Richest Noah interview about Alien so far:
"The prequels aside, because those are historical documents, what do we really know about the 'Alien' universe? We know there's a company called Weyland-Yutani. We don't know a lot more about it. We don't know what the government structure is, the politics of it, what's Earth — none of that. That's liberating on some level to not have to thread various needles. But the challenge is also that we're only ever in these artificial environments, the spaceship or a prison or whatever. What does an apartment look like on 'Alien'? That basic stuff of the palette of 'Alien,' the design of that ship, that dripping is so specific. I think that the sweaty aesthetic of 'Alien' plays very well into climate change and the hot, wet future that we're all moving toward. Technology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store.
"What's rooted in the horror of 'Alien' is discovery. The life cycle of this creature, besides being insane, is truly terrifying. It's an egg, and inside that egg is a creature that attaches to your face. I'm already out. But then that creature that attaches to your face lays another creature inside of you — hold on a second. Then that creature bursts out of your chest and grows to 9 feet tall? What is this creature? The experience of watching "Alien" for the first time is so visceral; it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse. [Director] James Cameron was able to take that and turn it into an action movie in which you knew what the life cycle was, so there was the horror of anticipation. But who's laying those eggs? So he added that other element to it. But after that, there's no discovery or surprise, we're just doing that again and again.
The challenge for me is: Is there a way that we can take the audience back to "wait, what's happening? What does this thing do?" That was the first challenge. The second challenge, which is why I think it justifies a show with multiple hours of storytelling, is that it's not just a monster movie. It's about humanity trapped between this primordial "they want to eat us" past and the AI future, and they're both trying to kill us. We've created these tools that are turning on us, or if we program them correctly, we'll go insane. Those elements of humanity, artificial intelligence, trans-humanism — 'what's the future of humanity?' is a really interesting thing to talk about right now. Combined with the revenge of nature — we're experiencing that now as weather or viruses or whatever. If we're in a place where our self-driving cars are gonna kill us, or we're going to drown in them, there's a story to be placed in the middle of that."
https://starsinfocity.com/noah-hawley-on-fargo-season-5-jon-hamms-nipple-rings-and-alien/
A retro-futurist aesthetic confirmed, along with my suspicions that the show will be about the climate crisis. His intention to "remystify the alien" seems more promising when expanded upon.
I think this might be the most enlightening statement on the show to date – and really starts diving into what Hawley actually originally meant when he talked about us being caught between that "primordial past" and "AI future" all those years ago.
You have my sword.
Quote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PM"[...] those are historical documents [...]"
This tickles me.
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Books inside Noah Hawley home office in Austin, Texas.
Existentialism, Ethics, Marxism, a lot of Albert Camus (existentialist), Zizek (socialist), Wes Anderson.
https://starsinfocity.com/noah-hawley-on-fargo-season-5-jon-hamms-nipple-rings-and-alien/
Quote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PMRichest Noah interview about Alien so far:
"The prequels aside, because those are historical documents, what do we really know about the 'Alien' universe? We know there's a company called Weyland-Yutani. We don't know a lot more about it. We don't know what the government structure is, the politics of it, what's Earth — none of that.
Gaska ain't gonna like this!
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Nov 22, 2023, 04:46:29 PMQuote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PMRichest Noah interview about Alien so far:
"The prequels aside, because those are historical documents, what do we really know about the 'Alien' universe? We know there's a company called Weyland-Yutani. We don't know a lot more about it. We don't know what the government structure is, the politics of it, what's Earth — none of that.
Gaska ain't gonna like this!
An RPG is nothing if not malleable by design! ;)
Quote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PMRichest Noah interview about Alien so far:
Excellent find. TY.
QuoteTechnology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store.
Great. Retro futurism was on my wish list. Alien Isolation may have taken it a bit far (VHS video?!?) but in general, Creative Assembly did it well.
Quote... [Director] James Cameron was able to take that and turn it into an action movie in which you knew what the life cycle was, so there was the horror of anticipation. But who's laying those eggs? So he added that other element to it. But after that, there's no discovery or surprise, we're just doing that again and again.
