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Title: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 10, 2020, 11:03:29 PM
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/1337170861179117572?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/1337170861179117572?s=20)
ANNOUNCED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 10, 2020, 11:03:47 PM
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/1337170861179117572
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Gazz on Dec 10, 2020, 11:03:48 PM
Well, this has just been officially announced then.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 10, 2020, 11:13:28 PM
Guess it's not prequel related, then.

Hope they're still developing that alongside this show.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on Dec 10, 2020, 11:27:36 PM
Taking place on earth, makes me alittle worried as that would ina  way bite what the movies did and ripley and some lore made to make sure the xenos never got there. (AVP isnt canon). But have to see.

I also remember they said it will focus more on the people and drama there rather than having the xenos show up often and going after twitter most seem to be asking for space adventures with space marines so have to see how that will go with the average person who most likely only seen aliens movie.

Is ridley scott really doing this series? the reveal on twitter dont say his name but someone else? I hope more that he is working on the final movie in his trilogy series rather than a tv series.

Good to see so much alien material in the works but this can bite back if disney handle the alien series as they did with star wars, that didnt go down well with the fans or how the franchise is valued now, disney have a tendency to milk their franchises dry and then scrapping it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 10, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
The Alien on Earth only means one thing.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Phobos on Dec 10, 2020, 11:45:42 PM
I hope they let Ridley Scott complete his trilogy.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: SiL on Dec 10, 2020, 11:50:56 PM
Why on Earth.

Why.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 10, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
Yeah the Earth thing has me very, uhhhh........ Well, it soured the announcement. I'm hopeful but, that tempers the excitement.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Phobos on Dec 10, 2020, 11:54:48 PM
I'd prefer some kind of Moon colony for the setting. Even if it were our Moon.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 10, 2020, 11:57:11 PM
I do love Hawley, though, and I'm excited to have Ridley on. I would have preferred something post-Covenant but we'll have to see, I guess. Only time will really tell.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Highland on Dec 10, 2020, 11:57:38 PM
Seen sense in going to TV. Good move. Earth setting is not to bad, earth setting in the " Not too distant future" sounds a bit weird.

I don't see why they can't film it like Earth and just call it LV-69, you can literally just pretend your somewhere else that just happens to look exactly like earth  :D
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:00:03 AM
Earth is such a bad choice. So many places it could've been. But, noooo. Gotta be Earth because reasons.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:02:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VrpSWEAAQAcu?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Evanus on Dec 11, 2020, 12:04:20 AM
Set not too far in the future here on earth, well uh.. That's going to be really awkward if it's set before Prometheus/Covenant & includes Xenomorphs.

Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:04:56 AM
Or they turn it into a corporate thriller about WY...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:06:23 AM
HOT DAMN!!!!

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/huJmPXfeir5JlpPAx0/giphy.gif)

Is this a reboot though?
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Dec 11, 2020, 12:06:36 AM
On Earth? Yeah this will suck
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:06:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VrpSWEAAQAcu?format=jpg&name=large)

You can see an Alien in this art piece from the announcement.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Phobos on Dec 11, 2020, 12:08:14 AM
AVP without the Predators.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: son_of_kane on Dec 11, 2020, 12:09:33 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:00:03 AM
Earth is such a bad choice. So many places it could've been. But, noooo. Gotta be Earth because reasons.

Especially when the franchise is called ALIEN. Setting it on Earth kind of defeats the purpose  :P I'm hoping there is also a movie concurrently in the works (soft reboot?) that they've decided to keep under wraps for the time being.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:09:44 AM
The setting and timeline issues that might possibly arise out of this were completely avoidable.

Feels a little like Anderson's Antarctica setting in AVP too me.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:10:56 AM
I know Earth, but still...

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/acc512795be2bac2a2462753a5f8fb9d/tumblr_oynyiz5VdN1u1ljrzo1_540.gif)

So damn exciting!

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Dec 11, 2020, 12:11:20 AM
Ridley Scott is involved? There goes my anticipation.



Expect androids. Much androids.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Dec 11, 2020, 12:11:20 AM
Expect androids. Much androids.

That would be nice.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 10, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
The Alien on Earth only means one thing.

Finally continuing Ripley 8's journey!? 😎
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Predalien39 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:15:42 AM
I agree with Fox's sentiments that it should remain a theatrical series.  Even if TV just keeps getting better and better.
I'm still curious, but I am not excited about it being set on Earth.  At all.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: marrerom on Dec 11, 2020, 12:17:30 AM
The earth setting is not promising. However, If Ridley Scott is attached as an Executive producer then I will be cautiously optimistic.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Phobos on Dec 11, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
I take an Earth setting as a sign of laziness.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6X5qVXcAEli4L?format=png&name=small)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6ofXAXUAEGK0Q?format=png&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VvgqVoA0LOmz?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 11, 2020, 12:29:49 AM
Why? We haven't seen Alien movies (don't count AvP) set on Earth yet, except some minor scenes.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Dec 11, 2020, 12:29:57 AM
Hmm interesting either Ridley could serve as consultant or director of the pilot, but chances are he's more into Engineers and Androids thus not interested in an Alien centered tv show.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: x-M-x on Dec 11, 2020, 12:29:59 AM
Earth Setting = BOMB imo.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Highland on Dec 11, 2020, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Dec 11, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
I take an Earth setting as a sign of laziness.

It's just so easy to make it not Earth, I'm always surprised. Actually I'm not.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: BlazinBlueReview on Dec 11, 2020, 12:30:41 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:10:56 AM
I know Earth, but still...

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/acc512795be2bac2a2462753a5f8fb9d/tumblr_oynyiz5VdN1u1ljrzo1_540.gif)

So damn exciting!

I agree. Excited about this announcement. Yeah it's probably gonna end up with a side of corporate thriller to it. But just imagining what the possibilities could be is nice.

Plus we getting more Alien content.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:31:50 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6ofXAXUAEGK0Q?format=png&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VvgqVoA0LOmz?format=jpg&name=large)
I remain torn.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 11, 2020, 12:33:49 AM
Guys I was trying to do no nut 2020 but I just failed.My only problem with this is that it says it set on earth and it says not far from Morden times.If it's set up a couple of years after prometheus  I be okay with it.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Adam802 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:34:13 AM
eeeeeeehhhhh......a TV show.......set on Earth........idk about that.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 11, 2020, 12:34:26 AM
Imagine Scott directing one or two episodes ;D
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:34:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:31:50 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6X5qVXcAEli4L?format=png&name=small)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6ofXAXUAEGK0Q?format=png&name=small)
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I remain torn.

How do you mean? In terms of being excited about a new Alien tv show, but not liking the earth setting?

Or do you mean, just not liking the premise period?

Genuine question.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:34:55 AM
I'm very optimistic about its setting. Earth doesn't automatically equate to a bad series. Not at all!
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:34:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:31:50 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6ofXAXUAEGK0Q?format=png&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VvgqVoA0LOmz?format=jpg&name=large)
I remain torn.

How do you mean? In terms of being excited about a new Alien tv show, but not liking the earth setting?

Or do you mean, just not liking the premise period?

Genuine question.
Torn on whether I think it's a good idea to go near future Earth for an Alien series.

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:34:55 AM
I'm very optimistic about its setting. Earth doesn't automatically equate to a bad series. Not at all!
Agreed.

Still don't like the concept though.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:36:16 AM
As long as he doesn't develop the story!  ;)

That would be awesome though. 👏
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:38:29 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:36:07 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:34:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:31:50 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 12:22:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6X5qVXcAEli4L?format=png&name=small)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6ofXAXUAEGK0Q?format=png&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VvgqVoA0LOmz?format=jpg&name=large)
I remain torn.

How do you mean? In terms of being excited about a new Alien tv show, but not liking the earth setting?

Or do you mean, just not liking the premise period?

Genuine question.
Torn on whether I think it's a good idea to go near future Earth for an Alien series.

Fair enough. I understand your feelings on it.

In reply to Voodoo, I mean Ripley's whole purpose, indeed the whole series, was/is about not letting the Alien get to earth. How apocalyptic that would be if it did, etc. etc. .
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:40:19 AM
I get that. And it did make me flinch at first.

I wonder if budgetary concerns helped shape its setting...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 11, 2020, 12:41:58 AM
Being EP and one of the fathers of Alien he will very likely have something to say.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: FlapJack on Dec 11, 2020, 12:42:02 AM
This show better not suffer like AMC's Walking Dead with boring filler, nagging survivors and 11 seasons with 16 episodes each run times of 44 minutes.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:40:19 AM
I get that. And it did make me flinch myself at first.

I wonder if budgetary concerns helped shape its setting...

Good point, I hadn't thought of. But I would like to point out what not only The Mandolorian is able to do with it's CG/practical sets. But also what the creators of the Tongal shorts were able to do with limited budgets. I think it's possible to set this on a colony, ship or station like the Sevastopol and it be cheap if done in a already standing location. Slightly modified for filming.

Perhaps I am naïve when it comes to the possibilities of such things?
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Lost_Hunter on Dec 11, 2020, 12:44:19 AM
Game over Man, Game over!

David did not create the alien nor was the alien ever on earth. The title is Alien.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: GreybackElder on Dec 11, 2020, 12:44:45 AM
Wow. Finally. After all of these years, an Alien TV series. Why would it be set on Earth? Wasn't the whole plot of the entire Alien series to prevent them from getting on Earth? I HOPE it's on an Earth that looks like something from Bladerunner and it's not current day. I don't want to relive AVP requiem. I mean seriously Wolf is absolutely one of my favorite predators buttttttttt the aliens were mehhhhhhhh.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 11, 2020, 12:45:53 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 10, 2020, 11:50:56 PM
Why on Earth.

Why.

Why space again?
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Phobos on Dec 11, 2020, 12:46:40 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 11, 2020, 12:45:53 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 10, 2020, 11:50:56 PM
Why on Earth.

Why.

Why space again?

Because Space is more interesting and alien.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: 0321recon on Dec 11, 2020, 12:48:25 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:43:22 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 12:40:19 AM
I get that. And it did make me flinch myself at first.

I wonder if budgetary concerns helped shape its setting...

Good point, I hadn't thought of. But I would like to point out what not only The Mandolorian is able to do with it's CG/practical sets. But also what the creators of the Tongal shorts were able to do with limited budgets. I think it's possible to set this on a colony, ship or station like the Sevastopol and it be cheap if done in a already standing location. Slightly modified for filming.

Perhaps I am naïve when it comes to the possibilities of such things?

That's the only way they can pull this off is they can use the Mado tech. I listened to a recent podcast (IndiFilm Hussle) where they interviewed the people behind the company that created the tech and mentioned that thanks to their tech, studios were able to cut millions from the budget and relocated to other areas of production. So, I suspect and I do hope Disney is thinking of using this with Alien.

Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 11, 2020, 12:48:59 AM
Is it that really more interesting? First four Alien movies take place mostly indoors.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: 0321recon on Dec 11, 2020, 12:52:53 AM
If Scott is producing (he's in talks), I do hope something of the battle of the world's concept that Scott was going for the final prequel film is shown in this series with either the engineers offloading the Xenos on earth for a wipeout event. Though who knows what they're going for. Let's see what happens. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: judge death on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 10, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
The Alien on Earth only means one thing.

Finally continuing Ripley 8's journey!? 😎
PRoblem is that they say: earth, in the close future, not the distant future, else that could have worked.

I pray its not a reebot/remake, or completely screws over the lore, then I ragequit xD
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:35 AM
Hey people if you worry it going to have a small budget and look like shit just rember the first two terminator films had small budgets for moives and look how well they looked I am sure the can do something for the alien tv series
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 11, 2020, 12:56:55 AM
If the earth is an industrial hellscape with glinting neon kanji, acid rain, etc, and with most of the population off-world I can get behind that.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Dec 11, 2020, 12:59:58 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 11, 2020, 12:56:55 AM
If the earth is an industrial hellscape with glinting neon kanji, acid rain, etc, and with most of the population off-world I can get behind that.

With this being set in the "not too distant future" I don't think most of earth's population is off-world.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: 1701Refit on Dec 11, 2020, 01:07:12 AM
I want to get excited about this project, but for some reason, I get the strange feeling that this series will be ruined by the sjw/woke agenda somehow.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 11, 2020, 01:07:12 AM
I'm more concerned about the "not too distant future" part than the Earth part.

We know the aliens can't spread very far or become common knowledge if it all takes place before the movies.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: windebieste on Dec 11, 2020, 01:14:08 AM
The big problem with taking place the "not too distant future" is it must take place after the events of "ALIENS". Otherwise, the marines would know what they're up against on LV-426. Considering, Gateway station is orbiting the Earth so credibility on any timeline prior makes no sense.

So, post 2180, at least.

Unless, the TV series is part of the "AvP" timeline and not "ALIEN". lol

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Dec 11, 2020, 01:18:11 AM
Does it seem likely to be during the timeline after Alien but before Aliens i.e. Alien Isolation, for all many criticism of Alien Resurrection, curious of how Earth in the future would be portrayed in the Alien universe, are we picturing Blade Runner high tech or Max Max dystopia where only Weyland Yutani has manage to preserve a fragment of civilization.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Evanus on Dec 11, 2020, 01:21:37 AM
The "not too distant future" is a bit puzzling to me too. I mean, the Xenomorphs can't even be around before Covenant takes place, since, you know..
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 01:22:15 AM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:29 AM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 10, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
The Alien on Earth only means one thing.

Finally continuing Ripley 8's journey!? 😎
PRoblem is that they say: earth, in the close future, not the distant future, else that could have worked.

I pray its not a reebot/remake, or completely screws over the lore, then I ragequit xD

Yeah it was more of a joke...I'd bet money they'd never bring back those characters to the screen.

The Earth setting throws me off but with it being Alien, I'm definitely intrigued. I wonder if this series will follow or incorporate any characters or settings from the comics or novels.....Or if it's just a standalone in its own "universe".
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Highland on Dec 11, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
What if it's a continuation of the events of AVPR!

*Sets trap
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 11, 2020, 01:36:14 AM
Interesting, I am intrigued but being on earth in the not too distant future is setting off some alarms.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Phobos on Dec 11, 2020, 01:37:45 AM
David built a time machine.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 01:40:00 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 11, 2020, 01:21:37 AM
The "not too distant future" is a bit puzzling to me too. I mean, the Xenomorphs can't even be around before Covenant takes place, since, you know..

Unless they are now planning on retconning that, which I'm kind of getting the vibe of here. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I wonder if that Engineer architecture is supposed to be taken literally. If so, then I guess they built installations here on Earth?

Also, I really hope that this is more contained and claustrophobic and not some massive Earth War type situation.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 01:52:06 AM
I do find it weird that the articles coming out now are saying that they're trying to get Ridley on board, but in the conference they flat out said he was. I wish I could find the conference online. I was watching it live and don't see any uploads.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 11, 2020, 02:03:28 AM
Jumping into the topic.  Hopefully this turns into something awesome.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:09:27 AM
I wonder if that Engineer looking installation in the backdrop they used is just for flavor, or if it is actually relevant to the show? Because if it is relevant to the show, and the show is entirely on Earth, then that raises a LOT of questions.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: RidleyScott99 on Dec 11, 2020, 02:21:47 AM
I hope RIDLEY SCOTT Directs the First 2 Episodes like in RAISED BY WOLVES
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Kailem on Dec 11, 2020, 02:24:20 AM
A new Predator movie and now a new Alien TV show! :laugh:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/eca6afe4de3d933bcb2d6f6773d49cee/tenor.gif?itemid=8003593)

I've got zero problems with it being set on Earth. I never had a problem with it in AVP (though I didn't particularly care for the specific setting of the first one), and I've always wanted to see the Aliens reach Earth in a major way because of how much the various films made a point of saying how much of a big deal that would be. So yeah, very excited about this indeed!

How well it (and the new Predator) turns out we'll obviously have to wait and see, but either way I'm excited that Disney isn't just sticking these franchises in the freezer and going back to focusing on Marvel and Star Wars. Exciting times indeed! ;D
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 02:30:47 AM
Hopefully it'll pan out right which in turn, could produce some more material for the future.

Anyone know if this was the only Alien information to come out of Disney or if there might be another announcement soon..?
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:05 AM
https://twitter.com/alexrwhite/status/1337210505623203848
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:35 AM
I'm so excited I don't know what to say!   ;D

Well actually yes. I'm glad that both, the Alien and Predator franchises, are far from being dead. Beyond the EU I mean  8)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:50 AM
I jumped the gun on making this thread without realizing that the discourse would be happening in the old thread. Feel free to lock and/or merge!
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 11, 2020, 02:33:17 AM
That would be an invaluable hire!  :o
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:35:13 AM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 02:30:47 AM
Anyone know if this was the only Alien information to come out of Disney or if there might be another announcement soon..?

This is all. The Disney conference is over now, and moved onto Star Wars, Marvel, Pixar, etc. stuff after the FX panel where this news broke.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 11, 2020, 02:38:21 AM
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Dec 11, 2020, 12:11:20 AM
Ridley Scott is involved? There goes my anticipation.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, pal.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Richman678 on Dec 11, 2020, 02:42:22 AM
The Alien series is in dire need of a keeper of the torch. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

Please don't mess this up!
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 11, 2020, 02:44:53 AM
Just give me a Bladerunner vibe with some Ayys and I'll be happy enough.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Jurassicvania on Dec 11, 2020, 02:45:14 AM
Reminder, as far as movies go, theres nothing that says David made the classic xenos.  All he did was go to a planet where species needed something to mate with and observed impregnation and reproduction.

Assuming David made the xenos is like saying... some guy somehwere watched 2 different looking dogs mate and birth, therefor your dog was made by that guy.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Prez on Dec 11, 2020, 02:47:05 AM
High hopes for this based purely on Hawley's presence. He's been (for the most part) brilliant with Fargo and is great at telling interesting stories about the characters who you become vested in - something the Alien films have sadly missed since the first 2.

Also I not reading too much into a single sentence stating `... in the not to far away future'.

Let us see how this one pans out.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:49:17 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Dec 11, 2020, 02:42:22 AM
The Alien series is in dire need of a keeper of the torch. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

Please don't mess this up!

Honestly, the "too many cooks" is one of the things I love about Alien. I don't care all that much about maintaining consistency and love that each project has a totally different styel.

That being said, I am very glad that Ridley is involved here and hope to see some prequel elements find their way into this series.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 11, 2020, 03:04:29 AM
f**k yes! Currently binge watching Legion on Hulu and I can't wait to see what he'll do with ALIEN
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:06:43 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:50 AM
I jumped the gun on making this thread without realizing that the discourse would be happening in the old thread. Feel free to lock and/or merge!

We wait for the great Hicksmoses!

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/853a136385c0e2b1660cd5247279943f/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on Dec 11, 2020, 03:11:01 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 11, 2020, 01:36:14 AM
Interesting, I am intrigued but being on earth in the not too distant future is setting off some alarms.
Yep as in all of the lore the WY or humanity for that matter has never encountered a species like this prior to Davids vauge reports and explains why the WY or rather insider in WY had nostromo investigate the beacon signal once it was discovered.

Having xenomorphs on earth in the close future just removes that completely.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 03:11:12 AM
The Earth setting throws me off but with it being Alien, I'm definitely intrigued. I wonder if this series will follow or incorporate any characters or settings from the comics or novels.....Or if it's just a standalone in its own "universe".
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 03:16:44 AM
Found the video of the announcement, finally:

https://youtu.be/0u1Rh7AwAnM?t=480

8:03

And since it cut away after, that means they had something to show the investors that they didn't put out to the general public,
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:22:06 AM
Still trying to reconcile "Not too distant future" in my mind. It really makes me wonder if they would dare to reboot the entire timeline. Or retcon some of it. But would Ridley retcon his own work? Hard to fathom. Yet, if he truly believes the beast is cooked....

I just hope we don't get The Walking D̶e̶a̶d̶ Xenomorphs.

Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:35 AM
Hey people if you worry it going to have a small budget and look like shit just rember the first two terminator films had small budgets for moives and look how well they looked I am sure the can do something for the alien tv series

In 1991, Terminator 2 was actually the most expensive film ever made.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 03:23:11 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:22:06 AM
But would Ridley retcon his own work?

Well, he did it once in Prometheus. And then again in Covenant. ;)

Bless the old man.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:24:47 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 03:23:11 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:22:06 AM
But would Ridley retcon his own work?

Well, he did it once in Prometheus. And then again in Covenant. ;)

Bless the old man.

Ha!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/ad/6a/2cad6a4d41b57a35998b1ac3437f27cb.gif)
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 03:26:03 AM
Given Ridley's involvement, I really hope that he directs an episode or two. Help lay the foundation, like he did on Raised By Wolves.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 11, 2020, 03:37:37 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:22:06 AM
Still trying to reconcile "Not too distant future" in my mind. It really makes me wonder if they would dare to reboot the entire timeline. Or retcon some of it. But would Ridley retcon his own work? Hard to fathom. Yet, if he truly believes the beast is cooked....

I just hope we don't get The Walking D̶e̶a̶d̶ Xenomorphs.

Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:35 AM
Hey people if you worry it going to have a small budget and look like shit just rember the first two terminator films had small budgets for moives and look how well they looked I am sure the can do something for the alien tv series

In 1991, Terminator 2 was actually the most expensive film ever made.

I'm honestly hoping it just means "100-200 years rather than deep future", since it's primarily for investors rather than fanboys. Probably fooling myself though.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 11, 2020, 03:53:09 AM
Oh my bad but what to know another great low budget sci fi film it's called judge dread 2012 only 20 million dollars i think you should watch it if you hadnt
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 04:09:18 AM
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1337180437542707211

Defiance was what, five years ago?
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 11, 2020, 05:07:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:22:06 AM
Still trying to reconcile "Not too distant future" in my mind. It really makes me wonder if they would dare to reboot the entire timeline. Or retcon some of it. But would Ridley retcon his own work? Hard to fathom. Yet, if he truly believes the beast is cooked....

I just hope we don't get The Walking D̶e̶a̶d̶ Xenomorphs.

Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:35 AM
Hey people if you worry it going to have a small budget and look like shit just rember the first two terminator films had small budgets for moives and look how well they looked I am sure the can do something for the alien tv series

In 1991, Terminator 2 was actually the most expensive film ever made.

They better not have Elon Musk discover a derelict on Mars sort of angle... :-\
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: TC on Dec 11, 2020, 05:19:48 AM
My first thought upon hearing that Scott is involved is to think that his first priority will be to protect his turf (i.e. act as high priest and arch defender of the Scott prequels), and not act in the best interests of Hawley's vision.

Am I being too cynical?

TC
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 11, 2020, 05:20:28 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 11, 2020, 05:07:35 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:22:06 AM
Still trying to reconcile "Not too distant future" in my mind. It really makes me wonder if they would dare to reboot the entire timeline. Or retcon some of it. But would Ridley retcon his own work? Hard to fathom. Yet, if he truly believes the beast is cooked....

I just hope we don't get The Walking D̶e̶a̶d̶ Xenomorphs.

Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:35 AM
Hey people if you worry it going to have a small budget and look like shit just rember the first two terminator films had small budgets for moives and look how well they looked I am sure the can do something for the alien tv series

In 1991, Terminator 2 was actually the most expensive film ever made.

They better not have Elon Musk discover a derelict on Mars sort of angle... :-\

Personally, I'd love to see Elon get chestbursted.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Kradan on Dec 11, 2020, 05:53:27 AM
First Predator, now this ! OMFG !


Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 10, 2020, 11:30:20 PM
The Alien on Earth only means one thing.

?
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 06:23:22 AM
The Earth setting is just... really starting to bum me out the more I think about it. As is the way they're using Alien and Aliens as buzzwords in the investor announcement video, as if those are the only two films with any merit and that they should just be replicated. I'm starting to get fearful that we might have a The Force Awakens on our hands.

I really want Alien as a franchise to keep embracing its weirder side and expand on that. Covenant set us down a very good path narratively, thematically, and visually, and I don't want to see that swept away for something more safe and by the numbers. I'm not saying this should be a direct sequel to Covenant (though I really, really want a direct sequel to Covenant) but I really don't want a series that just amounts to nothing more than an Alien/Aliens rehash.

I'm not going to be pessimistic about this yet - I don't really know anything about the show, so there is no reason to be pessimistic. And I do really like what I've seen of Fargo. I'm just praying above all else that it isn't going to play it too safe with the material, and that the Earth setting wasn't chosen solely for budgetary reasons - there has to be a genuine reason to warrant Earth, because as it stands, the whole series has been about why the Alien shouldn't reach Earth. And that begs another point - the "Earth War." I don't want to see this become some invasion of Earth scenario. I want something more offbeat and introspective and less of a shootemup. Action is great, I adore James Cameron's Aliens, but Aliens also didn't drop a ton of Aliens right on our doorstep like some zombie show.

Given Ridley's involvement (which I hope isn't an in name only thing), I do hope that we see some of his weirder sensibilities make their way into this project. And even more so, I hope that he contributes to the design and overall style of the show. Look at everything he brought to Raised By Wolves. I am so utterly in love with that show, and his pre-production design work and the visual style that he helped anchor by directing the first two episodes (along with Aaron Guzikowski's writing) set everything that RBW has been getting so right in motion. Hawley is a very good writer, and I believe the is a very good chance that his writing can do some great things here here despite some of my reservations about the presentation of this show on stage for the investors. I am crossing my fingers and hoping for something really cool here. I just... have reservations right now. I hope time and new information temper them.

I also hope that this doesn't rule out the possibility that we might eventually get Ridley's Covenant sequel.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 11, 2020, 06:45:40 AM
If it's in the not too distant future and it's got capital-A Aliens in it, so much for that "David is the creator" nonsense. :P
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: seattle24 on Dec 11, 2020, 06:53:35 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 03:16:44 AM
Found the video of the announcement, finally:

https://youtu.be/0u1Rh7AwAnM?t=480

8:03

And since it cut away after, that means they had something to show the investors that they didn't put out to the general public,

Nice!

Very excited about the acclaimed talent behind this.

Perhaps Earth is just a starting point in the series? We might not see an Alien until episode 3 or 4 at which point some scenes shift to Space. Perhaps the crux of the tension in the first couple of episodes is a nasty distress/warning signal like the Nostromo receives. Always found that freaky in the DC.

I'm lobbying for Odd studios return anyway. Would love to see them continue their creature stuff after Covenant.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Enjoy on Dec 11, 2020, 07:00:34 AM
i hope they put  out every episode at once so i can Binge.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 07:38:45 AM
Earth setting? Not to distant future?  Maybe they'll fish out Alien Queen from shores of Bovotoya  :D I'm not even joking, think about it! Confined underground lab with outbreak in it can easily be done on earth without spacecrafts and can have vibe similar to Aliens. Plus, I would explain how the company knew about alien in first place.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 07:48:36 AM
I mean in Alien they translated the Jockey transmission. Seems a good explanation.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Dec 11, 2020, 08:01:37 AM
Will it be straight to the point of colonial marines vs the aliens on earth? That would be badass. Please no Prometheus or covenant expedition. Stay away from those horrible films and just only use Alien and Aliens as a guide. If this show is about the marines getting picked off one by one and trying to survive the terror then I will get the popcorn ready.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 08:09:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 07:48:36 AM
I mean in Alien they translated the Jockey transmission. Seems a good explanation.

Right, they did. But how the hell did they knew about Lv-426 in first place?


Quote from: Highland on Dec 11, 2020, 01:24:49 AM
What if it's a continuation of the events of AVPR!

*Sets trap

Wrote about it in other thread. Queen fished out from shores of Bovotoya and boom! We've got Aliens on Earth in near future!
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 11, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 06:23:22 AM
The Earth setting is just... really starting to bum me out the more I think about it. As is the way they're using Alien and Aliens as buzzwords in the investor announcement video, as if those are the only two films with any merit and that they should just be replicated. I'm starting to get fearful that we might have a The Force Awakens on our hands.

I really want Alien as a franchise to keep embracing its weirder side and expand on that. Covenant set us down a very good path narratively, thematically, and visually, and I don't want to see that swept away for something more safe and by the numbers. I'm not saying this should be a direct sequel to Covenant (though I really, really want a direct sequel to Covenant) but I really don't want a series that just amounts to nothing more than an Alien/Aliens rehash.

I'm not going to be pessimistic about this yet - I don't really know anything about the show, so there is no reason to be pessimistic. And I do really like what I've seen of Fargo. I'm just praying above all else that it isn't going to play it too safe with the material, and that the Earth setting wasn't chosen solely for budgetary reasons - there has to be a genuine reason to warrant Earth, because as it stands, the whole series has been about why the Alien shouldn't reach Earth. And that begs another point - the "Earth War." I don't want to see this become some invasion of Earth scenario. I want something more offbeat and introspective and less of a shootemup. Action is great, I adore James Cameron's Aliens, but Aliens also didn't drop a ton of Aliens right on our doorstep like some zombie show.

Given Ridley's involvement (which I hope isn't an in name only thing), I do hope that we see some of his weirder sensibilities make their way into this project. And even more so, I hope that he contributes to the design and overall style of the show. Look at everything he brought to Raised By Wolves. I am so utterly in love with that show, and his pre-production design work and the visual style that he helped anchor by directing the first two episodes (along with Aaron Guzikowski's writing) set everything that RBW has been getting so right in motion. Hawley is a very good writer, and I believe the is a very good chance that his writing can do some great things here here despite some of my reservations about the presentation of this show on stage for the investors. I am crossing my fingers and hoping for something really cool here. I just... have reservations right now. I hope time and new information temper them.

I also hope that this doesn't rule out the possibility that we might eventually get Ridley's Covenant sequel.

Watch it just be a loose adaptation of the original DH comics without the named characters.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Rush Hour Rambo on Dec 11, 2020, 09:31:37 AM
''Earth man, what a shithole!''
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 11, 2020, 09:32:46 AM
I've been waiting for news for a long time, but I was hoping it wouldn't be this news, I'm not too keen on tv shows unless I can buy it all in one go, I just find it hard to keep watching if I have to take breaks for some reason.

Also, it's on Hulu and we don't have that in England, so I guess I'm not invited to the party anyway  :'(
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Dec 11, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
This thread always makes me laugh - cant we just be happy knowing that we are getting new content.

Not enough is known yet about it to start forming opinions on its setting! Just be happy we are getting this!

I'm BEYOND excited to see where this goes  :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2020, 09:57:41 AM
I'm in. If nothing else it'll be different.

Is it bad that I hope Ridley isn't too involved...?

Quote from: Dingbat on Dec 11, 2020, 09:32:46 AMAlso, it's on Hulu and we don't have that in England, so I guess I'm not invited to the party anyway  :'(

It'll probably show up on TV or streaming somewhere.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 11, 2020, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2020, 09:57:41 AM
I'm in. If nothing else it'll be different.

Is it bad that I hope Ridley isn't too involved...?

Quote from: Dingbat on Dec 11, 2020, 09:32:46 AMAlso, it's on Hulu and we don't have that in England, so I guess I'm not invited to the party anyway  :'(

It'll probably show up on TV or streaming somewhere.

Do you know how often Hulu stuff gets DVD releases?
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2020, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 08:09:50 AMRight, they did. But how the hell did they knew about Lv-426 in first place?

From the transmission.

Someone at the company picked it up and presumably at least partially decoded it before the Nostromo set off. Then they put Ash on board and rerouted the ship there to check it out.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Dec 11, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 11, 2020, 02:38:21 AM
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Dec 11, 2020, 12:11:20 AM
Ridley Scott is involved? There goes my anticipation.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, pal.

Wow. How mature. I will remind you of your words when this series is all about androids, life and creation.
Friendo.  :-*

Actually I might laugh, when this here is the only shot of an Alien in Season One.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VrpSWEAAQAcu?format=jpg&name=large)


And the movie "Outland" is the better Alien universe than the actual series. Fingers crossed that Hawley is the boss. Not the "father" of the Alien.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 11:05:26 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:06:43 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:50 AM
I jumped the gun on making this thread without realizing that the discourse would be happening in the old thread. Feel free to lock and/or merge!

We wait for the great Hicksmoses!

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/853a136385c0e2b1660cd5247279943f/tenor.gif)

And sorted!


So this was what we'd been teasing, so now everyone knows!


I've yet to watch Legion or Fargo, but it's on my to-do-list but from what we've read from Noah about the show, I'm very excited to see his approach! It'll be worth seeing who is actually called the showrunner, because regardless of EPs, it's the showrunner who calls the shots really when it comes to the TV shows.

I do agree in terms of it'd be nice to see Scott actually direct one or two though,  I'd like him not to be too hands-on with the narrative though. I'm still not sure I trust him in that regards anymore. But they'll never be any denying his visual mastery!

Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 07:38:45 AM
Earth setting? Not to distant future?  Maybe they'll fish out Alien Queen from shores of Bovotoya  :D I'm not even joking, think about it! Confined underground lab with outbreak in it can easily be done on earth without spacecrafts and can have vibe similar to Aliens. Plus, I would explain how the company knew about alien in first place.

The Earth thing is a little concerning, but nothing to yet get turned around about. Be worth seeing how it's going to handled. I wouldn't go as far as suggesting it be a sequel to AvP, but something along the lines of contained story like a specific lab, secreted away or something seems like a good bet.

The near-future thing...again, too early to really be up in arms about it. I mean, Prometheus is in like 70 years. Is that near-future? Or are they actually meaning the near-future of Predator 2? Then I might be a little upset. I dunno, will have to see how it comes together.

But I'm excited! TV shows have been so damn strong lately! And Noah has such a good rep. Hulu is also going world-wide soon (has it gone already?) so that's promising for distribution too!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 11, 2020, 11:29:21 AM
I don't think Ridley Scott would sign up to executive producer if they were going to trash the canon of the prequel arc and the Story beyond
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: reecebomb on Dec 11, 2020, 11:58:31 AM
So what universe it's going to be set in, AvP, prequel or the original trilogy? All of which are different as far as I'm concerned. Near future set on earth, this will be shit no doubt about it, don't get your hopes up. Alien needs filmmakers who understand what made the originals so damn special, this sounds like another soulless project that was conceived in corporate meeting room.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: son_of_kane on Dec 11, 2020, 12:07:23 PM
I hope there is a plausible and interesting explanation how the xenomorph is on Earth in the near future. If it is vague or not really addressed at all, that might be a deal-breaker for me. But I'm sure there will be. And if it is an underground lab/xenos break out/containment type scenario, that might be fun. An industrial espionage story woven in (rival companies trying to steal xeno secrets) would also be cool.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Jacku on Dec 11, 2020, 12:17:30 PM
Quote from: Dingbat on Dec 11, 2020, 09:32:46 AM
I've been waiting for news for a long time, but I was hoping it wouldn't be this news, I'm not too keen on tv shows unless I can buy it all in one go, I just find it hard to keep watching if I have to take breaks for some reason.

Also, it's on Hulu and we don't have that in England, so I guess I'm not invited to the party anyway  :'(

For the UK and Europe I assume it'll go on the newly announced Star/Adult section of Disney+

About the Earth setting, I like the way sci-fi Earth is seen in some Dark Horse comics like Genocide (that started in earth right?) though I can't quite remember the specifics. I assume this shows version of Earth will be more 'normal' though.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: GoroPredator on Dec 11, 2020, 12:54:10 PM
Noah is a far better and more interesting choice than Blomkamp. Hope they keep Ridley involved to some extent. Either way, It is great to see some movement with both the Alien and Predator franchise  ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: Jacku on Dec 11, 2020, 12:17:30 PM
About the Earth setting, I like the way sci-fi Earth is seen in some Dark Horse comics like Genocide (that started in earth right?) though I can't quite remember the specifics. I assume this shows version of Earth will be more 'normal' though.

Yeah, it started on Earth post-Alien invasion. The novel had teams sweeping through ruined cities looking for Alien hives too.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Dec 11, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
Not subscribing to another service to watch a bunch of idiots in USCM gear running around Death Valley.
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Dec 11, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
This thread always makes me laugh - cant we just be happy knowing that we are getting new content.

Not enough is known yet about it to start forming opinions on its setting! Just be happy we are getting this!

I'm BEYOND excited to see where this goes  :)  :)  :)

Watching the investor panel yesterday, it was excruciating just how often they referred to all of their films and shows as "content" to be "consumed."

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely happy and excited to be getting more Alien - I just can't get properly "excited" until I hear more from Hawley about what his intentions actually are here. 'Cause the fact that it is set on Earth is a biggggggg shift, and they are really going to have to win me over now after that revelation. I don't want to see this as some apocalyptic, Earth invasion scenario. Alien isn't a zombie story. That should always be the fear, not the actual narrative. Them dropping Alien and Aliens like buzzwords, like they're the only two installments with any merit, also rubbed me the wrong way - it reminded me of the crass way that The Force Awakens was marketed.

I do have to keep in mind that this event was geared more towards investors than fans, though.... so maybe it won't be as safe as they're making it sound for the bean counters. I really do hope so. And as I've said before, I do really like what I've seen from Hawley. What I'm hearing from Mr. FX man, though, rubs me the wrong way.

I'm also pretty taken off guard that this seems to be coming at the expense of a sequel to Covenant. Now granted, Ridley is involved in this (hopefully in a way that amounts to more than just slapping his name on the poster - I would LOVE for his involvement to be something akin to his work on the first season of Raised By Wolves) so maybe some of his prequel ideas might resurface here, but I really loved the idea of David off in space making weird shit with all of his "volunteers" on board the Covenant. I hope this show's existence doesn't rule that project out completely.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 01:59:39 PM
I kind of hope we see another company here, as opposed to more WY. Like what Alex White has been doing, with Seegson pulling the strings in The Cold Forge and this new McAllen Integrations being at the forefront of Into Charybdis.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 11, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 01:46:30 PM
Quote from: P1NK8C1DBOOTS on Dec 11, 2020, 09:41:53 AM
This thread always makes me laugh - cant we just be happy knowing that we are getting new content.

Not enough is known yet about it to start forming opinions on its setting! Just be happy we are getting this!

I'm BEYOND excited to see where this goes  :)  :)  :)

Watching the investor panel yesterday, it was excruciating just how often they referred to all of their films and shows as "content" to be "consumed."

Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely happy and excited to be getting more Alien - I just can't get properly "excited" until I hear more from Hawley about what his intentions actually are here. 'Cause the fact that it is set on Earth is a biggggggg shift, and they are really going to have to win me over now after that revelation. I don't want to see this as some apocalyptic, Earth invasion scenario. Alien isn't a zombie story. That should always be the fear, not the actual narrative. Them dropping Alien and Aliens like buzzwords, like they're the only two installments with any merit, also rubbed me the wrong way - it reminded me of the crass way that The Force Awakens was marketed.

I do have to keep in mind that this event was geared more towards investors than fans, though.... so maybe it won't be as safe as they're making it sound for the bean counters. I really do hope so. And as I've said before, I do really like what I've seen from Hawley. What I'm hearing from Mr. FX man, though, rubs me the wrong way.

I'm also pretty taken off guard that this seems to be coming at the expense of a sequel to Covenant. Now granted, Ridley is involved in this (hopefully in a way that amounts to more than just slapping his name on the poster - I would LOVE for his involvement to be something akin to his work on the first season of Raised By Wolves) so maybe some of his prequel ideas might resurface here, but I really loved the idea of David off in space making weird shit with all of his "volunteers" on board the Covenant. I hope this show's existence doesn't rule that project out completely.
Yep. It'd be weird if Scott is involved while they totally ignore the prequels. I can only hope the Covenant sequel is still in the works after this.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: jhudson on Dec 11, 2020, 02:05:12 PM
I can't help thinking that the major indication of how good it is going to be is that it was joylessly shat out of Disney production line announcements along with a load of other regurgitated crap
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 11, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
Yep. It'd be weird if Scott is involved while they totally ignore the prequels. I can only hope the Covenant sequel is still in the works after this.

Given Hawley's Fargo history, I almost wonder if this is an anthology, and maybe one of the seasons might be an actual Covenant followup.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 11, 2020, 02:15:35 PM
I can see it starting on earth, setting up some key players, then venturing off into space.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:22:20 PM
I really hope the concept art or whatever they showed the investors during those 40ish seconds after the panel leaks...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 11, 2020, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 11, 2020, 01:04:30 PM
If you think Noah Hawley's cookie cutter you have another thing coming:

Sort of spoilers for Legion FX.
(I have pushed this to friends since it started but it's difficult to show anything much without totally spoiling it..)

I encourage everyone to investigate our "new visionary" for the Alien Universe.
Just go see it.

I hope that the Alien will not have an atom of such an atmosphere.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:06 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 11, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
Yep. It'd be weird if Scott is involved while they totally ignore the prequels. I can only hope the Covenant sequel is still in the works after this.

Given Hawley's Fargo history, I almost wonder if this is an anthology, and maybe one of the seasons might be an actual Covenant followup.

Given the lack of subtitle so far...it might be a possibility. And honestly, I'd love it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:06 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 11, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
Yep. It'd be weird if Scott is involved while they totally ignore the prequels. I can only hope the Covenant sequel is still in the works after this.

Given Hawley's Fargo history, I almost wonder if this is an anthology, and maybe one of the seasons might be an actual Covenant followup.

Given the lack of subtitle so far...it might be a possibility. And honestly, I'd love it.

In before they title it "Alien: Anthology" :D

Got any more details that you can't share with us yet, Hicks? ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 11, 2020, 02:35:19 PM
Yeah spill yer cornbread  :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/05fd4247e195cae90b995afe738e0e39/tumblr_ospa35jMVy1ro95bto3_540.gifv)

Haha. We're aware of some further details that cannot currently be shared.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:39:50 PM
I will take your use of gif in conjunction with that statement as official confirmation that this show is centered around David. ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 11, 2020, 02:42:25 PM
Ah man, bless that horny android.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:39:50 PM
I will take your use of gif in conjunction with that statement as official confirmation that this show is centered around David. ;)

:laugh: take it however you want it. Just don't blame me for setting your own expectations.  :P
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
In all seriousness though, since I'm sure Disney is going to do all they can to distance themselves from the prequels and certainly won't be featuring David (gotta get Alien and Aliens in that announcement as buzzwords! Back to the basics! ::))... I just hope that they are at least willing to take some risks with the material the way that the prequels did, even if they are totally different risks. I really it isn't just a situation where, somehow, there are Aliens on Earth and the first half of the season plays out like long-form claustrophobic Alien, and then the second half expands in scale to an Aliens-type invasion, and that's all. Doing that would just seem really, really reductive to me.

God, I'm chomping at the bit to learn more about what we're in store for. I'm super nervous about the whole enterprise. Show me something new and exciting here, Hawley...

Crossing my fingers and really hoping for the best, but if all else fails, at least I have season two of this to look forward to. And I already know full well that I'm loving what this show is doing.

(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/c_fill,g_auto,w_1200,h_675,ar_16:9/https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F200828171246-raised-by-wolves-hbo-max.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 03:43:03 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 11:05:26 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 03:06:43 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 02:31:50 AM
I jumped the gun on making this thread without realizing that the discourse would be happening in the old thread. Feel free to lock and/or merge!

We wait for the great Hicksmoses!

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/853a136385c0e2b1660cd5247279943f/tenor.gif)

And sorted!


So this was what we'd been teasing, so now everyone knows!


I've yet to watch Legion or Fargo, but it's on my to-do-list but from what we've read from Noah about the show, I'm very excited to see his approach! It'll be worth seeing who is actually called the showrunner, because regardless of EPs, it's the showrunner who calls the shots really when it comes to the TV shows.

I do agree in terms of it'd be nice to see Scott actually direct one or two though,  I'd like him not to be too hands-on with the narrative though. I'm still not sure I trust him in that regards anymore. But they'll never be any denying his visual mastery!

Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 07:38:45 AM
Earth setting? Not to distant future?  Maybe they'll fish out Alien Queen from shores of Bovotoya  :D I'm not even joking, think about it! Confined underground lab with outbreak in it can easily be done on earth without spacecrafts and can have vibe similar to Aliens. Plus, I would explain how the company knew about alien in first place.

The Earth thing is a little concerning, but nothing to yet get turned around about. Be worth seeing how it's going to handled. I wouldn't go as far as suggesting it be a sequel to AvP, but something along the lines of contained story like a specific lab, secreted away or something seems like a good bet.

The near-future thing...again, too early to really be up in arms about it. I mean, Prometheus is in like 70 years. Is that near-future? Or are they actually meaning the near-future of Predator 2? Then I might be a little upset. I dunno, will have to see how it comes together.

But I'm excited! TV shows have been so damn strong lately! And Noah has such a good rep. Hulu is also going world-wide soon (has it gone already?) so that's promising for distribution too!

I`m not hoping it`s sequel to Anderson`s AvP, but using the very same Queen and then go foreward into more Alien centered story would be neat little treat for hardcore fans! I do get the feeling you know more then you can tell Boss and that at least some of our speculation are more or less accurate ;)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
In all seriousness though, since I'm sure Disney is going to do all they can to distance themselves from the prequels and certainly won't be featuring David (gotta get Alien and Aliens in that announcement as buzzwords! Back to the basics! ::))... I just hope that they are at least willing to take some risks with the material the way that the prequels did, even if they are totally different risks. I really it isn't just a situation where, somehow, there are Aliens on Earth and the first half of the season plays out like long-form claustrophobic Alien, and then the second half expands in scale to an Aliens-type invasion, and that's all. Doing that would just seem really, really reductive to me.

God, I'm chomping at the bit to learn more about what we're in store for. I'm super nervous about the whole enterprise. Show me something new and exciting here, Hawley...

Crossing my fingers and really hoping for the best, but if all else fails, at least I have season two of this to look forward to. And I already know full well that I'm loving what this show is doing.

(https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/c_fill,g_auto,w_1200,h_675,ar_16:9/https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F200828171246-raised-by-wolves-hbo-max.jpg)

Well I do like some of the concepts from RbW, some I really don`t. For me the best thing of this show so far is the intro :P
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
No way they're going to be using the Queen from AVP. Or, well, anything from AVP.

I do wonder if we might see some sort of Engineer pyramid/installation hidden on Earth though, given this:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/alienshowpre-701x394.jpg)

We know there have been all kinds of cave paintings and the like on Earth from Prometheus. But an actual installation would be... a whole different level. I'm struggling to think of anything set on Earth that feels "right" to me.

Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 03:43:03 PM
Well I do like some of the concepts from RbW, some I really don`t. For me the best thing of this show so far is the intro :P

To each their own! I find it to be the most refreshing and inventive science-fiction series since Ron Moore's BSG.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 02:37:04 PM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/05fd4247e195cae90b995afe738e0e39/tumblr_ospa35jMVy1ro95bto3_540.gifv)

Haha. We're aware of some further details that cannot currently be shared.

Hicks is always dangling that carrot!  :laugh:

(https://media.tenor.com/images/8a9bce0cde22ea7c335065483db55abf/raw)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 04:54:57 PM
Also, another thing. I am confused about Ridley's involvement. In the Investor announcement, they explicitly say "...working alongside Sir Ridley Scott." So why are all of the trades reporting "Ridley Scott in Talks to Executive Produce?"

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/alien-series-noah-hawley-ridley-scott-fx-1234850109/
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Jacku on Dec 11, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Would be sweet if this was an Anthology series with stories based on new and adapted ideas. Like one season based on DNA war another on Phalanx.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: Jacku on Dec 11, 2020, 12:17:30 PM
About the Earth setting, I like the way sci-fi Earth is seen in some Dark Horse comics like Genocide (that started in earth right?) though I can't quite remember the specifics. I assume this shows version of Earth will be more 'normal' though.

Yeah, it started on Earth post-Alien invasion. The novel had teams sweeping through ruined cities looking for Alien hives too.

Was that the one were there was a drug or something made from Xeno jelly and a group of people visits an infested world to get more of the jelly?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 04:54:57 PM
Also, another thing. I am confused about Ridley's involvement. In the Investor announcement, they explicitly say "...working alongside Sir Ridley Scott." So why are all of the trades reporting "Ridley Scott in Talks to Executive Produce?"

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/alien-series-noah-hawley-ridley-scott-fx-1234850109/

Yeah, as far as I'm aware that's a done deal.


Quote from: Jacku on Dec 11, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: Jacku on Dec 11, 2020, 12:17:30 PM
About the Earth setting, I like the way sci-fi Earth is seen in some Dark Horse comics like Genocide (that started in earth right?) though I can't quite remember the specifics. I assume this shows version of Earth will be more 'normal' though.

Yeah, it started on Earth post-Alien invasion. The novel had teams sweeping through ruined cities looking for Alien hives too.

Was that the one were there was a drug or something made from Xeno jelly and a group of people visits an infested world to get more of the jelly?

That's right. That's the story that introduced Royal Jelly (aka Black Goo v1)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 05:17:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 04:54:57 PM
Also, another thing. I am confused about Ridley's involvement. In the Investor announcement, they explicitly say "...working alongside Sir Ridley Scott." So why are all of the trades reporting "Ridley Scott in Talks to Executive Produce?"

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/alien-series-noah-hawley-ridley-scott-fx-1234850109/

Yeah, as far as I'm aware that's a done deal.

Good to hear.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 11, 2020, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
No way they're going to be using the Queen from AVP. Or, well, anything from AVP.

God save the Ice Queen 😜

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
I do wonder if we might see some sort of Engineer pyramid/installation hidden on Earth though, given this:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/alienshowpre-701x394.jpg)

We know there have been all kinds of cave paintings and the like on Earth from Prometheus. But an actual installation would be... a whole different level. I'm struggling to think of anything set on Earth that feels "right" to me.

Perhaps the Engineers created proto-humans on Mars, and that is where they first used their biological weapons.

(https://i.ibb.co/pryhp38/Pics-Art-12-11-02-23-00.png)

In addition, human culture is full of myths and legends, like Atlantis. I'm sure they can come up with something like that, while shoehorning the Engineer into the equation.

(https://i.ibb.co/G5fp40T/Pics-Art-12-11-02-20-01.png)

They can also ignore what Ridley has done. It's not like Ridley hasn't done it in the past, even with his Prometheus  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 05:55:22 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 11, 2020, 05:32:26 PM
Perhaps the Engineers created proto-humans on Mars, and that is where they first used their biological weapons.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-I168hsXMUVM%2FT9LWrPF9quI%2FAAAAAAAAAkw%2FrKAhyj4lcQQ%2Fs1600%2FWeyland_Mars_Facility_Dust_Storm_Steve_Burg.jpg&hash=91b48d837de6ea10ea6c281ee7640998ee1acc10)
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QuotePrometheus Concept Art I
I worked on this film over 2 years ago, but now that it's out and the dust is settling I can post a few of those images from the early development of the project.

These views show Weyland's headquarters on Mars. As with much of the concept work, this image was created entirely in 3D - and it is seen as a background in a briefing aboard the ship.

http://steveburg.blogspot.com/2012/06/prometheus-concept-art-i.html

At the time this was being considered, I believe one of the Engineer cave paintings was going to be discovered on Mars.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Dec 11, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Will we see the colonial marines in this?
Horror like Alien but Action like aliens, sounds good on paper let's hope it's a simple scary story and not too out there, all we want to see is the marines teaming up against the bugs. No more why is the space jockey there in Alien, things like that keep out.

I just want to see the state of the art badass marines going head to head with the aliens
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Dec 11, 2020, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Dec 11, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Will we see the colonial marines in this?
Horror like Alien but Action like aliens, sounds good on paper let's hope it's a simple scary story and not too out there, all we I want to see is the marines teaming up against the bugs. No more why is the space jockey there in Alien, things like that keep out.

I just want to see the state of the art badass marines going head to head with the aliens

FTFY
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 11, 2020, 06:06:34 PM
There was no mention of any Predator movie during the presentation (that i know of)
and we know that is happening.

I don't really see 20th century studios avoiding more alien movies.. while a predator film is in development.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 06:09:50 PM
Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Dec 11, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Will we see the colonial marines in this?
Horror like Alien but Action like aliens, sounds good on paper let's hope it's a simple scary story and not too out there, all we want to see is the marines teaming up against the bugs. No more why is the space jockey there in Alien, things like that keep out.

I just want to see the state of the art badass marines going head to head with the aliens

I respectfully disagree with, well, just about every word of this.

I think there is absolutely a place to tell another story with Colonial Marines, but I think that a show that is merely "state of the art badass marines going head to head with the aliens" would be incredibly reductive. And, not to mention, would miss the entire point of Aliens.

I'm also very intrigued by the can of worms that the prequels opened up with the Engineers, and the original film with its depiction of the "Space Jockey." I think there is still a lot to explore there. Mostly, though, I just want to see David's further descent, and all of its gothic horror trappings, as he uses his pile of meat - ehm, the passengers on the Covenant - to continue on with his experiments.

Quote from: skhellter on Dec 11, 2020, 06:06:34 PM
There was no mention of any Predator movie during the presentation (that i know of)
and we know that is happening.

I don't really see 20th century studios avoiding more alien movies.. while a predator film is in development.



Fingers crossed. Could be that Ridley is involved here the way he was with the Blomkamp project - to make sure wires don't get crossed - while he is toiling away with a project of his own.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 11, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 06:09:50 PM
Fingers crossed. Could be that Ridley is involved here the way he was with the Blomkamp project - to make sure wires don't get crossed - while he is toiling away with a project of his own.

His involvement seems to have killed that particular project.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
"They are a dying species, grasping for resurrection. They don't deserve to start again, and I am not going to let them."

"Earth, man. What a shithole."


Remember that, Hawley.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 07:36:03 PM
The whole Earth thing is pretty vague. It could always have some kind of flashback sequences to an outbreak of sorts on earth. Or always start off on earth but end ultimately with meeting the alien species...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 11, 2020, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Dec 11, 2020, 07:36:03 PM
The whole Earth thing is pretty vague. It could always have some kind of flashback sequences to an outbreak of sorts on earth. Or always start off on earth but end ultimately with meeting the alien species...

I don't know about that. In the video they explicitly state "It's the first Alien story set on Earth."

And use this as a backdrop:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Eo6WGsOXUAEmuwd-701x324.jpg)

If Earth were just a flashback or prologue or something here, then that would be no different from how Prometheus used Earth in its early scenes, which would hardly make this a franchise "first."
Title: Re: Re: Two ALIEN TV Shows in the works (Rumour)
Post by: irn on Dec 11, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 12:04:56 AM
Or they turn it into a corporate thriller about WY...

This is what I'm hoping for. But in the announcement video they kind of alluded to it having xenomorphs.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 11, 2020, 09:01:34 PM
Quote from: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Dec 11, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
Wow. How mature.

Maturity is my middle name.


QuoteI will remind you of your words when this series is all about androids, life and creation.
Friendo.  :-*

Is this supposed to worry me? I love both the prequels and Raised by Wolves, I'd be fine with androids, life and creation.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 09:53:36 PM
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 11:05:42 PM
Good video! I even got mentioned :D To be honest it rubbs me the wrong way you actually know more then I do :P
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Post by: Mr.Turok on Dec 11, 2020, 11:54:45 PM
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH BOY HERE WE GO!

