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Posted by City Hunter Yautja
 - Jan 12, 2022, 07:33:27 AM
Oram gets my pick. He refuses to allow the mourning of the Captain (James Franco), making the crew disobey him. He decides to visit Planet 4 against his First Mate's objections. He sticks his face in an egg after seeing how untrustworthy David is and that he admires these monsters who kill people.
Posted by Immortan Jonesy
 - Nov 30, 2021, 02:24:35 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 21, 2021, 01:41:37 AM
David is easily the best idea developed in the prequels.  His interaction with Walter were the best scenes in the those two films.

He definitely deserves his own Disney villain death.

Posted by BigDaddyJohn
 - Nov 27, 2021, 01:08:32 PM
I'll definitely take Apone, Vasquez, Hudson, Hicks and Gorman over any Tennessee, Walter and Daniels. Any f**king day, no hesitation.
Posted by acrediblesource
 - Nov 27, 2021, 12:57:13 PM
You want to see unlikable acting and dialogue? Watch AppleTV's Invasion. Makes AC characters look like they deserve an oscar.
and it seems you all are comparing Apples to Apples anyway, the AC dialogue wasn't extraneous or far fetched. I don't suppose you know any magnificent dialogue coming from space truckers colonizing planets in any recent film or tv shows do you?
At least the director didn't hire a bunch of 80s has been tv stars and B movie class actors whom apparently never worked again. Not to mention a child actress that quit the business.
-just like that guy name James Cameron in 1986
Posted by Kimarhi
 - Nov 27, 2021, 03:36:12 AM
You could say the same for many of the Alien movies that DON'T focus on Alien size crews.  Which is like the rest of them. 


People remember the final Marines in Aliens more than the whole cast because they were given more screen time.  You'll notice aside from early meme action that nobody nowadays really talks about Ferro, Spunkmeyer, Crowe, Frost, Drake or Weirzbowski when compared to Hudson, Hicks, Vasquez, and Gorman.  Simply because the latter had WAY more screen time.  I'd say only Al Matthews spot on performance as a senior NCO is the only exception out of that movie.  Same with the Betty crew vs the Auriga crew.  Or anybody not named Ripley, Bishop, Clemens, Dillon, 85, or Morse in Alien 3.


I think the writers of the films just need to realize that nobody really cares if nobodies get merc'd its only when you can actually connect with and relate to characters do people actually give a damn whether they live or die in a drama/action/horror sci fi series. 

That is why I feel the marriage dynamic was wasted in Covenant.  If it wasn't said in passing expository dialogue, I probably wouldn't have even noticed.  It could have been used for more emotional depth to make the deaths feel like a kick in the nuts, instead it just seemed like coworkers upset other crewmembers were dying but they'd get over it if they made it out. 

Posted by BigDaddyJohn
 - Nov 26, 2021, 12:25:32 PM
Yeah I forgot about Walter. But indeed, apart from those 3, nada.
Posted by Inverse Effect
 - Nov 26, 2021, 02:29:19 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 25, 2021, 04:23:22 PM
Who is truly likeable apart from Tennessee and Shaw ? I don't mean just ok, I mean really likeable ?

Nobody, Because all of their names were inrevelevent to the plot, since the characters had little to no screen time. And were just nameless fodder. Hated all of the characters apart from the main three. And literally all those are the ones you cares about. Wished they just stuck to a crew of 6 or so people.

Okay.. Maybe not unlikeable. Just forgettable and generic fodder because they lacked any identity. Literally the only 3 i can recall are Tennessee, David/Walter and Daniels(Which gave me Strong Ripley Vibes)

Posted by BigDaddyJohn
 - Nov 25, 2021, 04:23:22 PM
Who is truly likeable apart from Tennessee and Shaw ? I don't mean just ok, I mean really likeable ?
Posted by David Weyland
 - Nov 20, 2021, 10:55:00 PM
Although a poor comparison I think you'll get what I mean- Prometheus feels to me more like Alien and both have more British actors

Whereas Covenant is like Aliens and both have a more American ensemble

Not that it makes a difference to me somebody's nationality but to me it echoes a kind of an inflection of the two prequels respectively imitating vibes separately of the first two films as a result

Re Covenant , It is not that I found I didn't like any of the characters the problem there is the stilted TV show dialogue.
Posted by The Necronoir
 - Nov 07, 2021, 04:29:10 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Oct 20, 2021, 04:11:51 AM
I didn't really find Covenant characters unlikeable, but they weren't always believable.  I didn't buy the married couple dynamic between a lot of the pairs which I felt was a HUGE wasted opportunity.  I would've dropped the security team and ONLY focused on the married pairs and just had the crew jobs fall within those pairs. 

I actually found Oram to be more believable.  He got caught in a leadership role and instead of being himself he tried to alter himself to play the role as he thought it should be.  Which lead to questionable decision making.  I have seen this kind of bullshit a dozen times IRL so I can relate.  Usually to more severe levels where dudes go into full jackassery mode and then end up swimming neck deep in bad decision making with no one willing to help them out.  But that is what they EXPECT you do do and want you to do so it alters perspectives.  I got in trouble for being too laid back, but then eventually people would leave me alone when all my guys did what they were supposed to do.  But I took my fair share of shit before then. 

So Oram's predicament is definitely one that people who've been in that spot can relate too, even if it isn't how we navigated it.

I think you're right on the money there. To me, the question of whether or not a character is "likable" is completely arbitrary until they actually seem like a believable character. The inconsistencies in the way people act in Prometheus and Covenant means that it's very hard to even view them as holistic characters, much less relatable ones. I feel like I watching a walking, talking plot device, rather than an autonomous being.

Alien, on the other hand, shows that we can relate to people doing stupid things, as long as that stupidity results from consistent character flaws. Kane is too adventurous, Parker too brash, Lambert too neurotic, etc.

Quote from: TC on Oct 27, 2021, 02:25:05 PM
The design for this set has always puzzled me. Who in their right mind would place a statue of David in such a small room that it requires the head to stick up through a hole in the ceiling, so that you can't even see the whole thing?

All that indicates is that you're neither an architect nor an art critic.
Posted by Necronomicon II
 - Nov 02, 2021, 01:33:44 AM
The giant David in a small room has all sorts of connotations for both David and Weyland. Weyland's head is too big and will be his downfall, same with David.

And not going to lie David is pretty likable amongst the human trash, and those neomorphs as well are pretty sweet. 🤣😘
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
 - Oct 29, 2021, 05:08:25 PM
The size they ought to have been anyway.
Posted by PsyKore
 - Oct 27, 2021, 11:33:13 PM
Quote from: TC on Oct 27, 2021, 02:25:05 PM


The design for this set has always puzzled me. Who in their right mind would place a statue of David in such a small room that it requires the head to stick up through a hole in the ceiling, so that you can't even see the whole thing?

TC

Considering the rest of the scene, there maybe some visual metaphor going on. But from an artistic angle, I like how it accentuates the size of the statue and is in the likeness of the Engineers.
Posted by [cancerblack]
 - Oct 27, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 26, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
The movie novelization helped with the characters, and some other things as well.
Although the prequel novelization should have helped even more but was somehow very lackluster.

It felt like a half-decent but totally unrelated sci fi novel that got shoe-horned into the setting, really.
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
 - Oct 27, 2021, 04:59:44 PM
Ridley Scott
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