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Prior to E3 Nils Ahrensmeier took to Twitter to share news of Aliens: Fireteam’s rename to Fireteam Elite, box art and that the game would be making an appearance at E3. That appearance never came to be. However, pre-orders for the game are now available on Best Buy and the listings are featuring the new name, box art that Ahrensmeier previously shared and a release date!

The listings give a retail price of $39.99, and if they hold true, Fireteam Elite will be getting a physical release and see release in August! According to Best Buy the PlayStation 5 and Xbox editions are releasing August 24th, while the PlayStation 4 listing has the 4th. This may be a mistake though.

The Best Buy listings also come with a look at the exterior of our Colonial Marine’s ship (which Ahrensmeier also previously shared) the Endeavor!

At this time though, this remains unconfirmed by Cold Iron Studios. Thanks to Drukathi, Necrofever and Warrio64 for the news.

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Love the box art! Gives me some Contra vibes.

A bit strange that there are still no changes for the Steam version. Maybe soon.

I'm liking the Endeavor. It's giving me Halo vibes, which works for me because Halo took from Aliens for a lot of aesthetics.

yesterday we had a chance to talk to cold iron member my questions being answerd : 

1., Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 01:54 Uhr
     If you are talking about the "trumpet/horn" type of death cry, yes it's in there

2.,Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 00:02 Uhr
You cusomize your character (hair, face, etc).

3.,Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 01:55 Uhr
Is the trumpet played for every death? No. I'd rather be scared and panicked than annoyed at the constant trumpeting.
[01:56]
Other death cries are appropriately screechy, and the trumpet is thrown in a decent amount

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[00:02]
(In the "Change Base Appearance" menu)

4.,Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 01:58 Uhr
M41a2 is the new pulse rifle for Fireteam. Nothing else to announce for now
[01:59]
I'll ask! It's a lot, but it's going to be hard to pin down. We use a dynamic system for audio that can, in very basic terms, mix together multiple sounds on the fly so it's not always playing the same canned track over and over again

5., Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 02:01 Uhr
Hahaha

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[02:07]
Audio example- some guns, just the firing sound, has 4 files all mixing in at the same time, randomly tweaked each shot for pitch/volume/etc
[02:08]
My favorite pistol, JUST the fire sound is 5 audio tracks.

6., Not "play one of these 5"... all 5 are mixed together each time you pull the trigger

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[02:08]
The audio design is f**king great. There are some very very awesome sounding weapons in here

7.,Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 02:51 Uhr
There's some good options for you too then... like tuning how much the motion tracker beeps at ya

Can you share a link? Thanks :)

Quietly hoping the 4th is the release date and not the 24th though I'm sure it'll be the other way around  ;D

I've already complimented the cover art but once again, it's decent! Express elevator to hell vibes!

Yeah, I expect they just missed the 2 off the date for that one. Another 2 months to go. Hopefully we'll see a confirmation soon. I just want to know for certain so I can book some time off!

https://discord.gg/9TrhxD7m official cold irion discored channel u can read all @ gameplay and feedback

yesterday we had a chance to talk to a cold iron member my questions being answerd @ cold irons discored channel
:
1.,  Q: Sunveen — heute um 01:38 Uhr
@Higgs - ColdIron  also want to know didt u fix the aliens death scream like the movie so I can stop asking for that all the time and do you have u the original pulse/smart gun sound from the movie
A: Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 01:54 Uhr
     If you are talking about the "trumpet/horn" type of death cry, yes it's in there
2., Q: Custom Characters?
A: Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 00:02 Uhr
You cusomize your character (hair, face, etc).
3.,Q (continue about aliens death scream )
A: Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 01:55 Uhr
Is the trumpet played for every death? No. I'd rather be scared and panicked than annoyed at the constant trumpeting.
[01:56]
Other death cries are appropriately screechy, and the trumpet is thrown in a decent amount
1 (also about Custom Charackters)
[00:02]
A: (In the "Change Base Appearance" menu)
4. Q: @Higgs - ColdIron  also want to know didt u fix the aliens death scream like the movie so I can stop asking for that all the time and do you have u the original pulse/smart gun sound from the movie
,A:Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 01:58 Uhr
M41a2 is the new pulse rifle for Fireteam. Nothing else to announce for now
[01:59]
I'll ask! It's a lot, but it's going to be hard to pin down. We use a dynamic system for audio that can, in very basic terms, mix together multiple sounds on the fly so it's not always playing the same canned track over and over again
5., Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 02:01 Uhr
Hahaha
3
[02:07]
Audio example- some guns, just the firing sound, has 4 files all mixing in at the same time, randomly tweaked each shot for pitch/volume/etc
[02:08]
My favorite pistol, JUST the fire sound is 5 audio tracks.
6., Not "play one of these 5"... all 5 are mixed together each time you pull the trigger
1
[02:08]
The audio design is f**king great. There are some very very awesome sounding weapons in here
7., Q: As someone with tinnitus that's easily aggravated by repetitive sounds Thank you
A:Higgs - ColdIron — heute um 02:51 Uhr
There's some good options for you too then... like tuning how much the motion tracker beeps at ya

Yay to the box art, the new title, physical copies, and the retail price of $39.99! Woot! 👏

Hopefully an August release date is indeed correct as that puts it in range of "close enough to not be too much longer to wait but plausible that they still haven't announced it officially yet." I'd really rather not wait until the end of September to play this.

It is official now, boys and girls.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1549970/Aliens_Fireteam_Elite/

https://www.ign.com/videos/aliens-fireteam-elite-official-trailer

An August 24th confirmation is definitely good, though it's a bit of a shame it's in the latter portion of the month. (EDIT: I didn't initially see the date because the damn IGN popups obscured it :laugh:).