Honestly I have to admit, I really am put off by the story taking place on Earth. I would much prefer to see a colony on some planet with some kind of story that involves looking into rumors of people disappearing and illegal activities doing about in the nearby Weyland Yutani facility. Almost like a suspense/thriller kind of detective story. I always adored the atmosphere and environment of the Hadley's Hope colony and wanted to see more of that in the series. Plus, its not fair that Star Wars gets to see outer space and exotic places while we get to be stuck on Earth, even if its just 100 years into the future, it just sounds like just another way to save money by using locations around here and not the cool settings from past films.

I am still not keen with the possibility of David being the sole creator of the Aliens as we know them now but if this takes place before Covenant and it shows Aliens as they are, then I'm up for anything that turns that possibility. If anything, the lore and ideas from Prometheus looks much more interesting than what David has to offer.

Oh and as for the Ice Queen herself from AVP, it would be interesting and fun as a fan for both series, however Ridley did say long ago that he doesn't consider AVP part of Alien Universe. Weyland origins being too different is a factor there as well.

I'm just really happy that there is a lot of Alien/Predator content in the future.....which makes me wonder if any of this will lead or inspire creators to look at AVP anytime soon.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2020, 01:05:54 AM
Given the basic details of the show (Earth setting in a near future), I'm as curious as RidgeTop about what's going on with the origins of the Alien  :laugh:

While the cannon is subject to change, I am very curious to learn how they are going to approach that.

Also, I'd like an anthology series, although I agree that it would be a bit complicated with the clifganger, when it comes to self contained stories. Unless it's a massive hit like The Haunted of Hill House, such that people are going to want more despite not having the same characters.

But like I said, the anthology taking place at different times is my cup of tea. Plus an anime  8)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 01:29:00 AM
I wonder now if those comments from Ridley Scott back in September, about another prequel that isn't quite part of the Prometheus/Alien: Covenant string of events, might have been related to this project?

Quote"That's in process. We went down a route to try and reinvent the wheel with Prometheus and Covenant," he enthused. "Whether or not we go directly back to that is doubtful because Prometheus woke it up very well. But you know, you're asking fundamental questions like, 'Has the Alien himself, the facehugger, the chestburster, have they all run out of steam? Do you have to rethink the whole bloody thing and simply use the word to franchise?' That's always the fundamental question."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonthompson/2020/09/02/ridley-scott-interview-raised-by-wolves-hbo-max-alien-franchise-future-sequel-news/?sh=720e90645831
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2020, 02:14:06 AM
Perhaps it is a prequel in a sense to Resurrection.
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Post by: bb-15 on Dec 12, 2020, 02:19:47 AM
(I saw the video about this on the AVP Galaxy YouTube channel.)

I'm excited. I have no expectations Disney/Fox except for this;
Get the TV series done.
And I hope it's successful.

;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 12, 2020, 02:35:17 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 01:29:00 AM
I wonder now if those comments from Ridley Scott back in September, about another prequel that isn't quite part of the Prometheus/Alien: Covenant string of events, might have been related to this project?

Quote"That's in process. We went down a route to try and reinvent the wheel with Prometheus and Covenant," he enthused. "Whether or not we go directly back to that is doubtful because Prometheus woke it up very well. But you know, you're asking fundamental questions like, 'Has the Alien himself, the facehugger, the chestburster, have they all run out of steam? Do you have to rethink the whole bloody thing and simply use the word to franchise?' That's always the fundamental question."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonthompson/2020/09/02/ridley-scott-interview-raised-by-wolves-hbo-max-alien-franchise-future-sequel-news/?sh=720e90645831
Hmm, I did think it was odd how he mentioned not going back to what he did with Prometheus/Covenant, while a few months before he said he was still working on the third prequel.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 02:47:03 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 12, 2020, 02:35:17 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 01:29:00 AM
I wonder now if those comments from Ridley Scott back in September, about another prequel that isn't quite part of the Prometheus/Alien: Covenant string of events, might have been related to this project?

Quote"That's in process. We went down a route to try and reinvent the wheel with Prometheus and Covenant," he enthused. "Whether or not we go directly back to that is doubtful because Prometheus woke it up very well. But you know, you're asking fundamental questions like, 'Has the Alien himself, the facehugger, the chestburster, have they all run out of steam? Do you have to rethink the whole bloody thing and simply use the word to franchise?' That's always the fundamental question."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonthompson/2020/09/02/ridley-scott-interview-raised-by-wolves-hbo-max-alien-franchise-future-sequel-news/?sh=720e90645831
Hmm, I did think it was odd how he mentioned not going back to what he did with Prometheus/Covenant, while a few months before he said he was still working on the third prequel.

Yeah. And given his involvement in this show, to whatever extent that may be, it does almost feel like this particular Ridley Ramble (I want to trademark that term) might actually be reflective of that transition from a Covenant sequel to this show...
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 12, 2020, 02:48:17 AM
Season 1 could just be about smuggling a finger from a facehugger past quarantine.  :D
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 12, 2020, 02:50:52 AM
I do love a good ramble.
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Post by: St_Eddie on Dec 12, 2020, 03:18:57 AM
Alright, calm down, Florenz Friedrich Sigismund.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 12, 2020, 08:59:36 AM
Well, they said it's the first Alien story set on earth, right? Therefore the AVP movies can't be in this timeline, given that they were both on earth. Or did they forget that they made those?
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Post by: Stolen on Dec 12, 2020, 09:03:32 AM
I have absolutely no hype for this despite Ridley's presence.

I don't think the serial format fits Alien.
For me, Alien is meant to be an experience and not something you see everywhere.

Look at Star Wars, today it looks like nothing. Ten series, ten films, tons of projects, horrible and intrusive merchandising.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 12, 2020, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 12, 2020, 02:48:17 AM
Season 1 could just be about smuggling a finger from a facehugger past quarantine.  :D

I wrote a big thing about it once, but the tl;dr is season 1, corporate conspiracy starring our colonial marine anti-heroes who discover their consciences during the story, with the Alien being mostly a distant plot device. Season 2, basically Labyrinth with a bigger cast.

No season 3, or a fresh plot after that.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 12, 2020, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: Stolen on Dec 12, 2020, 09:03:32 AM
I have absolutely no hype for this despite Ridley's presence.

I don't think the serial format fits Alien.
For me, Alien is meant to be an experience and not something you see everywhere.

Look at Star Wars, today it looks like nothing. Ten series, ten films, tons of projects, horrible and intrusive merchandising.

I'm excited for this series but I see your point, yeah
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2020, 10:18:23 AM
Quote from: Stolen on Dec 12, 2020, 09:03:32 AMI don't think the serial format fits Alien.
For me, Alien is meant to be an experience and not something you see everywhere.

That's assuming the Alien's going to be in it constantly, or that the story won't be contained to a distinct location.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 12, 2020, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 01:29:00 AM
I wonder now if those comments from Ridley Scott back in September, about another prequel that isn't quite part of the Prometheus/Alien: Covenant string of events, might have been related to this project?

Quote"That's in process. We went down a route to try and reinvent the wheel with Prometheus and Covenant," he enthused. "Whether or not we go directly back to that is doubtful because Prometheus woke it up very well. But you know, you're asking fundamental questions like, 'Has the Alien himself, the facehugger, the chestburster, have they all run out of steam? Do you have to rethink the whole bloody thing and simply use the word to franchise?' That's always the fundamental question."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonthompson/2020/09/02/ridley-scott-interview-raised-by-wolves-hbo-max-alien-franchise-future-sequel-news/?sh=720e90645831

Not just that. Right after Covenant failed to do well:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/hollywood-rethinks-key-movie-franchises-a-mixed-summer-at-box-office-1022322/item/alien-studios-rethink-franchise-films-1022312
QuoteSources say Fox will have to reassess two intended sequels Scott has pitched while he is off helming Getty kidnapping movie All the Money in the World and then drug lord drama The Cartel.

as well as:

https://variety.com/2017/film/features/stacey-snider-21st-century-fox-first-year-1202563799/
Quote"It was a disappointment, but I trust Ridley [Scott] and Emma [Watts] to know the right story when they find it. When universes are as rich as "Alien," they can stay in a too familiar groove — in which case you're in trouble — but they can also find a planet or a storyline or a villain that also lives in that universe that can be groundbreaking."

The idea of a Fassbender led 3rd prequel movie seems to have been off the cards for a while, now.


Btw. This tv show project is an old project brought back to life due to Disney acquiring Fox. Wonder how Disney feels about the old Weaver/Blomkamp movie.
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 12, 2020, 01:41:16 PM
My dreams of muhrines being sodomised by David's juicy biomechanoids will remain a dream.  :'(
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Post by: Evanus on Dec 12, 2020, 02:43:22 PM
:'(
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
I am still crossing my fingers in hopes that elements form the prequels aren't totally swept under the rug here. I'm less optimistic about David having a future....

I just hope that one day very soon they come out and actually explain what "set not too far in the future here on Earth" means.
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Post by: Ahsoka on Dec 12, 2020, 06:16:18 PM
With Ridley Scott involved, I hope it will tie-in with Prometheus/Covenant in some ways.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 12, 2020, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 12, 2020, 01:21:28 PM
Btw. This tv show project is an old project brought back to life due to Disney acquiring Fox.

That's why I'm betting this won't acknowledge the prequels, and when asked, Noah will say he had no intention of confirming or denying the prequels and was simply focused on his own story. It sounds like the ideas for this show may predate the revelation that David made the aliens.

So we'll be left to debate if the prequels aren't canon at all or if the revelation that David is the creator has just been Rise-of-Skywalker'd.
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Post by: Master on Dec 12, 2020, 07:49:49 PM
I'm cool with David being a creator not the creator ( though I still wonder where he conveniently hid all of the equipment necessary for genetical manipulation on molecular level,  which he would need to "make" aliens). I'm cool none of the prequels being mentioned  ( I mean AvP and Ridleyverse). I'm cool with nods to both. Basically let the games  begin . We'll surely comment it later.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
Cmon fellas. We should be cautiously optimistic. I predict that this show is going to give us the best of both worlds: horror, mystery and industrial future with people who hate each other but who have to work together for a cold and evil megacorporation; as in Alien. All that seasoned with the exquisite doses of action and militaristic gizmos + Vietnam War fetish of Cameron.

And as for David, he will be killed in a motorcycle accident like his hero T. E. Lawrence, While he's driving down an alien highway of Origae 6.

Unfortunately but mostly fortunately, I never predict anything  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 10:35:58 PM
I want to believe. I really, genuinely do. And I dig Hawely. I am trying to go in with an open mind for sure, but also - I really want to know what the hell they mean by "set not too far in the future here on Earth."

I wish someone had an interview with Hawley and/or Scott ready to publish after this announcement, since Disney just breezed right through this unveiling at their conference.
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Post by: son_of_kane on Dec 12, 2020, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 12, 2020, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 12, 2020, 01:21:28 PM
Btw. This tv show project is an old project brought back to life due to Disney acquiring Fox.

That's why I'm betting this won't acknowledge the prequels, and when asked, Noah will say he had no intention of confirming or denying the prequels and was simply focused on his own story. It sounds like the ideas for this show may predate the revelation that David made the aliens.

So we'll be left to debate if the prequels aren't canon at all or if the revelation that David is the creator has just been Rise-of-Skywalker'd.

It will certainly be interesting to see what happens regarding David, the engineers and the alien pathogen. The level of involvement Ridley has with the show will be key of course. We don't know right now how hands-on he is going to be. If he ends up directing a few episodes, there will almost certainly be some of the prequel elements intertwined with the narrative.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2020, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 10:35:58 PM
I want to believe. I really, genuinely do. And I dig Hawely. I am trying to go in with an open mind for sure, but also - I really want to know what the hell they mean by "set not too far in the future here on Earth."

I wish someone had an interview with Hawley and/or Scott ready to publish after this announcement, since Disney just breezed right through this unveiling at their conference.

It's never going to happen, but I'd love to see a Mad Max-style dystopia with elements of bio-punk and Scorn video game, taking place after Resurrection.

(https://i.ibb.co/R7YNPT9/Alien-Resurrection-Alternate-Ending.jpg)

I think it would be interesting for an anthology series that explores different parts of the timeline with each season.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Dec 12, 2020, 10:45:33 PM
It will certainly be interesting to see what happens regarding David, the engineers and the alien pathogen. The level of involvement Ridley has with the show will be key of course. We don't know right now how hands-on he is going to be. If he ends up directing a few episodes, there will almost certainly be some of the prequel elements intertwined with the narrative.

I know I've said it before in the thread, but I would love for Ridley's relationship with Noah Hawley on this show to be similar to his relationship with Aaron Guzikowski on Raised by Wolves.

Raised by Wolves is Guzikowski's show, which was brought to ScottFree and Ridley became enamored by it. He was intricately involved in the design and visual style of Guzikowski's narrative, helping hash all of that out during an extensive pre-production period, and and went on to actually direct the first to episodes to really anchor down the style of the show, and the rest of the directing staff followed suit over the next eight episodes. It is very much Aaron Guzikowski's series, but with so much of that Ridley DNA now imbued in it. From the sound of things, Ridley likely won't be returning to direct any episodes in the show's second season, but his finger prints are already all over the project now, and Guzikowski is a strong showrunner that can really run with the material. If the same happens here that doesn't automatically mean that we'll be getting David/Pathogen elements coming into play, as it is Noah Hawley's story at the end of the day, but only time will tell for any of this...

I'd also love if this series existing doesn't necessarily mean that the Covenant sequel won't happen. Theoretically, however slim it may be, there's a chance that we might get both.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2020, 10:54:14 PM
I think it would be interesting for an anthology series that explores different parts of the timeline with each season.

And given Hawley's ongoing work on Fargo, another anthology series (and also for FX), there is definitely precedent that this could be something along those lines...
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2020, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
And given Hawley's ongoing work on Fargo, another anthology series (and also for FX), there is definitely precedent that this could be something along those lines...

Perhaps if the series is successful (and as long as it is an anthology), one of the seasons could fill the gap between Alien Covenant and Alien.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 11:03:19 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2020, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
And given Hawley's ongoing work on Fargo, another anthology series (and also for FX), there is definitely precedent that this could be something along those lines...

Perhaps if the series is successful (and as long as it is an anthology), one of the seasons could fill the gap between Alien Covenant and Alien.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/6f/c5/db6fc51b974b3f77c4e5f75718f399be.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 12, 2020, 11:27:04 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 12, 2020, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
And given Hawley's ongoing work on Fargo, another anthology series (and also for FX), there is definitely precedent that this could be something along those lines...

Perhaps if the series is successful (and as long as it is an anthology), one of the seasons could fill the gap between Alien Covenant and Alien.

Ja. And don't forget the gap between Alien and Blade Runner.

Two seasons should do.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 12, 2020, 11:30:11 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Dec 12, 2020, 11:27:04 PM
Ja. And don't forget the gap between Alien and Blade Runner.

Disney hasn't eaten Warner Bros yet, as far as I'm aware.
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Post by: kwisatz on Dec 12, 2020, 11:35:30 PM
I have it on good authority that they are in troubled waters.

They could hire DV to help and consult. Streaming is teh future.
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Post by: Inverse Effect on Dec 12, 2020, 11:53:34 PM
Just heard about this after watching/listening to the AVP Galaxy Podcast so i just jumped straight onto here for more scoop.
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Post by: CainsSon on Dec 13, 2020, 12:16:03 AM
I worked with Noah Hawley years ago and got to talking with him. Obviously, his shows have been good and I trust him, but I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would make an Alien prequel set on Earth. Unless we are talking about after Covenant and taking off from there. Still, doesn't anyone else see the problem with Xenos on earth before Ripley? Because it just seems like waving a flag around that says "Prequel mistake 101" to me.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 12:53:03 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 13, 2020, 12:16:03 AM
I worked with Noah Hawley years ago and go to talking with him. Obviously, his shows have been good and I trust him, but I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would make an Alien prequel set on Earth. Unless we are talking about after Covenant and taking off from there. Still, doesn't anyone else see the problem with xenos on earth before Ripley? Because its just seems like waving a flag around that says "Prequel mistake 101" to me.

Yeah, there's like three different levels of "WTF" with the "set not too far in the future here on Earth" that I just can't wrap my head around. How soon is "not too far in the future?" Pre-Prometheus? Post-Covenant? Does it disregard the prequels? I'd say maybe they could be doing something after Alien 3 (or after Alien: Resurrection) but neither of those options feel near future to me. And mostly, why set it on Earth, a location which the entire franchise has explicitly made a point of avoiding in any significant capacity?

I know more information will be coming in time, and I just need to be patient and wait for that, 'cause right now I'm just asking the same questions in an endless cycle...
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Post by: acrediblesource on Dec 13, 2020, 03:10:06 AM
The TED TALK Mentioned 2020 or so in terms of major technological acheivements. So it would definitely have a futuristic vibe to it. I would think maybe there is now knowledge of what Prometheus's crew had discovered so it might be set after Prometheus and then  to covenant maybe?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 03:52:58 AM
Being set "far after Prometheus" absolutely sounds reasonable... which makes what makes the timeframe they described in the reveal so confusing.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 03:52:58 AM
Being set "far after Prometheus" absolutely sounds reasonable... which makes what makes the timeframe they described in the reveal so confusing.

Still hoping it was to explain to the investors it'd be a hundred years or so out, rather than deep future like other shows that might be on the go.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 04:47:01 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 03:52:58 AM
Being set "far after Prometheus" absolutely sounds reasonable... which makes what makes the timeframe they described in the reveal so confusing.

Still hoping it was to explain to the investors it'd be a hundred years or so out, rather than deep future like other shows that might be on the go.

I am absolutely hoping the same, but the same terminology was used on the Tweet to announce it to the public as well:

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/1337170861179117572
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Post by: irn on Dec 13, 2020, 05:40:07 AM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Dec 13, 2020, 03:10:06 AM
The TED TALK Mentioned 2020 or so in terms of major technological acheivements. So it would definitely have a futuristic vibe to it.

It could be about Weyland's rise to glory, starring Guy Pearce.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:02:00 AM
Quote from: irn on Dec 13, 2020, 05:40:07 AM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Dec 13, 2020, 03:10:06 AM
The TED TALK Mentioned 2020 or so in terms of major technological acheivements. So it would definitely have a futuristic vibe to it.

It could be about Weyland's rise to glory, starring Guy Pearce.

Well, trillionaires rising to power matches the "scary" description from the Tweet all right...
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 13, 2020, 06:13:31 AM
If Hicks could just *wink* that the further details he knows are good or exciting. Just wink  :D
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 13, 2020, 07:53:01 AM
It sounds like they're just pitching it to investors. The "not so distant future" part and the Earth setting makes it sound not as expensive to shoot and produce, and the Alien/Aliens shout-outs are just buzzwords, just like they're mentioning Ridley Scott's involvement etc.

The show will most likely take place post-Covenant on some shit-hole colony and/or dinged up space station with some other locations here and there to keep it fresh.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 04:47:01 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 03:52:58 AM
Being set "far after Prometheus" absolutely sounds reasonable... which makes what makes the timeframe they described in the reveal so confusing.

Still hoping it was to explain to the investors it'd be a hundred years or so out, rather than deep future like other shows that might be on the go.

I am absolutely hoping the same, but the same terminology was used on the Tweet to announce it to the public as well:

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/1337170861179117572


Is the whole thing verbatim, or just that phrase?
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 13, 2020, 08:43:44 AM
Maybe it's from the perspective of someone that's survived an encounter and is now on earth telling their story, etc.
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Post by: Master on Dec 13, 2020, 10:06:12 AM
It'll be about illegal Aliens and bunch of USCM bought back to earth to help deal with problem. Action takes place simultaneously at Mediterranean area and at border of Mexico. You heard it here first folks  :P :P :P
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 13, 2020, 10:59:58 AM
The Rise of Burke.  :D
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Post by: TC on Dec 13, 2020, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 13, 2020, 12:16:03 AM
I worked with Noah Hawley years ago and go to talking with him. Obviously, his shows have been good and I trust him, but I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would make an Alien prequel set on Earth. Unless we are talking about after Covenant and taking off from there. Still, doesn't anyone else see the problem with xenos on earth before Ripley? Because its just seems like waving a flag around that says "Prequel mistake 101" to me.

He should just say it's a reboot, "alternative timeline," kind of deal. That would explain it.

10 years ago that sort of thing would cause a mass uprising. Nowadays, it's so common... everyone gets it.

TC
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on Dec 13, 2020, 01:09:38 PM
Well on a different matter: Some here say tv-series are better than movies but most tv-series Ive seen have had watered down conceopts and quality of what a movie would bring in, better quality in screen/cameras and effects while tv-series always thinks about budgets more strict and saves in on effects and most episodes are just fillers which to me is tiresome.
Looking at terminator sarah connor chronicles, games of thrones, robocop, firefly/serenity, etc.

Also alien is horror and no tv series I have watched has ever done good horror, drama maybe but so slowpace that one wont be afraid or jump or start nervously talk due to how scary it is, I doubt a tvseries can reach the horror level of the thing, alien/s, evil dead 1, the descent etc.
I dont see a tv series managing doing that episode after episode of nail birting gore and horrors that alien fans want.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Hatemorph on Dec 13, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
I'm not excited, but that's just me.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 02:03:09 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 04:47:01 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 04:42:38 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 03:52:58 AM
Being set "far after Prometheus" absolutely sounds reasonable... which makes what makes the timeframe they described in the reveal so confusing.

Still hoping it was to explain to the investors it'd be a hundred years or so out, rather than deep future like other shows that might be on the go.

I am absolutely hoping the same, but the same terminology was used on the Tweet to announce it to the public as well:

https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/1337170861179117572


Is the whole thing verbatim, or just that phrase?

The exact phrasing in the conference was slightly different, but sells the same concept: "...set not too far into our future, it's the first Alien story set on Earth."
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 13, 2020, 02:07:08 PM
A tie into a following film for or this series serving as the basis for concluding the prequel story would be ideal for me
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Miguel on Dec 13, 2020, 02:12:48 PM
Whatever this Alien series, the horror of the original film, the action of the second part or the mystery and philosophy of the prequels, I will be happy as long as it is well produced.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 02:17:11 PM
This is all too exciting! Hoping that, since it's set on Earth, this ties into the Alien Queen which is still frozen in Antarctica or some Xenomorph remnant from Gunnison, Colorado (even they may perhaps go in a different direction). It also has to be noted that this taking place in the very near future would almost certainly suggest that they are ignoring the idea of David being the creator of the Xenomorphs (an idea which was already contradicted by the official novelization among various other related materials by the way) and so hopefully this issue will finally be put to rest. I think this might be good!  8)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 02:28:13 PM
Seeing as they are billing this as "the first Alien story set on Earth," I very much doubt they are going to take anything from the two AVP films that were set on Earth into consideration.

As it stands, even under Disney/20th Century Studios it looks like the Alien, Predator, and AVP properties are still being kept separate for now.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 03:19:10 PM
No matter how strong the Alien Queen is, the pressure of the water will turn her into a pancake. And then the sea current will scatter her remains like Engineer's molecules. The likelihood of finding Ripley's blood samples on Fury-161 is much higher than the queen's body on the seabed.
So, with the power of logic there is no chance of continuing AvP.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 03:42:12 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 13, 2020, 12:16:03 AM
I worked with Noah Hawley years ago and go to talking with him. Obviously, his shows have been good and I trust him, but I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would make an Alien prequel set on Earth. Unless we are talking about after Covenant and taking off from there. Still, doesn't anyone else see the problem with xenos on earth before Ripley? Because its just seems like waving a flag around that says "Prequel mistake 101" to me.

"Earth stuff" will probably be:

we meet the characters here before going on a journey to another planet with them.
OR.. they find some Engineer structure here on Earth. (ripping off AVP again, just like Prometheus did).
OR.. the Aliens finally reach our planet and it's full on War of the Worlds mayhem. (but on a tv budget.. don't think so)

Who knows.
Lots of ways that this could go wrong.. and lots of ways for it to go right.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 03:54:29 PM
Can we predict the appearance of some Ripley ancestor?
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 13, 2020, 04:46:06 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/834040002656899074

Anyone remember this here?
Makes one wonder indeed.
If this existed in the plans for a long time.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Highland on Dec 13, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
I mean the company could have just sent another ship to the Prometheus planet where the Deacon is. I doubt it's going to be full on earth infestation obviously. It might just be an island facility that's over run and the likes.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 05:47:46 PM
my main bet is still on "WY finds an ancient Engineer structure on Earth, deep underground.."
Set sometime after Alien3.

Or

WY manages to dig up the Derelict (which magically survived the blast in Aliens) on LV426 and they bring it home.


(Not a fan of either idea.. and definitely not a fan of the Earth setting in this)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 05:51:19 PM
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/datAZ.jpg)

Hey, uh, Mr. Engineer sir? You could have saved everyone a lot of trouble if you just pointed down at that ancient relic you left behind instead of up to LV-223.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 05:53:31 PM
what are the odds that we're gonna find yet another engineer in a cryosleep chamber...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 05:53:31 PM
what are the odds that we're gonna find yet another engineer in a cryosleep chamber...

On the third day, the Jesus Engineer rose from his cryo tube.

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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 06:03:30 PM
didn't Lindelof talk once about having a prologue on Earth for the next movie....


possibly with Engineer Jesus being crucified... . :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:10:54 PM
I can't remember if Lindelof ever mentioned the Jesus concept, but I do know that Ridley did:

Quote"If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 02:28:13 PM
Seeing as they are billing this as "the first Alien story set on Earth," I very much doubt they are going to take anything from the two AVP films that were set on Earth into consideration.

As it stands, even under Disney/20th Century Studios it looks like the Alien, Predator, and AVP properties are still being kept separate for now.

I don't think we're supposed to take that part of the presentation too literally/seriously (nor do I think it had anything whatsoever to do with continuity), seeing as we've had multiple Alien stories already set on Earth (AVP being one example), and perhaps the emphasis was cinematic solo Alien stories. They may be going for something different, but fact still stands that all four properties have never truly been "separate" (certainly not at this point) and so it's fair to speculate, and solo stories will always exist regardless.


Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 03:19:10 PM
No matter how strong the Alien Queen is, the pressure of the water will turn her into a pancake. And then the sea current will scatter her remains like Engineer's molecules. The likelihood of finding Ripley's blood samples on Fury-161 is much higher than the queen's body on the seabed.
So, with the power of logic there is no chance of continuing AvP.

That's one option, unless she's fit to survive high pressure like many animals are, and the people in charge of such a project could very well go for any options or explanations for her survival that they would like. In science fiction there aren't really any boundaries, and we still don't know what happened to her, but all we know is she was sent to disappear into that dark abyss. She's an opportunity waiting to be exploited.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
but fact still stands that all four properties have never truly been "separate" (certainly not at this point)

Except that Prometheus/Alien: Covenant and Alien vs Predator/Aliens vs Predator: Requiem are totally incompatible, and that was very much known to the filmmakers (with Damon Lindelof explicitly acknowledging that fact and mentioning it to Ridley Scott, who did not care at all about the AVP films) and 20th Century Fox (who approved all of the decisions to overwrite the AVP films) while the prequels were being developed. But that's a discussion that's been had a million times now, and not really one I want to waste time on again.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 13, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
Can you f**king stop it with this absolute shit TurokSWE?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 05:47:46 PM
my main bet is still on "WY finds an ancient Engineer structure on Earth, deep underground.."
Set sometime after Alien3.

Or

WY manages to dig up the Derelict (which magically survived the blast in Aliens) on LV426 and they bring it home.


(Not a fan of either idea.. and definitely not a fan of the Earth setting in this)

Only problem is they said it's going to be set in the near future on Earth.


Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 13, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
Can you f**king stop it with this absolute shit TurokSWE?

What is your problem?


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:23:19 PM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
but fact still stands that all four properties have never truly been "separate" (certainly not at this point)

Except that Prometheus/Alien: Covenant and Alien vs Predator/Aliens vs Predator: Requiem are totally incompatible, and that was very much known to the filmmakers (with Damon Lindelof explicitly acknowledging that fact and mentioning it to Ridley Scott, who did not care at all about the AVP films) and 20th Century Fox (who approved all of the decisions to overwrite the AVP films) while the prequels were being developed. But that's a discussion that's been had a million times now, and not really one I want to waste time on again.

Don't do this again. I've responded to this same nonsense time and time again. You're not doing any of us any favors by starting this again. Live and let live, try tolerating people who do not share your preferred continuities. Agreed?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 13, 2020, 06:32:48 PM
No chance, not tolerating you calling SM and Andrew Gaska liars again, get lost.
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Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 13, 2020, 06:32:48 PM
No chance, not tolerating you calling SM and Andrew Gaska liars again, get lost.

I think you should take your own advice then and get lost. I'm not getting into another one of these pointless arguments, and I'm disappointed to see you're trying to start another one.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 13, 2020, 06:42:26 PM
Says the guy leaving multiple locked threads in his wake, it's not an opinion you're offering, you're stating your opinion as though it's fact once again knowing fully people will take issue with it and start that discussion again what a surprise.
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Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 13, 2020, 06:38:47 PM
Says the guy leaving multiple locked threads in his wake, because he refuses to see sense, and here you're stating your opinion as though it's fact once again- what a total surprise.

You're starting it again for no good reason. You're the only one being hostile here. Please stop. It will do no good.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:10:54 PM
I can't remember if Lindelof ever mentioned the Jesus concept, but I do know that Ridley did:

Quote"If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

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Imagine Ridley directing the first episode of this....
and the prologue is the Engineer being crucified.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 07:01:29 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:10:54 PM
I can't remember if Lindelof ever mentioned the Jesus concept, but I do know that Ridley did:

Quote"If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

Spoiler
(https://www.scified.com/u/5cfefd02.bw-crop3957x3788x0x0-fit990xNone-q9_.RidleyScott_.jpg)
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Imagine Ridley directing the first episode of this....
and the prologue is the Engineer being crucified.  :laugh:

(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5f507604eeff76d32289dbf9/960x0.jpg?fit=scale)

8)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:15:24 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 13, 2020, 04:46:06 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/834040002656899074

Anyone remember this here?
Makes one wonder indeed.
If this existed in the plans for a long time.


Likely coincidental.


Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
You're starting it again for no good reason. You're the only one being hostile here. Please stop. It will do no good.

Dude, don't act as if it isn't your attitude that gets people riled up. You know exactly what you're doing.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:15:24 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 13, 2020, 04:46:06 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/834040002656899074

Anyone remember this here?
Makes one wonder indeed.
If this existed in the plans for a long time.


Likely coincidental.


Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
You're starting it again for no good reason. You're the only one being hostile here. Please stop. It will do no good.

Dude, don't act as if it isn't your attitude that gets people riled up. You know exactly what you're doing.

What have I done here in this thread exactly? Please do tell me! I don't take responsibility for people getting riled up for no good reason. If anything, my attitude in the past has been a reflection of my experience. All I've been seeing are people attacking and discriminating against others who do not share their perception of continuity within this franchise. I reiterate, please, do not start this again. Let's try and tolerate each other instead. This conversation has already been done, there is no need for it to continue, and there is no need for any more personal attacks. Honestly, this is pointless and unproductive.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:44:35 PM
Lol alright mate but -

QuoteAll I've been seeing are people attacking and discriminating against others who do not share their perception of continuity within this franchise.

Glass houses hahahaha.
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Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 07:52:42 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:44:35 PM
Lol alright mate but -

QuoteAll I've been seeing are people attacking and discriminating against others who do not share their perception of continuity within this franchise.

Glass houses hahahaha.

Perhaps you could say that in some sense but I've still been reflecting the treatment other people have given me and others who disagree with them. We need to be able to tolerate each other, or else there will be these ridiculous conflicts between us forever, and it won't do anyone of us any good.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 13, 2020, 07:55:01 PM
That's funny, I'd almost be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if your website stated it's all your point of view, or if you didn't call Nightmare Asylum's valid reply nonsense.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 07:52:42 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:44:35 PM
Lol alright mate but -

QuoteAll I've been seeing are people attacking and discriminating against others who do not share their perception of continuity within this franchise.

Glass houses hahahaha.

Perhaps you could say that in some sense but I've still been reflecting the treatment other people have given me and others who disagree with them. We need to be able to tolerate each other, or else there will be these ridiculous conflicts between us forever, and it won't do anyone of us any good.

From what I've seen, your comments come off as very authoritative rather than just as opinions or theories, and when presented with evidence from actual authorities on the subject, you dismiss them for not agreeing with you.

But honestly, I'm not sure you aren't a troll so I'm not going to bother beyond this point.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
if he only stirs shit up.. ban him.
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Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 09:11:35 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 13, 2020, 07:55:01 PM
That's funny, I'd almost be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt if your website stated it's all your point of view, or if you didn't call Nightmare Asylum's valid reply nonsense.

Again, you're being hostile and intolerant here. I promise you it's a pointless waste of time and it will still do none of us any good.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: RidgeTop on Dec 13, 2020, 09:18:02 PM
Let's cool it people.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 13, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:10:54 PM
I can't remember if Lindelof ever mentioned the Jesus concept, but I do know that Ridley did:

Quote"If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

Spoiler
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I think Damon Lindelof should write one of the episodes of the series.

Lindelof was born in Teaneck, New Jersey, the son of Susan Klausner, a teacher, and David Lindelof, a bank manager.

(https://i.ibb.co/zZbFY60/Face-App-1607893631752-3.jpg)

He attended Teaneck High School, a school whose diverse student body he credits with expanding his horizons as a writer. Lindelof's mother is Jewish, and his father is of Scandinavian descent.

(https://i.ibb.co/25gwc0n/Face-App-1607893720977-2.jpg)

He has received so much backlash because of Prometheus, Tomorrowland, but most of all because of his work on Lost. However, the man has redeemed himself with solid pieces of entertainment such as Watchmen and The Leftovers, making it clear that TV is the format where he can truly shine like none other.

(https://i.ibb.co/Rvb0DPq/Face-App-1607893187235-2.jpg)
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 13, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 06:10:54 PM
I can't remember if Lindelof ever mentioned the Jesus concept, but I do know that Ridley did:

Quote"If you look at it as an 'our children are misbehaving down there' scenario, there are moments where it looks like we've gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, 'Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it.' Guess what? They crucified him."

Spoiler
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I think Damon Lindelof should write one of the episodes of the series.

Lindelof was born in Teaneck, New Jersey, the son of Susan Klausner, a teacher, and David Lindelof, a bank manager.

(https://i.ibb.co/zZbFY60/Face-App-1607893631752-3.jpg)

He attended Teaneck High School, a school whose diverse student body he credits with expanding his horizons as a writer. Lindelof's mother is Jewish, and his father is of Scandinavian descent.

(https://i.ibb.co/25gwc0n/Face-App-1607893720977-2.jpg)

He has received so much backlash because of Prometheus, Tomorrowland, but most of all because of his work on Lost. However, the man has redeemed himself with solid pieces of entertainment such as Watchmen and The Leftovers, making it clear that TV is the format where he can truly shine like none other.

(https://i.ibb.co/Rvb0DPq/Face-App-1607893187235-2.jpg)


HAHAHAHAHAHA

f**k
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 09:39:26 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 09:42:45 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 07:52:42 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 13, 2020, 07:44:35 PM
Lol alright mate but -

QuoteAll I've been seeing are people attacking and discriminating against others who do not share their perception of continuity within this franchise.

Glass houses hahahaha.

Perhaps you could say that in some sense but I've still been reflecting the treatment other people have given me and others who disagree with them. We need to be able to tolerate each other, or else there will be these ridiculous conflicts between us forever, and it won't do anyone of us any good.

From what I've seen, your comments come off as very authoritative rather than just as opinions or theories, and when presented with evidence from actual authorities on the subject, you dismiss them for not agreeing with you.

But honestly, I'm not sure you aren't a troll so I'm not going to bother beyond this point.

First, that may be because I'm genuinly convinced by what I'm communicating, and I am by no means obligated to demote my convictions to the status of mere personal opinion or theories just to please any individual that may disagree with the conclusions drawn. Second, regarding the "actual authorities" you're mentioning, Mr. Gaska appears to be the closest to an "authority" on the matter between the two and he has made statements inconsistent with and contrary to the evidence presented by Fox and others working for them and has reacted suspiciously in regards to the issue, whereas SM seems to have absolutely no authority on the matter and seems to be basing his views on personal speculation and interpretation on the handling of licenses, and neither individual has presented any actual verifiable evidence on the issues discussed. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anyone (even though I seem to be often misunderstood), but I'm merely trying to be objective and make actual sense of things.

I hope you understand why I hold the position I hold. None of my assessments are intended as personal attacks or refusing to tolerate differing views, but they are still what I perceive as fair and objective assessments and criticisms. Third, I want to state that I am not trolling by any means, and I do have autistic factors that could potentially cause some sort of disconnect in the communication between me and others and thus opening the door for misunderstanding. Still I desire to be tolerant of differing views while at the same time remaining true to my convictions, and I have often over the years been disappointed, discouraged, and frustrated at seeing not only me but other fellow fans being attacked and excommunicated by other fans merely for holding not only different convictions but even different preferences, which has served to motivate discussions like this. I also wish that we could move along together without lashing out at each other at every disagreement over canonical issues.


Quote from: RidgeTop on Dec 13, 2020, 09:18:02 PM
Let's cool it people.

I'm fine with that. Thank you good sir!


Quote from: skhellter on Dec 13, 2020, 09:03:32 PM
if he only stirs shit up.. ban him.

I'm not trying to. Believe me. Noting that I would certainly not be solely responsible.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 10:14:52 PM
Plot twist:
They found engineers catacombs under the Antarctica. To explore the ruins and to hide the work, they will create a settlement - the prototype of Hadley's Hope. With the help of some engineering technology, they will build an orbital elevator in that place - the Antartica Station.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 13, 2020, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 10:14:52 PM
Plot twist:
They found engineers catacombs under the Antarctica. To explore the ruins and to hide the work, they will create a settlement - the prototype of Hadley's Hope. With the help of some engineering technology, they will build an orbital elevator in that place - the Antartica Station.

But but! Prometheus is already a snobby AVP :o
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 10:24:54 PM
At Under the Mountains of Madness
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 10:30:21 PM
This is what I call this subgenre - at the moutains of madness - atmom. The thing in itself. Blending multiple genres to create a unique subgenre. Like souls-like subgenre. Own niche.


Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 13, 2020, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 10:14:52 PM
Plot twist:
They found engineers catacombs under the Antarctica. To explore the ruins and to hide the work, they will create a settlement - the prototype of Hadley's Hope. With the help of some engineering technology, they will build an orbital elevator in that place - the Antartica Station.

But but! Prometheus is already a snobby AVP :o
More than you think.
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Post by: TurokSwe on Dec 13, 2020, 10:38:13 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 13, 2020, 10:19:57 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 13, 2020, 10:14:52 PM
Plot twist:
They found engineers catacombs under the Antarctica. To explore the ruins and to hide the work, they will create a settlement - the prototype of Hadley's Hope. With the help of some engineering technology, they will build an orbital elevator in that place - the Antartica Station.

But but! Prometheus is already a snobby AVP :o

That's really funny!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 13, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
Feel like they'll just ignore the prequels honestly. With Scott involved I hope it's connected to Prometheus at least, but I dunno. The whole premise seems to contradict the prequels, assuming it's set before them and includes Xenomorphs. Really hope I'm wrong though.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 13, 2020, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 13, 2020, 10:24:54 PM
At Under the Mountains of Madness

His madness!

(https://i.ibb.co/gjk8gHc/58bd6b23-f5ee-4093-968c-69fd7130b744.gif)


Quote from: Evanus on Dec 13, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
Feel like they'll just ignore the prequels honestly. With Scott involved I hope it's connected to Prometheus at least, but I dunno. The whole premise seems to contradict the prequels, assuming it's set before them and includes Xenomorphs. Really hope I'm wrong though.

We still don't know anything about the plot, but if so ... they can recontextualize elements from the prequels. They can even improve them, like in Alex White's The Cold Forge.
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Post by: Master on Dec 13, 2020, 11:55:03 PM
Yeah, I was pointing it out few pages ago. It's great possibility to combine and sort out all prequels in some manner. They already kinda did similar thing with The Mandalorian.
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Post by: Highland on Dec 14, 2020, 12:03:52 AM
Just "finding some shit" goes against the prequels in a big big way. It's going to be interesting that's for sure. I'm not even sure why they would mention the "set on Earth.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 14, 2020, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 14, 2020, 12:03:52 AM
I'm not even sure why they would mention the "set on Earth.

Yeah, that's a hell of a big "reveal" to drop without even some slight context. You'd think they would have either played that card close to their chest and not said it yet, or say it with a little bit more detail to accompany it.
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Post by: judge death on Dec 14, 2020, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 14, 2020, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 14, 2020, 12:03:52 AM
I'm not even sure why they would mention the "set on Earth.

Yeah, that's a hell of a big "reveal" to drop without even some slight context. You'd think they would have either played that card close to their chest and not said it yet, or say it with a little bit more detail to accompany it.
Or they planned this as good as they did with the star wars movies, not at all :P
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Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 14, 2020, 01:00:31 AM
I hope linedolf stays away the only decent work he has every done was lost and prometheus everything  else is hot garbage
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 14, 2020, 01:55:25 AM
Hopefully is more like Mando's show 😬

Quote from: Master on Dec 13, 2020, 11:55:03 PM
Yeah, I was pointing it out few pages ago. It's great possibility to combine and sort out all prequels in some manner. They already kinda did similar thing with The Mandalorian.

I agree. There is a retcon (maybe two) on Boba Fett, not to mention all the legends stuff that are canon now thanks to the show.

Anyway, I don't really like the "set on Earth" concept. It is not only because of the bad taste that Requiem left me. Is that when I think of Alien, I want to feel it as a distant threat that is in the dark and far corners of the universe, some kind of Great Filter (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter), in the context of the Fermi paradox. Before the prequels,  I thought the Alien was the great filter for the Space Jockeys, as in cosmic horror. But hey, there we have The Call of Cthulhu, At the Mountains of Madness, The Nameless City or Who Goes There?; all good examples of Eldritch Horror set on Earth.

Anyway, I'd rather have something located on Mars, one of Jupiter's moons, or even our moon. A futuristic version of the international space station wouldn't be bad either.

Also, Aliens on Earth in a near future make Ripley's tantrum at Gateway Station kinda funny  :laugh:



But yeah, we still don't know anything about the show. And even more importantly, it all depends on good writing and good execution. In addition, TV series offer interesting possibilities in relation to character development and worldbuilding in general.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 14, 2020, 06:14:44 AM
Both AVP and Prom borrowed from At the Mountains of Madness, then again the premise is fairly archetypal; peeps find ancient tomb/pyramid they shouldn't have, shit goes down, etc.

As far as canon is concerned, well, there's contradictory media here and there, yes, Bill Paxton also appears as two separate characters in Aliens and Predator 2 lmao, but I go by the WY manual.  8)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 14, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 14, 2020, 06:14:44 AM
Both AVP and Prom borrowed from At the Mountains of Madness,


Given that both Weyland were part of the expedition. Both were dying, and their impending deaths are key part behind their motivations (Charles wanted historical immortality, and Peter biological immortality), I'd say Prom borrowed from AVP and the last from At the Mountains of Madness   :laugh:

But yeah, is as archetypal as Hero's journey (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey) :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/x5QymK5/fa1c01aa-8aa8-4329-9833-c59b345148d7.gif)

Thanks Tutankhamun!
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Post by: irn on Dec 14, 2020, 11:30:57 AM
They might play it safe by not directly acknowledging or dismissing the prequels. At first at least.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 14, 2020, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 14, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 14, 2020, 06:14:44 AM
Both AVP and Prom borrowed from At the Mountains of Madness,


Given that both Weyland were part of the expedition. Both were dying, and their impending deaths are key part behind their motivations (Charles wanted historical immortality, and Peter biological immortality), I'd say Prom borrowed from AVP and the last from At the Mountains of Madness   :laugh:

But yeah, is as archetypal as Hero's journey (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey) :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/x5QymK5/fa1c01aa-8aa8-4329-9833-c59b345148d7.gif)

Thanks Tutankhamun!

It's been so long since I've seen AVP 🤣, but yeah the dying patriarch clamouring for more life in itself is not a bad idea and has been explored in many a story, it's everything else in AVP...😂
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 14, 2020, 04:39:00 PM
I can see this series in some remote location, communication cut off from the rest of the world. A self contained event not on the books. Sort of like AvP or AvPR to a degree, but hopefully better? Hopefully much better?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kane's other son on Dec 14, 2020, 06:15:20 PM
If you haven't watched the Terror, please do. If Noah Hawley's Alien is as good as that, it will be the best Alien material since 1986.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 14, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
That's one of my favorite tv series then season 2 come along and ruin it
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 08:05:39 PM
It was good... for like four episodes. Rest was bullshit IMO.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 14, 2020, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 14, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
That's one of my favorite tv series then season 2 come along and ruin it

Couldn't have said it better 😎
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 15, 2020, 12:55:59 AM
Like it didnt need season 2 it was a perfuct self contain story like if you need to do a season 2 have it set in modern times and with a group of reaschers and some of them are bot doing mentally well when the monster attacks they finally snap beside worrying about they now have to worry about madmen.One of the thing I hate about the terror season 2 is that it dosnt have the monster from season 1 why call it the terror then.I don't rember if the monster died at the end of season 1 it's been a while since I watches it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 03:25:49 AM
Y ON JEEBUS NAME YOU SET ON EARTH
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: CainsSon on Dec 15, 2020, 03:36:04 AM
Set on earth - not too far after A3 - and with Engineers trying to use aliens to wipe out humans... could be a good show.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 03:41:45 AM
Maybe then. 


I just know that AvP and AvPR about killed any desire I had of having a movie set on earth even if at one time I considered and Alien Invasion movie a must. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2020, 03:44:10 AM
Just caught this and figured it was worth dropping in this thread. Steve Asbell is head of 20th Century Studios. I follow him on Twitter, and his current profile pic on there shows him "wearing" a Facehugger.

This comment on a recent post stuck out to me:

https://twitter.com/steveasbell/status/1338237443330306050

This Tweet is vague and non-committal, but it also isn't outright brushing off any of the films, either. I did some more digging and found this thread, where he is talking with Scott Wampler (Wampler used to write for Birth.Movies.Death. before they shut down, and they did a really great magazine about all three Ridley Scott films when Alien: Covenant released). These two Tweets are pretty cool, showing him visiting the sets of both prequel films:

https://twitter.com/steveasbell/status/1254408547531657217
https://twitter.com/steveasbell/status/1254409722268053504

And the discussion happening in the thread about the prequels is positive. Maybe there is a chance we might see some prequel concepts in here... ???
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 04:07:48 AM
I actually found Covenant to be an ok film.  I'd rate it slightly higher than Res.


But if they ignored both prequels completely I wouldnt give AF.  Or Alien Res. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 05:16:27 AM
Earth pre-Alien: Resurrection just doesn't sound right to me when it comes to a canon-bound movie or series for that matter. Just ruins it for me.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 15, 2020, 06:54:41 AM
What if it's basically The Thing but Alien, some isolated lab.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 15, 2020, 08:00:07 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 15, 2020, 06:54:41 AM
What if it's basically The Thing but Alien, some isolated lab.

Lame.


Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 04:07:48 AM
I actually found Covenant to be an ok film.  I'd rate it slightly higher than Res.


But if they ignored both prequels completely I wouldnt give AF.  Or Alien Res. 


Ayyy Kimbo's back
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: MudButt on Dec 15, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
Second post in a long time..

I am happy we're getting something new in the Alien universe. FX is one of the few channels I'd want to work on an Alien series if we couldn't get HBO. I love what Hawley has done with Fargo. I didn't see the newest season but the first 3 were great. Legion I enjoyed at the start but it got a bit wild towards the end and I fell off. I hope he isn't going for what and goes for a horror vibe for this show. Legion definitely had some great horror scenes.

The setting is questionable but I'll save all judgment until I see the pilot. I'm excited for the cast they put together as well. FX is so great with casting. Would love to see some of Noah Hawley's previous actors like Dan Stevens, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, or Bokeem Woodbine..
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 15, 2020, 08:31:07 AM
Quote from: MudButt on Dec 15, 2020, 08:05:12 AM
Would love to see some of Noah Hawley's previous actors like Dan Stevens, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, or Bokeem Woodbine..

I could handle some MEW in my Alien.
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 15, 2020, 09:32:27 AM
Muh mew.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 15, 2020, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 15, 2020, 03:36:04 AM
Set on earth - not too far after A3 - and with Engineers trying to use aliens to wipe out humans... could be a good show.

This is exactly the kind of thing I hope they don't do.

The show needs to be small-scale and horrific, not silly "epic" Marvel action with Aliens in it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Prez on Dec 15, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 15, 2020, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 15, 2020, 03:36:04 AM
Set on earth - not too far after A3 - and with Engineers trying to use aliens to wipe out humans... could be a good show.

This is exactly the kind of thing I hope they don't do.

The show needs to be small-scale and horrific, not silly "epic" Marvel action with Aliens in it.

Hawley has been very good on Fargo in doing just that - making small scale stories that really are intriguing filled with fascinating characters you get very heavily vested in. I honestly hope he can pull off similar with this new show.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 15, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
I enjoyed Fargo Season One, mostly for its quirky characters,
but tuned out early in Season Two. But in Season One, there was a lot of character individuality, even in the smaller roles, that I hope translates here.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 15, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
Ripley whole thing was trying to stop the xenomorphs getting on earth if you got xenomorphs on earth either go big or go home otherwise Ripley whole charcthar arc is kinda useless
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 15, 2020, 02:59:51 PM
Well Hawley already adapted Chris Claremont's "Legion" to tv perhaps Claremont's "AVP: Deadliest of the Species" is next  :laugh:
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 15, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! Why would you even tempt?!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Xiggz456 on Dec 15, 2020, 03:06:19 PM
 :laugh: Apologies for unleashing my inner troll  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 15, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
Hey hicks random question why alien vs predator the hunt begins stop getting made was it do to them not renewing the licences or they just wasn't making enough money just wanting to know
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 05:16:27 AM
Earth pre-Alien: Resurrection just doesn't sound right to me when it comes to a canon-bound movie or series for that matter. Just ruins it for me.

This is just my guess because when I was trolling earlier in the year (or last year can't remember) about the franchise I had movies in mind, but I really doubt a series with as many inconsistencies as the Alien one, I really don't think a powerhouse like Disney is going to hold itself to what the franchise did before they acquired it.   This isn't the MCU with stories and ideas laid out a six or seven years in advance, this is an adhoc band of films calling itself a series whose overall storytelling has been told since 1979 with no singular narrative in place. 

Something in the franchise is going to get smashed.


Sidenote to random guy: I don't think they will do an Alien invasion story in the first season, that would be tom foolery, but my counter argument to Ripley being the last guardian of earth is that if you have the Alien monsters continually beaten down without fear of their capabilities, they just become a giant space roach.  They have to have some W's to be scary.  I mean how many more times does anybody want to see them blown out of the airlock?

If I had to guess as to how the series would be formulated it would be corporate intrigue on locating the Alien (or jockey) before it reaches earth, with maybe attempted government oversight to try and stop all parties. 


Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 15, 2020, 08:00:07 AM



Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 04:07:48 AM
I actually found Covenant to be an ok film.  I'd rate it slightly higher than Res.


But if they ignored both prequels completely I wouldnt give AF.  Or Alien Res. 




Ayyy Kimbo's back

what it do baby
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 15, 2020, 06:37:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2020, 03:44:10 AM
Just caught this and figured it was worth dropping in this thread. Steve Asbell is head of 20th Century Studios. I follow him on Twitter, and his current profile pic on there shows him "wearing" a Facehugger.

This comment on a recent post stuck out to me:

https://twitter.com/steveasbell/status/1338237443330306050

This Tweet is vague and non-committal, but it also isn't outright brushing off any of the films, either. I did some more digging and found this thread, where he is talking with Scott Wampler (Wampler used to write for Birth.Movies.Death. before they shut down, and they did a really great magazine about all three Ridley Scott films when Alien: Covenant released). These two Tweets are pretty cool, showing him visiting the sets of both prequel films:

https://twitter.com/steveasbell/status/1254408547531657217
https://twitter.com/steveasbell/status/1254409722268053504

And the discussion happening in the thread about the prequels is positive. Maybe there is a chance we might see some prequel concepts in here... ???
Asbell being head of 20th Century Studios does comfort me a little. He's been working with Scott for a while which makes me a bit more hopeful about getting something prequel related again. Either way I doubt he'd be interested in retconning the prequels with the new show... which is already pretty unlikely with Scott involved, so I really have no idea what to expect here lol.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 15, 2020, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 15, 2020, 02:59:51 PM
Well Hawley already adapted Chris Claremont's "Legion" to tv perhaps Claremont's "AVP: Deadliest of the Species" is next  :laugh:

That's connection nobody saw coming
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 08:03:34 PM
Scott's success with random android show probably means that they will keep the prequel movies in play.  That said, I bet fox forces them to play in the post Aliens/Alien 3 timeline. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 15, 2020, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Dec 15, 2020, 02:59:51 PM
Well Hawley already adapted Chris Claremont's "Legion" to tv perhaps Claremont's "AVP: Deadliest of the Species" is next  :laugh:

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o84sw9CmwYpAnRRni/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 08:03:34 PM
Scott's success with random android show probably means that they will keep the prequel movies in play.  That said, I bet fox forces them to play in the post Aliens/Alien 3 timeline.

This.

They're not going to flush Scott's work down the toilet for a Hulu show, especially since Scott's involvement in the Prometheus/Covenant spiritual twin of a show - Raised by Wolves - was such a big hit.

I'm pretty sure that they will wedge this tv series into a timeline that takes place either during Ripley's 57 year power nap, or closely after the events in A3. I'm banking on the latter.

The tv show could work as the explanation to why there were no more recorded encounters with the Xenomorph, or even a trace of the creature, until the events leading up to A:R.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 15, 2020, 09:36:23 PM
I think you're mostly right, except for them giving a f**k about continuity with rez.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
Resurrection as this dangling future thread is something worth retaining, imo, if only because it puts an expiration date on Weyland-Yutani.

The story of Resurrection itself is contained enough that it never has to be mentioned in any other story, but I do like the idea that WY does eventually collapse in on itself.
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 15, 2020, 09:36:23 PM
I think you're mostly right, except for them giving a f**k about continuity with rez.

Yeah, true. A:R is probably the first Alien movie to be retconned out of existence as it doesn't really have a fan base and the amount of material based on the A:R era is minimal.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
Resurrection as this dangling future thread is something worth retaining, imo, if only because it puts an expiration date on Weyland-Yutani.

