this mustve been discussed before im sure but Outland is like sooooooo similar to Alien it could be set in the same universe right?
theres obviously been many other SF films that have been modelled on Alien since 1979 but Outland seems the closest..(some of the same crew also worked on Alien just a couple of years before)
its really similar - The sets, space suits, truckers/oil rig workers in space, hyper sleep, evil corporation (Con-Amalgamate could be a predecessor or rival company of Weyland-Yutani), Jerry Goldsmiths score, the opening is similar with the title appearing backlit with the similar eerie music. Even the tagline is similar - "Even in space the ultimate enemy is still man."
remember when first saw it being disappointed there was no aliens in it (not xenomorphs - just aliens in general as a SF space set film without aliens or some strange phenomena felt as if it were missing something)
not sure when exactly its set but think it might be before Alien in which case a prequel set in the same universe with Alien 'DNA' (in this case some of the same creative crew behind the sets/costumes/props/minatures/music) was done 30 years before Prometheus :D
John Mollo and a lot of Alien's crew worked on Outland :)
Outland is pretty good, actually. It's not really horror in space though, more like a classic western in space. But the parallels to Alien in the films cinematography and the framing of the story elements, are pretty obvious.
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I thought of that, too.
Alien3 nicked the computer readout sound effects.
Here's a thread I made on it http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43296.msg1352370#msg1352370 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43296.msg1352370#msg1352370)
I think it fits in even better than Blade Runner does.
BR set in the Alien universe works about as well as Terminator :laugh:
Has anyone actually compiled a list of potential obstacles that might prevent Terminator and Blade Runner from existing in the same universe as Alien?
I'm looking at you, SM.
BR could sort of be (as in Prometheus BR) but i dont think Terminator would work (especially now the Weyland chronology has charted everything that ever happened in the Alien verse) - unless the war against the machines was just a bad spell humanity went through before winning and then using all the advanced tech the machined created to develop FTL ships, cyborgs etc (isnt there an Alien v Predator v Terminator comic series? - mustve explained it in someway like that)
Quote from: RC on Mar 20, 2013, 06:20:29 AM
Has anyone actually compiled a list of potential obstacles that might prevent Terminator and Blade Runner from existing in the same universe as Alien?
Anybody who actually watched the films in question ... ?
Blade Runner is trickier.... 2019 date... genetic Replicants arent androids... erhm... doesnt contradict anything outright in the alien universe... and Ridley was playing around with the idea of having the "Weyland-Tyrell" corporation in Prometheus, right? :P
Quote from: bishoop on Mar 20, 2013, 12:13:33 PM
BR could sort of be (as in Prometheus BR) but i dont think Terminator would work (especially now the Weyland chronology has charted everything that ever happened in the Alien verse) - unless the war against the machines was just a bad spell humanity went through before winning and then using all the advanced tech the machined created to develop FTL ships, cyborgs etc (isnt there an Alien v Predator v Terminator comic series? - mustve explained it in someway like that)
The conclusion of the second
Terminator film could see that the war against the machines didn't happen. Old Johnny boy possibly prevented it. Even so Cyberdyne could comfortably fit in the Alien universe. Perhaps even being an acquisition of Weyland. In fact, the original
Aliens script had Cyberdyne be the firm that created Bishop, but it was later changed to Hyperdyne.
lol yeah, imagine the boxset in chronological order. :laugh:
Terminator
Predator
Predator 2
Terminator 2
Predators
Blade Runner
Prometheus
Alien
Outland
Aliens
Ali3n
Alien: Resurrection
whoa. :laugh: (Let's not mention Soldier.. ever.. ever.)
Outland is about the only one that I see as feeling like it belongs in the Alien universe - could easily be Thedus rather than Io. The music, the design and the cinematography all help to convey that grungy working environment that is a natural progression of the what was suggested aboard the Nostromo - the fact that it's about company exploitation via drugs also helps to ground it in an expanded reality the way that other sci fi films, by their fantastical nature, don't.
Beyond that, just because stacks of films have been visually influenced by Alien doesn't mean they connect.
I must say that I'm somewhere along the same lines as Gash on this one. Always liked Outland despite it not being a great movie (it's not a bad movie either mind you)
Outland was the only one that felt as real to me as Alien did.
I like Outland quite a bit. It's got plenty of atmosphere and I always thought it had some really memorable moments.
Even the gore seemed very Alien-like.
Quote from: RC on Mar 20, 2013, 11:13:25 PM
Even the gore seemed very Alien-like.
Uh oh... Zero Atmosphere...
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Ooops!
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Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 20, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
lol yeah, imagine the boxset in chronological order. :laugh:
Terminator
Predator
Predator 2
Terminator 2
Predators
Blade Runner
Prometheus
Alien
Outland
Aliens
Ali3n
Alien: Resurrection
Maybe we can throw Total Recall and The Thing in there too :D
Quote from: irn on Mar 22, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Maybe we can throw Total Recall and The Thing in there too :D
The Thing could fit in with any of those series'. Nice and contained (even if you include the prequel film and game sequel).
