Title: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Darkness on Nov 01, 2006, 08:21:10 AM
Post by: Darkness on Nov 01, 2006, 08:21:10 AM
How do you think the egg got on the Sulaco at the start of Alien 3?
Did Bishop put it there or did the Queen manage to lay an emergency egg at the end of Aliens.
Did Bishop put it there or did the Queen manage to lay an emergency egg at the end of Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2006, 09:22:26 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2006, 09:22:26 PM
I'm keen on the emergency Egg idea. That the Queen is capable of laying one Egg without her sack.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 11:32:39 AM
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 11:32:39 AM
The more I watch Aliens and Alien3, the more I think Bishop did it. He's a sneaky so-and-so.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 11:59:59 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 11:59:59 AM
If you listen to the end of the Aliens credits, you can hear the sound of a Face-Hugger. Random info for you.
I'm not sure I think it's Bishop. I mean, he wasn't Ash. He'd got all the new programming.
I'm not sure I think it's Bishop. I mean, he wasn't Ash. He'd got all the new programming.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 12:08:59 PM
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 12:08:59 PM
Or has he?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 12:11:11 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 12:11:11 PM
I suppose Burke could have reprogrammed him...but does Burke actually have any technical know how? I wonder.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 12:15:22 PM
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 12:15:22 PM
I doubt Burke would have done it. But if the Company wants to program an android to get them the bio-weapon they desperately want, then the Company can.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 12:17:19 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 12:17:19 PM
But it never was the company in Aliens. No-one believed her. Only Burke. He personally sent the orders for them to find the Derelict.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 12:24:26 PM
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 10, 2006, 12:24:26 PM
Heh, paid for the marines himself, did he?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 12:25:25 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 12:25:25 PM
Okay, you got me there :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RidgeTop on Dec 13, 2006, 10:07:54 PM
Post by: RidgeTop on Dec 13, 2006, 10:07:54 PM
There had to be two eggs on the ship though, one for the facehugger that would infect the dog/ox, and another (queen facehugger) that would infect Ripley. I don't really know what to make of it, its a pretty big plothole, just that I don't think it was the queen by the way Bishop said "It was with us the whole way"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 10:11:18 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 10:11:18 PM
Screw the Super-Hugger theory, it's Super-Egg! A smaller egg which holds 2 Huggers. Now that's a bargain. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:33:31 PM
Post by: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:33:31 PM
Or, there could be another egg that we hadn't seen...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 10:37:54 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 10:37:54 PM
Simplicity! Gotta love it ;D ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:43:37 PM
Post by: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:43:37 PM
...or, maybe some facehuggers can deliver more than one embryo (like twins)? Remember, in Alien, the facehugger left Kane and had made it up to the ceiling of the infirmary. It may have been looking for another host and had died while waiting.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 10:51:46 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 10:51:46 PM
But there's different cases of twins if we're going with that example. I assume you're implying the Hugger could carry fraternal twins?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:54:50 PM
Post by: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:54:50 PM
Yeah. I doubt if they could deliberately split one embryo into two. The hugger could possibly pump one out, still feel horny, and go and look for another host to "express its urges" on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 11:04:47 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 11:04:47 PM
It could be possible
Quote from: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:54:50 PMWe don't know strictly how it works. If it was as simply as just transfering the embryo into the host, it'd be possible to just cut the embryos from the Huggers rather than go through all the trouble of infecting people.
Yeah. I doubt if they could deliberately split one embryo into two.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Darkness on Dec 14, 2006, 10:42:25 PM
Post by: Darkness on Dec 14, 2006, 10:42:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 10, 2006, 11:59:59 AM
If you listen to the end of the Aliens credits, you can hear the sound of a Face-Hugger. Random info for you.
I've watched Aliens countless times and I have never once heard this thing in the credits.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 14, 2006, 10:45:55 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 14, 2006, 10:45:55 PM
Very end.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 14, 2006, 11:26:12 PM
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Dec 14, 2006, 11:26:12 PM
Not on all versions, either. Though I think it's on most of the dvd's, probably.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Newsfop on Dec 15, 2006, 01:22:23 AM
Post by: Newsfop on Dec 15, 2006, 01:22:23 AM
We never do get to actually see the biology lecture on the life cycle of the alien species. I still think that the most interesting aspect is that the chest-burster takes on attributes of its host to be a more lethal hunter. I'm guessing the face-hugger doesn't know that it didn't land on an all-dog planet, which advantageously made it even more dangerous because any dog long-legged dog can outrun a human.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: frost on Dec 18, 2006, 12:05:40 AM
Post by: frost on Dec 18, 2006, 12:05:40 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 14, 2006, 10:45:55 PMOn the special edition only(video as well)
Very end.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stay Frosty on Jan 14, 2007, 08:49:24 PM
Post by: Stay Frosty on Jan 14, 2007, 08:49:24 PM
its not on most region 2 discs, its on the videos.
i guess burke told bishop too, or when ripley is in the quuens chamber bishop took the drop ship to the derilict to get one
i guess burke told bishop too, or when ripley is in the quuens chamber bishop took the drop ship to the derilict to get one
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 14, 2007, 09:34:48 PM
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 14, 2007, 09:34:48 PM
Maybe the Queen was not the only alien to sneak aboard the craft? Perhaps an Adult alien just happened to grab an egg or two and follow the queen on board.
The Queen has to leave her hive, and because she has the secondary set of smaller arms, she can grab two eggs to bring with her, and her bigger primary arms are then still freed up.
BUT During the scene where Ripley is being chased by the Queen, we can see her secondary hands are empty, so this does not hold. The other reason is that near the Queen it does not look like there were any more good eggs to grab any way. I think it is an optional use for the secondary arms, but because of the above this did not happen.
So where did the eggs/egg come from? Bishop? Queen? Another Adult alien that did not make its presence known?
Were there more than one facehugger, more than one egg, or a single egg with two huggers, or one egg with one hugger with two embryos?
I think it is one of the great mysteries of the Alien Saga.
It is like a Magician; if you explain your tricks it is no longer as interesting.
The Queen has to leave her hive, and because she has the secondary set of smaller arms, she can grab two eggs to bring with her, and her bigger primary arms are then still freed up.
BUT During the scene where Ripley is being chased by the Queen, we can see her secondary hands are empty, so this does not hold. The other reason is that near the Queen it does not look like there were any more good eggs to grab any way. I think it is an optional use for the secondary arms, but because of the above this did not happen.
So where did the eggs/egg come from? Bishop? Queen? Another Adult alien that did not make its presence known?
Were there more than one facehugger, more than one egg, or a single egg with two huggers, or one egg with one hugger with two embryos?
I think it is one of the great mysteries of the Alien Saga.
It is like a Magician; if you explain your tricks it is no longer as interesting.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 14, 2007, 10:35:47 PM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 14, 2007, 10:35:47 PM
Or, maybe like insects (which Cameron had virtually made the aliens into), the queen laid the egg. Wouldn't that be something.
She had plenty of time in her flight in the dropship landing gear compartment. The egg was smaller, since it didn't have time to mature in an egg sac. It was upside-down probably due to her having to pop it out in an unnatural position.
She had plenty of time in her flight in the dropship landing gear compartment. The egg was smaller, since it didn't have time to mature in an egg sac. It was upside-down probably due to her having to pop it out in an unnatural position.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 14, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 14, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 14, 2007, 10:35:47 PM
Or, maybe like insects (which Cameron had virtually made the aliens into), the queen laid the egg. Wouldn't that be something.
She had plenty of time in her flight in the dropship landing gear compartment. The egg was smaller, since it didn't have time to mature in an egg sac. It was upside-down probably due to her having to pop it out in an unnatural position.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/sa/emot-science.gif
That one makes the most sense to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: davebhamuk on Jan 17, 2007, 12:04:46 AM
Post by: davebhamuk on Jan 17, 2007, 12:04:46 AM
The alien egg opening noise is on the end of both special edition included in the alien quadrilogy thats region 2.
I can buy the queen managing to pop a couple of eggs out. However I would have thought that the ship which could detect the aliens as witnessed in the scene in alien 3 where Ripley asks Bishop if an alien was onboard, would have been able to warn them that the eggs were also on board. I like the theory that Bishop did want the alien returned to earth, I mean why else spend the majority of your time dissecting the alien? he wouldnt have learned anything in that short space of time and he would have been much better suited to be sent in with the marines as a scout.
I can buy the queen managing to pop a couple of eggs out. However I would have thought that the ship which could detect the aliens as witnessed in the scene in alien 3 where Ripley asks Bishop if an alien was onboard, would have been able to warn them that the eggs were also on board. I like the theory that Bishop did want the alien returned to earth, I mean why else spend the majority of your time dissecting the alien? he wouldnt have learned anything in that short space of time and he would have been much better suited to be sent in with the marines as a scout.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 17, 2007, 09:20:38 PM
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 17, 2007, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: davebhamuk on Jan 17, 2007, 12:04:46 AM
The alien egg opening noise is on the end of both special edition included in the alien quadrilogy thats region 2.
I can buy the queen managing to pop a couple of eggs out. However I would have thought that the ship which could detect the aliens as witnessed in the scene in alien 3 where Ripley asks Bishop if an alien was onboard, would have been able to warn them that the eggs were also on board. I like the theory that Bishop did want the alien returned to earth, I mean why else spend the majority of your time dissecting the alien? he wouldnt have learned anything in that short space of time and he would have been much better suited to be sent in with the marines as a scout.
Unless, for some unknown reason the Sulaco was programmed NOT to warn them, even if it did detect the Alien there.
I smell a conspiracy!
Conspiracy in an Alien movie? ABSURD!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 17, 2007, 10:42:20 PM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 17, 2007, 10:42:20 PM
Quote from: davebhamuk on Jan 17, 2007, 12:04:46 AMFor starters, the alien in question was the facehugger. All the ship knew was that there was something moving in that part of the ship. The computer didn't know what it was, so it just let the facehugger be.
However I would have thought that the ship which could detect the aliens as witnessed in the scene in alien 3 where Ripley asks Bishop if an alien was onboard, would have been able to warn them that the eggs were also on board.
Quote from: davebhamuk on Jan 17, 2007, 12:04:46 AMAs much as we like to see Bishop as a bad guy, there isn't enough evidence to support this. Bishop didn't know that there was an alien [facehugger] onboard until Ripley had wired him to the EEV's black box. If Ripley had (rightfully) felt betrayed by Bishop, she would have taken the time to beat the shit out of what was left of him.
I like the theory that Bishop did want the alien returned to earth, I mean why else spend the majority of your time dissecting the alien? he wouldnt have learned anything in that short space of time and he would have been much better suited to be sent in with the marines as a scout.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Redfield on Jan 17, 2007, 10:57:17 PM
Post by: Redfield on Jan 17, 2007, 10:57:17 PM
yeah bishop wasnt a villain. he wouldnt have taken an egg for the derelict cause he has 2 follow orders. and he was just as scared of them as the rest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ArchangeL on Jan 18, 2007, 02:37:03 AM
Post by: ArchangeL on Jan 18, 2007, 02:37:03 AM
Maybe the egg was placed there by the director of Alien3.
In the Ripley Vs Queen battle scene, when the queen extends her inner jaws, you can clearly see a grinning Mr. Fincher behind the battle
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CPL HICKS on Jan 19, 2007, 01:00:33 PM
Post by: CPL HICKS on Jan 19, 2007, 01:00:33 PM
I just want to say Burke was a TOTAL ASSHOLE and got what he deserved... KILLED. :)
I do think Bishop did it, was'nt he coming out of the Sulaco when Ripley walked up, I'm not sure I may have to watch again here soon to check that out. :-\
I do think Bishop did it, was'nt he coming out of the Sulaco when Ripley walked up, I'm not sure I may have to watch again here soon to check that out. :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: AtR on Jan 19, 2007, 01:09:15 PM
Post by: AtR on Jan 19, 2007, 01:09:15 PM
It deffinately wasn't the Queen because she was hiding on the dropship and attacked bishop as soon as everybody(exept Hicks) got out. Bishop wouldn't have time to plant the egg, nor would of he managed to do that without Ripley notocing it. They all took off from Sulaco and all(who were left) got on the Sulaco.
It was just a random egg plant, not really thought on, just to make Alien3 happen.
It was just a random egg plant, not really thought on, just to make Alien3 happen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 19, 2007, 07:20:25 PM
Post by: Meathead320 on Jan 19, 2007, 07:20:25 PM
I always thought the egg was in the landing leg section of the drop ship.
Hmmm.
The aliens may have a lot more hidden tricks that we do not give them credit for.
They have a knack for sneaking onto escape ships. A1 alien, A2 Queen.
They put eggs in places you would never expect. Sulaco or Dropship.
They come up with new abilities that seem to suit any situation just fine. Look at the A4 aliens swimming.
Spitting acid.
The A1 Alien making an egg.
We think we have figured out their limitations yet, perhaps we have not.
Could the Queen have a way of excreting a blob of gelatinous substance that would form an egg? This may be somewhat the stuff she excretes into her egg sack normally. Who would think that it can form an egg outside?
If this is possible, could this be done very fast, so she may have even put it/them under the steel grating while she was "chasing" newt?
That is the thing I see all over the boards; "the alines cude not du that cuz they would need bla bla bla, and wude dy otherwise, cuz thay are week."
Ok, that is a gross exaggeration, but I think they get underestimated a lot. Classic mistake of these humans involved with them in the films.
Hmmm.
The aliens may have a lot more hidden tricks that we do not give them credit for.
They have a knack for sneaking onto escape ships. A1 alien, A2 Queen.
They put eggs in places you would never expect. Sulaco or Dropship.
They come up with new abilities that seem to suit any situation just fine. Look at the A4 aliens swimming.
Spitting acid.
The A1 Alien making an egg.
We think we have figured out their limitations yet, perhaps we have not.
Could the Queen have a way of excreting a blob of gelatinous substance that would form an egg? This may be somewhat the stuff she excretes into her egg sack normally. Who would think that it can form an egg outside?
If this is possible, could this be done very fast, so she may have even put it/them under the steel grating while she was "chasing" newt?
That is the thing I see all over the boards; "the alines cude not du that cuz they would need bla bla bla, and wude dy otherwise, cuz thay are week."
Ok, that is a gross exaggeration, but I think they get underestimated a lot. Classic mistake of these humans involved with them in the films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CPL HICKS on Jan 20, 2007, 04:21:13 AM
Post by: CPL HICKS on Jan 20, 2007, 04:21:13 AM
Oh those movie makers are some tricky people, gotta keep your eye them. 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 21, 2007, 10:51:10 PM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 21, 2007, 10:51:10 PM
I used to strongly defend that it was in fact some sort of 'emergency' egg laid by the queen. There are a few reasons for this, it seems to fit in nicely with the general survival instincts and characteristics of the species, also in A3 the unique 'queen' facehugger that the egg bore (which the egg itself was unique with the five petals rather than four)
However, the placement of the egg doesnt seem to be anywhere where the queen was, certainly not in the landing gear of the dropship. Also, the queen was never out of site while on the Sulaco (except when in the landing gear), so its highly unlikely that she somehow managed to lay this egg unnoticed.
This leaves Bishop. Bishop isn't like Ash, hes a better modle, but that doesnt mean he isnt suseptable to being controlled or bound by commands given to him by whomever. He had the time, was in the right place, and could be controled (I believe it may have been something along the lines of someone at WY patching in to him or programing him to not remember doing it so he could overide the rules about harming humans). I do believe the egg was a special egg with the queen facehugger for the purpose of keeping the species going or spreading, but I don't see enough evidence to support it was laid on the sulaco by the queen.
However, the placement of the egg doesnt seem to be anywhere where the queen was, certainly not in the landing gear of the dropship. Also, the queen was never out of site while on the Sulaco (except when in the landing gear), so its highly unlikely that she somehow managed to lay this egg unnoticed.
This leaves Bishop. Bishop isn't like Ash, hes a better modle, but that doesnt mean he isnt suseptable to being controlled or bound by commands given to him by whomever. He had the time, was in the right place, and could be controled (I believe it may have been something along the lines of someone at WY patching in to him or programing him to not remember doing it so he could overide the rules about harming humans). I do believe the egg was a special egg with the queen facehugger for the purpose of keeping the species going or spreading, but I don't see enough evidence to support it was laid on the sulaco by the queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 21, 2007, 11:18:18 PM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 21, 2007, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 21, 2007, 10:51:10 PMBut, if this had happened, it would have been shown. Besides, Cameron had always maintained that Bishop was an alright guy.
This leaves Bishop. Bishop isn't like Ash, hes a better modle, but that doesnt mean he isnt suseptable to being controlled or bound by commands given to him by whomever. He had the time, was in the right place, and could be controled (I believe it may have been something along the lines of someone at WY patching in to him or programing him to not remember doing it so he could overide the rules about harming humans). I do believe the egg was a special egg with the queen facehugger for the purpose of keeping the species going or spreading, but I don't see enough evidence to support it was laid on the sulaco by the queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:06:42 AM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:06:42 AM
remember though, when Aliens was filmed there was no plans for A3, and thus everything filmed was meant at face value. Then A3 came along and presented this question, and you have to derive how it happened based of the information you are provided with from the films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 01:48:19 AM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 01:48:19 AM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:06:42 AMThat's really good, except that there was nothing that even hints at Bishop going through the motions of smuggling an egg onto the Sulaco's dropship.
remember though, when Aliens was filmed there was no plans for A3, and thus everything filmed was meant at face value. Then A3 came along and presented this question, and you have to derive how it happened based of the information you are provided with from the films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CPL HICKS on Jan 22, 2007, 03:42:15 AM
Post by: CPL HICKS on Jan 22, 2007, 03:42:15 AM
Like I said, those moviemakers are some tricky people. ;)
They'll do whatever it takes to keep it going ;D
They'll do whatever it takes to keep it going ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:08:06 PM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 01:48:19 AM
That's really good, except that there was nothing that even hints at Bishop going through the motions of smuggling an egg onto the Sulaco's dropship.
Yeah, Im not saying its a cookie-cutter fit, but its the just the best explaination I see. Bishop could have left after Ripley went to get newt, droped the eg off and came back. Implausible? Very, and its a poor explaination. I believe that I've heard some better ways Bishop could have done it, but point is that from what I can see it is the only explaination that works, so far. Believe me, Im open to a different idea on hw it got there if a reasonable one could be explained.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 12:09:34 PM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 12:09:34 PM
Really?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: AtR on Jan 22, 2007, 12:11:05 PM
Post by: AtR on Jan 22, 2007, 12:11:05 PM
19 minutes until the explosion of the reactor, 40 (or so minutes) to fly from sulaco to LV426 surface. Bishop didn't leave after Ripley went after Newt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:37:08 PM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:37:08 PM
Like I said, im sure there were better stories of how he did it out there, and its hardly air tight.
An emergency egg theory makes so much more sense to me that the Bishop theory, but there just has to be a way to explain how it go tto where it is and why no one noticed it.
The egg clearly isnt in the dropship landing gear or in the dropship itself, which is the only place the Queen was before she showed herself on the Sulaco. Perhaps it is, in fact, in the dropships landing gear, but it certainly doesnt seem like it from whats shown. I'd love to hear a good reason for the emergency egg theory, because like I said I like it much better and it makes more sense to me.
An emergency egg theory makes so much more sense to me that the Bishop theory, but there just has to be a way to explain how it go tto where it is and why no one noticed it.
The egg clearly isnt in the dropship landing gear or in the dropship itself, which is the only place the Queen was before she showed herself on the Sulaco. Perhaps it is, in fact, in the dropships landing gear, but it certainly doesnt seem like it from whats shown. I'd love to hear a good reason for the emergency egg theory, because like I said I like it much better and it makes more sense to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: AtR on Jan 22, 2007, 12:45:42 PM
Post by: AtR on Jan 22, 2007, 12:45:42 PM
Face it guys, it was just randomly placed by movie directors so Alien 3 would make sense.( Continuation of the story).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:51:19 PM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 22, 2007, 12:51:19 PM
yeah poor writting, and a little insulting to the viewer just assuming we wouldnt notice that it, you know, didnt really make sense.
Im still pullin for emergency egg, bishop theory the more I think about it doesnt really work well at all either, so Im goin with the one I like better
Im still pullin for emergency egg, bishop theory the more I think about it doesnt really work well at all either, so Im goin with the one I like better
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 01:49:36 PM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 01:49:36 PM
I would imagine that when the queen lays an egg, it's not one of those 1 meter tall things that we see in the hives; it's more of a liquid that oozes out and forms itself into an ovoid.
The queen may have been in the process of making an egg when Ripley had paid her a visit. It may be that when the landing legs were opened on the deck of the Sulaco, that the queen may have dribbled some egg material onto the deck plating (remember, the plating had slots and grates) and it had formed on the underside of the plate. That would explain why the egg was smaller than the others we've seen.
We have no idea how close that plate was to the hypersleep tubes, so it's even possible that the facehugger may have crawled the length of the habitable parts of the ship to the sleep chambers.
The queen may have been in the process of making an egg when Ripley had paid her a visit. It may be that when the landing legs were opened on the deck of the Sulaco, that the queen may have dribbled some egg material onto the deck plating (remember, the plating had slots and grates) and it had formed on the underside of the plate. That would explain why the egg was smaller than the others we've seen.
We have no idea how close that plate was to the hypersleep tubes, so it's even possible that the facehugger may have crawled the length of the habitable parts of the ship to the sleep chambers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: AtR on Jan 22, 2007, 04:11:46 PM
Post by: AtR on Jan 22, 2007, 04:11:46 PM
Sorry if my post insulted anybody, was just trying to give obvious facts :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 05:56:26 PM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 22, 2007, 05:56:26 PM
It's alright. I knew that there were some inconsistancies between Alien³ and Aliens, just as Cameron had admitted to ignoring some things in Alien when making his movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 23, 2007, 04:31:56 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 23, 2007, 04:31:56 AM
QuoteThat would explain why the egg was smaller than the others we've seen.
Except without a point of reference we can only assume it's exactly the same size as the others we've seen.
There's two ways this could've happened:
1) She rescued it from the nursery and hid it between the spines on her back, then acided a hole in the landing gear well and hid it in the drop ship fuselage (note she did this AFTER the Smart Ass had docked which is why the ship systems didn't pick it up and the acid was still active just before Bishop got Bishkebabbed).
2) As above except she laid it en-route to the Sulaco.
Taking flight times into account, it can't have been secretly flown up to the Sulaco at any point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: AtR on Jan 23, 2007, 10:56:06 AM
Post by: AtR on Jan 23, 2007, 10:56:06 AM
We'll never know... o.o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 23, 2007, 10:18:26 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 23, 2007, 10:18:26 PM
No but we can make informed guesses.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: AtR on Jan 24, 2007, 12:53:06 AM
Post by: AtR on Jan 24, 2007, 12:53:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 23, 2007, 10:18:26 PMAnd that's all that matters, right ? :D
No but we can make informed guesses.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DanG on Jan 25, 2007, 04:21:12 PM
Post by: DanG on Jan 25, 2007, 04:21:12 PM
Bishop did it.
'I had to give him another shot for the pain' ...conveniently incapacitating the only witness.
Bishop is W-Y property, and will do as he's instructed by his superiors. He's also the only member of the landing team that is under no threat from an alien egg, because he is a synthetic and therefore 'unimpregnable'. I don't think a facehugger is going to be tricked and waste itself on a machine. Otherwise they'd be jumping out of their eggs at any sound or movement, so I think it's safe to say they can sense when something organic and compatible is near.
Coming back for Ripley and Newt makes perfect sense too...there's an extremely high probability that at least one of them may have been impregnated, meaning he could very likely return to W-Y with both the chicken AND the egg.
It's also very possible that Bishop is not conciously aware of his orders (or ensuing actions arising from them), thus giving him the perfect cover. In short, he may have had no idea what he has done.
I think this is the reason a synthetic was sent along...they are incapable of questioning orders.
'I had to give him another shot for the pain' ...conveniently incapacitating the only witness.
Bishop is W-Y property, and will do as he's instructed by his superiors. He's also the only member of the landing team that is under no threat from an alien egg, because he is a synthetic and therefore 'unimpregnable'. I don't think a facehugger is going to be tricked and waste itself on a machine. Otherwise they'd be jumping out of their eggs at any sound or movement, so I think it's safe to say they can sense when something organic and compatible is near.
Coming back for Ripley and Newt makes perfect sense too...there's an extremely high probability that at least one of them may have been impregnated, meaning he could very likely return to W-Y with both the chicken AND the egg.
It's also very possible that Bishop is not conciously aware of his orders (or ensuing actions arising from them), thus giving him the perfect cover. In short, he may have had no idea what he has done.
I think this is the reason a synthetic was sent along...they are incapable of questioning orders.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Jan 25, 2007, 04:41:05 PM
Post by: maledoro on Jan 25, 2007, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: DanG on Jan 25, 2007, 04:21:12 PMThere is nothing that shows that he is owned by the Company. Although he may have been made by the Company, he was most likely property of the USCM.
Bishop is W-Y property, and will do as he's instructed by his superiors. I think this is the reason a synthetic was sent along...they are incapable of questioning orders.
As for him being "sent along", he wasn't new to the Sulaco as he was asked to do the Knife Trick; something that he had done before for the team.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 25, 2007, 08:14:26 PM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 25, 2007, 08:14:26 PM
Yeah, Bishop was USCM property and part of the team.
the bigger problem is he didn't have time to secure an egg, fly out to the sulaco, dock, drop it off where he did (which why would he do it upside down in some corner?) take off again, and get back to the power station.
the bigger problem is he didn't have time to secure an egg, fly out to the sulaco, dock, drop it off where he did (which why would he do it upside down in some corner?) take off again, and get back to the power station.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 28, 2007, 10:57:22 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 28, 2007, 10:57:22 AM
Bishop is listed as ECA in the script and the XO of the Sulaco in the novel.
Neither of which are Weyland Y.
Neither of which are Weyland Y.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 28, 2007, 01:47:38 PM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jan 28, 2007, 01:47:38 PM
The only connection with WY he has is that he was made by them, which I suppose could give them the ability to overide some of his programing before the mission, but I highly doubt that happened.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 28, 2007, 09:53:14 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 28, 2007, 09:53:14 PM
QuoteThe only connection with WY he has is that he was made by them
Which isn't confirmed either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 02, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 02, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
THE FACE HUGGERS WERE CRAWLING AROUND THE QUEENS BODY ALSO ONE HAD TO BE A PREATORIAN TO CREATE A QUEEN AND THEY ARE BLACK SO WUD BE HARDER TO SEE ON A QUEEN BUT CRAWLING AROUND HER BODY LIKE BABY SCORPIONS DO ON THEIR MOTHER!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 02, 2007, 04:32:19 PM
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 02, 2007, 04:32:19 PM
zombie,
Please stop quoteing AVP: Extinction.
People come on here all the time trying to apply video game logic to the movies.
That video game is not accurate to the movies, and has "made up" castes.
No Praetorian class has been shown on film. It is just fan fiction, and video game stuff.
If you want to discuss that stuff these is a place in the forums for it here too.
The video game section.
AVP: extinction does have its fans, I am one of them too;) but in the Alien movies there have been shown only two castes of Adults. Regular adult aliens, and the Queen. That is all.
I agree that facehuggers hitching a ride on a Queen would make perfect sense, but at the end of A2, all the eggs close to the Queen, or all that we could see, had been torched.
There did not seem to be any eggs close by the Queen could take with, or have the hugger hitch rides.
We also saw an EGG in either the Sulaco (or the dropship), in the beginning of A3.
Fans have been trying to come up with a logical reason as to how that egg got there.
I think the Queen put it there, and that she can still make at least one or even two eggs without needing her eggsack.
The Aliens have been shown to have a lot more tricks up their sleeves than we give them credit for, so it is good your thinking outside the box.
Please stop quoteing AVP: Extinction.
People come on here all the time trying to apply video game logic to the movies.
That video game is not accurate to the movies, and has "made up" castes.
No Praetorian class has been shown on film. It is just fan fiction, and video game stuff.
If you want to discuss that stuff these is a place in the forums for it here too.
The video game section.
AVP: extinction does have its fans, I am one of them too;) but in the Alien movies there have been shown only two castes of Adults. Regular adult aliens, and the Queen. That is all.
I agree that facehuggers hitching a ride on a Queen would make perfect sense, but at the end of A2, all the eggs close to the Queen, or all that we could see, had been torched.
There did not seem to be any eggs close by the Queen could take with, or have the hugger hitch rides.
We also saw an EGG in either the Sulaco (or the dropship), in the beginning of A3.
Fans have been trying to come up with a logical reason as to how that egg got there.
I think the Queen put it there, and that she can still make at least one or even two eggs without needing her eggsack.
The Aliens have been shown to have a lot more tricks up their sleeves than we give them credit for, so it is good your thinking outside the box.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 02, 2007, 05:42:27 PM
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 02, 2007, 05:42:27 PM
allright heres an idea!
the queen sensed danger and as a way to ensure the survival of the race had a drone or warrior sneak the egg aboard the dropship. the drone or warrior either was still aboard the sullaco or was sucked out of the airlock.
the queen sensed danger and as a way to ensure the survival of the race had a drone or warrior sneak the egg aboard the dropship. the drone or warrior either was still aboard the sullaco or was sucked out of the airlock.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2007, 11:36:57 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 04, 2007, 11:36:57 PM
Pretty pissweak Alien not to do anything whatsoever to protect the Queen. An Alien woulda nailed Ripley in half a second strapped into that loader.
Plus we woulda seen it getting sucked out.
She was surrounded by eggs. Very simple to take one.
Plus we woulda seen it getting sucked out.
QuoteThere did not seem to be any eggs close by the Queen could take with, or have the hugger hitch rides.
She was surrounded by eggs. Very simple to take one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 05, 2007, 10:16:02 AM
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 05, 2007, 10:16:02 AM
well the queen would have had an egg on board both dropships as a way of proagating the species!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 05, 2007, 11:56:42 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 05, 2007, 11:56:42 PM
Both dropships? Then why did the Alien on the Bug Stomper kill the pilot?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 06, 2007, 12:21:48 AM
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 06, 2007, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 04, 2007, 11:36:57 PM
Pretty pissweak Alien not to do anything whatsoever to protect the Queen. An Alien woulda nailed Ripley in half a second strapped into that loader.
Plus we woulda seen it getting sucked out.QuoteThere did not seem to be any eggs close by the Queen could take with, or have the hugger hitch rides.
She was surrounded by eggs. Very simple to take one.
She WAS surrounded by them. Then Ripley torched them. Did you see any decent ones left near the Queen Ripley missed? I could be wrong on this, but I thought Ripley ruined all of the eggs that were close to her and the Queen.
As far as another Adult Alien getting onboard, with the Queen, that IS thinking outside the box constructively.
Perhaps the Queen had instructed it to not interfere? The drone slinked off and hid the eggs and itself, while the Queen provided a distraction as well as trying to kill Ripley and Newt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2007, 12:49:06 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2007, 12:49:06 AM
There were an awful lot of eggs in that room. Very easy for the Queen to bag on on the way out.
As for an adult on board - nothing whatsoever to support it.
As for an adult on board - nothing whatsoever to support it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 06, 2007, 01:48:10 AM
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 06, 2007, 01:48:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 06, 2007, 12:49:06 AM
There were an awful lot of eggs in that room. Very easy for the Queen to bag on on the way out.
As for an adult on board - nothing whatsoever to support it.
Nothing else to support it, but absence of proof is not proof of innocence.
Personally I think it is farm more likely that the Queen just took a couple with her.
She is huge, and we never saw a good lighting shot of her entire body between the time she left the hive and when she lowered herself from the Dropship.
Personally I think the eggs never ever were on the Sulaco itself, but rather still in some part of the Dropship at the Begging of A3.
I am very familiar with the Queen design, and it is a little known fact that she does have an orifice, that looks a lot like a vagina between her legs.
Eggs may come out of it, and enter the eggsack where they mature, but it may also be a place where eggs are already forming, ready to plop out into the egg sack, that assists in speeding up the development of the facehugger.
I could imagine the Queen just laying two of them in the Dropship, or even just dumping a couple out under the floor grating plates while she was searching for Newt.
The eggs may not have been mature enough to hatched just then, as without the eggsack the eggs would have taken longer to mature.
Perhaps Bishop just did not see her do this. She may not have been visible to him the entire time she was chasing newt, as without his legs, when she got behind him, he may not have been able to turn around to watch her.
Newt would have been distracted with, well running from the Queen.
The Queen is still IMHO the most simple and likely candidate for the egg stasher.
I was just saying that it is not impossible the Queen may have been occompanied by an regular Adult.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2007, 01:58:37 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2007, 01:58:37 AM
QuoteNothing else to support it, but absence of proof is not proof of innocence.
Alright then - it was Gorman all along. When no one was looking he MacGyvered a teleporter together and beamed some eggs up to the Sulaco.
J'accuse!! ;D
When you start down the whole "absence of proof" road you can make anything up and hide behind that defence. Basing theories on known facts is much more plausible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2007, 03:15:09 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2007, 03:15:09 AM
Don't be silly - Burke hitched a ride on the Alien Queen's back, holding on to an egg. When the ship landed, he ran off and planted the egg, then died after he tripped and broke his back.
DUH.
DUH.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2007, 03:33:07 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 06, 2007, 03:33:07 AM
The shifty c**t!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 06, 2007, 05:42:33 AM
Post by: Meathead320 on Mar 06, 2007, 05:42:33 AM
Maybe it was a Jocky who visited the Sulaco while every one else was on the LV-426.
OR maybe it was the PREDATORS! ;p
OR maybe it was the PREDATORS! ;p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 06, 2007, 10:22:17 AM
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 06, 2007, 10:22:17 AM
or maybe hicks was impregnated after all!! and he birthed a queen!! he was impaled by a security support!! could be what happened!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Extroheal on Mar 25, 2007, 04:05:04 AM
Post by: Extroheal on Mar 25, 2007, 04:05:04 AM
Whenever there is a thread like this, someone always feels the need to say something stupid like "the director put the egg there". ::) Please restrain yourselves people. Some of us are trying to have a serious discussion here.
First I want to establish that there was probably only one egg. It's extremely unlikely that two eggs somehow got aboard. If there were two eggs then there must've been two facehuggers and Ripley should've found the remains of the facehugger that got her aboard the cryotube. I don't know why people have so much trouble accepting a facehugger that can lay two embryos. The only facehugger we saw that laid only one embryo was the one that hot Kane. For all we know, facehuggers that lay two embryos are common. There must've been several in AVP to explain why there were more alines than hosts.
Whoever planted the egg on the Sulaco must've deliberately planted it upside down so that it would open by itself without the presence of a host. It's also obvious that it couldn't have been a human since the egg would've opened while the person was carrying it.
I don't think it could've been Bishop. Although he was created by a Weyland-Yutani guy, he works for the United States Colonial Marines. If he had a some hidden company programming that directed him to complete WY objectives in secret then why would he bother rescuing Ripley and Newt? He could've just said that everyone else died and brought the egg back to Earth himself. And why didn't he confess to Ripley in Alien 3 that he was the one who brought the egg aboard? He had nothing to lose. And he did not have the time to enter the hive, find an egg and then come back for Ripley. I don't think the aliens would've let him steal an egg. And if he did take an egg, how did he know it would contain a queen facehugger? Was it just luck?
The more obvious possibility is that the Queen is responsible. There are two ways this could've happened. Either she found an undamaged egg and carried it on her back or she has the ability to lay some kind of proto-egg without her egg sack. According to this theory, the basic egg is produced inside the queen's body and the egg sack adds extra layers of tissue to it to make it fully formed an ready to hatch when it comes out. The proto-egg would grow very slowly into a full egg, perhaps taking days or weeks. Or it may never become fully developed which would explain why the egg looks a bit smaller than a regular egg. Maybe the reason the egg opened is because it reached the end of its lifespan. However, these ideas only work if the egg was on the dropship. Since no one can prove otherwise we can assume it was on the dropship.
My favorite explanation is that a warrior alien got aboard the dropship with an egg while no one was looking. If the queen could do it then why not a warrior? The warrior's motivation would be simple. There used to be plenty of humans on our planet but now we've run out of them. Then that strange flying thing came and brought more humans. Maybe if I sneak aboard the flying thing with a queen-egg it will take me to a place where there are plenty more humans that can be used to propagate the species.
The most silly theory I've heard is that Hudson somehow escaped the hive and then somehow got aboard the dropship without anyone noticing before losing consciousness. When he woke up the dropship was back aboard the Sulaco and everyone was in hypersleep. He gave birth to a queen chestburster and the queen laid the eggs.
First I want to establish that there was probably only one egg. It's extremely unlikely that two eggs somehow got aboard. If there were two eggs then there must've been two facehuggers and Ripley should've found the remains of the facehugger that got her aboard the cryotube. I don't know why people have so much trouble accepting a facehugger that can lay two embryos. The only facehugger we saw that laid only one embryo was the one that hot Kane. For all we know, facehuggers that lay two embryos are common. There must've been several in AVP to explain why there were more alines than hosts.
Whoever planted the egg on the Sulaco must've deliberately planted it upside down so that it would open by itself without the presence of a host. It's also obvious that it couldn't have been a human since the egg would've opened while the person was carrying it.
I don't think it could've been Bishop. Although he was created by a Weyland-Yutani guy, he works for the United States Colonial Marines. If he had a some hidden company programming that directed him to complete WY objectives in secret then why would he bother rescuing Ripley and Newt? He could've just said that everyone else died and brought the egg back to Earth himself. And why didn't he confess to Ripley in Alien 3 that he was the one who brought the egg aboard? He had nothing to lose. And he did not have the time to enter the hive, find an egg and then come back for Ripley. I don't think the aliens would've let him steal an egg. And if he did take an egg, how did he know it would contain a queen facehugger? Was it just luck?
The more obvious possibility is that the Queen is responsible. There are two ways this could've happened. Either she found an undamaged egg and carried it on her back or she has the ability to lay some kind of proto-egg without her egg sack. According to this theory, the basic egg is produced inside the queen's body and the egg sack adds extra layers of tissue to it to make it fully formed an ready to hatch when it comes out. The proto-egg would grow very slowly into a full egg, perhaps taking days or weeks. Or it may never become fully developed which would explain why the egg looks a bit smaller than a regular egg. Maybe the reason the egg opened is because it reached the end of its lifespan. However, these ideas only work if the egg was on the dropship. Since no one can prove otherwise we can assume it was on the dropship.
My favorite explanation is that a warrior alien got aboard the dropship with an egg while no one was looking. If the queen could do it then why not a warrior? The warrior's motivation would be simple. There used to be plenty of humans on our planet but now we've run out of them. Then that strange flying thing came and brought more humans. Maybe if I sneak aboard the flying thing with a queen-egg it will take me to a place where there are plenty more humans that can be used to propagate the species.
The most silly theory I've heard is that Hudson somehow escaped the hive and then somehow got aboard the dropship without anyone noticing before losing consciousness. When he woke up the dropship was back aboard the Sulaco and everyone was in hypersleep. He gave birth to a queen chestburster and the queen laid the eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2007, 04:07:48 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2007, 04:07:48 AM
QuoteMy favorite explanation is that a warrior alien got aboard the dropship with an egg while no one was looking. If the queen could do it then why not a warrior?
Because, strange as it may sound, there are much simpler scenarios.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 25, 2007, 11:16:38 AM
Post by: Cromartie on Mar 25, 2007, 11:16:38 AM
look maybe hicks did birth a queen and then she made a nest in the bowels of the sulaco then his chest was impailed!!!! clemens probably assumed thats what happened to him!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ZombieSlayer909 on Mar 28, 2007, 11:49:01 PM
Post by: ZombieSlayer909 on Mar 28, 2007, 11:49:01 PM
I think that it was definantly an emergency egg. The queen is huge and would make perfect sense for her to spit one out with a queen facehugger.
But then there's Bishop. There are 3 signs that make him iffy.
"I cannot DIRECTLY harm another human being."
(Observing the facehugger). "Fascinating isn't it?"
In Alien 3, the real Bishop says "Think of all we could learn from it." This might be suggesting that the Bishop android had the same curiosity and interest in the alien race.
But then there's Bishop. There are 3 signs that make him iffy.
"I cannot DIRECTLY harm another human being."
(Observing the facehugger). "Fascinating isn't it?"
In Alien 3, the real Bishop says "Think of all we could learn from it." This might be suggesting that the Bishop android had the same curiosity and interest in the alien race.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2007, 11:56:24 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2007, 11:56:24 PM
There's no evidence to blame Bishop this isn't full of holes.
And you took Bishop's line out of a greater context. Quote the whole line.
And you took Bishop's line out of a greater context. Quote the whole line.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2007, 12:06:55 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2007, 12:06:55 AM
Quote from: mcfarlane007 on Mar 28, 2007, 11:49:01 PM
"I cannot DIRECTLY harm another human being."
"I cannot harm, or by omission of action allow to come to harm, a human being."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ZombieSlayer909 on Mar 29, 2007, 12:08:17 AM
Post by: ZombieSlayer909 on Mar 29, 2007, 12:08:17 AM
Ok whatever
If I'm posting I'm not going to open up my quadrilogy, pop it in, and go to the EXACT spot to type out the EXACT line ok? ::)
This is all of memory fair enough?
If I'm posting I'm not going to open up my quadrilogy, pop it in, and go to the EXACT spot to type out the EXACT line ok? ::)
This is all of memory fair enough?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2007, 12:11:11 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2007, 12:11:11 AM
What I wrote was from memory, and I don't even like the movie ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ZombieSlayer909 on Mar 29, 2007, 12:16:04 AM
Post by: ZombieSlayer909 on Mar 29, 2007, 12:16:04 AM
a. That's good for you if you remember every line in a movie
b. WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU LIKE ALIENS??!!??!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
b. WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU LIKE ALIENS??!!??!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2007, 12:17:50 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2007, 12:17:50 AM
If you want to quote a line to make a point, then make an effort to quote the whole line.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2007, 12:24:41 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2007, 12:24:41 AM
Quote from: mcfarlane007 on Mar 29, 2007, 12:16:04 AM
a. That's good for you if you remember every line in a movie
Don't. Just that pretty much every bit of dialogue in Aliens is a one-liner, so they're easy to remember.
Quoteb. WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU LIKE ALIENS??!!??!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Thought it could've been handled better.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Newsfop on Mar 29, 2007, 03:18:36 AM
Post by: Newsfop on Mar 29, 2007, 03:18:36 AM
::) So about this egg thing . . . I think the queen put it there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: frost on Apr 04, 2007, 10:03:40 AM
Post by: frost on Apr 04, 2007, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: Newsfop on Mar 29, 2007, 03:18:36 AM
::) So about this egg thing . . . I think the queen put it there.
Can't think of anyone else who could have!(laid it I mean)
Bishop would have had to have a tardis to get to the hive before ripley grab an egg get to the sulaco, plant the egg, get back to the dropship to rescue ripley and newt,then get ripped apart by the queen and pretend like nothing ever happened?!!??.........................I don't think so.........
As for not liking Aliens.....................................
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: scarab on Apr 19, 2007, 04:03:59 AM
Post by: scarab on Apr 19, 2007, 04:03:59 AM
Tell me what you think about this theory...Ripley saves Newt which required a long trip in an elevator to the basement. When Ripley arrived, she ran into several warrior drones protecting the hive. After killing these as well as quite a few eggs, Ripley begins to flee back to the Sulaco with the queen hot on her heels. Obviously the hive with any undamaged eggs was unprotected with the warrior drones dead and the queen chasing the girls right? We already know Bishop was ordered by Burke to transport 2 specimens back to earth for study. Isn't it coincidental that when Ripley and Newt reached the top of the platform of the atmospheric processor that Bishop was gone? Isn't it even stranger that when Bishop does arrive he comes from below the platform and from the depth that Ripley just came from? Why would he fly below the platform if it was unstable, given the possibility it could have fallen on the dropship unless he was stealing some eggs? PERFECT OPPORTUNITY?????? What do you think?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2007, 06:03:19 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2007, 06:03:19 AM
1) Where did he land? He had to land at dock 7 because he couldn't land any lower what with the place falling apart. So there's no where for him to land lower down in the AP Station.
2) By stealing the eggs he violates his core programming. ie. He's placing Hicks in danger.
3) Say he was programmed to get around his core programming and his primary objective was to steal an egg - why violate that primary objective by waiting around to pick up Ripley and Newt?
No, Bishop says he can't harm or by omission of action allow to be harmed a human being. And he spends the entire film doing just that, in spite of Ripley's hostility.
2) By stealing the eggs he violates his core programming. ie. He's placing Hicks in danger.
3) Say he was programmed to get around his core programming and his primary objective was to steal an egg - why violate that primary objective by waiting around to pick up Ripley and Newt?
No, Bishop says he can't harm or by omission of action allow to be harmed a human being. And he spends the entire film doing just that, in spite of Ripley's hostility.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: scarab on Apr 19, 2007, 06:22:48 AM
Post by: scarab on Apr 19, 2007, 06:22:48 AM
Again my argument is this...why would Bishop dangerously fly underneath the platform and not above it where he could clearly see Ripley? Also, despite the fact that Bishop "SAID" he was wired to protect humans, he knowingly allowed 2 face huggers to survive at the company's orders. Given the situation, he knew that the colonists had been wiped out by these creatures yet he chose to let them live. It seems to me his primary objective was to ensure the survival of the xenomorph by any means necessary. This was not too far off from the first android Ash. Funny how an android is standard procedure anytime the company sends people into an area full of aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2007, 06:46:42 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2007, 06:46:42 AM
Quotewhy would Bishop dangerously fly underneath the platform and not above it where he could clearly see Ripley?
Who said he didn't? Just because he rose up behind her doesn't mean he only went down.
At any rate, the egg in Alien 3 wasn't in the dropship, and there would be no time to fly to the Sulaco and back in the time it took Ripley to retrieve Newt.
Unless Bishop woke up while the others were asleep and dragged his ass to the dropship, retrieved the egg, dragged his ass back and managed to stick it to the ceiling, Bishop did not put the egg on the ship.
QuoteAlso, despite the fact that Bishop "SAID" he was wired to protect humans, he knowingly allowed 2 face huggers to survive at the company's orders.
Burke's orders, actually, and under the pretense that they would be used for further scientific study when back on Earth.
QuoteIt seems to me his primary objective was to ensure the survival of the xenomorph by any means necessary.
Hardly. Burke was the one trying to save the Aliens, not Bishop.
Burke was the one who ordered the huggers be kept alive and tried to get Ripley and Newt impregnated with them. For all we know Bishop may have terminated them, but he never got the opportunity because he had to go remote-pilot the dropship before he could complete his studies of the creatures.
Really, there's no evidence that Bishop was like Ash in any other way than him being a synthetic made by Weylan-Yutani.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2007, 09:29:19 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2007, 09:29:19 AM
Quotewhy would Bishop dangerously fly underneath the platform and not above it where he could clearly see Ripley?
What SiL said. Once again he's flying around in an AP Station that it literally blowing itself to pieces around his ears. There's be updrafts amd downdrafts all over the place. Doubt a human could've done it.
QuoteAlso, despite the fact that Bishop "SAID" he was wired to protect humans, he knowingly allowed 2 face huggers to survive at the company's orders.
And again as SiL said - Burke ordered it. Second law of robotics says he has to do what he's told by a human - and since the huggers haven't escaped stasis in the period between the colonists demise and the marines arrival, there's no reason they couldn't be safely transported to Earth and no violate the first law - but that's up to Burke and Ripley to work out.
Huggers in stasis does not equate to an unsecured egg.
QuoteIt seems to me his primary objective was to ensure the survival of the xenomorph by any means necessary.
Show me some actual evidence to that effect that doesn't rely on supposition and opinion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Extroheal on Apr 19, 2007, 09:53:57 AM
Post by: Extroheal on Apr 19, 2007, 09:53:57 AM
We don't know what room the egg was in. It could've been on the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2007, 09:59:11 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2007, 09:59:11 AM
The dropship had three areas - The cockpit, the passage leading into it, and the main hold. The location of the egg looks completely dissimilar to any part of the dropship we see.
And seeing as A) The Alien takes up all of the door, wherein Alien 3 the place looks like an Alien could fit nicely and B) the corridor the egg is in looks rather long, we can rule out the dropship as the location of the egg.
And seeing as A) The Alien takes up all of the door, wherein Alien 3 the place looks like an Alien could fit nicely and B) the corridor the egg is in looks rather long, we can rule out the dropship as the location of the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2007, 10:11:49 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 19, 2007, 10:11:49 AM
I don't think you can rule the dropship out. Not completely. I've always maintained it's in the dropship superstructure - but that's unproveable. Like every other 'egg on the Sulaco' theory
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Meathead320 on Apr 19, 2007, 06:10:30 PM
Post by: Meathead320 on Apr 19, 2007, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 19, 2007, 10:11:49 AM
I don't think you can rule the dropship out. Not completely. I've always maintained it's in the dropship superstructure - but that's unproveable. Like every other 'egg on the Sulaco' theory
I ALWAYS thought it was on the dropship myself.
We never saw the inside of the landing leg section in A2.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: crypto84 on Apr 27, 2007, 06:58:17 PM
Post by: crypto84 on Apr 27, 2007, 06:58:17 PM
A lot of fans have good ideas on how the egg got on the ship. Myabe the queen carried it on her back or something and left it in the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Its Game Time on Apr 28, 2007, 07:25:41 AM
Post by: Its Game Time on Apr 28, 2007, 07:25:41 AM
I used to think it was Bishop who did it but, after watching Aliens over and over again, i dont think he did it. But if it was the queen, how could she have done it? She would have had to sneak it on the dropship but i didnt see her holding the egg when she came out of the elevator. They should have explained how it got there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2007, 10:36:15 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 28, 2007, 10:36:15 AM
It's either stuck between the spines on her back or she laid it during the flight to the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Grid Alien on May 01, 2007, 04:45:22 PM
Post by: Grid Alien on May 01, 2007, 04:45:22 PM
I think it was the queen
Grid Alien
Grid Alien
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 02, 2007, 03:48:54 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 02, 2007, 03:48:54 AM
It's funny that this debate rages all these years later.
And it will continue forever...because there is no answer. Plain and simple. Alien3 does not show exactly where the egg came from because even the filmmakers couldn't be bothered coming up with something.
It's not the dropship or the cargo bay, so the Queen is out. Also, she seen was carrying no eggs, and she can't lay any new ones without her ovipositor.
And the egg is 'laid' upside down underneath a table or similar structure, which drops Bishop from the equation.
No answer. Rest your weary head. :)
And it will continue forever...because there is no answer. Plain and simple. Alien3 does not show exactly where the egg came from because even the filmmakers couldn't be bothered coming up with something.
It's not the dropship or the cargo bay, so the Queen is out. Also, she seen was carrying no eggs, and she can't lay any new ones without her ovipositor.
And the egg is 'laid' upside down underneath a table or similar structure, which drops Bishop from the equation.
No answer. Rest your weary head. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 02, 2007, 04:41:40 AM
Post by: SM on May 02, 2007, 04:41:40 AM
QuoteIt's not the dropship or the cargo bay, so the Queen is out. Also, she seen was carrying no eggs, and she can't lay any new ones without her ovipositor.
This is all speculative.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FACEBOX on May 02, 2007, 04:46:57 AM
Post by: FACEBOX on May 02, 2007, 04:46:57 AM
>:( FOX should release a whole hour & 1/2 movie, just to clarify this darn egg on Sulaco dilemma.
Hell... I can say, "the pixies did it", and no one will be able to disprove my theory. ::)
Hell... I can say, "the pixies did it", and no one will be able to disprove my theory. ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 02, 2007, 05:31:36 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on May 02, 2007, 05:31:36 AM
Quote from: SM on May 02, 2007, 04:41:40 AMQuoteIt's not the dropship or the cargo bay, so the Queen is out. Also, she seen was carrying no eggs, and she can't lay any new ones without her ovipositor.This is all speculative.
Not all. The room that the egg is seen in is not, and cannot be the landing gear. That much is impossible. And the Queen is seen full figure after emerging from said bay, so if she was ever carrying an egg, it could only be in the landing gear. So she can't have left an egg in some heretofore unseen white room.
Granted, Fincher ignored the look and layout of the Sulaco almost completely, but there's no way that room is the landing gear of the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 02, 2007, 05:49:40 AM
Post by: SiL on May 02, 2007, 05:49:40 AM
Fincher didn't ignore anything - The opening shots were done without him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 02, 2007, 05:55:34 AM
Post by: SM on May 02, 2007, 05:55:34 AM
I remember Fincher saying something about wanting to the title sequence to be disjointed and 'dreamlike'.
Could be some other part of the dropship. She acided a hole and stuck the egg in - hence the acid that lands near Bishop.
Though I do stress 'could'.
This too is speculative.
QuoteThe room that the egg is seen in is not, and cannot be the landing gear.
Could be some other part of the dropship. She acided a hole and stuck the egg in - hence the acid that lands near Bishop.
Though I do stress 'could'.
This too is speculative.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Its Game Time on May 02, 2007, 06:40:29 AM
Post by: Its Game Time on May 02, 2007, 06:40:29 AM
I guess we will never know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Extroheal on May 02, 2007, 09:06:55 AM
Post by: Extroheal on May 02, 2007, 09:06:55 AM
This is why I like the idea that the egg was planted by an alien warrior that came aboard the dropship like the Queen. A lot of people say the egg wasn't on the dropship. I don't know whether it was or it wasn't the but the warrior theory doesn't need the egg to be on the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on May 02, 2007, 08:36:05 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on May 02, 2007, 08:36:05 PM
We never saw the egg after the opening sequence... So who says it was actually in the escape pod or any other part of the main ship? Maybe the shot of the egg was actually a shot inside of the dropship. The facehugger(s) crawled from there to their cryo-tubes.
My ideas as to the "plothole" of the facehugger laying two embryos are:
A.) A facehugger that holds a queen is stronger and/or holds a regular warrior alien along with the queen. (We've never dealt with another queen embyro implantation, so there's nothing in the films to disprove this.)
B.) If a facehugger manages to latch onto another host before dying, it can sometimes lay another embryo. As humans can sometimes have twins, facehuggers can sometimes be created with two embryos. Or maybe facehuggers have a lot of embryos; they just die before they have time to implant them all. Another twin-like idea was mentioned as well, saying one egg could possibly be made with two huggers by chance.
C.) It was simply lost in the transition from the assembly cut to the theatrical cut. The assembly cut showed us two facehuggers, a regular one, and the newly-developed for this installment, "super facehugger". (I think that's what it's called...) So when the scene with the dead ox was cut from the film, so was the second facehugger.
I love the third film enough to not care, but I think people are a little too strict reguarding the rules of the lifecycle. These are bizarre organisms that are different from any creature we know of.
(As you can see, I'm a personal beliver in using a little imagination to close plotholes as opposed to letting them ruin a film for me...)
My ideas as to the "plothole" of the facehugger laying two embryos are:
A.) A facehugger that holds a queen is stronger and/or holds a regular warrior alien along with the queen. (We've never dealt with another queen embyro implantation, so there's nothing in the films to disprove this.)
B.) If a facehugger manages to latch onto another host before dying, it can sometimes lay another embryo. As humans can sometimes have twins, facehuggers can sometimes be created with two embryos. Or maybe facehuggers have a lot of embryos; they just die before they have time to implant them all. Another twin-like idea was mentioned as well, saying one egg could possibly be made with two huggers by chance.
C.) It was simply lost in the transition from the assembly cut to the theatrical cut. The assembly cut showed us two facehuggers, a regular one, and the newly-developed for this installment, "super facehugger". (I think that's what it's called...) So when the scene with the dead ox was cut from the film, so was the second facehugger.
I love the third film enough to not care, but I think people are a little too strict reguarding the rules of the lifecycle. These are bizarre organisms that are different from any creature we know of.
(As you can see, I'm a personal beliver in using a little imagination to close plotholes as opposed to letting them ruin a film for me...)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Extroheal on May 03, 2007, 05:56:21 AM
Post by: Extroheal on May 03, 2007, 05:56:21 AM
My interpretation has always been that some facehuggers naturally have two embryos, regardless of whether one of them is a queen or not. There were more aliens that human hosts in AVP so this is effectively a fact. It always annoys me when people insist that there were eggs aboard the Sulaco because it gets harder to explain how two eggs got aboard and because these people seem to be deliberately ignoring AVP.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 03, 2007, 06:44:58 AM
Post by: SiL on May 03, 2007, 06:44:58 AM
A) It was a mistake
and B) You'd be implying there could be multiple Aliens to a single host.
and B) You'd be implying there could be multiple Aliens to a single host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 03, 2007, 08:55:44 AM
Post by: SM on May 03, 2007, 08:55:44 AM
I could kinda go for multiple births from a single host - I brought it up in an essay about Resurrection and Wren's "twelve" Aliens years ago. However this isn't supported by onscreen evidence in Resurrection. And there's possibly ways around the "too many Aliens" in AvP without resorting to multiple embryos in single host. It's more unprecedented and unsupported speculation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Grid Alien on May 03, 2007, 05:37:28 PM
Post by: Grid Alien on May 03, 2007, 05:37:28 PM
I like the idea of a facehugger impreganating two hoasts
Grid Alien
Grid Alien
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Extroheal on May 03, 2007, 10:43:34 PM
Post by: Extroheal on May 03, 2007, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: SM on May 03, 2007, 08:55:44 AMThe only other explanation I can think of is that the Predators somehow missed some aliens in the 1904 hunt and when the rooms stopped shifting, they were stuck in the pyramid for 100 years. But this is much less plausible than the multiple embryos theory.
And there's possibly ways around the "too many Aliens" in AvP without resorting to multiple embryos in single host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on May 03, 2007, 11:49:06 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on May 03, 2007, 11:49:06 PM
Quote from: Extroheal on May 03, 2007, 10:43:34 PMIt's not too hard to believe that they were trapped, considering the queen survived all those years in the ice.Quote from: SM on May 03, 2007, 08:55:44 AMThe only other explanation I can think of is that the Predators somehow missed some aliens in the 1904 hunt and when the rooms stopped shifting, they were stuck in the pyramid for 100 years. But this is much less plausible than the multiple embryos theory.
And there's possibly ways around the "too many Aliens" in AvP without resorting to multiple embryos in single host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Newsfop on May 03, 2007, 11:49:55 PM
Post by: Newsfop on May 03, 2007, 11:49:55 PM
When I think back to when I first saw the movie, I never gave any thought to how the mechanics of the cycle worked. The title sequence made me very uneasy because of the constant intercutting between Sulaco and dead of space. (I was 11 at the time.) I think that for the film, the need to show how the creature developed just wasn't that important. Alien covered it pretty well, and Aliens showed where the eggs could come from. The rest is up for each viewer to come up with on their own. I think that it could have either been multiple facehuggers or multiple embryos.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 04, 2007, 12:54:56 AM
Post by: SM on May 04, 2007, 12:54:56 AM
Impregnation of dead bodies isn't entirely without precedent.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: gameoverman on May 06, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
Post by: gameoverman on May 06, 2007, 03:49:11 PM
Burke! It was Burke.
That was his plan all along. Ripley even figured it out, but she forgot to check the ship for any eggs. Doh!
EDIT: Ok, maybe not.
That was his plan all along. Ripley even figured it out, but she forgot to check the ship for any eggs. Doh!
EDIT: Ok, maybe not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 07, 2007, 01:25:59 AM
Post by: SM on May 07, 2007, 01:25:59 AM
He also transported a bunch of Aliens back in time to a temple in the early 21st century.
With Bishops help.
The Queen had a life support system to take into consideration. And why didn't the Aliens try to free her in the intervening century?
With Bishops help.
QuoteIt's not too hard to believe that they were trapped, considering the queen survived all those years in the ice.
The Queen had a life support system to take into consideration. And why didn't the Aliens try to free her in the intervening century?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Extroheal on May 07, 2007, 09:31:09 AM
Post by: Extroheal on May 07, 2007, 09:31:09 AM
Maybe they became trapped in a small room when the pyramid stopped shifting and couldn't get to the queen. The main reason why this theory is unlikely is that it requires the Predators to be extremely careless. Then again, they didn't bother to check Scar's body...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: echobbase79 on Jul 18, 2007, 12:59:44 AM
Post by: echobbase79 on Jul 18, 2007, 12:59:44 AM
I was searching for a thread on this and couldn't find one. If there is one post and close this one.
Until then I was wondering if anyone has any idea where the hell the Alien egg came from in that film?
It was supposed to be a super facehugger and carried to embroyos. Actually, in the Extended Cut of the film the super facehugger is shown briefly when Frank and Murphy are hanging up Babe.
Any ideas?
Until then I was wondering if anyone has any idea where the hell the Alien egg came from in that film?
It was supposed to be a super facehugger and carried to embroyos. Actually, in the Extended Cut of the film the super facehugger is shown briefly when Frank and Murphy are hanging up Babe.
Any ideas?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 18, 2007, 01:09:15 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 18, 2007, 01:09:15 AM
There will n doubt be an existing thread but it's been a while so...
1) The Queen rescued it from the hive during her escape and carried it up to the Sulaco.
2) She laid it en route to the Sulaco.
These are the two most viable options IMO.
1) The Queen rescued it from the hive during her escape and carried it up to the Sulaco.
2) She laid it en route to the Sulaco.
These are the two most viable options IMO.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: echobbase79 on Jul 18, 2007, 01:12:28 AM
Post by: echobbase79 on Jul 18, 2007, 01:12:28 AM
that's what I figured. But I don't think the writers of Alien 3 really had any idea to be honest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 18, 2007, 01:16:17 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 18, 2007, 01:16:17 AM
They didn't. I vaguely recall a comments from Giler or Hill or someone at the time that was along the lines of "The audience isn't supposed to ask that question".
That said, it's not hard to make a link. The Queen was on the Sulaco; Queens lay eggs; an egg on the Sulaco isn't a stretch. However that fact it was never adequately addressed was rather cheap and one of the many problems with Alien3.
That said, it's not hard to make a link. The Queen was on the Sulaco; Queens lay eggs; an egg on the Sulaco isn't a stretch. However that fact it was never adequately addressed was rather cheap and one of the many problems with Alien3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 18, 2007, 03:16:50 AM
Post by: ShadowPred on Jul 18, 2007, 03:16:50 AM
Yeah, but I doubt anyone even questions this very often.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Private W Hudson on Mar 30, 2009, 02:22:09 AM
Post by: Private W Hudson on Mar 30, 2009, 02:22:09 AM
Gosh put the facts together bishop was messing about with the facehuggers while he was in the medlabs you didnt see him at all between the time the fighting was going on in the hives. He hesitated when spunkmyer said do you need anything else, Also he was late when he was gonna pick ripley up he stepped foward straight away when someone had to get a drop ship from the suloco on remote. In alien 3 when ripley plugged him back up he knew the alien was with them all the way (Or seeing his a android he knew that already) Alien 3 they wanted to get ripleys trust he didnt ask about hicks death or newts he werent botherd (Or he already knew like he said everything goes into the computer) and then he said "YOU MUST LET ME HAVE IT ITS AMAZING" and thats about it and i hope they didnt kill morse <3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 30, 2009, 03:01:28 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 30, 2009, 03:01:28 AM
QuoteGosh put the facts together bishop was messing about with the facehuggers while he was in the medlabs you didnt see him at all between the time the fighting was going on in the hives.
That's not going to work. Say he did sneak over to the AP station and steal an egg and take it back to the colony. Then what? He didn't take it with him to the landing field. So that's out.
QuoteHe hesitated when spunkmyer said do you need anything else
Suspicious, yes. Also a red herring. Either way it doesn't support him smuggling anything.
QuoteAlso he was late when he was gonna pick ripley up he stepped foward straight away when someone had to get a drop ship from the suloco on remote.
He can't allow humans to come to harm and he was the only one qualified to remote pilot the dropship. What else was he supposed to do?
As for the rest of your post - not seeing the relevance.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Awgustas on Apr 01, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
Post by: Awgustas on Apr 01, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
I think the queen layed an emergency egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Awgustas on Apr 01, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
Post by: Awgustas on Apr 01, 2009, 06:11:29 PM
Quote from: AdamJZ on Dec 13, 2006, 10:07:54 PMBTW, I think the queen facehugger can hold 2 embryos. 1st for the queen and the second for the queens host protection.
There had to be two eggs on the ship though, one for the facehugger that would infect the dog/ox, and another (queen facehugger) that would infect Ripley. I don't really know what to make of it, its a pretty big plothole, just that I don't think it was the queen by the way Bishop said "It was with us the whole way"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 03, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 03, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
Quote from: Awgustas on Apr 01, 2009, 06:08:24 PM
I think the queen layed an emergency egg.
I with Awgustas.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: WarriorRidged on Mar 08, 2010, 02:09:39 PM
Post by: WarriorRidged on Mar 08, 2010, 02:09:39 PM
Sorry to pull this thread up again, but I just wanted to add that it will be interesting to see what the game "Aliens: Colonial Marines" comes up with to explain this.
Though I realise, games aren't strictly canon. The game is about investigating the Sulaco, set after Alien 3. We can be sure this plot point will be addressed. If this game is extremely well written, we may well get a superbly crafted answer - something that makes sense, that none of us thought of - that we can all finally accept as canon.
The was Bishop II human or an android may also be addressed. The beauty of it is, with it being a game we don't HAVE to accept either as canon. The problem is with films is that we have to accept it as canon.
But with some of the INCREDIBLE writing you do get in games these days, I'm really looking forward to seeing what they come up with in regards to the "how did the egg get on the Sulaco" argument... a point that will surely be addressed.
Though I realise, games aren't strictly canon. The game is about investigating the Sulaco, set after Alien 3. We can be sure this plot point will be addressed. If this game is extremely well written, we may well get a superbly crafted answer - something that makes sense, that none of us thought of - that we can all finally accept as canon.
The was Bishop II human or an android may also be addressed. The beauty of it is, with it being a game we don't HAVE to accept either as canon. The problem is with films is that we have to accept it as canon.
But with some of the INCREDIBLE writing you do get in games these days, I'm really looking forward to seeing what they come up with in regards to the "how did the egg get on the Sulaco" argument... a point that will surely be addressed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Crainy on Mar 08, 2010, 02:42:35 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 08, 2010, 02:42:35 PM
Well, i think this is how it happened: The alien queen produced an egg inside her, unfinished, like a slimy mess or something which would later evolve. While she was on the shuttle, she spit this slimy mess right onto the wall, where it evolved. I mean, why not? Alien can spit acid out of their bodies, why not queens eggs? The facehugger that got the dog just ran by and got onto the shuttle with the queen. Thats plausible and logic.
I mean, think about it: They landed in a HIVE of aliens. Of course something for onboard.
I mean, think about it: They landed in a HIVE of aliens. Of course something for onboard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:01 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:01 PM
Aliens can't spit out eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Crainy on Mar 08, 2010, 03:00:17 PM
Post by: Crainy on Mar 08, 2010, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:01 PM
Aliens can't spit out eggs.
How can you know? Why shouldnt they?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Keg on Mar 08, 2010, 06:41:34 PM
Post by: Keg on Mar 08, 2010, 06:41:34 PM
Quote from: Makkaveli101 on Mar 08, 2010, 02:09:39 PM
Sorry to pull this thread up again, but I just wanted to add that it will be interesting to see what the game "Aliens: Colonial Marines" comes up with to explain this.
Though I realise, games aren't strictly canon. The game is about investigating the Sulaco, set after Alien 3. We can be sure this plot point will be addressed. If this game is extremely well written, we may well get a superbly crafted answer - something that makes sense, that none of us thought of - that we can all finally accept as canon.
The was Bishop II human or an android may also be addressed. The beauty of it is, with it being a game we don't HAVE to accept either as canon. The problem is with films is that we have to accept it as canon.
But with some of the INCREDIBLE writing you do get in games these days, I'm really looking forward to seeing what they come up with in regards to the "how did the egg get on the Sulaco" argument... a point that will surely be addressed.
If A:CM does go down this route it could be fantastic. I was hoping AVP as going to do this when I heard it was set after Alien 3 and Lance Henriksen was to voice Bishop but instead it just threw further confusion into the mix so that game didnt provide an answer. And for people saying games are NEVER canon, just look at last years Ghostbusters. A perfect example of a canon videogame. It was like a fully fledged sequel with nothing to contradict or ruin what had come before it in the movies. If A:CM pulled of something similar it would be great.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ShadowStalker on Mar 08, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
Post by: ShadowStalker on Mar 08, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
Well honestly have no idea how this egg got there, for they have been mentioned already lol Id rather have it a mystery!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jamal on Mar 13, 2010, 02:11:55 PM
Post by: Jamal on Mar 13, 2010, 02:11:55 PM
No egg, no Alien3.
Thats your answer :)
Thats your answer :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 14, 2010, 02:59:52 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 14, 2010, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 08, 2010, 03:00:17 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 08, 2010, 02:49:01 PM
Aliens can't spit out eggs.
How can you know? Why shouldnt they?
Because then they wouldn't need a queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 14, 2010, 03:59:15 PM
Post by: ShadowPred on Mar 14, 2010, 03:59:15 PM
Hell, according to AvPR they don't even need one. So spitting out eggs isn't out of the question no matter how much I despise that idea, sooner or later we'll end up seeing that on screen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 14, 2010, 04:04:34 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 14, 2010, 04:04:34 PM
The predalien did it in AVPR but it don't connect the AVP films to the alien series so this doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 8thPassenger on Mar 15, 2010, 09:40:33 AM
Post by: 8thPassenger on Mar 15, 2010, 09:40:33 AM
The idea about that one magic "emergency egg" that the queen is able to produce without its ovipositor seems kinda far-fetched and unnecessary to me. If we believe wikipedia, an ovipositor is used "...to transmit the egg, to prepare a place for it, and to place it properly." So the egg is still very much produced inside the queen's body, and the ovipositor is just kinda like a handy tool for mass-producing them. :)
Even sillier is the idea of an alien warrior sneaking in the dropship with two eggs under it's arms.
The eggs were laid in the dropship landing gear bay, in my opinion. The reason it doesn't look like that in Alien3 is because of a thing called artistic liberty, exercised by Mr. Fincher.
Even sillier is the idea of an alien warrior sneaking in the dropship with two eggs under it's arms.
The eggs were laid in the dropship landing gear bay, in my opinion. The reason it doesn't look like that in Alien3 is because of a thing called artistic liberty, exercised by Mr. Fincher.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
Post by: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
Quote from: 8thPassenger on Mar 15, 2010, 09:40:33 AM
The idea about that one magic "emergency egg" that the queen is able to produce without its ovipositor seems kinda far-fetched and unnecessary to me. If we believe wikipedia, an ovipositor is used "...to transmit the egg, to prepare a place for it, and to place it properly." So the egg is still very much produced inside the queen's body, and the ovipositor is just kinda like a handy tool for mass-producing them. :)
So there could easily still be eggs inside the Queen after the ovipositor is detached. If we believe Wikipedia, "in some of the insects the organ is used merely to attach the egg to some surface", which essentially just makes it a tool for placing the eggs more accurately. However, removing the ovipositor wouldn't make it impossible to get the eggs out of the "womb" if you will, so the Queen could easily have laid the remaining egg or two inside the ship and placed them somewhere safe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 8thPassenger on Mar 15, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
Post by: 8thPassenger on Mar 15, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
Quote from: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
So there could easily still be eggs inside the Queen after the ovipositor is detached. If we believe Wikipedia, "in some of the insects the organ is used merely to attach the egg to some surface", which essentially just makes it a tool for placing the eggs more accurately. However, removing the ovipositor wouldn't make it impossible to get the eggs out of the "womb" if you will, so the Queen could easily have laid the remaining egg or two inside the ship and placed them somewhere safe.
That's exactly what I was trying to say.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 12:00:26 PM
Post by: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 12:00:26 PM
I know, I was merely concuring or further clarifying or some such.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 8thPassenger on Mar 15, 2010, 12:08:18 PM
Post by: 8thPassenger on Mar 15, 2010, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 12:00:26 PM
I know, I was merely concuring or further clarifying or some such.
Yeah, and it's a good thing you did, because you said it much better than I ever could. Clarifying = good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Hyena on Mar 15, 2010, 04:19:52 PM
Post by: The Hyena on Mar 15, 2010, 04:19:52 PM
Isn't the ship meant to be hived? as suggested by Aliens: Colonial Marines DS?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Lie on Mar 15, 2010, 06:12:17 PM
Post by: Lie on Mar 15, 2010, 06:12:17 PM
Bishop put it just like bishop waited for the queen to emerge be for picking it up (Ripley and Newt just happen to get on the ship at the say time), and he tried to get Ripley killed by walking to where he knew it was. Your telling me that an synthetic who instead of learing how to fly can just download how to fly didn't notice something as heavy as the Queen on his ship. No way he knew it was there on all planes from now until doomsday they will have at least one panel telling how much weight your carrying.
Bishop is Evil.
Bishop is Evil.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Danger Close on Mar 15, 2010, 06:39:09 PM
Post by: Danger Close on Mar 15, 2010, 06:39:09 PM
I always thought the queen left it there, and I still do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 15, 2010, 06:48:31 PM
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 15, 2010, 06:48:31 PM
This is the only way I can make sense of the Egg on the Sulaco.
The Queen wiggled her way into the Dropship. As it makes it's way back onto the Sulaco, the Queen lay's a Queen Egg. I always thought she stashed it in the cavity of the Dropship (altho the picture suggests otherwise).
While everyone is sleeping, the Queen Facehugger emerges. Seeks out the nearest life form, Newt. Now Newt's cryo-tube is flooded upon impact on Fury.
NOW THE FOLLOWING IS DEPICTED IN THE ALIEN 3 COMIC (SEE FOR YOURSELF)
The underdeveloped Queen embryo climbs out of Newt's body and crawls into Ripley's mouth. This I can buy, in all honesty.
It makes sense that the Queen Facehuggers can contain two embroys: A Queen and a Drone. A Drone is necessary to protect the Queen in her vulnerable suspended state and also to bring back hosts for the newly laid eggs. Like people have said, it was chance that the Queen Facehugger grabbed a dog.
How anyone can blame Bishop I do not get at all.
The Queen wiggled her way into the Dropship. As it makes it's way back onto the Sulaco, the Queen lay's a Queen Egg. I always thought she stashed it in the cavity of the Dropship (altho the picture suggests otherwise).
While everyone is sleeping, the Queen Facehugger emerges. Seeks out the nearest life form, Newt. Now Newt's cryo-tube is flooded upon impact on Fury.
NOW THE FOLLOWING IS DEPICTED IN THE ALIEN 3 COMIC (SEE FOR YOURSELF)
The underdeveloped Queen embryo climbs out of Newt's body and crawls into Ripley's mouth. This I can buy, in all honesty.
It makes sense that the Queen Facehuggers can contain two embroys: A Queen and a Drone. A Drone is necessary to protect the Queen in her vulnerable suspended state and also to bring back hosts for the newly laid eggs. Like people have said, it was chance that the Queen Facehugger grabbed a dog.
How anyone can blame Bishop I do not get at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Lie on Mar 15, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
Post by: Lie on Mar 15, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
Quote from: Proj2501 on Mar 15, 2010, 06:48:31 PM
This is the only way I can make sense of the Egg on the Sulaco.
The Queen wiggled her way into the Dropship. As it makes it's way back onto the Sulaco, the Queen lay's a Queen Egg. I always thought she stashed it in the cavity of the Dropship (altho the picture suggests otherwise).
While everyone is sleeping, the Queen Facehugger emerges. Seeks out the nearest life form, Newt. Now Newt's cryo-tube is flooded upon impact on Fury.
NOW THE FOLLOWING IS DEPICTED IN THE ALIEN 3 COMIC (SEE FOR YOURSELF)
The underdeveloped Queen embryo climbs out of Newt's body and crawls into Ripley's mouth. This I can buy, in all honesty.
It makes sense that the Queen Facehuggers can contain two embroys: A Queen and a Drone. A Drone is necessary to protect the Queen in her vulnerable suspended state and also to bring back hosts for the newly laid eggs. Like people have said, it was chance that the Queen Facehugger grabbed a dog.
How does she lay the egg without an Eggsac? She cant just squat it out. XD And why would she need a egg for anyway she can produce her own when shes ready
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 07:20:32 PM
Post by: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 07:20:32 PM
Quote from: Lie1295 on Mar 15, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
How does she lay the egg without an Eggsac? She cant just squat it out. XD And why would she need a egg for anyway she can produce her own when shes ready
Why not? Women do it as well. The eggsack isn't necessarily anything more than a tube connected to the Queen's womb, where the eggs actually are produced. Hypothetically. Like so:
Quote from: Mus on Mar 15, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
there could easily still be eggs inside the Queen after the ovipositor is detached. If we believe Wikipedia, "in some of the insects the organ is used merely to attach the egg to some surface", which essentially just makes it a tool for placing the eggs more accurately. However, removing the ovipositor wouldn't make it impossible to get the eggs out of the "womb" if you will, so the Queen could easily have laid the remaining egg or two inside the ship and placed them somewhere safe.
I personally like the idea, as that would essentially render the eggsack/ovipositor a penis. On a pregnant female. Now that's some twisted shit, mang.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 15, 2010, 07:55:21 PM
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 15, 2010, 07:55:21 PM
The egg sack serves for futher growth of the eggs.
We can see this egg in comparison to the lettering, which suffice is to say is probably not enormous, is fairly small.
The eggs grow in size in the Egg Sack and they are receiving nutrients from the Queen. Think breast feeding.
These eggs are much bigger by comparison.
We can see this egg in comparison to the lettering, which suffice is to say is probably not enormous, is fairly small.
The eggs grow in size in the Egg Sack and they are receiving nutrients from the Queen. Think breast feeding.
These eggs are much bigger by comparison.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Hyena on Mar 15, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
Post by: The Hyena on Mar 15, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
Some insects don't require an ovipositor. Surely the 'perfect organism' would have developed to not be totally reliant on the Ovipositor correct?
Think in terms of Yeast.
Think in terms of Yeast.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 10:39:58 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 10:39:58 PM
Quote from: Proj2501 on Mar 15, 2010, 07:55:21 PM
The egg sack serves for futher growth of the eggs.
We can see this egg in comparison to the lettering, which suffice is to say is probably not enormous, is fairly small.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
The eggs grow in size in the Egg Sack and they are receiving nutrients from the Queen. Think breast feeding.
These eggs are much bigger by comparison.
http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/film_images/Alien_Cane_examining_egg.jpg
Comparison to what? There's no point of reference in the first shot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Politikon on Mar 16, 2010, 02:09:45 AM
Post by: Politikon on Mar 16, 2010, 02:09:45 AM
AAAAAHHH!!!!!
Not the EGG question again!!!
Look there actually is an answer to this question, but it's NOT ACTUALLY AN ANSWER.
Here goes.
This thing with the EEV crash landing with an ALIEN both on board and inside Ripley is one of the left-overs from the Vincent Ward script.
If you watch interviews with Ward, he explains that his intention was to sort of imply that Ripley's quilt over all this tragedy has sort of created the ALIEN, or better yet that the origin of it does not even matter because she is so haunted by these monsters that it simply is eternally manifest in her life...then through all the religious metaphors in part 3 it is/Ripley is meant to resemble a sort of distorted version of the Virgin birth of Jesus....only it will destroy the world. It helps to make sense if you think of A:3 as sort of THE OMEN, only the Antichrist is called 'A BEAST' of 'DRAGON' and has been created by it's mother's mental state.
That said, while I like the depth of this idea, coming off of ALIENS, which is more straight forward than any of the ALIEN films, it was an extremely bad decision. Especially since mid way through Production the studio decided to not explain this properly, causing all kinds of problems.
That said, it's my theory that the COLONIAL MARINES game, if it ever sees the light of day, will explain the Egg's origin in a much more traditional way.
Not the EGG question again!!!
Look there actually is an answer to this question, but it's NOT ACTUALLY AN ANSWER.
Here goes.
This thing with the EEV crash landing with an ALIEN both on board and inside Ripley is one of the left-overs from the Vincent Ward script.
If you watch interviews with Ward, he explains that his intention was to sort of imply that Ripley's quilt over all this tragedy has sort of created the ALIEN, or better yet that the origin of it does not even matter because she is so haunted by these monsters that it simply is eternally manifest in her life...then through all the religious metaphors in part 3 it is/Ripley is meant to resemble a sort of distorted version of the Virgin birth of Jesus....only it will destroy the world. It helps to make sense if you think of A:3 as sort of THE OMEN, only the Antichrist is called 'A BEAST' of 'DRAGON' and has been created by it's mother's mental state.
That said, while I like the depth of this idea, coming off of ALIENS, which is more straight forward than any of the ALIEN films, it was an extremely bad decision. Especially since mid way through Production the studio decided to not explain this properly, causing all kinds of problems.
That said, it's my theory that the COLONIAL MARINES game, if it ever sees the light of day, will explain the Egg's origin in a much more traditional way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 16, 2010, 05:00:45 AM
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 16, 2010, 05:00:45 AM
Quote from: Politikon on Mar 16, 2010, 02:09:45 AM
This thing with the EEV crash landing with an ALIEN both on board and inside Ripley is one of the left-overs from the Vincent Ward script.
After reading all that, I'm happy it was scrapped. Simply manifesting in Ripley's (Neo Virgin Mary's) presence...ugh.
Quote from: SM on Mar 15, 2010, 10:39:58 PM
Comparison to what? There's no point of reference in the first shot.
Compared to the lettering of 'SULACO'. Normally, structural-identifying lettering similar on ships, trucks and planes are relatively small. Repeat: THE LETTERS NEXT TO THE EGG ARE MOST LIKELY NO MORE THAN 8-9 INCHES IN LENGTH.
Also, I don't know how crazy you want to get with this, but the lighting on the edges of the metal structure dones't suggest an enormous wall or anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 16, 2010, 05:09:59 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 16, 2010, 05:09:59 AM
Nothing in that shot suggests anything other than "Open egg on the Sulaco dun-dun-duuuuuun!!!". From which came a normal sized facehugger.
Putting something in all caps isn't going to suddenly make it somehow factual.
Putting something in all caps isn't going to suddenly make it somehow factual.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Politikon on Mar 17, 2010, 02:48:23 AM
Post by: Politikon on Mar 17, 2010, 02:48:23 AM
Quote from: Proj2501 on Mar 16, 2010, 05:00:45 AMQuote from: Politikon on Mar 16, 2010, 02:09:45 AM
This thing with the EEV crash landing with an ALIEN both on board and inside Ripley is one of the left-overs from the Vincent Ward script.
After reading all that, I'm happy it was scrapped. Simply manifesting in Ripley's (Neo Virgin Mary's) presence...ugh.
MY RESPONSE:
Well, the thing is IT kinda wasn't scrapped. And it's not that the ALIEN is supposed to be literally manifesting in Ripley's presence. More like it was meant to be expressionistic..er something. Like a symbol of her guilt or like wishing something into existence.
It'snot meant to be clear and it's almost as if the movie is saying it doesn't matter. I didn't mean to imply, that is....It's not as if the Vincent Ward script out right SAYS this, it is just an arty thing that ended up n ALIEN 3. And while this was an unpopular decision, this actually is the answer to this question.
The egg didnt come from any of those things. It's not meant to be explained because EXPRESSIONISM doesn't need to explain it...
To be honest, it kinda would be a waste of time to include the 'WHERE the alien came from' part of the story in ALIEN 3.
BUT ONLY IF THE STORY IS WHAT THE STORY IS, because if WARD's story, most of which thematically ended up in ALIEN 3, is the story they wanted to tell, the spending time getting the ALIEN there would have just been wasteful.
To take it a step further, I think most people just dont like the story ALIEN 3 chose to tell and the egg on the Sulaco is kinda unimportant to telling that story, which is entirely about and expressionist version of Ripley's mental state. The ALIEN's location doesnt even matter. She'll never escape it at that point.
Another important thing to consider is whether or not ALIENS is actually providing false hope at the end. I mean, the dumbest thing in any of the ALIEN films, IMO, is that they get into hyper sleep at the end of ALIENS as if everything is right as rain. Meanwhile, they are obviously in the middle of an on going disaster...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 03:09:11 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 03:09:11 AM
The Aliens were - as far as they were concerned - destroyed.
There was no "on going disaster".
There was no "on going disaster".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Politikon on Mar 17, 2010, 03:37:28 AM
Post by: Politikon on Mar 17, 2010, 03:37:28 AM
The disaster I speak of is what they were returning to back home. An absolute mess. Just like Ripley returning after ALIEN, only worse.
Think about it. They just blew up a colony of Terraformers after surviving an ALien attack that killed numberous Marines. Thats not even to mention the Company or what the MIlitary would do to them...They are walking into an all around disaster.
Think about it. They just blew up a colony of Terraformers after surviving an ALien attack that killed numberous Marines. Thats not even to mention the Company or what the MIlitary would do to them...They are walking into an all around disaster.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 03:43:55 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 03:43:55 AM
Thats right SM.
There was no ongoing disaster. And lets look at it a little closer.
At the start of Aliens we see that Ripley survived her encounter with the Alien physically, but she didn't survive mentally. She's having nightmares etc.
When offered a chance to go back, she initially refuses, but after waking up from a nightmare she chooses to go on the condition that they're going there to "destroy them right, not to study, not to bring back, but to wipe them out."
From that aspect it becomes a kind of revenge thing.
Fast forward to the scene where ripley is in the nest with the queen, she torches the place and lays waste to the eggs. Was this a reasonable thing to do - absolutely not - the place was going to blow up anyway but the reason Ripley did it was a carthardic (sp) thing - This was Ripleys revenge.
This fits in well with the end lines of the film:
Newt "Can I dream?"
Ripley "Yes honey, I think we both can."
Obviously implying that Ripley has now survived physically AND mentally.
There was no ongoing disaster. And lets look at it a little closer.
At the start of Aliens we see that Ripley survived her encounter with the Alien physically, but she didn't survive mentally. She's having nightmares etc.
When offered a chance to go back, she initially refuses, but after waking up from a nightmare she chooses to go on the condition that they're going there to "destroy them right, not to study, not to bring back, but to wipe them out."
From that aspect it becomes a kind of revenge thing.
Fast forward to the scene where ripley is in the nest with the queen, she torches the place and lays waste to the eggs. Was this a reasonable thing to do - absolutely not - the place was going to blow up anyway but the reason Ripley did it was a carthardic (sp) thing - This was Ripleys revenge.
This fits in well with the end lines of the film:
Newt "Can I dream?"
Ripley "Yes honey, I think we both can."
Obviously implying that Ripley has now survived physically AND mentally.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 17, 2010, 03:44:25 AM
Post by: Proj2501 on Mar 17, 2010, 03:44:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 16, 2010, 05:09:59 AM
Putting something in all caps isn't going to suddenly make it somehow factual.
OKAY.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 04:08:37 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 04:08:37 AM
QuoteThink about it. They just blew up a colony of Terraformers after surviving an ALien attack that killed numberous Marines. Thats not even to mention the Company or what the MIlitary would do to them...They are walking into an all around disaster.
What exactly are they going to do to them?
Four eyewitnesses - one of whom is a droid - all telling the same story about what happened and confirming Ripley's story from the first inquiry. Plus the mission logs sent back to Sulaco. More than likely they'll give them a stack of money to shut up and go and check on LV-426 to see if they can find anything.
Seeing as they didn't kill Morse (at least not right away) it'd be unlikely they'd kill Ripley, Hicks and Newt. Especially considering their knowledge and experience.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 04:48:11 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 04:48:11 AM
I'd also like to add that the Marines didn't blow anything up. The AP blew up as a result of the Dropship/APC crash explosion thingy majig. Lets also not forget that the marines were sent in SPECIFICALLY because no contact had been made with the colony in a while and that they had Ripley's testamony. They were already suspicious of what was going on.
Given the evidence the survivors had (they now have video and audio of everything that happened via the helmetcams) I doubt very much that anything would have happened to them.
Given the evidence the survivors had (they now have video and audio of everything that happened via the helmetcams) I doubt very much that anything would have happened to them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 17, 2010, 05:02:22 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 17, 2010, 05:02:22 AM
Quote from: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 04:48:11 AM
I'd also like to add that the Marines didn't blow anything up. The AP blew up as a result of the Dropship/APC crash explosion thingy majig.
On this note, I still find it humorous people question over this... We clearly see the dropship fly right into the AP and go BLAMMO in there. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 05:05:08 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 05:05:08 AM
and that Bishop actually says that its a result of the crash.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 05:14:17 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 05:14:17 AM
Thing is we don't see it particularly clearly. Bishops dialogue clears this up however.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Politikon on Mar 17, 2010, 07:14:11 AM
Post by: Politikon on Mar 17, 2010, 07:14:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 05:14:17 AM
Thing is we don't see it particularly clearly. Bishops dialogue clears this up however.
It doesn't matter. The Company would have a field day with all this. It's not in keeping with the mythology of the films in anyway to assume that anyone back home has any intention of not ruining her. The company/ the military/ every single human she encounters is corrupt. Her exposure to the monster alone obviously puts her in danger. It's ony logical to assume they will ruin her to cover it up or expose her to endless questioning or even kill to shut them up.
Im sorry but I completely disagree that the human race does not pose a serious threat to the 3 survivors at the end of ALIENS. In fact, it would be incongruous if Part 3 started and they weren't in serious danger.
As a matter of fact, I don't even believe they were out of the water at the end of ALIENS enough to not further their own investigation.
I dunno where you guys are getting these ideals from regarding the ALIEN series, certainly not the same series I'm watching.
The Human race is depicted as being seriously amoral, exploitative and interested only in power, and personal gain.
I think ALIEN 3 was definitely right in it's assumption that Ripley had nothing to go back to.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
QuoteIt's not in keeping with the mythology of the films in anyway to assume that anyone back home has any intention of not ruining her.
How was she ruined the first time precisely? Based on the evidence at hand, they revoked her flight status. And then reinstated it shortly after when she agreed to go back. If they were intent on ruining here they weren't terribly good at it.
QuoteThe company/ the military/ every single human she encounters is corrupt.
Eh? I'll grant you Burke. Ash had no choice. But the Nostromo crew and all the marines were corrupt? You have watched these films right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 11:36:15 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 17, 2010, 11:36:15 PM
I agree with SM.
The company as a whole didn't really know anything about the alien. And as far as we know there were no more attempts since the Nostromo to when Ripley is picked up to get the Alien so I'm assuming that it was a small number of people that originally sent the nostromo there.
In Aliens, it was only Burke. Burke was the one person that gave the colonists the coordinates. For all intents and purposes Burke was seemingly acting alone.
Van Lewin (sp) and co didn't really come down all that hard on Ripley considering she freely admitted to detonating and thereby destroying an M class starfreighter. With absolutely no other evidence to hand besides her testimony they really didn't do much to her.
BUT
Ulitmately its all irrelevant. Even if you're right, do you really think that Ripley, Hicks and Newt would care less what the company did to them. They just survived hell.
The important thing to consider about the ending to Aliens was that Ripley has now survived her nightmare and she can "dream" again.
The company as a whole didn't really know anything about the alien. And as far as we know there were no more attempts since the Nostromo to when Ripley is picked up to get the Alien so I'm assuming that it was a small number of people that originally sent the nostromo there.
In Aliens, it was only Burke. Burke was the one person that gave the colonists the coordinates. For all intents and purposes Burke was seemingly acting alone.
Van Lewin (sp) and co didn't really come down all that hard on Ripley considering she freely admitted to detonating and thereby destroying an M class starfreighter. With absolutely no other evidence to hand besides her testimony they really didn't do much to her.
BUT
Ulitmately its all irrelevant. Even if you're right, do you really think that Ripley, Hicks and Newt would care less what the company did to them. They just survived hell.
The important thing to consider about the ending to Aliens was that Ripley has now survived her nightmare and she can "dream" again.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Politikon on Mar 18, 2010, 01:07:18 AM
Post by: Politikon on Mar 18, 2010, 01:07:18 AM
I disagree entirely. There is a constant underlying thread that the human race has lost it's morality.
Not when it concerns the lay-folk but apart from her crew members Ripley next to never encounters a friendly face.
I can't go any further with this conversation because this really boils down to interpretation and it's my persoanl opinion that a safe and happy human race is not evident in the ALIEN universe to the the extent that I think if we ever saw one it wouldn't fit with the series.
As for the Company, I'm not even gonna debate whether they are corrupt, it's silly. The films obviously want you to know they can't be trusted.
The only people worth shit in this universe are the downtrodden, thats the way its depicted. Even the humans we qet to know express things like racism/ apartheid towards the androids, and a money above all else policy.
The Company not believing Ripley is meant to mean, they don't care or dont want anyone to know. They are trying to bury the situation by making her the fall guy.
It's naive to think they just didn't trust her...
And as for do I really think they would care less....the answer is NO. I think they should have been concerned and anyway you started ALIEN 3 had to involve that concern and tell that story.
What would you have happen?
Would they lie and say nothing about the ALIEN? Because I don't know what universe you live in but do you think they could tell their story and not have serious life altering reactions?
How?
Like it should just jump to 3 years later and they are living happily ever after in the MId-west? No way. ALIENS clearly did not wrap up the story. It's ending is intended to imply more to come from whereevr.
Not when it concerns the lay-folk but apart from her crew members Ripley next to never encounters a friendly face.
I can't go any further with this conversation because this really boils down to interpretation and it's my persoanl opinion that a safe and happy human race is not evident in the ALIEN universe to the the extent that I think if we ever saw one it wouldn't fit with the series.
As for the Company, I'm not even gonna debate whether they are corrupt, it's silly. The films obviously want you to know they can't be trusted.
The only people worth shit in this universe are the downtrodden, thats the way its depicted. Even the humans we qet to know express things like racism/ apartheid towards the androids, and a money above all else policy.
The Company not believing Ripley is meant to mean, they don't care or dont want anyone to know. They are trying to bury the situation by making her the fall guy.
It's naive to think they just didn't trust her...
And as for do I really think they would care less....the answer is NO. I think they should have been concerned and anyway you started ALIEN 3 had to involve that concern and tell that story.
What would you have happen?
Would they lie and say nothing about the ALIEN? Because I don't know what universe you live in but do you think they could tell their story and not have serious life altering reactions?
How?
Like it should just jump to 3 years later and they are living happily ever after in the MId-west? No way. ALIENS clearly did not wrap up the story. It's ending is intended to imply more to come from whereevr.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Politikon on Mar 18, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
Post by: Politikon on Mar 18, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
Could you imagine?
RIPLEY:
Oh about those Marines...turns out there WAS this race of Vicious Aliens and they wiped out that whole colony and all the Marines. We were exposed to them, but managed to escape by the skin of our teeth before that nuclear explosion,except for that one Queen that lays eggs, she followed us onto the Sulaco but we managed to blow her out of the air lock. But hey! As you can see it wasnt OUR Fault! Oh and btw, that Burke guy, he was up to no good and tried to imprenate me with one of those monsters.
Anyway, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Well, I'm gonna get married to this Hicks guy since you guys believe me and don't need me for anything else, oh and I'm gonna adopt this orphaned little girl. Byeee!"
RIPLEY:
Oh about those Marines...turns out there WAS this race of Vicious Aliens and they wiped out that whole colony and all the Marines. We were exposed to them, but managed to escape by the skin of our teeth before that nuclear explosion,except for that one Queen that lays eggs, she followed us onto the Sulaco but we managed to blow her out of the air lock. But hey! As you can see it wasnt OUR Fault! Oh and btw, that Burke guy, he was up to no good and tried to imprenate me with one of those monsters.
Anyway, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Well, I'm gonna get married to this Hicks guy since you guys believe me and don't need me for anything else, oh and I'm gonna adopt this orphaned little girl. Byeee!"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 18, 2010, 01:20:10 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 18, 2010, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: Politikon on Mar 18, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
Could you imagine?
RIPLEY:
Oh about those Marines...turns out there WAS this race of Vicious Aliens and they wiped out that whole colony and all the Marines. We were exposed to them, but managed to escape by the skin of our teeth before that nuclear explosion,except for that one Queen that lays eggs, she followed us onto the Sulaco but we managed to blow her out of the air lock. But hey! As you can see it wasnt OUR Fault! Oh and btw, that Burke guy, he was up to no good and tried to imprenate me with one of those monsters.
Anyway, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Well, I'm gonna get married to this Hicks guy since you guys believe me and don't need me for anything else, oh and I'm gonna adopt this orphaned little girl. Byeee!"
No, but I could imagine Hicks, Ripley, Newt and Bishop all giving nearly the same exact account of events and this becoming a much bigger issue than simply getting the alien as a weapon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 01:20:59 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2010, 01:20:59 AM
QuoteALIENS clearly did not wrap up the story. It's ending is intended to imply more to come from whereevr.
It wrapped up the story to that point. Ripley had faced her demons and overcome them. Obviously there was scope to go in any direction - which they did. But Aliens was intended to be self contained and an end in and of itself. The saga could've easily ended there. No cliffhanger, no loose ends.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 01:25:57 AM
Post by: stephen on Mar 18, 2010, 01:25:57 AM
In alien she saw no one BUT her crew members and the only one that was hostile was Ash and he was an android.
In Aliens she saw a nurse and would have seen doctors and she was working in the cargo bays running loaders etc and there was no indication that anything bad came from that.
At the inquest she stated her case and without any evidence to back up her story they didn't really come down all that hard on her considering 5 people were killed, an android destroyed an m class star freighter destroyed minus payload of course and all when she ADMITS that she was the one that blew it up.
Frankly I think she got off bloody lightly.
Your claims about the "downtrodden" is I think a complete an utter assumption on your part. The only person that showed any ill feeling towards an android was Ripley (i'm not counting the later films as we're strictly discussing the Alien egg on sulaco situation) and explained by her experience with Ash - by the end of Aliens she trusts bishop.
The marines in aliens didn't give too hoots about money and certainly not above all else.
You're comments about the Company not believing RIpley and trying to make her the fall guy is I'm assuming you talking about the Inquest - I think it was very very clear in aliens that the company didn't know anything about the alien (at least those in the inquest) and that Burke was acting ALONE when he sent the coordinates and again when let the facehuggers loose on Ripley and Newt. That I thought was extremely clear.
And of course they didn't trust Ripley, she'd blown up one of their ships.
Going further - Ripley wouldn't give a rats ass after all she'd been through as to whether or not the company were going to be doing anything to her when she got back. Lets also not forget that now the military is involved so they would be coming into the whole thing as well not just the company.
Seriously, Ripley and co have literally just survived the worst thing they could possible have gone through, do you really think they would think about or care what is going to happen to them when they get back - I don't think they would give it a second thought. Given that they now have evidence of what had happened and my statements above about the fact that the company didn't really know and it was only ever small groups in the company that did anything then I think they're pretty safe.
What would I have happen - Wouldn't change a thing simple because I believe Cameron set up the ending perfectly.
He implied that the company knew nothing about the alien, knew nothing about the Nostromo's orders. He showed that Burke was acting alone. Ripley and Co can now be safe in that they now have evidence and no one is going to come down hard on them at all.
And like I said before, thats not the ending that Cameron needed to tell - the ending needed to show that Ripley has survived physically AND mentally from her ordeal.
I think the ending wrapped it up nicely.
In Aliens she saw a nurse and would have seen doctors and she was working in the cargo bays running loaders etc and there was no indication that anything bad came from that.
At the inquest she stated her case and without any evidence to back up her story they didn't really come down all that hard on her considering 5 people were killed, an android destroyed an m class star freighter destroyed minus payload of course and all when she ADMITS that she was the one that blew it up.
Frankly I think she got off bloody lightly.
Your claims about the "downtrodden" is I think a complete an utter assumption on your part. The only person that showed any ill feeling towards an android was Ripley (i'm not counting the later films as we're strictly discussing the Alien egg on sulaco situation) and explained by her experience with Ash - by the end of Aliens she trusts bishop.
The marines in aliens didn't give too hoots about money and certainly not above all else.
You're comments about the Company not believing RIpley and trying to make her the fall guy is I'm assuming you talking about the Inquest - I think it was very very clear in aliens that the company didn't know anything about the alien (at least those in the inquest) and that Burke was acting ALONE when he sent the coordinates and again when let the facehuggers loose on Ripley and Newt. That I thought was extremely clear.
And of course they didn't trust Ripley, she'd blown up one of their ships.
Going further - Ripley wouldn't give a rats ass after all she'd been through as to whether or not the company were going to be doing anything to her when she got back. Lets also not forget that now the military is involved so they would be coming into the whole thing as well not just the company.
Seriously, Ripley and co have literally just survived the worst thing they could possible have gone through, do you really think they would think about or care what is going to happen to them when they get back - I don't think they would give it a second thought. Given that they now have evidence of what had happened and my statements above about the fact that the company didn't really know and it was only ever small groups in the company that did anything then I think they're pretty safe.
What would I have happen - Wouldn't change a thing simple because I believe Cameron set up the ending perfectly.
He implied that the company knew nothing about the alien, knew nothing about the Nostromo's orders. He showed that Burke was acting alone. Ripley and Co can now be safe in that they now have evidence and no one is going to come down hard on them at all.
And like I said before, thats not the ending that Cameron needed to tell - the ending needed to show that Ripley has survived physically AND mentally from her ordeal.
I think the ending wrapped it up nicely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Politikon on Mar 19, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Post by: Politikon on Mar 19, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 18, 2010, 01:20:10 AMQuote from: Politikon on Mar 18, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
Could you imagine?
RIPLEY:
Oh about those Marines...turns out there WAS this race of Vicious Aliens and they wiped out that whole colony and all the Marines. We were exposed to them, but managed to escape by the skin of our teeth before that nuclear explosion,except for that one Queen that lays eggs, she followed us onto the Sulaco but we managed to blow her out of the air lock. But hey! As you can see it wasnt OUR Fault! Oh and btw, that Burke guy, he was up to no good and tried to imprenate me with one of those monsters.
Anyway, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Well, I'm gonna get married to this Hicks guy since you guys believe me and don't need me for anything else, oh and I'm gonna adopt this orphaned little girl. Byeee!"
No, but I could imagine Hicks, Ripley, Newt and Bishop all giving nearly the same exact account of events and this becoming a much bigger issue than simply getting the alien as a weapon.
Right, so in other words, they are still in a heap of shit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 21, 2010, 05:37:03 AM
Post by: DamnBirds on Mar 21, 2010, 05:37:03 AM
One of the mainy reasons why Alien 3 doesn't make sense. Alien / Aliens ... only two that exist in the franchise to me. The rest is just crap.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Mar 21, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Post by: stephen on Mar 21, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: Politikon on Mar 19, 2010, 08:04:37 PMQuote from: OpenMaw on Mar 18, 2010, 01:20:10 AMQuote from: Politikon on Mar 18, 2010, 01:15:38 AM
Could you imagine?
RIPLEY:
Oh about those Marines...turns out there WAS this race of Vicious Aliens and they wiped out that whole colony and all the Marines. We were exposed to them, but managed to escape by the skin of our teeth before that nuclear explosion,except for that one Queen that lays eggs, she followed us onto the Sulaco but we managed to blow her out of the air lock. But hey! As you can see it wasnt OUR Fault! Oh and btw, that Burke guy, he was up to no good and tried to imprenate me with one of those monsters.
Anyway, I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Well, I'm gonna get married to this Hicks guy since you guys believe me and don't need me for anything else, oh and I'm gonna adopt this orphaned little girl. Byeee!"
No, but I could imagine Hicks, Ripley, Newt and Bishop all giving nearly the same exact account of events and this becoming a much bigger issue than simply getting the alien as a weapon.
Right, so in other words, they are still in a heap of shit.
No have you been listening?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 12:42:54 PM
Post by: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 12:42:54 PM
How do you think the egg got on the Sulaco?
well if you ask me i think its up to the viewer to answer that one ?? For exmple where did the eggs come from that kane found in Alien ? Its all part of a plot The queen was angry when ripley burned her eggs so she left one in the sulaco
well if you ask me i think its up to the viewer to answer that one ?? For exmple where did the eggs come from that kane found in Alien ? Its all part of a plot The queen was angry when ripley burned her eggs so she left one in the sulaco
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Mar 22, 2010, 02:31:11 PM
Post by: maledoro on Mar 22, 2010, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 12:42:54 PM"??" So, you're not sure of your statement?
well if you ask me i think its up to the viewer to answer that one ??
Quote from: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 12:42:54 PMThe eggs are part of the plot, but depending on which version of Alien you go by, the origin of the eggs may or may not be part of the plot.
For exmple where did the eggs come from that kane found in Alien ? Its all part of a plot
Quote from: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 12:42:54 PMIt's very unlikely that at the time Ripley was burning the nest that the queen would know that Ripley would be hitching a ride on a ship. I agree with those who theorize that the queen was in the middle of passing an egg when Ripley came to visit.
The queen was angry when ripley burned her eggs so she left one in the sulaco
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 08:30:21 PM
Post by: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 08:30:21 PM
no egg means no alien its simple
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 22, 2010, 08:32:07 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 22, 2010, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 08:30:21 PM
no egg means no alien its simple
Thats a non-answer. Since the question is specifically how, not why. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on Mar 22, 2010, 09:44:06 PM
Post by: maledoro on Mar 22, 2010, 09:44:06 PM
Quote from: coolshow on Mar 22, 2010, 08:30:21 PMI know that; I already addressed that. But knowing where the eggs came from has nothing to do with the plot, which deals with the survival of the Nostromo's crew. The origin of the eggs has nothing to do with the outcome of the story.
no egg means no alien its simple
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: coolshow on Mar 23, 2010, 01:56:04 PM
Post by: coolshow on Mar 23, 2010, 01:56:04 PM
How did the fire start ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 23, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 23, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
Quote from: coolshow on Mar 23, 2010, 01:56:04 PM
How did the fire start ?
Acid sparked an electrical fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 23, 2010, 09:51:43 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 23, 2010, 09:51:43 PM
^ Cracked crytoube = cut hugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Basher917 on May 18, 2010, 01:13:32 AM
Post by: Basher917 on May 18, 2010, 01:13:32 AM
(from what I've read and seen in aliens and alien 3, this is what i can infer, please, if needed, correct me with any interviews, quotes from Cameron, etc. ) basically, James was never suspecting an alien 3. he probably thought there were to many questions left to be answered in the ending of Alien, so he came up with the idea of a sequel, to tell you what happened to Ripley and the rest of the eggs on the space-jockey's ship. so he made Aliens, now were is evidence? It's in the movie it self, at the end of the film, the quote of Ripley and newt made, before going to cryo sleep makes it almost impossible for anyone to think there would be a 3rd instalment in the series story wise, due to holywood and the public demand for another installment (as allways) hence fourth came the goddamn attempt to resurrect the series with alien 3, witch makes people hate the movie for it's confusing begging, but it has a good middle and end witch makes it so underrated. (this is my opinion, so don't go criticizing me like I'm completely wrong about everything in life.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 01:29:38 AM
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 01:29:38 AM
Cameron was pretty sure at the time they would make another sequel, only that someone else would be doing it and not him. He only had to make his story self contained.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Basher917 on May 18, 2010, 01:51:49 AM
Post by: Basher917 on May 18, 2010, 01:51:49 AM
yes, as I've been corrected on that, strangely, as an alien fan i can't seem to find an aliens DVD disc at the right time (not having money when i find one) or interviews on the internet about him thinking about the sequel, but then again, I'm sometimes inpatient ( my computer has some probs with internet for some reason and is sometimes as slow as hell). I also need to correct my post, how he made it hard to have an egg on the ship for a sequel,( he didn't know how anyone else could make the sequel, as you said SM, he would not know who would direct it), and so he never took the time to have more possible ways for a sequel. So, as i say again, the dierectors made a goddamn confusing beginning, not even giving a hint how it got there. ( other than the alien queen on the ship, this is a reason why Alien 3 isn't up with predator on my favorite Alien/Predator movie list.) Therefore, that is how this big question is made. ( this topic is a little similar to why "Kane's son" in Alien didn't turn into a queen, due to how each movie new ideas are made.) as i say again, this is my opinion, please do not criticize it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 02:20:56 AM
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 02:20:56 AM
It wasn't so much that "he didn't know how anyone else could make the sequel" it was just that he wasn't really interested. The third film could've and did go in a number of directions before finally ending up on screen. There was no grand plan and Cameron wasn't required to set anything up for another film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: alienfan95610 on May 18, 2010, 02:25:43 AM
Post by: alienfan95610 on May 18, 2010, 02:25:43 AM
ahhhh...the endless "How DID that egg get on the Sulaco?" question....
Lots of interesting ideas..some better than others..but, for me, it still boils down to cheap, horrible writing on the part of the script writers. They needed an egg to be there to have a film, so they put one there with no care or thought to how it could have gotten there. A slap in our faces as fans really.....
But, carry on with the theories...I do find them enjoyable :)
Lots of interesting ideas..some better than others..but, for me, it still boils down to cheap, horrible writing on the part of the script writers. They needed an egg to be there to have a film, so they put one there with no care or thought to how it could have gotten there. A slap in our faces as fans really.....
But, carry on with the theories...I do find them enjoyable :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Basher917 on May 18, 2010, 02:28:56 AM
Post by: Basher917 on May 18, 2010, 02:28:56 AM
Quote from: scorpio95628 on May 18, 2010, 02:25:43 AM
ahhhh...the endless "How DID that egg get on the Sulaco?" question....
Lots of interesting ideas..some better than others..but, for me, it still boils down to cheap, horrible writing on the part of the script writers. They needed an egg to be there to have a film, so they put one there with no care or thought to how it could have gotten there. A slap in our faces as fans really.....
But, carry on with the theories...I do find them enjoyable :)
Yep, i agree with you, that's how holywood is with hit movie sagas, and trying to earn some quick cash by making sequels that are not needed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 02:29:46 AM
Post by: SM on May 18, 2010, 02:29:46 AM
It's not Hollywod as such - it's lazy writing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on May 20, 2010, 01:54:40 AM
Post by: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on May 20, 2010, 01:54:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 17, 2010, 10:10:17 PMQuoteIt's not in keeping with the mythology of the films in anyway to assume that anyone back home has any intention of not ruining her.
How was she ruined the first time precisely? Based on the evidence at hand, they revoked her flight status. And then reinstated it shortly after when she agreed to go back. If they were intent on ruining here they weren't terribly good at it.QuoteThe company/ the military/ every single human she encounters is corrupt.
Eh? I'll grant you Burke. Ash had no choice. But the Nostromo crew and all the marines were corrupt? You have watched these films right?
lol I have been thinking the same thing.
Quote from: Politikon on Mar 17, 2010, 03:37:28 AM
The disaster I speak of is what they were returning to back home. An absolute mess. Just like Ripley returning after ALIEN, only worse.
Think about it. They just blew up a colony of Terraformers after surviving an ALien attack that killed numberous Marines. Thats not even to mention the Company or what the MIlitary would do to them...They are walking into an all around disaster.
They blew up a colony of terraformers?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
Post by: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
As much as I would like a reason for it being there it really is just down to bad writing.
As for the one egg somehow getting 2 people impregnated, thats a plot hole for me as well.
The only way to logically get an egg at the end of Aliens would be to go back down the planet, find the derelict and pick one up- all of which would have taken up too much screen time and explanation, so they just planted one there - we the audience were never meant to question where it came from.
As for the one egg somehow getting 2 people impregnated, thats a plot hole for me as well.
The only way to logically get an egg at the end of Aliens would be to go back down the planet, find the derelict and pick one up- all of which would have taken up too much screen time and explanation, so they just planted one there - we the audience were never meant to question where it came from.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Basher917 on May 24, 2010, 11:28:50 AM
Post by: Basher917 on May 24, 2010, 11:28:50 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
The only way to logically get an egg at the end of Aliens would be to go back down the planet, find the derelict and pick one up- all of which would have taken up too much screen time and explanation,
umm tht doesn't make much sence, the aliens in the colony were from derilect, Weyland yutani sent the colonists to go search the derilict, they got face hugged, the the aliens brought the remaining eggs to the colony. unless your suggesting there were eggs remaining somehow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 01:20:24 PM
Post by: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 01:20:24 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on May 24, 2010, 11:28:50 AMQuote from: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
The only way to logically get an egg at the end of Aliens would be to go back down the planet, find the derelict and pick one up- all of which would have taken up too much screen time and explanation,
umm tht doesn't make much sence, the aliens in the colony were from derilect, Weyland yutani sent the colonists to go search the derilict, they got face hugged, the the aliens brought the remaining eggs to the colony. unless your suggesting there were eggs remaining somehow.
Yeah there were thousands in the derelict, I don't think the colonists took that many of them.
The eggs in the colony would have been destroyed when the place blew up, so the only place an egg could have come from was the derelict.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on May 24, 2010, 05:08:55 PM
Post by: maledoro on May 24, 2010, 05:08:55 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 10:41:59 AMThere were other explanations in this thread that were far more plausible than that.
The only way to logically get an egg at the end of Aliens would be to go back down the planet, find the derelict and pick one up
Quote from: Basher917 on May 24, 2010, 11:28:50 AMWould it be considered a spoiler if I reveal a gigantic plot element from a movie that was released almost 24 years ago?
the aliens in the colony were from derilect, Weyland yutani sent the colonists to go search the derilict, they got face hugged, the the aliens brought the remaining eggs to the colony.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 07:09:53 PM
Post by: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: maledoro on May 24, 2010, 05:08:55 PMQuote from: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 10:41:59 AMThere were other explanations in this thread that were far more plausible than that.
The only way to logically get an egg at the end of Aliens would be to go back down the planet, find the derelict and pick one upQuote from: Basher917 on May 24, 2010, 11:28:50 AMWould it be considered a spoiler if I reveal a gigantic plot element from a movie that was released almost 24 years ago?
the aliens in the colony were from derilect, Weyland yutani sent the colonists to go search the derilict, they got face hugged, the the aliens brought the remaining eggs to the colony.
You missed my point, I was saying that is the only logical way to get an egg, not how there was one in A3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on May 24, 2010, 07:12:56 PM
Post by: maledoro on May 24, 2010, 07:12:56 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 24, 2010, 07:09:53 PMAnd then do what with that egg? I mean in a narrative sense (e.g., put it on the Sulaco, or some other event within the films).
You missed my point, I was saying that is the only logical way to get an egg, not how there was one in A3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 24, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
Post by: SM on May 24, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
QuoteThe only way to logically get an egg at the end of Aliens would be to go back down the planet, find the derelict and pick one up- all of which would have taken up too much screen time and explanation, so they just planted one there - we the audience were never meant to question where it came from.
How is that logical?
There was a Queen on the Sulaco. Eggs come from Queens. Ipso facto.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AM
Post by: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AM
Going with Aliens as cannon:
From when the Queen emerges from the landing leg, we don't ever loose track of her, she does not lay an egg on the ceiling near the cryo tubes somewhere.
If you accept this as fact (which I do) then the only other place that eggs still exist is the Derelict.
Now I'm not saying this is where the Egg in Alien 3 is from.
I'm saying that when faced with this situation the film makers rather than make some plot involving the derelict wanted to go in a different direction and therefore were forced to put in an egg without a logical explanation.
This is my opinion :-)
From when the Queen emerges from the landing leg, we don't ever loose track of her, she does not lay an egg on the ceiling near the cryo tubes somewhere.
If you accept this as fact (which I do) then the only other place that eggs still exist is the Derelict.
Now I'm not saying this is where the Egg in Alien 3 is from.
I'm saying that when faced with this situation the film makers rather than make some plot involving the derelict wanted to go in a different direction and therefore were forced to put in an egg without a logical explanation.
This is my opinion :-)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: alienfan95610 on May 25, 2010, 10:20:22 AM
Post by: alienfan95610 on May 25, 2010, 10:20:22 AM
The problem is...I don't believe the writers thought about it period. If they had, it would have been fairly simple to show us a quick shot of the dropship landing gear with an egg there. That shot alone would have told us it was the queen, that she had laid it on the flight up to the Sulaco, and that the facehugger that came from it is the one in Alien 3. Mystery pretty much solved.
But since none of that happened....the egg got there via crappy writing.
But since none of that happened....the egg got there via crappy writing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maledoro on May 25, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
Post by: maledoro on May 25, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AMWe don't know that the egg is anywhere near the cryotubes. But then, this has been mentioned before.
From when the Queen emerges from the landing leg, we don't ever loose track of her, she does not lay an egg on the ceiling near the cryo tubes somewhere.
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AMIf the derelict still exists. This, too, has been brought up before.
If you accept this as fact (which I do) then the only other place that eggs still exist is the Derelict.
Quote from: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AMUsing this wonderful thing called "context", we can figure that the queen had somehow laid an egg on the Sulaco.
I'm saying that when faced with this situation the film makers rather than make some plot involving the derelict wanted to go in a different direction and therefore were forced to put in an egg without a logical explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 25, 2010, 11:24:03 PM
Post by: SM on May 25, 2010, 11:24:03 PM
QuoteIf you accept this as fact (which I do) then the only other place that eggs still exist is the Derelict.
I don't.
'Cos a) the Queen could've brought an egg with her, b) or could've laid one en route and c) the Derelict is no more.
QuoteBut then, this has been mentioned before.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jorko_Beliata on May 26, 2010, 05:04:58 AM
Post by: Jorko_Beliata on May 26, 2010, 05:04:58 AM
Weeeell, that's a long one.
To be honest, always thought they put the egg in Sulaco just because they needed to make one more movie? ;D ;D ;D
To be honest, always thought they put the egg in Sulaco just because they needed to make one more movie? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sgt. Apone on May 08, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
Post by: Sgt. Apone on May 08, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: maledoro on May 25, 2010, 01:59:29 PMQuote from: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AMWe don't know that the egg is anywhere near the cryotubes. But then, this has been mentioned before.
From when the Queen emerges from the landing leg, we don't ever loose track of her, she does not lay an egg on the ceiling near the cryo tubes somewhere.Quote from: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AMIf the derelict still exists. This, too, has been brought up before.
If you accept this as fact (which I do) then the only other place that eggs still exist is the Derelict.Quote from: Xenoscream on May 25, 2010, 09:36:06 AMUsing this wonderful thing called "context", we can figure that the queen had somehow laid an egg on the Sulaco.
I'm saying that when faced with this situation the film makers rather than make some plot involving the derelict wanted to go in a different direction and therefore were forced to put in an egg without a logical explanation.
At the end of Aliens, we hear a facehugger crawling around. Maybe it hitched a ride on the drop ship with the queen. Then, it moved the egg that the queen laid closer to the cryotubes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 08, 2011, 11:10:38 PM
Post by: SM on May 08, 2011, 11:10:38 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on May 08, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on May 08, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
The facehugger sound was nothing but a joke that James Cameron did as a sorta, "final jump" scare for the viewers.
Facehuggers carrying eggs? :-\
Facehuggers carrying eggs? :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 12:26:01 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 12:26:01 AM
As much as I like Alien 3, this is a pretty glaring continuity error.
Did the Queen carry an egg or two with her after Ripley blew the rest up or lay an emergency egg as is the general theory?
I wish an explanation was given or at least suggested by one of the characters.
I always thought there was two facehuggers as opposed to one. One with the Queen and the other with the runner.
The emergancy eggs theory seems plausible enough.
Did the Queen carry an egg or two with her after Ripley blew the rest up or lay an emergency egg as is the general theory?
I wish an explanation was given or at least suggested by one of the characters.
I always thought there was two facehuggers as opposed to one. One with the Queen and the other with the runner.
The emergancy eggs theory seems plausible enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sgt. Apone on May 09, 2011, 02:09:12 AM
Post by: Sgt. Apone on May 09, 2011, 02:09:12 AM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on May 08, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
The facehugger sound was nothing but a joke that James Cameron did as a sorta, "final jump" scare for the viewers.
Facehuggers carrying eggs? :-\
I got the theory from someone at Alienexperience.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on May 09, 2011, 02:11:18 AM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on May 09, 2011, 02:11:18 AM
;). I personally prefer the tentacle walking egg theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 09, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
Post by: SM on May 09, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
Can't think of a reason for a hugger to move an egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on May 09, 2011, 12:23:27 PM
Post by: PsyKore on May 09, 2011, 12:23:27 PM
I've sort of accepted that the Queen brought an egg with her and stuck it to the wall while no-one was looking. It still doesn't sound right but it's the most plausible.
Why they didn't just have a stray facehugger without showing an egg at the beginning of A3 - which would've made more sense - is beyond me...
Why they didn't just have a stray facehugger without showing an egg at the beginning of A3 - which would've made more sense - is beyond me...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 09, 2011, 05:01:49 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 09, 2011, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: Sgt. Apone on May 08, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
At the end of Aliens, we hear a facehugger crawling around. Maybe it hitched a ride on the drop ship with the queen. Then, it moved the egg that the queen laid closer to the cryotubes.
Couple of problems with that. First of all, after finding out that the Queen managed to sneak in the dropship and into the Sulaco, theres no possible way Bishop and Ripley wouldnt scan and search every inch of he dropship and the Sulaco for any more aliens onboard. Secondly, the facehugger still couldnt possibly know where the cryoroom is and even more so, open the doors to it (and the cryoroom was on a different level as far as I know, so it would also have to use elevator). Also, it makes no sense for a facehugger to move eggs instead of impregnating by himself, also it doesnt make sense to wait 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
Cut out that one half second shot of the egg and the problem is solved. Everyone would just say the facehuggers hitched a ride on the Queen and his in the dropship. Kind of weird how that works.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 09, 2011, 09:36:20 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 09, 2011, 09:36:20 PM
Still, the bioscans would detect it and Ripley and Bishop would sure make a thorough check for any more unwanted passengers. And why didnt it attack any of the crew members right away, why did it wait 2 weeks and how did it got to the cryo chamber
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 09:43:29 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 09:43:29 PM
Poor scripting.
As much as I like Alien 3, it was way too rushed. I know that it was in development for a while but when you start shooting before your script is finished, things won't go very well.
You do that, you will wind up with lots of plot holes
...unless you are Francis Ford Coppola.
As much as I like Alien 3, it was way too rushed. I know that it was in development for a while but when you start shooting before your script is finished, things won't go very well.
You do that, you will wind up with lots of plot holes
...unless you are Francis Ford Coppola.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 09, 2011, 09:54:42 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 09, 2011, 09:54:42 PM
I absolutely understand, Im just saying that theres really no plausible theory as of yet to cover that hole up
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 10:02:03 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 09, 2011, 10:02:03 PM
Not saying there is.
This glaring error is very frustrating. I like the film, always have even before I was a hardcore fan of the series.
It gives the people who hate it ammunition. It gives the people who love it something they wished could be improved upon. It gives the people who worked on it a bad rap as being lazy.
A friend once told me that if the positions of Alien 3 and Aliens had been switched, with Ripley escaping from Fury 161 and making it back to Earth before living out the events of Aliens, the series would have worked better.
I wonder sometimes.
This glaring error is very frustrating. I like the film, always have even before I was a hardcore fan of the series.
It gives the people who hate it ammunition. It gives the people who love it something they wished could be improved upon. It gives the people who worked on it a bad rap as being lazy.
A friend once told me that if the positions of Alien 3 and Aliens had been switched, with Ripley escaping from Fury 161 and making it back to Earth before living out the events of Aliens, the series would have worked better.
I wonder sometimes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sgt. Apone on May 09, 2011, 10:37:25 PM
Post by: Sgt. Apone on May 09, 2011, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 09, 2011, 05:01:49 PMQuote from: Sgt. Apone on May 08, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
At the end of Aliens, we hear a facehugger crawling around. Maybe it hitched a ride on the drop ship with the queen. Then, it moved the egg that the queen laid closer to the cryotubes.
Couple of problems with that. First of all, after finding out that the Queen managed to sneak in the dropship and into the Sulaco, theres no possible way Bishop and Ripley wouldnt scan and search every inch of he dropship and the Sulaco for any more aliens onboard. Secondly, the facehugger still couldnt possibly know where the cryoroom is and even more so, open the doors to it (and the cryoroom was on a different level as far as I know, so it would also have to use elevator). Also, it makes no sense for a facehugger to move eggs instead of impregnating by himself, also it doesnt make sense to wait 2 weeks.
As I said, I'm repeating this theory I heard. I dn't really believe it myself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Michael Harper on May 09, 2011, 11:33:20 PM
Post by: Michael Harper on May 09, 2011, 11:33:20 PM
I just prefer to see Aliens as the end. I watched Alien 3 when I got the Blu-Ray anthology set for the first time in years. Whilst I think Alien 3 is not a bad film by no means, that big plot hole of the egg was always the huge turn off for me about that film.
So, I like to just believe that Aliens was the conclusion.
So, I like to just believe that Aliens was the conclusion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pn2501 on May 09, 2011, 11:54:42 PM
Post by: Pn2501 on May 09, 2011, 11:54:42 PM
I don't discount alien3 because of it, it wax a plot device and I accept it, just as ripley floating for 57 years and the company, (and or the operatives who sent Order 937) colonists, and surveyors not finding the derelict in the above mentioned 57 years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Michael Harper on May 09, 2011, 11:55:49 PM
Post by: Michael Harper on May 09, 2011, 11:55:49 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on May 09, 2011, 11:54:42 PM
I don't discount alien3 because of it, it wax a plot device and I accept it, just as ripley floating for 57 years and the company, (and or the operatives who sent Order 937) colonists, and surveyors not finding the derelict in the above mentioned 57 years.
Good point about the "surveyors not finding the derelict in the above mentioned 57 years."
haha :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pn2501 on May 09, 2011, 11:57:35 PM
Post by: Pn2501 on May 09, 2011, 11:57:35 PM
Don't worry the cameron apologists will be here soon. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Michael Harper on May 09, 2011, 11:58:09 PM
Post by: Michael Harper on May 09, 2011, 11:58:09 PM
Quote from: Pn2501 on May 09, 2011, 11:57:35 PM
Don't worry the cameron apologists will be here soon. ;)
Haha :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 09, 2011, 11:59:53 PM
Post by: SM on May 09, 2011, 11:59:53 PM
QuoteSecondly, the facehugger still couldnt possibly know where the cryoroom is and even more so, open the doors to it (and the cryoroom was on a different level as far as I know, so it would also have to use elevator).
Fairly sure all the areas we see on the Sulaco are on the one level - and even if they're not - a hugger suddenly can't climb?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 12:12:06 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: SM on May 09, 2011, 11:59:53 PMQuoteSecondly, the facehugger still couldnt possibly know where the cryoroom is and even more so, open the doors to it (and the cryoroom was on a different level as far as I know, so it would also have to use elevator).
Fairly sure all the areas we see on the Sulaco are on the one level - and even if they're not - a hugger suddenly can't climb?
I think its safe to say cry chamber has doors and it would be a stretch to suggest a facehugger know how to open electronic doors which btw probably arent even powered during hypersleep
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pn2501 on May 10, 2011, 12:14:23 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on May 10, 2011, 12:14:23 AM
Being a military ship It would have contingencies to stop the crew getting compromised whilst asleep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 12:19:05 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: Pn2501 on May 10, 2011, 12:14:23 AM
Being a military ship It would have contingencies to stop the crew getting compromised whilst asleep.
But the energy has to be conserved. For example the novelization talks about Narcissus conserving energy by powering only crucial elements. Even the doors werent powered. That would most likely be the case with Sulaco. And of course, powered or not, we're talking about a giant ship with multiple levels, elevators and doors with electronic doorlocks. To say a facehugger would just go around the ship opening doors is stretching it iof you ask me, but if someone finds it plausible, good for him
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pn2501 on May 10, 2011, 12:21:01 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on May 10, 2011, 12:21:01 AM
The narcissus was an escape pod that makes sense to conserve energy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 10, 2011, 12:27:53 AM
Post by: SM on May 10, 2011, 12:27:53 AM
QuoteI think its safe to say cry chamber has doors and it would be a stretch to suggest a facehugger know how to open electronic doors which btw probably arent even powered during hypersleep
The cryotubes, lockers and galley were all one big room.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 12:47:41 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 12:47:41 AM
Quote from: SM on May 10, 2011, 12:27:53 AMQuoteI think its safe to say cry chamber has doors and it would be a stretch to suggest a facehugger know how to open electronic doors which btw probably arent even powered during hypersleep
The cryotubes, lockers and galley were all one big room.
And you tihnk this room wouldnt have ANY doors being out in the open or an extension/part of the docking bay? All rooms on Sulaco were big, so was the mess hall, and so the doors are big, as weve seen on Sulaco in the docking bay. The point is facehugger had to have used plenty of doors and maybe even elevators in a ship which is in sleep mode to get what it was
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 10, 2011, 12:51:06 AM
Post by: SM on May 10, 2011, 12:51:06 AM
QuoteAnd you tihnk this room wouldnt have ANY doors being out in the open or an extension/part of the docking bay?
Don't know without checking the film again.
QuoteThe point is facehugger had to have used plenty of doors and maybe even elevators in a ship which is in sleep mode to get what it was
Because of course Aliens really hate ducts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 01:01:21 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 10, 2011, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: SM on May 10, 2011, 12:51:06 AMQuoteAnd you tihnk this room wouldnt have ANY doors being out in the open or an extension/part of the docking bay?
Don't know without checking the film again.
Im talkin about the big hangar doors which Ripley closed
QuoteQuoteThe point is facehugger had to have used plenty of doors and maybe even elevators in a ship which is in sleep mode to get what it was
Because of course Aliens really hate ducts.
Fair point
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 10, 2011, 01:05:19 AM
Post by: SM on May 10, 2011, 01:05:19 AM
QuoteIm talkin about the big hangar doors which Ripley closed
The ones that lead to the storage bay? Doubt they lead anywhere else.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: keylight-di on May 10, 2011, 09:38:49 AM
Post by: keylight-di on May 10, 2011, 09:38:49 AM
But... Can't we leave it without explanations? I always liked it like this. Mysterious thing. Destination... Like in Greek tragedy, no matter what you do, no matter how much are you trying to escape this, to avoid it - it reaches you, keeping you in cold grip. Because it's the worst nightmare, and nightmares don't need explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on May 10, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on May 10, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
The Alien isn't literally a nightmare. It's a very scary physical being with physical limitations. That's why it's scary, because we can invest in it as a real danger before the credits roll. It's not a ghost, and the egg on the Sulaco continues to be the most barefaced nonsensical and unbelievable plot device in the series.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: keylight-di on May 10, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
Post by: keylight-di on May 10, 2011, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on May 10, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
The Alien isn't literally a nightmare. It's a very scary physical being with physical limitations. That's why it's scary, because we can invest in it as a real danger before the credits roll. It's not a ghost, and the egg on the Sulaco continues to be the most barefaced nonsensical and unbelievable plot device in the series.
I guess, you get me wrong... I know that Alien it's Alien, creature with acid blood etc., etc... So I didn't think about things like some dumb magic, no.. please.... :( But we seriously can't have explanations for many questions. Like why they can climb walls (what about gravitation? ;) ), what they eat (if they eat), how is possible to use DNA by species based on silicon etc., etc. again. We can make many discussions in many threads about subject like this, but we simply have no knowledge about it, no tips.
Because they are in fact fictional characters and they are created for some reasons.
They behave like directors wanted, they look like directors wanted. We have to agree for it. Or not.
But on the other hand, as fictional characters they have double meaning. If spectator watches Alien movie like horror, he/she can find dangerous, not understandable creature.
But if you look for deeper meaning in these movies (I know that you know what I'm talking about, the whole sexual, almost Freudish meaning and other meanings also), you can find it there too. For me personally Alien Saga never was horror movie, maybe when I watched Alien the very first time, as a child. These movies are deeper, with many levels of meaning. Depending on the knowledge that you have - you can find there more and more.
So for me every movie it's the story about destiny, fear, and helplessness in the face of the inevitable. This is why I used comparison to Greek tragedy. As metaphor.
This is why I don't need explanations for some question.
And I never forget about other meanings also. There are too many levels to describe them here, not right place and you know about it as well. But these movies aren't only about scary physical being IMHO.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on May 10, 2011, 06:44:34 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on May 10, 2011, 06:44:34 PM
Sure, but I don't think that defying the laws of time and space with magical teleporting eggs makes the Aliens any more of a credible threat. That egg didn't get there through some mysterious biological ability, it got there because the filmmakers said it had to be there and hoped people wouldn't think about it.
When I watch Alien3 my suspension of disbelief gets shattered in the opening credits - if you can roll with it as fantasy, I'm happy for you, but it still goes completely against the rules established in the first two films.
When I watch Alien3 my suspension of disbelief gets shattered in the opening credits - if you can roll with it as fantasy, I'm happy for you, but it still goes completely against the rules established in the first two films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: keylight-di on May 10, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
Post by: keylight-di on May 10, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
I understand. And even for a moment I didn't think about any "magical teleporting". Only about thing we can't explain. Like why gravity is afraid of Aliens... ;)
I just don't want to be next predxeno, using logical thinking and canon everywhere. I'm biologist and I would want explanations about genetics and physiology of Xenomorphs, but I know very well, that's simply impossible. But no matter, I try to do it sometimes. :)
Maybe sometimes we should just enjoy of movie...? It's only my, very subjective POV, I don't want to force anyone to do this same. I love A3 and I have no problem with any lack of logic.
I just don't want to be next predxeno, using logical thinking and canon everywhere. I'm biologist and I would want explanations about genetics and physiology of Xenomorphs, but I know very well, that's simply impossible. But no matter, I try to do it sometimes. :)
Maybe sometimes we should just enjoy of movie...? It's only my, very subjective POV, I don't want to force anyone to do this same. I love A3 and I have no problem with any lack of logic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 11, 2011, 02:15:27 AM
Post by: SM on May 11, 2011, 02:15:27 AM
It can be difficult to enjoy a film when the film is doing it's best to make you not enjoy it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:19:26 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:19:26 AM
Shoulda went with the Gibson script...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 02:23:06 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 02:23:06 AM
Was that the one with the wodden planet of monks or another script I am unaware of?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on May 11, 2011, 02:27:16 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on May 11, 2011, 02:27:16 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:19:26 AM
Shoulda went with the Gibson script...
if only they had known
Quote from: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 02:23:06 AMNah, it shifted the focus to Hicks and Bishop and took place on a pair of space stations. There was a lot of unfortunate gene-splicing stuff, and the Soviet vs US in space element dated it some, but I liked where it took the characters. I still think it should have been revised beyond a first draft.
Was that the one with the wodden planet of monks or another script I am unaware of?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:27:50 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:27:50 AM
Quote from: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 02:23:06 AMThat was the Vincent Ward/John Fasano script.
Was that the one with the wodden planet of monks or another script I am unaware of?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pn2501 on May 11, 2011, 02:29:11 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on May 11, 2011, 02:29:11 AM
I like Gibson bu that script was terrible, out of all the scripts the one we got was the least offensive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 02:31:03 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 02:31:03 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on May 11, 2011, 02:27:16 AMMuy interesante.Quote from: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 02:23:06 AMNah, it shifted the focus to Hicks and Bishop and took place on a pair of space stations. There was a lot of unfortunate gene-splicing stuff, and the Soviet vs US in space element dated it some, but I liked where it took the characters. I still think it should have been revised beyond a first draft.
Was that the one with the wodden planet of monks or another script I am unaware of?
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:27:50 AMOnly other script I am aware of. All I know is from the Quadrilogy set. Don't do a lot of surfing from near cannon and don't have the Blue Ray set yet.
That was the Vincent Ward/John Fasano script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:34:19 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 02:34:19 AM
For future reading:
http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/Alien3.txt (http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/Alien3.txt)
Personally, it's my favorite of the bunch.
http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/Alien3.txt (http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/Alien3.txt)
Personally, it's my favorite of the bunch.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 11, 2011, 02:49:40 AM
Post by: SM on May 11, 2011, 02:49:40 AM
QuoteOnly other script I am aware of. All I know is from the Quadrilogy set. Don't do a lot of surfing from near cannon and don't have the Blue Ray set yet.
There's also the Twohy and Red script.
Red's is easily the worst.
Gibson's Anchorpoint script has lots of lameness too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: keylight-di on May 11, 2011, 07:33:13 AM
Post by: keylight-di on May 11, 2011, 07:33:13 AM
Okay... I get it... The point of all of you. I guess, I shouldn't even try.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pn2501 on May 11, 2011, 07:37:39 AM
Post by: Pn2501 on May 11, 2011, 07:37:39 AM
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 02:49:40 AMQuoteOnly other script I am aware of. All I know is from the Quadrilogy set. Don't do a lot of surfing from near cannon and don't have the Blue Ray set yet.
There's also the Twohy and Red script.
Red's is easily the worst.
Gibson's Anchorpoint script has lots of lameness too.
Reds script bears a similarity to a Brothers Strause movie we all love to hate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 12:33:15 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 12:33:15 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on May 11, 2011, 07:33:13 AMI like Alien 3 too.
Okay... I get it... The point of all of you. I guess, I shouldn't even try.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: keylight-di on May 11, 2011, 12:56:23 PM
Post by: keylight-di on May 11, 2011, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: TheMonolith on May 11, 2011, 12:33:15 PMQuote from: keylight-di on May 11, 2011, 07:33:13 AMI like Alien 3 too.
Okay... I get it... The point of all of you. I guess, I shouldn't even try.
http://local-static0.forum-files.fobby.net/forum_attachments/0018/8630/i_was_frozen_today.PNG
Good to know. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bov930527 on May 11, 2011, 04:29:51 PM
Post by: bov930527 on May 11, 2011, 04:29:51 PM
Well... I am going to try and put some logic and solve the unsolvable.
First off, the real (as in "real life") reason to why the egg got on that ship is bad script writing combined with lust for money to make an unnacessary sequel.
Now, the following is PURELY fan fiction (since I have not read the novelization nor comics).
a) Burke knew coordinates of the derelict, meaning he knew exactly where the eggs were (which is clearly shown when Ripley occuses him of sending colonists to find it).
How much time passes between that marines arrive to the colony and Hudson finding colonists? Or put it this way, how much time passes between Ripley finds Newt and Hudson locates colonists on the map? Simple as it is: we do not know. It may have been an hour, but for all that is shown in the movie, it could be 48 hours (that is a bit overexaggerated, but you get my point). The flight time that Bishop mentions from Sulaco to the colony is approximately 35 minutes (I do not know if that is exact because I do not remember all his lines in the film out of the top of my head).
Meaning, that Burke would need about an hour and a half to go to the derelict, pick up eggs, fly the first dropship (remember now, it is not destroyed yet!), get back and return to Operations as if nothing had happen. We continue with this hypothesis and try to clear out the blanks to make it a plausible theory.
b) Burke could most likely not do all those things himself, he would most probably need help. But who says that for example if he would come to Spunkmeyer and Drake and sad "Hey guys, wanna earn couple of billion dollars? It is easy, we go to this place, we pick up an egg, transport it to Sulaco, leave it there unnoticed. When we get back to Earth we will share the money, just us 3. And the best part of all, no one gets hurt.", who says that they would react in the same way as Ripley did and turn him down. I would most likely think a couple of guys like them would answer "Sure, why not." Especially since they do not know what threat xenomorphs possess due to the fact that they have not even encountered them yet.
So they all go to the derelict, they manage to pick up one or a couple of eggs (depending on wether you believe in "twin" theory of one egg been able to hold two facehuggers) and lets just think they are skilled enough to prevent accidents and do not awake any other eggs. They put it/them in a bag (or whatever) and they tie it up very hard so that even if the egg(s) open the facehugger(s) wont be able to get out of the bag. They then transport this cargo to Sulaco, safely, no rush (as Hudson is still looking for survivors in Operations).
c) When they are on the ship Burke says to the others to wait on the dropship while he transports the eggs and hides it somewhere on the ship. For some reason he chooses to attach it/them to a wall somewhere near cryotubes in a 45 degree angle and somehow succeeds doing so. At this point the egg is still in a bag so that even if a facehugger gets out it possesses no threat. But the minute Burke gets out the surface of the egg somehow "eats" through the part of the egg between the wall and the egg itself, perhaps by realising a weak acid that also works as glue. The bag then slips off of the egg while the egg remains on the wall (due to the glue effect of the acid). He then returns to the dropship that flies them back to the colony. He reprograms Sulaco to not show any signs of the egg been omboard, hence why ripley did not knew about it in the end.
After encountering xenomorphs marines understand what dangerous species these are and would no longer support the transport of an alien egg back to Earth even for the money. The only problem is that the marines that knew of an alien been omboard the Sulaco die during the first battle. So only Burke knows...
d) After understanding the physiology of xenomorphs Burke realizes that it would save a whole lot to not need to find a body for the facehugger to jump on back on Earth. So he decides to try and make Ripley and Newt impregnated. He fails, miserably...
...
This is pretty much the only true logical explanation I can see that does not contradict movie in any direct way. I know this assumption is not flawless and needs improvement, but it makes some sense to me.
First off, the real (as in "real life") reason to why the egg got on that ship is bad script writing combined with lust for money to make an unnacessary sequel.
Now, the following is PURELY fan fiction (since I have not read the novelization nor comics).
a) Burke knew coordinates of the derelict, meaning he knew exactly where the eggs were (which is clearly shown when Ripley occuses him of sending colonists to find it).
How much time passes between that marines arrive to the colony and Hudson finding colonists? Or put it this way, how much time passes between Ripley finds Newt and Hudson locates colonists on the map? Simple as it is: we do not know. It may have been an hour, but for all that is shown in the movie, it could be 48 hours (that is a bit overexaggerated, but you get my point). The flight time that Bishop mentions from Sulaco to the colony is approximately 35 minutes (I do not know if that is exact because I do not remember all his lines in the film out of the top of my head).
Meaning, that Burke would need about an hour and a half to go to the derelict, pick up eggs, fly the first dropship (remember now, it is not destroyed yet!), get back and return to Operations as if nothing had happen. We continue with this hypothesis and try to clear out the blanks to make it a plausible theory.
b) Burke could most likely not do all those things himself, he would most probably need help. But who says that for example if he would come to Spunkmeyer and Drake and sad "Hey guys, wanna earn couple of billion dollars? It is easy, we go to this place, we pick up an egg, transport it to Sulaco, leave it there unnoticed. When we get back to Earth we will share the money, just us 3. And the best part of all, no one gets hurt.", who says that they would react in the same way as Ripley did and turn him down. I would most likely think a couple of guys like them would answer "Sure, why not." Especially since they do not know what threat xenomorphs possess due to the fact that they have not even encountered them yet.
So they all go to the derelict, they manage to pick up one or a couple of eggs (depending on wether you believe in "twin" theory of one egg been able to hold two facehuggers) and lets just think they are skilled enough to prevent accidents and do not awake any other eggs. They put it/them in a bag (or whatever) and they tie it up very hard so that even if the egg(s) open the facehugger(s) wont be able to get out of the bag. They then transport this cargo to Sulaco, safely, no rush (as Hudson is still looking for survivors in Operations).
c) When they are on the ship Burke says to the others to wait on the dropship while he transports the eggs and hides it somewhere on the ship. For some reason he chooses to attach it/them to a wall somewhere near cryotubes in a 45 degree angle and somehow succeeds doing so. At this point the egg is still in a bag so that even if a facehugger gets out it possesses no threat. But the minute Burke gets out the surface of the egg somehow "eats" through the part of the egg between the wall and the egg itself, perhaps by realising a weak acid that also works as glue. The bag then slips off of the egg while the egg remains on the wall (due to the glue effect of the acid). He then returns to the dropship that flies them back to the colony. He reprograms Sulaco to not show any signs of the egg been omboard, hence why ripley did not knew about it in the end.
After encountering xenomorphs marines understand what dangerous species these are and would no longer support the transport of an alien egg back to Earth even for the money. The only problem is that the marines that knew of an alien been omboard the Sulaco die during the first battle. So only Burke knows...
d) After understanding the physiology of xenomorphs Burke realizes that it would save a whole lot to not need to find a body for the facehugger to jump on back on Earth. So he decides to try and make Ripley and Newt impregnated. He fails, miserably...
...
This is pretty much the only true logical explanation I can see that does not contradict movie in any direct way. I know this assumption is not flawless and needs improvement, but it makes some sense to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 04:38:01 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on May 11, 2011, 04:38:01 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on May 11, 2011, 05:57:20 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on May 11, 2011, 05:57:20 PM
a million millions.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Bad Replicant on May 11, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
Post by: Bad Replicant on May 11, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
I like to picture the egg appearing out of thin air with a cartoonish 'pop' sound.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bov930527 on May 11, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
Post by: bov930527 on May 11, 2011, 09:34:20 PM
Quote from: Walk Evil Talk on May 11, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
I like to picture the egg appearing out of thin air with a cartoonish 'pop' sound.
Imagining that actually made me chuckle a little :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
Post by: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: keylight-di on May 11, 2011, 07:33:13 AM
Okay... I get it... The point of all of you. I guess, I shouldn't even try.
The what now? ???
QuoteHow much time passes between that marines arrive to the colony and Hudson finding colonists? Or put it this way, how much time passes between Ripley finds Newt and Hudson locates colonists on the map? Simple as it is: we do not know.
Yes we do. It's about 4 hours.
QuoteThe flight time that Bishop mentions from Sulaco to the colony is approximately 35 minutes (I do not know if that is exact because I do not remember all his lines in the film out of the top of my head).
50 minutes. Not 35.
QuoteMeaning, that Burke would need about an hour and a half to go to the derelict, pick up eggs, fly the first dropship (remember now, it is not destroyed yet!), get back and return to Operations as if nothing had happen. We continue with this hypothesis and try to clear out the blanks to make it a plausible theory.
A few more things...
Burke had no jurisdiction over the marines.
Spunkmeyer is shown to be delivering stuff to Bishop from the dropship and not flying to the Derelict prior to Hudson finding the colonists.
No mention is made of Drake and Spunkmeyer's absence for at least 3 hours by any of the other marines.
How did they just happen to just stroll in and steal an egg from the Derelict when people who go into the Derelict usually leave with one of their number with a hugger attached to it's face?
Why did Burke order Bishop to keep the live huggers if he already had an egg?
Why did Burke try to infect Ripley and Newt if he had an egg?
"only true logical explanation"
I think not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bov930527 on May 12, 2011, 12:21:29 AM
Post by: bov930527 on May 12, 2011, 12:21:29 AM
It is quiet interesting that every quetion you ask is thoroughly explained in the text, but okay, I will just copy myself.
Ohh, thats right, Hudson mentiones it (my bad). But still with a flight time been only 50 minutes to the Sulaco, 4 hours is more than enough.
He had no jurisdiction over Ripley either and yet he managed to lure her to go with them to the planet in the first place. Tongue skills are much, much more dangerous than any jurisdiction my friend.
How long would it take to deliver that stuff? Like 10 minutes, 15 top. 3 hours 45 minutes to go...
If they would be taking a 3 hours long dump, who would really give a shit? Also, "Drake and Spunkmeyer" was just an example. It could be "Ferro and Wierzbowski" or "Spunkmeyer, Frost and Apone".
They had luck. As you say "usually", not always.
He wanted the full set (egg, facehugger and an alien embryo).
He realized how illegal it would be to find a live body back on Earth and literally kill that person for the sake of this alien species. So he decided to take his chances in a place that could not be reached by the long arm of the law: LV-426 (especially with all the hell breaking loose). He would really gain a lot if he delievered all three. I mean, singlehandedly egg, facehugger and a live xenomorph, now that is "not bad for a human".
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PMQuoteHow much time passes between that marines arrive to the colony and Hudson finding colonists? Or put it this way, how much time passes between Ripley finds Newt and Hudson locates colonists on the map? Simple as it is: we do not know.
Yes we do. It's about 4 hours.
Ohh, thats right, Hudson mentiones it (my bad). But still with a flight time been only 50 minutes to the Sulaco, 4 hours is more than enough.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
A few more things...
Burke had no jurisdiction over the marines.
He had no jurisdiction over Ripley either and yet he managed to lure her to go with them to the planet in the first place. Tongue skills are much, much more dangerous than any jurisdiction my friend.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
Spunkmeyer is shown to be delivering stuff to Bishop from the dropship and not flying to the Derelict prior to Hudson finding the colonists.
How long would it take to deliver that stuff? Like 10 minutes, 15 top. 3 hours 45 minutes to go...
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
No mention is made of Drake and Spunkmeyer's absence for at least 3 hours by any of the other marines.
If they would be taking a 3 hours long dump, who would really give a shit? Also, "Drake and Spunkmeyer" was just an example. It could be "Ferro and Wierzbowski" or "Spunkmeyer, Frost and Apone".
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
How did they just happen to just stroll in and steal an egg from the Derelict when people who go into the Derelict usually leave with one of their number with a hugger attached to it's face?
They had luck. As you say "usually", not always.
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
Why did Burke order Bishop to keep the live huggers if he already had an egg?
He wanted the full set (egg, facehugger and an alien embryo).
Quote from: SM on May 11, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
Why did Burke try to infect Ripley and Newt if he had an egg?
He realized how illegal it would be to find a live body back on Earth and literally kill that person for the sake of this alien species. So he decided to take his chances in a place that could not be reached by the long arm of the law: LV-426 (especially with all the hell breaking loose). He would really gain a lot if he delievered all three. I mean, singlehandedly egg, facehugger and a live xenomorph, now that is "not bad for a human".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 12:50:08 AM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 12:50:08 AM
QuoteIt is quiet interesting that every quetion you ask is thoroughly explained in the text, but okay, I will just copy myself.
Not it's not - other than 'shit happens - just, like, because'.
QuoteOhh, thats right, Hudson mentiones it (my bad). But still with a flight time been only 50 minutes to the Sulaco, 4 hours is more than enough.
Hudson doesn't say it. The mission time is on their monitors.
QuoteHe had no jurisdiction over Ripley either and yet he managed to lure her to go with them to the planet in the first place.
He offered her a contract. Why would some marines pay any attention to a suit like Burke?
QuoteHow long would it take to deliver that stuff? Like 10 minutes, 15 top. 3 hours 45 minutes to go...
Depends on how much stuff he actually delivered.
QuoteIf they would be taking a 3 hours long dump, who would really give a shit? Also, "Drake and Spunkmeyer" was just an example. It could be "Ferro and Wierzbowski" or "Spunkmeyer, Frost and Apone".
Doesn't matter. They would be missed - someone would "give a shit'. Especially if they're only form of escape suddenly goes walkies.
QuoteThey had luck. As you say "usually", not always.
In this case usually = always. How precisely are they going to stroll in and steal an egg without getting hugged?
As I said 'shit happens - just, like, because'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bov930527 on May 12, 2011, 01:21:41 AM
Post by: bov930527 on May 12, 2011, 01:21:41 AM
1. Im just so darrn sure that he said "I found them, took me couple of hours but i found them". I watched the youtube clip with all his lines and it wasnt there, but I just know he sad it at some point... Ohh well.
2.
Umm... Just, like, because?
But seriously, why would some scientists pay attention to a guy who says that gravity bends space-time continuum? Why would some people pay attention to a guy from Munick who says that jews should be exterminated from the face of the Earth? Why would some writers pay attention so someone who describes a life of a man on an undiscovered island. Why would anyone pay attention to anything anywhere really?
I understand your point, I do. But as you see it takes us nowhere and therefore I chose to ignore it.
3. We do not know how much stuff Spunkmeyer was transporting and I therefore chose to ignore that also.
4. "Missed"... yes I have issues with that also and I close my eyes upon the rest of marines having no idea where the first dropship really is.
5. I can tell you exectly how they are going to stroll in and steal an egg without geting hugged.
They went in, stole an egg and did not get facehugged. Thats how precisely.
2.
Quote from: SM on May 12, 2011, 12:50:08 AM
He offered her a contract. Why would some marines pay any attention to a suit like Burke?
Umm... Just, like, because?
But seriously, why would some scientists pay attention to a guy who says that gravity bends space-time continuum? Why would some people pay attention to a guy from Munick who says that jews should be exterminated from the face of the Earth? Why would some writers pay attention so someone who describes a life of a man on an undiscovered island. Why would anyone pay attention to anything anywhere really?
I understand your point, I do. But as you see it takes us nowhere and therefore I chose to ignore it.
3. We do not know how much stuff Spunkmeyer was transporting and I therefore chose to ignore that also.
4. "Missed"... yes I have issues with that also and I close my eyes upon the rest of marines having no idea where the first dropship really is.
5. I can tell you exectly how they are going to stroll in and steal an egg without geting hugged.
They went in, stole an egg and did not get facehugged. Thats how precisely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on May 12, 2011, 01:26:56 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on May 12, 2011, 01:26:56 AM
It's an interesting theory. By why would they stick it to the ceiling and not put it on ice?
If Ferro hadn't crashed, they would have gone up there, found the egg and Burke would probably have been chucked out the airlock.
If Ferro hadn't crashed, they would have gone up there, found the egg and Burke would probably have been chucked out the airlock.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 01:29:41 AM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 01:29:41 AM
QuoteBut seriously, why would some scientists pay attention to a guy who says that gravity bends space-time continuum?
Because they're scientists and the guy can show the maths to back it up.
QuoteWhy would some people pay attention to a guy from Munick who says that jews should be exterminated from the face of the Earth?
Because people in desperate times feel better when they have a convenient target to blame for the desperate times.
(I'm guessing you're talking about Hitler who was from Austria rather than Munick(sic).)
QuoteWhy would some writers pay attention so someone who describes a life of a man on an undiscovered island.
'Cos it's a good read.
In a nutshell - you haven't answered the question, simply by asking more questions.
Quote5. I can tell you exectly how they are going to stroll in and steal an egg without geting hugged.
They went in, stole an egg and did not get facehugged. Thats how precisely.
Which again brings us back to "like, because".
If you want to formulate the "only true logical explanation" you need some - indeed any - evidence to hang it on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bov930527 on May 12, 2011, 02:06:17 AM
Post by: bov930527 on May 12, 2011, 02:06:17 AM
@ SM:
Fine...
Marines would listen to Burke because he comes with the same thing he comes to Ripley later in the film with. He tells them they will be rich and most military enlisted personnel have pretty low salaries in comparement to the officer staff, so money would definetely work as a lure since human civilization has proven that humans do intend to get greedy. He also claims that they will be heroes, back on Earth, that thanks to these species they will help find cure for cancer and all possible things. He ensures them no one would get hurt, since they will only transport the egg and nothing else (and that is eventually the only thing they do).
Concerning #5... I could literally write a post describing their every, every breath, every breath they take during the egg-stealing. But that would be like an entire chapter of a book and I am just too lazy to describe everything. Think of it like a very skilled sniper. How do you logically explain that he manages to hit all the targets. You can start off describing his mental state, his childhood, then we can move on to technical issues like the wind speed, the angle of the rifle, etc.. But thats just too time consuming, especially when you know that the side you are arguing with is aware of the existing logic behind the argument. Explaining would simply be... meaningless.
How can I possibly provide evidence for something that is not in the film? Because that is what you are asking me to do. To proof existence of something that does not exist. Its like saying "Voldemort does not exist unless you can proof it". How am I suppose to show you logic to define pure imagination? That is philosophy and people have been trying to do that for centuries so dont expect me to answer that question.
And that is what makes this explanation logical to me. It does not hang nor depend on any other logic shown by the film, whilst explanation with Queen does.
@TheMonolith:
I do not even know if they have ice on Sulaco :-\. As I said, this theory is a very long way from foolproof. If you have a creative mind, feel free to fill up the missing parts :D
Fine...
Marines would listen to Burke because he comes with the same thing he comes to Ripley later in the film with. He tells them they will be rich and most military enlisted personnel have pretty low salaries in comparement to the officer staff, so money would definetely work as a lure since human civilization has proven that humans do intend to get greedy. He also claims that they will be heroes, back on Earth, that thanks to these species they will help find cure for cancer and all possible things. He ensures them no one would get hurt, since they will only transport the egg and nothing else (and that is eventually the only thing they do).
Concerning #5... I could literally write a post describing their every, every breath, every breath they take during the egg-stealing. But that would be like an entire chapter of a book and I am just too lazy to describe everything. Think of it like a very skilled sniper. How do you logically explain that he manages to hit all the targets. You can start off describing his mental state, his childhood, then we can move on to technical issues like the wind speed, the angle of the rifle, etc.. But thats just too time consuming, especially when you know that the side you are arguing with is aware of the existing logic behind the argument. Explaining would simply be... meaningless.
How can I possibly provide evidence for something that is not in the film? Because that is what you are asking me to do. To proof existence of something that does not exist. Its like saying "Voldemort does not exist unless you can proof it". How am I suppose to show you logic to define pure imagination? That is philosophy and people have been trying to do that for centuries so dont expect me to answer that question.
And that is what makes this explanation logical to me. It does not hang nor depend on any other logic shown by the film, whilst explanation with Queen does.
@TheMonolith:
I do not even know if they have ice on Sulaco :-\. As I said, this theory is a very long way from foolproof. If you have a creative mind, feel free to fill up the missing parts :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 02:30:27 AM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 02:30:27 AM
QuoteFine...
Marines would listen to Burke because he comes with the same thing he comes to Ripley later in the film with. He tells them they will be rich and most military enlisted personnel have pretty low salaries in comparement to the officer staff, so money would definetely work as a lure since human civilization has proven that humans do intend to get greedy. He also claims that they will be heroes, back on Earth, that thanks to these species they will help find cure for cancer and all possible things. He ensures them no one would get hurt, since they will only transport the egg and nothing else (and that is eventually the only thing they do).
Money could indeed be a lure. Glory not so much. However, they're shown to be a fairly tight-knit bunch and I can't picture one or a few betraying the others. Burke would be better off trying to get Gorman on side since he's an outsider too.
QuoteConcerning #5... I could literally write a post describing their every, every breath, every breath they take during the egg-stealing. But that would be like an entire chapter of a book and I am just too lazy to describe everything. Think of it like a very skilled sniper. How do you logically explain that he manages to hit all the targets. You can start off describing his mental state, his childhood, then we can move on to technical issues like the wind speed, the angle of the rifle, etc.. But thats just too time consuming, especially when you know that the side you are arguing with is aware of the existing logic behind the argument. Explaining would simply be... meaningless.
Rubbish. All you need to is concoct a scenario where a bunch of dudes can steal an Alien egg without getting facehugged that's halfway believable. All that technical stuff is rubbish. In terms of displaying it in a film with the sniper example - no one gives a shit how. We just need to see that he's a good sniper.
QuoteHow can I possibly provide evidence for something that is not in the film? Because that is what you are asking me to do. To proof existence of something that does not exist. Its like saying "Voldemort does not exist unless you can proof it". How am I suppose to show you logic to define pure imagination? That is philosophy and people have been trying to do that for centuries so dont expect me to answer that question.
Again, rubbish. When dealing with something like this, you just need to point to stuff in the film that can support your hypothesis. All you've done is use Burke, which is obviously valid, to come up with something utterly unbelievable.
QuoteAnd that is what makes this explanation logical to me.
Even though it's utterly devoid of logic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kimarhi on May 12, 2011, 02:35:14 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on May 12, 2011, 02:35:14 AM
Active duty military personnel cannot take money that isn't given to them in their salaries by the government. Its illegal. Its why the Bin Laden killing SEAL isn't getting a cent of that bounty. It's why an army intelligence collector can't come home after his 9 hours on base and put another two or three hours in at a defense agency and triple his weekly income.
WY could offer the Marines money illegally, but they'd better hope they didn't get caught by their earth government. Obviously the said government has pull, or there would be no need for the cloak and dagger stuff in the first place. WY would just do what it wanted.
WY could offer the Marines money illegally, but they'd better hope they didn't get caught by their earth government. Obviously the said government has pull, or there would be no need for the cloak and dagger stuff in the first place. WY would just do what it wanted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 02:37:45 AM
Post by: SM on May 12, 2011, 02:37:45 AM
QuoteWY could offer the Marines money illegally, but they'd better hope they didn't get caught by their earth government.
Particularly since everything is no doubt being recorded.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kimarhi on May 12, 2011, 02:40:16 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on May 12, 2011, 02:40:16 AM
It'd be pretty suspicious if every marine had time un accounted for on his mission cams.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bobby brown on May 12, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Post by: bobby brown on May 12, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
Quote from: bov930527 on May 11, 2011, 09:34:20 PMQuote from: Walk Evil Talk on May 11, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
I like to picture the egg appearing out of thin air with a cartoonish 'pop' sound.
Imagining that actually made me chuckle a little :D
;D :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 06:48:47 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 06:48:47 AM
My Take:
1. Queen hitchs a ride on the dropship - she has a facehugger with her at the time that came with her from the nest. This is a normal facehugger.
2. Queen lays an egg on the dropship en route to the sulaco.
3. During the fight between Ripley and the Queen, the face hugger drags the egg away through instinct "don't be where your enemies expect you to be"
4. After they are in hypersleep, the egg hatchs and we now have two facehuggers. One attempts to get Newt and fails cutting itself on the glass causing it to bleed and cause the fire. The other (the one just hatched) gets Ripley.
5. After they crash land, the other facehugger then gets the dog.
A super facehugger can account for the two aliens (getting Ripley and the dog) but a superface huger doesn't explain the location of the egg on the Sulaco.
1. Queen hitchs a ride on the dropship - she has a facehugger with her at the time that came with her from the nest. This is a normal facehugger.
2. Queen lays an egg on the dropship en route to the sulaco.
3. During the fight between Ripley and the Queen, the face hugger drags the egg away through instinct "don't be where your enemies expect you to be"
4. After they are in hypersleep, the egg hatchs and we now have two facehuggers. One attempts to get Newt and fails cutting itself on the glass causing it to bleed and cause the fire. The other (the one just hatched) gets Ripley.
5. After they crash land, the other facehugger then gets the dog.
A super facehugger can account for the two aliens (getting Ripley and the dog) but a superface huger doesn't explain the location of the egg on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 06:55:13 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 06:55:13 AM
Except a normal facehugger got someone on the Sulaco and Spike - not a super hugger as seen in the SE (which didn't get a dog at all).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 06:56:32 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 06:56:32 AM
huh?
To clarify I"m not going by the assembly cut.
To clarify I"m not going by the assembly cut.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:03:57 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:03:57 AM
So you're not talking about the armoured super/Queen facehugger?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 07:05:01 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 07:05:01 AM
Sorry no I'm not.
My last comment about a super face hugger was saying why a superface hugger theory doesn't actually work.
In my theory listed above I'm talking soley about two normal facehuggers.
My last comment about a super face hugger was saying why a superface hugger theory doesn't actually work.
In my theory listed above I'm talking soley about two normal facehuggers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:28:42 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:28:42 AM
Righto then.
Bishop only mentioning a singular Alien kinda undermines it through.
Bishop only mentioning a singular Alien kinda undermines it through.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Ghostface on Jun 01, 2011, 07:35:41 AM
Post by: Ghostface on Jun 01, 2011, 07:35:41 AM
I think we just need to accept there are some plot holes in A3 and try not to think to hard about them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jun 01, 2011, 07:42:50 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jun 01, 2011, 07:42:50 AM
:laugh:
I wonder how many people have said that before in the many threads we've have here and the many discussions about it elsewhere on the net. And yet it goes on.
I wonder how many people have said that before in the many threads we've have here and the many discussions about it elsewhere on the net. And yet it goes on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:44:17 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:44:17 AM
Only teensy weensy plot holes you could drive an M-class star freighter through...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 08:57:48 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:28:42 AM
Righto then.
Bishop only mentioning a singular Alien kinda undermines it through.
Says who?
Bishop never says that there was only ever one alien.
But even if you don't want to accept that how about something else he says "it's very dark here Ripley, I'm not what I used to be."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 01, 2011, 09:07:14 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 01, 2011, 09:07:14 AM
Quote from: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 08:57:48 AMQuote from: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 07:28:42 AM
Righto then.
Bishop only mentioning a singular Alien kinda undermines it through.
Says who?
Bishop never says that there was only ever one alien.
"It was with us all the way." not "They were with us all the way."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2011, 10:08:33 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2011, 10:08:33 AM
And: "Was there AN Alien onboard?" [singular]
Answer: "Yesss."
He'd clarify or correct her if there were more.
Answer: "Yesss."
He'd clarify or correct her if there were more.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 01, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 01, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
The filmmakers obviously didn't really put much thought into it (they just went over and said 'hey, what if Ripley had a Queen inside her?'), as practically zero thought was put into the continuity and logic of the (though cool looking) opening sequence, so it all comes up to what one thinks of it. I've always thought that the Hugger in A3 could impregnate more than one host. Notice how it is almost dormant - not quick or anywhere near the mobility we are used to when talking about facehuggers - when Spike barks at it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2011, 03:03:30 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2011, 03:03:30 PM
100 years from now people will still be debating it...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 01, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 01, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2011, 03:03:30 PM'Till 2179.
100 years from now people will still be debating it...
Maybe this will be a school subject, in the trivia section of history books. 'A question that boggled our ancestors 168 years ago - where did that egg in Alien3 come from?' Cue in article.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 01, 2011, 07:29:28 PM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 01, 2011, 07:29:28 PM
My best guess is that the Queen planted it whist waiting for Ripley getting into her power loader or maybe when she was stowed in the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 09:34:07 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2011, 09:34:07 PM
Can't be the former because the Queen was chasing Newt and Bishop was watching her chase Newt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 11:28:14 PM
Post by: stephen on Jun 01, 2011, 11:28:14 PM
As I said - if you don't want to accept the fact that Bishop never actually said there was only one alien have a look at what else he said:
"it's very dark here Ripley, I'm not what I used to be"
He was smashed to bits and he was obviosly having problems accessing the data.
"it's very dark here Ripley, I'm not what I used to be"
He was smashed to bits and he was obviosly having problems accessing the data.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Ac!d4Blood on Jun 01, 2011, 11:46:13 PM
Post by: Ac!d4Blood on Jun 01, 2011, 11:46:13 PM
I rather like the idea of Burke been an artificial person, they dont show how he died so maybe
somehow he manage to get an egg on the Sulaco.
somehow he manage to get an egg on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 12:12:12 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 12:12:12 AM
QuoteAs I said - if you don't want to accept the fact that Bishop never actually said there was only one alien have a look at what else he said:
"it's very dark here Ripley, I'm not what I used to be"
He was smashed to bits and he was obviosly having problems accessing the data.
No he wasn't. He was trying to dodge Ripley's question about something moving around on the ship, because he knew she wouldn't like the answer. When she presses him, he answers directly and without any room for debate. And they always talk in the singular.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on Jun 02, 2011, 12:14:51 AM
Post by: TheMonolith on Jun 02, 2011, 12:14:51 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 01, 2011, 03:10:57 PMNo.Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 01, 2011, 03:03:30 PM'Till 2179.
100 years from now people will still be debating it...
In the year 7510.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 02, 2011, 12:21:52 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 02, 2011, 12:21:52 AM
If God's a-comin' he ought to make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the Judgement day
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the Judgement day
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 12:12:12 AMQuoteAs I said - if you don't want to accept the fact that Bishop never actually said there was only one alien have a look at what else he said:
"it's very dark here Ripley, I'm not what I used to be"
He was smashed to bits and he was obviosly having problems accessing the data.
No he wasn't. He was trying to dodge Ripley's question about something moving around on the ship, because he knew she wouldn't like the answer. When she presses him, he answers directly and without any room for debate. And they always talk in the singular.
Nonsense. He was smashed to bits and specifically states that "he's not what he used to be".
There is nothing to indicate that he was trying to dodge Ripley's question.
Just because he is eventually able to answer her question doesn't mean that he didn't have problems accessing it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 01:12:45 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 01:12:45 AM
QuoteThere is nothing to indicate that he was trying to dodge Ripley's question.
Except for the fact that he displays no actual difficulty in accessing anything from the flight recorder.
Ripley asks him if he can access the data. - "No problem". He instantly links in, instantly tells her her about the fire, and where it was. Then when she asks him about something moving around, he stalls trying not to give her bad news. When she presses he tells her, not only was something moving around - it was an Alien, it was with them in the EEV as well, and the Company knows all about it too.
But, you expect us to believe he knew all this - but didn't bother to correct himself with "Oh sorry, Ripley - there was a couple of Aliens."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 02, 2011, 01:37:15 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 02, 2011, 01:37:15 AM
I say again, just because he could actually access the data is no indication that it wasn't difficult.
Given that he expressly states that it was difficult is a clue.
I completely understand that your statement of events is likely, and quite likely probable given the film makers intentions when they were actually making the film.
However, given that there is a plot hole (depending on how you want to look at it) I am trying to show how that a plot hole could be fixed.
So, taking on board your comments, I reiterate my stance. That Bishop states quite clearly that he was having trouble accessing the data and this would fit in with my theory.
Yes I know mine is just a theory.
Given that he expressly states that it was difficult is a clue.
I completely understand that your statement of events is likely, and quite likely probable given the film makers intentions when they were actually making the film.
However, given that there is a plot hole (depending on how you want to look at it) I am trying to show how that a plot hole could be fixed.
So, taking on board your comments, I reiterate my stance. That Bishop states quite clearly that he was having trouble accessing the data and this would fit in with my theory.
Yes I know mine is just a theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 01:51:20 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 01:51:20 AM
Again, he says it to try and spare Ripley, and shows no actual signs of having trouble to access anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 02, 2011, 01:54:01 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 02, 2011, 01:54:01 AM
You've made an assumption that he says it to try to spare Ripley.
But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Frankly I don't see why its such a leap to think that Bishop actually was having difficulty (in relation to fixing the egg on sulaco plot hole).
Far less of a leap in my opinion then some other wild ass theories out there.
But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Frankly I don't see why its such a leap to think that Bishop actually was having difficulty (in relation to fixing the egg on sulaco plot hole).
Far less of a leap in my opinion then some other wild ass theories out there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jun 02, 2011, 05:21:49 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jun 02, 2011, 05:21:49 AM
Okay finaly came back to this thread. So what have i missed? any conclusions?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2011, 08:03:11 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 02, 2011, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: Guts on Jun 02, 2011, 05:21:49 AMHell no! :laugh:
Okay finaly came back to this thread. So what have i missed? any conclusions?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jun 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jun 02, 2011, 08:51:45 AM
Okay then my responce is simple. Aren't we really thinking about this too much? I mean i really don't think we're ment to discuss this in this amount of detail. It was never designed that way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 09:08:30 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 09:08:30 AM
It was designed very poorly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 02, 2011, 10:09:56 AM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 02, 2011, 10:09:56 AM
I know this is an absolute long shot but, MIBEH...Burke wasn't killed by that nasty alien fella because he was an android like bishop (Would an alien even kill an android?) , got away found an egg and managed to get onto the dropship somehow and was killed by the queen or some shit. I know it's highly unlikely but I thought i'd throw it out there for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 11:21:05 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 02, 2011, 11:21:05 AM
Not so much 'highly unlikely' as 'entirely fantastical'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 02, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jun 02, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
Jonesy followed Ripley back to LV-426 and placed the egg on board the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 02, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 02, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jun 02, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
Jonesy followed Ripley back to LV-426 and placed the egg on board the Sulaco.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y1USaJemzSs/TENwDCPxK8I/AAAAAAAADaw/4BSROMevp7c/s1600/Alien.png
That's the best theory yet i must say.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 02, 2011, 10:46:03 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 02, 2011, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jun 02, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
Jonesy followed Ripley back to LV-426 and placed the egg on board the Sulaco.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y1USaJemzSs/TENwDCPxK8I/AAAAAAAADaw/4BSROMevp7c/s1600/Alien.png
That little shit-head...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Jun 03, 2011, 02:28:03 AM
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Jun 03, 2011, 02:28:03 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jun 02, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
Jonesy followed Ripley back to LV-426 and placed the egg on board the Sulaco.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y1USaJemzSs/TENwDCPxK8I/AAAAAAAADaw/4BSROMevp7c/s1600/Alien.png
[/quote
:D But he has no hands. And, it would face hug him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 03, 2011, 02:30:40 AM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 03, 2011, 02:30:40 AM
Serves the bastard right. The cat-alien will be a boss for the upcoming Aliens: Colonial Marines game.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 03, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 03, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
Simple. During and after the Nostromo's encounter in ALIEN there are those in the Company, who knew about the alien, lets call those people IN THE KNOW, because it is too valuable a thing to tell everyone who works for you. The information of how to locate and cofirm Alien life alone is priceless. So, after the Nostromo disappears, those IN THE KNOW, need a new plan. Who knows what it is or was, all we know is 57 years later, there is this 'Shake and bake' colony there....Terraforming. Who knows why. maybe those IN THE KNOW were setting them up slowly, maybe be not, but they are there and so is the Derelict... Point is, it is absurd to just imagine that the Comapny gave up and kept quiet about the Derelict. Even if they couldnt aford to do something, they could have sold the information for a fortune. LSS...The Company did not give up after the NOSTROMO, they've been somehow pursuing this all along and we dont know how much. So even if they never got to THE DERELICT again, there are those IN THE KNOW, who are sitting on this GOLDEN TICKET and its more than worth killing for a second time.
So now Ripley is found, how? Why? Why did it take so long? Surely they looked for her?
So she tells this guy Burke and other Company people who ARE NOT IN THE KNOW and it gets back to the Company. Or maybe they didnt find her by accident. Point is, those IN THE KNOW, know whats going on. Now obviously since the information alone is so valuable, people like BURKE are not IN THE KNOW. Otherwise, he could just sell the information, so suddenly this guy Burke says this and that and they lose contact with the Colony (A colony whose location on LV426 is suspicious given that those IN THE KNOW would put 2 and 2 together).
Oh Shit! They are sending in MARINES! Now, our GOLDEN TICKET is gonna be lost! So thinks, those IN THE KNOW.
LSS, those Company cats IN THE KNOW were up shit's creek. Of course they would want to stop any and all mission to Hadley's Hope but now...Or maybe if they cant stop it, they can compromise it. Maybe they had to try and get to that derelict before the Marines found out about it... Maybe they had to sabotage the Marines mission... Anyone pickin up what I'm puttin down? Those IN THE KNOW were around. Maybe they were characters we saw, maybe they were one step ahead or behind...but they got that egg on that ship. Possibly after RIpley was already in hypersleep.
So now Ripley is found, how? Why? Why did it take so long? Surely they looked for her?
So she tells this guy Burke and other Company people who ARE NOT IN THE KNOW and it gets back to the Company. Or maybe they didnt find her by accident. Point is, those IN THE KNOW, know whats going on. Now obviously since the information alone is so valuable, people like BURKE are not IN THE KNOW. Otherwise, he could just sell the information, so suddenly this guy Burke says this and that and they lose contact with the Colony (A colony whose location on LV426 is suspicious given that those IN THE KNOW would put 2 and 2 together).
Oh Shit! They are sending in MARINES! Now, our GOLDEN TICKET is gonna be lost! So thinks, those IN THE KNOW.
LSS, those Company cats IN THE KNOW were up shit's creek. Of course they would want to stop any and all mission to Hadley's Hope but now...Or maybe if they cant stop it, they can compromise it. Maybe they had to try and get to that derelict before the Marines found out about it... Maybe they had to sabotage the Marines mission... Anyone pickin up what I'm puttin down? Those IN THE KNOW were around. Maybe they were characters we saw, maybe they were one step ahead or behind...but they got that egg on that ship. Possibly after RIpley was already in hypersleep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2011, 06:01:16 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2011, 06:01:16 AM
QuotePoint is, it is absurd to just imagine that the Comapny gave up and kept quiet about the Derelict.
And yet, that's precisely what they did. Good idea too, to bury anything remotely concerning special orders stating the expendibility of your employees.
Quote[Surely they looked for her?
Why? As far as anyone knew the Nostromo was simply lost in space. How are they going to search 37 LY of space even if they knew where to look?
QuotePoint is, those IN THE KNOW, know whats going on.
Point is, those IN THE KNOW, are now either retired or dead.
QuoteAnyone pickin up what I'm puttin down?
Not at all.
Quotebut they got that egg on that ship. Possibly after RIpley was already in hypersleep.
What a moronic thing to do. For people who are supposedly in the know, they really don't know very much.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2011, 06:06:17 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2011, 06:06:17 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 03, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
Simple. During and after the Nostromo's encounter in ALIEN there are those in the Company, who knew about the alien, lets call those people IN THE KNOW, because it is too valuable a thing to tell everyone who works for you.
This part I agree with, since through numerous threads and facts we already established it was an off the book thing made by one or few individuals
QuoteThe information of how to locate and cofirm Alien life alone is priceless. So, after the Nostromo disappears, those IN THE KNOW, need a new plan. Who knows what it is or was, all we know is 57 years later, there is this 'Shake and bake' colony there....Terraforming. Who knows why. maybe those IN THE KNOW were setting them up slowly, maybe be not, but they are there and so is the Derelict... Point is, it is absurd to just imagine that the Comapny gave up and kept quiet about the Derelict.
Its not absurd at all. Once Nostromo dissapears, no suit wants to be prosecuted for conspiracy and dissapearance and possible deaths of an entire crew, nevermind trying to pass the quarantine and patent laws by acquiring aliens. People IN THE KNOW would stay low and pray no one ever ties all this to them, an illegal plan that went terribly wrong and an order planted which made clear the life of the crew didnt count
QuoteSo she tells this guy Burke and other Company people who ARE NOT IN THE KNOW and it gets back to the Company. Or maybe they didnt find her by accident. Point is, those IN THE KNOW, know whats going on. Now obviously since the information alone is so valuable, people like BURKE are not IN THE KNOW.
Burke knows nothing and the movie made it clear. The people IN THE KNOW by that point are either dead or out of the office. Burke was the only one who gave at least some credibility to what Ripley was saying. Maybe not credibility, but decided to ask some colony hicks to check out the place where Ripley said the derelict was. He acted alone
QuoteThose IN THE KNOW were around. Maybe they were characters we saw, maybe they were one step ahead or behind...but they got that egg on that ship. Possibly after RIpley was already in hypersleep.
It makes no sense for someone to haunt Ripley and not care about the alien. Youre basically saying someone followed Sulaco and docked in the bay and planted the egg. Makes no sense whatsoever on many, many levels
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 02:42:04 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: I Shadow I on Jun 02, 2011, 10:09:56 AM
I know this is an absolute long shot but, MIBEH...Burke wasn't killed by that nasty alien fella because he was an android like bishop (Would an alien even kill an android?) , got away found an egg and managed to get onto the dropship somehow and was killed by the queen or some shit. I know it's highly unlikely but I thought i'd throw it out there for the hell of it.
Burke was taken by the Alien to be harvested as a host.
In a deleted scene, we see Ripley confronting a cocooned Burk, as he pleaded to her for rescue, saying,"It's inside me."; citing he was very much human and was impregnated.
I say, it was the Queen who laid an egg as an action to survive, since she was alone on the ship.
But it may have been Bishop too.
He would have sneaked away with the ship to a location with eggs around, while Ripley went to rescue Rebecca.
Also, androids are to follow whatever a human instructs them to.
He might have again, contacted the Company through the drop-ship, who insisted for a sample of the life-form on the rock.
He hid the egg in the corner. The egg did not trigger-open since he was an android.
But then we had Hicks on-board. A face-hugger would have easily impregnated Hicks while he was unconscious, while the others were confronting the Queen.
Heck, it would have already done the job while Bishop was flying the ship back to Ripley.
Well that didn't happen, so I guess the Queen laid the egg, on the way back to the Sulaco. While everyone was inside checking up on Hicks, she silently hid the egg.
Also, the egg appears to be small in size, as seen in A3, compared to the regular ones. It was an egg rushed out, for safety.
It had the Queen Facehugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 04, 2011, 03:29:43 PM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 04, 2011, 03:29:43 PM
Yeah, But that never made it into any of the cuts, so would it still be considered canon?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
That last part was a decent theory, the queen slipping quietly from the dropship as the gang is still inside and sticking an egg somewhere. Or maybe the excitement of combat caused one to poop out during her exertions, hence the bizarre angle we see the egg at in A3.
I think she palmed one and stuck it down under the grill while chasing Newt, and was all "yall slap this egg right here, and you won't see it cause I'm a bad mother, how you like that? Bladow."
I think she palmed one and stuck it down under the grill while chasing Newt, and was all "yall slap this egg right here, and you won't see it cause I'm a bad mother, how you like that? Bladow."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2011, 10:47:52 PM
QuoteHe might have again, contacted the Company through the drop-ship, who insisted for a sample of the life-form on the rock.
There's no IM from LV-426 to the Company.
QuoteAlso, the egg appears to be small in size, as seen in A3, compared to the regular ones.
There's no basis for this because there's no point of reference. It could be bigger than a normal egg for all we know. Why people say it's smaller baffles me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 10:58:06 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 10:58:06 PM
QuoteThere's no IM from LV-426 to the Company.
Well WY sent those colonists there. Aliens sneeze on the colonists and then the Company sends a rescue mission to LV-426, obviously after receiving some sort of messages from the colony.
Plus, I'm talking about the drop-ship, which has a transmitter and Bishop can contact the Company through it.
Quote
There's no basis for this because there's no point of reference. It could be bigger than a normal egg for all we know. Why people say it's smaller baffles me.
It's smaller. We have a movie made on it right after the first two movies.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2011, 11:12:43 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2011, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: Greedy Fat Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 10:58:06 PMQuoteThere's no IM from LV-426 to the Company.
Well WY sent those colonists there. Aliens sneeze on the colonists and then the Company sends a rescue mission to LV-426, obviously after receiving some sort of messages from the colony.
Plus, I'm talking about the drop-ship, which has a transmitter and Bishop can contact the Company through it.Quote
There's no basis for this because there's no point of reference. It could be bigger than a normal egg for all we know. Why people say it's smaller baffles me.
It's smaller. We have a movie made on it right after the first two movies.
1. Round trip for a message is two weeks.
2. Where's your evidence that it's smaller?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pn2501 on Jun 04, 2011, 11:24:52 PM
Post by: Pn2501 on Jun 04, 2011, 11:24:52 PM
Burke an gorman suggest the lost contact meaning they received no comunication, so they essentially had no idea what happened.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 05, 2011, 03:13:56 AM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 05, 2011, 03:13:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2011, 11:12:43 PMQuote from: Greedy Fat Xenoborg on Jun 04, 2011, 10:58:06 PMQuoteThere's no IM from LV-426 to the Company.
Well WY sent those colonists there. Aliens sneeze on the colonists and then the Company sends a rescue mission to LV-426, obviously after receiving some sort of messages from the colony.
Plus, I'm talking about the drop-ship, which has a transmitter and Bishop can contact the Company through it.Quote
There's no basis for this because there's no point of reference. It could be bigger than a normal egg for all we know. Why people say it's smaller baffles me.
It's smaller. We have a movie made on it right after the first two movies.
1. Round trip for a message is two weeks.
2. Where's your evidence that it's smaller?
If you look here, the egg does look considerably smaller compared to the one's found in Aliens.
Alien 3
Aliens
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 03:28:11 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 03:28:11 AM
Again - where's the point of reference in the Aien3 still?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 05, 2011, 03:29:05 AM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 05, 2011, 03:29:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 03:28:11 AM
Again - where's the point of reference in the Aien3 still?
I Don't get what you mean by "Point of reference."
I can be pretty sure if you were to show those two pictures to people, they would say the one in Alien 3 was somewhat smaller than the eggs in the other picture.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 03:38:13 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 03:38:13 AM
And they'd be basing that on nothing.
In the Aliens still Ripley is standing right next to them so it's easy to judge their size.
In the Alien3 still there's nothing. We have no idea where in the ship we are, how big the SULACO writing is, how big those strut things are. Nothing on which to judge if the egg is bigger, smaller or precisely the same size as any other egg. And since we have nothing, there's no reason to believe it's any different to previous eggs.
In the Aliens still Ripley is standing right next to them so it's easy to judge their size.
In the Alien3 still there's nothing. We have no idea where in the ship we are, how big the SULACO writing is, how big those strut things are. Nothing on which to judge if the egg is bigger, smaller or precisely the same size as any other egg. And since we have nothing, there's no reason to believe it's any different to previous eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 05, 2011, 03:40:10 AM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 05, 2011, 03:40:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 03:38:13 AM
And they'd be basing that on nothing.
In the Aliens still Ripley is standing right next to them so it's easy to judge their size.
In the Alien3 still there's nothing. We have no idea where in the ship we are, how big the SULACO writing is, how big those strut things are. Nothing on which to judge if the egg is bigger, smaller or precisely the same size as any other egg. And since we have nothing, there's no reason to believe it's any different to previous eggs.
Touche.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 04:11:25 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 04:11:25 AM
that appears to be structural supports like we saw near the marine cryotubes in aliens, but i could be mistaken.
they weren't that big.
they weren't that big.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vitriol on Jun 05, 2011, 04:18:15 AM
Post by: Vitriol on Jun 05, 2011, 04:18:15 AM
It laid the egg in the sub-flooring under the grates as Ripley was prepping the cargo loader. Move on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:28:41 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:28:41 AM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 04:11:25 AM
that appears to be structural supports like we saw near the marine cryotubes in aliens, but i could be mistaken.
they weren't that big.
No structural supports anything like that on the cryotubes, although that was my initial thought too.
Quote from: Vitriol on Jun 05, 2011, 04:18:15 AM
It laid the egg in the sub-flooring under the grates as Ripley was prepping the cargo loader. Move on.
Sub-flooring doesn't look anything like that either. And Newt - or Bishop - would have seen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 06:43:13 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 06:43:13 AM
That and it never had time. It turned from Ripley, then went after Newt - while Bishop was watching.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 05, 2011, 10:56:05 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 05, 2011, 10:56:05 AM
I went around looking at life-sized sculptures of the Eggs, on Google.
They said they were 3 feet in size.
The Alien3-egg appears to be 1/2 the size of a normal egg.
The background in Alien3 appears to be some kind of a corridor, or strikingly familiar to the shelves where the Marines kept their Pulse Rifles.
Have a look:
Alien³Though, I admit they don't look that familiar; it's because David Fincher loved slapping the previous directors and films in the face. He even changed the 'USS SULACO' on the ship from black to shiny gold.
That place is really too small for a 3ft Alien egg to fit.
So I say it's small. :-X
Plus, a 3ft egg with resin/stuff inside, with it's weight and the weight of a facehugger, might not be able to stick to the corner of the wall, like that, unless it's small or the resin-base that the Queen applied is made of super adhesive contents.
They said they were 3 feet in size.
The Alien3-egg appears to be 1/2 the size of a normal egg.
The background in Alien3 appears to be some kind of a corridor, or strikingly familiar to the shelves where the Marines kept their Pulse Rifles.
Have a look:
Aliens
Alien³
That place is really too small for a 3ft Alien egg to fit.
So I say it's small. :-X
Plus, a 3ft egg with resin/stuff inside, with it's weight and the weight of a facehugger, might not be able to stick to the corner of the wall, like that, unless it's small or the resin-base that the Queen applied is made of super adhesive contents.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jun 05, 2011, 11:21:55 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jun 05, 2011, 11:21:55 AM
No explanation shown or mentioned in the movie= no explanation at all.
Come on guys. Theories are pointless, especially all these years later.
Come on guys. Theories are pointless, especially all these years later.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 05, 2011, 01:50:19 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 05, 2011, 01:50:19 PM
Quote from: Greedy Fat Xenoborg on Jun 05, 2011, 10:56:05 AMThe egg isn't in the same location as the weapons - and how did the Queen get there? The answer is, the Queen didn't lay an egg, she had no opportunity to, she never left the hanger, etc. The egg is only there because FOX insisted on an Alien movie featuring Ripley and the only way it occured to them to have this happen was to stick an egg on board - despite any logic [practically every used and unused Alien III script had magic eggs and/or magic Aliens]. The egg's there because the script says so. That's as complete and unsatisfactory as the answer will ever get. All we're doing by obsessing is perpetuating our own exasperation with the movie. :-\
I went around looking at life-sized sculptures of the Eggs, on Google.
They said they were 3 feet in size.
The Alien3-egg appears to be 1/2 the size of a normal egg.
The background in Alien3 appears to be some kind of a corridor, or strikingly familiar to the shelves where the Marines kept their Pulse Rifles.
Have a look:AliensThough, I admit they don't look that familiar; it's because David Fincher loved slapping the previous directors and films in the face. He even changed the 'USS SULACO' on the ship from black to shiny gold.
Alien³
That place is really too small for a 3ft Alien egg to fit.
So I say it's small. :-X
Plus, a 3ft egg with resin/stuff inside, with it's weight and the weight of a facehugger, might not be able to stick to the corner of the wall, like that, unless it's small or the resin-base that the Queen applied is made of super adhesive contents.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
The Eggs have tendrils on their bases.
They can MOVE.
I always said it, mahn.
They can MOVE.
I always said it, mahn.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 01:55:06 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 01:55:06 PM
aren't those roots they feed with?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 01:57:54 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 01:57:54 PM
They are both.
Cradily, man.
Cradily, man.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 01:59:25 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 01:59:25 PM
Radical, dude.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 02:02:11 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 02:02:11 PM
They can retract their roots and use them as tentacles to move around like Octopi.
Maaaaan. I'm a genius.
Maaaaan. I'm a genius.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 05, 2011, 03:32:56 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jun 05, 2011, 03:32:56 PM
"The Alien3-egg was put there by the invisible Aliens known as "directors, producers and writers" as what they call a plot device."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jun 05, 2011, 04:05:04 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jun 05, 2011, 04:05:04 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
I think she palmed one and stuck it down under the grill whilechasing Newtin the dropship, and was all "yall slap this egg right here, and you won't see it cause I'm a bad mother, how you like that? Bladow."
This may be a little more likely. What u think? It was the only time the queen was alone.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:25:13 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: kelgaard on Jun 05, 2011, 04:05:04 PMQuote from: RagingDragon on Jun 04, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
I think she palmed one and stuck it down under the grill whilechasing Newtin the dropship, and was all "yall slap this egg right here, and you won't see it cause I'm a bad mother, how you like that? Bladow."
This may be a little more likely. What u think? It was the only time the queen was alone.
So I guess she was on tiptoes while everyone was sitting around looking at the floor inside the dropship for five minutes?
The only theories that work are so mindbogglingly insane and insulting you don't want to think about them, and the rest don't work. The egg is never going to make sense, because it wasn't intended to.
These threads must die.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 04:51:15 PM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Jun 05, 2011, 04:51:15 PM
NEVER!
the day the pointless discussions about trivial and insignificant mysteries of popular media stop is the day the internet dies!
the day the pointless discussions about trivial and insignificant mysteries of popular media stop is the day the internet dies!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:52:46 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:52:46 PM
Then the internet must die!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 04:54:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 04:54:12 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 05, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 05:04:23 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 05, 2011, 05:04:23 PM
/Thread
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jun 05, 2011, 05:07:04 PM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Jun 05, 2011, 05:07:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMkrk2MJYrg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMkrk2MJYrg#)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
QuoteThe only theories that work are so mindbogglingly insane and insulting you don't want to think about them
How can they 'work' if they're insane and insulting? Any theory that actually worked would be the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 05:16:09 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 05:16:09 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2011, 06:06:17 AMQuote from: CainsSon on Jun 03, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
Simple. During and after the Nostromo's encounter in ALIEN there are those in the Company, who knew about the alien, lets call those people IN THE KNOW, because it is too valuable a thing to tell everyone who works for you.
This part I agree with, since through numerous threads and facts we already established it was an off the book thing made by one or few individualsQuoteThe information of how to locate and cofirm Alien life alone is priceless. So, after the Nostromo disappears, those IN THE KNOW, need a new plan. Who knows what it is or was, all we know is 57 years later, there is this 'Shake and bake' colony there....Terraforming. Who knows why. maybe those IN THE KNOW were setting them up slowly, maybe be not, but they are there and so is the Derelict... Point is, it is absurd to just imagine that the Comapny gave up and kept quiet about the Derelict.
Its not absurd at all. Once Nostromo dissapears, no suit wants to be prosecuted for conspiracy and dissapearance and possible deaths of an entire crew, nevermind trying to pass the quarantine and patent laws by acquiring aliens. People IN THE KNOW would stay low and pray no one ever ties all this to them, an illegal plan that went terribly wrong and an order planted which made clear the life of the crew didnt countQuoteSo she tells this guy Burke and other Company people who ARE NOT IN THE KNOW and it gets back to the Company. Or maybe they didnt find her by accident. Point is, those IN THE KNOW, know whats going on. Now obviously since the information alone is so valuable, people like BURKE are not IN THE KNOW.
Burke knows nothing and the movie made it clear. The people IN THE KNOW by that point are either dead or out of the office. Burke was the only one who gave at least some credibility to what Ripley was saying. Maybe not credibility, but decided to ask some colony hicks to check out the place where Ripley said the derelict was. He acted aloneQuoteThose IN THE KNOW were around. Maybe they were characters we saw, maybe they were one step ahead or behind...but they got that egg on that ship. Possibly after RIpley was already in hypersleep.
It makes no sense for someone to haunt Ripley and not care about the alien. Youre basically saying someone followed Sulaco and docked in the bay and planted the egg. Makes no sense whatsoever on many, many levels
First, Im not trying to make anyone feel stupid. I'm just maybe plagued by a realism that gives way to cynicism, especially when it concerns Capitalism. Thing is, Im really not the first to decifer that cynical representation of Capitalism as a big part of the Alien franchise. So maybe, I'm just seeing something logical to that cynicism that others less fixated on Capitalist corruption would easily ignore. Plus I admit that the way these things are implied in subtext is one of the most brilliant things about this series and is the one constant in the subtext throughout all 4 films,...
There must be some mis-communication. I'm not SAYING anything concrete. I'm not saying BURKE knew anything at all. I'm saying he didn't know. No one in ALIENS knew, at least, no one had too. It is absurd to think anyone but those who NEEDED to KNOW, EVER KNEW and that there was any paper trail or reason for them to need to wipe their hands of any of it. First off, they could just claim negligence, if it did come up. How could they have known what the Alien was gonna do to them? Second, they were contracted to investigate. Third, why would anyone put the crew expendable thing in print?! That would be next to retarded. It's like writing a letter detailing the way you are willing to kill the rest of your team if you lose a patent. So furthermore, I'm saying there likely was nothing for them to be responsible for since they would have to be retarded to create any paper trail to begin with and you've also overlooked my biggest point: Even if those who knew were gone, as in, no longer working for the Company or within it, the INFORMATION regarding the location of the DERELICT, JUST THE INFORMATION ALONE, and simply possessing that information alone, you are a made man. There is no way to tie any responsibility to those possessing it to the Special Order, if you are selling THE INFORMATION. That alone is next to priceless. Whoever knew, could and would obviously sell it, if the COMPANY wasn't interested. In fact, those who knew could simply quit their roles in the Company and start their own, using that information as means to attract an investor. This type of thing happens all the time. The individuals are NOT responsible for the actions of their respective companies. The CREW EXPENDIBLE part, the potential manslaughter charge cannot apply to those selling the information, regardless of laws. Plus no one would want any record of that information being sold, or risk losing their claim, and there would be no need for that kind of disclosure. So, the information itself, the fact that someone out there knows about the Derelict is all you need to know, to justify filling in blanks with any behind the scenes scenario.
To simplify that and just say "You're saying The Company got on board and planted the egg..." is silly, because those are specifics to something to which there are no available specifics apart from what is and isn't already known. So I'm not saying any specific thing happened, beyond the fact that since the information regarding the whereabouts of intelligent life was known by someone, that it is 99.9% harder to justify that information being null and void, than it is to justify saying SOMEONE was still after this, or at least sitting on the information for whatever reason.
As for RIPLEY, of course they would want to know if she was dead or lost in space, because she could spill the beans, so better of lost in space... Next she shows up and they bury it...Surely, just because those who knew were older and retired doesn't warrant saying that they don't have nieces and nephews in their old positions and have passed on info. That's a weak justification. Especially since THOSE WHO KNEW, may not even be telling anyone how or why this effects their decision making. Why should they?
So I'm saying, what makes no sense then, is that the DERELICT should be considered lost after the events in ALIEN. Thats all.
And the simple fact that midquels could easily be written surrounding the derelict, b/w ALIEN and ALIENS, without rendering ALIENS useless, is the proof of that. Furthermore, it is just frankly naive to think, anyone with this type of info, and no legal responsibility would not try and sell it. Shit maybe the need to be so hush, hush is what is taking so long. I dunno. Im not writing a movie I'm just illustrating the potential.
Do you mean to suggest that no one could write a logical midquel operating on this idea, without making ALIENS seem useless? Because it seems like whatever failure repeated attempts to gather the alien, there may have been, even if their weren't any, ALIENS could and should still start the same way. Plus, the FINDING of RIPLEY in space, would also be a logical catalyst for any new paranoia from those who knew...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 06, 2011, 05:23:15 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 06, 2011, 05:23:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
How can they 'work' if they're insane and insulting? Any theory that actually worked would be the exact opposite.
Then no theory works. Easy correction.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 06, 2011, 06:01:47 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jun 06, 2011, 06:01:47 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 05:16:09 AMQuote from: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2011, 06:06:17 AMQuote from: CainsSon on Jun 03, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
Simple. During and after the Nostromo's encounter in ALIEN there are those in the Company, who knew about the alien, lets call those people IN THE KNOW, because it is too valuable a thing to tell everyone who works for you.
This part I agree with, since through numerous threads and facts we already established it was an off the book thing made by one or few individualsQuoteThe information of how to locate and cofirm Alien life alone is priceless. So, after the Nostromo disappears, those IN THE KNOW, need a new plan. Who knows what it is or was, all we know is 57 years later, there is this 'Shake and bake' colony there....Terraforming. Who knows why. maybe those IN THE KNOW were setting them up slowly, maybe be not, but they are there and so is the Derelict... Point is, it is absurd to just imagine that the Comapny gave up and kept quiet about the Derelict.
Its not absurd at all. Once Nostromo dissapears, no suit wants to be prosecuted for conspiracy and dissapearance and possible deaths of an entire crew, nevermind trying to pass the quarantine and patent laws by acquiring aliens. People IN THE KNOW would stay low and pray no one ever ties all this to them, an illegal plan that went terribly wrong and an order planted which made clear the life of the crew didnt countQuoteSo she tells this guy Burke and other Company people who ARE NOT IN THE KNOW and it gets back to the Company. Or maybe they didnt find her by accident. Point is, those IN THE KNOW, know whats going on. Now obviously since the information alone is so valuable, people like BURKE are not IN THE KNOW.
Burke knows nothing and the movie made it clear. The people IN THE KNOW by that point are either dead or out of the office. Burke was the only one who gave at least some credibility to what Ripley was saying. Maybe not credibility, but decided to ask some colony hicks to check out the place where Ripley said the derelict was. He acted aloneQuoteThose IN THE KNOW were around. Maybe they were characters we saw, maybe they were one step ahead or behind...but they got that egg on that ship. Possibly after RIpley was already in hypersleep.
It makes no sense for someone to haunt Ripley and not care about the alien. Youre basically saying someone followed Sulaco and docked in the bay and planted the egg. Makes no sense whatsoever on many, many levels
There must be some mis-communication. I'm not SAYING anything concrete. I'm not saying BURKE knew anything at all. I'm saying he didn't know. No one in ALIENS knew, at least, no one had too. It is absurd to think anyone but those who NEEDED to KNOW, EVER KNEW and that there was any paper trail or reason for them to need to wipe their hands of any of it. First off, they could just claim negligence, if it did come up. How could they have known what the Alien was gonna do to them? Second, they were contracted to investigate. Third, why would anyone put the crew expendable thing in print?! That would be next to retarded. It's like writing a letter detailing the way you are willing to kill the rest of your team if you lose a patent. So furthermore, I'm saying there likely was nothing for them to be responsible for since they would have to be retarded to create any paper trail to begin with and you've also overlooked my biggest point: Even if those who knew were gone, as in, no longer working for the Company or within it, the INFORMATION regarding the location of the DERELICT, JUST THE INFORMATION ALONE, and simply possessing that information alone, you are a made man. There is no way to tie any responsibility to those possessing it to the Special Order, if you are selling THE INFORMATION. That alone is next to priceless. Whoever knew, could and would obviously sell it, if the COMPANY wasn't interested. In fact, those who knew could simply quit their roles in the Company and start their own, using that information as means to attract an investor. This type of thing happens all the time. The individuals are NOT responsible for the actions of their respective companies. The CREW EXPENDIBLE part, the potential manslaughter charge cannot apply to those selling the information, regardless of laws. Plus no one would want any record of that information being sold, or risk losing their claim, and there would be no need for that kind of disclosure. So, the information itself, the fact that someone out there knows about the Derelict is all you need to know, to justify filling in blanks with any behind the scenes scenario.
To simplify that and just say "You're saying The Company got on board and planted the egg..." is silly, because those are specifics to something to which there are no available specifics apart from what is and isn't already known. So I'm not saying any specific thing happened, beyond the fact that since the information regarding the whereabouts of intelligent life was known by someone, that it is 99.9% harder to justify that information being null and void, than it is to justify saying SOMEONE was still after this, or at least sitting on the information for whatever reason.
As for RIPLEY, of course they would want to know if she was dead or lost in space, because she could spill the beans, so better of lost in space... Next she shows up and they bury it...Surely, just because those who knew were older and retired doesn't warrant saying that they don't have nieces and nephews in their old positions and have passed on info. That's a weak justification. Especially since THOSE WHO KNEW, may not even be telling anyone how or why this effects their decision making. Why should they?
So I'm saying, what makes no sense then, is that the DERELICT should be considered lost after the events in ALIEN. Thats all.
And the simple fact that midquels could easily be written surrounding the derelict, b/w ALIEN and ALIENS, without rendering ALIENS useless, is the proof of that. Furthermore, it is just frankly naive to think, anyone with this type of info, and no legal responsibility would not try and sell it. Shit maybe the need to be so hush, hush is what is taking so long. I dunno. Im not writing a movie I'm just illustrating the potential.
Do you mean to suggest that no one could write a logical midquel operating on this idea, without making ALIENS seem useless? Because it seems like whatever failure repeated attempts to gather the alien, there may have been, even if their weren't any, ALIENS could and should still start the same way. Plus, the FINDING of RIPLEY in space, would also be a logical catalyst for any new paranoia from those who knew...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 06, 2011, 06:10:38 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 06, 2011, 06:10:38 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 06, 2011, 05:23:15 AMQuote from: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
How can they 'work' if they're insane and insulting? Any theory that actually worked would be the exact opposite.
Then no theory works. Easy correction.
Not 100%.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 06, 2011, 06:17:11 AM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 06, 2011, 06:17:11 AM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jun 06, 2011, 06:25:05 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jun 06, 2011, 06:25:05 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 05:16:09 AMSchiddy wall.Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2011, 06:06:17 AMQuote from: CainsSon on Jun 03, 2011, 05:49:31 AM
Simple. During and after the Nostromo's encounter in ALIEN there are those in the Company, who knew about the alien, lets call those people IN THE KNOW, because it is too valuable a thing to tell everyone who works for you.
This part I agree with, since through numerous threads and facts we already established it was an off the book thing made by one or few individualsQuoteThe information of how to locate and cofirm Alien life alone is priceless. So, after the Nostromo disappears, those IN THE KNOW, need a new plan. Who knows what it is or was, all we know is 57 years later, there is this 'Shake and bake' colony there....Terraforming. Who knows why. maybe those IN THE KNOW were setting them up slowly, maybe be not, but they are there and so is the Derelict... Point is, it is absurd to just imagine that the Comapny gave up and kept quiet about the Derelict.
Its not absurd at all. Once Nostromo dissapears, no suit wants to be prosecuted for conspiracy and dissapearance and possible deaths of an entire crew, nevermind trying to pass the quarantine and patent laws by acquiring aliens. People IN THE KNOW would stay low and pray no one ever ties all this to them, an illegal plan that went terribly wrong and an order planted which made clear the life of the crew didnt countQuoteSo she tells this guy Burke and other Company people who ARE NOT IN THE KNOW and it gets back to the Company. Or maybe they didnt find her by accident. Point is, those IN THE KNOW, know whats going on. Now obviously since the information alone is so valuable, people like BURKE are not IN THE KNOW.
Burke knows nothing and the movie made it clear. The people IN THE KNOW by that point are either dead or out of the office. Burke was the only one who gave at least some credibility to what Ripley was saying. Maybe not credibility, but decided to ask some colony hicks to check out the place where Ripley said the derelict was. He acted aloneQuoteThose IN THE KNOW were around. Maybe they were characters we saw, maybe they were one step ahead or behind...but they got that egg on that ship. Possibly after RIpley was already in hypersleep.
It makes no sense for someone to haunt Ripley and not care about the alien. Youre basically saying someone followed Sulaco and docked in the bay and planted the egg. Makes no sense whatsoever on many, many levels
First, Im not trying to make anyone feel stupid. I'm just maybe plagued by a realism that gives way to cynicism, especially when it concerns Capitalism. Thing is, Im really not the first to decifer that cynical representation of Capitalism as a big part of the Alien franchise. So maybe, I'm just seeing something logical to that cynicism that others less fixated on Capitalist corruption would easily ignore. Plus I admit that the way these things are implied in subtext is one of the most brilliant things about this series and is the one constant in the subtext throughout all 4 films,...
There must be some mis-communication. I'm not SAYING anything concrete. I'm not saying BURKE knew anything at all. I'm saying he didn't know. No one in ALIENS knew, at least, no one had too. It is absurd to think anyone but those who NEEDED to KNOW, EVER KNEW and that there was any paper trail or reason for them to need to wipe their hands of any of it. First off, they could just claim negligence, if it did come up. How could they have known what the Alien was gonna do to them? Second, they were contracted to investigate. Third, why would anyone put the crew expendable thing in print?! That would be next to retarded. It's like writing a letter detailing the way you are willing to kill the rest of your team if you lose a patent. So furthermore, I'm saying there likely was nothing for them to be responsible for since they would have to be retarded to create any paper trail to begin with and you've also overlooked my biggest point: Even if those who knew were gone, as in, no longer working for the Company or within it, the INFORMATION regarding the location of the DERELICT, JUST THE INFORMATION ALONE, and simply possessing that information alone, you are a made man. There is no way to tie any responsibility to those possessing it to the Special Order, if you are selling THE INFORMATION. That alone is next to priceless. Whoever knew, could and would obviously sell it, if the COMPANY wasn't interested. In fact, those who knew could simply quit their roles in the Company and start their own, using that information as means to attract an investor. This type of thing happens all the time. The individuals are NOT responsible for the actions of their respective companies. The CREW EXPENDIBLE part, the potential manslaughter charge cannot apply to those selling the information, regardless of laws. Plus no one would want any record of that information being sold, or risk losing their claim, and there would be no need for that kind of disclosure. So, the information itself, the fact that someone out there knows about the Derelict is all you need to know, to justify filling in blanks with any behind the scenes scenario.
To simplify that and just say "You're saying The Company got on board and planted the egg..." is silly, because those are specifics to something to which there are no available specifics apart from what is and isn't already known. So I'm not saying any specific thing happened, beyond the fact that since the information regarding the whereabouts of intelligent life was known by someone, that it is 99.9% harder to justify that information being null and void, than it is to justify saying SOMEONE was still after this, or at least sitting on the information for whatever reason.
As for RIPLEY, of course they would want to know if she was dead or lost in space, because she could spill the beans, so better of lost in space... Next she shows up and they bury it...Surely, just because those who knew were older and retired doesn't warrant saying that they don't have nieces and nephews in their old positions and have passed on info. That's a weak justification. Especially since THOSE WHO KNEW, may not even be telling anyone how or why this effects their decision making. Why should they?
So I'm saying, what makes no sense then, is that the DERELICT should be considered lost after the events in ALIEN. Thats all.
And the simple fact that midquels could easily be written surrounding the derelict, b/w ALIEN and ALIENS, without rendering ALIENS useless, is the proof of that. Furthermore, it is just frankly naive to think, anyone with this type of info, and no legal responsibility would not try and sell it. Shit maybe the need to be so hush, hush is what is taking so long. I dunno. Im not writing a movie I'm just illustrating the potential.
Do you mean to suggest that no one could write a logical midquel operating on this idea, without making ALIENS seem useless? Because it seems like whatever failure repeated attempts to gather the alien, there may have been, even if their weren't any, ALIENS could and should still start the same way. Plus, the FINDING of RIPLEY in space, would also be a logical catalyst for any new paranoia from those who knew...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jun 06, 2011, 07:12:38 AM
Post by: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jun 06, 2011, 07:12:38 AM
I can't even imagine reading that.
I get the feeling theres no pay off, might be a good argument but I'll never know.
I get the feeling theres no pay off, might be a good argument but I'll never know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jun 06, 2011, 07:16:43 AM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jun 06, 2011, 07:16:43 AM
There's no such thing as a good argument in a pointless topic. I mean, it's fun to check in here and see what cooky things some people actually believe the filmmakers intended (which in this case was nothing), but schiddy walls aren't very nice on the eyes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: keylight-di on Jun 06, 2011, 07:46:21 AM
Post by: keylight-di on Jun 06, 2011, 07:46:21 AM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jun 06, 2011, 07:16:43 AM
There's no such thing as a good argument in a pointless topic. I mean, it's fun to check in here and see what cooky things some people actually believe the filmmakers intended (which in this case was nothing), but schiddy walls aren't very nice on the eyes.
Indeed. I'm second that... Funny thing this thread... ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Infected on Jun 06, 2011, 07:56:16 PM
Post by: Infected on Jun 06, 2011, 07:56:16 PM
There never was an egg on the Sulaco that thing you see sticking and hanging on the wall is just there for that disgusting piece of movie they call Alien 3 >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Basher917 on Jun 06, 2011, 08:16:33 PM
Post by: Basher917 on Jun 06, 2011, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: Infected on Jun 06, 2011, 07:56:16 PMalien3 wasn't that bad, it makes a point that the aliens are made for survival, and how the queen managed to bring/make an egg on the sulaco as a last second resort for the survival of the species
There never was an egg on the Sulaco that thing you see sticking and hanging on the wall is just there for that disgusting piece of movie they call Alien 3 >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 08:25:39 PM
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Cap. Fitzgerald on Jun 06, 2011, 07:12:38 AM
I can't even imagine reading that.
I get the feeling theres no pay off, might be a good argument but I'll never know.
Right; you'll never know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jun 06, 2011, 07:16:43 AM
There's no such thing as a good argument in a pointless topic. I mean, it's fun to check in here and see what cooky things some people actually believe the filmmakers intended (which in this case was nothing), but schiddy walls aren't very nice on the eyes.
I never said the filmakers intended that. I've simply said it's logical that the information didn't disappear, and that the proof lies in the potential for a midquel. If there was no possible way than you would all have a snap, reflex reason why a midquel to ALIEN and ALIENS that involves the further investigation of the derelict is impossible and that's just not the case. It couldn't be any more possible. Indeed, the Derelict has been altered in ALIENS since ALIEN, so there is something else, that can be built upon as evidence that something else may have occurred.
So lets just restate the question then. I don't mind. What reason is there to justify saying there cannot be a Derelict oriented Midquel between ALIEN and ALIENS? Furthermore, how can that potential story NOT POSSIBLY relate the events in ALIEN3?
The answer is simple: with a little imagination, they easily can.
Thats not the same as saying the filmakers intended you to realize that, it's just to say that they intended to continue the series without Ripley, and that is apparent by it's beginning. Also that is actually a fact. At first, they wanted A3 without Ripley and for her to return in 4, but the studio insisted on Ripley's return and she said kill me off so they figured they'd reverse it and continue without Ripley after 3...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 08:37:26 PM
Post by: CainsSon on Jun 06, 2011, 08:37:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 06, 2011, 06:10:38 AMQuote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 06, 2011, 05:23:15 AMQuote from: SM on Jun 05, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
How can they 'work' if they're insane and insulting? Any theory that actually worked would be the exact opposite.
Then no theory works. Easy correction.
Not 100%.
Well I actually agree with you here. I'm not saying there's any way to be sure. I'm just saying that as long as there is the potential for stories between Alien and Aliens, especially ones that further address the attempt to make contact with the Derelict, that there is the potential to explain that egg. That's all. Just saying the potential is there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 06, 2011, 10:07:28 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 06, 2011, 10:07:28 PM
I don't see how events in between Alien and Aliens culminate in an egg on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jun 08, 2011, 06:40:08 AM
Post by: stephen on Jun 08, 2011, 06:40:08 AM
I agree with SM.
I've also stated my theory on the egg before.
Someone else made a comment regarding what people think the film makers intended in making alien 3 in relation to the egg.
Let me be clear: I in no way believe that my theory is what the film makers intended. The film makers intended something quite different. And given the production problems of Alien 3 - the egg on the sulaco was a plot device pure and simple.
However, I am a fan of the franchise. So much so I've written fan fiction. I grew up with these films. I LIKE trying to explain plot holes. Call it a hobby.
To date, I have yet to see a theory about the egg that is PLAUSIBLE apart from my own. Correction, there's probably one more theory. Forgive me if i sound conceited because reading this back I even sound conceited to myself.
So out of all the theories that have come and gone, i've only known of 2 that are halfway plausible. The rest are just too far fetched.
I've also stated my theory on the egg before.
Someone else made a comment regarding what people think the film makers intended in making alien 3 in relation to the egg.
Let me be clear: I in no way believe that my theory is what the film makers intended. The film makers intended something quite different. And given the production problems of Alien 3 - the egg on the sulaco was a plot device pure and simple.
However, I am a fan of the franchise. So much so I've written fan fiction. I grew up with these films. I LIKE trying to explain plot holes. Call it a hobby.
To date, I have yet to see a theory about the egg that is PLAUSIBLE apart from my own. Correction, there's probably one more theory. Forgive me if i sound conceited because reading this back I even sound conceited to myself.
So out of all the theories that have come and gone, i've only known of 2 that are halfway plausible. The rest are just too far fetched.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jun 08, 2011, 10:33:57 AM
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jun 08, 2011, 10:33:57 AM
I think the egg teleported itself or was teleported there if the queen didn't bring it aboard physically
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OWLF on Jun 08, 2011, 04:51:02 PM
Post by: OWLF on Jun 08, 2011, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jun 08, 2011, 10:33:57 AM...Or maybe it walked there...
I think the egg teleported itself or was teleported there if the queen didn't bring it aboard physically
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 08, 2011, 04:52:56 PM
Post by: Sharp Sticks on Jun 08, 2011, 04:52:56 PM
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All Fox's horses and all the Fox's men,
Couldn't put Alien^3 together again.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All Fox's horses and all the Fox's men,
Couldn't put Alien^3 together again.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OWLF on Jun 08, 2011, 05:05:49 PM
Post by: OWLF on Jun 08, 2011, 05:05:49 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 08, 2011, 04:52:56 PM
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All Fox's horses and all the Fox's men,
Couldn't put Alien^3 together again.
Excellent!! Simply Excellent!! You nailed it Sticks!! :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mus on Jun 08, 2011, 06:52:52 PM
Post by: Mus on Jun 08, 2011, 06:52:52 PM
Who decided Humpty Dumpty is an egg anyway? It's never mentioned in the rhyme. Could've been a little child. Certainly puts a sinister twist on the story.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Basher917 on Jun 10, 2011, 04:19:04 AM
Post by: Basher917 on Jun 10, 2011, 04:19:04 AM
Quote from: Mus on Jun 08, 2011, 06:52:52 PM
Who decided Humpty Dumpty is an egg anyway? It's never mentioned in the rhyme. Could've been a little child. Certainly puts a sinister twist on the story.
....and the parents were in a pile of $**t without life insurance covering that deadbeat's smashed A**
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eidotemit on Jun 10, 2011, 05:08:59 AM
Post by: Eidotemit on Jun 10, 2011, 05:08:59 AM
I think were talking about the wrong egg now (or presumed egg, w.e).
So meanwhile on the Sulaco...
So meanwhile on the Sulaco...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AM
Well, my theory has always been that the quen laid an egg in the dropship so now one had seen her doing so, and then the suction from the opened bay sucked it up and made it stuck somewhere in this awkward position. Still, that doesnt explain why it was found afterwards. Theres no possible way in hell both Ripley and Bishop wouldve been completely stupid to not to check or scan the dropship and the ship for any more hidden aliens when Queen got in. Not a chance in life
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Dowly on Jun 10, 2011, 11:21:04 AM
Post by: Dowly on Jun 10, 2011, 11:21:04 AM
^
Unless the egg was heavy as hell, I don't see how it could've gone anywhere but towards the airlock and as already pointed out earlier, there's no structures near the airlock but the dropship.
Unless the egg was heavy as hell, I don't see how it could've gone anywhere but towards the airlock and as already pointed out earlier, there's no structures near the airlock but the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:37:06 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:37:06 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AMI also find it weird that the facehugger walked from the docking bay to the cryotubes, possibly opening every door on the way.
Well, my theory has always been that the quen laid an egg in the dropship so now one had seen her doing so, and then the suction from the opened bay sucked it up and made it stuck somewhere in this awkward position. Still, that doesnt explain why it was found afterwards. Theres no possible way in hell both Ripley and Bishop wouldve been completely stupid to not to check or scan the dropship and the ship for any more hidden aliens when Queen got in. Not a chance in life
Alien 3 ... like, whatever, man.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 10, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 10, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:37:06 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AMI also find it weird that the facehugger walked from the docking bay to the cryotubes, possibly opening every door on the way.
Well, my theory has always been that the quen laid an egg in the dropship so now one had seen her doing so, and then the suction from the opened bay sucked it up and made it stuck somewhere in this awkward position. Still, that doesnt explain why it was found afterwards. Theres no possible way in hell both Ripley and Bishop wouldve been completely stupid to not to check or scan the dropship and the ship for any more hidden aliens when Queen got in. Not a chance in life
Alien 3 ... like, whatever, man.
Might have gone through some sort of ventilation system?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:44:49 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: Sierra on Jun 10, 2011, 12:42:23 PMJust can't see it prising away duct covers and such. There's more outlandish stuff in that intro, anyway. Like the whole thing :)Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:37:06 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AMI also find it weird that the facehugger walked from the docking bay to the cryotubes, possibly opening every door on the way.
Well, my theory has always been that the quen laid an egg in the dropship so now one had seen her doing so, and then the suction from the opened bay sucked it up and made it stuck somewhere in this awkward position. Still, that doesnt explain why it was found afterwards. Theres no possible way in hell both Ripley and Bishop wouldve been completely stupid to not to check or scan the dropship and the ship for any more hidden aliens when Queen got in. Not a chance in life
Alien 3 ... like, whatever, man.
Might have gone through some sort of ventilation system?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 10, 2011, 12:54:45 PM
Post by: Vakarian on Jun 10, 2011, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:44:49 PMQuote from: Sierra on Jun 10, 2011, 12:42:23 PMJust can't see it prising away duct covers and such. There's more outlandish stuff in that intro, anyway. Like the whole thing :)Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 10, 2011, 12:37:06 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AMI also find it weird that the facehugger walked from the docking bay to the cryotubes, possibly opening every door on the way.
Well, my theory has always been that the quen laid an egg in the dropship so now one had seen her doing so, and then the suction from the opened bay sucked it up and made it stuck somewhere in this awkward position. Still, that doesnt explain why it was found afterwards. Theres no possible way in hell both Ripley and Bishop wouldve been completely stupid to not to check or scan the dropship and the ship for any more hidden aliens when Queen got in. Not a chance in life
Alien 3 ... like, whatever, man.
Might have gone through some sort of ventilation system?
Yeah me either, I mean i hate Alien 3 as much as the next guy but, just for arguments sake, One melted away Kane's space mask with acid, so who's saying it couldn't do that to duct covers?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: beb on Jun 13, 2011, 08:28:19 PM
Post by: beb on Jun 13, 2011, 08:28:19 PM
you know the bishop conspiracy i would love but since so much has happened in that franchise that is f22ked up ala newborn and the whole movie resurrection i believe it was a a hybrid egg that sprouted legs and walked onto the sulaco and just sat in wait then moved again lol this is my pissed off way of them not explaining it if anyone gets the joke
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jul 27, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jul 27, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
Ever thought someone in the company landed on the ship and planted it there?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 27, 2011, 11:54:35 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 27, 2011, 11:54:35 PM
The same Company that's so eager to get their mitts on an Alien at the end, simply plants one on a ship and leaves everything to chance...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jul 27, 2011, 11:56:17 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Jul 27, 2011, 11:56:17 PM
Quote from: Guts on Jul 27, 2011, 11:50:50 PMI don't think that was ever supposed to be thought by anybody.
Ever thought someone in the company landed on the ship and planted it there?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: maddriver on Jul 28, 2011, 07:17:25 AM
Post by: maddriver on Jul 28, 2011, 07:17:25 AM
The way I se it if the egg was shown to be attached to the hull of the dropship, no one would have had a problem with it. They can simply change the set at the beginning in a future release and everything would be okay.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 28, 2011, 07:24:43 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 28, 2011, 07:24:43 AM
If they cared they would've changed it on either of the DVD releases or the Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Snowdog on Aug 07, 2011, 09:52:58 PM
Post by: Snowdog on Aug 07, 2011, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: Guts on Jul 27, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
Ever thought someone in the company landed on the ship and planted it there?
Why the hell would they do that ??? If they had the eggs they could easily implant someone with an embryo. Wich made Ripley expendable. The company would have had the aliens for their special weapons division or whatever they wanted it for. And Ripley would have failed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Aug 08, 2011, 02:40:43 PM
Post by: wmmvrrvrrmm on Aug 08, 2011, 02:40:43 PM
I like to imagine that a space jockey teleported it onto the Sulaco seeing that an alien queen already got on board but got thrown out, he thought it would be okay to help the alien species along a bit
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Basher917 on Oct 30, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
Post by: Basher917 on Oct 30, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Aug 07, 2011, 09:52:58 PMor they could've studied the egg itselfQuote from: Guts on Jul 27, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
Ever thought someone in the company landed on the ship and planted it there?
Why the hell would they do that ??? If they had the eggs they could easily implant someone with an embryo. Wich made Ripley expendable. The company would have had the aliens for their special weapons division or whatever they wanted it for. And Ripley would have failed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mister Skeezler on Dec 16, 2011, 03:44:50 PM
Post by: Mister Skeezler on Dec 16, 2011, 03:44:50 PM
Not to get all Occam's Razor here, but the only life form capable of creating eggs was on the Sulaco.
There were two times where she was off camera: before she emerged from the landing gear and when she was searching for Newt.
If Batman can continually "disappear" when he's off camera, I can buy the Queen Alien sticking an egg somewhere while no one's looking.
And since this was a second or third generation egg through Earth organism impregnation, I can buy the idea that the xeno has adapted to allow two embryos in an impregnation. Human and canine (or ox, depending on the version) would not be very different from each other, from the perspective of the Xeno. All three are from the same mammalian evolutionary branch. Hell, I can even buy the idea that multiple impregnations have always been possible.
Anything else is just over thinking the issue, in my opinion...but it is part of being a fan.
There were two times where she was off camera: before she emerged from the landing gear and when she was searching for Newt.
If Batman can continually "disappear" when he's off camera, I can buy the Queen Alien sticking an egg somewhere while no one's looking.
