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Now, I will preface this and say that if I were in similar circumstances, with similar company, I would have probably freaked out as well, but maaaaaan, Lambert is one scary lady rockin cowboy boots. I have a few theories in this rambling "stream of consciousness" of mine. Please feel free to agree and disagree as you see fit.
I will say that I did like how most of the crew didn't too much care for each other, and that added a layer of suspense. It seemed like out of the "officer" crew, Lambert complained the absolute most. Even before the Xenomorph stepped in their lives, one of Lambert's first lines were her whining "I'm cold!" to a crew who were too busy stuffing their faces to pay much attention to her.
Being the navigator, Lambert would have known their position. She let Kane, Dallas, and Ripley know that they weren't in the Sol system, but instead a complete alien (pardon the pun) system; Zeta II Reticuli. Nobody paid any attention to her, before she became a smart ass and repeated herself: "It's not our system..."
It also seemed that she had some beef with Ripley even before Ripley wouldn't let Kane back on the ship. I think she just used the whole Kane incident to fully let her contempt towards Ripley play out in a public fashion. When they were going to get a landing party together, Lambert was uncongenial on being volunteered. She rolled her eyes a bit and said "Swell" while extinguishing her cigarette in disgust.
In one theory of mine, I think Parker and Lambert had something going on behind the scenes. It wasn't a love, but more of a....I don't know....friends with benefits kinda thing? I know that the entire ship were switching out sexual partners, but Parker made an overture directed at Lambert. She didn't act offended, she wasn't disgusted, she just kinda laughed. Let's not forget he sacrificed himself to save her. I honestly don't think he would have done that for anyone else on the Nostromo, maybe save for Brett. He just seemed very protective of her, especially after Ash revealed himself to be an Android.
When s**t started going down, Lambert was the first one to start freaking out. As soon as Brett bit the dust, Lambert was inconsolable. For some odd reason, the Nostromo crew put her on the motion tracker. Yes. The person who is cracking up and is starting to lose their cool is now basically in charge of someone else's life. So Dallas goes into the air ducts of the ship. The alien is stalking him, and Lambert starts blurting out directions to Dallas. Though Dallas never lost his cool throughout this whole affair, you could tell he was shaken in the moments leading up to his death.
I think Lambert felt somehow responsible after Dallas' death, and she completely shut down mentally. I wonder if she felt that it should have been Ripley who went into the air ducts instead of Dallas.
Another theory I have is that the Drone knew she was the most terrified of it. That's why it scared the living daylights out of her before it.....well, I'll get on that later. The other crew members were quite disturbed, but were able to hide it their encroaching fear: Dallas tried to think logically about the whole situation; Ripley was too busy being suspicious of Ash; Parker reacted with hate and anger towards the creature; Brett,well, I think he was just being Brett; and we all know about Ash.
She wanted to get the hell out of dodge, and I can't blame her.
Lambert was the most terrified of it, and maybe the Drone got some weird sense of ecstasy from the fear of its victims. Sort of like a biomechanical Pennywise, maybe the meat tasted much better when it was doused in fear.
Lambert's death scene is confusing, though ultimately satisfying. You don't really know what happened to her, and that's what makes it better. After Parker unsuccessfully attempted to thwart the Drone's plans for Lambert, and Lambert not using that opportunity to escape, the alien focuses back on her. It seemed very curious in the crab-walking version of her death, but in the theatrical/DC version, the alien looked very sadistic and deliberate, as it was done toying around with her and ready to get down to business.
I am in the camp that believes the Drone had some nefarious plans for her, and those may or may not have included rape. I think the alien attacked her, maybe assaulted her, and then attempted to steal away with her. I believe it tried to go into a vent, but Lambert's whole body couldn't fit, so the alien made her fit. What happened to the rest of her body up to interpretation. It's probably in the egg chamber.
I am probably going to purchase the NECA Lambert figure and the Drone and have it scare the sh*t outta her and put it on YouTube. I just wish NECA had released a Lambert with her regular Nostromo shirt and cowboy boots.
Just get one of these. :)
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I can't say I entirely agree with your read on a few things. I think you're overstating her 'freaking out' a bit. It's not until Ripley suggests they continue with Dallas' plan that she starts to crack. Prior to that she was obviously panicky, but generally keeping it together.