I reckon we could fit in "Pride and Prejudice" somewhere too.
*Ahem*
This is silly...
Like E.T, Star Wars and Star Trek being connected because E.T's species is in Episode 1, and R2D2 is seen in Star Trek (2009)
Ludicrous.
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 23, 2013, 12:41:23 PM
This is silly...
Like E.T, Star Wars and Star Trek being connected because E.T's species is in Episode 1, and R2D2 is seen in Star Trek (2009)
Ludicrous.
People are only playing around y'know... y u mad?
I know ;D
Of course they are. And Elliot's Star Wars toys are actually models of famous people who lived a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 23, 2013, 12:41:23 PM
Like E.T, Star Wars and Star Trek being connected because E.T's species is in Episode 1, and R2D2 is seen in Star Trek (2009)
Don't forget, the first
Indiana Jones has hyerogliphs of R2D2 and C3PO.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 23, 2013, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 23, 2013, 12:41:23 PM
Like E.T, Star Wars and Star Trek being connected because E.T's species is in Episode 1, and R2D2 is seen in Star Trek (2009)
Don't forget, the first Indiana Jones has hyerogliphs of R2D2 and C3PO.
Isn't there a guy dressed as Indy in ep I as well?
I knew about the hieroglyphics, but never heard of the TPM thing before...Just read something about it being in the podrace scene. Anyone have any pictures?
You see the guy walking up the stairs during the pod race scene, I believe.
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Lets not forget R2D2 is also in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, attached to the mothership.
And R2D2 is in ALIEN,
the Millenium Falcon is in Blade Runner,
a Blade Runner Spinner is in Episode II,
the 2001 pod is in Episode I,
Nostromo screens in Blade Runner
and Cyberdyne is in Prometheus...
Spoiler
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Quote from: The Necronoir on Mar 22, 2013, 09:52:29 AM
The Thing could fit in with any of those series'. Nice and contained (even if you include the prequel film and game sequel).
Obviously the alien in The Thing was one of the Space Jockey's successors to the black goo, duh.
Quote from: WickerMan on Mar 23, 2013, 11:10:49 PM
Quote from: The Necronoir on Mar 22, 2013, 09:52:29 AM
The Thing could fit in with any of those series'. Nice and contained (even if you include the prequel film and game sequel).
Obviously the alien in The Thing was one of the Space Jockey's successors to the black goo, duh.
Boy, do they have the worst luck whenever they point anything towards Earth.
I have never seen this film - must see!!!!Tah for the tip!
I hate to say this is its a point made before and elsewhere on these forums but Prometheus didnt feel like it belonged to the Alien unvierse but was far more star trek in look, feel and theme.
I tend to think Moon is set in the Alien universe as well
...and Superbad,The Godfather and Army of Darkness.
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just seen it, has very alienish parts but not as good as u say guys, it deserves a 6 and dunno why sean is in it ???
Guesh he wanted to do shum shcience ficshun, Moneypenny.
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Quote from: szkoki on May 02, 2013, 11:24:05 AM
just seen it, has very alienish parts but not as good as u say guys, it deserves a 6 and dunno why sean is in it ???
I admit it's not a great movie, but captured the feel of the Alienverse perfectly. Maybe even better than Aliens did.
Bold statement?
Heh, thanks for reminding about this movie (and the subsequent Blu-Ray re-release). So glad they finally fixed the AWFUL transfer that we've been stuck with forever.
Here is how I see the continuity. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Battlestar Galactica
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Predator
Predator 2
Aliens VS. Predator
AVP: Requiuem
Predators
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Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien
Outland
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
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Firefly
I'm writing a fan-fic thing:
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Marshall William T. O'Niel arrives on space station Thedus in pursuit of Dr. Ian Cuthbert, a fugitive medical researcher responsible for the deaths of several people resulting from illegal drug experiments.
At the same time, the USCSS Nostromo, a space freighter owned by Weyland-Yutani Corp, is about to leave port when its science officer, a crewman called Standish, goes AWOL, delaying the ship's departure.
Marshall O'Niel is tracking Cuthbert when he stumbles across Standish, injured and in a highly distressed state. Standish reveals that he was abducted by Cuthbert but managed to escape. They think they have a trace on Cuthbert but learn that Weyland-Yutani assigned him to the Nostromo under a false identity - "science officer Ash". They are too late to stop the departure of the Nostromo, which has now entered hyperspace and is incommunicado.
Together, O'Niel and Standish proceed to investigate the suspicious circumstances under which WY whisked Cuthbert/Ash away, uncovering a deep conspiracy concerning WY, Con Amalgamate and Seegson Corp.
TC
***EDIT: Oh, I guess I should explain, this is set in a reboot universe. So Ash is not a robot. (At least, I don't think he is ;D )
I watch it and just plug my ears whenever they say Europa and imagine its some farther solar system with a gas giant to make it fit. :P
Io.
