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Posted by SpaceKase
 - Jul 27, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 27, 2020, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Jul 27, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 27, 2020, 03:45:35 PM
Sadly all 4 of those still need added to the collection.  Same for pretty much all the alien novels.  This is very much a long term project!  Lol. I really hope we eventually get reprints of the DH Predator novels.  There's no way I can justify their current price.

If you ever want to collaborate or anything send me a message!  I love working out reading orders / timelines

Heck yeah, it's a kind of fresh madness for sure, but charting the order that emerges out of large chaotic datasets is my jam. I've got this series of chronological recuts of several comics I've put together as I've been working through them, the whole Earth War saga was a blast to sort all out and I've been able to reorient it to be compatible with the William Gibson version of Alien 3. I'd love to get my mitts on a copy of the Weyland Yutani Report as well.

Getting ready to start either Alien or AvP comics tonight.  Eager for both but also not sure I'm ready for the task...lol

I've got a copy of the report, haven't flipped through it in awhile.  Anything in particular you are looking for from it?

The unique stuff mostly, esp as pertains to the AI's, Alien Theory did some bits on it, there's this really interesting undercurrent throughout the Aliens stories involving the evolution of synthetic intelligence and when it begins to break away from humanity, either in silent parental protection of it or in secretive efforts to obliterate or hobble it, perhaps for humanity's own good. I know the Report has some bits regarding the Synths beginning to build their own sometime in the 2240's which is right around the time of the the Big Deletion, so that pivotal time is rife for story telling.

Preceding that occurrence there's an interesting tidbit from one of the AvP games, 2 I believe, that makes mention of a Supreme Court case involving Synth rights and personhood. There's a ton of mysteries in the lore, from Davis's origins and ultimate fate, CONRAD the big central AI mainframe of WY, to the mysterious creators of the synthetic Ripley Replicant from the Perry novels, right back to the mysterious Benefactors of Ash himself. Not even mentioning crazy-pants David.


Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 27, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
Yes, researching this kind of stuff is kinda therapeutic.  Good excuse to re-read and buy the stuff I was missing too!  Lol

For a lot of the DH Predator stuff I just placed them as happening when they were published since they were basically current events story setting wise.

[...]

I've been trying to track down stuff for the Alien RPG and some NECA card backs lately while working in n the re-read

Yeah dude, I'd love to dig in to some of that NECA lore material too. If you want to compare notes here's the basic vers of the solo Pred stuff from my grand timeline, none of the subtimes are listed here since I'm *attempting* to keep these posts succinct. But I'm especially curious about your take on the Det Schafer stories and the future timeline stories like Gameworld, Indigenous Species, or Chained to Life and Death.

