Quote from: Trash Queen on Aug 17, 2021, 02:04:50 PM
This discussion's going nowhere.
You can not like it but you will never convince me that it's not one of the best survival horror stealth titles.
Especially not over someone's who's got the proof that they really know what they're talking about and I just honestly feel like you don't.
Yes, emotionally attachment the game causes it as it is Alien themed.
Survival horror is one element and stealth another one. A:Iso is not one of the best in any of those.
FYI I have about 40 years of experience with video games. Even by playing them you can see what effectively works and what does not. And you know how specific implementations and refinement was received by players in their times.
Tommy does not have any proof as he did not create any functional game that is considered one of the best examples to follow.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Aug 17, 2021, 02:15:35 PM
AI didnt sell well because it was ambitious and not part of the watered down, hand holding Call of Duty brigade that the modern gamer loves. Fireteam elite will outsell it by miles just because of the type of game it is, regardless of final quality. I applaud CA for attempting to recreate an Alien experience rather than an Aliens one like every other game does. I played through AI last week and it is just as brilliant as it ever was. The unpredictability of the AI is a large part of replicating such a terrifying experience every time.
Reisdent Evil Remake is regarded as not only the best game in that franchise, but one of the greatest survival horror experiences of all time, but its sales figures are poor compared to something like RE6 which is considered one of the poorest and most superficial games in the series.
AI not selling well has absolutely nothing to do with 'poor' gameplay.
A:Iso did not sell well because its gameplay is not enjoyable in a long run. BTW I am not a fan of CoD games and I have never been. The only game close to it I enjoyed was Syndicate (2012) and it has to do a lot with its gameplay refinement and aesthetic color contrasts that is better for human eye perception.
Yes, AFTE has a chance outselling all Alien franchise based games as it focuses more on enjoyable gameplay than graphics or cinematics.
To reiterate we talk about gameplay itself, not faithful representation of Alien 1979 cinematic experience in a form of video game. Also you mentioned the main reason why better AI is not always good for video games. The unpredictability. AI should always be manageable by player either by difficulty settings or getting better at it. Not just by luck. It was especially tested in fighting games 1 on 1.
REmake did not sell well for its time because it was released exclusively on Nintendo console. Less RE fans owned it. Its cinematic graphics were novelty at the time but gameplay wise is worse than the original (floaty less responsive movement, color contrasts).
RE6 is just an action RE themed shooter that aimed at wider audience.
A:Iso has everything to do with poor gameplay as it is in niche category. If the game was not Alien themed it would sell even worse.
Quote from: Hemi on Aug 17, 2021, 02:42:28 PM
It sold/Is selling pretty damn good actually.. it just didn't make enough money for Sega standards. They had high hopes and flushed it all on marketing.
I think people are just a bit sour after ACM and were expecting more pew pew, not hide and seek.
Personally I replay it a lot, just to feel te terror of that wonderfull creature. Nothing like it.
More than 2.1 million is not much for such investment.
Hide and seek gameplay on its own was always niche.
Again I do not criticize graphics or cinematic experience. Just gameplay.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 17, 2021, 02:59:44 PM
I'm not in any way a game pro and I'm not very versed in all of the technical details. I'm not gonna claim that Isolation has THE BEST gameplay mechanics in the genre. All I know is that hiding from Stompy is fun and tense and I like going back to it which for me iare the marks of a good gameplay
And it is all good. Nowhere I said that people should not enjoy games with average or bad gameplay. Even I do this.