The story of Resurrection itself is contained enough that it never has to be mentioned in any other story, but I do like the idea that WY does eventually collapse in on itself.

Unfortunately I doubt that the studio and execs care about that. Unless Scott manage to acknowledge or even tie the prequels to A:R I'd say that A:R is in a pretty sh*tty position if push comes to shove.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 10:02:07 PM
The Big Deletion!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 15, 2020, 10:52:25 PM
Here's a work around on the 'Set on Earth' idea, Story of Weyland Yutani Earth bound team trying to find the Covenant after Advent message and or cryosleeping colonists wake up mid David Xeno making party, video messaging Earth for help...leads to 3rd prequel movie
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 15, 2020, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 15, 2020, 09:43:29 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 15, 2020, 09:36:23 PM
I think you're mostly right, except for them giving a f**k about continuity with rez.

Yeah, true. A:R is probably the first Alien movie to be retconned out of existence as it doesn't really have a fan base and the amount of material based on the A:R era is minimal.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 15, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
Resurrection as this dangling future thread is something worth retaining, imo, if only because it puts an expiration date on Weyland-Yutani.

The story of Resurrection itself is contained enough that it never has to be mentioned in any other story, but I do like the idea that WY does eventually collapse in on itself.

Unfortunately I doubt that the studio and execs care about that. Unless Scott manage to acknowledge or even tie the prequels to A:R I'd say that A:R is in a pretty sh*tty position if push comes to shove.

I'm as big a fan of rez as you're likely to find, I genuinely enjoy it and have probably watched it more than any other entry in the franchise.

I still wouldn't shed a single tear over it being directly contradicted by new media.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: T Dog on Dec 15, 2020, 11:14:16 PM
Sorry if this has already been answered but is the show going to be canonical to the movies?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Stitch on Dec 15, 2020, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Dec 15, 2020, 11:14:16 PM
Sorry if this has already been answered but is the show going to be canonical to the movies?
Don't know yet
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: CainsSon on Dec 15, 2020, 11:37:50 PM
Quote from: Prez on Dec 15, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 15, 2020, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Dec 15, 2020, 03:36:04 AM
Set on earth - not too far after A3 - and with Engineers trying to use aliens to wipe out humans... could be a good show.

This is exactly the kind of thing I hope they don't do.

The show needs to be small-scale and horrific, not silly "epic" Marvel action with Aliens in it.

Hawley has been very good on Fargo in doing just that - making small scale stories that really are intriguing filled with fascinating characters you get very heavily vested in. I honestly hope he can pull off similar with this new show.

I think no matter what Hawley and FOX will keep it claustrophobic and contained somehow. An alien series won't have the budget for anything epic and grand. At least not in the setting. The premise doesn't demand anything large scale, though I could see why you would visualize it that way. The threat just needs to loom.

If they DID do something large scale and on earth, I'd want something like the GENOCIDE story.



Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 15, 2020, 08:03:34 PM
Scott's success with random android show probably means that they will keep the prequel movies in play.  That said, I bet fox forces them to play in the post Aliens/Alien 3 timeline.

I agree about the timeline. The story will most likely be happening in tandem with the Aliens/Alien 3 timeline or right after. I also think season-long, loosely related story-arcs are the most obvious way forward, and the best way to tie up all loose-ends in the series.
Actually, I can say one thing I'm sure Disney WON'T do is delete stuff from the canon. I would fully expect if A:R or anything else is ousted it's because it's so far away from the timeline of the show or away from the plot it's just not relevent. I wouldn't be surprised to see things heads in those directions, for instance, suggesting cloning and stuff in later seasons.... but only if it got that far and is very sucessful. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Ripley season either.

As it is now, we will likely see the Company, the aliens, and Colonial Marines but there is a lot that can be done. Engineers could have a season, David, LV223, LV426, Planet 4, mining colonies, Newt's tale, Amanda Ripley, android stuff, Ripley, cloning, bioweapons. There is really a lot to work with before they - HOPEFULLY never - bring in the Predators.

Fuuuhhck. A season set on Gateway station would check every box for me!
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:16:12 AM
Still crossing my fingers and hoping that whatever role a "company" plays pulling the strings here, I hope it actually isn't Weyland-Yutani. There's room to explore other organizations here, with potentially different (but no less sinister) corporate goals.

I don't want to see EU stories ever get adapted, but Alex White's The Cold Forge did something like this really well with Seegson pulling the real strings, and their upcoming book Into Charybdis seems to be doing it again with a new company named McAllen Integrations.

On a similar note, I also wouldn't mind departing from the standard, capital-A Alien in this (though I doubt they'll do that - gotta have that iconic imagery!). Prometheus and Covenant (and, to some degree, even Resurrection) opened up a whole can of worms that can be explored, especially when you introduce the idea that other beings are tampering with the Alien (or the raw Engineer materials that make up the Alien). Something a bit less "perfect organism," a bit more explicitly sexualized with less of the "purity" of the original design, a la some of David's experiments that are on display in his art around his lab.
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 16, 2020, 12:37:02 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:16:12 AM
Still crossing my fingers and hoping that whatever role a "company" plays pulling the strings here, I hope it actually isn't Weyland-Yutani. There's room to explore other organizations here, with potentially different (but no less sinister) corporate goals.

I don't want to see EU stories ever get adapted, but Alex White's The Cold Forge did something like this really well with Seegson pulling the real strings, and their upcoming book Into Charybdis seems to be doing it again with a new company named McAllen Integrations.

Yup, it would be extremely refreshing if they choose not to use W-Y this time around. It would be awesome to see a bunch of other companies competing to fill the power vacuum of W-Y (assuming they went down), with them trying to steal their secrets via industrial espionage and whatnot.

I too would love to see if this series decide to be more like a corporate/company corruption thriller mixed with the drudge and misery of asteroid miners, colonists and space truckers, militants/terrorists rather than delving into epic ancient aliens profane existential stuff with god-like AIs and androids suffering from different levels of existential psychosis. Something akin to Alien: Isolation minus Ellen Ripley. It would be awesome to see the world seen in ALIEN/ALIENS/A3 more fleshed out, especially the corporate hierarchies, power and influence, the off-world military industrial complex as well as how government bodies operate in this setting, everything seen and hinted at - indirectly explained - by the characters of course. I think most people would be ok with the first three, four or five episodes having no Xenomorphs in them (except for maybe a grainy photo of eggs, or a bad copy of Ripley's chest scan - something like that).
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:43:10 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 16, 2020, 12:37:02 AM
It would be awesome to see a bunch of other companies competing to fill the power vacuum of W-Y (assuming they went down)

Very much this. If there is anything to keep intact from Alien: Resurrection, whether the movie sticks around in canon or not, I'd say it is the idea that, eventually, Weyland-Yutani eventually goes under. Resurrection is so far off in the future that it really doesn't affect the other stories in any way (though the melding of Alien DNA and human DNA does accidentally feel weirdly in line with the way the Pathogen is presented in the prequels), but if there's anything of note that works and should have an impact on future stories, it is WY's collapse.
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 16, 2020, 12:47:21 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:43:10 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 16, 2020, 12:37:02 AM
It would be awesome to see a bunch of other companies competing to fill the power vacuum of W-Y (assuming they went down)

Very much this. If there is anything to keep intact from Alien: Resurrection, whether the movie sticks around in canon or not, I'd say it is the idea that, eventually, Weyland-Yutani eventually goes under. Resurrection is so far off in the future that it really doesn't affect the other stories in any way (though the melding of Alien DNA and human DNA does accidentally feel weirdly in line with the way the Pathogen is presented in the prequels), but if there's anything of note that works and should have an impact on future stories, it is WY's collapse.

Do they give us an exact date when W-Y collapsed (...and taken over by Walmart!) in the movie or in the A:R behind the scenes / source material?
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Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 16, 2020, 12:50:51 AM
I think the weyland yutani report is the best place to find out
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:54:34 AM
The theatrical version doesn't put a specific date on it (nor does it mention Wal-Mart). The Wal-Mart reference comes only in the Special Edition, and in that expanded version of the scene Dr. Wren says "They went under decades ago, Gediman, way before your time." Lots of wiggle room there, I'd say (especially in the theatrical version of the scene, which I personally lean more towards if only because I find the theatrical cut of the film to be stronger than the SE).
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 16, 2020, 03:51:59 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:54:34 AM
The theatrical version doesn't put a specific date on it (nor does it mention Wal-Mart). The Wal-Mart reference comes only in the Special Edition, and in that expanded version of the scene Dr. Wren says "They went under decades ago, Gediman, way before your time." Lots of wiggle room there, I'd say (especially in the theatrical version of the scene, which I personally lean more towards if only because I find the theatrical cut of the film to be stronger than the SE).

Well, there we go!  8)
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 15, 2020, 05:01:14 PM
Hey hicks random question why alien vs predator the hunt begins stop getting made was it do to them not renewing the licences or they just wasn't making enough money just wanting to know

Disney just didn't renew the license with them. Don't know any more specific than that.


Quote from: Stitch on Dec 15, 2020, 11:20:54 PM
Quote from: T Dog on Dec 15, 2020, 11:14:16 PM
Sorry if this has already been answered but is the show going to be canonical to the movies?
Don't know yet

Given Ridley's involvement, I would expect it would.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 12:08:46 PM
What makes me not 100% certain about it being canonical to the other movies is when Ridley Scott said a few months ago: "Has the Alien himself, the facehugger, the chestburster, have they all run out of steam? Do you have to rethink the whole bloody thing and simply use the word franchise?"
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Post by: SiL on Dec 16, 2020, 12:11:12 PM
He's been saying that for over a decade. Still bought the f**ker back for Covenant.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
True, but maybe he means it now.  :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 16, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Given Ridley's involvement, I would expect it would.

Is his involvement even seriously confirmed?
In the presentation they said Noah would work alongside Ridley
but in the trades after the presentation most of them said Ridley was still in "talks" to produce the show.
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Post by: SiL on Dec 16, 2020, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
True, but maybe he means it now.  :D
Ridley is very sure of what he wants.

But he's flexible with what he wants ;D

I've maintained since Prometheus' announcement that expecting a filmmaker to still have the same interests and sensibilities 40 years after a particular work is at best wishful thinking, and that getting Scott back had no more value to the franchise than getting any other good director. But here we are, with filmmakers still pinning their hopes that someone whose mid-30s self was really interested in just scaring people (despite the fact their 80s-year-old-self is really interested in existential musings) will be able to capture the same magic they did in their youth.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
Yeah, I definitely agree that Ridley circa 2010s is a very different filmmaker than Ridley circa 1970s. And that is one of the primary reasons that I actually want to see him finish his prequel narrative, while also see the franchise continue to open the doors to new, interesting voices.

Ridley Scott (1970s), James Cameron, David Fincher, Jean-Pierre Jeunet, and Ridley Scott (2010s) are all very different filmmakers, stylistically and philosophically.

That's one of the big appeals of the entire franchise. When I was younger I was a bit different in my mentality, but these days I'm much more interested in the individual ideas and concepts of the filmmakers than I am in strict continuity.

And on that note, Ridley's prequel vision is one that I find interesting and would like to see through to its conclusion. Hawley's take is one that I hope to also be interested in, as I do like what I've seen of his work (even though the Earth setting fills me with many reservations). I also maintain that the franchise is way too long overdue to bring in a female voice in behind the camera.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 16, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Given Ridley's involvement, I would expect it would.

Is his involvement even seriously confirmed?
In the presentation they said Noah would work alongside Ridley
but in the trades after the presentation most of them said Ridley was still in "talks" to produce the show.

To our understanding, yes, Ridley is 100% signed on. The show didn't actually start active development until after that.
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Post by: skhellter on Dec 16, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
Cool. Thanks for the info.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 16, 2020, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 12:15:23 PM
True, but maybe he means it now.  :D
Ridley is very sure of what he wants.

But he's flexible with what he wants ;D

I've maintained since Prometheus' announcement that expecting a filmmaker to still have the same interests and sensibilities 40 years after a particular work is at best wishful thinking, and that getting Scott back had no more value to the franchise than getting any other good director. But here we are, with filmmakers still pinning their hopes that someone whose mid-30s self was really interested in just scaring people (despite the fact their 80s-year-old-self is really interested in existential musings) will be able to capture the same magic they did in their youth.

I always personally interpreted his intentions as legacy building. What fuels the desire to become the George Lucas to the franchise? To raise Alien to the level of Star Wars or Star Trek? When you can feel your mortality, how will your work live on? In 50 years? 100 years? At some point all movies will fade in the large public consciousness unless it is reinvigorated with new content. Sucessful franchises are imortality.

It's funny. I was able to pick the brain of a half dozen young adults around 19 years old recently and none of them saw an Alien movie and only one saw the original Predator film once. None were very familiar with these "old movies" (their words not mine) but they were all familiar with the monsters thanks to the Isolation and Hunting Grounds video game.  :)
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 01:38:25 PM
Franchise longevity, in my opinion, isn't really worth it if the series refuses to innovate. I'd much rather have something finite and interesting than something that runs into the ground, spinning its wheels and doing the same thing over and over. Or, alternatively, something long-running that isn't afraid to take risks and do something new, when the potential is there (and Alien is a series that I feel does offer that potential).

Which brings me back to my above point, and how much I love that the Alien movies keep reinventing themselves. That's the appeal for me. And Ridley Scott, with his modern-day exploration of legacy and creation through the lens of the Alien franchise, has really hammered that home while opening up so many various paths that future filmmakers can explore if they so choose to.

I do absolutely love Alien: Isolation, and find it to the best Alien video game experience by far, but I don't think that I would want to see something akin to it on the screen, since it is already so similar to Alien, which has obviously already been done on screen perfectly.
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Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 16, 2020, 02:57:25 PM
Hey hicks do they still sell avp let the hunt begin at their website I heard they do but when I clicked on it said it not secured and I didn't want my phone yo get a virus or something
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 03:45:41 PM
They won't. You have to find on the secondary market now.
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Post by: son_of_kane on Dec 16, 2020, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
I also maintain that the franchise is way too long overdue to bring in a female voice in behind the camera.

Kathryn Bigelow directing Sigourney Weaver in an Alien movie during the 1990s (with a good script) may have resulted in a film on par with the first two.
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Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 16, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
Yeah I look on Amazon and just found some stalkers and some overpriced predator hell hounds I heard some war game company sells files of their minis so you can 3d print them just me hopefully thinking because I really want some of those minis
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 16, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
You can get STL files to print, but they're original designs, not the Prodos ones.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Dec 16, 2020, 08:13:48 PM
Hey hicks another question den beauvis one of the artist of nightmare asylum did he just did the cover art for it or did he also do the interior art as well because on the wiki it said another artist also work on nightmare asylum
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 16, 2020, 10:18:58 PM
Dude, just register
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Post by: MudButt on Dec 17, 2020, 01:41:15 AM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Dec 16, 2020, 04:50:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 12:52:01 PM
I also maintain that the franchise is way too long overdue to bring in a female voice in behind the camera.

Kathryn Bigelow directing Sigourney Weaver in an Alien movie during the 1990s (with a good script) may have resulted in a film on par with the first two.

Since the show is episodic it gives them a chance to bring in a female voice to direct and hopefully write some of this show. FX has worked with great female directors like Amy Seimetz (Atlanta, and starred  in Covenant). Noah Hawley has also worked with a few female directors on Legion and Fargo. I agree NA, this franchise could use a female director/writer behind it. I hope they bring in diverse talent behind and in front of the camera.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 03:59:26 AM
I hope the characters are interesting enough to build an audience beyond the fandom, so that we have more seasons. The TV series format gives you more time to explore their inner conflicts, and in so a proper character arc where you can understand them in deep.

Noah did a splendid job with the Legion characters. Well, he literally turned a Marvel superhero story into a trippy A Clockwork Orange, so :laugh:

I would like an anthology. But the quality of the show must be good so that people want to see more, despite not continuing with the same characters. I am also in favor of the diversity when it comes to directors, casting and progressive themes as well.
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Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 17, 2020, 05:11:38 AM
So the tv show will happen after all. Looks like the pandemic created a new model for viewing entertainment, which is home tv series. Mandalorian did its thing and now the bandwagon is ready to be jumped at. Im not very thrilled about it. yes, we will get more alien, but Alien reduced from theatrical features to tv show on an app? Sure, Mandalorian is good but I would prefer "Fett" theatrical feature still, as it was originally intended
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 05:38:07 AM
The Haunting of Hill House is better than many of the theatrical movies of the same genre. I understand the sentiment, but times have changed and what decades ago was something cheap in comparison to theatrical movies, today it can be equal good if not better.

As long as it's well written and executed, it can work wonders.
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Post by: Crazy Rich on Dec 17, 2020, 10:22:03 AM
I'm leaning more towards caution as far how I view this news. I'd like it to succeed however with a near-future on earth setting, as well as Ridley Scott being involved as I really don't care for the prequels I have lots of doubt and concern, for now though we'll just have to wait and see how this develops really.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 10:57:24 AM
Look what the cat dragged in.  :P
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 17, 2020, 11:44:59 AM
Lmao
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Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 17, 2020, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 17, 2020, 05:38:07 AM
The Haunting of Hill House is better than many of the theatrical movies of the same genre. I understand the sentiment, but times have changed and what decades ago was something cheap in comparison to theatrical movies, today it can be equal good if not better.

As long as it's well written and executed, it can work wonders.

Its possible. Thats why Im not completely hating the idea. And youre right, times have changed and the popular format and model has also changed, maybe I gotta be little more open minded. Well, we'll see. I do enjoy Mandalorian aside from the awful generic TV score so Alien might be just as good
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 17, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
I actually find The Mandalorian to have a really interesting, unique score in the TV landscape. Ludwing Goransson is doing a lot of cool things musically. I like the idea of moving away from the big, orchestral John Williams score here, since that wouldn't really embody what this show is.



But I digress, as much as I enjoy The Mandalorian, it isn't at all a model that I feel would be appropriate for an Alien series.
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Post by: Drukathi on Dec 17, 2020, 01:46:23 PM
I wish it looked like From Dusk Till Dawn or The Strain tv-shows.
The Strain may be too epic, but From Dusk Till Dawn is the perfect example of unstoppable action and horror in an isolated place.
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Post by: MudButt on Dec 17, 2020, 03:54:52 PM
If this were a network show I'd worry about the production. FX is known for allowing their creators to essentially do what they believe is best for the show. Now this could be different since Disney is involved now but John Landgraf who runs FX has always allowed given his creators basically free reign and it's worked out quite well for him.

I think they know this show requires a budget. They're gonna put some money into this. It probably won't be on the scale of Game of Thrones or Mandalorian but if it takes off after the first season we might get some feature level sequences down the line.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 05:14:35 PM
Guessing this will be out at the end of 2021 if we're very lucky, but the smart money's probably on 2022.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 17, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Yeah, I'm definitely inclined to think 2022. 2021 seems a bit too early, unless they are much farther along in pre-production than we are being lead to believe. "We are moving quickly to bring audiences..." was the phrase used to introduce the show during the investor stream.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 17, 2020, 01:46:23 PM
I wish it looked like From Dusk Till Dawn or The Strain tv-shows.
The Strain may be too epic, but From Dusk Till Dawn is the perfect example of unstoppable action and horror in an isolated place.

As much as I adore the FDtD series, it's constantly using cartoony ass-pulls and literal magic to contain the plot. It's a poor example for an Alien series, since it's not actually isolated at all, it just feels like it is.
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Post by: Evanus on Dec 17, 2020, 07:12:50 PM
Probably a coincidence though right? Fox didn't want to do a tv show, it's probably been greenlit now because of the new ownership.
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Post by: MudButt on Dec 17, 2020, 07:38:54 PM
FX already has a pretty stacked lineup for 2021. I'd imagine this will be here mid-2022. I would be happy with it being here in 2021 though. They really want to bring as much content to Hulu on FX as fast as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if this is fast-tracked.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 07:48:01 PM
Yeah, if 2021 was a possibility at all, I was thinking something like December 2021. :)
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 17, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
Even that seems like it'd be rushed, unless the entire series is a "bottle movie".
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
True, unless they're further along than we think. Also I guess it's how they roll out the episodes too. Most episodic television used to premiere before the season was finished filming. This was of course the time of a greater number of episodes and before the days of dropping a whole season on streaming to binge. I think The Walking Dead still did that though? Premiered before completion of filming? I'd probably have to double check that to be certain, and TWD had these long mid-season breaks too. And man, I miss the days of the 2-hour pilot premiere "movie" though!
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Post by: MudButt on Dec 17, 2020, 10:05:25 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
True, unless they're further along than we think. Also I guess it's how they roll out the episodes too. Most episodic television used to premiere before the season was finished filming. This was of course the time of a greater number of episodes and before the days of dropping a whole season on streaming to binge. I think The Walking Dead still did that though? Premiered before completion of filming? I'd probably have to double check that to be certain, and TWD had these long mid-season breaks too. And man, I miss the days of the 2-hour pilot premiere "movie" though!

The Walking Dead definitely beings airing while they are filming the same season. Walking Dead has 16 episode seasons though. I don't see this having more than 10 episodes. I would guess it's going to be 8. That way you don't need to spread the budget so thin.

Also, not sure if anyone is aware but it looks like Hawley had pitched this show back in early 2019. The person in charge at the time shut it down, but then the Disney/Fox merger happened. Disney probably knew that they had to do something with Predator/Alien because that's big IP. I wouldn't be shocked if Hawley has most of the scripts done, seems like he's had the idea for quite some time now.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/noah-hawley-alien-tv-pitch-legion
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Post by: Drukathi on Dec 17, 2020, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
I think The Walking Dead still did that though? Premiered before completion of filming?

Not the best example. You can film half of The Walking Dead season during your lunch break. You don't need decorations, makeup or even... well, a script.
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Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Dec 17, 2020, 11:46:12 PM
There is a chance, and I hope this is the case too TBH, that this show is simply in its own canon and a separate beast from all the movies.

Hawley's Legion has basically no connection to the X-Men films and it worked very well.

Adhering to canon has its pros and cons and I don't think a movie or show should ever be rejected simply because it doesn't "fit" into what someone perceives as "canon."

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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 18, 2020, 01:21:30 AM
That's why I think the earth setting is just the set up before dropping the aliens in somewhere else, at least I hope so. 🤣
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 18, 2020, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 17, 2020, 07:12:50 PM
Probably a coincidence though right? Fox didn't want to do a tv show, it's probably been greenlit now because of the new ownership.

Emma Watts didn't want it none-theatrical. It was good odds once she left.
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Post by: TC on Dec 18, 2020, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 08:02:06 PM
True, unless they're further along than we think. Also I guess it's how they roll out the episodes too. Most episodic television used to premiere before the season was finished filming. This was of course the time of a greater number of episodes and before the days of dropping a whole season on streaming to binge. I think The Walking Dead still did that though? Premiered before completion of filming? I'd probably have to double check that to be certain, and TWD had these long mid-season breaks too. And man, I miss the days of the 2-hour pilot premiere "movie" though!

There's a YouTube interview with Hawley in which he says unlike most TV show runners he has all the outlines for an entire season written in advance of shooting. (But then he does work in short 10 episode seasons for streaming, not network broadcast). And then the outlines go into the writers' room for breaking.

If you're interested, it might be this one. (It's quite long; Sorry, I didn't take the time to check.)

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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 18, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
Thanks TC.  :)  I'll give this a listen on my long commute home.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 16, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Given Ridley's involvement, I would expect it would.

Is his involvement even seriously confirmed?
In the presentation they said Noah would work alongside Ridley
but in the trades after the presentation most of them said Ridley was still in "talks" to produce the show.

To our understanding, yes, Ridley is 100% signed on. The show didn't actually start active development until after that.

I retract this. It's still talks.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2020, 01:18:07 PM
(https://j.gifs.com/KRVqpk.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2020, 01:40:02 PM
Nah, was just some miscommunication.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 19, 2020, 01:42:23 PM
Somebody wake up Hicks.  :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
It's fair to say at this point that Ridley Scott will likely not have any creative involvement with the series, not like an executive producer would normally have anyway. But its good business to get his name attached to the series. It's a good credential to have from financing to audiences.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 19, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
I would actually be happier if he wasn't involved.


He's a madman who changes his thoughts and feelings about the franchise at a whim.


Alien is my favorite, but ALL of the rest of the movies he has been involved with have been OK at best. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2020, 04:33:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 16, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Given Ridley's involvement, I would expect it would.

Is his involvement even seriously confirmed?
In the presentation they said Noah would work alongside Ridley
but in the trades after the presentation most of them said Ridley was still in "talks" to produce the show.

To our understanding, yes, Ridley is 100% signed on. The show didn't actually start active development until after that.

I retract this. It's still talks.

Sooooooo I guess they really jumped the gun at the investor stream by explicitly stating that Noah Hawley is "working alongside Sir Ridley Scott."  That's... kind of a really shitty way to handle an 'official' announcement. :-X

https://youtu.be/0u1Rh7AwAnM?t=488
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Post by: Evanus on Dec 19, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
Yikes, that's kinda shitty indeed.  But yeah, now I'm pretty convinced it won't be connected to the prequels in any way.

Hopefully the third prequel is still on the cards though, in some form.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2020, 07:00:06 PM
Gotta make it sound appealing for the INVESTORS!

Hoping that Ridley gets to make his third film alongside Hawley doing this. They don't even have to be compatible, honestly. I'm fine with different takes.

But come on, Disney. Don't flat out lie at your conference about the status of this thing...
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 19, 2020, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
I retract this. It's still talks.
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 19, 2020, 10:28:04 PM
The more the prequel story is ignored
The more it will grow
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2020, 10:45:42 PM
With a story occurring in the near future, I think they would have to ignore at least Covenant right?
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2020, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2020, 10:45:42 PM
With a story occurring in the near future, I think they would have to ignore at least Covenant right?
Christ I hope so.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2020, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2020, 10:45:42 PM
With a story occurring in the near future, I think they would have to ignore at least Covenant right?

Christ I hope so.

How would you react if an Alien shows up before David "creates" them?
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2020, 11:10:37 PM
Positively.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2020, 11:12:25 PM
Given this show's setting/timeframe, I'd say it is practically inevitable at this point that that detail from Covenant is undone.

I still stick to my guns and say, if this is the route that they do end up choosing to take, then we have to see David actually learn that he was unable to create, and what that does to him. That isn't something to just sweep under the rug and forget; it has to be his complete undoing.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2020, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2020, 11:12:25 PM
Given this show's setting/timeframe, I'd say it is practically inevitable at this point that that detail from Covenant is undone.

I still stick to my guns and say, if this is the route that they do end up choosing to take, then we have to see David actually learn that he was unable to create, and what that does to him. That isn't something to just sweep under the rug and forget; it has to be his complete undoing.
I'd be entirely okay with him still being able to create even if he doesn't realize he wasn't the first one to do it. Multiple discovery is a thing - you could still crush David's ego by showing him as not being the *first* creator while still preserving his "special-ness" that he's capable of creation at all. Crushing his ego could lead to his self destruction, though.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
What if they introduce castes?
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 19, 2020, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 11:17:36 PM
What if they introduce castes?
Well they're already canon, so it wouldn't really change anything for me. ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 19, 2020, 11:37:05 PM
It's unclear when "not too far in the future" is exactly, but I'd imagine it's before any of the films. Which doesn't make much sense to me, and not just in terms of what Covenant established. It doesn't feel right to have aliens on earth before the original film even takes place imo.
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Post by: Stompy the Perfect Xeno on Dec 19, 2020, 11:44:59 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
It's fair to say at this point that Ridley Scott will likely not have any creative involvement with the series, not like an executive producer would normally have anyway. But its good business to get his name attached to the series. It's a good credential to have from financing to audiences.

Please, may it be this way.
I finally want to see fleshed out characters and no rebellion of the machines theme.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 19, 2020, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 19, 2020, 11:37:05 PM
It's unclear when "not too far in the future" is exactly, but I'd imagine it's before any of the films. Which doesn't make much sense to me, and not just in terms of what Covenant established. It doesn't feel right to have aliens on earth before the original film even takes place imo.

Yep, I'm in agreement with every part of this post. That one one of the big turnoffs of all of the AVP shenanigans for me, too (the other big turnoff there being the VP part of AVP ;) ).
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 20, 2020, 12:38:48 AM
The main issue with AVP's its success rate.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 20, 2020, 01:24:44 AM
AvP would be fine with the right people.


It was once the best selling independent comic of all time.

It had two of the best videogames in the Alien/Predator franchise.


You just have to invest a little money into it and get somebody who is competent writing/directing to work on it.

Then don't try to tie it in with the rest of the franchise, just let it be on its own and be its own thing. 
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Post by: Crazy Rich on Dec 20, 2020, 01:49:20 AM
And don't be like The Predator either.

Looking at you kid with autism plot convenience syndrome.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TC on Dec 20, 2020, 02:37:53 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 19, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
It's fair to say at this point that Ridley Scott will likely not have any creative involvement with the series, not like an executive producer would normally have anyway. But its good business to get his name attached to the series. It's a good credential to have from financing to audiences.

My understanding is that the exec producers credit that Joel and Ethan Coen get for the Fargo series is for doing basically nothing. For the pilot they suggested changes to a few lines of dialogue and wrote one new scene. That's it.

Since the Fargo series was also an FX show, chances are it's the same story with Ridley Scott and Alien series. I.e. as you said, a nice marketing move to pull in the fan audience.

TC
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2020, 02:44:59 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 20, 2020, 01:24:44 AM
Then don't try to tie it in with the rest of the franchise, just let it be on its own and be its own thing.

This is the f**king way ✊ 8) Just make a good AVP movie. At this point I would think the same about Alien. Prequel, sequel, who cares! everything is in execution.

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Post by: TC on Dec 20, 2020, 03:22:42 AM
Legion might provide some insight. I don't know the show, but I understand it's an out-of-canon New Mutants story. There seems to be some debate about the degree to which it respects the original comic universe, and conversely, whether or not it has any impact on it.

Same with Fargo, really. The show is "inspired" by the movie, and doesn't reference the original characters or plot in any way. So once again, you could consider it out-of-canon.

If this is the way Hawley always goes about creating adaptations, it has obvious ramifications to Alien.

TC
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2020, 03:25:51 AM
Quote from: TC on Dec 20, 2020, 03:22:42 AM
Same with Fargo, really. The show is "inspired" by the movie, and doesn't reference the original characters or plot in any way. So once again, you could consider it out-of-canon.

Actually, the buried money from the Coens' film resurfaces in season one of the show (sorry, Kumiko).
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Post by: TC on Dec 20, 2020, 03:47:59 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum link=topic=64564.msg2499168#msg2499168
Actually, the buried money from the Coens' film resurfaces in season one of the show (sorry, Kumiko).

Oh yes. But i don't think it counts for.much.

Also, I can't see Hawley finding much creative satisfaction in taking over Scott's prequel story. There's an interview where he says he enjoys the Alien franchise and he singles out the first two, Alien and Aliens, for particular praise, just like most people. The guy is mid-50s in age, that means those two films hit him in his early formative years, hence, I would say, the reason why he's so keen to play in the sandbox. I doubt that Prometheus or Covenant would hold the same level of reverence sufficient to inspire him the same way. But of course, I'm guessing there.

Just some thoughts, while waiting for some America's Cup racing...

TC

Edit: I see that on IMdBPro there are two names listed under "writers": Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott, but I'm sure this is just a silly approximation until they get a proper crew list.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:45:38 AM
Quote from: TC on Dec 20, 2020, 03:22:42 AM
Legion might provide some insight. I don't know the show, but I understand it's an out-of-canon New Mutants story. There seems to be some debate about the degree to which it respects the original comic universe, and conversely, whether or not it has any impact on it.

Same with Fargo, really. The show is "inspired" by the movie, and doesn't reference the original characters or plot in any way. So once again, you could consider it out-of-canon.

If this is the way Hawley always goes about creating adaptations, it has obvious ramifications to Alien.

TC

I saw the series, and while I am not a great connoisseur of the comics, I don't think it has anything to do with the New Mutans.

(https://i.ibb.co/YPSrgRq/Pics-Art-12-20-02-37-41.png)

Noah's superhero TV show is an experimental take on Legion, AKA David Charles Haller; Charles Xavier's son.

(https://i.ibb.co/qgyHfgL/Pics-Art-12-20-02-39-19.png)

It's as retro dystopian as A Clockwork Orange and as psychedelic as this Pink Floyd video.

(https://i.ibb.co/G7LdjWk/1135340.jpg)

https://youtu.be/RC83q93PaqA
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 20, 2020, 05:50:15 AM
David Haller appeared in The New Mutants originally before Legion or X-Men, but otherwise, yes true.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2020, 05:52:23 AM
Thanks for the heads up  ;D
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 20, 2020, 06:14:44 AM
Any time, primarily as the creation of Bill Sienkiewicz and Chris Claremont, worthy of note the former also actually created art for the adaptation and the other briefly directly wrote for it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 20, 2020, 06:23:53 AM
Stunning fact. I'm thoroughly enlightened today. The music was dope too.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 20, 2020, 07:51:12 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Dec 20, 2020, 01:49:20 AM
And don't be like The Predator either.

Looking at you kid with autism plot convenience syndrome.

>:(

Spoiler
:D
[close]
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 20, 2020, 07:52:18 AM
I need my mind wiped of The Predator.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 20, 2020, 08:54:50 AM
There's always possibility to hit lower
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 20, 2020, 01:46:37 PM
Aliens with high functioning autism.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Ronoc on Dec 20, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
This 'set in the near future' stuff just sounds like finding a way to have androids in a contemporary earth setting.
It better not just be another Weyland-Yutani story, or an alien origin story. I can't understand any efforts to make the Alien less 'alien' by tying it to humans.
The title of the 1979 movie meant more than just a creature. It alluded to the unknown, and the unknowable. I hope they won't be trampling all over that aspect of it again.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 20, 2020, 02:22:58 PM
Watch it take place in the 2100s and the producers explain that in context of a million years from now, it's near! ;D
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Post by: skhellter on Dec 20, 2020, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 19, 2020, 12:39:46 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 16, 2020, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 16, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Given Ridley's involvement, I would expect it would.

Is his involvement even seriously confirmed?
In the presentation they said Noah would work alongside Ridley
but in the trades after the presentation most of them said Ridley was still in "talks" to produce the show.

To our understanding, yes, Ridley is 100% signed on. The show didn't actually start active development until after that.

I retract this. It's still talks.

[Interest wanes]
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Post by: SiL on Dec 20, 2020, 08:42:37 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 20, 2020, 02:22:58 PM
Watch it take place in the 2100s and the producers explain that in context of a million years from now, it's near! ;D
That's still too early.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2020, 08:55:08 PM
Yep. It'd have to be very late 2100s or, more likely, somewhere in the 2200s or beyond, for the Earth setting to make much sense at all.

And even that already requires pretty much discounting Resurrection...
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Post by: David Weyland on Dec 20, 2020, 09:11:52 PM
I dunno I'd be stoked to have a tv series that interweaves with the prequel story personally, might be a method of exorcising some of the hate

Or the other cool thing to do would be to have completely individual stories per episode from all over the Alien timeline that connect with the films

Both achievable Earth settings
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 20, 2020, 09:17:53 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2020, 08:55:08 PM
Yep. It'd have to be very late 2100s or, more likely, somewhere in the 2200s or beyond, for the Earth setting to make much sense at all.

And even that already requires pretty much discounting Resurrection...

Thats what I mean, who knows what kind of discounting, squeezing, bending in or out if continuity or retconning will occur, but if the beast exists in the 2100s, that stretch of 100 years is not too early depending on how it's all approached. Guess we'll see...
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2020, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 20, 2020, 01:46:37 PM
Aliens with high functioning autism.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/e7a5e285a4f3e94a3da571e05bd1a207/tenor.gif)
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Post by: Crazy Rich on Dec 20, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
The more I try to make an Earth setting make sense in my head... the more it hurts.

Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 20, 2020, 01:46:37 PM
Aliens with high functioning autism.

That would require writing talent that does not yet exist.
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Post by: Master on Dec 20, 2020, 10:34:23 PM
There is already the Alien Queen next to Bovotoya. Fish her out, take to remote underwater lab, make sure  everything blows by the end of the season and all is well with canon.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2020, 10:55:57 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 20, 2020, 10:34:23 PM
There is already the Alien Queen next to Bovotoya.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9ddJyWLqbt4/hqdefault.jpg)

Is there though?
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 20, 2020, 11:10:18 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2020, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 20, 2020, 01:46:37 PM
Aliens with high functioning autism.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/e7a5e285a4f3e94a3da571e05bd1a207/tenor.gif)

🤣❤
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Master on Dec 20, 2020, 11:56:23 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 20, 2020, 10:55:57 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 20, 2020, 10:34:23 PM
There is already the Alien Queen next to Bovotoya.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9ddJyWLqbt4/hqdefault.jpg)

Is there though?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/35/48/0f35488213daf1efc6f1b2b9c5a00a24.jpg)

There is such possibility  ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: MudButt on Dec 21, 2020, 02:14:09 AM
Let's have the series be the best it can be and ignore continuity. It might fit in really great but I'd prefer a great show versus a show that doesn't retcon the films.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Crazy Rich on Dec 21, 2020, 02:18:13 AM
Well I'm open to being proven wrong about my doubts, like when I thought Alien Isolation was going to be poop because Aliens: Colonial Marines was very poop but Isolation proved me wrong by actually being pretty great.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 21, 2020, 02:57:29 AM
Quote from: MudButt on Dec 21, 2020, 02:14:09 AM
Let's have the series be the best it can be and ignore continuity. It might fit in really great but I'd prefer a great show versus a show that doesn't retcon the films.

I'm in the same boat.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 21, 2020, 04:13:28 AM
so we are using the dark horse continuity style then
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Mr.Turok on Dec 21, 2020, 07:18:36 AM
Wait, is it true that Scott dislikes the idea of a Queen? If so, wouldn't that mean he would try to use to this show to decanonize that idea?

Quote from: Master on Dec 20, 2020, 10:34:23 PM
There is already the Alien Queen next to Bovotoya. Fish her out, take to remote underwater lab, make sure  everything blows by the end of the season and all is well with canon.

Well.....that would mean acknowledging AVP, and he don't like that film.

Quote from: MudButt on Dec 21, 2020, 02:14:09 AM
Let's have the series be the best it can be and ignore continuity. It might fit in really great but I'd prefer a great show versus a show that doesn't retcon the films.

One can do both.

Honestly I just want consistency so we don't get another canon war that just goes deeper in the muck hole and the fires hotter than the ones in hell that burn satan's ass.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Crazy Rich on Dec 21, 2020, 07:43:56 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 21, 2020, 07:18:36 AM
Wait, is it true that Scott dislikes the idea of a Queen? If so, wouldn't that mean he would try to use to this show to decanonize that idea?

Well after a quick google search one source from 2017 said he's been tight lipped about the other films while a 2018 source has said he's actually praised the Queen (more concrete answers are appreciated though, as I kinda want to take what I found with a grain of salt).

But let's say for arguments sake he dislikes the idea of the Queen, he can certainly try to decanonize the idea assuming he wants to and that he's allowed to go that far.

But I feel that backlash from fans would be guaranteed and swift.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 21, 2020, 07:53:46 AM
The Advent short hinted that David was planning to use Daniels to make a queen. I take this to mean Scott was respecting the queen concept.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 21, 2020, 08:17:08 AM
The motes that form when the pathogen atomizes are tiny egg layers so the Queen is merely an extension of that.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 21, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 21, 2020, 07:18:36 AMWait, is it true that Scott dislikes the idea of a Queen? If so, wouldn't that mean he would try to use to this show to decanonize that idea?

That's assuming Disney would even let him.

He had a lot of clout with Fox but this is a different company and the reception to his last two Alien movies probably hasn't helped his cause. The Queen is a huge selling point for the franchise so I can't see Disney letting anyone do away with it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Prez on Dec 21, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 21, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 21, 2020, 07:18:36 AMWait, is it true that Scott dislikes the idea of a Queen? If so, wouldn't that mean he would try to use to this show to decanonize that idea?

That's assuming Disney would even let him.

He had a lot of clout with Fox but this is a different company and the reception to his last two Alien movies probably hasn't helped his cause. The Queen is a huge selling point for the franchise so I can't see Disney letting anyone do away with it.

Besides Queen is one step up from Princess ... and well Disney love their princess' ;-)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 21, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 21, 2020, 07:18:36 AMWait, is it true that Scott dislikes the idea of a Queen? If so, wouldn't that mean he would try to use to this show to decanonize that idea?

That's assuming Disney would even let him.

He had a lot of clout with Fox but this is a different company and the reception to his last two Alien movies probably hasn't helped his cause. The Queen is a huge selling point for the franchise so I can't see Disney letting anyone do away with it.

Plus executive producers don't usually get involved creatively, if Ridley even signs on.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 21, 2020, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 20, 2020, 08:54:50 AM
There's always possibility to hit lower

Weyland corp started out as an OnlyFans page. Weyland was an influencer.

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Post by: XenoHunter99 on Dec 21, 2020, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: Prez on Dec 21, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 21, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 21, 2020, 07:18:36 AMWait, is it true that Scott dislikes the idea of a Queen? If so, wouldn't that mean he would try to use to this show to decanonize that idea?

That's assuming Disney would even let him.

He had a lot of clout with Fox but this is a different company and the reception to his last two Alien movies probably hasn't helped his cause. The Queen is a huge selling point for the franchise so I can't see Disney letting anyone do away with it.

Besides Queen is one step up from Princess ... and well Disney love their princess' ;-)

Bwahahaha! Alien Queen as Disney Princess. That would be something. :laugh: More likely to get Ripley as a DP, though. And we're talking infinitesimally small chances, I think.
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Post by: marrerom on Dec 21, 2020, 04:45:49 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that Ridley Scott's next Alien film wouldn't be a follow up to Covenant, but instead be set farther into the future? If that is the case, then maybe this FX series will pick up where Covenant left off and give up a confrontation between David, Earth, and the Engineers. That would work really well as a limited series. 


Quote from: MudButt on Dec 21, 2020, 02:14:09 AM
Let's have the series be the best it can be and ignore continuity. It might fit in really great but I'd prefer a great show versus a show that doesn't retcon the films.

You speak as if these are mutually exclusive concepts. They aren't. In fact, the opposite (disregarding continuity) seems to have a higher correlation with poor story telling. 

Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 21, 2020, 07:53:46 AM
The Advent short hinted that David was planning to use Daniels to make a queen. I take this to mean Scott was respecting the queen concept.

This  ^
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Post by: Evanus on Dec 21, 2020, 04:56:21 PM
Ian Nathan visited the set of Covenant and apparently he was told not to mention the queen, because Ridley doesn't consider it to be a part of his vision. Probably just means that he wasn't planning on using it, doubt he'd try to stop anyone else from using it.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 21, 2020, 07:03:25 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2020, 04:45:49 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that Ridley Scott's next Alien film wouldn't be a follow up to Covenant, but instead be set farther into the future? If that is the case, then maybe this FX series will pick up where Covenant left off and give up a confrontation between David, Earth, and the Engineers. That would work really well as a limited series. 

Hmm. I would think Ridley would be attached already as a creative producer if this series was something like that though.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 21, 2020, 07:24:31 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 21, 2020, 04:56:21 PM
Ian Nathan visited the set of Covenant and apparently he was told not to mention the queen, because Ridley doesn't consider it to be a part of his vision. Probably just means that he wasn't planning on using it, doubt he'd try to stop anyone else from using it.
the Alien Queen is so iconic even among casual viewers that trying to discard it wholesale would be a real hard sell.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 21, 2020, 07:28:08 PM
Like Ridley ever cared what 'em "casual viewers" think about his creative decisions. Man is super old and just doesn't give a f**k anymore
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 21, 2020, 07:33:57 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 21, 2020, 07:28:08 PM
Like Ridley ever cared what 'em "casual viewers" think about his creative decisions. Man is super old and just doesn't give a f**k anymore
This is true, but Disney/FOX is running a business and "wipe the Queen from existence" is probably something that would get some push-back if Ridley pitched it.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 21, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Dec 21, 2020, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: Prez on Dec 21, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 21, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 21, 2020, 07:18:36 AMWait, is it true that Scott dislikes the idea of a Queen? If so, wouldn't that mean he would try to use to this show to decanonize that idea?

That's assuming Disney would even let him.

He had a lot of clout with Fox but this is a different company and the reception to his last two Alien movies probably hasn't helped his cause. The Queen is a huge selling point for the franchise so I can't see Disney letting anyone do away with it.

Besides Queen is one step up from Princess ... and well Disney love their princess' ;-)

Bwahahaha! Alien Queen as Disney Princess. That would be something. :laugh: More likely to get Ripley as a DP, though. And we're talking infinitesimally small chances, I think.

Newt is the Disney Princess.  For sure.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 21, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
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nope
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2020, 08:01:01 PM
The Queen is fantastic in design, execution, and concept. I'm also totally open to seeing an alternative Alien gestation process, if the story calls for something different.
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Post by: MudButt on Dec 21, 2020, 08:02:15 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Dec 21, 2020, 04:45:49 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that Ridley Scott's next Alien film wouldn't be a follow up to Covenant, but instead be set farther into the future? If that is the case, then maybe this FX series will pick up where Covenant left off and give up a confrontation between David, Earth, and the Engineers. That would work really well as a limited series. 


Quote from: MudButt on Dec 21, 2020, 02:14:09 AM
Let's have the series be the best it can be and ignore continuity. It might fit in really great but I'd prefer a great show versus a show that doesn't retcon the films.

You speak as if these are mutually exclusive concepts. They aren't. In fact, the opposite (disregarding continuity) seems to have a higher correlation with poor story telling. 

Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 21, 2020, 07:53:46 AM
The Advent short hinted that David was planning to use Daniels to make a queen. I take this to mean Scott was respecting the queen concept.

This  ^

You are 100% right. I think we'd all prefer a great show that doesn't destroy the canon set up already. (Even if it's been messed with already by the recent films) I am just saying if it had to come down to a show that respects the canon versus just a great Alien show.. well I am choosing the great show. It is 100% possible though for both to happen at once, and I hope it does. Perhaps the Earth setting and ''near future'' time frame will give it a chance to do its own thing without contradicting what has happened in the movies!

I am positive we all just want a great show  ;D
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 21, 2020, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2020, 08:01:01 PM
The Queen is fantastic in design, execution, and concept. I'm also totally open to seeing an alternative Alien gestation process, if the story calls for something different.
If it ain't broken, why fix it etc.

Alien has a gestation process, if they want to screw with it they probably shouldn't be telling an Alien story. I'd accept "egg morphing" only so long as it's not used as a replacement for the Queen. Egg morphing has a place and I'd love to see it used again, but full-on rebooting the Alien lifecycle isn't something I'd be a fan of.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 21, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
I want to see some eggmorphing in the next Alien movie
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 21, 2020, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2020, 08:01:01 PM
The Queen is fantastic in design, execution, and concept. I'm also totally open to seeing an alternative Alien gestation process, if the story calls for something different.
If it ain't broken, why fix it etc.

Alien has a gestation process, if they want to screw with it they probably shouldn't be telling an Alien story. I'd accept "egg morphing" only so long as it's not used as a replacement for the Queen. Egg morphing has a place and I'd love to see it used again, but full-on rebooting the Alien lifecycle isn't something I'd be a fan of.

The Alien definitely has "a" gestation process, but things like the pathogen in Prometheus/Covenant and the genetic manipulation in Resurrection do offer alternate possibilities. Ultimately, I feel like the pathogen offers a way for the series to have its cake and eat it to. That meaning, the Alien form as seen in the original film and its sequels can be David's, while the pathogen offers a near infinite number of possibilities that can take on the general shape/form of the Alien and spin it off in an array of different directions, with the pathogen also retaining the cosmic, Lovecraftian element of unknowable horror.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 21, 2020, 11:34:58 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2020, 11:17:03 PM
That meaning, the Alien form as seen in the original film and its sequels can be David's, while the pathogen offers a near infinite number of possibilities that can take on the general shape/form of the Alien and spin it off in an array of different directions, with the pathogen also retaining the cosmic, Lovecraftian element of unknowable horror.
I'd rather those were reversed.
Or better yet, David removed from the equation entirely.

If we're getting capital-A Aliens in our capital-A Alien TV show, I'd prefer if they don't go reinventing the wheel. Alien Queens lay eggs, lone Aliens egg-morph in order to ultimately produce Queens which lay eggs.
Like I said, if they're going to go screw around and change things, do it to something other than the Alien. If they want to use the pathogen idea to make crazy new monsters then that's totally fine, the prequels have done that well enough. But the moment you go screwing with the capital-A Alien and what it does and what it symbolizes is when it starts putting a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
Just thinking in a practical sense, the Alien in the original films does seem to be pretty specifically designed for humans (in a real world sense, at least, if not in-continuity). The facehugger is perfectly made to fit the general size/shape of a human head, et al, whereas the pathogen in its raw form is seemingly totally random in its design and outcome, which fits the "unknowable" nature a bit better to me.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 21, 2020, 11:57:10 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 21, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
Just thinking in a practical sense, the Alien in the original films does seem to be pretty specifically designed for humans (in a real world sense, at least, if not in-continuity). The facehugger is perfectly made to fit the general size/shape of a human head, et al, whereas the pathogen in its raw form is seemingly totally random in its design and outcome, which fits the "unknowable" nature a bit better to me.
The Alien facehugger in 'Alien' was implied to have facehugged the Space Jockey, which was decidedly non-human in design. Likewise, both Ridley Scott and James Cameron talked about the facehugger getting Jones, and 'Alien3' had it nail a dog/ox. The very idea of it taking traits from its host precludes that the facehugger can attack things other than humans.

The notion that the Alien was specifically designed for humans is a very recent retcon, and one that I feel severely devalues the Alien and its lovecraftian horror elements.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 12:01:50 AM
Oh I am very well aware of all of that. It is all absolutely, 100% a recent retcon and I would never say otherwise. It just happens to be a retcon that I find to be a fascinating thematic expansion of the material that enhances David's arc.

At the end of the day, it amplifies my viewings of Covenant, and it doesn't really enter into my mind all that much when viewing the original films. I'm able to look at each movie as a movie, on its own terms, without really worrying about canon or continuity in the grand scheme of things. As long as a film has something interest to say within its own body, I say run wild with it.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 12:05:50 AM
I can appreciate that.

I guess my thinking is that I wish they didn't enhance David's arc at the expense of the Alien creature. David messing with Black Goo, totally great, David making Neomorphs and the like, also awesome. It's when he starts messing with the Alien itself (be it physically or thematically) that it starts rubbing me the wrong way.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 22, 2020, 12:06:24 AM
Agreed completely with NA.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
I bet if you travel through H.R. Giger's backyard you just wind up in David's lab. ;)

https://youtu.be/iqZqmVxtiws

(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/65745656875647.jpg)

I guess the Alien and the David retcon doesn't bother me all that much because, at the end of the day, it's Giger's inherently sexualized beast being created by a character that is so self-obsessed and sexually depraved and has this vendetta against his creators and an obsession with creation on his own terms. That just feels a whole lot more appropriate to me than something like the original comics where the Aliens just have a natural home world where they are part of a natural ecosystem.

Anyways, I fully expect a future project (maybe even this series from Noah Hawley) to re-retcon the Alien being David's creation (or, perhaps, flat out overwrite the prequels), and I'm fully prepared for it. I hope I like whatever comes next, but at the end of the day, like Covenant, it'll just simply be another take. I'm sure I'll be able to enjoy the good things about both Covenant and whatever comes next on their own terms, even if they stand in opposition of one another.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 01:39:14 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
I guess the Alien and the David retcon doesn't bother me all that much because, at the end of the day, it's Giger's inherently sexualized beast being created by a character that is so self-obsessed and sexually depraved and has this vendetta against his creators and an obsession with creation on his own terms.

I know it might sound creepy, mostly because Giger wasn't an evil killer psychopath like David, but don't forget about their respective muses  :-X

(https://i.ibb.co/dmMKxdt/Pics-Art-12-21-10-35-36.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/QnnNVfw/Pics-Art-12-21-10-36-17.png)

Humans are manufactured Neo-Engineers. Their replicants created by unkow purposes. David on the other hand, is a robot. He was raised to be the servant of a failed Übermensch. But he becomes his own somewhat disturbing version of the Übermensch, once he is aware that his creator God is dead. He's also an artificial person as well, capable to understand and experiences human emotioms. But as a machine, David is unable to exprex his own sexuality. Alien is that.  It's the monstrous sexuality of a delusional A.l, and it's really creepy. I think you nail it.

On a side note, it is incredible how ancient the concept of artificial intelligence is, older than science fiction itself.

(https://i.ibb.co/txYxz9b/thalos.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/0r2p0ks/images-3.jpg)

Quote"Through their myths and stories, scholars wrestled with what it meant to be human and how man can push his biological limits to what he can give life to. These stories involved giving a sort of human intellect to inanimate objects and, through this, creating a machine that questions what humanistic values might differ from those of nature. Writers portrayed automaton such as the defender Talos, working through blood vessels behind a bronze robotic armor, with human qualities such as emotions and judgements. These primitive forms of artificial intelligence challenged what it meant to be human by stretching the limits of what man can create"

A History of Artificial Intelligence (https://ahistoryofai.com/antiquity/)

I think Raised by Wolves is a fever dream of the concept; mixing themes from ancient aliens machines, religion vs atheism, references to Alien and the even more classic Metropolis.

(https://i.ibb.co/Wsk2Fmb/Pics-Art-12-21-11-26-38.png)
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 02:41:13 AM
Which makes Ridley's "Greek God" Engineer aesthetic all the more interesting to me. There's a huge part of me that still longs for the biomechanical horror fused to his chair of the original Alien, but I can't help but also find the humanoid Engineer that passed fire in the form of creation down to us a very interesting take on the Space Jockey mythos as well.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 03:41:07 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys.

I am almost certain they will. Either as the Engineers' creators, or as something that flat out casts the prequels aside.

Spoiler
Or maybe David is fused to the chair.

(https://44.media.tumblr.com/68cdff2ebf2f2b425512d3148ff85e48/tumblr_p5jn3pmCq11vigpn1o7_500.gif)
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Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:43:48 AM
I always thought it could work the other way.


The jockeys created the engineers and the engineers tried to follow the jockeys designs etc.


Could explain the size difference. 