Also that looks like a completely new creature at the .58 mark, though bone white, so possibly a bit Neomorph-inspired. And yeah they're really going hard with the Engineer environments. Looks like there are about as many of them in this trailer as traditional industrial corridors and such!

Quote from: molasar on Jun 23, 2021, 02:09:08 PM
It is official now, boys and girls.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1549970/Aliens_Fireteam_Elite/

https://www.ign.com/videos/aliens-fireteam-elite-official-trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8fZ4cKa1U

Ah, you beat me to it. And that's why you're the Mole-star! 👏

Pre-order goodies:

(https://i.ibb.co/MGdRkXs/Screenshot-20210623-101716-Chrome.jpg)

Quote from: Kailem on Jun 23, 2021, 02:18:30 PM
Also that looks like a completely new creature at the .58 mark, though bone white, so possibly a bit Neomorph-inspired. And yeah they're really going hard with the Engineer environments. Looks like there are abut as many of them in this trailer as traditional industrial corridors and such!

Not a good screenie, but I wonder if it's related to the Leon from Infiltrator? Doesn't look at all like an XX121 hybrid to me.

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I kinda wish they'd gone for something a little more flavorful (I've got no good examples atm) Fireteam Angels (you get what I'm aiming at here) but I do prefer Fireteam Elite to just Fireteam. Approve of the change.

I think thats that Spider monster from Infiltrator isn't it?

Updated the main post with details on a Deluxe Edition too.

"The Endeavor Pass will contain four cosmetic DLC bundles — including class kit skins, weapon colors, head accessories and more — that will be released alongside free major gameplay updates! The Endeavor Veteran Pack will contain over 20 cosmetic items, including armor kit skins, emotes, weapon colors and decals. The Endeavor Pass and Endeavor Veteran Pack will also be available for purchase separately."

RRP is $69.99

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 02:49:13 PM
Updated the main post with details on a Deluxe Edition too.

"The Endeavor Pass will contain four cosmetic DLC bundles — including class kit skins, weapon colors, head accessories and more — that will be released alongside free major gameplay updates! The Endeavor Veteran Pack will contain over 20 cosmetic items, including armor kit skins, emotes, weapon colors and decals. The Endeavor Pass and Endeavor Veteran Pack will also be available for purchase separately."

RRP is $69.99

Anniversary gift for my beautiful wife? Or the Deluxe Edition. Hmm. Decisions, decisions.  ;D

I kinda wish they'd left some of the monster shots out of this trailer as it looks like there's going to be some cool stuff/environments that won't be quite as much of a surprise to see in-game anymore. But either way, looks like there's going to be some cool stuff in this!

I'm digging the red key art too. Give it a unique identity compared to most of the other games.

Yep, a nice change from the blue. It almost appears demonic.

I hope they actually include all these cool camera angles between missions or scenes and such.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 02:49:13 PM
Updated the main post with details on a Deluxe Edition too.

"The Endeavor Pass will contain four cosmetic DLC bundles — including class kit skins, weapon colors, head accessories and more — that will be released alongside free major gameplay updates! The Endeavor Veteran Pack will contain over 20 cosmetic items, including armor kit skins, emotes, weapon colors and decals. The Endeavor Pass and Endeavor Veteran Pack will also be available for purchase separately."

RRP is $69.99

Graphics for the Deluxe -

(https://www.aliensfireteamelite.com/assets/img/upsell.jpg)

Not 100% about emotes since voice lines I understand but I've never known people to genuinely use emotes. I'm just glad the game can be finally in some sense tangible. Basically 2 months from now but it's a real product you can buy. At least I assume because it's still not up on PSN or Amazon or even Gamestop at the time of my posting.

EDIT: They're aware storefronts aren't updating

This game has development hell written all over it, sigh.......not the Aliens game I wanted when it was 1st announced years ago.

Quote from: Adam802 on Jun 23, 2021, 03:53:40 PM
This game has development hell written all over it, sigh.......not the Aliens game I wanted when it was 1st announced years ago.

I am not sure what you mean by development hell.

I miss the days when the limited editions included physical extras  :P

Releasing on my birthday. Cool.

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B8CNYP/nerd-two-thumbs-up-B8CNYP.jpg)

Very glad to see that they aren't trying to pass this off as a full $60 title. The $40 I'm seeing listed on Steam is much more appropriate given what we've seen so far

Still not sure if I'm actually gonna get this (gameplay doesn't really seem to be doing much for me at all, but I'm loving a lot of the environments) but if I do I'll at least feel a bit better about the price tag now.

Lots to examine in this when I get a minute.

hope its going to be good as they say it is

So it almost looks like the deluxe edition is digital only...?

I'm not surprised, a lot of middle-tier titles only do their "deluxe" editions digitally.

Also it's currently listed as £35 for the regular, £60 for the deluxe edition on the Playstation store for the rest of us UK folk.

Quote from: Kailem on Jun 23, 2021, 07:18:24 PM
I'm not surprised, a lot of middle-tier titles only do their "deluxe" editions digitally.

Also it's currently listed as £35 for the regular, £60 for the deluxe edition on the Playstation store for the rest of us UK folk.

And no late UK release pre-order themes this time arround to get annoyed with! :)

The achievements are up in the Xbox app. Tells you the names of the different campaigns.

