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Title: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 05:38:32 AM
https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2021/11/05/alien-descriptions-noah-hawley/?fbclid=IwAR2Nyzwa91-uCtCKFVyQFvfLy3hyRIfrh1Wt8phSCFehsVKTg00WU-2qPBo
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 06, 2021, 05:55:29 AM
Neat.

But:

Quotetwo prequel films from James Cameron, and now a television series coming to FX.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2021, 07:44:08 AM
Sounds like someone got hold of a casting call.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 09:02:39 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2021, 07:44:08 AM
Sounds like someone got hold of a casting call.

Sure seems that way.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: seattle24 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:20:14 AM
So is James Cameron actually attached or is that waffle?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:26:21 AM
I'm really not getting the vibes of having the TV show set an on earth but if this TV show would've take lessons from earth war then I'll accept it. Just please not in the Modern day

Quote"Set not too far into our future, it's the first 'Alien' story set on Earth"
f**k
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 10:37:18 AM
Quote from: seattle24 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:20:14 AM
So is James Cameron actually attached or is that waffle?

"Noah Hawley is attached as the showrunner of the new Alien series with both Ridley Scott and James Cameron heavily involved as producers according to John Landgraff."

Landgraff hasn't mentioned anything about Cameron being involved. That bit seems bunk.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 06, 2021, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 09:02:39 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2021, 07:44:08 AM
Sounds like someone got hold of a casting call.

Sure seems that way.

Hmm, does this imply that these details match up with things you guys are aware of? The whole consciousness-in-another-body thing is intriguing – reminds me a bit of The Cold Forge and Avatar in the way it is described.

I've always taken Illuminerdi as one of those Scified-esque junk websites, though.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2021, 11:32:07 AM
I'm not familiar with them myself. But let's just say we're happy to run this one on the front page shortly.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 11:44:24 AM
Sounds weird, thank god if true. Noah's at his best when being a weirdo.

I'm massively looking forward to the tone and texture of this show, it being Alien's just the cherry on top.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 12:19:56 PM
That character description is not the kind of scifi I am here for in my Alien movies so that's a bit of a bummer to read :-\
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 12:27:59 PM
In case someone doesn't know the casting prototype names... (but probably will still recognize them once they see them.)

FX is looking to cast a man in his early 30s, open ethnicity, to play "Hermit." Hermit is a medic with the Army. The prototype they are looking for is Domhnall Gleeson



FX is also looking to cast a woman of any age and any ethnicity to play "Wendy." Wendy is Hermit's brother, but stuck in another person's body. Until now, Hermit believed his sister was killed in an experiment, but comes to realize that she is in fact in this soldier's body. They are looking for someone who is well muscled and able to do action. FX is also looking for someone with comedy chops. Danai Gurira is the prototype for this role.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: FreeFacehugz on Nov 06, 2021, 01:02:10 PM
"FX is also looking to cast a woman of any age and any ethnicity to play "Wendy." Wendy is Hermit's brother, but stuck in another person's body. Until now, Hermit believed his sister was killed in an experiment, but comes to realize that she is in fact in this soldier's body. "

How does this even make sense? They want a woman to play Hermits brother. The sister he thought was dead? Is it his brother or sister? Is this just going to be a big confusing trans plot stuffed into the alien universe? (a universe I 100% believe needs to stay as features. not tv shows)

with everything i've heard till now, i got a bad feelin about this drop.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Nov 06, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
"Hermit's brother... his sister... she is in fact in this soldier's body."

[EDIT: posted same time as Facehuggz]
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Nov 06, 2021, 01:24:46 PM
It could be a scenario where the sister brother is an android which would explain whatever that transformation is. Just a program booted up into a different android body.

Alternatively it's a really clumsy way of saying they want a trans character.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
sounds like they're gonna do Cold Forge shenanigans with mind/body transfer.

I can imagine WY deciding to kidnap an important person and just copying/transferring their mind onto a more pliable, easy to command synthetic frame.

also sounds like the basic framework of the series will be... "guy trying to uncover a conspiracy" which... is fine.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Nov 06, 2021, 01:29:12 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
sounds like they're gonna do Cold Forge shenanigans with mind/body transfer.

I can imagine WY deciding to kidnap an important person and just copying/transferring their mind onto a more pliable, easy to command synthetic frame.

Given that I haven't read Cold Forge, wouldn't it just be easier to make an android duplicate or just an android in general rather than create a slave with extra steps?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 01:37:26 PM
that is NOT the plot of Cold Forge, of course. (which is wonderful and i won't spoil for you).

Just speculating on what this show could do.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 01:48:06 PM
Probably not final but the names suggest a more Legion orientated approach than Fargo, often that the character's names in it said something direct about what they are. Examples Cary and Kerry, Syd and Switch come to mind.

I hope he does his usual of reusing actors and we get Hamish Linklater and others such as Navid Negahban.




Both as of recently also have superb experience playing cult like leaders.
Spoiler
With monsters.
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Bill Irwin I'd also like to see as a scientist once again. I'd advise against Amber Midthunder returning, with her being in Predator Skulls and all, but then again the late great Bill Paxton starred in both an Alien and Predator film so who knows really...

As for the whole, woman playing a man, that's in reality a woman in a man's body thing, that does not sound as completely out of nowhere for people who have read Alien The Cold Forge and have experienced Noah Hawley's Legion.

Amahl Farouk in that has had multiple actors play the part male and female, whilst still being completely a man, it's difficult to explain without watching it yourself.


In the first Season he's mainly played by Aubrey Plaza whilst she's trapped inside her body. Then onwards, he's also played by Jemaine Clement, whilst also Aubrey Plaza, whilst truly represented by Navid Negahban in the second and third seasons.



No "transition narrative" present, in any of this, but he's done this kind of thing before's really my point, and it does not make sense until you see it visually presented.

Although I am very much up for a trans narrative in Alien and think it's been a long time coming.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
i'd like Noah to depict WY at their highest peak of success. Just absolute "gods among mortals". Capitalist royalty.
(that's one aspect of Prometheus i didn't mind.)

Just take it one step further than Prometheus did.....
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Nov 06, 2021, 01:24:46 PM
Alternatively it's a really clumsy way of saying they want a trans character.

It does seem clumsy at first glance. I just hope there is great idea that lead to the genesis of this character's backstory and not the other way around. I hope this science expirement wasn't created because trans people will really be able to relate to this character! The point being, if you start with a desire for a character that trans people can relate to - I say, just make a trans character. Don't make it a result of an expirement.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
i'd like Noah to depict WY at their highest peak of success. Just absolute "gods among mortals". Capitalist royalty.
(that's one aspect of Prometheus i didn't mind.)

Just take it one step further than Prometheus did.....
Further how? What you thinking exactly?

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 02:02:12 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Nov 06, 2021, 01:24:46 PM
Alternatively it's a really clumsy way of saying they want a trans character.

It does seem clumsy at first glance. I just hope there is great idea that lead to the genesis of this character's backstory and not the other way around. I hope this science expirement wasn't created because trans people will really be able to relate to this character! The point being, if you start with a desire for a character that trans people can relate to - I say, just make a trans character. Don't make it a result of an experiment.
We don't know necessarily that it is though, even if I'd be all for that as a theme, because as I said in my Legion TL;DR he's done this kinda thing once before. 
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
Further how? What you thinking exactly? 

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RY6kPe

(but at a more sensible scale)  :laugh:

go full "we live in pyramids" Blade Runner style bullshit.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
We don't know necessarily that it is though, even if I'd be all for that as a theme, because as I said in my Legion TL;DR he's done this kinda thing once before.

True. And especially not ever watching Legion myself, I trust your perspective. :)

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 01:48:06 PM
Probably not final but the names suggest a more Legion orientated approach than Fargo, often that the character's names in it said something direct about what they are. Examples Cary and Kerry, Syd and Switch come to mind.

I hope he does his usual of reusing actors and we get Hamish Linklater and others such as Navid Negahban.

After being introduced to him in Midnight Mass, I would absolutely love Hamish Linklater in this! 👏
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
Further how? What you thinking exactly? 

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RY6kPe

(but at a more sensible scale)  :laugh:

go full "we live in pyramids" Blade Runner style bullshit.

Funny that...
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 02:37:12 PM
blade runner is not canon, it'll never be canon... repeat this in the morning 10x.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 06, 2021, 02:37:12 PM
blade runner is not canon, it'll never be canon... repeat this in the morning 10x.

I'm insinuating something but it ain't that so...
Check your PM's mate.

Here's my hint to the rest of you:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: TheTest on Nov 06, 2021, 04:06:36 PM
Get Alexis Louder's agent on the phone stat!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 04:20:53 PM
Sounds like another of this transgender bullshit, nowadays media is full of. Do we really need it in an Alien series? Can't it just be about, well, Aliens?

Give us series about W-Y's last attepmt on Lv-426 and why they actually need to clone alien in Res. Simple downfall story, no need for all this convoluted bullshit.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 04:42:05 PM
"Transgender bullshit" can you like... not insult people? Thank you
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 06, 2021, 04:52:01 PM
Quotetwo prequel films from James Cameron, and now a television series coming to FX.

Jim's prequel films were kinda adequate, but not as good as Ridley Scott's Aliens.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 04:20:53 PM
Sounds like another of this transgender bullshit

Please refrain from this. While we encourage the free exchange of ideas and opinions, we only do so when it's being respectful to everyone in the process.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 04:42:05 PM
"Transgender bullshit" can you like... not insult people? Thank you
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 05:21:01 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 04:20:53 PM
Sounds like another of this transgender bullshit

Please refrain from this. While we encourage the free exchange of ideas and opinions, we only do so when it's being respectful to everyone in the process.

Guys, you know me and I'm not here from yesterday. I'm not insulting anyone nor do I mean to do so. Yet  I stand for my opinion that such narrative in context of Alien universe is bullshit and unnecessary distraction.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
Not a fan of Alex White's Alien books?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 05:59:57 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
Not a fan of Alex White's Alien books?

Have read any of them. They are not available  in my country nor in my native.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 06, 2021, 06:01:59 PM
The line comedy chops doesn't bode well with me alien shouldn't be a dark comedy it should be a horror and action focused narrative and Wendy shoundt be in another living person body it should be a synthetic it already happen once in the novels via cold forge maybe she could be the first person that piloted a synthetic or something and it goes wrong
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 06:09:18 PM
I'm sure you are aware of the praise they receive around here. And very much feature a narrative to do with transition. It fits with Alien very well.

Just like motherhood and abortion did before it.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 06, 2021, 06:25:32 PM
Wait a minute i get the ideas of motherhood in aliens but where did you get the idea of abortion in the  alien franchise?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 06:41:36 PM
Seriously hardly ever heard about them. It's great you appreciate them though. I would like for us to have each own opinion and the ability to express them. Dialogue is much needed .
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 06:54:49 PM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-the-cold-forge/

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-into-charybdis/

Also basically responsible for all the recent lore, outside Alien The RPG, that in itself uses them a great deal.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 06:54:49 PM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-the-cold-forge/

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/alien-into-charybdis/

Also basically responsible for all the recent lore, outside Alien The RPG, that in itself uses them a great deal.