I'm really not against the engineers except as a replacement of the jockeys. 
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 04:16:04 AM
I can absolutely see something along those lines being done, if someone down the line decides that they want to keep the Engineers and do a more "traditional" Space Jockey. And I don't think I would be opposed to that.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 22, 2020, 06:18:22 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 12:29:30 AM
I bet if you travel through H.R. Giger's backyard you just wind up in David's lab. ;)

https://youtu.be/iqZqmVxtiws

(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/65745656875647.jpg)

I guess the Alien and the David retcon doesn't bother me all that much because, at the end of the day, it's Giger's inherently sexualized beast being created by a character that is so self-obsessed and sexually depraved and has this vendetta against his creators and an obsession with creation on his own terms. That just feels a whole lot more appropriate to me than something like the original comics where the Aliens just have a natural home world where they are part of a natural ecosystem.

Anyways, I fully expect a future project (maybe even this series from Noah Hawley) to re-retcon the Alien being David's creation (or, perhaps, flat out overwrite the prequels), and I'm fully prepared for it. I hope I like whatever comes next, but at the end of the day, like Covenant, it'll just simply be another take. I'm sure I'll be able to enjoy the good things about both Covenant and whatever comes next on their own terms, even if they stand in opposition of one another.

Wonder if that train ride is accessible and if the madness of Giger's back yard was somehow preserved.
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Post by: Master on Dec 22, 2020, 11:00:22 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 12:05:50 AM
I can appreciate that.

I guess my thinking is that I wish they didn't enhance David's arc at the expense of the Alien creature. David messing with Black Goo, totally great, David making Neomorphs and the like, also awesome. It's when he starts messing with the Alien itself (be it physically or thematically) that it starts rubbing me the wrong way.

That was my biggest problem with Covenant ( aside from idiot crew). Everything would have been much simpler and better without Alien and more focus on Neomorph.


I also have no problem with Prometheus Engineer ( Covenant had much worse) and them being discoverer  and continuator of Space Jockey work. I'd love to see Jockey of old and Engineer being two separate being. It was slightly hinted  in Prometheus.

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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 22, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Lol, for all of the original Jockey's non-humaness, it still had arms, 10 fingers, a mouth, and two eye sockets...

Giger's many visions represented the evolutionary trajectory of a biomechanical future. A sexually repressed, mad A.I. creating a creature from an amorphous, unknown, black shoggoth-like slime; a violent and erotic perversion, transfiguration and fusion of human reproduction, death and machine is, quite frankly, totally consistent thematically with his work. Personally, I'd rather not have another Planet of the Vampires, it's been done.  :D
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 22, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Lol, for all of the original Jockey's non-humaness, it still had arms, 5 fingers, a mouth, and two eye sockets...

Giger's many visions represented the evolutionary trajectory of a biomechanical future. A sexually repressed, mad A.I. creating a creature from an amorphous, unknown, black shoggoth-like slime; that's a violent and erotic perversion, transfiguration and fusion of human reproduction, death and machine is totally consistent thematically with his work. Personally, I'd rather not have another Planet of the Vampires, it's been done.  :D

There must be a black goo planet or something, where the machines have sex. There, the pathogen is running free and without supervision  🤩🤣
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Ia! Ia!
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 22, 2020, 07:27:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 22, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Lol, for all of the original Jockey's non-humaness, it still had arms, 5 fingers, a mouth, and two eye sockets...

Giger's many visions represented the evolutionary trajectory of a biomechanical future. A sexually repressed, mad A.I. creating a creature from an amorphous, unknown, black shoggoth-like slime; that's a violent and erotic perversion, transfiguration and fusion of human reproduction, death and machine is totally consistent thematically with his work. Personally, I'd rather not have another Planet of the Vampires, it's been done.  :D

There must be a black goo planet or something, where the machines have sex. There, the pathogen is running free and without supervision  🤩🤣

Giger's back yard?
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Post by: skhellter on Dec 22, 2020, 08:19:11 PM
teaser trailer

Spoiler
https://youtu.be/0sMxen6TBPQ
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 
My man.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2020, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 

My man.

The Mala'kaka'laka?
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2020, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 
My man.

I know this is controversial, and while I find both Alien3 and Prometheus entertaining enough.... Retcon everything but Alien and Aliens and I'll smack a kiss of joy on everyone I meet till premiere day!!! 💋
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Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2020, 09:28:35 PM
Alien 3 has a lot of good stuff in it, but it's still a shitshow of a movie.
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Post by: Stitch on Dec 22, 2020, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2020, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 
My man.

I know this is controversial, and while I find both Alien3 and Prometheus entertaining enough.... Retcon everything but Alien and Aliens and I'll smack a kiss of joy on everyone I meet till premiere day!!! 💋
Nah. Alien 3 FTW
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
(https://www.avpcentral.com/images/space-jockeys/outbreak-space-jockey.jpg)

I will never see this and not just die laughing. Man, I just really don't like those original three Dark Horse runs that follow on from Aliens at all. I keep getting worried that they're going to want to ape the "Earth War" concept from those books in this show. :-X

Alien 3 is an absolute mess of a movie, but I do find it infinitely more interesting that just about any other story for a third film that was being floated around (and that includes what little we know about Blomkamp's). Though there is some 'stuff' from Gibson's that I do like, even though I don't like the script/story as a whole. And I would love to see Ward's wooden planet concept repurposed down the line...
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
(https://www.avpcentral.com/images/space-jockeys/outbreak-space-jockey.jpg)

I will never see this and not just die laughing. Man, I just really don't like those original three Dark Horse runs that follow on from Aliens at all. I keep getting worried that they're going to want to ape the "Earth War" concept from those books in this show. :-X

It seems to have been stranded on some road near Oljato-Monument Valley, Utha. He also has that gallon of fuel in his hands. His gaze is that of someone who hasn't had sex in a long time.

Unlike this ladykiller 👁️👄👁️

(https://i.ibb.co/R0zvxpN/giphy.gif)

But seriously, it's possible to create a non-human Space Jokcey design that's actually cool  :laugh:

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Alien 3 is an absolute mess of a movie, but I do find it infinitely more interesting that just about any other concept for a third film that was being floated around (and that includes what little we know about Blomkamp's). Though there is some 'stuff' from Gibson's that I do like, even though I don't like the script/story as a whole.

You must love spores, and the space kradans regime  🤣

I still dream of Vincent Ward's Alien lll directed by David Lynch. Not as part of canon though, but as its own thing  :-X
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 22, 2020, 11:39:11 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
space kradans regime  🤣

Wait, wut ?  :D This goes into my signature

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
But seriously, it's possible to create a non-human Space Jokcey design that's actually cool  :laugh:

And the only man who could've done it is now dead
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 11:40:37 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
directed by David Lynch.

I always longed for some sort of Lynch/Giger collaboration on anything. I guess Lynch didn't much like Giger and Scott though, since he accused them of ripping off his Eraserhead baby with Alien's chestburster, despite Scott not having seen Lynch's film at the time. Giger came to learn of this when Lynch's Dune went into production; he tried to get a job on that, since he had previously been attached to both Jodorowsky and Scott's versions.

http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1983/03/gigers-attempt-to-board-lynchs-dune.html
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 22, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2020, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 
My man.

I know this is controversial, and while I find both Alien3 and Prometheus entertaining enough.... Retcon everything but Alien and Aliens and I'll smack a kiss of joy on everyone I meet till premiere day!!! 💋

It's not controversial, it's actually rather popular, just also boring and trite.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 23, 2020, 12:07:30 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 22, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 22, 2020, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 
My man.

I know this is controversial, and while I find both Alien3 and Prometheus entertaining enough.... Retcon everything but Alien and Aliens and I'll smack a kiss of joy on everyone I meet till premiere day!!! 💋

It's not controversial, it's actually rather popular, just also boring and trite.

At least it'll resolve the Egg on Sulaco thread.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 12:08:34 AM
How did the Sulaco get around the egg?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:37:41 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
(https://www.avpcentral.com/images/space-jockeys/outbreak-space-jockey.jpg)

I will never see this and not just die laughing. Man, I just really don't like those original three Dark Horse runs that follow on from Aliens at all. I keep getting worried that they're going to want to ape the "Earth War" concept from those books in this show. :-X

Alien 3 is an absolute mess of a movie, but I do find it infinitely more interesting that just about any other story for a third film that was being floated around (and that includes what little we know about Blomkamp's). Though there is some 'stuff' from Gibson's that I do like, even though I don't like the script/story as a whole. And I would love to see Ward's wooden planet concept repurposed down the line...

I don't think anybody envisioned the Jockey in Alien having human armor and lasers. 

Except Verheiden. 

I don't mind the Aliens sequel comics, but nobody was looking at the comics for the next films anyways.  I think most rational people knew they were going to get nuked by whatever the next film was going to be.  Even if it was going to be an Aliens II. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 12:39:18 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 22, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Though there is some 'stuff' from Gibson's that I do like, even though I don't like the script/story as a whole.

That whole story was from Giler/Hill via a very detailed outline.
Gibson was just tasked with turning that outline into a proper script.

He did alright, considering how silly some of those concepts are. (an egg in bishop? what?)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:42:08 AM
I think Gibson's script is probably the best of all the unmade movies.  There would've had to have been tweaks of course, but the whole virality without needing the eggs with people turning into monsters was basically stolen in Prometheus and Covenant, and to a much worse effect because none of the shit in those movies was scary.


I will note that I prefer the Gibson script with the mass populace on Anchorpoint. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 12:42:33 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:37:41 AM
I don't think anybody envisioned the Jockey in Alien having human armor and lasers. 

Except Verheiden. 

Yeah, that's definitely an extreme worse case scenario. And I would genuinely be all over seeing a 'proper' Space Jockey if someone had the right vision for it (design wise and narratively).
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 12:48:27 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:42:08 AM
I will note that I prefer the Gibson script with the mass populace on Anchorpoint.

ehh 2nd draft works a lot better to me.
Gibson was definitely going for a more Alien-y tone there and that fits the story better.
I do miss some of the setpieces in that first draft, though.

Comic adaptation was terrible.
Audible play was a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:51:49 AM
A combination of the two would work better. 

I liked people not knowing who was going to spontaneously change into the Alien because of the whole infection aspect (that works better if you have more people), but the whole running around outside the spaceship while alien queens chased you was silly.  The ending of the 2nd was better. 

I liked the comic adaption, but I have a higher degree of cheeze tolerance in comic form than I do in film.   
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 12:53:13 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:51:49 AM
A combination of the two would work better. 

I liked people not knowing who was going to spontaneously change into the Alien because of the whole infection aspect (that works better if you have more people), but the whole running around outside the spaceship while alien queens chased you was silly.  The ending of the 2nd was better. 

true. And Gibson often described that first version of Anchorpoint as a Syd Mead techno dream so.... it is missed.

found the art in that comic objectively bad.

Weird, given that the artist has done and continues to do very good work elsewhere.

Felt like a rushed production by Dark Horse...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 12:53:33 AM
The art in the comic just felt so lazy and half assed that I couldn't keep going with it. I'd rather just read the scripts. Do want to listen to the Audible drama, though.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:56:37 AM
I recognize it as being mediocre............but again I don't know why my brain is like this but sometimes I dig bad art.  Got no idea why.


Alchemy is one of my favorite comics and the art is very bleh. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 01:05:53 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 12:53:33 AM
I'd rather just read the scripts. Do want to listen to the Audible drama, though.

There's a lot of very dry, Alien-y technical dialogue in those scripts that works a lot better with.. real actors, as it was meant to be done.

skip reading the 2nd draft, stick with the audible thing.

If you want the full on experience of a "pure, crazy story by Giler/Hill with even more action than Aliens..." go read that first draft. It's the one unmade Alien script that can be accurately described as "Kenner".
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 03:06:43 AM
I only remember two big action sequences.



But its been probably 12 years or so since I read it. 
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 23, 2020, 03:10:27 AM
Alien3 is cool and good, you philistines


Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 22, 2020, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 22, 2020, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 22, 2020, 03:34:13 AM
Bring back the old jockeys. 

My man.

The Mala'kaka'laka?
Merry Christmas to you too

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Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 23, 2020, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 23, 2020, 03:10:27 AM
Alien3 is cool and good, you philistines

It can keep being as cool as you want it to be.

Spoiler
As long as it's no longer canon.
[close]
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 23, 2020, 03:17:21 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 03:31:50 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 23, 2020, 03:17:21 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is that you Lord Vader?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 23, 2020, 03:34:44 AM
It can't be David Fincher.


Spoiler
Or is it?  ;)
[close]
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2020, 07:22:36 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 03:31:50 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 23, 2020, 03:17:21 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is that you Lord Vader?

It's Bishop II. DUH


Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 23, 2020, 03:15:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 23, 2020, 03:10:27 AM
Alien3 is cool and good, you philistines

It can keep being as cool as you want it to be.

Spoiler
As long as it's no longer canon.
[close]

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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:42:08 AM
I think Gibson's script is probably the best of all the unmade movies.  There would've had to have been tweaks of course, but the whole virality without needing the eggs with people turning into monsters was basically stolen in Prometheus and Covenant, and to a much worse effect because none of the shit in those movies was scary.


I will note that I prefer the Gibson script with the mass populace on Anchorpoint.

I absolutely hate the first draft, and the second is probably my favourite out of all of them. The 2nd isn't without it's issues, it did need more revisions, but out of the rest of them, I find it the best. I love that Audible of it so much. I never used to like the spore angle, but since Covenant I've really come around to it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2020, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 08:54:30 AM
I absolutely hate the first draft, and the second is probably my favourite out of all of them.

Why so ? I don't recall Gibson's first draft to be that terrible. Red's is so much worse
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Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 10:57:43 AM
Eric Red's was also 100% based on ideas of Giler and Hill.  :laugh:
He hated writing it.  :laugh:

Giler and Hill were really just throwing darts at a wall to see what stuck.

And then they chose... Vincent Ward.  :laugh:

An Alien 3 behind the scenes biopic would feel like a Seinfeld episode.


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 08:54:30 AM
I absolutely hate the first draft, and the second is probably my favourite out of all of them.

To its credit, that first draft doesn't waste time with rote characterization on its first few pages. the UPP moving silently through the Sulaco would work better on a visual level. Things do move a lot faster there.
(The introduction of Tully and Jackson is also better without that stupid ass sex scene.)

I do wonder if Gill/Hiller insisted on a sex scene because Eric Red's also has... that one...
:laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2020, 12:35:23 PM
I never thought of that !  :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 23, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 23, 2020, 12:42:08 AM
I think Gibson's script is probably the best of all the unmade movies.  There would've had to have been tweaks of course, but the whole virality without needing the eggs with people turning into monsters was basically stolen in Prometheus and Covenant, and to a much worse effect because none of the shit in those movies was scary.


I will note that I prefer the Gibson script with the mass populace on Anchorpoint.

I absolutely hate the first draft, and the second is probably my favourite out of all of them. The 2nd isn't without it's issues, it did need more revisions, but out of the rest of them, I find it the best. I love that Audible of it so much. I never used to like the spore angle, but since Covenant I've really come around to it.

I could come around to Covenant as long as it turns out that David's creation is just a figment of his imagination, as ADF implied.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 02:07:06 PM
I like David as the creator of the Alien.....

It's the fact that he creates the Alien only 20 years before Alien that gives me pause. :laugh:

Whatever plan Ridley had to tie everything together was gonna be some laughable contrived bullshit.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2020, 02:09:44 PM
That's why I hope they will drop trying to connect it to Alien in the third prequel. Let it be it's own self-contained story. One can dream ...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
Ridley doesn't care whether a story is contrived or not.

the whole Deckard is an android thing in The Final Cut...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
I hope someone else does  :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Stitch on Dec 23, 2020, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
Ridley doesn't care whether a story is contrived or not.

the whole Deckard is an android thing in The Final Cut...  :laugh:
Another thing he came up with after the fact that caused controversy among fans. He's consistently inconsistent at least.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
not really after the "fact".

Unicorn dream was shot for the original release, for instance.


Anyway let's get back to the topic...

what will this be about?

I have a theory
Spoiler
A human ship returns to Earth. All attempts at contact with it fail as the ship falls into Earth's orbit. It is captured and made to dock with a space station, and upon a very tense boarding scene the crew find that it is a true ghost ship. There are many traces of violence though.. Unbeknownst to the Station's crew, there are aliens aboard.. And then some other bullshit happens. Eventually it is found that the ship was sent by David.. (via a bitchy message on the ship's computer) :laugh:
[close]

Or maybe someone will find an Engineer temple on earth and there'll be neomorphs there (or whatever).

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 23, 2020, 04:00:38 PM
Ridley is certainly inconsistent, but at least he's intetesting. :D

I do wonder how literally we're supposed to take that vaguely knock-off Giger aesthetic that they used in the backdrop during the investor announcement. Is that supposed to be a representation of an Alien hive? An Engineer temple? Some generic stock background that screams "ALIEN!" to the folks writing the checks? The last option, I'm sure, but... it isn't like we have much more to riff off of at the moment!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 23, 2020, 04:22:49 PM
Yeah the background is interesting for sure. I'm assuming it's just some generic stock background, but who knows.. The alien embryo is interesting too. It doesn't look like the classic snakelike chestburster, it has limbs etc like the one in Covenant.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
Aliens chestburster had limbs.


The visual of the Alien embryo in a sphere that turns into Earth felt to me like a bit of concept art made for a pitch to executives.

And maybe they decided to bring that out to investors and the public as well.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2020, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
I have a theory
Spoiler
A human ship returns to Earth. All attempts at contact with it fail as the ship falls into Earth's orbit. It is captured and made to dock with a space station, and upon a very tense boarding scene the crew find that it is a true ghost ship. There are many traces of violence though.. Unbeknownst to the Station's crew, there are aliens aboard.. And then some other bullshit happens. Eventually it is found that the ship was sent by David.. (via a bitchy message on the ship's computer) :laugh:
[close]

I like that one
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 23, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 22, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Lol, for all of the original Jockey's non-humaness, it still had arms, 5 fingers, a mouth, and two eye sockets...

Giger's many visions represented the evolutionary trajectory of a biomechanical future. A sexually repressed, mad A.I. creating a creature from an amorphous, unknown, black shoggoth-like slime; that's a violent and erotic perversion, transfiguration and fusion of human reproduction, death and machine is totally consistent thematically with his work. Personally, I'd rather not have another Planet of the Vampires, it's been done.  :D

There must be a black goo planet or something, where the machines have sex. There, the pathogen is running free and without supervision  🤩🤣

Haha yes, that'd be quite the pornhub.com video 🤔
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 23, 2020, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 23, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 22, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Lol, for all of the original Jockey's non-humaness, it still had arms, 5 fingers, a mouth, and two eye sockets...

Giger's many visions represented the evolutionary trajectory of a biomechanical future. A sexually repressed, mad A.I. creating a creature from an amorphous, unknown, black shoggoth-like slime; that's a violent and erotic perversion, transfiguration and fusion of human reproduction, death and machine is totally consistent thematically with his work. Personally, I'd rather not have another Planet of the Vampires, it's been done.  :D

There must be a black goo planet or something, where the machines have sex. There, the pathogen is running free and without supervision  🤩🤣

Haha yes, that'd be quite the pornhub.com video 🤔

Nah, they deleted everything that's not verified and David can't get approved.  :-\
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 23, 2020, 08:40:59 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 02:07:06 PM
I like David as the creator of the Alien.....

It's the fact that he creates the Alien only 20 years before Alien that gives me pause. :laugh:

Whatever plan Ridley had to tie everything together was gonna be some laughable contrived bullshit.  :laugh:

So long as it's erotic and disturbing af I'll be juicy.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 23, 2020, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 23, 2020, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 23, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 22, 2020, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 22, 2020, 01:22:07 PM
Lol, for all of the original Jockey's non-humaness, it still had arms, 5 fingers, a mouth, and two eye sockets...

Giger's many visions represented the evolutionary trajectory of a biomechanical future. A sexually repressed, mad A.I. creating a creature from an amorphous, unknown, black shoggoth-like slime; that's a violent and erotic perversion, transfiguration and fusion of human reproduction, death and machine is totally consistent thematically with his work. Personally, I'd rather not have another Planet of the Vampires, it's been done.  :D

There must be a black goo planet or something, where the machines have sex. There, the pathogen is running free and without supervision  🤩🤣

Haha yes, that'd be quite the pornhub.com video 🤔

Nah, they deleted everything that's not verified and David can't get approved.  :-\

Yeah, I was being serious. The real Giger-Porn planet. Sort of like Scorn, but less Beksiński and more Giger. I love both artists though.

Back on the planet, I know that it must be there 🤩💘🤩💘🤩💘 in some dark corner of the head-canons waiting to be explored by someone who have his balls on, such as Denis Villeneuve. Don't take it literally, as I mean of a filmmaker who gives preference to art, and who is not afraid of not playing safe sometimes.

Edit: I don't watch porn.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 23, 2020, 10:09:34 PM
We know you were being serious, Necro and I just talk about coomer shit regardless, anywhere we go.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 24, 2020, 02:35:55 AM
Go ahead.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 24, 2020, 03:43:14 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 23, 2020, 10:09:34 PM
We know you were being serious, Necro and I just talk about coomer shit regardless, anywhere we go.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yes but in all seriousness Giger and Beksinski ftw, in fact the praetomorph looks like Beksinski's take on the big chap; flayed, emaciated, etc.

Re David, another take is that since there's enough unreliable narrator then all he did was accelerate the process of what would have happened naturally; the egg-sacs eventually form into the classic eggs when left for eons, adapting to harsh conditions, etc. We can have our cake and eat it too bebe.


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoPXljBlLPYVPiMr3FKCxBjo1XXOV1vew4UQ&usqp=CAU)


Eons pass...

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUaJ7Z-yYhsyM8GekUD-0ChkXfRHvjOXM9EQ&usqp=CAU)
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 24, 2020, 04:08:12 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon IIGiger and Beksinski ftw, in fact the praetomorph looks like Beksinski's take on the big chap; flayed, emaciated, etc.

From Beksinski's Vitruvian abomitations to Giger's biomechanics, huh? 🤔 it's so demential 🤣 I love it. 

Also, nice theory 🙌🏻
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2020, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
Aliens chestburster had limbs.

And the original had suggestions of them as well.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimo on Dec 24, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
A bit late to the party but 3 things come to mind.
1) I do not want Ridley Scott anywhere near the script, but I don't mind him directing an episode or two.
2) Disney, better not make it family friendly.
3) The must use that Mandalorian world building tech what ever it's called? that cast real time world's and lights.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 24, 2020, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2020, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
Aliens chestburster had limbs.

And the original had suggestions of them as well.
Yeah but they were still mostly snakelike, small limbs and head attached to the rest of the body.

This one is shaped more like the adult form, seems like it has legs as well. Probably means nothing, but it reminded me of the Covenant burster.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Eo6VvgqVoA0LOmz.jpg)

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 24, 2020, 06:14:30 PM
Has anyone seen Fargo series? Noah Hawley, what a writter! I'm no longer worried about Alien series.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 24, 2020, 07:43:34 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2020, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
Aliens chestburster had limbs.

And the original had suggestions of them as well.

And let us not forget this squishy boi:

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/TVB53rzI_bI/AAAAAAAAAdY/2wL96TQI7Us/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/368.jpg)

Quote from: Kimo on Dec 24, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
1) I do not want Ridley Scott anywhere near the script, but I don't mind him directing an episode or two.

That's fine, if in return I get a Ridley Scott helmed Alien: Covenant sequel. ;)

Quote from: Kimo on Dec 24, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
2) Disney, better not make it family friendly.

FX (and, by extension, 'FX on Hulu') exclusively puts out shows aimed at adult audiences. And both of Hawley's previous shows have been with them, so he seems to be in good graces over there (even post-Disney takeover) enough to get to call his shots.
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Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 25, 2020, 01:16:50 AM
I read that there is multiple Alien shows in the works. Sorry I didn't save the link.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 25, 2020, 01:20:22 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 25, 2020, 01:16:50 AM
I read that there is multiple Alien shows in the works. Sorry I didn't save the link.

I did a little digging to see if I could find a source on this, and ultimately wound up here:

https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/disney-reportedly-developing-3-alien-tv-shows/

With 'We Got This Covered' as the source (and their only citation being some guy's Patreon), I'd say that this is almost certainly fake.
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Post by: chrisr232007 on Dec 25, 2020, 01:28:40 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 25, 2020, 01:20:22 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Dec 25, 2020, 01:16:50 AM
I read that there is multiple Alien shows in the works. Sorry I didn't save the link.

I did a little digging to see if I could find a source on this, and ultimately wound up here:

https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/disney-reportedly-developing-3-alien-tv-shows/

With 'We Got This Covered' as the source (and their only citation being some guy's Patreon), I'd say that this is almost certainly fake.

Ah got ya. Thank you.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 25, 2020, 06:08:48 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 25, 2020, 01:20:22 AM
'We Got This Covered'

(https://media.tenor.com/images/634203028a7d902abfb4ef92a4081899/tenor.gif)
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 25, 2020, 06:10:06 AM
Trustworthy indeed...
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Post by: judge death on Dec 25, 2020, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 24, 2020, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 23, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
Aliens chestburster had limbs.

And the original had suggestions of them as well.
Have a theory based on the three alien movies: That the chestbursters size depends on: 1: The time it is inside the host/how long it takes to gestate before adrenaline from the host or the chestbursters own body sets off the bursting action by releasing adrenaline itself, if it gestates for longer time than what we saw in alien, then its likely to have arms grown, and in alien 3 had legs and small version of its older self.
2: The hosts dna and health.
3: the invorment the hosts lives in.
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Post by: Drukathi on Dec 25, 2020, 07:23:51 PM
4. The director's whim, who doesn't care about the canon, the continuity.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 25, 2020, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 25, 2020, 07:23:51 PM
4. The director's whim, who doesn't care about the canon, the continuity.

This is the one, and that's totally fine in my book. Jimbo wanted more explicit arms on his chestburster, Fincher wanted his "Bambi Burster" to be able to run immediately after birth and show off the animalistic traits right off the bat, and the traditional larva-like chestburster wouldn't really be able to pull off the Christ pose that Oram's chestburster needed to do in Covenant. Sure, you can concoct story reasons for each difference that make sense, but at the end of the day they're really just different creative choices.
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 25, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
In the commentary for Prometheus, Ridley acknowledged the size discrepancy between the jockey and the engineer. He said he felt it was more important to have an actor playing the engineer be physically on set with the other actors, rather than awkwardly green-screened in.

This is a good example of how Ridley focuses on making each individual movie the best it can be, even if it comes at the expense of canon and continuity.

It drives us fans nuts, but I'm sure a lot of creative types get it - (and us fans usually manage to fudge together an explanation anyway.)

Ridley clearly wanted that moment between David and the baby. He wanted to express the relationship by having it mimic David's pose. This scene wouldn't have played as well if it didn't have arms and just stood straight like a snarling boner.
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Post by: Drukathi on Dec 25, 2020, 08:36:56 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 25, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
just stood straight like a snarling boner.

Will see in Alien: Awakening.
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Post by: David Weyland on Dec 25, 2020, 09:02:26 PM
Could explain it away as how 'Fresh' the eggs are-
The long gestation period of Kane could a) Be the decade/thousands of years the Derelict was dormant making the payload a little sleepy in its cycle b) Ash & Dallas try and remove it, facehugger was just trying to make sure job done.
Besides Kane is busted within an hour of waking up, Ash if you look closely is expecting it to happen any moment so...
Hadley's Hope, no proof that lady weren't caught 20 minutes before the Marines turned up
Alien 3 was pretty quick, Ripley's was a Queen so nothing broken(Yet) there, a week sounds cool

In Covenant, although not Xenos, the Neomorphs were bourne within two hours max but also ditto Oram & Lope
The source of contaminant was 1st generation from black goo so All fresh
More to it than the creatures I reckon, host's metabolism and conditions could very well play a part, therefore think it's ok to give slack here if you choose to think about it rather than being driven by the franchise sequence
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Post by: judge death on Dec 25, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 25, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
It drives us fans nuts, but I'm sure a lot of creative types get it - (and us fans usually manage to fudge together an explanation anyway.)
This is me, to me it should make sense and when making a movie in a franchise, to me logic should tell that one need to study the previous movies and lore carefully before starting a new movie so it dont contradict what is already established, like cameron did in aliens, even the pistol stuck in the door of the shuttle he managed to get right. :P
And to the changes and adds he made he had explanations that fit together with what we have seen before.
But apparently few directors pay attention like that.
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Post by: Mr. Clemens on Dec 25, 2020, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 25, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 25, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
It drives us fans nuts, but I'm sure a lot of creative types get it - (and us fans usually manage to fudge together an explanation anyway.)
This is me, to me it should make sense and when making a movie in a franchise, to me logic should tell that one need to study the previous movies and lore carefully before starting a new movie so it dont contradict what is already established, like cameron did in aliens, even the pistol stuck in the door of the shuttle he managed to get right. :P
And to the changes and adds he made he had explanations that fit together with what we have seen before.
But apparently few directors pay attention like that.

To be fair, he also put a light on top of Ripley's suit helmet, when it didn't have one in the prior film.
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 26, 2020, 12:17:23 AM
The simplest explanation is that it's a protomorph/praetomorph. Different creature.

But also... the chestburster in Aliens had arms too.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 26, 2020, 09:25:55 AM
In order of importance, base genotype and phenotype, host influence, habitation influence.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 26, 2020, 09:55:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 25, 2020, 10:13:16 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 25, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 25, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
It drives us fans nuts, but I'm sure a lot of creative types get it - (and us fans usually manage to fudge together an explanation anyway.)
This is me, to me it should make sense and when making a movie in a franchise, to me logic should tell that one need to study the previous movies and lore carefully before starting a new movie so it dont contradict what is already established, like cameron did in aliens, even the pistol stuck in the door of the shuttle he managed to get right. :P
And to the changes and adds he made he had explanations that fit together with what we have seen before.
But apparently few directors pay attention like that.

To be fair, he also put a light on top of Ripley's suit helmet, when it didn't have one in the prior film.

Take that, Cameron fanboys !  ;D
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 26, 2020, 07:35:45 PM
Maybe it's because the Black Goo is a part of the Xenomorph, as in 95-98% harnessed through its being, and thus sometimes manifests its "volatility" (as in random mutations, flukes and attributes), especially when it comes to gestation and birth?

After all, David "created" the thing in a homemade lab on an alien planet with a random selection of specimens to experiment on whilst the Black Goo is this complex ancient hyper-advanced technology (potentially distilled and synthesized from some ancestral primordial Xenomorph-esque organism) that David is way too giddy with.
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Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 25, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
In the commentary for Prometheus, Ridley acknowledged the size discrepancy between the jockey and the engineer. He said he felt it was more important to have an actor playing the engineer be physically on set with the other actors, rather than awkwardly green-screened in.

This is a good example of how Ridley focuses on making each individual movie the best it can be, even if it comes at the expense of canon and continuity.
I don't think it's a particularly good example because turning the Space Jockey into a suit, no matter how big/small it is, umdermines the Jockey's impact as an otherworldly inhuman being in 'Alien'.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Dec 25, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
In the commentary for Prometheus, Ridley acknowledged the size discrepancy between the jockey and the engineer. He said he felt it was more important to have an actor playing the engineer be physically on set with the other actors, rather than awkwardly green-screened in.

This is a good example of how Ridley focuses on making each individual movie the best it can be, even if it comes at the expense of canon and continuity.
I don't think it's a particularly good example because turning the Space Jockey into a suit, no matter how big/small it is, umdermines the Jockey's impact as an otherworldly inhuman being in 'Alien'.

Making the Jockey into the humanoid Engineer was "best" for the narrative of Prometheus. That doesn't necessarily mean that it is the "best" possible take on the Space Jockey (I fully agree that it isn't), but it is the "best" version of them that Ridley and his team were able to develop that would serve the particular ideas and story that he wanted to explore while making Prometheus, and I'd say that that is a totally fair approach on his end. If nobody above him is going to tell him "no," then he is entirely within his his right to reinterpret ideas as he sees fit. I'm sure Hawley and any other future filmmakers will, too.

Scott's never been a stickler for continuity and that's very obvious in his approach on the prequels. The story he's telling in the moment and the themes that connect it back to the original are what matter to him, and not so much specific plot/design elements that the fans hold dear as "canon."
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 26, 2020, 09:01:53 PM
I really don't know why Scott has such a hard-on for explaining the engineers and telling us where the Alien came from, because for me, they were the two questions I didn't want answered.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 09:25:23 PM
I'm inclined to think that most people in the general audience probably feel that way, and as a result I'm not really expecting to see much in the way of further developing David or Ridley's ideas about creation here in this show.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 26, 2020, 11:06:55 PM
The Engineer is cooked?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 11:15:55 PM
They're just a bit crispy, is all.

(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/vlcsnap-error8551.jpg)
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 26, 2020, 11:19:56 PM
 :laugh:
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 26, 2020, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 11:15:55 PM
They're just a bit crispy, is all.

(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/vlcsnap-error8551.jpg)

Do they taste like jerky, is the question.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 26, 2020, 11:33:27 PM
Tastes like pork (https://decider.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Raised-By-Wolves-105-02.gif?w=640).
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 26, 2020, 11:35:08 PM
That was some really unsubtle foreshadowing.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 26, 2020, 11:56:14 PM
I'm really disinclined to derail Ridley's work like this.  He started the franchise.  The Engineers were not a dumb idea either.
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Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 27, 2020, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 26, 2020, 09:01:53 PM
I really don't know why Scott has such a hard-on for explaining the engineers and telling us where the Alien came from, because for me, they were the two questions I didn't want answered.

My sentiment exactly.

I really do hope that they stay away from any deep-space existentialism about cosmos, life and creation and instead go for the less noble angle of government/military industrial complex corruption, corporate greed & opportunism, bonuses and the drudgery of colonists and company employees & contractors. More cigarette butts, mugs of cold coffee, yawny eye-gooped haggard space truckers and dark 'n' rainy lethally hostile other-world environments please!
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2020, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 27, 2020, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 26, 2020, 09:01:53 PM
I really don't know why Scott has such a hard-on for explaining the engineers and telling us where the Alien came from, because for me, they were the two questions I didn't want answered.

My sentiment exactly.

I really do hope that they stay away from any deep-space existentialism about cosmos, life and creation and instead go for the less noble angle of government/military industrial complex corruption, corporate greed & opportunism, bonuses and the drudgery of colonists and company employees & contractors. More cigarette butts, mugs of cold coffee, yawny eye-gooped haggard space truckers and dark 'n' rainy lethally hostile other-world environments please!

Well, if there is one thing in which Disney has no rival, it is in releasing good nostalgia-based media and quality fanservice.
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Post by: David Weyland on Dec 27, 2020, 12:56:26 AM
The point of a prequel is an origin story no?

You could argue Prometheus despite its flaws was an attempt to tip the scale back to something with more gravitas & seriousness after AVP2, to take back the Xeno from merely cannon fodder

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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2020, 01:07:49 AM
Quote from: David Weyland on Dec 27, 2020, 12:56:26 AM
The point of a prequel is an origin story no?

You could argue Prometheus despite its flaws was an attempt to tip the scale back to something with more gravitas & seriousness after AVP2, to take back the Xeno from merely cannon fodder

Well, on one hand:

☝ It is not impossible to do a well-written and well-executed origin story.

☝ A prequel doesn't need to be an origin story at all. Just a good story.

☝ It is possible to make a story about the Space Jockeys anywhere in the timeline: prequel, interquel, post-Resurection, etc.

I don't dislike entirely the drama and thriler built around the industrial future, the military faction and the Corporations.
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Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 03:52:44 AM
I don't disagree that the universe needs to be widened to be successful.  One of the reasons Star Wars always seems to be "in" is because the universe for that franchise is so huge with hundreds of stories being told about things that are often times only vaguely interlinked.  Alien universe writers UNTIL the prequels and even then in regards to certain aspects of the universe are STUCK on telling the same stories about the same set pieces over and over and over again. 

"OK guys, we need WY, going back to the derelict/LV-426/Sulaco to find one last Alien egg secretly left behind by a Bishop android.  Make sure to have Ripley's granddaughter and the Colonial Marines in to combat the Alien." 

I disagree with almost every aspect of Prometheus, and think Covenant is only a marginal Alien film, but at least there seemed to be an attempt to widen the universe and get away from the same stories being told over and over again. 


My problems with the prequels have always been the storytelling.

When I first saw scientist GET f**kING INTERSTELLAR COORDINATES FROM A CAVE PAINTING I knew the movie was going to be ass.  By the time the engineers head exploded I had already checked out.  To me it wasn't a deep dive into existence and creation, it was just a bunch of clowns running around making stupid decisions.   

The SJ should be within the Alien universe to give the universe some spice.  As should an Entity like David (the only good thing from the prequels).  But I would've portrayed the SJ as a malevolent force of nature whose motives would've been unknown instead of making them something so...........human.

The Engineers are just a bunch of big blue nba players with bald heads.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 27, 2020, 04:29:48 AM
I would absolutely be down to see a 'new' take on the Space Jockey that separates them from the Engineers. Be they the creators of the Engineers or something totally unrelated that the Engineers sought to replicate in technology and design. Dounle down on David's perspective that the Engineers are just as much failures as humanity is.

I'm also fine with the Engineers and the Space Jockey remaining the same beast, as they are, but Prometheus did end with Shaw asking who created the Engineers and Covenant never followed up on that thread, so there's some wiggle room for exploration there.
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Post by: judge death on Dec 27, 2020, 04:40:29 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 27, 2020, 04:29:48 AM
I would absolutely be down to see a 'new' take on the Space Jockey that separates them from the Engineers. Be they the creators of the Engineers or something totally unrelated that the Engineers sought to replicate in technology and design. Dounle down on David's perspective that the Engineers are just as much failures as humanity is.
This! As me and others said: make the space jockeys into something mysterious and unknown force and origin unknown and just as scary as the xenomorphs and that the enginners are just seeing them as gods and trying to look like them, hence their cuits and designs try to replicate them. While space jockeys dont even have a humanoid shape but are grown and is very different than humanoids.
That would expand the alien universe a lot.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 27, 2020, 04:54:41 AM
Well, until we know about the leg situation for sure, everything else about the original Space Jockey is pretty humanoid. Two arms, two eyes, etc. and the Derelict had a whole cargo of Alien eggs with Facehuggers perfectly sized for humans - which we know were also able to do their thing to the Space Jockey itself given the rupture in its chest. There are definitely Lovecraftian overtones to the Jockey, but it isn't quite as radical a departure from the human form as it is often made out to be. Which is why all in all I don't hate the Engineer retcon, even though I'd be very cool with a re-retcon that separates the two. 

As for the Alien, I find the connotations of David creating and shaping the Alien to be just about as interesting as the ideas presented in the original film, and with the Pathogen in play, there still exists the incomprehensible, cosmic raw material that spawns eldritch abominations behind it all; David, artist that he is, sculpted one particular form and created his "Perfect Organism" and, at the same time, the franchise burst open the doors to explore other wildly different tracks with new creatures, mutations, and offshoots as well.
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 27, 2020, 05:09:42 AM
Yes the original Jockey is so inhuman that it had 5 digits on each arm, err, like a human 🤣. All mystery is preserved with the black pathogen. David just decided to throw some peenies and vagins in the black soup. 😁🥰 Facehugger: two human hands, peeny and vagin; recognises human immune systems, proteins, etc. Snuggly. 🥰😘
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Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 05:35:18 AM
You can make something inhuman acting even if it vaguely resembles a human. 
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Post by: judge death on Dec 27, 2020, 05:45:42 AM
Couldnt find the video explaining the ideas so well, was maybe 2-3 years ago but these two are similair and discussing the same idea:





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Post by: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
All I know is, nothing with an Engineer's facial anatomy (i.e. Human) would be able to see much out of that f**kin' helmet.  :D
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Post by: Drukathi on Dec 27, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
I don't care about anatomy or unknowable SJ's motives and the like. But I want the return of biomechanical aesthetics: biomechanics, eromechanics, necrogothic. It seems that Prometheus and Covenant had biomechanical-style concepts, but then they were abandoned in favor of a stone and flesh. It's a real miracle that The Last Engineer from LV-223 had a biomechanical design.
Thinking about how Disney/Lucasfilm carefully recreated the SW OT aesthetic, I hope that Disney/Fox will also carefully recreate the Alien/Aliens aesthetic.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2020, 01:53:08 PM
I miss the strange shapes in the prequels as well, especially in Covi.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
All I know is, nothing with an Engineer's facial anatomy (i.e. Human) would be able to see much out of that f**kin' helmet.  :D

Not very ergonomic for sure  :laugh:

(https://s2.gifyu.com/images/gif59d23014a4add8ff.gif)

The prequels helmet is even more zoomorphic than the original Space Jockey head.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 27, 2020, 02:04:02 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Dec 27, 2020, 01:46:14 PM
I don't care about anatomy or unknowable SJ's motives and the like. But I want the return of biomechanical aesthetics: biomechanics, eromechanics, necrogothic. It seems that Prometheus and Covenant had biomechanical-style concepts, but then they were abandoned in favor of a stone and flesh. It's a real miracle that The Last Engineer from LV-223 had a biomechanical design.
Thinking about how Disney/Lucasfilm carefully recreated the SW OT aesthetic, I hope that Disney/Fox will also carefully recreate the Alien/Aliens aesthetic.

The lack of Giger biomechanics in Covenant's Alien designs was a conscious design choice. The idea is that David hadn't yet finalized his "Perfect Organism" and hadn't yet introduced (his own, perhaps?) mechanical elements into the gene pool. If we do get a sequel to Covenant, then by design the biomechanical design aesthetic will be making more of a return there.

As for Star Wars, I loved seeing the recreation of the Original Trilogy aesthetic in Rogue One, but it actually bothered me a fair amount in the Sequel Trilogy. It just made the ST feel stagnant. The Prequel Trilogy was always moving, with the sleek chrome aesthetic devolving over the course of the trilogy into the more hulking, gray, industrial OT designs. It really played well on a visual level, alongside the more explicit narrative of the transformation of democracy into fascism and the corruption of Anakin Skywalker. In the ST there was no innovation in design to represent and reflect a new political era or thematic intention; it was just X-Wings and TIE Fighters zipping around again because J.J. Abrams wanted to recreate what he knew.

As for this particular show, I wouldn't be shocked if they went pretty 1:1 with the intention of the original Giger Alien design, with some liberties taken in order to allow for more movement that the human body is incapable of (like what Alien: Isolation did) unless there's a conscious decision on Hawley's part to introduce some sort of biological meddling into the picture again to really change the nature of the design.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
All I know is, nothing with an Engineer's facial anatomy (i.e. Human) would be able to see much out of that f**kin' helmet.  :D

:D Good point actually
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 27, 2020, 05:09:42 AM
Yes the original Jockey is so inhuman that it had 5 digits on each arm, err, like a human 🤣. All mystery is preserved with the black pathogen. David just decided to throw some peenies and vagins in the black soup. 😁🥰 Facehugger: two human hands, peeny and vagin; recognises human immune systems, proteins, etc. Snuggly. 🥰😘

Luke Scott: No one asked one very big simple question, and I was amazed at that because it was an evolution where you could certainly go into the next story by saying "What was the black liquid in the urn, which was the popular plot device that got the name, The Black Goo", I don't know where that came from but, it did, and er, there was this dark gazpacho contained within those ancient-looking urns, what was that? why was it there? wha.. and I always figured what my father had was a battle.... I used to call it "whatever fuking plot you want" soup.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 07:41:35 PM
Is that an actual quote or you made it up ?
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2020, 07:45:57 PM
I just edited an old Ridley Scott quote by replacing the SJs words and stuff with the black pathogen.
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Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 07:54:51 PM
Oh, I see
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 27, 2020, 08:40:31 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
All I know is, nothing with an Engineer's facial anatomy (i.e. Human) would be able to see much out of that f**kin' helmet.  :D

:D Good point actually

HUD?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 27, 2020, 09:29:45 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
Luke Scott:

On this note, I wouldn't be shocked to see Luke wind up directing an episode or two on this series. I absolutely hated his feature film Morgan, and the directing on episodes 3 and 4 of Raised By Wolves was pretty generic stuff (along the lines of his work on the Prometheus/Alien: Covenant/Blade Runner 2049 viral shorts) that wound up getting elevated by the quality of the scripts he was working with. The directing in his finale episode of Raised By Wolves, however, was by and large pretty great.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: OpenMaw on Dec 27, 2020, 10:24:37 PM
Covenant left me pretty much done with the series. I love the original three films. Covenant did things to the series that I simply cannot abide.

Earth and Near Future are inherent shackles. The big appeal in the original films is the exotic locations and hostile environemnts. Space stations, colonies, starships. Industrial, utilitarian.

We don't need to see aliens running around suburbia. It looks awful, and i'm really hoping this isn't going to be some kind of a detective drama or something with an Alien.

The only way to make the Earth setting actually work is if it's A. only where we are starting from, or B. the events are incredibly isolated. Otherwise you just trample all over Alien and Aliens. Which, if you're going to drop those names constantly, you better not do that.

I've said it many times in the past, but Alien Isolation serves as a great template to where you could take the series. Not specifically Amanda, but tonally and creatively. Outland with an Alien. A space station, deep space, between Alien and Aliens or even Aliens and Alien 3. Develop some good characters, make it a mystery series, and then have a great shift in tone at some point which has the Alien come into the forefront.

I'm not really excited. Until I see a deeper synopsis, a story breakdown, or even just some actual content, I'm not going to get excited. "ALIEN" just doesn't juice me up like it used to.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
I still maintain that Earth should be in danger at some point in the series.



That or a major colony takeover.

The Aliens have one W in the series.  ONE.  And that is Hadley's Hope.

How much of a threat are they really if unarmed civilians can keep blowing them out of an airlock?

Either make them a threat again, or just stop making movies/series where we pretend they are a threat. 

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on Dec 27, 2020, 10:51:49 PM
Knowing disney we wont get that but a lot of fanservice like what marvel is aiming for: familiar names and charachters will be shown or namesdropped, alien designs from aliens or alien and not much new stuff and happy endings where the civilians win and reboting same ideas we seen in the past but good and similair to what they did with star wars: tie fighters never change and we still have x wings in the sequel trilogy.

Doubt disney will try to be bold and do new things.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: OpenMaw on Dec 27, 2020, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
I still maintain that Earth should be in danger at some point in the series.



That or a major colony takeover.

The Aliens have one W in the series.  ONE.  And that is Hadley's Hope.

How much of a threat are they really if unarmed civilians can keep blowing them out of an airlock?

Either make them a threat again, or just stop making movies/series where we pretend they are a threat.

I mean, their body count is pretty much in the high 90& by now. Most everybody we've seen run into them has died. The only time they really lost their luster was in AVPR and Covenant.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 27, 2020, 10:56:54 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
I still maintain that Earth should be in danger at some point in the series.



That or a major colony takeover.

The Aliens have one W in the series.  ONE.  And that is Hadley's Hope.

How much of a threat are they really if unarmed civilians can keep blowing them out of an airlock?

Either make them a threat again, or just stop making movies/series where we pretend they are a threat. 



That actually brings to light my one real problem with Covenant's third act: the second Alien. I think the third act would have been much more effective with a single Alien, rather than two. Thematically, Oram's 'son' is the one we saw directly interact with David and replicate the Christ pose, and it thematically embodies the theme of creation/birth running through the film. This is great and all... and then the Alien is defeated in the (excellent) set piece involving the crane. If I were calling the shots there, I would have had the Alien make it out of that encounter alive, and be the same Alien that somehow makes it onto the Covenant, and entirely skip Lopé's facehugging/chestbursting. Let the single Alien be the threat that is responsible for all the chaos that comes to be at the end of the film, rather than having two Aliens that each get offed pretty quickly and never overlap on screen with one another.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 28, 2020, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 27, 2020, 10:53:52 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
I still maintain that Earth should be in danger at some point in the series.



That or a major colony takeover.

The Aliens have one W in the series.  ONE.  And that is Hadley's Hope.

How much of a threat are they really if unarmed civilians can keep blowing them out of an airlock?

Either make them a threat again, or just stop making movies/series where we pretend they are a threat.

I mean, their body count is pretty much in the high 90& by now. Most everybody we've seen run into them has died. The only time they really lost their luster was in AVPR and Covenant.

I can reverse that and say that everytime the Aliens run into a human they get offed pretty quickly themselves. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2020, 01:03:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 09, 2012, 01:47:00 AM
SM usually says that "perfect organisms" aren't susceptible to machine guns.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 28, 2020, 01:54:04 AM
They obviously turned decadent society after taking Hadley's Hope effortlessly.

Stealth egg tactics is just the last stage of decline.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 28, 2020, 02:45:47 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
All I know is, nothing with an Engineer's facial anatomy (i.e. Human) would be able to see much out of that f**kin' helmet.  :D

:D Good point actually

Probably see better than this ridiculous helmet 🤣

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQt8V51Zluwv1JcaNNO0SJ5UfUUjv8uDxg2vQ&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 28, 2020, 02:47:06 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Dec 27, 2020, 10:24:37 PM
Covenant left me pretty much done with the series. I love the original three films. Covenant did things to the series that I simply cannot abide.

Earth and Near Future are inherent shackles. The big appeal in the original films is the exotic locations and hostile environemnts. Space stations, colonies, starships. Industrial, utilitarian.

We don't need to see aliens running around suburbia. It looks awful, and i'm really hoping this isn't going to be some kind of a detective drama or something with an Alien.

The only way to make the Earth setting actually work is if it's A. only where we are starting from, or B. the events are incredibly isolated. Otherwise you just trample all over Alien and Aliens. Which, if you're going to drop those names constantly, you better not do that.

I've said it many times in the past, but Alien Isolation serves as a great template to where you could take the series. Not specifically Amanda, but tonally and creatively. Outland with an Alien. A space station, deep space, between Alien and Aliens or even Aliens and Alien 3. Develop some good characters, make it a mystery series, and then have a great shift in tone at some point which has the Alien come into the forefront.

I'm not really excited. Until I see a deeper synopsis, a story breakdown, or even just some actual content, I'm not going to get excited. "ALIEN" just doesn't juice me up like it used to.

Oui! All of this!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 28, 2020, 02:48:24 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2020, 07:19:21 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 27, 2020, 05:09:42 AM
Yes the original Jockey is so inhuman that it had 5 digits on each arm, err, like a human 🤣. All mystery is preserved with the black pathogen. David just decided to throw some peenies and vagins in the black soup. 😁🥰 Facehugger: two human hands, peeny and vagin; recognises human immune systems, proteins, etc. Snuggly. 🥰😘

Luke Scott: No one asked one very big simple question, and I was amazed at that because it was an evolution where you could certainly go into the next story by saying "What was the black liquid in the urn, which was the popular plot device that got the name, The Black Goo", I don't know where that came from but, it did, and er, there was this dark gazpacho contained within those ancient-looking urns, what was that? why was it there? wha.. and I always figured what my father had was a battle.... I used to call it "whatever fuking plot you want" soup.

Until the pathogen can manifest toasters or muffins with blue berries it has a pretty consistent modus operandi.


P.S. I feel like muffins now 🤣
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2020, 02:56:51 AM
Sorry, best I can do for ya is some mushrooms.

(https://studioyutani.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/pf3.png)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 28, 2020, 03:06:43 AM
Lush fungi from yuggoth.

Here's what I think the original Jockey ought to be beneath...

(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/4112772815fa6e439b150fee71ba4c80814cdca8a5bb196651851f77eba8920b55db3347.jpg)


We can surmise that some engineers went further than others in their self-experimentations; others more biomech, gigantic and one with their crafts, humanoid but increasingly more alien the more they combined the aesthetics from the results of the pathogen.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 28, 2020, 03:59:57 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 28, 2020, 03:06:43 AM
We can surmise that some engineers went further than others in their self-experimentations; others more biomech, gigantic and one with their crafts, humanoid but increasingly more alien the more they combined the aesthetics from the results of the pathogen.

That's another idea I was always kind of partial to, and that's where my mind pretty much went immediately after Prometheus released (before Covenant opened up a whole different can of worms regarding David and the Alien). There are probably some aeons old posts of mine talking about similar concepts...

Honestly, I'm pretty open and varied on interpretations of the Space Jockey/Engineers. There are a lot of radically different directions that one can go with it (them?) if they so chose.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 28, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 28, 2020, 02:45:47 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
All I know is, nothing with an Engineer's facial anatomy (i.e. Human) would be able to see much out of that f**kin' helmet.  :D

:D Good point actually

Probably see better than this ridiculous helmet 🤣

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQt8V51Zluwv1JcaNNO0SJ5UfUUjv8uDxg2vQ&usqp=CAU)

If those eye slits were horizontal, this helmet would actually be great for seeing in all-snow conditions like the Arctic.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Master on Dec 28, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Dec 28, 2020, 02:45:47 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 27, 2020, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Dec 27, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
All I know is, nothing with an Engineer's facial anatomy (i.e. Human) would be able to see much out of that f**kin' helmet.  :D

:D Good point actually

Probably see better than this ridiculous helmet 🤣

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQt8V51Zluwv1JcaNNO0SJ5UfUUjv8uDxg2vQ&usqp=CAU)

This is tournament helmet. It was designed specifically not to allow shrapnel from broken lance to get into ones eyes.


About the new series, I'm not happy with earth setting. For now at least, as it all depends on execution. As we discussed through  the years possible Alien sequels/ spinoffs with new cast, I always thought the best hooking point and place to start is revisiting Lv-426. It should be set between Alien 3 and Resurrection with W-Y revisiting Derelict. It would explain why they had to clone Ripley to get the Alien and fall of W-Y. This or post Resurrection setting. Any other way to acquire Alien seems to convenient* for my taste.








*There's always a frozen Queen next to Bovotoya :P
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 29, 2020, 01:41:09 AM
Surely there are better designs than that. 🤣 Don't take it too seriously, all in good fun. Mind you the Jockey helmet most likely has holographic tech inside.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Dec 29, 2020, 03:34:33 AM
Where the engineers are going, they won't need eyes to see.







*engineers tossed in the reboot bin*
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 29, 2020, 08:45:11 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 26, 2020, 09:01:53 PM
I really don't know why Scott has such a hard-on for explaining the engineers and telling us where the Alien came from, because for me, they were the two questions I didn't want answered.

There's me in the background having wanted to see the Space Jockeys explored. It's just this particular explanation wasn't the one I was after. lol


Quote from: Kimarhi on Dec 27, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
That or a major colony takeover.

That's where I'd really love to see something Alien head. We can't really do a big takeover of Earth, but to see a major colony fall to the Aliens would be genuinely interesting. Something like the Alien equivalent of Reach in Halo, but maybe with less agriculture.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 27, 2020, 10:56:54 PM
That actually brings to light my one real problem with Covenant's third act: the second Alien. I think the third act would have been much more effective with a single Alien, rather than two.