820.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - g. Skeld's Keep   explicitly stated
1195.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - k. Three Sparks   dead reckoning
1718.0000   Predator - 1718   explicitly stated
1863.0502   Predator - If It Bleeds - b. Stonewall's Last Stand   explicitly stated
1863.0900   Predator - Hell Come a Walkin'   explicitly stated
1885.0900   Predator - If It Bleeds - m. Buffalo Jump   dead reckoning
1896.0000   Predator - Nemesis   explicitly stated
1916.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - d. May Blood Pave My Way Home   explicitly stated
1926.0823   Predator - God's Truth   reasoned deduction
1931.0700   Predator - Strange Roux   explicitly stated
1933.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - i. Blood and Sand   explicitly stated
1936.0816   Predator - The Pride at Nghasa   explicitly stated
1937.0000   Predator - Demon's Gold   dead reckoning
1947.0000   Predator - The Hunted City   explicitly stated
1959.0000   Predator - Invaders from the Fourth Dimension   explicitly stated
1968.0100   Predator - If It Bleeds - o. Recon   explicitly stated
1983.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - l. The Pilot   reasoned deduction
1987.0000   Predator   explicitly stated
1989.0700   Predator - Concrete Jungle   reasoned deduction
1990.0000   Predator - Race War (short story)   reasoned deduction
1990.0600   Predator - Cold War   explicitly stated
1992.0000   Predator - The Bloody Sands of Time   dead reckoning
1992.0000   Predator - Rite of Passage   reasoned deduction
1992.0000   Predator - Race War (series)   explicitly stated
1992.1100   Predator - Blood Feud   refine this
1993.0000   Predator - Bad Blood (short story)   dead reckoning
1993.0000   Predator - Bad Blood (series)   dead reckoning
1994.0000   Predator - Blood on Two-Witch Mesa   dead reckoning
1994.0820   Predator - Big Game   reasoned deduction
1996.0800   Predator - Dark River   explicitly stated
1996.1200   Predator - Kindred   reasoned deduction
1997.0300   Predator - No Beast So Fierce   refine this
1997.0400   Predator - Hell & Hot Water   refine this
1997.0700   Predator - Primal   refine this
1997.0702   Predator 2   explicitly stated
1997.0708   Predator - Stalking Shadows   reasoned deduction
1997.0800   Predator - Bump in the Night   refine this
1998.0914   Predator - Homeworld   reasoned deduction
2005.0829   Predator - If It Bleeds - e. Storm Blood   explicitly stated
2008.0000   Predator - South China Sea   refine this
2008.0300   Predator - Turnabout   reasoned deduction
2009.0000   Predator (2009 short story)   dead reckoning
2010.0000   Predators - A Predatory Life   dead reckoning
2010.0000   Predators - Welcome to the Jungle   dead reckoning
2010.0000   Predators - Preserve the Game   refine this
2010.0000   Predators - Moments of Extraction   refine this
2010.0000   Predators - Crucified [sic]   refine this
2010.0000   Predators   dead reckoning
2016.0000   Predator - Hunter and Hunted   reasoned deduction
2017.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - c. Rematch   reasoned deduction
2017.0000   Predator - Hunters   reasoned deduction
2017.0000   Predator - Hunters II   refine this
2017.0000   Predator - Hunters III   refine this
2018.0000   The Predator   refine this
2019.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - Tin Warrior   refine this
2022.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - n. Drug War   explicitly stated
2025.0400   Predator - Hunting Grounds   refine this
2030.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - p. Gameworld   refine this
2107.0000   Predator - Flesh and Blood   refine this
2117.0000   Predator - Forever Midnight   refine this
2186.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - h. Indigenous Species   refine this
2370.0000   Predator - If It Bleeds - f. Last Report from the KSS Psychopomp   refine this

If you've got any questions about my rationale for any of these. or if any of your findings differ drastically I'd love to get your perspective.
Posted by lightsyder
 - Jul 27, 2020, 04:47:56 PM
Quote from: SpaceKase on Jul 27, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 27, 2020, 03:45:35 PM
Sadly all 4 of those still need added to the collection.  Same for pretty much all the alien novels.  This is very much a long term project!  Lol. I really hope we eventually get reprints of the DH Predator novels.  There's no way I can justify their current price.

If you ever want to collaborate or anything send me a message!  I love working out reading orders / timelines

Heck yeah, it's a kind of fresh madness for sure, but charting the order that emerges out of large chaotic datasets is my jam. I've got this series of chronological recuts of several comics I've put together as I've been working through them, the whole Earth War saga was a blast to sort all out and I've been able to reorient it to be compatible with the William Gibson version of Alien 3. I'd love to get my mitts on a copy of the Weyland Yutani Report as well.

Getting ready to start either Alien or AvP comics tonight.  Eager for both but also not sure I'm ready for the task...lol

I've got a copy of the report, haven't flipped through it in awhile.  Anything in particular you are looking for from it?
Posted by SpaceKase
 - Jul 27, 2020, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 27, 2020, 03:45:35 PM
Sadly all 4 of those still need added to the collection.  Same for pretty much all the alien novels.  This is very much a long term project!  Lol. I really hope we eventually get reprints of the DH Predator novels.  There's no way I can justify their current price.