The one albino creature looks like NeoMorph concept art
https://64.media.tumblr.com/f3eb1fd0d42eba1972791ccb0eaa438b/tumblr_ps5fsmBWhl1qa1o5zo1_1280.jpg

That was a well done trailer.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c6MF03EGgDo/mqdefault.jpg

Hoping for a fun time, glad it's not $60 because it doesn't look like a game that should be full price.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 02:29:15 PM

Quote from: Kailem on Jun 23, 2021, 02:18:30 PM
Also that looks like a completely new creature at the .58 mark, though bone white, so possibly a bit Neomorph-inspired. And yeah they're really going hard with the Engineer environments. Looks like there are abut as many of them in this trailer as traditional industrial corridors and such!

Not a good screenie, but I wonder if it's related to the Leon from Infiltrator? Doesn't look at all like an XX121 hybrid to me.

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I kinda wish they'd gone for something a little more flavorful (I've got no good examples atm) Fireteam Angels (you get what I'm aiming at here) but I do prefer Fireteam Elite to just Fireteam. Approve of the change.

Looks to be a lot of them in the distance, I'm betting a walking equivalent of the Trilobite.


Also, we need more screencaps. The pacing was too hyperactive for me to get a good look at anything or even bother trying to pause on a dime.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 23, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
The one albino creature looks like NeoMorph concept art
https://64.media.tumblr.com/f3eb1fd0d42eba1972791ccb0eaa438b/tumblr_ps5fsmBWhl1qa1o5zo1_1280.jpg

I don't recognize that piece. Do you remember the artist?

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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 23, 2021, 09:28:45 PM
Also, we need more screencaps. The pacing was too hyperactive for me to get a good look at anything or even bother trying to pause on a dime.

I'm planning on capping it later.  :)

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Quote from: seattle24 on Jun 23, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
The achievements are up in the Xbox app. Tells you the names of the different campaigns.

Could you post some screenies?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2021, 05:07:44 AM

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 23, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
The one albino creature looks like NeoMorph concept art
https://64.media.tumblr.com/f3eb1fd0d42eba1972791ccb0eaa438b/tumblr_ps5fsmBWhl1qa1o5zo1_1280.jpg

I don't recognize that piece. Do you remember the artist?

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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 23, 2021, 09:28:45 PM
Also, we need more screencaps. The pacing was too hyperactive for me to get a good look at anything or even bother trying to pause on a dime.

I'm planning on capping it later.  :)

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Quote from: seattle24 on Jun 23, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
The achievements are up in the Xbox app. Tells you the names of the different campaigns.

Could you post some screenies?

Going to walk us through the new caps with RidgeTop in a new YouTube video, Hicks? Gotta get in early to snag those likes!

Yeah, gonna get a video up later after work. I've woke up feeling mildly alive today, so assuming work doesn't drive me over the edge, we'll record later today.  :)

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2021, 05:07:44 AM

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jun 23, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
The one albino creature looks like NeoMorph concept art
https://64.media.tumblr.com/f3eb1fd0d42eba1972791ccb0eaa438b/tumblr_ps5fsmBWhl1qa1o5zo1_1280.jpg

I don't recognize that piece. Do you remember the artist?

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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 23, 2021, 09:28:45 PM
Also, we need more screencaps. The pacing was too hyperactive for me to get a good look at anything or even bother trying to pause on a dime.

I'm planning on capping it later.  :)

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Quote from: seattle24 on Jun 23, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
The achievements are up in the Xbox app. Tells you the names of the different campaigns.

Could you post some screenies?

Looks like somebody beat me to it!

https://www.trueachievements.com/n46061/aliens-fireteam-elite-xbox-achievements

Thanks, gonna pop that on the front page shortly. Will split off that discussion to the new thread generated.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 23, 2021, 09:28:45 PM
Also, we need more screencaps. The pacing was too hyperactive for me to get a good look at anything or even bother trying to pause on a dime.

Yeah, 'twas a tad too brisk for my tastes as well.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2021, 05:43:04 AM
Yeah, gonna get a video up later after work. I've woke up feeling mildly alive today, so assuming work doesn't drive me over the edge, we'll record later today.  :)

Only mildly alive?  :laugh:

Better than most days this year.  :laugh:

So do you have to buy the deluxe edition to get the classic looking marine armor or can it be purchased separately? I hope it can be individually purchased because locking things behind deluxe editions is kind of BS.

Quote from: newbeing on Jun 24, 2021, 02:21:56 PM
So do you have to buy the deluxe edition to get the classic looking marine armor or can it be purchased separately? I hope it can be individually purchased because locking things behind deluxe editions is kind of BS.

Does that really amount to a difference though? Whether you buy it separately as DLC or packaged in as a Deluxe Edition (etc) it's still "locked behind" an amount of extra money. It's not like a pre-order incentive, where you sometimes can't access it at all after the initial release (looking at you AVP 2010 and Predator: HG!).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2021, 07:38:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBnR29-iNHY

Nice work! Just wanted to point out a slight goof in the title (text, not the embedded image version):

New Aliens: Fireteam Elite Trailer Reaction! [Reaction>Release] Date Announced!

Another game that misses the mark entirely. You know why Alien Trilogy is a fan favorite amongst the shooter take on an alien game? It's because one alien was a threat, ammo was scarce and it was up close and personal thanks to a first person perspective. Simple as that. Fighting a few intelligent 7 foot tall aliens that are hard to kill with a quickly depleting ammo counter is much scarier than mowing down hundreds of unintelligent bugs from a zoomed out third person perspective. And on top of that, if one gets too close, you can apparently just punch it...like in colonial marines..

I do still really want one in the style of Dead Space.

Somebody wake up Hicks. Thread is still called Aliens: Fireteam.  ;D

Fireteam Elite thank you!