Also agreed. As much as I prefer Spaihts' take on Prometheus, and genuinely loved Covenant, the treatment of the Alien in both wasn't great. In both they're barely a threat, and throwing away one so quickly in Covenant was undermining to me, especially with how much hassle the Neomorphs had given them to that point. I still think the Alien with a capital A shouldn't have been in the film at all. Should have all been Neomorph.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 29, 2020, 09:54:42 AM
Yeah I quite like the praetomorph but would have been perfectly fine had it been just a waxed figure in the lab, a portent of what's to come, the neos are genuinely fantastic additions to the family tree.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 29, 2020, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 29, 2020, 08:45:11 AMThere's me in the background having wanted to see the Space Jockeys explored. It's just this particular explanation wasn't the one I was after. lol

:laugh: Fair.

I guess I just prefer a mystery.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 29, 2020, 01:52:53 PM
Becareful what you wish for! Agreed. Like Kubrick's The Shining, or 2001 and the Monolith, the Space Jockey works better if it remains a mystery. Even though "Predators" doesn't rise to that level, Nimród Antal got it right in my opinion for wanting his mysteries to remain mysteries, even now. Because when you reveal those mysteries, instead of fascinating posts with wild imaginations where fans theorize where the Alien Xenomorph came from or what the Xenomorph is or represents, if it's some sort of space cancer or what have you, now we have David created them. That's it. And once you have those answers, suddenly the universe feels quite a lot smaller.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Gentleman Death on Dec 29, 2020, 03:51:47 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 29, 2020, 01:52:53 PM
Becareful what you wish for! Agreed. Like Kubrick's The Shining, or 2001 and the Monolith, the Space Jockey works better if it remains a mystery. Even though "Predators" doesn't rise to that level, Nimród Antal got it right in my opinion for wanting his mysteries to remain mysteries, even now. Because when you reveal those mysteries, instead of fascinating posts with wild imaginations where fans theorize where the Alien Xenomorph came from or what the Xenomorph is or represents, if it's some sort of space cancer or what have you, now we have David created them. That's it. And once you have those answers, suddenly the universe feels quite a lot smaller.

Couldn't. Agree. More!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: PraetorianX101 on Dec 29, 2020, 05:56:13 PM
So, has it been specified whether this series will be canon to the films? Or will it be its own continuity?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: PraetorianX101 on Dec 29, 2020, 05:56:13 PM
So, has it been specified whether this series will be canon to the films? Or will it be its own continuity?

Since R. Scott is somewhat tied to the project I would say that they're going to try to stay as true as they can to the canon and continuity of the movies, the prequels included. Hence why I believe that this pitch where they're talking about the series taking place on Earth in a "near" future is to be taken lightly. The show might take off from Earth (quite literally), but will take place mostly in space. Mostly. There might be flashbacks or parallel story lines taking place on Earth, but any interractions with Xenomorphs will most definitely happen far away from Earth and our solar system. Same thing with the "near future" part - it might be video transmissions from a near future picked up by people in the "far" future, or it might be a bunch of flashbacks or even a parallel storyline & timeline taking place entirely a few decades from now embedded into the series.

My guess is that the main storyline & timeline will take place after A3 and will somehow explain why the only way to get ahold of a Xenomorph specimen in the era of A:R was to clone Ripley rather than going to the Derelict, or simply stumbling upon Engineer black goo riddled ruins and remains at some point after the events taking place during A:C.

Whether David created the Xenos or not needs to be explained by Ridley Scott, preferably in a prequel finale movie. It's way too big of a deal to be explained or retconned by a mere tv series.

Anyways, the initial info we were given about the show was most likely a part of a PR stunt to get this baby on the road.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: PraetorianX101 on Dec 29, 2020, 10:16:05 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 09:35:58 PM
Quote from: PraetorianX101 on Dec 29, 2020, 05:56:13 PM
So, has it been specified whether this series will be canon to the films? Or will it be its own continuity?

Since R. Scott is somewhat tied to the project I would say that they're going to try to stay as true as they can to the canon and continuity of the movies, the prequels included. Hence why I believe that this pitch where they're talking about the series taking place on Earth in a "near" future is to be taken lightly. The show might take off from Earth (quite literally), but will take place mostly in space. There might be flashbacks or parallel story lines taking place on Earth, but any interractions with Xenomorphs will most definitely happen far away from Earth and our solar system. Same thing with the "near future" part - it might be video transmissions from a near future picked up by people in the "far" future, or it might be a bunch of flashbacks or even a parallel storyline & timeline taking place entirely a few decades from now.

My guess is that the main storyline & timeline will take place after A3 and will somehow explain why the only way to get ahold of a Xenomorph specimen in the era of A:R was to clone Ripley rather than going to the Derelict, or simply stumbling upon Engineer black goo riddled ruins and remains at some point after the events taking place during A:C.

Whether David created the Xenos or not needs to be explained by Ridley Scott, preferably in a prequel finale movie. It's way too big of a deal to be explained or retconned by a mere tv series.

Anyways, the initial info we were given about the show was most likely a part of a PR stunt to get this baby on the road.
Yeah. I doubt Ridley would be involved with something that could potentially retcon his prequels. :P Although, if the info we were given is nothing more than a red herring, it does seem odd that they'd use a non-futuristic Earth setting as the selling point for this series since many fans seem to be averse to the concept.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 29, 2020, 11:10:14 PM
I want a TV Series that stokes the fire for a third prequel, perhaps ending in a finale that interweaves & combines with said hoped Motion Picture, done right it could be deep and nourishing; banishing the naysayers, bringing us all back together but saying that...I'm an optimist! 😄
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 29, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 28, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
It should be set between Alien 3 and Resurrection with W-Y revisiting Derelict.

I'd imagine that the explosion the size of Nebraska most likely took care of that. ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 29, 2020, 11:25:10 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 29, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 28, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
It should be set between Alien 3 and Resurrection with W-Y revisiting Derelict.

I'd imagine that the explosion the size of Nebraska most likely took care of that. ;)

Yes plus Colonial Marines..
that was peddled as Canon too right? 😄
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on Dec 29, 2020, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 29, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 28, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
It should be set between Alien 3 and Resurrection with W-Y revisiting Derelict.

I'd imagine that the explosion the size of Nebraska most likely took care of that. ;)
IT took the colonists years to find that ship so I doubt it was near enough to be destrroyed by the explosion, also the planet is rocky and full of mountains and hills so the enviroment will be a good protection for it, can easily see it being unaffected by the atmosphere processors explosion.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 29, 2020, 11:40:12 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 29, 2020, 09:35:58 PM
Since R. Scott is somewhat tied to the project I would say that they're going to try to stay as true as they can to the canon and continuity of the movies, the prequels included.

I don't think Ridley Scott as an Executive Producer is a done deal yet, and at this point I would surmise the creative process has long since chugged along without him (even though Executive Producer is typically a non creative role to begin with.)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Dec 29, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
I'm just assuming they're trying to get him aboard for his name, nothing more. We know they basically lied in the investor call by saying he was already working alongside Hawley, while he's in talks only... which doesn't give me hope. I wonder why the talks are taking this long anyway.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2020, 12:39:01 AM
If literally nothing else comes of Ridley's (possible) involvement, I hope he looks at another household item in his bathroom and decides to model a ship off of it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 29, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
I'm just assuming they're trying to get him aboard for his name, nothing more. We know they basically lied in the investor call by saying he was already working alongside Hawley, while he's in talks only... which doesn't give me hope. I wonder why the talks are taking this long anyway.

Talks are taking long because Ridley probably took a look at what they are trying to do and is saying..
"Nope. f**k that".
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 12:46:48 AM
 :laugh:

Quote from: Evanus on Dec 29, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
I'm just assuming they're trying to get him aboard for his name, nothing more. We know they basically lied in the investor call by saying he was already working alongside Hawley, while he's in talks only... which doesn't give me hope. I wonder why the talks are taking this long anyway.

Yeah, name brand baby. I can see the adverts now...
"From Executive Producer Ridley Scott, legendary director of Alien, Blade Runner and The Martian... comes the stunning new series yada yada yada." :)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 12:49:03 AM
Noah Hawley's debut feature has an impressive 21% RT score...
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lucy_in_the_sky

huhh... is this really the guy we want handling Alien? :|
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 30, 2020, 01:37:38 AM
They should build some fake sets where Ridley can run riot with Crowe and Fassbender and twentyfive simultaneous cameras.


Put it all on some 4K Special Edition and take my 80$.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Dec 30, 2020, 02:06:51 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 12:49:03 AM
Noah Hawley's debut feature has an impressive 21% RT score...
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lucy_in_the_sky

huhh... is this really the guy we want handling Alien? :|
His TV series have substantially better reviews.

But yes that film was terrible. I was on a 12 hour plane ride and still didn't think it was worth watching more than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 30, 2020, 03:30:20 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 12:46:09 AM
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 29, 2020, 11:48:43 PM
I'm just assuming they're trying to get him aboard for his name, nothing more. We know they basically lied in the investor call by saying he was already working alongside Hawley, while he's in talks only... which doesn't give me hope. I wonder why the talks are taking this long anyway.

Talks are taking long because Ridley probably took a look at what they are trying to do and is saying..
"Nope. f**k that".

Yeah blacklabel is right, although it's more likely that Scott is busy with post-production, covid, etc. If it leads up to Giger-esque sexual A.I. goodness I'm all aboard. 🥰
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 30, 2020, 07:52:03 AM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 29, 2020, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 29, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 28, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
It should be set between Alien 3 and Resurrection with W-Y revisiting Derelict.

I'd imagine that the explosion the size of Nebraska most likely took care of that. ;)
IT took the colonists years to find that ship so I doubt it was near enough to be destrroyed by the explosion, also the planet is rocky and full of mountains and hills so the enviroment will be a good protection for it, can easily see it being unaffected by the atmosphere processors explosion.

Maybe some mercenary contractors or company spec-ops (be it W-Y or some other company, like Seegson maybe), went into the  Derelict after Ripley & Co left LV426, harvested some eggs and artifacts and then blew up the Derelict before anyone else could get their hands on it as the Hadley's Hope incident was most likely going to be thoroughly investigated? Maybe the special operations company/mercenary ship "disappeared" shortly after they left the planet, not to be heard from again until years after the events in A3, which is when the Alien tv series takes place. Maybe it's a race between different actors/parties/factions to get their hands on the lost ship and its cargo.

Again, if W-Y went under before the tv series we'd see other companies trying to fill the power vacuum and scavenge the carcass of the great wasgreacorporate behemoth - it would make for an interesting scenario with lots of intrigues, mystery and corruption.
I think a sci-fi crime crime drama thriller with horror and action elements would fit quite well.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Master on Dec 30, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 29, 2020, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 29, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 28, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
It should be set between Alien 3 and Resurrection with W-Y revisiting Derelict.

I'd imagine that the explosion the size of Nebraska most likely took care of that. ;)
IT took the colonists years to find that ship so I doubt it was near enough to be destrroyed by the explosion, also the planet is rocky and full of mountains and hills so the enviroment will be a good protection for it, can easily see it being unaffected by the atmosphere processors explosion.

Heyah, I was thinking the same. Jordens were given specific coordinates to get to the Derelict.  It wasn't no where near Hadley's Hope. The explosion size of Nebraska was more of the way of speaking - pretty f**king big explosion, not the actual blast radius.
I'm not being anal about it, they can get Alien from wherever they want. I'd just prefer tying some lose ends. Lv-426 Derelict and Bovotoya Queen both are in Schrödinger's box now. Can be used, can be destroyed  and it's all cool with me.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 29, 2020, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 29, 2020, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 28, 2020, 11:08:43 PM
It should be set between Alien 3 and Resurrection with W-Y revisiting Derelict.

I'd imagine that the explosion the size of Nebraska most likely took care of that. ;)
IT took the colonists years to find that ship so I doubt it was near enough to be destrroyed by the explosion, also the planet is rocky and full of mountains and hills so the enviroment will be a good protection for it, can easily see it being unaffected by the atmosphere processors explosion.

LV426 is super tiny though.
Always felt like a convenience that the colonists hadn't mapped Acheron thoroughly upon landing (via satellites/drones, etc.)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 30, 2020, 02:57:00 PM
Hey I haven't even mapped my bedroom properly, who knows what lurks in the shadows... *finds melted gummy bear*


Besides, every error colonists make in this franchise is answered for with the line, "dumb ass colonists". 😅
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2020, 03:01:38 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 30, 2020, 09:40:02 AM
Heyah, I was thinking the same. Jordens were given specific coordinates to get to the Derelict.  It wasn't no where near Hadley's Hope. The explosion size of Nebraska was more of the way of speaking - pretty f**king big explosion, not the actual blast radius.
I'm not being anal about it, they can get Alien from wherever they want. I'd just prefer tying some lose ends. Lv-426 Derelict and Bovotoya Queen both are in Schrödinger's box now. Can be used, can be destroyed  and it's all cool with me.

As far as lingering 'sources' of the Alien go, LV-223 (as a source of the Pathogen, not the Alien proper), Planet 4 with David's stash, and the entirety of the Covenant are all out there at the moment.

Until something says otherwise, it makes the most sense to me to assume that the LV-426 Derelict was taken out in the explosion. But I guess, if they want to use it, there isn't anything stopping them.

Quote from: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 12:35:55 PM
LV426 is super tiny though.
Always felt like a convenience that the colonists hadn't mapped Acheron thoroughly upon landing (via satellites/drones, etc.)

Or Pups. ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 30, 2020, 05:50:34 PM
If the derelict hadn't been destroyed, I don't think WY would have been in such a hurry to get hold of Ripley on Fiorina 161 or Bishop(The human version) wouldn't have been so frantically distraught when Ripley decided to fall to her death.
It would be like oh well, at least we have the derelict
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Ya, it was clearly destroyed according to Alien 3...

but of course.. if the future plans involve retconning Alien3...
Seemed like Blomkamp wanted to do just that:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fconceptartworld.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2FAlien-5-Concept-Art-Neill-Blomkamp-Film-Project-Geoffroy-Thoorens-Factory.jpg&hash=6e190af7afe63be0cb8aa4bac302c0238ef72f6a)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 06:39:14 PM
Honestly, I would love to see Blomkamp's take on Alien if only to see that visual realised ^^^
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 06:54:48 PM
Ridley already gave us 3 different Derelicts. No need for the return of that specific one. ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
I mean, I would just love to see hangar that big it would be able to cover Derelict  :D. And I still refuse to believe it's smaller than freaking Nostromo
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 08:12:37 PM
back on topic, though.

At the end of the day, if this show turns out to be good... cool.

If it's crap it won't damage the franchise any more than Resurrection, 2 AVP's, Colonial Marines and Prometheus already did.

Count me among the doubters, though...

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/may/22/fargo-creator-noah-hawley-stanley-kubrick-with-the-ocd
i mean....
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 30, 2020, 12:49:03 AM
Noah Hawley's debut feature has an impressive 21% RT score...
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/lucy_in_the_sky

huhh... is this really the guy we want handling Alien? :|

Debut is a key word. You should watch Fargo series. It's brilliant.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Master on Dec 31, 2020, 12:07:23 AM
Quote from: David Weyland on Dec 30, 2020, 05:50:34 PM
If the derelict hadn't been destroyed, I don't think WY would have been in such a hurry to get hold of Ripley on Fiorina 161 or Bishop(The human version) wouldn't have been so frantically distraught when Ripley decided to fall to her death.
It would be like oh well, at least we have the derelict

Well, not exactly. It's easier to get to Ripley on Fiorina, especially with info from Sulaco and Andrews. There was high possibility  that Alien is there and still alive.

Lv-426 on the other hand is fresh after big ass thermonuclear explosion.  Searching for Derelict in such conditions is surely the B scenario.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Dec 31, 2020, 12:33:50 AM
Michael Bishop Weyland is just a drama queen then oh well  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Dec 31, 2020, 03:39:30 AM
Don't think Noah is being too serious with regards to Kubrick lmao, *chuckles* Kubrick is baby's first arthouse director anyway 🤣
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Dec 31, 2020, 03:42:57 AM
I cringed so hard reading that I may have permanently damaged an eye.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 31, 2020, 09:57:57 AM
Quote from: David Weyland on Dec 30, 2020, 05:50:34 PM
If the derelict hadn't been destroyed, I don't think WY would have been in such a hurry to get hold of Ripley on Fiorina 161 or Bishop(The human version) wouldn't have been so frantically distraught when Ripley decided to fall to her death.
It would be like oh well, at least we have the derelict

If we're talking directly after Aliens, I imagine the fallout and radiation would have likely gotten in the way of any sensors or probes. Or, I'd explain it away that way. So I've no problem with that myself.


There Are A Lot Of Reasons To Get Excited About FX's Alien Series (https://gamerant.com/lot-reasons-get-excited-fxs-alien-series/)

Little editorial from GameRant.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TC on Jan 01, 2021, 02:59:59 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
I mean, I would just love to see hangar that big it would be able to cover Derelict  :D. And I still refuse to believe it's smaller than freaking Nostromo

In that painting, there's something weird about the scale of the derelict and the tiny figures in front of it, and the scale of the hangar surrounding them.

TC
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 01, 2021, 03:43:07 AM
Quote from: TC on Jan 01, 2021, 02:59:59 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 30, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
I mean, I would just love to see hangar that big it would be able to cover Derelict  :D. And I still refuse to believe it's smaller than freaking Nostromo

In that painting, there's something weird about the scale of the derelict and the tiny figures in front of it, and the scale of the hangar surrounding them.

TC

True.  But the idea is still awesome.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 10:34:00 PM
the "hangar" was probably just another level on the massive WY space station or tower that the story was supposed to take place on.

Garden level had a similar ceiling:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/blomkamp-concept-002-geoffroy-thoorens.jpg)

probable view from outside:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/blomkamp-concept-005-geoffroy-thoorens.jpg)

Whole thing reminds me of Gibson's script..
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 02, 2021, 02:16:22 AM
Looks like a Halo level lol
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jan 02, 2021, 03:58:44 AM
(cof kinda generic, ngl)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 02, 2021, 08:17:28 PM
☝ Expensive & Super Epic Generic Sci-Fi 🧐☕🍪
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 02, 2021, 09:20:51 PM
Yeah, looks cool....in the most generic way possible.  Hard pass.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 02, 2021, 10:13:46 PM
Big budget generic designs can look stunning, and if you get minimalist even classy. But sometimes everything looks so new and clean.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2021, 11:37:55 PM
Just give everyone some little Moebius hats, and the rest of the aesthetic will fall into place.

(https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/200903183123-restarting-humanity-in-raised-by-wolves-00001328.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 03, 2021, 05:15:11 AM
Negative ghost rider.  Keep that in Ridley's little sideshow. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
I'll trade it for a wooden planet and some monks, then.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on Jan 03, 2021, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
I'll trade it for a wooden planet and some monks, then.
How does a wooden planet in space even work? One of the worst ideas I ever read from that script for a scifi movie xD
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 03, 2021, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 03, 2021, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
I'll trade it for a wooden planet and some monks, then.
How does a wooden planet in space even work? One of the worst ideas I ever read from that script for a scifi movie xD

Maybe not for a space habitat, But launching wooden machines into space is not pseudoscientific.

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1343811796201844737
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2021, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 03, 2021, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
I'll trade it for a wooden planet and some monks, then.
How does a wooden planet in space even work? One of the worst ideas I ever read from that script for a scifi movie xD

Even if it isn't super 'practical,' it'd make for a really interesting visual. Probably not ever going to happen in this franchise, and that's fine, but I'd love to see something run with the idea.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 04, 2021, 01:28:13 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2021, 10:20:36 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 03, 2021, 09:35:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 03, 2021, 06:02:07 AM
I'll trade it for a wooden planet and some monks, then.
How does a wooden planet in space even work? One of the worst ideas I ever read from that script for a scifi movie xD

Even if it isn't super 'practical,' it'd make for a really interesting visual. Probably not ever going to happen in this franchise, and that's fine, but I'd love to see something run with the idea.

Feels more like something fitting for Raised by Wolves or even Star Wars. I mean, the idea and concept is awe-inspiring but way too spectacular for the the attempted "realism" the majority of the Alien movies went for.

I could however see this in an Alien movie if it was created by another faction or off-shoot of Engineers.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 04, 2021, 01:59:02 AM
The whole idea is definitely Scott esque but I don't think even he would do it with Alien in the title. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 04, 2021, 04:13:58 AM
Finally started watching FARGO (the tv series), and damn - I like it!

If the Alien tv series work like a FARGO in space mixed with OUTLAND, mixing in all the elements of corporate greed, govt/military corruption, the drudgery and everyday life of colonists, space truckers, contractors, Colonial Marshals, company employees and higher-ups with the brief presence of Colonial Marines at some point, while slowly leading up to the first real Xenomorph encounter, I think we'll be in for a treat. I picture a crime thriller drama set mostly in space, inhabited with sparse dry dark humor and "real people" everyday characters. But as the show progresses the veil slowly reveals tantalizing elements of mystery and big portions of lurking horror and dread.

As mentioned earlier I think it would be great if the show takes place shortly after W-Y went under, leaving a power vacuum for lesser corporations and players to fill while shamelessly scavenging on what W-Y left behind. There could be this mysterious ship with its even more mysterious cargo that mysteriously disappeared at some point between the events after ALIENS and before the end of A3 (hinting that it has something to do with whatever happened on Acheron). The ship and its cargo re-appeared then to be hijacked again... Much later in the season, after many false leads and parallel story lines, the ship is finally located and tracked down at some outer rim seemingly completely abandoned facility, and this is when speculations and rumors about the Xenomorph turn into real encounters, because we all know what was onboard that ship.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 04, 2021, 04:43:40 AM
I'm personally not interested in post WY, as that would imply Resurrection era goonery.


WY just doesn't need to dominate EVERY narrative line. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 04, 2021, 04:57:13 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 04, 2021, 04:43:40 AM
I'm personally not interested in post WY, as that would imply Resurrection era goonery.


WY just doesn't need to dominate EVERY narrative line.

Hmmm, yeah, I get where you're coming from.

Personally I think it's necessary to end the hegemony of W-Y, and with the W-Y gone one opens up to a lot of new possibilities and story lines. It's also a great story and mystery to uncover, i.e. to why W-Y, is in the real reason, to why W-Y went under after being the most prolific, pioneering and powerful corporation ever. What happened? What did they hide? Where did all the money and R&D go?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 05, 2021, 02:40:03 PM
Yes but now my sneakers have been bought out by Walmart, Walmart will be after you next.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 15, 2021, 12:51:45 AM
Disney needs to give us something juicy so we can argue for another 40 pages.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2021, 12:54:49 AM
Disney needs to clarify what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" means...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 15, 2021, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2021, 12:54:49 AM
Disney needs to clarify what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" means...

Maybe "Not too far in the future" means immediately after Aliens. Then, they will premiere a teaser with a series of random scenes before the screen goes black. That's when we go to hear a familiar voice saying:

Michael Biehn: No one's ever really gone ~  :-*
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2021, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 15, 2021, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2021, 12:54:49 AM
Disney needs to clarify what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" means...

Maybe "Not too far in the future" means immediately after Aliens. Then, they will premiere a teaser with a series of random scenes before the screen goes black. That's when we go to hear a familiar voice saying:

Michael Biehn: No one's ever really gone ~  :-*

Turk?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 15, 2021, 01:22:02 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2021, 01:18:13 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 15, 2021, 01:11:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2021, 12:54:49 AM
Disney needs to clarify what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" means...

Maybe "Not too far in the future" means immediately after Aliens. Then, they will premiere a teaser with a series of random scenes before the screen goes black. That's when we go to hear a familiar voice saying:

Michael Biehn: No one's ever really gone ~  :-*

Turk?


(https://studybreaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Turk-Scrubs.png)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 15, 2021, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 15, 2021, 12:54:49 AM
Disney needs to clarify what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" means...

Unless something changes over the course of production, I really wouldn't worry about this one too much...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott ...
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 15, 2021, 06:38:16 PM
So it does just mean "not as far in the future as other big name sci-fi shows of today" then, right?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2021, 12:47:08 PM
That'd be a fair assessment. Alien's never exactly been as far in the future as Star Trek or Expanse. (Unless we count Resurrection, which we never do).
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jan 18, 2021, 12:58:15 PM
So is this post Covenant or post Alien3

what's the timeline here...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 18, 2021, 12:59:37 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2021, 12:47:08 PM
That'd be a fair assessment. Alien's never exactly been as far in the future as Star Trek or Expanse. (Unless we count Resurrection, which we never do).

(https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Alien-Resurrection-Newborn-alien-disappointed-face.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 19, 2021, 12:05:05 AM
gray booger sad  :(
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jan 19, 2021, 12:22:23 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2021, 12:47:08 PM
That'd be a fair assessment. Alien's never exactly been as far in the future as Star Trek or Expanse. (Unless we count Resurrection, which we never do).
Alien is a scant 101 years away!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 19, 2021, 01:30:57 AM
If it's the Hadley's Hope colony series, then maybe inside the Derelict there may be a hologram that references David's actions.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 19, 2021, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2021, 12:22:23 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2021, 12:47:08 PM
That'd be a fair assessment. Alien's never exactly been as far in the future as Star Trek or Expanse. (Unless we count Resurrection, which we never do).
Alien is a scant 101 years away!

Closer than the 300+ of Star Trek or Expanse!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jan 20, 2021, 11:00:25 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 19, 2021, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 19, 2021, 12:22:23 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2021, 12:47:08 PM
That'd be a fair assessment. Alien's never exactly been as far in the future as Star Trek or Expanse. (Unless we count Resurrection, which we never do).
Alien is a scant 101 years away!

Closer than the 300+ of Star Trek or Expanse!
Exactly! Or the 500+ years of something like Halo.

Also, does that mean Resurrection takes place as far into the future to us as Star Trek?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 20, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
Voyager would have gotten home not long before.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Jan 21, 2021, 12:23:43 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 19, 2021, 01:30:57 AM
If it's the Hadley's Hope colony series, then maybe inside the Derelict there may be a hologram that references David's actions.

Rather than one storyline throughout the tv series, I'm dreaming but I'd prefer standalone stories per episode across the Alien timeline to reinforce & expand it,...A River of Pain type episode or two parter to tell the story of the fall of Hadley's Hope would be top of my list (Plus the mystery of the egg on the Sulaco 😄) but a drawn out thing of one situation while welcome less so

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 21, 2021, 02:24:00 AM
Quote from: David Weyland on Jan 21, 2021, 12:23:43 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 19, 2021, 01:30:57 AM
If it's the Hadley's Hope colony series, then maybe inside the Derelict there may be a hologram that references David's actions.

Rather than one storyline throughout the tv series, I'm dreaming but I'd prefer standalone stories per episode across the Alien timeline to reinforce & expand it,...A River of Pain type episode or two parter to tell the story of the fall of Hadley's Hope would be top of my list (Plus the mystery of the egg on the Sulaco 😄)
but a drawn out thing of one situation while welcome less so

You mean like an anthology, but with such format in season itself? With each episode being its own story that also serves to back up the Alien lore.

Oh and yeah...that egg  :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/CKNNpW2/Pics-Art-01-20-11-19-17-removebg-preview.png)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Jan 21, 2021, 08:30:39 AM
Goddamit, leave the poor egg alone !  >:(
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2021, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: David Weyland on Jan 21, 2021, 12:23:43 AMRather than one storyline throughout the tv series, I'm dreaming but I'd prefer standalone stories per episode across the Alien timeline to reinforce & expand it...

No thanks. You're not going to be able to develop anything nearly enough in the space of, what, 45 minutes? for me to care who lives and who dies by the end.

Long-form is absolutely the way to go.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 21, 2021, 09:35:32 AM
I genuinely wouldn't mind changing stories and characters and setup each season though.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2021, 09:45:13 AM
Yeah, I'd be fine with that. But it absolutely needs to be more than a monster of the week show imo.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jan 21, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2021, 09:33:35 AM
Quote from: David Weyland on Jan 21, 2021, 12:23:43 AMRather than one storyline throughout the tv series, I'm dreaming but I'd prefer standalone stories per episode across the Alien timeline to reinforce & expand it...

No thanks. You're not going to be able to develop anything nearly enough in the space of, what, 45 minutes? for me to care who lives and who dies by the end.

Long-form is absolutely the way to go.

Damn. Black Mirror and its standalone hour long episodes ain't shit.
Rekt. :'(

If only Charlie Brooker knew long-form was the way to go.. :'(

If only the first film had 10 hours to really get us invested in the Nostromo crew.  :'(

Now seriously, Long-form tv, more often than not, ends up feeling bloated with a ton of padding and characterization that isn't really that interesting in the first place.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 21, 2021, 12:21:22 PM
For every show that does it successfully in a single episode I could name a dozen that don't. There's a seemingly endless supply of American TV shows that all follow the same villain-of-the-week format, perhaps with hints of some overreaching subplot to try and keep people interested beyond there here and now. Personally, I can't stand that style. It's infuriatingly generic.

Point is, you can generally do a lot more with a story arc longer than one episode.

There's also the fact that if you have a stand-alone story every episode, you're presumably going to have Aliens cropping up literally anywhere and everywhere week-in, week-out to accommodate all those individual stories.
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Post by: David Weyland on Jan 21, 2021, 01:05:42 PM
I don't see the idea as Monster of the week, more for the thing to skit an episode or how many the particular story deserves per story on key blanks between films that we've got questions to & where we are by default already somewhat emotionally invested via the films.

You could interweave Easter eggs or connections between different stories across the decades of the Alien timeline, would be awesome and much to riff off to get started
Eg) A Peter Weyland story,
The murder of Elizabeth Shaw,
David on the Covenant experimenting on the colonists with a failed escape by one of his victims,
Alien Isolation story,
River of Pain,
Alien 3 egg
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jan 21, 2021, 01:07:38 PM
Black Mirror
The Twilight Zone
The Outer Limits
Masters of Horror

I eagerly await 48 counter examples.

I'm not saying this show should be episodic but saying you can't get good characters or story in a single episode is demonstrably false.

And let's not kids ourselves that longer form television is inherently better. There are plenty of long running shows that are dull as dogshit, at best punctuated by the occasional good episode. Heaven forbid this turn into The Walking Dead.
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Post by: skhellter on Jan 21, 2021, 01:15:52 PM
At the end of the day long-form or purely episodic aren't really fireproof FORMULAS that lead directly to great results.

All depends on the story they want to tell and who's telling it.

This goes back to "what's better.. short stories or novels?" Depends.

Quote from: David Weyland on Jan 21, 2021, 01:05:42 PM
Alien 3 egg

:laugh:  ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 21, 2021, 01:57:38 PM
Only solid writing will tell.

How about this earth setting ol Hicks, should we worry or not about that? So long as it's a cyberpunk hellscape that needs a good hose down, I'd be down.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jan 21, 2021, 01:59:07 PM
don't think it'll be exactly set on Earth....

probably a space station.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 21, 2021, 02:27:07 PM
The setting? Not as important to me. As long as it has solid writing and casting! :)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 21, 2021, 02:30:48 PM
-Set on Earth.
-Near future

Enough to kill interest. But "monster of the week" will be a brutal fatality. To finally destroy the story, they will need to make the main character an agent of the secret service or corporation. Like F. Mulder.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 21, 2021, 09:43:33 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 21, 2021, 01:07:38 PM
And let's not kids ourselves that longer form television is inherently better. There are plenty of long running shows that are dull as dogshit, at best punctuated by the occasional good episode. Heaven forbid this turn into The Walking Dead.

Amen for that. I'd rather have a short but great story than a long but painfully boring series.

Actually, for whatever reason, I don't see an Alien show following a single story season after season. Although I suppose that with good writing and casting they can develop interesting characters and plots that captivate and intrigue the audience to which the show will be targered. And while good characters and writing are necessary in any style or case, in order to have an A+ Sci-Fi TV show with Aliens; I find the format of the monster of the week more interesting, or an anthology where each season is a different story.

And since it is science fiction / horror, I hope for a setting that is actually memorable.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 25, 2021, 04:52:26 PM
Noah will construct the boat required and save the Alien Franchise from the deep sea known as the Disney vault. Or not.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Jan 25, 2021, 05:22:45 PM
I wouldn't get my expectations too high
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 26, 2021, 03:11:10 AM
I would generally prefer an eight episode series focused on a few characters and a main storyline.


Multi season stories tend to get overly bloated, and character motivations seem to become suspect over time.  Too many times characters abandon morals they had at the beginning of the series to set up some kind of plot point that is "cool" later on. 

I find smaller episodic content generally doesn't work as well.  Yes I watched a ton of Twilight Zone.  TZ worked less on the flat characters and more on the moral of the story. 

You won't be able to tell an Alien story like a TZ one. 

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Xiggz456 on Jan 26, 2021, 07:12:50 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jan 26, 2021, 03:11:10 AM
I would generally prefer an eight episode series focused on a few characters and a main storyline.


Multi season stories tend to get overly bloated, and character motivations seem to become suspect over time.  Too many times characters abandon morals they had at the beginning of the series to set up some kind of plot point that is "cool" later on. 

I find smaller episodic content generally doesn't work as well.  Yes I watched a ton of Twilight Zone.  TZ worked less on the flat characters and more on the moral of the story. 

You won't be able to tell an Alien story like a TZ one. 



I'm with you on this. I also think 8 episodes is the way to go in order to get the most out of the budget per episode. Although I wonder what kind of budget FX will allow. Apparently Hawley's Legion cost roughly $4 million per episode. The Hulu original sci-fi series The First had an 8 episode season budget of $54.6 million which would be $6.8 million per episode. Then on the high end of budgets is The Mandalorian which gets around $15 million per episode. So my conservative guess would be that the budget will be closer to $5 million per episode.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
Earth setting must be a Kenner Alien design per week.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Prez on Jan 28, 2021, 06:49:52 AM
Just read about Disney+ launching Star here soon in Australia.
I see all the Alien films are going to be on there. Curious if they are theatrical or director cut versions.
Oddly enough only Predators and Predator 2 are on there.
Neither the original or the most recent 4th film included.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 28, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
Earth setting must be a Kenner Alien design per week.

No CGI either. Practical Alien Kenner toy figurines filmed in stop-motion.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 28, 2021, 10:41:42 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 28, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2021, 07:16:49 PM
Earth setting must be a Kenner Alien design per week.

No CGI either. Practical Alien Kenner toy figurines filmed in stop-motion.

Would watch.  :D
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 04:41:44 PM
All of Noah Hawley's stuff so far's been either eight episodes long or eleven episodes long. With either a three season story, or a somewhat self contained different story per each season, I'm up for either.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 02, 2021, 01:03:03 AM
I'm burning with curiosity to watch this. From Noah, I haven't seen anything beyond Legion.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 06:43:42 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 02, 2021, 01:03:03 AM
I'm burning with curiosity

Oh, it's you. I've thought it's Huggs
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Post by: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 02, 2021, 05:41:54 PM
Hello everyone.

Been absent for years but i had to coment on this one.

How can any of you be remotely interested in this, after what colossal dog shit failure Alien Covenant was.
Alien franchise is beyond fixing at this point. Disney would have to retconned Covenant to f**k, but they are all to busy riding Scott's dick praising this motherf**ker for butchering the plot. I dare you to find/make me a compelling story arch that fixes xenomorph origins. I apologise for the venom filled post. I was holding it for way too long. The frustration and anger reached it's limits. We are all fans and i love you all.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2021, 05:51:03 PM
Alien: Covenant is great. :)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Huggs on Feb 02, 2021, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 06:43:42 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 02, 2021, 01:03:03 AM
I'm burning with curiosity

Oh, it's you. I've thought it's Huggs

Who? What..what? Who..say what? Who was I, what did I do?
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Post by: Gentleman Death on Feb 02, 2021, 06:49:37 PM
Quote from: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 02, 2021, 05:41:54 PM
Hello everyone.

Been absent for years but i had to coment on this one.

How can any of you be remotely interested in this, after what colossal dog shit failure Alien Covenant was.
Alien franchise is beyond fixing at this point. Disney would have to retconned Covenant to f**k, but they are all to busy riding Scott's dick praising this motherf**ker for butchering the plot. I dare you to find/make me a compelling story arch that fixes xenomorph origins. I apologise for the venom filled post. I was holding it for way too long. The frustration and anger reached it's limits. We are all fans and i love you all.

I'm personally excited for this for a few reasons. One is the fact that it's a TV show and can expand on the story itself over several episodes and not just a 2hr movie.

And I hope they don't follow the Covenant storyline at all...😎
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Post by: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 02, 2021, 07:05:28 PM
"And I hope they don't follow the Covenant storyline at all...😎"

They have to at this point, otherwise it woudn't make sense.

I'll say it. Disney should REBOOT the entire alien franchise. As much as i love them movies, they have the money and power to create brand spanking new ALIEN CINEMATIC UNIVERSE. Place where Alien and Predator series flourish, making justice to the source material. I mean, c'mon, look Dark Horse Comics done over the years. If they can make a bunch of old dudes in capes and spandex FUN, they'll have ez money with this.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 02, 2021, 07:14:36 PM
And yet, the EU new or old exist(ed) simultaneously with the films, I guarantee this will be no different in that regard.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 02, 2021, 07:25:31 PM
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/a9995bc3e0bce09b965b03607be29e24/tumblr_osp69u3JG01wo1px3o4_540.gif)
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Post by: Kradan on Feb 02, 2021, 07:43:34 PM
How would've SW fans been pissed off if they hadn't gotten Revenge of The Sith ?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 03, 2021, 01:12:04 AM
I will treat the series as standalone, just like I did with the DH comics. 



It's the movies that need to be rebooted.  IDGAF about canonicity in the EU media.  It is what it is. 

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Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 03, 2021, 01:24:55 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 03, 2021, 01:12:04 AM
IDGAF about canonicity

This but for everything.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 02, 2021, 05:41:54 PMHow can any of you be remotely interested in this, after what colossal dog shit failure Alien Covenant was.

How could anyone be remotely interested in Casino Royale, after what colossal dog shit failure Die Another Day was.

Point being, just because the last Alien thing they did wasn't that great, doesn't mean the next thing won't be.

Yes, the franchise's track record of late hasn't been that good. But the closest thing we've had to a TV series thus far was probably the anniversary shorts, and some of those were bloody excellent.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 03, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
Yep and if the continuity created by last film/media is an issue, they can always de-canonize it in favor of a new continuity. Fox has done it before.
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Post by: Kradan on Feb 03, 2021, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 02, 2021, 05:41:54 PMHow can any of you be remotely interested in this, after what colossal dog shit failure Alien Covenant was.

How could anyone be remotely interested in Casino Royale, after what colossal dog shit failure Die Another Day was.

Point being, just because the last Alien thing they did wasn't that great, doesn't mean the next thing won't be.

Yes, the franchise's track record of late hasn't been that good. But the closest thing we've had to a TV series thus far was probably the anniversary shorts, and some of those were bloody excellent.

Has everyone forget that Colonial Marines was released year before Isolation ?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 03, 2021, 02:46:51 PM
Colonial what now? Never heard of it.
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Post by: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 03, 2021, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 03, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
Yep and if the continuity created by last film/media is an issue, they can always de-canonize it in favor of a new continuity. Fox has done it before.

You talking X-men when they had rights to them?

Quote from: Kradan on Feb 03, 2021, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2021, 10:43:08 AM
Quote from: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 02, 2021, 05:41:54 PMHow can any of you be remotely interested in this, after what colossal dog shit failure Alien Covenant was.

How could anyone be remotely interested in Casino Royale, after what colossal dog shit failure Die Another Day was.

Point being, just because the last Alien thing they did wasn't that great, doesn't mean the next thing won't be.

Yes, the franchise's track record of late hasn't been that good. But the closest thing we've had to a TV series thus far was probably the anniversary shorts, and some of those were bloody excellent.

Has everyone forget that Colonial Marines was released year before Isolation ?

If it wasn't for the Covenant movie, you could push Colonial Marines story even further. Even thou it wasn't good to begin with, it's still canon.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 03, 2021, 04:16:19 PM
It's not canon actually.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64354.0

And some people need to edit the goddamn wikis to reflect it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2021, 04:59:56 PM
Maybe they're hoping that Randy can turn it around.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 03, 2021, 05:29:21 PM
Did someone say canon?

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/Yl5aO3gdVfsQ0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 03, 2021, 05:42:20 PM
Canon is whichever story you're currently experiencing.
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Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2021, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 03, 2021, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 03, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
Yep and if the continuity created by last film/media is an issue, they can always de-canonize it in favor of a new continuity. Fox has done it before.

You talking X-men when they had rights to them?

I meant like previous media of this franchise, AVP is no longer canon to Alien due to Prometheus and then that was doubled down with Covenant. Then there is the comics and novels, Fox reset the eu with fire and stone and the shadow/rage trilogy but again Covenant meant that those were no longer canon or at least some of them weren't.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2021, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2021, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Pvt.Hickson on Feb 03, 2021, 03:25:48 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 03, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
Yep and if the continuity created by last film/media is an issue, they can always de-canonize it in favor of a new continuity. Fox has done it before.

You talking X-men when they had rights to them?

I meant like previous media of this franchise, AVP is no longer canon to Alien due to Prometheus and then that was doubled down with Covenant. Then there is the comics and novels, Fox reset the eu with fire and stone and the shadow/rage trilogy but again Covenant meant that those were no longer canon or at least some of them weren't.

Yah, tis a mess!
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 01:42:25 PM
I love it. Mostly.
I'd much rather have it all over the place like it is, than the alternative of a hyper managed canon or continuity, that decapitates anything interesting getting through.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 04, 2021, 04:45:14 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2021, 04:59:56 PM
Maybe they're hoping that Randy can turn it around.

Huda is actually a huge closet ACM fan, which is why he hasn't fixed the Wiki entry yet.

He'll vehemently deny it of course.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 04, 2021, 05:00:36 PM
Yeah, evident by the absolute state of the Michael Bishop page.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 16, 2021, 10:29:24 PM
GIVE ME NEWS, MY BRAIN MEATS HUNGER FOR INFORMATION
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Post by: Kradan on Feb 17, 2021, 12:10:56 AM
NO
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 12:14:25 AM
YES

Spoiler
yes yes yes
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[close]
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Feb 17, 2021, 06:12:25 AM
IF YOU HAVE ANY NEWS - IT'S A GOOD TIME TO SHARE THEM !
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 06:20:39 AM
SOMEBODY WAKE UP HICKS
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 17, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
*in a very formal voice* I cannot yet reveal further information.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 17, 2021, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 04, 2021, 04:45:14 PMHuda is actually a huge closet ACM fan, which is why he hasn't fixed the Wiki entry yet.

He'll vehemently deny it of course.

:laugh:

It's sad, but I've not been on the wiki in months. The house move is dragging out, we've no internet service in our temporary residence and the truth is I can't afford to use up our limited mobile data allowance editing there :(

Although I feel I should add that a big part of the problem is there's never been any official confirmation that ACM has been jettisoned for us to cite. Add to which, just because it's not canon any more, that doesn't mean it doesn't need mentioning on the site. It still exists. Cruentus was working on a system whereby we could have multiple disparate plot strands included simultaneously, but I don't know how far he got with it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 17, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
You're never going to get any. Best you can really take it from Drew.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 17, 2021, 10:50:54 AM
Yeah, we resigned ourselves a long time ago to the fact there'll likely never be any official word on canon, but it makes changes like that a real ballache to deal with.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 12:39:12 PM
Just link to his page on the matter, that's enough.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 17, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
*in a very formal voice* I cannot yet reveal further information.

(https://s2.gifyu.com/images/e99708f3-7a33-43ae-a83b-24e74a99da7d.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Feb 19, 2021, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 17, 2021, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 04, 2021, 04:45:14 PMHuda is actually a huge closet ACM fan, which is why he hasn't fixed the Wiki entry yet.

He'll vehemently deny it of course.

:laugh:

It's sad, but I've not been on the wiki in months. The house move is dragging out, we've no internet service in our temporary residence and the truth is I can't afford to use up our limited mobile data allowance editing there :(

Although I feel I should add that a big part of the problem is there's never been any official confirmation that ACM has been jettisoned for us to cite. Add to which, just because it's not canon any more, that doesn't mean it doesn't need mentioning on the site. It still exists. Cruentus was working on a system whereby we could have multiple disparate plot strands included simultaneously, but I don't know how far he got with it.
Actually, according to someone that worked on the Alien RPG, Fox doesn't consider ACM canon, the only traits from it that remain may be it's designs and technology, but everything else, specially the story, being considered "Legends".
https://roguereviewer.wordpress.com/2020/10/12/defining-canon-in-an-alien-world/
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Chomping at the bit for some news on this thing... Hoping we maybe get to hear something on April 26th, at least. If Disney even still plans to keep the "Alien Day" thing going.

Getting sick of the only Alien "news" out there being an endless string of We Got This Covered "scoops" over and over and over again. :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: MudButt on Mar 15, 2021, 04:30:07 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Chomping at the bit for some news on this thing... Hoping we maybe get to hear something on April 26th, at least. If Disney even still plans to keep the "Alien Day" thing going.

Getting sick of the only Alien "news" out there being an endless string of We Got This Covered "scoops" over and over and over again. :D

I tried to search for when the next round of Upfronts or a Disney/Hulu/Fox event is but found no info. Hopefully we hear something by summer! The comments made at the Disney investors day made it seem like they fast tracking this.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2021, 04:33:18 AM
Maybe at Disney Comic-Con or whatever it's called.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 05:11:39 AM
Zeeee D23! 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: MudButt on Mar 15, 2021, 05:20:45 AM
It's possible, if they do it this year. In the past they've primarily focused on the family content. Hulu may be too adult for that event.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 15, 2021, 09:29:09 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2021, 11:41:09 PMGetting sick of the only Alien "news" out there being an endless string of We Got This Covered "scoops" over and over and over again. :D

:laugh: Word.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 15, 2021, 04:30:07 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Chomping at the bit for some news on this thing... Hoping we maybe get to hear something on April 26th, at least. If Disney even still plans to keep the "Alien Day" thing going.

Getting sick of the only Alien "news" out there being an endless string of We Got This Covered "scoops" over and over and over again. :D

I tried to search for when the next round of Upfronts or a Disney/Hulu/Fox event is but found no info. Hopefully we hear something by summer! The comments made at the Disney investors day made it seem like they fast tracking this.

Yeah, saying "We're moving quickly" to a bunch of investors during Disney Investor Day could have possibly set an unreasonable more timely expectation for us fans. In development could mean they're actually currently working out the story and the scripts, and they're not moving at any faster pace than normal.  :-\
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: MudButt on Mar 15, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: MudButt on Mar 15, 2021, 04:30:07 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 14, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Chomping at the bit for some news on this thing... Hoping we maybe get to hear something on April 26th, at least. If Disney even still plans to keep the "Alien Day" thing going.

Getting sick of the only Alien "news" out there being an endless string of We Got This Covered "scoops" over and over and over again. :D

I tried to search for when the next round of Upfronts or a Disney/Hulu/Fox event is but found no info. Hopefully we hear something by summer! The comments made at the Disney investors day made it seem like they fast tracking this.

Yeah, saying "We're moving quickly" to a bunch of investors during Disney Investor Day could have possibly set an unreasonable more timely expectation for us fans. In development could mean they're actually currently working out the story and the scripts, and they're not moving at any faster pace than normal.  :-\

I've got a feeling we'll hear news soon.. Hawley pitched this to Fox back in 2019 before the merger. He's had the idea for some time now, I'm sure scripts weren't written until the greenlight was given but maybe he had an idea of the story he wanted to tell. I feel like we'll get some information this summer regarding directing & casting.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/noah-hawley-alien-tv-pitch-legion
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 07:05:47 PM
I don't want to give them any extra clicks, so I'm not going to link to the article itself (if you want to find it, it is easy enough to find), but We Got This Covered is getting to... some pretty absurd levels with their Alien "announcements" for projects that will be coming alongside this Noah Hawley-helmed series:

QuoteLuckily, we've had insider Daniel Richtman to deliver a constant stream of Alien-related news to keep us occupied over the last several months, with the tipster now claiming that Disney is reportedly developing a cinematic universe for the iconic sci-fi brand. There's no additional information provided, but it would go some way to explaining why he's been offering up a regular bombardment of potential projects that are said to be in the works without any of them actually materializing as of yet.

According to his intel, Disney have at various points discussed an Alien vs. Predator limited series, a PG-13 Disney Plus show, a new adventure spearheaded by James Cameron, another Ridley Scott effort not connected to his previous pair of prequels, a young Ripley story that may or may not be the same thing as the other Ripley-centric effort that he reported Sigourney Weaver was being eyed for, the return of the Alien Queen, an all-star team-up that would involve Ripley, Newt, Hicks and more, and Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5 being back on the table. But for now, none of the above have been confirmed by either Disney or 20th Century Studios.

:-X
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Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 15, 2021, 08:05:32 PM
Hahahahahahaha.


I had a feeling that this is where the franchise would go once Disney got a hold of it. 


Unverified, but not surprising. 
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2021, 08:21:13 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 15, 2021, 08:05:32 PM
Hahahahahahaha.


I had a feeling that this is where the franchise would go once Disney got a hold of it. 


Unverified, but not surprising. 

It's from the fakest site on the net, don't gloat just yet.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock at all into WGTC. But it is pretty wild seeing people reacting to this endless string of "announcements" with excitement.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
I've banned links to that being shared on the Facebook group. Might have to extend it to here and that includes quotes...  :P :laugh:
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 09:20:50 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
I've banned links to that being shared on the Facebook group. Might have to extend it to here and that includes quotes...  :P :laugh:

Touché! :D

The news drought for the Hawley show had me scraping corners of the internet to see what else was out there... and what else was out there was not pleasant!
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 09:57:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
I've banned links to that being shared on the Facebook group. Might have to extend it to here and that includes quotes...  :P :laugh:

I'm still waiting for my Quentin Tarantino Predator movie that they broke!
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Post by: Master on Mar 15, 2021, 10:31:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 15, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
I've banned links to that being shared on the Facebook group. Might have to extend it to here and that includes quotes...  :P :laugh:

Can't you spoil little something for us Boss? Ya'know, to make the wait abit less painful? We are on serious hunger right now.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2021, 10:33:40 PM
While the series will not be part of the Disney + family friendly content, I hope that one of the co-benefits of its growth in subscriptions will be a large audience for the Alien series at the sister streaming plataform.  :laugh:

https://twitter.com/marksweney/status/1371124225625399299




Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2021, 05:11:39 AM
Zeeee D23!

Exactly!  :laugh:
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
I can see them dropping something on April 26th, if they plan to keep Alien Day alive. Which, if they are, I guess we'll probably be hearing about that soon...

Just a crumb of info, please. I just want to know what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" actually means.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2021, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Just a crumb of info, please. I just want to know what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" actually means.

I wonder if in the time of the series we can have this kind of androids  :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/7Q5RqpP/Alien-Covenant-770x470.webp)
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2021, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Just a crumb of info, please. I just want to know what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" actually means.

I wonder if in the time of the series we can have this kind of androids  :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/7Q5RqpP/Alien-Covenant-770x470.webp)

Maybe we can get a live action Marcus... 8)
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Post by: MudButt on Mar 15, 2021, 11:01:24 PM
I truly hope Hawley goes more Fargo and less Legion for the series if I'm being honest. Legion had some great episodes and sequences but that show lost me at the end.

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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 16, 2021, 12:05:02 AM
She could be a great asset though.  8)

(https://i.ibb.co/2h0C5tk/ch-106-0523-h-2017-928x523.jpg)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 10:50:14 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 15, 2021, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Just a crumb of info, please. I just want to know what "Not too far in the future here on Earth" actually means.

I wonder if in the time of the series we can have this kind of androids  :laugh:

(https://i.ibb.co/7Q5RqpP/Alien-Covenant-770x470.webp)

Maybe we can get a live action Marcus... 8)

Michael Fassbender playing a TCF character?  :o

(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/tenor-7a4e82e65702eb9ab.gif)
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Post by: MudButt on Mar 16, 2021, 01:05:51 AM
I am all for Aubrey Plaza in this show. I hope he uses some prior cast members like Aubrey Plaza, Bokeem Woodbine, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Patrick Wilson.. and of course Nick Offerman  8)
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2021, 02:49:57 AM
Nick Offerman was excellent in Devs. Not sure how many other people saw it, but Devs was a really interesting science-fiction miniseries on FX/Hulu last year, from Alex Garland (Ex Machina, Annihilation).
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Post by: MudButt on Mar 16, 2021, 03:30:46 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 16, 2021, 02:49:57 AM
Nick Offerman was excellent in Devs. Not sure how many other people saw it, but Devs was a really interesting science-fiction miniseries on FX/Hulu last year, from Alex Garland (Ex Machina, Annihilation).

Never caught it but it looked interesting. May binge it soon  8)
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Post by: Kimarhi on Mar 16, 2021, 05:03:14 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2021, 08:21:13 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 15, 2021, 08:05:32 PM
Hahahahahahaha.


I had a feeling that this is where the franchise would go once Disney got a hold of it. 


Unverified, but not surprising. 









It's from the fakest site on the net, don't gloat just yet.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I will stay up a nights laughing if even half of it is true. 
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Post by: Evanus on Mar 16, 2021, 06:11:20 PM
Wait a minute, you're telling me we're not getting 10 tv shows and movies?!  >:(

But yeah, we really need some proper news lol
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 16, 2021, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 16, 2021, 05:03:14 AM
I will stay up a nights laughing if even half of it is true. 

They use the shotgun approach to made up shit and still haven't accurately predicted a single thing ever, to my knowledge.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 25, 2021, 11:42:22 AM
I hope it stays that way.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 02, 2021, 01:47:21 AM
Welp here we are in April. What's the over/under on finally getting some details about this thing on the 26th?
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 02, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
Hopefully something!
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 02, 2021, 02:00:18 AM
This was the saddest April 1 ever.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 10:45:12 AM
Is there even going to be an Alien Day 2021? I've not heard anything so far myself.
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Post by: Xiggz456 on Apr 02, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 02, 2021, 10:45:12 AM
Is there even going to be an Alien Day 2021? I've not heard anything so far myself.

Well the new novel Infiltrator releases 4/20 and issue #2 of the new comic releases 4/21. So those are both Alien week releases. As for the actual day, the new RPG Colonial Marine Manual will be released. Other than that I really hope we get an actual release date on the show as well as the new game.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 03, 2021, 01:18:12 PM
And a Steam sale on Alien also please.
Or add AVP 2010, and Isolation, and Fireteam to GoG.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 15, 2021, 09:58:34 PM
(https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/little.gif?resize=700%2C395&ssl=1)
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Post by: TomT on Apr 15, 2021, 11:27:28 PM
I really really hope this TV show will never happen and will be killed along the way. Terrible idea from start to finish. This franchise had enough.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 16, 2021, 03:12:42 AM
Giving it to Noah Hawley's a superb idea even if it's trash.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Gentleman Death on Apr 16, 2021, 05:18:44 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 16, 2021, 03:12:42 AM
Giving it to Noah Hawley's a superb idea even if it's trash.

