I say the jungle. A smaller cast would be great. Predators had a great cast for the most part. There were too many characters. We need characters that come from the same place, not from different parts of the world. We definitely don't need the same mistakes that were made from Predator 2. Drug lords in Los Angeles was a terrible part of the story. Could you imagine Dutch and Lieutenant Mike Harrigan in the same film. If Peter Keyes was alive it'd be awesome as hell to have him in a film with Dutch. Peter Keyes was a show stealer in Predator 2. This is why the Predator series is weaker than the Alien series. They keep getting different characters and less continuity.
Quote from: Alien Jockey on May 14, 2013, 03:20:59 AM
I say the jungle. A smaller cast would be great. Predators had a great cast for the most part. There were too many characters. We need characters that come from the same place, not from different parts of the world. We definitely don't need the same mistakes that were made from Predator 2. Drug lords in Los Angeles was a terrible part of the story. Could you imagine Dutch and Lieutenant Mike Harrigan in the same film. If Peter Keyes was alive it'd be awesome as hell to have him in a film with Dutch. Peter Keyes was a show stealer in Predator 2. This is why the Predator series is weaker than the Alien series. They keep getting different characters and less continuity.
Opinion. The way I see it, jungle was overdone. I love the difference in setting between P1 and P2, but continuity in themes presented. Ps tried to much to be like P1 and finished as quasi-remake but much weaker in the end. If I was responsible for the series future, two new films were made. One called P3 set on earth during a desert conflict, with Garber`s team involved, and second one called Ps2 elaborating on escape of Royce and new group from hunting planet.
I would mind a desert conflict. Could work well. Or go back to the game preserve but show a new section of it.
doesn't matter. Wherever there's heat and conflict, should be where the predator movie is set.
For something fresh though, a desert environment would be interesting. There can be a large scale war zone and a predator starts tearing **** up. The story can revolve around an elite team that's far behind enemy lines who gets targeted by the predator.
War zone.
Or space.
A Desert war zone using a Classic Predator, who blasts off to fight again at the end. To make it more realistic, of course ;D
I'd say a large city would be a much better choice. We've already done a jungle twice. There's more variety with a city.
I'd like the desert area too. Perhaps during a war, that way two sides of humans with state of the art military tech can really give a Predator a challenge.
It should be set in feudal Japan and starring Ken Watanabe and Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, of course.
An alien gladiatorial arena on the Predator homeworld.
Quote from: Gilfryd on May 14, 2013, 11:23:56 PM
An alien gladiatorial arena on the Predator homeworld.
Nice, maybe Royce and whatsername passed the test, beat the obviously amateur "super" predators and get taken to this arena as worthy prey.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 14, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
Or space.
in sci-fi story? where all of the predator games were set? maybe with colonial marines? no chance
Never suggested Colonial Marines, and I never played any of the games. I merely stated that a Predator film in a futuristic setting set somewhere other than Earth could potentially be interesting.
yes i said that but umm here you go with the alien planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8vZwvP57Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u8vZwvP57Y)
A non-Earth (or even futuristic Earth) planet that humans live on ;)
just messing with ya here :P
im done now, i'll go and rather play some Aliens: Colonial Marines
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oh i just cant stop it
honestly i think that every next Predator movie will be a let down, its just...what new can u add to it except more creatures with they hunt and more gore? sold out, just like the xeno
Quote from: szkoki on May 16, 2013, 10:31:34 PM
honestly i think that every next Predator movie will be a let down, its just...what new can u add to it except more creatures with they hunt and more gore? sold out, just like the xeno
Not necessarily. That's like saying there's no point in having action movies because we've all seen action before. They just need to be properly executed. Get rid of Paul Anderson, those grause brothers, and that nimrod guy, get someone good who actually has vision and understanding of the characters to make it. Not just some amateur director.
no its not the same like action movies, action movies is a genre not a main character of a plot, ofcourse if u arent tired of watching predators/aliens killing people like the bunch of meaningless superhero movies just because the creature is there, i wont argue with you
amateur director..., u probably havent seen his movie Kontroll....its also available with english and other foreign subtitles
Quote from: szkoki on May 17, 2013, 10:24:03 AM
no its not the same like action movies, action movies is a genre not a main character of a plot, ofcourse if u arent tired of watching predators/aliens killing people like the bunch of meaningless superhero movies just because the creature is there, i wont argue with you
amateur director..., u probably havent seen his movie Kontroll....its also available with english and other foreign subtitles
I'm sick of seeing **** films regardless of the character focus or storyline, I welcome good movies regardless of the same factors. Unless the studios are willing to take it seriously instead of pursuing an easy cash grab then I believe there's easily still potential in the series.
Paul Anderson also have fair amount of good films on his account. MK, Event Horizon, first Resident evil, jus to name a few.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 16, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
Never suggested Colonial Marines, and I never played any of the games. I merely stated that a Predator film in a futuristic setting set somewhere other than Earth could potentially be interesting.
Actually I think space could be interesting, possibly a situation where a few humans are captured and brought onto a Predator ship, they escape and all hell breaks lose... now that's never been done before! :-)
But it would be unbelieveble or very short film.
It`s far too late but idea of Pred-Killing Veterans fighting Elders on Predator Arena was brilliant. Still It would be prefect or totally wrong pred film.
Im sure I have seen this in a comic before but another interesting location would be a huge supermax prison during a full riot takeover. but I think desert warzone is the way to go.
Id rather see it somewhere else other than a jungle. I know its a good setting and all but somewhere different maybe have it on the Predators home world and expand on the clan war that was present in Predators. Or maybe the desert setting could work.
4 separate predators 4 separate environments 8 or more weapons 4 or more different hunting/ killing /fighting styles at least four species being hunted.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 23, 2013, 10:50:17 AM
4 separate predators 4 separate environments 8 or more weapons 4 or more different hunting/ killing /fighting styles at least four species being hunted.
And we`ve got one shitty underdeveloped film. Bravo!
underdeveloped ?. how about not at all developed . genius . no need to be a jerk. i was half asleep at the time i wrote that. less then a few hours in to this forum and all ready been stalked by a troll. nothings new i see. your posts are highly sophisticated and developed ,master. good use of your 2.whatever posts a day over the last 6 or 7 years. hope you look back on that with pride when your 80.. you sausage. :'(
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2013, 09:50:22 AM
Paul Anderson also have fair amount of good films on his account. MK, Event Horizon, first Resident evil, jus to name a few.
your serious ? resident evil is ok bordering on good at times. mk is ridiculous . event has sam neil and fishburn in some neat sets and is creepy at best at times.
MeTroll? Hardly :D Sorry but I`m tired when some new kid on the block appears here and hit with ideas I`ve heard so many times and that are completly missed. It`s not about you in person.
Film with no human gives no dialogue no attachment to character and all in all it`s one big gore feast. Nothing you could possibly call a good film.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 23, 2013, 10:50:17 AM
4 separate predators 4 separate environments 8 or more weapons 4 or more different hunting/ killing /fighting styles at least four species being hunted.
And this. Sorry but :
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And we`ve got one shitty underdeveloped film. Bravo!
While I agree with worldpeace's view on Paul Anderson's films. But the four predators/hunting tactics idea is ok but in four different environments that will just cause confusion as it cuts from one to another (Not everyone is a bright mind that can follow a trail that is broken up) just a thought. I'm not taking it out on you :)
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Also Aspie is the troll around here mister ;D
Personally, I would love to see a predator film in the desert.
The topography would make it easier to blend in to the landscape (though footprints would be a dead giveaway) and the warping effects of the heat would make the cloaking device harder to spot.
Horror films that take advantage of a desolate location are often very effective, such is the case with The Thing. It creates a greater feeling of isolation and demands the characters become more self reliant. To top it off, they have far less options as to where to go.
Perhaps an isolated military outpost.
A city is a terrible setting.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 25, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Personally, I would love to see a predator film in the desert.
The topography would make it easier to blend in to the landscape (though footprints would be a dead giveaway) and the warping effects of the heat would make the cloaking device harder to spot.
Horror films that take advantage of a desolate location are often very effective, such is the case with The Thing. It creates a greater feeling of isolation and demands the characters become more self reliant. To top it off, they have far less options as to where to go.
Perhaps an isolated military outpost.
Yeah, been saying it for years, next environment that we haven`t seen and which fits Predators hunting ground (heat and conflict) is desert. There are more then plenty scenarios involving desert setting. Also many possible desert locations can make it even more interesting.
Quote from: Liberator on Jun 25, 2013, 03:15:56 PM
A city is a terrible setting.
Why?
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 25, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Personally, I would love to see a predator film in the desert.
The topography would make it easier to blend in to the landscape (though footprints would be a dead giveaway) and the warping effects of the heat would make the cloaking device harder to spot.
Horror films that take advantage of a desolate location are often very effective, such is the case with The Thing. It creates a greater feeling of isolation and demands the characters become more self reliant. To top it off, they have far less options as to where to go.
Perhaps an isolated military outpost.
Sand storms can brush away the footprints :P But yeah desert could work out great. Conflict between two groups one of which hasn't adapted to the environment and a predator hunt those who are fair game. Could work really well :)
Set P4 in the PAST when the humans die off save one and the Predator Elder gets the old pistol given from P2.
Or a desert war zone would be a good second option. ;)
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 26, 2013, 03:26:06 AM
Set P4 in the PAST when the humans die off save one and the Predator Elder gets the old pistol given from P2.
Or a desert war zone would be a good second option. ;)
So a pirate predator film :-\ (If memory serves me right the elder got it off a pirate he killed)
Predator of the Caribbean: The Death Of Jack Sparrow ;)
@Master:
A city is a terrible idea because the predator can't use his incendiary device there without killing noncombatants. That, over and above it being the wrong style to be consistent with the original movie. At the end of Predator 2, the predator was going to use his device, whereas he wouldn't kill unarmed people or children? They want to use it to avoid their body's and their equipment's recovery by the indigenous people on the planet they're hunting on, or to eliminate xenomorphs before they spread.
I'd also say a city is a terrible idea because there are just way too many people who can get in the way, and too many people who might notice the predator. And there are too many objects in the way all over, including cars and buildings, and the predator's discovery would quickly become a publicized event, and the predators want to keep their presence a secret.
jim and john thomas original predator 2 script put arnold in times square in an empty times square do to a blizzard fighting a predator . i think a run down detroit but more dead and over grown could be neat. an empty post war city
I've always had this idea about a predator movie set during the Vietnam war, The marines were already fighting an unseen enemy in that war, could be very interesting if it was played out seriously.
or possibly set it during world war 2.
I have to say, really like that desert idea.
Imagine a Predator movie set in, lets say, Afghanistan.
a predator movie taking place in every major war for the last 100 years. one predator in all that time.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jul 04, 2013, 09:00:30 AM
a predator movie taking place in every major war for the last 100 years. one predator in all that time.
Would be very hard to have a set of characters in that case...
Make the next film based of Predator: Concrete Jungle.
pls.
Meh, we already had a concrete jungle in Predator 2.
I'm a big fan of the desert idea. I also wouldn't mind a space setting; either a spaceship or an alien environment visually different from Earth.
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2013, 07:15:27 PM
MeTroll? Hardly :D Sorry but I`m tired when some new kid on the block appears here and hit with ideas I`ve heard so many times and that are completly missed. It`s not about you in person.
Film with no human gives no dialogue no attachment to character and all in all it`s one big gore feast. Nothing you could possibly call a good film.
Quote from: worldpeace on Jun 23, 2013, 10:50:17 AM
4 separate predators 4 separate environments 8 or more weapons 4 or more different hunting/ killing /fighting styles at least four species being hunted.
And this. Sorry but :
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And we`ve got one shitty underdeveloped film. Bravo!
I don't know. You can still get attached to the Predators or their non human prey. They are "human" enough that we can emphasize with them.
Look at how many people here are attached to Dachande. The book gave him and the other Predators in the book plently of human traits like a complex language, inner monologue, a whole society, and made them feel like a real humanoid advanced species. he movies do not do the inner monologue part all that well. The movies basically show them as an intelligent slasher villain.
A monster is only as fascinating as its foe.
How impressive would it really be to see a predator slice and dice through a series of faceless drones, inner monologue or no? What does the audience gain? There is no suspense, no dread, no sense of loss, no sense of accomplishment. All you are left with is a montage of grisly death scenes peppered with voice over narration.
Could a predator be made into a relatable character? Perhaps, but it would take a lot to make it work to be done right, and a sense of accomplishment at defeating their foe would be one such quality. How do you instill such a quality? You flesh out the quarry to make it not a something, but a someone. Without that, you are left with
"The predator killed...that guy whose name I don't know. But he wore a nice suit so he must have been important! Oh, and the predator it talking to himself now!"
You need more than one face to make a story work. Predators fixate on their prey because they know their prey is worthy of them. The audience should be made to feel that, and without a developed character, it can't be done.
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Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 25, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Personally, I would love to see a predator film in the desert.
The topography would make it easier to blend in to the landscape (though footprints would be a dead giveaway) and the warping effects of the heat would make the cloaking device harder to spot.
Horror films that take advantage of a desolate location are often very effective, such is the case with The Thing. It creates a greater feeling of isolation and demands the characters become more self reliant. To top it off, they have far less options as to where to go.
Perhaps an isolated military outpost.
Sand storms can brush away the footprints :P But yeah desert could work out great. Conflict between two groups one of which hasn't adapted to the environment and a predator hunt those who are fair game. Could work really well :)
There needs to be some kind of structure the Predators can watch/swing from, that's one of their most interesting visual features is the swinging from trees or going from building to building. Unless they can burrow, having them in the desert has them basically walking around? Watching from sand dunes? Maybe the ruins of a pyramid or city, there just needs to be something more than sand.
The next pred film should be set in the distant future beyond the avp comic wars to keep it "canon". A silent war has been growing for sentries between humanity and the yautja race. By this point in the future the world powers are fully aware and knowledgeable of the yautja species and have formed a plot to over take them all.
A predator of royal descent is captured on his blooding hunt in the city of New York by Peter Keyes Jr (lol). Story flashes to a year later when Jr has fully hacked and deciphered some pertinent data from the royal hunters wrist comp. The data contains the coordinates of a royal ship that has the navigational coordinates to the predator home star system (not just a planet). (remember these beings are much more advanced than our own they could likely terraform and colonize any rock...the royal ship is located in the Arizona desert deep below a native tribe temple.
how you like it so far? I believe the best direction to go is with another AVP film but set in space around the comic story line. Do the first comic of Ryushi conflicts and make trilogy ending with Ms "Nogushi" on the run from the "hunters"
Sounds better than what FOX will spit out that's for sure!
Why does it have to be either a jungle or a city?
I gotta say that Predators' lack of inspiration in using a forest setting set up a stupid tradition, like it's the only way to make an effective movie in the series.
I still say that a desert or spaceship would be cool to see.
I really don't care where a new one takes place, but for f**king ONCE I'd like to see a character get brought back from a previous film. It gets annoying when no characters carry through three films. By the end, I've really got no one to root for.
Adrian Brody? Chyea, right.
Probably jungle. Though I wouldn't mind to see one set in Afghanistan or Iraq with Predators going up against top special forces units like Delta, Seal Team Six, British and Australian SAS and the Canadian JTF2. Most of those units operate together in those areas so it would give the Predators a chance to go against the best of the best from several different nations. I was hoping they were going to do that in Predators.
Would like to see a couple of different Predators ( no 'super black' ones though) who are so advanced/good in their hunting they don't bother with normal soldiers just the top tier units. Wouldn't mind seeing a real lean or even female Predator who isn't as big as the others but is really agile and quicker than the other predators and uses a Katana like weapon (made from stronger metals of course).
Like to see a Predator so skilled and quick that they take down 6 armed special forces soldiers just using a single blade weapon without using any other weapons.
I know a lot of people wouldn't like the idea of a female Predator but I think its better than the 'super' ones we got and after seeing Man of Steel I though Faora was the best of the Kryptonians, so I think they could do a very formidable female Predator or if not just a very lean agile quick predator. Would also be cool to see how the different special forces units try to combat the Predators. I would make sure the Predators are not arrogant or stupid like some of the previous films. These Predators would not be' youngbloods' or teenagers they would be mature Predators who had been on many hunts and knew a great deal about humans. So they only hunt the best soldiers and had lots of knowledge of human tactics.
I've always thought a Vietnam War-era Predator film might be cool. We know they're attracted to heat and conflict, so it would make sense for them to be there. In Nam you'd have the jungle, lots of combat for them to get mixed up in, and I also thought it might be awesome to see some Predator action in a war-torn city during the Battle of Hue.
Plus you could have a big smackdown between a Predator and a Huey gunship.
And hey, if they wanted to throw in a scene where Noland gets abducted and taken the the game preserve using deleted footage of Laurence Fishburne from Apocalypse Now, I wouldn't hold it against them :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2013, 10:32:31 AM
And hey, if they wanted to throw in a scene where Noland gets abducted and taken the the game preserve using deleted footage of Laurence Fishburne from Apocalypse Now, I wouldn't hold it against them :)
Not Mr. Clean!
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Quote from: Terx2 on Jun 26, 2013, 03:08:53 AM
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 25, 2013, 03:11:05 PM
Personally, I would love to see a predator film in the desert.
The topography would make it easier to blend in to the landscape (though footprints would be a dead giveaway) and the warping effects of the heat would make the cloaking device harder to spot.
Horror films that take advantage of a desolate location are often very effective, such is the case with The Thing. It creates a greater feeling of isolation and demands the characters become more self reliant. To top it off, they have far less options as to where to go.
Perhaps an isolated military outpost.
Sand storms can brush away the footprints :P But yeah desert could work out great. Conflict between two groups one of which hasn't adapted to the environment and a predator hunt those who are fair game. Could work really well :)
There needs to be some kind of structure the Predators can watch/swing from, that's one of their most interesting visual features is the swinging from trees or going from building to building. Unless they can burrow, having them in the desert has them basically walking around? Watching from sand dunes? Maybe the ruins of a pyramid or city, there just needs to be something more than sand.
Either the buildings there or jumping from its ship and back is what I thought.
Would be cool to see the predators in the Caribbean and show what happened for the predators in predator 2 and how they ended up with the flintlock pistol from the 18th century. Then you could kind of have it set in a jungle and a city, could have the last fight on a pirate ship fighting a predator ship. Imagine cannons and harpoons vs advanced technology.
What do you guys think?
Weren't they supposed to be making a film about a Predator during the renaissance at one point?
