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We now have a sneak peak at a creature from Alien: Covenant! The Alien social media pages continue to share more snippets of Alien: Covenant. In this latest update, we’re taken behind the scenes and given a brief look at the hand of one of the creatures in Alien: Covenant with the caption “Where it all begins.”

Where it all begins. #AlienCovenant pic.twitter.com/X0aGEEtH3P

— Alien Anthology (@AlienAnthology) July 6, 2016

Like the original H.R Giger Alien it would appear that this hand has 6 fingers.  The sculpt in the foreground only appears to have 5 fingers but that’s because the extra finger is obscured by the sculptors hand. On the hand is the background you can clearly see 6 fingers, 2 of which are joined together.

However, the lack of biomechanical detailing might mean this isn’t the Alien but something else instead. Are we looking at an adult Deacon? Or something else entirely? We’ll find out soon enough. What do you think of our first look at the direction of the creature design for Alien: Covenant?

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Very exciting stuff!

That looks amazing. Great find, Hicks!

It's not the most exciting first look but I'm glad to finally see something of the creature design! I like the slender look of the fingers. Assuming this is an Alien, glad to see the floppy hands of the later films has gone.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 06, 2016, 01:30:44 PM
Great find, Hicks!

This one will be all over social media in no time. It came from their official channels.

No, no, no! If this should be an Alien hand, I am out!

There's some artwork on the table too but can't really make it out.

Maybe we'll be seeing an adult Deacon after all.  :)

Looks like it's for a Deacon/Ultramorph no?

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jul 06, 2016, 01:38:09 PM
Maybe we'll be seeing an adult Deacon after all.  :)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/behind/behind0687.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/behind/behind0688.jpg)

Similar minimalist detailing.

I was worried it was taken out of the comics for no reason, but this is promising.

Also, I hereby name this creature Stanley (stolen from someone on Reddit).

I for one am glad they are owning what they created for Prometheus and are hopefully pushing forward into all those amazing unused concept designs!

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The lack of biomechanical detailing would make me think it's not the Alien. Though it is just a WIP so that might still be coming.

I'm counting 5 fingers on the deacon, this video has 6. Looks like two digits are joint, then 3 elongated fingers and a thumb.

Could be big chap

I don't think that's the Deacon or the classic Giger Xenomorph.  Probably another proto-morph, like the Deacon, though.

Remember what Ridley Scott said:

"Well, really it's "Alien." They're going to go to the planet where the engineers came from, and come across the evolving creature that they had made. Why did they make it? Why would they make such a terrifying beast? It felt bio-mechanoid, it felt like a weapon. And so the movie will explain that, and reintroduce the alien back into it."

Remember Alien - Engineers and it's mention of other variations of the Alien? Perhaps that concept made it into Covenant and we're looking at one of those variations?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 06, 2016, 02:21:56 PM
Remember Alien - Engineers and it's mention of other variations of the Alien? Perhaps that concept made it into Covenant and we're looking at one of those variations?

Actually it does look like the hand of an Ultramorph:

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The Ultramorph's middle fingers are joined, like the Alien. Only Stanley's little finger is joined.

Maybe I've misinterpreted it but the social media accounts say "where it all begins" and the U.K. Fox one more recently "discover where it all begins" but that sounds like a tease for the origins of the Alien we all know and love, opposed to "aye it all begins in a workshop". It looks how I imagine a modern day revamping of the Giger Alien would look!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 06, 2016, 02:41:39 PM
The Ultramorph's middle fingers are joined, like the Alien. Only Stanley's little finger is joined.

That's true but they may change it for the film.

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I really hope it is the Ultramorph, anyway.  I love the design and it looks similar to Giger's early concept art.

Lookin' good! Perhaps Giger's original Necronomicon alien is being brought to life finally?

That guy in the background with the black clothing and longish, grey hair almost looks like Giger. Such a shame we lost him.

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Jul 06, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
Lookin' good! Perhaps Giger's original Necronomicon alien is being brought to life finally?

Well, they had the original alien from Necronomicon on all the clapperboards. But that one only has five fingers.

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck5_jnhUgAUCH4s.jpg)

Interesting.

Looks like theres some Hammerpede artwork in the background.

Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 06, 2016, 04:23:08 PM
Interesting.

Looks like theres some Hammerpede artwork in the background.

Where?

