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Shane Black's 'Predator' Sequel Will "Reinvent the Franchise", Says Producer John Davis
Quote from: ace3g on Aug 14, 2015, 02:05:12 AM
http://collider.com/predator-sequel-shane-black-movie-will-reinvent-the-franchise/
Shane Black's 'Predator' Sequel Will "Reinvent the Franchise", Says Producer John Davis
Sounds familiar.
Excellent. I hope this extends to no overt homages whilst I didn't think they were as bad or frequent as often claimed in Predators, it was still annoying. I'd be really interested in a fresh take on the series.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what he comes up with for this.
Maybe the movie will be from the perspective of the Predator?
Quote from: Sheafer11 on Aug 14, 2015, 10:33:09 AM
Maybe the movie will be from the perspective of the Predator?
I don't think you'd ever get anything like that in a main stream film. That's said I'd love to see it an animated short or something like that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2015, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: Sheafer11 on Aug 14, 2015, 10:33:09 AM
Maybe the movie will be from the perspective of the Predator?
I don't think you'd ever get anything like that in a main stream film. That's said I'd love to see it an animated short or something like that.
That would be perfect, Hicks. An animated short is something that could work for a Predator POV. Make it as violent as the Turok Son of Stone cartoon.
I am excited for this new movie.
Quote from: Sheafer11 on Aug 14, 2015, 10:33:09 AM
Maybe the movie will be from the perspective of the Predator?
Less is more.
Also, a film shot entirely in thermal imaging wouldn't be the best viewing experience... Even a lot of the action scenes we've seen shots of from that perspective were very unclear.
Present day, ultra gritty/realistic, war torn Middle East setting.
I'd love for it to go to unexpected places that we haven't seen in the films. I don't want it to be a glossy update of the ol' group of bad ass soldiers getting widdled down to just one. I think I'd rather see a war with these things at this point. Tactical urban warfare with a Predators.
I've day dreamed the "Predator Home World" plot a million times over and have mused about them for years on these boards. Space Arena battles, Predator culture, women/children, other species of aliens and their roles. I don't think we'll be seeing any of that.
I think if they manage to class it up a bit and make it really scary and intriguing again I'd be happy.
"reinvent the franchise"
- Great, so we can expect a 'Prometheus' of the 'Predator' franchise. Reinventing classic flms, that's always a good idea. -_-
This doesn't bode well....
I don't want a jungle setting again. We already did that with Predators and that movie is still recent.
£20 says the Predator will be revealed to be an out of work, drug addicted English theatre luvvie at the start of the third reel.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Aug 14, 2015, 03:54:21 PM
Present day, ultra gritty/realistic, war torn Middle East setting.
I'd love for it to go to unexpected places that we haven't seen in the films. I don't want it to be a glossy update of the ol' group of bad ass soldiers getting widdled down to just one. I think I'd rather see a war with these things at this point. Tactical urban warfare with a Predators.
I wouldn't mind seeing this. Something familiar but refreshing.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller
I've day dreamed the "Predator Home World" plot a million times over and have mused about them for years on these boards. Space Arena battles, Predator culture, women/children, other species of aliens and their roles. I don't think we'll be seeing any of that.
Why do people want THIS? I really don't want that for a Predator movie and this just screams bad idea to me. PREDATORS was almost this concept but thank God it wasn't. I don't want a film like this. If you ask me that would kill the franchise if it's not dead already.
I don't trust anything John Davis say's. However, I am curious as to what Shane comes up with.
1715. Caribbean.
It'd be like PREDATOR meets BLACK SAILS.
Would a movie set in the past make it.. I don't know, a prequel? I would think that a movie set in the past wouldn't warrant the title of a sequel. But.. that could change, so.. we will see.
I'd only call it a prequel if the events in it specifically led into the originals. Personally I'd really dig something a bit braver like a Predator film set in the past. Whether it's World War 1 or 2, or Victorian England or pirates. Something original would be perfect.
If it's made after the previous film, but set in the past, then yes, it's a prequel. Sequels don't have to link directly to previous characters or events. Same principle.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
Personally I'd really dig something a bit braver like a Predator film set in the past. Whether it's World War 1 or 2, or Victorian England or pirates. Something original would be perfect.
I would be alright with this. Dark Ages did this very well while keeping true to the films, specifically Predator, Predator 2 and the AVP films. I would like to see a Predator film set in feudal Japan or medieval Norway.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 14, 2015, 06:03:34 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller
I've day dreamed the "Predator Home World" plot a million times over and have mused about them for years on these boards. Space Arena battles, Predator culture, women/children, other species of aliens and their roles. I don't think we'll be seeing any of that.
Why do people want THIS? I really don't want that for a Predator movie and this just screams bad idea to me. PREDATORS was almost this concept but thank God it wasn't. I don't want a film like this. If you ask me that would kill the franchise if it's not dead already.
It's just one direction it could go in. The huge Avatar budget version. But obviously Predator was never that type of blockbuster to warrant such a sequel. And too many other films have hit these marks (with varying levels of success and failures) I'd rather see something smaller scale.
Fishburne's character should have been Dutch in Predators. That would have been a nice surprise. So I'm not looking for Arnold to show up in this either. Start fresh.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 14, 2015, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 14, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
Personally I'd really dig something a bit braver like a Predator film set in the past. Whether it's World War 1 or 2, or Victorian England or pirates. Something original would be perfect.
I would be alright with this. Dark Ages did this very well while keeping true to the films, specifically Predator, Predator 2 and the AVP films. I would like to see a Predator film set in feudal Japan or medieval Norway.
I dig all this ... but I think the Predator would basically have to hang up his guns to make anything before automatic weapons be a challenge. I feel like they are already coming to earth in present day with the crudest of their weapons. I personally think it should go forward in time. More sophisticated tech and weaponry. I'd like to see the Predator take a step forward in his tricks and tactics not a step back. (But the imagery of it being set in the past is very compelling.)
I want to see Predator 4 bring back all the Ultimate badass Soldiers! Major Alan Dutch Shaefer! Lt Micheal R Harrigan! and Black Ops Mercenary Royce!! and maybe the 4th film will introduce us to a 4th badass to go down in the Predator series as the Ultimate badass 4 guys! That would really make the Predator series more special! Everytime I hear a helicopter in the sky wirring above 500 ft high with those propellers sounds just like the Predator movies I get the chills!!!! Thinking about the 3 badasses that we got so far! hoping they will join together against the Predators in the ultimate Predator film!!!! :DDDDD
A couple of ideas they could use (just theories, nothing more ;D)
1). Predator in a different time period --- This has endless possibilities. WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, etc. But not sure how this would fit into it being a sequel unless they do it in the present. Iraq War, perhaps? Maybe too risky.
2). Predator hunting/chasing Dutch? --- This would be more in line with the film being a direct sequel. A few of these types of ideas where created back when Predator 2 was being made, of course. If I remember correctly, one of the more popular choices was the idea that a Predator would arrive to track down Dutch during a blizzard in NY.
3). Predator being experimented on, things go wrong. --- These types of stories have worked recently. Example: Ex Machina, Godzilla & Jurassic World. Could be a dumb idea, yes, but if done right it could be an interesting take on the Predator. Would be a flipped scenario, if you think about it. Instead of humans not knowing what they are dealing with, they now know exactly what they are dealing with and despite that, they suffer the consequences.
Anyone have any other ideas? Thoughts?