If you ever want to collaborate or anything send me a message!  I love working out reading orders / timelines

Heck yeah, it's a kind of fresh madness for sure, but charting the order that emerges out of large chaotic datasets is my jam. I've got this series of chronological recuts of several comics I've put together as I've been working through them, the whole Earth War saga was a blast to sort all out and I've been able to reorient it to be compatible with the William Gibson version of Alien 3. I'd love to get my mitts on a copy of the Weyland Yutani Report as well.
Posted by lightsyder
 - Jul 27, 2020, 03:45:35 PM
Sadly all 4 of those still need added to the collection.  Same for pretty much all the alien novels.  This is very much a long term project!  Lol. I really hope we eventually get reprints of the DH Predator novels.  There's no way I can justify their current price.

If you ever want to collaborate or anything send me a message!  I love working out reading orders / timelines
Posted by SpaceKase
 - Jul 27, 2020, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 27, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
Yes, researching this kind of stuff is kinda therapeutic.  Good excuse to re-read and buy the stuff I was missing too!  Lol

For a lot of the DH Predator stuff I just placed them as happening when they were published since they were basically current events story setting wise.

What's Aliens Decent?

I've been trying to track down stuff for the Alien RPG and some NECA card backs lately while working in n the re-read

Check out this sweet retrospective that RidgeTop just published:
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/express-elevator-to-hell-alien-descent-attraction-retrospective/

It seems like it was a part of the Josh Izzo-era "Read. Watch. Play." initiative from a couple years back when every thing coming out was super connected. It appears to be set very shortly after Sea of Sorrows since the story returns to a devastated LV-178. The orientation video has a somewhat cockamamie map based on the Chung>Middlebrook>de Lauzarika map that's been developing the last several years and is the basis for the new RPG's map, although they've all got some artistic interpretations going on. Pretty rad still.

But yeah man, they whole reason I've been working on this is to build a foundation for the 3D star map I've been putting together, but the timeline itself is a right starbeast all on its own, it's too cool that you're diving in as well. Have you gotten your hands on any of the 4 DH Press Pred novels? They are painful gaps in my dataset that I've only been able get 2nd hand info on.
Posted by lightsyder
 - Jul 27, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
Yes, researching this kind of stuff is kinda therapeutic.  Good excuse to re-read and buy the stuff I was missing too!  Lol

For a lot of the DH Predator stuff I just placed them as happening when they were published since they were basically current events story setting wise.

What's Aliens Decent?

I've been trying to track down stuff for the Alien RPG and some NECA card backs lately while working in n the re-read
Posted by SpaceKase
 - Jul 27, 2020, 05:58:38 AM
Quote from: lightsyder on Jul 27, 2020, 03:19:15 AM
Very awesome SpaceKase!  This is exactly what I'm building and I have this complete for the Predator side if you'd like to take a look.  My end goal is a massive chronological order with continuity selectors so you can hide / view based on what era or canon level your are looking for.  Can't wait to pursue this list!

Aw, thanks man! Yeah, it's been keeping me sane through this traumatic year we're living though.

I've got the Predator ones integrated into my list too, I just posted a big Hunting Grounds detailed breakdown in another thread, but I only put up the Aliens and AvP specific ones in this thread since that was the topic, let me know if you want to see the grand list altogether sometime. It's always being tweaked and refined as I integrate more perspectives, so it's sort of a living document. Most recently I've been adding-in the rad Aliens: Decent stuff that Ridgetop just wrote about. I'd love to see where you placed some of the more ambiguous stories from the Pred side of the 'verse.
Posted by lightsyder
 - Jul 27, 2020, 03:19:15 AM
Very awesome SpaceKase!  This is exactly what I'm building and I have this complete for the Predator side if you'd like to take a look.  My end goal is a massive chronological order with continuity selectors so you can hide / view based on what era or canon level your are looking for.  Can't wait to pursue this list!
Posted by SpaceKase
 - Jul 26, 2020, 07:14:30 PM
In general, Publication Order is always the way to go. But, just for fun, if you want to read the stories Chronologically, here's something I've been putting together, or, at least the Aliens & AvP sections

The Date format is yyyy.mmdd
Many of these figures disagree with SM's, but each deviation has precise and specific reasoning behind it; which I'm happy to go into if anyone is curious enough. But, given that many of these are Comic specific, it's all been Banned by Corporate Governor's decree, anyway!

Note: Just "Ctrl F" on your keyboard to locate any specific title, and Have a Blast!