Also Parker is someone who needs to act - with foolish heroism if need be. He wanted to attack the chestburster; he helped Ripley against Ash. He uncharacteristically took Ripley's side in the deleted argument about letting Kane in. I don't think he's just looking out for Lambert.
She looks like Christopher Walken there.
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 12:08:43 AM
Just get one of these. :)
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I can't say I entirely agree with your read on a few things. I think you're overstating her 'freaking out' a bit. It's not until Ripley suggests they continue with Dallas' plan that she starts to crack. Prior to that she was obviously panicky, but generally keeping it together.
Also Parker is someone who needs to act - with foolish heroism if need be. He wanted to attack the chestburster; he helped Ripley against Ash. He uncharacteristically took Ripley's side in the deleted argument about letting Kane in. I don't think he's just looking out for Lambert.
Parker took Ripley's side on something? I thought they hated each other? I know he helped Ripley against Ash, but I thought that was more or less an instinct thing. He saw Ash, who no doubt at that point, he was suspicious of as well (especially if you go by that deleted scene where Parker was about to blast the creature out of the airlock and Ash sounded the alarm).
BTW, Aren't those the Seven something figures? I love the retro packaging.
Quote from: Pvt_Frost on Oct 10, 2019, 01:01:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 12:08:43 AM
Just get one of these. :)
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I can't say I entirely agree with your read on a few things. I think you're overstating her 'freaking out' a bit. It's not until Ripley suggests they continue with Dallas' plan that she starts to crack. Prior to that she was obviously panicky, but generally keeping it together.
Also Parker is someone who needs to act - with foolish heroism if need be. He wanted to attack the chestburster; he helped Ripley against Ash. He uncharacteristically took Ripley's side in the deleted argument about letting Kane in. I don't think he's just looking out for Lambert.
Parker took Ripley's side on something? I thought they hated each other? I know he helped Ripley against Ash, but I thought that was more or less an instinct thing. He saw Ash, who no doubt at that point, he was suspicious of as well (especially if you go by that deleted scene where Parker was about to blast the creature out of the airlock and Ash sounded the alarm).
BTW, Aren't those the Seven something figures? I love the retro packaging.
See ADF novelisation
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 10, 2019, 01:19:11 AM
Quote from: Pvt_Frost on Oct 10, 2019, 01:01:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 12:08:43 AM
Just get one of these. :)
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I can't say I entirely agree with your read on a few things. I think you're overstating her 'freaking out' a bit. It's not until Ripley suggests they continue with Dallas' plan that she starts to crack. Prior to that she was obviously panicky, but generally keeping it together.
Also Parker is someone who needs to act - with foolish heroism if need be. He wanted to attack the chestburster; he helped Ripley against Ash. He uncharacteristically took Ripley's side in the deleted argument about letting Kane in. I don't think he's just looking out for Lambert.
Parker took Ripley's side on something? I thought they hated each other? I know he helped Ripley against Ash, but I thought that was more or less an instinct thing. He saw Ash, who no doubt at that point, he was suspicious of as well (especially if you go by that deleted scene where Parker was about to blast the creature out of the airlock and Ash sounded the alarm).
BTW, Aren't those the Seven something figures? I love the retro packaging.
See ADF novelisation
Sorry, I'm not well educated when it comes to Alien terms lol. ADF is Alan Dean Foster, correct?
Yes.
Part of the scene ended up in the directors cut where Lambert smacks Ripley in the face and Ripley argues with Dallas. I don't remember if the whole scene was in there though.
After Dallas had shouted at Ripley about disobeying his orders Parker said something like " What if she's right ? Who knows what that thing is ? " IIRC
More or less.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 10, 2019, 02:05:07 AM
After Dallas had shouted at Ripley about disobeying his orders Parker said something like " What if she's right ? Who knows what that thing is ? " IIRC
Later on, (from a deleted scene) Parker points out to Lambert, that it wasn't his idea to let the thing onboard, which causes a heated argument between crew members.
Quote from: Pvt_Frost on Oct 09, 2019, 11:54:53 PM
In one theory of mine, I think Parker and Lambert had something going on behind the scenes. It wasn't a love, but more of a....I don't know....friends with benefits kinda thing? I know that the entire ship were switching out sexual partners, but Parker made an overture directed at Lambert. She didn't act offended, she wasn't disgusted, she just kinda laughed. Let's not forget he sacrificed himself to save her. I honestly don't think he would have done that for anyone else on the Nostromo, maybe save for Brett. He just seemed very protective of her, especially after Ash revealed himself to be an Android.