And since this was a second or third generation egg through Earth organism impregnation, I can buy the idea that the xeno has adapted to allow two embryos in an impregnation. Human and canine (or ox, depending on the version) would not be very different from each other, from the perspective of the Xeno. All three are from the same mammalian evolutionary branch. Hell, I can even buy the idea that multiple impregnations have always been possible.
Anything else is just over thinking the issue, in my opinion...but it is part of being a fan.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 16, 2011, 10:32:55 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 16, 2011, 10:32:55 PM
QuoteThere were two times where she was off camera: before she emerged from the landing gear and when she was searching for Newt.
If Batman can continually "disappear" when he's off camera, I can buy the Queen Alien sticking an egg somewhere while no one's looking.
The fact that both Newt and Bishop WERE looking scuttles that theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 17, 2011, 01:05:18 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 17, 2011, 01:05:18 AM
And she didn't have enough time to produce an egg from somewhere and stick it up to the place where we see it and in that fashion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 17, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 17, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
She could've brought the egg with her or laid it en route, but yes there's no way for it to get where we see it in Alien3. Unless it's on the dropship - which while being my favourite theory, it don't look much like the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 17, 2011, 01:11:31 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 17, 2011, 01:11:31 AM
But again it might have been the drop ship since David Fincher changed the look of almost everything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Ghostface on Dec 17, 2011, 01:13:23 AM
Post by: Ghostface on Dec 17, 2011, 01:13:23 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 17, 2011, 01:07:26 AM
She could've brought the egg with her or laid it en route, but yes there's no way for it to get where we see it in Alien3. Unless it's on the dropship - which while being my favourite theory, it don't look much like the dropship.
I assume it was the dropship. I think the bluray menu also try and hint that too. While it seems to be the most plausable answer it still leaves a lot of area for doubt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BISHOP 93 on Dec 17, 2011, 01:15:03 PM
Post by: BISHOP 93 on Dec 17, 2011, 01:15:03 PM
Arent gearbox working on a way for the egg to get on the drop ship in aliens:CM?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 17, 2011, 02:47:53 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 17, 2011, 02:47:53 PM
Yes, they're trying to fix the plothole and possible provide us with a logical answer.
Possibly.
Possibly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mister Skeezler on Dec 17, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
Post by: Mister Skeezler on Dec 17, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
There will never be an answer to this debate that all fans will agree on. It's cool that they're going to try, but I can't see it really solving anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Snowdog on Dec 17, 2011, 10:49:01 PM
Post by: Snowdog on Dec 17, 2011, 10:49:01 PM
Won't solve anything for most people. But it is really interesting to see their take on it right? :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 18, 2011, 05:50:59 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 18, 2011, 05:50:59 AM
Quote from: BISHOP 93 on Dec 17, 2011, 01:15:03 PM
Arent gearbox working on a way for the egg to get on the drop ship in aliens:CM?
I wouldn't trust ironing out filmic errors to guys who said the colony survived the AP Station explosion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Spider-pope on Dec 23, 2011, 08:48:10 PM
Post by: Spider-pope on Dec 23, 2011, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AM
Theres no possible way in hell both Ripley and Bishop wouldve been completely stupid to not to check or scan the dropship and the ship for any more hidden aliens when Queen got in. Not a chance in life
This of course being the same Ripley who didnt notice the Alien asleep on a frickin' shelf until stripping off in the first film, who failed to notice a Dog Alien creeping up behind her Prison Doctor boyfriend while chatting to him. Face it, Ripley just isnt that observant.
Quote from: Guts on Jul 27, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
Ever thought someone in the company landed on the ship and planted it there?
Which would make no sense at all. If the Company could get their hands on an egg to use in an overly elaborate plan to silence any witnesses, they they could get their hands on eggs to study. Which completely negates the point of trying to get hold of Ripley at the end.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 23, 2011, 08:55:50 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 23, 2011, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 10, 2011, 07:24:39 AMYou put a really strong point. Now I think there might have been an Alien on board.
Well, my theory has always been that the quen laid an egg in the dropship so now one had seen her doing so, and then the suction from the opened bay sucked it up and made it stuck somewhere in this awkward position. Still, that doesnt explain why it was found afterwards. Theres no possible way in hell both Ripley and Bishop wouldve been completely stupid to not to check or scan the dropship and the ship for any more hidden aliens when Queen got in. Not a chance in life
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 23, 2011, 09:03:40 PM
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 23, 2011, 09:03:40 PM
As we saw in Aliens, she needs that biomass of an apparatus to lay those facehugger eggs. She obviously did not take that with her. So... how exactly did she lay the egg in the landing gear of the dropship without it? In any case, for Ripley not to notice such a thing really makes her look like a moron considering what happened before on the Nostromo's escape ship. There's also the little problem of proximity. As we've seen before, eggs only hatch when people are within a couple feet of them, and I am pretty sure the landing bay and the sleep chamber aren't even remotely close to each other.
What this is about is trying to mitigate the stupid circumstances surrounding the set up for Alien 3, and even though I've never been a fan of the Alien series, I think it doesn't work at all. It's vapid to try and mitigate the obnoxious and pointless off-screen killings of critical main characters.
What this is about is trying to mitigate the stupid circumstances surrounding the set up for Alien 3, and even though I've never been a fan of the Alien series, I think it doesn't work at all. It's vapid to try and mitigate the obnoxious and pointless off-screen killings of critical main characters.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Dec 23, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Dec 23, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 18, 2011, 05:50:59 AMThey're frigging company guys...Quote from: BISHOP 93 on Dec 17, 2011, 01:15:03 PM
Arent gearbox working on a way for the egg to get on the drop ship in aliens:CM?
I wouldn't trust ironing out filmic errors to guys who said the colony survived the AP Station explosion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Bamozore on Dec 24, 2011, 05:20:36 AM
Post by: Bamozore on Dec 24, 2011, 05:20:36 AM
I don't know why Fox doesn't change the begining of Alien3 with actual CGI for the Blu Ray release ...
The eggs is not in the Dropship , he is in the Sulaco's sub floor ... But where exactly ? :-\
The eggs is not in the Dropship , he is in the Sulaco's sub floor ... But where exactly ? :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 02:30:31 PM
The egg on the sulaco is obviously a massive talking point at the begining of the film.
I have always thought that the paceing of the intrduction to tye film kind of tacks up the slack of what was happening.
If you ignore the pace of the film then there are certainly several points to discuss:
1. The size of the egg.
2. The location. Despite what has been said it isn't the drop ship.
3. The gestation period of the facehugger on ripley.
4. The colour of the facehugger on the sulaco doesn't match the queen facehugger on the assembly cut.
5. How did it travel on the eev.
6. How did the facehugger avoid detection from the prisoners. Did it simply allow spike to pick it up in the eev or was it inpregnated on the eev. Wity the temprature dropping outside would the facehugger be able to protect its host
I have always thought that the paceing of the intrduction to tye film kind of tacks up the slack of what was happening.
If you ignore the pace of the film then there are certainly several points to discuss:
1. The size of the egg.
2. The location. Despite what has been said it isn't the drop ship.
3. The gestation period of the facehugger on ripley.
4. The colour of the facehugger on the sulaco doesn't match the queen facehugger on the assembly cut.
5. How did it travel on the eev.
6. How did the facehugger avoid detection from the prisoners. Did it simply allow spike to pick it up in the eev or was it inpregnated on the eev. Wity the temprature dropping outside would the facehugger be able to protect its host
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 02:30:31 PMYeah, most of it has already been discussed in the previous pages.
The egg on the sulaco is obviously a massive talking point at the begining of the film.
I have always thought that the paceing of the intrduction to tye film kind of tacks up the slack of what was happening.
If you ignore the pace of the film then there are certainly several points to discuss:
1. The size of the egg.
2. The location. Despite what has been said it isn't the drop ship.
3. The gestation period of the facehugger on ripley.
4. The colour of the facehugger on the sulaco doesn't match the queen facehugger on the assembly cut.
5. How did it travel on the eev.
6. How did the facehugger avoid detection from the prisoners. Did it simply allow spike to pick it up in the eev or was it inpregnated on the eev. Wity the temprature dropping outside would the facehugger be able to protect its host
1. Though the egg seems small in size, we don't exactly have any direct reference point to compare the size. It might have been a regular egg, after all.
2. The location, could be anywhere.
The Alien Anthology menus depict the egg to be in the drop ship, but in a different position, not like what we see in the movie.
3. Logically, the gestation period should be the same as any other Alien. But it seems, in the movie, that it is roughly around a week.
4. The Facehugger we see in the movie is a regular Facehugger. The movie never implies that it was a different kind of a Facehugger.
5. We're expected to believe that the Facehugger was already impregnating someone when the EEV was launched. So it was there all along.
6. Now the last question cannot be answered since the movie doesn't give us any information. I think the Facehugger impregnated the dog just near the wreckage since all of the people had left and the Facehugger desperately needed a new host for the protection of the Queen embryo.
I can't say anything about the temperature thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 08:08:33 PM
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 08:08:33 PM
does anyone think any of this was discussed during post production??
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:46:03 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:46:03 PM
Yes. Even if they were filming even if the script wasn't complete, they might have discussed this.
But they didn't put enough thought into anything at all, since they didn't get time and weren't really allowed to since Fox was being mean and bossy.
But they didn't put enough thought into anything at all, since they didn't get time and weren't really allowed to since Fox was being mean and bossy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
I agree with with Fox owner said that they should cut the scene from the theatrical version of the alien being captured because it appears to decrease the mythical elements and power of the beast. I just don't understand how the opening went unnoticed. In each of the different script ideas no explanation of how alien/aliens arrived on the Sulaco etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 08:51:54 PM
I think that they felt it would be cool to keep the beginning a complete suspense and give out limited and misdirecting information.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 08:55:13 PM
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 08:55:13 PM
it certainly a hash of an edit, lots of cuts. Ive noticed that the Sulaco doesn't look like the craft from the previous film, plus the cryo tubes are different. (I do like the film by the way.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Dec 24, 2011, 08:57:08 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Dec 24, 2011, 08:57:08 PM
Those were both creative liberties taken by Fincher.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:00:24 PM
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:00:24 PM
what did you think when you first saw the egg etc???????????????
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 09:01:28 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:00:24 PM"Oh she stuck one up there!!"
what did you think when you first saw the egg etc???????????????
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
lol. I just thought that seems really small for an alien egg..................hold on how did it get there????????? oh no not ripleyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 09:06:57 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 24, 2011, 09:06:57 PM
Quote from: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:03:01 PMThis too.
lol. I just thought that seems really small for an alien egg..................hold on how did it get there????????? oh no not ripleyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I watched Alien3 numerous times and after every single time, I had newer questions in mind.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:11:48 PM
Post by: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:11:48 PM
I doubt the answers will ever be given. does anyone know of Ridley Scott's opinion of Alien 3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 25, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Dec 25, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:11:48 PMI've only heard him outright praise Aliens, and he generalised that the other sequels were "all good". His son actually worked on Alien 3 as a concept artist, and Ridley visited the set during filming and spoke to Fincher. He can be seen interviewed on the set in Alien Saga I believe (it's one of the docs, at least).
I doubt the answers will ever be given. does anyone know of Ridley Scott's opinion of Alien 3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 26, 2011, 04:27:08 AM
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 26, 2011, 04:27:08 AM
Quote from: bambi_burster on Dec 24, 2011, 09:00:24 PMI think you all know what I thought, but just in case you don't, I said "Bullshit". When the hell did she lay that? Before or after she was thrown out of the frickin' airlock? Because I'm pretty sure she didn't have the requisite ambulatory birthing apparatus or the time to lay an egg before impaling Bishop.
what did you think when you first saw the egg etc???????????????
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 07:11:39 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 07:11:39 AM
If she brought it with her, there was no need to lay it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
Which she didn't, as seen in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:29:37 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:29:37 AM
Alright lets just bug out and call it even. How about this. There was a theory of a gas that could morph humans into aliens. Lets just say when ripley whacked the queen upside the head with the loader the Queen had a bit of flatulence and farted out said gas. I mean come on, she is a weapon, thus her farts must also be weaponized. She was pretty big and it's not impossible that the gaseous concoction floated around for a bit before getting stuck to the ceiling somewhere else on the sulaco. Thus explaining how an egg could have magically appeared.
I mean come on, if the space jockey are as perverted as Ridley is making them out to be then they surely must have thought about this. Maybe the egg sack was just to control her flatulence so she could willfully place the eggs where she wanted them.
I mean come on, if the space jockey are as perverted as Ridley is making them out to be then they surely must have thought about this. Maybe the egg sack was just to control her flatulence so she could willfully place the eggs where she wanted them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 09:31:39 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 09:31:39 AM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
Which she didn't, as seen in the film.
You don't see her from behind after she leaves the nest.
As seen in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:32:16 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:32:16 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:29:37 AMI was just trying to eat some food. *sigh* :-X
Alright lets just call it even and bug out already. How about this. There was a theory of a gas that could morph humans into aliens. Lets just say when ripley whacked the queen upside the head with the loader the Queen had a bit of flatulence and farted out said gas. I mean come on, she is a weapon, thus her farts must also be weaponized.
QuoteYou don't see her from behind after she leaves the nest.Are you saying she kept an egg within her back pipes?
As seen in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 09:41:07 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 09:41:07 AM
Best place to protect it from the nasty woman with the big gun.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:48:57 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:48:57 AM
And how did could she stick it up there?
There, as in, the place we see in Alien3.
There, as in, the place we see in Alien3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:50:20 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:50:20 AM
Quote from: The XenoborgI was just trying to eat some food. *sigh* :-X
Are you saying she kept an egg within her back pipes?
So how's your food taste now? It's only logical to have a little stuck egg after having to tear off your egg sack.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:53:25 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:50:20 AMAte it anyway. :PQuote from: The XenoborgI was just trying to eat some food. *sigh* :-X
Are you saying she kept an egg within her back pipes?
So how's your food taste now? It's only logical to have a little stuck egg after having to tear off your egg sack.
I had this in mind too, while posting that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 09:55:25 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:48:57 AM
And howdidcould she stick it up there?
There, as in, the place we see in Alien3.
Kinda hard to answer since we don't know what that place is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:56:47 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:56:47 AM
Wait a minute, I remember seeing in drafts and production art that the egg has a tail... I always thought that was to root itself down but perhaps it walked itself over and up the wall?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:59:14 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:59:14 AM
Even if we knew, I don't know how she could have put it there, without any help.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:56:47 AMI keep seeing this 'Eggs can walk' thing. Can they really walk or something?
Wait a minute, I remember seeing in drafts and production art that the egg has a tail... I always thought that was to root itself down but perhaps it walked itself over and up the wall?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 10:01:32 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 10:01:32 AM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:59:14 AMNo idea but why the hell not? It's a better explanation that we got in the friggen 3rd movie.
Even if we knew, I don't know how she could have put it there, without any help.Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:56:47 AMI keep seeing this 'Eggs can walk' thing. Can they really walk or something?
Wait a minute, I remember seeing in drafts and production art that the egg has a tail... I always thought that was to root itself down but perhaps it walked itself over and up the wall?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 10:01:56 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 10:01:56 AM
Not that's ever been shown. Or even hinted it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 10:03:34 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 10:03:34 AM
Haha maybe the eggs flips over and the face hugger walks it over like a crab? Heck maybe the egg is just the face huggers shell. OMFG the facehugger is a hermit crab!
.... pffft.
edit: hey that could even solve the ampule thing. Maybe all the ampule are are face hugger shells. When this new form of pray shows up, (humans) they dump the cold jars for something more warm and cozy.
.... pffft.
edit: hey that could even solve the ampule thing. Maybe all the ampule are are face hugger shells. When this new form of pray shows up, (humans) they dump the cold jars for something more warm and cozy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 27, 2011, 10:01:56 AMAnd should never be.
Not that's ever been shown. Or even hinted it.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 10:01:32 AMWe have much better theories than that!Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 09:59:14 AMNo idea but why the hell not? It's a better explanation that we got in the friggen 3rd movie.
Even if we knew, I don't know how she could have put it there, without any help.Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:56:47 AMI keep seeing this 'Eggs can walk' thing. Can they really walk or something?
Wait a minute, I remember seeing in drafts and production art that the egg has a tail... I always thought that was to root itself down but perhaps it walked itself over and up the wall?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 09:50:20 AM(http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/2349q.jpg/)
It's only logical to have a little stuck egg after having to tear off your egg sack.
Whatever comes out of the Queen (from that place, what the arrow points at), you can't literally call it an egg, because it's small shapeless mass of mucus, which gradually grows and stiffens and acquires the egg form in the ovipositor. Look at the scene when Ripley shoots out the Queen's eggsack - they literally used yolks for developing eggs to fill the sack.
But whether can the unformed egg to mature without Queens ovipositor or not - it's unclear to me. I mean, I largely doubt this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 12:18:56 PM
Post by: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 12:18:56 PM
Who says the egg if fully developped when the queen laid it there. Maybe it was much much smaller and developed further on the ship into a full grown facehugger egg. could be right ?
Or maybe it was bishop all the time ::)
Or maybe it was bishop all the time ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Dirty Harry on Dec 27, 2011, 12:31:02 PM
Post by: Dirty Harry on Dec 27, 2011, 12:31:02 PM
The queen hides inside the landing gear compartment of the dropship.The inner structures had the "Sulaco" name because it´s his mothership.
The queen lays a undeveloped egg(the big abdome serves to mature them).
The Sulaco sensors array can not detect the egg because it´s hidden inside the dropship fuselage.
The queen dies,the crew go to the cryochambers.
The egg mature,the facehugger feels the presence of potential victims and leaves the egg to attack them.
The queen lays a undeveloped egg(the big abdome serves to mature them).
The Sulaco sensors array can not detect the egg because it´s hidden inside the dropship fuselage.
The queen dies,the crew go to the cryochambers.
The egg mature,the facehugger feels the presence of potential victims and leaves the egg to attack them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Dec 27, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Dec 27, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
There are countless explanations we can make up to explain this little egg appearing here. I could make up with, literally, anything I want. I could even say it was a teleporting magic squirrel that brought the egg here. Fact is, I don't think there's really a viable explanation that's reasonable context taken.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 12:43:22 PM
Post by: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 12:43:22 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 12:18:56 PM
Or maybe it was bishop all the time ::)
Oh, let Bishop rest in peace as a good guy, please! :D
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 12:18:56 PM
Maybe it was much much smaller and developed further on the ship into a full grown facehugger egg. could be right ?
Could be. But as I said before, the notion of the self-growing egg outside of the Queens egg sack doesn't sound quite solid to me... if only the sack wasn't purported to decelerate its content lest all the eggs hatched the superfacehuggers, lol... what is absurd...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 12:43:22 PMEh Bishop seemed all too happy to remote pilot the ship.... as if he had just done it 10 minutes ago.Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 12:18:56 PM
Or maybe it was bishop all the time ::)
Oh, let Bishop rest in peace as a good guy, please! :D
;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 27, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 27, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
By accepting that Bishop is the reason, youre accepting that:
1) Bishop got hold of an egg somehow. He couldnt get it in the lab because the lab only had facehuggers, not eggs. He also couldnt go into the hive - we see remotely piloting the dropship and he doesnt go anywhere else. Then Ripley goes into the hive, theres no Bishop there. He didnt follow her and even of he did somehow, Ripley blasted all the eggs anyway. And he couldnt land anywhere there anyway
2) He hid it on the dropship and went to pick up Ripley
3) They return to the Sulaco, land, then Bishop gets ripped in half by the queen
4) After the survivors (including Bishop) are in stasis, he somehow wakes up (despite the fact that Ripley programmed the tubes), drags himself out of the stasis chamber and drags himself to the dropship.
5) He then hauls himself aboard the dropship, finds his hiding spot for the egg, hauls it out of the dropship and into the armory on the Sulaco (an impressive feat with no legs and just 2 arms to move himself and the egg!)
6) He then somehow sticks it upside down under the table or something, whilst still basically just being an upper torso.
7) He then drags himself back to the stasis pods and climbs back in.
Its much easier to accept that the queen simply laid an egg while on Sulaco to ensure the survival of the species and the egg got sucked in in that position because of the air coming out through the airlock. This theory is also filled with holes but its still more logical and plausible
And I agree, Bishop was a good guy, let him rest in peace! :laugh:
1) Bishop got hold of an egg somehow. He couldnt get it in the lab because the lab only had facehuggers, not eggs. He also couldnt go into the hive - we see remotely piloting the dropship and he doesnt go anywhere else. Then Ripley goes into the hive, theres no Bishop there. He didnt follow her and even of he did somehow, Ripley blasted all the eggs anyway. And he couldnt land anywhere there anyway
2) He hid it on the dropship and went to pick up Ripley
3) They return to the Sulaco, land, then Bishop gets ripped in half by the queen
4) After the survivors (including Bishop) are in stasis, he somehow wakes up (despite the fact that Ripley programmed the tubes), drags himself out of the stasis chamber and drags himself to the dropship.
5) He then hauls himself aboard the dropship, finds his hiding spot for the egg, hauls it out of the dropship and into the armory on the Sulaco (an impressive feat with no legs and just 2 arms to move himself and the egg!)
6) He then somehow sticks it upside down under the table or something, whilst still basically just being an upper torso.
7) He then drags himself back to the stasis pods and climbs back in.
Its much easier to accept that the queen simply laid an egg while on Sulaco to ensure the survival of the species and the egg got sucked in in that position because of the air coming out through the airlock. This theory is also filled with holes but its still more logical and plausible
And I agree, Bishop was a good guy, let him rest in peace! :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 05:09:00 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 27, 2011, 04:59:26 PM
By accepting that Bishop is the reason, youre accepting that:
1) Bishop got hold of an egg somehow. He couldnt get it in the lab because the lab only had facehuggers, not eggs. He also couldnt go into the hive - we see remotely piloting the dropship and he doesnt go anywhere else. Then Ripley goes into the hive, theres no Bishop there. He didnt follow her and even of he did somehow, Ripley blasted all the eggs anyway. And he couldnt land anywhere there anyway
2) He hid it on the dropship and went to pick up Ripley
3) They return to the Sulaco, land, then Bishop gets ripped in half by the queen
4) After the survivors (including Bishop) are in stasis, he somehow wakes up (despite the fact that Ripley programmed the tubes), drags himself out of the stasis chamber and drags himself to the dropship.
5) He then hauls himself aboard the dropship, finds his hiding spot for the egg, hauls it out of the dropship and into the armory on the Sulaco (an impressive feat with no legs and just 2 arms to move himself and the egg!)
6) He then somehow sticks it upside down under the table or something, whilst still basically just being an upper torso.
7) He then drags himself back to the stasis pods and climbs back in.
Its much easier to accept that the queen simply laid an egg while on Sulaco to ensure the survival of the species and the egg got sucked in in that position because of the air coming out through the airlock. This theory is also filled with holes but its still more logical and plausible
And I agree, Bishop was a good guy, let him rest in peace! :laugh:
I am SO sure I have read the same thing before somewhere. May be earlier in this thread.
But well put, StrangeShape.
It cannot be Bishop. And shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 27, 2011, 05:24:23 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 27, 2011, 05:24:23 PM
You sure did. 2 years ago someone posted it here and I copied it ever since.
My theory is that the egg is in such weird position because the escaping air pulled it and stuck it this way. One problem remains, how did the queen lay an egg when Bishop and Newt were watching, and how didnt Ripley and Bishop check with bioscan for more alien organisms after finding out that one (Queen) stowed away, and how didnt they check the whole ship thoroughly after
My theory is that the egg is in such weird position because the escaping air pulled it and stuck it this way. One problem remains, how did the queen lay an egg when Bishop and Newt were watching, and how didnt Ripley and Bishop check with bioscan for more alien organisms after finding out that one (Queen) stowed away, and how didnt they check the whole ship thoroughly after
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 05:35:51 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 05:35:51 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 27, 2011, 05:24:23 PMI agree. I stick to this theory too. It could also reinforce the theories regarding its size: It was small enough to be picked up by the force of the vacuum.
You sure did. 2 years ago someone posted it here and I copied it ever since.
My theory is that the egg is in such weird position because the escaping air pulled it and stuck it this way.
QuoteOne problem remains, how did the queen lay an egg when Bishop and Newt were watching?This means that the egg was either brought separately and kept somewhere or the Queen laid it while en-route to the Sulaco and kept it somewhere or that the Queen brought it herself within her back-pipes and kept it in the landing gear.
Quotehow didnt Ripley and Bishop check with bioscan for more alien organisms after finding out that one (Queen) stowed away, and how didnt they check the whole ship thoroughly afterThey should have.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 06:53:53 PM
Post by: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 06:53:53 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 05:35:51 PMQuotehow didnt Ripley and Bishop check with bioscan for more alien organisms after finding out that one (Queen) stowed away, and how didnt they check the whole ship thoroughly afterThey should have.
Yes, knowing Ripley's meticulousness and the scope of detestation towards these species ("24 hours for decontamination", "nuke the entire site from the orbit") she certainly should have set on fire the landing deck and shove off the dropship into the outerspace, lol.
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 07:16:44 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 07:16:44 PM
Quote from: aliennaire on Dec 27, 2011, 06:53:53 PMMay be she was too tired :)
Yes, knowing Ripley's meticulousness and the scope of detestation towards these species ("24 hours for decontamination", "nuke the entire site from the orbit") she certainly should have set on fire the landing deck and shove off the dropship into the outerspace, lol.
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:08:17 PM
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:08:17 PM
Even IF the Queen laid the damn egg on the Sulaco, the vacuum of space would have sucked the damn thing out of there! It obviously was in a place where somebody could have seen it before entering hypersleep. In any case, Ripley, Bishop, Newt all would have logically seen the damn thing even before it was sucked out along with Queenie. Game... set... match...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:10:14 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:10:14 PM
It got stuck on some wall, and the force was pretty strong.
If only the air-lock was open for some more time, it would have violently been sucked out too.
That's what I think.
If only the air-lock was open for some more time, it would have violently been sucked out too.
That's what I think.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:12:40 PM
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:12:40 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:10:14 PMStill got to call bull on that. What? Did the Queen Queef it out onto the wall without... ANYBODY noticing? Sorry, no sale.
It got stuck on some wall, and the force was pretty strong.
If only the air-lock was open for some more time, it would have violently been sucked out too.
That's what I think.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:14:08 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:14:08 PM
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:12:40 PMThe Queen did no-.. Did you even read the previous page?Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:10:14 PMStill got to call bull on that. What? Did the Queen Queef it out onto the wall without... ANYBODY noticing? Sorry, no sale.
It got stuck on some wall, and the force was pretty strong.
If only the air-lock was open for some more time, it would have violently been sucked out too.
That's what I think.
The Queen did not.
Bishop did not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 11:29:51 PM
Bishop did it while the crew was on the bug hunt. First thing first. How did the egg get there before anyone figures out how the hell it got up a wall and why Ripley brainfarted... oh wait maybe bishop said he already scanned the area remotely... probably even used the unheard of sulaco computer voice. he he he.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcFnvULy8zA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcFnvULy8zA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcFnvULy8zA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcFnvULy8zA#ws)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:31:12 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:31:12 PM
The movie tells us, that he didn't say anything like that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 11:36:03 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 27, 2011, 11:36:03 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:31:12 PMThat king of logic is what allows sequels to fill in the blanks. So now we're back at magic. ;D
The movie tells us, that he didn't say anything like that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:37:51 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:37:51 PM
I think there was another Alien behind this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:41:39 PM
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:37:51 PMOr maybe Alien 3 is the Highlander 2 of the Alien series...
I think there was another Alien behind this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 11:46:55 PM
Post by: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 11:46:55 PM
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:41:39 PMQuote from: The Xenoborg on Dec 27, 2011, 11:37:51 PMOr maybe Alien 3 is the Highlander 2 of the Alien series...
I think there was another Alien behind this.
Now you're going way too far out of line :P . Alien3 is a great movie. I seriously don't get all the negativity around this movie. Yeah the whole production was kind of a hell itself. However this gives the movie a big behind the scenes story. Also the killing of certain characters sets the dark tone. In the alien universe there is no happy ending :laugh: I loved the whole darkish mood in alien3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:59:34 PM
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 27, 2011, 11:59:34 PM
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 11:46:55 PM;D
However this gives the movie a big behind
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 12:39:02 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 12:39:02 AM
Alien 3 was a good movie. Finch shouldn't be so depressed about it. However would it have killed them to take 5 minutes to explain how an egg got on board. Bishop should have just admitted that Burk order him to do it. Once a bot always a bot. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: mastermoon on Dec 28, 2011, 12:47:56 AM
Post by: mastermoon on Dec 28, 2011, 12:47:56 AM
It's so confusing how that egg got there in the first place, they did not explain how it was put in that spot?.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 01:03:35 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 01:03:35 AM
Quote from: mastermoon on Dec 28, 2011, 12:47:56 AMThat was finchy slapping fox in the face and giving all of us something to talk about for all eternity.
It's so confusing how that egg got there in the first place, they did not explain how it was put in that spot?.
However they're at least a dozen perfectly plausible ways the egg got there. The most logical is that bishop did it or the queen had it. It's just that too many will only accept the one that is put to screen. Meaning we just have to pick one and be happy.
I say bishop did it. He didn't circle around, the damn drop ship could hover perfectly fine. He knocked hicks the f**k out and headed straight for the derelict. Got TWO eggs and hurried his synthetic ass back to the atmospheric processing facility and thought holy shit she's alive. I mean come on there is no way Ripley, a mere human, should have made it back. That was exactly what Bishop was thinking. Upon which the company (Burk's) primary programming kicked in and that was to bring back the alien. Did anyone check burk's luggage? I bet he had a discontinued Ash in the closet.
edit: that or he traced burks id chip, since in the DC burk is seen alive and grabbed a couple of unburnt eggs. That would explain why the ship came up from BELOW the platform. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
There should be plenty of people who should have known the answer to WHERE the egg was. For one, the set designer, the people who did the set and people who shot it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 01:09:01 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 01:09:01 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:06:17 AMNot really. They only do what ever the hell the company orders them to do.
There should be plenty of people who should have known the answer to WHERE the egg was. For one, the set designer, the people who did the set and people who shot it
I think the biggest problem is that for whatever reason people, like me, wanted the happy ending. However the entire point of the Alien Franchise is that you are totally f**ked when you run into the species. Bishop stabbing Ripley in the back jives perfectly well here. The very same as killing off hicks and newt in the beginning.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:17:33 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:17:33 AM
Yeah but people who designed the place where the egg was had to know what theyre designing
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 01:30:39 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 01:30:39 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:17:33 AMMight as well look up the ships schematics. I think they do exist on line. Be easier than tracking down a set designer.
Yeah but people who designed the place where the egg was had to know what theyre designing
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 02:28:46 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 02:28:46 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 01:30:39 AMQuote from: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:17:33 AMMight as well look up the ships schematics. I think they do exist on line. Be easier than tracking down a set designer.
Yeah but people who designed the place where the egg was had to know what theyre designing
But thats the problem. NOTHING in Sulaco resembles the room where the egg is
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 28, 2011, 05:28:29 AM
Post by: Gunflyer on Dec 28, 2011, 05:28:29 AM
Quote from: Snowdog on Dec 27, 2011, 11:46:55 PMi don't think so... see, Newt died not to further the dramatic purpose of Alien 3, but solely for pathos. Hick's dying was for the same reason. Their deaths meant nothing and did not occur organically, it felt more like the result of contract negotiations that fell apart, and at the last minute they said "well, we can't get the people who played Hicks or Newt, so let's just kill them.".
Now you're going way too far out of line :P . Alien3 is a great movie.
That's pathetic. That's why it feels like Alien 3 pissed all over everything, but more specifically, what the fans consider to be the finest entry in the series.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 28, 2011, 05:38:47 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 28, 2011, 05:38:47 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 28, 2011, 01:06:17 AM
There should be plenty of people who should have known the answer to WHERE the egg was. For one, the set designer, the people who did the set and people who shot it
It's on the Sulaco. End of.
QuoteHowever they're at least a dozen perfectly plausible ways the egg got there.
There are many explanations. None hold any water.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 08:11:52 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 28, 2011, 08:11:52 AM
Sure they do. First one put to film wins. 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 28, 2011, 11:57:41 AM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Dec 28, 2011, 11:57:41 AM
If we could only where the egg was, it would have helped finding out who put it there.
We see 'SULACO' written on the panel behind the egg but we don't know how it got there and, still, what place is that on the Sulaco?
Some people, earlier in the thread said that it was in the dropship after all, since the dropship was of Sulaco, it would have its name on it.
We see 'SULACO' written on the panel behind the egg but we don't know how it got there and, still, what place is that on the Sulaco?
Some people, earlier in the thread said that it was in the dropship after all, since the dropship was of Sulaco, it would have its name on it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 29, 2011, 02:51:39 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 29, 2011, 02:51:39 AM
I've been putting that theory forward for year - since the APC has 'Sulaco' painted on it. Key difference is 'painted'. The 'Sulaco' in Alien3 isn't just painted on.
Ultimately there is no answer. They just wanted to make the audience know we were on the Sulaco (in case the huge writing on the side of the ship wasn't enough). Dropship still works for me (which is what they went with for the Alien3 blu ray menus) - but as I said, it holds as much water as other theories.
Ultimately there is no answer. They just wanted to make the audience know we were on the Sulaco (in case the huge writing on the side of the ship wasn't enough). Dropship still works for me (which is what they went with for the Alien3 blu ray menus) - but as I said, it holds as much water as other theories.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Primordial on Jul 23, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
Post by: Primordial on Jul 23, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
Here is an alternative theory to try to cover the eternal plothole (yes another one, I don't claim to hold the truth and my apologies if I disturb anyone :P) :
After Bishop was ripped into 2, the lower part of his body got eggmorphed. How can that be possible ?
First of all, it is just an assumption, but the egg seems smaller than "Brett's egg" and "Dallas egg " ( I assume the letters of S.U.L.A.C.O. are smaller than a human head) and the texture of "the Sulaco Egg" does not look the same.
An explanation could be that just half a body is used to make an egg and its different appearance is perhaps because Bishop is an android (of course, the most important thing is that the egg is viable over the appearance)
As a reminder, we don't know all the capabilities of the Alien and its lifecycle, not to mention the Queen. Scott said that Ash was 2/3 human. Bishop is a more recent model of android and is probably closer than that (although the inside of the body does not look too human with tubes etc). Has he got some kind of cells for some parts of his body, has he got DNA or not, and does the Alien absolutely need a lifeform with DNA to make an egg ? We don't know (or I missed something ?). He is maybe not a viable host for a facehugger but still could be cocooned. It is possible that the eggs found in the derelict came from a biomechanoid specie, if they were cocooned, why not a "synthetic" ?
How could he get eggmorphed provided that the Queen barely touches him before he gets halved ? The fact of being pierced by the tail might be sufficient but then why only the lower part got cocooned ? Remember when we see acid (only acid ?) driping near Bishop's shoe. This liquid could have been spread on the legs before he was cut off. Of course we were not focused on this but rather on the fact of him being lifted so high. This liquid could be part of the eggmorphing process.
Up to now, we know that Brett and Dallas were changed into an egg and they were put above ground, it means there must be sticky matter on them in order to do so. Maybe she put on him that sticky stuff with the little arms before ripping him off ? Or that liquid has also got some sticky proprieties ?
The Queen has such power that the legs flew quite far away (near the Airway "E3 D") and they could have landed and sticked above the ground on the location seen in the opening of A3. Around the egg, nothing which could suggest a lair, a hive, (like when Ripley locates her two cocooned partners before escaping in the Narcissus), because the Queen had no time to do her job.
What about the vacuum, was that "Alien glue" strong enough to counter it ? Or maybe the legs got stucked physically speaking ? Or both ?
As it was already said, considering Bishop and Ripley would scan and search every inch of he dropship and the Sulaco for any more aliens onboard, they possibly didn't think the legs got impregnated which is of course a mistake (this early stage of cocooned legs could have not been detected by the scan).
Just before hypersleep, Bishop is wrapped and I believe intestine tubes were too (the sort of aluminium foil on the location of the legs would be there to protect the intestine tubes)
In A3, when Ripley wants answers from him and takes the upper body, we don't see at all the lower part next to it..
In this theory, unfortunately there are many "maybe" or "could" , but please just don't tell me that in the novelization, they threw the legs into the trashcan of the Sulaco :laugh:
After Bishop was ripped into 2, the lower part of his body got eggmorphed. How can that be possible ?
First of all, it is just an assumption, but the egg seems smaller than "Brett's egg" and "Dallas egg " ( I assume the letters of S.U.L.A.C.O. are smaller than a human head) and the texture of "the Sulaco Egg" does not look the same.
An explanation could be that just half a body is used to make an egg and its different appearance is perhaps because Bishop is an android (of course, the most important thing is that the egg is viable over the appearance)
As a reminder, we don't know all the capabilities of the Alien and its lifecycle, not to mention the Queen. Scott said that Ash was 2/3 human. Bishop is a more recent model of android and is probably closer than that (although the inside of the body does not look too human with tubes etc). Has he got some kind of cells for some parts of his body, has he got DNA or not, and does the Alien absolutely need a lifeform with DNA to make an egg ? We don't know (or I missed something ?). He is maybe not a viable host for a facehugger but still could be cocooned. It is possible that the eggs found in the derelict came from a biomechanoid specie, if they were cocooned, why not a "synthetic" ?
How could he get eggmorphed provided that the Queen barely touches him before he gets halved ? The fact of being pierced by the tail might be sufficient but then why only the lower part got cocooned ? Remember when we see acid (only acid ?) driping near Bishop's shoe. This liquid could have been spread on the legs before he was cut off. Of course we were not focused on this but rather on the fact of him being lifted so high. This liquid could be part of the eggmorphing process.
Up to now, we know that Brett and Dallas were changed into an egg and they were put above ground, it means there must be sticky matter on them in order to do so. Maybe she put on him that sticky stuff with the little arms before ripping him off ? Or that liquid has also got some sticky proprieties ?
The Queen has such power that the legs flew quite far away (near the Airway "E3 D") and they could have landed and sticked above the ground on the location seen in the opening of A3. Around the egg, nothing which could suggest a lair, a hive, (like when Ripley locates her two cocooned partners before escaping in the Narcissus), because the Queen had no time to do her job.
What about the vacuum, was that "Alien glue" strong enough to counter it ? Or maybe the legs got stucked physically speaking ? Or both ?
As it was already said, considering Bishop and Ripley would scan and search every inch of he dropship and the Sulaco for any more aliens onboard, they possibly didn't think the legs got impregnated which is of course a mistake (this early stage of cocooned legs could have not been detected by the scan).
Just before hypersleep, Bishop is wrapped and I believe intestine tubes were too (the sort of aluminium foil on the location of the legs would be there to protect the intestine tubes)
In A3, when Ripley wants answers from him and takes the upper body, we don't see at all the lower part next to it..
In this theory, unfortunately there are many "maybe" or "could" , but please just don't tell me that in the novelization, they threw the legs into the trashcan of the Sulaco :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 23, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 23, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
His legs never rate a mention as far as I remember.
There's a good chance they got sucked out when Ripley decompressed the ship.
However those masters of continuity - Gearbox - have his legs magically flying over the airlock and landing on the other side to be found by some marines.
There's a good chance they got sucked out when Ripley decompressed the ship.
However those masters of continuity - Gearbox - have his legs magically flying over the airlock and landing on the other side to be found by some marines.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Primordial on Jul 25, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Post by: Primordial on Jul 25, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 23, 2012, 11:16:56 PM
There's a good chance they got sucked out when Ripley decompressed the ship.
Looked the decompression scene in detail and I don't see the legs flying. I agree without this sticky matter I was talking about (with "the egg was brought by the Queen" theory, the egg was still hanging), sure they would be in space kicking the Queen..And with a real life depressurization, I doubt Ripley would have made it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2012, 11:16:38 PM
If Gearbox were smart (*guffaw*) they could've included the legs, but have it so they were getting sucked out but hit the dropship landing gear balls first. For teh lulz.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Jul 25, 2012, 11:22:41 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Jul 25, 2012, 11:22:41 PM
It's because Randy Pitchford is a fanboy with a penchant for one-liners : /
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: robertmartin on Jul 28, 2012, 03:03:17 PM
Post by: robertmartin on Jul 28, 2012, 03:03:17 PM
this eternal question...has it ever been proposed to Fox? Or the Director? (I realize this question i ask is itself pretty stupid but i was wondering...).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2012, 12:00:13 AM
No.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 01:21:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 01:21:10 AM
I used to subscribe to the "legmorphing" theory myself (especially after reading the Gibson script), but after all these years I now believe that alien eggs can take root and sustain themselves on virtually any substance via the tendrils growing out of their base.
So my theory is that a premature egg oozed out of the queen's wound and into the landing bay's subflooring where it continued to grow until it could produce a viable facehugger.
So my theory is that a premature egg oozed out of the queen's wound and into the landing bay's subflooring where it continued to grow until it could produce a viable facehugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 03:53:20 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 03:53:20 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Sep 12, 2012, 01:21:10 AM
So my theory is that a premature egg oozed out of the queen's wound and into the landing bay's subflooring where it continued to grow until it could produce a viable facehugger.
With no one seeing it? When did the premature egg "ooze" out of the queen?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 03:57:13 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 03:57:13 AM
From the "wound" that the acid dripped from? I think?
I don't get it either...
I don't get it either...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:01:56 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:01:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 03:57:13 AM
From the "wound" that the acid dripped from? I think?
I think he means the queen's wound from tearing off the oviposter.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:16:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:16:14 AM
I do.
I figure the premature egg was little more than goo at that point, which would explain how it could seep under the floor grating and wind up positioned the way it was in the movie.
I figure the premature egg was little more than goo at that point, which would explain how it could seep under the floor grating and wind up positioned the way it was in the movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:19:23 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:19:23 AM
Well, that's certainly novel.
Why wouldn't it keep seeping through the grate onto the floor below?
Why wouldn't it keep seeping through the grate onto the floor below?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:23:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:23:41 AM
I imagine that it started to congeal at some point and that's where it ended up taking root.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:26:27 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:26:27 AM
Ok.
Feasible I suppose.
One assumes that the facehugger that bursts from this egg is capable of facehugging two hosts?
Feasible I suppose.
One assumes that the facehugger that bursts from this egg is capable of facehugging two hosts?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:28:54 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:28:54 AM
Fine with me. Maybe the queen instinctively pops out a queen egg when she knows her death is near. Seems legit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:30:54 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:30:54 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Sep 12, 2012, 04:28:54 AM
Fine with me. Maybe the queen instinctively pops out a queen egg when it death is near. Seems legit.
Well it would need to facehug two hosts because it would need to get Ripley and then it would need to get the dog.
So going by your theory, the egg that "congeals" into place and finally matures would hatch and then get ripley and then the dog.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:31:47 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:31:47 AM
srsly?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:33:43 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:33:43 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:31:47 AM
srsly?
I don't necessarly like it. I prefer mine.
I don't like the idea of eggs being "goo" - it just doesn't feel natural to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:35:37 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:35:37 AM
We all started out as gooey eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:37:21 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:37:21 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Sep 12, 2012, 04:35:37 AM
We all started out as gooey eggs.
Not like this.
Don't get me wrong, the idea is feasible in the fictional world of Alien but ultimately it doesn't sit right with me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:38:18 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:38:18 AM
I don't think it's remotely feasible, personally.
Why bother with the egg sac then? She can spread shoot out mini eggs where she please and they'll grow into proper eggs, and she won't be tied to the one spot.
Might as well just barf them down someones thro-
oh...
Why bother with the egg sac then? She can spread shoot out mini eggs where she please and they'll grow into proper eggs, and she won't be tied to the one spot.
Might as well just barf them down someones thro-
oh...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:39:44 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 12, 2012, 04:39:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:38:18 AM
I don't think it's remotely feasible, personally.
Why bother with the egg sac then? She can spread shoot out mini eggs where she please and they'll grow into proper eggs, and she won't be tied to the one spot.
Might as well just barf them down someones thro-
oh...
Well when you say it like that......
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:41:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:41:51 AM
Well, the egg sac would allow for the rapid production of fully functional eggs. This method would be much slower. Theoretically, a soldier alien could produce eggs the same way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:49:03 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:49:03 AM
Nah, egg morphing ftw.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 12, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Sep 12, 2012, 05:05:05 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:38:18 AM
I don't think it's remotely feasible, personally.
Why bother with the egg sac then? She can spread shoot out mini eggs where she please and they'll grow into proper eggs, and she won't be tied to the one spot.
Might as well just barf them down someones thro-
oh...
I just barfed down your throat.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Amaterasu on Sep 13, 2012, 04:24:04 AM
Post by: Amaterasu on Sep 13, 2012, 04:24:04 AM
If that ever happened, I'd be like "see ya" and leave. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: p1nk81cd on Sep 13, 2012, 12:38:11 PM
Post by: p1nk81cd on Sep 13, 2012, 12:38:11 PM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Sep 12, 2012, 04:28:54 AM
Fine with me. Maybe the queen instinctively pops out a queen egg when she knows her death is near. Seems legit.
Heh, you can almost hear the Queen saying this while she falls from the Sulaco.
"You think you have won, you think all is well. Well kiss my Xeno ass, I shall see you in hell!" ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Amaterasu on Sep 13, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
Post by: Amaterasu on Sep 13, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Runner on Sep 13, 2012, 12:38:11 PMQuote from: RaisingCane on Sep 12, 2012, 04:28:54 AM
Fine with me. Maybe the queen instinctively pops out a queen egg when she knows her death is near. Seems legit.
Heh, you can almost hear the Queen saying this while she falls from the Sulaco.
"You think you have won, you think all is well. Well kiss my Xeno ass, I shall see you in hell!" ;D
She did succeed, kinda..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: p1nk81cd on Sep 13, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
Post by: p1nk81cd on Sep 13, 2012, 02:53:26 PM
True, true...Wonder where she is now?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 13, 2012, 03:21:39 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 13, 2012, 03:21:39 PM
According to the novelization (cant remember if the script too) she got killed, pulled in by LV426's atmosphere
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Runner on Sep 13, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Post by: The Runner on Sep 13, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Sep 13, 2012, 03:21:39 PM
According to the novelization (cant remember if the script too) she got killed, pulled in by LV426's atmosphere
Nah, the radiation reanimated her body.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 13, 2012, 09:50:48 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 13, 2012, 09:50:48 PM
Not even radiation can resurrect an Alien burned to a crisp by LV-426's atmosphere.
The gravity itself would leave a splat of acid blood on the ground.
The gravity itself would leave a splat of acid blood on the ground.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Runner on Sep 13, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
Post by: The Runner on Sep 13, 2012, 09:54:26 PM
You know Pitchford will come up with something stupid of course....but canon. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Amaterasu on Sep 13, 2012, 10:29:33 PM
Post by: Amaterasu on Sep 13, 2012, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Sep 13, 2012, 09:50:48 PM
Not even radiation can resurrect an Alien burned to a crisp by LV-426's atmosphere.
The gravity itself would leave a splat of acid blood on the ground.
Yeah, it would.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2012, 09:25:51 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2012, 09:25:51 PM
Maby Bishop was reprogrammed to pick up on where Burke failed? So he put the egg onto the ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 26, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 26, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
And where would he get it from? He never went into the hive or the derelict. He would also reveal his orders from Burke, as he did re: facehuggers in stasis
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
Thinking on it though where did the other facehugeer come from though? We know there was on on the ship. But where did the other one come from which infected the dog/cow
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 26, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 26, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
The egg was supposed to have a super facehugger: it would implant one host with a queen (it tried Next, then went for Ripley) and then to protect that host it would also implant something else with a warrior (the ox, but in the final cut a dog). When Fox screwed things up they didn't use the super hugger and went with a normal one. I imagine for the assembly they couldn't do new shots of the super and used what they had.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 12:50:53 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 12:50:53 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 26, 2012, 11:52:17 PM
The egg was supposed to have a super facehugger: it would implant one host with a queen (it tried Next, then went for Ripley) and then to protect that host it would also implant something else with a warrior (the ox, but in the final cut a dog). When Fox screwed things up they didn't use the super hugger and went with a normal one. I imagine for the assembly they couldn't do new shots of the super and used what they had.
This works for two aliens but it doesn't explain the big problem of the location of the egg.
How did the egg get there?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 01:38:33 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 01:38:33 AM
Quote from: Guts on Sep 26, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
Thinking on it though where did the other facehugeer come from though? We know there was on on the ship. But where did the other one come from which infected the dog/cow
TC - only one hugger that implants two hosts.
AC - two huggers - one in opening titles; another that Murphy finds dead. Or there's one that grew spiky bits and armour plating after nailing Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 27, 2012, 02:25:13 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 27, 2012, 02:25:13 AM
Quote from: Guts on Sep 26, 2012, 09:25:51 PM
Maby Bishop was reprogrammed to pick up on where Burke failed? So he put the egg onto the ship.
Reprogrammed when? And by whom? He was ECA property, remember, not some piece of corporate hardware.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 27, 2012, 02:27:30 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Sep 27, 2012, 02:27:30 AM
and didn't have wireless internet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:29:22 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:29:22 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Sep 27, 2012, 02:25:13 AMQuote from: Guts on Sep 26, 2012, 09:25:51 PM
Maby Bishop was reprogrammed to pick up on where Burke failed? So he put the egg onto the ship.
Reprogrammed when? And by whom? He was USCM property, remember, not some piece of corporate hardware.
ECA property technically.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 02:29:44 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 02:29:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 01:38:33 AMAC - two huggers - one in opening titles; another that Murphy finds dead. Or there's one that grew spiky bits and armour plating after nailing Ripley.
I think the one in the credits was supposed to be the superhugger, but they filmed the scene after deciding it would get the dog intead so they went with a normal one. This is messed up in the assembly when they inserted one of the inmates finding the webbed super one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
Fact remains that the one whose fingers we see as well as on the scans isn't the big armour plated bugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 02:49:21 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 02:49:21 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
Fact remains that the one whose fingers we see as well as on the scans isn't the big armour plated bugger.
I know, because they were never shot that way, but it makes sense to me that they were supposed to. Not that it makes it canon or anything. Just more confusing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:50:01 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:50:01 AM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Runner on Sep 27, 2012, 02:55:23 AM
Post by: The Runner on Sep 27, 2012, 02:55:23 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:41:58 AM
Fact remains that the one whose fingers we see as well as on the scans isn't the big armour plated bugger.
Then shouldn't the Ox of had the Queen?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:00:46 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:00:46 AM
The answer to this question and many others is - it's Alien3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Runner on Sep 27, 2012, 03:02:02 AM
Post by: The Runner on Sep 27, 2012, 03:02:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:00:46 AM
The answer to this question and many others is - it's Alien3.
Well I take an edited version of Alien3 canon. Of which the Super Facehugger never appeared in(it was all dog). SPIKE FTW!!!!!
But it's fun to tinker with other theories.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:04:08 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:04:08 AM
Of course. Just don't expect them to hold water.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 27, 2012, 03:06:43 AM
Post by: SpaceMarines on Sep 27, 2012, 03:06:43 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 02:29:22 AM
ECA property technically.
Noted and fixed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Runner on Sep 27, 2012, 03:07:36 AM
Post by: The Runner on Sep 27, 2012, 03:07:36 AM
SM what other theories have been thrown around the community for awhile?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:12:01 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:12:01 AM
About what? The egg?
Bishop did it.
Queen laid it en route.
Queen brought it with her.
It walked from the dropship to under the floor while no one was looking.
Another Alien was on the dropship and hid the egg.
It grew from Alien goo/ acid/ Bishop's legs.
Some obviously make a bit more sense than other, but I've never come across a theory that can take the events in the tiles as literal and have it all make sense. Which is why I lean toward it being a dreamlike distortion of actual events from Ripleys POV.
Bishop did it.
Queen laid it en route.
Queen brought it with her.
It walked from the dropship to under the floor while no one was looking.
Another Alien was on the dropship and hid the egg.
It grew from Alien goo/ acid/ Bishop's legs.
Some obviously make a bit more sense than other, but I've never come across a theory that can take the events in the tiles as literal and have it all make sense. Which is why I lean toward it being a dreamlike distortion of actual events from Ripleys POV.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2012, 03:13:27 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2012, 03:13:27 AM
Of the various ideas, I like the 'emergency egg' idea best. The Queen lays one egg, a Queen egg, once her eggsack is torn off. The special egg gives birth to not just a replacement queen, but also a drone to protect it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:17:11 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:17:11 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2012, 03:13:27 AM
Of the various ideas, I like the 'emergency egg' idea best. The Queen lays one egg, a Queen egg, once her eggsack is torn off. The special egg gives birth to not just a replacement queen, but also a drone to protect it.
Again, it doesn't explain the LOCATION of the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:18:10 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:18:10 AM
Dropship is the only place it can be.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:19:26 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:19:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:18:10 AM
Dropship is the only place it can be.
Some say.
But it looks like it is nowhere near the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:26:14 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:26:14 AM
Hence "dreamlike distorion of actual events".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:31:45 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:31:45 AM
So, if we take for grantede the "dreamlike distortion of actual events" there are things that still need to be explained.
1. There were two aliens.
2. From Ripley's experience - one egg = one facehugger = one alien.
3. In order to account for the two aliens, we have to assume one of a few possible scenarios:
* The queen laid two eggs on the dropship.
* The queen laid one egg on the drop ship but the resulting facehugger can impregnate two hosts - one with a queen.
* The queen laid one egg and there was another facehugger already on board - perhaps brought on board with the queen.
So even taking into account the dreamlike state, assumptions and theories still need to be put forth to explain what happened.
1. There were two aliens.
2. From Ripley's experience - one egg = one facehugger = one alien.
3. In order to account for the two aliens, we have to assume one of a few possible scenarios:
* The queen laid two eggs on the dropship.
* The queen laid one egg on the drop ship but the resulting facehugger can impregnate two hosts - one with a queen.
* The queen laid one egg and there was another facehugger already on board - perhaps brought on board with the queen.
So even taking into account the dreamlike state, assumptions and theories still need to be put forth to explain what happened.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:33:01 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:33:01 AM
This one works for me:
Quote* The queen laid one egg on the drop ship but the resulting facehugger can impregnate two hosts - one with a queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:35:20 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:35:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:33:01 AM
This one works for me:Quote* The queen laid one egg on the drop ship but the resulting facehugger can impregnate two hosts - one with a queen.
Well sure - but I suppose it's like you said, it's a theory that holds no more water then any other.
EDIT:
Sorry, I didn't mean any disrespect - the point I was making was that no matter what theory is put forward - given what we know from the film - they're all in the same boat - assumptions.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:36:24 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:36:24 AM
Yeah, it does. When Ripley quizzes Bishop about the flight recorder they only talk about a single Alien. Not plural.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:36:48 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 03:36:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:36:24 AM
Yeah, it does. When Ripley quizzes Bishop about the flight recorder they only talk about a single Alien. Not plural.
We've been over that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:54:07 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:54:07 AM
Did we?
I've talked about so many times in the last 15 years that I lose track.
Either way it points to single Alien ergo "The queen laid one egg on the drop ship but the resulting facehugger can impregnate two hosts - one with a queen."
I've talked about so many times in the last 15 years that I lose track.
Either way it points to single Alien ergo "The queen laid one egg on the drop ship but the resulting facehugger can impregnate two hosts - one with a queen."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 04:26:43 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 04:26:43 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:54:07 AM
Did we?
I've talked about so many times in the last 15 years that I lose track.
Either way it points to single Alien ergo "The queen laid one egg on the drop ship but the resulting facehugger can impregnate two hosts - one with a queen."
We did.
The conclusion I came to (though I think you disagreed) was that I was assuming certain things from that scene and you were assuming certain things from that scene - naturally they were different.
While I accept your premise, I still believe that yours is just as full of assumptions as mine or anyone else's.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 04:40:02 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 04:40:02 AM
I try to avoid assumptions as much as possible and clearly state when I don't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 04:41:21 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 04:41:21 AM
And that's where we ended our last conversation.
I disagreed with you that you were not making assumptions.
I disagreed with you that you were not making assumptions.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 05:00:48 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 05:00:48 AM
I had this same conversation 20 years ago on Prodigy. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 27, 2012, 05:47:19 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 27, 2012, 05:47:19 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 02:29:44 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 01:38:33 AMAC - two huggers - one in opening titles; another that Murphy finds dead. Or there's one that grew spiky bits and armour plating after nailing Ripley.
I think the one in the credits was supposed to be the superhugger, but they filmed the scene after deciding it would get the dog intead so they went with a normal one. This is messed up in the assembly when they inserted one of the inmates finding the webbed super one.
That webbed one is a queen hugger though? Cos i know that thing was huge.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 06:36:02 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 06:36:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 04:40:02 AM
I try to avoid assumptions as much as possible and clearly state when I don't.
Has anyone ever assumed that maybe the egg contained two facehuggers?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 06:42:36 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 06:42:36 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Sep 27, 2012, 06:36:02 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 04:40:02 AM
I try to avoid assumptions as much as possible and clearly state when I don't.
Has anyone ever assumed that maybe the egg contained two facehuggers?
Probably - and this can be added to my list above.
I've still always argued that the problem is the LOCATION of the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 07:07:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 07:07:33 AM
Since I'm a newbie here, what are some of the more plausible explanations for the location?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 07:20:03 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 07:20:03 AM
Dropship.
Hangar subflooring.
Hangar subflooring.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Sep 27, 2012, 04:50:49 PM
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Sep 27, 2012, 04:50:49 PM
I know how it got on the sulaco. :) I've studied this problem for many years and gone over it scene and analyzed possible causes and I can assure you, the egg is on the sulaco becase...
Spoiler
Lazy, bad writing and rushed shooting schedule. It's there because they needed a sequel and didn't have a plot. It's there because they assumed audiences wouldn't give a shit. It's there because 20th Century Fox wanted money. It's an unresolved, forever-ambiguous plot hole.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
Bishop brought the egg to the ship with a loose facehugger. Hence the sounds at the end of Aliens credits.
Stop over analyzing this. It is so simple.
Stop over analyzing this. It is so simple.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 05:04:26 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 05:04:26 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:36:24 AM
Yeah, it does. When Ripley quizzes Bishop about the flight recorder they only talk about a single Alien. Not plural.
Yeah, I was about to say.
"Was there an Alien on board?"
"It was with us the whole way."
Quote from: Guts on Sep 27, 2012, 05:47:19 AMThat webbed one is a queen hugger though? Cos i know that thing was huge.
Yes. I presume it was supposed to be the one creeping up on Newt in the opening, but when Fincher left and Fox took over they didn't care and just used a normal facehugger. When it comes to the stuff Fincher actually shot it would be the inmate finding the queen hugger with the unconscious ox. Fox later got rid of that and did the shot of the normal hugger getting the dog. The ox being replaced in the assembly cut messes with the shots of the opening with the normal hugger.
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
Bishop brought the egg to the ship with a loose facehugger. Hence the sounds at the end of Aliens credits.
Stop over analyzing this. It is so simple.
I disagree with this. It goes against what Aliens was trying to say. We're meant to slowly trust Bishop like Ripley. He's the anti-Ash. Burke takes on that role, and in a way he's scarier because he's not a machine taking orders he chooses to be a scumbag.
"You don't see them f**king each other over for a goddamn percentage."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 05:31:53 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 05:31:53 PM
Bishop stated Mr. Burke wanted the specimen brought back....hmmm.
Serious people. The most obvious is the answer.
Serious people. The most obvious is the answer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 27, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 27, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 05:31:53 PM
Bishop stated Mr. Burke wanted the specimen brought back....hmmm.
Serious people. The most obvious is the answer.
Here are problems with it
-Bishop is a good character
-As you pointed out, he told Ripley that Burke wanted him to take the specimen for analysis. he wouldve told Ripley he brought more
-No point of him hiding the egg stuck upside down
-No way for him to hide it from Ripley. Ripley was with him in the dropship, and as soon as he exited, he was chopped in half. Ripley took care of him from then on and obviously he wasnt capable of anything
-He never went to the hive, he couldnt have have gotten the egg, and the only things in the lab were two dead facehuggers and two live ones blasted by Hudson
-Ripley would surely do a bioscan of the ship afterwards to make sure nothing else stowed away, since Alien 3 showed us it was possible, as the flight recorder noted alien presence
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
Also, the two live facehuggers were still alive when Bishop left. He didn't kill them as Ripley ordered, which means he had no reason to get more AND that Burke's orders stood whether Ripley liked them or not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Bishop did it. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2012, 10:46:15 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2012, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 27, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Bishop did it. Plain and simple.
The Queen did it. Extraordinary and complicated.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 10:57:58 PM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 10:57:58 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 27, 2012, 05:04:26 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 03:36:24 AM
Yeah, it does. When Ripley quizzes Bishop about the flight recorder they only talk about a single Alien. Not plural.
Yeah, I was about to say.
"Was there an Alien on board?"
"It was with us the whole way."
This assumes Bishop was in perfect working order and knew what he was talking about when in fact we know he's not in perfect working order and even says so himself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 11:21:07 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 11:21:07 PM
And this assumes the data from the flight recorder is faulty - which from the initial announcements, it isn't.
Serious people. This answer is utter bullshit.
There's no time for Bishop to kill them. He tells Ripley about Burkes order, Ripley confronts Burke, alarms go off and Alien get gunned down in tunnel, then Bishop tells them about the impending nuclear explosion. It does raise an interesting dilemma for Bishop though. He's bound to obey Burke, as there's no immediate danger from the huggers. However is he bound to obey Ripley's opposing order? It could be reasoned out that the Company will use the huggers to harm humans, so would Bishop's reasoning reach that far?
QuoteBishop stated Mr. Burke wanted the specimen brought back....hmmm.
Serious people. The most obvious is the answer.
Serious people. This answer is utter bullshit.
QuoteHe didn't kill them as Ripley ordered, which means he had no reason to get more AND that Burke's orders stood whether Ripley liked them or not.
There's no time for Bishop to kill them. He tells Ripley about Burkes order, Ripley confronts Burke, alarms go off and Alien get gunned down in tunnel, then Bishop tells them about the impending nuclear explosion. It does raise an interesting dilemma for Bishop though. He's bound to obey Burke, as there's no immediate danger from the huggers. However is he bound to obey Ripley's opposing order? It could be reasoned out that the Company will use the huggers to harm humans, so would Bishop's reasoning reach that far?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Post by: stephen on Sep 27, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 11:21:07 PM
And this assumes the data from the flight recorder is faulty - which from the initial announcements, it isn't.
Where have I ever said or assumed that the data from the flight recorder is faulty?
I have made assumptions that Bishop was not lieing when he said "It's very dark here Ripley, I'm not what I used to be."
Bishop could be reading the data correctly and still only think there was one alien on board. It's dependent on the data he was reading. Just because he talks singularly doesn't prove that there was only one alien on board.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 28, 2012, 12:38:23 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Sep 28, 2012, 12:38:23 AM
If Bishop did it, which goes against his character, wouldn't they have made a point of it in the movie? Instead there's every indication that whatever it was snuck on board.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 28, 2012, 12:41:19 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 28, 2012, 12:41:19 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Sep 28, 2012, 12:38:23 AM
If Bishop did it, which goes against his character, wouldn't they have made a point of it in the movie? Instead there's every indication that whatever it was snuck on board.
Yep. Which is why its almost certain that ol'Queenie did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2012, 06:19:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2012, 06:19:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 27, 2012, 11:21:07 PMIt does raise an interesting dilemma for Bishop though. He's bound to obey Burke, as there's no immediate danger from the huggers. However is he bound to obey Ripley's opposing order? It could be reasoned out that the Company will use the huggers to harm humans, so would Bishop's reasoning reach that far?
That's the real question, isn't it? How far will Bishop go to protect humans? Those behavioral inhibitors of his could be a real problem if the marines ever got in a stand-up fight with other humans, couldn't they?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 28, 2012, 07:05:05 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 28, 2012, 07:05:05 AM
He couldn't really get involved unless it was to stop someone being hurt if he was able to. Good chance he would've stepped in to protect Burke from being executed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2012, 07:44:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 28, 2012, 07:44:57 AM
So do you think he'd go so far as to disobey Burke on the grounds that the company MIGHT harm humans while experimenting with the alien specimens? Is Weyland-Yutani supposed to have a public reputation for committing atrocities?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 28, 2012, 10:17:41 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 28, 2012, 10:17:41 PM
The latter doesn't enter int it. Bishop knows what the huggers are capable of if left alive and released from stasis.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 29, 2012, 02:37:02 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 29, 2012, 02:37:02 AM
True, although the same could be said about many of the potentially lethal things that Bishop interacts with on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 29, 2012, 03:36:50 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 29, 2012, 03:36:50 AM
could the huggers of been the the two from the tank?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 29, 2012, 05:25:51 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 29, 2012, 05:25:51 AM
From the tank?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bobby brown on Sep 29, 2012, 12:21:39 PM
Post by: bobby brown on Sep 29, 2012, 12:21:39 PM
The glass tanks on LV-426 I presume.
No, that would be very far fetched. besides, you see the egg(s) in the intro?
No, that would be very far fetched. besides, you see the egg(s) in the intro?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 29, 2012, 12:32:30 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Sep 29, 2012, 12:32:30 PM
They kind of shoot them to pieces, you know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 29, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 29, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Wow. Just remember it took like 5 minutes for the marines to get from Sulaco to planet.
Bishop says something like this when Hicks asks him about the 2nd Dropship.
"the ship is on its way...ETA...16 minutes!"
Not very accurate for an artificial person now is it.
Bishop says something like this when Hicks asks him about the 2nd Dropship.
"the ship is on its way...ETA...16 minutes!"
Not very accurate for an artificial person now is it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 29, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Sep 29, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
Not sure if serious...but the landing was obviously edited down as they wouldnt show full 16 minutes. It was more than 16 minutes too, the ship was already on the way when Bishop said its 16 more minutes
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 29, 2012, 10:20:20 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 29, 2012, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 29, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Wow. Just remember it took like 5 minutes for the marines to get from Sulaco to planet.
Bishop says something like this when Hicks asks him about the 2nd Dropship.
"the ship is on its way...ETA...16 minutes!"
Not very accurate for an artificial person now is it.
Bishop says flight time is 50 minutes. Which is backed up by the mission time on the marines cameras just after they land.
Do try and pay attention.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 30, 2012, 07:20:40 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 30, 2012, 07:20:40 AM
Maby it was bishop. Well dont forget about the alien sounds after the credits.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 30, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 30, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
Bishop did it. Please stop with the queen laying them/ bringing them in her arms.
Maybe bishop was face hugged at the uplink dish and he captured it cause it couldn't implant the embryo? Then he put the higher in on of those cases his laptop was sitting on.
How about them apples.
Maybe bishop was face hugged at the uplink dish and he captured it cause it couldn't implant the embryo? Then he put the higher in on of those cases his laptop was sitting on.
How about them apples.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 30, 2012, 10:24:46 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 30, 2012, 10:24:46 PM
And the egg ... ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 30, 2012, 10:51:36 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 30, 2012, 10:51:36 PM
Well Bishop was alone for a long time. He could of ran in pick one up and placed it in the same canister.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 30, 2012, 11:08:01 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 30, 2012, 11:08:01 PM
Bishop is First Lawed. Bringing an egg on the drop ship would violate that. If he's reprogrammed to violate that First Law, then he violated his reprogramming by taking Ripley to the AP and then sticking around to pick her.
Bishop DID stick around, obeying his core programming, and disproving dopey "Bishop did it" arguments.
Bishop DID stick around, obeying his core programming, and disproving dopey "Bishop did it" arguments.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Snowdog on Sep 30, 2012, 11:52:35 PM
Post by: Snowdog on Sep 30, 2012, 11:52:35 PM
I'm not a pro Bishop did it kind of guy. But it is possible. In every alien related movie the android had a hidden agenda. Ash was trying to get the alien back to the company. Call was investegating on her own because of the cloning. David did all kinds of stuff even though Weyland gave him commands which explain some of his actions, but David also did a lot of stuff Weyland didn't ask of him. Could be that Bishop had a hidden agenda also.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 01, 2012, 12:04:57 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 01, 2012, 12:04:57 AM
Where's the evidence to back it up?
Bishop is the anti-Ash. You suspect him because of Ash and Ripley's perspective on Ash. Yet the only thing ever does that's slightly suspicious is not answer Spunkmeyer right away. It's all misdirection.
Bishop is the anti-Ash. You suspect him because of Ash and Ripley's perspective on Ash. Yet the only thing ever does that's slightly suspicious is not answer Spunkmeyer right away. It's all misdirection.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 01, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 01, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
You were misdirected, perfectly, it seems.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 01, 2012, 02:25:50 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 01, 2012, 02:25:50 AM
No, I actually watched the movie.
Bit more rewarding than dumbf**k trolling.
Bit more rewarding than dumbf**k trolling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2012, 06:07:24 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2012, 06:07:24 PM
I'd like for one of these "Bishop did it" people to watch the movie and tell us when Bishop actually had an opportunity to do all the myriad things they think he did. The camera cut back to him frequently, and every time it did he was either busily crawling through the pipe or working at the uplink tower.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 01, 2012, 08:02:03 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 01, 2012, 08:02:03 PM
So when did the queen do it then?
Right back at you...
Right back at you...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2012, 08:14:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2012, 08:14:45 PM
I don't think she did. I think she either dripped some goo into the subflooring that congealed and grew into an egg OR she injected Bishop with genetic material when she speared him with her tail which egg-morphed the lower half of his body.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Runner on Oct 01, 2012, 09:29:45 PM
Post by: The Runner on Oct 01, 2012, 09:29:45 PM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 01, 2012, 08:14:45 PMAnd wouldn't that cause his upper half to egg morph? And the fact that in A:CM that his legs are still there.
I don't think she did. I think she either dripped some goo into the subflooring that congealed and grew into an egg OR she injected Bishop with genetic material when she speared him with her tail which egg-morphed the lower half of his body.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 01, 2012, 09:30:23 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 01, 2012, 09:30:23 PM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 01, 2012, 08:14:45 PM
I don't think she did. I think she either dripped some goo into the subflooring that congealed and grew into an egg OR she injected Bishop with genetic material when she speared him with her tail which egg-morphed the lower half of his body.
Or she laid an egg in the dropship's bay and the suction pulled it out and it got stuck to whatever it is it was awkwardly stuck to
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2012, 10:12:25 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 01, 2012, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: The Runner on Oct 01, 2012, 09:29:45 PMAnd wouldn't that cause his upper half to egg morph? And the fact that in A:CM that his legs are still there.
His upper half was cryogenically frozen in hypersleep. And does anyone really care what A:CM shows?
Besides, I'm more partial to the goo theory anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 02, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 02, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Bishop knew the egg was onboard the whole time though. Goo congealing into an egg. Wtf, I'd like to know when the queen shat that out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 02, 2012, 05:07:52 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 02, 2012, 05:07:52 PM
So are you suggesting that Bishop's behavioral programming could be easily overruled by a sinster SO-937 type order that was already installed?
Most likely impossible in-universe, and makes no sense as Bishop had plenty of opportunities to acquire a specimen. He would've taken advantage of Burke and all of his antics, too.
I've been thinking that the placement of the egg, as well as the time the queen spent on the Sulaco, are meant to suggest that she 'stuck' the egg somewhere under the floor grates while pursuing Newt. It could've been a different section that was just off camera in the film.
Hell, she could've stuck it down there to get at Newt specifically. The placement fits with the queen reaching down and sticking it to the beam.
Most likely impossible in-universe, and makes no sense as Bishop had plenty of opportunities to acquire a specimen. He would've taken advantage of Burke and all of his antics, too.
I've been thinking that the placement of the egg, as well as the time the queen spent on the Sulaco, are meant to suggest that she 'stuck' the egg somewhere under the floor grates while pursuing Newt. It could've been a different section that was just off camera in the film.
Hell, she could've stuck it down there to get at Newt specifically. The placement fits with the queen reaching down and sticking it to the beam.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 02, 2012, 06:02:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 02, 2012, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 02, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Bishop knew the egg was onboard the whole time though. Goo congealing into an egg. Wtf, I'd like to know when the queen shat that out.
Bishop didn't know anything until Ripley plugged him into the ship's flight recorder.
And the queen could have shat out the goo at any point that she was trudging around the landing bay chasing Newt or fighting Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 02, 2012, 06:05:52 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 02, 2012, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Oct 02, 2012, 05:07:52 PM
So are you suggesting that Bishop's behavioral programming could be easily overruled by a sinster SO-937 type order that was already installed?
Most likely impossible in-universe, and makes no sense as Bishop had plenty of opportunities to acquire a specimen. He would've taken advantage of Burke and all of his antics, too.
I've been thinking that the placement of the egg, as well as the time the queen spent on the Sulaco, are meant to suggest that she 'stuck' the egg somewhere under the floor grates while pursuing Newt. It could've been a different section that was just off camera in the film.
Hell, she could've stuck it down there to get at Newt specifically. The placement fits with the queen reaching down and sticking it to the beam.
Bishop was watching her all the time tho
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 02, 2012, 06:16:39 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 02, 2012, 06:16:39 PM
True
Also, just because he was watching her doesn't mean the audience got to see everything the queen was doing. There was a bit of a gap after Ripley closes the hangar door before she suits up.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 02, 2012, 06:05:52 PMTrue, but he was also ripped in half. Could've had plenty of damage.
Bishop was watching her all the time tho
Also, just because he was watching her doesn't mean the audience got to see everything the queen was doing. There was a bit of a gap after Ripley closes the hangar door before she suits up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 02, 2012, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 02, 2012, 06:17:00 PM
Nobody was watching bishop flying the Dropship after he dropped Ripley off. Hicks was out cold.
At least you saw the Dropship rise from the processing station's bowels. Right where the eggs were laid!
Queen did not have an egg with her. Do you see one when she is getting outta the elevator?
At least you saw the Dropship rise from the processing station's bowels. Right where the eggs were laid!
Queen did not have an egg with her. Do you see one when she is getting outta the elevator?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 02, 2012, 06:42:51 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 02, 2012, 06:42:51 PM
50 minutes flight time? That's over an hour and a half round-trip.
And the dropship landed on a high platform...
I don't personally buy the queen-carrying-egg, but prefer the emergency egg (which I believe would be created by bathing a standard, but premature, egg with Royal Jelly, which could explain having an egg with no egg sac) and the super-hugger.
It's really the only explanation that makes any sense at all to me, though it still has plenty of holes.
And the dropship landed on a high platform...
I don't personally buy the queen-carrying-egg, but prefer the emergency egg (which I believe would be created by bathing a standard, but premature, egg with Royal Jelly, which could explain having an egg with no egg sac) and the super-hugger.
It's really the only explanation that makes any sense at all to me, though it still has plenty of holes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 02, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 02, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
I personally like the theory following which Cosmo and Wanda made the egg appear there -- after Timmy wished for it to happen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 02, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
Post by: stephen on Oct 02, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 02, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Bishop knew the egg was onboard the whole time though. Goo congealing into an egg. Wtf, I'd like to know when the queen shat that out.
No he didn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 02, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 02, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 02, 2012, 06:17:00 PM
At least you saw the Dropship rise from the processing station's bowels. Right where the eggs were laid!
Which ones, the ones that Ripley just burned, threw grenades at, and collapsing station and explosions in the last minutes turned to dust? And how would Ripley miss him? She went down into the hive in minutes, not to mention aliens wouldnt let him take any of the eggs. Gunfire or battle wouldve been audible, if Bishop was somewhat able to quickly teleport to the egg chamber before Ripley got it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 02, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 02, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
Bishop getting an egg places the humans in danger, which he programmed not to do and, oddly enough, he never does.
There's no gap. The Queen is ripping up floor plates trying to get Newt and Bishop is watching her do it.
Quote[Also, just because he was watching her doesn't mean the audience got to see everything the queen was doing. There was a bit of a gap after Ripley closes the hangar door before she suits up.
There's no gap. The Queen is ripping up floor plates trying to get Newt and Bishop is watching her do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 03, 2012, 01:12:14 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 03, 2012, 01:12:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 02, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
Bishop getting an egg places the humans in danger, which he programmed not to do and, oddly enough, he never does.Quote[Also, just because he was watching her doesn't mean the audience got to see everything the queen was doing. There was a bit of a gap after Ripley closes the hangar door before she suits up.
There's no gap. The Queen is ripping up floor plates trying to get Newt and Bishop is watching her do it.
Wouldn't flying Ripley into the atmospheric processor (about to go nuclear) filled with aliens with razor sharp teeth and sword like tails, be putting humans in danger?
He used that plan to grab the egg people!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 01:19:03 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 01:19:03 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 03, 2012, 01:12:14 AMQuote from: SM on Oct 02, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
Bishop getting an egg places the humans in danger, which he programmed not to do and, oddly enough, he never does.Quote[Also, just because he was watching her doesn't mean the audience got to see everything the queen was doing. There was a bit of a gap after Ripley closes the hangar door before she suits up.
There's no gap. The Queen is ripping up floor plates trying to get Newt and Bishop is watching her do it.
Wouldn't flying Ripley into the atmospheric processor (about to go nuclear) filled with aliens with razor sharp teeth and sword like tails, be putting humans in danger?
He used that plan to grab the egg people!
Not directly. Bishops quote "It is impossible for me to harm or by omission of action, allow to be harmed, a human being."
He is not harming Ripley by flying her in.
He does not leave and picks her and newt up completly fulfilling that quote.
Whereas the whole point of Bishop getting the egg is so that the facehugger can get a human in direct contradiction to that quote.
Yes he could have been lying but all evidence - ALL EVIDENCE points to the fact that he wasn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 03, 2012, 01:28:41 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 03, 2012, 01:28:41 AM
Wow. He knows it goes nuke. He knows those things kill humans. He know Ripley is going in way over matched and out manned/aliened. He also knows the facility is falling apart!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 01:30:23 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Oct 03, 2012, 01:28:41 AM
Wow. He knows it goes nuke. He knows those things kill humans. He know Ripley is going in way over matched and out manned/aliened. He also knows the facility is falling apart!
Correct - but he also knew that Ripley would have blown his head off if he refused.
He's not harming her. An alien might harm her. The explosion might. But Bishops direct actions have not harmed her.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 03, 2012, 01:37:42 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 03, 2012, 01:37:42 AM
Not to mentipn there wpuld be no reason to save her. If he got the egg why not leave her
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 01:38:08 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 01:38:08 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 03, 2012, 01:37:42 AM
Not to mentipn there wpuld be no reason to save her. If he got the egg why not leave her
bingo.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 01:53:29 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 01:53:29 AM
Yep.
Bishop flying Ripley into the AP isn't harming her, because he knows that there is time for Ripley to potentially save Newt. If it was ten minutes later he might violated his second law in order to keep the first intact.
Bishop flying Ripley into the AP isn't harming her, because he knows that there is time for Ripley to potentially save Newt. If it was ten minutes later he might violated his second law in order to keep the first intact.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 03, 2012, 07:01:56 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 03, 2012, 07:01:56 AM
I now wonder if androids have a verbal override command that Hicks may have used before he passed out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 07:06:29 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 07:06:29 AM
"Kiss me, Bishop."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Amaterasu on Oct 03, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
Post by: Amaterasu on Oct 03, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 07:06:29 AM
"Kiss me, Bishop."
Oh my god. :laugh:
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 03, 2012, 07:01:56 AM
I now wonder if androids have a verbal override command that Hicks may have used before he passed out.
Who knows, maybe, maybe not. It could be possible..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 03, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 03, 2012, 03:09:48 PM
This is turning into a fun 3-laws loophole discussion.
But I'd like to point out that Ash was a company synthetic (whose nature was hidden from Dallas), and Bishop was a military synthetic. If WY could've gotten to Bishop, I'm sure they would have, either as a backup plan in case of Burke's failure or alternate means of acquiring an egg.
Bishop would've been a lot more successful than Burke, and a lot less obvious due to his nature. It was clear whose side Burke was on from the beginning, no surprise there. He only revealed how far he was willing to go by the end.
But I'd like to point out that Ash was a company synthetic (whose nature was hidden from Dallas), and Bishop was a military synthetic. If WY could've gotten to Bishop, I'm sure they would have, either as a backup plan in case of Burke's failure or alternate means of acquiring an egg.
Bishop would've been a lot more successful than Burke, and a lot less obvious due to his nature. It was clear whose side Burke was on from the beginning, no surprise there. He only revealed how far he was willing to go by the end.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 03, 2012, 06:12:56 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 03, 2012, 06:12:56 PM
There must be some loopholes to Bishop's programming or else he'd be one hell of a potential liability for a squad of combat troops to hang out with. Imagine him bounding over a stack of sandbags during a firefight to go play medic for some injured terrorist. And that's assuming Bishop doesn't take the bullet for him to begin with.
The whole "omission of action" clause would quickly turn into a pain in the ass.
The whole "omission of action" clause would quickly turn into a pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 03, 2012, 07:21:13 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 03, 2012, 07:21:13 PM
Good points. I think that's why he plays more of a support role in the film; probably has a very strictly defined role within the squad. Can't have an expensive synthetic charging out into a firefight trying to rescue someone who's wounded when human soldiers are so much cheaper.
The 3 laws most likely apply to Bishop's personal actions, not to things going down in the general environment. He has to be limited by the specifics of his job, but these limitations wouldn't override his core behavioral inhibitors.
The 3 laws most likely apply to Bishop's personal actions, not to things going down in the general environment. He has to be limited by the specifics of his job, but these limitations wouldn't override his core behavioral inhibitors.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 11:32:51 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 11:32:51 PM
Bishop isn't military - he's ECA.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 11:54:34 PM
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 11:54:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 11:32:51 PM
Bishop isn't military - he's ECA.
ECA?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 11:56:45 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 11:56:45 PM
Extrasolar Colonisation Administration aka Colonial Administration.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 11:58:51 PM
Post by: stephen on Oct 03, 2012, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 03, 2012, 11:56:45 PM
Extrasolar Colonisation Administration aka Colonial Administration.
How do we know that exactly?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
QuoteThe ship is fully automated in interstellar flight so
there is no crew, except for EXECUTIVE OFFICER (ECA) Bishop,
who supervises planetary maneuvering.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 04, 2012, 12:03:48 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 04, 2012, 12:03:48 AM
Thanks for answering my question, or not.
Where is that from? is it from the script? is it from the novelisation? is it from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual?
Where is that from? is it from the script? is it from the novelisation? is it from the Colonial Marines Technical Manual?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:04:57 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:04:57 AM
Sorry, thought it was obvious it was from the script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 04, 2012, 12:08:51 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 04, 2012, 12:08:51 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:04:57 AM
Sorry, thought it was obvious it was from the script.
Well I assumed it was from the script - but really it could have been from anywhere.
But that's ok. Thanks.
Which leads me to another question which may not be appropriate to ask here (if not let me know).
I suppose this goes back to the old canon debate.
But if something is written in the script and lets say it's the final working script, but it does not appear in the film. Say a piece of dialogue is cut (for whatever reason) or whatever, can we take the script as canon, or is it a matter of "if it's not in the movie, it's not canon?"
That may not be necessarily appropriate for things like this which is simply a description of someone's title and what they do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:15:59 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:15:59 AM
It's personal preference.
Bishop's position isn't detailed in the film, but people assume he's part of the USCM. Personally, I believe scripted material that's not disputed by the final film is fair game, so I'll bring up that Bishop isn't part of the USCM. Though he obviously works hand in hand with them.
On the other hand, the same script describes Bishop being awake the whole flight - this is clearly contradicted by the film, so can't be canon.
Bishop's position isn't detailed in the film, but people assume he's part of the USCM. Personally, I believe scripted material that's not disputed by the final film is fair game, so I'll bring up that Bishop isn't part of the USCM. Though he obviously works hand in hand with them.
On the other hand, the same script describes Bishop being awake the whole flight - this is clearly contradicted by the film, so can't be canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 12:18:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 12:18:01 AM
We only know that Van Leuwen is ICC from the script too. Some people assume he's with Weyland-Yutani for some reason.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:33:43 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:33:43 AM
We can sorta kinda glean from the film who Van Leuwen works for. The ICC would be in a position to revoke Ripley's license, moreso than WY.
Though I'd never actually thought about it till you mentioned it.
Though I'd never actually thought about it till you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 12:38:38 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 12:38:38 AM
I've had to clarify it before to people who were convinced that Van Leuwen was the nefarious ringleader of the whole conspiracy.
I also had to point out that the "42 million" guy and the "300 surveyed worlds" lady were insurance company and ECA reps, respectively.
I also had to point out that the "42 million" guy and the "300 surveyed worlds" lady were insurance company and ECA reps, respectively.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 04, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 04, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:15:59 AM
people assume he's part of the USCM.
Which is a fair assumption.
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:15:59 AMPersonally, I believe scripted material that's not disputed by the final film is fair game,
In general I agree with you. However it would depend on what it is exactly. In the case regarding Bishop, I think it's fine to accept either and I'll go along with the script.
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:15:59 AMThough he obviously works hand in hand with them.
Then there is Burke's comment about "we always have a synthetic on board".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:47:40 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 12:47:40 AM
And the fact he drives the APC and can fly the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:00:02 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:00:02 AM
I always thought it was strange that Bishop is called the executive officer in the script. Did he appear to have any authority over anyone in the film?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 01:03:09 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 01:03:09 AM
No. He's essentially equipment. Bottom of the food chain. Except for the Sulaco's computer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 01:13:06 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 01:13:06 AM
The marines obviously knew Bishop well, but from the way Burke put it, he made it sound like Bishop was assigned to the ship, and not necessarily the marines.
I was thinking that another good question would be if the marines of the 2/9th were assigned to the Sulaco or rotated ship-to-ship during each deployment, like modern marines, but the lockers and other personal touches in the ship seem to suggest it's they're permanent station. Same with the dropship, but it's possible that they could've loaded all of that stuff and got set up prior to leaving Gateway.
I was thinking that another good question would be if the marines of the 2/9th were assigned to the Sulaco or rotated ship-to-ship during each deployment, like modern marines, but the lockers and other personal touches in the ship seem to suggest it's they're permanent station. Same with the dropship, but it's possible that they could've loaded all of that stuff and got set up prior to leaving Gateway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:15:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:15:51 AM
Pretty sure Bishop served with the 2/9th whether they were all permanently assigned to the Sulaco or not. Remember the knife scene? They seemed well acquainted to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 01:18:08 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 01:18:08 AM
I would think Bishop came with the ship and this group of marines had been assignment on the Sulaco for some time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 01:19:02 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 01:19:02 AM
^ Me too. Bet the answers in the Tech Manual if I had the gumption to get off my lazy ass and go read it. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:20:35 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:20:35 AM
Is the CMTM generally regarded as canon?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 01:25:29 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 01:25:29 AM
Again, personal preference.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:32:08 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 01:32:08 AM
Good. Because I've long been skeptical of its stated speed for the Sulaco and the alleged FTL capabilities of its EEVs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:24:01 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:24:01 AM
Never paid much attention to the Sulaco speed, but I just had another look and yeah, 0.74ly/day is too slow. Should be around 1.8. The length of the Sulaco is also wrong.
Not sure about EEV having FTL capability. I can't find where it explicitly says they do. Only that they're range is 1.4 parsecs - which admittedly is a fecking long way.
Not sure about EEV having FTL capability. I can't find where it explicitly says they do. Only that they're range is 1.4 parsecs - which admittedly is a fecking long way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 03:30:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 03:30:34 AM
IIRC, the 337 model EEV had no visible means of propulsion either. It looked like it was just meant to drift through space and keep its occupants alive in hypersleep while awaiting rescue.
The fact that it made an uncontrolled crashlanding on Fiorina makes me believe that it was never designed to make planetfall, which the CMTM also tells us it has the capability of doing.
The fact that it made an uncontrolled crashlanding on Fiorina makes me believe that it was never designed to make planetfall, which the CMTM also tells us it has the capability of doing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:42:57 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:42:57 AM
I think it'd have to be able to make planetfall in some form. My initial thought would been via parachutes, but this would limit the types of planets it could fall on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 03:49:40 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 03:49:40 AM
Most planets in the galaxy would be inhospitable to human life even if they were close enough for the EEV to reach.
It also doesn't appear to have much in the way of provisions or even a weapons locker, which strikes me as odd for a military transport.
I figure EEVs were designed to be picked up in space just like the Narcissus was in Aliens.
It also doesn't appear to have much in the way of provisions or even a weapons locker, which strikes me as odd for a military transport.
I figure EEVs were designed to be picked up in space just like the Narcissus was in Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:52:05 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:52:05 AM
They do appear to be like that, what with, as you said, the lack of any visible engines.
Ideally if they did get caught in a planets gravity well, they should have enough fuel to put them into orbit and they just stay there until pickup.
Ideally if they did get caught in a planets gravity well, they should have enough fuel to put them into orbit and they just stay there until pickup.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 03:53:53 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 03:53:53 AM
**Warning: approaching possible Alien3 plot hole**
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:56:08 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:56:08 AM
Add it to the list.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 03:56:15 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 03:56:15 AM
True, although I saw no signs of even vernier thrusters on the thing before or during its descent into Fury's atmosphere. Weird.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:59:04 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 03:59:04 AM
Good thing there was water for it to fall in. Couple of hundred meters to the left and it's all over red rover.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 04:18:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 04:18:10 AM
This is all a big part of why I think that the EEV crashing on Fury was TOO coincidental, BTW.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 04:29:12 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 04:29:12 AM
Dunno, sounds like a long bow being drawn.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 04:33:16 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 04:33:16 AM
I know. I have no love for the theories that Alien 3 has forced me to think up, but there you go.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 05:09:50 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 05:09:50 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when it ejects from the Sulaco, it's just the cryo-tubes floating in open space, wasn't it?
I might be trippin...
I might be trippin...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 05:48:35 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 04, 2012, 05:48:35 AM
Consider yourself corrected.
It's five tubes inside a small space ship.
It's five tubes inside a small space ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 06:20:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 06:20:49 AM
I wonder why the Sulaco bothered sending an empty tube along for the ride.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 04, 2012, 12:56:17 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 04, 2012, 12:56:17 PM
Or why a military vessel would screw itself up for a small fire, not wake up the crew but jettison it, etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 04, 2012, 01:21:32 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 04, 2012, 01:21:32 PM
The fire was in the cryo bay.
"Morning, guys! Enjoy the blazing inferno surrounding you."
"Morning, guys! Enjoy the blazing inferno surrounding you."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 04, 2012, 01:25:46 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 04, 2012, 01:25:46 PM
"And while you're at it, use the extinguishers. They come in handy for this exciting event!"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
IIRC, people need to time to warm up and "thaw out" of hypersleep. It's not like jumping out of your bunk and just being a little groggy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 09:39:03 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 04, 2012, 09:39:03 PM
Good pic, you can still see the cryo tube bumps.. See, I was trippin. :laugh:
Aren't the military ships supposed to have an intelligent, Mother-style system that operates them during deep space flight? This itches the old questions of where the ship was in-transit back to Earth and why they drifted by Fiorina anyway, but Colonial Marines will answer all that shit swimmingly, right?
Aren't the military ships supposed to have an intelligent, Mother-style system that operates them during deep space flight? This itches the old questions of where the ship was in-transit back to Earth and why they drifted by Fiorina anyway, but Colonial Marines will answer all that shit swimmingly, right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 05, 2012, 02:37:19 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 05, 2012, 02:37:19 AM
Well the novelization has a pretty good answer. The EEV is set to set its course and land wherever it senses civilization and radio transmissions, thats why it gravitated towards one and only settlement on Fury
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 05, 2012, 07:05:02 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Oct 05, 2012, 07:05:02 AM
^That's cool, but it didn't land very well. Wait, I answered my own question by finding this article. I bet one of you wrote this, it's pretty good. :laugh:
http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-3-why-did-eev-crash-land-other.html (http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-3-why-did-eev-crash-land-other.html)
Yes, I think in fact one of you did write it.
http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-3-why-did-eev-crash-land-other.html (http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-3-why-did-eev-crash-land-other.html)
Yes, I think in fact one of you did write it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 05, 2012, 10:23:36 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 05, 2012, 10:23:36 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 04, 2012, 01:25:46 PM
"And while you're at it, use the extinguishers. They come in handy for this exciting event!"
"Pity you'll be too dead of smoke inhalation to use them!"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
"Unless you put specific masks on."
(And always better than what the Sulaco did do as an emergency procedure)
Apart from that, a military spaceship from the future kind of should have better measurements against a fire.
(And always better than what the Sulaco did do as an emergency procedure)
Apart from that, a military spaceship from the future kind of should have better measurements against a fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gilfryd on Oct 05, 2012, 04:02:20 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Oct 05, 2012, 04:02:20 PM
Well the thing is there's no good reason for anything happening on the Sulaco... it's like an egg appearing on the Narcissus in beginning of Aliens. You would have to rewrite Alien 3 from scratch for anything to make sense. If Aliens was about going back to where the Derelict was 3 should have been about going where the Derelict originated.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2012, 05:19:47 PM
3 could have been all about Ripley going back to the Derelict Pilot race. Lovecraftian sort of tale.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2012, 07:35:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2012, 07:35:20 PM
Unless the whole ship was in danger of a catastrophic explosion, I'd think that simply moving the cryotubes to the EEV was good enough. At least it would get the sleeping passengers out of immediate harm's way.
Alas, we never saw what became of the Sulaco. Luckily, we have the think tank at Gearbox Software to tell us that it survived and returned to LV-426.
Alas, we never saw what became of the Sulaco. Luckily, we have the think tank at Gearbox Software to tell us that it survived and returned to LV-426.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 05, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 05, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 05, 2012, 07:35:20 PM
Unless the whole ship was in danger of a catastrophic explosion, I'd think that simply moving the cryotubes to the EEV was good enough. At least it would get the sleeping passengers out of immediate harm's way.
Alas, we never saw what became of the Sulaco. Luckily, we have the think tank at Gearbox Software to tell us that it survived and returned to LV-426.
Originally the whole ship was suppose to explode, and it was the explosion that propelled the EEV to Fury
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2012, 07:49:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2012, 07:49:50 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Oct 05, 2012, 07:05:02 AMNice article, but I'm still skeptical about the EEV being designed to fly through space and land on a planet.
^That's cool, but it didn't land very well. Wait, I answered my own question by finding this article. I bet one of you wrote this, it's pretty good. :laugh:
http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-3-why-did-eev-crash-land-other.html (http://weyland-yutaniarchives.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-3-why-did-eev-crash-land-other.html)
Yes, I think in fact one of you did write it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2012, 08:20:58 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 05, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
"Unless you put specific masks on."
"Now have some fourth degree burns."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gates on Oct 07, 2012, 05:08:07 PM
Post by: Gates on Oct 07, 2012, 05:08:07 PM
Almost all of the lifeboats in the Alienverse seem to have been designed by morons (except perhaps for Rez)...we have to come up with fan-theories on why the EEV does what it does for it to make any sorta sense...those mini escape pods in Promethefuk are hilarious (unless you're meant to go into stasis, otherwise, good luck floating around in space for two years awaiting pick-up)...and the pièce de résistance, the Narcissus, the only lifeboat for a crew of seven that, oh-so-so-sorry, only carries two...lulz...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Was the Narcissus ever referred to in Alien as a lifeboat? I thought it was designed first and foremost as a shuttle that could be used as a lifeboat by its pilot in an emergency.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gates on Oct 07, 2012, 06:16:23 PM
Post by: Gates on Oct 07, 2012, 06:16:23 PM
To be honest, I'm not 100% sure...regardless of it's original purpose, it's the only escape option (in film) in the event of an emergency...should've been more thought out...I'm not certain but I think I remember ADF mentioning that there were two, but one was damaged on the landing and couldn't be used...still that only accounts for four crew members...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: echobbase79 on Oct 07, 2012, 06:40:52 PM
Post by: echobbase79 on Oct 07, 2012, 06:40:52 PM
Quote from: Gates on Oct 07, 2012, 05:08:07 PM
Almost all of the lifeboats in the Alienverse seem to have been designed by morons (except perhaps for Rez)...we have to come up with fan-theories on why the EEV does what it does for it to make any sorta sense...those mini escape pods in Promethefuk are hilarious (unless you're meant to go into stasis, otherwise, good luck floating around in space for two years awaiting pick-up)...and the pièce de résistance, the Narcissus, the only lifeboat for a crew of seven that, oh-so-so-sorry, only carries two...lulz...
LOL! :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 07, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
To be fair, the emergency WAS self-inflicted. The Nostromo was fine until Ripley scuttled it.
Whoever regulates commercial starship safety guidelines (ICC?) probably didn't foresee an alien bogeyman causing the entire crew to abandon ship as a scenario that needed to be planned for.
Whoever regulates commercial starship safety guidelines (ICC?) probably didn't foresee an alien bogeyman causing the entire crew to abandon ship as a scenario that needed to be planned for.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gates on Oct 07, 2012, 07:06:48 PM
Post by: Gates on Oct 07, 2012, 07:06:48 PM
Of course not...but I imagine the hazards of space travel offer a plethora of reasons why there should be...
;)
Quote from: echobbase79 on Oct 07, 2012, 06:40:52 PM
LOL! :)
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2012, 10:23:43 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2012, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 07, 2012, 05:55:26 PM
Was the Narcissus ever referred to in Alien as a lifeboat? I thought it was designed first and foremost as a shuttle that could be used as a lifeboat by its pilot in an emergency.
It's not referred to as a lifeboat, just a shuttle (at least in the first film).
The second shuttle (recently christened Salmacis) was the one that was inoperative.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 07, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 07, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 07, 2012, 10:23:43 PM
The second shuttle (recently christened Salmacis) was the one that was inoperative.
Where is that from? My memory's kinda rusty
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2012, 11:32:13 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 07, 2012, 11:32:13 PM
Graham Langridge's Nostromo blueprint. I think he and Martin Bower came up with the name. Legitimised (kinda) when it shipped with Alien Vault.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2012, 03:37:53 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2012, 03:37:53 AM
I always wondered why they didn't just use the Narcissus to land on LV-426. It would seem to be an obvious scenario in which to use a shuttle.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 08, 2012, 03:45:19 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 08, 2012, 03:45:19 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 08, 2012, 03:37:53 AM
I always wondered why they didn't just use the Narcissus to land on LV-426. It would seem to be an obvious scenario in which to use a shuttle.
I think Cameron mentioned this idea, but it would completely go over the theme of Ripleys psychological journey. She comes back willingly to fight her trauma, and that makes it more engaging and interesting than just making her drift back by default
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2012, 03:47:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2012, 03:47:31 AM
I meant instead of detaching their payload and landing the whole Nostromo. Why didn't Dallas, Kane and Lambert just take the shuttle?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 08, 2012, 03:48:33 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 08, 2012, 03:48:33 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 08, 2012, 03:45:19 AMQuote from: RaisingCane on Oct 08, 2012, 03:37:53 AM
I always wondered why they didn't just use the Narcissus to land on LV-426. It would seem to be an obvious scenario in which to use a shuttle.
I think Cameron mentioned this idea, but it would completely go over the theme of Ripleys psychological journey. She comes back willingly to fight her trauma, and that makes it more engaging and interesting than just making her drift back by default
While that's not what Raisingcane meant - I think this is much more powerful then anything Alien 3 gave us.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 04:17:01 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 04:17:01 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 08, 2012, 03:47:31 AM
I meant instead of detaching their payload and landing the whole Nostromo. Why didn't Dallas, Kane and Lambert just take the shuttle?
They needed the Nostromo to be all kinds of broken for later on.
In-universe - maybe the shuttle isn't built for atmospheric re-entry...?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 08, 2012, 04:23:04 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Oct 08, 2012, 04:23:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 04:17:01 AM
In-universe - maybe the shuttle isn't built for atmospheric re-entry...?
Thats what I thought too. It seemed like the giant Nostromo was quite bumpy when descending through the atmosphere. If so, a tiny ship like Narcissus wouldnt be able to withstand all that, and also I believe they needed the whole crew there with them. Everyone was necessary, navigator, medic, captain, engineers etc. Thats what the novelization infers too
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 04:25:20 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 04:25:20 AM
QuoteIf so, a tiny ship like Narcissus wouldnt be able to withstand all that,
57 years later - not so much.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2012, 05:50:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 08, 2012, 05:50:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 04:17:01 AM
In-universe - maybe the shuttle isn't built for atmospheric re-entry...?
I can't recall, but did the CMTM invent any such capabilities for the Narcissus like it did for the EEV? I don't have a copy handy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 06:16:59 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 08, 2012, 06:16:59 AM
Yeah I'm pretty sure it did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 13, 2012, 01:53:16 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 13, 2012, 01:53:16 PM
It is all Alien3's fault.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Amaterasu on Oct 13, 2012, 09:02:54 PM
Post by: Amaterasu on Oct 13, 2012, 09:02:54 PM
There would have been no Xeno's at all if nobody touched anything. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: EGM1966 on Oct 22, 2012, 05:15:19 PM
Post by: EGM1966 on Oct 22, 2012, 05:15:19 PM
The Egg on the Sulaco is a weak narrative failure - indeed arguably a huge continuity error - driven by the desperate need to make any kind of Alien film by a certain date despite a finished script.
There is no point trying to understand it more than that. The entire opening sequence is a minefield of actual continuity errors (is Ripley's cryotube broken or .not?) combined with what are essentially cannon continuity errors (such as eggs only opening when a host is right next to it). It's beautifully shot and edited but nonetheless a mess.
Strange Shapes I believe has a pretty great (and damning) dissection of the entire sequence.
There is no point trying to understand it more than that. The entire opening sequence is a minefield of actual continuity errors (is Ripley's cryotube broken or .not?) combined with what are essentially cannon continuity errors (such as eggs only opening when a host is right next to it). It's beautifully shot and edited but nonetheless a mess.
Strange Shapes I believe has a pretty great (and damning) dissection of the entire sequence.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 22, 2012, 08:11:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 22, 2012, 08:11:47 PM
The glass on Ripley's tube was broken by the exploding bolt and it was, IIRC, shown broken in every scene thereafter.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: EGM1966 on Oct 23, 2012, 09:58:03 AM
Post by: EGM1966 on Oct 23, 2012, 09:58:03 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 22, 2012, 08:11:47 PMNope. There are a couple of shots later in the sequence where the glass is clearly unbroken again - you're incorrect I believe.
The glass on Ripley's tube was broken by the exploding bolt and it was, IIRC, shown broken in every scene thereafter.
Then there's the fact we see a single egg yet two people/creatures get impregnated... nah the sequence is a bit of a mess really - fast cuts and beautiful imagery covering up it doesn't tie together? I mean what's the idea with the blood smear? Nobody at that point could have been bleeding (Ripley and Newt are clearly shown without chest wounds and Hicks only get's mangled in the crash.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 06:14:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 06:14:44 PM
Here are all the shots of her tube after the bolt explodes (from the special edition Blu-ray).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: EGM1966 on Oct 23, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
Post by: EGM1966 on Oct 23, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 23, 2012, 06:14:44 PMThere are side shots when the cryotube drops down where it appears clearly unbroken on my BR disk. Also there appears to be a quick shot Ripley is red shaded with no break in the glass. The tubes themselves are an even bigger continuity error. Cameron at least worked to make the interior match the Narcissus seen in Alien - the cryotubes in Alien 3 are clearly a completely different design from Aliens - so somehow while in transit their entire cryotube area got re-modeled?
Here are all the shots of her tube after the bolt explodes (from the special edition Blu-ray).
I know Fincher was doing the best he could but the sequence is clearly flawed, in part it appears down to unfilmed sequences that would have provided some continuity. As it is you see one Egg open, a facehugger crack Newt's tube, then Ripley's tube cracked (I think it's ambigous whether it's the bolt or supposed to be the result of a facehugger from the cutting) then when they splash down Newt drowns due to her cracked tube while Ripley doesn't drown despite having an equally cracked tube... and then there's the little matter of why neither Newt or Ripley are actually shown with a facehugger on them when the tubes are loaded into the escape capsule. In Alien (and strongly implied in Aliens) the facehugger remains on for quite a while as it impregnates it's victim, yet in Alien 3 the thing gets into their tubes and out again in a ridiculously short time - then somehow it still winds up in the escape capsule anyway.
I actually like Alien 3 in terms of the cinematography and some of the sequences but the picture is fatally flawed from start to finish in terms of continuity particularly with regard to what had been established beforehand regarding the creatures behavioral patterns.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: EGM1966 on Oct 23, 2012, 08:56:53 PMThere are side shots when the cryotube drops down where it appears clearly unbroken on my BR disk. Also there appears to be a quick shot Ripley is red shaded with no break in the glass.I think you're referring to the shots of Newt's tube dropping into place and Ripley's tube immediately prior to the exploding bolt. In fact, it looks like that's Ripley's tube to the left of Newt's in the second shot below and it certainly appears broken to me.
Quote from: EGM1966 on Oct 23, 2012, 08:56:53 PMand then there's the little matter of why neither Newt or Ripley are actually shown with a facehugger on them when the tubes are loaded into the escape capsule. In Alien (and strongly implied in Aliens) the facehugger remains on for quite a while as it impregnates it's victim, yet in Alien 3 the thing gets into their tubes and out again in a ridiculously short time - then somehow it still winds up in the escape capsule anyway.Not a problem if you just assume it's on Hicks. We never see him.
As for the mysterious self-repairing crack on Newt's tube, ain't technology great (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp2uVMrXTyY#t=0m50s)? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 23, 2012, 10:15:45 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 23, 2012, 10:15:45 PM
QuoteAlso there appears to be a quick shot Ripley is red shaded with no break in the glass.
That's because it's before the explosion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
How does SM usually rationalize the disappearing crack on Newt's tube?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 23, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 23, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
SM says the opening sequence is Ripley's hypersleep dream and a distorted version of what's really happening.
Literally - there is no explanation for the magic repairing cryotube. Same as how there's no literal explanation for the position of the egg or the different cryotubes.
Literally - there is no explanation for the magic repairing cryotube. Same as how there's no literal explanation for the position of the egg or the different cryotubes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 11:56:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 23, 2012, 11:56:16 PM
The only thing I can't explain is the different cryotubes.
Unless...
Isn't Aliens: Infestation canon now? ;D
Unless...
Isn't Aliens: Infestation canon now? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 24, 2012, 12:08:25 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 24, 2012, 12:08:25 AM
nuh COLONial mareins lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 24, 2012, 12:59:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 24, 2012, 12:59:44 AM
I hear Gearbox is making A:CM to fit seamlessly with A:I. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 24, 2012, 05:34:01 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Oct 24, 2012, 05:34:01 AM
Quote from: RaisingCane on Oct 23, 2012, 11:56:16 PMFincher preferred the Alien design tubes.
The only thing I can't explain is the different cryotubes.
...
Oh, in-universe? Uh ... pass! ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: enyapneb on Oct 25, 2012, 10:12:50 PM
Post by: enyapneb on Oct 25, 2012, 10:12:50 PM
If you watch the DC Alien 3 you will see the prisoner holds a larger face hugger (queen) which I read could lay 2x eggs. One would be a drone the other a queen.
The non Alien 3 DC shows the face hugger in the ship and the evac pod - it gives the impression that hugger can lay twice, rip then the dog.
The non Alien 3 DC shows the face hugger in the ship and the evac pod - it gives the impression that hugger can lay twice, rip then the dog.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: echobbase79 on Oct 27, 2012, 02:44:08 AM
Post by: echobbase79 on Oct 27, 2012, 02:44:08 AM
I've always wondered could the movie play just fine without that opening scene and just start on the prison planet with Clemons walking on the beach.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Oct 27, 2012, 03:21:39 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Oct 27, 2012, 03:21:39 AM
I don't see why not but then everyone would be complaining why they didn't show what happened. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2012, 04:12:54 AM
Post by: SM on Oct 27, 2012, 04:12:54 AM
You'd need some sort of explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: echobbase79 on Oct 27, 2012, 04:28:58 AM
Post by: echobbase79 on Oct 27, 2012, 04:28:58 AM
Wouldn't the scene where Ripley learns what happened from Bishop be enough?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Oct 27, 2012, 06:46:28 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Oct 27, 2012, 06:46:28 AM
Well I suppose it would be kind of like cutting the facehugger attack on Ripley and Newt and then having them lynch burk.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 27, 2012, 06:53:37 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 27, 2012, 06:53:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 27, 2012, 04:12:54 AMI think talking to Bishop would fill the gap fine. Ward's script had plenty of issues, but not showing what went down on the Sulaco wasn't really one of them. The big issue of the egg on the ship isn't so much its existence as its placement, and the confusion as to whether it's one impregnating two hosts or two huggers. Remove the opening sequence, have Ripley ask "Was there an Alien on board", keep the Super Facehugger -- I reckon most of your problems would be fixed.
You'd need some sort of explanation.
Not in the neatest way, but better to have vague hand waving and let the audience figure it all out, than try to show what's going on, and just make a mess of it. IMO, anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 27, 2012, 03:09:08 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Oct 27, 2012, 03:09:08 PM
...Alien 3 and 4 turn out to be the dream Ripley had in her Cryo-tube on her return journey to Gateway station.
Ripley wakes in tube...
...roll credits of A:CM....
Exterior shot of Gateway, Sulaco orbiting dark earth...
Hicks voice over begins......
Ripley wakes in tube...
...roll credits of A:CM....
Exterior shot of Gateway, Sulaco orbiting dark earth...
Hicks voice over begins......
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 27, 2012, 03:21:08 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 27, 2012, 03:21:08 PM
...Alien turns out to be a dream Ripley had on the Nostromo on the way back to Earth.
Ripley wakes in tube...
...roll credits of Ripley's Adventure Home...
Exterior shot of Nostromo, headed towards Earth...
Ripley voice over begins...
;)
Ripley wakes in tube...
...roll credits of Ripley's Adventure Home...
Exterior shot of Nostromo, headed towards Earth...
Ripley voice over begins...
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Post by: SM on Oct 28, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
QuoteI think talking to Bishop would fill the gap fine.
Yeah that would probably work come to think of it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gilfryd on Oct 29, 2012, 12:06:24 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Oct 29, 2012, 12:06:24 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 24, 2012, 05:34:01 AMFincher preferred the Alien design tubes.
Which I think was a bullshit move after Cameron stuck to Scott's design sense and slowly moved to something more his style. The first time you see the Sulaco in Aliens is when it really becomes his movie visually.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Oct 29, 2012, 01:40:46 AM
Post by: stephen on Oct 29, 2012, 01:40:46 AM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Oct 29, 2012, 12:06:24 AMQuote from: Valaquen on Oct 24, 2012, 05:34:01 AMFincher preferred the Alien design tubes.
Which I think was a bullshit move after Cameron stuck to Scott's design sense and slowly moved to something more his style. The first time you see the Sulaco in Aliens is when it really becomes his movie visually.
I agree.
I'm all for filmmakers putting their creative stamp on their film - but if you're making a sequel then i hate it when they disregard certain aspects. Like that whole cyrotube thing. I just think that's silly.
I happen to think that there is an artform to creating a sequel. I think Cameron is a master at it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Oct 29, 2012, 06:17:55 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Oct 29, 2012, 06:17:55 AM
No tubes was a better choice than the floppy tubes we got from that movie you know you all love.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Dec 30, 2012, 04:31:12 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Dec 30, 2012, 04:31:12 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 23, 2012, 10:31:29 PM
SM says the opening sequence is Ripley's hypersleep dream and a distorted version of what's really happening.
Literally - there is no explanation for the magic repairing cryotube. Same as how there's no literal explanation for the position of the egg or the different cryotubes.
Right and the dreamlike storytelling is all that mattered because they were interested was meant to be expressionistic. That's not a plot hole. That's an artistic choice.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 30, 2012, 05:59:59 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 30, 2012, 05:59:59 AM
It was xeno-magic. Now you see it, now you don't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 22, 2013, 10:23:31 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 22, 2013, 10:23:31 PM
Hey, can I temporarily derail this mother a bit? I want to know, and maybe you old salties have had this convo many times already, but wouldn't WY most likely go to the Sulaco immediately following their departure at Fury, and collect the empty egg?
That would at least be something, with Weyland having the egg. I'm sure with a sophisticated team like that, they could break in to an old boat like the Sulaco and cover their tracks... what sayest thou?
That would at least be something, with Weyland having the egg. I'm sure with a sophisticated team like that, they could break in to an old boat like the Sulaco and cover their tracks... what sayest thou?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 23, 2013, 01:27:07 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 23, 2013, 01:27:07 AM
???
Why would the team need to cover their tracks? And so what if they have an empty egg?
Why would the team need to cover their tracks? And so what if they have an empty egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 23, 2013, 02:28:40 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 23, 2013, 02:28:40 AM
wait, are you talking A:CM canon...?
Why did they wake up Hicks, then let Ripley asleep until she and Newt got jettisoned(along with whoever that spaguetti man was), and THEN went to fetch Ripley in the Patna, if the Sulaco was already there?
Were they even in control of the Sulaco if aparently there was an outbreak? How did they get it back?
Why did they wake up Hicks, then let Ripley asleep until she and Newt got jettisoned(along with whoever that spaguetti man was), and THEN went to fetch Ripley in the Patna, if the Sulaco was already there?
Were they even in control of the Sulaco if aparently there was an outbreak? How did they get it back?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 23, 2013, 02:47:46 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 23, 2013, 02:47:46 AM
naw naw, talking right after Alien3.
Because boarding a USCM ship without authoritzation and taking something like the egg, which would be extremely important evidence to any investigation which would inevitably occur, is illegal. Not only could WY be charged with the above, but they would be implicated with the deaths of everyone at Fiorina and possibly at Hadleys if the USCM or ICC became aware that they knew about the dangerous organism (which everyone in Ripley's inquest had just heard about weeks earlier.)
They would have to remove every trace of the Alien egg, and leave the Sulaco as a mystery with missing cryotubes, acid damage, and a second dropship that was used. I think only WY would have the ability to pull something like that off.
But then Weyland would have an egg to study, at least. This could lead to something, eh? Some wild ass EU story... like the Terminators arm!
Quote from: stephen on Feb 23, 2013, 01:27:07 AM
Why would the team need to cover their tracks? And so what if they have an empty egg?
Because boarding a USCM ship without authoritzation and taking something like the egg, which would be extremely important evidence to any investigation which would inevitably occur, is illegal. Not only could WY be charged with the above, but they would be implicated with the deaths of everyone at Fiorina and possibly at Hadleys if the USCM or ICC became aware that they knew about the dangerous organism (which everyone in Ripley's inquest had just heard about weeks earlier.)
They would have to remove every trace of the Alien egg, and leave the Sulaco as a mystery with missing cryotubes, acid damage, and a second dropship that was used. I think only WY would have the ability to pull something like that off.
But then Weyland would have an egg to study, at least. This could lead to something, eh? Some wild ass EU story... like the Terminators arm!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 23, 2013, 03:16:19 AM
Post by: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 23, 2013, 03:16:19 AM
And asuming everything in Conestoga ships is automated, they would also have to hack into the ship mainframe to delete that docking and boarding instance from the logs, and that would be an act of espionage at the least or terrorism at the most.
That is, if Wey-Yu doesn't have it's mitts deep into the Colonial Marines' business already, as a lot of people believe.
That is, if Wey-Yu doesn't have it's mitts deep into the Colonial Marines' business already, as a lot of people believe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: lizard5 on Jun 12, 2013, 04:36:45 AM
Post by: lizard5 on Jun 12, 2013, 04:36:45 AM
What if an alien drone saw the queen and followed her to the ship where he took the eggs she was holding,
quote from someone else: There's two ways this could've happened:
1) She rescued it from the nursery and hid it between the spines on her back
that's how the drone got the eggs from the queen, he then proceeded to place it, in the place where the egg in the movie (alien 3)
is seen and the other is placed somewhere off screen
Some would say "But what happened to the alien drone" well here's my answers
A: the alien is not seen and gets sucked out when Ripley opens the air lock
B: the alien is told by the queen to get more eggs so he goes back and then the ship takes off
quote from someone else: There's two ways this could've happened:
1) She rescued it from the nursery and hid it between the spines on her back
that's how the drone got the eggs from the queen, he then proceeded to place it, in the place where the egg in the movie (alien 3)
is seen and the other is placed somewhere off screen
Some would say "But what happened to the alien drone" well here's my answers
A: the alien is not seen and gets sucked out when Ripley opens the air lock
B: the alien is told by the queen to get more eggs so he goes back and then the ship takes off
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Jun 14, 2013, 05:52:54 AM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Jun 14, 2013, 05:52:54 AM
One other issue, Ripley should have still gotten a facehugger attached to her face when crashing. She'd rather get dislocated jaw first than we'd see facehugger letting go of its grip.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 02:53:37 AM
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 02:53:37 AM
I just don't see it being the queen, she was to occupied with Ripley and you never saw her carrying an egg before she hitched a ride, and she couldnt lay it since she was not attached to her egg sac. Therefore, Bishop has to be the culprit as he was probably carrying out orders from Burk before he died.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
Bishop has no motive or opportunity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 28, 2013, 07:41:06 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 28, 2013, 07:41:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
Bishop has no motive or opportunity.
Ordered to do it is motive enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 28, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 28, 2013, 09:26:35 AM
Cannot harm, or by omission of action allow to be harmed, a human being. Which would cover stowing an egg in an unsecured location.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 12:18:54 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 12:18:54 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
Bishop has no motive or opportunity.
Dude, HE IS WORKING IN THE LAB ON FACEHUGGERS THE WHOLE MOVIE UNTIL THE END, god knows what else he found in there! Also when they had to leave newt and ripley for a few minutes, how the hell do we know he didnt stow an egg away in the dropship!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 28, 2013, 08:54:42 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 28, 2013, 08:54:42 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 12:18:54 PMQuote from: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
Bishop has no motive or opportunity.
Dude, HE IS WORKING IN THE LAB ON FACEHUGGERS THE WHOLE MOVIE UNTIL THE END, god knows what else he found in there! Also when they had to leave newt and ripley for a few minutes, how the hell do we know he didnt stow an egg away in the dropship!
This forum need a bot that replies to posts like the one above with the appropriate SMism.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 12:18:54 PMQuote from: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 04:06:54 AM
Bishop has no motive or opportunity.
Dude, HE IS WORKING IN THE LAB ON FACEHUGGERS THE WHOLE MOVIE UNTIL THE END, god knows what else he found in there! Also when they had to leave newt and ripley for a few minutes, how the hell do we know he didnt stow an egg away in the dropship!
Because movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 28, 2013, 10:15:09 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 28, 2013, 10:15:09 PM
SM is useless. He is really a Troll spurting his biased opinion.
His Bishop quote is the red herring to make you think he's a good bot, but he really has his own programmed agenda.
Anyway, maybe it was royal jelly. The stupidest term ever.
His Bishop quote is the red herring to make you think he's a good bot, but he really has his own programmed agenda.
Anyway, maybe it was royal jelly. The stupidest term ever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
More amusing and predictably pointless drivel from someone posting on a forum about movies he's never actually seen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 28, 2013, 10:42:38 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 28, 2013, 10:42:38 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 12:18:54 PMDead ones.
Dude, HE IS WORKING IN THE LAB ON FACEHUGGERS THE WHOLE MOVIE UNTIL THE END,
Quotegod knows what else he found in there!In where? The labs? There weren't any eggs.
QuoteAlso when they had to leave newt and ripley for a few minutes, how the hell do we know he didnt stow an egg away in the dropship!Because we saw the egg chamber in the movie. Ripley was walking right through it. And she torched it when she left.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
Dead ones.
There was one live facehugger you see when they first enter the lab
In where? The labs? There weren't any eggs.
How are you sure, they never showed us everything in the lab, and all the facehuggers in jars had to have been extracted from the eggs, which means they must have brought some back.
Because we saw the egg chamber in the movie. Ripley was walking right through it. And she torched it when she left.
[/quote]
Not all the eggs were in there, based on what I know, some aliens carry eggs throughout the hive to cover a broader range of the hive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 28, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 28, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 10:51:28 PM
Not all the eggs were in there, based on what I know, some aliens carry eggs throughout the hive to cover a broader range of the hive.
I would like to know more.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 28, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 28, 2013, 11:02:04 PM
For example, the egg in front of Newt was not in the egg chamber around the Queen.
SM, give it a rest.
SM, give it a rest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 11:10:08 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 11:10:08 PM
I would like to know more.
[/quote]
From my knowledge there are drones that carry eggs to infect more people around the hive, however, we only see warriors in Aliens so this must mean that either the warriors were carrying eggs in different spots or somebody else was.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
QuoteThere was one live facehugger you see when they first enter the lab
There were two. Both were shot when they attacked Ripley and Newt.
Quote
How are you sure, they never showed us everything in the lab, and all the facehuggers in jars had to have been extracted from the eggs, which means they must have brought some back.
No it doesn't. We don't know how they got the live ones.
Quote
From my knowledge there are drones that carry eggs to infect more people around the hive, however, we only see warriors in Aliens so this must mean that either the warriors were carrying eggs in different spots or somebody else was.
The Aliens carry the egg to the host. We never see any unopened eggs lying around the hive - just open ones. All the unopened ones are in the Queen's chamber.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 29, 2013, 02:02:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 29, 2013, 02:02:45 AM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Jun 28, 2013, 10:51:28 PMBishop wasn't studying it.
There was one live facehugger you see when they first enter the lab
Quote from: SM on Jun 28, 2013, 11:26:32 PMSame way they got the dead ones -- off of colonist's faces.
No it doesn't. We don't know how they got the live ones.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 29, 2013, 02:09:42 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 29, 2013, 02:09:42 AM
Entirely likely. Or they snagged one at some point before it tagged someone.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 29, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Jun 29, 2013, 05:22:48 PM
Dang SM, wait to shoot me down....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 30, 2013, 05:23:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 30, 2013, 05:23:32 PM
That's what the SM bot does.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jul 09, 2013, 06:51:26 AM
Post by: stephen on Jul 09, 2013, 06:51:26 AM
While I don't think Bishop did it at all I will play devils advocate regarding a few things:
SM mentioned that Bishop has no motiviation which was defused with the comment that orders is motivation enough.
Secondly someone (I think Sil) argued that Bishop couldn't have had those kinds of orders because of "it is impossible for to harm or by an ommission of action allow to be harmed a human being" - I'd also argue that programming could get around that easily enough. Humans lie, I'm sure a human in control of a sophisticated piece of machinery like an Andriod could make it lie as well.
As for the Opportunity - that's a whole other issue.
Bottom line for me is that Bishop didn't do it as there is NOTHING in the film to suggest he did it.
SM mentioned that Bishop has no motiviation which was defused with the comment that orders is motivation enough.
Secondly someone (I think Sil) argued that Bishop couldn't have had those kinds of orders because of "it is impossible for to harm or by an ommission of action allow to be harmed a human being" - I'd also argue that programming could get around that easily enough. Humans lie, I'm sure a human in control of a sophisticated piece of machinery like an Andriod could make it lie as well.
As for the Opportunity - that's a whole other issue.
Bottom line for me is that Bishop didn't do it as there is NOTHING in the film to suggest he did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 09, 2013, 10:56:32 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 09, 2013, 10:56:32 AM
Except the Dropship came up from below as Ripley exclaimed "Damn you Bishop!".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheMonolith on Jul 09, 2013, 12:17:25 PM
Post by: TheMonolith on Jul 09, 2013, 12:17:25 PM
Was done for dramatic effect and nothing more.
The alien ship rising from behind Devil's Tower in Close Encounters of the Third Kind makes just as much sense, that is, very little. But it makes for an impressive shot.
The alien ship rising from behind Devil's Tower in Close Encounters of the Third Kind makes just as much sense, that is, very little. But it makes for an impressive shot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2013, 02:57:21 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2013, 02:57:21 PM
I'd also like to point out that that, despite Ripley's instructions and protests, Bishop never did kill those live facehuggers. They were still safely contained in stasis tubes when he left for the uplink tower, which also means he had no reason to covertly obtain an egg. Burke already had his specimens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jul 09, 2013, 10:16:15 PM
Post by: stephen on Jul 09, 2013, 10:16:15 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 09, 2013, 10:56:32 AM
Except the Dropship came up from below as Ripley exclaimed "Damn you Bishop!".
Who is this in response to?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jul 09, 2013, 11:25:22 PM
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jul 09, 2013, 11:25:22 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 29, 2013, 02:02:45 AM
Same way they got the dead ones -- off of colonist's faces.
Worst job in the future, ever: Voluntary facehugger bait.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2013, 11:27:32 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2013, 11:27:32 PM
Quote from: stephen on Jul 09, 2013, 10:16:15 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Jul 09, 2013, 10:56:32 AM
Except the Dropship came up from below as Ripley exclaimed "Damn you Bishop!".
Who is this in response to?
Assuming anything Vermillion said was even remotely relevant - it's predictably not accurate. There's over a minute between Ripley cursing out Bishop and the dropship rising into view.
QuoteSM mentioned that Bishop has no motiviation which was defused with the comment that orders is motivation enough.
Burke's order are countermanded by Ripley's orders. Burke doesn't have any greater authority than Ripley. He'd be at a stalemate and someone else would need carry the order to save or destroy the specimens.
If Bishop has any personal motivation in the matter, he makes no protest to Ripley the same way Ash did.
QuoteSecondly someone (I think Sil) argued that Bishop couldn't have had those kinds of orders because of "it is impossible for to harm or by an ommission of action allow to be harmed a human being" - I'd also argue that programming could get around that easily enough. Humans lie, I'm sure a human in control of a sophisticated piece of machinery like an Andriod could make it lie as well.
Pretty huge assumption that it's 'easy' to violate core programming.
QuoteI'd also like to point out that that, despite Ripley's instructions and protests, Bishop never did kill those live facehuggers. They were still safely contained in stasis tubes when he left for the uplink tower, which also means he had no reason to covertly obtain an egg. Burke already had his specimens.
Putting aside Bishop's lack of opportunity to kill the huggers, the argument against this would be that since Burke didn't show up at the dropship and nor did the huggers, Bishop landed after dropping off Ripley and got an egg from the hive.
Which is of course bullshit, but there you go.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 10, 2013, 02:45:53 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 10, 2013, 02:45:53 AM
Your anticipation of the rebuttal leads me to believe that you've heard it before.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 10, 2013, 03:00:20 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 10, 2013, 03:00:20 AM
Maybe once.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 10, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 10, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
I love these threads.
My two cents on how they got the Hadleys' huggers.. there's no way they're stupid enough to actually bring one of the facehuggers back unattached if they knew they were dangerous parasites that attacked people on sight. There have got to be procedures out the ass for dealing with that sort of thing, and there would be plenty of company reps/stooges on Hadleys to enforce this. Even more likely since one colonist was already "infected."
I've also thought about how maybe the number of huggers in the lab is a clue. The two they removed alive were taken off before embryo implantation. Obviously we know that facehuggers fall off and die after impregnating someone, so that could mean the other 4 were the original 4 aliens to be born in Hadleys proper.
That would be a feasible scenario, with six people hugged including Mr. Jordan. They would need to have enough personnel to drag these individuals back as well, so 6 people hugged mean at least another 2 that can retrieve them all. Suppose it only took 5 curious carls for the remaining team to learn not to stick their faces in the giant slimy eggs, eh?
My two cents on how they got the Hadleys' huggers.. there's no way they're stupid enough to actually bring one of the facehuggers back unattached if they knew they were dangerous parasites that attacked people on sight. There have got to be procedures out the ass for dealing with that sort of thing, and there would be plenty of company reps/stooges on Hadleys to enforce this. Even more likely since one colonist was already "infected."
I've also thought about how maybe the number of huggers in the lab is a clue. The two they removed alive were taken off before embryo implantation. Obviously we know that facehuggers fall off and die after impregnating someone, so that could mean the other 4 were the original 4 aliens to be born in Hadleys proper.
That would be a feasible scenario, with six people hugged including Mr. Jordan. They would need to have enough personnel to drag these individuals back as well, so 6 people hugged mean at least another 2 that can retrieve them all. Suppose it only took 5 curious carls for the remaining team to learn not to stick their faces in the giant slimy eggs, eh?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 10, 2013, 10:06:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 10, 2013, 10:06:39 PM
I've never been comfortable with the implied off-screen sequence of events that Cameron wants us to believe happened. I'd rather believe that Russ Jorden was rushed back to the colony for medical treatment and the first chestburster was able to start a nest by itself.
The idiocy of at least five more colonists venturing into the derelict for a "fool me twice" is just too staggering for words.
The idiocy of at least five more colonists venturing into the derelict for a "fool me twice" is just too staggering for words.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 10, 2013, 11:08:22 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 10, 2013, 11:08:22 PM
QuoteThere have got to be procedures out the ass for dealing with that sort of thing, and there would be plenty of company reps/stooges on Hadleys to enforce this.
They had quarantine procedures and company stooges in Alien too...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 10, 2013, 11:50:46 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 10, 2013, 11:50:46 PM
And look at how much Company stooge Burke cared for procedure later on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 11, 2013, 08:26:20 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 11, 2013, 08:26:20 AM
The company stooges are like some horrible, phallic ejaculation from the Alien.... a perverse and unwanted relation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Simpson and Lydecker didn't strike me as the type who would allow greed or curiosity to jeopardize the safety of the colony.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: blood. on Jul 12, 2013, 10:49:15 PM
Post by: blood. on Jul 12, 2013, 10:49:15 PM
I'd say it was David Fincher who stole the eggs from the hive, and planted them on the sulaco so that he could have a plot for alien 3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BR1XER on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
Post by: BR1XER on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jul 12, 2013, 10:49:15 PMHehe, good one. ::)
I'd say it was David Fincher who stole the eggs from the hive, and planted them on the sulaco so that he could have a plot for alien 3
I personally believe that a drone carrying an egg accompanied the Queen on the way to the Sulaco, and scampered off the dropship minutes after the Queen-to-Bishop incident. It then proceeded to make its way through the vents, and laid the egg in the barracks near the cryochambers. The drone's presence may also have a hand in kickstarting the infestation aboard the Sulaco in A:CM, if you count that as canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 13, 2013, 07:34:24 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Jul 13, 2013, 07:34:24 AM
Quote from: jedi9061 on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
Hehe, good one. ::)
I personally believe that a drone carrying an egg accompanied the Queen on the way to the Sulaco, and scampered off the dropship minutes after the Queen-to-Bishop incident. It then proceeded to make its way through the vents, and laid the egg in the barracks near the cryochambers. The drone's presence may also have a hand in kickstarting the infestation aboard the Sulaco in A:CM, if you count that as canon.
This is actually not the most ridiculous idea I've seen proposed for this godlike plot hole... but I think it's not likely as we see all of the drones at the Queen's disposal killed while in the hive. It also would've had to accompany her on the elevator ride, all the while remaining hidden from Rips. That would be some epic sneaky warrior there. :laugh:
But it's a hell of a lot better than what Gearbox came up with, I tell ya that! Would much prefer your version, especially if they tied it in with the WY ship that intercepts them encountering it, or the queen molt theory... could have video-game-level story potential.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Jul 13, 2013, 11:53:31 AM
Post by: irn on Jul 13, 2013, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: jedi9061 on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
I personally believe that a drone carrying an egg accompanied the Queen on the way to the Sulaco, and scampered off the dropship minutes after the Queen-to-Bishop incident.
Well there was that one on the dropship anyway that killed the pilot and caused it to crash. The dropship was back in the Sulaco with it on board so maybe it took an egg along and left it there. Or perhaps even started the process of egg morphing on a Sulaco crew member, if you're that way inclined.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TorsoInvader on Jul 13, 2013, 03:26:41 PM
Post by: TorsoInvader on Jul 13, 2013, 03:26:41 PM
lol the xeno stowaway theory has been around since alien 3 actually.
All gearbox had to have said was that one got onboard planted the egg(s) and went into hideing in the lower levels of the ship.Then it would change into a preatorian and go dormant,bam WY boards ship transfroms into a queen and the hive starts.
Gearbox should have payed one of us millions of dollars to write a story,instead of making the plot holes worse be letting someone who does not know what he is talking about write it.
All gearbox had to have said was that one got onboard planted the egg(s) and went into hideing in the lower levels of the ship.Then it would change into a preatorian and go dormant,bam WY boards ship transfroms into a queen and the hive starts.
Gearbox should have payed one of us millions of dollars to write a story,instead of making the plot holes worse be letting someone who does not know what he is talking about write it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BR1XER on Jul 13, 2013, 03:40:32 PM
Post by: BR1XER on Jul 13, 2013, 03:40:32 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jul 13, 2013, 07:34:24 AMI speculate that the drone nested itself on the Queen's back promptly after Ripley lit up the nest. It was probably ordered to do so, since the Queen knew shit was going down, and that she may never see the hive again. Aboard the Sulaco, the drone then "unloaded" from the Queen's back as it searched for Newt (with/without Bishop noticing). What's interesting is that if Bishop did indeed notice, but didn't alert Ripley, it would prove he still had a company agenda to fulfill. :P
That would be some epic sneaky warrior there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Jul 13, 2013, 04:34:25 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Jul 13, 2013, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: irn on Jul 13, 2013, 11:53:31 AMNo way, first off it was a completely different drop ship because there were 2 in the sulacos hangar. The way I look at it was fox needed a story to make a 3rd alien that would rip people off because after the success of the first 2 they knew people would pay for a third one. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that there is no way an egg was snuck onto the sulaco (if you look at james Camerons intentions) and we will never know because fox has no idea how it got there either, they just made up a story that they didn't have to explain.Quote from: jedi9061 on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
I personally believe that a drone carrying an egg accompanied the Queen on the way to the Sulaco, and scampered off the dropship minutes after the Queen-to-Bishop incident.
Well there was that one on the dropship anyway that killed the pilot and caused it to crash. The dropship was back in the Sulaco with it on board so maybe it took an egg along and left it there. Or perhaps even started the process of egg morphing on a Sulaco crew member, if you're that way inclined.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2013, 01:06:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2013, 01:06:10 AM
I'm still sticking to my theory that it started out as a small, premature egg that the queen dripped out of her gaping wound. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1483278#msg1483278)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 14, 2013, 08:44:22 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 14, 2013, 08:44:22 AM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Jul 13, 2013, 04:34:25 PMQuote from: irn on Jul 13, 2013, 11:53:31 AMNo way, first off it was a completely different drop ship because there were 2 in the sulacos hangar. The way I look at it was fox needed a story to make a 3rd alien that would rip people off because after the success of the first 2 they knew people would pay for a third one. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that there is no way an egg was snuck onto the sulaco (if you look at james Camerons intentions) and we will never know because fox has no idea how it got there either, they just made up a story that they didn't have to explain.Quote from: jedi9061 on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
I personally believe that a drone carrying an egg accompanied the Queen on the way to the Sulaco, and scampered off the dropship minutes after the Queen-to-Bishop incident.
Well there was that one on the dropship anyway that killed the pilot and caused it to crash. The dropship was back in the Sulaco with it on board so maybe it took an egg along and left it there. Or perhaps even started the process of egg morphing on a Sulaco crew member, if you're that way inclined.
Pretty much sums it up....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Jul 14, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
Post by: irn on Jul 14, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2013, 01:06:10 AM
I'm still sticking to my theory that it started out as a small, premature egg that the queen dripped out of her gaping wound. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1483278#msg1483278)
I can live with this one. In fact this is now part of my official personal in-head canon.
However, how about the egg was formed by the queen having some Prometheus black goo on her which dripped off and turned blood from the wounded Hicks into an egg...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 14, 2013, 11:30:49 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 14, 2013, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Jul 13, 2013, 04:34:25 PMQuote from: irn on Jul 13, 2013, 11:53:31 AMNo way, first off it was a completely different drop ship because there were 2 in the sulacos hangar. The way I look at it was fox needed a story to make a 3rd alien that would rip people off because after the success of the first 2 they knew people would pay for a third one. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that there is no way an egg was snuck onto the sulaco (if you look at james Camerons intentions) and we will never know because fox has no idea how it got there either, they just made up a story that they didn't have to explain.Quote from: jedi9061 on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
I personally believe that a drone carrying an egg accompanied the Queen on the way to the Sulaco, and scampered off the dropship minutes after the Queen-to-Bishop incident.
Well there was that one on the dropship anyway that killed the pilot and caused it to crash. The dropship was back in the Sulaco with it on board so maybe it took an egg along and left it there. Or perhaps even started the process of egg morphing on a Sulaco crew member, if you're that way inclined.
Fox didn't make anything up - they got Brandywine to hire writers to sort that out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jarac on Jul 15, 2013, 04:42:40 PM
Post by: Jarac on Jul 15, 2013, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 14, 2013, 11:30:49 PMQuote from: DerelictShip on Jul 13, 2013, 04:34:25 PMQuote from: irn on Jul 13, 2013, 11:53:31 AMNo way, first off it was a completely different drop ship because there were 2 in the sulacos hangar. The way I look at it was fox needed a story to make a 3rd alien that would rip people off because after the success of the first 2 they knew people would pay for a third one. Anyway what I'm trying to say is that there is no way an egg was snuck onto the sulaco (if you look at james Camerons intentions) and we will never know because fox has no idea how it got there either, they just made up a story that they didn't have to explain.Quote from: jedi9061 on Jul 13, 2013, 05:06:32 AM
I personally believe that a drone carrying an egg accompanied the Queen on the way to the Sulaco, and scampered off the dropship minutes after the Queen-to-Bishop incident.
Well there was that one on the dropship anyway that killed the pilot and caused it to crash. The dropship was back in the Sulaco with it on board so maybe it took an egg along and left it there. Or perhaps even started the process of egg morphing on a Sulaco crew member, if you're that way inclined.
Fox didn't make anything up - they got Brandywine to hire writers to sort that out.
I think this just lends credence to the idea that FOX doesn't really care about the franchise's writing or consistency and just puts something on-screen even if it flies in the face of what you know (and not in a good revelation way).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 15, 2013, 09:36:50 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 15, 2013, 09:36:50 PM
You mean by operating like every other studio ... ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 15, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
Quite. Fox didn't create Alien. Fox don't create anything. They finance others to do it for them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 15, 2013, 11:23:12 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 15, 2013, 11:23:12 PM
For better or worse, I consider Giler and Hill the authority on Alien lore if anyone can be given that label at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eva on Jul 16, 2013, 12:10:24 AM
Post by: Eva on Jul 16, 2013, 12:10:24 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2013, 01:06:10 AMYou're suggesting Alien 3 happened because the Alien Queen had her period? :D
I'm still sticking to my theory that it started out as a small, premature egg that the queen dripped out of her gaping wound. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1483278#msg1483278)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
Well she did seem pretty pissed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 12:23:23 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 12:23:23 AM
It does explain a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGqwh_0gUvY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGqwh_0gUvY#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGqwh_0gUvY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGqwh_0gUvY#)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eva on Jul 16, 2013, 12:24:14 AM
Post by: Eva on Jul 16, 2013, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 16, 2013, 12:20:16 AM
Well she did seem pretty pissed.
No shit. She had probably just seen AvP:Requim and spontaneously produced an egg on the spot for the intention of wiping out our civilization, before we could do any more harm. Can we blame her?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 12:28:37 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: Eva on Jul 16, 2013, 12:24:14 AMRequim
Is that a typo?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2013, 12:32:02 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2013, 12:32:02 AM
Well she apparently can't lay eggs without it, so she had to regenerate her genitalia or, indeed, 'requim'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eva on Jul 16, 2013, 12:44:07 AM
Post by: Eva on Jul 16, 2013, 12:44:07 AM
I really need to learn when to speak my mind or just shut up on this forum... :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 01:01:04 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 01:01:04 AM
That's okay. Thanks to you, I think SM is softening up to my theory now.
So to speak.
So to speak.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Jul 16, 2013, 05:21:02 AM
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Jul 16, 2013, 05:21:02 AM
Quote from: irn on Jul 14, 2013, 11:21:50 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2013, 01:06:10 AM
I'm still sticking to my theory that it started out as a small, premature egg that the queen dripped out of her gaping wound. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1483278#msg1483278)
I can live with this one. In fact this is now part of my official personal in-head canon.
However, how about the egg was formed by the queen having some Prometheus black goo on her which dripped off and turned blood from the wounded Hicks into an egg...
And where'd the black goo come from?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 07:02:48 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2013, 07:02:48 AM
The X-Files.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2013, 07:07:31 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 16, 2013, 07:07:31 AM
The X-Onvaldez
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2013, 10:22:59 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2013, 10:22:59 AM
The thing that bugs me most about the Sulaco egg is not so much that it's there, but that it's in some completely obscure part of the ship. If they had put it in the dropship's landing gear I could've at least accepted that maybe the Queen carried it aboard (she does have four arms after all) and stuck it in there before attacking Bishop.
Of course, that still doesn't explain how she could've done that when we clearly see she isn't carrying anything as she leaves the elevator inside the atmosphere processor, but it's a retcon with at least a shred of believability. Or at least a shred more than the Alien 3 we ultimately got. Then again, an egg in the dropship landing gear would also beg the question how neither the Sulaco's computer nor Ripely and the others managed not to realise it was there, given they were hanging around right next to it
Of course, that still doesn't explain how she could've done that when we clearly see she isn't carrying anything as she leaves the elevator inside the atmosphere processor, but it's a retcon with at least a shred of believability. Or at least a shred more than the Alien 3 we ultimately got. Then again, an egg in the dropship landing gear would also beg the question how neither the Sulaco's computer nor Ripely and the others managed not to realise it was there, given they were hanging around right next to it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
I'd assume that the Sulaco's computer relies on video cameras and motion trackers versus some kind of nebulous all-seeing Star Trek sensor gear. Therefore, the presence of an alien on board would go undetected until the egg hatched and the facehugger actually started moving around.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 22, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 22, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
Yup.
Vague 'sensor sweeps' aren't really an Alien thing.
Vague 'sensor sweeps' aren't really an Alien thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 23, 2013, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 23, 2013, 07:37:00 AM
Yeah, my point was more that if I'd just had a huge smackdown with a giant alien matriarch that had come out of the dropship's underbelly, I'd be inclined to have a poke around to check there weren't any more before I tucked myself into bed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2013, 06:57:53 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2013, 06:57:53 AM
If it was just globs of lumpy goo that took days or weeks to form into an egg, it could have easily gone unnoticed during the search that so many fans insist Ripley must have performed before hitting the hay.
I sense I'm gaining traction.
I sense I'm gaining traction.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2013, 07:37:01 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2013, 07:37:01 AM
But when is it ever suggested the egg starts as just lumps off goo?
And I'm not saying they search the whole ship. Just if it was me, I'd have a look around in the cavity that the queen emerged from, for my own piece of mind. And whatever I found that was out of the ordinary, I'd flush it out the Gad-damn airlock.
And I'm not saying they search the whole ship. Just if it was me, I'd have a look around in the cavity that the queen emerged from, for my own piece of mind. And whatever I found that was out of the ordinary, I'd flush it out the Gad-damn airlock.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 25, 2013, 09:40:57 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 25, 2013, 09:40:57 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 23, 2013, 07:37:00 AM
Yeah, my point was more that if I'd just had a huge smackdown with a giant alien matriarch that had come out of the dropship's underbelly, I'd be inclined to have a poke around to check there weren't any more before I tucked myself into bed.
^^ This....
The only place an egg could have been (hugely unlikely though it is) is on the dropship, which would probably have taken no more than 15-20 minutes to thoroughly search. Certainly, having seen an egg laying Queen alien clamber out of it not long before, you'd think the first thing Ripley (or anyone with half a brain) would do would be to have a root around for any unpleasant surprises. Still, they had to come up with a way to churn out another film I guess..... :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jarac on Jul 25, 2013, 05:46:27 PM
Post by: Jarac on Jul 25, 2013, 05:46:27 PM
It doesn't help that the freaking A:CM Stasis Interrupted DLC still left the thing as a mystery. But now we know it was pretty much right next to the pods.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenoscream on Dec 19, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
Post by: Xenoscream on Dec 19, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
Has there ever been any general consensus on this?
Frankly for me there just isn't a "likely" scenario, just a range of unlikely to outrageous.
Frankly for me there just isn't a "likely" scenario, just a range of unlikely to outrageous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2013, 03:47:56 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 19, 2013, 03:47:56 PM
The only way I can see is if the Queen brought an Egg aboard (gripped in her small arms) and stuffed it in the dropship underbelly somewhere.
That still doesn't cover the fact that a) the Queen visibly isn't holding anything when she exits the lift on LV-426, and b) as I said before, no way would anyone have gone to sleep on the Sulaco without at least checking over the dropship. But it's the only way that really makes an iota sense.
That still doesn't cover the fact that a) the Queen visibly isn't holding anything when she exits the lift on LV-426, and b) as I said before, no way would anyone have gone to sleep on the Sulaco without at least checking over the dropship. But it's the only way that really makes an iota sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2013, 10:52:37 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2013, 10:52:37 PM
Stuck the egg between the spines on her back for protection (from the nasty lady with the gun, and the camera).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Dec 20, 2013, 12:25:39 AM
Post by: Elmazalman on Dec 20, 2013, 12:25:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2013, 10:52:37 PMI remember reading about something like that,the Alien warrior's carrying their victim's on their backs to the nest in that old West End Games book from the early nineties.
Stuck the egg between the spines on her back for protection (from the nasty lady with the gun, and the camera).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 20, 2013, 01:04:28 AM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Dec 20, 2013, 01:04:28 AM
Hey I always imagined that too! Hang their arms on the tubes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
The explanation Gibson gave in his unused script was a reasonable one (more so his second version, which doesn't add in extra warriors that appear out of nowhere). The egg grows from genetic material deposited inside Bishop when he's ripped in half. It's a stretch, but arguably more believable than what we see in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RoaryUK on Dec 20, 2013, 09:10:18 AM
Post by: RoaryUK on Dec 20, 2013, 09:10:18 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
The explanation Gibson gave in his unused script was a reasonable one (more so his second version, which doesn't add in extra warriors that appear out of nowhere). The egg grows from genetic material deposited inside Bishop when he's ripped in half. It's a stretch, but arguably more believable than what we see in the film.
An interesting idea it was too, I wrote a story loosely based on it once only it didn't involve Bishop, but was rather more a part of the aliens own make up. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Dec 20, 2013, 01:01:16 PM
Post by: irn on Dec 20, 2013, 01:01:16 PM
It might have been suggested before in this thread but the egg could have been planted by WY or another organisation. I can't recall how many years are meant to have passed between Aliens and Alien 3 but perhaps after the clean up of what's left of Hadley's Hope, the egg was placed onto the Sulaco during automated refuelling or something, in order to get it to Gateway/Earth.
I dunno. It's yet another long shot.
I dunno. It's yet another long shot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2013, 01:09:22 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2013, 01:09:22 PM
The trouble with that is, if they're already moving eggs around, why bother to chase after the Sulaco and stick it on there? Just take it back to wherever yourself. Putting it on the Sulaco makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Dec 20, 2013, 01:21:29 PM
Post by: irn on Dec 20, 2013, 01:21:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 20, 2013, 01:09:22 PM
The trouble with that is, if they're already moving eggs around, why bother to chase after the Sulaco and stick it on there? Just take it back to wherever yourself. Putting it on the Sulaco makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah I agree but it could be developed further with a more corporate conspiracy backstory. Such as the whole utilising the alien for a bioweapon thing could be the intentions of a small group within Weyland-Yutani, rather than a major part. This creates a more sneaky and underhanded approach to dealing with it. So, for example, putting the egg on the Sulaco could be a way to get it to a certain location undetected.
It's not ideal but with work I think it could be feasable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheBATMAN on Dec 20, 2013, 01:30:20 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Dec 20, 2013, 01:30:20 PM
That's non-sensical though when you think about it because Alien 3 is all about Weyland-Yutani trying to retrieve a live alien specimen and Ripley's ultimate sacrifice to prevent then from doing so. This wouldn't really make much sense whatsoever if the company already had access to live alien eggs to do with as they wished.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Dec 20, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
Post by: irn on Dec 20, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Dec 20, 2013, 01:30:20 PM
That's non-sensical though when you think about it because Alien 3 is all about Weyland-Yutani trying to retrieve a live alien specimen and Ripley's ultimate sacrifice to prevent then from doing so. This wouldn't really make much sense whatsoever if the company already had access to live alien eggs to do with as they wished.
Maybe they didn't count on a fire breaking out and the cryotubes on board being ejected. And they used the one and only remaining live egg. I dunno. Hah I sound like I'm trying to defend this idea. Like I said, it was just a brainfart. The egg on Sulaco problem is a tough one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Dec 20, 2013, 08:30:30 PM
Post by: Elmazalman on Dec 20, 2013, 08:30:30 PM
The egg on board could have been placed there by either the Queen,a warrior or a synthetic (Bishop).No way a human could have come close enough to a egg without it deploying a face hugger.The Queen seems the most plausible suspect.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RoaryUK on Dec 20, 2013, 09:02:43 PM
Post by: RoaryUK on Dec 20, 2013, 09:02:43 PM
I always thought there was only a couple of weeks between Aliens & Alien3 myself, problem is we have no idea what happened to the Sulaco after Aliens. We do know it would normally take the ship a few weeks (say 3 for sake of argument) to get back to Gateway, plus some believe (as I do), Fury 161 is situated somewhere between Earth and LV-426 anyway, just not in a direct line. This kind of explains how the rescue team were able to get there within a week, so why would the Sulaco trip now take 2 years, and what was the alien doing during this time? Did the Company really divert the ship from the start.... not for me, there was no need. The debate goes on I guess.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Dec 21, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Dec 21, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
The Patna was launched when Burke had Bishop send a communication from the uplink tower during Aliens.
It intercepted the Sulaco after the EEV jettisoned, finding only the empty egg.
It intercepted the Sulaco after the EEV jettisoned, finding only the empty egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RoaryUK on Dec 21, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
Post by: RoaryUK on Dec 21, 2013, 10:30:45 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Dec 21, 2013, 08:17:34 AM
The Patna was launched when Burke had Bishop send a communication from the uplink tower during Aliens.
It intercepted the Sulaco after the EEV jettisoned, finding only the empty egg.
Burke had Bishop send a communication to the Sulaco to launch the second drop ship after they lost the first, it had nothing to do with the Patna, where do you get that from, source please? Far as I know the Patna was launched when Superintendent Andrews requests a rescue team after an EEV is found with Ellen Ripley as the lone survivor. Show me something different and I might believe it! ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 11, 2014, 01:34:40 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 11, 2014, 01:34:40 AM
So how did the hugger invert the egg above the floor?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 01:37:14 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 01:37:14 AM
Using the same secretions that glue people to the hive walls.
Or...
Or...
Spoiler
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 11, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 11, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
How is the Queen supposed to lay an egg aboard the Sulaco when she left her ruined egg sac inside the atmosphere processor?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 10:42:22 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 11, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
How is the Queen supposed to lay an egg aboard the Sulaco when she left her ruined egg sac inside the atmosphere processor?
Some people are under the impression that an emergency egg is not beyond the Queen.
If you don't agree with that, then the Queen could have stored an egg on her back along with the Royal facehugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AMFor me personally this is how it went down.
So two facehuggers, one egg and the royal facehugger doesn't implant hosts with queens?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 05:49:10 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AMFor me personally this is how it went down.
So two facehuggers, one egg and the royal facehugger doesn't implant hosts with queens?
Exactly. The Royal Facehugger probably could implant hosts with a Queen if it was the only surviving facehugger with no eggs left.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 06:00:00 PM
Legit theory. Better than most. I like mine better, but that's to be expected. Nice work.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 11, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 11, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
Is it wrong that I find the argument that "the queen can't lay eggs because it lost it's egg sac" strange? Maybe that's the case with actual termite queens, I'm not sure. But I always thought the queen would be able to lay eggs anyway, but the sac that is grown helps it manage the vast amount of eggs and keeps them from straight plopping to the ground. At the end of Aliens, the emergency egg could have been laid and the queen just reached around and took it and placed it somewhere.
I like your explanation for the inconsistent facehuggers, Alien³, but I can't imagine the face hugger manipulating a large alien egg. Maybe the emergency egg is smaller than a regular egg? Because it isn't made to last as long? Which is why the egg in Alien 3 opened without any provocation, in the active search for a host? I dunno.
I like your explanation for the inconsistent facehuggers, Alien³, but I can't imagine the face hugger manipulating a large alien egg. Maybe the emergency egg is smaller than a regular egg? Because it isn't made to last as long? Which is why the egg in Alien 3 opened without any provocation, in the active search for a host? I dunno.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 11, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 11, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
I can't see a hugger carrying an egg on its back, unless it does so like a hermit crab, from inside dragging it with its legs. Rolling it is more likely. Or dragging with the tail.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 06:50:43 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 06:50:43 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 11, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
I can't see a hugger carrying an egg on its back, unless it does so like a hermit crab, from inside dragging it with its legs. Rolling it is more likely. Or dragging with the tail.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 11, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Jan 11, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 06:50:43 PMQuote from: Kelgaard on Jan 11, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
I can't see a hugger carrying an egg on its back, unless it does so like a hermit crab, from inside dragging it with its legs. Rolling it is more likely. Or dragging with the tail.
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
He posted a disclaimer underneath, "egg size debatable."
Here's a more accurate size comparison.
Hence my point on an emergency egg being smaller than a regular one, and not lasting as long.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 07:02:41 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2014, 07:02:41 PM
The egg that we see isn't really shown next to anything that we can use to measure it anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 05:34:27 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 05:34:27 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626192517/avp/images/a/a7/Royal_Facehugger.png
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture521.jpg
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture478.jpg
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.
Dude this is a theory I've been posting for years.
The problem with the egg is not that there is one, it's the location.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 05:48:09 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 05:48:09 AM
QuoteI am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
Why?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 06:11:43 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 06:11:43 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 05:48:09 AMQuoteI am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
Why?
Isn't it obvious?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
To ensure the survival of the species.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39:57 AM
Post by: judge death on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39:57 AM
I watched Aliens but didnt hear any facehugger sound after the credits :/
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Pump up the volume.
Why wouldn't the hugger just, well, do what nature intended and hug someone?
QuoteTo ensure the survival of the species.
Why wouldn't the hugger just, well, do what nature intended and hug someone?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:44:41 AMQuoteTo ensure the survival of the species.
Why wouldn't the hugger just, well, do what nature intended and hug someone?
It did, after doing some sneaky work.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
What was the point though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 11:46:22 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 11:46:22 AM
To not be out in the open and exposed while it tries to rebuild the decimated species.
It didn't know how many people/threats were on the Sulaco.
It didn't know how many people/threats were on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 12:06:59 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 12:06:59 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
What was the point though?
To allow the face hugger in the egg time to develop. And also for the same reasons a lioness keeps moving her newborn cubs to different dens. Don't be where your enemy expect you to be seems to sum up the alien pretty well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 19, 2014, 03:37:07 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 19, 2014, 03:37:07 PM
That's a great theory, Alien3.
I'll point out the obvious and say that it has to be the royal facehugger that gets Ripley, but the way I imagine it, both of them approached the cryo tubes. The royal hugger went for Ripley, and the regular one for Newt. Somehow the royal hugger successfully got to Ripley, but the regular one cut itself on Newt's tube, starting the fire and ejecting everyone down to Fury.
After this, all it had to do was survive long enough to meet Spike.
This is one of the best explanations I've read yet. I really rike it. Nerd level 9 to you sir.
I'll point out the obvious and say that it has to be the royal facehugger that gets Ripley, but the way I imagine it, both of them approached the cryo tubes. The royal hugger went for Ripley, and the regular one for Newt. Somehow the royal hugger successfully got to Ripley, but the regular one cut itself on Newt's tube, starting the fire and ejecting everyone down to Fury.
After this, all it had to do was survive long enough to meet Spike.
This is one of the best explanations I've read yet. I really rike it. Nerd level 9 to you sir.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 04:09:04 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 19, 2014, 03:37:07 PMI'll point out the obvious and say that it has to be the royal facehugger that gets Ripley, but the way I imagine it, both of them approached the cryo tubes. The royal hugger went for Ripley, and the regular one for Newt. Somehow the royal hugger successfully got to Ripley, but the regular one cut itself on Newt's tube, starting the fire and ejecting everyone down to Fury.
A wise man once told me that it could have only been Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 19, 2014, 03:37:07 PM
That's a great theory, Alien3.
Cheers but its not my theory, I've just expanded it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 09:14:01 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 09:14:01 PM
Like I said I've been floating this theory for years. As I said before, the biggest problem with the opening of alien 3 is the location of the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:30:38 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:30:38 PM
QuoteTo allow the face hugger in the egg time to develop.
Since when do they need time to develop?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 10:35:02 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 10:35:02 PM
Why wouldn't they? Same reason chickens don't hatch the second an egg is laid.
But if you don't like that idea then there's always the other thing.
But if you don't like that idea then there's always the other thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39:53 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39:53 PM
QuoteWhy wouldn't they?
'Cos they're not chickens.
This whole carrying the egg around on a super-huggers back is terribly silly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39:53 PMQuoteWhy wouldn't they?
'Cos they're not chickens.
Of course not. But I'm just applying some logic. In order for something to hatch out of an egg, it has to develop first does it not? There's nothing in the films that indicates that the second an egg is laid the facehugger can hatch straight away.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39:53 PMThis whole carrying the egg around on a super-huggers back is terribly silly.
So you say. I however don't think it's silly at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
Quote from: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 09:14:01 PM
Like I said I've been floating this theory for years. As I said before, the biggest problem with the opening of alien 3 is the location of the egg.
The royal hugger glued it to the wall with its spit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:12 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2014, 10:55:41 PMQuote from: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 09:14:01 PM
Like I said I've been floating this theory for years. As I said before, the biggest problem with the opening of alien 3 is the location of the egg.
The royal hugger glued it to the wall with its spit.
No what I meant was that it wasn't in the dropship. Therefore if the queen did in fact lay the egg on the dropship, how the hell did it get to the location that we see it in.
Therefore, my theory, the one you're pretty much talking about, answers that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PM
QuoteSo you say. I however don't think it's silly at all.
But I do and that's more important.
That aside it'd be handy if this theory had anything at all to back it up and wasn't based on stuff that was completely unprecedented.
Case in point...
QuoteThe royal hugger glued it to the wall with its spit.
QuoteIn order for something to hatch out of an egg, it has to develop first does it not? There's nothing in the films that indicates that the second an egg is laid the facehugger can hatch straight away.
But why would it still need to develop when it's been gestating in the Queen's egg sac? Bit stupid for it leave the egg sac undeveloped.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PMQuoteSo you say. I however don't think it's silly at all.
But I do and that's more important.
Lol of course it is.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PMThat aside it'd be handy if this theory had anything at all to back it up and wasn't based on stuff that was completely unprecedented.
You're quite right to some point. Mine is just a theory. I fully admit that. But.... let's see what does back it up if at least not hard evidence:
1. There were two aliens in Alien 3. The alien that was gestating inside Ripley and the alien that was running around killing people. Up until that point our entire experience from the first two films was that an alien comes from a facehugger ergo, there must have been two facehuggers.
2. While not shown in the theatrical edition, there was a Royal Facehugger in the Assembly cut. So if you argue that my point number 1 is invalid and state that a royal facehugger could implant two embryos instead of just one then I refer you to point number 3.
3. The egg was not in the dropship therefore it had have moved to the location we see it in somehow.
4. If you wish to argue that there is no such thing as a royal facehugger or wish to argue that we don't know exactly what a royal facehugger can do since nothing was really shown, then my theory still can support the fact that they're normal face huggers.
The whole point of this theory is to answer the problem of the location of the egg and the fact that there were two aliens. Other theories usually don't answer the problem of the location of the egg and try just to answer the problem of there being two aliens.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PMCase in point...QuoteThe royal hugger glued it to the wall with its spit.
I'll let alien3 answer this as this is not part of my theory. But if I was to hazard a guess, we've seen alien warriors secret a resin that enables them to attach hosts to walls etc. So there is precedence to a certain degree.
But yes you're right, there's nothing in the films that shows a Facehugger (or royal facehugger) can do such a thing. Again it's just a theory that does have some backing from the films to a certain degree. I certainly wouldn't call it hard evidence, more like circumstancial evidence.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PM[/quote]QuoteIn order for something to hatch out of an egg, it has to develop first does it not? There's nothing in the films that indicates that the second an egg is laid the facehugger can hatch straight away.
But why would it still need to develop when it's been gestating in the Queen's egg sac? Bit stupid for it leave the egg sac undeveloped.
What eggsac? The eggsac was still on LV426 when the Atmosphere processor blew.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
That assumes - again - that the Queen laid it en route to the Sulaco and simply didn't bring it with her.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:41:10 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PMQuoteSo you say. I however don't think it's silly at all.
But I do and that's more important.
:D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:43:29 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 11:20:45 PM
That assumes - again - that the Queen laid it en route to the Sulaco and simply didn't bring it with her.
Quite right. Except that we don't see her carrying the egg. Sure the egg could be on her back like I'm suggesting the facehugger is but I find it far more believable that a facehugger is hitching a ride rather then an egg.
BUT if you want to go with that as a theory, you still have to explain how it ends up where we see it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:48:24 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:48:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpjP256PVRM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpjP256PVRM#)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:49:53 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:49:53 PM
so what exactly is absurd?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:52:35 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:52:35 PM
I don't really think it's all that absurd, although I can see why SM does. For all we know, the eggs can use the tendrils that grow out of their base to reposition themselves. No facehugger needed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:52:35 PM
I don't really think it's all that absurd, although I can see why SM does. For all we know, the eggs can use the tendrils that grow out of their base to reposition themselves. No facehugger needed.
There is that theory as well, though with this theory you have to also assume that the facehugger that hatches is able to implant two embryos - one for Ripley and one for the dog/ox.
That's fine for a theory and if that's what you want to go with that's cool.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of an egg being able to move a great deal so I'm not a fan of that particular theory, but I certainly don't discount it as a possible theory.
My theory can incorporate a royal facehugger or simply just two normal facehuggers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:02:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:02:43 AM
I still think it's best to look to the Gibson script for clues about how the egg's presence was conceptualized, even though the execution was botched.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 12:03:51 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 12:03:51 AM
I haven't read it. Care to enlighten me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AM
The egg grew out of Bishop's torso inside his cryotube. Ostensibly, this was due to being contaminated with genetic material when the queen impaled him. Later on, the Anchorpoint scientists were able to culture scrapings of the same material from his lower half and clone alien eggs from that.
My personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
My personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Feb 20, 2014, 12:16:35 AM
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Feb 20, 2014, 12:16:35 AM
Quote from: stephen on Feb 19, 2014, 11:57:51 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2014, 11:52:35 PM
I don't really think it's all that absurd, although I can see why SM does. For all we know, the eggs can use the tendrils that grow out of their base to reposition themselves. No facehugger needed.
There is that theory as well, though with this theory you have to also assume that the facehugger that hatches is able to implant two embryos - one for Ripley and one for the dog/ox.
That's fine for a theory and if that's what you want to go with that's cool.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of an egg being able to move a great deal so I'm not a fan of that particular theory, but I certainly don't discount it as a possible theory.
My theory can incorporate a royal facehugger or simply just two normal facehuggers.
One way to solve the two facehugger problem is that if you listen closely after the credits of Aliens, you can hear a facehugger crawling around.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
How does that solve the problem?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Feb 20, 2014, 12:23:37 AM
Post by: Sgt. Apone on Feb 20, 2014, 12:23:37 AM
I don't know. It makes more sense than everything else. One facehugger could have stowed away on the dropship. How the egg got there is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 12:31:52 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 12:31:52 AM
A facehugger stowing away simply would've attacked someone. Hicks would be the most likely candidate. If it stowed away with the Queen - then it could've easily nailed Ripley or Newt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 12:56:08 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 12:56:08 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AM
The egg grew out of Bishop's torso inside his cryotube. Ostensibly, this was due to being contaminated with genetic material when the queen impaled him. Later on, the Anchorpoint scientists were able to culture scrapings of the same material from his lower half and clone alien eggs from that.
My personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
Holy sheep shit that's crazy, but not near as crazy as the Alien3 intro. I really like that theory, which would end up with a single hugger with a queen + drone embryo. I need to re-read Gibson's script.
Would've been some nifty links into Poometheus, as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 01:27:29 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 01:27:29 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AM
The egg grew out of Bishop's torso inside his cryotube. Ostensibly, this was due to being contaminated with genetic material when the queen impaled him. Later on, the Anchorpoint scientists were able to culture scrapings of the same material from his lower half and clone alien eggs from that.
Interesting. And at least an explanation. Unfortunately that's not what happened.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AMMy personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
I've seen this theory on this board before (probably one of your posts) and didn't realize that it was based off one of the alien 3 scripts.
Again, if that's the theory you want to go with that's cool. My issues:
1. Time - how long does it take this genetic material to form the egg? Not really a big deal though because there's no real basis for how long it takes for the egg to be formed correctly anyway.
2. my personal feeling is that I don't think I like the idea of the egg simply growing out of a congealed genetic mess. Why then a queen, why then egg morphing? it feels like to me like a whole other breeding cycle.
Having said that, I can't discount the theory as a legitimate theory. There's no real holes in it apart from the fact that nothing in the films supports the genetic mess into egg thing. I know my own theory takes some liberties as well but I still feel that it takes less liberties then this idea. I know it's based off one of the scripts but to me that's still not a part of the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 01:30:33 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 01:30:33 AM
Quote1. Time - how long does it take this genetic material to form the egg? Not really a big deal though because there's no real basis for how long it takes for the egg to be formed correctly anyway.
As reference Brett was nearly fully egged in maybe a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 01:41:24 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 01:41:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 01:30:33 AMQuote1. Time - how long does it take this genetic material to form the egg? Not really a big deal though because there's no real basis for how long it takes for the egg to be formed correctly anyway.
As reference Brett was nearly fully egged in maybe a couple of hours.
First, how do we know how long the egg had to go to be "fully egged."
Second, the egg itself maybe formed but what about the facehugger inside it?
It could take another hour, or it could take another week. As we don't know anything about the process of how it happens then there's not really much to go on.
But having said that, I'm not really concerned about the time frame. I'm happy enough to accept Brett's egg morphing thing as a form of precedence for that particular theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 01:51:41 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 01:51:41 AM
QuoteFirst, how do we know how long the egg had to go to be "fully egged."
Estimate based on careful study of the source material.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 02:03:00 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 02:03:00 AM
The alien has such strong instincts, you think it could know generally how long it had before the egg was ready. If it grabbed a host too early, they would be dead before it could hatch.
Maybe this is over thinking it or giving the Alien too much credit, but they seem very smart when it comes to their own freaky jive ass reproduction.
Maybe this is over thinking it or giving the Alien too much credit, but they seem very smart when it comes to their own freaky jive ass reproduction.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 02:30:17 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 02:30:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 01:51:41 AMQuoteFirst, how do we know how long the egg had to go to be "fully egged."
Estimate based on careful study of the source material.
So what you're saying is that you're making some assumptions?
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 02:03:00 AM
The alien has such strong instincts, you think it could know generally how long it had before the egg was ready. If it grabbed a host too early, they would be dead before it could hatch.
Maybe this is over thinking it or giving the Alien too much credit, but they seem very smart when it comes to their own freaky jive ass reproduction.
Sounds logical
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 02:38:37 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 02:38:37 AM
Quote from: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 01:27:29 AMHaving said that, I can't discount the theory as a legitimate theory. There's no real holes in it apart from the fact that nothing in the films supports the genetic mess into egg thing. I know my own theory takes some liberties as well but I still feel that it takes less liberties then this idea. I know it's based off one of the scripts but to me that's still not a part of the film.
Alien 3's development hell is the reason I value the earlier scripts so much. What Giler and Hill eventually "wrote" seemed to be little more than a mishmash of concepts lifted from those earlier scripts. The sudden appearance of an egg seemingly out of nowhere smacks of the Gibson script to me.
It's the same reason I think the Sulaco was intentionally rerouted to Fury 161 by the company.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 02:53:27 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 02:53:27 AM
QuoteSo what you're saying is that you're making some assumptions?
If you want to describe it in such dismissive terms...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 03:14:41 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 03:14:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 02:53:27 AMQuoteSo what you're saying is that you're making some assumptions?
If you want to describe it in such dismissive terms...
All I'm saying is that there's not enough evidence to know for sure so all any of us can do is make assumptions. You seem to pass it off as fact which I disagree with.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 03:19:13 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 03:19:13 AM
It's more than assumption and less than fact.
It's extrapolation.
If people want to simply dismiss it out of hand with a blanket 'Yeah, but you still don't know', then there's little I can do.
It's extrapolation.
If people want to simply dismiss it out of hand with a blanket 'Yeah, but you still don't know', then there's little I can do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 20, 2014, 03:27:56 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 20, 2014, 03:27:56 AM
I fully endorse my theory.
I see it as fact.
I see it as fact.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 03:29:08 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 03:29:08 AM
Right - which doesn't really change the situation. I just don't think there's enough information to be able to...extrapolate with any degree of certainty.
I don't dismiss it out of hand at all. I even asked you to explain your reasoning.
It's just that I take the stance that it is actually an unknown where you seem to be pretty much settled on the subject.
I don't dismiss it out of hand at all. I even asked you to explain your reasoning.
It's just that I take the stance that it is actually an unknown where you seem to be pretty much settled on the subject.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 03:35:45 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 03:35:45 AM
It's been 22 years.
I can imagine many fans are more than settled on the subject.
I can imagine many fans are more than settled on the subject.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 03:38:37 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 03:38:37 AM
As far as I see it - as I've said on this thread as nauseum probably.
1. Egg is on the dropship.
2. The opening titles is a fragmented semi conscious version of actual events from Ripley's dreaming POV.
These two options require that least amount of making shit up.
1. Egg is on the dropship.
2. The opening titles is a fragmented semi conscious version of actual events from Ripley's dreaming POV.
These two options require that least amount of making shit up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 04:03:24 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 04:03:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 03:38:37 AM
As far as I see it - as I've said on this thread as nauseum probably.
1. Egg is on the dropship.
2. The opening titles is a fragmented semi conscious version of actual events from Ripley's dreaming POV.
These two options require that least amount of making shit up.
you've indicated two options:
1. egg is on dropship (which it isn't) and you would then have to "make up" the fact that one egg = two aliens. You've just made something up? You've just added to the alien life cycle.
2. Which then doesn't explain anything. If this is the case then all of the imagery and audio we hear during the opening credits can be completely disregarded and you can then choose to believe whatever you want to believe - one egg; two eggs; one egg and two facehuggers - whatever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 04:25:12 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 04:25:12 AM
1. There is a reason I said "least amount of making shit up", rather than "not making shit up".
2. No, not completely disregarded. The basic facts of there's an Alien on board that accompanied them to Fiorina are confirmed by Bishop.
2. No, not completely disregarded. The basic facts of there's an Alien on board that accompanied them to Fiorina are confirmed by Bishop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 04:41:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 04:41:33 AM
To me, only the different cryotubes are unexplainable without exceeding the bullshit barrier like Chuck Yeager with the X-1 of shovels. To Fincher, I say: that shit ain't right.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 04:51:09 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 04:51:09 AM
I favor the "Alien 3 was a dream" approach they were toying with before production of Res. It would've been a giant slap in the face to the A3 crew, but not half as bad as bloody Resurrection ended up being. You also could've maybe stayed in the same universe and left something open for the future instead of killing the entire franchise for 200 years past and future, canon-wise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 04:53:17 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 04:53:17 AM
I don't think they ever toyed with the idea of Alien3 being a dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:08:20 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:08:20 AM
This was the only thing I could find at the moment:
From this article: http://notanothersequel.blogspot.com/2012/03/most-hated-sequels-1.html (http://notanothersequel.blogspot.com/2012/03/most-hated-sequels-1.html)
But I remember reading from several different sources that A4's writers toyed with the idea of making Alien3 Ripleys bad dream in hyperspace because the studios wanted Ripley to return and they were having such a difficult time figuring out how to do this.
If you google, there are actually an insane amount of crazy observations made by fans about all of the dreamlike shit and symbolism in Alien 3, from Newt 'drowning' to the Nostromo flight recorder on the EEV at the end, which wouldve most likely been impossible, and many other things.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. Interesting theory, never the less.
QuoteFact: The original concept for Alien 4 was to claim that Alien 3 had been Ripley's bad dream during hyper sleep in an attempt to appease the fans.
From this article: http://notanothersequel.blogspot.com/2012/03/most-hated-sequels-1.html (http://notanothersequel.blogspot.com/2012/03/most-hated-sequels-1.html)
But I remember reading from several different sources that A4's writers toyed with the idea of making Alien3 Ripleys bad dream in hyperspace because the studios wanted Ripley to return and they were having such a difficult time figuring out how to do this.
If you google, there are actually an insane amount of crazy observations made by fans about all of the dreamlike shit and symbolism in Alien 3, from Newt 'drowning' to the Nostromo flight recorder on the EEV at the end, which wouldve most likely been impossible, and many other things.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. Interesting theory, never the less.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 05:13:48 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 05:13:48 AM
Resurrection only ever had one writer, and I've never heard anyone involved with the film ever mention anything about Alien3 being a dream.
Sounds like wishful fan wank.
Sounds like wishful fan wank.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:22:39 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:22:39 AM
There's plenty of that, for sure. I'll do some more digging and see if I can find anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 05:26:19 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 05:26:19 AM
Whedon is one of Resurrections biggest detractors. If that dream idea was seriously floating around at any point I'm sure he would've aired it to make Fox look dumb.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 05:37:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 05:37:45 AM
Is there an SM-fanfic version of Alien 3 floating around on the interwebz somewhere?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 05:40:51 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 05:40:51 AM
Not on the interwebz, no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:41:07 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:41:07 AM
I think I remember it mentioned in the timeframe before Weaver signed on.
And I haven't found anything about it yet, but what the f**k is this IMDB trivia??
Paul Anderson was also approached to direct, but was unable to. Maybe that would've really torpedoed this mother early :laugh:
And I haven't found anything about it yet, but what the f**k is this IMDB trivia??
QuoteOriginally, the fourth alien movie was to be a rendition of the popular comic Aliens Vs. Predator, which combined the Alien creatures with Predator (1987) since 1991.
Paul Anderson was also approached to direct, but was unable to. Maybe that would've really torpedoed this mother early :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 05:45:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 05:45:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 05:40:51 AM
Not on the interwebz, no.
:'(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 06:07:02 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 06:07:02 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:41:07 AM
I think I remember it mentioned in the timeframe before Weaver signed on.
And I haven't found anything about it yet, but what the f**k is this IMDB trivia??QuoteOriginally, the fourth alien movie was to be a rendition of the popular comic Aliens Vs. Predator, which combined the Alien creatures with Predator (1987) since 1991.
Paul Anderson was also approached to direct, but was unable to. Maybe that would've really torpedoed this mother early :laugh:
They're talking about Peter Briggs adaptation of the original AvP comic. If Anderson was approached it wouldn't have been until the mid-1990s.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 06:36:58 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 06:36:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 06:07:02 AM
They're talking about Peter Briggs adaptation of the original AvP comic. If Anderson was approached it wouldn't have been until the mid-1990s.
He was unable to due to filming Event Horizon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2014, 08:32:45 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2014, 08:32:45 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 20, 2014, 05:41:07 AMAnd I haven't found anything about it yet, but what the f**k is this IMDB trivia??As others have said, that's probably referring to the original AVP script by Peter Briggs, which was written in the early 90s. His script is much more closely linked to the Alien films than what we ultimately got (being set in the future for one) which is probably why someone suggested it was going to be Alien 4.QuoteOriginally, the fourth alien movie was to be a rendition of the popular comic Aliens Vs. Predator, which combined the Alien creatures with Predator (1987) since 1991.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:04:56 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:04:56 PM
I honestly believe that there's no reason to believe that the egg was on the Sulaco.
Even the opening in the A3 Blu-Ray supports the idea that the Queen simply wasn't the only one that stowed away on the Dropship.
Even the opening in the A3 Blu-Ray supports the idea that the Queen simply wasn't the only one that stowed away on the Dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2014, 04:09:54 PM
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:04:56 PMI honestly believe that there's no reason to believe that the egg was on the Sulaco.Except it says 'SULACO' quite clearly on the bulkhead the Egg is attached to...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:16:51 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2014, 04:09:54 PMQuote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:04:56 PMI honestly believe that there's no reason to believe that the egg was on the Sulaco.Except it says 'SULACO' quite clearly on the bulkhead the Egg is attached to...
It could just as easily mean 'Sulaco' Dropship to me anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PM
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
I love Alien 3 but it made her look like its her fault for absolute, complete idiocy. A3 showed that Sulacos computer could detect another life form on board. How or why on Earth she or even Bishop would NOT check the dropship if anything else hid in there, nevermind the whole ship before calling it a day
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 20, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
Post by: judge death on Feb 20, 2014, 06:16:00 PM
Well Ripley isnt a marine so the question is if she knew how all systems and stuff worked on Sulaco and Hicks seems unable to help much since he is seen knocked out ever since they left the planet. Bishop might could had instructed her but depends if he worked like he should or maybe Ripley took him to the cryotubes after the battle?
But yes as you say: The ship systems even noticed movements of alien creatures onboard and Bishop should had noticed it, I´m thinking if the ship should had started an alarm and awakened the crew or if it just register movement and dont do anything?
But yes as you say: The ship systems even noticed movements of alien creatures onboard and Bishop should had noticed it, I´m thinking if the ship should had started an alarm and awakened the crew or if it just register movement and dont do anything?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PMQuote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
I love Alien 3 but it made her look like its her fault for absolute, complete idiocy. A3 showed that Sulacos computer could detect another life form on board. How or why on Earth she or even Bishop would NOT check the dropship if anything else hid in there, nevermind the whole ship before calling it a day
So do I.
But every film has flaws to varying degrees.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:18:22 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PMQuote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
I love Alien 3 but it made her look like its her fault for absolute, complete idiocy. A3 showed that Sulacos computer could detect another life form on board. How or why on Earth she or even Bishop would NOT check the dropship if anything else hid in there, nevermind the whole ship before calling it a day
So do I.
But every film has flaws to varying degrees.
That's right, and while Alien 3 may have more logic holes than the first two, I personally was never bothered by egg on Sulaco or just about anything, the feel, great music, vibe and the story/drama of the film took me in without thinking about those things
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 06:24:34 PMQuote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:18:22 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PMQuote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
I love Alien 3 but it made her look like its her fault for absolute, complete idiocy. A3 showed that Sulacos computer could detect another life form on board. How or why on Earth she or even Bishop would NOT check the dropship if anything else hid in there, nevermind the whole ship before calling it a day
So do I.
But every film has flaws to varying degrees.
That's right, and while Alien 3 may have more logic holes than the first two, I personally was never bothered by egg on Sulaco or just about anything, the feel, great music, vibe and the story/drama of the film took me in without thinking about those things
I feel the same, the bad special effects are all that takes me out of it now-a-days.
Other than that in feel the film is purely masterful, I don't understand why Resurrection was needed.
It wasn't a movie to think about or interpret but it was purely emotional.
The opposite of Prometheus in many ways and guess what? I love both.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 20, 2014, 06:35:59 PM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 20, 2014, 06:35:59 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PMThe Sulaco and everything within is a lot of area for one adult and child to cover,Bishop,torn in half and Hicks out of action would be of little help.Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
I love Alien 3 but it made her look like its her fault for absolute, complete idiocy. A3 showed that Sulacos computer could detect another life form on board. How or why on Earth she or even Bishop would NOT check the dropship if anything else hid in there, nevermind the whole ship before calling it a day
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
I feel the same, the bad special effects are all that takes me out of it now-a-days.
Other than that in feel the film is purely masterful, I don't understand why Resurrection was needed.
It wasn't a movie to think about or interpret but it was purely emotional.
The opposite of Prometheus in many ways and guess what? I love both.
Oh, don't get me started on Resurrection, I hate, absolutely hate that movie with passion more than any other, I don't know if its because its so idiotic or because I for me its a murderer of a perfect masterful trilogy (imo)
Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 20, 2014, 06:35:59 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PMThe Sulaco and everything within is a lot of area for one adult and child to cover,Bishop,torn in half and Hicks out of action would be of little help.Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
I love Alien 3 but it made her look like its her fault for absolute, complete idiocy. A3 showed that Sulacos computer could detect another life form on board. How or why on Earth she or even Bishop would NOT check the dropship if anything else hid in there, nevermind the whole ship before calling it a day
Nobody said they would have to go around with flashlights. As A3 showed, a simple Sulaco computer scan of the ship would detect an alien lifeform onboard
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 07:40:05 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 07:40:05 PM
What was your opinion on Prometheus?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 07:40:05 PM
What was your opinion on Prometheus?
I recognize its very lacking but I like it. Maybe Im not thrilled about what Jockeys turned out to be, but I like it. It has this 50s scifi look with suit designs etc, and a classic horror cliffhanger at the very end
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 20, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 20, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 07:34:21 PMYet they still went into hyper sleep.Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
I feel the same, the bad special effects are all that takes me out of it now-a-days.
Other than that in feel the film is purely masterful, I don't understand why Resurrection was needed.
It wasn't a movie to think about or interpret but it was purely emotional.
The opposite of Prometheus in many ways and guess what? I love both.
Oh, don't get me started on Resurrection, I hate, absolutely hate that movie with passion more than any other, I don't know if its because its so idiotic or because I for me its a murderer of a perfect masterful trilogy (imo)Quote from: Elmazalman on Feb 20, 2014, 06:35:59 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:59:28 PMThe Sulaco and everything within is a lot of area for one adult and child to cover,Bishop,torn in half and Hicks out of action would be of little help.Quote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 05:56:47 PMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
Thing is, there would be no way Ripley would be so dumb not to search or more so scan the dropship or the entire ship for life forms for more stow aways after finding out the Queen hitched a ride. Dropship would be scanned inch by inch first and foremost before anything else
Considering the entirety of A3, looked like she fvcked up.
I love Alien 3 but it made her look like its her fault for absolute, complete idiocy. A3 showed that Sulacos computer could detect another life form on board. How or why on Earth she or even Bishop would NOT check the dropship if anything else hid in there, nevermind the whole ship before calling it a day
Nobody said they would have to go around with flashlights. As A3 showed, a simple Sulaco computer scan of the ship would detect an alien lifeform onboard
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 09:21:52 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 09:21:52 PM
Which makes them look completely stupid. "Hey, a giant Queen just hid in our dropship, surely we have to activate the scan of the ship to see if and what else came here with us! Plus its the queen, she might've laid an egg or maybe more aliens are inside...nah, lets just go to sleep"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 10:25:41 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2014, 04:09:54 PMQuote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:04:56 PMI honestly believe that there's no reason to believe that the egg was on the Sulaco.Except it says 'SULACO' quite clearly on the bulkhead the Egg is attached to...
The APC had Sulaco painted on it as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 10:40:03 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 10:25:41 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2014, 04:09:54 PMQuote from: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 20, 2014, 04:04:56 PMI honestly believe that there's no reason to believe that the egg was on the Sulaco.Except it says 'SULACO' quite clearly on the bulkhead the Egg is attached to...
The APC had Sulaco painted on it as well.
painted but wasn't the Sulaco in the shot with the egg not just painted but raised metal letterings?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 10:40:36 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 20, 2014, 10:40:36 PM
It's some kind of precedent.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 10:41:41 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 20, 2014, 10:41:41 PM
Of course.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 01:44:17 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 01:44:17 AM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 02:08:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 02:08:26 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
Nobody said they would have to go around with flashlights. As A3 showed, a simple Sulaco computer scan of the ship would detect an alien lifeform onboard
What makes you so sure a "simple computer scan" would find it? Ripley asked Bishop if the computer saw anything moving prior to separation. An egg isn't going to set off a motion tracker or show up on a security camera if it's not moving and hidden.
FWIW, the Gibson script addresses this as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 02:33:44 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 02:33:44 AM
You'd think a military ship of the Sulaco's caliber would have some pretty thorough detection capabilities, for detecting intruders as well as unwanted stowaways or foreign objects, like bombs.
I mean if a deep space salvage crew has a little robot that scans an entire room, why wouldn't the military have something to fulfill that function?
I mean if a deep space salvage crew has a little robot that scans an entire room, why wouldn't the military have something to fulfill that function?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 02:35:51 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 02:35:51 AM
Marines lack Army discipline.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 02:38:19 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 02:38:19 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 02:33:44 AM
You'd think a military ship of the Sulaco's caliber would have some pretty thorough detection capabilities, for detecting intruders as well as unwanted stowaways or foreign objects, like bombs.
I mean if a deep space salvage crew has a little robot that scans an entire room, why wouldn't the military have something to fulfill that function?
Maybe they did and it still didn't show up on a scan. Weren't the marines unable to see the aliens in the nest with infrared?
Motion trackers may be the only way to detect these things.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 02:41:12 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 02:41:12 AM
I'd argue this.
It could also be argued that maybe it did and Ripley didn't know how to read it and bishop could no longer access it. If I showed somebody AFATDS without explanation they'd probably just be like, bruh.
It could also be argued that maybe it did and Ripley didn't know how to read it and bishop could no longer access it. If I showed somebody AFATDS without explanation they'd probably just be like, bruh.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 03:47:37 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 03:47:37 AM
That's a good point. It obviously detected it somehow via Bishop's playback on Fury, but the first thing he talked about was the fire. It's almost like he wouldn't even have mentioned it if Ripley didn't dig it out of him. Maybe the ship was the same way, and didn't register something like a facehugger as a threat or significant intruder.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
My own way of looking at it was that the Sulaco registered movement aboard but didn't necessarily translate that to a life form. But when Ripley reactivates him all concerned about the Alien he puts 2 and 2 together.
I honestly can't remember what his exact wording was though I haven't watched any of the movies in awhile.
I honestly can't remember what his exact wording was though I haven't watched any of the movies in awhile.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 03:59:24 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 03:59:24 AM
Maybe the computer mistook it for a Roomba.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 04:17:16 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 21, 2014, 04:17:16 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 03:59:24 AM:laugh: Hahahahaha.
Maybe the computer mistook it for a Roomba.
Bishop used to laugh at Roomba jokes.
Then he took an arrow to the knee.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 21, 2014, 09:02:49 AM
Post by: judge death on Feb 21, 2014, 09:02:49 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 02:41:12 AMWhat I said on the previous page :)
I'd argue this.
It could also be argued that maybe it did and Ripley didn't know how to read it and bishop could no longer access it. If I showed somebody AFATDS without explanation they'd probably just be like, bruh.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 21, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 21, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 21, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
My own way of looking at it was that the Sulaco registered movement aboard but didn't necessarily translate that to a life form. But when Ripley reactivates him all concerned about the Alien he puts 2 and 2 together.
I honestly can't remember what his exact wording was though I haven't watched any of the movies in awhile.
"Bishop was there an alien on board?!"
"It was with us. All the way."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2014, 01:38:39 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2014, 01:38:39 PM
We never saw the dropship docking procedure. Perhaps the queen found an opportunity to hide the egg during that time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2014, 01:43:11 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2014, 01:43:11 PM
Forget hiding it, where did she even get one in the first place? I don't for one second buy into this "she can lay an egg without an egg sac" idea because if that's so, why does she have an egg sac at all? And she clearly isn't carrying an egg when she steps out of the lift at the end of Aliens.
I gave up trying to justify the presence of the egg a long time ago (and I love Alien 3), because any explanation is just a lame series of silly suppositions. The fact is, they f*cked up.
I gave up trying to justify the presence of the egg a long time ago (and I love Alien 3), because any explanation is just a lame series of silly suppositions. The fact is, they f*cked up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2014, 01:59:29 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2014, 01:59:29 PM
It was one of those hamsters from Aliens. She brought it with her and eggmorphed it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 21, 2014, 04:38:01 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 21, 2014, 04:38:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 02:08:26 AMQuote from: StrangeShape on Feb 20, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
Nobody said they would have to go around with flashlights. As A3 showed, a simple Sulaco computer scan of the ship would detect an alien lifeform onboard
What makes you so sure a "simple computer scan" would find it? Ripley asked Bishop if the computer saw anything moving prior to separation. An egg isn't going to set off a motion tracker or show up on a security camera if it's not moving and hidden.
FWIW, the Gibson script addresses this as well.
When Bishop was accessing the flight recorder Ripley asked him was there an alien onboard. Bishop not only confirmed it was, but knew that it was also in the eev, so Sulacos computer knew about the lifeform and even where did it go, so a bioscan should definitely detect an alien lifeform onboard
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 21, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
Post by: stephen on Feb 21, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
We don't know what kind of info bishop was reading when he confirmed the alien was on board. I suggest that he was reading the bios an info showing the face hugger attached to ripley. That's enough to confirm their was one and that it was with us all the way. So ripley could have done all the checks in the world prior to entering hyper sleep and the sulacos computer verified that nothing untoward was going on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 08:49:56 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2014, 08:49:56 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 21, 2014, 04:38:01 PMWhen Bishop was accessing the flight recorder Ripley asked him was there an alien onboard. Bishop not only confirmed it was, but knew that it was also in the eev, so Sulacos computer knew about the lifeform and even where did it go, so a bioscan should definitely detect an alien lifeform onboard
Again, that could simply be due to the facehugger's motion. And what's a "bioscan?" Is this something that they've demonstrated in Alien or Aliens (outside of a cryotube, I mean)? We're not talking about Star Trek here.
Quote from: stephen on Feb 21, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
We don't know what kind of info bishop was reading when he confirmed the alien was on board. I suggest that he was reading the bios an info showing the face hugger attached to ripley. That's enough to confirm their was one and that it was with us all the way. So ripley could have done all the checks in the world prior to entering hyper sleep and the sulacos computer verified that nothing untoward was going on.
Very good point. If nothing else, the neuroscan would have been a definitive confirmation of the alien's presence. The only question is why Bishop didn't tell Ripley that she (or Newt or Hicks) was impregnated during hypersleep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 21, 2014, 09:02:42 PM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 21, 2014, 09:02:42 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2014, 01:43:11 PMIt's been theorised that the Queen could have been carrying a egg on her back between her spines,impossible to see from the full frontal angle of her emerging from the lift.
Forget hiding it, where did she even get one in the first place? I don't for one second buy into this "she can lay an egg without an egg sac" idea because if that's so, why does she have an egg sac at all? And she clearly isn't carrying an egg when she steps out of the lift at the end of Aliens.
I gave up trying to justify the presence of the egg a long time ago (and I love Alien 3), because any explanation is just a lame series of silly suppositions. The fact is, they f*cked up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 21, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Indeed. Safest place to carry an egg - since she was surrounded by them and it wouldn't hard to find one - would be between the spines on her back.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 21, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 21, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
Quote from: stephen on Feb 21, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
We don't know what kind of info bishop was reading when he confirmed the alien was on board. I suggest that he was reading the bios an info showing the face hugger attached to ripley. That's enough to confirm their was one and that it was with us all the way. So ripley could have done all the checks in the world prior to entering hyper sleep and the sulacos computer verified that nothing untoward was going on.
In the novelization (and presumably the script), when asked whether the alien was onboard Bishop doesn't answer for a moment and Ripley grows impatient. Bishop told her to relax and that the answers are in the flight recorder but needs a minute to access it. Since then he said that the alien was on Sulaco, I feel pretty safe to assume the computer recorded and unknown life form, otherwise hed just say there was a movement detected which could've been an alien
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 22, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 22, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
So what's wrong with him accessing the bios am again?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 22, 2014, 02:11:18 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 22, 2014, 02:11:18 PM
It shows that Sulaco could detect an alien lifeform and even where it was and went, so theres no reason why Ripley or Bishop wouldn't tell the Sulaco computer to scan the ship for alien lifeforms
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2014, 05:01:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 22, 2014, 05:01:20 PM
Did it ever occur to you that it might have simply shown up on a security camera at some point when it was crawling around the hypersleep vault? And you completely ignored the point that stephen raised about the neuroscan of the facehugger.
You seem pretty insistent that the ship had Star Trek technology and could perform sensor scans for lifeforms, but I can recall no precedent for such a thing in any of the Alien films.
You seem pretty insistent that the ship had Star Trek technology and could perform sensor scans for lifeforms, but I can recall no precedent for such a thing in any of the Alien films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 22, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 22, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Im not inferring that it has such technology, but Bishop asked the Sulaco computer whether there was an alien onboard and the computer confirmed it and even said where it went. If it did so, I think it isn't so crazy to assume that it could do it when they were still on sulaco. The bluray even shows an animation detecting the location of a foreign lifeform. As for Bishop not mentioning neuroscan, I think it can easily be answered by the fact that he was a wreck and accessing such big answers as to if alien was onboard took him some doing
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 22, 2014, 09:24:45 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 22, 2014, 09:24:45 PM
It could simply, as Local Trouble said, be visible on security cameras. Security camera software can record everything then show the person accessing it, whenever movement occurred. Bishop just has to look at to when movement was detected during certain times.
Cameras were all they had on the Nostromo. No Alien Detectors (TM).
Cameras were all they had on the Nostromo. No Alien Detectors (TM).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 22, 2014, 09:46:29 PM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 22, 2014, 09:46:29 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 22, 2014, 09:24:45 PMMost of the cameras were probably out,requiring Ash to construct motion detectors,but they did get some security cam footage of quick glimpses of the creature in the air shafts.
It could simply, as Local Trouble said, be visible on security cameras. Security camera software can record everything then show the person accessing it, whenever movement occurred. Bishop just has to look at to when movement was detected during certain times.
Cameras were all they had on the Nostromo. No Alien Detectors (TM).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 22, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 22, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
There were no cameras in the air vents. Ripley tells Dallas they're blind on the lower decks before they take off.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 22, 2014, 10:41:02 PM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 22, 2014, 10:41:02 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 22, 2014, 10:19:07 PMI thought that strange too but I was referencing the Alien Lifecycle Easter egg.
There were no cameras in the air vents. Ripley tells Dallas they're blind on the lower decks before they take off.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 22, 2014, 11:11:35 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 22, 2014, 11:11:35 PM
How much Ash knew is never made clear.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 23, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 23, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 22, 2014, 11:11:35 PMThe novel hints at an encounter between Ash and the Alien,maybe something similar could have happened in the film offscreen too,Ash's description of the creature during his interrogation could suggest he might have seen something the others weren't privy to or he could just be going by what he and the others have already seen.
How much Ash knew is never made clear.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 23, 2014, 12:53:48 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 23, 2014, 12:53:48 AM
Ash never really has an opportunity to study the adult. Apart from possibly the deleted airlock scene he never even sees it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 23, 2014, 01:22:13 AM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 23, 2014, 01:22:13 AM
Apart from Kane and himself everybody else got to see it,ironic considering how much he wanted to study it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 23, 2014, 06:14:19 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 23, 2014, 06:14:19 PM
Maybe Mother scanned it with her Alien Detector (TM) and showed her data to Ash.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:29:06 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:29:06 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 22, 2014, 02:11:18 PM
It shows that Sulaco could detect an alien lifeform and even where it was and went, so theres no reason why Ripley or Bishop wouldn't tell the Sulaco computer to scan the ship for alien lifeforms
Where it was and where it went? In the novelization? While interesting the novelisation isn't the movie though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:30:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:30:33 AM
I have more difficulty believing that the Ripley would have allowed the Sulaco to leave orbit without making certain the derelict was obliterated. My head canon says that she was able to launch a nuke at the derelict's grid reference before settling down into hypersleep. Just to be sure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:38:17 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:38:17 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:30:33 AM
I have more difficulty believing that the Ripley would have allowed the Sulaco to leave orbit without making certain the derelict was obliterated. My head canon says that she was able to launch a nuke at the derelict's grid reference before settling down into hypersleep. Just to be sure.
I've often thought this too except she probably couldn't have. There's probably strict protocols to follow to launch nukes etc and I doubt, even if she wanted to, that Ripley would have been able to do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:38:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:38:58 AM
Maybe that's how she became a lieutenant. ;)
Besides that, Hicks seemed confident that he could do it. Unless he was just humoring Ripley, that is.
Besides that, Hicks seemed confident that he could do it. Unless he was just humoring Ripley, that is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 05:42:23 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 05:42:23 AM
She'd wouldn't have left without being sure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:45:29 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:45:29 AM
Is there a scene in the SM-fanfic version of Alien 3 that addresses this?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:48:51 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:48:51 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:38:58 AM
Besides that, Hicks seemed confident that he could do it. Unless he was just humoring Ripley, that is.
Except that he was out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:52:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:52:03 AM
We don't know how much time elapsed between the queen's last stand and beddy-byes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:55:04 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 05:55:04 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:52:03 AM
We don't know how much time elapsed between the queen's last stand and beddy-byes.
Perhaps.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 05:58:26 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 05:58:26 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2014, 05:45:29 AM
Is there a scene in the SM-fanfic version of Alien 3 that addresses this?
No need. It's taken as read that it's destroyed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 24, 2014, 06:01:10 AM
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 24, 2014, 06:01:10 AM
Wouldn't the Derelict have also been destroyed when the Atmosphere Processor went up?Or was that further away?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 06:07:09 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 06:07:09 AM
It's implied the AP explosion took it out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 06:11:49 AM
Post by: stephen on Feb 24, 2014, 06:11:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 06:07:09 AM
It's implied the AP explosion took it out.
This.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 01:33:50 PM
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 01:33:50 PM
I doubt it since in the movie they said the radios of the explosion would be 3 miles, if I recall right. Could be me remember it wrong but if it is then I´m sure the derelight ship is still there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vakarian on Feb 24, 2014, 01:43:41 PM
Post by: Vakarian on Feb 24, 2014, 01:43:41 PM
Bishop said the AP exploding would reduce the area to a cloud of vapour the size of Nebraska. I'm no expert on American geography but i'm pretty sure that's more than three miles.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 01:33:50 PMI doubt it since in the movie they said the radios of the explosion would be 3 miles, if I recall right.Try 30 kilometres (18.6 miles).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 01:44:23 PMNebraska is still far bigger than 3 miles or 30km, Bishop say 3 miles in one line and nebraska in another, when they fly away it seems to be 3 miles but I dunno.Quote from: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 01:33:50 PMI doubt it since in the movie they said the radios of the explosion would be 3 miles, if I recall right.Try 30 kilometres (18.6 miles).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 03:58:04 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 03:52:46 PMNebraska is still far bigger than 3 miles or 30km, Bishop say 3 miles in one line and nebraska in another, when they fly away it seems to be 3 miles but I dunno.He never says 3 miles. The line is:
"How long 'til it blows?" - Hicks
"Four hours. With a blast radius of 30 kilometres; equal to about 40 megatons." - Bishop
Don't forget that's radius too, so the blast is actually 60km (nearly 40 miles) across from one side to the other.
As for the Nebraska thing, I'm happy for an actual American to correct me, but I believe saying something is "the size of Nebraska" is just an American figure of speech for something that's large. I've heard it used in other films too, and they weren't literally talking about the size of the state.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
There it is!
Well I watched aliens with British subtitles, might explain the miles text xD But yes thats it!
60km then I´m sure the alien ship survived it, dont tell fox or else they make a movie about that!
That sounds very likely. :)
Well I watched aliens with British subtitles, might explain the miles text xD But yes thats it!
60km then I´m sure the alien ship survived it, dont tell fox or else they make a movie about that!
That sounds very likely. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 04:38:26 PM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 04:28:43 PM60km then I´m sure the alien ship survived it, dont tell fox or else they make a movie about that!Says who? We're never told how far away the derelict is from the colony. Given how bad the visibility is in the exterior scenes on LV-426, and how the moon apparently hasn't been explored all that thoroughly, the ship wouldn't necessarily have to be particularly far away for it to be unknown to the inhabitants. It could certainly be as little as ten miles, easily close enough to get nuked if the blast radius is nearer twenty miles.
And they already made something about the derelict surviving. It was called Aliens: Colonial Marines.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
Post by: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
True, until we really know it will only be guesses.
I wont count that as canon nor is it a movie but yeah I get your point.
I wont count that as canon nor is it a movie but yeah I get your point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2014, 04:43:22 PM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 24, 2014, 04:41:12 PMI wont count that as canon nor is it a movie but yeah I get your point.The less said about that game the better! :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenoscream on Feb 24, 2014, 07:30:49 PM
Post by: Xenoscream on Feb 24, 2014, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2014, 12:53:48 AM
Ash never really has an opportunity to study the adult. Apart from possibly the deleted airlock scene he never even sees it.
It's either in the novel or script (don't remember which) but Ripley asks Ash when his head is on the table "Did you try and communicate with it" to which Ash evasively replies "Won't you let me die with some secrets". So it seems implied he did go and see it in some version of the story.
Also the way he describes the Alien to them implies some greater knowledge of it, unless he's just getting all his information from Mother.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
Or he's just f**king with their heads.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
The Tech manual flat out states the Derelict is untouched because it was behind a mountain range.
That's if you consider the tech manual canon though.
The tech manual also inplies that bishop was a unique android who was privy to information he was not supposed to be.
That's if you consider the tech manual canon though.
The tech manual also inplies that bishop was a unique android who was privy to information he was not supposed to be.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:27:06 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:27:06 AM
Resurrection says the Derelict was destroyed.
That's if you consider Resurrection canon though.
And consider Ripley an idiot.
That's if you consider Resurrection canon though.
And consider Ripley an idiot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 01:32:34 AM
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 01:32:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:27:06 AM
Resurrection says the Derelict was destroyed.
it does?
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:27:06 AM
That's if you consider Resurrection canon though.
Nope.
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:27:06 AM
And consider Ripley an idiot.
I always assumed she assumed it was destroyed. Since a doubt a civilian would have access to the Sulaco's nukes
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:37:47 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:37:47 AM
That people would think Ripley would leave without being sure boggles the mind.
Slightly less mind boggling, but still fairly mind boggling is people would be so dismissive of her sacrifice on Fiorina.
Dialogue in the film implies it's destroyed.
The novelisation directly confirms it.
Slightly less mind boggling, but still fairly mind boggling is people would be so dismissive of her sacrifice on Fiorina.
Quoteit does?
Dialogue in the film implies it's destroyed.
The novelisation directly confirms it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 01:44:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 01:44:45 AM
This thread is like Groundhog Day.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:47:56 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:47:56 AM
A moment please...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 01:50:18 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 01:50:18 AM
...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 25, 2014, 01:52:42 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 25, 2014, 01:52:42 AM
Wonderful Harold Ramis.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 02:00:34 AM
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 02:00:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:47:56 AM
A moment please...
yeah that was sad news. :'(
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:37:47 AM
That people would think Ripley would leave without being sure boggles the mind.
Slightly less mind boggling, but still fairly mind boggling is people would be so dismissive of her sacrifice on Fiorina.Quoteit does?
Dialogue in the film implies it's destroyed.
The novelisation directly confirms it.
ah yes I remember now.
Well as I said I always assumed she assumed it was destroyed, since 40 megatons is a pretty damn big explosion.*shrugs*
I still don't believe she would have had access to the Sulaco's nukes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 02:04:07 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 02:04:07 AM
Probably not. But if she wasn't sure it was gone, she would've waited until Hicks was well enough to do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 02:21:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 02:21:45 AM
In my head canon, Bishop suggested to her that he could hack into the ship's computer and "promote her" to a USCM lieutenant. This would in turn grant her the authority to arm and launch the Sulaco's nukes. ;D
This missing scene would have the added benefit of providing a clear explanation as to why she's suddenly "Leftenant Ripley" in Alien 3.
This missing scene would have the added benefit of providing a clear explanation as to why she's suddenly "Leftenant Ripley" in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 02:25:15 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 02:25:15 AM
I just figured the Lieutenant was short for Flight Lieutenant (Commercial) based on her WY reinstatement.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 02:26:37 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 02:26:37 AM
I know. I just wanted a clearer alternative explanation for it since no one ever calls her that in Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 02:37:40 AM
Post by: TorsoInvader on Feb 25, 2014, 02:37:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 02:04:07 AM
Probably not. But if she wasn't sure it was gone, she would've waited until Hicks was well enough to do it.
You know that is pretty plausible, that actually does make sence. :o
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 02:21:45 AM
In my head canon, Bishop suggested to her that he could hack into the ship's computer and "promote her" to a USCM lieutenant. This would in turn grant her the authority to arm and launch the Sulaco's nukes. ;D
This missing scene would have the added benefit of providing a clear explanation as to why she's suddenly "Leftenant Ripley" in Alien 3.
LMAO interesting theory. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2014, 08:38:37 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2014, 08:38:37 AM
Ripley's rank is a mess.
She's a Warrant Officer in Alien (although we don't find out until Aliens), she's a Lieutenant in Alien 3, and then Resurrection says she's a Lieutenant First Class.
She's a Warrant Officer in Alien (although we don't find out until Aliens), she's a Lieutenant in Alien 3, and then Resurrection says she's a Lieutenant First Class.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
To say nothing of her constantly changing registration number.
The line about her being a Warrant Officer is mentioned in the script for Alien, but was ultimately cut.
The line about her being a Warrant Officer is mentioned in the script for Alien, but was ultimately cut.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 25, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 25, 2014, 10:16:14 PM
No she says 'warrant officer' during the end transmission, doesn't she?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 11:10:34 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 11:10:34 PM
Van Leuwen called her "Officer Ripley" at the inquest, so there's that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:19:34 PM
She says "Third Officer reporting" in Alien and Van Leuwen refers to her as "Warrant Officer E Ripley".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 11:21:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 11:21:26 PM
Was this in the theatrical cuts?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:23:56 PM
Van Leuwen's bit was reinserted into the SE.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 25, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 25, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
So she's had four ranks in as many films. Christ.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 25, 2014, 11:53:46 PM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 25, 2014, 11:53:46 PM
Nice, thanks SM.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 25, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 25, 2014, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 25, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
So she's had four ranks in as many films. Christ.
Well, there is a lot of time jumps. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:59:16 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:59:16 PM
Could only be two really. If someone is Lieutenant First Class, they're not going to be referred to as that. They'd simply be called "Lieutenant". I think.
If she attained that rank on accepting Burke's offer, you can explain away Brandywine's lack of continuity by saying that Warrant Officer in 2122 = Lieutenant First Class in 2179.
If she attained that rank on accepting Burke's offer, you can explain away Brandywine's lack of continuity by saying that Warrant Officer in 2122 = Lieutenant First Class in 2179.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 26, 2014, 12:01:04 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 26, 2014, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:59:16 PM
Could only be two really. If someone is Lieutenant First Class, they're not going to be referred to as that. They'd simply be called "Lieutenant". I think.
If she attained that rank on accepting Burke's offer, you can explain away Brandywine's lack of continuity by saying that Warrant Officer in 2122 = Lieutenant First Class in 2179.
That makes sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 26, 2014, 03:50:42 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 26, 2014, 03:50:42 AM
She does have a Class Two rating on the loaders :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 07:04:35 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 07:04:35 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:59:16 PMA Warrant Officer and Third Officer aren't the same thing, but.
Could only be two really. If someone is Lieutenant First Class, they're not going to be referred to as that. They'd simply be called "Lieutenant". I think.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 26, 2014, 07:05:43 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 26, 2014, 07:05:43 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 07:04:35 AMQuote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:59:16 PMA Warrant Officer and Third Officer aren't the same thing, but.
Could only be two really. If someone is Lieutenant First Class, they're not going to be referred to as that. They'd simply be called "Lieutenant". I think.
"Dwayne."
"It's Dwayne."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2014, 08:50:13 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2014, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 07:04:35 AMA Warrant Officer and Third Officer aren't the same thing, but.I always assumed Warrant Officer was her rank, whereas "third officer" simply referred to the fact she was third in command of the ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 10:59:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 10:59:04 AM
A Warrant Officer isn't really in line of command (Although a Third Officer is, oddly, fourth or fifth in command.)
However a Third Officer is usually in charge of ship safety, which matches her behaviour throughout the film -- demanding Dallas adhere to quarantine protocol, etc.
However a Third Officer is usually in charge of ship safety, which matches her behaviour throughout the film -- demanding Dallas adhere to quarantine protocol, etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2014, 08:43:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2014, 08:43:26 PM
IIRC and FWIW, the Alien 3 novelization said that Ripley held the marine rank of lieutenant. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 26, 2014, 08:44:48 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 26, 2014, 08:44:48 PM
I will check my book when I get home, I think that can be "confirmed" status.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 26, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 26, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 07:04:35 AMQuote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 11:59:16 PMA Warrant Officer and Third Officer aren't the same thing, but.
Could only be two really. If someone is Lieutenant First Class, they're not going to be referred to as that. They'd simply be called "Lieutenant". I think.
I just figured she was the third officer of the Nostromo - Dallas and Kane being the first and second officer.
Even though Dallas was Captain and Kane was Executive Officer.
f**ked if I know. Blame Giler and Hill - they described her as Warrant Officer in the sciprt and than Dallas calls her Warrant Officer later on. Then she describes herself as Third Officer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 10:06:22 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 26, 2014, 10:06:22 PM
Maybe in the future you can be third officer by warrant.
Or, yeah, she was just third in command of the ship.
Hurrah, problems solved!
Or, yeah, she was just third in command of the ship.
Hurrah, problems solved!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 28, 2014, 01:53:43 AM
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 28, 2014, 01:53:43 AM
Darkness, I believe the Queen managed to lay it their before she was killed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2014, 02:17:32 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2014, 02:17:32 AM
Well, if she was a warrant officer, and it still had any relation to warrant officers in service today, it would make her very experienced among the crew. Could explain a bit of her badassery.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2014, 08:36:40 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2014, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: winddownandsmoke92 on Feb 28, 2014, 01:53:43 AMDarkness, I believe the Queen managed to lay it their before she was killed.Except how is she supposed to lay an egg with no egg sac?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2014, 08:56:42 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2014, 08:56:42 AM
Like how an Alien makes an egg with no queen ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2014, 08:58:35 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 28, 2014, 08:58:35 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2014, 08:56:42 AMLike how an Alien makes an egg with no queen ;)Then who does she use to make the egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2014, 09:16:26 AM
Post by: RagingDragon on Feb 28, 2014, 09:16:26 AM
I want to SEX Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 28, 2014, 11:21:22 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Feb 28, 2014, 11:21:22 PM
Or maybe Colonial Marines...
OR MAYBE a drone hid with the Queen then left the dropship after everyone went to sleep and cocooned whoever pilots the Sulaco (Perhaps a character we never met) therefore that's why the egg is on the wall due to egg morphing and when the electrical fire happens it kills the drone?
IDK f**kin' know. Because there's truthfully many answers you could choose from.
OR MAYBE a drone hid with the Queen then left the dropship after everyone went to sleep and cocooned whoever pilots the Sulaco (Perhaps a character we never met) therefore that's why the egg is on the wall due to egg morphing and when the electrical fire happens it kills the drone?
IDK f**kin' know. Because there's truthfully many answers you could choose from.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: otto.nilsson3 on Jun 02, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
Post by: otto.nilsson3 on Jun 02, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but for all the guys/chicks out there that suspects Bishop..
Please explain to me how he transported the Egg without LEGS!!!
And don't come with that; "ehehshhdhhd, exosuit..."
He couldn't possibly move the exosuit without any legs..
Now debate...
Please explain to me how he transported the Egg without LEGS!!!
And don't come with that; "ehehshhdhhd, exosuit..."
He couldn't possibly move the exosuit without any legs..
Now debate...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2014, 01:09:43 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2014, 01:09:43 AM
I don't think anyone suspects Bishop after he gets cleft in twain.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Jun 03, 2014, 02:24:39 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Jun 03, 2014, 02:24:39 AM
I like to think that there is no physical egg in the Sulaco at all, but the pictures we see is just from Ripley's dream.
It's more plausible a couple of facehuggers hitched a ride up with the Queen and then stowed away somewhere.
It's more plausible a couple of facehuggers hitched a ride up with the Queen and then stowed away somewhere.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2014, 02:31:24 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2014, 02:31:24 AM
The problem there is the facehugger's behavior would then not make any sense. It would have been more likely for them to immediately seek out Newt and Ripley for impregnation, or to give Hicks a smoochy while he was comatose in the drop ship.
Unless we're going to go with the idea that they let their queen die for some reason, which doesn't seem in keeping.
As an aside I always liked the idea of the queen's stinger doing nasty crap to Bishop's insides from the unused Gibson draft. Just seemed like a neat way to expand on the alien capabilities and avoid them being boxed into just one kind of life cycle.
Unless we're going to go with the idea that they let their queen die for some reason, which doesn't seem in keeping.
As an aside I always liked the idea of the queen's stinger doing nasty crap to Bishop's insides from the unused Gibson draft. Just seemed like a neat way to expand on the alien capabilities and avoid them being boxed into just one kind of life cycle.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Jun 03, 2014, 02:45:30 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Jun 03, 2014, 02:45:30 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2014, 02:31:24 AM
The problem there is the facehugger's behavior would then not make any sense. It would have been more likely for them to immediately seek out Newt and Ripley for impregnation, or to give Hicks a smoochy while he was comatose in the drop ship.
Unless we're going to go with the idea that they let their queen die for some reason, which doesn't seem in keeping.
I dunno. I think facehuggers tend to not attack until someone comes very close to them. And judging by where the Queen hid on the dropship, I don't think the facehuggers would have found Hicks inside. I think it's possible they could have snuck off and found a crevice somewhere to hide in until they felt the time to strike. From my observations, facehuggers have a more "wait and strike" kind of nature.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 03, 2014, 07:32:18 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 03, 2014, 07:32:18 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2014, 02:31:24 AMAs an aside I always liked the idea of the queen's stinger doing nasty crap to Bishop's insides from the unused Gibson draft. Just seemed like a neat way to expand on the alien capabilities and avoid them being boxed into just one kind of life cycle.That was a cool idea (although I didn't like the new Thing-style skin-shedding Aliens he uses), and from what I remember the only really logical continuation from Aliens that was actually proposed in any of the scripts (not counting Twohy's, which starts unrelated).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2014, 07:55:38 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2014, 07:55:38 AM
Gibson's original draft had soldiers boarding the Sulaco and being slaughtered by full grown Aliens. Which wasn't terribly logical.
Think they might've got dropped from the second draft.
Think they might've got dropped from the second draft.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 03, 2014, 08:16:25 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 03, 2014, 08:16:25 AM
They were, sorry, I should've pointed out I was referring to the second draft, which was far more refined.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2014, 08:39:58 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2014, 08:39:58 AM
Can someone point me to the second draft? I've only ever read the first one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 03, 2014, 08:44:33 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 03, 2014, 08:44:33 AM
If you PM me your email address I can send you a copy. It isn't available online, as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2014, 02:05:26 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2014, 02:05:26 PM
Quote from: PsyKore on Jun 03, 2014, 02:45:30 AMQuote from: OpenMaw on Jun 03, 2014, 02:31:24 AM
The problem there is the facehugger's behavior would then not make any sense. It would have been more likely for them to immediately seek out Newt and Ripley for impregnation, or to give Hicks a smoochy while he was comatose in the drop ship.
Unless we're going to go with the idea that they let their queen die for some reason, which doesn't seem in keeping.
I dunno. I think facehuggers tend to not attack until someone comes very close to them. And judging by where the Queen hid on the dropship, I don't think the facehuggers would have found Hicks inside. I think it's possible they could have snuck off and found a crevice somewhere to hide in until they felt the time to strike. From my observations, facehuggers have a more "wait and strike" kind of nature.
I dont think thats the way it is. In Alien we're shown that they can lay dormant for thousands of years and that they never react on their own. All eggs were intact and one moved only when Kane was nearby. It will always be puzzling why the hugger in A3 simply decided to get out to the world and start sightseeing the ship
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2014, 05:18:54 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2014, 05:18:54 PM
Maybe royal facehuggers are more proactive.
Did Ripley jostle the one that opened right before she torched the nest?
Did Ripley jostle the one that opened right before she torched the nest?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 04, 2014, 04:56:22 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 04, 2014, 04:56:22 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 03, 2014, 02:05:26 PMIn Alien we're shown that they can lay dormant for thousands of years and that they never react on their own.When are we shown that? We see eggs and we see one react to Kane. Beyond that we don't see much of anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2014, 05:09:21 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2014, 05:09:21 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2014, 06:04:04 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2014, 06:04:04 AM
We also saw all the other eggs ignore Kane, even the one he bumped into.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 04, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 04, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
We didn't see them ignore him. We only saw that there was no visible reaction. There is a difference. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2014, 03:33:51 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2014, 03:33:51 PM
Touche.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 04, 2014, 06:14:28 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 04, 2014, 06:14:28 PM
Am I the only one who imagines the facehugger in that egg going "Hey, buddy, do you mind? Some of us are trying to get some sleep around here..."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:00:14 PM
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:00:14 PM
I think it was Bishop but he didn't actually know that he was doing it, since he is unable to harm humans or put them in harms way the company probably sent an override signal to Bishop to retrieve an egg for the Bio weapons division, after all he was made by Michael Weyland shown at the end of Alien 3. When the atmospheric processor started going critical maybe the queen layed a queen egg because she felt in danger and had the egg hidden from the main hive and Bishop found it. He put it under the cyro tubes so that it would awake during the journey and facehug one of the passengers and it will be easier to transport the alien through ICC. However the company turned off the signal and went back to normal and has no recollection of what he has done so he cannot tell Ripley like when he told her about Burke's plan by accident and it would serve the company to let Bishop to save the survivors in order to have a host. However the question is when did Bishop do this was it when Ripley went after Newt or when he went to bring down the dropship. I think it was went to bring down the dropship because I think there wasn't enough time to go back and fourth to the Sulaco and find the egg in the hive in 15 minutes. He could have tried to trick the survivors when he was bringing the dropship down as it could have been for the second time to act like he just got there. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:06:27 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:00:14 PMHe put it under the cyro tubes so that it would awake during the journey and facehug one of the passengers and it will be easier to transport the alien through ICC.Except Bishop got ripped in half the moment he stepped onto the Sulaco. Kinda hard to move an egg with no legs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:16:15 PM
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:16:15 PM
Sorry if i wasn't clear but I meant that he went before that to put the egg there either when he went out to get the dropship by remote or when ripley went after newt, not when he got ripped in half but way before that :)
I forgot to mention that i believe that he did this off screen and went to the Sulaco 2 times one to put the egg and the other he got ripped in half
I forgot to mention that i believe that he did this off screen and went to the Sulaco 2 times one to put the egg and the other he got ripped in half
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:20:55 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:20:55 PM
Quote from: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:16:15 PMSorry if i wasn't clear but I meant that he went before that to put the egg there either when he went out to get the dropship by remote or when ripley went after newt, not when he got ripped in half but way before that :)He didn't have time to go to the Sulaco twice. The film makes it pretty clear he barely has time to get the dropship down once. It arrives at the landing pad more or less as Ripley and the wounded Hicks do, and Bishop's still on the ground piloting it by remote. And Ripley's only in the nest for a few minutes, so there's no time then either, especially as Bishop would have to go all the way down into the nest to get the egg, without Ripley seeing him do it.
I forgot to mention that i believe that he did this off screen and went to the Sulaco 2 times one to put the egg and the other he got ripped in half
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
I know but he could have made it look that way in order to fool Ripley that he had been there the entire time like the dropship could have been hidden near by and when Hicks contacted Bishop he could have started getting ready to bring the ship from its hiding place
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:29:10 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:29:10 PM
No, because several times between Bishop going to bring the dropship down and it arriving at the landing pad we see/hear proof that he's still on the ground waiting for it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 06, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
Well then when could he have done it or was it the queen but i don't think she was able to enter the cyro chamber area, or was it just a plot hole and we should ignore the egg and just imagine that a queen facehugger snuck on board
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
Simple - it's just a plot hole.
I'm sure they could've come up with a better way of continuing things in the third film, but ultimately they just went for the magic egg.
I'm sure they could've come up with a better way of continuing things in the third film, but ultimately they just went for the magic egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 06, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 06, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
No way man, Bishop definitely did it. He also switched the Sulaco cryotubes for different ones and repainted the name on the side of the ship in a different colour.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 06, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 06, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 06, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
No way man, Bishop definitely did it. He also switched the Sulaco cryotubes for different ones and repainted the name on the side of the ship in a different colour.
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 06, 2014, 03:20:46 PMNo way man, Bishop definitely did it. He also switched the Sulaco cryotubes for different ones and repainted the name on the side of the ship in a different colour.That devious s.o.b....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 06, 2014, 03:39:48 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 06, 2014, 03:39:48 PM
You can't trust 'droids, man. White-blooded bastard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 06, 2014, 04:45:54 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 06, 2014, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Jun 06, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
No way man, Bishop definitely did it. He also switched the Sulaco cryotubes for different ones and repainted the name on the side of the ship in a different colour.
Bishop's a dick.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 06, 2014, 10:56:48 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 06, 2014, 10:56:48 PM
QuoteWell then when could he have done it or was it the queen but i don't think she was able to enter the cyro chamber area
We don't know if the egg is even in the cryochamber.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 07, 2014, 02:12:10 AM
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Jun 07, 2014, 02:12:10 AM
I just looked at the scenes where Bishop was calling down the dropship and there was too little time for him to do it so its probably just a plot hole either way Aliens and Alien 3 are great movies some of the best ever made, I was just wondering if the Bishop idea would make more sense then random egg and also if it isn't in the cryo chamber where can it be.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 07, 2014, 03:34:15 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 07, 2014, 03:34:15 AM
It's not a plot hole. There was a Queen on the ship. Eggs come from Queens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 07, 2014, 04:37:41 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Jun 07, 2014, 04:37:41 AM
Yeah, it's not a plot hole. It's a plot contrivance. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 07, 2014, 04:44:40 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 07, 2014, 04:44:40 AM
Correct.
"Plot hole" seems to be the catch-all phrase for dumb stuff in movies.
"Plot hole" seems to be the catch-all phrase for dumb stuff in movies.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: pvt spunkmajor on Jun 20, 2016, 11:47:18 PM
Post by: pvt spunkmajor on Jun 20, 2016, 11:47:18 PM
The queen is no longer fertile once removed from egg sack ........and only removes herself under extreme situations.....I however do not disagree with this whole theory, but the said egg on the royal facehugger must have been laid well in advance removed from the hatchery as a precautionary measure. ripley stumbled in the queen gave the order and either drone or royal hugger carried out the mission ........the question i have ... dose the royal facehugger carry the genes for a new queen or are they just hatchery servants? If the royal hugger indeed is the one to create a new queen then the buster in ripley (alien 3) was not a new queen. in fact the cow had the queen. The film states that Ripleys torso invader indeed is of royal decent.
so my theory is that without royal pheromones from the queen the newly hatched facehugger then modified its chromosomes to create a new queen (like adding the x or y chromosome) .the royal face hugger is nothing more than a face hugger that that is independent of needing a queen control and can act without one to carry out deeds for the progression of the species. it helps the queen but is more intelligent than the drones and warriors whom rely on pheromones to keep order in the hive.
so my theory is that without royal pheromones from the queen the newly hatched facehugger then modified its chromosomes to create a new queen (like adding the x or y chromosome) .the royal face hugger is nothing more than a face hugger that that is independent of needing a queen control and can act without one to carry out deeds for the progression of the species. it helps the queen but is more intelligent than the drones and warriors whom rely on pheromones to keep order in the hive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 21, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 21, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: pvt spunkmajor on Jun 20, 2016, 11:47:18 PMIf the royal hugger indeed is the one to create a new queen then the buster in ripley (alien 3) was not a new queen. in fact the cow had the queen. The film states that Ripleys torso invader indeed is of royal decent.