1950      Aliens - Earth Angel   reasoned deduction
1995.0900   Aliens - Incubation   dead reckoning
1999      AvP - e. Old Secrets   reasoned deduction
2004      Alien vs Predator [Film]   explicitly stated
2004.1000   AvP - Requiem   reasoned deduction
2007      AvP - Sand Trap   dead reckoning
2009      Predator - Prey to the Heavens   reasoned deduction
2014      Predator - Captive   reasoned deduction
2024      AvP - Eternal   reasoned deduction
2030      Predator - Concrete Jungle (Eurocom, PS2 Xbox game)   explicitly stated
2053      Predator - Xenogenesis   dead reckoning
2058      Aliens - Steel Egg   refine this
2093      Prometheus   explicitly stated
2099      Aliens - Elder Gods (Special - b)   explicitly stated
2099      AvP - Xenogenesis   dead reckoning


2103      Alien - Covenant - Origins   reasoned deduction
2104      Alien - Covenant   explicitly stated
2115      Alien - Echo   refine this
2119.0801   Alien 40th Anniversary Short - Harvest   dead reckoning
2122.0603   Alien   reasoned deduction
2125      Alien 40th Anniversary Short - Alone   refine this
2125      Alien 40th Anniversary Short - Containment   refine this
2125      Alien 40th Anniversary Short - Ore   refine this
2125      Alien 40th Anniversary Short - Specimen   refine this
2135      Aliens - Bug Hunt - a. Chance Encounter   refine this
2137.1117   Aliens - Defiance   explicitly stated
2137.1206   Alien - Isolation (comic tie-in)   reasoned deduction
2137.1211   Alien - Isolation (Sega, PS4 Xbox One game)   explicitly stated
2137.1211   Alien - Isolation [novel, unclear designation]   refine this
2137.1225   Alien Blackout (D3 Go!, FoxNext mobile game)   reasoned deduction
2138      Alien Anthology - 6-Part Dossier   reasoned deduction
2140.1100   Aliens - Prototype   refine this
2140.1200   Aliens - Resistance   explicitly stated
2141      Aliens - Fast Track to Heaven   reasoned deduction
2142      Aliens - Apocalypse   reasoned deduction
2142      Aliens - Once in a Lifetime   refine this
2142.0500   Aliens - Colonial Marines - Rising Threat   dead reckoning
2145      Aliens - Rescue   refine this
2150      AvP - Thicker Than Blood   wild speculation
2155      Aliens - Bug Hunt - p. Distressed   wild speculation
2159      Alien - Out of the Shadows   explicitly stated
2160      Aliens - Inhuman Condition   refine this
2164.0204   Alien 40th Anniversary Short - Night Shift   explicitly stated
2173      Aliens - Xenogenesis   dead reckoning
2174      Aliens - Bug Hunt - b. Reaper   refine this
2175      Aliens - Bug Hunt - f. Exterminators   refine this
2176      Aliens - Bug Hunt - e. Blowback   refine this
2176.0300   Aliens - Bug Hunt - d. Reclamation   dead reckoning
2178      Aliens - Bug Hunt - c. Broken   refine this
2179      Aliens   explicitly stated
2179      ACM - Stasis Interrupted (Gearbox, Darkside, DLC)   dead reckoning
2179      Alien - River of Pain   refine this
2179      Aliens - Bug Hunt - g. No Good Deed   refine this
2179      Aliens - Bug Hunt - i. Dark Mother   refine this
2179.0621   Aliens - Newt's Tale   reasoned deduction
2179.0703   Fire and Stone - 03 Aliens   explicitly stated
2179.0727   Fire and Stone - 02 Aliens - Field Report   explicitly stated
2179.0808   Alien 3   refine this
2179.0821   Aliens - Bug Hunt - k. Deep Background   refine this
2179.1124   Aliens - Colonial Marines - No Man Left Behind   explicitly stated
2180      Aliens - Space Marines [Kenner]   dead reckoning
2180      Aliens - Bug Hunt - j. Episode 22   refine this
2180.0114   Aliens - Colonial Marines (Gearbox, PS3 Xbox360 game)   explicitly stated
2180.0720   Alien - The Cold Forge   explicitly stated
2181      Aliens - Survival   dead reckoning
2182.0709   Aliens - Bug Hunt - h. Zero to Hero   explicitly stated
2183      Aliens - Bug Hunt - n. Hugs to Die For   reasoned deduction
2183.0117   William Gibson's Alien 3   reasoned deduction
2185      AvP - Deadspace   refine this
2187      Operation - Aliens (comic)   reasoned deduction
2188      Aliens vs. Predator {3} (Rebellion, PS3, PC game)   dead reckoning
2189      Aliens versus Predator (Rebellion, PC game)   explicitly stated
2189      Aliens - Bug Hunt - o. Deep Black   explicitly stated
2190      Aliens - Theory of Alien Propagation   reasoned deduction
2191.0300   Aliens vs. Predator (1989 short story)   reasoned deduction
2191.0405   Aliens vs. Predator (series aka Prey)   reasoned deduction
2191.1001   Aliens - Outbreak (aka Earth Hive, aka Book 1)   explicitly stated
2192.0400   AvP - Blood Time   reasoned deduction
2193.0600   Aliens vs. Predator (epilogue 1991 short story)   dead reckoning
2193.0603   Aliens - Countdown   reasoned deduction
2193.0722   Aliens - Nightmare Asylum   reasoned deduction
2193.0800   Aliens - Earth War (aka Female War)   reasoned deduction
2193.0901   Aliens - The Alien   reasoned deduction
2193.1031   Aliens - Crusade   reasoned deduction
2194.0300   Aliens vs. Predator II (aka War #0)   reasoned deduction
2194.0600   AvP - Duel   reasoned deduction
2194.0700   Aliens - Berserker (aka Frenzy)   reasoned deduction
2194.0800   AvP - War   refine this
2195      Aliens - Tribes   reasoned deduction
2197      Aliens - Bug Hunt - l. Empty Nest   refine this
2198      Aliens - Rogue   refine this
2199      Aliens - Colonial Marines   reasoned deduction