Would be awesome to see a film on the Predators perspective I have read mostly all the Predator comics and the covers were really cool how some showed the Predator captured and locked up but you only see his face through a glass square window. Some might say that might take the fear away from the creatures showing the movie in his perspective but honestly I don't think it does at all. I think it would be pretty cool to see a movie on his POV. That's just me though
I am quite a bit apprehensive regarding this movie and where it's gonna go. Naturally I am holding my outlook on it in a neutral spectrum because I don't know anything but I don't wanna get my hopes up. We all know that Shane had an uncredited writing hand on the first movie and that makes me feel a bit hopeful but what keeps me on edge is the guy he chose to do the script.
I liked Fred Dekker and some of his works like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but you'd think I would be happy right? Well.. a red flag regarding Dekker is one that's got me worried is a movie Dekker never recovered from, and that's Robocop 3. For me, that movie is too hard to ignore because it killed his directorial career.
I hope my apprehension is proven wrong with this movie. I want something I can enjoy.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 14, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
I am quite a bit apprehensive regarding this movie and where it's gonna go. Naturally I am holding my outlook on it in a neutral spectrum because I don't know anything but I don't wanna get my hopes up. We all know that Shane had an uncredited writing hand on the first movie and that makes me feel a bit hopeful but what keeps me on edge is the guy he chose to do the script.
I liked Fred Dekker and some of his works like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but you'd think I would be happy right? Well.. a red flag regarding Dekker is one that's got me worried is a movie Dekker never recovered from, and that's Robocop 3. For me, that movie is too hard to ignore because it killed his directorial career.
I hope my apprehension is proven wrong with this movie. I want something I can enjoy.
Don't we all? :)
Honestly, IMO, Predator 4 (which I would hope it is not titled officially) should start following the freaking comic story arcs. There are so many awesome stories to pick from which only actual fans know about. I feel like we got a good taste of Predator in the past from Dark Ages, which was phenomenal. I don't believe we must go down that path or similar to make a good movie.
What really concerns me is the idea that people seem to have this "been here, done that" attitude towards films. As if film makers must constantly change various elements to "freshen it up" when people seem to keep returning to the original films to enjoy over and over again! If people love the original so much, why do people insist that we need to do something different to the point where directors/producers deviate so far out that people end up disliking their work or flat out hating it?
As for Pred 4, further develop the Yautja as a species. Introduce new weaponry, new tactics, but keep the original ones and original tactics present too (cloak, mimicry, wrist blades). Show us the difference between a controlled hunt and all-out war. Have a massive battle with the Predators and US Military. Use the post-war recovery as the reason for ramping up space exploration/terraforming efforts (do something with the Yutani name finally) as an effort to preserve humanity by spreading the population out as well as the reason for creating the Colonial Marines...
The two franchises are forever intertwined so might as well make it interesting.
You bring up some good points PRJ, ones I wish I had a computer and Internet to better address and respond to in a follow up post. Using my smartphone is just not good enough.
@RakaiThwei -Ohh! You are apprehensive regarding this movie, are you? Well, I will get right to work and contact the people behind it, and pass along your sentiments. Perhaps they will nix the project because you are apprehensive about it. Here's an idea: if it actually comes to fruition, you can remain apprehensive and stay home, or just pretend it was never made.
Quote from: Mesus on Aug 15, 2015, 06:47:15 AM
@RakaiThwei -Ohh! You are apprehensive regarding this movie, are you? Well, I will get right to work and contact the people behind it, and pass along your sentiments. Perhaps they will nix the project because you are apprehensive about it. Here's an idea: if it actually comes to fruition, you can remain apprehensive and stay home, or just pretend it was never made.
Civility, please, Mesus. You might not be a member of the forums, but that's no excuse not to treat those who are with some respect.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 14, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
I am quite a bit apprehensive regarding this movie and where it's gonna go. Naturally I am holding my outlook on it in a neutral spectrum because I don't know anything but I don't wanna get my hopes up. We all know that Shane had an uncredited writing hand on the first movie and that makes me feel a bit hopeful but what keeps me on edge is the guy he chose to do the script.
I liked Fred Dekker and some of his works like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but you'd think I would be happy right? Well.. a red flag regarding Dekker is one that's got me worried is a movie Dekker never recovered from, and that's Robocop 3. For me, that movie is too hard to ignore because it killed his directorial career.
I hope my apprehension is proven wrong with this movie. I want something I can enjoy.
Don't we all? :)
Honestly, IMO, Predator 4 (which I would hope it is not titled officially) should start following the freaking comic story arcs. There are so many awesome stories to pick from which only actual fans know about. I feel like we got a good taste of Predator in the past from Dark Ages, which was phenomenal. I don't believe we must go down that path or similar to make a good movie.
What really concerns me is the idea that people seem to have this "been here, done that" attitude towards films. As if film makers must constantly change various elements to "freshen it up" when people seem to keep returning to the original films to enjoy over and over again! If people love the original so much, why do people insist that we need to do something different to the point where directors/producers deviate so far out that people end up disliking their work or flat out hating it?
As for Pred 4, further develop the Yautja as a species. Introduce new weaponry, new tactics, but keep the original ones and original tactics present too (cloak, mimicry, wrist blades). Show us the difference between a controlled hunt and all-out war. Have a massive battle with the Predators and US Military. Use the post-war recovery as the reason for ramping up space exploration/terraforming efforts (do something with the Yutani name finally) as an effort to preserve humanity by spreading the population out as well as the reason for creating the Colonial Marines...
The two franchises are forever intertwined so might as well make it interesting.
I love the idea of controlled hunt vs all out war. Personally I would like to see some elements from the concrete jungle novel. Maybe a quick battle between NYPD and preds. Perhaps in the struggle a few preds are wounded and captured before they can activate their wrist nuke. The remaining preds leave unaware their comrades had been captured. When they learn of this travesty they return with more advanced and more powerful weaponry. Determined to gain their tech back before it is reverse engineered to humans advantage.
At this point maybe we would see a different type of predator. Soldier based. Not something that looks different. What I mean by this is one that acts differently. He doesn't carry himself like any other pred we've seen. Not stealthy and silent but Something more aggressive and determined. Something that doesn't distinguish between armed and unarmed. It's sole purpose is destruction. Not a black super predator but perhaps more armor and heavy weapons but never cloaks. A predator that is so pumped up on adrenaline that he's batshit crazy with blood lust. And he has full auto plasma casters and plasma based tactical mini nukes.
Once the tech is recovered they decide they want to teach our race a lesson and unleash full scale war on the planet. Killing millions and pretty much decimating our military forces. Then they leave thinking all was done, completely unaware that we had managed to aquire several pieces of tech during the battle and hide it. The tech is the reverse engineered while the world is in a rebuild phase. THEN comes the world's first plasma phased pulse rifles and plasma based weapons. Other tech would include ftl travel and cloaking devices. The Colonial Maries are then created.
Sorry so long. I get to thinking about the possibilities then I get all excited....[emoji16]
Quote from: pred169 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 14, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
I am quite a bit apprehensive regarding this movie and where it's gonna go. Naturally I am holding my outlook on it in a neutral spectrum because I don't know anything but I don't wanna get my hopes up. We all know that Shane had an uncredited writing hand on the first movie and that makes me feel a bit hopeful but what keeps me on edge is the guy he chose to do the script.
I liked Fred Dekker and some of his works like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but you'd think I would be happy right? Well.. a red flag regarding Dekker is one that's got me worried is a movie Dekker never recovered from, and that's Robocop 3. For me, that movie is too hard to ignore because it killed his directorial career.
I hope my apprehension is proven wrong with this movie. I want something I can enjoy.