He's wrong about that last point. After Cameron upped the ante by multiplying the aliens, Alien 3 followed suite by this time having Ripley actually infected with a chestburster, and then with Alien Res the ante was upped yet again with the hybrids. They weren't just doing the same thing again and again.
QuoteThe challenge for me is: Is there a way that we can take the audience back to "wait, what's happening? What does this thing do?" That was the first challenge.
Yes, that could be a challenge if you choose to go that route. The other way to go is the Walking Dead model: The zombies are pretty much explained early on and then become the constant background threat that motivates the human drama that occurs in all the stories thereafter. IOW you don't really need to re-invent the Alien to make a new mystery out of it. You might
choose to, however, if this is some kind of reboot.
QuoteThe second challenge, which is why I think it justifies a show with multiple hours of storytelling, is that it's not just a monster movie. It's about humanity trapped between this primordial "they want to eat us" past and the AI future, and they're both trying to kill us. We've created these tools that are turning on us, or if we program them correctly, we'll go insane. Those elements of humanity, artificial intelligence, trans-humanism — 'what's the future of humanity?' is a really interesting thing to talk about right now.
Fair enough. 10 hours of story has to be filled something more than sci-fi places and chases. You could argue that that's all Alien '79 was (it was, as Scott continually reminds us, a mere B-movie after all), but the films after that always had the action plot up front backed up with a deeper theme underneath (yes, even Alien Res). Hawley is right to add a deeper layer of something. If he makes it some social commentary about the future of humanity, I'm good with that.
TC
Quote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PMRichest Noah interview about Alien so far:
"The prequels aside, because those are historical documents, what do we really know about the 'Alien' universe? We know there's a company called Weyland-Yutani. We don't know a lot more about it. We don't know what the government structure is, the politics of it, what's Earth — none of that. That's liberating on some level to not have to thread various needles. But the challenge is also that we're only ever in these artificial environments, the spaceship or a prison or whatever. What does an apartment look like on 'Alien'? That basic stuff of the palette of 'Alien,' the design of that ship, that dripping is so specific. I think that the sweaty aesthetic of 'Alien' plays very well into climate change and the hot, wet future that we're all moving toward. Technology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store.
One of the things that excites me about the TV series is that they can show us what the universe of Alien is like, even the human context. The wolrd where the space truckers like Ripley come from. There is interesting potential there by addressing elements that cannot be explored in depth in 2 hours of film.
I'm guessing that this series (and Fede's film as well) is likely going to lean hard into the retro-futurism of the original films and Isolation, and that's definitely cool.
But also, some day I want to see some of these approach some of the visual language of Vincent Ward's concept. Covenant comes the closest, but isn't quite there.
William Gibson was equally curious about these kinds of details of the Alien universe:
Quote from: William Gibson"I found a lot of things in the original [Alien] that were interesting even when it first came out. I thought there were germs of stories implicit in the art direction. I always wanted to know more about these guys. Like why they were wearing dirty sneakers in this funky spaceship. I think it influenced my prose science-fiction writing because it was the first funked-up, dirty kitchen sink spaceship, and it made a big impression on me. When I started writing science fiction, I went for that."
Explore what lies behind retrofuturism in a similar way to the dieselpunk subgenre; a retrofuturist artistic movement that combines aesthetics based on the interwar diesel engine with futuristic technology, while evoking the roaring twenties and the fulfillment of the great American dream, in contrast to the Great Depression and World War II. It is a genre made by and for dreamers, so its images reflect a way to escape from that negativity. In a similar way, I really want to understand, what is behind the futurism of Alien
Having said that, can't wait to see Noah Hawley's take on the world of Alien. I'm also looking forward to Fede Alvarez's movie. 8)
Give me some monks and robes and wheat fields. Let Dane Hallett have a field day on it.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2023, 06:09:30 PMGive me some monks and robes and wheat fields. Let Dane Hallett have a field day on it.
I still genuinely have a soft spot for the Harvest fake script.
Quote from: Scott Conover on Nov 22, 2023, 12:10:15 PMQuote from: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:54:48 AMIt looks like I have to dumb down.
You weren't already doing that with all your posts?
Apparently not, according to several in the forum.