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 26, 2021, 08:53:49 PM
Another game that misses the mark entirely. You know why Alien Trilogy is a fan favorite amongst the shooter take on an alien game? It's because one alien was a threat, ammo was scarce and it was up close and personal thanks to a first person perspective. Simple as that. Fighting a few intelligent 7 foot tall aliens that are hard to kill with a quickly depleting ammo counter is much scarier than mowing down hundreds of unintelligent bugs from a zoomed out third person perspective. And on top of that, if one gets too close, you can apparently just punch it...like in colonial marines..

And we got the purest form of that in Alien: Isolation. There's no reason the franchise can't spawn many different kinds of offshoots. If this one doesn't appeal to you, just skip it. No big deal.

Quote from: The Necronoir on Jun 27, 2021, 01:36:50 PM
And we got the purest form of that in Alien: Isolation. There's now reason the franchise can't spawn many different kinds of offshoots. If this one doesn't appeal to you, just skip it. No big deal.

If they can't stay true to the source material then why call it an Aliens game? Money, that's why. A World war z clone. Yeah I'll skip it. I'm just so disappointed that we're getting another dud. It could've been a perfect mix between action and horror with lessons learned from Isolation and the movie from which it is stealing its title from.  It just sucks that you have to wait for the better part of a decade to find out if the next one is gonna do it right or not. The stigma of being an alien fan.

I will say I do not get the railing against the third person perspective, it's just as valid as the first person, to bring it up once again Dead Space proves that.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 27, 2021, 09:15:37 PM

If they can't stay true to the source material then why call it an Aliens game? Money, that's why. A World war z clone. Yeah I'll skip it. I'm just so disappointed that we're getting another dud. It could've been a perfect mix between action and horror with lessons learned from Isolation and the movie from which it is stealing its title from.  It just sucks that you have to wait for the better part of a decade to find out if the next one is gonna do it right or not. The stigma of being an alien fan.

Another dud that seems to be the best Alien franchise video game shooter ever created. Video games should be about fun first and foremost. Otherwise why bother?

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 27, 2021, 09:15:37 PM
If they can't stay true to the source material then why call it an Aliens game? Money, that's why. A World war z clone. Yeah I'll skip it. I'm just so disappointed that we're getting another dud. It could've been a perfect mix between action and horror with lessons learned from Isolation and the movie from which it is stealing its title from.  It just sucks that you have to wait for the better part of a decade to find out if the next one is gonna do it right or not. The stigma of being an alien fan.

So, I have a few questions:
1) Do you played WWZ?
2) If so, then why you skip AFE?
3) Only gameplay is important for you, not setting?
4) Do you really prefer to play a generic zombie game over Alien?  :o
5) Why even do you marked a game with a similar mechanic as a clone?
6) Do you know how genres and subgenres works?
7) Tell me one reason to play another shooter instead of OG Doom, or another RTS instead of Dune, or another souls-like instead of DS, etc.

For your knowledge: a similar people called Alien: Isolation as a clone of Outlast and asked - why should I play the Outlast clone? And these were the (pseudo) Alien fans!

Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 28, 2021, 06:52:49 AM
So, I have a few questions:
1) Do you played WWZ?
2) If so, then why you skip AFE?
3) Only gameplay is important for you, not setting?
4) Do you really prefer to play a generic zombie game over Alien?  :o
5) Why even do you marked a game with a similar mechanic as a clone?
6) Do you know how genres and subgenres works?
7) Tell me one reason to play another shooter instead of OG Doom, or another RTS instead of Dune, or another souls-like instead of DS, etc.

For your knowledge: a similar people called Alien: Isolation as a clone of Outlast and asked - why should I play the Outlast clone? And these were the (pseudo) Alien fans!

1. Yes, it was fun for a couple of hours.

2. Because xenomorphs shouldn't be compared to zombies. Zombies are braindead and the aliens seem to be aswell in AFE.

3. Of course, but if the title enemy which I grew up admiring is presented as a mindless and weak zombie then the background isn't going to help.

4. No but AFE will be a mindless generic zombie shooter with an aliens skin with a 5 hour campaign running from A to B holding down Mouse 1.

5. Because it's basically the same game with different skin.

6. Yes.

7. This question is so weird. There are a lot of Doom clones out there. But there's also amazing games that all originate from those originals, such as Half-Life. Wouldn't call that a Doom clone.

How can you not be disappointed that this is what we get after the most immersive, intense and impressive alien game ever made? To go from a highly intelligent xeno that stalks you to mindless drones just charging at you in wide open areas. This is going to be a very linear, mindless and short game with zero of the tension from the previous title.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
How can you not be disappointed that this is what we get after the most immersive, intense and impressive alien game ever made?

Because it works for an ALIENS game, it always has only no one dared to do it (besides some excellent mods for certain games  ;D )
Just like it works for a Gears game or a Killing Floor game. People like shooting hordes of enemies.

Heres a picture from an Aliens horde taken in 1986:
(https://neiloseman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Aliens_ceiling.jpg)

;)

It...WORKS.

You can still get fear just like in Aliens, just very panic orientated instead of dread. Comparring this to Isolation is silly, they are 2 different games just like Alien is a different movie comparred to Aliens. Haunted house vs war movie.

I think it will work tbh.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
7. This question is so weird. There are a lot of Doom clones out there. But there's also amazing games that all originate from those originals, such as Half-Life. Wouldn't call that a Doom clone.

Half-Life is literally Doom clone, just with a smart plot.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
How can you not be disappointed that this is what we get after the most immersive, intense and impressive alien game ever made? To go from a highly intelligent xeno that stalks you to mindless drones just charging at you in wide open areas. This is going to be a very linear, mindless and short game with zero of the tension from the previous title.

So, you don't like clones, but you hate AFE, because it's different from A:I? I hear you.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
Half-Life is literally Doom clone, just with a smart plot.