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 06, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
That guy in the background with the black clothing and longish, grey hair almost looks like Giger. Such a shame we lost him.

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Jul 06, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
Lookin' good! Perhaps Giger's original Necronomicon alien is being brought to life finally?

Well, they had the original alien from Necronomicon on all the clapperboards. But that one only has five fingers.

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck5_jnhUgAUCH4s.jpg)

The alien is actually based on several paintings in the Necronomicon, though.

This is where I think the 6 fingers comes from, originally:

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-05/enhanced/webdr06/16/7/enhanced-buzz-wide-21530-1400241474-10.jpg)

Who is the Fx Studio that is doing all the effects? Legacy or ADI?

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 06, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
That guy in the background with the black clothing and longish, grey hair almost looks like Giger. Such a shame we lost him.

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Jul 06, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
Lookin' good! Perhaps Giger's original Necronomicon alien is being brought to life finally?

Well, they had the original alien from Necronomicon on all the clapperboards. But that one only has five fingers.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcoolvibe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F01%2Fhrgiger111.jpg&hash=7935a7b611d22c1790c2818af88ddaeeb456abf5)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck5_jnhUgAUCH4s.jpg)

True, the picture is on the clapperboards. Hope they payed copyright fee to the widow of Giger, since this is owned by Giger.

Hmm that's not how that works.

Quote from: ROYCE_THE_PREDATOR on Jul 06, 2016, 05:42:24 PM
Who is the Fx Studio that is doing all the effects? Legacy or ADI?

I don't think we've got 100% clarification on how is doing the creature FX but Odd Studio is working on the film: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2016/03/29/odd-studio-provide-make-effects-alien-covenant/

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Jul 06, 2016, 03:06:50 PM
Lookin' good! Perhaps Giger's original Necronomicon alien is being brought to life finally?

These fingers are looking too slender to me.  :-\

Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 06, 2016, 04:23:08 PM
Looks like theres some Hammerpede artwork in the background.

Whatever the artwork is looks wormy. Almost looks like the picture Scorpio posted.

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Quote from: SuicideDoors on Jul 06, 2016, 02:45:25 PM
Maybe I've misinterpreted it but the social media accounts say "where it all begins" and the U.K. Fox one more recently "discover where it all begins" but that sounds like a tease for the origins of the Alien we all know and love, opposed to "aye it all begins in a workshop". It looks how I imagine a modern day revamping of the Giger Alien would look!

I had the same thought myself! It's certainly a possibility considering where it sounds like they're taking the film.

Quote from: Giger Beast on Jul 06, 2016, 04:50:16 PM

Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 06, 2016, 04:23:08 PM
Interesting.

Looks like theres some Hammerpede artwork in the background.

Where?

Looks like it. I could be wrong.

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It's "The Hands of God"... f**k yea. :)

I cannot wait to see this thing.
(And for Neca to make an action figure if it)

Oh this should be good, looks like this picture was taken during early production, missing some details

Is that all they've got? It's mostly structure of a human hand without the skin. You see the tendons and you see the phalange bones peeking through the breaks in the flesh. The digits are obviously longer and capped with what will likely become pointy claws. It's nice, competent sculpture; but this could be part of any old movie monster.

I personally think it's some variant of a xenomorph. You?

Maybe some sort of Ultramorph.

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Quote from: Astronoë on Jul 06, 2016, 09:54:38 PM
Maybe some sort of Ultramorph.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV5PKj5WcAER0ej.jpg

That would be amazing!

First full body view of the creatures  ;D

Those are real bunnies, not fictional extraterrestrials.

Is that a clear Dome on the back of the picture?.

Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 06, 2016, 08:48:17 PM

Quote from: Giger Beast on Jul 06, 2016, 04:50:16 PM

Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 06, 2016, 04:23:08 PM
Interesting.

Looks like theres some Hammerpede artwork in the background.

Where?

Looks like it. I could be wrong.

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Oh you're right, it does look like it, thanks. Very interesting.

Nice.  6 fingers is a strong indicator we'll at least see a return of the original design to some degree.  Mind you, in 1979, Fox would not even have permitted this much of the Alien to be made public.  Back then, the human characters and interiors/exteriors of the Nostromo and derelict were easy to come by; but prior to the film's release on May 25th '79, the creature was completely unknown and Fox were extremely secretive about it until the movie was released.  You really had to dig hard through the pages of magazines of the day to find a single Ridleygram of what the Alien looked like. 