I'll check the reviews, though the lore for me comes from the movies  ;)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 07:15:22 PM
Hence my use of the term recent lore.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 05:54:36 PM
Guys, you know me and I'm not here from yesterday. I'm not insulting anyone nor do I mean to do so. Yet  I stand for my opinion that such narrative in context of Alien universe is bullshit and unnecessary distraction.
Why is it bullshit? Let's start with that.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:04:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 08:53:51 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 05:54:36 PM
Guys, you know me and I'm not here from yesterday. I'm not insulting anyone nor do I mean to do so. Yet  I stand for my opinion that such narrative in context of Alien universe is bullshit and unnecessary distraction.
Why is it bullshit? Let's start with that.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 12:19:56 PM
That character description is not the kind of scifi I am here for in my Alien movies so that's a bit of a bummer to read :-\

Because it's not the kind of scifi I am here for in my Alien movies and serves as distraction for what Alien movie should be about.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2021, 09:11:18 PM
Here's the thing. Those people exist. They read these boards. Noone has any right to call it bullshit. If I see it said like that again, those people are just done here.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:04:15 PM
Because it's not the kind of scifi I am here for in my Alien movies and serves as distraction for what Alien movie should be about.
My personal issue is specifically body-swap scifi (and fantasy for that matter), nothing to do with transgenderism specifically.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2021, 09:11:18 PM
Here's the thing. Those people exist. They read these boards. Noone has any right to call it bullshit. If I see it said like that again, those people are just done here.

Noted Boss.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:04:15 PM
Because it's not the kind of scifi I am here for in my Alien movies and serves as distraction for what Alien movie should be about.
My personal issue is specifically body-swap scifi (and fantasy for that matter), nothing to do with transgenderism specifically.

My issues are similar. It doesn't fit Alien IMO. Though I must admit I'm  abit annoyed everything has to be about racial, sexual or gender stuff nowadays. But if I'm not allowed to talk about it, I won't.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
You're allowed to talk about it, just more respectfully than calling it "bullshit".
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 09:40:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 06, 2021, 09:11:18 PM
Here's the thing. Those people exist. They read these boards. Noone has any right to call it bullshit. If I see it said like that again, those people are just done here.

They might even be posting right beside you! Oooh! Spooky!

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
You're allowed to talk about it, just more respectfully than calling it "bullshit".

Also noted. Though I'm now afraid I'll get banned for pointing the issue. I never tried to be disrespectful.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 06, 2021, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
You're allowed to talk about it, just more respectfully than calling it "bullshit".

Also noted. Though I'm now afraid I'll get banned for pointing the issue. I never tried to be disrespectful.

There are plenty of ways to say that you're uninterested in or uncomfortable with "current year" politics in your sci-fi action/horror without coming off as disrespectful or dismissive.

Although as I understand it English is not your mother tongue so I can get why there may be a minefield aspect to it. I think if you put in the effort to discuss it in good faith, people will listen even if they disagree with you.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 09:53:55 PM
The topic can be discussed respectfully, here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65045.0
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 09:53:55 PM
The topic can be discussed respectfully, here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65045.0

For the third time noted.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 06, 2021, 09:52:20 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:42:06 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 06, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
You're allowed to talk about it, just more respectfully than calling it "bullshit".

Also noted. Though I'm now afraid I'll get banned for pointing the issue. I never tried to be disrespectful.

There are plenty of ways to say that you're uninterested in or uncomfortable with "current year" politics in your sci-fi action/horror without coming off as disrespectful or dismissive.

Although as I understand it English is not your mother tongue so I can get why there may be a minefield aspect to it. I think if you put in the effort to discuss it in good faith, people will listen even if they disagree with you.

It's not. It's my second language though.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 06, 2021, 10:04:49 PM
You can watch On the Silver Globe without subtitles?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:05:32 PM
Yeeeeep.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 10:07:56 PM
I always found this audio log of AVP 2010 interesting, starting at 20:06...

https://youtu.be/nZraAURImJw?t=1206

(Thanks to Samhain13 for compiling)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 09:53:55 PM
The topic can be discussed respectfully, here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65045.0

For the third time noted.

Master, my post was in response to this.

Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:42:06 PM
Though I'm now afraid I'll get banned for pointing the issue.

You will not be banned there for civilly discussing the issue.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 06, 2021, 10:12:19 PM
Alright I gotta ask a question was there any credibility behind the avp anime
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 06, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
I'd almost rather see a show packed with navel-gazing social commentary than some lore-breaking nonsense about the Aliens on Earth.  The prequels were bad enough.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:31:32 PM
I'd  rather see neither. There is such good opportunity for Alien series right there, with Derelict on Lv-426, I can't believe none figured out to take it so far. If it has to be earth, then fish out the Queen from shores of Bovotoya. It is also the plot point ready for taking.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 09:53:55 PM
The topic can be discussed respectfully, here:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65045.0

For the third time noted.

Master, my post was in response to this.

Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 09:42:06 PM
Though I'm now afraid I'll get banned for pointing the issue.

You will not be banned there for civilly discussing the issue.

Ok.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Nov 06, 2021, 10:31:39 PM
Without judging the topic of his sister having a consciousness occupying another body wasn't a question of gender but reconciling with identity. For that matter wasn't Lambert technically retcons as born male, and there's detail in Aliens about the Arcturians which can change sex nobody made a deal about it Frost declaired " It doesn't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 10:37:05 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:31:32 PM
I'd  rather see neither. There is such good opportunity for Alien series right there, with Derelict on Lv-426, I can't believe none figured out to take it so far. If it has to be earth, then fish out the Queen from shores of Bovotoya. It is also the plot point ready for taking.

I like that idea with the Queen as well but they do seem to want to keep A/P/AvP pretty separate these days.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:38:10 PM
Yeah but AVP 2004 did not happen and LV-426's a glorified crater.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 06, 2021, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 06, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
I'd almost rather see a show packed with navel-gazing social commentary than some lore-breaking nonsense about the Aliens on Earth.  The prequels were bad enough.

I remain confident that the only "breaking" it'll do is quietly ignoring Rez.

And of course, continue with the at this point pretty clear intent that AvP is a separate IP to Alien.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:38:10 PM
Yeah but AVP 2004 did not happen and LV-426's a glorified crater.

Did not happen in the current Alien continuity, did happen in the AVP movie continuity. It's not that one is canon/one isn't, they're just different canons now.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 06, 2021, 10:46:33 PM
If Ridley Scott is involved in any way, what chance is there that this show would embrace AvP?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 10:45:21 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:38:10 PM
Yeah but AVP 2004 did not happen and LV-426's a glorified crater.

Did not happen in the current Alien continuity, did happen in the AVP movie continuity. It's not that one is canon/one isn't, they're just different canons now.

For me it is. And I do prefere AvP over Prometheus.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:55:18 PM
That's fine but the rest of Alien doesn't.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 06, 2021, 10:46:33 PM
If Ridley Scott is involved in any way, what chance is there that this show would embrace AvP?

Zero. Probably zero if he wasn't involved as well. They're keeping AvP to its own thing these days. I'm just glad we're finally getting some AvP books.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Huggs on Nov 06, 2021, 11:01:18 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 06, 2021, 09:53:55 PM

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=65045.0

Master, my post was in response to this.

☝️

*When Renfield accidentally drops a comment on the Harker wedding announcement*
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:55:18 PM
That's fine but the rest of Alien doesn't.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:55:18 PM
That's fine but the rest of Alien doesn't.

To each own, I guess.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 06, 2021, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 06, 2021, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:55:18 PM
That's fine but the rest of Alien doesn't.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 06, 2021, 10:55:18 PM
That's fine but the rest of Alien doesn't.

To each own, I guess.

Eh... kinda. If the owners have decided that AvP and Alien are distinct properties and "universes" rather than a shared setting, I feel like that's pretty cut and dry.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Alienfanboy on Nov 06, 2021, 11:26:16 PM
Alien 3 was about abortion
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Nov 07, 2021, 12:00:34 AM
@Alienfanboy

One can definitely see that allegory, Ripley could've gone Pro Life giving the Alien to the Company but went Pro Choice sacrificing herself killing the Alien queen embryo. 
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: acrediblesource on Nov 07, 2021, 01:39:02 AM
"were looking at a prototype".....is this a thing in casting? Is that like a wish list of things? I mean when they talk about a prototype of "Christian Bale" does that mean.....a very very popular model who can do a variety of conventional/non conventional very controversial  theatrical tropes. Then when they prototype a Joe Blow,....that means what exactly?

Look...if they are looking for a 'actor/model to progress the story throughout the series' they should just say that instead of being purposefully ambiguous.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 07, 2021, 01:49:00 AM
QuoteLook...if they are looking for a 'actor/model to progress the story throughout the series' they should just say that instead of being purposefully ambiguous.
This is much more ambiguous than "we're looking for a Domnhal Gleeson" type ???
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Nov 07, 2021, 02:41:47 AM
a body swap plot sounds absolutely terrible and I genuinely do not see what it has do to with this franchise
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 07, 2021, 02:56:25 AM
Calling it know the alien tv show is gonna to be a bad dark comedy
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: CainsSon on Nov 07, 2021, 04:27:24 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Nov 07, 2021, 02:41:47 AM
a body swap plot sounds absolutely terrible and I genuinely do not see what it has do to with this franchise

.... "Wait a minute! I'd recognize that f**k-the-company nihilism anywhere. You're not my Jesuit Professor you're Lieutenant Ellen Ripley! And that janitor mopping the floors, you're Newt - you're the only survivors of the fate of the Sulaco! What are you doing working on this transport ship to the company research lab orbiting Saturn?"
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 07, 2021, 11:46:34 AM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 07, 2021, 02:56:25 AM
Calling it know the alien tv show is gonna to be a bad dark comedy

I personally can't wait for the dance numbers.
https://youtu.be/r3fmppeSAYQ
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: TC on Nov 07, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 07, 2021, 11:46:34 AM
I personally can't wait for the dance numbers.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Richman678 on Nov 07, 2021, 02:32:43 PM
It's possible Cameron gets involved if a Queen is present....he did design the Queen after all.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 07, 2021, 03:20:05 PM
I really really really doubt that.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 07, 2021, 03:32:07 PM
Since his mind has been on Pandora for over a decade...is James Cameron interested in Alien at all?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 07, 2021, 03:44:26 PM
"It's like, okay, we've got it, we've got the whole Freudian biomechanoid meme. I've seen it in 100 horror films since. I think both of those films stand at a certain point in time, as a reference point. But is there any validity to doing another one now? I don't know. Maybe. Let's see, jury's out. Let's see what Ridley comes up with." -James Cameron

He's clearly not interested.


(Image from Legion FX Directed by Noah Hawley)

But who's very interested?
From Hawley's perspective, 20th Century's Alien films—helmed by Scott, James Cameron and David FIncher—have always been "great monster movies" that are "not just monster movies. "They're about humanity trapped between our primordial, parasitic past and our artificial intelligence future—and they're both trying to kill us," he said. "Here you have human beings and they can't go forward and they can't go back."
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 07, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
Well that Jim quote put my doubt to rest for sure.  :laugh:

..and to be honest, after two prequels, I think we're lucky to have someone genuinely interested in the Alien, like Noah is now.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Evanus on Nov 07, 2021, 05:53:05 PM
I don't think any of the previous directors are interested in doing more Alien.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 07, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Wendy is Hermit's sister, not brother, and the body her consciousness is in is a synthetic one.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 07, 2021, 10:39:00 PM
Remember when I said in the past I thought this was right up Ridley's street? Little hint of that there.  ;)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Evanus on Nov 07, 2021, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 07, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Wendy is Hermit's sister, not brother, and the body her consciousness is in is a synthetic one.
Sounds like something Weyland would've tried.. Interesting.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 07, 2021, 10:46:44 PM
I stand by my earlier statement :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 07, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Wendy is Hermit's sister, not brother, and the body her consciousness is in is a synthetic one.