Quote from: SIMULANT on Jul 31, 2013, 07:06:14 PM
Would be cool to see the predators in the Caribbean and show what happened for the predators in predator 2 and how they ended up with the flintlock pistol from the 18th century. Then you could kind of have it set in a jungle and a city, could have the last fight on a pirate ship fighting a predator ship. Imagine cannons and harpoons vs advanced technology.
What do you guys think?
Made this a while ago, so yeah its not the best of my work, but my point is that I totally agree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYW6IirwyYw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYW6IirwyYw#ws)
Quote from: SIMULANT on Jul 31, 2013, 07:06:14 PM
Would be cool to see the predators in the Caribbean and show what happened for the predators in predator 2 and how they ended up with the flintlock pistol from the 18th century. Then you could kind of have it set in a jungle and a city, could have the last fight on a pirate ship fighting a predator ship. Imagine cannons and harpoons vs advanced technology.
What do you guys think?
That's a cool idea, but Fox would never go for it.
A mainstream audience would be confused, because they either wouldn't remember the end of Predator 2 (consider the majority response towards the film) or they wouldn't want to root for the monsters. And Fox isn't going to make a Predator movie for a small audience unless they did DTV, which isn't going to happen (although I wouldn't mind).
That's my main thing. Predator is a monster movie, but people keep wanting the monsters to be the protagonist just because they have cool gadgets and gizmos. Imagine 90 minutes of clicking with subtitles, or if you want to imagine it without subtitles just imagine the SW Holiday Special.
A lot of people miss the point of the original movie... It was a vehicle to emphasise the idea of how, in order to defeat a beast, you must find/rediscover your inner own.
Don't box a film in by declaring the environment before you have a story. Think up an idea where the protagonist needs to embrace their own primal side to win. The rest flows from there.
But then you're basically just remaking the original. And you can't remake Predator.
No, you're not. You're just keeping with the formula of what makes the creature/antagonist what it is. That's the purpose it serves; bringing us closer to our own primal beast.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 05, 2013, 12:34:18 AM
No, you're not. You're just keeping with the formula of what makes the creature/antagonist what it is. That's the purpose it serves; bringing us closer to our own primal beast.
Similar idea to The Hills Have Eyes.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 04, 2013, 03:03:50 AM
A lot of people miss the point of the original movie... It was a vehicle to emphasise the idea of how, in order to defeat a beast, you must find/rediscover your inner own.
Don't box a film in by declaring the environment before you have a story. Think up an idea where the protagonist needs to embrace their own primal side to win. The rest flows from there.
And get lucky in final moment. ;)
A rocky desert type area would be interesting. It could be set in the future or current times. It could easily be set during the early years of the war in Afghanistan, when there was mostly special forces soldiers running the operations with local fighters under them.
Not to shoot you down because there are many others who would agree with you, but NO DESERT SCENARIO. Its plain, boring, and worst off there is no where for the Predator to hide, like in Predator where he used the trees and in Predator 2 where he used the buildings because there were so many buildings that they acted like trees in a jungle, in Afghanistan there's not enough buildings to act as trees. Also, there is no claustrophobia, now I'm not talking like severe claustrophobia I'm talking about very very minor claustrophobia. For instance, in PREDATOR the jungle was everywhere and there was literally no escape a.k.a. you can run but you can't hide, in Predator 2 it was the same scenario but in a city (And it eventually was a you can run but you cant hide scenario for the City Hunter :P ). Also, just because there's a war it doesn't mean that the Predator will be attracted to it, based on the movies it seems like they pick environments that are very warm and humid, L.A. has portions that turn into something similar to a jungle so I also think they like environments with trees more, or places to hide which the desert has neither.
Theres more places to hide in a desert area than you might think. Caves, caverns, plenty of high points. If you ever turn on National geographic or the military channel you'll see that the mountainous areas of a desert are extremely intimidating, especially when theres some sort of conflict going on in them.
This is along the lines of what I was thinking when I originally posted. Theres plenty of hiding places, but the view distance is much greater than in P1 or P2
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I gotta admit, I kinda agree that the desert sounds boring. Like Derelict said, it's nowhere near claustrophobic enough. It's too open and spread out. Predators are best up close, and there's not really any way he could get up close in a desert. Even in those pictures you posted, the Predator would be reduced to sniping, and that's not what a Predator is.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2013, 07:24:48 AM
I gotta admit, I kinda agree that the desert sounds boring. Like Derelict said, it's nowhere near claustrophobic enough. It's too open and spread out. Predators are best up close, and there's not really any way he could get up close in a desert. Even in those pictures you posted, the Predator would be reduced to sniping, and that's not what a Predator is.
Remember in Predator when Billy spent a while staring at the trees not sure on what he saw. Well it was hot in the jungle and it could of been heat exhaustion. Same in Predators. They could of just be seeing things. In a desert place it would mostly be isolated, if your ill-equipped to withstand the heat you will suffer, sandstorms are the worst and if you loose communication than you're stuffed. The predator could get close or attack from a far. In AVPR *shudder* Wolf managed to find an alien at the power plant and shoot at it from a far distance. The locals have adapted to these situations and maybe the only hope for an soilder to survive and defeat the predator. Man I should write up a short story about this ;D
Quote from: Terx2 on Aug 09, 2013, 07:40:32 AMRemember in Predator when Billy spent a while staring at the trees not sure on what he saw. Well it was hot in the jungle and it could of been heat exhaustion. Same in Predators. They could of just be seeing things. In a desert place it would mostly be isolated, if your ill-equipped to withstand the heat you will suffer, sandstorms are the worst and if you loose communication than you're stuffed. The predator could get close or attack from a far. In AVPR *shudder* Wolf managed to find an alien at the power plant and shoot at it from a far distance. The locals have adapted to these situations and maybe the only hope for an soilder to survive and defeat the predator. Man I should write up a short story about this ;D
None of that addresses the claustrophobia issue though (although I agree the idea of a Predator in a sandstorm is actually pretty awesome, but you can't exactly have a whole film set in a sandstorm). And when I said sniping isn't what a Predator does, I meant it doesn't fit in with their themes of honour. Picking a guy off from miles away is hardly an honourable match. Plus... it's just kinda boring. I wanna see the Predator get in close, like they do in the films. I mean, even when the Predator used its Plasma Caster in the first two films, it was at relatively close range.
I do not agree. I was in Egipt and Jordan for a week and was treveling through desert. It`s prefect place for Predator film. The setting is so eery and even surreal, Predator with camuflage would easily blend in.
My idea of Predator film involving desert would be where P2 ending left us. Garber and his new team geting another chance to catch Pred with some soldiers opperating in that area cought in the middle. I`d love it to be something like First Blood scenario involving Predator.
Canyons, crevasses, hills, pitfalls, mountains.
Not all deserts are flat terrain. Many of them are jagged and dangerous. Essentially take the environment from the original film and subtract the wetness. Plus you know what could still be in a desert? Buildings. An isolated outpost was already mentioned.
Plus Predators are not all about honor. They shoot enemies in the back on occasion, Blaine in the back, they kill while cloaked which prevents a more fair fight with their enemies, and even murder little old ladies just because they have snub noses. Do they have codes? It would seem so, but those codes are often bent or broken depending on how an individual hunter choses to operate.
But to me, the Predator swinging through the jungle canopy - or across the rooftops of tall buildings - was always what the Predator characters were about. Outmanoeuvring your prey and attacking from above. And no matter how you look at it, you just don't have that kind of set-up in the desert.
Actually you can. It just depends on the desert.
A desert is named so because it is hot and dry. That is literally it. The topography in no way factors into the decision, and topography varies greatly independent of its climate. Not all deserts are flat, wide open spaces. Many of them are more like mazes with tight closed in quarters and hazardous natural formations. A place being hot and dry does not deny the possibility of what you just described, which many types of desert topographies can easily accommodate.
It is like Predator 2, a different kind of jungle.
Why not? Claustrophobic middle east towns are perfect for Pred:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabroadintheme.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F07%2Fdscn0174.jpg&hash=fe611d44199922c91438bebc596292c2f0306c16)
or canyons (was there last week)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frenadtours.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F03%2FPetra-Canyon-Jordan1.jpg&hash=e0ff2b6dd25305670db00fefa66b18c31f72dda6)
or Oasis
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.soil-net.com%2Falbum%2FPlaces_Objects%2FDesert%2Fslides%2FLibyan%2520desert%252004%2520Oasis.jpg&hash=c43666170596817a833b51303443d3de7a0f8d96)
It can and will work. Also it`s fresh and fresh environmant is exactly what this franchise needs.
Don't forget the quick sand. Actually a lot more dangerous in dryer climates because it is better hidden.
Quote from: Master on Aug 09, 2013, 02:43:00 PM
Why not? Claustrophobic middle east towns are perfect for Pred:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fabroadintheme.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F07%2Fdscn0174.jpg&hash=fe611d44199922c91438bebc596292c2f0306c16)
or canyons (was there last week)
http://renadtours.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Petra-Canyon-Jordan1.jpg
or Oasis
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.soil-net.com%2Falbum%2FPlaces_Objects%2FDesert%2Fslides%2FLibyan%2520desert%252004%2520Oasis.jpg&hash=c43666170596817a833b51303443d3de7a0f8d96)
It can and will work. Also it`s fresh and fresh environmant is exactly what this franchise needs.
First off in the top picture I can prove why this doesn't work, look to the right of the 'city', you see nothing, that's because 'cities' (more like towns) in Middle Eastern countries are split up and are in the middle of no where, in Predator 2 we see a city that continues seemingly forever like the jungle in Predator. Also, what I mean is you can run into one of these towns and then cross nothing but miles of desert and rocky lands until you see another one of these 'cities'.
In the second picture, congrats you found a place that could present some claustrophobia, but that is honestly the only place in the desert that could do that, everything else is to open (If there were more trees then maybe I could see it, but no way with what all that sand). Also you can't make a blockbuster film with marines running from a Predator in these canyons, an hour and a half inside a canyon sounds pretty boring even if there is a predator.
The last picture I can prove my point again. Look directly behind it and all you see is sand, and sand, and....sand. That's because (Once again like the 'cities') they don't go on and on, they are usually randomly there and in the middle of no where with (Guess what) sand surrounding them, miles and miles of sand.
I'm not trying to shoot you down and make you look stupid, I'm just trying to prove my point that there is 0% chance of this being a legit idea to consider turning into a film, but maybe if it was in that place where the new movie "Lone Survivor" is taking place I truly believe it will work, it's in a rocky mountainous middle eastern environment, but there are plenty of trees to make up a forest, look at the trailer and I think this will be what makes us all agree on where it could be next ... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091191/?ref_=sr_2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091191/?ref_=sr_2)
And why do you think I`d like to have film in one of those places when easily it can contain all of them? Predator 1 wasn`t only trees and leafs but also lake, waterfall, swamp and even sea side base in the begining.
I`ve been in the middle east, I know how it looks and I know it have potential. But any other dessert (like in arizona or nevada) would also work IMO.
Having it in the middle east or africa would be a nice change of pace. Gives a new flavor without redoing the same old shit.
Quote from: Master on Aug 09, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
And why do you think I`d like to have film in one of those places when easily it can contain all of them? Predator 1 wasn`t only trees and leafs but also lake, waterfall, swamp and even sea side base in the begining.
I`ve been in the middle east, I know how it looks and I know it have potential. But any other dessert (like in arizona or nevada) would also work IMO.
Yeah but even the swamp, waterfall, and sea side are surrounded by trees, plus it is such a more beautiful environment.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Aug 10, 2013, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 09, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
And why do you think I`d like to have film in one of those places when easily it can contain all of them? Predator 1 wasn`t only trees and leafs but also lake, waterfall, swamp and even sea side base in the begining.
I`ve been in the middle east, I know how it looks and I know it have potential. But any other dessert (like in arizona or nevada) would also work IMO.
Yeah but even the swamp, waterfall, and sea side are surrounded by trees, plus it is such a more beautiful environment.
A sunrise or sunset over the sandy hills as wind pushes the sand softly in the breeze. That's beautiful. But I'm not gonna argue on beautiful landscapes and what not. The thing is there may not even be another predator movie for years. So maybe they'll think of something completely different in that time.
Quote from: Terx2 on Aug 11, 2013, 04:33:44 AM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Aug 10, 2013, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 09, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
And why do you think I`d like to have film in one of those places when easily it can contain all of them? Predator 1 wasn`t only trees and leafs but also lake, waterfall, swamp and even sea side base in the begining.
I`ve been in the middle east, I know how it looks and I know it have potential. But any other dessert (like in arizona or nevada) would also work IMO.
Yeah but even the swamp, waterfall, and sea side are surrounded by trees, plus it is such a more beautiful environment.
A sunrise or sunset over the sandy hills as wind pushes the sand softly in the breeze. That's beautiful. But I'm not gonna argue on beautiful landscapes and what not. The thing is there may not even be another predator movie for years. So maybe they'll think of something completely different in that time.
I think you're missing what I'm trying to say, the jungle has so much more variety and life, it's so beautiful and at the same time anything can kill you. Especially when you get into the deep thicker areas.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Aug 11, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: Terx2 on Aug 11, 2013, 04:33:44 AM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Aug 10, 2013, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Master on Aug 09, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
And why do you think I`d like to have film in one of those places when easily it can contain all of them? Predator 1 wasn`t only trees and leafs but also lake, waterfall, swamp and even sea side base in the begining.
I`ve been in the middle east, I know how it looks and I know it have potential. But any other dessert (like in arizona or nevada) would also work IMO.
Yeah but even the swamp, waterfall, and sea side are surrounded by trees, plus it is such a more beautiful environment.
A sunrise or sunset over the sandy hills as wind pushes the sand softly in the breeze. That's beautiful. But I'm not gonna argue on beautiful landscapes and what not. The thing is there may not even be another predator movie for years. So maybe they'll think of something completely different in that time.
I think you're missing what I'm trying to say, the jungle has so much more variety and life, it's so beautiful and at the same time anything can kill you. Especially when you get into the deep thicker areas.
And Dessert has not. That`s the point. It`s different. Variety is a different thing. It can have many diffrent areas, but I don`t like to repeat myself.
We have already seen the jungle. It has been done and done well, so best leave it. We have also seen a city and an alien planet.
Deserts, tundras, mountain ranges and temperate forests are simply the next options to keep the series from getting repetitive and dull.
There is literally nothing wrong with what Master has posted.
Keyes said they pick places where is heat and conflict. Both of those things are in desert areas.
As Monolith said, jungle was already done (twice) city too. If we use jungle in every film with Predator this series quickly become boring.
Alright I'm trying to keep my cool here....When I say the jungle has variety I mean it has variety all over the place in a very small amount of distance, between the different plants and animals that are always surrounding you it out does the desert environment. In the desert you don't have all of those plants and animals, you have some sand/sand dunes, some canyons miles away, and some towns that are just as far away, so I agree yes there is variety, but it's not even close to all the variety you can find in all directions in the jungle, each step you see new plants/animals/sounds/insects/dangers/etc...Now I am trying to tell you MASTER that I do agree with you that it could be in a desert environment, BUT ONLY if it was a part of the desert where there are trees, maybe a river or water source, and of course a small town, exactly the place where the movie "Lone Survivor" is based on(Afghan)...I dont like to repeat myself either, but we cant always get what we want, can we. SO FINALLY I (Once Again) AGREE WITH YOU AS LONG AS IT TAKES PLACE IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THE AFGHAN MOUNTAINS, THERE ARE FOREST, RIVERS/LAKES, AND PLENTY OF CANYONS.
That way there isn't only jungle, you still get your desert and 'cities'
...ok. Peace ;)
thank god haha
Be it city or jungle there should be at least one fight in a bowling alley.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Aug 11, 2013, 10:05:32 PM
Alright I'm trying to keep my cool here....When I say the jungle has variety I mean it has variety all over the place in a very small amount of distance, between the different plants and animals that are always surrounding you it out does the desert environment. In the desert you don't have all of those plants and animals, you have some sand/sand dunes, some canyons miles away, and some towns that are just as far away, so I agree yes there is variety, but it's not even close to all the variety you can find in all directions in the jungle, each step you see new plants/animals/sounds/insects/dangers/etc...Now I am trying to tell you MASTER that I do agree with you that it could be in a desert environment, BUT ONLY if it was a part of the desert where there are trees, maybe a river or water source, and of course a small town, exactly the place where the movie "Lone Survivor" is based on(Afghan)...I dont like to repeat myself either, but we cant always get what we want, can we. SO FINALLY I (Once Again) AGREE WITH YOU AS LONG AS IT TAKES PLACE IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THE AFGHAN MOUNTAINS, THERE ARE FOREST, RIVERS/LAKES, AND PLENTY OF CANYONS.
That way there isn't only jungle, you still get your desert and 'cities'
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Well congratulations, I don't care.
Afghanistan is actually a pretty good idea as far as variety goes.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 05, 2013, 12:34:18 AM
No, you're not. You're just keeping with the formula of what makes the creature/antagonist what it is. That's the purpose it serves; bringing us closer to our own primal beast.
A war setting would be ideal for that. I say desert because it can be tied into the war in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Do the two opposing forces team up to kill the Predator?
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 13, 2013, 06:31:19 PM
Do the two opposing forces team up to kill the Predator?
Yeah...Taliban and US forces team up.
If you wanted to turn the film into another sappy "people need to work together" vehicle, then that would be your best route I guess.
Haha. Doom like thost types of movies.
I do?
Was teasing.
Would the Predator prefer to hunt the US troops over the Iraq/Afghan troops? Or would it be similar to P2 and it just hunts everyone with a gun?
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 13, 2013, 06:53:15 PM
Was teasing.
Would the Predator prefer to hunt the US troops over the Iraq/Afghan troops? Or would it be similar to P2 and it just hunts everyone with a gun?
Instead of the Predator picking a single target it'd be interesting for two guys to be hunting each other. Imagine if there was a Chris Kyle type who's squad got killed by a Taliban group and he was left alone to hunt down the rest of them, including maybe one "elite" guy or something.
It'd be interesting for the Predator to be hunting two different guys who were hunting each other.
The whole people working together idea is not inherently sappy, it is just often done in a sappy way.
Look at the original Precinct 13. That movie is all about convicts and cops teaming up to defeat a street gang, but it is pure concentrated badass.
I will agree however, it is a tight rope to walk.
How about the moon or one of the colonies referred to in alien.
Shake and bake colony.
i know its already been done in games, books and comics.
Why not a film or a TV series even.
Quote from: SIMULANT on Aug 14, 2013, 03:22:14 AMHow about the moon or one of the colonies referred to in alien.