That's the video game equivalent of saying all humans are apes.

Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 28, 2021, 08:50:34 AM

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
7. This question is so weird. There are a lot of Doom clones out there. But there's also amazing games that all originate from those originals, such as Half-Life. Wouldn't call that a Doom clone.

Half-Life is literally Doom clone, just with a smart plot.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
How can you not be disappointed that this is what we get after the most immersive, intense and impressive alien game ever made? To go from a highly intelligent xeno that stalks you to mindless drones just charging at you in wide open areas. This is going to be a very linear, mindless and short game with zero of the tension from the previous title.

So, you don't like clones, but you hate AFE, because it's different from A:I? I hear you.

I don't think you are hearing me at all tbh. As I said in my first post, it could've been the perfect blend of action and horror, just like the movies it's supposed to be based on. Don't get me wrong, I was hoping to kill some aliens witha pulse rifle aswell, but yes in more of a Alien Isolation type style, meaning you have clever enemies, confined spaces on spaceships, vents etc. A more slow paced, realistic take on it with a very limited HUD. Alien and Aliens was always about making it feel like a realistic situation in a realistic environment. Remember this https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1277125/mediaviewer/rm1708431873/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1277125/mediaviewer/rm1708431873/) from the game informer article for A:CM? That picture alone conveys what I was hoping for. For a game developer, the natural step from Alien Isolation would've been Aliens, just like the movie it could've been about survival with limited resources. When you see the Aliens title logo, you think of the movie and as a consumer you'd want to have a similiar experience right?

Quote from: hfeldhaus on Jun 28, 2021, 09:18:49 AM

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 08:07:39 AM
Half-Life is literally Doom clone, just with a smart plot.

That's the video game equivalent of saying all humans are apes.

All humans are primates. Apes too.

It doesn't matter what was the first or what looks similar. Doom and HL are shooters with their own flaws and advantages. The same with WWZ and AFE: if someone like generic setting and zombies - good for them and only for them. This is not a flaw of AFE or something like.

For example: I'm really interested in WWZ gameplay mechanic, but I WILL NOT PLAY this game, because zombie and generic setting are boring things to me. But I like the gameplay and want to play a similar game, but in my favorite setting. What's how things works.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 09:33:09 AM
When you see the Aliens title logo, you think of the movie and as a consumer you'd want to have a similiar experience right?

No. You sounds like one of these marketers, who want a promotion, but will never get it. What I want? To see the quality and interesting game in alien setting with a similar things, not with an experience.

QuoteWhen you see the Aliens title logo, you think of the movie and as a consumer you'd want to have a similiar experience right?

Most consumers will see lots of Aliens, marines, and guns, and think that's pretty much the experience they were after having watched the film.

Quote from: Drukathi on Jun 28, 2021, 10:35:35 AM
No. You sounds like one of these marketers, who want a promotion, but will never get it. What I want? To see the quality and interesting game in alien setting with a similar things, not with an experience.

Man it's crazy how you all keep twisting my words. Anyway, I think we are all alien fans for different reasons then. I'm always going to be about wanting a game that can give me a similiar experience as the movie Alien and Aliens. Alien Isolation came really close and is without a doubt the most faithful to the source material. It mostly understands it and respects it. AFE is just another misrepresentation of Scott's and Cameron's universe, like so many other failed titles in this franchise. You can't just put a game in the same universe and think it's going to be a hit. You have to understand the fundamentals of the Alien experience. The Alien have to be a threat, an intelligent menacing foe like no other. It has to be filled with tension, suspense, thrills and interesting environments that you can explore, a great atmospheric score, lighting and sound. The movies are slow moving, even Aliens, with quick bursts of action, with up and downs. Not just mowing down thousands of mindless bugs while running through a level for 5 hours and then calling it the day.

Some of the most popular titles in the series are exactly the kind of game you're complaining about. Clearly people like different things and have different expectations of games vs movies.

What does it even mean to have a similar experience to the movies? Everyone experiences it differently. Hell, the tension you feel watching the movie vs playing the game are completely different experiences to begin with -- it's watching something bad happen vs having it happen to you.

Not to mention I don't remember hiding under a table when I watched Alien; I also don't remember any of the characters spending 90% of their time holding their breath in a locker.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 28, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
Some of the most popular titles in the series are exactly the kind of game you're complaining about. Clearly people like different things and have different expectations of games vs movies.

What does it even mean to have a similar experience to the movies? Everyone experiences it differently. Hell, the tension you feel watching the movie vs playing the game are completely different experiences to begin with -- it's watching something bad happen vs having it happen to you.

Not to mention I don't remember hiding under a table when I watched Alien; I also don't remember any of the characters spending 90% of their time holding their breath in a locker.

None of those titles comes close to Alien Isolation imo. I've played through Alien Isolation 6 times now I believe and still enjoy it. And no you don't need to stand in a locker, you can outmaneuver the alien if you are skillful. AVP 99 is the second best with great atmosphere and lethal aliens. I just thought that Alien Isolation would set the bar for future games, like how to make a successful Alien game that is praised by most people. Up the action a bit with Marines and killable aliens. Instead it has regressed. Didn't they learn anything? Apparently not.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 12:03:24 PM
I just thought that Alien Isolation would set the bar for future games, like how to make a successful Alien game that is praised by most people. Up the action a bit with Marines and killable aliens. Instead it has regressed. Didn't they learn anything? Apparently not.

Set the bar of what? And how is AFE regressed? HOW EVEN? What do you mean? Stop saying general phrases. Speak specifically.

I mean: there are survival horrors, but there also are grim and scary games, which not a horrors. There are such genres like tactical shooters with hyper-realism and just coop arcades with hordes.