Quote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PMRichest Noah interview about Alien so far:
"The prequels aside, because those are historical documents, what do we really know about the 'Alien' universe? We know there's a company called Weyland-Yutani. We don't know a lot more about it. We don't know what the government structure is, the politics of it, what's Earth — none of that. That's liberating on some level to not have to thread various needles. But the challenge is also that we're only ever in these artificial environments, the spaceship or a prison or whatever. What does an apartment look like on 'Alien'? That basic stuff of the palette of 'Alien,' the design of that ship, that dripping is so specific. I think that the sweaty aesthetic of 'Alien' plays very well into climate change and the hot, wet future that we're all moving toward. Technology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store.
"What's rooted in the horror of 'Alien' is discovery. The life cycle of this creature, besides being insane, is truly terrifying. It's an egg, and inside that egg is a creature that attaches to your face. I'm already out. But then that creature that attaches to your face lays another creature inside of you — hold on a second. Then that creature bursts out of your chest and grows to 9 feet tall? What is this creature? The experience of watching "Alien" for the first time is so visceral; it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse. [Director] James Cameron was able to take that and turn it into an action movie in which you knew what the life cycle was, so there was the horror of anticipation. But who's laying those eggs? So he added that other element to it. But after that, there's no discovery or surprise, we're just doing that again and again.
The challenge for me is: Is there a way that we can take the audience back to "wait, what's happening? What does this thing do?" That was the first challenge. The second challenge, which is why I think it justifies a show with multiple hours of storytelling, is that it's not just a monster movie. It's about humanity trapped between this primordial "they want to eat us" past and the AI future, and they're both trying to kill us. We've created these tools that are turning on us, or if we program them correctly, we'll go insane. Those elements of humanity, artificial intelligence, trans-humanism — 'what's the future of humanity?' is a really interesting thing to talk about right now. Combined with the revenge of nature — we're experiencing that now as weather or viruses or whatever. If we're in a place where our self-driving cars are gonna kill us, or we're going to drown in them, there's a story to be placed in the middle of that."
https://starsinfocity.com/noah-hawley-on-fargo-season-5-jon-hamms-nipple-rings-and-alien/
A retro-futurist aesthetic confirmed, along with my suspicions that the show will be about the climate crisis. His intention to "remystify the alien" seems more promising when expanded upon.
Makes a lot of sense for a TV show because he has to put in a lot of content. That means moving in different directions, and hopefully in a way that works, until the show ends successfully or is run to the ground.
The implication is that the move to TV works if it's a mini-series, i.e., there's a set number of parts, so that writers know what content to consider and how to space them out among the parts. An alternative to that is a regular series with a set number of seasons, but that's not usually the case because franchise owners want to maximize earnings and thus show as many seasons as possible.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2023, 05:54:53 PMWilliam Gibson was equally curious about these kinds of details of the Alien universe:
Quote from: William Gibson"I found a lot of things in the original [Alien] that were interesting even when it first came out. I thought there were germs of stories implicit in the art direction. I always wanted to know more about these guys. Like why they were wearing dirty sneakers in this funky spaceship. I think it influenced my prose science-fiction writing because it was the first funked-up, dirty kitchen sink spaceship, and it made a big impression on me. When I started writing science fiction, I went for that."
Explore what lies behind retrofuturism in a similar way to the dieselpunk subgenre; a retrofuturist artistic movement that combines aesthetics based on the interwar diesel engine with futuristic technology, while evoking the roaring twenties and the fulfillment of the great American dream, in contrast to the Great Depression and World War II. It is a genre made by and for dreamers, so its images reflect a way to escape from that negativity. In a similar way, I really want to understand, what is behind the futurism of Alien
Having said that, can't wait to see Noah Hawley's take on the world of Alien. I'm also looking forward to Fede Alvarez's movie. 8)
I just realized that, too, especially when we compare that with what interiors look like in actual space trips, etc. OTOH, maybe given a lot of time, things get dirtier while companies cut corners, etc.
What's good about this isn't just making the situation look realistic but also the natural elements in dialogue, etc., like the Nostromo crew having a meal and discussing bonus situation. Making them look like regular truckers, etc., also helps, not to mention crew members with varying ages.
In contrast, the prequels and various shows in different franchises want to show something like the opposite.