Parker spent the whole time working on Lambert. When the golden opportunity (the Alien appearing before them) presented itself, Parker took it, choosing to fight for the navigator's affection (and knickers) by defending her.
It all went awry, and it was the Alien that received the (brown) trophy knickers instead.
:laugh:
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 10, 2019, 12:16:48 AM
She looks like Christopher Walken there.
LOL!!! brah, I'm just seeing this. I spit out my breakfast OJ I was laughin so hard. LOL!
QuoteAs soon as Brett bit the dust, Lambert was inconsolable.
Lambert: "Could he be alive?"
Ripley: "What?"
Lambert: "Brett. Could it want him alive?"
Ripley: "No. I don't think so."
Lambert: *'well, shit' expression*
As SM said, not exactly inconsolable :P
Quite the contrary.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 10, 2019, 12:16:48 AM
She looks like Christopher Walken there.
It could be why she's freakin' out.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 10, 2019, 12:19:09 PM
QuoteAs soon as Brett bit the dust, Lambert was inconsolable.
Lambert: "Could he be alive?"
Ripley: "What?"
Lambert: "Brett. Could it want him alive?"
Ripley: "No. I don't think so."
Lambert: *'well, shit' expression*
As SM said, not exactly inconsolable :P
The way she was dragging on her cigarette, she seemed more worried about the Alien's sudden growth spurt than the recently deceased Engineering Tech.
Lambert really started to fall apart after the Captain's disappearance.
I wonder if Lambert's look (short hair, tattoo and cowboy boots) was designed to make the character appear tougher than she really was or simply to further differentiate the two females?
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 10, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
I wonder if Lambert's look (short hair, tattoo and cowboy boots) was designed to make the character appear tougher than she really was or simply to further differentiate the two females?
Huh that's a new one.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 10, 2019, 08:23:22 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 10, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
I wonder if Lambert's look (short hair, tattoo and cowboy boots) was designed to make the character appear tougher than she really was or simply to further differentiate the two females?
Huh that's a new one.
I was thinking perhaps a deliberate attempt at misdirection through wardrobe design for the character (the short hair, tattoo and cowboy boots, giving Lambert a certain 'attitude') . Making her appear to be the more resilient of the two women, so it would be more of a surprise when Lambert was revealed as being the much weaker personality of the two women.
Her "weaker" personality is pretty much given away in the first fifteen minutes, so it'd be a strange choice.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 10, 2019, 09:05:52 PM
Her "weaker" personality is pretty much given away in the first fifteen minutes, so it'd be a strange choice.
You mean her whining during the trip to the Derelict?
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 10, 2019, 09:05:52 PM
Her "weaker" personality is pretty much given away in the first fifteen minutes, so it'd be a strange choice.
You mean her whining during the trip to the Derelict?
I was just about to bring this up. Out of the entire crew, she was a supreme smart ass and seemed to revel in irritating others with her constant whining:
Kane: "Stop griping!"
Lambert: "I like griping."
She seemed to be a pain in the neck to the "officer" crew in much of the same way Parker was a thorn in Ripley's side. I also pointed out that she acted like she didn't
even want to be there. Of course, she died, so we had no idea what was waiting for her back on Earth (we do get a nice little backstory of sorts on her in the sequel), but we know (from the sequel) Ripley had a daughter waiting on her. I'm assuming that Ripley was a single mother (she didn't ask about her husband's whereabouts, though one can assume that even if she were married, she would already know he was a goner), and presumably was very enlivened to get back home.
Ripley complained, don't get me wrong, it was just more on the level of managing an asshole and Brett. Not because she was "cold". So yeah, I agree with SiL; Lambert's weaker personality showed pretty early on.
Maybe there was a Mr. Lambert at home for her? Who knows? I know her constant sarcasm and sniveling would have been too much for some.
She had a tattoo? I think I need to go back and watch Alien again. I haven't seen it in a while. Any particular scenes I need to watch out for to spot the tat?
Other random question: Was Lambert the only smoker on the ship? I seem to remember Kane smoking as well, but again, I need to watch the film again.