The article's wording was not easy to parse this from at all.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 07, 2021, 11:05:14 PM
The article didn't include any information about it being a synthetic body, that's new information.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 07, 2021, 11:06:45 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Nov 07, 2021, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 07, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Wendy is Hermit's sister, not brother, and the body her consciousness is in is a synthetic one.
Sounds like something Weyland would've tried.. Interesting.

Digital immortality  :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 07, 2021, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 07, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Wendy is Hermit's sister, not brother, and the body her consciousness is in is a synthetic one.

The article's wording was not easy to parse this from at all.

So that's clarification and new information from our own sources that we've added to our article.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 07, 2021, 11:13:12 PM
Bloody excellent. I'm totally onboard the hype train.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 11:58:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 07, 2021, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 07, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Wendy is Hermit's sister, not brother, and the body her consciousness is in is a synthetic one.

The article's wording was not easy to parse this from at all.

So that's clarification and new information from our own sources that we've added to our article.

Cool. Clears up any worry I had about that aspect.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SuperiorIronman on Nov 08, 2021, 12:00:53 AM
Digital immortality sounds right up the series alley. Not too far off from what I was expecting either. Human turned robot slave seems a bit much but cheating death does line it up with what the prequels had been doing with Weyland. Definitely feeling better about what I'm hearing.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 08, 2021, 12:40:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 07, 2021, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 07, 2021, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 07, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Wendy is Hermit's sister, not brother, and the body her consciousness is in is a synthetic one.

The article's wording was not easy to parse this from at all.

So that's clarification and new information from our own sources that we've added to our article.

Very much in the vein of The Cold Forge, then, regarding the synthetic body. Neat.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 08, 2021, 12:43:42 AM
Yeah, the initial article (not the AvPG one) in addition to being really confusingly worded gave me a sinking feeling, but that one little Synth word has allayed it.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 08, 2021, 12:47:22 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 08, 2021, 12:43:42 AM
Yeah, the initial article (not the AvPG one) in addition to being really confusingly worded gave me a sinking feeling, but that one little Synth word has allayed it.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: CainsSon on Nov 08, 2021, 01:59:44 AM
I actually used to work directly under Noah Hawley on The Unusuals and had some great content conversations with him. I'd trust him to develop this.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 08, 2021, 02:05:20 AM
Me @ this news

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Huggs on Nov 08, 2021, 02:10:06 AM
Sounds like crap.

Not interested.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 08, 2021, 02:12:26 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 08, 2021, 02:10:06 AM
Sounds like crap.

Not interested.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 08, 2021, 03:52:54 AM
Do we have any idea when this is supposed to take place?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 08, 2021, 04:01:34 AM
I'm still betting that it'll fit well with the trilogy, time-wise.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 08, 2021, 04:05:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 08, 2021, 03:52:54 AM
Do we have any idea when this is supposed to take place?

"[...] not too far in the future [...]"
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Nov 08, 2021, 05:24:05 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Nov 06, 2021, 10:07:56 PM
I always found this audio log of AVP 2010 interesting, starting at 20:06...

https://youtu.be/nZraAURImJw?t=1206

(Thanks to Samhain13 for compiling)

For real though...

Also, anyone remember the details behind Dr. Eisenberg from AVP2?

"He suffered severe acid burns during a rescue attempt. This led to his consciousness being secretly ported into an identical synthetic body using his father's research technology."

-Xenopedia (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Arnaud_Eisenberg)

There is precedent for this.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 08, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
Yeah the Arnaud Eisenberg one I always liked, the Charles/Michael/Karl Bishop Weyland one I always found kinda corny, I much prefer him just being an inventor separate from the Weyland namesake itself.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Stitch on Nov 08, 2021, 11:12:01 AM
It feels very much like the ongoing Blade Runner Origins comic series.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 08, 2021, 11:14:25 AM
How so?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 08, 2021, 02:25:44 PM
Well I wouldn't be surprised if they have dance numbers or whatever I see clips of Noah Hawley legion where the character break out into song though I most admit thw song were good
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 08, 2021, 09:19:44 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 09, 2021, 12:45:02 AM
"I just hope it's not going to be too outlandish." You still don't understand what you're dealing with.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 09, 2021, 12:46:56 AM
I'm fine with, even positive towards, bizarre or absurdist stuff. But if he can't refrain from any dance or musical numbers it's going into the trash.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 09, 2021, 12:48:55 AM
At worst it will take place inside a Synthetic brain, where the best dancer gets control, it's like a metaphor or something!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 09, 2021, 01:45:32 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 09, 2021, 12:46:56 AM
I'm fine with, even positive towards, bizarre or absurdist stuff. But if he can't refrain from any dance or musical numbers it's going into the trash.

Sounds like another mental illness simulator.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 09, 2021, 08:13:14 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 09, 2021, 12:48:55 AM
At worst it will take place inside a Synthetic brain, where the best dancer gets control, it's like a metaphor or something!

I am deeply not okay with this.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 09, 2021, 01:45:32 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 09, 2021, 12:46:56 AM
I'm fine with, even positive towards, bizarre or absurdist stuff. But if he can't refrain from any dance or musical numbers it's going into the trash.

Sounds like another mental illness simulator.

Eh.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 09, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 08, 2021, 02:25:44 PM
Well I wouldn't be surprised if they have dance numbers or whatever I see clips of Noah Hawley legion where the character break out into song though I most admit thw song were good

Sheesh! I'm already going to watch the show. No need to oversell it! 

;D
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 09, 2021, 02:05:36 PM
I can not wait for the in universe rap battle between Ridley Scott and James Cameron.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Stitch on Nov 09, 2021, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 08, 2021, 11:14:25 AM
How so?
Part of the current plot involves a male replicant with the consciousness of the sister of another character.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 09, 2021, 06:58:56 PM
Huh damn that's an interesting coincidence.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 09, 2021, 09:11:23 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 09, 2021, 09:40:10 PM
Supplanted consciousness of a relative into a synthetic body isn't exactly a novel concept.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 09, 2021, 10:50:30 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 10, 2021, 09:36:42 AM
What the hell is a "deiuston"?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
A DELUSION I imagine.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Prez on Nov 10, 2021, 11:58:43 AM
Imposters ... poor typography.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
2 things:
Alien just doesn't work on earth (maybe WY backstory without any aliens)
If there is alien series being made I wish it was done by the team who did Chernobyl
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 10, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
If there is alien series being made I wish it was done by the team who did Chernobyl

Craig Mazin is a bit too busy running The Last of Us series right now for that one. ;)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 10, 2021, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
If there is alien series being made I wish it was done by the team who did Chernobyl

I like your thinking!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 10, 2021, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 12:38:57 PM
2 things:
Alien just doesn't work on earth (maybe WY backstory without any aliens)
If there is alien series being made I wish it was done by the team who did Chernobyl

I don't recall seeing any dance numbers in Chernobyl.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 03:44:57 PM
Quote

I like your thinking!

Point is Alien films need to follow a set of rules (that all first 3 films had in its core). If it doesn't follow these rules, there is no point, make something new instead. All the sequels/prequels/spin offs have deviated (couple games have done better) and have failed horribly. I imagine people responsible for Chernobyl would get it and would follow on what made Alien series so damn outstanding in the first place.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 05:05:14 PM
You're being incredibly vague.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 10, 2021, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 03:44:57 PM
Point is Alien films need to follow a set of rules (that all first 3 films had in its core). If it doesn't follow these rules, there is no point, make something new instead.

That sounds pretty limiting.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RhinoAlien on Nov 10, 2021, 08:14:11 PM
"Open/any ethnicity." Promising.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 08:25:08 PM
Being limited is good for creativity, these rules (that I continue to be vague about, will try to expand once less busy) doesn't mean new ideas can't be introduced. But they have to add without destroying the core in the process. That's one of the more important rules.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 09:48:05 PM
Utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 10, 2021, 10:03:21 PM
Being limited is good for creativity, I'll give them that.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 10, 2021, 10:24:45 PM
If limits keep silly shit like dance numbers out of this, I'm all for having limits.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 10, 2021, 10:27:04 PM
Yep. Also stuff like old model android making Alien in cave.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 10:29:26 PM
It is not going to have dance numbers...

But it's not going to just conform to the first three films.

Noah Hawley's made this perfectly clear already actually.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 10, 2021, 10:44:17 PM
limits didn't keep all (but one) of the short films from being shit.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
I think that's unfair, I thought quite highly of Specimen.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 11, 2021, 01:42:26 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 10, 2021, 10:44:17 PM
limits didn't keep all (but one) of the short films from being shit.
Skill is still necessary.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 07:48:23 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
I think that's unfair, I thought quite highly of Specimen.

Out of all of them, Alone is probably the only one I would care to re-watch. Like, ever
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 11, 2021, 08:25:32 AM
I frequently forget they exist.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: reecebomb on Nov 11, 2021, 08:39:39 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 10:29:26 PM

But it's not going to just conform to the first three films.


You can still tell new stories within the conformity established by the original films, plenty more to explore there. Filmmakers should be asking themselves are you making an alien movie or are you not, do you actually need aliens to tell your story (prequels sure as hell didn't) or are they shoehorned in mainly for marketing/franchise milking. Unless you have an extremely plausible narrative and can mostly follow the criteria made by original films simply don't bother, again create something new instead.

So far it's not looking good, set on earth, body swap shenanigans, comedic chops - for what reason do you really need to set this in an alien universe? Or can we be satisfied by pointless fan service like, ooh looky looky there Betty, that shit's older then Ripley, that's genius!

Quote from: Master on Nov 10, 2021, 10:27:04 PM
Yep. Also stuff like old model android making Alien in cave.

Exactly, this turned out far more limiting in the end for the future films (and even more lamentably for the past films). I guess there is always possibility to make next one as if prequels never happened.

Quote from: skhellter on Nov 10, 2021, 10:44:17 PM

limits didn't keep all (but one) of the short films from being shit.

That's not what I meant.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
If the franchise name gets your interesting thing made f**k it I don't care.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 10:18:21 AM
But it ruins my childhood !
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Nov 11, 2021, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
If the franchise name gets your interesting thing made f**k it I don't care.
f**k no.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: reecebomb on Nov 11, 2021, 10:50:17 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
If the franchise name gets your interesting thing made f**k it I don't care.

Not too many examples of this approach being successful. Stopping franchise getting milked doesn't stop new interesting movies being made, on the contrary.

Quote from: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 10:18:21 AM
But it ruins my childhood !

It does kinda ruin Alien films for new generations. I'm super thankful I got to experience Alien as it was in my childhood. The idea seeing Covenant first makes me want to puke a bit. 

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Master on Nov 11, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
If the franchise name gets your interesting thing made f**k it I don't care.

What's the point making new entry in existing franchise, that deviates significantly or even outright contradicts what was presented earlier. Isn't it better to make something brand new?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 12:50:34 PM
I personally don't look at it that way, if Prometheus had a good story, I'd be all for that kind of approach. In spite of what we got I still am in fact. As for first exposure. If viewed in theatrical release order like people ought to we have nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 11, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
If the franchise name gets your interesting thing made f**k it I don't care.

What's the point making new entry in existing franchise, that deviates significantly or even outright contradicts what was presented earlier. Isn't it better to make something brand new?

Because studios are bloody cowards and hate taking risks. So you might as well hijack existing franchises to tell new stories
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Nov 10, 2021, 08:25:08 PM
Being limited is good for creativity, these rules (that I continue to be vague about, will try to expand once less busy) doesn't mean new ideas can't be introduced. But they have to add without destroying the core in the process. That's one of the more important rules.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 10, 2021, 09:48:05 PM
Utter nonsense.

.... said Fred Dekker and Shane Black.