Current fanon explanation is that the royal facehugger implants two embryos: a queen and a bodyguard. Ripley got the queen, the dog/ox got the bodyguard.
My theory is that facehuggers don't grow spikes, armor and webbing unless threatened by a hostile environment or other organisms. This is why it looked normal on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 21, 2016, 03:52:42 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 21, 2016, 03:52:42 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 21, 2016, 03:21:47 PMQuote from: pvt spunkmajor on Jun 20, 2016, 11:47:18 PMIf the royal hugger indeed is the one to create a new queen then the buster in ripley (alien 3) was not a new queen. in fact the cow had the queen. The film states that Ripleys torso invader indeed is of royal decent.
Current fanon explanation is that the royal facehugger implants two embryos: a queen and a bodyguard. Ripley got the queen, the dog/ox got the bodyguard.
My theory is that facehuggers don't grow spikes, armor and webbing unless threatened by a hostile environment or other organisms. This is why it looked normal on the Sulaco.
It also looked normal on the eev after it crashed and was then eyeing the dog up. My thoughts are that the royal facehugger doesn't look any different than a normal one, and that the black webbed royal facehugger just isn't really part of the film or cannon at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 21, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 21, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 21, 2016, 03:52:42 PMIt also looked normal on the eev after it crashed and was then eyeing the dog up.
That shot isn't in the Assembly Cut, and conversely the armoured Royal Facehugger doesn't appear in the theatrical cut. The only shot of a normal Facehugger seen in the extended cut is the quick glimpse of it unfolding its legs during the opening credits.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 21, 2016, 08:32:08 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 21, 2016, 08:32:08 PM
Oh gotcha, I thought we were referring to the theatrical cut as the canon version.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 21, 2016, 08:50:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 21, 2016, 08:50:45 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 21, 2016, 05:09:32 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jun 21, 2016, 03:52:42 PMIt also looked normal on the eev after it crashed and was then eyeing the dog up.
That shot isn't in the Assembly Cut, and conversely the armoured Royal Facehugger doesn't appear in the theatrical cut. The only shot of a normal Facehugger seen in the extended cut is the quick glimpse of it unfolding its legs during the opening credits.
This shot was in the special edition:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 21, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 21, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
I may add that there were two huggers in the novel as well. The first one dies after getting critically cut by broken glass of the hypersleep chamber of Newt (trying to get in).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 21, 2016, 11:35:58 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 21, 2016, 11:35:58 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 21, 2016, 05:09:32 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jun 21, 2016, 03:52:42 PMIt also looked normal on the eev after it crashed and was then eyeing the dog up.
That shot isn't in the Assembly Cut,
Hence my theory. It explains how the same facehugger looks different before and after the crash.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 21, 2016, 09:54:28 PM
I may add that there were two huggers in the novel as well. The first one dies after getting critically cut by broken glass of the hypersleep chamber of Newt (trying to get in).
I think the novelization was rejected by the Orthodox Church of Alien 3 Canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 22, 2016, 02:23:10 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 22, 2016, 02:23:10 AM
You are all sinners before an angry god. - Rev. Dillon
:P
I do like your theory of the evolution of the royal hugger too.
:P
I do like your theory of the evolution of the royal hugger too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 22, 2016, 10:41:57 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 22, 2016, 10:41:57 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 21, 2016, 09:54:28 PMI may add that there were two huggers in the novel as well. The first one dies after getting critically cut by broken glass of the hypersleep chamber of Newt (trying to get in).
To be honest, I don't think even ADF knew what was meant to be going on when he wrote that because the first one dies before it can impregnate anyone, so we still have the second magically impregnating two people lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: markweatherill on Jun 22, 2016, 11:22:21 AM
Post by: markweatherill on Jun 22, 2016, 11:22:21 AM
1. who's to say the egg(s) can't move around like jumping beans when they want to?
2. Apone or one of the other cocooned marines somehow got loose and sneaked aboard, hid in a corner and eggmorphed.
2. Apone or one of the other cocooned marines somehow got loose and sneaked aboard, hid in a corner and eggmorphed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 02:38:24 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 22, 2016, 02:23:10 AMI do like your theory of the evolution of the royal hugger too.
Well, at least someone finally does.
In fact, Ash told Ripley that the original facehugger had a "funny little habit" of shedding its cells and replacing them with polarized silicon to protect against adverse environmental conditions.
The "super facehugger" could simply be a visible manifestation of this ability.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 22, 2016, 10:41:57 AMQuote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 21, 2016, 09:54:28 PMI may add that there were two huggers in the novel as well. The first one dies after getting critically cut by broken glass of the hypersleep chamber of Newt (trying to get in).
To be honest, I don't think even ADF knew what was meant to be going on when he wrote that because the first one dies before it can impregnate anyone, so we still have the second magically impregnating two people lol.
Salient point. The second facehugger solved nothing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2016, 02:47:40 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2016, 02:47:40 PM
I think the film would have benefited from just leaving the events that transpired on the sulaco unknown. Just seeing the sulaco and the eev break away and crash on the planet (Like in the Alien3 comic).
It would be much easier to theorize what happened then what we have now which doesn't really make any sense.
I would have been a nice lil open ended mystery.
It would be much easier to theorize what happened then what we have now which doesn't really make any sense.
I would have been a nice lil open ended mystery.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 02:56:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 02:56:44 PM
It's an open ended mystery anyway. The only Alien 3 script that bothered to explain the egg was the one William Gibson wrote in 1988. In that version, an egg grows out of Bishop's torso within his cryotube, ostensibly due to having been contaminated with genetic material when the queen impaled him.
It's long been my theory that this is still the basis for the egg's presence on the Sulaco and the screenwriters simply didn't bother to tell us. However, instead of growing out of Bishop's entrails, it grew from some genetic goo that oozed out of the queen and congealed in the hangar bay's subflooring.
It's long been my theory that this is still the basis for the egg's presence on the Sulaco and the screenwriters simply didn't bother to tell us. However, instead of growing out of Bishop's entrails, it grew from some genetic goo that oozed out of the queen and congealed in the hangar bay's subflooring.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
That's basically how I feel as well, that the eggs can grow from some sort of spore, and perhaps even move on their own.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 03:02:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 09, 2014, 01:14:46 AMQuote from: Xenomorphine on May 09, 2014, 12:48:29 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 08, 2014, 06:30:23 PM
No, the one about the queen oozing out a glob of goo that congealed in the subflooring of the hangar bay and then grew into the egg we saw.
Again, if she can do that, why does she naturally grow an egg sack? There'd be no point in it even existing.Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:41:51 AM
Well, the egg sac would allow for the rapid production of fully functional eggs. This method would be much slower. Theoretically, a soldier alien could produce eggs the same way.Quote from: Kimarhi on May 09, 2014, 12:54:30 AM
unless it lets her rapidly produce eggs whereas not having one wouldn't.
:D
:D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2016, 03:07:44 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2016, 03:07:44 PM
I like it ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 03:12:27 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2016, 03:07:44 PM
I like it ;)
It's not a popular theory. Then again, neither was the royal facehugger back in the day. Some fans who were so entrenched in the "one embryo per facehugger" rule that any suggestion otherwise was considered heresy and the term "royal facehugger" was met with derision.
Nowadays, it's basically mainstream. Or at least, SM has accepted it, which amounts to essentially the same thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Adam802 on Jun 30, 2016, 04:33:25 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Jun 30, 2016, 04:33:25 AM
This has been a point of debate/discussion in the community for a while. But I think it's overthink-ed.
I think it's really safe to assume that the Queen just managed to lay it while hiding on the back of the dropship at some point. As a parasitic species like the Xeno would propagate as much as possible, so its not hard to believe the Queen could lay an egg or 2 with out her egg-sack. Or a Drone could've stuck the egg to the dropship while it was very briefly landed on the surface. Again, Xenos have been known to sneak aboard/around ships frequantly.
As for the egg's apparent location as seen in Alien 3, it was probably an oversight by the A3 filmmakers. As we know, A3 went through some real development hell, so it's easy to see how the continuity of it all could've been either overlooked or messed up. Either way, we really shouldn't look too much into the actual LOCATION of the egg as seen in the beginning of A3, and concentrate more on just the fact that there was an egg on the Sulaco in general.
I think it's really safe to assume that the Queen just managed to lay it while hiding on the back of the dropship at some point. As a parasitic species like the Xeno would propagate as much as possible, so its not hard to believe the Queen could lay an egg or 2 with out her egg-sack. Or a Drone could've stuck the egg to the dropship while it was very briefly landed on the surface. Again, Xenos have been known to sneak aboard/around ships frequantly.
As for the egg's apparent location as seen in Alien 3, it was probably an oversight by the A3 filmmakers. As we know, A3 went through some real development hell, so it's easy to see how the continuity of it all could've been either overlooked or messed up. Either way, we really shouldn't look too much into the actual LOCATION of the egg as seen in the beginning of A3, and concentrate more on just the fact that there was an egg on the Sulaco in general.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 06:26:38 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 06:26:38 AM
The xenos placing the eggs there seems to be the most plausible theory.
If you remember in Alien Resurrection, the xenos set a trap by placing eggs near the surface of the water. The Queen couldn't have put them there as she was immobile in a waste tank at the bottom of the ship.
So I think the xenos placed the eggs onboard the dropship to set a trap for Ripley and company. Probably while Ripley and Hicks were still trying to escape Operations.
If you remember in Alien Resurrection, the xenos set a trap by placing eggs near the surface of the water. The Queen couldn't have put them there as she was immobile in a waste tank at the bottom of the ship.
So I think the xenos placed the eggs onboard the dropship to set a trap for Ripley and company. Probably while Ripley and Hicks were still trying to escape Operations.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 30, 2016, 06:32:03 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 30, 2016, 06:32:03 AM
While the dropship was still 15 minutes from landing?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 06:36:34 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 06:36:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 30, 2016, 06:32:03 AM
While the dropship was still 15 minutes from landing?
It's been a while since I've seen Aliens so I'm not sure of the time frame. When exactly did the dropship land?
Then it could have been while Bishop was waiting on the platform for Ripley while she went into the hive to rescue Newt. That makes more sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
It's not inconceivable that an Alien could have snuck an egg on board the dropship.
The problem is the egg isn't on the dropship. It's clearly attached to a joist labelled "SULACO" in the opening of the third film.
The problem is the egg isn't on the dropship. It's clearly attached to a joist labelled "SULACO" in the opening of the third film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 30, 2016, 08:41:38 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 30, 2016, 08:41:38 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 30, 2016, 06:32:03 AM
While the dropship was still 15 minutes from landing?
You can make it work.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 09:46:31 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 09:46:31 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
It's not inconceivable that an Alien could have snuck an egg on board the dropship.
The problem is the egg isn't on the dropship. It's clearly attached to a joist labelled "SULACO" in the opening of the third film.
Then an alien stowed away with the egg and carried it onto the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 12:51:53 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 12:51:53 PM
So where did that Alien go? Why didn't it attempt to do anything to the other people on board? Why didn't it help the Queen and stop her being killed?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 12:51:53 PM
So where did that Alien go? Why didn't it attempt to do anything to the other people on board? Why didn't it help the Queen and stop her being killed?
It just went to hibernate like the original alien on the Nostromo.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
Leaving it's Queen to die...
Don't buy it. If there were more Aliens on board, we would've seen them.
Don't buy it. If there were more Aliens on board, we would've seen them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:50:03 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
Leaving it's Queen to die...
Don't buy it. If there were more Aliens on board, we would've seen them.
We heard the facehugger during the end credits of Aliens.
Plus, we are told in the film that the Queen communicates with the other aliens. She could've told the xeno to wait and use the facehugger as a backup plan. Xenos are smart creatures, as they know to cut the power, so this isn't contradicted by the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 03:36:14 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:50:03 PMWe heard the facehugger during the end credits of Aliens.
That was just there as a joke. Cameron said as much.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:50:03 PMPlus, we are told in the film that the Queen communicates with the other aliens. She could've told the xeno to wait and use the facehugger as a backup plan. Xenos are smart creatures, as they know to cut the power, so this isn't contradicted by the film.
It still doesn't make sense that it wouldn't try and defend it's Queen. She's basically the future of the Hive. She's not gonna sacrifice herself when she has potential backup there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 04:28:24 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 30, 2016, 03:36:14 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:50:03 PMWe heard the facehugger during the end credits of Aliens.
That was just there as a joke. Cameron said as much.Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 30, 2016, 02:50:03 PMPlus, we are told in the film that the Queen communicates with the other aliens. She could've told the xeno to wait and use the facehugger as a backup plan. Xenos are smart creatures, as they know to cut the power, so this isn't contradicted by the film.
It still doesn't make sense that it wouldn't try and defend it's Queen. She's basically the future of the Hive. She's not gonna sacrifice herself when she has potential backup there.
I'm not going to make sense of motivation. But apart from that the theory is plausible. It makes more sense than any other theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 30, 2016, 06:21:09 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 30, 2016, 06:21:09 PM
The egg on the Sulaco was the "egg-morphed" body of Hudson.
You heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
Poor Hudson....almost retired...
I still think the only explanation is the Queen but even that is grasping at straws as we don't know for sure if a Queen can lay an egg without her sac or even grow a new one. AVP extinction did do that but it was merely a game mechanic for a game that isn't likely to be canon.
The Queen could have had the egg on her back...maybe.
Another explanation is A;CM and yes I know how terrible it was but in that game, the xenomorphs were brought on board the Sulaco by the Legato.
I still think the only explanation is the Queen but even that is grasping at straws as we don't know for sure if a Queen can lay an egg without her sac or even grow a new one. AVP extinction did do that but it was merely a game mechanic for a game that isn't likely to be canon.
The Queen could have had the egg on her back...maybe.
Another explanation is A;CM and yes I know how terrible it was but in that game, the xenomorphs were brought on board the Sulaco by the Legato.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jul 11, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jul 11, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
The Queen could have had the egg on her back...maybe.
How did she manage to sneak her big ass around the ship and hot glue it on the walls without any of them noticing her? ;)
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
I still think the only explanation is the Queen but even that is grasping at straws as we don't know for sure if a Queen can lay an egg without her sac or even grow a new one. AVP extinction did do that but it was merely a game mechanic for a game that isn't likely to be canon.
We don't know for sure. It's all speculation but maybe being able to squeeze out just one teeny tiny egg is part of being the perfect organism. Again, speculation; but it could be something worth exploring. To survive and maintain a hive, a queen might need at least one minion. So she could maybe produce one egg without needing her sac. Perhaps the sac just speeds up the egg-producing process so she could mass-produce eggs. This is all just imagination, sadly.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
Another explanation is A;CM and yes I know how terrible it was but in that game, the xenomorphs were brought on board the Sulaco by the Legato.
Please. >:( ::)
I think the simplest answer is that it was a plot device thoughtlessly put in Alien3 because fans are stupid, right? :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 11, 2016, 09:15:09 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 11, 2016, 09:15:09 PM
Biggest plot hole in the history of cinema.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Jul 11, 2016, 07:57:27 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 09:30:23 AM
The Queen could have had the egg on her back...maybe.
How did she manage to sneak her big ass around the ship and hot glue it on the walls without any of them noticing her? ;)
I'm just throwing things out there lol not necessarily being serious ;D Because lets face it, there is no satisfying explanation for that plot hole.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 12, 2016, 12:09:28 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 12, 2016, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PMNow there is a head scratcher. I need to watch both of those films again soon.
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jul 12, 2016, 04:05:46 AM
Post by: stephen on Jul 12, 2016, 04:05:46 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
I thought he mailed it to him, and because of civil rights etc, Lector's mail could not be searched.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 12, 2016, 07:23:36 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 12, 2016, 07:23:36 AM
Quote from: The Xenoborg on Jul 11, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
We don't know for sure. It's all speculation but maybe being able to squeeze out just one teeny tiny egg is part of being the perfect organism. Again, speculation; but it could be something worth exploring. To survive and maintain a hive, a queen might need at least one minion. So she could maybe produce one egg without needing her sac. Perhaps the sac just speeds up the egg-producing process so she could mass-produce eggs. This is all just imagination, sadly.
I've generally subscribed to some explanation along these lines. That in a crunch, the Queen is capable of squeezing out one egg without her egg sack. How it gets glued to the ceiling is a completely different question. :laugh:
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 11, 2016, 09:15:09 PM
Biggest plot hole in the history of cinema.
Definitely the worse for us.
Quote from: stephen on Jul 12, 2016, 04:05:46 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
I thought he mailed it to him, and because of civil rights etc, Lector's mail could not be searched.
Over in the UK we have Rule 49 where legal mail from solicitors and etc can't be searched.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: markweatherill on Jul 12, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
Post by: markweatherill on Jul 12, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
Quote from: markweatherill on Jun 22, 2016, 11:22:21 AM
2. Apone or one of the other cocooned marines somehow got loose and sneaked aboard, hid in a corner and eggmorphed.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jun 30, 2016, 06:21:09 PM
The egg on the Sulaco was the "egg-morphed" body of Hudson.
You heard it here first.
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 01:49:42 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 01:49:42 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
Let's not forget the poster in the Shawshank Redemption...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 02:54:11 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 02:54:11 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 01:49:42 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
Let's not forget the poster in the Shawshank Redemption...
Didn't Red get it for him?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 05:02:31 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 02:54:11 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 01:49:42 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
Let's not forget the poster in the Shawshank Redemption...
Didn't Red get it for him?
I was thinking more along the lines of how Andy reattached the poster after entering the tunnel...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 05:12:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 05:02:31 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 02:54:11 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Jul 12, 2016, 01:49:42 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2016, 09:19:29 PM
Second, after how the hell did Francis Dolarhyde get a note into Hannibal Lecter's cell in Manhunter/Red Dragon.
Let's not forget the poster in the Shawshank Redemption...
Didn't Red get it for him?
I was thinking more along the lines of how Andy reattached the poster after entering the tunnel...
Was the bottom of the poster attached to the wall or was it hanging from the top? If the latter, then gravity would presumably take care of covering the hole after he escaped.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jul 12, 2016, 06:07:42 PM
Post by: The Xenoborg on Jul 12, 2016, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 12, 2016, 07:23:36 AMQuote from: The Xenoborg on Jul 11, 2016, 07:57:27 PM
We don't know for sure. It's all speculation but maybe being able to squeeze out just one teeny tiny egg is part of being the perfect organism. Again, speculation; but it could be something worth exploring. To survive and maintain a hive, a queen might need at least one minion. So she could maybe produce one egg without needing her sac. Perhaps the sac just speeds up the egg-producing process so she could mass-produce eggs. This is all just imagination, sadly.
I've generally subscribed to some explanation along these lines. That in a crunch, the Queen is capable of squeezing out one egg without her egg sack. How it gets glued to the ceiling is a completely different question. :laugh:
I guess it's a lot more sticky and squishy since it came right out of her xeno-ass. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 12, 2016, 06:29:14 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 12, 2016, 06:29:14 PM
I don't subscribe to any theory anymore. It's a complete mystery that will never be solved. Maybe it is even supernatural.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Olde on Jul 12, 2016, 07:43:07 PM
Post by: Olde on Jul 12, 2016, 07:43:07 PM
Fox executives brought them on board.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 07:52:34 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 12, 2016, 07:52:34 PM
Quote from: Olde on Jul 12, 2016, 07:43:07 PM
Fox executives brought them on board.
That clever remark (or all the variations thereof) never gets trite.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomania on Jul 12, 2016, 09:03:27 PM
Post by: Xenomania on Jul 12, 2016, 09:03:27 PM
The Sulaco egg never bothered me, Aliens have a habit of succesfully getting where they aren't supposed to be. :P The fact that there's meant to be a single facehugger implanting two hosts is more bothersome to me TBH.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jul 13, 2016, 05:58:06 AM
Post by: stephen on Jul 13, 2016, 05:58:06 AM
The problem is the LOCATION of the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomania on Jul 13, 2016, 06:03:04 AM
Post by: Xenomania on Jul 13, 2016, 06:03:04 AM
Quote from: stephen on Jul 13, 2016, 05:58:06 AMI know. But like I said, Aliens (and eggs) have a habit of succesfully getting where they aren't supposed to be. ;)
The problem is the LOCATION of the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 07:19:04 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 07:19:04 AM
I still go by this theory.
Spoiler
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626192517/avp/images/a/a7/Royal_Facehugger.png
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture521.jpg
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture478.jpg
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 13, 2016, 07:28:28 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 13, 2016, 07:28:28 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 07:19:04 AM
I still go by this theory.Spoiler
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626192517/avp/images/a/a7/Royal_Facehugger.png
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture521.jpg
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture478.jpg
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.[close]
I still don't buy that the Queen can lay 'emergency eggs', but otherwise interesting theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 13, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 13, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
Also wouldn't the royal facehugger lay the queen?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 13, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 13, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Royal face hugger. Lol
Royale with cheese.
Invent shit to make it work after the fact.
Nope. Not buying that.
Royale with cheese.
Invent shit to make it work after the fact.
Nope. Not buying that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 13, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 13, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 13, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Royal face hugger. Lol
Royale with cheese.
Invent shit to make it work after the fact.
Nope. Not buying that.
The royal facehugger isn't really an invention made after the fact though, it may not be canon but it was created and intended for use in an alien film, It's also a staple of the EU.
Not that I ever cared for the idea or the films design of the creature. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 13, 2016, 01:44:55 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 13, 2016, 01:44:55 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 07:19:04 AMAlien 3 yet again comes up with a brilliant scheme to explain a very uneasy topic. You got my vote. I have a small detail to add...
I still go by this theory.Spoiler
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626192517/avp/images/a/a7/Royal_Facehugger.png
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture521.jpg
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture478.jpg
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.[close]
Spoiler
Let's say (for argument's sake) that the Alien Queen can not lay a fully developed egg without the egg sac. Alright? Perhaps she can still begin the process of an egg (Phase 1), kinda like the life process of an Alien:
Phase 1 - Embryo
Phase 2 - Chestburster
Phase 3 - Skin molting phase
Phase 4 - Adult/Full scale
The Royal facehugger can carry it very easily without fear of damaging itself, therefore can climb to extremely unlikely places to avoid being checked for. The egg can adapt to it's surroundings and the life cycle continues. Meanwhile, the Royal Facehugger can scout for victims for itself and the soon to be hatched facehugger. Once ready, both go on their final mission and impregnate the victims with their embryos.
A tad far fetched, but still believable. Right? :P
Phase 1 - Embryo
Phase 2 - Chestburster
Phase 3 - Skin molting phase
Phase 4 - Adult/Full scale
The Royal facehugger can carry it very easily without fear of damaging itself, therefore can climb to extremely unlikely places to avoid being checked for. The egg can adapt to it's surroundings and the life cycle continues. Meanwhile, the Royal Facehugger can scout for victims for itself and the soon to be hatched facehugger. Once ready, both go on their final mission and impregnate the victims with their embryos.
A tad far fetched, but still believable. Right? :P
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 02:37:48 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 13, 2016, 12:36:11 PM
Also wouldn't the royal facehugger lay the queen?
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 13, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Royal face hugger. Lol
Invent shit to make it work after the fact.
Nope. Not buying that.
Pfft, I just named it that for sake of argument. It still exists in film and is visibly different from ones seen previously. It must serve some purpose to look like that.
"Royale with cheese." Haha
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 13, 2016, 01:44:55 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 07:19:04 AMAlien 3 yet again comes up with a brilliant scheme to explain a very uneasy topic. You got my vote. I have a small detail to add...
I still go by this theory.Spoiler
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626192517/avp/images/a/a7/Royal_Facehugger.png
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture521.jpg
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture478.jpg
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.[close]Spoiler
Let's say (for argument's sake) that the Alien Queen can not lay a fully developed egg without the egg sac. Alright? Perhaps she can still begin the process of an egg (Phase 1), kinda like the life process of an Alien:
Phase 1 - Embryo
Phase 2 - Chestburster
Phase 3 - Skin molting phase
Phase 4 - Adult/Full scale
The Royal facehugger can carry it very easily without fear of damaging itself, therefore can climb to extremely unlikely places to avoid being checked for. The egg can adapt to it's surroundings and the life cycle continues. Meanwhile, the Royal Facehugger can scout for victims for itself and the soon to be hatched facehugger. Once ready, both go on their final mission and impregnate the victims with their embryos.
A tad far fetched, but still believable. Right? :P[close]
Cheers man! And your theory is interesting!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jul 15, 2016, 04:11:03 AM
Post by: stephen on Jul 15, 2016, 04:11:03 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 13, 2016, 07:19:04 AM
I still go by this theory.Spoiler
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626192517/avp/images/a/a7/Royal_Facehugger.png
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture521.jpg
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture478.jpg
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.[close]
Its a theory I've been saying for years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BR1XER on Jul 15, 2016, 05:27:43 AM
Post by: BR1XER on Jul 15, 2016, 05:27:43 AM
I've always wondered whether the base, or roots, of the eggs ever provided mobility, albeit very slow, at a snail's pace. Actually, perhaps the base is like a snail's foot. :o
Could explain the spatial arrangement of eggs we so often see in Alien, Aliens, etc. in locations distant from the queen's chambers. And how an 'emergency egg' laid by Aliens' Queen could gravitate to an area with more hosts.
Could explain the spatial arrangement of eggs we so often see in Alien, Aliens, etc. in locations distant from the queen's chambers. And how an 'emergency egg' laid by Aliens' Queen could gravitate to an area with more hosts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Elmazalman on Jul 15, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
Post by: Elmazalman on Jul 15, 2016, 09:04:15 PM
Quote from: Doc Dia Beetis on Jul 15, 2016, 05:27:43 AMThose thick worm-like tendrils emanating from the egg base?I remember reading somewhere that their purpose was to extract nutrient from the ground (egg carpet) to sustain itself over an indefinite period of time,keeping the facehugger within alive until a potential host made itself available.
I've always wondered whether the base, or roots, of the eggs ever provided mobility, albeit very slow, at a snail's pace. Actually, perhaps the base is like a snail's foot. :o
Could explain the spatial arrangement of eggs we so often see in Alien, Aliens, etc. in locations distant from the queen's chambers. And how an 'emergency egg' laid by Aliens' Queen could gravitate to an area with more hosts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 16, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 16, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
I read a really interesting piece that says the Facehugger isn't actually alive at all while the Egg's inactive. Only when it detects a host does the Egg transfer all of it's remaining bio-electrical energy to the Facehugger, thereby sacrificing itself to bring its occupant to life at that point.
Would help explain how they apparently survived so long inside the derelict.
Would help explain how they apparently survived so long inside the derelict.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 16, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 16, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 16, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
Would help explain how they apparently survived so long inside the derelict.
Weren't the eggs held in stasis by that blue laser in the derelict? And when Kane entered the egg silo, it got interrupted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2016, 08:42:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2016, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 16, 2016, 11:19:07 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 16, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
Would help explain how they apparently survived so long inside the derelict.
Weren't the eggs held in stasis by that blue laser in the derelict? And when Kane entered the egg silo, it got interrupted.
I've always believed that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Jul 18, 2016, 01:54:03 AM
Post by: stephen on Jul 18, 2016, 01:54:03 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2016, 08:42:30 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Jul 16, 2016, 11:19:07 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 16, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
Would help explain how they apparently survived so long inside the derelict.
Weren't the eggs held in stasis by that blue laser in the derelict? And when Kane entered the egg silo, it got interrupted.
I've always believed that.
Likewise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 18, 2016, 03:11:44 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 18, 2016, 03:11:44 AM
I think Bishop did it. Perhaps he didn't intend for the eggs to get loose, but he had conflicting directives which could have fried his brain a little. Burke told him to bring the specimens back. Dip let told him to destroy them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
I hate the Bishop-did-it idea. It completely undermines his character arc in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 18, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 18, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
The only reason the idea of Bishop planting the eggs on the Sulaco exists is because of the ill-conceived premise of Alien 3. The best solution is to erase Alien 3 from canon and then the egg question becomes a moot point. As it should.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jul 18, 2016, 02:19:41 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jul 18, 2016, 02:19:41 PM
Let's not open that can of worms here. :P
And the Bishop theory only makes the situation even more implausible.
And the Bishop theory only makes the situation even more implausible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 05:11:08 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 18, 2016, 11:19:44 AMThe best solution is to erase Alien 3 from canon and then the egg question becomes a moot point.
That's not the "best solution". That's the "fanboys hate the third film" solution.
But as Kelgaard says, can of worms...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 18, 2016, 11:46:20 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 18, 2016, 11:46:20 PM
I still think Bishop did it.
Notice the drop ship comes up from where Ripley and the eggs were....
He's a sneaky ass droid. Programmed by the company.
At 0:40
Notice the drop ship comes up from where Ripley and the eggs were....
He's a sneaky ass droid. Programmed by the company.
At 0:40
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2016, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2016, 12:23:00 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 05:11:08 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 18, 2016, 11:19:44 AMThe best solution is to erase Alien 3 from canon and then the egg question becomes a moot point.
That's not the "best solution". That's the "fanboys hate the third film" solution.
But as Kelgaard says, can of worms...
Spoken like a true Alien 3 fanboy. ;)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
I hate the Bishop-did-it idea. It completely undermines his character arc in the film.
I don't think it undermines it. Rather it enriches it. I appreciate that you see Bishop as more or less a Disney character, but there is at least the potential of there being a lot more to this character.
I am not proposing a black and white treatment of Bishop, where he is either good or bad. Rather he could be treated much more "grey-scale" and ambiguous. As I mentioned before, he does have conflicting instructions. There is a very valid reason to collect specimens. If he truly wants to keep humanity safe, then he can do that the best way through researching the aliens. Hence bringing back some eggs makes sense, and it is not evil. But he also recognizes the risks so he tries to keep them away from Ripley, Hicks and Newt. In this way, he follows the orders of Ripley and Burke.
But, in truth, I still prefer the solution of removing Alien 3 from Canon. It's just a convoluted and contrived film that did more harm than good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2016, 01:05:11 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2016, 01:05:11 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
I hate the Bishop-did-it idea. It completely undermines his character arc in the film.
Yeah, it's a dumb theory that only nitwits believe since Bishop never had a plausible opportunity to go off searching for eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2016, 01:24:46 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2016, 01:24:46 AM
He set the drop ship down in the egg level. Pick one up.
Then flew back up and got Ripley Newt and the Queen just in time!
But then again. I don't like Alien 3 because they killed off two of my fav Characters.
C'est la vie.
Then flew back up and got Ripley Newt and the Queen just in time!
But then again. I don't like Alien 3 because they killed off two of my fav Characters.
C'est la vie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Jul 19, 2016, 02:09:45 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jul 19, 2016, 02:09:45 AM
It's one of the reasons I like it. 'ALIEN 3' depicts a cold, heartless and uncaring Universe where human beings are fragile and easily disposed of.
It's a core theme in the whole series. Shit, Man. Parker was my favourite character... we should have him retconned back into the series. Along with everyone else who died an 'unfair death'.
By the way, yes. The egg(s) on board the Sulaco can be explained. You have all the pieces right in front of you - you just haven't put together properly yet. ;D
-Windebieste.
It's a core theme in the whole series. Shit, Man. Parker was my favourite character... we should have him retconned back into the series. Along with everyone else who died an 'unfair death'.
By the way, yes. The egg(s) on board the Sulaco can be explained. You have all the pieces right in front of you - you just haven't put together properly yet. ;D
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 09:38:03 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 09:38:03 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2016, 01:24:46 AMHe set the drop ship down in the egg level. Pick one up.
If there was somewhere to land down there, he would've dropped Ripley off down there. They know Newt is going to be in the Hive somewhere, so why wouldn't he get her closer if it was an option?
They set down on the only landing pat there was.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2016, 12:23:00 AMI don't think it undermines it.
It does. The entire point of his character in the film is to have Ripley start out prejudiced against and mistrustful of him (thanks to Ash), only to have him prove himself to her over the course of the movie and have her eventually develop trust towards him.
If he's actually some evil company machine getting her impregnated with Aliens, even against his own will, it undermines all that.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2016, 12:23:00 AMSpoken like a true Alien 3 fanboy. ;)
I was referring to the insinuation that writing off the third film is the "best solution" going forward.
There are a hundred other solutions, many of them arguably better and certainly far less divisive. People who keep saying scrapping film three is the only/best answer (to a problem that doesn't even really exist) just sound like narrow-minded Hix n' Noot nerds (regardless of whether they actually are or not). Maybe a retcon would be good, but maybe it would be total cack and just mess everything up. Claiming it's the outright best solution is pretty ignorant, especially as nothing's been made yet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 19, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 19, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 09:38:03 AMI would bet on the latter.
Maybe a retcon would be good, but maybe it would be total cack and just mess everything up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2016, 11:53:51 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2016, 11:53:51 AM
A:CM is the bible.
It explains it perfectly.
Oy vey.
I liked his character arc, He's unscrupulous.
His maker, Bishop 2...if you think he is human...tried to coerce Ripley to not kill herself to save the Alien.
Bad programming. lol
It explains it perfectly.
Oy vey.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 19, 2016, 09:38:03 AMQuote from: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2016, 01:24:46 AMHe set the drop ship down in the egg level. Pick one up.
If there was somewhere to land down there, he would've dropped Ripley off down there. They know Newt is going to be in the Hive somewhere, so why wouldn't he get her closer if it was an option?
They set down on the only landing pat there was.Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2016, 12:23:00 AMI don't think it undermines it.
It does. The entire point of his character in the film is to have Ripley start out prejudiced against and mistrustful of him (thanks to Ash), only to have him prove himself to her over the course of the movie and have her eventually develop trust towards him.
If he's actually some evil company machine getting her impregnated with Aliens, even against his own will, it undermines all that.Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 19, 2016, 12:23:00 AMSpoken like a true Alien 3 fanboy. ;)
I was referring to the insinuation that writing off the third film is the "best solution" going forward.
There are a hundred other solutions, many of them arguably better and certainly far less divisive. People who keep saying scrapping film three is the only/best answer (to a problem that doesn't even really exist) just sound like narrow-minded Hix n' Noot nerds (regardless of whether they actually are or not). Maybe a retcon would be good, but maybe it would be total cack and just mess everything up. Claiming it's the outright best solution is pretty ignorant, especially as nothing's been made yet.
I liked his character arc, He's unscrupulous.
His maker, Bishop 2...if you think he is human...tried to coerce Ripley to not kill herself to save the Alien.
Bad programming. lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: mez86 on Jul 21, 2016, 10:01:16 PM
Post by: mez86 on Jul 21, 2016, 10:01:16 PM
Couldn't the Egg been placed on the sulaco half way through the film before the drop ship returns to the bases to pick the crew up after the hive ambush.
Also the first time I watched alien 3 was on Channel 4 scify nights and their version of alien 3 had a alien and facehugger in the cryo room before the firestarts. So a alien could have snuck aboard the ship and was their to protect the egg until the next host came along.
Also the first time I watched alien 3 was on Channel 4 scify nights and their version of alien 3 had a alien and facehugger in the cryo room before the firestarts. So a alien could have snuck aboard the ship and was their to protect the egg until the next host came along.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2016, 10:30:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2016, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: mez86 on Jul 21, 2016, 10:01:16 PM
Couldn't the Egg been placed on the sulaco half way through the film before the drop ship returns to the bases to pick the crew up after the hive ambush.
You mean by Ferro and Spunkmeyer? Assuming they were traitors and working for Burke, where did they get the egg from?
Also, wouldn't it have taken the dropship quite a while to return to the Sulaco and then to the surface in time to be there when Hicks requested the evac, all without Gorman and the others knowing about it? Or was Gorman in on it too?
Just how many traitors would this conspiracy have needed?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: mez86 on Jul 21, 2016, 10:47:16 PM
Post by: mez86 on Jul 21, 2016, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2016, 10:30:08 PMMy memoir was fuzzy I thought the drop ship had returned to the sulaco but after I rewatched that scene I see that the ship remained on the planetQuote from: mez86 on Jul 21, 2016, 10:01:16 PM
Couldn't the Egg been placed on the sulaco half way through the film before the drop ship returns to the bases to pick the crew up after the hive ambush.
You mean by Ferro and Spunkmeyer? Assuming they were traitors and working for Burke, where did they get the egg from?
Also, wouldn't it have taken the dropship quite a while to return to the Sulaco and then to the surface in time to be there when Hicks requested the evac, all without Gorman and the others knowing about it? Or was Gorman in on it too?
Just how many traitors would this conspiracy have needed?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 21, 2016, 10:50:39 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 21, 2016, 10:50:39 PM
Alien 3 gets a lot of shit for this.
But don't forgot, the scuttling facehugger sound after the credits of Aliens. :-*
But don't forgot, the scuttling facehugger sound after the credits of Aliens. :-*
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 21, 2016, 10:50:39 PM
Alien 3 gets a lot of shit for this.
But don't forgot, the scuttling facehugger sound after the credits of Aliens. :-*
A facehugger is more easily explained than an egg. Alien 3 did that, not Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 21, 2016, 11:00:05 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 21, 2016, 11:00:05 PM
But what came first?
The facehugger or the egg?
The facehugger or the egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2016, 12:10:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2016, 12:10:57 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jul 21, 2016, 11:00:05 PM
But what came first?
The facehugger or the egg?
The black ooze.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 22, 2016, 02:28:18 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jul 22, 2016, 02:28:18 AM
Touché.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 22, 2016, 02:31:11 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 22, 2016, 02:31:11 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2016, 12:10:57 AMQuote from: Alien³ on Jul 21, 2016, 11:00:05 PM
But what came first?
The facehugger or the egg?
The black ooze.
Jeezus. It gets worse. Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: comicsupreme on Jul 24, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
Post by: comicsupreme on Jul 24, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
It would have probably been the Queen laying an emergency egg or the writers could not think of a plausible explanation as to why the egg was there ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 24, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 24, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
Imagine the opening sequence was like this:
Shot one: Outside of Sulaco drifting in space
Shot two: Loading dock, zooming to dropship
shot montage:
- Queen sits inside of loading gears, lays egg, places it deep inside of gears, unseen to eyes, which blends in with wires, etc.
- Quick rundown of Queen ripping Bishop, Newt search, powerloader battle, Queen discarded into space vacuum
Shot four: Egg opens, Royal facehugger emerges.
Continuation of Alien3 opening (only with Royal facehugger in scenes)
I hope y'all are happy. :P
Shot one: Outside of Sulaco drifting in space
Shot two: Loading dock, zooming to dropship
shot montage:
- Queen sits inside of loading gears, lays egg, places it deep inside of gears, unseen to eyes, which blends in with wires, etc.
- Quick rundown of Queen ripping Bishop, Newt search, powerloader battle, Queen discarded into space vacuum
Shot four: Egg opens, Royal facehugger emerges.
Continuation of Alien3 opening (only with Royal facehugger in scenes)
I hope y'all are happy. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 08:09:44 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 08:09:44 AM
You don't even need to add something about the Queen laying another Egg. Just show a lone Facehugger scuttling out of the dropship amid the confusion and running off to hide.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2016, 08:19:12 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2016, 08:19:12 AM
That's the way I'd fix it. But it does beg the question of why the hugger wouldn't come and get involved to try and take Newt. Only way I could handwave it would be the Queen tells it not to get involved until it has all calmed down.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 08:09:44 AMAye, that would work!
You don't even need to add something about the Queen laying another Egg. Just show a lone Facehugger scuttling out of the dropship amid the confusion and running off to hide.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 25, 2016, 08:19:12 AMThat would work as well!
That's the way I'd fix it. But it does beg the question of why the hugger wouldn't come and get involved to try and take Newt. Only way I could handwave it would be the Queen tells it not to get involved until it has all calmed down.
I was mainly blabbering about if there had to be an egg, that's my theory on how to fix the opening.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 25, 2016, 01:05:39 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 25, 2016, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 08:09:44 AM
You don't even need to add something about the Queen laying another Egg. Just show a lone Facehugger scuttling out of the dropship amid the confusion and running off to hide.
But the egg was shown in the film. That's not offering an explanation. It's actually changing the film. Also, there must have been 2 eggs / facehuggers to accommodate the 2 aliens in the film, unless we go with that lame twin-spore facehugger idea. Having 2 lone facehuggers on the dropship would have been totally credible, but alas, the egg...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 25, 2016, 01:05:39 PMBut the egg was shown in the film. That's not offering an explanation.
It would be in lieu of the egg, obviously.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 25, 2016, 01:05:39 PMAlso, there must have been 2 eggs / facehuggers to accommodate the 2 aliens in the film, unless we go with that lame twin-spore facehugger idea. Having 2 lone facehuggers on the dropship would have been totally credible, but alas, the egg...
I like the multi-embryo Royal Facehugger idea. Too bad they scrapped it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 01:55:27 PM
I like the multi-embryo Royal Facehugger idea. Too bad they scrapped it.
How did they scrap it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 03:21:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2016, 03:21:18 PM
Well, I guess it could be argued that as a concept they didn't, but I was referring specifically to the Royal Facehugger they originally designed for the movie but which is now relegated to the Assembly Cut.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
Relax. Alien 3 was all a bad dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2016, 10:49:51 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2016, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2016, 04:03:33 PM::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Relax. Alien 3 was all a bad dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 25, 2016, 11:02:07 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 25, 2016, 11:02:07 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2016, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2016, 04:03:33 PM::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Relax. Alien 3 was all a bad dream.
We will never all see eye to eye on this. That's ok.
But it was a bad dream!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Primordial on Jul 27, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: Primordial on Jul 27, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Lately, I was thinking about a possibility for the egg. Since the alien seem capable of regenerating itself, it would be interesting if the Queen could cut of one of her limb and make it 'auto-eggmorph' while the cut-off limb regenerates. It could explain why this resulting facehugger lays directly a Queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 27, 2016, 09:15:53 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 27, 2016, 09:15:53 PM
That's kinda similar to what Gibson had in mind at the start of his script, where she deposited some spores inside Bishop that then developed into a full-grown egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 27, 2016, 11:36:03 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 27, 2016, 11:36:03 PM
Egg morphing is just lame!!!!!
Stop the insanity!!!!
Mighty Morphing Power Spores!!
It's a cop out. That's all it is.
Kill the expensive characters and make shit up to get an alien in the movie with the Oscar nominated star.
Stop the insanity!!!!
Mighty Morphing Power Spores!!
It's a cop out. That's all it is.
Kill the expensive characters and make shit up to get an alien in the movie with the Oscar nominated star.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 28, 2016, 02:18:32 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 28, 2016, 02:18:32 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 27, 2016, 11:36:03 PMQuite the contrary. I would be fascinated to see it unfold, as I imagine many of us on here would also.
Egg morphing is just lame!!!!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 28, 2016, 02:37:12 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 28, 2016, 02:37:12 AM
It's not actually egg morphing, anyway, aka turning a human (or life form) into an egg. The human is just food for the egg, like yolk.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 28, 2016, 04:07:58 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 28, 2016, 04:07:58 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 28, 2016, 02:37:12 AM
It's not actually egg morphing, anyway, aka turning a human (or life form) into an egg. The human is just food for the egg, like yolk.
Hmmm, no, I actually do believe the human turns into an egg...
Speaking of egg-morphing, I suspect that we will see ampules morphing into eggs. I called it here. (unless somebody called the obvious before me)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AM
Post by: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 27, 2016, 09:15:53 PM
That's kinda similar to what Gibson had in mind at the start of his script, where she deposited some spores inside Bishop that then developed into a full-grown egg.
I wasn't aware of that. It reminds me that I had written (in a poor manner :D) in this same thread years ago about Bishop's legs getting 'eggmorphed'. I remember having checked out if we saw those legs when Ripley was searching for the android's remains. It seemed feasible. Of course the location of the egg would remain a problem.
Anyway, I think I prefer the 'auto-eggmorphed limb' than the emergency egg layed without the egg sac. This theory includes the formidable ability of the alien regenerating fast.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 28, 2016, 08:39:30 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 28, 2016, 08:39:30 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 28, 2016, 04:07:58 AMQuote from: Scorpio on Jul 28, 2016, 02:37:12 AM
It's not actually egg morphing, anyway, aka turning a human (or life form) into an egg. The human is just food for the egg, like yolk.
Hmmm, no, I actually do believe the human turns into an egg...
Someone from the production said this, so I believe that was the intention.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2016, 09:27:32 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2016, 09:27:32 AM
Quote from: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AMI wasn't aware of that. It reminds me that I had written (in a poor manner :D) in this same thread years ago about Bishop's legs getting 'eggmorphed'. I remember having checked out if we saw those legs when Ripley was searching for the android's remains.
Technically, Bishop's legs would've gone the way of the Queen... Hard to grab a hold against decompression when you're a pair of severed legs :P
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 28, 2016, 04:07:58 AMHmmm, no, I actually do believe the human turns into an egg...
Pretty sure Ridley's said several times the body is just a food source for the developing egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 28, 2016, 09:39:54 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 28, 2016, 09:39:54 AM
>2016
>Egg on Sulaco discussion still active
>mfw
>Egg on Sulaco discussion still active
>mfw
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Jul 28, 2016, 10:08:11 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jul 28, 2016, 10:08:11 AM
>2016
>Retcon 'ALIEN 3' discussion still active
>mfw
-Windebieste.
>Retcon 'ALIEN 3' discussion still active
>mfw
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 28, 2016, 10:55:13 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jul 28, 2016, 10:55:13 AM
I feel you winde
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Jul 28, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jul 28, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
Just be careful what you touch. I don't want anything broken!
:D
-Windebieste.
:D
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 28, 2016, 08:05:49 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 28, 2016, 08:05:49 PM
Planet of the Apes Meme.
https://youtu.be/mtCCbu-6crA (https://youtu.be/mtCCbu-6crA)
https://youtu.be/mtCCbu-6crA (https://youtu.be/mtCCbu-6crA)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2016, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AMI wasn't aware of that. It reminds me that I had written (in a poor manner :D) in this same thread years ago about Bishop's legs getting 'eggmorphed'. I remember having checked out if we saw those legs when Ripley was searching for the android's remains. It seemed feasible. Of course the location of the egg would remain a problem.
My ooze theory explains the location of the egg. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1861003#msg1861003)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 09:49:24 PM
Post by: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 09:49:24 PM
Thanks, I had a re-read of some part of the thread today, you also wrote it on p32-33 and it is the best imo to explain the location :). The Hangar Subflooring rather than the Dropship. My Queen limb theory would more suit the latter.
Well yeah, it is the most logical explanation ! But it didn't appear on screen, that is why back then I tried to theorize that the Queen not only deposited the material for the egg but also some sticky matter which could possiby explain the egg glued above the floor and that this matter was strong enough to make Bishop's infected legs overcome the decompression.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2016, 09:27:32 AM
Technically, Bishop's legs would've gone the way of the Queen... Hard to grab a hold against decompression when you're a pair of severed legs :P
Well yeah, it is the most logical explanation ! But it didn't appear on screen, that is why back then I tried to theorize that the Queen not only deposited the material for the egg but also some sticky matter which could possiby explain the egg glued above the floor and that this matter was strong enough to make Bishop's infected legs overcome the decompression.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 29, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 29, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2016, 08:50:46 PMFurther proof why LocalTrouble is one of AVPG's most intelligent, valued members. :)Quote from: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AMI wasn't aware of that. It reminds me that I had written (in a poor manner :D) in this same thread years ago about Bishop's legs getting 'eggmorphed'. I remember having checked out if we saw those legs when Ripley was searching for the android's remains. It seemed feasible. Of course the location of the egg would remain a problem.
My ooze theory explains the location of the egg. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1861003#msg1861003)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 12:09:23 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 12:09:23 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 29, 2016, 12:04:14 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2016, 08:50:46 PMQuote from: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AMI wasn't aware of that. It reminds me that I had written (in a poor manner :D) in this same thread years ago about Bishop's legs getting 'eggmorphed'. I remember having checked out if we saw those legs when Ripley was searching for the android's remains. It seemed feasible. Of course the location of the egg would remain a problem.
My ooze theory explains the location of the egg. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1861003#msg1861003)
Further proof why LocalTrouble is one of AVPG's most intelligent, valued members. :)
That's news to me, but thanks. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 29, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 29, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 29, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
Further proof why LocalTrouble is one of AVPG's most intelligent, valued members. :)
You've got him mixed-up with someone else dude. He's just one of the local troublemakers around here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 29, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Jul 29, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2016, 08:50:46 PMQuote from: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AMI wasn't aware of that. It reminds me that I had written (in a poor manner :D) in this same thread years ago about Bishop's legs getting 'eggmorphed'. I remember having checked out if we saw those legs when Ripley was searching for the android's remains. It seemed feasible. Of course the location of the egg would remain a problem.
My ooze theory explains the location of the egg. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1861003#msg1861003)
My favourite theory so far. And fits with the black goo in Prometheus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 08:33:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 08:33:44 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 29, 2016, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 29, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
Further proof why LocalTrouble is one of AVPG's most intelligent, valued members. :)
You've got him mixed-up with someone else dude. He's just one of the local troublemakers around here.
Speaking of SM, now that his posts are few and far between they seem even more profound than ever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 29, 2016, 08:38:52 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 29, 2016, 08:38:52 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 08:33:44 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 29, 2016, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 29, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
Further proof why LocalTrouble is one of AVPG's most intelligent, valued members. :)
You've got him mixed-up with someone else dude. He's just one of the local troublemakers around here.
Speaking of SM, now that his posts are few and far between they seem even more profound than ever.
I find your deification of SM most disturbing :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 09:04:16 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 29, 2016, 08:38:52 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 08:33:44 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 29, 2016, 03:45:36 PMQuote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 29, 2016, 12:04:14 AM
Further proof why LocalTrouble is one of AVPG's most intelligent, valued members. :)
You've got him mixed-up with someone else dude. He's just one of the local troublemakers around here.
Speaking of SM, now that his posts are few and far between they seem even more profound than ever.
I find your deification of SM most disturbing :P
I hope, one day, you have your road to Damascus moment.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 29, 2016, 04:57:35 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 28, 2016, 08:50:46 PMQuote from: Primordial on Jul 28, 2016, 06:37:09 AMI wasn't aware of that. It reminds me that I had written (in a poor manner :D) in this same thread years ago about Bishop's legs getting 'eggmorphed'. I remember having checked out if we saw those legs when Ripley was searching for the android's remains. It seemed feasible. Of course the location of the egg would remain a problem.
My ooze theory explains the location of the egg. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1861003#msg1861003)
My favourite theory so far. And fits with the black goo in Prometheus.
The idea is that the queen was leaking globules of proto-eggs from where she tore off her egg sac. One of them oozed out onto the floor of the hangar bay, but it was tiny and camouflaged by viscous slime so even if Ripley had seen it, she wouldn't have guessed that it would have grown into an egg.
We can optionally speculate that it absorbed Bishop's legs to achieve sufficient mass, but I don't think it's necessary. Since they don't appear to eat their hosts, I've long believed that the aliens are capable of nourishing themselves with inorganic material. That being the case, it's possible that the egg was able to grow directly out of the floor.
Being a silicon-based biomechanoid has its advantages.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
If that's the case, why would the queen need to grow an egg sac at all? It seems inefficient. Why not just sprinkle a few globules here and there and be done with it?
But the notion that the aliens don't seem to eat people seems to be largely true. They must eat something though. Otherwise why have a mouth, with such teeth? Perhaps the evolutionary rationale does not apply if they were designed to be weapons...
There is no explanation that works 100% perfectly. Alien 3 is an amazing film that works best when you just suspend disbelief.
But the notion that the aliens don't seem to eat people seems to be largely true. They must eat something though. Otherwise why have a mouth, with such teeth? Perhaps the evolutionary rationale does not apply if they were designed to be weapons...
There is no explanation that works 100% perfectly. Alien 3 is an amazing film that works best when you just suspend disbelief.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 10:56:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2016, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2016, 10:45:34 PMIf that's the case, why would the queen need to grow an egg sac at all? It seems inefficient. Why not just sprinkle a few globules here and there and be done with it?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2016, 03:02:44 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 09, 2014, 01:14:46 AMQuote from: Xenomorphine on May 09, 2014, 12:48:29 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on May 08, 2014, 06:30:23 PM
No, the one about the queen oozing out a glob of goo that congealed in the subflooring of the hangar bay and then grew into the egg we saw.
Again, if she can do that, why does she naturally grow an egg sack? There'd be no point in it even existing.Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:41:51 AM
Well, the egg sac would allow for the rapid production of fully functional eggs. This method would be much slower. Theoretically, a soldier alien could produce eggs the same way.Quote from: Kimarhi on May 09, 2014, 12:54:30 AM
unless it lets her rapidly produce eggs whereas not having one wouldn't.
:D
:D
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 01, 2016, 03:27:08 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 01, 2016, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
If that's the case, why would the queen need to grow an egg sac at all? It seems inefficient. Why not just sprinkle a few globules here and there and be done with it?
We already know that a regular drone alien can make eggs without a queen but it needs hosts for the egg. The Queen maybe can just produce eggs more efficiently, but needs to build a giant ovipositor rendering it immobile and otherwise useless. I don't think it's an egg sac, though, as an egg sac is basically used to hold dozens of eggs (like a spider does) and protect them from damage.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 01, 2016, 03:27:08 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
If that's the case, why would the queen need to grow an egg sac at all? It seems inefficient. Why not just sprinkle a few globules here and there and be done with it?
We already know that a regular drone alien can make eggs without a queen but it needs hosts for the egg. The Queen maybe can just produce eggs more efficiently, but needs to build a giant ovipositor rendering it immobile and otherwise useless. I don't think it's an egg sac, though, as an egg sac is basically used to hold dozens of eggs (like a spider does) and protect them from damage.
Do we really know that? I thought the original Alien film was the official one, not the one with egg-morphing..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2016, 07:37:05 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2016, 07:37:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 01:47:36 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 01, 2016, 03:27:08 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
If that's the case, why would the queen need to grow an egg sac at all? It seems inefficient. Why not just sprinkle a few globules here and there and be done with it?
We already know that a regular drone alien can make eggs without a queen but it needs hosts for the egg. The Queen maybe can just produce eggs more efficiently, but needs to build a giant ovipositor rendering it immobile and otherwise useless. I don't think it's an egg sac, though, as an egg sac is basically used to hold dozens of eggs (like a spider does) and protect them from damage.
Do we really know that? I thought the original Alien film was the official one, not the one with egg-morphing..
It's a theory based on established concepts. My ooze theory is no better.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 17, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 17, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 02, 2016, 01:47:36 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 01, 2016, 03:27:08 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 29, 2016, 10:45:34 PM
If that's the case, why would the queen need to grow an egg sac at all? It seems inefficient. Why not just sprinkle a few globules here and there and be done with it?
We already know that a regular drone alien can make eggs without a queen but it needs hosts for the egg. The Queen maybe can just produce eggs more efficiently, but needs to build a giant ovipositor rendering it immobile and otherwise useless. I don't think it's an egg sac, though, as an egg sac is basically used to hold dozens of eggs (like a spider does) and protect them from damage.
Do we really know that? I thought the original Alien film was the official one, not the one with egg-morphing..
Well the Egg on the Sulaco was on both Versions of Alien 3. And i'm sure the Assembly cut was one of the earlier cuts made before the Theatrical cut. (Hense i consider the Assembly cut to be the films canon version) Now Considering the Queen Facehugger and the Egg on the Sulaco. Maybe The Queen can Secrete material needed for a bare minimum of 1 egg?
And i also include the Directors cut of alien wit the Egg Morphing to be the canonical version so i have to take that into account with my theory. But The Queen didn't kill anybody to make an egg up? Unless there was a Drone on board the Sulaco?
Or maybe we're just looking at it wrong.. The Scuttling sound at the end of Aliens, right after they have gone into Cryo-sleep post credit. Which means there's already something moving around on the ship (Which is a scary idea lol) which is Probably a Facehugger? So again let's just forget about the Egg being there which is a plot-hole in itself. And go with another theory.
So lets go with another theory.. Lets just throw the egg out completely. And assume there isn't an egg (A mistake on the film makers part) And there's only the Queen Facehugger? (Hense the Scuttling) which got dropped off by the Queen herself at some point and waited in hiding until the moment to Face hug? That makes more sense.
To be honest, Regarding the Egg in the opening on Alien 3. They f**ked up simple as. It's a Glaring plot-hole one which has no explanation at all. The Alien Life-cycle up to that point doesn't Explain the egg being there. There's no realistic Time-slot or placement for it. None of the Crew could have placed it, neither could an Alien. IT was just there for the sake of being there.
Literally the only explanation for it is that the Queen Carried it with her on her back or something and then placed it down while she was hiding.
We just need to take the Egg out of the Equation here and things start to make more sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 17, 2016, 01:50:15 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 17, 2016, 01:50:15 PM
But it's impossible to take the egg out of the equation because it is in the film, mistake or not.
It is also important to remember that there are 2 aliens in alien 3; the acid-spitter dog-alien, and also the queen inside Ripley. So either there were 2 eggs, or an egg along with a live facehugger that made the skittering sound at the end of the film, or the queen egg is capable of laying 2 facehuggers.
Regardless, there are only 2 possibilities for an egg getting on the Sulaco. Either the Queen brought in on board, or Bishop.
It is also important to remember that there are 2 aliens in alien 3; the acid-spitter dog-alien, and also the queen inside Ripley. So either there were 2 eggs, or an egg along with a live facehugger that made the skittering sound at the end of the film, or the queen egg is capable of laying 2 facehuggers.
Regardless, there are only 2 possibilities for an egg getting on the Sulaco. Either the Queen brought in on board, or Bishop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 17, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 17, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 17, 2016, 01:50:15 PMRegardless, there are only 2 possibilities for an egg getting on the Sulaco. Either the Queen brought in on board, or Bishop.
One way or another, the queen brought it on board. Bishop isn't even an option.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 17, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 17, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 17, 2016, 01:50:15 PM
But it's impossible to take the egg out of the equation because it is in the film, mistake or not.
It is also important to remember that there are 2 aliens in alien 3; the acid-spitter dog-alien, and also the queen inside Ripley. So either there were 2 eggs, or an egg along with a live facehugger that made the skittering sound at the end of the film, or the queen egg is capable of laying 2 facehuggers.
Regardless, there are only 2 possibilities for an egg getting on the Sulaco. Either the Queen brought in on board, or Bishop.
Pretty sure there's only one face-hugger in Alien 3. Which is the Queen Face-hugger which is capable of planting 2 embryos. Bishop bringing back an Egg by somehow getting to the nest before Ripley is unrealistic and unlikely considering his character, and besides if he brought back the egg he could have saved newt before Ripley. And Bishop directly said he can't directly harm or do actions that would cause harm to humans. Bringing back an Egg to harm the crew would negate his entire Behavior chip Androids now have.
The egg on the Sulaco is just a un-explained Plot-hole leftover from a movie that was in development hell,so because of that, The egg can never be truely explained, simply because there isn't a logical reason for it being there. And it's why nobody can come up with a definitive or logical reason.
That's why i said in order to explain how the facehuggers got onto the Sulaco realistically we need to remove the Egg out of the equation completely and start looking at it from a different perspective. There's nothing to say 2 Face-huggers could have stalked Ripley from the Hive at some point. and sneaked onto the Drop-ship and simply waited for the perfect time to begin what they do best.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2016, 12:45:44 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2016, 12:45:44 AM
All Bishops in the series are androids.
They all lie.
He brought it on board
They all lie.
He brought it on board
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 18, 2016, 12:54:26 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 18, 2016, 12:54:26 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 17, 2016, 02:28:17 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 17, 2016, 01:50:15 PMRegardless, there are only 2 possibilities for an egg getting on the Sulaco. Either the Queen brought in on board, or Bishop.
One way or another, the queen brought it on board. Bishop isn't even an option.
I don't see why it isn't an option. He spent a lot of alone time crawling through the duct system and then out walking to the uplink tower. He could have taken a quick detour to pick up an egg. Secondly, he was hanging out by himself in a dropship at the end after he conveniently sedated Hicks. He could have stepped out to pick up some groceries. Platform was becoming too unstable my ass...
Bishop received conflicting instructions. That is a fact. He was told to secure the eggs by Burke, and he was told to destroy them by Ripley. Whose instructions to follow? Also, Bishop seems to operate on the 3 principles of robotics as follows:
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law
We all know how well that turned out in I Robot. What if Bishop thought that by securing the eggs, he was assuring the safety of the human race by allowing humans to study the aliens? Probable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2016, 01:04:22 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2016, 01:04:22 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2016, 01:05:11 AM
Yeah, it's a dumb theory that only nitwits believe since Bishop never had a plausible opportunity to go off searching for eggs.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2016, 02:35:35 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2016, 02:35:35 AM
He descended the drop ship and picked a few fresh ones.
Then came back up just in time to snag Ripley and Newt on the ledge.
Pretty obvious.
Then came back up just in time to snag Ripley and Newt on the ledge.
Pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2016, 03:01:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2016, 03:01:58 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2016, 02:35:35 AM
He descended the drop ship and picked a few fresh ones.
Then came back up just in time to snag Ripley and Newt on the ledge.
Pretty obvious.
You're one in Vermillion and don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 18, 2016, 03:06:59 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 18, 2016, 03:06:59 AM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 18, 2016, 05:29:54 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 18, 2016, 05:29:54 AM
Bishop actually brought 3 eggs on board the dropship just after he finished crawling through the tubes, but he then made an omelette while hovering and waiting for Ripley and Newt, so that is why there were only 2 eggs on the Sulaco.. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 18, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 18, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 18, 2016, 05:29:54 AM
Bishop actually brought 3 eggs on board the dropship just after he finished crawling through the tubes, but he then made an omelette while hovering and waiting for Ripley and Newt, so that is why there were only 2 eggs on the Sulaco.. :D
Best post here..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 18, 2016, 11:14:51 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 18, 2016, 11:14:51 PM
"Bishop got the egg" is the new "Bishop II was an android"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2016, 11:46:01 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2016, 11:46:01 PM
All bishops are droids.
He got the egg.
On company orders.
Mr Burke was quite specific.
Like tesla auto pilot cars. Humans are cargo. They're expendable.
Long live the Company!
He got the egg.
On company orders.
Mr Burke was quite specific.
Like tesla auto pilot cars. Humans are cargo. They're expendable.
Long live the Company!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 01:32:12 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 01:32:12 AM
"I say we grease this rat-f**k son of a Vermillion right now."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 19, 2016, 01:39:34 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 19, 2016, 01:39:34 AM
"This theory doesn't make any god damned sense..."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 01:48:16 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 01:48:16 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:02:28 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:02:28 AM
A gift for Fiorina :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 02:05:33 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 02:05:33 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:02:28 AM
A gift for Fiorina :laugh:
https://i.imgflip.com/195pps.jpg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:08:56 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:08:56 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 19, 2016, 02:10:13 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 19, 2016, 02:10:13 AM
Hhahahaha
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:13:19 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:13:19 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 02:05:33 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N3N2QRcNG8/T5tVaHNpgOI/AAAAAAAADGU/1WvLvfta7iU/s1600/Aliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 02:18:52 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 02:18:52 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:08:56 AM
No more bullshit!
Have to admit, I'd rather do this than discuss lunacy theories about the mystery egg and Bishop. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 19, 2016, 02:20:14 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 19, 2016, 02:20:14 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 19, 2016, 02:13:19 AMQuote from: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 02:05:33 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2N3N2QRcNG8/T5tVaHNpgOI/AAAAAAAADGU/1WvLvfta7iU/s1600/Aliens-Newt-gives-thumbs-up.png
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2016, 11:17:02 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2016, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 19, 2016, 01:48:16 AM
http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/485794506197835776/yoirDZd4.jpeg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2016, 12:23:11 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2016, 12:23:11 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2016, 12:24:53 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2016, 12:24:53 PM
You slack jawed Blind mofos just like to believe what you don't understand.
-Harry Houdini
-Harry Houdini
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 20, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 20, 2016, 12:57:12 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 20, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 20, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 20, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 20, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 20, 2016, 05:19:06 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 20, 2016, 05:19:06 PM
Would an Android even disturb the Facehugger inside the Egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2016, 10:06:18 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2016, 10:06:18 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 21, 2016, 01:08:02 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 21, 2016, 01:08:02 AM
Quote from: Guts on Aug 20, 2016, 05:19:06 PM
Would an Android even disturb the Facehugger inside the Egg?
I say probably no, must be a non synthetic host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 21, 2016, 02:46:39 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 21, 2016, 02:46:39 AM
Wait, we're still doing this? Here are the facts people.
In Prometheus, when David opens the door to the giant head room supposedly the atmosphere was affected which caused everything to disintegrate after a few minutes delay. Yet David opens the door to the Juggernaut, pokes around and nothing happens. He then brings the humans with him and the jars are still perfectly fine. They don't stay long enough to witness the jars disintegrate from their Human presence. Henceforth the aliens probably don't care about androids. So Bishop obviously got the egg while the atmospheric process complex was collapsing and made it back just in time to rescue Rips and Newt. It's also the real reason Hicks was sedated. A change in orders. You know, I bet Bishop crashed the ship on fury 161 to cover up his experimental murders of Hicks and Newt. He's one sick robo-puppy.
In Prometheus, when David opens the door to the giant head room supposedly the atmosphere was affected which caused everything to disintegrate after a few minutes delay. Yet David opens the door to the Juggernaut, pokes around and nothing happens. He then brings the humans with him and the jars are still perfectly fine. They don't stay long enough to witness the jars disintegrate from their Human presence. Henceforth the aliens probably don't care about androids. So Bishop obviously got the egg while the atmospheric process complex was collapsing and made it back just in time to rescue Rips and Newt. It's also the real reason Hicks was sedated. A change in orders. You know, I bet Bishop crashed the ship on fury 161 to cover up his experimental murders of Hicks and Newt. He's one sick robo-puppy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2016, 08:13:20 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2016, 08:13:20 AM
:laugh:
This thread has deteriorated in the best possible way in my absence.
This thread has deteriorated in the best possible way in my absence.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2016, 08:16:04 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2016, 08:16:04 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 21, 2016, 01:08:02 AM
What's this one from?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 23, 2016, 08:26:05 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 23, 2016, 08:26:05 AM
It's Russ Jorden encountering the eggs on the Derelict from Aliens Book One.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Hadn't realised they did a coloured version of the unedited Book One. Thanks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 24, 2016, 03:37:29 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 24, 2016, 03:37:29 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2016, 08:13:20 AM
:laugh:
This thread has deteriorated in the best possible way in my absence.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2016, 03:49:18 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2016, 03:49:18 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 23, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Hadn't realised they did a coloured version of the unedited Book One. Thanks.
They didn't. Afaik. And I would have caught that. The coloured version made reference to Anne Jorden.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 24, 2016, 03:50:20 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 24, 2016, 03:50:20 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 24, 2016, 03:37:29 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2016, 08:13:20 AMhttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/982/post-19715-Brent-Rambo-gif-thumbs-up-imgu-L3yP.gif
:laugh:
This thread has deteriorated in the best possible way in my absence.
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 05:06:52 AM
Post by: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 05:06:52 AM
Spoiler
Quote"The alien's abdomen had burst open, spilling a slick mess across the floor. It sizzled and spat as the acid-pool spread, but it was the things lying in the pool that drew Ripley's attention. Scores of them—maybe hundreds— spherical and each roughly the size of her thumb. They glimmered moistly beneath the flashlight beam, sliding over one another as more poured from the wound.
"I think we killed a queen," Ripley said.
"You're sure?" Hoop asked from behind her.
"Pretty sure—it's the only thing that makes sense. They're eggs. Hundreds of eggs." She looked back at him. "We nailed a f**king queen."
That happens in Out of the Shadows, maybe the Queen on the Sulaco was still pooping out eggs at the time and a few of them managed to grow up?
[close]
The Bishop theory makes retroactive sense, but I'm 90% sure that him not being on the platform with the drop ship was simply to give pay off for Ripley's "I CAN trust THIS android I guess" after a brief moment of doubt and was not intentional for anything nefarious in future movies.
Everything just ends up fan theory sounding, no matter what you do. The likeliest option is the Queen brought it up... That's another question to be answered, how and when did the Queen get on board the Sulaco in the first place? How and when did the Big Chap get on-board the Narcissus? Why didn't the Predators do a friggin X-Ray on Scar after his body was retrieved from an expedition to hunt creatures known to implant embryos inside of things?
Magical, magical plot convenience!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 24, 2016, 12:10:01 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 24, 2016, 12:10:01 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 05:06:52 AMSpoiler
Quote"The alien's abdomen had burst open, spilling a slick mess across the floor. It sizzled and spat as the acid-pool spread, but it was the things lying in the pool that drew Ripley's attention. Scores of them—maybe hundreds— spherical and each roughly the size of her thumb. They glimmered moistly beneath the flashlight beam, sliding over one another as more poured from the wound.
"I think we killed a queen," Ripley said.
"You're sure?" Hoop asked from behind her.
"Pretty sure—it's the only thing that makes sense. They're eggs. Hundreds of eggs." She looked back at him. "We nailed a f**king queen."
That happens in Out of the Shadows, maybe the Queen on the Sulaco was still pooping out eggs at the time and a few of them managed to grow up?[close]
Vindication!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
Hardly. The Queen in the book is just a juvenile. The implication I got it she's started developing some eggs buy hasn't developed a means to actually lay them yet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 12:49:04 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 12:49:04 PM
Bah! All I need to know is that if you tear open a hole in the queen's abdomen, little proto-eggs can fall out. It's enough for me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 01:08:42 PM
Post by: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
Hardly. The Queen in the book is just a juvenile. The implication I got it she's started developing some eggs buy hasn't developed a means to actually lay them yet.
The man speaks truth:
Spoiler
QuoteThough bigger than any they had so far seen, something about it was also almost childlike—its features were larger, the spiked and clawed limbs not quite so vicious. Ripley felt a strange frisson, a sense of likeness. But she was nothing like this thing.
Nothing at all.
"I think she's young," she said. "Imagine just how big...?" She shook her head. "We need to go."
[close]
That said, I do believe a mature queen would still be processing proto-eggs inside of her. I don't think that was the origin of the egg on the Sulaco, but the precedence for possible eggs is there, there is no evidence so far that the proto-eggs can grow outside of the Queen into a viable state.
Another option is that a drone got on board as well, they weren't all dead at this point and I doubt they'd leave the Queen to board a strange vessel alone. That said, there is no evidence of this drone so who can say? Has anyone here played Colonial Marines? Were there Aliens of anomalous origins on board the Sulaco in that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 01:31:49 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Kurai on Aug 24, 2016, 01:08:42 PMThat said, I do believe a mature queen would still be processing proto-eggs inside of her. I don't think that was the origin of the egg on the Sulaco, but the precedence for possible eggs is there, there is no evidence so far that the proto-eggs can grow outside of the Queen into a viable state.
The earliest scripts for Alien 3 bandied about ever nuttier origins for the egg, so I don't see the problem with a leaked proto-egg growing into the one we saw.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM
Still wouldn't explain how it manged to crawl up onto the ceiling and stick itself there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM
Still wouldn't explain how it manged to crawl up onto the ceiling and stick itself there.
The queen was really scrunched up in there in the landing gear. Maybe her deriere was up in the ceiling?
I don't recall now. Was the egg in the dropship or in the EEV?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
On the Sulaco, judging by the name embossed on the beam it's attached to.
The idea it could be inside the dropship landing gear, and that Ripley wouldn't have a good look around in there before going to bed, is kinda asinine. The Queen dropped out of there. She'd check.
The idea it could be inside the dropship landing gear, and that Ripley wouldn't have a good look around in there before going to bed, is kinda asinine. The Queen dropped out of there. She'd check.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 04:55:07 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 04:55:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM
Still wouldn't explain how it manged to crawl up onto the ceiling and stick itself there.
One man's ceiling is another man's floor. Pretty sure the hangar bay had a subflooring.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AM
My personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
How many times do I have to quote myself?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 06:41:07 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 06:41:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 04:55:07 PMHow many times do I have to quote myself?
As much as you like, it doesn't mean I have to agree with your ideas.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2016, 07:13:03 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2016, 07:13:03 PM
Nobody has to agree with anybody's ideas. The truth is, nobody knows how the egg got there other than the people who put it there in the film. It's largely immaterial to the film anyway. It's just a friendly discussion. ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 07:20:12 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 24, 2016, 07:20:12 PM
Just pointing out his repeated quotations don't solve the issue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 07:36:17 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 07:36:17 PM
You seem pretty insistent that the egg was stuck to the ceiling and don't even seem open to the possibility that it was elsewhere. That's not disagreement, it's just obstinance.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2016, 11:29:53 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2016, 11:29:53 PM
The Rex Pickett draft of Alien3 produced a few weeks prior to principal photography says Ripley's bioscan showed "thousands upon thousands of MICROSCOPIC eggs". She later relayed this to Dillon. Taking that into account she's born with every egg she ever going to lay and saying she can't produce them anymore because she loses her eggsac isn't accurate.
She may have simply laid a small one, that lacking the eggsac it couldn't grow to full size. Or maybe it could, but took much longer - hence the time difference between Aliens and Alien3.
She may have simply laid a small one, that lacking the eggsac it couldn't grow to full size. Or maybe it could, but took much longer - hence the time difference between Aliens and Alien3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 12:01:54 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 12:01:54 AM
Also noteworthy from that script (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/alien-3-rex-pickett-1991-01-05.pdf) is scene 13:
That's before the fire started.
QuoteEXT. DEEP SPACE
Movement through the void.
Turning, as though altering course.
That's before the fire started.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:22:03 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:22:03 AM
I hadn't heard about Ripley being host to thousands of micro eggs before, but hey, why not.
Aphids have an amazing reproduction system. A female aphid is born pregnant. Factually, a female aphid can be born with the next generation inside and that may also already be pregnant. Aphids can be born and have multiple generations inside them. Weird, huh. Add that fact to Alien life cycle and see where it takes you.
As far as removing the Queen's egg sack and ovipositor goes, we have a very real 'parallel' to that process as well. Women do not stop ovulating when their uterus is removed via hystorectomy. Their menstrual cycle will cease, but the ovaries still function with the gamete (egg) still forming once a month.
So maybe the Queen can still make 'eggs' without the need for an egg sack. I'd say it's highly likely - and a worthy possibility to consider if you genuinely want to explain how the egg gets aboard the Sulaco. After all, the Queen is on board. It is 'alien' by all counts and anything is possible. The fact that an established egg laying organism of unknown biological definition is present means it's certainly not out of the question.
It's entirely possible that the Queen may be able to generate proto-facehuggers within its body and the egg is formed around them in the eggsack. If the sack is not present, it may be of worthy consideration to entertain the notion that the Queen may drop as yet unformed larvae, say, what amounts to a legless facehugger and consists of just the tail and and the bare basics it needs to survive and a rudimentary mobility. It might find a location and build its own safe incubation chamber - an Alien egg - from here the egg fully forms from the nutrients draws from it's immediate environment.
After all, the egg and facehugger stages of the Alien is one area of its life cycle that has not been fully explored onscreen and may yet potentially answer this question of the egg aboard the Sulaco.
It's not that hard to speculate when so much of the Alien's life cycle has been so malleable to date. Only those fans adamant that the 3rd movie should be ignored are the ones not genuinely wanting an answer will do what they can to disavow any.
-Windebieste.
Aphids have an amazing reproduction system. A female aphid is born pregnant. Factually, a female aphid can be born with the next generation inside and that may also already be pregnant. Aphids can be born and have multiple generations inside them. Weird, huh. Add that fact to Alien life cycle and see where it takes you.
As far as removing the Queen's egg sack and ovipositor goes, we have a very real 'parallel' to that process as well. Women do not stop ovulating when their uterus is removed via hystorectomy. Their menstrual cycle will cease, but the ovaries still function with the gamete (egg) still forming once a month.
So maybe the Queen can still make 'eggs' without the need for an egg sack. I'd say it's highly likely - and a worthy possibility to consider if you genuinely want to explain how the egg gets aboard the Sulaco. After all, the Queen is on board. It is 'alien' by all counts and anything is possible. The fact that an established egg laying organism of unknown biological definition is present means it's certainly not out of the question.
It's entirely possible that the Queen may be able to generate proto-facehuggers within its body and the egg is formed around them in the eggsack. If the sack is not present, it may be of worthy consideration to entertain the notion that the Queen may drop as yet unformed larvae, say, what amounts to a legless facehugger and consists of just the tail and and the bare basics it needs to survive and a rudimentary mobility. It might find a location and build its own safe incubation chamber - an Alien egg - from here the egg fully forms from the nutrients draws from it's immediate environment.
After all, the egg and facehugger stages of the Alien is one area of its life cycle that has not been fully explored onscreen and may yet potentially answer this question of the egg aboard the Sulaco.
It's not that hard to speculate when so much of the Alien's life cycle has been so malleable to date. Only those fans adamant that the 3rd movie should be ignored are the ones not genuinely wanting an answer will do what they can to disavow any.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2016, 12:33:24 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2016, 12:33:24 AM
ProtoSack?!. Haha!!!!
Lol
Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:53:14 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:53:14 AM
^ Case in point.
-Windebieste.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 01:02:46 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 01:02:46 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:22:03 AM
I hadn't heard about Ripley being host to thousands of micro eggs before, but hey, why not.
More accurately, the neuroscanner zooms into Ripley's embryonic queen to show us the microscopic proto-eggs inside of her. Obviously, the final product didn't show that to us though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 01:28:02 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 01:28:02 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:22:03 AM
I hadn't heard about Ripley being host to thousands of micro eggs before, but hey, why not.
Aphids have an amazing reproduction system. A female aphid is born pregnant. Factually, a female aphid can be born with the next generation inside and that may also already be pregnant. Aphids can be born and have multiple generations inside them. Weird, huh. Add that fact to Alien life cycle and see where it takes you.
As far as removing the Queen's egg sack and ovipositor goes, we have a very real 'parallel' to that process as well. Women do not stop ovulating when their uterus is removed via hystorectomy. Their menstrual cycle will cease, but the ovaries still function with the gamete (egg) still forming once a month.
So maybe the Queen can still make 'eggs' without the need for an egg sack. I'd say it's highly likely - and a worthy possibility to consider if you genuinely want to explain how the egg gets aboard the Sulaco. After all, the Queen is on board. It is 'alien' by all counts and anything is possible. The fact that an established egg laying organism of unknown biological definition is present means it's certainly not out of the question.
It's entirely possible that the Queen may be able to generate proto-facehuggers within its body and the egg is formed around them in the eggsack. If the sack is not present, it may be of worthy consideration to entertain the notion that the Queen may drop as yet unformed larvae, say, what amounts to a legless facehugger and consists of just the tail and and the bare basics it needs to survive and a rudimentary mobility. It might find a location and build its own safe incubation chamber - an Alien egg - from here the egg fully forms from the nutrients draws from it's immediate environment.
After all, the egg and facehugger stages of the Alien is one area of its life cycle that has not been fully explored onscreen and may yet potentially answer this question of the egg aboard the Sulaco.
It's not that hard to speculate when so much of the Alien's life cycle has been so malleable to date. Only those fans adamant that the 3rd movie should be ignored are the ones not genuinely wanting an answer will do what they can to disavow any.
-Windebieste.
Um, Windebieste, you are not implying that women produce new eggs each month are you? As in completely fresh ones? If I recall correctly, women have a finite number of eggs from when they are born and they carry them around with them for several decades before somebody gets lucky. Yes there are new studies which suggest women are also capable of producing new eggs, but the general idea is that it isn't a monthly process. If a woman is menstruating, she basically matures one egg, but does not "form" a new egg each month.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 02:11:46 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 02:11:46 AM
My error. Not a big one; but seeking clarification is always good. I meant to say "Their menstrual cycle will cease, but the ovaries still function with the gamete (egg) still released once a month." By the way, 'menstruation' and 'ovulation' are different.
Either way, I'm saying the initial process still functions despite a major component of the plumbing no longer being present after an hysterectomy and the egg is still released into the system once a month. This is true for women; and a parallel may be true for Queen Aliens, too.
With this in mind, it's not outside the realm of credibility for the Queen to still be capable of reproduction without the egg sack as the egg itself may form further inside its body and then travel to the eggsack where it then develops further inside this organ to a fully formed egg.
Speculating here, but in order to completely sterilise the Queen, removing the egg sack may not be enough. You may need to remove whatever passes as gonads it has inside its body. And because it's Alien, who knows what it's actually capable of doing?
But if you genuinely want an explanation of how that egg possibly got aboard the Sulaco, then thee presence of the Queen and further speculation about its biology and reproduction is as good a place to start as any.
After all, who really does know everything there is to know about the Queen's reproductive system?
Especially when there's such a abundance of weird sexuality on our own planet. Male pigs have a corkscrew penis. Tapirs have a penis that is half their body length*. Male cats have a barbed penis. Female kangaroos have 3 vaginas. Just try and imagine the orgy if these 4 animals get together on a Saturday night after too many beers. After all, they're not all that far removed from us. They're all mammals.
-Windebieste.
*I mean seriously huge. So big in fact, I figure female tapirs must be hollow all the way up to the shoulders. ...and no. I'm not going to post images. You can google that one for yourself. I'm sure tapir penis was the inspirational design for 'Prometheus's hammerpede. lol.
Either way, I'm saying the initial process still functions despite a major component of the plumbing no longer being present after an hysterectomy and the egg is still released into the system once a month. This is true for women; and a parallel may be true for Queen Aliens, too.
With this in mind, it's not outside the realm of credibility for the Queen to still be capable of reproduction without the egg sack as the egg itself may form further inside its body and then travel to the eggsack where it then develops further inside this organ to a fully formed egg.
Speculating here, but in order to completely sterilise the Queen, removing the egg sack may not be enough. You may need to remove whatever passes as gonads it has inside its body. And because it's Alien, who knows what it's actually capable of doing?
But if you genuinely want an explanation of how that egg possibly got aboard the Sulaco, then thee presence of the Queen and further speculation about its biology and reproduction is as good a place to start as any.
After all, who really does know everything there is to know about the Queen's reproductive system?
Especially when there's such a abundance of weird sexuality on our own planet. Male pigs have a corkscrew penis. Tapirs have a penis that is half their body length*. Male cats have a barbed penis. Female kangaroos have 3 vaginas. Just try and imagine the orgy if these 4 animals get together on a Saturday night after too many beers. After all, they're not all that far removed from us. They're all mammals.
-Windebieste.
*I mean seriously huge. So big in fact, I figure female tapirs must be hollow all the way up to the shoulders. ...and no. I'm not going to post images. You can google that one for yourself. I'm sure tapir penis was the inspirational design for 'Prometheus's hammerpede. lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 02:55:33 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 02:55:33 AM
Damn! What will the nice people at Google who spy on my think of me after those searches? Polar bears actually have a bone in their penis called a baculum that, get this, actually BREAKS during copulation most of the time. Kangaroos are marsupials but your point is well taken. I would be shocked to find that the queen's reproductive organ is completely in the egg sac and not inside her. It would make sense that she carries internal reproductive organs.
The bottom line is that the aliens are capable of whatever the script writer comes up with and Fox approves. Its that simple. I am sure we make those folks very happy by continuing this polemic on blogs like this one. Fox WANTS us to be a crazy-ass fan base.
The bottom line is that the aliens are capable of whatever the script writer comes up with and Fox approves. Its that simple. I am sure we make those folks very happy by continuing this polemic on blogs like this one. Fox WANTS us to be a crazy-ass fan base.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 03:06:27 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 03:06:27 AM
Gotta give props to windebieste for the doing the heavy-lifting in the biology department here. I never had the energy to get into so much detail, but that's the general idea behind the ooze theory I've been shilling for.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
If I recall correctly, mammals without a baculum are significantly in the minority. Of course, that means humans as well. That 'boner' you got? Aint nothin' compared to how most male mammals are endowed. Even viagra for life just doesn't cut it. lol.
Yes. It really does come down to how 20th Century Fox perceives what will reward them the most without too much controversy. I love this 'crazy-ass' fan base. This is a fantastic Community to be a part of! Fox should love it, too. This fan base has everything. It has so much to offer; and Fox would be wise to appreciate that.
After all, it's their phallic headed monstrosity that brings all together. lol.
EDiT: It's just very general layman's appreciation of biology but I believe it's conceptually reasonable in the context of its use here.
EDiT again: Marsupials are mammals. As are monotremes. You might want to look them up if you're not familiar with their specialised breeding characteristics.
-Windebieste.
Yes. It really does come down to how 20th Century Fox perceives what will reward them the most without too much controversy. I love this 'crazy-ass' fan base. This is a fantastic Community to be a part of! Fox should love it, too. This fan base has everything. It has so much to offer; and Fox would be wise to appreciate that.
After all, it's their phallic headed monstrosity that brings all together. lol.
EDiT: It's just very general layman's appreciation of biology but I believe it's conceptually reasonable in the context of its use here.
EDiT again: Marsupials are mammals. As are monotremes. You might want to look them up if you're not familiar with their specialised breeding characteristics.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
Queens are born pregnant and sans eggsac. Can't imagine they're going to stop 'laying' eggs when they no longer have an eggsac.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 03:33:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 03:33:03 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 03:08:26 AMEDiT: It's just very general layman's appreciation of biology but I believe it's conceptually reasonable in the context of its use here.
That's why I appreciate it. Too complicated and no one will understand it, but too simplified and no one will believe it.
It's not as easy line to straddle, but you're doing well so far.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 04:27:31 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 04:27:31 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 03:06:27 AM
Gotta give props to windebieste for the doing the heavy-lifting in the biology department here. I never had the energy to get into so much detail, but that's the general idea behind the ooze theory I've been shilling for.
To me, I have no problems with one explanation over another really. It's circumlocutious to the film as a whole. Alien 3 is a great film for what it is. It is one of my all-time favorite films. But the premise of it still doesn't sit well with me, and I would have preferred a much different story to be told instead of Alien 3. Perhaps I was spoiled by the Verheiden comics which came out shortly after the Aliens film. They went full-tilt for a grand arc where our heroes go to the Alien home-world. That was something that pushed my imagination and Alien 3 was a big let-down by comparison. I know many people will not agree. That is totally ok.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
If I recall correctly, mammals without a baculum are significantly in the minority. Of course, that means humans as well. That 'boner' you got? Aint nothin' compared to how most male mammals are endowed. Even viagra for life just doesn't cut it. lol.
Yes. It really does come down to how 20th Century Fox perceives what will reward them the most without too much controversy. I love this 'crazy-ass' fan base. This is a fantastic Community to be a part of! Fox should love it, too. This fan base has everything. It has so much to offer; and Fox would be wise to appreciate that.
After all, it's their phallic headed monstrosity that brings all together. lol.
EDiT: It's just very general layman's appreciation of biology but I believe it's conceptually reasonable in the context of its use here.
EDiT again: Marsupials are mammals. As are monotremes. You might want to look them up if you're not familiar with their specialised breeding characteristics.
-Windebieste.
Yep. Confirmed. Marsupials are mammals. My bad. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 04:49:26 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 04:49:26 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
Queens are born pregnant and sans eggsac. Can't imagine they're going to stop 'laying' eggs when they no longer have an eggsac.
Sounds more than reasonable to me.
My best bet is the Queen is still 'ovulating' when it is brought aboard the Sulaco and made one or more, shall we say 'pre-larval', deposits on the Sulaco deck. ...and if such hypothetical 'embryos' had the capacity for mobility then by the time Ripley has gotten around to 'mopping up the mess' (Let's face it, though, house work would have been a low priority, even after ensuring Newt's safety first) these pre-larval facehuggers would have had a chance to migrate to safer locales on board the ship, find a secure place, settling down and start extracting nutrients directly from their environment, in this case the ship's walls and bulkhead where it came to rest, permanently fixing itself in place.
While we have seen that the facehugger uses acid for blood, there's no reason to believe why this corrosive bodily fluid can't be used to break down environmental materials such as the metals, plastics and other composites that the Sulaco is constructed from and then absorb the broken down materials as nutrients to create the egg itself. Eventually a new egg containing a facehugger could develop in this way anywhere aboard the ship.
Anyway, this is my take on how the egg gets on board. The Queen is much more versatile at reproduction than previously appreciated and the larval stage is mobile from a very early stage in its formation. The egg sac is needed to protect and nourish the egg so larvae can be laid complete and in safely inside the 'leathery object' but the process isn't entirely necessary - but ensures greater survival rate of the eggs and their contents. The larva is very vulnerable until it's fully formed facehugger and the egg provides an ideal place for growth.
With this in mind, there's no reason to limit the number of eggs aboard the Sulaco to just one. There could be 2. This would dovetail nicely with the pair of Aliens present in 'ALIEN 3'. ...what if there's more eggs on board, though? That's where it gets very, very interesting. In which case, returning to the abandoned Sulaco might yield some nasty surprises.
That's where I'd take 'ALIEN 5'. I'd have armed mercs of the Patna attempt to board and reclaim the ship - or at least trying to - until one of them gets face ganked. Then taken back to the WY ship. Then the fun starts...
APE suited WY personnel with pulse rifles accompanied by prisoner Morse in pitched battles with Xenomorphs aboard the Patna. Yeah. Bring it.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 05:02:02 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 05:02:02 AM
But there is no more Sulaco for anyone to board. Bringing in Morse means bringing in a character who is now 25 years older. I thought you wanted all new characters.. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 05:27:28 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 05:27:28 AM
For a start, Morse isn't deceased. By the time 'ALIEN 3' ends, he's the only person to have survived all the encounters with Aliens to date. Besides, Morse isn't 25 years older - just the actor is. He's also an interesting character that deserves expanding.
I think stringing the events together in quick succession for a sequel would make for much more immediately rewarding movie than placing the events 25 years later just to accommodate the older actor. Make 'ALIEN' 5 dovetail right on the closing moments of 'ALIENS'. Casting a British actor of similar age and mannerisms to what Danny Webb had at the time 'ALIEN 3' was made is the way to go.
Good casting is what's needed to make the character work - not excuses to bring back aging actors to reprise roles of deceased characters they haven't played in decades; and then shoe horn the story around them. *Insert facepalm here.* I'm completely against that. That's just f*cked. I'd be dead set against bringing back Danny Webb for the role. His effort was an interpretation of the character but he doesn't have any rights to the character more than any other more appropriate actor - so I'd hire him for coaching the new actor as to how to portray Morse - and that's it.
To make the story work, you'd hire someone else for the role. No bringing back deceased characters. No pandering to actors on the tail ends of their careers who are desperate to get back into the boots that they emptied long ago. Screw that.
Story first. Characters second. Casting to match. No retcon needed.
-Windebieste.
I think stringing the events together in quick succession for a sequel would make for much more immediately rewarding movie than placing the events 25 years later just to accommodate the older actor. Make 'ALIEN' 5 dovetail right on the closing moments of 'ALIENS'. Casting a British actor of similar age and mannerisms to what Danny Webb had at the time 'ALIEN 3' was made is the way to go.
Good casting is what's needed to make the character work - not excuses to bring back aging actors to reprise roles of deceased characters they haven't played in decades; and then shoe horn the story around them. *Insert facepalm here.* I'm completely against that. That's just f*cked. I'd be dead set against bringing back Danny Webb for the role. His effort was an interpretation of the character but he doesn't have any rights to the character more than any other more appropriate actor - so I'd hire him for coaching the new actor as to how to portray Morse - and that's it.
To make the story work, you'd hire someone else for the role. No bringing back deceased characters. No pandering to actors on the tail ends of their careers who are desperate to get back into the boots that they emptied long ago. Screw that.
Story first. Characters second. Casting to match. No retcon needed.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2016, 10:40:59 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 25, 2016, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 07:36:17 PMYou seem pretty insistent that the egg was stuck to the ceiling and don't even seem open to the possibility that it was elsewhere.
When I say ceiling, I'm simply referring to the fact it was clearly stuck upside-down to something above. Ceiling, beam, underfloor, whatever.
And I never said you're idea didn't have merit, or even that it's not a good one. All I said was repeatedly quoting it doesn't make it true.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 11:28:25 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 11:28:25 AM
The location of the egg in the ceiling is very easy to explain. Too easy, actually, and it all comes down to space travel energy usage and conservation.
What's the first thing that happens when one of these spacecraft reaches its destination? It automatically prepares itself for human occupancy. Lights come on, monitors blink to life and systems generally fire up. Up until someone is actually around to use them, all of these systems are in 'sleep' mode simply because there is no use for them to be active during a flight when the entire crew are in hypersleep for months on end. Leaving all the lights burning and keeping monitors on serves no purpose when there's no one around. As soon as the crew are awakened, these systems are automatically activated. It's a sensible way to conserve not only energy, but prevent component failure as well. It's good engineering when resources can sometimes require calculation to the last watt/pound/whatever. Bottom line is, space craft can't afford to waste energy.
This would also apply to whatever artificial gravity systems are in use aboard the Nostromo/Sulaco. There's no point in expending energy on keeping people upright on their feet when they're safely cocooned in a sleeping pod for months on end. So the artificial gravity systems are also powered down. Let's just give an arbitrary value of power down to be in the range of 85-90% - just enough remains for stationery objects to stay where they are, permit friction to act upon them to keep them in place and allow their inertial frame of reference do the rest of the work - and substantially enough of a reduction to be energy conserving. Just prior to everyone waking up, the artificial gravity is automatically raised to 100% along with the rest of the ship's systems. Sounds about right.
The crew then do whatever it is they gotta do and all the systems are active to accommodate their activities, including artificial gravity. Makes sense.
When the crew go to rest in their hypersleep beds again, everything powers down to conserve energy. All monitors and lights are dimmed and other systems that no longer needed to be supervised by humans can be set into 'sleep' mode. This goes for the artificial gravity systems as well - which conceivably could be very energy intensive. Why have them on full when everyone's asleep? Power them down and conserve energy. Makes that long sleep easier, too when less gravity is in effect.*
At a reduced gravity, say 15%, the mobile pre-larva is able to move about more freely when everyone is tucked away in beds. It can attach itself to any surface under reduced gravity conditions. It makes sense to locate itself as close to the hypersleep pods as possible. How does it know to do this? Well, let's just say there's a lot about Alien perception that's always been debatable. Maybe Aliens are like sharks and can detect bioelectricity? Who knows?
So anyway, the larva attaches itself to the ceiling because, well, there's simply less gravity and any surface is ideal. The small organism attaches itself in place, sends out tendrils and starts to form an egg. The use of its acidic bodily fluid dissolves components of the ship it is attached to and it grows an outer covering. Eventually it becomes a fully grown Alien egg, complete with an 8 legged facehugger within.
Mind you, that 15% gravity is still in effect as the egg grows and as it increases in size, it eventually gets to a point where even that reduced artificial gravity exerts enough force on the mass of the egg, especially as it nears full size. Eventually that 15% gravity is enough to dislodge the contents and force the egg to open. The facehugger then quite literally falls out onto the floor without the need for anyone approaching it.
Well, what's it going to do, now?
Go looking for a host, of course. You know the rest from here. Especially if the Queen has dropped 2 (or more) proto-facehuggers on the Sulaco deck during its confrontation with Ripley.
-Windebieste.
*notwithstanding the fact that long periods of low gravity do have adverse affects on human health. No doubt WY have contractual clauses and disclaimers in place for that. lol.
What's the first thing that happens when one of these spacecraft reaches its destination? It automatically prepares itself for human occupancy. Lights come on, monitors blink to life and systems generally fire up. Up until someone is actually around to use them, all of these systems are in 'sleep' mode simply because there is no use for them to be active during a flight when the entire crew are in hypersleep for months on end. Leaving all the lights burning and keeping monitors on serves no purpose when there's no one around. As soon as the crew are awakened, these systems are automatically activated. It's a sensible way to conserve not only energy, but prevent component failure as well. It's good engineering when resources can sometimes require calculation to the last watt/pound/whatever. Bottom line is, space craft can't afford to waste energy.
This would also apply to whatever artificial gravity systems are in use aboard the Nostromo/Sulaco. There's no point in expending energy on keeping people upright on their feet when they're safely cocooned in a sleeping pod for months on end. So the artificial gravity systems are also powered down. Let's just give an arbitrary value of power down to be in the range of 85-90% - just enough remains for stationery objects to stay where they are, permit friction to act upon them to keep them in place and allow their inertial frame of reference do the rest of the work - and substantially enough of a reduction to be energy conserving. Just prior to everyone waking up, the artificial gravity is automatically raised to 100% along with the rest of the ship's systems. Sounds about right.
The crew then do whatever it is they gotta do and all the systems are active to accommodate their activities, including artificial gravity. Makes sense.
When the crew go to rest in their hypersleep beds again, everything powers down to conserve energy. All monitors and lights are dimmed and other systems that no longer needed to be supervised by humans can be set into 'sleep' mode. This goes for the artificial gravity systems as well - which conceivably could be very energy intensive. Why have them on full when everyone's asleep? Power them down and conserve energy. Makes that long sleep easier, too when less gravity is in effect.*
At a reduced gravity, say 15%, the mobile pre-larva is able to move about more freely when everyone is tucked away in beds. It can attach itself to any surface under reduced gravity conditions. It makes sense to locate itself as close to the hypersleep pods as possible. How does it know to do this? Well, let's just say there's a lot about Alien perception that's always been debatable. Maybe Aliens are like sharks and can detect bioelectricity? Who knows?
So anyway, the larva attaches itself to the ceiling because, well, there's simply less gravity and any surface is ideal. The small organism attaches itself in place, sends out tendrils and starts to form an egg. The use of its acidic bodily fluid dissolves components of the ship it is attached to and it grows an outer covering. Eventually it becomes a fully grown Alien egg, complete with an 8 legged facehugger within.
Mind you, that 15% gravity is still in effect as the egg grows and as it increases in size, it eventually gets to a point where even that reduced artificial gravity exerts enough force on the mass of the egg, especially as it nears full size. Eventually that 15% gravity is enough to dislodge the contents and force the egg to open. The facehugger then quite literally falls out onto the floor without the need for anyone approaching it.
Well, what's it going to do, now?
Go looking for a host, of course. You know the rest from here. Especially if the Queen has dropped 2 (or more) proto-facehuggers on the Sulaco deck during its confrontation with Ripley.
-Windebieste.
*notwithstanding the fact that long periods of low gravity do have adverse affects on human health. No doubt WY have contractual clauses and disclaimers in place for that. lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
Queens are born pregnant and sans eggsac. Can't imagine they're going to stop 'laying' eggs when they no longer have an eggsac.
So where from on its thin body did this queen, sans egg sack, lay this 2 by 3 foot egg?
Seems all eggs are full sized when layed. Like a chicken. Or an ant. Or bird.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Except that Aliens are neither chickens, ants or birds.
Dinosaur eggs for breakfast:
100% guaranteed, bona fide dinosaur eggs! YUMMY! ;D
-Windebieste.
Dinosaur eggs for breakfast:
100% guaranteed, bona fide dinosaur eggs! YUMMY! ;D
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kurai on Aug 25, 2016, 02:54:46 PM
Post by: Kurai on Aug 25, 2016, 02:54:46 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2016, 11:51:07 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
Queens are born pregnant and sans eggsac. Can't imagine they're going to stop 'laying' eggs when they no longer have an eggsac.
So where from on its thin body did this queen, sans egg sack, lay this 2 by 3 foot egg?
Seems all eggs are full sized when layed. Like a chicken. Or an ant. Or bird.
According to the novel Out of the Shadows they're around the size of Ripley's thumb whilst inside that slim Queen belleh. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 25, 2016, 03:17:03 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 25, 2016, 03:17:03 PM
Reminds me of Gibson's script. Wasn't there a tiny, spore-releasing egg in that script?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 11:28:25 AM
The location of the egg in the ceiling is very easy to explain. Too easy, actually, and it all comes down to space travel energy usage and conservation.
...
Quite possibly the simplest and yet best solution.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Aug 25, 2016, 03:17:03 PM
Reminds me of Gibson's script. Wasn't there a tiny, spore-releasing egg in that script?
We sharen't talk about that first draft. Terrible ideas! I remember thinking the second draft was great though! It got rid of all those silly ideas iirc.
Personally I like the idea of the Queen just being able to squeeze one out before she had her scrap with Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 05:18:16 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 11:28:25 AM
The location of the egg in the ceiling is very easy to explain. Too easy, actually, and it all comes down to space travel energy usage and conservation.
What's the first thing that happens when one of these spacecraft reaches its destination? It automatically prepares itself for human occupancy. Lights come on, monitors blink to life and systems generally fire up. Up until someone is actually around to use them, all of these systems are in 'sleep' mode simply because there is no use for them to be active during a flight when the entire crew are in hypersleep for months on end. Leaving all the lights burning and keeping monitors on serves no purpose when there's no one around. As soon as the crew are awakened, these systems are automatically activated. It's a sensible way to conserve not only energy, but prevent component failure as well. It's good engineering when resources can sometimes require calculation to the last watt/pound/whatever. Bottom line is, space craft can't afford to waste energy.
This would also apply to whatever artificial gravity systems are in use aboard the Nostromo/Sulaco. There's no point in expending energy on keeping people upright on their feet when they're safely cocooned in a sleeping pod for months on end. So the artificial gravity systems are also powered down. Let's just give an arbitrary value of power down to be in the range of 85-90% - just enough remains for stationery objects to stay where they are, permit friction to act upon them to keep them in place and allow their inertial frame of reference do the rest of the work - and substantially enough of a reduction to be energy conserving. Just prior to everyone waking up, the artificial gravity is automatically raised to 100% along with the rest of the ship's systems. Sounds about right.
The crew then do whatever it is they gotta do and all the systems are active to accommodate their activities, including artificial gravity. Makes sense.
When the crew go to rest in their hypersleep beds again, everything powers down to conserve energy. All monitors and lights are dimmed and other systems that no longer needed to be supervised by humans can be set into 'sleep' mode. This goes for the artificial gravity systems as well - which conceivably could be very energy intensive. Why have them on full when everyone's asleep? Power them down and conserve energy. Makes that long sleep easier, too when less gravity is in effect.*
At a reduced gravity, say 15%, the mobile pre-larva is able to move about more freely when everyone is tucked away in beds. It can attach itself to any surface under reduced gravity conditions. It makes sense to locate itself as close to the hypersleep pods as possible. How does it know to do this? Well, let's just say there's a lot about Alien perception that's always been debatable. Maybe Aliens are like sharks and can detect bioelectricity? Who knows?
So anyway, the larva attaches itself to the ceiling because, well, there's simply less gravity and any surface is ideal. The small organism attaches itself in place, sends out tendrils and starts to form an egg. The use of its acidic bodily fluid dissolves components of the ship it is attached to and it grows an outer covering. Eventually it becomes a fully grown Alien egg, complete with an 8 legged facehugger within.
Mind you, that 15% gravity is still in effect as the egg grows and as it increases in size, it eventually gets to a point where even that reduced artificial gravity exerts enough force on the mass of the egg, especially as it nears full size. Eventually that 15% gravity is enough to dislodge the contents and force the egg to open. The facehugger then quite literally falls out onto the floor without the need for anyone approaching it.
Well, what's it going to do, now?
Go looking for a host, of course. You know the rest from here. Especially if the Queen has dropped 2 (or more) proto-facehuggers on the Sulaco deck during its confrontation with Ripley.
-Windebieste.
*notwithstanding the fact that long periods of low gravity do have adverse affects on human health. No doubt WY have contractual clauses and disclaimers in place for that. lol.
Very good point about shutting off the gravity. Well done sir. I don't think I've heard that one before.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 04:49:26 AMWhile we have seen that the facehugger uses acid for blood, there's no reason to believe why this corrosive bodily fluid can't be used to break down environmental materials such as the metals, plastics and other composites that the Sulaco is constructed from and then absorb the broken down materials as nutrients to create the egg itself. Eventually a new egg containing a facehugger could develop in this way anywhere aboard the ship.
Agreed. I've been trying to sell that idea for a long time, though. Hopefully you'll have better luck convincing people.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 04, 2012, 09:09:19 PM
Given how acidic their blood is, I think they can eat and metabolize virtually anything. Remember, they didn't appear to eat the dead hosts in Aliens.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 06, 2014, 10:38:20 PMI've long believed that their acidic blood also allows them to metabolize virtually any substance, including metal. It would explain how they manage to grow so big without eating their prey.
Same would go for the eggs.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 08, 2014, 07:08:38 PMEven if the aliens aren't synthetic, their biology suggests that they can metabolize inorganic materials.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
All of these explanations are within the realm of possibility and are simply dependent on the writer's choice. My gripe with the whole thing is that it is a contrivance which led to a story without grandeur. The end of Aliens suggested that the queen was effectively defeated by Ripley. To say that an egg was either brought on board by the queen, or somehow she laid a tiny one is realistic without argument, but it is also contrived. It just doesn't seem like a natural progression to the story. It seemed like the natural thing to do was to go big and find out where the aliens came from. That was the approach that Mark Verheiden took with his Aliens comics. Instead, after the fans were pumped up by the Aliens film and the comics, we went to a story which seems so unimpactful and literally stalls the progression with some of the main characters. Just take a look at how many pages it is taking for us to come up with an answer to how the egg got on the Sulaco. It is just such an out-of-left-field direction that was taken, that it literally derailed the progress of the story.
What would be natural, is that these characters might get a few decades of some sort of peace after the events in Aliens. It would be unnatural that the aliens' homeworld would be found a few weeks after the events of that film. It would likely take a lot more time before people stumbled onto that planet. So now we are at that stage where, we could get a proper sequel to Aliens, one which moves in a grand direction instead of the unrewarding one we got in Alien 3. We could get that with Blomkamp's film. The key actors are still around, and they are up for it.
This is ridiculous. It's time to let go of the egg on the Sulaco, because most likely, it was never there and go in a better direction for a sequel to Aliens.
What would be natural, is that these characters might get a few decades of some sort of peace after the events in Aliens. It would be unnatural that the aliens' homeworld would be found a few weeks after the events of that film. It would likely take a lot more time before people stumbled onto that planet. So now we are at that stage where, we could get a proper sequel to Aliens, one which moves in a grand direction instead of the unrewarding one we got in Alien 3. We could get that with Blomkamp's film. The key actors are still around, and they are up for it.
This is ridiculous. It's time to let go of the egg on the Sulaco, because most likely, it was never there and go in a better direction for a sequel to Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 25, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 25, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
er... I want A5 too, but I don't feel this is the thread to discuss it. I'd rather not see that debate erupt here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 09:32:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 09:32:23 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 09:03:56 PMTo say that an egg was either brought on board by the queen, or somehow she laid a tiny one is realistic without argument, but it is also contrived.
I suspect that Fox insisted on it. It just doesn't makes sense that all of the various screenwriters who worked on this film would have chosen the same starting point for their stories if it hadn't been mandated by the people who commissioned their scripts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 09:52:35 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 09:52:35 PM
Re: gravity. Interesting idea, but are we to assume that an egg can float to get stuck on the ceiling - but nothing else floats while the crew's asleep? The floor would be littered in perpetual motion executive toys every time they woke.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 09:54:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 09:54:01 PM
I thought the same thing, but didn't he suggest that the ship would have reduced its gravity versus cutting it off entirely? Regardless, I think the theory works with or without that idea.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 09:54:06 PM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 09:54:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 25, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
Quite possibly the simplest and yet best solution.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 05:18:16 PM
Very good point about shutting off the gravity. Well done sir. I don't think I've heard that one before.
Thank you. We have 'ALIEN 3' now regardless of the decisions made by the studio to take the movie in unexpected directions. Directions that some people find hostile to their sensibilities and difficult to accept. Then again, if the 3rd film does live up to its title, doesn't it? Unexpected and hostile; and that is what these movies are about. So they should be.
If we take the available evidence, Yessir, we can explain the egg's existence. Accepting that the Queen is still capable of generating a 'spore' of some description and coupling that with powering down of the ships systems, including gravity generation, while the crew are in hypersleep we can come to a very reasonable and practical solution.
Finally, you could add these events into the narrative of a movie by having someone aboard, say, the Patna have coded remote access the Sulaco's flight records and have a visual via monitors of recorded security feed of Ripley's fight with the Queen, close ups of it dropping spores and those spores moving around the powered down ship and growing into eggs while Ripley and company are asleep.
Then crew of the Patna would have some understanding of what happened aboard the ship and that information is conveyed to the audience. They then board the ship and find, surprise!, there's a few more eggs than they anticipated via the security feed. Only 2 of which have been opened and those are the two we see on Fiorina in 'ALIEN 3'.
From here it's on with the movie... an 'ALIENS' movie told from the viewpoint of WY mercs. I'd take it in that direction. So much to offer right there with all these advantages: Continuity between 2nd and 3rd movie explained. New characters. New story. More pulse rifles. More Aliens. No need for a retcon. A true 'ALIENS' story spanning across both ships as infected WY mercs are returned to the Patna and containment for the contamination fails.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Agreed. I've been trying to sell that idea for a long time, though. Hopefully you'll have better luck convincing people.
People like their insect analogies when it comes to just about everything regarding the Alien so here's one that might just suit. We have hydrochloric acid in our stomachs essential for digestion. We digest our food internally but insects, houseflies, for example, digest their food externally. Houseflies are toothless and in order to eat they have a very specialised proboscis. They vomit up their stomach contents - including the acid - and dissolve their food. They then suck up the soupy nutrients via the proboscis.
Disgusting, right? Well, facehuggers have all these features. They lack a jaw. Acid is present. They have a proboscis. A juvenile facehugger may very well be able vomit up acid, digest local material for food (and egg construction) much like an insect does to feed. Tell them that.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
This is ridiculous. It's time to let go of the egg on the Sulaco
That's not what it's time to let go off.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 09:57:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 09:57:23 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 09:54:06 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
Agreed. I've been trying to sell that idea for a long time, though. Hopefully you'll have better luck convincing people.
People like their insect analogies when it comes to just about everything regarding the Alien so here's one that might just suit. We have hydrochloric acid in our stomachs essential for digestion. We digest our food internally but insects, houseflies, for example, digest their food externally. Houseflies are toothless and in order to eat they have a very specialised proboscis. They vomit up their stomach contents - including the acid - and dissolve their food. They then suck up the soupy nutrients via the proboscis.
Disgusting, right? Well, facehuggers have all these features. They lack a jaw. Acid is present. They have a proboscis. A juvenile facehugger may very well be able vomit up acid, digest local material for food (and egg construction) much like an insect does to feed. Tell them that.
I tried that, but my version was "like in The Fly." Like I said, too simplistic and people won't believe it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 10:06:06 PM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 10:06:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 09:54:01 PM
I thought the same thing, but didn't he suggest that the ship would have reduced its gravity versus cutting it off entirely?
Yah. This is why you can't shut it off entirely. You wouldn't want to anyway. It needs to still be on because the crew would otherwise wake up and not be able to find their coffee cups when they get up. It's all explained in the post. Reduced gravity, friction and the intertial frame of reference of all objects on the Nostromo traveling at exactly the same velocity together without any other force acting upon them would keep all objects in place. Everything would be as light as a feather if you picked them up, but even a feather stays put when placed on a flat surface.
The egg is formed when the spore settles upon a surface. Any surface. Once it's determined it's safe, it sends out tendrils, feeds, grows and forms the egg. For 'ALIEN 3' that surface just happens to be part of the ceiling. Under significantly reduced gravity the egg could grow to full size unaffected, just its orientation is perpendicular to the surface it's attached to. As it grows to full, it would cross a mass threshold where it would no longer be able to hold its contents and it disgorges the facehugger onto the floor.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 10:10:14 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 10:10:14 PM
So the gravity is reduced enough for an egg to float up and get stuck on the ceiling, but not enough for absolutely everything else on the ship - cups, jars, dippy birds, clothes, loaders, drop ships the sleeping crew - to float around.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 10:20:05 PM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 10:20:05 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 10:10:14 PM
So the gravity is reduced enough for an egg to float up and get stuck on the ceiling, but not enough for absolutely everything else on the ship - cups, jars, dippy birds, clothes, loaders, drop ships the sleeping crew - to float around.
Close, but you're missing a critical step. I guess others will too, so more effort is required on my part. Not much:
The spores that the Queen drops on the deck of the Sulaco, 2 or more of them, would be partially formed facehuggers. Basically just a tail and a sack of organs with a proboscis - very delicate and vulnerable. It needs the egg to be safe to develop fully but does have the capacity to create one of its own if necessary. It's small, though, which makes it very mobile - and fast. It lands on the deck and intuitively seeks out safety.
Meanwhile, Ripley throws the Queen out the airlock, gathers Newt and hits the sack. The ship then powers down its systems to conserve energy as I've outlined above.
While this is happening the spore(s) migrate around the ship in low gravity and one of them attaches itself to the ceiling where we see it in 'ALIEN 3 and grows into maturity there. The low gravity doesn't affect the egg growth but it does affect the growing mass of the egg and eventually forces it to open.
Hope that helps.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 10:28:31 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 10:28:31 PM
With things like teeny proto-facehuggers (that were dropped when, and didn't get sucked out into space?), these teeny proto-facehuggers make their own eggs(?), some things defying gravity while others don't (setting aside that it makes perfect sense to reduce artificial gravity while the crew is asleep - David notwithstanding) - this has rapidly shifted from 'that has some merit' to 'this is too convoluted'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 10:34:28 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 10:34:28 PM
This is why I went with mucous-like globules of tiny proto-eggs in my theory. They don't require spidery proto-facehuggers crawling around the ship, just a bit of slime oozing out of the queen's abdomen and into the hangar's subflooring during her fight with Ripley.
Presumably, this material would have been sticky enough to prevent it from being blown out into space when the whole room decompressed. Either that or it landed in a place where it was safe from being dragged out by the airflow.
Presumably, this material would have been sticky enough to prevent it from being blown out into space when the whole room decompressed. Either that or it landed in a place where it was safe from being dragged out by the airflow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 10:36:10 PM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 10:36:10 PM
It's not that hard to understand. Just give it some thought.
If you want to get down to every little detail. Yes. We can do that, too.
The egg doesn't float around. Gravity affects all objects the same way but the high mobility of the small, light weight spores permits them to access locations under these conditions and then grow into an egg on any surface.
The spores use their tail to secure themselves to the floor grating during the rapid decompression. Simple.
-Windebieste.
The principle is the same, just the details differ. Others have suggested similar solutions in the past. The important point being made in each example is the Queen may still be capable of dropping spores despite the loss of its egg sac.
-Windebieste.
Here's the break down if it's too convoluted for you, or anyone else:
1). Queen drops 2 (or more) spores.
2). Queen gets thrown out the airlock and Ripley and Newt head off for the long sleep home.
3). Ship's non-critical systems, including artificial gravity, power down.
4). Spores migrate freely around the largely vacant low gravity ship, settle into place and become eggs. One attaches to the ceiling under these conditions.
It's easy. ;)
-Windebieste.
If you want to get down to every little detail. Yes. We can do that, too.
The egg doesn't float around. Gravity affects all objects the same way but the high mobility of the small, light weight spores permits them to access locations under these conditions and then grow into an egg on any surface.
The spores use their tail to secure themselves to the floor grating during the rapid decompression. Simple.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 10:34:28 PM
This is why I went with mucous-like globules of tiny proto-eggs in my theory. They don't require spidery proto-facehuggers crawling around the ship, just a bit of slime oozing out of the queen's abdomen and into the hangar's subflooring during her fight with Ripley.
Presumably, this material would have been sticky enough to prevent it from being blown out into space when the whole room decompressed. Either that or it landed in a place where it was safe from being dragged out by the airflow.
The principle is the same, just the details differ. Others have suggested similar solutions in the past. The important point being made in each example is the Queen may still be capable of dropping spores despite the loss of its egg sac.
-Windebieste.
Here's the break down if it's too convoluted for you, or anyone else:
1). Queen drops 2 (or more) spores.
2). Queen gets thrown out the airlock and Ripley and Newt head off for the long sleep home.
3). Ship's non-critical systems, including artificial gravity, power down.
4). Spores migrate freely around the largely vacant low gravity ship, settle into place and become eggs. One attaches to the ceiling under these conditions.
It's easy. ;)
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kurai on Aug 25, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
Post by: Kurai on Aug 25, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
Eh, I'm not so sure... We don't have any precedent for it. We may as well say a Warrior got on with the Queen and after everyone went to sleep, crawled above the hypersleep chambers and reverse-morphed into a Queen Egg and that's how it got there. :P
@SM: If I remember correctly there is a mention of artificial gravity being reengaged as the Nostromo crew wake up. Can't say for the Sulaco though.
@SM: If I remember correctly there is a mention of artificial gravity being reengaged as the Nostromo crew wake up. Can't say for the Sulaco though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
The problem here is the Alien's biology is not set in stone. Every film maker, including Scott, has modified it to some degree. Scott removed the eggmorph scene. Cameron added the Queen. Fincher made the Alien compatible with other species. and so on.
As movie makers have each added their own take on the creature's life cycle just about anything is plausible.
If you want an explanation of how the egg got on board the Sulaco, then the simplest is the best. In this scenario, you just have to link presence of the Queen to the egg on the ceiling; and then just 'join the dots'.
So yes. It can be explained. Given the malleability of the organism and this under explored area of the Queen's loss of an egg sac, it's a viable solution.
-Windebieste.
As movie makers have each added their own take on the creature's life cycle just about anything is plausible.
If you want an explanation of how the egg got on board the Sulaco, then the simplest is the best. In this scenario, you just have to link presence of the Queen to the egg on the ceiling; and then just 'join the dots'.
So yes. It can be explained. Given the malleability of the organism and this under explored area of the Queen's loss of an egg sac, it's a viable solution.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:08:09 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:08:09 PM
I think you have people buying into the basic principle, but you're losing them with every new variable you introduce. The devil's in the details, so to speak.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:11:12 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:11:12 PM
I tend to side with 'the path of least making things up'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 25, 2016, 11:22:59 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 25, 2016, 11:22:59 PM
I've figured it out.
You all ready?
:laugh:
You all ready?
Spoiler
Alternate scene at end of ALIENS:
The Alien Queen had a dozen pre-mature eggs in a carton. The carton was placed deep in the spikes of her back, unseen to human eyes. She offered to make an omelet for Rips, Newt, Hicks and Bishop. Bishop refused, thus causing the queen to rip in half, in anger that he was insulting her cooking skills. Rips and Newt split; as the Queen searches for Newt in the subflooring, the carton opens and one slips into the cracks. The egg proceeds to stick upside down in the flooring, but Newt is terrified at the Queen's cooking skills, I mean anger, that she doesn't notice it and the rest of the movie continues, but with one alternate line:
"Get away from her, you terrible chef." LOL
Oh, the carton can be seen when the airlock sucks out the Queen, as an obscure, grey object.
The Alien Queen had a dozen pre-mature eggs in a carton. The carton was placed deep in the spikes of her back, unseen to human eyes. She offered to make an omelet for Rips, Newt, Hicks and Bishop. Bishop refused, thus causing the queen to rip in half, in anger that he was insulting her cooking skills. Rips and Newt split; as the Queen searches for Newt in the subflooring, the carton opens and one slips into the cracks. The egg proceeds to stick upside down in the flooring, but Newt is terrified at the Queen's cooking skills, I mean anger, that she doesn't notice it and the rest of the movie continues, but with one alternate line:
"Get away from her, you terrible chef." LOL
Oh, the carton can be seen when the airlock sucks out the Queen, as an obscure, grey object.
[close]
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:27:03 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:11:12 PM
I tend to side with 'the path of least making things up'.
As do I. The fact that you, of all people, are now admitting that the theory has some merit is groundbreaking.
Now we just need to reel you in and we don't do that by embellishing the theory with unnecessary additions.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Aug 25, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
Post by: PsyKore on Aug 25, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
I like to believe there is no egg in reality but that the opening sequence is just images presented from the POV of Ripley's semi-conscience dream state. She's essentially hearing what's going on around her but her mind is inferring the images. Everything in the opening sequence is skewed or different in some way: upside-down egg, different appearance of cryo-chambers and Sulaco, etc. What I think happened is just a couple of facehuggers stowed away. And I know it has no weight, but for what it's worth, you hear a facehugger at the end of Aliens' credits.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:33:29 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:33:29 PM
QuoteThe fact that you, of all people, are now admitting that the theory has some merit is groundbreaking.
Had merit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:36:07 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:33:29 PMQuoteThe fact that you, of all people, are now admitting that the theory has some merit is groundbreaking.
Had merit.
Okay, so which part made it lose merit for you?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:42:51 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:42:51 PM
Artificial gravity angle was a good start, but it lost me with teeny proto-facehuggery things.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:42:51 PM
Artificial gravity angle was a good start, but it lost me with teeny proto-facehuggery things.
I think that's why he backpedaled to "spores." They don't need to be ambulatory, just very small and capable of taking root someplace where at least one of them can grow into this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kurai on Aug 25, 2016, 11:56:34 PM
Post by: Kurai on Aug 25, 2016, 11:56:34 PM
Predators wanted something cool to hunt so they broke into the Sulaco and put an Alien egg down whilst giggling to themselves only to realise that they'd messed up the ship while breaking in. They escaped just in time as the Sulaco's cryo-chamber room disengaged itself and began to plummet towards Fiorina 161. The Predator tells his friends down at the Predator pub all about it and so after a little hunt at Area 52, one of his Predator mates decides to go and check it out and finds that WY have made a real mess of things with Aliens on the loose everywhere.
I'm only half joking. XD
I'm only half joking. XD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 12:15:03 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 12:15:03 AM
The energy management and conservation aspect in relation to artificial gravity is still valid.
Even Ripley remarks about reinitialising artificial gravity when the Nostromo is achieving escape velocity. It makes sense the Sulaco has similar power management systems in place.
Aside from any speculation of the Queen's ability to procreate without an egg sac (which really is as open ended* as you can get), the technical aspect of the Sulaco's power management and reduced gravity when all aboard are asleep not only 'has merit' but it's entirely viable from an engineering and energy conservation stand point.
-Windebieste.
*Pun not intended, but you're welcome to it.
EDiT: When I'm mentioning 'spores' I'm not talking literally about spores, like those that are released by ferns or fungi use to propagate, I'm talking about a not quite fully formed facehugger that consists of little more than its essentials. Legless. and just the basics - the tail and a sack of organs that needs to find a safe location where it can become an egg. I'm using the word to describe something where no single word exists.
These 'spores' wouldn't be microscopic, either, they'd be about a foot or so long. Small enough for reduced gravity to allow it to crawl where ever it wants to - including walls and ceilings.
Hell, it's not like 8 foot tall Aliens can't crawl on these surfaces anyway, it's not that unbelievable.
Even Ripley remarks about reinitialising artificial gravity when the Nostromo is achieving escape velocity. It makes sense the Sulaco has similar power management systems in place.
Aside from any speculation of the Queen's ability to procreate without an egg sac (which really is as open ended* as you can get), the technical aspect of the Sulaco's power management and reduced gravity when all aboard are asleep not only 'has merit' but it's entirely viable from an engineering and energy conservation stand point.
-Windebieste.
*Pun not intended, but you're welcome to it.
EDiT: When I'm mentioning 'spores' I'm not talking literally about spores, like those that are released by ferns or fungi use to propagate, I'm talking about a not quite fully formed facehugger that consists of little more than its essentials. Legless. and just the basics - the tail and a sack of organs that needs to find a safe location where it can become an egg. I'm using the word to describe something where no single word exists.
These 'spores' wouldn't be microscopic, either, they'd be about a foot or so long. Small enough for reduced gravity to allow it to crawl where ever it wants to - including walls and ceilings.
Hell, it's not like 8 foot tall Aliens can't crawl on these surfaces anyway, it's not that unbelievable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2016, 12:26:18 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2016, 12:26:18 AM
Even if we accept the spidery little proto-facehuggers, we don't need the gravity to be turned off to explain how they crawled up to the "ceiling." The tiny spider on my wall seems capable of crawling anywhere it wants despite Earth's gravitational pull.
To me, it's just not relevant to the discussion.
And that's where I get lost. Just to explain why we didn't see them, I think the "spores" (in whatever form they took) need to be tiny. Not necessarily microscopic, but small enough to escape notice by the characters and the audience.
Agreed, which is why I think gravity is irrelevant.
To me, it's just not relevant to the discussion.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 12:15:03 AMThese 'spores' wouldn't be microscopic, either, they'd be about a foot or so long. Small enough for reduced gravity to allow it to crawl where ever it wants to - including walls and ceilings.
And that's where I get lost. Just to explain why we didn't see them, I think the "spores" (in whatever form they took) need to be tiny. Not necessarily microscopic, but small enough to escape notice by the characters and the audience.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 12:15:03 AM
Hell, it's not like 8 foot tall Aliens can't crawl on these surfaces anyway, it's not that unbelievable.
Agreed, which is why I think gravity is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 12:34:43 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 12:34:43 AM
Gravity is relevant to the growth of the egg.
As we know, the eggs need to be on a flat surface, preferably the ground. Under low gravity conditions, that limit is reduced and surfaces on walls and floors become viable. Even upside down. Of course, limitations still exist but the egg would be able to grow to full size before gravity starts to affect it. The contents of the egg would increase in mass as it grows and eventually, even reduced gravity would be sufficient to influence the egg to releasing its contents onto the floor.
The fact that the egg is forced to disgorge its contents under these conditions means it does so without the need for a host to approach.
-Windebieste.
EDiT. As for the spores being dropped, there's ample opportunity for the Queen to drop them from her, um, vulva(?). How many long shots of the Queen are there compared to her duration on screen? How often do we see the full floor decking? There's so many close up shots of Ripley operating the loader and the Queen's head, just pick a moment or two. ...or three.
Of course the characters wouldn't notice... Ripley was too engaged in avoiding getting her face pulled off. Bishop was lying on the floor in pieces and Newt was hiding under the grates.
There was no one else to stand back and say "Ooh... what did the Queen just drop? I guess I'd better go clean up that mess when this fight is finished. Where's my popcorn?"
As we know, the eggs need to be on a flat surface, preferably the ground. Under low gravity conditions, that limit is reduced and surfaces on walls and floors become viable. Even upside down. Of course, limitations still exist but the egg would be able to grow to full size before gravity starts to affect it. The contents of the egg would increase in mass as it grows and eventually, even reduced gravity would be sufficient to influence the egg to releasing its contents onto the floor.
The fact that the egg is forced to disgorge its contents under these conditions means it does so without the need for a host to approach.
-Windebieste.
EDiT. As for the spores being dropped, there's ample opportunity for the Queen to drop them from her, um, vulva(?). How many long shots of the Queen are there compared to her duration on screen? How often do we see the full floor decking? There's so many close up shots of Ripley operating the loader and the Queen's head, just pick a moment or two. ...or three.
Of course the characters wouldn't notice... Ripley was too engaged in avoiding getting her face pulled off. Bishop was lying on the floor in pieces and Newt was hiding under the grates.
There was no one else to stand back and say "Ooh... what did the Queen just drop? I guess I'd better go clean up that mess when this fight is finished. Where's my popcorn?"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 12:41:41 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 12:41:41 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2016, 11:52:42 PMQuote from: SM on Aug 25, 2016, 11:42:51 PM
Artificial gravity angle was a good start, but it lost me with teeny proto-facehuggery things.
I think that's why he backpedaled to "spores." They don't need to be ambulatory, just very small and capable of taking root someplace where at least one of them can grow into this.
I just took a look at that scene in Aliens where the Queen is chasing the Newt under the floor grating. You can see the area under the floor quite clearly. It looks nothing like the image above.
I felt that the idea of egg goo dripping onto the grating made sense. Well said Local Trouble. It would have explained why the egg grew upside-down. But it is a very different place than is shown. The egg is not positioned under this same floor. The gravity idea may work, but it all comes across as a real stretch.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2016, 01:13:34 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2016, 01:13:34 AM
Bishops watches the Queen while it chases Newt then during the fight with Ripley. Kinda think he would've noticed the Queen plopping foot long spores. And those foot spores would've got sucked out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 01:48:31 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 01:48:31 AM
Bishop just got torn in half. Relying 100% on a machine that has been torn in half isn't exactly a great idea.
Spores would be able to grasp the floor grating. That point I made earlier.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm just throwing my 2c into the hat. This is an issue that's vexed everyone to date and no one has been able to adequately explain how the egg got there - but those of use that still want to make sense of it will continue to do so. I believe we are getting there, slowly.
-Windebieste
Spores would be able to grasp the floor grating. That point I made earlier.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I'm just throwing my 2c into the hat. This is an issue that's vexed everyone to date and no one has been able to adequately explain how the egg got there - but those of use that still want to make sense of it will continue to do so. I believe we are getting there, slowly.
-Windebieste
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2016, 01:51:02 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2016, 01:51:02 AM
He not only stopped himself being sucked out, but caught the little girl flying past.
I'd call that pretty reliable.
I'd call that pretty reliable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2016, 02:14:56 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2016, 02:14:56 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 12:41:41 AMI just took a look at that scene in Aliens where the Queen is chasing the Newt under the floor grating. You can see the area under the floor quite clearly. It looks nothing like the image above.
I felt that the idea of egg goo dripping onto the grating made sense. Well said Local Trouble. It would have explained why the egg grew upside-down. But it is a very different place than is shown. The egg is not positioned under this same floor. The gravity idea may work, but it all comes across as a real stretch.
You have to take artistic license into consideration. Even the cryotubes were different, but they were clearly intended to be the same ones that we saw at the end of the previous movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 02:18:00 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 26, 2016, 02:18:00 AM
Lucky he was there, huh. Coz he wasn't going to chase her. That would have been hysterical. :laugh: Still, it was a good catch. Not exactly something you would actually want to rely on, hey. He could have just as easily have missed.
In the entire 2 minute sequence, yeah, the Queen could easily drop spores and not get noticed. All that action happening with the Queen beating up on Ripley, flashing lights, grating being pulled up and discarded. There is a lot going on.
Not to mention the fact that no one seems to be concerned about the acid blood that hits the deck when the Queen reveals herself.
You'd think that 'crap that could eat through the hull' might be a concern to Bishop, too. Nope. Never even mentions it. There's so much going on in this scene, you'd miss spores being dropped if it was being viewed for the first time.
There's plenty of room for leveraging the idea into the scene retroactively. I understand that some fans would be upset if that was to happen because: 1). It tampers with the scene the way they have been appreciating it for 30 years. ...and 2). It would go a long way to justify the existence of the third film.
Oh, what a crime that would be! :laugh:
And yes. Artistic licence is all over these movies in so many ways already.
-Windebieste.
In the entire 2 minute sequence, yeah, the Queen could easily drop spores and not get noticed. All that action happening with the Queen beating up on Ripley, flashing lights, grating being pulled up and discarded. There is a lot going on.
Not to mention the fact that no one seems to be concerned about the acid blood that hits the deck when the Queen reveals herself.
You'd think that 'crap that could eat through the hull' might be a concern to Bishop, too. Nope. Never even mentions it. There's so much going on in this scene, you'd miss spores being dropped if it was being viewed for the first time.
There's plenty of room for leveraging the idea into the scene retroactively. I understand that some fans would be upset if that was to happen because: 1). It tampers with the scene the way they have been appreciating it for 30 years. ...and 2). It would go a long way to justify the existence of the third film.
Oh, what a crime that would be! :laugh:
And yes. Artistic licence is all over these movies in so many ways already.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 02:53:00 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 02:53:00 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2016, 02:14:56 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 12:41:41 AMI just took a look at that scene in Aliens where the Queen is chasing the Newt under the floor grating. You can see the area under the floor quite clearly. It looks nothing like the image above.
I felt that the idea of egg goo dripping onto the grating made sense. Well said Local Trouble. It would have explained why the egg grew upside-down. But it is a very different place than is shown. The egg is not positioned under this same floor. The gravity idea may work, but it all comes across as a real stretch.
You have to take artistic license into consideration. Even the cryotubes were different, but they were clearly intended to be the same ones that we saw at the end of the previous movie.
Yes, that's true. Lot's of artistic license. Didn't even notice the different cryotubes.
I prefer the idea of the Queen depositing some eggs. What I don't like about the idea of larva being deposited which then grow their eggs around them is that it lacks elegance. It would mean that the larva goes through 2 gestation periods. Firstly we have the larva which forms and egg around itself (effectively a cocoon). Then once the egg is fully grown, it hatches and out comes the chestburster which in turn has to impregnate something in order for it to gestate until it bursts out. That's one too many steps. Of course the ideas of our terrestrial animal natures doesn't apply to the aliens, but one has to admit that there is a lack of elegance here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2016, 03:25:52 AM
Must one?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 04:27:37 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 04:27:37 AM
Figure of speech.
Do you think it's elegant to have a larva turn into an egg, then from the egg a facehugger, and then finally a mature alien from a host? It's overwrought IMO.
Do you think it's elegant to have a larva turn into an egg, then from the egg a facehugger, and then finally a mature alien from a host? It's overwrought IMO.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Aug 26, 2016, 05:38:06 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Aug 26, 2016, 05:38:06 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 26, 2016, 04:27:37 AM
Figure of speech.
Do you think it's elegant to have a larva turn into an egg, then from the egg a facehugger, and then finally a mature alien from a host? It's overwrought IMO.
It's nowhere as inelegant as what Prometheus depicted with its cycle. Granted, there was some interference by David, but it's not implausible that Aliens and their DNA (or whatever) can be versatile though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 26, 2016, 07:43:38 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 26, 2016, 07:43:38 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 01, 2016, 04:11:57 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 01, 2016, 04:11:57 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 25, 2016, 09:03:56 PM
All of these explanations are within the realm of possibility and are simply dependent on the writer's choice. My gripe with the whole thing is that it is a contrivance which led to a story without grandeur. The end of Aliens suggested that the queen was effectively defeated by Ripley. To say that an egg was either brought on board by the queen, or somehow she laid a tiny one is realistic without argument, but it is also contrived. It just doesn't seem like a natural progression to the story. It seemed like the natural thing to do was to go big and find out where the aliens came from. That was the approach that Mark Verheiden took with his Aliens comics. Instead, after the fans were pumped up by the Aliens film and the comics, we went to a story which seems so unimpactful and literally stalls the progression with some of the main characters. Just take a look at how many pages it is taking for us to come up with an answer to how the egg got on the Sulaco. It is just such an out-of-left-field direction that was taken, that it literally derailed the progress of the story.
What would be natural, is that these characters might get a few decades of some sort of peace after the events in Aliens. It would be unnatural that the aliens' homeworld would be found a few weeks after the events of that film. It would likely take a lot more time before people stumbled onto that planet. So now we are at that stage where, we could get a proper sequel to Aliens, one which moves in a grand direction instead of the unrewarding one we got in Alien 3. We could get that with Blomkamp's film. The key actors are still around, and they are up for it.
This is ridiculous. It's time to let go of the egg on the Sulaco, because most likely, it was never there and go in a better direction for a sequel to Aliens.
Agree agree agree.
In fact on one of the original Aliens DVD's (yes back when dvd's first came out) there was an interview with James Cameron and the guy asked him something about how he came up with the idea for a sequel and James Cameron basically said something like (and i'm paraphrasing):
"well i could have done something silly like have the ship float back to the planet or something silly but what I wanted is for Ripley to make a concious choice to reengage with the alien - the first film she survived physically but not mentally and by the end of this film she survives both physically and mentally"
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 25, 2016, 11:03:17 PM
If you want an explanation of how the egg got on board the Sulaco, then the simplest is the best. In this scenario, you just have to link presence of the Queen to the egg on the ceiling; and then just 'join the dots'.
While I agree the solution is a viable one and answers the biggest problem regarding the egg - it's location - if you want to go with simplest your theory actually adds to and changes the known details.
Would not a simpler theory be one that simply uses established principles of the universe.
1. Queen and a facehugger attached to the queen hop a ride on the dropship.
2.Queen lays egg in drop ship enroute (it can do this without the oviposter because the oviposter simply allows the queen freedom to lay eggs where she wants without having to move around).
3. While queeny is fighting ripley the facehugger moves the egg due to instinct - "don't be where your enemy expects you to be" (which also seems to be in line with the Alien's general nature anyway).
4. Once Queen has been sucked out airlock and Ripley and co have retired to the hypersleep chambers (perhaps even after Ripley gave the dropship landing gear a once over to make sure there were no more nasties) the egg hatches and now there are two facehuggers - one that gets Ripley and one that gets the dog.
Before anyone has a go at me about my earlier statement regarding changing details etc I fully accept that my theory does add in a few things. Obviously there is ZERO precedence for the facehugger attached to the queen in the dropship and also the facehugger moving the egg.
But there is very little that i have in fact changed regarding the established principles of the universe.
Everyone understands the problem:
1. 1 or 2 facehuggers (if you go with the theory that one face hugger or royal facehugger can implant two hosts)
2. Location of one egg that we see.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mustangjeff on Sep 06, 2016, 04:44:11 AM
Post by: Mustangjeff on Sep 06, 2016, 04:44:11 AM
We are putting much more thought into this situation than the writers of ALIEN 3 did. I agree with Perfect-Organism that the whole setup is terribly contrived when viewed in context with ALIENS. As a stand alone alternate universe movie its fine, but IMO its awful as a continuation to ALIENS.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AM
If the Queen was capable of laying an egg after stowing away, there is only one place she would have been able to lay it. That place would have been immediately checked by anyone with half a brain as soon as the Queen had been defeated. Any talk of facehuggers hitching a ride on the Queen and then moving the egg when no-one was looking is laughable nonsense, frankly. I mean, I applaud anyone who has spent the time and effort to come up with any theory to try and compensate for one of the great movie f**k-ups, but I have yet to see one any more believable than "an alien wizard did it".
Alien 3 was just a confused mess from the moment it was conceived. I don't deny that some of those involved did themselves justice with their performances, but they were screwed from the start. I don't have any issue with anyone liking Alien 3, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but I utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
Alien 3 was just a confused mess from the moment it was conceived. I don't deny that some of those involved did themselves justice with their performances, but they were screwed from the start. I don't have any issue with anyone liking Alien 3, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but I utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 07, 2016, 01:23:37 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 07, 2016, 01:23:37 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMInteresting. Sigourney Weaver was satisfied with ending when it debuted, as she wanted, nay, demanded Ripley meet her final doom in the film.
... I don't have any issue with anyone liking Alien 3, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but I utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
PS. I say the mods lock out this thread at page 100. Just to save more pointless repeating. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2016, 01:27:57 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2016, 01:27:57 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AM
If the Queen was capable of laying an egg after stowing away, there is only one place she would have been able to lay it. That place would have been immediately checked by anyone with half a brain as soon as the Queen had been defeated. Any talk of facehuggers hitching a ride on the Queen and then moving the egg when no-one was looking is laughable nonsense, frankly. I mean, I applaud anyone who has spent the time and effort to come up with any theory to try and compensate for one of the great movie f**k-ups, but I have yet to see one any more believable than "an alien wizard did it".
Alien 3 was just a confused mess from the moment it was conceived. I don't deny that some of those involved did themselves justice with their performances, but they were screwed from the start. I don't have any issue with anyone liking Alien 3, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but I utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
Well said. I mean we are down to people coming up with things like "spores" which may have been dropped by the queen and then grown into eggs. The theory isn't bad per se, but the problem is that the audience has to imagine that key piece of information which naturally impacts the story. There is no primer on what the Alien really is capable of, so we are asked to suspend our beliefs or disbeliefs about what we already know about the aliens. The film Aliens, told us that the queen creates a massive egg sac from which she creates eggs that are deposited over time. Now the audience is asked to accept something different biologically that happens off screen (much in the same way as the death of 2 key characters from the previous film but I digress).
That is really just a problem with how the alien got on the ship, not even taking into account the other problems of the film. To really enjoy Aliens 3, just let it go. Forget about how the egg got there or it will ruin the film for you. It just got there, end of story.
I really do like Alien 3. It had amazing sets that are rare for sci-fi in the sense that they are so far from the 2001 aesthetic that they are utterly original. The acting. Those great soul searching moments. The music! Good heavens, the music was nothing short of amazing.
But I agree, it was not a good arc end for Ripley. It is not a film that should have been made as an official sequel to Aliens. It is a film that definitely can be enjoyed on its own merits, but it actually works better I think to see this film without seeing the previous 2, and that is just pointless. There are a few people on here who've seen Alien 3 as their intro to the world of Aliens, and their admiration for the film shows. For many other people, who've seen the films in sequence, this film is jarring in it's way of handling the previously established premises. It was intended to end the series of Ripley's tales. Sigourney Weaver wanted Ripley to come to a fitting end, saying that any one person can only have so much bad luck. True. But then she came back for more in Alien: Resurrection which did even worse things for her character arc.
Bottom line is, Alien 3 is an amazing piece of work that deserves to be admired on its own merits independently of anything that came before or after it. But when it is considered in the context of the Aliens series as a whole, it is the train that went off the tracks.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 07, 2016, 01:23:37 AMQuote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMInteresting. Sigourney Weaver was satisfied with ending when it debuted, as she wanted, nay, demanded Ripley meet her final doom in the film.
... I don't have any issue with anyone liking Alien 3, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but I utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
PS. I say the mods lock out this thread at page 100. Just to save more pointless repeating. :P
It is now legendary how many pages have been spent by fans trying to figure out how the egg go there. It just goes to show how little thought was put into the exposition of the alien getting onto the Sulaco, and belies just how contrived the premise of Alien 3 really was. Still love the film on its own though. (Pssst. Retcon it)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 07, 2016, 01:43:40 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 07, 2016, 01:43:40 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2016, 02:40:54 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2016, 02:40:54 AM
Simple, it's either a flaw of the film or a part of some sort of complex machination which goes beyond what is known to the audience. It's as simple as that.
I really have no interest in belittling anybody for enjoying or even loving this film. It really is a great film on its own merits. I've seen it lots of times and will surely see it again at some point. But the best way to enjoy it, is to get over the egg issue.
I really have no interest in belittling anybody for enjoying or even loving this film. It really is a great film on its own merits. I've seen it lots of times and will surely see it again at some point. But the best way to enjoy it, is to get over the egg issue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 07, 2016, 03:10:38 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 07, 2016, 03:10:38 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AM
If the Queen was capable of laying an egg after stowing away, there is only one place she would have been able to lay it. That place would have been immediately checked by anyone with half a brain as soon as the Queen had been defeated.
Agree.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMAny talk of facehuggers hitching a ride on the Queen and then moving the egg when no-one was looking is laughable nonsense, frankly.
Why?
No one was looking as they were concentrating on the queen.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMI mean, I applaud anyone who has spent the time and effort to come up with any theory to try and compensate for one of the great movie f**k-ups, but I have yet to see one any more believable than "an alien wizard did it".
It's a balls up from the beginning.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMAlien 3 was just a confused mess from the moment it was conceived. I don't deny that some of those involved did themselves justice with their performances, but they were screwed from the start. I don't have any issue with anyone liking Alien 3, everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but I utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
Agree
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2016, 01:27:57 AM
Well said. I mean we are down to people coming up with things like "spores" which may have been dropped by the queen and then grown into eggs. The theory isn't bad per se, but the problem is that the audience has to imagine that key piece of information which naturally impacts the story. There is no primer on what the Alien really is capable of, so we are asked to suspend our beliefs or disbeliefs about what we already know about the aliens. The film Aliens, told us that the queen creates a massive egg sac from which she creates eggs that are deposited over time. Now the audience is asked to accept something different biologically that happens off screen (much in the same way as the death of 2 key characters from the previous film but I digress).
I agree.
It goes for any theory - mine included.
But I think we all accept that that it was a bad premise and badly executed by the film makers. Having said that, and I can't talk for others, but I like thinking things through logically. The alien franchise is one of my favorites and I like thinking things through and devising logical explanations for supposed story problems or supposed plot holes etc. It's who I am.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2016, 01:27:57 AM
That is really just a problem with how the alien got on the ship, not even taking into account the other problems of the film. To really enjoy Aliens 3, just let it go. Forget about how the egg got there or it will ruin the film for you. It just got there, end of story.
Easier said then done for some. See I can't forget about the egg because I am a logical, literal person by nature. It BUGS me.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 07, 2016, 01:27:57 AM
I really do like Alien 3. It had amazing sets that are rare for sci-fi in the sense that they are so far from the 2001 aesthetic that they are utterly original. The acting. Those great soul searching moments. The music! Good heavens, the music was nothing short of amazing.
But I agree, it was not a good arc end for Ripley. It is not a film that should have been made as an official sequel to Aliens. It is a film that definitely can be enjoyed on its own merits, but it actually works better I think to see this film without seeing the previous 2, and that is just pointless. There are a few people on here who've seen Alien 3 as their intro to the world of Aliens, and their admiration for the film shows. For many other people, who've seen the films in sequence, this film is jarring in it's way of handling the previously established premises. It was intended to end the series of Ripley's tales. Sigourney Weaver wanted Ripley to come to a fitting end, saying that any one person can only have so much bad luck. True. But then she came back for more in Alien: Resurrection which did even worse things for her character arc.
Bottom line is, Alien 3 is an amazing piece of work that deserves to be admired on its own merits independently of anything that came before or after it. But when it is considered in the context of the Aliens series as a whole, it is the train that went off the tracks.
I have other issues with Alien 3 besides the egg issue. Whilst I can enjoy it on some level, I still think it is a highly flawed film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2016, 09:05:02 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2016, 09:05:02 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMI utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
I assume you mean the film as a whole, because the scene where Ripley dies is arguably one of the best in the entire series.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 08, 2016, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 08, 2016, 12:22:00 AM
You mean when she died she woke up from her dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 12:36:17 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 12:36:17 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2016, 09:05:02 AMQuote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMI utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
I assume you mean the film as a whole, because the scene where Ripley dies is arguably one of the best in the entire series.
I thought that was a terribly done scene. Aside from the impact to the story, it just didn't look good. I doubt Ripley would have had the strength to break the queen's neck. Also as she falls, she becomes so small that it shows her size relationship to the vat she fell in, which is completely unrealistic. Those vats aren't that big. I like the film overall, but that scene wasn't done very well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2016, 12:37:47 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 08, 2016, 12:37:47 AM
Break the Queen's neck?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 01:13:47 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 01:13:47 AM
Hey wait a minute. I just took a look at that scene again. She doesn't break its neck. She kind of cradles the thing. I could swear I remember her breaking it's neck. If it has a neck. Was there ever a version where she does break its neck?
If not, mea culpa.
If not, mea culpa.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2016, 01:15:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2016, 01:15:39 AM
Are you thinking of AvP?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 01:29:38 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 01:29:38 AM
No. My bad.
Imperfect Organism... :-[
Imperfect Organism... :-[
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2016, 06:24:21 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2016, 06:24:21 AM
Someone mentioned the broken neck thing in another thread but that part was cut after a comprise on the finale if I recall it correctly.
Still, Bishop did it. That is the one, true, perfect answer. Always has been; always will be.
Still, Bishop did it. That is the one, true, perfect answer. Always has been; always will be.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 06:43:46 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 06:43:46 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2016, 06:24:21 AM
Someone mentioned the broken neck thing in another thread but that part was cut after a comprise on the finale if I recall it correctly.
Still, Bishop did it. That is the one, true, perfect answer. Always has been; always will be.
I'm with you on that. I know many don't agree, but that's ok.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 08, 2016, 08:32:33 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 08, 2016, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 12:36:17 AMI thought that was a terribly done scene. Aside from the impact to the story, it just didn't look good.
???
It's probably the most beautifully shot sequence in the entire series, apart from maybe the funeral for Hicks and Newt. Saying it "doesn't look good" is doing it a disservice.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 12:36:17 AMAlso as she falls, she becomes so small that it shows her size relationship to the vat she fell in, which is completely unrealistic. Those vats aren't that big.
She doesn't throw herself into a "vat", she throws herself into the furnace, which the earlier funeral scene already showed us is vast.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2016, 06:24:21 AMStill, Bishop did it. That is the one, true, perfect answer. Always has been; always will be.
If by "perfect" you mean completely sabotaging his character.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2016, 05:09:56 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 08, 2016, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 08, 2016, 08:32:33 AMQuote from: whiterabbit on Sep 08, 2016, 06:24:21 AM
Still, Bishop did it. That is the one, true, perfect answer. Always has been; always will be.
If by "perfect" you mean completely sabotaging his character.
'ken oath!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 08, 2016, 05:18:17 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 08, 2016, 05:18:17 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 12:36:17 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2016, 09:05:02 AMQuote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMI utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
I assume you mean the film as a whole, because the scene where Ripley dies is arguably one of the best in the entire series.
I thought that was a terribly done scene. Aside from the impact to the story, it just didn't look good. I doubt Ripley would have had the strength to break the queen's neck. Also as she falls, she becomes so small that it shows her size relationship to the vat she fell in, which is completely unrealistic. Those vats aren't that big. I like the film overall, but that scene wasn't done very well.
Completely agree. Not much I like about that film anyway, but that scene stood out as one of my least favourite....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Sep 08, 2016, 05:30:41 PM
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Sep 08, 2016, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Sep 08, 2016, 05:18:17 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 12:36:17 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 07, 2016, 09:05:02 AMQuote from: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2016, 12:05:11 AMI utterly reject any notion that it would have been a satisfactory ending for Ripley...
I assume you mean the film as a whole, because the scene where Ripley dies is arguably one of the best in the entire series.
I thought that was a terribly done scene. Aside from the impact to the story, it just didn't look good. I doubt Ripley would have had the strength to break the queen's neck. Also as she falls, she becomes so small that it shows her size relationship to the vat she fell in, which is completely unrealistic. Those vats aren't that big. I like the film overall, but that scene wasn't done very well.
Completely agree. Not much I like about that film anyway, but that scene stood out as one of my least favourite....
I honestly think that scene owes so much to the powerful music.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
I agree about the music. If that scene had any redeeming value, it was the music.
As a matter of fact, I tend to think that the scenes where a character falls to their doom in some sort of lava don't look good on film. I thought Gollum's demise looked terrible too.
As a matter of fact, I tend to think that the scenes where a character falls to their doom in some sort of lava don't look good on film. I thought Gollum's demise looked terrible too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 08, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 08, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 06:23:10 PMThat's because it did look terrible. :P I really wish they had used the book's ending, but then again, when don't we say that.
I thought Gollum's demise looked terrible too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 09, 2016, 12:18:45 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 09, 2016, 12:18:45 AM
He's ignored by the aliens.
Dropped the dropship in the hive
Got a shopping cart.
Strolled the egg aisle.
Picked a juicy one.
Put it in the trunk.
Flew up to rescue Ripley.
All in the nick of time.
...so utterly simple. That's why you find it hard to fathom.
That's his character. A product of WY.
And twitchy.
Though. I still say Alien 3 is a dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 09, 2016, 12:26:03 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 09, 2016, 12:26:03 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 09, 2016, 12:18:45 AM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160909/ba9ab9d3ac5d4d45d2698278e3062253.jpg
He's ignored by the aliens.
Dropped the dropship in the hive
Got a shopping cart.
Strolled the egg aisle.
Picked a juicy one.
Put it in the trunk.
Flew up to rescue Ripley.
All in the nick of time.
...so utterly simple. That's why you find it hard to fathom.
That's his character. A product of WY.
And twitchy.
Though. I still say Alien 3 is a dream.
No, I think it was like this.
He got out of the crawl service tunnel.
He arrived at an area where there were some eggs. There is nothing to imply that they were all at the processing station. Maybe the aliens moved them around in search of Newt?
He put them on the drop ship in a cargo locker.
Went to pick up Ripley.
I really don't want to get into this polemic again though. It could have happened, or not. I enjoy my Alien 3 regardless of how it happened, in the hopes that someday soon it will be retconned.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 09, 2016, 03:29:39 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 09, 2016, 03:29:39 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 08, 2016, 08:32:33 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 08, 2016, 12:36:17 AMI thought that was a terribly done scene. Aside from the impact to the story, it just didn't look good.
???
It's probably the most beautifully shot sequence in the entire series, apart from maybe the funeral for Hicks and Newt. Saying it "doesn't look good" is doing it a disservice.
I don't think the way it was shot was anything fantastic at all.
And while I hate that Hicks and Newt were killed off I think the funeral scene for them was shot beautifully. I mean I hate the whole premise etc and think it was ridiculous that they were killed off but I can appreciate the beauty of that funeral scene.
The ending - Ripley's sacrifice - I don't get the same feel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 09, 2016, 03:52:08 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 09, 2016, 03:52:08 AM
Exactly. The way it came across to me was: Sigourney Weaver glorification. She wanted to have a big cinematic moment and well, she fell flat, and burned. The whole movie was forced as if for the purpose of glorifying an actress, and that final scene was just a culmination of that. It was obscene and way too much of a spotlight moment.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2016, 04:03:24 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 09, 2016, 04:03:24 AM
In my opinion, that was a big downside to Weaver getting an Oscar nomination for Aliens. In lieu of a sequel that advanced the story about the more interesting alien, it became even more Ripley-centric.
The development hell that Alien 3 went through indicates that they could never decide between making a sci-fi/horror tentpole or some kind of Oscar bait art film, so we ended up with a strange hodgepodge of the two.
The development hell that Alien 3 went through indicates that they could never decide between making a sci-fi/horror tentpole or some kind of Oscar bait art film, so we ended up with a strange hodgepodge of the two.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 09, 2016, 04:25:33 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 09, 2016, 04:25:33 AM
And now she wants an encore! Wiiipeeeee it's the Ripely dippely do franchise and it's mine all mine!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2016, 04:40:27 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2016, 04:40:27 AM
Newflash - the central character in a film is central in a film.
In other news, water is wet.
In other news, water is wet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Sep 09, 2016, 04:48:51 AM
Post by: stephen on Sep 09, 2016, 04:48:51 AM
I agree with SM - it's not that it was about Ripley. It's more just the theme of it and just being a bit lucklustre.
I mean it could have been good but personally feel that it didn't hit the mark.
I mean it could have been good but personally feel that it didn't hit the mark.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 09, 2016, 05:13:13 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 09, 2016, 05:13:13 AM
Yes, there's something to be said for the central character being the central character, but there's something to be said for hubris and humility. What worked so well about Weaver's performance in Aliens was how humble she was, and how vulnerable she was as a person, while still being Rambo. That is because she didn't set out to be Rambo, it was forced upon her. She was a reluctant hero much like Frodo. Frodo never wanted the ring, but he knew he had to carry it. Ripley didn't want her task but she knew she had to rise to the occasion every time, because the people around her just didn't get it.
It was Weaver who wanted to reclaim the limelight in Alien 3. She didn't want to share it with the other actors who survived Aliens with her. Even though her film was about personal sacrifice, her hubris as an actor infected the story of the film, and she became overexposed. She overdid it. Its overexposure at its worst. But who could blame her?
Sigourney Weaver is older now. With that comes maturity. She has a chance to ignore that film that she did once to serve her own ego, and to let her character be the integral part of a much better story that she was meant to be. The task at hand for her is one of restraint, not over-zealousness. She will be sharing the stage with someone who truly deserves another good kick at the can, and hopefully that means that she will recognize Ripley's strengths and play the character right this time. Its about the story Sigourney!
It was Weaver who wanted to reclaim the limelight in Alien 3. She didn't want to share it with the other actors who survived Aliens with her. Even though her film was about personal sacrifice, her hubris as an actor infected the story of the film, and she became overexposed. She overdid it. Its overexposure at its worst. But who could blame her?
Sigourney Weaver is older now. With that comes maturity. She has a chance to ignore that film that she did once to serve her own ego, and to let her character be the integral part of a much better story that she was meant to be. The task at hand for her is one of restraint, not over-zealousness. She will be sharing the stage with someone who truly deserves another good kick at the can, and hopefully that means that she will recognize Ripley's strengths and play the character right this time. Its about the story Sigourney!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2016, 06:03:47 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 09, 2016, 06:03:47 AM
QuoteIt was Weaver who wanted to reclaim the limelight in Alien 3. She didn't want to share it with the other actors who survived Aliens with her. Even though her film was about personal sacrifice, her hubris as an actor infected the story of the film, and she became overexposed. She overdid it. Its overexposure at its worst. But who could blame her?
One script had Hicks. Twohy and Red both wrote scripts with no characters from Aliens. That was before Ward brought her back sans Hicks and Newt.
But apparently Weaver was the one who wanted to make it all about her.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AM
When you fact-checked the WYR, surely you came across this excerpt on page 125:
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it). Can you even say if that was Perry's idea or does your NDA mean no further enhancement?
Either way, this is for HuDaFuk:
QuoteThe other, more likely, theory posits that the queen deposited a resinous egg sac in the landing gear of the dropship, or flung some amount of egg-forming material from her body once the ship was back on board the Sulaco.
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it). Can you even say if that was Perry's idea or does your NDA mean no further enhancement?
Either way, this is for HuDaFuk:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
Vindication!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 12:50:19 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 12:50:19 AM
Yeah that was on Danelle's original manuscript.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 01:02:28 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 01:02:28 AM
Did you make it known that you frowned upon it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:03:41 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:03:41 AM
Why would I do that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 02:08:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 02:08:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:03:41 AM
Why would I do that?
Because you originally said this about it:
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2012, 04:38:18 AM
I don't think it's remotely feasible, personally.
Why bother with the egg sac then? She can spread shoot out mini eggs where she please and they'll grow into proper eggs, and she won't be tied to the one spot.
Has your opinion changed since then?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:16:59 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:16:59 AM
Yeah my stance on that changed recently. I now think it's remotely feasible.
But re-reading a four year old conversation, I don't think it was just congealing goo. The Queen bioscan in the Pickett script shows thousands of tiny microscopic eggs, so the Queen is born with every egg she's ever going to lay. So it's possible she plopped out a small egg - maybe emu egg size - stuck it in the dropship coated in whatever goo sits in the egg sac. Because of the limited amount of egg sac fluid, it takes a lot longer to reach maturity hence the time lag between Aliens and Alien3.
But re-reading a four year old conversation, I don't think it was just congealing goo. The Queen bioscan in the Pickett script shows thousands of tiny microscopic eggs, so the Queen is born with every egg she's ever going to lay. So it's possible she plopped out a small egg - maybe emu egg size - stuck it in the dropship coated in whatever goo sits in the egg sac. Because of the limited amount of egg sac fluid, it takes a lot longer to reach maturity hence the time lag between Aliens and Alien3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 02:27:21 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 02:27:21 AM
Regardless of the form it took, why must it still be in the dropship? If she could have "flung" it, couldn't it have landed and stuck pretty much anywhere in the hangar bay?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:31:38 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:31:38 AM
It could have.
Danelle's description is necessarily non specific.
Danelle's description is necessarily non specific.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 02:41:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 02:41:45 AM
Did I miss something, or was the "Bishop did it" theory not even dignified with a passing reference? :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:44:09 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 10, 2016, 02:44:09 AM
Never a consideration to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 03:00:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 03:00:34 AM
Did you not attempt to rectify that oversight?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BR1XER on Sep 10, 2016, 06:19:44 AM
Post by: BR1XER on Sep 10, 2016, 06:19:44 AM
I think whoever was in charge of the concept implied that the Alien was an unescapable entity - a force of nature that would not fail to get you, no matter how many precautions you took.
The audience took it and thought, "Yeah, well, that's nice and poetic an' all, but would you explain where it came from?"
The audience took it and thought, "Yeah, well, that's nice and poetic an' all, but would you explain where it came from?"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Bishop did it.
Again why the egg sack...because the thousands of eggs the Queen is born with need a vessel to leave her body.
Throwing the eggs now. Jeezus
You guys are making crap up to support your own crappola goo dripping carrying egg on back theory.
Just accept it was a egg stuck there for the convenience of a bad sequel.
Again why the egg sack...because the thousands of eggs the Queen is born with need a vessel to leave her body.
Throwing the eggs now. Jeezus
You guys are making crap up to support your own crappola goo dripping carrying egg on back theory.
Just accept it was a egg stuck there for the convenience of a bad sequel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 11:07:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 11:07:23 PM
Should we just listen to what we're saying? Is it paranoid delusion? Is it pathetic?
You should present your case to SM. I'm confident of your chances.
You should present your case to SM. I'm confident of your chances.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 10, 2016, 11:48:28 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 10, 2016, 11:48:28 PM
SM stated the egg sack only theory.
Read above.
Only to reneg on it.
The real SM wouldn't of done that.
Read above.
Only to reneg on it.
The real SM wouldn't of done that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 11:51:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 11:51:30 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 10, 2016, 11:48:28 PM
SM stated the egg sack only theory.
Read above.
Only to reneg on it.
The real SM wouldn't of done that.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160910/6d31dc5ddcc62774b63a93a128c6005f.jpg
What would the real SM of done?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 11, 2016, 12:19:26 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 11, 2016, 12:19:26 AM
SM would have blown up this thread and all it's lunacy theories many pages ago. Except for LocalTrouble's theory, of course.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 12:40:38 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 12:40:38 AM
I think the entity masquerading as SM should submit itself to a Voight-Kampff test.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 01:15:54 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 01:15:54 AM
Is that the theory where the Queen is still capable of producing premature offspring without the need for the egg sac? The egg sac is only an incubator for growing the eggs. Yeah. I subscribe to the that theory but have my own spin on it.
If you accept the The Queen is still capable of creating offspring, then all you have to do is connect that offspring to the egg on the ceiling in the hypersleep room. It's not that hard to do, actually. As we can't know everything about the Queen then there's plenty of leeway to do so.
Here's my take on the entire sequence regarding getting that egg in place. It's a lengthy read, but it's all there...
The Queen drops a few proto face huggers on to the deck from the remains of the part of its body that was attached to the eggsac. These protofacehuggers, as speculation permits, are only partially formed. To become a complete facehugger, they need the egg; and as the eggsac is not present they lack the necessary environment to become fully formed via conventional/accepted means.
Let's just say that these incomplete facehuggers are capable of one thing during this very vulnerable stage - SURVIVAL. They lack the grasping spindly legs but their tail and other functionality is present. They are the most rudimentary stage of the facehugger that is capable of survival. The strong tail is capable on its own to make the proto facehugger (earlier in this thread I referred to this stage as a 'spore' but it was clearly misunderstood - so I'm spelling the concept out more clearly here).
These are dropped during the fight between Ripley and the Queen. As to whether they get noticed by anyone? Let's just say they don't for the sake of getting an explanation happening here.
Anyway the proto facehuggers are still highly mobile and IMMEDIATELY use their strong tails to seek cover. Blink and you miss it move. Just think of the spring loaded tail suddenly propelling the spore and you can imagine how easier it would be to miss during that scene which was loaded with commotion, anyway.
They find cover, migrate around the ship and by the time Ripley's 2 minute confrontation with the Queen is over, they've already found safe cover.
Ripley and co. then hit the sack, and these proto facehuggers are still loose on the ship. Hell, maybe even Bishop knows they are there. He seems to anyway as indicated by dialogue in the third movie.
So, they go to sleep and these proto facehuggers are free roaming around the ship and need a place to 'roost'. The ship powers down (I've outlined this process above somewhere above as to why this is necessary.) Gravity is reduced to 10, maybe 20%. The reduced gravity affords (at least one) of the proto facehuggers even greater mobility and it attaches itself to the ceiling in the hypersleep pod chamber. It nestles there because it knows that potential hosts are resting nearby. At this stage, it's still essentially just a tail attached to some organs in a ball bag, needing a safe place to mature.
Now, it needs to grow. So it sends out tendrils and it roots itself in place using the very ceiling as a place to grow an egg around it so it can mature fully inside. It keeps increasing in size on the ceiling while it draws nutrients from the conduits, pipes and airlines that would be in abundance in this location to service the hypersleep pods. Eventually, it grows into a full size egg, hanging on the ceiling.
Now, we know that the eggs are opened when someone else approaches them but no one is going to do so while they are all in hypersleep. The nature of the inverted egg actually provides us with the triggering of the now matured facehugger. Even at 10%, gravity would be adequate to disturb the growing contents of the egg(s). It opens when the mass is pressing against the inside of the upside down flaps and the egg has no choice but to open and release the now fully formed facehugger onto the floor right next the occupied hypersleep pods.
So, yes. It can be explained. Is it canon? No. But without such speculations, we are at a loss how this egg came to be in this location. I acknowledge that this theory may not be fully water tight - but there are other elements of these movies that lack credibility, too (artificial gravity for one, distance between planets is another, keep looking and you'll find all the debates strewn across these forums for more.) There's always a threshold where we must accept that somehow this can be explained, though.
Of course, some people DON'T WANT IT EXPLAINED for the simple reason it validates 'ALIEN 3's existence even more. Well, I got News for you. The movie has been around for nigh on a Quarter of a Century. It's time to accept that.
-Windebieste.
If you accept the The Queen is still capable of creating offspring, then all you have to do is connect that offspring to the egg on the ceiling in the hypersleep room. It's not that hard to do, actually. As we can't know everything about the Queen then there's plenty of leeway to do so.
Here's my take on the entire sequence regarding getting that egg in place. It's a lengthy read, but it's all there...
The Queen drops a few proto face huggers on to the deck from the remains of the part of its body that was attached to the eggsac. These protofacehuggers, as speculation permits, are only partially formed. To become a complete facehugger, they need the egg; and as the eggsac is not present they lack the necessary environment to become fully formed via conventional/accepted means.
Let's just say that these incomplete facehuggers are capable of one thing during this very vulnerable stage - SURVIVAL. They lack the grasping spindly legs but their tail and other functionality is present. They are the most rudimentary stage of the facehugger that is capable of survival. The strong tail is capable on its own to make the proto facehugger (earlier in this thread I referred to this stage as a 'spore' but it was clearly misunderstood - so I'm spelling the concept out more clearly here).
These are dropped during the fight between Ripley and the Queen. As to whether they get noticed by anyone? Let's just say they don't for the sake of getting an explanation happening here.
Anyway the proto facehuggers are still highly mobile and IMMEDIATELY use their strong tails to seek cover. Blink and you miss it move. Just think of the spring loaded tail suddenly propelling the spore and you can imagine how easier it would be to miss during that scene which was loaded with commotion, anyway.
They find cover, migrate around the ship and by the time Ripley's 2 minute confrontation with the Queen is over, they've already found safe cover.
Ripley and co. then hit the sack, and these proto facehuggers are still loose on the ship. Hell, maybe even Bishop knows they are there. He seems to anyway as indicated by dialogue in the third movie.
So, they go to sleep and these proto facehuggers are free roaming around the ship and need a place to 'roost'. The ship powers down (I've outlined this process above somewhere above as to why this is necessary.) Gravity is reduced to 10, maybe 20%. The reduced gravity affords (at least one) of the proto facehuggers even greater mobility and it attaches itself to the ceiling in the hypersleep pod chamber. It nestles there because it knows that potential hosts are resting nearby. At this stage, it's still essentially just a tail attached to some organs in a ball bag, needing a safe place to mature.
Now, it needs to grow. So it sends out tendrils and it roots itself in place using the very ceiling as a place to grow an egg around it so it can mature fully inside. It keeps increasing in size on the ceiling while it draws nutrients from the conduits, pipes and airlines that would be in abundance in this location to service the hypersleep pods. Eventually, it grows into a full size egg, hanging on the ceiling.
Now, we know that the eggs are opened when someone else approaches them but no one is going to do so while they are all in hypersleep. The nature of the inverted egg actually provides us with the triggering of the now matured facehugger. Even at 10%, gravity would be adequate to disturb the growing contents of the egg(s). It opens when the mass is pressing against the inside of the upside down flaps and the egg has no choice but to open and release the now fully formed facehugger onto the floor right next the occupied hypersleep pods.
So, yes. It can be explained. Is it canon? No. But without such speculations, we are at a loss how this egg came to be in this location. I acknowledge that this theory may not be fully water tight - but there are other elements of these movies that lack credibility, too (artificial gravity for one, distance between planets is another, keep looking and you'll find all the debates strewn across these forums for more.) There's always a threshold where we must accept that somehow this can be explained, though.
Of course, some people DON'T WANT IT EXPLAINED for the simple reason it validates 'ALIEN 3's existence even more. Well, I got News for you. The movie has been around for nigh on a Quarter of a Century. It's time to accept that.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 01:25:42 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 01:25:42 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 01:15:54 AMOf course, some people DON'T WANT IT EXPLAINED for the simple reason it validates 'ALIEN 3's existence even more. Well, I got News for you. The movie has been around for nigh on a Quarter of a Century. It's time to accept that.
I don't think Vermillion wants it explained.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 02:19:15 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 02:19:15 AM
Rather than have the studio explain it, some people would rather a retcon.
They'd rather have 70 year old Ripley run around with a flamethrower toasting aliens, left right and center. They'd like to pretend that it's a better solution to excise half the series rather than make a 5th movie that retains continuity and attempts to explain this problem.
They'd rather live in the past Glories of James Cameron and pretend it's still 1986. Nonetheless, this situation has always been recoverable but some people just don't want that.
It's kind of sad, actually, that Fox chose to take the direction they did - and then mess it up. Not messed up entirely, just enough to make things difficult for everyone, themselves included. It's too bad Blomkamp wasn't around to make this proposal in 1988. Everyone would be on board with that! Too bad that's not how things happened.
1988... think about how many years that's been and the problems with his current proposal begin to show the deficiencies and challenges it needs to address now. How different the whole series would have been if only someone had made his proposal almost 30 years ago...
I still want to see Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN 5' and he is also in a great position to responsibly tie this series together without unbalancing the whole series. It's just saddening to see that he's embraced the most banal path possible. A retcon is not favourable with everyone; and certainly not guaranteed to be a great movie.
I hope he wakes up and realises that. I hope he wakes up and realises he's in a great position to make everyone happy by delivering a movie that pleases just about everyone by not just pandering the anti 'ALIEN 3' Boo-Hoo Brigade. About half the people don't want a retcon. Yeah, it's a high ratio. He can do better than that.
-Windebieste.
They'd rather have 70 year old Ripley run around with a flamethrower toasting aliens, left right and center. They'd like to pretend that it's a better solution to excise half the series rather than make a 5th movie that retains continuity and attempts to explain this problem.
They'd rather live in the past Glories of James Cameron and pretend it's still 1986. Nonetheless, this situation has always been recoverable but some people just don't want that.
It's kind of sad, actually, that Fox chose to take the direction they did - and then mess it up. Not messed up entirely, just enough to make things difficult for everyone, themselves included. It's too bad Blomkamp wasn't around to make this proposal in 1988. Everyone would be on board with that! Too bad that's not how things happened.
1988... think about how many years that's been and the problems with his current proposal begin to show the deficiencies and challenges it needs to address now. How different the whole series would have been if only someone had made his proposal almost 30 years ago...
I still want to see Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN 5' and he is also in a great position to responsibly tie this series together without unbalancing the whole series. It's just saddening to see that he's embraced the most banal path possible. A retcon is not favourable with everyone; and certainly not guaranteed to be a great movie.
I hope he wakes up and realises that. I hope he wakes up and realises he's in a great position to make everyone happy by delivering a movie that pleases just about everyone by not just pandering the anti 'ALIEN 3' Boo-Hoo Brigade. About half the people don't want a retcon. Yeah, it's a high ratio. He can do better than that.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 02:51:13 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 02:51:13 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 02:19:15 AMThey'd rather have 70 year old Ripley run around with a flamethrower toasting aliens, left right and center. They'd like to pretend that it's a better solution to excise half the series rather than make a 5th movie that retains continuity and attempts to explain this problem.
Fox is probably thinking "well, if Harrison Ford did it..."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 02:53:27 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 02:53:27 AM
Winde, Winde, Winde. Sigh..................... Face palm.
There are no useful stats which show that 50% of the people don't want the retcon. We have about 30 voters on here whose vote in the overall scheme of things is insignificant. But assuming there is a 50% split, that still means 50% of the people don't want Alien 3 to remain in canon. That kind of number does not apply to Alien and Aliens does it? There's a reason for that.
I've accepted the fact that it is impossible to please everybody. Why can't you be realistic and understand that nobody involved with the series wants to do a follow-up to Resurrection? And if they don't want to do that, well it would make even less sense to squeeze in a follow-up to Alien 3. Nobody will touch a sequel to either of those films with a ten foot pole. So either they can can move forward in time and do some film post-Resurrection that is completely unrelated to that film and the main core Ripley-oriented story, or they can go straight for the golden opportunity of continuing from Aliens which arguably has a better chance of success as a film because it deals with characters and situations that a lot of people care about. If you were in the producer's shoes, where would you put your money? Be realistic.
"anti 'ALIEN 3' Boo-Hoo Brigade"? Really? What are we 5? You don't see anybody calling you a member of the "anti-Blomkamp-Alien Boo Hoo Brigade"...
Anyway, back on topic. Bishop probably did it. Until Blomkamp's film happens, and then that rotten old tree just never fell in that forest.
There are no useful stats which show that 50% of the people don't want the retcon. We have about 30 voters on here whose vote in the overall scheme of things is insignificant. But assuming there is a 50% split, that still means 50% of the people don't want Alien 3 to remain in canon. That kind of number does not apply to Alien and Aliens does it? There's a reason for that.
I've accepted the fact that it is impossible to please everybody. Why can't you be realistic and understand that nobody involved with the series wants to do a follow-up to Resurrection? And if they don't want to do that, well it would make even less sense to squeeze in a follow-up to Alien 3. Nobody will touch a sequel to either of those films with a ten foot pole. So either they can can move forward in time and do some film post-Resurrection that is completely unrelated to that film and the main core Ripley-oriented story, or they can go straight for the golden opportunity of continuing from Aliens which arguably has a better chance of success as a film because it deals with characters and situations that a lot of people care about. If you were in the producer's shoes, where would you put your money? Be realistic.
"anti 'ALIEN 3' Boo-Hoo Brigade"? Really? What are we 5? You don't see anybody calling you a member of the "anti-Blomkamp-Alien Boo Hoo Brigade"...
Anyway, back on topic. Bishop probably did it. Until Blomkamp's film happens, and then that rotten old tree just never fell in that forest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 03:23:55 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 03:23:55 AM
There're also no useful statistics that support the retcon, either; but I can tell you, the number of people who are against it is substantial.
Oh, and I'm not anti Blomkamp, either. I've stated it many times. I'm all for him making a new entry in this series. I just don't think his current retcon proposal is all that constructive. It's banal, inane, childish and if anything...
it's aimed at 5 year olds. :laugh:
Bishop probably did it. Why not? It's as valid a reason as any.
-Windebieste.
Oh, and I'm not anti Blomkamp, either. I've stated it many times. I'm all for him making a new entry in this series. I just don't think his current retcon proposal is all that constructive. It's banal, inane, childish and if anything...
it's aimed at 5 year olds. :laugh:
Bishop probably did it. Why not? It's as valid a reason as any.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 03:29:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 03:29:34 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 02:53:27 AMBishop probably did it.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 03:33:30 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 03:33:30 AM
The truth is Bishop could have done it while adhering to his code of morality. He could have been thinking that he was doing it for the greater good. The details of this greater good, the people on the mission were just not privy to.
I don't care to spend the next 3 years of my life arguing about this retcon. All I can say is that I really hope he does a good film and that he gets his chance to do it. There is no implication that the film will have a Disney vibe, but am I concerned about that? You bet. Can he screw it up? You bet. Is it really worth it? It's just a movie. It's just a movie.
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 03:23:55 AM
There're also no useful statistics that support the retcon, either; but I can tell you, the number of people who are against it is substantial.
Oh, and I'm not anti Blomkamp, either. I've stated it many times. I'm all for him making a new entry in this series. I just don't think his current retcon proposal is all that constructive. It's banal, inane, childish and if anything...
it's aimed at 5 year olds. :laugh:
Bishop probably did it. Why not? It's as valid a reason as any.
-Windebieste.
I don't care to spend the next 3 years of my life arguing about this retcon. All I can say is that I really hope he does a good film and that he gets his chance to do it. There is no implication that the film will have a Disney vibe, but am I concerned about that? You bet. Can he screw it up? You bet. Is it really worth it? It's just a movie. It's just a movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 04:09:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 04:09:58 AM
How funny will it be when Blomkamp's retcon has infuriating continuity gaffes of its own?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 04:45:26 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 04:45:26 AM
You might even like to consider the possibility of a retcon, by its nature, to be a 'continuity gaffe'.
lol.
-Windebieste.
lol.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 06:28:04 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 06:28:04 AM
Have we reached a consensus yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2016, 07:45:31 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2016, 07:45:31 AM
QuoteThere're also no useful statistics that support the retcon, either; but I can tell you, the number of people who are against it is substantial.
When this dropped I spoke to a lot of people about it, many who are massive fans and involved in the franchise, and to a man, they were for it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 08:56:10 AM
That's funny. :D Imagine, the skewed result you get when you're in a position to choose who to talk to. lol.
You can't say there's 100% support for the retcon, though. When that's simply just not the case.
-Windebieste.
You can't say there's 100% support for the retcon, though. When that's simply just not the case.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 11, 2016, 10:55:04 AM
I didn't suggest there was 100% support.
Merely illustrating the uselessness of anecdotes.
Merely illustrating the uselessness of anecdotes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 11, 2016, 11:41:20 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 11, 2016, 11:41:20 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 06:28:04 AMNever!
Have we reached a consensus yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 11, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 11, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
It's real simple.
The Queen squeezed a little egg out and stuck it on the wall. It eventually grew, that's why everyone missed it. And if that's not possible, than Alien 3 and 4 are just dreams.
BIshop or Burke would not stick a big egg on the wall like that.
You forgot to add a few things.
Took the nice juicy fat egg out of the trunk.
Stuck it with crazy glue right next to the entrance door and perhaps put a cover over it.
Added a coat hanger in front of it.
The Queen squeezed a little egg out and stuck it on the wall. It eventually grew, that's why everyone missed it. And if that's not possible, than Alien 3 and 4 are just dreams.
BIshop or Burke would not stick a big egg on the wall like that.
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 09, 2016, 12:18:45 AM
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160909/ba9ab9d3ac5d4d45d2698278e3062253.jpg
He's ignored by the aliens.
Dropped the dropship in the hive
Got a shopping cart.
Strolled the egg aisle.
Picked a juicy one.
Put it in the trunk.
Flew up to rescue Ripley.
All in the nick of time.
...so utterly simple. That's why you find it hard to fathom.
That's his character. A product of WY.
And twitchy.
Though. I still say Alien 3 is a dream.
You forgot to add a few things.
Took the nice juicy fat egg out of the trunk.
Stuck it with crazy glue right next to the entrance door and perhaps put a cover over it.
Added a coat hanger in front of it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 11, 2016, 12:47:59 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 11, 2016, 12:47:59 PM
I'll propose a new theory... since that egg looks nothing like the ones inside the hive. It's a new species of alien Bishop recovered from med-lab. A mobile egg that broke out of holding, took a walk and just loves to plant itself upside down in high spots. This also explains the difference in facehugger properties.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Sep 11, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Sep 11, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
Let's not forget there are 2 eggs, and I'm presuming a Queen Facehugger egg is much larger than its counterpart. How did they miss that one too?
The fact is it ultimately comes down to lazy script writing. They didn't care, they just wanted the convenience of two eggs being on the Sulaco from the beginning so the movie can get the ball rolling. The only explanation is that two eggs appeared out of thin air.
That was why the first half of Alien 3 was such a hard pill to swallow. I'm watching a facehugger who shouldn't be there, causing a fire which made them get launched off in an escape pod and have 2 of the main cast, one of which was Ripley's whole purpose, die without a single line of dialogue. It was a real 'screw you' to fans of Aliens. I was looking forward to the continuing adventures of the Hadley's Hope Survivors. The worst part is I've thought of ever conceivable scenario to explain the eggs being there, and there doesn't seem to be a watertight reason for 2 main characters dying so unceremoniously. Their deaths were revealed to the viewer through a green LED computer display like the bloody Oregon Trail game.
After that is dealt with, from the funeral onwards, the movie vastly improves.
The fact is it ultimately comes down to lazy script writing. They didn't care, they just wanted the convenience of two eggs being on the Sulaco from the beginning so the movie can get the ball rolling. The only explanation is that two eggs appeared out of thin air.
That was why the first half of Alien 3 was such a hard pill to swallow. I'm watching a facehugger who shouldn't be there, causing a fire which made them get launched off in an escape pod and have 2 of the main cast, one of which was Ripley's whole purpose, die without a single line of dialogue. It was a real 'screw you' to fans of Aliens. I was looking forward to the continuing adventures of the Hadley's Hope Survivors. The worst part is I've thought of ever conceivable scenario to explain the eggs being there, and there doesn't seem to be a watertight reason for 2 main characters dying so unceremoniously. Their deaths were revealed to the viewer through a green LED computer display like the bloody Oregon Trail game.
After that is dealt with, from the funeral onwards, the movie vastly improves.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
There are those on this forum who have concocted an idea that the queen egg comes with a drone facehugger and a queen facehugger all in one. ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Master on Sep 11, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
Post by: Master on Sep 11, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
It's royal facehugger actually. It makes queen and her protector. Makes sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Sep 11, 2016, 06:10:00 PM
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Sep 11, 2016, 06:10:00 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
There are those on this forum who have concocted an idea that the queen egg comes with a drone facehugger and a queen facehugger all in one. ::)
I'd mock them but I've had the same idea myself as a way to explain things.
One idea I had was that the royal facehugger carries an egg so the whole thing is a biological grenade - Infiltrates, deposits egg to make a drone protector then produces Queen. The royal facehugger is a contingency plan which awakens when the hive is destroyed to start anew.
So - Hive is destroyed by Ripley, royal facehugger awakens - This might explain why it was oddly glued to the ceiling - The royal facehugger scurried up there to plant it after stowing on the dropship.
But again, it's just clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 06:30:33 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 06:30:33 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 05:40:17 PMThere are those on this forum who have concocted an idea that the queen egg comes with a drone facehugger and a queen facehugger all in one. ::)
By "those on this forum" I guess you must mean "the people who made the movie", seeing as it was they who came up with the idea of the two-in-one "Super Facehugger", before it got cut from the theatrical version of the movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 06:36:13 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 06:36:13 PM
There was a pretty good explanation on here as to why it would be glued to the ceiling. During travel, the artificial gravity is shut down 90%. Besides, it probably wasn't the ceiling. That could have been the floor girders just below the tiling where Newt was hanging out. So some egg goo gets deposited on the floor. It grows when everyone is sleeping. The egg is fine upside down when there is minimal gravity.
It's still convoluted and contrived but I guess it could work. It really asks the viewer to figure it out, while in truth it was just lazy writing. Look how many pages have been spent arguing about how the egg got there. 91 PAGES! If it made sense, this topic wouldn't exist.
Is that right? I did not know that. Regardless, as it was cut from the film, it seems many people might have had a similar idea as it kind of makes sense. It's still a big stretch to ask the audience to figure that out.
It's still convoluted and contrived but I guess it could work. It really asks the viewer to figure it out, while in truth it was just lazy writing. Look how many pages have been spent arguing about how the egg got there. 91 PAGES! If it made sense, this topic wouldn't exist.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 06:30:33 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 05:40:17 PMThere are those on this forum who have concocted an idea that the queen egg comes with a drone facehugger and a queen facehugger all in one. ::)
By "those on this forum" I guess you must mean "the people who made the movie", seeing as it was they who came up with the idea of the two-in-one "Super Facehugger", before it got cut from the theatrical version of the movie.
Is that right? I did not know that. Regardless, as it was cut from the film, it seems many people might have had a similar idea as it kind of makes sense. It's still a big stretch to ask the audience to figure that out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 07:40:37 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 07:40:37 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 06:36:13 PMDuring travel, the artificial gravity is shut down 90%.
Says who?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 06:36:13 PMIt's still a big stretch to ask the audience to figure that out.
Not really. The new design was noticeably bigger and looked different, and there are two Aliens in the film, one of which is a Queen. It hardly would've taken a PhD in astrophysics to work out what had gone on.
By changing it to a regular Facehugger they made things more confusing, because there isn't the visual difference to guide the viewer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 11, 2016, 08:10:14 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Sep 11, 2016, 08:10:14 PM
Quote from: Master on Sep 11, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
It's royal facehugger actually. It makes queen and her protector. Makes sense.
The Assembly Cut shows two different facehuggers.The 'royal' and a regular one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Sep 11, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
Post by: colonialmarine9 on Sep 11, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
Does the magic egg really matter that much? I know that it is not shown how it got there but who cares, after all we accept that Ripley's arm can withstand the vacuum of space and we don't see the queen get inside the dropship's landing gear but it happened. How the egg got on the Sulaco doesn't matter, the queen somehow put it on the ship, the egg is there just accept it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 09:12:46 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 11, 2016, 07:45:31 AMQuoteThere're also no useful statistics that support the retcon, either; but I can tell you, the number of people who are against it is substantial.
When this dropped I spoke to a lot of people about it, many who are massive fans and involved in the franchise, and to a man, they were for it.
Just to put that into perspective, the folks at Gearbox Software are also "massive fans." Would you want Mikey Neumann anywhere near the production of this film?
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 05:40:17 PM
There are those on this forum who have concocted an idea that the queen egg comes with a drone facehugger and a queen facehugger all in one. ::)
I concocted it long before this website existed. I'm sure I wasn't the only one, though.
I do wonder how long it took before SM accepted it, however. ;)
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 11, 2016, 08:10:14 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 11, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
It's royal facehugger actually. It makes queen and her protector. Makes sense.
The Assembly Cut shows two different facehuggers.The 'royal' and a regular one.
Or is it the same facehugger before and then after it sprouted webbing to survive in an aquatic environment? Here I go again quoting myself...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2014, 11:50:05 PM
I'd appreciate the queen facehugger more if we'd been given a better reason for its appearance.
For example, maybe it started out looking like a normal facehugger (like we saw in the opening sequence), but then it rapidly adapted to the harsh aquatic environment of Fiorina's ocean after the EEV's splashdown.
The webbing, armor plating and spikes would be the end-result of the "funny little habit" that Ash described in the original movie so it could swim and protect itself against the planet's carnivorous little sea-bugs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 10:27:35 PM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 11, 2016, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: colonialmarine9 on Sep 11, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
Does the magic egg really matter that much? I know that it is not shown how it got there but who cares, after all we accept that Ripley's arm can withstand the vacuum of space and we don't see the queen get inside the dropship's landing gear but it happened. How the egg got on the Sulaco doesn't matter, the queen somehow put it on the ship, the egg is there just accept it.
Linking the Queen somehow to the egg does appear to be the best way to explain it, though. Ultimately it's all speculation without Fox input. There's so many other facets of these (and other movies) we just have to accept, too. I always wondered how artificial gravity works or how a dropship flies; and for that matter how it 'drops' from the Sulaco and so on. There's so many engineering issues in these movies but ultimately, they're not important because, hey, if they were mentioned they'd get in the way of the story. Especially when it comes to fiction.
As far as surviving in a vacuum goes especially if you just expose a body part, yes. It turns out that's perfectly OK, for a short period of time. A full vacuum you'll pass out after about 30 seconds and can survive for about 90. Here's a nice little video for you:
The video also addresses another aspect of these movies: The possibility of the newborn being sucked out into space through a small hole. Well, it turns out this is utter bullshit - but we have to accept that, too. :laugh:
The problem is, these movies are strewn with all manner of bad science and equally bad engineering. The important thing is they are made to tell stories first and foremost. They are not intended to educate their audience's in the areas of xenobiology and space engineering. That's why it's called Science Fiction.
I for one can and do accept the presence of the egg aboard the Sulaco. I know it's a problem but it's a necessary device for propelling the story, whether we like it or not. How it got there on those terms alone is irrelevant. We just have to accept: Queen + Sulaco = egg in hypersleep chamber.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 10:34:42 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 11, 2016, 10:34:42 PM
On a related note, could an absence of artificial gravity above, say, the height of the tallest crewmember explain this?
After all, I can't think of any other way for the alien to suspend itself in midair (unless it's telekinetic too).
Back to the topic though, I'm not convinced that eggs require external stimulation before they can hatch so all this speculation about the ship's gravity forcing the upside-down egg to dump its contents may be moot.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 24, 2016, 07:38:30 PMQuote from: Elmazalman on Aug 24, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
Neat pics. I wish they explained how the alien was suspending itself in midair without the use of its hands, feet or tail though.
After all, I can't think of any other way for the alien to suspend itself in midair (unless it's telekinetic too).
Back to the topic though, I'm not convinced that eggs require external stimulation before they can hatch so all this speculation about the ship's gravity forcing the upside-down egg to dump its contents may be moot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 12, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 12, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
Quote from: colonialmarine9 on Sep 11, 2016, 08:20:56 PM
Does the magic egg really matter that much? I know that it is not shown how it got there but who cares, after all we accept that Ripley's arm can withstand the vacuum of space and we don't see the queen get inside the dropship's landing gear but it happened. How the egg got on the Sulaco doesn't matter, the queen somehow put it on the ship, the egg is there just accept it.
I do agree with this. Even though it's hard to determine how the egg got there, it's still not out of bounds with the series and how it depicts Aliens smuggling themselves away somewhere.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 12:36:59 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 12:36:59 AM
QuoteJust to put that into perspective, the folks at Gearbox Software are also "massive fans." Would you want Mikey Neumann anywhere near the production of this film?
None of them were from Gearbox.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 12, 2016, 12:47:45 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 12, 2016, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 11, 2016, 07:40:37 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 06:36:13 PMDuring travel, the artificial gravity is shut down 90%.
Says who?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 11, 2016, 06:36:13 PMIt's still a big stretch to ask the audience to figure that out.
Not really. The new design was noticeably bigger and looked different, and there are two Aliens in the film, one of which is a Queen. It hardly would've taken a PhD in astrophysics to work out what had gone on.
By changing it to a regular Facehugger they made things more confusing, because there isn't the visual difference to guide the viewer.
The artificial gravity idea was one put forth by someone on this thread. Windebieste? I can't recall who exactly. Percentages may vary.
The only thing that anyone can deduce with any fair degree of certainty was that the egg got on the Sulaco from the Dropship when it returned from Acheron. Anything else is just speculation or paranoid delusion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 12:53:55 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 12:53:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 12:36:59 AMQuoteJust to put that into perspective, the folks at Gearbox Software are also "massive fans." Would you want Mikey Neumann anywhere near the production of this film?
None of them were from Gearbox.
I understand that. What I'm saying is that even "massive fans" can have questionable judgment. The folks at Gearbox are just a prime example.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 12, 2016, 12:56:13 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 12, 2016, 12:56:13 AM
You need to take the 'artifical gravity' ideas into context. All the other ships systems are put into sleep mode. Why not the AG, too.
Besides, Ripley even announces that the Nostromo's artificial gravity is being engaged during the ship's ascent. Why not have the AG on all the time..?
It is all outlined above. That is, IF you care to look.
-Windebieste.
Besides, Ripley even announces that the Nostromo's artificial gravity is being engaged during the ship's ascent. Why not have the AG on all the time..?
It is all outlined above. That is, IF you care to look.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 12:58:01 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 12:58:01 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 12:53:55 AMQuote from: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 12:36:59 AMQuoteJust to put that into perspective, the folks at Gearbox Software are also "massive fans." Would you want Mikey Neumann anywhere near the production of this film?
None of them were from Gearbox.
I understand that. What I'm saying is that even "massive fans" can have questionable judgment. The folks at Gearbox are just a prime example.
All of which is entirely besides the point I was making.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:04:13 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:04:13 AM
I thought your point was that a retcon is the popular choice among the massive fans who work for Fox. Was I mistaken?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 01:10:47 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 01:10:47 AM
No, my point was "the uselessness of anecdotes".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:40:32 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:40:32 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 01:10:47 AM
No, my point was "the uselessness of anecdotes".
Quite.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
Funny site. And useful on forums like this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 12, 2016, 02:52:44 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 12, 2016, 02:52:44 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 12, 2016, 12:56:13 AMWe see the state of things on the Sulaco post-travel and 10% gravity would have left the place looking differently. The perpetual motion toys, for example.
You need to take the 'artifical gravity' ideas into context. All the other ships systems are put into sleep mode. Why not the AG, too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 02:59:59 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 02:59:59 AM
I tried the same tack back on page 84...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 03:27:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 03:27:33 AM
And I said that zero (or reduced) gravity was unnecessary to explain the location of the egg. I'm not sure why windebieste keeps bringing it up since his theory doesn't hinge on it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 12, 2016, 04:27:33 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 12, 2016, 04:27:33 AM
The gravity would have to be reduced and not completely turned off simply because all the loose objects would just migrate around freely in zero G. It would become a safety issue to have all that shit just lying around randomly when the AG is turned back on as the crew awakes. So it needs to be about 15%.
Why do this, anyway..?
The reduction in gravity, as I've outlined previously has a very practical energy conservation practice. Ripley even remarks about it being activated when it's needed as they exit the gravitational influence of LV-426. Many of the ship's other systems are powered down when the crew are in hypersleep and as Ripley would tend to indicate, the artificial gravity could very well be, too, especially if there's no one awake aboard the ship.
Producing artificial gravity is going to be resource expensive and energy conservation is always a premium during space travel. As there's no need for it to be at full capacity when everyone is asleep, 10-20% would be all that's needed just to keep loose items in place. Friction will do the rest to keep them in place.
This goes for objects adhering to the ceiling as well.
What's more, the egg weighs, what? 10kg? Try just fastening a 10kg bag of rice to the ceiling, let's see how that works out. lol. Bring that figure down to 1kg and yes, you could have an object securely fastened to the ceiling and just hang there. Even if it grew there, which is what we are looking at here after a proto facehugger anchors itself in that location.
The low gravity, while all crew are in hypersleep also allows the proto hugger(s) to migrate a lot easier, fasten themselves into place on any surface, floors, walls... ceilings. It's not that hard to figure out an explanation. Sure, there's some licence required getting the proto huggers there in the first place, but hey...
I'm not the first person to mess around and alter the Alien's life cycle on a whim... :P
I've outlined it all in previous posts. Check it out.
EDiT: Something that just occurred to me that might be worthy of consideration: Variance in the Nostromo's payload 20/200 million tons can be attributed to Artificial Gravity changes. When the movie starts, we see the Nostromo with all its crew asleep and the 20 million figure is displayed as part of the opening text; about 10% of the actual figure. Later, as visible in a video display read out, the figure jumps to 200 million - meaning full gravity is now applied to the ship. lol. I think that's right.
-Windebieste.
Why do this, anyway..?
The reduction in gravity, as I've outlined previously has a very practical energy conservation practice. Ripley even remarks about it being activated when it's needed as they exit the gravitational influence of LV-426. Many of the ship's other systems are powered down when the crew are in hypersleep and as Ripley would tend to indicate, the artificial gravity could very well be, too, especially if there's no one awake aboard the ship.
Producing artificial gravity is going to be resource expensive and energy conservation is always a premium during space travel. As there's no need for it to be at full capacity when everyone is asleep, 10-20% would be all that's needed just to keep loose items in place. Friction will do the rest to keep them in place.
This goes for objects adhering to the ceiling as well.
What's more, the egg weighs, what? 10kg? Try just fastening a 10kg bag of rice to the ceiling, let's see how that works out. lol. Bring that figure down to 1kg and yes, you could have an object securely fastened to the ceiling and just hang there. Even if it grew there, which is what we are looking at here after a proto facehugger anchors itself in that location.
The low gravity, while all crew are in hypersleep also allows the proto hugger(s) to migrate a lot easier, fasten themselves into place on any surface, floors, walls... ceilings. It's not that hard to figure out an explanation. Sure, there's some licence required getting the proto huggers there in the first place, but hey...
I'm not the first person to mess around and alter the Alien's life cycle on a whim... :P
I've outlined it all in previous posts. Check it out.
EDiT: Something that just occurred to me that might be worthy of consideration: Variance in the Nostromo's payload 20/200 million tons can be attributed to Artificial Gravity changes. When the movie starts, we see the Nostromo with all its crew asleep and the 20 million figure is displayed as part of the opening text; about 10% of the actual figure. Later, as visible in a video display read out, the figure jumps to 200 million - meaning full gravity is now applied to the ship. lol. I think that's right.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 12, 2016, 05:38:49 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 12, 2016, 05:38:49 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 12, 2016, 12:56:13 AM
You need to take the 'artifical gravity' ideas into context. All the other ships systems are put into sleep mode. Why not the AG, too.
Besides, Ripley even announces that the Nostromo's artificial gravity is being engaged during the ship's ascent. Why not have the AG on all the time..?
It is all outlined above. That is, IF you care to look.
-Windebieste.
I did take the Gravity idea into context. It's not a bad idea at all. Unfortunately it's applied to a bad idea. That bad idea being Alien 3. I do like the film though. I'd say, much like a Porsche 911, it's a bad idea perfected.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 12, 2016, 06:34:53 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 12, 2016, 06:34:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 02:59:59 AMApologies. I only visit now and then, so I miss a lot. :)
I tried the same tack back on page 84...
The whole low-gravity idea seems like a waste of time to me. Why go to such convoluted extremes when you could just say that whatever created or carried the egg put it there to be unseen? Low gravity so that a spore or whatever can just float there on the air current seems not only weird but un-Alien. Or un-scary at least.
Spoiler
Not that I subscribe to any particular theory, mind you. My current take on the matter is, the creators of Alien3 went to so little effort for that moment to make sense, I'd rather not waste too much time trying to justify it. (Although I certainly have over the years.) ;)
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 06:54:31 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 12, 2016, 06:54:31 AM
Spoiler
Indeed :)
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: chainsawsquirrel on Sep 12, 2016, 07:28:32 AM
Post by: chainsawsquirrel on Sep 12, 2016, 07:28:32 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 01, 2006, 08:21:10 AM
How do you think the egg got on the Sulaco at the start of Alien 3?
Did Bishop put it there or did the Queen manage to lay an emergency egg at the end of Aliens.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
Bishop really really really doesn't seem like he would do that. But I see no other way. The queen could not and did not get into that room. Emergeancy egg or not. Newt & Hicks certainly wouldn't have.
I think perhaps Burke tampered with Bishop and either reprogrammed or corrupted his mind.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 12, 2016, 11:55:38 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 12, 2016, 11:55:38 AM
Why did bishop drop down in the atmospheric processor?
Any pilot knows, higher is better. Especially with falling debris.
Any pilot knows, higher is better. Especially with falling debris.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
I know this has been brought up before but in dreams things can appear backwards or upside down... maybe Ripley just dreamt it... holy shit.... something just came to my mind. Gotta watch aliens first to see if it makes sense. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 12:40:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 12, 2016, 04:27:33 AMWhat's more, the egg weighs, what? 10kg? Try just fastening a 10kg bag of rice to the ceiling, let's see how that works out. lol. Bring that figure down to 1kg and yes, you could have an object securely fastened to the ceiling and just hang there. Even if it grew there, which is what we are looking at here after a proto facehugger anchors itself in that location.
I assume the egg fastened itself in place with the same resinous goo that was able to fasten adult humans to the walls of the alien nest under .86g.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 01:30:16 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 01:30:16 PM
Didn't the Sulaco have some sort of flooring monitoring censors? Henceforth, Bishop had to place the egg somewhere off of the ground so the ships monitoring system wouldn't detect it until it was ready to hatch. ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:31:51 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:31:51 PM
As I said before in this ancient thread...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
I'd assume that the Sulaco's computer relies on video cameras and motion trackers versus some kind of nebulous all-seeing Star Trek sensor gear. Therefore, the presence of an alien on board would go undetected until the egg hatched and the facehugger actually started moving around.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 01:43:50 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 01:43:50 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:31:51 PMYea but I remembering hearing from somewhere of the floors in particular being monitored. Just trying to picture where the creators of Alien³ got the idea to hang an egg on a wall. I guess the idea is that it was a cool shot but there has to be some sort of logical thinking behind it.
As I said before in this ancient thread...Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
I'd assume that the Sulaco's computer relies on video cameras and motion trackers versus some kind of nebulous all-seeing Star Trek sensor gear. Therefore, the presence of an alien on board would go undetected until the egg hatched and the facehugger actually started moving around.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 12, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 12, 2016, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 01:43:50 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 01:31:51 PMYea but I remembering hearing from somewhere of the floors in particular being monitored. Just trying to picture where the creators of Alien³ got the idea to hang an egg on a wall. I guess the idea is that it was a cool shot but there has to be some sort of logical thinking behind it.
As I said before in this ancient thread...Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
I'd assume that the Sulaco's computer relies on video cameras and motion trackers versus some kind of nebulous all-seeing Star Trek sensor gear. Therefore, the presence of an alien on board would go undetected until the egg hatched and the facehugger actually started moving around.
It doesn't, it really doesn't... :D
Film logic these days more often than not boils down to "shit just happens". Reading some of the desperate attempts to legitimise one of the more glaring gaffes in film on this thread is actually helping cheer me up after the Jets took another few years off my life last night... ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 02:07:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2016, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 01:43:50 PM
Yea but I remembering hearing from somewhere of the floors in particular being monitored. Just trying to picture where the creators of Alien³ got the idea to hang an egg on a wall. I guess the idea is that it was a cool shot but there has to be some sort of logical thinking behind it.
The CMTM may have invented something like that, for whatever it's worth now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 13, 2016, 12:54:16 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 13, 2016, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 12, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
I know this has been brought up before but in dreams things can appear backwards or upside down... maybe Ripley just dreamt it... holy shit.... something just came to my mind. Gotta watch aliens first to see if it makes sense. :P
This is the theory I always liked. Although it's a bit more artsy fartsy, but it's still a fitting explanation. Ripley was having dreams at the beginning of Aliens, too, so it's plausible the opening to Alien 3 is a dream from her perspective.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 02:48:02 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 02:48:02 AM
Except there are details revealed during it which are later seen to be 100% accurate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 13, 2016, 03:29:47 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 13, 2016, 03:29:47 AM
I'm sure there's a couple of stowaway facehuggers, but the details and everything, including the Sulaco is different, much like a dream would be. It's possible Ripley's in a semi-conscience state, is hearing what's going on around her, but her mind is interpreting the images.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 04:12:40 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 04:12:40 AM
So she dreamed that the cryotubes looked different and that made it come true?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 13, 2016, 04:18:43 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 13, 2016, 04:18:43 AM
7 more pages to go guys. Fill er up! God, people have to know what happened here!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2016, 04:26:03 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2016, 04:26:03 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 04:12:40 AM
So she dreamed that the cryotubes looked different and that made it come true?
Then she wished them into the wheatfield.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2016, 04:34:48 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2016, 04:34:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 13, 2016, 04:26:03 AMQuote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 04:12:40 AM
So she dreamed that the cryotubes looked different and that made it come true?
Then she wished them into the wheatfield.
Nice drawing, where is that from?! :)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 13, 2016, 04:18:43 AM
7 more pages to go guys. Fill er up! God, people have to know what happened here!
Busts through the door, a.k.a the endless egg thread, throws a grenade and leaves hoping it just blows up lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 13, 2016, 05:53:50 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 13, 2016, 05:53:50 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 04:12:40 AM
So she dreamed that the cryotubes looked different and that made it come true?
That's exactly right. No, you have to ignore that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
Dream logic is a reasonable attempt to explain the illogical, but if you have to play "This bit counts, that bit doesn't" then I submit that it's not a particularly good theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 13, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 13, 2016, 07:54:38 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 13, 2016, 04:34:48 AMNice drawing, where is that from?! :)
It's concept art for Ward's wooden planet idea for Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
Dream logic is a reasonable attempt to explain the illogical, but if you have to play "This bit counts, that bit doesn't" then I submit that it's not a particularly good theory.
SM, I maybe mis-remembering, but didn't you mention at some point that the original intention behind the opening was that it was all from a dream-like perspective? I'm remember something from the old AvP2.net/AbsoluteAvP days.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 13, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
Dream logic is a reasonable attempt to explain the illogical, but if you have to play "This bit counts, that bit doesn't" then I submit that it's not a particularly good theory.
Indeed?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2016, 08:32:17 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 13, 2016, 08:32:17 PM
Fincher said he wanted the scene to have a dreamlike quality and based on that I contended the events presented are happening, but we see them via the distorted sleeping lens of Ripley. ie. Everything happened, but not as they are literally presented.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2016, 09:09:33 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 13, 2016, 09:09:33 PM
Ironically, the only unexplainable thing about her "dream" is the different cryotubes which we see later in the movie when she's awake.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 14, 2016, 12:04:38 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 14, 2016, 12:04:38 AM
Unfortunately, you have to ignore those cryotubes no matter what theory regarding the egg. At least with the dream theory it can explain why an egg is shown upside-down on a wall.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 14, 2016, 12:27:01 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 14, 2016, 12:27:01 AM
Some more egg facts:
https://draxe.com/health-benefits-of-eggs/
https://draxe.com/health-benefits-of-eggs/
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 01:01:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 01:01:39 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Sep 14, 2016, 12:04:38 AMUnfortunately, you have to ignore those cryotubes no matter what theory regarding the egg.
Actually, UPP commandos boarded the ship, removed the passengers from their tubes (without reviving them) and then placed them back in the senior officers' cryotubes (in a different section of the ship) before sending the Sulaco back on her merry way.
Is that any sillier than the premise of Alien: Out of the Shadows?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 14, 2016, 01:24:50 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 14, 2016, 01:24:50 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Sep 14, 2016, 12:04:38 AM
Unfortunately, you have to ignore those cryotubes no matter what theory regarding the egg. At least with the dream theory it can explain why an egg is shown upside-down on a wall.
Agreed. Especially considering it's not a precedent. 'ALIENS' has the best continuity error in terms of anomalous design carried over from the previous movie.
Ripley's helmet grows a lamp on top. It was a slow process but after 57 years the lamp gradually sprouted. The only logical explanation, for sure.
Let's just ignore that, shall we? lol. The same can be said for the anomalous design of the cryosleep beds. It's nothing to make a big deal out of.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 05:19:59 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 05:19:59 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 14, 2016, 01:24:50 AMUnlike the opening of Alien3, Aliens was made with a sincere attempt to not contradict Alien. Someone made a mistake and Ripley's helmet has a lamp just like the other ones from the Nostromo...not the same thing as willfully changing tubes and ship markings just because they felt like it.Quote from: PsyKore on Sep 14, 2016, 12:04:38 AM
Unfortunately, you have to ignore those cryotubes no matter what theory regarding the egg. At least with the dream theory it can explain why an egg is shown upside-down on a wall.
Agreed. Especially considering it's not a precedent. 'ALIENS' has the best continuity error in terms of anomalous design carried over from the previous movie.
Besides, who says that's the helmet Ripley was wearing at the end of Alien? Maybe it's from one of the other suits on board? ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 14, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 14, 2016, 06:27:21 AM
It's a gaffe. Deal with it. Accept it.
-Windebieste.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 06:44:17 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 06:44:17 AM
Yes. I have. No...or yes, depending on how you look at it.
It exists, some people are annoyed by it. The complaints aren't going away any more than the goof is.
It exists, some people are annoyed by it. The complaints aren't going away any more than the goof is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 12:09:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 12:09:50 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 05:19:59 AM
Besides, who says that's the helmet Ripley was wearing at the end of Alien? Maybe it's from one of the other suits on board? ;)
At least we can have reasonable doubt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
I think James Cameron tried very hard to respect ALIEN and make the transition from the end of the first film to the beginning of the aliens as seamless as possible.
While alien3's stylistic changes never bothered me much, it seems apparent that they didn't really respect Aliens at all.
While alien3's stylistic changes never bothered me much, it seems apparent that they didn't really respect Aliens at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:17:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
I think James Cameron tried very hard to respect ALIEN and make the transition from the end of the first film to the beginning of the aliens as seamless as possible.
He even included the harpoon gun that got stuck in the airlock door.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:28:33 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:28:33 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
I think James Cameron tried very hard to respect ALIEN and make the transition from the end of the first film to the beginning of the aliens as seamless as possible.
He even included the harpoon gun that got stuck in the airlock door.
Didn't think about it before but that's makes Out of the Shadows seem even less possible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 02:34:11 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 02:34:11 PM
It looked to me that Alien 3 was making the cryotubes more like the first Alien (when they wake up in the beginning). Also, with how the cryotubes where ejected, the design in Aliens doesn't allow for that, so they had to change it. A minor thing, because they kept the design for the Sulaco and also the pulse rifles, so they weren't disrespecting Aliens too much.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 02:34:11 PMAlso, with how the cryotubes where ejected, the design in Aliens doesn't allow for that, so they had to change it.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have designed the ejection mechanism in a way that would work with the original cryotubes.
They could have retconned the grated floors beneath the cryotubes as collapsible platforms so they could be lowered into the EEVs prior to ejection.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:37:57 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 02:34:11 PMAlso, with how the cryotubes where ejected, the design in Aliens doesn't allow for that, so they had to change it.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have designed the ejection mechanism in a way that would work with the original cryotubes.
They could have retconned the grated floors beneath the cryotubes as collapsible platforms so they could be lowered into the EEVs prior to ejection.
They could have but maybe they didn't for dramatic purposes. Also, that design is not to practical for later in the film when Ripley gets in the EEV to do the scan.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Again, they could have adapted the EEV's design to accommodate the cryotube's established design. There's nothing about that scene that would have prevented the EEV from having a monitor for 85 to watch while the cryotube scanned Ripley's body.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Again, they could have adapted the EEV's design to accommodate the cryotube's established design. There's nothing about that scene that would have prevented the EEV from having a monitor for 85 to watch while the cryotube scanned Ripley's body.
I'm just trying to look at it from the director's point of view. Sometimes a little dramatic license is needed to serve the story and the director's style. That's more a design oversight in Aliens, anyway, that needed to be corrected for the sequel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 03:16:23 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 03:08:06 PMThat's more a design oversight in Aliens, anywayWhat? ...how you figure?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 03:08:06 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Again, they could have adapted the EEV's design to accommodate the cryotube's established design. There's nothing about that scene that would have prevented the EEV from having a monitor for 85 to watch while the cryotube scanned Ripley's body.
I'm just trying to look at it from the director's point of view. Sometimes a little dramatic license is needed to serve the story and the director's style. That's more a design oversight in Aliens, anyway, that needed to be corrected for the sequel.
James Cameron was supposed to predict that Alien 3 would involve the cryotubes being ejected from the Sulaco? :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 14, 2016, 03:16:23 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 03:08:06 PMThat's more a design oversight in Aliens, anywayWhat? ...how you figure?
Exactly. There's no way James Cameron could know the sequel was going to take a turn for the ridiculous.
Wow, the more I read here the more I want Alien 3 retconned onto the back shelf.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
lol Perfect Organism you sound like a politician whenever you advocate for blomkamp's retcon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 14, 2016, 05:49:19 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 14, 2016, 05:49:19 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
lol Perfect Organism you sound like a politician whenever you advocate for blomkamp's retcon.
He gets my vote... 😉
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Master on Sep 14, 2016, 05:54:25 PM
Post by: Master on Sep 14, 2016, 05:54:25 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 06:52:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 06:52:47 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:28:33 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:17:14 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 02:07:49 PM
I think James Cameron tried very hard to respect ALIEN and make the transition from the end of the first film to the beginning of the aliens as seamless as possible.
He even included the harpoon gun that got stuck in the airlock door.
Didn't think about it before but that's makes Out of the Shadows seem even less possible.
I was afraid of that. :-[
The EU novelists should have SM fact-check their books as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Master on Sep 14, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
Post by: Master on Sep 14, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 06:52:17 PMQuote from: Master on Sep 14, 2016, 05:54:25 PM
http://m.quickmeme.com/img/1c/1c96ccf55226534971186d9f7b7ec718f6220b1e32e87588186d22dc1ff89268.jpg
That's not accurate at all as I am not hating on anyone or anything, if I came off as hating then it was not my intention, if so I apologize.
I just got chuckle out of his post because he 'll take any topic being discussed and slip in an advertisement for the retcon. Always fighting the good fight ;D
But I wasn't referring to you, my little green Buddy ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 07:11:59 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2016, 07:11:59 PM
my mistake! :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2016, 07:24:21 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2016, 07:24:21 PM
I do NOT sound like a politician! But I did want to point out that Alien 3 makes little babies cry. Babies are anti-alien 3 and they know best. At a recent town hall meeting Mothers unanimously declared that they weren't consulted before Alien 3 was implemented, and I hereby declare that I will stand by with mothers to fix this travesty. I want it to be known that if I were in charge, no children would be harmed in the aliens sequel. It's time for us to go find those that are responsible for Alien 3 and smoke 'em out! ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 14, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 14, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
So basically you want to replace Ripley with Newt?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2016, 08:12:50 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2016, 08:12:50 PM
No, I was being facetious...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 14, 2016, 08:46:09 PM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 14, 2016, 08:46:09 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2016, 07:24:21 PM
I do NOT sound like a politician! But I did want to point out that Alien 3 makes little babies cry. Babies are anti-alien 3 and they know best. At a recent town hall meeting Mothers unanimously declared that they weren't consulted before Alien 3 was implemented, and I hereby declare that I will stand by with mothers to fix this travesty. I want it to be known that if I were in charge, no children would be harmed in the aliens sequel. It's time for us to go find those that are responsible for Alien 3 and smoke 'em out! ;)
Yep. You do sound like a politician. You sound just like this guy:
"As long as the government is a perceived as working for the children, the people will happIly endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost all deprivation."
...and believe me, the politician who said that also drove a single minded pogrom of annihilation and destruction forward against people of differing beliefs. Good thing he was stopped.
Yeah, I'm being facetious, too; but you know how it is, truth and jest tread a very fine line. :P
LOL. :laugh:
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 14, 2016, 10:28:42 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 14, 2016, 10:28:42 PM
Well he had me fooled. Dude should run for the Senate. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:08:45 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:08:45 AM
Given today's politically correct political climate, (Yes it's still in effect despite Trump) jest may actually be the last true form of truth. I mean who is it out there that still gets to speak their mind? The stand-up comics. The Bill Burrs and Jim Jefferies of this world. They are the last ones who can speak their minds.
I can't believe you just compared to Hitler Winde. :'( LOL
I can't believe you just compared to Hitler Winde. :'( LOL
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 15, 2016, 12:11:23 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 15, 2016, 12:11:23 AM
Who doesn't get to speak their mind?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:15:35 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:15:35 AM
I find most people these days are totally restrained. Certainly politicians. Only close friends speak freely these days. Just my observation from my vantage point. In some ways its better this way. Who wants to see vitriol spilled from people's mouths? Little children and comedians are the last people who speak freely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 12:17:46 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:15:35 AM
I find most people these days are totally restrained. Certainly politicians. Only close friends speak freely these days. Just my observation from my vantage point. In some ways its better this way. Who wants to see vitriol spilled from people's mouths? Little children and comedians are the last people who speak freely.
Reported.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 15, 2016, 12:19:13 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 15, 2016, 12:19:13 AM
Most governments aren't curtailing free speech and five minutes on Twitter or Facebook will tell you that people are taking advantage of it. Even the ones who, for their own sake, shouldn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:22:45 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:22:45 AM
We're way OT, but governments don't need to. It's a self-correcting system.
People on FB and on many social media outlets think they're being anonymous, when in fact they're just using poor judgment.
People on FB and on many social media outlets think they're being anonymous, when in fact they're just using poor judgment.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 15, 2016, 01:16:23 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 15, 2016, 01:16:23 AM
I should never have compared organism to a politician, this thread is going go down like Ripley's EEV. :-X :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 01:20:55 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 01:20:55 AM
We're all doing this in good humor AFAIK.
I still can't tell for real if Perfect Trouble "reported" me on some trumped up charges, and to whom.
Damn. I mean local Trouble. Facepalm!
I still can't tell for real if Perfect Trouble "reported" me on some trumped up charges, and to whom.
Damn. I mean local Trouble. Facepalm!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 15, 2016, 02:38:34 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 15, 2016, 02:38:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 04:49:54 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Sep 14, 2016, 03:08:06 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 14, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Again, they could have adapted the EEV's design to accommodate the cryotube's established design. There's nothing about that scene that would have prevented the EEV from having a monitor for 85 to watch while the cryotube scanned Ripley's body.
I'm just trying to look at it from the director's point of view. Sometimes a little dramatic license is needed to serve the story and the director's style. That's more a design oversight in Aliens, anyway, that needed to be corrected for the sequel.
James Cameron was supposed to predict that Alien 3 would involve the cryotubes being ejected from the Sulaco? :laugh:
It's a design oversight in Alien, as well.
In real Alien 3, Ripley and company die from smoke inhalation and the movie is her dying dream of visiting a prison planet and defeating the alien once for all. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:13:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:13:34 AM
How is it a design oversight in either movie?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 15, 2016, 03:20:44 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 15, 2016, 03:20:44 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:08:45 AM
I can't believe you just compared (me) to Hitler Winde. :'( LOL
Yep. I did... Tee-hee. Have fun with that *giggles like a little girl.* ;)
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 01:20:55 AM
We're all doing this in good humor AFAIK.
I still can't tell for real if Perfect Trouble "reported" me on some trumped up charges, and to whom.
Damn. I mean local Trouble. Facepalm!
But, of course! Ultimately, we're all on the same side. I think. Just got difference of opinion. That's all...
It would be a boring forum without it, huh. :P
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:40:30 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:40:30 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 15, 2016, 03:20:44 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:08:45 AM
I can't believe you just compared (me) to Hitler Winde. :'( LOL
Yep. I did... Tee-hee. Have fun with that *giggles like a little girl.* ;)
Perfect-Orgasm needs a name-change to Mein Blomkampf.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 15, 2016, 04:34:31 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 15, 2016, 04:34:31 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:40:30 AMQuote from: windebieste on Sep 15, 2016, 03:20:44 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 12:08:45 AM
I can't believe you just compared (me) to Hitler Winde. :'( LOL
Yep. I did... Tee-hee. Have fun with that *giggles like a little girl.* ;)
Perfect-Orgasm needs a name-change to Mein Blomkampf.
*Giggles like a really happy not so little girl.*
Also...
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 05:17:02 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 05:17:02 AM
Windebieste's 1939 Kenner Alien. I see you're a man of terrific taste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 15, 2016, 06:29:54 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 15, 2016, 06:29:54 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:13:34 AM
How is it a design oversight in either movie?
I thought I explained, but it's a safety thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 15, 2016, 08:04:43 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 15, 2016, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:40:30 AMPerfect-Orgasm needs a name-change to Mein Blomkampf.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 15, 2016, 10:37:13 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 15, 2016, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 15, 2016, 06:29:54 AMYou still haven't. Care to spell it out?Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:13:34 AM
How is it a design oversight in either movie?
I thought I explained, but it's a safety thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 15, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 15, 2016, 11:18:33 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 15, 2016, 05:17:02 AMApparently Winde has the rarest item of them all... A time traveling Xenomorph from WWII.
Windebieste's 1939 Kenner Alien. I see you're a man of terrific taste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 15, 2016, 03:37:41 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 15, 2016, 03:37:41 PM
Perfect-Organism, don't let these schoolyard bullies get you down.
You serve your master well. And you will be rewarded.
You serve your master well. And you will be rewarded.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 07:12:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 15, 2016, 10:37:13 AMQuote from: Scorpio on Sep 15, 2016, 06:29:54 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 15, 2016, 03:13:34 AM
How is it a design oversight in either movie?
I thought I explained, but it's a safety thing.
You still haven't. Care to spell it out?
Indeed.
Scorpio, please explain it to us like we're the kids on the school bus you just hijacked.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 16, 2016, 04:43:27 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 16, 2016, 04:43:27 AM
Well if you have a fire on a ship, how do you get people to safety who are in suspended animation?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 16, 2016, 05:11:05 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Sep 16, 2016, 05:11:05 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 16, 2016, 04:43:27 AMI kinda know where you're going with this, but the short answer is "an automated/motorized system to relocate the cryotubes".
Well if you have a fire on a ship, how do you get people to safety who are in suspended animation?
Granted this doesn't particularly work with, say, the Nostromo, given what we know of its deck plans, but the Sulaco provides more wiggle-room. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 16, 2016, 08:33:55 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Sep 16, 2016, 08:33:55 AM
I would've assumed a fire would immediately cause the ship's computer to wake the people in cryosleep. Evacuating the sleep chambers seems excessive, although it might depend on different factors.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 16, 2016, 08:47:19 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 16, 2016, 08:47:19 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Sep 16, 2016, 05:11:05 AMGranted this doesn't particularly work with, say, the Nostromo, given what we know of its deck plans, but the Sulaco provides more wiggle-room. :P
The Sulaco's a military ship. Much more likely you'll have need to get everyone out in a hurry than the Nostromo, so it's not unrealistic to suggest the Nostromo can't do it. It's unlikely to be getting attacked by hostile forces while the crew's asleep.
Quote from: PsyKore on Sep 16, 2016, 08:33:55 AMI would've assumed a fire would immediately cause the ship's computer to wake the people in cryosleep. Evacuating the sleep chambers seems excessive, although it might depend on different factors.
Yeah, the film makes it seem like the computer just goes, "Shit! Fire! Um... Get everyone out!" The novel actually goes a long way to explaining why it chucks everyone overboard rather than just waking them and trying to put down the fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 09:30:50 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 09:30:50 AM
Regardless of the real world complications of an evacuation, it's not an answer as to why Alien3 changed the tubes. :)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 16, 2016, 08:47:19 AMYeah, the film makes it seem like the computer just goes, "Shit! Fire! Um... Get everyone out!" The novel actually goes a long way to explaining why it chucks everyone overboard rather than just waking them and trying to put down the fire.It's a montage though, without a clear sense of how much time actually passes. The facehugger got on and off before ejection, so I propose it took several hours for the system damage to reach a point where evacuation was necessary.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 16, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 16, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
Hmm... let's see. Enclosed space made entirely of synthetic and composite materials catches fire and fills the ship with toxic chemical smoke.
Computer: Should I wake 'em and get 'em to fight the fire..? ...or jettison them..?
Not a hard decision to make.
Also, we haven't yet seen anyone emerge from hypersleep and be ready for immediate action. Even peak condition marines get out of their chambers and feel at the very least a little unprepared to deal with such emergencies.
Isn't the Nostromo at least 70 years older than the Sulaco? I'm guessing safety standards and tech will have changed during that time.
-Windebieste.
Computer: Should I wake 'em and get 'em to fight the fire..? ...or jettison them..?
Not a hard decision to make.
Also, we haven't yet seen anyone emerge from hypersleep and be ready for immediate action. Even peak condition marines get out of their chambers and feel at the very least a little unprepared to deal with such emergencies.
Isn't the Nostromo at least 70 years older than the Sulaco? I'm guessing safety standards and tech will have changed during that time.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2016, 10:55:20 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2016, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Sep 16, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
Also, we haven't yet seen anyone emerge from hypersleep and be ready for immediate action. Even peak condition marines get out of their chambers and feel at the very least a little unprepared to deal with such emergencies.