If the crew manifest is to be believed, Lambert had two ex-husbands - no children.
Brett liked a smoke and Ripley (in the screen tests and ALIENS).
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 10, 2019, 11:25:04 PM
If the crew manifest is to be believed, Lambert had two ex-husbands - no children.
Brett liked a smoke and Ripley (in the screen tests and ALIENS).
Oh.....she had
two ex-husbands. Wow. Joan was a rolling stone. LOL. I can see why she did have two ex-husbands. She was neurotic as hell and I know if she freaked out around me, that would cause me to freak out, and I got torched by the most freaked out person ever, i.e. Dietrich! LOL.
I know Rip smoked on the sequel, but I think that was more or less out of stress. I don't believe she ever picked up a cigarette in the original. If she did smoke, she did a good job hiding her habit in the first one. You're right, Brett did enjoy a smoke here and there.
Kane smoked, Brett smoked, not sure if you see Ripley smoking on screen. She likes a beer though.
QuoteI also pointed out that she acted like she didn't even want to be there.
None of them did, except perhaps Kane. They're not explorers; they're tug jockies. It's a job and not an exciting one.
QuoteShe seemed to be a pain in the neck to the "officer" crew in much of the same way Parker was a thorn in Ripley's side.
Nah Ripley was the pain in the neck, being such a stickler, while the others just wanted to do the minimum effort and go home.
Not sure of the relevance of her back story though.
QuoteOh.....she had two ex-husbands. Wow. Joan was a rolling stone. LOL. I can see why she did have two ex-husbands. She was neurotic as hell and I know if she freaked out around me, that would cause me to freak out, and I got torched by the most freaked out person ever, i.e. Dietrich! LOL.
Or, maybe her husbands were arseholes. Who knows.
Quote from: SM on Oct 10, 2019, 11:47:41 PM
Kane smoked, Brett smoked, not sure if you see Ripley smoking on screen. She likes a beer though.
QuoteI also pointed out that she acted like she didn't even want to be there.
None of them did, except perhaps Kane. They're not explorers; they're tug jockies. It's a job and not an exciting one.
QuoteShe seemed to be a pain in the neck to the "officer" crew in much of the same way Parker was a thorn in Ripley's side.
Nah Ripley was the pain in the neck, being such a stickler, while the others just wanted to do the minimum effort and go home.
Not sure of the relevance of her back story though.
QuoteOh.....she had two ex-husbands. Wow. Joan was a rolling stone. LOL. I can see why she did have two ex-husbands. She was neurotic as hell and I know if she freaked out around me, that would cause me to freak out, and I got torched by the most freaked out person ever, i.e. Dietrich! LOL.
Or, maybe her husbands were arseholes. Who knows.
Going by the crew manifest, perhaps Lambert was ambitious and career-minded. The two guys she married were her training / work superiors.
I think Ripley was originally supposed to be seen smoking onscreen but Ridley Scott (or someone else) thought she looked goofy holding a cigarette, so her smoking scenes were dropped.
Yeah I noticed that about Lambert. Considering her career path though, I don't think she married them for career reasons.
@SM
Okay...let me break it down to you even further since you didn't read between the lines the first time I made that allusion....
Yes, none of them wanted to be out there. Lambert, however, couldn't hide her contempt for being out there. She seemed like it was the worst thing ever. Like she had just earned her MBA in Finance, but yet working at McDonald's. The rest of the crew, albeit, ate up, at least tried to hide their contempt at being with people they didn't like and being on an 18 wheeler in space. Sometimes, Parker let his contempt shine through when it meant that he had an advantage over others or if he was venting to Brett (who was pretty much a brick wall anyway).
When did I ever say they were explorers? I said that most of them kept their contempt to themselves. I even said in the beginning of the post, one of my first paragraphs, that none of them got along, which is what I liked about the original movie. In Aliens, most of the crew got along, they had to, because that meant life or death.
Again, where did I say they were "explorers"?
To be real, I don't even think Kane wanted to be there. He just had the most "benevolent" personality, so to speak. He still was pretty antagonistic towards Lambert, so your point is....?
I mentioned 'explorers' because explorers would want to be out in space and an example of a contrast to people who didn't want to be there.
As for hiding contempt? Again, it's not just Lambert. Parker pushes Dallas patience. Ripley doesn't hide her disdain at having to work with Parker and Brett on several occasions. Parker rather childishly asks Ash to get out of his seat, then theatrically wipes it clean.