The artwork that was shared didn't seem to "Alien" to me, but I hope that by this he really means he will go the retro way.
I'm worried about how he'll expand and "reinvent" the Alien. It's always a warning sign to me when someone feels they have to reinvent the wheel, cause that just means they don't get what the "wheel" actually does and can do. I hope it's subtle and smart and effective. Not just new for the sake of newness.
It's inevitable for the storyline because it's a TV show. That means even though they maintain the production design seen in the first movies the show will still need new content.
No holograms? I'm sold.
If the series is set in the 2190s, then that would place it in the same hologram-heavy timeframe as Prometheus. Moreover, Alien: Covenant - Origins had people with dancing tattoos and holograms everywhere.
So... the retro-futuristic aesthetic hasn't even kicked in yet by the time of the series.
Eh... Prometheus' a multimillionaire's luxury yacht.
And nothing Alan Dean Foster writes has any bearing on the films.
The it's-a-rich-guy's-flagship concept works only up to a point. When 'Aliens' rolls around, it's more than half a century after even the first film and we're not even shown just a colony, but Gateway, which was a very large in Earth's orbit. Plus, the Sulaco is referred to as "state of the badass art" (not in an ironic way, either; the Colonial Marines are all clearly very confident in what it is capable of).
The Prometheus should be the equivelant to how Howard Hughes' aeroplanes would have seemed in the early 2000s, let alone today.
Plus, all those personal iPad-like gizmos with holography are being very casually used on the Prometheus. No marvelling at them or whatever. Even if one discards how useful it would have been for Brettand Parker, it's ridiculous to look at the hulking great 2D map table in Hadley's Hope (and the APC stuff) and not think it doesn't make sense for nobody to include 3D holography, so that visually depicting different levels make sense. I can believe that maybe personal tablet devices were trashed or cocooned with the colonists, but why doesn't the table simply project something above or around it? Or the APC's monitors?
And then there's Ripley's constant nightmares, which, if dream-monitoring technology had been available, should have at least been mentioned to back her up during her tribunal. They were trying to figure out if she was personally responsible for destroying a massive fortune's-worth of hardware and killing her crewmates, after all! :) Such recordings could even have completely exonerated her from guilt and responsibility.
Scott was focused overly on 'Alien' and wanted to simply incorporate things he wasn't able to during that. But it gets really iffy when we just considering the ramifications for the sequel. It just didn't seem to be factored into pre-production.
Which isn't even touching on how weird it gets when looking at the Auriga equipment! ;D
If we get anything too far out and there aren't any inconsistencies with canon, it might be time to bring in the 'unreliable narrator' plot device to explain it. Maybe there'll be a future story where all events of the films are depicted as being corrupted data files being read by someone?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 24, 2023, 06:31:08 PMThe it's-a-rich-guy's-flagship concept works only up to a point. When 'Aliens' rolls around, it's more than half a century after even the first film and we're not even shown just a colony, but Gateway, which was a very large in Earth's orbit. Plus, the Sulaco is referred to as "state of the badass art" (not in an ironic way, either; the Colonial Marines are all clearly very confident in what it is capable of).
The Prometheus should be the equivelant to how Howard Hughes' aeroplanes would have seemed in the early 2000s, let alone today.
Plus, all those personal iPad-like gizmos with holography are being very casually used on the Prometheus. No marvelling at them or whatever. Even if one discards how useful it would have been for Brettand Parker, it's ridiculous to look at the hulking great 2D map table in Hadley's Hope (and the APC stuff) and not think it doesn't make sense for nobody to include 3D holography, so that visually depicting different levels make sense. I can believe that maybe personal tablet devices were trashed or cocooned with the colonists, but why doesn't the table simply project something above or around it? Or the APC's monitors?
And then there's Ripley's constant nightmares, which, if dream-monitoring technology had been available, should have at least been mentioned to back her up during her tribunal. They were trying to figure out if she was personally responsible for destroying a massive fortune's-worth of hardware and killing her crewmates, after all! :) Such recordings could even have completely exonerated her from guilt and responsibility.
Scott was focused overly on 'Alien' and wanted to simply incorporate things he wasn't able to during that. But it gets really iffy when we just considering the ramifications for the sequel. It just didn't seem to be factored into pre-production.