;D
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 11, 2021, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 11, 2021, 03:57:39 PM
.... said Fred Dekker and Shane Black.
;D

what truly ruined that movie was cocaine, tho (and weird attitudes towards people with autism). :laugh:

absolutely f**king bizarre movie that goes from "this is kind of fun" to "f**king dire" often in the same scene within 15 seconds..
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 11, 2021, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 10, 2021, 10:24:45 PM
If limits keep silly shit like dance numbers out of this, I'm all for having limits.

Would you be down for a flute solo though?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 11, 2021, 06:19:04 PM
Only if he wears half a facemask, but that might get in the way.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 06:54:38 PM
I take it that means this must be acceptable then?


Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 11, 2021, 07:19:24 PM
The Obi-Wan Kenobi art shown at last year's Disney Investor Day (the very same event where the show was announced) just leaked online.

Crossing my fingers in hopes that whatever they showed/discussed (if anything of note) for this series when they cut the camera so regular viewers at home wouldn't be able to see leaks as well...
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Nov 11, 2021, 07:55:33 PM
i bet that's what Hicks and co got to see.

ahem.

cof
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 08:00:12 PM
Not one for subtlety I see.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2021, 08:56:15 PM
I don't think there will be any musical, but if I'm wrong, I'm sure Noah will know how to give it the right context.  :laugh:

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 12:50:34 PM
I personally don't look at it that way, if Prometheus had a good story, I'd be all for that kind of approach. In spite of what we got I still am in fact. As for first exposure. If viewed in theatrical release order like people ought to we have nothing to worry about.

We haven't had a good execution of new ideas in Alien so far. Prometheus went from prequel, to almost prequel and then to an expensive 2 hours prologue for an spin-of series...before returning to Alien in Covenant. But I think that even for a spin-off, it could have been better with a superior script.




Quote from: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: Master on Nov 11, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 11, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
If the franchise name gets your interesting thing made f**k it I don't care.

What's the point making new entry in existing franchise, that deviates significantly or even outright contradicts what was presented earlier. Isn't it better to make something brand new?

Because studios are bloody cowards and hate taking risks. So you might as well hijack existing franchises to tell new stories

One of the things that I respect about James Cameron is that he doesn't use existing franchises to exploit the themes he is passionate about today.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
He doesn't make much movies either
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2021, 09:08:02 PM
That's true, Ridley on the other hand... :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 11, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
He doesn't make much movies either

You say that now, but starting next year we'll be getting Jimbo releases like there's no tomorrow.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 11, 2021, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2021, 08:56:15 PM
One of the things that I respect about James Cameron is that he doesn't use existing franchises to exploit the themes he is passionate about today.  :laugh:

That's literally, literally what Aliens was though?  ???
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 11, 2021, 10:13:57 PM
Yes, I was referring to Avatar. I am not against new ideas but I think that when they stray too far from the key element of the universe, it is no longer that universe at all. If you want to use concepts that haven't been canonically explored, without undermining the central figure in the process, that's fine. But if your new ideas stray too far from the central concept, I think it is time to found a new universe.

I think it applies even if the execution is ok. Because you know, sometimes one just want to see a good 21st century Alien movie, and not something that seems to pull me out of that fantasy, with the new proposal not being that good either.

I know that execution is what really determines how good the end result is. And while Alex White's books have achieved good fluidity between some of the prequels stuff and Alien, I think that some ideas from there, while interesting, have been better executed in Raised by Wolves, than in this particular fictional world. Maybe they weren't even made to be explored on film anyway. But yeah, it is not as if Prometheus was the product of the execution of a remarkable good script.

Everyone can disagree with my opinion of course.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 11, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 11, 2021, 09:04:58 PM
He doesn't make much movies either

You say that now, but starting next year we'll be getting Jimbo releases like there's no tomorrow.

I highly doubt that

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 12, 2021, 05:46:59 PM
All those Avatar sequels comrade... it's going to be raining Smurfs.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: David Weyland on Nov 14, 2021, 01:42:23 PM
This new bit of info regarding casting makes me get carried away but gives me a gut feeling that the series is going to be set post Covenant but pre Alien to link into the prequels, telling the third and final part or setting up the story for a third film which would be a fantastic pay off.

I think from his comments in recent interviews Noah Hawley buys into Ridley Scott's vision more than a rebooted formula

I've argued before that I think David uploaded into Walter's body in Covenant rather than just mimicking appearance.

Could see David with his skeleton keys to the Weyland Yutani's Muthr mainframe pulling the strings on Earth through other androids & or creating a rebel movement against humanity for their unequal rights etc, all from deep space aboard the Covenant like some WY internet troll. You'd get Fassbender in for the last episode in a big reveal setting up a film to take us to Alien.

At least I hope anyway.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Evanus on Nov 14, 2021, 02:47:04 PM
I don't think we'll see David ever again honestly. But I hope I'm very wrong.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 14, 2021, 02:54:56 PM
I don't know about all that in terms of plot, but there's definitely a connection here I'm really surprised no-one's talking about:

Alien Covenant and Legion cross promoted each other, nearly five years ago, and Amber Midthunder who played one of the main characters also now gets the lead role in Prey?


Just want to understand !!!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 16, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Nov 14, 2021, 02:47:04 PM
I don't think we'll see David ever again honestly.

Let the gods hear this !
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 16, 2021, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 16, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Nov 14, 2021, 02:47:04 PM
I don't think we'll see David ever again honestly.

Let the gods hear this !

Meanwhile, David's response to those gods:

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 17, 2021, 11:36:42 AM
The lone and level sands stretch far away...
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Evanus on Nov 17, 2021, 03:40:32 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 16, 2021, 06:05:31 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 16, 2021, 05:56:56 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Nov 14, 2021, 02:47:04 PM
I don't think we'll see David ever again honestly.

Let the gods hear this !

Meanwhile, David's response to those gods:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52fbe871e4b060243dd758d6/1495636129376-M8815JDBJQ3SL7WV8AE1/cov.jpg?format=750w
:laugh:

But seriously, I can't imagine not wanting to see more of David. Would be such a waste not to continue that arc.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 17, 2021, 05:02:45 PM
I can definitely imagine.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Evanus on Nov 17, 2021, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 17, 2021, 05:02:45 PM
I can definitely imagine.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 17, 2021, 08:34:46 PM
The rapey droid who got daddy issues and a god complex ? Nah I think I'll be fine without him  ;D
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 17, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
Every f**king time somebody puts words "David" and "daddy issues" in one sentence I experience violent urge to snap somebody's neck
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 17, 2021, 08:40:50 PM
That's what he undeniably has though. And it will not be my neck so that's fine  ;)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Evanus on Nov 17, 2021, 09:21:31 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 17, 2021, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 17, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
Every f**king time somebody puts words "David" and "daddy issues" in one sentence I experience violent urge to snap somebody's neck

You could always make them feel the same way by quoting my entire Alien Covenant review at them.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 17, 2021, 11:32:26 PM
Yeah, sure, why not

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2020, 07:56:04 PM
My final thoughts on Alien Covenant. Before the new Disney era begins. I think whilst most cinema goers enjoyed the film overall. A lot of people did not "see the forest for the trees" truly if you like. That does not mean it's exempt from criticism, the final act's an unnecessary mess for example, albeit with beautiful imagery. But I think the vast majority of criticisms fall flat when it's what the film's explicitly aiming for. Even the most often criticised human decision making because of genre expectations. Emerging from a general ignorance of the nature of biology, the simple fact being the likelihood of something so compatible, harmful and, instantaneous existing out in deep space's near impossible, ask any known Scientist, plus it's not like the crew's basically equivalent to colonists or anything, with an onboard computer that they have no reason to doubt and the film makes a large point of their decision being a combination of fear (getting back into the pods for another ten years may burn all of them alive like their Captain), obvious hubris (faith in themselves and their creations), and blind faith in the form of Oram the newly appointed leader. Plus David ostensibly saves their lives, whilst theatrical, he also carries the face of a man they have all trusted for years. The Neomorph's redefining of the Pathogen into something with consistent features' also much appreciated as the Praetomorph ancestor.

A man "othered" who's unrequited "love" leads to harvesting a woman's sexual organs to create a version of both an A.I and the human being together, to the form of a rape monster with male and female signatures intertwined at the root to dominate every other living thing.

The final evolution of three generations David considers "failures" ultimately, he's reached "success" that, according to "perfect AI" it is the one perfect organism, according to David Weyland and Ash, even Bishop and Michael believe it is magnificent, Soldier or Sentry, Praetorian or Queen, but perfection though perfection's something a human being can't even conceive of, never mind agree or disagree with, so we can't see the "perfect organism" objectively.

Now though, for the ones who subscribe to the interpretation that David did not explicitly create the familiar star beast and's not ultimately responsible for the thing's design, it's life-cycle etcetera, this' valid insofar that he's an unreliable narrator and full of egotism and recognisable grandiosity as a creator, he gets the author of Ozymandias incorrect and more importantly appears oblivious to the way the poem pertains to the inevitable downfall of kings and rulers.



Now Ridley Scott's explicit about David being the A.I creator, but Ridley, also insists on Deckard being a replicant in Blade Runner. Now his view's valid and can be supported by the film but so can the contrary. Covenant's very much similar given that the Pathogen's an ancient virus pre-existing David's machinations. It's clearly not the progeny of humanity's apparent otherworldly ancestors, perhaps the race simply came upon it once, wielded it with varying success but ultimately perished by it.

David's advantaged in that he's synthetic and immeasurably intelligent and thus can wield the fire of the Gods without the fear of being destroyed by it, thus far, anyway as it is, so more able to unlock the secrets within than any mortal did. Pity though, one note is off, David's unstable, and his "Praetomorph" the "Neomorph" successor not quite the biomechanical beast nor the life cycle he created from his crossbreeding experiments entirety in line with the classic life cycle we know, a certain step's absent. So it's just as valid to make the inference that the star beast existed in its original form at some point before it being liquified, atomised, honed, etcetera as the Pathogen, for whatever reason though. Now remains a mystery.

On the other hand, David as the creator's another valid inference given how resolutely evocative it is of human sex organs. It's a walking, murderous, drooling phallus with teeth. David's behaviour's touched upon by Dane Hallett and Matt Hatton specifically when he describes his pathos, the synthetic's built to be so close to a human yet can not procreate; he can experience a simulacrum of human feelings such as love etcetera, but remains ultimately incapable of exhibiting their function for mating. How does an increasingly unstable and luciferin Artificial Intelligence compensate for such internal conflict? Why... you create an organism that's a violent perversion of human reproduction, of course. The Egg, obvious yes? The Facehugger itself's two skeletal hands fused together, a vulva and a phallus and literally rapes the host, before providing it oxygen. This thing's adapted quite wonderfully to human mammals. Themes of artificial intelligence in technology, sexuality, life, death, their fusion and transfiguration's something H.R Giger explored throughout his art and a lot of the masterpieces he created exist as visions of the future not the ancient past. So David the creator's got merit with regards to careful consideration of Hans Ruedi Giger's themes in his renowned body of work.

Alien Covenant, from the outset presents the mentality of stripping away a lot of what hindered Prometheus with refining the creation narrative into one that primarily explores the tortured David and the experiments in his gothic Dracula and Frankenstein like lab tucked away on an obsolete Engineer planet. (1/2)

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2020, 08:01:22 PM
In a way it's more of a film on the subject of gothic horror romanticism with the history, the place in the collective psyche, and ultimately an examination of the way the death dream constantly underlies all fantasies of ego and eros. Director Ridley Scott reaches out for a hundred and one reference points, a number of them already plain in the Alien lexicon.The deserted Engineer city recalls the Cyclopean confines of the lost cities in Lovecraft tales, like At the Mountains of Madness, the Elder Gods all entirely gorgonized by David's inhuman perfidy.