Tactical games are not better than an arcades. They are two different genres. If A:I was serious and immersive - this doesn't mean that the following games should be like that. On the contrary, various genres and mechanics should be investigated. The only criterion is quality. And so far, in terms of quality, AFE doesn't look worse than A:I.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 12:03:24 PM
And no you don't need to stand in a locker, you can outmaneuver the alien if you are skillful

Also not my experience watching the movie, or the experience of the characters in the movie.

QuoteAVP 99 is the second best with great atmosphere and lethal aliens.

No mention of Alien Resurrection? It's basically exactly what you've described -- action, minimal Aliens that are all a nightmare to run into, desperation, etc.

QuoteI just thought that Alien Isolation would set the bar for future games, like how to make a successful Alien game that is praised by most people.

Isolation wasn't that successful, though. It underperformed like crazy.

Alien Isolation was great and all but it was a different vison developed by a different team. The idea that another team like CIS can't pursue their own vision and have to stay in a lane established by another team is highly unrealistic.

*Underperformed compared to Sega's unrealistic expectations.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 28, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
No mention of Alien Resurrection? It's basically exactly what you've described -- action, minimal Aliens that are all a nightmare to run into, desperation, etc.

Forgot about that one! It's great but I never finished it, it was too difficult! I enjoy Alien Trilogy aswell. The aliens aren't exactly smart there but the atmosphere is thick as hell, the aliens are hard to kill, they hide in the dark and your ammo is very limited.

It's funny when I say the movie experience and you take it so literally that you think I want to mimic every step of the characters? What I meant is to face what they face in the movie in a similiar setting under similiar circumstances. Can't believe I have to explain this. Alien Isolation did just that, it put you in a survival situation on a space station with confined spaces against an intelligent, deadly alien. The developers Creative Assembly said it was their goal and they succeeded.

I love the passion here, but to me, this all feels rooted from a deep love for Alien Isolation and deep disappointment that we didn't get an Alien Isolation 2. But I do get that. :)

But reality is people like all different types of games, and as an owner of Isolation and someone who liked the game, at least for me, I for one would get tired of Alien games emulating this one type of gameplay in perpetuity.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 28, 2021, 01:40:12 PM
*Underperformed compared to Sega's unrealistic expectations.

Underperformed in regards to money spent. It's always about profit versus cost.. money earned versus money spent on budget, production, promotion, licensing fee dollars, etc. If Sega made money hand-over-fist with Isolation, they wouldn't have declare sales weak for the title to shareholders and they would have greenlit another console game quicker than fans could say Alien: Blackout. :)

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 28, 2021, 01:52:02 PM
I love the passion here, but to me, this all feels rooted from a deep love for Alien Isolation and deep disappointment that we didn't get an Alien Isolation 2. But I do get that. :)

I would've loved a more action oriented but in the same spirit of Alien Isolation, e.g the same spirit as the first two movies. Alien Isolation with a handful of Colonial Marines with limited ammo and resources against a bunch of aliens, yes please. It's slow paced, atmospheric and up close and personal. It didn't have to be Isolation 2. What it would offer is open exploration and that roller coaster ride of highs and lows that the movies offer. Not a constant onslaught of action.

QuoteBut reality is people like all different types of games, and as an owner of Isolation and someone who liked the game, at least for me, I for one would get tired of Alien games emulating this one type of gameplay in perpetuity.

But..it's an Aliens game? It's supposed to be about survival, it's supposed to be scary, thrilling, dark and claustrophobic. It's supposed to have an intelligent enemy that is extremely hard to kill that will instantly kill you or worse if it gets it hands on you. Alien doesn't fit in zombie horde mode shooter. As soon as the first alien gets close to you it's over. It's not supposed to be a harmless bug that slaps you a bit to take a little HP off your character's life bar.

Have you guys even watched the 25 minute IGN gameplay video? Are you fine with a bunch of aliens just stroking around your legs like cats while you are being attacked by a heavy alien enemy or not doing anything while you are healing your friend? It's just random headless chicken madness with no sense of fear.

I really mean it performed better than can be realistically expected for that genre and that intellectual property following Colonial Marines' reception.

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 02:04:34 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 28, 2021, 01:52:02 PM
I love the passion here, but to me, this all feels rooted from a deep love for Alien Isolation and deep disappointment that we didn't get an Alien Isolation 2. But I do get that. :)

But reality is people like all different types of games, and as an owner of Isolation and someone who liked the game, at least for me, I for one would get tired of Alien games emulating this one type of gameplay in perpetuity.

I would've loved a more action oriented but in the same spirit of Alien Isolation, e.g the same spirit as the first two movies. Alien Isolation with a handful of Colonial Marines with limited ammo and resources against a bunch of aliens, yes please. It's slow paced, atmospheric and up close and personal. It didn't have to be Isolation 2. What it would offer is open exploration and that roller coaster ride of highs and lows that the movies offer. Not a constant onslaught of action.

Have you guys even watched the 25 minute IGN gameplay video? Are you fine with a bunch of aliens just stroking around your legs like cats while you are being attacked by a heavy alien enemy or not doing anything while you are healing your friend? It's just random headless chicken madness with no sense of fear.

You're talking to a guy who thinks this is fun, so.... :laugh:

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(https://64.media.tumblr.com/10662a46b949a2c9551ac2bc627f9e99/tumblr_oflvt6RMJa1qd4q8ao1_500.gifv)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/7b/0d/aa7b0d59c54e25f4ee5c1ee01c47b22b.gif)

And it is fun!