Shake and bake colony.
Actually, making a Predator movie set in the Alien universe - but without specifically referencing the Alien films - could be an interesting way to do it.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 13, 2013, 08:57:45 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 13, 2013, 06:53:15 PM
Was teasing.
Would the Predator prefer to hunt the US troops over the Iraq/Afghan troops? Or would it be similar to P2 and it just hunts everyone with a gun?
Instead of the Predator picking a single target it'd be interesting for two guys to be hunting each other. Imagine if there was a Chris Kyle type who's squad got killed by a Taliban group and he was left alone to hunt down the rest of them, including maybe one "elite" guy or something.
It'd be interesting for the Predator to be hunting two different guys who were hunting each other.
I think Chief's idea is simpler to execute but I like yours better. I think there'd be more potential with it.
I'd be curious to see how that scenario plays out. Now this has wondering how the Predator will reveal itsellf. Will it just watch and see what happens? Will it assist the lone soldier who lost his men by eliminating outside interference? It may look like it's helping, but the Predator still needs to have his fun too, I suppose. ;)
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 14, 2013, 01:49:53 PM
I'd be curious to see how that scenario plays out. Now this has wondering how the Predator will reveal itsellf. Will it just watch and see what happens? Will it assist the lone soldier who lost his men by eliminating outside interference? It may look like it's helping, but the Predator still needs to have his fun too, I suppose. ;)
I think an interesting final fight would be the two humans in a stand off, and the Predator thrown into the mix. But, neither human teams up with the Predator and they're both fighting each other, then they have a third party to contend with at the same time but don't want to work together.
I'm just imagining the predators cloaking malfunctioning in a sandstorm. Damn sand always getting evrywhere ;D
I don't think there should be any former enemies choosing to join up to fight the predator. The only time I'd accept it would be in a World War Two scenario with an American/British soldier deciding to work with a German soldier, I'm only saying that given the fact that there's some instances where German soldiers and officers who respected their enemies.
How do you know that doesn't happen today?
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Aug 15, 2013, 12:48:04 AM
I don't think there should be any former enemies choosing to join up to fight the predator. The only time I'd accept it would be in a World War Two scenario with an American/British soldier deciding to work with a German soldier, I'm only saying that given the fact that there's some instances where German soldiers and officers who respected their enemies.
World War I would make more sense in that case.
QuoteHow do you know that doesn't happen today?
Because now, the war that Taliban soldiers and Al Qaeda are fighting against the US is religion and principle based, not just governments at odds. I was in Afghanistan in 2010; we could hear these people call us "the sons of Bush" over their radio frequencies. I'm not saying they're a bunch of neanderthals. They're actually more middle class educated people than not, but that doesn't mean they don't hate us with every ounce of their being. Plus, the propaganda fed to US servicemembers has our people all completely terrified of the "terrorists" they're up against. So if they bump into each other somewhere in Afghanistan...it's not going to be pretty no matter what they'd have to team up against.
In WWI/WWII, the Germans never hated the British, so it would be a fairly realistic team-up scenario. Both times they were actually confused as to why the British joined forces with the French, who they did in fact hate alongside with the British for most of recorded history.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2013, 04:26:31 PMBecause now, the war that Taliban soldiers and Al Qaeda are fighting against the US is religion and principle based, not just governments at odds. I was in Afghanistan in 2010; we could hear these people call us "the sons of Bush" over their radio frequencies. I'm not saying they're a bunch of neanderthals. They're actually more middle class educated people than not, but that doesn't mean they don't hate us with every ounce of their being. Plus, the propaganda fed to US servicemembers has our people all completely terrified of the "terrorists" they're up against. So if they bump into each other somewhere in Afghanistan...it's not going to be pretty no matter what they'd have to team up against.
In WWI/WWII, the Germans never hated the British, so it would be a fairly realistic team-up scenario. Both times they were actually confused as to why the British joined forces with the French, who they did in fact hate alongside with the British for most of recorded history.
Exactly. In Africa, the British actually had tremendous respect for Rommel and his men. The Afrika Korps treated the British fairly and were never once accused of a single war crime, as far as I believe.
Why not have the Predator's invade a small mining town? Throw up a dome and unleash a bunch of other crazy monsters they bring along to spicen up the hunt.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2013, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Aug 15, 2013, 12:48:04 AM
I don't think there should be any former enemies choosing to join up to fight the predator. The only time I'd accept it would be in a World War Two scenario with an American/British soldier deciding to work with a German soldier, I'm only saying that given the fact that there's some instances where German soldiers and officers who respected their enemies.
World War I would make more sense in that case.
QuoteHow do you know that doesn't happen today?
Because now, the war that Taliban soldiers and Al Qaeda are fighting against the US is religion and principle based, not just governments at odds. I was in Afghanistan in 2010; we could hear these people call us "the sons of Bush" over their radio frequencies. I'm not saying they're a bunch of neanderthals. They're actually more middle class educated people than not, but that doesn't mean they don't hate us with every ounce of their being. Plus, the propaganda fed to US servicemembers has our people all completely terrified of the "terrorists" they're up against. So if they bump into each other somewhere in Afghanistan...it's not going to be pretty no matter what they'd have to team up against.
In WWI/WWII, the Germans never hated the British, so it would be a fairly realistic team-up scenario. Both times they were actually confused as to why the British joined forces with the French, who they did in fact hate alongside with the British for most of recorded history.
I won't disagree with you but I imagine there are a few of them that could work together if they find they have a common enemy that is causing them immediate harm.
Probably only after said monster has had a very successful string of murders on both sides.
Quote from: Komenja on Aug 16, 2013, 01:31:16 PM
Probably only after said monster has had a very successful string of murders on both sides.
Americans find a bunch of their guys skinned and hanging upside down? Yeah, they'd blame the Taliban in a heartbeat. Actually would be a pretty interesting angle for them to not suspect a Predator lurking around.
Mix both together so everyone is confused.
Then the Predator picks them off one by one until one Ranger and one Taliban is left. They end up working together.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 16, 2013, 07:37:39 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 15, 2013, 04:26:31 PMBecause now, the war that Taliban soldiers and Al Qaeda are fighting against the US is religion and principle based, not just governments at odds. I was in Afghanistan in 2010; we could hear these people call us "the sons of Bush" over their radio frequencies. I'm not saying they're a bunch of neanderthals. They're actually more middle class educated people than not, but that doesn't mean they don't hate us with every ounce of their being. Plus, the propaganda fed to US servicemembers has our people all completely terrified of the "terrorists" they're up against. So if they bump into each other somewhere in Afghanistan...it's not going to be pretty no matter what they'd have to team up against.
In WWI/WWII, the Germans never hated the British, so it would be a fairly realistic team-up scenario. Both times they were actually confused as to why the British joined forces with the French, who they did in fact hate alongside with the British for most of recorded history.
Exactly. In Africa, the British actually had tremendous respect for Rommel and his men. The Afrika Korps treated the British fairly and were never once accused of a single war crime, as far as I believe.
I disagree. Germans during WW2 were realy evil bastards and I don`t want them as protogonists. As yet another obstacle for mixed allied commando team? Why not. Still, if they were to make Predator film in the past, then really go back in time like middle ages or ancient times, damn it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
Then the Predator picks them off one by one until one Ranger and one Taliban is left. They end up working together.
That`s actually interesting, though I`d like it to be more complicated then this.
Quote from: Master on Aug 16, 2013, 06:06:52 PMI disagree. Germans during WW2 were realy evil bastards and I don`t want them as protogonists. As yet another obstacle for mixed allied commando team? Why not. Still, if they were to make Predator film in the past, then really go back in time like middle ages or ancient times, damn it.
They really weren't. The Nazis were evil bastards. The Germans as a whole were just people, just like the Americans and just like us Brits. Saying every German was evil is incredibly ignorant.
And the Nazis weren`t germans? Hitler was elected in democratic way, ya know. Of course not all were evil, still they did what they did and it wouldn`t be possible without mobilisation of whole country.
Still I`m against it. Nothing should make Nazis or Comunists good guys.
You're also clearly completely ignorant of the fact that, when he was first elected. Hitler did a huge amount of good for Germany. He completely turned the country around when it was in a complete mess after WWI. Too bad he turned out to be a complete psychopath.
Implying the German people elected him knowing full well what he was going to go on to do is unbelievably wrong.
Still they were serving him for next six years. But yeah you are right, gremans were all ok. Those retched allies were bad. Please man don`t defend what can`t really be defended. Nazis and germans were at that time synonymous (that`s why it`s called Nazi Germany or Third Reich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany) ) and were mean sons of bitches. Shell I give you some pictures from concentration camps to remind you what we are talking about?
No.
Ok. Sorry Boss. I ate too much sweets and overreacted. I know film from such idea will never be produced, still guy pissed me off.
I guess if it was down to a Taliban and a US guy, they'd have to team up agains the Predator eventually, which sounds kind of corny but it's the only way to go AND it's better than them teaming up with the Predator.
QuoteI disagree. Germans during WW2 were realy evil bastards and I don`t want them as protogonists.
*sigh*
Try watching Das Boot and Stalingrad. And maybe Cross of Iron, although I haven't seen that one.
Also, using the word evil to describe anyone in real life is just plain silly. The word evil seems to imply that a person is some kind of product of otherworldly forces. It makes it easier and less scary to classify people who have embarrassed themselves and humanity.
The even scarier truth of the matter is that people who are considered "evil" are all products of human society. They grew up with parents and siblings and played with toys, but something went wrong along the way and it wasn't supernatural forces turning them into monstrous entities. It was other people.
I`ve seen those films. I consider Das Boot best film about submarine (and I do love films about submarines). I`ve also seen The Pianist, Schindler`s List, Der Untergang, Kanał (1956) and bazillion other films about WWII from different countries. I`ve also spoken with people that survived the war. I know there were alot of normal people in Wehrmacht. Still most of them did nothing to stop things from going the way they gone.
Evil is a big word, yes. I exaggerated on perpuos. Still things Nazi Germans did to civils during war were evil as f**k. But that`s not a place to talk about it. Though I`ll gladly talk with all of you about this elswere.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
Then the Predator picks them off one by one until one Ranger and one Taliban is left. They end up working together.
Maybe its the whole part of the predators plan instead it backfires. Teamwork ;D
When I originally posted I didn't pitch the idea that it be a guy in the SS siding with the American/British soldier. I intended on everyone getting the idea that it'd be a group of regular ground soldiers, you know the guys who where just fighting for their countries. This is the Internet though so I should have known I couldn't mention world war 2 and Germany in the same sentence with out some one getting upset.
It`s not my fault that this is touchy subject. It`s like making film about good Talibans fighting for their country and only by accident destroying The Towers. But as I said earlier, this film have no possibility to get made in this century ;) cause, as I said earlier, it`s touchy subject.
Also, like I said earlier, if there is Predator made in past, let`s use past before guys used guns.
Quote from: Master on Aug 17, 2013, 03:31:09 PM
It`s not my fault that this is touchy subject. It`s like making film about good Talibans fighting for their country and only by accident destroying The Towers. But as I said earlier, this film have no possibility to get made in this century ;) cause, as I said earlier, it`s touchy subject.
Also, like I said earlier, if there is Predator made in past, let`s use past before guys used guns.
Alright, dont go there, dont start saying shit that terrorist 'accidentally' destroyed two towers taking the lives of 3,017 innocent people, including my closest cousin. This is strictly an avp and predator and alien website, dont even f**king bring up 9/11, stay as far away as that subject as possible because to me I take great offence from that as most others do. If you werent talking about 9/11 my bad I apologize, I just dont like remembering my cousins death and that someone would call it an 'accident'.
Master, if you want to defend your post, PM DerelictShip.
There are other areas of the board to talk about this stuff. Stay on topic team.
Master Chief @
I only was replaying to posts that were addresed to me. I asked to change place of this disscusion like page ago. If you want to be fair then don`t blame me only.
DerelictShip @
I feel thesame about WWII and defending people that caused it.
From now on all things about history etc. should be PM to me. I won`t reply here, to things not related to Predator.
Anyway back to the actual thread, in terms of a film being based in a desert film, there's plenty of films that have used it as a back drop in the last few years.
I know an ice setting has already been used in the first alien vs predator film but instead of a whaling station perhaps Alaska.
Basically 30 days of night with predators?
I still think it would be better if they took the Predator back in time to feudal Japan. Lets pit the Predator against the samurai and ninja!
Quote from: SIMULANT on Aug 17, 2013, 11:57:30 PM
Anyway back to the actual thread, in terms of a film being based in a desert film, there's plenty of films that have used it as a back drop in the last few years.
I know an ice setting has already been used in the first alien vs predator film but instead of a whaling station perhaps Alaska.
Basically 30 days of night with predators?
Well, it breaks abit what was established in p1 and p2. Preds are drawn by heat and conflict. Not much conflict in alaska, not very hot either. As a place of ritual hunt I can dig it, but as regular Predator film, not so much.
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 18, 2013, 01:54:52 AM
I still think it would be better if they took the Predator back in time to feudal Japan. Lets pit the Predator against the samurai and ninja!
If they were making prequel then why not. Predator vs samurai was already done in Ps though.
I`d love to see small group (like four) of black opps/assasin team sent to kill local warlord/terrorist leader. On their way to warlord`s stronghold they take out many combatants effortlessly. When they finaly do get into the stronghold they find only skined or headless bodys.
In the mean time, we can see a dark room lightened by monitors. Few man are siting by monitors, one of them say "They are in sir."Another person we can`t see say "Good".
Group of assasins are serching the stronghold. Suddenly they are attacked by invisible predator. They try to fight him, but are being taken out, one by one.
In dark room, man by the monitor say " They engaged the creature sir. I don`t know how long they last." Another man get closer to monitors and we now see it`s Garber, he replys " Ok. send the gunship in."
Only two black opps remain, they are runing away covering each other, throwing granades but the creature is still after them. Suddenly they hear chooper and spotlights are illuminating windows. Outside hi-tech futuristic looking chooper gets near stronghold and starts shooting. Solldiers are running away and jump out of the window just seconds before rockets hitts the building.
That`s how I`d envision first act.
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 18, 2013, 01:54:52 AM
I still think it would be better if they took the Predator back in time to feudal Japan. Lets pit the Predator against the samurai and ninja!
It worked for 30 seconds in Predators...aaaaand I'm good.
Quote from: Master Chief on Aug 18, 2013, 01:54:52 AM
I still think it would be better if they took the Predator back in time to feudal Japan. Lets pit the Predator against the samurai and ninja!
So it would be like the Wolverine except with the predator, no love interests, no mutants and the villian would be a powerful japanase man that wants to settle an old score. Thats how I see it.
Quote from: SIMULANT on Aug 17, 2013, 11:57:30 PM
Anyway back to the actual thread, in terms of a film being based in a desert film, there's plenty of films that have used it as a back drop in the last few years.
I know an ice setting has already been used in the first alien vs predator film but instead of a whaling station perhaps Alaska.
Basically 30 days of night with predators?
Just for the sake of conversation. I never really liked the idea of the predators fighting in the snow. Because they are more drawn to heat and conflict. AVP is understandable as its a trail in which there not in there element and have to overcome it. Though snowstorms could make it real claustrophobic.
Quote from: SIMULANT on Aug 17, 2013, 11:57:30 PM
Anyway back to the actual thread, in terms of a film being based in a desert film, there's plenty of films that have used it as a back drop in the last few years.
I know an ice setting has already been used in the first alien vs predator film but instead of a whaling station perhaps Alaska.
Basically 30 days of night with predators?
That could work too. But, there would need to be some kind of conflict. Remember that's what draws a Predator to an area. What sort of battle is going to be raged in an arctic wasteland?
Corporations battling for oil and baby seals?
Seriously, could be a secret base under siege?
I wouldn't say there HAS to be a war going on. After all, there was no war in Predators, and to be honest even in the original the war was kinda over once Arnie and his boys had killed absolutely everybody.
In my eyes the conflict thing is one of the more flexible aspects of the formula; the Predators may like the extra challenge that a surrounding conflict brings, and it would certainly help mask their activities, but if the setting was remote enough that they wouldn't be discovered I can see no reason why they wouldn't just stalk a bunch of people that weren't up to their neck in warfare. Still fits the idea to me.
Yeah, warfare is what I refer to. A full-blown war is too much. A small conflict, even if it's just one gang vs. another is good enough.
Post-apocalyptic ruins, driven by peak oil, global warming, and economic collapse. After a few minutes into the movie, they feel sorry for humans and leave. ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 19, 2013, 02:25:19 PM
Yeah, warfare is what I refer to. A full-blown war is too much. A small conflict, even if it's just one gang vs. another is good enough.
It's funny because the last three Predator films completely ignored this.
AvP is some bullshit rite of passage in the snow, AvPR is some bullshit secret agent trying to cover up evidence, and Predators is about a bunch of Predators who were too weak sauce to leave their bullshit planet to hunt people.
The conflict thing was integral to the first two movies in my opinion and I don't get why it's been ignored since then.
Well... the fact the Predator in AVPR was cleaning up a mess created by the Predators actually pretty much explains away the need for surrounding conflict, so that makes sense (and I never thought I would EVER find myself defending something about that movie).
But as for the others.... Yeah, they just ignored it. With Predators, I'd say it was probably just done to reduce the scale so the film was cheaper to make.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 20, 2013, 06:22:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 19, 2013, 02:25:19 PM
Yeah, warfare is what I refer to. A full-blown war is too much. A small conflict, even if it's just one gang vs. another is good enough.
It's funny because the last three Predator films completely ignored this.
AvP is some bullshit rite of passage in the snow, AvPR is some bullshit secret agent trying to cover up evidence, and Predators is about a bunch of Predators who were too weak sauce to leave their bullshit planet to hunt people.
The conflict thing was integral to the first two movies in my opinion and I don't get why it's been ignored since then.
The AvP movies weren't Predator films...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 20, 2013, 11:14:09 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 20, 2013, 06:22:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 19, 2013, 02:25:19 PM
Yeah, warfare is what I refer to. A full-blown war is too much. A small conflict, even if it's just one gang vs. another is good enough.
It's funny because the last three Predator films completely ignored this.
AvP is some bullshit rite of passage in the snow, AvPR is some bullshit secret agent trying to cover up evidence, and Predators is about a bunch of Predators who were too weak sauce to leave their bullshit planet to hunt people.
The conflict thing was integral to the first two movies in my opinion and I don't get why it's been ignored since then.
The AvP movies weren't Predator films...
I'd say they're both Alien and Predator films, whether we like it or not.