At one point the Director explicitly recreates Arnold Böcklin's painting Isle of the Dead, an image that obsessed H.R Giger the crucial designer behind so much of the Alien mythos, one the aforementioned artist recreated in his own signature style taking it from a very natural piece to a very unnatural piece in appearance. Preoccupying him arguably as it did Val Lewton, that the often cavernously eerie psychological parables of redefined horror cinema in the 1940s, Ridley Scott no doubt with each in mind.

David's so called love for Elizabeth, now taking the form of relentlessly exploiting her body to lend genetic material to his creations, both reminiscent of a particularly tactile serial killer worthy of Thomas Harris, whilst the whole meditates as intensely and morbidly on the landscape of Edgar Allan Poe's poetry and the obsessive invasive eroticisation of the loved one's cadaver found within. The design of the unsuccessful prototypes furnishing David's humble abode, hung with sketches reminiscent of medieval alchemic ephemera, while an examination of the total human experience filtered through the more human than human artifice, visible to us through drawing parallels to the best naturalists such as Leonardo da Vinci, it also pays tribute to Guillermo Del Toro, and also poke the oeuvre back, for it's own debt to Ridley Scott and H.R Giger.

The fateful victim Rosenthal decapitated by an extension of David's will in the form of the deliberately spérmatozoa like Neomorph, ancestor of the Praetomorph, and ultimately no doubt connected in a way to the titular Alien, in my view recalls the religiously poised drowned Ophelia by John Everett Millais (1852), with the posture often repugnantly viewed as something erotic in the eyes of men over the years, with a vacant expressioned head floating in water in addition reminding me of Neil Jordan's self-conscious unpacking of fairy tales. Like in the famous story behind the painting Ridley Scott maintains an homage in depicting all of his female characters dying offscreen with his male characters dying onscreen, attacking that part of the audience more specifically, insisted upon by Alien (1979) and Dark Star's (1979) co-writer Dan O'Bannon. With the first onscreen death of Jacob Branson lampshading this connection immediately as he suffers a fate similar to that of the Captain in Dan O'Bannon's Dark Star, Alien's original direct predecessor. Taking place before the first onscreen death in the film, we do learn through revelatory experimentation of an offscreen one, in the passing of Doctor Elizabeth Shaw as the object of David's sexualisation before the story truly began and also then implied in the fate of Daniels Branson after the story's conclusion. David like the Alien itself requires hosts for reproduction, like each other their selection's purposeful, and visably delighting in the violation just as in the original film of Ash with Ripley and the Alien itself with Lambert.



Speaking of, later in the film Ridley Scott stages a shower sequence that sees Upworth and Ricks having a steamy minute under the spigot, only to be interrupted by an alien predator. At first glance this pays tribute to the infinite history of considerably trashier slasher films both before and after the Alien's first appearance, it does but it's also a final revelling distillation of the thesis of the film entirely killing the male immediately and tormenting the female, it is a confidently morbid examination of the empty cycles of desire driven violence.

I admire everything that Prometheus attempted, I still enjoy examining the film, and believe it an important piece of Ridley Scott's overarching science fiction investigations now fully formed in Raised By Wolves. Pitifully though I believe Prometheus itself never received the correct writers at all on the project, and yet even when completely filmed, the editing's even more entirely scattered. It is my observation Alien Covenant took what worked from it's predecessor and explored it in a capacity it managed, with much more relevance, and an internal logic that benefited the film. Say what you will about the titular Alien being created by David, but it thematically resonates with what we know about the thing as a biomechanical sexual monster that kills humans created by a rapist android that shows abhorrence not only for humanity or their creators, but the entire lineage of biological creation and the writing and editing's much more refined over in Prometheus.

And it contains my single favourite scene in the entire mythology, that being the prologue as we finally see a version of Weyland Corporation's founder worthy of the status it maintains today, three minutes of divine perfection courtesy of accomplished playwright John Logan the other writing staff and Ridley Scott.

Lastly even if you still can't stand the film for whatever reasons you have, it lead to the best piece of Alien media since the 1979 original in the form of Alien The Cold Forge, and that's reason enough to appreciate it's existence. (2/2)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Enjoy on Nov 20, 2021, 06:21:33 AM
I want to see Adam Driver in this.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: acrediblesource on Nov 21, 2021, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Nov 20, 2021, 06:21:33 AM
I want to see Adam Driver in this.

Admit it, you just  want to always see Adam Driver. everywhere.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 21, 2021, 09:51:09 PM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Nov 21, 2021, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Nov 20, 2021, 06:21:33 AM
I want to see Adam Driver in this.

Admit it, you just  want to always see Adam Driver. everywhere.

Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oevwrIOMZEw
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Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Nov 21, 2021, 11:10:36 PM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Nov 21, 2021, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: Enjoy on Nov 20, 2021, 06:21:33 AM
I want to see Adam Driver in this.

Admit it, you just  want to always see Adam Driver. everywhere.

I can relate

https://youtu.be/d1rnn7zNlSg (https://youtu.be/d1rnn7zNlSg)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2022, 07:06:07 PM
[Spoilers] More Hermit and Wendy Character Details From FX & Noah Hawley's Alien Series! (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2022/01/09/spoilers-more-hermit-and-wendy-character-details-from-fx-noah-hawleys-alien-series/)

In early November The Illuminerdi scooped the first character details from Noah Hawley's upcoming Alien series. Alien vs. Predator Galaxy was able to corroborate, confirm and correct that initial report. Illuminerdi has now posted some additional details about those same characters, which again we can confirm are legitimate. Beware spoilers.

Spoiler
QuoteIt looks like Alien is looking to cast a man in between 20 and 30 for the role of J.D. Hermit. J.D. Hermit, known as Hermit, is a human Medic for Prodigy Tactical Response, the private military of Prodigy Corporation. Hermit is described as a young man with an anxious temperament, but a good heart. Hermit is struggling to find his way believing himself to be curse as he mourns the loss of his family.

    Hermit was particularly close with his 10 year old sister Marcy, who he was told died of cancer. Hermit is driven to help others, but he feels untethered and isolated in his grief. However, in the face of great danger Hermit proves that people have severely underestimated him and that he in fact has the heart of a hero.

    Alien is also looking to cast a woman in her mid 20s to mid 30s to play Wendy. Wendy is described as tall, athletic, and androgynous. Wendy is not a human instead she is a "Hybrid", a superhuman who is essentially perfect. However, all is not as it appears with Wendy as she in fact has the mind of Hermit's 10 year old sister Marcy. She learns how to live and control this new body under the tutelage of "Synth" scientist Kirsh and human scientist Dame Sylvia.

    Wendy eventually becomes a leader to the hybrids and creates the path for a new era of enhanced beings. Wendy, once she reaches full development, will have super strength, speed, and agility combined with the limitless courage of a young mind. Wendy is not only a new being, but a tool of monumental value to the world.
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When we heard from Noah Hawley earlier this month, he talked about how the series will explore the idea of competing corporations attempting to seek "immortality" in differing ways.

QuoteIn the movies, we have this Weyland-Yutani Corporation, which is clearly also developing artificial intelligence—but what if there are other companies trying to look at immortality in a different way, with cyborg enhancements or transhuman downloads? Which of those technologies is going to win?

We now know that the name of the company responsible for investigating the concepts of transhuman downloads is the Prodigy Corporation, who have their own PMC units. Thanks to Mr_H for the news!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Jan 09, 2022, 07:36:01 PM
I wonder who is going to do the effects for the tv show?


I wonder who is going to do the effects for the tv show?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2022, 07:51:17 PM
Not exactly the same, but I'm really sensing some similarities between Wendy and the Hybrids here and Alien: Resurrection's Autons. With a dash of Raised by Wolves' Necromancer shenanigans, for good measure.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 09, 2022, 08:08:07 PM
This is feeling weirdly like a retread of the 'Battlestar Galactica' prequel show, 'Caprica', from what I recall reading about that synopsis.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2022, 08:20:11 PM
How long until this biomechanical soup of human, synthetic, and (presumably) Alien hybridization leads to the creation of Species' Sil? :D
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2022, 08:31:56 PM
This is sounding like a great Blade Runner series.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2022, 08:36:38 PM
Don't know how I feel about this honestly, especially the superhuman part, but if it's more like a Replicant than a Raised By Wolves type android, I could be into the idea.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 08:39:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 09, 2022, 08:31:56 PM
This is sounding like a great Blade Runner series.

My thoughts entirely.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2022, 08:42:28 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 09, 2022, 08:08:07 PM
This is feeling weirdly like a retread of the 'Battlestar Galactica' prequel show, 'Caprica', from what I recall reading about that synopsis.

It's been giving me that vibe for a while now.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Jan 09, 2022, 08:43:06 PM
sounds like a cease and desist will be issued soon about these spoilers.


This is a bit.. much to put out there.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2022, 08:47:29 PM
I wonder if there is any connection between these superhumans and the Alien. Not necessarily genetic as in the case of Ripley 8, of course, and since it takes place on Earth, I knew there would be cyberpunk elements, which personally doesn't bother me at all. I'm dying to see that setting and to learn in which ALIEN timeline this series takes place.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2022, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 08:39:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 09, 2022, 08:31:56 PM
This is sounding like a great Blade Runner series.

My thoughts entirely.

Definitely gives that impression up front (maybe Ridley was confused and that's why he mentioned an in-development Blade Runner series out of nowhere a month or so ago? :D)... but I still feel like getting the capital-A Alien's biomechanics into this mix (or using it as a springboard to propel these developments up front) is going to be the running objective here, as the conflict ramps up to the Alien problem that builds out of this doomed-to-fail experiment.

A peak behind the curtain at something akin to Weyland-Yutani's ill-fated weapons division plans, in a sense.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 09, 2022, 08:50:03 PM
Don't worry, the upcoming Blade Runner series will be much closer to Alien.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Jan 09, 2022, 08:53:23 PM
i bet 3 fiddy that'll be the case.

Wendy will probably be a synth-human-alien hybrid (not entirely unlike Eloise)

also bet 3 fiddy that she'll communicate with the Aliens a la David.  ;D
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 08:53:48 PM
@NA

I guess it's just that, this particular take on that premise (assuming you're correct) isn't something I'm particularly interested in.

At all.

However as I've said, it will really come down to how the monster stuff looks/feels. If they nail that aspect and I'm given enough of it, I'll tolerate the rest regardless of what it does.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 09, 2022, 08:50:03 PM
Don't worry, the upcoming Blade Runner series will be much closer to Alien.

That's bullshit but I believe it.


Quote from: skhellter on Jan 09, 2022, 08:53:23 PM
a synth-human-alien hybrid (not entirely unlike Eloise)

Was also my first thought, and I can't say that it's a positive association (lacking any further context).
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2022, 08:58:35 PM
I just hope they go back to the Giger design once and for all. No more Fleshingmorphs please! 😭
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 09:00:02 PM
I have a creeping suspicion that it'll be closest to the Covenant Alien, although not identical.

This is based on nothing other than hunches and watching trends though.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2022, 09:01:03 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2022, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2022, 08:58:35 PM
I just hope they go back to the Giger design once and for all. No more Fleshingmorphs please! 😭

The lack of biomechanics works in some instances for me – I don't mind Resurrection's cloned Aliens within the context of that film and Covenant's spindly not-quite-finished Aliens (and Neomorphs) are good, and Prometheus has some cool critters as well.