Don't we all? :)
Honestly, IMO, Predator 4 (which I would hope it is not titled officially) should start following the freaking comic story arcs. There are so many awesome stories to pick from which only actual fans know about. I feel like we got a good taste of Predator in the past from Dark Ages, which was phenomenal. I don't believe we must go down that path or similar to make a good movie.
What really concerns me is the idea that people seem to have this "been here, done that" attitude towards films. As if film makers must constantly change various elements to "freshen it up" when people seem to keep returning to the original films to enjoy over and over again! If people love the original so much, why do people insist that we need to do something different to the point where directors/producers deviate so far out that people end up disliking their work or flat out hating it?
As for Pred 4, further develop the Yautja as a species. Introduce new weaponry, new tactics, but keep the original ones and original tactics present too (cloak, mimicry, wrist blades). Show us the difference between a controlled hunt and all-out war. Have a massive battle with the Predators and US Military. Use the post-war recovery as the reason for ramping up space exploration/terraforming efforts (do something with the Yutani name finally) as an effort to preserve humanity by spreading the population out as well as the reason for creating the Colonial Marines...
The two franchises are forever intertwined so might as well make it interesting.
I love the idea of controlled hunt vs all out war. Personally I would like to see some elements from the concrete jungle novel. Maybe a quick battle between NYPD and preds. Perhaps in the struggle a few preds are wounded and captured before they can activate their wrist nuke. The remaining preds leave unaware their comrades had been captured. When they learn of this travesty they return with more advanced and more powerful weaponry. Determined to gain their tech back before it is reverse engineered to humans advantage.
At this point maybe we would see a different type of predator. Soldier based. Not something that looks different. What I mean by this is one that acts differently. He doesn't carry himself like any other pred we've seen. Not stealthy and silent but Something more aggressive and determined. Something that doesn't distinguish between armed and unarmed. It's sole purpose is destruction. Not a black super predator but perhaps more armor and heavy weapons but never cloaks. A predator that is so pumped up on adrenaline that he's batshit crazy with blood lust. And he has full auto plasma casters and plasma based tactical mini nukes.
Once the tech is recovered they decide they want to teach our race a lesson and unleash full scale war on the planet. Killing millions and pretty much decimating our military forces. Then they leave thinking all was done, completely unaware that we had managed to aquire several pieces of tech during the battle and hide it. The tech is the reverse engineered while the world is in a rebuild phase. THEN comes the world's first plasma phased pulse rifles and plasma based weapons. Other tech would include ftl travel and cloaking devices. The Colonial Maries are then created.
Sorry so long. I get to thinking about the possibilities then I get all excited....[emoji16]
For a moment, I almost disagreed, thinking that this would make the Predators just "another invading alien", but when you said "and then they leave", that actually makes sense.
It sounds like something Predators would do if they feel insulted enough. These are the galaxy's saltiest babies afterall, desecrate their rules enough and they will send the very sky crashing down on you and then leave.
No conquering, no enslaving, just leave you with your defeat and shattered pride.
Thinking about it like that, it could work, but for a movie, it would have to be executed carefully. But it'd bring something new as currently, Predators are stuck in a constant cycle of endless hunts which I don't mind, yet seeing something new doesn't seem bad.
We might see some more of their war tactics in the Rage War novels.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 15, 2015, 03:35:26 PM
Quote from: pred169 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 14, 2015, 11:26:03 PM
I am quite a bit apprehensive regarding this movie and where it's gonna go. Naturally I am holding my outlook on it in a neutral spectrum because I don't know anything but I don't wanna get my hopes up. We all know that Shane had an uncredited writing hand on the first movie and that makes me feel a bit hopeful but what keeps me on edge is the guy he chose to do the script.
I liked Fred Dekker and some of his works like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but you'd think I would be happy right? Well.. a red flag regarding Dekker is one that's got me worried is a movie Dekker never recovered from, and that's Robocop 3. For me, that movie is too hard to ignore because it killed his directorial career.
I hope my apprehension is proven wrong with this movie. I want something I can enjoy.
Don't we all? :)
Honestly, IMO, Predator 4 (which I would hope it is not titled officially) should start following the freaking comic story arcs. There are so many awesome stories to pick from which only actual fans know about. I feel like we got a good taste of Predator in the past from Dark Ages, which was phenomenal. I don't believe we must go down that path or similar to make a good movie.
What really concerns me is the idea that people seem to have this "been here, done that" attitude towards films. As if film makers must constantly change various elements to "freshen it up" when people seem to keep returning to the original films to enjoy over and over again! If people love the original so much, why do people insist that we need to do something different to the point where directors/producers deviate so far out that people end up disliking their work or flat out hating it?
As for Pred 4, further develop the Yautja as a species. Introduce new weaponry, new tactics, but keep the original ones and original tactics present too (cloak, mimicry, wrist blades). Show us the difference between a controlled hunt and all-out war. Have a massive battle with the Predators and US Military. Use the post-war recovery as the reason for ramping up space exploration/terraforming efforts (do something with the Yutani name finally) as an effort to preserve humanity by spreading the population out as well as the reason for creating the Colonial Marines...
The two franchises are forever intertwined so might as well make it interesting.
I love the idea of controlled hunt vs all out war. Personally I would like to see some elements from the concrete jungle novel. Maybe a quick battle between NYPD and preds. Perhaps in the struggle a few preds are wounded and captured before they can activate their wrist nuke. The remaining preds leave unaware their comrades had been captured. When they learn of this travesty they return with more advanced and more powerful weaponry. Determined to gain their tech back before it is reverse engineered to humans advantage.
At this point maybe we would see a different type of predator. Soldier based. Not something that looks different. What I mean by this is one that acts differently. He doesn't carry himself like any other pred we've seen. Not stealthy and silent but Something more aggressive and determined. Something that doesn't distinguish between armed and unarmed. It's sole purpose is destruction. Not a black super predator but perhaps more armor and heavy weapons but never cloaks. A predator that is so pumped up on adrenaline that he's batshit crazy with blood lust. And he has full auto plasma casters and plasma based tactical mini nukes.
Once the tech is recovered they decide they want to teach our race a lesson and unleash full scale war on the planet. Killing millions and pretty much decimating our military forces. Then they leave thinking all was done, completely unaware that we had managed to aquire several pieces of tech during the battle and hide it. The tech is the reverse engineered while the world is in a rebuild phase. THEN comes the world's first plasma phased pulse rifles and plasma based weapons. Other tech would include ftl travel and cloaking devices. The Colonial Maries are then created.
Sorry so long. I get to thinking about the possibilities then I get all excited....[emoji16]
For a moment, I almost disagreed, thinking that this would make the Predators just "another invading alien", but when you said "and then they leave", that actually makes sense.
It sounds like something Predators would do if they feel insulted enough. These are the galaxy's saltiest babies afterall, desecrate their rules enough and they will send the very sky crashing down on you and then leave.
No conquering, no enslaving, just leave you with your defeat and shattered pride.
Thinking about it like that, it could work, but for a movie, it would have to be executed carefully. But it'd bring something new as currently, Predators are stuck in a constant cycle of endless hunts which I don't mind, yet seeing something new doesn't seem bad.
We might see some more of their war tactics in the Rage War novels.
I agree. It would definitely have to be done very carefully. I also feel it would be best displayed if broken into at least 2 parts. If not a trilogy, definitely a duet. I feel like if it were done in one film there would be so much crammed in that when it was over, the audience couldn't really enjoy it and would feel a bit overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time. Personally I would do it in three parts.
The first part as the original fight and flee. I would end it on a high note with the preds in orbit realizing some of their comrades were captured and turning mid orbit while arming themselves heavily. Or someone catching a fleet of ships on a radar screen inbound at a high rate of speed opening fire at our satellite and radar arrays. Or maybe with a close up of a ship landing and a group of heavily armored soldier preds coming out on foot and with some type of heavy assault vehicles.