It's like people who still refer to The Alien Trilogy. Doesn't exist.
They're AvP movies, nothing more. That's why they have separate titles.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2013, 11:28:30 AM
They're AvP movies, nothing more. That's why they have separate titles.
Separate titles, with both other franchise titles in them. ;)
So? I still consider them movies unto themselves with no ties to the others.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2013, 06:02:12 PM
So? I still consider them movies unto themselves with no ties to the others.
That's fine.
I'd like it in a jungle planet in the future. I'd like to see Predators take on futuristic humans in a movie to further showcase their technological prowess. That way you can see them use more toys to combat upgraded humans.
Quote from: Jegeren on Sep 11, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
I'd like it in a jungle planet in the future. I'd like to see Predators take on futuristic humans Colonial Marines in a movie to further showcase their technological prowess. That way you can see them use more toys to combat upgraded humans.
CMs are just cannon fodder and should not be in any Predator movie.
Quote from: Jegeren on Sep 11, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
I'd like it in a jungle planet in the future. I'd like to see Predators take on futuristic humans in a movie to further showcase their technological prowess. That way you can see them use more toys to combat upgraded humans.
What's your idea of a futuristic human?
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 11, 2013, 03:21:15 PM
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:D Touché!
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 03:10:59 PMCMs are just cannon fodder and should not be in any Predator movie.
They're only canon fodder because the video games have tended to portray them that way. They could easily be moulded into a credible threat.
They tried to make them badass in Aliens and failed miserably. Lets give another branch of the military a shot at killing a Predator.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 05:51:25 PM
They tried to make them badass in Aliens and failed miserably. Lets give another branch of the military a shot at killing a Predator.
???
How were they not badasses in Aliens? The first time they get their asses kicked because they weren't allowed to use their guns. The next time they were, and about four people took out maybe twenty Aliens.
Maybe he's referring to the fact most of them got killed. Because, you know, Arnie's team did so well on that front in the first movie... :P
I can't imagine the Colonial Army would be much different from the Colonial Marines.
The difference between the army soldiers in Halo Reach and the marines in the main trilogy are aesthetic at most.
The colonial army/marine equivalent to green berets, delta force, rangers or force recon would be interesting to see.
QuoteHow were they not badasses in Aliens? The first time they get their asses kicked because they weren't allowed to use their guns. The next time they were, and about four people took out maybe twenty Aliens.
It was closer to like 12. The grenade scene in the ducts doesn't really count. And when they went into the hive during the first firefight after killing the chestburster, it was 12 Marines that went in, and only 3 that came out.
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 11, 2013, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 05:51:25 PM
They tried to make them badass in Aliens and failed miserably. Lets give another branch of the military a shot at killing a Predator.
???
How were they not badasses in Aliens? The first time they get their asses kicked because they weren't allowed to use their guns. The next time they were, and about four people took out maybe twenty Aliens.
Anyone with a gun can kill an alien so that doesn't make them badass. The CMs we've seen in the movie and in the games are the sloppiest batch of marines I've seen. If they panicked when the aliens attacked, which are monsters they can see, how do you think they'll react to a monster with guns that they can't see? The Predator will slaughter them.
QuoteAnyone with a gun can kill an alien so that doesn't make them badass.
There are so many things wrong with this sentence I don't know where to start . . .
Start by posting all of the things wrong with it.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 11, 2013, 07:21:33 PM
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 05:51:25 PM
They tried to make them badass in Aliens and failed miserably. Lets give another branch of the military a shot at killing a Predator.
???
How were they not badasses in Aliens? The first time they get their asses kicked because they weren't allowed to use their guns. The next time they were, and about four people took out maybe twenty Aliens.
Anyone with a gun can kill an alien so that doesn't make them badass. The CMs we've seen in the movie and in the games are the sloppiest batch of marines I've seen. If they panicked when the aliens attacked, which are monsters they can see, how do you think they'll react to a monster with guns that they can't see? The Predator will slaughter them.
Yeah if a pizza boy with no firearms training can kill a adult xenomorph. Anyone can.....
Spoiler
AVPR!!!
Anyway there are the few marines that can kill dozens of aliens and even predators in the games too.
Quote from: DC on Sep 11, 2013, 09:22:44 PM
QuoteHow were they not badasses in Aliens? The first time they get their asses kicked because they weren't allowed to use their guns. The next time they were, and about four people took out maybe twenty Aliens.
It was closer to like 12. The grenade scene in the ducts doesn't really count. And when they went into the hive during the first firefight after killing the chestburster, it was 12 Marines that went in, and only 3 that came out.
Not too sure where you guys are getting these numbers, we never see how many Aliens are killed off screen (when we're shown the marines firing) and we're never given any idea how many are actually killed, weather it was 6, 12, 20, or 30 we'll never actually know.
Video game portrayals of the USCM can't be taken into account because for the most part you're never with any other marines. In AVP10 there are very few instances where as The Rookie you play with 1 or 2 allied bots, and they tend to last a good while until being scripted to die or scripted to stay behind. The marines in the marine campaign are killed off to give you the Doom 3 lone survivor feel.
If you watch the marines fight the xeno's in AVP10 (you can do this as the predator) the marines win a little more than of the time, even when outnumbered in some cases. That's the best example we'll get of unscripted (movie or game) marine vs xenomorph combat.
All that being said the Predator is a completely different enemy and has completely different combat characteristics. I'd say the USCM is better equipped to fight the Predator(s) than they are xenomorphs. Motion trackers, infra red, auto tracking hand held and stationary machine guns, and that's just the stuff in the movie, it's been a while since I read the technical manual but I'm sure there are some more goodies in there.
Since the marines have some of the best on tech screen in a sci fi movie I think itd be a great hunt to watch, and a formidable/challenging one for the Predator(s)
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 09:35:26 PM
Start by posting all of the things wrong with it.
1. No, not
anyone with a gun can kill an alien.
2. You are forgetting they have infrared, and would easily be able to find the predator.
3. Vasquez was pretty badass, as was Drake, and Apone, and the latter two died with the other 10 marines in the first battle.
4. Aliens are much more dangerous and physically threatening than you're giving them credit for. Predators without their equipment are only about a third of the threat that a full grown alien possesses to an unwary human, regardless of his orientation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but infrared is a form of light and the predators cloaking bends all light from the electromagnetic spectrum.
Continuing with the topic, the Predator wouldn't even bother collecting skulls from the CMs. They just don't have the proper training as a special forces unit.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 10:07:59 PM
Continuing with the topic, the Predator wouldn't even bother collecting skulls from the CMs. They just don't have the proper training as a special forces unit.
Neither did the detectives in Predator 2....
The detectives ran towards danger; the CMs ran from it.
That's two completely different scenarios
My point is the marines portrayed were garbage. If the invisible hunter was hunting them, they'd probably light each other on fire in panic. (Love that part in Aliens)
If they made them like the SEALs in Act of Valor, I'd be ok with it.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
If they made them like the SEALs in Act of Valor, I'd be ok with it.
Given the fact a lot of stuff tends to be grounded in reality today I think they would be written that way, you would probably see more personalities like Hicks' and Apone's as opposed to ones like Hudson's. That's how I had thought they would be when I originally edited the post. Enough personality to make them likable or hate-able plus the seriousness of their real world counter parts
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Sep 11, 2013, 12:37:41 AM
Quote from: Jegeren on Sep 11, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
I'd like it in a jungle planet in the future. I'd like to see Predators take on futuristic humans Colonial Marines in a movie to further showcase their technological prowess. That way you can see them use more toys to combat upgraded humans.
I'd be all for that in a another AVP film, which I believe should have taken place in the futuristic Alien universe anyway as that is where almost every comic and game has taken place. Since newer movies involving Aliens or Predators are distancing themselves from the AVP franchise, if the film is strictly Predators only, and if it were to be in the future, you won't see Colonial Marines. I think that would actually work in favor of the premise. For example, the humans could wield energy weapons of their own and since one of the most well known facets of the Predator is their highly advanced weaponry, it could make an interesting way to show just how advanced Predators as a species are when they are hunting more advanced humans.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 10:29:30 PMThe detectives ran towards danger; the CMs ran from it.
Yeah, I distinctly remember Arnie and all his boys running towards the Predator.
Oh wait, they all ran away. Until they went mad, turned to face it and died immediately.
We were talking about the detectives in P2.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 12, 2013, 08:06:04 AM
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 11, 2013, 10:29:30 PMThe detectives ran towards danger; the CMs ran from it.
Yeah, I distinctly remember Arnie and all his boys running towards the Predator.
Only a couple of them chased the Predator after their trap had failed.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 12, 2013, 08:06:04 AM
Oh wait, they all ran away. Until they went mad, turned to face it and died immediately.
Once they knew they were in over their head, yes they fled. As for them going mad, I would say they were running on emotions. At least Mac was, he just wanted to have some fun.
I'd say Billy was as well. Who else would be stupid enough to try and go toe-to-toe with a Predator?
Dutch, Harrigan, Keyes, Lambert (only because he was trapped), King Willy...to name a few.
Billy had definitely gone over the edge.
Mac was a couple of cans short of a six pack too.
Blaine and Billy seemed like the two most mentally unstable of he six of them to me.
Quote from: Master Chief on Sep 12, 2013, 05:43:16 PM
Dutch, Harrigan, Keyes, Lambert (only because he was trapped), King Willy...to name a few.
Good point but if I may, I'd like to point out that Dutch had to as he was in a die or die situation, Harrigan had a one up on the Predator as it was missing an arm, and King Willy didn't know who or what he was fighting.
Of course. I was just pointing out that there were plenty who chose to stand up to the Predator in a one-on-one battle.
Quote from: DC on Sep 12, 2013, 05:57:51 PM
Blaine and Billy seemed like the two most mentally unstable of he six of them to me.
I can understand why people say Billy, but why do you say Blain was unstable?
Well come on Chief. You should know as a military man, no one person walks into battle with a minigun. The recoil is too much to handle!
So what are you calling me? That's what I used for my sidearm. ;D
Well you are The Chief.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 12, 2013, 06:09:22 PMGood point but if I may, I'd like to point out that Dutch had to as he was in a die or die situation, Harrigan had a one up on the Predator as it was missing an arm, and King Willy didn't know who or what he was fighting.
Dutch had essentially escaped the Predator after first covering himself in mud. After that he didn't
have to fight the Predator at all. The creature had wandered off and showed little sign of chasing him down. Dutch could've just legged it. But he didn't. He made a conscious choice to stay, alert the Predator of his survival and then fight it to the death.
As for Harrigan only choosing to fight the Predator because it only had one arm left, that's a pretty ridiculous statement. The Predator only had one arm because Harrigan had already taken it on and cut the other one off.
I don't agree with the Predator leaving him alone. I think had the chopper shown up, it would've followed Dutch down and killed everyone at that point.
After escaping the river, Arnie has an awfully long time to make a spears and bows and arrows and set traps everywhere, during which time the Predator's nowhere to be seen. Then when Dutch finally lights his fire and yells out to get the Predator's attention, the thing's just sat in a tree chillin'. It's not even out searching for him.
Yes but what I'm saying is that when the chopper finally showed up, had Anytime not been finished off, he might have heard the noise of it, come running, then killed everyone in the process. Also, I doubt Dutch would've been able to wade through the jungle without alerting Anytime to his presence.
Wrong. The extraction helicopter had already arrived. Anna gets on it (off-screen) just after Dutch tells her to "Get to the chopper!" Then Dutch fights the Predator that night, before Anna comes back the following morning with the General to search for Dutch.
Besides, the chopper arriving is irrelevant. The point is, Arnie chose to fight the Predator. He wasn't forced to like you said. As for not being able to wade through the jungle unnoticed, he managed to build all those traps and a massive fire without the Predator having a clue.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 14, 2013, 03:22:31 PM
Wrong. The extraction helicopter had already arrived. Anna gets on it (off-screen) just after Dutch tells her to "Get to the chopper!" Then Dutch fights the Predator that night, before Anna comes back the following morning with the General to search for Dutch.
Besides, the chopper arriving is irrelevant. The point is, Arnie chose to fight the Predator. He wasn't forced to like you said. As for not being able to wade through the jungle unnoticed, he managed to build all those traps and a massive fire without the Predator having a clue.
Not to be a troll though I may sound like it:
First off we have no clue if the helicopter is there or not, so there is no answer for certain on that, even if it makes more sense that it would already be there and not coming later, but you just never know.
Secondly, the Predator did notice the traps, if you remember he snuck in through the trees to get his 'trophy kill', around the perimeter that Dutch's team made. But if you're talking about where the Predator gets caught in the second set of traps then yes the Predator had no clue it was there.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 15, 2013, 01:19:18 AMNot to be a troll though I may sound like it:
First off we have no clue if the helicopter is there or not, so there is no answer for certain on that, even if it makes more sense that it would already be there and not coming later, but you just never know.
Secondly, the Predator did notice the traps, if you remember he snuck in through the trees to get his 'trophy kill', around the perimeter that Dutch's team made. But if you're talking about where the Predator gets caught in the second set of traps then yes the Predator had no clue it was there.
Not trolling, it's a valid question.
But of course the helicopter had already arrived and collected Anna. How do we know this? Because the General is on it when it comes to pick up Dutch at the end.
No way in hell would a General just ride along on a common extraction mission for a special forces team. Ergo, the chopper collected Anna already, she went back to base and told the General what was going down, and
then he went back with her to find Dutch. If I remember right, the novelization specifically tells us this, but even from the film it's obvious. Plus, all the way through the film, Dillon is bitching that they don't have time to mess around or they'll miss the extraction chopper, and it won't wait. If the helicopter is only supposed to arrive when it does at the end, after Arnie had a whole day and a night to build traps, what was the rush?
As for your second point, you completely mis-read what I said. I said the Predator didn't notice Dutch running around building all his traps
after he loses all his gear in the river. That is going to take a lot of time (it's night by the time he is finished), and all throughout that period, the Predator is nowhere to be seen. Arnie can't possibly be all that far from where the Predator lost him in the river, and what with all this trap and giant bonfire building going on he wouldn't be that hard to find. So it seems to me like the Predator has just left him at this point (until Dutch does his war cry to tell the thing that he's still alive).
Neither... How about some New exotic location... like the predator homeworld or a spacecolony like in the video games :)
The predators have been in the jungle two times now as well as a city environment... Its time for some real change
QuoteNot trolling, it's a valid question.
But of course the helicopter had already arrived and collected Anna. How do we know this? Because the General is on it when it comes to pick up Dutch at the end. No way in hell would a General just ride along on a common extraction mission for a special forces team. Ergo, the chopper collected Anna already, she went back to base and told the General what was going down, and then he went back with her to find Dutch. If I remember right, the novelization specifically tells us this, but even from the film it's obvious. Plus, all the way through the film, Dillon is bitching that they don't have time to mess around or they'll miss the extraction chopper, and it won't wait. If the helicopter is only supposed to arrive when it does at the end, after Arnie had a whole day and a night to build traps, what was the rush?
As for your second point, you completely mis-read what I said. I said the Predator didn't notice Dutch running around building all his traps after he loses all his gear in the river. That is going to take a lot of time (it's night by the time he is finished), and all throughout that period, the Predator is nowhere to be seen. Arnie can't possibly be all that far from where the Predator lost him in the river, and what with all this trap and giant bonfire building going on he wouldn't be that hard to find. So it seems to me like the Predator has just left him at this point (until Dutch does his war cry to tell the thing that he's still alive).
In my mind it makes sense for the helicopter to already be there, but there are some instances where the helicopter arrives, does a touch and go, and continues off. (A touch and go is where the helicopter lands for a split second then takes back off, just in case you didn't know). But the bottom line is unless they showed it in the film, not the novelization, then there is no way to be 100% sure it was already there. But once again, I completely agree with you that it makes more sense that it would already be there, now lets just stop talking about the helicopter because honestly its an argument that makes us look like to retards trying to find the corner in a circular room.
I apologize for my misunderstanding, my bad. The Predator 'left' Dutch because he couldn't find him, remember the whole river/heat vision/mud scene. After that he returned to Billy's body, and meanwhile Dutch is building his traps. Let me split this up for you:
(After Predator 'leaves')
The Predator- Returns to Billy's body. After some unmentioned amount of time we see the Predator rip out Billy's skull, taking a trophy. After another uncertain amount of time the Predator hears Dutch's war cry. So the Predator didn't notice the traps because he left to make a trophy of Billy's skull, and I'm guessing it took so long because to them it's supposed to be a sacred event.
Dutch- Okay, I think the problem is that you are overwhelmed that Dutch built all of that with only so much time (Probably 8-11 hours max). My guess is that he arrived at his 'last stand' at like 10:00 a.m. just judging by the amount of light. So in lets say 11 hours (It would now be 9:00 p.m.) he finished building a fire, like twenty wooden spikes, a log stump hanging by a tree, and a bow and arrows. Now you have to realize that people in the military would surprise you with what they can do, 11 hours to them, and specifically Dutch who is an elite soldier, could turn that 11 hours and do stuff that would take you and me a week or two. Especially when you are driven by vengeance and the will to survive. Building a fire takes ten minutes, all you have to do is collect sticks which there are plenty of in the jungle. The wooden spikes would probably take two hours, the bow and arrows maybe another two hours or longer, and the log stump might take an hour if something goes wrong. Then of course he calls for the Predator.
So in my opinion the Predator probably went off and did its own thing, not really stressing over Dutch. But then of course when the call was heard he answered.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 14, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
After escaping the river, Arnie has an awfully long time to make a spears and bows and arrows and set traps everywhere, during which time the Predator's nowhere to be seen. Then when Dutch finally lights his fire and yells out to get the Predator's attention, the thing's just sat in a tree chillin'. It's not even out searching for him.
Arnie had the advantage of knowing how to be invisble to the predator with the mud.
Ontopic, its hard to tell what enviroment would be next for the predator, you can make one on a rock in space with maybe some mystery like in the first Alien movie, but then again it would be Alien but with a predator :D
You can make one in space on a big militairy ship with colonial marines and the militairy ship gets critical eventually after some big fights with a pred or two/three and some survivors escape and then move/crash on to a planet with a small predator installation and again some mystery and clues about the predator world and culture, and why the big colonial marine ship was in the close range of the predator installation and why there were Yutani personel on board etc etc cook up and create some interesting stuff.
and you can do another one on Earth somewhere but i dont think it would work.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 20, 2013, 04:18:25 PMIn my mind it makes sense for the helicopter to already be there, but there are some instances where the helicopter arrives, does a touch and go, and continues off. (A touch and go is where the helicopter lands for a split second then takes back off, just in case you didn't know). But the bottom line is unless they showed it in the film, not the novelization, then there is no way to be 100% sure it was already there. But once again, I completely agree with you that it makes more sense that it would already be there, now lets just stop talking about the helicopter because honestly its an argument that makes us look like to retards trying to find the corner in a circular room.