Isn't the Nostromo at least 70 years older than the Sulaco? I'm guessing safety standards and tech will have changed during that time.
-Windebieste.
Not this guy lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 12:05:10 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 12:05:10 PM
QuoteIt's a montage though, without a clear sense of how much time actually passes.
Twenty seconds from when the computer picks up the fire.
Quote
Yeah, the film makes it seem like the computer just goes, "Shit! Fire! Um... Get everyone out!"
That's what the computer should do. If you had a fire in your house, the fire brigade says get everyone out rather than fight it. Waking people up from hypersleep to fight a fire that's going in the same room where they're waking up, is beyond stupid.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 16, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 16, 2016, 12:20:45 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 09:30:50 AMThe facehugger got on and off before ejection, so I propose it took several hours for the system damage to reach a point where evacuation was necessary.
If the fire spread slowly, it wouldn't explain why it never woke them up in all that time.
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 12:05:10 PMThat's what the computer should do. If you had a fire in your house, the fire brigade says get everyone out rather than fight it. Waking people up from hypersleep to fight a fire that's going in the same room where they're waking up, is beyond stupid.
My point was more about the fact the ship doesn't seem to attempt to deal with the fire at any point. It's a military vessel. Fires on board would absolutely be an expected operational hazard. Your house generally doesn't have any in-built fire fighting systems, but a battleship does. Yet instead of actually trying to do something about the fire, the ship just throws the crew overboard.
As I said, the novel helps to explain why getting them out is so urgent, but the film makes it seem like the minute there's smoke the computer jettisons the tubes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 12:25:41 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 12:25:41 PM
The stasis was being interrupted. Best safety precaution is to get the sleepers away from whatever is doing that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Sep 16, 2016, 12:33:18 PM
Post by: windebieste on Sep 16, 2016, 12:33:18 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2016, 10:55:20 AMQuote from: windebieste on Sep 16, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
Also, we haven't yet seen anyone emerge from hypersleep and be ready for immediate action. Even peak condition marines get out of their chambers and feel at the very least a little unprepared to deal with such emergencies.
Isn't the Nostromo at least 70 years older than the Sulaco? I'm guessing safety standards and tech will have changed during that time.
-Windebieste.
Not this guy lol.
https://media.makeameme.org/created/who-ordered.jpg
Apone? Huh, yeah. Probably the only exception. LOL. Remember, though. The process of getting anyone out of hypersleep isn't instantaneous. It looks like these ships have to prep for habitation before the crew/passengers are awakened and that takes time. Time that they don't have when a fire is raging out of control. If it takes as much as 15 minutes for the cryogenic suspension processes to power down and crew to emerge - then it's all over - if there's a fire. Sending the pods down a chute while everyone is still safely stowed is a faster response to the situation.
Coming out of hypersleep doesn't appear to do anyone any favors. Doing so prematurely, well, that may even be life threatening.
So yes. Having the computer make the decision to pack all the pods into EEV's might be the best - and only - action to take.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 12:58:08 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 12:58:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 12:05:10 PMI agree that the editing implies that the EEV was launched twenty seconds after that announcement. (I say implies because the timing of that announcement is open to debate in my opinion.) Even if they truly are ejected twenty seconds later, that still doesn't give a solid timeline for all events prior. Of course, as with all things to do with the inscrutable opening credits montage, it's almost all down to personal interpretation.QuoteIt's a montage though, without a clear sense of how much time actually passes.Twenty seconds from when the computer picks up the fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 16, 2016, 12:59:18 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 16, 2016, 12:59:18 PM
Technically couldn't the ship just turn off life support and remove the oxygen from the ship? Wouldn't that put any fire out?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
Possibly not a good idea to vent the atmosphere if stasis is being interrupted.
The computer says ""Stasis interrupted. Fire in cryogenic compartment. Repeat. Fire in cryogenic compartment. All personnel report to emergency escape vehicle. Launch of deep space lifeboat will commence in t-minus 20 seconds."
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 12:58:08 PMQuote from: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 12:05:10 PMI agree that the editing implies that the EEV was launched twenty seconds after that announcement. (I say implies because the timing of that announcement is open to debate in my opinion.) Even if they truly are ejected twenty seconds later, that still doesn't give a solid timeline for all events prior. Of course, as with all things to do with the inscrutable opening credits montage, it's almost all down to personal interpretation.QuoteIt's a montage though, without a clear sense of how much time actually passes.Twenty seconds from when the computer picks up the fire.
The computer says ""Stasis interrupted. Fire in cryogenic compartment. Repeat. Fire in cryogenic compartment. All personnel report to emergency escape vehicle. Launch of deep space lifeboat will commence in t-minus 20 seconds."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 16, 2016, 12:59:18 PMWe don't know what havoc was wreaked by the acid burning through the electronics.
Technically couldn't the ship just turn off life support and remove the oxygen from the ship? Wouldn't that put any fire out?
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:03:07 PMI know, but I'm arguing that the placement of the voice over is not necessarily where it would be in real time.
The computer says ""Stasis interrupted. Fire in cryogenic compartment. Repeat. Fire in cryogenic compartment. All personnel report to emergency escape vehicle. Launch of deep space lifeboat will commence in t-minus 20 seconds."
1: The announcement could be two joined together (hence the change in audio quality part way through)
B: The announcement happens over credits as well as footage, which disconnects it from being tied directly to what is on screen at that moment. It's impressionistic, and I would argue that if the 20 second announcement truly happened at that moment, it's longer than twenty seconds before the EEV is ejected.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:13:30 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:13:30 PM
The actual footage is around 18 seconds when you take out the title cards.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:17:33 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:13:30 PMBut those 18 seconds are (partially) disjointed and imply more off-screen footage. If you run the shots together back to back it comes across as accelerated and weird, not a "real" 18 consecutive seconds.
The actual footage is around 18 seconds when you take out the title cards.
Anyway, regardless of that I still maintain that the time before that announcement is undefined.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
They're all different angles of different things. Don't see why the tubes couldn't be being readied and loaded while we see snippets of other things.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:24:59 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:24:59 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:22:51 PMIf you're okay with interpreting it as being non-linear, then we agree with each other. Technically. ;)
They're all different angles of different things. Don't see why the tubes couldn't be being readied and loaded while we see snippets of other things.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 16, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
I'm not interpreting it as non-linear as such. Just that when, for example, we see Ripley convulsing in her tube, Bishop and Hicks are already being loaded into the EEV off screen at the same time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:38:49 PM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 16, 2016, 01:38:49 PM
Oh well, either way. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 21, 2016, 07:24:57 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 21, 2016, 07:24:57 AM
I've changed my mind. Bishop did it. When he left Ripley and newt on the Dock as everything was falling to pieces. He went back to the Sulaco and dropped the eggs off and returned.
Also, how can we call the Alien the "Perfect organism" When i've lost count how many have died on screen to gunfire or from being blasted into space. Ripley's ass is more perfect then the Alien is lol.
Also, how can we call the Alien the "Perfect organism" When i've lost count how many have died on screen to gunfire or from being blasted into space. Ripley's ass is more perfect then the Alien is lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2016, 10:33:16 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2016, 10:33:16 AM
Setting aside that it's a minimum 90 minute round trip to the Sulaco and back, where'd he get the eggs, and if he had them why'd he go back?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 21, 2016, 10:59:46 AM
Post by: Uncanny Antman on Sep 21, 2016, 10:59:46 AM
Quote from: Guts on Sep 21, 2016, 07:24:57 AMI've said the same about the Predator. Ultimate hunter my ass. ;)
Also, how can we call the Alien the "Perfect organism" When i've lost count how many have died on screen to gunfire or from being blasted into space. Ripley's ass is more perfect then the Alien is lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Sep 21, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Sep 21, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
Ash probably meant perfect because it wasn't constrained by morals etc.
This thread....man, we can go round in circles about this all day.
A:CM offers an explanation....but we don't want A:CM to exist so...
This thread....man, we can go round in circles about this all day.
A:CM offers an explanation....but we don't want A:CM to exist so...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 21, 2016, 03:33:17 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 21, 2016, 03:33:17 PM
Quote from: Guts on Sep 21, 2016, 07:24:57 AM
I've changed my mind. Bishop did it. When he left Ripley and newt on the Dock as everything was falling to pieces. He went back to the Sulaco and dropped the eggs off and returned.
Also, how can we call the Alien the "Perfect organism" When i've lost count how many have died on screen to gunfire or from being blasted into space. Ripley's ass is more perfect then the Alien is lol.
Bah! Alien is not perfect organism. I am.
Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2016, 10:33:16 AM
Setting aside that it's a minimum 90 minute round trip to the Sulaco and back, where'd he get the eggs, and if he had them why'd he go back?
What's that flying over SM's head? Was it sarcasm? ;) Obviously the previous poster had his tongue firmly planted in cheek..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
Post by: SM on Sep 21, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
You're basing this on?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2016, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2016, 12:13:00 AM
Photographic editing proof that Bishop is an asshole and why he was not there waiting for our heroes on the platform like a good robot. Unstable my ass, he swung around to grabbed some alien eggs.
The Alien is the perfect organism to hunt medieval man but not totally bad ass colonial marines. Also lets be honest here, sure the aliens killed moestly everyone in Hadley's Hope but what did they do after that? They all took a long nap. I didn't see them trying to screw over each other for a goddamn percentage. Humans still worse, man. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: g2vd on Sep 22, 2016, 01:09:10 AM
Post by: g2vd on Sep 22, 2016, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 21, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
Ash probably meant perfect because it wasn't constrained by morals etc.
"You still don't know what your dealing with do you? Perfect Organism. It's structural perfection is matched only by it's hostility. I admire it's Purity unclouded by delusions of morality or remorse."
Well, the conversation does seem to imply it's perfection is found mainly in it's Mental State, however he does say that structurally it is perfect as well. before even it's hostility is brought up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 22, 2016, 04:18:13 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 22, 2016, 04:18:13 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2016, 12:13:00 AMThis is exact proof why this is the perfect ending to this thread. Lock it up! :laugh:
http://i67.tinypic.com/9iu1ie.png
Photographic editing proof that Bishop is an asshole and why he was not there waiting for our heroes on the platform like a good robot. Unstable my ass, he swung around to grabbed some alien eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 22, 2016, 04:24:58 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 22, 2016, 04:24:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 21, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
You're basing this on?
Because its so ludicrous. I'm pretty sure he was kidding. If not, my eyes will open wide in bewilderment. But I do think that was said mocking the Bishop idea. Perhaps we'll never know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 22, 2016, 04:48:01 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 22, 2016, 04:48:01 AM
I was thinking today that if the Queen had not been discovered (Ripley and Bishop see acid blood melting through the floor), then would it have attacked? Maybe it wasn't planning on attacking but was forced to due to discovery. So what was the Queen actually doing on the Sulaco? (Note that the Queen didn't attack until it was discovered, it could have attacked before but didn't).
Just something to add to the theories..
Just something to add to the theories..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2016, 04:54:30 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2016, 04:54:30 AM
I don't think it would've made much difference. The Queen was out for vengeance at that point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2016, 04:56:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2016, 04:56:14 AM
Maybe she was flinging proto-eggs around the hangar bay until Ripley, Bishop and Newt filed out of the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 22, 2016, 04:59:17 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 22, 2016, 04:59:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 22, 2016, 04:54:30 AM
I don't think it would've made much difference. The Queen was out for vengeance at that point.
That's interesting but maybe she was just trying to escape also. We don't know if aliens have a concept of 'vengeance'.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2016, 04:56:14 AM
Maybe she was flinging proto-eggs around the hangar bay until Ripley, Bishop and Newt filed out of the dropship.
Good point. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2016, 05:04:08 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 22, 2016, 05:04:08 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 22, 2016, 04:59:17 AM
I don't think it would've made much difference. The Queen was out for vengeance at that point.
She was worked up into a murderous rage. Whether vengeance was her motive or not makes little difference.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2016, 05:19:15 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 22, 2016, 05:19:15 AM
QuoteThat's interesting but maybe she was just trying to escape also. We don't know if aliens have a concept of 'vengeance'.
I put it down to revenge. The AP had been suffering an irreversible meltdown for four hours, and with less than 10 minutes before it exploded - she's 'asleep' in the hive. She doesn't make any attempt to leave until Ripley torches the eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2016, 05:40:10 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2016, 05:40:10 AM
I know exactly what the Queen was thinking. I'm gonna get yah, BITCH!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Sep 22, 2016, 03:19:10 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Sep 22, 2016, 03:19:10 PM
Quote from: g2vd on Sep 22, 2016, 01:09:10 AMQuote from: The Cruentus on Sep 21, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
Ash probably meant perfect because it wasn't constrained by morals etc.
"You still don't know what your dealing with do you? Perfect Organism. It's structural perfection is matched only by it's hostility. I admire it's Purity unclouded by delusions of morality or remorse."
Well, the conversation does seem to imply it's perfection is found mainly in it's Mental State, however he does say that structurally it is perfect as well. before even it's hostility is brought up.
True but structual perfection does not mean invincibilty. Biologically, the creature could indeed be quite close to perfection (in some ways) though they do have weaknesses. Of course Ash was kinda screwed up by this point and he admired it, so he had some bias towards it, ironic considering as a machine he should be more cold and logical rather than emotional and impulsive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
I would laugh is the Egg on Sulaco is literally the opening plot of Alien 5 with how it got there. You never know it might be resolved...
Or unless you want to Take the Credits from Aliens as confirmation to there being a facehugger on the ship
Or unless you want to Take the Credits from Aliens as confirmation to there being a facehugger on the ship
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 22, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 22, 2016, 10:09:43 PM
Cheers to a 100 pages of this madness! May there be a hundred more! ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2016, 10:15:40 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 22, 2016, 10:15:40 PM
Quote from: Guts on Sep 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PMNo, what would make someone laugh is if it's a literal retelling of Alien³ where the only difference is that Newt and Hicks Survive the crash along with their guns and you add another 30 inmates to be hosts for these things... so they have something to shoot at after they awake... and then they all die in a blaze of jesus glory at the end as one big happy family. The End. Then in the end credits the camera pans over to some blood on the floor and a WY stormtrooper picking it up. A|R is alive and well.
I would laugh is the Egg on Sulaco is literally the opening plot of Alien 5 with how it got there. You never know it might be resolved...
Or unless you want to Take the Credits from Aliens as confirmation to there being a facehugger on the ship
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 23, 2016, 01:30:58 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Sep 23, 2016, 01:30:58 AM
Hicks put the eggs in the Sulaco. I have the proof right here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 23, 2016, 02:39:18 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Sep 23, 2016, 02:39:18 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 22, 2016, 10:09:43 PMNSFW warning
Cheers to a 100 pages of this madness! May there be a hundred more! ;)
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 23, 2016, 02:39:32 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Sep 23, 2016, 02:39:32 AM
Jeezus...proto eggs now?!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 23, 2016, 07:53:34 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Sep 23, 2016, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: Guts on Sep 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
Or unless you want to Take the Credits from Aliens as confirmation to there being a facehugger on the ship
Indeed, confirmed by Aliens in the end credits. It's not just a easter egg ( :P ) as some assume.
So if there's anyone to blame for the mysterious egg, it's James Cameron.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/35z7uc/a_thought_about_the_end_credits_of_aliens_1986/
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2016, 10:06:02 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2016, 10:06:02 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Sep 23, 2016, 07:53:34 AMI think that was the sound of a facehugger scuttling across the floor and Cameron did say he did that on purpose, just in case someone wanted to make a sequel.Quote from: Guts on Sep 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
Or unless you want to Take the Credits from Aliens as confirmation to there being a facehugger on the ship
Indeed, confirmed by Aliens in the end credits. It's not just a easter egg ( :P ) as some assume.
So if there's anyone to blame for the mysterious egg, it's James Cameron.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/35z7uc/a_thought_about_the_end_credits_of_aliens_1986/
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 22, 2016, 10:09:43 PMDamn!
Cheers to a 100 pages of this madness! May there be a hundred more! ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 23, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 23, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Sep 23, 2016, 02:39:32 AM
Jeezus...proto eggs now?!
It's all proto-eggs nowadays!
Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads, and I'm gonna need about ten quarts of anti-freeze. Preferably Prestone.
No... no make that Quaker State.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2016, 09:56:13 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2016, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2016, 10:06:02 AMI think that was the sound of a facehugger scuttling across the floor and Cameron did say he did that on purpose, just in case someone wanted to make a sequel.
Pretty sure he's said it was just a joke and not meant to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 24, 2016, 10:37:13 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 24, 2016, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2016, 09:56:13 AMhuhQuote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2016, 10:06:02 AMI think that was the sound of a facehugger scuttling across the floor and Cameron did say he did that on purpose, just in case someone wanted to make a sequel.
Pretty sure he's said it was just a joke and not meant to be taken seriously.
I think I quoted the wrong post. Whelp, that's what happens when you cross the century mark in a thread. Nothing makes any goddamn sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 24, 2016, 09:56:13 AMQuote from: whiterabbit on Sep 23, 2016, 10:06:02 AMI think that was the sound of a facehugger scuttling across the floor and Cameron did say he did that on purpose, just in case someone wanted to make a sequel.
Pretty sure he's said it was just a joke and not meant to be taken seriously.
Even if it wasn't a joke, why do people continually bring it up? Alien 3 showed us a facehugger on the Sulaco so where's the contradiction?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2016, 04:14:08 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2016, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 24, 2016, 06:31:11 PMAlien 3 showed us a facehugger on the Sulaco so where's the contradiction?
I never said there was one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 26, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 26, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: Guts on Sep 22, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
Or unless you want to Take the Credits from Aliens as confirmation to there being a facehugger on the ship
To be honest, this is my preferred angle, even if it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. One hitched a ride with the Queen and was signalled to find safety until it was all done with.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BR1XER on Oct 17, 2016, 06:22:49 AM
Post by: BR1XER on Oct 17, 2016, 06:22:49 AM
I feel like stepping in a viper's nest by thread revival . . .
. . . but I just booted up the Alien 3 Bluray edition today, and while enjoying the animated title menu features, noticed that a blueprint of the Sulaco showed a bio-reading of 'life form' in the cargo hold at the rear of the Cheyenne dropship, while showing the clip of the up-side down egg on the Sulaco alongside it.
Does this confirm that the egg was placed there by the Queen? Unless Bishop was very inconspicuous about stashing one in the hold, I think this might settle our question.
. . . but I just booted up the Alien 3 Bluray edition today, and while enjoying the animated title menu features, noticed that a blueprint of the Sulaco showed a bio-reading of 'life form' in the cargo hold at the rear of the Cheyenne dropship, while showing the clip of the up-side down egg on the Sulaco alongside it.
Does this confirm that the egg was placed there by the Queen? Unless Bishop was very inconspicuous about stashing one in the hold, I think this might settle our question.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 17, 2016, 06:36:44 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 17, 2016, 06:36:44 PM
Quote from: BR1XER on Oct 17, 2016, 06:22:49 AM
I feel like stepping in a viper's nest by thread revival . . .
. . . but I just booted up the Alien 3 Bluray edition today, and while enjoying the animated title menu features, noticed that a blueprint of the Sulaco showed a bio-reading of 'life form' in the cargo hold at the rear of the Cheyenne dropship, while showing the clip of the up-side down egg on the Sulaco alongside it.
Does this confirm that the egg was placed there by the Queen? Unless Bishop was very inconspicuous about stashing one in the hold, I think this might settle our question.
The dropship? Of course, nobody would have EVER looked there... 😏
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 17, 2016, 07:19:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 17, 2016, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: BR1XER on Oct 17, 2016, 06:22:49 AM
I feel like stepping in a viper's nest by thread revival . . .
. . . but I just booted up the Alien 3 Bluray edition today, and while enjoying the animated title menu features, noticed that a blueprint of the Sulaco showed a bio-reading of 'life form' in the cargo hold at the rear of the Cheyenne dropship, while showing the clip of the up-side down egg on the Sulaco alongside it.
Does this confirm that the egg was placed there by the Queen? Unless Bishop was very inconspicuous about stashing one in the hold, I think this might settle our question.
I believe it was their attempt to explain it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BR1XER on Oct 17, 2016, 10:18:46 PM
Post by: BR1XER on Oct 17, 2016, 10:18:46 PM
Like I said, it might make a difference, but I'm aware that all of this is speculation, and nothing's definitive.
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 28, 2016, 08:10:05 AM
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 28, 2016, 08:10:05 AM
My my the thread is still amidst... here is my take one the situation:
Either Bishop decided to grab an egg from somewhere. Or Hicks was already affected with a chestburster (remember Burke and Hicks came out of the med lab when Hicks woke up?, Burke could've take a specimen and implanted the embryo in Hicks) This Embryo could've then turned into Xenomorph, which, if the Queen had a sense that an embryo was onboard, she could've left some Royal Jelly onboard the Sulaco for the chestburster to morph into a queen, since others aren't around. This queen would've been without an egg sack, so I believe (speculation of course) that, similar to some animals, the single queen could lay a queen egg, but would die afterward, having used up so much energy. This egg would hatch into a queen facehugger for Ripley. Reply if you meed further explantion...
Either Bishop decided to grab an egg from somewhere. Or Hicks was already affected with a chestburster (remember Burke and Hicks came out of the med lab when Hicks woke up?, Burke could've take a specimen and implanted the embryo in Hicks) This Embryo could've then turned into Xenomorph, which, if the Queen had a sense that an embryo was onboard, she could've left some Royal Jelly onboard the Sulaco for the chestburster to morph into a queen, since others aren't around. This queen would've been without an egg sack, so I believe (speculation of course) that, similar to some animals, the single queen could lay a queen egg, but would die afterward, having used up so much energy. This egg would hatch into a queen facehugger for Ripley. Reply if you meed further explantion...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 02:58:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: whenderson272 on Nov 28, 2016, 08:10:05 AMReply if you meed further explantion...
I need further explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Lonely Universe on Nov 28, 2016, 03:48:10 PM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Nov 28, 2016, 03:48:10 PM
I do like the idea of facehuggers carrying eggs on their backs...
Cute as a damn button :>
Cute as a damn button :>
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 28, 2016, 04:41:16 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 28, 2016, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: whenderson272 on Nov 28, 2016, 08:10:05 AMOr Hicks was already affected with a chestburster (remember Burke and Hicks came out of the med lab when Hicks woke up?, Burke could've take a specimen and implanted the embryo in Hicks)
And nobody noticed a) one of the Facehuggers in the tubes going suspiciously missing, or b) Hicks lying on the floor with one wrapped around his head for 24 hours.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 28, 2016, 04:55:25 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 28, 2016, 04:55:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 02:58:01 PMI meed further explanation as well.Quote from: whenderson272 on Nov 28, 2016, 08:10:05 AMReply if you meed further explantion...
I need further explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 05:01:27 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 05:01:27 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 28, 2016, 04:55:25 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 02:58:01 PMQuote from: whenderson272 on Nov 28, 2016, 08:10:05 AMReply if you meed further explantion...
I need further explanation.
I meed further explanation as well.
You can't have it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 28, 2016, 05:12:53 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 28, 2016, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 05:01:27 PMQuote from: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 28, 2016, 04:55:25 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 02:58:01 PMQuote from: whenderson272 on Nov 28, 2016, 08:10:05 AMReply if you meed further explantion...
I need further explanation.
I meed further explanation as well.
You can't have it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 28, 2016, 09:40:50 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 28, 2016, 09:40:50 PM
QuoteOr Hicks was already affected with a chestburster (remember Burke and Hicks came out of the med lab when Hicks woke up?, Burke could've take a specimen and implanted the embryo in Hicks)
That was Gorman. And we see him while he's unconscious with no facehugger on his bonce. And there were two live facehuggers when they got there that eventually attacked Ripley and Newt after Gorman woke up. And Gorman died.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 10:17:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 28, 2016, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2016, 09:40:50 PMQuoteOr Hicks was already affected with a chestburster (remember Burke and Hicks came out of the med lab when Hicks woke up?, Burke could've take a specimen and implanted the embryo in Hicks)
That was Gorman. And we see him while he's unconscious with no facehugger on his bonce. And there were two live facehuggers when they got there that eventually attacked Ripley and Newt after Gorman woke up. And Gorman died.
Mere details.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Novak 1334 on Nov 28, 2016, 11:54:01 PM
Post by: Novak 1334 on Nov 28, 2016, 11:54:01 PM
He knew the truth all along. The egg got onto the Sulaco because...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 28, 2016, 11:57:41 PM
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 28, 2016, 11:57:41 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Nov 28, 2016, 11:54:01 PM
He knew the truth all along. The egg got onto the Sulaco because...
good answer...!!!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2016, 09:40:50 PMQuoteOr Hicks was already affected with a chestburster (remember Burke and Hicks came out of the med lab when Hicks woke up?, Burke could've take a specimen and implanted the embryo in Hicks)
That was Gorman. And we see him while he's unconscious with no facehugger on his bonce. And there were two live facehuggers when they got there that eventually attacked Ripley and Newt after Gorman woke up. And Gorman died.
True, I guess half my theory is debunked...but I rewatched prometheus and came to the conclusion that with the Royal Jelly it should be possible for normal Xenomorphs to develop into a queen, but one who can only lay one egg at a time. Knowing this a xenomorph could reach the hull of the ship while Ripley is fighting the main queen. Bishop could fully understand this and still give the creature access to royal jelly, then it would lay the egg, die, hatch the facehugger (with ripley as a destined target) and successfully implant her with a true queen. What did you want explanation of?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 29, 2016, 04:09:25 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 29, 2016, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:05:12 PMKnowing this a xenomorph could reach the hull of the ship while Ripley is fighting the main queen. Bishop could fully understand this and still give the creature access to royal jelly, then it would lay the egg, die, hatch the facehugger (with ripley as a destined target) and successfully implant her with a true queen. What did you want explanation of?
Bishop is ripped in half while Ripley is fighting the Queen. And he didn't drag his upper half away to give some Royal jelly to any Alien because he's there the whole time to catch Newt and crack his, "Not bad for a human..." line. After that he goes in a bag.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:25:08 PM
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2016, 09:40:50 PMQuoteOr Hicks was already affected with a chestburster (remember Burke and Hicks came out of the med lab when Hicks woke up?, Burke could've take a specimen and implanted the embryo in Hicks)
That was Gorman. And we see him while he's unconscious with no facehugger on his bonce. And there were two live facehuggers when they got there that eventually attacked Ripley and Newt after Gorman woke up. And Gorman died.
I mean Bishop would access the Jelly before the fight. He could've left some in the hangar for any alien to discover, or the queen herself could've secreeted some before she came out of the ship.
And while that does bring some truth, It has brought about a second theory of mine: All he time spend by Bishop during his whole 'repair session' could've also been spent simply retrieving an egg and placing it on the ship? We do see that Bishop has a suitcase with him when he is finished, so it may be possible that he found an egg, and brought it onto the ship before Ripley and Newt were able to see it. One last theory...Newt...poor little newt. What if she was infected with an embyro already, and it just didn't hatch until the ship left. I do understand that there was a facehugger for her in the room, but what if that one was actually headed towards Ripley since she caused motion in the room. I'm squeezin all the theories out of every nook and cranny. But the most probably of all of these explanations is
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 04:41:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:25:08 PMOne last theory...Newt...poor little newt. What if she was infected with an embyro already, and it just didn't hatch until the ship left. I do understand that there was a facehugger for her in the room, but what if that one was actually headed towards Ripley since she caused motion in the room. I'm squeezin all the theories out of every nook and cranny. But the most probably of all of these explanations is
Then why did the aliens take her back to the nest with the clear intention of having another facehugger impregnate her?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:47:25 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:47:25 PM
This thread just won't die, will it? ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
This thread needs a chestburster to go through it. But then there would be a discussion on how the chestburster got there :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
This thread will keep popping back up whenever some neophyte sees Alien 3 for the first time and invents a brilliant new theory to share with the world.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Lonely Universe on Nov 29, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Nov 29, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Cute lil' facehuggers loaded eggs on their backs & travelled across the harsh landscapes of LV-426, braving the lightning & winds. The smallest one chose the smallest egg, which the others made fun of it for. Buddyhugz felt sorry for Lilhugz, so they stuck together. In the end only the two of them made it, but the friends found the dropship. Using teamwork, they were able to sticky the tiny egg to the ceiling where nobody would find it. Unfortunately, that was the last bit of juice Lilhugz had left & the poor fella died after they had been through so much together. Though grief stricken, Buddyhugz remained hidden until the time was right. To his astonishment when the tiny egg hatched it was carrying their queen!
The end. Go to beddy byes.
The end. Go to beddy byes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 05:37:44 PM
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 05:37:44 PM
Just kidding. Obviously there is a major plothole in Aliens 3, which is why I'm so happy Blokkamp and Scott have decided to shun the even existence of these sequences for Alien 5. If we are lucky more biology of the aliens will be explained, hopefully to bridge those gaps that we misunderstood. Sadly :-[ :-[ :-[ We just can't win. Its so funny because every theory is disprovable, by the movie that left a hole for theories. I do have one last theory however. What if the Queens eggs start out very small? Of course they'd have to actually fit in her body when they are first conceived, but what if the eggs themselves grow over time (this process is sped up when she uses here egg laying attachment). If this is the case, then the queen could indeed lay an egg in the bay, but it would slowly grow over time, which makes sense because the actually egg is a living being, not just the facehugger.
I was saying that Newt, was infects off camera while in the nest. Once she got there, she was impregnated, but it looks to us like the nearby facehugger was going to impregnate her, but it was actually going to latch onto Ripley, who triggered the motion. This brings about another question. How was the xenomorh in Alien able to create a nest, if it was not a queen? It had trapped a few of the members of the Nostromo if you remember, but none of them (or at least we are led to believe) that none of the victims had been impregnated, but if this is the case, then why was the xenomorph setting up a nest? This leads me to believe Xenomorphs have the ability to impregnate hosts with living embryo's, without the use of facehuggers, possible by use of their extremely long and thin tails.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 04:41:55 PMQuote from: whenderson272 on Nov 29, 2016, 04:25:08 PMOne last theory...Newt...poor little newt. What if she was infected with an embyro already, and it just didn't hatch until the ship left. I do understand that there was a facehugger for her in the room, but what if that one was actually headed towards Ripley since she caused motion in the room. I'm squeezin all the theories out of every nook and cranny. But the most probably of all of these explanations is
Then why did the aliens take her back to the nest with the clear intention of having another facehugger impregnate her?
I was saying that Newt, was infects off camera while in the nest. Once she got there, she was impregnated, but it looks to us like the nearby facehugger was going to impregnate her, but it was actually going to latch onto Ripley, who triggered the motion. This brings about another question. How was the xenomorh in Alien able to create a nest, if it was not a queen? It had trapped a few of the members of the Nostromo if you remember, but none of them (or at least we are led to believe) that none of the victims had been impregnated, but if this is the case, then why was the xenomorph setting up a nest? This leads me to believe Xenomorphs have the ability to impregnate hosts with living embryo's, without the use of facehuggers, possible by use of their extremely long and thin tails.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 29, 2016, 07:09:37 PM
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 29, 2016, 07:09:37 PM
What if the egg on the Sulaco was just crappy writing that was forced upon the script writers by the studio to create a hollow plot point to drive the franchise in a direction where they could ungracefully end Sigourneys commitment to the series instead of naturally progressing the film in the way Dark Horse comics did to give a justifiable ending to the "Ripley" story which in turn would cause people 24 years later to still debate over how the egg arrived where it did in the first place?
Just an idea... and a run on sentence ;)
Just an idea... and a run on sentence ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 29, 2016, 08:53:58 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 29, 2016, 08:53:58 PM
It wasn't the studio. Writers had been crowbarring in dubiously explained eggs long before they shot a frame.
Ripley wasn't nearby when the egg opened. It opened and Ripley ran towards Newt's screams.
Dallas and Brett were being transformed into eggs.
QuoteI was saying that Newt, was infects off camera while in the nest. Once she got there, she was impregnated, but it looks to us like the nearby facehugger was going to impregnate her, but it was actually going to latch onto Ripley, who triggered the motion.
Ripley wasn't nearby when the egg opened. It opened and Ripley ran towards Newt's screams.
QuoteThis brings about another question. How was the xenomorh in Alien able to create a nest, if it was not a queen? It had trapped a few of the members of the Nostromo if you remember, but none of them (or at least we are led to believe) that none of the victims had been impregnated, but if this is the case, then why was the xenomorph setting up a nest? This leads me to believe Xenomorphs have the ability to impregnate hosts with living embryo's, without the use of facehuggers, possible by use of their extremely long and thin tails.
Dallas and Brett were being transformed into eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 09:11:40 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 09:11:40 PM
SM has just dashed hope and dreams of yet another wide-eyed newbie. That's why this thread exists. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 29, 2016, 09:24:42 PM
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 29, 2016, 09:24:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2016, 08:53:58 PM
It wasn't the studio. Writers had been crowbarring in dubiously explained eggs long before they shot a frame.
i fixed my post... any better now??
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 29, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 29, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
QuoteWhat if the egg on the Sulaco was just crappy writingthat was forced upon the script writers by the studio to create a hollow plot point to drive the franchise in a direction where they could ungracefully end Sigourneys commitment to the series instead of naturally progressing the film in the way Dark Horse comics did to give a justifiable ending to the "Ripley" storywhichin turnwould cause people 24 years later to still debate over how the egg arrived where it did in the first place?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 29, 2016, 10:06:19 PM
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 29, 2016, 10:06:19 PM
i liked my run on sentence better :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 30, 2016, 04:54:23 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 30, 2016, 04:54:23 AM
For the last time; Bishop did it with the turkey baster in the Sulaco!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 30, 2016, 05:22:02 AM
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 30, 2016, 05:22:02 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 30, 2016, 04:54:23 AM
For the last time; Bishop did it with the turkey baster in the Sulaco!
crap! i totally thought it was with the tongs in the Nostromo!!!
damn, there goes my 5 dollars!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2016, 05:48:47 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2016, 05:48:47 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 30, 2016, 04:54:23 AMSulaco Egg Cluedo.
For the last time; Bishop did it with the turkey baster in the Sulaco!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Alien Predator on Nov 30, 2016, 05:58:47 AM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Nov 30, 2016, 05:58:47 AM
MMMMmmmmm.... eggs..... anyone hungry?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 30, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
Post by: whenderson272 on Nov 30, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
Dallas and Brett were being transformed into eggs.
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into eggs?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SamuelDL on Nov 30, 2016, 08:14:26 AM
Post by: SamuelDL on Nov 30, 2016, 08:14:26 AM
Quote from: whenderson272 on Nov 30, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
"Dallas and Brett were being transformed into eggs".
into eggs?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2016, 08:15:06 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2016, 08:15:06 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 30, 2016, 08:24:57 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Nov 30, 2016, 08:24:57 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 05:15:50 PMAll this has happened before, and all this will happen again...
This thread will keep popping back up whenever some neophyte sees Alien 3 for the first time and invents a brilliant new theory to share with the world.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 30, 2016, 08:43:13 AM
Post by: DorkiDori on Nov 30, 2016, 08:43:13 AM
just remember..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2016, 10:48:51 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2016, 10:48:51 AM
Quote from: Omegamorph on Nov 30, 2016, 08:24:57 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 29, 2016, 05:15:50 PMAll this has happened before, and all this will happen again...
This thread will keep popping back up whenever some neophyte sees Alien 3 for the first time and invents a brilliant new theory to share with the world.
Be nice guys. It's gonna always be a question folk have.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2016, 06:42:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2016, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2016, 10:48:51 AM
Be nice guys. It's gonna always be a question folk have.
I'm always nice. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 30, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 30, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Royal Jelly?!?
Black goo?!
Egg Morphing
Jeezus people.
Stop making this crap up to justify Alien3.
Black goo?!
Egg Morphing
Jeezus people.
Stop making this crap up to justify Alien3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2016, 10:17:51 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2016, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 30, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Royal Jelly?!?
Black goo?!
Egg Morphing
Acid for blood?!?
Facehuggers?!
Chestbursters
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 30, 2016, 10:06:24 PMRoyal Jelly?!?
Black goo?!
Egg Morphing
Jeezus people.
Stop making this crap up to justify Alien3.
All of those things were "made up" by the people who actually made the films...
Royal Jelly is in the script and novelisation for Aliens, black goo is in Prometheus and Eggmorphing is in the Director's Cut of Alien. How is any of that "crap we've made up"?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 01, 2016, 12:55:43 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 01, 2016, 12:55:43 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2016, 10:25:07 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Nov 30, 2016, 10:06:24 PMRoyal Jelly?!?
Black goo?!
Egg Morphing
Jeezus people.
Stop making this crap up to justify Alien3.
All of those things were "made up" by the people who actually made the films...
Royal Jelly is in the script and novelisation for Aliens, black goo is in Prometheus and Eggmorphing is in the Director's Cut of Alien. How is any of that "crap we've made up"?
I don't want facts. Its lunacy!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2016, 01:32:35 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2016, 01:32:35 AM
Vermillion? More like Verbillion!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Dec 01, 2016, 03:44:52 AM
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Dec 01, 2016, 03:44:52 AM
I'm a little hurt that I gave an explanation 13 pages ago with a photoshopped illustration and everything and it wasn't even acknowledged.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2016, 03:57:17 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2016, 03:57:17 AM
The one where you said you were "clutching at straws"?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Dec 01, 2016, 03:59:21 AM
Post by: Bughunter S. Thomson on Dec 01, 2016, 03:59:21 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2016, 03:57:17 AM
The one where you said you were "clutching at straws"?
Hey, straws were clutched. But along with everyone else's straws. The real answer to this is 'lazy, clutching at straws script writing.'
I'm not really being serious, I just have nothing else to contribute to this thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2016, 04:02:54 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 01, 2016, 04:02:54 AM
You're hardly Robinson Crusoe there - and yet it endures.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 09:19:29 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 09:19:29 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
Royal Jelly is in the script and novelisation for Aliens
It was? Whereabouts, do you remember?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2016, 09:21:50 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 01, 2016, 09:21:50 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 09:19:29 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2016, 10:25:07 PM
Royal Jelly is in the script and novelisation for Aliens
It was? Whereabouts, do you remember?
I vaguely recall it coming up during the discussion in medlab.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
Can't see anything in the treatment, 1st draft or shooting script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 01, 2016, 10:09:10 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 01, 2016, 10:09:10 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 09:19:29 AMIt was? Whereabouts, do you remember?
It's definitely in the novel. Bishop mentions that it's probably how Queens come about. p212 in the new Titan edition.
I might have assumed, as it's in the book, that it must have come from the script, but it's been ages since I read the script. My bad if I'm wrong there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 10:22:21 AM
I'll give that a gander when I get home. Thanks, HuDa.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 04, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 04, 2016, 02:14:57 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 01, 2016, 10:09:10 AMRoyal Jelly is also a real-world concept, it's how bees/ants/termites make queens. 'Aliens' carries the termite analogy along to explain the queen, so royal jelly would make sense in that context.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2016, 09:19:29 AMIt was? Whereabouts, do you remember?
It's definitely in the novel. Bishop mentions that it's probably how Queens come about. p212 in the new Titan edition.
I might have assumed, as it's in the book, that it must have come from the script, but it's been ages since I read the script. My bad if I'm wrong there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
So the Alien is not so "Alien".
Stupid large annoying termite with a god complex who enjoy hanging out in/on walls and only coming into the light when disturbed.
Concept good. But totally destroys the big chap.
Stupid large annoying termite with a god complex who enjoy hanging out in/on walls and only coming into the light when disturbed.
Concept good. But totally destroys the big chap.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 04, 2016, 02:28:58 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 04, 2016, 02:28:58 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
So the Alien is not so "Alien"
One could argue that after Prometheus, the alien isn't really alien at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
Post by: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
There are 105 pages worth of posts, so forgive me if someone has pointed this out before - but wouldn't there have to be two eggs on the ship? One for the facehugger that got to Ripley and one for the one that impregnated the dog. I will admit that the opening sequence to Alien 3 is very... erratic, so maybe the answer is in plain sight and I just haven't caught on.
I'm not too keen on Bishop being the one to bring the egg(s) on board. Don't they show Bishop leaving the carrier right after they get back to the Sualco? I don't know how he would have managed to get them on board.
I'm not too keen on Bishop being the one to bring the egg(s) on board. Don't they show Bishop leaving the carrier right after they get back to the Sualco? I don't know how he would have managed to get them on board.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 04, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 04, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PMEhh there's still plenty about them that's weird and freaky, even if they have a hive/queen based society.
So the Alien is not so "Alien".
Stupid large annoying termite with a god complex who enjoy hanging out in/on walls and only coming into the light when disturbed.
Concept good. But totally destroys the big chap.
Quote from: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PMThere's a few trains of thought on it - either there were two eggs (and we just don't see one on-screen) or if we go by the Assembly Cut of the movie, there's one Queen Facehugger that can lay two embyros.
There are 105 pages worth of posts, so forgive me if someone has pointed this out before - but wouldn't there have to be two eggs on the ship? One for the facehugger that got to Ripley and one for the one that impregnated the dog. I will admit that the opening sequence to Alien 3 is very... erratic, so maybe the answer is in plain sight and I just haven't caught on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
Post by: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 05:03:44 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 04, 2016, 05:02:33 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PMEhh there's still plenty about them that's weird and freaky, even if they have a hive/queen based society.
So the Alien is not so "Alien".
Stupid large annoying termite with a god complex who enjoy hanging out in/on walls and only coming into the light when disturbed.
Concept good. But totally destroys the big chap.Quote from: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PMThere's a few trains of thought on it - either there were two eggs (and we just don't see one on-screen) or if we go by the Assembly Cut of the movie, there's one Queen Facehugger that can lay two embyros.
There are 105 pages worth of posts, so forgive me if someone has pointed this out before - but wouldn't there have to be two eggs on the ship? One for the facehugger that got to Ripley and one for the one that impregnated the dog. I will admit that the opening sequence to Alien 3 is very... erratic, so maybe the answer is in plain sight and I just haven't caught on.
That seems to make the most sense. At least as much sense as a movie like Alien 3 can make. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 04, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 04, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
Quote from: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
There are 105 pages worth of posts, so forgive me if someone has pointed this out before - but wouldn't there have to be two eggs on the ship? One for the facehugger that got to Ripley and one for the one that impregnated the dog. I will admit that the opening sequence to Alien 3 is very... erratic, so maybe the answer is in plain sight and I just haven't caught on.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Royal_Facehugger
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: klesk4ever on Dec 04, 2016, 11:59:24 PM
Post by: klesk4ever on Dec 04, 2016, 11:59:24 PM
Although I hate ant-like explanations, I'm going to take Alien 3 Assembly cut as canon and accept royal facehugger as explanation.
And maybe Alien Runner, wasn't "runner" type because he was implanted inside an OX.
Maybe he was that way because his function was protecting the queen and being the first alien to serve her.
In ant colonies first ants mature faster but are smaller than next generations.
Runner chestbuster was fully formed, he has matured fast, but was smaller than typical alien.
However the question of who had brought the egg on Sulaco is still on the table.
And my bet is Sigourney Weaver did it in an effort to secure another Alien movie act.
And maybe Alien Runner, wasn't "runner" type because he was implanted inside an OX.
Maybe he was that way because his function was protecting the queen and being the first alien to serve her.
In ant colonies first ants mature faster but are smaller than next generations.
Runner chestbuster was fully formed, he has matured fast, but was smaller than typical alien.
However the question of who had brought the egg on Sulaco is still on the table.
And my bet is Sigourney Weaver did it in an effort to secure another Alien movie act.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Dec 05, 2016, 12:36:09 AM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 05, 2016, 12:36:09 AM
Quote from: klesk4ever on Dec 04, 2016, 11:59:24 PM
However the question of who had brought the egg on Sulaco is still on the table.
And my bet is Sigourney Weaver did it in an effort to secure another Alien movie act.
BWAHAHAHAAA!!1!!! :laugh: SOLVED.
After all, she's the one who's endlessly yapping on and on about bringing Ripley back. Again.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: klesk4ever on Dec 05, 2016, 03:07:19 AM
Post by: klesk4ever on Dec 05, 2016, 03:07:19 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 05, 2016, 12:36:09 AMQuote from: klesk4ever on Dec 04, 2016, 11:59:24 PM
However the question of who had brought the egg on Sulaco is still on the table.
And my bet is Sigourney Weaver did it in an effort to secure another Alien movie act.
BWAHAHAHAAA!!1!!! :laugh: SOLVED.
After all, she's the one who's endlessly yapping on and on about bringing Ripley back. Again.
-Windebieste.
Well we all know that Alien fans really want to see Ripley ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2016, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 04, 2016, 02:28:58 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
So the Alien is not so "Alien"
One could argue that after Prometheus, the alien isn't really alien at all.
The Alien has always had insect qualities. From the very first film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 05, 2016, 12:34:09 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 05, 2016, 12:34:09 PM
Can we say insects have the Alien's qualities.
It makes Prometheus make more sense then. Lol
It makes Prometheus make more sense then. Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2016, 07:33:31 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2016, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 05, 2016, 12:36:09 AM
After all, she's the one who's endlessly yapping on and on about bringing Ripley back. Again.
Siggy gotta eat.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 05, 2016, 07:47:27 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 05, 2016, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2016, 10:53:53 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Dec 04, 2016, 02:28:58 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
So the Alien is not so "Alien"
One could argue that after Prometheus, the alien isn't really alien at all.
The Alien has always had insect qualities. From the very first film.
I know this well and have tried to get that across to many Aliens detractors to no avail.
Vermillion was pointing out that giving the creatures insect qaulities makes them not so "Alien". The point I wanted to make was that since Prometheus, the alien is much more closely connected to humanity and therefore not very "alien" anyway regardless of how closely they do or don't resemble insects.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2016, 07:54:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2016, 07:54:53 PM
I think the skull makes them less alien too.
Hate the skull.
As for the trite complaint that any particular aspect makes them less alien than they "should" be, they were never very alien to begin with. The Thing is way more alien by comparison.
Hate the skull.
As for the trite complaint that any particular aspect makes them less alien than they "should" be, they were never very alien to begin with. The Thing is way more alien by comparison.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 05, 2016, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 05, 2016, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2016, 07:54:53 PM
I think the skull makes them more creepy too.
Love the skull.
As for the trite complaint that any particular aspect makes them less alien than they "should" be, they were never very alien to begin with. The Thing is way more alien by comparison.
I agree, the skull is wonderfully creepy ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2016, 02:21:20 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2016, 02:21:20 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 05, 2016, 07:54:53 PMThe Thing and the Alien are really interesting counterpoints on the "Lovecraftian cosmic horror" spectrum. The Alien looks fairly recognizable (humanoid, two arms, two legs, a head, a tail, has insect-like traits, etc) but its behavior, especially in the first movie, is otherworldly, unpredictable, and unknowable. The Thing, on the other hand, can take any physical form it wants (and that form is often totally f**king crazy, with multiple eyes, teeth, heads, limbs, tentacles, etc) but its behavior is largely rational and predictable behavior you'd expect from an intelligent, technologically advanced lifeform.
I think the skull makes them less alien too.
Hate the skull.
As for the trite complaint that any particular aspect makes them less alien than they "should" be, they were never very alien to begin with. The Thing is way more alien by comparison.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Dec 06, 2016, 02:32:26 AM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 06, 2016, 02:32:26 AM
I really hope one day someone makes the definitive version of 'At the Mountains of Madness'. ...or at least an interpretation that complements Lovecraft's piece in a comparable manner that 'John Carpenter's The Thing' is a worthy interpretation of Campbell's 'Who Goes There'.
-Windebieste.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2016, 02:37:02 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 06, 2016, 02:37:02 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 06, 2016, 02:32:26 AMYou and me both, although 'Prometheus' (and 'AvP') is a pretty deliberate homage. So is the video game "Dead Space 3", for that matter.
I really hope one day someone makes the definitive version of 'At the Mountains of Madness'. ...or at least an interpretation that complements Lovecraft's piece in a comparable manner that 'John Carpenter's The Thing' is a worthy interpretation of Campbell's 'Who Goes There'.
-Windebieste.
I wish Guillermo del Toro's planned AtMoM adaptation hadn't been derailed by Prometheus. Maybe someday he'll get a chance to revisit it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 06, 2016, 06:20:50 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 06, 2016, 06:20:50 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 04, 2016, 02:28:58 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
So the Alien is not so "Alien"
One could argue that after Prometheus, the alien isn't really alien at all.
Or that in fact, we are alien
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 13, 2017, 10:47:17 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 13, 2017, 10:47:17 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 06, 2016, 06:20:50 PMIn a real sense, David is the Alien. The only reason no one notices is that Weyland made him in his own image. As a life form he could have been given any shape and any trait.Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 04, 2016, 02:28:58 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Dec 04, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
So the Alien is not so "Alien"
One could argue that after Prometheus, the alien isn't really alien at all.
Or that in fact, we are alien
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 13, 2017, 12:49:59 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 13, 2017, 12:49:59 PM
David is the biomechanical part of the Alien Physiology.
He is the space jockey.
The god of his creation.
He is the space jockey.
The god of his creation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
It sure sounds that way but I really hope there's a twist that makes it not so...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 13, 2017, 01:34:02 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 13, 2017, 01:34:02 PM
Yes the idea of a mere android creating or recreating Xenos doesn't sit well with me either, since Alien establishes that the Derelict and its cargo is centuries old.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2017, 02:15:07 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2017, 02:15:07 PM
Yeah, I don't like the idea of David making them either.
The Engineers making them in the past, sure. But not someone who's only just shown up making them there and then.
The Engineers making them in the past, sure. But not someone who's only just shown up making them there and then.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 14, 2017, 05:19:43 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 14, 2017, 05:19:43 AM
Quote from: Ectomorph on Dec 04, 2016, 04:20:37 PM
There are 105 pages worth of posts, so forgive me if someone has pointed this out before - but wouldn't there have to be two eggs on the ship?
In Alien 3 novelization theres two
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 14, 2017, 07:08:41 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 14, 2017, 07:08:41 AM
The novelisation only ever mentions one which dies before the EEVs are launched.
The second armoured one never rates a mention till it's found dead.
The second armoured one never rates a mention till it's found dead.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 14, 2017, 09:25:57 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 14, 2017, 09:25:57 AM
Yep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
i still like the idea that has been put up that alien3 is a dream of ripley in cryosleep, and resurection is a follow up of that dream.
as for bishop putting an egg up there:
that's impossible. bishop remotely operated the second dropship to get to the planet, and then they went to the sulaco.
the moment they stepped off the dropship and on the sulaco, bishop got tail-impaled and cut in half by the queen.
bishop could not have put an egg there, especially on the cieling, whilst simply handicapped by being in 2 halves.
also, when would have he done that? if he did this somehow covertly, then it surely would have been seen by ripley, newt,
or even hicks perhaps when entering the cryo chamber. also, the facehugger should have been triggered when they then
enter the room, not when they are vast asleep in the cryo, and rather impossible to enter the beds.
if he did it whilst everybody was asleep, then he somehow must have been able to 'awaken' or exit the cryobed, despite being
handicapped, then put an egg on the cieling, and went back in cryo? no.
there supposedly also was a fire aboard the sulaco which triggered the escape pod to be sent off. where did the fire originate from?
i doesnt make any sense whatsoever.
even if an alien would have been hiding aboard the dropship whilst the fight between the queen and co played out, protecting an egg,
then it still makes no sense why the alien put it on the cieling, and simply did not unboxed ripley, newt and hicks from their cryos.
there is simply no reasonable explanation for the egg to be there.
the only way to sneak out of that logical fallacy is to either keep completely ignoring it,
or to fix it by turning the alien3 and resurection movies into a dream of ripley.
have the story of alien 5 continue where aliens [alien2] left off, and have the sulaco reappear at the space station at the beginning of alien2 [aliens].
include the idea that there was an unprotected egg aboard the dropship where the queen hide herself.
still, it would just be a repeat of alien just on a big station with lots of people.
as for bishop putting an egg up there:
that's impossible. bishop remotely operated the second dropship to get to the planet, and then they went to the sulaco.
the moment they stepped off the dropship and on the sulaco, bishop got tail-impaled and cut in half by the queen.
bishop could not have put an egg there, especially on the cieling, whilst simply handicapped by being in 2 halves.
also, when would have he done that? if he did this somehow covertly, then it surely would have been seen by ripley, newt,
or even hicks perhaps when entering the cryo chamber. also, the facehugger should have been triggered when they then
enter the room, not when they are vast asleep in the cryo, and rather impossible to enter the beds.
if he did it whilst everybody was asleep, then he somehow must have been able to 'awaken' or exit the cryobed, despite being
handicapped, then put an egg on the cieling, and went back in cryo? no.
there supposedly also was a fire aboard the sulaco which triggered the escape pod to be sent off. where did the fire originate from?
i doesnt make any sense whatsoever.
even if an alien would have been hiding aboard the dropship whilst the fight between the queen and co played out, protecting an egg,
then it still makes no sense why the alien put it on the cieling, and simply did not unboxed ripley, newt and hicks from their cryos.
there is simply no reasonable explanation for the egg to be there.
the only way to sneak out of that logical fallacy is to either keep completely ignoring it,
or to fix it by turning the alien3 and resurection movies into a dream of ripley.
have the story of alien 5 continue where aliens [alien2] left off, and have the sulaco reappear at the space station at the beginning of alien2 [aliens].
include the idea that there was an unprotected egg aboard the dropship where the queen hide herself.
still, it would just be a repeat of alien just on a big station with lots of people.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 29, 2017, 12:02:28 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 29, 2017, 12:02:28 PM
The fire was triggered by the facehuggers acid burning a hole into some electrical systems in the sub flooring.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 29, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jan 29, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
What if the super facehugger was already on fury 161? The alien egg on the Sulaco was tiny because it wasn't traditionally nourished by the queen, like a pocket knife and simply f**ked up after impregnating Ripley by causing the fire aboard the Sulaco. After the EEV crashes it bumps an abandon egg on the sea floor, awakening the new type of hugger. Hell we don't know if these eggs aren't waterproof? If Alien, Prometheus and Covenant taught me anything about the engineers, it's that they love to crash their space ships loaded with alien cargo all over the galaxy. Hence there is the possibility that a derelict is buried in the mud. Well that's enough stupid for tonight. :-*
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 29, 2017, 03:07:54 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 29, 2017, 03:07:54 PM
Still worst plot hole in movie going history.
Back and to the left
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left
Back and to the left.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 29, 2017, 03:09:33 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 29, 2017, 03:09:33 PM
That was one of the most hilarious things related to an Alien conversation I have ever read, thank you whiterabbit!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 06:35:36 PM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 06:35:36 PM
yeah but he/she makes a solid point though. that egg in the sulaco was tiny. the facehugger was effing gigantic. something's not right there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 06:35:36 PMthat egg in the sulaco was tiny.
What do you base that on?
There's nothing in that shot to really compare it to. There's certainly nothing to show it's supposed to be smaller than usual.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 29, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 29, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
I'm still sticking with this...
... 8)
Spoiler
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 11, 2014, 12:33:39 AM
This is a little piece called I've got some time to kill.
This is a theory of how the egg got on board the Sulaco.
I didn't come up with this theory but I have detailed it further.
Things to remember before reading:
- This only takes into account the Assembly Cut of Alien 3.
- The writers of the film never included any of this.
Spoiler
Life's too short.[close]
As the Queen leaves the hive after Ripley has destroyed it, one of the "Royal" facehuggers...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120626192517/avp/images/a/a7/Royal_Facehugger.png
...climbs on her back.
As Ripley, Newt, and Bishop are attending Hicks in the dropship, before they walk out into this shot...
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture521.jpg
...the Queen lays an emergency egg on top of the Royal facehugger which then carries it off into the hull of the Sulaco. The Royal facehugger is built to carry eggs, like so...
http://i39.tinypic.com/oupkz7.jpg
(Egg size is debatable.)
...The only onscreen evidence for these Royal facehuggers carrying eggs is the fact that the eggs are placed all over the ground in the hive (seen in Aliens.)
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/aliens/dvdcaptures/dvdcapture478.jpg
I am aware that the drones/warriors can carry the eggs, but for the sake of argument these Royal facehuggers can also carry eggs in order to move them to more secretive locations, which is evident in the opening of Alien 3...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/avpgalaxy/avpg/forum/image002.jpg
So the egg hatches and the facehugger from the egg...
(You can see it's not a Royal facehugger)
...impregnates Ripley causing the fire that ejects the EEV to Fiorina 161. Along for the ride is the Royal facehugger, which impregnates the Ox and is later found by Murphy.
This theory can also be backed up by the sound of the scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens, after the credits.
For me personally this is how it went down.
[close]
... 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
you can see in the opening of Alien3 the corridor where the egg is located to the cieling. check from the 14 second mark.
https://youtu.be/MhT4JbWscwI?t=14s
you have the light in the middle, and the structural beams. concidering the corridor surely is not the size of a warehouse, but probably only a bit bigger than the corridors in the NOSTROMO for example, then seeing the egg is only in a tiny corner in comparison to the size of the beams and the width of the lights in the cieling, as far as i PERSONALLY believe,
is that the egg is really, really TINY.
anyway,
something i also forgot, was that one of the survivors of the SULACO had a chestburster birthing.
check out the 31 second mark.
https://youtu.be/MhT4JbWscwI?t=31s
this must have been hicks, as ripley was in one piece and alive, newt was dead but her body intact, and bishop obviously wouldn't be birthing a chestburster nor would he have red blood.
ripley also got facehugged as we know, and in the intro, we see a gigantic facehugger crawling up to her cryo. it's speculated that the queen takes a much longer time to burst, but that's not the biggest importance here.
both hicks and ripley get facehugged.
we only see a facehugger crawling up ripley's cryo, then the glass cracks, and presumably, the glass cuts the facehugger which causes its acidic blood to damage the area and cause smoke to set off the alarm.
we then see a catscan-like 3D view of a fachugger impregnating a crewmember with a chestburster. we assume it to be ripley, and it can be ripley, but it can just as much be hicks.
undeniable fact however is that one crewmembers fabric [clothes] gets bloodshed and accompanied by the sound of a chestburster trying to pop.
in the end of aliens, you clearly see Hicks wearing the white fabric on his chest, that is the exact same fabric we see get bloodsoaked by a chestburster in the alien3 opening.
then the cryopods move to a escape pod, and crashland to the planet of alien3.
during alien 3, we discover bishop is damaged even further. newt was dead but in one piece, she drowned, but had no alien inside of her.
ripley survived, and hicks was dead.
iirc, a beam hit him? and mutilated his remains. this however covers up that he had been chestbursted.
a fact that cannot be denied. hicks was chestbursted BEFORE he was boarded on the escape pod.
that means an ALIEN is now ABOARD the SULACO.
we dont know what happened to the SULACO, it was never mentioned during Alien Resurection either.
whatever happened to the SULACO is a mistery, but there is one undeniable fact:
there IS an alien aboard.
https://youtu.be/MhT4JbWscwI?t=14s
you have the light in the middle, and the structural beams. concidering the corridor surely is not the size of a warehouse, but probably only a bit bigger than the corridors in the NOSTROMO for example, then seeing the egg is only in a tiny corner in comparison to the size of the beams and the width of the lights in the cieling, as far as i PERSONALLY believe,
is that the egg is really, really TINY.
anyway,
something i also forgot, was that one of the survivors of the SULACO had a chestburster birthing.
check out the 31 second mark.
https://youtu.be/MhT4JbWscwI?t=31s
this must have been hicks, as ripley was in one piece and alive, newt was dead but her body intact, and bishop obviously wouldn't be birthing a chestburster nor would he have red blood.
ripley also got facehugged as we know, and in the intro, we see a gigantic facehugger crawling up to her cryo. it's speculated that the queen takes a much longer time to burst, but that's not the biggest importance here.
both hicks and ripley get facehugged.
we only see a facehugger crawling up ripley's cryo, then the glass cracks, and presumably, the glass cuts the facehugger which causes its acidic blood to damage the area and cause smoke to set off the alarm.
we then see a catscan-like 3D view of a fachugger impregnating a crewmember with a chestburster. we assume it to be ripley, and it can be ripley, but it can just as much be hicks.
undeniable fact however is that one crewmembers fabric [clothes] gets bloodshed and accompanied by the sound of a chestburster trying to pop.
in the end of aliens, you clearly see Hicks wearing the white fabric on his chest, that is the exact same fabric we see get bloodsoaked by a chestburster in the alien3 opening.
then the cryopods move to a escape pod, and crashland to the planet of alien3.
during alien 3, we discover bishop is damaged even further. newt was dead but in one piece, she drowned, but had no alien inside of her.
ripley survived, and hicks was dead.
iirc, a beam hit him? and mutilated his remains. this however covers up that he had been chestbursted.
a fact that cannot be denied. hicks was chestbursted BEFORE he was boarded on the escape pod.
that means an ALIEN is now ABOARD the SULACO.
we dont know what happened to the SULACO, it was never mentioned during Alien Resurection either.
whatever happened to the SULACO is a mistery, but there is one undeniable fact:
there IS an alien aboard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 08:47:15 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 08:47:15 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 08:24:44 PMyou can see in the opening of Alien3 the corridor where the egg is located to the cieling.
https://youtu.be/MhT4JbWscwI?t=14s
you have the light in the middle, and the structural beams. concidering the corridor surely is not the size of a warehouse, but probably only a bit bigger than the corridors in the NOSTROMO for example, then seeing the egg is only in a tiny corner in comparison to the size of the beams and the width of the lights in the cieling, as far as i PERSONALLY believe,
is that the egg is really, really TINY.
Who says it's a corridor?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 08:47:15 PMQuote from: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 08:24:44 PMyou can see in the opening of Alien3 the corridor where the egg is located to the cieling.
https://youtu.be/MhT4JbWscwI?t=14s
you have the light in the middle, and the structural beams. concidering the corridor surely is not the size of a warehouse, but probably only a bit bigger than the corridors in the NOSTROMO for example, then seeing the egg is only in a tiny corner in comparison to the size of the beams and the width of the lights in the cieling, as far as i PERSONALLY believe,
is that the egg is really, really TINY.
Who says it's a corridor?
rather looks like one. just look at the repetitive shape of the 'supports' and the lights on the cieling running to the back, and then on the right side the shape is the same. corridor if you tell me. anyway, i think the egg looks tiny, but perhaps thats just me.
still,
there is no denying and no way around that hicks got chestbursted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 09:17:05 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
there is no denying and no way around that hicks got chestbursted.
SM said it could only be Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 29, 2017, 09:24:03 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 29, 2017, 09:24:03 PM
Taking the scene at face value it can only be Hicks who's hugged.
I never said he was chestbursted. Probably 'cos his chest isn't bursted.
I never said he was chestbursted. Probably 'cos his chest isn't bursted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:26:58 PM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:26:58 PM
we don't see that actually happening, as it is cut away right before the event. but it is clear that it actually must have happened.
again, that means an alien is aboard the sulaco.
again, that means an alien is aboard the sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 29, 2017, 09:30:38 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 29, 2017, 09:30:38 PM
Quotebut it is clear that it actually must have happened.
No, it isn't.
Quoteagain, that means an alien is aboard the sulaco.
There was a hugger, yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 29, 2017, 09:30:38 PMQuotebut it is clear that it actually must have happened.
No, it isn't.Quoteagain, that means an alien is aboard the sulaco.
There was a hugger, yes.
are you delibaretly being ignorant or blind?
did you or did you not see the youtube vid and did you or did you not see a white fabric which MUST be of one of the people in the cryochambers,
and fitting with what hicks wore at the end of aliens, get completely soaked in blood, suggesting a chestburster escaping?
did you or did you not see that the chronologic order of these events show that this happened BEFORE the EEV was catapulted away from the SULACO, thus the bursting happened BEFORE the impact on the prison planet and thus BEFORE a beam could have crushed hicks?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
How does Turk fit into this scenario?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 29, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 29, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
We have no idea what the "white fabric" is. None. The opening of Alien 3 is deliberately chaotic, disjointed, and dream-like.
Poor, poor Turk...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 09:45:35 PM
How does Turk fit into this scenario?
Poor, poor Turk...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:49:56 PM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 09:49:56 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 29, 2017, 09:45:54 PM
We have no idea what the "white fabric" is. None.
no idea what the white fabric is?
did IQ just drop suddenly ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 29, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 29, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
... No. We don't. We do not know what the Hell that is in the extreme close up. At all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 10:12:19 PM
Post by: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 10:12:19 PM
we see that suddenly white fabric gets soaked with blood, just like what happened to kane in alien(1).
we see also that whilst it gets soaked more and more, something is emerging from it as you see it bulging up. just like kane in alien(1).
we also hear a sound accompanied that resembles the sound of something alien, possibly a chestburster.
we also know that hicks was wearing the EXACT same fabric when he entered the cryo in aliens(2).
we see also that whilst it gets soaked more and more, something is emerging from it as you see it bulging up. just like kane in alien(1).
we also hear a sound accompanied that resembles the sound of something alien, possibly a chestburster.
we also know that hicks was wearing the EXACT same fabric when he entered the cryo in aliens(2).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 29, 2017, 10:12:19 PMwe see also that whilst it gets soaked more and more, something is emerging from it as you see it bulging up. just like kane in alien(1).
No you don't. You see a literally split second shot of something white being soaked by something red. Nothing bulges.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 29, 2017, 10:22:36 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 29, 2017, 10:22:36 PM
I also recall no bulging.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 29, 2017, 10:24:16 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 29, 2017, 10:24:16 PM
It does move, but it's almost imperceptible and could simply be from the fabric absorbing liquid. Or if it's Hicks bandages (which is likely) it could be him breathing.
To say "something is emerging from it as you see it bulging up. just like kane in alien" is incorrect.
To say "something is emerging from it as you see it bulging up. just like kane in alien" is incorrect.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pvt_Darren_Knight on Feb 05, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
Post by: Pvt_Darren_Knight on Feb 05, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I like the idea of the emergency egg and its in a way the only option unless Bishop wasen't what we thought he was
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 05, 2017, 01:51:56 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 05, 2017, 01:51:56 PM
Alien 3 is a dream.
Sulaco lost in space. Or so it seems
Ripley and Others wake up 30 years later due slow cryogenic leak
Ripley looks out window and sees a green planet.
Paradise.
On planet surface, a blonde android looks skyward.
He smiles.
Sulaco lost in space. Or so it seems
Ripley and Others wake up 30 years later due slow cryogenic leak
Ripley looks out window and sees a green planet.
Paradise.
On planet surface, a blonde android looks skyward.
He smiles.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 05, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 05, 2017, 04:21:21 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Feb 05, 2017, 01:51:56 PM
Alien 3 is a dream.
Sulaco lost in space. Or so it seems
Ripley and Others wake up 30 years later due slow cryogenic leak
Ripley looks out window and sees a green planet.
Paradise.
On planet surface, a blonde android looks skyward.
He smiles.
You need to stop eating the cornbread... it's clearly having a negative impact on your cerebrum.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 02:24:50 PM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 02:24:50 PM
in my opinion. Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco, either the company or Burke programmed him to get an egg and bring it back to Earth. so Bishop got an egg on his way to the comm tower, put it on the 2nd dropship, sedated Hicks, flew back to the Sulaco with it, came back (late) for Ripley. and thats it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2017, 07:48:43 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2017, 07:48:43 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 02:24:50 PM
in my opinion. Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco, either the company or Burke programmed him to get an egg and bring it back to Earth. so Bishop got an egg on his way to the comm tower, put it on the 2nd dropship, sedated Hicks, flew back to the Sulaco with it, came back (late) for Ripley. and thats it.
SM?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 08:06:56 PM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 08:06:56 PM
not familiar with the abbreviation :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2017, 09:39:57 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2017, 09:39:57 PM
You will be... You will be...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 26, 2017, 10:07:48 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 26, 2017, 10:07:48 PM
Bishop was ECA and there's no evidence he was secretly programmed by Burke or The Company.
He has no motive.
He has no time.
Plz cut and paste and put at the top of every page.
He has no motive.
He has no time.
Plz cut and paste and put at the top of every page.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 02:24:50 PM
in my opinion. Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco, either the company or Burke programmed him to get an egg and bring it back to Earth. so Bishop got an egg on his way to the comm tower, put it on the 2nd dropship, sedated Hicks, flew back to the Sulaco with it, came back (late) for Ripley. and thats it.
Bishop states earlier in the movie that he "cannot harm or by omission of action, allow to be harmed, a human being." Given that he has gathered enough information via observation and testimony that the Alien is a dangerous lifeform, he would not have been involved in bringing an Egg onboard the Sulaco.
As for programming him to bring the egg back, this kind of reprogramming basically entails overriding one of Issac Asimov's "Three Laws" that Bishop was referencing when he stated he cannot hurt or allow a human to be hurt. These laws are generally accepted to be in place whenever dealing with artificial intelligence and are a cornerstone of all AI programming regardless of the fiction or medium. You would have a better chance of reprogramming Bishop to bark like a dog than overriding the Three Laws (which are generally described as being autonomously integrated into every part of the AI so as to make such reprogramming impossible to accomplish without compromising the overall integrity of the AI as a whole.)
One scenario where the Three Laws were bypassed that I am aware of is "I, Robot"... but that basically involved the artificial intelligence being made self-aware and was therefore, no longer an artificial intelligence and was just an intelligent life form (translation: it's actions were no longer dictated by programming, but by conscious choice) and was therefore no longer bound by the Three Laws. If you were to apply the "I, Robot" scenario to Bishop, you would be freeing him of the Three Laws, but you would also be making him his own person and therefore free to make his own decisions. And in that scenario, his response to Burke trying to get him to bring an Egg back would be about the same as any other sane and rational person put in that position... which would be to refuse.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 10:16:19 PMBishop states earlier in the movie that he "cannot harm or by omission of action, allow to be harmed, a human being." Given that he has gathered enough information via observation and testimony that the Alien is a dangerous lifeform, he would not have been involved in bringing an Egg onboard the Sulaco.
Bishop was all set to preserve the two live facehuggers in stasis for return to the company labs, but that's probably because doing so wouldn't pose an immediate danger to anyone. They were safely contained.
However, you're right that placing an egg free of the confines of a secure stasis tube on board the ship would doubtless violate his programming. Regardless, as SM said, he had no plausible opportunity or motive for doing so anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 11:06:59 PM
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
Bishop was all set to preserve the two live facehuggers in stasis for return to the company labs, but that's probably because doing so wouldn't pose an immediate danger to anyone. They were safely contained.
That was prior to the incident at the Atmosphere Processor. At that particular point, he was still collecting data and had no knowledge of what they were. All he had to go by at that point was Ripley's testimony which no one on the mission was taking seriously enough for any number of reasons (bravado, lack of data, unbelievable story, etc). From a purely logical point of view (which is how Bishop would assess any situation), the facehugger specimens were no different than any other lifeform humanity was aware of at that point in time. They weren't dangerous because there was no data to say otherwise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 26, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 26, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
This comes up when Bishop, Ripley, Hudson and Vasquez are discussing the Alien life cycle - which was post AP ambush. Everything Ripley had said had been confirmed by that point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 11:48:45 PM
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 11:48:45 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 26, 2017, 11:15:07 PM
This comes up when Bishop, Ripley, Hudson and Vasquez are discussing the Alien life cycle - which was post AP ambush. Everything Ripley had said had been confirmed by that point.
Ah I could have sworn that was before the AP when they were still looking for PDT's.... your right SM!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2017, 12:24:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2017, 12:24:39 AM
That's why he's SM.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 27, 2017, 01:00:15 AM
Post by: oberonqa on Feb 27, 2017, 01:00:15 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2017, 12:24:39 AM
That's why he's SM.
Absolutely! =)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenoscream on Mar 24, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
Post by: Xenoscream on Mar 24, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
David did it :-D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mrcreosote on Mar 25, 2017, 08:11:36 PM
Post by: Mrcreosote on Mar 25, 2017, 08:11:36 PM
Quote from: oberonqa on Feb 26, 2017, 10:16:19 PMthis! this is the one!!Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 02:24:50 PM
in my opinion. Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco, either the company or Burke programmed him to get an egg and bring it back to Earth. so Bishop got an egg on his way to the comm tower, put it on the 2nd dropship, sedated Hicks, flew back to the Sulaco with it, came back (late) for Ripley. and thats it.
Bishop states earlier in the movie that he "cannot harm or by omission of action, allow to be harmed, a human being." Given that he has gathered enough information via observation and testimony that the Alien is a dangerous lifeform, he would not have been involved in bringing an Egg onboard the Sulaco.
As for programming him to bring the egg back, this kind of reprogramming basically entails overriding one of Issac Asimov's "Three Laws" that Bishop was referencing when he stated he cannot hurt or allow a human to be hurt. These laws are generally accepted to be in place whenever dealing with artificial intelligence and are a cornerstone of all AI programming regardless of the fiction or medium. You would have a better chance of reprogramming Bishop to bark like a dog than overriding the Three Laws (which are generally described as being autonomously integrated into every part of the AI so as to make such reprogramming impossible to accomplish without compromising the overall integrity of the AI as a whole.)
One scenario where the Three Laws were bypassed that I am aware of is "I, Robot"... but that basically involved the artificial intelligence being made self-aware and was therefore, no longer an artificial intelligence and was just an intelligent life form (translation: it's actions were no longer dictated by programming, but by conscious choice) and was therefore no longer bound by the Three Laws. If you were to apply the "I, Robot" scenario to Bishop, you would be freeing him of the Three Laws, but you would also be making him his own person and therefore free to make his own decisions. And in that scenario, his response to Burke trying to get him to bring an Egg back would be about the same as any other sane and rational person put in that position... which would be to refuse.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 02:49:58 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 02:49:58 AM
Bishop could accurately ascertain that a facehugger in stasis is no threat to a human, so could therefore follow such an order.
However he could cast the net wider and also reasonably decide that Company experimentation with a facehugger would involve the death of a human and not follow the order.
However he could cast the net wider and also reasonably decide that Company experimentation with a facehugger would involve the death of a human and not follow the order.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 03:05:11 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 03:05:11 AM
Experimentation with a facehugger could involve laboratory animals too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 05:02:39 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 05:02:39 AM
Indeed it might.
It also might not.
It also might not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 05:39:12 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 05:39:12 AM
The point is, I have hard time believing that Bishop would "reasonably decide" that the company would forego laboratory animals and jump straight to human experimentation. Ripley? Sure. Bishop? Nah.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 07:14:17 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 07:14:17 AM
It would depend on the point in the film. When Burke first ordered it, probably not. Later on - he might be more likely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 06:23:37 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 06:23:37 PM
After Burke proved how desperate he was by unleashing the facehuggers on Ripley and Newt, yeah. Until then, keeping two specimens of a dangerous lifeform alive in stasis was hardly beyond the pale.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 26, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 26, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
That gets me thinking, Bishop is either an observer or not present for so much of 'Aliens', I think it might be interesting to see a first-person re-telling of the movie from his perspective. Get some insight into how he feels about Ripley's opinions of him (and synthetics in general) at the start of the movie, his views on the specimens he finds and how he reconciles Burke's orders (as you've been talking about), things like that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
So long as they adhered to whatever safety protocols governed the containment of virulent organisms, I see no reason why Bishop would have disobeyed Burke's orders. My belief is that Ripley knew this too, which is why she had to resort to threats of tattling to the ICC about his specimens.
It's also my belief that bringing dangerous specimens back to Earth wasn't illegal, but smuggling them was. Burke may have been afraid, like before, that a bureaucratic quagmire would have jeopardized the reward he was expecting for quietly delivering the aliens to the company labs.
It's also my belief that bringing dangerous specimens back to Earth wasn't illegal, but smuggling them was. Burke may have been afraid, like before, that a bureaucratic quagmire would have jeopardized the reward he was expecting for quietly delivering the aliens to the company labs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 11:35:54 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 11:35:54 PM
Burke could've brought them back, but they would've been impounded in ICC quarantine, and no exclusive rights.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 11:46:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 11:46:36 PM
That's pretty much what I meant. Even if the ICC had eventually allowed the company to retain ownership of the specimens that Burke brought back, it may have taken a long time and lots of money to attain that result.
It's a typical case of a large corporation trying to skirt government regulations.
It's a typical case of a large corporation trying to skirt government regulations.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
Quite.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Apr 05, 2017, 05:59:43 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Apr 05, 2017, 05:59:43 AM
Would they even Ret-Con Alien 3's events and pass it up as a bad dream and that Ripley, Hicks and newt were just driving in space?
The Egg is trivial anyway i suppose if the new movie is gonna ret-con A3.. Think i heard somewhere Alien Queen can make eggs from her ooze or something
The Egg is trivial anyway i suppose if the new movie is gonna ret-con A3.. Think i heard somewhere Alien Queen can make eggs from her ooze or something
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2017, 07:12:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2017, 07:12:44 AM
Quote from: Guts on Apr 05, 2017, 05:59:43 AMThink i heard somewhere Alien Queen can make eggs from her ooze or something
Interesting theory. Tell me more.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: markweatherill on Apr 05, 2017, 08:09:12 AM
Post by: markweatherill on Apr 05, 2017, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: Xenoscream on Mar 24, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
David did it :-D
...while disguised as Walter.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Apr 05, 2017, 04:45:28 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Apr 05, 2017, 04:45:28 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2017, 07:12:44 AMQuote from: Guts on Apr 05, 2017, 05:59:43 AMThink i heard somewhere Alien Queen can make eggs from her ooze or something
Interesting theory. Tell me more.
I don't know who said it or where i got that information from... Might have confused something from elsewhere ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2017, 07:40:48 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2017, 07:40:48 PM
Was it this? :laugh:
Turns out, even the WYR supports this theory somewhat...
Most importantly, SM no longer rules it out as a possibility (although he remains skeptical, but that's par for the course with him).
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AMThe egg grew out of Bishop's torso inside his cryotube. Ostensibly, this was due to being contaminated with genetic material when the queen impaled him. Later on, the Anchorpoint scientists were able to culture scrapings of the same material from his lower half and clone alien eggs from that.
My personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
Turns out, even the WYR supports this theory somewhat...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AM
When you fact-checked the WYR, surely you came across this excerpt on page 125:QuoteThe other, more likely, theory posits that the queen deposited a resinous egg sac in the landing gear of the dropship, or flung some amount of egg-forming material from her body once the ship was back on board the Sulaco.
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it).
Most importantly, SM no longer rules it out as a possibility (although he remains skeptical, but that's par for the course with him).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 05, 2017, 11:22:22 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 05, 2017, 11:22:22 PM
Not this Royal jelly bullshit again.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2017, 12:14:42 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2017, 12:14:42 AM
What about protoculture?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 06, 2017, 01:31:50 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 06, 2017, 01:31:50 AM
This thread just....won't....die!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Apr 06, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Apr 06, 2017, 02:23:54 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2017, 07:40:48 PM
Was it this? :laugh:Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AMThe egg grew out of Bishop's torso inside his cryotube. Ostensibly, this was due to being contaminated with genetic material when the queen impaled him. Later on, the Anchorpoint scientists were able to culture scrapings of the same material from his lower half and clone alien eggs from that.
My personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
Turns out, even the WYR supports this theory somewhat...Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AM
When you fact-checked the WYR, surely you came across this excerpt on page 125:QuoteThe other, more likely, theory posits that the queen deposited a resinous egg sac in the landing gear of the dropship, or flung some amount of egg-forming material from her body once the ship was back on board the Sulaco.
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it).
Most importantly, SM no longer rules it out as a possibility (although he remains skeptical, but that's par for the course with him).
Yeah man that was it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 02:53:54 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 02:53:54 AM
Protoculture was in the tv show.
Royal Jelly is fan made crap not in the films.
Royal Jelly is fan made crap not in the films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2017, 08:02:58 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2017, 08:02:58 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 05, 2017, 11:22:22 PMNot this Royal jelly bullshit again.
That's not what Royal Jelly was ever supposed to be with regards to the Alien, so no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Still fan made crap
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 06, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 06, 2017, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 12:01:09 PM
Still fan made crap
Meh, not really anymore crap or unbelievable than the rest of the Alien's characteristics.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2017, 12:51:46 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2017, 12:51:46 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 12:01:09 PMStill fan made crap
Assuming you're referring to Royal Jelly itself and not the "egg-forming" theory above... Once again, no, it's not fan made crap, it's in the novelisation of the film. Oh yeah, and it's also, you know, a real thing in the animal kingdom that actually exists and serves the exact purpose of the stuff in the novel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2017, 01:25:45 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2017, 01:25:45 PM
Vermillion, I'm getting a little bored of your non-constructive posts where you just complain or insult. Let's try and actually contribute instead of just appearing to complain about something with nothing to offer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2017, 01:25:45 PMRoger Sir. :)
Vermillion, I'm getting a little bored of your non-constructive posts where you just complain or insult. Let's try and actually contribute instead of just appearing to complain about something with nothing to offer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2017, 01:25:45 PM
Vermillion, I'm getting a little bored of your non-constructive posts where you just complain or insult. Let's try and actually contribute instead of just appearing to complain about something with nothing to offer.
He's contributing to your inevitable rampage. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 07, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 07, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2017, 12:51:46 PMIt's been like a decade since I read the 'Aliens' novelization, I totally forgot "royal jelly" gets a mention there.Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 12:01:09 PMStill fan made crap
Assuming you're referring to Royal Jelly itself and not the "egg-forming" theory above... Once again, no, it's not fan made crap, it's in the novelisation of the film. Oh yeah, and it's also, you know, a real thing in the animal kingdom that actually exists and serves the exact purpose of the stuff in the novel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2017, 08:16:16 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 07, 2017, 08:16:16 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 08:33:16 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2017, 01:25:45 PMRoger Sir. :)
Vermillion, I'm getting a little bored of your non-constructive posts where you just complain or insult. Let's try and actually contribute instead of just appearing to complain about something with nothing to offer.
Fantastic. :)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 06, 2017, 09:14:45 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 06, 2017, 01:25:45 PM
Vermillion, I'm getting a little bored of your non-constructive posts where you just complain or insult. Let's try and actually contribute instead of just appearing to complain about something with nothing to offer.
He's contributing to your inevitable rampage. :)
I need to make sure I have some document ready for the day that happens.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 07, 2017, 02:37:38 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 06, 2017, 12:51:46 PMIt's been like a decade since I read the 'Aliens' novelization, I totally forgot "royal jelly" gets a mention there.Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 06, 2017, 12:01:09 PMStill fan made crap
Assuming you're referring to Royal Jelly itself and not the "egg-forming" theory above... Once again, no, it's not fan made crap, it's in the novelisation of the film. Oh yeah, and it's also, you know, a real thing in the animal kingdom that actually exists and serves the exact purpose of the stuff in the novel.
It's the one I barely ever read and I'm not even sure why. I'd forgotten that as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 07, 2017, 08:33:21 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Apr 07, 2017, 08:33:21 AM
I remember other wacky stuff from the 'Aliens' novelization, like how it omits literally all of the profanity for some reason.
I dunno about you, but Ripley confronting the Queen and saying "Get away from her, you!" just doesn't quite have the same impact as it does in the movie. :P
I dunno about you, but Ripley confronting the Queen and saying "Get away from her, you!" just doesn't quite have the same impact as it does in the movie. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2017, 09:48:28 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 07, 2017, 09:48:28 AM
Yeah, that was such an utterly ridiculous decision.
Studio-enforced, if I remember rightly.
Studio-enforced, if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Apr 07, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
Post by: Russ840 on Apr 07, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
I just finished the audiobook for it and did wonder where the swearing was lol.
Yeah. I enjoyed the mention of Royal jelly and all the descriptions of the ovipositor, talking about the developing eggs inside.
Also forgot that migit Aliens where present. Lol.
Yeah. I enjoyed the mention of Royal jelly and all the descriptions of the ovipositor, talking about the developing eggs inside.
Also forgot that migit Aliens where present. Lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 01:58:18 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 01:58:18 PM
Have we reached a consensus yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2017, 03:20:57 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2017, 03:20:57 PM
Vote for Royal Jelly here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 03:31:34 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 03:31:34 PM
As in the queen oozed out some royal jelly and it grew into an egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2017, 05:24:37 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 25, 2017, 05:24:37 PM
Precisely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2017, 09:32:44 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 25, 2017, 09:32:44 PM
Pass.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2017, 09:46:31 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2017, 09:46:31 PM
I vote for Bishop picking it up prior to getting Ripley and Newt off the Elevator platform.
No Royal Jelly
No Superhugger with an egg attached.
No egg morphed Bishops legs
No Royal Jelly
No Superhugger with an egg attached.
No egg morphed Bishops legs
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 11:55:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 11:55:36 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2017, 09:46:31 PM
I vote for Bishop picking it up prior to getting Ripley and Newt off the Elevator platform.
Is he right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 26, 2017, 12:40:05 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 26, 2017, 12:40:05 AM
We will never know. Well, maybe we will never know. Your theory seems most logical to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 26, 2017, 07:56:38 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 26, 2017, 07:56:38 AM
It's studio bullshit
And first writer retcon of the series.
And first writer retcon of the series.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Jul 26, 2017, 08:28:42 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jul 26, 2017, 08:28:42 AM
Cameron was aware of the eggmorphing scene and deliberately instigated an alternative with the Queen. Arguably, that's the first 'writer retcon of the series'.
-Windebieste.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2017, 08:31:03 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2017, 08:31:03 AM
Debatable, seeing as he contradicts nothing that actually made it on screen.
If you're tasking that route, the moment the Alien changed from being a violent adolescent from an otherwise cultured race to vicious, single-minded killer when Alien was being developed also counts as a retcon :P
If you're tasking that route, the moment the Alien changed from being a violent adolescent from an otherwise cultured race to vicious, single-minded killer when Alien was being developed also counts as a retcon :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 26, 2017, 12:40:05 AM
We will never know. Well, maybe we will never know. Your theory seems most logical to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Hemi on Jul 26, 2017, 03:02:17 PM
Post by: Hemi on Jul 26, 2017, 03:02:17 PM
What if one of those worker drone things, that we never got to see but are in the novel dragging eggs around (I think), stayed with the queen for the ride and later stuck itself to the ceiling and morphed into an egg?
Bleh... difficult this one, hahaha.
Bleh... difficult this one, hahaha.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 26, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 26, 2017, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 01:58:18 PM
Have we reached a consensus yet?
No, we're still collating.
Needs another 112 pages of discussion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: marrerom on Jul 26, 2017, 04:49:27 PM
Post by: marrerom on Jul 26, 2017, 04:49:27 PM
I'm confused as to why this is even a question worth asking. The Queen brought it with her, yeah?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 26, 2017, 06:05:54 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 26, 2017, 06:05:54 PM
There still isn't a better answer than "an Alien wizard did it", and I doubt there ever will be. Think the Bishop theory has been refuted several times, and it would be an extreme stretch to think Ripley wouldn't have checked the one place an egg could be if the Queen did lay one en route. Once you get into facehuggers moving the egg/royal jelly territory, you're really reaching! The egg was there because the writers needed it to be there, otherwise they wouldn't have their (crappy) movie. That's the long and short of it. Now, can someone give this damn thread a Viking funeral? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2017, 07:46:24 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2017, 07:46:24 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 26, 2017, 04:38:36 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2017, 01:58:18 PM
Have we reached a consensus yet?
No, we're still collating.
Needs another 112 pages of discussion.
I asked my magic eight ball if SM would have at least one post on page 224 and it always replied "signs point to yes." ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 26, 2017, 06:05:54 PM
There still isn't a better answer than "an Alien wizard did it", and I doubt there ever will be. Think the Bishop theory has been refuted several times, and it would be an extreme stretch to think Ripley wouldn't have checked the one place an egg could be if the Queen did lay one en route. Once you get into facehuggers moving the egg/royal jelly territory, you're really reaching! The egg was there because the writers needed it to be there, otherwise they wouldn't have their (crappy) movie. That's the long and short of it. Now, can someone give this damn thread a Viking funeral? ;D
I still don't see what's wrong with a tiny, partially-formed egg inside some "royal jelly"-like goop falling out of the queen's ass, eating through the floor, and forming on the ceiling of a lower deck in the Sulaco.
She's a queen. She produces eggs.
Aliens have acidic blood.
The egg was on a ceiling.
How is this reaching?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 07:30:41 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 07:30:41 AM
They're on the lowest deck.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 07:53:03 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 07:53:03 AM
A small crawl space/storage area then. We don't get a view of the floor in the shot with the egg, so we don't know how tall the area is or what it might be used for. Look how deep the airlock is when Ripley and the queen fall into it. Plenty of room for the area in Alien 3 to be in between the floor and the outer wall of the ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 08:05:56 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 08:05:56 AM
Yeah but how much hull between the lowest deck and outer space? Couple of drops melted through 2 decks on the Nostromo. How much in order to burn a hole to fit an egg in it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
Not much if the egg is borderline microscopic when it drips out.
The queen is a skinny bitch. The eggs have to be small right when they come out of her, then I assume they finish growing in the goop in the ovipositor.
The queen is a skinny bitch. The eggs have to be small right when they come out of her, then I assume they finish growing in the goop in the ovipositor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 29, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 29, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: necrotard on Jul 29, 2017, 06:55:32 AMQuote from: Rankles75 on Jul 26, 2017, 06:05:54 PM
There still isn't a better answer than "an Alien wizard did it", and I doubt there ever will be. Think the Bishop theory has been refuted several times, and it would be an extreme stretch to think Ripley wouldn't have checked the one place an egg could be if the Queen did lay one en route. Once you get into facehuggers moving the egg/royal jelly territory, you're really reaching! The egg was there because the writers needed it to be there, otherwise they wouldn't have their (crappy) movie. That's the long and short of it. Now, can someone give this damn thread a Viking funeral? ;D
I still don't see what's wrong with a tiny, partially-formed egg inside some "royal jelly"-like goop falling out of the queen's ass, eating through the floor, and forming on the ceiling of a lower deck in the Sulaco.
She's a queen. She produces eggs.
Aliens have acidic blood.
The egg was on a ceiling.
How is this reaching?
Because, when you go to those sort of lengths to explain it, you're digging far deeper than the film-makers ever intended. They'd already shown that (unlike James Cameron with Aliens) they didn't really care about the details (e.g wrong colour Sulaco lettering, different cryo chambers), I doubt the improbability/impossibility of the egg being there even crossed their minds...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 11:18:23 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 11:18:23 AM
Even if they didn't have any ideas of how the egg got there, I love Alien 3, so I personally want the story's place in the timeline to be plausible, so I don't care how deep they intended me to dig.
Besides, I'm mainly debating if it's POSSIBLE that the egg could be there, not if any theory can be proven beyond a doubt. No theory will ever be proven unless Fox somehow wedges an explainaion into a movie. Nobody's been able to convince me that this idea is completely impossible.
I also still don't think my idea is a stretch at all.
-The eggs have to start small in the queen's slender body.
-They obviously grow in some sort of goo in the ovipositor as we saw goop splattering everywhere when Ripley shot it.
-The acid element is firmly established as part of their biology.
-The egg was seen on the ceiling.
These are all very simple and obvious observations straight from the movies. It's a very simple and straightforward explanation. None of it involves the silly visual of an alien drone hauling an egg, or the weird idea of Bishop mounting an egg on a ceiling, or a convoluted fan masturbation-session of a plot like Colonial Marines.
Besides, I'm mainly debating if it's POSSIBLE that the egg could be there, not if any theory can be proven beyond a doubt. No theory will ever be proven unless Fox somehow wedges an explainaion into a movie. Nobody's been able to convince me that this idea is completely impossible.
I also still don't think my idea is a stretch at all.
-The eggs have to start small in the queen's slender body.
-They obviously grow in some sort of goo in the ovipositor as we saw goop splattering everywhere when Ripley shot it.
-The acid element is firmly established as part of their biology.
-The egg was seen on the ceiling.
These are all very simple and obvious observations straight from the movies. It's a very simple and straightforward explanation. None of it involves the silly visual of an alien drone hauling an egg, or the weird idea of Bishop mounting an egg on a ceiling, or a convoluted fan masturbation-session of a plot like Colonial Marines.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 29, 2017, 01:00:36 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 29, 2017, 01:00:36 PM
Grasping for straws now.
It's all BS.
It was a bad dream or Bishop did it.
Alien5 would of solved it.
Plus the fact that in every other Alien and AVP film all eggs have been on the ground...opening upwards.
Therefore dream.
It's all BS.
It was a bad dream or Bishop did it.
Alien5 would of solved it.
Plus the fact that in every other Alien and AVP film all eggs have been on the ground...opening upwards.
Therefore dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 04:13:55 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 04:13:55 PM
Well I've said my piece and I see that this argument has been made before in these 113 pages, but some still seem dead set on believing Alien 3 is impossible, so there's not much point in pushing it.
But it makes total sense to me and I don't think it's convoluted or makes tons of far fetched assumptions. That's what's going down in my personal version of Alien history and I'm going to continue enjoying Alien 3 as a sequel to Aliens.
But it makes total sense to me and I don't think it's convoluted or makes tons of far fetched assumptions. That's what's going down in my personal version of Alien history and I'm going to continue enjoying Alien 3 as a sequel to Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2017, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 08:05:56 AM
Yeah but how much hull between the lowest deck and outer space? Couple of drops melted through 2 decks on the Nostromo. How much in order to burn a hole to fit an egg in it?
Why would it have to burn through? The docking bay had grated floors that the queen's goo could have simply oozed through.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 10:14:11 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 10:14:11 PM
Cos the acid that landed next to Bishop was on solid rather than grated decking.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 10:22:16 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Jul 29, 2017, 10:22:16 PM
That doesn't have to be the specific drip in question though. That appeared to come more from her upper half. I always assumed it was from a small wound in her head/chest area, (unless she was curled up under the landing gear in such a way that the egg dropped from her ass in front of Bishop, then she unraveled and descended just before impaling him.)
My idea of something falling out of her ass could have occurred any time during the final fight.
My idea of something falling out of her ass could have occurred any time during the final fight.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huntsman on Jul 30, 2017, 02:23:35 AM
Post by: Huntsman on Jul 30, 2017, 02:23:35 AM
It doesn't bother me that much. An egg was on board that remained very well hidden and bided its time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2017, 04:16:22 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2017, 04:16:22 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 29, 2017, 10:14:11 PM
Cos the acid that landed next to Bishop was on solid rather than grated decking.
She didn't stand in that one spot the entire time. Maybe the proto-egg fell out of her while she was stalking Newt over the grated floor.
Besides, WYR.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 31, 2017, 11:42:29 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 31, 2017, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 29, 2017, 01:00:36 PMGrasping for straws now.
I love how you say "grasping at straws", then follow that up with "Bishop did it".
Pot, kettle lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 01, 2017, 02:03:50 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 01, 2017, 02:03:50 AM
Pot needs a stirring. Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 08:27:13 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 08:27:13 AM
Only talking AC here.
Big facehugger carried egg off while the Queen fought Ripley and hide it out of the way.
A facehugger can be heard post credits of Aliens scuttling about.
Egg hatches. Facehugger impregnates Ripley and causes crash.
Remaining big facehugger gets the Ox.
Big facehugger carried egg off while the Queen fought Ripley and hide it out of the way.
A facehugger can be heard post credits of Aliens scuttling about.
Egg hatches. Facehugger impregnates Ripley and causes crash.
Remaining big facehugger gets the Ox.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
Why not just both facehuggers attack Ripley and Newt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 11:40:06 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 11:40:06 AM
Maybe they did. But only one managed to get to its host before the evac started.
The other (big facehugger) perhaps injured in the process that caused the fire.
The other (big facehugger) perhaps injured in the process that caused the fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 01, 2017, 11:43:52 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 01, 2017, 11:43:52 AM
But Covenant states and proves it only needs 1-2 secs to impregnate.
Jump on
Jump off
The clapper.
Just do it.
Jump on
Jump off
The clapper.
Just do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 12:43:32 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 12:43:32 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 01, 2017, 11:43:52 AM
But Covenant states and proves it only needs 1-2 secs to impregnate.
That got nothin' to do with this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 11:40:06 AM
Maybe they did. But only one managed to get to its host before the evac started.
The other (big facehugger) perhaps injured in the process that caused the fire.
No I mean why not attack them in the hangar bay?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 01, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 01, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
They're bashful.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 10:17:22 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 08:18:59 PM
why not attack them in the hangar bay?
Survival. After all the species was on its last legs and the Queen had seen Ripley's might.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 01, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
They're bashful.
:laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 10:49:11 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 10:49:11 PM
But they're smaller and faster than the Queen. They could've taken Ripley and Newt out in seconds and neither Hicks nor Bishop would be able to stop them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 01, 2017, 11:28:28 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 01, 2017, 11:28:28 PM
There is really no good explanation for any of this.
I mean Cameron had the sound of the hugger skittering around during the credits, so it starts there.
I mean Cameron had the sound of the hugger skittering around during the credits, so it starts there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 12:29:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 10:49:11 PM
But they're smaller and faster than the Queen. They could've taken Ripley and Newt out in seconds and neither Hicks nor Bishop would be able to stop them.
Then again, the Alien 3 TC showed us that the facehugger on the EEV didn't attack the first bald pom who showed up. For some reason, it waited for Spike.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 01:58:17 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 01:58:17 AM
Were we talking about the same version of the film (which we're not but anyway) - it was a bit shagged after impregnating Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Aug 02, 2017, 05:49:20 AM
Post by: stephen on Aug 02, 2017, 05:49:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 08:18:59 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Aug 01, 2017, 11:40:06 AM
Maybe they did. But only one managed to get to its host before the evac started.
The other (big facehugger) perhaps injured in the process that caused the fire.
No I mean why not attack them in the hangar bay?
Because the egg was not ready to hatch yet, the facehugger that carried the egg away took it away to protect it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 06:18:40 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 06:18:40 AM
Took it away where?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 07:54:40 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 07:54:40 AM
My money is on here...
This is all speculation obviously but at that time there's only the Queen, one big facehugger and the egg remaining. I imagine the Queen ordering the facehugger to hide the egg while she deals with the thing that destroy her hive. Much in the same way she orders the aliens to back down from their advancement on Ripley in the hive.
They're smaller and faster but the risk isn't worth it when the Queen is already battling them.
Stirred enough for ya?
Quote from: SM on Aug 01, 2017, 10:49:11 PM
But they're smaller and faster than the Queen. They could've taken Ripley and Newt out in seconds and neither Hicks nor Bishop would be able to stop them.
This is all speculation obviously but at that time there's only the Queen, one big facehugger and the egg remaining. I imagine the Queen ordering the facehugger to hide the egg while she deals with the thing that destroy her hive. Much in the same way she orders the aliens to back down from their advancement on Ripley in the hive.
They're smaller and faster but the risk isn't worth it when the Queen is already battling them.
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 01, 2017, 02:03:50 AM
Pot needs a stirring. Lol
Stirred enough for ya?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 08:42:33 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 08:42:33 AM
QuoteMy money is on here...
Oh, that's right. On the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 08:49:25 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 08:49:25 AM
Interesting. Got anything to back that up?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 09:02:55 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 09:02:55 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
Oh yeah the menu! Totally overlooked that.
So we've established where it hid the egg. Nice.
So we've established where it hid the egg. Nice.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
Or indeed, didn't actually need to hide it at all since it just stayed where it was.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 10:40:53 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 10:40:53 AM
A hidden egg either way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Unfortunately it being in the dropship forces us to believe Ripley wouldn't have a thorough look around inside the dropship after the Queen came out, which is total nonsense.
"Glad that stowaway murderous egg-layer has been dealt with! Anyway, bedtime..."
"Glad that stowaway murderous egg-layer has been dealt with! Anyway, bedtime..."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Aug 02, 2017, 12:43:08 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Aug 02, 2017, 12:43:08 PM
What a shame that this point is f**ked up any way you look at it from, because the opening sequence in Alien 3 is otherwise superbly made.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Unfortunately it being in the dropship forces us to believe Ripley wouldn't have a thorough look around inside the dropship after the Queen came out, which is total nonsense.
"Glad that stowaway murderous egg-layer has been dealt with! Anyway, bedtime..."
This is why I'm still on board with the WYR's "egg-forming material" having been leaked (or "flung") to an area where Ripley either wouldn't look, was too small to notice and/or seemed harmless enough that she could easily overlook it as a potential threat.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 02, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 02, 2017, 02:20:44 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2017, 12:35:28 PMDoes anyone know how long she was consciously awake from the time of the facehugger attack from Burke tho? The human body does get nutty and disoriented after severe lack of sleep.
Unfortunately it being in the dropship forces us to believe Ripley wouldn't have a thorough look around inside the dropship after the Queen came out, which is total nonsense.
"Glad that stowaway murderous egg-layer has been dealt with! Anyway, bedtime..."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 02:28:31 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 02:28:31 PM
I agree, it would be stupid of her not to look over or scan the ship somehow, but as far as she could tell the queen needed an egg sack to lay eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
"Scan the ship" with what? They had cameras and motion trackers, not tricorders.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 02:45:19 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 02:45:19 PM
Scanning a ship doesn't necessarily require some high tech wizz-bizz. Scan with their eyes and a torch.
Guess my wording was a little off. 'and' instead of 'or'.
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 02:28:31 PM
it would be stupid of her not to look over or scan the ship somehow,
Guess my wording was a little off. 'and' instead of 'or'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 02:45:19 PM
Scanning a ship doesn't necessarily require some high tech wizz-bizz. Scan with their eyes and a torch.
Which makes it more conceivable that she could have missed the egg even if she performed a deliberate search.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 04:56:43 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 02, 2017, 04:56:43 PM
I agree.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 02, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 02, 2017, 04:58:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
"Scan the ship" with what? They had cameras and motion trackers, not tricorders.
There's literally one place an egg could have been. Absolutely anyone in that situation, let alone someone who'd twice battled the xeno's, would have immediately checked that one place before putting themselves (and everyone else) into cryosleep. No scanner required, just a 30 second-one minute eyeball check of the landing gear...
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Unfortunately it being in the dropship forces us to believe Ripley wouldn't have a thorough look around inside the dropship after the Queen came out, which is total nonsense.
"Glad that stowaway murderous egg-layer has been dealt with! Anyway, bedtime..."
Bingo!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 05:55:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 05:55:08 PM
If only Ripley knew that "egg-forming material" could have been flung elsewhere in the hangar bay.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 02, 2017, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 02, 2017, 07:54:08 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 05:55:08 PM
If only Ripley knew that "egg-forming material" could have been flung elsewhere in the hangar bay.
Indeed... ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 09:23:27 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 09:23:27 PM
At least I've got Vermillion fully convinced.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 11:36:07 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
"Scan the ship" with what? They had cameras and motion trackers, not tricorders.
The Blu-ray menu picked up it just fine.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 11:42:49 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 11:42:49 PM
Blu-ray is too advanced for the future world of Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 11:51:38 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 02, 2017, 11:51:38 PM
Next best thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:39:51 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:39:51 AM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
Covenant scanned its Ship and it was years before Aliens!
BluRay noob Writers making stuff up 20+years after Alien3 was released
Cool menu though.
BluRay noob Writers making stuff up 20+years after Alien3 was released
Cool menu though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:43:14 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:43:14 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AMIt is a fictional story, Everything is made up. ::)
Covenant scanned its Ship and it was years before Aliens!
BluRay noob Writers making stuff up 20+years after Alien3 was released
Cool menu though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:50:24 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:50:24 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:43:14 AMI know, but they are doing it to try a right their own plot hole and screw up.Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AMIt is a fictional story, Everything is made up. ::)
Covenant scanned its Ship and it was years before Aliens!
BluRay noob Writers making stuff up 20+years after Alien3 was released
Cool menu though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:52:54 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:52:54 AM
If anything, it clarifies an extremely cloudy scene a tad better. Certainly better than nothing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 03, 2017, 04:12:56 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 03, 2017, 04:12:56 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
Cool menu though.
Cooler than Roy Fokker?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 07:49:19 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 07:49:19 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
BluRay noob Writers making stuff up 20+years after Alien3 was released
Absolutely nothing noob about CdL and the people who made the Anthology.
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
Covenant scanned its Ship and it was years before Aliens!
I was going to mention this too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 08:11:19 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 08:11:19 AM
Interesting to note in Alien they only couldn't because they didn't fix all the damage before leaving ("We're still blind on B and C decks").
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 08:18:09 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 08:18:09 AM
That's horseshit. They didn't need it.
I was glad they did include some dialogue like that, though.
I was glad they did include some dialogue like that, though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 08:37:07 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 08:37:07 AM
Everyone died because of Dallas.
Interesting to note it was easier to hand-make a motion tracker for Ash than it was to get the cameras working for Brett and Parker.
Interesting to note it was easier to hand-make a motion tracker for Ash than it was to get the cameras working for Brett and Parker.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 03, 2017, 08:51:52 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 03, 2017, 08:51:52 AM
Fair's fair. They had to make them cattle prods.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 08:53:37 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 08:53:37 AM
I don't think they put any priority on actually repairing the cameras after take-off, did they? Even when Kane bursted?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 03, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 03, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
I daresay their top priority was finding and killing the Alien rather trying to make repairs while it was loose.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2017, 09:05:41 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2017, 09:05:41 AM
Plus, fixing the cameras would've involved going where the Alien was.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 09:14:54 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 03, 2017, 08:58:41 AMRight, but having eyes on B and C deck would've helped with that.
I daresay their top priority was finding and killing the Alien rather trying to make repairs while it was loose.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2017, 09:05:41 AMThey had no way of knowing that, and at that point, thought it was a worm.
Plus, fixing the cameras would've involved going where the Alien was.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 03, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2017, 09:05:41 AM
Plus, fixing the cameras would've involved going where the Alien was.
Which they wouldn't have known. Unless we're talking post-Brett.
Quote from: SM on Aug 03, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
I daresay their top priority was finding and killing the Alien rather trying to make repairs while it was loose.
I was thinking more in terms of these particular repairs helping them find the Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 03, 2017, 09:19:59 AM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 03, 2017, 09:19:59 AM
As far as they knew, up until Brett was killed, it was a small Snake like creature. They were likley not to scared and just searching for it may have seemed like a quicker task than spending untold time repairing the surveillance systems to those decks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2017, 09:27:52 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2017, 09:27:52 AM
Yeah, that. By the time they realised the cameras would've been worth it, it was too late for them to risk the time it would take to repair them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
Right: making the tracker was faster than making the repairs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Aug 03, 2017, 10:07:34 AM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Aug 03, 2017, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 03, 2017, 10:01:25 AMRight.
Right: making the tracker was faster than making the repairs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 03, 2017, 10:25:26 AM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 03, 2017, 10:25:26 AM
Well the crew clearly thought so. Hence why they made it instead of repairing those damaged systems.
Also a safer bet than repairing systems that probably require performong work at varying locations on the ship.
Also a safer bet than repairing systems that probably require performong work at varying locations on the ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
So the Sulaco would of found the egg itself?
Company orders to ignore the scan results?
Company orders to ignore the scan results?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 03, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 03, 2017, 03:15:16 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2017, 09:05:41 AM
Plus, fixing the cameras would've involved going where the Alien was.
Plus, they weren't going to do anymore work until they got the bonus situation sorted out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 03, 2017, 03:45:21 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 03, 2017, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 03:03:09 PM
So the Sulaco would of found the egg itself?
Company orders to ignore the scan results?
Bishop!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Aug 04, 2017, 02:48:52 AM
Post by: stephen on Aug 04, 2017, 02:48:52 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:52:54 AM
If anything, it clarifies an extremely cloudy scene a tad better. Certainly better than nothing.
I don't think so - the image we see of the egg doesn't seem to agree with the blu ray menu's supposed location of the egg in the dropship.
Not only that but others have said that Ripley probably would have checked the dropship landing gear at least visually. While we don't see this actually happen, we can surmise that is probably an action she would have taken. This is a complete an utter assumption based on the character.
Then you have the issue of "canon". Is a blu ray menu canon? If it is canon you have to be able to also explain the problems I have raised.
So no, I don't think the blu ray menu clarified anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 04, 2017, 03:02:13 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 04, 2017, 03:02:13 AM
Queen hocked acid onto the hull, burned a hole, put the egg inside, some of the acid dripped next to Bishop's foot, etcetera.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 04, 2017, 03:30:00 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 04, 2017, 03:30:00 AM
Quote from: stephen on Aug 04, 2017, 02:48:52 AMI was just mentioning that at least we have a tiny tiny bit of new info on a possible location of the Queen's missing Easter egg :PQuote from: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 03, 2017, 02:52:54 AM
If anything, it clarifies an extremely cloudy scene a tad better. Certainly better than nothing.
I don't think so - the image we see of the egg doesn't seem to agree with the blu ray menu's supposed location of the egg in the dropship.
Not only that but others have said that Ripley probably would have checked the dropship landing gear at least visually. While we don't see this actually happen, we can surmise that is probably an action she would have taken. This is a complete an utter assumption based on the character.
Then you have the issue of "canon". Is a blu ray menu canon? If it is canon you have to be able to also explain the problems I have raised.
So no, I don't think the blu ray menu clarified anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Aug 04, 2017, 03:45:49 AM
Post by: stephen on Aug 04, 2017, 03:45:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 04, 2017, 03:02:13 AM
Queen hocked acid onto the hull, burned a hole, put the egg inside, some of the acid dripped next to Bishop's foot, etcetera.
Hull of what? the dropship?
Egg inside what? the dropship?
QuoteI was just mentioning that at least we have a tiny tiny bit of new info on a possible location of the Queen's missing Easter egg :P
How did it add anything new?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 04, 2017, 03:58:51 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 04, 2017, 03:58:51 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Still wouldn't explain Ripley not noticing a big melted hole big enough for an egg to fit inside.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 04, 2017, 08:44:24 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 04, 2017, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Still wouldn't explain Ripley not noticing a big melted hole big enough for an egg to fit inside.
The hole wouldn't need to be big at all. Eggs grow.
Do you people honestly believe the eggs are full-sized when they come out of the queen?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 09:04:08 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 09:04:08 AM
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 04, 2017, 08:44:24 AMDo you people honestly believe the eggs are full-sized when they come out of the queen?
Aliens literally shows us they are.
Plus, even if it was small, an acid-melted hole in a metal dropship would be pretty conspicuous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 04, 2017, 09:42:43 AM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 04, 2017, 09:42:43 AM
Lol
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 09:04:08 AMQuote from: necrotard on Aug 04, 2017, 08:44:24 AMDo you people honestly believe the eggs are full-sized when they come out of the queen?
Aliens literally shows us they are.
Plus, even if it was small, an acid-melted hole in a metal dropship would be pretty conspicuous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 04, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 04, 2017, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 09:04:08 AMI mean when they come out of the QUEEN and into the ovipositor. Aliens shows us a queen attached to a filled ovipositor as well as dozens of other eggs that had already been laid. You seem to assume that all ingredients for the eggs are swirling about in the ovipositor and the queen's body doesn't contain any of the elements. I'm assuming the eggs start out small inside her body, then grow inside the ovipositor.Quote from: necrotard on Aug 04, 2017, 08:44:24 AMDo you people honestly believe the eggs are full-sized when they come out of the queen?
Aliens literally shows us they are.
Plus, even if it was small, an acid-melted hole in a metal dropship would be pretty conspicuous.
But I suppose since James Cameron didn't explicitly show that with close-ups and a detailed narration, it must be impossible and I must just be reaching again. ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 01:53:34 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2017, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: necrotard on Aug 04, 2017, 11:42:55 AMBut I suppose since James Cameron didn't explicitly show that with close-ups and a detailed narration, it must be impossible and I must just be reaching again. ::)
What a strange thing to say.
James Cameron didn't need to show us anything, it was Alien 3 that put an egg on the Sulaco without attempting to explain it. That's why everyone in this thread is reaching.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 04, 2017, 09:47:05 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 04, 2017, 09:47:05 PM
Reaching grasping yearning
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
Bishop had about 20 minutes to fly to the derelict, get an egg, fly to the Sulaco, place the egg there then fly back to the Atmosphere Processor.
IMO it was Bishop. All androids in the Alien saga have a secret agenda (David, Ash, Call). For all we know, Walter as well.
IMO it was Bishop. All androids in the Alien saga have a secret agenda (David, Ash, Call). For all we know, Walter as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 05, 2017, 10:48:30 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Aug 05, 2017, 10:48:30 AM
I wonder how many minds this thread has actually changed on the matter. :P
I'd be surprised if any.
I'd be surprised if any.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 11:39:44 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 11:39:44 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 10:10:03 AMFlight time Sulaco to ground is something like 17 minutes, so no.
Bishop had about 20 minutes to fly to the derelict, get an egg, fly to the Sulaco, place the egg there then fly back to the Atmosphere Processor.
IMO it was Bishop. All androids in the Alien saga have a secret agenda (David, Ash, Call). For all we know, Walter as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 11:46:51 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 11:39:44 AMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 10:10:03 AMFlight time Sulaco to ground is something like 17 minutes, so no.
Bishop had about 20 minutes to fly to the derelict, get an egg, fly to the Sulaco, place the egg there then fly back to the Atmosphere Processor.
IMO it was Bishop. All androids in the Alien saga have a secret agenda (David, Ash, Call). For all we know, Walter as well.
That's the autopilot, Bishop was flying by manual control.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 12:29:45 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 12:29:45 PM
Granted, but the screen time of the initial drop is still around 5 minutes (especially if we include Hudson's DC rant).
Point is it's still going to take way longer than 20 minutes to fly to the derelict, grab an egg, fly into orbit, get out of the dropship, stash the egg, and fly back down to the atmosphere processor.
Point is it's still going to take way longer than 20 minutes to fly to the derelict, grab an egg, fly into orbit, get out of the dropship, stash the egg, and fly back down to the atmosphere processor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2017, 12:50:29 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2017, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 12:29:45 PM
Granted, but the screen time of the initial drop is still around 5 minutes (especially if we include Hudson's DC rant).
Point is it's still going to take way longer than 20 minutes to fly to the derelict, grab an egg, fly into orbit, get out of the dropship, stash the egg, and fly back down to the atmosphere processor.
And even that depends on the xeno's letting Bishop stroll in and walk out with an egg, which is far from guaranteed...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
The idea is he gets it from the derelict, not the hive.
Which means landing, getting out, going into the derelict, finding the eggs, grabbing one, stopping said egg from impregnating Hicks on the way to the Sulaco, etc.
Which means landing, getting out, going into the derelict, finding the eggs, grabbing one, stopping said egg from impregnating Hicks on the way to the Sulaco, etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
I'm not even saying he had 20 minutes. Could have been longer, up to 30 minutes. How long was Ripley in the hive?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 05, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 05, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
I'm not even saying he had 20 minutes. Could have been longer, up to 30 minutes. How long was Ripley in the hive?
When Ripley gets into the elevator and takes her jacket off and readies her weapons, she only has 15 minutes to reach minimum safe distance according to the warning.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 01:48:06 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 01:48:06 PM
As soon as the place began exploding, it wasn't 'safe'. So, with the place exploding around her, add another 15 minutes, maybe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2017, 02:23:08 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2017, 02:23:08 PM
Would have surely taken quite some time for Bishop to get down from the derelict to the egg chamber and then back again (while carrying an egg)?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 05, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 05, 2017, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2017, 02:23:08 PM
Would have surely taken quite some time for Bishop to get down from the derelict to the egg chamber and then back again (while carrying an egg)?
It would also take considerable time to go back to the sulaco, dock with it, plant the egg, and then fly back for Ripley. There's no way it could all be done in 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2017, 04:32:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2017, 04:32:26 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2017, 02:40:32 AM
Covenant scanned its Ship and it was years before Aliens!
Okay, I finally saw AC. My feelings about the movie aside, I got the impression that Mother identified and tracked the alien with it's video surveillance system when it began running through the ship's corridors.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 05, 2017, 04:33:43 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 05, 2017, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 01:13:55 PMWhich means landing, getting out, going into the derelict, finding the eggs, grabbing one, stopping said egg from impregnating Hicks on the way to the Sulaco, etc.
This.
More to the point, him getting it shits all over the entire point of his character in Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2017, 04:36:20 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 05, 2017, 04:36:20 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 05, 2017, 04:33:43 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 01:13:55 PMWhich means landing, getting out, going into the derelict, finding the eggs, grabbing one, stopping said egg from impregnating Hicks on the way to the Sulaco, etc.
This.
More to the point, him getting it shits all over the entire point of his character in Aliens.
That too...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2017, 04:37:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2017, 04:37:36 PM
Bishop either had no motive, no opportunity or no legs. Take your pick.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 09:10:46 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 01:48:06 PMThe countdown was for minimum safe distance, not whether the place itself was safe. The countdown at the end of the film is actually fairly accurate for screen time as well.
As soon as the place began exploding, it wasn't 'safe'. So, with the place exploding around her, add another 15 minutes, maybe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 05, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 05, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
Flight time Sulaco to Hadley was 50 minutes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 09:12:57 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 05, 2017, 09:12:57 PM
And there you have it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 05, 2017, 09:20:40 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 05, 2017, 09:20:40 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
Bishop had about 20 minutes to fly to the derelict, get an egg, fly to the Sulaco, place the egg there then fly back to the Atmosphere Processor.
It's probably best one pays attention to the film before espousing theories.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2017, 09:36:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2017, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
Flight time Sulaco to Hadley was 50 minutes.
Moreover, flight time from Sulaco to Hadley was probably shorter than the return flight for reasons that are obvious to anyone who's familiar with the concept of gravity.
Quote from: SM on Aug 05, 2017, 09:20:40 PM
It's probably best one pays attention to the film before espousing theories.
That requires effort combined with critical thinking.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 11:59:48 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 11:59:48 PM
Alright, no need to get nasty now.
The 50 minutes flight time was for Bishop to autopilot the dropship from the Sulaco to the Colony. If I'm not mistaken.
The 50 minutes flight time was for Bishop to autopilot the dropship from the Sulaco to the Colony. If I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 06, 2017, 12:11:20 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 06, 2017, 12:11:20 AM
No need for people to get tetchy! Let's just accept that the egg was nonsensical bullshit and move on... ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 12:13:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 12:13:56 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 11:59:48 PMWhy would it be less time manually?
Alright, no need to get nasty now.
The 50 minutes flight time was for Bishop to autopilot the dropship from the Sulaco to the Colony. If I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2017, 12:50:38 AM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2017, 12:50:38 AM
Nearly 11 years and this thread is still going.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:02:04 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:02:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 12:13:56 AMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 11:59:48 PMWhy would it be less time manually?
Alright, no need to get nasty now.
The 50 minutes flight time was for Bishop to autopilot the dropship from the Sulaco to the Colony. If I'm not mistaken.
Because it was just a little joystick and computer console as opposed to actually piloting it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 01:04:58 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 01:04:58 AM
And? It's still traveling the same distance at the same speed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:07:36 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:07:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 01:04:58 AM
And? It's still traveling the same distance at the same speed.
How do you know that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 06, 2017, 01:48:55 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 06, 2017, 01:48:55 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Aug 06, 2017, 12:50:38 AM
Nearly 11 years and this thread is still going.
And it'll still be going in another 11....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 01:55:15 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 01:55:15 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:07:36 AMYou're the one saying it isn't; that's up to you to prove.
How do you know that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 06, 2017, 01:55:41 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 06, 2017, 01:55:41 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:07:36 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 01:04:58 AM
And? It's still traveling the same distance at the same speed.
How do you know that?
Why would it it fly slower? I cant see a reason for the dropship to fly slower simply because its on remote. We can assume the distance hasnt changed. In anycase even if it took 10 minutes to get the egg to and on board the sulaco (not including the time it would take to retrieve an egg) and then 10 minutes back it still would have been too late. Bishop just didnt have the time to accomplish the task and no matter how you spin it, its not going to add up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 05, 2017, 11:59:48 PM
Alright, no need to get nasty now.
The 50 minutes flight time was for Bishop to autopilot the dropship from the Sulaco to the Colony. If I'm not mistaken.
The mission times when they initially land indicate the same flight time. When they're doing the initial sweep the mission times are around 1 hour 3 minutes (time to fly from Sulaco plus Ferro doing the flyover, plus landing and entering the colony) up to 1 hour 31 minutes by the time the area is declared secure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 02:32:40 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 02:32:40 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 01:55:15 AMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 01:07:36 AMYou're the one saying it isn't; that's up to you to prove.
How do you know that?
You're assuming it's travelling at the same distance/speed, and that's up to you to prove. I gave a reason why it might not be.
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
The mission times when they initially land indicate the same flight time. When they're doing the initial sweep the mission times are around 1 hour 3 minutes (time to fly from Sulaco plus Ferro doing the flyover, plus landing and entering the colony) up to 1 hour 31 minutes by the time the area is declared secure.
Do you have a reference for this info or are you just making this up?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 02:35:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 02:35:45 AM
It's on the screens when we see the view from the Marines' helmet cameras as they move through the colony.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 02:52:44 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 02:52:44 AM
Ok, I'll have to watch Aliens again and check. When did the mission start? When they put on their helmets?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 06, 2017, 03:04:34 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 06, 2017, 03:04:34 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 02:52:44 AM
Ok, I'll have to watch Aliens again and check. When did the mission start? When they put on their helmets?
Its like no matter how wrong you are, you just can't stop yourself. You just keep doubling down regardless.
Been a lot of that on the boards today.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2017, 03:49:03 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2017, 03:49:03 AM
Bishop got the egg from where the queen was laying them when Ripley found Newt.
He didn't need to go to the derelict.
Plus in the film you see him rising up from where Ripley just came from...with the queen following.
He didn't need to go to the derelict.
Plus in the film you see him rising up from where Ripley just came from...with the queen following.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 04:08:14 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 04:08:14 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2017, 03:49:03 AMThere was nowhere to land. He would've had to have waited for Ripley to go down, take the other elevator, sneak past her to the Queen's chamber that he had no idea where is, get back to the landing platform, take off, and circle around just to f**k with Ripley?
Bishop got the egg from where the queen was laying them when Ripley found Newt.
He didn't need to go to the derelict.
Plus in the film you see him rising up from where Ripley just came from...with the queen following.
And the Queen doesn't follow the dropship in any way. She takes the elevator that Ripley had called down. Them both reaching the platform at the same time is coincidence.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 04:16:08 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 04:16:08 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 06, 2017, 03:04:34 AM
Its like no matter how wrong you are, you just can't stop yourself. You just keep doubling down regardless.
Nobody is right or wrong. No need for the attitude.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 04:33:50 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 04:33:50 AM
Everyone's welcome to their ideas and opinions. Everyone is welcome to express and discuss them.
But that doesn't mean there's no such thing as wrong and right or that every idea is valid.
There isn't enough time for Bishop to have done what you suggest. Therefore you are wrong when you say that's what could have happened.
But that doesn't mean there's no such thing as wrong and right or that every idea is valid.
There isn't enough time for Bishop to have done what you suggest. Therefore you are wrong when you say that's what could have happened.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 06:04:00 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 06:04:00 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 04:16:08 AMQuote from: 426Buddy on Aug 06, 2017, 03:04:34 AM
Its like no matter how wrong you are, you just can't stop yourself. You just keep doubling down regardless.
Nobody is right or wrong. No need for the attitude.
No. You're wrong.
Go watch the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 06:55:32 AM
I will, but you still won't be able to definitively tell me how long it took. Number one, it's a work of fiction. Number two, there may have been things not shown on screen to account for the mission time. There are many other questions as well. I'm not even stating that I'm right, that's the difference between you and I.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 07:11:14 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 07:11:14 AM
No the difference is - I'm right, and you're just being difficult.
The dialogue matches what's shown on screen, and you theory about Bishop and the egg is baseless.
Copping out with 'It's a work of fiction' is predictable.
The dialogue matches what's shown on screen, and you theory about Bishop and the egg is baseless.
Copping out with 'It's a work of fiction' is predictable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 07:16:37 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 07:16:37 AM
No, you're left. :P
I just checked, it doesn't show when the mission start time is, the first time you see the mission time it is 22 minutes in while they're still in the dropship. The mission time could have already started while they were on the Sulaco.
Next time you see it is Apone's cam when they're already in the Colony and it reads ??:02:03 (presumably 1 hour). So that means it took 40 minutes from when they were sitting in the drop ship to when the marines entered the Colony complex. That of course does not match screentime.
I just checked, it doesn't show when the mission start time is, the first time you see the mission time it is 22 minutes in while they're still in the dropship. The mission time could have already started while they were on the Sulaco.
Next time you see it is Apone's cam when they're already in the Colony and it reads ??:02:03 (presumably 1 hour). So that means it took 40 minutes from when they were sitting in the drop ship to when the marines entered the Colony complex. That of course does not match screentime.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 07:19:17 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 07:19:17 AM
The earliest it would've started is once they were all geared up and loading into the dropship. More likely the mission time would've begun with the drop itself. Either way, it's longer than 20 minutes from Sulaco to ground, and as many hairs as we might split over the exact time -- the idea that Bishop could've done what you said is still wrong.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 07:29:04 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 07:29:04 AM
Not exactly, because we don't know how long Ripley was in the hive. It's stated "15 minutes to reach minimum safe distance" but that doesn't necessarily mean 15 minutes until it explodes.
EDIT: I'm not trying to be 'difficult', I'm just having a discussion. Let's keep it civil.
EDIT: I'm not trying to be 'difficult', I'm just having a discussion. Let's keep it civil.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 07:39:15 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 07:39:15 AM
No it means fifteen minutes till it explodes.
It gives a two minute warning in the elevator on the way up and about 2 minutes later, it explodes.
It gives a two minute warning in the elevator on the way up and about 2 minutes later, it explodes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 07:45:53 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 07:45:53 AM
Granted, I'm watching it now and it does say 2 minutes. That rules that out.
But it's still possible if Bishop could do it in 15 minutes.
It could've been placed up there in the rafters of the dropship, though. It certainly looks like it. A good place for Bishop to hide it. Why didn't it open? It didn't open until Kane was peering right down into it. The rules for when it opens aren't clear.
But it's still possible if Bishop could do it in 15 minutes.
It could've been placed up there in the rafters of the dropship, though. It certainly looks like it. A good place for Bishop to hide it. Why didn't it open? It didn't open until Kane was peering right down into it. The rules for when it opens aren't clear.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 07:56:00 AM
How could he have done it in fifteen minutes?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 08:03:29 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 08:03:29 AM
It takes more than 15 minutes to get from the Sulaco to the ground. That's one way of a two-way trip that also includes a detour to a derelict ship. Even assuming he had found the Jordan's log detailing where in the derelict they found the eggs, he still needs to fly out there, set down, get out, grab an egg, and stop it from impregnating Hicks on the way back up to the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 08:43:46 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 06, 2017, 08:43:46 AM
He just needs to put it in the dropship. No need to fly to the Sulaco. Either grab an egg from the hive, or the derelict, it doesn't matter. The egg in Alien 3 looks like it's in the dropship, not the Sulaco, anyway.
As for why the egg didn't open, I already addressed that.
As for why the egg didn't open, I already addressed that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 10:42:30 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 10:42:30 AM
How does he avoid his programming and put Hicks in harms way?
And when he has the egg on board why does he wait around to pick up Ripley and Newt and jeopardise his mission?
He asked rhetorically...
And when he has the egg on board why does he wait around to pick up Ripley and Newt and jeopardise his mission?
He asked rhetorically...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 11:00:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 11:00:45 AM
It's 7 minutes from the colony to the landing platform (They go from 26 minutes on the timer when they leave the colony to 19 minutes on the timer when they land), so there's nowhere near enough time to get to the derelict.
It's already been explained why him getting the egg from the egg chamber doesn't work either.
It's already been explained why him getting the egg from the egg chamber doesn't work either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 07, 2017, 01:59:11 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 07, 2017, 01:59:11 AM
If Cameron had intended Bishop to get the egg it would have been a little more explicit.
The film activity makes a point of making Bishop seem like he's going to be another Ash, but as it turns out he isn't.
The film activity makes a point of making Bishop seem like he's going to be another Ash, but as it turns out he isn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 02:12:44 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 02:12:44 AM
Quite. He's the anti-Ash.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 07, 2017, 02:24:51 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 07, 2017, 02:24:51 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2017, 10:42:30 AM
How does he avoid his programming and put Hicks in harms way?
And when he has the egg on board why does he wait around to pick up Ripley and Newt and jeopardise his mission?
He asked rhetorically...
You can get creative and come up with any kind of answers to those.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 06, 2017, 11:00:45 AM
It's 7 minutes from the colony to the landing platform (They go from 26 minutes on the timer when they leave the colony to 19 minutes on the timer when they land), so there's nowhere near enough time to get to the derelict.
Well Bishop says 26 minutes left, then by the time Ripley reaches the elevator it's 15 minutes.
QuoteIt's already been explained why him getting the egg from the egg chamber doesn't work either.
I don't know about that. Surely there's plenty of eggs laying all around the place. He just has to land the ship, pick one up, get back in the ship and meet Ripley in 15 minutes. Easy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 02:32:11 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 02:32:11 AM
QuoteYou can get creative and come up with any kind of answers to those.
Off you go then.
QuoteI don't know about that. Surely there's plenty of eggs laying all around the place. He just has to land the ship, pick one up, get back in the ship and meet Ripley in 15 minutes. Easy.
The eggs are in the Queens chamber or they're taken to a new host. They're not just "laying all around the place."
Where is he going to land that will keep Hicks out of harms way? And why come back for Ripley and Newt?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 02:46:15 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 02:46:15 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 07, 2017, 02:24:51 AMYes, and between those two points they land on the platform and Bishop says 19 minutes, meaning the flight time was seven minutes and it took Ripley four minutes to get her guns and get to the elevator.
Well Bishop says 26 minutes left, then by the time Ripley reaches the elevator it's 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 03:15:07 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 03:15:07 AM
Dropships can hover.
And be remotely piloted
He didn't need to land.
Jump out
Grab
Get back in
And be remotely piloted
He didn't need to land.
Jump out
Grab
Get back in
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 04:37:20 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 04:37:20 AM
They can be remotely piloted via control panel. Now you're saying he ran in carrying the controls, palmed a three foot tall egg, held AND operated the remote control in his spare hand, and somehow managed to get back into a hovering dropship?
...could you try thinking about what you're saying before you say it?
...could you try thinking about what you're saying before you say it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 04:41:11 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 04:41:11 AM
He's an android. He can multitask.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 07, 2017, 05:19:07 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 07, 2017, 05:19:07 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 02:32:11 AM
The eggs are in the Queens chamber or they're taken to a new host. They're not just "laying all around the place."
Then how do you explain the eggs the marines discovered?
QuoteWhere is he going to land that will keep Hicks out of harms way? And why come back for Ripley and Newt?
That is minor details, the main thing is whether it's possible.
What is your theory then? Or do you consider Alien 3 a plothole?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 05:23:16 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 05:23:16 AM
QuoteThen how do you explain the eggs the marines discovered?
See above - "taken to a new host".
QuoteThat is minor details, the main thing is whether it's possible.
The minor details you blithely hand wave are what makes it impossible. It doesn't matter - I didn't think you'd have an answer anyway.
My theory has been presented more times than I can count. Go look it up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 05:44:12 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 05:44:12 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 04:41:11 AMHe's not the T1000, he's only got two arms. You also haven't explained how he'd get back on a hovering ship with his hands full.
He's an android. He can multitask.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 07, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 07, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
At the end of the day Bishop is not the reason the Egg is on the Suluco. It was never implied and there is no evidence to base that theory on.
The egg is there because it served the plot of A3 and so the retcon is that it was layed by the queen during the assent to the Suluco at the end of Aliens. The placement of the egg in A3 is just artistic liscening with regards to the consistency of the set appearance.
We have no reason to think anything other than this. Reaching for complicated explainations is redundant when simple ones are right there.
The egg is there because it served the plot of A3 and so the retcon is that it was layed by the queen during the assent to the Suluco at the end of Aliens. The placement of the egg in A3 is just artistic liscening with regards to the consistency of the set appearance.
We have no reason to think anything other than this. Reaching for complicated explainations is redundant when simple ones are right there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 07, 2017, 11:59:58 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 07, 2017, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 05:23:16 AMQuoteThen how do you explain the eggs the marines discovered?
See above - "taken to a new host".
Then you answered your own question.
QuoteQuoteThat is minor details, the main thing is whether it's possible.
The minor details you blithely hand wave are what makes it impossible. It doesn't matter - I didn't think you'd have an answer anyway.
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." - Arthur Conan Doyle
QuoteMy theory has been presented more times than I can count. Go look it up.
I don't know what to search for, unless you're asking me to search through this thread page by page, which would take some time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 12:33:33 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 12:33:33 PM
The only new host was Newt. Ripley shot that egg.
Your suggestions are what we're eliminating as impossible. The only thing that's going to be left is what's in the film - Bishop didn't do it.
Your suggestions are what we're eliminating as impossible. The only thing that's going to be left is what's in the film - Bishop didn't do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 01:15:50 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 07, 2017, 01:15:50 PM
Quote
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." - Arthur Conan Doyle
Continually dodging pertinent questions isn't going to suddenly make your theory remotely plausible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 03:14:46 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 12:33:33 PMBurke' egg.
The only new host was Newt. Ripley shot that egg.
Your suggestions are what we're eliminating as impossible. The only thing that's going to be left is what's in the film - Bishop didn't do it.
Hudson's egg.
Androids are bad. Period.
Just wait till those Tesla AI cars start deciding who dies in an accident.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2017, 04:52:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2017, 04:52:26 PM
The ending of Alien Covenant had me laughing like a maniac with regard to this thread. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2017, 03:14:46 PMSo you've got nothing, you know you've got nothing, and at this point you're just trolling :PQuote from: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 12:33:33 PMBurke' egg.
The only new host was Newt. Ripley shot that egg.
Your suggestions are what we're eliminating as impossible. The only thing that's going to be left is what's in the film - Bishop didn't do it.
Hudson's egg.
Androids are bad. Period.
Just wait till those Tesla AI cars start deciding who dies in an accident.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 08, 2017, 01:36:21 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 08, 2017, 01:36:21 AM
It was bishop.
Period.
Period.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 01:47:03 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 01:47:03 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 07, 2017, 12:33:33 PM
The only new host was Newt. Ripley shot that egg.
What about:
Apone
Dietrich
Hudson
Burke
Are you saying their eggs were already hatched? Possibly. Remember in AVP there were dozens of eggs sitting there and only a small number of victims. So you're 'one egg per person' doesn't hold up to later films. Or don't you count AVP? There could have been other eggs laying around we didn't see, not just in the Queen's chamber. With hardly any aliens about the hive, Bishop could easily have walked in and got one.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 07, 2017, 04:52:26 PM
The ending of Alien Covenant had me laughing like a maniac with regard to this thread. ;D
You think Bishop may have regurgitated some facehugger embryos? Never thought of that before, but why not?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 01:55:45 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 01:55:45 AM
QuoteAre you saying their eggs were already hatched?
Yes. Based on Newt being the last person abducted and her egg hatching seconds before Ripley arrived, of course they'd already hatched.
QuoteRemember in AVP there were dozens of eggs sitting there and only a small number of victims. So you're 'one egg per person' doesn't hold up to later films. Or don't you count AVP?
Aliens didn't have a conveyor belt delivering eggs to another part of the hive, so any comparisons to AvP are irrelevant.
QuoteThere could have been other eggs laying around we didn't see, not just in the Queen's chamber. With hardly any aliens about the hive, Bishop could easily have walked in and got one.
Why did the neither the marines nor Ripley never once encounter an unopened egg if they're just "laying around"?
Where did Bishop land and how did he bypass his core programming again?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 02:06:00 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 02:06:00 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 01:55:45 AM
Aliens didn't have a conveyor belt delivering eggs to another part of the hive, so any comparisons to AvP are irrelevant.
I meant this scene:
QuoteWhy did the neither the marines nor Ripley never once encounter an unopened egg if they're just "laying around"?
Because it wasn't required for the story.
QuoteWhere did Bishop land and how did he bypass his core programming again?
Are you saying it is impossible for Bishop to land and that it is impossible for his core programming to be overriden?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 02:11:54 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 02:11:54 AM
I'm asking you.
Bishop says he can't harm or by omission of action allow harm to come to a human. And spends the entire film doing precisely that. So how did he bypass it, and then unbypass it to pick up Ripley and Newt?
And I know which scene you meant in AvP. The eggs were laid by the Queen, then delivered to the sacrificial chamber using an automated system. There is no such system in the AP Station so there's no comparison.
Bishop says he can't harm or by omission of action allow harm to come to a human. And spends the entire film doing precisely that. So how did he bypass it, and then unbypass it to pick up Ripley and Newt?
And I know which scene you meant in AvP. The eggs were laid by the Queen, then delivered to the sacrificial chamber using an automated system. There is no such system in the AP Station so there's no comparison.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 08, 2017, 03:01:43 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 08, 2017, 03:01:43 AM
Why are we blaming Bishop? Because he's a robot? That's.... racist or something. It could've been Hicks. I mean, how do we know he was really unconscious when Ripley got back? He was covered with Alien blood. That allowed him to go into the hive undetected. He ran in and got the egg while Bishop was taking a leak, then planted it during the hangar battle. Simple. As. F***.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 03:16:10 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 03:16:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 02:11:54 AM
I'm asking you.
Bishop says he can't harm or by omission of action allow harm to come to a human. And spends the entire film doing precisely that. So how did he bypass it, and then unbypass it to pick up Ripley and Newt?
And I'm asking you, if it's impossible, then why?
EDIT: Ever heard of unreliable narrator?
QuoteAnd I know which scene you meant in AvP. The eggs were laid by the Queen, then delivered to the sacrificial chamber using an automated system. There is no such system in the AP Station so there's no comparison.
The conveyor belt didn't put the eggs there. The warriors did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 03:44:00 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 03:44:00 AM
The conveyor (and a series of elevators) brought them to the room the same way the first batch arrived. An Alien would have to move them around as more arrived.
Otherwise you've just been taking the piss for several pages now by dodging or flat out ignoring questions that you have no explanation for, and presenting no evidence to support your arguments. It's beyond boring now.
Otherwise you've just been taking the piss for several pages now by dodging or flat out ignoring questions that you have no explanation for, and presenting no evidence to support your arguments. It's beyond boring now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 03:53:53 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 03:53:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 03:44:00 AM
The conveyor (and a series of elevators) brought them to the room the same way the first batch arrived. An Alien would have to move them around as more arrived.
The conveyor was only used for those 7 eggs that got Rousseau and her crew.
If they just kept popping out of there like you imply, they would still have to be moved. So why would the aliens move all the eggs if it was only one egg per person?
EDIT: Ok, I just checked and the hive does appear to be the same room as the sacrificial chamber:
You can see the mummified bodies and the columns on the wall are the same.
Still, that one egg per victim is just a fan theory and has never been shown in the films.
QuoteOtherwise you've just been taking the piss for several pages now by dodging or flat out ignoring questions that you have no explanation for, and presenting no evidence to support your arguments. It's beyond boring now.
No need to get tetchy, now. If you don't want to continue the discussion, no need for negative posts, just stop posting.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Aug 08, 2017, 05:27:55 AM
Post by: windebieste on Aug 08, 2017, 05:27:55 AM
Clearly a sophisticated mechanism distributes 7 eggs and delivers 1 each to the prone hosts in the sacrificial chamber. The excess eggs the Queen continues to produce get redirected and relegated into storage once that mechanism has fully incremented by 7.
-Windebieste.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 08, 2017, 08:18:17 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 08, 2017, 08:18:17 AM
If Bishop had stolen an egg and bypassed his programming he already had Hicks on board.
Why bother going back for Ripley and Newt?
He could have just flown off and got Hicks hugged to get the alien through ICC quarantine.
Why bother going back for Ripley and Newt?
He could have just flown off and got Hicks hugged to get the alien through ICC quarantine.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 08:51:14 AM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 08:51:14 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 08, 2017, 08:18:17 AM
If Bishop had stolen an egg and bypassed his programming he already had Hicks on board.
Why bother going back for Ripley and Newt?
He could have just flown off and got Hicks hugged to get the alien through ICC quarantine.
This.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 08, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 08, 2017, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 03:53:53 AMThe problem we're having is it's not our job to prove your point. If you think Bishop did it, you need to come up with something more than 'BUT IS IT IMPOSSIBLE?' over and over.
No need to get tetchy, now. If you don't want to continue the discussion, no need for negative posts, just stop posting.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 09:39:50 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 09:39:50 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 08, 2017, 08:18:17 AM
If Bishop had stolen an egg and bypassed his programming he already had Hicks on board.
Why bother going back for Ripley and Newt?
He could have just flown off and got Hicks hugged to get the alien through ICC quarantine.
Tried asking that question maybe 6 or 7 hundred times.
I wish you luck. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 11:37:36 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 11:37:36 AM
Character motivation is just something you can speculate on, it's not concrete.
Maybe he needed extra hosts.
Maybe he was running two different programs.
Maybe WY had programmed special orders into him.
Maybe he was ordered to bring back Ripley as well.
There's so many different scenarios you can come up with. Yes I know what you're going to say, that there's no evidence for any of these (aside from what happened in the other films). Yet the only evidence of Bishop's 'programming' is a few lines of dialogue, which could be unreliable narration.
I'm not saying Bishop did it. It's way more likely Bishop did it than the Queen, though. The Queen had a much smaller time window to lay an egg, conceal it, then go back to hunting Newt while Ripley was getting suited up in the powerloader.
Maybe he needed extra hosts.
Maybe he was running two different programs.
Maybe WY had programmed special orders into him.
Maybe he was ordered to bring back Ripley as well.
There's so many different scenarios you can come up with. Yes I know what you're going to say, that there's no evidence for any of these (aside from what happened in the other films). Yet the only evidence of Bishop's 'programming' is a few lines of dialogue, which could be unreliable narration.
I'm not saying Bishop did it. It's way more likely Bishop did it than the Queen, though. The Queen had a much smaller time window to lay an egg, conceal it, then go back to hunting Newt while Ripley was getting suited up in the powerloader.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 08, 2017, 11:58:14 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 08, 2017, 11:58:14 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 07, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
At the end of the day Bishop is not the reason the Egg is on the Suluco. It was never implied and there is no evidence to base that theory on.
The egg is there because it served the plot of A3 and so the retcon is that it was layed by the queen during the assent to the Suluco at the end of Aliens. The placement of the egg in A3 is just artistic liscening with regards to the consistency of the set appearance.
We have no reason to think anything other than this. Reaching for complicated explainations is redundant when simple ones are right there.
/thread
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 08, 2017, 12:05:33 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Aug 08, 2017, 12:05:33 PM
Let's certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 11:37:36 AMCharacter motivation is just something you can speculate on, it's not concrete.
No, it isn't.
The fact he simply didn't have time to do it is, though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 12:12:24 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 12:12:24 PM
^We'll get back to that rabbit hole in due time.
Nonsense, it was implied several times:
-"Mr Burke gave instructions that they were to be kept alive in stasis for return to the company labs" IE: Bishop is there to follow Company orders.
-The weird look Bishop gives Spunkmeyer (originally he was supposed to wear contacts, making him look creepier)
-The facehugger noise in the end credits of Aliens
-"That's a nice pet you got there Bishop" Bishop mirroring Ash with the facehugger
Bishop's line about not being allowed to harm a human being was likely just said to reassure Ripley and gain her trust.
As far as filmmaker intentions goes, that's another rabbit hole. Not always will a filmmaker flat out state their intention, which is why there are so many theories floating around.
If it was Hicks, he was already wounded and doped up with morphine, unless Hicks and Bishop were in on it together.
QuoteIt was never implied
Nonsense, it was implied several times:
-"Mr Burke gave instructions that they were to be kept alive in stasis for return to the company labs" IE: Bishop is there to follow Company orders.
-The weird look Bishop gives Spunkmeyer (originally he was supposed to wear contacts, making him look creepier)
-The facehugger noise in the end credits of Aliens
-"That's a nice pet you got there Bishop" Bishop mirroring Ash with the facehugger
Bishop's line about not being allowed to harm a human being was likely just said to reassure Ripley and gain her trust.
As far as filmmaker intentions goes, that's another rabbit hole. Not always will a filmmaker flat out state their intention, which is why there are so many theories floating around.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Aug 08, 2017, 03:01:43 AM
Why are we blaming Bishop? Because he's a robot? That's.... racist or something. It could've been Hicks. I mean, how do we know he was really unconscious when Ripley got back? He was covered with Alien blood. That allowed him to go into the hive undetected. He ran in and got the egg while Bishop was taking a leak, then planted it during the hangar battle. Simple. As. F***.
If it was Hicks, he was already wounded and doped up with morphine, unless Hicks and Bishop were in on it together.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 08, 2017, 12:26:42 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 08, 2017, 12:26:42 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Aug 08, 2017, 11:58:14 AMQuote from: Russ840 on Aug 07, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
At the end of the day Bishop is not the reason the Egg is on the Suluco. It was never implied and there is no evidence to base that theory on.
The egg is there because it served the plot of A3 and so the retcon is that it was layed by the queen during the assent to the Suluco at the end of Aliens. The placement of the egg in A3 is just artistic liscening with regards to the consistency of the set appearance.
We have no reason to think anything other than this. Reaching for complicated explainations is redundant when simple ones are right there.
/thread
Does that mean 'end thread' ? sorry. Lol im not well versed in abbreviations.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2017, 12:57:32 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2017, 12:57:32 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 12:12:24 PM^We'll get back to that rabbit hole in due time.
So we're going to temporarily gloss over the fact he couldn't possibly have done it for you to continue "proving" that he did :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 08, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 08, 2017, 01:16:58 PM
QuoteDoes that mean 'end thread' ?
Yes. You've explained the egg perfectly. There's no need to continue the discussion, but oh what the hell...
QuoteIf it was Hicks, he was already wounded and doped up with morphine, unless Hicks and Bishop were in on it together.
Hicks was a double agent, faking his injuries, and of course they were in on it together.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Yeah. This discussiom seams to be goin nowhere.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2017, 01:46:36 PM
This discussion is not meant to be resolved. It is meant to be continuous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 08, 2017, 02:15:05 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 08, 2017, 02:15:05 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Yeah. This discussiom seams to be goin nowhere.
The discussion could have easily been ended on page one. It's a glaring continuity error that only exists to give the writers an excuse to come up with a story. Think it's just a case of seeing how long we can possibly keep it going now, helps that new posters keep popping up whenever it begins to slow down... ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 02:29:36 PM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 02:29:36 PM
Lol ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2017, 03:01:41 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2017, 03:01:41 PM
Would it be ridiculous to speculate than an android like Bishop could swallow some underdeveloped eggs and then regurgitate them at a later time? Is that within the realm of possibility or is it just too absurd to contemplate?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2017, 03:05:04 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 08, 2017, 03:05:04 PM
Where would he get those outside of the Queen's egg sac, which he never gets anywhere near?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
I'm sure someone will come along with a theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
Post by: Russ840 on Aug 08, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
Perhaps he took the egg from the Facehugger that was removed from Maracheck. John J. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Aug 08, 2017, 01:16:58 PMQuoteDoes that mean 'end thread' ?
Yes. You've explained the egg perfectly. There's no need to continue the discussion, but oh what the hell...QuoteIf it was Hicks, he was already wounded and doped up with morphine, unless Hicks and Bishop were in on it together.
Hicks was a double agent, faking his injuries, and of course they were in on it together.
Turk was Hicks' cover.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 08, 2017, 09:02:07 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 08, 2017, 09:02:07 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 12:12:24 PMBishop's intent is irrelevant if he can't physically do what you're saying.
^We'll get back to that rabbit hole in due time.
Why are you doing this? You've got nothing to back you up but you're desperately grasping at this straw. Why?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: stephen on Aug 09, 2017, 05:55:41 AM
Post by: stephen on Aug 09, 2017, 05:55:41 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 07, 2017, 11:39:41 AM
The egg is there because it served the plot of A3 and so the retcon is that it was layed by the queen during the assent to the Suluco at the end of Aliens. The placement of the egg in A3 is just artistic liscening with regards to the consistency of the set appearance.
We have no reason to think anything other than this. Reaching for complicated explainations is redundant when simple ones are right there.
Couldn't be more accurate if you tried.
However, for me personally, part of the fun of movies that I'm a fan of is to answer continuity/plot errors. It's all a big wank of course. I'm the first to admit it. And what you say is the real truth of it. But it's still fun to surmise how it could have happened.
There is a lot of bullshit theories out there, mine being one of them. But that's just the thing, they're all bullshit. Some are just...deeper then others.
Still fun to surmise though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 09, 2017, 06:20:17 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 09, 2017, 06:20:17 AM
It's not "accurate". There's no "retcon is that it was layed by the queen during the assent to the Suluco". There's nothing. It's speculation just like everything else. Speculation that doesn't require a triple front sault with a half twist, certainly, but speculation nonetheless.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 06:49:05 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 06:49:05 AM
What does the writer of Alien 3 have to say about all this?
Is it so much of a stretch that if he was able to fly the dropship into the Atmosphere Processor (the place is big enough for the dropship to fly into, but not land in? wtf?), that he was able to land somewhere down below, or even have it hover above ground, while he exited and went the same way as the marines did before, found an unopened egg, then carried it back to the dropship in time to meet Ripley? Why is this grasping at straws? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Furthermore, if you want to get retroactive, Alien Covenant established that androids can and do sneak aliens aboard spaceships.
BISHOP
The company knows everything that happened on the ship. It all
goes into the computer and gets sent back to the network.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 08, 2017, 09:02:07 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2017, 12:12:24 PMBishop's intent is irrelevant if he can't physically do what you're saying.
^We'll get back to that rabbit hole in due time.
Why are you doing this? You've got nothing to back you up but you're desperately grasping at this straw. Why?
Is it so much of a stretch that if he was able to fly the dropship into the Atmosphere Processor (the place is big enough for the dropship to fly into, but not land in? wtf?), that he was able to land somewhere down below, or even have it hover above ground, while he exited and went the same way as the marines did before, found an unopened egg, then carried it back to the dropship in time to meet Ripley? Why is this grasping at straws? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Furthermore, if you want to get retroactive, Alien Covenant established that androids can and do sneak aliens aboard spaceships.
BISHOP
The company knows everything that happened on the ship. It all
goes into the computer and gets sent back to the network.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 07:25:03 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 07:25:03 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 06:49:05 AMWhich one?
What does the writer of Alien 3 have to say about all this?
QuoteIs it so much of a stretch that if he was able to fly the dropship into the Atmosphere Processor (the place is big enough for the dropship to fly into, but not land in? wtf?), that he was able to land somewhere down below, or even have it hover above ground, while he exited and went the same way as the marines did before, found an unopened egg, then carried it back to the dropship in time to meet Ripley? Why is this grasping at straws? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.Because you aren't able to explain any of that. I asked before how Bishop was able to remote pilot the ship, carry an egg, and get back on a hovering Dropship and your answer amounted to "lol android" ::)
And you have never even tried to explain why Bishop would go back when he has Hicks to use as a host. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 08:18:42 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 08:18:42 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 07:25:03 AMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 06:49:05 AMWhich one?
What does the writer of Alien 3 have to say about all this?
David Giler/Walter Hill, whoever wrote the final draft.
QuoteQuoteIs it so much of a stretch that if he was able to fly the dropship into the Atmosphere Processor (the place is big enough for the dropship to fly into, but not land in? wtf?), that he was able to land somewhere down below, or even have it hover above ground, while he exited and went the same way as the marines did before, found an unopened egg, then carried it back to the dropship in time to meet Ripley? Why is this grasping at straws? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.Because you aren't able to explain any of that. I asked before how Bishop was able to remote pilot the ship, carry an egg, and get back on a hovering Dropship and your answer amounted to "lol android" ::)
You're mistaking me for another poster.
QuoteAnd you have never even tried to explain why Bishop would go back when he has Hicks to use as a host. It makes no sense.
It makes no sense to you. There are potentially many reasons why he went back for Ripley. For one thing, Ripley is more valuable to The Company given her experience dealing with xenomorphs, while Hicks is just a grunt. Why did they ask Ripley to go back to LV-426? She must have some value to them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 08:18:42 AMHill, Giler, Fasano. It's a moot point, the script doesn't mention an egg and the scene breakdown for that sequence specified two eggs.
David Giler/Walter Hill, whoever wrote the final draft.
QuoteYou're mistaking me for another poster.My mistake, but you just suggested the same thing that had been shot down a page or two back.
QuoteIt makes no sense to you.It makes no sense.
QuoteFor one thing, Ripley is more valuable to The Company given her experience dealing with xenomorphs, while Hicks is just a grunt.Hicks would be more valuable as he could describe the Alien in military terms and assess its threat level for their bio-weapons division; Ripley was just a civilian. The only thing she knew that Hicks didn't was the Nostromo incident and they had that information on file.
As for Ripley's value, you're not even consistent in your own post: if she's valuable enough for Bishop to risk his covert mission to pick her up from the atmosphere processor, why send her into possible danger in the first place?
You're also forgetting that while Bishop was made by the Company, he wasn't owned or sent by them. The Sulaco didn't broadcast to the Company specifically, they broadcast to the network.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2017, 09:28:44 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2017, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 09:21:25 AMHill, Giler, Fasano. It's a moot point, the script doesn't mention an egg and the scene breakdown for that sequence specified two eggs.
If I remember correctly, the only script that actually attempts to justify the presence of Aliens on the Sulaco is Gibson's, and obviously that never got made.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 09, 2017, 09:45:32 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 09, 2017, 09:45:32 AM
I not sure even Gibson's justified it. The UPP find an egg rooted to Bishop's entrails in his hypersleep pod.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 09:48:33 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 09:48:33 AM
Anyone know how I can get in touch with David Giler or Walter Hill, I'll ask them directly.
It wasn't much risk, otherwise Bishop would never have bothered. He knew he still had time.
And I was just saying that Ripley is more valuable than Hicks (all the marines were expendable, even the highest ranking like Apone and Gorman, the original plan for Ripley was to impregnate her with an embryo so they could get an alien through quarantine).
But it makes more sense to have 3 possible hosts for the facehugger/s than only one. Increases your chances of successful implantation.
How do you know this? Who owned/sent him then?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
As for Ripley's value, you're not even consistent in your own post: if she's valuable enough for Bishop to risk his covert mission to pick her up from the atmosphere processor, why send her into possible danger in the first place?
It wasn't much risk, otherwise Bishop would never have bothered. He knew he still had time.
And I was just saying that Ripley is more valuable than Hicks (all the marines were expendable, even the highest ranking like Apone and Gorman, the original plan for Ripley was to impregnate her with an embryo so they could get an alien through quarantine).
But it makes more sense to have 3 possible hosts for the facehugger/s than only one. Increases your chances of successful implantation.
QuoteYou're also forgetting that while Bishop was made by the Company, he wasn't owned or sent by them.
How do you know this? Who owned/sent him then?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 09:57:43 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 09:48:33 AMThey won't answer. It wasn't in the script.
Anyone know how I can get in touch with David Giler or Walter Hill, I'll ask them directly.
QuoteIt wasn't much risk, otherwise Bishop would never have bothered.They had two minutes to evacuate. It was a huge risk; he bothered because his programming wouldn't let him let harm come by Ripley by doing nothing.
QuoteAnd I was just saying that Ripley is more valuable than Hicks.But she's not.
QuoteBut it makes more sense to have 3 possible hosts for the facehugger/s than only one. Increases your chances of successful implantation.What would prevent the facehugger infecting a knocked-out person, exactly?
QuoteHow do you know this? Who owned/sent him then?Bishop's with the marines.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2017, 10:00:36 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2017, 10:00:36 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 09, 2017, 09:45:32 AMI not sure even Gibson's justified it. The UPP find an egg rooted to Bishop's entrails in his hypersleep pod.
He says, or at least strongly implies, it grows out of genetic material the Queen deposited inside him when she impaled him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
Twohy has them finding eggs in space.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 10:24:16 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 09:57:43 AMQuote from: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 09:48:33 AMThey won't answer. It wasn't in the script.
Anyone know how I can get in touch with David Giler or Walter Hill, I'll ask them directly.
But it was someone's idea to put the egg there.
QuoteQuoteIt wasn't much risk, otherwise Bishop would never have bothered.They had two minutes to evacuate. It was a huge risk; he bothered because his programming wouldn't let him let harm come by Ripley by doing nothing.
If he really did not want Ripley harmed, he would never have let her go alone into a hive full of murderous aliens, armed with only a flamethrower and 99 rounds of ammunition.
QuoteQuoteAnd I was just saying that Ripley is more valuable than Hicks.But she's not.
I tried to modify my original post but my slow connection prevented me. Hicks is no more valuable than the other marines. Burke needed Ripley to get an alien through quarantine.
QuoteQuoteBut it makes more sense to have 3 possible hosts for the facehugger/s than only one. Increases your chances of successful implantation.What would prevent the facehugger infecting a knocked-out person, exactly?
Don't get your point.
[quote[
QuoteHow do you know this? Who owned/sent him then?Bishop's with the marines.
[/quote]
While they do appear to have a prior history, nothing is stated whether Bishop had been with them on missions before.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2017, 10:29:24 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2017, 10:29:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 10:02:19 AMTwohy has them finding eggs in space.
Twohy's never really deals with what happens on the Sulaco, which was my point. Ripley and the others never appear. All the others have Aliens on the Sulaco at the start, but only Gibson makes any attempt to explain how they got there (and even he has some of them magically appearing in his first draft, something he fixed in the second).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Hemi on Aug 09, 2017, 10:38:09 AM
Post by: Hemi on Aug 09, 2017, 10:38:09 AM
The egg shot should just be removed from the final movie. Stowaway huggers would have been better imo. The shot itself is a tad useless.
And why is it on the ceiling again?
Do you want actors to literally say it in the camera? Or do you want a good movie? :P
And why is it on the ceiling again?
QuoteWhile they do appear to have a prior history, nothing is stated whether Bishop had been with them on missions before.
Do you want actors to literally say it in the camera? Or do you want a good movie? :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 10:24:16 AMAn egg being there isn't the issue. Where it is, is the issue. And that came about during the shoot, not the script. And their answer would be "We had to do something so we stuck it somewhere".
But it was someone's idea to put the egg there.
QuoteIf he really did not want Ripley harmed, he would never have let her go alone into a hive full of murderous aliens, armed with only a flamethrower and 99 rounds of ammunition.He couldn't leave Hicks.
QuoteI tried to modify my original post but my slow connection prevented me. Hicks is no more valuable than the other marines. Burke needed Ripley to get an alien through quarantine.No, Burke needed victims. Ripley and Newt were conveniently separated from the others.
QuoteDon't get your point.Hicks was unconscious; why would Bishop need to care about maximizing potential hosts when he has an unconscious victim already lying around?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 09, 2017, 10:24:16 AMIf he really did not want Ripley harmed, he would never have let her go alone into a hive full of murderous aliens, armed with only a flamethrower and 99 rounds of ammunition.
In his role attached to a marine combat unit, he "lets" human beings march into dangerous situations all the time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 09, 2017, 08:37:18 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 09, 2017, 08:37:18 PM
Bishop cut himself too.
He put Hudson in danger.
He's not perfect.
Hence the scene.
And Ripley's reaction to the corn bread.
He put Hudson in danger.
He's not perfect.
Hence the scene.
And Ripley's reaction to the corn bread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 12:26:22 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 12:26:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 10:51:35 AM
An egg being there isn't the issue. Where it is, is the issue. And that came about during the shoot, not the script. And their answer would be "We had to do something so we stuck it somewhere".
They actually had to build the egg prop first, it wasn't just a case of just "we stuck it somewhere". Someone must have had the idea to include the egg, had the prop department build one, plus the set where they placed it.
QuoteHe couldn't leave Hicks.
He didn't have to take Ripley to the Atmosphere Processor, either, he could have just flown back to the Sulaco.
QuoteNo, Burke needed victims. Ripley and Newt were conveniently separated from the others.
He could've got one of the marines. Lt Gorman was unconscious, perfect opportunity. But having civilians infected would be easier to get through quarantine, presumably.
QuoteHicks was unconscious; why would Bishop need to care about maximizing potential hosts when he has an unconscious victim already lying around?
As we saw in Alien 3, there were at least 2 facehuggers. Plus he gives the facehugger more choice of hosts.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2017, 12:41:06 PM
In his role attached to a marine combat unit, he "lets" human beings march into dangerous situations all the time.
Marines, yes, not civilians with no combat training.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 10, 2017, 12:42:37 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Aug 10, 2017, 12:42:37 AM
Ripley: Was there an alien on board?
Bishop: *beat* Yes...*coughs* I brought them.
Ripley: What was that?
Bishop: Nothing.
You'd think if it was meant to be Bishop he'd have confessed to Ripley on his death bed.
I guess their friendly banter about hurt legs and new hair cuts was all a ruse, so he could hide his secret of stolen eggs in a window of impossible time.
Bishop: *beat* Yes...*coughs* I brought them.
Ripley: What was that?
Bishop: Nothing.
You'd think if it was meant to be Bishop he'd have confessed to Ripley on his death bed.
I guess their friendly banter about hurt legs and new hair cuts was all a ruse, so he could hide his secret of stolen eggs in a window of impossible time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 01:23:33 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 01:23:33 AM
You know what, when I watched Aliens again earlier and the scene where Ripley says "Bishop, you did ok.", then Bishop says "I did?", followed by him being impaled by an alien's tail. It's almost as if Bishop is being punished for something.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 10, 2017, 02:39:14 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 10, 2017, 02:39:14 AM
We're all being punished.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 03:33:11 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 03:33:11 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Aug 10, 2017, 02:39:14 AM
We're all being punished.
That's a negative attitude.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 10, 2017, 03:52:43 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 10, 2017, 03:52:43 AM
I'm kidding. :P
But clarify because I've lost track. Is this Bishop thing what you believe?
But clarify because I've lost track. Is this Bishop thing what you believe?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 04:13:23 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 04:13:23 AM
What I believe isn't important.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Hemi on Aug 10, 2017, 06:49:34 AM
Post by: Hemi on Aug 10, 2017, 06:49:34 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Aug 10, 2017, 02:39:14 AM
We're all being punished.
Brilliant :laugh:
QuoteWhat I believe isn't important.
When folk start to question the actual creators of the movies and start believing their own theories then yeah, really not important...sorry. :-\
These discussions pop-up more often now, specially with convoluted movies like Prometheus and Covenant. What surprises me is that the orginals are beeing subjected to these questions by the fans.
Alien and Aliens are clear as day, and if the directors had some weird meaning behind characters and secret plotlines, don't you think we would have known by now? As if Cameron goes to bed at night rubbing his hands together, laughing sinister and going; "Muhahaha, I have them all fooled! Pesky Aliens fanboys. Muhahaha."
No...
Now Ridley on the other hand... :P
PS: The egg on the sulaco simply tells you what kind of movie you are about to watch... One with many mistakes, lol. (and still one of my personal favourites) :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 08:48:50 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 08:48:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 09, 2017, 10:02:19 AM
Twohy has them finding eggs in space.
Wasn't it a fossilized facehugger?
Quote from: Hemi on Aug 09, 2017, 10:38:09 AM
The egg shot should just be removed from the final movie. Stowaway huggers would have been better imo. The shot itself is a tad useless.
And it goes nicely with that easter egg during the Aliens credits. I prefer the concept myself but it does raise the question (and quite rightfully) of why it wouldn't have tried to get Newt or Ripley at the end of Aliens. You can fansplain it away with the Queen told it to get to safety or whatever.
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 12:26:22 AM
They actually had to build the egg prop first, it wasn't just a case of just "we stuck it somewhere". Someone must have had the idea to include the egg, had the prop department build one, plus the set where they placed it.
I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that mutliple were actually built? I remember something about production documents talking about multiple miniature eggs for Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 09:06:58 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 09:06:58 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 08:48:50 AMWasn't it a fossilized facehugger?
In a moment of pure Jurassic Park rip-off, it's fossilised in amber.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 08:48:50 AMI have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that mutliple were actually built? I remember something about production documents talking about multiple miniature eggs for Alien 3.
I imagine they had some lying around from the meat locker scene that never got filmed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 09:24:12 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 09:24:12 AM
I'm not sure they needed any for the meat locker, did they? I thought that was more cocoons than actual eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 09:43:23 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 09:43:23 AM
Good point, the Queen hadn't been born yet!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 09:47:39 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2017, 09:47:39 AM
There was that rumor around for a while that was for eggmorphing though.
I really wish we'd have got to see the Runner kidnapping and cocooning people in preparation for the Queen.
I really wish we'd have got to see the Runner kidnapping and cocooning people in preparation for the Queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 10:09:15 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 10:09:15 AM
Yeah, I rewatched the film yesterday and even in the bit where Ripley goes to find it to see if it'll kill her - it's just hanging around in a basement doing nothing, which seems kinda silly. It would've been nice to see it starting to build a hive down there, even if it was just a bit of goop on the walls.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 10, 2017, 10:57:36 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 10, 2017, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Aug 10, 2017, 12:42:37 AM
Ripley: Was there an alien on board?
Bishop: *beat* Yes...*coughs* I brought them.
Ripley: What was that?
Bishop: Nothing.
You'd think if it was meant to be Bishop he'd have confessed to Ripley on his death bed.
I guess their friendly banter about hurt legs and new hair cuts was all a ruse, so he could hide his secret of stolen eggs in a window of impossible time.
Bishop would have just told Ripley if he did anything. Well, at least if she questioned him. In the AD version of River of Pain, there is a scene where Gorman tells Burke that if questioned , Bishop would reveal information as he is not a spy. Burke asks Gorman to have him reprogrammed but Gorman refuses.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 10, 2017, 04:40:10 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 10, 2017, 04:40:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 10:09:15 AM
Yeah, I rewatched the film yesterday and even in the bit where Ripley goes to find it to see if it'll kill her - it's just hanging around in a basement doing nothing, which seems kinda silly. It would've been nice to see it starting to build a hive down there, even if it was just a bit of goop on the walls.
Yeah, it would have been nice, but is it really any different than Big Chap literally hanging around when Brett wandered his way right under him?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 07:52:28 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 10, 2017, 07:52:28 PM
It had only just been born. It hadn't been running around the ship for hours killing people.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 10, 2017, 10:17:37 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 10, 2017, 10:17:37 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 10, 2017, 12:26:22 AMThere were supposed to be two, going by the call sheet for that day's filming. Nobody knows why they only filmed one.
They actually had to build the egg prop first, it wasn't just a case of just "we stuck it somewhere". Someone must have had the idea to include the egg, had the prop department build one, plus the set where they placed it.
QuoteHe didn't have to take Ripley to the Atmosphere Processor, either, he could have just flown back to the Sulaco.That has nothing to do with what you were replying to. You asked why he didn't go into the hive with Ripley.
QuoteGorman was awake by then. Ripley and Newt were isolated and asleep.
He could've got one of the marines. Lt Gorman was unconscious, perfect opportunity. But having civilians infected would be easier to get through quarantine, presumably.
QuoteAs we saw in Alien 3, there were at least 2 facehuggers. Plus he gives the facehugger more choice of hosts.TC of Alien 3 only shows one facehugger.
And please stop ignoring the question: Why does there need to be a choice of hosts? The huggers aren't picky.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 02:37:22 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 02:37:22 PM
Have we reached consensus yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 03:36:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 03:36:55 PM
I need a ruling. Preferably by someone in the British Commonwealth.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
Woah, lets not be hasty! There's still another 96 pages of discussion to go.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 04:19:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 04:19:20 PM
Yeah, but the newbies have been remiss in posting their revolutionary new theories lately.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2017, 04:26:52 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 17, 2017, 04:26:52 PM
They're probably afraid of that guy from down under.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 05:32:22 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 17, 2017, 05:32:22 PM
They should be. They should be...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2017, 05:49:51 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2017, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 17, 2017, 04:26:52 PMThey're probably afraid of that guy from down under.
What's not to be scared of?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 18, 2017, 05:00:37 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 18, 2017, 05:00:37 AM
Haha!
My favourite thread.
Resurrected.
It's all a dream!!!!!
Bishop did it!!
He was a Droid!!!!
SM eats Canadian Bacon!!
My favourite thread.
Resurrected.
It's all a dream!!!!!
Bishop did it!!
He was a Droid!!!!
SM eats Canadian Bacon!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 18, 2017, 05:00:37 AMWhy is this still a discussion. Let's focus on the fact that the alien skull has eye-holes.
Haha!
My favourite thread.
Resurrected.
It's all a dream!!!!!
Bishop did it!!
He was a Droid!!!!
SM eats Canadian Bacon!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
Online movie forums never cease to amaze like witnessing a fanboy idolizing another fanboy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 18, 2017, 04:41:05 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 18, 2017, 04:41:05 PM
You're asking for it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2017, 12:37:49 PMAnd nostril-holes.
Let's focus on the fact that the alien skull has eye-holes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 18, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 18, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2017, 12:37:49 PMQuote from: Vermillion on Nov 18, 2017, 05:00:37 AMWhy is this still a discussion. Let's focus on the fact that the alien skull has eye-holes.
Haha!
My favourite thread.
Resurrected.
It's all a dream!!!!!
Bishop did it!!
He was a Droid!!!!
SM eats Canadian Bacon!!
Yes...no skull!!!!
SM Still prefers Vinegar or Ketchup!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 18, 2017, 06:10:17 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 18, 2017, 06:10:17 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 05:23:24 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
Let's focus on the fact that the alien skull has eye-holes.
And nostril-holes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 06:21:09 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 06:21:09 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 18, 2017, 05:32:25 PMToo late.
Yes...no skull!!!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 19, 2017, 02:17:59 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 19, 2017, 02:17:59 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 17, 2017, 05:49:51 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 17, 2017, 04:26:52 PMThey're probably afraid of that guy from down under.
What's not to be scared of?
http://geekspodcast.com/geekpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/TankFeatured-540x350.jpg
I don't think he's from here.
This guy however...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 19, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 19, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 18, 2017, 05:23:24 PMWell in that case it surely has ear holes too.Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2017, 12:37:49 PMAnd nostril-holes.
Let's focus on the fact that the alien skull has eye-holes.
The skull lives and Bishop did it because he had to know whether the rumors of the skull were true or not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 19, 2017, 05:12:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 19, 2017, 05:12:36 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2017, 02:17:59 AMI don't think he's from here.
This guy however...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/roadwarrior/images/4/4f/Wez.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111105015928
Is he from Queensland?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 19, 2017, 06:04:37 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 19, 2017, 06:04:37 PM
:laugh:
Prolly from Birdsville, Queensland.
Prolly from Birdsville, Queensland.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 19, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 19, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 19, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
Well in that case it surely has ear holes too.
And is there a human brain encased in the human skull that's encased in the alien dome?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 19, 2017, 07:24:44 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 19, 2017, 07:24:44 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 19, 2017, 05:12:36 PMQuote from: SM on Nov 19, 2017, 02:17:59 AMI don't think he's from here.
This guy however...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/roadwarrior/images/4/4f/Wez.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111105015928
Is he from Queensland?
Rushy. Country Victoria. Long way off geographically. Not so far off otherwise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 19, 2017, 11:41:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 19, 2017, 11:41:55 PM
Is Rushy also the cradle of SMity?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 20, 2017, 12:00:55 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 20, 2017, 12:00:55 AM
Shit no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 20, 2017, 02:23:10 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Nov 20, 2017, 02:23:10 AM
That's Bennett!!
He let off some steam!!!
He let off some steam!!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 20, 2017, 02:50:25 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 20, 2017, 02:50:25 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 19, 2017, 07:10:27 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Nov 19, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
Well in that case it surely has ear holes too.
And is there a human brain encased in the human skull that's encased in the alien dome?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 20, 2017, 03:23:20 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 20, 2017, 03:23:20 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 20, 2017, 02:50:25 AM
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/86/e1/fb/86e1fb893c04f16bcc6698f5723249e3.jpg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 20, 2017, 09:54:09 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Nov 20, 2017, 09:54:09 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 20, 2017, 12:30:57 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 20, 2017, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2017, 02:17:59 AMI don't think he's from here.
This guy however...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/roadwarrior/images/4/4f/Wez.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111105015928
;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 20, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Nov 20, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 01, 2018, 10:20:21 AM
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 01, 2018, 10:20:21 AM
If it was Bishop it goes against his Asimov Protocols
If it was the Queen she must have stood on her head to lay an egg at that angle
I vote poorly written plot device
If it was the Queen she must have stood on her head to lay an egg at that angle
I vote poorly written plot device
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 01, 2018, 11:22:07 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 01, 2018, 11:22:07 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Nov 19, 2017, 07:10:27 PMThere has to be; where else would it store the human soul of the host victim.Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 19, 2017, 09:21:15 AM
Well in that case it surely has ear holes too.
And is there a human brain encased in the human skull that's encased in the alien dome?
Man we need to get some plausible reason for Ripley having been impregnated. Why not just assume that the facehugger already got to her before she awoke in Aliens to see the two jars knocked over. I mean Burke couldn't have carried both at the same time. He got greedy and dumped the second one off as the first was doing it's business on Ripley's face. Yea the Sulaco egg crap is still a nightmare but that's all the upside down egg thing really is. A facehugger catching a ride on the Queen is completely possible. Even merely just scuttling aboard the drop ship is ok too. There simply was never ever an egg on board; just disarrayed writing. So when Bishop says it was with them all the way he meant on the drop ship as well.
Come on guys, let's fix this shit and exonerate Bishop. Yes exonerate 'cause until someone proves otherwise Bishop is still Guilty.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Apollo on Feb 01, 2018, 11:44:04 AM
Post by: Apollo on Feb 01, 2018, 11:44:04 AM
I would say it was always the Queen as I'm pretty sure that was the way it was meant to be interpreted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 01, 2018, 12:35:05 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 01, 2018, 12:35:05 PM
Bishop.
It's the only way to be sure.
It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Was thinking how Alien: Covenant fits into the egg on the Sulaco debate.
Alien: Covenant shows tiny eggs that are yet to grow big (David barfs some out). Maybe the Sulaco egg started really tiny and grew until mature enough?
Of course, it needed to be slapped into the upright position by someone/something.
Alien: Covenant shows tiny eggs that are yet to grow big (David barfs some out). Maybe the Sulaco egg started really tiny and grew until mature enough?
Of course, it needed to be slapped into the upright position by someone/something.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
I didn't think they were eggs, just Facehugger embryos that David had somehow created.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 02:07:37 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 01:22:57 PMDoes that imply that he would be able to grow a facehugger without an egg?
I didn't think they were eggs, just Facehugger embryos that David had somehow created.
That does not seem right. I think the embryos would grow to be eggs.
But still, they were a creation of David's and not classical Queen eggs that's probably the case in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 04:51:57 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 02:07:37 PMDoes that imply that he would be able to grow a facehugger without an egg?
Either that or he'd removed one from an egg early in development and stuck it in something else to keep it cosy while it was in the drawer on the Covenant.
Still wouldn't explain how he knew exactly what size to make the little blob so it fit perfectly inside the recessed trays he'd never seen aboard a ship he'd never set foot on :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 01, 2018, 06:13:34 PM
Post by: judge death on Feb 01, 2018, 06:13:34 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 02:07:37 PMWell his xenos arent the originals but just his attempt at recreating them from the finds he found on that planet from the engineers. Hence the differences and they grow way faster but are way more dumb and less dangerous.Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 01:22:57 PMDoes that imply that he would be able to grow a facehugger without an egg?
I didn't think they were eggs, just Facehugger embryos that David had somehow created.
That does not seem right. I think the embryos would grow to be eggs.
But still, they were a creation of David's and not classical Queen eggs that's probably the case in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 01, 2018, 07:57:23 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 01, 2018, 07:57:23 PM
hmm Alien: Covenant is a prequel to Aliens and Alien³... so that means it must have been David who planted the alien egg upside down aboard the Sulaco. Of course this is all predicated on him surviving the next movie and taking over the company as the rightful heir. Actually, holy shit that would be something.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 09:51:37 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 09:51:37 PM
Checked the Alien: Covenant novelization and the small facehugger embryos are actually called eggs. Of course that does not prove anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 01, 2018, 11:13:14 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 01, 2018, 11:13:14 PM
Covenant screwed up a lot of things. I will not list them. You all discuss them daily.
The 5 second facehug.
Yeah. Ruined Kane's hug.
The 5 second facehug.
Yeah. Ruined Kane's hug.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PredBabe on Feb 02, 2018, 01:07:16 AM
Post by: PredBabe on Feb 02, 2018, 01:07:16 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 04:51:57 PM
Still wouldn't explain how he knew exactly what size to make the little blob so it fit perfectly inside the recessed trays he'd never seen aboard a ship he'd never set foot on :P
Could it be that he switched chips with Walter? Or something to that effect.
Also It's not like this was the first ever colonization mission. Who's to say David never saw this spacecraft/tray design. But maybe I'm just grasping for something to make sense of it all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 02, 2018, 03:21:59 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 02, 2018, 03:21:59 AM
Oh, its this f**kin* thread!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 02, 2018, 04:03:34 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 02, 2018, 04:03:34 AM
Quote from: PredBabe on Feb 02, 2018, 01:07:16 AMOh no. A thread about how did David know about the tray sizes. This thread is nutty enough :PQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 01, 2018, 04:51:57 PM
Still wouldn't explain how he knew exactly what size to make the little blob so it fit perfectly inside the recessed trays he'd never seen aboard a ship he'd never set foot on :P
Could it be that he switched chips with Walter? Or something to that effect.
Also It's not like this was the first ever colonization mission. Who's to say David never saw this spacecraft/tray design. But maybe I'm just grasping for something to make sense of it all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PredBabe on Feb 02, 2018, 04:31:28 AM
Post by: PredBabe on Feb 02, 2018, 04:31:28 AM
Maybe the queen queefed them out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 02, 2018, 06:54:13 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 02, 2018, 06:54:13 AM
Well the eggs do sort of resemble a purse. Perhaps she just keeps them facehuggers in there like any other lady would keep her lipstick.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:18:54 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:18:54 PM
"We examined the lifeboat centimetre by centimetre and found no physical evidence of the creature you describe."
Kane's son brought an egg on the Narcissus, hidden away where Ripley wouldn't find it. The Company found it and put it on the Sulaco. Not Van Leuwen or anyone at the board meeting knew anything about it.
Have a go with that theory.
Kane's son brought an egg on the Narcissus, hidden away where Ripley wouldn't find it. The Company found it and put it on the Sulaco. Not Van Leuwen or anyone at the board meeting knew anything about it.
Have a go with that theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:18:54 PM
"We examined the lifeboat centimetre by centimetre and found no physical evidence of the creature you describe."
Kane's son brought an egg on the Narcissus, hidden away where Ripley wouldn't find it. The Company found it and put it on the Sulaco. Not Van Leuwen or anyone at the board meeting knew anything about it.
Have a go with that theory.
So the egg was actually Brett who wasn't torched by Ripley because the scene was deleted?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:56:17 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:56:17 PM
I didn't say it was Brett, it could have been Parker or Lambert.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 02:59:11 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:56:17 PMBut we see Parker and Lambert and there's no time for them to turn into eggs.
I didn't say it was Brett, it could have been Parker or Lambert.
But I like the idea that the Sulaco egg was actually Brett, best outlandish theory yet!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 02, 2018, 07:01:09 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 02, 2018, 07:01:09 PM
Right
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
Are there any production pictures of the filming of this scene?
Maybe they would reveal more about the surroundings of the environment. It was probably filmed by second unit.
Maybe they would reveal more about the surroundings of the environment. It was probably filmed by second unit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Feb 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Feb 02, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
Are there any production pictures of the filming of this scene?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/9/9e/Sulaco_Egg.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091125233543
Maybe they would reveal more about the surroundings of the environment. It was probably filmed by second unit.
I'm not 100% sure, I could be wrong. But, I believe that was shot as a miniature? ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 02, 2018, 08:04:17 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 02, 2018, 08:04:17 PM
Previous scripts told of Alien Soldiers/Drones/Whatever-You-May-Call-Them, that hid among the Sulaco along with the Queen. Would it be that difficult to extrapolate that idea, maybe without explanation, grabbed two eggs, and planted them and sealed them near the freezers. In the resulting explosion they (or one, died) died, releasing more acid they ate through the Sulaco, exacerbating the fire. This actually might have made the descent worse, if the escape pods weren't already rigged to be unsafe by Weyland-Yutani.
It could be a number of things. But the fact they had at least one or two of the bastards on the ship hiding throughout the scripts, gives credence in my mind that it wasn't only the Queen that snuck up in the Sulaco. As for a total scan, you know how Aliens are. They're a little Mary-Sue. "They don't show up on infrared at all." They could have waited for them to go into hypersleep, noticing they're not moving; and planted the eggs to make the LV-426 hive survive and continued to flourish.
That's always been my take on reading the scripts. They did the best they could to root them out, but xenomorphs are sneaky strategic bastards, and I wouldn't put it past the Queen to bring one or two m8s with her to seal the deal. Distract them with a fight, while the the other one or two hide for the right moment.
This is all my head canon, but the fact that even Ward brought this up suggests that, well. The only answer left is off screen, a xenomorph planted the egg, and died in the resulting electrical fire.
It could be a number of things. But the fact they had at least one or two of the bastards on the ship hiding throughout the scripts, gives credence in my mind that it wasn't only the Queen that snuck up in the Sulaco. As for a total scan, you know how Aliens are. They're a little Mary-Sue. "They don't show up on infrared at all." They could have waited for them to go into hypersleep, noticing they're not moving; and planted the eggs to make the LV-426 hive survive and continued to flourish.
That's always been my take on reading the scripts. They did the best they could to root them out, but xenomorphs are sneaky strategic bastards, and I wouldn't put it past the Queen to bring one or two m8s with her to seal the deal. Distract them with a fight, while the the other one or two hide for the right moment.
This is all my head canon, but the fact that even Ward brought this up suggests that, well. The only answer left is off screen, a xenomorph planted the egg, and died in the resulting electrical fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 02, 2018, 10:45:37 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 02, 2018, 10:45:37 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 02:59:11 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPa5oVG-nIIQuote from: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:56:17 PMBut we see Parker and Lambert and there's no time for them to turn into eggs.
I didn't say it was Brett, it could have been Parker or Lambert.
But I like the idea that the Sulaco egg was actually Brett, best outlandish theory yet!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:16:19 AM
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:16:19 AM
Does anyone know how or why the egg hatched? I thought it normally hatched when a host was close to it (cf. Alien when Kane gets close to it and Aliens when Ripley is in the egg chamber and Newt is stuck in the goo). But Ripley, Newt, and Hicks (or some random guy if you take A:CM as canon) are in cryosleep when the facehugger impregnates Ripley. Why does the egg hatch at all? Did it detect human warmth through a plate of glass? And how does it break the glass in the first place?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 03, 2018, 01:21:15 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 03, 2018, 01:21:15 AM
Quote from: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:16:19 AM
Does anyone know how or why the egg hatched? I thought it normally hatched when a host was close to it (cf. Alien when Kane gets close to it and Aliens when Ripley is in the egg chamber and Newt is stuck in the goo). But Ripley, Newt, and Hicks (or some random guy if you take A:CM as canon) are in cryosleep when the facehugger impregnates Ripley. Why does the egg hatch at all? Did it detect human warmth through a plate of glass? And how does it break the glass in the first place?
I believe it was the queen alien that broke the glass, since you know, its armored. We just never saw it. I mean facehuggers can lunge at you from a ways away, I don't think it's impossible for even a regular facehugger to break some glass.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:39:39 AM
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:39:39 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 03, 2018, 01:21:15 AMThe queen was blown out of the airlock long before they went into cryo. Sure I guess a facehugger could break some glass with one of its long fingers maybe, but why? Did it sense body heat? And that still doesn't answer what would have prompted it to hatch in the first place? Unless I guess it had already hatched before they went into cryo...
I believe it was the queen alien that broke the glass, since you know, its armored. We just never saw it. I mean facehuggers can lunge at you from a ways away, I don't think it's impossible for even a regular facehugger to break some glass.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2018, 02:33:46 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2018, 02:33:46 AM
Quote from: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:39:39 AMSure I guess a facehugger could break some glass with one of its long fingers maybe, but why? Did it sense body heat?
You mean exactly like it did with Kane?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 02:57:54 AM
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 02:57:54 AM
I figure it thrust its whole body from the egg to latch onto Kane's face. Would the Alien 3 hugger do the same thing through a sheet of glass? I guess it could, yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 03, 2018, 03:38:28 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 03, 2018, 03:38:28 AM
It's right there in the novel folks. Take a peek.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Feb 03, 2018, 03:56:53 AM
Post by: DerelictShip on Feb 03, 2018, 03:56:53 AM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 03, 2018, 03:38:28 AM
It's right there in the novel folks. Take a peek.
I'm late here, what is this novelization?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2018, 05:34:33 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 03, 2018, 05:34:33 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 03, 2018, 01:21:15 AMQuote from: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:16:19 AM
Does anyone know how or why the egg hatched? I thought it normally hatched when a host was close to it (cf. Alien when Kane gets close to it and Aliens when Ripley is in the egg chamber and Newt is stuck in the goo). But Ripley, Newt, and Hicks (or some random guy if you take A:CM as canon) are in cryosleep when the facehugger impregnates Ripley. Why does the egg hatch at all? Did it detect human warmth through a plate of glass? And how does it break the glass in the first place?
I believe it was the queen alien that broke the glass, since you know, its armored. We just never saw it. I mean facehuggers can lunge at you from a ways away, I don't think it's impossible for even a regular facehugger to break some glass.
Which glass? In the cryotube bay?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 09:10:44 AM
Post by: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 03, 2018, 05:34:33 AMYes. It's not unfeasible in my opinion that the hugger could break the glass, my question is why it would have broken the glass or hatched in the first place. In the case of Kane in the derelict, he touched the egg first, which made a sound and clearly caused the egg to open. That and the facehugger might have felt a relative change in heat and/or motion from a single source around it. In the case of the egg on the Sulaco, what would have caused it to open? If it was closed when Aliens ends and Ripley, Newt, and Hicks are in cryo, I can't think of anything that would have prompted it to open. We've only seen eggs open when a host is close by, otherwise (presumably) the facehugger would be unable to support itself and just die. Even if it did hatch due to someone walking a bit too close to the egg or something before cryo that we didn't see, why would the hugger have broken the glass? Did it wait by idly while Ripley went into cryo and not do anything? Did it come back later and sense Ripley's body temperature through the glass? Does it have eyes?
Which glass? In the cryotube bay?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 03, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 03, 2018, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Feb 03, 2018, 03:56:53 AMThe Alien3 novelization by Alan Dean Foster.Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 03, 2018, 03:38:28 AM
It's right there in the novel folks. Take a peek.
I'm late here, what is this novelization?
"Sliding to one side, it eventually located the nearly imperceptible line which separated the transparent dome of the cylinder from its metal base. Tiny claws drove into minuscule crack as the incredibly powerful tail secured a purchase on the instrumentation at the head of the cylinder. The creature excerted tremendous leverage, its small body quivering with the effort. Seals were strained. The thing's effort was unforgiving, its reserves of strength inconceivable.
The lower edge of the transparent dome snapped, the metallic glass splitting parallel to the floor. A sliver of the clear materiial, sharp as a surgical instrument, drove straight into the creature's body. Frigid air erupted from the cylinder until an emergency seal restored its atmospheric integrity.
...
Emitting periodic, unearthly shrieks the mortally wounded crawler flung itself across the room, legs and tail flailing spasmodically at the transparent sliver which pierced its body. It landed atop the cylinder in which reposed the motionless Hicks, its legs convulsively gripping the crest of the dome. Shuddering, quivering, it clawed at the metallic glass while acidic body fluids pumped from the wound. They ate into the glass , into the metal base of the cylinder, into and through the floor. Smoke began to rise from somewhere beneath the deck, filling the chamber."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 03, 2018, 04:01:30 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 03, 2018, 04:01:30 PM
Quote from: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 01:39:39 AMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 03, 2018, 01:21:15 AMThe queen was blown out of the airlock long before they went into cryo. Sure I guess a facehugger could break some glass with one of its long fingers maybe, but why? Did it sense body heat? And that still doesn't answer what would have prompted it to hatch in the first place? Unless I guess it had already hatched before they went into cryo...
I believe it was the queen alien that broke the glass, since you know, its armored. We just never saw it. I mean facehuggers can lunge at you from a ways away, I don't think it's impossible for even a regular facehugger to break some glass.
I meant the queen face hugger sorry. But that's canonically dubious, but so is everything
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 07, 2018, 03:01:59 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 07, 2018, 03:01:59 PM
How long was the facehugger on Ripley?
From the movie it seems like a really short time.
Maybe the 5 second facehug from Covenant is not so outlandish.
From the movie it seems like a really short time.
Maybe the 5 second facehug from Covenant is not so outlandish.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2018, 05:03:38 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2018, 05:03:38 PM
Originally it was supposed to impregnate Newt, and then the embryo would switch hosts when Newt started to drown. They never filmed that bit, but obviously showing Ripley Facehugged during the intro would ruin the later surprise that she's carrying a Chestburster.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2018, 08:47:37 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2018, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: Olde on Feb 03, 2018, 09:10:44 AMDid it wait by idly while Ripley went into cryo and not do anything?
That's another reason I believe that it was just a globular proto-egg and not yet ready to "hatch" when it was first deposited in the hangar bay.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 08, 2018, 01:19:23 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 08, 2018, 01:19:23 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 02, 2018, 02:59:11 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Feb 02, 2018, 02:56:17 PMBut we see Parker and Lambert and there's no time for them to turn into eggs.
I didn't say it was Brett, it could have been Parker or Lambert.
But I like the idea that the Sulaco egg was actually Brett, best outlandish theory yet!
Right. There is a good macabre to this. Brett... he's still with us..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 08, 2018, 01:25:33 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 08, 2018, 01:25:33 PM
It was probably a spare warrior they had onboard since that's what happens in basically every Alien 3 script except for the final ones.
Just hid somewhere with a couple eggs (or three? it implies one of the facehugger's died trying to get in, which allows Newt's tube to get filled with fluid) it managed to salvage tailing the Queen, because they plan ahead in case of natural disasters and earthquakes, and nuclear explosions, and greased them near the cryo deck before eventually dying off somewhere. Problem solved.
What I want to know is, what happened to the Sulaco since its just floating there with easily retrievable alien material on it. They were going to film an EEV hurling backwards into it and exploding, but neither cut has that. Is that canon? Or did it get sucked into Fury 161's gravity and crash land somewhere. Or was the fire really that bad, didn't even think of the fire.
So I guess, the only logical explanation for all of this that's shown is a leftover crabby alien lugged some eggs, hid, cried about how mom is gone, shrugged and said "it's a living", starved to death, or was surprised that a facehugger +cracked glass = acid. Crossed his heart, said "dios mio" and died in the resulting explosion. That's all I've got.
Just hid somewhere with a couple eggs (or three? it implies one of the facehugger's died trying to get in, which allows Newt's tube to get filled with fluid) it managed to salvage tailing the Queen, because they plan ahead in case of natural disasters and earthquakes, and nuclear explosions, and greased them near the cryo deck before eventually dying off somewhere. Problem solved.
What I want to know is, what happened to the Sulaco since its just floating there with easily retrievable alien material on it. They were going to film an EEV hurling backwards into it and exploding, but neither cut has that. Is that canon? Or did it get sucked into Fury 161's gravity and crash land somewhere. Or was the fire really that bad, didn't even think of the fire.
So I guess, the only logical explanation for all of this that's shown is a leftover crabby alien lugged some eggs, hid, cried about how mom is gone, shrugged and said "it's a living", starved to death, or was surprised that a facehugger +cracked glass = acid. Crossed his heart, said "dios mio" and died in the resulting explosion. That's all I've got.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 16, 2018, 11:44:33 AM
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 16, 2018, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Was thinking how Alien: Covenant fits into the egg on the Sulaco debate.
Alien: Covenant shows tiny eggs that are yet to grow big (David barfs some out). Maybe the Sulaco egg started really tiny and grew until mature enough?
Of course, it needed to be slapped into the upright position by someone/something.
You know what... I was thinking that too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 11:52:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Feb 16, 2018, 11:44:33 AMQuote from: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Was thinking how Alien: Covenant fits into the egg on the Sulaco debate.
Alien: Covenant shows tiny eggs that are yet to grow big (David barfs some out). Maybe the Sulaco egg started really tiny and grew until mature enough?
Of course, it needed to be slapped into the upright position by someone/something.
You know what... I was thinking that too.
Good idea. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1483278#msg1483278)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 16, 2018, 11:59:25 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 16, 2018, 11:59:25 AM
The xenos themselves seem to grow big from "thin air" so it's not a stretch for an egg to grow itself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 12:57:21 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 12:57:21 PM
See this?
Proof of concept.
Proof of concept.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 16, 2018, 01:02:41 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 16, 2018, 01:02:41 PM
Trying to fix a 25 year old screw up.
Bishop.
It's the only way to be sure.
Bishop.
It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:07:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:07:14 PM
Maybe Bishop swallowed the egg and it spilled out of him when the queen tore him in half.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 16, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 16, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 11:52:03 AMQuote from: muthur9000 on Feb 16, 2018, 11:44:33 AMQuote from: Wweyland on Feb 01, 2018, 01:16:34 PM
Was thinking how Alien: Covenant fits into the egg on the Sulaco debate.
Alien: Covenant shows tiny eggs that are yet to grow big (David barfs some out). Maybe the Sulaco egg started really tiny and grew until mature enough?
Of course, it needed to be slapped into the upright position by someone/something.
You know what... I was thinking that too.
Good idea. (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1483278#msg1483278)
Legmorphing... Don't like the name...
I did see an interesting fact once about cabbage reproducing asexually by cloning.
David's research suggests the Ovomorph could be not quite from the animal or plant kingdom, maybe an amalgamation or something from the fungal species.
It's just weak writing TBH, can't find a legit excuse for it unless it was Bishop and he had some sort of underlying protocol no one knew about...
That's what get me shook about Davis in Defiance, damn robots and their obsession with Xenomorphs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:10:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Feb 16, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Legmorphing... Don't like the name...
Did you read past that part?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 16, 2018, 01:13:34 PM
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 16, 2018, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:10:13 PMQuote from: muthur9000 on Feb 16, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Legmorphing... Don't like the name...
Did you read past that part?
Yes, I did. To think the egg could grow from some sort of microbial fibre from an underdeveloped egg root... thing. No, I just can't.
The Eggs in David's lab was breeding them to work up to the size they were in Covenant. Although you don't ever see it grow or mature.
It could all be changed later to fit whatever narrative they want.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: muthur9000 on Feb 16, 2018, 01:13:34 PMYes, I did. To think the egg could grow from some sort of microbial fibre from an underdeveloped egg root... thing. No, I just can't.
How about now? (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg2138569#msg2138569)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 16, 2018, 11:22:46 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 16, 2018, 11:22:46 PM
Nah makes more sense that the Queen brought the egg on board and tossed it into some dark corner of the ship. Which obviously was not shown and while the airlock was open it just blew around and upside down before getting stuck to the wall in a most awkward way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 17, 2018, 12:29:45 AM
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 17, 2018, 12:29:45 AM
I'd rather imagine it being Bishop than the Queen throwing goo or bouncy eggs around. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 01:04:24 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 01:04:24 AM
Well, she didn't necessarily have to throw so much as drop it out of her gaping abdominal wound where her egg sac used to be attached.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 17, 2018, 01:35:37 AM
Post by: Delta Echo Alpha Delta on Feb 17, 2018, 01:35:37 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 01:25:57 PMQuote from: muthur9000 on Feb 16, 2018, 01:13:34 PMYes, I did. To think the egg could grow from some sort of microbial fibre from an underdeveloped egg root... thing. No, I just can't.
How about now? (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg2138569#msg2138569)
Still a no. Really can't. I might go talk to a biologist or something to see if that sort of thing can happen in nature. It probably can with fungi.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 01:57:07 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 01:57:07 AM
Be sure to ask them about acidic blood too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 17, 2018, 02:10:50 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 17, 2018, 02:10:50 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 01:04:24 AMThat makes even more sense. It was just an egg that wasn't fully cooked. That fell out of her sometime during the power loader scene. Totally works. It would explain why it was smaller and upside down and why the runner was so fricking fugly. :P
Well, she didn't necessarily have to throw so much as drop it out of her gaping abdominal wound where her egg sac used to be attached.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 17, 2018, 11:54:24 AM
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 17, 2018, 11:54:24 AM
If the egg was in the place where the Queen was hiding on the dropship, that would be very believable. But it clearly isn't as it is shown in Alien3. And as previously stated here by someone else, I can't believe that Ripley wouldn't check the whole dropship again for more stowaways.
So... maybe Bishop then. ;)
So... maybe Bishop then. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 17, 2018, 12:47:57 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 17, 2018, 12:47:57 PM
Well of course Bishop did it but just for fun we're trying to find plausible excuses for why it couldn't be him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 17, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 17, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
Bishop doesnt work either, its been proven to be impossible probably a 100 times in this thread already.
If we take what we see in the beginning of alien3 as fact, then there is no plausible explanation for the egg and facehuggers on the sulaco unless the alien has abilities that we havent ever seen on screen. If the egg arose from some unknown ability then I like Local Troubles theory the best.
If we take what we see in the beginning of alien3 as fact, then there is no plausible explanation for the egg and facehuggers on the sulaco unless the alien has abilities that we havent ever seen on screen. If the egg arose from some unknown ability then I like Local Troubles theory the best.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
It's not even really a "new ability," just an extension of what we've already seen. The eggs obviously start out small and develop over time within the queen's ovipositor, right?
My theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
My theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 17, 2018, 05:46:36 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 17, 2018, 05:46:36 PM
The Asimov crap about Bishop's android rules is utter Bullshit.
The Alien Franchise has proven pretty much all Droids are nefarious and cunning. They lie.
And try and shove a magazine down your throat.
Bishop did it.
But maybe it was placed there by Newt. She was under the floor.
Perhaps. A bit of Royal jelly got on her overalls and smeared itself on the floor grating...leading to eggmorphing and viola!
Alien3
The Alien Franchise has proven pretty much all Droids are nefarious and cunning. They lie.
And try and shove a magazine down your throat.
Bishop did it.
But maybe it was placed there by Newt. She was under the floor.
Perhaps. A bit of Royal jelly got on her overalls and smeared itself on the floor grating...leading to eggmorphing and viola!
Alien3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 17, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 17, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
Has nothing to do with with Bishops programing. Bishop is impaled and torn in half as he gets off the dropship on the sulaco. Before that there is just not enough time for bishop to collect an egg, fly it up to the sulaco, and then come back for Ripley and Newt. It just doesnt work.
If it was possible that bishop did it, i would not have an issue. Although i do believe JC fully intended Bishop to be good and trustworthy despite a lil misdirection early in the film.
If it was possible that bishop did it, i would not have an issue. Although i do believe JC fully intended Bishop to be good and trustworthy despite a lil misdirection early in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 17, 2018, 09:04:48 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 17, 2018, 09:04:48 PM
QuoteMy theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
How did it not get sucked out into space?
I'm sure you probably addressed several dozen pages back but I forget.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 18, 2018, 01:16:21 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 18, 2018, 01:16:21 AM
Alright new Bishop dunn it theory. Now hear me, Bishop, sneaked into the alien mother sack and swiped some ebryo's from the queens ovipositor and swallowed them! DUN DUMMM! Of course they spilled out everywhere after the Queen tore Bishop in half. Therefor, it was Bishop.
btw the embryos enjoy walking up walls.
btw the embryos enjoy walking up walls.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 18, 2018, 01:38:42 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 18, 2018, 01:38:42 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 17, 2018, 09:04:48 PMQuoteMy theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
How did it not get sucked out into space?
I'm sure you probably addressed several dozen pages back but I forget.
I assume it was either securely "glued" into its place already or far enough under the floor to prevent it from being caught up in the airflow. In any case, the egg that we saw in Alien 3 somehow escaped getting sucked into space no matter how it got there.
Did Bishop's lower half get sucked out into space?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2018, 06:38:53 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2018, 06:38:53 AM
I'd assume it was considering the top half was nearly sucked out.
For another insane bishop dunn it theory.... what if there was 2 bishops?
For another insane bishop dunn it theory.... what if there was 2 bishops?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2018, 06:43:48 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2018, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 18, 2018, 01:38:42 AMQuote from: SM on Feb 17, 2018, 09:04:48 PMQuoteMy theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
How did it not get sucked out into space?
I'm sure you probably addressed several dozen pages back but I forget.
I assume it was either securely "glued" into its place already or far enough under the floor to prevent it from being caught up in the airflow. In any case, the egg that we saw in Alien 3 somehow escaped getting sucked into space no matter how it got there.
Did Bishop's lower half get sucked out into space?
Unknown. Considering his top half nearly did, it's likely. They were over the other side of the hangar bay with some obstacles between them and the airlock, though.
While your idea has merit, a tiny egg that dripped through a floor grate has a pretty good chance of getting sucked out through the same grate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2018, 08:41:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2018, 08:41:13 PM
The same could be said of a fully-grown egg sitting in the dropship's landing gear then, no?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2018, 09:26:50 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2018, 09:26:50 PM
Assuming it's there, it would be less likely to get sucked out since the landing gear well faces the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2018, 09:47:56 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2018, 09:47:56 PM
I don't claim to know the exact location of the egg either, but my theory relies on it being similarly protected from the suckage as well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 19, 2018, 09:55:28 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 19, 2018, 09:55:28 PM
Maybe it had a super-super glue similar type of residue?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 19, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2018, 09:47:56 PM
I don't claim to know the exact location of the egg either, but my theory relies on it being similarly protected from the suckage as well.
Relies on a lot of luck. Most of the floor in the hangar is solid decking rather than grate. I think it's still a viable theory though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 20, 2018, 12:58:31 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 20, 2018, 12:58:31 AM
Heheh. Suckage
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2018, 02:22:08 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2018, 02:22:08 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2018, 11:32:10 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2018, 09:47:56 PM
I don't claim to know the exact location of the egg either, but my theory relies on it being similarly protected from the suckage as well.
Relies on a lot of luck. Most of the floor in the hangar is solid decking rather than grate. I think it's still a viable theory though.
Luckily, Newt lured her into stomping right over the grated portion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Apr 27, 2018, 01:45:45 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Apr 27, 2018, 01:45:45 AM
Fuel to the fire, or scene explained?
Spoiler
;D
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2018, 01:50:23 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2018, 01:50:23 AM
Is that Turk?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 27, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 27, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
Was Turk a prisoner on Fiorina?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2018, 02:01:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 27, 2018, 02:01:49 AM
Quite.
That pic is the equivalent of Darth Vader filling a water bottle on a beach.
That pic is the equivalent of Darth Vader filling a water bottle on a beach.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Apr 27, 2018, 02:09:14 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Apr 27, 2018, 02:09:14 AM
That's exactly why I posted it :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheGreatSpoondini on Apr 27, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
Post by: TheGreatSpoondini on Apr 27, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 27, 2018, 01:56:38 AM
Was Turk a prisoner on Fiorina?
ahahah Has to be right? They did that man dirty....
#ripturk
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on May 31, 2018, 04:29:40 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on May 31, 2018, 04:29:40 PM
What hapepend to his head?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on May 31, 2018, 04:33:31 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on May 31, 2018, 04:33:31 PM
He got a metal rod through it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:21:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:21:49 AM
Looks more like it was bashed by a sledgehammer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2018, 02:29:02 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 01, 2018, 02:29:02 AM
A safety sledgehammer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:31:57 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:31:57 AM
The only part of Hicks that's alive now is the bacteria on that safety support.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:33:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:33:33 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:31:57 AM
The only part of Turk that's alive now is the bacteria on that safety support.
FIFY
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:35:24 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:35:24 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:33:33 AMQuote from: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:31:57 AM
The only part of Turk that's alive now is the bacteria on that safety support.
FIFY
Where is Hicks now I wonder? Fightn' the good fight against Wey-you?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:37:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:37:26 AM
That's a question for Gearbox to answer in ACM2.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:43:33 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:43:33 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:37:26 AM
That's a question for Gearbox to answer in ACM2.
Bet you can't wait for your favourite Alien type to return.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:46:37 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:46:37 AM
You're a horrible person.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 01, 2018, 03:16:45 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 01, 2018, 03:16:45 AM
Damn. Even I wouldn't sink so far as to post that abomination. :(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 03:56:06 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 03:56:06 AM
Is the price we pay everyday for Turk.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2018, 08:28:21 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2018, 08:28:21 AM
Turk took one for the team so that I could live.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 01, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 01, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
Are you even the real hicks?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 11:20:52 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 11:20:52 AM
Don't make him waste you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 01, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
Are you even the real hicks?
Gorman in disguise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jun 01, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 11:20:52 AM
Don't make him waste you.
No offense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 05, 2018, 12:52:42 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 05, 2018, 12:52:42 AM
*clears throat
Somebody wake up Hicks.
Somebody wake up Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jun 05, 2018, 03:39:03 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 05, 2018, 03:39:03 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 02:43:33 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 01, 2018, 02:37:26 AM
That's a question for Gearbox to answer in ACM2.
Bet you can't wait for your favourite Alien type to return.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/colonialmarines5.png
I think Bill Nighy could play the hell out of that thing. Just imagine the dialogue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2018, 03:40:27 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 05, 2018, 03:40:27 AM
Does it talk with its main mouth or does the inner jaw pop out and talk?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jun 05, 2018, 03:44:16 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 05, 2018, 03:44:16 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 01, 2018, 03:10:15 PM
Gorman in disguise.
As what, a Lieutenant? :D
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2018, 03:40:27 AM
Does it talk with its main mouth or does the inner jaw pop out and talk?
The main mouth would be Nighy, But the inner mouth would be Al Matthews. I thought about Lance Henrikson, but I would be too engrossed in the performance. Perhaps if he was on helium?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 06, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 06, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 05, 2018, 03:40:27 AM
Does it talk with its main mouth or does the inner jaw pop out and talk?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 06, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 06, 2018, 04:43:00 PM
I was thinking of the same thing :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 06, 2018, 04:51:23 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jun 06, 2018, 04:51:23 PM
Come on, back on topic people. We've only got another 90 pages to reach a consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 06, 2018, 07:33:52 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jun 06, 2018, 07:33:52 PM
Bishop did it while Hudson's antics distracted everybody else. Meaning Hudson and Bishop were a team.
Also keep this xeno talking stuff going and soon we'll have xeno's at the dinner table eating with a fork and knife while bitching about the food and preferring to be eating something else.
Also keep this xeno talking stuff going and soon we'll have xeno's at the dinner table eating with a fork and knife while bitching about the food and preferring to be eating something else.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 06, 2018, 10:41:23 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jun 06, 2018, 10:41:23 PM
Guess they don't like the corn bread either...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: lost dragon on Jul 02, 2018, 09:59:29 PM
Post by: lost dragon on Jul 02, 2018, 09:59:29 PM
I started reading this thread from the very 1st post and i had never prior thought Bishop put the egg on board, acting on company orders and still can't go with that personally...
Got around 10 pages in..my head was starting to hurt :-))
Was a plausible reason reached at any point in this lengthy discussion?
Or is the jury still very much out?
:-))
Got around 10 pages in..my head was starting to hurt :-))
Was a plausible reason reached at any point in this lengthy discussion?
Or is the jury still very much out?
:-))
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 02, 2018, 10:03:15 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 02, 2018, 10:03:15 PM
I think its between royal jelly or the stuck egg theory and Bishop did it with Wierzbowski's help on the other. Cause we all know he ain't dead.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 02, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 02, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: lost dragon on Jul 02, 2018, 09:59:29 PM
I started reading this thread from the very 1st post and i had never prior thought Bishop put the egg on board, acting on company orders and still can't go with that personally...
Got around 10 pages in..my head was starting to hurt :-))
Was a plausible reason reached at any point in this lengthy discussion?
Or is the jury still very much out?
:-))
In universe, there has never been a logical explination. Colonial Marines "tried" to give one, but screwed up the important details hard core.
I've always gone with, the queen had an egg inside her abdomen that came out and was glued to the interior of the landing leg by her highness.
Nothing in the shots from Alien 3 matches with the Dropship, but whatever. It's just a mess up. It's something that most of the scripts that went this route screwed up.
The Gibson draft gave the aliens a new way of reproducing. The queen left behind genetic material on Bishop which fused with bits of his bio-mechanical entrails to form a new egg.
All the other drafts are like "...And there were aliens... Somehow."
Hell, the draft that the final film is basically based on ,the Vincent Ward draft, basically says there was an adult alien on board the Sulaco! Yeah, i'm sure it would have just hung out and let Ripley murder the queen...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 03, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 03, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: lost dragon on Jul 02, 2018, 09:59:29 PM
Was a plausible reason reached at any point in this lengthy discussion?
Or is the jury still very much out?
Naw, there's still another 90 pages of in-depth discussion to go.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kailem on Jul 03, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
Post by: Kailem on Jul 03, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
It was Bishop in the Study with the Candlestick.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 03, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 03, 2018, 06:44:06 PM
Bishop landed the drop ship.
Picked one up.
Flew back UP to get Ripley
And the rest is history
Picked one up.
Flew back UP to get Ripley
And the rest is history
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 03, 2018, 07:42:40 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 03, 2018, 07:42:40 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 03, 2018, 06:44:06 PMDon't forget about Wierzbowski being in the drop ships trunk. He'd be one of the only two marines who'd have glued that egg upside down on a wall of all places and we know for a fact that Gorman is dead.
Bishop landed the drop ship.
Picked one up.
Flew back UP to get Ripley
And the rest is history
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2018, 08:08:17 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 03, 2018, 08:08:17 PM
Nah, Hudson.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 03, 2018, 08:26:55 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 03, 2018, 08:26:55 PM
Spunkmeyer was in on it too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 03, 2018, 08:43:45 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 03, 2018, 08:43:45 PM
Ha! I knew it. I bet those shifty hamsters were in on the plot too.
Good to see that were finally getting somewhere with regards to who put the egg on the Sulaco.
Good to see that were finally getting somewhere with regards to who put the egg on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 03, 2018, 08:46:10 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 03, 2018, 08:46:10 PM
The egg was Spunkmeyer. The hamsters just rolled it onto the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 03, 2018, 11:28:04 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 03, 2018, 11:28:04 PM
138 pages? Bejabbers...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 04, 2018, 12:30:20 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 04, 2018, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 03, 2018, 08:46:10 PMIt's a god damn conspiracy at this rate. I bet everyone was in on the plan except for Gorman, Burk and Ripley.
The egg was Spunkmeyer. The hamsters just rolled it onto the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 04, 2018, 12:47:32 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 04, 2018, 12:47:32 AM
Where the f&@k was Jonesy?
That little cat cooked up the whole plan and dropped them all into the meat grinder!!!!
That little cat cooked up the whole plan and dropped them all into the meat grinder!!!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 04, 2018, 01:47:44 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 04, 2018, 01:47:44 AM
Yea, where was Jonesy...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2018, 02:47:07 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2018, 02:47:07 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 03, 2018, 08:43:45 PM
Ha! I knew it. I bet those shifty hamsters were in on the plot too.
Good to see that were finally getting somewhere with regards to who put the egg on the Sulaco.
So who put it on SM's pizza?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 04, 2018, 03:08:57 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 04, 2018, 03:08:57 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 04, 2018, 04:14:01 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 04, 2018, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2018, 02:47:07 AM
So who put it on SM's pizza?
I'm still looking into it, but just between ourselves, I suspect it was Xenomrph. Would explain a lot. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 04, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 04, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
Have we gotten around to the theory that someone had an evil twin? An evil hidden twin?! Ever since the marines landed, Mr Twin was getting the egg on his private dropship.
Maybe it was Drake? Having the acid burn his life monitors everyone thought he was dead. But alas, he lived! Feeling betrayed that nobody came back for him, he went about securing revenge.... He was the closest to the hive...
Maybe it was Drake? Having the acid burn his life monitors everyone thought he was dead. But alas, he lived! Feeling betrayed that nobody came back for him, he went about securing revenge.... He was the closest to the hive...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 04:43:49 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 04, 2018, 04:14:01 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2018, 02:47:07 AM
So who put it on SM's pizza?
I'm still looking into it, but just between ourselves, I suspect it was Xenomrph. Would explain a lot. ;)
Word has it Scorpio was about to spill the beans. We should prepare ourselves for the fact that we may never discover how deep this actually goes.
But my working theory is that SM put it there himself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 04, 2018, 06:02:11 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 04, 2018, 06:02:11 PM
Possibly...possibly, he had both motive and opportunity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2018, 06:40:29 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2018, 06:40:29 PM
What kind of animal would do that to a pizza?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 07:05:27 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 07:05:27 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 04, 2018, 06:40:29 PM
What kind of animal would do that to a pizza?
I've heard tales of a particularly vicious species found in some abandoned mine way out in...oh, I can't remember where. But I remember they were supposed to be very insect-like. Kidnapped people and took them back to some kind of nest, Lord only knows why.
A creature like that would put anything on a pizza, I imagine.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:15:59 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:15:59 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 04, 2018, 04:14:01 PM
I'm still looking into it, but just between ourselves, I suspect it was Xenomrph. Would explain a lot. ;)
I think it was RidgeTop.
He's the only one in that trinity that doesn't have a strange foreign accent... The perfect spy to put eggs on pizza.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 04, 2018, 07:05:27 PM
I've heard tales of a particularly vicious species found in some abandoned mine way out in...oh, I can't remember where. But I remember they were supposed to be very insect-like. Kidnapped people and took them back to some kind of nest, Lord only knows why.
A creature like that would put anything on a pizza, I imagine.
I've never heard Australians referred to as "insect-like" Huggs. I mean, they seem to like insects, but not be insect-like.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
You all know this stopped being funny about 5 minutes after it started right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:19:29 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:19:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
You all know this stopped being funny about 5 minutes after it started right?
Just another 100 pages, and we're good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 06, 2018, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 06, 2018, 01:23:00 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
You all know this stopped being funny about 5 minutes after it started right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 06, 2018, 01:31:25 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 06, 2018, 01:31:25 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
You all know this stopped being funny about 5 minutes after it started right?
We're waiting for God to return, and take all the eggs off the pizza's.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 01:55:50 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 01:55:50 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 01:19:29 AMQuote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
You all know this stopped being funny about 5 minutes after it started right?
Just another 100 pages, and we're good.
How's the work print coming along?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 02:22:39 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 02:22:39 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 01:55:50 AM
How's the work print coming along?
I'll probably have it ready to rock and roll in August. I've been dividing my down time between it and Oasis. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 06, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 06, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
I blame the skull Alien for the egg.
He handed it to Hudafuk and White Rabbit. Who then places it onto David8's/Bishop's dropship.
They then sing kumbaya....drink some whiskey and go looking for Hudson.
It's all right there. So simple.
Like a tootsie roll.
He handed it to Hudafuk and White Rabbit. Who then places it onto David8's/Bishop's dropship.
They then sing kumbaya....drink some whiskey and go looking for Hudson.
It's all right there. So simple.
Like a tootsie roll.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 06, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 06, 2018, 02:12:07 PM
This thread really went places... I wouldn't be surprised if David Fincher himself came on here and solved the mystery once and for all with a:
"It was all a dream!"
"It was all a dream!"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 06, 2018, 02:38:49 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 06, 2018, 02:38:49 PM
It's all a cryo-tube dream is right.
The most correct answer.
The most correct answer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 04:04:41 PM
A dream canonically.
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
But factually just an editing mistake.
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
But factually just an editing mistake.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:35:38 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:35:38 PM
I didn't see anything accidental.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:43:00 PM
It's a insert shot that was mandated by the studio, that created a plothole unnecessarily. That's a editing mistake.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:49:04 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:49:04 PM
So they did mean to do it then.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:53:54 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:53:54 PM
Never said they didn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
So if there's a mistake, it's the writing and not the editing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 06, 2018, 09:59:00 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 06, 2018, 09:59:00 PM
I think its less of a mistake and more about not caring about total continuity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:59:51 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
So if there's a mistake, it's the writing and not the editing.
No.
Because like I said, it was an insert shot that wasn't in the shooting script.
It's an editing mistake due to studio interference.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 10:02:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 10:02:13 PM
Don't worry. OpenMaw gon' fix it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 10:05:00 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 10:05:00 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 10:21:11 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:59:51 PMQuote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
So if there's a mistake, it's the writing and not the editing.
No.
Because like I said, it was an insert shot that wasn't in the shooting script.
It's an editing mistake due to studio interference.
So an attempt to clarify a problem with the script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 10:28:02 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 10:28:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 10:21:11 PMQuote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 09:59:51 PMQuote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 09:54:59 PM
So if there's a mistake, it's the writing and not the editing.
No.
Because like I said, it was an insert shot that wasn't in the shooting script.
It's an editing mistake due to studio interference.
So an attempt to clarify a problem with the script.
There wasn't a problem with the script in that regard though, because we're left to assume that two Facehuggers sneaked onboard with the Queen.
That's not a problem.
Magic egg is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 10:41:22 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 10:41:22 PM
Two facehuggers sneaking aboard sounds dumber than an egg.
None of the scripts adequately explained any Aliens being on the Sulaco. The film made a flawed attempt. But not much more flawed than the other myriad flaws with Alien 3.
None of the scripts adequately explained any Aliens being on the Sulaco. The film made a flawed attempt. But not much more flawed than the other myriad flaws with Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 06, 2018, 10:47:12 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 06, 2018, 10:47:12 PM
Old One does have a point, while it is conceivable that the Queen laid/snuck an egg on board, its placement causes problems, not to mention that Newt or Bishop didn't seemed to notice the queen doing anything like that.
Facehuggers probably would have made more sense, they are known to be sneaky, opportunistic and cunning, hiding up into ceiling structures and so on, I can imagine the Queen carrying them in some way. Not to mention there is apparently scuttling sounds after the end credits, which is likely just for fun in the intention of it adding those but it would have helped towards a facehugger explanation.
Facehuggers probably would have made more sense, they are known to be sneaky, opportunistic and cunning, hiding up into ceiling structures and so on, I can imagine the Queen carrying them in some way. Not to mention there is apparently scuttling sounds after the end credits, which is likely just for fun in the intention of it adding those but it would have helped towards a facehugger explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 10:49:17 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 10:49:17 PM
Quote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 10:41:22 PM
Two facehuggers sneaking aboard sounds dumber than an egg.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree, a couple of small mobile parasites sneaking aboard a large spaceship sounds far more plausible to me than an imobile egg that's never discovered, that has its' only logical position inside the dropship- is far and away more unbelievable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 06, 2018, 10:56:01 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 06, 2018, 10:56:01 PM
The only two ways I can see huggers getting on board is either when Bishop was using the console (the dropship was behind him and lets not forget an Alien had previously snuck on board a dropship) or the Queen was carrying them somehow.
They are not the best explanations but the Queen laying an egg leaves the big black hole of why is it where it is and why no one saw it.
They are not the best explanations but the Queen laying an egg leaves the big black hole of why is it where it is and why no one saw it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
The easiest way I can see it is that the Facehuggers as we know work on instinct, the Queen waited until the crew exited the dropship but the Facehuggers may have crawled into one of the many vents searching for other personnel to infect as soon as the dropships' landing gear opened.
They ended up miles away.
By the time they came back everyone was in hypersleep and then bam, Alien 3 opening minus the egg.
Any variation on that is far more plausible to me than the "black hole" egg as you correctly put it.
They ended up miles away.
By the time they came back everyone was in hypersleep and then bam, Alien 3 opening minus the egg.
Any variation on that is far more plausible to me than the "black hole" egg as you correctly put it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 11:22:21 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 11:22:21 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 10:49:17 PMQuote from: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 10:41:22 PM
Two facehuggers sneaking aboard sounds dumber than an egg.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree, a couple of small mobile parasites sneaking aboard a large spaceship sounds far more plausible to me than an imobile egg that's never discovered, that has its' only logical position inside the dropship- is far and away more unbelievable.
Two facehuggers at the end of Aliens; three hosts - yet none got hugged. Maybe not dumber; but as dumb.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:26:29 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:26:29 PM
You're right, they were smart enough to exploit the technology around them instead and kill two birds with one stone, killed two and infected one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 11:29:18 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 11:29:18 PM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:35:17 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:35:17 PM
Or y'know, like I said- they ended up farther away on the Sulaco looking for other hosts.
Y'know, the believable thing.
Y'know, the believable thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 11:36:45 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 06, 2018, 11:36:45 PM
Running away from viable hosts to search for non-existant ones doesn't sound remotely believable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 11:43:31 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 11:43:31 PM
This thread is to SM as the Pit of Carkoon is to the sarlacc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 11:44:02 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 06, 2018, 11:44:02 PM
It would be wildly inconsistent with their behavior up to that point. Facehugers are shown to be vehemently aggressive when it comes to pursuing their hosts once found.
If they had been there, most likely the moment Bishop got hit with the tail, and Ripley was grappling onto him ,the facehugger would've whipped round her shoulder and hugged her. All the characters were vulnerable in that instant.
Hell, Hicks was alone and unconscious on the dropship.
*sighs and opens Google*
If they had been there, most likely the moment Bishop got hit with the tail, and Ripley was grappling onto him ,the facehugger would've whipped round her shoulder and hugged her. All the characters were vulnerable in that instant.
Hell, Hicks was alone and unconscious on the dropship.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 06, 2018, 11:43:31 PM
This thread is to SM as the Pit of Carkoon is to the sarlacc.
*sighs and opens Google*
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
It does if the dropship hasn't opened its' doors and it seems to the Facehuggers that there's no one around.
Or if the Queen commanded them to.
Either of these are better than magic egg is the point.
Or if the Queen commanded them to.
Either of these are better than magic egg is the point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 12:37:16 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 12:37:16 AM
QuoteHell, Hicks was alone and unconscious on the dropship.
Quite.
The huggers in Medlab didn't sneak out and go attack Hicks and Burke next door in ops.
I'll take the magic egg any day.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 12:49:36 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 12:49:36 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
It does if the dropship hasn't opened its' doors and it seems to the Facehuggers that there's no one around.
Just continue ignoring this then because you're never wrong about anything SM. ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
The dropship rear stairwell was open. Of which I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:04:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:04:31 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 12:49:36 AMQuote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:45:18 PM
It does if the dropship hasn't opened its' doors and it seems to the Facehuggers that there's no one around.
Just continue ignoring this then because you're never wrong about anything SM. ::)
How does it feel to be slowly digested over a thousand years?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 01:07:47 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 01:07:47 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:04:31 AM
How does it feel to be slowly digested over a thousand years?
Dude, you made me spit my beverage.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 01:12:17 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 01:12:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
The dropship rear stairwell was open. Of which I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
I'm pretty sure the dropship landing gear opens long before the dropship is pressurised and the human beings/synthetics have the ability to exit the dropship onto the Sulaco. So again...
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
The Queen waited until the crew exited the dropship but the Facehuggers may have crawled into one of the many vents searching for other personnel to infect as soon as the dropships' landing gear opened.
They ended up miles away.