The second would be the all out war and decimation of mankind and our military forces. It would end with the ships leaving and a global alliance group of scientists displayed working in an underground bunker. Everyone focusing on what they're doing and then you see a predator wrist bracer or plasma caster. Then the camera pans away. As it pans you pass by several computer monitors just slow enough to glimpse blueprints of several prototype weapons and a schematic for an ftl drive engine. The camera keeps going until it enters another room filled with several people standing looking at a prototype exosuit as it fires the first plasma based human weapon. Camera pans to a 4 star general with a scarred face who smirks. Role credits.
The third film would start with narration from the general explaining what has happened. With flashbacks from the other 2 films. Then the camera would jump screen to a military testing facility still being built. Credits would come up and identity the name of the facility and x amount of years later. Cut scene to system launch checklist. As an engine fires up the camera zooms out. You see a few craft flying that look like early iterations on the dropship. You see powerloader versions of the exosuit moving crates. And then the camera speeds up the zoom out and you finally see it.... the first Conestoga class ship. From that point the film should focus on marines and prepping a crew for travel to another planet they believe is the predator home world (Which it turns out not to be). The ship and crew heads out and gets to the planet and confronts a clan. Only to find its just a game preserve. Another clan sees the attack and fires on the vessel disabling the ftl drive. Stranded on this distant planet they radio back requesting help knowing their fate is sealed. Cut scene to empty space with the transmission being played in the background. Then a spacestation being built comes into view. Dozens of dropships and smaller craft fly around working and welding. Then you see several other Conestoga class ships docked and others undocking. The camera cut scenes to a control room as an officer tells another man in a lab coat "you have a transmission from corporate." You then see him hang his coat in a hall and enter a small computer room. Then the man walks in and sits down initiating a computer. The screen lights up with the message "science officer eyes only". The man is obscured and out of focus. Then as the camera focuses he speaks as you see him for the first time. (Ash) "what's the story mother." Screen goes blank.
Credits start with opening score from alien.
Now I know alot of people don't want another cross between the series. I'm not saying the series has to cross necessarily. But I would like to use these events as a precursor for HOW wey-yu came to be in possession of such advanced technology. Nothing more. I just felt ash would make a nice Easter egg in the film. All while paying homage to another great series.
Again this is only how I personally would do it.
I loved Predators 2010 just an amazing movie. So suspenseful keeping the monsters in the shadows while still showing them a lot of the time. Mama zing acting by all the cast members that lets you study them. I think Nimrod and Robert even said the cast and acting is so good that you can make a movie around each characters alone. This film is just so awsome. You have a badass R-rating. Just incredible I can praise this movie all day. I love how the title has a double meaning Predators vs Predators to the point you forget there is creatures in the movie that the human Predators then have to go up against the alien Predators. Rating for Predators would be a 20/10. Off the charts. I would of loved to see that Noland Prequel we almost got green lot back in 2010. In fact it was green light by the studio at one point Robert pointed out but something happend that it never got started. But I still look very forward to the new story in Predator 4!!!! :D One of my favorite badass shots from Predators is when the team is at Noland hideout and Royce puts a red flare to escape and they knock the door down the Preds have been banging on by toying with them and there all getting out slowly and equipped and posed in a badass defense mode in the red lighting mist getting ready to fight the Predators! It's so cool because these Human Predators show there fear against these stronger Predators but they know they must work together to survive. This is a tension filled battle that started in the beginning of the film! I love this movie so much!
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Don't we all? :)
Honestly, IMO, Predator 4 (which I would hope it is not titled officially) should start following the freaking comic story arcs. There are so many awesome stories to pick from which only actual fans know about. I feel like we got a good taste of Predator in the past from Dark Ages, which was phenomenal. I don't believe we must go down that path or similar to make a good movie.
What really concerns me is the idea that people seem to have this "been here, done that" attitude towards films. As if film makers must constantly change various elements to "freshen it up" when people seem to keep returning to the original films to enjoy over and over again! If people love the original so much, why do people insist that we need to do something different to the point where directors/producers deviate so far out that people end up disliking their work or flat out hating it?
As for Pred 4, further develop the Yautja as a species. Introduce new weaponry, new tactics, but keep the original ones and original tactics present too (cloak, mimicry, wrist blades). Show us the difference between a controlled hunt and all-out war. Have a massive battle with the Predators and US Military.
I was reading until this point... I hope this never ever happens.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Don't we all? :)
Honestly, IMO, Predator 4 (which I would hope it is not titled officially) should start following the freaking comic story arcs. There are so many awesome stories to pick from which only actual fans know about. I feel like we got a good taste of Predator in the past from Dark Ages, which was phenomenal. I don't believe we must go down that path or similar to make a good movie.
What really concerns me is the idea that people seem to have this "been here, done that" attitude towards films. As if film makers must constantly change various elements to "freshen it up" when people seem to keep returning to the original films to enjoy over and over again! If people love the original so much, why do people insist that we need to do something different to the point where directors/producers deviate so far out that people end up disliking their work or flat out hating it?
As for Pred 4, further develop the Yautja as a species. Introduce new weaponry, new tactics, but keep the original ones and original tactics present too (cloak, mimicry, wrist blades). Show us the difference between a controlled hunt and all-out war. Have a massive battle with the Predators and US Military.
I was reading until this point... I hope this never ever happens.
What stopped you from reading at this post?
Why does it have to be the U.S Military? And further reading the original poster's post:
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Use the post-war recovery as the reason for ramping up space exploration/terraforming efforts (do something with the Yutani name finally) as an effort to preserve humanity by spreading the population out as well as the reason for creating the Colonial Marines...
We already had the alien skull in Predator 2. Does the franchise have to take it a step further and meddle with James Cameron's work too?
QuoteThe two franchises are forever intertwined so might as well make it interesting.
But they shouldn't be. Predator has been leaning on the Alien franchise like a crutch on often occasions; it really disdains the franchise. Almost as if it can't be rich of it's own back-story.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 02:01:53 PM
Why does it have to be the U.S Military? And further reading the original poster's post:
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Aug 15, 2015, 02:34:19 AM
Use the post-war recovery as the reason for ramping up space exploration/terraforming efforts (do something with the Yutani name finally) as an effort to preserve humanity by spreading the population out as well as the reason for creating the Colonial Marines...
We already had the alien skull in Predator 2. Does the franchise have to take it a step further and meddle with James Cameron's work too?
QuoteThe two franchises are forever intertwined so might as well make it interesting.
But they shouldn't be. Predator has been leaning on the Alien franchise like a crutch on often occasions; it really disdains the franchise. Almost as if it can't be rich of it's own back-story.
First I don't see where adding in the Yutani corporation or the colonial marines impedes or meddles with Cameron's work. Do you also complain about it when various authors combine these elements in comics or novels? It's not meddling. Truth be told if it were my work and someone wanted to use it and tie it into another franchise such as the predator series I would be flattered. Noone said they would alter his work and drag it through the dirt. The person who posted it was simply saying AFTER a war with humans and predators use the events to EXPLAIN the ramp up for space exploration and space travel as well as terraforming. The idea of spreading people out across the galaxy to preserve our race is a very realistic thought. And if the catalyst for exploration was an invasion and war with another race then yeah....your gonna want to create an army capable of supporting all colonies and traveling to said colonies. The Yutani name was used and the colonial Maries title was used. Doesn't mean it has to be the colonial marines as you know them from Cameron's work. Possibly a precursor to that entity.