Which isn't even touching on how weird it gets when looking at the Auriga equipment! ;D
If we get anything too far out and there aren't any inconsistencies with canon, it might be time to bring in the 'unreliable narrator' plot device to explain it. Maybe there'll be a future story where all events of the films are depicted as being corrupted data files being read by someone?
The ARPG core book says that technology went backwards because holographics and all the prequel stuff were too expensive and difficult to maintain. So that's why we see LCD screens and 70's computer interfaces in "later" films.
Funny enough, I'm reading Alien tabletop by Free league right now. Love retro sci-fi.
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 24, 2023, 09:41:01 PMFunny enough, I'm reading Alien tabletop by Free league right now. Love retro sci-fi.
There's a lot to explore in the RPG, including a total buttload of lore. Happy discovering!
If it follows the production design of the prequels, then there might be a lot of high tech. The same applies with AI mentioned.
Lo-fi is best. Things need to look like they were designed by engineers with only a basic consideration given to style and aesthetics. Holograms and the like... leave them to Tony Stark.
I find the current argument weird especially if you watch all of the original four films, Resurrection included. No holograms in any of them. But if we're going to have holograms.. make them really glitchy, fuzzy and noisy.
Dude checking his holographic Tiktok feed.
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Also plenty of lost tech never seen again during the in-universe future👀
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I imagine that in the Peter Weyland era there were no old-fashion pens or paper documents during corporate meetings, just touch gadgets and stuff. :laugh:
Quote from: Rudiger on Nov 25, 2023, 01:27:25 PMLo-fi is best. Things need to look like they were designed by engineers with only a basic consideration given to style and aesthetics. Holograms and the like... leave them to Tony Stark.
Furthermore, space exploration is more minimalistic and practical.
I honestly didn't mind the addition of holograms, Peter Weylands highly advanced Vessel the Prometheus had the sufficient funding for such a mission, I must admit it does contrast with the rough 70's scrap metal used future aesthetic of the original. Curious if the Tv series will find the right balance sci-fi but the sense of a used future.
Wow, interesting.
It seems Hawley will introduce a new aspect to the Xeno's evolutionary system.
I don't mind the existence of a Queen and Hive chaste, but only a vacuum, since i would much prefer if that is merely one of the many ways the Xeno has to adapt and spread its species.
Making the Queen the end of all and be all of its origins, kind of takes away the alien aspect of it, since it makes it seem like just a super ant, than the actual psychosexual extraterrestrial predator that it is.
The Xenomorph is supposed to be the perfect organism, so it should have multiple ways to fully adapt to its current enviroment and situation.
Certainly Noah Hawley's not opposed to utilizing retrofuturism.
https://www.racked.com/2017/2/22/14638498/legion-fx-costumes
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While I'm pleased to hear that they'll be returning more to the design aesthetic of "Alien," I'm concerned with the possible implication that it will be turned into a climate and AI catastrophist political narrative than actually storytelling.
Cheaply fabricated 70s outfits= something retro futury. or that Noah wanted to have them in a faux music video.
https://carolcasecostumes.com/
Very malebrained of you to dismiss costume design.
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I'm still flabbergasted that his 1st idea was to bring the alien to earth. What could go wrong?
the more I learn the less I think this will be good
The whole "bringing the Alien to Earth" thing doesn't even make sense, given that the members of the Prometheus expedition were the first to encounter anything that wasn't a giant insect.
Looks kinda Space:1999 ish to me.
I'm squeemish at the thought that what he means is to showcase everything that makes the world outlandishly 'alien'....not xenomorph per say. Which means its going to be yet again 'no hrgiger to be found'. I mean if they haven't even discovered the so called alien, then they need a reason to place protocols and assignments to capture that whatever it is that is out there.
I find the engineers legacy to create such a thing plus merging the artistic mastery of hr gigers designs, lithographs and other such concepts to be the most desired thing. I mean.....who wouldn't want to delve into the Necronomicons Giger made? and these aren't even Evil Dead Necronomics or even HP Lovecrafts necronomics!
I know nobody wants to pimp his ride anymore because the man is gone! but show some respect!