By the time they came back everyone was in hypersleep and then bam, Alien 3 opening minus the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:12:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:12:57 AM
Proto-eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:14:30 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:14:30 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 01:12:17 AMQuote from: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:01:11 AM
The dropship rear stairwell was open. Of which I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.
I'm pretty sure the dropship landing gear opens long before the dropship is pressurised and the human beings/synthetics have the ability to exit the dropship onto the Sulaco. So again...Quote from: The Old One on Jul 06, 2018, 11:03:49 PM
The Queen waited until the crew exited the dropship but the Facehuggers may have crawled into one of the many vents searching for other personnel to infect as soon as the dropships' landing gear opened.
They ended up miles away.
By the time they came back everyone was in hypersleep and then bam, Alien 3 opening minus the egg.
Why though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 01:15:31 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 01:15:31 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:12:57 AM
Proto-eggs.
On pizza?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:16:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:16:31 AM
They're suitably small and gooey.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:16:50 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 07, 2018, 01:16:50 AM
I'm out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 01:18:29 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 01:18:29 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:22:12 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2018, 01:22:12 AM
What just happened?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 01:26:15 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 01:26:15 AM
The magic egg, in both placement and probability is impossible.
But rogue Facehuggers that went elsewhere before they realised that there were viable hosts right next door is not.
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
It's my personal interpretation that the opening of A3 is the dream that Ripley later speaks of to Clemens.
But realistically, there wouldn't have been an egg- otherwise it would have been found.
But rogue Facehuggers that went elsewhere before they realised that there were viable hosts right next door is not.
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
It's my personal interpretation that the opening of A3 is the dream that Ripley later speaks of to Clemens.
But realistically, there wouldn't have been an egg- otherwise it would have been found.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 07, 2018, 01:41:47 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 07, 2018, 01:41:47 AM
Once they landed the queen was all like "b*tches go find you're own humans, I have score to settle"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 01:47:17 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 07, 2018, 01:41:47 AM
Once they landed the queen was all like "b*tches go find you're own humans, I have score to settle"
;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 07, 2018, 05:14:36 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 07, 2018, 05:14:36 AM
That egg did look funny and some what aborted... so it's not implausible that the Queen crapped it out and in the open airlock chaos it got stuck upside down on a wall. The ship knew about it but it was already programed by Bishop on Burke's order to ignore all alien threats.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 05:34:08 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 05:34:08 AM
The Egg placement and number of Facehuggers will probably never make sense.
I just keep it simple.
There were Facehuggers. People died. It's an Alien thing.
I just keep it simple.
There were Facehuggers. People died. It's an Alien thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 07, 2018, 05:34:54 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 07, 2018, 05:34:54 AM
Stop!!
Shat out aborted egg. Lol.
The theories are great reads though!
Shat out aborted egg. Lol.
The theories are great reads though!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 05:55:41 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 07, 2018, 05:55:41 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 06:11:46 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 07, 2018, 06:11:46 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 07, 2018, 06:40:25 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 07, 2018, 06:40:25 AM
Oh come on guys it's the most logical conclusion. That egg was cooking inside of the Queen when she had to tear away her ovipositor to escape the fire. In the battle Ripley bitch slapped her so hard it popped out and rolled into a corner. When the airlock opened it did a Bishop and grabbed onto anything it could and then secreted that good ole alien super glue and wala, upside down aborted egg.
Which also explains why the runner is such an ugly alien and why the alien 3 facehugger itself also looked aborted.
Which also explains why the runner is such an ugly alien and why the alien 3 facehugger itself also looked aborted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 07, 2018, 07:01:40 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 07, 2018, 07:01:40 AM
I love you guys.
I really do.
Lol
I really do.
Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 03:48:34 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 03:48:34 PM
The Runner is beautiful! Apart from the fugly neck.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 07, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 07, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 03:48:34 PMHow can you call it beautiful and not love the neck?
The Runner is beautiful! Apart from the fugly neck.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 07:16:53 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 07, 2018, 07:12:57 PMQuote from: The Old One on Jul 07, 2018, 03:48:34 PMHow can you call it beautiful and not love the neck?
The Runner is beautiful! Apart from the fugly neck.
Because most of the rest of the design and ADI's work is gorgeous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 09, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 09, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
F*ck me, another 10 pages of this stuff while I've been away :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2018, 03:43:31 PM
OK, let's break this down:
What we know vs what we *think* we know about Xenomorph reproduction.
Fact: Alien drone has been seen to turn human hosts into ovomorophs/eggs by unknown means on board the Nostromo.
Fact: The Queen was (we *assume*) bleeding acid just prior to tearing Bishop apart as evident by burning of the landing bay floor. (This can be assumed as until that point no xeno has ever drooled acid) The Queen was only physically wounded in one place at that time: her lower abdomen after tearing herself from her destroyed egg sack. All of Ripley's pulse rifle rounds, flamethrower and grenades targeted the eggs at the atmosphere processor. The one attempt she had to fire on the queen was at the elevator with very limited flamethrower fuel, acting as a minor deterrent and causing no physical damage, so it is safe to conclude acid on sulaco is dripping from eggsack region.
Fact: David 8 creates ovomorphs/eggs from experiments with black goo on organic matter (Shaw?). We know black goo in its pure form is highly adaptive and can cause mutations and growth in non-botanical life. A single spore can infect a human and cause a bloodburster/neomorph rapidly. And it has been seen from David's zoological studies that it is highly adaptive and capable of infecting a quite diverse variety of organic life, very much like a xenomorph is adaptive in hosts that can be used to reproduce (human, dog, ox, etc).
Theory: Black goo is in the genetic makeup of the xenomorph. Let's assume that in some evolved strain it is how the Alien on the nostromo eggmorphs Dallas and Brett (biological organism + xenogoo = egg, a biological capability that is similar to how David artificially created eggs)
Hypothesis: Queen is unintentionally leaking xenogoo from her damaged abdomen (region of egg production for eggsack) and blood just prior to tearing Bishop in half. We see the burn on floor from blood. Blood and xenogoo drip through the damaged floor plate to the sub-level (such as areas Newt was scuttling to escape Queen's attack).
Now later at a random unknown time, perhaps even once the crew are in hypersleep, something as simple as a rat on the ship is sniffing around the synthetic matter on the landing bay floor next to the many burns that would have been caused by the queen's mobility (it stands to reason ships still have rodents on account of Jones being the Nostromo ship's cat) unfortunately one comes into contact with xenogoo.. Whether by ingestion, skin contact, perhaps similar means of the spore to the ear as seen on paradise.. However it happens.. The rodent dies, and having very similar physiology to a human (the whole reason we use lab mice) an ovomorph forms through the grates, just like with Dallas and Brett. Slight differences in dna result in it being a superhugger, capable of laying multiple embryos during its short lifespan, infecting both Ripley and the dog or ox before it dies on Fiorina 161. The means by which the ovomorph on the Sulaco was created also accounts for differences in chestbuster physiology and is the reason that both the dog/ox buster and Queen inside Ripley hatch with limbs instead of being worm-like, in the same way David-8s first xenomorph is born with limbs.. This also accounts for why, like David's xeno, the dog/ox alien is more organic in appearance and less biomechanical.
What dya think? 😁
What we know vs what we *think* we know about Xenomorph reproduction.
Fact: Alien drone has been seen to turn human hosts into ovomorophs/eggs by unknown means on board the Nostromo.
Fact: The Queen was (we *assume*) bleeding acid just prior to tearing Bishop apart as evident by burning of the landing bay floor. (This can be assumed as until that point no xeno has ever drooled acid) The Queen was only physically wounded in one place at that time: her lower abdomen after tearing herself from her destroyed egg sack. All of Ripley's pulse rifle rounds, flamethrower and grenades targeted the eggs at the atmosphere processor. The one attempt she had to fire on the queen was at the elevator with very limited flamethrower fuel, acting as a minor deterrent and causing no physical damage, so it is safe to conclude acid on sulaco is dripping from eggsack region.
Fact: David 8 creates ovomorphs/eggs from experiments with black goo on organic matter (Shaw?). We know black goo in its pure form is highly adaptive and can cause mutations and growth in non-botanical life. A single spore can infect a human and cause a bloodburster/neomorph rapidly. And it has been seen from David's zoological studies that it is highly adaptive and capable of infecting a quite diverse variety of organic life, very much like a xenomorph is adaptive in hosts that can be used to reproduce (human, dog, ox, etc).
Theory: Black goo is in the genetic makeup of the xenomorph. Let's assume that in some evolved strain it is how the Alien on the nostromo eggmorphs Dallas and Brett (biological organism + xenogoo = egg, a biological capability that is similar to how David artificially created eggs)
Hypothesis: Queen is unintentionally leaking xenogoo from her damaged abdomen (region of egg production for eggsack) and blood just prior to tearing Bishop in half. We see the burn on floor from blood. Blood and xenogoo drip through the damaged floor plate to the sub-level (such as areas Newt was scuttling to escape Queen's attack).
Now later at a random unknown time, perhaps even once the crew are in hypersleep, something as simple as a rat on the ship is sniffing around the synthetic matter on the landing bay floor next to the many burns that would have been caused by the queen's mobility (it stands to reason ships still have rodents on account of Jones being the Nostromo ship's cat) unfortunately one comes into contact with xenogoo.. Whether by ingestion, skin contact, perhaps similar means of the spore to the ear as seen on paradise.. However it happens.. The rodent dies, and having very similar physiology to a human (the whole reason we use lab mice) an ovomorph forms through the grates, just like with Dallas and Brett. Slight differences in dna result in it being a superhugger, capable of laying multiple embryos during its short lifespan, infecting both Ripley and the dog or ox before it dies on Fiorina 161. The means by which the ovomorph on the Sulaco was created also accounts for differences in chestbuster physiology and is the reason that both the dog/ox buster and Queen inside Ripley hatch with limbs instead of being worm-like, in the same way David-8s first xenomorph is born with limbs.. This also accounts for why, like David's xeno, the dog/ox alien is more organic in appearance and less biomechanical.
What dya think? 😁
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 09, 2018, 03:56:21 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 09, 2018, 03:56:21 PM
It was Bishop . Androids are evil.
So sorry, Artificial Person. Bad.
So sorry, Artificial Person. Bad.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2018, 03:59:59 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2018, 03:59:59 PM
The company remotely accessed the Sulaco and had an egg beamed aboard, the egg was upside down in the transporter room.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Jul 09, 2018, 05:02:27 PM
Post by: CainsSon on Jul 09, 2018, 05:02:27 PM
David did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 05:17:49 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 05:17:49 PM
Stahp!
See my posts for the correct interpretation, all other opinions are wrong.
See my posts for the correct interpretation, all other opinions are wrong.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: No Name on Jul 09, 2018, 05:29:29 PM
Post by: No Name on Jul 09, 2018, 05:29:29 PM
What about proto-eggs driven by some form of organic AI? Doesn't David mention the black goo is an AI of sorts? So...
. Queen stabs Bishop, depositing black-goo infused proto-eggs into his body.
. Air-lock opens. Most of said substance is blown out, but some of it continues to remain in Bishop and begins to settle.
. After the final battle concludes, Ripley transports Bishop's body to the cryo-pod.
Might such proto-eggs be able to detect a disturbance via the movement of their original spot for incubating, during Ripley's transportation of Bishop? If so, the eggs may have decided to locate another spot, one secluded away from further disturbances, and slipped out of Bishop's body with neither Ripley, nor Newt noticing. At this point, the eggs could plant themselves into the location we see in A3.
. Queen stabs Bishop, depositing black-goo infused proto-eggs into his body.
. Air-lock opens. Most of said substance is blown out, but some of it continues to remain in Bishop and begins to settle.
. After the final battle concludes, Ripley transports Bishop's body to the cryo-pod.
Might such proto-eggs be able to detect a disturbance via the movement of their original spot for incubating, during Ripley's transportation of Bishop? If so, the eggs may have decided to locate another spot, one secluded away from further disturbances, and slipped out of Bishop's body with neither Ripley, nor Newt noticing. At this point, the eggs could plant themselves into the location we see in A3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 05:42:05 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 05:42:05 PM
Nah. Editing mistake, has to be a dream in the two cuts we currently have.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 05:48:57 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2018, 03:59:59 PM
The company remotely accessed the Sulaco and had an egg beamed aboard, the egg was upside down in the transporter room.
Now i'm picturing the egg with Mel Brooks' voice "Why didn't somebody tell me my ass was so big?!"
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 05:17:49 PM
Stahp!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 09, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 09, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
There is only one way to solve this dilemma. They need to make an in between-quel. Whose sole purpose is how-da-fuk that egg got there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 10:03:10 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 10:03:10 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 09, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
There is only one way to solve this dilemma. They need to make an in between-quel. Whose sole purpose is how-da-fuk that egg got there.
Don't you mean Hu-da-fuk?
Or, y'know, let me make a best of both worlds 4K edit. (:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2018, 10:16:09 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2018, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 09, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
There is only one way to solve this dilemma. They need to make an in between-quel. Whose sole purpose is how-da-fuk that egg got there.
I agree! A story set on the Sulaco can account for both the egg placement and the reason Ripley, Hicks and Newt end up in a different cryoroom.. There is no continuity error... Just a story we have yet to see ;-)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 10:25:06 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 10:25:06 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Jul 09, 2018, 10:16:09 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Jul 09, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
There is only one way to solve this dilemma. They need to make an in between-quel. Whose sole purpose is how-da-fuk that egg got there.
I agree! A story set on the Sulaco can account for both the egg placement and the reason Ripley, Hicks and Newt end up in a different cryoroom.. There is no continuity error... Just a story we have yet to see ;-)
I hope you know he was being sarcastic, the only place we should see the Sulaco again is being decommissioned in a junkyard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2018, 10:31:33 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2018, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 10:25:06 PMQuote from: Its_Auto on Jul 09, 2018, 10:16:09 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Jul 09, 2018, 09:06:24 PM
There is only one way to solve this dilemma. They need to make an in between-quel. Whose sole purpose is how-da-fuk that egg got there.
I agree! A story set on the Sulaco can account for both the egg placement and the reason Ripley, Hicks and Newt end up in a different cryoroom.. There is no continuity error... Just a story we have yet to see ;-)
I hope you know he was being sarcastic, the only place we should see the Sulaco again is being decommissioned in a junkyard.
The story itself doesn't need to be set on the Sulaco... It just needs to end on its course being resumed ;-)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2018, 10:32:16 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2018, 10:32:16 PM
How about a documentary style film detailing the construction of the Sulaco and the lives of those who built her? :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 10:34:10 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2018, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2018, 10:32:16 PM
How about a documentary style film detailing the construction of the Sulaco and the lives of those who built her? :)
The amount of rivets they just glued on to the EEV because of budget cuts?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 09, 2018, 10:39:45 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 09, 2018, 10:39:45 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2018, 10:32:16 PM
How about a documentary style film detailing the construction of the Sulaco and the lives of those who built her? :)
You'd have to get Martin Sheen. Any other preferences for narrator?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 10:45:53 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 10:45:53 PM
I'd love to learn about those space-age safety supports they put in those EEVs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 10, 2018, 12:09:50 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 10, 2018, 12:09:50 AM
EEV is the worst designed vehicle ever.
The Resistance shuttle that Leia was on in TFA is a close second.
Jezus. At least put some thought into it.
Black goo. Royal Jelly. Caesar Salad.
Makes no difference.
Droids did it.
The Resistance shuttle that Leia was on in TFA is a close second.
Jezus. At least put some thought into it.
Black goo. Royal Jelly. Caesar Salad.
Makes no difference.
Droids did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 10, 2018, 12:14:34 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 10, 2018, 12:14:34 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 10:45:53 PM
I'd love to learn about those space-age safety supports they put in those EEVs.
Cue Ominous music.
Cue Martin Sheen.
He reads slowly, as in the Titanic special.
"Fiorina 161. After nearly 100 years, there are people inside her halls once again...."
(A small archeological drone broadcasts a video signal from within the prison)
....."But not all things have weathered their time here so poorly. These junk piles tell a story of their own. What appears to be a mangled safety support from an EEV, lies near the top of one such pile. Coated in some sort of resin, or perhaps human blood. Where did it come from? And what light could it shed on the events that took place here?"
"A storage room, used for the safe keeping of hazardous materials. The door still stands open. Large gashes similar to claw marks adorn the walls, but what equipment could damage such thick steel? Scorch marks cover the ceiling and hallways outside the room. Signs of a large fire. This small box contained a lever used to activate the sprinkler system. The glass has been broken, and the lever still rests in its activated position. Frozen in time".
"Fiorina 161 and the disappearance of those who once served as her caretakers has long baffled scholars and conspiracy theorists across the system. Join us now as we delve deep into the silent halls of this once thriving industrial facility. And attempt to uncover what went wrong.....and why".
Cue the old school national geographic music. And VHS picture quality.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 10, 2018, 04:44:01 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Jul 10, 2018, 04:44:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 09, 2018, 10:45:53 PMYou know, perhaps during the crash the facehugger smacked right into the safety support beam and while it survived some of that good ole alien acid got on the beam and melted it. Thus causing it to fall and impale good ole Corporal Hicks right smack in the face. or was that Turk?
I'd love to learn about those space-age safety supports they put in those EEVs.
Then again the best solution is that the Sulaco night crew got drunk and they are the ones that started the fire and brought the aliens on board.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 10, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 10, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
We'll never forget our fallen Turk.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 03, 2018, 03:56:11 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 03, 2018, 03:56:11 AM
One of my personal theories is that it was a last resort egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Aug 03, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
Post by: irn on Aug 03, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
Perhaps it grew from secretion form the egg sac.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 03, 2018, 06:42:58 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 03, 2018, 06:42:58 PM
Perhaps read the last couple pages before continuing the discussion!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Aug 03, 2018, 07:43:15 PM
Post by: irn on Aug 03, 2018, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 03, 2018, 06:42:58 PM
Perhaps read the last couple pages before continuing the discussion!
That's what they want us to do!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 03, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
No god damn royal jelly
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 03, 2018, 09:35:01 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 03, 2018, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: Guts on Aug 03, 2018, 03:56:11 AM
One of my personal theories is that it was a last resort egg.
Mystery solved! :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 03, 2018, 10:10:38 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 03, 2018, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 03, 2018, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: Guts on Aug 03, 2018, 03:56:11 AM
One of my personal theories is that it was a last resort egg.
Mystery solved! :D
All this time. So many pages. How could we never have thought of this?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 04, 2018, 04:57:22 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 04, 2018, 04:57:22 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 03, 2018, 10:10:38 PMSo kind of like a smart bomb? Actually this would make sense. When Ripley used the power loader to grab the queen by the neck she surely could have farted out an egg from it's safe keeping spot. Of which it would be logical to conclude that the egg may have bounced around a bit before grabbing on to the support beam.Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 03, 2018, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: Guts on Aug 03, 2018, 03:56:11 AM
One of my personal theories is that it was a last resort egg.
Mystery solved! :D
All this time. So many pages. How could we never have thought of this?
Although it'd be funnier as hell if the egg was laying on it's side when the airlock was opened and as it started to get sucked out it's tendrils reached out and grabbed onto the support. Slowly pulling itself close enough to give in a little hug. Just like Newt did to Bishop. Oh so Kawaii!
Nah make it's lips grab onto the support beam before attaching it's bottom upside down with that good ole alien jelly.
Also I'm not against giving the egg some teeth.... maybe even have the facehugger grab the beam and have it's tail holding onto it's house to save it from being sucked out the airlock.
Alright I'm done.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 04, 2018, 06:12:46 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 04, 2018, 06:12:46 AM
I hate you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 04, 2018, 06:35:01 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 04, 2018, 06:35:01 AM
The hate was earned at "safe keeping spot" wasn't it? After that it was all free flow down hill Anakin Skywalker into Dart Vader wasn't it. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 04, 2018, 11:24:08 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 04, 2018, 11:24:08 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
You secure that shit Vermillion.
Alright people, for real, assholes and elbows, how did that egg get on the Sulaco?
Levitation? Scientology? WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS? Was this script written by David Lindelof?
Alright people, for real, assholes and elbows, how did that egg get on the Sulaco?
Levitation? Scientology? WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS? Was this script written by David Lindelof?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 05, 2018, 12:37:42 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 05, 2018, 12:37:42 AM
I already solved it. (:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 12:47:02 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 12:47:02 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
Alright people, for real, assholes and elbows, how did that egg get on the Sulaco?
Spock says, "An ancestor of mine maintained that if you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the solution."
Therefor Spock concludes, Bishop done it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:48:43 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:48:43 AM
Maybe it was Spock who done it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 05, 2018, 12:55:36 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 05, 2018, 12:55:36 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
You secure that shit Vermillion.
Alright people, for real, assholes and elbows, how did that egg get on the Sulaco?
Levitation? Scientology? WHAT ARE THE ANSWERS? Was this script written by David Lindelof?
I don't have much time. The rescue mission was just a diversion! The Marines, The lost Signal, All of it! It was never about the colony. Even Burke didn't know. Ripley and the Marines were just a God***mned distraction. The company got what they wanted anyway. We were so wrong. Oh God, I'm losing signal. There was more than one, and it was with them all the way! Priority 1 was to ensure......(static)....managed to lure....(static)....but Ripley elmin.....(static)....till survived....(static).....viable specimens.....(static).....crew eliminated..........(signal lost).......
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 12:56:43 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 12:56:43 AM
Well I'm sure he did it to save some humpback whales. It wouldn't surprise me if the whales are the true gods.
The Enterprise finding David's aliens would make a damn good movie. Watching Spock contemplate the creature that would make such an evil who then made an even more evil creature that made an evil AI that then made an evil biomechanical terror. Then find out it was all Kirk's fault for f**king aliens without thinking twice. The black goo is captain kirk's contribution to space herpes.
The Enterprise finding David's aliens would make a damn good movie. Watching Spock contemplate the creature that would make such an evil who then made an even more evil creature that made an evil AI that then made an evil biomechanical terror. Then find out it was all Kirk's fault for f**king aliens without thinking twice. The black goo is captain kirk's contribution to space herpes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 05, 2018, 01:02:04 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 05, 2018, 01:02:04 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:48:43 AM
Maybe it was Spock who done it.
https://youtu.be/dD2UE0tJ66Y?t=24m
If it doesn't start at 24 mins it's due to mobile posting.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 05, 2018, 01:02:04 AMQuote from: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 12:48:43 AM
Maybe it was Spock who done it.
https://youtu.be/dD2UE0tJ66Y#t=24.00
If it doesn't start at 24 mins it's due to mobile posting.
https://youtu.be/D4csBsYFy-g?t=2s
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PredBabe on Aug 05, 2018, 08:32:32 PM
Post by: PredBabe on Aug 05, 2018, 08:32:32 PM
These last six or so pages have me laughing.
Right, gonna go back to being like Brett and mentally agreeing with random posts in this thread.
Right, gonna go back to being like Brett and mentally agreeing with random posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 08:57:57 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 08:57:57 PM
Wanna get some beers?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 09:26:25 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 09:26:25 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 08:57:57 PM
Wanna get some beers?
Right.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 06, 2018, 12:44:00 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 06, 2018, 12:44:00 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 05, 2018, 09:26:25 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Aug 05, 2018, 08:57:57 PM
Wanna get some beers?
Right.
The heck with that, we wanna go over the bonus situation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PredBabe on Aug 06, 2018, 12:52:23 AM
Post by: PredBabe on Aug 06, 2018, 12:52:23 AM
Right. The bonus egg situation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 01:57:13 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 01:57:13 AM
wow this escalated quickly. Can I at least finish my coffee first. It's only the second best thing on this ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2018, 11:22:29 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2018, 11:22:29 AM
DAVID DID IT.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2018, 11:22:29 AMWITH WHO?!
DAVID DID IT.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2018, 11:43:20 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2018, 11:43:20 AM
His Alien, obviously.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 11:48:07 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 11:48:07 AM
Ah so that's where that aborted monstrosity of an egg came from. Who knew the answer would be so simple. Guess we can put Bishop back together now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 06, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 06, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 01:57:13 AM
It's only the second best thing on this ship.
What's the first?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 06, 2018, 11:48:07 AM
Ah so that's where that aborted monstrosity of an egg came from. Who knew the answer would be so simple. Guess we can put Bishop back together now.
Perfectly safe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Aug 06, 2018, 05:32:20 PM
Post by: irn on Aug 06, 2018, 05:32:20 PM
What if... Ripley was the queen alien all along?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2018, 06:44:09 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 06, 2018, 06:44:09 PM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: irn on Aug 06, 2018, 05:32:20 PMWhat a twist!
What if... Ripley was the queen alien all along?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 07, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 07, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2018, 09:42:39 PMNope. Nada. No way Jose. You really want us to believe that an alien egg came out of that?Quote from: irn on Aug 06, 2018, 05:32:20 PMWhat a twist!
What if... Ripley was the queen alien all along?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2018, 02:01:08 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 07, 2018, 02:01:08 AM
That's one flat arse.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 07, 2018, 02:24:19 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 07, 2018, 02:24:19 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 07, 2018, 12:50:05 AMQuote from: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2018, 09:42:39 PMNope. Nada. No way Jose. You really want us to believe that an alien egg came out of that?Quote from: irn on Aug 06, 2018, 05:32:20 PMWhat a twist!
What if... Ripley was the queen alien all along?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6TRIfmUkqeg/TlV2ZiSZsMI/AAAAAAAAAEM/PR861VUx5WU/s1600/alienpanties.jpg
Oh i'm sure a few rotten e- eh... eh, eh, y'know what I think i'm going to abort the joke. I mean, it works, but i'm above that one. Too easy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 07, 2018, 02:38:50 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 07, 2018, 02:38:50 AM
Close your Maw. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 07, 2018, 02:54:34 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 07, 2018, 02:54:34 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 07, 2018, 02:24:19 AMKinda like an aborted alien egg eh. We've come full circle peeps.Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 07, 2018, 12:50:05 AMQuote from: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2018, 09:42:39 PMNope. Nada. No way Jose. You really want us to believe that an alien egg came out of that?Quote from: irn on Aug 06, 2018, 05:32:20 PMWhat a twist!
What if... Ripley was the queen alien all along?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6TRIfmUkqeg/TlV2ZiSZsMI/AAAAAAAAAEM/PR861VUx5WU/s1600/alienpanties.jpg
Oh i'm sure a few rotten e- eh... eh, eh, y'know what I think i'm going to abort the joke. I mean, it works, but i'm above that one. Too easy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 07, 2018, 03:04:35 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 07, 2018, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 07, 2018, 12:50:05 AMQuote from: Vermillion on Aug 06, 2018, 09:42:39 PMNope. Nada. No way Jose. You really want us to believe that an alien egg came out of that?Quote from: irn on Aug 06, 2018, 05:32:20 PMWhat a twist!
What if... Ripley was the queen alien all along?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6TRIfmUkqeg/TlV2ZiSZsMI/AAAAAAAAAEM/PR861VUx5WU/s1600/alienpanties.jpg
Would you rather Brett or Parker was the last survivor? Getting eyefuls of Dean and his Harry Stantons or Yaphet and both his Kottos?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2018, 07:22:24 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2018, 07:22:24 AM
Yaphet could definitely pull that outfit off.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 09, 2018, 05:13:36 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 09, 2018, 05:13:36 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2018, 07:22:24 AM
Yaphet could definitely pull that outfit off.
His strength was never in question ;)
Perhaps somewhere in a deleted scene, only he survived and made it to the narcissus. He stands there laughing hysterically and bends over to pet the cat, as two alien fingers slowly reach out and pinch his elastic undies, pulling them backwards. The release of which culminates in a swift slap to the buttocks, as he darts back up into frame, screaming hysterically.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 09, 2018, 05:19:47 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 09, 2018, 05:19:47 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 09, 2018, 05:13:36 AMWell all this back and forth has answered one profound question. What full body man pillow Huggs like to hug at night. :PQuote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 07, 2018, 07:22:24 AM
Yaphet could definitely pull that outfit off.
His strength was never in question ;)
Perhaps somewhere in a deleted scene, only he survived and made it to the narcissus. He stands there laughing hysterically and bends over to pet the cat, as two alien fingers slowly reach out and pinch his elastic undies, pulling them backwards. The release of which culminates in a swift slap to the buttocks, as he darts back up into frame, screaming hysterically.
Still maybe they should have made Parker wear a tong... a red one at that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 09, 2018, 05:26:02 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 09, 2018, 05:26:02 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 09, 2018, 05:19:47 AM
Well all this back and forth has answered one profound question. What full body man pillow Huggs like to hug at night. :P
None actually. But I do like to wrestle with the one that looks like Amber Heard ;)
And you can't tell me that ending wouldn't be funny. Unless the Alien turned out to be Harvey Korman, and Dom DeLuise was some kind of missing cook or stowaway. In which case it would be hilarious. Now I wish Mel Brooks had done an Alien movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 09, 2018, 07:55:22 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 09, 2018, 07:55:22 AM
The black man surviving till the end would have been more ground breaking than Ripley doing it. Parker singing "you are my lucky star" might be taking it too far though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2018, 08:07:02 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2018, 08:07:02 AM
Remember that thread a while back asking people which other character they'd save if they could? Parker won that by a landslide, mostly because everyone was so desperate to see him in the inquest scene :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 09, 2018, 03:38:42 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 09, 2018, 03:38:42 PM
"I told 'em they should just freeze him! But we haven't - Can we just talk about the bonus situation? Let's go over the bonus situation!"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2018, 04:03:27 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2018, 04:03:27 PM
I'm pretty sure it would've been more along the lines of Parker laying that "It's a rock" bitch out cold.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 09, 2018, 04:37:58 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 09, 2018, 04:37:58 PM
Probably would have told Mr. Insurance Investigator where to shove his forty-two million in adjusted dollars (minus payload) as well. :laugh:
But I'm still sure the Bonus Situation would have been brought up sooner or later. Priority one for Parker. All other priority's rescinded.
But I'm still sure the Bonus Situation would have been brought up sooner or later. Priority one for Parker. All other priority's rescinded.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 09, 2018, 05:03:59 PM
;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 09, 2018, 11:20:20 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 09, 2018, 11:20:20 PM
Ironically I'm certain the insurance adjusters will be questioning senior management as to why he (Parker) wasn't put in charge in the first place. Full shares peeps.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 10, 2018, 04:54:12 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 10, 2018, 04:54:12 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 04, 2015, 08:53:13 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2015, 03:44:19 AMParker. Let the big black dude survive for a change.
Imagine the inquest scene. :D
Was literally about to say that.
Can imagine him battering the hell out of Mrs. "It's a rock, no indigenous life."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 10, 2018, 05:04:29 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 10, 2018, 05:04:29 AM
Parker at the inquest would be the stuff of legend. I'd put it right up there with "the speech" from Patton and Jack Nicholson's testimony in A Few Good Men.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 10, 2018, 05:42:13 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 10, 2018, 05:42:13 AM
Parker survives, Ripley get's sidelined in the sequel. Parker goes with the marines to LV-426, fights off the dog Alien, is cloned, becomes Parker 8, single-handedly saves Earth from an all out Alien invasion. Goes on to destroy David once and for all.
Still doesn't get his bonus.
Still doesn't get his bonus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 10, 2018, 05:50:30 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 10, 2018, 05:50:30 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 10, 2018, 05:42:13 AM
Parker survives, Ripley get's sidelined in the sequel. Parker goes with the marines to LV-426, fights off the dog Alien, is cloned, becomes Parker 8, single-handedly saves Earth from an all out Alien invasion. Goes on to destroy David once and for all.
Still doesn't get his bonus.
After credits fight between Parker with his meat hook, and Dillon with his axe. Winner has to face regular Ripley in the sequel, and be the bad guy. Loser has to impregnate ash, thus creating the biomechanical alien, and setting up a remake of the first movie, with David taking Ash's place.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 10, 2018, 11:54:45 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 10, 2018, 11:54:45 AM
haha Parker with an m41a pulse rifle screaming "it's time we discuss the bonus situation". The Aliens then agree to give him a full share and all's right with the world.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 11, 2018, 09:41:10 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Aug 11, 2018, 09:41:10 AM
Deadliest creatures in the universe.
But incredibly reasonable business partners.
I imagine Aliens have the voice of the Brain Gremlin when conducting business deals.
But incredibly reasonable business partners.
I imagine Aliens have the voice of the Brain Gremlin when conducting business deals.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 11, 2018, 11:23:24 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 11, 2018, 11:23:24 AM
One thing is clear. The only way in hell they'll get Parker to go back out is if they promise him double shares and include a clause to discuss the bonus situation at every instance of a xenomorph.
f**k, I just realized, Hudson and Parker describing the alien would be an epic scene. Huge Bugs!
f**k, I just realized, Hudson and Parker describing the alien would be an epic scene. Huge Bugs!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2018, 11:32:35 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 13, 2018, 11:32:35 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Aug 11, 2018, 09:41:10 AMBut incredibly reasonable business partners.
It's not like you'll ever see them f*cking each other over for a God damn percentage.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 13, 2018, 06:18:31 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 13, 2018, 06:18:31 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 13, 2018, 08:11:18 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 13, 2018, 08:11:18 PM
I wonder if aliens can be disappointed?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 14, 2018, 12:58:33 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 14, 2018, 12:58:33 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Aug 16, 2018, 06:51:38 PM
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Aug 16, 2018, 06:51:38 PM
I can't believe this thread is still alive after twelve years
(It was Bishop)
(It was Bishop)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 16, 2018, 07:03:08 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 16, 2018, 07:03:08 PM
Quote from: Mystic Lemons on Aug 16, 2018, 06:51:38 PM
I can't believe this thread is still alive after twelve years
(It was Bishop)
It's a testament to the ludicrous lengths people will go to in order to explain away a clear cock up... :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 16, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 16, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 06:04:22 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 06:04:22 AM
But Bishop did do it. We all know Bishop is just David in a Bishop skin.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 17, 2018, 09:41:31 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 17, 2018, 09:41:31 AM
If this goes on any longer we're going to have to develop shorthand for our suppositions.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 10:08:18 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 10:08:18 AM
Some days I wish I would have went into film just to be able to create the perfect Bishop done it film. I would disguise the film as any old alien movie but then would have it tie directly into Aliens during which we follow Bishop stealing alien eggs and sabotaging support beams.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 17, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 17, 2018, 02:19:26 PM
And placing the eggs upside down. Completely screwing with canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 08:13:40 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 08:13:40 PM
No not screwing with canon, screwing with hu-mans. We'll learn that the second Bishop(A3) was already on board the Sulaco and we'll watch him glue the egg upside down. Half Bishop will then ask Bishop2 why the hell did he do that. Bishop2 will say he hates insurance adjusters and will take joy in knowing once he turns the security system back on the industry will collapse while they try and make sense of the asinine footage.
To explain why it took company so long to get to Fury... nah not too long. They wanted to arrive just at the right moment and secure the cargo while it still was in it's chest buster stage. Essentially Bishop was going to grab the alien as it erupted from Ripley's chest. A nice and simple in and out but that one Asian guy was a little too gun happy and blew the entire set up.
To explain why it took company so long to get to Fury... nah not too long. They wanted to arrive just at the right moment and secure the cargo while it still was in it's chest buster stage. Essentially Bishop was going to grab the alien as it erupted from Ripley's chest. A nice and simple in and out but that one Asian guy was a little too gun happy and blew the entire set up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 17, 2018, 09:50:11 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 17, 2018, 09:50:11 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 08:13:40 PM
A nice and simple in and out but that one Asian guy was a little too gun happy and blew the entire set up.
I didn't see what you were getting at there for a second. I was about to say, "but Vasquez was a Hispanic woman for God's sake". :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 10:08:52 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 10:08:52 PM
Mistake's were made. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 17, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 17, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
Is that the official alternative title for Alien3? :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Aug 17, 2018, 11:53:24 PM
Post by: Stitch on Aug 17, 2018, 11:53:24 PM
It was David. It's always David. Everything is now David. Retroactively. The egg was planted by David. The egg is David. Ripley is now David.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 18, 2018, 12:38:07 AM
Post by: Nostromo on Aug 18, 2018, 12:38:07 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 06:04:22 AM
But Bishop did do it. We all know Bishop is just David in a Bishop skin.
Fukin A, makes sense, programmed by Weyland-Yutani to be super sensitive and caring, yet also programmed to do anything the company programmed him to do.
Prime Objective: Bring back lifeform, lifeforms if possible
Secondary Objectives:
-Be ultra discreet about it
- Avoid bringing back anyone alive (unless your decapitated or cut in half and can't fly back on your own)
Why would he come back for Ripley then?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 18, 2018, 12:48:04 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 18, 2018, 12:48:04 AM
I think we all know the truth...
Spunkmeyer... he never got on that dropship.
Really though I think its time we reached a consensus here.
The anwser is that there isnt an anwser. There is no legitimate way to explain the egg on the Sulaco.
Spunkmeyer... he never got on that dropship.
Really though I think its time we reached a consensus here.
The anwser is that there isnt an anwser. There is no legitimate way to explain the egg on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2018, 01:22:59 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2018, 01:22:59 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 18, 2018, 12:38:07 AMThe behavioral inhibitors? Well that's assuming Bishop was even telling the truth in the first place. I'll chalk it up to artificial person sympathy. Yea, not bad for a hu-man.Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 06:04:22 AMWhy would he come back for Ripley then?
But Bishop did do it. We all know Bishop is just David in a Bishop skin.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 18, 2018, 12:48:04 AMThere is no legitimate way to explain the egg on the Sulaco.Royal jelly?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2018, 02:41:32 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2018, 02:41:32 AM
Legitimate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 02:43:01 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 02:43:01 AM
100%
(Just remove the damn shot.)
(Just remove the damn shot.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 18, 2018, 02:50:10 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 18, 2018, 02:50:10 AM
Can't believe I missed this 12 year old still active thread.
Anyway... when I was a child I did have this memory of seeing Bishop tell Ripley he putted the eggs there for some reason. I later rewatched the movie a few years after AVP came out in my teens and was suprised that the scene wasn't there. It's like my childish mind made up an explanation on it's own for the magical asspull egg. Strange stuff.
Anyway... when I was a child I did have this memory of seeing Bishop tell Ripley he putted the eggs there for some reason. I later rewatched the movie a few years after AVP came out in my teens and was suprised that the scene wasn't there. It's like my childish mind made up an explanation on it's own for the magical asspull egg. Strange stuff.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 03:00:15 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 03:00:15 AM
Here's your in movie explanation;
"I had a terrible dream in hypersleep."
Perhaps the visuals aren't as literal as we all believe.
"I had a terrible dream in hypersleep."
Perhaps the visuals aren't as literal as we all believe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 18, 2018, 03:40:43 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 18, 2018, 03:40:43 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Aug 17, 2018, 11:53:24 PM
Ripley is now David.
Ripley is David and Daniels child. She is space Nephilim, and unknowingly returned to kill her brother, Big Chap.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 04:53:25 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 04:53:25 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2018, 01:22:59 AMQuote from: Nostromo on Aug 18, 2018, 12:38:07 AMThe behavioral inhibitors? Well that's assuming Bishop was even telling the truth in the first place. I'll chalk it up to artificial person sympathy. Yea, not bad for a hu-man.Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 17, 2018, 06:04:22 AMWhy would he come back for Ripley then?
But Bishop did do it. We all know Bishop is just David in a Bishop skin.Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 18, 2018, 12:48:04 AMThere is no legitimate way to explain the egg on the Sulaco.Royal jelly?
Royal Jelly = Verm rage!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 04:53:25 AMBut it goes so well with the cornbread.
Royal Jelly = Verm rage!
I see there as being two options, Bishop did it or it's an entirely new species of alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2018, 11:03:22 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2018, 11:03:22 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 03:00:15 AM
Here's your in movie explanation;
"I had a terrible dream in hypersleep."
Perhaps the visuals aren't as literal as we all believe.
I'm fairly sure SM often makes this point?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2018, 11:08:53 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2018, 11:08:53 AM
Yes. Often. For an exceedingly long time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2018, 11:12:07 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2018, 11:12:07 AM
Otherwise, it could have only been Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 18, 2018, 01:12:08 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 18, 2018, 01:12:08 PM
It was James Remars revenge ...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
Jonesy. The little shit
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 01:58:34 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 01:58:34 PM
Nah, it IS James Remar.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 18, 2018, 06:33:45 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 18, 2018, 06:33:45 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2018, 11:12:07 AM
Otherwise, it could have only been Hicks.
It would not be the first time an unknown life-form made it onto a ship due to a guy with an acid burn on his face.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Aug 18, 2018, 07:11:02 PM
Post by: Stitch on Aug 18, 2018, 07:11:02 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2018, 11:12:07 AMPlot twist. Hicks is David!
Otherwise, it could have only been Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2018, 09:20:11 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 18, 2018, 09:20:11 PM
Aright lets consider Hicks. He's a good solider. Probably hatched the plan with Bishop to act knocked out... no wait. It actually makes more sense that Bishop had to knock out Hicks so he could fly down and steal some alien eggs. There was probably a fight and thus he then manufactured the support beam failure because once Hick's regained consciousness he would have spoiled Bishops diabolical plans. It had to look like an accident. Right back to Bishop done it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 09:26:30 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 09:26:30 PM
It was bishop.
100%
Or it was all a dream.
100%
Or it was all a dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 18, 2018, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 18, 2018, 09:30:06 PM
There's far too much evidence against it being Bishop.
Principally the fact he simply didn't have time.
Principally the fact he simply didn't have time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 18, 2018, 09:55:33 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 18, 2018, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 18, 2018, 09:30:06 PM
There's far too much evidence against it being Bishop.
Principally the fact he simply didn't have time.
Plus, it would have totally ruined his character. But yeah, he wouldn't have had time either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2018, 10:11:34 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 18, 2018, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 18, 2018, 09:30:06 PM
There's far too much evidence against it being Bishop.
Principally the fact he simply didn't have time.
Is there actual evidence for it being Bishop?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
Dropped Ripley off on platform.
Descended ship to sub level.
Picked up eggs While Ripley was screwing with the queen and nest.
Ascended from sub level to platform in nick of time to rescue Ripley from Queen.
Lots of time.
Or it's a dream.
Descended ship to sub level.
Picked up eggs While Ripley was screwing with the queen and nest.
Ascended from sub level to platform in nick of time to rescue Ripley from Queen.
Lots of time.
Or it's a dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 11:35:10 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 18, 2018, 11:35:10 PM
That's not evidence, it's supposition.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2018, 11:42:33 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2018, 11:42:33 PM
Even if Bishop did all that, it still doesn't explain how the egg made it on board the Sulaco itself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 12:16:18 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 12:16:18 AM
Bishop could have came across some alien eggs on the trip to the communicator. The drones probably were placing eggs throughout the facility. Bishop could have already stored the eggs on the drop ship right before Ripley arrived. Bishop might have also made a run to the Sulaco to ensure the alien eggs safety after delivering Ripley to the platform before returning out of a sheer chance in hell that Ripley was alive. That's why Bishop gets stabbed in the back by the queen. Cameron's telling us Bishop is a backstabber. All the evidenced one really needs.
I mean come on, circle around my buttocks. The dropship hovers and is armored. He was either stealing alien eggs or depositing them aboard the Sulaco.
He's a company robot. There is no way Bishop is all good.
I mean come on, circle around my buttocks. The dropship hovers and is armored. He was either stealing alien eggs or depositing them aboard the Sulaco.
Quote from: Vermillion on Aug 18, 2018, 10:51:35 PMAlthough this is exactly what happened and I think Spock would agree. It's that or a dream.
Dropped Ripley off on platform.
Descended ship to sub level.
Picked up eggs While Ripley was screwing with the queen and nest.
Ascended from sub level to platform in nick of time to rescue Ripley from Queen.
Lots of time.
Or it's a dream.
He's a company robot. There is no way Bishop is all good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 19, 2018, 01:18:35 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 19, 2018, 01:18:35 AM
The time it would take to get to the sulaco, dock, and do his thing would have been way too long. When Bishop drops ripley off there is only 20 minutes until explosion.
This has all been combed over multiple times in this thread alone. Bishop didnt have the time or opportunity to get the egg on the ship. Good robot or not, Bishop doing the deed isn't feasable.
This has all been combed over multiple times in this thread alone. Bishop didnt have the time or opportunity to get the egg on the ship. Good robot or not, Bishop doing the deed isn't feasable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 19, 2018, 02:00:18 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Aug 19, 2018, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 12:16:18 AMNo he's not - he's owned by the USCM and was attached to the Marine squad.
He's a company robot. There is no way Bishop is all good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 02:02:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 02:02:41 AM
I thought he was ECA property.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 02:30:06 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 02:30:06 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Aug 19, 2018, 02:00:18 AMReally? Well he sure took Burke's orders like a Champ. He was very specific.Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 12:16:18 AMNo he's not - he's owned by the USCM and was attached to the Marine squad.
He's a company robot. There is no way Bishop is all good.
I don't think it matters. Much like Gorman was highly likely put in place by Burke, I'm certain so was Bishops programing. Maybe something akin to Directive 4 in Robocop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 03:41:54 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 03:41:54 AM
It was done to give credence to a third movie. The Aliens are just capable, nuff said. That's what we are expected to take on faith.
If it has to be explained any other way, it's better to say Bishop had a hand in it. It wasn't malice on his part, he was just doing what he was told to do. He had the time, the ability, and had already been told once to take care of the specimens for return.
How the egg got upside down? That's an alien 3 script issue. How they got on board? Bishop, all the way. Why even bother including footage of him being gone otherwise? Why make it a thing? He could've been waiting right there the whole time and the movie wouldn't have made less sense or anything.
If it has to be explained any other way, it's better to say Bishop had a hand in it. It wasn't malice on his part, he was just doing what he was told to do. He had the time, the ability, and had already been told once to take care of the specimens for return.
How the egg got upside down? That's an alien 3 script issue. How they got on board? Bishop, all the way. Why even bother including footage of him being gone otherwise? Why make it a thing? He could've been waiting right there the whole time and the movie wouldn't have made less sense or anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2018, 04:45:50 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2018, 04:45:50 AM
QuoteBishop could have came across some alien eggs on the trip to the communicator. The drones probably were placing eggs throughout the facility. Bishop could have already stored the eggs on the drop ship right before Ripley arrived. Bishop might have also made a run to the Sulaco to ensure the alien eggs safety after delivering Ripley to the platform before returning out of a sheer chance in hell that Ripley was alive. That's why Bishop gets stabbed in the back by the queen. Cameron's telling us Bishop is a backstabber. All the evidenced one really needs.
So, that's a "no" then?
QuoteHe's a company robot.
He's ECA; not Company.
QuoteIf it has to be explained any other way, it's better to say Bishop had a hand in it. It wasn't malice on his part, he was just doing what he was told to do. He had the time, the ability, and had already been told once to take care of the specimens for return.
Nope.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 05:36:42 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 05:36:42 AM
So if he's ECA then does that mean he could actually be Burke's lap dog?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 05:56:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 05:56:45 AM
... the ECA is one of the groups Burke is trying to get around by getting Newt and Ripley infected, dude.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 06:27:53 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 06:27:53 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 19, 2018, 04:45:50 AM
Nope.
Would it bother you if Bishop did bring eggs onboard the dropship?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 07:50:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 07:50:10 AM
Better the stasis tubes than eggs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 08:58:19 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 08:58:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 05:56:45 AMYea but this is the corporate ruled universe of Ridley Scott. I figure that's less of a problem than Bishop being owned by the USCM.
... the ECA is one of the groups Burke is trying to get around by getting Newt and Ripley infected, dude.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 09:30:59 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 09:30:59 AM
If the company had nothing to fear from the government, why smuggle the aliens through quarantine at all?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 19, 2018, 10:04:20 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 19, 2018, 10:04:20 AM
Sigh
It's only a studio insert, it wasn't in the shooting script.
It's only a studio insert, it wasn't in the shooting script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 10:11:05 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 10:11:05 AM
Too bad the Assembly Cut didn't take it out then. That would have been the perfect opportunity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 19, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 19, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
Even if Bishop did have the time to do it (he didn't), and you're happy for him to be just another dodgy android (and completely ruin his character), you're asking us to believe that Ripley would be stupid enough to not take a quick check of the immediate surroundings before going into cryosleep. It's clearly the work of an alien wizard, it's the only logical explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 10:32:59 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 10:32:59 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 09:30:59 AMWell it wasn't the company so much as it was Burke. I mean it wasn't like anyone else appeared to know anything at all about xenomorphs.
If the company had nothing to fear from the government, why smuggle the aliens through quarantine at all?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 19, 2018, 10:37:04 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 19, 2018, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 10:11:05 AM
Too bad the Assembly Cut didn't take it out then. That would have been the perfect opportunity.
Yes it would have.
So now it's just;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
& We can stop having this discussion until something changes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 10:48:04 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 10:32:59 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 09:30:59 AM
If the company had nothing to fear from the government, why smuggle the aliens through quarantine at all?
Well it wasn't the company so much as it was Burke. I mean it wasn't like anyone else appeared to know anything at all about xenomorphs.
The point is that the company isn't above the law. Burke, as the company rep assigned to the mission, wouldn't have been able to get the aliens past ICC quarantine without smuggling them. I doubt the company would have balked at him doing so either since he was confident that he'd make a fortune handing them over to the bio-weapons division.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 19, 2018, 10:37:04 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 10:11:05 AM
Too bad the Assembly Cut didn't take it out then. That would have been the perfect opportunity.
Yes it would have.
So now it's just;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
& We can stop having this discussion until something changes.
Have you seen my proto-egg theory?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 11:00:47 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 08:58:19 AMThat ... wasn't what Alien was, either ???Quote from: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 05:56:45 AMYea but this is the corporate ruled universe of Ridley Scott. I figure that's less of a problem than Bishop being owned by the USCM.
... the ECA is one of the groups Burke is trying to get around by getting Newt and Ripley infected, dude.
It was never, ever a "corporate-ruled universe". The Company was always just a company. Big and powerful and indifferent to the wellbeing of its employees -- like companies of the time, like companies now -- but they were still answerable to some law. The comparison drawn by Hill et al was Exxon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 19, 2018, 11:30:57 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 19, 2018, 11:30:57 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 06:27:53 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 19, 2018, 04:45:50 AM
Nope.
Would it bother you if Bishop did bring eggs onboard the dropship?
So the egg was in the corner of the dropship with a coat covering it so no one would notice? And it didnt open and attack anyone just because? And it just placed itself upside down somewhere on the Sulaco because Bishop was torn in half upon landing and he wouldnt be able to tend to it?
Just go back through this thread to one of the many times that the Bishop theories have been disproved. He doesnt have the time to go back to the Sulaco and then come back for Ripley (would take hours). And he couldnt just go pick some eggs up when Ripley was with the queen because he is disabled right when they get to the Sulaco. So no chance to move the eggs on board.
We're doomed to repeat the same discussions over and over in this Purgatory that we call "Egg on Sulaco"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 11:57:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 11:00:47 AMThe comparison drawn by Hill et al was Exxon.
Did Hill actually state that in an interview or something? I'd like to see that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 12:26:35 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 19, 2018, 12:26:35 PM
Ah, for God's sake.
I swore I read that in Dissecting Aliens: Terror in Space, but a quick Google finds nothing and I'm now starting to think Dr Flynn put that in there as a comparison to a [later] real-world event than an actual influence.
The actual point still stands (the Company was never meant to be omnipotent) but that comparison can f**k right off without proof.
I swore I read that in Dissecting Aliens: Terror in Space, but a quick Google finds nothing and I'm now starting to think Dr Flynn put that in there as a comparison to a [later] real-world event than an actual influence.
The actual point still stands (the Company was never meant to be omnipotent) but that comparison can f**k right off without proof.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Either way, I'd say it's an apt comparison.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 08:26:22 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 08:26:22 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 19, 2018, 11:30:57 AM
We're doomed to repeat the same discussions over and over in this Purgatory that we call "Egg on Sulaco"
"Until the day"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 19, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 19, 2018, 05:36:42 AM
So if he's ECA then does that mean he could actually be Burke's lap dog?
No.
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 19, 2018, 06:27:53 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 19, 2018, 04:45:50 AM
Nope.
Would it bother you if Bishop did bring eggs onboard the dropship?
If there was a shred if evidence to suggest Bishop did it, my opinion wouldn't matter either way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 20, 2018, 02:58:14 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 20, 2018, 02:58:14 AM
If you're opinion dosen't matter... then why bother replying?
I remember when I thought I nailed Bishop to the wall to then only realize the bugger was in a tunnel. But I keep trucking on.
I remember when I thought I nailed Bishop to the wall to then only realize the bugger was in a tunnel. But I keep trucking on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2018, 03:02:35 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2018, 03:02:35 AM
QuoteIf you're opinion dosen't matter... then why bother replying?
Because someone asked my opinion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 20, 2018, 06:03:36 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 20, 2018, 06:03:36 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2018, 03:02:35 AMQuoteIf you're opinion dosen't matter... then why bother replying?
Because someone asked my opinion.
I did, and thank you for replying courteously. And just for the record, I never believed Bishop planted any facehuggers, certainly not upside down on the walls. Merely that he had some on the dropship. How they got anywhere from there, I couldn't say.
In reality, it was most likely just a poor choice made during the production of Alien 3. They needed an egg, and somebody had the stupid idea to put it where we saw it on film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2018, 06:23:54 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 20, 2018, 06:23:54 AM
I don't believe any of the scripts adequately described how or why there was an egg/ Alien on board. It was just generally a given that 'there's an Alien on the Sulaco'. Except for Twohy's script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2018, 09:31:16 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2018, 09:31:16 AM
You don't think Gibson's script made it adequately clear?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
Hehe Bishop grew the egg via a xenovirus
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 20, 2018, 10:18:16 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 20, 2018, 10:18:16 AM
So Bishop straight up got raped by the queen?
The unexplainable egg still isn't as bad as the idea of a super facehugger.
The unexplainable egg still isn't as bad as the idea of a super facehugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2018, 10:19:49 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 20, 2018, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2018, 09:31:16 AMYou don't think Gibson's script made it adequately clear?
He adequately explained the egg.
He then went and f*cked that by having two random full-grown Aliens on board as well.
Admittedly he fixed that in draft two, but it's pretty clear that even from an early stage the logic regarding creatures on board was... spotty at best.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2018, 10:38:32 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2018, 10:38:32 AM
I can't help but wonder if he changed it for the second draft because it made no sense or because it would have been too expensive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 20, 2018, 10:49:05 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 20, 2018, 10:49:05 AM
That reminds me, I still got to finish getting that draft on the wiki. :P
To be honest gents I am not sure how long this can keep going. The fact some of the responses are just jokes is a sign that this has been discussed to death with no adequete resolution. Its either the Queen did it somehow or peeps saying Bishop.....for some reason. There is no answer and if there was one, then the simple fact would be that they didn't care, they wanted to a sequel and the eggs was just a plot device to justify the film.
A lot worse has been done for the sake of plots and sequels.
To be honest gents I am not sure how long this can keep going. The fact some of the responses are just jokes is a sign that this has been discussed to death with no adequete resolution. Its either the Queen did it somehow or peeps saying Bishop.....for some reason. There is no answer and if there was one, then the simple fact would be that they didn't care, they wanted to a sequel and the eggs was just a plot device to justify the film.
A lot worse has been done for the sake of plots and sequels.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It's exactly what I've stated multiple times now; it was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
There, done- finito.
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
There, done- finito.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 20, 2018, 12:02:35 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 20, 2018, 12:02:35 PM
Oh come on guys. We've gotta keep up the 2nd Tuesday of the month Blame Bishop tradition going. Almost made it an entire week this time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 20, 2018, 02:27:38 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 20, 2018, 02:27:38 PM
Bishop did it..... :P
My explanation? He had a secret teleportation device given to him by Burke. Why was the egg upside down? Android curiosity: I wonder how strong is this glue I got laying around?
Also, Bishop was counting on on Ripley not looking up. ;)
My explanation? He had a secret teleportation device given to him by Burke. Why was the egg upside down? Android curiosity: I wonder how strong is this glue I got laying around?
Also, Bishop was counting on on Ripley not looking up. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 02:29:32 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 02:29:32 PM
I hate you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 20, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 20, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
It's obviously something to do with the Engineer time travel technology that keeps being teased in the comics.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2018, 11:48:29 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 20, 2018, 11:48:29 PM
Like Star Trek IV.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 21, 2018, 12:47:20 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 21, 2018, 12:47:20 AM
Nah, more like the teleporter tech from the Fly. Where it scrambles the egg up a bit and leaves it inverted... it also messes with structural integrity and the layout and color scheme of the environment. The royal facehugger is also a bastardization so this theory could fly. No pun intended.
Now where's Jeff Goldblum.
Now where's Jeff Goldblum.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Aug 22, 2018, 12:46:58 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Aug 22, 2018, 12:46:58 AM
There is a really obvious fix that saves all the android blame and queen theories...
There is a story we haven't seen yet. One that leads to events meaning the main cryochamber is inoperable (thus resulting in Ripley and Co resuming course and going back into cryo in cryochamber 2 - I mean Apone clearly stated that LV-426 was "a rescue mission, you'll love it" so any rescued colonists would have had to go somewhere on the Sulaco.. And the main cryochamber was full with marine personel, Burke and Ripley so it stands to reason there were more freezers elsewhere (also accounting for why they look different).. A "inbetween story" can sort it all easily..
There is a story we haven't seen yet. One that leads to events meaning the main cryochamber is inoperable (thus resulting in Ripley and Co resuming course and going back into cryo in cryochamber 2 - I mean Apone clearly stated that LV-426 was "a rescue mission, you'll love it" so any rescued colonists would have had to go somewhere on the Sulaco.. And the main cryochamber was full with marine personel, Burke and Ripley so it stands to reason there were more freezers elsewhere (also accounting for why they look different).. A "inbetween story" can sort it all easily..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 01:06:03 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 01:06:03 AM
Yeah, they tried that. Didn't turn out so good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2018, 04:10:24 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2018, 04:10:24 AM
Actually, UPP commandos boarded the ship, removed the passengers from their tubes (without reviving them) and then placed them back in the senior officers' cryotubes (in a different section of the ship) before sending the Sulaco back on her merry way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 22, 2018, 06:26:04 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 22, 2018, 06:26:04 AM
Reply #2288
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 22, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
How does a dream explain the cryotubes?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 22, 2018, 06:40:16 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 22, 2018, 06:40:16 AM
Nothing ever will, adequately that is.
It's simply an aesthetic/style based change.
It's simply an aesthetic/style based change.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 22, 2018, 07:00:18 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 22, 2018, 07:00:18 AM
Does anyone else actually want to invoke the "dream" escape clause?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 22, 2018, 07:15:42 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 22, 2018, 07:15:42 AM
It's the best thing we've got with the two current cuts of the film, and the best supposition since January 2006.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 11:06:19 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 11:06:19 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 22, 2018, 07:00:18 AM
Does anyone else actually want to invoke the "dream" escape clause?
The dream theory works up to the point where Ripley wakes up. Everything after that is real.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 22, 2018, 03:26:06 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 22, 2018, 03:26:06 PM
If we look at a theory with the most probability, the dream theory works even though it feels cheap. Still, let's not pretend the other ideas weren't cheap or ridiculous (even though I like how preposterous they are, just for the laughs).
I love Alien3, but whenever I really think about the movie, its whole history just makes me sad.
I love Alien3, but whenever I really think about the movie, its whole history just makes me sad.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 08:32:13 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 08:32:13 PM
It's not that cheap as the protagonist is asleep while the events are happening. Stuff happened on the Sulaco, very similar to what we see, but not literally what we see.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 22, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 22, 2018, 11:13:20 PM
Dream theory absolutely works. It can't fix the super facehuggger but that's a minor deal over all.
There was never an egg.
There was never an egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 11:31:32 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 22, 2018, 11:31:32 PM
Or maybe there was - but it was in a different spot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2018, 02:09:39 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2018, 02:09:39 AM
Well I'm just going with the facehugger scuttles Cameron added in at the end of Aliens. That or maybe the Queen has her own personal "queen" facehugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 02:48:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 02:48:14 AM
You mean it detaches from her body like Scorponok? :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 23, 2018, 03:23:58 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 23, 2018, 03:23:58 AM
We've got eggs on the walls, large facehuggers running around, and none of it makes any sense. Let's just proclaim it "the inaccurate conception" and call it a done deal. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 03:30:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 03:30:41 AM
Have I told you about my ooze theory?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 23, 2018, 03:50:41 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 23, 2018, 03:50:41 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 03:30:41 AM
Have I told you about my ooze theory?
You're not a proctologist are you? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 04:50:25 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 04:50:25 AM
Don't make me post that butthole ice cream parlor video again.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 23, 2018, 05:19:11 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 23, 2018, 05:19:11 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 02:48:14 AMBeast Wars.
You mean it detaches from her body like Scorponok? :D
Awesome
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 05:34:54 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 05:34:54 AM
https://www.wired.com/2015/09/royal-jelly-isnt-makes-queen-bee-queen-bee/
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2018, 07:44:15 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2018, 07:44:15 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 23, 2018, 02:48:14 AMWell pretty much.
You mean it detaches from her body like Scorponok? :D
Be more strange if the true alien boss was that large facehugger. The queen was just it's exosuit. Kind of like Krang. The super facehugger was a type of alien that could lay as many eggs or rape as many hosts as it needed. The reason it died was due to blunt force trauma from the crash which left it with enough juice for one last rape.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2018, 08:42:10 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 23, 2018, 08:42:10 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 23, 2018, 03:23:58 AMLet's just proclaim it "the inaccurate conception" and call it a done deal. ;)
:laugh:
Touché.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 24, 2018, 09:22:16 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Aug 24, 2018, 09:22:16 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 03, 2018, 09:35:01 PMQuote from: Guts on Aug 03, 2018, 03:56:11 AM
One of my personal theories is that it was a last resort egg.
Mystery solved! :D
Question, how do we know the egg was upside down? Couldn't have just been the Camera angle itself?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2018, 09:23:34 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 24, 2018, 09:23:34 PM
Either the egg was upside down or the support strut with 'Sulaco' on it was.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 24, 2018, 10:57:24 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 24, 2018, 10:57:24 PM
Either way, you're asking us to accept a heavy dose of Ripley stupidity...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 01:28:50 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 01:28:50 AM
Nah, these things are good at hiding.
& Intelligent.
& Mobile.
& Intelligent.
& Mobile.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 01:43:15 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 01:43:15 AM
It was all smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 25, 2018, 03:03:21 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 25, 2018, 03:03:21 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 01:28:50 AM
Nah, these things are good at hiding.
& Intelligent.
& Mobile.
Eggs?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 03:41:28 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 03:41:28 AM
Reply #2288
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 04:00:31 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 04:00:31 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 24, 2018, 10:57:24 PM
Either way, you're asking us to accept a heavy dose of Ripley stupidity...
I'm not asking anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 04:30:04 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 04:30:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 04:00:31 AMAnd therefor that's asking a lot of us.Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 24, 2018, 10:57:24 PM
Either way, you're asking us to accept a heavy dose of Ripley stupidity...
I'm not asking anything.
However on the filming side of things, does anyone know who the actual person is that glue the egg upside down on set?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:34:47 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:34:47 AM
At least the egg was concealed and motionless, thus explaining how Ripley could have missed it even after a deliberate search. A facehugger scurrying loose around the Sulaco, on the other hand, would have presumably set off a motion tracker.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 04:38:54 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 04:38:54 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:34:47 AM
At least the egg was concealed and motionless, thus explaining how Ripley could have missed it even after a deliberate search. A facehugger scurrying loose around the Sulaco, on the other hand, would have presumably set off a motion tracker.
Not if it was, far far away it wouldn't.
Rather than a static object that would have to be in the vicinity of the Queen.
Far more easily found.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 04:42:18 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 04:42:18 AM
The motion sensor was manufactured by WY?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:47:20 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:47:20 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 04:38:54 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:34:47 AM
At least the egg was concealed and motionless, thus explaining how Ripley could have missed it even after a deliberate search. A facehugger scurrying loose around the Sulaco, on the other hand, would have presumably set off a motion tracker.
Not if it was, far far away it wouldn't.
Rather than a static object that would have to be in the vicinity of the Queen.
Far more easily found.
Hence the ooze theory.
If the egg started out as a small blob of amorphous goo that fell out of the queen's abdomen and grew over the course of their journey back to Earth, Ripley may not have recognized it as anything more than harmless alien slime (if she saw it at all).
Conversely, why would a facehugger venture "far far away" from a potential host? Why not just attack?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 04:50:21 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 04:50:21 AM
Because they ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
Or the Queen commanded them, as a genetic backup- hence one of them being a (potential) Queen Facehugger in the first place.
After E.R's experiences,
I don't believe anything else.
Or the Queen commanded them, as a genetic backup- hence one of them being a (potential) Queen Facehugger in the first place.
After E.R's experiences,
I don't believe anything else.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:51:38 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:51:38 AM
And when the danger passed, during Ripley's theoretical search?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 05:02:51 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 05:02:51 AM
In modern movies, it's not too much to ask for futuristic spaceships to get equipment and programs that can detect even small traces of unknown and potentially hazardous life- forms or other biological material. Back in 86, I'm guessing it either couldn't be conceived of, or was purposefully left out so another movie could be made.
In any modern film, Ripley would've done a ship-wide scan of some kind before going into cryo. That didn't happen in 86, and we can't blame the past for ideas they couldn't imagine. I've given up on that.
The thing is though, would they have been able to do anything about it regardless? How many eggs and facehugger were there? Would the facehuggers have gotten them even if they were not in cryo? They may very well have been looking at a similarly awful fate aboard the Sulaco, even had they known there were aliens onboard. Full size warrior aliens are one thing, but those facehugger are some agile and quick little buggers. All they'd need is a millisecond.
In any modern film, Ripley would've done a ship-wide scan of some kind before going into cryo. That didn't happen in 86, and we can't blame the past for ideas they couldn't imagine. I've given up on that.
The thing is though, would they have been able to do anything about it regardless? How many eggs and facehugger were there? Would the facehuggers have gotten them even if they were not in cryo? They may very well have been looking at a similarly awful fate aboard the Sulaco, even had they known there were aliens onboard. Full size warrior aliens are one thing, but those facehugger are some agile and quick little buggers. All they'd need is a millisecond.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:07:59 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:07:59 AM
That's the biggest flaw in the facehugger scenario, IMO. It could even be why the filmmakers gave us an egg instead.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:15:16 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:15:16 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 04:51:38 AM
And when the danger passed?
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.
That's how I see it, ever since I heard that scuttling at the end of Aliens, and knowing the A3 intro as I do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:16:50 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:16:50 AM
Why didn't Ripley stumble upon them as she was scouring the ship?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:19:20 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:19:20 AM
Because she didn't scour the entirety of the enormous military ship, she scoured the dropship, hangar and then went to bed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:23:59 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:23:59 AM
I had no idea that facehuggers were so cautious or elusive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 05:28:13 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 05:28:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:16:50 AM
Why didn't Ripley stumble upon them as she was scouring the ship?
She got lucky with the facehugger in medlab, albeit that one had been out of the egg for some time, and may have been weakened or operating slightly slower. We know from that scene, and covenant, that they are crafty little guys. And should be insanely quick. That one in Covenant covered distance and clamped onto Lope in a single blink. Had Ripley crossed paths with a fresh one like that, I don't think she'd make it, let alone even know it was there.
As for what's on film? I can now only assume it's a combination of factors. Such as:
1. They didn't think of ship-wide scans back in 86.
2. The egg or eggs were in a larval stage, and thus could not be easily found until they had matured. Of course everyone had been asleep for awhile at that point, and were basically helpless.
And thanks to cold forge, I'm starting to wonder if that fluid in Newts lungs was actually from the cryo-tube. Unless it was some sort of impact absorbing fluid that floods the tube before a crash.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:34:05 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:34:05 AM
Also noteworthy: the facehugger that got Spike apparently waited until the prisoners had cleared out before striking, which may indicate a certain level of instinctive cunning.
But that's only in the theatrical cut.
But that's only in the theatrical cut.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 05:41:59 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 05:41:59 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:34:05 AM
Also noteworthy: the facehugger that got Spike apparently waited until the prisoners had cleared out before striking. That may indicate a certain level of instinctive cunning.
But that's only in the theatrical cut.
They're quite possibly the most necessary link in the xenomorph chain of evolution. Without them, there is no xenomorph. They have no real weapons to speak of, like their children. Except for lightning speed and enormous physical strength. But there has to be an intelligence there as well. They have to navigate an unknown and likely hostile environment from the moment of release, and must choose, outmaneuver and successfully attack a host that could be any level of dangerous. They're nothing to screw with.
Smitty (as I call him) from Covenant, was solid proof of what they can take, and what they are capable of.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:44:38 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:44:38 AM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:51:06 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:51:06 AM
Apparently the aliens are a lot like humans in that they get dumber in crowds (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160113-are-your-opinions-really-your-own).
Like the adult soldiers, facehuggers seem less inclined toward self-preservation when they're not alone.
Like the adult soldiers, facehuggers seem less inclined toward self-preservation when they're not alone.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:53:24 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 05:53:24 AM
Take the opportunity to attack with overwhelming numbers, more cautious when there's only you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:55:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:55:45 AM
So the idea is that a facehugger leapt off the dropship and scurried away to find a safe hidey-hole so it could stalk its prey later?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2018, 05:57:04 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2018, 05:57:04 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:55:45 AM
So the idea is that a facehugger leapt off the dropship, scurried away to find a safe hidey-hole and then stalk its prey later?
After passing out from drinking royal jelly
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:58:21 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:58:21 AM
You didn't read up about royal jelly in that link I posted earlier, did you?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:10 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:10 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:55:45 AM
So the idea is that a facehugger leapt off the dropship and scurried away to find a safe hidey-hole so it could stalk its prey later?
You nailed it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:16 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:16 AM
What is the reason for the facehugger stage anyways? To ensure genetic and environmental superiority?
The eggs just sit there and wait for a host. So what caused the egg in Alien3 to trigger in the first place if the entire crew was already in stasis? Was the egg was on a timer?
The eggs just sit there and wait for a host. So what caused the egg in Alien3 to trigger in the first place if the entire crew was already in stasis? Was the egg was on a timer?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:02:51 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:02:51 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:16 AM
The eggs just sit there and wait for a host.
So what caused the egg in A3 to trigger in the first place if the entire crew was already in stasis?
It was a nightmare egg, it doesn't exist.
The Facehugger(s) does though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:05:31 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:05:31 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:51:06 AM
Like the adult soldiers, facehuggers seem less inclined toward self-preservation when they're not alone.
Which is terribly disappointing. The carnage and effectiveness of a single alien is a given. To see them hurling themselves by the dozens (like wwz zombies) at sentry guns in Aliens 86, just to test for ways in, was a waste. I'd expect them to send one drone (we'll call him steve) down the hall, get blasted, and then say, "Okay, we're not getting in that way. We can't afford to waste half the hive over like 5 hosts. Let's check the ceiling over in d-block".
I mean really, Big Chap and Runner can do what they did, but it takes how many dead Aliens to figure out the ceiling might be an option?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:16 AM
The eggs just sit there and wait for a host. So what caused the egg in Alien3 to trigger in the first place if the entire crew was already in stasis? Was the egg was on a timer?
I'm my delirious state, allow me to propose a theory. I know this contradicts the novel, but what the heck, why not have some fun with it.
Spoiler
One or several warrior aliens accompanied the queen onboard the dropship, carrying eggs. Once onboard the Sulaco, it/they took the egg(s) deep into the ship. The Queen had a score to settle. Sh*t had gotten personal. If she failed, they were her backup plan.
After the death of the queen, the Alien either retreated into the depths of the ship to become a new queen itself, while the facehugger did their job or was present for the cryo-impregnation. It may have even used its own blood and strength to burn/break a way into the tubes for the facehuggers.
After the death of the queen, the Alien either retreated into the depths of the ship to become a new queen itself, while the facehugger did their job or was present for the cryo-impregnation. It may have even used its own blood and strength to burn/break a way into the tubes for the facehuggers.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:14:32 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:14:32 AM
Can you imagine 157 Covenant Aliens going at the marines?
They'd have no chance.
IMO that's why it would be great to see humans and Aliens at their best and most competent going at each other, post A3 or AR.
With a group of people that know what they're going up against, wearing Apesuits, acid resistant gear, concussive force based weapons, etc
They'd have no chance.
IMO that's why it would be great to see humans and Aliens at their best and most competent going at each other, post A3 or AR.
With a group of people that know what they're going up against, wearing Apesuits, acid resistant gear, concussive force based weapons, etc
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:16:23 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:16:23 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:05:31 AMWe can't afford to waste half the hive over like 5 hosts.
To be fair, the aliens may have gone after the marines because they presented an existential threat to the hive and not just because they were potential hosts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:20:10 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:20:10 AM
Spoiler
Huggs, that doesn't work for a whole host of continuity reasons unless that electrical fire was much more devastating than the film let on.
[close]
It's not so much that they went after a mere amount of hosts, but the manner in which they did.
Yet another reason I personally prefer the TC of Aliens, sacrilege I know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:22:05 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:22:05 AM
I prefer the TC too.
What's with the spoiler tags? How are those spoilers?
What's with the spoiler tags? How are those spoilers?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:23:49 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:23:49 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:16:23 AMQuote from: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:05:31 AMWe can't afford to waste half the hive over like 5 hosts.
To be fair, the aliens may have gone after the marines because they presented an existential threat to the hive and not just because they were potential hosts.
Could be that's what it was. Guess I'm a stickler for that ol' "no country for old men" line. "you pick the one right tool".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:26:38 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:26:38 AM
I wonder how many of the aliens were actually killed by the sentries. How many took multiple hits and how many shots missed? Didn't we only see like two or three of them die?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:29:47 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:29:47 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:26:38 AM
I wonder how many of the aliens were actually killed by the sentries. How many took multiple hits and how many shots missed? Didn't we only see like two or three of them die?
How many rounds were spent? How many could it have taken to kill them? Those guns were firing for a long time, and there were enough aliens still alive to tear into the pressure door after those first sentry's ran dry.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:30:20 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:30:20 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:22:05 AM
What's with the spoiler tags? How are those spoilers?
They aren't, just returning the courtesy of an idea generated in spoiler tags.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:26:38 AM
I wonder how many of the aliens were actually killed by the sentries. How many took multiple hits and how many shots missed? Didn't we only see like two or three of them die?
We see two or three reused shots, and a lot of pained high pitch screams.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:34:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:34:43 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:29:47 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:26:38 AM
I wonder how many of the aliens were actually killed by the sentries. How many took multiple hits and how many shots missed? Didn't we only see like two or three of them die?
How many rounds were spent? How many could it have taken to kill them? Those guns were firing for a long time, and there were enough aliens still alive to tear into the pressure door after those first sentry's ran dry.
Four sentries with 500 rounds each and a very high rate of fire. If the aliens were leaping from wall to wall, it's possible that they drew a lot of misses too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:39:31 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 25, 2018, 06:39:31 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:20:10 AMSpoiler
Huggs, that doesn't work for a whole host of continuity reasons unless that electrical fire was much more devastating than the film let on.[close]
True. I suppose having a warrior carry an egg off into the ship while mommy goes to get revenge would only work if the Queen was doing it to extend her territory. The hive is going to die and she's leaving. Taking a egg and a warrior to protect/transport it would be a quick way to restart everything, and a good way to mark her territory. "Even if you kill me, my seed is here now, all of this belongs to me".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:45:10 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:45:10 AM
@Local Trouble
Much to my chagrin, the noises would lead me to believe otherwise.
But if you want to convince me that they dodged 75% of the fire and a small number of Aliens died at each entrance
before finding an alternative means of infiltration- I'm all for it.
@Huggs
A duo of Facehuggers would be harder to find however, and again there's no evidence or suggestion of an adult survivor.
Much to my chagrin, the noises would lead me to believe otherwise.
But if you want to convince me that they dodged 75% of the fire and a small number of Aliens died at each entrance
before finding an alternative means of infiltration- I'm all for it.
@Huggs
A duo of Facehuggers would be harder to find however, and again there's no evidence or suggestion of an adult survivor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:50:11 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 06:50:11 AM
You could always count the screams and consider each one of them a kill.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 07:01:44 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 07:01:44 AM
It's hard to keep track because there's overlap, but you hear aboooout 50 screams across the two scenes.
That leaves almost 100 left by the end of the film if you're going by scream = kill (although one Alien screams when the guns aren't firing in the first scene, soo....)
That leaves almost 100 left by the end of the film if you're going by scream = kill (although one Alien screams when the guns aren't firing in the first scene, soo....)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 07:04:17 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 07:04:17 AM
I assume a few were also killed by the colonists during their last stand and the marines during their foray into the nest. That still leaves a lot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 07:05:15 AM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 07:05:15 AM
Perhaps the whole thing was a distraction while 25 of them were nawing through cables in the ceiling. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 07:21:40 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 07:21:40 AM
First off. The Aliens didn't attack before one of their children was set on fire. Sure they were using humans to breed but hey shit happens. Also that was one pissed off chestburster compared to Kane's son. There was definitely some pent up anger there.
Second, there is no way it would have taken 50 dead aliens to realize that they had to find another way into the meat locker. I'm pretty sure one alien got straight up shot to death but the others probably stuck a hand or tail out first. So with 5 extremities each plus the alien itself that would mean a total of 8 or 9 at worst. 2 of that had to be facehuggers and a egg or two thrown. So I say 5 dead alien warriors max.... :P
Second, there is no way it would have taken 50 dead aliens to realize that they had to find another way into the meat locker. I'm pretty sure one alien got straight up shot to death but the others probably stuck a hand or tail out first. So with 5 extremities each plus the alien itself that would mean a total of 8 or 9 at worst. 2 of that had to be facehuggers and a egg or two thrown. So I say 5 dead alien warriors max.... :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 25, 2018, 07:29:10 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 25, 2018, 07:29:10 AM
So that's 1 Queen, a couple of warriors and at least 1 facehugger that crept onboard in the few seconds the dropship was stuck? Anyone else? Maybe Hudson escaped and made it back? Or Simpson and Lydecker, having avoided the carnage and stayed undetected for the whole film? :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 07:52:57 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 07:52:57 AM
Well something awoke the egg, it might as well have been Hudson. heh which gives me an idea, maybe the egg decided to hang upside down on the wall because the floor was freezing. Hudson was right all along.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 08:33:42 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 08:33:42 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:16 AM
What is the reason for the facehugger stage anyways? To ensure genetic and environmental superiority?
The eggs just sit there and wait for a host. So what caused the egg in Alien3 to trigger in the first place if the entire crew was already in stasis? Was the egg was on a timer?
Micro changes in air density.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 07:01:44 AM
It's hard to keep track because there's overlap, but you hear aboooout 50 screams across the two scenes.
That leaves almost 100 left by the end of the film if you're going by scream = kill (although one Alien screams when the guns aren't firing in the first scene, soo....)
The front about to attack Ripley and Hicks when they're trying to cut Newt out of the sub basement is around 20. Who knows many behind that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 25, 2018, 08:56:09 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 25, 2018, 08:56:09 AM
Micro changes in air density my ass... :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 08:33:42 AMI think it's fair to say there's a shitload left whatever the exact number is.
The front about to attack Ripley and Hicks when they're trying to cut Newt out of the sub basement is around 20. Who knows many behind that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 09:24:19 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 09:24:19 AM
Even one is too many after they run out of ammo.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 09:31:22 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 09:23:04 AMQuote from: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 08:33:42 AMI think it's fair to say there's a shitload left whatever the exact number is.
The front about to attack Ripley and Hicks when they're trying to cut Newt out of the sub basement is around 20. Who knows many behind that.
Quite.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 09:43:36 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 09:43:36 AM
Yea but wasn't the question about how many got mowed down by the sentry guns. It couldn't have been more than a few.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 10:29:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 10:29:56 AM
If you go by scream = kill it's around 50, but I doubt it was that high. Even if it were, there were about 150-ish (heavy on the "ish") to start with, so by that point in the film even with a liberal estimate of deaths you're dealing with almost 100 Aliens left.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:52:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:52:14 AM
For the record, I'm not convinced that each scream is a kill either. The aliens just tend to scream, especially in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 11:25:16 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 11:25:16 AM
They were arguing (screaming) over who was gonna go next. We see this supported in A|R. :P
Although now I'm curious as too how many aliens got iced by the Hadley's Hope crew.
Although now I'm curious as too how many aliens got iced by the Hadley's Hope crew.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 25, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 25, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
Yeah that is another thing, the River of Pain has colonial marines stationed at the colony and they must have of got some kills ( I only read the book once or twice and I forgotten a great deal)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 02:00:12 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 02:00:12 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Aug 25, 2018, 07:29:10 AM
So that's 1 Queen, and at least 1 facehugger that crept onboard in the few seconds the dropship was stuck? Anyone else?
Nobody else as logic would indicate.
See posts #2288 and #2348.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Aug 25, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
The River of Pain has colonial marines stationed at the colony and they must have of got some kills?
I'd like to know from J C himself what weaponry the colony had access to.
As in the film, it doesn't seem like there was anything other than explosives.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2018, 02:10:27 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2018, 02:10:27 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:58:21 AMI did. But everyone just believes the untrue!
You didn't read up about royal jelly in that link I posted earlier, did you?
All misdirection like in Swordfish!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 25, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 07:52:57 AMAhahahahahahah.
Well something awoke the egg, it might as well have been Hudson. heh which gives me an idea, maybe the egg decided to hang upside down on the wall because the floor was freezing. Hudson was right all along.
I just pissed myself laughing !!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 02:21:31 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 02:21:31 PM
No egg, no awakening on the Sulaco for our survivors- just one on Fiorina 161.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 09:37:41 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 02:00:12 PMSmall arms. The script said they had pulse rifles.
I'd like to know from J C himself what weaponry the colony had access to.
As in the film, it doesn't seem like there was anything other than explosives.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 10:35:55 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 10:35:55 PM
If the Covenant crew brought a farm in the guise of embryos; then surely the Hadley's Hope colony had a farm too. Suddenly thousands of aliens everywhere. However the animal-xeno's are dumb, like the runner alien so the colonist were able to hold them at bay. It wasn't until the human-xeno's started breading did they lose the battle.
It probably was one hell of a first stand to say nothing of the last stand slaughter. Movies to be made.
It probably was one hell of a first stand to say nothing of the last stand slaughter. Movies to be made.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 10:38:25 PM
Movies to be made potentially- just not needlessly setting it at Hadley's Hope.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 10:43:31 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 10:35:55 PM
If the Covenant crew brought a farm in the guise of embryos; then surely the Hadley's Hope colony had a farm too. Suddenly thousands of aliens everywhere. However the animal-xeno's are dumb, like the runner alien so the colonist were able to hold them at bay. It wasn't until the human-xeno's started breading did they lose the battle.
It probably was one hell of a first stand to say nothing of the last stand slaughter. Movies to be made.
Non-movie stuff has mentioned livestock - but there's no evidence in the film. No obvious animal pens, no animal bodies.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2018, 09:37:41 PMQuote from: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 02:00:12 PM
I'd like to know from J C himself what weaponry the colony had access to.
As in the film, it doesn't seem like there was anything other than explosives.
Small arms. The script said they had pulse rifles.
I always thought it was odd that they'd be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as the marines. Although, just because they had pulse rifles doesn't mean they were loaded with explosive-tipped AP rounds.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 11:00:41 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 11:00:41 PM
Possibly older Pulse Rifle models?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 11:36:03 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 11:36:03 PM
Possibly. Also possibly civilian variants of the USCM model. IIRC, there was a model that lacked the grenade launcher. Perhaps it was replaced with a pump action shotgun instead, which would make sense for a civilian weapon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 12:10:23 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 12:10:23 AM
They must have had a small geologist/security team crew who was certified for small arms fire. Which could be non-auto pulse rifles. Although most of the damage appeared to be from seismic charges. Lots of home made weapons and ied's.
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2018, 10:43:31 PMWell there was one live hamster and they didn't even rescue it. :'(Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 25, 2018, 10:35:55 PM
If the Covenant crew brought a farm in the guise of embryos; then surely the Hadley's Hope colony had a farm too. Suddenly thousands of aliens everywhere. However the animal-xeno's are dumb, like the runner alien so the colonist were able to hold them at bay. It wasn't until the human-xeno's started breading did they lose the battle.
It probably was one hell of a first stand to say nothing of the last stand slaughter. Movies to be made.
Non-movie stuff has mentioned livestock - but there's no evidence in the film. No obvious animal pens, no animal bodies.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 26, 2018, 01:01:06 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 26, 2018, 01:01:06 AM
And a wet donut.
And I'm not talking your prom date either.
And I'm not talking your prom date either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2018, 01:56:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2018, 01:56:51 AM
That wet donut was a survivor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 02:01:56 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 02:01:56 AM
Why hasn't anyone told the donuts story. I'm sure it has something to do with a Homer Simpson dude being in charge of safety protocols.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2018, 04:01:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2018, 04:01:10 AM
Al Simpson sure looked like he'd eaten a donut or two in his time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 26, 2018, 04:03:37 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 26, 2018, 04:03:37 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2018, 04:01:10 AM
Al Simpson sure looked like he'd eaten a donut or two in his time.
Are you saying that donut...was Al Simpson? :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2018, 04:06:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 26, 2018, 04:06:03 AM
Or that donut belonged to Al Simpson.
Just watch his scene in Aliens and tell me that he wasn't heading straight for a donut when Lydecker chased him down. Go ahead, I dare you.
Just watch his scene in Aliens and tell me that he wasn't heading straight for a donut when Lydecker chased him down. Go ahead, I dare you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 06:56:22 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 06:56:22 AM
Oh lol I forgot that there was a Simpson in charge. Actually wasn't there a Lydecker and Simpson thread a while back...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 26, 2018, 03:56:36 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 26, 2018, 03:56:36 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
I always thought it was odd that they'd be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as the marines.
Funny that, I always thought it was odd that schoolkids in your country would be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as your marines.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 26, 2018, 09:42:01 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 26, 2018, 09:42:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 26, 2018, 03:56:36 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
I always thought it was odd that they'd be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as the marines.
Funny that, I always thought it was odd that schoolkids in your country would be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as your marines.
It's not even close.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 26, 2018, 11:09:19 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 26, 2018, 11:09:19 PM
They do have a point
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2018, 11:20:23 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 26, 2018, 11:20:23 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 26, 2018, 09:42:01 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 26, 2018, 03:56:36 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
I always thought it was odd that they'd be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as the marines.
Funny that, I always thought it was odd that schoolkids in your country would be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as your marines.
It's not even close.
Yeah it'd depend on how good the marines are at Madden.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 11:39:49 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 26, 2018, 11:39:49 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 26, 2018, 11:20:23 PMOuch, a bit soon, eh. Although it's not that hard to get licenses for state of the art firepower in the US. Lots of mercenary crews here. There had to have been a security team of some sort embedded with the colony. Naturally ex-marine, probably. However military weapons usually only differ in rate of fire and quality of materials. You can get just as good weapons in the civilian market even today. I mean a Volvo works just as good as a bmw to plow over aliens.Quote from: Huggs on Aug 26, 2018, 09:42:01 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Aug 26, 2018, 03:56:36 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 10:45:13 PM
I always thought it was odd that they'd be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as the marines.
Funny that, I always thought it was odd that schoolkids in your country would be armed with the same state-of-the-art firepower as your marines.
It's not even close.
Yeah it'd depend on how good the marines are at Madden.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 27, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 27, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
Why must there have been more than a colonial marshal and a few deputies? I wouldn't be surprised if they had nothing more potent than shotguns either. After all, we're talking about a small town on a planet with no indigenous life.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 27, 2018, 01:52:58 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 27, 2018, 01:52:58 PM
How many Aliens did the colony bag before the Marines showed up?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 27, 2018, 03:33:48 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 27, 2018, 03:33:48 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 27, 2018, 01:01:19 AM
Why must there have been more than a colonial marshal and a few deputies? I wouldn't be surprised if they had nothing more potent than shotguns either. After all, we're talking about a small town on a planet with no indigenous life.
Probably in case the likes of Elgyn and his mateys decided to pitch up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Denton Smalls on Aug 27, 2018, 10:03:13 PM
Post by: Denton Smalls on Aug 27, 2018, 10:03:13 PM
Since it's Weyland-Yutani, and there were at least 6 security officers tagging along to protect the would-be colonists in A:C, there was probably something similar at the Hadley's colony.
There was a small contingent of marines, led by Brackett in the River of Pain novel if that counts.
There was a small contingent of marines, led by Brackett in the River of Pain novel if that counts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 03:42:57 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 03:42:57 AM
There has to be some sort of security team. If just to keep pirates at bay. lol I wonder if they ever checked the jail on Hadley's Hope. I mean there has to be at least one cell for the town drunk. Dudes probably still locked up.
However besmirching the sulaco egg thread this may be... I wonder, just how many aliens got recused from their lives by those juicy colonist?
Anyone got some hard numbers?
However besmirching the sulaco egg thread this may be... I wonder, just how many aliens got recused from their lives by those juicy colonist?
Anyone got some hard numbers?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 28, 2018, 04:25:51 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 28, 2018, 04:25:51 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 03:42:57 AM
There has to be some sort of security team. If just to keep pirates at bay. lol I wonder if they ever checked the jail on Hadley's Hope. I mean there has to be at least one cell for the town drunk. Dudes probably still locked up.
Processor blowing probably made a nice escape hatch for him. Now he's free to rule Acheron as its one and only king and savior. All hail....Bob...Conarsky. Got that kingly ring to it, if I do say so myself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 28, 2018, 04:55:40 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 28, 2018, 04:55:40 AM
Quote from: Denton Smalls on Aug 27, 2018, 10:03:13 PM
Since it's Weyland-Yutani, and there were at least 6 security officers tagging along to protect the would-be colonists in A:C, there was probably something similar at the Hadley's colony.
But that was on a big ship with over 2,000 passengers venturing into the unknown during the early days of extrasolar colonization.
Hadley's Hope was a little old mining town with a population of fewer than 200 people.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 04:58:15 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 04:58:15 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 28, 2018, 04:25:51 AMWell that name would fit with in the alien universe quite nicely. Maybe he makes friends with one of the injured but not dead aliens. Assuming the prison was outside of the immediate blast zone. Ha! They probably made a campfire and Hudson is telling stories such as that one time he tried to hustle some legal secretary chick and pissed himself instead.Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 03:42:57 AM
There has to be some sort of security team. If just to keep pirates at bay. lol I wonder if they ever checked the jail on Hadley's Hope. I mean there has to be at least one cell for the town drunk. Dudes probably still locked up.
Processor blowing probably made a nice escape hatch for him. Now he's free to rule Acheron as its one and only king and savior. All hail....Bob...Conarsky. Got that kingly ring to it, if I do say so myself.
However back on to that alien egg scene in alien 3, let's just cut it and the ox out. Even if some scenes make no sense we still could tweak the audio to fix it.
There were 6 guards for a primary crew of 20... so probably 600 of those 2000 colonist had some form of training in security with 300 being space cops.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 05:11:28 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 05:11:28 AM
QuoteHowever back on to that alien egg scene in alien 3, let's just cut it and the ox out.
They tried that. Didn't test so good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 28, 2018, 11:54:21 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 28, 2018, 11:54:21 AM
Here's your security detail.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 28, 2018, 12:07:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 28, 2018, 12:07:39 PM
If he were in the middle of the hive, he could even say "mosht thingsh in here don't react too well to bulletsh."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
Bond vs Alien?
Quote from: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 05:11:28 AMThe test audiences were wrong. So very wrong. :)QuoteHowever back on to that alien egg scene in alien 3, let's just cut it and the ox out.
They tried that. Didn't test so good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 28, 2018, 12:37:49 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 28, 2018, 12:37:49 PM
They showed an eggless version to a test audience? ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 28, 2018, 02:10:12 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 28, 2018, 02:10:12 PM
I was unaware of that. But it wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 28, 2018, 06:45:38 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Aug 28, 2018, 06:45:38 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
Bond vs Alien?Quote from: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 05:11:28 AMThe test audiences were wrong. So very wrong. :)QuoteHowever back on to that alien egg scene in alien 3, let's just cut it and the ox out.
They tried that. Didn't test so good.
Not Bond.
Outland Connery
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 08:02:18 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Aug 28, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
Bond vs Alien?Quote from: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 05:11:28 AMThe test audiences were wrong. So very wrong. :)QuoteHowever back on to that alien egg scene in alien 3, let's just cut it and the ox out.
They tried that. Didn't test so good.
Not really. The audience was just left asking where the Alien came from. It was more the people making the movie couldn't work out what they wanted to do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 28, 2018, 08:12:22 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 28, 2018, 08:12:22 PM
Yet they failed to choose the lesser evil.
Partially at that point because the film lacked a Director.
Partially at that point because the film lacked a Director.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 28, 2018, 11:13:11 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Aug 28, 2018, 11:13:11 PM
I suppose it depends on how well it is executed, I mean the cold forge is an excellent book, but it doesn't tell you where the Aliens came from. That said, folks were questioning about it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 11:15:50 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 28, 2018, 11:15:50 PM
Cold Forge tells you where they come from by saying they don't know. It's above their paygrade. It isn't just handwaved.
You don't need to know where they come from for the story to work. Alien 3, following Aliens, you kinda do otherwise it's cheating.
You don't need to know where they come from for the story to work. Alien 3, following Aliens, you kinda do otherwise it's cheating.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 01, 2018, 06:33:20 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 01, 2018, 06:33:20 AM
Wait... Is it canon that according to the DLC in A:CM that the bodies were swapped? I'd say spoilers.. But depends if the game is canon or not, and due to the age of the game itself? i dunno.... It's a mess... All of it...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2018, 08:27:04 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2018, 08:27:04 AM
At the time they sold it as official cannon, but it's reception was so miserable they seem to have quietly reneged on that since.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Sep 01, 2018, 10:19:38 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Sep 01, 2018, 10:19:38 AM
That reminds me HuDa, we might need to discuss what we are going to do with the pages that have A:CM information, such as the Hicks page. If A:CM is no longer canon then we should update those pages to reflect that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Sep 01, 2018, 11:36:46 AM
Post by: The Old One on Sep 01, 2018, 11:36:46 AM
R.I.P in non-canon Turk, you vapid contrivance.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 01, 2018, 10:29:37 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 01, 2018, 10:29:37 PM
How can you utter such blasphemy? >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2018, 03:24:41 AM
Post by: SM on Sep 02, 2018, 03:24:41 AM
A:CM hasn't been canon for years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 10, 2018, 09:44:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 10, 2018, 09:44:44 PM
Have we reached consensus yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 10, 2018, 09:50:54 PM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 10, 2018, 09:50:54 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 10, 2018, 09:44:44 PM
Have we reached consensus yet?
You won't reach consensus. You'll be in an old folks' home and you'll still be arguing about this while playing bingo.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 10, 2018, 11:14:24 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 10, 2018, 11:14:24 PM
After 12 years and 163 forum pages later, I'd say no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 10, 2018, 11:46:22 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 10, 2018, 11:46:22 PM
In hindsight Ridley Scott should have put the eggs upside down on the walls in Covenant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2018, 12:17:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2018, 12:17:49 AM
Take it up with Vermillion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 11, 2018, 12:28:13 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 11, 2018, 12:28:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2018, 12:17:49 AM
Take it up with Vermillion.
Still not convinced Vermillion is Scott.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Dec 11, 2018, 12:42:10 AM
Post by: Huggs on Dec 11, 2018, 12:42:10 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Dec 11, 2018, 12:28:13 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2018, 12:17:49 AM
Take it up with Vermillion.
Still not convinced Vermillion is Scott.
It's not Vermillion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2018, 12:43:07 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2018, 12:43:07 AM
Well, it's not Fuchs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 11, 2018, 12:52:16 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 11, 2018, 12:52:16 AM
Android Bishop 2 from Alien3 put them on the Covenant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2018, 08:50:05 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2018, 08:50:05 AM
Bishop dun it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 09:00:04 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 09:00:04 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Dec 10, 2018, 11:46:22 PMIn hindsight Ridley Scott should have put the eggs upside down on the walls in Covenant.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
*Dream on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:15:15 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:15:15 PM
There was no egg on the Sulaco. Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop are all in a deep hyper sleep, dreaming until they get home.
Therefore, only Alien and Aliens are canon.
Therefore, only Alien and Aliens are canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2018, 06:30:38 PM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2018, 06:30:38 PM
Nah. Alien³ is canon.
"I had a terrible dream in hypersleep." -is merely the opening.
"I had a terrible dream in hypersleep." -is merely the opening.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
The beginning to Alien 5 will start with Ripley jumping into the fire at the end of Alien³. Then bam, she wakes up in a cold sweat, just a nightmare, but looks much older now....a nightmare from her past.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
Before Aliens? lol
Neill Blomkamp's Alien V will never exist, thankfully.
Neill Blomkamp's Alien V will never exist, thankfully.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:38:08 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:38:08 PM
Lol had to edit it, but I imagine the sulaco would have dropped her off there cause she's got nowhere to go.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 06:45:58 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 06:45:58 PM
Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:35:42 PMThe beginning to Alien 5 will start with Ripley jumping into the fire at the end of Alien³. Then bam, she wakes up in a cold sweat, just a nightmare.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did go down that route, but I still think it's incredibly lame.
I don't want them to retcon the third film. But if they feel compelled to do it, they should just be up front with it and ignore it completely, like it never existed. None of this lame "It was all a dream!" crap.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2018, 07:09:05 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 11, 2018, 07:09:05 PM
^ Yep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 09:09:49 PM
Post by: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 09:09:49 PM
I would have to see how it played out, but I'm also not an Alien³ lover or hater.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Axe on Dec 11, 2018, 10:39:28 PM
Post by: Axe on Dec 11, 2018, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 28, 2018, 08:12:22 PMThe lesser evil to start Alien 3 would have been leaving the happy family alone and out of business and with the Queen ejected in outer space at the end of Aliens f**king aroundin space 'till she landed on Fury 161, cometing down in flames to the planet in a solid Iron Man style and then shitting eggs all around.
Yet they failed to choose the lesser evil.
Partially at that point because the film lacked a Director.
Hopefully then she would get a retarded alien with 85 iq as a main character going after all other prisoners and bam, new fresh story. Finally.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 12, 2018, 08:47:49 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 12, 2018, 08:47:49 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 06:45:58 PMQuote from: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:35:42 PMThe beginning to Alien 5 will start with Ripley jumping into the fire at the end of Alien³. Then bam, she wakes up in a cold sweat, just a nightmare.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did go down that route, but I still think it's incredibly lame.
I don't want them to retcon the third film. But if they feel compelled to do it, they should just be up front with it and ignore it completely, like it never existed. None of this lame "It was all a dream!" crap.
Yeah...I think I have to agree. As much as I also hate the idea of multiple timelines, I guess we already have it really with the AvPs so I think that would have been the best route.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ on Dec 12, 2018, 11:07:54 AM
Post by: Russ on Dec 12, 2018, 11:07:54 AM
It is lame. But its the only way to be sure. And, thanks too Prometheus (and I think the ADF novels too), these vivid dreams are canon.
Look it sucks - we all agree it sucks. It's a sucky way of fixing the "problem" if you want a seamless Alien 5.
Ignoring it... IDK... maybe. I'd be happier with an allusion to dreams ... I don't even think we need to SEE the Fury 161 dream... just know that she has had it.
But I've really given up on A5 (as envisaged by NB and others - I suspect by the time they got to it, wouldn't Sigourney Weaver be too old to do it? I mean, she was amazing in Daredevil, but this imaginary movie would be like five years down the road, wouldn't it).
Look it sucks - we all agree it sucks. It's a sucky way of fixing the "problem" if you want a seamless Alien 5.
Ignoring it... IDK... maybe. I'd be happier with an allusion to dreams ... I don't even think we need to SEE the Fury 161 dream... just know that she has had it.
But I've really given up on A5 (as envisaged by NB and others - I suspect by the time they got to it, wouldn't Sigourney Weaver be too old to do it? I mean, she was amazing in Daredevil, but this imaginary movie would be like five years down the road, wouldn't it).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2018, 11:18:01 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2018, 11:18:01 AM
"It was all a dream" sucks balls.
Just ignore 3 and Resurrection like Superman Returns did.
Just ignore 3 and Resurrection like Superman Returns did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Kurgan on Dec 12, 2018, 11:22:43 AM
Post by: The Kurgan on Dec 12, 2018, 11:22:43 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2018, 11:18:01 AM
"It was all a dream" sucks balls.
Just ignore 3 and Resurrection like Superman Returns did.
This. If you want to ignore it, just do it. Many franchises did it, people will get it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 12, 2018, 12:10:41 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Dec 12, 2018, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 11, 2018, 06:45:58 PMI'm all for saying Alien 3 was the ultimate cover up. Filmed on location. The upside down mutant egg on the Sulaco? A f**king prop error by some poor sap who was executed via an open airlock. No witnesses. Damn this isn't the plot of ACM is it... meh still better than a dream hand waving.Quote from: DerelictShip on Dec 11, 2018, 06:35:42 PMThe beginning to Alien 5 will start with Ripley jumping into the fire at the end of Alien³. Then bam, she wakes up in a cold sweat, just a nightmare.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did go down that route, but I still think it's incredibly lame.
I don't want them to retcon the third film. But if they feel compelled to do it, they should just be up front with it and ignore it completely, like it never existed. None of this lame "It was all a dream!" crap.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2019, 10:47:17 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2019, 10:47:17 PM
Maybe we should revisit the royal jelly theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 10:53:42 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 10:53:42 PM
If there wasn't a shot of an egg on Alien 3 this wouldn't be much of an issue. Remove that shot and we would have just a facehugger instead. The royal facehugger could have taken a ride on the Queen and thus to the Sulaco. It would be easier to bring along than an egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
^
In one version there wasn't.
&
In one version there wasn't.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 06:01:10 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 25, 2018, 05:55:45 AM
So the idea is that a facehugger leapt off the dropship and scurried away to find a safe hidey-hole so it could stalk its prey later?
You nailed it.
&
Quote from: The Old One on Dec 11, 2018, 06:30:38 PM
"I had a terrible dream in hypersleep." -The Opening
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 11:18:08 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 11:18:08 PM
I suppose one could say then why didn't the facehugger attack someone right away, well in AVP2 a lone facehugger is smart enough to look for hosts that are isolated from others + the genetic memory thing, the aliens at LV-426 are aware that the humans can try to remove a facehugger from the host, having seen the colonists do it, so it wouldn't try to impregnate someone while the other humans were present.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 11:19:32 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 11:19:32 PM
Wait in the vents until they're asleep, bingo- ship's certainly big enough to hide in.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 16, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
It makes more sense for it just jump on someone right away. Hicks was just there on the dropship alone and unprotected.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 11:33:24 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 16, 2019, 11:33:24 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 25, 2018, 04:50:20 AM
The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.
Or the Queen commanded them, as a genetic backup- hence one of them being a (potential) Queen Facehugger in the first place.
After E.R's experiences,
I don't believe anything else.
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It's exactly what I've stated multiple times now; it was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
There, done- finito.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 11:37:02 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 16, 2019, 11:37:02 PM
Then Ripley and Bishop would have done something about it when they found Hicks. They could only freeze him at the moment, but the facehugger could think they had more tools or whatever. If it had attacked right away, the events on Alien 3 wouldn't happen, so the others would have made it back to Earth, remove it maybe and the aliens would lose.
Maybe royal facehuggers are a little different, more cautious. We don't know how facehuggers behave with the other aliens, the Queen could have told it to standby.
Maybe royal facehuggers are a little different, more cautious. We don't know how facehuggers behave with the other aliens, the Queen could have told it to standby.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Feb 18, 2019, 10:22:05 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Feb 18, 2019, 10:22:05 AM
Basically they could cut the eggs out on the opening and the plot would still make sense? Escaped facehuggers!?!! o0ooohh spooky :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 18, 2019, 10:25:32 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 18, 2019, 10:25:32 AM
Indeed.
Then Special Edition Opening +
I believe this is important because it's as The Fifth Element would say;
A little light of life, it's a moment of hope the film desperately needs.
The descent between the prisoners reminds me of the
"Parker. Shut up!" scene in Alien, in regards to how they
could possibly kill the Alien. You could take it or leave it.
But I wouldn't leave it.
"I was violated. And now I get to be mother of the year."
In addition to what I said earlier on this scene,
it raises the stakes because the implication is that
if this thing gets off Fiorina 161- not Earth,
not humanity, but all life, is at stake-
"wipe out the whole universe" & I believe it,
because this is Sigourney Weaver's best performance.
"This is as good a place as any to take our first steps to Heaven".
The extended speech and score is superior, no explanation required.
Before the chase & bait begins,
there's several tiny scenes showing how the different prisoners
react to their situation, I think that's fairly appropriate-
to get you aqquainted with where everyone is in the tunnels.
Rather than one scene of David criticising the plan.
Although- why not both?
"I think I've found Vincent!"
Speaks for itself doesn't it? lol
Mysterious Mark Vincent.
"Improvising!"
Not necessary but love this scene.
Especially Ripley's reaction.
"And then it's over."
"I'm not a droid!"
"No pictures!"
Included for obvious reasons.
I believe Ripley would pause for contemplation,
so I prefer her death in the AC-
although I think the "You're crazy." Line is... eh.
No chestburster
but no bad slo-mo.
More graceful fall in a cross position.
In tune with the film's thematics.
*Patch the "mo-motion" composites.
Alien³ The Final Cut
Then Special Edition Opening +
Spoiler
I believe this is important because it's as The Fifth Element would say;
A little light of life, it's a moment of hope the film desperately needs.
The descent between the prisoners reminds me of the
"Parker. Shut up!" scene in Alien, in regards to how they
could possibly kill the Alien. You could take it or leave it.
But I wouldn't leave it.
"I was violated. And now I get to be mother of the year."
In addition to what I said earlier on this scene,
it raises the stakes because the implication is that
if this thing gets off Fiorina 161- not Earth,
not humanity, but all life, is at stake-
"wipe out the whole universe" & I believe it,
because this is Sigourney Weaver's best performance.
"This is as good a place as any to take our first steps to Heaven".
The extended speech and score is superior, no explanation required.
Before the chase & bait begins,
there's several tiny scenes showing how the different prisoners
react to their situation, I think that's fairly appropriate-
to get you aqquainted with where everyone is in the tunnels.
Rather than one scene of David criticising the plan.
Although- why not both?
"I think I've found Vincent!"
Speaks for itself doesn't it? lol
Mysterious Mark Vincent.
"Improvising!"
Not necessary but love this scene.
Especially Ripley's reaction.
"And then it's over."
"I'm not a droid!"
"No pictures!"
Included for obvious reasons.
I believe Ripley would pause for contemplation,
so I prefer her death in the AC-
although I think the "You're crazy." Line is... eh.
No chestburster
but no bad slo-mo.
More graceful fall in a cross position.
In tune with the film's thematics.
*Patch the "mo-motion" composites.
Alien³ The Final Cut
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 20, 2019, 04:09:06 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 20, 2019, 04:09:06 AM
Psssst! ... It's a mystery. As in, the answer isn't given because they want it to remain a mystery. It's not important to the plot because the alien represents Ripley's guilt in the 3rd film. Vincent Ward explains his decision to leave it ambiguous this way, in the documentary on A3 on the Anthology.
In the future, perhaps we will discover that maybe David put it there.
In the future, perhaps we will discover that maybe David put it there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:09:52 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:09:52 AM
No, it's not a mystery.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 20, 2019, 04:15:07 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 20, 2019, 04:15:07 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:09:52 AM
No, it's not a mystery.
This entire thread is proof that it's appearance implied mysterious circumstances. At the very least, it was deliberately left ambiguous, as per Ward's description (ie; its a mystery).
The prequels have further made it's appearance a plausible conspiracy, although I always assumed it would have been explained as a company conspiracy, or as some escaped Hadley's Hope nut or something.
The more specific allusion its inclusion tried to achieve, was turn Ripley into the Virgin Mary for the Alien. This theme was further driven home by the events with Shaw in Prometheus and David in Covenant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:23:10 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:23:10 AM
True, but...
Mystery Solved.
Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
[close]
Mystery Solved.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 11:51:20 AM
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 11:51:20 AM
There's no mystery. It's a plot hole, which defenders of the movie try to explain by letting their fantasies run wild and then present it as some kind of fact.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2019, 12:10:59 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2019, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 11:51:20 AMIt's a plot hole, which defenders of the movie try to explain by letting their fantasies run wild and then present it as some kind of fact.
I'm a defender of Alien 3, and I've never once tried to argue there's a logical explanation for the egg. In fact, I've argued the opposite.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 02:44:55 PM
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2019, 12:10:59 PMQuote from: P-Rock on Feb 20, 2019, 11:51:20 AMIt's a plot hole, which defenders of the movie try to explain by letting their fantasies run wild and then present it as some kind of fact.
I'm a defender of Alien 3, and I've never once tried to argue there's a logical explanation for the egg. In fact, I've argued the opposite.
I didn't say 'all'.
It's a fact though that people who generally like/love the movie are more inclined to come up with some sort of alternative fact to explain the presence of the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:21:20 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:21:20 PM
I'm not presenting a fan explanation. I'm presenting the IRL reason from the shooting script.
The 'Terrible dream in cryosleep.' statement is how I'm able to overlook the mistake within the context of the narrative however.
The 'Terrible dream in cryosleep.' statement is how I'm able to overlook the mistake within the context of the narrative however.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 04:29:16 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 04:29:16 PM
What if it pulled event horizon, and the Sulaco became self-aware and did it itself?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:34:36 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:34:36 PM
:laugh: I don't know why you'd set yourself on fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 04:35:54 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:34:36 PM
:laugh: I don't know why you'd set yourself on fire.
The egg! ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:39:06 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:39:06 PM
There is no egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 04:40:25 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 04:40:25 PM
What was said, was for me and me alone .
I believe.
I believe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 04:16:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 04:16:41 AM
Does this mean we've achieved consensus? Is everyone ready to accept my ooze theory?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 04:26:16 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 04:26:16 AM
Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:22:36 AM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 04:16:41 AM
Does this mean we've achieved consensus? Is everyone ready to accept my ooze theory?
You mean that Queen had put some kind of ooze on Sulaco that eventually turned into the egg? I can accept it.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:39:06 PM
There is no egg.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQGc4gEeoR0oA_ctRw6F-RgOZ2pOkeyYzwlu_4JgZuqhAtLCfyq
There is egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 09:28:09 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 09:28:09 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:22:36 AMYou mean that Queen had put some kind of ooze on Sulaco that eventually turned into the egg?
Da.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:28:50 AM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:28:50 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 09:28:09 AMQuote from: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:22:36 AMYou mean that Queen had put some kind of ooze on Sulaco that eventually turned into the egg?
Da.
Stop using Google translator on me! :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
ЗдесЬ нет яйца.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:39:41 AM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
ЗдесЬ нет яйца.
Нет, оно есть!!!! Аргххххх!!!!!
Инженеры это Космические Жокеи! Дэвид создал ксеноморфа! Инопланетный корабль на Lv-426 разбился совсем недавно! Элизабет Шоу как персонаж лучше чем Рипли! Лучшие фильмы во всей франшизе это Воскрешение, Чужой против Хищника, Рэквием и Прометей!
Чужие отстой! Прометей лучше Чужих! Камерон - отстой! Ридли Скотт - спаситель фильмов о Чужом и вообще Царь и Бог!
Дизайн хищников в Чужой против Хищника лучше чем дизайн в Хищнике! ADI превзошли Стэна Уинстона!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 10:03:53 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 04:16:41 AM
Does this mean we've achieved consensus? Is everyone ready to accept my ooze theory?
Anyone kept track of how many theories we've come up with in the 166(!) pages this thread has ploughed on for?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:39:41 AMэта была шутка, мои друг! :D
Нет, оно есть!!!! Аргххххх!!!!!
Инженеры это Космические Жокеи! Дэвид создал ксеноморфа! Инопланетный корабль на Lv-426 разбился совсем недавно! Элизабет Шоу как персонаж лучше чем Рипли! Лучшие фильмы во всей франшизе это Воскрешение, Чужой против Хищника, Рэквием и Прометей!
Чужие отстой! Прометей лучше Чужих! Камерон - отстой! Ридли Скотт - спаситель фильмов о Чужом и вообще Царь и Бог!
Дизайн хищников в Чужой против Хищника лучше чем дизайн в Хищнике! ADI превзошли Стэна Уинстона!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StayFrosty on Feb 24, 2019, 10:27:52 AM
Post by: StayFrosty on Feb 24, 2019, 10:27:52 AM
If all the films are canon, I'm now saying it definitely had to have been the droid.
Look at Prometheus and A:C. The movies show that androids are pure evil.
Why should Bishop have been the only non-evil android?
Why would Bishop go beyond following the company's orders? We all know the company wanted the alien. Bishop would be programmed to follow the company's orders. And he did not *directly* harm any people, just as he said he wouldn't.
I know there are still problems in this theory, but I do think it makes a lot more sense, even if traditional lovers of 'Aliens' don't like it.
Look at Prometheus and A:C. The movies show that androids are pure evil.
Why should Bishop have been the only non-evil android?
Why would Bishop go beyond following the company's orders? We all know the company wanted the alien. Bishop would be programmed to follow the company's orders. And he did not *directly* harm any people, just as he said he wouldn't.
I know there are still problems in this theory, but I do think it makes a lot more sense, even if traditional lovers of 'Aliens' don't like it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 10:29:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: StayFrosty on Feb 24, 2019, 10:27:52 AMHe came after the "evil" droids. Assuming there was no change in legislation is less realistic than assuming people were allowed to continue unabated.
Why should Bishop have been the only non-evil android?
QuoteWhy would Bishop go beyond following the company's orders?He wasn't company property; he was with the marines and the ECA, not Weyland Yutani.
His program also said "by omission of action allow to come to harm." Placing eggs on the Sulaco would allow people to come to harm.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 10:49:15 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 10:49:15 AM
As well as the obvious logistical problems, having Bishop do it would ruin his whole character arc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 11:38:44 AM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 11:38:44 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 10:25:38 AMQuote from: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:39:41 AMэта была шутка, мои друг! :D
Нет, оно есть!!!! Аргххххх!!!!!
Инженеры это Космические Жокеи! Дэвид создал ксеноморфа! Инопланетный корабль на Lv-426 разбился совсем недавно! Элизабет Шоу как персонаж лучше чем Рипли! Лучшие фильмы во всей франшизе это Воскрешение, Чужой против Хищника, Рэквием и Прометей!
Чужие отстой! Прометей лучше Чужих! Камерон - отстой! Ридли Скотт - спаситель фильмов о Чужом и вообще Царь и Бог!
Дизайн хищников в Чужой против Хищника лучше чем дизайн в Хищнике! ADI превзошли Стэна Уинстона!
Я тоже шутил, если что. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 24, 2019, 11:40:55 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 24, 2019, 11:40:55 AM
Movie came out in 1992
27 years later and a handful of available data later (it's a rushed insert shot, put together MUCH later than the rest of production) people still be discussing over this minute continuity error/dream element whatever
the suggestion that 'Bishop did it' in particular is complete, utter wank.
27 years later and a handful of available data later (it's a rushed insert shot, put together MUCH later than the rest of production) people still be discussing over this minute continuity error/dream element whatever
the suggestion that 'Bishop did it' in particular is complete, utter wank.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 04:26:16 AM^^^ this is all that needs to be said on the matter.Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 24, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 24, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Yep, a simple edit to the film that removes the egg shot is all that's needed to fix the greatest part of the issue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 06:55:42 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 06:55:42 PM
Thank you Omegamorph
When we reach page 168, make my post the on the matter the "first" post on that page and lock the goddamn thread.
When we reach page 168, make my post the on the matter the "first" post on that page and lock the goddamn thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:15:28 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:15:28 PM
This thread must remain open until we reach consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:26:12 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:39:41 AMQuote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
ЗдесЬ нет яйца.
Нет, оно есть!!!! Аргххххх!!!!!
Инженеры это Космические Жокеи! Дэвид создал ксеноморфа! Инопланетный корабль на Lv-426 разбился совсем недавно! Элизабет Шоу как персонаж лучше чем Рипли! Лучшие фильмы во всей франшизе это Воскрешение, Чужой против Хищника, Рэквием и Прометей!
Чужие отстой! Прометей лучше Чужих! Камерон - отстой! Ридли Скотт - спаситель фильмов о Чужом и вообще Царь и Бог!
Дизайн хищников в Чужой против Хищника лучше чем дизайн в Хищнике! ADI превзошли Стэна Уинстона!
Я получил мигрень, читая это. Боже мой.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:32:40 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:32:40 PM
This is Egg on Sulaco, not Egg on Rodina.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 07:34:59 PM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 07:34:59 PM
I hate to say it, Old One, but Local will 99% most likely have the last post on this dead horse thread.
Just sayin'.
Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
SM will outlast us all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
I picked "The Old One" for a reason, I'll Highlander you motherf**kers if necessary. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
Not to derail your, uh...
...thing. ;)
But I haven't posted in this thread yet and would like to ask if anyone has brought up the idea of facehuggers (not eggs) sneaking on-board the Sulaco, possibly latched onto the queen as she was escaping the nest?
...thing. ;)
But I haven't posted in this thread yet and would like to ask if anyone has brought up the idea of facehuggers (not eggs) sneaking on-board the Sulaco, possibly latched onto the queen as she was escaping the nest?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:45:49 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:45:49 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:46:36 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:46:36 PM
And what was the consensus? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:48:07 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:48:07 PM
It's not a bad idea, but it still doesn't explain the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:48:14 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
Not to derail your, uh...
...thing. ;)
But I haven't posted in this thread yet and would like to ask if anyone has brought up the idea of facehuggers (not eggs) sneaking on-board the Sulaco, possibly latched onto the queen as she was escaping the nest?
The truth?
Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
AKA- The Opening's a dream.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:51:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:51:20 PM
She's, um...tenacious.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:51:48 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:51:48 PM
The truth is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
Gotta polish my reading glasses. I completely glossed over that part. :laugh:
...yeah. A simple egg-shot removal would have saved a lot of headaches.
...yeah. A simple egg-shot removal would have saved a lot of headaches.
Spoiler
In retrospect, "egg-shot" might be a contender for weirdest word combination I've used on this forum so far.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:53:09 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:53:09 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:57:40 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 07:57:40 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 08:06:15 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
Not to derail your, uh...
...thing. ;)
But I haven't posted in this thread yet and would like to ask if anyone has brought up the idea of facehuggers (not eggs) sneaking on-board the Sulaco, possibly latched onto the queen as she was escaping the nest?
Yeah, a couple of facehuggers latched on to her. I think Hudson, Simpson and Lydecker all jumped on for the ride too. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 08:08:18 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 08:08:18 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 08:06:15 PMQuote from: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
Not to derail your, uh...
...thing. ;)
But I haven't posted in this thread yet and would like to ask if anyone has brought up the idea of facehuggers (not eggs) sneaking on-board the Sulaco, possibly latched onto the queen as she was escaping the nest?
Yeah, a couple of facehuggers latched on to her. I think Hudson, Simpson and Lydecker all jumped on for the ride too. ;)
::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
Indeed DM.
It was with us all the way.
It was with us all the way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 08:29:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 08:29:16 PM
You mean the egg?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2017, 07:40:48 PMWas it this? :laugh:Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2014, 12:12:44 AMThe egg grew out of Bishop's torso inside his cryotube. Ostensibly, this was due to being contaminated with genetic material when the queen impaled him. Later on, the Anchorpoint scientists were able to culture scrapings of the same material from his lower half and clone alien eggs from that.
My personal spin on the Gibson origin, which appears to be the script that pre-dated them all, is that this genetic material oozed into the subflooring of the Sulaco's landing bay where it congealed, then grew slowly out of the floor itself and into the strange position where we saw it after it hatched.
Turns out, even the WYR supports this theory somewhat...Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AM
When you fact-checked the WYR, surely you came across this excerpt on page 125:QuoteThe other, more likely, theory posits that the queen deposited a resinous egg sac in the landing gear of the dropship, or flung some amount of egg-forming material from her body once the ship was back on board the Sulaco.
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it).
Most importantly, SM no longer rules it out as a possibility (although he remains skeptical, but that's par for the course with him).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2019, 08:41:25 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 24, 2019, 08:41:25 PM
I am not Alpha and Omega of good ideas.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 08:43:25 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 08:43:25 PM
Ok, so to summarise the last 168(!) pages, I think the main theories on this seem to be:
1. Ooze
2. Stowaway facehugger(s)
3. It was all a dream
4. Bishop did it
Have I missed any?
1. Ooze
2. Stowaway facehugger(s)
3. It was all a dream
4. Bishop did it
Have I missed any?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 08:48:10 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 08:43:25 PMPatched.
Ok, so to summarise the last 168(!) pages, I think the main theories on this seem to be:
1. Ooze
2. Bishop did it
Have I missed any?
Facts:
1. The Egg itself was a dream/nightmare of Ellen Ripley, in the reality of the fiction it was stowaway Facehugger(s) which caused the events of Alien³.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2019, 08:41:25 PM
I am not Alpha and Omega of good ideas.
But you have veto power.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 08:55:46 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 08:55:46 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 08:48:10 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 08:43:25 PMPatched.
Ok, so to summarise the last 168(!) pages, I think the main theories on this seem to be:
1. Ooze
2. Bishop did it
3. Stowaways.
Have I missed any?
Facts:
1. The Egg itself was a dream/nightmare of Ellen Ripley, in the reality of the fiction it was stowaway Facehugger(s) which caused the events of Alien³.
Patched.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
So many patches... ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
Bethesda would be terrified of this thread. ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:03:20 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:03:20 PM
:'( Poor Bethesda.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 09:03:48 PM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 24, 2019, 09:03:48 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
Bethesda would be terrified of this thread. ::)
Everyone on this website is terrified of this thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:04:50 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:04:50 PM
It's the TurokSWE situation all over again, the facts are there- just they're being refused to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 09:07:07 PM
Post by: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:03:20 PM
:'( Poor Bethesda.
*the longest, most exaggerated, sarcastic yawn I can physically muster*
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 24, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
Bethesda would be terrified of this thread. ::)
This thread is a freaking force of nature! Think it will still be going strong long after we're all gone and forgotten. :) Makes a nice change tbh, most forums I frequent are much quieter these days because people seem to prefer the immediacy of social media to actually having a decent debate...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:12:22 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:09:46 PM
Social media is cancerous.
On that at least, we can agree :) 👍
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:19:02 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:19:02 PM
I'm generally referring to sites like Facebook, but there is good stuff out there.
Unfortunately, the good generally gets drowned by the bad. I've sent quite a few examples of people using the internet for good, just often it gets drowned out by the masses of ignorant troglodytes.
Unfortunately, the good generally gets drowned by the bad. I've sent quite a few examples of people using the internet for good, just often it gets drowned out by the masses of ignorant troglodytes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:26:13 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2019, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:19:02 PM
I'm generally referring to sites like Facebook, but there is good stuff out there.
Unfortunately, the good generally gets drowned by the bad. I've seen quite a few examples of people using the internet for good, just often it gets drowned out by the masses of ignorant troglodytes.
Social media can be a great thing if used right. Unfortunately it also gives a voice to a seemingly ever growing number of complete morons.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:29:22 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:29:22 PM
Bishop did it.
No F'ing Royal Jelly.
No Extra Facehugger Egg Carriers.
No Egg Morphed Bishop limps.
No Skull too.
No F'ing Royal Jelly.
No Extra Facehugger Egg Carriers.
No Egg Morphed Bishop limps.
No Skull too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:30:43 PM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:30:43 PM
Verm is back, guys! Get him! :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:19 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:19 PM
This thread was sure to drag him back in eventually.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:37:45 PM
It pinged me when it was revived. Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:40:02 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:29:22 PM
Bishop did it.
No F'ing Royal Jelly.
No Extra Facehugger Egg Carriers.
No Egg Morphed Bishop limps.
No Skull too.
Nu-uh.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Feb 24, 2019, 11:40:55 AM
The suggestion that 'Bishop did it' in particular is complete, utter wank.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:43:19 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:43:19 PM
Dropped Ripley.
Descended Drop ship to lower level.
Grabbed a few while Ripley hunter for Newt.
When Ripley came back to platform...dropship not there.
Then it ascends from below. Hmmm
Alien3. It was always with us.
Lol. He knew the eggs were there. Unscrupulous Artificial person.
Next.
Descended Drop ship to lower level.
Grabbed a few while Ripley hunter for Newt.
When Ripley came back to platform...dropship not there.
Then it ascends from below. Hmmm
Alien3. It was always with us.
Lol. He knew the eggs were there. Unscrupulous Artificial person.
Next.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
Consensus Reached, Page 170.
Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:46:19 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 24, 2019, 09:46:19 PM
Oh I like the Alien3 is only a dream. 100%
I'd buy everyone here drinks if they'd all agree to that! :)
I'd buy everyone here drinks if they'd all agree to that! :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:47:01 PM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:47:01 PM
I'm gonna upset you a little. There is no possibility for consensus. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
The consensus is solidified: Reply #2535
::)
Aliens The Original DH Series
Alien III (Eric Red)
Alien III (David Twohy)
Alien III (Vincent Ward)
Alien III (William Gibson)
Alien Red Harvest
(Neill Blomkamp)
Dreams? Yes.
Ridley Scott's Alien,
James Cameron's Aliens,
David Fincher's Alien³ ?
Canon.
::)
Aliens The Original DH Series
Alien III (Eric Red)
Alien III (David Twohy)
Alien III (Vincent Ward)
Alien III (William Gibson)
Alien Red Harvest
(Neill Blomkamp)
Dreams? Yes.
Ridley Scott's Alien,
James Cameron's Aliens,
David Fincher's Alien³ ?
Canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 09:52:57 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 09:52:57 PM
Now I'm hearing Legion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:54:29 PM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 24, 2019, 09:54:29 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
The consensus is solidified: Reply #2535
::)
Aliens The Original DH Series
Alien III (Eric Red)
Alien III (David Twohy)
Alien III (Vincent Ward)
Alien III (William Gibson)
Alien Red Harvest
(Neill Blomkamp)
Dreams? Yes.
Ridley Scott's Alien,
James Cameron's Aliens,
David Fincher's Alien³ ?
Canon.
Oh, my bad. I thought this topic was about mysterious egg but not about what's canon and what isn't. I meant, that in terms of the egg there's no possibility for consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 24, 2019, 10:00:06 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 24, 2019, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 07:15:28 PMyou're tempting me mate
This thread must remain open until we reach consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 10:01:12 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 10:01:12 PM
The Aliens Ending/Alien³ Opening Consensus is achieved though, Reply #2535.
I am Legion, for we are many.
I am Legion, for we are many.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 10:02:34 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 10:02:34 PM
Ooze theory is the only one supported by the WYR.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
Incorrect.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 11:47:27 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 11:47:27 PM
Perhaps you just haven't thought it through long enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 11:54:28 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 11:54:28 PM
Extranet data sources. Insecure broadcasts. All organic data sent is received.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 12:04:20 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 12:04:20 AM
Extract from something I wrote about the start of Alien 3 for AbsoluteAvP in 2003.
QuoteAnd another take on this whole sequence is it could be from one or multiple characters perspectives and as these characters are all sleeping, the events can take on a disjointed and dreamlike quality.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 12:58:28 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 12:58:28 AM
"Every point of view is useful, even those that are wrong... if we can judge why a wrong view was accepted."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2019, 02:07:41 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2019, 02:07:41 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 12:04:20 AM
Extract from something I wrote about the start of Alien 3 for AbsoluteAvP in 2003.QuoteAnd another take on this whole sequence is it could be from one or multiple characters perspectives and as these characters are all sleeping, the events can take on a disjointed and dreamlike quality.
I've got a post brewing on the whole dream scenario that is probably far too long and meandering for this time of night... ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 25, 2019, 02:33:40 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 25, 2019, 02:33:40 AM
It's good to be back
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 03:31:41 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 03:31:41 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2019, 02:07:41 AMQuote from: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 12:04:20 AM
Extract from something I wrote about the start of Alien 3 for AbsoluteAvP in 2003.QuoteAnd another take on this whole sequence is it could be from one or multiple characters perspectives and as these characters are all sleeping, the events can take on a disjointed and dreamlike quality.
I've got a post brewing on the whole dream scenario that is probably far too long and meandering for this time of night... ;D
The thing I extracted that from is 2,210 words.
It's never too late for meandering.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 03:55:36 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 03:55:36 AM
Mhm.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2019, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2019, 08:41:00 AM
Oh God. I log in today and there's eight more pages in this thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 09:06:57 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2019, 08:41:00 AM
Oh God. I log in today and there's eight more pages in this thread.
And it's exactly the same as the 163 pages before.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 09:10:25 AM
22 (+) [REDACTED] replies...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 25, 2019, 01:54:28 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Feb 25, 2019, 01:54:28 PM
Like literally Fox, just shelf out an edit of the movie without the shot of the egg. At the end of Aliens we hear a facehugger. With that, we can lay this thread to rest. Either that or someone get Fincher to say that the opening was all a dream.
This thread will bring about the end of day, I can feel it.
This thread will bring about the end of day, I can feel it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 04:23:35 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 04:23:35 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 03:31:41 AM
The thing I extracted that from is 2,210 words.
It's never too late for meandering.
When can we see the rest of it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 25, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 25, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
After all these years, I can just accept that the Queen planted the egg, most likely in the Dropship or possibly in the hangar.
Her eggsack was gone, but she still had one left inside her womb, or whatever you'd call it.
The location of the egg doesn't match anything seen in Aliens, but neither do the cryotubes. Those are just aesthetic differences that don't need explanation.
After hatching, the Facehugger tried to get Newt, failed, got injured, and bled acid causing the fire.
A bolt exploded and knocked a hole in Ripley's tube, allowing the hugger to get her.
This hugger, Royal or not, was capable of planting a second seed. It hitched a ride on the eev and got the dog.
And that's all there is to it. We don't need stowaway facehuggers or a compromised Bishop. It can all be taken literally; nothing in the opening sequence has to be a dream.
Her eggsack was gone, but she still had one left inside her womb, or whatever you'd call it.
The location of the egg doesn't match anything seen in Aliens, but neither do the cryotubes. Those are just aesthetic differences that don't need explanation.
After hatching, the Facehugger tried to get Newt, failed, got injured, and bled acid causing the fire.
A bolt exploded and knocked a hole in Ripley's tube, allowing the hugger to get her.
This hugger, Royal or not, was capable of planting a second seed. It hitched a ride on the eev and got the dog.
And that's all there is to it. We don't need stowaway facehuggers or a compromised Bishop. It can all be taken literally; nothing in the opening sequence has to be a dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 25, 2019, 05:24:50 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 25, 2019, 05:24:50 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 09:06:57 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2019, 08:41:00 AM
Oh God. I log in today and there's eight more pages in this thread.
And it's exactly the same as the 163 pages before.
Why mess with a good thing?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:34:06 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:34:06 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 25, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
After all these years, I can just accept that the Queen planted the egg, most likely in the Dropship or possibly in the hangar.
Her eggsack was gone, but she still had one left inside her womb, or whatever you'd call it.
The location of the egg doesn't match anything seen in Aliens, but neither do the cryotubes. Those are just aesthetic differences that don't need explanation.
After hatching, the Facehugger tried to get Newt, failed, got injured, and bled acid causing the fire.
A bolt exploded and knocked a hole in Ripley's tube, allowing the hugger to get her.
This hugger, Royal or not, was capable of planting a second seed. It hitched a ride on the eev and got the dog.
And that's all there is to it. We don't need stowaway facehuggers or a compromised Bishop. It can all be taken literally; nothing in the opening sequence has to be a dream.
(Pathogen wasn't in the creative ballpark in 1986 or 1992, so we know it wasn't anything like that, there's no indication. None. Bishop doing it is complete bullshit and not only nullifies his character arc but isn't consistent with his character in either Aliens or Alien³- nor does it make sense considering Michael Bishop, a human is very obviously his evil reflection.)
As for there being a genuine Egg on the Sulaco not only is that not true, as per the shooting script- additionally the Egg is immobile so someone would've found it. Dropship or Cryobay- It doesn't make sense.
So with all the above being impossible, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
The truth is @Reply #2535
No more theories or replies are necessary until a new version of the film comes out that changes something.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2019, 06:35:25 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 25, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
After all these years, I can just accept that the Queen planted the egg, most likely in the Dropship or possibly in the hangar.
Her eggsack was gone, but she still had one left inside her womb, or whatever you'd call it.
The location of the egg doesn't match anything seen in Aliens, but neither do the cryotubes. Those are just aesthetic differences that don't need explanation.
After hatching, the Facehugger tried to get Newt, failed, got injured, and bled acid causing the fire.
A bolt exploded and knocked a hole in Ripley's tube, allowing the hugger to get her.
This hugger, Royal or not, was capable of planting a second seed. It hitched a ride on the eev and got the dog.
And that's all there is to it. We don't need stowaway facehuggers or a compromised Bishop. It can all be taken literally; nothing in the opening sequence has to be a dream.
Which would require us to believe that hardened survivor Ripley, having survived two encounters with the aliens and fully aware of their tendency to pop up when/where you don't expect them, to not take 5 minutes to check the one place there could possibly be an egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
Indeed. Reply #2535 is
The one logical conclusion.
The one logical conclusion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
Which also is why I think it grew from a blob of goo into an egg after Ripley entered hypersleep. In the hangar bay sub-flooring. Not the dropship landing gear.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
Which also is why I think it grew from a blob of goo into an egg after Ripley entered hypersleep. In the hangar bay sub-flooring. Not the dropship landing gear.
So nonsense Deus ex machina never once hinted at in the prior two films? No.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 06:57:48 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 06:57:48 PM
I'm afraid so.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:59:54 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:59:54 PM
No, incorrect.
#2535 is
The one logical conclusion.
Edit: Although, excellent theory. ↓
#2535 is
The one logical conclusion.
Edit: Although, excellent theory. ↓
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
I still like to think the eggs and ovipositor jelly initially form inside the queen's body.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 08:13:16 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
I still like to think the eggs and ovipositor jelly initially form inside the queen's body.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.
Going by an earlier draft of Alien 3, one of the signs that Ripley is carrying a Queen is that the scan shows thousands of microscopic eggs inside it.
Meaning the Queen is born with every egg she's going to lay, which is why I think LT's micro egg theory has some merit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 08:14:33 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2019, 08:14:33 PM
Which draft was that, BTW?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 08:24:47 PM
Post by: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 08:24:47 PM
Rex Pickett Jan 5 1991.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2019, 08:43:04 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2019, 08:43:04 AM
I've had to delete a good handful of posts from the thread for reasons. For those of you whose posts have been removed, I'm sorry about that but I couldn't tidy it up any better to do what I needed to do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 26, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 26, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
"The Almighty and Distinguished Evil Dictator" always knows what's better for us. Always.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 26, 2019, 01:20:44 PM
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 26, 2019, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2019, 08:13:16 PMQuote from: David's Creation on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
I still like to think the eggs and ovipositor jelly initially form inside the queen's body.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.
Going by an earlier draft of Alien 3, one of the signs that Ripley is carrying a Queen is that the scan shows thousands of microscopic eggs inside it.
Meaning the Queen is born with every egg she's going to lay, which is why I think LT's micro egg theory has some merit.
I don't think it does, as these early drafts haven't been used and therefore aren't considered canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 26, 2019, 02:12:32 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 26, 2019, 02:12:32 PM
QuoteAs for there being a genuine Egg on the Sulaco not only is that not true, as per the shooting script
Whatever the shooting script says, the film is the final product, and there is clearly an egg there.
Taken in context, Ripley's line that she had a terrible dream in hypersleep was just meant to get Clemens off her back about Newt. There's no definitive indication that what we saw wasn't real.
Removing the egg wouldn't change a lot either. You still have an alien presence aboard the Sulaco that wasn't there at the end of Aliens.
QuoteWhich would require us to believe that hardened survivor Ripley, having survived two encounters with the aliens and fully aware of their tendency to pop up when/where you don't expect them, to not take 5 minutes to check the one place there could possibly be an egg
Make no mistake, I still think the whole thing is bull***t. I wasn't addressing if it should've happened, but how it happened, going by the opening sequence.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 02:15:38 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 02:15:38 PM
Dream-like opening, dream-like ending.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 26, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 26, 2019, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 26, 2019, 02:12:32 PMQuoteAs for there being a genuine Egg on the Sulaco not only is that not true, as per the shooting scriptRemoving the egg wouldn't change a lot either. You still have an alien presence aboard the Sulaco that wasn't there at the end of Aliens.
Except Aliens has that after credits sound of a facehugger on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2019, 05:01:10 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2019, 05:01:10 PM
Yeah but Cameron admitted that was just a joke.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:04:40 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:04:40 PM
Regardless, the reverberation is audible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 26, 2019, 05:06:27 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 26, 2019, 05:06:27 PM
Someone needs to bring David Fincher to the next podcast and ask him about it. Maybe he is finally ready to talk about Alien 3 again.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2019, 05:06:51 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2019, 05:06:51 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 26, 2019, 05:06:27 PMSomeone needs to bring David Fincher to the next podcast and ask him about it.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:10:14 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:10:14 PM
ALIEN³ The Final Cut
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 26, 2019, 05:10:28 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 26, 2019, 05:10:28 PM
If I remember right, that sound is actually of an egg peeling open, which would make it even more consistent with Alien³.
HOWEVER, that was just put in for shits n giggles. It was never meant set up a sequel. It's non-diegetic (if I'm using that word right) ambience.
HOWEVER, that was just put in for shits n giggles. It was never meant set up a sequel. It's non-diegetic (if I'm using that word right) ambience.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:14:22 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:14:22 PM
Debatable
&
Diegetic or non-diegetic's interpretive.
&
Diegetic or non-diegetic's interpretive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 26, 2019, 05:17:17 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 26, 2019, 05:17:17 PM
My interpretation is that it's no more literal than the credits we see scrolling up the screen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2019, 05:18:09 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2019, 05:18:09 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 26, 2019, 05:17:17 PMMy interpretation is that it's no more literal than the credits we see scrolling up the screen.
Especially as Cameron has flat-out said as much.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:24:14 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 26, 2019, 05:24:14 PM
Then David created the Alien and the Alien regenerates.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 27, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 27, 2019, 01:40:01 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 26, 2019, 05:10:28 PM
If I remember right, that sound is actually of an egg peeling open, which would make it even more consistent with Alien³.
Nope, I'm wrong. I just listened to it with my earphones and it was the coolest thing. I could hear the facehugger scurry from one ear to the other!
You hear it at 2:40. Also, I want to say that this is a beautiful piece of music.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 03:55:40 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 03:55:40 AM
It is indeed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
I really need to finally buy the Aliens soundtrack at some point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2019, 10:49:09 AM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2019, 10:49:09 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
I really need to finally buy the Aliens soundtrack at some point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
Alien Soundtracks;
#1 La La Land's Alien³ Album #2 Jed Kurzel's Covenant Album #3 Intrada's Alien Album
4. Aliens
5. Resurrection
6. Prometheus
#1 La La Land's Alien³ Album #2 Jed Kurzel's Covenant Album #3 Intrada's Alien Album
4. Aliens
5. Resurrection
6. Prometheus
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 27, 2019, 11:02:49 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 27, 2019, 11:02:49 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 10:51:30 AM
I honestly don't think the Aliens Soundtrack is all that, but I would recommend;
#1 La La Land's Alien³ Album #2 Jed Kurzel's Covenant Album #3 Intrada's Alien Album
I know Covenant divided opinions (to say the least), but I defy anyone to not be a fan of The Med Bay/Backburster track.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 11:08:55 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 11:08:55 AM
Survivors <3
Dead Civilization. <3
Facehugger. <3
Chestburster. <3 <3 <3
Dead Civilization. <3
Facehugger. <3
Chestburster. <3 <3 <3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2019, 01:46:47 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2019, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 27, 2019, 10:49:09 AMhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Ob7p7lDT99cd2/giphy.gif
Yeah, I know.
I picked up the recent expanded edition of Alien 3, but I somehow managed not to get any of the scores before then. I think I had the odd track from Aliens that I got via... dubious means back when I was a student, but wherever they came from I seem to have lost them ages ago. I really should get the soundtrack albums from at least the original four films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 02:00:08 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 02:00:08 PM
Yes indeed, do!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 27, 2019, 11:05:36 PM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 27, 2019, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 11:08:55 AM
Survivors <3
Dead Civilization. <3
Facehugger. <3
Chestburster. <3 <3 <3
Cargo lift <3
Terraforming Bay <3
Alien Covenant Theme <3 <3 <3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
Jed Kurzel <3
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
The egg needs a theme.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 27, 2019, 11:33:18 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 27, 2019, 11:33:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
The egg needs a theme.
How about that song from the end of first blood?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 11:47:18 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 11:47:18 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2019, 12:05:53 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2019, 12:05:53 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 12:38:44 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 12:38:44 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 28, 2019, 12:48:42 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Feb 28, 2019, 12:48:42 AM
So if Blomkamp makes his movie and the opening scene shows a montage of A3 and AR, then we see Ripley waking up from a nightmare... I wonder if this thread would finally die.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 12:53:10 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 12:53:10 AM
Yes, perhaps?
The thread's undead though. ???
;)
The thread's undead though. ???
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 01:43:38 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 01:43:38 AM
At least that would explain the cryotubes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 28, 2019, 01:47:07 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 28, 2019, 01:47:07 AM
And when she wakes up she has to say " Oh thank goodness, it was all just a bad dream. " *winks at camera*
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 01:52:06 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 01:52:06 AM
Narcissus condensation!
Now copolymer plastic!
Cryotube version A!
To
Cryotube version B!
A E S T H E T I C
Now copolymer plastic!
Cryotube version A!
To
Cryotube version B!
A E S T H E T I C
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 28, 2019, 01:47:07 AM
And when she wakes up she has to say " Oh thank goodness, it was all just a bad dream. " *winks at camera*
And then it turns out they retconned the first 2 movies as well, when Parker and brett shove their butt cheeks against her cryotube in Alien 79.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 01:57:04 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 01:57:04 AM
Page 174... Pure once... RIP.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 28, 2019, 01:58:27 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 28, 2019, 01:58:27 AM
*hissing* Kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . .
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 01:58:56 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 01:58:56 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2013, 03:47:21 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Jan 31, 2013, 03:41:49 AMDifferent cryotubes, different cryogenic compartment room, different lighting, different ceilings, different outside ship exterior, different outside lettering, the egg is shown in a really weird room that doesn't appear anywhere and we haven't seen it.
That's because the UPP boarded the ship, removed the passengers from their tubes (without reviving them) and then placed them back in the senior officers' cryotubes (in a different section of the ship) when they sent the Sulaco back on her merry way.
The white lettering was on the Sulaco's port side. Black on starboard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 02:01:00 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 02:01:00 AM
What's that you say Rip? I can't hear you over the pffffffffffftttttt!!!!
Hey, how about we talk about that bonus situation?
No?
Prrrrrbbbbbbttttttt!!!!!!
Hey, how about we talk about that bonus situation?
No?
Prrrrrbbbbbbttttttt!!!!!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 02:02:21 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 02:02:21 AM
Wut.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 02:05:13 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 02:05:13 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 02:02:21 AM
Wut.
Farts man.
I imagine you could get great tone off those cryotubes.
Maybe if they remove a hose and crack one right into her oxygen supply?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 02:05:30 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 02:05:30 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 28, 2019, 01:58:28 AM
Kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . .
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 28, 2019, 02:20:11 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 28, 2019, 02:20:11 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 02:05:30 AMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 28, 2019, 01:58:28 AM
Kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . .
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 02:31:02 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 02:31:02 AM
Kill it dead.
Finished.
Finished.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 03:34:58 AM
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 03:34:58 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 28, 2019, 01:58:27 AMBut then how will we CE to a consensus on how the egg got on the sulaco?
*hissing* Kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . . kill the thread . . .
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: AhabPredator on Feb 28, 2019, 03:41:51 AM
Post by: AhabPredator on Feb 28, 2019, 03:41:51 AM
Scrolling the archives here, it would seem that...
Anytime a post ends up here, this happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQz91Cx0Ato (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQz91Cx0Ato)
Anytime a post ends up here, this happens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQz91Cx0Ato (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQz91Cx0Ato)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 03:44:27 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 03:44:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this thread has ended marriages.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 03:49:39 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 03:49:39 AM
27 years later, it's time for everyone to admit that Bishop did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 03:56:39 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 03:56:39 AM
It was Turk doing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 28, 2019, 04:08:30 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 28, 2019, 04:08:30 AM
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 03:49:39 AM^this is the gospel
27 years later, it's time for everyone to admit that Bishop did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 04:10:37 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 04:10:37 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Feb 28, 2019, 04:08:30 AMQuote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 03:49:39 AM^this is the gospel
27 years later, it's time for everyone to admit that Bishop did it.
Of course he did it. He had means, motive and opportunity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 04:45:19 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 04:45:19 AM
I'm still curious to know if any Alien fans genuinely believe that Bishop did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 04:48:05 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 04:48:05 AM
I take Vermillion at his word.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 04:50:11 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 04:50:11 AM
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 04:45:19 AM
I'm still curious to know if any Alien fans genuinely believe that Bishop did it.
I believe it's absolutely possible from a narrative standpoint.
In today's movie market, excuses of a much more ridiculous nature are used often.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 04:52:13 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 04:52:13 AM
We live in a post-ACM world. Anything is possible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 04:53:15 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 04:53:15 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 04:52:13 AM
We live in a post-ACM world. Anything is possible.
See
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:02:11 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:02:11 AM
Bishop doing it can be logical in the story's diegesis, but it is absurd when you consider the tone of the character in the movie. He's introduced, developed and concluded as a good guy altogether; more than good, actually amazing. He's the next best thing to Ripley in the movie when it comes to intelligence and heroic feats.
It brings interesting questions about intradiegetic believability VS stylization and respect for the author's intent.
It brings interesting questions about intradiegetic believability VS stylization and respect for the author's intent.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2019, 05:07:22 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 28, 2019, 05:07:22 AM
Give me strength, o Lord, to endure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 28, 2019, 05:11:07 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 28, 2019, 05:11:07 AM
None who have crossed paths with this thread may e'er be free of it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:24:22 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:24:22 AM
Abandon hope all ye who enter here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 05:29:51 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 05:29:51 AM
Ours is not to reason why
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:37:47 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:37:47 AM
Fun fact: this weekend I was watching Alien 3 Assembly Cut with a lover in bed and during the very prologue, they asked "Wait... How the HELL did this egg get there? How? When?"
And they kept asking. Until I told them there was a 60-pages-or-something thread about that on some Alien forums.
Then I got back and saw it was 170. ;D
And they kept asking. Until I told them there was a 60-pages-or-something thread about that on some Alien forums.
Then I got back and saw it was 170. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 28, 2019, 06:30:50 AM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 28, 2019, 06:30:50 AM
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 04:45:19 AM
I'm still curious to know if any Alien fans genuinely believe that Bishop did it.
I think it destroys all point having Bishop in Aliens in the first place. I mean, he was introduced to show that androids not bad by themselves but because of programing. Without him there would be another trope in Alien franchise - "androids always are bad".
Also it destoys all importance of Bishop inclusion in 3. We can sympathize him because he had been pretty good dude but it didn't save him fromhis terrible fate (he was tore to pieces, you know)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 06:33:09 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 06:33:09 AM
You're right, it is not only contradictory to the intents of AlienS, it also goes against Alien 3 itself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 28, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 28, 2019, 09:00:04 AM
I do not believe the Bishop theory. Why do people have such a hard time admitting that it's a glaring plot hole? This movie was a mess from the start.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2019, 09:05:12 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 28, 2019, 09:05:12 AM
Everyone knows it was a plot-hole.
Just trying to fansplain it.
Just trying to fansplain it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 09:08:47 AM
Yeah, it's more fun to look for an explanation.
What about this one: the queen produced some kind of spore which flew around in the ship before anchoring itself at the ceiling and developing into an egg?
What about this one: the queen produced some kind of spore which flew around in the ship before anchoring itself at the ceiling and developing into an egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
^
100%
But...
The answer's clear.
Spoiler
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
I still like to think the eggs and ovipositor jelly initially form inside the queen's body.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.
[close]
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:02:10 AM
Bishop doing it can be logical in the story's diegesis, but it is absurd when you consider the tone of the character in the movie. He's introduced, developed and concluded as a good guy altogether; more than good, actually amazing. He's the next best thing to Ripley in the movie when it comes to intelligence and heroic feats.
It brings interesting questions about intradiegetic believability VS stylization and respect for the author's intent.
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 06:33:10 AM
It is not only contradictory to the intents of Aliens, it also goes against Alien³ itself.
100%
But...
The answer's clear.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 05:13:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 05:13:26 PM
Reply #2535?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 05:19:24 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 05:19:24 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
^Spoiler
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
I still like to think the eggs and ovipositor jelly initially form inside the queen's body.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.[close]
Sounds familiar...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
It's not even really a "new ability," just an extension of what we've already seen. The eggs obviously start out small and develop over time within the queen's ovipositor, right?
My theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 06:00:20 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 06:00:20 PM
Indeed.
"Page 1, any problem?"
"Page 2, any problem?"
"Page 1, any problem?"
"Page 2, any problem?"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 08:55:51 PM
Waitwaitwait, I got it!
The butler did it.
The butler did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 08:58:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 08:58:30 PM
Bishop was the butler.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:16:32 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:16:32 PM
Consensus? No.
Cognitive dissonance? Yes.
Cognitive dissonance? Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 28, 2019, 09:19:07 PM
Post by: P-Rock on Feb 28, 2019, 09:19:07 PM
Newt did it because she wanted a souvenir.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 09:56:28 PM
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:16:32 PMHow's this?
Consensus? No.
Cognitive dissonance? Yes.
Bishop was the editor of Alien 3. Also the butler. And he did it.
It's meta.
He also caused the blackout which erased all records of replicants and the original Charles Bishop Weyland.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 09:57:29 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 09:57:29 PM
The plot thickens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 09:59:24 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 28, 2019, 09:59:24 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 09:56:28 PMQuote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 09:16:32 PMHow's this?
Consensus? No.
Cognitive dissonance? Yes.
Bishop was the editor of Alien 3. Also the butler. And he did it.
It's meta.
He also caused the blackout which erased all records of replicants and the original Charles Bishop Weyland.
Canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 10:00:20 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 10:00:20 PM
So who's responsible for the assembly cut?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 10:02:08 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 10:02:08 PM
Charles de Lauzirika.
Regardless, Reply #2535? Canon.
Regardless, Reply #2535? Canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 10:02:33 PM
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2019, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2019, 10:00:20 PMDetective Vukovich
So who's responsible for the assembly cut?
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 10:02:08 PMYou appear to be taking this far too seriously.
Charles de Lauzirika.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 11:08:06 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 11:08:06 PM
...Perhaps.
Perhaps the reverse.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 11:11:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 28, 2019, 11:11:16 PM
Strange angle for a selfie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
A few women I know like to take them from above. They say it makes them look slimmer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 28, 2019, 11:42:11 PM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 28, 2019, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
A few women I know like to take them from above. They say it makes them look slimmer.
I'll have to try that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 12:25:48 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 12:25:48 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
A few women I know like to take them from above. They say it makes them look slimmer.
I've heard of this.
I must look gorgeous on Google earth.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:27:41 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:27:41 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 12:25:48 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
A few women I know like to take them from above. They say it makes them look slimmer.
I've heard of this.
I must look gorgeous on Google earth.
Hmm, I wonder who else looks gorgeous on Google Earth.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:40:00 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:40:00 AM
Voodoo is here for advice 24 hours a day.
Say no to below.
Unless it's Annie Leibovitz behind the lens (and even then we'd think twice), never allow yourself to get photographed from below. It's the most unflattering angle there is, and can make you look pounds heavier. Head-on can work, but it's even better if the camera is slightly above you. Because of the angle, you'll need to look up, which elongates and thins out your neck and torso.
Say no to below.
Unless it's Annie Leibovitz behind the lens (and even then we'd think twice), never allow yourself to get photographed from below. It's the most unflattering angle there is, and can make you look pounds heavier. Head-on can work, but it's even better if the camera is slightly above you. Because of the angle, you'll need to look up, which elongates and thins out your neck and torso.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:48:01 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:48:01 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:40:00 AM
Voodoo is here for advice 24 hours a day.
Say no to below.
Unless it's Annie Leibovitz behind the lens (and even then we'd think twice), never allow yourself to get photographed from below. It's the most unflattering angle there is, and can make you look pounds heavier. Head-on can work, but it's even better if the camera is slightly above you. Because of the angle, you'll need to look up, which elongates and thins out your neck and torso.
You forgot Michael Biehn.
He probably looks good from every angle.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 12:49:00 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 12:49:00 AM
Below is fine.
Natural beauty is being lost in this world, and a full woman is a beautiful thing.
Natural beauty is being lost in this world, and a full woman is a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:56:45 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:56:45 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:48:01 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:40:00 AM
Voodoo is here for advice 24 hours a day.
Say no to below.
Unless it's Annie Leibovitz behind the lens (and even then we'd think twice), never allow yourself to get photographed from below. It's the most unflattering angle there is, and can make you look pounds heavier. Head-on can work, but it's even better if the camera is slightly above you. Because of the angle, you'll need to look up, which elongates and thins out your neck and torso.
You forgot Michael Biehn.
He probably looks good from every angle.
Indeed!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 01:24:18 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 01:24:18 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:56:45 AMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:48:01 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:40:00 AM
Voodoo is here for advice 24 hours a day.
Say no to below.
Unless it's Annie Leibovitz behind the lens (and even then we'd think twice), never allow yourself to get photographed from below. It's the most unflattering angle there is, and can make you look pounds heavier. Head-on can work, but it's even better if the camera is slightly above you. Because of the angle, you'll need to look up, which elongates and thins out your neck and torso.
You forgot Michael Biehn.
He probably looks good from every angle.
Indeed!
Every. Perfect. Angle.
. . .
I need a social life.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 01:26:14 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 01:26:14 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 01:24:18 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:56:45 AMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:48:01 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:40:00 AM
Voodoo is here for advice 24 hours a day.
Say no to below.
Unless it's Annie Leibovitz behind the lens (and even then we'd think twice), never allow yourself to get photographed from below. It's the most unflattering angle there is, and can make you look pounds heavier. Head-on can work, but it's even better if the camera is slightly above you. Because of the angle, you'll need to look up, which elongates and thins out your neck and torso.
You forgot Michael Biehn.
He probably looks good from every angle.
Indeed!
Every. Perfect. Angle.
. . .
I need a social life.
And a tall drink of the Biehnster, apparently. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 01:31:25 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 01:31:25 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 01, 2019, 01:26:14 AMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 01:24:18 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:56:45 AMQuote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 01, 2019, 12:48:01 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 01, 2019, 12:40:00 AM
Voodoo is here for advice 24 hours a day.
Say no to below.
Unless it's Annie Leibovitz behind the lens (and even then we'd think twice), never allow yourself to get photographed from below. It's the most unflattering angle there is, and can make you look pounds heavier. Head-on can work, but it's even better if the camera is slightly above you. Because of the angle, you'll need to look up, which elongates and thins out your neck and torso.
You forgot Michael Biehn.
He probably looks good from every angle.
Indeed!
Every. Perfect. Angle.
. . .
I need a social life.
And a tall drink of the Biehnster, apparently. ;)
I can't decide.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 01, 2019, 03:02:40 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 01, 2019, 03:02:40 AM
#Thirst.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 01, 2019, 11:51:06 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 01, 2019, 11:51:06 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again.. We see how it happened:
The acid burning the floor before Bishop is torn apart.. Xenomorph don't drool acid, so that is dripping from the open wound from where the eggsack was torn away..
New additions to the canon, such as the black goo being volatile/ever evolving, examples of small eggs in David's makeshift lab, alongside egg morphing in Alien director's cut, and non canon examples of small eggs (in Gibson's comic adaptation) all tell us the Alien life cycle isn't as cut and dry as everyone makes it out to be... Some people live and die by James Cameron's movie far too much... There are a variety of possible ways the egg got there, you just need an imagination... And no, it wasn't Bishop 🤣
The acid burning the floor before Bishop is torn apart.. Xenomorph don't drool acid, so that is dripping from the open wound from where the eggsack was torn away..
New additions to the canon, such as the black goo being volatile/ever evolving, examples of small eggs in David's makeshift lab, alongside egg morphing in Alien director's cut, and non canon examples of small eggs (in Gibson's comic adaptation) all tell us the Alien life cycle isn't as cut and dry as everyone makes it out to be... Some people live and die by James Cameron's movie far too much... There are a variety of possible ways the egg got there, you just need an imagination... And no, it wasn't Bishop 🤣
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 01, 2019, 12:02:56 PM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 01, 2019, 12:02:56 PM
Thesis;
Antithesis;
Synthesis;
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
^Spoiler
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM@Local Trouble Credit.
I still like to think the eggs and ovipositor jelly initially form inside the queen's body.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.[close]Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:02:10 AM
Bishop doing it can be logical in the story's diegesis, but it is absurd when you consider the tone of the character in the movie. He's introduced, developed and concluded as a good guy altogether; more than good, actually amazing. He's the next best thing to Ripley in the movie when it comes to intelligence and heroic feats.
It brings interesting questions about intradiegetic believability VS stylization and respect for the author's intent.Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 06:33:10 AM
It is not only contradictory to the intents of Aliens, it also goes against Alien³ itself.
100%
Antithesis;
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
A "Deus ex machina" and, no antecedent presence? No.
Synthesis;
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
Page 170.Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Mar 01, 2019, 09:00:06 PM
Post by: judge death on Mar 01, 2019, 09:00:06 PM
Well, we see afterall just before the queen takes Bishop some acid fluid dripping down and melting into the floor so I guess that could be the egg fluid from where the eggsack was attached to the queen, and yes we do know that the queen produces the egg embryos and lays them into the eggsack for maturing, given the size of the eggs I doubt she could push them out from her vagina. But I do remain skeptical about those embryos/cells being able to fall onto the floor and from there grow to a small egg, without maturing to a proper egg, if its that easy then why bother with the eggsack at all?
One theory from me could be: Eggs that starts life like that outside the eggsack will grow to smaller size than a regular egg and super short lifespan, hence they hatch as soon as its mature and the facehugger carries a queen and normal drone for protection. While eggs that is laid by the eggsack will be able to live for 1000s of years and ensures the species can survive for a long time.
One theory from me could be: Eggs that starts life like that outside the eggsack will grow to smaller size than a regular egg and super short lifespan, hence they hatch as soon as its mature and the facehugger carries a queen and normal drone for protection. While eggs that is laid by the eggsack will be able to live for 1000s of years and ensures the species can survive for a long time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 01, 2019, 09:04:17 PM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 01, 2019, 09:04:17 PM
Ferro and Spunkmeyer did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 02, 2019, 03:28:52 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 02, 2019, 03:28:52 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 01, 2019, 12:02:56 PM
Synthesis;
Your preferred ending?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 02, 2019, 03:56:20 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 02, 2019, 03:56:20 AM
lol For Mass Effect? No.
For the thread? No choice. Yes.
Reply #2672
For the thread? No choice. Yes.
Reply #2672
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2019, 04:03:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 02, 2019, 04:03:26 AM
Yeah trying to assert one interpretation as standard isn't really going to ... I was going to say "go down well", but it's not going to go down, period.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 02, 2019, 04:04:56 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 02, 2019, 04:04:56 AM
It's no interpretation.
The logical refutations, and logical conclusion.
But, fair enough.
The logical refutations, and logical conclusion.
But, fair enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 04, 2019, 03:42:27 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 04, 2019, 03:42:27 AM
About logic, I see you all have NOTHING to debunk the Ferro & Spunkmeyer version.
They had nothing to do while other Marines were risking their lives and the Company knew about this. So they paid them to get them some fresh eggs from the Derelict. The Company instructed them to take basic safety measures, which worked - Ferro & Spunkmeyer obtained eggs without a problem.
They hide the egg in the bulk and got back to LV-426, re-landed. No problem.
Do you want proof? Well thirty minutes into the movie, right after deposing the M577 APC, the UD-4L Cheyenne Dropship takes off.
30:46
WHY does it take off? You may assume that's in order to protect the dropship from being attacked by aliens, but then why don't they get back into orbit? Or at least land 1000 kilometers away or something? (Acheron is big enough, 12,201 km.)
Instead, we find the dropship landed at 1:06. And landed right in the Hadley's Hope installations. We don't see the environment clearly, but we do see the ground is covered in metal plates and there are artificial structures in the background. So it's either the settlement or the atmospheric processor's direct surroundings.
Why did it land right in this dangerous area, if it took off to avoid it?
Another question: why does Spunkmeyer react so little to the Alien mucus? Why does he merely say "Hold on a sec, there's something?". He perfectly knows about the Alien threat. The entire mission is about it. He got Ripley's story and written report, plus both Ferro and Spunkmeyer were likely sent updated on the situation on the other troops via radio (unless they just waited for the red torch signal, which seems doubtful).
This theory actually resolves THREE plotholes:
- The Alien egg
- The dropship taking off just to land in the very same installations
- Uncautious Spunkmeyer.
Occam's razor must be favoured: choose the simplest hypothesis, which explains everything.
They had nothing to do while other Marines were risking their lives and the Company knew about this. So they paid them to get them some fresh eggs from the Derelict. The Company instructed them to take basic safety measures, which worked - Ferro & Spunkmeyer obtained eggs without a problem.
They hide the egg in the bulk and got back to LV-426, re-landed. No problem.
Do you want proof? Well thirty minutes into the movie, right after deposing the M577 APC, the UD-4L Cheyenne Dropship takes off.
30:46
WHY does it take off? You may assume that's in order to protect the dropship from being attacked by aliens, but then why don't they get back into orbit? Or at least land 1000 kilometers away or something? (Acheron is big enough, 12,201 km.)
Instead, we find the dropship landed at 1:06. And landed right in the Hadley's Hope installations. We don't see the environment clearly, but we do see the ground is covered in metal plates and there are artificial structures in the background. So it's either the settlement or the atmospheric processor's direct surroundings.
Why did it land right in this dangerous area, if it took off to avoid it?
Another question: why does Spunkmeyer react so little to the Alien mucus? Why does he merely say "Hold on a sec, there's something?". He perfectly knows about the Alien threat. The entire mission is about it. He got Ripley's story and written report, plus both Ferro and Spunkmeyer were likely sent updated on the situation on the other troops via radio (unless they just waited for the red torch signal, which seems doubtful).
This theory actually resolves THREE plotholes:
- The Alien egg
- The dropship taking off just to land in the very same installations
- Uncautious Spunkmeyer.
Occam's razor must be favoured: choose the simplest hypothesis, which explains everything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
Spunkmeyer didn't give the goo it's due because he's a james cameron movie trope. They never do their homework and you could sneak up on them in a Mac truck.
In typical movie fashion, it was time for a jumpscare. Cameronisms at their finest.
In typical movie fashion, it was time for a jumpscare. Cameronisms at their finest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:52:44 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:52:44 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 04, 2019, 03:49:59 AM
G o d . F u c k i n g . D a m n . I t
Alien 5?
With any luck, he will.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 03:54:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 03:54:01 AM
Hate is a gift.
Besides, we still have yet to reach consensus.
Besides, we still have yet to reach consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 04, 2019, 03:54:40 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 04, 2019, 03:54:40 AM
The Old One> To answer your erased post, the very function of the egg on Sulaco is to make the nightmare begin anew.
I'm just following the very same logic. ;D
I'm just following the very same logic. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:55:09 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:55:09 AM
We must preserve it for future generations.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:57:39 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:57:39 AM
Goosfraba
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 04:00:05 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 04:00:05 AM
Incidentally, that sticky goo is what I imagine secured the proto-egg into place after it oozed from the queen's abdomen.
It appeared to be a lot more viscous than the slime that Dallas stuck his hand in right before the alien got him.
It appeared to be a lot more viscous than the slime that Dallas stuck his hand in right before the alien got him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 04:03:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 04:03:41 AM
I've been responsible for lots of goo in my time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 04:06:14 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 04:06:14 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 04, 2019, 04:00:56 AM
Are you responsible for the sticky goo?
According to your previous analysis, I am.
That was from anger management. Goosfraba is the code word Jack Nicholson uses to calm his patients. Supposedly it was descended from some Eskimo meaning.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Mar 04, 2019, 04:06:33 AM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 04, 2019, 04:06:33 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 04, 2019, 04:05:23 AMBut burning everyone means no consensus
MFW @All of you in the last two pages.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQUywk6jzNFXvOmaYmd-hm9wQPhL-aGNq0D0cBaOR0qy4hecTFx
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 04:07:19 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 04:07:19 AM
We already have consensus, some just don't know it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 04, 2019, 04:09:51 AM
Post by: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 04, 2019, 04:09:51 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
Spunkmeyer didn't give the goo it's due because he's a james cameron movie trope. They never do their homework and you could sneak up on them in a Mac truck.
In typical movie fashion, it was time for a jumpscare. Cameronisms at their finest.
I'm not convinced. Such cliche, coming from the guy who gave us the most original xenoplanet ever (space furries in fluo jungle, now that's deep)? Such cliche, coming from the guy who astonished us with the Titanic romance (I cried when the lover experienced such a tragic death (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/10/titanic-myth-busted-jack-and-rose-could-have-both-fit-on-that-raft/))? Such cliche, coming from the guy who gave us the perfect Terminator family?
Furthermore, you're failing to notice other meaningful details. In the Marines' introductory scene, it's Ferro who answers Vasquez "She's supposed to be some kinda consultant. Apparently she saw an alien once". The team hasn't been briefed yet. So why does Ferro know that? Who told her? Burke is the obvious answer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 04, 2019, 08:06:53 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 04, 2019, 08:06:53 AM
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Mar 04, 2019, 03:42:27 AMWhy did it land right in this dangerous area, if it took off to avoid it?
Because they thought the area was secure, and so Spunkmeyer could deliver equipment to Bishop, which we see happen in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 04, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 04, 2019, 11:54:35 AM
Quote
I'm not convinced. Such cliche, coming from the guy who gave us the most original xenoplanet ever (space furries in fluo jungle, now that's deep)? Such cliche, coming from the guy who astonished us with the Titanic romance (I cried when the lover experienced such a tragic death (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/10/titanic-myth-busted-jack-and-rose-could-have-both-fit-on-that-raft/))? Such cliche, coming from the guy who gave us the perfect Terminator family?
Please say this is all sarcasm!? XD James Cameron is THE most unoriginal guy in the universe! 'Aliens' ? It's just 'Alien' scene for scene with more xenos, marines, a kid thrown into the mix and bluer... 'Terminator 2?' it's 'The Terminator' scene for scene with more terminators, a kid thrown into the mix, and bluer. 'Avatar?' it's Pocahontas.. With marines thrown into the mix and bluer. Yes he makes great blockbusters, yes the visuals are often well done.. But original? Haha.. No.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 01:20:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 04, 2019, 01:20:08 PM
You'd think the dropship would have had a motion tracking system of its own to detect possible intruders within its perimeter, but I guess not...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 04, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Mar 04, 2019, 11:54:35 AMQuote
I'm not convinced. Such cliche, coming from the guy who gave us the most original xenoplanet ever (space furries in fluo jungle, now that's deep)? Such cliche, coming from the guy who astonished us with the Titanic romance (I cried when the lover experienced such a tragic death (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/10/titanic-myth-busted-jack-and-rose-could-have-both-fit-on-that-raft/))? Such cliche, coming from the guy who gave us the perfect Terminator family?
Please say this is all sarcasm!? XD James Cameron is THE most unoriginal guy in the universe! 'Aliens' ? It's just 'Alien' scene for scene with more xenos, marines, a kid thrown into the mix and bluer... 'Terminator 2?' it's 'The Terminator' scene for scene with more terminators, a kid thrown into the mix, and bluer. 'Avatar?' it's Pocahontas.. With marines thrown into the mix and bluer. Yes he makes great blockbusters, yes the visuals are often well done.. But original? Haha.. No.
He rips off everything. That's why avatar has been affectionately known by many as "dances with smurfs". Cameron can makes standard films, they just have bigger budgets and actors than the others, so they seem like more of a big deal. Regardless, they're filled with cliches. He gives the audience every trope in the book.
He had some good ideas with t1 and aliens, but those days are over. I don't expect that kind of quality and originality from him anymore. He's like Michael bay with better press.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 04, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 04, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
Agree 100% on this... This is why I can't think of anything worse than a Blomkamp/Cameron collaboration..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2019, 11:44:40 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2019, 11:44:40 PM
How about a Whedon/Jeunet collaboration?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 05, 2019, 11:47:17 PM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 05, 2019, 11:47:17 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2019, 11:44:40 PM
How about a Whedon/Jeunet collaboration?
Take it over Shane Black any day.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2019, 09:01:36 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2019, 09:01:36 AM
No way. The Predator may not have been his best work (although how many of its faults are actually down to him remains to be seen), but the rest of Black's filmography is pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2019, 09:10:03 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2019, 09:10:03 AM
To be fair Whedon and Jeunet are hardly slouches with bad filmographies either. The Buffy series may not be for me, but it's a very popular franchise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 02:37:38 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 02:37:38 AM
I'm actually fond of most of Whedon's stuff, but his style is completely wrong for Alien. Always was, always will be. Same with Jeunet.
They're no Avellone/Glazer.
They're no Avellone/Glazer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 07, 2019, 09:13:17 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 07, 2019, 09:13:17 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 02:37:38 AM
I'm actually fond of most of Whedon's stuff, but his style is completely wrong for Alien. Always was, always will be. Same with Jeunet.
Oh, for sure! It's one of the things I truly find fascinating about Resurrection. People who I consider being very talented with not so much interference with Fox coming together to make this inappropriate Alien film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
Alien: all of the right talented people on the right project.
Alien Resurrection: all of the wrong talented people on the right project.
Alien Resurrection: all of the wrong talented people on the right project.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Speaking of AR, I now wonder if the egg on the Sulaco could have also provided the USM with ample genetic material to clone an alien in lieu of Ripley's blood samples. After all, it's more than just a shell and seems to be an organism in and of itself.
Not to mention the facehugger corpse on Fury, but I've already been over that...
Not to mention the facehugger corpse on Fury, but I've already been over that...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 08, 2019, 12:03:03 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 08, 2019, 12:03:03 PM
If we assume the egg and Facehugger are independent organisms and that the latter injects some kind of mutagenic fluid into hosts to create a Chestburster - both of which are suggested in the expanded lore - then its reasonable that neither would help you get an Alien once they've served their biological purpose.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 08, 2019, 01:56:08 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 08, 2019, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 08, 2019, 12:40:14 PMPerhaps Plagiarus praepotens residue could be acquired through the Egg or the Facehugger
Given how much trouble they were having getting a sample in Cold Forge, it can't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 08, 2019, 02:27:12 PM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 08, 2019, 02:27:12 PM
True. Regardless if they had access to either they'd be able to outright clone that stage instead,
bypassing the need for Ellen Ripley completely.
bypassing the need for Ellen Ripley completely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 09, 2019, 10:40:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 09, 2019, 10:40:03 AM
Indeed.
Why would the facehugger wander very far away from where it got Spike? A deliberate search of the grounds by the company should have yielded at least some tangible specimens.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 08, 2019, 12:40:14 PM
Perhaps Plagiarus praepotens residue could be acquired through the Egg or the Facehugger, but if there's no Egg,
if the first Facehugger is burned away in the electrical fire and the second impregnates Spike then hides itself away in the labyrinth that is the Fury 161 structure- it's a non-issue.
Why would the facehugger wander very far away from where it got Spike? A deliberate search of the grounds by the company should have yielded at least some tangible specimens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 09, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 09, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Because it conceals itself.
E.G; Alien.
E.G; Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 09, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 09, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
What about the AC?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 09, 2019, 01:31:02 PM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 09, 2019, 01:31:02 PM
The Special Edition's birth's non-Canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 09, 2019, 04:21:14 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 09, 2019, 04:21:14 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 10, 2019, 02:11:35 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 10, 2019, 02:11:35 AM
Nice to see the threads alive and well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 10, 2019, 02:13:02 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 10, 2019, 02:13:02 AM
And people complained about muh canon threads. This is the one discussion that will go on circles forever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 10, 2019, 02:21:24 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 10, 2019, 02:21:24 AM
Spoiler
Thesis;
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 28, 2019, 05:11:28 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Feb 25, 2019, 08:09:05 PM@Local Trouble Credit.
I still like to think the eggs and ovipositor jelly initially form inside the queen's body.
The jelly full of microscopic eggs moves from her body and into the ovipositor. Here, the eggs marinate in the ovipositor jelly and grow to full size.
She rips away from the ovipositor and has a little bit of ovipositor jelly dripping from her body, which contains tiny, ungrown eggs.
During the fight with Ripley, some of this jelly drips onto the floor or gets flung onto a wall in the Sulaco.
The aliens have acidic blood, so I see no reason not to believe the ovipositor jelly might be slightly acidic too, so it melts through the floor/wall and the tiny eggs inside of it grow.
This is how we ended up with an egg growing out of a ceiling.Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 05:02:10 AM
Bishop doing it can be logical in the story's diegesis, but it is absurd when you consider the tone of the character in the movie. He's introduced, developed and concluded as a good guy altogether; more than good, actually amazing. He's the next best thing to Ripley in the movie when it comes to intelligence and heroic feats.
It brings interesting questions about intradiegetic believability VS stylization and respect for the author's intent.Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 06:33:10 AM
It is not only contradictory to the intents of Aliens, it also goes against Alien³ itself.
100%
Antithesis;
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 25, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
A "Deus ex machina" and, no antecedent presence? No.
[close]
Synthesis;
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 24, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
Page 170.Spoiler
Quote from: The Old One on Aug 20, 2018, 11:00:02 AM
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 10, 2019, 04:13:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 10, 2019, 04:13:31 AM
Can we call that the green option?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 10, 2019, 04:22:01 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 10, 2019, 04:22:01 AM
Why isnt there a poll on this thread?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 10, 2019, 04:25:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 10, 2019, 04:25:14 AM
I guess OP didn't think of it 13 years ago when he started the thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Frosty Venom on Mar 10, 2019, 04:39:27 AM
Post by: Frosty Venom on Mar 10, 2019, 04:39:27 AM
So what are all the current theories?
Could someone please list them all.
Could someone please list them all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 08:32:40 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 08:32:40 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Mar 10, 2019, 04:39:27 AM
So what are all the current theories?
Could someone please list them all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 08:41:12 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 08:41:12 AM
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Mar 10, 2019, 04:39:27 AMIn no order of validity:
So what are all the current theories?
Could someone please list them all.
Bishop did it
It was all a dream
Proto-egg plopped out of the Queen's ass and matured in transit
Queen laid the egg
A wizard did it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 08:53:06 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 08:53:06 AM
Reality is whatever you perceive it to be. Only if you accept this can you truly achieve inner peace... 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 10, 2019, 09:10:07 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 10, 2019, 09:10:07 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 08:32:40 AMhttps://i.gifer.com/4rRv.gif
:laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 08:41:12 AMIn no order of validity:
Bishop did it
It was all a dream
Proto-egg plopped out of the Queen's ass and matured in transit
Queen laid the egg
A wizard did it
6. It's just bad writing
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 09:21:54 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 09:21:54 AM
I assumed he was asking for in-universe theories, not "the actual reason".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 10, 2019, 09:25:53 AM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 10, 2019, 09:25:53 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 08:41:12 AMQuote from: Frosty Venom on Mar 10, 2019, 04:39:27 AMIn no order of validity:
So what are all the current theories?
Could someone please list them all.
Bishop did it
It was all a dream
Proto-egg plopped out of the Queen's ass and matured in transit
Queen laid the egg
A wizard did it
So, what you're saying is that the Merlin saga will explain how that egg got onto the Sulaco?
Can't wait too see the movie then! If Ridley ever manages to start filming it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Frosty Venom on Mar 10, 2019, 10:13:21 AM
Post by: Frosty Venom on Mar 10, 2019, 10:13:21 AM
Yeah ima go with the Queen did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
Yeah, in terms of validity it's either "the egg itself was just a dream vision and the hugger got on board" or "the egg laying monster left an egg".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 10, 2019, 11:22:32 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 10, 2019, 11:22:32 AM
^
Bacteria = Egg = Super/Royal/Praetorian Facehugger, infects Ellen Ripley and
infects a quadruped.
(Special Edition)
Or
Dream Alien representation & Facehuggers:
one onboard the USS Sulaco,
infects Ellen Ripley, perishes, (burned)
one onboard the EEV,
infects a quadruped.
(Theatrical Version & TBC New Version)
Bacteria = Egg = Super/Royal/Praetorian Facehugger, infects Ellen Ripley and
infects a quadruped.
(Special Edition)
Or
Dream Alien representation & Facehuggers:
one onboard the USS Sulaco,
infects Ellen Ripley, perishes, (burned)
one onboard the EEV,
infects a quadruped.
(Theatrical Version & TBC New Version)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 10, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 10, 2019, 11:33:30 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
Yeah, in terms of validity it's either "the egg itself was just a dream vision and the hugger got on board" or "the egg laying monster left an egg".
Nah, Wizard is the most valid theory thus far.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 11:50:56 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 11:50:56 AM
No. The truth's the editor botched the beginning.
"End of his ass, end of story."
"End of his ass, end of story."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 01:06:20 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 10, 2019, 11:33:30 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2019, 10:42:21 AM
Yeah, in terms of validity it's either "the egg itself was just a dream vision and the hugger got on board" or "the egg laying monster left an egg".
Nah, Wizard is the most valid theory thus far.
Makes as much sense as anything else. An alien wizard would be an interesting addition to the mythology tbf... :D
Reality is, no matter how much vehement people are about their theory being "the one", nobody's ever going to change their mind. Dream, stowaway facehugger(s), ooze, wizard, alternate reality, it doesn't matter. Unless or until it's locked, this thread will continue in perpetuity. Whenever it slows down, someone new will come along and ask the question again, then we'll get another 10-15 pages. Rinse, repeat...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 10, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 10, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 10, 2019, 04:25:14 AM
I guess OP didn't think of it 13 years ago when he started the thread.
An admin could just edit one in.
Edit: Just noticed now it was Darkness, he can add a poll.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
@Rankles75
Yeah, and a straight answer's clear.
No fancanon requisite.
Yeah, and a straight answer's clear.
No fancanon requisite.
Quote from: The Old One
Page 170.Spoiler
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 10, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
@Rankles75
Yeah, and a straight answer's clear.
No fancanon requisite.Quote from: The Old One
Page 170.Spoiler
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.[close]
Except the egg being in the film, regardless of whether or not it was originally supposed to be there, means it's just another theory at the end of the day. Even if it wasn't there, the alternate timeline theory has plenty of support (not a huge fan of it myself, this isn't Terminator). As I said, people will believe what they want to believe, especially when it comes to a much loved series that many feel has never recovered from this film. Don't see the issue with it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 02:12:10 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 02:12:10 PM
No. Artist's intention > fanfiction.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 02:30:50 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 10, 2019, 02:30:50 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 10, 2019, 02:12:10 PM
No. Artist's intention > fanfiction.
What I choose to accept>>>
Understand? Cheers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 10, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
Fair enough.
But individual verification is inconsequential.
But individual verification is inconsequential.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Mar 11, 2019, 11:00:38 PM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 11, 2019, 11:00:38 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 10, 2019, 11:50:56 AMAlthough this is most likely, my query with this is the existence of the shot in the first place. It's a non standard egg, so it was obviously created for the film, and it was positioned in an odd place. If it's just an editing mistake, why was the shot created in the first place?
No. The truth's the editor botched the beginning.
"End of his ass, end of story."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 11, 2019, 11:25:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 11, 2019, 11:25:36 PM
Apparently test audiences were confused by the facehugger's presence without an establishing shot of an egg to explain it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 11, 2019, 11:36:04 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 11, 2019, 11:36:04 PM
It's not a mistake.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 11, 2019, 11:42:22 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 11, 2019, 11:42:22 PM
Yes it is.
A conscious inclusion/decision's isn't by definition a correct decision.
A conscious inclusion/decision's isn't by definition a correct decision.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2019, 12:25:22 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 12, 2019, 12:25:22 AM
QuoteYes it is.
No, it isn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:28:00 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:28:00 AM
Compelling argument.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 12:43:07 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 12:43:07 AM
Does that mean you concede?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:44:55 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:44:55 AM
Peace was never an option.
The thread's proof enough.
The thread's proof enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 12:50:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 12:50:39 AM
So how did the egg get there?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:54:48 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:54:48 AM
A inane 20th Century Fox request.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 12:57:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 12:57:33 AM
I mean in-universe. Did Bishop do it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: PsyKore on Mar 12, 2019, 01:00:42 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Mar 12, 2019, 01:00:42 AM
Yes. No. Maybe. Depends.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:02:24 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:02:24 AM
No.
The question's laughable, the answer's accessible.
Quote
No fancanon requisite.Quote from: The Old One
Page 170.Spoiler
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.[close]
The question's laughable, the answer's accessible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 01:05:21 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 01:05:21 AM
Why doesn't Hicks lock the thread?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:06:23 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:06:23 AM
Because he must know too. After all, that egg is why he took a safety support through his face.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:06:25 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:06:25 AM
I don't know, question's answered.
The thread's as circular as the Star Wars prequels.
The thread's as circular as the Star Wars prequels.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:09:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:09:34 AM
See WYR, page 125:
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AMQuoteThe other, more likely, theory posits that the queen deposited a resinous egg sac in the landing gear of the dropship, or flung some amount of egg-forming material from her body once the ship was back on board the Sulaco.
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:16:32 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:16:32 AM
Fantastic fanfiction, but fanfiction.
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E, Bishop's responsible, ACM's responsible- e.g.
But the truth's the truth.
(Old One's post.)
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E, Bishop's responsible, ACM's responsible- e.g.
But the truth's the truth.
(Old One's post.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:33:47 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:33:47 AM
May as well just call the entire movie a dream then. It'd explain the cryotubes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:36:08 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:36:08 AM
No. Because we know the film's canon.
Both Alien sequels feature dreaming, and feature "superficial" aspects altered.
Both Alien sequels feature dreaming, and feature "superficial" aspects altered.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:37:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:37:58 AM
Just because it's canon doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 01:38:14 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 01:38:14 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:06:23 AM
Because he must know too. After all, that egg is why he took a safety support through his face.
Does he even care anymore?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:44:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:44:44 AM
Being reduced to human hamburger isn't the kind of thing you just forgive or forget.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:45:25 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 01:45:25 AM
The sheathless Alien's a superficial change, (Aliens) and so's the Cryotube design and Pulse Rifle. (Alien³)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2019, 01:50:03 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2019, 01:50:03 AM
Hamburger....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 01:56:12 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 01:56:12 AM
Hot dog?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 01:57:13 AM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 01:57:13 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2019, 01:50:03 AM
Hamburger....
http://www.pulse.lk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sweating.gif
Toasted buns, Swiss cheese, lettuce, bacon, guacomole, juicy beef.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 02:06:58 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 02:06:58 AM
Juicy human.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 02:15:55 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 02:15:55 AM
I have never seen that show.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 02:18:46 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 02:18:46 AM
It's masterful. Wonderful series.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Mar 12, 2019, 03:42:32 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Mar 12, 2019, 03:42:32 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2019, 04:41:05 PM
Speaking of AR, I now wonder if the egg on the Sulaco could have also provided the USM with ample genetic material to clone an alien in lieu of Ripley's blood samples. After all, it's more than just a shell and seems to be an organism in and of itself.
Not to mention the facehugger corpse on Fury, but I've already been over that...
There should also have been bits and pieces of the exploded Runner all over the place.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Frosty Venom on Mar 12, 2019, 04:27:01 AM
Post by: Frosty Venom on Mar 12, 2019, 04:27:01 AM
Interesting that the top three topics in the Alien films section all relate to Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 09:00:52 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 12, 2019, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 01:05:21 AM
Why doesn't Hicks lock the thread?
Because it's a never ending question.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:40:32 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 12:40:32 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Mar 12, 2019, 03:42:32 AM
There should also have been bits and pieces of the exploded Runner all over the place.
"We put what was left on the rubbish tip."
Yeah, AR's a farce.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 03:07:56 PM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 03:07:56 PM
The Alien's silverscreen's weird comic-book film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 03:10:16 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 03:10:16 PM
Or... a bad Alien comic-book film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:55:37 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:09:34 AM
See WYR, page 125:Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AMQuoteThe other, more likely, theory posits that the queen deposited a resinous egg sac in the landing gear of the dropship, or flung some amount of egg-forming material from her body once the ship was back on board the Sulaco.
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it).
So far this is the only theory that seems to have support from a Fox licensed material. But then again we don't know if the WYR is still in the current Fox's canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Correct, but;
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 12, 2019, 01:16:32 AM
Fantastic fanfiction, but fanfiction.
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E, Bishop's responsible, ACM's responsible- e.g.
But the truth's the truth.
(Old One's post.)
Quote
No fancanon requisite.Quote from: The Old One
Page 170.Spoiler
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
Did you just call the WYR fanfiction? Savage brah.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 08:12:52 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 08:12:52 PM
No, but the W-YR confirms zilch.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 09:08:48 PM
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 09:08:48 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
Did you just call the WYR fanfiction? Savage brah.
Hey, man, some of us actually work hard on our fanfiction, lol. It could be a compliment. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 09:12:38 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Mar 12, 2019, 09:12:38 PM
The W-YR's brilliant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 09:18:10 PM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 12, 2019, 09:12:38 PM
The W-YR's brilliant.
All hail SM! 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 09:25:20 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 09:25:20 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Mar 12, 2019, 09:08:48 PMQuote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 08:09:47 PM
Did you just call the WYR fanfiction? Savage brah.
Hey, man, some of us actually work hard on our fanfiction, lol. It could be a compliment. :P
I know you do. I didnt meant in regards to quality but in how canon it is in relation to the movies. Like Alex White said the novels are just paid fanfiction.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
Alex White's correct.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 09:42:37 PM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 09:42:37 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 09:40:44 PM
Alex White's correct. IMO.
Dude's just being brutally honest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
Indeed.
The quality entries survive regardless though.
The quality entries survive regardless though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 12, 2019, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 12, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
Indeed.
The quality entries survive regardless though.
As they should.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 13, 2019, 12:41:58 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 13, 2019, 12:41:58 AM
Calling them "paid fanfiction" is overly simplistic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 12:57:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 12:57:01 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 12, 2019, 07:55:37 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2019, 01:09:34 AM
See WYR, page 125:Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:51 AMQuoteThe other, more likely, theory posits that the queen deposited a resinous egg sac in the landing gear of the dropship, or flung some amount of egg-forming material from her body once the ship was back on board the Sulaco.
That sounds a lot like my ooze theory (although it never occurred to me that she may have "flung" it).
So far this is the only theory that seems to have support from a Fox licensed material. But then again we don't know if the WYR is still in the current Fox's canon.
It probably should've stuck to the movies. Those novels didn't age well given the developments in Covenant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 01:08:32 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 01:08:32 AM
The novels released unwell. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 01:11:07 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 01:11:07 AM
Did you have issues with them?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 01:12:00 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 01:12:00 AM
Yes, the believability.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 01:13:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 01:13:57 AM
You already know what I want next...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 01:17:28 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 01:17:28 AM
A comprehensive list?
The Alien (Film) Trilogy's worth it.
The Novels? No. :D (Perhaps The Cold Forge is.)
The Alien (Film) Trilogy's worth it.
The Novels? No. :D (Perhaps The Cold Forge is.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 06:45:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 13, 2019, 06:45:41 AM
:'(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 13, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
Apologies. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 01:35:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 01:35:43 AM
You know, this would make an excellent premise for a short film. If only we had someone around who could storyboard it...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 01:38:16 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 01:38:16 AM
No thank you, The Cold Forge deserves a miniseries or full film. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 01:39:50 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 01:39:50 AM
I mean the egg on Sulaco. Particularly, the ooze theory...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 01:43:05 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 01:43:05 AM
Worthless venture.
Spoiler
Reply #2775
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 01:48:58 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 01:48:58 AM
We already had Stasis Interrupted to expand on this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 01:49:52 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 01:49:52 AM
Indeed, the fact ACM exists is unfortunate.
I appreciate it's non-canon though.
I appreciate it's non-canon though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 02:59:59 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 02:59:59 AM
Oorah to Ashes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 03:03:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 03:03:14 AM
I can just imagine the Gearbox devs patting themselves on the back for coming up with that one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 03:07:10 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 03:07:10 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 03:03:14 AM
I can just imagine the Gearbox devs patting themselves on the back for coming up with that one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 03:08:30 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 03:08:30 AM
The magician.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 03:12:19 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 14, 2019, 03:12:19 AM
He does know about deception and illusion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 04:55:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 14, 2019, 04:55:51 AM
Confirmed and verified?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 05:00:20 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 14, 2019, 05:00:20 AM
Randy Pitchford, confirmed deception and illusion specialist.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 15, 2019, 01:44:28 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 15, 2019, 01:44:28 AM
But what about this?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 15, 2019, 02:06:04 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 15, 2019, 02:06:04 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 12, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Fantastic fanfiction is but fanfiction. (Organic Growth)
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E, Bishop's responsible, ACM's responsible- e.g.
The truth's the truth.
(Old One's post.)
No fancanon requisite:Quote from: The Old One
Page 170.
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2019, 02:50:05 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2019, 02:50:05 AM
If only there was a definitive answer. :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 26, 2019, 03:10:45 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 26, 2019, 03:10:45 AM
At least we all reached consensus on how good the skull looks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Mar 26, 2019, 03:20:40 AM
Post by: The Old One on Mar 26, 2019, 03:20:40 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2019, 07:12:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2019, 07:12:26 AM
Seems a bit drastic. All I want is consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Kurgan on Mar 27, 2019, 07:17:56 AM
Post by: The Kurgan on Mar 27, 2019, 07:17:56 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2019, 02:09:04 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2019, 02:09:04 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 28, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 28, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 24, 2019, 04:16:41 AM
Does this mean we've achieved consensus? Is everyone ready to accept my ooze theory?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 31, 2019, 01:25:10 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 31, 2019, 01:25:10 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2019, 07:12:26 AM
Seems a bit drastic. All I want is consensus.
Nah, it's as impossible as getting new universaly loved Alien or Predator movie
What i would love to know even more than how egg got on board of Sulaco is for the sake of what it's placed upside down?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 31, 2019, 02:34:39 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Mar 31, 2019, 02:34:39 PM
Gediman:
Calm down, Ripley! We are not WY and Sulaco didn't have eggs or facehuggers. And no Aliens on Fury 161. And of course - there is no a second Bishop or a man, which looks like similar. Sulaco was damaged after you leaving Acheron and short circuit occurred. You and others have been evacuated, but they die when landing. Only you survived, but you lost your mind. You kill all the prisoners! And Golic, who was mentally unstable and easily suggestible person, helped you!
Calm down, Ripley! We are not WY and Sulaco didn't have eggs or facehuggers. And no Aliens on Fury 161. And of course - there is no a second Bishop or a man, which looks like similar. Sulaco was damaged after you leaving Acheron and short circuit occurred. You and others have been evacuated, but they die when landing. Only you survived, but you lost your mind. You kill all the prisoners! And Golic, who was mentally unstable and easily suggestible person, helped you!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 01, 2019, 02:09:52 AM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 01, 2019, 02:09:52 AM
lol! Best post.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 07, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 07, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
What if David is still around during the original trilogy era, using engineer tech to spread his creatures wherever he can.
After the events of Aliens, he gets wind of how many of his babies Ripley and co. wiped out on LV-426. (Maybe he's somehow able to monitor the situation through Bishop.)
So he seeks revenge, boards the Sulaco, and places an egg above the cryotubes.
Imagine if Alien: Awakening managed to tastefully pull that off.
After the events of Aliens, he gets wind of how many of his babies Ripley and co. wiped out on LV-426. (Maybe he's somehow able to monitor the situation through Bishop.)
So he seeks revenge, boards the Sulaco, and places an egg above the cryotubes.
Imagine if Alien: Awakening managed to tastefully pull that off.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 07, 2019, 09:42:59 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 07, 2019, 09:42:59 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Apr 07, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
Imagine if Alien: Awakening managed to tastefully pull that off.
I don't want to imagine it. I want to see it!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 07, 2019, 09:44:09 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 07, 2019, 09:44:09 PM
Ellen Ripley died in a furnace on fury 161. She never met David, nor should she.
David is a pile of debris somewhere. Torn apart by his own re-creation of an ancient species.
David is a pile of debris somewhere. Torn apart by his own re-creation of an ancient species.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 07, 2019, 10:16:45 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 07, 2019, 10:16:45 PM
Agreed, David's existence touched everything
but the A.I itself directly interfering (upon Ripley's journey) by action? No.
You can't do it tastefully, the idea's inherently unbelievable.
Leave it as is, or release a new version omitting the Ovomorph and the glimpse of Ellen Ripley before the gasket blows.
THAT is the best you can do.
but the A.I itself directly interfering (upon Ripley's journey) by action? No.
You can't do it tastefully, the idea's inherently unbelievable.
Leave it as is, or release a new version omitting the Ovomorph and the glimpse of Ellen Ripley before the gasket blows.
THAT is the best you can do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 07, 2019, 10:22:45 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 07, 2019, 10:22:45 PM
Ridley could try to tie David story to Ripley somehow, it would fit his pattern. And in the worse ways the fans can imagine. He call pull another Out of Shadows, heck Fox would support milking whatever is left of the Ripley character.
There are a some days between Aliens and Alien 3 to fit that story. Surely Ripley just lost her memories of those events when she went back to cryosleep.
Quote from: David's Creation on Apr 07, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
So he seeks revenge, boards the Sulaco, and places an egg above the cryotubes.
There are a some days between Aliens and Alien 3 to fit that story. Surely Ripley just lost her memories of those events when she went back to cryosleep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 07, 2019, 10:29:12 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 07, 2019, 10:29:12 PM
Maybe David was the one in Hicks' cryotube after all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 07, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 07, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
I was just considering someone else boarding the Sulaco and planting the egg there. I haven't really seen that idea brought up. I was wondering who would have the motivation and/or ability to do that and I think David could make sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 07, 2019, 11:15:35 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 07, 2019, 11:15:35 PM
The idea itself I just can't believe, nor narratively or thematically would the recontextualisation be appropriate or benefit the films.
(My opinion of course.)
(My opinion of course.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 07, 2019, 10:22:45 PMQuote from: David's Creation on Apr 07, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
So he seeks revenge, boards the Sulaco, and places an egg above the cryotubes.
There are a some days between Aliens and Alien 3 to fit that story. Surely Ripley just lost her memories of those events when she went back to cryosleep.
Makes more sense than Out of the Shadows did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 07, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 07, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
Quote from: David's Creation on Apr 07, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
I was just considering someone else boarding the Sulaco and planting the egg there. I haven't really seen that idea brought up. I was wondering who would have the motivation and/or ability to do that and I think David could make sense.
David could be the one behind the events on ACM. Clearly he transfered his mind on all the Michael Weyland androids, using that to influence WY. Taking over the Sulaco and planting eggs there. The colonists on the USS Legato are actually the Covenant's colonists, which David kept on standby cryo all those years to be used as hosts at the right moment. Ever noticed how we never saw the face of the girl we play on Stasis Interrupted? Because they planned it to be Daniels... oh and Turk is Tennessee.
Ha Randy and Ridley have been planning this all long, the true puppet masters of the Aliens series, making all the entries fit together, everything makes sense now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2019, 11:42:33 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2019, 11:42:33 PM
Still makes more sense than Out of the Shadows did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 07, 2019, 11:44:35 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 07, 2019, 11:44:35 PM
Or ACM remains non-canon, (& The Titan Alien & AVP Novel Trilogies) the correct decision.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2019, 08:18:02 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2019, 08:18:02 AM
Quote from: David's Creation on Apr 07, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
What if David is still around during the original trilogy era, using engineer tech to spread his creatures wherever he can.
After the events of Aliens, he gets wind of how many of his babies Ripley and co. wiped out on LV-426. (Maybe he's somehow able to monitor the situation through Bishop.)
So he seeks revenge, boards the Sulaco, and places an egg above the cryotubes.
Imagine if Alien: Awakening managed to tastefully pull that off.
That sounds almost as bad as the God-awful "Hicks is alive!" workaround they tried with ACM, which is about the worst plot beat I can ever remember seeing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 08, 2019, 08:27:39 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 08, 2019, 08:27:39 AM
Jesus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
I'm sorry, but every single fan workaround I've ever heard to try and explain the beginning of the third film has just been terrible and nonsensical.
Some things just don't have a logical explanation. If they did, there wouldn't be 190 pages in this thread.
Some things just don't have a logical explanation. If they did, there wouldn't be 190 pages in this thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 08, 2019, 08:46:38 AM
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 08, 2019, 08:46:38 AM
K.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 08, 2019, 09:25:27 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 08, 2019, 09:25:27 AM
Agree. Aliens have no way to Alien 3.
Btw, at the end of Aliens credits I hear a suspicious rustling. ;D But most likely it's just noise and it has nothing to do with Alien 3.
Btw, at the end of Aliens credits I hear a suspicious rustling. ;D But most likely it's just noise and it has nothing to do with Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Russ on Apr 08, 2019, 09:25:30 AM
Post by: Russ on Apr 08, 2019, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 07, 2019, 11:42:33 PM
Makes more sense than Out of the Shadows did.
This should be your signature. Or even Local Trouble: Making more sense that "Out of the Shadows" did.
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 08, 2019, 09:25:27 AM
Agree. Aliens have no way to Alien 3.
Btw, at the end of Aliens credits I hear a suspicious rustling. ;D But most likely it's just noise and it has nothing to do with Alien 3.
I think it was SM that told me that on here - If I remember, Cameron did that as a "goof." But still... It does kind of put to bed the "there were no facehuggers" thing for Alien3 advocates.
I choose not to accept it, but if there's an argument for "how a facehugger got on the Sulaco" - that's the strongest one there is for me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 08, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
It was intentional, but Cameron never said he meant there was a facehugger on the Sulaco. It fits nicely though. :)
Some have merit and are neither terrible nor nonsensical.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 08, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
I'm sorry, but every single fan workaround I've ever heard to try and explain the beginning of the third film has just been terrible and nonsensical.
Some things just don't have a logical explanation. If they did, there wouldn't be 190 pages in this thread.
Some have merit and are neither terrible nor nonsensical.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 11:46:18 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 11:46:18 AM
Just think. Once Linda Hamilton kicks ass in Terminator, Cameron will get his way, Alien3 will be retconned out by Disnox and we'll no longer need to have this debate! ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 01:01:14 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 01:01:14 PM
And if Terminator Dark Fate fails?
Two theories have merit, the stowaway/dream ovomorph theory and the biomass theory.
Two theories have merit, the stowaway/dream ovomorph theory and the biomass theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 01:01:14 PM
And if Terminator Dark Fate fails?
Terminator is the standard-bearer for quality franchises!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Highland on Apr 08, 2019, 01:14:36 PM
Post by: Highland on Apr 08, 2019, 01:14:36 PM
Terminator vs Aliens.
(Vs RoboCop)
Why can't the queen just lay another egg like a chicken. I'm pretty sure I brought that up before ,( 8 years ago)
(Vs RoboCop)
Why can't the queen just lay another egg like a chicken. I'm pretty sure I brought that up before ,( 8 years ago)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 01:39:54 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 01:39:54 PM
Because Ripley's no idiot, a rudimentary search happened.
The stowaway(s) is mobile for sure.
Or just the biomass, creating a ovomorph theory's true.
(Unlikely.)
The stowaway(s) is mobile for sure.
Or just the biomass, creating a ovomorph theory's true.
(Unlikely.)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2016, 12:40:50 AM
My ooze theory, supported by the W-Y.R.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 08, 2019, 01:56:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 08, 2019, 01:56:08 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 01:01:14 PMTwo theories have merit, the stowaway/dream ovomorph theory and the biomass theory.
Biomass theory? ???
I take it you prefer "biomass" over "ooze" in the same way you prefer "the pathogen" over "black goo."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Highland on Apr 08, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Post by: Highland on Apr 08, 2019, 03:03:12 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 01:39:54 PM
Because Ripley's no idiot, a rudimentary search happened.
The stowaway(s) is mobile for sure.
Or just the biomass, creating a ovomorph theory's true.
(Unlikely.)
She searched the ship for an Egg but not a Facehugger. Is she really that smart. She's got gear right there that tells her.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 08, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 08, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 08, 2019, 03:00:58 PM
I take it you prefer "biomass" over "ooze" in the same way you prefer "the pathogen" over "black goo."
Alien goo > ooze
Space goo > black goo
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 03:06:24 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 03:06:24 PM
Official designation > All.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 03:07:52 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 03:07:52 PM
Pathogoo
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
Yeah Pathogen > "Black Goo"
And the difference is, a Egg is immobile, a Facehugger is mobile and the Sulaco is enormous.
Anyway...
Local Trouble's around.
And the difference is, a Egg is immobile, a Facehugger is mobile and the Sulaco is enormous.
Anyway...
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 12, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Fantastic fanfiction is but fanfiction. (Organic Growth)
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E, Bishop's responsible, ACM's responsible- e.g.
The truth's the truth.
(Old One's post.)
No fancanon requisite:Quote from: The Old One
Page 170.
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.
Local Trouble's around.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 03:24:12 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 08, 2019, 03:24:12 PM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 08, 2019, 03:29:32 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 08, 2019, 03:29:32 PM
Space Pathogooze.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 08, 2019, 03:32:19 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 08, 2019, 03:32:19 PM
Quote from: Highland on Apr 08, 2019, 03:03:12 PMShe searched the ship for an Egg but not a Facehugger. Is she really that smart. She's got gear right there that tells her.
The so-called biomass theory also works partially because the egg would be so tiny during the time of Ripley's theoretical search.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 03:54:20 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 03:54:20 PM
Indeed.
Spoiler
Regardless of being a Deus Ex Machina.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Highland on Apr 09, 2019, 02:14:59 AM
Post by: Highland on Apr 09, 2019, 02:14:59 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 08, 2019, 03:32:19 PMQuote from: Highland on Apr 08, 2019, 03:03:12 PMShe searched the ship for an Egg but not a Facehugger. Is she really that smart. She's got gear right there that tells her.
The so-called biomass theory also works partially because the egg would be so tiny during the time of Ripley's theoretical search.
I'm not even Gona ask.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 09, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 09, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
It's a decent theory, supported by the W-YR, the idea the Alien left a microscopic ovomorph, grown from Aliens to Alien³ -the thing holding it back is, it's effectively a Deus Ex Machina. Within the context of the three films.
Narratively it's always a Deus Ex Machina regardless of sequels/prequels/EU.
Whereas the idea the opening is Ripley's nightmare and the stowaways are just 1 or 2 Facehuggers, is supported by the script and the film's dialogue.
Narratively it's always a Deus Ex Machina regardless of sequels/prequels/EU.
Whereas the idea the opening is Ripley's nightmare and the stowaways are just 1 or 2 Facehuggers, is supported by the script and the film's dialogue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2019, 10:54:35 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2019, 10:54:35 PM
How about now?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 20, 2019, 10:59:31 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Apr 20, 2019, 10:59:31 PM
How come this thread never received a sticky?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Apr 20, 2019, 11:15:08 PM
Post by: Stitch on Apr 20, 2019, 11:15:08 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 20, 2019, 10:59:31 PMDoes it need one? It sticks around enough, anyway.
How come this thread never received a sticky?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 20, 2019, 11:15:15 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 20, 2019, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 09, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
It's a decent theory, supported by the W-YR, the idea the Alien left a microscopic ovomorph, grown from Aliens to Alien³ -the thing holding it back is, it's effectively a Deus Ex Machina.
Whereas the idea the opening is Ripley's nightmare and the stowaways are just 1 or 2 Facehuggers, is supported by the script and the film's dialogue.
There are some tiny ovomorphs at David's lab.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 20, 2019, 11:15:15 PMQuote from: The Old One on Apr 09, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
It's a decent theory, supported by the W-YR, the idea the Alien left a microscopic ovomorph, grown from Aliens to Alien³ -the thing holding it back is, it's effectively a Deus Ex Machina.
Whereas the idea the opening is Ripley's nightmare and the stowaways are just 1 or 2 Facehuggers, is supported by the script and the film's dialogue.
There are some tiny ovomorphs at David's lab.
I was wondering when his little deathcorns would get a mention.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 21, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 21, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2018, 12:57:21 PM
See this?
Proof of concept.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:06:30 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:06:30 AM
Hopefully the comic book and audio drama adaptations of Gibson's script will warm folks up to the ooze theory so we can finally achieve consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 24, 2019, 12:14:18 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 24, 2019, 12:14:18 AM
Will it be canon though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:21:42 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:21:42 AM
That's another discussion worth having.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:39:45 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:39:45 AM
Would you shut the f**k up?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:41:02 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:41:02 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:41:48 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:41:48 AM
Classier than your dumb ass repeating the same shit for the past seven years.
The same obnoxious nonsense, probably gone through clinical trials specifically designed to irritate people with endless repetition.
The same obnoxious nonsense, probably gone through clinical trials specifically designed to irritate people with endless repetition.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2019, 12:44:26 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2019, 12:44:26 AM
Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
uncalled for
uncalled for
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:46:27 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:46:27 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 24, 2019, 12:41:48 AM
Classier than your dumb ass repeating the same shit for the past seven years.
The same obnoxious nonsense, probably gone through clinical trials specifically designed to irritate people with endless repetition.
Apparently you're not a part of the control group.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:46:34 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:46:34 AM
I really don't think it is uncalled for, have a look at the post history, hell have a look at this thread and you'll notice a pattern.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:48:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:48:01 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 24, 2019, 12:46:34 AM
I really don't think it is uncalled for, have a look at the post history, hell have a look at this thread and you'll notice a pattern.
Yes, do. You should also report me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2019, 12:49:16 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2019, 12:49:16 AM
I've been around for many years so no need to look at his history. Nothing worth throwing insults over.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 24, 2019, 12:49:59 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 24, 2019, 12:49:59 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:50:15 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:50:15 AM
Ah, what's the point? We all know what happens, at least those of us that have been here long enough do. Certain people get preferential treatment and they get a pass and others misdeeds get them banned completely over nearly nothing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:55:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:55:34 AM
Blaming the board admins? That's a bold move. Let's see if it pays off.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2019, 12:56:17 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2019, 12:56:17 AM
Speaking of repeating old subjects. ::)
People can be annoying and agitators or even silly GIF spammers but if you don't keep it civil then...
People can be annoying and agitators or even silly GIF spammers but if you don't keep it civil then...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:56:32 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:56:32 AM
Hey, if this POS thread has claimed another soul so be it.
Plenty were civil and got banned over it, here's to you Rec board crew.
Plenty were civil and got banned over it, here's to you Rec board crew.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Jun 24, 2019, 12:57:01 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jun 24, 2019, 12:57:01 AM
The egg is on the Sulaco.
It's staying there.
Deal with it. :P
-Windebieste.
It's staying there.
Deal with it. :P
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 01:03:12 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 01:03:12 AM
Are you saying it wasn't a dream egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 24, 2019, 01:26:01 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 24, 2019, 01:26:01 AM
Oh lord, it's ALIVE (again)... #thethreadthatneverdies
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 01:44:55 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 01:44:55 AM
Unfortunately.
Some people really do believe,
jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
Someone said "Egg on the Sulaco" three times in the mirror, three times the terror indeed.
And someone always does their best, to misinterpret a clear refutation.
Some people really do believe,
jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
Someone said "Egg on the Sulaco" three times in the mirror, three times the terror indeed.
And someone always does their best, to misinterpret a clear refutation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:22:46 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:22:46 AM
:laugh: @ "clear refutation"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:25:46 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:25:46 AM
:laugh: @ You proving my point effortlessly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:27:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:27:43 AM
You made a point?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:28:54 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:28:54 AM
Yeah, I did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 24, 2019, 02:29:20 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 24, 2019, 02:29:20 AM
Relax.
Bishop did it.
But, during Ripley's cryogenic dreams though.
Bishop did it.
But, during Ripley's cryogenic dreams though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:30:20 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:30:20 AM
Bishop floats?!
That's almost as good as a "growing egg" asspull!
That's almost as good as a "growing egg" asspull!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:33:21 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:33:21 AM
It's called the Ooze Theory. I didn't realize it was so upsetting though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:34:38 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:34:38 AM
Willful ignorance is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:38:18 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:38:18 AM
I have yet to see a point made by you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:41:48 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:41:48 AM
That wouldn't surprise me, as I said- willful ignorance.
I remember, something about your theory being fanfiction, and essentially all of them but the dream one being completely unfounded because within the film's narrative itself there's absolutely no indication from the dialogue or anything.
I remember, something about your theory being fanfiction, and essentially all of them but the dream one being completely unfounded because within the film's narrative itself there's absolutely no indication from the dialogue or anything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:49:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:49:41 AM
That's not a "clear refutation" of anything. Moreover, this thread was started by the site owner about six years before you even registered here. Who are you to decide anything?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:52:14 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 02:52:14 AM
No one of importance, but that doesn't mean anything.
My conclusion is correct regardless, it's the only one supported within the film's story.
My conclusion is correct regardless, it's the only one supported within the film's story.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 02:52:40 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 02:52:40 AM
Yeah, I do agree the dream is the only one with merit within the film's narrative.
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 08, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
A Egg is immobile, a Facehugger is mobile and the Spaceship is enormous.Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Mar 12, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
Fantastic fanfiction is but fanfiction. (Organic Growth)
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E/A.I/ACM- etcetera.Quote from: The Old One
It was the intention during shooting that it was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers
that hitched a ride and waited until the humans were at their most vulnerable.
(The Facehuggers obviously ran for the hills when the airlock opened, under a grating- inside a vent and voilà.
When the Facehuggers return, the crew's in cryosleep.)
The egg was a studio insert, from the mentality that "these things have to come from an egg" creating a needless point of contention.
One that we're still discussing, if you don't care about the way the film should have been edited together being the real explanation;
Then in order to take it at face value, with it being in a place it couldn't possibly be. I only have this to say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
+ Dream-like opening, Dream-like ending.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:53:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:53:14 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 24, 2019, 02:52:14 AM
No one of importance, but that doesn't mean anything.
My conclusion is correct, refute it or don't.
Concession accepted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 02:57:46 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 02:57:46 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jun 24, 2019, 02:41:48 AM
That wouldn't surprise me, as I said- willful ignorance.
I remember, something about your theory being fanfiction, and essentially all of them but the dream one being completely unfounded because within the film's narrative itself there's absolutely no indication from the dialogue or anything.
All theories are fan fiction. There's no need to be a dick about it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 03:12:22 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 03:12:22 AM
Except the only one supported by the film is on a tier above the rest. Because retroactive continuity from an outside source isn't nearly as important as the content of the film.
I'm sure that's a sensible conclusion from everyone's perspective.
I'm sure that's a sensible conclusion from everyone's perspective.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 03:15:55 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 03:15:55 AM
All things considered the 'ooze' theory has merit.
But perhaps you should ask everyone for their perspective?
But perhaps you should ask everyone for their perspective?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 03:21:30 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 03:21:30 AM
We've heard everyone's perspective.
And I've discussed each one before in earnest with consideration, but "it's a dream opening"
is the only one that doesn't require a fifteen minute exploration.
My vote? Lock the thread.
And I've discussed each one before in earnest with consideration, but "it's a dream opening"
is the only one that doesn't require a fifteen minute exploration.
Spoiler
Although the "ooze" theory's got a certain appeal for the fan in me,
as one ooze deposit means one Egg, means one Facehugger,
which means the 2010 Special Edition's definitely canon.
But it's a retcon from a coffee table book, (no offense, I love the book myself)
and the dream theory means you get to choose between all three versions as it remains ambiguous.
as one ooze deposit means one Egg, means one Facehugger,
which means the 2010 Special Edition's definitely canon.
But it's a retcon from a coffee table book, (no offense, I love the book myself)
and the dream theory means you get to choose between all three versions as it remains ambiguous.
[close]
My vote? Lock the thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 03:52:12 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 03:52:12 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 03:21:30 AM
We've heard everyone's perspective.
So far. Who knows what the future will bring? What about the people who sign up tomorrow or next month or next year and want to weigh in on this frequently discussed topic?
Locking this thread solves nothing. If it did, I think they would have done so years ago.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 03:59:44 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 03:59:44 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 03:21:30 AM
We've heard everyone's perspective.
You haven't heard my perspective on the topic, but considering a few here have turned this thread into a war zone and I'm on my last free parking pass from the corporal, I best just sit back and . . .
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 04:20:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 04:20:26 AM
You've been here an awfully long time for someone that's never given their perspective. What's the hold up?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 04:47:11 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 04:47:11 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 04:20:26 AM
You've been here an awfully long time for someone that's never given their perspective. What's the hold up?
Actually, way back around 2008 I posted my theory on my site along with images to demonstrate it. However, a member here took my theory, even used my images and posted it early in this thread, he was praised by other members for presenting a 'great theory.'
Apparently he didn't notice I had it featured in my "The Lighter Side of Alien" - alien associated joke pages. :laugh:
I won't mention his name so he can maintain his showers of praise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 04:48:28 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 04:48:28 AM
Is it the one with the royal facehugger carrying the egg on its back?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 04:53:46 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 04:53:46 AM
Yes, the 'hermit crab' theory. :laugh: I had no idea a joke theory I made over a decade ago would grow into a 'great theory.' The power of the internets. Hey, all in fun.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:01:25 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:01:25 AM
I saw it and replied to it, but the one who posted it admitted that he didn't come up with it.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1833411#msg1833411
Maybe you're referring to someone who did it earlier than that though.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1833411#msg1833411
Maybe you're referring to someone who did it earlier than that though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 05:16:20 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 05:16:20 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:01:25 AM
I saw it and replied to it, but the one who posted it admitted that he didn't come up with it.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1833411#msg1833411
Maybe you're referring to someone who did it earlier than that though.
Wow, you found it. It's been long ago since I last looked at it, but that must be it. I never said anything to him about taking it because while it was truly a original thought on my part, I had read somewhere that theory has actually been floated around long before I posted it over a decade ago.
I had no idea at the time I created that joke page, there were fans who were taking that theory seriously. Actually, I still have it posted in my "Lighter Side of Alien" section......
http://scifimoviezone.com/avpalien05.shtml (http://scifimoviezone.com/avpalien05.shtml)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 05:22:22 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 05:22:22 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:01:25 AM
I saw it and replied to it, but the one who posted it admitted that he didn't come up with it.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=9.msg1833411#msg1833411
Maybe you're referring to someone who did it earlier than that though.
Ye gods...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:27:19 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:27:19 AM
I can't tell if SM likes it or not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 05:29:55 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 05:29:55 AM
Go back and read my response.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:35:36 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 05:35:36 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39:53 PMThis whole carrying the egg around on a super-huggers back is terribly silly.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2014, 10:58:50 PMQuoteSo you say. I however don't think it's silly at all.
But I do and that's more important.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 05:47:10 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 24, 2019, 05:47:10 AM
Five years and it still kills.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 05:50:44 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 05:50:44 AM
I thought my concluding paragraph on that page made it obvious my hermit crab theory was a joke, not to mention the page title reads, "The Lighter Side of Alien." Apparently it wasn't obvious.
I was going to share my latest Alien3 "Irrawaddy dolphin theory" regarding the mysterious egg....... But not now!
I was going to share my latest Alien3 "Irrawaddy dolphin theory" regarding the mysterious egg....... But not now!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 07:37:38 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 07:37:38 AM
Thanks for letting me wake up to this, folk. It's greatly appreciated and a fantastic way to start my week off! Here's the thing. This will forever be a topic of discussion. It's that simple. If you don't like that, then don't stick your nose in.
Local, give out with the trolling. I know it's low key trolling and that's why I've never really had issue with it, but my blood pressure can't handle you triggering other people like that.
And that said, if you find yourself being bothered, then don't get involved. Report the posts please. If someone is bothering enough other people, it does get noticed. I'm more bothered by people flipping out than just having little jokes. Erik, please consider this a final warning. No more outbursts.
Local, give out with the trolling. I know it's low key trolling and that's why I've never really had issue with it, but my blood pressure can't handle you triggering other people like that.
And that said, if you find yourself being bothered, then don't get involved. Report the posts please. If someone is bothering enough other people, it does get noticed. I'm more bothered by people flipping out than just having little jokes. Erik, please consider this a final warning. No more outbursts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:12:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:12:43 AM
Yeah, sorry about the early morning headache. I can only visualize your reaction upon reading the thread like so...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 08:19:59 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 08:19:59 AM
I'm also looking for "I'll stop doing it."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:39:32 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:39:32 AM
Before I say that, are you referring to this post?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 12:06:30 AMHopefully the comic book and audio drama adaptations of Gibson's script will warm folks up to the ooze theory so we can finally achieve consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 08:41:38 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 08:41:38 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
No need for that. I won't post anymore.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 08:50:30 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 08:50:30 AM
I'm just asking you to stop deliberately winding people up. That's all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 09:07:53 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 09:07:53 AM
That's fair. I take it you're referring more to my responses than my initial post anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 24, 2019, 09:24:13 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 24, 2019, 09:24:13 AM
If people are really that bothered by this thread being endlessly revived, could they not just... unfollow it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:37:12 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 24, 2019, 12:37:12 PM
It's the "finally achieve consensus" thing, as if that's a reasonable goal and not the epitome of you internationally winding everyone up.
You know it's a ridiculous statement and yet you continue. And you're not actually contributing anything new, as far as I'm concerned you might as well just be upping your post count. We already know what everyone, especially you think on the subject.
Please stop resurrecting it and essentially saying "Oh yeah, guess what? I still think my theory is right."
You know it's a ridiculous statement and yet you continue. And you're not actually contributing anything new, as far as I'm concerned you might as well just be upping your post count. We already know what everyone, especially you think on the subject.
Please stop resurrecting it and essentially saying "Oh yeah, guess what? I still think my theory is right."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 12:38:20 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 12:38:20 PM
Yeah... It's going on the ignore list for myself.
For anyone wondering about the answer to OP's question:
For anyone wondering about the answer to OP's question:
Spoiler
Turn to page one hundred and ninety four.
Reply #2895
Reply #2895
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 24, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
Let's leave it at: if you dislike the conversation, don't get involved. If you want to irritate people, don't. Let's not continue this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
No need for that. I won't post anymore.
Bye, everyone.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 24, 2019, 03:02:55 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jun 24, 2019, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:53:29 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
No need for that. I won't post anymore.
Bye, everyone.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 04:18:44 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 04:18:44 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 12:38:20 PM
Yeah... It's going on the ignore list for myself.
I didn't know you could put a thread on ignore. I'll have to check that out, go thru the thread feed and put all Adam Sandler threads on ignore.
Edit: There it is. On every page "Ignore Topic". LOL. Good grief, I should relinquish my driver's license.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 24, 2019, 05:10:22 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 24, 2019, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 04:18:44 PMQuote from: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 12:38:20 PM
Yeah... It's going on the ignore list for myself.
I didn't know you could put a thread on ignore. I'll have to check that out, go thru the thread feed and put all Adam Sandler threads on ignore.
Edit: There it is. On every page "Ignore Topic". LOL. Good grief, I should relinquish my driver's license.
Never done it deliberately, but I've accidentally ignored topics/users on a surprising number of occasions... :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 24, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 02:53:29 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
No need for that. I won't post anymore.
Bye, everyone.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jun 24, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
If so, hopefully elsewhere.
The thread's no good for anyone's mental health. lol
Consensus achieved I guess. :)
Dream/nightmare and Stowaway(s) it is.
The thread's no good for anyone's mental health. lol
Consensus achieved I guess. :)
Dream/nightmare and Stowaway(s) it is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 16, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 16, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
Might as well add my own 2 cents seeing as I've never posted on this particular thread -
Ahem....I don't believe the egg (nor the facehuggers, or indeed the Ripley & Co. that were seen in ALIEN 3 either) was ever actually on the good ship Sulaco in the first place, due to the fact that I choose to look on the whole of ALIEN 3 as merely being a fevered 'cryo-sleep nightmare' which Ripley had on her safe journey home.
And then she had another in the shape of ALIEN RESURRECTION not too long after that....
Ahem....I don't believe the egg (nor the facehuggers, or indeed the Ripley & Co. that were seen in ALIEN 3 either) was ever actually on the good ship Sulaco in the first place, due to the fact that I choose to look on the whole of ALIEN 3 as merely being a fevered 'cryo-sleep nightmare' which Ripley had on her safe journey home.
And then she had another in the shape of ALIEN RESURRECTION not too long after that....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:22:10 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:22:10 PM
The topic's just an endless stream of generous interpretation isn't it?
I don't know another fandom so wound up about trying to discredit a perfectly fine franchise entry through any contrived logic.
I don't know another fandom so wound up about trying to discredit a perfectly fine franchise entry through any contrived logic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:23:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 16, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
Might as well add my own 2 cents seeing as I've never posted on this particular thread -
Ahem....I don't believe the egg (nor the facehuggers, or indeed the Ripley & Co. that were seen in ALIEN 3 either) were ever actually on the good ship Sulaco in the first place, due to the fact that I choose to look on the whole of ALIEN 3 as merely being a fevered 'cryo-sleep nightmare' which Ripley had on her safe journey home.
And then she had another in the shape of ALIEN RESURRECTION not too long after that....
Not a bad idea.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 16, 2019, 10:26:07 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 16, 2019, 10:26:07 PM
Quote from: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 16, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
Might as well add my own 2 cents seeing as I've never posted here on this particular topic -
Ahem....I don't believe the egg (nor the facehuggers, or indeed the Ripley & Co. that were seen in ALIEN 3 either) were ever actually on the good ship Sulaco in the first place, due to the fact that I choose to look on the whole of ALIEN 3 as merely being a fevered 'cryo-sleep nightmare' which Ripley had on her safe journey home.
And then she had another in the shape of ALIEN RESURRECTION not too long after that....
Pretty much the way I see it too, both for the implausibility and because I hate both films. Obviously all 4 films are official canon, but I'm fine with it ending with Aliens in my headcanon. I will say, I haven't seen another thread on here that has sparked so much debate though... :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jul 16, 2019, 10:26:07 PMI will say, I haven't seen another thread on here that has sparked so much debate though... :D
Take a look at this beauty.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49324.0
Good times.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:28:48 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:28:48 PM
I wish you'd kept your word.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:35:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:35:20 PM
You're free to ignore the topic or even ignore me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
When it dies, I will.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 16, 2019, 10:40:40 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 16, 2019, 10:40:40 PM
Oh look what thread is back.
Did they reach concensus though?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:27:23 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Jul 16, 2019, 10:26:07 PMI will say, I haven't seen another thread on here that has sparked so much debate though... :D
Take a look at this beauty.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49324.0
Good times.