Second the series has had 2 intertwinings thus far. I would in no way say the predator franchise has been using the alien franchise as a crutch. There was a 5 second shot of an alien skull in predator 2.... big deal. There was no reference to aliens or wey-yu or anything else in any other standalone predator film. So saying the franchise isn't rich in back story is a bit ridiculous. The AVP series intertwined two franchises and pretty well failed. I'll agree to that. But it wasn't the idea that failed it was poor directing and lack of storyline. It was more like mortal kombat. Two opponents get thrown into a ring "fight". The film goes on like this for another hour then the boss battle happens... finish him.... Role credits.
That being said I feel if it were done carefully and given proper direction it could work. The series has been intertwined in novels and comics and has done well so it "can" be done.
Meddling with Cameron's work was me dramatizing my point.
Using the comics as a reflection on what could possibly be done on screen is not a good idea. I should know; I read all of them. And I could safely say, most of them will not pull through as a movie adaptation. Intertwining a concept from the Alien universe into the Predator universe is a bad idea and is surely going to upset a lot of fans from both franchises.
Granted in terms of film, it is only the alien skull in Predator 2 that intertwines them. But from AvP2004 onward the Predator franchise only saw one standalone game which was Predator Concrete Jungle and it had a stage with aliens in it. :laugh:
Alien is just breaking through with it's independence and I think it is time that Predator does so as well.
So I am not in agreement with the opinion that:
That predators fight a war with the U.S military; the military loses or wins and the world becomes the Alien universe.
I'm sorry if it offends you but I just hate it... :(
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
Meddling with Cameron's work was me dramatizing my point.
Using the comics as a reflection on what could possibly be done on screen is not a good idea. I should know; I read all of them. And I could safely say, most of them will not pull through as a movie adaptation. Intertwining a concept from the Alien universe into the Predator universe is a bad idea and is surely going to upset a lot of fans from both franchises.
Granted in terms of film, it is only the alien skull in Predator 2 that intertwines them. But from AvP2004 onward the Predator franchise only saw one standalone game which was Predator Concrete Jungle and it had a stage with aliens in it. [emoji23]
Alien is just breaking through with it's independence and I think it is time that Predator does so as well.
So I am not in agreement with the opinion that:
That predators fight a war with the U.S military; the military loses or wins and the world becomes the Alien universe.
I'm sorry if it offends you but I just hate it... :(
No offense taken at all. I just enjoy a good debate and seeing other points of view. I was simply stating that the original poster's idea wasn't too far fetched and didn't necessarily meddle with Cameron's work. I agree the comic adaptation may not work. I was more referring to the comics about the war aspect in general. But I do feel like the events from the concrete jungle novel could work as a good staging point for a full scale invasion. And as far as intertwining wey-yu.... I think an Easter egg such as a weyland yutani merger would be great. Referring to the concrete jungle game I actually liked the post credit scene involving said merger and the original mother prototype. Not sure if I would go so far into the franchise to explain mother but the merger would be a nice touch. Maybe have yutani corporation creating the FTL drives and the vessels and weyland industries providing the armament and cryogenics chambers. Just a couple of ideas.
Quote from: pred169 on Aug 16, 2015, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
Meddling with Cameron's work was me dramatizing my point.
Using the comics as a reflection on what could possibly be done on screen is not a good idea. I should know; I read all of them. And I could safely say, most of them will not pull through as a movie adaptation. Intertwining a concept from the Alien universe into the Predator universe is a bad idea and is surely going to upset a lot of fans from both franchises.
Granted in terms of film, it is only the alien skull in Predator 2 that intertwines them. But from AvP2004 onward the Predator franchise only saw one standalone game which was Predator Concrete Jungle and it had a stage with aliens in it. [emoji23]
Alien is just breaking through with it's independence and I think it is time that Predator does so as well.
So I am not in agreement with the opinion that:
That predators fight a war with the U.S military; the military loses or wins and the world becomes the Alien universe.
I'm sorry if it offends you but I just hate it... :(
No offense taken at all. I just enjoy a good debate and seeing other points of view. I was simply stating that the original poster's idea wasn't too far fetched and didn't necessarily meddle with Cameron's work. I agree the comic adaptation may not work. I was more referring to the comics about the war aspect in general. But I do feel like the events from the concrete jungle novel could work as a good staging point for a full scale invasion. And as far as intertwining wey-yu.... I think an Easter egg such as a weyland yutani merger would be great. Referring to the concrete jungle game I actually liked the post credit scene involving said merger and the original mother prototype. Not sure if I would go so far into the franchise to explain mother but the merger would be a nice touch. Maybe have yutani corporation creating the FTL drives and the vessels and weyland industries providing the armament and cryogenics chambers. Just a couple of ideas.
I accept the idea. :)
If I were to perhaps throw in an idea.
What if we dedicate a segment to the rituals performed by the predators? Two warring clans pick a hunter to represent each other and have them fight to the death for the right of a special hunt. The setting would take place in Africa seeing as there is a type of relevance to the cultures found in certain countries in the contenent which would be further elaborated within the film. The losing clan is sour about the loss and sends one of their own to kill the hunter. The hunter finds out and tries to alert it's clan while trying to kill it's assailant. The protagonist attempts to track down and kill the both of them. Eventually the hunter's clan is informed and it begins to send out a request to any arbitrary clan within the area and the climax is a space battle between the rogue clan and the hunter's clan including arbitrators.
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 05:21:13 PM
Quote from: pred169 on Aug 16, 2015, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
Meddling with Cameron's work was me dramatizing my point.
Using the comics as a reflection on what could possibly be done on screen is not a good idea. I should know; I read all of them. And I could safely say, most of them will not pull through as a movie adaptation. Intertwining a concept from the Alien universe into the Predator universe is a bad idea and is surely going to upset a lot of fans from both franchises.
Granted in terms of film, it is only the alien skull in Predator 2 that intertwines them. But from AvP2004 onward the Predator franchise only saw one standalone game which was Predator Concrete Jungle and it had a stage with aliens in it. [emoji23]
Alien is just breaking through with it's independence and I think it is time that Predator does so as well.
So I am not in agreement with the opinion that:
That predators fight a war with the U.S military; the military loses or wins and the world becomes the Alien universe.
I'm sorry if it offends you but I just hate it... :(
No offense taken at all. I just enjoy a good debate and seeing other points of view. I was simply stating that the original poster's idea wasn't too far fetched and didn't necessarily meddle with Cameron's work. I agree the comic adaptation may not work. I was more referring to the comics about the war aspect in general. But I do feel like the events from the concrete jungle novel could work as a good staging point for a full scale invasion. And as far as intertwining wey-yu.... I think an Easter egg such as a weyland yutani merger would be great. Referring to the concrete jungle game I actually liked the post credit scene involving said merger and the original mother prototype. Not sure if I would go so far into the franchise to explain mother but the merger would be a nice touch. Maybe have yutani corporation creating the FTL drives and the vessels and weyland industries providing the armament and cryogenics chambers. Just a couple of ideas.
I accept the idea. :)
If I were to perhaps throw in an idea.
What if we dedicate a segment to the rituals performed by the predators? Two warring clans pick a hunter to represent each other and have them fight to the death for the right of a special hunt. The setting would take place in Africa seeing as there is a type of relevance to the cultures found in certain countries in the contenent which would be further elaborated within the film. The losing clan is sour about the loss and sends one of their own to kill the hunter. The hunter finds out and tries to alert it's clan while trying to kill it's assailant. The protagonist attempts to track down and kill the both of them. Eventually the hunter's clan is informed and it begins to send out a request to any arbitrary clan within the area and the climax is a space battle between the rogue clan and the hunter's clan including arbitrators.