He definitely knows how to tell a story 😎
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Post by: TomT on Apr 16, 2021, 06:49:59 AM
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Apr 16, 2021, 05:18:44 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 16, 2021, 03:12:42 AM
Giving it to Noah Hawley's a superb idea even if it's trash.

He definitely knows how to tell a story 😎
Yeah, Lucy In The Sky was a terrific piece of storytelling...
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 16, 2021, 02:06:00 PM
It's not like Ridley Scott's never created something on par, like G.I Jane for one example, but on the strength of his other work he's still worth my continued interest.
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Post by: TomT on Apr 16, 2021, 02:39:12 PM
G.I. Jane is not nearly as bad as Lucy In The Sky. I don't think Ridley ever nosedived as low as that movie.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 16, 2021, 02:44:38 PM
It's apples and oranges of awful.

Point being, especially with this being a TV Series that I'm still interested on the strength of Fargo, and Legion in particular.
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Post by: Gentleman Death on Apr 16, 2021, 03:45:48 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 16, 2021, 02:44:38 PM
It's apples and oranges of awful.

Point being, especially with this being a TV Series that I'm still interested on the strength of Fargo, and Legion in particular.

Never watched Lucy but with Fargo and Legion, the stories and progression of characters were great.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 16, 2021, 03:56:28 PM


If we get something even half as good as this here we will have struck gold.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 25, 2021, 04:02:23 AM
Oh hey, it is midnight over here (4/25) in my neck of the woods, which means it is now officially T-minus one day until 4/26.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 04:16:52 AM
Give me something Noah!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 25, 2021, 04:21:51 AM
That Russell Crowe movie about the big flood?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 04:24:26 AM
The flood of the Alien species that attacks earth yes? I will take that.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 25, 2021, 04:25:15 AM
I thought you hated the idea of an Earth War scenario.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 25, 2021, 04:29:51 AM
Maybe the Derelict was an ark?

lul wow.. I actually never had this thought before now..   
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 25, 2021, 04:32:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 25, 2021, 04:25:15 AM
I thought you hated the idea of an Earth War scenario.

I'm just starved bro
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Post by: David Weyland on Apr 25, 2021, 11:29:15 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 25, 2021, 04:29:51 AM
Maybe the Derelict was an ark?

lul wow.. I actually never had this thought before now..

The Ark that infected its Noah
Righteous
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Post by: seattle24 on Apr 26, 2021, 07:40:30 AM
Would love to hear something today. Highly doubt we will, but one can hope.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 12:19:09 PM
Happy Alien Day, folks. Now we wait with bated breath.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2021, 01:11:06 PM
I would advise not to hold it though. I'm not expecting anything today.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2021, 01:11:06 PM
I would advise not to hold it though. I'm not expecting anything today.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/a21aa2b0d2058fe6cc0e6eeda211c74d/tenor.png)
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 26, 2021, 01:22:04 PM
They better not skip out on the Alien³ 30th Anniversary next year!
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 26, 2021, 01:35:14 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2021, 01:11:06 PM
I would advise not to hold it though. I'm not expecting anything today.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/a21aa2b0d2058fe6cc0e6eeda211c74d/tenor.png)

:laugh:  As long as you're not taking the disappointment too dramatically...

But putting laughs aside, even if Noah snapped a pic of say... the cover to the pilot script... and tweeted it out with a "Happy Alien Day!", I think even that fans would still definitely appreciate.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 26, 2021, 01:35:14 PM
But putting laughs aside, even if Noah snapped a pic of say... the cover to the pilot script... and tweeted it out with a "Happy Alien Day!", I think even that fans would still definitely appreciate.

Aye, just some form or acknowledgement that it exists. :D
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Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 26, 2021, 02:01:08 PM
2021, the year Alien Day died. It was a nice little run while it lasted.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 02:09:10 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 26, 2021, 02:01:08 PM
2021, the year Alien Day died. It was a nice little run while it lasted.

What do you mean, Fortnite made a post! Alien Day is THRIVING. :D
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 26, 2021, 02:39:25 PM
Kill me now please
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
From now on Alien's day is only celebrated in Fornite.

Actually, I predict once the series is ready, you will be able to watch it only via Fortnite.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
From now on Alien's day is only celebrated in Fornite.

Actually, I predict once the series is ready, you will be able to watch it only via Fortnite.

Chris Nolan, is that you?
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 26, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
You're thinking of JJ Abrams.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 26, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
You're thinking of JJ Abrams.

Tenet's trailer debut says otherwise. ;)
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Post by: Kradan on Apr 26, 2021, 03:24:05 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 26, 2021, 02:39:25 PM
Kill me now please

Where I can send you cyanide ?
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 02:58:18 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 26, 2021, 02:54:44 PM
You're thinking of JJ Abrams.

Tenet's trailer debut says otherwise. ;)

Exactly!  :laugh:

I don't think Noah Hawley is going to do that, but it would be funny. 
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 26, 2021, 04:44:12 PM
Ugh disgusting.
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Post by: Evanus on Apr 26, 2021, 08:00:06 PM
I'm pretty sure they forgot they even announced this lol
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 26, 2021, 08:09:10 PM
This man show is not dead!

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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 26, 2021, 10:19:22 PM
Excerpt from an interview with the Phillip Kennedy Johnson, author of Marvel's current ongoing Alien comic:

QuoteHow is it to be one of the first people to touch the Alien franchise since Disney acquired Fox?

PKJ: It was a huge vote of confidence on the part of Marvel and 20th Century Studios, which I was super grateful for, but honestly, an even bigger thrill for me personally. I'm the biggest damn Alien fan alive, that's just the truth. I could have gotten the call to do this at any time in the past 20 years and I would have been all caught up, ready to go, no research necessary.

Probably the most exciting part of it is that, with Marvel and 20th Century being part of the same company now, and the upcoming TV show being produced, we're all adding to the same tapestry, collaborating to grow the Alien universe together in a way that feels super cohesive and consistent. Worldbuilding has always been my favorite part of writing, and playing in such a gigantic sandbox is unbelievably cool and rewarding.

https://discussingfilm.net/2021/04/26/alien-comic-scribe-phillip-kennedy-johnson-nerds-out-over-new-marvel-series/amp/
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 26, 2021, 10:29:33 PM
Well, I know this will be taken as a bad thing for some, but I'm all for cohesive and consistent.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:51:49 PM
"Collaborating to grow the Alien universe together in a way that feels super cohesive and consistent"

How can that be interpreted?  :laugh: multiverse, crossovers? The only thing for sure is that it makes me feel in two ways  :laugh:

Spoiler
(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/tenor-5.gif)

Spoiler
(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/200-2f716844e7171b20b.th.gif)
[close]
[close]
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 26, 2021, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:51:49 PM
:laugh: multiverse, crossovers?

Sounds like the opposite to me.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 26, 2021, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:51:49 PM
:laugh: multiverse, crossovers?

Sounds like the opposite to me.

I hope you're riggt.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2021, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 26, 2021, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:51:49 PM
:laugh: multiverse, crossovers?

Sounds like the opposite to me.

I do wonder, though, how continuity is going to work moving forward between Dark Horse/Titan/Marvel. The Titan stuff seemed to have been drawing from Dark Horse's foundation in the last few years (with Zula, for example, appearing in one of the books if I'm not mistaken), but Johnson is here talking of one single continuity while writing for Marvel, and we know that with Into Charybdis White was working with Disney contacts through Titan, rather than Fox contacts like the process of writing The Cold Forge. I feel like there are bound to be complications between the Dark Horse and Marvel works, at the very least, with Titan materials caught in the middle.

And then an inevitable movie or show that will come along and sweep all of it under the rug again, starting the process anew.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 27, 2021, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2021, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 26, 2021, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 26, 2021, 10:51:49 PM
:laugh: multiverse, crossovers?

Sounds like the opposite to me.

I do wonder, though, how continuity is going to work moving forward between Dark Horse/Titan/Marvel. The Titan stuff seemed to have been drawing from Dark Horse's foundation in the last few years (with Zula, for example, appearing in one of the books if I'm not mistaken), but Johnson is here talking of one single continuity while writing for Marvel, and we know that with Into Charybdis White was working with Disney contacts through Titan, rather than Fox contacts like the process of writing The Cold Forge. I feel like there are bound to be complications between the Dark Horse and Marvel works, at the very least, with Titan materials caught in the middle.

And then an inevitable movie or show that will come along and sweep all of it under the rug again, starting the process anew.

Because of that last sentence, the former stuff isn't anything I'm losing sleep over.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2021, 12:32:28 AM
Hopefully the cohesive universe will keep the prequel elements, which seems to be the case if you take into account the Fire Team game &  Into Charybdis. Seriously, with the latest prequel uncertain to happen, it's better than nothing. At least part of that legacy is not entirely lost.
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Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 27, 2021, 12:52:28 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2021, 12:32:28 AM
Hopefully the cohesive universe will keep the prequel elements, which seems to be the if you take into account the Fire Team game &  Into Charybdis. Seriously, with the latest prequel uncertain to happen, it's better than nothing. At least part of that legacy is not entirely lost.
Agreed, and if the prequels stay canon, we can hold out hope for answers in flashbacks or something.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2021, 01:15:26 AM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Apr 27, 2021, 12:52:28 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 27, 2021, 12:32:28 AM
Hopefully the cohesive universe will keep the prequel elements, which seems to be the if you take into account the Fire Team game &  Into Charybdis. Seriously, with the latest prequel uncertain to happen, it's better than nothing. At least part of that legacy is not entirely lost.
Agreed, and if the prequels stay canon, we can hold out hope for answers in flashbacks or something.

I wonder if Noah Hawley knows the prequels, and if so what would he think of them? Hopefully something enough good so he is seriously considering including part of that in his streaming series.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2021, 01:28:23 AM
Hopefully the Ridley Scott-sized elephant in the room will see to that.
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Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 27, 2021, 03:35:20 PM
This Noah bloke better watch his step or the elephant in the room will Blomkamp him.  :P
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Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 27, 2021, 11:01:57 PM
Hawley might need to watch out for scott, but Scott will have to watch out for the Disney producers.  If Disney wants a more normal trilogy era based series then that is what they will get.  Scott be damned.


HOWEVER, the good news for prequel fans is that it seems that Disney/Marvel/Titan are eating the black goo shit up, so nothing to be worried about. 

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Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 27, 2021, 11:01:57 PM
HOWEVER, the good news for prequel fans is that it seems that Disney/Marvel/Titan are eating the black goo shit up, so nothing to be worried about.

I don't get it.  The black goo is painfully boring to me.  I didn't even like it when The X-Files did it first.
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Post by: Evanus on Apr 27, 2021, 11:09:46 PM
Doubt we'll see any of that in the live action projects anyway.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 27, 2021, 11:20:26 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 27, 2021, 11:01:58 PM
HOWEVER, the good news for prequel fans is that it seems that Disney/Marvel/Titan are eating the black goo shit up, so nothing to be worried about.

I don't get it.  The black goo is painfully boring to me.  I didn't even like it when The X-Files did it first.

It rules in the right hands: see Alex White's writing.
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Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 11:35:31 PM
I read The Cold Forge, but I still don't see the appeal.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 27, 2021, 11:45:52 PM
To be honest he gave it scientific basis, that it desperately required, then it affected someone in a narratively and thematically interesting way in the following story instead of just being a driving force.
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Post by: Gentleman Death on Apr 28, 2021, 12:36:01 AM
I was very much hesitant about the whole black goo thing but White has done a good job in grounding it and making it something more interesting which can be expanded on if handled correctly.

I'm still iffy with it but definitely more open to it than before.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 28, 2021, 12:46:17 AM
I agree.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 11:05:18 PM
I don't get it.  The black goo is painfully boring to me.  I didn't even like it when The X-Files did it first.

That's Scott's one. Things have changed since White's books.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 28, 2021, 02:08:48 AM
I like it in Covenant not so much in Prometheus but agreed.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 28, 2021, 02:31:42 AM
Oh yeah, there was an improved with Covenant without a doubt.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 28, 2021, 02:35:30 AM
I loved the whole naturalist angle, and although it is not explicitly defined on film, you can see the patterns in things it does in David's Drawings.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 28, 2021, 02:38:17 AM
I hear what you're saying, and I love the drawings. The victorian naturalistic style of everything, something never seen before in Alien.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 02:41:24 AM
Hammer Horror David.

Give him a sequel, please.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 28, 2021, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2021, 11:35:31 PM
I read The Cold Forge, but I still don't see the appeal.

If I can paraphrase Lovecraft and Dark Horse EU, with a liberal sprinkle of headcanon; it's the dormant liquid form of something that always was and always will be, but currently isn't.


And you might get something that's aesthetic but lacks The Skull if you let that logic revert far enough to an apex form so don't gripe.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 28, 2021, 09:10:44 AM
If I can paraphrase Lovecraft and Dark Horse EU, with a liberal sprinkle of headcanon; it's the dormant liquid form of something that always was and always will be, but currently isn't.

This is the gist of where my thoughts were after the release of Prometheus; from that movie, without the recontextualization that came with Covenant, my takeaway was that the Alien was either natural or was created even before the Engineers, and that the pathogen was the Engineers attempt to distill/control the Alien in a more manageable form. Of course, we learn in the film that even the goo form proved to be too much for the Engineers to handle and it destroyed the LV-223 installation and killed all but one Engineer. Much like humans at Weyland-Yutani and the USM meddling with things they don't understand, the Engineers too were in over their heads and unable to control their experiments.
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Post by: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 09:48:39 PM
I havent read cold forge but prometheus and covenant and fire and stone and other material seem to me just make the pathogen to a: it does whatever the story writer wants it to and not much logic to it.

Prometheus showed us the black go creates life and created humans, and it also mutate anything it touches to new creatures, and if eaten and the species mate it will produce a new lifeform.
And then we have the murals and we know they had deacons and xenos before hand. Also what the green crystal does with the pathogen is unknown.
We also know the pathogen is a weapon and kills and melts whatever it touches and not transform the creatures into new things, going against what we saw in prometheus.
and now it creates wildlife and flora too and spores that makes backbursters and the new white creatures I cant remember the name of.
In the books and comics we see the pathogen mutate things and not kill and even make hybrids, humana nd alien thing.

To me it does anything xD
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Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 28, 2021, 09:52:44 PM
Would now be a suitable time to say it?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 10:02:05 PM
To add on to my above post, and to recontextualize it in the wake of Covenant – I obviously now no longer see the pathogen as the distilled form of the capital-A Alien, but rather, it is the raw material in its creation. I don't know if the Engineers created the pathogen, or if they found it thousands of years ago, but either way it is an ancient and mysterious biological matter and, in their time with the pathogen, the Engineers seem to have experimented and discovered properties that lead to the birth of the Deacon and other similar creatures, which are what the Engineers have depicted in the LV-223 installation's mural. The process through which the pathogen infects and changes lifeforms seems to be randomized, unless guided by an outside force, but with several dominant, consistent traits that can be harnessed and shaped to yield a desired result (acid blood, the elongated head, the gestation period inside a living host, etc). David, through his own experimentation with the pathogen, created his own perfect organism with a more rigidly defined lifecycle, the Alien that we know from the original films, and in a sense became a god/creator in a way that transcends what the Engineers before him had managed to achieve in their own experimentation with the pathogen.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 28, 2021, 10:08:16 PM
Prometheus does not show it creating humans though, it shows an Engineer drinking an unspecified liquid, then being disintegrated and spreading his DNA in the water that's all.

The Pathogen as we know it causes death, either by cellular breakdown, or by creating a hybrid form, that always develop identifiably similar features.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 02, 2021, 01:28:34 AM
QuoteThe Pathogen's internally consistent with obvious rules, within the films themselves, mainly Alien Covenant though I believe.

It does not result in the biomechanical for a start in fact the opposite. But with other things present recognisable in the titular Alien. Simplest organisms logically appear to change the fastest like Demodex folliculorum or Demodex brevis most often visible in the eye or worms becoming Hammerpedes.

As stated it's designed to clean a planet of all non-botanical life. To achieve this it ultimately either kills you outright or creates a hybrid form, the former we see with the Engineers on Planet 4 and with the Engineers on LV-223, the other we see with what happened to Doctor Charlie Holloway and Sean Fifield and the exploding head. (Becoming unstable hybrid forms themselves with high aggression, bulbous, bloated, with further distending arms and legs, pale skin and a overall virulent infected appearance- hence Prometheus the film mentioning Ebola in the story multiple times for a real life comparison) And afterwards it spawns Neomorphs from Motes and Pods. (hybrid forms) I do not think it's as complex as appearances suggest.

"The Deacon" (In essence a Neomorph itself in all but origin) only exists because by David's own admission the Pathogen reacts to human sexual organs in an alternate way, hence he uses Doctor Elizabeth Shaw's to fashion the Alien, and bring an equally worthy artificial intelligence in his eyes into existence.

Because in terms of function it's all in essence identical:

A Pathogen infected sperm and ovum/Pod/Egg
Trilobite/Mote/Facehugger
Deacon/Neomorph/Alien

And Alien The RPG, The Cold Forge and Into Charybdis, expand on this in logical ways.
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Post by: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 10:19:29 PM
Thought it was pretty clear it was the pathogen but its something that has never been clearly explained.

Still the pathogen in the comics made it do other things than that you explained and parts of prometheus, and it in covenant made plants and different creatures, which didnt follow that path.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 28, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
I'm talking what's currently considered canon and in the currently considered continuity.

David explains fairly clearly it's function.

It only targets fauna not flora.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 28, 2021, 10:39:23 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 10:02:05 PM
To add on to my above post, and to recontextualize it in the wake of Covenant – I obviously now no longer see the pathogen as the distilled form of the capital-A Alien, but rather, it is the raw material in its creation. I don't know if the Engineers created the pathogen, or if they found it thousands of years ago, but either way it is an ancient and mysterious biological matter and, in their time with the pathogen, the Engineers seem to have experimented and discovered properties that lead to the birth of the Deacon and other similar creatures, which are what the Engineers have depicted in the LV-223 installation's mural. The process through which the pathogen infects and changes lifeforms seems to be randomized, unless guided by an outside force, but with several dominant, consistent traits that can be harnessed and shaped to yield a desired result (acid blood, the elongated head, the gestation period inside a living host, etc). David, through his own experimentation with the pathogen, created his own perfect organism with a more rigidly defined lifecycle, the Alien that we know from the original films, and in a sense became a god/creator in a way that transcends what the Engineers before him had managed to achieve in their own experimentation with the pathogen.

I don't think the specific nature of the relation to Big Chaps et al changes my take on it, those are just what the PervBot9000 did with it.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Apr 28, 2021, 10:39:23 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 10:02:05 PM
To add on to my above post, and to recontextualize it in the wake of Covenant – I obviously now no longer see the pathogen as the distilled form of the capital-A Alien, but rather, it is the raw material in its creation. I don't know if the Engineers created the pathogen, or if they found it thousands of years ago, but either way it is an ancient and mysterious biological matter and, in their time with the pathogen, the Engineers seem to have experimented and discovered properties that lead to the birth of the Deacon and other similar creatures, which are what the Engineers have depicted in the LV-223 installation's mural. The process through which the pathogen infects and changes lifeforms seems to be randomized, unless guided by an outside force, but with several dominant, consistent traits that can be harnessed and shaped to yield a desired result (acid blood, the elongated head, the gestation period inside a living host, etc). David, through his own experimentation with the pathogen, created his own perfect organism with a more rigidly defined lifecycle, the Alien that we know from the original films, and in a sense became a god/creator in a way that transcends what the Engineers before him had managed to achieve in their own experimentation with the pathogen.

I don't think the specific nature of the relation to Big Chaps etc al changes my take on it, those are just what the PervBot9000 did with it.

The only thing that's really changed for me since the Covenant release is that I had it in my head was my original idea circa 2012 that the Big Chap form pre-dated the pathogen; nowadays, like you said, I see the Alien as what David did with the pathogen, and recognize the pathogen itself (as the raw material) had been used to spawn similar, but not quite the same, entities in the past a la the Deacon.

The pathogen itself now takes the place in the franchise as the ancient, eldritch form so much larger and more complex than anything that we can truly comprehend, with which Engineers and humans and androids alike merely play with without understanding the full nature of.
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Post by: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
How do we know its that old and ancient and bigger than engineers/humans etc? Thought the engineers invented the pathogen and its mostly fan theories that speculate its from big chap and being super old and predating everything etc, could go either way from my knowledge, although your idea is the more interesting one.

if this is told in the cold forge or the newest novel then I have missed it :P
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
How do we know its that old and ancient and bigger than engineers/humans etc? Thought the engineers invented the pathogen and its mostly fan theories that speculate its from big chap and being super old and predating everything etc, could go either way from my knowledge, although your idea is the more interesting one.

if this is told in the cold forge or the newest novel then I have missed it :P

We don't know if the Engineers created the pathogen, or if they found it. Until a source says otherwise, I'm inclined to think that the Engineers stumbled upon the pathogen and began to harness it in their experiments, the seeding of life, etc. without ever truly understanding it fully.

We do, however, know that the pathogen is not derived from the capital-A Alien, since the Alien as we know it from the original films isn't created until Covenant.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 29, 2021, 01:40:24 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
How do we know its that old and ancient and bigger than engineers/humans etc? Thought the engineers invented the pathogen and its mostly fan theories that speculate its from big chap and being super old and predating everything etc, could go either way from my knowledge, although your idea is the more interesting one.

if this is told in the cold forge or the newest novel then I have missed it :P

Plagiarus Praepotens is the genetically resequenced pathogen, according to Alex White:

Is the mysterious Plagiarus Praepotens the same as the Black Goo from Prometheus or Alien: Covenant?

Alex White: Yep. Same stuff, re-sequenced by David, Linnaeus-style.


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Plagiarus praepotens (plagiarus linesteres in the case of praetomorphs) is a mutagen agent introduced by a facehugger into the host to create an Alien embryo.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 29, 2021, 02:11:23 AM
The idea of the pathogen being able to be "coded" in these various fashions, as presented in the prequel films and the Alex White novels, is one that intrigues me immensely – one that I also feel could go hand in hand with the biomechanical self-augmentation of the Engineers (thus allowing them create/shape a member of their species into the Space Jockey, as well as likely serving as the source of the potentially "living" biomechanical Derelict).
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 29, 2021, 02:20:41 AM
It's like an artificial intelligence or biochemical machinery that David reconfigured.

The Space Jockey is an Elder Thing transformed by Yog-Sothoth?  8)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2021, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
How do we know its that old and ancient and bigger than engineers/humans etc? Thought the engineers invented the pathogen and its mostly fan theories that speculate its from big chap and being super old and predating everything etc, could go either way from my knowledge, although your idea is the more interesting one.

if this is told in the cold forge or the newest novel then I have missed it :P

We don't know if the Engineers created the pathogen, or if they found it. Until a source says otherwise, I'm inclined to think that the Engineers stumbled upon the pathogen and began to harness it in their experiments, the seeding of life, etc. without ever truly understanding it fully.

We do, however, know that the pathogen is not derived from the capital-A Alien, since the Alien as we know it from the original films isn't created until Covenant.

Dan O'Bannon predicted it  :laugh:

"Alien went to where the Old Ones lived, to their very world of origin ... That baneful little storm-lashed planetoid halfway across the galaxy was a fragment of the Old Ones' home-world, and the Alien a blood relative of Yog-Sothoth."
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 29, 2021, 03:16:02 AM
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 29, 2021, 07:58:27 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 09:48:39 PMI havent read cold forge but prometheus and covenant and fire and stone and other material seem to me just make the pathogen to a: it does whatever the story writer wants it to and not much logic to it.

That's my big issue with it. It's just f**king random with no apparent rules or internal logic.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 29, 2021, 08:08:59 AM
It does have an internal logic though it just excludes the stuff that did not interprete it correctly prior to Prometheus' sequel.
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Post by: TC on Apr 29, 2021, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 29, 2021, 07:58:27 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 09:48:39 PMI havent read cold forge but prometheus and covenant and fire and stone and other material seem to me just make the pathogen to a: it does whatever the story writer wants it to and not much logic to it.

That's my big issue with it. It's just f**king random with no apparent rules or internal logic.

Without the rules or logic having been explained to me (I haven't read Cold Forge either), it feels like it's crossed the boundary from sci-fi to magic, like a Harry Potter spell to transform into a wolf, or Tony Stark nano-tech that morphs his armour into anything else he needs at the time. Even the Force is reinventing itself with new powers as the need arises.

TC
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 29, 2021, 11:52:03 AM
I don't really see the Iron Man nano-tech armor as being magic. That's science in the same vein as the T-1000's abilities in Terminator 2: Judgement Day. Silly movie science, absolutely, but still science for all intents and purposes. The Force, on the other hand? Definitely magic; Star Wars has been a fantasy story dressed to look like sci-fi since day one.

As for the pathogen, it's hard to put so fine a point on it because, even with us now knowing more about its properties and applications than we did in 2012 with Prometheus' release, we still don't have a full comprehension of it, nor do we know its origins, and each new writer seems to be able to add new abilities to its wheelhouse of applications under new circumstances.

Is the pathogen magic or science or some weird hybrid of the two? Well, how would one describe any given eldritch horror in a Lovecraft story? Some kind of mixture of both? Do those labels even matter at that point? It just is what it is, I'd say.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2021, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 29, 2021, 07:58:27 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 09:48:39 PMI havent read cold forge but prometheus and covenant and fire and stone and other material seem to me just make the pathogen to a: it does whatever the story writer wants it to and not much logic to it.

That's my big issue with it. It's just f**king random with no apparent rules or internal logic.

It's

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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 29, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: TC on Apr 29, 2021, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 29, 2021, 07:58:27 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 09:48:39 PMI havent read cold forge but prometheus and covenant and fire and stone and other material seem to me just make the pathogen to a: it does whatever the story writer wants it to and not much logic to it.

That's my big issue with it. It's just f**king random with no apparent rules or internal logic.

Without the rules or logic having been explained to me (I haven't read Cold Forge either), it feels like it's crossed the boundary from sci-fi to magic, like a Harry Potter spell to transform into a wolf, or Tony Stark nano-tech that morphs his armour into anything else he needs at the time. Even the Force is reinventing itself with new powers as the need arises.

TC

I am missing the organism (possibly with acidic blood) growing from 50 cm to 2 m in less than 24 hours, not to mention the food source for the already impossible process for a vertebrate organism of that size.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 29, 2021, 12:52:13 PM
It's always funny to me when people claim that the prequels washed away anything "Lovecraftian" about the original film when, really, those two films (love 'em, hate 'em, whatever) mostly just open up a whole new can of worms that emphasize the weirder elements of the original Alien (the rapid growth and the ability to bond with and take traits from the host's biological matter, for example) that I would certainly describe as follows:

QuoteLovecraftian horror, sometimes used interchangeably with "cosmic horror" is a subgenre of horror fiction and weird fiction that emphasizes the horror of the unknowable and incomprehensible more than gore or other elements of shock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovecraftian_horror

We don't completely understand how the pathogen came to be, where it originates from, or the full extent of what can be done with it; we do know, however, that it has built in traits that can be honed and expanded upon, allowing for any entity experimenting with it in tandem with different biological matter to uniquely create or release something as primordial as the Deacon or, in the hands of one who considers himself a rather expert artisan (and a god, all the same), David's "Perfect Organism" that we all know and love from the original films. But those are just seemingly two ends of a rather diverse spectrum of creations, in which a multitude of other "unknowable and incomprehensible" iterations can and presumably do exist, just waiting for a new set of hands to shape and guide the pathogen in a unique, creative way. That's where something like the result of the experimentation in Into Charybdis becomes really interesting to me...

The division between "science" and "magic" does indeed start to blur, but the pathogen does function, in a sense, like a biomechanical nano-technology, capable of being both reprogramed and grafted onto biological material in such a way that it can yield all manner of "unknowable and incomprehensible" eldritch horrors.

We humans were created by the Enginners simply because they could. Our creation, an android that was created with a similar nonchalant intent, then picked up the pieces left by those old spacefaring gods and surpassing humans in order to create something he deems to be beautiful and perfect. Where does that leave us humans, insignificant pawns navigating this dangerous universe in which we have no true place or cause?
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Post by: TC on Apr 29, 2021, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 29, 2021, 11:52:03 AM
I don't really see the Iron Man nano-tech armor as being magic. That's science in the same vein as the T-1000's abilities in Terminator 2: Judgement Day.

I guess so. But what makes the "science" in T2 acceptable is the careful explanation of the limits governing the T1000's morphing abilities (no complex parts like a gun or a bomb, just stabbing and cutting weapons). Explaining the limits of your futuristic tech is an important part of science fiction storytelling, and Cameron read enough sci-fi as a kid to know the rules.

Re: the pathogen. One of the things that captured my attention with Alien '79 is how "down-to-earth" the setting is (forgive the contradiction of terms). Truck drivers in space, blue collar workers, steam pipes and relief valves, everyone works in their shirt sleeves etc. This was all very relatable to us in the late 20th Century. The marines fire projectile weapons, not laser guns; there's no "transporter" for teleporting you down to the planet, no "replicator" for magicking up any food you desire. The story 'verse of Alien (and Aliens) is not very far from our own. Everything is grounded in a real-world sensibility. I think this was an integral part of the tonal texture of the story world that O'Bannon wrote. 

And the same thing applied to the creature itself. There's a quote somewhere in which he says the alien was not a monster gifted with supernatural abilities. Rather, he intended a believable, alien animal that had a logical biology with a decipherable life cycle. Not some creature that if you dismembered it and chucked off your spaceship at 10,000 feet, that its limbs would hit the ground and magically reconstitute itself.

I prefer the O'Bannon take that we saw in Alien '79.

And as much as i like Prometheus and Covenant, for me, they do not play in the same sandbox.


Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 29, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
I am missing the organism (possibly with acidic blood) growing from 50 cm to 2 m in less than 24 hours, not to mention the food source for the already impossible process for a vertebrate organism of that size.

And here we are back to the ole' "scientific inaccuracies in the films" topic. LOL!

The difference is that these cases you bring up, and others besides, are flaws, plain and simple (some knowingly made, others out of ignorance), whereas what I'm talking about is a lack of understanding of the storytelling craft itself, specifically as it pertains to science fiction. You must address the audience's big questions about the capabilities and limitations of your newly author-invented tech.

If the question is only small, i.e. obscure and minor (such as how a chestburster grows into an adult), then the writer will probably choose not to derail the momentum of the story by adding the complexity that the explanation will require. OTOH, if the question is so egregious that it harms the audience's immersion in the entire story, then that explanation is necessary. In the case of T2, the audience needed to know what the abilities of the T1000 were in order to understand the threat and gauge our heroes' chances of defeating it. That engaged our interest in their plight so much more.

How do you tell one case from the other? Well, as a writer, I guess you would use your artistic sensibilities, based on experience, talent and knowledge. Or maybe just read lots of science fiction and go to the movies so often that the "rules" just trickle into your brain. LOL 

In T2, I bet Cameron simply felt that by the time Arnie and John Conner got to the scene with the street punks that Arnie almost kills, that the audience is craving some kind of explanation as to what the shape-shifting T1000 is. So Arnie tells us. Whereas when Brett is confronted by the adult alien having last seen it as a small chestburster, no-one in the audience was craving an answer as to how it grew so quickly. Were Cameron and O'Bannon right? You tell me.    :)

TC
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 29, 2021, 06:10:05 PM
Targeting an ecosystem's fauna but not the flora, and either killing outright, or creating a hybrid form with features of the Alien apart from the biomechanics becoming present's enough definition for me personally.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Apr 29, 2021, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2021, 12:21:41 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 29, 2021, 07:58:27 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 28, 2021, 09:48:39 PMI havent read cold forge but prometheus and covenant and fire and stone and other material seem to me just make the pathogen to a: it does whatever the story writer wants it to and not much logic to it.

That's my big issue with it. It's just f**king random with no apparent rules or internal logic.

It's

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(https://i.gifer.com/24ME.gif)

So, I'll take that you liked it ?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Apr 30, 2021, 02:12:59 AM
There is something off with the presentation of Prometheus and Covenant.  I'm not sure what it is, but Prometheus especially reminded me more of AvP than it did Alien.  Covenant was more a step in the right direction but there was still something missing. 

Being "off" in presentation/tone etc is why I can't stand Resurrection.




Its also why I don't think Temple of Doom or Chronicles of Riddick are as good as the movies before or after them. 

To be honest there is more you can do with the black goo because the writers can literally make it do whatever it is they want (and it can still be a type of WMD threat even without turning anything into a monster), but I personally hope that the series follows more of the OG Trilogy than anything else in the series. 


Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 03:15:00 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Apr 30, 2021, 02:12:59 AM
Prometheus especially reminded me more of AvP than it did Alien. 

Same but different.

Spoiler
But still same.
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2021, 05:33:16 AM
Prometheus and AVP, to me, overlap in the sense that they are drawing on abandoned O'Bannon ideas that ultimately end up serving as the backbone for an "Ancient Alien Theory" tale, but I find Prometheus' approach to be significantly more interesting (conceptually and visually) despite the movie being an absolute mess structurally.

Now granted, I'm also biased in that the AVP concept as a whole just isn't for me, and in that I've never liked anything Paul WS Anderson has made.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Apr 30, 2021, 08:36:56 AM
Fair enough
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 29, 2021, 12:52:13 PM
It's always funny to me when people claim that the prequels washed away anything "Lovecraftian" about the original film when, really, those two films (love 'em, hate 'em, whatever) mostly just open up a whole new can of worms that emphasize the weirder elements of the original Alien (the rapid growth and the ability to bond with and take traits from the host's biological matter, for example) that I would certainly describe as follows:

QuoteLovecraftian horror, sometimes used interchangeably with "cosmic horror" is a subgenre of horror fiction and weird fiction that emphasizes the horror of the unknowable and incomprehensible more than gore or other elements of shock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovecraftian_horror

We don't completely understand how the pathogen came to be, where it originates from, or the full extent of what can be done with it; we do know, however, that it has built in traits that can be honed and expanded upon, allowing for any entity experimenting with it in tandem with different biological matter to uniquely create or release something as primordial as the Deacon or, in the hands of one who considers himself a rather expert artisan (and a god, all the same), David's "Perfect Organism" that we all know and love from the original films. But those are just seemingly two ends of a rather diverse spectrum of creations, in which a multitude of other "unknowable and incomprehensible" iterations can and presumably do exist, just waiting for a new set of hands to shape and guide the pathogen in a unique, creative way. That's where something like the result of the experimentation in Into Charybdis becomes really interesting to me...

The division between "science" and "magic" does indeed start to blur, but the pathogen does function, in a sense, like a biomechanical nano-technology, capable of being both reprogramed and grafted onto biological material in such a way that it can yield all manner of "unknowable and incomprehensible" eldritch horrors.

We humans were created by the Enginners simply because they could. Our creation, an android that was created with a similar nonchalant intent, then picked up the pieces left by those old spacefaring gods and surpassing humans in order to create something he deems to be beautiful and perfect. Where does that leave us humans, insignificant pawns navigating this dangerous universe in which we have no true place or cause?

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Hypothetically speaking, I could bet that if I traveled to an ancient era with a drone, I would be perceived as a wizard  :laugh:

(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/giphy-403ad6a477e138916.gif)

(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/PS_Wingardium_Leviosa_feather.gif)

Now imagine an alien technology so advanced, that it is perceived as magical by the human eyes of the 21st century.  :o

Excellent post NA. Clarke's three laws? That quote fascinates me. I mean the line between black pathogen like magic and science too advanced for our understanding is too thin. But with later installments, like White's books, we are understanding a little more about it. There is a lovecraftian vibe out there and on a metafiction level, since when the answers are unknown to the character, such answers became unknowable to the audience.




Quote from: TC on Apr 29, 2021, 03:26:01 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 29, 2021, 12:49:20 PM
I am missing the organism (possibly with acidic blood) growing from 50 cm to 2 m in less than 24 hours, not to mention the food source for the already impossible process for a vertebrate organism of that size.
You must address the audience's big questions about the capabilities and limitations of your newly author-invented tech.

TC

Oh, but we know about the capabilities and limitations of the pathogen, as TQ has already pointed out:

Capabilities: Can kill the fauna of an ecosystem, and create aggressive hybrids.

Limitations: It doesn't kill the flora, although that seems to be part of the main goal.

The second prequel is a Prometheus soft reboot. What you saw there was recontextualized through Covenant worldbuilding.




Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2021, 05:33:16 AM
Prometheus and AVP, to me, overlap in the sense that they are drawing on abandoned O'Bannon ideas that ultimately end up serving as the backbone for an "Ancient Alien Theory" tale, but I find Prometheus' approach to be significantly more interesting (conceptually and visually) despite the movie being an absolute mess structurally.

Now granted, I'm also biased in that the AVP concept as a whole just isn't for me, and in that I've never liked anything Paul WS Anderson has made.

I think Charles's motivations are less cringe (to be historically immortal rather than lIterally immortal), but I have to agree. Prometheus is beautiful. The visuals make me move my head slowly, towards the sky to contemplate the universe or something.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2021, 09:38:02 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 09:07:58 PM
I think Charles's motivations are less cringe (to be historically immortal rather than lIterally immortal), but I have to agree.

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the futile quest for everlasting life

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the futile quest for knowledge from an alien intelligence

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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 11:31:58 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 30, 2021, 09:38:02 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 09:07:58 PM
I think Charles's motivations are less cringe (to be historically immortal rather than lIterally immortal), but I have to agree.

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the futile quest for everlasting life

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the futile quest for knowledge from an alien intelligence

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(https://www.scified.com/media/engineer_speaks_prometheus_4.jpg)

Wow  :o I actually liked that comparison  8)

Speaking of which, according to TV Tropes (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Prometheus) , the last Engineer replied to Weyland's request in Proto-Indo-European: "you would not be a man if you didn't grow old".  :laugh:

Quote from: TV TropesAccording to the promotional book A grammar of modern Indo-European - Prometheus edition, the Engineer's reply to Weyland's request for immortality translates literally as "you would not be a man if you didn't grow old,"

Although I would take that one with a grain of salt, it also reminds me of a biblical proverb  :-X
 
*So I went to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me, "Take and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey."*


But what I found even more interesting in Prometheus is all its development, which is nicelly described in this amazing video, plus The Furious Gods doc:  8)


Actually, I would be most happy to watch a movie about the development of this movie. I already have the cast in mind.  ;D

Spoiler
Owen Teale as Ridley Scott



kyle Maclachlan as Dariusz Wolski



Chris Martin as Jon Spaihts



David Cross as Damon Lindelof



Benicio del Toro as Carlos Huante



Noomi Rapace as Noomi Rapace



Helen Mirren as Janty Yates



James Cromwell as Arthur Max

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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Deadmeat on May 04, 2021, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 11:31:58 PM

Actually, I would be most happy to watch a movie about the development of this movie. I already have the cast in mind.  ;D

Spoiler
Owen Teale as Ridley Scott

(https://i.ibb.co/W30g4mV/GOT2.jpg)

kyle Maclachlan as Dariusz Wolski

(https://i.ibb.co/brMkgX7/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-dale-cooper-hair.jpg)

Chris Martin as Jon Spaihts

(https://i.ibb.co/p4Q2jbs/Chris-Martin.jpg)

David Cross as Damon Lindelof

(https://i.ibb.co/dfMvHxq/David-Cross.jpg)

Benicio del Toro as Carlos Huante

(https://i.ibb.co/xFZ2mSh/benicio-del-toro-predator.jpg)

Noomi Rapace as Noomi Rapace

(https://i.ibb.co/JxtRcrc/Netflix-Unveils-Trailer-For-New-Noomi-Rapace-Action-Movie-Close.webp)

Helen Mirren as Janty Yates

(https://i.ibb.co/fCfkt9K/helen-mirren-sin-maquillar770.jpg)

James Cromwell as Arthur Max

(https://i.ibb.co/y4TCqJM/HOLLYWOOD-CA-NOVEMBER-08-Actor-James-Cromwell-arrives-at-The-Artist-Special-Screening-during-AFI-FES.jpg)
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something something truman show
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on May 04, 2021, 07:44:06 PM
My biggest gripe with the black goo as others mentioned is how random it is, no youtube video has so far been able to explain it much and make it logical and set up rules for how it works, example this vdeo:


In prometheus we saw:
Once the canisters is exposed to air and not sealed atmosphere it starts to leak and activate the black goo and whatever it got in contact with besides androids starts to mutate to random creatures, never killing by iitself.
Worms got intot hose hammerworm/hammerpede designs that could swim around in blakc goo without any issue, which contradict what we see later as it mutates androids and xenos etc.

It didnt evolve into those spore mushrooms.

IF gestated it mutates the host into a mutant, and if that host have sex it will cause the offspring to mutate into a facehugger/squid design.

Note that all of those creatures it mutates has acid blood.

The neomorph is similair to a xenomorph, but not like the mural one but could be random mutation, in the expanded lore it ate the black goo in the base and evolved into a mountain.

Black goo is used to create life as well as mutate it, video like the one above and others says it.

Then we have how they changed it in covenant:

Now it has somehow evolved its own ecosystem with insects and creatures and even spore mushrooms that once touched spray out bacteria that ifnects a host, like how some mushrooms in sweden do and I see mushrooms as plants, although they are a hybrid of animal and plants.
Prometheus nor coventant explains hwo the black goo can create these as it was show it mutates existing creatures not creating.

Now the black goo kills whatever it touches, those humanoids on the planet didnt mutate like the ones in prometheus but melted and died. The movies dont explain when the black goo kills and when it mutates what it touches or why?

The creatures those spores infected and black goo too, creates neomorphs or deacon like creatures but unlike prometheus these dont have acid blood, its never explained either.

Davids mixing with his version of black goo and experiemtns have created the protomorphs which do have acid unlike the neomorphs.

Then we have also examples where the black goo mutates androids as well.

And we also see the black goo making hybrids of creatures. And no rule for when the blakc goo will do either? So far its very random what it will do to a host.

Also we saw in prometheus creatures that has been infected by the black goo are immune to it and can swim around in it without any harm but we see xenomrophs and others in later materials being very affected by it and again no explanation to why?

Its not like the xenomorphs which is very logic by now:
Alien egg-Facehugger-chestburster-drone-queen and how its lifecycle work and what they do and why, black goo in the movies arent very well explained at all to me nor to many other youtubers or even my friend who is genetic doctor in sweden who is a massive alien fan has no idea how the black goo work and just see it as: well else we wouldnt have a movie and they have to look past details and make up stuff to make the movie to work.:P
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 04, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
This has more to do with the type of people who make YT videos than the goo, TQ has been explaining its properties here ad nauseam
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on May 04, 2021, 07:54:56 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 04, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
This has more to do with the type of people who make YT videos than the goo, TQ has been explaining its properties here ad nauseam
Didnt find any answers to the questions I made in my post, it explained some but never any of the issues I found with it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 04, 2021, 08:10:36 PM
I have answered all your questions but you do not accept my answers but and truly I mean no offense: certain things you ought to be able to interpret for yourself like David's lab obviously having stuff he simply inspected as examples of the fauna on the planet before experimentation.

And yes a larger issue exists with people not doing their research and being informed of "the facts" by other people who do not do their research beyond reading the wiki articles.

And take it at face value.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on May 04, 2021, 08:32:27 PM
The explanations I got is in short:
Such as effect flora and fauna.

"What we see in Alien Covenant's that it only targets fauna, not flora.

The films always take precedence yes?

but all the information you need's in Covenant, you just have to be able to recognise things for what they are."

seen prometheus maybe 15 times and covenant 20 times but its not explaining clearly the rules the black goo work and even contradicts itself.

I do listen to your info and not ignoring it but its not explaining it in detail and setting up clear rules for how the black goo work.  like these examples why it in certain cases mutates a creature, and in the next scenario kills instead of mutating it, (and in the next make hybrids? not canon so can skip this one but in my head it exist)

Or when it creates these spore pods/mushrroms, is it related to time, temperature, like what exactly needs to happen for it to create such things?
My best theory is david somehow made experiments on the creatures and one resulted in those mushroom spore pods, spore pods as some call them. But the movie dont tell what made them to exist and what needs to happen to make them happen natrually?

and like prometheus shown: the creatures the black goo get in contact with and mutates has acid blood, and in covenant it lacks that and kills directly instead. Neomorphs had normal blood, no acid blood.

The movies didnt explain it completely and leaving it vauge for guessing, myself want full explanation and clear rule like: black goo get in contact with a creature it will mutate it by: x amount of black goo, and y amount of hours will result in this: x. If the finished creature get in contact with black goo again: nothing will happen.

OR: black goo when in contact with plants will mutate them into spore carrying pods after ca 1 day. (a s example, it didnt do it in covenant but its an example., clear rules like how the xeno work or basicly anything).
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 04, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
We know the Pods with the Motes within them get created by the Pathogen coming into contact with pollen, forming together in areas with sufficient moisture like fungus usually does normally, but that's an example of one I thought obvious personally.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on May 04, 2021, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 04, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
We know the Pods with the Motes within them get created by the Pathogen coming into contact with pollen, forming together in areas with sufficient moisture like fungus usually does normally, but that's an example of one I thought obvious personally.
That was new to me and never seen or heard anyone coming up with that explanation actually :P Well that explains this question that has bugged me and others here(irl) who try to make sense of it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 04, 2021, 09:20:55 PM
Ask me another one if you want to, but I have discussed this before a long time ago, and it's one that's obvious to me anyway because of the places we see them in the film.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 04, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
If I made a youtube video with EXPLAINED!!1! in the thumbnail that just repeats what TQ says I bet people would listen.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 04, 2021, 09:38:58 PM
Yeah that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: Deadmeat on May 04, 2021, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 11:31:58 PM

Actually, I would be most happy to watch a movie about the development of this movie. I already have the cast in mind.  ;D

Spoiler
Owen Teale as Ridley Scott

(https://i.ibb.co/W30g4mV/GOT2.jpg)

kyle Maclachlan as Dariusz Wolski

(https://i.ibb.co/brMkgX7/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-dale-cooper-hair.jpg)

Chris Martin as Jon Spaihts

(https://i.ibb.co/p4Q2jbs/Chris-Martin.jpg)

David Cross as Damon Lindelof

(https://i.ibb.co/dfMvHxq/David-Cross.jpg)

Benicio del Toro as Carlos Huante

(https://i.ibb.co/xFZ2mSh/benicio-del-toro-predator.jpg)

Noomi Rapace as Noomi Rapace

(https://i.ibb.co/JxtRcrc/Netflix-Unveils-Trailer-For-New-Noomi-Rapace-Action-Movie-Close.webp)

Helen Mirren as Janty Yates

(https://i.ibb.co/fCfkt9K/helen-mirren-sin-maquillar770.jpg)

James Cromwell as Arthur Max

(https://i.ibb.co/y4TCqJM/HOLLYWOOD-CA-NOVEMBER-08-Actor-James-Cromwell-arrives-at-The-Artist-Special-Screening-during-AFI-FES.jpg)
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something something truman show

(https://i.ibb.co/vXMjCLD/Trumanshow.jpg)

You mean a movie about Ridley Scott doing a science fiction reality show centered on an individual who is not an actor playing a character, but rather a real person who has lived a lie all his life. His mother needed the money and she chose to sell her baby to Disney, so the child lives and grow up in a dome that simulates a space colony on another planet. He believes that he lives in the future and that he was able to create monsters using ancient alien alchemy. However, one day he discovers the truth, and Ridley Scott ends up in jail or something.

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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 05, 2021, 09:34:21 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 09:07:58 PMI think Charles's motivations are less cringe (to be historically immortal rather than lIterally immortal)

I preferred his motives in Spaihts' original script tbh - he just wants the Engineers' terraforming tech so he can get richer. Not only do I find that more believable, it ties in nicely with the heartless corporation angle of the Alien films.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on May 05, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
Really don't know what to think of it at this point... I never saw Legion. I mistrust Ridley Scott since many years now, but he did serve as an executive producer for The Terror, which was great, so you never know.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 05:06:03 PM
I recently learned (a little late  :laugh:) that although his involvement as a producer was announced prematurely, there is no official confirmation of that.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 05, 2021, 09:34:21 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 09:07:58 PMI think Charles's motivations are less cringe (to be historically immortal rather than lIterally immortal)

I preferred his motives in Spaihts' original script tbh - he just wants the Engineers' terraforming tech so he can get richer. Not only do I find that more believable, it ties in nicely with the heartless corporation angle of the Alien films.

Yes, it made a lot of sense that the tech magnate have as his main motivation to own alien gadgets. He is described as a less snobbish and more rustic businessman if my memory serves. The Ewing family of Dallas comes to mind.  :laugh:

Edit ~ He wasn't about to die of old age in Spaihts's writing though.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 05, 2021, 05:06:38 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 05, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
Really don't know what to think of it at this point... I never saw Legion. I mistrust Ridley Scott since many years now, but he did serve as an executive producer for The Terror, which was great, so you never know.

Do watch Legion then, or Fargo Season 1, and 2, and 3, and 4 if it continually takes your fancy.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Still Collating... on May 05, 2021, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 04, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
We know the Pods with the Motes within them get created by the Pathogen coming into contact with pollen, forming together in areas with sufficient moisture like fungus usually does normally, but that's an example of one I thought obvious personally.

Sources? Has that been confirmed anywhere? Even though I do consider that explanation the most plausible, you probably mean fungal spores, right? Since pollen is only plant based and we know the pathogen doesn't react much, if at all with plants.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 05, 2021, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 05, 2021, 05:06:38 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 05, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
Really don't know what to think of it at this point... I never saw Legion. I mistrust Ridley Scott since many years now, but he did serve as an executive producer for The Terror, which was great, so you never know.

Do watch Legion then, or Fargo Season 1, and 2, and 3, and 4 if it continually takes your fancy.

I enjoyed Fargo season one, but gave up on season 2 though...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on May 05, 2021, 05:32:16 PM
I trust Hawley, I really liked Fargo. The first 3 seasons at least, haven't watched 4. I'm sure he can make a good Alien show. I'm just worried about the setting, and whether it has any effect on the prequel series being continued.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 05, 2021, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: Evanus on May 05, 2021, 05:32:16 PM
I trust Hawley, I really liked Fargo. The first 3 seasons at least, haven't watched 4. I'm sure he can make a good Alien show. I'm just worried about the setting, and whether it has any effect on the prequel series being continued.

I would have to believe the performance of Alien Covenant, and the downwards trajectory of performance from Prometheus to Alien Covenant, closed the door on another prequel sequel. Or do you perhaps mean that rumored prequel television series?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Deadmeat on May 05, 2021, 05:44:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: Deadmeat on May 04, 2021, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 11:31:58 PM

Actually, I would be most happy to watch a movie about the development of this movie. I already have the cast in mind.  ;D

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Owen Teale as Ridley Scott

(https://i.ibb.co/W30g4mV/GOT2.jpg)

kyle Maclachlan as Dariusz Wolski

(https://i.ibb.co/brMkgX7/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-dale-cooper-hair.jpg)

Chris Martin as Jon Spaihts

(https://i.ibb.co/p4Q2jbs/Chris-Martin.jpg)

David Cross as Damon Lindelof

(https://i.ibb.co/dfMvHxq/David-Cross.jpg)

Benicio del Toro as Carlos Huante

(https://i.ibb.co/xFZ2mSh/benicio-del-toro-predator.jpg)

Noomi Rapace as Noomi Rapace

(https://i.ibb.co/JxtRcrc/Netflix-Unveils-Trailer-For-New-Noomi-Rapace-Action-Movie-Close.webp)

Helen Mirren as Janty Yates

(https://i.ibb.co/fCfkt9K/helen-mirren-sin-maquillar770.jpg)

James Cromwell as Arthur Max

(https://i.ibb.co/y4TCqJM/HOLLYWOOD-CA-NOVEMBER-08-Actor-James-Cromwell-arrives-at-The-Artist-Special-Screening-during-AFI-FES.jpg)
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something something truman show

(https://i.ibb.co/vXMjCLD/Trumanshow.jpg)

You mean a movie about Ridley Scott doing a science fiction reality show centered on an individual who is not an actor playing a character, but rather a real person who has lived a lie all his life. His mother needed the money and she chose to sell her baby to Disney, so the child lives and grow up in a dome that simulates a space colony on another planet. He believes that he lives in the future and that he was able to create monsters using ancient alien alchemy. However, one day he discovers the truth, and Ridley Scott ends up in jail or something.

(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/58agcv.gif)

Plot twist!

Dutch was the mother.
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on May 05, 2021, 05:44:54 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on May 05, 2021, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: Deadmeat on May 04, 2021, 04:46:40 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 11:31:58 PM

Actually, I would be most happy to watch a movie about the development of this movie. I already have the cast in mind.  ;D

Spoiler
Owen Teale as Ridley Scott

(https://i.ibb.co/W30g4mV/GOT2.jpg)

kyle Maclachlan as Dariusz Wolski

(https://i.ibb.co/brMkgX7/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-dale-cooper-hair.jpg)

Chris Martin as Jon Spaihts

(https://i.ibb.co/p4Q2jbs/Chris-Martin.jpg)

David Cross as Damon Lindelof

(https://i.ibb.co/dfMvHxq/David-Cross.jpg)

Benicio del Toro as Carlos Huante

(https://i.ibb.co/xFZ2mSh/benicio-del-toro-predator.jpg)

Noomi Rapace as Noomi Rapace

(https://i.ibb.co/JxtRcrc/Netflix-Unveils-Trailer-For-New-Noomi-Rapace-Action-Movie-Close.webp)

Helen Mirren as Janty Yates

(https://i.ibb.co/fCfkt9K/helen-mirren-sin-maquillar770.jpg)

James Cromwell as Arthur Max

(https://i.ibb.co/y4TCqJM/HOLLYWOOD-CA-NOVEMBER-08-Actor-James-Cromwell-arrives-at-The-Artist-Special-Screening-during-AFI-FES.jpg)
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something something truman show

(https://i.ibb.co/vXMjCLD/Trumanshow.jpg)

You mean a movie about Ridley Scott doing a science fiction reality show centered on an individual who is not an actor playing a character, but rather a real person who has lived a lie all his life. His mother needed the money and she chose to sell her baby to Disney, so the child lives and grow up in a dome that simulates a space colony on another planet. He believes that he lives in the future and that he was able to create monsters using ancient alien alchemy. However, one day he discovers the truth, and Ridley Scott ends up in jail or something.

(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/58agcv.gif)

Plot twist!

Dutch was the mother.
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 05, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Still Collating... on May 05, 2021, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 04, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
We know the Pods with the Motes within them get created by the Pathogen coming into contact with pollen, forming together in areas with sufficient moisture like fungus usually does normally, but that's an example of one I thought obvious personally.