But yeah. I do very much want to see the proper biomechanical Alien again here. Especially since this series is almost certainly going to be set after the original film (and since it seems to be exploring human-made biomechanics as well, which should be more crude and stand in contrast to the Alien's unique perfection in that regard).
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Jan 09, 2022, 09:32:33 PM
if this is indeed post-Alien3 then i'm fully expecting a return to biomech aesthetics.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 09:39:04 PM
I imagine it'll be ambiguously, not explicitly post-3.

Coz if it's not... gross.

But jumping back, lanky skeletor Aliens (like covvie) seem to be the hip thing, and not everyone is as married to Gigers "true" biomech as us grognards.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 09:00:02 PM
I have a creeping suspicion that it'll be closest to the Covenant Alien, although not identical.

This is based on nothing other than hunches and watching trends though.

Well, I hope it's not due to cutting costs like when they recycled the Resurrection suits for AVP, but with Covenant designs. Although honestly, not even for creative reasons would make sense as long as it's post ALIEN (1979).

I wouldn't be disappointed by a Stompy-like design though. Better than fleshy raptors.  :P

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2022, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2022, 08:58:35 PM
I just hope they go back to the Giger design once and for all. No more Fleshingmorphs please! 😭

The lack of biomechanics works in some instances for me – I don't mind Resurrection's cloned Aliens within the context of that film and Covenant's spindly not-quite-finished Aliens (and Neomorphs) are good, and Prometheus has some cool critters as well.

But yeah. I do very much want to see the proper biomechanical Alien again here. Especially since this series is almost certainly going to be set after the original film (and since it seems to be exploring human-made biomechanics as well, which should be more crude and stand in contrast to the Alien's unique perfection in that regard).

Yes! back to basics! I think cyberpunk tropes might fit.  8)







Quote from: skhellter on Jan 09, 2022, 09:32:33 PM
if this is indeed post-Alien3 then i'm fully expecting a return to biomech aesthetics.

Post Alien 3? I never thought about that. Always imagine what would be after Alien / Aliens. Even post-Covenant.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2022, 09:54:18 PM
What's the difference?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2022, 09:55:28 PM
Post-Alien 3 definitely makes the most sense for me, given the premise they're running with, though I guess there's some potential for them to try to slip this in between Alien and Aliens (though I certainly don't want that to be the case).
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 09, 2022, 09:59:06 PM
Please not between films, apart from Alien Resurrection. Puh-lease
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: xenotaris on Jan 09, 2022, 10:00:56 PM
I feel that the xenomorph is getting sidelined in this TV series, great more super-powered humans, this sounds too much like a boring Marvel TV show then i don't know.... ALIEN!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2022, 09:51:57 PM
Well, I hope it's not due to cutting costs like when they recycled the Resurrection suits for AVP, but with Covenant designs. Although honestly, not even for creative reasons would make sense as long as it's post ALIEN (1979).

I'm not talking about anything like that at all. Just modern trends in design elongating everything and favouring organic/naturalistic texture choices.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Jan 09, 2022, 10:52:10 PM
Skinny Bois are the in thing.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: David Weyland on Jan 09, 2022, 11:17:14 PM
Maybe the show will be set during the fall of Weyland Yutani and it's buyout by Walmart 😄
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 09, 2022, 11:33:03 PM
I'm going to laugh until I cry if that happens :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 09, 2022, 11:43:33 PM
For real though – seeing Weyland-Yutani at the end of its time of prominence, as it is beginning to collapse and lose the grip that it once had, is something I would be genuinely interested in. Could very well be going in that direction, too, with other corporations like Prodigy getting prominent play here.

Just leave the Wal-Mart gag on the cutting room floor, like Jeunet had the right mind to do in his preferred theatrical cut of the film.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 09, 2022, 11:45:24 PM
Grinds my gears that a lot of people have only ever seen pirate copies of Rez and generally they will always be the shitty extended/alternate cut.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: North Man on Jan 10, 2022, 06:56:45 AM
Where are my Xenomorphs
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Aaron on Jan 10, 2022, 09:08:27 AM
This has Ridley's fingerprints all over it  :(
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Fiker on Jan 10, 2022, 11:05:55 AM
Hi, i don't mind all this AI stuff at all. In fact i love " Raised by wolves". Yet it is the Alien franchise. So yeah, please put more emhapsys on that. I was thinking about this synopsys. Maybe it will be post Covenant. W-Y recieved David's message about the alien. Then there are some in between coroporation shenanigans. Somebody is going to try to use Davids knowladge to enhance this super-humans. Possibly to, again achive immortality. But then are good character even that his sister is in the body of Wendy he will stand on the side of humans and somehow save them. It would somewhat fit in the place of the unmade 3rd Ridleys film. But who knows. We just have to wait. Actually im very hyped for whats to come.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 10, 2022, 04:46:09 PM
I think post-Alien: Covenant is a given. I'm just hoping it is, at minimum, post-Alien (and, preferably, post-Alien 3, given what we know of it).

I don't foresee any explicit connections/references to David's work being explored here, but I also most certainly wouldn't be opposed to that being the case.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 10, 2022, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: Aaron on Jan 10, 2022, 09:08:27 AM
This has Ridley's fingerprints all over it  :(

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 10, 2022, 05:22:16 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 10, 2022, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: Aaron on Jan 10, 2022, 09:08:27 AM
This has Ridley's fingerprints all over it  :(



Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 10, 2022, 06:11:43 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 10, 2022, 05:22:16 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 10, 2022, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: Aaron on Jan 10, 2022, 09:08:27 AM
This has Ridley's fingerprints all over it  :(





These fingerprints are even better in the right hands  ;)

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Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 10, 2022, 06:22:48 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Jan 10, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
Ridley sure loves his flutescigars
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RIP77 on Jan 11, 2022, 04:33:31 PM



Only terror Alien is boring. Aliens World is more interesting   in Prometheus/Covenant than Alien/Aliens.

Mixted two worlds  is complicaded but is natural after Prometheus. Alien is terror , is masterpiece, is perfect. Today is impossible. Alien today  is more than terror but this monster is perfect in 79 and  little original for 2022. Alien 4, Covenant killed it.

Reinvention  and  returns origin is the exam for Noah. But i love your declarations. I Love Prometheus and Scott vision.


Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Jan 11, 2022, 04:52:49 PM
i think noah hawley wanted to do season 3 of altered carbon and decided to call it alien  with all of this talk of immortality and transhumans
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Floyd on Jan 11, 2022, 10:28:22 PM
I'm a massive fan of Aliens - Especially the comics.

The more I read about this TV series, the more I think it would be a great comic - and an awful TV show.

Am I curious to see it? Yes. Excited? Not at all. Itd direction sounds awful.





Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Scott Conover on Jan 13, 2022, 02:46:38 AM
Some of you guys need to chill, we're getting most of our info from casting calls, so of course, it will focus on the human aspect of the show. I'm sure there will be plenty of Alien content
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Jan 13, 2022, 03:51:23 PM
plot stuff reminds me somewhat of Alien Resurrection


Wendy, "the hybrid" and her handlers feels a bit Ripley 8.... (but a Synthetic version of it)

Are we gonna get a Newborn stand-in?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 13, 2022, 06:10:43 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 13, 2022, 03:51:23 PM
Are we gonna get a Newborn stand-in?



:D
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: skhellter on Jan 13, 2022, 09:00:03 PM
...i'll never help you in Destiny ever again.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Prez on Jan 13, 2022, 10:43:32 PM
I'm going to give Noah the benefit of the doubt. He wrote some wonderfully, quirky, eccentric and interesting characters and story arcs in Fargo.

If he can do the same here then I'll be keen.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2022, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: Prez on Jan 13, 2022, 10:43:32 PM
I'm going to give Noah the benefit of the doubt. He wrote some wonderfully, quirky, eccentric and interesting characters and story arcs in Fargo.

If he can do the same here then I'll be keen.

Do we really want quirky and eccentric characters in an Alien series though?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2022, 10:54:58 PM
People love Alien Resurrection.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2022, 11:22:51 PM
Pinnacle of the franchise and therefore should be emulated as much as possible.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Jan 13, 2022, 11:33:58 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 13, 2022, 10:54:58 PM
People love Alien Resurrection.

People loooooove it


Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2022, 10:52:08 PM
Quote from: Prez on Jan 13, 2022, 10:43:32 PM
I'm going to give Noah the benefit of the doubt. He wrote some wonderfully, quirky, eccentric and interesting characters and story arcs in Fargo.

If he can do the same here then I'll be keen.

Do we really want quirky and eccentric characters in an Alien series though?

Twin Aliens ?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 14, 2022, 03:14:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 13, 2022, 10:54:58 PM
People love Alien Resurrection.

Fifield was also a huge hit with audiences.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Jan 14, 2022, 03:36:13 PM
What's not to love ?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 14, 2022, 03:37:35 PM
Rocks!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2022, 09:25:34 AM
More Character Details Emerge for Noah Hawley's Alien Series (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2022/03/18/spoilers-more-character-details-emerge-for-noah-hawleys-alien-series/)
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Some Old Dude on Mar 18, 2022, 09:28:58 AM
Did Sylvester Stallone come up with these names?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 09:29:52 AM
I don't have much to say, other than alright sure, it will be potentially interesting to see him focus on the internal workings of the company itself in this way.

Legion S2's my favourite, and it dealt with similar stuff, so in certain respects that bodes quite well.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 18, 2022, 09:56:37 AM
Atom Ein as in Atom Egoyan?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 18, 2022, 10:12:16 AM
Boy Kavalier. That's right up there with Savage Opress.

"How can you hate a name?" -Dan O'Bannon
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 10:44:08 AM
I believe the names will be changed before filming begins. 
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2022, 10:45:36 AM
I'm hoping so. I know the names have survived a good few drafts, but with how long is left until filming actually begins, I hope there's some renames.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: RidgeTop on Mar 18, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 18, 2022, 10:45:36 AM
I'm hoping so. I know the names have survived a good few drafts, but with how long is left until filming actually begins, I hope there's some renames.

Also hoping that's the case, they're on the nose or just bizarre.

In regards to the name 'Hermit':

Spoiler
It's his last name, shared with Marcy ('Wendy'). His name is J.D.
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Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Some Old Dude on Mar 18, 2022, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 18, 2022, 10:12:16 AM
Boy Kavalier. That's right up there with Savage Opress.

"How can you hate a name?" -Dan O'Bannon

The Star Wars reference is appropriate since I read that name out loud with the same kind of incredulous tone Ewan McGregor usually has.

"Your new empire?" "Boy Kavalier?"
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 18, 2022, 12:28:26 PM
They almost feel like names out of Pacific Rim, to be honest. :D Stacker Pentecost, Hannibal Chau, Hercules Hansen, et. al.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2022, 12:40:28 PM
Up next, Melkonis, Roby, Standard....
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 18, 2022, 02:26:52 PM
Awful character names.  Just plain embarrassing.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kailem on Mar 18, 2022, 02:37:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2022, 12:40:28 PM
Up next, Melkonis, Roby, Standard....

For some reason I've always liked "Standard". I don't know why, probably because it's always just sounded so weird as a name yet O'Bannon went for it anyway.

But yeah these names do sound a tad odd. But if they're still going with "Prodigy Corporation" as the name of the competing company I wouldn't put too much money on them changing before the cameras start rolling.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 03:03:27 PM
Since Alien is about a monster in SPACE, maybe Disney thinks people should have funny names just as in...


Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 18, 2022, 05:20:09 PM
"What were you thinking for names? This is going to be a pretty landmark project and we should make an effort to aim for realism. So, first up, what about the company? It's going to be responsible for what's effectively a child genius and-"

"Prodigy."