I like the idea. Alot actually however I don't think it would work on film as there is little If any human presence in the film. If you were to throw in some type of military presence in the middle of the conflict..absolutely. I could see that being a realistic possibility for a film. I just feel like without some type of human presence no major studio will approve it. It was an act of Congress for brotherhood of the wolf to be aired in American theaters because the entire movie was done in french. That being said no major studio will do a film where you have to read subtitles or captions throughout the whole movie to know what's going on. But I do like the idea of two warring clans. Maybe instead of fighting for a particular hunt they are fighting to be the next high council. An elder clan is more or less retiring so to speak and the successor of the war wins the seat and becomes the new council of elders. Something to that effect.
Quote from: pred169 on Aug 16, 2015, 07:16:30 PM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 05:21:13 PM
Quote from: pred169 on Aug 16, 2015, 03:32:37 PM
Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 16, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
Meddling with Cameron's work was me dramatizing my point.
Using the comics as a reflection on what could possibly be done on screen is not a good idea. I should know; I read all of them. And I could safely say, most of them will not pull through as a movie adaptation. Intertwining a concept from the Alien universe into the Predator universe is a bad idea and is surely going to upset a lot of fans from both franchises.
Granted in terms of film, it is only the alien skull in Predator 2 that intertwines them. But from AvP2004 onward the Predator franchise only saw one standalone game which was Predator Concrete Jungle and it had a stage with aliens in it. [emoji23]
Alien is just breaking through with it's independence and I think it is time that Predator does so as well.
So I am not in agreement with the opinion that:
That predators fight a war with the U.S military; the military loses or wins and the world becomes the Alien universe.
I'm sorry if it offends you but I just hate it... :(
No offense taken at all. I just enjoy a good debate and seeing other points of view. I was simply stating that the original poster's idea wasn't too far fetched and didn't necessarily meddle with Cameron's work. I agree the comic adaptation may not work. I was more referring to the comics about the war aspect in general. But I do feel like the events from the concrete jungle novel could work as a good staging point for a full scale invasion. And as far as intertwining wey-yu.... I think an Easter egg such as a weyland yutani merger would be great. Referring to the concrete jungle game I actually liked the post credit scene involving said merger and the original mother prototype. Not sure if I would go so far into the franchise to explain mother but the merger would be a nice touch. Maybe have yutani corporation creating the FTL drives and the vessels and weyland industries providing the armament and cryogenics chambers. Just a couple of ideas.
I accept the idea. :)
If I were to perhaps throw in an idea.
What if we dedicate a segment to the rituals performed by the predators? Two warring clans pick a hunter to represent each other and have them fight to the death for the right of a special hunt. The setting would take place in Africa seeing as there is a type of relevance to the cultures found in certain countries in the contenent which would be further elaborated within the film. The losing clan is sour about the loss and sends one of their own to kill the hunter. The hunter finds out and tries to alert it's clan while trying to kill it's assailant. The protagonist attempts to track down and kill the both of them. Eventually the hunter's clan is informed and it begins to send out a request to any arbitrary clan within the area and the climax is a space battle between the rogue clan and the hunter's clan including arbitrators.
I like the idea. Alot actually however I don't think it would work on film as there is little If any human presence in the film. If you were to throw in some type of military presence in the middle of the conflict..absolutely. I could see that being a realistic possibility for a film. I just feel like without some type of human presence no major studio will approve it. It was an act of Congress for brotherhood of the wolf to be aired in American theaters because the entire movie was done in french. That being said no major studio will do a film where you have to read subtitles or captions throughout the whole movie to know what's going on. But I do like the idea of two warring clans. Maybe instead of fighting for a particular hunt they are fighting to be the next high council. An elder clan is more or less retiring so to speak and the successor of the war wins the seat and becomes the new council of elders. Something to that effect.
lol, well of course the human characters would have the most screen time and dynamic. I'm saying as a conflict that would be innovative yet not over the top. Having predators fight a war with humanity
will be the final nail in the franchise's coffin.
Wow, sorry, I sound like a real asshole. I'm not saying this because I have a general dislike to the idea due to personal preference. Read Predator (2009), this is the closest to predators fighting a war with the U.S military in the EU. The concept begins to get really messy once the conflict rises. This isn't the only time we see this. In Predator Concrete Jungle (comic) an invasion is carried out on New York. Once again, it becomes messy. It's just the idea, it contradicts the image of what is established already for Predator.
Well it seems that An Predator movie with the Predator view is finnaly arriving , its definitly an movie focus only in Predator , will be R rated and will bring only death and Yatuja History with small humans scenes and Predator lives in the end
The only way to do this thing is to bring Arnold back and have an "ultimate" type Pred, the best Pred they got hunt Arnold as a vegance mission.
Something along those lines. Arnie's holed up, moved on with life, paranoid still tho...de-commissioned, he starts finding "evidence" or "clues" that Pred may be after him, that a pred is stalking him...etc...so many cool things...
There is nothing I want to see "new" with the Predator series. Nothing "re-invented". You got 2 guys (Glover) that fought and survived a f-cking Predator and I'm sposed to just believe that the Pred's don't care...(not including Brody, anything after Pred 2 is worthless to the franchise and the story)
Anyways.
Woo-f-cking-Hoo...
so excited, NOT.
Yeah sure...
Quote from: Original Predator on Aug 17, 2015, 03:17:20 PM
The only way to do this thing is to bring Arnold back and have an "ultimate" type Pred, the best Pred they got hunt Arnold as a vegance mission.
Something along those lines. Arnie's holed up, moved on with life, paranoid still tho...de-commissioned, he starts finding "evidence" or "clues" that Pred may be after him, that a pred is stalking him...etc...so many cool things...
There is nothing I want to see "new" with the Predator series. Nothing "re-invented". You got 2 guys (Glover) that fought and survived a f-cking Predator and I'm sposed to just believe that the Pred's don't care...(not including Brody, anything after Pred 2 is worthless to the franchise and the story)
Anyways.
Woo-f-cking-Hoo...
so excited, NOT.
Yeah sure...
Don't you think the Predators would respect Dutch after surviving on his own and winning fair and square?
It doesn't seem in their character to go around looking for revenge, it's not personal. It was a game to them and that Predator lost.
I'd say the Predator would leave Dutch alive if he came across him in a crowd of people, even if he kills everyone else. Dutch earned his life in the eyes of Predators.
That scene at the end of 'Predator 2' tells us they don't give a shit if you manage to best one of them in combat. Just don't take their technology and try to blow the rest of them up.
If you kill one of them, it's not like their dad's going to come at you for it or whatever.
And if it was, why the f**k would they take so long getting their act in gear to do it?
They either don't know about Dutch (the most likeliest answer), have no way to locate him or just don't give a damn.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 17, 2015, 10:18:23 PM
That scene at the end of 'Predator 2' tells us they don't give a shit if you manage to best one of them in combat. Just don't take their technology and try to blow the rest of them up.
If you kill one of them, it's not like their dad's going to come at you for it or whatever.
And if it was, why the f**k would they take so long getting their act in gear to do it?
They either don't know about Dutch (the most likeliest answer), have no way to locate him or just don't give a damn.
After Predators we can see that they have more important things to be occupied with than looking for some human that bested only one of their own.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 17, 2015, 10:18:23 PMThey either don't know about Dutch (the most likeliest answer), have no way to locate him or just don't give a damn.
I quite like the idea that they
do know about Dutch, but the fact he fairly beat a Predator one-on-one earns him a degree of respect from the others and he's left alone.