Sources? Has that been confirmed anywhere? Even though I do consider that explanation the most plausible, you probably mean fungal spores, right? Since pollen is only plant based and we know the pathogen doesn't react much, if at all with plants.



I am certain I discussed it being depicted in storyboards with Necronomicon on this forum a year ago at most.
But I also just looked through David's Drawings and within it says he Pod's sensitive to heat, it is also explicitly stated in Alien The RPG that fire's the solution to eliminating them and that they come from incorporating pollen and other microbial elements together during creation.

This actually makes a lot of sense in terms of them being fungal in nature and the commonalities in the places of their formation:

QuotePollen grains absorb moisture from the air and swell. Especially after heavy rain, such as during or right after thunderstorms, swelling may cause the grains to break up and release pollen allergens outside the pollen grains.
QuoteEuniceral strains are found on countless varieties of substrate and requires acid fermentation in harsh conditions. to produce acid for its offspring. Once the spore has reached fertility, toxins are injected into the host's bloodstream or lymphatic system. If spore bacteria enters the host's circulatory system Clostridio tetani will cause a violent reaction. Clostridio is a cone shaped sanerobic species of pathogena of genus Elostridium. During infancy the organism will not survive the presence of Eunicium, it is sensitive to heat and exhibits minor mobility.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on May 05, 2021, 07:47:01 PM
Ask me another one if you want to, but I have discussed this before a long time ago
Got time now, will make one question at a time to lessent he chance of missing/making it confusing as some dont like wall of texts like I do :P

In prometheus we saw that the black goo dont kill but mutates species it gets in contact with: Worms became those hammerpedes/snake things, and humans became those zombielike creatures when in contact with the black goo, and the more black goo a person got in contact with: the faster the transformation.
Also note all those creatures had acid for blood, and the creatures it created was immune to the black goo and can be seen even swimming in it without being harmed by it.

In covenant we see the black goo killing instead and all those space enginners/humanoids melting and dying, not becoming these strange creatures we saw in prometheus. Altough the fallout infected all wildlife as it spread later, unlike how it worked in prometheus movie. Also the creatures that it developed now didnt have acid for blood, the neomorphs have normal blood. Only Davids strain of xenos have acid.
Also now creatures that was developed by the black goo is harmed by it, not immune as they were in prometheus.

I dont find any logic to why it in one movie kills and behaves differently and in covenant doing the opposite. Only thing I can guess is that the black goo onboard the alien ship was a weapon version of the black goo, and on the planet in prometheus was a raw version but the movie didnt confirm this theory of mine so its just a guess from my side.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 05, 2021, 09:12:32 PM
The dosage: the amount of Pathogen the Engineers got exposed to 2000 years ago on LV-223, and again in 2094 during deployment on the Engineer world designated as "Planet 4" by the USCSS Covenant, acted as an overdose killing the majority of them instantly and we see this in the petrified bodies full of openings on each planet. 

In the one instance we have a planet with no ecosystem to examine the effects of it on, and in the other we have a planet with an ecosystem to examine the effects of it on, if the first once used to have an ecosystem then 2000 years effectively wiped it out.

As for the blood, I am not certain, but it appears to me that their blood and salvia's simply acidic but not necessarily to the degree of the titular Alien.

In Prometheus we do see a clear liquid presumably acid blood burn through Fifield's helmet but not anything further we can discern, in Alien Covenant we do not explicitly see acid but when a Neomorph bites Walter's hand off we do see on the stump's melted, much like the way when the Facehugger jumps out of the Egg and then enters Kane's helmet in the original film using acid but does not appear to harm him- it is not necessarily blood but something else stored in the body released tactically.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on May 05, 2021, 10:08:05 PM
So its the much higher dosage of the pathogen that instead of mutating them outright killed them instead, alright then I have a explanation why it didnt do this in prometheus, and have to ignore expanded lore. :) Could be like you say that it can in large enough dosage wipe out a ecosystem and render it barren. one of my fave theories is lv-426 got hit by it and hence all stone formations and looking like as a friend called it: covered in mud/clay. But thats a theory :P

In the aliens book argumented reality its stated the neomorphs dont have acid for blood, and we see when the religious captain kills one of them its not leaking acid but blood, same when they kills the one that bited Walters hand as it didnt made anything to melt or make smoke from acid, but its possible it could release a substance that is similair to xeno acid as you say his arm injury looked melted, but could be due to the neomorphs teeth and mouth design, hard to tell. :/
Well thanks for these explanations and info, made it make more sense now.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Still Collating... on May 05, 2021, 10:45:30 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 05, 2021, 06:15:46 PM
Quote from: Still Collating... on May 05, 2021, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 04, 2021, 08:54:54 PM
We know the Pods with the Motes within them get created by the Pathogen coming into contact with pollen, forming together in areas with sufficient moisture like fungus usually does normally, but that's an example of one I thought obvious personally.

Sources? Has that been confirmed anywhere? Even though I do consider that explanation the most plausible, you probably mean fungal spores, right? Since pollen is only plant based and we know the pathogen doesn't react much, if at all with plants.



I am certain I discussed it being depicted in storyboards with Necronomicon on this forum a year ago at most.
But I also just looked through David's Drawings and within it says he Pod's sensitive to heat, it is also explicitly stated in Alien The RPG that fire's the solution to eliminating them and that they come from incorporating pollen and other microbial elements together during creation.

This actually makes a lot of sense in terms of them being fungal in nature and the commonalities in the places of their formation:

QuotePollen grains absorb moisture from the air and swell. Especially after heavy rain, such as during or right after thunderstorms, swelling may cause the grains to break up and release pollen allergens outside the pollen grains.
QuoteEuniceral strains are found on countless varieties of substrate and requires acid fermentation in harsh conditions. to produce acid for its offspring. Once the spore has reached fertility, toxins are injected into the host's bloodstream or lymphatic system. If spore bacteria enters the host's circulatory system Clostridio tetani will cause a violent reaction. Clostridio is a cone shaped sanerobic species of pathogena of genus Elostridium. During infancy the organism will not survive the presence of Eunicium, it is sensitive to heat and exhibits minor mobility.




Just the pollen part bothered me because it's plant related which shouldn't be affected by the pathogen if we're going by Covenant. Too bad if the RPG used pollen as a reference cause that confuses things. Fungal is my favorite theory cause they are a completely different category than plants or animals.
Though honestly it's kinda strange they made the pathogen not kill off and mutate plants.


Quote from: Trash Queen on May 05, 2021, 09:12:32 PM
The dosage: the amount of Pathogen the Engineers got exposed to 2000 years ago on LV-223, and again in 2094 during deployment on the Engineer world designated as "Planet 4" by the USCSS Covenant, acted as an overdose killing the majority of them instantly and we see this in the petrified bodies full of openings on each planet. 

In the one instance we have a planet with no ecosystem to examine the effects of it on, and in the other we have a planet with an ecosystem to examine the effects of it on, if the first once used to have an ecosystem then 2000 years effectively wiped it out.

As for the blood, I am not certain, but it appears to me that their blood and salvia's simply acidic but not necessarily to the degree of the titular Alien.

In Prometheus we do see a clear liquid presumably acid blood burn through Fifield's helmet but not anything further we can discern, in Alien Covenant we do not explicitly see acid but when a Neomorph bites Walter's hand off we do see on the stump's melted, much like the way when the Facehugger jumps out of the Egg and then enters Kane's helmet in the original film using acid but does not appear to harm him- it is not necessarily blood but something else stored in the body released tactically.


The dosage idea is very logical and should be used in future, but Prometheus didn't really follow that logic. Dosage means nothing unless we compare it to the size of the creatures. In Covenant the Engineers did get a good dose, and in Prometheus we did see what happens when smaller doses are applied. But Fifield got quite a nice dose by falling into the pathogen. Still it's possible to argue that it wasn't that great of a dose compared to David's bombing. The big issue with me is that the worms (future Hammerpedes) were swimming in the pathogen. For those little guys, that was a huge dose and they didn't die, multiple worms mutated.

Nothing is obvious or clear with the pathogen, nobody really tried to give it defined rules of function.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 06, 2021, 05:18:45 AM
They became hybrid forms designed to kill other life though, the worms (or Hammerpedes), and Charlie Holloway and Sean Fifield (or Abominations), it is fairly nonsensical for the Pathogen to kill it's own creations, immediately anyway, so it makes sense that once infected then becoming transformed they become immune.

It's intelligent after all as confirmed by David the Pathogen's an artificial intelligence itself.

Also consider the factor that within the LV-223 temple we only see the Ampules start to sweat the Pathogen out when the atmosphere's changed in the room reacting to the heat and light and presumably also living things, we know this to be the case because when David later walks through the cargo hold the ones located in it remain completely inert covered in a mist, when deployed from the Juggernaut they shake intensely exposed to considerably much more heat, and light, and wind and bodies than before.

To use an analogy it's much like a soda can with the Pathogen in the Ampules, only in this case instead of dropping a mint in the soda, it is being exposed to the right conditions that causes "the activation" that wipes clean a planet of all life that can be classified as fauna.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: judge death on May 06, 2021, 06:32:07 PM
Well we dont see the worms getting infected by the pathogen so its likely only parts of it touched them, and once they were mutated they were able to move and swim around in the black goo/pathogen without any danger for them.

Okay I have only the DVD of covenant so havent seen those deleted scenes but myself prefer the black goo to be just a dangerous substance and not an AI that can be reprogrammed. But I guess it was told as such in the scenes so I guess its what it is although its not shown as such in the normal movie but that is an question of opinion I think. :P
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 06, 2021, 06:55:15 PM
https://vimeo.com/405246423

We do not know that it is programmable, just that it is a form of primordial artificial intelligence, so it can make decisions to a degree.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Still Collating... on May 06, 2021, 10:01:13 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on May 06, 2021, 05:18:45 AM
They became hybrid forms designed to kill other life though, the worms (or Hammerpedes), and Charlie Holloway and Sean Fifield (or Abominations), it is fairly nonsensical for the Pathogen to kill it's own creations, immediately anyway, so it makes sense that once infected then becoming transformed they become immune.

It's intelligent after all as confirmed by David the Pathogen's an artificial intelligence itself.

Also consider the factor that within the LV-223 temple we only see the Ampules start to sweat the Pathogen out when the atmosphere's changed in the room reacting to the heat and light and presumably also living things, we know this to be the case because when David later walks through the cargo hold the ones located in it remain completely inert covered in a mist, when deployed from the Juggernaut they shake intensely exposed to considerably much more heat, and light, and wind and bodies than before.

To use an analogy it's much like a soda can with the Pathogen in the Ampules, only in this case instead of dropping a mint in the soda, it is being exposed to the right conditions that causes "the activation" that wipes clean a planet of all life that can be classified as fauna.

I didn't mean when the Hammerpedes were swimming in the stuff before they attacked Fifield, I meant the worms swimming in the pathogen before they became grotesque creatures. Which does happen.


Quote from: judge death on May 06, 2021, 06:32:07 PM
Well we dont see the worms getting infected by the pathogen so its likely only parts of it touched them, and once they were mutated they were able to move and swim around in the black goo/pathogen without any danger for them.

Okay I have only the DVD of covenant so havent seen those deleted scenes but myself prefer the black goo to be just a dangerous substance and not an AI that can be reprogrammed. But I guess it was told as such in the scenes so I guess its what it is although its not shown as such in the normal movie but that is an question of opinion I think. :P


We do see it. It happens at 42:01 to 42:05, right after David is leaving with the others to try and outrun the incoming storm. The little guys are getting quite a big dose of the pathogen for their size, they're swimming in the stuff. The dose theory doesn't work, it's not consistent with the prequels.

And TQ, even if the pathogen is kinda an AI, run on ancient algorithms, that doesn't mean it can make decisions at all. Nowhere is that supported. Even by David it's described as chaotic and with limitless possibilities (aka the writers can do whatever they want with it). Not enough hard rules have been given to the pathogen. White is trying and we'll see what Gaska does in full with it, but the films certainly don't present anything too logical.

The best explanation for the differences in Covenant's and Prometheus' portrayal of the pathogen is that they were used differently. That could have different effects, but again it really should have been explained a bit better.
The way you're describing it, it sounds like the Ampules are a two part thing that when shaked and mixed it's much more lethal and airborne, while in Prometheus when that's not done, you get a liquid (one part) that makes a lot more mutants?
Plausible, but it does annoy me that I'm certain they weren't thinking of that and is in no real way supported with any comment from the creative team involved and that it certainly won't be considered in the future.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 06, 2021, 10:54:54 PM
I am aware they do and it's the one part of the Pathogen that remains up for debate to me, why in instances does it kill, and yet in other instances it creates hybrids? Truthfully I don't know for sure, but in David's lab we can see various deformities present in the (not all) affected beings, and he does state (within Advent) that simply certain specimens (generally more humanoid ones) progressed and others did not survive the process and I think that's fair enough.

We do see it make decisions though in the form of the Pods and Motes it chooses the directions it goes in, when going to enter an orifice, whilst it never deviates from it's aims according to David it is also technically making decisions.

As for whether the people writing it considered whether it's functions alternate depending upon whether exposed to the atmosphere at a high altitude during deployment or not, perhaps or perhaps not, but I believe so considering the return to the original idea for the Pathogen as featured in Jon Spaihts' script Alien Engineers.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Still Collating... on May 07, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
It can be explained with a simple statistic maybe, there's a x% chance that the pathogen will kill in some specific circumstances or whatever.

And do you really think it's the pathogen that's able to control it's movements? The pods, motes are other infected microorganisms have their own movements and instinctual intelligence, just like it's not the pathogen that's making decisions in the Neomorph or Fifield, but the creatures themselves. At least, that's how I see it. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 07, 2021, 07:44:36 PM
David does say so, true to his word that it either kills outright or creates a hybrid form, and I do believe the Pathogen's responsible for their decisions but whether I'm right or not does not ultimately make any difference to interpreting the way it operates.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 08, 2021, 03:00:22 AM
In Covenant, motes really seem to have a sense of locomotion, like an insect-like creature of some sort.

(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/tenor-11837578ee9ed1e086.gif)

In Prometheus, they only appear to be worms shaped like the ibola virus in the dark liquid.

(https://s3.gifyu.com/images/tumblr_m5g3boqtwQ1rtljjxo1_1280.gif)

I imagine that as an AI, the pathogen created a creature by infecting the fungi on Planet 4, giving rise to the eggsacks. When David bombards the Engineers, they look like a plague of locusts though, with a sense of locomotion like the motes.  :-\

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I don't know, maybe the detonation of the urns in the air makes a difference in the pathogen itself, leaving it ready to do its thing. Which didn't happen on Prometheus, where it was either "raw" or not active enough to do its thing.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on May 08, 2021, 07:00:33 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 11:31:58 PM
Actually, I would be most happy to watch a movie about the development of this movie. I already have the cast in mind.  ;D

Spoiler
Owen Teale as Ridley Scott

(https://i.ibb.co/W30g4mV/GOT2.jpg)

kyle Maclachlan as Dariusz Wolski

(https://i.ibb.co/brMkgX7/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-dale-cooper-hair.jpg)

Chris Martin as Jon Spaihts

(https://i.ibb.co/p4Q2jbs/Chris-Martin.jpg)

David Cross as Damon Lindelof

(https://i.ibb.co/dfMvHxq/David-Cross.jpg)

Benicio del Toro as Carlos Huante

(https://i.ibb.co/xFZ2mSh/benicio-del-toro-predator.jpg)

Noomi Rapace as Noomi Rapace

(https://i.ibb.co/JxtRcrc/Netflix-Unveils-Trailer-For-New-Noomi-Rapace-Action-Movie-Close.webp)

Helen Mirren as Janty Yates

(https://i.ibb.co/fCfkt9K/helen-mirren-sin-maquillar770.jpg)

James Cromwell as Arthur Max

(https://i.ibb.co/y4TCqJM/HOLLYWOOD-CA-NOVEMBER-08-Actor-James-Cromwell-arrives-at-The-Artist-Special-Screening-during-AFI-FES.jpg)
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 08, 2021, 09:04:20 AM
Yes David's sample he (like the ones later found in the Juggernaut cargo hold) also refrigerated before inspection, meaning whilst it may also react to the presence of living things or certain atmospheric changes it definitely reacts to an increase in temperature from light, we again know this because when a flashlight's beam reaches an Ampule it begins perspiration as David comments on it, but he does not breathe either so he's safe to examine it by himself.

We also know the Pathogen's inactive when you take the vials out of the Ampule casing, as David holds one up to the light when describing the function with no observable reaction, so something in the Ampule itself causes it to become active in the presence of heat.

But apparently without correctly deploying them from a craft in the sky, they do not explode, and so do not atomise their particles to the air they just begin sweating their contents in a liquid form.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on May 18, 2021, 06:30:04 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 30, 2021, 11:31:58 PM
Actually, I would be most happy to watch a movie about the development of this movie. I already have the cast in mind.  ;D

Spoiler
Owen Teale as Ridley Scott

(https://i.ibb.co/W30g4mV/GOT2.jpg)

kyle Maclachlan as Dariusz Wolski

(https://i.ibb.co/brMkgX7/twin-peaks-kyle-maclachlan-dale-cooper-hair.jpg)

Chris Martin as Jon Spaihts

(https://i.ibb.co/p4Q2jbs/Chris-Martin.jpg)

David Cross as Damon Lindelof

(https://i.ibb.co/dfMvHxq/David-Cross.jpg)

Benicio del Toro as Carlos Huante

(https://i.ibb.co/xFZ2mSh/benicio-del-toro-predator.jpg)

Noomi Rapace as Noomi Rapace

(https://i.ibb.co/JxtRcrc/Netflix-Unveils-Trailer-For-New-Noomi-Rapace-Action-Movie-Close.webp)

Helen Mirren as Janty Yates

(https://i.ibb.co/fCfkt9K/helen-mirren-sin-maquillar770.jpg)

James Cromwell as Arthur Max

(https://i.ibb.co/y4TCqJM/HOLLYWOOD-CA-NOVEMBER-08-Actor-James-Cromwell-arrives-at-The-Artist-Special-Screening-during-AFI-FES.jpg)
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I know it was more than half a month ago and I know it's off-topic ...

... but can we squeeze a James Cameron cameo by James Cromwell in there ?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/72/06/f3720615ec48deef9cdd0ee534cc0f44.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 22, 2021, 07:57:19 AM
I've never thought about Cromwell in an Alien thing before, but now I want it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 23, 2021, 08:54:29 AM
I'm assuming he'd die, because he always does.

I remember when I first noticed that was a thing, and then I, Robot came out and he was dead before the film even started :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on May 23, 2021, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 23, 2021, 08:54:29 AM
I'm assuming he'd die, because he always does.

I remember when I first noticed that was a thing, and then I, Robot came out and he was dead before the film even started :laugh:

It reminds me of Eraser. I was like... oh look, it's James Cromwell!!! :o

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BY2YwNjEyODctYTNhOC00MDAzLWI5NzEtZWZlODRjYTliMjczXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTIwODk1NTQ@._V1_.jpg)

2 minutes later I was like... oh yeah, it's James Cromwell. :'(

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTU4ODNmMzctOGQ0Ni00NzY3LWI4NDQtZDY5MTY4NDE5N2VkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTIwODk1NTQ@._V1_.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: 426Buddy on May 23, 2021, 04:43:29 PM
And in species II and JW Fallen Kingdom.

Guy dies more than Sean Bean  :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2021, 08:20:09 PM
Hey, he's the reason we're going to be in the Federation!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 03:49:22 PM
No mention of Alien here, but likely of interest for people following the development of this show:

'Fargo' Boss Noah Hawley on the Works That Inform His Own Writing Process

https://variety.com/2021/tv/features/noah-hawley-fargo-austin-home-office-writing-inspiration-1234991852/




I already posted this article in the Raised by Wolves thread, but there are a few comments from Ridley and Luke Scott in here that seem to imply that Luke might be working on this series:

Ridley Scott and Son Luke Detail Decades-Long Journey to Teaming for 'Raised by Wolves'

QuoteWhat are you working on right now, Luke?

LUKE SCOTT (Quick pause.) I'm not going to tell you! (Laughs.)

QuoteRidley, anything you want to ask Luke about?

RIDLEY SCOTT Well, he won't tell you what he's [working on next] ... but he's about to find out what it's really like to design something that's going to be really scary.

LUKE SCOTT That's not going to help. (Laughs.)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/ridley-scott-raised-by-wolves-1234965758/




The hits just keep coming today! Here's a new 30 minute interview with Hawley. He starts talking about Alien at roughly 26 minutes in. No significant details, just mostly about how he came onto the project and that it is still early days yet. He also mentions that he would have liked to have seen Blomkamp's film.

Noah Hawley On Why He Came Back To 'Fargo', How Covid Changed Its Course, Plus News On His 'Star Trek' Demise And If 'Alien' Awaits – Behind The Lens

https://deadline.com/video/noah-hawley-fargo-interview-behind-the-lens/
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jun 14, 2021, 10:48:26 PM
He doesn't talk much about it. Just says that it's early days.

Interesting that he doesn't mention Ridley or Luke.

No mention of "man, i wish Ridley was still doing his 3rd prequel".

He sure does mention Neill Blomkamp, tho.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jun 14, 2021, 10:56:22 PM
can't wait for David to be written by some random dude! :laugh: (Logan is the main reason why Covenant works at all. If he's not writing that follow up...)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Prez on Jun 15, 2021, 12:37:54 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 22, 2021, 07:57:19 AM
I've never thought about Cromwell in an Alien thing before, but now I want it.

Hopefully he can match "And you people, you're all astronauts on... some kind of star trek" from First Contact then with something similar Meta style in it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 15, 2021, 01:25:46 AM
Dear 20th Century Studios, I whish you could bring me:

- A mini series that tells of David's 10 years on planet 4. Preferably live-action, although I wouldn't mind an anime.  ;D

- Noah Hawley making prequel easter eggs. For example, a mention of Peter Weyland, Engineer stuff, tech ~ like the helmet for spying dreams, etc.

- A prequel themed video game.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

(https://s6.gifyu.com/images/tenor-60e8f1f579ef10021.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2021, 03:05:32 AM
If the Luke Scott quotes are referring to this show, then I am cautiously optimistic there. Luke directed the Prometheus and Covenant virals which are fine and Morgan which I thought was awful, but his work in his first two episodes of Raised by Wolves was pretty solid and his work on Wolves' season finale was actually excellent for the most part. In Wolves he's working off of the very clear vision of showrunner Aaron Guzikowski as well as his father's very distinct designs and storyboards – hopefully Hawley's material here is as good as Guzikowski's and, if so, I'm crossing my fingers that relationship here between Hawley/Ridley/potentially Luke works in a similar manner here as it does in Wolves.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Jun 15, 2021, 05:34:08 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 23, 2021, 08:54:29 AM
I'm assuming he'd die, because he always does.

I remember when I first noticed that was a thing, and then I, Robot came out and he was dead before the film even started :laugh:

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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 15, 2021, 01:25:46 AM
Dear 20th Century Studios, I whish you could bring me:

- A mini series that tells of David's 10 years on planet 4. Preferably live-action, although I wouldn't mind an anime.  ;D

- Noah Hawley making prequel easter eggs. For example, a mention of Peter Weyland, Engineer stuff, tech ~ like the helmet for spying dreams, etc.

- A prequel themed video game.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

(https://s6.gifyu.com/images/tenor-60e8f1f579ef10021.gif)


Spoiler
Dear Immortan Jonesy

Go f**k yourself

Sincerely, your 20th Century Studios DISNEY
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 08:25:37 PM
Ridley delegating the series to his large adult son doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2021, 08:40:50 PM
Given the Earth setting and the fact that we now know that Hawley would have been interested in seeing Blomkamp's film, I wonder if any of the Earth-based Weyland-Yutani facility designs we've been seeing in the recently posted Geoffroy Thoorens concept art pieces for the Blomkamp movie might potentially be adapted into locations for this series?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 15, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
In the Behind the Lens interview, he says they're "Still in early stages of talking about it."

(https://media.tenor.com/images/4fd6aa73fa1bae703a9146a5206accaa/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 15, 2021, 09:37:31 PM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 15, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
In the Behind the Lens interview, he says they're "Still in early stages of talking about it."

(https://media.tenor.com/images/4fd6aa73fa1bae703a9146a5206accaa/tenor.gif)

Don't worry - this is the very first public mention of the series since it was announced *checks notes* literally more than half a year ago on December 10th, 2020. Them "talking about it" at the moment is enough information to sustain us for another six months, right? :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 15, 2021, 09:40:58 PM
Just bring over your people from (including cast) Legion and Fargo and I will be happy, oh and also Hunter Schafer please.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2021, 01:39:55 AM
Going to be cancelled for the Blomkamp series.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 16, 2021, 05:48:28 AM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 15, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
In the Behind the Lens interview, he says they're "Still in early stages of talking about it."

(https://media.tenor.com/images/4fd6aa73fa1bae703a9146a5206accaa/tenor.gif)

I feel your pain.


Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 16, 2021, 01:39:55 AM
Going to be cancelled for the Blomkamp series.

(https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/fb92099f9aaf9ec84c424fd64dda602a.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 16, 2021, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 15, 2021, 05:34:08 PM
Spoiler
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(https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2017%2F08%2Fgettyimages-168599382-2000.jpg)
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Even Sean Bean lived in Black Beauty.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

From what we've seen, this is going to be 100% up Scott's street anyway.


Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 15, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
In the Behind the Lens interview, he says they're "Still in early stages of talking about it."

They're doing more than talking about it right now.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 16, 2021, 12:30:16 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 15, 2021, 09:40:58 PM
Just bring over your people from (including cast) Legion and Fargo and I will be happy, oh and also Hunter Schafer please.

I'm digging it. I'm on Fargo's third season.




Quote from: Kradan on Jun 15, 2021, 05:34:08 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 15, 2021, 01:25:46 AM
Dear 20th Century Studios, I whish you could bring me:

- A mini series that tells of David's 10 years on planet 4. Preferably live-action, although I wouldn't mind an anime.  ;D

- Noah Hawley making prequel easter eggs. For example, a mention of Peter Weyland, Engineer stuff, tech ~ like the helmet for spying dreams, etc.

- A prequel themed video game.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

(https://s6.gifyu.com/images/tenor-60e8f1f579ef10021.gif)


Spoiler
Dear Immortan Jonesy

Go f**k yourself

Sincerely, your 20th Century Studios DISNEY
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: seattle24 on Jun 16, 2021, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

From what we've seen, this is going to be 100% up Scott's street anyway.


Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 15, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
In the Behind the Lens interview, he says they're "Still in early stages of talking about it."

They're doing more than talking about it right now.

Sorry, what's right up Scott's street? The TV series? Good to hear! Unless I'm misunderstanding ha.

Gotta say, I watched the snippet on Deadline from Hawley and his response was very enthusiastic, which suggests it's a bit further ahead than "talking". Just being coy I imagine (which Hicks confirms).
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jun 16, 2021, 12:59:21 PM
[monkey paw curls]

inb4 Season 2 or 3 becomes Blomkamp's Alien 5.  :laugh:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fSGqUm3IcVBESFM0hK/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 01:50:50 PM
Fargo-esque anthology. Season one is something new. Season two is a Covenant sequel. Season three is Blomkamp's story. ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2021, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

From what we've seen, this is going to be 100% up Scott's street anyway.


Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 15, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
In the Behind the Lens interview, he says they're "Still in early stages of talking about it."

They're doing more than talking about it right now.
(https://i.imgur.com/Zv4Go4v.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Jun 16, 2021, 04:18:50 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 16, 2021, 12:30:16 PM
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Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

From what we've seen, this is going to be 100% up Scott's street anyway.

Given the overall aesthetic of the promo imagery used back in December when the show was announced, my gut tells me that this implies hidden Engineer architecture on Earth; a la the hidden Forerunner tech and structures on Earth and other colonies in Halo.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2021, 04:53:18 PM
Yeah, I'm assuming we're gonna get some engineer stuff now. Not sure how I feel about engineer architecture on earth, but then again it depends on how it's executed. Anyway, I'd be happy to see more engineer related things popping up. 8)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 05:18:46 PM
Engineer stuff? Executed?

Ridley's "Space Jesus" concept from Prometheus confirmed. :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Jun 16, 2021, 05:37:56 PM
Make it happen Disney!  :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jun 17, 2021, 02:51:00 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

From what we've seen, this is going to be 100% up Scott's street anyway.


Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 15, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
In the Behind the Lens interview, he says they're "Still in early stages of talking about it."

They're doing more than talking about it right now.

Gonna frame this whole post and look at it every morning until we get more news.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Found another recent mention of this series Hawley in a TV Director Roundtable that Hollywood Reporter hosted:

QuoteHow about you, Noah? What's the call you haven't yet gotten but hope to soon?

HAWLEY Well, I've gotten a lot of calls, and the real question is, are you sure that you want me to do this? Because what I'm interested in is taking the story where it wants to go or exploring the medium of film or TV or fiction. We are commercial artists, right? So we have this process we have to go through, which is the art process and the commercial process. And if the network or the studio can ask you to be more commercial, you should be able to ask them to be more artistic, which is to say, none of us knows anything about what is going to work and what is not going to work. I'm going through this now. I'm doing this alien show for FX, and what's interesting to me about that [subject] is not necessarily what is interesting to everybody else. And I do a lot of reinventing, and I think what I'm good at is figuring out what a movie makes me feel and creating that feeling for other people. But I can't re-create what it makes you feel, you know what I mean? So, you get into a lot of those conversations where it's clear that what I think Fargo is or Legion is or Star Trek is is not necessarily the movie that you saw, which is always an interesting part of the process.

And that can get messy ...

HAWLEY I've found with the franchise stuff, which I've flirted with, is that people don't have a good sense of humor about that stuff the way they do when there is less money involved. (Laughter.) The more money, the more there's a brand, the less like, "Oh yeah, that would be ridiculous, we should definitely do that." That is not a conversation that you tend to have. So yeah, I'm trying to figure out, like, is it worth pushing that rock up the hill, or is it better to just try to do things that are less important to the companies?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/lena-dunham-noah-hawley-steven-canals-tv-director-roundtable-1234964686/
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jun 19, 2021, 09:07:01 PM
sounds like ridley's been saying his ideas suck.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 19, 2021, 10:03:38 PM
I'd go right back at Ridley.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2021, 10:35:15 PM
Maybe there will be enough creative tension between all parties involved to yield another Alien 3-style fascinating conundrum? :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 19, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
You can read that statement all kinds of ways but my paranoid mind made me think they were trying to develop the Alien series without the Alien............again.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2021, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 19, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
You can read that statement all kinds of ways but my paranoid mind made me think they were trying to develop the Alien series without the Alien............again.

I don't think that's the case, since this is the imagery they used when they announced the show:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eo6VvgqVoA0LOmz?format=jpg&name=large)

What I personally took from Hawley's words there is just some more general comments about the nature of working within an established brand (which he's done twice over now, with Fargo and Legion's connection to the X-Men brand) and the restrictions that come along with that, and deciding when and how to really "push back" against the general expectations in order to shake it up a bit and do something new while facing off resistance from the higher ups to stick to the status quo.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: David Weyland on Jun 19, 2021, 11:02:04 PM
It's funny how in a sense the end of Covenant is a kind of narrative insurance policy for Ridley's ideas:
If Film did well, on it quickly goes-Film did bad, well at least the story arc will be unresolved; staking out it's vision that even if sidelined, eventually will have to be addressed
If they sideline the prequel arc and focus on something else or do something in mixing up the canon ie. That Bloomkamp idea- David and his antics aboard the Covenant will cast an unresolved shadow over moving things forward, hopefully the tv series interweaves and counterpoints the prequels at the very least rather than ignores.
Wouldn't want new creative ideas to be inhibited but can understand if Ridley has a vision he wants to protect and finish
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 19, 2021, 11:13:47 PM
There definitely needs to be balance. 


I get so tired of the retreads of the first two movies, drawing from the first two films tropes, using the same factions, revisiting the same locations, answering questions nobody gave a damn about as a main selling point. 

But they are so familiar to the franchise you can't just abandon them either. 

That balance is tough.  I'd expand on known factions and locations and introduce others that make sense within the narrative.  But PLZ no more Hadley's Hope or Acheron stories, for the love of god.

I also don't like taking the franchise in some crazy ass direction.  As much as White showed the positive potential of the black goo, I still think that is going to be the most Marvel esque bullshit the franchise will ever be involved in and now it is in the series bones and will never leave without a total reboot.  NEED A SUPERVILLIAN FOR YOUR COMICS-BLACK GOO,  NEED TO MAKE THE ALIEN EVEN DEADLIER-BLACK GOO, NEED TO MAKE A HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENT-BLACK GOO.  Its that kind of shit that I totally wish was never introduced into the plot and its that kind of stuff that will not go away after it is introduced.  The BLACK GOO is more dangerous than the Aliens are.  I'm also totally against the engineer retcons.  15' tall biomechanical pilot species becomes a 10 tall blue bald dude who is seemingly just a wizened human.  I don't even know why it aggravates the f**k out of me it just does.

The writers/producers have to find the balance of moving forward from what is known, and not just haphazardly throwing a stick of new idea dynamite at the story for the lulz. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 19, 2021, 11:16:22 PM
And somehow manage to pull off whatever balance they're going for with an Earth setting, at that.

Though I do remain a firm supporter of the pathogen and Covenant! ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2021, 12:44:36 AM
Just hire on Alex White permanently, as an insurance policy, against the Pathogen ever being Prometheus bullshit again.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 20, 2021, 01:20:09 AM
yeah, he can be a better creative consultant than everyone who worked in the prequels.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2021, 01:49:12 AM
https://twitter.com/alexwhitebooks/status/1337210505623203848

;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2021, 02:22:26 AM
Pick up the goddamn phone Noah!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 20, 2021, 03:06:58 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 20, 2021, 02:22:26 AM
Pick up the goddamn phone Noah!

You think he needs help with the arc?*












*truly sorry
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2021, 03:13:02 AM
Ridley can send over an Ark from that other show he's producing if that helps.

(https://25yearslatersite.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Raised-by-Wolves-S1E2-Campion-marvels-at-the-Ark-overhead.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 20, 2021, 03:22:48 AM
Ridley can send over Noah in the form of Russel Crowe to bring everyone into line.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 20, 2021, 05:52:25 AM
Ridley can f**k off. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2021, 12:25:07 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 20, 2021, 03:22:48 AM
Ridley can send over Noah in the form of Russel Crowe to bring everyone into line.

He tried. :D

https://youtu.be/COQ3ho-b8oY?t=161
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 20, 2021, 01:18:03 PM
With Ridley you get the whole package:

"Russell Crowe? Actually I wanted a female lead.."

"Streitenwho is scoring my series?"

"Luke Scott? He your son?"



Or maybe Mr. Hawley is audacious like Kimarhi?  ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Evanus on Jun 20, 2021, 03:43:17 PM
Streitenfeld scoring the show would be pretty cool actually, especially if it's got connections to Prometheus.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 20, 2021, 05:11:50 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

From what we've seen, this is going to be 100% up Scott's street anyway.

Given the overall aesthetic of the promo imagery used back in December when the show was announced, my gut tells me that this implies hidden Engineer architecture on Earth; a la the hidden Forerunner tech and structures on Earth and other colonies in Halo.

My apologies, I didn't mean in terms of what we've seen of the promo stuff.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 20, 2021, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 20, 2021, 05:11:50 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 16, 2021, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 14, 2021, 10:53:40 PM
Maybe that's because Ridley has already folded the third prequel into this series. ;)

From what we've seen, this is going to be 100% up Scott's street anyway.

Given the overall aesthetic of the promo imagery used back in December when the show was announced, my gut tells me that this implies hidden Engineer architecture on Earth; a la the hidden Forerunner tech and structures on Earth and other colonies in Halo.

My apologies, I didn't mean in terms of what we've seen of the promo stuff.

Oh, I know, I was just using the promo material in conjunction with your statement/knowledge about the project to fulfill my own specific set of wishes internally. :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 20, 2021, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jun 20, 2021, 01:18:03 PM
With Ridley you get the whole package:

"Russell Crowe? Actually I wanted a female lead.."

"Streitenwho is scoring my series?"

"Luke Scott? He your son?"



Or maybe Mr. Hawley is audacious like Kimarhi?  ;)

Aside from David, Scott hasn't given the franchise anything worth talking about since 1979. 

I suspect he grows bored having to stay with any one franchise for too long, or doesn't like playing in others established universes (yes he started it and has spent the most time in it but other directors have been involved as well its not only his), and thus he always is looking to radicalize anything to do with the Alienverse to make it more interesting to him.

I personally cannot stand Prometheus, and despite its strong sales figures, going by the law of diminishing returns with Covenant, I don't think many other people cared for the arc either. 

His involvement in the franchise is overrated.  At this point I'd rather have Cameron's input.  Or even Fincher's.  Scott is too unfocused with no clear idea on where he wants to go and everybody hanging on to every word he says like he is going to turn around the franchise boggles the mind when he had two more attempts to do it than anyone else .......AND STILL FAILED.

He is not an overrated director, but as a statesman of the series, his input is overrated. 
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Post by: kwisatz on Jun 20, 2021, 10:21:18 PM
You're not wrong with the focus aspect, yet I still think screenplay is key to everything when it comes to rate Scott's filmography.

Prometheus screenplay is mediocre AT BEST, in parts it almost reads like fan fiction, which is astonishing given the size of the project. And yet Ridley has skin in the blame game here since he greenlighted it and decided to make a film based upon it (same with Covenant).

Covenant's screenplay is more or less uninspired and therefore uninteresting to me (it has it's fans though; in before NA, TQ etc) but is undoubtly competently written in terms of basic narrative stuff. Could another director have made more of it? Maybe but I don't actually see that much room for improvement here. I guess there always is though.

In essence: Take any great Scott film and imo you'll find a great screenplay constituting the base for it's quality. 

But again there are other problems too, you've already mentioned some. I think during filming Scott gets these little ideas that can be great but can also fukk the grander narrative up in a way that could end up damaging the final product significantly. In these cases Scott would indeed need someone who tells him to fukk off but obviously that has over the time become harder and harder with Ridley (rightfully tho) building up his reputation even expanding his control over the writing process. Over super early stadiums even I suppose, where you can easily fukk things up in a way that  makes it impossible to repair them later in the process (like in Prometheus's case where Scott kinda randomly threw his "ideas" at Lindelof who maybe even made the best of it, who knows).
   
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2021, 11:05:00 PM
Getting Fincher back in's far more interesting to me than the idea of Cameron or another Scott project, frankly I don't think Cameron's half the director he used to be without Gale Ann Hurd, and Scott's a known quantity at this point.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jun 20, 2021, 11:49:46 PM
Cameron generally seems to stick to his guns when it comes to ideas.  That would be the primary reason I'd want his input.  Idea in mind, set a goal, finished product without all the craziness.

But you will never get Cameron back because I think he personally finds the Alienverse too limiting.  I believe it was the scriptment of Avatar where he basically trashed the Alien as being non threatening.  Something about one of his monsters fitting in one of his avatar's creatures mouth or something.  It was written as being derogatory to the Alien.


Fincher is also done with the franchise because of his experience with Alien 3.  So Scott IS most likely the only one giving new input, its just a shame because he's a crazy old man. 

At this point I'd rather them develop something without his name attached in the universe than have him involved again. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jun 21, 2021, 12:01:26 AM
The Thanator would eat an Alien Queen for breakfast or something like that.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 21, 2021, 12:16:22 AM
Get Aster or Eggers (top of my head) to write a script on their own and I'm 90% even present-day Scott wouldn't fukk it up.

He needs to like it though. But even present-day Scott likes good screenplays. Someone needs to tell him which is which though.  ;D

It already worked in Blade Runner 2049's case (I'm pretty sure Scott was more than just "consulted" here). 

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Post by: Evanus on Jun 21, 2021, 12:49:49 AM
Cameron and Fincher will never return. Personally I just want Scott to finish his prequel story, after that I don't really care what happens.

I'm surprised the show is seemingly right up Scott's street though. Hope we'll get official info about the show soon.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 21, 2021, 01:11:34 AM
Yep, same. I want to see Scott finish his prequel narrative, but then after that, move onto something new with someone new. The big appeal of the Alien franchise to me is seeing how each new filmmaker interprets the material in their own film(s), and Scott is but one of those filmmakers with a currently unfinished vision.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 21, 2021, 02:15:59 AM
Perfectly understandable that is.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 21, 2021, 09:02:42 AM
Scott it is then, because Cameron's dull to me and Fincher just never will...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 21, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
I think it's well known around here that I'd like a third Scott prequel to wrap that stuff up, but aside from that, I think new blood is what's needed (or a long period of dormancy...).

Fresh director, preferably fairly new on the scene like Scott, Cameron, Fincher were at the time etc. Fresh locations, new characters. The only memberberries should be a general well-used look and Gigers creature designs.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 21, 2021, 09:27:08 PM
 
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 21, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
I think it's well known around here that I'd like a third Scott prequel to wrap that stuff up, but aside from that, I think new blood is what's needed (or a long period of dormancy...). Fresh director, preferably fairly new on the scene like Scott, Cameron, Fincher were at the time etc. Fresh locations, new characters. The only memberberries should be a general well-used look and Gigers creature designs.

I love love love you just, wanted an excuse to say it.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 21, 2021, 09:28:37 PM
 :-*
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 21, 2021, 09:29:26 PM
<3
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Post by: kwisatz on Jun 21, 2021, 10:03:09 PM
They both at the very end of the Users Online Box right this moment.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 21, 2021, 10:30:44 PM
Are you insinuating something?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 21, 2021, 10:33:07 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 21, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
I think it's well known around here that I'd like a third Scott prequel to wrap that stuff up, but aside from that, I think new blood is what's needed (or a long period of dormancy...).

Fresh director, preferably fairly new on the scene like Scott, Cameron, Fincher were at the time etc. Fresh locations, new characters. The only memberberries should be a general well-used look and Gigers creature designs.

That sounds like a smart direction for this IP. I wonder if such a cool director can be found on any of these lists, or if we're going to have to wait a bit longer.

IMDb ~ Top 20 Rising Directors (https://www.imdb.com/list/ls025674010/)

IMDb ~ Top 50 Upcoming Directors (https://www.imdb.com/list/ls028571572/)

Top 50 Variety Names 10 Directors to Watch for 2021 (https://variety.com/2020/film/news/variety-10-directors-to-watch-for-2021-1234852110/)

Edit ~ Blomkamp is in the second list.  ;D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 21, 2021, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 21, 2021, 10:30:44 PM
Are you insinuating something?

Out of the question!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 21, 2021, 10:46:12 PM
Haha doubtful.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 21, 2021, 11:17:37 PM
One director that I do fully expect to pop up for at least one episode of this show's run is Sergio Mimica-Gezzan. He directed some exceptional episodes of Battlestar Galactica (and Ron Moore must have quite liked working with him there, as he's been back directing for Moore again on For All Mankind, which I intend to start watching soon), and also has history with shows produced by Ridley Scott, as he directed a few episodes of The Terror and every episode of The Pillars of the Earth (both of which I have not seen) as well as two very strong episodes of the first season of Raised By Wolves.

He also directed the Ridley Scott-produced Halo: Nightfall... but that was really bad and it is best to pretend that that one just doesn't exist. :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 22, 2021, 12:14:05 AM
I haven't seen The Pillars of the Earth, but The Terror is one of the best works Scott Free has been involved in. If anyone can write scripts like that for a science fiction series, the final result could be quite nice.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 22, 2021, 07:21:20 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 21, 2021, 10:33:07 PMEdit ~ Blomkamp is in the second list.  ;D

Blomkamp's an excellent director for an Alien movie, I just don't really want him anywhere near writing it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 22, 2021, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 22, 2021, 07:21:20 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 21, 2021, 10:33:07 PMEdit ~ Blomkamp is in the second list.  ;D

Blomkamp's an excellent director for an Alien movie, I just don't really want him anywhere near writing it.

Given the trajectory of his career thus far, I don't think Blomkamp really has any intention of directing anything that he isn't at minimum co-writing. He's gone on record in interviews in the past stating that being on set is his least favorite part of the filmmaking process, as it is where he feels the most constrained by schedule and other sources beyond his control, whereas writing and editing are the stages in development where he's much more creatively free and at home with what he's doing. Seems to him that the on set directing process is just kind of the obligatory stage in the middle of that.

Given his mentality there, I don't think that directing someone else's material where he had no hand in the script is something he'd ever really do.
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Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 22, 2021, 01:12:52 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 22, 2021, 07:21:20 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 21, 2021, 10:33:07 PMEdit ~ Blomkamp is in the second list.  ;D

Blomkamp's an excellent director for an Alien movie, I just don't really want him anywhere near writing it.

I tend to have this opinion also.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jun 22, 2021, 01:30:55 PM
Thirded!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 22, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
I find it funny when people rag on Ridley for his prequels but laud Blomkamp for his proposed movie, because in my mind they're both very similar as directors - excellent when it comes to visual style but sorely lacking in the script department. (I know Ridley doesn't write his movies, but by all accounts he was heavily involved in the process for both Prometheus and Covenant, and he's proven several times in his career that his eye for a good script is less than reliable.)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 22, 2021, 02:53:41 PM
For me, in this particular scenario, it all really boils down to me personally finding the ideas Ridley was exploring at the core of Covenant to be much more interesting than the ideas that Blomkamp was looking to explore in his film.

Prometheus' script is a damn mess, but I actually find Covenant's to be quite strong (barring the third act mini Alien remake on the ship), and both benefit further from Ridley's vision behind the camera.

I think I'd probably be cool with a Blomkamp Alien film, and I find his career and his stylistic tendencies in general to be quite interesting (I really like both District 9 and Chappie, and Elysium is interesting in its theme and visuals despite its rampant structural and narrative issues). I just don't think I would have liked the particular Alien film he was looking to make.

I still maintain that him losing out on doing a Robocop sequel is a much bigger loss than him not doing an Aliens sequel.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: skhellter on Jun 22, 2021, 03:11:28 PM
A lot of the ideas that Ridley was exploring only worked due to John Logan executing them.

And Logan doesn't seem to be involved with Ridley's future Alien work...

so what are the chances of Ridley delivering something as bad as Prometheus...

And Luke Scott doesn't exactly inspire trust..
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 22, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
Given John Logan's.... history..... perhaps he can resurrect a certain clone already baked into the story of the Alien franchise. ;)

Spoiler
(https://www.startrek.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x628/public/images/2019-07/7bcd91571fc1119e87d81e1054255e73.jpg?itok=ySsqRaa2)

Same costume designer that did Ripley 8's costume as well, I believe.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/260215_02a.png)
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Post by: seattle24 on Jul 01, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley

Fresh info. Sounding promising in my opinion.
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Post by: MudButt on Jul 01, 2021, 04:39:35 PM
Sounds interesting! Looks like filming starts in Spring 2022 so we should get late 2022 or early 2023.

I can see this being a November/December release.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: seattle24 on Jul 01, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley

Fresh info. Sounding promising in my opinion.

Well shit. Actual details.

Nice to hear Alien 3 and Fincher actually getting a shout out by Hawley. Still not thrilled about the idea to set it on Earth but I intend to go in as open-minded as possible, and the core premise definitely strikes a chord within this franchise.

Humanity caught between a primordial past and an AI future is also an interesting bit of phrasing.
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Post by: Xenomorphine on Jul 01, 2021, 05:48:41 PM
Quote from: seattle24 on Jul 01, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley

"Paul Reiser is middle management at best."

Being Special Projects Director would seem higher than just being middle management.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 01, 2021, 05:52:59 PM
That could also be an entirely bullshitty corporate title designed to make him feel better about himself than he otherwise would.

Either way, I've never thought he was especially powerful in the grand scheme of company things.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 01, 2021, 05:56:48 PM
Showrunner Noah Hawley reveals New Details and a Progress Report on his Upcoming Alien TV Series!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/07/01/showrunner-noah-hawley-reveals-new-details-and-a-progress-report-on-his-upcoming-alien-tv-series/
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 01, 2021, 05:58:34 PM
f**king BASED Noah Hawley

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/xUPGckCFEsAZwUPi6s/giphy.gif)

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Post by: Lost_Hunter on Jul 01, 2021, 06:01:40 PM
This sounds good and Hawley seems like a fan. Still going to need some convincing on it being set on earth. But he's explaining something I've always wanted to see. Who's interested in harnessing the Alien in the movies and why? I hope there's room for some Space Jockey or Engineer characters that would be awesome.


*I know the company wanted it for the bio-weapons devision but that always seemed to hand wavey for me. I liked the angle in Labyrinth much better.
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Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Should they pull this off well it can be a cautionary tale of the company's greed and the lengths they go to to meet their bottom line.

Not to speak so soon some may misread the "On some level it's also a story about inequality" as being woke agenda.
Rather preposterous to assume since Alien displayed tension with the Nostromo crew from the hierarchy, their fees and bonuses, the corruption of the corporation and Ripley not being a damsel. Should the writing be good and its executed good it shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: seattle24 on Jul 01, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley
So he's basically saying that AvP: Requiem won't be the worst thing that ever happened to this franchise after his TV Show? It's incredible how they can screw this up over and over again.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Not to speak so soon some may misread the "On some level it's also a story about inequality" as being woke agenda.
You also forgot "spread the wealth"  :)

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Rather preposterous to assume since Alien displayed tension with the Nostromo crew from the hierarchy, their fees and bonuses, the corruption of the corporation and Ripley not being a damsel. Should the writing be good and its executed good it shouldn't be a problem.
You miss one important detail: those films were written and directed by much more talented people than Hawley and they were done a long long time ago, when those quotes wouldn't sound suspicious.

Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Jul 01, 2021, 06:01:40 PMHawley seems like a fan.
Yeah, that's why he's ignoring all the films in the franchise.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 01, 2021, 06:58:57 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Not to speak so soon some may misread the "On some level it's also a story about inequality" as being woke agenda.

Already happening in droves.

Even I admit to some skepticism as to how likely Hollywood is to hear "inequality" and let it just (or mostly) be about class and not race, gender etc, but Hawley seems to get left to his own devices for the most part so hopefully we get whatever his vision is without any design-by-committee stuff or meddling execs goofing with the bees.

Quote from: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: seattle24 on Jul 01, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley
So he's basically saying that AvP: Requiem won't be the worst thing that ever happened to this franchise after his TV Show? It's incredible how they can screw this up over and over again.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Not to speak so soon some may misread the "On some level it's also a story about inequality" as being woke agenda.
You also forgot "spread the wealth"  :)
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Rather preposterous to assume since Alien displayed tension with the Nostromo crew from the hierarchy, their fees and bonuses, the corruption of the corporation and Ripley not being a damsel. Should the writing be good and its executed good it shouldn't be a problem.
You miss one important detail: those films were written and directed by much more talented people than Hawley and they were done a long long time ago, when those quotes wouldn't sound suspicious.


Lol, right on cue.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Jul 01, 2021, 07:08:37 PM
Noah hawley spread the wealth line is worrying the alien franchise has went through enough already.But while were on that topic it be neat if the UPP make a appearance.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 01, 2021, 07:22:09 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 01, 2021, 05:56:48 PM
Showrunner Noah Hawley reveals New Details and a Progress Report on his Upcoming Alien TV Series!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/07/01/showrunner-noah-hawley-reveals-new-details-and-a-progress-report-on-his-upcoming-alien-tv-series/

"It's a story that's set on Earth also. The alien stories are always trapped... Trapped in a prison, trapped in a space ship. I thought it would be interesting to open it up a little bit so that the stakes of "What happens if you can't contain it?" are more immediate."

Something like a Pandemic?  :D

(https://i.ibb.co/FK408DN/Pics-Art-07-01-02-39-15.png)

But seriously, I wonder if he's going to draw some references to current events, more or less like when Scott was inspired by the islands of anthrax from WWII in Prometheus. 🤔

"Scott confirms the planet we saw in Prometheus was a military research outpost, which he based on what he learned about Anthrax Island where they developed anthrax during World War II."

'Alien: Covenant': 38 Things We Learned from Ridley Scott's Audio Commentary (https://collider.com/alien-covenant-trivia/)

I've seen Legion and all the Fargo seasons, and I trust that at least the execution will live up to the best of Alien, regardless of the controversial choice of setting. I hope they pick up good actors & actresses, like in Fargo. I mean gosh, have you seen that show? some performances are gold, notably that of Kirsten Dunst!  :o 8)

Having said that ... release the Plagiarus praepotens outbreak and all the corporate intrigue courtesy of Noah Hawley. I'm going to put my hands on fire for this man and I know I won't be severely burned. 🔥 8)🔥 8)🔥 8)



Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Jul 01, 2021, 06:01:40 PM
This sounds good and Hawley seems like a fan. Still going to need some convincing on it being set on earth. But he's explaining something I've always wanted to see. Who's interested in harnessing the Alien in the movies and why? I hope there's room for some Space Jockey or Engineer characters that would be awesome.

Yes, they need something like that, definitely. The odd, truth-is-stranger-than-fiction element that triggers cosnpiranoic paranoia in characters, etc.  :laugh:
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 07:25:47 PM
The political angle here is the last thing to be complaining about. :D That is all right in line with the portrayal of the world in the first three films (and the one we're living in right now).

My biggest hangup/cause for concern right now lies in how muddied that inherent political stance might become in the grand scheme of things (fellow mega-corp Disney is bank rolling this thing, after all – I hope it doesn't try to justify the angles that Weyland-Yutani is playing), the Earth setting, which I'm still having trouble coming to grips with in an Alien narrative, and what the show is actually going to look like. Not just in the design of the world, but cinematically as well. The Alien franchise has already been brought to life by four of the finest filmmakers of their generation, and I hope to see that legacy carried on in this series. I want to see something here with a very distinct vision and something to say. Something that's going to look damn good while saying it.

Great to hear that a couple scripts are written and that there's a projected start date for production. I eagerly anticipate further details and look forward to seeing what comes of this.
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Post by: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 07:37:33 PM
first post in a while, oof  :P

i wasn't too concerned with the earth setting to begin with, and hawley's comment has only cemented that. segueing for a second, which actors would we like to see borrowed from fargo/legion?

jemaine clement is great, dan stevens would be a good lead
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 01, 2021, 07:55:01 PM
Entertainment has always been political, so no issue here either.  :P
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: marrerom on Jul 01, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
QuoteIt's a story that's set on Earth also. The alien stories are always trapped... Trapped in a prison, trapped in a space ship. I thought it would be interesting to open it up a little bit so that the stakes of "What happens if you can't contain it?" are more immediate.