Even if the chopper did only do a touch and go, it's still a covert combat operation behind enemy lines and there's no way in hell the General would ever be on board for that. Ergo, it already arrived, left, then came back the following day with the General and Anna. Coupled with the fact it doesn't arrive for Dutch until
the following day, that's indisputable.
Quote from: DerelictShip on Oct 20, 2013, 04:18:25 PMSo in my opinion the Predator probably went off and did its own thing, not really stressing over Dutch. But then of course when the call was heard he answered.
That was in fact exactlty the point I was trying to make :) The Predator's walked away. Even if it only took Dutch 5 hours to make all that stuff, that's 5 hours that the Predator is
not searching for him. And it doesn't take 5 hours to pull out a skull. Saying it might involve some ritual that takes a whole day is just making stuff up to fit the pattern. In the film, he tears out Billy's skull and carelessly throws the body out of the tree. It takes like 5 seconds. Not much of a ritual. With so much time to fill, it's only logical that the Predator doesn't much care about Dutch any more, whether he thinks he's dead or just isn't interested, until it hears his war cry.
Quote from: Infected on Nov 07, 2013, 12:27:31 PMArnie had the advantage of knowing how to be invisble to the predator with the mud.
You completely missed my point. Arnie isn't covered with mud at all while he's making all these traps. He only muds up once he's ready to fight the Predator, after he's made everything.
The entire time he's building all that stuff, the Predator's just left him to it. Despite all the noise and commotion he's making.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 07, 2013, 12:59:39 PM
You completely missed my point. Arnie isn't covered with mud at all while he's making all these traps. He only muds up once he's ready to fight the Predator, after he's made everything.
The entire time he's building all that stuff, the Predator's just left him to it. Despite all the noise and commotion he's making.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWwhIjYBan0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWwhIjYBan0#)
First, Predator must have been far away from where the final battle took place, so the sound could not have reached. And none of preparation was as loud as his shout.
Second, Predator was busy taking care of his trophies.
Third, he didn't know whether Dutch survived or not at that point.
Quote from: demonbane on Nov 11, 2013, 02:45:36 AMFirst, Predator must have been far away from where the final battle took place, so the sound could not have reached. And none of preparation was as loud as his shout.
Second, Predator was busy taking care of his trophies.
Third, he didn't know whether Dutch survived or not at that point.
Once again, you've missed my point, and are basically trying to argue exactly what I was saying.
If the Predator gave a damn about Dutch, he could've found him pretty easily. Dutch can't possibly have gone all that far from where the Predator lost him in the river (in fact, wide shots of the beginning of the battle show it's taking place directly alongside the river). With that as a starting point, I find it very hard to believe the Predator couldn't have found him again if it had wanted to, especially if Dutch is cutting down trees and making traps and building an ENORMOUS fire.
Ergo, the Predator doesn't care about Dutch any more, and has essentially let him go at this point. Only when it hears his battle cry does it show any interest in getting him.
@ HuDaFuk (sorry for messing up the quote) :D
Quote from: Infected on Nov 07, 2013, 12:27:31 PMArnie had the advantage of knowing how to be invisble to the predator with the mud.
You completely missed my point. Arnie isn't covered with mud at all while he's making all these traps. He only muds up once he's ready to fight the Predator, after he's made everything.
The entire time he's building all that stuff, the Predator's just left him to it. Despite all the noise and commotion he's making.
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Yess but at that moment arnie doesnt wipe off his mud, and the pred has lost his cloaking due to the water so the roles are turned at this point, maybe the pred stays in hiding for a time to dry out and reactivate his cloaking.
The pred also knows its a hot area not only with the americans but also with the other hostile troops.
How about somewhere completely new?
Like where?
Desert in combat zone or what about feudal Japan?
Finally! Another fan that's onboard with a Feudal Japan setting.
Starring: Ken Watanabe, Hiroyuki Sanada, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, and Tom Cruise
I'd be all for that setting.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
Like where?
The Predator home world...Xenomorph Prime.
Hell I don't know. Just want to see something new.
I`m all for dessert setting, with new team after predator in "First Blood"-like scenario.
Quote from: Master Chief on Nov 22, 2013, 03:27:09 PM
Finally! Another fan that's onboard with a Feudal Japan setting.
Starring: Ken Watanabe, Hiroyuki Sanada, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, and Tom Cruise
I don't see that being a fair fight. A Predator is going to walk through them.
C'mon Doom, you and I know that the Predator isn't going to use its plasma cannon against expert swordsman. ;)
A sword fight would be sweet, I'll admit.
Make South China Sea into a movie
That is all
If Xenos are involved in any way then stick to a future/space setting.
If its just Preds and humans, then a remote location where the humans must rely on ingenuity and cunning to stay alive. A populated area has too much back-up available, keep our characters cut-off from help and keep the tension going.
I want to see preds fighting xenos and humans in some huge spaceship like the Auriga. The sweet thing about this setting is that there's nowhere to run - you are forced to stay and fight.
I think people have defended what I'm about to say, but I'm still saying it - a desert is a terrible place for a predator.
A big open space with lots of room for people to see what's around them? Even if there's dunes or whatever, the predator has nothing to do but awkwardly run towards a group of soldiers, kill one, and just awkwardly run away while the rest of the guys fire at the only moving target in plain sight for 15 minutes. Even if the creature stays cloaked the whole time it'll look stupid. The only way a desert would work would be in a ruined city, with lots of room for the predator to climb and hide. In that case, the desert tag could easily be swapped for something else anyway.
Since I've always been interested in those Predator 2 trophy skulls, I think an alien jungle would be great. Not the one from Predators, but rather something actually strange, with weird looking plants, rock formations, et cetera.
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Rugosa from The Clone Wars, for example (the strange formations being coral on a dried up ocean), but higher and more densely populated with alien flora.
I'm with MrSpaceJockey. Give me a distinctly different alien landscape.
Or a spacehship.
A spaceship sounds exciting but I think a desert could work somehow. A Predator tearing up an army base in Iraq sounds like fun to me.
I like to believe that if you're of a serious mind to get it done, any setting can work, and I don't see why a wide open space like a desert would be exempt. If anything, if it is a question specifically of doing something new with Predator, a wide open space would certainly be that, if it is nothing else. Imagine the scene where cloaked or perhaps not, the Predator advances towards the group of people we've been following except they are dramatically out of ammunition. They can do little other than stare or take wild flight at the Predator's in-plain-sight advance. It would be reminiscent of a lion or cheetah running down a pack of antelope, and oh dear which of our fun human characters is going to get it? Or what about the scene or scenes, where it is time to sleep, but will it be ok with only 1 person on guard duty? Makes more sense to have 2 or 3, and what will that be able to accomplish anyway if it comes down to it, assuming they think of the Predator as what might as well be a force of nature? There are new (as far as Predator is concerned) modes of drama and tension to be explored even if my examples sound silly. Crafty movie artistry can go a long way towards making even my two example scenes work. Or plain brute style, if you got enough style you can get away with murder, in this case literally ;D
If I can think of something even semi-viable, the people that do this for a living are certainly more than capable. I would be ok with a movie that diverged from sneaky sneaky and jump scare-y slasher genre modes to try something new. I have nothing against more of the same either. Slasher and the Predator go together like panties on ass, so it's not like I'm gonna complain.
I know post-apolyptic has been mentioned, but it a workable idea, essentially Mad Max and Predator. Throw in a zombie or two.
But also similar to a space ship, what about a Navy battle ship? I would like to see a movie similar to Deep Rising, only on a Navy ship, and because of the sea monster, the predator gets in on the action. Yeah, it would be like aliens on a spaceship, but its closer to home and different situations can be created from the fact that its on the ocean as opposed to space.
Quote from: Topazora on Dec 22, 2013, 11:56:45 PMDeep Rising
That's of my all-time favourite movies! No one's ever heard of that one!
"Now what...?"
I reckon Rio del Janeiro or Mogadishu would be cool environments for a Predator to explore. :)
Quote from: Spooky Baz on Jun 25, 2014, 05:03:16 PM
I reckon Rio del Janeiro or Mogadishu would be cool environments for a Predator to explore. :)
BAHAHAHAHAHHA! Geography fail!
That was a good laugh, I see you're new here. Take no offense I mean nothing by it :)
Welcome to the AvPgalaxy board looking forward to seeing more posts from you and don't feel nervous to jump into a discussion be it if we're arguing or laughing! :)
Rio is a good idea, it mixes a lot of elements that would give both a lot of potential and probably depth.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jun 25, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
Quote from: Spooky Baz on Jun 25, 2014, 05:03:16 PM
I reckon Rio del Janeiro or Mogadishu would be cool environments for a Predator to explore. :)
BAHAHAHAHAHHA! Geography fail!
Aside from my spell checker adding an extra "L", what would you say is the issue here?
I edited my post sorry
I didn't think of the Somalian city so I thought you were going for Machu Picchu hahaha the geography fail was me!
Meh... you say Macchu Picchu, I say Mogadishu. Everybody else says "Bless you!".
Saw your edit. Thanks for the welcome and look forward to conversing in future. :)
(Geography is the pub quiz subject I dread, incidentally;))
Apparently it's mine as well hahaha
What about in the ocean? I'd like to see scuba-diving and surfing predators :)
Thing that concerns me with a lot of the ideas is that they all seem to read like "Put the Predator in this location, because it would be cool." It reminds me of, for some reason, "Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian."
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 25, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
Thing that concerns me with a lot of the ideas is that they all seem to read like "Put the Predator in this location, because it would be cool." It reminds me of, for some reason, "Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian."
Yep. "You can stick him in a jungle. You can stick him in a city. An iceland. A small town. Anywhere!"
I think maybe its time to focus less on "This time, let's drop him HERE!" and more on the fact that this is going to be a truly special movie. The guy who directed the sixth highest grossing movie of all time is going behind the camera. Let that sink in.
I think this movie is going to be epic.
Well, being realistic, I think a change in setting is about one of the few things that you can change in the formula, and still maintain all the trademarks of a Predator movie. The plot is always going to be guys/gals with guns getting whittled down one-by-one by an invisible alien, up until the last survivor turns the tables. It's never going to be a romcom.
But I maintain the hope that Shane Black can surprise us. :)
See, it's that kind of thinking that's led us to having films the same shit over and over. Think outside the box. f**k trademarks. Give me something, to distill it down into the simplest terms, new and good.
Maybe there are climatic conditions the Predators are not able to endure. Who knows, perhaps their native climate is jungle-like. I remember in AvP we saw them in the antarctic or something, but AvP doesn't count, LOL.
I wonder how is their planet. They must have cities and factories, to build all those cybernetic weapons and ships. Or maybe they stole them or buy them from other race. It could be interesting to see, but perhaps it would ruin their mystery...
I'll say what I suggested before.
Opening scene, running through the Brush. Someone is being chased by several other figures. Suddenly, the reveal. The Predator is the one being hunted by man. Set it in the future, turn everything on it's head, create an entirely new science fiction future universe with the Predators involved. There's so many ways you could take that, without losing what makes the Predator character interesting.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 25, 2014, 08:51:28 PM
Maybe there are climatic conditions the Predators are not able to endure. Who knows, perhaps their native climate is jungle-like. I remember in AvP we saw them in the antarctic or something, but AvP doesn't count, LOL.
I wonder how is their planet. They must have cities and factories, to build all those cybernetic weapons and ships. Or maybe they stole them or buy them from other race. It could be interesting to see, but perhaps it would ruin their mystery...
Probably sound like bull shit, but I think the Shoulder Cannon is similar to the Engineer's telescope
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Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
See, it's that kind of thinking that's led us to having films the same shit over and over. Think outside the box. f**k trademarks. Give me something, to distill it down into the simplest terms, new and good.
I agree with you. I want to be surprised.
It's a tightrope though; tweak with the formula too much and you end up with a film that isn't Predator at all. For every Aliens, there's a Highlander 2.
Out of interest, what elements prevalent in the Predator franchise so far would you remove? What would you add? The Predator character is an invisible, alien, big game hunter that kills humans and then loses. If you change any of that, you have something else.
I think you have to face facts; the very nature of film franchises is that they are anathema to originality. Can you provide an example of a well-regarded sequel that does something truly different to its predecessor? I can think of one, and I mentioned it already in this very thread.
I suppose if it were easy, everybody would be doing it.
I don't mean change the fact that they turn invisible, are alien or are big game hunters. Obviously those are core constants. The terminator is a great killing machine, but Terminator 2 asked what does it mean to be human? The xenomorph is a great alien, but Aliens asked if we lost everything, could we regain it in some way? I would have the movie ask something deeper. But luckily, that'll be Shane Black's job. If you noticed in every Iron Man 3 interview, he discusses not only making a highly entertaining action movie, but something that makes you think a bit deeper. Note its satirical bent. It subverted expectations.
Predator was fundamentally about the toughest men vs. something that of equal or tougher value. I would tangentialize the predator itself with a universal theme that people can relate to. Even Predators played with some interesting notions. "Predators" is not only talking about the predators themselves, but the humans in the movie. Edwin is a predator.
That's the kind of thing I'm getting at. That's the kind of thing I've been wanting. And that's the kind of thing I think we're going to get. Because Shane Black. This ain't the A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude. This ain't the Vacancy dude. This ain't the Resident Evil dude. This ain't some special effects dudes. This is the Iron Man 3, Lethal Weapon and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang dude. This is the type of dude they should've been hiring all along for these movies.
So that's what I mean when I say "change it up". I don't mean make him turn blue instead of invisible. Or make him have five mandibles instead of four.
I do have some ideas for a new predator film, which I just thought of when I was making some fan art. It is about a predator tribe that has been outcast and found their way to create their own almost suicidal games. Story wise I'm not that great, but I do have some small ideas popping up now and then.
Gigantic spheres (wether on earth or not, but I prefer earth) which contain vicious 'alien' beasts that the Predator hunts. Every Sphere has different ranges of gravity and environments...Ice...Desert...Jungle etc
A sphere with huge floating rocks, where the yautja hunts a dinosaur like creature. I envisioned a Predator jumping from rocks while it cloacks itself and jumps on the devil-ish horned creature.
http://xandervanduijvenbode.deviantart.com/art/Predators-Sketches-2-176651207 (http://xandervanduijvenbode.deviantart.com/art/Predators-Sketches-2-176651207)
The main group finds a huge tree with +- 20 skinned corpses (mostly human), while they travel through the tree one of the corpses comes to life. It is a insectoid red slimey alien with wings that can camouflage itself also.
I think it would be very special if the Big Red predator from the short Batman film makes an appearance (maybe in some small updated look), a lot of people seem to love it.
A Predator with a mohawk
A female Predator in a snowlike environment (I have those drawings here)
http://xandervanduijvenbode.deviantart.com/art/Female-Predator-213011852 (http://xandervanduijvenbode.deviantart.com/art/Female-Predator-213011852)
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Ehh.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 09:33:39 PM
I don't mean change the fact that they turn invisible, are alien or are big game hunters. Obviously those are core constants. The terminator is a great killing machine, but Terminator 2 asked what does it mean to be human? The xenomorph is a great alien, but Aliens asked if we lost everything, could we regain it in some way? I would have the movie ask something deeper. But luckily, that'll be Shane Black's job. If you noticed in every Iron Man 3 interview, he discusses not only making a highly entertaining action movie, but something that makes you think a bit deeper. Note its satirical bent. It subverted expectations.
Predator was fundamentally about the toughest men vs. something that of equal or tougher value. I would tangentialize the predator itself with a universal theme that people can relate to. Even Predators played with some interesting notions. "Predators" is not only talking about the predators themselves, but the humans in the movie. Edwin is a predator.
That's the kind of thing I'm getting at. That's the kind of thing I've been wanting. And that's the kind of thing I think we're going to get. Because Shane Black. This ain't the A Nightmare on Elm Street 5 dude. This ain't the Vacancy dude. This ain't the Resident Evil dude. This ain't some special effects dudes. This is the Iron Man 3, Lethal Weapon and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang dude. This is the type of dude they should've been hiring all along for these movies.
So that's what I mean when I say "change it up". I don't mean make him turn blue instead of invisible. Or make him have five mandibles instead of four.
I agree with all of that. I don't see how any of that contradicts the post of mine that you disagreed with so vehemently. My post gave a general summary of the plot - which is unlikely to change from film to film. Those trademarks need to be there; you just can't dismiss them like that. What you're describing above are subplots and themes - the meat on the bones.
I originally said the setting was one of the few things that you can change in the formula, not the only thing. It's all just window-dressing. At it's heart, Predator 4, reboot or no reboot, will be the same film I've seen three times before, and it won't be down to a simple lack of ambition.
Apologies for my misinterpretation then. But how are you so sure Predator 4 will be the same film you've seen before?
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
Apologies for my misinterpretation then. But how are you so sure Predator 4 will be the same film you've seen before?
No worries.
I really don't want you to misunderstand here, I know I will love Predator 4. I love the concept of the franchise, I love the Predator character and I love Shane Black's previous work, and I know it will be a damned entertaining film because of all of that.
But it is going to be bound by the same formula as its predecessors.
The Predator, as a character, is a killer. It has to kill.
It also has to lose. It has to bite off more than it can chew and be defeated by the last survivor.
Every story featuring the character has to feature these basic story rules. Outside the AVP franchise, I'll bet every story to feature this character has followed these guidelines. The character is an alien and cannot be seen to wipe out all the audience identification figures, otherwise you have no story; there's no drama there. You'd have an unstoppable force of nature just being unstoppable.
The first AVP film didn't follow those rules, granted, but then the Predator wasn't the true antagonist in that film, he was an anti-hero that was redeemed by the end of the film (albeit he paid for his complicity in the human herding by dying at the climax). But I digress.
So anyway, these rules must be followed or what you have is not a Predator film. It's really not as simple as "thinking outside the box". Do you think the already-existing sequels have followed this exact same plot because cigar-chomping producers have asked for more of the same? It's because the Predator character itself is so limiting. It's a killer and it must not win.