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 02:04:34 PM

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 28, 2021, 01:52:02 PM
I love the passion here, but to me, this all feels rooted from a deep love for Alien Isolation and deep disappointment that we didn't get an Alien Isolation 2. But I do get that. :)

But reality is people like all different types of games, and as an owner of Isolation and someone who liked the game, at least for me, I for one would get tired of Alien games emulating this one type of gameplay in perpetuity.

I would've loved a more action oriented but in the same spirit of Alien Isolation, e.g the same spirit as the first two movies. Alien Isolation with a handful of Colonial Marines with limited ammo and resources against a bunch of aliens, yes please. It's slow paced, atmospheric and up close and personal. It didn't have to be Isolation 2. What it would offer is open exploration and that roller coaster ride of highs and lows that the movies offer. Not a constant onslaught of action.

Have you guys even watched the 25 minute IGN gameplay video? Are you fine with a bunch of aliens just stroking around your legs like cats while you are being attacked by a heavy alien enemy or not doing anything while you are healing your friend? It's just random headless chicken madness with no sense of fear.

I plan to increase the difficultly to maximum, turn on friendly fire, and dabble in these mutator challenge cards that the developers are backing with a great belief to alter the experience each and every time.

Yeah, sure, I hate the Aliens being mowed down like a bunch of crickets as much as the next fan, but what we've seen in the footage has clearly been established as easy-setting stuff. The walkthrough was with that IGN idiot after all, the same one that thought Alien Isolation was bang average.

Have some faith, this is looking bloody decent in my opinion. The locations and use of prequel material has me really excited.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 28, 2021, 02:24:29 PM

You're talking to a guy who thinks this is fun, so.... :laugh:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/79/e6/c079e68307d3a476f0cc2be88865fe64.gif

https://64.media.tumblr.com/10662a46b949a2c9551ac2bc627f9e99/tumblr_oflvt6RMJa1qd4q8ao1_500.gifv

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/7b/0d/aa7b0d59c54e25f4ee5c1ee01c47b22b.gif

:D Well, those were arcade games, made to make quick money in a machine. I didn't think we had to wait 7 years for an arcade game, but AFE looks to be one. And yes, people will have fun with it for a little while! Just like with those old arcade games. Line up!... I just expected more after all these years.

Didn't Sega had a deal for a certain amount of Aliens games and Isolation was the last one?

And yes... most of the AFE hate comes from the Isolation fans. But they need to start seeing these things seperate.

I do feel AI2 is on the way though... something in the air dunno. It's really popular amongst gamers.

Clickbait sites like We Got This Covered have pushed forward rumors of an Isolation sequel, but the mobile game Alien Blackout was its legitimate follow-up.

Unfortunately, when I remove my fan goggles and look at this logically, if the publisher is calling out the game's sales publicly as "weak", a sequel in the same vein seems very unrealistic. It's a public declaration that the revenue did not justify its AAA game budget.

Here are some more details:

Sega laments "weak" game sales even as hard numbers rise
Full-year unit sales up 41 per cent, Consumer revenue up 11 per cent, but Alien and Sonic failed to perform
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-05-11-sega-laments-weak-game-sales-even-as-hard-numbers-rise

Quote from: Predatorium on Jun 28, 2021, 01:48:25 PM
What I meant is to face what they face in the movie in a similiar setting under similiar circumstances.

My point by being so literal was to illustrate that wanting to copy the experience of watching the movies is a fairly meaningless preposition in itself.

Outside of faithfully copying the aesthetic, Isolation doesn't really even do this. It's very different to the movie in so many ways in terms of the setting and challenges faced.

AFE seems to be going for the panic and intensity of the Operations Firefight, but creating that panic in a video game friendly format.

Quote from: Hemi on Jun 28, 2021, 03:12:18 PM


And yes... most of the AFE hate comes from the Isolation fans. But they need to start seeing these things seperate.

I'm a huge fan of Isolation and believe it's the best alien game to date. It's impacted me like no other game and captured my attention and praises like never before. Still, AFE is another game and should be looked as a separate style. Give the player options for dumb casual play and hardcore almost simulation like by tweaking the difficulty and simple parameters like health, speed and damage and that's all that's needed IMO. I can't wait for this game personally, I love the survival horror, but I also love the desperate horde modes. This seems like my perfect piece of action. The atmosphere is thick, dark, great lighting and I so want to get my hands on this game!

Quote from: Hemi on Jun 28, 2021, 03:12:18 PM
Didn't Sega had a deal for a certain amount of Aliens games and Isolation was the last one?

Correct. And then as I understand it, the people who made the deal didn't stay to see the actual games released, and the bosses who did weren't happy they even had the license.

Well well... so Sega was also biased at the time. 

Sega really botched this up didn't they?

Can a A:I 2 game be made under the new flags? Or is it also a licence problem due to the Sega thing?

I'm not sure another studio can literally use the name "Alien: Isolation 2" (only the contracts can reveal that for certain), but other studios can certainly continue Amanda's story, hence Alien Blackout.  :)

Well, just don't call it  Alien: Isolation 2 then. Call it, Idk, Alien: Asphyxiation ? Alien: Extrapolation ? Alien: Invitation ?

QuoteAlien: Invitation

I chuckled there... thank you!  :D

I really do hope someone else can use the Isolation moniker in the near future for something good.

Quote from: Kradan on Jun 30, 2021, 03:19:02 PM
Well, just don't call it  Alien: Isolation 2 then. Call it, Idk, Alien: Asphyxiation ? Alien: Extrapolation ? Alien: Invitation ?

Or Alien: Resocialization

Alien: Regurgitation

Alien: It's About Time

Alien: Radicalization

You hide in cupboards from a leering Pepe the frog, and Wojaks replace the Joes.