I'd think that any who defeat a Predator are given interest as being better prey.
an idea would be a predator on the predator home world was too hell bent on killing and didn't follow the rules set by the elders. Resulting in him not getting his weapons and armour. So he kills the elder and makes a run for it.
Then the other predators are sent to hunt him down. But he picks them off one by one without their weapons and technology. Like he could do the mud trick and make spears out of trees and stuff.
So it's predator hunting down a crazy predator. People have been in enough movie. Why not make a predator movie with just the predators. And they won't have to hold back because they will be against the same skilled opponents.
I hope it's something like that. And leave those ANT faced predators out of it. And don't tie up the normal predator for the whole movie and then gets killed a minute after he gets down. That was an insult to all predator fans.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2015, 07:39:31 AM
I'd think that any who defeat a Predator are given interest as being better prey.
Kind of like a bounty. I like that and I think it plays off well given the kind of role the predator plays.
Quote from: Movie idea on Aug 18, 2015, 08:15:39 AM
People have been in enough movie. Why not make a predator movie with just the predators. And they won't have to hold back because they will be against the same skilled opponents.
>:(
I take back what I said previously.
This is the final nail in the Predator franchise's coffin.
I am not sure what we are getting from the different perspective angle but I really don't want to go to the Predator homeworld. We saw a glimpse of it in AvP-R if you count that. And the whole Predator only film angle, where there are no humans... might work for a fan film or animated short but that's it.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 17, 2015, 10:18:23 PM
That scene at the end of 'Predator 2' tells us they don't give a shit if you manage to best one of them in combat. Just don't take their technology and try to blow the rest of them up.
If you kill one of them, it's not like their dad's going to come at you for it or whatever.
And if it was, why the f**k would they take so long getting their act in gear to do it?
They either don't know about Dutch (the most likeliest answer), have no way to locate him or just don't give a damn.
This bit gave me a good chuckle. ;D
But it's certainly true, they have strict rules and acknowledge respect, but in the end, it's not something they get all worked out over.
Predators are really salty about their culture (how they got angry with humans simply treading on the sacred grounds in AvP2010) that's something a Predator would slaughter a whole squad of Colonial Marines over rather than going to avenge his little brother that lost to some random human on Earth.
I think some Predators know about Dutch and Harrigan, but really don't care. Plus hunting season may be over and it may take a 100 years for the next to start (since they aren't poachers), whose gonna go after a geriatric Arnie?
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992
I think some Predators know about Dutch and Harrigan, but really don't care. Plus hunting season may be over and it may take a 100 years for the next to start (since they aren't poachers), whose gonna go after a geriatric Arnie?
The novelization of Predator 2 mention that the Predators do know about Dutch as he was one of the few, or first to ever defeat a Predator. I never read the novel but it's wiki article on Xenopedia.
As for a Predator hunting an old, aged Dutch? I don't know.. but I most certainly wouldn't want to see that.
Arnie is looking damn good. Whilst I admit I haven't seen Genisys he looks like he can still handle the action.
If Arnie absolutely has to be in it he should be given a managerial role. I don't wanna see geriatric fisticuffs.
I'd prefer to see him in an advisor role if he has to be in it - but only so it can move away from his character.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 18, 2015, 08:42:00 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992
I think some Predators know about Dutch and Harrigan, but really don't care. Plus hunting season may be over and it may take a 100 years for the next to start (since they aren't poachers), whose gonna go after a geriatric Arnie?
The novelization of Predator 2 mention that the Predators do know about Dutch as he was one of the few, or first to ever defeat a Predator. I never read the novel but it's wiki article on Xenopedia.
As for a Predator hunting an old, aged Dutch? I don't know.. but I most certainly wouldn't want to see that.
Thanks for reminding me of that bit, Rakai. I guess Arnie is known in the sense that he is searchable on their databases. Since this is an entire race, I think some Predators may recognize Arnie, while others would be ignorant.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 19, 2015, 09:00:41 AM
Thanks for reminding me of that bit, Rakai. I guess Arnie is known in the sense that he is searchable on their databases. Since this is an entire race, I think some Predators may recognize Arnie, while others would be ignorant.
Mind you I don't consider the novelization of Predator 2 as canon, as there are some things which contradict the film but I would think that there is something going on with Predators being aware of losses happening on Earth. I would think that most Predators know that there have been losses on other world, but most.. just couldn't care less. It happens quite a lot, and it's expected for them to die on the hunt, really.
Unless you count PREDATORS into the formula, then Noland's words could apply, you know the whole: "Everytime we kill one of them, that's when they get REAL interested" may apply perhaps to the Super Predators. Not so sure about the normal Predators though but I just think they wouldn't care.
The Elder in Predator 2 more or less had some... acknowledgement of Harrigan's accomplishment, but the attitude was more like: "Hey, you won.. here's a cookie, now get the f**k off my ship."
Yeah, they'd have to have a 'they who live by the sword, die by the sword' mentality. They're the ones putting themselves in harm's way, after all.
The Elder in Predator 2 more or less had some... acknowledgement of Harrigan's accomplishment, but the attitude was more like: "Hey, you won.. here's a cookie, now get the f**k off my ship."
I literally fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard. [emoji23]
it is not clear that what will be the story line,as per last film predators,where it ends,lets find the way out of this planet,from this dialog this next movie can be start and run for it,same cast can be arrange,some twist can be put,instead of returning earth they are visiting the predators planet,and found some other things which can be amazed to viewers,...
In predator 2, at the end, dany glover gets a weapon as a gift where is writen 1715 on it. Why nobody directs a true predator 3 with this background. This weapon could be a good thing to bring the predator on a setting like pirates of caribean, where the predator hunts pirates and shipmens in a carribean setting.
That's exactly the kind of thing I'd love to see them be brave and do.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 19, 2015, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 19, 2015, 09:00:41 AM
Thanks for reminding me of that bit, Rakai. I guess Arnie is known in the sense that he is searchable on their databases. Since this is an entire race, I think some Predators may recognize Arnie, while others would be ignorant.
Mind you I don't consider the novelization of Predator 2 as canon, as there are some things which contradict the film but I would think that there is something going on with Predators being aware of losses happening on Earth. I would think that most Predators know that there have been losses on other world, but most.. just couldn't care less. It happens quite a lot, and it's expected for them to die on the hunt, really.
Unless you count PREDATORS into the formula, then Noland's words could apply, you know the whole: "Everytime we kill one of them, that's when they get REAL interested" may apply perhaps to the Super Predators. Not so sure about the normal Predators though but I just think they wouldn't care.
The Elder in Predator 2 more or less had some... acknowledgement of Harrigan's accomplishment, but the attitude was more like: "Hey, you won.. here's a cookie, now get the f**k off my ship."
Oh my gawd! Dude! If you want to read a movie novelization that's soooo wildly different than the movie it's supposed to be based on, you should check out the first predator novelization! I'm pretty sure it was written based solely on the original script and the writer probably never bothered to change it after seeing the actual movie. The predator itself, if I remember correctly was the weird reptilian beetle thing that was originally planned befor Stan Winston got involved, running around with a sword and had the ability to shape shift into birds and such for some reason... I have the book, and read snippets then stopped. It wasn't predator! It was weird! Only real similarities were the character names and the book's cover had arnie in the crosshairs on it...
That's the fun of reading novelizations! To see how things changed!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 24, 2015, 07:29:40 AM
That's the fun of reading novelizations! To see how things changed!
Yea, I got the novelization to ehance my appreciation of the movie; see what the predator was thinking rather than just what it sees... That sort of thing. It did indeed enhance my appreciation of the movie, only in a very different way; I caught a glimpse of the B monster movie that almost was... Lol
Just out of curiosity, hicks- have you read it? Or has anyone around here read it?