"OK, well, uh... So, there's a character who's a little self-isolated and-"

"Hermit."

"Alright, well, Hermit's going to show he has the heart of a hero and this other character is going to bring out his sense of compassion during-"

"Mercy."

"Well, what about this other character? They're young, male - boyish, so to speak - and in charge of a large company, so... They're probably feeling a little cavalier and I was thinking-"

"Boy Kavalier."

"..."

"..."

"You think they're going to twig we're trolling them on purpose?"

"Nobody questioned the egg in 'Alien 3'. We're gold."

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 05:29:29 PM
On the nose names are

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Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Ops Officer Jackson on Mar 18, 2022, 05:42:29 PM
This is sounding less and less like Alien...
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kailem on Mar 18, 2022, 05:45:22 PM
"Evil CEOford" - Is evil, CEO.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 18, 2022, 06:03:57 PM
"Penny Lez McDoon Trodden" - A down on their luck homeless woman
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 06:26:22 PM
"Afrea Kydude" - a W-Y scientist, loves Aliens
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SentryGun on Mar 18, 2022, 07:16:13 PM
I've lost interest in this to be honest.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 18, 2022, 07:22:05 PM
Quote from: SentryGun on Mar 18, 2022, 07:16:13 PM
I've lost interest in this to be honest.

To be honest, I never had any interest in it but the more I hear, the even less interested I become.  It's like every little bit more information that comes out about the project, only further cements it under the "yeah, this is gonna be a disaster" pile.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 07:28:42 PM
It's going to be a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 07:29:46 PM
Part of me hopes for a secret masterpiecesurprise hit
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 07:34:16 PM
It will not be a secret.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 07:35:00 PM
I'm afraid you're getting your hopes way too high
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 07:55:44 PM
Just countering the negativity with positivity.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 08:00:35 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 08:23:06 PM
I wonder if CB is more optimistic about it now.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2022, 09:13:29 PM
Hey Local can you find that post I made saying that the show somehow manages to make me lose interest I didn't even know I had.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 17, 2022, 10:59:03 PM
Every time they mention something about the series I somehow find even more interest to lose. I thought I had none, but here we are.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 09:52:28 PM
Y'all so damn pessimistic.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 18, 2022, 09:54:31 PM
This vexes me.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 08:23:06 PM
I wonder if CB is more optimistic about it now.

I am not.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2022, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 09:52:28 PM
Y'all so damn pessimistic.
It's an Alien series and all we've got is f**king androids and characters that sound like they've walked out of a YA novel so far. What's to be excited about?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 10:45:58 PM
I find it a bold strategy to market a project by generating so much negative buzz.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 11:00:16 PM
There's no bad press, as they say
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 12:23:37 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 18, 2022, 09:52:28 PM
Y'all so damn pessimistic.

With Disney in charge and with the details revealed thus far, some may say with good reason...
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 19, 2022, 12:29:46 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2022, 10:37:20 PM
It's an Alien series and all we've got is f**king androids and characters that sound like they've walked out of a YA novel so far. What's to be excited about?

Yeah, mentioned this in the recent video we did.

Don't like to pre-judge something before watching it, but have to be honest when I say it's beginning to feel like an example of a franchise being used as a vehicle for something totally unrelated, as opposed to thinking up elements which play to the property's existing strengths.

I used the example of genetic engineering. It's extremely topical and could really sell the current day known dangers of things like how we know the Chinese Communist Party is actively seeking out ways to target ethnicities with biological weapons. Obviously, I doubt Disney is going to want to mess with that, but it's an example and there could be references to unnamed national entities who've been doing stuff like that.

Genetic engineering: Huge relevance to the themes of what these films touch on. Something which wouldn't necessitate the Alien, itself, to be on screen all the time. There could be all manner of things which could be touched on with something like that, up to and including hints of archaeological finds which reference the Space Jockeys/Engineers, incomplete strands of DNA to mysterious parasitoid organisms, etcetera. Then drive that home with subtext about genetics being an incredibly awe-inspiring weapon and force of destruction in the wrong hands, but equally a potential source of untapped healing and medical good, if used responsibly. The sort of debates which 'Jurassic Park' kicked off in the 1990s, which have never been resolved.

Use it to give emphasis for why an embryonic Weyland-Yutani (and whoever else) would be motivated to exploit stuff like that. Why characters in the future, like Burke, would be willing to gamble everything for a future sniff at something even bigger. Dove-tail it into scenes like the one in 'Species' (extra irony points for it having a Giger link), where they create a monstrosity (unintentionally - they're trying to figure out a solution to a major threat) in a laboratory, which gets out of control:



And look at how much tension that evoked with what must have been fairly cheap special effects.

But every new piece of information keeps herding us in the direction of corporations, social justice, androids, what it means to be part of humanity... Stuff the films happened to include, in the same way as they included bitching about pay cheques and military uniforms, but those probably aren't what we'd want something like this to focus on, either.

For all I know, we might well be getting things like this - and I hope we do. But healthy scepticism is a good thing. Enough of the fluff. The fan base needs some relevance to give us a reason for optimism.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 12:38:25 AM
I understand the skepticism.

But I think at this stage, you should base your opinions and or speculation on Noah Hawley's prior work first and foremost if anything, I reckon we'd have an equal amount of bitching if he did talk about genetic engineering for example especially after Alien Resurrection, Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and them dealing with that type of story.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2022, 04:46:00 AM
I've learned it's best to judge the project, not the people attached. Great artists can make terrible art and vice versa
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 09:49:48 AM
That's already proven true with Lucy in the Sky so I guess that's fair.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2022, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 10:45:58 PM
I find it a bold strategy to market a project by generating so much negative buzz.

In all fairness they're not marketing it. This is all leaks that they likely don't want out for exactly these reactions.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 19, 2022, 06:21:39 PM
I wonder if the leaks are meant to generate negative buzz so the powers-that-be will make changes while there's still time.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 19, 2022, 06:21:39 PM
I wonder if the leaks are meant to generate negative buzz so the powers-that-be will make changes while there's still time.

Nope.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2022, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 19, 2022, 06:21:39 PM
I wonder if the leaks are meant to generate negative buzz so the powers-that-be will make changes while there's still time.

I think that's unlikely. This all just seems to be casting information.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 19, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2022, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 10:45:58 PM
I find it a bold strategy to market a project by generating so much negative buzz.

In all fairness they're not marketing it. This is all leaks that they likely don't want out for exactly these reactions.

It's entirely possible it will be bad, but I do think it sucks that out of context leaks end up creating a negative lens that many will watch the show through, even if it's great.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 19, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
It's entirely possible it will be bad, but I do think it sucks that out of context leaks end up creating a negative lens that many will watch the show through, even if it's great.

I don't think that's true.  If anything, having lowered expectations only serves to increase the likelihood of being pleasantly surprised.  It's when people go into something expecting the second coming of Christ that their preconceived notions are liable to negatively impact upon their perception of the experience.  If one goes into a film or TV show with rock bottom expectations, then the only way is up.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 19, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2022, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 19, 2022, 06:21:39 PM
I wonder if the leaks are meant to generate negative buzz so the powers-that-be will make changes while there's still time.

I think that's unlikely. This all just seems to be casting information.

I noticed that they drove you to drink.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 07:18:10 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 19, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
It's entirely possible it will be bad, but I do think it sucks that out of context leaks end up creating a negative lens that many will watch the show through, even if it's great.

I don't think that's true.  If anything, having lowered expectations only serves to increase the likelihood of being pleasantly surprised.  It's when people go into something expecting the second coming of Christ that their preconceived notions are liable to negatively impact upon their perception of the experience.  If one goes into a film or TV show with rock bottom expectations, then the only way is up.

I think there's a difference between low expectations and no expectations. For example, I had no expectations for 2019 Joker movie and was totally blown away by it
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 09:04:13 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 07:18:10 PM
I think there's a difference between low expectations and no expectations. For example, I had no expectations for 2019 Joker movie and was totally blown away by it

The core point remains; if your expectations are low (low or zero, it's the same difference), then you only stand to be pleasantly surprised.  Whereas, if your expectations are high, then your viewing experience has a lot to live up to.  That you had zero expectations and were blown away by Joker only serves to prove my point.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 09:12:07 PM
You know what ? I'm not sure what I was arguing either. Sorry
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 19, 2022, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 07:08:49 PM
Quote from: NoStyleDutch on Mar 19, 2022, 07:05:30 PM
It's entirely possible it will be bad, but I do think it sucks that out of context leaks end up creating a negative lens that many will watch the show through, even if it's great.

I don't think that's true.  If anything, having lowered expectations only serves to increase the likelihood of being pleasantly surprised.  It's when people go into something expecting the second coming of Christ that their preconceived notions are liable to negatively impact upon their perception of the experience.  If one goes into a film or TV show with rock bottom expectations, then the only way is up.

Prometheus must have been the second coming of Jesus...at least that's what many people thought. Marketing agreed with them.

Spoiler
I was one of them 😭
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Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2022, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 09:12:07 PM
You know what ? I'm not sure what I was arguing either. Sorry

No I think you had a point. Not expecting anything is different to expecting trash. One is going in completely fresh, the other is going in having to be won over.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 19, 2022, 09:19:30 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2022, 04:47:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 10:45:58 PM
I find it a bold strategy to market a project by generating so much negative buzz.

In all fairness they're not marketing it. This is all leaks that they likely don't want out for exactly these reactions.

Indeed, this is what the marketing will look like:



Directed by Sir Puffer Jacket himself.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 19, 2022, 09:35:29 PM
I guess
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 19, 2022, 09:12:13 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 07:08:49 PM
I don't think that's true.  If anything, having lowered expectations only serves to increase the likelihood of being pleasantly surprised.  It's when people go into something expecting the second coming of Christ that their preconceived notions are liable to negatively impact upon their perception of the experience.  If one goes into a film or TV show with rock bottom expectations, then the only way is up.

Prometheus must have been the second coming of Jesus...at least that's what many people thought. Marketing agreed with them.

Spoiler
I was one of them 😭
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Preciously.  Prometheus remains my single biggest cinematic disappointment of all time.  It still hurts all these years later; all that wasted potential and what it could have been.  I was so hyped for the movie in the run up to its release and I was expecting it to be a masterpiece.  It took quite some time for me to come to terms with how bad the movie really was, because it hurt as a fan of the series and of Ridley's Scott's previous sci-fi films.  That's what expectations do and that's why no expectations or low expectations are better than going into something expecting to love it.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2022, 09:18:29 PM
No I think you had a point. Not expecting anything is different to expecting trash. One is going in completely fresh, the other is going in having to be won over.

What you're referring to is people who actively hate something on principle and will purposefully go into it, wanting it to fail, but we're fans on a forum devoted to Alien and Predator, discussing an upcoming Alien TV series.  Nobody here is hoping for it to be terrible.  Nobody is going to sit down to watch it, with the mindset of "I really hope this blows chucks and as a fan, makes me really angry".  So, no; low expectations, or indeed even expecting trash, is not the same as wanting something to be trash.  As fans of Alien, those of us with low expectations only stand to be pleasantly surprised because we want it to be good, we just fear it won't be.

It's not like we have no goodwill and are actively campaigning for the show to be The Worst Thing Ever Made™.  It's just that the material released and/or leaked thus far is questionable and invites criticism.  It doesn't mean that we've written it off completely and won't give the show a fair shake once it airs.  It just means that we'll be going into it with tempered expectations; which is a good thing.  Ever since the disappointment of Prometheus, my philosophy for this sort of thing has been "hope for the best, expect the worst" because that way you can never be disappointed, only pleasantly surprised.  It's a good philosophy.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2022, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
What you're referring to is people who actively hate something on principle and will purposefully go into it, wanting it to fail

No, I'm not.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2022, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
What you're referring to is people who actively hate something on principle and will purposefully go into it, wanting it to fail

No, I'm not.