Well, Shit. The creativity well must be bone dry. I was cautiously optimistic that this show would have potential (There are a lot of interesting ways to tell a story when not constricted by a 2 hour theatrical runtime).  Now, I fear that we are in for a retread of AvP/AvP-R. I just hate the idea of Aliens being on Earth. I mean, It seems that the only way for this tv series to NOT contradict the films would be if they set it after Alien Resurrection.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 01, 2021, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: seattle24 on Jul 01, 2021, 03:43:38 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/07/alien-tv-series-noah-hawley
So he's basically saying that AvP: Requiem won't be the worst thing that ever happened to this franchise after his TV Show? It's incredible how they can screw this up over and over again.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Not to speak so soon some may misread the "On some level it's also a story about inequality" as being woke agenda.
You also forgot "spread the wealth"  :)

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Rather preposterous to assume since Alien displayed tension with the Nostromo crew from the hierarchy, their fees and bonuses, the corruption of the corporation and Ripley not being a damsel. Should the writing be good and its executed good it shouldn't be a problem.
You miss one important detail: those films were written and directed by much more talented people than Hawley and they were done a long long time ago, when those quotes wouldn't sound suspicious.

Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Jul 01, 2021, 06:01:40 PMHawley seems like a fan.
Yeah, that's why he's ignoring all the films in the franchise.

I'm laughing so much it's starting to hurt.

(https://i.imgflip.com/osqdo.jpg)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Jul 01, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
QuoteIt's a story that's set on Earth also. The alien stories are always trapped... Trapped in a prison, trapped in a space ship. I thought it would be interesting to open it up a little bit so that the stakes of "What happens if you can't contain it?" are more immediate.

Well, Shit. The creativity well must be bone dry. I was cautiously optimistic that this show would have potential (There are a lot of interesting ways to tell a story when not constricted by a 2 hour theatrical runtime).  Now, I fear that we are in for a retread of AvP/AvP-R. I just hate the idea of Aliens being on Earth. I mean, It seems that the only way for this tv series to NOT contradict the films would be if they set it after Alien Resurrection.

Contradictions with the films are neither here nor there to me, to be completely honest. I just want it to be good, first and foremost.

If it all works into a neat canon, awesome! If not, that's cool too. I'm more concerned with Halwey actually being able to say what he wants to say with the series (and with whether or not what he wants to say is actually going to be interesting), than I am in whether or not the series falls nearly onto a timeline.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 01, 2021, 08:08:16 PM
Pretty much, and we already know he's fully acknowledged the first three films multiple times now, whether it's actually in continuity with them we do not yet know.
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Post by: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
i don't quite understand why people are stressing out when they're not even filming until next year  ???

maybe wait until we actually see it before judging?
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 01, 2021, 08:14:05 PM
People tend to enjoy hating things that do not fit their own world view.
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Post by: lv_226 on Jul 01, 2021, 08:20:17 PM
Hello all! It's been a while, but figured I would post again.

Well, this is certainly an interesting time to be alive. An Alien TV show, eh? From the interview it seems like they are playing with interesting ideas and working hard to make them coalesce into something that will hopefully live up to the legacy of the originals. I know I am not alone when I say that I hope to God that they are able to retain the cosmic horror elements of the original with regard to the Alien. The "Alien as a commodity" can work from many different frameworks; hell, it was THE framework in the original trilogy, but whether or not it can actually be harnessed is a tough call because Resurrection showed just how cartoonish that could be. If the Alien is allowed to retain its mystery and hostility, this could work out very well. One thing I would like to see is Engineer tech discovered on Earth somehow having to do with this story, found through some archeological dig? It could somehow tie into the AI and primordial origins story that were Prometheus and Covenant.
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Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 08:29:14 PM
@TomT

Must've missed that part, Geesh, that is statement pushy with socialism.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 08:30:25 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 08:29:14 PM
@TomT

Must've missed that part, Geesh, that is statement pushy with socialism.

Weird, I know, for a notoriously pro-capitalist franchise like Alien.
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Post by: acrediblesource on Jul 01, 2021, 08:30:54 PM
logically, from the stand point of today's relevancy, making it set on earth about an un-contained alien presence is very promising. Everyone in the 90s wanted stuff to be still your basic formula of us fighting Xenos whether on earth or not. I think there is something else in mind that encompasses the franchise as a whole including the myths in Prometheus. I hope they stretch it out to like 14 episodes or multiple seasons but since its not based on a book or anything this is still  a very risky hit or miss franchise.

The fan films put out by Fox or whomever proved that taking on the same subject matter in conceptually the same film scenario was less than extraordinary. So i hope its more fresh this time with Noah Hawley as Director.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 01, 2021, 08:39:15 PM
I'm rather fond of Specimen.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 01, 2021, 08:41:25 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
i don't quite understand why people are stressing out when they're not even filming until next year  ???

maybe wait until we actually see it before judging?

Yup, it's too early to draw conclusions or even opinions. Until we learn something or experiences the final product it will be a "Here, There Be Dragons" the whole time.  :laugh:
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Post by: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 08:45:38 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 08:09:39 PM
i don't quite understand why people are stressing out when they're not even filming until next year  ???

maybe wait until we actually see it before judging?
There's enough information to judge this thing. And Hawley is not James Cameron or some other A+ list director to still trust him with the most questionable take on the material possible.

Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 01, 2021, 08:14:05 PM
People tend to enjoy hating things that do not fit their own world view.
I really liked Mank, even though I'm not a socialist. You can enjoy things you disagree with if it's actually good. Maybe this TV show just sounds like shit from all the available information? You know, just think about this possibility.
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Post by: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
haha i have no clue how you can judge something that won't even start filming for another nine months
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Post by: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 08:58:11 PM
Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
haha i have no clue how you can judge something that won't even start filming for another nine months
I'd agree with this statement in many cases, but there are a couple of projects that are doomed just from the basic concept, equivalent of "wtf were they thinking when they greenlighted this". This looks exactly like one of them. Alien franchise is no stranger to those kind of studio decisions.

@XENOMORPHOSIS
It definitely sounds like it is, at least in today's climate.
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Post by: David Weyland on Jul 01, 2021, 09:44:28 PM
I wonder if it will showcase the inequalities of androids 🤔
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Post by: Huggs on Jul 01, 2021, 09:48:34 PM
Well, there it is.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 01, 2021, 10:04:51 PM
So if Spring 2022 is Noah's target for filming, I would wager it's going to premiere early 2023 the earliest, leaving me just a little bummed we have wait that long!
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 10:07:36 PM
At the rate we're going, we might be on track for one more interview/bit of news between now and release if the current pace keeps up. ;)
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Post by: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 10:11:20 PM
placing bets on a series premiere of april 26, 2023? (which is a wednesday)
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Post by: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 10:20:18 PM
What ever form this TV Show takes, there's the worry it could have poorly done cgi like Sarah Connor Chronicles "even though the show holds up the effects don't" I'd in ways be more eager for a Predator TV Show, applying the murder mystery style Predator 2 but in various time eras.
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Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 01, 2021, 10:23:59 PM
Yeah definitely something like Predator 2 could have played out well in an episodic format I think!

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 10:07:36 PM
At the rate we're going, we might be on track for one more interview/bit of news between now and release if the current pace keeps up. ;)

Errrrrr.... yep! lol

This is really awful, but for some reason when I first read Noah's quote about bursting our bubble / doing the show right, it harkened me back to one of Cameron's responses to an Avatar 2 delay a few years ago - some sort of better to delay and get it right.  And that's not what I want my brain to be going to here! :laugh:

Quote from: j0nesy on Jul 01, 2021, 10:11:20 PM
placing bets on a series premiere of april 26, 2023? (which is a wednesday)

Let's hope when Noah says Spring he means March versus May or June!
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Post by: SiL on Jul 01, 2021, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 01, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
Rather preposterous to assume since Alien displayed tension with the Nostromo crew from the hierarchy, their fees and bonuses, the corruption of the corporation and Ripley not being a damsel. Should the writing be good and its executed good it shouldn't be a problem.
You miss one important detail: those films were written and directed by much more talented people than Hawley and they were done a long long time ago, when those quotes wouldn't sound suspicious.
The films were always explicitly anti-capitalist and were acknowledged as such at the time.
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Post by: Richman678 on Jul 01, 2021, 11:49:46 PM
Hope they don't turn it into a woke fest. I have faith in Hawkey though.

Still not sure i like it's on earth.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2021, 12:34:32 AM
The "screw the diverse entertaining-political correctness-any political reverence" bandwagon seems to forget themes of their beloved lore, or how political entertaining can be.  :laugh:




I just saw this in my recommendation, I think it's from Collider. 😜

(https://i.ibb.co/3kCQKx0/Pics-Art-07-01-08-02-13.png)

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Post by: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 12:53:28 AM
Yeah man! f**k political themes about corporations and rich people using lower classes like lifeless things, because after all this is a franchise about.. corporations.. using lower classes.. as expandable assets to get to the titular alien. Do people that complain about wOkEnEsS and Pc cUlTuRe even remember what the plot for these movies are?
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Post by: Evanus on Jul 02, 2021, 01:05:24 AM
Yeah, all this "ugh it's too woke" shit is kinda really dumb.

Anyway, I like the sound of this. Still a bit worried about the earth setting and when it takes place, but I like what Hawley's saying here.
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Post by: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 02:05:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hPylxKe.png)
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Post by: SiL on Jul 02, 2021, 03:23:08 AM
Glorious.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 02, 2021, 03:34:06 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 02:05:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hPylxKe.png)

You have all my love <3
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Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 02, 2021, 03:57:24 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 02:05:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hPylxKe.png)

How can you compare when the "have politic bad" haven't been released yet?

It's all about the execution.
If you got a good movie, with a proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue, no one cares about a political analogy.
It has to feel natural. Pieces have to picked because they're right for the part, so everything fits nicely together.
As soon as the pieces (actors, storylines, themes,...) are picked just to check certain boxes, it feels forced and gets bothersome.

It's like talking about something without sounding preachy and pushy.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 02, 2021, 04:05:34 AM
I expect it to be political.



And if anything deserves to be outrightly so-

It's Alien.
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Post by: Xenomorphine on Jul 02, 2021, 04:22:01 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 08:30:25 PM
Weird, I know, for a notoriously pro-capitalist franchise like Alien.

They were anti-corporate, but that's not the same as being anti-Capitalist. The films have never really focused on criticising the economic model of Capitalism, itself (or advocating the alternative).

Heck, even Parker was constantly focused on shares and "the bonus situation". Him and Brett were all about the money. :)

The closest the sequel got was the understandable concern about the Nostromo's huge monetary value, from an insurance perspective. The criticisms Ripley exhibits are all about Burke's sleazy corporate attitude and his sociopathic indifference to human life, nothing about Capitalism.

Yes, the company is hungry to get its hands on exploiting the creatures, but you'd get that from a similar entity operating under a Communist-style regime, too. Indeed, the recent Gibson script revival depicts that very same scenario occuring. And the USM, in the fourth film, is very much a big government-led initiative, not a private company. We could even go to the prequels and Daniels semi-championing personal property rights, in the form of the small home she was going to build with her significant other.

Anti-corporate, yes. Anti-Capitalist, not so much. You can be against cronyism, corruption and workplace abuse and still be pro-Capitalist.

And let's not forgot that if Weyland-Yutani is half as much of a monopoly as the EU paints it as being, it has no real competitors we're aware of. That's not really Capitalism. Competition is something the free market depends upon and needs in order to thrive.
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Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 02, 2021, 04:34:34 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jul 02, 2021, 04:05:34 AM
I expect it to be political.



And if anything deserves to be outrightly so-

It's Alien.

Don't care as long as it's quality. That's all that matters.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 02, 2021, 04:40:48 AM
Then I recommend people make their judgements by watching Noah Hawley's other takes on existing IPs to see how he tends to handle it.
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Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 02, 2021, 05:23:26 AM
I remember liking Fargo season 1, 2 and kinda 4.
If he can turn that weird/interesting/funny thing into weird/interesting/creepy other thing, it should at least be better than average.
But as with most things, I try not to get my hopes up.
If I did hope, it's for a conclusion before David's story.
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 02, 2021, 05:35:48 AM
He can definitely do creepy in human characters and in Inhuman ones.

Legion proved that to me and he gets influences from interesting places.

And used only practical monsters so far apart from one.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 02, 2021, 08:40:54 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 02:05:15 AM(https://i.imgur.com/hPylxKe.png)

:laugh:
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Post by: GoroPredator on Jul 02, 2021, 09:07:39 AM
I really do hope that I'm wrong but going by that description, in this day and age, I'm guessing the poor people will be predominately woman and minorities with the typical gay character through in there to mix up the drama. They'll be shown as "tough"/violent but somehow misunderstood whereas the rich will be portrayed as irredeemably evil and very likely white. Why not just let Blomkamp make another District 9 cause this sounds right up his alley.
Noah did good with the 1st season of legion but then tried to shift the focus to having Syd being the saviour despite showing her being just as bad as David. Spoiler ( She brands David a rapist despite her doing a similar thing to her stepdad). Fans called him out for the hypocrisy and of course that was ignored.
The dude's a mixed bag, could make something worthwhile but that description doesn't give me much confidence. With Predator also getting the woke treatment I almost wish the series fell into a deep hyper sleep, both franchise have been so beaten done and it just doesn't look the quality will ever return. 
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Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 02, 2021, 10:05:42 AM
David's indeed a rapist, just because Syd also assaulted someone does not make what he did all okay, even if it makes them hypocrites- but as you know he and she gained absolution (not redemption) in the final Season.

I do not think he handled Lenny as a typical queer so I do not see any reason he will make that mistake here.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jul 01, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
Well, Shit. The creativity well must be bone dry. I was cautiously optimistic that this show would have potential (There are a lot of interesting ways to tell a story when not constricted by a 2 hour theatrical runtime).  Now, I fear that we are in for a retread of AvP/AvP-R. I just hate the idea of Aliens being on Earth. I mean, It seems that the only way for this tv series to NOT contradict the films would be if they set it after Alien Resurrection.

I can guarantee you 100% right now that it's nothing like AvP or AvPR. It'd take some major back to the beginning to make it even remotely like that.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 07:25:47 PM
The political angle here is the last thing to be complaining about. :D That is all right in line with the portrayal of the world in the first three films (and the one we're living in right now).

My biggest hangup/cause for concern right now lies in how muddied that inherent political stance might become in the grand scheme of things (fellow mega-corp Disney is bank rolling this thing, after all – I hope it doesn't try to justify the angles that Weyland-Yutani is playing),

That's actually quite an interesting thought. The W-Y of entertainment owns Alien, a series that's very much against that kind of company..


Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 01, 2021, 10:23:59 PM
Yeah definitely something like Predator 2 could have played out well in an episodic format I think!

I think it'd struggle a bit if it just went straight forward like that - you know how much I loathe the characters having to play catch-up with the audience, so I'd hope to see something more going off there, something unique and new for the audience too.


Quote from: Richman678 on Jul 01, 2021, 11:49:46 PM
Hope they don't turn it into a woke fest. I have faith in Hawkey though.

Still not sure i like it's on earth.

Man, I wish I'd have saved his tweet. But to quote Tristan Jones - "Alien was never f**king asleep".


I'm actually quite interested in this from a thematic pov. I find myself relating to the conflict a lot as I get older and spend more time working for large companies and get to see the inept in positions of power and wealth. Naturally it'll all depend on execution, but I think the theme is very much at home with Alien.
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Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2021, 11:18:43 AM
I see the anti "woke" crowd has never seen an alien movie before :laugh:

It always pains me to hear people absorb and repeat stupidity with meaningless buzz words like "woke".
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Man, I wish I'd have saved his tweet. But to quote Tristan Jones - "Alien was never f**king asleep".

Got it!
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Post by: Captain Obvious on Jul 02, 2021, 11:44:04 AM
Seriously this is what sucks about forums, the lack of nuance around the political vs non political.  The "woke" and "anti woke" straw manning that goes on. People choose their side and stick to it full stop.

The Alien franchise is political, it always has been and I don't think I need to say why.
The Alien franchise has always had a diverse cast, again I don't think I need to explain why.

In my opinion I believe those saying its shouldn't be political or complaining about the "wokeness" mean one of two things:
1. They mean this literally - in which case they don't understand the franchise as it has always had political themes and a diverse cast.
2. The insertion of political themes that do not fit the story, but are included just because the director wants to send a message, or characters that are included solely for their identity traits.  Note I am not saying neither is not viable, I am saying it must be done to enrich the story and the characters need to be well written.

I agree the terms woke etc. are unhelpful, but it also doesn't help when this is all people focus on rather than the possible nuance.  At the end of the day we are all fans, share a community and surely want a great story so that it is well received and we get more great stories.
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Post by: skhellter on Jul 02, 2021, 11:48:55 AM
The interview seems to suggest that this will take place..

post-Alien3.

amirite?
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 02, 2021, 03:57:24 AM
If you got a good movie, with a proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue, no one cares about a political analogy.

Wait what? The political stance/analogy/aspirations of a film, what it is actually saying in conjunction with the "proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue" is a a major contributing factor in what actually makes a movie good. It is literally baked into that "good script" you're citing.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 02, 2021, 04:22:01 AM
Heck, even Parker was constantly focused on shares and "the bonus situation". Him and Brett were all about the money. :)

Because the corporate/capitalist-fueled society that they exist within is all about the money. Not like they exactly have any other options... which the film is very blatant about. Remind me again what mentality brought the creature itself on board and lead to... literally every single problem that the characters experience?
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Post by: Private Buttz on Jul 02, 2021, 01:30:33 PM
The problem with these films having political messages nowadays is that it's almost always entirely one sided. I miss the days when art would present and idea, or start a discussion but ultimately leave it up to the audience to decide. Sure it usually had a point of view, but these days stuff is bordering on propaganda. I'm tired a turning on a film to have someone's politics shoved down my throat. Here's hoping for some subtlety...
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Private Buttz on Jul 02, 2021, 01:30:33 PM
The problem with these films having political messages nowadays is that it's almost always entirely one sided. I miss the days when art would present and idea, or start a discussion but ultimately leave it up to the audience to decide. Sure it usually had a point of view, but these days stuff is bordering on propaganda. I'm tired a turning on a film to have someone's politics shoved down my throat. Here's hoping for some subtlety...

Nowadays? Remind me again in what era art was explicitly wishy washy and refused to commit to making any actual statements? Hate to break it to you but anything that's out there is making a statement.

Was it left "up to the audience to decide" if the mega-corporation that treated its employees as the means to an end for profit is actually bad? :D It was hardly subtle about it, either, seeing as that was quite literally the basis of the inciting incident that kicks the entire plot in motion...
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Post by: Xenomorphine on Jul 02, 2021, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 02, 2021, 04:34:34 AM
Don't care as long as it's quality. That's all that matters.

Truly. That's what matters.

The only thing about including politics is that, if it's really clearly about pushing a particular viewpoint for the sake of it (as opposed being there to serve the story), it can very easily undo a lot of otherwise genuinely good stuff and can stand out like a sore thumb. That's always the danger of making that stuff a focal point, as opposed to sub-text in the background.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
I think it'd struggle a bit if it just went straight forward like that - you know how much I loathe the characters having to play catch-up with the audience, so I'd hope to see something more going off there, something unique and new for the audience too.

I've often said this was a major flaw of 'Predator 2' and I remember reviews of the time mentioning it. While I don't think it got the execution right, it was also a big part of why I liked the idea behind the 'Hunters' comics: A group of characters who already knew as much about the Predators as the audience do.

Perhaps it could be like 'The Boys' or the 1990s 'Dark Skies' show: An outsider being brought into such an organisation, who serves to represent the view of unfamiliar viewers, while the group represents that of pre-existing fans. Interaction between the two helping to create drama when not enough budget for action scenes exists.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 02, 2021, 04:22:01 AM
Heck, even Parker was constantly focused on shares and "the bonus situation". Him and Brett were all about the money. :)

Because the corporate/capitalist-fueled society that they exist within is all about the money. Not like they exactly have any other options... which the film is very blatant about.

But nor did we see Parker or Brett lament it. They were happy to be rolling in money and owning shit.

I mean, what are we saying the films were supposedly advocating as an alternative economic model? Communism? A primitive bartering system? Or are we assuming regimes like that of China, Venezuela and North Korea are free from abuses and political corruption, because... No. :laugh: Ask people who suffered under it in Eastern Europe how they feel about it and they'll give you some real horror stories.

Either way, the films never really touched on the economic systems of nations. A look at Gateway Station was the closest we got to how things ran back home.

QuoteRemind me again what mentality brought the creature itself on board and lead to... literally every single problem that the characters experience?

Nothing which is peculiar to Capitalism, itself.

I mean, if anything, the way Weyland-Yutani and the USM went about going after the Alien with zero ethical safeguards has far more in common with how the Chinese Communist Party is presently going about conducting genetic engineering and biological warfare research (areas in which it's frighteningly ahead of the West in, for that same reason).

Quote from: Private Buttz on Jul 02, 2021, 01:30:33 PM
The problem with these films having political messages nowadays is that it's almost always entirely one sided. I miss the days when art would present and idea, or start a discussion but ultimately leave it up to the audience to decide. Sure it usually had a point of view, but these days stuff is bordering on propaganda. I'm tired a turning on a film to have someone's politics shoved down my throat. Here's hoping for some subtlety...

It really depends on how much of a focal point this stuff could be. Like you say, politics have often been a part of science-fiction, but they knew not to be too on the nose about it.

One of the great things about 'Babylon 5' was how it was the anti-'Star Trek' of its time: It openly acknowledged how problems like poverty would reach across not just demographic barriers, but species barriers, too. It represented a more realistic vision of the future, by actively reflecting those issues and revolving some episodes around it in clever ways. But it was always there to serve a story and shape events or a character's personal arc. Major characters and even entire species died because of it and the show made a point to deal with those consequences, which then affected other things.

But it didn't make a point of focusing on that to the detriment of the main story. The moment a show does that and pushes a political agenda in a painfully obvious ways, people are going to cringe and turn off in droves. Case in point being 'Falcon And the Winter Soldier', where a character made a speech decrying how literal terrorists shouldn't be labelled as terrorists (with the only visible response being the entire crowd solemnly nodding their heads in agreement).

Doesn't mean social issues shouldn't be touched on, but nobody's going to tune in because of them. And I doubt Disney is going to even dare to touch on, say, allegories for how slavery, concentration camps and human organ harvesting are widespread in China, even though you could easily use an ET race, like the Arcturians (or the UPP, itself, if they're taking stuff from the board game), to highlight such things and do some serious geopolitical good.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 02, 2021, 04:46:36 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 02, 2021, 03:45:39 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
I think it'd struggle a bit if it just went straight forward like that - you know how much I loathe the characters having to play catch-up with the audience, so I'd hope to see something more going off there, something unique and new for the audience too.

I've often said this was a major flaw of 'Predator 2' and I remember reviews of the time mentioning it. While I don't think it got the execution right, it was also a big part of why I liked the idea behind the 'Hunters' comics: A group of characters who already knew as much about the Predators as the audience do.

Hold da phone! Okay this one I have to push back my friends. :)

As not just a reader of reviews of Predator 2 but a collector of them during 1990, other than not having the gravitas of Arnold Schwarzenegger, critics labeled Predator 2 as ultra violent, trashy, tasteless, crass, classless, mean spirited, loud, obnoxious and dumb!  But a common complaint in 1990 was definitely not the audience being ahead of the characters - that I can attest to! ;D

But alas, with no recurring characters, you're not often going to be dealing with characters that know what they're dealing with - especially when we start delving into period pieces. But fortunately, it doesn't bother me like you fine gentlemen!
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: marrerom on Jul 02, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 01, 2021, 08:05:44 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Jul 01, 2021, 07:59:31 PM
QuoteIt's a story that's set on Earth also. The alien stories are always trapped... Trapped in a prison, trapped in a space ship. I thought it would be interesting to open it up a little bit so that the stakes of "What happens if you can't contain it?" are more immediate.

Well, Shit. The creativity well must be bone dry. I was cautiously optimistic that this show would have potential (There are a lot of interesting ways to tell a story when not constricted by a 2 hour theatrical runtime).  Now, I fear that we are in for a retread of AvP/AvP-R. I just hate the idea of Aliens being on Earth. I mean, It seems that the only way for this tv series to NOT contradict the films would be if they set it after Alien Resurrection.

Contradictions with the films are neither here nor there to me, to be completely honest. I just want it to be good, first and foremost.

If it all works into a neat canon, awesome! If not, that's cool too. I'm more concerned with Halwey actually being able to say what he wants to say with the series (and with whether or not what he wants to say is actually going to be interesting), than I am in whether or not the series falls nearly onto a timeline.

I get what you are saying, I really do, but for me the ability of any new Alien product (be it TV show or film) to fit in with existing lore & continuity is directly related to its quality. I have a STRONG attachment to the characters, story arcs, and mythology established in the Alien Films and for a new property to disregard them just doesn't work.  I mean, come on, If you aren't going to have an Alien TV series fit into the world/continuity established in the Alien films then what is the point? You might as well just make an original show that is free to do whatever it wants and is completely separate from that Alien franchise.   
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Jul 02, 2021, 06:12:53 PM
I get what you are saying, I really do, but for me the ability of any new Alien product (be it TV show or film) to fit in with existing lore & continuity is directly related to its quality. I have a STRONG attachment to the characters, story arcs, and mythology established in the Alien Films and for a new property to disregard them just doesn't work.  I mean, come on, If you aren't going to have an Alien TV series fit into the world/continuity established in the Alien films then what is the point? You might as well just make an original show that is free to do whatever it wants and is completely separate from that Alien franchise.   

As it stands, the ongoing continuity that we do have isn't even 100% uniform. The idea that David created the Alien and that the Engineers are the humanoid creators of humanity doesn't totally mesh on a literal level with what is presented in Alien – but thematically, the idea that the sadistic robot with repressed sexual urges, the desire to play God, and a hatred of humanity creates the Alien does thematically enhance what is seen in the original film. On a similar note, the egg on the Sulaco in Alien 3 makes no sense at all on a literal level after Aliens, but I dig Alien 3 so I am willing to just roll with the mystery egg.

And at the end of the day, I am more than willing to overlook canon discrepancies in service of an overall theme and/or good/interesting individual installments within the franchise.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: RhinoAlien on Jul 02, 2021, 06:44:55 PM
"So you will see what happens when the inequality we're struggling with now isn't resolved. If we as a society can't figure out how to prop each other up and spread the wealth, then what's going to happen to us?"

Goddamn. This sounds bad. Yes, Wey-Yu is hardly the best corporation in the world, but it's far from free-market capitalism. This would not be the first bastardized serialization of a beloved franchise to make a political screed. This guy sounds ungrounded in basic economics and political philosophy. Sure, the Alien-universe is strongly implied to be a crony capitalist dystopia, where people in general, even the good ones, are often very flawed. Go with that, that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Don't go woke poop all over our franchise.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 02, 2021, 06:53:50 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 07:03:05 PM
What I find so funny here is that there are some genuine red flags one might have with this series – the Earth setting, the franchise's first venture into a serialized format and the cinematic limitations that might come along with that, the new leadership at Disney/20th Century Studios, one's own opinion on the quality Hawley's past work if they happen to not like that, etc.

But what people are complaining about instead are Hawley's very general statements on the political angle that has been inherent to the literal surface-level narrative of Alien since 1979. :D
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Enjoy on Jul 02, 2021, 07:03:07 PM
I am wanting to see tottaly souless CEO action that reflects the current pollitical climate. More so then aliens.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 01, 2021, 11:04:38 PM
The films were always explicitly anti-capitalist and were acknowledged as such at the time.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2021, 12:34:32 AM
The "screw the diverse entertaining-political correctness-any political reverence" bandwagon seems to forget themes of their beloved lore, or how political entertaining can be.  :laugh:
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 12:53:28 AM
Yeah man! f**k political themes about corporations and rich people using lower classes like lifeless things, because after all this is a franchise about.. corporations.. using lower classes.. as expandable assets to get to the titular alien. Do people that complain about wOkEnEsS and Pc cUlTuRe even remember what the plot for these movies are?
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 02:05:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hPylxKe.png)
You all miss the point: quality/execution. That's the actual concern. People are just afraid it's gonna be shit, that's it. Entertaiment has been always political in one way or the other, but there's a giant difference between great old films with political/social undertones, done by great directors, and pushy propaganda garbage like Mulan 2020/Ghostbusters 2016, done by talentless hacks. And Alien films were never pushy/forced with its themes.

And since when motherhood theme is "woke"?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 08:22:25 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/02/alien-tv-series-genuinely-accused-of-being-too-woke-already-14864409/
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 08:08:03 PM
And Alien films were never pushy/forced with its themes.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/znzXrRf6z0s/maxresdefault.jpg)

Yeah, subtle.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Gazz on Jul 02, 2021, 08:37:26 PM
I am losing my f**king mind.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Jul 02, 2021, 08:42:02 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 08:22:25 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/02/alien-tv-series-genuinely-accused-of-being-too-woke-already-14864409/

LMAO

Quote from: Gazz on Jul 02, 2021, 08:37:26 PM
I am losing my f**king mind.

Just sit back and enjoy the show  ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 01, 2021, 11:04:38 PM
The films were always explicitly anti-capitalist and were acknowledged as such at the time.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 02, 2021, 12:34:32 AM
The "screw the diverse entertaining-political correctness-any political reverence" bandwagon seems to forget themes of their beloved lore, or how political entertaining can be.  :laugh:
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 12:53:28 AM
Yeah man! f**k political themes about corporations and rich people using lower classes like lifeless things, because after all this is a franchise about.. corporations.. using lower classes.. as expandable assets to get to the titular alien. Do people that complain about wOkEnEsS and Pc cUlTuRe even remember what the plot for these movies are?
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 02:05:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hPylxKe.png)
You all miss the point: quality/execution. That's the actual concern. People are just afraid it's gonna be shit, that's it. Entertaiment has been always political in one way or the other, but there's a giant difference between great old films with political/social undertones, done by great directors, and pushy propaganda garbage like Mulan 2020/Ghostbusters 2016, done by talentless hacks. And Alien films were never pushy/forced with its themes.

And since when motherhood theme is "woke"?
Can you tell me what is subtle about "That damn corporation! What about our lifes!" or "Crew expandable"? Where is the undertone in "I don't know which species is worse"? The motherhood theme(which comes with the SA one that you decided to ignore) is actually subtle, but the anti-corpo shit was always in your face.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: GoroPredator on Jul 02, 2021, 09:05:53 PM
I feel like we're with Woody and his friends, trapped in that incinerator only nobody is holding hands  :'(
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:09:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 08:08:03 PM
And Alien films were never pushy/forced with its themes.
Yeah, subtle.
Not subtle, but not pushy either. Anti-corporate undertones don't really mean that the entire movie is focused on anti-capitalism.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Vrastal on Jul 02, 2021, 09:11:32 PM
I am currently very excited for this. I hope its set fairly far into the future past alien 3. not sure if id want it post resurrection. but if it is pre resurrection i think we would know the aliens dont escape unless it gets retconned.

i seem to be in the minority thats happy its on earth. ive always wanted to see a highly populated planet get overtaken. i doubt it will be but who knows. i hope thye can get good costume and cg for it.

As long as it looks good, the story is good and the characters have depth to them and arent just checking off a box for inclusion i think itll be really solid
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Can you tell me what is subtle about "That damn corporation! What about our lifes!" or "Crew expandable"? Where is the undertone in "I don't know which species is worse"?
All that stuff makes sense in the context of those stories, situations and movie's universe, that's it. And the same time it's all background/secondary stuff, those movies weren't deep explorations of anti-capitalism or socialism, c'mon.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
The motherhood theme(which comes with the SA one that you decided to ignore) is actually subtle, but the anti-corpo shit was always in your face.
SA is a separate theme from motherhood, those movies weren't deep explorations of SA either.
The motherhood theme wasn't subtle at all, it was the main theme of Aliens. Anti-corpo shit is just secondary stuff.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
Explain to me what it is that keeps putting Ripley and company in the presence of those pesky Aliens again? What keeps trying to take those Aliens with zero regard for human lives, in favor of the almighty dollar?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
Explain to me what it is that keeps putting Ripley and company in the presence of those pesky Aliens again? What keeps trying to take those Aliens with zero regard for human lives, in favor of the almighty dollar?
Human greed which is not political. You can call it an exploration of a human nature if you want.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 09:34:19 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 09:25:10 PM
Explain to me what it is that keeps putting Ripley and company in the presence of those pesky Aliens again? What keeps trying to take those Aliens with zero regard for human lives, in favor of the almighty dollar?
Human greed which is not political. You can call it an exploration of a human nature if you want.
Human greed is not political but it is part of political themes, now, what is greedy and is trying to take the Alien as a central plot point to these movies?


Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Can you tell me what is subtle about "That damn corporation! What about our lifes!" or "Crew expandable"? Where is the undertone in "I don't know which species is worse"?
All that stuff makes sense in the context of those stories, situations and movie's universe, that's it. And the same time it's all background/secondary stuff, those movies weren't deep explorations of anti-capitalism or socialism, c'mon.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
The motherhood theme(which comes with the SA one that you decided to ignore) is actually subtle, but the anti-corpo shit was always in your face.
SA is a separate theme from motherhood, those movies weren't deep explorations of SA either.
The motherhood theme wasn't subtle at all, it was the main theme of Aliens. Anti-corpo shit is just secondary stuff.
The Alien itself is an allegory of rape but whatever makes you feel better about yourself ig
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 02, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: GoroPredator on Jul 02, 2021, 09:05:53 PM
I feel like we're with Woody and his friends, trapped in that incinerator only nobody is holding hands  :'(

"Help, I'm being genocided!"
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 09:34:19 PM
Human greed is not political but it is part of political themes, now, what is greedy and is trying to take the Alien as a central plot point to these movies?
But it's not just corpo, but also individuals. Do you think socialists in Alien universe wouldn't want to get this species? You can replace evil corporation with some evil marxist government and it would be the same thing, just with some red star flag instead of WY logo.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
The Alien itself is an allegory of rape but whatever makes you feel better about yourself ig
Allegory, exactly, which is not the same thing as deep exploration, it doesn't go much further beyond just symbolism.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 02, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 08:45:38 PM
socialist

Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
socialism

Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
socialists


Are these socialists... in the room with us now?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:57:43 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 02, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 08:45:38 PM
socialist

Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
socialism

Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
socialists


Are these socialists... in the room with us now?
Probably
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 10:26:13 PM
(https://untappd.akamaized.net/photo/2015_05_27/d881290636b64d5c088a4807604afca8_320x320.jpg)

Can't wait to be drinking my Amazon-brand beer on an Amazon-owned spaceship while being rerouted to my death so that Amazon can make a few extra bucks and fuel their bio-weapons division for years to come!

They'll probably have me peeing in a bottle or something, too.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 02, 2021, 10:30:37 PM
It's okay, you can go for a semi-private cry in the emotional therapy cupboard.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jul 02, 2021, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 02, 2021, 04:46:36 PM
Hold da phone! Okay this one I have to push back my friends. :)

As not just a reader of reviews of Predator 2 but a collector of them during 1990, other than not having the gravitas of Arnold Schwarzenegger, critics labeled Predator 2 as ultra violent, trashy, tasteless, crass, classless, mean spirited, loud, obnoxious and dumb!  But a common complaint in 1990 was definitely not the audience being ahead of the characters - that I can attest to! ;D

Might have been a difference between reviews in the US and UK, at that time? :) I definitely remember a number of radio reviews and several newspaper ones which were referencing it.

QuoteBut alas, with no recurring characters, you're not often going to be dealing with characters that know what they're dealing with - especially when we start delving into period pieces. But fortunately, it doesn't bother me like you fine gentlemen!

They wouldn't have to be known characters. Just characters who turn up with back-stories of Predator involvement, like the 'Hunters' comic.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jul 02, 2021, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Can you tell me what is subtle about "That damn corporation! What about our lifes!" or "Crew expandable"? Where is the undertone in "I don't know which species is worse"?
All that stuff makes sense in the context of those stories, situations and movie's universe, that's it. And the same time it's all background/secondary stuff, those movies weren't deep explorations of anti-capitalism or socialism, c'mon.
And this might not be either, but for whatever reason you've made up your mind to tilt at windmills.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: RidgeTop on Jul 02, 2021, 11:39:31 PM
Le sigh, I typically steer clear of politics here on the forum, but I guess that's not going to be avoided now that both Alien and Predator are having accusations of "get woke, go broke!" thrown at them.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2021, 11:02:08 AM
Man, I wish I'd have saved his tweet. But to quote Tristan Jones - "Alien was never f**king asleep".

And he's right. I think the documentary 'Memory: The Origins of Alien' illustrated all of the complex themes that were included in the original film, though yes some of the analysis did reach a bit.

In a modern context (and more so a future one) corporate behavior and capitalism are intrinsically tied.

Just because Hawley wants to examine themes of wealth inequality, an issue that people of varying political ideologies are polled as being increasingly concerned about, doesn't mean he's going to turn to the audience and go: "the answer of course is communism!"

Economic inequality is a defining issue of our time, one can be pro-capitalism and still deeply concerned about this modern issue, especially given the rise of automation coupled with population expansion. If all the wealth is funneled to the top (mega-corporations, wealthy elite), and the top hordes all the wealth, capitalism doesn't keep on working too well now does it?

If one would like to see a good introduction to the problems of economic inequality (and the concept's name doesn't mean economics should be entirely equal as a solution), I recommend checking out this video:

Spoiler
https://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM
[close]

I do think this theme is ripe for exploration in the world of Alien, and I highly doubt Hawley's social commentary will be as simple as "Socialism Good, Capitalism Bad." Nuance is a thing.

I'm tired of all these anti-SJW channels grifting on this constant outrage where they take a single line from an interview or that a woman will be taking on a Predator and condemn something completely that they know nothing about yet. They're doing the exact thing they accuse the SJW's of: "You can't do this, that's woke, keep politics out of my entertainment! You're ruining my childhood!" is completely akin to "You can't do that, that's insensitive, doesn't have enough representation, is offensive!" It's just a double-standard against the free-expression they claim to support. It's true that sometimes politics in modern media can be handled in a clumsy and patronizing way, but that doesn't mean everything should be written off as woke or too political before we've had a chance to evaluate it. And it doesn't mean the topic should always be avoided because: "We're trying to escape from all the politics in real life!"

But if there is a silver lining about the complaints and retorts to it... Alien is trending, people are talking about it.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Hanzo Hasashi on Jul 03, 2021, 12:14:47 AM
Welp, sincerely hope it focuses on good sci-fi storytelling and veers as far away from biased political messaging as possible.

One can still hope, even if the odds are low.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 02:15:23 AM
Quote from: Hanzo Hasashi on Jul 03, 2021, 12:14:47 AM
Welp, sincerely hope it focuses on good sci-fi storytelling and veers as far away from biased political messaging as possible.

One can still hope, even if the odds are low.

But... the vast majority of good sci-fi storytelling veers towards political messaging (with whatever biases the person telling the story holds because they are, ya know, the ones telling the story). :D

I'd be curious what you - or anyone with this mentality - considers to be good non-political science-fiction, 'cause I can almost guarantee anything you'd end up listing is going to be inherently political at its very core. Alien most certainly is.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:06 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Wait what? The political stance/analogy/aspirations of a film, what it is actually saying in conjunction with the "proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue" is a a major contributing factor in what actually makes a movie good. It is literally baked into that "good script" you're citing.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
I care more about the other things than a possible political stance they're trying to make.
You know how the average viewer regards Aliens? As a a great action-horror. Few besides the people here make the Vietnam war connection.
Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 03:19:59 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:06 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 12:06:32 PM
Wait what? The political stance/analogy/aspirations of a film, what it is actually saying in conjunction with the "proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue" is a a major contributing factor in what actually makes a movie good. It is literally baked into that "good script" you're citing.

Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
I care more about the other things than a possible political stance they're trying to make.
You know how the average viewer regards Aliens? As a a great action-horror. Few besides the people here make the Vietnam war connection.
Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.

And yet, the political angle is still there and the film doesn't function without it.

Without Weyland-Yutani colonizing LV-426 and then subsequently having Ripley and the USCM go down there with Burke as he seeks to exploit his companions and let them all die in order to bring back an Alien specimen for the corporation's gain and his own financial prospects, I don't think there's much of a film there, huh?
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:42:31 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 03:19:59 AM

And yet, the political angle is still there and the film doesn't function without it.

Without Weyland-Yutani colonizing LV-426 and then subsequently having Ripley and the USCM go down there with Burke as he seeks to exploit his companions and let them all die in order to bring back an Alien specimen for the corporation's gain and his own financial prospects, I don't think there's much of a film there, huh?

Congratulations for stating something I never mentioned or denied.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: RidgeTop on Jul 03, 2021, 03:50:12 AM
These are hot topics but let's keep the debates free of personal snipes, please.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 05:20:25 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:06 AM

Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.
True, but acting like the message was never there and that having a message is somehow new and undesirable is asinine. Likewise those acting as though the series is doomed to poorly handle its message without seeing a frame.

Neither comment is aimed at you specifically, but that's what we're dealing with
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 05:25:05 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 05:20:25 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:06 AM

Point: people can like something without caring or even noticing the message a movie's trying to convey.
True, but acting like the message was never there and that having a message is somehow new and undesirable is asinine. Likewise those acting as though the series is doomed to poorly handle its message without seeing a frame.

Neither comment is aimed at you specifically, but that's what we're dealing with

If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kradan on Jul 03, 2021, 05:57:00 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 02, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 01, 2021, 08:45:38 PM
socialist

Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
socialism

Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
socialists


Are these socialists... in the room with us now?

I wasn't  leaving
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jul 03, 2021, 06:28:34 AM
A grungy corporate aesthetic on earth would be sweet, juxtaposed with claustrophobic crew expeditions the company send out. I'm reserving judgement until release.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 05:25:05 AM

If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.
Because it's the point of the person you're talking to that you don't seem to be grasping. People can like the films for whatever reasons, nobody's denying that. But the political messages have driven their plots since day one whether people are aware or like it or not, and them now complaining about the series continuing in the same theme is stupid.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 07:18:17 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 05:25:05 AM

If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.
Because it's the point of the person you're talking to that you don't seem to be grasping. People can like the films for whatever reasons, nobody's denying that. But the political messages have driven their plots since day one whether people are aware or like it or not, and them now complaining about the series continuing in the same theme is stupid.

So it's aimed at me.

I can't grasp it? What can't I grasp exactly? I never denied any of the political themes in the franchise. Nor was I complaining about them.

So how about you quit acting allmighty and condescending.
Or just put me on ignore if you don't like what you imagined I said.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: j0nesy on Jul 03, 2021, 07:38:36 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 02, 2021, 10:26:13 PM
(https://untappd.akamaized.net/photo/2015_05_27/d881290636b64d5c088a4807604afca8_320x320.jpg)

Can't wait to be drinking my Amazon-brand beer on an Amazon-owned spaceship while being rerouted to my death so that Amazon can make a few extra bucks and fuel their bio-weapons division for years to come!

They'll probably have me peeing in a bottle or something, too.

if only the series was happening on amazon prime ;)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 03, 2021, 10:43:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 02, 2021, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: TomT on Jul 02, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Jul 02, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
Can you tell me what is subtle about "That damn corporation! What about our lifes!" or "Crew expandable"? Where is the undertone in "I don't know which species is worse"?
All that stuff makes sense in the context of those stories, situations and movie's universe, that's it. And the same time it's all background/secondary stuff, those movies weren't deep explorations of anti-capitalism or socialism, c'mon.
And this might not be either, but for whatever reason you've made up your mind to tilt at windmills.
I've made up my mind as soon as I heard about TV show that takes place on Earth in the near future.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 07:18:17 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 06:38:28 AM
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Jul 03, 2021, 05:25:05 AM

If it's not aimed at me, why quote me and not direct your comment at those who actually said the things you mentioned.
Because it's the point of the person you're talking to that you don't seem to be grasping. People can like the films for whatever reasons, nobody's denying that. But the political messages have driven their plots since day one whether people are aware or like it or not, and them now complaining about the series continuing in the same theme is stupid.

So it's aimed at me.

I can't grasp it? What can't I grasp exactly? I never denied any of the political themes in the franchise. Nor was I complaining about them.

So how about you quit acting allmighty and condescending.
Or just put me on ignore if you don't like what you imagined I said.

Because you are the one that kicked this back and forth off when you said "If you got a good movie, with a proper cast, a good script with well written dialogue, no one cares about a political analogy" which simply isn't true. It may be the case for certain people that aren't paying full attention to what they are watching, but should those people really be a litmus test for this? These inherent core political ideas are very much a direct component of that "good script" that makes it a "good movie," and certainly one of the core reasons why the characters and themes of the films still resonate as much today as on release – Alien is a stark portrayal of a corporate dystopia, capitalism run amok by companies that see people as nothing more than a means to an end, and people attempting to rise up and save themselves in the face of certain horror (I.e., the Alien) despite the entire system not just being against them, but actually actively sabatoging them along the way. That's all theme, yes, but it is also surface-level story as well.

Nothing at all that Hawley has said so far regarding the political slant of this series feels out of line with the previous films at all; his words just read to me as him getting the very surface-level ideas of the original films. Whether he handles these concepts well, nobody will really know until we actually see the series. But the irrational fear that certain people have of things getting "WOKE" all of a sudden just goes to show that people we're talking about, the ones you said only want a "good script," actually do care about political analogy... and that they flat out don't want it in their media because somehow in their heads they've managed to ignore every point that the original movies that they've watched and enjoyed all these years were making and now hearing someone cite those very points makes them uncomfortable.

That's what this conversation is. Nobody is saying that you don't get the political themes. What we're saying is that certain people not noticing the political themes doesn't mean that they aren't there, or that they shouldn't be embraced moving forward.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
Remember all, we're all Alien fans here. And I know we're passionate, but please try to avoid being antagonistic in our posts. Talk to each other, not at them! Thanks! :)


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 10:51:38 AM
Alien is a stark portrayal of a corporate dystopia, capitalism run amok by companies that see people as nothing more than a means to an end, and people attempting to rise up and save themselves in the face of certain horror (I.e., the Alien) despite the entire system not just being against them, but actually actively sabatoging them along the way.

I know too many people when you say something like this to them, they respond "Dude, What? Alien is just about an Alien!" And many don't get from Alien that all corporations are bad or capitalism is bad, just "the company" in the fictional universe of Alien as bad.

That's why I think subtlety is the key. You take what you want to take from it. If there are non-subtle lines of dialogue like "Capitalism is evil! All corporations are institutions of greed!", that's what often the other side of the argument wants to avoid and equates to being preached to, like probably the very nice woman owned corporation I work for which has treated her employees very well. :) But Alien hasn't done that, which is awesome, and that's partially why it's beloved by everyone!  👏
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: RidgeTop on Jul 03, 2021, 01:30:03 PM
https://uproxx.com/viral/alien-wokeism-reactions/
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Kimarhi on Jul 03, 2021, 01:40:34 PM
Ban everyone who isn't a Capitalist. 











Damn commies. 
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2021, 01:50:26 PM
Yikes! Reaction articles to political pundits are now invading this thread!

(https://i.imgur.com/jqEk5TO.gif)

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 02:01:52 PM
Well, when the "political pundits" are the ones trying to re-frame long-established political commentary inherent to the very root of the films as some sudden "Woke agenda" and riling up the "Get woke go broke" crowd...

This:

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1410808405413879813

Just reads to me as:

(https://media.tenor.com/images/e63ce7c035d8e85c4c305851cfda529b/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
That's why I think subtlety is the key. You take what you want to take from it. If there are non-subtle lines of dialogue like "Capitalism is evil! All corporations are institutions of greed!", that's what often the other side of the argument wants to avoid and equates to being preached to, like probably the very nice woman owned corporation I work for which has treated her employees very well. :) But Alien hasn't done that, which is awesome, and that's partially why it's beloved by everyone!
What on earth is subtle about "crew expendable" and "That damn company! What about our lives, you son of a bitch?!"?

Or "you don't see them f**king each other over for a god damned percentage"?

Or Ripley's speech at the end of Alien 3 about the expendability?

Nothing.

The franchise has always been full of unsubtle jabs at corporate greed. And like heck nobody noticed, Weyland-Yutani became the cinematic poster child of faceless, greedy sci Fi corporations for a reason.

The Alien franchise has always worn its politics on its sleeve. It's never sat on the fence or tried to show both sides of an argument or beat around the bush. It has a stance and makes it known.

This feels like shifting goalposts. "These unsubtle lines are fine, but these ones are a no no!"

We're all 42 years too late to wring our hands about whether the political stance of an Alien story will be subtle or one sided.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2021, 02:18:20 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 02:01:52 PM
Well, when the "political pundits" are the ones trying to re-frame long-established political commentary inherent to the very root of the films as some sudden "Woke agenda" and riling up the "Get woke go broke" crowd...

I get that, but to me those pundits are just blowhards, and those reaction articles done (on both sides) are just articles of the lowest common denominator. But that's just me. :)


Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2021, 12:50:41 PM
That's why I think subtlety is the key. You take what you want to take from it. If there are non-subtle lines of dialogue like "Capitalism is evil! All corporations are institutions of greed!", that's what often the other side of the argument wants to avoid and equates to being preached to, like probably the very nice woman owned corporation I work for which has treated her employees very well. :) But Alien hasn't done that, which is awesome, and that's partially why it's beloved by everyone!
What on earth is subtle about "crew expendable" and "That damn company! What about our lives, you son of a bitch?!"?

Or "you don't see them f**king each other over for a god damned percentage"?

Or Ripley's speech at the end of Alien 3 about the expendability?

Nothing.

The franchise has always been full of unsubtle jabs at corporate greed. And like heck nobody noticed, Weyland-Yutani became the cinematic poster child of faceless, greedy sci Fi corporations for a reason.

The Alien franchise has always worn its politics on its sleeve. It's never sat on the fence or tried to show both sides of an argument or beat around the bush. It has a stance and makes it known.

This feels like shifting goalposts. "These unsubtle lines are fine, but these ones are a no no!"

We're all 42 years too late to wring our hands about whether the political stance of an Alien story will be subtle or one sided.

SiL, it really is subtle. That's why you have so many worried Alien is "going woke" (a phrase I hate by the way.) All they see is a horror movie and action movie dealing with a fictional company that sucks and is evil. A lot of people don't apply it to their own world and as a political or ideological statement, made clearly by people's reactions. It not subtle to some, or to you, but it is subtle - clearly based on the reactions we are witnessing. Like it or not, many movie fans don't look any further than what's on the surface.  :)
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 02:27:52 PM
No. It's not subtle dialogue, at all. It's one sided, biased, explicit.

The difference is it's part of people's nostalgia. If they heard a new Alien movie was going to be made today with an anti corporate agenda, with company directives literally saying a crew is expendable and characters saying "The damned company! What about our lives, you son of a bitch?!" they'd be rolling their eyes and crying woke all the same.

That's why you see them jumping hoops to explain why that was somehow fine and acceptable but whatever is coming next is somehow intrinsically awful when they do acknowledge it. It's intellectual dishonesty at its finest.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 02:30:08 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2021, 02:18:20 PM
SiL, it really is subtle. That's why you have so many worried Alien is "going woke" (a phrase I hate by the way.) All they see is a horror movie and action movie dealing with a fictional company that sucks and is evil. A lot of people don't apply it to their own world and as a political or ideological statement, made clearly by people's reactions. It not subtle to some, or to you, but it is subtle - clearly based on the reactions we are witnessing. Like it or not, many movie fans don't look any further than what's on the surface.  :)

It isn't subtle though, in the slightest. It is presented in explicit lines of dialogue, text on screen, plot-advancing sequences. If people aren't picking up on that I'd argue that their lack of perception reflects more on their inability to actually take in what they are watching (or their decision to tune out/ignore what's in front of them) than it does on the film that is very much outright and forthcoming in stating its themes.

And if these people are having a knee-jerk reaction to Hawley's comments – which he explicitly backs up with reference material from the films, mind you – and still claiming that this is somehow a brand new stance for the franchise to take, then I really don't even know what to say to that one.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: SiL on Jul 03, 2021, 02:36:55 PM
Basically. People missing the point is not a comment on the film's subtlety, it's a comment on them.
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 03, 2021, 03:00:16 PM
Guys, I know you feel passionately about this, but I just disagree. I absolutely see it as subtle and this Alien fictional world doesn't explicitly present itself as criticism of our real world. Only if one chooses to delve deeper in both Alien & Aliens, are there nuggets to find and apply to today's society if one chooses. And this is coming from an articulate, intelligent and well thought out person... well, at least I think so.  :laugh: Perhaps it's less subtle to one who already has adopted this perspective and more to those who haven't? That's probably logical.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 02:30:08 PM
And if these people are having a knee-jerk reaction to Hawley's comments – which he explicitly backs up with reference material from the films, mind you – and still claiming that this is somehow a brand new stance for the franchise to take, then I really don't even know what to say to that one.

We're simpatico with that. I hate the knee-jerk reactions too. It's happening with Skulls as well and it annoys me. Can we stop pre-judging fiction based on interviews and synopsis please??? :P

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Huggs on Jul 03, 2021, 03:51:06 PM
I always figured it was some rogue element of the company trying to get the alien. If it was any sizable portion of the company, they could've sent hordes of the most qualified and capable people to retrieve it immediately.

They still didn't have it after 6 decades, and action was only taken by Burke (and possibly just a few others) once he had the information from Ripley's debriefing.

Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TomT on Jul 03, 2021, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 03, 2021, 10:51:38 AM
Nothing at all that Hawley has said so far regarding the political slant of this series feels out of line with the previous films at all;
I'm pretty sure none of the previous films were about "spread the wealth".
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: TNF on Jul 03, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
I want to see how people party, à la Parker...
Title: Re: Alien TV Series From Noah Hawley and Ridley Scott CONFIRMED
Post by: Huggs on Jul 03, 2021, 04:56:57 PM
I think the reason people are having such a visceral reaction to this, is because we are in living in an age where everything has become politicized, and everything that was semi-political before has become bloated with it now.

There is nowhere to go anymore. No escape. It's like the old man's eye, it's everywhere in everything. And while there are some sprinkles of social issues in the films, the overall experience is basically Humans vs Monster.

I personally think it was bad form to focus on politics in his statement. If he was aware the franchise was already mentioning certain issues, he should've just carried on, and it would've been fine. Most likely he was just trying to score justice points, because making money is still part of the overall goal in business.

But the fact remains that alot of people are fed up with being preached at, especially when nearly all of the preaching is coming from one side in particular. And it bums them out when something that's special to them seems at risk of going overboard with everything else. But they should also remember that watching anything is a voluntary experience. Nobody is forcing them to do anything.

At the end of the day, the show will either be good, or it'll suck. For several reasons other than politics, I think it'll probably suck. The earth setting in particular. But, it's gonna be what it's gonna be. They're going to make it how they want to, and that's all there is to it. The healthiest thing to do is accept the situation and move on.
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