I know I've only been posting here for a couple of days, but I'm a long-term fan. Part of that means I want Predator/Alien films to be outstanding, but it also means I talk myself into liking things that aren't necessarily so outstanding, blind to their flaws. Predator was the first film I recorded on the hand-me-down VCR that I inherited from my parents when they upgraded, and I watched it until it disintegrated. Predator 2 is something I view through rose-tinted specs because it's the first video I ever bought with my pocket money. I've convinced myself that Predators is great because it had been such a long time to wait between films. I know I'm going to love Predator 4 - and I'm certain it'll be the same damn story wearing a different hat.
The movie needs to have high places so the Pred can parkour around.
Quote from: Spooky Baz on Jun 25, 2014, 11:10:22 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
Apologies for my misinterpretation then. But how are you so sure Predator 4 will be the same film you've seen before?
No worries.
I really don't want you to misunderstand here, I know I will love Predator 4. I love the concept of the franchise, I love the Predator character and I love Shane Black's previous work, and I know it will be a damned entertaining film because of all of that.
But it is going to be bound by the same formula as its predecessors.
The Predator, as a character, is a killer. It has to kill.
It also has to lose. It has to bite off more than it can chew and be defeated by the last survivor.
Every story featuring the character has to feature these basic story rules. Outside the AVP franchise, I'll bet every story to feature this character has followed these guidelines. The character is an alien and cannot be seen to wipe out all the audience identification figures, otherwise you have no story; there's no drama there. You'd have an unstoppable force of nature just being unstoppable.
The first AVP film didn't follow those rules, granted, but then the Predator wasn't the true antagonist in that film, he was an anti-hero that was redeemed by the end of the film (albeit he paid for his complicity in the human herding by dying at the climax). But I digress.
So anyway, these rules must be followed or what you have is not a Predator film. It's really not as simple as "thinking outside the box". Do you think the already-existing sequels have followed this exact same plot because cigar-chomping producers have asked for more of the same? It's because the Predator character itself is so limiting. It's a killer and it must not win.
I know I've only been posting here for a couple of days, but I'm a long-term fan. Part of that means I want Predator/Alien films to be outstanding, but it also means I talk myself into liking things that aren't necessarily so outstanding, blind to their flaws. Predator was the first film I recorded on the hand-me-down VCR that I inherited from my parents when they upgraded, and I watched it until it disintegrated. Predator 2 is something I view through rose-tinted specs because it's the first video I ever bought with my pocket money. I've convinced myself that Predators is great because it had been such a long time to wait between films. I know I'm going to love Predator 4 - and I'm certain it'll be the same damn story wearing a different hat.
Dude. Read this.
"As far as Fred and I are concerned anyway [no it's not a reboot]," he said. "Why start over, when you've all this rich mythology yet to mine?" Black said he doesn't like reboots generally, but can "really get behind inventive sequels," noting that he likes "the idea of expanding and exploring the existing Predator mythology, rather than hitting the restart button."
Rich mythology. Yet to mine. Expanding and exploring.
You're not going to get the typical Predator film. You've been conditioned to think that all those things you listed, is ALL there is TO a Predator film. Your specs are foggy man, but King Shane will show you the light.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 25, 2014, 11:43:10 PMYou're not going to get the typical Predator film. You've been conditioned to think that all those things you listed, is ALL there is TO a Predator film.
No I haven't. You just want a prettier hat. What you'll get is the same hat with a daisy crammed in the headband.
Save/screenshot my post. I guarantee you they're going in the direction I desire.
Time will tell dude.
Nice chatting. :)
Straight through the keeper.
Go right ahead. You're basically arguing that the Predator won't kill anybody and that the good guy will lose.
I feel the ground is pretty steady beneath my feet to be honest.
Huh? Go right ahead what?
Didn't say that at all.
Predator 4 plot will take place...
on christmas.
Get to the choppa, Santa!
Quote from: Blacklabel on Jun 26, 2014, 02:32:28 AMPredator 4 plot will take place...
on christmas.
As stupid as the idea is, part of me kinda wants this to happen. Can't beat a good ol' Shane Black Christmas massacre.
What do you mean by that?
Shane Black's always making movies set over the Christmas period. Lethal Weapon, The Long Kiss Goodnight, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and Iron Man 3 all take place around Christmas. As much as it wouldn't work, part of me just wants the new Predator to be set in a snowbound Christmas setting just for the tradition.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 12:59:54 AM
Huh? Go right ahead what?
That was in response to this:
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
Straight through the keeper.
Which I took to be referring to this:
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 12:14:53 AM
Save/screenshot my post. I guarantee you they're going in the direction I desire.
i.e. by you saying "Straight through the keeper", I assumed you meant you were going to record our discussion for future reference.
I take it by your subsequent response that " Straight through the keeper" means something else. In which case, I have no idea what you're talking about. Which is kinda ironic, considering you seem to be in some confusion as to what I'm talking about.
I draw your attention to exhibit A:
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 26, 2014, 12:59:54 AMDidn't say that at all.
I've agreed with most of your points, but all along I've been saying the same thing. At it's most basic level, my point has always been: Predator 4 will have a Predator in it; the Predator will kill some guys; some guy will kill the Predator; the movie will end. That's all I've said. This is what I believe the plot will be.
By arguing with the above, logic dictates that you think: the Predator will not kill some guys; no guy will kill the Predator; the movie will end (unless you want to argue with that as well).
The point you've been making, as far as I understand it, is that there will be subplots and themes threaded throughout this basic plot that will flesh out the story a bit. Well, I like to think I'm not an idiot, but I was kinda expecting that. I'm not expecting "depth" as you put it though. I don't look for the meaning of life in a Predator movie. I'm expecting a tall guy in a cool alien costume fighting actors with personal trainers on speed dial, with maybe the odd explosion thrown in.
You'll probably accuse me again of lacking imagination or aiming my sights too low. To that I say; it's not pessimism to expect an entertaining action film in an action franchise. Aiming high is the least I would expect from the filmmakers, but the absolute best they can accomplish is a couple of hours of entertaining escapism.
I admire your passion but as much as I love the Predator concept, you're fooling yourself if you think it's anything but a formulaic cash cow for Fox.
Quote from: Spooky Baz on Jun 26, 2014, 12:49:40 PM
I admire your passion but as much as I love the Predator concept, you're fooling yourself if you think it's anything but a formulaic cash cow for Fox.
This is a tough one to predict. I suspect it'll hit all the Blake Snyder beats, but I it might be bit subversive given Shane Black's propensity to do that sort of thing.
I think the big question is how subversive (if at all - and I can't see it not) will it be? But I'd bet that it'll be a little bit smarter than, say, AvP or AvP:R (which didn't set out to be smart in the first place, of course).
You know? I would like to see a different kind of Predator. I mean, so far they've been set mostly in jungles, with more or less the same appearance from the first movie, using more or less the same equipment than the one of the first movie.
Maybe not all of them are the same, maybe not all of them are jungle hunters wearing dreadlocks.
I think a cool idea could be a "Predator meets The Cube". One "mastermind" Predator take some human prisoners into a maze, they release some wild animals plus a Predator, the prisoners have to survive this alien fauna, booby traps and the hunter Predator lurking. I like the idea of the falconer Predator but they could tame other animals too. And we have in the end a final battle between the survivor(s) and the mastermind Predator, who uses completely different resources to defend himself.
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 26, 2014, 02:29:57 PMYou know? I would like to see a different kind of Predator. I mean, so far they've been set mostly in jungles, with more or less the same appearance from the first movie, using more or less the same equipment than the one of the first movie.
Except, you know,
Predator 2, which wasn't in a jungle at all and introduced a whole bunch of completely new weaponry...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 26, 2014, 02:31:19 PMExcept, you know, Predator 2, which wasn't in a jungle at all and introduced a whole bunch of completely new weaponry...
But the Predator's appearance and behaviour were more or less the same.
So far, we know the Hunter predators. There must be some other "chastes" who creates the weapons, rulers or scientists, perhaps. I'm not talking about detailing the Predator society or history, but I'd like to see a member of the species who is not really a hunter (but shares the tribe point of view on preying on other species, only in a different level) and looks quite different to the old Pred we're used to.
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I admire your passion but as much as I love the Predator concept, you're fooling yourself if you think it's anything but a formulaic cash cow for Fox.
This is a tough one to predict. I suspect it'll hit all the Blake Snyder beats, but I it might be bit subversive given Shane Black's propensity to do that sort of thing.
I think the big question is how subversive (if at all - and I can't see it not) will it be? But I'd bet that it'll be a little bit smarter than, say, AvP or AvP:R (which didn't set out to be smart in the first place, of course).
Oh, I'm totally expecting something special from Mr. Black. You don't get that kind of reputation by being a hack.
If Lemonade has actually been reading my posts though, he's arguing my assertion that the new film has to follow the same basic formula as previously laid down, or risk not looking like a Predator film at all. I suspect Black has too much respect for the material to go down that road.
I was thinking, actually, of a slight tweak to the basic story that would show something new to the audience, albeit the same basic structure.
What we've seen so far is a variation on a chase; the Predator chases down Dutch's team while they get to da choppa, Harrigan is chasing down his Predator while it's chasing him, Royce and his lot are getting chased down by those ugly parodies.
Now, I'm a Doctor Who fan, and I've no idea if anyone here is familiar with it, but in the late sixties the base-under-siege story was prevalent, and it's a story device I reckon could easily be carried over to this franchise. It would still meet the same basic formula (a team being whittled down by a deadly extraterrestrial) but still present something new, superficially.
The Predator's motivations would be the same as before; make trophies out of skulls, and the protagonists motivations would be the same; keep their skulls attached. But in a change from before, our heroes are holed up in an almost impregnable fortress, say. The tension would come from the humans trying to keep the monster at bay and figuring out how it could get into their territory. Aliens: SE used a similar device in the middle of the movie when they're relying too much on their sentry guns.
At the end of the day though, as feasible as I think this idea could be, it's basically just a change in setting - which is what sent Lemonade off on one in the first place!
In a jungle , but it would be nice if it was on another planet .
I guess people would cry "foul" if they did that as it would be a little close to "Predators?" Then again - maybe this will be a sequel to Predators.
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desert/iraq
id like multiple environments both man made citys in first and third world countries and wooded or natural environments. i see places to climb high up as a good thing. trees, buildings, caves, swamps, the ocean, it all depends on how good the story is. if this movie is on earth, i hope its all over the globe . massive
A Predator film traveling all over the globe sounds to me like it would be terribly unfocused.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 08, 2014, 11:18:39 PM
A Predator film traveling all over the globe sounds to me like it would be terribly unfocused.
Sounds almost like an invasion film... I wouldn't want this sequel to become an invasion flick.
i was thinking military tracking one or more predator . if you notice the world has the drug war and the war on terrorism and the middle east tribal religious battles and crazy shit in africa and other places around the globe . a predator or predators with a space ship could easily go from country too country as violence blooms and decreases. ive been watching a lot of movies that take place all over the world and are focsed. indiana jones, mission impossible, jason bourn, i could go on. i like the idea of incorporating all of the worlds crazyness thats really going on instead of made up jamaican gangs in a unrealistic l.a in 1997. awesome as it is .
Here's an article I wrote covering the possible locations for Predator 4: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/)
Quote from: Darkness on Jul 14, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
Here's an article I wrote covering the possible locations for Predator 4: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/)
I've only skim read it so far but I gotta complain but it well and truly pisses me off when people complain about the Super Predators. They weren't Super Predators. That notion was removed entirely from the film and the only real comparison was that they were different like dogs and wolves. Not experimenting on themselves. argh!
But I like some of the ideas. Was surprised to see you bring up the Sam Parks script. Most people have forgotten about that. I personally want to see in the past. I'm worried it'll be too much like Jason X if they go into the future.
I like the Carribean idea it's very original I also admire that you used the words could instead of should.
I just want it on Earth.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 14, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
But I like some of the ideas. Was surprised to see you bring up the Sam Parks script. Most people have forgotten about that. I personally want to see in the past. I'm worried it'll be too much like Jason X if they go into the future.
Jason X was great! Though, possibly not as a template for a Predator movie, but still...
I think it will follow on chronologically at least so I do not expect a vietnam war or anything like that.
I think there could be multiple settings, i.e. go to the jungle, catch a pred, bring it back to the city and it breaks loose kills some shit, now the stakes are higher because it's carrying a nuke around on it's arm.
Could quite easily see them doing a story along those lines.
I would quite like to see a modern day conflict zone movie myself.
I think Iraq or Afghanistan or some made up urban/desert warfare thing would be most likely. Unless they ditched any number and just did whatever they wanted. The Predator films are only tied loosely by a mention of the original so it wouldn't hurt the film franchise, I think, to deviate somewhat.
Earth, past or present and I'm happy. No futuristic bollox/alien planets, it's too hard to pull off right.
Predator Home world. Go big or go home.
I have absolutely no desire to see a Predator film set in a snowy environment again, it would bring back to many memories of AVP. I really liked Dark Horse's Cold War series but a Predator belongs in the jungle or at least the heat. I have always envisioned a Predator story set in the Vietnam era so I would love to see this period explored. How awesome would it be to have a US patrol running into a Predator in the jungle or even a Predator at the battle of HUE city!
Wasn't the first predator movie following a group of commandos in a jungle during the Vietnam War? Can't remember...
I love the idea of the Predator being in WW2 or in the Caribbean . ;)
I do not want to see the movie set on the Predator homeworld because I just feel that would completely go in the wrong direction and perhaps bring ruin to the franchise. It just brings nightmarish memories and possibilities, completely invoking the whole Rodriguez 1994 script. The sad thing is there are some fans who want to see the franchise go in that direction. Uuuuggggh..
I wouldn't mind seeing the movie set in either Vietnam, World War II, the Desert, or a Snow City.. But there are many other kinds of environments and wars which have taken place on Earth. I mean we could go back to a distant past. Why not Feudal Japan? Or the Crusades? Or the Dark Ages?
And after PREDATORS... I could see them going the distant planet route set in the future but I don't want it to be a preserve planet. To me the whole idea of the preserve planet defeats the major purpose of the hunt and I mean going from world to world to isolate the Hunter into an unfamiliar environment where his prey has most of the advantage in terms of familiarity. So the distant planet idea could work but I wouldn't want it as a repeat of PREDATORS either.
Quote from: Randomizer on Jul 14, 2014, 04:26:31 PM
Wasn't the first predator movie following a group of commandos in a jungle during the Vietnam War? Can't remember...
Central America, 1980's.
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Yep
So I'm all excited about this upcoming "Predator" movie and all.
But I'm concerned about it bringing back Super Predators, why won't they just stick with the factory model?
Got dang'it nothing makes me more angry I tell ye'hwat!
How I see it is that Super Predators are like charcoal and the regular Predators are like propane; clean burning and efficient.
I don't know hwat that Rodriguez fella was thinking but I can tell that that boy ain't right.
I mean dammit Rodriguez!
If he plans on coming back I'll kick his ass I tell ye'hwat!
I wanna see the Pred 1718 storyline
Something I just considered... While the aforementioned ideas have been talked about, what if the new movie is going to be set in something completely unexpected. What if we get a post apocalyptic setting? Personally.. I'd be down for that! 8)
I wanna see the Pred 1718 storyline
What if the movie is set in a Predator spaceship?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 14, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Jul 14, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
Here's an article I wrote covering the possible locations for Predator 4: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/)
I've only skim read it so far but I gotta complain but it well and truly pisses me off when people complain about the Super Predators. They weren't Super Predators. That notion was removed entirely from the film and the only real comparison was that they were different like dogs and wolves. Not experimenting on themselves. argh!
It wasn't clear in the film how they got much stronger than the original Predators. They could be mutations for all we know. Super Predators doesn't really imply that, fans just don't have any other name to refer to them as.
QuoteBut I like some of the ideas. Was surprised to see you bring up the Sam Parks script. Most people have forgotten about that. I personally want to see in the past. I'm worried it'll be too much like Jason X if they go into the future.
There was a couple of good moments in Jason X. The intro scene and him killing the girl in nitrogen. Totally unique. But yeah, terrible low budget space film. And his mask at the end looked ridiculous.
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 14, 2014, 07:31:25 PM
What if the movie is set in a Predator spaceship?
Sigh....
Predator 4
IMDb: -10
Rotten Tomatoes: .013 %
I Kinda want to see it in a snowy environment, I know some people would say they did that in AVP but they weren't actually hunting out in the snow. They were mostly shown in the pyramids. I think it would just look cool visually for contrast to the rest in the series.
Spice. Mike it tike plice in spice.
Vietnam all the way!!
Making the home planet of a species, which perceive things by heat, somewhere which is hot, never made sense to me. Both 'Predator' and, more recently, 'Predators', make it clear how that would effectively blind them (and make it an utter mystery why they evolved that way). For all we know, often turning up on Earth during hot times might be something they consider a challenge, not convenience.
Only way this would make sense is if it demonstrates their natural vision is actually something completely different and they simply get thermal vision surgically implanted for hunting technique prowess.
As for somewhere in the Middle East, it would make sense to put it in an urban warfare setting. That'd largely avoid the obvious problems of a desert environment. The problem is, I can't see typical Hollywood writers of the modern age not forcing politics into it, which would annoy me as a member of its audience.
We need to see the next predator film in the future. Let's take the setting from Blade Runner and put a Predator in there to run amok.
So essentially Predator 2 - at night?
Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 12:35:17 AM
So essentially Predator 2 - at night?
Well I mean, it worked out so great the first time... :laugh:
....... How about one that takes place in 1715 i would like to see them get it off "Raphael Adolini 1715"....... ;D
I wouldn't mind seeing one set in the past, and how more primitive weapons would combat the Predator.
Depending on how far in the past, perhaps some slightly more primitive versions of the Predators own weapons as well.
Should take place on a cruise ship.
Predator 4: Cruising.
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Quote from: Blacklabel on Jul 15, 2014, 03:12:54 AM
Should take place on a cruise ship.
Predator 4: Cruising.
How a boat no.
Or even the flip side of that. How a Predator with a more ancient weapon-set might hunt down said victims. More barbaric and primitive versions of the things we've already seen, giving it a new twist.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 15, 2014, 03:10:11 AM
Depending on how far in the past, perhaps some slightly more primitive versions of the Predators own weapons as well.
Son of a bitch beat me to it... :laugh:
Set in New York during a hundred year storm with a grizzled Dutch (Arnie) would be ok.
Quote from: 85 on Jul 14, 2014, 09:36:33 PMI Kinda want to see it in a snowy environment, I know some people would say they did that in AVP but they weren't actually hunting out in the snow.
The main reason I hate that idea so much is it completely undermines the concept established in the first two films that Predators are specifically drawn to very
hot areas.