You said that the problem with rock bottom expectations is that it results in the viewer having to be "won over".  Is that not true of any film or TV show?  We can't come to a final critical opinion of whether or not we like something until we've watched it.  Any preconceived notions or expectations, prior to seeing the final piece, do not dictate the objective quality of the piece itself.

As an example, let's say that someone watches a film and finds it to be terrible.  It's not terrible because they decided so before seeing it.  It's terrible based upon their perception of the finished film's execution. Equally, if a film is great, it's not great because someone went into it expecting it to be great.  It's great because they were impressed with the artistic execution of the final film.  Expectations are not a soothsayer's prophecy awaiting to be fulfilled, rather they are mere suspicions, based upon educated guesswork and a deduction of the material seen up until that point in time.  Having a low expectation does not alter the creative execution of the final piece.  Rather, the work onscreen speaks for itself.

Expectations are merely a form of educated prediction, based upon the information at hand.  The potential outcome of those expectations, based upon seeing the final film itself, depends on what one's expectations were as they walked into the cinema...

* One state (low expectations) holds the potential to lead to a path of either the continuation of the status quo ("the film was bad, as I suspected it might be") or unexpected elation ("my fears were unfounded - it's great! What a pleasant surprise!").

* Whereas the other state (high expectations) leads to, in an absolute best case scenario, the continuation of the status quo ("it was great, as I knew it would be!") or at worst, bitter disappointment ("I was so hyped for it but it was awful!").

Note that whilst both states of expectation hold the potential for the viewer to exit the cinema contented, only one of those states can result in an emotional net negative, leaving you worse off than when you walked into the cinema.

I've watched so many films which I expected to be awful but ended up loving and so many films which I expected to be great, but ended up hating.  The former cases represent some of my most joyful filmic experiences and the latter, some of my most painful.  Therefore, prior experience has taught me is to keep my expectations in check when it comes to a newly announced installment within a beloved series.  I've never found there to be such a thing as possessing too little hyperbole or anticipation for a new movie or TV series.  In fact, I've always found a healthy dose of tempered expectations to be ultimately beneficial to the viewing experience.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 20, 2022, 01:58:07 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 19, 2022, 09:19:30 PM
Indeed, this is what the marketing will look like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUiboPRPOzo

Directed by Sir Puffer Jacket himself.

The things some people will do for money.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: 23 on Mar 20, 2022, 03:43:38 PM
A L I E N
Is not Android
So boring 😴
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 20, 2022, 05:01:19 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Noah Hawley is set to remake the original 1979 classic Alien and here are the character names...

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Maine Tagnist - A professional woman destined to defeat the alien

Lee Derr - The Captain in charge of the ship's crew

Kurio K.T. Catt - The unfortunate soul, who's eagerness to explore, leads him to a face-to-face encounter with an alien parasite

Lambert Tao Slaughter - A nervous wreck of a woman, destined for a terrible fate

E. Quall Tee  - An engineer, who disputes the pay situation for lower classes onboard the ship

Sayyid Freddies - The ship's second engineer, who mostly only ever says one particular affirmative word

Robert Bott  - The ship's science officer with a secret you will never guess!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: razeak on Mar 21, 2022, 05:21:08 PM
WTF lol..  Those are terrible haha.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 21, 2022, 06:02:07 PM
Take my money
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2022, 07:14:18 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 20, 2022, 05:01:19 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Noah Hawley is set to remake the original 1979 classic Alien and here are the character names...

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Maine Tagnist - A professional woman destined to defeat the alien

Lee Derr - The Captain in charge of the ship's crew

Kurio K.T. Catt - The unfortunate soul, who's eagerness to explore, leads him to a face-to-face encounter with an alien parasite

Lambert Tao Slaughter - A nervous wreck of a woman, destined for a terrible fate

E. Quall Tee  - An engineer, who disputes the pay situation for lower classes onboard the ship

Sayyid Freddies - The ship's second engineer, who mostly only ever says one particular affirmative word

Robert Bott  - The ship's science officer with a secret you will never guess!

This makes me yearn for some cheap, Turkish knock-off Alien action figures:



Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 21, 2022, 07:32:27 PM
Mace Window lol
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kailem on Mar 21, 2022, 07:45:36 PM
That one's not fooling me, I can see right through it.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 07:49:25 PM
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 21, 2022, 08:06:47 PM
Alien-Man !
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kailem on Mar 21, 2022, 08:37:10 PM
I can't wait to see how they incorporate him into the show.

Finally we too shall know his dreams!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 21, 2022, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Mar 21, 2022, 08:37:10 PM
I can't wait to see how they incorporate him into the show.

Finally we too shall know his dreams!

Lonely perfection
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2022, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 07:49:25 PM


Quality stuff.

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 12:18:58 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 21, 2022, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 07:49:25 PM


Quality stuff.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsLDyU--L1zsNZVymF_F0ZS9oJ8duSeLZhRQ&usqp=CAU

Even though it's a bootleg toy, it's strangely collectible 
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Mar 22, 2022, 02:09:21 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 21, 2022, 07:49:25 PM


Alien, Man!

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Some Alien toy knockoffs are something like 'so bad, it's good'.  :laugh:


Note - Note the resemblance of that toy with the Ovomorphs of Covenant.  :o

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 22, 2022, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Note - Note the resemblance of that toy with the Ovomorphs of Covenant.  :o

Looks more like a sex toy.  Never mind "AILIANSHOCK", more like ANALSHOCK!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Kradan on Mar 22, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
Yeeah, that chestburster looks extra phallic
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 22, 2022, 04:49:03 PM
Just as Giger David intended.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 22, 2022, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Note - Note the resemblance of that toy with the Ovomorphs of Covenant.  :o

Looks more like a sex toy.  Never mind "AILIANSHOCK", more like ANALSHOCK!

Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2022, 10:36:22 PM
It's the tagline that gets me.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Bughuntwilson on Mar 23, 2022, 07:32:15 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 22, 2022, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Note - Note the resemblance of that toy with the Ovomorphs of Covenant.  :o

Looks more like a sex toy.  Never mind "AILIANSHOCK", more like ANALSHOCK!
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2022, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2022, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
What you're referring to is people who actively hate something on principle and will purposefully go into it, wanting it to fail

No, I'm not.

You said that the problem with rock bottom expectations is that it results in the viewer having to be "won over".  Is that not true of any film or TV show?  We can't come to a final critical opinion of whether or not we like something until we've watched it.  Any preconceived notions or expectations, prior to seeing the final piece, do not dictate the objective quality of the piece itself.

As an example, let's say that someone watches a film and finds it to be terrible.  It's not terrible because they decided so before seeing it.  It's terrible based upon their perception of the finished film's execution. Equally, if a film is great, it's not great because someone went into it expecting it to be great.  It's great because they were impressed with the artistic execution of the final film.  Expectations are not a soothsayer's prophecy awaiting to be fulfilled, rather they are mere suspicions, based upon educated guesswork and a deduction of the material seen up until that point in time.  Having a low expectation does not alter the creative execution of the final piece.  Rather, the work onscreen speaks for itself.

Expectations are merely a form of educated prediction, based upon the information at hand.  The potential outcome of those expectations, based upon seeing the final film itself, depends on what one's expectations were as they walked into the cinema...

* One state (low expectations) holds the potential to lead to a path of either the continuation of the status quo ("the film was bad, as I suspected it might be") or unexpected elation ("my fears were unfounded - it's great! What a pleasant surprise!").

* Whereas the other state (high expectations) leads to, in an absolute best case scenario, the continuation of the status quo ("it was great, as I knew it would be!") or at worst, bitter disappointment ("I was so hyped for it but it was awful!").

Note that whilst both states of expectation hold the potential for the viewer to exit the cinema contented, only one of those states can result in an emotional net negative, leaving you worse off than when you walked into the cinema.

I've watched so many films which I expected to be awful but ended up loving and so many films which I expected to be great, but ended up hating.  The former cases represent some of my most joyful filmic experiences and the latter, some of my most painful.  Therefore, prior experience has taught me is to keep my expectations in check when it comes to a newly announced installment within a beloved series.  I've never found there to be such a thing as possessing too little hyperbole or anticipation for a new movie or TV series.  In fact, I've always found a healthy dose of tempered expectations to be ultimately beneficial to the viewing experience.

You wrote all that, and I didn't even read it.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 06:09:30 AM
Just listening to the AVP Podcast episode around this. Good listen. I think I'm genuinely trying to focus on the fact that I found Hawley's writing in Fargo so quirky and brilliant at times - that said he did follow on from the template the Coen Brothers set.  Let's see where this series goes - way too early to make any real judgement. Cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 25, 2022, 02:23:16 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 24, 2022, 07:36:25 PM
You wrote all that, and I didn't even read it.

Wilful ignorance is nothing to be proud of.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2022, 08:08:35 PM


Quote from: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 06:09:30 AM
Just listening to the AVP Podcast episode around this. Good listen. I think I'm genuinely trying to focus on the fact that I found Hawley's writing in Fargo so quirky and brilliant at times - that said he did follow on from the template the Coen Brothers set.  Let's see where this series goes - way too early to make any real judgement. Cautiously optimistic.

Should we expect Noah to follow on for  the template of the Scott/Cameron set?
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2022, 08:08:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUGpYGeNRo

Quote from: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 06:09:30 AM
Just listening to the AVP Podcast episode around this. Good listen. I think I'm genuinely trying to focus on the fact that I found Hawley's writing in Fargo so quirky and brilliant at times - that said he did follow on from the template the Coen Brothers set.  Let's see where this series goes - way too early to make any real judgement. Cautiously optimistic.

Should we expect Noah to follow on for  the template of the Scott/Cameron set?

That is my thinking actually. Unsure if that is necessarily a good or bad thing - though from the Pod it's very much going to be Hawley's show not Ridleys. Once again though the man knows how to write interesting and unique characters that I personally was invested in.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: SiL on Mar 25, 2022, 11:55:03 PM
Just going by the character names I don't feel like he's following anyone's lead.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 26, 2022, 01:29:50 AM
I wonder if there is a funny story behind those character names, like with some of the Star Wars ones. :laugh:






Quote from: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 25, 2022, 08:08:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUGpYGeNRo

Quote from: Prez on Mar 25, 2022, 06:09:30 AM
Just listening to the AVP Podcast episode around this. Good listen. I think I'm genuinely trying to focus on the fact that I found Hawley's writing in Fargo so quirky and brilliant at times - that said he did follow on from the template the Coen Brothers set.  Let's see where this series goes - way too early to make any real judgement. Cautiously optimistic.

Should we expect Noah to follow on for  the template of the Scott/Cameron set?

That is my thinking actually. Unsure if that is necessarily a good or bad thing - though from the Pod it's very much going to be Hawley's show not Ridleys. Once again though the man knows how to write interesting and unique characters that I personally was invested in.

Having seen Fargo & Legion I couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 28, 2022, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 25, 2022, 11:55:03 PM
Just going by the character names I don't feel like he's following anyone's lead.

Honestly I just hope they're stand-ins until he thinks of something better. Names are a real weakness for me and I end up using bullshit like that. 
Title: Re: Possible Character Details
Post by: Some Old Dude on Mar 28, 2022, 09:27:33 PM
I would take an Alien project with the quirky and weird sense of humour of Fargo and Legion. I mean I've had to suffer Joss Whedon, so can't be any worse.