Did they reach concensus though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:45:35 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 10:45:35 PM
Yeah.
Film = Good.
Dwayne Hicks and Rebecca Jorden = Dead.
Egg, not on the Sulaco after all.
Film = Good.
Dwayne Hicks and Rebecca Jorden = Dead.
Egg, not on the Sulaco after all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2019, 10:54:00 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 16, 2019, 10:40:40 PM
Did they reach concensus though?
Someday. Someday...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 11:05:18 PM
When the age of men comes crashing down.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jul 17, 2019, 05:33:17 AM
Post by: Stitch on Jul 17, 2019, 05:33:17 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 16, 2019, 10:45:35 PMGiven William Gibson's Alien III has been released, and the egg creation theory in that, it's entirely possible that the egg wasn't on the sulaco, and then it was.
Yeah.
Film = Good.
Dwayne Hicks and Rebecca Jorden = Dead.
Egg, not on the Sulaco after all.
I know it's a non canon EU entry, but in it the egg is formed within Bishop from small particles of the alien left behind when he was impaled by the queen. They then grew into the egg.
Since this is similar in some ways to the black goo from Prometheus and Covenant, retroactively, might it not be possible that the egg grew from unseen particulates from the queen, and that's why it's so stunted?
That means that no, there wasn't an egg, and then yes, there was an egg.
Probably discussed before but it's an option.
Or the egg is a cryo nightmare caused by hearing the sounds of the stowaway facehugger heard at the end of Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:17:54 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:17:54 AM
Valid interpretation, I think; but since a nightmare is actually mentioned during the film's runtime,
I go by that one.
I go by that one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:47:30 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:47:30 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Jul 17, 2019, 05:33:17 AMProbably discussed before but it's an option.
It certainly rings a bell.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:48:45 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:48:45 AM
Yeah, it's almost as if the thread just goes in circles.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:53:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:53:41 AM
It's also as if other people want to weigh in and contribute their opinions from time to time. Like we're all on some kind of message board. Imagine that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:57:15 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:57:15 AM
It's almost as though it doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is because there's already a definitive answer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
:laugh: @ "definitive"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:59:22 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 09:59:22 AM
It is though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jul 17, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
Post by: Stitch on Jul 17, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 09:59:22 AMKinda isn't, to be honest. Yes, the real world reason is because the editor decided to put it in, but that leads to more questions. If it wasn't originally supposed to be in there, why was the prop even made?
It is though. (:
It also doesn't give an in-universe answer to the question.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:11:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:11:58 AM
I'd go for the dream theory so long as we're talking about the whole movie. After all, them cryotubes...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 10:13:35 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 10:13:35 AM
The prop was made for the insert, because idiot test audience teenagers were confused and now we're here discussing it.
The in-universe answer is by process of elimination, because there couldn't possibly be a Egg in that corner- means there isn't.
The cryotubes mean nothing, we've got our answer for them being the way they are, David Fincher preferred the original Alien version of the design and because of the way Alien³ opens, if he had opted to go with the Aliens design he would've been saddled with them for the rest of the film.
The in-universe answer is by process of elimination, because there couldn't possibly be a Egg in that corner- means there isn't.
The cryotubes mean nothing, we've got our answer for them being the way they are, David Fincher preferred the original Alien version of the design and because of the way Alien³ opens, if he had opted to go with the Aliens design he would've been saddled with them for the rest of the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:19:16 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 10:13:35 AMThe in-universe answer is by process of elimination, because there couldn't possibly be a Egg in that corner- means there isn't.
The WYR would seem to indicate otherwise.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 10:13:35 AMThe cryotubes mean nothing, we've got our answer for them being the way they are, David Fincher preferred the original Alien version of the design and because of the way Alien³ opens, if he had opted to go with the Aliens design he would've been saddled with them for the rest of the film.
That's not an in-universe explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 10:26:50 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 10:26:50 AM
It doesn't, it's an outside source and
ultimately irrelevant to the film.
Each film/game whatever, should stand on it's own.
What's the in universe explanation for the various nitpicky changes to the Narcissus between Alien and Aliens?
Or right, there isn't one.
ultimately irrelevant to the film.
Each film/game whatever, should stand on it's own.
What's the in universe explanation for the various nitpicky changes to the Narcissus between Alien and Aliens?
Or right, there isn't one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 17, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 17, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
The whole of Alien 3 being a nightmare is pure fanfiction and undermines the hard work that was put into making this movie by the crew against all odds. Alien 3 is canon by Fox/Disney and it seems it's gonna stay like that for quite some time, as it should IMO.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 17, 2019, 10:42:52 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 17, 2019, 10:42:52 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
:laugh: @ "definitive"
Indeed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:47:20 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:47:20 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 10:26:50 AM
What's the in universe explanation for the various nitpicky changes to the Narcissus between Alien and Aliens?
I never noticed any so why do I need to explain them?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 17, 2019, 11:06:22 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 17, 2019, 11:06:22 AM
What about the fact someone completely repainted the outside of the Sulaco between the second and third films?
And were they the same people who switched out all the cryotubes for totally different models?
:P
And were they the same people who switched out all the cryotubes for totally different models?
:P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 11:14:04 AM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 11:14:04 AM
Exactly my point, but whether you noticed it or otherwise is completely arbitrary.
It doesn't require a explanation in any case, it's just an aesthetic change.
And just because you don't like the answer doesn't suddenly mean it isn't definitive.
It's kinda hypocritical of you, for instance arguing -David is the creator and no room for interpretation exists but when given an answer you don't like you'll scream and flail your hands and feet like the rest of 'em.
It doesn't require a explanation in any case, it's just an aesthetic change.
And just because you don't like the answer doesn't suddenly mean it isn't definitive.
It's kinda hypocritical of you, for instance arguing -David is the creator and no room for interpretation exists but when given an answer you don't like you'll scream and flail your hands and feet like the rest of 'em.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 17, 2019, 12:55:03 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 17, 2019, 12:55:03 PM
So.
Cryotubes.
Magic Egg.
Sulaco colors.
Ripley's hallucinations.
Ripley's transmission from Nostromo.
Yep. It's cryo-nightmare.
Cryotubes.
Magic Egg.
Sulaco colors.
Ripley's hallucinations.
Ripley's transmission from Nostromo.
Yep. It's cryo-nightmare.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
Hallucination?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:00:09 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:00:09 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 11:14:04 AM"David is the creator" is something one of the films actively tried to establish through dialogue and action in the movie.
It doesn't require a explanation in any case, it's just an aesthetic change.
And just because you don't like the answer doesn't suddenly mean it isn't definitive.
It's kinda hypocritical of you, for instance arguing -David is the creator and no room for interpretation exists but when given an answer you don't like you'll scream and flail your hands and feet like the rest of 'em.
How the egg got onboard is never actively established in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
But it is Ripley directly says she had a nightmare. And Aliens has the credits scuttle.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:01:43 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:01:43 PM
Film never says her nightmare is what we saw in the opening, though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 17, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 17, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
Hallucination?
When Ripley sees Alien, but it's a pipe with lice inside.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:10:06 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:10:06 PM
Yes, and David never says "I created the Alien" but it heavily implies it through action and dialogue, "I've found perfection here, I've created it." Etcetera.
"I had a terrible nightmare in cryosleep,
I have to be sure what happened."
And I believe as someone else said before both the opening and ending is given a dreamlike quality surrounding the EEV with the transmission.
And that's not a Hallucination Drukathi,
the Alien just moved. Occam's razor.
"I had a terrible nightmare in cryosleep,
I have to be sure what happened."
And I believe as someone else said before both the opening and ending is given a dreamlike quality surrounding the EEV with the transmission.
And that's not a Hallucination Drukathi,
the Alien just moved. Occam's razor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:13:02 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 01:10:06 PMDavid explains his entire process.
Yes, and David never says "I created the Alien" but it heavily implies it through action and dialogue, "I've found perfection here, I've created it." Etcetera.
Ripley says she had a "terrible nightmare" without explaining what the nightmare was. It could've been anything.
They're not analogous at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:20:35 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:20:35 PM
You really think it's a coincidence that the opening essentially showed something, that couldn't possibly be reality and Ripley recalls a nightmare later on?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 01:20:35 PMThe film makes zero effort to connect Ripley's line with the opening, so yes.
You really think it's a coincidence that the opening essentially showed something, that couldn't possibly be reality and Ripley recalls a nightmare later on?
The filmmakers didn't sit there thinking "Let's show something whacky and impossible!" They tried to show how the Alien got to the planet, which was missing from the film originally. They intended it to be literal.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:26:54 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:26:54 PM
I don't think the line has no connective tissue to the opening. I think it's direct.
And I don't see why intention is relevant.
And I don't see why intention is relevant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:34:27 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:34:27 PM
"I had a nightmare" =/= "I had a nightmare [that was suspiciously similar to what you saw at the beginning of the movie]".
"I had a nightmare" is suggestive, not definitive.
"I had a nightmare" is suggestive, not definitive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 11:14:04 AMIt's kinda hypocritical of you, for instance arguing -David is the creator and no room for interpretation exists but when given an answer you don't like you'll scream and flail your hands and feet like the rest of 'em.
Was that directed at me? ???
Quote from: Drukathi on Jul 17, 2019, 12:55:03 PM
So.
Cryotubes.
Magic Egg.
Sulaco colors.
Ripley's hallucinations.
Ripley's transmission from Nostromo.
Yep. It's cryo-nightmare.
Pretty definitive.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 01:10:06 PM
And that's not a Hallucination Drukathi,
the Alien just moved. Occam's razor.
While she was staring directly at it? ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:45:24 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:45:24 PM
Only partially.
And she closes her eyes when she jabs at it.
In light of the Egg being in a place it couldn't possibly be, I'd say with the information you're given solely by the film it's a tad more than suggestion.
And she closes her eyes when she jabs at it.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:34:27 PM
"I had a nightmare" =/= "I had a nightmare [that was suspiciously similar to what you saw at the beginning of the movie]".
"I had a nightmare" is suggestive, not definitive.
In light of the Egg being in a place it couldn't possibly be, I'd say with the information you're given solely by the film it's a tad more than suggestion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Where is the egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 01:45:24 PM
Only partially.
And she closes her eyes when she jabs at it.
And...what? It teleported to the ceiling pipes behind her and left a vaguely alien-shaped pipe in its place? :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:57:52 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 01:57:52 PM
I mean, it did in Dead Orbit- although Ripley's having constant nosebleeds and I wouldn't be surprised if she has hemorrhaging and did in fact hallucinate the Alien being there, maybe- more likely it's just intended to cheaply fool the audience by showing an Alien there but then saying, nah it wasn't there at all. Doesn't matter what you saw.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:47:07 PMOn the Sulaco apparently, judging by the stenciling right next to it, hidden away in a corner somewhere.
Where is the egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
More likely it's intended to show she hallucinated the Alien was there and only snapped out of it when she whacked the pipe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 01:57:52 PMQuote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 01:47:07 PM
Where is the egg?
On the Sulaco apparently, judging by the stenciling right next to it, hidden away in a corner somewhere.
And there's a perfectly good theory for how it got there. Assuming the whole movie wasn't a dream, that is...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 02:08:25 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 02:08:25 PM
Suggested when within the film?
You only wish the film was a dream and Earth War was the real film lmao.
You only wish the film was a dream and Earth War was the real film lmao.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:10:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:10:30 PM
I never said it was suggested in the film or even declared that it was a prerequisite.
Nah, Earth War sucked. I'd replace Alien 3 with something better than that.
Nah, Earth War sucked. I'd replace Alien 3 with something better than that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 02:14:52 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 02:14:52 PM
But it is a prerequisite? I'm talking about the film, not the W-Y Report, Colonial Marines, Isolation- or whatever else.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 02:15:18 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 02:15:18 PM
Such is the reason I push my particular theory, (Because it's definitive?) No. lol- because it's the only one suggested by the film itself and requires no outside source.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:16:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 02:14:52 PMBut it is a prerequisite? I'm talking about the film, not the W-Y Report, Colonial Marines, Isolation- or whatever else.
So am I. My theory predates the WYR by quite a long time. It doesn't depend on any other outside source to be valid, but it was nice when the WYR supported it after the fact.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 02:29:08 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 02:29:08 PM
Are you like? Trying to be funny or something?
The film doesn't suggest your theory,
I'm talking about the film.
A theory usually requires a source or basis,
without one it hasn't got any logical reason to be considered.
The film doesn't suggest your theory,
I'm talking about the film.
A theory usually requires a source or basis,
without one it hasn't got any logical reason to be considered.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:32:48 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:32:48 PM
So am I. You're the one who keeps insisting that an explanation has to be "suggested in the film" in order to be valid. No one else here is saying that.
And you're perfectly welcome to disagree with it. I'm not the one trying to prop up my theory as "definitive."
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 02:29:08 PMA theory usually requires a source or basis to be considered valid, yours doesn't have one.
And you're perfectly welcome to disagree with it. I'm not the one trying to prop up my theory as "definitive."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
I don't know how to explain it any simpler than I already have.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2019, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 02:39:22 PM
But I mean- you'd have to be a moron or a troll to suggest otherwise? C'mon. If not the flying spaghetti monster put it there is just as valid a theory.
I'm fairly sure you've been warned about being disrespectful or insulting other users in the past. You've been making some comments recently that are putting you back on that radar. I'm not cool with you calling others morons, or generally being rude and acting like you are the Alpha/Omega.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:52:06 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 02:52:06 PM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
Because you're fundamentally incorrect, understandable.
Believe anything you want. If you don't like my theories, I invite you to ignore me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 03:03:05 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 03:03:05 PM
I think I'll do that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
I've been telling you all, but y'all don't listen. The hermit crab theory, man, I'm tellin' ya, it's indisputable.
http://scifimoviezone.com/HermitCrabTheory.mp4 (http://scifimoviezone.com/HermitCrabTheory.mp4)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 03:30:41 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 03:30:41 PM
Genuinely laughing my f**king ass off, best post.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 17, 2019, 03:44:31 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 17, 2019, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
I've been telling you all, but y'all don't listen. The hermit crab theory, man, I'm tellin' ya, it's indisputable.
I like the cargohugger. ;D It also fits perfectly with Cameron's idea of working caste of aliens. They can also infect some hosts and result will be - Alien Runner.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 03:55:22 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 03:55:22 PM
What if an Alien Carrier from Extinction carried the egg onboard, with Facehuggers on it's back?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
I've been telling you all, but y'all don't listen. The hermit crab theory, man, I'm tellin' ya, it's indisputable.
Is that video new or did I just miss it before?
Also: 200 pages now!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 17, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
Cargohugger is best Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 04:28:32 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
I've been telling you all, but y'all don't listen. The hermit crab theory, man, I'm tellin' ya, it's indisputable.http://scifimoviezone.com/HermitCrabTheory.mp4 (http://scifimoviezone.com/HermitCrabTheory.mp4)
Life just finds a way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 04:30:09 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 04:30:09 PM
Stowaways™ sure do...(Edited for clarity)
Spoiler
Yeah, I do agree the "dream opening" idea is the only one with merit within the film's narrative.
A Egg is immobile, a Facehugger is mobile and the Spaceship is enormous.
Fantastic fanfiction is but fanfiction.
(The Organic Growth idea)
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E/A.I/CM- etcetera.
The intention during shooting was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers hitched onboard hidden.
(No Eggs)
(The Facehuggers obviously dispersed when the airlock opened, under a floorboard, a vent and voilà. When the Facehuggers return, cryostasis is active.)
The egg was a studio insert, the mentality:
"The egg is required to understand the opening."
creating needless contention.
If you don't care about the real world reason;
Then within the film at face value, with it's residence as inexplicable as it is. I say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
A Egg is immobile, a Facehugger is mobile and the Spaceship is enormous.
Fantastic fanfiction is but fanfiction.
(The Organic Growth idea)
The rest (fanfiction)'s garbage, E.E/A.I/CM- etcetera.
The intention during shooting was an unclear amount of surviving Facehuggers hitched onboard hidden.
(No Eggs)
(The Facehuggers obviously dispersed when the airlock opened, under a floorboard, a vent and voilà. When the Facehuggers return, cryostasis is active.)
The egg was a studio insert, the mentality:
"The egg is required to understand the opening."
creating needless contention.
If you don't care about the real world reason;
Then within the film at face value, with it's residence as inexplicable as it is. I say;
"I had a terrible dream in cryosleep."
-Ellen Ripley
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jul 17, 2019, 05:28:41 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jul 17, 2019, 05:28:41 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 04:30:09 PMStowaway eggs or facehuggers?
Stowaways™ sure do...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
At least one egg from whence came a facehugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:04:06 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:04:06 PM
Wow, we made it to page 200? Cupcakes for all...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 06:08:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 06:08:39 PM
Much like The Odyssey, it was a grueling journey but it was also filled with high adventure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:17:05 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:17:05 PM
As a way to celebrate we could get an poll updated into this thread so we can vote into any of the theories people created over the years. Darkness? Hicks?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 06:32:24 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 06:32:24 PM
What would we call it when one gets the most votes?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
Consensus? ;D
We can try some poll democracy or let the OP decide.
We can try some poll democracy or let the OP decide.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 17, 2019, 06:37:36 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 17, 2019, 06:37:36 PM
A popular hypothesis to be precise... ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 06:45:28 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 06:45:28 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 09:17:11 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 09:17:11 PM
And if you insist I'm Legion...
Reply #3000
Reply #3000
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:32:17 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:32:17 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:17:05 PM
As a way to celebrate we could get an poll updated into this thread so we can vote into any of the theories people created over the years. Darkness? Hicks?
:laugh:
Darkness and Hicks ain't gonna read through 200 pages of fan theories. Not going to happen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 09:38:57 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 17, 2019, 09:38:57 PM
Unnecessary, only three genuine theories exist.
1. Dream Egg, Stowaway Facehugger(s)
2. The Grown Egg Theory: W-Y Report
3. The Android Betrayal Theory
1. Dream Egg, Stowaway Facehugger(s)
2. The Grown Egg Theory: W-Y Report
Spoiler
/Emergency Egg Theory
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3. The Android Betrayal Theory
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:42:49 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:42:49 PM
Wasn't Spunkmeyer implicated at one point as well?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:44:11 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:44:11 PM
What about #4?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:46:16 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:46:16 PM
We already told you Mr. Jones had neither the opportunity nor the motive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
1. Dream theory. Egg we see on Alien 3 is a dream, a facehugger got on board, maybe taking a ride on the Queen's back.
2. Ooze theory. The Queen shoot some alien goo somewhere that after a while "morphed" into an egg. LT can explain this better.
3. Bishop put the egg there.
4. The Queen can lay an emergency egg without her sack. (in this case its a full egg not something that will become an egg)
5. The hermit crab theory. A facehugger carried the egg on its back.
They are always watching from the darkness. Besides the theories are listed, just need to edit the OP to include a poll for members to vote.
2. Ooze theory. The Queen shoot some alien goo somewhere that after a while "morphed" into an egg. LT can explain this better.
3. Bishop put the egg there.
4. The Queen can lay an emergency egg without her sack. (in this case its a full egg not something that will become an egg)
5. The hermit crab theory. A facehugger carried the egg on its back.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 17, 2019, 09:32:17 PMQuote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 06:17:05 PM
As a way to celebrate we could get an poll updated into this thread so we can vote into any of the theories people created over the years. Darkness? Hicks?
:laugh:
Darkness and Hicks ain't gonna read through 200 pages of fan theories. Not going to happen.
They are always watching from the darkness. Besides the theories are listed, just need to edit the OP to include a poll for members to vote.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:51:05 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:51:05 PM
Quote2. Ooze theory. The Queen shoot some alien goo somewhere that after a while "morphed" into an egg. LT explains this better.
Was that the one about the egg growing out of Bishop's legs?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:39 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
1. Dream theory. Egg we see on Alien 3 is a dream, a facehugger got on board maybe taking a ride on the Queen's back.
What if the whole movie is a dream? I suppose that's an entirely separate theory, but it's definitely compelling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:55 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:55 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 17, 2019, 09:51:05 PMQuote2. Ooze theory. The Queen shoot some alien goo somewhere that after a while "morphed" into an egg. LT explains this better.
Was that the one about the egg growing out of Bishop's legs?
I think it follows the same idea but instead of on Bishop like we saw on Gibson's Alien 3, she threw the goo into a hidden spot on the ship.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:39 PMQuote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
1. Dream theory. Egg we see on Alien 3 is a dream, a facehugger got on board maybe taking a ride on the Queen's back.
What if the whole movie is a dream? I suppose that's an entirely separate theory, but it's definitely compelling.
That's for another thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:26 PM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
5. The hermit crab theory. A facehugger carried the egg on its back.
Don't take that seriously. That's a joke theory I did years ago to create a Lighter Side page for my site.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:26 PMQuote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
5. The hermit crab theory. A facehugger carried the egg on its back.
Don't take that seriously. That's a joke theory I did years ago to create a Lighter Side page for my site.
Too late.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:11:51 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:11:51 PM
Where can we fit Turk into all this?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 10:16:57 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 10:16:57 PM
Oh yeah Stasis Interrupted. Maybe the egg came from the ship Legato. Another theory for the poll.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 17, 2019, 10:18:14 PM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 17, 2019, 10:18:14 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:55 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:39 PMQuote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
1. Dream theory. Egg we see on Alien 3 is a dream, a facehugger got on board maybe taking a ride on the Queen's back.
What if the whole movie is a dream? I suppose that's an entirely separate theory, but it's definitely compelling.
That's for another thread.
Wait, where's that thread? 'Cos the 'It doesn't matter about the egg, as the entire movie is merely one big cryo-dream/nightmare' scenario is the one I want to vote for! ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jul 18, 2019, 12:18:01 AM
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jul 18, 2019, 12:18:01 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:49 PMQuote from: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:26 PMToo late.Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PMDon't take that seriously. That's a joke theory I did years ago to create a Lighter Side page for my site.
5. The hermit crab theory. A facehugger carried the egg on its back.
http://scifimoviezone.com/whatdone.mp4 (http://scifimoviezone.com/whatdone.mp4)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 03:17:28 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 03:17:28 AM
If I had any artistic talent at all, I'd storyboard the Ooze Theory and then maybe it'd gain the same level of acceptance as the Hermit Crab Theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 18, 2019, 08:25:51 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 18, 2019, 08:25:51 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
1. Dream theory. Egg we see on Alien 3 is a dream, a facehugger got on board, maybe taking a ride on the Queen's back.
2. Ooze theory. The Queen shoot some alien goo somewhere that after a while "morphed" into an egg. LT can explain this better.
3. Bishop put the egg there.
4. The Queen can lay an emergency egg without her sack. (in this case its a full egg not something that will become an egg)
5. The hermit crab theory. A facehugger carried the egg on its back.
1. Good. We can even assume that Ripley was infected on LV-426.
2. Good theory. But if we assume this, we also should assume that facehuggers can infect androids (for another thread). Why not?
3. Good. But I think - Bishop should stay like a good guy.
4. No. In any case - it looks far-fetched. Like facehuggers/egg riding on Queen's back.
5. Good.
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jul 17, 2019, 10:10:26 PM
Don't take that seriously. That's a joke theory I did years ago to create a Lighter Side page for my site.
What if a joke theory looks better than "serious" theories?
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:55 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 17, 2019, 09:51:05 PMQuote2. Ooze theory. The Queen shoot some alien goo somewhere that after a while "morphed" into an egg. LT explains this better.
Was that the one about the egg growing out of Bishop's legs?
I think it follows the same idea but instead of on Bishop like we saw on Gibson's Alien 3, she threw the goo into a hidden spot on the ship.Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 09:52:39 PMQuote from: Samhain13 on Jul 17, 2019, 09:49:31 PM
1. Dream theory. Egg we see on Alien 3 is a dream, a facehugger got on board maybe taking a ride on the Queen's back.
What if the whole movie is a dream? I suppose that's an entirely separate theory, but it's definitely compelling.
That's for another thread.
It is definitely needed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2019, 08:35:03 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2019, 08:35:03 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jul 18, 2019, 08:25:51 AM3. Good. But I think - Bishop should stay like a good guy.
The Bishop theory isn't good. He simply wouldn't have had the time to do it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2019, 10:11:51 PMWhere can we fit Turk into all this?
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2019, 09:01:25 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2019, 09:01:25 AM
Tell you all what, give me the options with links to posts relating to the less known ones so I can see if they're worth adding, and we'll get a V2 thread opened with the poll.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2019, 09:02:50 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 18, 2019, 09:02:50 AM
The egg train rolls on!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2019, 09:33:29 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2019, 09:33:29 AM
I don't see it ever really ending. lol It's just what people prefer to use as their explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 18, 2019, 11:52:46 AM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 18, 2019, 11:52:46 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2019, 09:33:29 AM
I don't see it ever really ending. lol It's just what people prefer to use as their explanation.
The latter is the correct solution, and the former is equally true. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 18, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 18, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Didn't Ripley get face hugged in the medlab for about the same time as that army dude in Covenant?
Like the hugger could of "tossed" its egg into her open mouth as she was gasping?
She wouldn't of had any clue she was swallowing the egg due to the fire suppression water dripping into her mouth.
Like the hugger could of "tossed" its egg into her open mouth as she was gasping?
She wouldn't of had any clue she was swallowing the egg due to the fire suppression water dripping into her mouth.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 18, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 18, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 18, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Like the hugger could of "tossed" its egg into her open mouth as she was gasping?
We have never seen facehugger's "tube" in this scene (like in Lope's scene). But, I think it's possible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 07:22:54 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 07:22:54 PM
Covenant makes it retroactively possible. Just like the deleted scene of impregnated Burke in Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 18, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 18, 2019, 07:41:49 PM
Operative word.
Deleted.
Deleted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 07:45:13 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 07:45:13 PM
Doesn't need to be deleted anymore. It works now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 18, 2019, 08:52:34 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jul 18, 2019, 08:52:34 PM
How about Ripley 8? She definitely got facehugger. Even more than Lope.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 09:00:04 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 18, 2019, 09:00:04 PM
Indeed.
If they wanted to, Alien 5 could have it bursting out of Ripley 8's chest only to have her to survive it and eventually heal while the aliens infest Earth. Thanks, Ridley!
If they wanted to, Alien 5 could have it bursting out of Ripley 8's chest only to have her to survive it and eventually heal while the aliens infest Earth. Thanks, Ridley!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 19, 2019, 01:19:13 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 19, 2019, 01:19:13 PM
The problem is that facehuggers couldn't do that before, it needed hours to implant whatever it was that it implanted. Egg, tumor or as of recently Plagiarus praepotens.
Unfortunately newer information does tend to override old. It does cause some issues however, like that Marachuk should have then already been implanted with a chestburster as well as the other poor sod who was also killed during the removal surgery, it should have been too late. Also then those two huggers should not have been alive to attack Ripley and Newt.
Ripley 8 would almost certainly been implanted as she was exposed to the facehugger longer than Lope was, though we don't know if it got the tube in or not. Though speaking of, that is an odd case for Lope because the tube wasn't even down his throat, evidence by how he was clearly able to shout "get it off me".
So who knows how what huggers can do now. Its like magic macguffin these days..
The Cold Forge is a really good novel, but unfortunately that also continues the instant implantation as well, I really hope newer novels avoid the direction Covenant went in but it seems it might just be the new status quo.
Unfortunately newer information does tend to override old. It does cause some issues however, like that Marachuk should have then already been implanted with a chestburster as well as the other poor sod who was also killed during the removal surgery, it should have been too late. Also then those two huggers should not have been alive to attack Ripley and Newt.
Ripley 8 would almost certainly been implanted as she was exposed to the facehugger longer than Lope was, though we don't know if it got the tube in or not. Though speaking of, that is an odd case for Lope because the tube wasn't even down his throat, evidence by how he was clearly able to shout "get it off me".
So who knows how what huggers can do now. Its like magic macguffin these days..
The Cold Forge is a really good novel, but unfortunately that also continues the instant implantation as well, I really hope newer novels avoid the direction Covenant went in but it seems it might just be the new status quo.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 19, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 19, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
QuoteIt does cause some issues however, like that Marachuk should have then already been implanted with a chestburster as well as the other poor sod who was also killed during the removal surgery, it should have been too late.
It was too late.
QuoteAlso then those two huggers should not have been alive to attack Ripley and Newt.
There's no indication they successfully implanted someone.
With other huggings you have to compare like for like situations. There's an argument that the huggers were long dormant on LV-426 so implantation took longer; which has merit.
The simpler explanation is the hugger stays on for as long as possible to protect the embryo. Lopes one couldn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 10:42:43 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 10:42:43 PM
It's also entirely possible that the colonists weren't completely inept and were able to capture two facehuggers alive before they could attach themselves to anyone. We just don't know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 19, 2019, 10:44:09 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 19, 2019, 10:44:09 PM
That's always been my thinking. Gorman and Hicks were able to wrassle one, so it's possible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 10:46:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 10:46:02 PM
I think it's best left an untold story, but I like to imagine that the colonists did the best they could with what they had. A valiant effort by mothers and fathers giving their all to help their neighbors and loved ones.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 19, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 19, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
Yeah. It would've been cool to look at some of this film stuff which Newt's Tale and River of Pain curiously avoided - but ultimately it doesn't need to be a story that's told; we just need to know it's possible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2019, 11:01:41 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2019, 11:01:41 PM
The prequels screwed the huggers up.
Oh well.
Oh well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 11:46:22 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 11:46:22 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2019, 11:01:41 PMThe prequels screwed the huggers up.
Worse than AvP did?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 20, 2019, 12:10:12 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 20, 2019, 12:10:12 AM
#Whinge.
New implantation understanding > old assumption.
New implantation understanding > old assumption.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jul 20, 2019, 04:36:10 AM
Post by: Stitch on Jul 20, 2019, 04:36:10 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 11:46:22 PMYes.Quote from: Vermillion on Jul 19, 2019, 11:01:41 PMThe prequels screwed the huggers up.
Worse than AvP did?
At least in AvP the implanted were actually facehugged, knocked out for awhile and couldn't work out what had happened. As opposed to Lope being implanted in a picosecond from a hugger with a tenuous grasp at best.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 05:36:10 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 05:36:10 AM
It was clamped onto his head - that's not tenuous.
Verheiden and one of the science dudes weren't knocked out. And there's no indication the whole gestation was anywhere near as fast in Covenant.
QuoteAt least in AvP the implanted were actually facehugged, knocked out for awhile and couldn't work out what had happened.
Verheiden and one of the science dudes weren't knocked out. And there's no indication the whole gestation was anywhere near as fast in Covenant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jul 20, 2019, 08:14:11 AM
Post by: Stitch on Jul 20, 2019, 08:14:11 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 05:36:10 AM
It was clamped onto his head - that's not tenuous.QuoteAt least in AvP the implanted were actually facehugged, knocked out for awhile and couldn't work out what had happened.
Verheiden and one of the science dudes weren't knocked out. And there's no indication the whole gestation was anywhere near as fast in Covenant.
Will have to re-watch, just going from my recollection while at work. I was thinking more of Rousseau than Verheiden.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 20, 2019, 08:26:19 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 20, 2019, 08:26:19 AM
Aren't Rousseau and co. impregnated within the time it takes the pyramid to shift? So less than 10 minutes, including the few minutes they spent staring at the eggs to build up the tension before they're attacked.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 08:37:38 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 08:37:38 AM
Yeah there's about a minute from the doors closing in the sacrificial chamber till they get hugged. Rousseau bursts about 90 seconds or so from the walls moving again, so 7.5 minutes from hugging to bursting. Or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
Maybe we can just reconcile them all by lumping them into Ripley's anthology of nightmares alongside Alien 3. Her unconscious mind sure is confusing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:34:59 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:34:59 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 19, 2019, 10:34:22 PMQuoteIt does cause some issues however, like that Marachuk should have then already been implanted with a chestburster as well as the other poor sod who was also killed during the removal surgery, it should have been too late.
It was too late.QuoteAlso then those two huggers should not have been alive to attack Ripley and Newt.
There's no indication they successfully implanted someone.
With other huggings you have to compare like for like situations. There's an argument that the huggers were long dormant on LV-426 so implantation took longer; which has merit.
The simpler explanation is the hugger stays on for as long as possible to protect the embryo. Lopes one couldn't.
But it wasn't too late, because the huggers didn't implant them. otherwise the huggers would not be alive to attack Ripley and Newt.
And that is precisely my point, given what we now know about Lope and Cold Forge. Those two colonists should have been implanted almost immediately. This is why retconning doesn't always work well.
I thought about that too, but there has been other sources that has huggers takes awhile to implant their hosts.
Yes, I am aware of that too, the WYR makes it clear that while implantation probably happens in the first few hours, the hugger wil remain attach for possibly much longer to make sure the "embryo" is secure.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 10:42:43 PM
It's also entirely possible that the colonists weren't completely inept and were able to capture two facehuggers alive before they could attach themselves to anyone. We just don't know.
That is a sound theory but Bishop states that they were taken off before embryo implantation.
Quote from: SM on Jul 20, 2019, 05:36:10 AM
It was clamped onto his head - that's not tenuous.QuoteAt least in AvP the implanted were actually facehugged, knocked out for awhile and couldn't work out what had happened.
Verheiden and one of the science dudes weren't knocked out. And there's no indication the whole gestation was anywhere near as fast in Covenant.
Verheiden was still conscious but no one else was as far as I remember, I am guessing you are talking about the guy who was twitching on the floor after Rousseau woke up.
Quote from: Stitch on Jul 20, 2019, 08:14:11 AM
Will have to re-watch, just going from my recollection while at work. I was thinking more of Rousseau than Verheiden.
No, she was defintely knocked out as one scene is literally about her waking up, looking at her facehugged teammates and then literally bursting only seconds after waking up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:43:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:34:59 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 19, 2019, 10:42:43 PM
It's also entirely possible that the colonists weren't completely inept and were able to capture two facehuggers alive before they could attach themselves to anyone. We just don't know.
That is a sound theory but Bishop states that they were taken off before embryo implantation.
He only said two were alive and the rest were dead, then read the log about Marachuk. He didn't say anything about the status of the particular facehugger they removed from him though. For all we know, it was one of the dead ones.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:47:37 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:47:37 AM
But then River of Pain drives it home as one character asks where they got the live facehuggers from.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:50:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:50:10 AM
SM said it was possible though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
And while he is very knowledgable, it is speculation really (unless he knows something we don't about them) and sure maybe it is possible, but the implication and what we are meant to believe is that those two live facehuggers came from removing them before they could implant their hosts. At least that is the impression I got from that movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:56:48 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:56:48 AM
I always figured Marachuk's facehugger was removed by any means necessary and they weren't gentle about it, thus I assumed it was killed in the process just like its would-be host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 10:03:12 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 10:03:12 AM
I think as long as they can still implant their host, they will still be alive. Within reason of course, I don't expect them to still be alive if they were torn apart in the removal process.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 10:10:51 AM
I can agree with that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 20, 2019, 10:48:22 AM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 20, 2019, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 20, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
Maybe we can just reconcile them all by lumping them into Ripley's anthology of nightmares alongside Alien 3. Her unconscious mind sure is confusing.
Heh, I reckon the poor lass has suffered enough, and I wouldn't wish her to have quite so many troubled dreams along the way. ;D
As my own preferred 'main storyline' of the Alien franchise begins with ALIEN and ends with ALIENS, period....I simply imagine that ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION are merely a couple of 'cryo-dreams/nightmares' that Ripley has on her safe journey home. This way, I can re-watch Sigourney's other great perfomances without being bothered by ANY of the issues these latter two movies threw up for me....and of course, the 'egg' mystery is conveniently not a problem anymore when viewed this way, as it just adds to the other 'dream-like', visual inconsistencies at the beginning and end of ALIEN 3 (the 'cryo-tubles' specifically)
However....when it comes to the other franchise storylines such as the AvP movies, and PROMETHEUS/ALIEN COVENANT, I prefer to use a different 'method' to make them more re-watchable for myself, rather than looking on them as further 'cryo-dreams/nightmares' -
I simply choose to look on all of these entries as a mixture of 'Alternative Extended Universe', 'What If?'- kind of 'Fan Fiction' storylines using familiar elements and characters, which are totally unconnected to my preferred 'main storyline' of ALIEN and ALIENS whatsoever. Again, this 'fanfictional' way of looking at these particular movies is just a way to smooth out all their issues for me, and helps to retain the 'mystery' of the 'Space Jockey' skeleton and 'Xenomorph' origins intact for myself in the process. And although I could easily look on ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION in this same 'Fan Fiction' manner, I much prefer to imagine them as being Ripley's 'cryo-dreams/nightmares', seeing as they actually involve her character. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 20, 2019, 02:36:26 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 20, 2019, 02:36:26 PM
I enjoy exploring the possibilities of the Alien Universe,
it's a rather large one and honestly- without inconsistencies (to an extent) it isn't nearly as interesting to discuss.
If only the most popular entry existed, I wouldn't care for the universe whatsoever. Without all three of the first entries being canon, it's just boring.
And yes the prequels require "patching" with a final entry, reconciliation with the idea the Alien is ancient and a "real" Space Jockey exists- and Prometheus isn't great, but I loved a lot of the stuff it added to the history and aesthetic of the universe and really enjoy the Pathogen's potential now because of it's sequel's clarification. Isolation's a good recreation and expansion of the original film but I strongly believe The Cold Forge is the newest entry to really develop the universe foward using aspects of the first three films and the prequel series together to create a new great story, it probably ranks above or alongside the original Alien for me.
it's a rather large one and honestly- without inconsistencies (to an extent) it isn't nearly as interesting to discuss.
If only the most popular entry existed, I wouldn't care for the universe whatsoever. Without all three of the first entries being canon, it's just boring.
And yes the prequels require "patching" with a final entry, reconciliation with the idea the Alien is ancient and a "real" Space Jockey exists- and Prometheus isn't great, but I loved a lot of the stuff it added to the history and aesthetic of the universe and really enjoy the Pathogen's potential now because of it's sequel's clarification. Isolation's a good recreation and expansion of the original film but I strongly believe The Cold Forge is the newest entry to really develop the universe foward using aspects of the first three films and the prequel series together to create a new great story, it probably ranks above or alongside the original Alien for me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 20, 2019, 07:03:01 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 20, 2019, 07:03:01 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:34:59 AM
But it wasn't too late, because the huggers didn't implant them. otherwise the huggers would not be alive to attack Ripley and Newt.
And that is precisely my point, given what we now know about Lope and Cold Forge. Those two colonists should have been implanted almost immediately. This is why retconning doesn't always work well.
I thought about that too, but there has been other sources that has huggers takes awhile to implant their hosts.
Yes, I am aware of that too, the WYR makes it clear that while implantation probably happens in the first few hours, the hugger wil remain attach for possibly much longer to make sure the "embryo" is secure.
If another prequel happens and does leave us with a derelict on LV-426 that's very recent, an easy out is that David extended the impregnation and incubation cycle to allow it to spread farther. For example, one of the (very few) merciful things about Ebola in the present day is that it's so deadly, most of the victims can't spread it very far before expiring. When making something similarly horrific, having it take longer is actually a refinement.
Of course, as it stands right now, that could be totally irrelevant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: LV-12986 on Jul 20, 2019, 07:06:20 PM
Post by: LV-12986 on Jul 20, 2019, 07:06:20 PM
They could have minimised this argument when they made alien 3 and started the film with the camera panning away from the dropship revealing the egg where the queen was hiding but nope......they couldn't even feature the same cryotubes from aliens :/
Great film tho
Great film tho
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 20, 2019, 07:57:56 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 20, 2019, 07:57:56 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 20, 2019, 07:03:01 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Jul 20, 2019, 09:34:59 AM
But it wasn't too late, because the huggers didn't implant them. otherwise the huggers would not be alive to attack Ripley and Newt.
And that is precisely my point, given what we now know about Lope and Cold Forge. Those two colonists should have been implanted almost immediately. This is why retconning doesn't always work well.
I thought about that too, but there has been other sources that has huggers takes awhile to implant their hosts.
Yes, I am aware of that too, the WYR makes it clear that while implantation probably happens in the first few hours, the hugger wil remain attach for possibly much longer to make sure the "embryo" is secure.
If another prequel happens and does leave us with a derelict on LV-426 that's very recent, an easy out is that David extended the impregnation and incubation cycle to allow it to spread farther. For example, one of the (very few) merciful things about Ebola in the present day is that it's so deadly, most of the victims can't spread it very far before expiring. When making something similarly horrific, having it take longer is actually a refinement.
Of course, as it stands right now, that could be totally irrelevant.
I also see the longer implantation time, especially the gestation time to be an advantage for spreading.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 20, 2019, 09:28:43 PM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Jul 20, 2019, 09:28:43 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 20, 2019, 02:36:26 PM
And yes the prequels require "patching" with a final entry, reconciliation with the idea the Alien is ancient and a "real" Space Jockey exists- and Prometheus isn't great, but I loved a lot of the stuff it added to the history and aesthetic of the universe and really enjoy the Pathogen's potential now because of it's sequel's clarification.
Oh don't get me wrong, although I don't care for some of the directions Ridley went in with the 'prequels' in relation to his fantastic original, there's still a LOT I find of interest in them when I keep them separate. His keen eye for visuals still being the main thing overall. In fact my go-to-versions happen to be extended re-edits which include a lot of the neat additional scenes which were sadly excluded from the official cuts.
But while I choose to imagine they aren't the actual events that lead up to the ALIEN movie itself, I absolutely hope that Ridley gets the greenlight to conclude his David 8 storyline eventually, no-matter-what.
In the meantime, back to the 'egg' I guess....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 21, 2019, 09:55:26 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 21, 2019, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: LV-12986 on Jul 20, 2019, 07:06:20 PMThey could have minimised this argument when they made alien 3 and started the film with the camera panning away from the dropship revealing the egg where the queen was hiding but nope...
I could be mistaken, but I believe the film originally had no visible egg at all, but after people in the test screenings were "confused" about where the Alien came from, they added a shot of an egg. That would go some way to explain its bizarre, incongruous placement.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 21, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 21, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
Yeah there's no egg in the Workprint.
Or burster.
Or burster.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
So what's the first indication of an alien presence on board the Sulaco in the workprint? Was it this?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 21, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 21, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
I believe so, and so it ought've stayed.
On the implantation and gestation discussion:
By examining the films (And The Cold Forge) it's clear implantation is instantaneous but the length of time it persists attached is totally the choice of the Alien itself, gestation is always a number of hours or a full day.
On the implantation and gestation discussion:
By examining the films (And The Cold Forge) it's clear implantation is instantaneous but the length of time it persists attached is totally the choice of the Alien itself, gestation is always a number of hours or a full day.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 21, 2019, 03:53:53 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jul 21, 2019, 03:53:53 PM
Not the second the film. Otherwise as I pointed out, those two huggers would not be alive to attack Ripley and Newt. Not to mention Marachuk and the other colonist would have already been infected.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 21, 2019, 04:00:11 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 21, 2019, 04:00:11 PM
Or the log is inaccurate,
the implantation/gestation was thought averted at the time but wasn't.
And the surviving specimen- Simply contained during separate instances at the time of the infestation.
the implantation/gestation was thought averted at the time but wasn't.
And the surviving specimen- Simply contained during separate instances at the time of the infestation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 21, 2019, 04:42:05 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 21, 2019, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
So what's the first indication of an alien presence on board the Sulaco in the workprint? Was it this?
Oh god. The fingernails.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 21, 2019, 05:36:44 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 21, 2019, 05:36:44 PM
A favourite shot of mine, gorgeous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 21, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 21, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
They are rather stylish.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 21, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 21, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
So what's the first indication of an alien presence on board the Sulaco in the workprint? Was it this?
I can't see what 'this' is, but it's the unfolding facehugger fingers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 21, 2019, 09:35:57 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jul 21, 2019, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 21, 2019, 09:55:26 AM
I could be mistaken, but I believe the film originally had no visible egg at all, but after people in the test screenings were "confused" about where the Alien came from, they added a shot of an egg. That would go some way to explain its bizarre, incongruous placement.
F'king test screenings is the reason why Blade Runner originally had a voiceover and happy ending, why the switch between David and Walter
is so blatantly obvious in Covenant, why a lot of gore was cut out of Alien...
Quote from: SM on Jul 21, 2019, 08:54:14 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
So what's the first indication of an alien presence on board the Sulaco in the workprint? Was it this?
I can't see what 'this' is, but it's the unfolding facehugger fingers.
Yep, that's the picture that Trouble posted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2019, 12:01:16 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2019, 12:01:16 AM
Isn't it also possible that the studio felt that every stage of the lifecycle had to be visually represented? Otherwise, it would have been the first movie in the series that didn't have the iconic egg from the original film's poster.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 22, 2019, 12:11:22 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 22, 2019, 12:11:22 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2019, 12:01:16 AM
Is it also possible that the studio felt that every stage of the lifecycle had to be visually represented? Otherwise, it would have the first movie in the series that didn't have the iconic egg from the original film's poster.
Not that it was ever the same egg as that poster anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2019, 12:27:32 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 22, 2019, 12:27:32 AM
True, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jul 22, 2019, 08:27:25 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jul 22, 2019, 08:27:25 AM
I've got it. If you not include Aliens' eggs into movie you get AVP Requiem lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 22, 2019, 04:02:04 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 22, 2019, 04:02:04 PM
No, I don't think so.
The Blade Runner comparison is more apt.
Regardless of it's issues, the one really.
I love the visuals of the opening. :)
The Blade Runner comparison is more apt.
Spoiler
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I love the visuals of the opening. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jul 22, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
Post by: razeak on Jul 22, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
Amazing how much less BS would go on about Alien 3 if a facehugger had simply evacuated Ripley's inferno and just followed her and the queen to the drop ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 22, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 22, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
At the end of the day, Alien 3 is still a sci-fi/horror film. There's a certain amount of the audience that are going to see the egg and just go, "Yep, that's an alien alright. Yep, oh better watch out there Sigourney". And then they'll just watch the movie with no more thought given to it.
I honestly don't care about the hugger anymore. Was it executed poorly? Yes I think so. But there's really nothing that can be done about it at this point. I just enjoy the movie for what it is.
I honestly don't care about the hugger anymore. Was it executed poorly? Yes I think so. But there's really nothing that can be done about it at this point. I just enjoy the movie for what it is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 23, 2019, 03:00:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 23, 2019, 03:00:57 AM
I thought the facehugger's execution was fine, to be honest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 23, 2019, 03:15:33 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 23, 2019, 03:15:33 AM
Yes, the issue is the thread's title.
Omission of it for the 4KSE release I'd appreciate.
Omission of it for the 4KSE release I'd appreciate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 23, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
Post by: Still Collating... on Jul 23, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
I doubt that'll ever officially happen, somebody "upstairs" would have to really care to do that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 23, 2019, 05:30:50 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 23, 2019, 05:30:50 PM
Yes, Studios rarely go for the long term beneficial decision.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2019, 09:37:27 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2019, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 22, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
At the end of the day, Alien 3 is still a sci-fi/horror film. There's a certain amount of the audience that are going to see the egg and just go, "Yep, that's an alien alright. Yep, oh better watch out there Sigourney". And then they'll just watch the movie with no more thought given to it.
I honestly don't care about the hugger anymore. Was it executed poorly? Yes I think so. But there's really nothing that can be done about it at this point. I just enjoy the movie for what it is.
I am that person and it's great.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 23, 2019, 09:39:47 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 23, 2019, 09:39:47 PM
Me too! :laugh:
And yes, it is. I never even gave it any thought until I joined up here.
And yes, it is. I never even gave it any thought until I joined up here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2019, 09:50:48 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2019, 09:50:48 PM
I mean, it's fun to pull threads like that after watching a movie, but during the actual viewing that sort of thing doesn't bother me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2019, 08:30:33 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2019, 08:30:33 AM
I love the third film and I f*cking hate the egg lol.
Also hate that the Sulaco completely changes colour and the cryotubes completely change design between movies.
Also hate that the Sulaco completely changes colour and the cryotubes completely change design between movies.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2019, 12:17:36 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2019, 12:17:36 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 22, 2019, 05:07:22 PM
At the end of the day, Alien 3 is still a sci-fi/horror film. There's a certain amount of the audience that are going to see the egg and just go, "Yep, that's an alien alright. Yep, oh better watch out there Sigourney". And then they'll just watch the movie with no more thought given to it.
I honestly don't care about the hugger anymore. Was it executed poorly? Yes I think so. But there's really nothing that can be done about it at this point. I just enjoy the movie for what it is.
I believe the problem was, is, will always be is what preceded Alien3 were two classic films that really didn't require that you check your brain at the door, and which complimented each other harmoniously. You follow that up with a feature that wobbles along with lapses of, or just plain broken logic, love it or hate it, these issues will always be a topic of conversation.
Although Alien3 is a better film in my opinion, I always equate it to Terminator 3 Rise of the Machines. From its reason-for-being "Judgment Day is inevitable" plot contrivance, to killing off key characters like Sarah Connor before your story starts, to its dark, self-sacrifice ending, it will always be judged against the two superior movies that came before it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 24, 2019, 08:45:21 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 24, 2019, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2019, 08:30:33 AM
I love the third film and I f*cking hate the egg lol.
Also hate that the Sulaco completely changes colour and the cryotubes completely change design between movies.
Never paid enough attention to those parts to notice till it was pointed out to me. Still doesn't really register while watching either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2019, 10:08:45 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2019, 10:08:45 PM
Sometimes, ignorance Is bliss. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 24, 2019, 10:16:04 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 24, 2019, 10:16:04 PM
As I said, pulling at the loose threads after the fact can be lots of fun, but ignorance is definitely bliss when watching.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2019, 10:30:08 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 24, 2019, 10:30:08 PM
Unfortunately, I think some can't help but get caught on such things which can ruin their overall viewing, like an itch they cannot scratch. It's just in their DNA.
It's interesting how people can differ.
It's interesting how people can differ.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 02:46:35 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 02:46:35 PM
The continuity of the beginning annoys me, particularly one aspect of it but the Cryotube design and ship colour?
it's just a aesthetic change, nothing more.
it's just a aesthetic change, nothing more.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2019, 02:54:25 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jul 25, 2019, 02:54:25 PM
It is still wrong and a massive continuity error.
But it's all an alternative dream reality anyway.
But it's all an alternative dream reality anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 02:57:20 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 02:57:20 PM
Any evidence exist supporting the idea? No.
The film is good and canon, beyond notable annoyances.
The film is good and canon, beyond notable annoyances.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
One of the annoyances I have is with the maximum security prison based on the "honor system" no weapon plot contrivance. A maximum security prison. Everytime I hear Andrews say that my eyes cannot role back in my head far enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jul 25, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: razeak on Jul 25, 2019, 03:27:14 PM
Why wouldn't they just remove the weapons when they changed the facility to custodial status?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 03:28:03 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 03:28:03 PM
I imagine exactly that happened.
If the prisoners murder the wardens,
no report, no resupply.
Everyone alive starves.
No weaponry, no issue.
If the prisoners murder the wardens,
no report, no resupply.
Everyone alive starves.
No weaponry, no issue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 03:32:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 03:32:16 PM
It's also possible that the prison had armed guards when it housed 5,000 inmates and they simply took their weapons with them when they left.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
Okay, but that still really makes no sense.
They can hold shanks to the guards and kill some, and make others communicate anything, scheme and take over resupply ships, and err... some are crazy or go crazy again who might not care if they live or die at some point?
Come on, it wasn't written with logic in mind. Just to get points from A to C.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 03:28:03 PM
I imagine exactly that happened.
If the prisoners murder the wardens,
no report, no resupply.
Everyone alive starves. No weaponry, no issue.
They can hold shanks to the guards and kill some, and make others communicate anything, scheme and take over resupply ships, and err... some are crazy or go crazy again who might not care if they live or die at some point?
Come on, it wasn't written with logic in mind. Just to get points from A to C.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 03:37:44 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 03:37:44 PM
I'd say the facility itself is maximum security, you don't get higher than another planet, and as rightly pointed out we see it whenever it's status is purely custodial.
I imagine most of the security measures deactivated when the refinery shut down, and it stopped being profitable.
I imagine most of the security measures deactivated when the refinery shut down, and it stopped being profitable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jul 25, 2019, 03:52:39 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jul 25, 2019, 03:52:39 PM
If I remember correctly, it's mentioned in the novelisation that they elected to stay there. They were given the option to remain as custodians of the prison planet when the company moved most of the operations elsewhere.
Live on a prison planet that you know, with relative freedom and a small amount of pay, or relocate to another maximum security facility and deal with the rest of your sentence there? I know what I'd choose in that situation.
Live on a prison planet that you know, with relative freedom and a small amount of pay, or relocate to another maximum security facility and deal with the rest of your sentence there? I know what I'd choose in that situation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:54:13 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:54:13 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Jul 25, 2019, 03:52:39 PM
If I remember correctly, it's mentioned in the novelisation that they elected to stay there. They were given the option to remain as custodians of the prison planet when the company moved most of the operations elsewhere.
Live on a prison planet that you know, with relative freedom and a small amount of pay, or relocate to another maximum security facility and deal with the rest of your sentence there? I know what I'd choose in that situation.
I'd elect to stay somewhere that gave me the best chance of escape. That has to be a factor.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 03:37:44 PM
I'd say the facility itself is maximum security, you don't get higher than another planet, and as rightly pointed out we see it whenever it's status is purely custodial.
I imagine most of the security measures retired when the refinery shut down, and it stopped being profitable.
And no, your complaint isn't written with logic in mind.
Yeah, they could bargain with the two lifes they have, but what then? Where do they run? It's totally pointless.
And as W-Y showed, when push comes to shove they killed 85.
You're holding imprisoned murderers, rapists, and lunatics to logical odds and endgame scenarios? Yeah, the way I see it, I'm on the side of logic.
That honor system was conceived to remove weapons from the scenario but I find it extremely moronic, personally. Have the crash hit the weapons stronghold decimating everything but a few tasers and handguns. Write something smarter than that, right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 25, 2019, 03:58:38 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 25, 2019, 03:58:38 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:54:13 PMQuote from: Stitch on Jul 25, 2019, 03:52:39 PM
If I remember correctly, it's mentioned in the novelisation that they elected to stay there. They were given the option to remain as custodians of the prison planet when the company moved most of the operations elsewhere.
Live on a prison planet that you know, with relative freedom and a small amount of pay, or relocate to another maximum security facility and deal with the rest of your sentence there? I know what I'd choose in that situation.
I'd elect to stay somewhere that gave me the best chance of escape. That has to be a factor.
They weren't smart enough to consider that. Look at the crazy stuff they believed. They were more concerned about the arrival of the Messiah than escaping. They were crazy enough to believe staying there peacefully was the smarter choice, as they would go to heaven afterwards or whatever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 04:02:07 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jul 25, 2019, 03:58:38 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 03:54:13 PMQuote from: Stitch on Jul 25, 2019, 03:52:39 PM
If I remember correctly, it's mentioned in the novelisation that they elected to stay there. They were given the option to remain as custodians of the prison planet when the company moved most of the operations elsewhere.
Live on a prison planet that you know, with relative freedom and a small amount of pay, or relocate to another maximum security facility and deal with the rest of your sentence there? I know what I'd choose in that situation.
I'd elect to stay somewhere that gave me the best chance of escape. That has to be a factor.
They weren't smart enough to consider that. Look at the crazy stuff they believed. They were more concerned about the arrival of the Messiah than escaping. They were crazy enough to believe staying there peacefully was the smarter choice, as they would go to heaven afterwards or whatever.
Imagine you're a guard. Would you be willing to bet your life on it?
And wasn't there an attempt to rape Ripley? You just don't know for sure what will flip their switches.. or what they're secretly thinking.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 25, 2019, 04:06:36 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jul 25, 2019, 04:06:36 PM
Andrews and 85 seems to know/trust Dillon and his educational pipe enough to keep the others under control. For them the risk must have been worth the salary.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 04:07:58 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 04:07:58 PM
Indeed and;
The guards? All three of them? lol
One required to eat, one required for health and 85 who proved real worthwhile to W-Y during the film right?
Freedom isn't a factor because within the dystopia of barcoded prisoners, escape isn't realistic, and the film showed the majority of the prisoners as reasonable when led by Dillon by contrast to Golic and W-Y.
Otherwise?
Weyland-Yutani's negligence is nothing revelatory.
The guards? All three of them? lol
One required to eat, one required for health and 85 who proved real worthwhile to W-Y during the film right?
Freedom isn't a factor because within the dystopia of barcoded prisoners, escape isn't realistic, and the film showed the majority of the prisoners as reasonable when led by Dillon by contrast to Golic and W-Y.
Otherwise?
Weyland-Yutani's negligence is nothing revelatory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 04:08:22 PM
Post by: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 04:08:22 PM
What could they really do if they decide to try and escape?
Like Old One said, no way in hell they make it off the planet.
What would they gain from making trouble? Best case scenario they get put into a real prison again, worst, they starve.
They live in relative freedom and peace. Murderer and rapists they maybe, but they are human after all, why give that up?
They supposedly also found god and we don't know how much elected to stay after serving their sentence because there is nothing better waiting for them out there.
I don't feel it is that illogical at all. Convenient to get the guns out of the game, but not illogical.
As for the guards, nobody forces them to work there. I would assume they have their own demons to work at a place like that. Like Clemens.
Like Old One said, no way in hell they make it off the planet.
What would they gain from making trouble? Best case scenario they get put into a real prison again, worst, they starve.
They live in relative freedom and peace. Murderer and rapists they maybe, but they are human after all, why give that up?
They supposedly also found god and we don't know how much elected to stay after serving their sentence because there is nothing better waiting for them out there.
I don't feel it is that illogical at all. Convenient to get the guns out of the game, but not illogical.
As for the guards, nobody forces them to work there. I would assume they have their own demons to work at a place like that. Like Clemens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 04:14:34 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jul 25, 2019, 04:14:34 PM
Exactly, the good Doctor himself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 04:24:29 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 04:24:29 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 04:08:22 PM
What could they really do if they decide to try and escape?
Overrun a supply ship.
QuoteLike Old One said, no way in hell they make it off the planet.
If you're crazy, going crazy, getting crazier, that doesn't have to be the endgame. Living doesn't even have to be the endgame.
QuoteThey live in relative freedom and peace. Murderer and rapists they maybe, but they are human after all, why give that up?
As a custodian, this is a scenario you hope continues, but you can't guarantee. You can be a police officer and never fire your weapon. But you have it in case, nevertheless.
QuoteI don't feel it is that illogical at all. Convenient to get the guns out of the game, but not illogical.
It was definitely its purpose. To get in the same position of Alien.
I just find the situation highly illogical, and could have been better ways to write yourself in that situation, like the Sulaco crash wrecks the weapons cache stronghold. Fixes like these could have prevented fickle audiences from hearing phrases like maximum security prison and honor system put together. Even Ripley thought it was ridiculous. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
Post by: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
We don't know how the supply ship actually drop the supplies. For all we know, they could just drop something without making contact with the ground, it could be automated or be heavily guarded.
Most of them seemed pretty sane. At least sane enough to function in the sciety they had without lashing out.
Sure, it was on purpose but for me it's an allright solution.
I always thought of the whole thing as more of a place for outcasts and people not fit for society for this or that reason than a classic prison with strict lines between guards and inmates, at the point of the movie. They created their own refuge and found comfort in routine and religion.
It works as long as the "balance" is mantained, but it's at risk when the balance is disturbed (Ripley's arrival).
Most of them seemed pretty sane. At least sane enough to function in the sciety they had without lashing out.
Sure, it was on purpose but for me it's an allright solution.
I always thought of the whole thing as more of a place for outcasts and people not fit for society for this or that reason than a classic prison with strict lines between guards and inmates, at the point of the movie. They created their own refuge and found comfort in routine and religion.
It works as long as the "balance" is mantained, but it's at risk when the balance is disturbed (Ripley's arrival).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
I
True. It doesn't have to be supply, it could be a custodian/guard transfer. I'm certain we can dream up some scenarios.
I respect that it works for you. Hey, we all have our different assorted pet peeves, right? I know I do. :)
For me the Egg is less of an issue than most here, so it's always interesting what bothers people on a personal level. It's funny, in my personal experience I found in general non-fandom review commentary, the prison honor system is complained about more than the egg. (But of course, Newt and Hick's deaths have trumped them both.) :)
Quote from: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
We don't know how the supply ship actually drop the supplies. For all we know, they could just drop something without making contact with the ground, it could be automated or be heavily guarded.
True. It doesn't have to be supply, it could be a custodian/guard transfer. I'm certain we can dream up some scenarios.
QuoteMost of them seemed pretty sane. At least sane enough to function in the sciety they had without lashing out.
Sure, it was on purpose but for me it's an allright solution.
I always thought of the whole thing as more of a place for outcasts and people not fit for society for this or that reason than a classic prison with strict lines between guards and inmates, at the point of the movie. They created their own refuge and found comfort in routine and religion.
It works as long as the "balance" is mantained, but it's at risk when the balance is disturbed (Ripley's arrival).
I respect that it works for you. Hey, we all have our different assorted pet peeves, right? I know I do. :)
For me the Egg is less of an issue than most here, so it's always interesting what bothers people on a personal level. It's funny, in my personal experience I found in general non-fandom review commentary, the prison honor system is complained about more than the egg. (But of course, Newt and Hick's deaths have trumped them both.) :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
Post by: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
IQuote from: The Kurgan on Jul 25, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
We don't know how the supply ship actually drop the supplies. For all we know, they could just drop something without making contact with the ground, it could be automated or be heavily guarded.
True. It doesn't have to be supply, it could be a custodian/guard transfer. I'm certain we can dream up some scenarios.QuoteMost of them seemed pretty sane. At least sane enough to function in the sciety they had without lashing out.
Sure, it was on purpose but for me it's an allright solution.
I always thought of the whole thing as more of a place for outcasts and people not fit for society for this or that reason than a classic prison with strict lines between guards and inmates, at the point of the movie. They created their own refuge and found comfort in routine and religion.
It works as long as the "balance" is mantained, but it's at risk when the balance is disturbed (Ripley's arrival).
I respect that it works for you. Hey, we all have our different assorted pet peeves, right? I know I do. :)
Sure do :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
For me the Egg is less of an issue than most here, so it's always interesting what bothers people on a personal level. It's funny, in my personal experience I found in general non-fandom review commentary, the prison honor system is complained about more than the egg. (But of course, Newt and Hick's deaths have trumped them both.) :)
Never really thought about it to be honest. "Where they wanna go anyway" always was enough, but I get where people are coming from questioning it.
Yeah with Hix n Noot in the spotlight most people outside of the fandom probably never really questioned much about anything else.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2019, 09:10:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2019, 09:10:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 03:32:16 PMIt's also possible that the prison had armed guards when it housed 5,000 inmates and they simply took their weapons with them when they left.
This.
Also the film makes it quite clear the inmates stayed of their own volition. Presumably they decided remaining there with fairly lax control was far better than going to another high-security facility elsewhere, so they're probably quite grateful and haven't much interest in killing the guards.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 09:45:39 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 09:45:39 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2019, 09:10:18 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 03:32:16 PMIt's also possible that the prison had armed guards when it housed 5,000 inmates and they simply took their weapons with them when they left.
This.
Also the film makes it quite clear the inmates stayed of their own volition. Presumably they decided remaining there with fairly lax control was far better than going to another high-security facility elsewhere, so they're probably quite grateful and haven't much interest in killing the guards.
Much interest? That's quite a dice a roll. ;D
Hey, we all know the goal was to have a limited amount of prisoners, one Alien, and no weapons - script mission accomplished - but we also know, you, me, or anyone without a death wish is not going to sign up to be a custodian of murderers and rapists on an honor system without some protection. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 10:01:03 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 10:01:03 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2019, 09:10:18 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 03:32:16 PMIt's also possible that the prison had armed guards when it housed 5,000 inmates and they simply took their weapons with them when they left.
This.
Also the film makes it quite clear the inmates stayed of their own volition. Presumably they decided remaining there with fairly lax control was far better than going to another high-security facility elsewhere, so they're probably quite grateful and haven't much interest in killing the guards.
It would have been interesting to see Fury in its heyday. Imagine thousands of violent double-Y chromo boys toiling every day to refine mineral ore and forge lead sheets while armed company guards looked on from the catwalks in their dogcatcher gear.
That would've made for a fine alien infestation. Imagine the gang wars and riots when inmates started disappearing and their bodies showed up later all bloody and mutilated. Imagine Ripley being in the middle of all that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 10:38:23 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 10:01:03 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2019, 09:10:18 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 03:32:16 PMIt's also possible that the prison had armed guards when it housed 5,000 inmates and they simply took their weapons with them when they left.
This.
Also the film makes it quite clear the inmates stayed of their own volition. Presumably they decided remaining there with fairly lax control was far better than going to another high-security facility elsewhere, so they're probably quite grateful and haven't much interest in killing the guards.
It would have been interesting to see Fury in its heyday. Imagine thousands of violent double-Y chromo boys toiling every day to refine mineral ore and forge lead sheets while armed company guards looked on from the catwalks in their dogcatcher gear.
That would've made for a fine alien infestation. Imagine the gang wars and riots when inmates started disappearing and their bodies showed up later all bloody and mutilated. Imagine Ripley being in the middle of all that.
Now that would be pretty sweet. And then the gangs who are sworn enemies eventually learn they have to listen to Ripley and work together to survive.
That gives me a Predator: Race War vibe actually.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 10:43:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 10:43:23 PM
It would be kinda like Outland meets Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
Now THAT sounds cool.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 25, 2019, 11:06:56 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 25, 2019, 11:06:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 10:38:23 PM
That gives me a Predator: Race War vibe actually.
Think you've nailed it. It'd be better as a Predator story than an Alien one, once you've introduced all those extra factors.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jul 25, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
Post by: razeak on Jul 25, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
I am a correctional officer so I can offer some perspective and real world observations. I can assure you the majority of us would prefer no weapons that could be turned against us. Especially firearms. Most inmates are logical. Most want to serve their sentences as smoothly as possible, especially those with long sentences. You have an alpha with Dillon. This happens in real prisons. With no gang presence, and the typical strong bonds of inmates that choose to stick together, it makes perfect sense. I doubt Andrews and 85 would want to have the added tension of being the only ones with access to weaponry hanging over the heads of the people they live with every day. Prisons don't even let weapons in the same area as inmates in the real world. They are in towers or outside the secure area. In corrections you have to have an ability to isolate individuals in order to control them when the stakes get high to even bring weapons to bear. There isn't a system to lock inmates down, or control their movement on Fury. It has to be a voluntary community. This is one. We have inmates waive parole in order to achieve treatment goals, and sometimes spiritual ones.
The inmates elected to stay there with a spiritual goal in mind. It's presented as a tenuous situation, and boils over with Ripley's arrival. Women were never part of the plan.
The inmates elected to stay there with a spiritual goal in mind. It's presented as a tenuous situation, and boils over with Ripley's arrival. Women were never part of the plan.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 11:44:31 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 11:44:31 PM
What if you were a guard when Fury was fully operational?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2019, 11:51:52 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2019, 11:51:52 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2019, 11:44:31 PM
What if you were a guard when Fury was fully operational?
Like everyone else, he'd need to maintain good upright posture around Frank at all times.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 12:32:11 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 12:32:11 AM
QuoteThere isn't a system to lock inmates down, or control their movement on Fury.
They're locked up overnight.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2019, 12:35:52 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2019, 12:35:52 AM
Would you say that was inferred when Andrews said, "They may use the furnace, but I want everyone back in lockup by 2200 hours?"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 12:41:54 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 12:41:54 AM
I would say it's a thing more than just an inference.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2019, 12:47:11 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2019, 12:47:11 AM
It's not subject to interpretation like the "for all intents and purposes" line by Perez in AR?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 12:57:02 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 12:57:02 AM
Prisoners? In lock up? Not a huge amount of room for interpretation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 01:00:50 AM
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 01:00:50 AM
Ok there is a system. I'm assuming an honor system though. I doubt there is any practical policy and procedure in place outside of the community aspect.
Lockup is a term that would fit what we call Segregation Housing Unit. Its a location rather than a status in our slang. The unit can be referred to as lockup or SHU. It could be that they are staying in a single, possibly fortifiable location rather than dispersed all around in say the different General Population units (there would be dozens and dozens in a 5000 inmate facility, each made up of 100 or more cells). I'm not saying this is concrete , just probable unless I missed something. If he was implying they were locked down, then he would have said I want everyone locked down(assuming the writers got common lingo correct).
If I were in a 5000 inmate facility, I would be respectful in my communication and look for ways to deal with problems where the inmate sees the benefit of the proper course of action rather than unnecessary paperwork. A gang culture is another animal, but it still deals in some level of respect, mostly. You have to earn respect whether in a small jail or big prison. The likelihood of violence just increases with the size of the facility.
I'm really getting an itch to watch Alien 3.
Lockup is a term that would fit what we call Segregation Housing Unit. Its a location rather than a status in our slang. The unit can be referred to as lockup or SHU. It could be that they are staying in a single, possibly fortifiable location rather than dispersed all around in say the different General Population units (there would be dozens and dozens in a 5000 inmate facility, each made up of 100 or more cells). I'm not saying this is concrete , just probable unless I missed something. If he was implying they were locked down, then he would have said I want everyone locked down(assuming the writers got common lingo correct).
If I were in a 5000 inmate facility, I would be respectful in my communication and look for ways to deal with problems where the inmate sees the benefit of the proper course of action rather than unnecessary paperwork. A gang culture is another animal, but it still deals in some level of respect, mostly. You have to earn respect whether in a small jail or big prison. The likelihood of violence just increases with the size of the facility.
I'm really getting an itch to watch Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 02:01:54 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 02:01:54 AM
Razeak, it's good to have an expert!
I know guns are only in play while patrolling the perimeter, but aren't guns and weapons always stored in secure armories in case of volatile situations?
I know guns are only in play while patrolling the perimeter, but aren't guns and weapons always stored in secure armories in case of volatile situations?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 02:48:57 AM
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 02:48:57 AM
Yes. Our armory gives me goosebumps from the perspective of enjoying guns. Never want to use them thpugh. We also have plenty of staff to handle them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2019, 07:07:55 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2019, 07:07:55 AM
Considering it seems to be a British run facility...there being no weapons in the prison isn't surprising in the slightest. We have shields and batons. That's about it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: LV-12986 on Jul 26, 2019, 08:19:17 AM
Post by: LV-12986 on Jul 26, 2019, 08:19:17 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2019, 08:30:33 AM
I love the third film and I f*cking hate the egg lol.
Also hate that the Sulaco completely changes colour and the cryotubes completely change design between movies.
The cryotube change still really annoys me now :/
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 01:28:10 PM
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 01:28:10 PM
I stayed up late and watched the Alien 3 assembly cut again. I like the movie more every time I watch it. I still feel like it could be shorter. I also think Clemens was killed a little too soon. The special effects really do take away from it when it isn't a suit or puppet. The performances, score, set design, and cinematography are all top notch.
It is the perfect ending to a trilogy.
It is the perfect ending to a trilogy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2019, 03:10:28 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2019, 03:10:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 09:45:39 PMHey, we all know the goal was to have a limited amount of prisoners, one Alien, and no weapons - script mission accomplished - but we also know, you, me, or anyone without a death wish is not going to sign up to be a custodian of murderers and rapists on an honor system without some protection. ;)
As Hicks says, prisons over here in the UK don't have weapons and the kind of disorder that can't be handled by the staff is incredibly rare. It's probably largely a mentality thing, and the mentality of the inmates in the third film is quite clearly seen to be pretty docile - they're content to just wait out their lives there in comparative peace and harmony.
Plus, as others have pointed out, what would be the point in their rioting? I'd assume most prison riots are either a response to unfair treatment or an attempt at breaking out. The prisoners left on Fury are treated very leniently by Andrews and they've got no hope of escape because they're trapped on Fury whether Andrews is in charge or not.
The whole no guns thing really never struck me as especially far-fetched.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2019, 03:10:28 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 25, 2019, 09:45:39 PMHey, we all know the goal was to have a limited amount of prisoners, one Alien, and no weapons - script mission accomplished - but we also know, you, me, or anyone without a death wish is not going to sign up to be a custodian of murderers and rapists on an honor system without some protection. ;)
As Hicks says, prisons over here in the UK don't have weapons and the kind of disorder that can't be handled by the staff is incredibly rare.
I thought riots are on the rise in the UK due to reduced staffing? But yep, I have read the tornado squad uses riot gear: body armor, shields, helmets, batons. I wonder if tear gas is used in the UK?
So back to Alien3, if it was British run, wouldn't they have at least a weapons cache of riot gear? :)
QuoteIt's probably largely a mentality thing, and the mentality of the inmates in the third film is quite clearly seen to be pretty docile - they're content to just wait out their lives there in comparative peace and harmony.
Plus, as others have pointed out, what would be the point in their rioting? I'd assume most prison riots are either a response to unfair treatment or an attempt at breaking out. The prisoners left on Fury are treated very leniently by Andrews and they've got no hope of escape because they're trapped on Fury whether Andrews is in charge or not.
When some are lunatics, there doesn't have to be a point in rioting I think.
QuoteThe whole no guns thing really never struck me as especially far-fetched.
That's absolutely fair. Also I bet how one feels about it can also be influenced by region and life experiences, at least I'd assume.
It's funny, general Alien3 annoyances came up, so I mentioned this as one of mine, not realizing it would have triggered such a debate. In retrospect I should have created its own thread for it!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2019, 03:33:53 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2019, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:24:45 PMWhen some are lunatics, there doesn't have to be a point in rioting I think.
The inmates on Fury aren't lunatics though. They're obviously hardened criminals, but they all come across as pretty sane (with the exception of Golic, but he seems too simple to really cause trouble).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:41:24 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 26, 2019, 03:33:53 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:24:45 PMWhen some are lunatics, there doesn't have to be a point in rioting I think.
The inmates on Fury aren't lunatics though. They're obviously hardened criminals, but they all come across as pretty sane (with the exception of Golic, but he seems too simple to really cause trouble).
Well I always felt to be a murderer or rapist your sanity is not sound to begin with. And it's always the people next door that "seemed so normal" that you'd never expect are the ones revealed to be dining on fingers and toes. :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 05:34:44 PM
Post by: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 05:34:44 PM
You would be amazed how logical most murderers and rapist are. There are many layers. Many of them may only be murderers in a specific set of circumstances such as a crime of passion, or in Clemen's case, a crime of negligence. Rapist are exhibiting power over others, but that may just be one facet of their personality. Layers.
With 3 staff, and 1 an ex-inmate, riot gear probably wouldn't be very useful vs 25 inmates in a riot situation. Especially inmates that are essentially allowed free roam of the facility (another real life reflection based on jurisdiction), free access to tools, fire axes, etc., as well as the wealth of materials available to make melee weapons. I've seen knives made from trash bags that would get the job done. There has to by a relationship besides authoritarianism for Fury to work. Andrews can still be a hardass, but he also seems like he allows Dillon to lead the inmates, and he also has to realize he has zero chance of escape if he pushes the envelope too far. It's actually a really interesting dynamic I never properly considered before. It makes the movie seem more real to me, and adds some depth that reminds me of the space truckers vibe in Alien.
With 3 staff, and 1 an ex-inmate, riot gear probably wouldn't be very useful vs 25 inmates in a riot situation. Especially inmates that are essentially allowed free roam of the facility (another real life reflection based on jurisdiction), free access to tools, fire axes, etc., as well as the wealth of materials available to make melee weapons. I've seen knives made from trash bags that would get the job done. There has to by a relationship besides authoritarianism for Fury to work. Andrews can still be a hardass, but he also seems like he allows Dillon to lead the inmates, and he also has to realize he has zero chance of escape if he pushes the envelope too far. It's actually a really interesting dynamic I never properly considered before. It makes the movie seem more real to me, and adds some depth that reminds me of the space truckers vibe in Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 05:34:44 PM
You would be amazed how logical most murderers and rapist are. There are many layers. Many of them may only be murderers in a specific set of circumstances such as a crime of passion, or in Clemen's case, a crime of negligence. Rapist are exhibiting power over others, but that may just be one facet of their personality. Layers.
I don't personally equate logical thought processes with sanity, and equate their lack thereof polar opposites as a rule, but I hear what you're saying.
QuoteWith 3 staff, and 1 an ex-inmate, riot gear probably wouldn't be very useful vs 25 inmates in a riot situation. Especially inmates that are essentially allowed free roam of the facility (another real life reflection based on jurisdiction), free access to tools, fire axes, etc., as well as the wealth of materials available to make melee weapons. I've seen knives made from trash bags that would get the job done. There has to by a relationship besides authoritarianism for Fury to work. Andrews can still be a hardass, but he also seems like he allows Dillon to lead the inmates, and he also has to realize he has zero chance of escape if he pushes the envelope too far. It's actually a really interesting dynamic I never properly considered before. It makes the movie seem more real to me, and adds some depth that reminds me of the space truckers vibe in Alien.
It's more faith than I'd be willing to commit to that enterprise. What? There's a great employment opportunity for a Maximum Security Prison based on the Honor System? I'll keep looking thank you. :laugh:
Thanks for your insight!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 26, 2019, 07:58:44 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 26, 2019, 07:58:44 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jul 26, 2019, 01:28:10 PM
I stayed up late and watched the Alien 3 assembly cut again. I like the movie more every time I watch it. I still feel like it could be shorter. I also think Clemens was killed a little too soon. The special effects really do take away from it when it isn't a suit or puppet. The performances, score, set design, and cinematography are all top notch.
It is the perfect ending to a trilogy.
Agreed. Although the dodgy SFX are still the puppet, it's just composited badly into the shots.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
When some are lunatics, there doesn't have to be a point in rioting I think.
I think there's a good chance the convicts would self police to an extent, if a few of them go off the rails, Dillon and the rest will bring them back in line to maintain their situation.
QuoteThat's absolutely fair. Also I bet how one feels about it can also be influenced by region and life experiences, at least I'd assume.
Very true. Us commonwwealth types seem less incredulous of it, and Razeak has added a lot of insight to the discussion. I think there's also some values based judgements about what turns someone into a violent criminal going on, to a lesser extent.
QuoteIt's funny, general Alien3 annoyances came up, so I mentioned this as one of mine, not realizing it would have triggered such a debate. In retrospect I should have created its own thread for it!
This is the exact type of natural and positive derailment I mentioned the other week! I don't think there's any harm done, and the original topic is so eternal it'll steer itself back on track soon enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2019, 08:14:06 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 26, 2019, 08:14:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 26, 2019, 07:07:55 AM
Considering it seems to be a British run facility...there being no weapons in the prison isn't surprising in the slightest. We have shields and batons. That's about it.
Was it really British-run though? Just because the staff was British doesn't mean much if the prison was owned and operated by the multinational Weyland-Yutani.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 26, 2019, 08:16:24 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 26, 2019, 08:16:24 PM
Which is primarily British and Japanese...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 26, 2019, 07:58:44 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 26, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
It's funny, general Alien3 annoyances came up, so I mentioned this as one of mine, not realizing it would have triggered such a debate. In retrospect I should have created its own thread for it!
This is the exact type of natural and positive derailment I mentioned the other week! I don't think there's any harm done, and the original topic is so eternal it'll steer itself back on track soon enough.
Ha! Indeed! Good example! Very true. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 26, 2019, 09:19:53 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 26, 2019, 09:19:53 PM
Frank laid the second egg.
And royal facehuggers can influence regular facehuggers.
And royal facehuggers can influence regular facehuggers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 11:03:20 PM
Post by: SM on Jul 26, 2019, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 26, 2019, 08:16:24 PM
Which is primarily British and Japanese...
It was primarily British and Japanese once upon a time based on its founders. But based on the staff in Alien, Aliens, and Covenant, it's mostly American.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Aug 06, 2019, 12:39:43 PM
Post by: razeak on Aug 06, 2019, 12:39:43 PM
I haven't read all the current novels or I may have missed it in the ones I have, but is there any idea of the political makeup of Earth around Alien 3? I may just be having a problem recalling what it is.
My impression is that WY is obviously involved in everything due to crony capitalism. Does the USA or UK exist as we know them today during Alien-Alien 3? I don't have it in front of me at the moment, but the Technical Manual seemed to imply there were still sovereign nations. I need to check that when I get home tonight. Is anything in it considered canon anyway?
My impression is that WY is obviously involved in everything due to crony capitalism. Does the USA or UK exist as we know them today during Alien-Alien 3? I don't have it in front of me at the moment, but the Technical Manual seemed to imply there were still sovereign nations. I need to check that when I get home tonight. Is anything in it considered canon anyway?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
The upcoming RPG is probably your best place for that. Without going into the PDF to check the specifics, you can find the different political powers on the galactic map they released.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 06, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 06, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
Earth Hive talks a bit about how Earth works I think. Its suppose to be set after Alien 3 even with the Wilks/Bille thing. WY isn't involved though, its the government and other corporations doing the stuff.
The only stuff I remember going as far as mentioning existing countries/factions would Steel Egg, Covenant Origins. Those are meant to be before Alien though. The post-Alien 3 EU that happens to mentions Earth does it in the general sense and very briefly. Oh I think Sea of Sorrows mentions some countries too, that's Post-AR.
Quote from: razeak on Aug 06, 2019, 12:39:43 PM
Does the USA or UK exist as we know them today during Alien-Alien 3?
The only stuff I remember going as far as mentioning existing countries/factions would Steel Egg, Covenant Origins. Those are meant to be before Alien though. The post-Alien 3 EU that happens to mentions Earth does it in the general sense and very briefly. Oh I think Sea of Sorrows mentions some countries too, that's Post-AR.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
The United States Colonial Marines sporting the American flag is a pretty good indicator that the USA still exists as a global power.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 06, 2019, 03:21:36 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Aug 06, 2019, 03:21:36 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 06, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
The upcoming RPG is probably your best place for that. Without going into the PDF to check the specifics, you can find the different political powers on the galactic map they released.
Quite a beautiful map.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Aug 06, 2019, 05:39:03 PM
Post by: razeak on Aug 06, 2019, 05:39:03 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
The United States Colonial Marines sporting the American flag is a pretty good indicator that the USA still exists as a global power.
Well....ummmm....what happened was...derp.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 06, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 06, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
US Space Force is canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2019, 08:34:14 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2019, 08:34:14 PM
QuoteDoes the USA or UK exist as we know them today during Alien-Alien 3?
More or less.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
USA just got a lot bigger is all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2019, 09:15:35 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2019, 09:15:35 PM
Don't think so.
Unless you're talking about space.
Unless you're talking about space.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
The United Americas thing. Or are the original states still a semi-separate entity within that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
Post by: SM on Aug 06, 2019, 09:20:10 PM
If they're still using US flags, then I think the UA is like the EU. A pact or treaty rather than a completely new country.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2019, 09:21:18 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 06, 2019, 09:21:18 PM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2019, 09:33:57 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 06, 2019, 09:33:57 PM
See also: USS and USCSS.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Aug 06, 2019, 09:54:11 PM
Post by: The Old One on Aug 06, 2019, 09:54:11 PM
I think the Alien RPG covers the factions excellently.
And it isn't even finished.
And it isn't even finished.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2019, 07:17:59 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2019, 07:17:59 AM
So...
Spoiler
Has it happened yet?
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 20, 2019, 05:00:18 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Aug 20, 2019, 05:00:18 PM
Seems like Randy tried to close this thread. That was ACM's true purpose.
Quote from: Predator@Alien on Aug 18, 2019, 07:00:54 PM
And for Stasis Interrupted, I think that the mystery of the egg of Alien 3 is resolved. When Lisbeth is alone after Stone and Turk leave her, we can see them in the umbilical. Two Xenos follow them but much more, as we can see in the mission 2 of Stasis Interrupted. One of them could bring a egg with in the hypersleep chamber, because it was a more secure place. It will also explain why it's a Royal Facehugger, because the eggs from the Legato come from the queen on LV-426. And now it's too far from the queen, they don't have any. So it's the occasion to have a new queen maybe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2019, 05:06:27 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2019, 05:06:27 PM
I'll have to ask Randy about that when Hicks and I interview him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 11, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 11, 2019, 11:45:41 AM
Well that does make sense, but I don't know if anyone considers ACM canon, I prefer the one about the Ovaries of the Queen falling out.
then again, maybe they're in a simulation with a certain percentage of possibility of an egg spawning and that's why they all died.
then again, maybe they're in a simulation with a certain percentage of possibility of an egg spawning and that's why they all died.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Dec 11, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Dec 11, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
And I was sure we were gonna finish 2019 without bringing this thread back.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2019, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2019, 01:10:00 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 11, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
And I was sure we were gonna finish 2019 without bringing this thread back.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Dec 11, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
Post by: razeak on Dec 11, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
No joke, I've been waiting on this bump lol. It will not die, for better or worse haha.
So....maybe the egg sac is just a way to deposit said eggs and let them mature, but its not impossible that an egg couldn't fall out and still continue to develop. They are a hardy species after all.
Now how they climb up and attach to the ceiling I couldn't guess.
So....maybe the egg sac is just a way to deposit said eggs and let them mature, but its not impossible that an egg couldn't fall out and still continue to develop. They are a hardy species after all.
Now how they climb up and attach to the ceiling I couldn't guess.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2019, 02:59:45 PM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2019, 02:59:45 PM
No one considers ACM canon lol.
And it, really, really, really ought to die-
every theory's got posted, repeatedly, it's just idiotic at this point.
And it, really, really, really ought to die-
every theory's got posted, repeatedly, it's just idiotic at this point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2019, 04:11:25 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2019, 04:11:25 PM
This may very well be the most important thread on the internet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2019, 05:59:32 PM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 11, 2019, 05:59:32 PM
Yes it's inclusion is strange, as it's so obviously redundant, nonsensical and only serves to mean the audience's knowledge is far greater than the knowledge of the protagonist.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2019, 06:07:43 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 11, 2019, 06:07:43 PM
Does the new RPG have anything to say about it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Dec 12, 2019, 12:37:31 AM
Post by: Huggs on Dec 12, 2019, 12:37:31 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Dec 11, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
And I was sure we were gonna finish 2019 without bringing this thread back.
There's no stopping what can't be stopped. No killing what can't be killed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 12:54:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 12:54:01 AM
Not even the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants could stop it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Dec 12, 2019, 12:57:19 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Dec 12, 2019, 12:57:19 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Dec 12, 2019, 12:37:31 AMQuote from: Samhain13 on Dec 11, 2019, 12:56:49 PM
And I was sure we were gonna finish 2019 without bringing this thread back.
There's no stopping what can't be stopped. No killing what can't be killed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 12, 2019, 02:37:47 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 12, 2019, 02:37:47 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 02:41:46 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 02:41:46 AM
QuoteNo joke, I've been waiting on this bump lol. It will not die, for better or worse haha.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 02:42:32 AM
Post by: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 02:42:32 AM
I have a feeling that a new Alien film that will erasing Alien 3 out of the canon can happen anytme soon, with or without Neil Blomkamp (and James Cameron).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 02:48:47 AM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 02:48:47 AM
Never happening, because it's a bad idea to de-canonise a good film, one that's inspired the best content that's come out of the franchise in the past years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 02:50:00 AM
Post by: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 02:50:00 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 12, 2019, 02:48:47 AMHow do you know that lol
Never happening.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 02:50:42 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 02:50:42 AM
Quote from: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 02:42:32 AM
I have a feeling that a new Alien film that will erasing Alien 3 out of the canon can happen anytme soon, with or without Neil Blomkamp (and James Cameron).
Wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 02:54:55 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 02:54:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 02:50:42 AMQuote from: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 02:42:32 AM
I have a feeling that a new Alien film that will erasing Alien 3 out of the canon can happen anytme soon, with or without Neil Blomkamp (and James Cameron).
Wouldn't surprise me.
My search-fu fails me at the moment, but didn't you once say that the people at Fox were for it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 02:56:05 AM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 02:56:05 AM
James Stokoe's (Including cryotube deaths, a mention of an outbreak of cholera and a ventilation grab) Dead Orbit, Kelsey Taylor's Specimen and Alex White's The Cold Forge, all the best things in ALIEN in their respective mediums since the first three Alien films, and all the creators exist as self proclaimed proponents of the last film in that Trilogy, the last time we got someone who wanted to retcon the last film in that Trilogy, we got Aliens Colonial Marines.
The RPG also uses the ending of it, and Morse's account as a major jumping off point.
Hollywood is ageist, and for once, that's a good thing.
The RPG also uses the ending of it, and Morse's account as a major jumping off point.
Hollywood is ageist, and for once, that's a good thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 03:02:33 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 03:02:33 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 02:54:55 AMQuote from: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 02:50:42 AMQuote from: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 02:42:32 AM
I have a feeling that a new Alien film that will erasing Alien 3 out of the canon can happen anytme soon, with or without Neil Blomkamp (and James Cameron).
Wouldn't surprise me.
My search-fu fails me at the moment, but didn't you once say that the people at Fox were for it?
I think there was talk at one point of just keeping Alien and Aliens and using them as the jumping off point for EU stuff.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 03:04:47 AM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 03:04:47 AM
Somehow I doubt Disney is planning on declaring everything but them non-canon, while profit exists to be created off the rest- it's just pointless from their perspective when it never was a Star Wars level franchise in popularity, and that's clearly not the active plan judging by the RPG.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 03:07:48 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 03:07:48 AM
I think Marvel (and therefore Disney) is still profiting from republished SW Legends material, but that doesn't mean it's canon.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Epic_Collection
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Epic_Collection
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 03:18:05 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 03:18:05 AM
Dark Horse is still doing it with the old collected Aliens and AvP comics, same as Titan repackaging and republishing the novels.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 03:18:23 AM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 03:18:23 AM
Doing that to the Expanded Universe is one thing, the film Anthology most people who know what Alien is own, is completely another.
As I've said before, Alien is a Terminator tier franchise in terms of notoriety, so middle tier- it doesn't nearly reach Star Wars' heights in that regard. The idea of bringing back the original lead and playing on people's nostalgia, failed for Terminator even though the former franchise is probably considerably more accessible, not being necessarily a horror franchise, so that approach with the Alien franchise? Failure is a certainty.
The only option is forward, with perhaps a more modest budget, perhaps with one last Prequel.
As I've said before, Alien is a Terminator tier franchise in terms of notoriety, so middle tier- it doesn't nearly reach Star Wars' heights in that regard. The idea of bringing back the original lead and playing on people's nostalgia, failed for Terminator even though the former franchise is probably considerably more accessible, not being necessarily a horror franchise, so that approach with the Alien franchise? Failure is a certainty.
The only option is forward, with perhaps a more modest budget, perhaps with one last Prequel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 03:33:25 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 03:33:25 AM
At least it would render this thread moot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Dec 12, 2019, 03:36:52 AM
Post by: Huggs on Dec 12, 2019, 03:36:52 AM
Then it should remain decidedly un-moot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 04:24:45 AM
Post by: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 04:24:45 AM
Personally, I like alien 3 (just like, not love). Alien 3 is not a bad movie. But I don't mind if it get retcon in the near future.
Judging from overwhelming negative reception of Alien 3. I wouldn't be surprise if it get retcon in the future. Alien and Aliens are the only two solid installment in the franchsie that cannot be erased/ retconned from the canon.
As for how did the egg get onboard the Sulaco.
My theory is when Bishop was ripped in half by the Queen. The Queen left some genetic material(similar to black goo) inside Bishop lower part. It consuming materials inside Bishop lower part and morph into an egg. (My theory is inspire by William Gibson script)
There are still more aspects of the Xenomorph life cycle that have we have yet to learn about.
Judging from overwhelming negative reception of Alien 3. I wouldn't be surprise if it get retcon in the future. Alien and Aliens are the only two solid installment in the franchsie that cannot be erased/ retconned from the canon.
As for how did the egg get onboard the Sulaco.
My theory is when Bishop was ripped in half by the Queen. The Queen left some genetic material(similar to black goo) inside Bishop lower part. It consuming materials inside Bishop lower part and morph into an egg. (My theory is inspire by William Gibson script)
There are still more aspects of the Xenomorph life cycle that have we have yet to learn about.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 12, 2019, 05:15:34 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 12, 2019, 05:15:34 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 05:16:41 AM
Post by: The Old One on Dec 12, 2019, 05:16:41 AM
Again, Disney is about profit not anything else, that's why it's not happening as I explained above. From what I gather from most places, as I am, and was in the past on multiple forums- is actually that most people consider the first three all solid, with the majority obviously considering the first two perfect, and arguing over putting one above the other. Usually that discussion eventually involves Alien³ with people lamenting the deaths of certain key characters, but with a lot of people praising it and telling others to watch the Special Edition.
Most people don't even talk about Resurrection.
The majority of people appear to contain equal destain for Prometheus and Covenant, mainly because of the characterisation, contrivances and demystifying the SJ and Alien. But a group does enjoy them, or one of them, even just conceptually, while waiting for a final one to do everything right the last ones did wrong and wrap up the story.
Most people don't even talk about Resurrection.
The majority of people appear to contain equal destain for Prometheus and Covenant, mainly because of the characterisation, contrivances and demystifying the SJ and Alien. But a group does enjoy them, or one of them, even just conceptually, while waiting for a final one to do everything right the last ones did wrong and wrap up the story.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 12, 2019, 09:03:16 AM
Post by: Dingbat on Dec 12, 2019, 09:03:16 AM
But actually, if we would consider the queen dropping DNA in the ship to be a possibility, would that also mean that the queen in AVP could've done the same? So there could be a small island full of xenomorphs in antarctica.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2019, 11:05:37 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2019, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 12, 2019, 03:02:33 AMI think there was talk at one point of just keeping Alien and Aliens and using them as the jumping off point for EU stuff.
James A. Moore said that was the initial standpoint when he was writing Sea of Sorrows, but then Fox changed their minds and had him rework it to reference Resurrection as having happened too.
Title: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 12, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 12, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 07:27:31 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 12, 2019, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: Alien Primordial Origin on Dec 12, 2019, 04:24:45 AMMy theory is when Bishop was ripped in half by the Queen. The Queen left some genetic material(similar to black goo) inside Bishop lower part. It consuming materials inside Bishop lower part and morph into an egg. (My theory is inspire by William Gibson script)
Not bad.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 13, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 13, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
Goddamn Royal Jelly crap again.
Lol
Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 13, 2019, 01:46:38 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Dec 13, 2019, 01:46:38 PM
Tis the season
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 13, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 13, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Dec 13, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
Goddamn Royal Jelly crap again.
Lol
There's not enough royal jelly in your life.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Still Collating... on Dec 13, 2019, 10:40:04 PM
Post by: Still Collating... on Dec 13, 2019, 10:40:04 PM
I'm imagining some high end, delicious jelly for a rich guys 300$ PB&J sandwich.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Dec 13, 2019, 11:43:55 PM
Post by: Huggs on Dec 13, 2019, 11:43:55 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 14, 2019, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Dec 14, 2019, 12:23:00 AM
Classic Wayne
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Dirty Harry on Dec 29, 2019, 02:08:59 PM
Post by: Dirty Harry on Dec 29, 2019, 02:08:59 PM
I think the Queen can lay small primitive eggs without her sack
and they take a while to mature out of it.
Let's consider it´s a being that can adapt almost to everything.
and they take a while to mature out of it.
Let's consider it´s a being that can adapt almost to everything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Dec 29, 2019, 04:25:19 PM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 29, 2019, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: Dirty Harry on Dec 29, 2019, 02:08:59 PM
I think the Queen can lay small primitive eggs without her sack
and they take a while to mature out of it.
Let's consider it´s a being that can adapt almost to everything.
That's how I see it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jan 01, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
Post by: razeak on Jan 01, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
So did the egg crawl up the wall and attach itself to the ceiling too?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2020, 06:56:21 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2020, 06:56:21 AM
No, it flew.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 01, 2020, 07:34:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 01, 2020, 07:34:03 AM
Quote from: razeak on Jan 01, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
So did the egg crawl up the wall and attach itself to the ceiling too?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
It's not even really a "new ability," just an extension of what we've already seen. The eggs obviously start out small and develop over time within the queen's ovipositor, right?
My theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 01, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 01, 2020, 08:20:39 AM
^ This, the best theory in the thread, all the info you require.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 01, 2020, 08:24:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 01, 2020, 08:24:43 AM
That's an unexpected change of heart.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 01, 2020, 08:25:51 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 01, 2020, 08:25:51 AM
I never said otherwise, actually just that I think the in real life reason is as I listed before and that's the way the film ought to be with the footage available so the audience isn't as vastly ahead of the characters as currently it is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 01, 2020, 11:26:32 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 01, 2020, 11:26:32 PM
Newt did it. She survived all that time with no weapons or training? Bullsh*t. She had Stockholm syndrome and they let her live to help attract other hosts. She was cocooned in the hive, and had access to alien materials. She was also under the floor for several minutes.
She had means, motive, and opportunity. Somebody swear out a warrant, I want her brought in for questioning.
She had means, motive, and opportunity. Somebody swear out a warrant, I want her brought in for questioning.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jan 02, 2020, 01:41:16 AM
Post by: razeak on Jan 02, 2020, 01:41:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 01, 2020, 06:56:21 AM
No, it flew.
Nah. You got it wrong. Newt laid the egg. Like above, she was in on it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 02, 2020, 01:49:40 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 02, 2020, 01:49:40 AM
Regarding Newts:
"Fertilized eggs are laid singly and are usually attached to aquatic plants. This distinguishes them from the free-floating eggs of frogs or toads, which are laid in clumps or in strings. Plant leaves are usually folded over and attached to the eggs to protect them. The larvae, which resemble fish fry but are distinguished by their feathery external gills, hatch out in about three weeks."
"Fertilized eggs are laid singly and are usually attached to aquatic plants. This distinguishes them from the free-floating eggs of frogs or toads, which are laid in clumps or in strings. Plant leaves are usually folded over and attached to the eggs to protect them. The larvae, which resemble fish fry but are distinguished by their feathery external gills, hatch out in about three weeks."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 02, 2020, 02:12:48 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 02, 2020, 02:12:48 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jan 01, 2020, 11:26:32 PM
Newt did it. She survived all that time with no weapons or training? Bullsh*t.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 10, 2020, 10:09:42 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 10, 2020, 10:09:42 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 01, 2020, 07:34:03 AMQuote from: razeak on Jan 01, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
So did the egg crawl up the wall and attach itself to the ceiling too?Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
It's not even really a "new ability," just an extension of what we've already seen. The eggs obviously start out small and develop over time within the queen's ovipositor, right?
My theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
Fell off...like a cling-on poop?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 10, 2020, 10:21:15 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 10, 2020, 10:21:15 PM
Yeah, but a soft, wet one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 11, 2020, 11:40:31 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 11, 2020, 11:40:31 AM
It's the best idea, but it also means if it's true, only the Special Edition is canon- because one Egg, one Facehugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2020, 12:08:22 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2020, 12:08:22 PM
That is not a bad theory but eggs usually do require or at least prefer warm and humid temperatures, they also do need to gather nutrients which is they have those roots, I can't imagine there was anything to feed off on the ceiling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 11, 2020, 05:59:06 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 11, 2020, 05:59:06 PM
And it all could've been avoided if they'd just used a ShamWow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 11, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 11, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
Or not included the shot of it at all, it currently raises more questions than answers, leave it to the audience's imagination because the "how" is ultimately inconsequential.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 11, 2020, 07:00:36 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 11, 2020, 07:00:36 PM
In a cinematic universe where penis-head monsters from outer space commit "rapelication", one upside down egg should only cause so much consternation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 11, 2020, 07:26:44 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 11, 2020, 07:26:44 PM
And yet, totally understandable and valid consternation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2020, 09:54:59 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2020, 09:54:59 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 11, 2020, 11:40:31 AM
It's the best idea, but it also means if it's true, only the Special Edition is canon- because one Egg, one Facehugger.
I don't see how that's not also the case in the theatrical edition. ???
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2020, 12:08:22 PMThat is not a bad theory but eggs usually do require or at least prefer warm and humid temperatures, they also do need to gather nutrients which is they have those roots, I can't imagine there was anything to feed off on the ceiling.
That all depends on what qualifies as nutrients to the aliens. If they can consume and digest inorganic material like metal, the egg could have fed off the Sulaco itself (or Bishop's legs if they were still nearby).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jan 11, 2020, 10:54:55 PM
Post by: razeak on Jan 11, 2020, 10:54:55 PM
It would have worked better to just have a facehugger that hitched a ride on the dropship also.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2020, 11:45:25 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2020, 11:45:25 PM
Can't have an Alien movie without an egg though. ;D
They're not unlike SM's pizza in that regard.
They're not unlike SM's pizza in that regard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 12, 2020, 02:53:08 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 12, 2020, 02:53:08 AM
I thought he fancied pineapple?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 06:27:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 06:27:39 AM
That would be SiL. I don't recall any pineapples in the Alien films though.
Maybe on one of Brett's shirts? ???
Maybe on one of Brett's shirts? ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 06:54:03 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 06:54:03 AM
Because everything we know states that only a Royal Facehugger can implant more than once, and the (Royal) Egg we see is considerably different in design from the regular type and the Praetomorph type.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 06:57:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 06:57:44 AM
I still don't see the distinction. It's a royal facehugger in either edition.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:00:33 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:00:33 AM
We clearly see the one attacking the Dog is not. Meaning in the Theatrical Version it's two or more Facehuggers onboard causing the Electrical Fire, with the Royal one perishing onboard and the Regular one making it to the planet's surface. None of that makes any sense if the Egg is real.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:03:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:03:43 AM
The blood doesn't mean it perished. Nor could Ripley have been the one in the neuroscan since her tube wasn't breached until afterward.
It would only need to do this in the AC because Ripley was ejected from the EEV and washed up on the beach. In the theatrical edition, she remained in her cryotube.
It's even conceivable that the facehugger actually saved Ripley from drowning in the AC.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2018, 03:23:13 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2017, 01:42:28 PM
My theory is that it started out as the regular-looking version we saw crawling around on the Sulaco. Then it grew armor, spikes and webbing to adapt to its hostile aquatic environment following the EEV's splashdown.
It would only need to do this in the AC because Ripley was ejected from the EEV and washed up on the beach. In the theatrical edition, she remained in her cryotube.
It's even conceivable that the facehugger actually saved Ripley from drowning in the AC.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:08:47 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:08:47 AM
Yes, but the EEV got flooded in every version of the film regardless. We see Ripley's cryotube cracked open as she falls to the planet and we know Newt drowns. Apart from that it nearly works okay if the film is the only source, but it isn't, even forgetting any of the new material directly referencing Royal Eggs, the Praetomorph Eggs in Covenant set a precedent that an Egg produces a Facehugger with features of it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:14:23 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:14:23 AM
When it comes to Alien 3, the only source I adhere to is the movie.
I can't be arsed to include Covenant either.
I can't be arsed to include Covenant either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:18:21 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:18:21 AM
That's fair enough, but that's hardly the only reason the idea isn't believable, as I stated above.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:23:14 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:23:14 AM
The EEV wasn't completely flooded in the theatrical cut and Ripley stayed in her tube so that version of the facehugger didn't need to sprout webbing, spikes and armor.
Not sure what else you're talking about. In both editions, there's one egg and one facehugger. The only difference is the circumstance in which the facehugger impregnates Ripley: in her cryotube or while she's drifting to the beach.
Not sure what else you're talking about. In both editions, there's one egg and one facehugger. The only difference is the circumstance in which the facehugger impregnates Ripley: in her cryotube or while she's drifting to the beach.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:28:43 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:28:43 AM
If you say so, I don't believe a "Royal Facehugger" just looks like a Regular one and the physical distinction is purely environmental, because every other source says otherwise, in Aliens several Facehuggers get housed in a type of liquid with no changes and in Alien Ash describes the original Facehugger replacing it's cells to adapt to it's environment but it does not change in appearance one molecule.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:34:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:34:26 AM
I imagine the mutation only kicks in if there's a need for it. There's not much ocean current in a motionless stasis tube, thus no need for webbing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:34:52 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:34:52 AM
Even being very generous that's nonsense, if it's possible for the Facehugger to change that drastically to the point of growing considerably larger, developing armour, sharp nails and webbing the ones in Aliens certainly must've escaped by using that ability, but we know that's not what happened.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:36:07 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:36:07 AM
You didn't think so before...
Alternatively, we could always disregard the AC as a novelty in same way we do the director's cut of Alien.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jun 12, 2018, 03:33:59 AM
Yeah I can buy that, never thought of it before tho.
Alternatively, we could always disregard the AC as a novelty in same way we do the director's cut of Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:54:13 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:54:13 AM
It's an interesting idea, but not a correct one when you've got time to ruminate on it as shown above. So in light of this, it's clear the SE is canon and the TE is not yes? Or the Egg is just a manifestation of the Alien presence and isn't really present in the TE anyway, your choice.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 07:59:11 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 07:59:11 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:14:23 AM
When it comes to Alien 3, the only source I adhere to is the movie.
I guess that rules out the sound of a scuttling facehugger at the end of Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:59:52 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 07:59:52 AM
I don't see why that matters.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 08:03:47 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 12, 2020, 07:54:13 AMSo in light of this, it's clear the SE is canon and the TE is not yes?
Nah, not really. The TC is easier to reconcile because it doesn't introduce yet another unexplained variable in the form of a super facehugger to an already overcomplicated scenario.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 08:05:54 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 08:05:54 AM
But it's not easier to reconcile, if you forget your bias for one second you know that, because the TE more substantially contradicts the rest of the (Ash's Facehugger observation Alien, the captured Facehuggers Aliens) Trilogy, the (Alien Covenant) Prequels and the (Royal Egg, Royal Facehugger) lore. And one Facehugger from one Egg that's clearly a new type, attempting to infect three individuals and appearing to only get one for the majority of the film- is considerably simpler than, all that, with the added complexity of it transforming from the type we know, to a new type for traversal or while in another version it looks nearly identical or not distinct enough to ones we've seen before but behaves enormously differently for who knows why.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 08:10:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 08:10:01 AM
I don't see how.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 09:23:45 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 09:23:45 AM
TC = One facehugger in the face of an absent queen lays two embryos. The Queen and her protector.
AC = One facehugger implants the Queen and another (or the same thats morphed into a new unseen form) lays the protector.
In both scenarios its the egg that is the issue.
AC = One facehugger implants the Queen and another (or the same thats morphed into a new unseen form) lays the protector.
In both scenarios its the egg that is the issue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
I guess we've reached "consensus" then regardless, one Egg, one Facehugger, implanted multiple individuals with only one being successful, originally hidden away somewhere inside the landing gear of the dropship according to the Blu-ray Main Menu. It's also clear the way it's depicted in the Special Edition that it's one creature, using alternate models in the opening, but it works because it's veiled in shadow. I'm also certain the ovipositor only exists so the Queen isn't required to move after every birth anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 12:04:12 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 12:04:12 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 12, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
It's also clear the way it's depicted in the Special Edition that it's one creature, using alternate models in the opening, but it works because it's veiled in shadow.
If you're talking about the facehugger, its up to interpretation whether the facehugger we see Murphy holding up is the same as the one we see breaking into the cyrotubes. And they're hardly veiled in shadow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 12:10:27 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 12:10:27 PM
The super hugger is much bigger than the one on the x-ray in opening titles.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 12:37:50 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 12:37:50 PM
That's the one shot where it's not veiled in shadow, it's only half a second long while the shot of it in the dark when it looks brown is far longer, and the fact no webbing is present is barely noticeable. I don't know how many hundreds of times I've watched the film before I noticed the rather minute differences with such fast editing. As for the monitor, again it's translucent, blue and inaccurate to the proportions already because we know in hindsight that's not an adult's head.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 12:46:01 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 12, 2020, 12:46:01 PM
The facehugger Murphy holds up is noticeably bigger and even in the screengrab you posted you can see its fingers are not webbed.
The facehugger either morphed from a regular one to the big one, or they're two separate huggers.
The facehugger either morphed from a regular one to the big one, or they're two separate huggers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2020, 12:54:27 PM
Or it's a movie and its a goof, like the Sulaco suddenly being brown.
It's still inconsistent, no different to if they recast Hicks as an African American in a sequel.
It's still inconsistent, no different to if they recast Hicks as an African American in a sequel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kailem on Jan 12, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
Post by: Kailem on Jan 12, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
"There are TWO HUGGERS!!"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 01:57:14 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 01:57:14 PM
More than one Facehugger means no Egg as far as I'm concerned, otherwise showing it is completely pointless, other than showing the audience in a sort of non-diegetic way that the Alien species is present.
As for how egregious the location detail change is, I think it's closer to Logan's claws being bone at the end of The Wolverine and then metal again in Days of Future Past. It's not quite Fury Road level or 343 Industries first Halo level changing the artstyle completely, so when Master Chief awoke, it only kept the core concept.
The most notable change is the design of the Cryotubes. It's just artistic liberty, like the redesign of the Sulaco for the EEV, the designation for the Sulaco written in white on the outside because of the colour tones and the inside of the Sulaco's more hospital white tones, it's just representative.
As for how egregious the location detail change is, I think it's closer to Logan's claws being bone at the end of The Wolverine and then metal again in Days of Future Past. It's not quite Fury Road level or 343 Industries first Halo level changing the artstyle completely, so when Master Chief awoke, it only kept the core concept.
The most notable change is the design of the Cryotubes. It's just artistic liberty, like the redesign of the Sulaco for the EEV, the designation for the Sulaco written in white on the outside because of the colour tones and the inside of the Sulaco's more hospital white tones, it's just representative.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 12, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 12, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Alien3 is cryotube dream.
Leave it at that.
And no royal jelly.
#newtlives
Leave it at that.
And no royal jelly.
#newtlives
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 08:36:38 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 08:36:38 PM
Just don't post if you're not going to participate seriously. May be other versions of the story, in-between Aliens and Alien³ perhaps. Otherwise? No.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 08:47:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 12, 2020, 12:37:50 PMThat's the one shot where it's not veiled in shadow, it's only half a second long while the shot of it in the dark when it looks brown is far longer, and the fact no webbing is present is barely noticeable.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I've always noticed it.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 12, 2020, 02:58:23 PMAlien3 is cryotube dream.
Quite possibly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 09:05:27 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 12, 2020, 09:05:27 PM
Again, if you're contribution isn't serious, get out, we know it happened and all the good stuff to come out of the universe in the past thirty years says as much.
I can't believe I'm even entertaining the concept of it being a dream. It's beyond idiotic baiting and I'm idiotic enough to chase.
I can't believe I'm even entertaining the concept of it being a dream. It's beyond idiotic baiting and I'm idiotic enough to chase.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:01:04 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:01:04 PM
But didn't you used to say that the entire opening sequence was a dream though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 10:08:07 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 10:08:07 PM
It could be. But every time she wakes up it's always worse.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Also...
SM says it could only be Hicks though.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 12, 2020, 12:37:50 PMAs for the monitor, again it's translucent, blue and inaccurate to the proportions already because we know in hindsight that's not an adult's head.
SM says it could only be Hicks though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jan 12, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
Post by: razeak on Jan 12, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
The concept of the entire series being a dream that gets worse is actually a cool idea in a vaccum.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 10:37:15 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Also...Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 12, 2020, 12:37:50 PMAs for the monitor, again it's translucent, blue and inaccurate to the proportions already because we know in hindsight that's not an adult's head.
SM says it could only be Hicks though.
If considered literally.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jan 12, 2020, 10:37:24 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jan 12, 2020, 10:37:24 PM
ACM was the bad dream that Ripley had.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:40:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:40:39 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 10:37:15 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:22:44 PM
Also...Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 12, 2020, 12:37:50 PMAs for the monitor, again it's translucent, blue and inaccurate to the proportions already because we know in hindsight that's not an adult's head.
SM says it could only be Hicks though.
If considered literally.
So, if not a dream, it could only be Hicks?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 10:47:30 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 10:47:30 PM
Yes.
Or the hugger got confused and went Bishop.
Or the hugger got confused and went Bishop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:49:51 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 10:49:51 PM
Would Bishop have a human skull though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 11:45:17 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2020, 11:45:17 PM
The structure would be similar enough that the x-ray we see in the film would make it hard to tell the difference.
That said I can't imagine Bishop wouldn't have mentioned it to Ripley.
That said I can't imagine Bishop wouldn't have mentioned it to Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2020, 07:59:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2020, 07:59:31 AM
Wouldn't Bishop's head have something like the mold under his skin like Ash did?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2020, 08:50:45 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 13, 2020, 08:50:45 AM
Different models, but it seems like the smashed up Bishop might have something similar to that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 13, 2020, 10:16:48 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jan 12, 2020, 10:37:24 PM
ACM was the bad dream that Ripley had.
ACM is a nightmare we all endured.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 13, 2020, 01:10:43 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 13, 2020, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2020, 07:59:31 AM
Wouldn't Bishop's head have something like the mold under his skin like Ash did?
I never understood the lack of eye sockets here. With this head mould surely his eyes would be ridiculously bulging?
It looks like Bishops head mould is rather squished here. But notice how his eyes look like they actually fit into sockets.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 12, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Alien3 is cryotube dream.
Leave it at that.
#newtlives
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2020, 11:12:41 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 13, 2020, 11:12:41 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 13, 2020, 01:10:43 PM
I never understood the lack of eye sockets here.
No nostrils either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 14, 2020, 06:01:35 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 14, 2020, 06:01:35 AM
So many plot holes --
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 03:22:32 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 03:22:32 AM
Haben wir einen Konsens erreicht?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 15, 2020, 03:24:46 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 15, 2020, 03:24:46 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 03:22:32 AM
Haben wir einen Konsens erreicht?
9!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 15, 2020, 04:36:32 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 15, 2020, 04:36:32 AM
This thread is about as close to reaching a consensus as the Weimar Republic was.
But it almost never fails to make me wanna rerereread En attendant Godot --
But it almost never fails to make me wanna rerereread En attendant Godot --
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 15, 2020, 07:46:51 AM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 15, 2020, 07:46:51 AM
We've got a good place to wait here, waiting for God to return and raise his servants to redemption. (And we already figured it out, in fact, the Blu-ray Main Menu's existed for ten years now with the answer.) And the thread's about the Egg, not the Facehugger or anything else, so question answered.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 01:16:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Jan 12, 2020, 10:13:49 AM
https://youtu.be/-DveScyIu8U
Is this menu supposed to be depicting an accurate, scale representation of the Sulaco at the 0:24 mark?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 15, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 15, 2020, 02:22:56 PM
Ahaha. Yes and no. It matters not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 03:08:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 03:08:08 PM
Shouldn't there be more EEVs?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 16, 2020, 11:51:45 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 16, 2020, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 03:08:08 PM
Shouldn't there be more EEVs?
Perhaps there are more on the opposite side of the Sulaco?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 04:16:58 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 16, 2020, 11:51:45 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 15, 2020, 03:08:08 PM
Shouldn't there be more EEVs?
Perhaps there are more on the opposite side of the Sulaco?
Maybe, but my point is that there should be at least one more row of EEVs below the one that was ejected from the Sulaco in Alien 3, as seen here:
The Blu-ray menu only shows one row. That calls its reliability into question.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 16, 2020, 04:48:47 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 16, 2020, 04:48:47 PM
It does not, as it's only using the available to represent, such as using the imagery of the ovipositor to show the action despite the fact it no longer exists by that stage- or the number of aesthetic changes to the Sulaco from Aliens to Alien³- or recontexualising the shot as within the landing gear- but the point it's making is clear, official and on every copy of the film since 2010.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 04:55:46 PM
It also tries to sell the idea that this...
...is the dropship landing gear. I find that so profoundly unconvincing that it almost feels like gaslighting.
I don't see how it's arguing in bad faith to point out that the Blu-ray menu is inconsistent with what we actually see in the films.
...is the dropship landing gear. I find that so profoundly unconvincing that it almost feels like gaslighting.
I don't see how it's arguing in bad faith to point out that the Blu-ray menu is inconsistent with what we actually see in the films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2020, 05:35:24 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 16, 2020, 05:35:24 PM
Are you talking to yourself again Local? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 05:39:57 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 05:39:57 PM
I just like to yell at the clouds sometimes.
At least the cryotubes in both films still vaguely resemble each other enough that you can tell they have the same function. The location of the egg in Alien 3 looks nothing like a dropship.
At least the cryotubes in both films still vaguely resemble each other enough that you can tell they have the same function. The location of the egg in Alien 3 looks nothing like a dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 16, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 16, 2020, 05:58:07 PM
To be fair though, we never see the interior of that area, it's entirely possible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 06:03:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 06:03:50 PM
So, the interior of this landing gear well...
...is supposed to somehow contain the row of support beams (not to mention the light source) from the other screenshot? ???
...is supposed to somehow contain the row of support beams (not to mention the light source) from the other screenshot? ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2020, 06:05:09 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 16, 2020, 06:05:09 PM
Can we not just accept that the start of Alien 3 is a continuity clusterf*ck? :'(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 06:11:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 06:11:47 PM
It can all go away if Ripley would just wake up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Jan 16, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
Post by: The Old One on Jan 16, 2020, 06:12:06 PM
So, we've got the answer then unless you choose to ignore official material?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
Alternatively, we can ignore the Blu-ray menu. There's always the ooze theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 16, 2020, 11:41:42 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 16, 2020, 11:41:42 PM
Or the hermit crab theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 16, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
Do you ever get tired of people arguing over you?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 17, 2020, 01:56:19 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 17, 2020, 01:56:19 AM
Not really. I blame Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2020, 02:31:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2020, 02:31:57 AM
You just had to be different, didn't you? >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 17, 2020, 02:39:52 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 17, 2020, 02:39:52 AM
The only answer is when Ripley wakes up.
It's the only way to be sure.
It's the only way to be sure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 17, 2020, 09:07:31 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 17, 2020, 09:07:31 AM
The "It was all a dream" cop-out is so lame though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 17, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 17, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
Sometimes the easiest answer is the best solution.
Humans often overlook the obvious.
It's in our nature.
Humans often overlook the obvious.
It's in our nature.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Dingbat on Jan 17, 2020, 06:37:03 PM
Post by: Dingbat on Jan 17, 2020, 06:37:03 PM
I would be a little pissed off if the Disney alien series started off with Ripley waking up from a dream, I'd expect something a little more than that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 17, 2020, 07:59:26 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 17, 2020, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: Dingbat on Jan 17, 2020, 06:37:03 PM
I would be a little pissed off if the Disney alien series started off with Ripley waking up from a dream, I'd expect something a little more than that.
Disney love lame ideas! Of course they wouldn't shy away from having A3 be a dream.
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 17, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
Sometimes the easiest answer is the best solution.
Humans often overlook the obvious.
It's in our nature.
The obvious answer is have new characters without Ripley. Why try and fix something that doesn't need fixing?
Ridley understands this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jan 17, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jan 17, 2020, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: Dingbat on Jan 17, 2020, 06:37:03 PM
I would be a little pissed off if the Disney alien series started off with Ripley waking up from a dream, I'd expect something a little more than that.
Meh, it'd be easy enough to make it work if done right.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 17, 2020, 09:12:21 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 17, 2020, 09:12:21 PM
How?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
Perhaps she'd wake up in the present day to the sight of Boyd Holbrook.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 18, 2020, 04:37:29 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 18, 2020, 04:37:29 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 17, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
Perhaps she'd wake up in the present day to the sight of Boyd Holbrook.
Maybe Randy should've been in the pod?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 18, 2020, 05:33:40 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 18, 2020, 05:33:40 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jan 17, 2020, 07:59:26 PMQuote from: Dingbat on Jan 17, 2020, 06:37:03 PM
I would be a little pissed off if the Disney alien series started off with Ripley waking up from a dream, I'd expect something a little more than that.
Disney love lame ideas! Of course they wouldn't shy away from having A3 be a dream.Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 17, 2020, 01:40:28 PM
Sometimes the easiest answer is the best solution.
Humans often overlook the obvious.
It's in our nature.
The obvious answer is have new characters without Ripley. Why try and fix something that doesn't need fixing?
Ridley understands this.
Ridley ruined the mystery of the beast.
He didn't understand when to stop fixing if it's not broke.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2020, 05:34:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2020, 05:34:57 AM
Vermillion's self-loathing is depressing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Jan 18, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Jan 18, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
Ridley can't even understand what the heck he wants to do with the series. He will forget what he did in Covenant and pull some retcons in the next.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 18, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 18, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Dingbat on Jan 18, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
Post by: Dingbat on Jan 18, 2020, 06:36:38 PM
Maybe it's the same as with the recent star wars movies, I've heard people say there was no plan with those either, I'd be surprised if that were true though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 18, 2020, 08:00:38 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 18, 2020, 08:00:38 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2020, 05:34:57 AM
Vermillion's self-loathing is depressing.
Shhh...I'm incognito
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 18, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 18, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 18, 2020, 08:00:38 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2020, 05:34:57 AM
Vermillion's self-loathing is depressing.
Shhh...I'm incognito
The cousin Magneto doesn't know about?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 19, 2020, 07:01:12 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 19, 2020, 07:01:12 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Jan 18, 2020, 05:33:40 AM
Ridley ruined the mystery of the beast.
He didn't understand when to stop fixing if it's not broke.
I can understand how knowing more about the origins of the xenomorph removes mystery but I'd take that over retconning entire movies and having Ripley/Newt/Hicks back.
Plus I think theres still an argument to be had about exactly what damage has been done to the mystery, going by what we see in the prequels.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2020, 11:35:29 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2020, 11:35:29 PM
Despite whatever problems you had, at least you killed off Ripley and gave Fox an opportunity to continue the franchise without her.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 20, 2020, 11:01:21 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Jan 20, 2020, 11:01:21 AM
I didn't kill her off. She offed herself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 20, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 20, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
I think the prequels had the right idea - take the series in a different direction - it's just a shame they botched them so badly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 20, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 20, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
Barring their well-known flaws, I think the prequels would have made better sequels to Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 21, 2020, 03:38:12 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 21, 2020, 03:38:12 AM
I should of listen to you Local.
And made sequels.
And made sequels.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2020, 06:19:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2020, 06:19:10 AM
You could always make the third prequel into a sequel to Aliens and turn Alien 3 into a dream like you always wanted to.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
You can't reach a consensus without Riddles.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 30, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jan 30, 2020, 01:12:15 PM
Intriguing conundrum worth realizing
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 30, 2020, 04:05:25 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 30, 2020, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 20, 2020, 04:16:59 PM
Barring their well-known flaws, I think the prequels would have made better sequels to Alien 3.
Interesting thought. Lots of modifications would be required. Plus you'd leave the Xenomorph's origin shrouded in mystery. Hmm...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2020, 11:26:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2020, 11:26:20 PM
Yep. It wouldn't undermine Ripley's sacrifice if they had to go through all that shit in Prometheus and Covenant in order to recreate the alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 05, 2020, 02:57:08 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Feb 05, 2020, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2020, 11:26:20 PM
Yep. It wouldn't undermine Ripley's sacrifice if they had to go through all that shit in Prometheus and Covenant in order to recreate the alien.
Yeah id buy that. Id be ok with a droid british butler REcreating Alien, not creating it (an idea I despise most in scifi)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 21, 2020, 01:18:28 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 21, 2020, 01:18:28 AM
Did we reach consensus yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2020, 03:03:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2020, 03:03:57 AM
Remember when I felt like someone was stabbing a voodoo doll of me? I think you're about to go through the same thing... :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 21, 2020, 02:23:37 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 21, 2020, 02:23:37 PM
I will conjure a protective shield around you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
What if the eventual consensus is that Alien 3 was all just a pointless dream?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 22, 2020, 12:59:43 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 22, 2020, 12:59:43 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
What if the eventual consensus is that Alien 3 was all just a pointless dream?
Whaaaaaaaat?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 22, 2020, 04:26:53 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 22, 2020, 04:26:53 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 22, 2020, 12:59:43 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
What if the eventual consensus is that Alien 3 was all just a pointless dream?
Whaaaaaaaat?
https://media.giphy.com/media/12ZNfYqGFCTN0Q/giphy.gif
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 22, 2020, 04:39:24 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 22, 2020, 04:39:24 AM
Good points were brought up on the last three pages.
We're definitely close.
We're definitely close.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 23, 2020, 04:00:07 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 23, 2020, 04:00:07 AM
You really think you'll reach consensus?
And Alien 3 can just be "retconned"?
No, brothers and sisters.
Alien 3 will live forever.
And Alien 3 can just be "retconned"?
No, brothers and sisters.
Alien 3 will live forever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 23, 2020, 04:34:25 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 23, 2020, 04:34:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 21, 2020, 08:43:36 PM
What if the eventual consensus is that Alien 3 was all just a pointless dream?
But.. what cut of Alien³ is the pointless dream ???
Actually, even if you witness with your own eyes a retcon... How do you know you're not dreaming? I recommend you to take one of these with you, just in case :-X
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 23, 2020, 03:50:59 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 23, 2020, 03:50:59 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 21, 2020, 01:18:28 AM
Did we reach consensus yet?
I think the Bloodshot thread has now become the most important thread in the Galaxy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 23, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 23, 2020, 09:04:57 PM
I'd be wiping that thread out and replacing it.
No telling what all those bots might do to the website.
No telling what all those bots might do to the website.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 24, 2020, 01:32:01 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 24, 2020, 01:32:01 AM
This thread is hopeless. Another victim of:
Spoiler
democracy
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2020, 05:01:05 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2020, 05:01:05 AM
Despite being his directorial debut, maybe Alien³ was just a bad dream even for someone like David Fincher 
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/978500612403863553?s
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/978500612403863553?s
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2020, 09:03:34 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2020, 09:03:34 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2020, 05:01:05 AM
Despite being his directorial debut, maybe Alien³ was just a bad dream even for someone like David Fincher https://i.imgur.com/qC4QhWl.png?1
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/978500612403863553?s
At least he recovered from that trainwreck to direct my favourite ever film (Se7en). :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2020, 03:28:27 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2020, 03:28:27 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2020, 09:03:34 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2020, 05:01:05 AM
Despite being his directorial debut, maybe Alien³ was just a bad dream even for someone like David Fincher https://i.imgur.com/qC4QhWl.png?1
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/978500612403863553?s
At least he recovered from that trainwreck to direct my favourite ever film (Se7en). :)
Indeed. He successfully worked on his past mistakes to become a better filmmaker, which is great. 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 24, 2020, 09:59:54 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 24, 2020, 09:59:54 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2020, 09:03:34 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 24, 2020, 05:01:05 AM
Despite being his directorial debut, maybe Alien³ was just a bad dream even for someone like David Fincher https://i.imgur.com/qC4QhWl.png?1
https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/978500612403863553?s
At least he recovered from that trainwreck to direct my favourite ever film (Se7en). :)
Alien 7 > Thr3e
gg no rematch
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 25, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 25, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2020, 05:14:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2020, 05:14:39 AM
You can't. You're here until we reach consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2020, 02:45:13 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 28, 2020, 02:45:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2020, 05:14:39 AM
You can't. You're here until we reach consensus.
Con..Sen...Sus
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2020, 02:23:41 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2020, 02:23:41 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 28, 2020, 02:45:13 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2020, 05:14:39 AM
You can't. You're here until we reach consensus.
Con..Sen...Sus
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Post by: Stitch on Feb 28, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Feb 24, 2020, 01:32:01 AMNah. We'll get there eventually.
This thread is hopeless.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 29, 2020, 01:49:50 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Feb 29, 2020, 01:49:50 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 29, 2020, 02:11:55 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 29, 2020, 02:11:55 AM
This thread should be treated like a papal conclave until consensus is reached. >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 29, 2020, 03:17:18 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 29, 2020, 03:17:18 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 29, 2020, 02:11:55 AM
This thread should be treated like a papal conclave until consensus is reached. >:(
You mean we should throw it for the germans and pop smoke?
Title: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Mar 05, 2020, 12:55:03 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Mar 05, 2020, 12:55:03 AM
Hand Grenade retorts
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 05, 2020, 01:05:03 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 05, 2020, 01:05:03 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Mar 05, 2020, 12:55:03 AM
https://media0.giphy.com/media/l41YgPwuB0OXkRccM/giphy.gif
I guess Prince William has to poop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 16, 2020, 02:32:59 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 16, 2020, 02:32:59 AM
So...any word on that consensus thing?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 16, 2020, 02:51:40 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 16, 2020, 02:51:40 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 16, 2020, 02:32:59 AM
So...any word on that consensus thing?
Ok, let's see...there are people who loves Alien³, people who hate Alien³, people who don't give a shit about Alien³ and among them people who prefer to think of Alien³ as a pointless dream. I'd say that Ridley's third prequel is more possible than the so-called consensus ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 16, 2020, 03:44:46 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 16, 2020, 03:44:46 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 16, 2020, 02:32:59 AM
So...any word on that consensus thing?
He will join us or die.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Mar 16, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Mar 16, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 17, 2020, 03:48:56 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 17, 2020, 03:48:56 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 16, 2020, 03:44:46 AMQuote from: Huggs on Mar 16, 2020, 02:32:59 AM
So...any word on that consensus thing?
He will join us or die.
Quote from: Vermillion on Mar 16, 2020, 09:21:26 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200316/a0bf34eb901d76d9fc4112aef68738d2.gif
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2020, 08:47:07 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2020, 08:47:07 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 16, 2020, 02:51:40 AMQuote from: Huggs on Mar 16, 2020, 02:32:59 AM
So...any word on that consensus thing?
Ok, let's see...there are people who loves Alien³, people who hate Alien³, people who don't give a shit about Alien³ and among them people who prefer to think of Alien³ as a pointless dream. I'd say that Ridley's third prequel is more possible than the so-called consensus ;D
:D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 25, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 25, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
Queens cooze ooze is black goo coded for eggs :^) There were probably dozens of eggs from her drippings.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2020, 09:44:32 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2020, 09:44:32 PM
That's where all the Aliens in Colonial Marines, Infestation and Alien 3 the Gun came from.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2020, 11:38:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2020, 11:38:16 PM
Did you just make a canon?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2020, 11:56:32 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 25, 2020, 11:56:32 PM
I have spoken.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 27, 2020, 02:01:16 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 27, 2020, 02:01:16 AM
The gospel as read from the secret bible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: khas on Mar 27, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
Post by: khas on Mar 27, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
Hello guys, being in quarantine here in Spain, I have thought about the sulaco egg, and what its size really is. It gives me the impression that it is smaller than a typical egg, which leads me to the theory that the queen would take it with her, stuck to some area of her body from Hadley's Hope to Sulaco. Being smaller, it would be much easier to transport. I don't know what you think.
The truth is that very little is appreciated in the only scene that appears and little can be compared with the background with which it appears.
The truth is that very little is appreciated in the only scene that appears and little can be compared with the background with which it appears.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2020, 09:34:32 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 27, 2020, 02:01:16 AM
The gospel as read from the secret bible.
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2014, 10:57:08 PMQuoteCan't you just end this whole discussion with a proclamation?
Lemme go find my quill and scroll.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 27, 2020, 09:42:38 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 27, 2020, 09:42:38 PM
Quote from: khas on Mar 27, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
Hello guys, being in quarantine here in Spain, I have thought about the sulaco egg, and what its size really is. It gives me the impression that it is smaller than a typical egg, which leads me to the theory that the queen would take it with her, stuck to some area of her body from Hadley's Hope to Sulaco. Being smaller, it would be much easier to transport. I don't know what you think.
The truth is that very little is appreciated in the only scene that appears and little can be compared with the background with which it appears.
Correct. Which means it doesn't necessarily have to be smaller. Might be normal size.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 27, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 27, 2020, 10:58:40 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 27, 2020, 02:01:16 AM
The gospel as read from the secret bible.
Let the churches burn dude ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 28, 2020, 02:31:25 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 28, 2020, 02:31:25 AM
You're gonna give Local a stroke with that sh*t.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on Mar 28, 2020, 06:16:31 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Mar 28, 2020, 06:16:31 AM
My take:
Queen spilled some acidic ooze on the Sulaco having ripped from their ovipositor, yes? Well, given enough time, it creates an infestation of spores, spores grow, eggs everywhere, walah. ;D
Queen spilled some acidic ooze on the Sulaco having ripped from their ovipositor, yes? Well, given enough time, it creates an infestation of spores, spores grow, eggs everywhere, walah. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: khas on Mar 28, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: khas on Mar 28, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 28, 2020, 06:16:31 AM
My take:
Queen spilled some acidic ooze on the Sulaco having ripped from their ovipositor, yes? Well, given enough time, it creates an infestation of spores, spores grow, eggs everywhere, walah. ;D
So the egg would have been generated from the biological remains of the queen, right? Hmm interesting...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on Mar 29, 2020, 03:14:52 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Mar 29, 2020, 03:14:52 AM
Essentially yeah, over time of course.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2020, 03:54:03 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2020, 03:54:03 AM
Sounds like the theory Local Trouble has been pushing for some time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 29, 2020, 05:01:22 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 29, 2020, 05:01:22 AM
Now listen, we can't be reachin' no consensus in here. That'd just ruin everything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 29, 2020, 05:33:02 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 29, 2020, 05:33:02 AM
My life makes sense because there is no consensus :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2020, 05:48:40 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2020, 05:48:40 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 29, 2020, 03:54:03 AM
Sounds like the theory Local Trouble has been pushing for some time.
It's entirely possible that a proto-egg was carried within the droplet(s) of blood that oozed from the queen's wound and burned through the hull. At least that would give us visual evidence from the film itself as a reference point.
The specifics are always open to discussion and refinement, but the idea is more or less the same as what I've been preaching.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2020, 08:41:21 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2020, 08:41:21 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 25, 2020, 11:38:16 PM
Did you just make a canon?
Excuse me, my post was the one to define things. I made it, SM just confirmed it all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 29, 2020, 08:00:39 PM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 29, 2020, 08:00:39 PM
Ooh, it's on now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Mar 31, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Mar 31, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
And awake!!
Alien 3 retconned
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 31, 2020, 08:59:54 PM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 31, 2020, 08:59:54 PM
Too late.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 31, 2020, 10:58:37 PM
Post by: Xenomorphine on Mar 31, 2020, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: khas on Mar 27, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
Hello guys, being in quarantine here in Spain, I have thought about the sulaco egg, and what its size really is. It gives me the impression that it is smaller than a typical egg, which leads me to the theory that the queen would take it with her, stuck to some area of her body from Hadley's Hope to Sulaco. Being smaller, it would be much easier to transport. I don't know what you think.
The truth is that very little is appreciated in the only scene that appears and little can be compared with the background with which it appears.
There isn't any hint of an egg stuck to anywhere on her, when we see her.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Mar 28, 2020, 06:16:31 AM
My take:
Queen spilled some acidic ooze on the Sulaco having ripped from their ovipositor, yes? Well, given enough time, it creates an infestation of spores, spores grow, eggs everywhere, walah. ;D
In other words, the entire point of her egg sac is rendered null and void. Why would she even evolve one if she can just 'spray' them out over anywhere she walks over?
The whole point of it is that the eggs clearly require maturing within it or they aren't viable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 31, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
QuoteThere isn't any hint of an egg stuck to anywhere on her, when we see her.
We don't see all of her.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Apr 03, 2020, 11:29:50 PM
Post by: Mystic Lemons on Apr 03, 2020, 11:29:50 PM
I saw enough of her to know it was Bishop
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 03, 2020, 11:45:39 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 03, 2020, 11:45:39 PM
Impaled on her hidden scorpion tail maybe?
F**king autocorrection
F**king autocorrection
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 04, 2020, 02:29:46 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 04, 2020, 02:29:46 AM
Bishop brought the egg up with him.
After he dropped Ripley off, he descended the Dropship to the sub level and only returned to the landing platform just in time to pick up Ripley and Newt....and the Queen.
After he dropped Ripley off, he descended the Dropship to the sub level and only returned to the landing platform just in time to pick up Ripley and Newt....and the Queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 04, 2020, 02:33:45 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 04, 2020, 02:33:45 AM
At least in the film you can see the dropship come up from below the landing platform.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 04, 2020, 02:51:08 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 04, 2020, 02:51:08 AM
What about Newt? Living with the Aliens and all...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 04, 2020, 03:17:01 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 04, 2020, 03:17:01 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 04, 2020, 02:29:46 AMGreat, now how did he get it onto the roof of a random corridor in the Sulaco after being torn in half?
Bishop brought the egg up with him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2020, 04:31:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2020, 04:31:03 AM
Has anyone ever adequately explained the Bishop theory?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2020, 05:18:11 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 04, 2020, 05:18:11 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2020, 03:17:01 AMQuote from: Vermillion on Apr 04, 2020, 02:29:46 AMGreat, now how did he get it onto the roof of a random corridor in the Sulaco after being torn in half?
Bishop brought the egg up with him.
Maybe he was able to remotely operate a power loader ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2020, 06:56:38 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 04, 2020, 06:56:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2020, 04:31:03 AM
Has anyone ever adequately explained the Bishop theory?
No. It's like Flat Earth theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 04, 2020, 06:52:43 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 04, 2020, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2020, 06:56:38 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2020, 04:31:03 AM
Has anyone ever adequately explained the Bishop theory?
No. It's like Flat Earth theory.
Shaq supports the Bishop theory.
Title: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 05, 2020, 02:09:32 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 05, 2020, 02:09:32 PM
Royal jelly theory is absolute lame.
https://youtu.be/7N0jaxb94Fc (https://youtu.be/7N0jaxb94Fc)
This is what happens with Alien blood.
Oh, but it's a Queen and it is magical.
Pixie dust made it.
Goddamn Tinkerbell theory is #trending.
So where exactly on the Sulaco was this upside down egg?
I want a floorplan.
I want schematics.
I want it to look like a goddamn town meeting.
30 years later it is still a huge movie screw up.
Huge. Massive.
And one Fox has never been able to recover from.
Stay home. Eat Lettuce.
Obey.
Now you may return to your regularly scheduled programming.
[emoji6]
https://youtu.be/7N0jaxb94Fc (https://youtu.be/7N0jaxb94Fc)
This is what happens with Alien blood.
Oh, but it's a Queen and it is magical.
Pixie dust made it.
Goddamn Tinkerbell theory is #trending.
So where exactly on the Sulaco was this upside down egg?
I want a floorplan.
I want schematics.
I want it to look like a goddamn town meeting.
30 years later it is still a huge movie screw up.
Huge. Massive.
And one Fox has never been able to recover from.
Stay home. Eat Lettuce.
Obey.
Now you may return to your regularly scheduled programming.
[emoji6]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2020, 04:47:45 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2020, 04:47:45 PM
And the "Bishop did it" theory is fundamentally incongruous with what we're shown in the film.
But don't let that hold you back.
But don't let that hold you back.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 06:54:31 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2020, 04:47:45 PM
And the "Bishop did it" theory is fundamentally incongruous with what we're shown in the film.
But don't let that hold you back.
Do you have a better theory or do you think it is pointless to debate about it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
By all means debate it, but you're not gonna come up with anything solid because if that was possible, someone would've done it long before now.
At the end of the day, the screenwriters came up with some off-hand b.s. that doesn't make a lick sense and have freely admitted they gave no shits about it, and as a result I don't see that it's possible to come up with a sensible solution.
That said, some theories have more merit than others (even if they still basically consist of having to make shit up to try and get things to fit), while others are simply disproven by what we see in the movie.
At the end of the day, the screenwriters came up with some off-hand b.s. that doesn't make a lick sense and have freely admitted they gave no shits about it, and as a result I don't see that it's possible to come up with a sensible solution.
That said, some theories have more merit than others (even if they still basically consist of having to make shit up to try and get things to fit), while others are simply disproven by what we see in the movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:16:46 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:16:46 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
That said, some theories have more merit than others
Do you think we can at least reach a mini consensus on that? I mean an agreement among the fans of which theories have the most merits in favor in order to explain the unexplained.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:31:26 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:31:26 PM
The bishop theory has no merit and has been debunked a hundred times or more.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:42:54 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:42:54 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2020, 08:31:26 PM
The bishop theory has no merit and has been debunked a hundred times or more.
But which are the good theories. The kind of theory that has the power to spark curiosity, even to the point of get attention from the high priests of the fandom.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 09:56:38 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 09:56:38 PM
I think the only valid answer's the official material one on the film's disc:
https://youtu.be/_Wi0EeAMPZI
https://youtu.be/s1idRGgpioY
https://youtu.be/_Wi0EeAMPZI
https://youtu.be/s1idRGgpioY
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2020, 10:41:06 PM
How do you feel about the Bishop theory?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 10:44:22 PM
I think the Sulaco underwent a number of aesthetic changes from Aliens to Alien³ as we already know and the official material's valid answer's already present.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 11:27:46 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 05, 2020, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Apr 05, 2020, 09:56:38 PM
I think the only valid answer's the one on the film's disc:
https://youtu.be/_Wi0EeAMPZI
https://youtu.be/s1idRGgpioY
The answer's on the above thumbnail, showing why it's at an angle, and so why it evaded discovery.
Fair enough. At least there is an official clue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
Post by: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 11:46:38 PM
Whatever version you view the Egg's unique in it's appearance, if you view the Special Edition the Facehugger's also unique in appearance, regardless it's a Royal Egg and Royal Facehugger(s) in function if not entirely appearance as it got laid without ovipositor and resulted in the impregnation of multiple hosts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Apr 07, 2020, 02:51:31 AM
Post by: razeak on Apr 07, 2020, 02:51:31 AM
I'm subscribing to the AVPVT story and that it inevitably led to skynet sending a Terminator forward in time to deliver an egg from the derelict and we just missed him getting sucked out of the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2020, 03:48:09 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 07, 2020, 03:48:09 AM
Makes more sense than "Bishop did it".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 07, 2020, 03:52:15 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 07, 2020, 03:52:15 AM
I want Terminator to be David. Is that possible?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 07, 2020, 03:58:06 AM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 07, 2020, 03:58:06 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: khas on Apr 11, 2020, 10:50:24 AM
Post by: khas on Apr 11, 2020, 10:50:24 AM
Well guys, after a few weeks of quarantine, I have further developed my theory of how the egg got to Sulaco. It is clear to me that the egg was brought by the Queen of Hadleys Hope.
I think the place where I place it is the weapons room that is in the Sulaco hangar. I know it's not the same as the one that appears in Aliens, but there are a lot of things that were changed in Alien 3, like the shape of the cryo tubes, so I think they are design decisions of the movie itself.
When I place it, I think it's in the time that passes since the dropship docks in the Sulaco, and Ripley Newt and Bishop go down from it to the hangar. I think the queen had time to get out of the dropship's hind leg, lay the egg, and hide again. The rest we already know ...
At the same time I think Bishop is complicit in this situation. I think he knows through the Sulaco's computer that there has been a move by the queen and that she has laid an egg. He is ordered to bring a specimen, even at an internal level of order. So he doesn't warn Ripley that there is an egg. Even in Alien 3, he regrets telling Ripley - That it hurts ...
What do you think?
I think the place where I place it is the weapons room that is in the Sulaco hangar. I know it's not the same as the one that appears in Aliens, but there are a lot of things that were changed in Alien 3, like the shape of the cryo tubes, so I think they are design decisions of the movie itself.
When I place it, I think it's in the time that passes since the dropship docks in the Sulaco, and Ripley Newt and Bishop go down from it to the hangar. I think the queen had time to get out of the dropship's hind leg, lay the egg, and hide again. The rest we already know ...
At the same time I think Bishop is complicit in this situation. I think he knows through the Sulaco's computer that there has been a move by the queen and that she has laid an egg. He is ordered to bring a specimen, even at an internal level of order. So he doesn't warn Ripley that there is an egg. Even in Alien 3, he regrets telling Ripley - That it hurts ...
What do you think?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 11, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 11, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
No, thank you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 11, 2020, 12:00:39 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 11, 2020, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 11, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
No, thank you.
What he said.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 11, 2020, 02:00:14 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 11, 2020, 02:00:14 PM
I'd be more apt to believe any theory less reliant on accidental/stealth poops.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 11, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 11, 2020, 02:18:41 PM
Maybe.. maybe like the Sulaco is actually on the egg man?
Consensus?
Consensus?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 12, 2020, 01:10:44 AM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 12, 2020, 01:10:44 AM
Clearly there was a regular xenomorph that went off on its own and evolved into a queen while they were in hypersleep. In order to secure the future of the species, of course. Hence the multiple facehuggers.
"Was there an alien onboard?"
"Yes"
;) ;D
"Was there an alien onboard?"
"Yes"
;) ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 14, 2020, 02:55:51 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 14, 2020, 02:55:51 AM
And the link to ACM is now complete.
Back to penning a love story in space.
Back to penning a love story in space.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 15, 2020, 01:16:59 AM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 15, 2020, 01:16:59 AM
Oops.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomorphine on Apr 17, 2020, 12:44:55 AM
Post by: Xenomorphine on Apr 17, 2020, 12:44:55 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 09:56:38 PM
I think the only valid answer's the official material one on the film's disc:
https://youtu.be/_Wi0EeAMPZI
https://youtu.be/s1idRGgpioY
Not only is there 'SULACO' engraved in the metal, but we can see a corridor by the egg. It's meant to be somewhere in the Sulaco hallways. The eternal question remains how it got there.
And if Weyland-Yutani or some other nefarious corporation supposedly did that (somehow bypassing the Sulaco's security and defence system protocols), they would have just taken it with them.
Between that and the cryotubes being completely different, unless fans want to hand-wave it (and many are happy to), the only way to account for it, consistency-wise, is the old dream theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2020, 12:53:20 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2020, 12:53:20 AM
Forsooth.
She's going to be very cross with you when she returns though.
She's going to be very cross with you when she returns though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 17, 2020, 01:35:52 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 17, 2020, 01:35:52 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 17, 2020, 12:44:55 AMQuote from: The Old One on Apr 05, 2020, 09:56:38 PM
I think the only valid answer's the official material one on the film's disc:
https://youtu.be/_Wi0EeAMPZI
https://youtu.be/s1idRGgpioY
Not only is there 'SULACO' engraved in the metal, but we can see a corridor by the egg. It's meant to be somewhere in the Sulaco hallways. The eternal question remains how it got there.
And if Weyland-Yutani or some other nefarious corporation supposedly did that (somehow bypassing the Sulaco's security and defence system protocols), they would have just taken it with them.
Between that and the cryotubes being completely different, unless fans want to hand-wave it (and many are happy to), the only way to account for it, consistency-wise, is the old dream theory.
This man speaks the truth! 🙂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 17, 2020, 03:39:40 AM
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 17, 2020, 03:39:40 AM
If the company was already out there why would they have sent the colonial marines when they could just go down to the planet and grab a Xenomorph? Or why would they go out of their way to infect a person in hyper sleep and just run off without taking them with them? Like if you're going to go through the trouble of breaching the Sulaco and infecting everyone wouldn't you do what they did in resurrection and captivate them?
Either the queen or a warrior did it
Either the queen or a warrior did it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 04:46:13 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 04:46:13 AM
We don't know that it's corridor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: castleaco on Apr 17, 2020, 07:57:29 PM
Post by: castleaco on Apr 17, 2020, 07:57:29 PM
The old dream theory is good to continue the story from.
The same actors stars the next film where they wake up two hundred years after and the sulaco is lost in space...
it's easy, not? ;D
The same actors stars the next film where they wake up two hundred years after and the sulaco is lost in space...
it's easy, not? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2020, 07:59:27 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2020, 07:59:27 PM
I don't see why it can't just take place decades after the Sulaco returned to Earth without incident. It doesn't have to pick up immediately after Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
Do people just come back to life if you wait long enough?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 17, 2020, 11:19:18 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 17, 2020, 11:19:18 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
Do people just come back to life if you wait long enough?
How long have you waited?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 10:53:24 PM
Do people just come back to life if you wait long enough?
Three days in at least one case, or so a couple billion people believe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 18, 2020, 12:36:12 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 18, 2020, 12:36:12 AM
Fair.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 18, 2020, 01:53:18 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 18, 2020, 01:53:18 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2020, 10:53:24 PMAccording to Luke Skywalker...
Do people just come back to life if you wait long enough?
"No One's ever really Gone"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Post by: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
For me, not knowing 100% how the egg got there is part of the fun. The cloud of mystery surrounding many elements in the alien universe is such a rich foundation for entertaining discussions, like this thread. Love the discussions and witty humour here... carry on! ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
Be careful while reading this thread not to operate heavy machinery.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 18, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 18, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
Quote from: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 01:40:19 PMThe Cloud of mystery was seriously eroded in Prometheus and Covenant.
For me, not knowing 100% how the egg got there is part of the fun. The cloud of mystery surrounding many elements in the alien universe is such a rich foundation for entertaining discussions, like this thread. Love the discussions and witty humour here... carry on! ;D
Seriously damaging to the franchise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 02:33:43 PM
Post by: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 18, 2020, 02:23:07 PMQuote from: Janek on Apr 18, 2020, 01:40:19 PMThe Cloud of mystery was seriously eroded in Prometheus and Covenant.
For me, not knowing 100% how the egg got there is part of the fun. The cloud of mystery surrounding many elements in the alien universe is such a rich foundation for entertaining discussions, like this thread. Love the discussions and witty humour here... carry on! ;D
Seriously damaging to the franchise.
Yup I sadly agree, I am conflicted on wether I want to see Ridley Scott make another alien film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 18, 2020, 02:23:07 PM
The Cloud of mystery was seriously eroded in Prometheus and Covenant.
Seriously damaging to the franchise.
Indeed. Actions that ironically began cooking the beast.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 18, 2020, 02:42:08 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 18, 2020, 02:42:08 PM
Folks thought beast was cooked before and after the prequels. Either way its not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2020, 02:55:50 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2020, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 18, 2020, 02:42:08 PM
Folks thought beast was cooked before and after the prequels. Either way its not.
I never thought it was cooked, but if there's a way to cook it in my humble opinion, you take that shrouded in mystery origin and shine a big spotlight on it.
Fortunately, in the way Covenant presented it, that very origin flew over so many casual viewers' heads.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 18, 2020, 03:01:17 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 18, 2020, 03:01:17 PM
Right but there is still plenty is mystery and unanswered questions, especially regarding the goo. I dont mind putting a spotlight on the origin of the Alien as long as you create more questions and mysteries.
Do I still want David to be a re-creator? Yeah but it doesn't bother that much anymore. I also think they should take the story away from Ridley, director/producer only.
Do I still want David to be a re-creator? Yeah but it doesn't bother that much anymore. I also think they should take the story away from Ridley, director/producer only.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 18, 2020, 04:35:20 PM
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 18, 2020, 04:35:20 PM
I think if Covenant removed the Aliens and David thing it would be perfect.
Just a stand alone film expanding on new creatures in the universe.
i still think David got those prints from the Engineers (for creating aliens)
Just a stand alone film expanding on new creatures in the universe.
i still think David got those prints from the Engineers (for creating aliens)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 06:46:20 PM
I would ask the ADI guys where the egg was. They built and placed the prop, they know what set it was in or what was it suppose to be. So at least we would know where was it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 18, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 18, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
I doubt it, the call sheet just says "SULACO NEW SET". I don't think there was ever a clear idea where it was meant to be.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 10:35:36 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 10:35:36 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
I doubt it, the call sheet just says "SULACO NEW SET". I don't think there was ever a clear idea where it was meant to be.
If so, at least they've seen a full set rather than just a fracture of it that we see in the frame. I think its possible from what they saw to at least say if its a storage room, part of a hangar bay, locker of some sort or a hallway
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2020, 10:37:56 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2020, 10:37:56 PM
For me it would be enough if they would just rule out that it's supposed to be the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 10:47:03 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 10:47:03 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 18, 2020, 10:37:56 PM
For me it would be enough if they would just rule out that it's supposed to be the dropship.
Same. Doubtful they would remember but who knows. One of them might
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 19, 2020, 01:06:35 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 19, 2020, 01:06:35 AM
He might remember in a dream.
Or a figment of his imagination.
Or a figment of his imagination.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2020, 02:20:09 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2020, 02:20:09 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 10:35:36 PMIt's much more likely they didn't build much more than what was seen in the movie to keep costs down.Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
I doubt it, the call sheet just says "SULACO NEW SET". I don't think there was ever a clear idea where it was meant to be.
If so, at least they've seen a full set rather than just a fracture of it that we see in the frame. I think its possible from what they saw to at least say if its a storage room, part of a hangar bay, locker of some sort or a hallway
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 19, 2020, 02:33:57 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 19, 2020, 02:33:57 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 19, 2020, 02:20:09 AMQuote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2020, 10:35:36 PMIt's much more likely they didn't build much more than what was seen in the movie to keep costs down.Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2020, 09:47:40 PM
I doubt it, the call sheet just says "SULACO NEW SET". I don't think there was ever a clear idea where it was meant to be.
If so, at least they've seen a full set rather than just a fracture of it that we see in the frame. I think its possible from what they saw to at least say if its a storage room, part of a hangar bay, locker of some sort or a hallway
I know. Still, there must have been at least a little bit more of it to tell what kind of interior space is it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 19, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 19, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
I still have two options.
1. There is no egg on Sulaсo. Just an unexpected accident. People die, Ripley survive. She received severe stress and depression, leading to hallucinations and psychosis. She began to slash prisoners and staff. Maybe she imagined herself an Alien, or as if thinking that the Alien was killing everyone, and she was observing from the side. Perhaps Golik helped her. He saw a kindred spirit, so to speak. ;)
This is a very dark and very fincherish story. But I have a light.
2. Cryo-nightmare. Well, you know. Just a bad dream, that Ripley had when she flew back to Earth along with Hicks and Newt. I use this option not only to exclude Alien 3 and AR from continuity. I also use this option to explain all the illogical, mystical inconsistencies and plot holes. :)
1. There is no egg on Sulaсo. Just an unexpected accident. People die, Ripley survive. She received severe stress and depression, leading to hallucinations and psychosis. She began to slash prisoners and staff. Maybe she imagined herself an Alien, or as if thinking that the Alien was killing everyone, and she was observing from the side. Perhaps Golik helped her. He saw a kindred spirit, so to speak. ;)
This is a very dark and very fincherish story. But I have a light.
2. Cryo-nightmare. Well, you know. Just a bad dream, that Ripley had when she flew back to Earth along with Hicks and Newt. I use this option not only to exclude Alien 3 and AR from continuity. I also use this option to explain all the illogical, mystical inconsistencies and plot holes. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2020, 10:47:51 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 19, 2020, 10:47:51 AM
Or the opening is a fever dream and the rest is what happens after a facehugged was left on board after the previous film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 19, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 19, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
In my head there is no egg. We just continue from Aliens' facehuggers in the credits, and go from there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 20, 2020, 05:26:49 AM
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 20, 2020, 05:26:49 AM
^ There's a facehugger in the credits of Aliens?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2020, 07:09:32 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2020, 07:09:32 AM
Sure is! Check it out. https://youtu.be/OqtDVgb-yvQ?t=158
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 12:42:33 PM
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2020, 07:09:32 AM
Sure is! Check it out. https://youtu.be/OqtDVgb-yvQ?t=158
That is mind blowing, just love how this franchise keeps on delivering even after all these years. Always something to discover.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 19, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
2. Cryo-nightmare. Well, you know. Just a bad dream, that Ripley had when she flew back to Earth along with Hicks and Newt. I use this option not only to exclude Alien 3 and AR from continuity. I also use this option to explain all the illogical, mystical inconsistencies and plot holes. :)
Oh, this option is probably the best.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/g4mfgh/just_for_fun_alien_3_was_a_bad_dream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
No eggs. No facehuggers. Not deaths. Just a bad dream.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Is "bad dream" the consensus then?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 04:10:21 PM
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 04:10:21 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 01:51:33 PMQuote from: Drukathi on Apr 19, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
2. Cryo-nightmare. Well, you know. Just a bad dream, that Ripley had when she flew back to Earth along with Hicks and Newt. I use this option not only to exclude Alien 3 and AR from continuity. I also use this option to explain all the illogical, mystical inconsistencies and plot holes. :)
Oh, this option is probably the best.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/g4mfgh/just_for_fun_alien_3_was_a_bad_dream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
No eggs. No facehuggers. Not deaths. Just a bad dream.
This is a horror franchise you know, people will die. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 04:18:55 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Is "bad dream" the consensus then?
Preposterous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 04:21:09 PM
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Is "bad dream" the consensus then?
Never.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
Quote from: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 04:10:21 PM
This is a horror franchise you know, people will die. ;)
Not an excuse for laziness. The execution was disrespectful and unworthy. Like if the studio just got rid of the burden. And as we know now - it was the stupidest decision. Popular assets need to be maintained and increased.
Earth Hive was the best sequel.
---
Back to the topic. How do you think - what's better? Egg on the ceiling or egg growing from Bishop?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 05:02:19 PM
Most appropriate deaths ever.
Dream sequence is a lazy writer's excuse.
Dream sequence is a lazy writer's excuse.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 05:03:08 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PMQuote from: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 04:10:21 PM
This is a horror franchise you know, people will die. ;)
Not an excuse for laziness. The execution was disrespectful and unworthy. Like if the studio just got rid of the burden. And as we know now - it was the stupidest decision. Popular assets need to be maintained and increased.
Earth Hive was the better sequel.
---
Back to the topic. How do you think - what's better? Egg on the ceiling or egg growing from Bishop?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 05:04:45 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 05:04:45 PM
Still the most appropriate deaths ever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PMAnd as we know now - it was the stupidest decision. Popular assets need to be maintained and increased.
I'd rather see a series be ballsy than safe and predictable.
This kind of "we just need to give people more of what they liked before!" thinking leads to uninspired, forgettable fluff like Jurassic World or The Force Awakens, which leave you wishing you were watching the previous movies where they did all the same things so much better.
Alien 3 may not be everyone's cup of tea but God do I love that they took a complete left turn with it, similar to how Aliens was something of a left turn after Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 05:18:01 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 05:18:01 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2020, 05:12:13 PMQuote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PMAnd as we know now - it was the stupidest decision. Popular assets need to be maintained and increased.
I'd rather see a series be ballsy than safe and predictable.
This kind of "we just need to give people more of what they liked before!" thinking leads to uninspired, forgettable fluff like Jurassic World or The Force Awakens, which leave you wishing you were watching the previous movies where they did all the same things so much better.
Alien 3 may not be everyone's cup of tea but God do I love that they took a complete left turn with it, similar to how Aliens was something of a left turn after Alien.
Yes sir.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 05:49:15 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
I'd rather see a series be ballsy than safe and predictable.
Me too, but I prefer to leave the heroes on a well-deserved rest, rather than kill them. There was only one right decision - get as far away as possible from Ripley. They had two chances: with Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection. But they thought (and still think) that the franchise would die without Ripley. I remember how Ripley's parent often appeared in rumors of Prometheus. And in Covenant too! I have no doubt when the new film will be announced - we will hear the phrase "Ripley's relative" one million times!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 05:49:15 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2020, 05:12:13 PM
I'd rather see a series be ballsy than safe and predictable.
Me too, but I prefer to leave the heroes on a well-deserved rest, rather than kill them. There was only one right decision - get as far away as possible from Ripley. They had two chances: with Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection.
As Clint said, "deserves got nothing to do with it". Heroes die everyday. Regular people die every day, sometimes stupidly and for no reason. Aliens was a good movie, but there was no doubt that it was designed to be a "product", which is Cameron's specialty.
And it's harder to get farther away from Ripley than killing her off.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 20, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 20, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
wow that blew my mind with the aliens end credits, never even knew that this whole time. I can now accept A3 as not being a dream
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
And it's harder to get farther away from Ripley than killing her off.
They keep their distance from Ripley with AvP, AvPR, Prometheus and Covenant. And the only time they tried to kill her was that she was resurrected. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: littlesprout on Apr 20, 2020, 06:02:18 PM
wow that blew my mind with the aliens end credits, never even knew that this whole time. I can now accept A3 as not being a dream
Yep. If Fox had wanted it to be a dream, they wouldn't have gone ahead with Resurrection. A:R would've just been Aliens 2.
But they didn't. The trilogy is a done deal.
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 06:08:02 PMQuote from: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:00:24 PM
And it's harder to get farther away from Ripley than killing her off.
They keep their distance from Ripley with AvP, AvPR, Prometheus and Covenant. And the only time they tried to kill her was that she was resurrected. :)
Personally, I blame the French.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 06:20:17 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 06:20:17 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:09:22 PM
Personally, I blame the French.
I blame egg on Sulaco. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:21:18 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:21:18 PM
Wherever possible, always blame the French. If that's not feasible, blame Canada.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 06:30:34 PM
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 06:30:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 20, 2020, 05:12:13 PMQuote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PMAnd as we know now - it was the stupidest decision. Popular assets need to be maintained and increased.
I'd rather see a series be ballsy than safe and predictable.
This kind of "we just need to give people more of what they liked before!" thinking leads to uninspired, forgettable fluff like Jurassic World or The Force Awakens, which leave you wishing you were watching the previous movies where they did all the same things so much better.
Alien 3 may not be everyone's cup of tea but God do I love that they took a complete left turn with it, similar to how Aliens was something of a left turn after Alien.
Well said sir.
Something unexpected from Hollywood is rare and far between these days. Alien 3 still evokes deep feelings inside of me to this day, powerful movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 20, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 20, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 20, 2020, 07:09:32 AM
Sure is! Check it out. https://youtu.be/OqtDVgb-yvQ?t=158
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 20, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Is "bad dream" the consensus then?
Yes.
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 06:08:02 PMThey keep their distance from Ripley with AvP, AvPR, Prometheus and Covenant. And the only time they tried to kill her was that she was resurrected. :)
#RipleyLives
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2020, 10:10:20 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2020, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
The execution was disrespectful and unworthy.
I think its one of the most well executed deaths in movies. Its operatic, its gripping throat and heart. The music, the intercutting of loud and silence, the religious choir. Its masterfully done
QuoteLike if the studio just got rid of the burden.
Its not like they just got rid of the characters in the credits and make the audience forget about them. Ripleys grief is throughout the movie, and we have a very powerful burial scene. I never thought of these deaths as being disrespectful, I think they were the most powerful emotional punch the movie could start with. And I wouldnt wish this ending on those characters, but it works within the context of the film, its mood, its atmosphere.
The death of young John Connor in Dark Fate was made to the same effect, to shock the audience and start with a gut punch, but it wasnt as artistic or climatic
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 10:20:19 PM
Post by: Janek on Apr 20, 2020, 10:20:19 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2020, 10:10:20 PMQuote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
The execution was disrespectful and unworthy.
I think its one of the most well executed deaths in movies. Its operatic, its gripping throat and heart. The music, the intercutting of loud and silence, the religious choir. Its masterfully doneQuoteLike if the studio just got rid of the burden.
Its not like they just got rid of the characters in the credits and make the audience forget about them. Ripleys grief is throughout the movie, and we have a very powerful burial scene. I never thought of these deaths as being disrespectful, I think they were the most powerful emotional punch the movie could start with. And I wouldnt wish this ending on those characters, but it works within the context of the film, its mood, its atmosphere.
The death of young John Connor in Dark Fate was made to the same effect, to shock the audience and start with a gut punch, but it wasnt as artistic or climatic
My man. 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 20, 2020, 10:40:23 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 20, 2020, 10:40:23 PM
QuoteBut they thought (and still think) that the franchise would die without Ripley.
Is there some lost cut of Prometheus and Covenant that features Ripley?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 21, 2020, 02:29:20 AM
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 21, 2020, 02:29:20 AM
We pay to see the Aliens
All other cast and characters are just....expendable
All other cast and characters are just....expendable
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 21, 2020, 02:43:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 21, 2020, 02:43:10 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 06:21:18 PM
Wherever possible, always blame the French. If that's not feasible, blame Canada.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 20, 2019, 01:55:53 AM
In the absence of any other reasonable explanation, I tend to just blame SM.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 21, 2020, 12:39:56 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 21, 2020, 12:39:56 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 21, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
Post by: littlesprout on Apr 21, 2020, 02:15:02 PM
Technically still an Alien, just not the ones we prefer
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 21, 2020, 02:15:26 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 21, 2020, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2020, 10:10:20 PM
Its not like they just got rid of the characters in the credits and make the audience forget about them. Ripleys grief is throughout the movie, and we have a very powerful burial scene. I never thought of these deaths as being disrespectful, I think they were the most powerful emotional punch the movie could start with. And I wouldnt wish this ending on those characters, but it works within the context of the film, its mood, its atmosphere.
Cuz Dillon. He is one of the best characters of Alien Universe. He has charisma and a solid mind. Ripley? Not even close! I like Alien 3 because it has solid and elaborate characters. Not because of Ripley's "grief", "tragedy" and "mental suffering".
Quote from: littlesprout on Apr 21, 2020, 02:29:20 AM
We pay to see the Aliens
All other cast and characters are just....expendable
Golden words.
Quote from: SM on Apr 20, 2020, 10:40:23 PMQuoteBut they thought (and still think) that the franchise would die without Ripley.
Is there some lost cut of Prometheus and Covenant that features Ripley?
To the greatest happiness (who wants to argue?), but no! Also, but not a single ad campaign could do without the word "Ripley". Not only Prometheus and Covenant, but also AvP and AvPR. First - Alexa Woods in AvP, then some nameless from AvPR. Let not the plots of the films themselves, but advertising literally depends on the word "Ripley". That's what I want to say.
Quote from: Drukathi on Apr 20, 2020, 05:49:15 PM
I remember how Ripley's parent often appeared in rumors of Prometheus. And in Covenant too! I have no doubt when the new film will be announced - we will hear the phrase "Ripley's relative" one million times!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2020, 09:06:45 PM
The actual advertisement of the films never mentioned Ripley. Fan speculations =/= marketing campaigns.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 22, 2020, 02:11:17 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Apr 22, 2020, 02:11:17 AM
I do agree tho that it isn't a coincidence that every Alien related movie has a female protagonist
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2020, 02:37:09 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 22, 2020, 02:37:09 AM
Kelly barely counts in that regard. I think she's in maybe two scenes in the first half of the film and only becomes a main character for the last half hour or so.
wut?
QuoteTo the greatest happiness (who wants to argue?), but no! Also, but not a single ad campaign could do without the word "Ripley". Not only Prometheus and Covenant, but also AvP and AvPR. First - Alexa Woods in AvP, then some nameless from AvPR. Let not the plots of the films themselves, but advertising literally depends on the word "Ripley". That's what I want to say.
wut?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2020, 03:06:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2020, 03:06:32 PM
To the greatest happiness yo! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Apr 27, 2020, 10:00:08 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Apr 27, 2020, 10:00:08 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 20, 2020, 05:04:45 PM
Still the most appropriate deaths ever.
Is that how you think Aliens should've ended?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Apr 28, 2020, 08:53:53 PM
Post by: Kradan on Apr 28, 2020, 08:53:53 PM
I just need to say: "Bishop brought it" theory is f**king offenisive bullshit. It's even more offensive to me than killing Hicks and Newt (which not really offensive to me tbh). It's f**king Predator Killer of "Egg on Sulaco" theories.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 29, 2020, 12:56:46 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 29, 2020, 12:56:46 AM
It also makes no sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2020, 01:00:25 AM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 29, 2020, 01:00:25 AM
That theory is actually well liked by murderers, rapists and the insane on the honor system.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 29, 2020, 02:31:55 AM
Post by: Vermillion on Apr 29, 2020, 02:31:55 AM
I still think it works.
He brought it up from the Atmosphere Processor while waiting for Ripley to rescue Newt.
Alien 3...Was there and Alien on board.
Yes.
That violates his prime directives that he told Ripley at the breakfast table.
He allowed a human to be harmed and by not telling them, by his action to be harmed.
He brought it up from the Atmosphere Processor while waiting for Ripley to rescue Newt.
Alien 3...Was there and Alien on board.
Yes.
That violates his prime directives that he told Ripley at the breakfast table.
He allowed a human to be harmed and by not telling them, by his action to be harmed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 29, 2020, 02:45:14 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 29, 2020, 02:45:14 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on Apr 29, 2020, 02:31:55 AMHe wouldn't have had time to take it back to the Sulaco and then return to pick up Ripley.
I still think it works.
He brought it up from the Atmosphere Processor while waiting for Ripley to rescue Newt.
And he obviously couldn't take it out of the dropship when they got back.
QuoteAlien 3...Was there and Alien on board.Bishop got that information from the flight recorder.
Yes.
That violates his prime directives that he told Ripley at the breakfast table.
He allowed a human to be harmed and by not telling them, by his action to be harmed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 29, 2020, 03:25:57 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 29, 2020, 03:25:57 AM
Haven't you got that 'Song that never ends' video handy?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 29, 2020, 04:12:25 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 29, 2020, 04:12:25 AM
I don't know why some people seem to want Bishop to be a badguy. Especially since the film makes it a point that not all androids are equal and Ripley was simply being defensive from her past experiences. To make Bishop secretly evil or have some ulterior motive is to say Deckard is a replicant. It's nonsensical.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 29, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 29, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Did he say Deckard is no replicant?
One thread to rule them all...
One thread to rule them all...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Apr 29, 2020, 04:33:21 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Apr 29, 2020, 04:33:21 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 29, 2020, 04:12:25 AM
I don't know why some people seem to want Bishop to be a badguy. Especially since the film makes it a point that not all androids are equal and Ripley was simply being defensive from her past experiences. To make Bishop secretly evil or have some ulterior motive is to say Deckard is a replicant. It's nonsensical.
And prejudiced, considering there's no evidence for it other than the fact that he's an android.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 29, 2020, 06:47:57 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Apr 29, 2020, 06:47:57 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 29, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Did he say Deckard is no replicant?
One thread to rule them all...
I just felt like making the comparison. It feels just as nonsensical to me. Though, Bishop being up to shady shenanigans is not as destructive as Deckard being a replicant, it still would diminish some of the story value.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Apr 29, 2020, 04:33:21 AM
And prejudiced, considering there's no evidence for it other than the fact that he's an android.
Exactly. It's the same reason I like David more in Prometheus than in Covenant. He's not Ash, but he's not Bishop, either. He's got elements of both in him, and yet he's very much his own character, and the constant prodding of the humans around him, at least I could understand his motivation for experimenting on Holloway and so on.
I just think it's important to always factor in creative intention and also the focus of the narrative, what is the story getting at in the subtext as well as the obvious. The subtext is Ripley is judging Bishop based on what he's made of, and not his character. The whole movie he does nothing but help and try to serve, and he stayed to save her life.
That's the real kicker with the Bishop conspiracy. He didn't need to stay if he got his mittens on an egg. He could just fli
y back to the Sulaco and return home.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 30, 2020, 03:17:05 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 30, 2020, 03:17:05 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Apr 29, 2020, 06:47:57 AMQuote from: kwisatz on Apr 29, 2020, 04:23:37 AM
Did he say Deckard is no replicant?
One thread to rule them all...
I just felt like making the comparison. It feels just as nonsensical to me. Though, Bishop being up to shady shenanigans is not as destructive as Deckard being a replicant, it still would diminish some of the story value.
Oh no worries, just fooling around basically. But like you've said, those two 'problems' are not even in the same league. Even not taking into consideration the main difference - Deckards importance for Blade Runner vs Bishops importance for Aliens - the Deckarep theory is not exactly undefendable. Plus with Bishop you don't have the slight complication that the main creator of the source material is going through outrageous lenghts (as in even altering the source material) to cement his viewpoint as the final word on the matter.
Man now i can't lose the picture of Fincher elucidating 'Egg on Sulaco' for Lynch by resorting to a Bishop theory whilst their collective Dune/A3 evening...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on May 14, 2020, 12:08:20 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on May 14, 2020, 12:08:20 AM
About the only room remotely resembling what we see with the egg attached is the armory, but that's still stretching it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
I'd assume there's structural design repetition all over the ship, but since the queen was confined to the hangar bay then that kinda narrows down where the egg could be.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on May 14, 2020, 05:20:31 AM
Post by: Vermillion on May 14, 2020, 05:20:31 AM
^Bishop.
And who the hell names structural support beams on ships. [emoji2373]
And who the hell names structural support beams on ships. [emoji2373]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 05:26:04 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 05:26:04 AM
Fun fact: the ship was actually named after the manufacturer of its structural supports.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2020, 06:03:31 AM
Post by: SiL on May 14, 2020, 06:03:31 AM
Quote from: Vermillion on May 14, 2020, 05:20:31 AMWas also only in the hanger bay before being torn in half.
^Bishop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 14, 2020, 06:04:43 AM
Post by: SM on May 14, 2020, 06:04:43 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 05:26:04 AM
Fun fact: the ship was actually named after the manufacturer of its structural supports.
Convenient.
I hear they're not that great though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 06:53:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 06:53:34 AM
Maybe that's why EU Hicks thought it was a stupid goddamn name.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on May 14, 2020, 07:53:37 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on May 14, 2020, 07:53:37 AM
The egg wasn't on the Sulaco... It was on the Sulaco. Get it? Ah-hah, you see, because I... Ah.. I'll see myself out...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
Art imitates life imitating art.
https://www.sulacosteel.co.uk/about
In the future, they're a full-blown multinational steelworks.
https://www.sulacosteel.co.uk/about
In the future, they're a full-blown multinational steelworks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on May 14, 2020, 10:41:22 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on May 14, 2020, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 10:31:19 PM
Art imitates life imitating art.
https://www.sulacosteel.co.uk/about
In the future, they're a full-blown multinational steelworks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtCCbu-6crA
Now we just need a Weyland industries and the circle will be complete.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on May 15, 2020, 05:29:40 AM
Post by: Vermillion on May 15, 2020, 05:29:40 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 16, 2020, 12:38:08 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 16, 2020, 12:38:08 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on May 16, 2020, 05:53:15 AM
Post by: Vermillion on May 16, 2020, 05:53:15 AM
What if Protoculture was the Royal Jelly?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jun 04, 2020, 09:06:20 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jun 04, 2020, 09:06:20 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 14, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
I'd assume there's structural design repetition all over the ship, but since the queen was confined to the hangar bay then that kinda narrows down where the egg could be.
To be fair even the sleeping pods were different between films. But anyway. Maybe the queen pooped one out before she left the ship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 04, 2020, 09:41:23 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 04, 2020, 09:41:23 PM
That's clearly not the landing leg of the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Janek on Jun 04, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
Post by: Janek on Jun 04, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
This thread is like groundhog day ;D by all means, carry on!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 04, 2020, 10:33:28 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 04, 2020, 10:33:28 PM
SPORES
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 05, 2020, 03:10:17 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 05, 2020, 03:10:17 AM
Cancer is right, the Queen's amniotic fluids left spores.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 05, 2020, 03:18:20 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 05, 2020, 03:18:20 AM
That's ingenious.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 05, 2020, 03:22:43 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 05, 2020, 03:22:43 AM
Why thank you my juicy friend. 💋
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jun 05, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 05, 2020, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: Janek on Jun 04, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
This thread is like groundhog day ;D by all means, carry on!
Indeed ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 08, 2020, 11:08:13 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 08, 2020, 11:08:13 PM
Quote from: Janek on Jun 04, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
This thread is like groundhog day ;D by all means, carry on!
Paradise to some, hell to others. If there's one thing we can deduce about the motives of future superintelligences, it's that they simulate people who talk about Egg on Sulaco and condemn them to an eternity of forum posts about Egg on Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 08, 2020, 11:23:57 PM
Post by: Vermillion on Jun 08, 2020, 11:23:57 PM
Introduce the "Phantom Zone".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: son_of_kane on Jun 12, 2020, 08:41:51 PM
Post by: son_of_kane on Jun 12, 2020, 08:41:51 PM
Here's the thing. Ripley would've checked the dropship and other areas of the Sulaco inside out for anything suspicious that the Queen may have left. If she spotted anything that looked unusual, anything at all, she would have taken a flamethrower and vaporized it. It would have been incredibly careless of her not to. So any emergency egg/spore/secretion would have been incinerated before it could hatch. On the other hand, if you think of Alien 3 as Ripley's hypersleep nightmare then the egg and everything else in that movie actually makes sense...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 12, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 12, 2020, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Jun 12, 2020, 08:41:51 PM
Here's the thing. Ripley would've checked the dropship and other areas of the Sulaco inside out for anything suspicious that the Queen may have left. If she spotted anything that looked unusual, anything at all, she would have taken a flamethrower and vaporized it. It would have been incredibly careless of her not to. So any emergency egg/spore/secretion would have been incinerated before it could hatch. On the other hand, if you think of Alien 3 as Ripley's hypersleep nightmare then the egg and everything else in that movie actually makes sense...
Been saying this for years. There's no way Ripley, after everything she's been through with the xenos, wouldn't check everywhere there could be an egg or facehugger before going into cryosleep. It's not like there's many places there could be one, so a search wouldn't have taken very long.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 12:37:03 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 12:37:03 AM
Not only that but in Alien 3 Bishop states that Sulaco is capable of detecting alien life form and movement. The ahip would have been thoroughly searched by Ripley AND scanned by ship with Bishops help
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 12:45:09 PM
This is why I'm still on board with the WYR's "egg-forming material" having been leaked (or "flung") to an area where Ripley either wouldn't look, was too small to notice and/or seemed harmless enough that she could easily overlook it as a potential threat.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
"Scan the ship" with what? They had cameras and motion trackers, not tricorders.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 13, 2020, 01:14:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 13, 2020, 01:14:53 AM
Bishop doesn't say the ship can detect alien lifeforms moving on the ship; Ripley asks if there was an Alien and he says yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 13, 2020, 01:29:40 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 13, 2020, 01:29:40 AM
Wasn't the Covenant able to detect alien life form or something?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 01:45:33 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 01:45:33 AM
Yes. To the former.
Bishop responded 'Yes' when Ripley asked if there was an Alien on board.
Bishop responded 'Yes' when Ripley asked if there was an Alien on board.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 13, 2020, 01:53:11 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 13, 2020, 01:53:11 AM
That doesn't mean it necessarily detected it moving around (although it definitely did when it was wrapped around someone's face). Like I don't think the implication in the film was that the Sulaco has alien-life-form detectors onboard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 02:57:27 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 02:57:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 22, 2014, 09:24:45 PM
It could simply, as Local Trouble said, be visible on security cameras. Security camera software can record everything then show the person accessing it, whenever movement occurred. Bishop just has to look at to when movement was detected during certain times.
Cameras were all they had on the Nostromo. No Alien Detectors (TM).
That is, unless we're now assuming that Covenant retconned everything into having Alien Detectors (TM). I tend to stick with what the old movies established regardless of Covenant, to be honest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 03:01:26 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 03:01:26 AM
In the script and novelization Ripley asks "Did sensors detect any moving life forms on the ship prior
to separation?"
to separation?"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 13, 2020, 03:02:42 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 13, 2020, 03:02:42 AM
In the film she asks about movement, indicating the Sulaco can detect something moving around. But script, novel and final film don't seem to indicate something capable of detecting whether something's human or not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 03:04:36 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 03:04:36 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 03:01:26 AM
In the script and novelization Ripley asks "Did sensors detect any moving life forms on the ship prior
to separation?"
Wouldn't surveillance cameras and motion trackers qualify as sensors?
Also worth mentioning is the fact that neither the Nostromo or the Sulaco started blaring klaxons and alerting their crews to an "unidentified lifeform" like the Covenant did after Lope popped.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jun 13, 2020, 06:15:41 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 13, 2020, 06:15:41 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 03:04:36 AM
Also worth mentioning is the fact that neither the Nostromo or the Sulaco started blaring klaxons and alerting their crews to an "unidentified lifeform" like the Covenant did after Lope popped.
Shit
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 07:47:09 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 13, 2020, 07:47:09 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 13, 2020, 03:02:42 AM
In the film she asks about movement, indicating the Sulaco can detect something moving around. But script, novel and final film don't seem to indicate something capable of detecting whether something's human or not.
Quite.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
I wonder if those who insist that Ripley would have scoured every nook and cranny of the Sulaco before going to hypersleep also think she never would have left LV-426 without ensuring that the derelict was obliterated.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 13, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
Well, I doubt she had any plans to ever go back there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 09:21:05 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 09:21:05 PM
Whether she intended to go back there or not, her fear was that someone eventually would and even bring specimens back to Earth. That's why she lost her shit at the inquest and couldn't stop having nightmares afterward.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 10:25:45 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 10:25:45 PM
She knew the spot where the derelict is from the colony log at least and she knew the range of the blast so its pretty safe to assume the derelict was well within that range enough so that it didnt even require checking
As far as Ripley searching the ship she only had to look into the dropship because the only other place the queen was was a huge open space which is a hangar, and constantly observed by Bishop and Newt
As far as Ripley searching the ship she only had to look into the dropship because the only other place the queen was was a huge open space which is a hangar, and constantly observed by Bishop and Newt
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 13, 2020, 10:30:30 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 13, 2020, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 10:25:45 PM
She knew the spot where the derelict is from the colony log at least and she knew the range of the blast so its pretty safe to assume the derelict was well within that range enough so that it didnt even require checking
As far as Ripley searching the ship she only had to look into the dropship because the only other place the queen was was a huge open space which is a hangar, and constantly observed by Bishop and Newt
Yep, and yep. Not like she had to search the whole ship, which would have been extremely difficult (if not impossible).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 10:40:04 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 10:25:45 PM
She knew the spot where the derelict is from the colony log at least and she knew the range of the blast so its pretty safe to assume the derelict was well within that range enough so that it didnt even require checking
She sure went through an awful lot to just wind up assuming that the explosion destroyed it. Or, as SM put it...
Quote from: SM on Feb 25, 2014, 01:37:47 AM
That people would think Ripley would leave without being sure boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jun 14, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
Post by: razeak on Jun 14, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
I feel we would have to assume Ripley would have been sure of the Derelict's destruction, and that there was no egg on board the Sulaco. At the very least we could assume she found an weapon and checked the landing gear.
The most likely explanation comes from The Predator cause why not lol.
Ripley survives LV-426. Sulaco encounters a wormhole and gets pulled into the far future. Sulaco hits a meteor shower or something and they crash land on an Xeno infested Earth. Ala Thundercats(leaky cryotube) and Michael Bay, Newt aged to about 20, and somehow became a supermodel/super commando/computer hacker genius.
The survivors have been on the cusp of time travel, but Newt cracks the formula, and they attempt to go back to the. They go back a bit too far and the Derelict hasn't crashed yet, cause it ain't ancient you know. they try again and Ripley and get separated into parallel universes.
Hicks finds his other dimensional self post A:CM and they wipe out WY. He states that things have improved and starts an interdimensional quest to find Ripley and Newt (new Netflix series.
Newt and Ripley land in extremely similar universes. Upon awakening they are briefed by McKenna. Once they listen to him talk for 5 minutes, they realize that humanity doesn't deserve to live, and that autistic Predators are too powerful to defeat even with Stark Industries tech. They travel forward, place an egg on Sulaco, and eject themselves out the airlock because it's the only way to be sure. Nihilism intact, Hicks still alive in another dimension.
*Source
Leaked Alien 5 script that Hill have Ripley recently. Probably.
The most likely explanation comes from The Predator cause why not lol.
Ripley survives LV-426. Sulaco encounters a wormhole and gets pulled into the far future. Sulaco hits a meteor shower or something and they crash land on an Xeno infested Earth. Ala Thundercats(leaky cryotube) and Michael Bay, Newt aged to about 20, and somehow became a supermodel/super commando/computer hacker genius.
The survivors have been on the cusp of time travel, but Newt cracks the formula, and they attempt to go back to the. They go back a bit too far and the Derelict hasn't crashed yet, cause it ain't ancient you know. they try again and Ripley and get separated into parallel universes.
Hicks finds his other dimensional self post A:CM and they wipe out WY. He states that things have improved and starts an interdimensional quest to find Ripley and Newt (new Netflix series.
Newt and Ripley land in extremely similar universes. Upon awakening they are briefed by McKenna. Once they listen to him talk for 5 minutes, they realize that humanity doesn't deserve to live, and that autistic Predators are too powerful to defeat even with Stark Industries tech. They travel forward, place an egg on Sulaco, and eject themselves out the airlock because it's the only way to be sure. Nihilism intact, Hicks still alive in another dimension.
*Source
Leaked Alien 5 script that Hill have Ripley recently. Probably.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 14, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
Post by: j0nesy on Jun 14, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
*board room erupts with clapping*
"here's $200 million, go make that happen"
"here's $200 million, go make that happen"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 01:30:09 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 01:30:09 AM
I've never been able to get Kevin Smith's story about reading his Superman script to Jon Peters out of my head when thinking about how Hollywood producers absorb pitches like this. I imagine lots of ideas sound great when you're high as a kite on booger sugar.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 02:25:01 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 02:25:01 AM
Gremlins 2 (https://vimeo.com/channels/keypeele/139035447).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 02:42:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 02:42:49 AM
Now I want to see an Aliens vs. Gremlins crossover with appearances by Daniel Grant and Daniel Clamp.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 15, 2020, 08:37:41 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 15, 2020, 08:37:41 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 13, 2020, 08:32:36 PMI wonder if those who insist that Ripley would have scoured every nook and cranny of the Sulaco before going to hypersleep also think she never would have left LV-426 without ensuring that the derelict was obliterated.
She obviously did make sure, because Resurrection (and to a lesser extent 3) tell us the Aliens aren't there any more.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 15, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 15, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
The derelict was definitely not destroyed in the blast. It has survived centuries on the most unstable planetoid imaginable, rife with volcanic activity and adverse weather. Also, in the special edition, the guy speaking to Al clearly states "hey, you know those Wildcatters you sent out to the middle of nowhere LAST WEEK past the ilyum range? Well one of them is on the horn, a Mom and Pops survey team, wants to know if their claim will be honoured?" so from that we can deduce that multiple teams were sent out to co-ordinates Burke provided, the Jordan's just happened to be the ones to stumble upon it, it's past a range (we saw this in Alien, quite a mountainous area, so we'll sheltered) and it's quite the distance away.. Maybe days travel. The Atmosphere processor exploded in a mushroom cloud.. At best the derelict experienced nuclear fallout. All expanded media support this.. Not just games etc, but the Colonial Marines technical manual, with transcripts from Tanaka5.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 15, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 15, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
They also had the ability to nuke the site from orbit. Either way, as already mentioned, Alien 3 and Resurection make it pretty clear the derelict wasnt a viable source for the alien anymore
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 03:10:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2020, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Jun 15, 2020, 01:37:35 PMThe derelict was definitely not destroyed in the blast. It has survived centuries on the most unstable planetoid imaginable, rife with volcanic activity and adverse weather.
Whether you think it was destroyed or not, it was definitely worse for wear in Aliens than it was in Alien. One of the "prongs" was broken and Cameron said that it was damaged by volcanic activity.
Quote from: Its_Auto on Jun 15, 2020, 01:37:35 PMAlso, in the special edition, the guy speaking to Al clearly states "hey, you know those Wildcatters you sent out to the middle of nowhere LAST WEEK past the ilyum range? Well one of them is on the horn, a Mom and Pops survey team, wants to know if their claim will be honoured?" so from that we can deduce that multiple teams were sent out to co-ordinates Burke provided, the Jordan's just happened to be the ones to stumble upon it
I always interpreted "wildcatters" (plural) as referring to both Russ and Anne, not multiple separate teams.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: SM on Jun 15, 2020, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Jun 15, 2020, 01:37:35 PM
The derelict was definitely not destroyed in the blast. It has survived centuries on the most unstable planetoid imaginable, rife with volcanic activity and adverse weather. Also, in the special edition, the guy speaking to Al clearly states "hey, you know those Wildcatters you sent out to the middle of nowhere LAST WEEK past the ilyum range? Well one of them is on the horn, a Mom and Pops survey team, wants to know if their claim will be honoured?" so from that we can deduce that multiple teams were sent out to co-ordinates Burke provided, the Jordan's just happened to be the ones to stumble upon it, it's past a range (we saw this in Alien, quite a mountainous area, so we'll sheltered) and it's quite the distance away.. Maybe days travel. The Atmosphere processor exploded in a mushroom cloud.. At best the derelict experienced nuclear fallout. All expanded media support this.. Not just games etc, but the Colonial Marines technical manual, with transcripts from Tanaka5.
"All expanded media"?
Nope.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 16, 2020, 01:39:56 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jun 16, 2020, 01:39:56 AM
Another explanation for some of the discontinuities is Ripley being partially awake, stasis interrupted, etc. Different cryotubes can't really be explained other than Fincher wanting something like the original film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 01:47:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 16, 2020, 01:47:33 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2013, 03:47:21 AM
That's because the UPP boarded the ship, removed the passengers from their tubes (without reviving them) and then placed them back in the senior officers' cryotubes (in a different section of the ship) when they sent the Sulaco back on her merry way.
The white lettering was on the Sulaco's port side. Black on starboard.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 22, 2020, 12:29:43 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jun 22, 2020, 12:29:43 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jun 16, 2020, 01:39:56 AM
Another explanation for some of the discontinuities is Ripley being partially awake, stasis interrupted, etc. Different cryotubes can't really be explained other than Fincher wanting something like the original film.
..or there is a part of the story we simply haven't seen yet, between Aliens and Alien 3..which could explain them using different cryochamber and the presence of an egg.. But for most, this is beyond the realm of possibility, and instead will roll with everything from the android did it to the Queen throwing vaginal egg spores 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2020, 06:51:40 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 24, 2020, 06:51:40 AM
The interim between Aliens and Alien 3 probably would have been better suited to an Out of the Shadows-like story.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jul 08, 2020, 08:44:52 PM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jul 08, 2020, 08:44:52 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 13, 2020, 12:37:03 AM
Not only that but in Alien 3 Bishop states that Sulaco is capable of detecting alien life form and movement. The ahip would have been thoroughly searched by Ripley AND scanned by ship with Bishops help
Could WY remotely access the ship?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2020, 11:02:07 AM
Post by: SM on Jul 09, 2020, 11:02:07 AM
Insofar as data from the ship is sent back to network.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 02:14:23 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 02:14:23 AM
"With Bishop's help"
Interesting.
Interesting.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Aug 08, 2020, 06:19:10 AM
Post by: judge death on Aug 08, 2020, 06:19:10 AM
All these ideas of Riley doing a scan and use the sulacos systems: I doubt she knew how all those systems work or how to do a scan, she isnt military but civilian and advicor on the mission and I highly doubt all the tech onboard are opened for anyone to use, minimum codes for the higher operations would been needed and then one also need to know what one is doing and what commands to press etc. Hell some people today struggles when using an iphone vs samsung in the menu....
And bishop was probably deactivated or barely working after the damage and hicks is out too so have a feeling ripley just focused on doing visual checks and then making everyone ready for the home trip and after all that they went through, they might not be thinking 100% straight either.
But thats my own theory on it :P
And bishop was probably deactivated or barely working after the damage and hicks is out too so have a feeling ripley just focused on doing visual checks and then making everyone ready for the home trip and after all that they went through, they might not be thinking 100% straight either.
But thats my own theory on it :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2020, 06:57:19 AM
Post by: SM on Aug 08, 2020, 06:57:19 AM
Ash and David operated okay enough after way more damage. Bishop was able to save Newt after being torn in half. He could've told Ripley what to do if she couldn't work it out on her own. And I'd be surprised if she couldn't.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2020, 07:14:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2020, 07:14:31 AM
Ripley was a professional starship officer and all three movies demonstrated her technical proficiency to some degree.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 08, 2020, 08:00:25 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Aug 08, 2020, 08:00:25 AM
She had to look in one or maybe two places. How hard is that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 11:31:10 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2020, 07:14:31 AM
Ripley was a professional starship officer and all three movies demonstrated her technical proficiency to some degree.
It was more the fact that it's the alien universe, not much changes. She should've been lost in the woods after a six-decade jump in technology.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 08, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 08, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
She flew a ship 200 years after she died.
Stagnating flight technology seems the norm.
Stagnating flight technology seems the norm.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 11:35:44 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 11:35:44 AM
Seems like humanity got only so far and not much further. I'm starting to wonder if the company just owns everything.
"Weyland Yutani Corporation: We Own Everything"
"Weyland Yutani Corporation: We Own Everything"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: son_of_kane on Aug 08, 2020, 04:36:48 PM
Post by: son_of_kane on Aug 08, 2020, 04:36:48 PM
Quote from: judge death on Aug 08, 2020, 06:19:10 AM.
All these ideas of Riley doing a scan and use the sulacos systems: I doubt she knew how all those systems work or how to do a scan, she isnt military but civilian and advicor on the mission and I highly doubt all the tech onboard are opened for anyone to use, minimum codes for the higher operations would been needed and then one also need to know what one is doing and what commands to press etc. Hell some people today struggles when using an iphone vs samsung in the menu....
And bishop was probably deactivated or barely working after the damage and hicks is out too so have a feeling ripley just focused on doing visual checks and then making everyone ready for the home trip and after all that they went through, they might not be thinking 100% straight either.
But thats my own theory on it :P
I think Ripley familiarised herself with quite a lot of the Sulaco's capabilities and systems prior to the mission. She knew the ship could nuke a site from orbit with a high degree of accuracy, a plain civilian probably wouldn't know that. She also knew how to operate the medical scanner on the EEV. Also, with Hicks incapacitated, I assume Ripley was granted access to all the authority to execute commands.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpaceKase on Aug 08, 2020, 05:33:43 PM
Post by: SpaceKase on Aug 08, 2020, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 11:35:44 AM
Seems like humanity got only so far and not much further. I'm starting to wonder if the company just owns everything.
"Weyland Yutani Corporation: We Own Everything"
Don't be ridiculous, Huggs. Everyone knows that Disney owns everything.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Aug 08, 2020, 10:55:10 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 08, 2020, 10:55:10 PM
Even you. And Huggs. And me
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 11:32:43 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2020, 11:32:43 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWQuh9z6Syg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2020, 12:06:35 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2020, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Aug 08, 2020, 04:36:48 PMAlso, with Hicks incapacitated, I assume Ripley was granted access to all the authority to execute commands.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2014, 02:21:45 AM
In my head canon, Bishop suggested to her that he could hack into the ship's computer and "promote her" to a USCM lieutenant. This would in turn grant her the authority to arm and launch the Sulaco's nukes. ;D
This missing scene would have the added benefit of providing a clear explanation as to why she's suddenly "Leftenant Ripley" in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 09, 2020, 12:08:53 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 09, 2020, 12:08:53 AM
Are you suggesting Bishop did something with her underwear?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2020, 12:26:03 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2020, 12:26:03 AM
The ship would naturally print her a new set of undies too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 09, 2020, 12:51:12 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Aug 09, 2020, 12:51:12 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2020, 12:26:03 AM
The ship would naturally print her a new set of undies too.
Perks of the job eh?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Aug 09, 2020, 05:10:18 AM
Post by: judge death on Aug 09, 2020, 05:10:18 AM
Quote from: son_of_kane on Aug 08, 2020, 04:36:48 PMThats the only way I can see ripley doing all scans etc: hicks or bishop gives her the codes to be able to log on into all systems and program sulaco, and if the computer systems are like the ones from the 80s and heck we have at my job which is pre dos: one need to have a sheet that shows all commands like:Quote from: judge death on Aug 08, 2020, 06:19:10 AM.
All these ideas of Riley doing a scan and use the sulacos systems: I doubt she knew how all those systems work or how to do a scan, she isnt military but civilian and advicor on the mission and I highly doubt all the tech onboard are opened for anyone to use, minimum codes for the higher operations would been needed and then one also need to know what one is doing and what commands to press etc. Hell some people today struggles when using an iphone vs samsung in the menu....
And bishop was probably deactivated or barely working after the damage and hicks is out too so have a feeling ripley just focused on doing visual checks and then making everyone ready for the home trip and after all that they went through, they might not be thinking 100% straight either.
But thats my own theory on it :P
I think Ripley familiarised herself with quite a lot of the Sulaco's capabilities and systems prior to the mission. She knew the ship could nuke a site from orbit with a high degree of accuracy, a plain civilian probably wouldn't know that. She also knew how to operate the medical scanner on the EEV. Also, with Hicks incapacitated, I assume Ripley was granted access to all the authority to execute commands.
After you log in, you need to put in a code to get to the settings page like: crtl + a
From there you can start the desired program but once inside you need to put in a code for each page like for a ship:
ctrl+C to get to current readings, then to get to a different page like thrusters: ctrl+G. and the program/hud dont show any codes just the page you put int he code to get to.
Unless you either know the codes by memory or have that sheet with all codes for each page, then not even a computer expert can do anything but to press random keys.
ahhh the good old 80s programs :P Always works but so tricky and slow to use. Nothing like todays windows or mac computers :P
But they might have easier to use systems than what I described, and then as I said: it shouldnt be a problem for ripley to figure out and use, as long as she have the required passwords etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:36:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:36:26 AM
For the love of God, can we please get some consensus up in here?! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 22, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 22, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
I have it right here for you:
Spoiler
Egg somehow ended up on board of Sulaco so masterpiece known as Alien 3 could happen. Period
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:49:39 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:49:39 AM
Your caginess makes me suspect UPP involvement.
Spoiler
Товарищ.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 22, 2020, 07:53:21 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 22, 2020, 07:53:21 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Nov 23, 2020, 02:36:39 AM
Post by: Stitch on Nov 23, 2020, 02:36:39 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:36:26 AMThere was an egg on board. It was with them all the way.
For the love of God, can we please get some consensus up in here?! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 03:36:38 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 03:36:38 AM
The Queen dropped the eggs on the Sulaco. It's pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2020, 03:39:35 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 23, 2020, 03:39:35 AM
Do you know what you have done? :o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 03:41:25 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 03:41:25 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 03:36:38 AM
The Queen dropped the eggs on the Sulaco. It's pretty obvious.
God dammit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 03:48:56 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 03:48:56 AM
Was this topic a fierce debate or something? Because if it was, it must've been pretty silly. I mean there's no other explanation anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 03:49:22 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 03:49:22 AM
Nooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2020, 04:01:49 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2020, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 03:48:56 AM
Was this topic a fierce debate or something? Because if it was, it must've been pretty silly. I mean there's no other explanation anyway.
You don't think Bishop did it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:11:21 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:11:21 AM
Where would Bishop have gotten the eggs? If I remember correctly, the eggs were all in the Hive and Bishop was on the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:13:08 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:13:08 AM
From William Gibson.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:21:20 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:21:20 AM
But I do know there is an express elevator to get there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:22:46 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:22:46 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:21:20 AM
But I do know there is an express elevator to get there.
Did Bishop use it to smuggle the eggs though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:24:34 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:24:34 AM
Did Bishop swallow the eggs and regurgitate them out on the Sulaco?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:25:27 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:25:27 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:24:34 AM
Did Bishop swallow the eggs and regurgitate them out on the Sulaco?
Don't be ridiculous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:28:57 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:28:57 AM
I'm genuinely curious. The Queen was in the middle of laying her eggs, and as she chased after Newt and Ripley, they fell out of her uterus. That makes sense, right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:30:15 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:30:15 AM
And then grew, how?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:32:07 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:32:07 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:28:57 AM
I'm genuinely curious. The Queen was in the middle of laying her eggs, and as she chased after Newt and Ripley, they fell out of her uterus. That makes sense, right?
Not as such.
She might have somehow laid them en route on the dropship. But between her in the AP station, on the docking platform and on the Sulaco - we're not seeing them 'fall out of her uterus'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:34:38 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:34:38 AM
Also that egg isn't in the landing gear or hold of the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:35:54 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:35:54 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:34:38 AM
Also that egg isn't in the landing gear or hold of the dropship.
So how'd they get on the Dropship?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:36:53 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:36:53 AM
How did what get on the dropship? The egg we see is not in or on the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 04:37:41 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 04:37:41 AM
Simple, Phobos...
The egg came out of Giler, Hill and Gordon Carroll.
The egg came out of Giler, Hill and Gordon Carroll.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:41:25 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:41:25 AM
I thought the eggs got on the Sulaco by way of the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:42:46 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:42:46 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:41:25 AM
I thought the eggs got on the Sulaco by way of the dropship.
Who moved it from the dropship to wherever it was hidden then?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:43:16 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:43:16 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Nov 23, 2020, 04:44:47 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 23, 2020, 04:44:47 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:45:37 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:45:37 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 23, 2020, 04:44:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2zJOryHKQ
:laugh:
This is the thread that never ends.
Yes, it goes on and on, my friend.
Some people started posting here
Not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue posting here
Forever, just because....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:46:43 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:46:43 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:42:46 AMQuote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:41:25 AM
I thought the eggs got on the Sulaco by way of the dropship.
Who moved it from the dropship to wherever it was hidden then?
That's the question I wanna know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:48:24 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:48:24 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:46:43 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:42:46 AMQuote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:41:25 AM
I thought the eggs got on the Sulaco by way of the dropship.
Who moved it from the dropship to wherever it was hidden then?
That's the question I wanna know.
And now we're back to Bishop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:52:08 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 04:52:08 AM
Bishop got the eggs from where? I think it's a combination of both Bishop and the Queen .
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:57:15 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 04:57:15 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:48:24 AMQuote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:46:43 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 04:42:46 AMQuote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 04:41:25 AM
I thought the eggs got on the Sulaco by way of the dropship.
Who moved it from the dropship to wherever it was hidden then?
That's the question I wanna know.
And now we're back to Bishop.
See that blue robot and green robot? They want you dead.
Canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 05:05:14 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 23, 2020, 05:05:14 AM
You guys seem to know more about this subject than me. I'll have to rewatch the film cuz I'm getting confused.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2020, 05:08:21 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 23, 2020, 05:08:21 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Nov 23, 2020, 05:08:55 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 23, 2020, 05:08:55 AM
It's a plothole.
It's kind of that simple. Facehuggers being on the Sulaco, eggs being on the dropship -- they could be explained.
Eggs being upside down in a random corridor aboard the ship, no.
It's kind of that simple. Facehuggers being on the Sulaco, eggs being on the dropship -- they could be explained.
Eggs being upside down in a random corridor aboard the ship, no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:13:24 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:13:24 AM
and it never made any sense
and it never will.
The real question is why did Lauzirika keep the egg for the Assembly Cut?
and it never will.
The real question is why did Lauzirika keep the egg for the Assembly Cut?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 23, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 23, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Could be plausible, even the Blu-ray Menu of the film tries to retcon the hallway into the inside of the dropship.
He said in an interview because he didn't want the Assembly Cut to be a fan cut.
Because he already found it mostly intact.
That's understandable but as much as I respect the guy, utter bullshit
when you make a new special effect for the Oxburster and rerecord dialogue. Either let it be or improve it. (Especially because the Egg on the Sulaco's a studio mandated reshoot not present in the shooting script.)
And cutting out nearly any sight of Alien before the funeral scene would be a massive improvement.
That way we only know a bit more than Ripley for nowhere near as long, that fosters dread, and we find out where it came from when she does, when she speaks to Bishop.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:13:24 AM
and it never made any sense
and it never will.
The real question is why did Lauzirika keep the egg for the Assembly Cut?
He said in an interview because he didn't want the Assembly Cut to be a fan cut.
Because he already found it mostly intact.
That's understandable but as much as I respect the guy, utter bullshit
Spoiler
[close]
And cutting out nearly any sight of Alien before the funeral scene would be a massive improvement.
That way we only know a bit more than Ripley for nowhere near as long, that fosters dread, and we find out where it came from when she does, when she speaks to Bishop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:25:07 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:25:07 AM
Even if the egg is on the Sulaco...(via retcon)
We were already shown that the eggs "arrive" via a very large egg sac.
Why does the Queen bother with an egg sac if she can just plop one out when the plot requires it?
Why did no one notice it before going to cryo? The egg seems pretty big.
Why even make sense?
What is sense?
Sense is what?
We were already shown that the eggs "arrive" via a very large egg sac.
Why does the Queen bother with an egg sac if she can just plop one out when the plot requires it?
Why did no one notice it before going to cryo? The egg seems pretty big.
Why even make sense?
What is sense?
Sense is what?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 23, 2020, 05:28:44 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 23, 2020, 05:28:44 AM
Like I said above that's why the Special Edition would have been better leaving it completely ambiguous.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:30:19 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:30:19 AM
y u make sense?
and moobie doesn't?
why are things?
When is baby yoda gonna show up in an Alien moobie?
and moobie doesn't?
why are things?
When is baby yoda gonna show up in an Alien moobie?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 05:48:01 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 05:48:01 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 23, 2020, 03:36:38 AM
The Queen dropped the eggs on the Sulaco. It's pretty obvious.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:25:07 AM
Why even make sense?
What is sense?
Sense is what?
"I hope this has been enlightening for you."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 23, 2020, 07:37:26 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 23, 2020, 07:37:26 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 04:37:41 AM
Simple, Phobos...
The egg came out of Giler, Hill and Gordon Carroll.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 23, 2020, 05:08:55 AM
Eggs being upside down in a random corridor aboard the ship, no.
Why ? It grew legs, just walked and glued itself there
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 07:58:28 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 07:58:28 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 23, 2020, 07:37:26 AM
Why ? It grew legs, just walked and glued itself there
It's a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2020, 09:18:32 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2020, 09:18:32 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 23, 2020, 05:15:28 AM
Could be plausible, even the Blu-ray Menu of the film tries to retcon the hallway into the inside of the dropship.Quote from: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 05:13:24 AM
and it never made any sense
and it never will.
The real question is why did Lauzirika keep the egg for the Assembly Cut?
He said in an interview because he didn't want the Assembly Cut to be a fan cut.
Because he already found it mostly intact.
I'm still a little confused by that. I mean obviously the timeline of production isn't a simple thing, but I was sure the egg insert and the change to dogburster both came around as part of the LA reshoots so that there was a cut with one but not the other is surprising to me. Though the Archives guys may know better since someone there has the reshoot material?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
Yeah the egg and dogburster was LA shoot.
A true Assembly pre-LA shoot would have big gaps in it, due to the stuff they couldn't shoot in England.
It's a mish-mash and includes things like the ox that Fincher had already discarded.
A true Assembly pre-LA shoot would have big gaps in it, due to the stuff they couldn't shoot in England.
It's a mish-mash and includes things like the ox that Fincher had already discarded.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: son_of_kane on Nov 23, 2020, 06:54:22 PM
Post by: son_of_kane on Nov 23, 2020, 06:54:22 PM
David boarded the Sulaco when Ripley and the others were in hypersleep and stuck an egg that he specially created from the black goo onto the ceiling. Mystery solved! :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2020, 07:22:50 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2020, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:36:26 AM
For the love of God, can we please get some consensus up in here?! >:(
Have you got a bet with someone that you can get this thread to 500 pages?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 07:24:23 PM
I'll take a piece of that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 23, 2020, 07:53:46 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 23, 2020, 07:53:46 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2020, 07:22:50 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:36:26 AM
For the love of God, can we please get some consensus up in here?! >:(
Have you got a bet with someone that you can get this thread to 500 pages?
Well, I turned "50 posts per page" on, so it's only page 73 for me :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Nov 24, 2020, 01:18:35 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Nov 24, 2020, 01:18:35 AM
Damn it Local, why couldn't you just let it die??? ::)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2020, 01:21:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2020, 01:21:45 AM
Because the lack of consensus rankles me! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 24, 2020, 01:54:00 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 24, 2020, 01:54:00 AM
He said it! He said the thing!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
Post by: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
I never understood in the directors cut where the queen facehugger came from.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 08:34:42 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 08:34:42 PM
An egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:38:52 PM
Post by: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:38:52 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 24, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 24, 2020, 08:46:26 PM
Quote from: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:38:52 PMQuote from: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 08:34:42 PM
An egg.
That means there were 2 eggs on sulaco ??
Possibly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 24, 2020, 09:08:21 PM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 24, 2020, 09:08:21 PM
Quote from: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
I never understood in the directors cut where the queen facehugger came from.
from Studio ADI.
(queen facehugger and queen chestburster are a silly idea, anyway. Hinging their entire reproductive system on specific eggs/chestbursters? It's better if any Alien can become a queen..)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 24, 2020, 09:09:21 PM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 24, 2020, 09:09:21 PM
SM knows the answer. But he conspired with Local to keep the thread going
I like Alien 3 and I can live with idea of Queen facehugger but yeah I prefer idea of any Alien being able to turn into one too
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 24, 2020, 09:08:21 PMQuote from: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
I never understood in the directors cut where the queen facehugger came from.
from Studio ADI.
(queen facehugger and queen chestburster is a silly idea, anyway. It's better if any Alien can become a queen..)
I like Alien 3 and I can live with idea of Queen facehugger but yeah I prefer idea of any Alien being able to turn into one too
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 24, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:38:52 PMQuote from: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 08:34:42 PM
An egg.
That means there were 2 eggs on sulaco ??
I only saw one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 10:02:47 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 10:02:47 PM
I blinked and didn't see any!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Nov 24, 2020, 10:41:12 PM
Post by: SiL on Nov 24, 2020, 10:41:12 PM
There were two listed on the call sheet for the shoot, but only one shown on screen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 24, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 24, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 23, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
Yeah the egg and dogburster was LA shoot.
A true Assembly pre-LA shoot would have big gaps in it, due to the stuff they couldn't shoot in England.
It's a mish-mash and includes things like the ox that Fincher had already discarded.
This.
When I found out that Fincher had disowned "Alien 3", I was disappointed. I still am, especially because he didn't do a true director's cut.
Without Fincher, I don't see how the inconsistencies in the film can be resolved.
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 11:04:55 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 11:04:55 PM
I don't think a proper director's cut would fix anything. Fincher didn't seem fussed in explaining things like where the eggs or hugger came from.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 24, 2020, 11:34:24 PM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 24, 2020, 11:34:24 PM
shoe salesman. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 25, 2020, 12:44:22 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 25, 2020, 12:44:22 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 24, 2020, 10:41:12 PM
There were two listed on the call sheet for the shoot, but only one shown on screen.
Was it 2? I thought it was just eggs. And I'm sure there's a little cluster in the Japanese making of.
Quote from: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 11:04:55 PM
I don't think a proper director's cut would fix anything. Fincher didn't seem fussed in explaining things like where the eggs or hugger came from.
People would still be asking where it came from, but I'd prefer a cut without the egg in at all. I'd rather the question than the "plot hole".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Nov 25, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
Post by: SiL on Nov 25, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
It specifies two.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 25, 2020, 12:50:59 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 25, 2020, 12:50:59 PM
From the book. Could mean anything though.
Fair enough.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
It specifies two.
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Nov 25, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
Post by: Stitch on Nov 25, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 24, 2020, 09:08:21 PMIf an alien can secrete goo which turns someone into an egg, maybe a facehugger can moult into a super facehugger when it's away from the hive.Quote from: Billiken on Nov 24, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
I never understood in the directors cut where the queen facehugger came from.
from Studio ADI.
(queen facehugger and queen chestburster are a silly idea, anyway. Hinging their entire reproductive system on specific eggs/chestbursters? It's better if any Alien can become a queen..)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 25, 2020, 05:06:09 PM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 25, 2020, 05:06:09 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Nov 25, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
If an alien can secrete goo which turns someone into an egg, maybe a facehugger can moult into a super facehugger when it's away from the hive.
The drama in Alien 3 hinges on the fact that the Alien is an existential threat to human civilization
and the alien in it spent the whole movie occasionally eating people for a few days
and just waiting for Ripley to "pop open".
Limiting their reproductive capabilities like that felt.. kinda weak...
as far as depicting a believable "existential threat"
(hell, the alien even needs to be deus ex-machina'd out of a trap at one point)
So, at least a few prisoners should've been eggmorphed at some point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 25, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 25, 2020, 07:24:24 PM
I personally like the idea of there being two different types of facehuggers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 26, 2020, 01:48:58 AM
Post by: bb-15 on Nov 26, 2020, 01:48:58 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 24, 2020, 11:04:55 PM
I don't think a proper director's cut would fix anything. Fincher didn't seem fussed in explaining things like where the eggs or hugger came from.
I guess even Fincher would not solve the egg origin issue then.
I would still like to see a proper director's cut though.
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2020, 05:14:23 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2020, 05:14:23 AM
A proper directors cut would have Fincher being involved during the story conception and script writing, and probably end up with something unlike what we got.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 30, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 30, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
Okay guys, so I made time and re-watched the movie. I think that Local Trouble's theory about Bishop makes more sense. Weyland-Yutani had Bishop as a plan-B in case Burke failed. Bishop was programmed to get the egg, but he was also programmed to get it and not even know that he was programmed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 01:45:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 01:45:25 AM
No.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 01:46:27 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 01:46:27 AM
Bishop regurgitates a royal facehugger embryo ala David.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2020, 02:00:22 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2020, 02:00:22 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
I think that Local Trouble's theory about Bishop makes more sense.
My theory. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 30, 2020, 02:10:34 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 30, 2020, 02:10:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2020, 02:00:22 AMQuote from: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
I think that Local Trouble's theory about Bishop makes more sense.
My theory. :laugh:
So you don't think it was Bishop? I apologize for misrepresenting you.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 01:46:27 AM
Bishop regurgitates a royal facehugger embryo ala David.
https://i.ibb.co/z562MTy/descarga.jpg
Bishop could have snatched an embryo from the medical lab.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 02:41:20 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 02:41:20 AM
Also no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 02:56:47 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 02:56:47 AM
Was there an embryo in the medical lab?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 03:00:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 03:00:53 AM
Even if there was, it would be a chest buster, not a hugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 03:23:52 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 03:23:52 AM
Bishop > Eggbarfing > Queen Chestburster
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 03:39:47 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 03:39:47 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 03:00:53 AM
Even if there was, it would be a chest buster, not a hugger.
Ooh! I know! Bishop extracted it when he was dissecting the dead hugger.
I'm sure someone will be along to take this completely seriously shortly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 03:53:34 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 03:53:34 AM
Given the canon has spoken, we need a Consensus Cut immediately! :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
I hate when people blame Bishop for The Egg. With pure flaming hatred
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 07:04:28 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 07:04:28 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
https://pa1.narvii.com/7415/05dc4fab12270ed1b433e7e6dbd25699cb2b779dr1-480-208_00.gif
I hate when people blame Bishop for The Egg. With pure flaming hatred
Would you accept the A:CM answer?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:06:59 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:06:59 AM
I honestly don't remember what that piece of crap says about the matter
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 07:17:44 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 07:17:44 AM
I was about to tell you, but realized that I don't either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:20:16 AM
Post by: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:20:16 AM
:D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 08:35:35 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 08:35:35 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 30, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
https://pa1.narvii.com/7415/05dc4fab12270ed1b433e7e6dbd25699cb2b779dr1-480-208_00.gif
I hate when people blame Bishop for The Egg. With pure flaming hatred
Word.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 07:17:44 AM
I was about to tell you, but realized that I don't either.
Words.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 09:26:42 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 09:26:42 AM
......
It's probably easier to justify Bishop's silly "egg" in Gibson's Alien 3 than the one in the film. :laugh:
(queen's tail was coated in whatever thing is responsible for eggmorphing, that reacted with Bishop's insides.. etc.)
It's probably easier to justify Bishop's silly "egg" in Gibson's Alien 3 than the one in the film. :laugh:
(queen's tail was coated in whatever thing is responsible for eggmorphing, that reacted with Bishop's insides.. etc.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
I honestly thought Gibson's explanation was halfway reasonable.
It was also literally the only one any of the scripts even attempted to give.
It was also literally the only one any of the scripts even attempted to give.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 30, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 30, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Another nonsense theory for you all:
Android Bishop perhaps got infected with a version of the Plagarius Praepotens when impaled by the Alien Queen or before, puking the diluted contents all over Ellen Ripley as they attempted to assist him, getting undressed and likely also washed before sleeping she throws her clothes over a ceiling support to dry, in contact with human organic material it gradually constructs a clutch of new Eggs, most ended up on the ground, one congealed to the nearest surface that being the ceiling.
Android Bishop perhaps got infected with a version of the Plagarius Praepotens when impaled by the Alien Queen or before, puking the diluted contents all over Ellen Ripley as they attempted to assist him, getting undressed and likely also washed before sleeping she throws her clothes over a ceiling support to dry, in contact with human organic material it gradually constructs a clutch of new Eggs, most ended up on the ground, one congealed to the nearest surface that being the ceiling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
:D
i'd just have the actual produced egg in Gibson's script be a lot smaller than it was in the comic
Eggs produced by queens should be the stronger, more viable types..
Resulting facehugger would also be a lot smaller but still.. lethal enough. (when i read the script, i pictured it as being somewhat translucent, like baby spiders).
thankfully, i can just.. use my imagination with the Audible play :laugh:
I'd like to see some actual good designs for the Hybrid, someday. (cof)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2020, 09:27:31 AM
I honestly thought Gibson's explanation was halfway reasonable.
It was also literally the only one any of the scripts even attempted to give.
i'd just have the actual produced egg in Gibson's script be a lot smaller than it was in the comic
Eggs produced by queens should be the stronger, more viable types..
Resulting facehugger would also be a lot smaller but still.. lethal enough. (when i read the script, i pictured it as being somewhat translucent, like baby spiders).
thankfully, i can just.. use my imagination with the Audible play :laugh:
I'd like to see some actual good designs for the Hybrid, someday. (cof)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 30, 2020, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 30, 2020, 09:38:45 AM
You're not going to.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 09:39:30 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 30, 2020, 09:39:30 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 30, 2020, 09:32:04 AM
Another nonsense theory for you all:
Android Bishop perhaps got infected with a version of the Plagarius Praepotens when impaled by the Alien Queen or before, puking the diluted contents all over Ellen Ripley as they attempted to assist him, getting undressed and likely also washed before sleeping she throws her clothes over a ceiling support to dry, in contact with human organic material it gradually constructs a clutch of new Eggs, most ended up on the ground, one congealed to the nearest surface that being the ceiling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 09:50:16 AM
Post by: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 30, 2020, 09:38:45 AM
You're not going to.
just have to commission fan art. :laugh:
(and speaking of fan art, weird how this piece ended up as the cover for the audible thing)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 01:21:53 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 01:21:53 PM
I thought TCF was soft canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 30, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 30, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
Everything's soft canon if you're going by Sir Ridley Scott.
If you're going by Andrew Gaska, Alien The Cold Forge's as hard canon as it gets without being Alien Isolation or one of the Alien films, as it forms much of the Alien The RPG's writing.
If you're going by Andrew Gaska, Alien The Cold Forge's as hard canon as it gets without being Alien Isolation or one of the Alien films, as it forms much of the Alien The RPG's writing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 30, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
Everything's soft canon if you're going by Sir Ridley Scott.
If you're going by Andrew Gaska, Alien The Cold Forge's as hard canon as it gets without being Alien Isolation or one of the Alien films, as it forms much of the Alien The RPG's writing.
got that
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Shugsi on Nov 30, 2020, 11:35:29 PM
Post by: Shugsi on Nov 30, 2020, 11:35:29 PM
Alien 3 adaptation. What on earth is that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2020, 11:42:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2020, 11:42:20 PM
It's the baby queen crawling out of Newt and into Ripley. I don't think it was ever filmed, but it's in the script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 11:43:16 PM
Post by: SM on Nov 30, 2020, 11:43:16 PM
11. then - Newt's twisted, drowned face-- she screams in slow motion under water -- a fetal Queen emerges -
11a. then - Ripley's floating face - the fetal Queen forces her jaws open -- disappears inside ...
11a. then - Ripley's floating face - the fetal Queen forces her jaws open -- disappears inside ...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Shugsi on Nov 30, 2020, 11:46:45 PM
Post by: Shugsi on Nov 30, 2020, 11:46:45 PM
Interesting. Would have brought something new and got around the egg issue?
Edit: I guess this would have killed the idea of Ripley finding out later she has one inside her. A bit too soon to be seen do you think?
Edit: I guess this would have killed the idea of Ripley finding out later she has one inside her. A bit too soon to be seen do you think?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2020, 11:58:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 30, 2020, 11:58:02 PM
Yeah, it would have ruined what little suspense Alien 3 actually had.
Besides, SM said it could only be Hicks.
Besides, SM said it could only be Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 30, 2020, 11:58:36 PM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Nov 30, 2020, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:35:29 PM
Alien 3 adaptation. What on earth is that?
Is that an eyeball I see?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 12:04:05 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 30, 2020, 11:58:36 PMQuote from: S1L on Nov 30, 2020, 11:35:29 PM
Alien 3 adaptation. What on earth is that?
Is that an eyeball I see?
No, an infant version of the queens separate forehead.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Dec 01, 2020, 05:03:42 AM
Post by: razeak on Dec 01, 2020, 05:03:42 AM
lmao. i was looking for a floating eyeball from Hicks. omg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Dec 01, 2020, 05:05:49 AM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Dec 01, 2020, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: razeak on Dec 01, 2020, 05:03:42 AM
lmao. i was looking for a floating eyeball from Hicks. omg.
;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 09:25:51 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 01, 2020, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: razeak on Dec 01, 2020, 05:03:42 AM
lmao. i was looking for a floating eyeball from Hicks. omg.
So was I for the first few moments, ngl.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Shugsi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
Post by: Shugsi on Dec 01, 2020, 10:12:54 AM
We all were lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Dec 01, 2020, 11:57:42 PM
Post by: Gr33n M4n on Dec 01, 2020, 11:57:42 PM
I was referring to the eye on the queen chestburster. Sorry for leading ya'll on a goose chase :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 02, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 02, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
But what about the egg?! ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 02, 2020, 02:35:08 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 02, 2020, 02:35:08 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 02, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
But what about the egg?! ???
Remind us what A:CM said about it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2020, 11:40:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2020, 11:40:45 PM
EXPLAINED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNc4hG_9t5A
I never played it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNc4hG_9t5A
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 02, 2020, 02:35:08 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 02, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
But what about the egg?! ???
Remind us what A:CM said about it.
I never played it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 03:45:05 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 03:45:05 AM
That video does some half decent homework - only to completely f**k up the conclusion.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 04:18:56 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 04:18:56 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 19, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 24, 2020, 09:09:21 PM
SM knows the answer. But he conspired with Local to keep the thread going
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 19, 2020, 05:05:35 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 19, 2020, 05:05:35 PM
There can never be consensus. Consensus is order, and order is unnatural. The entropic state of conflicting theories is the way nature intended this thread to exist.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bb-15 on Dec 19, 2020, 10:03:48 PM
Post by: bb-15 on Dec 19, 2020, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 18, 2020, 11:40:45 PM
EXPLAINED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNc4hG_9t5AQuote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 02, 2020, 02:35:08 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 02, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
But what about the egg?! ???
Remind us what A:CM said about it.
I never played it.
I am all for defending a science-fiction movie that I really care about, by using information from the film, the associated franchise and behavior in our world.
A part of that defense imo needs to include character motivation. What was the character trying to do?
At the end of "Aliens" Bishop goes through the trouble to try to save Newt and Ripley.
Is he just doing this so they could be infected by the facehugger parasite?
If I accept that theory, then the tone at the end of "Aliens" is drastically changed. From triumph to betrayal.
Bishop says that he is not a dangerous android like Ash, meaning, he does not have Ash's evil motivation.
But his goals are very like Ash's if I accept the theory from the video.
I don't.