I say special forces team in Afghanistan. Afghanistan have forest areas in the mountains aswell. It could be like a recon team ala lone survivor Navy SEALs vs the Predator :D
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Quote from: 85 on Jul 14, 2014, 09:36:33 PMI Kinda want to see it in a snowy environment, I know some people would say they did that in AVP but they weren't actually hunting out in the snow.
The main reason I hate that idea so much is it completely undermines the concept established in the first two films that Predators are specifically drawn to very hot areas.
Start it in a hot area, then the protagonists try to escape into snowy mountains as a way to combat the Predator.
Cold War got around it by having the Predators crash-land in Russia, and the conflict was the Predators basically just trying to repair their ship to get the futch outta dodge. Which was a much more interesting concept than the comic or novel let it be.
Have them escape in a space launch at Baikonur.
Predators crash-land in Russia, Putin goes full Arnie and saves the day.
Da.
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If it votes ... we can kill it.
Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2014, 03:06:21 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing one set in the past, and how more primitive weapons would combat the Predator.
Get pledging to Dark Ages then! :P
As much as I'd love it, I can't see the studio being this brave to do an actual production.
Quote from: Darkness on Jul 14, 2014, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 14, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Jul 14, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
Here's an article I wrote covering the possible locations for Predator 4: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/)
I've only skim read it so far but I gotta complain but it well and truly pisses me off when people complain about the Super Predators. They weren't Super Predators. That notion was removed entirely from the film and the only real comparison was that they were different like dogs and wolves. Not experimenting on themselves. argh!
It wasn't clear in the film how they got much stronger than the original Predators. They could be mutations for all we know. Super Predators doesn't really imply that, fans just don't have any other name to refer to them as.
And no-one would consider that if it wasn't for the bloody initial draft which dropped them for a reason - it was stupid. The reason I hate that name is because of the connections to that ridiculous script. They're just the Predators from Predators. Same as that Predator in P2 is the Predator from Predator 2. They've all obviously got their nicknames but no, there's really no need to call them Super Predator. Did I bitch about this in the podcast, SM? I can't remember.
SOME THINGS SHOULD BE A MYSTERY.
Just like a homeworld of Predators.
Imagine complaining after movie release. No, thanks.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2014, 10:39:09 AM
And no-one would consider that if it wasn't for the bloody initial draft which dropped them for a reason - it was stupid. The reason I hate that name is because of the connections to that ridiculous script. They're just the Predators from Predators. Same as that Predator in P2 is the Predator from Predator 2. They've all obviously got their nicknames but no, there's really no need to call them Super Predator. Did I bitch about this in the podcast, SM? I can't remember.
The finished movie goes out of its way to explicitly tell us and show us that they're not the same. They're some different type of Predator, even if it's just a type that hunts this particular way and performs body mods. Everyone calls them "Super Predators" because it's easier than saying "The type of Predators in Predators".
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 14, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Jul 14, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
Here's an article I wrote covering the possible locations for Predator 4: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2014/07/14/shane-blacks-predator-sequel-take-place/)
I've only skim read it so far but I gotta complain but it well and truly pisses me off when people complain about the Super Predators. They weren't Super Predators. That notion was removed entirely from the film and the only real comparison was that they were different like dogs and wolves. Not experimenting on themselves. argh!
But I like some of the ideas. Was surprised to see you bring up the Sam Parks script. Most people have forgotten about that. I personally want to see in the past. I'm worried it'll be too much like Jason X if they go into the future.
Wasn't Super Predator just a tag used to differentiate between the different Pred types, rather than denote any kind of physical superiority?
No, the original script called them Super Predators because they were supposed to be better due to genetic experimentation and all that blah blah. We'd never be calling them that otherwise.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 15, 2014, 11:23:58 AM
The finished movie goes out of its way to explicitly tell us and show us that they're not the same. They're some different type of Predator, even if it's just a type that hunts this particular way and performs body mods. Everyone calls them "Super Predators" because it's easier than saying "The type of Predators in Predators".
Not to the extent as originally envisioned. It tells us they're a different culture, different values and another subspecies/race (in terms of the Wolf and Dog comments). It's just my annoyance at the phrase because they're just not Super Predators. We've never seen the "Super Predators", thank God.
Does it really matter?
It just bothers me because when I see people using the term it comes across as if they're thinking of the filmed versions as the ones in the script. Just that's a non-conversation really. It just annoys me.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 15, 2014, 12:17:41 PM
It just bothers me got dangit when I see people using the term it comes across as if they're thinking of the factory versions as the ones in the Megalomart! Just that's a non-conversation really. It just annoys me I tell ye'hwat!
The future i wish to seeing upgrade equipment predator against with the high tech human some else like the concrete jungle
Quote from: Tusky on Jul 15, 2014, 07:58:42 AM
Set in New York during a hundred year storm with a grizzled Dutch (Arnie) would be ok.
Would seem a bit contrived, wouldn't it? Dutch just
happening to be there and all.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 15, 2014, 08:57:09 AM
The main reason I hate that idea so much is it completely undermines the concept established in the first two films that Predators are specifically drawn to very hot areas.
That we
know of...
Quote from: SiL on Jul 15, 2014, 09:57:00 AM
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If it votes... we can kill it.
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QuoteWould seem a bit contrived, wouldn't it? Dutch just happening to be there and all
Not if the Predator is there looking for Dutch.
Predator: The Revenge
Tracking one humanoid blob of heat in a jungle with virtually nobody else around for miles, is one thing. Once he got to civilisation, it'd be just one almost indistinguishable heat blob amongst millions.
Other flaws with a prospective 'revenge' story:
* Why wait all this time?
* As it was a lone hunter, where were the supposed Predator witnesses?
* It'd go against the events of the first sequel, where we know that if a human is intelligent/brave/courageous enough to defeat one of their own, they consider said human worthy enough to survive.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:13:20 AM
Predator: The Revenge
I'd rather see vengeance, myself.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
* It'd go against the events of the first sequel, where we know that if a human is intelligent/brave/courageous enough to defeat one of their own, they consider said human worthy enough to survive.
If they go this route, it could just be that the Predator clan in the second film operates differently than the clan the first film's Predator came from. The Predators in
Predators operated differently than the ones in both previous films.
Of course, if they want to bring Dutch back they could have him as the one tracking down Predators on Earth, rather than the other way around.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 01:18:19 AM
Tracking one humanoid blob of heat in a jungle with virtually nobody else around for miles, is one thing. Once he got to civilisation, it'd be just one almost indistinguishable heat blob amongst millions.
It's an indistinguishable blob to us because we haven't spent our lives and evolutionary history seeing in that way. We're clearly not "indistinguishable" to a Predator.
Predator 2 has the Predator tracking Harrigan throughout the city just fine.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 16, 2014, 01:21:14 AM
Of course, if they want to bring Dutch back they could have him as the one tracking down Predators on Earth, rather than the other way around.
Which is what i'd do. Arnie's had enough of these ugly mother ****ing predators on this mother ****ing planet! 8)
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:13:20 AM
Predator: The Revenge
f**k yes. Arnie kills it with the prow of the Staten Island ferry.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:27:14 AM
It's an indistinguishable blob to us because we haven't spent our lives and evolutionary history seeing in that way.
Indistinguishable, full stop. :) It's just a messy smudge of bright colours. No facial definition exists. It's a bit better by the time of '
Predators', but that's a different kettle of fish.
QuoteWe're clearly not "indistinguishable" to a Predator. Predator 2 has the Predator tracking Harrigan throughout the city just fine.
And that's the biggest plot-hole in the entire story (as is how they could have known the past crimes of those in '
Predators'). Personally, I prefer to interpret the first sequel's events as more along the lines of coincidence. There's no physical way they could have been tracking the guy. They'd have had to have at least one Predator trailing him
everywhere - including inside all of the buildings and individual office rooms (where he likely spends most of his working day).
Not to mention the public lavatories... Heh.
I mean, it's possible they might have had tiny microscopic flying drones constantly buzzing alongside him or whatever, but there's no evidence of them in the movie.
QuoteIt's just a messy smudge of bright colours. No facial definition exists.
Which would be a problem if the Predator was a human, I guess, but they're not, so what's your point? At the very least they're not
deaf.
And it's not a plot hole that the Predator can follow him at all. The movie never shows there'd be any reason it couldn't (besides you assuming it finds the infrared as incomprehensible as you do, which is really, really silly).
how about no where...franchise does not need another quick buck movie.. it needs an legit avp movie based on the classic films that MADE the franchise. with like marines and weyland tied into it in future space with a suspense feel like they use to make movies? ( not blow em up and blood with all hail computer graphic film)
only movies I recognize from the franchise is alien 1-4 and predator 1-2, all it needs is the legit avp movie... no fricken prometheus(which should remain a mystery in the minds of the audience like orginally intended) no predators (poor rip off the first movie and stuck "super preds" in it, like that was desperatly made up), no dicken around pred 4 either
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 02:44:31 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 01:27:14 AM
It's an indistinguishable blob to us because we haven't spent our lives and evolutionary history seeing in that way.
Indistinguishable, full stop. :) It's just a messy smudge of bright colours. No facial definition exists. It's a bit better by the time of 'Predators', but that's a different kettle of fish.
QuoteWe're clearly not "indistinguishable" to a Predator. Predator 2 has the Predator tracking Harrigan throughout the city just fine.
And that's the biggest plot-hole in the entire story (as is how they could have known the past crimes of those in 'Predators'). Personally, I prefer to interpret the first sequel's events as more along the lines of coincidence. There's no physical way they could have been tracking the guy. They'd have had to have at least one Predator trailing him everywhere - including inside all of the buildings and individual office rooms (where he likely spends most of his working day).
Not to mention the public lavatories... Heh.
I mean, it's possible they might have had tiny microscopic flying drones constantly buzzing alongside him or whatever, but there's no evidence of them in the movie.
The Pred could tell that Maria Conchita Alonso was pregnant.
The dude can obviously tell heartbeats.
Their tech obviously has other stuff that were not clearly shown in the film.
Anyway, i would love seeing these flicks in the future but these movies never get enough cash for this to happen.
I really hope they dont do it in Iraq or other middle eastern countries, that stuff is played out.
They should go to Africa if they are going to do present time. Have some special forces doing a mission against some local militia screwing around then the pred pops in to kill everyone.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 03:18:21 AM
And it's not a plot hole that the Predator can follow him at all. The movie never shows there'd be any reason it couldn't (besides you assuming it finds the infrared as incomprehensible as you do, which is really, really silly).
We
are shown exactly what the beast sees, though. Those vaguely contoured rainbows - which massively fall off in detail, the further away it gets -
are what it perceives. No amount of evolution is going to change that.
Photoshop Harrigan's heat signature in amongst, say, the ones from the subway crowd scene. The best one would probably be from the beginning, where he's crouching down and aiming a gun at it or where he's being seen from above fighting the gangs (as those are taken from about mid-range). That would be the difficulty you'd have if you were trying to track him down in the entirety of Los Angeles - and we know the Predator was going off and doing other stuff for the majority of its time. Harrigan is slightly more bulky than some people, but that'd be about the only real visual clue a Predator would have to go by.
Yes, it can probably detect his voice, but he's not goign to be constantly speaking to himself while he's walking down the street or anything. Dutch had a different situation. He was the only humanoid target for miles around. Harrigan was surrounded by, literally, millions of other people on a daily basis - and most of it was inside of buildings, like his home and the police station. How would they know which target is him on the way out?
Get up close and personal and, sure, some extra details can be made out, contour-wise, but for the Predator(s) to be able to track him down, it needs to be something they could do at a considerable range.
We could say maybe they put some kind of tracker on him (which would have to be microscopic enough for him to not notice, water-proof and also embedded in his skin or a simple wash or change of clothes would defeat it), but the movie doesn't indicate this. Just like we could also say that Predators have some kind of telepathic skill - which I could actually buy, because it would have obvious hunting advantages. But, likewise, we never get any kind of hints of that.
I do understand the writers intended, in their heads, for the thing to be tracking him, but my problem is that it's never explained
how it could physically do such a thing. He'd be indistinguishable from all the other human beings until he did something they'd recognise as unique.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 16, 2014, 10:22:23 AM
The Pred could tell that Maria Conchita Alonso was pregnant.
The dude can obviously tell heartbeats.
Their tech obviously has other stuff that were not clearly shown in the film.
We were shown how it was able to do those things, though. being able to sift through, literally,
millions of fuzzy heat blobs to zero in on a single human being? Without him growing some kind of extra limb or having an unusual shape or height, I'm not understanding how. Those things would show up on thermal, but faces didn't. Not at any real distance.
QuoteAnyway, i would love seeing these flicks in the future but these movies never get enough cash for this to happen.
I really hope they dont do it in Iraq or other middle eastern countries, that stuff is played out.
They should go to Africa if they are going to do present time. Have some special forces doing a mission against some local militia screwing around then the pred pops in to kill everyone.
Africa would be very do-able in today's age. If it started out with a pirate hijacking to get the Predator interested in them, we could even have an interesting water-based scene. I'm sure they must have specialised aquatic gear for worlds requiring hunting beneath the surface. Plus, I always liked how '
Cold War' depicted them using one end of their spears as a kind of giant harpoon-gun.
Plenty of mercenaries for it to deal with and US forces have AFRICOM which could help to co-ordinate them for any would-be capture mission. Might even play out '
Black Hawk Down' style, with them going to secretly capture some kind of local warlord and finding something's already decapitated him. DNA/equipment samples being taken for evidence from the crime scene, of course, which then leads someone high up to realise an old foe is stalking around.
The story is unlikely to age too badly, either. It's a country where poverty and vicious tribal militancy are probably still going to be thriving long after we are dead.
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 16, 2014, 10:22:23 AM
Anyway, i would love seeing these flicks in the future but these movies never get enough cash for this to happen.
I really hope they dont do it in Iraq or other middle eastern countries, that stuff is played out.
They should go to Africa if they are going to do present time. Have some special forces doing a mission against some local militia screwing around then the pred pops in to kill everyone.
Haha well done... Extremely well done... This is practically the best idea I've heard... This gentlemen... This is Predator...
Yes, set it in Mogadishu. That way we can have a desert and urban environment with Pirates, Predators and Voodoo magic.
Predator 4
IMDb: 10
Rotten Tomatoes: 100%
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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 16, 2014, 01:35:21 PM
Yes, set it in Mogadishu. That way we can have a desert and urban environment with Pirates, Predators and Voodoo magic.
You... Keep talking. :)
And super predators
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 12:18:46 PM
We are shown exactly what the beast sees, though.
Yup, which is hard to see for a human. Predators aren't humans. The end. Movie shows he can track, he can track; your inability to distinguish people from a distance doesn't mean it can't.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 16, 2014, 01:35:21 PM
Yes, set it in Mogadishu.
US forces are unlikely ever to go back there.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2014, 10:19:41 PM
Yup, which is hard to see for a human. Predators aren't humans. The end. Movie shows he can track, he can track; your inability to distinguish people from a distance doesn't mean it can't.
Dude, it's just stripes of colour. The Predator can't magically see something in it you and I can't. That's what the mask is filtering and that's what it sees. Until we get a movie which states otherwise,
it can't discriminate faces at a distance.
We can say they
might be telepathic or
might have microscopic little tracking devices, but the movie doesn't show those, either. Based purely on screen, once it's
got prey on screen, it'll be very good seeing where it's (immediately) gone, but their version of heat vision is rubbish for facial recognition.
And we certainly don't see any '
Terminator 3'-style graphics of the mask zooming in on a fingerprint database or an iris ID, either. :)
And, see, this is what
should happen. Predators aren't omnipotent. They've got tools which are amazingly good for certain situations, sure - but are going to be piss-poor in others. Just like human beings have.
It's infra-red. It's stripes of colour to us because our infra-red cameras weren't so great back then.
Show where the movies establish Predators can't differentiate people (emphasis on the word Predators, not whether you can) because their vision is shit and you'll have a plothole. Until then, the logic of the movies is they see and identify individuals just fine.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2014, 02:10:17 AM
It's infra-red. It's stripes of colour to us because our infra-red cameras weren't so great back then.
Show where the movies establish Predators can't differentiate people (emphasis on the word Predators, not whether you can) because their vision is shit and you'll have a plothole. Until then, the logic of the movies is they see and identify individuals just fine.
Plot IntervalAnd the movie did show him not being able to differentiate heat signatures. It's debatable but very valid. Do you know which scene I'm talkin` aboot?
The closest we've seen is the original Predator mistaking a partially covered heat signal for maybe being Dutch in Predator -- but it was obscured. You might be referring to the subway scene, but nothing says the Predator is having any trouble with anything other than the fact there's a shitload of armed people between him and his target.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 17, 2014, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 16, 2014, 01:35:21 PM
Yes, set it in Mogadishu.
US forces are unlikely ever to go back there.
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Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2014, 07:55:35 AM
The closest we've seen is the original Predator mistaking a partially covered heat signal for maybe being Dutch in Predator -- but it was obscured. You might be referring to the subway scene, but nothing says the Predator is having any trouble with anything other than the fact there's a shitload of armed people between him and his target.
That was precisely it SiL, that is why it was debatable. Other than that, even if a Predator was used to his vision doesn't mean that it uses it to identify things. Sight is the Predator's inferior sense, no debate there. Even if it has adapted to using it, there is nothing it can do with it hence why the helmets.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 17, 2014, 12:52:25 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 17, 2014, 12:23:54 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 16, 2014, 01:35:21 PM
Yes, set it in Mogadishu.
US forces are unlikely ever to go back there.
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Shane Black Presents
Our Dutch cameo!
I wouldn't be against a sequel in which Dutch is the President of USA.
He always was a highflying Dutchman.
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 17, 2014, 03:44:46 PM
I wouldn't be against a sequel in which Dutch is the President of USA.
NO NO NO! MAG ONE MORE TIME, JUST ONE MORE TIME AHHHH!
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 17, 2014, 03:44:46 PMI wouldn't be against a sequel in which Dutch is the President of USA.
With a vehemently anti-Predator foreign policy.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 17, 2014, 07:23:44 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Jul 17, 2014, 03:44:46 PMI wouldn't be against a sequel in which Dutch is the President of USA.
With a vehemently anti-Predator foreign policy.
Now it's getting interesting....
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 16, 2014, 12:18:46 PM
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jul 16, 2014, 10:22:23 AM
The Pred could tell that Maria Conchita Alonso was pregnant.
The dude can obviously tell heartbeats.
Their tech obviously has other stuff that were not clearly shown in the film.