2200      Aliens - Advent-Terminus   educated guesswork
2201      Aliens - Lucky   reasoned deduction
2201      Aliens - Reapers   dead reckoning
2201      Aliens - Stalker   refine this
2202.0315   Aliens - More Than Human   reasoned deduction
2203.1205   Aliens - Music of the Spears   reasoned deduction
2204      AvP - Three World War   refine this
2209      Aliens - Bug Hunt - q. Dangerous Prey   wild speculation
2211      Aliens - Dust to Dust   dead reckoning
2211      Aliens - Sacrifice   refine this
2212.1000   Aliens - Horror Show   reasoned deduction
2213.0600   AvP - Deadliest of the Species   reasoned deduction
2213.0700   Aliens - Taste   dead reckoning
2213.0800   Aliens - Backsplash   refine this
2213.1100   Aliens - Salvation   refine this
2213.1200   Aliens - Cargo   refine this
2214      Aliens - Genocide   reasoned deduction
2214.0100   Aliens - Alien   dead reckoning
2214.0500   Aliens - Stronghold   refine this
2214.0600   Aliens - Mondo Pest   dead reckoning
2214.1200   AvP - Hunter's Planet    refine this
2215      Aliens - Hive (aka Harvest)   dead reckoning
2216      Aliens - Renegade   reasoned deduction
2216.0200   Aliens - Mondo Heat   dead reckoning
2216.1200   Aliens - Lovesick   dead reckoning
2217.0100   Aliens - Headhunters   dead reckoning
2217.0300   Aliens - Pig   dead reckoning
2217.0500   Aliens - Borderlines   refine this
2217.0610   Aliens - 45 Seconds (Special - a)   dead reckoning
2217.0630   Aliens - Havoc   dead reckoning
2217.0800   Aliens - Purge   reasoned deduction
2217.1200   Aliens - Kidnapped   refine this
2218      Aliens - No Exit   refine this
2218      Aliens - Bug Hunt - m. Darkness Falls   refine this
2218.0200   Aliens - Tourist Season   refine this
2219      AvP - a. Hell-Bent   dead reckoning
2219      AvP - b. Pursuit   reasoned deduction
2219      AvP - c. Lefty's Revenge   dead reckoning
2219.0112   Fire and Stone - 01 Prometheus   explicitly stated
2219.0122   Fire and Stone - 04 AvP   explicitly stated
2219.0123   Fire and Stone - 05 Predator   explicitly stated
2219.0409   Fire and Stone - 06 Prometheus - Omega   explicitly stated
2220.0420   Life and Death - 01 Predator   reasoned deduction
2220.0421   Life and Death - 02 Prometheus   reasoned deduction
2220.0428   Life and Death - 03 Aliens   reasoned deduction
2220.0429   Life and Death - 04 AvP   reasoned deduction
2220.0430   Life and Death - 05 Prometheus - Final Conflict   reasoned deduction
2222      AvP - Booty   refine this
2223      Aliens - Labyrinth   refine this
2225      Aliens - Glass Corridor   reasoned deduction
2227      Aliens - Wraith   reasoned deduction
2228      Aliens - Criminal Enterprise   refine this
2230      Aliens versus Predator 2 - Primal Hunt   explicitly stated
2231      Aliens versus Predator 2 (Sierra, PC game)   explicitly stated