Kane wasn't antagonistic towards anyone. One weary line to tell her to quit griping, doesn't spell antagonism; just mild irritation.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
You mean her whining during the trip to the Derelict?
And her generally unenthusiastic attitude towards everything. She never comes across as a terribly strong individual.
By contrast Parker is also unenthusiastic and unimpressed with the situation, but in a more stand-offish and aggressive manner.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 11, 2019, 05:53:50 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 10, 2019, 09:32:42 PM
You mean her whining during the trip to the Derelict?
And her generally unenthusiastic attitude towards everything. She never comes across as a terribly strong individual.
By contrast Parker is also unenthusiastic and unimpressed with the situation, but in a more stand-offish and aggressive manner.
When pushed, she can be just as aggressive as Parker. She openly questioned Ripley's sanity when hearing her proposal to continue with Dallas's plan. Her earlier, violent assault on Ripley and shutting down Ash are extreme examples. Definitely a high-strung individual.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 11, 2019, 07:16:34 AM
When pushed, she can be just as aggressive as Parker. She openly questioned Ripley's sanity when hearing her proposal to continue with Dallas's plan. Her earlier, violent assault on Ripley and shutting down Ash are extreme examples. Definitely a high-strung individual.
High strung, yes, strong, no. Her questioning of Ripley is the start of her breaking down and crying, it's not exactly assertive.
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2019, 04:51:35 AM
I mentioned 'explorers' because explorers would want to be out in space and an example of a contrast to people who didn't want to be there.
As for hiding contempt? Again, it's not just Lambert. Parker pushes Dallas patience. Ripley doesn't hide her disdain at having to work with Parker and Brett on several occasions. Parker rather childishly asks Ash to get out of his seat, then theatrically wipes it clean.
Kane wasn't antagonistic towards anyone. One weary line to tell her to quit griping, doesn't spell antagonism; just mild irritation.
Hey SM. Gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding. However, I don't believe Kane to be as innocent as people make him out to be. He was the crew member we saw the least amount of. I agree, he was quiet, reserved, laid back, from what we saw. Like I said, he was the most good-natured of the crew, but certainly had his share of irritation towards the others.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 11, 2019, 07:48:06 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Oct 11, 2019, 07:16:34 AM
When pushed, she can be just as aggressive as Parker. She openly questioned Ripley's sanity when hearing her proposal to continue with Dallas's plan. Her earlier, violent assault on Ripley and shutting down Ash are extreme examples. Definitely a high-strung individual.
High strung, yes, strong, no. Her questioning of Ripley is the start of her breaking down and crying, it's not exactly assertive.
Once again, SiL, I agree. I'm about to kick back and watch Alien again to spot the exact moment when she just gave the fvck up and shut down. I'm thinking it was Brett's death, coupled with the accelerated rate of the creature's growth, and it's saveragy that had a pronounced effect on her.
Nah not really. When Parker arced up about not being a rescue ship, Kane starts to try and reasonably explain their obligations, while Ash appeals to the captain who yells at Parker.
Yes, we spent the least time with him. He's dead by the half way mark, and spends half of that time in a coma. But as far as we see he's the most genial of the crew.
There's even a bit in the novelisation where Parker and Brett agree they like Kane more than Dallas.
Okay.
I got NECA Lambert in the compression suit and the Drone.
@SM, what's the name of the company that sells the Retro Alien figures? I will probably put those on my desk at work.
ReAction I think.
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2019, 08:11:56 PM
ReAction I think.
Thank you, Sir! I just don't want any of these dumbasses at work asking me what series this is from. I'm unfortunately part of that "Millennial" group (although I hate it) ,though I believe myself to be a part of Gen X. I may just get all seven of the crew and have them on my desk along with the Drone.
Is it just me, or was the Drone a bad muthaf**ka? Like, he wiped that whole team out in less than 24 hours......I guess that was the point. That's f**kin deep now that I think about it. A drone wiped the Nostromo Crew out. I haven't beaten Alien Isolation (I like to savor my games like fine wine), but wasn't the Xenomorph there as Drone as well?
FUNKOxSuper7 created the ReAction line up of 3.75 inch figures. The partnership split a few years back and now Super7 exclusively makes them.