We were shown how it was able to do those things, though. being able to sift through, literally, millions of fuzzy heat blobs to zero in on a single human being? Without him growing some kind of extra limb or having an unusual shape or height, I'm not understanding how. Those things would show up on thermal, but faces didn't. Not at any real distance.
What about the heartbeats?
You didnt answer that, he was able to tell a baby before the mother knew she was pregnant.
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 17, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
That was precisely it SiL, that is why it was debatable. Other than that, even if a Predator was used to his vision doesn't mean that it uses it to identify things. Sight is the Predator's inferior sense, no debate there. Even if it has adapted to using it, there is nothing it can do with it hence why the helmets.
Except the movies clearly show the Predators have no problem singling out individuals, so all of this is pointless.
I remember reading a comic with Daredevil in it once, that stated if Daredevil heard your heartbeat once, he could track you anywhere. Maybe it's a combination between sight, sound and smell, as well as tech. Something that lets them tell the difference between their prey and bystanders.
At current we humans have a level of tech. that lets us emulate a lot of the Predators abilities. Posibly a story
involving a Splinrt Cell/ Metal Gear type of super spy stalking a Predator while it stalks other humans or
maybe re-conning the Pred. homeworld, flipping the script some what.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2014, 09:43:26 PM
Quote from: Spoonman101 on Jul 17, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
That was precisely it SiL, that is why it was debatable. Other than that, even if a Predator was used to his vision doesn't mean that it uses it to identify things. Sight is the Predator's inferior sense, no debate there. Even if it has adapted to using it, there is nothing it can do with it hence why the helmets.
Except the movies clearly show the Predators have no problem singling out individuals, so all of this is pointless.
I always thought that the predator singled individuals out based on sound up until he got close enough to distinguish the person's shape..
The other problem with Spoonman's argument there is that the Predator's clearly must have MADE the highly advanced piece of technology that is their mask, so clearly, they've over come the limitations of seeing in the infrared spectrum... Just as we have seeing only in the "visible light" spectrum. I think this is honestly our own bias talking, we're actually a fairly blind species when you look at the entire spectrum of light that is available.
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Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 18, 2014, 04:21:20 AM
The other problem with Spoonman's argument there is that the Predator's clearly must have MADE the highly advanced piece of technology that is their mask, so clearly, they've over come the limitations of seeing in the infrared spectrum... Just as we have seeing only in the "visible light" spectrum. I think this is honestly our own bias talking, we're actually a fairly blind species when you look at the entire spectrum of light that is available.
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Thanks for the source Maw! This is very interesting!
However I remember a theory on Predators stealing technology as opposed to making them. Unless we actually see them engineering materials it is really open to debate. Another thing is that they decorate based on shape as opposed to color.
And their sense of style, bleh!
Fishnets?
When was that ever in?
1980-never?!
Isn't there anything in the novels that goes into this?
I say the jungle. More specifically an alien "game preserve". Perhaps humans in the future discover a planet teaming with all kinds of various life forms. They set up stations to study this spectacular find and come to notice the the creatures all stay in particular locations due to some odd "towers" scattered about the landscape.
I'd think the producers would want to avoid just the same film again (Predator hunts, kills humans - one human fights back, wins - rinse - repeat), so I'd hope they'd act on something concerning the Predator's culture. Perhaps the humans find slaughtered animals and can't figure out what's killing them. We come to find out that there are Predator "poachers" at work and are later confronted by the Predator version of "game wardens". Conflict ensues and humans are caught in the middle, trying to escape... Just a thought.
I was thinkig about this and came up with a random idea.
How about it's set on another planet in the future. Humans find an inhabitable planet and set down to explore. This could be a hybrid desert-forest environment with clusters of foreign vegetation separated by rocky dune like terrain, maybe even volcanic. Everything is going smoothly until the predator starts mind****ing them, toying with them, stringing them up without actually killing them, cutting marks into them etc They panic and load up with weapons to defend themselves.. creating worthy prey for the predator.
Almost every one wants the humans to be parted from the sequel then there will be no speaking but groaning from yautjas and xenomorfs and we cant have a sequel were there is two movies with talking and another without but many people want it to be on predator home world so they can put predators survivors to land o their world with the next survivors being hunted by the new team of predators maybe passing their mature test and they get crushed in their home planet an maybe we would be a ble to see baby predators and women predators and elder predators and it will be awesome and they get haunted down by the tree predators passing their mature test thank and feel free to coment me or my coment
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Almost every one wants the humans to be parted from the sequel
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Quote from: Nacho loury crespo on Jul 19, 2014, 09:08:58 AM
Almost every one wants the humans to be parted from the sequel then there will be no speaking but groaning from yautjas and xenomorfs and we cant have a sequel were there is two movies with talking and another without but many people want it to be on predator home world so they can put predators survivors to land o their world with the next survivors being hunted by the new team of predators maybe passing their mature test and they get crushed in their home planet an maybe we would be a ble to see baby predators and women predators and elder predators and it will be awesome and they get haunted down by the tree predators passing their mature test thank and feel free to coment me or my coment
I comend you on your coment Sir/Madam. You are the first person to bring something sensible to this discussion.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 19, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
Quote from: Nacho loury crespo on Jul 19, 2014, 09:08:58 AM
Almost every one wants the humans to be parted from the sequel then there will be no speaking but groaning from yautjas and xenomorfs and we cant have a sequel were there is two movies with talking and another without but many people want it to be on predator home world so they can put predators survivors to land o their world with the next survivors being hunted by the new team of predators maybe passing their mature test and they get crushed in their home planet an maybe we would be a ble to see baby predators and women predators and elder predators and it will be awesome and they get haunted down by the tree predators passing their mature test thank and feel free to coment me or my coment
I comend you on your coment Sir/Madam. You are the first person to bring something sensible to this discussion.
It's funny because
it didn't make sense yet it was the most sensible....
I applaud the fanfilms for setting Predator in the past (ie, medievil times,) but I find it way too goofy if not out of it's element. I DON'T want to see Predators fighting pirates or Mohawks or ancient Egyptians or Iraqis. They've got no fire power in that timeline and no body would imagine besting a predator with a bow and arrow.
Cause original pred was bested by huge f**king guns ::)
I like the idea of dutch tracking down predators it sounds a bit predator hunter and will probably atract other predators because he has killed predators so the might think he is a great trophy and ofcourse dutch will beat him but lets be realistic why in the end the predator dies how about the next movie we make the predator live he escapes from dutch
Thankyou and feel free coment me or the coment
Oh in my first comment i was talking about avp the i spoke for what predator 4 could be sorry for any missunderstandings :- :-
Quote from: Master on Jul 19, 2014, 03:31:29 PM
Cause original pred was bested by huge f**king guns ::)
Guys with guns pose more of a challenge than guys with swords...I think that goes without saying
Give Dutch's team swords instead of guns and they go from "somewhat of a threat" (able to wound the predator) to "zero threat"
However, if predator forgoes its iconic plasma caster almost completely, then hunting elite warriors in ancient or medieval times might be challenging
Rightly said.
We don't identify men with swords as equally potent around the galaxy as massive machine gun joes. just sayin.
A Predator surpasses 300 pounds (150 Kg).
No man would stand a chance....
Quote from: happypred on Jul 19, 2014, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: Master on Jul 19, 2014, 03:31:29 PM
Cause original pred was bested by huge f**king guns ::)
Guys with guns pose more of a challenge than guys with swords...I think that goes without saying
Give Dutch's team swords instead of guns and they go from "somewhat of a threat" (able to wound the predator) to "zero threat"
However, if predator forgoes its iconic plasma caster almost completely, then hunting elite warriors in ancient or medieval times might be challenging
Still that's not the point. Creature was killed cause it was careless and it's opponent was smart and lucky. What type of fighter he was earlier seems irrelevant.
Quote from: Master on Jul 20, 2014, 07:21:14 PMStill that's not the point. Creature was killed cause it was careless and it's opponent was smart and lucky. What type of fighter he was earlier seems irrelevant.
More to the point, all that heavy firepower Arnie started out with didn't really help him at all. He didn't kill the Predator until he ditched the guns and went medieval on its ass.
Quote from: Nacho loury crespo on Jul 19, 2014, 09:08:58 AM
Almost every one wants the humans to be parted from the sequel then there will be no speaking but groaning from yautjas and xenomorfs and we cant have a sequel were there is two movies with talking and another without but many people want it to be on predator home world so they can put predators survivors to land o their world with the next survivors being hunted by the new team of predators maybe passing their mature test and they get crushed in their home planet an maybe we would be a ble to see baby predators and women predators and elder predators and it will be awesome and they get haunted down by the tree predators passing their mature test thank and feel free to coment me or my coment
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The thing is do we need a story/plotline shown from far in the past? How about we just know they hunted in the past, from the scene in Predator 2 with pirate pistol. Do we really need a movie centering around this one scene? How about from narrative aspect we learn this information just by showing the pistol and we know now they hunted in the past, we don't need to be shown it or have entire movie around it.
Since Predators already did distant planet, I really think it should be in Vietnam or Afghanistan. I want the Afghanistan location used so I won't have to bare that shitty plot line involving AVP in Afghanistan. I do not want that shit happening. So please use that location so we don't have that shit. As I said, do we really need to have a movie around the past? Here's a question for you. Is it really a story that needs to be told?
Is Predator in Afghanistan really a story that needs to be told?
What's wrong with it? A wartime setting is perfect for a Predator.
Just make South China Sea into a movie. It'd work. Onyx would be a perfect cameo role for Arnold. You'd really only need his voice.
I'm not sure about keeping Maxim in the movie but he'd probably serve as some comic relief. The Nikolai arc would be a bit of a challenge to put on film.
I would change Gustat's back story. Instead of his wife and kid being butchered by some random predator who crash lands near his cabin, I think it should be his comrades in a warzone who die and he's the sole survivor (perhaps by virtue of being unarmed or simply lucky or injured or something)
Quote from: happypred on Jul 30, 2014, 06:19:56 AM
Just make South China Sea into a movie.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2014, 12:53:15 PM
What's wrong with it? A wartime setting is perfect for a Predator.
What's wrong with a story set in the past? It's not like they just invented war.
A Predator hunting soldiers in trenches in World War I could be tense as f**k.
Kokoda.
...shyeeeeit, now I wanna watch that.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 30, 2014, 06:56:11 AM
A Predator hunting soldiers in trenches in World War I could be tense as f**k.
Damn right. I do wish they'd take a risk and do something like this.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 30, 2014, 08:12:50 AM
...shyeeeeit, now I wanna watch that.
And the Predator ends up getting taken out by a Fuzzy Wuzzy Angel.
Quote from: SM on Jul 30, 2014, 06:35:26 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2014, 12:53:15 PM
What's wrong with it? A wartime setting is perfect for a Predator.
What's wrong with a story set in the past? It's not like they just invented war.
Very true. I'd watch that and I'm with SiL on the trench hunting bit.
And I'd rather see followup to P2 events. You know, hi-tech special team hunting wounded Predator in modern middle-east/northern Africa dessert, first blood like scenario.
All these ideas are redundant and trying to be too extreme.
...how?
Lol sory dude, I understand as afan this might sound cool but im just a casual.
I like predator enough for him not to be in some typical setting thats ben done before or one that makes things so complicated that it justs makes you cringe altogether.
Afghanistan or china has already been in a lot of movies alredy. Why make another 1 and ruin predator?
New York of course, ( I would prefer WW2: Budget ) With so much prey to choose from..
Quote from: Yolk on Jul 30, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
Lol sory dude, I understand as afan this might sound cool but im just a casual.
I like predator enough for him not to be in some typical setting thats ben done before or one that makes things so complicated that it justs makes you cringe altogether.
Afghanistan or china has already been in a lot of movies alredy. Why make another 1 and ruin predator?
And who said it must be Afghanistan? First one was set in Val Verde (I know Predators said otherwise) which is made up country. When you watch a film it's really hard to tell anything more then they are in jungle in South America.
Quote from: Yolk on Jul 30, 2014, 08:28:13 PMWhy make another 1 and ruin predator?
How will a new film "ruin"
Predator in any way? Even if the new movie sucks hairy man sack, it has absolutely no effect on my enjoyment of the first film.
i would watch a new predator movie just to compare make up and acting to the original predator . kevin hall and stan winston. im stoked .
It likely wouldn't hold up.
What if the movie has a Western setting? Something to think about.. Could be cool if done right.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 01, 2014, 11:38:02 PM
What if the movie has a Western setting? Something to think about.. Could be cool if done right.
For some reason I getting images of Worf in the salon from Star Trek TNG.
I don't feel like creating a new topic for this so I'll ask this here: What's that eye flash the Predator does in the original movie when he sees Mac? Does it serve and purpose except mocking him and showing how cool he is?
Already a topic about it: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=4061.0
city or a future set one in space
What about a Post-Apocalyptic Earth type of setting in the future?
Or Post-Apocalyptic in space (on a space station, spacecraft, etc.) or another planet?
about time. if not a sequel to predators then the idea of dutch and harrigan being captured sounds good. made to fight each other to the death but they escape and have to evade recapture and try to find away off the strange planet......
Some guy on FB told me the next pred movie takes place after P1 but before P2. This is wrong am I right?
About Predators we don't know, but looking at equipment probably way after P2 (1997). About new film there is no official synopsis so we can not know.
Quote from: Shadow Lurker on Aug 08, 2014, 08:01:59 PM
Some guy on FB told me the next pred movie takes place after P1 but before P2. This is wrong am I right?
This actually kind of seems Promising then honestly. That might help the vibe of the film if it is in that time frame setting Late 80's early 90's.
Quote from: Master on Aug 08, 2014, 08:28:52 PM
About Predators we don't know, but looking at equipment probably way after P2 (1997). About new film there is no official synopsis so we can not know.
Agreed. We know nothing about the upcoming movie that is about to happen, and so far there is no word on whether or not Shane Black has begun writing the screenplay or if Fred Dekker has started on script revisions. So I would be suspicious about anyone making claims on when this movie is going to be set and other details, considering news released about it was over a month ago.
Maybe a boat would be a new and fresh setting, it may start on the boat but end at a underwater facility, the element of water could be used as something to mess with the Predators cloaking ability, forceing the hunter to use other things to remain stealthy.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 19, 2014, 11:17:41 PMMaybe a boat would be a new and fresh setting
Not gonna lie, I immediately thought '
Predator meets
Speed 2'. And that's not a happy thought.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 19, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
Maybe a boat would be a new and fresh setting, it may start on the boat but end at a underwater facility, the element of water could be used as something to mess with the Predators cloaking ability, forceing the hunter to use other things to remain stealthy.
Only if you end the movie inside a Yautja submarine.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 19, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
Maybe a boat would be a new and fresh setting, it may start on the boat but end at a underwater facility, the element of water could be used as something to mess with the Predators cloaking ability, forceing the hunter to use other things to remain stealthy.
Like.. Predator meets Leviathan, right?
Predator meets underwater Alien ripopff.
The predator needs to hunt somewhere very, very hot. One of the worst things about AVP is that it's set in Antarctica, where it's freezing cold.
It fits there right of passage idea though.
About Predators dead american soldier was on his way to Afghanistan so it's confirmed it was set in 2010.
Quote from: Master on Aug 23, 2014, 08:26:17 AM
About Predators dead american soldier was on his way to Afghanistan so it's confirmed it was set in 2010.
I don't remember that mentioned in the movie. Where was this mentioned?
When they triggered dead men's trap.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 22, 2014, 05:36:54 AM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 19, 2014, 11:17:41 PM
Maybe a boat would be a new and fresh setting, it may start on the boat but end at a underwater facility, the element of water could be used as something to mess with the Predators cloaking ability, forceing the hunter to use other things to remain stealthy.
Like.. Predator meets Leviathan, right?
Yes but I was thinking about movies like Deep blue sea, Virus and Deep rising, I think that a Predator could fit in those settings and make a good horror/thriller/action movie. They only need to find believable way to put the hunter in a ship/ on the sea...maybe it tracks it's prey onboard or maybe it's after left behind Predator technology that's stored in a insolated research facility at sea :-)
Quote from: Milan on Aug 26, 2014, 10:02:46 AMDeep rising
Off-topic, but I literally watched that film last night. One of my all-time favourite movies, it's a riot!
"Now what...?"
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Quote from: Milan on Aug 26, 2014, 10:02:46 AMDeep rising
Off-topic, but I literally watched that film last night. One of my all-time favourite movies, it's a riot!
"Now what...?"
Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies to, there's just something about it that makes it good for several viewings.
Set Pred 4 both in space and on an alien planet with three to four humans who've been initiated into the "tribe". Have them learning to hunt all sorts of weird shit, including Xenos; have them encounter a purist tribe, for the sake of conflict, who don't agree with letting humans in on Predator rites/lifestyles. Let the two tribes go to war with one another on completely hazardous alien planet.
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 28, 2014, 12:45:11 PMSet Pred 4 both in space and on an alien planet with three to four humans who've been initiated into the "tribe". Have them learning to hunt all sorts of weird shit, including Xenos; have them encounter a purist tribe, for the sake of conflict, who don't agree with letting humans in on Predator rites/lifestyles. Let the two tribes go to war with one another on completely hazardous alien planet.
I really hate the 'humans are a part of the tribe' idea. Temporarily teaming up in a bad situation to increase the chances of survival is one thing, but humans and Predators living together? No thanks.
I agree. Just let the Preds kill all the humans so we are introduced to a Predator language with captions on the bottom for the rest of the movie. That would be different and exciting (well, to some of us anyways).
Just go back to Predator 2 levels of insanity.
I'm okay with that too.
RIP Kevin Peter Hall.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 28, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 28, 2014, 12:45:11 PMSet Pred 4 both in space and on an alien planet with three to four humans who've been initiated into the "tribe". Have them learning to hunt all sorts of weird shit, including Xenos; have them encounter a purist tribe, for the sake of conflict, who don't agree with letting humans in on Predator rites/lifestyles. Let the two tribes go to war with one another on completely hazardous alien planet.
I really hate the 'humans are a part of the tribe' idea. Temporarily teaming up in a bad situation to increase the chances of survival is one thing, but humans and Predators living together? No thanks.
I always liked the AvP comics with Machiko Noguchi but to each his own... Maybe you'll like this ptch better:
Pedo-tor An inept Predator with an inferiority complex is banished to an unnamed Chinese metropolis and attempts to redeem himself in the eyes of his former tribesmen by hunting down the only human population he possibly can...newborn babies. Can the Chinese Special Police Force stop the Pedo-tor in time before he leaves the Hop Sing Metropolitan Hospital and flees with a literal bundle trophies.