I haven't read the Predator ones - haven't actually looked for a while to be honest. Read the Alien and AvP one though.
I have. The first Predator novel is kinda whack... :)
I just really don't like it's take on the monster. It's interesting how different it is but it's also vastly inferior to the version the film (and Stan Winston!) gave us. I also didn't like how most of the human characters came across as assholes rather than lovable badasses. The movie definitely softened them a lot.
Still, nice to know what really happened to Billy :P
Definitely my least favourite of all the novelisations. The Predator 2 novel is amazing though.
Predator 4 is the only movie i am excited about crying over alien 3 and dont care about Prometheus thank god it was a sequel because both of my favorite film franchise was going to be rebooted and retconned.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2015, 07:47:12 AM
I have. The first Predator novel is kinda whack... :)
I just really don't like it's take on the monster. It's interesting how different it is but it's also vastly inferior to the version the film (and Stan Winston!) gave us. I also didn't like how most of the human characters came across as assholes rather than lovable badasses. The movie definitely softened them a lot.
Still, nice to know what really happened to Billy :P
Definitely my least favourite of all the novelisations. The Predator 2 novel is amazing though.
I'm honestly a little surprised to hear you say predator 2's novelization was amazing! Just a couple of weeks ago you were saying its deviations from the film make it non-canon, but I understand that it's still worthy of appreciation as a standalone! :-).
But yes, I completely agree! Predator's novelization portrayed the creature terribly! I kind of like the fact that all the characters came off as complete assholes, though. Seems more realistic for a bunch of hardened soldiers.
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 25, 2015, 06:01:20 PMJust a couple of weeks ago you were saying its deviations from the film make it non-canon, but I understand that it's still worthy of appreciation as a standalone! :-).
Was I?
Even if I did, the fact it doesn't quite gel with the film doesn't stop it being a really enjoyable read.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2015, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 25, 2015, 06:01:20 PMJust a couple of weeks ago you were saying its deviations from the film make it non-canon, but I understand that it's still worthy of appreciation as a standalone! :-).
Was I?
Even if I did, the fact it doesn't quite gel with the film doesn't stop it being a really enjoyable read.
Well, no not exactly. I was stretching the truth quite a bit actually... But not intentionally though; More so due to a faulty memory. Lol. My bad!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 09, 2015, 03:02:04 PM
I didn't wanna bring the novel into it because, you know, it's not the film, but yes, the book makes it abundantly clear the Predator is specifically following Harrigan.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2015, 07:47:12 AM
I have. The first Predator novel is kinda whack... :)
I just really don't like it's take on the monster. It's interesting how different it is but it's also vastly inferior to the version the film (and Stan Winston!) gave us. I also didn't like how most of the human characters came across as assholes rather than lovable badasses. The movie definitely softened them a lot.
Still, nice to know what really happened to Billy :P
Definitely my least favourite of all the novelisations. The Predator 2 novel is amazing though.
I'm curious about what happened to Billy. Would you mind spoiling it for me?
Quote from: Engineer on Aug 22, 2015, 02:37:57 AM
Oh my gawd! Dude! If you want to read a movie novelization that's soooo wildly different than the movie it's supposed to be based on, you should check out the first predator novelization! I'm pretty sure it was written based solely on the original script and the writer probably never bothered to change it after seeing the actual movie. The predator itself, if I remember correctly was the weird reptilian beetle thing that was originally planned befor Stan Winston got involved, running around with a sword and had the ability to shape shift into birds and such for some reason... I have the book, and read snippets then stopped. It wasn't predator! It was weird! Only real similarities were the character names and the book's cover had arnie in the crosshairs on it...
I'd love to see the Predator that we got take on the original one. Or to see the original get it's own movie. Am I the only one that wouldn't mind the latter? Just call it something other than Predator, of course.
I'm working on a project that incorporates the original Hunter. :) I don't really have much to say on it yet but it should be fun.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 26, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
I'm working on a project that incorporates the original Hunter. :) I don't really have much to say on it yet but it should be fun.
I hope you portray 'hunter' better than the novelization did! :-)
It'll be based on the Hunter script portrayal of the Predators.
Just done a video on this:
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 26, 2015, 01:01:39 PMI'm curious about what happened to Billy. Would you mind spoiling it for me?
Spoiler
The Predator splits him open from crotch to sternum with its spear (its primary weapon in the book) and tears out all of his insides.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2015, 07:46:47 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 26, 2015, 01:01:39 PMI'm curious about what happened to Billy. Would you mind spoiling it for me?
Spoiler
The Predator splits him open from crotch to sternum with its spear (its primary weapon in the book) and tears out all of his insides.
Nice...[emoji4]
The part that he did Iron Man 3 concerns me, that was one of the worst Marvel movies together with Thor 2.
Quote from: Infected on Sep 06, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
The part that he did Iron Man 3 concerns me, that was one of the worst Marvel movies together with Thor 2.
What concerns me is Fred Dekker writing this movie. Don't get me wrong, I like many of Dekker's movies like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but let's not forget that the man wrote and directed Robocop 3, a movie which killed the Robocop franchise but also Fred's career as a director.
Ironic enough, Shane also had a part in Robocop 3 as a minor role.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2015, 07:46:47 AM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Aug 26, 2015, 01:01:39 PMI'm curious about what happened to Billy. Would you mind spoiling it for me?
Spoiler
The Predator splits him open from crotch to sternum with its spear (its primary weapon in the book) and tears out all of his insides.
Whoa!
Thanks for answering, Huda.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2015, 12:32:41 PMWhat concerns me is Fred Dekker writing this movie. Don't get me wrong, I like many of Dekker's movies like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but let's not forget that the man wrote and directed Robocop 3, a movie which killed the Robocop franchise but also Fred's career as a director.
How many of
RoboCop 3's problems were created by the studio though? By all accounts it was they who pushed for a kid-friendly movie after the first two.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Sep 06, 2015, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: Infected on Sep 06, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
The part that he did Iron Man 3 concerns me, that was one of the worst Marvel movies together with Thor 2.
What concerns me is Fred Dekker writing this movie. Don't get me wrong, I like many of Dekker's movies like Night of the Creeps and Monster Squad but let's not forget that the man wrote and directed Robocop 3, a movie which killed the Robocop franchise but also Fred's career as a director.
Ironic enough, Shane also had a part in Robocop 3 as a minor role.
Loved Night of the Creeps though, classic :D
Robocop 3 was bad in its execution, if it was done in the same style as 1 and 2 i think we would have gotten a worthy ending to the series.
But the second one was forgettable, too. The only great thing about it was Cain's robotic design.
Even the first one isn't as good as I used to remember it being when little. It's a fascinating concept, but I don't think any of the films have really done justice to the premise. Aside from ED-209's design, much of the decent stuff was essentially ripped from 'Judge Dredd' (quite literally in the case of the 'crotch shot' scene).
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 07, 2015, 11:57:08 AM
But the second one was forgettable, too. The only great thing about it was Cain's robotic design.
Even the first one isn't as good as I used to remember it being when little. It's a fascinating concept, but I don't think any of the films have really done justice to the premise. Aside from ED-209's design, much of the decent stuff was essentially ripped from 'Judge Dredd' (quite literally in the case of the 'crotch shot' scene).
ehm i loved Robocop2 :D
I've said it before, but RoboCop 2 is one of those sequels that gets way more hate than it deserves just because it doesn't live up to the superb original. Watch it for what it is and it's immensely enjoyable.