--BD--

2271      AvP - The Web   reasoned deduction
2295      Aliens - Dead Orbit   explicitly stated
2307      Aliens - Alchemy   reasoned deduction
2350      AvP - Thrill of the Hunt   refine this
2351      AvP - Civilized Beasts   refine this
2381      Alien Resurrection   reasoned deduction
2385      Aliens - Original Sin   refine this
2441      AvP - d. Chained to Life and Death   wild speculation
2497      Alien - Sea of Sorrows   explicitly stated
2525.0600   Aliens - Phalanx   reasoned deduction
2688      Predator - If It Bleeds - a. Devil Dogs   refine this
2690      Aliens - Bug Hunt - r. Spite   refine this
2692.0300   Rage War - Predator - Incursion   explicitly stated
2692.0600   Rage War - Alien - Invasion   explicitly stated
2692.0900   Rage War - AvP - Armageddon    explicitly stated


Posted by SM
 - Jul 25, 2020, 10:12:19 AM
More or less.
Posted by lightsyder
 - Jul 24, 2020, 11:21:56 PM
Hmm, so it's kind of its own stand alone sequel tied to Prometheus
Posted by SM
 - Jul 24, 2020, 10:16:39 PM
The most recent continuity didn't include any crossover material - so no F+S and L+D.

Posted by lightsyder
 - Jul 24, 2020, 06:41:56 PM
I love everything interconnecting!  I'm working on a giant reading/viewing/playing order for a merged Alien, AvP, Predator, Prometheus universe.  Trying to work in a piece to differentiate differing continuities.  Sounds like DH with have pre and post 2014 versions

Any other insight you have on the other Alien novels would be very much appreciated as I have yet to ready any except the adaptations of Outbreak, Nightmare Asylum, Female War and genocide
Posted by Xiggz456
 - Jul 24, 2020, 06:28:13 PM
Nope not at all. Some folks don't like the crossover aspect so they tend to exclude it but considering all the connective tissue within the newer timeline (the most recent being the RPG) many of us do indeed include it in the "current" timeline. But alas this current timeline will most likely be rebooted next year anyway.
Posted by lightsyder
 - Jul 24, 2020, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Jul 24, 2020, 04:26:53 PM
They were part of the 2014 reboot along with "Isolation" and the Titan novels "Out of the Shadows", "Sea of Sorrows" and "River of Pain". Specifically "Fire and Stone" has characters that were mentioned in Titan's novel "River of Pain" and the events from "Fire and Stone" were also mentioned in "The Weyland-Yutani Report" (alongside events from "Isolation" and "Out of the Shadows"). As for "Life and Death" it involves the corporation Seegson from "Isolation". Lastly, LV-223 and the ecosystem shown in F&S and L&D are included in the new Alien RPG game that came out last year.

Interesting.  Thanks for the info!  I was surprised to see Seegson get used in L&D.  So the Defiance and late comics don't contradict F&S, L&D and the novels?  I still need to get those to read...so much catching up to do...
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