How things have changed since then.  I fully expect we'll see images of the inevitable action figure(s) well before 'ALIEN: Covenenant' is released.

-Windebieste.

Maybe it's a variation of the Beluga Alien:

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The concept for this is incredibly creepy, able to ooze through cracks and all, and would be perfect for the horror film Ridley wants to make.

Quote from: Kapital on Jul 06, 2016, 10:49:56 PM
Is that a clear Dome on the back of the picture?.

Someone else mentioned that on Facebook. I can't see it. Where are you looking?

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Quote from: Serpent/Slayer on Jul 06, 2016, 09:53:00 PM
I personally think it's some variant of a xenomorph. You?

Merged with the existing topic.

This hand could straight up be for a Big Chap and I would not care any more. The designs change. Eh.

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Note the slender fingers. Not quite the same though.

You will not be disappointed by the creatures... I asked someone (my cousin, she is not Australian!) working on the movie, and she is really close to the production, so the looks and the design of this movie wil be bombastic! This hands doesnt really belong to original Xeno but to more sinister creature we maybe seen in Prometheus and its not Deacon  ;) Ridley certanly continued to pursue metaphors and ideas he introduced in Prometheus (thats for sure) and we ll see black goo and ampules and all the methapors and mythological/religious connotations. I even know that Shaw will have a bigger part in the movie than we expected!

The goo. 
Stupid.

Quote from: Enoch on Jul 07, 2016, 01:45:05 PM
You will not be disappointed by the creatures... I asked someone (my cousin, she is not Australian!) working on the movie, and she is really close to the production, so the looks and the design of this movie wil be bombastic! This hands doesnt really belong to original Xeno but to more sinister creature we maybe seen in Prometheus and its not Deacon  ;) Ridley certanly continued to pursue metaphors and ideas he introduced in Prometheus (thats for sure) and we ll see black goo and ampules and all the methapors and mythological/religious connotations. I even know that Shaw will have a bigger part in the movie than we expected!

Hi Enoch. If the hand doesn't belong to the Deacon, could if that of a creature seen in the murals in the ampule room?

New creature definitely. Maybe related to that on mural and some new elements.
I wouldnt say that the goo is stupid...  Its not what we think it is.
Would you like it if its some kind of blood or organic fluid of some ancient creature?

Is it, or related to, the creature in this mural?

(https://dejanno.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/prometheus.jpg)

Are you suggesting that the blue liquid is the blood of the original xeno species?

Very possibliy related to that creature! I dont know much, I only have strong hints!
Goo is some kind of biological nanotechnology and its not originaly created by Engineers.
It definitley belong to some not yet seen creature! Its properties are not only to mutate/evolve or
to destroy but also to create!

That mural is NOT random! That I know because I asked Wayne Haag, and two other members of
production and one of them gave me a hint! Wayne is pretty reserved and he doesnt like even to give
you a hint, but others are a bit more generous.

Very interesting. I was always intrigued by that mural and would be extremely happy for it to be referenced in Covenant, especially with regard to creature.

Not sure how I feel about the goo being a form of biological nanotechnology but being the blood of a hitherto unseen creature is certainly very intriguing.

I didnt say that it isnt blood! :)
We know its organic, so it belongs to some creature.
Engineers maybe stole that from that mysterious creature. Many of
us speculated about murals and its meanings. Murals are not random, thats what
one of production members said to me!

So want to know more now! Interest is well and truly piqued. Have you heard anything about there being a higher level of being than the engineers i.e. who made THEM? Or do you think that will be left for a latter entry into the series? And what of, Shaw? Is she stranded and isolated somewhere other than where the Covenant crew are headed? So many questions!

I know that Noomi Rapace have stunt double (even two), so she is filming some demanding action scenes!
I heard about "one creature" above Engineers but I strongly doubt we ll see some straight B movie explanations! Mystery is everything. I know that human creation isnt random, and we ve seen that Engineers seeded life in many galaxies and then they wanted to wipe out their creations: why is pretty good question but even better question would be: Were they afraid of something?

Ridley promised answers and he almost told us that Engineers did not created Xenos, and
that goo isnt originaly Engineer tool of creation and destruction. Engineers and humans are possibly just a pions in
a grander game! After all humans and engineers share the same dna!