Noah going to not credit him while he snorts his own snow, trying to pimp his Fargo stuff makes me feel kind of numb at this point.
You sound like a real Giger alum.
Not canon the Aliens were created by the Engies and/or Space Jockeys. I think it would be boring and a disappointment if they did.
everyone of us here needs to be into that institution.
Quote from: RhinoAlien on Nov 26, 2023, 06:44:18 PMNot canon the Aliens were created by the Engies and/or Space Jockeys. I think it would be boring and a disappointment if they did.
Actually, according to
Building Better Worlds, there is a possibility that the Xenomorph existed without any input from the Engineers, and that the Engineers worshiped them. In their efforts to recreate the "Destroying Angel", the Engineers created the Fulfremmen and their Protomorphs (the Deacon and so on).
Can you imagine that the Engineers put into practice something like their own Cargo Cult?
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At least at the beginning of their society, having some contact with an enigmatic civilization of biomechanical life forms, which they tried to emulate in the future.
@ Sluty Badger wasn't an earlier draft of the script of Prometheus which was either Alien Engineers or Paradise suggested that the Engineers lacked the ability to procreate, they found a bizarre angelic ethereal being the Deacon ish creature which they worshiped displayed with the mural in the cave on LV-223, using its blood as a means of creating new life "the whole death and rebirth rising from the ashes aliens cycle". That Deacon's blood was supposedly what the first engineer drank on earth creating the primordial soup, it's said that through the ages they filtered the Deacons blood and didn't have a pure strain and it devolved into the deadly pathogen creating aggressive monstrosities related to the Xenomorph, return. It appears alot of these details changed to not give a definitive explanation and the whole Xeneomorph/ Space Jockey Engineer connection isn't made clear.
Probably has to do with the idea that the most viewers had never seen nor heard about the first four movies, so retconning is inevitable, with the base story following this series and the prequels. In which case, they can even re-do the first four movies. It's similar to what was being done in other franchises.
Quote from: ralfy on Nov 27, 2023, 12:02:56 AMProbably has to do with the idea that the most viewers had never seen nor heard about the first four movies
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Classic case of 'judge others by one's own standards'.
There is a bunch of stuff about the circles of hell as a class allegory in this season of Fargo and he wrote it while writing Alien. Black goat imagery too, I wonder if it bled over. There is stuff about greek mythology and scapegoats too, could the alien becoming a scapegoat for all the problems plaguing Prodigy City be a theme of the show? Blame the foreigner.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Nov 24, 2023, 07:46:55 PMThe ARPG core book says that technology went backwards because holographics and all the prequel stuff were too expensive and difficult to maintain. So that's why we see LCD screens and 70's computer interfaces in "later" films.
That wouldn't explain the mysterious loss of dream-recording technology. I don't believe it has any real-life equivelant, either. We have holography, right now. Plus, we're clearly shown common hand-held devices which use it.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 29, 2023, 12:13:55 AMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Nov 24, 2023, 07:46:55 PMThe ARPG core book says that technology went backwards because holographics and all the prequel stuff were too expensive and difficult to maintain. So that's why we see LCD screens and 70's computer interfaces in "later" films.
That wouldn't explain the mysterious loss of dream-recording technology. I don't believe it has any real-life equivelant, either. We have holography, right now. Plus, we're clearly shown common hand-held devices which use it.
Just because we have it right now doesn't mean we'll have it in the future. And it might not be an option on far-flung worlds where there are no means of repairing those items, or where the conditions would render using them impossible.
Quote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PMBut after that, there's no discovery or surprise, we're just doing that again and again.
This is true, I agree. Alien 3 and AR are repeating of Alien and Aliens. AC is Aliens too. Only Prometheus bring new direction, but made it... somehow.
Quote from: Gimitko on Nov 22, 2023, 02:32:52 PMThe challenge for me is: Is there a way that we can take the audience back to "wait, what's happening? What does this thing do?"
Just try to explore the ovomorphing.
The first movie uses suspense, the second action, the third a procedural, and the fourth political intrigue. The first sequel borrows from the first movie with the ship landing on a rock, etc., and the second from the first two, with a protagonist who looks like Ripley, another named Tennessee (like Dallas from the first movie), etc.