Since 2013, all 7 crew members (including Jones as an accessory to Ripley in a recent 3 pack) of the Nostromo are now available in that format. There are now 21 variants of the Alien.
ALIENS ReAction figures are coming soon. Marines Vasquez, Hudson and Hicks will be joined by android Bishop, Newt and Ripley. 3 variant xenomorph figures will complete the set of 9 figures. No release date available other than "soon".
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Pvt_Frost on Oct 13, 2019, 01:32:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2019, 08:11:56 PM
ReAction I think.
Thank you, Sir! I just don't want any of these dumbasses at work asking me what series this is from. I'm unfortunately part of that "Millennial" group (although I hate it) ,though I believe myself to be a part of Gen X. I may just get all seven of the crew and have them on my desk along with the Drone.
Is it just me, or was the Drone a bad muthaf**ka? Like, he wiped that whole team out in less than 24 hours......I guess that was the point. That's f**kin deep now that I think about it. A drone wiped the Nostromo Crew out. I haven't beaten Alien Isolation (I like to savor my games like fine wine), but wasn't the Xenomorph there as Drone as well?
Drones and warriors are the same thing (unless it's a video game or unused script draft concept). And it really only killed just over half the crew (if you don't count Kane, Ash and Ripley). It is interesting though that it was the crew's turf, yet they failed miserably.
Quote from: windebieste on Oct 13, 2019, 02:36:06 AM
FUNKOxSuper7 created the ReAction line up of 3.75 inch figures. The partnership split a few years back and now Super7 exclusively makes them.
Since 2013, all 7 crew members (including Jones as an accessory to Ripley in a recent 3 pack) of the Nostromo are now available in that format. There are now 21 variants of the Alien.
ALIENS ReAction figures are coming soon. Marines Vasquez, Hudson and Hicks will be joined by android Bishop, Newt and Ripley. 3 variant xenomorph figures will complete the set of 9 figures. No release date available other than "soon".
-Windebieste.
Wow... thanks, man. That was a lot of useful information. I had no idea they made a Ripley and Jones pack. I might as well get all of the crew and the Drone.
Quote from: SM on Oct 13, 2019, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Pvt_Frost on Oct 13, 2019, 01:32:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2019, 08:11:56 PM
ReAction I think.
Thank you, Sir! I just don't want any of these dumbasses at work asking me what series this is from. I'm unfortunately part of that "Millennial" group (although I hate it) ,though I believe myself to be a part of Gen X. I may just get all seven of the crew and have them on my desk along with the Drone.
Is it just me, or was the Drone a bad muthaf**ka? Like, he wiped that whole team out in less than 24 hours......I guess that was the point. That's f**kin deep now that I think about it. A drone wiped the Nostromo Crew out. I haven't beaten Alien Isolation (I like to savor my games like fine wine), but wasn't the Xenomorph there as Drone as well?
Drones and warriors are the same thing (unless it's a video game or unused script draft concept). And it really only killed just over half the crew (if you don't count Kane, Ash and Ripley). It is interesting though that it was the crew's turf, yet they failed miserably.
Wait....Drones and Warriors are the same? I thought they were part of a different caste? I thought the Drones were the ones who worked inside of the Hive, were closer to the Queen, and built the Hives. I thought the Warriors were the ones who actually defended the Hive, went out and kicked ass, and were the more aggressive bunch.
Nah, those distinction are only made for things like video games as they're handy to describe different enemies. The script for Aliens had smaller albino Aliens that tended the eggs and Queen that Cameron called drones, but he dropped them.
Quote from: Pvt_Frost on Oct 13, 2019, 03:22:43 PM
Wait....Drones and Warriors are the same? I thought they were part of a different caste? I thought the Drones were the ones who worked inside of the Hive, were closer to the Queen, and built the Hives. I thought the Warriors were the ones who actually defended the Hive, went out and kicked ass, and were the more aggressive bunch.
You forgot the Praetorians.
If anything the "Drone" is more independent as so far as we know the "Warrior" appearance only begins to show when an active hive exists.
Initially, the Alien born from Russ Jordan must've been quite active.
Of course, I thought it clear my intention was saying that it always begins with them taking on a "Drone" appearance until the hive reaches a certain number, you certainly do not consider one Alien and numerous hosts an active hive.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 09, 2019, 02:24:30 PM
Of course, I thought it clear my intention was saying that it always begins with them taking on a "Drone" appearance until the hive reaches a certain number, you certainly do not consider one Alien and numerous hosts an active hive.