Quote from: Enoch on Jul 07, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
I know that Noomi Rapace have stunt double (even two), so she is filming some demanding action scenes!
I heard about "one creature" above Engineers but I strongly doubt we ll see some straight B movie explanations!

The problem I have with this is, if there is a 'creature' which is higher up the evolutionary chain in every way, especially with regard to intelligence, how this can be presented on screen without it looking terribly hokey. For example, let's say the engineers were created by a god-like creature, and let's, hypothetically, assume that as it appears that they worship the xeno in some way, that that god-like creature in some way resembles a xeno, just how on earth will an intelligent xeno-type of being be depicted? I'm concerned about that.

Quote from: Enoch on Jul 07, 2016, 02:31:30 PMRidley promised answers and he almost told us that Engineers did not created Xenos, and
that goo isnt originaly Engineer tool of creation and destruction. Engineers and humans are possibly just a pions in
a grander game! After all humans and engineers share the same dna!

Where has Ridley spoken about the engineers not creating the xenos and the goo not originally being the engineers tool?

Quote from: Enoch on Jul 07, 2016, 02:14:35 PM
I didnt say that it isnt blood! :)
We know its organic, so it belongs to some creature.
Engineers maybe stole that from that mysterious creature. Many of
us speculated about murals and its meanings. Murals are not random, thats what
one of production members said to me!

Space Jockey blood? Maybe the Engineers and Space Jockey are different species. I solved the mistery  ;D

23:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zInLxITvRBo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zInLxITvRBo)

He did not say that directily but you could assume that Engineers are not
in charge of Alien and Goo creation! Concerning ultimate creator, I dont know
we ll see what we expect to be a creator! Engineers are not gods or original
creators and Ridley repeated that in many interviews. I dont think we ll see the "GOD"
but there could be hints regarding some higher power or some kind of knowledge behind everything.

Engineers are just advanced humans (angels) trying to become gods! Classical Prometheus story,
and we havent seen Zeus yet!

Thanks for posting that - I hadn't seen it before.

All exciting stuff you've posted today, Enoch. Thoroughly looking forward to what Ridley has in store for us with Covenant. I really hope the mythology is expanded upon significantly with just the right amount of mystery.

What is you take on the murals?

So basically the engineers are the all mighty Prometheus. The ones who stole fire from the gods and gave it to god knows what.

Sounds to me the engineers stole some form of Alien or alien plasma/DNA/etc and came to regret their decision. The creature's hand definitely does remind of the Alien while obviously not being exactly the same.

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Jul 08, 2016, 11:27:52 AM
Sounds to me the engineers stole some form of Alien or alien plasma/DNA/etc and came to regret their decision. The creature's hand definitely does remind of the Alien while obviously not being exactly the same.

Certainly seems the direction things may go after reading Enoch's recent posts.

That's so cool! I like the idea of Engineers stealing Alien DNA rather than creating it...maintains the xenomorphs' mystery a little more.

Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 08, 2016, 02:16:35 PM
That's so cool! I like the idea of Engineers stealing Alien DNA rather than creating it...maintains the xenomorphs' mystery a little more.

Completely agree. Really hope this is the direction taken.

They idea of the 'promethean' curse being the aliens as weapons rather than that horrible black goo would be a welcome change/retcon for sure!

Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 08, 2016, 02:16:35 PM
That's so cool! I like the idea of Engineers stealing Alien DNA rather than creating it...maintains the xenomorphs' mystery a little more.

I'm down with that. They still need to explain the completely absurd Engineers-human DNA thing from Prometheus though. The only solution really would be the reverse of what was implied and that humans are infact the ancestors of these Engineers.

They predate human race, but they are genetically pretty much the same as humans.
That is already explained. I think they now need to explain some other things.

QuoteI'm down with that. They still need to explain the completely absurd Engineers-human DNA thing from Prometheus though. The only solution really would be the reverse of what was implied and that humans are infact the ancestors of these Engineers.

I totally agree. I don't hate the whole humans are descendants of Engineers concept, but I hope they go into it a little more b/c the way it was revealed was sort of matter of fact and underwhelming IMO.

QuoteThey predate human race, but they are genetically pretty much the same as humans.
That is already explained. I think they now need to explain some other things.

Definitely the more the better! It's gotta be tough trying to explain just enough while keeping the mystery and unknown vibe alive, but I'd like to know at least the basics and then I can fill in the blanks from there.

Since this is supposed to be chapter one in a new trilogy before the original, and I previously thought Prometheus was chapter one...do you think they will retcon and reboot certain things from Prometheus?

Maybe Aliens are humans transformed by the Goo? and the whole DNA thing is like Aliens are really humans turned into bio mechanical weapons by the Engineers.

Wild Random Theory i know. lol ::)

I really hope this is pretty much all we see of the Creature, I don't want to see any more of it till I'm sitting in the cinema enjoying the movie for the first time

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Jul 10, 2016, 01:17:56 AM
I really hope this is pretty much all we see of the Creature, I don't want to see any more of it till I'm sitting in the cinema enjoying the movie for the first time

1000 times, this. I want to feel like I felt when I first saw the alien snatch Brett away... "WTF did I just see??"

Yea I hope they don't reveal anything in the trailer the way they did with the Hammerpede in the Prometheus preview. Then again it was my fault for watching it

Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 10, 2016, 10:20:28 PMThen again it was my fault for watching it

No it wasn't!

We think, "ooh, I'll watch this trailer, they wouldn't put any spoilers in there": Cue 2.5 minute version of entire movie. Same thing happened with Revenge of the Sith. At least we know better now.  :P

Back in '79, when 'Star Wars' was the defining template of space themed movies Brett's death was a great moment where the escalation of  threat hit's its peak.  After the facehugger scene, which was nasty enough of a shock to fans expecting more Darth Vader style villainy, things just get worse. The chestburster scene was next in terms of bar raising shock - and is justifiably one of the most horrifying scenes in cinema history.  Then the final escalation of threat comes when Brett is attacked and abducted. 

It's the moment when the audience realises "This spaceship crew are all going to be f*cked! and Han isn't coming to save the day!" and is the moment the audience, still clinging to any residual notion that this was going to be another safe little comic book action flick featuring space battles, was completely erroded away.  Forever. 

'ALIEN' crept up on its audiences undercover of being 'another space movie released by Fox'.  That can only be done once.  Film making has changed since then.  The World has changed since then and so too has audience expectations. 

I think it's already too late to enjoy that "WTF did I just see?" emotion for 'ALIEN: Covenant' for some of us.    I don't think that senstation will ever be replicated to the same extreme degree as it was when the first movie was released upon an unsuspecting audience with absolutely no idea what to expect over 30 years ago.  People fled from cinemas back then!

We're well beyond that, now. 

First timers not exposed to any promotional material online or elsewhere seeing the movie, going in blind and completely oblivious to anything 'ALIEN' might get that sensation.  Make 'em binge watch a lot of 'Star Wars' first and then sit them down in the cinema to some 'ALIEN' chestbursting goodness.  "It's the only way to be sure."  lol.

-Windebieste.

Yeah, the franchise has to grow. Franchises have to grow. Alien has got to go big now, and thankfully that's what they're doing. Thematically and spatially. :D

Watch this part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTnKXfDyNVU&t=0m35s

:35-:46 seconds mwuahahaha, get ready guys, no more tin cans! I know some of you won't like that one bit. "I want my gooey corridors, non sleekness, crushed blacks, and pixel docu style directing!!!"

QuoteNo it wasn't!

We think, "ooh, I'll watch this trailer, they wouldn't put any spoilers in there": Cue 2.5 minute version of entire movie. Same thing happened with Revenge of the Sith. At least we know better now.  :P

Lol I remember Revenge of the Sith too...

I got duped cause Alien was always so clever about their marketing, like the quick cuts and sirens in the '79 trailer, and when the Prometheus teaser replicated that, I thought "ok we're good,"....but then the full trailer showed half the movie LOL

Thanks for sharing those details, Enoch. I'd be especially pleased if Ridley knew what he was doing with those murals and seemingly random elements. When Spaihts' was working on the film, it was mentioned as being a two parter so be nice to know they did actually have a road map.

Quote from: Enoch on Jul 07, 2016, 02:04:00 PM
Very possibliy related to that creature! I dont know much, I only have strong hints!
Goo is some kind of biological nanotechnology and its not originaly created by Engineers.
It definitley belong to some not yet seen creature! Its properties are not only to mutate/evolve or
to destroy but also to create!

Quote from: Enoch on Jul 07, 2016, 02:14:35 PM
I didnt say that it isnt blood! :)
We know its organic, so it belongs to some creature.
Engineers maybe stole that from that mysterious creature.

Quote from: Enoch on Jul 07, 2016, 02:31:30 PM
Ridley promised answers and he almost told us that Engineers did not created Xenos, and
that goo isnt originaly Engineer tool of creation and destruction. Engineers and humans are possibly just a pions in
a grander game! After all humans and engineers share the same dna!

Perhaps it could be from the original biomechaniod species. Perhaps an artificial species. Maybe something like the Borg with the capability of transforming others? Some old and ancient species? It's sounding more and more likely to me that the "real" Space Jockey's are going to make an appearance as the creators of the Jockey's.

Quote from: Guts on Jul 10, 2016, 01:08:48 AM
Maybe Aliens are humans transformed by the Goo? and the whole DNA thing is like Aliens are really humans turned into bio mechanical weapons by the Engineers.

I'm not sure I'd want that. Whilst I'm not against seeing the Aliens as creations or weapons of an ancient and powerful race, I really don't want to see them massively intertwined with mankind. Not their origins.

Quote from: BonesawT101 on Jul 08, 2016, 11:27:52 AM
Sounds to me the engineers stole some form of Alien or alien plasma/DNA/etc and came to regret their decision. The creature's hand definitely does remind of the Alien while obviously not being exactly the same.

I wouldn't ignore the possibility. The Engineer's may have stolen fire from their own gods.

Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 10, 2016, 10:20:28 PM
Yea I hope they don't reveal anything in the trailer the way they did with the Hammerpede in the Prometheus preview. Then again it was my fault for watching it

Whilst I'll be unable to avoid the spoilers, I would like a trailer that doesn't give the film away. Perhaps avoid major footage from the third act completely.

QuoteWhilst I'll be unavailable to avoid the spoilers, I would like a trailer that doesn't give the film away. Perhaps avoid major footage from the third act completely.

For sure man. As much as I want to be surprised going in, I lack the willpower to stay away from not just trailers but all other news reveals too. Tough to do these days when there's so much time between movie announcement and release. Gotta get my fix somehow.

Quote from: Denton Smalls on Jul 11, 2016, 02:56:30 PM

QuoteWhilst I'll be unavailable to avoid the spoilers, I would like a trailer that doesn't give the film away. Perhaps avoid major footage from the third act completely.

For sure man. As much as I want to be surprised going in, I lack the willpower to stay away from not just trailers but all other news reveals too. Tough to do these days when there's so much time between movie announcement and release. Gotta get my fix somehow.

Must . . . resist . . . temptation . . . doh!

I say it's on their marketing team to simultaneously engage followers and avoid spoilers.

Then we end up with those pointless pre-viz corridor teases.  :laugh: It's a tough act to balance, no doubt.

I love the look of the hand! For me this goes back to the 1979 Alien design, not quite a replica but its pretty close. For me that original design will always be the best, was never a massive fan of the slight changes they made over the duration of the sequels.

Prometheus will probably make more sense after Paradise lost.

Yeah, sure I'll join this thread.

Quote from: Guts on Aug 15, 2016, 08:36:34 PM
Prometheus will probably make more sense after Paradise lost.

Yeah - I liked Prometheus, but I hope Covenant retrospectively gives it a bit more logical cohesion in places.

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Quote from: Guts on Aug 15, 2016, 08:36:34 PM
Prometheus will probably make more sense after Paradise lost.

Yeah - I liked Prometheus, but I hope Covenant retrospectively gives it a bit more logical cohesion in places.

I really hope so!

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this...

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The Out of the Shadows and Sea of Sorrows novels make a very big fuss about a long dead species of Dog-faced Aliens and their ability to bio-engineer entire spaceships and cities...

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I wonder if that was secretly laying some groundwork for the Engineers of the Engineers or the original bio-mechanical creature? Apparently the novels are canonical and Tim Lebbon and James Moore had access to knowledge that we the fans do not.

This particular dog faced alien perhaps?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Focuk.filmsuk.com%2Fmural2.jpg&hash=829897897a7124bb570877cc8f4e5bedd13bd413)

This is the question that has been posed since the first dog aliens showed up in the recent Titan books.  But the author actually debunked this idea at some point if I remember correctly.  Hell of a coincidence though.

Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 10, 2016, 11:09:18 PM
Yeah, the franchise has to grow. Franchises have to grow. Alien has got to go big now, and thankfully that's what they're doing. Thematically and spatially. :D

Watch this part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTnKXfDyNVU&t=0m35s

:35-:46 seconds mwuahahaha, get ready guys, no more tin cans! I know some of you won't like that one bit. "I want my gooey corridors, non sleekness, crushed blacks, and pixel docu style directing!!!"

I love how he says they are going for the who made the engineers, the bigger picture.
And thank god no one alien on a ship running through it and let us hang with a cliffhanger with another undefined creature in a chair.
Oh yes feed me...


And the hand in the first comment looks like the deacons hand.

Quote from: T Dog on Aug 25, 2016, 09:04:22 PM
This particular dog faced alien perhaps?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Focuk.filmsuk.com%2Fmural2.jpg&hash=829897897a7124bb570877cc8f4e5bedd13bd413)

Oh wow! I don't think I've seen that particular image before and heck that creature surely fits the bill.  :o
It even looks like it may have 4 legs, though I can't be certain.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 09:06:14 PM
This is the question that has been posed since the first dog aliens showed up in the recent Titan books.  But the author actually debunked this idea at some point if I remember correctly.  Hell of a coincidence though.

Indeed! A little research and I found the interview. Though he does state it may have been subconscious as he did add the med-pod as a link to Prometheus. So he must have had some info, I guess they may just be another Engineer created race and were perhaps wiped out with Alien eggs like we were supposed to be. :P

QuoteCH – Many fans are wondering if there is a connection between the new canine extra-terrestrials in Out of the Shadows and the mural (see below) in Prometheus?

TL – It wasn't intentional, although the subconscious works in mysterious ways.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/tim-lebbon/

Any of you guys ever heard of King Pacal?

Well if it's subconscious then there is a change there'll be another exterrestrial race involved in Covenant. Still hoping for big boy grand Space Jockey race.

Quote from: Infected on Aug 25, 2016, 09:50:05 PM
Any of you guys ever heard of King Pacal?

Yea we all heard about him... also kind of worried that he might be god. Ridley did say that the sexy fallen angels were having all the fun while god was a boring ugly dude... yea Pacal wasn't the easiest thing to stare at. :P

Ridley's going to make the Jockey's an actual alien race. The Engineers were just copying them. Actually, shit, perhaps the Space Jockey is God...  they're not the prettiest things around either. ???

Quote from: T Dog on Aug 25, 2016, 10:25:53 PM
Well if it's subconscious then there is a change there'll be another exterrestrial race involved in Covenant. Still hoping for big boy grand Space Jockey race.

We're still not sure if that massacre scene was another race or the Jockeys. I think there's still leeway for another new species to show up.

Quote from: Kurai on Aug 25, 2016, 09:24:23 PM
Indeed! A little research and I found the interview. Though he does state it may have been subconscious as he did add the med-pod as a link to Prometheus. So he must have had some info, I guess they may just be another Engineer created race and were perhaps wiped out with Alien eggs like we were supposed to be. :P

There's still one more book left to be written by Lebbon so we may see a little more on the dog-aliens history in AvP: Armageddon.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2016, 12:39:40 AM

Quote from: Infected on Aug 25, 2016, 09:50:05 PM
Any of you guys ever heard of King Pacal?

Yea we all heard about him... also kind of worried that he might be god. Ridley did say that the sexy fallen angels were having all the fun while god was a boring ugly dude... yea Pacal wasn't the easiest thing to stare at. :P

Ridley's going to make the Jockey's an actual alien race. The Engineers were just copying them. Actually, shit, perhaps the Space Jockey is God...  they're not the prettiest things around either. ???

Just found a few weeks ago about that Pacal in his vessel,
all that Mayan stuff is so weird, i wonder wtf is up with history are we really getting the truth or is there a huge cover up of something.
I cant understand that we spend hundreds of years and gained nothing, while they like the Egyptians evolved and created so much mystery.
something isnt right, or we are only alive for like the last 100 years and we are fish in a fish bowl being watched by our makers and they can press pause whenever they want and do what they want, or we are really 2-D beings in a gazilion-D world and we are the primitives race, and then again lets face it we wouldnt even be here if it wasnt for the sun and all.
We are really missing a big gap, and i think the Mayans and the Egyptians and whatever was out there had something.
The question then is why didnt they pass on their knowledge? where the Mayans and or the Egyptians that stupid that they didnt pass on their knowledge to the second generation or did something prevented it like a gap of lets say a few hundred years
of no human growth and boom we are back again insert jesus and the other fanatic religious f**ks.

Ok i didnt read much up on it all im just talking and throwing this in,
but you cant deny there is something missing and we are being told a different story.

Humanity has not changed for nearly 100,000 years. Aside from culture and technology. Also something that past civilizations did not have was an effective way to spread knowledge. aka the printing press and today, digital media. So yea, knowledge has been lost to time. Oh and don't forget war. Plus people see what they want to see.

What if the hands don't belong to a xenomorph, ultramorph, adult deacon, or a dog-faced alien, but rather a certain bird-faced alien?

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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-kZR_jzapl9w%2FUVbd4Z0-eqI%2FAAAAAAAAG_c%2F4XENIEv62Wk%2Fs1600%2FGiger%26%23039%3BsAlienMonsterIV.jpg&hash=847f76cdf7e1a5a7c0bbac306d72ff92b51eff90)

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The hands match Alien Monster IV more than anything else, here's a few reasons why:

• The deacon has 5 fingers (http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/e/e1/Deacon_Prometheus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121204210911), where as the mystery creature has 6
• Both xenos and ultras have 6 fingers and similar exposed joints, but their fingers are connected- the index and middle, as well as the pinky and ring. The other creature's fingers aren't connected at all. Also the 'morph's fingers are nowhere as long as this creature's. The 'Morphs also have ribbing on the top of their fingers, which this creature lacks
• Assuming the creature in the mural is the dog-faced alien in SoS (still looks more birdlike to me though), it also has conjoined fingers as well as longer talon-like claws (verses the creature's much smaller, almost human-like nails), so it isn't the same creature

Obviously the hands were simplified for sake of practicality, but it is still a very close approximation- exposed joints, prominent tendons, more than 5 fingers, and very long digits.
And AM4 could be a valuable assist to the engineer's arsenal- it seems to be able to fly and appears to be large in size, so I can see acting as both an anti-aircraft bioweapon, as well as a counter-bioweapon, such as if a "controlled" xenomorph attack gets out of control, the engineers would deploy an AM4 to clean up the infestation. I mean how awesome would it be so see an AM4 attacking a spaceship, tearing it to shreds. Plus that might tie into the on-set hydraulics-maybe it's an AM4 attack

Quote from: T Dog on Aug 25, 2016, 09:04:22 PM
This particular dog faced alien perhaps?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Focuk.filmsuk.com%2Fmural2.jpg&hash=829897897a7124bb570877cc8f4e5bedd13bd413)

I don't get where people are seeing Dog similarities actually the face to me looks more bird like than anything else.

(https://i.imgur.com/bFKXgIm.jpg)

;D

Quote from: Enoch on Sep 13, 2016, 08:51:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bFKXgIm.jpg)

;D

I think you might be looking a bit too close there Enoch! :laugh:

I know, but thats what I like to do ::) :P :D

Thats really interesting. A bird-like Alien could swoop down and snatch the crew, but could take them off-camera so we might not get to see what happens with them.

I like the idea of flying facehuggers though. You can't see them quite as easily then, only be terrified of their buzzing/flapping somewhere overhead.

Like a reverse caterpillar into butterfly, the alien could start off winged and end up legged. Imagine if a chestburster burst, hovered over its victim, then flew off.

Quote from: motherfather on Sep 14, 2016, 04:49:51 PM
Thats really interesting. A bird-like Alien could swoop down and snatch the crew, but could take them off-camera so we might not get to see what happens with them.

I like the idea of flying facehuggers though. You can't see them quite as easily then, only be terrified of their buzzing/flapping somewhere overhead.

Like a reverse caterpillar into butterfly, the alien could start off winged and end up legged. Imagine if a chestburster burst, hovered over its victim, then flew off.

....It's wings flapping and splashing blood everywhere... 

Ok...this is all starting to sound kinda familiar...

I'd never noticed the bird connection before, I'd always seen it as a canine creature. Now I can't see the canine at all!