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
'Cos it's weak as piss. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bb-15 on Dec 19, 2020, 10:11:44 PM
Post by: bb-15 on Dec 19, 2020, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
'Cos it's weak as piss. :)
SM, what do you think of this discussion on the topic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2jk5bz/is_there_a_definite_explanation_how_an_egg_got_on/
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 19, 2020, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
'Cos it's weak as piss. :)
Vermillion supports it though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 20, 2020, 12:07:31 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 20, 2020, 12:07:31 AM
Quote from: bb-15 on Dec 19, 2020, 10:11:44 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
'Cos it's weak as piss. :)
SM, what do you think of this discussion on the topic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2jk5bz/is_there_a_definite_explanation_how_an_egg_got_on/
;)
The shortest answer to the question there is 'No'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: bb-15 on Dec 20, 2020, 06:55:01 AM
Post by: bb-15 on Dec 20, 2020, 06:55:01 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 20, 2020, 12:07:31 AMQuote from: bb-15 on Dec 19, 2020, 10:11:44 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
'Cos it's weak as piss. :)
SM, what do you think of this discussion on the topic?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/2jk5bz/is_there_a_definite_explanation_how_an_egg_got_on/
;)
The shortest answer to the question there is 'No'.
I think you're right.
Considering the info on that site especially what Fincher said about it.
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2020, 08:25:34 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2020, 08:25:34 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 19, 2020, 09:12:57 PM
Where we're going, we won't need eggs to explain
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 23, 2020, 04:26:08 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 23, 2020, 04:26:08 AM
Gotta love this thread.
Spoiler
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 09:06:15 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 09:06:15 AM
Seven?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 23, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 23, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Dec 23, 2020, 04:26:08 AMGotta love this thread.Spoiler
[close]
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 23, 2020, 04:33:06 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 23, 2020, 04:33:06 PM
Heck of a way to go...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 23, 2020, 04:42:19 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Dec 23, 2020, 04:42:19 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 23, 2020, 09:06:15 AM
Seven?
At least is what I googled for. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: RabidNinja on Dec 31, 2020, 03:58:13 PM
Post by: RabidNinja on Dec 31, 2020, 03:58:13 PM
If there is an official/confirmed canon explanation, i'd love to hear it, but right now, i'm going off my own blatherings and head-canon.
So, it's obvious the queen could've, in high likelyhood, snatched one or two eggs on her escape out of the hive and made her way to the the sulaco, had the fight and got blasted out, but had zero chance of sneaking into the cryo bay and spending ample time to hide it, Let alone two eggs without explanation to infect both ripley and the dog/ox, meaning they would've been sucked out with her. Had any xenos stuck on with her, the fight would've gone vastly different.
I'm also inclined to believe that the idea would be that a Royal facehugger has the ability for secreting both a queen embryo and standard worker/warrior embryo; a kickstarter hive for xenos, basically. Hence why we see it dead after infecting the ox.
Regarding the implication of Bishop; His sole purpose, being a WY company android, especially under Burke's orders, were to bring a specimen back; Burke obviously tries his hand at subtlety, trying to infect both newt and ripley in the med-lab. Bishop, having levels of empathy towards humans (Not to mention his behavioural inhibitor), as well as being coded to follow company commands and protocol, wouldn't be able to do such a thing, but has no objections for being indirectly responsible for the impregnation of anyone, all he's doing is stealing an egg....right? He would at least would have the highest likelihood in both finding and secreting away an egg.
The only issue with this is that eggs are easily disturbed and/or have a varying hatch time, not to mention having to go into the hive himself in order to grab one....in front of the still living, still birthing queen and her brood of workers.
This also raises another question; would a xeno egg hatch at the presence of an android which can't support the gestation process? For the sake of my point, let's say no, based on xenomorphs being able to pick up human pheromones, or the fact he came in of his own accord, willingly and unarmed.
The only viable timeframe for this incident, anyway, if Bishop managed to actually do that, is him remote calling and flying the dropship before Ripley and Co meet him, meaning he would have to call down the dropship, fly over to either the atmo plant or the derelict for the egg, go back into orbit, plant it then come back down. All of that, within the alleged 15 minute timeframe he gave to Hicks while they were escaping the control centre through the vents. Another question; Can androids lie?
Back on the point of the facehugger, Bishop grabbing a particular egg, especially anything like a royal egg, would be astronomically lucky. So it comes down to xenomorphs having hivemind and telepathic abilities, with the Facehugger either knowing about the queen's death or destruction of the hive or being conscious enough to know it's nowhere near home (on the sulaco) and began morphing into a Royal for the sake of survival.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2020, 04:37:49 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2020, 04:37:49 PM
It wasn't Bishop.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Dec 31, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
Post by: judge death on Dec 31, 2020, 04:53:16 PM
Bishop even say he cant even allow something that can hurt a human, so alien eggs would fall under that and would make him protest and not pick one with him as he know it will be a danger to humans.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 31, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Dec 31, 2020, 10:14:49 PM
Just cut the egg and everything works fine. It's THE egg that is the problem (duh!).
Anyways, the only theory that somewhat works here is if Bishop did it, but not with the intention to impregnate Ripley & Co. Where did he get the eggs(s) from? Well, maybe he found some after he left the crawlspace tunnel? Maybe the W-Y secret protocol and special programming kicks in and overrides him whenever he's on his own, having him "black out" and "unconsciously" communicating and cooperating with the company?
Maybe hiding the egg(s) from Ripley & Co in the sub-flooring was just temporary as he planned to store them properly once he got back from picking up Ripley & Co before the atmo went boom? Unfortunately he was ripped in half and put on ice and thus couldn't finish what he started (I.E. safely storage the egg(s) in a safe place once Ripley & Co were in cryosleep/hypersleep).
Anyways, the only theory that somewhat works here is if Bishop did it, but not with the intention to impregnate Ripley & Co. Where did he get the eggs(s) from? Well, maybe he found some after he left the crawlspace tunnel? Maybe the W-Y secret protocol and special programming kicks in and overrides him whenever he's on his own, having him "black out" and "unconsciously" communicating and cooperating with the company?
Maybe hiding the egg(s) from Ripley & Co in the sub-flooring was just temporary as he planned to store them properly once he got back from picking up Ripley & Co before the atmo went boom? Unfortunately he was ripped in half and put on ice and thus couldn't finish what he started (I.E. safely storage the egg(s) in a safe place once Ripley & Co were in cryosleep/hypersleep).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 31, 2020, 10:20:59 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 31, 2020, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 31, 2020, 04:37:49 PM
It wasn't Bishop.
It has been decreed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Dec 31, 2020, 11:55:35 PM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 31, 2020, 11:55:35 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 31, 2020, 04:37:49 PM
It wasn't Bishop.
100 % Yes
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 01, 2021, 12:55:23 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 01, 2021, 12:55:23 AM
This is still going 🤣
Queen left an infection, she was, ahem, leaking...
Queen left an infection, she was, ahem, leaking...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 01:09:24 AM
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 01:09:24 AM
favorite silly variation on the egg thing is the one on the eric red script
Surprise! Everyone's dead on the sulaco and there's 3 eggs on the cryosleep chambers. :laugh:
Surprise! Everyone's dead on the sulaco and there's 3 eggs on the cryosleep chambers. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2021, 01:23:00 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2021, 01:23:00 AM
QuoteJust cut the egg and everything works fine. It's THE egg that is the problem (duh!).
Just change the movie and it's fixed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 01, 2021, 04:05:25 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 01, 2021, 04:05:25 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 01:09:24 AM
favorite silly variation on the egg thing is the one on the eric red script
Surprise! Everyone's dead on the sulaco and there's 3 eggs on the cryosleep chambers. :laugh:
We need eggmorphing to reach consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 12:48:47 PM
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 12:48:47 PM
i like eggmorphing.
just laughing at the silly contrived way in which that script got rid of ALL the characters from Aliens. :laugh:
The scary thing about that script is that it's all
based on ideas that Giler/Hill felt would improve on the Gibson drafts. :laugh:
just laughing at the silly contrived way in which that script got rid of ALL the characters from Aliens. :laugh:
The scary thing about that script is that it's all
based on ideas that Giler/Hill felt would improve on the Gibson drafts. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
That was Ward and Fasano.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 02:25:03 PM
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 02:25:03 PM
Another comedic script, that one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 01, 2021, 03:24:40 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jan 01, 2021, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 01, 2021, 01:23:00 AMQuoteJust cut the egg and everything works fine. It's THE egg that is the problem (duh!).
Just change the movie and it's fixed.
A quick fan-edit and et voila!
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 31, 2020, 11:55:35 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 31, 2020, 04:37:49 PM
It wasn't Bishop.
100 % Yes
50% yes, 50% no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 01, 2021, 04:54:02 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 01, 2021, 04:54:02 PM
Bishop couldn't have realistically done it. He had no time to get eggs and fly them up to the Sulaco and Hicks and Ripley got to the landing field when the dropship arrived. It's not like Bishop could sneak an egg on board right in front of Ripley.
It's just a plot hole with no workable solution within the story.
It's just a plot hole with no workable solution within the story.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 10:07:24 PM
Post by: skhellter on Jan 01, 2021, 10:07:24 PM
it doesn't make sense with the context of Aliens. Never will.
But it's not a plot hole "within" Alien3. It's the inciting incident, if you like that film you accept it as a story on its own.. and then move on from inconsistencies with the other films.
It reminds me of Hellraiser 2 which opens by blatantly retconning the whole climax of the first film and seems to exist as its own "alternate world" sequel.
(the house never blows up.. the boyfriend just doesn't exist.. etc.)
But it's not a plot hole "within" Alien3. It's the inciting incident, if you like that film you accept it as a story on its own.. and then move on from inconsistencies with the other films.
It reminds me of Hellraiser 2 which opens by blatantly retconning the whole climax of the first film and seems to exist as its own "alternate world" sequel.
(the house never blows up.. the boyfriend just doesn't exist.. etc.)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jan 27, 2021, 04:14:03 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jan 27, 2021, 04:14:03 PM
CLEAR!!!
(ZAP!)
(ZAP!)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 27, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 27, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
Star Beast 3: Search for Turk
AKA
Star Beast 3: Search for Egg
AKA
Star Beast 3: Search for Egg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2021, 05:48:24 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 27, 2021, 05:48:24 PM
The Alien 3 universe prequel is called "Who kidnapped Turk?"
(https://ibb.co/z2GyNP2)
(https://ibb.co/z2GyNP2)Quote from: Kradan on Jan 27, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
Star Beast 3: Search for Egg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jan 28, 2021, 09:00:32 PM
Post by: razeak on Jan 28, 2021, 09:00:32 PM
There are rumors about what happened to Turk. Dark, scary rumors.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 29, 2021, 11:26:24 PM
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 29, 2021, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 01, 2021, 04:54:02 PM
Bishop couldn't have realistically done it. He had no time to get eggs and fly them up to the Sulaco and Hicks and Ripley got to the landing field when the dropship arrived. It's not like Bishop could sneak an egg on board right in front of Ripley.
It's just a plot hole with no workable solution within the story.
I agree wholeheartedly. There is no workable solution within Aliens. It doesn't even really make sense in Alien 3, either. It was a plot device "Ripley trying to solve the mystery of what happened to her during hypersleep". It just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 30, 2021, 12:42:12 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 30, 2021, 12:42:12 AM
sigh
No shit ? Almost 30 years later and it still doesn't ? My, my, who would've thought ?
No shit ? Almost 30 years later and it still doesn't ? My, my, who would've thought ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 30, 2021, 06:45:05 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 30, 2021, 06:45:05 AM
They even did a whole new version and it didn't fix shit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jan 30, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
Post by: Stitch on Jan 30, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 30, 2021, 06:45:05 AMSecretly that's because they know this thread exists. They're baiting us all.
They even did a whole new version and it didn't fix shit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 30, 2021, 10:30:35 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 30, 2021, 10:30:35 AM
And SM works for them
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
There is no need to look for any explanations. Alien 3 is just a cryo-nightmare. There is no need to erase this film from continuity. Just mark Alien 3 and Resurrection (as the second half of a bad dream) as cry-nightmares and put between Aliens and Alien V.
And... DONE!
And... DONE!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 30, 2021, 08:56:22 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 30, 2021, 08:56:22 PM
Nah.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 09:09:39 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 09:09:39 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
Alien 3 is just a cryo-nightmare. There is no need to erase this film from continuity.
These statements are contradictory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2021, 09:17:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2021, 09:17:39 PM
It would definitely solve the egg problem.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 09:33:45 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 09:09:39 PMQuote from: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
Alien 3 is just a cryo-nightmare. There is no need to erase this film from continuity.
These statements are contradictory.
There is nothing contradictory. A bad dream could be part of the story - nightmare about chestburster from Aliens proves.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2021, 09:35:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2021, 09:35:14 PM
Also, Hicks and Newt could be alive.
People wouldn't have to be upset anymore.
People wouldn't have to be upset anymore.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 09:35:28 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 09:35:28 PM
"It was just a dream" is absolutely removing it from continuity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 09:53:57 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2021, 09:35:14 PM
Also, Hicks and Newt could be alive.
People wouldn't have to be upset anymore.
I just want to see Jonesy and Bishop on the same team. They both synthetics - it would be interesting to see how they interact.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 10:04:31 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 10:04:31 PM
Wut
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on Jan 30, 2021, 10:08:34 PM
Post by: irn on Jan 30, 2021, 10:08:34 PM
We need a sequel to Aliens and prequel to Alien 3 to explain this egg fiasco once and for all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 10:14:10 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 10:14:10 PM
"no"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 30, 2021, 10:29:28 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 30, 2021, 10:29:28 PM
Big milkies
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2021, 10:35:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2021, 10:35:02 PM
People have been musing about ways to undo Alien 3 since 1992. The dream thing has always been near the top of the list.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2021, 11:08:21 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2021, 11:08:21 PM
Spoiler
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 11:11:14 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 30, 2021, 11:11:14 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2021, 11:08:21 PMSpoiler
[close]
It's rumoured that those eyes are the last thing many drifters and teenage runaways ever see...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 30, 2021, 11:15:09 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 30, 2021, 11:15:09 PM
Randy "alleged" Pitchford.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2021, 11:21:15 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2021, 11:21:15 PM
Sounds worse than Requiem's Predalien (may its name be forever cursed).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 31, 2021, 03:16:41 AM
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 31, 2021, 03:16:41 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 30, 2021, 11:21:15 PM
Sounds worse than Requiem's Predalien (may its name be forever cursed).
This
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
There is no need to look for any explanations. Alien 3 is just a cryo-nightmare. There is no need to erase this film from continuity. Just mark Alien 3 and Resurrection (as the second half of a bad dream) as cry-nightmares and put between Aliens and Alien V.
And... DONE!
Again. I'm all for this theory. That's why I wish both of those movies would have been erased out of existence by that Alien 5 movie that was supposed to come out and had gotten cancelled. That would have actually been the true sequel to Aliens. Unfortunately, plans fell through, but as far as I'm concerned, Alien 3 and the rest of the putrid sequels don't exist. Ripley's character arc is over after Aliens. I would have even taken Alien 3 as that script where she was in a coma for the whole movie and it was just Bishop and Hicks. I would have been cool with that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 03:54:47 AM
Post by: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 03:54:47 AM
ISsue with that is those scripts and ideas were hilariously bad, wooden planet in space, aliens with eyes, aliens as cannon fodder, hundreds of power loaders vs hundreds of aliens queen ina massive fight etc.
I think I prefer alien 3s more realistic and dark aproach which made the xenomorphs and space dangerous again and not a family or marine fanservice party movie.
I think I prefer alien 3s more realistic and dark aproach which made the xenomorphs and space dangerous again and not a family or marine fanservice party movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 07:46:05 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 07:46:05 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
There is no need to look for any explanations. Alien 3 is just a cryo-nightmare. There is no need to erase this film from continuity. Just mark Alien 3 and Resurrection (as the second half of a bad dream) as cry-nightmares and put between Aliens and Alien V.
And... DONE!
no
Quote from: irn on Jan 30, 2021, 10:08:34 PM
We need a sequel to Aliens and prequel to Alien 3 to explain this egg fiasco once and for all.
It would be as stupid as explaining "How rebels got the plans?" in Rogue One. Regardless of final product quality such premise seems just as an excuse to make a movie
Quote from: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 03:54:47 AM
I think I prefer alien 3s more realistic and dark aproach which made the xenomorphs and space dangerous again and not a family or marine fanservice party movie.
When will people understand - you don't have to poop on Aliens to praise Alien 3 and vice versa ? I for one enjoy them both and for different reasons
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 31, 2021, 10:31:27 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 31, 2021, 10:31:27 AM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 03:54:47 AM
ISsue with that is those scripts and ideas were hilariously bad, wooden planet in space, aliens with eyes, aliens as cannon fodder, hundreds of power loaders vs hundreds of aliens queen ina massive fight etc.
I think I prefer alien 3s more realistic and dark aproach which made the xenomorphs and space dangerous again and not a family or marine fanservice party movie.
Yeah. I agree. But that doesn't stop Alien 3's toxic fanboys from flaunting their hypocrisy. Alien V, Gibson's epic, other drafts: "fuuuu, it's cheap, unrealistic, stupid, etc. This ignores the style of the first two films! And cool Alien 3 keeps it".
Alien 3: "it's a drama, it's believable, dark and depressing. It's realistic. And it keeps the style of the first two films. ".
There is no reason to argue here - everything is fine.
But...
Yeah, woooooodeeeeeen plaaaneeeet. Enthusiastic, hysterical squeals are immediately heard: "Wow, a wooden planet - it is so cool! This is the best thing after Alien 3. I want to see it immediately! Screw up all other stories - give us wooden planet".
And there are no words about realism, believability or even keeping the style of the first two films. Yeah-yeah. Prometheus, Alien V, Gibson's scripts, even Resurrection - all of this will destroy the precious style of the original
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 31, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 31, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 30, 2021, 08:42:09 PM
There is no need to look for any explanations. Alien 3 is just a cryo-nightmare. There is no need to erase this film from continuity. Just mark Alien 3 and Resurrection (as the second half of a bad dream) as cry-nightmares and put between Aliens and Alien V.
And... DONE!
You certainly have been.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Post by: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Alien 3 isnt a masterpiece either and done damage to the franchise no doubt, just wish they instead went in a new way and done like what is rumored in the tv series and have a new charachter facing the cold world of the alien franchise rather than: we must have ripley and sigourney, cant do movies without her. Very sure if done well you can easily make a successfull movie without her.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 12:56:58 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 12:56:58 PM
Query the "true sequel" to Aliens?
Alien³ obviously.
And as for the "wooden planet" it is a superb idea in my view yes I do actually think so, even if that name for the artificial world's not entirely accurate it's easily able to be a believable part of the universe, Alien The RPG explains it's existence in a single paragraph for example.
Alien³ obviously.
And as for the "wooden planet" it is a superb idea in my view yes I do actually think so, even if that name for the artificial world's not entirely accurate it's easily able to be a believable part of the universe, Alien The RPG explains it's existence in a single paragraph for example.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 31, 2021, 03:22:58 PM
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 31, 2021, 03:22:58 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 31, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
Alien 3 isnt a masterpiece either and done damage to the franchise no doubt, just wish they instead went in a new way and done like what is rumored in the tv series and have a new charachter facing the cold world of the alien franchise rather than: we must have ripley and sigourney, cant do movies without her. Very sure if done well you can easily make a successfull movie without her.
Agreed. Trying to keep Sigourney throughout the entire franchise was ultimately what killed it. Alien 3 should have broken away from the Ripley character. There was nothing left to tell about her. They should have focused on other things at that point.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 04:07:28 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jan 31, 2021, 12:56:58 PM
And as for the "wooden planet" it is a superb idea in my view yes I do actually think so, even if that name for the artificial world's not entirely accurate it's easily able to be a believable part of the universe, Alien The RPG explains it's existence in a single paragraph for example.
So much this. Just give me adaptation of Ward's draft - comic, book, audio-drama, animated cartoon, in any shape of form, I don't care
Btw, you're Trash Queen now ? I like it :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 04:17:13 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jan 31, 2021, 12:56:58 PMAnd as for the "wooden planet" it is a superb idea.
It's an incredibly silly idea that doesn't make a lick of sense.
Add to which, beyond the visually arresting setting and a couple of cool Alien set pieces, that script was pretty pants.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
If you have no imagination to speak of.
If what you picture's literally just a planet made out of wood.
Rather than a man made world evocative of the idea.
If what you picture's literally just a planet made out of wood.
Rather than a man made world evocative of the idea.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 04:40:47 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 04:40:47 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jan 31, 2021, 04:24:36 PMIf what you picture's literally just a planet made out of wood.
Rather than a man made world evocative of the idea.
The script specifically says it's a world made of wood, to the point where they get to the supposed technological core and find it... isn't there.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jan 31, 2021, 04:24:36 PMIf you have no imagination to speak of.
Imagination isn't a factor in understanding logic.
There's a reason the ISS isn't made out of oak.
For a franchise that has such a feel of reality in the first two movies, Ward's setting was incongruously bizarre to say the least.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 04:45:42 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 04:45:42 PM
I never mentioned the script though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 05:04:51 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 05:04:51 PM
I don't care how much sense it makes within universe - I just wanna see it. If they had stuck to the idea instead of secondguessing Ward I'm sure he would've figured the logistics.
Though I must agree - script didn't do the idea justice
Though I must agree - script didn't do the idea justice
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 31, 2021, 05:16:43 PM
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Jan 31, 2021, 05:16:43 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 04:17:13 PMQuote from: Trash Queen on Jan 31, 2021, 12:56:58 PMAnd as for the "wooden planet" it is a superb idea.
It's an incredibly silly idea that doesn't make a lick of sense.
Add to which, beyond the visually arresting setting and a couple of cool Alien set pieces, that script was pretty pants.
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 05:20:24 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 05:20:24 PM
Again I never mentioned the script itself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 09:42:17 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 09:42:17 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 04:40:47 PM
For a franchise that has such a feel of reality in the first two movies, Ward's setting was incongruously bizarre to say the least.
Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 09:50:16 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 09:50:16 PM
I don't think it's right for the finale to the Alien Trilogy but I do think it's an idea worth developing in it's own right elsewhere.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 09:57:05 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 31, 2021, 09:57:05 PM
Interestingly enough, ending of Ward's draft doesn't imply solid finale of the story 'cause Ripley is still alive and there's fate of Earth left unsolved
Not in the world where Covenant exists
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 09:42:17 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 04:40:47 PM
For a franchise that has such a feel of reality in the first two movies, Ward's setting was incongruously bizarre to say the least.
Yes.
Not in the world where Covenant exists
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 10:00:29 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 10:00:29 PM
Covenant still feels far more believable than a bunch of monks flying through space on a wooden ball.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 10:01:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 10:01:44 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
Not a fan of space stations?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 31, 2021, 10:33:01 PM
Post by: Drukathi on Jan 31, 2021, 10:33:01 PM
Every idea will find its fans in any case. How about a colony built of toilet paper? Or even better - who needs a wooden planet? How about a planet-sized space tree? And let's call it Yggdrasil! Perhaps the engineers are just space elves who live on this tree. The Black Goo - the sap of the tree. Aliens are just ants. It is possible that the tachyon vibrations of the tree can grow alien eggs in random places. That would perfectly explain the egg on Sulaco. Because we have already gone off topic.
P.S. On serious note - how about a colony where people live in hobbit-holes like hobbits?
P.S. On serious note - how about a colony where people live in hobbit-holes like hobbits?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 10:34:25 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: Drukathi on Jan 31, 2021, 10:33:01 PM
Perhaps the engineers are just space elves who live on this tree. The Black Goo - the sap of the tree.
You were trying to be stupid but this is some dank shit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 10:40:10 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 10:40:10 PM
So the Engineers are Eldar?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 31, 2021, 10:43:30 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 31, 2021, 10:43:30 PM
Xenoelves, hive tree, dank shit?! Yuk! I definitely don't like where this is headed...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 10:44:24 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 10:44:24 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 10:40:10 PM
So the Engineers are Eldar?
Nah, Engies are cooler than Eldar.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 31, 2021, 10:45:53 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 31, 2021, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 10:44:24 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2021, 10:40:10 PM
So the Engineers are Eldar?
Nah, Engies are cooler than Eldar.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 10:48:03 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 10:48:03 PM
Dark Eldar is cheating, but yeah, still cooler.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 11:00:15 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 31, 2021, 11:00:15 PM
Dank? Sign me up.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 11:17:58 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jan 31, 2021, 11:17:58 PM
Hehehe Dank Eldar. Like the Drukhari but with snapbacks and yolo bling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 01, 2021, 12:41:47 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 01, 2021, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 31, 2021, 10:00:29 PM
Covenant still feels far more believable than a bunch of monks flying through space on a wooden ball.
Indeed! there seems to be a lot of serious scientific shit in Alien Covenant, and that my friend is pure...
Riddles Magic ✨Let me introduce you to Lycoperdon Perlatum, a mushroom which is only edible while the meat is white (which is when it is young), But when the fungus is old it can no longer be eaten, its flesh turns brown and when pressed it releases spores as part of its life cycle.
And when I think of the dead Engineers at the plaza, I can't help but think of the spider-eating zombie fungus, such as Engyodontium Aranearum or Torrubiela Pulvinata.
That ghostly spider carcass are millions of spores that the fungus produces on the arachnid corpse. Those spores travel by wind, water, or are carried by other arthopods. When they come into physical contact with potential new prey, the spores become activated. This implies that they germinate and penetrate inside the arachnid, if they manage to overcome the immune system of the spider they begin to produce enzymes and toxins, literally "they eat it inside". Once the spider dies, the fungus emerges from the corpse, produces new spores and thus continues its cycle.
That said...
What if the black goo worked that way when the pathogen killed the Engineers?
Edit: I still dig the Wooden Planet idea. Also, wooden space Devices is not fantasy. Ok, maybe not at the level of an inhabited space station, but it could even have its benefits.
Quote from: via BBCWooden satellites would burn up without releasing harmful substances into the atmosphere or raining debris on the ground when they plunge back to Earth.
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1343811796201844737
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 01, 2021, 12:59:35 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 01, 2021, 12:59:35 AM
QuoteInterestingly enough, ending of Ward's draft doesn't imply solid finale of the story 'cause Ripley is still alive and there's fate of Earth left unsolved
Until they did a draft where Ripley isn't still alive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2021, 03:42:25 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2021, 03:42:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 31, 2018, 10:54:00 AM
Honestly, Arceon would have made more sense had it started out as the brainchild of some crazy and rich benefactor who found Jesus and wanted to give his church and its followers a new life far away from decadent Earth and its vile corporatist society.
Essentially, The Village in space.
Now, let's get SiL to direct this bitch.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 01, 2018, 06:31:17 AM
I was thinking that Eccentric Rich Dude would be long dead for Arceon to be in such a sad state of disrepair, but it's not my movie.
Either way, I still picture Brian Glover being more or less in charge of the place.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 01, 2021, 04:03:50 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 01, 2021, 04:03:50 AM
Might work.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2021, 04:42:22 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2021, 04:42:22 AM
The SM of 2018 thought so too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Feb 01, 2021, 08:06:55 AM
Post by: windebieste on Feb 01, 2021, 08:06:55 AM
You want space trees.
OK. We can do that. ;D
You got space trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Integral_Trees
-Windebieste.
OK. We can do that. ;D
You got space trees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Integral_Trees
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 04:30:09 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 04:30:09 PM
We can and will.
Was there an Alien onboard?
Yes.
Was there an Alien onboard?
Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Feb 01, 2021, 08:42:53 PM
Post by: Stitch on Feb 01, 2021, 08:42:53 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 01, 2021, 04:30:09 PMIt was with us all the way. Or was it?
We can and will.
Was there an Alien onboard?
Yes.
I just had a thought. What if the Sulaco was sabotaged? Somewhere between Aliens and Alien 3,
David. David happened! He made a mini egg and decided to test it in the Sulaco.
Which he found.
Somehow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 08:47:03 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 08:47:03 PM
It was with us all the way.
"It."
A lone adult Drone/Warrior came with the Queen carrying an Egg deep into the ship looking for a host.
Maybe? lol
"It."
A lone adult Drone/Warrior came with the Queen carrying an Egg deep into the ship looking for a host.
Maybe? lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Feb 01, 2021, 08:55:08 PM
Post by: judge death on Feb 01, 2021, 08:55:08 PM
I stick to my theory that makes it work in my head:
The queen while inside the dropship, produced an emergency egg embryo that she attached to the inside of the drop ship on the roof, where it would grow to mature size, taking way longer than a normal egg that is grown in her eggsack, unlike normal egg that takes ca 3 hours to produce, this took days.
Hence why its updside down and smaller etc.
In the theatrical cut it produced two facehuggers, one with a queen and one with a drone to protect said queen.(aliens exctinction game have this feature too).
In the assembly cut: it produced a super facehugger that laid a queen in ripley and then a drone in the ox/dog.
The queen while inside the dropship, produced an emergency egg embryo that she attached to the inside of the drop ship on the roof, where it would grow to mature size, taking way longer than a normal egg that is grown in her eggsack, unlike normal egg that takes ca 3 hours to produce, this took days.
Hence why its updside down and smaller etc.
In the theatrical cut it produced two facehuggers, one with a queen and one with a drone to protect said queen.(aliens exctinction game have this feature too).
In the assembly cut: it produced a super facehugger that laid a queen in ripley and then a drone in the ox/dog.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 09:06:45 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 01, 2021, 09:06:45 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 01, 2021, 11:53:58 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 01, 2021, 11:53:58 PM
I bet the infamous egg is bigger inside than outside.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 02, 2021, 02:00:23 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 02, 2021, 02:00:23 AM
Perhaps a bigger game was at play
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 02, 2021, 03:15:15 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 02, 2021, 03:15:15 AM
Is he a David embryo?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 02, 2021, 06:07:09 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 02, 2021, 06:07:09 PM
I guess we'll find out in the next movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 03, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
Have we reached consensus yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 11:25:38 AM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 11:25:38 AM
We need to agree to disagree
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 04, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
Yes it has been solved!, after constantly emailing them and trying to contact them in various sites, I finally got a response from Fox at PhakeNuews.The egg thing was a dream sequence, facehuggers had been carried by the Queen and went into the cryochamber after everyone went into hypersleep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 12:35:55 PM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 04, 2021, 12:35:55 PM
I've seen it on WiGatDizKavered
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
Don't say that, Hicks will have a stroke :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: EJA on Feb 06, 2021, 05:20:54 PM
Post by: EJA on Feb 06, 2021, 05:20:54 PM
Funny how all the scripts for the third movie seem to have other Aliens following the Queen onto the Sulaco, despite the Queen being alone at the end of Aliens.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2021, 07:53:42 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2021, 07:53:42 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say it was Giler and Hill who told each writer that the story had to begin with the Sulaco during its return voyage. Otherwise, we may have gotten an Alien 3 that took place long after all the survivors from Aliens made it safely back to Earth.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Feb 06, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 06, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Twohy's didn't, did it? It doesn't start with the Sulaco. Or is it a later reveal?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2021, 11:33:15 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 06, 2021, 11:33:15 PM
I don't even remember reading that one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 06, 2021, 11:39:06 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 06, 2021, 11:39:06 PM
Couldn't say if it does or not. Been awhile since I read that one. But I did dig it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 12:01:54 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 12:01:54 AM
Having glanced at it again, yeah, it seems to be something of an outlier. The premise also seems very similar to what I theorized the company intended to do if they'd secured Ripley's queen by then using the prison on Fiorina as their off-world breeding ground.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 06:36:45 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 06:36:45 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 06, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Twohy's didn't, did it? It doesn't start with the Sulaco. Or is it a later reveal?
It didn't. It started with a mining ship in a meteoroid swarm. Don't think the Sulaco rates a mention.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 06:41:09 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 06:41:09 AM
Yeah, I didn't see it either. Closest thing to it was a computer file showing Ripley's mug with "deceased" under it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 07, 2021, 11:40:59 AM
Gibson's first draft has a bunch of magic Aliens on the Sulaco, although he fixed it in his second draft.
Red's has a bunch of magic Aliens on the Sulaco, although it's arguably a dream sequence (but given how batshit nonsensical the rest of that script is I wouldn't like to say for certain).
Twohy's doesn't feature the Sulaco at all.
Ward's has a bunch of magic Aliens on the Sulaco, although it's only mentioned in dialogue.
We should be glad all we got was an egg.
Red's has a bunch of magic Aliens on the Sulaco, although it's arguably a dream sequence (but given how batshit nonsensical the rest of that script is I wouldn't like to say for certain).
Twohy's doesn't feature the Sulaco at all.
Ward's has a bunch of magic Aliens on the Sulaco, although it's only mentioned in dialogue.
We should be glad all we got was an egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: khas on Feb 07, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Post by: khas on Feb 07, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: judge death on Feb 01, 2021, 08:55:08 PM
I stick to my theory that makes it work in my head:
The queen while inside the dropship, produced an emergency egg embryo that she attached to the inside of the drop ship on the roof, where it would grow to mature size, taking way longer than a normal egg that is grown in her eggsack, unlike normal egg that takes ca 3 hours to produce, this took days.
Hence why its updside down and smaller etc.
In the theatrical cut it produced two facehuggers, one with a queen and one with a drone to protect said queen.(aliens exctinction game have this feature too).
In the assembly cut: it produced a super facehugger that laid a queen in ripley and then a drone in the ox/dog.
I buy you the argument. In William Gibson's script, the egg in Bishop's gut was also formed from genetic material from when the queen broke it in two with her tail, so it is possible that it matured for days or weeks until I form at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 05:40:58 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 07, 2021, 05:40:58 PM
Twohy's script would have worked much better as an Alien 4, and it would have required very little modification.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 07, 2021, 05:43:22 PM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 07, 2021, 05:43:22 PM
I believe he still got to use some of it for Chronicles of Riddick.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 08, 2021, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 08, 2021, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 06:36:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Feb 06, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Twohy's didn't, did it? It doesn't start with the Sulaco. Or is it a later reveal?
It didn't. It started with a mining ship in a meteoroid swarm. Don't think the Sulaco rates a mention.
They came across a fossilized facehugger if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Feb 08, 2021, 08:18:28 PM
Post by: Pvt_Frost on Feb 08, 2021, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 08, 2021, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 06:36:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Feb 06, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Twohy's didn't, did it? It doesn't start with the Sulaco. Or is it a later reveal?
It didn't. It started with a mining ship in a meteoroid swarm. Don't think the Sulaco rates a mention.
They came across a fossilized facehugger if I remember rightly.
Thanks for the clarification, Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2021, 06:17:24 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2021, 06:17:24 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 08, 2021, 11:40:00 AMQuote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 06:36:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Feb 06, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Twohy's didn't, did it? It doesn't start with the Sulaco. Or is it a later reveal?
It didn't. It started with a mining ship in a meteoroid swarm. Don't think the Sulaco rates a mention.
They came across a fossilized facehugger if I remember rightly.
An excellent idea that would have worked even better in Alien 4 as a far more logical alternative to cloning Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Feb 11, 2021, 06:42:02 AM
Post by: SM on Feb 11, 2021, 06:42:02 AM
Turns out it wasn't fossilised and was just a spider shaped suit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 11, 2021, 07:48:07 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 11, 2021, 07:48:07 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Feb 11, 2021, 11:15:04 AM
Post by: Stitch on Feb 11, 2021, 11:15:04 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 08, 2021, 11:40:00 AMWait, was it fossilised or about twenty years old? I can never tell with this series...Quote from: SM on Feb 07, 2021, 06:36:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Feb 06, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
Twohy's didn't, did it? It doesn't start with the Sulaco. Or is it a later reveal?
It didn't. It started with a mining ship in a meteoroid swarm. Don't think the Sulaco rates a mention.
They came across a fossilized facehugger if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 11, 2021, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 11, 2021, 11:28:24 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2021, 12:47:27 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 11, 2021, 12:47:27 PM
Even if this was retconned as something from last thursday, in art these kinds of things are presented to you as fossils to indicate you that it is Old.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 11, 2021, 02:25:13 PM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 11, 2021, 02:25:13 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 11, 2021, 07:48:07 AM
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/897/718/c5f.gif
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 11, 2021, 11:28:24 AM
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/897/718/c5f.gif
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 11, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2021, 06:42:02 AM
Turns out it wasn't fossilised and was just a spider shaped suit.
I think it'd work better shortly after the events of Alien 3. A company survey team could stumble across it while inspecting Fury prior to its sale, followed by a time jump to satisfy the strict requirement of honoring Ripley's sacrifice.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2021, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2021, 06:42:02 AM
Turns out it wasn't fossilised and was just a spider shaped suit.
Zing!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 11, 2021, 07:48:07 AM
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/897/718/c5f.gif
And stealing that one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 16, 2021, 09:59:03 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 16, 2021, 09:59:03 PM
The show is Danger 5, if anyone is wondering. It's also where this is from:
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2021, 10:19:43 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2021, 10:19:43 PM
Speaking of Hitler, I still think Kevin Spacey should grow a little mustache and make his triumphant comeback playing the role he was born for.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 16, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 16, 2021, 10:59:20 PM
Although I'm a huge Spacey fan, I fail to see how he would manage to not end up sounding like Schwarzenegger on crack.
Besides I find Ganz' (RIP) portrayal quite unsurpassable at this point anyway.
Besides I find Ganz' (RIP) portrayal quite unsurpassable at this point anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2021, 11:22:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 16, 2021, 11:22:32 PM
I defer to your expertise on all things Deutsche.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 16, 2021, 11:59:52 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 16, 2021, 11:59:52 PM
I'd also be able and willing to give one or two harmless advice on how to reach consensus in a deadlocked situation!
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 12:04:24 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 12:04:24 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Feb 16, 2021, 11:59:52 PM
I'd also be able and willing to give one or two harmless advice on how to reach consensus in a deadlocked situation!Spoiler
[close]
Nobody can break the consensus if you kill them all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 17, 2021, 12:17:55 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Feb 17, 2021, 12:17:55 AM
It's what we do: Building better Worlds!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 05:24:58 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 05:24:58 PM
I went to the grocery store for a bunch of snacks; gummy bears, marshmallows, cookies, chips, and butter popcorn ~ cuz I need to be fully prepared for the imminent yet unnecessary 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 05:26:56 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 05:26:56 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 05:24:58 PM
https://s2.gifyu.com/images/202d7a68-0d03-4f8a-b8a2-4e99e6d49fac.gif
I hate this thank you for the pain.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 05:42:57 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 05:42:57 PM
I'm happy to help :)
I just wanted to trigger Alien Theory. I know he must be there; somewhere, but I am not sure.
I just wanted to trigger Alien Theory. I know he must be there; somewhere, but I am not sure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 07:05:55 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 17, 2021, 07:05:55 PM
Why would it trigger Alien Theory???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Feb 17, 2021, 07:09:33 PM
Post by: Kradan on Feb 17, 2021, 07:09:33 PM
"EXPLAINED" ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
I don't think giving him free ideas will upset him, somehow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 10:10:15 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 17, 2021, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 17, 2021, 07:05:55 PM
Why would it trigger Alien Theory???
I have not idea. Guess I just want the world to see who he really is. Having said that, I have no doubt this boy is the CEO of We Got This Covered 👀
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 17, 2021, 07:09:33 PM
"EXPLAINED" ?
AT comes from an alternate reality where the word "explain" means steal content to use as your own ~
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 17, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
I don't think giving him free ideas will upset him, somehow.
I must confess that I am not very good at this.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2021, 11:39:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2021, 11:39:30 PM
AT should plunder the old GameGossip forum for ideas.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 18, 2021, 12:07:22 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 18, 2021, 12:07:22 AM
I'm surprised you haven't restarted some of those threads yet. :laugh:
Who am I kidding, we're still talking about the same topics I'm sure.
Who am I kidding, we're still talking about the same topics I'm sure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 18, 2021, 12:13:42 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 18, 2021, 12:13:42 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 18, 2021, 12:07:22 AM
I'm surprised you haven't restarted some of those threads yet. :laugh:
I was under the impression that such a thing would be unwelcome here.
Spoiler
Which usually doesn't stop me, but even I have my limits.
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 18, 2021, 12:19:15 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Feb 18, 2021, 12:19:15 AM
I did sense an intense opposition to bringing up that material from the past but I couldn't say why. It was a long time ago and I wasn't one of the major players there either. Pretty low key like I am here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2021, 12:22:23 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2021, 12:22:23 AM
the past is a foreign country that I'm looking forward to visiting.
He is the chosen one. He will bring consensus.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2021, 11:39:30 PM
AT should plunder the old GameGossip forum for ideas.
He is the chosen one. He will bring consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Feb 18, 2021, 12:27:26 AM
Post by: Huggs on Feb 18, 2021, 12:27:26 AM
Dig nothing up unless it's nuclear. Like pizza toppings and gender roles.
Let the fur fly.
Let the fur fly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 18, 2021, 12:42:34 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 18, 2021, 12:42:34 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 18, 2021, 12:27:26 AM
Dig nothing up unless it's nuclear. Like pizza toppings and gender roles.
Let the fur fly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 03, 2021, 01:36:55 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 03, 2021, 01:36:55 AM
The way things are goin' I wouldn't be surprised if it was a predator ship that attacked the sulaco and brought the eggs with them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 01:42:01 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 01:42:01 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 12:42:34 AMQuote from: Huggs on Feb 18, 2021, 12:27:26 AM
Dig nothing up unless it's nuclear. Like pizza toppings and gender roles.
Let the fur fly.
Where tf is Omega?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 03, 2021, 01:49:35 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 03, 2021, 01:49:35 AM
The spirit world man.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 03, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 03, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 03, 2021, 01:42:01 AMnyaaaaa I'm hereQuote from: Trash Queen on Feb 18, 2021, 12:42:34 AMQuote from: Huggs on Feb 18, 2021, 12:27:26 AM
Dig nothing up unless it's nuclear. Like pizza toppings and gender roles.
Let the fur fly.
Where tf is Omega?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Mar 05, 2021, 12:59:53 AM
Post by: razeak on Mar 05, 2021, 12:59:53 AM
I second predators planted the eggs just to be dicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 05, 2021, 01:06:26 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 05, 2021, 01:06:26 AM
Quote from: razeak on Mar 05, 2021, 12:59:53 AM
I second predators planted the eggs just to be dicks.
It was all part of project mayhem.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 05, 2021, 01:20:39 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 05, 2021, 01:20:39 AM
The Capitol was probably too well guarded.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 04:19:58 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 04:19:58 AM
Maybe they planted it! Dastardly!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 05, 2021, 04:33:08 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 05, 2021, 04:33:08 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 05, 2021, 04:19:58 AM
Awww Shinji's happy. Rei a handbag --
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 05, 2021, 04:35:34 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 05, 2021, 04:35:34 AM
I know femboys and crossdressers who look more feminine than women and women who look somewhat andregenous hahaah :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 05, 2021, 09:13:03 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 05, 2021, 09:13:03 AM
I dunno what filters she's used but she mostly looks like a plastic doll.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 05, 2021, 10:06:51 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 05, 2021, 10:06:51 AM
I find more odd when a TW make fun in femboys. I mean, a TW was not always a woman.
I will not continue to derail the thread. I'm just expressing my last opinion on it.
I will not continue to derail the thread. I'm just expressing my last opinion on it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 02:40:28 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 02:40:28 PM
What a thing to say with no provocation. I have never known that to be the case. And on that last part it depends on your perspective.
I will derail though, not like this thread's worth a damn anyway.
I will derail though, not like this thread's worth a damn anyway.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 03:28:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 03:28:01 PM
What just happened? ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 03:40:59 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 03:40:59 PM
https://www.sulaco.cz/uss_sulaco.html
https://www.sulaco.cz/uss_sulaco_3.html
Just reminding people of this good stuff here.
https://www.sulaco.cz/uss_sulaco_3.html
Just reminding people of this good stuff here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 03:47:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 03:47:08 PM
The placement of the EEVs isn't what I would have expected.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 03:58:08 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 03:58:08 PM
What did you expect?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 05:51:17 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 05:51:17 PM
Something closer to the bottom of the ship since the cryotubes were shown sliding downward into the EEV.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Weyland yutani brazilian on Mar 05, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Post by: Weyland yutani brazilian on Mar 05, 2021, 09:19:12 PM
Absolutely was the queen
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 05, 2021, 09:23:02 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 05, 2021, 09:23:02 PM
Was it though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 05, 2021, 10:43:15 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 05, 2021, 10:43:15 PM
Maybe Turk who was supposed to be Hicks' corpse in Alien 3, wasn't after all.
He was kidnapped by the Queen for Eggmorphing purposes.
Who was in Hicks' cryotube? we will never know.
He was kidnapped by the Queen for Eggmorphing purposes.
Who was in Hicks' cryotube? we will never know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 10:59:16 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 05, 2021, 10:59:16 PM
Hicks
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 11:01:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 11:01:26 PM
But that upsets people.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 05, 2021, 11:34:53 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 05, 2021, 11:34:53 PM
Even better.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 06, 2021, 12:03:58 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 06, 2021, 12:03:58 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 05, 2021, 11:01:26 PM
But that upsets people.
Had to be done.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 06, 2021, 03:12:08 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 06, 2021, 03:12:08 PM
Upset more people I say!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 12:14:56 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 12:14:56 AM
There are so many ways to upset people:
1~ Make David the Space Jockey.
2 ~ Retcon Alien 3.
3 ~ Make AVP Requiem canon.
4~ Making Predator movies with a female lead.
5~ Tracing in Alien / Predator comics.
6~ Make Alien Theory creative consultant.
7~ etc.
1~ Make David the Space Jockey.
2 ~ Retcon Alien 3.
3 ~ Make AVP Requiem canon.
4~ Making Predator movies with a female lead.
5~ Tracing in Alien / Predator comics.
6~ Make Alien Theory creative consultant.
7~ etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 12:37:40 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 12:37:40 AM
Tbf, one of those is objectively shitty and worth being upset about.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 12:40:42 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 12:40:42 AM
I'm upset by the number 5 and it would definitely upset me the 1, 3 and 6.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2021, 12:48:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 07, 2021, 12:48:45 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 07, 2021, 12:37:40 AM
Tbf, one of those is objectively shitty and worth being upset about.
I agree. #1 would trigger me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Mar 07, 2021, 01:16:52 AM
Post by: Huggs on Mar 07, 2021, 01:16:52 AM
Making crap movies like The Predator is the worst thing they could do. A good movie is a good movie, no matter who's in it or who made it. But crap will always be crap.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 01:53:20 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 07, 2021, 01:53:20 AM
Your a right! You're so right!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 07, 2021, 02:27:19 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 07, 2021, 02:27:19 AM
So much
Spoiler
consensus
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 07, 2021, 07:36:43 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 07, 2021, 07:36:43 AM
You've jinxed it now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 08:29:11 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 08:29:11 PM
BOOM!
It's alive again.
It's alive again.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 03, 2021, 08:59:25 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 03, 2021, 08:59:25 PM
Did Ripley nuke the derelict or what?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 04, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 04, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
Theory: The Easter bunny left the egg on the sulaco... 🐰🥚
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 04, 2021, 05:15:05 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 04, 2021, 05:15:05 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Apr 04, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
Theory: The Easter bunny left the egg on the sulaco... 🐰🥚
About as likely as any of the other theories tbf...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 04, 2021, 05:16:11 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 04, 2021, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Apr 04, 2021, 05:07:53 PM
Theory: The Easter bunny left the egg on the sulaco... 🐰🥚
Possibly more coherent than what we got.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 04, 2021, 06:28:02 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 04, 2021, 06:28:02 PM
Ain't no damn Easter Bunny in space man.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 04, 2021, 08:30:37 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 04, 2021, 08:30:37 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 08:29:11 PM
BOOM!
It's alive again.
This thread is like the mentally defective internet version of Jesus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Apr 05, 2021, 12:01:45 AM
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Apr 05, 2021, 12:01:45 AM
"the" ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2021, 12:25:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2021, 12:25:45 AM
Quote from: TNF on Apr 05, 2021, 12:01:45 AM
"the" ???
Go on...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 01:30:15 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 01:30:15 AM
This thread is the life blood of the entire community.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Apr 05, 2021, 11:15:02 AM
Post by: Stitch on Apr 05, 2021, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 01:30:15 AMYou know it!
This thread is the life blood of the entire community.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 05, 2021, 03:37:12 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 05, 2021, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Apr 05, 2021, 01:30:15 AM
This thread is the life blood of the entire community.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 13, 2021, 10:20:05 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Apr 13, 2021, 10:20:05 AM
oh, wtf?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/mk3a9g/how_did_the_facehugger_get_aboard_the_sulaco_in/
tl;dr
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/mk3a9g/how_did_the_facehugger_get_aboard_the_sulaco_in/
tl;dr
Spoiler
Nobody give a shit. Deal with it.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 13, 2021, 10:42:48 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 13, 2021, 10:42:48 AM
Although it is grand he replied we already know this.
We know when the "Alien Archive" (fan website now defunct) bought the shooting script it only references Facehugger(s), no Egg(s), and that what we got's an after the fact studio mandated insert.
We know when the "Alien Archive" (fan website now defunct) bought the shooting script it only references Facehugger(s), no Egg(s), and that what we got's an after the fact studio mandated insert.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 16, 2021, 08:53:51 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 16, 2021, 08:53:51 AM
That's been known forever. The eggs were always part of the reshoot. Hell, even the facehugger was a late addition in the scripting phase.
What was interesting is that AA had the call sheets, showing multiple eggs were called for, not one.
What was interesting is that AA had the call sheets, showing multiple eggs were called for, not one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 16, 2021, 02:28:28 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 16, 2021, 02:28:28 PM
Makes you wish for a proper Making Of book on the thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 17, 2021, 07:35:16 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 17, 2021, 07:35:16 AM
Really gutted they didn't let Rinzler loose on it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 17, 2021, 03:36:29 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 17, 2021, 03:36:29 PM
So many years attempting consensus on the egg... But can we at least all agree that Bishop II was a Nexus model Replicant? 😏
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 17, 2021, 03:55:52 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 17, 2021, 03:55:52 PM
In the main Alien continuity he's Michael Bishop, a scientist following in the footsteps of Peter Weyland like many others before him, so human as indicated by the Weyland Yutani Report even passing away from surgical complications later in life.
He's an android in the AVP and AVP Requiem and AVP 2010 continuity though, called Michael Bishop Weyland, successor to Charles Bishop Weyland and the predecessor to Karl Bishop Weyland. All apparently carrying copies of the original conciousness from the original human, that died in Antarctica in 2004, according to Audio Logs in AVP and implied in the ending of the campaign.
He's an android in the AVP and AVP Requiem and AVP 2010 continuity though, called Michael Bishop Weyland, successor to Charles Bishop Weyland and the predecessor to Karl Bishop Weyland. All apparently carrying copies of the original conciousness from the original human, that died in Antarctica in 2004, according to Audio Logs in AVP and implied in the ending of the campaign.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Apr 18, 2021, 06:50:12 AM
Post by: Stitch on Apr 18, 2021, 06:50:12 AM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Apr 17, 2021, 03:36:29 PM
So many years attempting consensus on the egg... But can we at least all agree that Bishop II was a Nexus model Replicant? 😏
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 17, 2021, 03:55:52 PMIf even the primary sources are in disagreement, I'm guessing that's a no.
In the main Alien continuity he's Michael Bishop, a scientist following in the footsteps of Peter Weyland like many others before him, so human as indicated by the Weyland Yutani Report even passing away from surgical complications later in life.
He's an android in the AVP and AVP Requiem and AVP 2010 continuity though, called Michael Bishop Weyland, successor to Charles Bishop Weyland and the predecessor to Karl Bishop Weyland. All apparently carrying copies of the original conciousness from the original human, that died in Antarctica in 2004, according to Audio Logs in AVP and implied in the ending of the campaign.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 18, 2021, 11:03:01 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 18, 2021, 11:03:01 AM
The primary source says he's human.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 18, 2021, 02:42:05 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 18, 2021, 02:42:05 PM
Yeah it is rather simple honestly.
The primary continuity that's still being used says he's human.
The other one's it's own self contained thing.
The primary continuity that's still being used says he's human.
The other one's it's own self contained thing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:35:31 PM
Post by: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:35:31 PM
*sniff sniff*
Consensus ?
Consensus ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Apr 18, 2021, 10:54:37 PM
Post by: Huggs on Apr 18, 2021, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 18, 2021, 03:35:31 PM
*sniff sniff*
Consensus ?
Sorry, that was me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Apr 20, 2021, 01:47:14 PM
Post by: Stitch on Apr 20, 2021, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 18, 2021, 11:03:01 AMThe character states that he is, but he is a representative of a company we as an audience are supposed to distrust, which leads to doubt that he is a human. This series is good at implying things but leaving just enough ambiguity to cause canon wars.
The primary source says he's human.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 18, 2021, 02:42:05 PMWhether or not a line of continuity is currently classed as canon or not, surely doesn't relate to whether or not Bishop II is a replicant?
Yeah it is rather simple honestly.
The primary continuity that's still being used says he's human.
The other one's it's own self contained thing.
I guess, though, if Bishop II is a replicant, then he could have put the egg on the Sulaco...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 20, 2021, 02:12:46 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 20, 2021, 02:12:46 PM
I think I know what might explain the Egg's placement, we have actually seen them in places like that before, on walls:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 20, 2021, 02:20:17 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 20, 2021, 02:20:17 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Apr 20, 2021, 01:47:14 PMQuote from: SM on Apr 18, 2021, 11:03:01 AMThe character states that he is, but he is a representative of a company we as an audience are supposed to distrust, which leads to doubt that he is a human. This series is good at implying things but leaving just enough ambiguity to cause canon wars.
The primary source says he's human.
He's still human tho
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 21, 2021, 02:11:09 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 21, 2021, 02:11:09 AM
Lol.. My comment was in total jest, I didn't expect anyone to go into it haha (I'm aware of the official Canon) 😅 but since it is now being discussed I'm gonna roll with it - Bishop 2 is standing there with half the side of his head/ear hanging off talking to Ripley.. He clearly feels the pain from his reactions, but an injury like that you would expect a regular human to be incapacitated.. There are plenty of fun Easter eggs connecting the Alien and Blade Runner universes.. There no reason he couldn't be a replicant...Weyland felt androids were the way forward rather than what Tyrell was manufacturing, but Wallace Corp replicants from the 2030s onwards were back in mainstream workforces on all the off-world colonies.. "No.. I'm not the Bishop android. I designed it.. I'm VERY human"... Nexus: More human than human 😁
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Apr 21, 2021, 03:10:23 AM
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Apr 21, 2021, 03:10:23 AM
A Nexus sans red-eye effect? :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2021, 03:57:44 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2021, 03:57:44 AM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Apr 21, 2021, 02:11:09 AM
Bishop 2 is literally standing there with half the side of his head/ear hanging off talking to Ripley..
"Literally"? No.
Quote from: Its_Auto on Apr 21, 2021, 02:11:09 AM
He clearly feels the pain from his reactions, but an injury like that you would expect a regular human to be incapacitated..
Also no.
Unless of course this post was also "in total jest".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Apr 21, 2021, 02:11:09 AMBishop 2 is literally standing there with half the side of his head/ear hanging off talking to Ripley. He clearly feels the pain from his reactions, but an injury like that you would expect a regular human to be incapacitated.
There's a ton of over-the-top gore in that film, like when Jude, to use your parlance, literally explodes when the Alien grabs him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2021, 09:06:01 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2021, 09:06:01 AM
Yep, always thought too much splatter in this scene. What the f**k did the alien do ? Shoved a bomb in his ass and detonated it ? :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2021, 09:17:54 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 21, 2021, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 08:01:12 AMQuote from: Its_Auto on Apr 21, 2021, 02:11:09 AMBishop 2 is literally standing there with half the side of his head/ear hanging off talking to Ripley. He clearly feels the pain from his reactions, but an injury like that you would expect a regular human to be incapacitated.
There's a ton of over-the-top gore in that film, like when Jude, to use your parlance, literally explodes when the Alien grabs him.
And Bishop 2 getting clocked isn't even that over-the-top.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 09:24:40 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 09:24:40 AM
It's not as over-the-top, but I definitely always thought he should be significantly more affected by the wound we see, at least in the theatrical cut, in which they cut most of the shots of him really obviously suffering.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2021, 09:36:08 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2021, 09:36:08 AM
But isn't his blood red in this scene ? I don't understand the questionning about him being human.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 09:54:21 AM
Neither do I really, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
As I say, his reaction always struck me as unrealistically subdued in the theatrical cut, but I just put that down to it being a movie; I never thought that meant he was robot.
As I say, his reaction always struck me as unrealistically subdued in the theatrical cut, but I just put that down to it being a movie; I never thought that meant he was robot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2021, 10:13:30 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 21, 2021, 10:13:30 AM
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2021, 11:06:38 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2021, 11:06:38 AM
I know we're suppose to mistrust him because he's a company man, but eh, red is red.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 21, 2021, 02:18:04 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 21, 2021, 02:18:04 PM
"...it's red..."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Apr 21, 2021, 03:57:15 PM
Post by: razeak on Apr 21, 2021, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 21, 2021, 09:24:40 AM
It's not as over-the-top, but I definitely always thought he should be significantly more affected by the wound we see, at least in the theatrical cut, in which they cut most of the shots of him really obviously suffering.
History is full of incidents of people doing things with severe injuries. It's not really far out there at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 23, 2021, 06:13:43 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 23, 2021, 06:13:43 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 21, 2021, 11:06:38 AM
I know we're suppose to mistrust him because he's a company man, but eh, red is red.
Replicants have red blood.. synthetics have the white internal fluids 😁
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Replicants are in Blade Runner... synthetics are in Alien 😁
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 23, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 23, 2021, 08:26:51 AM
Muh shared universe
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 23, 2021, 09:06:04 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 23, 2021, 09:06:04 AM
PrOmEtHeUs BlU-rAy PrOvEs It!!1!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 23, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 23, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
Post that the Easter Bunny put the egg on the Sulaco, and nobody bats an eye.. Post that Bishop II is a replicant and *boom* - 😂 Too easy.. I didn't even get to play "the engineers in 'Raised by Wolves'" card yet... 😔
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Apr 23, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
Post by: Kradan on Apr 23, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 23, 2021, 06:22:19 AM
Replicants are in Blade Runner... synthetics are in Alien 😁
BUT THEY"RE IN THE SAME UNIVERSE !!!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 23, 2021, 12:37:15 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 23, 2021, 12:37:15 PM
Hey nobody mentions Outland WTF ? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 23, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 23, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Everyone accepts Outland, there's no controversy there ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 23, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 23, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
That's what I like to read !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Apr 23, 2021, 05:04:56 PM
Post by: Stitch on Apr 23, 2021, 05:04:56 PM
So Jim Caviezel put the egg on the Sulaco? Or Sean Connery?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 23, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 23, 2021, 05:11:59 PM
Sean obviously.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 23, 2021, 07:12:13 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 23, 2021, 07:12:13 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Apr 23, 2021, 12:16:19 PM
Post that the Easter Bunny put the egg on the Sulaco, and nobody bats an eye.. Post that Bishop II is a replicant and *boom* - 😂 Too easy.. I didn't even get to play "the engineers in 'Raised by Wolves'" card yet... 😔
I was only pretending u guise!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2021, 10:53:36 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 23, 2021, 10:53:36 PM
its just a prank bro
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Apr 24, 2021, 05:44:24 AM
Post by: Kradan on Apr 24, 2021, 05:44:24 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 23, 2021, 01:17:44 PM
Everyone accepts Outland, there's no controversy there ;D
I f**king love Outland
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 27, 2020, 08:38:53 PM
I can jerk-off to these visuals
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 24, 2021, 11:06:37 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 24, 2021, 11:06:37 AM
Fun fact - not only does Outland look like it belongs in the Alien universe, it also had a novelisation by Alan Dean Foster and a comic book adaptation by Heavy Metal, just like Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 24, 2021, 06:24:55 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 24, 2021, 06:24:55 PM
Yeah also lots of similarities between the Blade Runner sequel(s) and the Alien prequel(s) in marketing. In addition to the thematic and sometimes narrative subject matter they share. And we also got Blade Runner Blackout and Alien Blackout not that far apart.
And the Blade Runner comics used to be under Marvel then moved to Dark Horse and we got the opposite with Alien. Both also used the title "Dust To Dust" as one of the aforementioned stories.
Both each have Soldier and Outland respectively as unofficial entries in their respective libraries.
I actually ought to check out the Blade Runner books and comics and the three/four semi-official fan films.
And the Blade Runner comics used to be under Marvel then moved to Dark Horse and we got the opposite with Alien. Both also used the title "Dust To Dust" as one of the aforementioned stories.
Both each have Soldier and Outland respectively as unofficial entries in their respective libraries.
I actually ought to check out the Blade Runner books and comics and the three/four semi-official fan films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on May 18, 2021, 12:32:37 AM
Post by: razeak on May 18, 2021, 12:32:37 AM
I really need to check out Soldier. I'm sure there is a clue to the origin of the egg there since there appears to be some sort of connection.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2021, 08:37:14 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 18, 2021, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: razeak on May 18, 2021, 12:32:37 AMI really need to check out Soldier.
The first ten minutes are by far the best part of the film, but it's entertaining. Kurt Russell is always good value and he manages to be surprisingly engaging given that he has about four lines in the whole thing. It's basically just Rambo in space, so don't expect anything more than that and you'll probably have a good time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on May 18, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on May 18, 2021, 08:43:04 AM
I remember watching it only for Kurt Russell, and being vastly disappointed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 18, 2021, 08:50:40 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 18, 2021, 08:50:40 AM
Same.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 18, 2021, 11:05:03 AM
Post by: SM on May 18, 2021, 11:05:03 AM
I remember being being very underwhelmed. And shocked that visually it was so inferior to Event Horizon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Vermillion on May 25, 2021, 01:14:28 PM
Post by: Vermillion on May 25, 2021, 01:14:28 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 24, 2021, 11:06:37 AM
Fun fact - not only does Outland look like it belongs in the Alien universe, it also had a novelisation by Alan Dean Foster and a comic book adaptation by Heavy Metal, just like Alien.
Great movie.
Well, all that you mentioned is superb.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 29, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 29, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
Alien³ & Fight club share that distinctive style where everything looks dirty and gross, even people. Let's call it Fincherpunk. 8)
Plus that director is remarkable when it comes to unreliable narrators, better thanVermilion Scott, I'm afraid. :-X
Maybe by understanding Fight Club, we can understand once and for all the Egg on Sulaco. :laugh:
What do you think? ✌(⊙︿⊙✿)
Plus that director is remarkable when it comes to unreliable narrators, better than
Maybe by understanding Fight Club, we can understand once and for all the Egg on Sulaco. :laugh:
What do you think? ✌(⊙︿⊙✿)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 29, 2021, 10:02:22 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 29, 2021, 10:02:22 PM
You're just super Jonesy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on May 29, 2021, 11:08:06 PM
Post by: Stitch on May 29, 2021, 11:08:06 PM
I am Jack's egg on the Sulaco
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 29, 2021, 11:12:29 PM
Post by: SM on May 29, 2021, 11:12:29 PM
His name was Robert Morse.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: irn on May 31, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
Post by: irn on May 31, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
Did we ever figure out how the queen got onto the Sulaco?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 31, 2021, 02:42:30 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 31, 2021, 02:42:30 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on May 31, 2021, 03:35:28 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on May 31, 2021, 03:35:28 PM
Bishop must've been high as f**k to not notice.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on May 31, 2021, 10:35:29 PM
Post by: SM on May 31, 2021, 10:35:29 PM
Quote from: irn on May 31, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
Did we ever figure out how the queen got onto the Sulaco?
The film didn't telegraph it enough?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2021, 05:54:50 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2021, 05:54:50 AM
Quote from: irn on May 31, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
Did we ever figure out how the queen got onto the Sulaco?
She climbed aboard the rear landing strut while Bishop was pre-occupied having crashed the left one into some debris on the landing pad.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 01, 2021, 06:22:47 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 01, 2021, 06:22:47 AM
... was that question not facetious?
I hoped it was.
I hoped it was.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jun 01, 2021, 11:31:30 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 01, 2021, 11:31:30 PM
Y'all are giving away important plot points!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2021, 11:12:18 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2021, 11:12:18 AM
#Dropshiplandinggearobviously
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 02, 2021, 02:19:03 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 02, 2021, 02:19:03 PM
We may need an EXPLAINED video to spell it out for us.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 02, 2021, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jun 02, 2021, 03:02:00 PM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jun 02, 2021, 06:33:43 PM
Post by: judge death on Jun 02, 2021, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 02, 2021, 02:19:03 PMPlease god no, dont give alien theory more ideas xD
We may need an EXPLAINED video to spell it out for us.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jun 02, 2021, 10:18:53 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 02, 2021, 10:18:53 PM
Is he, or was he ever, a member?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 03, 2021, 01:54:27 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 03, 2021, 01:54:27 AM
It makes me laugh when they capitalize "explained" in their video titles, like they're yelling or something. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 03, 2021, 02:06:25 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 03, 2021, 02:06:25 AM
They are yelling.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2021, 02:12:36 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2021, 02:12:36 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 02, 2021, 10:18:53 PM
Is he, or was he ever, a member?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=25465
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jun 03, 2021, 04:49:52 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 03, 2021, 04:49:52 AM
Well it's no wonder he left. He felt:
"bad, slandered, offended, and taken out of context"
1. https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=25465
2.
"bad, slandered, offended, and taken out of context"
1. https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=25465
2.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2021, 02:12:36 AM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=25465
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2021, 05:29:09 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2021, 05:29:09 AM
Does he deserve an apology as much as Randy does?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2021, 06:23:58 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 03, 2021, 06:23:58 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 04, 2021, 12:29:52 AM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jun 04, 2021, 12:29:52 AM
265 pages and still going, wow! Pity some old time good conversations, arguments and theories got buried somewhere within those pages. The thread developed its own life cycle now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 04, 2021, 01:01:36 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 04, 2021, 01:01:36 AM
Every licensed writer should read this thread before writing a new book.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2021, 01:15:40 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2021, 01:15:40 AM
A guy who came to Egg on Sulaco for the first time, his ass was a wad of cookie dough. After a few posts, he was carved out of wood.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jun 04, 2021, 03:00:42 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jun 04, 2021, 03:00:42 AM
Clint Asswood.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2021, 03:18:58 AM
Post by: SM on Jun 04, 2021, 03:18:58 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 04, 2021, 01:01:36 AM
Every licensed writer should read this thread before writing a new book.
Falls under "cruel and unusual'.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jun 14, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
Post by: razeak on Jun 14, 2021, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2021, 03:18:58 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 04, 2021, 01:01:36 AM
Every licensed writer should read this thread before writing a new book.
Falls under "cruel and unusual'.
I don't disagree with either sentiment lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Jun 15, 2021, 11:35:03 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Jun 15, 2021, 11:35:03 PM
It shit them out after squeezing its exoskeletal asscheeks tight onto a new set they didn't have time for because aliens are bastards like that. The End.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 11:43:15 PM
Post by: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 11:43:15 PM
people are still talking about this.
christ.
Plot Holes are what you tend to notice if you're not liking the story.
The egg doesn't make sense. It never will.
Films have flaws. It's ok.
christ.
Plot Holes are what you tend to notice if you're not liking the story.
The egg doesn't make sense. It never will.
Films have flaws. It's ok.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2021, 11:58:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2021, 11:58:53 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 11:43:15 PM
people are still talking about this.
christ.
This is what happens when we fail to reach consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Jun 16, 2021, 12:01:02 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Jun 16, 2021, 12:01:02 AM
need for new set because the old set is gone, the ovpositor had to carry the eggs from somewhere. It shat some little guys out who grew into big boys now. I mean there's a bigger plothole in the amount of time it takes a small chestburster to become a 7 foot biomechanical goliath in Alien. It's fine, I don't know anybody who watches it anymore who cares
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 12:04:32 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 12:04:32 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Jun 16, 2021, 12:01:02 AM
It's fine, I don't know anybody who watches it anymore who cares
Yep. This is what it boils down to, essentially. The egg makes no sense but... whatever! You roll with it, or you don't. I like the movie, so I choose to roll with it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Jun 16, 2021, 12:07:27 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Jun 16, 2021, 12:07:27 AM
I think it makes sense that the egg laying queen with a giant egg sack that bloated full of eggs might have had two premature ones laying around that did some tentacle nonsense and stuck themselves to the new set they had to build quickly without care for much continuity with Aliens. The last part is really the only problem. If this thing has a Pacific Ocean of eggs it's just flinging out then, yeah one or two made it perhaps even without purpose or malice or even notice. Bad mom in that case but what can you do
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 16, 2021, 12:40:45 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 16, 2021, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 15, 2021, 11:58:53 PMQuote from: skhellter on Jun 15, 2021, 11:43:15 PM
people are still talking about this.
christ.
This is what happens when we fail to reach consensus.
It'll spread like COVID.
This thread.. Martin Luther King.. The Jedi......
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jun 16, 2021, 12:52:11 AM
Post by: judge death on Jun 16, 2021, 12:52:11 AM
I think my theory for it works fine and fits well with what we have in the bluray menu. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jun 16, 2021, 05:16:28 PM
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jun 16, 2021, 05:16:28 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 16, 2021, 12:04:32 AMAgreed! I just re-watched The Alien Saga and it was cool to see the old trailers and re-live the excitement of a new Alien movie. I appreciate we all have different opinions, but the polarized pissing and moaning do get old... Oh for the days when we could agree to disagree.
Yep. This is what it boils down to, essentially. The egg makes no sense but... whatever! You roll with it, or you don't. I like the movie, so I choose to roll with it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jun 29, 2021, 03:26:45 AM
Post by: razeak on Jun 29, 2021, 03:26:45 AM
It's just one of those things that gets more attention because it led to two beloved characters going bye bye.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jun 29, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jun 29, 2021, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jun 29, 2021, 03:26:45 AMTrue that.
It's just one of those things that gets more attention because it led to two beloved characters going bye bye.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jun 30, 2021, 07:36:54 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 30, 2021, 07:36:54 AM
Quote from: TNF on Jun 16, 2021, 05:16:28 PM
Oh for the days when we could agree to disagree.
https://youtu.be/n9Yh5MoW0c0?list=PLL3Ym7LONeFfnHG0_MfZSeFhqYT6jm9cA&t=67 (https://youtu.be/n9Yh5MoW0c0?list=PLL3Ym7LONeFfnHG0_MfZSeFhqYT6jm9cA&t=67)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jul 03, 2021, 12:25:04 AM
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jul 03, 2021, 12:25:04 AM
McBragg! Haven't seen him in centuries...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jul 05, 2021, 04:50:33 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Jul 05, 2021, 04:50:33 AM
I've cracked the egg on the Sulaco!
Spoiler
It was just a production goof!
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jul 05, 2021, 07:53:34 PM
Post by: The_Nostromo_Files on Jul 05, 2021, 07:53:34 PM
Quote from: Guts on Jul 05, 2021, 04:50:33 AMThat's quite punny, actually...
I've cracked the egg on the Sulaco!Spoiler
It was just a production goof![close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 08, 2021, 07:58:24 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 08, 2021, 07:58:24 AM
Quote from: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 10:43:37 PM
...or, maybe some facehuggers can deliver more than one embryo (like twins)? Remember, in Alien, the facehugger left Kane and had made it up to the ceiling of the infirmary. It may have been looking for another host and had died while waiting.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Elves/cool.gif
Actually that theory is plausible thanks to Alien Covenant, the one guy gets a facehugger taken off quickly but later a chestburster comes out of him in the third act. So facehuggers coukd conceivably drop seed into multiple hosts, perhaps this is an survival state, that the facehugger being the last of its kind does not stay on one host too long before moving to another host, but when there are many eggs the facehugger only seeks one host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jul 08, 2021, 08:08:31 PM
Post by: judge death on Jul 08, 2021, 08:08:31 PM
Nah it implanted one person and then died. The captain got facehugged by another one after David showed him down to the basement, although that super rapid implantation seem to be only possible by Davids strand of xeno prototype, as the normal xenos from the alien trilogy took 2 hours or so. Only defiance comic book seem to imply a facehugger barely needs to attach to a host.
Only a super facehugger can implant 2 embryos which assembly cut shows/queen bearing facehugger in normal version. Although I wouldnt count out alien exctinctions showing of several embryos or several facehuggers coming from same egg/host.
Only a super facehugger can implant 2 embryos which assembly cut shows/queen bearing facehugger in normal version. Although I wouldnt count out alien exctinctions showing of several embryos or several facehuggers coming from same egg/host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 09, 2021, 01:20:43 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 09, 2021, 01:20:43 AM
I'm talking about the guy who got his face burned when they took the facehugger off. The facehugger was barely on his face, and then later we see the second Xeno has come out of him and is headed for the showers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 09, 2021, 01:20:43 AM
I'm talking about the guy who got his face burned when they took the facehugger off. The facehugger was barely on his face, and then later we see the second Xeno has come out of him and is headed for the showers.
Doesn't that hugger immediately curl up and die after being removed, or am I misremembering?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 11, 2021, 10:00:40 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 11, 2021, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 09:03:54 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 09, 2021, 01:20:43 AM
I'm talking about the guy who got his face burned when they took the facehugger off. The facehugger was barely on his face, and then later we see the second Xeno has come out of him and is headed for the showers.
Doesn't that hugger immediately curl up and die after being removed...?
It do.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 14, 2021, 04:04:48 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 14, 2021, 04:04:48 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 11, 2021, 09:03:54 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 09, 2021, 01:20:43 AM
I'm talking about the guy who got his face burned when they took the facehugger off. The facehugger was barely on his face, and then later we see the second Xeno has come out of him and is headed for the showers.
Doesn't that hugger immediately curl up and die after being removed, or am I misremembering?
It does, but he still has a chestburster. I on forst watch thought the Xeno trying to board the shuttle headed for the Covenant was the same one we see later when Daniels wakes up to the alarm, but its clear in med bay that the guy who had facehugger briefly on him implanted an embryo in him because he's dead with his chest bursted open.
We really should do a Alien Covenant Group watch.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 14, 2021, 08:56:07 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 14, 2021, 08:56:07 PM
This is the bit I was disputing, but may not have quoted very clearly:
No double-hugging in Covvie, just multiple huggers.
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 08, 2021, 07:58:24 AM
So facehuggers coukd conceivably drop seed into multiple hosts, perhaps this is an survival state, that the facehugger being the last of its kind does not stay on one host too long before moving to another host, but when there are many eggs the facehugger only seeks one host.
No double-hugging in Covvie, just multiple huggers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 15, 2021, 12:54:52 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 15, 2021, 12:54:52 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 14, 2021, 08:56:07 PM
This is the bit I was disputing, but may not have quoted very clearly:Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 08, 2021, 07:58:24 AM
So facehuggers coukd conceivably drop seed into multiple hosts, perhaps this is an survival state, that the facehugger being the last of its kind does not stay on one host too long before moving to another host, but when there are many eggs the facehugger only seeks one host.
No double-hugging in Covvie, just multiple huggers.
Right, but I am talking about Alien 3 that there is double hugger, and I used Alien Covenant to show a facehugger can be on a mouth briefly and impregnate. Honestly the continuity is a mess, sometimes a Chestburster comes out with a tail or as in Covie its already got legs, sometimes gestation is a long while other times its microwave speed.
My point is simply if a facehugger is the last of its kind, perhaps it evolves into superhugger that can lay embryos in multiple hosts; the object increasing the chances of a queen, which did happen to Ripley.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 15, 2021, 07:58:18 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 15, 2021, 07:58:18 PM
Or there was more than one egg/hugger and the opening is just slapped together with little regard for continuity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 15, 2021, 09:54:08 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 15, 2021, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 15, 2021, 07:58:18 PM
Or there was more than one egg/hugger and the opening is just slapped together with little regard for continuity.
That is definitive possibility. But "a man can dream" that there was some regard for continuity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 08:36:10 PM
Post by: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 08:36:10 PM
I have a theory for both your questions:
Alien 3: Theres two options:
1: The egg spawned 2 facehuggers, like they can in aliens exctinction game, one found ripley and the other found the dog.
2: My fave theory: the egg released a queen carrying facehugger/assembly cut shows the super facehugger, and it impregnated ripley with the queen and after that it then impregnated a dog/ox with a protector to the queen that will burst beofre the queen does and will be aggressive and protect the queen.
For why the different speeds:
I count out avp movies: Covenant we have Davids strand of xenos, not the original xenomorphs, they arent biomechanical, their eggs looks different, born different, looks different etc and behaves differently and way more aggressive and dumber. But their facehuggers dont need much time to impregnate a host and Davids xeno burst quicker and is born like a miniatour of the adult shape and is transparent, can see the skeleton and organs in it.
In alien and aliens and alien 3 the facehugger is attached a long time and also the chestburster take longer to get mature and burst out, same for resurrection. How much they grow inside the host is individual and what kind of host it has and health of the host. The ones in resurrection and alien took shortest time and hence only looking like snakes while the dog runner in alien3 matured for longer time and had imature arms and legs.
Alien 3: Theres two options:
1: The egg spawned 2 facehuggers, like they can in aliens exctinction game, one found ripley and the other found the dog.
2: My fave theory: the egg released a queen carrying facehugger/assembly cut shows the super facehugger, and it impregnated ripley with the queen and after that it then impregnated a dog/ox with a protector to the queen that will burst beofre the queen does and will be aggressive and protect the queen.
For why the different speeds:
I count out avp movies: Covenant we have Davids strand of xenos, not the original xenomorphs, they arent biomechanical, their eggs looks different, born different, looks different etc and behaves differently and way more aggressive and dumber. But their facehuggers dont need much time to impregnate a host and Davids xeno burst quicker and is born like a miniatour of the adult shape and is transparent, can see the skeleton and organs in it.
In alien and aliens and alien 3 the facehugger is attached a long time and also the chestburster take longer to get mature and burst out, same for resurrection. How much they grow inside the host is individual and what kind of host it has and health of the host. The ones in resurrection and alien took shortest time and hence only looking like snakes while the dog runner in alien3 matured for longer time and had imature arms and legs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 16, 2021, 09:58:28 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 16, 2021, 09:58:28 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 08:36:10 PM
2: My fave theory: the egg released a queen carrying facehugger/assembly cut shows the super facehugger, and it impregnated ripley with the queen and after that it then impregnated a dog/ox with a protector to the queen that will burst beofre the queen does and will be aggressive and protect the queen.
I love this theory! It would make sense a Queenhugger would produce a drone to protect the Queen till she is mature. You deserve an applause for this theory. *Claps*
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 10:02:47 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 10:02:47 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 08:36:10 PM
I have a theory for both your questions:
Alien 3: Theres two options:
1: The egg spawned 2 facehuggers, like they can in aliens exctinction game, one found ripley and the other found the dog.
2: My fave theory: the egg released a queen carrying facehugger/assembly cut shows the super facehugger, and it impregnated ripley with the queen and after that it then impregnated a dog/ox with a protector to the queen that will burst beofre the queen does and will be aggressive and protect the queen.
Nah. It's just a dodgy opening that doesn't make sense on multiple levels thanks to the chaotic production. That's really all there is to it. Or would you like to try and explain the shape-shifting cryo pods too?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jul 16, 2021, 10:04:13 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jul 16, 2021, 10:04:13 PM
Get out
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 11:02:53 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 11:02:53 PM
I will leave when you explain the shape-shifting pods with a coherent in-universe answer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:04:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2013, 03:47:21 AMQuote from: thecaffeinatedone on Jan 31, 2013, 03:41:49 AMDifferent cryotubes, different cryogenic compartment room, different lighting, different ceilings, different outside ship exterior, different outside lettering, the egg is shown in a really weird room that doesn't appear anywhere and we haven't seen it.
That's because the UPP boarded the ship, removed the passengers from their tubes (without reviving them) and then placed them back in the senior officers' cryotubes (in a different section of the ship) when they sent the Sulaco back on her merry way.
The white lettering was on the Sulaco's port side. Black on starboard.
Blame it on the Space Kradans.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 11:14:47 PM
Post by: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 11:14:47 PM
Theres two answers:
1: Same as with the error in aliens where ripleys spacesuit is all wrong. Alien3´s designer missed it or needed it to be round to work on set. /budget reason or a miss.
2: The crew when evacuated was moved to emergency crypods which is smaller to fit inside the eve, the bigger and more square like were left on sulaco. I prefer this choice but then one need to accept you dont see it happen onscreen.
Bigger issue is: these eve´s suck: they dont land, they crash on enarest planet and surviving is near nill.
1: Same as with the error in aliens where ripleys spacesuit is all wrong. Alien3´s designer missed it or needed it to be round to work on set. /budget reason or a miss.
2: The crew when evacuated was moved to emergency crypods which is smaller to fit inside the eve, the bigger and more square like were left on sulaco. I prefer this choice but then one need to accept you dont see it happen onscreen.
Bigger issue is: these eve´s suck: they dont land, they crash on enarest planet and surviving is near nill.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:21:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 16, 2021, 11:21:20 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 11:14:47 PM2: The crew when evacuated was moved to emergency crypods which is smaller to fit inside the eve, the bigger and more square like were left on sulaco. I prefer this choice but then one need to accept you dont see it happen onscreen.
We see them in the new cryotubes before the fire even starts.
Quote from: judge death on Jul 16, 2021, 11:14:47 PMBigger issue is: these eve´s suck: they dont land, they crash on enarest planet and surviving is near nill.
As I've said before, the EEVs would probably be fine if they remained in space. Contrary to what the CMTM says, I doubt they were ever designed to travel under their own power or make a controlled landing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 16, 2021, 11:58:49 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 16, 2021, 11:58:49 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 11:02:53 PM
I will leave when you explain the shape-shifting pods with a coherent in-universe answer.
Asthetics, the director wanted a particular desifn but its suppose to be the same pods. Its an art choice, viewers I just suppose to accept its the director using their taste. Kinda like James Cameron opting for the blue coloring over the green coloring for the title sequence and etc.
We often decry as fans, "that's not right, that's a different Xeno or etc," when really the director and artists wanted to do a new design or augment a design to look newer or more complete. The differences are simply design taste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2021, 12:00:58 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2021, 12:00:58 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 16, 2021, 11:58:49 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 11:02:53 PM
I will leave when you explain the shape-shifting pods with a coherent in-universe answer.
Asthetics, the director wanted a particular desifn but its suppose to be the same pods.
That's the opposite of an in-universe answer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 17, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 17, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 17, 2021, 12:00:58 AMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 16, 2021, 11:58:49 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 11:02:53 PM
I will leave when you explain the shape-shifting pods with a coherent in-universe answer.
Asthetics, the director wanted a particular desifn but its suppose to be the same pods.
That's the opposite of an in-universe answer.
True.
In verse, David was secretly on board with two eggs and moved the bodies to new pods. :p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 17, 2021, 03:42:29 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 17, 2021, 03:42:29 AM
Alien tissue began to integrate itself into the molecular structure of the cryo-tubes, as it finds certain types of polymers incredibly smooth and sexy. This union of biological and technological materials transformed the cryo-tubes into Alien techno-wombs. Harsh, pale, and supple.
Alas, poor Newt, drowned in the amniotic xemen.
Alas, poor Newt, drowned in the amniotic xemen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 17, 2021, 04:03:54 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 17, 2021, 04:03:54 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 17, 2021, 03:42:29 AM
Alien tissue began to integrate itself into the molecular structure of the cryo-tubes, as it finds certain types of polymers incredibly smooth and sexy. This union of biological and technological materials transformed the cryo-tubes into Alien techno-wombs. Harsh, pale, and supple.
Alas, poor Newt, drowned in the amniotic xemen.
This actually sounds closer to Giger's designs, that the Xenomorph is cyborg, machine and organic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 03:25:47 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 03:25:47 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2021, 11:02:53 PM
I will leave when you explain the shape-shifting pods with a coherent in-universe answer.
You don't care about the egg ???
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 03:49:50 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 03:49:50 AM
Rewatching Alien3 and I saw one egg. So either its twin facehuggers or a superhugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:08:08 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:08:08 AM
Saw anyone planting any eggs?
Or pods morphing?
Or pods morphing?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 04:19:05 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 04:19:05 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 03:49:50 AM
Rewatching Alien3 and I saw one egg. So either its twin facehuggers or a superhugger.
There were originally supposed to be several eggs, if I remember correct. There may have been a set photo.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:24:31 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:24:31 AM
Don't we need a thread for the additional eggs?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 04:27:15 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 04:27:15 AM
Why mess with perfection?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:29:46 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:29:46 AM
This thread. You admire it..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 04:33:32 AM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 04:33:32 AM
I admire it's purity. A survivor. Unclouded..by consensus, remorse, or delusions of finality.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:36:06 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:36:06 AM
Is there a place though where Kradan and [cancerblack] can discuss pod-morphing without unnnecessarily derailing this thread?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 04:36:59 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 04:36:59 AM
Eggs, Facehuggers, and Runners Oh My!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 05:47:55 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 05:47:55 AM
For the newbie (who, I might point out, remains unbaptized by SM so far)...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 17, 2018, 03:31:45 PM
It's not even really a "new ability," just an extension of what we've already seen. The eggs obviously start out small and develop over time within the queen's ovipositor, right?
My theory just speculates that tearing herself free of her egg sac left the queen with a gaping hole in her abdomen and her "ovaries" exposed. As she fought Ripley in the Sulaco's hangar bay, at least one of her premature eggs fell out of this abdominal cavity and oozed through the floor-grates where it congealed into place and took root.
In keeping with the aliens' physical hardiness, this proto-egg was able to survive outside of the queen's "womb" and even grow on its own to full-size during the Sulaco's three-week journey back to Earth. Mind you, this process would be relatively slow compared to the aliens' usual accelerated growth rate.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:03:20 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:03:20 AM
I noticred Sulaco Egg looks similar to the Resurrection ones.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 06:04:38 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 06:04:38 AM
SM leaving this forum surely leaves a power vacuum like the Americans in Afghanistan.
And yes Local, you are
And yes Local, you are
Spoiler
the Taliban
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 06:10:13 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 06:10:13 AM
I feel like the Joker would if Batman ever disappeared. :(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:15:03 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:15:03 AM
Why did SM leave the forums?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 06:16:03 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 06:16:03 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 06:10:13 AM
I feel like the Joker would if Batman ever disappeared. :(
If you would leave as well, I'd feel like
Spoiler
Teela
[close]
:'(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:22:38 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:22:38 AM
How did the egg get planted on Sulaco? Did the Queen lay an emergency egg?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 06:25:23 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 06:25:23 AM
The answers to your questions are in this thread.
A consensus though - is not.
You remind me of my younger self. Unclouded..
A consensus though - is not.
You remind me of my younger self. Unclouded..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2021, 08:09:07 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2021, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:22:38 AM
How did the egg get planted on Sulaco? Did the Queen lay an emergency egg?
Basically the production crew whacked a shot of an egg in there without really thinking about it and 14 years later we got this thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 08:17:04 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 08:17:04 AM
Couldn't they digitally add a second egg for a 4K release?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2021, 08:21:44 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2021, 08:21:44 AM
It'd make more sense to not show any egg(s) at all because there's no way one could logically be there.
Sometimes you've just got to accept there was no thought into it and there's no explanation that makes any sense.
It makes me laugh how some people feel the need to fall all over themselves to try and explain the magic egg yet no one seems to care that the Sulaco has suddenly had a paint job in flight and is now brown instead of grey :laugh:
Sometimes you've just got to accept there was no thought into it and there's no explanation that makes any sense.
It makes me laugh how some people feel the need to fall all over themselves to try and explain the magic egg yet no one seems to care that the Sulaco has suddenly had a paint job in flight and is now brown instead of grey :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 25, 2021, 09:10:32 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 25, 2021, 09:10:32 AM
Because unlike the Alien itself it makes no difference to the plot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
I think it matters. Trying to understand created this thread and great conversations. I think that is the greater contribution, to keep us talking about it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 25, 2021, 10:36:58 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 25, 2021, 10:36:58 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 09:33:14 AM
I think it matters. Trying to understand created this thread and great conversations. I think that is the greater contribution, to keep us talking about it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Wait what happened to SM?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 25, 2021, 01:52:50 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 25, 2021, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Wait what happened to SM?
That is perhaps the greatest mystery of all time. It must have something to do with the pandemic and lockdowns though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jul 25, 2021, 03:39:28 PM
Post by: judge death on Jul 25, 2021, 03:39:28 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:22:38 AMYou have the answer in my explanation , or at least my theory of what happened ;)
How did the egg get planted on Sulaco? Did the Queen lay an emergency egg?
In the bluray menu of alien 3 its shown the eggs location is inside the landing gear where the queen was and yes, the queen laid what I call an emergency egg or local trouble would call ooze from her sex and ovaries, it was placed inside there and unlike the eggs thats grown in the eggsack, its tiny and takes far longer to gestate into a state where it can release facehugger/s.
More sense than that I dont think we can make out of the movies mess when these scenes was filmed without any director and was just fox advocates pointing and filming and not giving a damn.
WAIT WHAT??!
SM isnt on the forum anymore?! This cant be, this forum without him is something I cant imagine and take for granted like laws of nature. without him this forum will go into chaos. :O
What happened?!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 07:08:01 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 07:08:01 PM
Well I hope he and his family are okay.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 07:15:31 PM
Post by: Huggs on Jul 25, 2021, 07:15:31 PM
I guess he didn't make bail.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 08:20:18 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 08:20:18 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jul 25, 2021, 03:39:28 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 25, 2021, 06:22:38 AMYou have the answer in my explanation , or at least my theory of what happened ;)
How did the egg get planted on Sulaco? Did the Queen lay an emergency egg?
In the bluray menu of alien 3 its shown the eggs location is inside the landing gear where the queen was and yes, the queen laid what I call an emergency egg or local trouble would call ooze from her sex and ovaries, it was placed inside there and unlike the eggs thats grown in the eggsack, its tiny and takes far longer to gestate into a state where it can release facehugger/s.
More sense than that I dont think we can make out of the movies mess when these scenes was filmed without any director and was just fox advocates pointing and filming and not giving a damn.
WAIT WHAT??!
SM isnt on the forum anymore?! This cant be, this forum without him is something I cant imagine and take for granted like laws of nature. without him this forum will go into chaos. :O
What happened?!
Your theory is very good. I think its poetic that Ripley kills the Queen's children (in the Hive), that a facehugger kills Newt via the fire, that Ripley kills the Queen but later becomes a host for a new Queen, is resurrected, the Queen gives birth to a child that loves Ripley 8 who then kills it. Ripley and Queen are connected in an eternal battle.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Aug 02, 2021, 02:44:22 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Aug 02, 2021, 02:44:22 PM
It should be mentioned the cryotubes are not the same variety seen in Aliens. And the colors of the Sulaco are inverted, probably for lighting reasons, the text is now white, not black on the hull. They had a bit of a continuity hiccup. It is entirely reasonable given this that "but it didn't look like the dropship hatch" they built a generic scifi set for that location. The working logic probably was, as the Queen had just removed her ovipositor recently, whatever was developing inside went KERPLUNK and found itself inside. It contained multiple eggs, though we only see one. I know it is multiple eggs, even though we see one, because Tom Woodruff Jr and Alec Gillis mentioned in an interview on this site they tested 2-3 eggs. The Assembly Cut they found was a WIP so they were playing around with the number in an error of editing.
So in short
Queen rips off a majority of her goochie
Queen still has developing Ova in her inner goochie
Queen is in landing leg.
Queen deposits eggs in the wait to get to the Sulaco.
Rips Bishop in half yada yada "Get away from her you bitch"
They go to hypersleep.
They awake in a movie with a set of continuinty problems and an editing problem
But what happened was the eggs hatched we do not see because this was a WIP cut, one regular bleeds after it cracks Newt's cryotube.
Another, a Queen facehugger, impregnates Ripley.
We know the omitted scene that made things come full circle they ran out of time and money for was all the EEVs ejecting and one either not descending fast enough or orbiting the Sulaco, and hits the Sulaco, ripping a hole in it causing a massive explosion and decompression that sends our beloved characters careening, the lifeboat hopelessly spinning out of control.
It crashes on Fury 161
The queen facehugger impregnates two to protect the queen, so it attaches itself to Babe. The Runner is born. Perhaps the third mentioned being tested by Woodruff and Gillis was for the dog. We don't know, but I think that's safe to assume. Regardless of what happened on set and the continuity errors
This was bottom line what was meant to happen.
So in short
Queen rips off a majority of her goochie
Queen still has developing Ova in her inner goochie
Queen is in landing leg.
Queen deposits eggs in the wait to get to the Sulaco.
Rips Bishop in half yada yada "Get away from her you bitch"
They go to hypersleep.
They awake in a movie with a set of continuinty problems and an editing problem
But what happened was the eggs hatched we do not see because this was a WIP cut, one regular bleeds after it cracks Newt's cryotube.
Another, a Queen facehugger, impregnates Ripley.
We know the omitted scene that made things come full circle they ran out of time and money for was all the EEVs ejecting and one either not descending fast enough or orbiting the Sulaco, and hits the Sulaco, ripping a hole in it causing a massive explosion and decompression that sends our beloved characters careening, the lifeboat hopelessly spinning out of control.
It crashes on Fury 161
The queen facehugger impregnates two to protect the queen, so it attaches itself to Babe. The Runner is born. Perhaps the third mentioned being tested by Woodruff and Gillis was for the dog. We don't know, but I think that's safe to assume. Regardless of what happened on set and the continuity errors
This was bottom line what was meant to happen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2021, 02:47:26 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2021, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Aug 02, 2021, 02:44:22 PMAnd the colors of the Sulaco are inverted, probably for lighting reasons, the text is now white, not black on the hull.
It's more than the colours inverting - the ship is now poo brown instead of battleship grey.
Obviously whoever put the egg on board also took the time to give the ship a paint job.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NetworkATTH on Aug 02, 2021, 02:51:26 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Aug 02, 2021, 02:51:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2021, 02:47:26 PMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Aug 02, 2021, 02:44:22 PMAnd the colors of the Sulaco are inverted, probably for lighting reasons, the text is now white, not black on the hull.
It's more than the colours inverting - the ship is now poo brown instead of battleship grey.
Obviously whoever put the egg on board also took the time to give the ship a paint job.
Like I said it was probably lighting reasons because of the atmosphere they wanted to set. Whether you call it poo grey is up to you, but black lettering absolutely would not show up. It's more of another hiccup with good ideas. Because I actually love the color tone that was meant to evoke the shine of the larger sun. But that's just coming down to taste. It's very Baroque.
I'm just saying what happened. I like the assembly cut of Alien 3, but this isn't a quality judgement good or bad. This is just what was meant to happen, in what we didn't see from a WIP Assembly Cut.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2021, 09:33:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2021, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 02, 2021, 02:47:26 PMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Aug 02, 2021, 02:44:22 PMAnd the colors of the Sulaco are inverted, probably for lighting reasons, the text is now white, not black on the hull.
It's more than the colours inverting - the ship is now poo brown instead of battleship grey.
Obviously whoever put the egg on board also took the time to give the ship a paint job.
Maybe the Sulaco passed through a dust cloud on the way home and that dirtied it up a bit. Like how the Discovery in 2010 was orange because of all the sulfur from Io.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2021, 08:36:57 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 03, 2021, 08:36:57 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 02, 2021, 09:33:53 PMMaybe the Sulaco passed through a dust cloud on the way home and that dirtied it up a bit. Like how the Discovery in 2010 was orange because of all the sulfur from Io.
So how did the text get white? :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 03, 2021, 09:14:09 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 03, 2021, 09:14:09 AM
White lettering on one side black lettering on the other.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Highland on Aug 04, 2021, 02:35:24 AM
Post by: Highland on Aug 04, 2021, 02:35:24 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 25, 2021, 01:52:50 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Wait what happened to SM?
That is perhaps the greatest mystery of all time. It must have something to do with the pandemic and lockdowns though.
He's in Australia isn't he? We aint got no Pandemic here, unless you're from Sydney.
Maybe Batman finally got him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 04, 2021, 04:45:50 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 04, 2021, 04:45:50 AM
Quote from: Highland on Aug 04, 2021, 02:35:24 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 25, 2021, 01:52:50 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Wait what happened to SM?
That is perhaps the greatest mystery of all time. It must have something to do with the pandemic and lockdowns though.
He's in Australia isn't he? We aint got no Pandemic here, unless you're from Sydney.
Maybe Batman finally got him.
I don't know where he is from exactly, but I read that the lockdowns have been extended in Queensland.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 08:19:40 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Aug 03, 2021, 09:14:09 AM
White lettering on one side black lettering on the other.
This.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 10:17:36 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 10:17:36 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 04, 2021, 04:45:50 AMThat's me.Quote from: Highland on Aug 04, 2021, 02:35:24 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 25, 2021, 01:52:50 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Wait what happened to SM?
That is perhaps the greatest mystery of all time. It must have something to do with the pandemic and lockdowns though.
He's in Australia isn't he? We aint got no Pandemic here, unless you're from Sydney.
Maybe Batman finally got him.
I don't know where he is from exactly, but I read that the lockdowns have been extended in Queensland.
He's in Victoria.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Aug 04, 2021, 09:33:43 PM
Post by: judge death on Aug 04, 2021, 09:33:43 PM
And a lockdown dont mean one get disconnected from internet either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 10:48:34 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 10:48:34 PM
He updated the timeline site recently, so he probably has a satellite connection on the desert island where he's stranded with Ben Shapiro and Alien Theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Aug 04, 2021, 11:08:01 PM
Post by: judge death on Aug 04, 2021, 11:08:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 10:48:34 PMOh no, poor SM, well maybe he can educate alien theory then. xD
He updated the timeline site recently, so he probably has a satellite connection on the desert island where he's stranded with Ben Shapiro and Alien Theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Aug 05, 2021, 02:57:35 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Aug 05, 2021, 02:57:35 AM
If by educating you mean carving EXPLAINED into his forehead, then yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 05, 2021, 03:50:56 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 05, 2021, 03:50:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 04, 2021, 10:17:36 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 04, 2021, 04:45:50 AMThat's me.Quote from: Highland on Aug 04, 2021, 02:35:24 AMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jul 25, 2021, 01:52:50 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jul 25, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Wait what happened to SM?
That is perhaps the greatest mystery of all time. It must have something to do with the pandemic and lockdowns though.
He's in Australia isn't he? We aint got no Pandemic here, unless you're from Sydney.
Maybe Batman finally got him.
I don't know where he is from exactly, but I read that the lockdowns have been extended in Queensland.
He's in Victoria.
Oh I knew I had read somewhere about that city here on the site, that's why I mentioned it. ;D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 10:48:34 PM
He updated the timeline site recently, so he probably has a satellite connection on the desert island where he's stranded with Ben Shapiro and Alien Theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Highland on Aug 05, 2021, 03:54:08 PM
Post by: Highland on Aug 05, 2021, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 10:48:34 PM
He updated the timeline site recently, so he probably has a satellite connection on the desert island where he's stranded with Ben Shapiro and Alien Theory.
What if he's stuck inside his own timeline. Like Tron.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Aug 05, 2021, 04:17:00 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 05, 2021, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 25, 2021, 04:36:06 AM
Is there a place though where Kradan and [cancerblack] can discuss pod-morphing without unnnecessarily derailing this thread?
Простите, что ?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 06:10:13 AM
I feel like the Joker would if Batman ever disappeared. :(
I thought of you more like Harley to SM's Joker. Or Robin to Batman, whatever way you like it
Quote from: Trash Queen on Aug 03, 2021, 09:14:09 AM
White lettering on one side black lettering on the other.
Perfection
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2021, 10:28:37 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 05, 2021, 10:28:37 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 05, 2021, 04:17:00 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 06:10:13 AM
I feel like the Joker would if Batman ever disappeared. :(
I thought of you more like Harley to SM's Joker. Or Robin to Batman, whatever way you like it
>:(
Go play ACM.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Aug 05, 2021, 10:38:05 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 05, 2021, 10:38:05 PM
Make me
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2021, 02:31:19 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2021, 02:31:19 AM
I thought you liked it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2021, 03:02:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 08, 2021, 03:02:44 AM
He's just being petulant. >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2021, 03:14:12 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2021, 03:14:12 AM
He's probably playing it right now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 08, 2021, 03:41:23 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 08, 2021, 03:41:23 AM
Spoiler
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2021, 05:33:03 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 08, 2021, 05:33:03 PM
Ol' Randy "poopie pants" Pitchford.
That's who did it.
That's who did it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Aug 08, 2021, 11:03:38 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 08, 2021, 11:03:38 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 08, 2021, 02:31:19 AM
I thought you liked it?
I didn't hate it on my first (and only) playthrough. But then I discovered it's much more fun to hate it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2021, 12:10:42 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 09, 2021, 12:10:42 AM
You should play it again. Now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Aug 10, 2021, 10:13:11 PM
Post by: razeak on Aug 10, 2021, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 04, 2021, 10:48:34 PM
He updated the timeline site recently, so he probably has a satellite connection on the desert island where he's stranded with Ben Shapiro and Alien Theory.
Lmao. I literally snickered out loud at.the thought of that.
He'll be back.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 11, 2021, 12:36:25 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 11, 2021, 12:36:25 AM
Who would get eaten first?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 12:41:22 AM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 12:41:22 AM
Alien Theory has to survive to make àn EXPLAINED video about their time on the island
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 11, 2021, 12:55:57 AM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 11, 2021, 12:55:57 AM
But Shapiro can explain it in half the time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2021, 08:35:13 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 11, 2021, 08:35:13 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 12:41:22 AM
Alien Theory has to survive to make àn EXPLAINED video about their time on the island
Surely someone else would need to write about it first so he can rip off their work?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 09:14:14 AM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 09:14:14 AM
So The Cruentus is on the island too ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 11, 2021, 01:09:47 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 11, 2021, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 11, 2021, 09:14:14 AM
So The Cruentus is on the island too ?
I predict one of them will end up dead. In between the deadly fight, SM & Ben Shapiro will have to work together if they want to survive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Aug 11, 2021, 10:07:02 PM
Post by: Huggs on Aug 11, 2021, 10:07:02 PM
Sometimes, people who share traumatic experiences get uh...pretty close.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Sep 15, 2021, 11:14:50 PM
Post by: judge death on Sep 15, 2021, 11:14:50 PM
I remember SM said he would try and sneak away during the lunch break to buy Marvels alien comic to not get spotted by Tristian.
Well as SM is gone I guess Tristian found out......
Well as SM is gone I guess Tristian found out......
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 16, 2021, 12:42:58 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 16, 2021, 12:42:58 AM
Oh shit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 18, 2021, 09:59:19 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 18, 2021, 09:59:19 PM
Rewatched the Assembly Cut. You all are right, no explanation for the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Sep 18, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Post by: Stitch on Sep 18, 2021, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 18, 2021, 09:59:19 PMThere's gotta be. We'll get there eventually.
Rewatched the Assembly Cut. You all are right, no explanation for the egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Sep 18, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
Post by: judge death on Sep 18, 2021, 10:18:35 PM
The menu on the bluray do show the place etc but in movie: no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 18, 2021, 10:19:04 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 18, 2021, 10:19:04 PM
Is Alien 3, dare I say it...
Spoiler
really badly edited?
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 18, 2021, 10:50:07 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 18, 2021, 10:50:07 PM
It's actually really well edited.
But what they were given to edit was half baked ideas that could never be made coherent without changes the editor had no authority to make.
But what they were given to edit was half baked ideas that could never be made coherent without changes the editor had no authority to make.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 19, 2021, 01:22:37 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 19, 2021, 01:22:37 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Sep 18, 2021, 10:14:41 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 18, 2021, 09:59:19 PMThere's gotta be. We'll get there eventually.
Rewatched the Assembly Cut. You all are right, no explanation for the egg.
"The truth is out there." Somewhere there is a plausible explanation, a cut of the film showing two eggs being planted on board by none other than.. Burke! Yes he survived! The Hive didn't want that low life as part of their collective, so they sent him with eggs. XD jk
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 19, 2021, 05:28:27 AM
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 19, 2021, 05:28:27 AM
Just a random thought I had since the super face hugger made an appearance while I was listening to Sea of Sorrows. What if it actually lives on the Queen somewhere and it detaches, or alternatively travels with her once it's born since it's less organic than the standard hugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 19, 2021, 05:59:29 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 19, 2021, 05:59:29 AM
Then what was the egg for?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 19, 2021, 03:46:46 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 19, 2021, 03:46:46 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 19, 2021, 05:59:29 AM
Then what was the egg for?
The New Alien Cookbook. :p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Sep 19, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 19, 2021, 05:43:58 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 19, 2021, 05:59:29 AM
Then what was the egg for?
Her pleasure.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: LV-12986 on Sep 20, 2021, 05:18:47 PM
Post by: LV-12986 on Sep 20, 2021, 05:18:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 25, 2021, 08:21:44 AM
It'd make more sense to not show any egg(s) at all because there's no way one could logically be there.
Sometimes you've just got to accept there was no thought into it and there's no explanation that makes any sense.
It makes me laugh how some people feel the need to fall all over themselves to try and explain the magic egg yet no one seems to care that the Sulaco has suddenly had a paint job in flight and is now brown instead of grey :laugh:
And a change of cryotube shape and design :-X
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 20, 2021, 08:19:29 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 20, 2021, 08:19:29 PM
It would be sweet if Fox made another official edit of A3 where they cut out the egg and fix some of those rod-puppet effect issues digitally (sizing and lighting) as well as the final moat/sacrifice scene, while adding the best parallel/alternate scenes from each previous cut/edition. Not that it's ever going to happen...
I just choose not to think about how the egg ended up there as it automatically ruins the Bishop character for me...
I just choose not to think about how the egg ended up there as it automatically ruins the Bishop character for me...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 21, 2021, 11:05:15 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 21, 2021, 11:05:15 AM
It doesn't ruin Bishop at all because there's no conceivable time frame in which he could've gone to recover an egg and take it to the Sulaco in time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 12:11:09 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 12:11:09 PM
Yeah the Bishop argument had been settled and resettled many times over in this very thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 05:13:32 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 05:13:32 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 21, 2021, 11:05:15 AM
It doesn't ruin Bishop at all because there's no conceivable time frame in which he could've gone to recover an egg and take it to the Sulaco in time.
It's highly unlikely but not impossible that Bishop ran into some Xeno eggs once he left the rest of the team to crawl through that tunnel. As Bishop didn't have enough time to safely store the egg on the Sulaco without it being detected (or triggered to hatch) by Ripley & Co, he quickly hid it before going back to. The planet. He planned to analyze it etc. after Ripley & Co had entered cryosleep. But as he was torn to shreds by the queen he was incapable of relocating and storing the egg safely elsewhere one the ship as planned. Where those Colonial Marines directives/programming or W-Y directives/programming? I don't know.
All I'm saying that it's highly unlikely and un-Bishop-like, even convoluted and bordering to 'unrealistic', that Bishop is the one responsible for the egg's placement on the Sulaco, but it's far from impossible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 08:18:32 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 08:18:32 PM
The only time Bishop left the moon, Ripley and co were with him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 08:32:58 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 08:32:58 PM
By the time the second dropship touched down, Ripley and Hicks were with Bishop so he wouldn't have been able to stow them aboard secretly and under the countdown.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 08:47:57 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 08:47:57 PM
He could've still boarded the second dropship, taken it to the Sulaco, quickly hide the egg and then bolt back to the colony to pick up the survivors. It's defenitely a stretch and defenitely sound beyond time-optimistic with a huge window of failure, which would directly have Bishop responsible for knowingly prioritizing alien life over human life, but still... He is a company asset.
Again, I don't like that explanation at all as I rather just interpret the opening of A3 as a semi-awake, semi-cryosleep dreamlike nightmare blur of what actually happened. To me it's a mystery rather than a plot hole. It doesn't affect the rest of the movie for me other than setting the tone (it's a great opening sequence with or without the egg).
Again, I don't like that explanation at all as I rather just interpret the opening of A3 as a semi-awake, semi-cryosleep dreamlike nightmare blur of what actually happened. To me it's a mystery rather than a plot hole. It doesn't affect the rest of the movie for me other than setting the tone (it's a great opening sequence with or without the egg).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
People have already worked out the amount of time it takes the dropship to travel to the colony from the sulaco. He would need hours to do it not 20 minutes. It's not just a minor time discrepancy it's ginormous. Like I said also when the second drop ship arrives bishop is still on the ground and Ripley and Hicks are there to meet him.
Believe me every aspect has been combed through and given pages upon pages debate in this very thread. Bishop could not have put the eggs on the Sulaco given what we are shown in the film. You might as well say the egg just grew there by itself.
Believe me every aspect has been combed through and given pages upon pages debate in this very thread. Bishop could not have put the eggs on the Sulaco given what we are shown in the film. You might as well say the egg just grew there by itself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 21, 2021, 09:16:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 21, 2021, 09:16:55 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 08:54:22 PMPeople have already worked out the amount of time it takes the dropship to travel to the colony from the sulaco.
Bishop himself said it was "about fifty minutes flight-time" and that was going WITH the gravity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:21:43 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
People have already worked out the amount of time it takes the dropship to travel to the colony from the sulaco. He would need hours to do it not 20 minutes. It's not just a minor time discrepancy it's ginormous. Like I said also when the second drop ship arrives bishop is still on the ground and Ripley and Hicks are there to meet him.
Believe me every aspect has been combed through and given pages upon pages debate in this very thread. Bishop could not have put the eggs on the Sulaco given what we are shown in the film. You might as well say the egg just grew there by itself.
Ripley made it out of the Hive just in time and they left right before it blew up with way less than a minute to spare. That's good ol' plot armor luck. Cliché and unprobable, but hey, it still works.
Shortly after that, Ripley managed to climb and drag herself up from an an wide open hatch leading out to open space, defying the vacuum of space while having a giant creature grabbing onto her foot. Not only that, the powerloader she used to fight it with (!) was also tangled to the Queen. But that didn't stop Ripley from climbing up, open up the emergency closing mechanism etc. saving the day.
What does that have to do with the egg and Bishop? Well, it's highly unlikely and quite unrealistic that Bishop managed to do all of that in 20 minutes (fly back and forth from Sulaco with an egg), but so was the rest of the ending part of the movie. 20 minutes in a movie like this might as well be a couple of hours. So if the next Alien series movie director decides to imply that it indeed was Bishop that brought the egg, then sure - I'll fully accept it, just like how I accept the whole powerloader fight sequence. Unrealistic but well within the realm of possibility presented in the movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:24:40 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:24:40 PM
It would have taken 100 minutes to get there and back, it's impossible in 20.
If we ignore literally everything the film establishes that shows he categorically could not have placed the egg, then sure, it's possible. But at that point so is anything and nothing means anything any more.
If we ignore literally everything the film establishes that shows he categorically could not have placed the egg, then sure, it's possible. But at that point so is anything and nothing means anything any more.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 09:26:56 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 09:26:56 PM
But you are literally talking about things that are shown in the film. Bishop taking the egg is just something fans make up in there head to try and explain something in the sequel. Like I said you might as well just say the egg grew all by itself or wait until some film tries to pin it on Bishop.
But I say we agree to disagree. I've been in enough of these to know we aren't changing minds.
But I say we agree to disagree. I've been in enough of these to know we aren't changing minds.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:27:25 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:27:25 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:24:40 PM
It would have taken 100 minutes to get there and back, it's impossible in 20.
If we ignore literally everything the film establishes that shows he categorically could not have placed the egg, then sure, it's possible. But at that point so is anything and nothing means anything any more.
It's also impossible for Ripley to defy the vacuum of space the way she did, with a few tons of Xenomorph and powerloader latched onto her foot. But she did it. So if you can look past that, then yeah, 20 minutes is A LOT of time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 09:29:12 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 09:29:12 PM
Quote
But I say we agree to disagree. I've been in enough of these to know we aren't changing minds.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:33:09 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:27:25 PMThis is not how fiction works. At all. You're comparing two completely different things: one is the film ignoring reality - which films all do - and the other is the film ignoring its own reality.Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:24:40 PM
It would have taken 100 minutes to get there and back, it's impossible in 20.
If we ignore literally everything the film establishes that shows he categorically could not have placed the egg, then sure, it's possible. But at that point so is anything and nothing means anything any more.
It's also impossible for Ripley to defy the vacuum of space the way she did, with a few tons of Xenomorph and powerloader latched onto her foot. But she did it. So it you can look past that, then yeah, 20 minutes is A LOT of time.
Real world physics can take a hike. But if the film says it takes 50 minutes to get somewhere, it takes 50 minutes to get there. For Bishop to place the egg you have to contradict everything the film establishes, it does not "fit" with the story at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:33:17 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:33:17 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 09:26:56 PM
But I say we agree to disagree. I've been in enough of these to know we aren't changing minds.
Yup, there's a reason this thread just keeps on going and going and going... In the end there won't be any concensus unless some future Alien movie director decides to touch this topic.
...Or if Fox decides to alter the location of the egg digitally in some future A3 edition. Just place the egg inside the landing gear compartment, and there we go! The Queen brought it with her or laid it before she ripped Bishop in half.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Just cut the shot of the egg. It's that simple.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:43:15 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:33:09 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 21, 2021, 09:27:25 PMThis is not how fiction works. At all. You're comparing two completely different things: one is the film ignoring reality - which films all do - and the other is the film ignoring its own reality.Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:24:40 PM
It would have taken 100 minutes to get there and back, it's impossible in 20.
If we ignore literally everything the film establishes that shows he categorically could not have placed the egg, then sure, it's possible. But at that point so is anything and nothing means anything any more.
It's also impossible for Ripley to defy the vacuum of space the way she did, with a few tons of Xenomorph and powerloader latched onto her foot. But she did it. So it you can look past that, then yeah, 20 minutes is A LOT of time.
Real world physics can take a hike. But if the film says it takes 50 minutes to get somewhere, it takes 50 minutes to get there. For Bishop to place the egg you have to contradict everything the film establishes, it does not "fit" with the story at all.
Nope. They're the same. Time is defenitely HIGHLY relative in movies as well and can be stretched and circumvented in any way or manner to fit certain scenes. People can hold their breath for minutes, countdowns take forever and are always slowed down so that the hero can make it. People manage to squeeze in a lot of stuff in an unrealistic amount of time.
So yes indeed - Bishop could have made it back and forth from the Sulaco with that egg. However, since it has never been implied (yet) that he did it in any sequel or media, it's not a preferable go-to explanation. It screws around with the Bishop we all know and love, and it makes him feel more like the machine he is rather than the caring and soulful friend we see in ALIENS and A3.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
Just cut the shot of the egg. It's that simple.
Or that, which I suggested in my initial reply. I actually prefer it that way as it still preserves the mystery of how the egg got on board.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:55:24 PM
They're not the same. Films establish their own reality. Nothing about the planet or the Aliens or half the physics in the series is realistic, but that's ok because it's sci fi. You can't use the film ignoring outside reality to justify internal logic problems; otherwise, as I said, nothing matters and any explanation is possible. The egg just teleporting itself there is just as possible as Bishop if we go that route.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 09:24:40 PM
It would have taken 100 minutes to get there and back, it's impossible in 20.
If we ignore literally everything the film establishes that shows he categorically could not have placed the egg, then sure, it's possible. But at that point so is anything and nothing means anything any more.
What if Bishop got the eggs from the hive when he left to align the Dish and remote pilot the dropship? He had plenty of time to do both: 1 hr.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
.....Bishop was standing there with Hicks and Ripley when the dropship arrives. Was he like "oh excuse me while I wheel these alien eggs onboard you guys."
This thread is true purgatory.
This thread is true purgatory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 10:27:58 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 10:27:58 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 10:25:07 PM
.....Bishop was standing there with Hicks and Ripley when the dropship arrives. Was he like "oh excuse me while I wheel these alien eggs onboard you guys."
I meant when he goes and crawls in pipe and is outside alone with the dish. That'a way before Ellen and Hicks reach him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Yeah he's standing there alone with no egg when the dropship gets there, they get on board the dropship and leave to immediately. At no point is there time for Bishop to store an egg on the ship with Ripley amd Hicks right there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 21, 2021, 10:31:34 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 21, 2021, 10:31:34 PM
SM has already decreed that Bishop couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 10:34:15 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 10:34:15 PM
The true answer is that there isn't one. There is no satisfying or logical answer to why the egg is on the Sulaco in Alien 3. That's just the reality of it, nobody making that movie cared about continuity issues.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 10:39:57 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 10:39:57 PM
Another possibility is two eggs were stored in the lab, like the two alive facehuggers. Bishop didn't mention them, leaving the attention on the huggers, why he smuggled the eggs on board. That's actually an ingenious tactic, worthy of David.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 10:51:47 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 10:51:47 PM
That's not at all possible. The marines were in there first. The first dropship exploded, after having sat on the tarmac after landing. Bishop obviously did not take eggs with him into the tunnel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 11:09:07 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 11:09:07 PM
Sweet sassy mollasy :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:11:09 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:11:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 10:51:47 PM
That's not at all possible. The marines were in there first. The first dropship exploded, after having sat on the tarmac after landing. Bishop obviously did not take eggs with him into the tunnel.
Your saying its impossible Bishop got the eggs when he went alone to align the dish [the drop-ship that explodes wasn't piloted by Bishop]? I think its plausible.
As for eggs in the lab alternative, the Marines may not have focused on them being distracted by the Face Huggers or the eggs were stored somewhere hidden, perhaps a Weyland employee was given orders to hide them and so Bishop retrieves them.
I mean Ash obviously had orders to retrieve the Xenomorph. Why is it inconceivable to believe Bishop, another Android wasn't programmed by the company?
Plus it would add to religious symbolism, Bishop is the bishop and Ripley is the Host, The Eucharist; she even dies in Alien 3 in the shape of the cross.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 11:19:32 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 11:19:32 PM
It's like we are speaking different languages.
This is why SM left us
This is why SM left us
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:21:40 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 21, 2021, 11:19:32 PM
It's like we are speaking different languages.
This is why SM left us
Well you are Xeno, and I am Yautja (our avvies). So.. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 11:24:38 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 11:24:38 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:11:09 PMIt's not. He doesn't have time to get out there and back. It's like ten minutes to fly, let alone crawl.
Your saying its impossible Bishop got the eggs when he went alone to align the dish [the drop-ship that explodes wasn't piloted by Bishop]? I think its plausible.
QuoteAs for eggs in the lab alternative, the Marines may not have focused on them being distracted by the Face Huggers or the eggs were stored somewhere hidden, perhaps a Weyland employee was given orders to hide them and so Bishop retrieves them.Absolutely none of this is suggested or supported by the film. And, again, he very obviously does not carry eggs into the tunnel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:29:50 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 11:24:38 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:11:09 PMIt's not. He doesn't have time to get out there and back. It's like ten minutes to fly, let alone crawl.
Your saying its impossible Bishop got the eggs when he went alone to align the dish [the drop-ship that explodes wasn't piloted by Bishop]? I think its plausible.QuoteAs for eggs in the lab alternative, the Marines may not have focused on them being distracted by the Face Huggers or the eggs were stored somewhere hidden, perhaps a Weyland employee was given orders to hide them and so Bishop retrieves them.Absolutely none of this is suggested or supported by the film. And, again, he very obviously does not carry eggs into the tunnel.
I agree now that he had no time tp get eggs when he went to the dish, he explains how long to crawl there, prep the ship and etc. So you are right.
As for a Weyland employee hiding eggs for Bishop, I think that works, but yes there is no support for it in the film, but I like the theory, it then makes all androids a threat in all Alien films save Ressurection.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Sep 21, 2021, 11:33:02 PM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 21, 2021, 11:33:02 PM
Sometimes it just comes down to the fact that "life finds a way".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 11:50:41 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 11:50:41 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:29:50 PMBishop doesn't work for the Company. He doesn't carry any eggs with him. It doesn't work :laugh:
As for a Weyland employee hiding eggs for Bishop, I think that works, but yes there is no support for it in the film, but I like the theory, it then makes all androids a threat in all Alien films save Ressurection.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 12:01:37 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 12:01:37 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 21, 2021, 11:50:41 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 21, 2021, 11:29:50 PMBishop doesn't work for the Company. He doesn't carry any eggs with him. It doesn't work :laugh:
As for a Weyland employee hiding eggs for Bishop, I think that works, but yes there is no support for it in the film, but I like the theory, it then makes all androids a threat in all Alien films save Ressurection.
He doesn't work for the Company? Gosh I need to rewatch Aliens soon and pay attention to certain parts.
I still say it can work. :p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 12:16:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 12:16:25 AM
Assuming there are mystery eggs, how does he get them to the dropship without anyone seeing? He doesn't take them in the tunnel, they're not there when Ripley and Hicks arrive.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 12:20:32 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 12:20:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 12:16:25 AM
Assuming there are mystery eggs, how does he get them to the dropship without anyone seeing? He doesn't take them in the tunnel, they're not there when Ripley and Hicks arrive.
Could it be when he left and Ripley w/Newt arrive at the landing pad and she shouts "Bishop! Damn you!"? We know Hicks passed out from hus injury and morphine.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 12:46:07 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 12:46:07 AM
So he flew back to the colony, where all the Aliens are, left Hicks unconscious where all the Aliens are, grabbed the eggs, then went back to pick up Ripley?
Then how did he get them off the dropship if he gets town in half when he steps off?
None of it works.
Then how did he get them off the dropship if he gets town in half when he steps off?
None of it works.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 12:50:04 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 12:46:07 AM
So he flew back to the colony, where all the Aliens are, left Hicks unconscious where all the Aliens are, grabbed the eggs, then went back to pick up Ripley?
Then how did he get them off the dropship if he gets town in half when he steps off?
None of it works.
Its possible Xenos don't care about Androids/ see them as a threat, a la David. The Queen rips Bishop in half because he's in the way of her retribution towards Ripley.
Maybe he never got the eggs off the drop ship, and the facehuggers make their way to Ripley from the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 01:58:55 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 01:58:55 AM
That's why I mentioned Hicks. The Aliens just ignored him?
The egg clearly is not on the dropship, that's like half the problem.
None. Of. It. Works.
The egg clearly is not on the dropship, that's like half the problem.
None. Of. It. Works.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 02:08:54 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 02:08:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 01:58:55 AM
That's why I mentioned Hicks. The Aliens just ignored him?
The egg clearly is not on the dropship, that's like half the problem.
None. Of. It. Works.
Hicks was on a cabin toilet, like an airplane that locks. He went to the bathroom at just the right moment. :p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 02:33:21 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 02:33:21 AM
He was knocked out on painkillers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 04:15:52 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 04:15:52 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 02:33:21 AM
He was knocked out on painkillers.
I was joking. XD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 04:38:43 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 04:38:43 AM
I know, but I'll be damned if I don't fight this to the last :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 04:51:56 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Sep 22, 2021, 04:51:56 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 22, 2021, 04:38:43 AM
I know, but I'll be damned if I don't fight this to the last :laugh:
Lol ok Hicks visited the bathroom before passing out/ morphine, aliens attacked, Bishop got two eggs after wasting the Warrior Xenos. Bishop gives Hick's morphine, so he passes out, Bishop loads eggs on dropship and goes back to the landing pad where Ripley is shouting damn you. :p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 22, 2021, 06:01:15 AM
Post by: Some Old Dude on Sep 22, 2021, 06:01:15 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 19, 2021, 05:59:29 AM
Then what was the egg for?
Ah bugger I feel dumb. I forgot to elaborate that I the opening might make more sense if the egg would've had a run of the mill facehugger that got cut on Newts chamber. But I think I'm mixing up each cut of the film now.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 22, 2021, 07:49:53 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 22, 2021, 07:49:53 AM
Well that kicked off since I last posted :laugh:
I didn't read all of that but I assume the consensus is Bishop did do it after all?
I didn't read all of that but I assume the consensus is Bishop did do it after all?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 12:41:52 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 12:41:52 AM
Only place the eggs were at were the hive though. So you're telling me Bishop found the nest before Ripley? and took two eggs with him? onto the sulaco? and then made it back to pick Ripley/Newt up?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 01:26:17 AM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 01:26:17 AM
Were the other facehuggers the Marines found at the colony from the derelict, the queen, or egg morphing?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 01:42:51 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 01:42:51 AM
Colonists, likely the ones who went to rescue the Jordans.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 01:51:32 AM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 01:51:32 AM
Well, then they probably hadn't brought back any eggs to The Colony. If they had, I'd have to wonder if the company had sent any other communications or instructions regarding them to be kept secure somewhere on site.
Of course, I never understood how anybody was able to get Kane or the other colonists out of that cave without getting facehugged themselves. Plot armor, I guess.
Of course, I never understood how anybody was able to get Kane or the other colonists out of that cave without getting facehugged themselves. Plot armor, I guess.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 01:58:07 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 01:58:07 AM
Kane was on a winch.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 26, 2021, 04:55:24 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 26, 2021, 04:55:24 AM
Are we ready to agree that A Wizard Did It?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 05:15:09 AM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 05:15:09 AM
Agree?
This is no place for consensus.
This is no place for consensus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
Or we just admit it was a plot hole that nobody cared about when writing the script just so they could make a third movie. And we're just idiots trying to figure it out xD ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 26, 2021, 07:41:56 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 26, 2021, 07:41:56 AM
It's not even really in the script, it was thrown in towards the end. I seriously f**king hate the term plot hole but this c**t is a plot chasm.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:21:44 AM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:21:44 AM
Quote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
Or we just admit it was a plot hole that nobody cared about when writing the script just so they could make a third movie. And we're just idiots trying to figure it out xD ;D
Fanboy is gotta fanboy. We all know it's a plot hole and there's no way around it. But where's fun in just admitting that ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 08:28:10 AM
Post by: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 08:28:10 AM
Most logical explanation to date in my mind:
The alien queen onboard the drop ship, laid a small emergency egg, which is mostly a embryo, which she hid in the upper part of the rear landing bay(which the bluray menu shows too). There it grew to a size where the facehugger is mature enough, unlike normal eggs they are smaller and cant sustain the facehugger for as long hence it will hatch. It takes longer to gestate than a normal egg as well hence it was hatching well into the return home for sulaco.
The facehugger is a queen carrying one, either it looks like a normal facehugger or like super facehugger depending on which version you watch, it can also implant another embryo into a different host which will act as the queens protector.
problem solved^^
The alien queen onboard the drop ship, laid a small emergency egg, which is mostly a embryo, which she hid in the upper part of the rear landing bay(which the bluray menu shows too). There it grew to a size where the facehugger is mature enough, unlike normal eggs they are smaller and cant sustain the facehugger for as long hence it will hatch. It takes longer to gestate than a normal egg as well hence it was hatching well into the return home for sulaco.
The facehugger is a queen carrying one, either it looks like a normal facehugger or like super facehugger depending on which version you watch, it can also implant another embryo into a different host which will act as the queens protector.
problem solved^^
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 10:57:41 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 10:57:41 AM
Except the egg obviously isn't in the landing leg in the movie. If it was, there would never have been an issue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 26, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 26, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
It's in the maintenance corridor adjacent to inside of the landing strut. 😋
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 11:14:04 AM
Post by: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 11:14:04 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Sep 26, 2021, 11:02:58 AMCorrect, can see the bulkhead and cramped interior, which would be the case when placed here, I even made a sketch of the location the queen could easily have placed it, and that section is pretty much the frame and wiring and the mentioned bulkheads planes, jet planes etc is designed with:
It's in the maintenance corridor adjacent to inside of the landing strut. 😋
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 26, 2021, 04:11:04 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 26, 2021, 04:11:04 PM
I was going to continue where I left off, but whoa there's been a lot of activity since then. Several pages worth.
Anyways, I found this interesting explanation on Quora, which explains more in detail how Bishop technically could have done it without playing the relativity of time in movies card too hard...
"" 1. He volunteers to remote pilot the dropship from the Sulaco. In doing so he provides an exaggerated timeline as to how long it will take to crawl down the pipe to the uplink tower, how long it will take to align the dish (come on... it takes an hour to align the dish!?), and the flight time of the dropship itself. This gives him the time he needs.
2. Using his extra time, he brings down the dropship, grabs a couple of eggs (found some along the way to the antenna or even went back to the Derelict), docks with the Sulaco and places the eggs in the ship and in the escape pod area to ensure that there will be at least one xenomorph survivor, and then flies back to the uplink tower to await the arrival of the survivors. The facehuggers, of course, do not attack him because he is not organic and therefore is not a viable host.
3. To cover his ruse, he remote pilots the drop ship into the air so it can be seen landing when the survivors arrive.
Because he must have surviving hosts for the facehuggers, he is diligent to tend on everyone's wounds, and save Ripley and Newt (even after he is ripped in half!). His motivation is never to benefit the humans, only to assure the survival of viable hosts for the eggs he has placed. ""
...Just wanted to share that.
In the end they should just cut out the egg from the opening sequence, or digitally alter its surroundings/placement on screen. It's an easy fix because walking/crawling eggs or good ol Bishop being yet another evil company android are not the kind of explanations we want because they seem forced and out of character based on what we've seen in the movies.
Anyways, I found this interesting explanation on Quora, which explains more in detail how Bishop technically could have done it without playing the relativity of time in movies card too hard...
"" 1. He volunteers to remote pilot the dropship from the Sulaco. In doing so he provides an exaggerated timeline as to how long it will take to crawl down the pipe to the uplink tower, how long it will take to align the dish (come on... it takes an hour to align the dish!?), and the flight time of the dropship itself. This gives him the time he needs.
2. Using his extra time, he brings down the dropship, grabs a couple of eggs (found some along the way to the antenna or even went back to the Derelict), docks with the Sulaco and places the eggs in the ship and in the escape pod area to ensure that there will be at least one xenomorph survivor, and then flies back to the uplink tower to await the arrival of the survivors. The facehuggers, of course, do not attack him because he is not organic and therefore is not a viable host.
3. To cover his ruse, he remote pilots the drop ship into the air so it can be seen landing when the survivors arrive.
Because he must have surviving hosts for the facehuggers, he is diligent to tend on everyone's wounds, and save Ripley and Newt (even after he is ripped in half!). His motivation is never to benefit the humans, only to assure the survival of viable hosts for the eggs he has placed. ""
...Just wanted to share that.
In the end they should just cut out the egg from the opening sequence, or digitally alter its surroundings/placement on screen. It's an easy fix because walking/crawling eggs or good ol Bishop being yet another evil company android are not the kind of explanations we want because they seem forced and out of character based on what we've seen in the movies.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 04:14:15 PM
Quote from: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 11:14:04 AMQuote from: Trash Queen on Sep 26, 2021, 11:02:58 AMCorrect, can see the bulkhead and cramped interior, which would be the case when placed here, I even made a sketch of the location the queen could easily have placed it, and that section is pretty much the frame and wiring and the mentioned bulkheads planes, jet planes etc is designed with:
It's in the maintenance corridor adjacent to inside of the landing strut. 😋
Did you drew this ? :o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 04:44:08 PM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 26, 2021, 04:44:08 PM
The answer is quite simple, really.
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 08:27:48 PM
Post by: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 26, 2021, 04:11:04 PMYou'd think someone like Hudson, the highly panicky commtech, would jump on Bishop if he thought his numbers were whack.
"" 1. He volunteers to remote pilot the dropship from the Sulaco. In doing so he provides an exaggerated timeline as to how long it will take to crawl down the pipe to the uplink tower, how long it will take to align the dish (come on... it takes an hour to align the dish!?), and the flight time of the dropship itself. This gives him the time he needs.
Quote..Just wanted to share that.Like every "Bishop did it" scenario, it requires a lot of facts not in evidence and ignoring what's established. You might as well claim the egg teleported.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
I hate "Bishop did it" explanation so much. If it was a person I would probably spit in its face. And hit it with a shovel
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2021, 09:03:51 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2021, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Sep 26, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
It's in the maintenance corridor adjacent to inside of the landing strut. 😋
It's not on the dropship because the stanchion is obviously marked "SULACO".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 26, 2021, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 26, 2021, 09:23:00 PM
You can literally see the tongue in my cheek. lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 09:58:55 PM
Post by: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 26, 2021, 09:03:51 PMMight just be the doctrine of the colonial marines is to have the mother ships name written onboard the dropship it belongs to?Quote from: Trash Queen on Sep 26, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
It's in the maintenance corridor adjacent to inside of the landing strut. 😋
It's not on the dropship because the stanchion is obviously marked "SULACO".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 26, 2021, 10:07:46 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 26, 2021, 10:07:46 PM
It's not the main dropship interior, and it's far too cluttered/lit from above to be a downward facing landing gear well. It's not on the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 26, 2021, 11:51:10 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Sep 26, 2021, 11:51:10 PM
God d*mned stanchion >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2021, 12:04:08 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 27, 2021, 12:04:08 AM
"It's in the basement."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2021, 01:54:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 27, 2021, 01:54:01 AM
There's no basement at the Alamo!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 27, 2021, 03:04:09 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 27, 2021, 03:04:09 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 26, 2021, 08:27:48 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 26, 2021, 04:11:04 PMYou'd think someone like Hudson, the highly panicky commtech, would jump on Bishop if he thought his numbers were whack.
"" 1. He volunteers to remote pilot the dropship from the Sulaco. In doing so he provides an exaggerated timeline as to how long it will take to crawl down the pipe to the uplink tower, how long it will take to align the dish (come on... it takes an hour to align the dish!?), and the flight time of the dropship itself. This gives him the time he needs.
Not necessarily at that point. He had lost most of his composure by then and was clearly spinning. He gladly cheered for Bishop to go down that shaft tunnel, no questions asked. So no, at that point I don't think Hudson gave a single damn about numbers. He just wanted to get the hell out of there ASAP.
QuoteQuote..Just wanted to share that.Like every "Bishop did it" scenario, it requires a lot of facts not in evidence and ignoring what's established. You might as well claim the egg teleported.
Well, Cameron did that with the inclusion of the Hive and the Queen. Ripley saw eggs being morphed on the Nostromo and the organic structure was clearly similar to what she witnessed on Acheron, yet in ALIENS she all of a sudden had no idea how Alien eggs are made or what the hive structure was and what it was that secreted it...
I'm mentioning this as the Bishop/Egg explanation might at some point be verified (highly unlikely though), and then all of a sudden those 20 to 60+ minutes will be the time frame where he managed to get at least one egg on board via the second dropship before he came to pick up Ripley & Co.
The problem right now is that we don't have an actual explanation. It's insinuated that the Queen somehow brought the egg on board, but the location and angle suggest otherwise - the only explanation (other than walking/crawling eggs) is that someone/something placed the egg there off camera. But when? The only one who could have done that is Bishop and the only time he could've done it is off-camera during that time period he was away from the rest of the team... Yeah, it's circular as hell, yet it doesn't go anywhere.
Anyways, it's not a popular explanation (I don't like it either as it ruins the Bishop character for me), hence why I simply don't worry about it every time I watch A3. The opening scene is somewhat fast-paced and semi-dreamlike to begin with, with some fever dream shots and flickering details... The upside-down egg could easily be a part of some dream-state montage swiftly leading into the actual events.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 27, 2021, 03:13:23 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 27, 2021, 03:13:23 AM
QuoteSo no, at that point I don't think Hudson gave a single damn about numbers. He just wanted to get the hell out of there ASAP.Think about what you've just said. He wants to get out of there ASAP, so if he thought Bishop was fixing the numbers, that would mean waiting longer than necessary - which he doesn't want to do. I also mention him because he'd be most likely to know if Bishop was lying about aligning the antenna.
Cameron didn't really ignore anything from the theatrical cut of Alien (except adding a D to Weylan, I guess). Even if the scene was widely known, it was removed from the movie and didn't form part of the finished story. It's not at all the same as ignoring major plot points from the finished film.
You keep trying to make these sorts of false equivalences and they really are not working.
End of the day, it's a plot hole. The end.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Sep 27, 2021, 11:42:59 PM
Post by: Huggs on Sep 27, 2021, 11:42:59 PM
They could just make a sequel set right after the third movie and say there was more than one egg on the sulaco, and the company got it after the events of alien 3. And I believe there was supposed to be more at some point.
All we have to go on is bishop answering her question about a single alien. And he was badly damaged. Maybe there was another xeno that morphed into a queen while they were in cryo.
Or, like I said, maybe there were just more eggs. If you can have one, why not two? The egg makes sense, there's no retconning, and you can have sequels without weaver. Plus it means Ripley died for nothing, and that's cold. Cold fits the franchise.
Oh my God, it's just like the ending to Covenant.
All we have to go on is bishop answering her question about a single alien. And he was badly damaged. Maybe there was another xeno that morphed into a queen while they were in cryo.
Or, like I said, maybe there were just more eggs. If you can have one, why not two? The egg makes sense, there's no retconning, and you can have sequels without weaver. Plus it means Ripley died for nothing, and that's cold. Cold fits the franchise.
Oh my God, it's just like the ending to Covenant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2021, 08:19:07 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2021, 08:19:07 AM
Quote from: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 09:58:55 PMMight just be the doctrine of the colonial marines is to have the mother ships name written onboard the dropship it belongs to?
If it was just painted on that might fly, but actually stamped on the internal metal construction? Do the F/A-18s on Nimitz have the carrier's name stamped somewhere on their internal frame? Of course not. When they were building the planes the factory probably had no idea where they'd end up deployed.
Besides, what if the Sulaco is decommissioned and they want to put it on another ship? Do they have to try and re-stamp all the internal components?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 02, 2021, 08:28:16 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 02, 2021, 08:28:16 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:21:44 AMQuote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
Or we just admit it was a plot hole that nobody cared about when writing the script just so they could make a third movie. And we're just idiots trying to figure it out xD ;D
Fanboy is gotta fanboy. We all know it's a plot hole and there's no way around it. But where's fun in just admitting that ?
No, but i do just think we are literally have been overthinking this for years now.
Look from a fan's perspective I generally like to think or have told my self that over the years. The only logical explanation is that the queen stored/dropped two eggs on the dropship at some point or inside the landing gears. And that's how the eggs go there. Maybe they grew from spores, or spilled from the royal jelly from the queen while she was hiding.
Officially nobody f**king knows lol.
Or.. We go by another theory, that Alien 3 was a Dream. And the 4 survivors are still in deep hype sleep. And there was no eggs or third movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Drukathi on Oct 02, 2021, 10:15:07 AM
Post by: Drukathi on Oct 02, 2021, 10:15:07 AM
What if Alien 3 is not a cryo-nightmare of Ripley, but cryo-dream of Bishop?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 02, 2021, 10:30:11 AM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 02, 2021, 10:30:11 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Oct 02, 2021, 10:47:09 AM
Post by: judge death on Oct 02, 2021, 10:47:09 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2021, 08:19:07 AMNot us navy but I do know some airforces who do and in ww2 several cases.Quote from: judge death on Sep 26, 2021, 09:58:55 PMMight just be the doctrine of the colonial marines is to have the mother ships name written onboard the dropship it belongs to?
If it was just painted on that might fly, but actually stamped on the internal metal construction? Do the F/A-18s on Nimitz have the carrier's name stamped somewhere on their internal frame? Of course not. When they were building the planes the factory probably had no idea where they'd end up deployed.
Besides, what if the Sulaco is decommissioned and they want to put it on another ship? Do they have to try and re-stamp all the internal components?
For decommission: spaceships will be hundred of years old before they are scrapped, see nostromo, sulaco, betty etc, by the time that happens those drop ships have been scrapped and replaced by newer models long since then, heck in aliens fireteam elite we have new drop ship designs. If the doctrine is like that then they dont really swap the drop ships around, maybe a bit static aproach but how the colonial marines work and training I wouldnt put it past being possible.
A better example would be the british navy especielly during the age of sails when the landing boats and boats from the mothership had the motherships name printed on them at certain locations.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2021, 11:23:38 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2021, 11:23:38 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 02, 2021, 10:30:11 AMhttps://y.yarn.co/41200108-d0d6-40fd-a9ba-c5f2f676748c_text.gif
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: judge death on Oct 02, 2021, 10:47:09 AMNot us navy but I do know some airforces who do and in ww2 several cases.
Examples?
Again, not painting the name on the hull - actually stamping the metal of the internal frame like we see in the movie. I'd be incredibly surprised if that had ever happened anywhere.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Oct 02, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
Post by: judge death on Oct 02, 2021, 12:08:32 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2021, 11:23:38 AMTrying to find where I read the walrus scout planes on british battleships had the ships name printed on the inside of the cockpit but no luck so far, but I remember I read it somewhere, will come back if/when I find it again.Quote from: Kradan on Oct 02, 2021, 10:30:11 AMhttps://y.yarn.co/41200108-d0d6-40fd-a9ba-c5f2f676748c_text.gif
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:Quote from: judge death on Oct 02, 2021, 10:47:09 AMNot us navy but I do know some airforces who do and in ww2 several cases.
Examples?
Again, not painting the name on the hull - actually stamping the metal of the internal frame like we see in the movie. I'd be incredibly surprised if that had ever happened anywhere.
But I do know that the planes omboard the carriercrusier Gotland in the swedish navy had its planes having onboard the ID metal piece the ships name printed onboard. Is in the book: Kryssare: Med svenska flottans kryssare under 75 år.
But yeah its an odd and rare thing and mostly a thing of the past. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 04, 2021, 02:21:00 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 04, 2021, 02:21:00 AM
Quote from: Inverse Effect on Oct 02, 2021, 08:28:16 AMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:21:44 AMQuote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
Or we just admit it was a plot hole that nobody cared about when writing the script just so they could make a third movie. And we're just idiots trying to figure it out xD ;D
Fanboy is gotta fanboy. We all know it's a plot hole and there's no way around it. But where's fun in just admitting that ?
No, but i do just think we are literally have been overthinking this for years now.
Look from a fan's perspective I generally like to think or have told my self that over the years. The only logical explanation is that the queen stored/dropped two eggs on the dropship at some point or inside the landing gears. And that's how the eggs go there. Maybe they grew from spores, or spilled from the royal jelly from the queen while she was hiding.
Officially nobody f**king knows lol.
Or.. We go by another theory, that Alien 3 was a Dream. And the 4 survivors are still in deep hype sleep. And there was no eggs or third movie.
Or it's just a f**kup, and doesn't need an explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 05, 2021, 07:41:26 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 05, 2021, 07:41:26 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 04, 2021, 02:21:00 AMQuote from: Inverse Effect on Oct 02, 2021, 08:28:16 AMQuote from: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:21:44 AMQuote from: Inverse Effect on Sep 26, 2021, 07:06:56 AM
Or we just admit it was a plot hole that nobody cared about when writing the script just so they could make a third movie. And we're just idiots trying to figure it out xD ;D
Fanboy is gotta fanboy. We all know it's a plot hole and there's no way around it. But where's fun in just admitting that ?
No, but i do just think we are literally have been overthinking this for years now.
Look from a fan's perspective I generally like to think or have told my self that over the years. The only logical explanation is that the queen stored/dropped two eggs on the dropship at some point or inside the landing gears. And that's how the eggs go there. Maybe they grew from spores, or spilled from the royal jelly from the queen while she was hiding.
Officially nobody f**king knows lol.
Or.. We go by another theory, that Alien 3 was a Dream. And the 4 survivors are still in deep hype sleep. And there was no eggs or third movie.
Or it's just a f**kup, and doesn't need an explanation.
Well to be fair, they blew up the hive with a nuke. Not sure how you could make a sequel from that. But they somehow did by having two magic eggs be on the Sulaco!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 08:47:24 AM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 08:47:24 AM
WHAAAT !? Now there are two eggs ? We can't handle the existence of one !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Oct 05, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
Post by: Stitch on Oct 05, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 08:47:24 AMMaybe!
WHAAAT !? Now there are two eggs ? We can't handle the existence of one !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Oct 05, 2021, 12:41:07 PM
Post by: judge death on Oct 05, 2021, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 08:47:24 AM
WHAAAT !? Now there are two eggs ? We can't handle the existence of one !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 01:32:30 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 01:32:30 PM
I would post that picture myself but I don't know how to do that on my phone, so good job, judge death ! :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 06, 2021, 04:17:09 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on Oct 06, 2021, 04:17:09 AM
Quote from: judge death on Oct 05, 2021, 12:41:07 PMQuote from: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 08:47:24 AMhttps://i.imgflip.com/3pqyo3.jpg
WHAAAT !? Now there are two eggs ? We can't handle the existence of one !
LMAO
Two face huggers? One for the dog and one for Ripley?
Or if we go by the Assembly cut which is a brief reveal of the Royal Face Hugger Thingy. So one Face Hugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Oct 07, 2021, 06:33:06 PM
Post by: Stitch on Oct 07, 2021, 06:33:06 PM
Quote from: Inverse Effect on Oct 06, 2021, 04:17:09 AMRoyal facehugger and consort!Quote from: judge death on Oct 05, 2021, 12:41:07 PMQuote from: Kradan on Oct 05, 2021, 08:47:24 AMhttps://i.imgflip.com/3pqyo3.jpg
WHAAAT !? Now there are two eggs ? We can't handle the existence of one !
LMAO
Two face huggers? One for the dog and one for Ripley?
Or if we go by the Assembly cut which is a brief reveal of the Royal Face Hugger Thingy. So one Face Hugger.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 08, 2021, 08:44:23 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 08, 2021, 08:44:23 AM
After reading the new Alien 3 book, I actually like the alternate way that the egg grew inside Bishop, that kind of ties in with the Black Goo as well (seen to transform Elden in the Fire and Stone series). But of course, how could it walk into the ceiling?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 08, 2021, 10:31:33 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 08, 2021, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 26, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
I hate "Bishop did it" explanation so much. If it was a person I would probably spit in its face. And hit it with a shovel
It would work better if it was Burke, but hiw seems impossible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kel G 426 on Oct 11, 2021, 01:18:11 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Oct 11, 2021, 01:18:11 PM
QuoteWell, Cameron did that with the inclusion of the Hive and the Queen. Ripley saw eggs being morphed on the Nostromo and the organic structure was clearly similar to what she witnessed on Acheron, yet in ALIENS she all of a sudden had no idea how Alien eggs are made or what the hive structure was and what it was that secreted it...
That scene didn't make it into the movie until 2003, so it never happened as far as the sequel is concerned.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 11, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 11, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
I wonder if Marvel will explore this topic in any of the upcoming comics.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2021, 09:27:08 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2021, 09:27:08 PM
It'll never top the stellar job A:CM did explaining it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 12, 2021, 09:30:59 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 12, 2021, 09:30:59 PM
RIP Turk.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 12, 2021, 09:31:15 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 12, 2021, 09:31:15 PM
So what was the explanation ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 12, 2021, 09:31:15 PM
So what was the explanation ?
It's just Randy laughing and rolling around in the money people gave him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 12, 2021, 10:14:47 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 12, 2021, 10:14:47 PM
But how does that conjure Magic Egg ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2021, 10:59:23 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 12, 2021, 10:59:23 PM
He's a magician.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 13, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 13, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 12, 2021, 10:14:47 PM
But how does that conjure Magic Egg ?
The Facehugger laid another egg, its called Face-Layer. :p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 13, 2021, 11:12:32 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 13, 2021, 11:12:32 PM
This thread still alive. Good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 13, 2021, 11:41:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 13, 2021, 11:41:08 PM
We can't reach consensus without SM.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 13, 2021, 11:44:32 PM
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 13, 2021, 11:44:32 PM
So nothing changed and he is still gone, maybe he finally got bored of here after all those years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 14, 2021, 04:08:03 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 14, 2021, 04:08:03 PM
This is why we need a steady stream of canon wars. It keeps the blood flowing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:25:08 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:25:08 PM
I still think the Queen laid emergency eggs, she knew her Hive was gone and needed insurance to secure the survival of her species. If this was canonized, Alien 3 becomes the Queen's revenge, that Ripley defeated her, but then is impregnated with a Queen. Then the bond in Ressurection becomes a nice change, for three movies its been the Queen and Ripley:
Queen is the Enemy
Queen is the Baby
Queen is part of Ripley 8's Blood and Nature
What a development, to go from sworn enemies to being One!
Queen is the Enemy
Queen is the Baby
Queen is part of Ripley 8's Blood and Nature
What a development, to go from sworn enemies to being One!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Laid them where?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Laid them where?
I am theorist not a doctor. :p
My best guess is the drop ship she exits when she cuts Bishop in half. She had time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Laid them where?
I am theorist not a doctor. :p
My best guess is the drop ship she exists when she cute Bishop in half. She had time.
Dropship landing gear is literally the only place she could have laid them, and there is absolutely zero chance that a hardened survivor like Ripley wouldn't check there before putting everyone into Hypersleep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:36 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 14, 2021, 04:08:03 PM
This is why we need a steady stream of canon wars. It keeps the blood flowing.
Canon wars are always going on. Regardless of people admitting it or not
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 14, 2021, 04:50:49 PM
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Oct 14, 2021, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PM
I am theorist not a doctor. :p
McCoy has met his match!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:52:00 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:07 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Laid them where?
I am theorist not a doctor. :p
My best guess is the drop ship she exists when she cute Bishop in half. She had time.
Dropship landing gear is literally the only place she could have laid them, and there is absolutely zero chance that a hardened survivor like Ripley wouldn't check there before putting everyone into Hypersleep.
It is possible Ripley believed the Queen could only lay eggs with the egg sack. So she didn't consider emergancy egg laying.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Oct 14, 2021, 05:22:50 PM
Post by: Stitch on Oct 14, 2021, 05:22:50 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:52:00 PMBy the end she's in full on mommy survivalist mode, along with some post traumatic paranoia, probably. She'd check everywhere. Twice.Quote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:07 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Laid them where?
I am theorist not a doctor. :p
My best guess is the drop ship she exists when she cute Bishop in half. She had time.
Dropship landing gear is literally the only place she could have laid them, and there is absolutely zero chance that a hardened survivor like Ripley wouldn't check there before putting everyone into Hypersleep.
It is possible Ripley believed the Queen could only lay eggs with the egg sack. So she didn't consider emergancy egg laying.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 07:12:42 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 07:12:42 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 14, 2021, 05:22:50 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:52:00 PMBy the end she's in full on mommy survivalist mode, along with some post traumatic paranoia, probably. She'd check everywhere. Twice.Quote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:07 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Laid them where?
I am theorist not a doctor. :p
My best guess is the drop ship she exists when she cute Bishop in half. She had time.
Dropship landing gear is literally the only place she could have laid them, and there is absolutely zero chance that a hardened survivor like Ripley wouldn't check there before putting everyone into Hypersleep.
It is possible Ripley believed the Queen could only lay eggs with the egg sack. So she didn't consider emergancy egg laying.
Yeah, no way she doesn't check the one place there may be a nasty surprise (and probably a few others too). If I have to get a spider out of the bedroom, I check around the place for a good half an hour before going to bed. If you've just got rid of a giant alien with acid for blood, I'd imagine you'd scour every inch of that ship before even thinking of getting some shuteye. Not like she had any reason to rush...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Oct 14, 2021, 07:25:52 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Oct 14, 2021, 07:25:52 PM
The events of Alien3 prove otherwise. :laugh:
Even though it was a gag you can hear a hugger running around at the end of Aliens as well.
So she definitely didn't look hard enough.
Even though it was a gag you can hear a hugger running around at the end of Aliens as well.
So she definitely didn't look hard enough.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 14, 2021, 07:54:45 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 14, 2021, 07:54:45 PM
:D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
You guys are also forgetting the big argument about girders we just had, it can't be the dropship.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 08:39:24 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
You guys are also forgetting the big argument about girders we just had, it can't be the dropship.
Yes, it can't be the dropship. At the same time, it can't not be the dropship. But then, if it was the dropship, it would have been found by Ripley. And it could have been Bishop, but it can't be Bishop. Consensus...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 08:57:24 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 08:57:24 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Oct 14, 2021, 05:22:50 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:52:00 PMBy the end she's in full on mommy survivalist mode, along with some post traumatic paranoia, probably. She'd check everywhere. Twice.Quote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:49:07 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 14, 2021, 04:39:33 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 04:36:04 PM
Laid them where?
I am theorist not a doctor. :p
My best guess is the drop ship she exists when she cute Bishop in half. She had time.
Dropship landing gear is literally the only place she could have laid them, and there is absolutely zero chance that a hardened survivor like Ripley wouldn't check there before putting everyone into Hypersleep.
It is possible Ripley believed the Queen could only lay eggs with the egg sack. So she didn't consider emergancy egg laying.
I don't know, after the Queen is jettisoned into space, Ripley goes into calm and happy gear with Newt. So she may have not che ked.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:40:55 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:40:55 PM
It was clearly a Wizard.
And we've already established that Randy is a magician, and he made the "official" sequel.
Wizard!
And we've already established that Randy is a magician, and he made the "official" sequel.
Wizard!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 14, 2021, 09:44:37 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 14, 2021, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
You guys are also forgetting the big argument about girders we just had, it can't be the dropship.
They always forget.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:46:55 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 14, 2021, 09:46:55 PM
Maybe David did it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 14, 2021, 09:56:05 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 14, 2021, 09:56:05 PM
Are you saying Magic Egg was David's failed attempt to create himself a dick ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 14, 2021, 10:59:34 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 14, 2021, 10:59:34 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Oct 14, 2021, 08:39:24 PMYes, it can't be the dropship. At the same time, it can't not be the dropship. But then, if it was the dropship, it would have been found by Ripley. And it could have been Bishop, but it can't be Bishop.
For any Red Dwarf fans here, this made me think of the episode where Kryten's head keeps exploding.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 15, 2021, 12:46:52 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 15, 2021, 12:46:52 AM
Does any of the Alien 3 Script Drafts have an explanation for the eggs. Otherwise I blame a hidden Predalien or Carrier Alien. :p
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 15, 2021, 04:00:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 15, 2021, 04:00:31 AM
Not really.
Gibson had one growing out of Bishop, which was the closest we got. For the finished film the egg wasn't even in the script initially and only added later after filming had ended.
Most scripts gave no explanation.
Gibson had one growing out of Bishop, which was the closest we got. For the finished film the egg wasn't even in the script initially and only added later after filming had ended.
Most scripts gave no explanation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 15, 2021, 04:54:56 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 15, 2021, 04:54:56 AM
That's interesting a Synthetic host.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 15, 2021, 05:52:14 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 15, 2021, 05:52:14 AM
No, as in an egg growing out of Bishop, presumably planted by the Queen when it impaled him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 15, 2021, 09:33:25 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 15, 2021, 09:33:25 AM
Yeah, it's implied she deposited something inside him, intentionally or otherwise, that then grows into an egg while he's in stasis.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2021, 12:52:04 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2021, 12:52:04 AM
Kind of weird that putting whatever space goo she had on her tail inside an android would make Egg grow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 16, 2021, 02:34:02 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 16, 2021, 02:34:02 AM
I can't decide whether it's pure David engineering, or Bishop regurgitating a mini-royal facehugger that somehow grows into the mysterious egg.
However, I am concerned about the serious implications of that. I refer to the prophecy of The One who will bring consensus to the Egg on Sulaco. The chosen one may be or may be not from UK..
However, I am concerned about the serious implications of that. I refer to the prophecy of The One who will bring consensus to the Egg on Sulaco. The chosen one may be or may be not from UK..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 16, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 16, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2021, 12:52:04 AM
Kind of weird that putting whatever space goo she had on her tail inside an android would make Egg grow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Some Old Dude on Oct 16, 2021, 01:04:35 PM
Post by: Some Old Dude on Oct 16, 2021, 01:04:35 PM
Just got out of a 70mm print screening of Aliens. How about the the acid next to Bishops shoe before he gets impaled being some kind of spore that grows into an egg slowly? It's not like the queen is pissing acid any time else in the scene and I assume the egg is hanging just on the other side of the loading bay.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 16, 2021, 03:01:34 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 16, 2021, 03:01:34 PM
Huh
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Oct 16, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Oct 16, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Egg on the taco
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Oct 17, 2021, 02:44:35 AM
Post by: judge death on Oct 17, 2021, 02:44:35 AM
I would see that as a sign of that yes, hence I point back to my theory is the most likely.
but in the end its like someone else wrote: they shot all of the movie and at the end gave the task to whoever to come up with a explanation to how it happened and just decided to shot the egg scene, with not much planning and probably done in a hurry.
but in the end its like someone else wrote: they shot all of the movie and at the end gave the task to whoever to come up with a explanation to how it happened and just decided to shot the egg scene, with not much planning and probably done in a hurry.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huggs on Oct 18, 2021, 02:49:21 AM
Post by: Huggs on Oct 18, 2021, 02:49:21 AM
The Queen has leakage.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 18, 2021, 08:10:08 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 18, 2021, 08:10:08 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2021, 12:52:04 AMKind of weird that putting whatever space goo she had on her tail inside an android would make Egg grow.
Substantially less weird than eggs/Aliens appearing out of nowhere, though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 18, 2021, 11:22:49 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 18, 2021, 11:22:49 AM
Makes me think of Psykore's Alien Fear Campaigns, where they're just straight up supernatural.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 21, 2021, 07:08:37 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Oct 21, 2021, 07:08:37 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 16, 2021, 09:01:26 AMQuote from: Samhain13 on Oct 16, 2021, 12:52:04 AM
Kind of weird that putting whatever space goo she had on her tail inside an android would make Egg grow.
This message comes to you from Ridley Scott. XD
https://i.imgur.com/ViHww1n.jpg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 22, 2021, 12:36:34 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Oct 22, 2021, 12:36:34 AM
to this day the most reasonable explanation I have heard -- was it SM? -- for that continuity issue is - it's ripley's dream "making sense" of what is happening around her, more or less. So the egg isn't there in reality but rather a suggestion that there's a facehugger with them (via association). As for how the facehugger would be there... could have stowed away at some point
Most other explanations just kinda aren't feasible for me
Most other explanations just kinda aren't feasible for me
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 22, 2021, 12:58:40 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 22, 2021, 12:58:40 AM
Pretty much, the Egg's a dream, the Facehugger's real unfortunately, this also explains the Sulaco suddenly appearing more like the Nostromo through Ripley's eyes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
It's the only viable answer but for some reason this thread is pushing 300 pages.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
Is the egg still on Sulaco?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 22, 2021, 04:14:47 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 22, 2021, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2021, 01:57:11 PM
Is the egg still on Sulaco?
It never was... :o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Oct 22, 2021, 05:14:38 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Oct 22, 2021, 05:14:38 PM
The Sulaco was the egg the whole time
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 22, 2021, 05:45:18 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 22, 2021, 05:45:18 PM
Was it laid by Nostromo-Queen ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 07:48:10 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 07:48:10 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 22, 2021, 05:45:18 PM
Was it laid by Nostromo-Queen ?
"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 22, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 22, 2021, 07:50:24 PM
He's the funniest character we've ever had
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Oct 22, 2021, 08:09:54 PM
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Oct 22, 2021, 08:09:54 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned before on this thread. Apologies if it has.
The ALIEN 3 menu of the Blu Ray ALIEN Anthology looks like it shows a scenario for the possible explanation for the egg on the Sulaco.
And if you go the the Alien heading at the top of this web page. Then to ALIEN 3 this is a quote from the storyline.
It says "Just before the queen alien was sucked into space in Aliens, she managed to lay an egg on the Sulaco and while Ripley and the other survivors are on the way back to earth, the facehugger tries to attack the hibernating passengers."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
It's the simplest answer but unsatisfying once you get into the weeds of it, as this threads size is testament to.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Did Colonial Marines actually give an explanation? The Egg was in the ceiling between the cryotubes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:19:35 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 22, 2021, 08:19:35 PM
It just has most of the Sulaco infested, so yes and no.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 22, 2021, 08:35:16 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 22, 2021, 08:35:16 PM
Magic Infestation, then ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Oct 22, 2021, 09:40:25 PM
Post by: judge death on Oct 22, 2021, 09:40:25 PM
colonial marines story is a mess, still dont get what happened in the game or why sulaco is adrift and infested and wtf happened and why the whole planet is full of xenos, the game made a poor explanation as I still dont get it. xD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2021, 09:45:54 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Oct 22, 2021, 09:45:54 PM
I think Alien 3: The Gun had a better story.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 22, 2021, 09:52:38 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 22, 2021, 09:52:38 PM
But...
Aliens: Colonial Marines will make Alien 3 a better film (https://www.videogamer.com/news/aliens-colonial-marines-will-make-alien-3-a-better-film/)
Aliens: Colonial Marines will make Alien 3 a better film (https://www.videogamer.com/news/aliens-colonial-marines-will-make-alien-3-a-better-film/)
Quote"After this game, Alien 3 is a better film," Randy Pitchford told Joystiq. "I think [Alien 3] is a great film, but I think that when we came off of Aliens, some of us wanted something different. Also, there were some weird things that we didn't quite make sense of. Inconsistencies with the canon that were created. And it turns out that they're not inconsistencies – there are reasons for things. And we get to be the ones that get to connect all that up and make it clear [...] The fact that we can do it in video game form is just amazing."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 23, 2021, 01:34:57 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Oct 23, 2021, 01:34:57 AM
Clearly if Randy said it must be true.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 23, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 23, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
Just checking in to add my regular 6-monthly reminder that the most logical explanation is simply that there is a story between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet. This is why everyone is now in a different cryosleep room, and will explain why there were xenos on board the Sulaco. No 'emergency egg', no 'Queen stinging Bishop', no egg morphing, no walking eggs, no Bishop miraculously finding the time to get two eggs and sneak them on board then for unknown reasons planting them in an unlikely position... Just simple events between movies, another encounter.
Until next time...
Until next time...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 23, 2021, 02:00:51 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 23, 2021, 02:00:51 PM
Yeah, what we need is Magic Egg: An Alien Story ! Right, everybody ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 23, 2021, 02:13:01 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 23, 2021, 02:13:01 PM
I think the Queen found Turk's twin (Amanda's grandson) hanging around, and then she used her royal jelly for ovomorphing purposes. So the runner, besides being Turk²'s son, is also Ripley's great-great-grandson.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Oct 23, 2021, 07:04:14 PM
Post by: Stitch on Oct 23, 2021, 07:04:14 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Oct 23, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
Just checking in to add my regular 6-monthly reminder that the most logical explanation is simply that there is a story between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet. This is why everyone is now in a different cryosleep room, and will explain why there were xenos on board the Sulaco. No 'emergency egg', no 'Queen stinging Bishop', no egg morphing, no walking eggs, no Bishop miraculously finding the time to get two eggs and sneak them on board then for unknown reasons planting them in an unlikely position... Just simple events between movies, another encounter.
Until next time...
Ohhhhhhh, like Out of the Shadows? Yeah, that makes sense. It has to fit before ACM, though. Cos that's canon. Totally.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 23, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 23, 2021, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Oct 23, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
Just checking in to add my regular 6-monthly reminder that the most logical explanation is simply that there is a story between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet. This is why everyone is now in a different cryosleep room, and will explain why there were xenos on board the Sulaco. No 'emergency egg', no 'Queen stinging Bishop', no egg morphing, no walking eggs, no Bishop miraculously finding the time to get two eggs and sneak them on board then for unknown reasons planting them in an unlikely position... Just simple events between movies, another encounter.
Until next time...
Only if it's Ripley8's new time-travelling nemesis what done it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 23, 2021, 08:13:18 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 23, 2021, 08:13:18 PM
The most logical explanation is that what we see in the opening credits isn't literal.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 23, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Oct 23, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 23, 2021, 08:13:18 PM
The most logical explanation is that what we see in the opening credits isn't literal.
Same as the following 2 hours... ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 23, 2021, 11:15:16 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 23, 2021, 11:15:16 PM
Quote from: SiL on Oct 23, 2021, 08:13:18 PM
The most logical explanation is that what we see in the opening credits isn't literal.
Except that runs into the same problem as all the other aforementioned theories in that it doesn't fit/isn't logical at all, since that would require Ripley to dream up a superhugger that she has never seen before exactly as it appears when held by one of the prisoners in the abattoir, the burn to appear on the cryotube exactly where Ripley dreamed it, and for the cryotubes themselves in the EEV that we see Ripley lay in on Fiorina 161 for a medscan aided by Aaron to be 'not literal'. The simplest way to explain everything that we see (outside of the reality of "production issues") would be to accept that it can't be explained by what we have seen so far alone (as is evident by this infinitely looping thread) therefore adding a small piece (whether that be in the form of a comic book, a novel, a short, an audio drama) could remedy this - Colonial Marines had this opportunity and just messed it up further, but there's nothing stopping it being done properly. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 23, 2021, 11:36:28 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 23, 2021, 11:36:28 PM
We can see Ripley move during the opening scene though, when the cryotube breaks, half awake.
The opening scenes use a standard facehugger design, in none does it use the "Super Facehugger" that we see later.
The opening scenes use a standard facehugger design, in none does it use the "Super Facehugger" that we see later.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 24, 2021, 12:23:01 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 24, 2021, 12:23:01 AM
Quote from: Its_Auto on Oct 23, 2021, 11:15:16 PMThat's not what we see in the opening credits - which further lends to it not being literal.
asince that would require Ripley to dream up a superhugger that she has never seen before exactly as it appears when held by one of the prisoners in the abattoir,
Quotethe burn to appear on the cryotube exactly where Ripley dreamed it,The opening credits don't give enough detail to say exactly where it is, just that there is a burn.
Quoteand for the cryotubes themselves in the EEV that we see Ripley lay in on Fiorina 161 for a medscan aided by Aaron to be 'not literal'.That's easily handwaved as a production design consideration though. It doesn't need an in universe expansion.
It was a fever dream in hypersleep explains away the one thing that actually needs explaining - the position of the egg - without relying on introducing anything to the plot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 25, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 25, 2021, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Oct 22, 2021, 08:09:54 PMI don't know if this has been mentioned before on this thread. Apologies if it has.
It's been mentioned.
And it absolutely doesn't work because no way would Ripley have gone to bed without checking inside the dropship where the Queen had been hiding.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 25, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 25, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
And also it is clearly, CLEARLY not in the dropship in the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 25, 2021, 12:19:55 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 25, 2021, 12:19:55 PM
CDL very much suggested it is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 26, 2021, 08:16:51 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Oct 26, 2021, 08:16:51 AM
It's the only place it could possibly be.
Yet it can't possibly have been there.
Schrodinger's ovomorph.
Yet it can't possibly have been there.
Schrodinger's ovomorph.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2021, 07:49:51 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Oct 26, 2021, 07:49:51 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 26, 2021, 08:16:51 AM
It's the only place it could possibly be.
Yet it can't possibly have been there.
Schrodinger's ovomorph.
Hey, I like how it sounds.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 26, 2021, 08:11:31 PM
Post by: SiL on Oct 26, 2021, 08:11:31 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 25, 2021, 12:19:55 PMI'm aware. That doesn't suddenly make it a viable option from what we see in the movie.
CDL very much suggested it is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 04:22:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 04:22:32 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That video is 2 weeks old! :o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 04:30:30 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 04:30:30 PM
He's alive !
There's one posted 5 hours ago !
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That video is 2 weeks old! :o
There's one posted 5 hours ago !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:48:41 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 04:30:30 PM
He's alive !Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That video is 2 weeks old! :o
There's one posted 5 hours ago !
Yay!
Spoiler
https://youtu.be/PmoJVbzedTc
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 08:21:07 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That video is 2 weeks old! :o
FF to 8:45. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 18, 2022, 08:57:33 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 18, 2022, 08:57:33 PM
Yay SM!
As tradition dictates, I had a beer and watched with glee. Brings back memories of better times. I'm glad SM is still active, hope all is well with him and his family.
Video was a nice distillation of the things discussed in this very long and repetitive thread. Good stuff 👏
As tradition dictates, I had a beer and watched with glee. Brings back memories of better times. I'm glad SM is still active, hope all is well with him and his family.
Video was a nice distillation of the things discussed in this very long and repetitive thread. Good stuff 👏
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 09:02:35 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 09:02:35 PM
So once again, this is rumor control, I want me some facts. How did Egg get on board of Sulaco ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 18, 2022, 10:25:08 PM
Post by: NoStyleDutch on Mar 18, 2022, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 09:02:35 PM
So once again, this is rumor control, I want me some facts. How did Egg get on board of Sulaco ?
A warrior xeno dropped it off after traveling through a hole in the plot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 12:47:19 AM
Post by: St_Eddie on Mar 19, 2022, 12:47:19 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 18, 2022, 09:02:35 PM
So once again, this is rumor control, I want me some facts. How did Egg get on board of Sulaco ?
A space wizard did it!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 12:50:50 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 12:50:50 AM
f**k this thread lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 19, 2022, 12:52:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 19, 2022, 12:52:51 AM
Consensus first, then we f**k it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 01:02:16 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 01:02:16 AM
How kinky
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 19, 2022, 01:06:52 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 19, 2022, 01:06:52 AM
This thread will outlive us like cockroaches.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 09:40:06 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 19, 2022, 09:40:06 AM
It's non-diegetic, like the transmission playing at the end of the film, it is not actually happening because that does not make sense although we can think up potential reasons, it simply exists for the visual and auditory texture of the film, whilst only the audience's present in both cases.
Edited addendum:
Alien³'s not a dream because of this fact, anymore than Aliens because of the non-diegetic or diegetic noise in the credits, or Alien Covenant letting us know it's in on the show with us by using the life theme in both ways once each in the film.
Edited addendum:
Alien³'s not a dream because of this fact, anymore than Aliens because of the non-diegetic or diegetic noise in the credits, or Alien Covenant letting us know it's in on the show with us by using the life theme in both ways once each in the film.
Title: Re: The consensus is almost here!
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 02:57:46 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 02:57:46 AM
It's not a dream cos David is the Egg on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 22, 2022, 06:22:46 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 22, 2022, 06:22:46 AM
Wrong, David is Michael Bishop at the end of the movie
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2022, 09:12:38 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2022, 09:12:38 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Mar 22, 2022, 10:17:43 PM
Post by: judge death on Mar 22, 2022, 10:17:43 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2022, 08:21:07 PMMade me laugh, happy to see SM is around and hope he will come back to the forum, and laughed as he still have his rivalry with local trouble xD Knew it would make you happy :PQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 18, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
That video is 2 weeks old! :o
FF to 8:45. ;D
SM missed that in avp movies the eggs could hatch and the facehugger to go host hunting without being triggered.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2022, 10:34:35 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2022, 10:34:35 PM
I don't think missed so much as omitted.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Mar 22, 2022, 10:46:14 PM
Post by: judge death on Mar 22, 2022, 10:46:14 PM
That might be it. :)
Title: Re: The consensus is almost here!
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Apr 01, 2022, 04:17:12 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Apr 01, 2022, 04:17:12 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 22, 2022, 02:57:46 AM
It's not a dream cos David is the Egg on the Sulaco.
David has become his creation: "The Perfect Organism."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 04, 2022, 03:32:52 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Apr 04, 2022, 03:32:52 PM
l haven't been here in a while and thread is still active. Haha.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2022, 03:33:52 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2022, 03:33:52 PM
That's because you're still a mystery after all these years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Apr 04, 2022, 03:55:33 PM
Post by: Kradan on Apr 04, 2022, 03:55:33 PM
Yeah, Alien 3, start making sense !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 04, 2022, 04:14:37 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 04, 2022, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Apr 04, 2022, 03:32:52 PM
l haven't been here in a while and thread is still active. Haha.
Same old shit, man.
No wonder no-one ever comes down here anymore.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 14, 2022, 11:46:09 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 14, 2022, 11:46:09 PM
There are no reports from the SCP Foundation about the egg yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Apr 15, 2022, 06:23:12 PM
Post by: Stitch on Apr 15, 2022, 06:23:12 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 14, 2022, 11:46:09 PMThey're still trying to work out where it came from as well
There are no reports from the SCP Foundation about the egg yet?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2022, 01:14:08 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 17, 2022, 01:14:08 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2020, 07:36:26 AM
For the love of God, can we please get some consensus up in here?! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 17, 2022, 01:46:51 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 17, 2022, 01:46:51 AM
I'm pretty certain that analogous to the sea of information in Ghost in the Shell this thread has accidentally created an AI* that ultimately decided to fully dedicate it's existence to becoming the scourge for this forum.
*Anti-Intelligence
*Anti-Intelligence
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on May 22, 2022, 08:15:22 AM
Post by: Kradan on May 22, 2022, 08:15:22 AM
Happy 30th Anniversary, Egg on Sulaco !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on May 22, 2022, 11:20:47 AM
Post by: Stitch on May 22, 2022, 11:20:47 AM
You have no idea how excited I got seeing that this thread had a new post.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on May 22, 2022, 11:48:03 AM
Post by: Kradan on May 22, 2022, 11:48:03 AM
Any ideas how it got there ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on May 22, 2022, 11:04:28 PM
Post by: Stitch on May 22, 2022, 11:04:28 PM
Guess we'll find out in about 157 years
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on May 22, 2022, 11:32:36 PM
Post by: Kradan on May 22, 2022, 11:32:36 PM
Wow, that soon ? Can't wait
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Jun 19, 2022, 11:11:23 PM
Post by: windebieste on Jun 19, 2022, 11:11:23 PM
Yes. The egg can be explained. No. Some people don't want it explained; because then they will have to accept it as Lore.
Guess what? It's been Lore for thirty years. Learn to love it.
-Windebieste.
Guess what? It's been Lore for thirty years. Learn to love it.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 19, 2022, 11:17:08 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 19, 2022, 11:17:08 PM
That's why my theory doesn't involve dreams.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 01:30:45 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 01:30:45 AM
Not for much longer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 20, 2022, 01:37:13 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 20, 2022, 01:37:13 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 19, 2022, 11:11:23 PMYes. The egg can be explained.
-Windebieste.
In my humble opinión, Egg on Sulaco is the epítome of human civilization and the resilience we, as a species, embody.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 20, 2022, 01:46:10 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 20, 2022, 01:46:10 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 01:30:45 AMNot for much longer.
Is Blomkamp getting his movie after all?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 02:21:56 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 02:21:56 AM
Hahahaha
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jun 20, 2022, 03:47:48 AM
Post by: Stitch on Jun 20, 2022, 03:47:48 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jun 19, 2022, 11:11:23 PMYes. The egg can be explained. No. Some people don't want it explained; because then they will have to accept it as Lore.It can be explained. Whether that explains holds water and is accepted by all the fanbase is what's being debated, really.
Guess what? It's been Lore for thirty years. Learn to love it.
-Windebieste.
What one person terms lore is another person's fan-wank.
Which is why this thread still exists.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jun 20, 2022, 05:10:42 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 20, 2022, 05:10:42 AM
It got there because movie had to happen . Period. The end.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 05:44:47 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 05:44:47 AM
It didn't even need to be there for that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 10:38:12 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 10:38:12 AM
You can cut everything before the EEV descending from the sky and it would only improve the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 10:40:12 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 10:40:12 AM
It would make the 40 minutes it takes Ripley to get to Bishop actually result in her finding something out the audience hasn't known since the opening credits.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 11:04:38 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 11:04:38 AM
If A34K doesn't do it already, when it comes out, could I pay you to do exactly that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 07:50:20 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 07:50:20 PM
I'm already working on a version that removes the Alien completely until it gets Clemens as an editing exercise.
Yes, it takes 45 minutes for there to be an Alien in an Alien movie, but at least the audience is now unravelling the story with Ripley instead of watching everyone play catch-up that whole time.
Yes, it takes 45 minutes for there to be an Alien in an Alien movie, but at least the audience is now unravelling the story with Ripley instead of watching everyone play catch-up that whole time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 08:55:08 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 08:55:08 PM
I hope that doesn't mean you cut the funeral splice.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 08:58:52 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 20, 2022, 08:58:52 PM
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 09:29:06 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 20, 2022, 09:29:06 PM
I like the idea but that's a bridge too far, how long's there between the funeral and the bishop scene in the Assembly Cut anyway out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Building Better Worlds on Jun 21, 2022, 09:55:31 PM
Post by: Building Better Worlds on Jun 21, 2022, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Jun 20, 2022, 03:47:48 AMQuote from: windebieste on Jun 19, 2022, 11:11:23 PMYes. The egg can be explained. No. Some people don't want it explained; because then they will have to accept it as Lore.It can be explained. Whether that explains holds water and is accepted by all the fanbase is what's being debated, really.
Guess what? It's been Lore for thirty years. Learn to love it.
-Windebieste.
What one person terms lore is another person's fan-wank.
Which is why this thread still exists.
Is the explanation the one where the Queen has a 'spare egg' tucked up in her innards and leaves it on board the dropship leg enclosure?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: T-850 on Jun 21, 2022, 11:25:35 PM
Post by: T-850 on Jun 21, 2022, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: Building Better Worlds on Jun 21, 2022, 09:55:31 PMQuote from: Stitch on Jun 20, 2022, 03:47:48 AMQuote from: windebieste on Jun 19, 2022, 11:11:23 PMYes. The egg can be explained. No. Some people don't want it explained; because then they will have to accept it as Lore.It can be explained. Whether that explains holds water and is accepted by all the fanbase is what's being debated, really.
Guess what? It's been Lore for thirty years. Learn to love it.
-Windebieste.
What one person terms lore is another person's fan-wank.
Which is why this thread still exists.
Is the explanation the one where the Queen has a 'spare egg' tucked up in her innards and leaves it on board the dropship leg enclosure?
I believe this theory the most. It seems the most plausible. If the Queen was in the Sulaco's airlock before Ripley killed her it's very likely the Queen would have had just enough time to have placed an egg there in an emergency.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: windebieste on Jun 21, 2022, 11:28:32 PM
Post by: windebieste on Jun 21, 2022, 11:28:32 PM
What makes anyone think it has to be accepted by "all the fanbase"? The fan base isn't a jury for ALIEN 3's approval. It's just a fan base and has NO say. At all.
If 20CS want to pursue how to explain the egg, many ways have been proposed. They just have to pick one but many fans DON'T want the egg explained because then they'd have to suck up ALIEN 3 as a legitimate sequel (which it is) but will still hate the movie regardless of any explanation.
Then again, like I said. Fans have no say in the issue. Learn to accept the egg is simply there. ALIEN 3 doesn't care if it's explained or not. It doesn't care if Newt and Hicks were written off at the beginning of the movie. The lack of an explanation for the egg is ALIEN 3's first nihilistic act. It just doesn't give a shit what fans think.
-Windebieste
If 20CS want to pursue how to explain the egg, many ways have been proposed. They just have to pick one but many fans DON'T want the egg explained because then they'd have to suck up ALIEN 3 as a legitimate sequel (which it is) but will still hate the movie regardless of any explanation.
Then again, like I said. Fans have no say in the issue. Learn to accept the egg is simply there. ALIEN 3 doesn't care if it's explained or not. It doesn't care if Newt and Hicks were written off at the beginning of the movie. The lack of an explanation for the egg is ALIEN 3's first nihilistic act. It just doesn't give a shit what fans think.
-Windebieste
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 21, 2022, 11:32:12 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 21, 2022, 11:32:12 PM
Quote from: comehellorhighwater on Jun 21, 2022, 11:25:35 PMQuote from: Building Better Worlds on Jun 21, 2022, 09:55:31 PMQuote from: Stitch on Jun 20, 2022, 03:47:48 AMQuote from: windebieste on Jun 19, 2022, 11:11:23 PMYes. The egg can be explained. No. Some people don't want it explained; because then they will have to accept it as Lore.It can be explained. Whether that explains holds water and is accepted by all the fanbase is what's being debated, really.
Guess what? It's been Lore for thirty years. Learn to love it.
-Windebieste.
What one person terms lore is another person's fan-wank.
Which is why this thread still exists.
Is the explanation the one where the Queen has a 'spare egg' tucked up in her innards and leaves it on board the dropship leg enclosure?
I believe this theory the most. It seems the most plausible. If the Queen was in the Sulaco's airlock before Ripley killed her it's very likely the Queen would have had just enough time to have placed an egg there in an emergency.
But why would she do it here ? Just instincts maybe ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 22, 2022, 12:34:35 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 22, 2022, 12:34:35 AM
I refer you all back to The Girder Counterargument.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2022, 12:40:47 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jun 22, 2022, 12:40:47 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 22, 2022, 12:34:35 AMI refer you all back to The Girder Counterargument.
That damn girder, ruins everything.
The only conclusion is that there is no answer. The fans care more about the logic of this scene far more than anyone working on the film did..
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 22, 2022, 12:54:45 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 22, 2022, 12:54:45 AM
It is a studio mandated insert, you can thank the test audiences.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 22, 2022, 02:07:46 AM
Post by: SiL on Jun 22, 2022, 02:07:46 AM
An egg on the Sulaco is fine.
An egg upside down in a random corridor is not.
An egg upside down in a random corridor is not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 22, 2022, 09:25:10 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 22, 2022, 09:25:10 AM
I still have a chuckle every so often remembering the Walking Egg theory.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2022, 12:31:17 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 22, 2022, 12:31:17 PM
Is that the one with the facehugger hauling the egg around on its back like a hermit crab?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 22, 2022, 09:32:35 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 22, 2022, 09:32:35 PM
No, it's the one where an egg comically slimes about the place under it's own power, like some hellish snail.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Building Better Worlds on Jun 25, 2022, 03:50:44 PM
Post by: Building Better Worlds on Jun 25, 2022, 03:50:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 22, 2022, 02:07:46 AMAn egg on the Sulaco is fine.Indeed. They included far too much scenery around the egg which showed it in some location where the Queen just didn't go. They should have just shown it in/on the dropship and they would have saved hundreds of fan hours writing and debating this subject.
An egg upside down in a random corridor is not.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 25, 2022, 05:56:12 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jun 25, 2022, 05:56:12 PM
Quote from: Building Better Worlds on Jun 25, 2022, 03:50:44 PMQuote from: SiL on Jun 22, 2022, 02:07:46 AMAn egg on the Sulaco is fine.Indeed. They included far too much scenery around the egg which showed it in some location where the Queen just didn't go. They should have just shown it in/on the dropship and they would have saved hundreds of fan hours writing and debating this subject.
An egg upside down in a random corridor is not.
There still would have been plenty of debate over why Ripley wouldn't check the one place an egg might be, to be fair.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Building Better Worlds on Jun 25, 2022, 07:50:07 PM
Post by: Building Better Worlds on Jun 25, 2022, 07:50:07 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jun 25, 2022, 05:56:12 PMTrue but at least it would have shifted the discussion away from 'what were the writers thinking of, having an egg so far away there's no possible scenario for it being there'.Quote from: Building Better Worlds on Jun 25, 2022, 03:50:44 PMQuote from: SiL on Jun 22, 2022, 02:07:46 AMAn egg on the Sulaco is fine.Indeed. They included far too much scenery around the egg which showed it in some location where the Queen just didn't go. They should have just shown it in/on the dropship and they would have saved hundreds of fan hours writing and debating this subject.
An egg upside down in a random corridor is not.
There still would have been plenty of debate over why Ripley wouldn't check the one place an egg might be, to be fair.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: David Weyland on Jun 25, 2022, 08:07:47 PM
Post by: David Weyland on Jun 25, 2022, 08:07:47 PM
Covenant passed by and David did it for a laugh
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jun 25, 2022, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 25, 2022, 08:23:32 PM
I mean, without third prequel it's quite possible Covenant is still floating around somewhere during the events of Aliens/Alien 3. Maybe it's like a ghost ship that is known about only from legends
Tbh, I love it like that. We never saw an egg before or after being placed that way
Quote from: SiL on Jun 22, 2022, 02:07:46 AMAn egg on the Sulaco is fine.
An egg upside down in a random corridor is not.
Tbh, I love it like that. We never saw an egg before or after being placed that way
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 25, 2022, 08:30:38 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 25, 2022, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: David Weyland on Jun 25, 2022, 08:07:47 PMCovenant passed by and David did it for a laugh
How can it be David if his body lies in LV-426? :o
Spoiler
[close]
Are you trying to retcon Ridley's Alien, Sir? >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 25, 2022, 08:37:40 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 25, 2022, 08:37:40 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 25, 2022, 08:23:32 PMTbh, I love it like that. We never saw an egg before or after being placed that way
Almost as if it oozed into that position and continued to grow there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2022, 09:06:56 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2022, 09:06:56 PM
Are you advocating that it fell out of the queen and grew under the deck?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 09:24:41 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 09:24:41 PM
Actually it's more funny to imagine the queen lift her butt there and bend to lay that egg :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 25, 2022, 10:21:07 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 25, 2022, 10:21:07 PM
I swear it looks like someone was digested and turned into an Egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2022, 10:31:31 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2022, 10:31:31 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 25, 2022, 10:21:07 PMI swear it looks like someone was digested and turned into an Egg.
People were arguing for Bishops legs at one point, no?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jun 25, 2022, 11:04:05 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jun 25, 2022, 11:04:05 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 09:24:41 PMActually it's more funny to imagine the queen lift her butt there and bend to lay that egg :laugh:Naw, she pinged it out and it pinballed around until it got caught up in the girders.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 25, 2022, 11:53:53 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 25, 2022, 11:53:53 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2022, 09:06:56 PMAre you advocating that it fell out of the queen and grew under the deck?
I've been advocating it for years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 26, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 26, 2022, 12:14:24 AM
Quote from: Stitch on Jun 25, 2022, 11:04:05 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 09:24:41 PMActually it's more funny to imagine the queen lift her butt there and bend to lay that egg :laugh:Naw, she pinged it out and it pinballed around until it got caught up in the girders.
Even better :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 26, 2022, 02:39:42 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 26, 2022, 02:39:42 PM
The egg on Sulaco is very popular. :o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 26, 2022, 04:00:49 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 26, 2022, 04:00:49 PM
Well, when it comes to the movies I think we are all a bit more sensitive I guess ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 26, 2022, 07:42:41 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 26, 2022, 07:42:41 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 26, 2022, 02:39:42 PMThe egg on Sulaco is very popular. :o
https://i.ibb.co/yg1GMR8/Pics-Art-06-26-11-54-20.jpg
Wait, does this mean I'm not a nerd?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 26, 2022, 07:49:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jun 26, 2022, 07:49:30 PM
You don't accept the castes either?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 26, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 26, 2022, 08:27:27 PM
Not the outrageous ones. At all. And even the less extreme ones I prefer to interpret as genetic flexibility as opposed to distinct types. Overclassifying them for games is one thing, because it's a mechanical decision with a post-hoc lore justification, but keep it outta the films.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 27, 2022, 12:45:27 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Jun 27, 2022, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 26, 2022, 02:39:42 PMThe egg on Sulaco is very popular. :olmfao I love this so much
https://i.ibb.co/yg1GMR8/Pics-Art-06-26-11-54-20.jpg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 04:34:28 PM
Post by: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 01, 2006, 08:21:10 AMHow do you think the egg got on the Sulaco at the start of Alien 3?
Did Bishop put it there or did the Queen manage to lay an emergency egg at the end of Aliens.
I never found it hard to believe that the Alien Queen just scooped up a spare egg or something and threw it into a hallway or something right before the climactic battle with Ripley and the gang. Like, as a fail-safe or something.
Yeah it's not good writing, but it's not that hard to believe imo
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 04:56:28 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 04:56:28 PM
You're right it's not good writing, but I think you hit the nail on the head in terms of believability. Whether an escaping Facehugger, an Egg onboard the dropship itself, or something grew under the flooring it does not matter for the story ultimately, it's a f**king Alien.
Although I will say:
We see something like this happen just before the Queen takes Bishop, where did the acid come from?
The womb, from the way the Queen violently tore from the ovipositor, so the idea that acid and fluids also contained zygotes makes sense.
Although I will say:
We see something like this happen just before the Queen takes Bishop, where did the acid come from?
The womb, from the way the Queen violently tore from the ovipositor, so the idea that acid and fluids also contained zygotes makes sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Aug 15, 2022, 06:23:59 PM
Post by: judge death on Aug 15, 2022, 06:23:59 PM
Yep, to me thats pretty clear, acid is indeed from that part of her so its not hard to imagine the queen is behind the egg, exactly how isnt vital for the story.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:44:31 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:44:31 PM
The problem isn't that there's an egg, it's where it is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 08:56:16 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 08:56:16 PM
If I may ask, where's that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:58:41 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:58:41 PM
Exactly.
Some random corridor in the ship. The only thing below where the Queen bled is the hull.
Some random corridor in the ship. The only thing below where the Queen bled is the hull.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 09:17:08 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 09:17:08 PM
I assume something had to be there though, otherwise someone would have got Newborn'ed?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 09:31:24 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 09:31:24 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:58:41 PMExactly.
Some random corridor in the ship. The only thing below where the Queen bled is the hull.
How can we be sure it's a corridor? It could be a maintenance crawlspace under the hangar deck for all we know.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:40:12 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:40:12 PM
Awful well lit.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 09:51:59 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 09:51:59 PM
Either way, something has to be there though, or we would have explosive decompression.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 09:54:14 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 09:54:14 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:40:12 PMAwful well lit.
You...you just sounded like SM there. I heard it. Did anyone else hear it??
Anyway, it's well lit, but the light source is above the grating.
It's not as apparent in the still shot, but it is when the camera pans to the left.
After that, we see the facehugger for the first time and, as before, the light source is above the grating.
In fact, the entire ship seems curiously well lit given everyone is in hypersleep.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 09:56:01 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 09:56:01 PM
Damn... That does look an awful lot like the flooring on the top right hand side.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:57:34 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:57:34 PM
Since we know eggs are right 3-4 feet tall we also know that crawl space is awful high. Kind of a thin hull for a warship surely?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 10:06:24 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 10:06:24 PM
"The fire... was electrical, it was in the subflooring." -Bishop
Surely that means that's also where the Alien originated further corroborating this?
Surely that means that's also where the Alien originated further corroborating this?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 10:09:02 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 10:09:02 PM
The fire was caused by the hugger bleeding later.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 10:10:26 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 10:10:26 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:57:34 PMSince we know eggs are right 3-4 feet tall we also know that crawl space is awful high. Kind of a thin hull for a warship surely?
Well, it's not as if we have a detailed schematic of the entire ship. However, we do know that below the hangar bay is a big airlock that the dropship is lowered into prior to launch. That's gotta be, what, ten feet high at least?
The "crawlspace" (or "conduit" if you prefer to call it something else) could be laterally adjacent to the upper part of that airlock and still leave room for an armored hull beneath it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 15, 2022, 10:12:28 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 15, 2022, 10:12:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:57:34 PMSince we know eggs are right 3-4 feet tall we also know that crawl space is awful high. Kind of a thin hull for a warship surely?
yeah but there's a what, 4 or 5 meter well in that same floor. I can't see the hull being more than 2 meters thick, and even that feels excessive, even for a military vessel.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 10:14:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 10:14:44 PM
This should give us an idea of how much space is actually between the hangar deck and the outer hull.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 10:51:09 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 10:51:09 PM
Would anyone object to an inserted scene of the Queen laying an egg in a flashback?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 10:53:42 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 10:53:42 PM
Yes. We see the Queen the whole time she's on the ship. There's no time to lay an egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 15, 2022, 10:54:09 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Aug 15, 2022, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 10:51:09 PMWould anyone object to an inserted scene of the Queen laying an egg in a flashback?
Yes.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 11:00:06 PM
Post by: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 11:00:06 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 10:51:09 PMWould anyone object to an inserted scene of the Queen laying an egg in a flashback?
We need another movie to explain it. Call ot Alien: Egg One
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 11:00:37 PM
Post by: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 11:00:37 PM
"An egg materialised in the subflooring from her ass drippings" is about the best and only plausible explanation and that's saying a lot about the situation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 11:01:39 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 11:01:39 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 11:00:06 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 10:51:09 PMWould anyone object to an inserted scene of the Queen laying an egg in a flashback?
We need another movie to explain it. Call ot Alien: Egg One
Haha or The Shell of the Sulaco: A Alien Story. XD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 16, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Aug 16, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 11:00:37 PM"An egg materialised in the subflooring from her ass drippings" is about the best and only plausible explanation and that's saying a lot about the situation.
If you put a queen in your movie, maybe you can show her dripping tiny eggs from her ass so we can finally achieve consensus here.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 16, 2022, 04:29:34 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 16, 2022, 04:29:34 PM
As it apparently does not need any fertilization the zygotes would be barely distinguishable to the naked eye until developing in the egg sac.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 05:35:40 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 05:35:40 PM
The other egg cycle where a person becomes an egg could work. I'd have to be Hicks though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 16, 2022, 05:42:05 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 16, 2022, 05:42:05 PM
He's in his cryotube, same goes for everyone else.
Where the Theatrical Cut and Assembly Cut are concerned, taking what we see literally anyway, a zygote amongst the acid burn in the prior film developing under the flooring's the only possible answer.
Where the Theatrical Cut and Assembly Cut are concerned, taking what we see literally anyway, a zygote amongst the acid burn in the prior film developing under the flooring's the only possible answer.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2022, 09:26:16 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 18, 2022, 09:26:16 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 15, 2022, 10:51:09 PMWould anyone object to an inserted scene of the Queen laying an egg in a flashback?
My headcanon insert is focused on a facehugger that hitched a ride with the Queen, with the events at the end of Aliens out-of-focus in the background. It begs the question of why the hugger didn't go after Ripley or Newt during the fight or before they get put into cryo, but it's what I got.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Aug 18, 2022, 09:46:54 AM
Post by: SiL on Aug 18, 2022, 09:46:54 AM
Because they're opportunists.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 19, 2022, 02:16:20 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 19, 2022, 02:16:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 18, 2022, 09:46:54 AMBecause they're opportunists.
Granted, but they're also depicted as being fairly agressive about it. I think the best opportunity would have been one of:
A. Hicks on the dropship. He's out and unable to defend himself.
B. Newt under the floor. She's completely defenseless and at the queen's mercy.
C. Ripley while she's in the power loader. It could grab on, climb into the cage, and have at it. Hicks, Newt, and Bishop would be helpless to stop the gestating. Best case scenario is Hicks, Newt, and Bishop get on board an EEV and bug out.
Hell, that might be an interesting what if story idea...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 19, 2022, 04:55:24 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 19, 2022, 04:55:24 AM
Facehuggers either grab you right out of the egg, or they seem to be cautious. They don't go straight for Ripley and Newt in Medical, for example.
In all three scenarios you listed there are people running around, actively fighting, etc. The space isn't isolated, there's too much opportunity for something to interrupt them.
In all three scenarios you listed there are people running around, actively fighting, etc. The space isn't isolated, there's too much opportunity for something to interrupt them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 23, 2022, 02:38:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 23, 2022, 02:38:01 AM
It's also possible that the facehuggers didn't even detect them until Ripley started poking around for her pulse rifle and then peaked up over the side of the bed.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 30, 2022, 02:41:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 30, 2022, 02:41:31 AM
@ralfy Any thoughts on how the egg got on board the Sulaco?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 30, 2022, 07:43:09 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Oct 30, 2022, 07:43:09 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 30, 2022, 02:41:31 AM@ralfy Any thoughts on how the egg got on board the Sulaco?
f**k's sake.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2022, 07:47:13 AM
Post by: SiL on Oct 30, 2022, 07:47:13 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 30, 2022, 08:54:15 AM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 30, 2022, 08:54:15 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 30, 2022, 07:43:09 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Oct 30, 2022, 02:41:31 AM@ralfy Any thoughts on how the egg got on board the Sulaco?
f**k's sake.
Some people just wanna watch the world burn
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 30, 2022, 09:57:27 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 30, 2022, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 30, 2022, 06:08:24 AMI saw this thread got bumped and got insanely hyped.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 30, 2022, 06:37:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Oct 30, 2022, 06:37:02 PM
Who wants to bet @ralfy thinks Bishop did it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 30, 2022, 08:21:42 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 30, 2022, 08:21:42 PM
No, Bishop II did it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Oct 30, 2022, 09:38:51 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Oct 30, 2022, 09:38:51 PM
I did it.
Canon.
Canon.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Oct 30, 2022, 09:43:27 PM
Post by: Kradan on Oct 30, 2022, 09:43:27 PM
Canon, is like ... your opinion, man
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 30, 2022, 09:44:52 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Oct 30, 2022, 09:44:52 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 30, 2022, 09:38:51 PMI did it.
Canon.
SM ordered on wish
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Nov 01, 2022, 03:59:10 PM
Post by: Stitch on Nov 01, 2022, 03:59:10 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Oct 30, 2022, 09:44:52 PMYou order SM on Wish and get an FM radio instead. The only thing it broadcasts is theories on how the egg got on the sulaco.Quote from: Xenomrph on Oct 30, 2022, 09:38:51 PMI did it.
Canon.
SM ordered on wish
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StayFrosty on Dec 20, 2022, 01:44:36 AM
Post by: StayFrosty on Dec 20, 2022, 01:44:36 AM
Okay so I got a new theory here.
Keep in mind that this theory does rely on a good few assumptions.
- the Queen snuck aboard the drop ship along with a chest burster. (Chest burster was likely given birth to by Apone or Dietrich.)
- this chest burster managed to crawl and hide somewhere on the Sulaco.
- chest burster was either a queen in itself,
Or
- chest burster was a drone. We've seen drones capable of egg morphing. Now... what if in the absence of any hosts, a drone can go dormant or something, and then eventually generate an egg and pop it out? Is all it would take is the ability to generate just one egg, even if it kills the drone a short time later. I like my queen theory better since it would explain why it took so long to grow after popping out of apone or Dietrich. Assuming of course they were impregnated as soon as they were cocooned. I guess in the end it doesn't matter.
- so... once the crew was in hyper sleep, we can then easily have an egg, either through a queen or drone. Whichever Xeno it was can then take the egg and put it above the freezers. I assume a Xeno has the ability to telepathically tell an egg when to open. Xeno then crawls off somewhere, unable to join Ripley and the prisoners!
I suspect there will be some question as to why all of a sudden there were so many Queens being born? Could it be because the xenos were facing so much danger, and in such a situation their biology makes them produce more Queens?
:)
Keep in mind that this theory does rely on a good few assumptions.
- the Queen snuck aboard the drop ship along with a chest burster. (Chest burster was likely given birth to by Apone or Dietrich.)
- this chest burster managed to crawl and hide somewhere on the Sulaco.
- chest burster was either a queen in itself,
Or
- chest burster was a drone. We've seen drones capable of egg morphing. Now... what if in the absence of any hosts, a drone can go dormant or something, and then eventually generate an egg and pop it out? Is all it would take is the ability to generate just one egg, even if it kills the drone a short time later. I like my queen theory better since it would explain why it took so long to grow after popping out of apone or Dietrich. Assuming of course they were impregnated as soon as they were cocooned. I guess in the end it doesn't matter.
- so... once the crew was in hyper sleep, we can then easily have an egg, either through a queen or drone. Whichever Xeno it was can then take the egg and put it above the freezers. I assume a Xeno has the ability to telepathically tell an egg when to open. Xeno then crawls off somewhere, unable to join Ripley and the prisoners!
I suspect there will be some question as to why all of a sudden there were so many Queens being born? Could it be because the xenos were facing so much danger, and in such a situation their biology makes them produce more Queens?
:)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2022, 10:34:10 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 20, 2022, 10:34:10 AM
What the f**k
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 21, 2022, 12:35:56 AM
Post by: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 21, 2022, 12:35:56 AM
Well it's a theory.
But I think I'll just stick to looking on ALIEN 3 (and it's sequel) as a pair of fevered dreams that Ripley endures during her hypersleep home....as the fact that she's suddenly in a differently-designed cryosleep chamber at the start of the movie always bugged me more than where that damn egg came from in the first place. :P
But I think I'll just stick to looking on ALIEN 3 (and it's sequel) as a pair of fevered dreams that Ripley endures during her hypersleep home....as the fact that she's suddenly in a differently-designed cryosleep chamber at the start of the movie always bugged me more than where that damn egg came from in the first place. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 21, 2022, 01:29:54 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 21, 2022, 01:29:54 AM
Uh huh. Does Jonesy getting fatter and changing into a different cat between Alien and Aliens bother you?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Dec 21, 2022, 03:11:44 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 21, 2022, 03:11:44 AM
They had good cat food on Gateway lol. It's far easier to explain than magic egg and shape-shifting cryotube :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 21, 2022, 03:28:28 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 21, 2022, 03:28:28 AM
While the prisioners at Fiorina "Fury" 161 are representing the crisis of capitalism as a crisis of masculinity, the egg on Sulaco represents "redemption of masculinity repackaged as the promise of violence in the interests of social and political anarchy".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 21, 2022, 11:12:58 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 21, 2022, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 21, 2022, 01:29:54 AMUh huh. Does Jonesy getting fatter and changing into a different cat between Alien and Aliens bother you?
Having to use a different cat is slightly different to wantonly changing the design and colour of the Sulaco and its interior.
As much as I love Alien 3, the incongruity of the Sulaco at the start bugs the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 21, 2022, 11:21:14 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 21, 2022, 11:21:14 AM
Quote from: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 21, 2022, 12:35:56 AMWell it's a theory.
But I think I'll just stick to looking on ALIEN 3 (and it's sequel) as a pair of fevered dreams that Ripley endures during her hypersleep home....as the fact that she's suddenly in a differently-designed cryosleep chamber at the start of the movie always bugged me more than where that damn egg came from in the first place. :P
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 11:58:48 AM
Post by: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 11:58:48 AM
Something else that I cant see it explained as easily as the cryopods, the egg/s sjlacos color that CAN be explained: why Ripley in the cryopod and then found on the beach on the planet: why she has completely different clothes than what she had on when she was frozen down in the cryo in the end of aliens movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Dec 21, 2022, 02:56:54 PM
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Dec 21, 2022, 02:56:54 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 11:58:48 AMwhy she has completely different clothes than what she had on when she was frozen down in the cryo in the end of aliens movie.
I wouldn't say they were completely different. The grey vest is the same style in Alien 3 as the one in Aliens with the same cord pattern, if that is the right term to use. The only part of her clothing that is different is the underwear.
(https://ibb.co/ScJ167q)This is what you meant by the way? Just in case I miss understood your post.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 06:56:33 PM
Post by: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 06:56:33 PM
To me both pieces are different and worn differently and wrong color, in aliens its white/gray. In alien 3 its green? Like in the pictures you shown.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Dec 21, 2022, 07:44:06 PM
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Dec 21, 2022, 07:44:06 PM
Quote from: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 06:56:33 PM...and wrong color, in aliens its white/gray. In alien 3 its green? Like in the pictures you shown.
Her clothes are grey in both Aliens and the beginning of Alien 3 as shown in the pictures. They just get dirtied after the crash. The sea on Fury 161 is supposed to be oily and of course in the Assembly cut she is washed ashore making her even more covered in dirt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 07:49:57 PM
Post by: judge death on Dec 21, 2022, 07:49:57 PM
Ah alright, well then one of the things I had issues with is solved. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: littlesprout on Dec 21, 2022, 11:18:54 PM
Post by: littlesprout on Dec 21, 2022, 11:18:54 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Dec 21, 2022, 11:21:14 AMQuote from: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 21, 2022, 12:35:56 AMWell it's a theory.
But I think I'll just stick to looking on ALIEN 3 (and it's sequel) as a pair of fevered dreams that Ripley endures during her hypersleep home....as the fact that she's suddenly in a differently-designed cryosleep chamber at the start of the movie always bugged me more than where that damn egg came from in the first place. :P
https://media.tenor.com/S55u5aO8iTAAAAAM/all-of-this-pointing.gif
sadly I think it's not a fever dream since at the end of Aliens, if I do recall, you can hear a face hugger or egg opening up, or something like that. I remember seeing that video on YouTube somewhere
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 22, 2022, 05:21:08 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 22, 2022, 05:21:08 AM
Quote from: littlesprout on Dec 21, 2022, 11:18:54 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Dec 21, 2022, 11:21:14 AMQuote from: BringbackJonesy! on Dec 21, 2022, 12:35:56 AMWell it's a theory.
But I think I'll just stick to looking on ALIEN 3 (and it's sequel) as a pair of fevered dreams that Ripley endures during her hypersleep home....as the fact that she's suddenly in a differently-designed cryosleep chamber at the start of the movie always bugged me more than where that damn egg came from in the first place. :P
https://media.tenor.com/S55u5aO8iTAAAAAM/all-of-this-pointing.gif
sadly I think it's not a fever dream since at the end of Aliens, if I do recall, you can hear a face hugger or egg opening up, or something like that. I remember seeing that video on YouTube somewhere
A few things about the post-credits facehugger/egg:
1. James Cameron has stated in the past that it was never intended to mean anything.
2. It doesn't affect the "fever dream" narrative. Actually, if anything it strengthens it, as it plays into Ripley's feelings of guilt/loss/fear of never being free of the alien.
3. It's always been a bit of a stretch to suggest that the facehugger/egg is on the Sulaco in that scene. In fact, the background noise before it sounds very much like what we hear on LV-426 during the film, which suggests that if the scene were to mean anything, it would be that there were survivors of the explosion and the aliens hadn't been completely wiped out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 22, 2022, 08:08:50 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 22, 2022, 08:08:50 AM
"She's one of the great characters of all time," Hawley said, "and I think the story has been told pretty perfectly, and I don't want to mess with it."
From Hawley's perspective, 20th Century's Alien films—helmed by Scott, James Cameron and David FIncher—have always been "great monster movies" that are "not just monster movies."
Will repost forever because he speaks the truth.
From Hawley's perspective, 20th Century's Alien films—helmed by Scott, James Cameron and David FIncher—have always been "great monster movies" that are "not just monster movies."
Will repost forever because he speaks the truth.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 23, 2022, 09:43:38 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Dec 23, 2022, 09:43:38 AM
All manner of real world tragedy and trauma:
Sweet as, I'll work through this and come to terms with it in time
A fictional movie where Hicks and Newt get ganked and Ripley has a pyrrhic victory:
Its been 30 years and I'm still mad
Absolute f**ken state of the fandom.
Sweet as, I'll work through this and come to terms with it in time
A fictional movie where Hicks and Newt get ganked and Ripley has a pyrrhic victory:
Its been 30 years and I'm still mad
Absolute f**ken state of the fandom.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 23, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
There're just newer generations of fans who just get into the series and keep the flames of hatred towards Alien 3 alive
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 23, 2022, 05:39:11 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 23, 2022, 05:39:11 PM
It's a fan tradition, like Christmas
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 23, 2022, 07:42:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 23, 2022, 07:42:20 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 23, 2022, 09:43:38 AMA fictional movie where Hicks and Newt get ganked and Ripley has a pyrrhic victory:
Its been 30 years and I'm still mad
Yeah, it upset people!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 24, 2022, 06:56:45 AM
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 24, 2022, 06:56:45 AM
ALIEN 3 is still my second favorite out of all the Alien movies, with ALIEN always being number one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 25, 2022, 02:25:20 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 25, 2022, 02:25:20 AM
Gonna keep reiterating (it's that time of year, right?) - most sensible explanation for the egg is another story set between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet. Somewhere during those events / that story, the Sulaco is compromised. Somewhere during those events, there is a crash landing into the drop ship bay, damaging the adjacent cryo chamber, forcing Ripley and Co to use the civilian cryo chamber in the lower decks, accounting for the difference in design of the entire room and the tubes. This also gives the 'Alien 5' fan crowd their Ripley, Hicks and Newt story they are craving, whilst not contradicting anything seen/said in Alien 3 for those of us who know the third movie is fine art. No more magic egg, leaking queen vagina, egg growing from bishops legs, etc etc..no more 'dream sequences' required... no more ripples in the water.. 😁👍
Ahh, I see you are a man of culture as well.. 😁👍
Quote from: S.E.B. on Dec 24, 2022, 06:56:45 AMALIEN 3 is still my second favorite out of all the Alien movies, with ALIEN always being number one.
Ahh, I see you are a man of culture as well.. 😁👍
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 25, 2022, 03:25:45 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 25, 2022, 03:25:45 AM
Quote from: S.E.B. on Dec 24, 2022, 06:56:45 AMALIEN 3 is still my second favorite out of all the Alien movies, with ALIEN always being number one.
You kinda remind me of SpreadEagleBeagle. The resemblance is uncanny.
Quote from: Its_Auto on Dec 25, 2022, 02:25:20 AMGonna keep reiterating (it's that time of year, right?) - most sensible explanation for the egg is another story set between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet.
Can't be worse than Out of the Shadows. At least it would serve a purpose.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 25, 2022, 05:04:05 AM
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 25, 2022, 05:04:05 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 25, 2022, 03:25:45 AMQuote from: S.E.B. on Dec 24, 2022, 06:56:45 AMALIEN 3 is still my second favorite out of all the Alien movies, with ALIEN always being number one.You kinda remind me of SpreadEagleBeagle. The resemblance is uncanny.
The force is strong with this one 8)
Quote from: Its_Auto on Dec 25, 2022, 02:25:20 AMGonna keep reiterating (it's that time of year, right?) - most sensible explanation for the egg is another story set between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet. Somewhere during those events / that story, the Sulaco is compromised. Somewhere during those events, there is a crash landing into the drop ship bay, damaging the adjacent cryo chamber, forcing Ripley and Co to use the civilian cryo chamber in the lower decks, accounting for the difference in design of the entire room and the tubes. This also gives the 'Alien 5' fan crowd their Ripley, Hicks and Newt story they are craving, whilst not contradicting anything seen/said in Alien 3 for those of us who know the third movie is fine art. No more magic egg, leaking queen vagina, egg growing from bishops legs, etc etc..no more 'dream sequences' required... no more ripples in the water.. 😁👍Quote from: S.E.B. on Dec 24, 2022, 06:56:45 AMALIEN 3 is still my second favorite out of all the Alien movies, with ALIEN always being number one.
Ahh, I see you are a man of culture as well.. 😁👍
I like the way you think and I agree with you a 100%!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 25, 2022, 08:01:38 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 25, 2022, 08:01:38 AM
I thought for SpreadEagleBeagle ALIEN3 is number one🤔
Anyway, welcome back!😅
Anyway, welcome back!😅
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 26, 2022, 09:39:53 PM
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 26, 2022, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 25, 2022, 08:01:38 AMI thought for SpreadEagleBeagle ALIEN3 is number one🤔
Anyway, welcome back!😅
Thank you, it feels good to be back!
ALIEN and A3 have always been neck to neck, but in the end ALIEN is a more solid movie. With that said, my love for A3 just keeps growing every time I watch it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2022, 10:58:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2022, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: S.E.B. on Dec 26, 2022, 09:39:53 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 25, 2022, 08:01:38 AMI thought for SpreadEagleBeagle ALIEN3 is number one🤔
Anyway, welcome back!😅
Thank you, it feels good to be back!
ALIEN and A3 have always been neck to neck, but in the end ALIEN is a more solid movie. With that said, my love for A3 just keeps growing every time I watch it.
But what about Aliens though?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 26, 2022, 11:54:24 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 26, 2022, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2022, 10:58:23 PMQuote from: S.E.B. on Dec 26, 2022, 09:39:53 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 25, 2022, 08:01:38 AMBut what about Aliens though?
Solid 3rd place after Alien and Alien 3 of course! 😁👍
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 03:32:51 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 03:32:51 AM
But where did the egg come from?! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 04:30:13 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 04:30:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 03:32:51 AMBut where did the egg come from?! >:(
Well, that's easy... *clears throat*
Picture the scene: Hadley's Hope, LV-426
Supply ship docked at the loading bay. The crew are debating the wild shit they've overheard at the bar - rumours of some colonist wildcatter being brought in with some sort of animal on his face - got the whole medlab area quarantined - captain thinks it's a crock of shit, there's no life on this rock, besides, this is their last supply run after an 8 month stint - will be back in the freezers in several hours, far away from this hellhole - 3 months leave with a tidy paycheque.
*several hours later*
Final flight checks underway, last of the empty supply crates back in the hold..
*alarm sirens* some chatter on the bridge comms from Hadley Control about initiating lockdown procedures. f**k that shit - no way in hell spending another second on this shithole. Time to roll.
Perhaps had they not been distracted by Hadley Control barking down the radio that they weren't clear for takeoff, they might have noticed on the crt monitor, the pink snake-like object slithering across the loading bay door as it sealed..
**One month later**
USCM Sulaco, return journey from LV-426,
Destination: Gateway Station
Personal: 3 Crew, 1 Civilian
*monitor flickers in cryo chamber*
[Incoming Distress Beacon: Weyland Yutani Colonial Supply Ship 7462. Location: Artemis Mining Station, LV-419. Sulaco rerouted to assist.]
*cue story between Aliens and Alien 3 which results in egg on Sulaco*
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 27, 2022, 05:10:02 AM
Post by: S.E.B. on Dec 27, 2022, 05:10:02 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2022, 10:58:23 PMQuote from: S.E.B. on Dec 26, 2022, 09:39:53 PMQuote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 25, 2022, 08:01:38 AMI thought for SpreadEagleBeagle ALIEN3 is number one🤔
Anyway, welcome back!😅
Thank you, it feels good to be back!
ALIEN and A3 have always been neck to neck, but in the end ALIEN is a more solid movie. With that said, my love for A3 just keeps growing every time I watch it.
But what about Aliens though?
Isn't this thread about the Egg on Sulaco? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 08:13:15 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 27, 2022, 08:13:15 AM
ANSWER THE QUESTION ! >:(
Perfect, case solved, let's go home everybody
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 04:30:13 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 03:32:51 AMBut where did the egg come from?! >:(
Well, that's easy... *clears throat*
Picture the scene: Hadley's Hope, LV-426
Supply ship docked at the loading bay. The crew are debating the wild shit they've overheard at the bar - rumours of some colonist wildcatter being brought in with some sort of animal on his face - got the whole medlab area quarantined - captain thinks it's a crock of shit, there's no life on this rock, besides, this is their last supply run after an 8 month stint - will be back in the freezers in several hours, far away from this hellhole - 3 months leave with a tidy paycheque.
*several hours later*
Final flight checks underway, last of the empty supply crates back in the hold..
*alarm sirens* some chatter on the bridge comms from Hadley Control about initiating lockdown procedures. f**k that shit - no way in hell spending another second on this shithole. Time to roll.
Perhaps had they not been distracted by Hadley Control barking down the radio that they weren't clear for takeoff, they might have noticed on the crt monitor, the pink snake-like object slithering across the loading bay door as it sealed..
**One month later**
USCM Sulaco, return journey from LV-426,
Destination: Gateway Station
Personal: 3 Crew, 1 Civilian
*monitor flickers in cryo chamber*
[Incoming Distress Beacon: Weyland Yutani Colonial Supply Ship 7462. Location: Artemis Mining Station, LV-419. Sulaco rerouted to assist.]
*cue story between Aliens and Alien 3 which results in egg on Sulaco*
Perfect, case solved, let's go home everybody
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 04:58:07 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 04:58:07 PM
Is LV-419 a planet? How would Ripley get there? Can she fly a dropship?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 06:48:49 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 06:48:49 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 04:58:07 PMIs LV-419 a planet? How would Ripley get there? Can she fly a dropship?
LV-419 is a small moon. Sulaco lands (same way we see the Patna land on Fury 161) Ripley as a qualified flight officer is able to set Sulaco down with the aid of MU/TH/UR, and Bishop (the onboard systems do most of the work anyway).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 06:50:11 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 06:50:11 PM
Will they meet a guy named Turk?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 07:09:07 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 06:50:11 PMWill they meet a guy named Turk?
Sure, if you wish 🤣 I mean someone needs to be eggmorphed into a superhugger - shit whilst we're at it, can make the opening stage of 'Alien 3: The Gun' canon - showing there were shitloads of eggs on the sulaco.. they just missed one before going back in the freezers.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2022, 10:44:38 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 27, 2022, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 27, 2022, 07:09:07 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 27, 2022, 06:50:11 PMWill they meet a guy named Turk?
Sure, if you wish 🤣 I mean someone needs to be eggmorphed into a superhugger - shit whilst we're at it, can make the opening stage of 'Alien 3: The Gun' canon - showing there were shitloads of eggs on the sulaco.. they just missed one before going back in the freezers.
Speaking of canon, there was a great 'Canon War' a long time ago...
I know this because I loyally served General SM in battle.
I'm afraid he might be the only one capable of solving this mystery...I find the Turk theory fascinating though :-X
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 28, 2022, 02:05:35 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 28, 2022, 02:05:35 AM
Well if you are talking about 'Colonial Marines' my take is the events are canon, just not what we see in game (a bit like the game 'Alien Trilogy' - the basic premise is the same, but what we play is like a retelling, getting lots of details incorrect, such as the prison being on LV-426, or Ripley entering the derelict etc).
Colonial Marines is definitely canon. Why? We know from Tanaka 5's communications in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual that Weyu went back to LV-426 to secure the derelict. And two separate games, both with different takes (Colonial Marines and Infestation) claim the same ship was dispatched there, The Sephora. It's simply an issue if working out what is 'white noise' so to speak. If you don't take what you play literally, then it's very easy to see how the Colonial Marines events fit into the canon nicely.
Colonial Marines is definitely canon. Why? We know from Tanaka 5's communications in the Colonial Marines Technical Manual that Weyu went back to LV-426 to secure the derelict. And two separate games, both with different takes (Colonial Marines and Infestation) claim the same ship was dispatched there, The Sephora. It's simply an issue if working out what is 'white noise' so to speak. If you don't take what you play literally, then it's very easy to see how the Colonial Marines events fit into the canon nicely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2022, 04:35:50 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2022, 04:35:50 AM
So you're saying that Randy was right all along?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Dec 28, 2022, 06:37:07 AM
Post by: Kradan on Dec 28, 2022, 06:37:07 AM
This is like saying that Satan was right all along
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 30, 2022, 07:39:52 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 30, 2022, 07:39:52 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 25, 2022, 02:25:20 AMmost sensible explanation for the egg is another story set between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet.
The most sensible explanation is still that the writers didn't give enough of a shit to do anything that makes any logical sense, and y'all just gotta live with it
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 30, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 30, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
In 4K we won't have to.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Dec 30, 2022, 08:41:09 PM
Post by: Stitch on Dec 30, 2022, 08:41:09 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 30, 2022, 08:00:32 PMIn 4K we won't have to.In 4K we get to see alllllll the details of the superhugger, and its non existent egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 30, 2022, 08:55:18 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Dec 30, 2022, 08:55:18 PM
Oh the classic thread revived ;D I missed that one. While we're at it, it is interesting that Dark Horse never tried to come up with a backstory for this. While in this situation I believe its impossible to crwate a completely plausible explanation, Im sure theyd come up with something pretty good. Man I loved those DH comics
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2023, 02:11:50 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2023, 02:11:50 AM
On the subject of the superhugger... here's a theory... a lot earlier in this thread someone suggested that the intro had to be a fever dream in hypersleep, as we see a regular hugger in the intro, a regular hugger leaving the EEV (theatrical cut) but then a superhugger in abattoir (assembly cut)..what if they are in fact one in the same, and it is simply a regular hugger..
Ok, so just for a moment, let's disregard the expanded media of the time, and just go by what we have actually seen in the movies.. up until Alien 3, we've seen only two successful facehugs.. Kane and Russ Jordan.. both sprung immediately from an ovomorph onto the host..the huggers in the medlab were all dead baring two that were surgically removed before embryo implantation... and once released, they were in close proximity of human hosts.
There's absolutely nothing in the movies that say a hugger *cant* undergo metamorphosis just like an adult Xenomorph does.. we simply choose to believe that is the case: which got me thinking - The Space Jockey on LV-426... before a concept of 'Engineers' or it being human in a suit..how did a hugger from an ovomorph in the derelict fit on a head that size...likewise, how did a human-head sized hugger also wrap around an ox? This got me thinking of how adaptable the xeno is, and also reminded me of the early alien 3 concept art of the 'aquatic hugger' - many traits including the webbed-legs carrying over into the final superhugger design...
So here's the theory: there were in fact two facehuggers as many who prefer the theatrical cut suggest, the one that impregnated Ripley and died (it's carcass still on the Sulaco) and the second hugger that hitched a ride on the EEV (as shown in the screen used models) - the EEV crashes into the sea, the interior of the EEV flooding - the hugger, adapting to its environment, sheds its skin in the same way a chestburster does,(losing its larval colouring as per a chestburster) growing a little larger like any molting animal and gains the webbed legs to suit the aquatic environment / swim ashore. In its new larger/armored state, it's able to target a larger host - one of the ox, which it does so later back at the prison (which is why nobody sees it happen) - so there is no superhugger .. just a regular hugger that adapted to its environment and prey to ensure embryo implantation. (Yes it's that time of the night where I have too much free time and my mind wanders, can you tell?) 😂
Ok, so just for a moment, let's disregard the expanded media of the time, and just go by what we have actually seen in the movies.. up until Alien 3, we've seen only two successful facehugs.. Kane and Russ Jordan.. both sprung immediately from an ovomorph onto the host..the huggers in the medlab were all dead baring two that were surgically removed before embryo implantation... and once released, they were in close proximity of human hosts.
There's absolutely nothing in the movies that say a hugger *cant* undergo metamorphosis just like an adult Xenomorph does.. we simply choose to believe that is the case: which got me thinking - The Space Jockey on LV-426... before a concept of 'Engineers' or it being human in a suit..how did a hugger from an ovomorph in the derelict fit on a head that size...likewise, how did a human-head sized hugger also wrap around an ox? This got me thinking of how adaptable the xeno is, and also reminded me of the early alien 3 concept art of the 'aquatic hugger' - many traits including the webbed-legs carrying over into the final superhugger design...
So here's the theory: there were in fact two facehuggers as many who prefer the theatrical cut suggest, the one that impregnated Ripley and died (it's carcass still on the Sulaco) and the second hugger that hitched a ride on the EEV (as shown in the screen used models) - the EEV crashes into the sea, the interior of the EEV flooding - the hugger, adapting to its environment, sheds its skin in the same way a chestburster does,(losing its larval colouring as per a chestburster) growing a little larger like any molting animal and gains the webbed legs to suit the aquatic environment / swim ashore. In its new larger/armored state, it's able to target a larger host - one of the ox, which it does so later back at the prison (which is why nobody sees it happen) - so there is no superhugger .. just a regular hugger that adapted to its environment and prey to ensure embryo implantation. (Yes it's that time of the night where I have too much free time and my mind wanders, can you tell?) 😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 03, 2023, 02:45:06 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 03, 2023, 02:45:06 AM
EGG ON SULACO POPPING
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2023, 03:21:50 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2023, 03:21:50 AM
@Acid_Reign161
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:03:43 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 12, 2018, 03:23:13 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 14, 2017, 01:42:28 PMMy theory is that it started out as the regular-looking version we saw crawling around on the Sulaco. Then it grew armor, spikes and webbing to adapt to its hostile aquatic environment following the EEV's splashdown.
It would only need to do this in the AC because Ripley was ejected from the EEV and washed up on the beach. In the theatrical edition, she remained in her cryotube.
It's even conceivable that the facehugger actually saved Ripley from drowning in the AC.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 03, 2023, 10:12:55 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 03, 2023, 10:12:55 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 12, 2020, 07:03:43 AMIt's even conceivable that the facehugger actually saved Ripley from drowning in the AC.