The loss of the carapace could be due to age and nothing to do with the hive, or maybe Cameron's creatures were mutants?
The creatures in ALIENS were just as active (or inactive) as the first Alien.
Look I don't want to repeat myself again, but I was saying the HIVE was active in the sequel- in comparison to the original Alien (1979 Film) with considerably more hosts being infected, resulting in a large Alien population- I was not referring to the behaviour of the Alien population itself. And we know the retaining or losing the carapace isn't because of age, because of Isolation. That's why I suggest it's a number of them lose it when the population reaches a certain number, perhaps it's for camouflage in the biomechanical territory.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 09, 2019, 07:36:07 PM
I'm trying not to get irritated repeating myself here, but I was saying the HIVE was active- in comparison to the original Alien (1979 Film) meaning Eggs being created, resulting in Aliens- I was not referring to the Alien behaviour of the population itself. And we know the retaining or losing the carapace isn't because of age, because of Isolation.
Eggs were being created in the nest onboard the
Nostromo too, but on a much smaller scale than an egg-laying Queen.
How do you know the carapace is retained or lost due to isolation?
No, that's a deleted scene- so it does not count. Granted, included in a version of the film but a version only really created for marketing and nothing more and even then the scene itself is so obviously out of place, in a version the Director doesn't prefer and arguably contradicts the rest of the Anthology. And I was referring to Alien Isolation, starring Amanda Ripley. The Alien on Sevastopol is nearly a full month older than the ones seen in any part of the Alien Trilogy, and yet the carapace stayed present.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 09, 2019, 09:16:36 PM
No, that's a deleted scene- so it does not count. Granted, included in a version of the film but a version only really created for marketing and nothing more and even then the scene itself is so obviously out of place, in a version the Director doesn't prefer and arguably contradicts the rest of the Anthology. And I was referring to Alien Isolation, starring Amanda Ripley. Fairly sure the Alien on Sevastopol is older than the ones seen in any part of the Alien Trilogy, and yet the carapace stayed present.
If a decades-later computer game can be considered canon - or certain aspects of it, then a deleted scene that exists in script, novelisation and alternate cut, still has some relevance.
It does seem an odd distinction.
We don't really know how old any of the creatures are on Sevastopol. Could've been weeks like Hadley, could've been a few days like Fiorina (setting aside the actual reason they all have smooth heads).
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 09, 2019, 09:16:36 PM
No, that's a deleted scene- so it does not count. Granted, included in a version of the film but a version only really created for marketing and nothing more and even then the scene itself is so obviously out of place, in a version the Director doesn't prefer and arguably contradicts the rest of the Anthology.
Yeah, when we get down to film canon brass tax, I'm definitely in lockstep with this.
Also I'll say it isn't the version that James Cameron and David Fincher created sequels to, allowing for room for their interpretation of the lifecycle that's now iconic- and I'm not saying it's impossible for Ovomorphing to co-exist with the status quo, but it certainly requires more firm ground in canon in my opinion. My apologies it appears I'm incorrect about my Isolation assessment- judging by the timeline the Sevastopol Alien at the oldest is roughly six days younger than the ones we see in Aliens. Unless Isolation's events concerning Amanda Ripley take place over the course of a week or more.
Maybe the carapace fell off due to malnutrition like when fingernails get brittle from the same thing.
The aliens on LV-426 had exhausted their food and host supply until Ripley and crew showed up.
The Isolation xenos still had plenty of snacks, and Big Chap was alive for a pretty short period of time too. Of course, like SM said, this is ignoring the true reasons and just trying to get an in-universe explanation.
That's an interesting theory I like that I've never seen before.
Quote from: razeak on Dec 11, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
The aliens on LV-426 had exhausted their food and host supply until Ripley and crew showed up.
Only just. The marines find a colonist as she bursts, meaning the Aliens were still picking people up within the last day or so. We also don't know if there were more "fresh" colonists elsewhere in the hive.
Yeah, but say it is the last, it's a possibility the Queen is the priority, so the others must starve and hibernate, judging also by the skeletons.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 12, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Quote from: razeak on Dec 11, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
The aliens on LV-426 had exhausted their food and host supply until Ripley and crew showed up.
