Started by Predator@Alien, Oct 16, 2019, 01:44:02 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 16, 2019, 01:47:02 PMHonestly, haven't read it but seeing the amount of text I got the feeling you put clicking time bomb here .
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 16, 2019, 01:47:02 PMI got the feeling you put clicking time bomb here .
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 16, 2019, 01:44:02 PMAnd about that, I think people hurt themselves for nothing. Alien is a franchise of entertainment, it is make to be good, so why do you spend energy to hate it ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 16, 2019, 01:44:02 PMIf you don't like something, just ignore it, but why hated it ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 16, 2019, 01:44:02 PMAfter, about the canon thing, I have a problem with the words "canon" and "continuity". Those words are synonymous, but I prefer "continuity" because people don't seem to understand the meaning of canon. Why a lot of people are submitted on what is canon or what isn't ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 16, 2019, 01:44:02 PMIt looks like it's mandatory. Before I thought canon means cotinuity but now it is clear that it's not anymore like this. For example, some people don't take A:CM in the chronology of the main Alien timeline, whereas it respect it : same characters, same places, same story. But these people consider Dead Orbit as canon. And you have absolutely no problem that there is no link with the chronology ? How do you do to accept that ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 16, 2019, 01:44:02 PMI don't understand people who says that A:CM is not canon just because of the graphics or IA.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 16, 2019, 01:44:02 PMSo the main inconsistencies are the problem of the 17 weeks and the presence of the colony after the detonation of the atmospheric processor. Same problem here, why people don't try to explain the problem while keeping it canon ? Same people think that River of Pain is canon, but there is the worst thing : a marines battalion was already at Hadley's Hope. Here, you try to find explanations to justify it, so why don't do that for A:CM ? Same for Out of the Shadows and Sea of Sorrows, they are inconsistent with Alien Covenant, so why sould they be more canon than A:CM which respect the main story ? It is not complicatd to find explanations for the problems of A:CM.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2019, 06:17:20 PMI have a lot of energy and its always recharging. I'm not losing anything.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2019, 06:17:20 PMI think that the hatred for ACM might have more to do with Gearbox and Randy's unethical behavior before and after the game's release. If the game was simply bad and without any expectation after so many years of development, it might have been easily ignored. But game developers lying and fooling people into buying something different than they are selling, using funds of the game for something else. They are just asking for it. Its not exclusive to this series, the ethics in the game industry have become more questionable over the years.For me it wasn't that bad, I wasn't much into the series at that year, I don't preorder games, didn't play on launch. Bought after the price had decreased, patches to the gameplay had already been made, wasn't expecting much, enjoyed the gameplay in both the campaign and multiplayer. I only got angry after I learned of the controversies surrounding the game's development.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2019, 06:17:20 PMFandoms care about that stuff. We had whole wars on this matter. For me its like this: I don't like when new entries are pushed as canon and end up directly contradicting other entries I consider canon or retcon stuff that was estabilished on the original movies. I like consistency in the series, when it gets messy, it feels like what is being done isn't credible and the people in charge don't know what they are doing. Its like we have to trade one entry for another since they don't fit well together, and what was established before is thrown into the trash.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2019, 06:17:20 PMFor me if the good outweighs the bad and its not directly contracting another entry that is better then its canon.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2019, 06:17:20 PMNever seen this. Its the plot that made people have a hard time taking it as canon.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2019, 06:17:20 PMThis is a matter of how one does his own headcanon. Its all personal at this point, if you want to see ACM as part of the series then do it, most people don't. People liked those novels more than ACM so it was easier to accept them as canon. Other people don't accept any EU as canon, just the movies. Due to several plot points I don't feel the series has much to gain by having ACM as part of it.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AM If the story is good, what's the matter ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AMVery funny ^^ but like I said, it is entertainment, it is not a state affair, it's just a game in a franchise which is make for fun, to enjoy it. What is the major problem which make the people very annoyed ? It is not so serious yes ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AMAh yes here I'm okay with you. But I'm only talk about the story and people seems to avoid this. The fact that people don't like the development shouldn't change their minds about the story which is tell in the game ! If the story is good, what's the matter ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AMSo are you okay to say that Isolation is not canon ? River of Pain, Out of the Shadows and Sea of Sorrows ? Fire and Stone, Life and Death ?
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AMYes but Dead Orbit is just the same sort of stories as many others comics books : no origin of the Alien, unknown characters, no links with the original story.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AMAt least A:CM has the merit to be a part of the original continuity.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AMMaybe I'm wrong about this, but forgive me, a lot of person say that it's a bad game, piece of s**t game, wathever... without arguments. And this often comes up for the legitimacy of the game, whereas bad graphics are not contradicts the story I guess...
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Oct 17, 2019, 10:41:33 AMI prefer the people who don't take account of all of the EU, but just only the films. At least it is not just A:CM but Alien Isolation too so I'm reassured. I know it is personal, and it's exactly why I want to understand their logic, integrate in canon things which are totally inconsistent and reject things which are logical sequels... I don't understand and that's why I need answers ^^
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 17, 2019, 10:50:28 AMYou trolling? ACM' story is atrocious, it's voice acting is particularly dead in the water, and it's gameplay is at best mediocre. It isn't just people who care about Alien who hate it, it's the entire industry. Nearly every single aspect of it is sub par. Being part of the "film continuity" doesn't automatically mean you're more worthwhile- that's absolute nonsense. Labyrinth's got no connection to the Alien Anthology and yet is regarded extremely highly.For myself, the original AVP graphic novel, Monolith's AVP, AVPE, Alien, Aliens, Alien³ SE, (Perhaps Covenant), Labyrinth, Salvation, Sacrifice, Survival, Wraith, Glass Corridor, David's Drawings, Dead Orbit, Dust To Dust, Isolation, Infestation and The Cold Forge is the good content from the franchise within the universe. Not counting Predator stuff I'm not familiar with, or the tenuous Blade Runner connection. The universe is large, so most stories being disconnected from the Alien Anthology is just sensible.
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Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 17, 2019, 05:26:33 PMCanon just means something is officially part of the story.All canon material should fit into the continuity, but not all that fits into the continuity is automatically canon.
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