Yeah if you think Africa and Canada are "pretty much the same thing." :laugh:
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 23, 2018, 03:33:13 AM
Yeah if you think Africa and Canada are "pretty much the same thing." :laugh:
Africa is very hot. Io is very cold. Europa is very cold. Titan is very cold. I made a goof, do not roast me
Io = Mustafar
Europa = Hoth
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Apr 23, 2018, 06:24:40 AM
Africa is very hot. Io is very cold. Europa is very cold. Titan is very cold. I made a goof, do not roast me
What if I broil you?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 23, 2018, 07:34:52 PM
Io = Mustafar
Europa = Hoth
It's time to ask that age old question. What
does God need with a starship?
You're asking for a lightning bolt to the chest.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 23, 2018, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Apr 23, 2018, 06:24:40 AM
Africa is very hot. Io is very cold. Europa is very cold. Titan is very cold. I made a goof, do not roast me
What if I broil you?
All of our collective futures are broiling and filled with steam anyways, might as well get it over with.
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Apr 24, 2018, 06:35:36 AM
All of our collective futures are broiling and filled with steam anyways, might as well get it over with.
One thing I rather liked in Alien : Isolation was how the Colonial Marshall's and the security officers felt like a hybrid of the Colonial Marines and the Marshall's from Outland.
I see multiple posts placing the film chronologically in between Alien and Aliens. Does Outland ever give a specific year in which it takes place?
I just found out about this film. Never watched it but since someone did a documentary on it theorizing its in the ridley verse, ill give it a try.
To start off, the title sequence is EXACTLY THE SSAME AS ALIEN LOL!!!!
Quit spreading that tripe around, not cool.
I'm not trying to "spread" it. I'm trying to raise awareness among posters here who apparently still don't know that AT is a serial plagiarist.
I meant that to be more humorous than it reads, apologies
In all honesty, I hope it makes people mad. That's the idea. Maybe if enough people get mad, something will finally get done about him.
Wishful thinking, I've been mad about the Michael Bishop article on Xenopedia for half a decade and it's still full of garbage.
Explain.
Kylo's father is right! we need to super mega hyper upset more people to finish that monster >:(
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It's still got ACM content in it despite ACM being non-canon since a year after it's release haha.
But still it remains a mess.
Along with a lot of similar articles.
That would please Randy.
In Wikipedia articles, there is a section where staff and editors discuss what changes to make and what not. The reliability of sources is a common issue. And I swear that I have seen real battles that do not have much to envy to canon wars. I imagine one can find similar discussions in AVP Wikia :laugh:
Fans of ACM regularly join Randy backstage at his magic shows.
Yeah, those are pretty fun.
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Give up, you can't make him stop as you can't make Marvel's artists not trace
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 14, 2021, 02:48:35 AM
Kylo's father is right! we need to super mega hyper upset more people to finish that monster >:(
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Uh-huh.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2021, 01:55:07 AM
In all honesty, I hope it makes people mad. That's the idea. Maybe if enough people get mad, something will finally get done about him.
Is there something wrong with Alien Theory?
Other than the plagiarism and dishonesty?
Yup. He takes information without permission and he doesn't give credit to anyone.
Quote from: Dingbat on Feb 23, 2021, 08:49:44 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2021, 01:55:07 AM
In all honesty, I hope it makes people mad. That's the idea. Maybe if enough people get mad, something will finally get done about him.
Is there something wrong with Alien Theory?
I'm not sure but I've heard he's a serial killer and murdered someone recently.
Spoiler
It's all not true, of course, but thanks for wasting your time reading it
He turns people into salty mummies! if that's not a crime I don't know what it is? >:(
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2021, 12:10:57 AM
Was it this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWD3FD8mpPE
I saw the same video and now I believe Outland is in the same universe as Alien/Aliens probably in between the films.
ps. I like to believe that The Thing is also in the same universe.
Quote from: Neomorph-01 on May 04, 2021, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 14, 2021, 12:10:57 AM
Was it this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWD3FD8mpPE
I saw the same video and now I believe Outland is in the same universe as Alien/Aliens probably in between the films.
ps. I like to believe that The Thing is also in the same universe.
I suspect the Friday the 13th and Scream movies to also be a part of it.
'Notting Hill' is really obviously set in the Alien universe.
Predator isn't, though.
Well obviously ;D
Another Alien universe type show that the seppos might not even be aware of, is Space 1999.
While it's aesthetic is more 2001: A Space Odessy, the pratical miniatures and effects strongly evoke Alien. In fact, miniature maker Martin Bower would later go on to build the Nostromo model and special effects artist, Brian Johnson would later go on to work as special effects supervisor on Alien.
The show also has some interresting horror elements and low gravity is recreated outside the moonbase, a rarity in sci-fi shows. Here is the first episode: