http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/ (http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/)
it is prometheus related but i do not know if it's in fact a scene from prometheus.
Beat me by seconds!
In lack of better title,
check it out yourself,
I posted this as soon I saw it, so if its NOT promethius related please delete thread.
http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/ (http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/)
i was first :laugh:
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k%2FSbqQ2scWIoI%2FAAAAAAAAcP0%2FNHNOiAbjmYU%2Fs400%2Ffuturama_fry_looking_squint.jpg&hash=ee5684ad1c2a60b99b71e713335d926f63c267d8)
WOW. Okay,
that is something.
Love how they used...
Spoiler
TED Talks as the platform for his speech.
Well I guess that answers the question regarding Prometheus being compatible with the canon of the AVP films, though it's curious why they used "Weyland Industries" for the website address.
Sweet!
This must be the viral advertising they said was coming.
Who is Luke Scott?, Ridley's son?
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 28, 2012, 07:16:01 PM
http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/ (http://blog.ted.com/TED2023/)
it is prometheus related but i do not know if it's in fact a scene from prometheus.
That's
f**king awesome.
Its started - the viral campaign!
Damon Lindelof had a countdown on his twitter feed for the past 11 hours, I thought it might be something to do with Prometheus!
Its very reminiscent of the Dharma Initiative stuff that hit the web at the start of Lost Season2...
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 28, 2012, 07:23:07 PM
Well I guess that answers the question regarding Prometheus being compatible with the canon of the AVP films, though it's curious why they used "Weyland Industries" for the website address.
if peter weyland is the founder of weyland industries that means avp is completely dismissed as canon.
QuoteSir Peter Weyland was born in Mumbai, India at the turn of the Millennium. The progeny of two brilliant parents; His mother, an Oxford Educated Professor of Comparative Mythology, his father, a self-taught software Engineer, it was clear from an early age that Sir Peter's capabilities would only be eclipsed by his ambition to realize them. By the age of fourteen, he had already registered a dozen patents in a wide range of fields from biotech to robotics, but it would be his dynamic break-throughs in generating synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap that gained him worldwide recognition and spawned an empire.
In less than a decade, Weyland Corporation became a worldwide leader in emerging technologies and launched the first privatized industrial mission to leave the planet Earth. "There are other worlds than this one," Sir Peter boldly declared, "And if there is no air to breathe, we will simply have to make it."
Mmm, that retcon tastes
delicious.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 28, 2012, 07:23:07 PM
Well I guess that answers the question regarding Prometheus being compatible with the canon of the AVP films, though it's curious why they used "Weyland Industries" for the website address.
Stop! Weyland and Co. was introduced in the original film first, which is why it's in this one. AVP is a complete rip off. It has no, and will never any place in the future of these new films.
You want AVP, go watch the old horrible fims that they are.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 28, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
Mmm, that retcon tastes delicious.
Indeed. Charles Weyland, who?
BUILDING BETTER WORLDS
So Ridley is connecting this to Cameron's Expanded Universe?
THIS IS AWESOME!
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 28, 2012, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 28, 2012, 07:23:07 PM
Well I guess that answers the question regarding Prometheus being compatible with the canon of the AVP films, though it's curious why they used "Weyland Industries" for the website address.
if peter weyland is the founder of weyland industries that means avp is completely dismissed as canon.
Right that's what I mean, this essentially dismisses the AVP canon, just is odd that they'd use "Weyland Industries" for the website address. Also, in Peter Weyland's bio it leaves it vague by saying that his father was a "self taught software engineer," perhaps one could come to the conclusion that Charles B. Weyland was married to a British woman, but that would be quite a stretch. AVP's canon is essentially in contradiction with this as most here suspected it would be.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 28, 2012, 07:35:57 PM
So Ridley is connecting this to Cameron's Expanded Universe?
THIS IS AWESOME!
1+
I never really even thought about the fact that 'Building Better Worlds' was from Cameron's pen. Awesome.
Wait, does Prometheus take place in 2023?!
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
Wait, does Prometheus take place in 2023?!
maybe it's a flashback. ridley said prometheus takes place 30 years before alien.
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 28, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
QuoteSir Peter Weyland was born in Mumbai, India at the turn of the Millennium. The progeny of two brilliant parents; His mother, an Oxford Educated Professor of Comparative Mythology, his father, a self-taught software Engineer, it was clear from an early age that Sir Peter's capabilities would only be eclipsed by his ambition to realize them. By the age of fourteen, he had already registered a dozen patents in a wide range of fields from biotech to robotics, but it would be his dynamic break-throughs in generating synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap that gained him worldwide recognition and spawned an empire.
In less than a decade, Weyland Corporation became a worldwide leader in emerging technologies and launched the first privatized industrial mission to leave the planet Earth. "There are other worlds than this one," Sir Peter boldly declared, "And if there is no air to breathe, we will simply have to make it."
Mmm, that retcon tastes delicious.
Mm!! PLEASE RIDLEY, CAN I HAVE SOME MORE!?
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 28, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 28, 2012, 07:28:52 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 28, 2012, 07:23:07 PM
Well I guess that answers the question regarding Prometheus being compatible with the canon of the AVP films, though it's curious why they used "Weyland Industries" for the website address.
if peter weyland is the founder of weyland industries that means avp is completely dismissed as canon.
Right that's what I mean, this essentially dismisses the AVP canon, just is odd that they'd use "Weyland Industries" for the website address. Also, in Peter Weyland's bio it leaves it vague by saying that his father was a "self taught software engineer," perhaps one could come to the conclusion that Charles B. Weyland was married to a British woman, but that would be quite a stretch. AVP's canon is essentially in contradiction with this as most here suspected it would be.
When did they claim that Peter is the founder of Weyland Industries? ???
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
but if peter weyland is the founder of weyland industries that means avp is history, and not part of canon.
edit:
his father is a software engineer like the site says. charles bishop weyland isn't a software engineer.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
Read the description. It says in honor of their 50th anniversary they're showing his 2023 speech. Making the year in the film 2073.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
Or he borrowed the only good thing from the AvP films and made it his own....I personally hope those are the only 2 links to anything outside of "Alien".
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
He may be using
only the name, but the existence of Peter Weyland, plus his biography contradicts Anderson's Charles Weyland. And after watching that video, Anderson could f**k off.
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 28, 2012, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
He may be using only the name, but the existence of Peter Weyland, plus his biography contradicts Anderson's Charles Weyland. And after watching that video, Anderson could f**k off.
Actually, the bio says that Peter only spawned an empire; this may not necessarily mean Weyland Industries.
Charles Weyland has been wiped from the books. Hiya, Peter! Have a seat :)
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 28, 2012, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
He may be using only the name, but the existence of Peter Weyland, plus his biography contradicts Anderson's Charles Weyland. And after watching that video, Anderson could f**k off.
Actually, the bio says that Peter only spawned an empire; this may not necessarily mean Weyland Industries.
"Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, " -weylandindustries.com
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 07:50:45 PM
Charles Weyland has been wiped from the books. Hiya, Peter! Have a seat :)
Quote from: newbeing on Feb 28, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 28, 2012, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
He may be using only the name, but the existence of Peter Weyland, plus his biography contradicts Anderson's Charles Weyland. And after watching that video, Anderson could f**k off.
Actually, the bio says that Peter only spawned an empire; this may not necessarily mean Weyland Industries.
"Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, " -weylandindustries.com
It isn't inconceivable that Peter made his own company "Weyland Megacorp" which eventually bought out "Weyland Industries" after the mysterious disappearance of his father/ancestor.
Long long time lurker first time poster- but has anyone else noticed there is something hidden in this video? Look at the 1 min mark- on his cheek and in the right hand corner a type of face appears.
Remember that report posted on another Prometheus site that showed Peter Weyland surrounded by a crowd, seemingly on a stage which we all (chiefly me) believed to be bunk and/or false??
I guess it was real after all...but it was a plant.
Nice find.
Let`s wait and see before removing anything from canon.
So the humans are gods.
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Nice find.
Let`s wait and see before removing anything from canon.
^I think this is the safest and best approach.
Oh, precious wonderful adorable loveable retcon!
But oh boy, is Guy hamming it up bigtime. Hopefully his performance in the film is a bit more convincing :P
Guy does remind me a bit of Lance Henriksen, I guess I can believe that he's related to him.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:53:05 PM
It isn't inconceivable that Peter made his own company "Weyland Megacorp" which eventually bought out "Weyland Industries" after the mysterious disappearance of his father/ancestor.
Don't even try and canonize this man with Charles Weyland. He's gone. He's history. :laugh:
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:58:30 PM
Guy does remind me a bit of Lance Henriksen, I guess I can believe that he's related to him.
:-\ And so it begins...
Sorry, but I've already retconned this film into the AVP timeline. Speaking of timelines, I have a question; If Prometheus takes place 30 years before Alien, could Ridley be changing the year Alien occurs in and make it 30 years after 2023 instead?
EDIT: Ridley did say earlier that he didn't make a specific time date for Alien so that the timeframe could be changed to match up with reality.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:58:30 PM
Guy does remind me a bit of Lance Henriksen, I guess I can believe that he's related to him.
:-\ And so it begins...
Sigh... You can't argue with someone whose fingers are in their ears.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
Sorry, but I've already retconned this film into the AVP timeline. Speaking of timelines, I have a question; If Prometheus takes place 30 years before Alien, could Ridley be changing the year Alien occurs in and make it 30 years after 2023 instead?
EDIT: Ridley did say earlier that he didn't make a specific time date for Alien so that the timeframe could be changed to match up with reality.
Read the site. It says the video took place 50 years ago in 2023, making the year 2073.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 08:04:22 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 07:59:51 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:58:30 PM
Guy does remind me a bit of Lance Henriksen, I guess I can believe that he's related to him.
:-\ And so it begins...
Sigh... You can't argue with someone whose fingers are in their ears.
I just don't see how or why we can eliminate AVP from continuity, especially when they make a very specific reference to those films.
Quote from: newbeing on Feb 28, 2012, 08:04:47 PM
Read the site. It says the video took place 50 years ago in 2023, making the year 2073.
Ah, my bad.
Does this kind of confirm that Pearce plays Wheelchair Man? An elderly Weyland searching for immortality?
That video was really, really great! Has me wondering about Pearce's role now. I remember he said that it was small...maybe he won't be alive at all (or simply very old) in Prometheus. Maybe the characters will see videos similar to this at a few points in the film/
All I know is, this is an excellent way to kick off the viral marketing! Hype levels for Prometheus rising!
Because Charles Weyland is wiped from the canon. Peter Weyland founded the company and he seems to have all of the credit in technology that Charles was initially saddled with. Ergo ... work it out from there.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
I just don't see how or why we can eliminate AVP from continuity, especially when they make a very specific reference to those films.
How? Ridley Scott, that's how. Why? Because it
must be done.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 08:08:16 PM
Because Charles Weyland is wiped from the canon. Peter Weyland founded the company and he seems to have all of the credit in technology that Charles was initially saddled with. Ergo ... work it out from there.
There's no evidence that Peter Weyland founded Weyland Industries, it just says that he spawned an empire which could very well be another company. Once that's done, he could have bought out or merged with Weyland Industries to make Weyland Megacorp that we see in Prometheus. Also, I don't think his physical similarity to Lance Henriksen was done by accident.
Did you vist the site?
Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, this 2023 TED Talk launched Weyland Corp into the international spotlight.
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
There's no evidence that Peter Weyland founded Weyland Industries, it just says that he spawned an empire which could very well be another company. Once that's done, he could have bought out or merged with Weyland Industries to make Weyland Megacorp that we see in Prometheus. Also, I don't think his physical similarity to Lance Henriksen was done by accident.
Oh my dear lord. Face facts: AVP is no longer canon (as if it ever really was). If you like it, fine, but it is not part of the ALIEN universe started by Ridley. He has just made sure of that. If for no other reason, PROMETHEUS will at least be a boon to the series in that respect.
Also, it looks like we may be getting more viral stuff, possibly this week!
"Interested parties can expect to find out more within the next few days."
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 08:08:16 PM
Because Charles Weyland is wiped from the canon. Peter Weyland founded the company and he seems to have all of the credit in technology that Charles was initially saddled with. Ergo ... work it out from there.
There's no evidence that Peter Weyland founded Weyland Industries, it just says that he spawned an empire which could very well be another company. Once that's done, he could have bought out or merged with Weyland Industries to make Weyland Megacorp that we see in Prometheus. Also, I don't think his physical similarity to Lance Henriksen was done by accident.
You didn't read the page, did you? Peter Weyland is fingered as the founder. Please read.
I am the last person on Earth that wants AVP to be connected to Prometheus but...
There is nothing in the info presented so far that eradicates the notion that Charles Weyland WASNT Peter's father. Self taught software engineer...I do recall that in AVP Weyland Industries were involved in cybernetics?
Perhaps Weyland Megacorp took the knowledge one step further!
Also the growling 'Faux Queen's English' voice hints at AVP Henrikson...
Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh! :(
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
who says he's alive in the film? We know he's only in it for a minute or so. This scene will more than likely be his only appearance in prometheus.
having the word Industries doesn't mean its connected to avp. Industries is a very common word, as is corp. so it doesn't warrant enough to say its connected
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 28, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
I am the last person on Earth that wants AVP to be connected to Prometheus but...
There is nothing in the info presented so far that eradicates the notion that Charles Weyland WASNT Peter's father. Self taught software engineer...I do recall that in AVP Weyland Industries were involved in cybernetics?
If Charles was his father, why not point it out, ala the Starks? There is no Charles Weyland. Additionally, Peter founds the company, not Charles, etc.
QuoteAlso the growling 'Faux Queen's English' voice hints at AVP Henrikson...
No. Ever since ALIEN's release, Weylan-Yutani was a merged British/Japanese company.
Awesome find just visited the link, really enjoyed looking over this, hopefully the foul stench of the avp films can be sidelined now and replaced with prometheus.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 28, 2012, 07:29:57 PMQuoteSir Peter Weyland was born in Mumbai, India at the turn of the Millennium. The progeny of two brilliant parents; His mother, an Oxford Educated Professor of Comparative Mythology, his father, a self-taught software Engineer, it was clear from an early age that Sir Peter's capabilities would only be eclipsed by his ambition to realize them. By the age of fourteen, he had already registered a dozen patents in a wide range of fields from biotech to robotics, but it would be his dynamic break-throughs in generating synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap that gained him worldwide recognition and spawned an empire.
In less than a decade, Weyland Corporation became a worldwide leader in emerging technologies and launched the first privatized industrial mission to leave the planet Earth. "There are other worlds than this one," Sir Peter boldly declared, "And if there is no air to breathe, we will simply have to make it."
Mmm, that retcon tastes delicious.
It does.
Building Better Worlds. :)
I wonder how Paul WS Anderson feels, now that Sir Ridley has given his "contributions" to the series a big middle finger. Ouch :P
Timeline people timeline. With what we've just seen Charles Weyland is no more. THERE IS NO CHARLES WEYLAND.
Peter Weyland is the founder. End of debate. There will always be a 'what if' but we're dealing with 'what's presented to us' not 'what ifs.'
You know, I really don't mind AVP. In fact, I quite enjoy it. But I do much prefer keeping it separate fro the Alien films. Prometheus is shaping up to be great, and based on the trailer and this video, has the potential to be the Alien prequel we've all been waiting for! Even without the Alien itself, I'm excited to see just what this film has to offer.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
I wonder how Paul WS Anderson feels, now that Sir Ridley has given his "contributions" to the series a big middle finger. Ouch :P
Yeah, just like how he tried to be coy and fit
Soldier into the
Blade Runner universe. What a complete hack.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
I wonder how Paul WS Anderson feels, now that Sir Ridley has given his "contributions" to the series a big middle finger. Ouch :P
He's so angry he is going to lock himself in a room and write another unwatchable sequel to "Resident Evil".
theres an interview with lindelof in the ted blog.
"We wanted to make an entertaining movie at the same time. Hopefully, it's a hybrid in tone between the original Alien and Blade Runner"
born at the turn of millenium. so at 2023 hes having 23 years old?? he doesnt look that young in the video. looks more like 30something. so if prometheus is at 2073 hes very well capable of reaching in and strong possibility hes the chair guy.
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2012, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
who says he's alive in the film? We know he's only in it for a minute or so. This scene will more than likely be his only appearance in prometheus.
having the word Industries doesn't mean its connected to avp. Industries is a very common word, as is corp. so it doesn't warrant enough to say its connected
maybe the travel to space takes the crew of the prometheus 50 years? so they could start in "present time" in 2023 and there could be some scenes with Weyland, but the real story happens after 50 years of space travel and hypersleep far far away from here. just a thought.
i could even imagine the film starting with this speech of Weyland.
then a black screen with text "50 years later"
next scene: hypersleep chamber à la Alien....
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
I wonder how Paul WS Anderson feels, now that Sir Ridley has given his "contributions" to the series a big middle finger. Ouch :P
anderson himself said he was pleased with the movie as a filmmaker but not so much as a fan. so i guess he wouldn't make that big of a deal out of it. i like and respect the first avp movie but in my mind it's not part of the alien franchise, but part of the seperate avp franchise.
Peter Weyland has been a magnet for controversy since he announced his intent to build the first convincingly humanoid robotic system by the end of the decade.
Whether challenging the ethical boundaries of medicine with nanotechnology or going toe to toe with the Vatican itself on the issue of gene-therapy sterilization, Sir Peter prides himself on his motto, "If we can, we must." After a three year media blackout, Weyland has finally emerged to reveal where he's heading next. Wherever that may be, we will most certainly want to follow.
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 28, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
Did you vist the site?
Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, this 2023 TED Talk launched Weyland Corp into the international spotlight.
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 08:08:16 PM
Because Charles Weyland is wiped from the canon. Peter Weyland founded the company and he seems to have all of the credit in technology that Charles was initially saddled with. Ergo ... work it out from there.
There's no evidence that Peter Weyland founded Weyland Industries, it just says that he spawned an empire which could very well be another company. Once that's done, he could have bought out or merged with Weyland Industries to make Weyland Megacorp that we see in Prometheus. Also, I don't think his physical similarity to Lance Henriksen was done by accident.
You didn't read the page, did you? Peter Weyland is fingered as the founder. Please read.
It doesn't say specifically that Peter founded Weyland Industries; at best it implies that he founded Weyland MegaCorp.
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 28, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
I am the last person on Earth that wants AVP to be connected to Prometheus but...
There is nothing in the info presented so far that eradicates the notion that Charles Weyland WASNT Peter's father. Self taught software engineer...I do recall that in AVP Weyland Industries were involved in cybernetics?
Perhaps Weyland Megacorp took the knowledge one step further!
Also the growling 'Faux Queen's English' voice hints at AVP Henrikson...
Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh! :(
Thank you.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 08:24:47 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 28, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
I am the last person on Earth that wants AVP to be connected to Prometheus but...
There is nothing in the info presented so far that eradicates the notion that Charles Weyland WASNT Peter's father. Self taught software engineer...I do recall that in AVP Weyland Industries were involved in cybernetics?
If Charles was his father, why not point it out, ala the Starks? There is no Charles Weyland. Additionally, Peter founds the company, not Charles, etc.
QuoteAlso the growling 'Faux Queen's English' voice hints at AVP Henrikson...
No. Ever since ALIEN's release, Weylan-Yutani was a merged British/Japanese company.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
I just don't see how or why we can eliminate AVP from continuity, especially when they make a very specific reference to those films.
Had to comment on this. I would never see a Weyland reference to be connected to AvP. They used it from the Alien saga, which is where its origins have rested happily since 1979.
I know its a backhand to the AvP movies, but Predxeno dude, the collective sigh of relief you hear from most others has to be deafening. :D
Quote from: Snowdog on Feb 28, 2012, 08:39:33 PM
anderson himself said he was pleased with the movie as a filmmaker but not so much as a fan.
Oh yeah, AVP was a
tour de force of filmmaking excellence! :laugh:
Jon Spaihts on Twitter says:
QuoteWe tried not to violate canon wherever possible; but the canon's not completely coherent and in the end story wins.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 08:44:35 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
I just don't see how or why we can eliminate AVP from continuity, especially when they make a very specific reference to those films.
Had to comment on this. I would never see a Weyland reference to be connected to AvP. They used it from the Alien saga, which is where its origins have rested happily since 1979.
I know its a backhand to the AvP movies, but Predxeno dude, the collective sigh of relief you hear from most others has to be deafening. :D
Actually, I was referring to Weyland Industries rather than just the name "Weyland." I was also referring to the fact that Peter Weyland also has Charles Bishop Weyland's likeness as well which can't be coincidental.
EDIT: And yes, the collective sigh of relief is deafening, but I still believe it to be premature.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:43:50 PM
It doesn't say specifically that Peter founded Weyland Industries; at best it implies that he founded Weyland MegaCorp.
::) Just accept it. Your brain will hurt less if you forgo all the futile mental gymnastics it'll require to reconcile the two clearly conflicting canons.
I fight to the bitter end, I'm afraid. :-[
Quote from: Zeta Reticuli on Feb 28, 2012, 08:35:33 PM
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2012, 08:22:35 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Then how is Peter Weyland alive in both 2023 and in Prometheus? Maybe they already invented cryotubes by then? On a side note, it looks like Prometheus isn't ignoring the AVP films after all if Ridley is still using the title "Weyland Industries." :)
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
who says he's alive in the film? We know he's only in it for a minute or so. This scene will more than likely be his only appearance in prometheus.
having the word Industries doesn't mean its connected to avp. Industries is a very common word, as is corp. so it doesn't warrant enough to say its connected
maybe the travel to space takes the crew of the prometheus 50 years? so they could start in "present time" in 2023 and there could be some scenes with Weyland, but the real story happens after 50 years of space travel and hypersleep far far away from here. just a thought.
i could even imagine the film starting with this speech of Weyland.
then a black screen with text "50 years later"
next scene: hypersleep chamber à la Alien....
My point was that this video just released could be the only footage Peter Weyland is in. The original poster i quoted kinda of implied that peter weyland was going to appear in it more than this one scene. We know he's only in it for a minute or so. So this video could be the only footage of Guy pearce in the film
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:49:33 PM
I fight to the bitter end, I'm afraid. :-[
If only it were for a noble cause! :P
QuoteCELEBRATING 50 YEARS OF BUILDING BETTER WORLDS.
I don`t really see the problem. It`s 50 th aniversary of Wayland company. Peter Weyland is clearly not in his 50`s, so company must have been started by someone else. This 'someone' might be C. B. Wayland. Problem solved.
AVP was just wiped clean from canon like the shitstain it is. Riddles says so.
No charles bishop weyland
no pyramid
no predators
no aliens on earth in 2004
and THANK GOD no AVPRectum
Deal with it.
His last chance is Lindelof...there could be a alternate universe from AvP that melts with this reality :laugh:
Quote from: nendo on Feb 28, 2012, 08:50:32 PM
My point was that this video just released could be the only footage Peter Weyland is in. The original poster i quoted kinda of implied that peter weyland was going to appear in it more than this one scene. We know he's only in it for a minute or so. So this video could be the only footage of Guy pearce in the film
I doubt this viral clip is part of the film at all. First of all, the effects are not movie standard. Guy Pearce clearly isn't giving it his all, and lastly, the clip isnt even directed by Ridley Scott, it's directed by his son.
Quote from: predxeno
Actually, I was referring to Weyland Industries rather than just the name "Weyland." I was also referring to the fact that Peter Weyland also has Charles Bishop Weyland's likeness as well which can't be coincidental.
You're clutching at the tiniest of straws dude. ;D
Was it yourself that said AvP is linked to Alien because it was set in Antarctica and the mention of 'Antarctica Traffic Control' is in Alien?
This video has been a doube whammy positive. First it's a nice new video about Prometheus and secondly it shoots AvP firmly out of canon and into the confines of Razzie hell. There's such an excellent feeling of time and effort going into Prometheus. Hopefully this will be a happy new era in the Alien franchise with more high quality films, even if they're directly related or not.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 08:48:21 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:43:50 PM
It doesn't say specifically that Peter founded Weyland Industries; at best it implies that he founded Weyland MegaCorp.
::) Just accept it. Your brain will hurt less if you forgo all the futile mental gymnastics it'll require to reconcile the two clearly conflicting canons.
Predxeno's brain is extremely flexible and well-adapted to canon inconsistencies. He's like a canon ninja.
I really like how they take advantage of the Weyland or WY corps involvement with artificial persons. I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power. They seem to be a leader, if not
the leader, in that field.
Some trivia, but does anyone remember if the Autods from Resurrection originated from WY? That would be coolness in a bottle.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:46:48 PM
I was also referring to the fact that Peter Weyland also has Charles Bishop Weyland's likeness as well which can't be coincidental.
I have never in my life heard someone say Pearce is Henriksen's double. Is this another mad scramble for a strawman argument again?
Glad to see avp canon being discarded from the alien universe. I was starting to even believe Fox would make Scott retcon It, but It seems they eventually made him be as the man who started It all in 1979.
Now time to see how he also discards things like the alien queen, and mostly everything "aliens = bugs" introduced by Cameron. I want to see a return to the biomechanical nightmare the alien was once. Enough of Cameron's space ants shit.
PredXeno is a troll. There. I said it.
Quote from: escroto on Feb 28, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
Now time to see how he also discards things like the alien queen, and mostly everything "aliens = bugs" introduced by Cameron. I want to see a return to the biomechanical nightmare the alien was once. Enough of Cameron's space ants shit.
I doubt it, considering Scott researched insects for the original film and usually compares his Alien to them (why don't more people know this?)
I watch ALOT of horror films, and sometimes they make mistakes in continuity or logic. That's what happens when you have DIFFERENT filmmakers, with DIFFERENT visions. It doesn't have to fit into a perfect package, because they are MOVIES. I don't think Ridley Scott even bothered to watch AVP, or Alien 3 and Resurrection for that matter, to look at the established continuity. There is going to be continuity issues. As movie-geeks, we have to fill in the gaps ourselves. This is just fodder for the die-hard AVP haters to say, "HA! f**k those movies!" I didn't love them either, but there is no reason it all can't make sense, and in 50 years it's just going to be even more muddled. Oh well. Enjoy them for what they are, be inspired, but don't be so literal about canon.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
I really like how they take advantage of the Weyland or WY corps involvement with artificial persons. I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power. They seem to be a leader, if not the leader, in that field.
What.
Quote from: RagingDragon
I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power.
What would be another nice kick in the teeth of AvP would be if they made Bishop from a rival company (Hyperdyne/Cyberdyne) while Ash (WY) and David (WI) are their own.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
I really like how they take advantage of the Weyland or WY corps involvement with artificial persons. I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power. They seem to be a leader, if not the leader, in that field.
What.
He means Hyperdyne. Dialogue from Aliens.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
I really like how they take advantage of the Weyland or WY corps involvement with artificial persons. I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power. They seem to be a leader, if not the leader, in that field.
What.
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Quote from: irn on Feb 28, 2012, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon
I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power.
What would be another nice kick in the teeth of AvP would be if they made Bishop from a rival company (Hyperdyne/Cyberdyne) while Ash (WY) and David (WI) are their own.
Ash was created by Hyberdyne, not Bishop...
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
I really like how they take advantage of the Weyland or WY corps involvement with artificial persons. I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power. They seem to be a leader, if not the leader, in that field.
What.
In the original Aliens script it said Bishop was built by Cyberdyne, but it was changed to Hyperdyne at time of shooting.
Quote from: Zeta Reticuli on Feb 28, 2012, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
I really like how they take advantage of the Weyland or WY corps involvement with artificial persons. I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power. They seem to be a leader, if not the leader, in that field.
What.
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/2/22528/497642-497641-terminator_super.jpg
The horror. :P
I'm loving this so so much. It's great to come back after school with a very very intriguing video in my Youtube subscriptions.
Quote from: irn on Feb 28, 2012, 09:06:22 PM
In the original Aliens script it said Bishop was built by Cyberdyne, but it was changed to Hyperdyne at time of shooting.
I know it was, and it's not canon. Why anyone would take it as such?
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 09:06:04 PM
Quote from: irn on Feb 28, 2012, 09:03:09 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon
I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power.
What would be another nice kick in the teeth of AvP would be if they made Bishop from a rival company (Hyperdyne/Cyberdyne) while Ash (WY) and David (WI) are their own.
Ash was created by Hyberdyne, not Bishop...
Exactly. It would be nice if they emphasized Hyperdyne being a rival cybernetics company, therefore taking the idea of a Bishop having anything to do with Weyland.
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 08:50:47 PM
QuoteCELEBRATING 50 YEARS OF BUILDING BETTER WORLDS.
I don`t really see the problem. It`s 50 th aniversary of Wayland company. Peter Weyland is clearly not in his 50`s, so company must have been started by someone else. This 'someone' might be C. B. Wayland. Problem solved.
I think you're misunderstanding the site's info.
They're stating its been 50 years since his announcement in 2023. Not that WY was founded 50 years prior to 2023.
Also I wonder if this means Michael Bishop was a human afterall
Quote from: irn on Feb 28, 2012, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
I really like how they take advantage of the Weyland or WY corps involvement with artificial persons. I mean, Ash was created by Cyberdyne, but Aliens and Alien 3 kind of push Weyland's cybernetics programs as being a centerpiece to their corporate power. They seem to be a leader, if not the leader, in that field.
What.
In the original Aliens script it said Bishop was built by Cyberdyne, but it was changed to Hyperdyne at time of shooting.
Ash was created by Hyberdyne. Go watch Aliens if you don`t trust me.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: escroto on Feb 28, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
Now time to see how he also discards things like the alien queen, and mostly everything "aliens = bugs" introduced by Cameron. I want to see a return to the biomechanical nightmare the alien was once. Enough of Cameron's space ants shit.
I doubt it, considering Scott researched insects for the original film and usually compares his Alien to them (why don't more people know this?)
yup.
The insect stuff has been there from the start. But its not the egg/host/queen/hive nature that 'bugs' me its the expendable/stupid/only an animal thing that does it.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Feb 28, 2012, 09:10:35 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: escroto on Feb 28, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
Now time to see how he also discards things like the alien queen, and mostly everything "aliens = bugs" introduced by Cameron. I want to see a return to the biomechanical nightmare the alien was once. Enough of Cameron's space ants shit.
I doubt it, considering Scott researched insects for the original film and usually compares his Alien to them (why don't more people know this?)
yup.
The insect stuff has been there from the start. But its not the egg/host/queen/hive nature that 'bugs' me its the expendable/stupid/only an animal thing that does it.
Yeah. Xenomorphs went from really eerie,
aliens in Alien to space-velociraptors in AR.
Then went to canon fodder in AVP:R as weak little bitches :( :( :( :( :(
A director referring to his monster as an insect....and depicting it as one are very very different things. Cameron depicted the creatures as more ubug-like then mysterious organism.
Quote from: The Runner on Feb 28, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Then went to canon fodder in AVP:R as weak little bitches :( :( :( :( :(
shhhhshhhhIt's ok honey. AVPR is gone for good now thanks to this thread. Isn't it great?
Quote from: Spaghetti on Feb 28, 2012, 09:18:56 PM
Quote from: The Runner on Feb 28, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
Then went to canon fodder in AVP:R as weak little bitches :( :( :( :( :(
shhhh
shhhh
It's ok honey. AVPR is gone for good now thanks to this thread. Isn't it great?
Now if only every copy of it was burned and we all had our collective memories of it erased. AvP:R is still the worst movie i have ever seen, and lord I have seen some bad ones.
Yes. :D
But what about PredXeno? What will he do?
So could the basis of the film be humans steal a powerful technology from the space jockeys then they punish us? Possibly mixed in with various subtexts.
Sorry- I am not very good with image cropping and such the like, hoping someone with more skills could help. Have a look at his face at about 1 min. It appears that some writing appears on his face that is similar to that seen on the giant head and elsewhere. As I said in my earlier post there is sometihng hidden in this. Mailed the moderators to help decode it but can anyone else help. I have attached the image below. Thanks
Here is the ultimate link to AvP:
"...but it would be his dynamic break-throughs in generating synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap that gained him worldwide recognition and spawned an empire."
He needed that atmospehere to dig out the temple !!! :P
Hilarious exchange taking place over at Alien Prequel News involving KFS whose "plot synopsis" did the rounds a long time ago.
Head over there and have a read - it is truly something when someone claiming to be "in the know" is hoist by their own petard!
Link:http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2012/02/guy-pearce-plays-peter-weyland-in.html (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2012/02/guy-pearce-plays-peter-weyland-in.html)
Is it bad this scene keeps on reminded me of a "fake" leaked scene for Prometheus we got in the past?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40874.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40874.0)
Quote from: The Runner on Feb 28, 2012, 09:21:48 PM
Yes. :D
But what about PredXeno? What will he do?
I swear he is from an alternative universe where those films were actually, you know, decent.
Except it isn't fake. The video or the storyboards from that original post.
Humble pie all round for some.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 28, 2012, 09:26:18 PM
Here is the ultimate link to AvP:
"...but it would be his dynamic break-throughs in generating synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap that gained him worldwide recognition and spawned an empire."
He needed that atmospehere to dig out the temple !!! :P
It's a metaphor for patching up the gaping hole that movie left in the franchise :P
Remember THESE??
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene1.JPG (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene1.JPG)
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene2.JPG (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene2.JPG)
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene3.JPG (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene3.JPG)
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene4.JPG (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/PrometheusScene4.JPG)
Dammit...too slow.
But it's humble-pie I believe we're actually BEING fed.
Now, I KNOW Ridley and Co are f**king with us...and I strangely don't mind a jot.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 28, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
Is it bad this scene keeps on reminded me of a "fake" leaked scene for Prometheus we got in the past?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40874.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40874.0)
Wow. That's shockingly similar.
Guy Pearce doesn't look anything like Lance Henriksen. Like at all.
Quote from: johnw on Feb 28, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Sorry- I am not very good with image cropping and such the like, hoping someone with more skills could help. Have a look at his face at about 1 min. It appears that some writing appears on his face that is similar to that seen on the giant head and elsewhere. As I said in my earlier post there is sometihng hidden in this. Mailed the moderators to help decode it but can anyone else help. I have attached the image below. Thanks
I think it was just a glitch in the video. I've just watched it in 1080p on a 50" HDTV and the glitch never appeared.
Okay, so I'm going to start by saying that was awesome! Excitement building. :P
I also have some things I'd like to discuss. First, I absolutely loath the gimmicky hover-cameras. Second, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce) is supposed to be, what? 23?! He looks late forties to me, and that's being generous! :D
That's it really, it was very impressive, its just those things that bothered me. :)
Still not seeing why we couldn't reconcile AvP with this, other movies have done much greater "damage" and it's been worked around.
Quote from: The Runner on Feb 28, 2012, 09:21:48 PM
Yes. :D
But what about PredXeno? What will he do?
I dunno man. Now that his main power source has been swept away like the garbage it is he might have to self terminate into a vat of hot lava.
But more likely him and the rest will just have to
Spoiler
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Quote from: gooner_no1 on Feb 28, 2012, 08:46:02 PM
Jon Spaihts on Twitter says:
QuoteWe tried not to violate canon wherever possible; but the canon's not completely coherent and in the end story wins.
This is soooo cryptic - he's basically saying the canon as it stands makes no sense, so they're relating to the bits that do and dumping everything else. But what bits? lol
I'd like to think Ridley has scrapped everything post Alien lol...at very least he'll relate to Aliens, but I'd really like to see the Queen concept dumped. I like the creature being more biomechanical and otherworldly rather than being a descendant of our Earths mighty ants ...it needs to be what the original title says - Alien!
This looks like it's been shot for 3D. So, we may perhaps see this in the film in some fashion. It may even open the film - does anybody remember the opening to Moon, which was like an advertisement which ended with the Lunar Industries logo. Perhaps they might do something similar here. I'd be happy if this opened the film. I think it would give you a sense of the grandness of what's to come for the rest of the film! Perhaps a little longer. And, we may see a little bit more of Peter Weyland during the production development of the Prometheus.
Does this mean that Guy Pearce is not actually in the movie Prometheus at all then?! Surely he would be a *very* old man if he was in Prometheus, seeing as how this video clip is supposed to be set in 2023?
Is this the beginning of another mystery?!
Is it just me, or is he using John Hurt's voice inflections?
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 28, 2012, 09:46:27 PM
Does this mean that Guy Pearce is not actually in the movie Prometheus at all then?! Surely he would be a *very* old man if he was in Prometheus, seeing as how this video clip is supposed to be set in 2023?
Is this the beginning of another mystery?!
He DID mentiom nano-tech, so maybe aging can be 'slowed'...
Quote from: johnw on Feb 28, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Sorry- I am not very good with image cropping and such the like, hoping someone with more skills could help. Have a look at his face at about 1 min. It appears that some writing appears on his face that is similar to that seen on the giant head and elsewhere. As I said in my earlier post there is sometihng hidden in this. Mailed the moderators to help decode it but can anyone else help. I have attached the image below. Thanks
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Nope
Quote from: Glaive on Feb 28, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
Is it just me, or is he using John Hurt's voice inflections?
YES!!! :o
Less John Hurt, more Hugo Weaving, methinks.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 28, 2012, 07:29:57 PM
Mmm, that retcon tastes delicious.
Yessss.
Thank you Ridley Scott!
AVP can go back to the darkest pits of hell where it belongs
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 28, 2012, 09:49:30 PM
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I
totally see Lance Henrikson.
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Feb 28, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: gooner_no1 on Feb 28, 2012, 08:46:02 PM
Jon Spaihts on Twitter says:
QuoteWe tried not to violate canon wherever possible; but the canon's not completely coherent and in the end story wins.
This is soooo cryptic - he's basically saying the canon as it stands makes no sense, so they're relating to the bits that do and dumping everything else. But what bits? lol
I'd like to think Ridley has scrapped everything post Alien lol...at very least he'll relate to Aliens, but I'd really like to see the Queen concept dumped. I like the creature being more biomechanical and otherworldly rather than being a descendant of our Earths mighty ants ...it needs to be what the original title says - Alien!
If he starts dumping the sequels (no matter what he or other people think of them) it'll just make it seem like Prometheus is in its own little universe with 'Alien', while all the other movies (and 'AvP', etc) are still part of the "main" universe.
It's like 'Casino Royale'. It dumped all the prior Bond movies and started over, but that doesn't mean all those old Bond movies "aren't canon". It meant Casino Royale is in its own little timeline.
With many here celebrating that this "wipes away" the canon of the AVP films, let me share my thoughts. No official canon is truly gone until the franchise owners say so (FOX). As is evident with the Star Trek reboot, creating a canon contradiction does not eliminate canon, it creates an alternate canon. For example: there are multiple, contradicting plot lines in the Terminator franchise. And even though the new Batman films are extremely popular, they do not destroy the canon of the older films, they simply create alternate canon. The point could be made that since the filmmakers have stated that Prometheus should not be regarded as an Alien film, that it's doing its own thing, that AVP would be part of the "traditional" canon, a true Alien film, whereas Prometheus would essentially be a reboot or spiritual successor to Alien. This would create an alternate "Prometheus" canon in which the other films are only taken into account in the lightest sense. On the other hand, you could argue that AVP started its own new alternate canon that was never meant to be considered part of the Alien franchise, and that Prometheus is the true Alien film.
Considering the expansive franchise that Alien is, there is so much material with the primary films and EU, I think it's fair to say that canon will be slightly different depending on what stories of the franchise a fan prefers. Many Alien fans don't like to consider Aliens canon even though officially speaking it is. The same is true for the AVP films, even if Prometheus has such a contradiction with the AVP films to make them completely incompatible, that does not destroy the canon of the AVP films, the contradiction simply creates an alternate canon. AVP is still official canon, just a different canon. You can never please all of the fans, and many here, even if they are not outspoken about it, are fans of the AVP films. Debate on which films are better or more relevant to the franchise is to be expected, but I'd like to suggest not alienating (pun intended) fans of the AVP films. This is an AVP site after all.
There were biger canon issues earlier.
Same ws with Rodriguez saying P2 is non cannon etc. Is it really? I don`t think so. Besides there was no single thing in this video excluding AvP and , at least for me, only films are canon. TBH we don`t really know if this is a part of the film what so ever.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 28, 2012, 09:53:30 PM
With many here celebrating that this "wipes away" the canon of the AVP films, let me share my thoughts. No official canon is truly gone until the franchise owners say so (FOX). As is evident with the Star Trek reboot, creating a canon contradiction does not eliminate canon, it creates an alternate canon. For example: there are multiple, contradicting plot lines in the Terminator franchise. And even though the new Batman films are extremely popular, they do not destroy the canon of the older films, they simply create alternate canon. The point could be made that since the filmmakers have stated that Prometheus should not be regarded as an Alien film, that it's doing its own thing, that AVP would be part of the "traditional" canon, a true Alien film, whereas Prometheus would essentially be a reboot or spiritual successor to Alien. This would create an alternate "Prometheus" canon in which the other films are only taken into account in the lightest sense. On the other hand, you could argue that AVP started its own new alternate canon that was never meant to be considered part of the Alien franchise, and that Prometheus is the true Alien film.
Considering the expansive franchise that Alien is, there is so much material with the primary films and EU, I think it's fair to say that canon will be slightly different depending on what stories of the franchise a fan prefers. Many Alien fans don't like to consider Aliens canon even though officially speaking it is. The same is true for the AVP films, even if Prometheus has such a contradiction with the AVP films to make them completely incompatible, that does not destroy the canon of the AVP films, the contradiction simply creates an alternate canon. AVP is still official canon, just a different canon. You can never please all of the fans, and many here, even if they are not outspoken about it, are fans of the AVP films. Debate on which films are better or more relevant to the franchise is to be expected, but I'd like to suggest not alienating (pun intended) fans of the AVP films. This is an AVP site after all.
Well said.
Also for the record 'AvP' was always intended to be part of the Alien AND Predator "canon" (and link them in movie form), and FOX has continually supported this idea.
Frankly we'll have to wait and see how Prometheus plays out. Maybe this viral marketing campaign will name-drop Charles Weyland or something.
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 09:56:33 PM
There were biger canon issues earlier.
Same ws with Rodriguez saying P2 is non cannon etc. Is it really? I don`t think so. Besides there was no single thing in this video excluding AvP and , at least for me, only films are canon. TBH we don`t really know if this is a part of the film what so ever.
I'm sure they've stated it's not part of the film, just an elaborate set up - which is brilliant. It's the beginning...of the end :)
Anyone latch onto the lines; "you know I will for nothing short of greatness, or I will die trying..." hmmmm I wonder if there's a little irony in there? ;)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2012, 09:58:37 PM
Well said.
Also for the record 'AvP' was always intended to be part of the Alien AND Predator "canon" (and link them in movie form), and FOX has continually supported this idea.
Frankly we'll have to wait and see how Prometheus plays out. Maybe this viral marketing campaign will name-drop Charles Weyland or something.
Here's hoping!
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It was a nice post, Ridge Top, but I disagree with one of your early statements about canon not being gone until Fox says so. They haven't said jack about canon through so many contradictions, the clear and only option left was for the fanbase to make up their own minds, which resulted in the wonderful constant canon mess we deal with.
What makes a fanbase thus treated suddenly have to hang on Fox ruling over another contradiction just because they're interested again and it looks like they won't have a cheap, crappy product like the AvP films?
Most fans were left to make up their own minds awhile back, and I would bet that's how it's going to stay. They seem to have thrown out their canon-declaring credibility with the AvP bathwater. :D
Wait weren't you the person who said in another thread that authorial intent/statements trump audience interpretations in all situations? Why doesn't that apply now?
And yes, FOX *does* have the final say on what is actually honest-to-god canon, but that shouldn't stop fans from deciding for themselves what they personally accept as canon.
At least as long as Fox doesn't care to enforce any sort of canon. Which is precisely what they've been doing since 1988.
I highly doubt canon is the first thing on a Fox executive's mind when they produce their films. It's more along the lines of "MONEY,MONEY,MONEY,MONEY." They've also allowed the canon and continuity to get f**ked up so many times that their statements on canon are meaningless to me at this point. People can make up whatever they want really, but it seems pretty apparent that Ridley Scott doesn't view either AvP film as fitting into the canon.
QuoteThe Weyland talk is NOT in the movie. Made just for TED. And y'all, of course. #MoreToCome
https://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/174603246470565888 (https://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/174603246470565888)
Well i guess that was pretty clear since the whole thing looks good for viral stuff but lacks (good) movie quality.
Some shots remind me of a Command and Conquer cutscene :laugh:
Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
At least as long as Fox doesn't care to enforce any sort of canon.
They do, it's just not as strict as with other franchises like Star Wars or whatever. They have a licensing department with a "continuity bible" and licensees have to run stuff past them before it gets published.
Quote from: ikarop on Feb 28, 2012, 10:21:43 PM
QuoteThe Weyland talk is NOT in the movie. Made just for TED. And y'all, of course. #MoreToCome
https://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/174603246470565888 (https://twitter.com/#!/DamonLindelof/status/174603246470565888)
Well there you go! :)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2012, 10:26:35 PM
They do, it's just not as strict as with other franchises like Star Wars or whatever. They have a licensing department with a "continuity bible" and licensees have to run stuff past them before it gets published.
Up until they let licensees ignore everything that's come before and to do what they please.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
Wait weren't you the person who said in another thread that authorial intent/statements trump audience interpretations in all situations? Why doesn't that apply now?
And yes, FOX *does* have the final say on what is actually honest-to-god canon, but that shouldn't stop fans from deciding for themselves what they personally accept as canon.
I stated an obvious fact that a creator that creates and owns something decides what it is, not you with your opinions. That doesn't really have anything to do with canon. A creator establishes canon, then the studio has the burden of enforcing it and keeping it consistent as it grows and expands. Fox definitely did not.
Plus, I said that because you were directly contradicting something that had been established since the first Alien film and saying it was valid simply because you had the opinion in the first place.
Swing and a miss.
I wasn't directly contradicting anything, we kind of went over it in that thread.
You were claiming that authorial intent trumps audience interpretation as if that's a universal truth and it's at best one way to look at art, but it's not the ONLY way.
Which really isn't terribly different from what you're doing here, saying that FOX has said something about "canon" and you're choosing to interpret it another way. By your reasoning, you shouldn't be able to do that no matter how many mental gymnastics you go through to justify it.
QuoteA creator establishes canon, then the studio has the burden of enforcing it and keeping it consistent as it grows and expands. Fox definitely did not.
You're welcome to that opinion, I happen to disagree.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 28, 2012, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 08:46:48 PM
I was also referring to the fact that Peter Weyland also has Charles Bishop Weyland's likeness as well which can't be coincidental.
I have never in my life heard someone say Pearce is Henriksen's double. Is this another mad scramble for a strawman argument again?
Quote from: EarthAngel on Feb 28, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
Guy Pearce doesn't look anything like Lance Henriksen. Like at all.
You guys misunderstand me. I never said that they were look alikes, I just said that they looked and sounded similar enough for their characters to be related.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 28, 2012, 09:53:30 PM
With many here celebrating that this "wipes away" the canon of the AVP films, let me share my thoughts. No official canon is truly gone until the franchise owners say so (FOX). As is evident with the Star Trek reboot, creating a canon contradiction does not eliminate canon, it creates an alternate canon. For example: there are multiple, contradicting plot lines in the Terminator franchise. And even though the new Batman films are extremely popular, they do not destroy the canon of the older films, they simply create alternate canon. The point could be made that since the filmmakers have stated that Prometheus should not be regarded as an Alien film, that it's doing its own thing, that AVP would be part of the "traditional" canon, a true Alien film, whereas Prometheus would essentially be a reboot or spiritual successor to Alien. This would create an alternate "Prometheus" canon in which the other films are only taken into account in the lightest sense. On the other hand, you could argue that AVP started its own new alternate canon that was never meant to be considered part of the Alien franchise, and that Prometheus is the true Alien film.
Considering the expansive franchise that Alien is, there is so much material with the primary films and EU, I think it's fair to say that canon will be slightly different depending on what stories of the franchise a fan prefers. Many Alien fans don't like to consider Aliens canon even though officially speaking it is. The same is true for the AVP films, even if Prometheus has such a contradiction with the AVP films to make them completely incompatible, that does not destroy the canon of the AVP films, the contradiction simply creates an alternate canon. AVP is still official canon, just a different canon. You can never please all of the fans, and many here, even if they are not outspoken about it, are fans of the AVP films. Debate on which films are better or more relevant to the franchise is to be expected, but I'd like to suggest not alienating (pun intended) fans of the AVP films. This is an AVP site after all.
Well said, RidgeTop. *clap clap* Well said.
The Fox/canon argument is a huge and muddled topic. You were saying that a facehugger was an independent organism comparable to a spider when the majority of the answers you received disagreed, including mine, as well as the evidence and examples that were used.
Fox said nothing about canon, and the canon was blatantly contradicted numerous times in the AvP films. The facehugger doesn't need Fox to declare what it is, because you can freaking see it with your own eyes and pretty much discern its entire purpose within seconds of doing this. It isn't at the whim of Fox CEOs, but your own simple powers of observation, which I find yours to be disturbingly flawed.
I'm not getting into it with you in this thread.
Back to the video.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
The Fox/canon argument is a huge and muddled topic. You were saying that a facehugger was an independent organism comparable to a spider when the majority of the answers you received disagreed, including mine, as well as the evidence and examples that were used.
When did this happen? ???
QuoteYou're welcome to that opinion, I happen to disagree.
What's to disagree with? If Fox did in fact enforce a single canon and continuity, then people you like and predxeno wouldn't be constantly trying to tell everyone that 'Yes it can all fit together' and everyone else wouldn't be saying 'No, it can't'. If it all fit there would be no debate.
Check out the monitors in the background--they misspell Weyland's name, same as those leaked storyboards did. ;D And apparently Twitter is still going strong in the future. Ugh.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F24zbokw.png&hash=25190432f0708c294ea74ca681824163e6f26fa3)
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 10:38:46 PM
You guys misunderstand me. I never said that they were look alikes, I just said that they looked and sounded similar enough for their characters to be related.
They don't sound similar at all. Charles doesn't speak with an accent.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
Fox said nothing about canon, and the canon was blatantly contradicted numerous times in the AvP films
Yeah neither of those statements are accurate.
And whether or not you want to get "into it" with me in this thread, it really doesn't change the fact that you were being pretty hypocritical by saying "yeah let's totally disregard what the owners/creators say, we have to make all the rules for ourselves" after saying "no the owners/creators get the final say, if you disagree you're objectively wrong". You can't have it both ways.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 10:46:13 PM
Check out the monitors in the background--they misspell Weyland's name, same as those leaked storyboards did. ;D And apparently Twitter is still going strong in the future. Ugh.
http://i39.tinypic.com/24zbokw.png
Wait. Does that confirm the authenticity of the leaked story boards then? It would be a very very strange coincidence otherwise.
I know the boards looked shifty, but perhaps it was purposely "leaked" as an earlier attempt in viral marketing, for the fans in that case.
And I find it almost funny how in a new Prometheus video they mention internet and you see some form of Twitter. The series is really getting up to date, isn't it?
Jeah, http://bit.ly/tgwQvj (http://bit.ly/tgwQvj) :laugh:
Prometheus and I have been fighting a bit lately, but the retcon makeup sex was the best ever! ;D
-Chris
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 28, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
And I find it almost funny how in a new Prometheus video they mention internet and you see some form of Twitter. The series is really getting up to date, isn't it?
If the characters in PROMETHEUS start tweeting to each other before going into space, I'll throw my drink at the screen :P
I hope they spend the entire movie tweeting to each other instead of actually ever verbally talking to each other.
It's art! :D
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 08:50:47 PM
QuoteCELEBRATING 50 YEARS OF BUILDING BETTER WORLDS.
I don`t really see the problem. It`s 50 th aniversary of Wayland company. Peter Weyland is clearly not in his 50`s, so company must have been started by someone else. This 'someone' might be C. B. Wayland. Problem solved.
Lol
Twitter's here to stay.
I attended a press gig for Playstation recently who were televising tweets...just encouraged geeks to post a load of sexist crap lol
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Feb 28, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
Twitter's here to stay.
A lot of people said the same thing about Myspace. :P
What's myspace?
I'll just go look it up on lycos I guess
Spoiler
I kid
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 08:50:47 PMI don`t really see the problem. It`s 50 th aniversary of Wayland company. Peter Weyland is clearly not in his 50`s, so company must have been started by someone else. This 'someone' might be C. B. Wayland. Problem solved.
The TED talk is set 50 years in the past from the film's present time, so Peter Weyland's age in the video is irrelevant.
Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, this 2023 TED Talk launched Weyland Corp into the international spotlight. (note the past-tense).
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
-Chris
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Feb 28, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: gooner_no1 on Feb 28, 2012, 08:46:02 PM
Jon Spaihts on Twitter says:
QuoteWe tried not to violate canon wherever possible; but the canon's not completely coherent and in the end story wins.
This is soooo cryptic - he's basically saying the canon as it stands makes no sense, so they're relating to the bits that do and dumping everything else. But what bits? lol
I'd like to think Ridley has scrapped everything post Alien lol...at very least he'll relate to Aliens, but I'd really like to see the Queen concept dumped. I like the creature being more biomechanical and otherworldly rather than being a descendant of our Earths mighty ants ...it needs to be what the original title says - Alien!
If he starts dumping the sequels (no matter what he or other people think of them) it'll just make it seem like Prometheus is in its own little universe with 'Alien', while all the other movies (and 'AvP', etc) are still part of the "main" universe.
Sounds good to me.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2012, 11:10:29 PM
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Feb 28, 2012, 11:06:58 PM
Twitter's here to stay.
A lot of people said the same thing about Myspace. :P
Come on, MySpace never had the relationship Twitter has with industry, finance and news organisations...it's the virtual Reuters feed. MySpace was never worth 10bn + ...industry, politics, finance are all dependent on it. MySpace was only good for tunes and babes lol
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
Fox said nothing about canon, and the canon was blatantly contradicted numerous times in the AvP films
Yeah neither of those statements are accurate.
And whether or not you want to get "into it" with me in this thread, it really doesn't change the fact that you were being pretty hypocritical by saying "yeah let's totally disregard what the owners/creators say, we have to make all the rules for ourselves" after saying "no the owners/creators get the final say, if you disagree you're objectively wrong". You can't have it both ways.
Really? Nice lumping two generalized and inaccurate statements together from unrelated topics to try and prove your point.
The creators get the final say in what a creature is, does anybody think otherwise? They defined what the facehugger was pretty clearly through just about everything we know of it from the films. Fox didn't create the Alien, they are a media corporation. They haven't defined a consistent canon in the Alien, Predator, or AvP universe, leaving things for the fans to clean up, as they boldly try to do.
How are those things related? Other than through the necessity of you trying to label me a hypocrite.
Whenever you're done with the weak accusations, we can stop cluttering this thread with your failure. :laugh:
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 28, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 08:50:47 PMI don`t really see the problem. It`s 50 th aniversary of Wayland company. Peter Weyland is clearly not in his 50`s, so company must have been started by someone else. This 'someone' might be C. B. Wayland. Problem solved.
The TED talk is set 50 years in the past from the film's present time, so Peter Weyland's age in the video is irrelevant.
Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, this 2023 TED Talk launched Weyland Corp into the international spotlight.
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
-Chris
think they talk about this for speculation to wether he is the wheelchair guy. well for me this more interesnting than this canon shity talk
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 28, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 28, 2012, 08:50:47 PMI don`t really see the problem. It`s 50 th aniversary of Wayland company. Peter Weyland is clearly not in his 50`s, so company must have been started by someone else. This 'someone' might be C. B. Wayland. Problem solved.
The TED talk is set 50 years in the past from the film's present time, so Peter Weyland's age in the video is irrelevant.
Considered a seminal moment in the career of our founder Peter Weyland, this 2023 TED Talk launched Weyland Corp into the international spotlight. (note the past-tense).
https://www.weylandindustries.com/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/)
-Chris
I missunderstood, my bad.
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 28, 2012, 10:47:34 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 10:38:46 PM
You guys misunderstand me. I never said that they were look alikes, I just said that they looked and sounded similar enough for their characters to be related.
They don't sound similar at all. Charles doesn't speak with an accent.
Oh oops, you're right; I just meant the appearance, the sound part I guess I put in by accident.
the past is more advanced than the future
wow where have a seen this concept george lucus.
the mention of internet ruins the technological basis that alien had.
the first alien just looks like they discovered alien technology in the 70s, hence the gritty old computers and bizare spaceship designs, now all i can think of is twitter, stupid spirit crushing mainstream shit, and the new star wars movies
feels relayed with avp
i hope this has little to no connection with the actual movie
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 28, 2012, 11:23:50 PMthink they talk about this for speculation to wether he is the wheelchair guy. well for me this more interesnting than this canon shity talk
It's the most logical conclusion IMO. Weyland looks middle aged in the TED video, add 50 years and you would get a pretty decrepit old man. It would also explain why David is referred to as a butler and why there is a shot of him with David and one of the mercenaries kneeling by his side as though he is some kind of space travelling Don Vito Corleone.
There is also the shot of the mercenaries escorting him under guard. Whoever he is, he is important.
Seems pretty obvious when you think on it.
-Chris
What an absolutely mesmerising performance. Very, very convincing and chilling
in it's portentous implication. He sounds much like John Hurt. Please leave this in
the film Messrs Scott and Lindeloff!!
Quote from: tacksoap on Feb 28, 2012, 11:30:52 PM
the past is more advanced than the future
wow where have a seen this concept george lucus.
the mention of internet ruins the technological basis that alien had.
the first alien just looks like they discovered alien technology in the 70s, hence the gritty old computers and bizare spaceship designs, now all i can think of is twitter, stupid spirit crushing mainstream shit, and the new star wars movies
feels relayed with avp
i hope this has little to no connection with the actual movie
Imagine 100 people watch the movie, from those 100 persons 50 are fans of the original Alien, 10 have only seen it once and the other 40 have never seen it.
You put newer tech into the movie, the 40 "newcomers" like it, they've never seen the original movie, the 10 persons can't remember the old computers from the original or don't care and 20 from the hardcore fanbase hate that fact, the other 30 can live with new tech or like it.
So in fact 80% like it or can at least live with it, 20% hate the idea (i guess in reality it would be less)...and now imagine the whole thing with old tech, the newcomers wouldn't understand that and the chance they like something like that in a 2012 movie is pretty low...alltogether the armount of haters would be much greater.
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 28, 2012, 10:53:29 PM
Jeah, http://bit.ly/tgwQvj (http://bit.ly/tgwQvj) :laugh:
Is this the link in that picture? Was struggling to make it out.
I absolutely love the video. Loved Weyland's ending line. Loved Pearce's performance. Starting to get more stoked.
On the displayed website, it isn't neccesarliy clear that the fifty years had passed since his "seminal" 2023 speech. All that is established, is that the video was made in the year 2023...and that Weyland Industries was celebrating 50 years of "Building Better Worlds". One could make a reasonable interpretation that perhaps Weyland Industries was founded some years prior to 2023 ,say, for example 2018.
However, there is something hidden the Source code for the page, which clearly states the following:
QuoteIn the year 2023, the Weyland Corporation's legendary founder Peter Weyland gave one of the most important speeches in mankind's history. Join the Weyland Corporation in celebrating our founder's vision as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of his address to the TED conference.
So the current year is presumedly 2073, as has already been mentioned.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 28, 2012, 10:53:29 PM
Jeah, http://bit.ly/tgwQvj (http://bit.ly/tgwQvj) :laugh:
Is this the link in that picture? Was struggling to make it out.
Yes.
Jeah i had it in Photoshop at the same moment :laugh:
...was hoping for something more terrific though ^^
For the record, I want to say that I view this viral video as canon. The question I have though is that aren't some viral videos for other franchises considered noncanon to the movie series themselves?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
I absolutely love the video. Loved Weyland's ending line. Loved Pearce's performance. Starting to get more stoked.
Yeah, the final line was great. Nice personal text ya got goin' there Hicks. ;)
That Jon Spaihts' twitter quote doesn't sound like he's saying they purposely are changing the canon, rather that the canon is already a mess, and they just wanted to tell a good story. Everybody is putting too much thought into this, as if Ridley and co. are trying to "erase" the AVP movies. They couldn't give a shit.
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 28, 2012, 11:50:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
I absolutely love the video. Loved Weyland's ending line. Loved Pearce's performance. Starting to get more stoked.
Yeah, the final line was great. Nice personal text ya got goin' there Hicks. ;)
Damnit, I was hoping no one else would quote the video for their text. Quick everyone, before the list runs out!
I don't think this is less advanced than anything we've seen in ALIEN.
Quote from: AmazSpiderMan1 on Feb 28, 2012, 11:51:03 PM
That Jon Spaihts' twitter quote doesn't sound like he's saying they purposely are changing the canon, rather that the canon is already a mess, and they just wanted to tell a good story. Everybody is putting too much thought into this, as if Ridley and co. are trying to "erase" the AVP movies. They couldn't give a shit.
I'll drink to this, but beware sir, nothing simple and easy can withstand the analysis capable of happening on the internet.
The depths go well beyond simple overthinking, into a realm of true horror. I abandoned my faith in Occams Razor long ago.
Quote from: AmazSpiderMan1 on Feb 28, 2012, 11:51:03 PMEverybody is putting too much thought into this, as if Ridley and co. are trying to "erase" the AVP movies. They couldn't give a shit.
I disagree. It wouldn't of been that hard to work around the AVP stuff or at least leave it to the side, but they didn't. Instead they have completely
replaced a fundamental character in the AVP timeline.
As far as
Prometheus is concerned, AVP never happened. They are now completely separate universes.
-Chris
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 28, 2012, 10:53:29 PM
Jeah, http://bit.ly/tgwQvj (http://bit.ly/tgwQvj) :laugh:
Is this the link in that picture? Was struggling to make it out.
I absolutely love the video. Loved Weyland's ending line. Loved Pearce's performance. Starting to get more stoked.
Totally agree.
What is Jon Spaihts talking about?.
Quote"We tried not to violate canon wherever possible; but the canon's not completely coherent and in the end story wins."
Is Peter Weyland not even in the movie?, is that what he is trying to say?.
I find it really interesting that they(Peter Weyland) just put it out there, in terms of discussing blatantly the story of Prometheus. It's intriguing to see the myth so obviously. Also...the viral piece was lit like Ridley Scott picture...it may have been a bit low budget but it was beautifully photographed.
Quote from: mastermoon on Feb 29, 2012, 12:22:56 AM
What is Jon Spaihts talking about?.
Quote"We tried not to violate canon wherever possible; but the canon's not completely coherent and in the end story wins."
Is Peter Weyland not even in the movie?, is that what he is trying to say?.
He is in the movie, because Guy Pearce is in the movie.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 29, 2012, 12:24:01 AMI find it really interesting that they(Peter Weyland) just put it out there, in terms of discussing blatantly the story of Prometheus. It's intriguing to see the myth so obviously.
Same here. Now we know who challenges the gods. It couldn't be more clear that human arrogance plays the role of the proverbial Prometheus.
-Chris
Each individual fan can pick and choose what they feel is canon.
I, for one, will not consider Prometheus as canon for the beginning of the Alien saga. I already have the AvP films to serve that need for myself.
It doesn't matter what anyone else says.
Stop hating.
At least one thing is reassuring about this viral video: as much I think Lindelof comes across as a smarmy egotist and as overrated as Lost was, that speech is surprisingly well written. Let's hope the film itself follows suit.
Quote from: tacksoap on Feb 28, 2012, 11:30:52 PM
the past is more advanced than the future
wow where have a seen this concept george lucus.
the mention of internet ruins the technological basis that alien had.
the first alien just looks like they discovered alien technology in the 70s, hence the gritty old computers and bizare spaceship designs, now all i can think of is twitter, stupid spirit crushing mainstream shit, and the new star wars movies
feels relayed with avp
i hope this has little to no connection with the actual movie
feel the same way. would be cool if they force it someways to look pre-alien tech.
i feel the timeline has problems. at 2023 they already send private human missions. in 50 years the prometheus thing happens and in 30 more years the alien. so 80 years to develop this mining industries and send humans to another star when u have at least 5 planets bigger than earth in the same solar system. so from begining everything was wrong so wrong
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:33:06 AM
At least one thing is reassuring about this viral video: as much I think Lindelof comes across as a smarmy egotist and as overrated as Lost was, that speech is surprisingly well written. Let's hope the film itself follows suit.
I agree, but unfortunately speech writing does not equate to good dialogue. But i'm remaining optimistic. :)
I guess Charles Bishop Weyland is not the owner of Weyland, he is just a android like he really should be (Alien 2 and 3) :-\
Btw take a look at this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/)
Strange :S
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 29, 2012, 12:13:18 AM
Quote from: AmazSpiderMan1 on Feb 28, 2012, 11:51:03 PMEverybody is putting too much thought into this, as if Ridley and co. are trying to "erase" the AVP movies. They couldn't give a shit.
I disagree. It wouldn't of been that hard to work around the AVP stuff or at least leave it to the side, but they didn't. Instead they have completely replaced a fundamental character in the AVP timeline.
As far as Prometheus is concerned, AVP never happened. They are now completely separate universes.
-Chris
Anything you do related to Alien will involve the Weyland corporation, be it alone or WY.
The biggest problem I see with trying to be consistent with AvP canon is that the movie had so many other canonical flaws. You're kind of cherry-picking to say "it doesn't fit with AvP Wayland" when nothing else in AvP fits anywhere either. The entire movie was a canon/timeline disaster with no forethought to the consequences.
Why should a serious filmmaker like Ridley Scott make the effort to accommodate the canon of a movie that took no effort to be consistent itself? It would only be further disrespect to the saga, imo.
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:38:26 AM
I guess Charles Bishop Weyland is not the owner of Weyland shou, he is just a android likeld be (Alien 2 and 3) :-\
Btw take a look at this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/)
Strange :S
I don't know what you are exactly pointing out, but IMDB is very behind the times and full of nonsense. According to them, Patrick Wilson is still Charles Weyland (even after he personally said he wasnt) and that Guy Pearce is portraying "Stannison."
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:38:26 AM
I guess Charles Bishop Weyland is not the owner of Weyland, he is just a android like he really should be (Alien 2 and 3) :-\
Btw take a look at this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/)
Strange :S
more imdb rubbish. patrick wilson has already denied it on twitter.
thanks
rich
As intriguing as this Guy Pearce 'Peter Weyland' viral publicity footage was -
I'm pretty sure that most of you will wake up tomorrow morning and in the cold light of day realise what a hokey piece of internet sh!t it truly was.
I hope to Christ that the actual movie has more dignity than this.
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
As intriguing as this Guy Pearce 'Peter Weyland' viral publicity footage was -
I'm pretty sure that most of you will wake up tomorrow morning and in the cold light of day realise what a hokey piece of internet sh!t it truly was.
I hope to Christ that the actual movie has more dignity than this.
As do I. I think we can be sure it does--no way would Ridley allow Pearce to turn in such a half-assed performance as was seen in that video. The whole thing probably was shot in only one day :P
Quotei feel the timeline has problems. at 2023 they already send private human missions. in 50 years the prometheus thing happens and in 30 more years the alien. so 80 years to develop this mining industries and send humans to another star when u have at least 5 planets bigger than earth in the same solar system. so from begining everything was wrong so wrong
The what now?
*sees nothing contradicting the main timeline* Looks good so far. 8)
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
As intriguing as this Guy Pearce 'Peter Weyland' viral publicity footage was -
I'm pretty sure that most of you will wake up tomorrow morning and in the cold light of day realise what a hokey piece of internet sh!t it truly was.
I hope to Christ that the actual movie has more dignity than this.
As do I. I think we can be sure it does--no way would Ridley allow Pearce to turn in such a half-assed performance as was seen in that video. The whole thing probably was shot in only one day :P
dont like it at all. poor arrogance performance. even contradicts with lots of real Ted talkers human sense.
and theres that script about this scene, from like 2 months ago..
well it was Rildey's son. u know an actor isnt the same with diferent directors.
So good. Goddamn, as soon as he said "Peter Weyland" I got all giddy inside. Talks about androids in the future, terraforming the worlds, becoming gods ourselves.
Fackin' hell, I need this movie.
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 29, 2012, 12:54:06 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
As intriguing as this Guy Pearce 'Peter Weyland' viral publicity footage was -
I'm pretty sure that most of you will wake up tomorrow morning and in the cold light of day realise what a hokey piece of internet sh!t it truly was.
I hope to Christ that the actual movie has more dignity than this.
As do I. I think we can be sure it does--no way would Ridley allow Pearce to turn in such a half-assed performance as was seen in that video. The whole thing probably was shot in only one day :P
dont like it at all. poor arrogance performance. even contradicts with lots of real Ted talkers human sense.
and theres that script about this scene, from like 2 months ago..
well it was Rildey's son. u know an actor isnt the same with diferent directors.
But isn't that the point?
As the guys said, Weyland here is a guy with a huge ego. He asked for this huge football field sized stadium, not the usually tiny TED Stadium in California. This is his personality. He has to be confident - Peter Weyland is showing off his company to investors (and if we accept the website as canon - this was the big international debut).
And of course he's no typical TED talker. As an article I read put it, he did something very unusually when he announced that he wanted to change the world.
As for the look of the ad, well...it's an ad! I'm fine with this style, trying to mimic what could be an actual speech happening in the future. All the camera angles seem to be from the floating cameras, nothing too dramatic. All of the drama is captured in Pearce's performance, in my opinion.
This thread is growing faster than a chestbuster. :D Nice to see some new advertising and I take it that AVP just got elbow dropped in the nuts? It sounds like the Space Jockey's clearly over react to humans in Prometheus and likely engineering the alien to wipe humans outs. As a certain rumored script suggests...
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 29, 2012, 12:13:18 AM
Quote from: AmazSpiderMan1 on Feb 28, 2012, 11:51:03 PMEverybody is putting too much thought into this, as if Ridley and co. are trying to "erase" the AVP movies. They couldn't give a shit.
I disagree. It wouldn't of been that hard to work around the AVP stuff or at least leave it to the side, but they didn't. Instead they have completely replaced a fundamental character in the AVP timeline.
As far as Prometheus is concerned, AVP never happened. They are now completely separate universes.
-Chris
What I'm saying is, I doubt they even care to know about the canon in the AVP movies. Do you think any of the creative talent in charge popped in AVP:R and took note that Ms. Yutani existed? I highly doubt it. Infact, Ridley Scott keeps saying this film stands on it's own, with "barely" any connection. You're over-thinking something that Scott has put no thought in himself. He's using Alien as a spring board for an entirely different film, not dwelling or worrying about canon. I'm wondering why he even bothered relating this film to Alien at all. I'm honestly guessing because he kind of promised Fox an Alien prequel, and the idea of creating an original sci-fi film came later.
Let's be honest with ourselves here: whether or not this fits into the Alien series as a whole is up to personal tastes of which films you enjoy. The studio is saying virtually nothing on the matter, so it's wishful thinking this either ignores other Alien films or acknowledges them. It's not like in Halloween H2O, where the film makers were being blunt and saying, "Yes, we are IGNORING Halloween 4-6." You are basing this all on a piece of marketting for the film, and that will mean very little if they don't make any direct continuity statements within the film itself. Statements I doubt they'll make because Ridley Scott doesn't care. He's just trying to make an interesting, thought provoking film. Whether it fits in with the series is inconsequential.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
As do I. I think we can be sure it does--no way would Ridley allow Pearce to turn in such a half-assed performance as was seen in that video. The whole thing probably was shot in only one day :P
What exactly do you see as "half-assed" in Pearce's performance. The context of the scene is of an arrogant CEO consciously giving a prepared speech...not only in front of thousands of audience members, but presumedly to millions of extended viewers.
How exactly would you have "directed" Pearce as to his acting and performance?
I, for one, quite like his performance. I get a sense that he is a charasmatic man with a lot of ambition and hubris to spare. I also get the feeling that he knows what he's talking about and doesn't just think that he can change the world, he knows it. I think that's great. I also think he comes across as a much more interesting take on the Weyland founder than Henrikson in AVP.
I know this was discussed to death a while ago, many people debunked it at the time, including me. But assuming this Peter Weyland video isn't in the movie and purely just viral, COULD there have been any truth in the "Weyland Leaked Speech" scene reported by Prometheus-Movie.com back in November after all??
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40874.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=40874.0)
Youre not the first person to bring this up! The similarities are striking! Not to mention, both this viral video and the leaked speech mispell Weyland as "Wayland" at some point. And of course, the old leaked storyboard said "GUY".
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 29, 2012, 12:38:55 AMWhy should a serious filmmaker like Ridley Scott make the effort to accommodate the canon of a movie that took no effort to be consistent itself?
My point was that they seem to have made an effort to
contradict the canon. Why specifically make Peter the founder of Weyland Corp. other than to rewrite the timeline. He could of just been the company's current firebrand CEO, or as others have suggested, a descendant of previous Weylands. Making him the founder is not really necessary, especially for a character that is only in the movie for a minute or so.
Just my reading of it.
Quote from: AmazSpiderMan1 on Feb 29, 2012, 01:02:14 AM
Let's be honest with ourselves here: whether or not this fits into the Alien series as a whole is up to personal tastes of which films you enjoy.
Agree. A nice bookend.
-Chris
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 01:02:49 AM
What exactly do you see as "half-assed" in Pearce's performance. The context of the scene is of an arrogant CEO consciously giving a prepared speech...not only in front of thousands of audience members, but presumedly to millions of extended viewers.
How exactly would you have "directed" Pearce as to his acting and performance?
It's a weak, hammy performance, full stop. He doesn't sound like he's addressing thousands of people, he sounds like he's acting against a green screen, and his accent is forced and unconvincing. Not necessarily his fault. Green screen acting is hard. Just look at the hideous performances in the STAR WARS prequels from otherwise competent thespians (Natalie Portman and Hayden Plank-a-wood aside).
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 01:02:49 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
As do I. I think we can be sure it does--no way would Ridley allow Pearce to turn in such a half-assed performance as was seen in that video. The whole thing probably was shot in only one day :P
What exactly do you see as "half-assed" in Pearce's performance. The context of the scene is of an arrogant CEO consciously giving a prepared speech...not only in front of thousands of audience members, but presumedly to millions of extended viewers.
How exactly would you have "directed" Pearce as to his acting and performance?
well something more "steve jobs" or "carl sagan". putting a man with good intentions, knowing that the thing he creates became evil.
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 29, 2012, 01:11:36 AM
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 01:02:49 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
As do I. I think we can be sure it does--no way would Ridley allow Pearce to turn in such a half-assed performance as was seen in that video. The whole thing probably was shot in only one day :P
What exactly do you see as "half-assed" in Pearce's performance. The context of the scene is of an arrogant CEO consciously giving a prepared speech...not only in front of thousands of audience members, but presumedly to millions of extended viewers.
How exactly would you have "directed" Pearce as to his acting and performance?
well something more "steve jobs" or "carl sagan". putting a man with good intentions, knowing that the thing he creates became evil.
Why would you assume Weyland is altruistic. If anything, the short speech speaks volumes of his arrogance and hubris, as well as an implicit "the ends justify the means" attitude.
What, exactly, of Carl Sagan's became evil? :laugh:
Having been a fan and member of this site for the best part of 10 years, the place has become infatuated by canon that just does not exist and never will.
I'm going to wait it out and try and enjoy Prometheus fresh I think. Nice short though, I would have liked more shots of the crowd for a personal touch.
QuoteFor those of you who know me...you will be aware by now that my ambition is unlimited. You will know that I will settle for nothing, short of greatness...or I will die trying
Doesn't sound like a Carl Sagan type figure, to me.
Pearce's performance nailed, IMHO, the character we have come to know of the Weyland corporation.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 29, 2012, 01:16:11 AM
What, exactly, of Carl Sagan's became evil? :laugh:
i mean what weyland creates.
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 01:14:45 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 29, 2012, 01:11:36 AM
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 01:02:49 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:46:54 AM
As do I. I think we can be sure it does--no way would Ridley allow Pearce to turn in such a half-assed performance as was seen in that video. The whole thing probably was shot in only one day :P
What exactly do you see as "half-assed" in Pearce's performance. The context of the scene is of an arrogant CEO consciously giving a prepared speech...not only in front of thousands of audience members, but presumedly to millions of extended viewers.
How exactly would you have "directed" Pearce as to his acting and performance?
well something more "steve jobs" or "carl sagan". putting a man with good intentions, knowing that the thing he creates became evil.
Why would you assume Weyland is altruistic. If anything, the short speech speaks volumes of his arrogance and hubris, as well as an implicit "the ends justify the means" attitude.
well it would be more interesting attitude. this arrogance is not appealing when u have something to tell to the world. is not credible at all. apart form Guy performance that i consider it exaggerate.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 29, 2012, 01:16:34 AM
Having been a fan and member of this site for the best part of 10 years, the place has become infatuated by canon that just does not exist and never will.
I'm going to wait it out and try and enjoy Prometheus fresh I think. Nice short though, I would have liked more shots of the crowd for a personal touch.
When you're right, you're right. Getting negatively worked up by fiction, especially fiction devised for entertainment value really does make me feel like a dirty nerd. :P Let people go with what they find most entertaining. That's really the purpose of these films anyway. Well that and making some people rich!
I would agree....this (is it canon or is it not) debate is probably the most boring element of this Prometheus forum. Who gives a shit? It won't change ANYTHING.
next.
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 01:22:36 AMPearce's performance nailed, IMHO, the character we have come to know of the Weyland corporation.
Totally. Good point.
-Chris
Quote from: Highland on Feb 29, 2012, 01:16:34 AM
Having been a fan and member of this site for the best part of 10 years, the place has become infatuated by canon that just does not exist and never will.
I'm going to wait it out and try and enjoy Prometheus fresh I think. Nice short though, I would have liked more shots of the crowd for a personal touch.
What people don't think about is that as time goes on, canon will be less important and forgotten about, especially if you have to look it up on Wikipedia. All the movies in a series will blend together and errors in the timeline will just be disregarded as "goofs". Do people care about the continuity of the original Frankenstein films? There is plenty of continuity errors. Or the Friday the 13th series? I know the standards are different because it's Ridley Scott, but in time - no one will care.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 29, 2012, 01:34:02 AM
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 01:22:36 AMPearce's performance nailed, IMHO, the character we have come to know of the Weyland corporation.
Totally. Good point.
-Chris
i kknow this. pretty obvious. but thats the way u talk to subordinates of ur company, not a general audience. every CEO knows this.. look at Gates hes like a cool guy but at work is terrific..
imagine a Ripley in the audience: "me not working for this arrogant sucker" ;D
dunno matter of tastes.. is done..whatever 8)
Guy Pearce LIKE A BAAAWWWWSSS!!
In the future could Peter Weyland be the "old business man" that they were casting for just before it was announced as being titled Prometheus. Sorry if this has been brought up, I just can't read through the entire thread yet.
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http://www.slashfilm.com/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-titled-paradise-filming-delayed/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/ridley-scotts-alien-prequel-titled-paradise-filming-delayed/)
There's also a character called Vickers, "a 40-something, tough-but-sexy woman," for which Michelle Yeoh is being sought. If you read the spoilerish script details we posted a while back, you might guess, as I do, that this is the Vasquez-like character mentioned there, assuming those details were correct.
Other characters:
Elizabeth Shaw: the main female lead, for which Noomi Rapace remains a front-runner.
An unnamed 'older businessman along for the ride'. Shades of Burke from Aliens?
Engineer 1: a character to be played by a very tall actor who will be repalced by CGI, a la Gollum in Lord of the Rings. Will Doug Jones be hired?
I hope Pearce is indeed playing the old Weyland, and we don't get to see him ham it up too much as his younger self, per today's viral video. Plus, Ridley has a good track record with actors encased in disfiguring makeup or masks (Gary Oldman in Hannibal, Edward Norton in Kingdom of Heaven).
I do hope that Weyland is kept in the background as much as possible, though. This viral vid already goes someway toward spoiling the sinister enigma of the Company, always lurking in the background in the original trilogy. Please, Ridley, don't let this be your Phantom Menace.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 02:02:42 AM
I hope Pearce is indeed playing the old Weyland, and we don't get to see him ham it up too much as his younger self, per today's viral video. Plus, Ridley has a good track record with actors encased in disfiguring makeup or masks (Gary Oldman in Hannibal, Edward Norton in Kingdom of Heaven).
I do hope that Weyland is kept in the background as much as possible, though. This viral vid already goes someway toward spoiling the sinister enigma of the Company, always lurking in the background in the original trilogy. Please, Ridley, don't let this be your Phantom Menace.
Dude, if your expectations are that low from a video this good, your head must have exploded when the SW prequels were being made.
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 01:57:15 AMAn unnamed 'older businessman along for the ride'.
Yet more evidence of Peter Weyland being the guy in the wheelchair. Pretty much a done deal IMHO.
-Chris
did we really forgot how to correctly lit a stadium for camera in the future?
Spoiler
just kidding, that was neat
I'm actually a bit disappointed by this.
Guy Pearce basically did a poor James Mason impression and it's getting heralded as some sort of utopian canon-saving device?
I genuinely felt Lance Henriksen's interpretation was a lot better - more understated and reserved, but better for it. Contrast this with the speech thing he gives aboard the ship. The latter is superior.
And yes, I know this was meant to have been shot separately, but there's no reason to believe this isn't precisely the same performance he's already been filmed doing in the main feature. A change in director won't have massively changed it.
Besides, the text feed in the background even states he's called 'Wayland', for crying out loud! Interpreting something hurriedly flung together for a Web site as 100% new canon? I'm going to wait and see... Nothing counts unless it's on screen in the actual movie, itself, so far as I'm concerned.
And if the feature's half as superficial as this felt, I fear it's going to repeat the same pattern which has been in operation since the late nineties... Namely, that the preceding entry in the series which was universally hated, somehow becomes the preferred choice: After 'Resurrection', people reassessed 'Alien 3' and preferred it. After 'Alien Versus Predator', people revised and felt they liked 'Resurrection' more.
Try not to get your hopes up too high, please. :) There's a very real possibility that what we end up seeing might be so bad that there's a sudden groundswell of responses along the lines of, "Well, on the whole, it had it's flaws, but 'Requiem' was kind of better... Never thought I'd say that."
And if you don't believe me, go back and watch how people reacted to that film. Everyone was so hyped up with excitement and hatred for Anderson. There were entire magazine articles published around the 'at least it's not Anderson' meme. Then, when it came out, everyone decided they liked the first one more.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 11:23:01 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
Fox said nothing about canon, and the canon was blatantly contradicted numerous times in the AvP films
Yeah neither of those statements are accurate.
And whether or not you want to get "into it" with me in this thread, it really doesn't change the fact that you were being pretty hypocritical by saying "yeah let's totally disregard what the owners/creators say, we have to make all the rules for ourselves" after saying "no the owners/creators get the final say, if you disagree you're objectively wrong". You can't have it both ways.
Really? Nice lumping two generalized and inaccurate statements together from unrelated topics to try and prove your point.
The creators get the final say in what a creature is, does anybody think otherwise? They defined what the facehugger was pretty clearly through just about everything we know of it from the films.
It's art and fiction, by definition it's open for interpretation. It's what art
is. It's created so that the audience can absorb it, and no two audience members are going to do that the same way.
Didn't you make a thread about wanting to be a professional writer? And you don't understand the concept of "death of the author" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_the_Author)? ???
Let's do a thought experiment: is Deckard a replicant in 'Blade Runner'? Ridley Scott says yes, everyone else involved in the movie (including Philip K Dick, Harrison Ford, and the screenwriters) say no. The movie is ambiguous and can be interpreted either way.
So what does the "creator" say, exactly? More importantly, who is the creator in this instance? It certainly isn't one single person, movies are a collaborative effort between dozens, hundreds of people.
Furthermore, why should I care about what the creator says anyway? Why is he more "correct" than me? Maybe he's wrong, maybe he's lying, maybe he's changed his mind (as Ridley Scott did regarding Deckard being a replicant, incidentally). Maybe his interpretation is narrow-minded or not well thought out.
The bottom line is when interpreting art, saying "the author is always automatically right" is limiting and often times uninteresting. You can
agree with the author, that's perfectly fine. But saying he's automatically right
because he's the author is false.
QuoteHow are those things related? Other than through the necessity of you trying to label me a hypocrite.
They're related because they're both instances of people of authority making a decision about a work, and in one instance that authority is infallible and in the other it can be disregarded whenever you don't like it. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Saying that FOX hasn't said what is and isn't canon is actually outright false, I've actually done the research to back it up. The fans/audience/whoever can decide what is or isn't canon for themselves and there's nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 28, 2012, 11:47:30 PM
For the record, I want to say that I view this viral video as canon. The question I have though is that aren't some viral videos for other franchises considered noncanon to the movie series themselves?
It happened with the 'Saw' series, there was some early "prequel" stuff about John Kramer's backstory in some viral video stuff that got contradicted by a later Saw sequel.
I'm not that familiar with a lot of other viral marketing off the top of my head. Modern viral marketing is generally pretty well thought out such that it doesn't contradict the movie it's meant to promote, at least not until the sequels hit or something (as was the case with Saw).
Xenomorphine...I just completely disagree! I thought his performance was believable, a bit mysterious and a great beginning on the ride to Prometheus. What did you want exactly?
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 29, 2012, 02:31:57 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 01:57:15 AMAn unnamed 'older businessman along for the ride'.
Yet more evidence of Peter Weyland being the guy in the wheelchair. Pretty much a done deal IMHO.
-Chris
I think Weyland might be the old guy from the screenshot posted below actually. I also just noticed that Shaw is also featured in this scene, behind the old guy. They all seem to be protecting him. It would make sense if it's their founder.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer23.jpg)
I thought this was brilliant! I am eagerly awaiting the enxt piece of viral marketing! ;D
PS: I'd just like to point out the common practice of founding a new company with the same/similar name as the old one for tax purposes. I can only imagine the legal loopholes one must jump through to own a company when their father the owner/founder mysteriously disappears in Antarctica :p
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Feb 29, 2012, 03:15:49 AM
I thought this was brilliant! I am eagerly awaiting the enxt piece of viral marketing! ;D
PS: I'd just like to point out the common practice of founding a new company with the same/similar name as the old one for tax purposes. I can only imagine the legal loopholes one must jump through to own a company when their father the owner/founder mysteriously disappears in Antarctica :p
That's a very good point. In a world with Alien monsters that explode out of your chest, who's to say what a company might do if their actual founder disappeared inside an underground arctic pyramid. A stretch, but I think everyone should have a lighter mood about canological discrepancies.
Considering it wont be in the finished film I wasn't expecting it to be Oscar worthy. Its purely a teaser and a bloody good one at that. At least we officially now know that there is a link to "Alien". That is something to look forward too. As far as this being Ridley Scott's "The Phantom Menace" that could never happen, EVER! Even his last turkey with Russel Crowe could never be as bad as "TPM"
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Feb 29, 2012, 03:15:49 AM
PS: I'd just like to point out the common practice of founding a new company with the same/similar name as the old one for tax purposes. I can only imagine the legal loopholes one must jump through to own a company when their father the owner/founder mysteriously disappears in Antarctica :p
Just curious...
Can you cite an example of a
global corporation that collapsed when the CEO/Founder died, and then somehow was resurrected (under a different name) by their son or grandson...presumedly due to some power struggle with the Board of Directors?
Forget that, can you simply cite an example of a global corporation that either collapsed, or changed it's name due to the death of the CEO/owner/founder?
Hah, this is just a crazy thought, but when Weyland mentioned Prometheus being nailed to a rock, it kinda sparked something in me that they may use that as the ship being somehow grounded/disabled on whatever planet they're on as they're slowly 'pecked' away by whatever possibly god-like opposition they're facing.
Just a thought. ;)
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 29, 2012, 03:45:47 AM
Hah, this is just a crazy thought, but when Weyland mentioned Prometheus being nailed to a rock, it kinda sparked something in me that they may use that as the ship being somehow grounded/disabled on whatever planet they're on as they're slowly 'pecked' away by whatever possibly god-like opposition they're facing.
Just a thought. ;)
Well it seems obvious that Weyland sees the mythical Prometheus as an inspiring figure, and names the ship after the Titan due to the ship's extraordinary mission to seed new life or to discover Man's origins (a while ago it was said that Weyland is bankrolling the Prometheus, and looking at the footage we've seen so far, that seems to be true). He pretty much lays this all out in the video. Interesting to note that Weyland's mother was an "Oxford Educated Professor of Comparative Mythology". We can see where he gets his inspiration from.
Also I'm sure others have probably already made the connection with the restrained titan that got its heart eaten out of its chest.
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Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 29, 2012, 03:58:42 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 29, 2012, 03:45:47 AM
Hah, this is just a crazy thought, but when Weyland mentioned Prometheus being nailed to a rock, it kinda sparked something in me that they may use that as the ship being somehow grounded/disabled on whatever planet they're on as they're slowly 'pecked' away by whatever possibly god-like opposition they're facing.
Just a thought. ;)
Well it seems obvious that Weyland sees the mythical Prometheus as an inspiring figure, and names the ship after the Titan due to the ship's extraordinary mission to seed new life or to discover Man's origins (a while ago it was said that Weyland is bankrolling the Prometheus, and looking at the footage we've seen so far, that seems to be true). He pretty much lays this all out in the video. Interesting to note that Weyland's mother was an "Oxford Educated Professor of Comparative Mythology". We can see where he gets his inspiration from.
Oh, definitely, but I meant mostly the unforeseen things that would be beyond his control, against the crew of the Prometheus much like the wrath of the gods against the Titan; creating the whole irony of indirect re-enactment was the aspect I was going for.
now that we know of guy pearce role as weyland, is the rest of the interview, ridley scott did with this hungarian page, is turning right? like weyland is the only tie-in to alien?
Umm...by way of the Derelict class space ship, the Ampule room that looks like the egg chamber from ALIEN, and, oh yeah, The Space Jockey, I'd say that clearly the ties to ALIEN are larger then just Peter Weyland. :) :);)
Well now, that was a nice change of pace. Actual focus and fixation on the people/a person of a future world instead of the science and 'splosions.
I think that was quite well done, and very enjoyable. Especially considering it is "just" a piece of viral marketing.
Quote from: ikarop on Feb 29, 2012, 03:07:51 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 29, 2012, 02:31:57 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 01:57:15 AMAn unnamed 'older businessman along for the ride'.
Yet more evidence of Peter Weyland being the guy in the wheelchair. Pretty much a done deal IMHO.
-Chris
I think Weyland might be the old guy from the screenshot posted below actually. I also just noticed that Shaw is also featured in this scene, behind the old guy. They all seem to be protecting him. It would make sense if it's their founder.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_20111222_teasertrailer23.jpg)
I have always thought of them as the same guy. Just because he is in a wheelchair doesn't mean he can't walk, just that he needs to sit down a lot, heart problems, dialysis etc. Either way, the mercenaries are protecting him as you say, and David and one of the mercs are kneeling at his side like he is some kind of boss figure. Pretty convinced it is him.
-Chris
well just to bring up another point which i mentioned in another thread a while back....
is charlize therons meredith vickers actually weylands daughter? (different surname due to marriage or something) as in some of her interviews she said she was a rich heiress and company head/rep whos family are paying for the trip......
thanks
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There's still scope, at this point, to maintain that the shift from
Weyland Industries to
Weyland Corporation could be significant enough in terms of scale for a figurehead to maintain that he shaped it into what it was, even if the ground work was laid by a predecessor. Whether or not you're inclined to join those dots is a matter of personal preference, but it certainly isn't objectively impossible with the information we have at the moment.
Will Peter Weyland turn out to be a character taken straight from Orwell's 1984? I'd love this kind of sensibility.
^wouldnt be too hard to make something up to account for the change...
Weyland industries goes the way of the dodo after it's CEO Charles Bishop Weyland dies in AVP...
Peter Weyland picks up the slack and founds the brand spanking new Weyland Corp.
Jon Spaihts wrote on twitter that they tried to respect "canon" while writing the script.. i.e. they tried to respect AVP :P
You decide if that's a good or a bad thing.
not sure if anyone's noticed, but if you share the website on twitter is says "Celebrate the 50th anniversary of Peter Weyland's historic #2023TED speech. Watch it here:" implying that the movie will take place in 2083, which is only 5 years before Alien, not 30.
Quote from: AvatarIII on Feb 29, 2012, 09:38:31 AM
not sure if anyone's noticed, but if you share the website on twitter is says "Celebrate the 50th anniversary of Peter Weyland's historic #2023TED speech. Watch it here:" implying that the movie will take place in 2083, which is only 5 years before Alien, not 30.
Alien takes place 2122.
Also, 2023 + 50 = 2073.
Making it 49 years pre-Alien.
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Feb 29, 2012, 08:23:47 AMis charlize therons meredith vickers actually weylands daughter? (different surname due to marriage or something) as in some of her interviews she said she was a rich heiress and company head/rep whos family are paying for the trip......
I wonder if she'll turn out to be a company representative for Yutani... looking after their investments in the journey... Damon Lindelof wrote that "finding out wich company she's a face for is part of the fun." This could be possible if they were indeed considering Michelle Yeoh for the part.... an asian actress for an asian corporation. :P
Quote from: Blacklabel on Feb 29, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
I wonder if she'll turn out to be a company representative for Yutani... looking after their investments in the journey... Damon Lindelof wrote that "finding out wich company she's a face for is part of the fun." This could be possible if they were indeed considering Michelle Yeoh for the part.... a chinese actress for a chinese corporation. :P
Yutani is Japanese.
ooops. My bad.
Hollywood don't give a shit.
The three Geisha in a film about Geisha were all played by Chinese actresses.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 29, 2012, 09:41:25 AM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Feb 29, 2012, 09:38:31 AM
not sure if anyone's noticed, but if you share the website on twitter is says "Celebrate the 50th anniversary of Peter Weyland's historic #2023TED speech. Watch it here:" implying that the movie will take place in 2083, which is only 5 years before Alien, not 30.
Alien takes place 2122.
Also, 2023 + 50 = 2073.
d'oh mathematical and google fail! I did a google search and the date told me it was 2087 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_year_was_the_film_Alien_set (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_year_was_the_film_Alien_set)
Just in case someone forgot about the leak before xmas:
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/74 (http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/74)
Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2012, 10:16:37 AM
Hollywood don't give a shit.
The three Geisha in a film about Geisha were all played by Chinese actresses.
Let's take it further. Fisher Stevens plays an Indian scientist in Short Circuit. And he's American, without any non-European descent. The funny thing is he embodied all the stereotypical mannerisms of an outsider from India in America.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 29, 2012, 03:01:28 AM
Xenomorphine...I just completely disagree! I thought his performance was believable, a bit mysterious and a great beginning on the ride to Prometheus. What did you want exactly?
Something which
isn't a bad James Mason impression? :)
A bit more understated, like Henriksen's performance, like I said. Although, his gravelly vocals leant a lot to that, there are still a lot of ways of doing it without making him seem so blatantly Machiavellian. Came across like all he was missing was a moustache to twirl and Noomi Rapace roped to some railroad tracks.
I liked the 'indulge me' line, right at the end, but the rest was just
far too over the top. That's what I take issue with - it's making me fear that this might be the level of character portrayal we should expect. Henriksen's Weyland was in line of the kind of portrayal we saw of Burke and the others at the board enquiry. This one feels a lot more superficially polished.
Weirdly, it actually feels like something I'd
expect to see in an Anderson '
Resident Evil' film.
Yes, I know that the earlier advert was epic, but those aren't usually put together by the directors, themselves. This is the first actual acting performance we've seen from anyone involved in it.
Not going to judge the finished product from this, by any means. Just saying it did not impress me in the slightest.
Quote from: hudson300 on Feb 29, 2012, 03:36:33 AM
At least we officially now know that there is a link to "Alien". That is something to look forward too.
That's been known since the project was first announced. ;)
QuoteAs far as this being Ridley Scott's "The Phantom Menace" that could never happen, EVER! Even his last turkey with Russel Crowe could never be as bad as "TPM"
Never underestimate the power of Hollywood arrogance.
Some might recall how a certain Canadian director of dark impressive projects, like the first two '
Terminator' films and '
Aliens', ended up giving us a retelling of the Titanic sinking which was so hopelessly sentimental, it felt like a Steven Spielberg film.
Ridley's made a number of films which, at best, are forgettable. His hit-or-miss ratio is just more fondly remembered for the success than failures, that's all. While he probably won't make something aimed at children, there's no reason to make an assumption it's impossible to be a bad film, either.
I take this speech with a grain of salt. I believe it was specificially made for publicity reasons and would like to keep myself telling that. If this was kind of acting I would see in Prometheus, I wouldn't be impressed either.
I agree about the voice. It should be toned down a notch. Though his mannerisms are actually really terrific if you look at his face intently as he is speaking/not speaking.
I really enjoyed hearing him talk about all the technological advances. Nano machines etc. I'd actually be very happy if this was just a Ridley Scott sci-fi that's heavily about androids/replicants and future technologies.
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 11:11:17 AM
I agree about the voice. It should be toned down a notch. Though his mannerisms are actually really terrific if you look at his face intently as he is speaking/not speaking.
I thought his facial expressions were just as big a problem as his accent/delivery. Just look at the little head move he does after the "We are the gods now!" line.
So much ham. :P
Im still getting that feeling that Lindelof is gonna make this movie bad.
The video is ok but the rest is fake the graphics you can so tell he is just talking to a green screen,
reminds me of the crappy Star Wars movies that uncle George put out a few years ago.
Quote from: Infected on Feb 29, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
Im still getting that feeling that Lindelof is gonna make this movie bad.
The video is ok but the rest is fake the graphics you can so tell he is just talking to a green screen,
reminds me of the crappy Star Wars movies that uncle George put out a few years ago.
It's a viral video. It's not going to have the full on production values of the final movie. Although maybe it should.
A guy on imdb said it best
QuoteF!ck Charles Weyland. Paul Anderson POS AVP does not belong in this Dojo.
Pearce is playing it Gordon Geeko / Richard Branson, and I like it.
Who'd have though a 3 minute viral could be more compelling than 200 combined minutes of AvP rubbish.
I don't think he's hammy, it couldn't be understated in such a big arena. Anyone who prefers the AVP speech needs their heads looking at.
The one line I would have changed is the "we are the Gods now"..."ARE WE the Gods now?" is less egotistical and has more suggestion rather than confirmation, which I think is more interesting. I'd rather the audience thought Weyland believed he was a god, rather than him tell us.
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 29, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
Im still getting that feeling that Lindelof is gonna make this movie bad.
The video is ok but the rest is fake the graphics you can so tell he is just talking to a green screen,
reminds me of the crappy Star Wars movies that uncle George put out a few years ago.
It's a viral video. It's not going to have the full on production values of the final movie. Although maybe it should.
Ok.
But the money and the idea has to come from somewhere.
this doesnt give me the real feel of it like the Alien or Aliens movies did bring. real sets real decors etc.
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Feb 29, 2012, 11:23:09 AM
I don't think he's hammy, it couldn't be understated in such a big arena. Anyone who prefers the AVP speech needs their heads looking at.
The one line I would have changed is the "we are the Gods now"..."ARE WE the Gods now?" is less egotistical and has more suggestion rather than confirmation, which I think is more interesting. I'd rather the audience thought Weyland believed he was a god, rather than him tell us.
Butt hurt AvP fanboys ;D
I don't get some people's reaction around here. Guy Pearce's speech and overall performance is outstanding at the very least, If not epic, given he's playing a man who's supposed to be very arrogant like the high corp. man he is supposed to be.
I'm just really really impressed by that video and by Pearce's performance and the arrogance he's displaying when playing that char. Also, I'm happy not only because avp canon is going to be discarded; chances for some of the most simple Cameron's stuff that has been plaguing the alien lore for two decades and a half to be discarded too are growing high imo, and If so, then this old caveman who was once attracted by the film "Alien" unlike any other film after It will be the happiest person in the world.
This is not going to be a new Cameron's starship troopers film with marines, pulse rifles and arach..., I mean "aliens". Scott is the only one who can put an end to all this once and for all by returning to the genre this franchise should have never left.
Seriously, criticizing pearce's performance (or the char he plays and his attitude) just because some people wanted more of chars like Bishop, Burke, etc, I mean characters that were created by Cameron, not by Scott, is as arrogant as the attitude they are criticizing in the role of Peter Weyland.
Quote from: escroto on Feb 29, 2012, 11:37:45 AM
Seriously, criticizing pearce's performance (or the char he plays and his attitude) just because some people wanted more of chars like Bishop, Burke, etc, I mean characters that were created by Cameron, not by Scott, is as arrogant as the attitude they are criticizing in the role of Peter Weyland.
That's not why a lot of us are criticizing him. His performance is OTT and totally hammy. It plays almost like a
parody of an arrogant businessman. Again, this is probably the fault of Jake Scott for either not reigning him, not giving a crap, or just having no time to do multiple takes. As it stands, the viral vid has some serious camp fumes coming off it. I don't expect the film to share that, but it's a bit worrying.
I agree with all that escroto said. Furthermore, like others have mentioned, this is a viral video, and viral videos should NOT have the same production value as the film itself. I'm sure the budget decisions all have to pass through the same people/offices, so while Scott could maybe have decided to spend more money, that wouldn't be a wise choice when that money could be directed toward the actual film instead. In my opinion, Pearce's performance is what's important here, not the CGI stadium around him. And it would be VERY expensive to have built an actual stage like that, or even to have filled an already existing stadium with extras and shoot it. These are ridiculous expectations for a viral video.
Does anyone remember what we got with the Dark Knight viral campaign? The Gotham Tonight news segments weren't half as entertaining/expensive as what we just got for Prometheus, a movie that probably has a smaller budget overall in comparison.
Quote from: newbeing on Feb 29, 2012, 04:01:45 AM
Also I'm sure others have probably already made the connection with the restrained titan that got its heart eaten out of its chest.
http://application.denofgeek.com/images/m/alien/chestburster_space_jockey.jpg
Just wanted to quote this because that's a really cool point (even if it's sort of reversed, because the Jockey was eaten from the inside out).
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: escroto on Feb 29, 2012, 11:37:45 AM
Seriously, criticizing pearce's performance (or the char he plays and his attitude) just because some people wanted more of chars like Bishop, Burke, etc, I mean characters that were created by Cameron, not by Scott, is as arrogant as the attitude they are criticizing in the role of Peter Weyland.
That's not why a lot of us are criticizing him. His performance is OTT and totally hammy. It plays almost like a parody of an arrogant businessman. Again, this is probably the fault of Jake Scott for either not reigning him, not giving a crap, or just having no time to do multiple takes. As it stands, the viral vid has some serious camp fumes coming off it. I don't expect the film to share that, but it's a bit worrying.
Hahaha your acting like a CEO of a multimillion dollar company shouldn't be self aggrandizing or an ego maniac or for that matter just plain mental, it's all about theatrics on speeches / presentations.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE#)
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:57:27 AM
Hahaha your acting like a CEO of a multimillion dollar company shouldn't be self aggrandizing or an ego maniac or for that matter just plain mental, it's all about theatrics on speeches / presentations.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE#)
No, I'm saying Peter Weyland shouldn't be acting like Joan Crawford by way of Faye Dunaway at a Pepsi Co board meeting. There's scenery chewing, and then there's
scenery chewing. The performance he gives in that viral vid is barely better than the crappy performances in AVP. Don't put on the fanboy-Rose-tinted-glasses.
And good lord, he most definitely should
not be acting like that freak of nature. :-X
Exactamundo - it's a business junket, chaps. He's ever likely to be playing the super dramatic ham bit. It feels right for the character of the public face of an all powerful CEO. Let's reserve judgment for any quieter Pearce moments in the film proper.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:57:27 AM
Hahaha your acting like a CEO of a multimillion dollar company shouldn't be self aggrandizing or an ego maniac or for that matter just plain mental, it's all about theatrics on speeches / presentations.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE#)
No, I'm saying Peter Weyland shouldn't be acting like Joan Crawford by way of Faye Dunaway. There's scenery chewing, and then there's scenery chewing. The performance he gives in that viral vid is barely better than the crappy performances in AVP. Don't put on the fanboy-Rose-tinted-glasses.
And good lord, he most definitely should not be acting like that freak of nature. :-X
You miss my point then, there is nothing unrealistic about his portrayal, real people who are highly egocentric can and do scenery chew, I think it fit in the brief of representing a TED talk, I've watched a few and they are meant to be informative and somewhat theatric, that video just displays how ott real people can be when given a platform ;D
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:57:27 AM
Hahaha your acting like a CEO of a multimillion dollar company shouldn't be self aggrandizing or an ego maniac or for that matter just plain mental, it's all about theatrics on speeches / presentations.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE#)
No, I'm saying Peter Weyland shouldn't be acting like Joan Crawford by way of Faye Dunaway at a Pepsi Co board meeting. There's scenery chewing, and then there's scenery chewing. The performance he gives in that viral vid is barely better than the crappy performances in AVP. Don't put on the fanboy-Rose-tinted-glasses.
And good lord, he most definitely should not be acting like that freak of nature. :-X
You speak as if you know the character of Peter Weyland from pre-existing material. So oh, lord Cvalda, should this newly introduced character act? And it's not as if Pearce's performance is the problem for you, but just the fact that this isn't how
you imagined the founder of Weyland Corp would act.
Yeeep, put 'im in the bitchers bin, boys.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:08:03 PM
You miss my point then, there is nothing unrealistic about his portrayal, real people who are highly egocentric can and do scenery chew, I think it fit in with brief of representing a TED talk, I've watched a few and they are meant to be informative and somewhat theatric, that video just displays how ott real people can be when given a platform ;D
But we don't need that in a frickin' ALIEN movie. Everyone hates the intentional camp in Resurrection, but I guess when it's blatant but unintentional it's okay? Pfft.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:08:03 PM
You miss my point then, there is nothing unrealistic about his portrayal, real people who are highly egocentric can and do scenery chew, I think it fit in with brief of representing a TED talk, I've watched a few and they are meant to be informative and somewhat theatric, that video just displays how ott real people can be when given a platform ;D
But we don't need that in a frickin' ALIEN movie. Everyone hates the intentional camp in Resurrection, but I guess when it's blatant but unintentional it's okay? Pfft.
Fiorina, it's not a movie it's a viral based on a TED talk ;D
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 29, 2012, 12:10:48 PM
You speak as if you know the character of Peter Weyland from pre-existing material. So oh, lord Cvalda, should this newly introduced character act? And it's not as if Pearce's performance is the problem for you, but just the fact that this isn't how you imagined the founder of Weyland Corp would act.
I have no problem with Weyland being an egomaniacal jerkass. I do have a problem with an actor failing miserably at it. It's not the character that's the problem, it's the performance: I don't see how anyone who appreciates good acting could take what Pearce was doing at all seriously. I mean, he even fails miserably with the English accent, and that's just for starters.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:08:03 PM
You miss my point then, there is nothing unrealistic about his portrayal, real people who are highly egocentric can and do scenery chew, I think it fit in with brief of representing a TED talk, I've watched a few and they are meant to be informative and somewhat theatric, that video just displays how ott real people can be when given a platform ;D
But we don't need that in a frickin' ALIEN movie. Everyone hates the intentional camp in Resurrection, but I guess when it's blatant but unintentional it's okay? Pfft.
I think your glasses are fogged up.
There weren't realistic or believable characters in Resurrection, but Peter Weyland here? Hardly a stretch to believe. Ah yes, there can't be eccentric characters in an Alien movie, like there are in reality, because an Alien movie should be 'low-key' and 'monotonous'. First of all, don't get your panties in a knot, this isn't from Prometheus: The Alien Movie. Second of all, open your eyes for Christ's sake, they're not going to cater every part of this production to the isolated and limited tone of Alien; you'd be a fool to believe that. I don't know if you've been keeping track of this movie or not, but it's meant to be a departure from just a standard 'Alien movie'.
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Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 29, 2012, 12:10:48 PM
You speak as if you know the character of Peter Weyland from pre-existing material. So oh, lord Cvalda, should this newly introduced character act? And it's not as if Pearce's performance is the problem for you, but just the fact that this isn't how you imagined the founder of Weyland Corp would act.
I have no problem with Weyland being an egomaniacal jerkass. I do have a problem with an actor failing miserably at it. It's not the character that's the problem, it's the performance: I don't see how anyone who appreciates good acting could take what Pearce was doing at all seriously. I mean, he even fails miserably with the English accent, and that's just for starters.
For a character that was born in Mumbai, and most likely a lives a somewhat transatlantic lifestyle, rediculous criticism.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
For a character that was born in Mumbai, and most likely a lives a somewhat transatlantic lifestyle, rediculous criticism.
The character clearly prides himself on being an Englishman, hence the TS Lawrence namedrop. It's just a bad accent. It's forced, his natural Aussie comes through and steamrolls things left and right, like when Nicole Kidman tries to do any kind of accent--but she manages to pass it off. He doesn't.
But whatever. Clearly I'm in the minority on this.
Project Number something something is correct. Pearce chewed that scenery in the right amount... just hammy enough to be really fun to watch. ;)
Quote from: CyberDemon13 on Feb 28, 2012, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: CyberDemon13 on Feb 28, 2012, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: Glaive on Feb 28, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
Is it just me, or is he using John Hurt's voice inflections?
YES!!! :o
Quote from: SiL on Feb 28, 2012, 09:50:41 PM
Less John Hurt, more Hugo Weaving, methinks.
YES!!! :o
I'm much reminded about the fact he played King Edward VIII in The Kings Speech, so I think there's a bit of Eddie Fox in the mix (Edward Fox played King Edward VIII in "Edward and Mrs Simpson") with his clipped pronunciations especially when he says "put it out" and a number of other phrases and it might be dressed with John Hurts gravelly tones. I suppose Guy gets more Mid-Atlantic though during the course of the speech, maybe I start to think about Tom Skerrit's impression of an English accent on the Alien Quadrilogy commentary. It makes me want to take a look at Sam Neil doing one of his speeches in The Omen 3: The Final Conflict
Here's a clip with Eddie Fox in the series EDWARD AND MRS SIMPSON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9c1Sp19e7s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9c1Sp19e7s#)
I think also this mid-Atlantic wavering is excusable. I'm English myself, hardly have been out of the country but because so much media today being American, its had an affect on me and yesterday a girl from California that I briefly talked to wanted to know which part of America I was from. So I find it excusable in 2023 for whenever the speech is supposed to be
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:27:05 PM
For a character that was born in Mumbai, and most likely a lives a somewhat transatlantic lifestyle, rediculous criticism.
The character clearly prides himself on being an Englishman, hence the TS Lawrence namedrop. It's just a bad accent. It's forced, his natural Aussie comes through and steamrolls things left and right, like when Nicole Kidman tries to do any kind of accent--but she manages to pass it off. He doesn't.
But whatever. Clearly I'm in the minority on this.
I'm Australian and I didn't hear the steamroller smashing things ;D
And again you miss my point, maybe his accent isn't purely British? A ts Lawrence quote and a knighthood might give it a British sway tho.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
I'm Australian and I didn't hear the steamroller smashing things ;D
I'd make a "You got dead ears mate" Russell Crowe joke, but apparently he's a Kiwi and not an Aussie. Who knew :P
Quote from: Blacklabel on Feb 29, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
I wonder if she'll turn out to be a company representative for Yutani... looking after their investments in the journey... Damon Lindelof wrote that "finding out wich company she's a face for is part of the fun." This could be possible if they were indeed considering Michelle Yeoh for the part.... an asian actress for an asian corporation. :P
^THiS! i always thought she might be a "double agent". industry spy, maybe?
and in regards to pearce performance: it may be over the top, but i think the man has something hidden in his pocket, we know only what when seeing this movie. he's in a stadium, with a lot of people and he makes it very clear, that he's the boss and the focus. he quite enjoyed it.
it is still business, what he's doing and he just perform his speech as this egomaniac would do to convince people joining his "new world order"; bit polemic, i know. even when you work in a call-center, trying to sell some provider-related offers, than you have to be somekind over the top, to convince people.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:35:21 PM
I'm Australian and I didn't hear the steamroller smashing things ;D
I'd make a "You got dead ears mate" Russell Crowe joke, but apparently he's a Kiwi and not an Aussie. Who knew :P
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Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
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Just don't throw your cigarette at me when I tell you your English accent in
Robin Hood was crap. :P
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:47:14 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
My name is Pn2501, commander of the Armies of the Rec board, General of the Cancer Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Aeus. User to a murdered Chat room, Owner to a murdered post count. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next. ;D
Just don't throw your cigarette at me when I tell you your English accent in Robin Hood was crap. :P
I love it, it's the ultimate insult to the English. :P
saying Pearce's performance isn't good because he is not using british accent made me lol hard.
Quote from: escroto on Feb 29, 2012, 12:52:38 PM
saying Pearce's performance isn't good because he is not using a british accent made me lol'd hard.
He
is using an English accent. It's just a
bad one. And that's not even the worst part of the performance.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: escroto on Feb 29, 2012, 12:52:38 PM
saying Pearce's performance isn't good because he is not using a british accent made me lol'd hard.
He is using an English accent. It's just a bad one. And that's not even the worst part of the performance.
It's better than Tom Skerrit's at least
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:53:56 PMHe is using an English accent. It's just a bad one. And that's not even the worst part of the performance.
and?, not an english speaker myself but..., man, with all due respect, you are bordering on ridiculousness already.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 29, 2012, 12:55:59 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:53:56 PM
Quote from: escroto on Feb 29, 2012, 12:52:38 PM
saying Pearce's performance isn't good because he is not using a british accent made me lol'd hard.
He is using an English accent. It's just a bad one. And that's not even the worst part of the performance.
It's better than Tom Skerrit's at least
Hahahaha.
Look guys, c'mon, it's a little hammy but it's not a HUGE deal. Now lets all hug and get along.
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
Look guys, c'mon, it's a little hammy but it's not a HUGE deal. Now lets all hug and get along.
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It's still scary. XENOHUG.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
Look guys, c'mon, it's a little hammy but it's not a HUGE deal. Now lets all hug and get along.
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I like it - as viral marketing clip, for the movie it would be a no-go.
I hope they hire Scott's son for C&C Generals 2 cut scenes :laugh:
Voice was a bit hammy, didn't like the editing one bit. That kind of editing would ruin the movie for me no matter how good the ideas are.
Well, I'm doing my best to warm to the crassness of the future but it makes me look idiotic
It's a f**kin' VIRAL VIDEO. Holy shit, guys. Prometheus will have nearly an entire different crew on it. Director, editor, grip. Geez.
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 01:14:19 PM
Voice was a bit hammy, didn't like the editing one bit. That kind of editing would ruin the movie for me no matter how good the ideas are.
i like the video a lot ;D but i have to agree with you on the editing. after a couple of rewatches *couch* 20 *couch*. I noticed the editing was a bit off at some points.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 29, 2012, 01:21:44 PM
It's a f**kin' VIRAL VIDEO. Holy shit, guys. Prometheus will have nearly an entire different crew on it. Director, editor, grip. Geez.
Well, is that all it is, I thought that they're supposed to be selling us movie
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 29, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 29, 2012, 01:21:44 PM
It's a f**kin' VIRAL VIDEO. Holy shit, guys. Prometheus will have nearly an entire different crew on it. Director, editor, grip. Geez.
Well, is that all it is, well I thought that they're supposed to be selling us movie
If you need a viral video to sell you on this movie, and you're a member on this site, then, well, there is something wrong with you.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 29, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 29, 2012, 01:21:44 PM
It's a f**kin' VIRAL VIDEO. Holy shit, guys. Prometheus will have nearly an entire different crew on it. Director, editor, grip. Geez.
Well, is that all it is, I thought that they're supposed to be selling us movie
Quit trying to act staunch. They had your money from day one and you know it.
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 29, 2012, 01:28:49 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 29, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: Prime113 on Feb 29, 2012, 01:21:44 PM
It's a f**kin' VIRAL VIDEO. Holy shit, guys. Prometheus will have nearly an entire different crew on it. Director, editor, grip. Geez.
Well, is that all it is, well I thought that they're supposed to be selling us movie
If you need a viral video to sell you on this movie, and you're a member on this site, then, well, there is something wrong with you.
I'm talking about us as a whole world of cinema audience participators, and the objective of this viral video is to get people interested in the movie rather than just the people on the AVPGalaxy site
At the moment, the only thing really interesting to me about the movie is that it's a Ridley Scott movie, Noomi Rapace is in it and there are some attempts at creating the biomechanic look in it.
So far, I'm assuming that it will be as good as Robin Hood, at least I saw it in the cinema.
We... are the gods now.
Chilling.
So... Guy Pearce, an Englishman, has a rubbish English accent?
Interesting....
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 29, 2012, 01:53:35 PM
We... are the gods now.
Chilling.
Damn straight.
Not a single shit was given by Jesus.
Well he said "we" but what he really wanted to say was "I" ;)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 29, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
So... Guy Pearce, an Englishman, has a rubbish English accent?
Interesting....
Someone who who has lived in Australia since the age of three isn't going to have any natural English accent.
Gosh, well maybe he's just British and that's about it. He's supposed to have been born in Mumbai/ Bombay
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 29, 2012, 02:39:01 PM
Well he said "we" but what he really wanted to say was "I" ;)
obviously. :)
there's something in his eyes, that tells me that his agenda is more devilish than righteous.
Quote from: Kol on Feb 29, 2012, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 29, 2012, 02:39:01 PM
Well he said "we" but what he really wanted to say was "I" ;)
obviously. :)
there's something in his eyes, that tells me that his agenda is more devilish than righteous.
Maybe that's probably why it makes me want to go back and watch Sam Neil doing his speeches back in The Omen III: the Final Conflict
Meh. This video did almost nothing for me. It's just a man standing on a plattform and speaking about technological progress. You can put this in any other sci-fi story and it would work just the same. Pearce really overacted this piece and became a cheap caricature of an evil businessman. I liked the Weyland logo and that's about it. But that's me because viral stuff never really excites me much.
Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 29, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
So... Guy Pearce, an Englishman, has a rubbish English accent?
Interesting....
Someone who who has lived in Australia since the age of three isn't going to have any natural English accent.
Ah, just saw that on the Wikipedia page.
But that aside, the criticisms are ridiculous. Like others have said, he (Peter Weyland) was born in Mumbai, and probably spends a lot of time in America. He's not going to have a 'true' English accent, whatever the hell that is.
And the hammy acting worked in this context, I thought. Why? Because he's speaking to a stadium full of people. You exaggerate all of your motions, your inflections, everything, when you speak on a stage to a large group, and this looked like a pretty goddamn large group.
Just remember Hitler ;)
Imagine something like that with a Weyland flag in the background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9S1Hk975U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh9S1Hk975U#)
...or we expected something more like this:
:laugh: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3sU8NPCYmc#ws%5B/url)
i would love to see a parody of this vid. ;D
anyway: has someone the whole text of weyland's speech? i would like to speak it in front of my mirror, just to know if i have a god-complex, too. ;)
Maybe he should have spoken like Freddy Mercury instead, he was educated in India
Something posted on another forum:
"f*ck sake he might as a well be wearing a black cloak and going "mwah hah hah hah"
Perhaps it might have been ideal for Paul Verhoeven film
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 29, 2012, 02:57:50 PM
Perhaps it might have been ideal for Paul Verhoeven film
Would you like to know more?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 29, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 29, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
So... Guy Pearce, an Englishman, has a rubbish English accent?
Interesting....
Someone who who has lived in Australia since the age of three isn't going to have any natural English accent.
Ah, just saw that on the Wikipedia page.
But that aside, the criticisms are ridiculous. Like others have said, he (Peter Weyland) was born in Mumbai, and probably spends a lot of time in America. He's not going to have a 'true' English accent, whatever the hell that is.
And the hammy acting worked in this context, I thought. Why? Because he's speaking to a stadium full of people. You exaggerate all of your motions, your inflections, everything, when you speak on a stage to a large group, and this looked like a pretty goddamn large group.
Yep.
The performance was perfect for what it is. If Pearce was in the whole film and acted lke this all the time, then criticisms might be valid - but as it stands, they're not.
Ok, so attempting to get back on track about what this means for the film.
I'm thinking the "I'm only in the movie for about a minute" thing might be a load of BS. Mostly due to the "old businessman" casting call and the weird/old looking guy in the trailer.
Maybe Pearce isn't playing his older self?
...he is playing it:
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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 29, 2012, 02:59:20 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 29, 2012, 02:57:50 PM
Perhaps it might have been ideal for Paul Verhoeven film
Would you like to know more?
Well, I thought the way his scifi films often have these these odd little adverts and videos in them amused me
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 29, 2012, 02:59:20 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Feb 29, 2012, 02:57:50 PM
Perhaps it might have been ideal for Paul Verhoeven film
Would you like to know more?
You made me smile, OZ.
I simply love the Weyland speech. Anyone noticed the disgusting sweat under the gell hardened hair?
Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2012, 03:00:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 29, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 29, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
So... Guy Pearce, an Englishman, has a rubbish English accent?
Interesting....
Someone who who has lived in Australia since the age of three isn't going to have any natural English accent.
Ah, just saw that on the Wikipedia page.
But that aside, the criticisms are ridiculous. Like others have said, he (Peter Weyland) was born in Mumbai, and probably spends a lot of time in America. He's not going to have a 'true' English accent, whatever the hell that is.
And the hammy acting worked in this context, I thought. Why? Because he's speaking to a stadium full of people. You exaggerate all of your motions, your inflections, everything, when you speak on a stage to a large group, and this looked like a pretty goddamn large group.
Yep.
The performance was perfect for what it is. If Pearce was in the whole film and acted lke this all the time, then criticisms might be valid - but as it stands, they're not.
I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but Guy Pearce was invoking
John Hurt that whole time. Maybe it was that time he spent with him during the filming of The Proposition. Nice touch.
Loved the speech. Great way to set a character up and tell a lot about his personality and drive in a little over a minute. Most films fumble for an hour before a character becomes clear (if ever.) Great, classy viral marketing.
To those who are complaining about Pearce's accent... are any of you even British? I am and the accent seemed fine to me. If you want to hear a truly dire attempt at an English accent, then go and watch any number of American films (e.g. Dick Van Dyke in 'Mary Poppins') or sitcoms (e.g. Daphne and her brothers' "Manchester" accents in 'Frasier').
Watched it a few more times just to lend an ear to the scrutiny, and to wet myself again.
I've never seen a TED talk, but from the speech in the video, it's obvious that it would be connected to a larger presentation of some kind, maybe the opening for a video or a longer discussion about a more specific topic.
His acting was a little hammy at parts, but I don't understand how people can critique acting in such a way when there are lots people that act this way in real life. I've met CEO's and businessmen, and some of them have a sort of movie bravado about them, a swagger and arrogance that almost seems cheesy, but that's how they actually act.
You get used to being confident. Lots of people in business are like this. Pearce is acting like an orator, and I see a nice blend between college professor and silver-tongued executive. I think that people just don't like the character he portrayed, which is fine, but don't try and attack his acting over a matter of personal taste.
The direction and camera work are a little jumpy at times, but to me this just seems to come from little Scott being new at directing.
After the shock has worn off, I'm still in love with it all. So very bloody excited for this film and the effort they take to release things like this... Why, back in my day there was no viral marketing! You either caught a trailer, bought Fangoria, or you were SOL until the film was released. It really is cool that we have things like this today.
I haven't posted yet out of shock. Actually, I still can't.
Anyone else clocked the 'traitor' shout after he announces his name at around 2.49?
Pearce's performance is as hammy as John Boehner's performance in Congress. These politicians and corporate CEOs are nearly note perfect next to Pearce's Peter Weyland . This shouldn't be an issue. Weyland measures up perfectly next to his real world counterparts. He may even be a bit less arrogant.
Why is 2023 the year of our lord?
He says "we are 3 months into the year of our lord"? WHat does that mean?
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 05:10:50 PM
Why is 2023 the year of our lord?
He says "we are 3 months into the year of our lord"? WHat does that mean?
2023 AD, AD =
Anno Domini, meaning
in the year of our Lord.
It's just a saying. Every year is the 'year of our lord'. He's just playing it up.
For some reason this reminds me of Edward Fox in A Bridge Too Far. No idea why...
Works well with the entire Prometheus god theme, I think. :o
I see what he did there...
Anyone still not think this Alien related?
Quote from: howardvegas on Feb 29, 2012, 05:23:41 PM
For some reason this reminds me of Edward Fox in A Bridge Too Far. No idea why...
I've been saying Edward Fox since I first saw it too. His pronunciations when English, sound very much Eddie Fox styled, of course coated in John Hurt gravelly tones
The stage set from the viral vid reminded me very much of U2's 360° setup (if you remove or ignore "The Claw" part of it).
Circular stage, audience on all sides, and wrap-around video screens above the stage itself. All very familiar, I reckon. I might be wrong about what influenced the design of the stage/arena, but I'm not familiar with any other show using a setup like this? Please feel free to correct me if there's someone else using it...
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 29, 2012, 05:10:50 PMWhy is 2023 the year of our lord?
He says "we are 3 months into the year of our lord"? WHat does that mean?
He's playing with the terms, implying the decade of the century (25 years, well, it's almost 25, 'cause it's 2023 year, when the speech goes) to be a allegorical comparison to year's decade (3 months).
Well, now that we are all get pretty convinced Peter Weyland is going to be the one who will open Pandora's box (attaining investment and sending ships on the risky journey), is there any chance that in the end he will turn out to be earnest scientist with pure good intentions for mankind and somebody else will be portrayed as antagonist in the film? Like all those pompous self-introducing is just here to make a red herring character of Weyland? ;)
And I have a little request, if somebody here remebers the speech, will you look through my transcription (owner of Russian Prometheus-dedicated blog is up to re-present the video with subtitles, I'm sort of helping him out with this...)? Thanks in advance! :)
EDIT: some needless stuff has been there, wiped it out lest turn this thread into something irrelevant to the topic ...
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 29, 2012, 06:21:02 PM
One hundred thousand BC. Stone tooth.
Quite the invention, that stone tooth :P
as an eagle ripped through his belly
as an eagle ripped through his belly
AS AN EAGLE RIPPED THROUGH HIS BELLY
Spoiler
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For those of you not familiar with subtext
Spoiler
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For those of you with a sense of humor
Second pic is win :laugh:
Oh! Thanks guys, the request is already redundant, found the text here: http://blog.ted.com/ted2023/comment-page-2/#comments (http://blog.ted.com/ted2023/comment-page-2/#comments)
Thanks again! :)
Oh wow...
I haven't really been actually into this movie for some time but thanks to just the overall tone and cinematography of that speech, coupled with one of my favorite actors, im blown away...
Bat Chain has to stop in to refresh his love affair with the entire site. :laugh:
Brilliant observation, my man.
You whore, you. I'm going to remember when you finally slip up and say the wrong thing. Oh yes.
Hey Money. Welcome to the rest of the forum outside of TDKR thread, lol.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 29, 2012, 08:09:30 PM
Bat Chain has to stop in to refresh his love affair with the entire site. :laugh:
F5
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 29, 2012, 08:09:30 PM
Brilliant observation, my man.
I'm sure I can't be the first. It's really been obvious since the title was released. But hearing his Guy's words coming at me through those speakers through that John Hurt filter of a voice ... it just clicked. So many windows just aligned. And I ... I geeked. I lost it.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 29, 2012, 08:09:30 PM
You whore, you. I'm going to remember when you finally slip up and say the wrong thing. Oh yes.
Sometimes the wrong thing is just what the situation calls for. 8)
hmm, i dont get why people are complaining about guy pearces english accent, its fine, im english as my name says and there are plenty of rich and posh execs etc that speak just like him.
thanks
rich
His accent sounds perfectly fine to me too.
This. This is how you start a viral marketing campaign. ARRG THIS IS SO AWESOME! You get to instantly know what Peter Weyland is like in one scene, and that this is indeed part of the Alien universe.
I must be crazy....that Giant Head is identical to Peter Weyland´s face. :o
Guy Pearce did a spot on impression of John Hurt's dialect and inflections.
He also does a spot on, neutral American accent. He is a dialect chameleon.
Incidentally...and I don't see it mentioned so far, Guy Pearce's normal accent is a very pronounced South-Eastern Australian (Melbourne).
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
Guy Pearce did a spot on impression of John Hurt's dialect and inflections.
He also does a spot on, neutral American accent. He is a dialect chameleon.
Incidentally...and I don't see it mentioned so far, Guy Pearce's normal accent is a very pronounced South-Eastern Australian (Melbourne).
I didnt know there was a name for our accent in melbourne, he is quite well spoken though.
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
Guy Pearce did a spot on impression of John Hurt's dialect and inflections.
He also does a spot on, neutral American accent. He is a dialect chameleon.
Incidentally...and I don't see it mentioned so far, Guy Pearce's normal accent is a very pronounced South-Eastern Australian (Melbourne).
Otherwise known as the 'Ramsey Street Accent'...
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
Guy Pearce did a spot on impression of John Hurt's dialect and inflections.
He also does a spot on, neutral American accent. He is a dialect chameleon.
Incidentally...and I don't see it mentioned so far, Guy Pearce's normal accent is a very pronounced South-Eastern Australian (Melbourne).
I didnt know there was a name for our accent in melbourne, he is quite well spoken though.
Well, I would guess that you can tell the difference between a person from Melbourne and a person from Perth...yes???
I mean, I am from Western Massachussetts (Springfield), but our accent is TOTALLY different from people who grew up in Boston, which is only 90 miles (145 kilometers) apart.
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 10:28:11 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
Guy Pearce did a spot on impression of John Hurt's dialect and inflections.
He also does a spot on, neutral American accent. He is a dialect chameleon.
Incidentally...and I don't see it mentioned so far, Guy Pearce's normal accent is a very pronounced South-Eastern Australian (Melbourne).
I didnt know there was a name for our accent in melbourne, he is quite well spoken though.
Well, I would guess that you can tell the difference between a person from Melbourne and a person from Perth...yes???
I mean, I am from Western Massachussetts (Springfield), but our accent is TOTALLY different from people who grew up in Boston, which is only 90 miles (145 kilometers) apart.
Not really maybe in the form of localised colloquialisms, Australians generally seem to have two accents, city and country, the smaller the city the more country people sound, yes Adelaide im talking about you ;)
Quote from: Dirty Harry on Feb 29, 2012, 09:37:19 PM
I must be crazy....that Giant Head is identical to Peter Weyland´s face. :o
I was thinking this too. The head looks a lot like guy pierce.
Quote from: DaveT937 on Feb 29, 2012, 04:51:13 PM
Anyone else clocked the 'traitor' shout after he announces his name at around 2.49?
Oh yeah.
Love this. Sets up the scenario briliantly. Can't see what anyone's got to complain about in the performance.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 10:48:50 PM
Not really maybe in the form of localised colloquialisms, Australians generally seem to have two accents, city and country, the smaller the city the more country people sound, yes Adelaide im talking about you ;)
That is quite interesting, actually. It is strange how some country's can have such a diverse set of accents/collquialisms/dialects, despite (in many cases), very marginal geographic separation...while other country's do not.
Obviously, I can only compare English speaking countries, as I only speak English. For me, there is a HUGE variety of accents/dialects within the USA, Canada and especially the Great Britain (being comparitively so small)...while the vast Continent of Australia is relatively speaking, homogeneous. Perhaps that is due to the localized concentrations of people (density) on the Continent, versus being more diffuse and spread out, as compared to the USA, Canada and Great Britain??
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
Guy Pearce did a spot on impression of John Hurt's dialect and inflections.
He also does a spot on, neutral American accent. He is a dialect chameleon.
Incidentally...and I don't see it mentioned so far, Guy Pearce's normal accent is a very pronounced South-Eastern Australian (Melbourne).
I didnt know there was a name for our accent in melbourne, he is quite well spoken though.
We have an accent!? Holy f**k. ;D
Pretty stoked that the guy who formed Weyland Industries, retconned AVP to the pits of hell where it belongs and
owns the god-damned Nostromo is played by a Melbournian.
Geek spasm over.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 29, 2012, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: deuterium on Feb 29, 2012, 09:48:04 PM
Guy Pearce did a spot on impression of John Hurt's dialect and inflections.
He also does a spot on, neutral American accent. He is a dialect chameleon.
Incidentally...and I don't see it mentioned so far, Guy Pearce's normal accent is a very pronounced South-Eastern Australian (Melbourne).
I didnt know there was a name for our accent in melbourne, he is quite well spoken though.
We have an accent!? Holy f**k. ;D
Pretty stoked that the guy who formed Weyland Industries, retconned AVP to the pits of hell where it belongs and owns the god-damned Nostromo is played by a Melbournian.
Geek spasm over.
-Chris
i didnt know you were a fellow Melbournian, looks like ill see you at the Premier ; )
That line in the movie Snatch sums up the poms.
Bullet Tooth Tony: A bookies got blagged last night.
Avi: Blagged? Speak English to me, Tony. I thought this country
spawned the f**king language, and so far nobody seems to speak it.
QuoteWe have an accent!? Holy f**k.
Yep. I've not noticed any real difference between us and Perth (beyond location specific slang), but as PN said, South Australians are are easy to spot with their pronunciation of words like 'castle' as 'cah-sel', rather than 'cass-el' like we say it.
Sydney and Melbourne are much the same, but Queenslanders can be also easy to spot.
QuoteHe is using an English accent. It's just a bad one. And that's not even the worst part of the performance.
What does an 'English' accent sound like exactly?
Little late to the part, but this is great news. I like the idea of the alien series being kind of its own animal and AVP movies being a spinoff. I thought AVP was watchable (and pretty good within its first 40 minutes), but I prefer it (and Resurrection) to be a separate franchise, an EU, like comic books. For example, I love many of the Dark Horse Alien stories, but I dont want them to be canon continuations, just a separate universe
Also its good to see Ridley is linking to Aliens, although not surprising since throughout the years he expressed that he was pleased with it (along with Obannon, Rawlings and others). As a side note, he did mention once that he likes Alien 3 as well
Anyway - cool news!
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:39:55 PMi didnt know you were a fellow Melbournian, looks like ill see you at the Premier ; )
Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2012, 11:54:15 PMYep. I've not noticed any real difference between us and Perth
Righto, just subscribed so I can buy me an AVPGalaxy t-shirt. See you guys at the premiere!
-Chris
"Building better worlds..." I doubt it's their current motto, and instead probably just put in the website as a general statement. It would be a little weird for the Weyland Corp to carry their slogan into Weyland-Yutani, otherwise, wouldn't it?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Mar 01, 2012, 12:10:58 AM
"Building better worlds..." I doubt it's their current motto, and instead probably just put in the website as a general statement. It would be a little weird for the Weyland Corp to carry their slogan into Weyland-Yutani, otherwise, wouldn't it?
Depends if after the merger the company thinks that the current branding works or not. They wouldn't
have to re-brand themselves from a simple name change.
-Chris
If the slogan was synonymous with Weyland and was popular, there's no reason they wouldn't keep it.
Obviously 'Fly The Friendly Skies' survived in the public consciousness till 2179.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 01, 2012, 12:08:04 AM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Feb 29, 2012, 11:39:55 PMi didnt know you were a fellow Melbournian, looks like ill see you at the Premier ; )
Quote from: SM on Feb 29, 2012, 11:54:15 PMYep. I've not noticed any real difference between us and Perth
Righto, just subscribed so I can buy me an AVPGalaxy t-shirt. See you guys at the premiere!
-Chris
just look for these ;)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aliens-Sigourney-Weaver-Sneakers-Weyland-Yutani-100-AUTH-Ripley-Shoes-Reebok-S-/150734846086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23187f3886#ht_4245wt_1039 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aliens-Sigourney-Weaver-Sneakers-Weyland-Yutani-100-AUTH-Ripley-Shoes-Reebok-S-/150734846086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23187f3886#ht_4245wt_1039)
I could be wrong, but from memory her trainers looked f**k all like that, did they?
they didnt have the weyland yutani on them thats about it slight differences.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 12:30:24 AMI could be wrong, but from memory her trainers looked f**k all like that, did they?
They kinda did in
Aliens.
-Chris
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
I could be wrong, but from memory her trainers looked f**k all like that, did they?
No, you're not wrong.
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Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
I could be wrong, but from memory her trainers looked f**k all like that, did they?
No, you're not wrong.
http://www.counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/reebok_alien_stomper.jpg
That's what I thought. $500 is a bit steep for props that were never props then :laugh:
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Mar 01, 2012, 12:36:38 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Feb 29, 2012, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Feb 29, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
...the poms....
Way to make the f**king list, bro.
That offends you? :o
Only because I don't understand what it means.
Spoiler
I'm joking :laugh:
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 12:42:38 AMThat's what I thought. $500 is a bit steep for props that were never props then :laugh:
But they're
space-boots! ;D
-Chris
So Prometheus is like them new Stark Trek films that take place in another dimension?
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
I could be wrong, but from memory her trainers looked f**k all like that, did they?
No, you're not wrong.
http://www.counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/reebok_alien_stomper.jpg
They look like boots for BMX...what Ripley has on.
As for the vid...There is a part where he says "We are now the gods". Could we flip it all around and turn it into "Something" gets stolen from us? We are all going the angle that we take something from them (SJ). Maybe they do the dirty on us instead.
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
I could be wrong, but from memory her trainers looked f**k all like that, did they?
No, you're not wrong.
http://www.counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/reebok_alien_stomper.jpg
closest you're gonna get, i'd buy em but they arent in my size :(
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Mar 01, 2012, 12:53:44 AM
So Prometheus is like them new Stark Trek films that take place in another dimension?
I don't think Star Trek took place in another dimension. ???
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 01, 2012, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Mar 01, 2012, 12:53:44 AM
So Prometheus is like them new Stark Trek films that take place in another dimension?
I don't think Star Trek took place in another dimension. ???
It did, they time traveled back to another dimension.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Mar 01, 2012, 12:53:44 AM
So Prometheus is like them new Stark Trek films that take place in another dimension?
Well have a look:
http://leckerhamster.deviantart.com/art/Prometheus-270467841 (http://leckerhamster.deviantart.com/art/Prometheus-270467841)
I always told ya...
::)
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Mar 01, 2012, 04:07:22 AM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Mar 01, 2012, 12:53:44 AM
So Prometheus is like them new Stark Trek films that take place in another dimension?
Well have a look:
http://leckerhamster.deviantart.com/art/Prometheus-270467841 (http://leckerhamster.deviantart.com/art/Prometheus-270467841)
I always told ya...
::)
LOL...classic!! ;D
Quote from: Never say no to Panda! on Mar 01, 2012, 04:07:22 AM
Well have a look:
http://leckerhamster.deviantart.com/art/Prometheus-270467841 (http://leckerhamster.deviantart.com/art/Prometheus-270467841)
I always told ya...
::)
I could watch Sigourney in that outfit all day long.
-Chris
AVP fan-wanking time! So Charles Bishop Weyland was Peter's father, before getting a divorce and becoming more distant. After the good android model's/s' death, Weyland Industries stocks fall dramatically. But the company's remains are saved by Peter, who merges them into a brand new company, the Weyland Corp, which turns to focus on more advanced technologies including android replication. BAM!
...sigh...but I like AVP...and even with its flaws, it has to be said that Charles Bishop Weyland was a very cool angle, with a great performance by Henriksen. Oh, well...I'm sure Predxeno will be able to figure it out....
Oh yeah, and very cool TED talk! The larger stage and emphasis on the people/company behind the Talks implies a more impersonal and corporate-dominated future, where companies/individuals have a bigger part to play in the Talks and in promoting themselves in them. I suppose every organization sells out eventually....
And I am really, really excited for this movie.
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 12:30:24 AM
I could be wrong, but from memory her trainers looked f**k all like that, did they?
No, you're not wrong.
http://www.counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/reebok_alien_stomper.jpg
i dont think those are the same as what she wears in the film either are they? theyre just some modern reeboks made to look similar to the originals that theyve been selling recently, also in blue, red and other colours!. lol
http://shop.reebok.com/SE/product?modelId=PQ069&articleId=V64017 (http://shop.reebok.com/SE/product?modelId=PQ069&articleId=V64017)
thanks
rich
QuoteBut the company's remains are saved by Peter, who merges them into a brand new company, the Weyland Corp
While he's in primary school?
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Mar 01, 2012, 07:06:47 AM
AVP fan-wanking time! So Charles Bishop Weyland was Peter's father, before getting a divorce and becoming more distant. After the good android model's/s' death, Weyland Industries stocks fall dramatically. But the company's remains are saved by Peter, who merges them into a brand new company, the Weyland Corp, which turns to focus on more advanced technologies including android replication. BAM!
Oh dear. :laugh:
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Mar 01, 2012, 07:06:47 AMSo Charles Bishop Weyland was Peter's father, before getting a divorce and becoming more distant... But the company's remains are saved by Peter, who merges them into a brand new company, the Weyland Corp, which turns to focus on more advanced technologies including android replication...
Hokey. :laugh:
-Chris
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Mar 01, 2012, 07:06:47 AM
AVP fan-wanking time! So Charles Bishop Weyland was Peter's father, before getting a divorce and becoming more distant.
Spoiler
Redacted. Srsly ::)
QuoteBAM!
Spoiler
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people, get over it!
alien retconnect totally the avp movies and it will even incoherent the alien movies for a bit.
i think the xenomorphs won't be created yet in prometheus either.
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Mar 01, 2012, 12:55:02 AMAs for the vid...There is a part where he says "We are now the gods". Could we flip it all around and turn it into "Something" gets stolen from us? We are all going the angle that we take something from them (SJ). Maybe they do the dirty on us instead.
Yeah, SJs saw Weyland's ranting on the space TED/youtube channel, swooped down on the Earth and robbed him of his bank cheque, which he got from his investors :) Well, I guess, the teaser's tag made it clear enough: "They went looking.. what they found...", so it's still the same scenario, when humans lay thier hands on someone's property, not otherwise. ;)
People trying to connect which is perhaps the worst movie ever (AVP) with which still stands as the best and most important horror film ever made (Alien) is kind of fun to witness. It is like mixing crap with caviar.
Weren't the AVP movies made for the kids?, alien was a serious film made for adult audience; please try not to make any single connection to It. It's just embarrasing for the older ones like me who once knew the alien franchise in a better status than It actually is nowadays. Also, please let Scott to address the franchise in the right path It should have never left in 1986.
Also, people criticizing Pearce because of the english accent..., can't stop laughing to that. Please stop being that..., arrogants with your language, please. Can't you see you are as arrogants as the attitude you are citicizing in the role that Pearce is playing?, you guys make me laugh big time with all this comedy you make out of your language. There exist many types of english accents, the australian, the american, etc; i mean even a non-english speaker like me knows this very well, so just shut the f**k up and focus on Peace's performance which is at the very least outstanding.
AVP got disconnected. Cut off. By Ridley Scott.
Read that again.
End of.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 01, 2012, 01:36:05 PM
AVP got disconnected. Cut off. By Ridley Scott.
Read that again.
End of.
Yes, cut off like a malignant tumor. Terminated with extreme prejudice. :)
Wicked !!
Quote from: escroto on Mar 01, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
People trying to connect which is perhaps the worst movie ever (AVP) with which still stands as the best and most important horror film ever made (Alien) is kind of fun to witness. It is like mixing crap with caviar.
Weren't the AVP movies made for the kids?, alien was a serious film made for adult audience; please try not to make any single connection to It. It's just embarrasing for the older ones like me who once knew the alien franchise in a better status than It actually is nowadays. Also, please let Scott to address the franchise in the right path It should have never left in 1986.
Also, people criticizing Pearce because of the english accent..., can't stop laughing to that. Please stop being that..., arrogants with your language, please. Can't you see you are as arrogants as the attitude you are citicizing in the role that Pearce is playing?, you guys make me laugh big time with all this comedy you make out of your language. There exist many types of english accents, the australian, the american, etc; i mean even a non-english speaker like me knows this very well, so just shut the f**k up and focus on Peace's performance which is at the very least outstanding.
Chill out.
Quote from: escroto on Mar 01, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
Weren't the AVP movies made for the kids?
First one was at least:
'it's [AVP] built to please a younger audience exposed to the video games and comic books.'
Paul Anderson, Empire, 2004.
I think the MTV ad for AVP 2004 pretty much made that clear without any need for words.
Surreal seeing a TV ad for an Alien/Predator film featuring "hard rock" and that over stylized cutting. :o
So it's nice to see adults handling the material again. :)
Charles Bishop does not exist in this dojo. Deal with it.
AVP I and II are simply awful - Henriksen did his best, but ultimately his character was underwritten and died in one of the most pathetic scenes ever.
Why am I wasting my breath on two of the worst projects ever to have come out of Fox? AVP should have been CGI fest set on the Predator world or just stayed as a comic book. Awful, just awful films.
Quote from: Kol on Mar 01, 2012, 12:15:14 PM
i think the xenomorphs won't be created yet in prometheus either.
And God knows how disappointed I will be if that turns out to be true.
Unless Prometheus is some sorta reboot, it cannot eradicate the AVP films. Personally, I'd sooner let go of Prometheus from Alien continuity than the AVP films and in connection to that the Predator Concrete Jungle game and AVP2010.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:25:27 PM
Unless Prometheus is some sorta reboot, it cannot eradicate the AVP films. Personally, I'd sooner let go of Prometheus from Alien continuity than the AVP films and in connection to that the Predator Concrete Jungle game and AVP2010.
Wat.
I just, I can't, I... I can't do this thread anymore...
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:25:27 PM
Unless Prometheus is some sorta reboot, it cannot eradicate the AVP films. Personally, I'd sooner let go of Prometheus from Alien continuity than the AVP films and in connection to that the Predator Concrete Jungle game and AVP2010.
+ 100 points for stubborn tenacity.
- 100 points for refusing to accept reality.
Let me explain myself, the AVP films have become too far rooted into the AVP franchise, Prometheus's connection to Alien is still... an enigma (I wish Ridley Scott would be more clear on whether or not the film is an Alien Prequel). In my opinion, if a future film defies continuity of the previous films then it has clearly failed somewhere.
AvP is not canon in the Alien franchise, much as they tried by casting Henrikssen as a Weyland.
^I still don't see how that can be so. ???
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:37:50 PM
Let me explain myself, the AVP films have become too far rooted into the AVP franchise, Prometheus's connection to Alien is still... an enigma (I wish Ridley Scott would be more clear on whether or not the film is an Alien Prequel). In my opinion, if a future film defies continuity of the previous films then it has clearly failed somewhere.
It has Weyland Industries in it, the derelict has been seen, as well as the SJ itself.
What more do you need? IT IS CONNECTED TO ALIEN.
Since Guy Pearce has said that his appearance in the movie is brief, saying "I'm only in the film for a minute".
That must mean Peter Weyland is very minor.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:18 PM
^I still don't see how that can be so. ???
Alien is one franchise
Predator is another franchise
and AvP is yet another franchise.
Why is this hard to comprehend?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
It has Weyland Industries in it, the derelict has been seen, as well as the SJ itself.
What more do you need? IT IS CONNECTED TO ALIEN.
I need to know that it does not contradict the AVP films.
Quote from: deuterium on Mar 01, 2012, 04:44:03 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:18 PM
^I still don't see how that can be so. ???
Alien is one franchise
Predator is another franchise
and AvP is yet another franchise.
Why is this hard to comprehend?
What's hard to comprehend is how this can be so when the directors of both AVP movies never envisioned them that way.
Guys, I really don´t get it, that you discuss the AVP crap here????
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:37:50 PMIn my opinion, if a future film defies continuity of the previous films then it has clearly failed somewhere.
Unless it actually tries to make sense of a bullshit continuity.
-Chris
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
It has Weyland Industries in it, the derelict has been seen, as well as the SJ itself.
What more do you need? IT IS CONNECTED TO ALIEN.
I need to know that it does not contradict the AVP films.
So what if it does? It looks like that's all but a certainty at this point.
If that's the case, but you wind up liking it more than the AvPs, would you consider it canon over them?
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
It has Weyland Industries in it, the derelict has been seen, as well as the SJ itself.
What more do you need? IT IS CONNECTED TO ALIEN.
I need to know that it does not contradict the AVP films.
Even though the AvP films contradict the movies of both franchises?
The first one doesn't really.
Just saying. Not going to enter this mess.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
What's hard to comprehend is how this can be so when the directors of both AVP movies never envisioned them that way.
It is an immutable Law of Nature, kind of like the Conservation of Mass-Energy, that the vision of Sir Ridley Scott trumps the vision of Paul W.S. Anderson. It is also a well accepted scientific theory that the Strause Bros. have NO vision, whatsoever.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:37:50 PM
Let me explain myself, the AVP films have become too far rooted into the AVP franchise, Prometheus's connection to Alien is still... an enigma (I wish Ridley Scott would be more clear on whether or not the film is an Alien Prequel). In my opinion, if a future film defies continuity of the previous films then it has clearly failed somewhere.
Holy what, where was this scathing critical eye when AvP came out?
I think that's the most mind-blowing statement you've made yet. Truly a slap in the face to the hours and hours of discussion that people have had with you over AvP and canon in general.
You go down with the ship defending garbage films like AvP from being disregarded by Prometheus, but did you do the same for the original films, both Alien and Predator, when Anderson and Bros. shat all over the legacy that those films had created for over a decade? Two different and great franchises, mind you?
That's just completely unbelievable.
It's laughable. I'm telling you, I think PredXeno is a troll...that's the only way I can make ANY sense of his continual and persistent comments on the subject? ;) ;) :):)
Paul Anderson is to the Brothers Strause as Ridley Scott is to Paul Anderson. At least Anderson knew how to turn on the lights.
Anyway, the continuity was already riddled with inconsistencies, and as such the AVP timeline has always been alternate. The only 'proper' connection between the two franchises is the alien skull in Predator 2, and it's important to note the Alien series doesn't pay this back at all. They are seperate franchises. In the timeline Prometheus presents, 'Alien' will happen in the future, 'AVP' NEVER happened in the past - you could possibly argue that the three Predator movies exist within the universe, but it'd be utterly irrelevant.
It's not a question of quality, although god knows the two AVP films were substandard, more an immutable fact that Prometheus does not respect those movies as canon. Thus they are not canon. You're talking about a work from one of the originators of the universe - frankly, I'm sure even the AVP makers themselves would be quick to demur to it.
Prometheus IS the continuity. There is no AVP within the timeline of the original Alien series.
Oh lordy px, I suppose this is expected when you talk Prometheus at a site called avpgalaxy, it's insanity.
The AvP franchise has its own board. This isn't it.
Quote from: robbritton on Mar 01, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
Paul Anderson is to the Brothers Strause as Ridley Scott is to Paul Anderson. At least Anderson knew how to turn on the lights.
Anyway, the continuity was already riddled with inconsistencies, and as such the AVP timeline has always been alternate. The only 'proper' connection between the two franchises is the alien skull in Predator 2, and it's important to note the Alien series doesn't pay this back at all. They are seperate franchises. In the timeline Prometheus presents, 'Alien' will happen in the future, 'AVP' NEVER happened in the past - you could possibly argue that the three Predator movies exist within the universe, but it'd be utterly irrelevant.
It's not a question of quality, although god knows the two AVP films were substandard, more an immutable fact that Prometheus does not respect those movies as canon. Thus they are not canon. You're talking about a work from one of the originators of the universe - frankly, I'm sure even the AVP makers themselves would be quick to demur to it.
Prometheus IS the continuity. There is no AVP within the timeline of the original Alien series.
This post is sound, though I begrudgingly concede your Anderson comment. :laugh:
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 01, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: robbritton on Mar 01, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
Paul Anderson is to the Brothers Strause as Ridley Scott is to Paul Anderson. At least Anderson knew how to turn on the lights.
Anyway, the continuity was already riddled with inconsistencies, and as such the AVP timeline has always been alternate. The only 'proper' connection between the two franchises is the alien skull in Predator 2, and it's important to note the Alien series doesn't pay this back at all. They are seperate franchises. In the timeline Prometheus presents, 'Alien' will happen in the future, 'AVP' NEVER happened in the past - you could possibly argue that the three Predator movies exist within the universe, but it'd be utterly irrelevant.
It's not a question of quality, although god knows the two AVP films were substandard, more an immutable fact that Prometheus does not respect those movies as canon. Thus they are not canon. You're talking about a work from one of the originators of the universe - frankly, I'm sure even the AVP makers themselves would be quick to demur to it.
Prometheus IS the continuity. There is no AVP within the timeline of the original Alien series.
This post is sound, though I begrudgingly concede your Anderson comment. :laugh:
A pyrrhic victory indeed! :D
the reasons people are using when claiming prometheus to be a prequel .........the ''exact'' same rules dictate avp to be a prequel to the entire alien and predator ( bar the new one ) ''legacy'' as you put it :) and those of you who claim the reasons as to why avp is a seperate franchise are the exact same reasons why i say prometheus is its own franchise........however.......all 4 franchises.......i.e alien, predator, alien vs predator and prometheus all have connecting points that do allow for all of them to exist in the same universe........i think somebody should come up with a name for the entire alien,predator,avp and prometheus universe and put all this hate and teeny angst behind us........
lets unite :)
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 05:09:48 PM
The AvP franchise has its own board. This isn't it.
Yeah It might but I haven't seen this level of avp autusim anywhere else in any other Prometheus related comunity, it's good for the lulz I suppose.
Shall we call it 'The Incompatible Muddle'?
Enough of the canon arguments in this thread already.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
That's not why a lot of us are criticizing him. His performance is OTT and totally hammy. It plays almost like a parody of an arrogant businessman. Again, this is probably the fault of Jake Scott for either not reigning him, not giving a crap, or just having no time to do multiple takes. As it stands, the viral vid has some serious camp fumes coming off it. I don't expect the film to share that, but it's a bit worrying.
Thank you. This was precisely my point.
Compare this performance to even the actors, like I said, who were only on screen for a few minutes in '
Aliens', all meant to be from either Weyland-Yutani or bodies which they were clearly linked to. You don't even have to go to Burke. Those actors were nowhere near the presumed pay-grade of Guy Pearce, but compare his Weyland to them. Which performances come across more like people you'd expect to fit in with the 'verse?
I'm not saying it shouldn't have been a speech, but it come across utterly fake.
And I wouldn't care, usually, but this was a character who
is in the main film from the same actor. That's what makes this slightly concerning.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:31:12 PM
The character clearly prides himself on being an Englishman, hence the TS Lawrence namedrop. It's just a bad accent. It's forced, his natural Aussie comes through and steamrolls things left and right, like when Nicole Kidman tries to do any kind of accent--but she manages to pass it off. He doesn't.
But whatever. Clearly I'm in the minority on this.
The forced accent was obvious in my view, too, for what it's worth. Whether that was due to him trying to 'sound aristocratic' or because he's not got much experience with British accents, is open to question.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 29, 2012, 03:29:51 PM
I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but Guy Pearce was invoking John Hurt that whole time. Maybe it was that time he spent with him during the filming of The Proposition. Nice touch.
He was channelling a James Mason impression, not John Hurt!
Seriously... Watch the original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8#ws)
Now compare it to these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m5N78k1dpw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m5N78k1dpw#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqlE2iQByRk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqlE2iQByRk#)
Now tell me you can't hear the similarities. :)
Peter Weyland = Captain Nemo! We shall see a Space Jockey as the giant squid being fought upon the decks of the Nautilus, um... Prometheus! :D
Guy Pearce is clearly channeling Ridley Scott himself here. Something about the eyes, and that head move after "We are the gods now." As if to say, "There. Let that sink in. Did I just blow your mind?" :laugh:
So if Peter Weyland is Ridley Scott (at least here), does that lend yet another layer of relevance to the Prometheus myth?
Quote from: Peter_WeylandThe poor man was tied to a rock as an eagle ripped through his belly and ate his liver. Over and over. Day after Day. Ad Infinitum.
Bit of a jab at Alien sequels? ;)
Quote from: dxdt on Mar 01, 2012, 05:52:14 PM
Guy Pearce is clearly channeling Ridley Scott himself here.
Had the same in my mind.
Inevitably there will be similarities to others still living or passed. It's our nature as humans to recognize patterns and similarities in everything. I believe Pearce's Weyland borrows from quite a few...but here's the bigger question....What's so wrong with that?
I still hear a lot of similarities with John Hurt's accent and inflections.
By the way, a wonderful (and funny) interview below with John Hurt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHA75wM0vFU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHA75wM0vFU#ws)
QuoteCompare this performance to even the actors, like I said, who were only on screen for a few minutes in 'Aliens', all meant to be from either Weyland-Yutani or bodies which they were clearly linked to.
You mean we should compare it to all those scenes of the marines pitching to a stadium full of people?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 01, 2012, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 11:48:01 AM
That's not why a lot of us are criticizing him. His performance is OTT and totally hammy. It plays almost like a parody of an arrogant businessman. Again, this is probably the fault of Jake Scott for either not reigning him, not giving a crap, or just having no time to do multiple takes. As it stands, the viral vid has some serious camp fumes coming off it. I don't expect the film to share that, but it's a bit worrying.
Thank you. This was precisely my point.
Compare this performance to even the actors, like I said, who were only on screen for a few minutes in 'Aliens', all meant to be from either Weyland-Yutani or bodies which they were clearly linked to. You don't even have to go to Burke. Those actors were nowhere near the presumed pay-grade of Guy Pearce, but compare his Weyland to them. Which performances come across more like people you'd expect to fit in with the 'verse?
I'm not saying it shouldn't have been a speech, but it come across utterly fake.
And I wouldn't care, usually, but this was a character who is in the main film from the same actor. That's what makes this slightly concerning.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 29, 2012, 12:31:12 PM
The character clearly prides himself on being an Englishman, hence the TS Lawrence namedrop. It's just a bad accent. It's forced, his natural Aussie comes through and steamrolls things left and right, like when Nicole Kidman tries to do any kind of accent--but she manages to pass it off. He doesn't.
But whatever. Clearly I'm in the minority on this.
The forced accent was obvious in my view, too, for what it's worth. Whether that was due to him trying to 'sound aristocratic' or because he's not got much experience with British accents, is open to question.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 29, 2012, 03:29:51 PM
I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but Guy Pearce was invoking John Hurt that whole time. Maybe it was that time he spent with him during the filming of The Proposition. Nice touch.
He was channelling a James Mason impression, not John Hurt!
Seriously... Watch the original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxdAWrsag8#ws)
Now compare it to these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m5N78k1dpw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m5N78k1dpw#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqlE2iQByRk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqlE2iQByRk#)
Now tell me you can't hear the similarities. :)
Peter Weyland = Captain Nemo! We shall see a Space Jockey as the giant squid being fought upon the decks of the Nautilus, um... Prometheus! :D
Go back and read all my replies to the cavlda quotes you referenced, then give proper counterpoints rather than your tenuous linking of Guys performance to James Mason, like that would be a problem anyway?
Wow. That was
sad. I'm sorry I ever left a(n
obviously tounge-in-cheek) comment about this in the first place.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Mar 01, 2012, 05:18:57 PM
Yeah It might but I haven't seen this level of avp autusim anywhere else in any other Prometheus related comunity, it's good for the lulz I suppose.
Autism prejudice? Really? I have a mild form of that myself, dude. (And whoops, I like
AVP1, no connection I swear :P). Besides, if we're using the word in this way then couldn't the claim be made that you have "purist autism"? (Note: I'm not actually accusing you of serious prejudice or anything, just making the point.)
To the guy who called AVP the worst movie ever: 1) you haven't seen
AVPR have you? 2) Look, I understand where you're coming from. I dislike, if not hate, the American Godzilla movie with a passion, just as you hate AVP1. But Quality-wise, are either of those the worst movie
ever? No. 3)
The Star Wars Holiday Special and
The Galaxy Invader are readily available on Google Video.
EDIT: The rest of my post/rant on the previous canon debate has been quarantined and moved here: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42333.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42333.0)
Enjoy!
I'm not going to quote that, but jesus.
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But it is a thoughtful and well-written post. You're going to get the stank eye. :laugh:
I have no words.
Let's keep to topic if we can. I don't want to have to start deleting posts.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 01, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
I'm not going to quote that, but jesus.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_ttRlVMOTXc/TnJMuG7NljI/AAAAAAAADKs/MlmpzecTpnw/s320/wall+of+text.jpg
Yeah, sorry guys. I'd started that in response to the whole canon silliness from before, but I'd worked on it for a while and I thought I made some pretty good points, though probably no one will read them. Plus, by now the thread has gotten back on track. :-[
Actually, I think I'll just re-post most of that in another thread if that's okay, so that the Text Wall of Doom! takes no more innocent victims just looking to comment on the video.
About Pearce's performance, I don't really see a problem with it, though I suppose I might find something on review. The speech itself is certainly engaging. It's possible that Peter Weyland is actually acting, having a different and less presentable personality/style seen here, but who knows?
Is the video supposed to be of the whole Talk? They're usually way longer, and it seems almost like an introduction/promo for a longer Talk in addition to the film, though it does articulate a lot of ideas in those few short minutes. Maybe in the future when media gets faster and faster and the attention spans of the population becomes worse, the Talks become shorter?
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Mar 01, 2012, 08:39:46 PM
Is the video supposed to be of the whole Talk? They're usually way longer, and it seems almost like an introduction/promo for a longer Talk in addition to the film, though it does articulate a lot of ideas in those few short minutes. Maybe in the future when media gets faster and faster and the attention spans of the population becomes worse, the Talks become shorter?
QuoteNew on TED.com: Find TEDTalks by length
Only have three minutes for a video snack? You can now find TEDTalks by length: 3, 6, 9, 12 or the classic 18-minutes ...
Visit http://www.ted.com/talks (http://www.ted.com/talks) and use the pulldown menu on the left-hand side:
So, the "classic" length is 18 minutes...but they can vary, even down to 3 minutes.
Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 01, 2012, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Mar 01, 2012, 08:39:46 PM
Is the video supposed to be of the whole Talk? They're usually way longer, and it seems almost like an introduction/promo for a longer Talk in addition to the film, though it does articulate a lot of ideas in those few short minutes. Maybe in the future when media gets faster and faster and the attention spans of the population becomes worse, the Talks become shorter?
QuoteNew on TED.com: Find TEDTalks by length
Only have three minutes for a video snack? You can now find TEDTalks by length: 3, 6, 9, 12 or the classic 18-minutes ...
Visit http://www.ted.com/talks (http://www.ted.com/talks) and use the pulldown menu on the left-hand side:
Aaaah, thanks, cool to know.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 01, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
But it is a thoughtful and well-written post. You're going to get the stank eye. :laugh:
Thanks! I'll have to watch out for my eye odor, I guess... :o ;D
Quote from: escroto on Mar 01, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
People trying to connect which is perhaps the worst movie ever (AVP) with which still stands as the best and most important horror film ever made (Alien) is kind of fun to witness. It is like mixing crap with caviar.
Weren't the AVP movies made for the kids?
I strongly suspect that the vast majority of people who are trying to connect 'AVP' with 'Prometheus' are at the very least, under the age of 23. In that sense, yes; 'AVP' was made for kids.
If there's some person who's over the age of 30 who respects 'AVP' enough to try and integrate it with 'Alien', then... well, I pity them.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:25:27 PM
Personally, I'd sooner let go of Prometheus from Alien continuity than the AVP films and in connection to that the Predator Concrete Jungle game and AVP2010.
What kind of sense does that make?! So, Ridley Scott has less authority over the 'Alien' universe than Paul Anderson, the Brothers Strause and the developers of a Predator game?! Are you insane?! Aren't you the same person who is forever beating that ridiculous corporate drum of "Fox decides what's canon. End of."?
I guess that you follow that Fox mantra religiously, until the moment that you disagree with it and it no longer suits you.
I do understand that at the end of the day, you're entitled to consider certain elements of the fictional universe as canon and not others. However, that won't ever stop me from considering you to be insane in the membrane, my good Sir.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:25:27 PMI wish Ridley Scott would be more clear on whether or not the film is an Alien Prequel.
You do realise that you're just about the only person on this planet who's following this film and still isn't sure as to whether 'Prometheus' is an 'Alien' prequel or not? I just can't get my head around how you're so freakishly liberal towards the series canon, to the extent that it's both adorable and frustrating to read (though, mostly the latter); yet, you're so foolishly stubborn against common sense and what's staring you right in the face.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
Alien is one franchise
Predator is another franchise
and AvP is yet another franchise.
Why is this hard to comprehend?
What's hard to comprehend is how this can be so when the directors of both AVP movies never envisioned them that way.
You honestly give a hoot as to what "talented" film
makersdestroyers such as Anderson and Tweedle-Dee & Tweedle-Dum envisioned? I only wish that they'd "envision" their way into early retirement.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 04:40:50 PM
AvP is not canon in the Alien franchise, much as they tried by casting Henrikssen as a Weyland.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:18 PM
^I still don't see how that can be so. ???
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Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 05:09:48 PM
The AvP franchise has its own board. This isn't it.
Sorry, I only just read this but yes, I completely agree. I apologise for "feeding the troll" as it were but I sincerely wish that people like PredXeno would stop bringing up the topic of 'AVP' and 'Predator' within the 'Prometheus' thread. Take it else where PredXeno, please.
i wonder if guy pearce gets more screen time in the ad than the actual movie
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 01, 2012, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: escroto on Mar 01, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
People trying to connect which is perhaps the worst movie ever (AVP) with which still stands as the best and most important horror film ever made (Alien) is kind of fun to witness. It is like mixing crap with caviar.
Weren't the AVP movies made for the kids?
I strongly suspect that the vast majority of people who are trying to connect 'AVP' with 'Prometheus' are at the very least, under the age of 23. In that sense, yes; 'AVP' was made for kids.
Guilty as charged, sir. ;D
im honestly scratching my head in wonder at this thread!.
the negatively is a bit strange and also people's obsession with the avp canon or not canon seems even stranger.
i think the viral vid is excellent, i think it was a good idea, a nice change and i also think guy pearce nailed it, his accent is fine and he portrays an arrogant egotistical megalomaniac brilliantly in my opinion...
as to the avp canon/not canon malarky! who cares?! . i just want prometheus to be a great movie, i honestly dont give a flying f*** if it goes against avp or sticks with what was established because no matter what happens those films are here to stay wether we like them or not, they aren't going to magically disappear from history or anyones minds just because prometheus has changed a character and lets face it, most the films messed with each others canon and created plot holes because of it.
simple, if in your own mind you want avp as your canon or not as your canon then you are perfectly within your rights to make your own choice, complaining and trying to convince others is a completely futile quest.
now hopefully we get a fantastic movie, i for one am very happy with guy pearces performance and was hoping him or fassbender would be chosen for the next robocop but looks like that hope has been dashed.
thanks
rich
Quote from: hardcorps54 on Mar 01, 2012, 09:58:18 PM
i wonder if guy pearce gets more screen time in the ad than the actual movie
i hope so, i personally think hes a great actor. strange thing is, i used to watch neighbours when i was a kid and couldn't stand him in that! lol. but in his film roles i think hes been brilliant and im looking forward to lockout with him in, i dont get why he keeps getting such small roles to be honest as i think hes worthy of much bigger things.
thanks
rich
So the mystery behind the space jockeys being a strange alien race for all these years...turns out to be a dude in a suit and humans think theyre gods. great... there goes any of the mystery that was left in the alien films. oh well
Watch the movie before crying ::)
Quote from: SHREK on Mar 01, 2012, 10:25:13 PM
So the mystery behind the space jockeys being a strange alien race for all these years...turns out to be a dude in a suit and humans think theyre gods. great... there goes any of the mystery that was left in the alien films. oh well
If you want to preserve the mystery then don't see the film. You're not being forced into anything.
I believe that this kind of viral campaign is unprecedented, from the caliber of actor they've hired for the piece/s to its exectution. We've all witnessed many many viral campaigns from studios, but I've yet to experience something like this, so grand in scope. It's a game changer, and it's gonna be remembered. The web was abuzz with the TEDTalk when this thing dropped. My excitement for Prometheus couldn't even be plausibly measured at the moment, it's so big.
Quote from: 180924609 on Feb 29, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
As intriguing as this Guy Pearce 'Peter Weyland' viral publicity footage was -
I'm pretty sure that most of you will wake up tomorrow morning and in the cold light of day realise what a hokey piece of internet sh!t it truly was.
I hope to Christ that the actual movie has more dignity than this.
I take it all back - the Peter Weyland viral video is utter genius.
I swear to god the next person who brings up AvP in this thread will be banned from posting for a week. I'm not joking.
I love the TED metadata on Peter Weyland:
Quote
Peter Weyland has been a magnet for controversy since he announced his intent to build the first convincingly humanoid robotic system by the end of the decade. Whether challenging the ethical boundaries of medicine with nanotechnology or going toe to toe with the Vatican itself on the issue of gene-therapy sterilization, Sir Peter prides himself on his motto, "If we can, we must." After a three year media blackout, Weyland has finally emerged to reveal where he's heading next.
Wherever that may be, we will most certainly want to follow.
What was the reason for the 3 year media blackout I wonder? Has he 'discovered' something new??
Stay tuned for the next episode!
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 01, 2012, 11:28:13 PM
I love the TED metadata on Peter Weyland:
Quote
Peter Weyland has been a magnet for controversy since he announced his intent to build the first convincingly humanoid robotic system by the end of the decade. Whether challenging the ethical boundaries of medicine with nanotechnology or going toe to toe with the Vatican itself on the issue of gene-therapy sterilization, Sir Peter prides himself on his motto, "If we can, we must." After a three year media blackout, Weyland has finally emerged to reveal where he's heading next.
Wherever that may be, we will most certainly want to follow.
What was the reason for the 3 year media blackout I wonder? Has he 'discovered' something new??
Stay tuned for the next episode!
hmm, is there some significance with all these number 3s?. hes supposedly aged 23, makes speach in in the 3rd month of 2023 after a 3 year blackout?. probably all meaningless coincidence but strange nonetheless...
thanks
rich
I was thinking; how do we know Peter Weyland actually makes an appearance in Prometheus during year 2073? What if we just see him on a TV as the 2023 "founder" of Weyland Megacorporation or is it Weyland Corporation now?
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 01, 2012, 11:22:11 PM
I swear to god the next person who brings up AvP in this thread will be banned from posting for a week. I'm not joking.
id say banned until movie screening. :laugh: just joking
this TED talk is longer. I mean Pete say nothing new! and gather all this people for this is nonsense. TED talks are for introduce something.
I like how people unrelated to the movies coments this "futuristic" TED. thats how viral ads works better.
I watch again the video, with headphones and in HD and is not so bad as first impression (it was at work with some loud and daylight).
bad, but not so bad as first impression. 8)
I agree. I thought it's conflict with AvP was a natural part of the discussion.
In the AvP board, yes. Not here. We've already had complaints about this board being destroyed with canon arguments.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 12:27:05 AM
In the AvP board, yes. Not here. We've already had complaints about this board being destroyed with canon arguments.
But it belongs as much here as in AvP board cause it refferes to both subjects. And please don`t remove my post cause whole point is lost that way, and I don`t think it was insulting or inappropriate.
Quote from: RICH-ENGLAND on Mar 01, 2012, 11:36:39 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 01, 2012, 11:28:13 PM
I love the TED metadata on Peter Weyland:
Quote
Peter Weyland has been a magnet for controversy since he announced his intent to build the first convincingly humanoid robotic system by the end of the decade. Whether challenging the ethical boundaries of medicine with nanotechnology or going toe to toe with the Vatican itself on the issue of gene-therapy sterilization, Sir Peter prides himself on his motto, "If we can, we must." After a three year media blackout, Weyland has finally emerged to reveal where he's heading next.
Wherever that may be, we will most certainly want to follow.
What was the reason for the 3 year media blackout I wonder? Has he 'discovered' something new??
Stay tuned for the next episode!
hmm, is there some significance with all these number 3s?. hes supposedly aged 23, makes speach in in the 3rd month of 2023 after a 3 year blackout?. probably all meaningless coincidence but strange nonetheless...
thanks
rich
Its one of Lindelof's famous numbers from Lost:
4 8 15 16
23 42
Quote from: Master on Mar 02, 2012, 12:33:48 AM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 12:27:05 AM
In the AvP board, yes. Not here. We've already had complaints about this board being destroyed with canon arguments.
But it belongs as much here as in AvP board cause it refferes to both subjects. And please don`t remove my post cause whole point is lost that way, and I don`t think it was insulting or inappropriate.
Again, this thread is for discussing the video. I agree that it could have possible links to the AvP franchise, but this board is not about said franchise. It does not belong here.
As much as you wish to discuss its links to AvP, I have 5 members who've expressed a wish to keep the canon arguments out of it.
This is the Prometheus board, and I can't make it any clearer than that.
Well it's the 3rd month (March) because its March right now...
Will we be getting more TED videos in the future as part of this viral marketing campaign or will we getting different videos and such?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
It has Weyland Industries in it, the derelict has been seen, as well as the SJ itself.
What more do you need? IT IS CONNECTED TO ALIEN.
Well, techinically, as we know it...
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
a space jockey ship has been seen,
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
as well as dead space jockeys.
They're certainly not on LV-426, so it's highly likely that this is a new ship altogether.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
a space jockey ship has been seen,
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
as well as dead space jockeys.
They're certainly not on LV-426, so it's highly likely that this is a new ship altogether.
Wait, what? I thought Prometheus was supposed to be this Alien prequel which everyone was talking about? You're saying we're not even talking about the same Derelict ship or of LV-426?
Sure doesn't look like the Derelict from Alien.
Nor does the planet look much like LV-426.
But we'll never know till the film comes out.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 01:43:54 AM
They're certainly not on LV-426, so it's highly likely that this is a new ship altogether.
Nothing is certain regarding that.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2012, 01:53:49 AM
Sure doesn't look like the Derelict from Alien.
It's almost exactly the same :-\
Except for the one in Alien being all bendy and the one in the trailers not being all bendy.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2012, 02:00:12 AM
Except for the one in Alien being all bendy and the one in the trailers not being all bendy.
:-\ One arm being slightly upturned hardly makes the two nearly-identical designs cancel each other out. Actually, the only real major difference between them is the lack of ovoid shapes over the vagina doors on the Prometheus derelict.
It doesn't matter if it's the same exact ship...it's the same CLASS of ship...so much so that we think 'ALIEN DERELICT' right off the bat. And in that ship are familiar looking Giger-like tunnels and a replica of the Jockey chair.
EVERYTHING is absolutely obvious, we've been having these same back and forth discussions FOR MONTHS about this and it's quite frankly like knocking your head against a cement door that's on top of dirt. If people are still questioning Prometheus' connection to ALIEN at this late stage they are either doing it to be funny, or it's willing ignorance. ;)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 02, 2012, 02:05:24 AM
It doesn't matter if it's the same exact ship...it's the same CLASS of ship...so much so that we think 'ALIEN DERELICT' right off the bat. And in that ship are familiar looking Giger-like tunnels and a replica of the Jockey chair.
EVERYTHING is absolutely obvious, we've been having these same back and forth discussions FOR MONTHS about this and it's quite frankly like knocking your head against a cement door that's on top of dirt. If people are still questioning Prometheus' connection to ALIEN at this late stage they are either doing it to be funny, or it's willing ignorance. ;)
That sentence sums it up nicely. Prometheus is so obvious taking place in the Alien universe. Its not a direct prequal to Alien but a prequal needless to say.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 02, 2012, 02:04:36 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2012, 02:00:12 AM
Except for the one in Alien being all bendy and the one in the trailers not being all bendy.
:-\ One arm being slightly upturned hardly makes the two nearly-identical designs cancel each other out. Actually, the only real major difference between them is the lack of ovoid shapes over the vagina doors on the Prometheus derelict.
Both arms are bent.
Obviously it's a Jockey ship, but it doesn't appear to be the same one from Alien - at least not yet.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2012, 02:00:12 AM
Except for the one in Alien being all bendy and the one in the trailers not being all bendy.
We can also waste time comparing the small differences in the Narcissus of ALIEN vs ALIENS's Narcissus.
I don't think comparing the derelicts will determine whether or not this is the same ship.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2012, 02:13:58 AM
Both arms are bent.
Obviously it's a Jockey ship, but it doesn't appear to be the same one from Alien - at least not yet.
The original derelict looks different from angle to angle, as does the new one. I don't think Scott and his design team are losing any sleep over it. :P I still maintain that the only real difference are the missing ovoids. And maybe the fact that the undersides of the "wing ends" on the original were rounded, whereas they are blunter and flatter on the new one. I guess we'll have to wait til the first major leaks start coming in May before we find out whether they are intended to be the exact same ship. Ugh, the
waiting...
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QuoteWe can also waste time comparing the small differences in the Narcissus of ALIEN vs ALIENS's Narcissus.
What a load of horseshit. Those were obviously supposed to be the same ship.
With these, there's enough differences with the basic structure at the moment to suggest they're the same kind of ship (like the Sulaco and Patna), but not one and the same.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 02, 2012, 02:05:24 AM
It doesn't matter if it's the same exact ship...it's the same CLASS of ship...so much so that we think 'ALIEN DERELICT' right off the bat. And in that ship are familiar looking Giger-like tunnels and a replica of the Jockey chair.
Well there ya go.
I just don't think people should get their hopes up that this is the 'Alien' Derelict or that this planet is LV-426 (doesn't look a thing like it).
My theory is just that the type of ship that keeps crashing on these planets/moons? Shitty luck, man.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Mar 02, 2012, 02:16:14 AM
I don't think comparing the derelicts will determine whether or not this is the same ship.
Whichever ship is in Prometheus, we
do know that it's airborne at one point in time (long enough to have some kind of malfunction or get shot down)... man, we
really need to get a different name than 'Derelict'. :laugh:
The from what we see of the planet itself is the biggest part that factors into what we can tell from this point.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 02:29:53 AM
Whichever ship is in Prometheus, we do know that it's airborne at one point in time (long enough to have some kind of malfunction or get shot down)... man, we really need to get a different name than 'Derelict'. :laugh:
The from what we see of the planet itself is the biggest part that factors into what we can tell from this point.
If they're separate ships, then it's amazing that the Engineers even build spaceships in the first place, considering they can't fly them worth shit :P Also, the planet not looking the same isn't really a huge factor I'd say, considering the landscape is still heavily volcanic, being
Iceland made of clearly volcanic soil and rock. As Prometheus takes place before Alien, the planet could easily have undergone some sort of geologic activity that would have produced the twisted, lava-like rock formations on LV-426. Who knows? Stupid June and it being so far away >:(
Good point on the topic of a possibly geologic evolution... which I would think it would do more with a failed attempt at terra forming, but I digress.
I don't have my hopes up that either are what we've seen in Alien, and I'll be just as glad (possibly moreso) if it isn't.
Geological activity on that scale, in the timeline we've been given, seems unlikely.
I agree, really. Could have something to do with what was being held by that crashed ship but ehhh... nyehhhh... nah. Nope.
30 years aint shit, and that's definitely not a continuity error. My mind is lightyears away from LV-426 at this point.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 02:50:43 AM
Geological activity on that scale, in the timeline we've been given, seems unlikely.
Maybe in the timeline we've been given, but if the rumored Lindelof time jumping thing of stupidity comes into play... ;) :P
Where has that idea even been suggested other than here? ;)
The planet is a moon orbiting another larger planet it would seem - like LV-426. But right now, it doesn't feel at all like LV-426.
Unless the events in the film change the Derelict and planet to what we see in Alien.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 02:58:49 AM
Where has that idea even been suggested other than here? ;)
IMDb :P
just how would they reverse the seemingly calm and stable atmosphere of that planet into the primordial state of LV-426 by the time the Nostromo landed?
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Mar 02, 2012, 03:07:17 AM
just how would they reverse the seemingly calm and stable atmosphere of that planet into the primordial state of LV-426 by the time the Nostromo landed?
How could the humans get there in the first place? It's sci-fi :P
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
a space jockey ship has been seen,
Oh, come now. :laugh:
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 01:43:54 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
as well as dead space jockeys.
Really gettin' me on these technicalities, huh? :laugh:
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 01:43:54 AMThey're certainly not on LV-426, so it's highly likely that this is a new ship altogether.
Yeah, that they're not on LV is obvious. Although, when I watched the trailer, looked like the same ship to me. Since it's a, y'know, a ship, I thought it might've flown to LV.
Ah, well, won't lose any sleep over this.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 02:58:49 AM
Where has that idea even been suggested other than here? ;)
A lot of crazy ideas do come from here. :-\
That post came across without the slightest hint of irony.
;)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 02, 2012, 03:59:47 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
a space jockey ship has been seen,
Oh, come now. :laugh:
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Mar 02, 2012, 01:43:54 AMQuote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 01, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
as well as dead space jockeys.
Really gettin' me on these technicalities, huh? :laugh:
No no! I meant to just change them so they're not labeling them as the same...
things shown in Alien. :laugh:
Quote from: SM on Mar 01, 2012, 07:52:41 PM
QuoteCompare this performance to even the actors, like I said, who were only on screen for a few minutes in 'Aliens', all meant to be from either Weyland-Yutani or bodies which they were clearly linked to.
You mean we should compare it to all those scenes of the marines pitching to a stadium full of people?
No, the characters I referred to in my earlier reply - the ones with speaking parts at Ripley's board of enquiry. Paul Maxwell's Van Leuwen came across as more believable, in my view. Obviously, Burke most definitely did, but I'm saying if we want to compare like with like, then there's an obvious example of someone with even less screen time than this gave. He wasn't performing for a stadium, but it was still for an audience, of sorts.
Up to an individual's preference, obviously. Just saying any would-be effect this footage was meant to have on me, as a potential customer, was fouled up by the false impression of the performance.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Mar 01, 2012, 08:19:11 PM
Go back and read all my replies to the cavlda quotes you referenced, then give proper counterpoints rather than your tenuous linking of Guys performance to James Mason, like that would be a problem anyway?
Firstly, I did read them. I happened to disagree with them.
Secondly, I was responding to a reply of someone who was convinced it's a channelling of John Hurt. I say, the verbal inflections and such are a lot closer to a James Mason impression - and it's very possible he was doing that, since he's an actor who was famous for portraying aristocratic commanding characters. Which seems to be what they were going for with this.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 01, 2012, 11:02:09 PM
I believe that this kind of viral campaign is unprecedented, from the caliber of actor they've hired for the piece/s to its exectution.
I doubt it really cost them anything, aside from the special effects they green screened in. :) Probably pulled him aside to do it on the very day he put his film performance in. Wouldn't have cost them extra.
It
is clever, as an idea, because it incorporates the TED phenomenon. I just don't feel the execution was what it could've been, that's all and am surprised it led to so much celebration and praise, when it seemed so average.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2012, 03:00:45 AM
The planet is a moon orbiting another larger planet it would seem - like LV-426. But right now, it doesn't feel at all like LV-426.
Unless the events in the film change the Derelict and planet to what we see in Alien.
isn't that the Derelict about to crash-land on the Acheron Moon? (0:21 - 0:23 min.):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sftuxbvGwiU#ws)
That landscape looks pretty much like Lv-426 to me, and that ship is clearly going down, so...
The planet we see in the trailer has a wide open plain with high mountains either side (ie. a glacial valley). LV-426 is covered with a multitude of low pointed rocks, and we never see any high mountains.
QuoteNo, the characters I referred to in my earlier reply - the ones with speaking parts at Ripley's board of enquiry. Paul Maxwell's Van Leuwen came across as more believable, in my view. Obviously, Burke most definitely did, but I'm saying if we want to compare like with like, then there's an obvious example of someone with even less screen time than this gave. He wasn't performing for a stadium, but it was still for an audience, of sorts.
Different performances require different things. Van Leuwen and Burke weren't pitching products and ideas to a stadium full of people, so there's no real basis for comparison. Weyland looked and sounded exactly like a guy at some big product launch.
Quote from: SM on Mar 02, 2012, 08:05:34 AM
The planet we see in the trailer has a wide open plain with high mountains either side (ie. a glacial valley). LV-426 is covered with a multitude of low pointed rocks, and we never see any high mountains.
Seems like Lv-426 "redux" to me, with modern CGI tech applied to visuals. The overall " blue atmosphere" of that planet seems too similar to me to Lv-426. Also, the Derelict was resting on a very small (low) montain range, not volcanic rocks, so I guess there can be high mountains in Lv-426 as well.
The fact that we see a ship going down is also relevant. I think that's "Prometheus" (the wheelchair guy?, the engineer born of Noomi Rapace who came to "appreciate" humans a bit during Its short life?) who's about to crash-land on that derelic ship class he has probably stolen to the gods (the jockeys/other engineers, the elder probably) with the cargo (the fire, the Aliens) inside. Then he gets his punishment, the fossilized suit attached to the chair representing the old legend of the titan Prometheus bound to a rock, etc.
QuoteSeems like Lv-426 "redux" to me,
In that it looks
literally nothing like it except for a bluish hue?
Planet from Prometheus trailer looks nothing like Lv-426 from Alien. It`s different in nearly every aspect so I don`t think those are related.
About Weyland`s speech I have no problem with both his performence nor accent, but things he`s speaking are full of truisms and jumping to conclusion.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 02, 2012, 06:38:44 AMIt is clever, as an idea, because it incorporates the TED phenomenon. I just don't feel the execution was what it could've been, that's all and am surprised it led to so much celebration and praise, when it seemed so average.
Since Mr. Weyland allegedly showed off himself as potent and potentially iniquitous ruller, maybe we have been fed with such a stereotyped performance of big corporation's top guy for the purpose of later revelation he might not be such weicked as he seemed? Probably it was the objective of Weyland report's ostentatious and dramatic execution... WhO knows? At least Lindelof in his interwiev on TED related, that we actually don't know anything about this guy so far, and this sounds as a hint to me. But nevertheless, these are just speculations, the film will answer ;)
"It is clever, as an idea, because it incorporates the TED phenomenon. I just don't feel the execution was what it could've been, that's all and am surprised it led to so much celebration and praise, when it seemed so average."
It received much celebration and praise because it's pretty damn cool, and it was largely successful. Just because you don't particularly like it doesn't make it bad, or means that it failed. I haven't seen anything quite like this for a viral campaign before. And comparing Ripley's pseudo-inquest with the suits is by no means comparable. They were in a small room chronicling a series of events.....NOT talking to an audience of 100k people or more. Obviously it's okay that you don't like something, but poo pooing it as ineffectual doesn't seem fair when to the larger majority, it IS effective. It's an anecdotal piece, not in the film.
It could well be LV 426 if they reverse terraform it to a point where it becomes "almost primordial" as Ash says.
The planet is not LV-426.
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 02, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
It could well be LV 426 if they reverse terraform it to a point where it becomes "almost primordial" as Ash says.
But why would they do that, then leave, and then return later and spend vast sums of cash to make it habitable again? Purely from a business point of view, it would just be pointless.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 02, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
It could well be LV 426 if they reverse terraform it to a point where it becomes "almost primordial" as Ash says.
But why would they do that, then leave, and then return later and spend vast sums of cash to make it habitable again? Purely from a business point of view, it would just be pointless.
Plus, this planet looks pretty mighty (going by my limited first impressions). LV426 is just some bumf**k backwater planetoid.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 02, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
It could well be LV 426 if they reverse terraform it to a point where it becomes "almost primordial" as Ash says.
But why would they do that, then leave, and then return later and spend vast sums of cash to make it habitable again? Purely from a business point of view, it would just be pointless.
Plus, this planet looks pretty mighty (going by my limited first impressions). LV426 is just some bumf**k backwater planetoid.
Where is the concrete evidence that the planet isn't LV-426?
There isn't any. There's also no concrete evidence it isn't Narnia, but we can assume it isn't. It looks nothing like 426.
Dont forget the 'dark sand storm' scene that sweeps Noomi off her feet. The large particles in the storm and the way that the scene is framed around the image of the Prometheus landing strut is a big hint that this planet could actually be LV426 prior to some terraforming catastrophe where a toxic substance is ejected into the atmosphere and transforms the entire landscape and derelict into the familiar giger melted bone forms.
Also the planet in Prometheus appears to be a moon of a larger planet.
And best of all, dont forget Ridley's own 'senior moment' comment when he said the he was going *back* to a planet called zeta reticuli! :D
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 02, 2012, 04:07:21 PM
And best of all, dont forget Ridley's own 'senior moment' comment when he said the he was going *back* to a planet called zeta reticuli! :D
Well, that probably that was the name of the planetoid after all rather than whatever else they called it in the other movies
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 02, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Well, that probably that was the name of the planetoid after all rather than whatever else they called it in the other movies
Zeta Reticuli is a real life star system and is the system where LV-426 is located. Also, I always hated the name Acheron; where did it come from?
Quote from: d0mm2k8 on Mar 02, 2012, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 02, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Well, that probably that was the name of the planetoid after all rather than whatever else they called it in the other movies
Zeta Reticuli is a real life star system and is the system where LV-426 is located. Also, I always hated the name Acheron; where did it come from?
Acheron has a fabled name in Greek Mythology. Have you tried Google?
Also, it is quite a symbolic metaphor for the conditions that the Nostromo crew discovered on LV-426.
Quote from: d0mm2k8 on Mar 02, 2012, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 02, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Well, that probably that was the name of the planetoid after all rather than whatever else they called it in the other movies
Zeta Reticuli is a real life star system and is the system where LV-426 is located. Also, I always hated the name Acheron; where did it come from?
It was mentioned in the script for Aliens, during Ripley's hearing, I believe, but the line wasn't used and it isn't referred to as such anywhere in the film.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Mar 02, 2012, 06:54:26 PM
It was mentioned in the script for Aliens, during Ripley's hearing, I believe, but the line wasn't used and it isn't referred to as such anywhere in the film.
It is also used in the original Alan Dean Foster novelization of "Alien", if memory serves.
Quote from: d0mm2k8 on Mar 02, 2012, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 02, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Well, that probably that was the name of the planetoid after all rather than whatever else they called it in the other movies
Zeta Reticuli is a real life star system and is the system where LV-426 is located. Also, I always hated the name Acheron; where did it come from?
Well, what does it all mean to Ridley who thought that the chatter going on when Zeta II Reticuli was mentioned was just gobbledigook?
Quote from: d0mm2k8 on Mar 02, 2012, 06:38:07 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 02, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
Well, that probably that was the name of the planetoid after all rather than whatever else they called it in the other movies
Zeta Reticuli is a real life star system and is the system where LV-426 is located. Also, I always hated the name Acheron; where did it come from?
Greek mythology.
Quote from: KirklandSignature on Mar 02, 2012, 04:00:19 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 02, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 02, 2012, 03:08:28 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 02, 2012, 12:44:40 PM
It could well be LV 426 if they reverse terraform it to a point where it becomes "almost primordial" as Ash says.
But why would they do that, then leave, and then return later and spend vast sums of cash to make it habitable again? Purely from a business point of view, it would just be pointless.
Plus, this planet looks pretty mighty (going by my limited first impressions). LV426 is just some bumf**k backwater planetoid.
Where is the concrete evidence that the planet isn't LV-426?
because the person who WROTE it said it isnt LV4-26 and because the DIRECTOR said it's a new world. is that so hard to compute?
Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 02, 2012, 06:53:33 PMAcheron has a fabled name in Greek Mythology. Have you tried Google?
Sorry, I guess I phrased that wrong. I loved Greek Mythology as a kid and, as a result, I suppose I'm quite versed in it. What I meant was 'Which film/book/game did the name first get applied to LV-426?', which has been answered.
"To honor this historic event, Weyland Corp is planning to offer a new round of investment soon. Interested parties can expect to find out more within the next few days."
How much you wanna bet Fox doesn't follow through on that promise. :P
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 02, 2012, 04:07:21 PM
Dont forget the 'dark sand storm' scene that sweeps Noomi off her feet. The large particles in the storm and the way that the scene is framed around the image of the Prometheus landing strut is a big hint that this planet could actually be LV426 prior to some terraforming catastrophe where a toxic substance is ejected into the atmosphere and transforms the entire landscape and derelict into the familiar giger melted bone forms.
Every other shot however shows the planet very calm and not hammered by the winds that tend to dominate LV-426.
That howling wind noise reminds me of childhood awesome.
That and listening to 'resolution and hypersleep' from Aliens over and over and over again by myself in the dark.
;)
We're all mad here, I suppose.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 02, 2012, 11:19:23 PM
That howling wind noise reminds me of childhood awesome.
That and listening to 'resolution and hypersleep' from Aliens over and over and over again by myself in the dark.
;)
We're all mad here, I suppose.
If you like "Resolution and Hypersleep", then I imagine you will appreciate the original source, which is the "Adagio" movement from Aram Khachaturian's "Gayane". Not sure if this was ever credited, on Horner's "Aliens" soundtrack. This piece was also featured prominently in 2001: A Space Odyssey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ZBSdjzKfk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6ZBSdjzKfk#)
Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 02, 2012, 11:49:45 PM
If you like "Resolution and Hypersleep", then I imagine you will appreciate the original source, which is the "Adagio" movement from Aram Khachaturian's "Gayane". Not sure if this was ever credited, on Horner's "Aliens" soundtrack.
Nope. Typical Horner :P
Man...I KNEW that it was taken from 2001: A Space Odyssey. I just never knew the actual composer/piece. Never bothered to try and find out.
Is this music perfect for outer space, or is it perfect for outer space because it worked in 2001? ???
Thank you, I listen to the hell out of that video. Thanks 2001 for turning me on to this original musical piece. That is funny about Horner, but I read that they did the same thing with Alien score, kind of assembled it from newly scored music and classical pieces that they had used in the test footage (or whatever they call it.)
Not really. They did include some of Goldsmith's work from Freud in the temp track that made it into the final film - which pissed him off no end since he'd composed new stuff that went unused. However the vast bulk of the Alien score was specifically composed for the film.
Goldsmith's end titles got ditched in favour of Hanson's The Romantic though.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 03, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
Man...I KNEW that it was taken from 2001: A Space Odyssey. I just never knew the actual composer/piece. Never bothered to try and find out.
Is this music perfect for outer space, or is it perfect for outer space because it worked in 2001? ???
The latter I suspect.
Kinda like the music from Battle Beyond the Stars, and Star Treks 2 and 3 worked too. ;D
The first thing I ever heard it in was Aliens, and I think it's used well at the beginning at the end to express the desolation and scope of deep space and the dream metaphors found throughout the Alien series.
It was so beautiful, kind of minimalist, and played on my hopes and fears perfectly. I wanted to be Newt (but the male version, think Gingrich) in that cryotube.
Good thing I wasn't huh?! :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: RagingDragon on Mar 03, 2012, 12:02:22 AM
Thank you, I listen to the hell out of that video. Thanks 2001 for turning me on to this original musical piece. That is funny about Horner, but I read that they did the same thing with Alien score, kind of assembled it from newly scored music and classical pieces that they had used in the test footage (or whatever they call it.)
Not quite the same. The studio, Ridley and the editors took Jerry Goldsmith's original score, and broke it up. They also incorporated earlier music that Goldsmith composed for the score of the film "Freud". So, it was all Jerry's original music. However, at the very end, the studio screwed over Goldsmith (without his knowledge, and outside of his control), by cutting in a classical piece by Howard Hanson (Symphony #2 Romantic). This is the scene when Ripley hits the Narcisuss' thrusters, and kills the Alien.
LOL, I see that SM beat me too the punch. ^
I actually prefer the Hanson piece to Goldsmith's closing titles.
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2012, 12:15:44 AM
I actually prefer the Hanson piece to Goldsmith's closing titles.
Indeed.
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2012, 12:15:44 AM
I actually prefer the Hanson piece to Goldsmith's closing titles.
Son of a bitch. I feel the exact same way. As much as I love the rest of Golsmith's score for ALIEN, I think Hanson's piece was just perfect for the ending.
For those interested, the theme we are talking about can be heard starting around the 5:00 mark, below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgOFiJIJ1r4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgOFiJIJ1r4#)
And if you want to hear the EXACT recording used in the film, it can be found on this compilation:
http://www.amazon.com/Great-American-Composers-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000003GE7/ (http://www.amazon.com/Great-American-Composers-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000003GE7/)
Too bad the excerpt used in the film wasn't included on the Complete Score release for convenience's sake. Ah, well.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 03, 2012, 12:26:14 AM
And if you want to hear the EXACT recording used in the film, it can be found on this compilation:
http://www.amazon.com/Great-American-Composers-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000003GE7/ (http://www.amazon.com/Great-American-Composers-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000003GE7/)
Too bad the excerpt used in the film wasn't included on the Complete Score release for convenience's sake. Ah, well.
Thanks for this tip - I've been trying to track that piece down for years!
Are you positive it is the same recording?
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 03, 2012, 12:36:12 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 03, 2012, 12:26:14 AM
And if you want to hear the EXACT recording used in the film, it can be found on this compilation:
http://www.amazon.com/Great-American-Composers-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000003GE7/ (http://www.amazon.com/Great-American-Composers-Aaron-Copland/dp/B000003GE7/)
Too bad the excerpt used in the film wasn't included on the Complete Score release for convenience's sake. Ah, well.
Thanks for this tip - I've been trying to track that piece down for years!
Are you positive it is the same recording?
It is, I own it. Best of all, it's remastered and sounds great. Well, as great as a recording from the late 60's
can sound.
Alien+spanish+bootleg
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2012, 12:37:59 AM
Alien+spanish+bootleg
Crappy+sound+quality ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 02, 2012, 02:19:21 AM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi41.tinypic.com%2Fdfzxc2.jpg&hash=b3ae914a834997ece164d8ffda30f617e14b6672)
..>Dude. They're right under your red circle.
I believe @Cvalda is referring to the three central ovoids *above* the three 'vaginal' ovoids:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F28.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_l5o794B9tg1qza3qwo1_400.jpg&hash=5b3877b59d84c34ac676b078559b27778d68c23b)
They dont appear to feature on the 'new' derelict in Prometheus.
It is however only a minor detail that I would forgive and class along with other classic inconsistencies such as the the yellow 'Sulaco' logo in Alien3. :D
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 03, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
I believe @Cvalda is referring to the three central ovoids *above* the three 'vaginal' ovoids:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o794B9tg1qza3qwo1_400.jpg
Bingo.
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 03, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
I believe @Cvalda is referring to the three central ovoids *above* the three 'vaginal' ovoids:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o794B9tg1qza3qwo1_400.jpg
They dont appear to feature on the 'new' derelict in Prometheus.
It is however only a minor detail that I would forgive and class along with other classic inconsistencies such as the the yellow 'Sulaco' logo in Alien3. :D
Wow, I don't think I ever would have noticed those at all.
I quite liked the viral video, and I always enjoy this type of overconfident, arrogant speech when done fairly well. Pearce is pretty good at being arrogant and or evil, so I think this worked out pretty well.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 03, 2012, 06:19:05 PM
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 03, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
I believe @Cvalda is referring to the three central ovoids *above* the three 'vaginal' ovoids:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o794B9tg1qza3qwo1_400.jpg
They dont appear to feature on the 'new' derelict in Prometheus.
It is however only a minor detail that I would forgive and class along with other classic inconsistencies such as the the yellow 'Sulaco' logo in Alien3. :D
Wow, I don't think I ever would have noticed those at all.
I quite liked the viral video, and I always enjoy this type of overconfident, arrogant speech when done fairly well. Pearce is pretty good at being arrogant and or evil, so I think this worked out pretty well.
It is possible evidence that this is a different Space Jockey ship. The ship in the Promtheus trailer could be a slightly different "generation" of their interstellar vehicles. I mean, the newest Boeing 787 still looks very much like the original 707, to the first approximation...despite the fact that 50 years have elapsed between the two designs.
Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 03, 2012, 07:02:08 PMIt is possible evidence that this is a different Space Jockey ship.
That spare line of ovate entrances about the main three will grow later, in the following 30 years span between
Prometheus and
Alien ;D
Where can I listen to Goldsmith's score for closing titles? Just to compare (Khachaturyan's adajio sounds somewaht more relevant to series genre, than Hanson's Symphony, to me).
I think it's a different ship. The Jockey room platform is different. The prongs aren't as curved as the original.
On the recent subject of musical homages...
I watched 'Jaws' again last weekend on DVD. Total classic.
Anyways, close your eyes and listen to the first 40 seconds of this music clip from the Jaws soundtrack by John Williams. Feel the ALIEN Goldsmith! ;)
I wrapped the link in a spoiler because the youtube 'thumbnail image' may offend some folks (Robert Shaw getting nibbled by the shark!). Sorry.
Spoiler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsKafayLxw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsKafayLxw#)
Quote from: aliennaire on Mar 03, 2012, 07:19:49 PM
Where can I listen to Goldsmith's score for closing titles? Just to compare (Khachaturyan's adajio sounds somewaht more relevant to series genre, than Hanson's Symphony, to me).
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXIajUPnMc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXIajUPnMc#)
Great piece of music, but the Hanson piece works A LOT better.
Back on topic:
It is interesting that the one and only time Peter Weyland looks directly at the camera is when he delivers the line:
"we can create cybernetic individuals who, in just a few short years, will be completely indistinguishable from us."
----
Some food for thought on Eldon Tyrell from Blade Runner:
It was originally intended that following Roy Batty's execution of 'his maker', it was to be discovered that Tyrell was an android! A side chamber would have opened to reveal the real, terminally ill Tyrell in some kind of stasis pod...
Well, Rachel from BR was an attempt to make an android/replicant utterly indistinguishable from humans. At that point in time (2019), they weren't quite there yet.
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 03, 2012, 06:06:45 PM
I believe @Cvalda is referring to the three central ovoids *above* the three 'vaginal' ovoids:
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5o794B9tg1qza3qwo1_400.jpg
They dont appear to feature on the 'new' derelict in Prometheus.
It is however only a minor detail that I would forgive and class along with other classic inconsistencies such as the the yellow 'Sulaco' logo in Alien3. :D
Also, the derelict from
Alien had five 'openings' in the front of its portside 'fist' (the hammerhead shaped one). The ship in the
Prometheus trailer has none. Just another detail.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Mar 03, 2012, 10:47:46 PM
Also, the derelict from Alien had five 'openings' in the front of its portside 'fist' (the hammerhead shaped one). The ship in the Prometheus trailer has none. Just another detail.
Yeah, I noticed that too, but we never actually see those in the original film. So if it DOES end up as the same ship, it's not a big deal :P
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 29, 2012, 08:09:30 PM
Bat Chain has to stop in to refresh his love affair with the entire site. :laugh:
Brilliant observation, my man.
You whore, you. I'm going to remember when you finally slip up and say the wrong thing. Oh yes.
Hey Money. Welcome to the rest of the forum outside of TDKR thread, lol.
It's so vast and cold. I think I'll go back to TDKR now...
Because im the guy this thread deserves...but not the one it needs right now
Anywho Pearce's accent is incredible in the video. It shows class yet powerful superiority. Hard to believe he's sctually Australain with all the different accents he does in movies. The only one who surpasses him at this in my mind is Gary Oldman...
His accent, tone and delivery are all f**king flawless.
I love naturalistic acting, so his delivery of lines that sound like they're an after thought during the speech really impresses the hell outta me.
Not to mention the "We are the Gods now" goosebump inducing line
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 03, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
His accent, tone and delivery are all f**king flawless.
this
Quote from: x2SMONEY on Mar 03, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Anywho Pearce's accent is incredible in the video. It shows class yet powerful superiority. Hard to believe he's sctually Australain with all the different accents he does in movies. The only one who surpasses him at this in my mind is Gary Oldman...
and this.
Plus his accent isn't purely derived from being English (born in mumbai and an international business man) so the critique that his accent is off, is invalid, and barely noticeable anyway.
Always found it somewhat ironic that LA Confidential's two leads were Australians (neither of whom were actually born in Australia). ;D
Quote from: Pn2501 on Mar 03, 2012, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 03, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
His accent, tone and delivery are all f**king flawless.
this
Quote from: x2SMONEY on Mar 03, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Anywho Pearce's accent is incredible in the video. It shows class yet powerful superiority. Hard to believe he's sctually Australain with all the different accents he does in movies. The only one who surpasses him at this in my mind is Gary Oldman...
and this.
Plus his accent isn't purely derived from being English (born in mumbai and an international business man) so the critique that his accent is off, is invalid, and barely noticeable anyway.
There is nothing wrong with his accent. I just don't get that at all. Watch Crowe in Robin Hood.
That's a dodgy accent.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Mar 03, 2012, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 03, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
His accent, tone and delivery are all f**king flawless.
this
Quote from: x2SMONEY on Mar 03, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Anywho Pearce's accent is incredible in the video. It shows class yet powerful superiority. Hard to believe he's sctually Australain with all the different accents he does in movies. The only one who surpasses him at this in my mind is Gary Oldman...
and this.
Plus his accent isn't purely derived from being English (born in mumbai and an international business man) so the critique that his accent is off, is invalid, and barely noticeable anyway.
Yeah. It seems unique to the character. I just hope he gets more scenes in the movie.
Quote from: SM on Mar 03, 2012, 11:57:14 PM
Always found it somewhat ironic that LA Confidential's two leads were Australians (neither of whom were actually born in Australia). ;D
One of my top 25 favorite movies ;D
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 04, 2012, 12:00:26 AM
Quote from: Pn2501 on Mar 03, 2012, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 03, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
His accent, tone and delivery are all f**king flawless.
this
Quote from: x2SMONEY on Mar 03, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Anywho Pearce's accent is incredible in the video. It shows class yet powerful superiority. Hard to believe he's sctually Australain with all the different accents he does in movies. The only one who surpasses him at this in my mind is Gary Oldman...
and this.
Plus his accent isn't purely derived from being English (born in mumbai and an international business man) so the critique that his accent is off, is invalid, and barely noticeable anyway.
There is nothing wrong with his accent. I just don't get that at all. Watch Crowe in Robin Hood. That's a dodgy accent.
As I've already said; the people who were moaning about the accent aren't even English themselves and as such they're clueless as to what an English person actually sounds like. These people are the sort of numpties who think that the appalling "English" accents put on by dodgy American actors in shitty US sitcoms is the real deal.
They're ignorant; ignore them. ;)
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 01:19:58 AM
As I've already said; the people who were moaning about the accent aren't even English themselves and as such they're clueless as to what an English person actually sounds like. These people are the sort of numpties who think that the appalling "English" accents put on by dodgy American actors in shitty US sitcoms is the real deal.
They're ignorant; ignore them. ;)
::) My partner is English. I've lived in England. And for the record, when my partner also saw the vid, he thought Pearce's accent was hilariously bad.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 01:35:23 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 01:19:58 AM
As I've already said; the people who were moaning about the accent aren't even English themselves and as such they're clueless as to what an English person actually sounds like. These people are the sort of numpties who think that the appalling "English" accents put on by dodgy American actors in shitty US sitcoms is the real deal.
They're ignorant; ignore them. ;)
::) My partner is English. I've lived in England. And for the record, when my partner also saw the vid, he thought Pearce's accent was hilariously bad.
You failed to mention that your partner's deaf! ::)
From the sounds of it, your partner no longer resides in England and you yourself are not English. Whereas, I've lived in England for all of my life so I think that my ear is a little bit better attuned then your partners and certainly your own! On top of that, Peter Weyland was born in Mumbai, so any perceived discrepancies can be overlooked, yes? Quit looking for problems where there are none.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 01:45:44 AM
You failed to mention that your partner's deaf! ::)
If he were, I'm sure he'd still notice, considering Pearce's accent and entire performance are so hammy, forced and OTT that you could pick it up just by lip reading.
It doesn't matter. When Meryl Streep put on an Australian accent for A Cry In The Dark my friends who LIVE IN Australia had conflicting opinions. Some thought she was spot on, others thought her accent was laughable.
What's the whole point with this discussion anyway?
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 01:49:21 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 01:45:44 AM
You failed to mention that your partner's deaf! ::)
If he were, I'm sure he'd still notice, considering Pearce's accent and entire performance are so hammy, forced and OTT that you could pick it up just by lip reading.
There's not a chance that you're actually going to enjoy 'Prometheus', so I don't know why you'd even bother. I don't know, maybe you'll find amusement with your partner, slagging off perfectly respectful performances.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 01:52:10 AMWhat's the whole point with this discussion anyway?
In that case, what's the point with any discussion about a film we've yet to see?
I meant the discussion about Pearce's accent. It doesn't seem to serve a purpose. Conjecture about the actual film is one thing.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 01:52:46 AM
There's not a chance that you're actually going to enjoy 'Prometheus', so I don't know why you'd even bother. I don't know, maybe you'll find amusement with your partner, slagging off perfectly respectful performances.
Actually, I don't know who is more hammy and OTT--Guy Pearce or
you. ::)
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 01:54:57 AM
I meant the discussion about Pearce's accent. It doesn't seem to serve a purpose. Conjecture about the actual film is one thing.
Nope, it's all relative. One man's words are worthless to some and interesting to others. Besides, surely discussing the first performance we've seen from an actor involved with 'Prometheus' is a worthwhile topic of discussion. You know, because I generally view acting as an integral part of film.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 01:55:58 AM
Actually, I don't know who is more hammy and OTT--Guy Pearce or you. ::)
Uh-huh, and I don't know who's more critical; you or Gordon Ramsay!
I suppose now you're going to tell me that Chef Ramsay's English accent is phony sounding!
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 01:58:19 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 01:55:58 AM
Actually, I don't know who is more hammy and OTT--Guy Pearce or you. ::)
Uh-huh, and I don't know who's more critical and melodramatic; you or Gordon Ramsay!
Better to be critical where it's deserved than to just be a blinkered fanboy who's too blinded by excitement and expectation to actually bother casting a critical eye toward anything. ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 02:05:01 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 01:58:19 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 01:55:58 AM
Actually, I don't know who is more hammy and OTT--Guy Pearce or you. ::)
Uh-huh, and I don't know who's more critical and melodramatic; you or Gordon Ramsay!
Better to be critical where it's deserved than to just be a blinkered fanboy who's too blinded by excitement and expectation to actually bother casting a critical eye toward anything. ;)
Oh please, what a ridiculous statement!
Oh yeah, I'm such a fanboy. That would explain why I despise 'Alien: Resurrection', both 'AVP' movies and am somewhat resentful towards 'Aliens'.
Yep, I'm not in the least bit critical. Give me a break!
I'm not expecting the second coming with 'Prometheus'. In fact, I'm approaching it with a certain amount of caution. There are potential plot elements which I find to be disconcerting. I am excited to see the film but I'm well aware that it may not live up to expectations.
So, is there anything else that I'm innocent of, that you'd care to accuse me of? Or do you think you should leave it at "blinkered fanboy", hmm?
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 02:08:17 AM
So, is there anything else that I'm innocent of, that you'd care to accuse me of?
Well, certainly nothing as dumb as
"There's not a chance that you're actually going to enjoy 'Prometheus', so I don't know why you'd even bother." ::)
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 02:08:17 AM
So, is there anything else that I'm innocent of, that you'd care to accuse me of?
Well, certainly nothing as dumb as "There's not a chance that you're actually going to enjoy 'Prometheus', so I don't know why you'd even bother." ::)
Granted, that was a stupid statement to make. My apologies for that.
Actually, you know what? Arguments over a forum are pointless, they never lead anywhere good. All that will happen is things will get taken too far and a mod will have to step in. I don't believe we see eye to eye on things and I doubt that'll you'll mind me putting you on my ignore list, so let's just leave it there. Peace.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Mar 04, 2012, 02:17:18 AM
I don't believe we see eye to eye on things and I doubt that'll you'll mind me putting you on my ignore list, so let's just leave it there. Peace.
Don't mind at all! Ta ta.
It's a viral add campaign which had done it's job very well and Guy Pierce nails it. Reading Peter Weylands history I think this accent fits with who he is and his mannerisms fit his ego.
Pearce is awesome, you can really feel the arrogance of the character. I hope they keep building on this viral thing because this isn't really gonna make anyone other than alien purists excited for prometheus
So we have Nanotech and stuff... but we still don't have armor that can withstand intensely caustic acid?
I honestly didn't think his performance was too ott. It struck me as simply more akin to stage acting, which is appropriate given Weyland's venue, which would require projecting your voice at least a little...
Or I could just be talking out of my bum... :laugh:
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 04, 2012, 06:07:32 AM
I honestly didn't think his performance was too ott. It struck me as simply more akin to stage acting, which is appropriate given Weyland's venue, which would require projecting your voice at least a little...
Or I could just be talking out of my bum... :laugh:
No, you're perfectly right. He's gotta project and exaggerate because he's on a stage.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Mar 04, 2012, 05:30:22 AM
So we have Nanotech and stuff... but we still don't have armor that can withstand intensely caustic acid?
Interesting point. I suppose if you were of the crew of the Nostromo or Prometheus that you wouldn't be expecting to need it, but the crew of the Sulaco and Auriga should've been able to have something on hand. The marines in
Aliens could of at least been packing some titanium plating, even if they didn't believe Ripley's story.
-Chris
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Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 04, 2012, 06:07:32 AM
I honestly didn't think his performance was too ott. It struck me as simply more akin to stage acting, which is appropriate given Weyland's venue, which would require projecting your voice at least a little...
Or I could just be talking out of my bum... :laugh:
No, you're perfectly right. He's gotta project and exaggerate because he's on a stage.
Cool, I knew I was onto something. It reminds me of how early talkies can often feel ott and stagey, largely because Hollywood hired on stage actors with the advent of sound and they hadn't adjusted to the new medium. So with Weyland we're seeing a theatre performance in video form.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 04, 2012, 06:11:26 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 04, 2012, 06:07:32 AM
I honestly didn't think his performance was too ott. It struck me as simply more akin to stage acting, which is appropriate given Weyland's venue, which would require projecting your voice at least a little...
Or I could just be talking out of my bum... :laugh:
No, you're perfectly right. He's gotta project and exaggerate because he's on a stage.
He's on stage...in 2023...
There are robots hovering around him. It'd be silly to assume that they didn't have something to do with absorbing at least a portion of his sound and broadcasting it over a larger sound system.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 04, 2012, 07:41:57 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 04, 2012, 06:11:26 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 04, 2012, 06:07:32 AM
I honestly didn't think his performance was too ott. It struck me as simply more akin to stage acting, which is appropriate given Weyland's venue, which would require projecting your voice at least a little...
Or I could just be talking out of my bum... :laugh:
No, you're perfectly right. He's gotta project and exaggerate because he's on a stage.
He's on stage...in 2023...
There are robots hovering around him. It'd be silly to assume that they didn't have something to do with absorbing at least a portion of his sound and broadcasting it over a larger sound system.
He means that on stage he's acting like, well, an actor. Nothing to do with sound projection. Weyland's up his own ass, he's playing to the crowd, showing off, and loving every eye on him.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 03, 2012, 07:36:27 PMHere it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXIajUPnMc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXIajUPnMc#)
Great piece of music, but the Hanson piece works A LOT better.
Thanks, yes, it sounds great, and I'd apparently prefer Goldsmith's version of closing titles. Hanson's piece sounds opportune at time when Ripley observes Alien withdraw from the shuttle, due to its soothing tone, but Goldsmith's one has something unsettling to it.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 03, 2012, 07:21:27 PMI think it's a different ship. The Jockey room platform is different. The prongs aren't as curved as the original.
Don't worry, sarcophagus will grow there later too. ;D Well, I'm joking, of course, but the likelihood for a ship, which is of half-biological nature to transfigure itself are a way higher, than for an electonic and mechanical vessel to repaint its hull and remodel its chambers ;)
Well, regarding the topic, I reckon, Weylangd's stand-out arrogance was deliberately performed and he has something with a positive key up his sleeves (from the Lindelof's interview):
QuoteGuy Pearce is a brilliant actor — you basically just write the words and let the actor do what they're going to do with the words. And Peter Weyland's role is still a toss-up for the audience. They don't know what he's going to be in the movie, or how this talk relates to the movie. I do think that, if someone is going to be saying the things that this guy is saying, then there is a god complex inherent in the speech. Guy Pearce took that and ran with it, and I feel like that gives it a certain degree of entertaining power.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Mar 04, 2012, 05:30:22 AM
So we have Nanotech and stuff... but we still don't have armor that can withstand intensely caustic acid?
Intensely caustic acid from another world we can't possibly have analyzed before?
Buh.
f**king idiots! Why didn't they anticipate a creature with the most corrosive substance yet encountered for blood?
Quote from: SM on Mar 04, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
f**king idiots! Why didn't they anticipate a creature with the most corrosive substance yet encountered for blood?
Yeah! It seems IQs will drop sharply in the future. They should have guessed its chemical structure in order to make resistant armors. Fools!
The biggest problem here is Weyland's age. I'm not picky about this sort of stuff at all, but I just don't get how we can square "born at the turn of the millienium" with Pearce's age here. Is he really meant to be, say, 21/22? If so then Pearce is ridiculous casting, or at least choosing to do this particular viral video was daft.
Don't get me wrong, I really like the clip overall, it just seems odd to put a man clearly in his forties in a clip where he's meant to be so young. If he's NOT meant to be that age then what does that say about the accuracy of the biography?
Also: re-those leaked storyboards - hilarious bit of Ridley fvcking with us all. They don't look anything like real film set call sheets, yet they tallied up rather well with this clip...if you read some of the detail, it looks to me like they had a bit of a laugh making up highly unprofessional call sheets/storyboards to tease everyone. Lol.
That sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. Like people in their late 20's playing high school kids and looking nothing like the real-life counterpart.
Then again I honestly don't think he's TOO far off. I knew a guy who was 28 and you'd swear he was in his late 40's. (Heavy indulgent in smoking and drinking). All of that can be swept away when you consider the idea of new medications and things that could keep someone alive for a far longer stretch in just a couple decades. To me, unless it's hugely disproportionate its no different than having, say, Alan Rickman playing a German terrorist or Sean Connery playing a Russian. As long as the actor gives a good performance, it shouldn't really bother anyone.
There's also another explanation. He's probably under a lot of stress and pressure given his reputation and drive to do all the things he wants to. That can take a toll on anyone. You could be in your early 20's and look ten years old in the face because of all the stress.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 04, 2012, 01:38:38 PM
That sort of thing happens ALL THE TIME. Like people in their late 20's playing high school kids and looking nothing like the real-life counterpart.
Then again I honestly don't think he's TOO far off. I knew a guy who was 28 and you'd swear he was in his late 40's. (Heavy indulgent in smoking and drinking). All of that can be swept away when you consider the idea of new medications and things that could keep someone alive for a far longer stretch in just a couple decades. To me, unless it's hugely disproportionate its no different than having, say, Alan Rickman playing a German terrorist or Sean Connery playing a Russian. As long as the actor gives a good performance, it shouldn't really bother anyone.
There's also another explanation. He's probably under a lot of stress and pressure given his reputation and drive to do all the things he wants to. That can take a toll on anyone. You could be in your early 20's and look ten years old in the face because of all the stress.
Dude: watch it again and say to yourself: 21-year-old. And tell me that isn't the most ridiculous bit of non-age-appropriate casting you've ever seen. Of course the high-school-kids-in-their-twenties thing has been around forever, but that doesn't come close to the issue here. More though, he PLAYS it like a mature man-of-the-world. This plays like the speech of a man of 40ish. Now of course that could be the point - he's incredible precocious. But I still find it odd.
In terms of anti-ageing medications in the future - well yes, but then you'd expect him to be an older man looking younger, no? And yes, age is in the eye of the beholder (when I was a teenager anyone over 25 was basically "old") but this is really stretching it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really care and I love the clip, I just don't get the age thing. It feels to me they got a bit stuck between having to have him still alive/a certain age for Prometheus and also making the date of this speech tally with Pearce's actual age. I feel like they hoped people would overlook this obvious absurdity, which I basically do as it's an awesome clip, even if this one aspect feels a bit clunky.
"born at the turn of the millennium" can mean anywhere between 1980 through 2000. Using that, he looks the right age.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 02:12:19 PM
"born at the turn of the millennium" can mean anywhere between 1980 through 2000. Using that, he looks the right age.
And that's clearly the right answer - makes sense of it. Thank you! Just couldn't work out what they were trying to do otherwise...there are even forums on the web where people are arguing he has a fast-ageing disease or something.
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 04, 2012, 02:18:05 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 02:12:19 PM
"born at the turn of the millennium" can mean anywhere between 1980 through 2000. Using that, he looks the right age.
And that's clearly the right answer - makes sense of it. Thank you! Just couldn't work out what they were trying to do otherwise...there are even forums on the web where people are arguing he has a fast-ageing disease or something.
It is indeed the correct answer. To be perfectly honest, I'm slightly baffled as to why a fair few people automatically interpret "born at the turn of the millennium" as meaning "born in the year 1999/2000. If that were the case then they would have said "born at the beginning of this century".
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Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 02:12:19 PM
"born at the turn of the millennium" can mean anywhere between 1980 through 2000. Using that, he looks the right age.
And that's clearly the right answer - makes sense of it. Thank you! Just couldn't work out what they were trying to do otherwise...there are even forums on the web where people are arguing he has a fast-ageing disease or something.
It is indeed the correct answer. To be perfectly honest, I'm slightly baffled as to why a fair few people automatically interpret "born at the turn of the millennium" as meaning "born in the year 1999/2000. If that were the case then they would have said "born at the beginning of this century".
I can't really explain why either, I knew perfectly well what the term meant when I thought about it. I guess hungover posting can be as much of a hazard as drunk posting :-\
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 04, 2012, 02:26:51 PM
I guess hungover posting can be as much of a hazard as drunk posting :-\
Haha. So very, very true.
It's a deliberately ambiguous statement implying that he could be anywhere between 13 and 43 when that TED presentation takes place. Obviously we are meant to assume that it is nearer the higher age range. Even if he is in his 40s I still find it amazing that one man is responsible for so many advancements in technology, medicine, etc. He had to have had a helping hand somewhere along the line.
Those same people interpret 'DNA from ALIEN' as LITERAL DNA that we'll see in some kind of form. I don't get so much of the literal interpretation, but such is life. We're all different.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 02:48:49 PM
Those same people interpret 'DNA from ALIEN' as LITERAL DNA that we'll see in some kind of form. I don't get so much of the literal interpretation, but such is life. We're all different.
I should probably quit while I'm ahead, but there have actually been two quotes. The first talked about Prometheus containing "strands of DNA" from Alien, while the second one said "By the end of the third act you start to realize there's a DNA of the very first alien, but none of the subsequent aliens".
I think your interpretation is more likely, but I'm genuinely a bit uncertain as those quotes seem kind of ambiguous to me.
*Pours himself another bloody mary*
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 04, 2012, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 02:48:49 PM
Those same people interpret 'DNA from ALIEN' as LITERAL DNA that we'll see in some kind of form. I don't get so much of the literal interpretation, but such is life. We're all different.
I should probably quit while I'm ahead, but there have actually been two quotes. The first talked about Prometheus containing "strands of DNA" from Alien, while the second one said "By the end of the third act you start to realize there's a DNA of the very first alien, but none of the subsequent aliens".
I think your interpretation is more likely, but I'm genuinely a bit uncertain as those quotes seem kind of ambiguous to me.
*Pours himself another bloody mary*
Actually I agree with you, in as much as I think the "DNA' comment could go either way at this point.
But, as far as Peter Weyland's age goes, I don't for a second think that we're supposed to believe that he's in his early 20s.
I take 'the very first alien' meaning the film itself as opposed to the actual creature. But, who knows. I just want to be scared shitless.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 03:48:24 PM
I take 'the very first alien' meaning the film itself as opposed to the actual creature. But, who knows. I just want to be scared shitless.
Amen.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 03:48:24 PM
I take 'the very first alien' meaning the film itself as opposed to the actual creature. But, who knows. I just want to be scared shitless.
Just thinking out loud here, but if that is the correct interpretation, is that Scott saying this film will only be viable canon-wise in relation to the original film? If not, what does the quote mean?
I hope so. Much respect to Cambo for what he did....but the mythos left it's serious roots and turned into a testosterone-fueled pseudo-comedy summer blockbuster. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but it altered two of the next three films, so much so that they tried to recreate what Cameron did. Fincher was THE ONLY director who tried to right that wrong.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 04, 2012, 04:04:08 PM
I hope so. Much respect to Cambo for what he did....but the mythos left it's serious roots and turned into a testosterone-fueled pseudo-comedy summer blockbuster. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but it altered two of the next three films, so much so that they tried to recreate what Cameron did. Fincher was THE ONLY director who tried to right that wrong.
Interesting post on several counts - not least that you're seriously contemplating the fact that Ridley might de-canonise (if that's the right term) even Aliens! Hadn't read that idea before.
I'd never thought of the Fincher as an attempt to return to the original but I can see what you mean. My feeling, though, is that all four true canon Alien films (as I see them) are actually strikingly different from each other; and the message of Aliens (which I think is as good a film in its way as the original, albeit a very different type of movie) is that this is a flexible franchise - as long as the film has a clarity of vision (which Alien3 and AR both severely lacked), it can be taken in different directions and still work. Which is why Prometheus, as a not-too-literal prequel is such a good concept, for me at least.
I think to call the Cameron a pseudo-comedy is a stretch but I know what you mean! On a recent rewatch I did find Paxton a tad 80s, and not in a good way :-\
I kind of doubt that Ridley's "DNA" comment really means much more than we'll recognize ideas and concepts from the Alien franchise. I doubt even more that it means anything in relation to canon. Since it takes place before all of the other movies (AVP excepted), it neatly sidestep having to deal with anything that came after Alien. But if he does contradict Aliens in any significant way, than I'm out for blood.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 04, 2012, 05:30:19 PM
Since it takes place before all of the other movies (AVP excepted), it neatly sidestep having to deal with anything that came after Alien.
How does that work? Aliens added to the universe of Alien with all sorts of significant detail. Prometheus could respect that or not - I don't see how its prequel status contradicts that.
I honestly can't work out Ridley's DNA comments. I feel like if they literally refer to DNA then that's way too big of a spoiler given the level of secrecy around this film. But they still could be, so they're ambiguous.
Honestly though, after the fake storyboard/call sheet hybrids I think this viral campaign is capable of anything. Scott and various other producers are quite deliberately fvcking with us. Not that I'm complaining - I think it's kinda fun ;D
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 04, 2012, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 04, 2012, 05:30:19 PM
Since it takes place before all of the other movies (AVP excepted), it neatly sidestep having to deal with anything that came after Alien.
How does that work? Aliens added to the universe of Alien with all sorts of significant detail. Prometheus could respect that or not - I don't see how its prequel status contradicts that.
I honestly can't work out Ridley's DNA comments. I feel like if they literally refer to DNA then that's way too big of a spoiler given the level of secrecy around this film. But they still could be, so they're ambiguous.
Honestly though, after the fake storyboard/call sheet hybrids I think this viral campaign is capable of anything. Scott and various other producers are quite deliberately fvcking with us. Not that I'm complaining - I think it's kinda fun ;D
What I meant was that Prometheus doesn't need to address any of the developments the mythos underwent post-Alien. For example, if the origin of the xenomorph is explored in Prometheus, then maybe the first queen hasn't developed yet.
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Quote from: red_otter on Mar 04, 2012, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Mar 04, 2012, 05:30:19 PM
Since it takes place before all of the other movies (AVP excepted), it neatly sidestep having to deal with anything that came after Alien.
How does that work? Aliens added to the universe of Alien with all sorts of significant detail. Prometheus could respect that or not - I don't see how its prequel status contradicts that.
I honestly can't work out Ridley's DNA comments. I feel like if they literally refer to DNA then that's way too big of a spoiler given the level of secrecy around this film. But they still could be, so they're ambiguous.
Honestly though, after the fake storyboard/call sheet hybrids I think this viral campaign is capable of anything. Scott and various other producers are quite deliberately fvcking with us. Not that I'm complaining - I think it's kinda fun ;D
What I meant was that Prometheus doesn't need to address any of the developments the mythos underwent post-Alien. For example, if the origin of the xenomorph is explored in Prometheus, then maybe the first queen hasn't developed yet.
True, but I guess it'd still have to bear those developments in mind. I think Cameron, Fincher and Jeunet have still introduced headaches for Scott. Unless he really is just going back to the first film.
Who knows? I just went to the official website and can't beLIEVE it's 90-odd days til we get answers to this stuff. Grr.
Any film series with multiple directors is going to have mistakes and inconsistencies. That's the nature of the beast. But because Alien is a masterpiece, people seem to forget the rules still apply. You just gotta accept it, and rationalize the canon errors the best you can. Example: "The Alien Queen was a form of evolution, and the Aliens could have other means of creation." See, I just made that up, but if you want to include the egg creation scene from Alien, you gotta fill in the blanks yourself. I have a feeling Prometheus is going to be riddled with canon problems. Which leads me to another question: What is alot of your guys beef with Aliens? It's a great, well made, film and really turned Ripley into the character we think of today. In a few ways it excelled it's original, and should be commended for it. I just find it mind blowing so many "purists" think it's crap and should be erased from the canon.
It's a completely different film from the first, and I love it equally in its own right.
I don't think it's crap, not whatsoever. It's a brilliant film. I would just liken it to a comic book as opposed to a Shakespearean play that was the first film. I LOVE comic books by the way.
I think it's an overrated movie by an overrated director. Cameron makes iconic and completely awesome designs, that's for sure, but the movies themselves are actually nothing special. He's the master of cinematic eye candy. Just pisses me off about all the hype he gets, that's why I love how Avatar somewhat flopped since it kind of put the finger on Cameron's weakness. Aliens is just like that too. The movie ages really bad in the sense it gets campier and cheesier every time one watches it. The last 20 or so minutes of the movie are horrible (the powerloader fight annoys the hell out of me). Aliens got NOTHING on Alien. Sometimes I wish they used the Alien draft where Ripley dies in the end so that Aliens never was made, but that would've been a pity though since it means that there wouldn't be an Alien 3.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 04, 2012, 09:29:20 PM
I think it's an overrated movie by an overrated director. Cameron makes iconic and completely awesome designs, that's for sure, but the movies themselves are actually nothing special. He's the master of cinematic eye candy.
Not true. A lot of his movies are among the greatest blockbusters ever made (ALIENS, T2, Titanic). He is a master of the form. He is not a great
filmmaker by any stretch, but he is a genius
moviemaker--there is a difference between the two.
QuoteJust pisses me off about all the hype he gets, that's why I love how Avatar somewhat flopped since it kind of put the finger on Cameron's weakness.
It didn't flop--it's the
highest grossing motion picture of all time. Not that that's a reflection on the quality of the movie itself, I'm just sayin'.
QuoteAliens is just like that too. The movie ages really bad in the sense it gets campier and cheesier every time one watches it. The last 20 or so minutes of the movie are horrible (the powerloader fight annoys the hell out of me).
ALIENS definitely has some cheese fumes, and the last act is a direct carbon copy of the last act of the original film, but come on, it's an iconic scene in cinema with terrific effects and editing.
QuoteAliens got NOTHING on Alien.
This, however, is unequivocally true.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 04, 2012, 09:40:51 PM
Not true. A lot of his movies are among the greatest blockbusters ever made (ALIENS, T2, Titanic). He is a master of the form. He is not a great filmmaker by any stretch, but he is a genius moviemaker--there is a difference between the two.
I don't care about blockbusters. The only movie of his that I like is
Terminator. But you're right, he's a master of the form and thus a great movie-maker - Hollywood movie-maker, and that's why I find nothing special about his movies.
QuoteIt didn't flop--it's the highest grossing motion picture of all time. Not that that's a reflection on the quality of the movie itself, I'm just sayin'.
Money has nothing to do with it. I'm referring to how disappointed all Cameron fan-boys (including fan-boy critics) were after watching
Avatar.
QuoteALIENS definitely has some cheese fumes, and the last act is a direct carbon copy of the last act of the original film, but come on, it's an iconic scene in cinema with terrific effects and editing.
Godzilla is iconic too.
Quote
This, however, is unequivocally true.
:)
I would say that there is a big nod to Aliens by their forthright usage of the "Building Better Worlds" slogan. Unless this appears in the first film somewhere that I missed then Scott is making an effort to connect the mythos to some degree. And the new WY logo is far more like the Aliens version than the original.
-Chris
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 04, 2012, 09:29:20 PM
that's why I love how Avatar somewhat flopped since it kind of put the finger on Cameron's weakness.
Huh? That is like bizzaro-world talk. Did you come here from some alternate universe in which Avatar was considered a flop?
Edit: Oh, I see you were not speaking in terms of box-office ^
Nevermind
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 04, 2012, 09:29:20 PM
I think it's an overrated movie by an overrated director. Cameron makes iconic and completely awesome designs, that's for sure, but the movies themselves are actually nothing special. He's the master of cinematic eye candy. Just pisses me off about all the hype he gets, that's why I love how Avatar somewhat flopped since it kind of put the finger on Cameron's weakness. Aliens is just like that too. The movie ages really bad in the sense it gets campier and cheesier every time one watches it. The last 20 or so minutes of the movie are horrible (the powerloader fight annoys the hell out of me). Aliens got NOTHING on Alien. Sometimes I wish they used the Alien draft where Ripley dies in the end so that Aliens never was made, but that would've been a pity though since it means that there wouldn't be an Alien 3.
LoL
You talk a lot of bs about a great action movie and then you come with something crappy like Alien3.
you cant be takin seriously.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 04, 2012, 09:56:12 PM
LoL
You talk a lot of bs about a great action movie and then you come with something crappy like Alien3.
you cant be takin seriously.
Alien³ is awesome. 8)
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 04, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
I would say that there is a big nod to Aliens by their forthright usage of the "Building Better Worlds" slogan. Unless this appears in the first film somewhere that I missed then Scott is making an effort to connect the mythos to some degree. And the new WY logo is far more like the Aliens version than the original.
-Chris
Absolutely. Plus Sir Ridley is on record as stating that planet terra-forming will be a key aspect of Prometheus (which obviously was also key to Cameron's film). Peter Weyland's biography is another nod to the importance that terra-forming will play in this story.
QuoteBy the age of fourteen, he had already registered a dozen patents in a wide range of fields from biotech to robotics, but it would be his dynamic break-throughs in generating synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap that gained him worldwide recognition and spawned an empire.
Quote from: Infected on Mar 04, 2012, 09:56:12 PM
You talk a lot of bs about a great action movie and then you come with something crappy like Alien3.
you cant be takin seriously.
I really don't care about to be taken seriously by people who think that
Aliens is the best thing since sliced bread and that
Alien 3 is crap.
EDIT: Not going to continue this debate on this thread since it's off-topic (already two other threads on the Alien Films forum touching the subject). Sorry for opening up the can of worms y'all!
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 04, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
Quote from: Infected on Mar 04, 2012, 09:56:12 PM
You talk a lot of bs about a great action movie and then you come with something crappy like Alien3.
you cant be takin seriously.
I really don't care about to be taken seriously by people who think that Aliens is the best thing since sliced bread and that Alien 3 is crap.
EDIT: Not going to continue this debate on this thread since it's off-topic (already two other threads on the Alien Films forum touching the subject). Sorry for opening up the can of worms y'all!
Alien3 isnt completely bad,
it just never took off.
Quote from: Deuterium on Mar 04, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 04, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
I would say that there is a big nod to Aliens by their forthright usage of the "Building Better Worlds" slogan. Unless this appears in the first film somewhere that I missed then Scott is making an effort to connect the mythos to some degree. And the new WY logo is far more like the Aliens version than the original.
-Chris
Absolutely. Plus Sir Ridley is on record as stating that planet terra-forming will be a key aspect of Prometheus (which obviously was also key to Cameron's film). Peter Weyland's biography is another nod to the importance that terra-forming will play in this story.
QuoteBy the age of fourteen, he had already registered a dozen patents in a wide range of fields from biotech to robotics, but it would be his dynamic break-throughs in generating synthetic atmosphere above the polar ice cap that gained him worldwide recognition and spawned an empire.
Also the use of the blue credits font towards the end of the trailer. Which brings us back to the DNA comment, which I think may well be a reference to creature rather than movie as a result, although there are still other interpretations too.
As much as ALIEN and Alien3 are my two favorites, if there's any film that Ridley should nod to, it should be Aliens hands down. Yes, Cameron went big and devolved the brand (in the best way ever) he also really stayed true to who I believe Ripley is and where her journey was taking her, more then anyone else.
I'm hopeful that Prometheus picks up where Ridley left off.
I don't want to get bogged down in the whole Aliens/Alien 3 debate, so I'll just say this; in my opinion 'Alien 3' is a damn sight truer towards the vision of the original 'Alien' than 'Aliens' is. Everyone's entitled to there own opinion but I'd be lying if I said that it didn't irk me every time I hear words to the effect of "Aliens rulz, Alien 3 sux". How anyone who's a fan of Ridley's 'Alien' can watch the assembly cut of 'Alien 3' and say "that's crap" is beyond me!
I digress...
I was thinking about how cool it would be if we get a whole bunch of these viral videos in the style of the TED talk. I'm imagining that all of the viral media will be included on the Blu-Ray release. If that's the case then I can definitely see it becoming a routine for myself to watch all of those videos prior to watching 'Prometheus', every time I pop the disc in my player. The virals will hopefully act as a wonderful prelude to the actual film.
I'm curious about the next few virals. Maybe we'll get a set of videos working through the years leading up to Prometheus.
I rather wish the viral vid had been Vickers giving that speech. How awesome would that have been? I need some Theron in the next viral leak! I think her character is potentially the most interesting of the bunch.
St. Eddie what's up with the lips on Shaw in your signature pic? Lol
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 05, 2012, 01:18:01 AM
St. Eddie what's up with the lips on Shaw in your signature pic? Lol
Oh, right! Haha :laugh:
I used Photoshop to put that picture together (obviously) but I spent most of my time on the Space Jockey (which is a heavily modified version of the prophetic mask photo that leaked a while back). Unfortunately, I was tired by that point, so I rushed working on Noomi's lips to make it look as though she was scared (I couldn't find a shot of her looking side on and screaming); basically I screwed up!
I'd been meaning to redo Noomi's scream but I forgot about it, so thanks for reminding me. :)
I'll get started on that tomorrow.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 04, 2012, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 04, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
f**king idiots! Why didn't they anticipate a creature with the most corrosive substance yet encountered for blood?
Yeah! It seems IQs will drop sharply in the future. They should have guessed its chemical structure in order to make resistant armors. Fools!
You're both being pointlessly argumentative. We have had armor that can stop bullets for decades now. If I am an engineer, speculating on the kinds of dangers we may face in deep space exploration, you can bet your sweet bippy that I am going to make armor that can resist bullets, intense heat and... oh, yes, and ACID too.
Obviously nothing akin to whatever it is the Aliens are packing then.
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 03:19:42 AM
Obviously nothing akin to whatever it is the Aliens are packing then.
I don't know about that. Has the pH of their blood ever been clearly defined?
-12
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 03:25:06 AM
-12
That's really not too far outside the realm of anything we know of, because a pH of zero would be Battery acid, right? pH is just the indicator of the amount of concentration of hydrogen ions. I admit, I don't completely understand the base-acid scale that well, but seems to me that if Peter Weyland is talking about how FAR we've come in just the past thousand years and all the subsequent advances in the past 20-30 years... we'd have armor that could deflect God.
i can haz God deflecting armourz plz?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2011%2F03%2F15%2Farticle-0-0B2D7C2600000578-689_964x641.jpg&hash=e51b6a318bbdb98e414137ab827c1f58c6de82bb)
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 03:30:26 AM
i can haz God deflecting armourz plz?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2011%2F03%2F15%2Farticle-0-0B2D7C2600000578-689_964x641.jpg&hash=e51b6a318bbdb98e414137ab827c1f58c6de82bb)
Oh! Dude! Too soon!
Too tsunami...
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 03:38:49 AM
Too tsunami...
Dahhhh!!!! I'm telling the society of people for sensitivity for the Japanese.(SPFSJ)
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 03:38:49 AM
Too tsunami...
QuoteDahhhh!!!! I'm telling the society of people for sensitivity for the Japanese.(SPFSJ)
Disgusting.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Mar 05, 2012, 03:28:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 03:25:06 AM
-12
That's really not too far outside the realm of anything we know of, because a pH of zero would be Battery acid, right? pH is just the indicator of the amount of concentration of hydrogen ions. I admit, I don't completely understand the base-acid scale that well, but seems to me that if Peter Weyland is talking about how FAR we've come in just the past thousand years and all the subsequent advances in the past 20-30 years... we'd have armor that could deflect God.
Fluoroantimonic acid has a PH of around -25 and can be resisted by Teflon.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 05, 2012, 04:31:18 AM
Quote from: Gunflyer on Mar 05, 2012, 03:28:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 03:25:06 AM
-12
That's really not too far outside the realm of anything we know of, because a pH of zero would be Battery acid, right? pH is just the indicator of the amount of concentration of hydrogen ions. I admit, I don't completely understand the base-acid scale that well, but seems to me that if Peter Weyland is talking about how FAR we've come in just the past thousand years and all the subsequent advances in the past 20-30 years... we'd have armor that could deflect God.
Fluoroantimonic acid has a PH of around -25 and can be resisted by Teflon.
-Chris
Interesting...
Aliens is an utter thrill ride and one of the best movies ever made, so well-liked and well-remembered because it's more than just a dumb Michael Bay-style action film. The film takes Ripley and transforms her into one of the best, well-rounded, and most memorable action heroines of all time, and her emotional course through the film and her relationship with Newt is awesomely done, providing a far better character arc than any of Bay's films or her redundant course in Alien Cubed. The thing is directed with such pace and shot so well that it creates more than a film, but an experience. The power-loader vs. Queen fight definitely takes a step in the "WTF" direction, but by then the movie has already cast its dice into the "larger than life" category, and so the fight is utterly kick-**s, and one of the rousing, true great climaxes in movie history. And this is how the film will be remembered. I respect your opinion, Alien Cubed fans, but just as I must accept that AVP1 is hated and despised by many, so too should you consider that Aliens will be remembered as the above description for centuries to come. And no, I'm not forcing my opinion on you or any of that authoritarian BS, I'm just saying. Feel free to choose to deny Aliens' success, if it pleases you and makes you happy, and I'm serious.
Wait, was this a thread about the TEDTalk thing, or another Aliens vs. Alien Cubed bashing thread? I don't remember.
It'd just got back on track to the former...
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 05:35:30 AM
It'd just got back on track to the former...
Darn, late again! Please continue with anti-acid armor and stuffs.
People should remember when Cameron was asked If he had watched the recent starship troopers film (when It was released in 1997), and the interviewer was replied with this:
"What did they do this film?, I already did It in 1986"
Now think on the aliens being so weak and retarded; why the queen, the hive stuff, the bug-like arach..., I mean alien warriors; why the marines, the dropships, the pulse rifles, etc. Aliens was a wonderful sequel, but Alien was the original masterpiece, and imho It was much better and overall interesting movie than Its sequel, as It usually happens If you ask me btw. Don't get me wrong, but I won't shed one tear If "Aliens" ends up being discarded eventually too; quite the opposite, I would be happy to witness that.
I want the malevolent biomechanical form of whoever the unlucky host is (this time) back. No more starship troopers with arach..., I mean alien warriors, though I'm expecting the first form of alien, the original creature I mean being in Prometheus this time, and I think they will be some sort of huge serpents before they gain their biomechanical body thanks to the fusion with one of those engineers.
I am confused. Is it Charles Weyland or Peter Weyland? Is it the same person or they somehow related?
Let's keep on topic (that is - Peter Weyland and the viral video). You can discuss Aliens or what you want for Prometheus in their relevant threads.
Aliens: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42292.msg1297831#new (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42292.msg1297831#new)
Prometheus: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42345.msg1298101;topicseen#msg1298101 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42345.msg1298101;topicseen#msg1298101)
Quote from: szkoki on Mar 05, 2012, 11:07:34 AM
I am confused. Is it Charles Weyland or Peter Weyland? Is it the same person or they somehow related?
Peter Weyland in Prometheus, a different character Charles in AVP. Peter has supplanted Charles, writing him out of canon. Or, if you prefer, Charles is somehow related to Peter in an unspecified way that the filmmakers of Prometheus didn't think was important enough to reveal (maybe was was ignored for a reason...)
So...is the full name of the guy in Alien 3 Michael Bishop Weyland? :o
When do people think that we'll be receiving the next piece of viral marketing?
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 05, 2012, 04:35:38 PM
So...is the full name of the guy in Alien 3 Michael Bishop Weyland? :o
Um, actually I believe that according to the film itself (which is really the only reliable source of canon), his name was simply "Bishop II". The name "Michael Bishop Weyland" sounds like some sort of EU bollocks to me, or perhaps it was from an earlier draft of the Alien 3 script?
Michael Bishop was from the novelization. He was never a "Weyland." Just another employee.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Mar 05, 2012, 08:58:27 PMMichael Bishop was from the novelization. He was never a "Weyland." Just another employee.
That's right, in Alien 3 it actually made some kind of sense.
-Chris
Michael Bishop was from a trading card - not the script or novelisation.
No "Weyland".
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 10:47:47 PM
Michael Bishop was from a trading card - not the script or novelisation.
No "Weyland".
bahahha trading cards, i have to say i enjoy these "personal cannon" discussions.
Quote from: SM on Mar 05, 2012, 10:47:47 PM
Michael Bishop was from a trading card - not the script or novelisation.
No "Weyland".
I figured this was the case. So, who the frak came up with the "Micheal Bishop
Weyland" bollocks then? Some deluded fanboy I bet.
The Weyland Corp (https://www.weylandindustries.com/) website has been updated with new content. You can now register to receive updates, etc.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 05, 2012, 11:40:58 PM
The Weyland Corp (https://www.weylandindustries.com/) website has been updated with new content. You can now register to receive updates, etc.
Cheers for the heads up!
-Chris
I love the subtle Weyland logo design in the fingerprint. I would imagine this is to signify that the android was made by Weyland Corp?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 05, 2012, 11:50:50 PMI love the subtle Weyland logo design in the fingerprint. I would imagine this is to signify that the android was made by Weyland Corp?
Yep, that's my thought as well. There is a glut of content on there to be dissected... brilliant!
In less than a decade, Weyland Corporation became a worldwide leader in emerging technologies and launched the first privatized industrial mission to leave the planet Earth.-Chris
Where is the glut of content?
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Mar 05, 2012, 11:54:49 PMWhere is the glut of content?
A comparative glut ;D Check the About Us page though, interesting info on the Company. 837.53 million employees, jeez.
-Chris
I don't like that in 50 years they are already "Building better worlds" throughout the solar system. It's far too quick. The idea that they are building worlds works in ALIENS because it's set over 50 years after ALIEN.
I was really hoping that this movie would be the FIRST deep space mission that the human race has undertook. Now that's lost for me. And the whole thing is far too Dharma Initiative. I don't like the modern world featuring in an ALIEN movie through the Internet.
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Have to say I agree. :-\
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
I don't like that in 50 years they are already "Building better worlds" throughout the solar system. It's far too quick. The idea that they are building worlds works in ALIENS because it's set over 50 years after ALIEN.
I was really hoping that this movie would be the FIRST deep space mission that the human race has undertook. Now that's lost for me. And the whole thing is far too Dharma Initiative. I don't like the modern world featuring in an ALIEN movie through the Internet.
50 years is too quick to be having colonies in the solar system? Why?
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:06:25 AMI don't like that in 50 years they are already "Building better worlds" throughout the solar system. It's far too quick.
I think one of the things that the speech was attempting to hi-lite was how quickly technology has been advancing in the last few decades. It is commonly referred to as exponential growth (which it isn't really) so if you imagine that this advancement continues apace then things could happen in fairly short amounts of time.
-Chris
Quote from: SM on Mar 06, 2012, 12:12:15 AM
50 years is too quick to be having colonies in the solar system? Why?
Because we aren't anywhere near that kind of technology now. And the way the world economy is going (and has gone--any hope for space travel started dying in the 70s and was killed off in the 80s) we probably won't be by then, if ever. Space exploration is a dying dream.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 12:13:48 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:06:25 AMI don't like that in 50 years they are already "Building better worlds" throughout the solar system. It's far too quick.
I think one of the things that the speech was attempting to hi-lite was how quickly technology has been advancing in the last few decades. It is commonly referred to as exponential growth (which it isn't really) so if you imagine that this advancement continues apace then things could happen in fairly short amounts of time.
-Chris
Yeah. It's 60-odd years from now (in a fictional universe no less).
Once you'd set up a lunar base, you could conceivably do it on any of the other moons in the solar system. And if they're talking about terraforming - they all you could really do is Venus, Mars and Titan I think. The trick is doing it in a way that's cost effective and obviously by 2073 this fictional company has done just that.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 06, 2012, 12:12:15 AM
50 years is too quick to be having colonies in the solar system? Why?
Because we aren't anywhere near that kind of technology now. And the way the world economy is going (and has gone--any hope for space travel started dying in the 70s and was killed off in the 80s) we probably won't be by then, if ever. Space exploration is a dying dream.
The privatization of space is something that has been happening already and is picking up pace today. The Weyland Corp site mentions that
"Weyland Corporation became a worldwide leader in emerging technologies and launched the first privatized industrial mission to leave the planet Earth." This is not NASA but a giant conglomeration with virtually endless resources.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 12:21:44 AM
The privatization of space is something that has been happening already and is picking up pace today.
Not really. And certainly nothing on the scale of achieving
63 colonies in the space of seventy measly years. We haven't even set foot on the moon since 1972. The technology boom of the mid-20th century has slowed to a crawl--the biggest advances we've made have been in
gadgets. We haven't even been able to come up with decent alternative to fossil fuels yet.
Still, it's science fiction and will all depend on the execution, I suppose. We'll see.
The worrying explanation for the accelerated 'quantum leap' in technological achievement is that Weyland Corp has already found and decoded (stolen?) some elements of Space Jockey technology. It was mentioned in the TED talk metadata that there was a 3 year media blackout prior to the announcement that Weyland wanted to change the world. That could possibly be the time period when the rumoured archaeological dig happened. Star maps, novel space travel technology etc. Kind of like the blueprints for 'the machine' from Contact.
Lets face it, that was effectively the story in Terminator 2 - a piece of future technology winding up in the present day, giving Cyberdyne cutting edge technology 'that we would never have thought of' etc.
I dont like the idea but it certainly gives a reason for Peter Weyland to bring up Prometheus in his speech. Also the mention of his mother, being a Professor of Comparative Mythology. She could be a factor in the tracing and decoding of the knowledge.
And of course, the naming of the starship as "Prometheus".
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 06, 2012, 12:48:13 AM
The worrying explanation for the accelerated 'quantum leap' in technological achievement is that Weyland Corp has already found and decoded (stolen?) some elements of Space Jockey technology. It was mentioned in the TED talk metadata that there was a 3 year media blackout prior to the announcement that Weyland wanted to change the world. That could possibly be the time period when the rumoured archaeological dig happened. Star maps, novel space travel technology etc. Kind of like the blueprints for 'the machine' from Contact.
Lets face it, that was effectively the story in Terminator 2 - a piece of future technology winding up in the present day, giving Cyberdyne cutting edge technology 'that we would never have thought of' etc.
I dont like the idea but it certainly gives a reason for Peter Weyland to bring up Prometheus in his speech. Also the mention of his mother, being a Professor of Comparative Mythology. She could be a factor in the tracing and decoding of the knowledge.
And of course, the naming of the starship as "Prometheus".
Yes I think that may come into play. I don't mind it so much though, as long as they leave out the time travel bits.
-Chris
The Yanks launched Al Shephered into space in 1961 and then landed on the moon 8 years later.
Be a shame if they went down that Chariots of the Gods road - though it all depends on how it's handled.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 12:31:18 AM
Not really.
Yes. Really. There have been dozens of manned and unmanned pet projects coming into fruition in the last ten years. Corporations are talking about their own private fleets for tourism and business. Talks of private citizens going into space. There are even many people hitting the high side of forty working together to be the first to colonize Mars if and when that mission begins. Their goal is to spend the rest of their lives on Mars, paving the way as proverbial Johnny Appleseed's for the next generation of human beings to live on Mars.
There are plans, and where NASA is starting to fade, others
are looking to the sky. China and Russia are
very interested in space, and though nothing is yet concrete, they are planning things. Other, smaller nations have been planning various unmanned and manned missions back to the moon and mars for the last fifteen years. Just because it's not happening "yet" does not mean we won't see a huge BOOM within the next
half a century. An awful lot can, and does, happen in half a century.
if the house of cards that is the economy doesn't crumble first.
realistic or not, it's not the first time Sci-fi turns out to be wrong. we've got to asume it's a different reality with different things happening. because that's what fiction is.
Quote from: 180924609 on Mar 06, 2012, 12:48:13 AM
The worrying explanation for the accelerated 'quantum leap' in technological achievement is that Weyland Corp has already found and decoded (stolen?) some elements of Space Jockey technology. It was mentioned in the TED talk metadata that there was a 3 year media blackout prior to the announcement that Weyland wanted to change the world. That could possibly be the time period when the rumoured archaeological dig happened. Star maps, novel space travel technology etc. Kind of like the blueprints for 'the machine' from Contact.
This makes sense. Although if true, I feel like they would be trying to make things overly complicated to seem smart. I'd feel better about them just pacing the historical evolution of technology at a more reasonable pace.
But it's science fiction right! Although I always like when science fiction seems plausible.
Don't think we're going to have Nexus 6 replicants hijacking off world shuttles anytime soon.
all of Blade Runner's problems can be solved by replacing a zero with a one in the date.
And factoring in the miraculous return of Pan Am and Atari.
Is it strange for what was originally supposed to be an English company to have it's HQ in the US (San Francisco), according to the website? Unless Weyland Corp is now considered an American company.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2012, 01:02:30 AM
Yes. Really. There have been dozens of manned and unmanned pet projects coming into fruition in the last ten years. Corporations are talking about their own private fleets for tourism and business. Talks of private citizens going into space. There are even many people hitting the high side of forty working together to be the first to colonize Mars if and when that mission begins. Their goal is to spend the rest of their lives on Mars, paving the way as proverbial Johnny Appleseed's for the next generation of human beings to live on Mars.
Companies have been talking the same talk since the 90's--if not before. And it has never come to fruition.
Talk is cheap. There is not enough demand for private spaceflight, especially in this economy. Take, for example, Bigelow Aerospace, whom the press was all excited for--
Private spaceflight! Manned space habitats! Ain't gonna happen. The company laid off many of its employees last year, and came out and said there is no chance of their goals being achieved anytime soon, at least not within the next decade.
Let's face it--there is no money in space. When corporations can conceivably find a way to make lots and lots of money in space to pay for the insane amounts of cash it's going to take to build all these ships, life support systems, habitats, terraforming technologies, etc, then
maybe we'll have a future beyond this planet. But for the time being, in the decades to come the only people going up into space are going to be super-rich blowhard tourists and an increasingly dwindling number of scientists.
Of course, you're view is probably more optimistic. I guess we'll just have to see what happens :P A more interesting argument is whether we should even start moving out into space in the first place...
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Mar 06, 2012, 01:11:47 AM
Is it strange for what was originally supposed to be an English company to have it's HQ in the US (San Francisco), according to the website? Unless Weyland Corp is now considered an American company.
it's probably more profitable to be right next to all the possible economic allies, subsidiaries and inversionists. America is the world's largest fair.
Quote from: SM on Mar 06, 2012, 01:11:13 AM
And factoring in the miraculous return of Pan Am and Atari.
i asume future people will think old junk is cool just like we do. then someone decides to buy a dusty trademark and do weird things with it. business as usual.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Mar 06, 2012, 01:11:47 AM
Is it strange for what was originally supposed to be an English company to have it's HQ in the US (San Francisco), according to the website? Unless Weyland Corp is now considered an American company.
It was founded by a Pom. Better than nothing. News Corp was originally an Australian company but is now based in Delaware.
It does conform to the Tokyo, London, San Fran, Sea of Tranquility, Thedus thing from the blu-rays though.
Quotei asume future people will think old junk is cool just like we do. then someone decides to buy a dusty trademark and do weird things with it. business as usual.
f**kin' hipsters...
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:16:04 AMWhen corporations can conceivably find a way to make lots and lots of money in space to pay for the insane amounts of cash it's going to take to build all these ships, life support systems, habitats, terraforming technologies, etc, then maybe we'll have a future beyond this planet.
Mining, hence the Nostromo and presumably other ships of it's type. And remember that the viral is suggesting that Peter Weyland reveals something world changing so using the world as it is now as a starting point is useless IMO. In the next 11 years something big changes it into the fictional world of the Alien series.
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 01:20:27 AM
Mining, hence the Nostromo. And remember that the viral is suggesting that Peter Weyland reveals something world changing so using the world as it is now as a starting point is useless IMO. Something big changes it into the fictional world of the Alien series.
There ain't exactly much to mine in our solar system, unless we want to go destroy Mars looking for oil :P
I really hope that "big change" is sufficiently plausible :-\
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 01:20:27 AM
Mining, hence the Nostromo. And remember that the viral is suggesting that Peter Weyland reveals something world changing so using the world as it is now as a starting point is useless IMO. Something big changes it into the fictional world of the Alien series.
There ain't exactly much to mine in our solar system, unless we want to go destroy Mars looking for oil :P I really hope that "big change" is sufficiently plausible :-\
But they aren't mining our solar system in
Alien, they are way out in the boondocks. And in order to do that they must have FTL, which is
entirely implausible. We are already in fantasy land, no reason to get picky now. :P
-Chris
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 01:28:52 AM
But they aren't mining our solar system in Alien, they are way out in the boondocks. And in order to do that they must have FTL, which is entirely implausible. We are already in fantasy land, no reason to get picky now. :P
I meant in terms of our real world. :P Oh well, hopefully it all makes sense comes June. *sigh*
"Weyland engineers have been working around the clock to bring you the newest, most advanced addition to the Weyland family. Stay tuned for a special announcement."
Perhaps the ship herself?
That's it, this viral campaign has me by the short-hairs. ;D
-Chris
I was assuming it were the androids, but I think you could be right.
They just updated the weylandindustries.com site and we can sign up to be notified of new developments by creating an account there. I just did that and am eagerly awaiting whatever news they are ready to share.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 06, 2012, 03:26:34 AM
They just updated the weylandindustries.com site and we can sign up to be notified of new developments by creating an account there. I just did that and am eagerly awaiting whatever news they are ready to share.
You're a couple pages late to the party :P
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
There ain't exactly much to mine in our solar system, unless we want to go destroy Mars looking for oil :P
I really hope that "big change" is sufficiently plausible :-\
I think the bajillion rocks that have crashed into Mars and whatever ancient atmosphere the planet had that is so very thin these days have already "destroyed" Mars. Unless you're really implying the barren rock is somehow sacred with this sarcastic remark.
I say drill the Hell out of Mars!
Mining is actually exactly what Mars needs. Anything to create more greenhouse gases and thicken that atmosphere up.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:16:04 AM
Companies have been talking the same talk since the 90's--if not before. And it has never come to fruition. Talk is cheap. There is not enough demand for private spaceflight, especially in this economy. Take, for example, Bigelow Aerospace, whom the press was all excited for--Private spaceflight! Manned space habitats! Ain't gonna happen. The company laid off many of its employees last year, and came out and said there is no chance of their goals being achieved anytime soon, at least not within the next decade.
Let's face it--there is no money in space. When corporations can conceivably find a way to make lots and lots of money in space to pay for the insane amounts of cash it's going to take to build all these ships, life support systems, habitats, terraforming technologies, etc, then maybe we'll have a future beyond this planet. But for the time being, in the decades to come the only people going up into space are going to be super-rich blowhard tourists and an increasingly dwindling number of scientists.
Of course, you're view is probably more optimistic. I guess we'll just have to see what happens :P A more interesting argument is whether we should even start moving out into space in the first place...
The cold, harsh reality of space exploration. Urgh, that was painful to read but true. :(
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 01:20:27 AM
Mining, hence the Nostromo. And remember that the viral is suggesting that Peter Weyland reveals something world changing so using the world as it is now as a starting point is useless IMO. Something big changes it into the fictional world of the Alien series.
There ain't exactly much to mine in our solar system, unless we want to go destroy Mars looking for oil :P
I really hope that "big change" is sufficiently plausible :-\
I never quite saw the point of the Nostromo, why send a ship light years from Earth when we have more than enough asteroids in our own back yard.
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Mar 06, 2012, 10:26:15 AM
I never quite saw the point of the Nostromo, why send a ship light years from Earth when we have more than enough asteroids in our own back yard.
...
Unobtainium ;D
But seriously, there's a lot of reasons they could be mining that far out in space. That's where fanwank comes in ;)
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Mar 06, 2012, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 01:20:27 AM
Mining, hence the Nostromo. And remember that the viral is suggesting that Peter Weyland reveals something world changing so using the world as it is now as a starting point is useless IMO. Something big changes it into the fictional world of the Alien series.
There ain't exactly much to mine in our solar system, unless we want to go destroy Mars looking for oil :P
I really hope that "big change" is sufficiently plausible :-\
I never quite saw the point of the Nostromo, why send a ship light years from Earth when we have more than enough asteroids in our own back yard.
assuming we haven't mined them all already?
Sorry to interrupt but has anyone noticed that the image of Earth on the site contains a single blinking star... anyone know morse code?
before you guys think it's probably nothing, note that the single pixel for the blinking star has an interesting name given to it:
https://www.weylandindustries.com/img/findme.gif (https://www.weylandindustries.com/img/findme.gif)
It says "I Luv Justin Bieber"... ??? ??? ???
There is indeed a single blinking star, nice spot. I'm guessing that's the direction they are heading in Prometheus.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Mar 05, 2012, 03:17:38 AM
If I am an engineer, speculating on the kinds of dangers we may face in deep space exploration, you can bet your sweet bippy that I am going to make armor that can resist bullets, intense heat and... oh, yes, and ACID too.
I'll re-iterate: an acid which is the blood of an otherwordly creature we have
never had the chance to analyze properly?
As an aside, I feel it is entirely mandatory for us to go further out into space in the future, even if its only colonising Mars and some moons of Jupiter; one day our Sun is going to peter out and die, taking Mercury, Venus and Earth with it.
With the sun gone aswell, even if we have colonised as far as Jupiter's moons, we still have to think about the problems of no heat and light from the Sun, no solar energy and an alternative has to be found.
A great story in the manga 2001 Nights had a ship travel protected in an asteroid of ice at STL speed to find another Earth-like planet to colonise. The humans on the ship were frozen samples to be made into fetus' and raised on ship by androids when they reached a planet and spent some time in orbit until the babies grew to a suitable age.
Heres the twist;
Spoiler
the ancestor of the donors for the ship in the future tracked where the ship would head and used their FTL ship to terraform the planet and then left, leaving it a beautiful garden world for them, hundreds of years before the ship above reached it.
8) In all seriousness though, we are a doomed race if we do not reach out to space to move home before our Sun dies.
Only got about 5 billion years to do something about it!
One problem with colonising Jupiters moons is the radiation.
We're a long way from colonising anything unfortunately. Even our own moon is out of reach at the moment :(
What would you all think if all the Weyland technology is stolen from the gods?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2012, 11:34:59 AM
Quote from: Gunflyer on Mar 05, 2012, 03:17:38 AM
If I am an engineer, speculating on the kinds of dangers we may face in deep space exploration, you can bet your sweet bippy that I am going to make armor that can resist bullets, intense heat and... oh, yes, and ACID too.
I'll re-iterate: an acid which is the blood of an otherwordly creature we have never had the chance to analyze properly?
Acids be acids. It must be some other corrosive substance. The humans call it an acid because that's how it appears to them. Unless the future military isn't ready for Teflon.
-Chris
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 06, 2012, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Mar 06, 2012, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 01:20:27 AM
Mining, hence the Nostromo. And remember that the viral is suggesting that Peter Weyland reveals something world changing so using the world as it is now as a starting point is useless IMO. Something big changes it into the fictional world of the Alien series.
There ain't exactly much to mine in our solar system, unless we want to go destroy Mars looking for oil :P
I really hope that "big change" is sufficiently plausible :-\
I never quite saw the point of the Nostromo, why send a ship light years from Earth when we have more than enough asteroids in our own back yard.
assuming we haven't mined them all already?
A single asteroid could contain more precious metals than all that has been mined from the Earth in our history. And as there are thousands of asteroids...
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:16:04 AM
Of course, you're view is probably more optimistic. I guess we'll just have to see what happens :P A more interesting argument is whether we should even start moving out into space in the first place...
The answer to that is easy. Yes. We either do, or the human race dies. There's no if about it. It's a when. The dinosaurs are our warning.
I consider the economic downturn to be exactly what it is. A temporary, painful thing we have to go through. We've seen this before. Economies go up, they go down, they come back up again. The only difference is the severity and length in the dips and spikes. We'll come back up again. Faster, if we find someone who creates something revolutionary. (Creates something that plants the seeds for new industry). Something like a new power source.
So I think in that respect the movie/this viral video are not too far off the track from what we need. A man with vision and ambition. (we need many men and women like that willing to put their hears, minds, and money into space.)
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Mar 06, 2012, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 06, 2012, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: bunnyavpg on Mar 06, 2012, 10:26:15 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 06, 2012, 01:20:27 AM
Mining, hence the Nostromo. And remember that the viral is suggesting that Peter Weyland reveals something world changing so using the world as it is now as a starting point is useless IMO. Something big changes it into the fictional world of the Alien series.
There ain't exactly much to mine in our solar system, unless we want to go destroy Mars looking for oil :P
I really hope that "big change" is sufficiently plausible :-\
I never quite saw the point of the Nostromo, why send a ship light years from Earth when we have more than enough asteroids in our own back yard.
assuming we haven't mined them all already?
A single asteroid could contain more precious metals than all that has been mined from the Earth in our history. And as there are thousands of asteroids...
what if they are all already owned by other companies? what if there was a massive war that destroyed many of them? what if our assumptions on their composition are wrong? or perhaps there's something specific that our asteroids don't have much of, but other ones in other systems do? since it is never mentioned we can never know, but you just have to suspend your disbelief.
i'm surprised you guys aren't talking about the findme.gif
people over here are going nuts about it
http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/comment/6732#Comment_6732 (http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/comment/6732#Comment_6732)
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
What would you all think if all the Weyland technology is stolen from the gods?
well, it certainly looks as if they're going to have to find a previously unrealised technology to get the spacetugs tramping around the galaxy ten years before 2079 or whenever Alien is set. Ridley thought it was rather cheeky to imagine technology leaping that far so soon when he was asked about it during the Blade Runner interviews so perhaps that technology might have to leap into the story from somewhere else
I think it's curious that Weyland Industries from AVP is being used as part of the viral promotion. Do they intend to use it as part of the movie's actual cannon though?
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Just don't pay the viral stuff too much attention then. I doubt there'll be too much of this sort of detail in the movie, the idea is just to drum up interest.
If that flickering star isn't morse code then it's damn well trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, because it's on a loop (I think) and the pattern fits entirely with morse code. It also stops blinking all together after a while.
I'll be damned if I can get much though. Not sure why but I'm finding it very very hard to keep track. The ones I'm surest of (and I don't know where they come in the sequence) is a 5 followed by an L. That's come back consistently every time I've tried to keep track.
More to follow no doubt, and of course this could easily be a wild goose chase even if it IS morse code!
I just checked the site again, and I noticed the background now has bulges in it that move to the side on the about us page.
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 06, 2012, 12:07:24 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Have to say I agree. :-\
Hey, I found the info email and I'm scared to send something to them.
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 06, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Just don't pay the viral stuff too much attention then. I doubt there'll be too much of this sort of detail in the movie, the idea is just to drum up interest.
If that flickering star isn't morse code then it's damn well trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, because it's on a loop (I think) and the pattern fits entirely with morse code. It also stops blinking all together after a while.
I'll be damned if I can get much though. Not sure why but I'm finding it very very hard to keep track. The ones I'm surest of (and I don't know where they come in the sequence) is a 5 followed by an L. That's come back consistently every time I've tried to keep track.
More to follow no doubt, and of course this could easily be a wild goose chase even if it IS morse code!
The rumored coordinates to the alien planet uncovered during the reported archaeological dig, maybe?
well, it's a pity that Weyland Industries no longer is celebrating 50 years in 2023, I was getting inspired by the confusion
i want that print on my finger ;D
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
What would you all think if all the Weyland technology is stolen from the gods?
The Alien movie does not suggest such thing, among other things because the company sends another crew back to retrieve the organism.
Quote from: SM on Mar 06, 2012, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
I don't like that in 50 years they are already "Building better worlds" throughout the solar system. It's far too quick. The idea that they are building worlds works in ALIENS because it's set over 50 years after ALIEN.
I was really hoping that this movie would be the FIRST deep space mission that the human race has undertook. Now that's lost for me. And the whole thing is far too Dharma Initiative. I don't like the modern world featuring in an ALIEN movie through the Internet.
50 years is too quick to be having colonies in the solar system? Why?
Worth mentioning that the new info on the Weyland website could relate back to the "when does 'Aliens: Cauldron' take place?" discussion we were having in the Literature subforum - evidently Weyland Industries had over 60 colonies as early as 2073. I'll cross-post this in the Cauldron thread so we don't derail this thread.
so does the finger belong to an android?
Quote from: akb on Mar 06, 2012, 06:40:39 PM
so does the finger belong to an android?
More than likely.
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 06, 2012, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
What would you all think if all the Weyland technology is stolen from the gods ?
well, it certainly looks as if they're going to have to find a previously unrealised technology to get the spacetugs tramping around the galaxy ten years before 2079 or whenever Alien is set. Ridley thought it was rather cheeky to imagine technology leaping that far so soon when he was asked about it during the Blade Runner interviews so perhaps that technology might have to leap into the story from somewhere else
So Weyland is the Prometheus figure ?
The mining activities mentioned in the Weyland website refer to the solar system. Is the secret for FTL travel discovered in the archeological dig in Petra along with the coordinates for the Space Jockey's world ? Which would account for mankind's early foray into the galaxy.
That does not explain why they find a giant human head in the alien base / spaceship, and why it bears a strange resemblance with Guy Pearce.
Weyland's listings of tech developments through the ages may hint at the Engineer's repeated visits to our world or that more likely plot-wise, we have been discovering alien tech left by the Engineer for some time.
It could be wholely possible that we were built to be as we are as part of a larger grand scheme.
Quote from: Skylark Duquesne on Mar 06, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
So Weyland is the Prometheus figure ?
The mining activities mentioned in the Weyland website refer to the solar system. Is the secret for FTL travel discovered in the archeological dig in Petra along with the coordinates for the Space Jockey's world ? Which would account for mankind's early foray into the galaxy.
That does not explain why they find a giant human head in the alien base / spaceship, and why it bears a strange resemblance with Guy Pearce.
FTL travel = Time travel, ergo Weyland (Pearce) is the Engineer/Jockey. !MYTH CRACKED!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweknowmemes.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F12%2Fmyth-busted.gif&hash=6d6a9567eee5f0c0c766ae562251cf47634daf24)
Quote from: SM on Mar 06, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/myth-busted.gif
Why does the man's hair in that gif change from dark to blonde?! :-\
because it's not a jif of an actual clip. His face was superimposed in a couple of separate shots.
Sorry if I missed this already. Do any of you rememner that piece of paper that was found after a Prometheus shooting was finished that had some illustrations of a figure (many speculated that this was Weyland) talking to a large crowd. Does anyone still have the link to the pic of that partial sotry board that was found?
Quote from: duckman5150 on Mar 07, 2012, 03:28:45 AM
Sorry if I missed this already. Do any of you rememner that piece of paper that was found after a Prometheus shooting was finished that had some illustrations of a figure (many speculated that this was Weyland) talking to a large crowd. Does anyone still have the link to the pic of that partial sotry board that was found?
it was posted at prometheus-movie.com
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 06, 2012, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
What would you all think if all the Weyland technology is stolen from the gods?
well, it certainly looks as if they're going to have to find a previously unrealised technology to get the spacetugs tramping around the galaxy ten years before 2079 or whenever Alien is set. Ridley thought it was rather cheeky to imagine technology leaping that far so soon when he was asked about it during the Blade Runner interviews so perhaps that technology might have to leap into the story from somewhere else
I think it's curious that Weyland Industries from AVP is being used as part of the viral promotion. Do they intend to use it as part of the movie's actual cannon though?
It's not form AVP. Its origin is from the FIRST Alien film directed by Ridley Scott.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prometheus-movie.com%2Fuploads%2FPrometheusScene1.JPG&hash=718a6550a77aea114ef6c759a82156d8ccccc630)
The actual document is still falsified to make it 'seem' like some one found it somewhere. Fox has been behind these leaks since day one I believe.
Quote from: BioMechanical on Mar 07, 2012, 04:03:09 AM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Mar 06, 2012, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2012, 12:18:22 PM
What would you all think if all the Weyland technology is stolen from the gods?
well, it certainly looks as if they're going to have to find a previously unrealised technology to get the spacetugs tramping around the galaxy ten years before 2079 or whenever Alien is set. Ridley thought it was rather cheeky to imagine technology leaping that far so soon when he was asked about it during the Blade Runner interviews so perhaps that technology might have to leap into the story from somewhere else
I think it's curious that Weyland Industries from AVP is being used as part of the viral promotion. Do they intend to use it as part of the movie's actual cannon though?
It's not form AVP. Its origin is from the FIRST Alien film directed by Ridley Scott.
In Alien, and subsequent chronological films, it's
Weyland-Yutani. In Alien vs Predator it was simply
Weyland Industries which is what the web address is in the Prometheus viral site, even though the logo on the site says
Weyland Corp, and the logos we see on the uniforms in the movie trailer say
Weyland Mega-Corp. Obviously the company name changes over time.
The website treats 'Corp' and 'Industries' as interchangeable terms.
QuoteIn Alien, and subsequent chronological films, it's Weyland-Yutani
Weylan-Yutani in the first one.
So, i think the Weyland Industries and the Yutani Industries are not fusioned to Wayland-Yutani Corporations, yet. I hope we'll watch the fusion, in the Prometheus sequel, maybe.
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 06, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Just don't pay the viral stuff too much attention then. I doubt there'll be too much of this sort of detail in the movie, the idea is just to drum up interest.
If that flickering star isn't morse code then it's damn well trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, because it's on a loop (I think) and the pattern fits entirely with morse code. It also stops blinking all together after a while.
I'll be damned if I can get much though. Not sure why but I'm finding it very very hard to keep track. The ones I'm surest of (and I don't know where they come in the sequence) is a 5 followed by an L. That's come back consistently every time I've tried to keep track.
More to follow no doubt, and of course this could easily be a wild goose chase even if it IS morse code!
The star is morse code. It has been solved. It contains the Wow! code.
Put the wow code at the end of the URL and you will find the concept art prize ;)
Quote from: SM on Mar 07, 2012, 05:14:29 AM
The website treats 'Corp' and 'Industries' as interchangeable terms.
QuoteIn Alien, and subsequent chronological films, it's Weyland-Yutani
Weylan-Yutani in the first one.
SM, if there were a thumbs up button, you'd be getting quite a few from me.
I don't mean to disrespect the fact that HybridNewborn noticed what was correct about my earlier post after someone dismissed it and I thank HybridNewborn for pointing that out along with what seems to be the chronological order of the company's name, and almost got the original version of the company's name right but not quite right enough, so as to have to be corrected by someone else on a slight detail. But I find it horridly amusing that a little detail has to be fully unveiled by someone else in all these masses of details although chronologically speaking there wouldn't be an imaginable reason to have changed it from Weyland to Weylan and back to Weyland.
Quote from: Viscus on Mar 07, 2012, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 06, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Just don't pay the viral stuff too much attention then. I doubt there'll be too much of this sort of detail in the movie, the idea is just to drum up interest.
If that flickering star isn't morse code then it's damn well trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, because it's on a loop (I think) and the pattern fits entirely with morse code. It also stops blinking all together after a while.
I'll be damned if I can get much though. Not sure why but I'm finding it very very hard to keep track. The ones I'm surest of (and I don't know where they come in the sequence) is a 5 followed by an L. That's come back consistently every time I've tried to keep track.
More to follow no doubt, and of course this could easily be a wild goose chase even if it IS morse code!
The star is morse code. It has been solved. It contains the Wow! code.
Put the wow code at the end of the URL and you will find the concept art prize ;)
link?
Quote from: AvatarIII on Mar 07, 2012, 12:45:01 PM
Quote from: Viscus on Mar 07, 2012, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 06, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Just don't pay the viral stuff too much attention then. I doubt there'll be too much of this sort of detail in the movie, the idea is just to drum up interest.
If that flickering star isn't morse code then it's damn well trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, because it's on a loop (I think) and the pattern fits entirely with morse code. It also stops blinking all together after a while.
I'll be damned if I can get much though. Not sure why but I'm finding it very very hard to keep track. The ones I'm surest of (and I don't know where they come in the sequence) is a 5 followed by an L. That's come back consistently every time I've tried to keep track.
More to follow no doubt, and of course this could easily be a wild goose chase even if it IS morse code!
The star is morse code. It has been solved. It contains the Wow! code.
Put the wow code at the end of the URL and you will find the concept art prize ;)
link?
https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/ (https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/)
tbh it looks like a still from the movie than concept art
That chair looks like it has a control panel wrapping around the front of it. You can see the platform has a section of it that curves back into the centre and then back out again right in front of where the chair is.
Also, it appears there is the same sort of setup on the opposite side of the platform. Next to David you can see the outline of the chair.
Lastly, if you look at the chair you can see that there is a slot in the ground that it must slide backwards and forwards in.
Quote from: Viscus on Mar 07, 2012, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: red_otter on Mar 06, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2012, 11:55:06 PM
Looking at the updated website. I'm not sure I really like the idea of making the Weyland Corporation this tangible, touchable entity with answers. In some ways it's better and more interesting to have the faceless evil.
Just don't pay the viral stuff too much attention then. I doubt there'll be too much of this sort of detail in the movie, the idea is just to drum up interest.
If that flickering star isn't morse code then it's damn well trying to lead us on a wild goose chase, because it's on a loop (I think) and the pattern fits entirely with morse code. It also stops blinking all together after a while.
I'll be damned if I can get much though. Not sure why but I'm finding it very very hard to keep track. The ones I'm surest of (and I don't know where they come in the sequence) is a 5 followed by an L. That's come back consistently every time I've tried to keep track.
More to follow no doubt, and of course this could easily be a wild goose chase even if it IS morse code!
The star is morse code. It has been solved. It contains the Wow! code.
Put the wow code at the end of the URL and you will find the concept art prize ;)
Thanks, yeah I've been looking at all this stuff on another thread. At least I was right about the 5!!
One thing I am liking about this is at least the chair and the sarcophagi look as if those intended to sit in them would dwarf the person standing in the center. If this is assumed to be David, and from what I can tell Fassbender himself is a rather tall individual, we can at least have reason to believe the jockeys/gods/engineers/etc will be quite large :)
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Mar 07, 2012, 02:22:08 PM
That chair looks like it has a control panel wrapping around the front of it. You can see the platform has a section of it that curves back into the centre and then back out again right in front of where the chair is.
Also, it appears there is the same sort of setup on the opposite side of the platform. Next to David you can see the outline of the chair.
Lastly, if you look at the chair you can see that there is a slot in the ground that it must slide backwards and forwards in.
When David first enters the room everything is dormant, the only light is that of his flashlight and what comes through the dome. In fornt of him a set of steps is cut into a circular platform with four sealed sarcophagi. He (or something) activates the machinery, a covering between two of the sarcophagi slides apart revealing a control desk and an egg-shaped chair slides from the outer wall. David activates the control panel bringing up the holographic imagery...