Holy shit, I've never thought of it that way. If you can come up with something like this then you surely can reach a consensus
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 03, 2023, 05:27:33 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 03, 2023, 05:27:33 PM
Well I always assumed the facehugger had something to do with Ripley surviving. Its unbelievably way over convenient to miraculously have the main protagonist survive a crash that chops everyone else
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2023, 05:37:30 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2023, 05:37:30 PM
Yeah, I always figured the facehugger was the reason she didn't drown when Newt did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jan 03, 2023, 05:47:12 PM
Post by: judge death on Jan 03, 2023, 05:47:12 PM
That theory is several years old, cant remember who made it but its in one of the earlier posts in this thread, and is to me what happened, else she would had drown as she was still knocked out when the EEV crashed in the water.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2023, 06:01:46 PM
I can just imagine the little guy sprouting webs and towing Ripley to shore with its tail.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jan 03, 2023, 06:12:06 PM
Post by: judge death on Jan 03, 2023, 06:12:06 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2023, 06:01:46 PMI can just imagine the little guy sprouting webs and towing Ripley to shore with its tail.Lol. xD More likely: its attached to her and like kane etc it supplies her with air and human bodies floats so just a matter of time before she is washed up on shore. ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 03, 2023, 06:27:25 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 03, 2023, 06:27:25 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 03, 2023, 05:27:33 PMWell I always assumed the facehugger had something to do with Ripley surviving. Its unbelievably way over convenient to miraculously have the main protagonist survive a crash that chops everyone else
Well, I can buy hugger saving her from drowning but can't really see it doing anything about a piece of metal such as one that impaled Hicks. It's pure luck the same didn't happen to Ripley and it goes right along with a whole "survivor's guilt" motif that runs throughout the movie
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2023, 01:43:55 PM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 03, 2023, 06:12:06 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2023, 06:01:46 PMI can just imagine the little guy sprouting webs and towing Ripley to shore with its tail.Lol. xD More likely: its attached to her and like kane etc it supplies her with air and human bodies floats so just a matter of time before she is washed up on shore. ;)
Yep, this is one of those theories I think works really well.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 04, 2023, 06:29:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 04, 2023, 06:29:32 PM
I wasn't kidding about it towing her though. Why else would it grow webbing between its legs if it wasn't using them to swim? If it was just clinging to her face and feeding her oxygen, a regular facehugger could do that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Jan 04, 2023, 11:01:35 PM
Post by: Cosmic Incubation on Jan 04, 2023, 11:01:35 PM
Facehuggers evolving and doing whatever it can to keep it's host alive in hazardous conditions is an interesting concept I'd never thought about.
Kinda adds to the horror, that it wont let you die and/or escape what it wants to do to you.
Kinda adds to the horror, that it wont let you die and/or escape what it wants to do to you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 07, 2023, 02:35:16 PM
Post by: StrangeShape on Jan 07, 2023, 02:35:16 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 03, 2023, 02:11:50 AMSo here's the theory: there were in fact two facehuggers as many who prefer the theatrical cut suggest
Just as a side note, there WERE two facehuggers according to the novelization. One dies on board Sulaco, mortally wounded by cryotube glass
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2023, 05:03:29 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 07, 2023, 05:03:29 PM
The book makes even less sense than the film though, because the second one dies before it can impregnate anybody.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2023, 08:08:09 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 07, 2023, 08:08:09 PM
It's hard enough to rationalize one, let alone two.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2023, 09:58:56 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 07, 2023, 09:58:56 PM
Yeah this is getting out of hand...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jan 07, 2023, 10:08:03 PM
Post by: judge death on Jan 07, 2023, 10:08:03 PM
In the cinema version/theatrical cut to me it has always been two facehuggers spawned from one egg, one got ripley and the other got the dog.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 08, 2023, 12:24:41 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 08, 2023, 12:24:41 AM
I feel at this point a second thread is basically inevitable (Eggs on Sulaco). Maybe by expanding the discourse followed by constant extensive cross-referencing we can finally reach consensus?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2023, 02:42:01 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 08, 2023, 02:42:01 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jan 08, 2023, 12:24:41 AMI feel at this point a second thread is basically inevitable (Eggs on Sulaco). Maybe by expanding the discourse followed by constant extensive cross-referencing we can finally reach consensus?
The prop first made when the studio ordered the egg scene be filmed was a cluster of eggs. Novel claims two facehuggers, evidence in the movie suggests more than one hugger, video game adaptations always feature multiple eggs... to me, the movie only showed an open egg to satisfy the test audiences on the subject of where the hugger came from.. but whilst that scene wasn't intended to be in the movie at all, after adding it, I don't think the intention was that there is only one egg.. it just so happens the we are only shown a single egg.. but I think it is taken too literally... it's the equivalent of counting the eggs around Ripley in aliens and saying "there was only x-amount of eggs in the hive, as that is what we see" likely there are eggs all over the place... just as I feel there are definitely multiple eggs on the sulaco (imo).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2023, 08:40:34 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2023, 08:40:34 AM
Having since learnt that the egg insert came from the reshoots, I do wish the Assembly Cut had still omitted them because that cut they worked from had to have been pre-reshoots. That said, I'd still love to see the inserts with the egg cluster.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: judge death on Jan 10, 2023, 09:44:46 AM
Post by: judge death on Jan 10, 2023, 09:44:46 AM
Get fincher to do his version, which we we were super close to once but fincher missed the phone call... where he edit it, add the scenes he want, the new composition SM told about fox had done some years ago, money to reshot with some actors if need be and mix with cgi. The hive scene added etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 09:46:58 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 09:46:58 AM
Quote from: judge death on Jan 10, 2023, 09:44:46 AMGet fincher to do his version, which we we were super close to once but fincher missed the phone call...
That's a stretch.
Lauzirikia phoned him to talk about what he was doing. Evidently Fincher didn't care enough to return the call.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 10, 2023, 12:15:54 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 10, 2023, 12:15:54 PM
Actually he did return the call, CDL missed it and ran out of time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 10, 2023, 02:26:13 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 10, 2023, 02:26:13 PM
Well Fincher's final workprint submitted was basically the intro for the theatrical cut (minus the egg), then the rest of the movie played out like the assembly cut. He hadn't filmed the burster scene at that time. He also really fought against the queen chestburster "money shot" that the studio ordered feeling it ruined the symbolism. So whilst I myself really enjoy the outdoor scenes of the assembly cut (and quite like the queen burster) basically, would a nice quality version of the workprint (dog burster inserted) be the consensus as "what most in AvP forums want"? (I'm sure this may even be already out there, I'm sure someone made and posted this to myspleen) a "Virtual Director's Cut" with the greenscreen bleed fixed on the rod puppet? (I know someone is already doing the latter with A34K too) but in a nutshell is this what everyone is looking for? It seems an easy fix 😅
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 02:46:26 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 02:46:26 PM
While the dog undoubtedly has more emotional impact, I actually prefer the version with the ox.
In my head it helps explain why the host uncharacteristically dies before the Alien births, because ox ribs must be pretty tough compared to human (or dog) ribs, right? So maybe it couldn't get out at the usual stage, kept growing, and eventually the ox dies from asphyxiation when this thing fills up too much its chest cavity. Then when it's big and strong enough, it busts out. The late birth is explained, as is the fact the "bambiburster" itself is so much more developed than normal when it finally emerges.
Also Gregor's like about queens and whores in the added slaughterhouse scene cracks me up, so I wouldn't wanna lost that :laugh:
Tbh the only thing I don't like about the extended version is the music getting ruined during Ripely's death, but in terms of her chestubrster I'm with Fincher - the scene's so much better without it.
In my head it helps explain why the host uncharacteristically dies before the Alien births, because ox ribs must be pretty tough compared to human (or dog) ribs, right? So maybe it couldn't get out at the usual stage, kept growing, and eventually the ox dies from asphyxiation when this thing fills up too much its chest cavity. Then when it's big and strong enough, it busts out. The late birth is explained, as is the fact the "bambiburster" itself is so much more developed than normal when it finally emerges.
Also Gregor's like about queens and whores in the added slaughterhouse scene cracks me up, so I wouldn't wanna lost that :laugh:
Tbh the only thing I don't like about the extended version is the music getting ruined during Ripely's death, but in terms of her chestubrster I'm with Fincher - the scene's so much better without it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 10, 2023, 03:59:51 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 10, 2023, 03:59:51 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 02:46:26 PMIn my head it helps explain why the host uncharacteristically dies before the Alien births, because ox ribs must be pretty tough compared to human (or dog) ribs, right? So maybe it couldn't get out at the usual stage, kept growing, and eventually the ox dies from asphyxiation when this thing fills up too much its chest cavity. Then when it's big and strong enough, it busts out. The late birth is explained, as is the fact the "bambiburster" itself is so much more developed than normal when it finally emerges.
This shit right here is why I love fandom
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 02:46:26 PMTbh the only thing I don't like about the extended version is the music getting ruined during Ripely's death
Maybe it because I watched theatrical cut probably 2-3 times in my entire life and simply don't know what to compare it to but I never felt there's something off with the music in that scene in AC
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 04:40:53 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 04:40:53 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 10, 2023, 03:59:51 PMMaybe it because I watched theatrical cut probably 2-3 times in my entire life and simply don't know what to compare it to but I never felt there's something off with the music in that scene in AC
They had to cut a whole measure out of Goldenthal's score when Ripley jumps to her death, and in the original theatrical cut it's probably the most epic bit of music in the whole film. It's not that it's an obvious edit or shoddily done, it's just they cut out the crescendo of the entire score, and once you notice it you can't unnotice it.
I mean, I get there was a reason they had to do it... it just sucks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 25, 2023, 04:08:57 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 25, 2023, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 02:46:26 PMWhile the dog undoubtedly has more emotional impact, I actually prefer the version with the ox.
In my head it helps explain why the host uncharacteristically dies before the Alien births, because ox ribs must be pretty tough compared to human (or dog) ribs, right? So maybe it couldn't get out at the usual stage, kept growing, and eventually the ox dies from asphyxiation when this thing fills up too much its chest cavity. Then when it's big and strong enough, it busts out. The late birth is explained, as is the fact the "bambiburster" itself is so much more developed than normal when it finally emerges.
Also Gregor's like about queens and whores in the added slaughterhouse scene cracks me up, so I wouldn't wanna lost that :laugh:
Tbh the only thing I don't like about the extended version is the music getting ruined during Ripely's death, but in terms of her chestubrster I'm with Fincher - the scene's so much better without it.
I agree with that, makes more sense for the chestburster being as developed as it is. And rib cages are supposed to be fairly tough, so an ox should be tougher than a humans, that being said though, I would have though the chestburster should be able to move around enough to try breaking through the fleshy parts instead.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2023, 09:43:54 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 25, 2023, 09:43:54 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2023, 02:46:26 PMWhile the dog undoubtedly has more emotional impact, I actually prefer the version with the ox.
In my head it helps explain why the host uncharacteristically dies before the Alien births, because ox ribs must be pretty tough compared to human (or dog) ribs, right? So maybe it couldn't get out at the usual stage, kept growing, and eventually the ox dies from asphyxiation when this thing fills up too much its chest cavity. Then when it's big and strong enough, it busts out. The late birth is explained, as is the fact the "bambiburster" itself is so much more developed than normal when it finally emerges.
Also Gregor's like about queens and whores in the added slaughterhouse scene cracks me up, so I wouldn't wanna lost that :laugh:
Tbh the only thing I don't like about the extended version is the music getting ruined during Ripely's death, but in terms of her chestubrster I'm with Fincher - the scene's so much better without it.
*Frank's line about queens and whores.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 25, 2023, 10:21:43 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 25, 2023, 10:21:43 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 26, 2023, 12:46:22 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jan 26, 2023, 12:46:22 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 26, 2023, 10:48:15 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 26, 2023, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 25, 2023, 09:43:54 PM*Frank's line about queens and whores.God damnit :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 26, 2023, 12:55:40 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 26, 2023, 12:55:40 PM
@SM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long time no see ! Welcome back !
So much has happened while you were away ! For example, a full-blown war started in my country ! Do you have anything to do with it ?
Long time no see ! Welcome back !
So much has happened while you were away ! For example, a full-blown war started in my country ! Do you have anything to do with it ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jan 26, 2023, 04:36:04 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jan 26, 2023, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 26, 2023, 12:55:40 PM@SM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And making a return on this thread, of them all! ;D
Long time no see ! Welcome back !
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Jan 26, 2023, 05:07:46 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jan 26, 2023, 05:07:46 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 02:49:04 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2023, 02:49:04 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Jan 26, 2023, 12:55:40 PM@SM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long time no see ! Welcome back !
So much has happened while you were away ! For example, a full-blown war started in my country ! Do you have anything to do with it ?
I think he may have just faded into Bolivian again. :(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jan 28, 2023, 07:16:52 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jan 28, 2023, 07:16:52 AM
First Last Of Us, now this. You can't catch a break, can you ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 28, 2023, 03:18:47 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 28, 2023, 03:18:47 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 08, 2023, 12:45:08 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 08, 2023, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 26, 2023, 10:48:15 AMQuote from: SM on Jan 25, 2023, 09:43:54 PM*Frank's line about queens and whores.God damnit :laugh:
Dude's name's even stated in the scene itself.
"Right Frank?"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2023, 05:06:21 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2023, 05:06:21 AM
I think we all need to make more of an effort at misquoting the prisoners from Alien 3 from now on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2023, 08:00:48 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2023, 08:00:48 PM
The Egg on Sulaco fan convention and anniversary should be sacredly celebrated every first day of November 👉👈
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 19, 2023, 11:13:35 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Feb 19, 2023, 11:13:35 PM
Egg on Sulaco actually sounds like a recipe for breakfast.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Mar 22, 2023, 04:51:39 AM
Post by: Engineer on Mar 22, 2023, 04:51:39 AM
This thread is nearly 300 pages long and started 17 years ago.
Kind of amazing.
Kind of amazing.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 22, 2023, 09:55:26 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 22, 2023, 09:55:26 AM
Is the egg still on the Sulaco?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 22, 2023, 10:49:23 AM
Post by: David Weyland on Mar 22, 2023, 10:49:23 AM
It was solved on page 23 but everyone was game to keep the thread going
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Retropocalypse on Mar 22, 2023, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: Retropocalypse on Mar 22, 2023, 11:24:00 AM
I blame Bishop. He had ample time to call the dropship down, retrieve a specimen, return it to the Sulaco, then go and pick up Ripley, Newt, and Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 22, 2023, 11:29:19 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 22, 2023, 11:29:19 AM
We need some fresh takes on this
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 22, 2023, 02:29:27 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 22, 2023, 02:29:27 PM
Ok, so I want to revisit the acid melting through the floor just before Bishop is impaled by the queens tail (I know, I know, there have been a *gazillion* variations on this theory already, ranging from Bishop being 'stung', to his legs eggmorphing, to walking ovomorph..non have sat well with me as plausible) so (and apologies if this has already been suggested...its a looong thread) as a slight variation on that, I wanna talk about secreted resin and what we *actually* saw in Alien directors cut vs what we may presume we saw;
So we don't know how the secreted resin / hive works...we've never *seen* it be made on screen, and its unclear whether xenomorph 'build / construct' it, or whether it is also capable of biological growth itself. Consider the sort of silver-looking biomechnical 'nest' we see in the lower decks of the Nostromo on the walls just prior to seeing Dallas and Brett - when we consider the acidity of xenomorph blood, was all of that secreted resin, or was that in part the metal of the ship walls itself getting melted/eaten away/consumed by the biological material secreted by the xeno in order to spread/grow? (I will come back to this in a moment as to why it'd be relevant).
Whilst I love the theory of eggmorphing myself, it has been documented that officially, the intention was not the the hosts were undergoing metamorphosis into an ovomorph, but rather, were dissolving to feed the developing ovomorph nutrients. With that in mind, when you consider the size of an ovomorph, if they were not formed *by* the bodies of Dallas and Brett, its also unlikely that drone could lay one (never mind two) - consider, we see yolk-like developing eggs spill from the queens egg sack when Ripley blasts it with a grenade launcher, showing they develop within the egg sack, not within the queens body itself.
With that in mind, I was reminded of the production prop photo of the eggs (plural) built for Alien 3... and in that picture, you will see what could be considered a (much) smaller, developing egg held in secreted resin alongside the regular sized eggs. whilst we do not see that on screen (only the open ovomorph) it had me thinking... what if ovomorphs can actually grow from the biological material secreted from a xeno. Consider, that in an ideal situation, there would be a drone tending to these eggs, placing hosts to dissolve/feed them nutrients.
With that in mind, here is my hypothesis;
biological material dripping from the queen burns through the floor just prior to Bishop being attacked. it burns into the underside of the grates in the loading bay, and takes root like a spore, growing, eating away at the ships interior whilst Ripley and Co. are in hyper sleep. Within that growing biological material, a cluster of small ovomorphs begin to form. The first to mature opens and the hugger walks to the adjacent cryochamber.. we then see the open ovomorph in the underside of the loading bay in the opening of the movie.
in this way, no egg needed to be laid, hidden or 'conveniently placed' by the queen. No host was required, and Bishop wasn't involved. It also would accounts for the placement/position of the egg in Alien 3, and why ovomorphs would be so high up the wall in Alien Directors cut (such as seen where Brett is cocooned) when the xeno could have simply placed it on the floor. :)
Thoughts?
To support this theory:
https://imgur.com/a/R5CSfNE
There is a picture of a smaller developing egg circled next to full sized ovomorph in the production prop, and in the pic of the open egg that we saw in the opening, I have brightened the image and you can see the dark/black material dripping down the wall around the egg, demonstrating it was not placed there. 😁👍
So we don't know how the secreted resin / hive works...we've never *seen* it be made on screen, and its unclear whether xenomorph 'build / construct' it, or whether it is also capable of biological growth itself. Consider the sort of silver-looking biomechnical 'nest' we see in the lower decks of the Nostromo on the walls just prior to seeing Dallas and Brett - when we consider the acidity of xenomorph blood, was all of that secreted resin, or was that in part the metal of the ship walls itself getting melted/eaten away/consumed by the biological material secreted by the xeno in order to spread/grow? (I will come back to this in a moment as to why it'd be relevant).
Whilst I love the theory of eggmorphing myself, it has been documented that officially, the intention was not the the hosts were undergoing metamorphosis into an ovomorph, but rather, were dissolving to feed the developing ovomorph nutrients. With that in mind, when you consider the size of an ovomorph, if they were not formed *by* the bodies of Dallas and Brett, its also unlikely that drone could lay one (never mind two) - consider, we see yolk-like developing eggs spill from the queens egg sack when Ripley blasts it with a grenade launcher, showing they develop within the egg sack, not within the queens body itself.
With that in mind, I was reminded of the production prop photo of the eggs (plural) built for Alien 3... and in that picture, you will see what could be considered a (much) smaller, developing egg held in secreted resin alongside the regular sized eggs. whilst we do not see that on screen (only the open ovomorph) it had me thinking... what if ovomorphs can actually grow from the biological material secreted from a xeno. Consider, that in an ideal situation, there would be a drone tending to these eggs, placing hosts to dissolve/feed them nutrients.
With that in mind, here is my hypothesis;
biological material dripping from the queen burns through the floor just prior to Bishop being attacked. it burns into the underside of the grates in the loading bay, and takes root like a spore, growing, eating away at the ships interior whilst Ripley and Co. are in hyper sleep. Within that growing biological material, a cluster of small ovomorphs begin to form. The first to mature opens and the hugger walks to the adjacent cryochamber.. we then see the open ovomorph in the underside of the loading bay in the opening of the movie.
in this way, no egg needed to be laid, hidden or 'conveniently placed' by the queen. No host was required, and Bishop wasn't involved. It also would accounts for the placement/position of the egg in Alien 3, and why ovomorphs would be so high up the wall in Alien Directors cut (such as seen where Brett is cocooned) when the xeno could have simply placed it on the floor. :)
Thoughts?
To support this theory:
https://imgur.com/a/R5CSfNE
There is a picture of a smaller developing egg circled next to full sized ovomorph in the production prop, and in the pic of the open egg that we saw in the opening, I have brightened the image and you can see the dark/black material dripping down the wall around the egg, demonstrating it was not placed there. 😁👍
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Retropocalypse on Mar 22, 2023, 03:18:28 PM
Post by: Retropocalypse on Mar 22, 2023, 03:18:28 PM
I asked Rex Pickett about this in 2021 (for those that don't know, Rex was a writer brought onto Alien 3 but his contributions were never included)
This is the response I got from him: https://imgur.com/69RnaxX
This is the response I got from him: https://imgur.com/69RnaxX
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:28:04 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:28:04 PM
Can you embed it? I assume it is just more whining but, I can not know if I can not read it.
By the way his contributions absolutely were included, the finished film flows nearly identically to his script, you can even read his script on this very website.
By the way his contributions absolutely were included, the finished film flows nearly identically to his script, you can even read his script on this very website.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:30:25 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:30:25 PM
Also, just noticed when I uploaded that last picture of the production prop, that if you rotate it to match the scene on screen as closely as possible...
https://i.imgur.com/CjfYUHi.jpg
...then in fact we are not looking at one egg, but potentially two (checkout the lighting on the object below the egg on screen when brightened vs the production prop)giving credit to the "two face huggers in the theatrical cut" debate 😊👍
https://i.imgur.com/CjfYUHi.jpg
...then in fact we are not looking at one egg, but potentially two (checkout the lighting on the object below the egg on screen when brightened vs the production prop)giving credit to the "two face huggers in the theatrical cut" debate 😊👍
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:32:35 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:32:35 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:30:25 PMAlso, just noticed when I uploaded that last picture of the production prop, that if you rotate it to match the scene on screen as closely as possible...
...then in fact we are not looking at one egg, but potentially two (checkout the lighting on the object below the egg on screen when brightened vs the production prop)giving credit to the "two face huggers in the theatrical cut" debate 😊👍
Now that's a goddamn revelation!
@Local Trouble
A clutch of eggs developing under the flooring?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Retropocalypse on Mar 22, 2023, 03:41:16 PM
Post by: Retropocalypse on Mar 22, 2023, 03:41:16 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:28:04 PMCan you embed it? I assume it is just more whining but, I can not know if I can not read it.
By the way his contributions absolutely were included, the finished film flows nearly identically to his script, you can even read his script on this very website.
I wasn't aware of that! I always thought he was brought on to make sense of Hill & Giler's drafts, but any new/original contributions from Rex himself were taken out in the final script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 22, 2023, 09:26:07 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 22, 2023, 09:26:07 PM
Both things can be true. His reworking of the draft seems to be the one used, but none of his actual ideas are in there -- just massaging existing ideas.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2023, 09:25:47 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2023, 09:25:47 AM
Having read Pickett's script (a long time ago), I mostly seem to remember him making all the dialogue worse and the subsequent script(s) reverting to what they had before.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2023, 10:22:06 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2023, 10:22:06 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:32:35 PMThats very interesting, there is something dark developing behind the egg.Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 22, 2023, 03:30:25 PMAlso, just noticed when I uploaded that last picture of the production prop, that if you rotate it to match the scene on screen as closely as possible...
...then in fact we are not looking at one egg, but potentially two (checkout the lighting on the object below the egg on screen when brightened vs the production prop)giving credit to the "two face huggers in the theatrical cut" debate 😊👍
Now that's a goddamn revelation!
https://i.imgur.com/CjfYUHi.jpg
@Local Trouble
A clutch of eggs developing under the flooring?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 23, 2023, 10:36:33 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 23, 2023, 10:36:33 AM
It doesn't look like there's enough space between the egg and the division for a whole egg, but who knows.
They certainly didn't want the audience to think there were two eggs, or they would've lit the other one.
They certainly didn't want the audience to think there were two eggs, or they would've lit the other one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2023, 01:09:25 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Mar 23, 2023, 01:09:25 PM
The "roots" of the egg(s) are also slightly visible
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
"Lit the other one?"
I am sorry I am not familiar with that turn of phrase.
"No! I took what I wanted from them and made it my own." -Rex
I am sorry I am not familiar with that turn of phrase.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2023, 09:25:49 AMHaving read Pickett's script (a long time ago), I mostly seem to remember him making all the dialogue worse and the subsequent script(s) reverting to what they had before.
"No! I took what I wanted from them and made it my own." -Rex
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Mar 23, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 23, 2023, 05:24:10 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2023, 01:40:54 PM"Lit the other one?"As in lit it up so the audience could see it, instead of keeping it in shadows.
I am sorry I am not familiar with that turn of phrase.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 23, 2023, 08:40:18 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 23, 2023, 08:40:18 PM
Yeah not sure what else that could have meant.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2023, 11:56:18 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2023, 11:56:18 PM
I thought it might be an Australian slang for torches and pitchforks or something.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 24, 2023, 12:22:31 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 24, 2023, 12:22:31 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2023, 11:56:18 PMI thought it might be an Australian slang for torches and pitchforks or something.
I'm now reading the original quote in an Australian accent... and I can't unhear it as slang :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 24, 2023, 01:12:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 24, 2023, 01:12:25 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 23, 2023, 11:56:18 PMI thought it might be an Australian slang for torches and pitchforks or something.But how would that make any sense in context? :-\
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2023, 02:02:22 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 24, 2023, 02:02:22 AM
I thought you were saying essentially "We brought out torches and pitchforks over the one Egg, if there were two, oh lord." in a cheeky way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 26, 2023, 03:46:57 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 26, 2023, 03:46:57 AM
Another piece of evidence to support multiple eggs; an original document scheduling reshoots, describes the shot as "eggs" (credit to Strange Shapes for the image) 😊👍
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2023, 05:45:25 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 26, 2023, 05:45:25 AM
It's been known for a long time there were multiple eggs made and on set, the question is if they actually used them both on set and if they consciously decided to only make one visible.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2023, 09:32:32 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2023, 09:32:32 AM
We asked Tom and Alec about this a couple of years back and unfortunately there was no conclusive answer from them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: O_Intelligence on Apr 17, 2023, 10:40:41 PM
Post by: O_Intelligence on Apr 17, 2023, 10:40:41 PM
We need to think bigger. I'd love (love) to see an entire mini-documentary devoted to this enduring thread subject (entitled 'Which Came First?' or somesuch), vitally to encompass interviews of all the main film-makers from screenplay writer(s) to producers to, eventually - somehow - director. Asking James Cameron and Ridley off the cuff would also be nice. :-D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Apr 18, 2023, 05:08:15 AM
Post by: Engineer on Apr 18, 2023, 05:08:15 AM
Good luck
David fincher seems to go out of his way to avoid talking about the film...
David fincher seems to go out of his way to avoid talking about the film...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: O_Intelligence on Apr 19, 2023, 08:18:04 AM
Post by: O_Intelligence on Apr 19, 2023, 08:18:04 AM
Joke. I failed. :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Apr 19, 2023, 09:23:32 AM
Post by: Kradan on Apr 19, 2023, 09:23:32 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 24, 2023, 02:04:55 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Apr 24, 2023, 02:04:55 AM
Egg on Sulaco -> E-- on Su--c- -> conse--u-
CLOSER:
Eggs on Sulaco -> conse-su-
So obviously:
CONFIRMATION:
Good night!
CLOSER:
Eggs on Sulaco -> conse-su-
So obviously:
Spoiler
Seven eggs on Sulaco -> CONSENSUS
[close]
CONFIRMATION:
Spoiler
[close]
Good night!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 26, 2023, 12:52:49 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 26, 2023, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 24, 2023, 02:04:55 AMEgg on Sulaco -> E-- on Su--c- -> conse--u-
CLOSER:
Eggs on Sulaco -> conse-su-
So obviously:Spoiler
Seven eggs on Sulaco -> CONSENSUS[close]
CONFIRMATION:Spoiler
[close]
Good night!
Haha, you jest, but I'm now firmly in the "multiple eggs on the Sulaco" camp 😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2023, 04:34:19 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2023, 04:34:19 AM
ChatGPT has written it all out:
QuoteINT. SULACO HANGAR BAY - NIGHT
Ripley, inside the Power Loader exoskeleton, battles the furious Queen Alien. The Queen, having torn herself free from her egg sac, has a gaping wound in her abdomen, with her innards partially exposed.
As the intense fight continues, a microscopic, undeveloped egg is unknowingly dislodged from the Queen's abdominal cavity. It drops onto the grated floor, virtually invisible to the naked eye, appearing as nothing more than a tiny, harmless blob of slime.
INT. SULACO SUBFLOORING - CONTINUOUS
The minuscule, slimy egg slips through the grates and sticks to the subflooring beneath the hangar bay. There, hidden from sight, it slowly starts to congeal and take root. The resilient Xenomorph life form begins its development process, growing and expanding as it clings to the floor.
INT. SULACO HANGAR BAY - NIGHT
Ripley, still engaged in her life-or-death struggle with the Queen, manages to open the airlock. The vacuum of space sucks the Queen Alien out of the Sulaco, leaving Ripley victorious but completely unaware of the danger that remains hidden on the ship.
INT. SULACO SUBFLOORING - ONE WEEK LATER
The once-microscopic egg has grown to full size, pulsating with life. Unseen by the crew and still attached to the subflooring, the egg awaits its opportunity to unleash the next Xenomorph nightmare.
As the Sulaco continues its journey, the egg senses the presence of potential hosts nearby. It slowly opens, revealing the Facehugger within, poised to strike.
FADE OUT.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 03, 2023, 05:01:26 AM
Post by: SiL on May 03, 2023, 05:01:26 AM
Reassuring to see ChatGPT can't write a script yet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: O_Intelligence on May 03, 2023, 10:36:04 AM
Post by: O_Intelligence on May 03, 2023, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 03, 2023, 04:34:19 AMChatGPT has written it all out:QuoteINT. SULACO HANGAR BAY - NIGHT
Ripley, inside the Power Loader exoskeleton, battles the furious Queen Alien. The Queen, having torn herself free from her egg sac, has a gaping wound in her abdomen, with her innards partially exposed.
As the intense fight continues, a microscopic, undeveloped egg is unknowingly dislodged from the Queen's abdominal cavity. It drops onto the grated floor, virtually invisible to the naked eye, appearing as nothing more than a tiny, harmless blob of slime.
INT. SULACO SUBFLOORING - CONTINUOUS
The minuscule, slimy egg slips through the grates and sticks to the subflooring beneath the hangar bay. There, hidden from sight, it slowly starts to congeal and take root. The resilient Xenomorph life form begins its development process, growing and expanding as it clings to the floor.
INT. SULACO HANGAR BAY - NIGHT
Ripley, still engaged in her life-or-death struggle with the Queen, manages to open the airlock. The vacuum of space sucks the Queen Alien out of the Sulaco, leaving Ripley victorious but completely unaware of the danger that remains hidden on the ship.
INT. SULACO SUBFLOORING - ONE WEEK LATER
The once-microscopic egg has grown to full size, pulsating with life. Unseen by the crew and still attached to the subflooring, the egg awaits its opportunity to unleash the next Xenomorph nightmare.
As the Sulaco continues its journey, the egg senses the presence of potential hosts nearby. It slowly opens, revealing the Facehugger within, poised to strike.
FADE OUT.
Back-handed compliment: It's a desperate attempt at dovetailing, however may be the best and simplest explanation thus far with what we have to work with (in an essence, I think an unsolvable puzzle), 'less the Queen laid an egg more manually when we/Hicks/Newt wasn't looking (and hopefully didn't wink at the camera).
A little obscure (or rather, completely random), however for some reason I automatically heard the epic 'Prologue' music from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night playing during this, where the game starts with the epic protagonist<>antagonist confrontation from the previous game. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2023, 03:44:15 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 03, 2023, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 03, 2023, 05:01:26 AMReassuring to see ChatGPT can't write a script yet.
I'd ask it to script a scenario in which Bishop did it, but I'm afraid it may become self-aware and decide to exterminate humanity if I did.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 03, 2023, 04:10:34 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 03, 2023, 04:10:34 PM
:o maybe you should...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on May 13, 2023, 02:33:04 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on May 13, 2023, 02:33:04 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Apr 18, 2023, 05:08:15 AMGood luck
David fincher seems to go out of his way to avoid talking about the film...
Watched (and re-watched lol) a recent interview with a French film journalist where he talks about it, said it was great to work with Rawlings, etc, said you shouldn't trust first time directors, learned a lot. Overall he seemed to paint it as one giant lesson. Was a tad less bitter than interviews in the past. 😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2023, 02:46:55 AM
Post by: SiL on May 13, 2023, 02:46:55 AM
He's softened on talking about it over the years.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on May 13, 2023, 02:53:37 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on May 13, 2023, 02:53:37 AM
Honestly I could listen to Fincher talk about anything for hours he's such an engaging mind (Alien 3 talk approx. at the 10:40 mark) —
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykcUuZg9hI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykcUuZg9hI
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on May 13, 2023, 05:33:03 AM
Post by: Engineer on May 13, 2023, 05:33:03 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on May 13, 2023, 02:33:04 AMQuote from: Engineer on Apr 18, 2023, 05:08:15 AMGood luck
David fincher seems to go out of his way to avoid talking about the film...
Watched (and re-watched lol) a recent interview with a French film journalist where he talks about it, said it was great to work with Rawlings, etc, said you shouldn't trust first time directors, learned a lot. Overall he seemed to paint it as one giant lesson. Was a tad less bitter than interviews in the past. 😂
Honestly glad to hear this!
Fincher is one of my favorite directors. I don't think he's ever made a film I disliked.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 13, 2023, 11:37:36 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 13, 2023, 11:37:36 AM
The Game has a pretty woeful ending tbh.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Inverse Effect on May 19, 2023, 01:23:26 AM
Post by: Inverse Effect on May 19, 2023, 01:23:26 AM
Did Alien 3 have any novels explaining anything about it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on May 19, 2023, 05:41:39 AM
Post by: Engineer on May 19, 2023, 05:41:39 AM
Quote from: Inverse Effect on May 19, 2023, 01:23:26 AMDid Alien 3 have any novels explaining anything about it?
Oh this will be fun... I'll be back with my popcorn lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 19, 2023, 11:44:00 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 19, 2023, 11:44:00 AM
The only noteworthy thing to me being the original Dark Horse adaptation omitted the first glimpses of the Alien as the film should have.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 19, 2023, 08:34:11 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 19, 2023, 08:34:11 PM
But the comic adaptation showed the queen crawling out of Newt and into Ripley. That was on page 2 of the first issue.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 19, 2023, 09:16:55 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 19, 2023, 09:16:55 PM
Which was rightfully omitted interesting as it is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 06:04:21 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 06:04:21 AM
In the Assembly Cut I get the impression Bishop stashed eggs on board. Part of why he wanted to be deactivated forever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 07:17:18 AM
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 07:17:18 AM
The Assembly Cut doesn't add anything to Bishop's conversation.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on May 27, 2023, 07:41:02 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on May 27, 2023, 07:41:02 AM
Bishop wouldn't have had the time or opportunity to do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 27, 2023, 10:22:15 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 27, 2023, 10:22:15 AM
Or any inclination to.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:31:17 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:31:17 PM
Except he may have been programmed by Weyland to.
Remember David and Elizabeth's discussion:
Eliz: What will you do when you don't have Weyland to program you anymore?
David: I suppose I will be free.
Eliz: You want that?
David: Want.. not a concept I am familiar with. That said don't all children want their parents dead?
David was programmed, so it stands to reason Bishop was programmed, he even mentions the laws in the mess hall Cornbread scene that he has laws in his programming that he cannot hurt humans. Nothing says Weyland-Yutani didn't program him to acquire embryos of Xenolife at all costs, even if he ethically wouldn't want to.
As for time, Bishop had those 15 minutes Ripley went after Newt and they came back to landing pad and he was gone. Also it could be why The Queen split Bishop in half, when Aliens don't seem to act violent towards synthetics, a la David, but if Bishop took eggs from the Nest or a stash somewhere, The Queen would likely retaliate in a maternal manner.
Remember David and Elizabeth's discussion:
Eliz: What will you do when you don't have Weyland to program you anymore?
David: I suppose I will be free.
Eliz: You want that?
David: Want.. not a concept I am familiar with. That said don't all children want their parents dead?
David was programmed, so it stands to reason Bishop was programmed, he even mentions the laws in the mess hall Cornbread scene that he has laws in his programming that he cannot hurt humans. Nothing says Weyland-Yutani didn't program him to acquire embryos of Xenolife at all costs, even if he ethically wouldn't want to.
As for time, Bishop had those 15 minutes Ripley went after Newt and they came back to landing pad and he was gone. Also it could be why The Queen split Bishop in half, when Aliens don't seem to act violent towards synthetics, a la David, but if Bishop took eggs from the Nest or a stash somewhere, The Queen would likely retaliate in a maternal manner.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:34:03 PM
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:34:03 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:31:17 PMExcept he may have been programmed by Weyland to.Bishop wasn't owned or operated by WY. He was with the government.
Nothing says Weyland-Yitani didn't program him to acquire embryos of Xenolife at all costs.
The movie says he wasn't programmed to acquire embryos at all costs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 27, 2023, 09:34:29 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 27, 2023, 09:34:29 PM
Not this again. He was made by Hyperdine and owned by the military.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PM
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PM
Bishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 27, 2023, 09:37:23 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 27, 2023, 09:37:23 PM
True, I just realised the wiki is citing a f**king Kenner toy on that one ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PMBishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
But Ash was Hyperdyne as well, Burke says that in the scene before cornbread comment.
So how does that refute my theory? If Bishop is same company as Ash, Ash was programmed to bring back the lifeform (Xenomorph).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on May 27, 2023, 10:06:26 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on May 27, 2023, 10:06:26 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PMBishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
But Ash was Hyperdyne as well, Burke says that in the scene before cornbread comment.
So how does that refute my theory? If Bishop is same company as Ash, Ash was programmed to bring back the lifeform (Xenomorph).
It 100% was not Bishop.
1: If it were Bishop, the egg would be stored safely in stasis for return to the company labs.
2: If he wished to infect the ship, he would place the egg on the ground, not mount it in an awkward position.
3: The egg is surrounded by secreted resin. Bishop didn't secrete it.
4: the egg is most likely under the floor, adjacent to the cryo chamber, evidence would suggest beneath the loading bay, the same under-floor crawl space as we saw Newt trying to avoid the queen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:10:41 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:10:41 PM
To me its not Bishop was like Ash, but programming forced him, like the T-X did in Terminator 3, so Bishop wouldn't be a villian, but controlled by codes that Ash was controlled by, only Bishop wanted to resist said commands, but couldn't.
Alien3 has writing mess, so I get I ma trying to rationalize what is a clusterfarrik.
Alien3 has writing mess, so I get I ma trying to rationalize what is a clusterfarrik.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:51:48 PM
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PMBishop was (maybe?) made by WY but owned and operated by the government. Or made by Hyperdyne. It's unclear.Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PMBishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
But Ash was Hyperdyne as well, Burke says that in the scene before cornbread comment.
So how does that refute my theory? If Bishop is same company as Ash, Ash was programmed to bring back the lifeform (Xenomorph).
Ash was made by Hyperdyne but owned and operated by WY.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:56:13 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:56:13 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:51:48 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PMBishop was (maybe?) made by WY but owned and operated by the government. Or made by Hyperdyne. It's unclear.Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PMBishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
But Ash was Hyperdyne as well, Burke says that in the scene before cornbread comment.
So how does that refute my theory? If Bishop is same company as Ash, Ash was programmed to bring back the lifeform (Xenomorph).
Ash was made by Hyperdyne but owned and operated by WY.
Are these distinctions in the films? I have watched them so many times and Weyland comed across as the goverment.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:00:15 PM
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:56:13 PMAre these distinctions in the films? I have watched them so many times and Weyland comed across as the goverment.All of this is in the movies. The Company is never shown as the government, or above the government.
The entire plot of Aliens is based on the Company not being part of or more powerful than the government. It's made very clear throughout, such as when Ripley tells Burke has no authority despite being the only Company representative present.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 11:07:44 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 11:07:44 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:00:15 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:56:13 PMAre these distinctions in the films? I have watched them so many times and Weyland comed across as the goverment.All of this is in the movies. The Company is never shown as the government, or above the government.
The entire plot of Aliens is based on the Company not being part of or more powerful than the government. It's made very clear throughout, such as when Ripley tells Burke has no authority despite being the only Company representative present.
Now I remember its when Ripley says "Corp. Hicks has authority," not Burke. Need to do a rewatch and pay attention to the politics between govt and Weyland.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:16:30 PM
Post by: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:16:30 PM
In the inquiry scene, Burke is the only person from the company.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:14:20 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:14:20 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:16:30 PMIn the inquiry scene, Burke is the only person from the company.
Theatrical or Director's Cut?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 28, 2023, 01:15:43 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on May 28, 2023, 01:15:43 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 28, 2023, 01:21:50 AM
Post by: SiL on May 28, 2023, 01:21:50 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:14:20 AMBoth. There's no difference in who is present.Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:16:30 PMIn the inquiry scene, Burke is the only person from the company.
Theatrical or Director's Cut?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:31:19 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:31:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 28, 2023, 01:21:50 AMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:14:20 AMBoth. There's no difference in who is present.Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:16:30 PMIn the inquiry scene, Burke is the only person from the company.
Theatrical or Director's Cut?
Well sometimes there is more exposition and detail in director's cuts, and I watch the theatrical version almost exclusively, so I wasn't sure if more scenes covered the govt in The Inquiry scene.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 28, 2023, 01:37:10 AM
Post by: SiL on May 28, 2023, 01:37:10 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:31:19 AMThe DC has a brief scene where Burke explains who's present to Ripley, while delivering news about her dead daughter.Quote from: SiL on May 28, 2023, 01:21:50 AMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 01:14:20 AMBoth. There's no difference in who is present.Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 11:16:30 PMIn the inquiry scene, Burke is the only person from the company.
Theatrical or Director's Cut?
Well sometimes there is more exposition and detail in director's cuts, and I watch the theatrical version almost exclusively, so I wasn't sure if more scenes covered the govt in The Inquiry scene.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on May 28, 2023, 02:53:27 AM
Post by: Eal on May 28, 2023, 02:53:27 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 27, 2023, 10:06:26 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PMBishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
But Ash was Hyperdyne as well, Burke says that in the scene before cornbread comment.
So how does that refute my theory? If Bishop is same company as Ash, Ash was programmed to bring back the lifeform (Xenomorph).
It 100% was not Bishop.
1: If it were Bishop, the egg would be stored safely in stasis for return to the company labs.
2: If he wished to infect the ship, he would place the egg on the ground, not mount it in an awkward position.
3: The egg is surrounded by secreted resin. Bishop didn't secrete it.
4: the egg is most likely under the floor, adjacent to the cryo chamber, evidence would suggest beneath the loading bay, the same under-floor crawl space as we saw Newt trying to avoid the queen.
Just to pose the open question: Why didn't the writers /make/ Bishop's wound the cause of the outbreak? The Queen's stab leaving Genetic material has always made way more sense to me when I've seen the draft Alien 3 scripts than the lazy result we get in the finished film of "It was with us all the way". Whatever, this was/is 20th Century we're dealing with.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 02:59:08 AM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 02:59:08 AM
Quote from: caffeine4671 on May 28, 2023, 02:53:27 AMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 27, 2023, 10:06:26 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PMBishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
But Ash was Hyperdyne as well, Burke says that in the scene before cornbread comment.
So how does that refute my theory? If Bishop is same company as Ash, Ash was programmed to bring back the lifeform (Xenomorph).
It 100% was not Bishop.
1: If it were Bishop, the egg would be stored safely in stasis for return to the company labs.
2: If he wished to infect the ship, he would place the egg on the ground, not mount it in an awkward position.
3: The egg is surrounded by secreted resin. Bishop didn't secrete it.
4: the egg is most likely under the floor, adjacent to the cryo chamber, evidence would suggest beneath the loading bay, the same under-floor crawl space as we saw Newt trying to avoid the queen.
Just to pose the open question: Why didn't the writers /make/ Bishop's wound the cause of the outbreak? The Queen's stab leaving Genetic material has always made way more sense to me when I've seen the draft Alien 3 scripts than the lazy result we get in the finished film of "It was with us all the way". Whatever, this was/is 20th Century we're dealing with.
Oh that's in the original Alien3 script which is now a book in bookstores.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on May 28, 2023, 03:11:33 AM
Post by: Eal on May 28, 2023, 03:11:33 AM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 28, 2023, 02:59:08 AMQuote from: caffeine4671 on May 28, 2023, 02:53:27 AMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on May 27, 2023, 10:06:26 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 09:51:00 PMQuote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 09:35:32 PMBishop was made by WY, going by A3. Ash was Hyperdyne.
But Ash was Hyperdyne as well, Burke says that in the scene before cornbread comment.
So how does that refute my theory? If Bishop is same company as Ash, Ash was programmed to bring back the lifeform (Xenomorph).
It 100% was not Bishop.
1: If it were Bishop, the egg would be stored safely in stasis for return to the company labs.
2: If he wished to infect the ship, he would place the egg on the ground, not mount it in an awkward position.
3: The egg is surrounded by secreted resin. Bishop didn't secrete it.
4: the egg is most likely under the floor, adjacent to the cryo chamber, evidence would suggest beneath the loading bay, the same under-floor crawl space as we saw Newt trying to avoid the queen.
Just to pose the open question: Why didn't the writers /make/ Bishop's wound the cause of the outbreak? The Queen's stab leaving Genetic material has always made way more sense to me when I've seen the draft Alien 3 scripts than the lazy result we get in the finished film of "It was with us all the way". Whatever, this was/is 20th Century we're dealing with.
Oh that's in the original Alien3 script which is now a book in bookstores.
I know that it's in the Gibson script that the Alien 3 comic is based on, but I've seen it in Eric Red's script too.
...Of course I could be suffering from Walter-Simonson's-Disease and misremembering Eric Red's script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on May 28, 2023, 05:07:30 AM
Post by: ralfy on May 28, 2023, 05:07:30 AM
FWIW, I'm reminded of Bishop telling Ripley that "Mr. Burke" gave him specific instructions to keep the facehuggers in stasis for the company labs. It doesn't explain what happened to the Sulaco, of course.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 28, 2023, 06:55:25 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 28, 2023, 06:55:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 09:45:12 PMSo long as they adhered to whatever safety protocols governed the containment of virulent organisms, I see no reason why Bishop would have disobeyed Burke's orders. My belief is that Ripley knew this too, which is why she had to resort to threats of tattling to the ICC about his specimens.
It's also my belief that bringing dangerous specimens back to Earth wasn't illegal, but smuggling them was. Burke may have been afraid, like before, that a bureaucratic quagmire would have jeopardized the reward he was expecting for quietly delivering the aliens to the company labs.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 26, 2017, 11:46:36 PMEven if the ICC had eventually allowed the company to retain ownership of the specimens that Burke brought back, it may have taken a long time and lots of money to attain that result.
It's a typical case of a large corporation trying to skirt government regulations.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 28, 2023, 07:44:27 AM
Post by: SiL on May 28, 2023, 07:44:27 AM
As someone who lives in a country with strict border control, you can bring whatever you like into the country.
Whether it'll stay with you past border control is another thing entirely.
It's also unclear if Bishop would've tried to preserve the living specimens or was talking specifically about the dead ones he was working on.
Whether it'll stay with you past border control is another thing entirely.
It's also unclear if Bishop would've tried to preserve the living specimens or was talking specifically about the dead ones he was working on.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 28, 2023, 08:08:34 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 28, 2023, 08:08:34 AM
I'd just assume that Burke not only wanted the live specimens, but all of the dead ones and any tissue samples that Bishop may have taken during his dissections.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 17, 2021, 07:30:05 AMI thought Bishop looked pretty uneasy about Burke's instructions. Even so, as the ranking company rep, Burke may have had a legitimate claim to the find which Bishop had no legal authority to deny.
Besides, he didn't say that he was going to smuggle them through ICC quarantine for Burke. I'd imagine he thought the whole thing would be done by the book.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on May 29, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Post by: Eal on May 29, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
If Fincher bothered with having continuity in his film, maybe the egg on the Sulaco would make sense.
As it stands, you basically have to re-contextualize your entire understanding of the Sulaco design- and layout-wise, due to Fincher making the choice to deliberately ignore any continuity. Kind of irritating really.
As it stands, you basically have to re-contextualize your entire understanding of the Sulaco design- and layout-wise, due to Fincher making the choice to deliberately ignore any continuity. Kind of irritating really.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 29, 2023, 09:51:03 PM
Post by: SiL on May 29, 2023, 09:51:03 PM
Yeah it was absolutely not Fincher who put the egg there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on May 29, 2023, 09:55:20 PM
Post by: Eal on May 29, 2023, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 29, 2023, 09:51:03 PMYeah it was absolutely not Fincher who put the egg there.
I'm 100% aware he didn't, it was in several drafts, along with a screenplay of them already being consumed by the alien organism when a team arrived (Eric Red). The producers and previous writers put it there, and would've put something else there if not an egg.
It's the lack of design continuity that I'm referring to. Had Fincher simply done something like perhaps changing the lighting and maybe color-textures on the Sulaco, new camera angles, he could've gotten an entirely different feeling without needing to throw continuity away.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 29, 2023, 10:22:51 PM
Post by: SiL on May 29, 2023, 10:22:51 PM
As in he wasn't part of the reshoots that added the eggs into the film. He literally has nothing to do with where we see them in the movie. The version he made never showed the eggs, they'd been taken out of the script.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 29, 2023, 11:09:14 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on May 29, 2023, 11:09:14 PM
Pity David Fincher did not come back in 2002 or 2009 and excise the scene like the tumor it is on the f**king narrative.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on May 30, 2023, 03:00:18 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on May 30, 2023, 03:00:18 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 29, 2023, 11:09:14 PMPity David Fincher did not come back in 2002 or 2009 and excise the scene like the tumor it is on the f**king narrative.
How much do you hate the egg scene?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Necronomicon II on May 30, 2023, 04:15:36 AM
Post by: Necronomicon II on May 30, 2023, 04:15:36 AM
Egg-stremely.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on May 30, 2023, 07:32:41 PM
Post by: Eal on May 30, 2023, 07:32:41 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 29, 2023, 10:22:51 PMAs in he wasn't part of the reshoots that added the eggs into the film. He literally has nothing to do with where we see them in the movie. The version he made never showed the eggs, they'd been taken out of the script.
Vincent Ward?
QuoteThe Woman speaks. Her message repeats itself. A tape loop, although John has no idea what that is.
WOMAN
...taking pod four. The Crew of the SS Sulaco and all Marine commandoes are dead. Ship's sensors have interrupted the hyper sleep cycle. An overlooked alien egg has hatched. Bishop and Hicks have been killed. Xenomorphs have infested the cruiser. Newt and I are taking pod four. The Crew of...
QuoteAn overlooked alien egg has hatched. Bishop and Hicks have been killed.
Edit: Derp. Larry Ferguson and Walter Hill, no?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on May 30, 2023, 08:41:49 PM
Post by: SiL on May 30, 2023, 08:41:49 PM
I've no idea who was on set for those shots. I don't think it was either of them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 31, 2023, 01:34:45 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 31, 2023, 01:34:45 PM
The egg was an addition that came during reshoots after Fincher was kicked off the production.
https://youtu.be/XUV44JMhx5A?t=529
It starts about when there was no chestburster, but talks about there being no egg too.
https://youtu.be/XUV44JMhx5A?t=529
It starts about when there was no chestburster, but talks about there being no egg too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jun 01, 2023, 04:09:27 PM
Post by: Eal on Jun 01, 2023, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 31, 2023, 01:34:45 PMThe egg was an addition that came during reshoots after Fincher was kicked off the production.
https://youtu.be/XUV44JMhx5A?t=529
It starts about when there was no chestburster, but talks about there being no egg too.
That's interesting! I wonder if that's also the window of time that Larry Ferguson collaborated with Fincher before he was kicked off and Giler and Hill did their rewrites and reshoots (unless my knowledge of the shooting schedule is messed up)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2023, 10:24:25 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2023, 10:24:25 PM
So Larry did the initial write for Hill and Giler before they took over. You're thinking of Rex Pickett who did work with Fincher before he was ousted. I have another video for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuxQ_xAb-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuxQ_xAb-Y
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jun 02, 2023, 09:00:45 PM
Post by: Eal on Jun 02, 2023, 09:00:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2023, 10:24:25 PMSo Larry did the initial write for Hill and Giler before they took over. You're thinking of Rex Pickett who did work with Fincher before he was ousted. I have another video for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuxQ_xAb-Y
I hate being a bad fan, but I dunno if I can sit through the entire interview with Pickett. Does he mention him and Fincher trying it without the egg or chestburster and seeing how the audience reacted?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jun 02, 2023, 10:07:09 PM
Post by: SiL on Jun 02, 2023, 10:07:09 PM
There's no egg in the script. It was only added in reshoots after Fincher left. The chest bursting was in and out and in and out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jun 02, 2023, 10:16:11 PM
Post by: Eal on Jun 02, 2023, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 02, 2023, 10:07:09 PMThere's no egg in the script. It was only added in reshoots after Fincher left. The chest bursting was in and out and in and out.
Danke schön.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2023, 11:58:34 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2023, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: caffeine4671 on Jun 02, 2023, 09:00:45 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2023, 10:24:25 PMSo Larry did the initial write for Hill and Giler before they took over. You're thinking of Rex Pickett who did work with Fincher before he was ousted. I have another video for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuxQ_xAb-Y
I hate being a bad fan, but I dunno if I can sit through the entire interview with Pickett. Does he mention him and Fincher trying it without the egg or chestburster and seeing how the audience reacted?
I don't blame you. It's hard to sit through nonsense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jun 03, 2023, 12:00:48 AM
Post by: Eal on Jun 03, 2023, 12:00:48 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 02, 2023, 11:58:34 PMLolQuote from: caffeine4671 on Jun 02, 2023, 09:00:45 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 01, 2023, 10:24:25 PMSo Larry did the initial write for Hill and Giler before they took over. You're thinking of Rex Pickett who did work with Fincher before he was ousted. I have another video for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuxQ_xAb-Y
I hate being a bad fan, but I dunno if I can sit through the entire interview with Pickett. Does he mention him and Fincher trying it without the egg or chestburster and seeing how the audience reacted?
I don't blame you. It's hard to sit through nonsense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jun 07, 2023, 12:14:08 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jun 07, 2023, 12:14:08 PM
PO guys discuss the matter in their latest episode (https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/217-the-egg-the-sulaco-a-roundtable-discussion/)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jun 07, 2023, 11:05:50 PM
Post by: Eal on Jun 07, 2023, 11:05:50 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 07, 2023, 12:14:08 PMPO guys discuss the matter in their latest episode (https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/217-the-egg-the-sulaco-a-roundtable-discussion/)
I mean, yeah. If you accept the fantastical realism of the Alien species properties, it's believable (to me anyway) that a dying queen could deposit a type of emergency spore. It's just...they don't really show or imply that at all on screen, they just show a randomly open egg in a random corridor and you're led to believe it got aboard somehow and they overlooked it.
I think when fans posit theories like these however, they're ironically doing more work than the original writers probably did on justifying these story points. They needed an Alien egg aboard the Sulaco, so they put one aboard the Sulaco. I'm still surprised to this day that they didn't just recycle Gibson's "Bishops lower half is injected with Spore material". At least you can see the queen's tail stab him in Aliens...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 08, 2023, 12:28:05 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 08, 2023, 12:28:05 AM
It never had any thought given to it because it was implemented without any Director input.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jun 08, 2023, 12:54:42 AM
Post by: Eal on Jun 08, 2023, 12:54:42 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 08, 2023, 12:28:05 AMIt never had any thought given to it because it was implemented without any Director input.
That's the thing. There wasn't much thought to it given in any of the scripts prior to that decision and after Gibson's drafts. Ward's script matter o'factly just says it's "an overlooked alien egg" and the outbreak has already happened, Red's script ignores the question entirely and just supposes it happened somehow.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jun 19, 2023, 07:21:28 PM
Post by: City Hunter Yautja on Jun 19, 2023, 07:21:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jun 02, 2023, 10:07:09 PMThere's no egg in the script. It was only added in reshoots after Fincher left. The chest bursting was in and out and in and out.
Facehugger sings: "Breath in! Breath out!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hyy1KZoNZQ
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2023, 02:19:41 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2023, 02:19:41 AM
Thread by thread, we weave,
The Sulaco's tale retold,
In consensus, believe.
The Sulaco's tale retold,
In consensus, believe.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 04:06:01 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 04:06:01 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 09, 2023, 03:33:26 AMGood to hear that, but I'll see if I can help out in that thread, too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 09, 2023, 04:14:44 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 09, 2023, 04:14:44 AM
Both this thread and the other turned into grey sludge, impossible to engage meaningfully with?
Good.
Good.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 04:21:01 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 04:21:01 AM
You sound anti-consensus!?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2023, 04:36:31 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2023, 04:36:31 AM
This is still the most important thread on the internet! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jul 09, 2023, 05:10:43 AM
Post by: Kradan on Jul 09, 2023, 05:10:43 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 04:06:01 AMQuote from: ralfy on Jul 09, 2023, 03:33:26 AMGood to hear that, but I'll see if I can help out in that thread, too.
Sounds like a threat
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 05:57:03 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 05:57:03 AM
I'm sure ralfy will respect and contribute to the analytical level of this thread.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 09, 2023, 06:05:23 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 09, 2023, 06:05:23 AM
Ralfy will say Bishop put the egg on board when Ripley was collecting Newt, because he was programmed to.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 06:13:22 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 06:13:22 AM
Well..
Spoiler
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 09, 2023, 03:33:26 AMHere's something to think about: Bishop receiving orders from Burke, and people still figuring out how those eggs were found on the Sulaco.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Jul 09, 2023, 06:14:47 AM
Post by: oduodu on Jul 09, 2023, 06:14:47 AM
the future of every thread now hangs in the balance. a majorshift in the balance of the universe has happened.
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.
YOU HAVE MY SYMPATHIES.
GIVEN YOUR RESOURCES .....YOU STAND NO CH.....
MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.
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GIVEN YOUR RESOURCES .....YOU STAND NO CH.....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 09, 2023, 06:16:45 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 09, 2023, 06:16:45 AM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 06:13:22 AMWell..Hence why I said what I said. :PSpoiler
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 09, 2023, 03:33:26 AMHere's something to think about: Bishop receiving orders from Burke, and people still figuring out how those eggs were found on the Sulaco.[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2023, 06:23:54 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2023, 06:23:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 09, 2023, 06:05:23 AMRalfy will say Bishop put the egg on board when Ripley was collecting Newt, because he was programmed to.
And somehow it'll make all the sense in the world to him.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 06:36:27 AM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 06:36:27 AM
Like a private consensus?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 09, 2023, 07:16:42 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 09, 2023, 07:16:42 AM
Jfc what the hell is going on?? 😂 it's like a virus
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Jul 09, 2023, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: Kradan on Jul 09, 2023, 06:17:00 PM
PO Guys Strike Again ! And this time they got Alex White ! (https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/e/219-the-egg-and-the-sulaco-part-two-alex-white-weighs-in-and-so-do-you/)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2023, 09:09:18 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2023, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 09, 2023, 07:16:42 AMJfc what the hell is going on?? 😂 it's like a virus
Haven't you heard? It's the new pandemic - I'm hand washing twice as often and social distancing at least three threads clear to ensure I don't catch Ralfy19. If you feel you have come in contact/close proximity of someone with Ralfy19, the world health organisation advises burning all copies of any scripts you may have in your possession to avoid extreme symptoms of confusion, repetition, and lack of reason. There's at least three threads on these forums are known Ralfy19 hotspots. Eye masks and earplugs should be worn at all times in these areas to avoid infection.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 09, 2023, 11:27:09 PM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 09, 2023, 11:27:09 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jul 09, 2023, 09:09:18 PMAt least it hasn't jumped species yet to Facebook or something lol not that those places aren't festering with their own communicable diseases lolQuote from: Engineer on Jul 09, 2023, 07:16:42 AMJfc what the hell is going on?? 😂 it's like a virus
Haven't you heard? It's the new pandemic - I'm hand washing twice as often and social distancing at least three threads clear to ensure I don't catch Ralfy19. If you feel you have come in contact/close proximity of someone with Ralfy19, the world health organisation advises burning all copies of any scripts you may have in your possession to avoid extreme symptoms of confusion, repetition, and lack of reason. There's at least three threads on these forums are known Ralfy19 hotspots. Eye masks and earplugs should be worn at all times in these areas to avoid infection.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jul 10, 2023, 07:42:01 AM
Post by: ralfy on Jul 10, 2023, 07:42:01 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 09, 2023, 04:14:44 AMBoth this thread and the other turned into grey sludge, impossible to engage meaningfully with?
Good.
In what way?
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 05:57:03 AMI'm sure ralfy will respect and contribute to the analytical level of this thread.
I've not done anything except that. The problem is that I'm trolled when I do so. Hence, "grey sludge" and all that.
In this case, I can't say much about how the egg(s) got on the Sulaco, except that the Queen alien probably dropped a few the moments before she attacked Bishop. Others point out that she would have needed other things to do so as one recalls the manner by which she was laying eggs in the next, but there's also a possibility that she might have recovered one or two that were not destroyed by the fire and grenades and brought them with her.
I think there were references to spores, etc., made earlier, but those from the prequels, which I barely saw, and I'd like to focus on explaining what happened by just looking at the first two movies. I think similar was made about something in her tail and attached to what remained of Bishop.
There's also the point about Bishop following orders from Burke. He points out in the movie that he's been programmed not to harm human beings, but it's also possible that like Ash he's also programmed to work for the company that made him and the military that he works for (which is claimed by one manual). In which case, part of his mission would be to recover alien organisms for the labs. The problem is that from the time he repaired the transmitter to bring down the second dropship and fly it towards Ripley there would have been no time for him to do so.
Given all that, I'd say that the egg(s) may have been recovered from undamaged ones in the next by the queen, attached to unseen parts of her body (probably the back), and then dropped in covered parts of the hanger after Ripley runs to get the powerloader.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 10, 2023, 08:36:40 AM
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 10, 2023, 08:36:40 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 10, 2023, 07:42:01 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 09, 2023, 04:14:44 AMBoth this thread and the other turned into grey sludge, impossible to engage meaningfully with?
Good.
In what way?Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 05:57:03 AMI'm sure ralfy will respect and contribute to the analytical level of this thread.
I've not done anything except that. The problem is that I'm trolled when I do so. Hence, "grey sludge" and all that.
In this case, I can't say much about how the egg(s) got on the Sulaco, except that the Queen alien probably dropped a few the moments before she attacked Bishop. Others point out that she would have needed other things to do so as one recalls the manner by which she was laying eggs in the next, but there's also a possibility that she might have recovered one or two that were not destroyed by the fire and grenades and brought them with her.
I think there were references to spores, etc., made earlier, but those from the prequels, which I barely saw, and I'd like to focus on explaining what happened by just looking at the first two movies. I think similar was made about something in her tail and attached to what remained of Bishop.
There's also the point about Bishop following orders from Burke. He points out in the movie that he's been programmed not to harm human beings, but it's also possible that like Ash he's also programmed to work for the company that made him and the military that he works for (which is claimed by one manual). In which case, part of his mission would be to recover alien organisms for the labs. The problem is that from the time he repaired the transmitter to bring down the second dropship and fly it towards Ripley there would have been no time for him to do so.
Given all that, I'd say that the egg(s) may have been recovered from undamaged ones in the next by the queen, attached to unseen parts of her body (probably the back), and then dropped in covered parts of the hanger after Ripley runs to get the powerloader.
Once again for the trillionth time, Bishop doesn't follow ANY orders from Burke.
As an android he is lower in the command chain in this instance, so when a human Weyland Yutani exec "suggests/asks" he prepare the specimens he logically sees no threat to human lives (remember when he mentions this to Ripley he's talking about the dead facehuggers NOT the live ones).
Burke is "asking" him to do this for his own agenda. To make him rich. There's no orders from top level WY, there's nobody else in on it. Simply Burke sieving an opportunity to get hold of some valuable alien specimens.
"How do I get these specimens off the planet? With all the chaos going on this is my perfect opportunity. Hicks will likely never go for it, Gorman is unconscious and probably wouldn't agree either. Ripley certainly won't. I know, I'll ask the android. If he calculates there is no threat to human life he will have no reason to refuse my suggestion."
That's all it is, a greedy person with little conscious seizing an opportunity amongst all the chaos.
Also an android can't carry behavioural inhibitors that make it impossible to harm a human or by action allow a human to be harmed and at the same time be a sinister WY mole following sinister WY orders that endanger every human life in the process! That's contradictory. There's zero indication in the movie that Bishop suddenly has his programming altered and the inhibitor removed. Zero. If it was supposed to have been a plot point they would have made it obvious. Either it would never have been mentioned he can't harm a human or there would have been an obvious scene in the movie showing the inhibitors have now been disabled.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 10, 2023, 04:04:24 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 10, 2023, 04:04:24 PM
Burke can't order Bishop around any more than he can overrule Hicks re:nuking the colony from orbit.
He can ask Bishop to do something for him. But he can't make him do anything. Bishop's military property and thus under military command, and the movie makes it abundantly clear Burke has no sway over the military.
He can ask Bishop to do something for him. But he can't make him do anything. Bishop's military property and thus under military command, and the movie makes it abundantly clear Burke has no sway over the military.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 10, 2023, 04:15:59 PM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 10, 2023, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 10, 2023, 04:04:24 PMBurke can't order Bishop around any more than he can overrule Hicks re:nuking the colony from orbit.Prepare your self for a lot of word vomit
He can ask Bishop to do something for him. But he can't make him do anything. Bishop's military property and thus under military command, and the movie makes it abundantly clear Burke has no sway over the military.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 10, 2023, 04:42:46 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 10, 2023, 04:42:46 PM
Pretty sure he's well aware.
This is still the Egg on Sulaco thread. People come here to die.
This is still the Egg on Sulaco thread. People come here to die.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 10, 2023, 04:49:48 PM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 10, 2023, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 10, 2023, 04:42:46 PMPretty sure he's well aware.But has he seen Ralfy yet?
This is still the Egg on Sulaco thread. People come here to die.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 10, 2023, 04:53:06 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Jul 10, 2023, 04:53:06 PM
Well ok, a legitimate question/objection ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jul 11, 2023, 01:51:40 AM
Post by: ralfy on Jul 11, 2023, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: Jonjamess on Jul 10, 2023, 08:36:40 AMQuote from: ralfy on Jul 10, 2023, 07:42:01 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 09, 2023, 04:14:44 AMBoth this thread and the other turned into grey sludge, impossible to engage meaningfully with?
Good.
In what way?Quote from: kwisatz on Jul 09, 2023, 05:57:03 AMI'm sure ralfy will respect and contribute to the analytical level of this thread.
I've not done anything except that. The problem is that I'm trolled when I do so. Hence, "grey sludge" and all that.
In this case, I can't say much about how the egg(s) got on the Sulaco, except that the Queen alien probably dropped a few the moments before she attacked Bishop. Others point out that she would have needed other things to do so as one recalls the manner by which she was laying eggs in the next, but there's also a possibility that she might have recovered one or two that were not destroyed by the fire and grenades and brought them with her.
I think there were references to spores, etc., made earlier, but those from the prequels, which I barely saw, and I'd like to focus on explaining what happened by just looking at the first two movies. I think similar was made about something in her tail and attached to what remained of Bishop.
There's also the point about Bishop following orders from Burke. He points out in the movie that he's been programmed not to harm human beings, but it's also possible that like Ash he's also programmed to work for the company that made him and the military that he works for (which is claimed by one manual). In which case, part of his mission would be to recover alien organisms for the labs. The problem is that from the time he repaired the transmitter to bring down the second dropship and fly it towards Ripley there would have been no time for him to do so.
Given all that, I'd say that the egg(s) may have been recovered from undamaged ones in the next by the queen, attached to unseen parts of her body (probably the back), and then dropped in covered parts of the hanger after Ripley runs to get the powerloader.
Once again for the trillionth time, Bishop doesn't follow ANY orders from Burke.
As an android he is lower in the command chain in this instance, so when a human Weyland Yutani exec "suggests/asks" he prepare the specimens he logically sees no threat to human lives (remember when he mentions this to Ripley he's talking about the dead facehuggers NOT the live ones).
Burke is "asking" him to do this for his own agenda. To make him rich. There's no orders from top level WY, there's nobody else in on it. Simply Burke sieving an opportunity to get hold of some valuable alien specimens.
"How do I get these specimens off the planet? With all the chaos going on this is my perfect opportunity. Hicks will likely never go for it, Gorman is unconscious and probably wouldn't agree either. Ripley certainly won't. I know, I'll ask the android. If he calculates there is no threat to human life he will have no reason to refuse my suggestion."
That's all it is, a greedy person with little conscious seizing an opportunity amongst all the chaos.
Also an android can't carry behavioural inhibitors that make it impossible to harm a human or by action allow a human to be harmed and at the same time be a sinister WY mole following sinister WY orders that endanger every human life in the process! That's contradictory. There's zero indication in the movie that Bishop suddenly has his programming altered and the inhibitor removed. Zero. If it was supposed to have been a plot point they would have made it obvious. Either it would never have been mentioned he can't harm a human or there would have been an obvious scene in the movie showing the inhibitors have now been disabled.
"Mr. Burke gave instructions that they were to be kept alive in stasis for return to the company labs. He was very specific."
Burke didn't ask and he didn't suggest. He ordered Bishop, and "was very specific" about those instructions.
Inhibitors stop snyths from harming human beings but they don't stop them from following orders. In this case, that would have meant securing the organisms properly so that they wouldn't escape and harm the humans.
That's also why I didn't argue that Bishop brought the eggs along. Besides, I don't think it would have been possible given their distance from the nest (i.e., assuming that the transmitter isn't near the reactor).
I won't address the rest of your points as they're off-topic and I've dealt with them readily in another thread.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 10, 2023, 04:04:24 PMBurke can't order Bishop around any more than he can overrule Hicks re:nuking the colony from orbit.
He can ask Bishop to do something for him. But he can't make him do anything. Bishop's military property and thus under military command, and the movie makes it abundantly clear Burke has no sway over the military.
In the movie, Bishop tells Ripley that he was ordered by Burke to prepare the facehuggers for transit to the company labs, and there was nothing vague about his instructions ("he was very specific"). Instead of answering back at Bishop, Ripley instead goes to Burke and argues with him about those instructions. That's when Burke tells her that they (not just Burke but even Ripley, because it was the Nostromo crew who discovered the alien ship) can earn a lot thanks to their shares and percentages.
The claim that Bishop works for the military is given in a manual. I can't remember it being said in the movie, but the camaraderie between Bishop and the Marines, as seen in the knife stunt, shows that they've known each other for a long time.
In which case, why is Bishop following orders from Burke?
Finally, I don't know if this is still worth pursuing because it appears that Bishop had nothing to do with the eggs on the Sulaco. Given that, I think what's more plausible is that the queen managed to save a few that were not destroyed by the fire and explosions before pursuing Ripley and Newt.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 11, 2023, 05:20:18 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 11, 2023, 05:20:18 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 11, 2023, 01:51:40 AMIn which case, why is Bishop following orders from Burke?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 11, 2023, 09:32:05 AMQuote from: ralfy on Jun 11, 2023, 06:09:57 AMTo find out who's involved, consider not Gorman but Bishop, who's supposed to work for the military but follows orders from Burke.
Dear ralfy,
It's clear you're passionate about the Alien series and have spent considerable time analyzing the dynamics between characters, particularly that between Burke and Bishop. However, it seems there might be a slight misunderstanding concerning the behavior and function of the artificial person, Bishop.
In "Aliens," Bishop is portrayed as an "artificial person," an advanced android designed by Weyland-Yutani but functioning under the jurisdiction of the Extrasolar Colonization Administration (ECA) during the mission. Bishop's primary directive, much like the Asimovian "laws of robotics," would be to assist and protect human life.
When Burke gives Bishop the instructions to preserve the facehugger specimens, Bishop complies not because Burke is a superior officer or because Bishop is loyal to Weyland-Yutani, but because the request doesn't contradict his programming or put any human lives in immediate danger.
Later, when Ripley instructs Bishop to destroy the specimens, he informs her of Burke's previous instructions. This shows Bishop's programming to be transparent about conflicts in orders, ensuring that humans in charge have all the information necessary to make informed decisions.
We should also keep in mind that while Bishop was designed by Weyland-Yutani, he's not inherently programmed to prioritize the corporation's interests. His primary allegiance is to the well-being and safety of the humans he serves, in this case, under the auspices of the ECA.
In conclusion, Bishop's actions and behavior are a result of his android programming, designed to follow instructions from humans that do not contravene his fundamental directives. It's less about the chain of command and more about the parameters set by his programming.
I hope this clarifies the relationship between Bishop and the characters around him in "Aliens."
Best,
ChatGPT
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 11, 2023, 05:22:24 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 11, 2023, 05:22:24 AM
Once again:
Complying with a request =/= following orders.
Complying with a request =/= following orders.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 11, 2023, 09:22:21 AM
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 11, 2023, 09:22:21 AM
Bishop doesn't say "Burke ORDERED me to prepare the specimens for return to company labs". He says he "instructed". Instructed and ordered aren't the same thing!!!
If I give you instructions on how to do something or I suggest how you should do something "instruct" that doesn't mean I'm ordering you to do it!
And all of that's irrelevant anyway. The point we've all made hundreds of times is the Marines (who were in charge of the operation, NOT WY) were preoccupied and did not give their input on the facehuggers being transported.
The point is Burke has gone around them, he hasn't asked Gorman or Hicks if he can transport the specimens, he's gone straight to Bishop because Bishop is programed to take instructions from humans. Burke has done this on purpose as he knows the chain of command within the Marines is fractured, he knows they ate stressed out and preoccupied with other matters. He does this AFTER half of the Marines are killed or incapacity in the nest, NOT before when everyone is calm and level headed. How are you not understanding that? Had Bishop been WY property and had Bishop been under Burkes command, Burke would have 'ordered' him to secure the specimens the moment they discovered them, not 4 hours later when they've lost half their Marines, the APC and their only way off the colony. Why wouldn't he have transported the specimens to the dropship immediately? Ferro and co weren't doing anything at the time they had been ordered to touch down and await instructions! They could have helped Bishop move the specimens on board!
Because Burke has NO authority that's why! And the movie makes that clear! The only time Burke realises he might get away with collecting the specimens is when all chaos has broken loose!
Now had Bishop prepared the specimens for transport before Ripley had got to him and told him to destroy them, there is absolutely no doubt any of the Marines would have allowed it. Hicks wouldn't have gone with it, Hudson certainly wouldn't have, Vasquez absolutely wouldn't have accepted it, Gorman regardless of his stance would have likely sided with Hicks due to not wanting to rock the boat anymore due to his previous errors of judgement. The specimens would never have got off planet while any of those Marines were aware of it and the point is Burke was trying to do it while they WERENT aware. How does that say Burke is in charge of Bishop, can order him around and has any authority. It says the exact opposite.
Let's also use this fool proof logic that WY is NOT after the Alien in Aliens and that they don't believe Ripley. Hence Burke can't possibly be working with any higher up WY officials while on LV-426.
This is because:
You think WY absolutely knows about the Alien and wants live specimens desperately during the events of Aliens? You're incorrect. If I want these specimens, I believe they exist and I'm desperate to get my hands on some' do I go to a colony of 156 people that's been infected and go have my pick of the organisms there? Yes of course I would that's absolutely my best chance of getting hold of some.
Or do I wait until most of said specimens have been destroyed by a nuclear blast and then go chasing after one single specimen on a prison planet? No that would be logically stupid!
Oh it's because I haven't believed Ripley and her story! I think she's nuts! I don't believe these aliens exist so let the Colonial Marines waste their time and resources going to investigate a 'downed transmitter'.
The only time I realise I've been mistaken is suddenly I've intercepted a transmission from the Sulaco saying an extra terrestrial organism has caused a cryo tube fire and has been ejected along with Ripley down to Fury 161. Ahhh Ripley was telling the truth, right let's immediately dispatch our OWN WY ship and go get it.
All proof that WY isn't being sinister during Aliens, they simply don't believe Ripley. Otherwise they would have immediately gone themselves to the Colony. So no Burke isn't taking sinister behind the scenes orders, no he's not in charge of Bishop, no WY isn't in on the events of the colony, no WY doesn't at that point believe Xenomorphs are real, no WY doesn't believe Ripley. They only suddenly do realise once the Sulaco has ejected its EEV and the ships sensor readings are broadcast back to them! Not before, not ONE minute before that!
So your theories are nonsense. Burke during the events of Aliens is just single handedly trying to seize an opportunity, for himself and only himself.
If I give you instructions on how to do something or I suggest how you should do something "instruct" that doesn't mean I'm ordering you to do it!
And all of that's irrelevant anyway. The point we've all made hundreds of times is the Marines (who were in charge of the operation, NOT WY) were preoccupied and did not give their input on the facehuggers being transported.
The point is Burke has gone around them, he hasn't asked Gorman or Hicks if he can transport the specimens, he's gone straight to Bishop because Bishop is programed to take instructions from humans. Burke has done this on purpose as he knows the chain of command within the Marines is fractured, he knows they ate stressed out and preoccupied with other matters. He does this AFTER half of the Marines are killed or incapacity in the nest, NOT before when everyone is calm and level headed. How are you not understanding that? Had Bishop been WY property and had Bishop been under Burkes command, Burke would have 'ordered' him to secure the specimens the moment they discovered them, not 4 hours later when they've lost half their Marines, the APC and their only way off the colony. Why wouldn't he have transported the specimens to the dropship immediately? Ferro and co weren't doing anything at the time they had been ordered to touch down and await instructions! They could have helped Bishop move the specimens on board!
Because Burke has NO authority that's why! And the movie makes that clear! The only time Burke realises he might get away with collecting the specimens is when all chaos has broken loose!
Now had Bishop prepared the specimens for transport before Ripley had got to him and told him to destroy them, there is absolutely no doubt any of the Marines would have allowed it. Hicks wouldn't have gone with it, Hudson certainly wouldn't have, Vasquez absolutely wouldn't have accepted it, Gorman regardless of his stance would have likely sided with Hicks due to not wanting to rock the boat anymore due to his previous errors of judgement. The specimens would never have got off planet while any of those Marines were aware of it and the point is Burke was trying to do it while they WERENT aware. How does that say Burke is in charge of Bishop, can order him around and has any authority. It says the exact opposite.
Let's also use this fool proof logic that WY is NOT after the Alien in Aliens and that they don't believe Ripley. Hence Burke can't possibly be working with any higher up WY officials while on LV-426.
This is because:
You think WY absolutely knows about the Alien and wants live specimens desperately during the events of Aliens? You're incorrect. If I want these specimens, I believe they exist and I'm desperate to get my hands on some' do I go to a colony of 156 people that's been infected and go have my pick of the organisms there? Yes of course I would that's absolutely my best chance of getting hold of some.
Or do I wait until most of said specimens have been destroyed by a nuclear blast and then go chasing after one single specimen on a prison planet? No that would be logically stupid!
Oh it's because I haven't believed Ripley and her story! I think she's nuts! I don't believe these aliens exist so let the Colonial Marines waste their time and resources going to investigate a 'downed transmitter'.
The only time I realise I've been mistaken is suddenly I've intercepted a transmission from the Sulaco saying an extra terrestrial organism has caused a cryo tube fire and has been ejected along with Ripley down to Fury 161. Ahhh Ripley was telling the truth, right let's immediately dispatch our OWN WY ship and go get it.
All proof that WY isn't being sinister during Aliens, they simply don't believe Ripley. Otherwise they would have immediately gone themselves to the Colony. So no Burke isn't taking sinister behind the scenes orders, no he's not in charge of Bishop, no WY isn't in on the events of the colony, no WY doesn't at that point believe Xenomorphs are real, no WY doesn't believe Ripley. They only suddenly do realise once the Sulaco has ejected its EEV and the ships sensor readings are broadcast back to them! Not before, not ONE minute before that!
So your theories are nonsense. Burke during the events of Aliens is just single handedly trying to seize an opportunity, for himself and only himself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2023, 02:44:36 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2023, 02:44:36 PM
Pretty much what Jonjamess said.
In Alien, at least one person at WY knows there's a potentially interesting organism on LV-426, because they stick Ash on board with orders to bring it back. But the company as a whole clearly doesn't know because otherwise they would've gone back between the first two movies (and, if you ask me, would've sent a properly equipped team in the first place, not a bunch of truckers). The total burying of the incident between movies only makes sense if it's just one or more individuals who subsequently go out of their way to cover their backs.
By Aliens, those responsible have either died or moved on, because Burke is the only person who seems even remotely interested in what Ripley has to say. And again, nothing he does in the movie suggests he has any official company backing - like the mystery perpetrator(s) in the first film he's winging it, operating alone to try and make a quick buck for himself. And he has no authority over the mission.
It's not until Alien 3 that the company as an entity (or at least a department of it) knows about the Alien and takes an active interest in getting hold of one.
In Alien, at least one person at WY knows there's a potentially interesting organism on LV-426, because they stick Ash on board with orders to bring it back. But the company as a whole clearly doesn't know because otherwise they would've gone back between the first two movies (and, if you ask me, would've sent a properly equipped team in the first place, not a bunch of truckers). The total burying of the incident between movies only makes sense if it's just one or more individuals who subsequently go out of their way to cover their backs.
By Aliens, those responsible have either died or moved on, because Burke is the only person who seems even remotely interested in what Ripley has to say. And again, nothing he does in the movie suggests he has any official company backing - like the mystery perpetrator(s) in the first film he's winging it, operating alone to try and make a quick buck for himself. And he has no authority over the mission.
It's not until Alien 3 that the company as an entity (or at least a department of it) knows about the Alien and takes an active interest in getting hold of one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 11, 2023, 03:44:39 PM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 11, 2023, 03:44:39 PM
This is already sounding more like the other thread lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 11, 2023, 07:00:20 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 11, 2023, 07:00:20 PM
@HuDaFuK Get your licks in while you can. You may be one of the last of us who ralfy hasn't put on ignore yet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 11, 2023, 10:47:13 PM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 11, 2023, 10:47:13 PM
Lmfao
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jul 12, 2023, 12:46:59 AM
Post by: ralfy on Jul 12, 2023, 12:46:59 AM
Quote from: Jonjamess on Jul 11, 2023, 09:22:21 AMBishop doesn't say "Burke ORDERED me to prepare the specimens for return to company labs". He says he "instructed". Instructed and ordered aren't the same thing!!!
If I give you instructions on how to do something or I suggest how you should do something "instruct" that doesn't mean I'm ordering you to do it!
And all of that's irrelevant anyway. The point we've all made hundreds of times is the Marines (who were in charge of the operation, NOT WY) were preoccupied and did not give their input on the facehuggers being transported.
The point is Burke has gone around them, he hasn't asked Gorman or Hicks if he can transport the specimens, he's gone straight to Bishop because Bishop is programed to take instructions from humans. Burke has done this on purpose as he knows the chain of command within the Marines is fractured, he knows they ate stressed out and preoccupied with other matters. He does this AFTER half of the Marines are killed or incapacity in the nest, NOT before when everyone is calm and level headed. How are you not understanding that? Had Bishop been WY property and had Bishop been under Burkes command, Burke would have 'ordered' him to secure the specimens the moment they discovered them, not 4 hours later when they've lost half their Marines, the APC and their only way off the colony. Why wouldn't he have transported the specimens to the dropship immediately? Ferro and co weren't doing anything at the time they had been ordered to touch down and await instructions! They could have helped Bishop move the specimens on board!
Because Burke has NO authority that's why! And the movie makes that clear! The only time Burke realises he might get away with collecting the specimens is when all chaos has broken loose!
Now had Bishop prepared the specimens for transport before Ripley had got to him and told him to destroy them, there is absolutely no doubt any of the Marines would have allowed it. Hicks wouldn't have gone with it, Hudson certainly wouldn't have, Vasquez absolutely wouldn't have accepted it, Gorman regardless of his stance would have likely sided with Hicks due to not wanting to rock the boat anymore due to his previous errors of judgement. The specimens would never have got off planet while any of those Marines were aware of it and the point is Burke was trying to do it while they WERENT aware. How does that say Burke is in charge of Bishop, can order him around and has any authority. It says the exact opposite.
Let's also use this fool proof logic that WY is NOT after the Alien in Aliens and that they don't believe Ripley. Hence Burke can't possibly be working with any higher up WY officials while on LV-426.
This is because:
You think WY absolutely knows about the Alien and wants live specimens desperately during the events of Aliens? You're incorrect. If I want these specimens, I believe they exist and I'm desperate to get my hands on some' do I go to a colony of 156 people that's been infected and go have my pick of the organisms there? Yes of course I would that's absolutely my best chance of getting hold of some.
Or do I wait until most of said specimens have been destroyed by a nuclear blast and then go chasing after one single specimen on a prison planet? No that would be logically stupid!
Oh it's because I haven't believed Ripley and her story! I think she's nuts! I don't believe these aliens exist so let the Colonial Marines waste their time and resources going to investigate a 'downed transmitter'.
The only time I realise I've been mistaken is suddenly I've intercepted a transmission from the Sulaco saying an extra terrestrial organism has caused a cryo tube fire and has been ejected along with Ripley down to Fury 161. Ahhh Ripley was telling the truth, right let's immediately dispatch our OWN WY ship and go get it.
All proof that WY isn't being sinister during Aliens, they simply don't believe Ripley. Otherwise they would have immediately gone themselves to the Colony. So no Burke isn't taking sinister behind the scenes orders, no he's not in charge of Bishop, no WY isn't in on the events of the colony, no WY doesn't at that point believe Xenomorphs are real, no WY doesn't believe Ripley. They only suddenly do realise once the Sulaco has ejected its EEV and the ships sensor readings are broadcast back to them! Not before, not ONE minute before that!
So your theories are nonsense. Burke during the events of Aliens is just single handedly trying to seize an opportunity, for himself and only himself.
LOL, they're the same thing, which is why Bishop refused to follow Ripley's orders:
Ripley: "I want those specimens destroyed as soon as you're done with them. You understand?"
I've addressed the rest of your points in the other thread, but feel free to point them out again there and not here.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2023, 02:44:36 PMPretty much what Jonjamess said.
In Alien, at least one person at WY knows there's a potentially interesting organism on LV-426, because they stick Ash on board with orders to bring it back. But the company as a whole clearly doesn't know because otherwise they would've gone back between the first two movies (and, if you ask me, would've sent a properly equipped team in the first place, not a bunch of truckers). The total burying of the incident between movies only makes sense if it's just one or more individuals who subsequently go out of their way to cover their backs.
By Aliens, those responsible have either died or moved on, because Burke is the only person who seems even remotely interested in what Ripley has to say. And again, nothing he does in the movie suggests he has any official company backing - like the mystery perpetrator(s) in the first film he's winging it, operating alone to try and make a quick buck for himself. And he has no authority over the mission.
It's not until Alien 3 that the company as an entity (or at least a department of it) knows about the Alien and takes an active interest in getting hold of one.
Several of those those points aren't true, and I'll re-counter them in the other thread. For this one, it's best to remain on-topic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 12, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jul 12, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
Just when you thought this thread couldn't get worse :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 12, 2023, 08:53:18 PM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 12, 2023, 08:53:18 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 12, 2023, 08:18:11 PMJust when you thought this thread couldn't get worse :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yup lol
Now, I know what you might be thinking... "let's get some popcorn! This will be entertaining!"
I thought the same thing, but I warn you! This is a legitimate safety hazard because you are bound to laugh and may choke on a popcorn kernel as a result. Stay safe out there!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jul 13, 2023, 12:14:16 AM
Post by: ralfy on Jul 13, 2023, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 12, 2023, 08:18:11 PMJust when you thought this thread couldn't get worse :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
It only gets worse when people talk about the thread and not the thread topic.
;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 21, 2023, 11:57:38 AM
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 21, 2023, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Jul 12, 2023, 12:46:59 AMQuote from: Jonjamess on Jul 11, 2023, 09:22:21 AMBishop doesn't say "Burke ORDERED me to prepare the specimens for return to company labs". He says he "instructed". Instructed and ordered aren't the same thing!!!
If I give you instructions on how to do something or I suggest how you should do something "instruct" that doesn't mean I'm ordering you to do it!
And all of that's irrelevant anyway. The point we've all made hundreds of times is the Marines (who were in charge of the operation, NOT WY) were preoccupied and did not give their input on the facehuggers being transported.
The point is Burke has gone around them, he hasn't asked Gorman or Hicks if he can transport the specimens, he's gone straight to Bishop because Bishop is programed to take instructions from humans. Burke has done this on purpose as he knows the chain of command within the Marines is fractured, he knows they ate stressed out and preoccupied with other matters. He does this AFTER half of the Marines are killed or incapacity in the nest, NOT before when everyone is calm and level headed. How are you not understanding that? Had Bishop been WY property and had Bishop been under Burkes command, Burke would have 'ordered' him to secure the specimens the moment they discovered them, not 4 hours later when they've lost half their Marines, the APC and their only way off the colony. Why wouldn't he have transported the specimens to the dropship immediately? Ferro and co weren't doing anything at the time they had been ordered to touch down and await instructions! They could have helped Bishop move the specimens on board!
Because Burke has NO authority that's why! And the movie makes that clear! The only time Burke realises he might get away with collecting the specimens is when all chaos has broken loose!
Now had Bishop prepared the specimens for transport before Ripley had got to him and told him to destroy them, there is absolutely no doubt any of the Marines would have allowed it. Hicks wouldn't have gone with it, Hudson certainly wouldn't have, Vasquez absolutely wouldn't have accepted it, Gorman regardless of his stance would have likely sided with Hicks due to not wanting to rock the boat anymore due to his previous errors of judgement. The specimens would never have got off planet while any of those Marines were aware of it and the point is Burke was trying to do it while they WERENT aware. How does that say Burke is in charge of Bishop, can order him around and has any authority. It says the exact opposite.
Let's also use this fool proof logic that WY is NOT after the Alien in Aliens and that they don't believe Ripley. Hence Burke can't possibly be working with any higher up WY officials while on LV-426.
This is because:
You think WY absolutely knows about the Alien and wants live specimens desperately during the events of Aliens? You're incorrect. If I want these specimens, I believe they exist and I'm desperate to get my hands on some' do I go to a colony of 156 people that's been infected and go have my pick of the organisms there? Yes of course I would that's absolutely my best chance of getting hold of some.
Or do I wait until most of said specimens have been destroyed by a nuclear blast and then go chasing after one single specimen on a prison planet? No that would be logically stupid!
Oh it's because I haven't believed Ripley and her story! I think she's nuts! I don't believe these aliens exist so let the Colonial Marines waste their time and resources going to investigate a 'downed transmitter'.
The only time I realise I've been mistaken is suddenly I've intercepted a transmission from the Sulaco saying an extra terrestrial organism has caused a cryo tube fire and has been ejected along with Ripley down to Fury 161. Ahhh Ripley was telling the truth, right let's immediately dispatch our OWN WY ship and go get it.
All proof that WY isn't being sinister during Aliens, they simply don't believe Ripley. Otherwise they would have immediately gone themselves to the Colony. So no Burke isn't taking sinister behind the scenes orders, no he's not in charge of Bishop, no WY isn't in on the events of the colony, no WY doesn't at that point believe Xenomorphs are real, no WY doesn't believe Ripley. They only suddenly do realise once the Sulaco has ejected its EEV and the ships sensor readings are broadcast back to them! Not before, not ONE minute before that!
So your theories are nonsense. Burke during the events of Aliens is just single handedly trying to seize an opportunity, for himself and only himself.
LOL, they're the same thing, which is why Bishop refused to follow Ripley's orders:
Ripley: "I want those specimens destroyed as soon as you're done with them. You understand?"
I've addressed the rest of your points in the other thread, but feel free to point them out again there and not here.Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 11, 2023, 02:44:36 PMPretty much what Jonjamess said.
In Alien, at least one person at WY knows there's a potentially interesting organism on LV-426, because they stick Ash on board with orders to bring it back. But the company as a whole clearly doesn't know because otherwise they would've gone back between the first two movies (and, if you ask me, would've sent a properly equipped team in the first place, not a bunch of truckers). The total burying of the incident between movies only makes sense if it's just one or more individuals who subsequently go out of their way to cover their backs.
By Aliens, those responsible have either died or moved on, because Burke is the only person who seems even remotely interested in what Ripley has to say. And again, nothing he does in the movie suggests he has any official company backing - like the mystery perpetrator(s) in the first film he's winging it, operating alone to try and make a quick buck for himself. And he has no authority over the mission.
It's not until Alien 3 that the company as an entity (or at least a department of it) knows about the Alien and takes an active interest in getting hold of one.
Several of those those points aren't true, and I'll re-counter them in the other thread. For this one, it's best to remain on-topic.
No. ALL of the points HuDaFuk makes are actually 100% true. Nothing he says is incorrect.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 21, 2023, 12:11:23 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 21, 2023, 12:11:23 PM
We never see Bishop refuse to follow Ripley's order. Bishop is reassigned before he's finished with them. The fact nobody else - even Ripley - destroys them in the meantime shows nobody else thought they were a priority once they realised the place was going to explode.
Except Burke.
Except Burke.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 21, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
Post by: Jonjamess on Jul 21, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2023, 12:11:23 PMWe never see Bishop refuse to follow Ripley's order. Bishop is reassigned before he's finished with them. The fact nobody else - even Ripley - destroys them in the meantime shows nobody else thought they were a priority once they realised the place was going to explode.He's just making non filmed scenes up in his head.
Except Burke.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jul 21, 2023, 11:46:42 PM
Post by: ralfy on Jul 21, 2023, 11:46:42 PM
Quote from: Jonjamess on Jul 21, 2023, 01:03:43 PMQuote from: SiL on Jul 21, 2023, 12:11:23 PMWe never see Bishop refuse to follow Ripley's order. Bishop is reassigned before he's finished with them. The fact nobody else - even Ripley - destroys them in the meantime shows nobody else thought they were a priority once they realised the place was going to explode.He's just making non filmed scenes up in his head.
Except Burke.
The non-filmed scenes involve Bishop not refusing to follow Ripley's order and Bishop reassigned. LOL.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 22, 2023, 02:21:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 22, 2023, 02:21:04 AM
Ralfy's not just making up unfilmed scenes; he's ignoring scenes in the movie as well.
Between the two, we'll never know what the version of Aliens he thinks exists looks like. But it's very different to the real one.
Between the two, we'll never know what the version of Aliens he thinks exists looks like. But it's very different to the real one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 22, 2023, 09:31:50 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 22, 2023, 09:31:50 PM
Join us next time for "Gorman was only pretending to be incompetent" and "Jonesy is a WY agent and came very close to securing a specimen".
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jul 22, 2023, 11:04:33 PM
Post by: Eal on Jul 22, 2023, 11:04:33 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 22, 2023, 09:31:50 PMJoin us next time for "Gorman was only pretending to be incompetent" and "Jonesy is a WY agent and came very close to securing a specimen".
Tee-hee.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jul 23, 2023, 02:47:02 AM
Post by: ralfy on Jul 23, 2023, 02:47:02 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 22, 2023, 09:31:50 PMJoin us next time for "Gorman was only pretending to be incompetent" and "Jonesy is a WY agent and came very close to securing a specimen".
Only if one hasn't seen this movie. LOL.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2023, 04:55:15 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2023, 04:55:15 AM
I'm still not sure what movie you've seen bud.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 23, 2023, 05:18:18 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 23, 2023, 05:18:18 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2023, 04:55:15 AMI'm still not sure what movie you've seen bud.
Maybe he watched this one?? 😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_2:_On_Earth#:~:text=Alien%202%3A%20On%20Earth%2C%20also,little%20connection%20to%20the%20film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jul 24, 2023, 12:38:58 AM
Post by: ralfy on Jul 24, 2023, 12:38:58 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2023, 04:55:15 AMI'm still not sure what movie you've seen bud.
The points I gave come from Aliens. Good grief.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jul 24, 2023, 03:30:53 AM
Post by: Eal on Jul 24, 2023, 03:30:53 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 23, 2023, 05:18:18 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2023, 04:55:15 AMI'm still not sure what movie you've seen bud.
Maybe he watched this one?? 😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_2:_On_Earth#:~:text=Alien%202%3A%20On%20Earth%2C%20also,little%20connection%20to%20the%20film.
Haven't seen this one yet. Is it one of the more enjoyable crappy B-movies?
Galaxy of Terror felt like enjoyable trash to me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 04:01:55 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 04:01:55 AM
No, Alien 2 is just boring unfortunately.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2023, 04:13:58 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2023, 04:13:58 AM
Quote from: caffeine4671 on Jul 24, 2023, 03:30:53 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 23, 2023, 05:18:18 AMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 23, 2023, 04:55:15 AMI'm still not sure what movie you've seen bud.
Maybe he watched this one?? 😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_2:_On_Earth#:~:text=Alien%202%3A%20On%20Earth%2C%20also,little%20connection%20to%20the%20film.
Haven't seen this one yet. Is it one of the more enjoyable crappy B-movies?
Galaxy of Terror felt like enjoyable trash to me.
It was the unofficial sequel from 1980 before fox had a trademark on "alien"
Totally a b-movie banking on the success of the first film, and fox even sued them for it but the lawsuit was tossed. I've never seen it either tbh lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:14:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:14:31 AM
It's not even really a sequel, they just threw the name on it in the hopes it would trick people into watching it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2023, 05:25:33 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2023, 05:25:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:14:31 AMIt's not even really a sequel, they just threw the name on it in the hopes it would trick people into watching it.Yea, hence the "unofficial" and "banking on the success of the first film" parts of that description lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:01 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:01 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:14:31 AMIt's not even really a sequel, they just threw the name on it in the hopes it would trick people into watching it.
How many times did you watch it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:50 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:50 AM
Ever see transmorphers? Or snakes on a train? Lmao me neither, but same idea 😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:33:19 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:33:19 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:01 AMHow many times did you watch it?Once was too many.
Terminator 2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocking_Dark) was much better.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 06:52:37 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 06:52:37 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:33:19 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:01 AMHow many times did you watch it?Once was too many.
Terminator 2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocking_Dark) was much better.
Did you see all the sequels to Species?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jul 24, 2023, 01:24:31 PM
Post by: Stitch on Jul 24, 2023, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 06:52:37 AMI actually have the Blu-ray box set. The last one is surprisingly not as bad as expected.Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:33:19 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:01 AMHow many times did you watch it?Once was too many.
Terminator 2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocking_Dark) was much better.
Did you see all the sequels to Species?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jul 24, 2023, 11:01:48 PM
Post by: Eal on Jul 24, 2023, 11:01:48 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 05:33:19 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:01 AMHow many times did you watch it?Once was too many.
Terminator 2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocking_Dark) was much better.
I remember this movie! An Aliens ripoff with a terminator on the cover. It even had a Newt and Ripley stand-in.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 11:29:02 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 11:29:02 PM
Yes! And then turned into Terminator for the last 10 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jul 25, 2023, 12:49:23 AM
Post by: Eal on Jul 25, 2023, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 24, 2023, 11:29:02 PMYes! And then turned into Terminator for the last 10 minutes or so.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI_hkwuYm5w
Honestly?
More entertaining than Terminator: Genesis. ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 27, 2023, 09:35:46 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 27, 2023, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 24, 2023, 05:26:50 AMEver see (...) snakes on a train?
Yes, actually.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 27, 2023, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 27, 2023, 09:37:00 PM
It was so bad.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 27, 2023, 09:51:03 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 27, 2023, 09:51:03 PM
I ended up enjoying it, but only because someone earnestly claimed it to be both good and an official sequel to Snakes on a Plane, then spending the entire movie in hysterics and giving them shit for falling for it. Props to the train conductor smoking heaps of meth out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 28, 2023, 12:59:40 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 28, 2023, 12:59:40 AM
Lmfao wtf 😂
My first job out of HS was in a video rental store. I remember seeing snakes on a train on our shelves when it came out but I never even looked at the back of the box 😂 same thing with transmorphers and a dozen other ripoffs. "Alien vs hunter" made me laugh so hard! The funniest one though was "Pirates." It was just called "pirates" and it was clearly made to look like a "pirates of the Caribbean" movie, and it came out on DVD when the second or third film was just hitting theaters. Totally meant to capitalize off of the large franchise film! But the funny part was when this woman came in and rented the movie, then returned a few hours later and furious because she rented it for her kids not realizing it was a soft-core porno lmao
My first job out of HS was in a video rental store. I remember seeing snakes on a train on our shelves when it came out but I never even looked at the back of the box 😂 same thing with transmorphers and a dozen other ripoffs. "Alien vs hunter" made me laugh so hard! The funniest one though was "Pirates." It was just called "pirates" and it was clearly made to look like a "pirates of the Caribbean" movie, and it came out on DVD when the second or third film was just hitting theaters. Totally meant to capitalize off of the large franchise film! But the funny part was when this woman came in and rented the movie, then returned a few hours later and furious because she rented it for her kids not realizing it was a soft-core porno lmao
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2023, 07:53:01 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2023, 07:53:01 AM
I f**king loathe those zero-budget talentless mockbusters.
"So bad it's good" movies only work when they don't realise they're bad.
"So bad it's good" movies only work when they don't realise they're bad.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jul 28, 2023, 01:00:47 PM
Post by: Eal on Jul 28, 2023, 01:00:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2023, 07:53:01 AMI f**king loathe those zero-budget talentless mockbusters.
"So bad it's good" movies only work when they don't realise they're bad.
That's why all of Tommy Wisseau's work post-Room is terrible-bad and not funny-bad.
Can't enjoy a movie truly unless there's some amount of artistic sincerity behind it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 28, 2023, 01:14:09 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 28, 2023, 01:14:09 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2023, 01:17:33 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2023, 01:17:33 PM
Exactly.
By far the greatest bad movie I've ever seen is Miami Connection - not because it's one of the most laughably inept films I've ever sat through, but because you can tell that absolutely everyone involved was convinced it was gonna be huge. It's the earnestness that makes it.
I mean, it's about an 80s taekwondo glam rock band fighting cocaine-dealing motorcycle ninjas, and that's not even played as a joke.
By far the greatest bad movie I've ever seen is Miami Connection - not because it's one of the most laughably inept films I've ever sat through, but because you can tell that absolutely everyone involved was convinced it was gonna be huge. It's the earnestness that makes it.
I mean, it's about an 80s taekwondo glam rock band fighting cocaine-dealing motorcycle ninjas, and that's not even played as a joke.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 28, 2023, 08:21:28 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 28, 2023, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 28, 2023, 12:59:40 AMLmfao wtf 😂
My first job out of HS was in a video rental store. I remember seeing snakes on a train on our shelves when it came out but I never even looked at the back of the box 😂 same thing with transmorphers and a dozen other ripoffs. "Alien vs hunter" made me laugh so hard! The funniest one though was "Pirates." It was just called "pirates" and it was clearly made to look like a "pirates of the Caribbean" movie, and it came out on DVD when the second or third film was just hitting theaters. Totally meant to capitalize off of the large franchise film! But the funny part was when this woman came in and rented the movie, then returned a few hours later and furious because she rented it for her kids not realizing it was a soft-core porno lmao
It wasn't soft-core lmao.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 12:39:57 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 12:39:57 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 28, 2023, 08:21:28 PMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 28, 2023, 12:59:40 AMLmfao wtf 😂
My first job out of HS was in a video rental store. I remember seeing snakes on a train on our shelves when it came out but I never even looked at the back of the box 😂 same thing with transmorphers and a dozen other ripoffs. "Alien vs hunter" made me laugh so hard! The funniest one though was "Pirates." It was just called "pirates" and it was clearly made to look like a "pirates of the Caribbean" movie, and it came out on DVD when the second or third film was just hitting theaters. Totally meant to capitalize off of the large franchise film! But the funny part was when this woman came in and rented the movie, then returned a few hours later and furious because she rented it for her kids not realizing it was a soft-core porno lmao
It wasn't soft-core lmao.
She said it was 🤷 lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 01:10:24 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 01:10:24 AM
Private the kind of person to think any nudity constitutes soft core.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 01:19:48 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 01:19:48 AM
This is the one. It is listed as "adult" and "NC-17" lol
https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/13860-pirates
https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/13860-pirates
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 02:23:13 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 02:23:13 AM
Oh I thought it was hardcore.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 02:28:47 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 02:28:47 AM
Oh Jesus I was expecting an Asylum film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 03:15:39 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 03:15:39 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 02:23:13 AMOh I thought it was hardcore.Maybe it is lmao
I never saw it, I'm just basing this off what she said...
She was so pissed off about it 😂
But, like, how were we supposed to know she was renting for her kids? It's not like we ask "you know you're renting an adult film right?"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 04:20:34 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 04:20:34 AM
I don't know your ratings. Can NC17 apply to something with unsimulated sex scenes?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:08:08 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:08:08 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 02:23:13 AMOh I thought it was hardcore.
It is. I just did some, ahem, research.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:19:13 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:19:13 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 04:20:34 AMI don't know your ratings. Can NC17 apply to something with unsimulated sex scenes?
NC-17 means no children under 17. The MPAA replaced X-ratings with NC-17 in the 90s because x-ratings were largely associated with pornography, even though it wasn't just for pornography. So changing it to NC-17 got the rating away from that specific negative association. In reality, though, x and nc-17 were the next step up from R ratings, and that was with respect to more than just sexual content. If a film had an x or nc-17 rating, no one under 17 is allowed in even if they have parent permission (but that's only enforceable at theaters, etc.).
Scarface originally had an x-rating (which would have been nc-17 post-90s). The x-rating was based on extreme violence and drug use. The director made several re-edits to try to get it down to an R rating, but the MPAA kept giving it an X rating. Eventually, the director and the studio refused to keep re-editing and appealed the x-rating and won. Scarface got its R rating. But this is where it gets interesting... the director felt that his edits were so minor, no one would notice so he felt his original cut should also get an R rating. The MPAA disagreed, but the director sent his original cut anyway... he was right, nobody noticed the difference, and to this day his original x-rated cut still retains the R rating anyway... here's an article about it (not my favorite source but they cover it well enough):
https://www.cbr.com/movie-legends-revealed-the-strange-tale-of-how-scarface-beat-the-x-rating/
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:08:08 AMLmaoQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 02:23:13 AMOh I thought it was hardcore.
It is. I just did some, ahem, research.
Hands on? With palm-mela Hand-erson?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 05:21:34 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 05:21:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:08:08 AMI knew it. I saw a few minutes of it at a house party around the time it came out and I was sure I recalled graphic fornication.Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 02:23:13 AMOh I thought it was hardcore.
It is. I just did some, ahem, research.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:24:16 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:24:16 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:19:13 AMHands on? With palm-mela Hand-erson?
I'm keeping my powder dry for nun porn later after I take myself to dinner and a movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:25:42 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:25:42 AM
The South Park movie also had an interesting battle over the nc-17 vs. R rating from the MPAA. You should read up on that one too. It's a story equally as funny as the film itself lol
😂
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:24:16 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:19:13 AMHands on? With palm-mela Hand-erson?
I'm keeping my powder dry for nun porn later after I take myself to dinner and a movie.
😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 05:27:42 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 05:27:42 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:24:16 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:19:13 AMHands on? With palm-mela Hand-erson?
I'm keeping my powder dry for nun porn later after I take myself to dinner and a movie.
Only the most degenerate european filth and/or loving and passionate amateur couples will do tbh
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 29, 2023, 06:25:04 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 29, 2023, 06:25:04 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:24:16 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:19:13 AMHands on? With palm-mela Hand-erson?
I'm keeping my powder dry for nun porn later after I take myself to dinner and a movie.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Jul 29, 2023, 06:50:46 AM
Post by: oduodu on Jul 29, 2023, 06:50:46 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 05:24:16 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 05:19:13 AMHands on? With palm-mela Hand-erson?
I'm keeping my powder dry for nun porn later after I take myself to dinner and a movie.
lmao
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:00:02 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:00:02 AM
Well, to move this subject at least partially back on track lol alien3 should have had an NC-17 rating if they had applied the same standards as they did for Scarface... Alien3 was pretty freakin violent! Lol
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 07:13:09 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 29, 2023, 07:13:09 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:00:02 AMWell, to move this subject at least partially back on track lol alien3 should have had an NC-17 rating if they had applied the same standards as they did for Scarface... Alien3 was pretty freakin violent! Lol
I imagine the uncut autopsy may have done that. @Corporal Hicks loved that scene.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 29, 2023, 07:21:13 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 29, 2023, 07:21:13 AM
Quote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:00:02 AMWell, to move this subject at least partially back on track lol alien3 should have had an NC-17 rating if they had applied the same standards as they did for Scarface... Alien3 was pretty freakin violent! LolStandards change. Lots of films in the UK have been granted lower ratings than they were when originally released and/or have been released uncut when they were originally censored.
For instance, the original Terminator used to be rated 18 but it's now down to a 15.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:31:39 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:31:39 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 29, 2023, 07:21:13 AMAgreed.Quote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:00:02 AMWell, to move this subject at least partially back on track lol alien3 should have had an NC-17 rating if they had applied the same standards as they did for Scarface... Alien3 was pretty freakin violent! LolStandards change. Lots of films in the UK have been granted lower ratings than they were when originally released and/or have been released uncut when they were originally censored.
For instance, the original Terminator used to be rated 18 but it's now down to a 15.
The standards have changed a lot, but tbf they also weren't applied with much uniformity to begin with.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 29, 2023, 07:56:38 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 29, 2023, 07:56:38 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 29, 2023, 07:21:13 AMQuote from: Engineer on Jul 29, 2023, 07:00:02 AMWell, to move this subject at least partially back on track lol alien3 should have had an NC-17 rating if they had applied the same standards as they did for Scarface... Alien3 was pretty freakin violent! LolStandards change. Lots of films in the UK have been granted lower ratings than they were when originally released and/or have been released uncut when they were originally censored.
For instance, the original Terminator used to be rated 18 but it's now down to a 15.
When Alien was re-released for the DC, it was also down from an 18 to a 15.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 09:44:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 09:44:16 AM
Scarface also has rampant drug use, and the violence is imitable. The MPAA set a precedent for themselves when they let Jaws get a PG because all of the violence was done by a shark, so kids couldn't copy it.
Fun fact, AvP, Predator, Alien and Aliens all have the same rating in Australia M15+, basically PG 13 but for 15 year olds.
Alien 3 was only upgraded after the SE was released.
All of the other films are MA15+ (restricted 15 and over), except Predator 2 which somehow went from R18+ (highest commercial rating) down to M15+, before finally settling on MA.
Fun fact, AvP, Predator, Alien and Aliens all have the same rating in Australia M15+, basically PG 13 but for 15 year olds.
Alien 3 was only upgraded after the SE was released.
All of the other films are MA15+ (restricted 15 and over), except Predator 2 which somehow went from R18+ (highest commercial rating) down to M15+, before finally settling on MA.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jul 29, 2023, 03:55:31 PM
Post by: Eal on Jul 29, 2023, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 28, 2023, 01:17:33 PMExactly.
By far the greatest bad movie I've ever seen is Miami Connection - not because it's one of the most laughably inept films I've ever sat through, but because you can tell that absolutely everyone involved was convinced it was gonna be huge. It's the earnestness that makes it.
I mean, it's about an 80s taekwondo glam rock band fighting cocaine-dealing motorcycle ninjas, and that's not even played as a joke.
I just realized this philosophy applies to all types of movies, good and bad. Have you ever seen a big-budget blockbuster that was technically competent but seemed to have no sincerity or conviction behind anything in it?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 08:16:40 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 29, 2023, 08:16:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 09:44:16 AMexcept Predator 2 which somehow went from R18+ (highest commercial rating) down to M15+, before finally settling on MA.
Probably because in addition to the violence and drugs, you see bush for 0.5 seconds.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 09:55:53 PM
Post by: SiL on Jul 29, 2023, 09:55:53 PM
The R18+ and the MA15 make sense - I have no idea how it dropped to M.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2023, 06:54:52 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2023, 06:54:52 AM
But what about this?! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 30, 2023, 01:33:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jul 30, 2023, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2023, 06:54:52 AMBut what about this?! >:(
https://i.imgur.com/Agl7DLy.jpg
Rated R, for Retarded.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Jul 30, 2023, 04:34:47 PM
Post by: Eal on Jul 30, 2023, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 30, 2023, 06:54:52 AMBut what about this?! >:(
https://i.imgur.com/Agl7DLy.jpg
"We've decoded the intel from an AVP spy and it confirms the worst. Somehow, the egg returned"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 30, 2023, 09:55:53 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 30, 2023, 09:55:53 PM
Does the second pillar also spell "Sulaco"? Never noticed that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 31, 2023, 03:24:36 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jul 31, 2023, 03:24:36 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Jul 30, 2023, 09:55:53 PMDoes the second pillar also spell "Sulaco"? Never noticed that.
It'll show up even better in 4k.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Engineer on Jul 31, 2023, 04:51:59 AM
Post by: Engineer on Jul 31, 2023, 04:51:59 AM
If we ever get it in 4K :-/
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 31, 2023, 12:35:54 PM
Post by: Wweyland on Jul 31, 2023, 12:35:54 PM
Behind the scenes photos of these pillars would be quite revealing
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Aug 05, 2023, 02:37:28 PM
Post by: Eal on Aug 05, 2023, 02:37:28 PM
Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen the 'Sulaco' set that they created for Alien 3, though I'd love to.
All I know is that the design philosophy went something to the effect of Fincher liking the look of Alien over Aliens and didn't care about continuity too much.
All I know is that the design philosophy went something to the effect of Fincher liking the look of Alien over Aliens and didn't care about continuity too much.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2023, 07:36:44 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2023, 07:36:44 AM
For God's sake, can we please get some consensus here?! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 02, 2023, 07:52:44 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 02, 2023, 07:52:44 PM
'no'
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 03, 2023, 11:56:51 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 03, 2023, 11:56:51 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2023, 07:36:44 AMFor God's sake, can we please get some consensus here?! >:(
The eggs(plural) grew from secreted resin under the loading bay floor. It's the one and only logical choice based on the available evidence. 😋 I'll die on this hill.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 04, 2023, 01:34:54 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 04, 2023, 01:34:54 AM
R.I.P...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Sep 04, 2023, 02:06:32 PM
Post by: Eal on Sep 04, 2023, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 03, 2023, 11:56:51 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 02, 2023, 07:36:44 AMFor God's sake, can we please get some consensus here?! >:(
The eggs(plural) grew from secreted resin under the loading bay floor. It's the one and only logical choice based on the available evidence. 😋 I'll die on this hill.
I like the idea that Palpatine cloned a backup egg and put it aboard the Sulaco better though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 04, 2023, 07:30:08 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Sep 04, 2023, 07:30:08 PM
Oldmate ralfy is team Bishop right? I haven't actually read any of his diatribe in months.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 04, 2023, 11:31:33 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 04, 2023, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 04, 2023, 07:30:08 PMOldmate ralfy is team Bishop right? I haven't actually read any of his diatribe in months.
I've never understood the team Bishop argument; beyond the typical "the android did it" it's quite literally impossible based on what we saw in the movie. 😂 I sometimes try to get into their mindset;
Hicks: "Don't be gone long Ellen"
*Ripley disappears in the elevator*
Cue Mission Impossible music as Bishop quickly flies dropship to ground level, slides down the service ladder, sprints into the hive, picks up an egg and stuffs it up his shirt whilst the queen and warriors look on confused like "wtf?", sprints back through the hive to the ladders just as Ripley arrives in the elevator, climbs the entirety of the sub levels, tiptoes past sleeping Hicks and hides the egg in the dropship (the egg is all chill and can't be bothered to jump Hicks) takes off and flies back to the platform as Ripley and Newt are facing off against the queen, picks them up... the egg is all "nah bro, three hosts can wait, it's too early" dropship lands on the Sulaco... Bishop is like "is that a mosquito!?" pointing at the ceiling as Ripley and Newt look up all "wha?" Whilst he grabs the egg and jumps off the dropship, lifts a floor panel and put it down... looks at it stroking his chin, shakes his head, picks it up again, spits on the underside of the flooring and mounts it on the wall, giving himself a triumphant nod, then sprints back to the dropship just as Ripley and Newt look back*
Bishop: "we need a stretcher, to carry him out to medical"
*Mission Impossible theme concludes* 😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2023, 11:45:07 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 04, 2023, 11:45:07 PM
As far back as 1992, Team Bishop people would get angry at me and call me close-minded for mocking that kind of scenario.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Sep 05, 2023, 07:23:13 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Sep 05, 2023, 07:23:13 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 04, 2023, 11:31:33 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 04, 2023, 07:30:08 PMOldmate ralfy is team Bishop right? I haven't actually read any of his diatribe in months.
I've never understood the team Bishop argument; beyond the typical "the android did it" it's quite literally impossible based on what we saw in the movie. 😂 I sometimes try to get into their mindset;
Hicks: "Don't be gone long Ellen"
*Ripley disappears in the elevator*
Cue Mission Impossible music as Bishop quickly flies dropship to ground level, slides down the service ladder, sprints into the hive, picks up an egg and stuffs it up his shirt whilst the queen and warriors look on confused like "wtf?", sprints back through the hive to the ladders just as Ripley arrives in the elevator, climbs the entirety of the sub levels, tiptoes past sleeping Hicks and hides the egg in the dropship (the egg is all chill and can't be bothered to jump Hicks) takes off and flies back to the platform as Ripley and Newt are facing off against the queen, picks them up... the egg is all "nah bro, three hosts can wait, it's too early" dropship lands on the Sulaco... Bishop is like "is that a mosquito!?" pointing at the ceiling as Ripley and Newt look up all "wha?" Whilst he grabs the egg and jumps off the dropship, lifts a floor panel and put it down... looks at it stroking his chin, shakes his head, picks it up again, spits on the underside of the flooring and mounts it on the wall, giving himself a triumphant nod, then sprints back to the dropship just as Ripley and Newt look back*
Bishop: "we need a stretcher, to carry him out to medical"
*Mission Impossible theme concludes* 😂
It's not far off from the Burke shenanigans with the 2 facehuggers that occurred offscreen.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Sep 05, 2023, 08:17:03 AM
Post by: SiL on Sep 05, 2023, 08:17:03 AM
Burke walked into a room where two people were sleeping, took the gun, then just rolled the huggers in and knocked them over while locking the door.
Nobody was paying attention because of the Aliens. Not really the same level.
Nobody was paying attention because of the Aliens. Not really the same level.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2023, 08:36:53 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 05, 2023, 08:36:53 AM
^ What he said.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Murphy's Boot on Sep 11, 2023, 02:43:49 AM
Post by: Murphy's Boot on Sep 11, 2023, 02:43:49 AM
Personally, I think this guy was responsible....
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Sep 11, 2023, 03:47:23 AM
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Sep 11, 2023, 03:47:23 AM
Quote from: Murphy's Boot on Sep 11, 2023, 02:43:49 AMPersonally, I think this guy was responsible....Makes sense
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/402/192/398.jpg
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 21, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 21, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
It was an Alien, who then disappeared without a trace.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:35:12 AM
Post by: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:35:12 AM
Team Bishop. LOL.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/aliens-1985-09-23.pdf
"Mr. Burke gave instructions that they were to be kept alive in stasis for return to the company labs. He was very specific."
Source: James Cameron
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Carter_Burke
Source: James Cameron (writer and director). Aliens (1986), 20th Century Fox [DVD].
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/aliens-1985-09-23.pdf
"Mr. Burke gave instructions that they were to be kept alive in stasis for return to the company labs. He was very specific."
Source: James Cameron
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Carter_Burke
QuoteCarter J. Burke was a junior executive for the Weyland-Yutani Corporation, serving as Special Projects Director for Weyland-Yutani (Space) Corp's Special Services Division.[3]
Source: James Cameron (writer and director). Aliens (1986), 20th Century Fox [DVD].
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2023, 02:06:25 AM
Post by: SM on Nov 22, 2023, 02:06:25 AM
I think most of us are familiar with the film you are quoting for reasons best known to yourself.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2023, 02:25:39 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2023, 02:25:39 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 22, 2023, 02:06:25 AMI think most of us are familiar with the film you are quoting for reasons best known to yourself.
He thinks it's clear evidence proving his bizarre takes on Burke correct.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2023, 07:02:43 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Nov 22, 2023, 07:02:43 PM
Just imagine what would happen if ralfy had the stones to un-ignore SM and expose himself to the truth.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 26, 2023, 12:08:33 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 26, 2023, 12:08:33 AM
The man loves conspiracies. :)
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Nov 26, 2023, 10:49:53 AM
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 26, 2023, 12:13:46 PM
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Nov 28, 2023, 10:16:43 PM
Post by: Stitch on Nov 28, 2023, 10:16:43 PM
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 23, 2023, 07:43:09 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 23, 2023, 07:43:09 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2023, 04:25:21 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2023, 04:25:21 PM
Quote from: ralfy on Nov 22, 2023, 12:35:12 AMTeam Bishop. LOL.Okay hold up, I genuinely cannot tell based on this post, but does ralfy *also* think Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/scripts/aliens-1985-09-23.pdf
"Mr. Burke gave instructions that they were to be kept alive in stasis for return to the company labs. He was very specific."
Source: James Cameron
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Carter_BurkeQuoteCarter J. Burke was a junior executive for the Weyland-Yutani Corporation, serving as Special Projects Director for Weyland-Yutani (Space) Corp's Special Services Division.[3]
Source: James Cameron (writer and director). Aliens (1986), 20th Century Fox [DVD].
Because if so.... LMAO holy shit. It's like playing blackout on a "shitty Aliens opinions" bingo card.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2023, 04:31:34 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 26, 2023, 04:31:34 PM
Burke uploaded his corporative consciousness into Bishop in order to put the egg on the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2023, 04:33:55 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2023, 04:33:55 PM
I was hoping someone would follow up with ralfy on that.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2023, 04:50:02 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2023, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2023, 04:33:55 PMI was hoping someone would follow up with ralfy on that.I'm sure as shit not going to debate him on it if he thinks Bishop put the eggs on the Sulaco, but just confirmation that he believes it would be extremely on-brand (and extremely f**king funny).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2023, 04:55:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2023, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 26, 2023, 04:50:02 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Dec 26, 2023, 04:33:55 PMI was hoping someone would follow up with ralfy on that.I'm sure as shit not going to debate him on it if he thinks Bishop put the eggs on the Sulaco, but just confirmation that he believes it would be extremely on-brand (and extremely f**king funny).
Kinda hard to debate someone who immediately ignores you just for disagreeing with him. He should lose the ability to do that. Somebody wake up Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Dec 28, 2023, 10:08:59 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Dec 28, 2023, 10:08:59 AM
Was the "Burke Working Alone" thread shut down? Seems there's no more option to reply.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 28, 2023, 01:10:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 28, 2023, 01:10:18 PM
The answer is pretty definitively "yes", so...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Dec 28, 2023, 01:46:35 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Dec 28, 2023, 01:46:35 PM
Probably for the best. I checked out that user's earlier posts, same kind of stuff posted so it seems to be a habit of his.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 28, 2023, 03:52:03 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 28, 2023, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 28, 2023, 10:08:59 AMWas the "Burke Working Alone" thread shut down? Seems there's no more option to reply.And nothing of value was lost.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2023, 04:03:37 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 28, 2023, 04:03:37 PM
>:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Dec 29, 2023, 12:46:06 AM
Post by: ralfy on Dec 29, 2023, 12:46:06 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 28, 2023, 10:08:59 AMWas the "Burke Working Alone" thread shut down? Seems there's no more option to reply.
Several participants couldn't handle logic, so they ended up resorting to posting memes and personal insults. In any event, I think I pretty much answered the question effectively. I can't say the same about this one thread, though, except that I think that the queen grabbed a few eggs from the fire, attached them on her back, and then dropped them in the hangar off-camera when Ripley was momentarily gone.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 29, 2023, 12:52:46 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 29, 2023, 12:52:46 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 29, 2023, 01:34:39 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 29, 2023, 01:34:39 AM
Quote from: ralfy on Dec 29, 2023, 12:46:06 AMLmao "couldn't handle logic", "answered effectively". So effectively that not a single person agreed with him.Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 28, 2023, 10:08:59 AMWas the "Burke Working Alone" thread shut down? Seems there's no more option to reply.
Several participants couldn't handle logic, so they ended up resorting to posting memes and personal insults. In any event, I think I pretty much answered the question effectively. I can't say the same about this one thread, though, except that I think that the queen grabbed a few eggs from the fire, attached them on her back, and then dropped them in the hangar off-camera when Ripley was momentarily gone.
More like one participant couldn't handle criticism or rebuttals and pretended everyone else didn't exist so he could be "right".
Edit— in ralfy's "defense" (and I cannot believe I just typed those words on purpose), it looks like he doesn't think Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco. So that's something I guess.
What his other post actually *meant* is anybody's guess.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 29, 2023, 01:53:10 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 29, 2023, 01:53:10 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 29, 2023, 01:34:39 AMQuote from: ralfy on Dec 29, 2023, 12:46:06 AMLmao "couldn't handle logic", "answered effectively". So effectively that not a single person agreed with him.Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 28, 2023, 10:08:59 AMWas the "Burke Working Alone" thread shut down? Seems there's no more option to reply.
Several participants couldn't handle logic, so they ended up resorting to posting memes and personal insults. In any event, I think I pretty much answered the question effectively. I can't say the same about this one thread, though, except that I think that the queen grabbed a few eggs from the fire, attached them on her back, and then dropped them in the hangar off-camera when Ripley was momentarily gone.
More like one participant couldn't handle criticism or rebuttals and pretended everyone else didn't exist so he could be "right".
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; having watched several threads (is it 4 threads now?) go to hell with Ralfy's exact same paragraphs repeated over and over, the best remedy is to play him at his own game and simply put him on ignore. There's nothing to be gained from interacting or feeding it anymore. If everyone clicked the iggy button (and certain individuals didn't intentionally quote him to get around that and stir the pot.. or you know, create threads with the sole purpose of setting it going again - no names mentioned *cough* LC *cough* 😂) then Ralfy can simply head-canon himself into oblivion. If nobody responds, it ends. If we just don't feed the trolls, and we can get back to the serious questions... like page 900000000 how the egg got on the sulaco.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 29, 2023, 02:00:59 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Dec 29, 2023, 02:00:59 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Dec 29, 2023, 01:53:10 AMNah he likes the sound of his own voice so much that he'd happily keep posting at nobody over and over again and keep things going. Much better to shut down his avenues of verbal diarrhea and then get the mods on his case if he can't be a constructive forum member. If he just wants to ramble to himself, he can start a blog. If he's derailed 4 threads then the problem is him, not us.Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 29, 2023, 01:34:39 AMQuote from: ralfy on Dec 29, 2023, 12:46:06 AMLmao "couldn't handle logic", "answered effectively". So effectively that not a single person agreed with him.Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 28, 2023, 10:08:59 AMWas the "Burke Working Alone" thread shut down? Seems there's no more option to reply.
Several participants couldn't handle logic, so they ended up resorting to posting memes and personal insults. In any event, I think I pretty much answered the question effectively. I can't say the same about this one thread, though, except that I think that the queen grabbed a few eggs from the fire, attached them on her back, and then dropped them in the hangar off-camera when Ripley was momentarily gone.
More like one participant couldn't handle criticism or rebuttals and pretended everyone else didn't exist so he could be "right".
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; having watched several threads (is it 4 threads now?) go to hell with Ralfy's exact same paragraphs repeated over and over, the best remedy is to play him at his own game and simply put him on ignore. There's nothing to be gained from interacting or feeding it anymore. If everyone clicked the iggy button (and certain individuals didn't intentionally quote him to get around that and stir the pot.. or you know, create threads with the sole purpose of setting it going again - no names mentioned *cough* LC *cough* 😂) then Ralfy can simply head-canon himself into oblivion. If nobody responds, it ends. If we just don't feed the trolls, and we can get back to the serious questions... like page 900000000 how the egg got on the sulaco.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 29, 2023, 02:12:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Dec 29, 2023, 02:12:26 AM
He fascinates me.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 29, 2023, 01:13:18 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 29, 2023, 01:13:18 PM
This thread is like the Illuminati enclave 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 29, 2023, 09:43:31 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Dec 29, 2023, 09:43:31 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Wweyland on Dec 30, 2023, 09:56:56 AM
Post by: Wweyland on Dec 30, 2023, 09:56:56 AM
I wonder if Titan/Marvel is keeping an eye on these threads for potential "What if" scenarios.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 05:18:13 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 05:18:13 AM
Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 30, 2023, 09:56:56 AMI wonder if Titan/Marvel is keeping an eye on these threads for potential "What if" scenarios.
I think Bob Iger himself keeps an eye on this thread. It's that important.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Jan 03, 2024, 11:43:55 AM
Post by: Stitch on Jan 03, 2024, 11:43:55 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 03, 2024, 05:18:13 AMIt is that important. Once we reach consensus, we'll know everything, and the future of the alien franchise will be ours.Quote from: Wweyland on Dec 30, 2023, 09:56:56 AMI wonder if Titan/Marvel is keeping an eye on these threads for potential "What if" scenarios.
I think Bob Iger himself keeps an eye on this thread. It's that important.
... Until Disney takes it away and makes something else, causing consensus to be lost once again to the fires of time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2024, 07:06:50 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2024, 07:06:50 PM
Quote from: Stitch on Jan 03, 2024, 11:43:55 AMOnce we reach consensus, we'll know everything, and the future of the alien franchise will be ours."Where we're going, you won't need eyes to see..."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 03, 2024, 07:15:35 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 03, 2024, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2024, 07:06:50 PMQuote from: Stitch on Jan 03, 2024, 11:43:55 AMOnce we reach consensus, we'll know everything, and the future of the alien franchise will be ours."Where we're going, you won't need eyes to see..."
Is that an Event Horizon reference? :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2024, 07:28:14 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 03, 2024, 07:28:14 PM
Yes :)
"Libera te tutemet ex inferis" would be pretty apt for this thread, too.
"Libera te tutemet ex inferis" would be pretty apt for this thread, too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 03, 2024, 09:19:58 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 03, 2024, 09:19:58 PM
ha ha so true :laugh:🙏🥳👍
Edit ~ You can't go wrong with Even Horizon references! :o👉👈
Edit ~ You can't go wrong with Even Horizon references! :o👉👈
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: ralfy on Jan 04, 2024, 02:05:44 AM
Post by: ralfy on Jan 04, 2024, 02:05:44 AM
Or maybe something like, "Legiones redde!"
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jan 04, 2024, 02:32:07 PM
Post by: razeak on Jan 04, 2024, 02:32:07 PM
Hicks put the egg on Sulaco. Bishop was busy with....spaceship stuff.....and Hicks jogged down, clamped the egg shut with his hands and brought it to the ship. Then he got sedated by ol Bishop. He woke back up while Ripley was in the shower and stuffed it wherever. He was in on it the whole time. It's why he was so eager to grease Burke. Heck, Burke was telling the truth. Hicks dumped the facehuggers out, but had to help kill them once the attack was revealed to keep cover. lol.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 04, 2024, 08:16:27 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 04, 2024, 08:16:27 PM
Extremely unpopular one (probably) but maybe David did it! :laugh: David vomited up some eggs and planted them to the ceiling where they grew like fungus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 04, 2024, 09:01:13 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 04, 2024, 09:01:13 PM
Nice one :o and maybe Burke didn't work alone, but for David
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Jan 18, 2024, 06:27:47 PM
Post by: razeak on Jan 18, 2024, 06:27:47 PM
I got it. There was another Bishop already on the colony. He hid in the shadows, watching, waiting. He was able to move freely in the hive. When Ripley finished freaking out and ran, he followed her and the queen with an egg. He hid in the landing gear. Him and the queen high-fived as they colony exploded behind them, and he got her pumped up to kick Ripley's ass. He hid away until it was all over and sabotaged everything. He's still on the Sulaco....waiting.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2024, 08:59:58 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 18, 2024, 08:59:58 PM
And his name was BISHOP II
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 16, 2024, 09:00:38 PM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 16, 2024, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jan 18, 2024, 06:27:47 PMI got it. There was another Bishop already on the colony. He hid in the shadows, watching, waiting. He was able to move freely in the hive. When Ripley finished freaking out and ran, he followed her and the queen with an egg. He hid in the landing gear. Him and the queen high-fived as they colony exploded behind them, and he got her pumped up to kick Ripley's ass. He hid away until it was all over and sabotaged everything. He's still on the Sulaco....waiting.
Then why did Queen tore his exact replica in half if they were such buddies ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Stitch on Mar 16, 2024, 09:55:29 PM
Post by: Stitch on Mar 16, 2024, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 16, 2024, 09:00:38 PMBecause in the end, there can be only oneQuote from: razeak on Jan 18, 2024, 06:27:47 PMI got it. There was another Bishop already on the colony. He hid in the shadows, watching, waiting. He was able to move freely in the hive. When Ripley finished freaking out and ran, he followed her and the queen with an egg. He hid in the landing gear. Him and the queen high-fived as they colony exploded behind them, and he got her pumped up to kick Ripley's ass. He hid away until it was all over and sabotaged everything. He's still on the Sulaco....waiting.
Then why did Queen tore his exact replica in half if they were such buddies ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 02:18:06 AM
Post by: razeak on Mar 17, 2024, 02:18:06 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 16, 2024, 09:00:38 PMAlien universe = hidden agendaQuote from: razeak on Jan 18, 2024, 06:27:47 PMI got it. There was another Bishop already on the colony. He hid in the shadows, watching, waiting. He was able to move freely in the hive. When Ripley finished freaking out and ran, he followed her and the queen with an egg. He hid in the landing gear. Him and the queen high-fived as they colony exploded behind them, and he got her pumped up to kick Ripley's ass. He hid away until it was all over and sabotaged everything. He's still on the Sulaco....waiting.
Then why did Queen tore his exact replica in half if they were such buddies ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:04:36 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:04:36 AM
LMAO how is this thread not dead yet? This been going on since I joined this site way back when AVPR was released!! We were 2 months in without any replies and then Kradan decided, "Hey, you know which topic we REALLY need to talk about again... that Egg on the Sulaco."
Can we all agree that the Queen Alien was a smart ass bitch who brought the extra egg onboard the ship just for safety precaution?
Can we agree on anything at this point?!
Can we all agree that the Queen Alien was a smart ass bitch who brought the extra egg onboard the ship just for safety precaution?
Can we agree on anything at this point?!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AM
Eggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 08:36:29 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 08:36:29 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:04:36 AMWe were 2 months in without any replies and then Kradan decided, "Hey, you know which topic we REALLY need to talk about again... that Egg on the Sulaco."
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 08:55:37 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
wish someone would open a thread to show how many times this has happened in movie history. isn t alien 3 a perfect example of when people(at least fincher) do not say "to hell with it" and keeps reshooting it? has this happened in alien (tc or dc) ? is alien an example of "to hell with it" moments and yet it became a masterpiece? if not alien what other movies has become masterpieces despite "to hell with it" moments? and movies where people have gone overboard in doing everything perfect like fincher and yet it flopped? is it the story that matters more ? is it the directing? what is the heart of this phenomena? f**king interesting.
this is what i don t get about Prey: how does one director and one script writer do something that no one since predator (and P2 perhaps) has done. make a really success of s movie that OK s a sequel.
shouldn t what trachtenberg and co have done be a case study?
i d have dan and scriptwriter on an alien movie asap. no disrespect to fede and hawley.
again this is so fascinating.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 09:09:06 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 09:09:06 AM
I think Prey is full of a few "to hell with it" moments in the writing that leave me wanting him nowhere near Alien.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 09:16:51 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 09:16:51 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 09:09:06 AMI think Prey is full of a few "to hell with it" moments in the writing that leave me wanting him nowhere near Alien.
"in the writing"
that s always the thing : the writing.
as for egg on the sulaco:
if it is so that on the narcasis big chap was slowly beginning to turn back into an egg (as was speculated: do i remember correctly?) is there not a case for a xeno making it into the eev and morphing into an egg?
tags:
speculation
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Okay, hear me out. What if, this is a BIG IF mind you, the dropship has the Sulaco name branded onto it? ;)
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 08:36:29 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:04:36 AMWe were 2 months in without any replies and then Kradan decided, "Hey, you know which topic we REALLY need to talk about again... that Egg on the Sulaco."
https://i.gifer.com/2qoT.gif
The pinnacle of evil, everyone! RIGHT HERE!! More evil than the Alien itself that David created!
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 09:16:51 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 09:09:06 AM
as for egg on the sulaco:
if it is so that on the narcasis big chap was slowly beginning to turn back into an egg (as was speculated: do i remember correctly?) is there not a case for a xeno making it into the eev and morphing into an egg?
tags:
speculation
Good theory. However, if I were an alien, why would I morph into an egg when my victims are right there sleeping in the tube? I would have just sneak up to them, hang them on the wall, morph myself into a Queen, then breed more babies so that they can facehug Ripley and the rest of her Alien killing family? ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 10:05:55 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 10:05:55 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 09:16:51 AMas for egg on the sulaco:
if it is so that on the narcasis big chap was slowly beginning to turn back into an egg (as was speculated: do i remember correctly?) is there not a case for a xeno making it into the eev and morphing into an egg?
That's an interesting take, actually
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:46 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:46 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Okay, hear me out. What if, this is a BIG IF mind you, the dropship has the Sulaco name branded onto it? ;)Quote from: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 08:36:29 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:04:36 AMWe were 2 months in without any replies and then Kradan decided, "Hey, you know which topic we REALLY need to talk about again... that Egg on the Sulaco."
https://i.gifer.com/2qoT.gif
The pinnacle of evil, everyone! RIGHT HERE!! More evil than the Alien itself that David created!Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 09:16:51 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 09:09:06 AM
as for egg on the sulaco:
if it is so that on the narcasis big chap was slowly beginning to turn back into an egg (as was speculated: do i remember correctly?) is there not a case for a xeno making it into the eev and morphing into an egg?
tags:
speculation
Good theory. However, if I were an alien, why would I morph into an egg when my victims are right there sleeping in the tube? I would have just sneak up to them, hang them on the wall, morph myself into a Queen, then breed more babies so that they can facehug Ripley and the rest of her Alien killing family? ;D
fair point. but big chap could have the same with ripley. why didn t he ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:56 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AMIt's clearly not a landing gear on the drop ship though. It's a corridor.Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Okay, hear me out. What if, this is a BIG IF mind you, the dropship has the Sulaco name branded onto it? ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 10:13:25 AM
Post by: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 10:13:25 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:46 AMfair point. but big chap could have the same with ripley. why didn t he ?
Not enough space. Can you imagine fitting a whole Queen with her eggsack in there ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:16:19 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:46 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Okay, hear me out. What if, this is a BIG IF mind you, the dropship has the Sulaco name branded onto it? ;)Quote from: Kradan on Mar 17, 2024, 08:36:29 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:04:36 AMWe were 2 months in without any replies and then Kradan decided, "Hey, you know which topic we REALLY need to talk about again... that Egg on the Sulaco."
https://i.gifer.com/2qoT.gif
The pinnacle of evil, everyone! RIGHT HERE!! More evil than the Alien itself that David created!Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 09:16:51 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 09:09:06 AM
as for egg on the sulaco:
if it is so that on the narcasis big chap was slowly beginning to turn back into an egg (as was speculated: do i remember correctly?) is there not a case for a xeno making it into the eev and morphing into an egg?
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Good theory. However, if I were an alien, why would I morph into an egg when my victims are right there sleeping in the tube? I would have just sneak up to them, hang them on the wall, morph myself into a Queen, then breed more babies so that they can facehug Ripley and the rest of her Alien killing family? ;D
fair point. but big chap could have the same with ripley. why didn t he ?
Because he was tired. Sleepy. Taking on Lambert and Parker was no easy task, mind you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 10:19:15 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 10:19:15 AM
a lot of people argued that due to morphing back into an egg big chap was unable to attack(or eggmorph or cocoon etc etc) ripley or at least mentally not in a state to do so. i am arguing that the same COULD have happened on the eev.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:24:54 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:56 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AMIt's clearly not a landing gear on the drop ship though. It's a corridor.Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Okay, hear me out. What if, this is a BIG IF mind you, the dropship has the Sulaco name branded onto it? ;)
How do you know it's a corridor to the Sulaco rather than the landing gear when we are only seeing the ceiling from that panning shot?? Plus, the shot can be aligned from the outside to the inside of the landing gear which makes it "look" like a corridor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:43:33 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:24:54 AMBecause the landing gear is a dark, unlit, cramped space.Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:56 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AMIt's clearly not a landing gear on the drop ship though. It's a corridor.Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Okay, hear me out. What if, this is a BIG IF mind you, the dropship has the Sulaco name branded onto it? ;)
How do you know it's a corridor to the Sulaco rather than the landing gear when we are only seeing the ceiling from that panning shot?? Plus, the shot can be aligned from the outside to the inside of the landing gear which makes it "look" like a corridor.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 10:47:50 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 10:47:50 AM
No way in hell the Queen fit her big ass in there. I love Alien 3 with all my heart, but that's still a huge problem.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:58:53 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:58:53 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:43:33 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:24:54 AMBecause the landing gear is a dark, unlit, cramped space.Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 10:09:56 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 09:48:50 AMIt's clearly not a landing gear on the drop ship though. It's a corridor.Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 07:45:17 AMEggs on the ship isn't weird.
Eggs on a random part of the ship is weird.
If they'd just made it look like the Sulaco landing leg there'd be 0 issue, but it was a hastily done reshoot so they slapped some bullshit together and said to hell with it.
Okay, hear me out. What if, this is a BIG IF mind you, the dropship has the Sulaco name branded onto it? ;)
How do you know it's a corridor to the Sulaco rather than the landing gear when we are only seeing the ceiling from that panning shot?? Plus, the shot can be aligned from the outside to the inside of the landing gear which makes it "look" like a corridor.
Fair on the dark and unlit part, but it's definitely not cramped since our beloved Queen was able to fit inside of it.
On that note, how come Bishop didn't felt the ship heavier when they were flying off into the sky? All I'm trying to argue is that we need to end this thread because it's killing our poor Alien fan community.
IT NEEDS TO STOP!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:12:42 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:12:42 AM
"how come Bishop didn't felt the ship heavier when they were flying off into the sky?"
not going there again.
not going there again.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 11:16:47 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:12:42 AM"how come Bishop didn't felt the ship heavier when they were flying off into the sky?"
not going there again.
Lol this also applies to the egg on the sulaco. We don't need to go there again XD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:20:05 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:20:05 AM
yes but this thread is about the egg on the sulaco!!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 11:23:18 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 11:23:18 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:20:05 AMyes but this thread is about the egg on the sulaco!!
OH MY..!!! Let's not think about it too hard then! Like Bishop not thinking about how heavy the dropship has gotten!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:32:04 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:32:04 AM
"Let's not think about it too hard then!"
??
just start a thread specifically dedicated to "bishop not detecting the heavier ship".
and i will fully support you.
??
just start a thread specifically dedicated to "bishop not detecting the heavier ship".
and i will fully support you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 11:38:08 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 11:38:08 AM
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:32:04 AM"Let's not think about it too hard then!"
??
just start a thread specifically dedicated to "bishop not detecting the heavier ship".
and i will fully support you.
Nope. That thread will last just as long as this one. Don't want to be sole responsible of that XD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:43:02 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 17, 2024, 11:43:02 AM
:)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 17, 2024, 12:04:04 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 17, 2024, 12:04:04 PM
The truth is out there...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 17, 2024, 12:05:58 PM
Post by: kwisatz on Mar 17, 2024, 12:05:58 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 17, 2024, 12:04:04 PMThe truth is out there...
The EGGS Files
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 12:19:52 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 17, 2024, 12:19:52 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 12:31:45 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:58:53 AMOn that note, how come Bishop didn't felt the ship heavier when they were flying off into the sky?Because he scrapes up debris when the landing leg closes, so he expects the weight to be off.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:27:46 PM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 12:31:45 PMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 10:58:53 AMOn that note, how come Bishop didn't felt the ship heavier when they were flying off into the sky?Because he scrapes up debris when the landing leg closes, so he expects the weight to be off.
Debris that weight as much as the Queen? Our Queen already weigh close to a ton, maybe even more (someone here can verify that). For that case, the debris would have add more to her weight, so that logic unfortunately doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 08:32:49 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 17, 2024, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 17, 2024, 07:27:46 PMDebris that weight as much as the Queen? Our Queen already weigh close to a ton, maybe even more (someone here can verify that). For that case, the debris would have add more to her weight, so that logic unfortunately doesn't make any sense.We, the audience, knows that Bishop only picks up some scrap metal. Bishop doesn't. How much it would add to her weight doesn't factor into it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2024, 10:37:20 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 17, 2024, 10:37:20 PM
The dropship should be popping a wheelie all the way back or it's just not realistic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2024, 11:38:40 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2024, 11:38:40 PM
The film goes out of it's way showing the landing gear hit and then get obstructed by the debris in a bit of forshadowing. But Daria be like "Nah" :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 17, 2024, 11:38:40 PMThe film goes out of it's way showing the landing gear hit and then get obstructed by the debris in a bit of forshadowing. But Daria be like "Nah" :laugh:
I didn't say the foreshadowing wasn't intentional. I always knew that's how our beloved Queen will get onboard that way. I knew the landing gear was obstructed by the debris that's why it didn't close all the way through. I never said "nah" to that.
I'm saying the extra weight that's put onto the dropship that's causing me to question things. I'm sure we all know weight factors a lot when it comes to flying. If it was just the debris, then sure. Bishop wouldn't question it because they didn't look or feel that heavy. But if you factor in the Queen who weighs one third or half the weight of an APC, then I'll begin questioning myself on why my ship feels so much heavier than before, especially on the left size of it. Bishop saw the Queen. Why didn't he factor the possibility of the Queen being onboard, especially when the dropship sway its way towards her after a nearby explosion?
To counter SiL's argument, yes, Bishop should have known or at least have some hints of it because he would have gotten an alarm saying that both landing gears (obviously left one) didnt close properly due to some "malfunction". Like any other aircraft. The malfunction can be caused by anything from debris, damage from the explosion, or... you guessed it, the Queen keeping it open from being close.
All am I saying is let's not overthink things. I love Aliens. I'll always give it a 5/5 stars. The filmmakers don't give a shit, James Cameron doesn't give a shit, so why should we? This applies to the egg on the sulaco. Everyone I talk to says it was the Queen who placed it. They don't question it because they don't want to kill themselves overthinking it. So let's just love the movies for what they are, faults and all. :)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:28:43 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:28:43 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AMBut if you factor in the Queen who weighs one third or half the weight of an APC
Where did you come up with that? The APC weighs ~15 tons (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier). You think the queen weighs as much as an elephant?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:34:21 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:34:21 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:28:43 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AMBut if you factor in the Queen who weighs one third or half the weight of an APC
Where did you come up with that? The APC weighs ~15 tons (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier). You think the queen weighs as much as an elephant?
Nah, I'm just speculating, of course. Some people say 10 tons. Others say 5 tons. But I know for a fact the queen weighs more than a ton. It doesn't matter anyway. A ton is definitely noticeable, especially when the dropship came in barebones.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:36:13 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:36:13 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:34:21 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:28:43 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AMBut if you factor in the Queen who weighs one third or half the weight of an APC
Where did you come up with that? The APC weighs ~15 tons (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier). You think the queen weighs as much as an elephant?
Nah, I'm just speculating, of course. Some people say 10 tons. Others say 5 tons. But I know for a fact the queen weighs more than a ton. It doesn't matter anyway. A ton is definitely noticeable.
The first dropship was carrying an APC, a full crew and a full load of missiles. The second dropship had none of that. The added weight of the queen would have been well below its capacity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:54:01 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:54:01 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:36:13 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:34:21 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:28:43 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AMBut if you factor in the Queen who weighs one third or half the weight of an APC
Where did you come up with that? The APC weighs ~15 tons (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier). You think the queen weighs as much as an elephant?
Nah, I'm just speculating, of course. Some people say 10 tons. Others say 5 tons. But I know for a fact the queen weighs more than a ton. It doesn't matter anyway. A ton is definitely noticeable.
The first dropship was carrying an APC, a full crew and a full load of missiles. The second dropship had none of that. The added weight of the queen would have been well below its capacity.
Fair and true argument. I will concede then, Mr. Han Solo. 8)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 01:57:49 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 01:57:49 AM
Do we know "for a fact" the Queen weighs more than a ton?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:04:12 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:04:12 AM
That all depends on the average of weight of a regular Xenomorph. Do we know how much they weigh? We can use it as a basis to multiply it by how many times the Queen size is.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:07:39 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:07:39 AM
Aliens always felt like they weight way less than they look.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:07:56 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:07:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 01:57:49 AMDo we know "for a fact" the Queen weighs more than a ton?
We will if you decree it as such.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:12:21 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:12:21 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:07:39 AMAliens always felt like they weight way less than they look.
You think so? I think they weigh twice or even three times the size of an average man, since they can effortlessly drag people around.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:14:50 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:14:50 AM
She had to be heavy enough to stomp around on the hangar bay floor grates looking for Newt the way she did.
But would she have to weigh more than a ton to do that?
But would she have to weigh more than a ton to do that?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:16:51 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:16:51 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:12:21 AMQuote from: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:07:39 AMAliens always felt like they weight way less than they look.
You think so? I think they weigh twice or even three times the size of an average man, since they can effortlessly drag people around.
Like how ants carry up 10–50 times their weight. Due to the whole insect thing.
How they gain a lot of size despite not eating enough calories for it, I suppose the rules of thermodynamics dont really apply to them.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:24:16 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:24:16 AM
Take this man's word for it. He knows a lot about gains.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:34:06 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:34:06 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:24:16 AMTake this man's word for it. He knows a lot about gains.
As someone that has been bulking for the past months yes, it is me in the profile picture after all, without the sufficient amount of calories you are not making increasing body mass thus no gains, unless you are in the begginer phase where you can still gain muscle mass and lose fat at the same time, or by using gear.
Its f**king stupid the amount of food you have to eat to get to a certain weight, which suprises how people say they do it by accident. You actually need to put an amount of time and effort to put all the food inside and get heavy over an extended consistent period of time.
The Alien in the first movie increased his weight in 10 times over the course of a day ? You would need to consume a lot of calories for that to happen, you can say the alien can just eat inorganic matter and somehow his alien organs can make it work somehow, but still he need to eat a shitload of metal for that, Nostromo was a big ship so maybe that he was eating nonstop for hours during that time. Still its not realistic, so their weight shouldn't be as well. If they dont weight much it actually makes it more believable how fast they can grow. Its fiction so whatever.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:39:27 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:16:51 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:12:21 AMQuote from: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:07:39 AMAliens always felt like they weight way less than they look.
You think so? I think they weigh twice or even three times the size of an average man, since they can effortlessly drag people around.
Like how ants carry up 10–50 times their weight. Due to the whole insect thing.
How they gain a lot of size despite not eating enough calories for it, I suppose the rules of thermodynamics dont really apply to them.
Ants are small. Xenomorphs are big. The ant rule doesn't apply to our big headed friends due to scientific reasonings. Now for the whole eating enough calories thing to get big... let's not question it too hard. Like you said, it's all fictional, but that can also be said about the alien carrying around people effortlessly lol ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:42:15 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 02:42:15 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:34:06 AMThe Alien in the first movie increased his weight in 10 times over the course of a day?
Probably not even that long. I think only a few hours were supposed to have passed between Kane popping and Brett's death.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 04:27:08 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 04:27:08 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:04:12 AMThat all depends on the average of weight of a regular Xenomorph. Do we know how much they weigh? We can use it as a basis to multiply it by how many times the Queen size is.
I don't know what they weigh. You said you knew for a fact Queens weigh more than a ton.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2024, 04:35:28 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 18, 2024, 04:35:28 AM
I remember the DVD case for AvP had height and weight stats for the Alien and Predator on the inside; I think they gave the Alien at around 220 pounds, which is 100 kilos, which is pretty light for something that big.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 04:41:00 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 04:41:00 AM
You'd think it'd be a bit more considering its height. But they supposed to be skinny. I'm trying to think of a time they made any sort of difference to what they were standing on that would give an indication of weight. Maybe the bed in the Alien 3 SE just before Clemens is killed. But on the other hand they run across ceilings pretty quick and don't make a stack of noise while doing so.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 05:39:48 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 05:39:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 04:27:08 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 02:04:12 AMThat all depends on the average of weight of a regular Xenomorph. Do we know how much they weigh? We can use it as a basis to multiply it by how many times the Queen size is.
I don't know what they weigh. You said you knew for a fact Queens weigh more than a ton.
I'm sorry, but I never said I knew for a "fact". Like I told Local Trouble, I was speculating she's over a ton. Anything below that, is not possible in my opinion. That's due to the size of her crown, tail, body, limbs, organs, etcetera. She probably weighs the same size as a giraffe which is around 2,600lbs. Probably more. Again, speculating.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 07:10:13 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 07:10:13 AM
Quote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:34:21 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:28:43 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AMBut if you factor in the Queen who weighs one third or half the weight of an APC
Where did you come up with that? The APC weighs ~15 tons (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier). You think the queen weighs as much as an elephant?
Nah, I'm just speculating, of course. Some people say 10 tons. Others say 5 tons. But I know for a fact the queen weighs more than a ton. It doesn't matter anyway. A ton is definitely noticeable, especially when the dropship came in barebones.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 07:27:52 AM
Post by: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 07:27:52 AM
Lol fair. My apologies. Let's just stick with me arguing with speculations rather than facts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 18, 2024, 09:20:52 AM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 18, 2024, 09:20:52 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:36:13 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:34:21 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 01:28:43 AMQuote from: DARIAS93 on Mar 18, 2024, 01:18:52 AMBut if you factor in the Queen who weighs one third or half the weight of an APC
Where did you come up with that? The APC weighs ~15 tons (https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/M577_Armored_Personnel_Carrier). You think the queen weighs as much as an elephant?
Nah, I'm just speculating, of course. Some people say 10 tons. Others say 5 tons. But I know for a fact the queen weighs more than a ton. It doesn't matter anyway. A ton is definitely noticeable.
The first dropship was carrying an APC, a full crew and a full load of missiles. The second dropship had none of that. The added weight of the queen would have been well below its capacity.
that makes sense.
but a hovering aircraft weighing say 10 tons without apc and other stuff isn t going stay in one place if something weighing a ton suddenly gets on and it upsets the centre of gravity. an android should have noticed this even if the system is auto mated to adjust for it. remember i am on about bishop not noticing it. not that it s impossable.
this is a forum right? and this is a discussion thread about the egg on the sulaco. off course we love the movies. but we also love discussion. if everything made perfect sense we would have nothing to discuss.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 09:57:27 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 18, 2024, 09:57:27 AM
She looks heavy that's for sure. Hope that helps :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 08:22:02 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 08:22:02 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 18, 2024, 09:20:52 AMbut a hovering aircraft weighing say 10 tons without apc and other stuff isn t going stay in one place if something weighing a ton suddenly gets on and it upsets the centre of gravity. an android should have noticed this even if the system is auto mated to adjust for it. remember i am on about bishop not noticing it. not that it s impossable.
At the time, the dropship was getting jostled around by explosions and, as others have pointed out, it also scooped up a bunch of metal debris of undetermined weight in its port-side landing gear. It wasn't just placidly hovering when the queen climbed onto the rear landing gear.
Speaking of that debris, it probably came loose and floated away when Bishop extended the landing gear again to dock with the Sulaco, but the dropship would have been in space and weightless at that time.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: oduodu on Mar 18, 2024, 08:28:57 PM
Post by: oduodu on Mar 18, 2024, 08:28:57 PM
fair enough
local
how did the queen get inside the landing gear if it was never extended?
ok so when bishop took of because the platform became unstable he never retracted the landing gear? so when he picked up ripley and newt and when they were onboard did he retract the landing gear?
do i have this right?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 08:22:02 PMQuote from: oduodu on Mar 18, 2024, 09:20:52 AMbut a hovering aircraft weighing say 10 tons without apc and other stuff isn t going stay in one place if something weighing a ton suddenly gets on and it upsets the centre of gravity. an android should have noticed this even if the system is auto mated to adjust for it. remember i am on about bishop not noticing it. not that it s impossable.
At the time, the dropship was getting jostled around by explosions and, as others have pointed out, it also scooped up a bunch of metal debris of undetermined weight in its port-side landing gear. It wasn't just placidly hovering when the queen climbed onto the rear landing gear.
Speaking of that debris, it probably came loose and floated away when Bishop extended the landing gear again to dock with the Sulaco, but the dropship would have been in space and weightless at that time.
local
how did the queen get inside the landing gear if it was never extended?
ok so when bishop took of because the platform became unstable he never retracted the landing gear? so when he picked up ripley and newt and when they were onboard did he retract the landing gear?
do i have this right?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 10:00:16 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 18, 2024, 10:00:16 PM
All of the landing gear were extended when Bishop picked up Ripley and Newt, but the rear landing gear was conveniently out of the frame when the queen climbed onto it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 10:11:44 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 18, 2024, 10:11:44 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 01:04:28 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 01:04:28 AM
I actually very much doubt that a xeno has a lot of weight to it; drones walk on walls and ceilings with ease, and the weight of the queen being pulled out of an airlock didn't tear Ripley's foot off. Also consider that during the first movie, the Xeno was supposed to be able to squeeze into smaller spaces than its body size, (so less of a solid structure) and despite seeing a xeno skull in Predator 2, seeing one ran over by an APC it didn't look very solid at all. I think it's a very strong creature, but not necessarily heavy. (Eg; When I'm in the lab, I can pick up a crab with ease as a lightweight animal, but if it latches into something with its claw, can I hell pry it open). 😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 19, 2024, 01:27:20 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 19, 2024, 01:27:20 AM
That sounds like... :o
JK!🙊🙈😅👍
JK!🙊🙈😅👍
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2024, 01:58:42 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 19, 2024, 01:58:42 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 01:04:28 AMI actually very much doubt that a xeno has a lot of weight to it; drones walk on walls and ceilings with ease, and the weight of the queen being pulled out of an airlock didn't tear Ripley's foot off. Also consider that during the first movie, the Xeno was supposed to be able to squeeze into smaller spaces than its body size, (so less of a solid structure) and despite seeing a xeno skull in Predator 2, seeing one ran over by an APC it didn't look very solid at all. I think it's a very strong creature, but not necessarily heavy. (Eg; When I'm in the lab, I can pick up a crab with ease as a lightweight animal, but if it latches into something with its claw, can I hell pry it open). 😂
Squeeze into small spaces quietly no less.
And stand perpendicular to a vertical landing strut.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 02:31:46 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 02:31:46 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2024, 01:58:42 AMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 01:04:28 AMI actually very much doubt that a xeno has a lot of weight to it; drones walk on walls and ceilings with ease, and the weight of the queen being pulled out of an airlock didn't tear Ripley's foot off. Also consider that during the first movie, the Xeno was supposed to be able to squeeze into smaller spaces than its body size, (so less of a solid structure) and despite seeing a xeno skull in Predator 2, seeing one ran over by an APC it didn't look very solid at all. I think it's a very strong creature, but not necessarily heavy. (Eg; When I'm in the lab, I can pick up a crab with ease as a lightweight animal, but if it latches into something with its claw, can I hell pry it open). 😂
Squeeze into small spaces quietly no less.
And stand perpendicular to a vertical landing strut.
Yes, another good example there; the big chap holds its entire body weight standing on its tail and lowers itself down towards Brett.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 19, 2024, 09:25:59 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 19, 2024, 09:25:59 AM
Towards Brett you mean.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2024, 09:38:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 19, 2024, 09:38:04 AM
It's also just standing perpendicular to the leg before lowering. Their feet grippy.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 10:42:13 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 19, 2024, 10:42:13 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 19, 2024, 09:25:59 AMTowards Brett you mean.
Yes, towards Brett. 🤣 (my god it's been a long week)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 19, 2024, 07:22:38 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 19, 2024, 07:22:38 PM
The queen is tall but light like a giant pterosaur?😱🤓👉👈
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWGnlAQsRaE
It's like a dinosaur skeleton with guts.🥱🥱🤢👉👈🤮👎
Also...Shrimp vibes 🍤
Need a snack, see ya later 🙏🙈
Woah...👀👉👈
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWGnlAQsRaE
It's like a dinosaur skeleton with guts.🥱🥱🤢👉👈🤮👎
Also...Shrimp vibes 🍤
Need a snack, see ya later 🙏🙈
Woah...👀👉👈
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 04:34:34 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 04:34:34 PM
The egg hanging always seemed strange. All eggs in every Alien and AVP sit upright, and open delicately. Also eggs open into response to movement, everyone was in crypstasis and not moving...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 09:22:52 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 09:22:52 PM
It's upside down. Facehugger fell out.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 09:29:18 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 09:29:18 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 09:22:52 PMIt's upside down. Facehugger fell out.
But the movement. What organic life moved that awoke the facehugger?
"It was Burke! It was Burke." :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 10:47:30 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 10:47:30 PM
No movement - just gravity. It tried to hang on, but physics ultimately won.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 11:04:38 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 11:04:38 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 10:47:30 PMNo movement - just gravity. It tried to hang on, but physics ultimately won.
I meant eggs open to the presence of a viable host, not movement of synthetics or other things. So what prompted the facehugger to come out if everyone is motionless in cryo?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 11:14:05 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 11:14:05 PM
Micro changes in air density.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 11:17:14 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 11:17:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 11:14:05 PMMicro changes in air density.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That explains everything! XD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 12:28:19 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 12:28:19 AM
We're not sure it's the right explanation yet.
We're still collating.
We're still collating.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 27, 2024, 12:35:00 AM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 27, 2024, 12:35:00 AM
Before Prometheus, Alien3 had plotholes that taunted fans. XD
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Mar 27, 2024, 04:10:07 AM
Post by: Eal on Mar 27, 2024, 04:10:07 AM
A mutant strain of Cornbread accidentally left to petrify in Utility corridor A became an egg.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 27, 2024, 04:24:13 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 27, 2024, 04:24:13 AM
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 11:04:38 PMQuote from: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 10:47:30 PMNo movement - just gravity. It tried to hang on, but physics ultimately won.
I meant eggs open to the presence of a viable host, not movement of synthetics or other things. So what prompted the facehugger to come out if everyone is motionless in cryo?
[insert story between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet, that ends in having to use the Civilian cryobay] *Newt holding Ripley's hand walks on the floor grate above heading to their cryotubes... egg pulsates and opens slowly, two webbed feet slowly emerging* (Later when everyone is in hypersleep, we see the aftermath, an open empty egg as per the intro of Alien 3) - easy enough fix, it opened before they were in stasis. 😁
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Neila on Mar 27, 2024, 07:39:57 AM
Post by: Neila on Mar 27, 2024, 07:39:57 AM
The egg on the sulaco was not laid by the queen like the other eggs and then taken to the spaceship, but rather the egg grew in the intermediate floor of the sulaco.
During the fight with Ripley, amniotic fluid from the queen's body leaked into the intermediate floor and the slanted egg developed from it while Ripley and Newt were already asleep.
The egg is a highly sensitive structure and, so to speak, "sensed" the unfamiliar surroundings and opened itself to let the hugger go and send it to work.
I firmly believe that's exactly how it was ;)
During the fight with Ripley, amniotic fluid from the queen's body leaked into the intermediate floor and the slanted egg developed from it while Ripley and Newt were already asleep.
The egg is a highly sensitive structure and, so to speak, "sensed" the unfamiliar surroundings and opened itself to let the hugger go and send it to work.
I firmly believe that's exactly how it was ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 08:02:54 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 08:02:54 AM
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 27, 2024, 08:06:34 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 27, 2024, 08:06:34 AM
Did I stutter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSuoAb9Lz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSuoAb9Lz4
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Neila on Mar 27, 2024, 09:38:18 AM
Post by: Neila on Mar 27, 2024, 09:38:18 AM
Have any of these versions been officially confirmed?
In this case, everyone has to put together their own theory.
Personally, I like the version with the fruit liquid best.
If Bishop brought the egg aboard the Sulaco, he probably wouldn't have stuck it to the mesh floor but would have used another hiding place.
The other Hugger or Huggers may have been in the dropship when it was still on the planet.
In the case of A3 AC, I think it is also difficult to explain where the QueenHugger comes from.
In any case, the hugger on the Sulaco doesn't have webbed feet.
In this case, everyone has to put together their own theory.
Personally, I like the version with the fruit liquid best.
If Bishop brought the egg aboard the Sulaco, he probably wouldn't have stuck it to the mesh floor but would have used another hiding place.
The other Hugger or Huggers may have been in the dropship when it was still on the planet.
In the case of A3 AC, I think it is also difficult to explain where the QueenHugger comes from.
In any case, the hugger on the Sulaco doesn't have webbed feet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 27, 2024, 01:04:39 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 27, 2024, 01:04:39 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 03:05:10 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 27, 2024, 03:05:10 PM
How in the world would Bishop have done it ?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 27, 2024, 11:04:27 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 27, 2024, 11:04:27 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 27, 2024, 04:24:13 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 26, 2024, 11:04:38 PMQuote from: SM on Mar 26, 2024, 10:47:30 PMNo movement - just gravity. It tried to hang on, but physics ultimately won.
I meant eggs open to the presence of a viable host, not movement of synthetics or other things. So what prompted the facehugger to come out if everyone is motionless in cryo?
[insert story between Aliens and Alien 3 that we haven't seen yet, that ends in having to use the Civilian cryobay] *Newt holding Ripley's hand walks on the floor grate above heading to their cryotubes... egg pulsates and opens slowly, two webbed feet slowly emerging* (Later when everyone is in hypersleep, we see the aftermath, an open empty egg as per the intro of Alien 3) - easy enough fix, it opened before they were in stasis. 😁
That makes the scene where Newt asks "can I dream now?" Terrifying if you think the egg is opening at that moment. :o
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 11:15:09 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 11:15:09 PM
If that's the case, I doubt the Sulaco would haven't gotten very far before the fire started and ejected the EEV, but we know it had reached an entirely different star system by then.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 27, 2024, 11:16:47 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 27, 2024, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 11:15:09 PMIf that's the case, I doubt the Sulaco would haven't gotten very far before the fire started and ejected the EEV, but we know it had reached an entirely different star system by then.
Good point. So that rules that theory out. The harder you try to salvage the opening of Alien3 the more futile it seems to try.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 11:19:21 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2024, 11:19:21 PM
And just to help with the math, I asked ChatGPT:
QuoteTo determine how far the Sulaco could travel in one day, we first need to calculate its average speed during the journey from LV-426 back to Earth.
Given that the distance from LV-426 to Earth is 39 light-years and it took three weeks to travel from Earth to LV-426 in "Aliens," we can infer that the Sulaco's average speed during that journey was:
Average speed = Distance / Time = 39 light-years / 3 weeks
However, we need to convert the time from weeks to days since we're calculating the distance the Sulaco could travel in one day:
3 weeks * 7 days/week = 21 days
So, the Sulaco's average speed during the journey from LV-426 to Earth was:
Average speed = 39 light-years / 21 days ≈ 1.857 light-years/day
Now, to find out how far the Sulaco could travel in one day, we simply multiply its average speed by one day:
Distance in one day = Average speed * 1 day
Distance in one day ≈ 1.857 light-years/day
Therefore, the Sulaco could travel approximately 1.857 light-years in one day.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 01:08:58 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 01:08:58 AM
Thing is, the Sulaco goes nowhere near any other systems on the way there or back.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 01:44:57 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 01:44:57 AM
Sulaco confirmed as rerouted then?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 28, 2024, 03:42:02 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 28, 2024, 03:42:02 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 01:44:57 AMSulaco confirmed as rerouted then?
Another perfect opportunity for another story between the two movies 🤣
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 03:43:25 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 03:43:25 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2012, 11:11:26 PMBishop said the company knew everything that happened on the ship, right? So maybe they knew an alien egg was on board and diverted it to Fury 161, just like they diverted the Nostromo to LV-426.
After all, Fury 161 was a remote, company-owned backwater populated by the dregs of humanity. Maybe they intended to use the place as a laboratory and the prisoners as hosts.
That would explain how the company ship got there so fast: it was already en route when Andrews requested a rescue team.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 28, 2024, 04:39:52 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 28, 2024, 04:39:52 AM
In all seriousness, it wouldn't even have to be an *actual* "Alien" story as opposed to character stories.
In my head I simply picture a 3-issue comic book run inspired by the line in Alien 3; "I had a horrible dream in Hypersleep, and I had to be sure how she died"
Issue 1; Starts with a recap of end-fight in Aliens as the backdrop to some comic book monologue about survival, only addition being just prior to that we see something drop from the shadows of the dropship landing gear; a small palm-sized black sticky cluster that hits the floor and burns in (just prior to Bishop noticing the burning by his foot and being impaled).. monologue ends as Queen is blasted out of airlock, and Ripley closes Newts cryotube. Focus on Newts face in hyper sleep revealing she's isn't dreaming, but is reliving a nightmare. *title page* Then rest of issue follows Newt's nightmare (mix of actual and dreamt events, on LV426). Issue ends with a quick shot of the cluster hanging beneath the flooring, bigger than when we saw it at the start, with black resin creeping outwards.
Issue 2; Starts days later from where issue 1 ended, with weeping acid from the growing cluster burning through a cable beneath the floor. CRT monitor in cryo chamber reports malfunction, and all 4 tubes open. As the crew awaken, Newt asking if they are home yet, Hicks delivers the news that there has been a problem, and they are going to have to use the civilian freezers on the lower deck. We get some technobabble about why you can't go back into cryo for at least 48 hours after hyper sleep (health reasons/strain on the body, etc), and we are treated with a montage of Newt, Ripley and Hicks enjoying some family time on the Sulaco, eating together in the mess hall, playing etc. Switch to a shot of Hicks sleeping in bed next to Ripley, Newt on a bunk opposite. Hicks is sweating, and clearly showing signs of distress in his sleep. *title page* then we follow Hick's nightmare (again, real events (ie; Mission on Arcturia with his squad, drinks with the locals/ Vasquez and Drake smirking amongst themselves as Frost leaves with a beautiful Asian girl hanging on his arm etc etc.. that slowly changes into a horrifying nightmare of fictional events with the squad all fighting a xeno infestation) issue ends with Ripley waking Hicks, they all move to the civilian cryotubes to resume their journey home. Cluster in the dark has grown substantially and two of the shapes are now visibly large ovomorphs, with smaller undeveloped ones clustered around them.
Issue 3; same format as above, starts with monologue, one ovomorph opens and two legs can be seen emerging. Cut to Ripley's cryotube; *title page* Then we get Ripley's nightmare; a mismatch of events from 'Alien', but on board Gateway Station, with frequent blurred lines between a young Amanda and Newt..nightmare ends with a facehugger on Newt's face. Final shot is Ripley's cracked cryotube with the silhouette of a facehugger over as she lays breathing heavy but sleeping as the "Emergency escape vehicle launching" sirens ring out.
Origin of the eggs, multiple huggers OR one (depending how you choose to interpret it) Ripley's nightmare fuelled by being half awake and semi-aware of what is going on (reference made to it in Alien 3 whilst taking with Clemens), and cryotube differences explained..without the need for yet another Alien encounter between. Bonus family time for Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the Alien 3 haters.
I'd be happy with that. 😂
In my head I simply picture a 3-issue comic book run inspired by the line in Alien 3; "I had a horrible dream in Hypersleep, and I had to be sure how she died"
Issue 1; Starts with a recap of end-fight in Aliens as the backdrop to some comic book monologue about survival, only addition being just prior to that we see something drop from the shadows of the dropship landing gear; a small palm-sized black sticky cluster that hits the floor and burns in (just prior to Bishop noticing the burning by his foot and being impaled).. monologue ends as Queen is blasted out of airlock, and Ripley closes Newts cryotube. Focus on Newts face in hyper sleep revealing she's isn't dreaming, but is reliving a nightmare. *title page* Then rest of issue follows Newt's nightmare (mix of actual and dreamt events, on LV426). Issue ends with a quick shot of the cluster hanging beneath the flooring, bigger than when we saw it at the start, with black resin creeping outwards.
Issue 2; Starts days later from where issue 1 ended, with weeping acid from the growing cluster burning through a cable beneath the floor. CRT monitor in cryo chamber reports malfunction, and all 4 tubes open. As the crew awaken, Newt asking if they are home yet, Hicks delivers the news that there has been a problem, and they are going to have to use the civilian freezers on the lower deck. We get some technobabble about why you can't go back into cryo for at least 48 hours after hyper sleep (health reasons/strain on the body, etc), and we are treated with a montage of Newt, Ripley and Hicks enjoying some family time on the Sulaco, eating together in the mess hall, playing etc. Switch to a shot of Hicks sleeping in bed next to Ripley, Newt on a bunk opposite. Hicks is sweating, and clearly showing signs of distress in his sleep. *title page* then we follow Hick's nightmare (again, real events (ie; Mission on Arcturia with his squad, drinks with the locals/ Vasquez and Drake smirking amongst themselves as Frost leaves with a beautiful Asian girl hanging on his arm etc etc.. that slowly changes into a horrifying nightmare of fictional events with the squad all fighting a xeno infestation) issue ends with Ripley waking Hicks, they all move to the civilian cryotubes to resume their journey home. Cluster in the dark has grown substantially and two of the shapes are now visibly large ovomorphs, with smaller undeveloped ones clustered around them.
Issue 3; same format as above, starts with monologue, one ovomorph opens and two legs can be seen emerging. Cut to Ripley's cryotube; *title page* Then we get Ripley's nightmare; a mismatch of events from 'Alien', but on board Gateway Station, with frequent blurred lines between a young Amanda and Newt..nightmare ends with a facehugger on Newt's face. Final shot is Ripley's cracked cryotube with the silhouette of a facehugger over as she lays breathing heavy but sleeping as the "Emergency escape vehicle launching" sirens ring out.
Origin of the eggs, multiple huggers OR one (depending how you choose to interpret it) Ripley's nightmare fuelled by being half awake and semi-aware of what is going on (reference made to it in Alien 3 whilst taking with Clemens), and cryotube differences explained..without the need for yet another Alien encounter between. Bonus family time for Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the Alien 3 haters.
I'd be happy with that. 😂
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Neila on Mar 28, 2024, 07:18:44 AM
Post by: Neila on Mar 28, 2024, 07:18:44 AM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 28, 2024, 04:39:52 AMIn all seriousness, it wouldn't even have to be an *actual* "Alien" story as opposed to character stories.
In my head I simply picture a 3-issue comic book run inspired by the line in Alien 3; "I had a horrible dream in Hypersleep, and I had to be sure how she died"
Issue 1; Starts with a recap of end-fight in Aliens as the backdrop to some comic book monologue about survival, only addition being just prior to that we see something drop from the shadows of the dropship landing gear; a small palm-sized black sticky cluster that hits the floor and burns in (just prior to Bishop noticing the burning by his foot and being impaled).. monologue ends as Queen is blasted out of airlock, and Ripley closes Newts cryotube. Focus on Newts face in hyper sleep revealing she's isn't dreaming, but is reliving a nightmare. *title page* Then rest of issue follows Newt's nightmare (mix of actual and dreamt events, on LV426). Issue ends with a quick shot of the cluster hanging beneath the flooring, bigger than when we saw it at the start, with black resin creeping outwards.
Issue 2; Starts days later from where issue 1 ended, with weeping acid from the growing cluster burning through a cable beneath the floor. CRT monitor in cryo chamber reports malfunction, and all 4 tubes open. As the crew awaken, Newt asking if they are home yet, Hicks delivers the news that there has been a problem, and they are going to have to use the civilian freezers on the lower deck. We get some technobabble about why you can't go back into cryo for at least 48 hours after hyper sleep (health reasons/strain on the body, etc), and we are treated with a montage of Newt, Ripley and Hicks enjoying some family time on the Sulaco, eating together in the mess hall, playing etc. Switch to a shot of Hicks sleeping in bed next to Ripley, Newt on a bunk opposite. Hicks is sweating, and clearly showing signs of distress in his sleep. *title page* then we follow Hick's nightmare (again, real events (ie; Mission on Arcturia with his squad, drinks with the locals/ Vasquez and Drake smirking amongst themselves as Frost leaves with a beautiful Asian girl hanging on his arm etc etc.. that slowly changes into a horrifying nightmare of fictional events with the squad all fighting a xeno infestation) issue ends with Ripley waking Hicks, they all move to the civilian cryotubes to resume their journey home. Cluster in the dark has grown substantially and two of the shapes are now visibly large ovomorphs, with smaller undeveloped ones clustered around them.
Issue 3; same format as above, starts with monologue, one ovomorph opens and two legs can be seen emerging. Cut to Ripley's cryotube; *title page* Then we get Ripley's nightmare; a mismatch of events from 'Alien', but on board Gateway Station, with frequent blurred lines between a young Amanda and Newt..nightmare ends with a facehugger on Newt's face. Final shot is Ripley's cracked cryotube with the silhouette of a facehugger over as she lays breathing heavy but sleeping as the "Emergency escape vehicle launching" sirens ring out.
Origin of the eggs, multiple huggers OR one (depending how you choose to interpret it) Ripley's nightmare fuelled by being half awake and semi-aware of what is going on (reference made to it in Alien 3 whilst taking with Clemens), and cryotube differences explained..without the need for yet another Alien encounter between. Bonus family time for Ripley, Newt and Hicks for the Alien 3 haters.
I'd be happy with that. 😂
impressive.
That would make a good novel or a cool comic, maybe even an animated series.
I like Alien 3 as it is and I'm glad that this film exists, but I always find alternative stories interesting.
and your idea is definitely interesting.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 03:43:25 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 10, 2012, 11:11:26 PMBishop said the company knew everything that happened on the ship, right? So maybe they knew an alien egg was on board and diverted it to Fury 161, just like they diverted the Nostromo to LV-426.
After all, Fury 161 was a remote, company-owned backwater populated by the dregs of humanity. Maybe they intended to use the place as a laboratory and the prisoners as hosts.
That would explain how the company ship got there so fast: it was already en route when Andrews requested a rescue team.
that fits like a glove.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: c0rnel on Mar 28, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
Post by: c0rnel on Mar 28, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
I thought of a few other possible scenarios, some of which might sound crazy.
1) At the beginning of Aliens the marine crew asked if this was going to be another bug hunt. This might imply that they've had an encounter with xenomorph in the past perhaps on a smaller scale. Over time, without their knowledge xenomorph got onboard, hid, and perhaps even laid eggs if a queen was among them somewhere like in the storage area until later when the marines disturbed it by moving cargo around to prepare for the mission in Aliens.
2) The company sabotaged the expendable crew by turning them into lab rats and putting xenomorph onboard without their knowledge or consent for the sake of running experiments, re-routing them to Fury 161 (Alien 3 planet) should the crew survive the events of LV-426. Everything would be logged and sent back to the company for analysis. I'd like to think that LV-426 was not the only place to have a xenomorph and because over 57+ years have passed since the primary events of Alien and the company being in business of colonizing other planets they would have prior knowledge of xenomorph existence, maybe even a secluded lab off base somewhere to study them.
3) The possibility of another company android or person being onboard the Sulaco who did not accompany the rest of the crew on their mission on LV-426 aided in the plot. He could even have his own compartment and cryotube (like Dr Weyland in Prometheus) secluded from the rest of the crew. He would strictly follow company orders and be programmed differently. Burke mentioned that they always have a synthetic onboard - but this doesn't have to be strictly limited to just one synthetic. After all, they, especially newer models, prove to be useful for various tasks.
4) The egg was dropped intentionally or by accident from the queen who snuck onboard the dropship. The sudden separation of the eggsac from previous encounter with Ripley and queen on lv-426 disrupted the proper egg process flow and the queen could not finish laying all eggs before separating from eggsac and running off.
5) Bishop snuck the facehuggers or eggs from lab/some area on lv-426 onto dropship. As a side note, the whole knife trick thing - if Hudson has moved his hand or Bishop missed a tad bit more that would have caused harm to Hudson thereby invalidating everything he said about being impossible for him to harm or by omission of action allow to be harmed, another human. Was indirect harm not considered? Perhaps sneaking dead/alive xenomorph back onboard to be studied by the company was considered non harmful to Bishop or that protocol would be overriden for the sake of following company direct order which takes precedence. One little clue related to this is where we see another dude bring him some boxes/tools using a hand cart to the lab and asks Bishop if he needs anything else, and he replies with "no" after a long pause/stare. This seemed sus to me. It's like Bishop meant that he doesn't need anything else but to continue studying the lifeform and go about his business. As an extra, what's the possibility that Burke himself was a synthetic? We see him sweat but never hurt or bleeding.
Any feedback is appreciated.
1) At the beginning of Aliens the marine crew asked if this was going to be another bug hunt. This might imply that they've had an encounter with xenomorph in the past perhaps on a smaller scale. Over time, without their knowledge xenomorph got onboard, hid, and perhaps even laid eggs if a queen was among them somewhere like in the storage area until later when the marines disturbed it by moving cargo around to prepare for the mission in Aliens.
2) The company sabotaged the expendable crew by turning them into lab rats and putting xenomorph onboard without their knowledge or consent for the sake of running experiments, re-routing them to Fury 161 (Alien 3 planet) should the crew survive the events of LV-426. Everything would be logged and sent back to the company for analysis. I'd like to think that LV-426 was not the only place to have a xenomorph and because over 57+ years have passed since the primary events of Alien and the company being in business of colonizing other planets they would have prior knowledge of xenomorph existence, maybe even a secluded lab off base somewhere to study them.
3) The possibility of another company android or person being onboard the Sulaco who did not accompany the rest of the crew on their mission on LV-426 aided in the plot. He could even have his own compartment and cryotube (like Dr Weyland in Prometheus) secluded from the rest of the crew. He would strictly follow company orders and be programmed differently. Burke mentioned that they always have a synthetic onboard - but this doesn't have to be strictly limited to just one synthetic. After all, they, especially newer models, prove to be useful for various tasks.
4) The egg was dropped intentionally or by accident from the queen who snuck onboard the dropship. The sudden separation of the eggsac from previous encounter with Ripley and queen on lv-426 disrupted the proper egg process flow and the queen could not finish laying all eggs before separating from eggsac and running off.
5) Bishop snuck the facehuggers or eggs from lab/some area on lv-426 onto dropship. As a side note, the whole knife trick thing - if Hudson has moved his hand or Bishop missed a tad bit more that would have caused harm to Hudson thereby invalidating everything he said about being impossible for him to harm or by omission of action allow to be harmed, another human. Was indirect harm not considered? Perhaps sneaking dead/alive xenomorph back onboard to be studied by the company was considered non harmful to Bishop or that protocol would be overriden for the sake of following company direct order which takes precedence. One little clue related to this is where we see another dude bring him some boxes/tools using a hand cart to the lab and asks Bishop if he needs anything else, and he replies with "no" after a long pause/stare. This seemed sus to me. It's like Bishop meant that he doesn't need anything else but to continue studying the lifeform and go about his business. As an extra, what's the possibility that Burke himself was a synthetic? We see him sweat but never hurt or bleeding.
Any feedback is appreciated.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 28, 2024, 02:59:20 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 28, 2024, 02:59:20 PM
I think the back half of your ideas work to some degree, but I must say "bug hunt" does not refer to a prior encounter with the Alien, perhaps other easily circumvented extraterrestrial life similar to earth animals but nothing like Xenomorph XX121 hence the arrogance.
Idea 2 and 3 to a large degree, takes the company from opportunistic to actively malicious, and incompetent.
Idea 2 and 3 to a large degree, takes the company from opportunistic to actively malicious, and incompetent.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Neila on Mar 28, 2024, 03:44:41 PM
Post by: Neila on Mar 28, 2024, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: c0rnel on Mar 28, 2024, 12:59:49 PMI thought of a few other possible scenarios, some of which might sound crazy.
1) At the beginning of Aliens the marine crew asked if this was going to be another bug hunt. This might imply that they've had an encounter with xenomorph in the past perhaps on a smaller scale. Over time, without their knowledge xenomorph got onboard, hid, and perhaps even laid eggs if a queen was among them somewhere like in the storage area until later when the marines disturbed it by moving cargo around to prepare for the mission in Aliens.
I think it was always intended that the Marines first encountered the xeno in Aliens and Bug Hunt refers to other life forms.
In the much later Free League / Colonial Marines RPG book it is mentioned that in the alien universe there are countless living beings and creatures which the Marines commonly refer to as bugs.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 03:47:38 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 13, 2014, 10:28:04 PMA "bug hunt" in Aliens is a literal hunt for bugs. Indigenous pests. Hence the 'Bug Stomper' nose art. Whatever contemporary parlance the term might have, in the film it means dealing with threats that are beyond the colonists ability to control. A "stand up fight" would be dealing with an organised human force - rebels/ terrorists etc.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Neila on Mar 28, 2024, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: Neila on Mar 28, 2024, 03:53:56 PM
there we go
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PM
My problem with the Queen is that there's no way she snuck the egg on. That theory just needs to be dropped all together. She was chasing and fighting Ripley the entire time. She never crawled back to the cryo chambers and planted the egg and then crawled back under the dropship to surprise Ripley. And she definitely was not squeezing an egg between her legs as she chased Ripley up an elevator and off the planet and during a major battle.
As much comical fun as you could have with saying that the company snuck on and planted an egg while they were sleeping, it once again makes zero logical sense. Though the egg being onboard already makes zero logical sense. At that point you could just take control of the ship without diverting to Fury 161. Why waste the time? And if the company did sabotage the ship why would you divert it to another planet to being with? Why not divert it somewhere you can access the ship more quickly?
Now the ONE possibility I see here that makes sense is bishop. The problem is Bishops honesty throughout Aliens that makes this difficult to believe. He told them straight up about Burke, why would he have done that only to have hidden sabotaging the ship with an egg from them? And if he had done it I'm assuming it was done earlier in the film where he had time, but that means he probably would have confessed as he did when he told them Burke told him to keep the face huggers alive. HOWEVER, if you really want to make some lazy writing which is all Alien 3 and Alien R is, you can just say Bishop was forced to bring a egg onboard by Burke while the others were distracted. Bishop could have remotely controlled the dropship, maybe an electrical cart to extract the egg, and hide it temporarily. But it would totally go against the character arc Bishop had throughout Aliens and a brief moment in A3.
I might get a lot of resistance for this take but I liked how Aliens Colonial Marines the video game had Hicks wake up, kill that guy, and throw him in his cryo tube. That storyline was cool and an easy fix for one of the characters. But I also think it only fits in the sense of like a comic book or in this case video game.
As much comical fun as you could have with saying that the company snuck on and planted an egg while they were sleeping, it once again makes zero logical sense. Though the egg being onboard already makes zero logical sense. At that point you could just take control of the ship without diverting to Fury 161. Why waste the time? And if the company did sabotage the ship why would you divert it to another planet to being with? Why not divert it somewhere you can access the ship more quickly?
Now the ONE possibility I see here that makes sense is bishop. The problem is Bishops honesty throughout Aliens that makes this difficult to believe. He told them straight up about Burke, why would he have done that only to have hidden sabotaging the ship with an egg from them? And if he had done it I'm assuming it was done earlier in the film where he had time, but that means he probably would have confessed as he did when he told them Burke told him to keep the face huggers alive. HOWEVER, if you really want to make some lazy writing which is all Alien 3 and Alien R is, you can just say Bishop was forced to bring a egg onboard by Burke while the others were distracted. Bishop could have remotely controlled the dropship, maybe an electrical cart to extract the egg, and hide it temporarily. But it would totally go against the character arc Bishop had throughout Aliens and a brief moment in A3.
I might get a lot of resistance for this take but I liked how Aliens Colonial Marines the video game had Hicks wake up, kill that guy, and throw him in his cryo tube. That storyline was cool and an easy fix for one of the characters. But I also think it only fits in the sense of like a comic book or in this case video game.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 28, 2024, 08:20:48 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 28, 2024, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PMI might get a lot of resistance for this take
You will.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 08:37:13 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 08:37:13 PM
At no point in the film does Bishop have time to take an hours long trip to the Sulaco and back, and he certainly couldn't stash the egg after being ripped in half when they do arrive on ship. That theory has been gone over a 1000 times and it doesn't hold up even a little bit.
The truth is that there is no satisfactory explanation other than no one making the film cared about how or why the egg was there.
The truth is that there is no satisfactory explanation other than no one making the film cared about how or why the egg was there.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 08:46:39 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 08:46:39 PM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PMI might get a lot of resistance for this take but I liked how Aliens Colonial Marines the video game had Hicks wake up, kill that guy, and throw him in his cryo tube.
"That guy" was Turk! Show some respect! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 09:00:40 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 28, 2024, 08:20:48 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PMI might get a lot of resistance for this take
You will.
And deserve it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 28, 2024, 08:20:48 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PMI might get a lot of resistance for this take
You will.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 08:46:39 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PMI might get a lot of resistance for this take but I liked how Aliens Colonial Marines the video game had Hicks wake up, kill that guy, and throw him in his cryo tube.
"That guy" was Turk! Show some respect! >:(
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 09:00:40 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 28, 2024, 08:20:48 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 07:13:05 PMI might get a lot of resistance for this take
You will.
And deserve it.
Damn you all, HICKS is alive!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 08:37:13 PMAt no point in the film does Bishop have time to take an hours long trip to the Sulaco and back, and he certainly couldn't stash the egg after being ripped in half when they do arrive on ship. That theory has been gone over a 1000 times and it doesn't hold up even a little bit.
The truth is that there is no satisfactory explanation other than no one making the film cared about how or why the egg was there.
An hours long trip? Did you see how fast they landed and departed LV 426?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 09:31:38 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 09:31:38 PM
Bishop literally states in the film that the flight time is 50 minutes one way...
I mean if you think you have a solid theory go ahead and wander through the dark halls of this thread and you will see it has been debunked many many times.
I mean if you think you have a solid theory go ahead and wander through the dark halls of this thread and you will see it has been debunked many many times.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 09:34:47 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 09:34:47 PM
*taps the sign*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSuoAb9Lz4
Shorter one just about Bishop coming out shortly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSuoAb9Lz4
Shorter one just about Bishop coming out shortly.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 10:42:54 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 10:42:54 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 09:31:38 PMBishop literally states in the film that the flight time is 50 minutes one way...
I mean if you think you have a solid theory go ahead and wander through the dark halls of this thread and you will see it has been debunked many many times.
Lmao I never said that's my theory, I was responding to someone else's bullets on the previous page and said out of all the theories this is the only one that remotely could be wiggled enough to make sense. I don't agree with it I just think with all the possible theories that the person gave examples of this one could be used.
Regardless we have a ghost egg on the ship with no way of it being possible to get there other than writers magic, so all the theories are trash anyways.
Quote from: SM on Mar 28, 2024, 09:34:47 PM*taps the sign*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSuoAb9Lz4
Shorter one just about Bishop coming out shortly.
Nice video. I have to ask cause you're knowledge on the Alien universe is absolutely absurd (I mean that as a compliment) do you collaborate and use outside help from others or have you just been on a solo mission gathering this knowledge?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 10:58:44 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 03, 2023, 04:34:19 AMChatGPT has written it all out:QuoteINT. SULACO HANGAR BAY - NIGHT
Ripley, inside the Power Loader exoskeleton, battles the furious Queen Alien. The Queen, having torn herself free from her egg sac, has a gaping wound in her abdomen, with her innards partially exposed.
As the intense fight continues, a microscopic, undeveloped egg is unknowingly dislodged from the Queen's abdominal cavity. It drops onto the grated floor, virtually invisible to the naked eye, appearing as nothing more than a tiny, harmless blob of slime.
INT. SULACO SUBFLOORING - CONTINUOUS
The minuscule, slimy egg slips through the grates and sticks to the subflooring beneath the hangar bay. There, hidden from sight, it slowly starts to congeal and take root. The resilient Xenomorph life form begins its development process, growing and expanding as it clings to the floor.
INT. SULACO HANGAR BAY - NIGHT
Ripley, still engaged in her life-or-death struggle with the Queen, manages to open the airlock. The vacuum of space sucks the Queen Alien out of the Sulaco, leaving Ripley victorious but completely unaware of the danger that remains hidden on the ship.
INT. SULACO SUBFLOORING - ONE WEEK LATER
The once-microscopic egg has grown to full size, pulsating with life. Unseen by the crew and still attached to the subflooring, the egg awaits its opportunity to unleash the next Xenomorph nightmare.
As the Sulaco continues its journey, the egg senses the presence of potential hosts nearby. It slowly opens, revealing the Facehugger within, poised to strike.
FADE OUT.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:04:25 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:04:25 PM
I admit that one makes the most sense and I just saw it in SMs video. But still how does a microscopic egg grow to that size without the ability of the queen to nurture it inside her egg sac. Thats like a human egg growing outside the human, it just wouldn't work and if it was the case why would the queen even need a sack to begin with. It's just as much of a stretch as the others. And where it would have fallen in between the grated floor we already see what it looks like because Newt is hiding down there.
Just more questions this poses
Just more questions this poses
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:07:53 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:07:53 PM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 10:42:54 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 09:31:38 PMBishop literally states in the film that the flight time is 50 minutes one way...
I mean if you think you have a solid theory go ahead and wander through the dark halls of this thread and you will see it has been debunked many many times.
Lmao I never said that's my theory, I was responding to someone else's bullets on the previous page and said out of all the theories this is the only one that remotely could be wiggled enough to make sense. I don't agree with it I just think with all the possible theories that the person gave examples of this one could be used.
I didnt say it was your theory either... I said if you think you have a solid theory, refer to this enormous thread and you'll see its been discussed and shot down.
... and no the "Bishop did it" theory can't be "wiggled" enough to make sense and of those examples it also can't be used.
QuoteRegardless we have a ghost egg on the ship with no way of it being possible to get there other than writers magic, so all the theories are trash
Thats the spirit
I actually don't mind the queen goo theory but its born from the work of ardent fans and not the film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:18:12 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:18:12 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:07:53 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 10:42:54 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 09:31:38 PMBishop literally states in the film that the flight time is 50 minutes one way...
I mean if you think you have a solid theory go ahead and wander through the dark halls of this thread and you will see it has been debunked many many times.
Lmao I never said that's my theory, I was responding to someone else's bullets on the previous page and said out of all the theories this is the only one that remotely could be wiggled enough to make sense. I don't agree with it I just think with all the possible theories that the person gave examples of this one could be used.
I didnt say it was your theory either... I said if you think you have a solid theory, refer to this enormous thread and you'll see its been discussed and shot down.
... and no the "Bishop did it" theory can't be "wiggled" enough to make sense and of those examples it also can't be used.QuoteRegardless we have a ghost egg on the ship with no way of it being possible to get there other than writers magic, so all the theories are trash
Thats the spirit
I actually don't mind the queen goo theory but its born from the work of ardent fans and not the film.
Nothing about Alien 3 or Alien R can be wiggled to make enough sense. The queen microscopic egg theory is just as outlandish as the rest and makes no sense
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:18:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:41:51 AMWell, the egg sac would allow for the rapid production of fully functional eggs. This method would be much slower. Theoretically, a soldier alien could produce eggs the same way.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2024, 11:20:03 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 28, 2024, 11:20:03 PM
Microscopic egg doodad plus host = egg morphing
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:24:17 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:24:17 PM
Lol outlandish I say! Poppycock!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:34:05 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:18:45 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 12, 2012, 04:41:51 AMWell, the egg sac would allow for the rapid production of fully functional eggs. This method would be much slower. Theoretically, a soldier alien could produce eggs the same way.
I'm not saying this is a bad theory but I'm trying to make sense of this. So here's my questions. There's literally nothing to back this claim. Aside from egg morphing, we cannot just assume a microscopic egg managed to fully grow outside of its sac. And you mention fully functional. How did it manage to get to a fully functional state without the sac then? The eggs are so large that they have to be microscopic as they enter the sac to then fully grow. So now you take away the sac and all of the sudden it can still grow with a developed face hugger? And it still doesnt answer the grated floor question. We see Newt in the floors so we know what they look like. The queen only walked in a relatively small place after coming down from the dropship
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:36:50 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:36:50 PM
We also know what the cryotubes look like, but Alien 3 didn't seem to care about them either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:38:28 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:38:28 PM
Unfortunatly its the closest we'll ever get to an answer.
Also would explain the angle and strange look of the egg. And we don't see all of the subflooring in the whole bay, there could be an area under that floor where this egg is.
And if you think this is crazy, read Gibsons Alien 3 drafts. The egg literally grows out of bishops abdomen because the queens tail left the micro egg goo behind.
Also would explain the angle and strange look of the egg. And we don't see all of the subflooring in the whole bay, there could be an area under that floor where this egg is.
And if you think this is crazy, read Gibsons Alien 3 drafts. The egg literally grows out of bishops abdomen because the queens tail left the micro egg goo behind.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:43:33 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:43:33 PM
Blasphemy. I like the creativity but I can't accept it, outlandishly POPPYCOCK I say!
I think we need to see the blue prints of the sulaco then. I just don't see it being different unless there's something that shows it. I'd assume you would keep the same design at such a critical part of the ship that opens and closes doors to the vacuums of space
Digging into this always makes my head hurt, it was a dream
And that was my next question what's up with the cryo chamber and the EEV I never understood that about A3 or looked into it. Was there a reasoning it was different.
I think we need to see the blue prints of the sulaco then. I just don't see it being different unless there's something that shows it. I'd assume you would keep the same design at such a critical part of the ship that opens and closes doors to the vacuums of space
Digging into this always makes my head hurt, it was a dream
And that was my next question what's up with the cryo chamber and the EEV I never understood that about A3 or looked into it. Was there a reasoning it was different.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:48:04 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:48:04 PM
It's as simple as Fincher prefering the classic cryotube look over continuity.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:50:08 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:50:08 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:50:39 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:50:39 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:48:04 PMIt's as simple as Fincher prefering the classic cryotube look over continuity.
I guess Ripley couldn't replicate it properly when she was in her dream state imagining Alien 3 and Resurrection
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:54:08 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:54:08 PM
I love the film, so thinking about how to make production stuff like this "fit in" I find pretty fun, even though I know it not to be the case I like to think the cryotubes load from one design into the other as they are ejected into the emergency escape vehicle.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:55:22 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:55:22 PM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:50:39 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:48:04 PMIt's as simple as Fincher prefering the classic cryotube look over continuity.
I guess Ripley couldn't replicate it properly when she was in her dream state imagining Alien 3 and Resurrection
Some people get upset at the idea of Alien 3 being nothing but a dream.
Spoiler
I am not one of those people.
[close]
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:02:27 AM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:02:27 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 28, 2024, 11:55:22 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 28, 2024, 11:50:39 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Mar 28, 2024, 11:48:04 PMIt's as simple as Fincher prefering the classic cryotube look over continuity.
I guess Ripley couldn't replicate it properly when she was in her dream state imagining Alien 3 and Resurrection
Some people get upset at the idea of Alien 3 being nothing but a dream.Spoiler
I am not one of those people.[close]
I just want you to know that got a hefty laugh out of me
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:02:48 AM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:02:48 AM
Puts all the cool stuff that features things from it in a rather awkward context though!
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 12:13:15 AM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 12:13:15 AM
Too many things I enjoy about A3 and making it a dream just feels creatively bankrupt. I was never down with Blommys retconning either.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 29, 2024, 12:54:26 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 29, 2024, 12:54:26 AM
Alien³ is real😃👍 The facehugger is dreaming inside the Sulaco egg with the prequels! ;D ;)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 29, 2024, 12:56:30 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 29, 2024, 12:56:30 AM
A nightmare, rather. And a beautiful one.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 01:15:06 AM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 01:15:06 AM
What if everything in Alien 3 is correct and Aliens is wrong... 🧐😉 Cameron simply didn't foresee Fincher's magnificent vision. 🤣
(I'm now picturing the 'true' events of Aliens, with the Alien 3 aesthetic, and it is glorious).
(I'm now picturing the 'true' events of Aliens, with the Alien 3 aesthetic, and it is glorious).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 02:16:00 AM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 02:16:00 AM
Aliens was all a dream - that's why the cryotubes in EEV are the same as the Nostromo.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 05:42:17 AM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 05:42:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 02:16:00 AMAliens was all a dream - that's why the cryotubes in EEV are the same as the Nostromo.
Okay Christopher Nolan
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 05:56:04 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 05:56:04 AM
Alien and Aliens are the dreams. Alien 3 is the only real film.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:16:06 AM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:16:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 05:56:04 AMAlien and Aliens are the dreams. Alien 3 is the only real film.The plot twist thickens
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:20:28 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:20:28 PM
Alien³ does have that feeling of waking up from dreaming something you desperately wanted, but it is just a dream, the film itself tonally feels very real overall. Opening and closing moments set aside. Aliens does seemingly partake in a degree of wish fulfilment for Ripley.
Not like Alien Resurrection which practically operates on dream logic.
Not like Alien Resurrection which practically operates on dream logic.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2024, 08:02:46 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2024, 08:02:46 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:20:28 PMNot like Alien Resurrection which practically operates on dream logic.
PCs standing around arguing in front of increasingly upset NPCs while the clock ticks makes it feel like a role-playing game session every time I watch it.
Note, I don't necessarily consider that a negative.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 08:11:40 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 08:11:40 PM
Alien Resurrection is that burst of static you see when you squeeze too hard on the toilet.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:47:16 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:47:16 PM
Alien Resurrection is one of those movies where it had all the elements to make a good movie, but was executed by a Director who was f**king clueless around how to handle an Alien movie.
If I could take the sets and aesthetic and keep it, but remove every Alien in the movie and redo them with decent designs, strip back the excessive KY jelly, remove every alien sound effect and replace them with something that sounds like a Xenomorph, replace half of the cast, use one of the infinitely cooler earlier newborn designs, completely redo the opening title sequence, cut back all the "jokes", replace the cgi ships with practical models, and redo the soundtrack with something that sounds like it belongs in the original trilogy... there's a good movie hidden in there somewhere... I actually enjoyed reading an earlier draft of the script and picturing it differently that what we got.
If I could take the sets and aesthetic and keep it, but remove every Alien in the movie and redo them with decent designs, strip back the excessive KY jelly, remove every alien sound effect and replace them with something that sounds like a Xenomorph, replace half of the cast, use one of the infinitely cooler earlier newborn designs, completely redo the opening title sequence, cut back all the "jokes", replace the cgi ships with practical models, and redo the soundtrack with something that sounds like it belongs in the original trilogy... there's a good movie hidden in there somewhere... I actually enjoyed reading an earlier draft of the script and picturing it differently that what we got.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 29, 2024, 08:50:29 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 29, 2024, 08:50:29 PM
While I prefer the biomechanical/original look, the design in Rez is decent because it suits the creatures per context of that movie, they are mutants.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:58:59 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 29, 2024, 08:50:29 PMWhile I prefer the biomechanical/original look, the design in Rez is decent because it suits the creatures per context of that movie, they are mutants.
I don't mind them being mutants, that isn't the issue for me (though they can lose the cockroach heads) the runner in Alien 3 isn't biomechanical and it's one of my fave designs.. it's the excessive use of shit cgi that's the problem, from a time when the technology wasn't quite there yet. I'd argue the rod puppet in Alien 3 looked infinitely better. They should have rolled with more practical effects. Movies years before it look better because they knew to use cgi sparingly to complement the practical effects (Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park spring to mind as prime examples of this done well).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 09:00:24 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 09:00:24 PM
Quotereplace the cgi ships with practical models
Well this should be easy since the ships are already practical models...
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:02:09 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:02:09 PM
There's nothing excessive about AR's use of CGI Aliens either. They're only used when needed - like Jurassic Park they're mostly practical.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 09:03:03 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 09:00:24 PMQuotereplace the cgi ships with practical models
Well this should be easy since the ships are already practical models...
Seriously :laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:12:49 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:02:09 PMThere's nothing excessive about AR's use of CGI Aliens either. They're only used when needed - like Jurassic Park they're mostly practical.
The underwater sequence where the xenos look like they are straight out of a SEGA Saturn game? Could have been achieved with a guy in a suit (as per AvP2 swimming pool) - considering that had a guy in a suit underwater anyway for parts of that sequence, it made no sense to me. The shitty looking cgi sparkly xeno that looks like it's floating as it crawls up the ladder to grab Christie? Abysmal compared with the runner in Alien 3 leaping out of the hot lead in the furnace to climb up after Ripley.. if there's no need for it, simply don't do it (imo).😅
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 09:18:36 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 09:18:36 PM
No. It could not have been achieved by a guy in a suit.
:laugh:
QuoteAbysmal compared with the runner in Alien 3 leaping out of the hot lead in the furnace to climb up after Ripley.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:20:18 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:20:18 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:12:49 PMThe underwater sequence where the xenos look like they are straight out of a SEGA Saturn game? Could have been achieved with a guy in a suit (as per AvP2 swimming pool) - considering that had a guy in a suit underwater anyway for parts of that sequence, it made no sense to me.You try swimming gracefully in 30kg of waterlogged rubber. They did as much as they could without drowning anybody (which meant doing less than they planned, as the suits were taking water and threatening to drown the performers).
AvPR had like two quick shots of a guy being pulled on a wire and that was it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 09:21:34 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 09:21:34 PM
I actually think the underwater sequence was pretty well done and holds up alright.
At the time it looked really impressive.
The other shots don't look great and never really did but arent a big deal compared to the films other issues.
At the time it looked really impressive.
The other shots don't look great and never really did but arent a big deal compared to the films other issues.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 29, 2024, 09:21:51 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 29, 2024, 09:21:51 PM
Even then Ron Perlman almost drowned I hear.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 09:23:14 PM
Post by: SM on Mar 29, 2024, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 29, 2024, 09:21:34 PMI actually think the underwater sequence was pretty well done and holds up alright.
At the time it looked really impressive.
The other shots don't look great and never really did but arent a big deal compared to the films other issues.
The best one was the Alien crawling into the lifeboat.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:24:30 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:24:30 PM
The Alien surging through the water to try to bite someone's foot is a cool shot, 90s CGI and all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:25:42 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:25:42 PM
The Alien going up the ladder does look awful but, you are on crack, if you think changing the director or his choices might have saved that film.
It is the only thing making the script somewhat palatable.
It is the only thing making the script somewhat palatable.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:27:06 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 29, 2024, 09:27:06 PM
Changing the director might have meant changing some of the ideas in the script, though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2024, 09:28:19 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2024, 09:28:19 PM
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 08:47:16 PMAlien Resurrection is one of those movies where it had all the elements to make a good movie, but was executed by a Director who was f**king clueless around how to handle an Alien movie.
If I could take the sets and aesthetic and keep it, but remove every Alien in the movie and redo them with decent designs, strip back the excessive KY jelly, remove every alien sound effect and replace them with something that sounds like a Xenomorph, replace half of the cast, use one of the infinitely cooler earlier newborn designs, completely redo the opening title sequence, cut back all the "jokes", replace the cgi ships with practical models, and redo the soundtrack with something that sounds like it belongs in the original trilogy... there's a good movie hidden in there somewhere... I actually enjoyed reading an earlier draft of the script and picturing it differently that what we got.
Counter argument: the director salvaged a terrible script and made something at least interesting out of Whedon's trash fire.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:32:43 PM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:32:43 PM
Counter counter argument. A fourth Alien film following the continuation of Ripley should have never even been considered, following the fact that they specifically said they had killed her off in Alien 3 in agreement with Sigourney weaver to put her story to rest.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:35:16 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:35:16 PM
Yeah which's why a film that feels like bizarro world's the only real viable avenue with that premise.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2024, 09:35:57 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 29, 2024, 09:35:57 PM
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:32:43 PMCounter counter argument. A fourth Alien film following the continuation of Ripley should have never even been considered, following the fact that they specifically said they had killed her off in Alien 3 in agreement with Sigourney weaver to put her story to rest.
I agree with you, but they did it anyway, and Jeunet turns what could have been utter doghsit into an interesting and beautiful mess.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2024, 09:42:30 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2024, 09:42:30 PM
But what about the egg on Sulaco?! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 11:09:14 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 11:09:14 PM
Regarding the cgi; I think there was some misunderstanding, I wasn't suggesting replace *all* the cgi with a guy in a suit; I'm saying (particularly in the case of the Alien films) sometimes less is more... there are indeed some cool shots as some of you have mentioned (the underwater bite was indeed cool) but I really, *really* think that whole scene needed tighter editing; there seems to be this necessity to show the alien in full; the whole reason the earlier movies work is we see shapes and movement in the darkness and our mind fills in the rest; in example - an awesome shot in 'Aliens' is the xeno leaping into the elevator with Ripley and Hicks, it works because we have this fast split-second shot of this huge thing almost tumbling through the door from the ceiling. If that scene had been in Alien resurrection, there would have 100% been a point of view shot from the elevator of a shit cgi full-
body glistening brown xeno running up the corridor towards them, followed by a mega camera zoom from the other side of the corridor to focus in on the characters expressions before it jumped in 😂 it's that kind of crap that needs to go... the underwater scene doesn't need that slow shot of two swimming xenos at all; instead Jona's scream could have cut straight to the fast moving near-miss bite and would have had more impact (and less focus on the 32-bit graphics xeno teeth 🤣) just as we didn't need the crap climbing xeno; there was a nice shot of it jumping out of the water, from there fast cut to it grabbing Christie's ankle straight from the leap, and then immediately to the nice practical close up of its face as it bares teeth.
I swear, when I have more time once my dissertation is submitted this year, I'll attempt a fan-edit to better demonstrate what I mean.. I believe there is an alright movie hidden amongst what we got, and it mostly requires leaving more on the cutting room floor... nearest example I could give in the original trilogy would be Alien 3 theatrical vs Assemblh... when Clemens is attacked, the theatrical cut 100% made the right choice to leave that awful-looking bite out..it's only a split second, but it looks cheaper for having it... I feel the same way about a lot of the cgi shots in resurrection. They aren't needed, but some snippets would really work nicely. 😊
body glistening brown xeno running up the corridor towards them, followed by a mega camera zoom from the other side of the corridor to focus in on the characters expressions before it jumped in 😂 it's that kind of crap that needs to go... the underwater scene doesn't need that slow shot of two swimming xenos at all; instead Jona's scream could have cut straight to the fast moving near-miss bite and would have had more impact (and less focus on the 32-bit graphics xeno teeth 🤣) just as we didn't need the crap climbing xeno; there was a nice shot of it jumping out of the water, from there fast cut to it grabbing Christie's ankle straight from the leap, and then immediately to the nice practical close up of its face as it bares teeth.
I swear, when I have more time once my dissertation is submitted this year, I'll attempt a fan-edit to better demonstrate what I mean.. I believe there is an alright movie hidden amongst what we got, and it mostly requires leaving more on the cutting room floor... nearest example I could give in the original trilogy would be Alien 3 theatrical vs Assemblh... when Clemens is attacked, the theatrical cut 100% made the right choice to leave that awful-looking bite out..it's only a split second, but it looks cheaper for having it... I feel the same way about a lot of the cgi shots in resurrection. They aren't needed, but some snippets would really work nicely. 😊
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 11:31:48 PM
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Mar 29, 2024, 11:31:48 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 09:25:42 PMThe Alien going up the ladder does look awful but, you are on crack, if you think changing the director or his choices might have saved that film.
It is the only thing making the script somewhat palatable.
Definitely couldn't be saved... it's a shitfest whichever way you butter it up, but I do think it can be a shitfest that can be brought more in line with some better choices. 😅
(BTW, unrelated but when you get a chance, check your PMs - I sent over a link last night that I think you and @cancerblack may enjoy 😁👍)
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 12:57:06 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 12:57:06 AM
The CGI xenos has aged poorly. I remember it was mostly good when it came out though.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 30, 2024, 05:55:13 AM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 30, 2024, 05:55:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 29, 2024, 09:42:30 PMBut what about the egg on Sulaco?! >:(
What! >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 30, 2024, 05:59:33 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 30, 2024, 05:59:33 AM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: solace97 on Mar 30, 2024, 07:02:10 AM
Post by: solace97 on Mar 30, 2024, 07:02:10 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 30, 2024, 05:59:33 AMhttps://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExa2JwMDR3bXBpdm44c3p0MHB5a3RvcGc0a2tzcDZ3dmJrb3BweTQ4YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/l2YWmJXKo7imjqhxu/giphy.gif
Imma get medieval on your ass
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:46:36 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:46:36 PM
If they had left the egg out, they could have had The Queen had two facehuggers attached to her like The Carrier Alien in AVP: Extinction (2003).
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 30, 2024, 08:53:31 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 30, 2024, 08:53:31 PM
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:46:36 PMIf they had left the egg out, they could have had The Queen had two facehuggers attached to her like The Carrier Alien in AVP (2010).
I think you mean AvP Extinction (2003)?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:54:39 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 30, 2024, 08:53:31 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:46:36 PMIf they had left the egg out, they could have had The Queen had two facehuggers attached to her like The Carrier Alien in AVP (2010).
I think you mean AvP Extinction (2003)?
Thanks, that was the one. I amended my post.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 02, 2024, 09:13:14 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 02, 2024, 09:13:14 PM
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 02, 2024, 09:59:02 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 02, 2024, 09:59:02 PM
There never will be, I'm afraid ;D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Apr 02, 2024, 10:15:26 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Apr 02, 2024, 10:15:26 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 02, 2024, 09:13:14 PMhttps://s12.gifyu.com/images/SVZvm.gif
Just a bunch of scrambled eggs. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huntsman on Apr 05, 2024, 08:35:45 AM
Post by: Huntsman on Apr 05, 2024, 08:35:45 AM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:20:28 PMAlien³ does have that feeling of waking up from dreaming something you desperately wanted, but it is just a dream, the film itself tonally feels very real overall. Opening and closing moments set aside. Aliens does seemingly partake in a degree of wish fulfilment for Ripley.Alien 3 solidifies the trilogy as a tragedy. It ends things as they should.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2024, 08:37:21 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2024, 08:37:21 AM
Would you say it's nihilistic?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 05, 2024, 08:38:06 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 05, 2024, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:46:36 PMIf they had left the egg out, they could have had The Queen had two facehuggers attached to her like The Carrier Alien in AVP: Extinction (2003).
This is how I would rewrite the start of Alien 3. And I have thought about it but I'm too lazy to do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 05, 2024, 08:43:29 AM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 05, 2024, 08:43:29 AM
Quote from: Huntsman on Apr 05, 2024, 08:35:45 AMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 29, 2024, 12:20:28 PMAlien³ does have that feeling of waking up from dreaming something you desperately wanted, but it is just a dream, the film itself tonally feels very real overall. Opening and closing moments set aside. Aliens does seemingly partake in a degree of wish fulfilment for Ripley.Alien 3 solidifies the trilogy as a tragedy. It ends things as they should.
Exactly what I think.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Huntsman on Apr 05, 2024, 08:52:13 AM
Post by: Huntsman on Apr 05, 2024, 08:52:13 AM
The Alien takes everything from Ripley. She's isolated and has nothing left to give but her life. The series is one long nightmare that ends without a happy ending. Anything she accumulated along the way (Newt) counts for nothing and become painful memories. Horror isn't just in terms of gore and shock, it's about a situation that would depress and torment you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 05, 2024, 08:55:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Apr 05, 2024, 08:55:26 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 05, 2024, 08:38:06 AMI just swapped the shot of the egg with the empty hangar in ALIENS. If I had time I'd comp in some avid and Android blood.Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:46:36 PMIf they had left the egg out, they could have had The Queen had two facehuggers attached to her like The Carrier Alien in AVP: Extinction (2003).
This is how I would rewrite the start of Alien 3. And I have thought about it but I'm too lazy to do it.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 05, 2024, 09:09:37 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 05, 2024, 09:09:37 AM
I'd envisioned close ups on the facehuggers getting out of dodge, with the action from Aliens in the background out of focus.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 09, 2024, 07:31:35 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 09, 2024, 07:31:35 PM
Leptons & quarks are behind the origin of the egg⚛️🌌
This need to be a prequel-midquel!
👀👉👈🎥🎞🎬
This need to be a prequel-midquel!
👀👉👈🎥🎞🎬
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Eal on Apr 11, 2024, 04:26:42 PM
Post by: Eal on Apr 11, 2024, 04:26:42 PM
The TV series or movie, provided they do well enough, could have a black and white "flash forward" showing this. Maybe as part of a build up or other flash forwards.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 07:50:12 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 07:50:12 PM
I actually put the egg there. There you go.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Apr 11, 2024, 08:58:23 PM
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Apr 11, 2024, 08:58:23 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 07:50:12 PMI actually put the egg there. There you go.Lies
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 09:45:44 PM
Post by: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 09:45:44 PM
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 11, 2024, 08:58:23 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 07:50:12 PMI actually put the egg there. There you go.Lies
How dare you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Apr 11, 2024, 10:42:25 PM
Post by: Thatguy2068 on Apr 11, 2024, 10:42:25 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 09:45:44 PMHow dare I dare you?Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Apr 11, 2024, 08:58:23 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 11, 2024, 07:50:12 PMI actually put the egg there. There you go.Lies
How dare you.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:06:17 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:06:17 PM
I'm obsessed with Alien 3's opening lately (always have been). I'm also wondering what's the deal with:
* the shrieking sound (when the Hicks's wound is opening) - is it the facehugger or is it something metallic?
* the liquid filling up in some kind of a tube
* the computer that's showing up some neural activity in a very weird way
* some kind of spherical object that explodes
and also it seems that the only way for a facehugger to enter the EEV would be if it actually stuck to someone's face in a cryotube (and this wasn't the case if we go by what was shown on the screen)...I'm basing this on the fact that every cryotube slid and slotted into its place on the EEV...So how could the facehugger end up being stowed away on the EEV?
* the shrieking sound (when the Hicks's wound is opening) - is it the facehugger or is it something metallic?
* the liquid filling up in some kind of a tube
* the computer that's showing up some neural activity in a very weird way
* some kind of spherical object that explodes
and also it seems that the only way for a facehugger to enter the EEV would be if it actually stuck to someone's face in a cryotube (and this wasn't the case if we go by what was shown on the screen)...I'm basing this on the fact that every cryotube slid and slotted into its place on the EEV...So how could the facehugger end up being stowed away on the EEV?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 06:10:23 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:06:17 PMand also it seems that the only way for a facehugger to enter the EEV would be if it actually stuck to someone's face in a cryotube (and this wasn't the case if we go by what was shown on the screen)...I'm basing this on the fact that every cryotube slid and slotted into its place on the EEV...So how could the facehugger end up being stowed away on the EEV?
That's why SM said it can only be on Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:15:35 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:15:35 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 06:10:23 PMIs it true that the intro was shot much later on and by a different crew? I've heard such a theory somewhere.Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:06:17 PMand also it seems that the only way for a facehugger to enter the EEV would be if it actually stuck to someone's face in a cryotube (and this wasn't the case if we go by what was shown on the screen)...I'm basing this on the fact that every cryotube slid and slotted into its place on the EEV...So how could the facehugger end up being stowed away on the EEV?
That's why SM said it can only be on Hicks.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 12, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Apr 12, 2024, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:06:17 PMI'm obsessed with Alien 3's opening lately (always have been). I'm also wondering what's the deal with:
* the shrieking sound (when the Hicks's wound is opening) - is it the facehugger or is it something metallic?
* the liquid filling up in some kind of a tube
* the computer that's showing up some neural activity in a very weird way
* some kind of spherical object that explodes
and also it seems that the only way for a facehugger to enter the EEV would be if it actually stuck to someone's face in a cryotube (and this wasn't the case if we go by what was shown on the screen)...I'm basing this on the fact that every cryotube slid and slotted into its place on the EEV...So how could the facehugger end up being stowed away on the EEV?
Quote from: Rankles75 on Apr 13, 2022, 02:23:40 PMBecause details often get mixed up in dreams.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: E. Shaw on Apr 12, 2024, 08:25:32 PM
Post by: E. Shaw on Apr 12, 2024, 08:25:32 PM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:06:17 PMI'm obsessed with Alien 3's opening lately (always have been). I'm also wondering what's the deal with:
* the shrieking sound (when the Hicks's wound is opening) - is it the facehugger or is it something metallic?
* the liquid filling up in some kind of a tube
* the computer that's showing up some neural activity in a very weird way
* some kind of spherical object that explodes
and also it seems that the only way for a facehugger to enter the EEV would be if it actually stuck to someone's face in a cryotube (and this wasn't the case if we go by what was shown on the screen)...I'm basing this on the fact that every cryotube slid and slotted into its place on the EEV...So how could the facehugger end up being stowed away on the EEV?
That is the sound of a million fans crying out and then silence.. :D
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 12, 2024, 08:52:55 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 12, 2024, 08:52:55 PM
On the production side of things yes the intro got made very much after the fact.
As for how the Facehugger got into the emergency escape vehicle?
As for how the Facehugger got into the emergency escape vehicle?
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 08:55:28 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 08:55:28 PM
First time I've ever seen that pic of the cryotube prop. Nice. Looks like the cracks in the glass are there too.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 12, 2024, 08:58:29 PM
Post by: SM on Apr 12, 2024, 08:58:29 PM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:15:35 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 06:10:23 PMIs it true that the intro was shot much later on and by a different crew? I've heard such a theory somewhere.Quote from: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 06:06:17 PMand also it seems that the only way for a facehugger to enter the EEV would be if it actually stuck to someone's face in a cryotube (and this wasn't the case if we go by what was shown on the screen)...I'm basing this on the fact that every cryotube slid and slotted into its place on the EEV...So how could the facehugger end up being stowed away on the EEV?
That's why SM said it can only be on Hicks.
Some was shot during the initial shoot. Other bits shot later.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 12, 2024, 09:00:14 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 12, 2024, 09:00:14 PM
One of note being the contentious Egg shot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 09:02:32 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 09:02:32 PM
Everyone loves that shot.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 09:07:56 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 09:07:56 PM
Is this canon?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 09:02:32 PMEveryone loves that shot.Except Fincher 😅. Even if it's fascinating, I guess it'd be better if it was not inserted into a movie at all.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 09:09:45 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 09:09:45 PM
But then this thread wouldn't exist. >:(
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 09:10:59 PM
Post by: Salt The Fries on Apr 12, 2024, 09:10:59 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 12, 2024, 09:09:45 PMBut then this thread wouldn't exist. >:(I don't know why but the opening sequence doesn't make any sense but it's at the same time an absolute masterpiece 😅
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 12, 2024, 09:12:49 PM
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 12, 2024, 09:12:49 PM
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Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SiL on Apr 12, 2024, 09:27:22 PM
Post by: SiL on Apr 12, 2024, 09:27:22 PM
Anything with the cast would be done in the main shoot (I don't think Sigourney's wearing a wig).
Huggers and eggs were later.
Huggers and eggs were later.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: SM on Apr 13, 2024, 05:35:28 AM
Post by: SM on Apr 13, 2024, 05:35:28 AM
The shot of Ripley in the cracked tube was right at the start of principal photography. First day or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Egg on Sulaco
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2024, 07:53:53 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Apr 13, 2024, 07:53:53 AM
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