How close to the release can one preorder and get the bonuses?

Quote from: judge death on Aug 09, 2021, 08:57:37 PM
How close to the release can one preorder and get the bonuses?

any time before the launch really

Just make sure you're pre-ordering from somewhere that actually offers the bonus. Here in the UK they recently made them exclusive to GAME for the physical editions, so they could be retailer-exclusive in other places too.

Quote from: Kailem on Aug 10, 2021, 12:25:27 PM
Just make sure you're pre-ordering from somewhere that actually offers the bonus. Here in the UK they recently made them exclusive to GAME for the physical editions, so they could be retailer-exclusive in other places too.

I do not like when they do something like this. They should only offer some free bonus if it can be purchased separately.

Yeah it sucks. I'm basically having to pay £5 more than I could get it for elsewhere because I want the pre-order stuff and I don't know whether it'll be available separately when the game comes out.

Quote from: Kailem on Aug 10, 2021, 01:12:24 PM
Yeah it sucks. I'm basically having to pay £5 more than I could get it for elsewhere because I want the pre-order stuff and I don't know whether it'll be available separately when the game comes out.

One of moderators of the official discord server asked the devs about it and they told him that all pre-ordered versions come with the DLC.

That seems not to be the case here. (https://www.game.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/AjaxCatalogSearch?storeId=10151&catalogId=10201&langId=44&pageSize=48&beginIndex=0&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&pageView=image&predictiveSearchURL=&searchTerm=aliens+fireteam+elite&searchBtn=z#Page2)

Quote from: GAME"Pre-order Aliens: Fireteam Elite on PS4, PS5 or Xbox and get a code for the Game Exclusive Hardened Marine Pack DLC when you receive your copy of the game.

GAME Exclusive – "Hardened Marine Pack DLC" This item is only available in the UK from GAME Stores & Game.co.uk. Available to any customer purchasing the Aliens: Fireteam Elite. Strictly 1 per customer. While stocks last."

Quote from: Kailem on Aug 11, 2021, 03:09:53 PM
That seems not to be the case here. (https://www.game.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/AjaxCatalogSearch?storeId=10151&catalogId=10201&langId=44&pageSize=48&beginIndex=0&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&pageView=image&predictiveSearchURL=&searchTerm=aliens+fireteam+elite&searchBtn=z#Page2)

Quote from: GAME"Pre-order Aliens: Fireteam Elite on PS4, PS5 or Xbox and get a code for the Game Exclusive Hardened Marine Pack DLC when you receive your copy of the game.

GAME Exclusive – "Hardened Marine Pack DLC" This item is only available in the UK from GAME Stores & Game.co.uk. Available to any customer purchasing the Aliens: Fireteam Elite. Strictly 1 per customer. While stocks last."

I citied info from GAME store when I asked him. Then he asked Cold Iron people about it and they answered that every pre-order version comes with the DLC.

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Ask PhoenixKai on the game's discord server about it.

I'm not on their discord. But either way I wouldn't be surprised if they're just parroting the standard PR response that only applies to the US market.

Places like Amazon and Shopto don't have any mention of the pre-order bonus on their sites, whereas they do for other games that have them, and GAME is literally saying it's exclusive to them in the UK. So either way I'll be getting it from them, even if I annoyingly have to pay more for it.

It's the only way to be sure.

Quote from: Kailem on Aug 11, 2021, 04:49:38 PM
I'm not on their discord. But either way I wouldn't be surprised if they're just parroting the standard PR response that only applies to the US market.

Places like Amazon and Shopto don't have any mention of the pre-order bonus on their sites, whereas they do for other games that have them, and GAME is literally saying it's exclusive to them in the UK. So either way I'll be getting it from them, even if I annoyingly have to pay more for it.

It's the only way to be sure.

I know and this is what I told them on the discord. Also Shopto told me that there is no DLC in a form of separate code provided to them. Thus it must be included in the box or activated automatically.

BTW the last Focus' (UK publisher) trailer also says that it comes with the DLC. It would be a wrong advertising if it did not.

This type of ambiguity and lack of detail is cause for them NOT to get business. I know ppl like to get hard copies insteaad (because of their resale value) but this type of negligence to not inform people of the DLC with pe-order is a bunch of horseshit.

I just found Focus' article and it states that it is available at participating retailers only.

https://www.focus-home.com/en-us/news/aliens-fireteam-elite-releases-august-24-check-out-the-deluxe-edition-pre-order-for-even-more-content-and-prepare-for-the-xenomorph-threat

I am just checking with Cold Iron people again and I will try to get some info from Focus.

Can only hope you can buy the preorder bonuses, after/with standard issue and not being locked.

Yeah most of the time you can, but it's never a guarantee (you still can't get the playable Jungle Hunter in Predator Hunting Grounds if you didn't pre-order when it came out).

Quote from: molasar on Aug 11, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
I just found Focus' article and it states that it is available at participating retailers only.

https://www.focus-home.com/en-us/news/aliens-fireteam-elite-releases-august-24-check-out-the-deluxe-edition-pre-order-for-even-more-content-and-prepare-for-the-xenomorph-threat

I am just checking with Cold Iron people again and I will try to get some info from Focus.

Yeah that sounds about right.

From my experience in the UK, if it's not explicitly stated that you'll get the pre-order dlc, then there's a good chance you'll miss it. I pre-ordered RE3 from ShopTo, expecting that I'd get the dlc because it was stated by Capcom that all pre-orders would get it. ShopTo didn't send me the dlc, and Capcom said I had to get it from the retailer. They said Capcom never sent them any.

So, if it's GAME only, I'd get it from there.