Only just. The marines find a colonist as she bursts, meaning the Aliens were still picking people up within the last day or so. We also don't know if there were more "fresh" colonists elsewhere in the hive.
Right, but for all intents and purposes, they were down to the last few (assuming 1 or 2 more holdouts were hiding somewhere else), and had been using quite a few for host material that they didn't appear to be consuming afterwards(mostly). Whatever calorie needs they have, we're talking about dozens, possibly a hundred xenos. We could also speculate that they recognized the absence of potential hosts and may have been saving food for the queen to keep the egg process going as that would be a better bet for the species survival.
What does a xeno weigh I wonder? 300 lbs? Maybe that even explained their dormancy. Maybe the cowl can grow back with sufficient nutrition. What effect does hive building have on their bodies? What calories would they need to sustain it? What does that do for their ability to problem solve? What does it do for their behavior (explaining the difference between the warriors and Big chap)? Is it possible the Marines ran into a weakened nest (surely early stage breakdown)?
Lol, maybe the even shrink to the same size as stunt suit actors!
Yes! I can really get behind the idea, especially because if you look at the Alien in Covenant it's so far beyond them, and the one in Alien is toying with it's mostly weaponless prey.
Getting back to Lambert, her reaction to being confronted by the creature was a natural one that fit the character. Freezing the way she did, backed into a corner with no space to move, was a hopeless situation for her.
It's interesting in the way each character reacts to their (final) encounter with the Alien, fits with earlier moments in the film.
Logically (within the film), they behave according to what is revealed about their personalities:
Brett is seen stunned (perhaps frozen) as the infant emerges from Kane, and later, the same response to facing the adult before being attacked. His buddy, Parker - prone to heroics - a reckless character flaw that gets him killed.
The only genuine surprise (characterwise) being Ash, but even here there are clues as to his inhuman nature throughout the film.
Quote from: razeak on Dec 12, 2019, 03:35:35 PM
Whatever calorie needs they have
Which appears to be zero, considering they grow to full size without ever being seen to eat.
I think the one in Alien 3 appeared to eat.
Was it the novelization that mentioned the chest burster in relation to the food stores or am I misremembering?
Alien 3 and Requiem show eating.
Alien had it scripted that the Alien raided the food lockers; the novel also has it, but it's conspicuously absent in the film. All films are consistent that they don't appear to need to eat to grow. Requiem, for what it's worth, shows that the domed/ridged distinction is made at birth.
Considering some of the Aliens in the hive are relatively fresh in Aliens, you'd still expect to see some domes even if it's a malnourishment thing.
I don't disagree. I think the theory can fit easily though. I had just thought about a more recent batch of xenos a few minutes ago.
As for not needing to eat to grow, I agree there too. That's pretty much shown on film. I also think there is plenty of wriggle room to allow that they can't necessarily continue that metabolism for more than a couple of days without negative effects.
That's also assuming we are forced to explain away the lack of cowl in Aliens from an in-universe perspective. Could just be the newer ones weren't directly observed in all the confusion and chaos.
Now I've got this nagging foreskin comparison in mind trying to take hold. Lol. Yuck
H.R Giger approves.
Quote from: razeak on Dec 13, 2019, 02:48:12 AM
That's also assuming we are forced to explain away the lack of cowl in Aliens from an in-universe perspective.
Requiem offers a neat explanation: they weren't born with them.
The bursters in Requiem all have smooth heads or am I missing something?
You are. What I mean is they all grow immediately into Aliens with no domes -- there's no moulting, no dome falling off, nothing. Whatever process would create the dome just doesn't happen and they go straight to exposed ridged skulls.
Just disgusting. lol
Quote from: SiL on Dec 13, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
You are. What I mean is they all grow immediately into Aliens with no domes -- there's no moulting, no dome falling off, nothing. Whatever process would create the dome just doesn't happen and they go straight to exposed ridged skulls.
I just fansplained that away by saying they moulted off screen at a much faster rate similar to the sped up gestation in AvP.
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-11-2015/ejwGbP.gif)
People can say it doesn't make any sense but I don't think Giger would have much of a problem with an alien doing that type of humping.
You don't know the man then, H.R Giger's said when it becomes that devoid of subtext, it essentially becomes ridiculous.