THEORY
This ship
(https://www.scified.com/topics/1369034867543697.jpg)
became (part of) this building.
(https://www.scified.com/topics/2236075741164467.jpg)
These Engineers
(https://film-book.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/engineers-prometheus-01-350x164.png)
are the ones depicted here.
(https://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/head_statues.png)
Possible motive?
The ship and crew were early generation Engineers and the very first who went on a mission to seed a planet.
After their return the then outdated ship got turned into a temple/monument as a way of honouring the mission. With the giant heads added to honour the crew.
Offcouse it's possible the temple was made to resemble the ship but I could see them re-using their old ship and turning it into a temple/monument.
Because I consider the Engineers some what eco friendly and can see them recycling :)
Aside from the ship/temple theory, there's this theory about an ancient civilization that send out 7 enlighted ones to create new societies. And there's 7 Engineers in the group picture, not counting the sacrificial one. So it could've been some kind of inspiration.
Got it from The Missing Gods (2020) documentary. It's mostly theoreticat but still interesting.
The ship from the start of Prometheus is teardrop shaped.
True.
But from this angle I could imagine it being the foundation or part of a building.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2FIMG_2023.PNG&hash=9afa14e27d88fb2a0dc354ffbb45c432b269dd70)
And to me it'd make sense if it landed horizontal on some pillar shaped objects.
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2021, 05:40:58 AM
The ship from the start of Prometheus is teardrop shaped.
/thread.
The top of the building it's a dome.
(https://i.ibb.co/M7Y1g35/hall-of-heads-room.jpg)
The Engineer Lost Tribe ship in Prometheus is a drop-shaped object.
(https://i.ibb.co/SmGqRj0/engineer-tear-drop-ship-leaving.jpg)
...That or :-\
(https://i.ibb.co/5MWpZFg/Almendranaturalcascara-1024x1024.png)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 20, 2021, 03:26:13 PM
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2021, 05:40:58 AM
The ship from the start of Prometheus is teardrop shaped.
/thread.
Fair enough for my ship-turned-temple theory. But that's only half.
What about the Engineers?
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 20, 2021, 04:24:51 PM...
An advanced society can't make architectural changes to an object?
I mean, I guess there's nothing saying those particular Engineers can't be the ones represented in the Hall of Heads in Covenant, but I don't think there's anything that really implies that to be the case, either (especially since those Engineers were, after all, cut from Prometheus).
I'd imagine that it is fairly likely, but not guaranteed, that head on display in Prometheus is a depiction of the Engineer that seeded Earth, since it was Earth's star map that showed humanity the location of LV-223 - so imagining that other Engineers head statues that exist on installations throughout the galaxy represent the "seeders" of other worlds isn't too wide of a stretch.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
I mean, I guess there's nothing saying those particular Engineers can't be the ones represented in the Hall of Heads in Covenant, but I don't think there's anything that really implies that to be the case, either (especially since those Engineers were, after all, cut from Prometheus).
Yeah, no implication. I'm just theorizing (or whatever the right verb).
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
I'd imagine that it is fairly likely, but not guaranteed, that head on display in Prometheus is a depiction of the Engineer that seeded Earth, since it was Earth's star map that showed humanity the location of LV-223 - so imagining that other Engineers head statues that exist on installations throughout the galaxy represent the "seeders" of other worlds isn't too wide of a stretch.
He sure looks like the sacrificial Engineer.
On the other hand, it's a biological weapons facility so maybe it's a destroyer of worlds instead of a seeder.
Or it represents their military leader. Kinda like how pharaohs and military dictators have big statues of themselves to remind their civilians who's boss.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
I'd imagine that it is fairly likely, but not guaranteed, that head on display in Prometheus is a depiction of the Engineer that seeded Earth, since it was Earth's star map that showed humanity the location of LV-223 - so imagining that other Engineers head statues that exist on installations throughout the galaxy represent the "seeders" of other worlds isn't too wide of a stretch.
Although we don't see them, there are supposed to be two heads per pyramid, and there were a lot of pyramids. I think we'd have to see more of the LV-223 ones to say much of anything, although:
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Mar 20, 2021, 07:21:34 PM
Or it represents their military leader. Kinda like how pharaohs and military dictators have big statues of themselves to remind their civilians who's boss.
I do remember something being mentioned about Mussolini when Prometheus was in production, and there's a passing resemblance in the Prometheus head.
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Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Mar 20, 2021, 07:21:34 PM
Or it represents their military leader. Kinda like how pharaohs and military dictators have big statues of themselves to remind their civilians who's boss.
I do remember something being mentioned about Mussolini when Prometheus was in production, and there's a passing resemblance in the Prometheus head.
Oh..my..gosh :o I can't unsee now.
(https://i.ibb.co/ZzkJM8y/images-6.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/58j07hX/Eingeschr-nkte-Rechte-f-r-bestimmte-redaktionelle-Kunden-in-Deutschland-Limited-rights-for-specific.jpg)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 20, 2021, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
I'd imagine that it is fairly likely, but not guaranteed, that head on display in Prometheus is a depiction of the Engineer that seeded Earth, since it was Earth's star map that showed humanity the location of LV-223 - so imagining that other Engineers head statues that exist on installations throughout the galaxy represent the "seeders" of other worlds isn't too wide of a stretch.
Although we don't see them, there are supposed to be two heads per pyramid, and there were a lot of pyramids. I think we'd have to see more of the LV-223 ones to say much of anything, although:
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Mar 20, 2021, 07:21:34 PM
Or it represents their military leader. Kinda like how pharaohs and military dictators have big statues of themselves to remind their civilians who's boss.
I do remember something being mentioned about Mussolini when Prometheus was in production, and there's a passing resemblance in the Prometheus head.
Yep!
The head also has inscriptions on the cheeks. I saw the same on an Egyptian statue in documentary. But I can't find the image.
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/40sbG.jpg)
The walls look like
Spoiler
dreads
tihi
Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/Ws8pxYm/5e02c7cfaabfaf9b646dde3cce1b6a45.jpg)
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 21, 2021, 01:32:42 AM
The walls look like
Spoiler
dreads
tihi
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 21, 2021, 01:43:03 AM
Spoiler
(https://i.ibb.co/Ws8pxYm/5e02c7cfaabfaf9b646dde3cce1b6a45.jpg)
Prommy walls always made me think of Gigers New York series.
(https://d32dm0rphc51dk.cloudfront.net/46LdCnBo4TXLyzfJCFkAyw/large.jpg)
Which always reminded me of the Spacing Guild heighliner's control room (or vice versa):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHf8aoR8_Bs (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHf8aoR8_Bs)
(I don't know what movie that is from)
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 21, 2021, 10:16:01 PM
(I don't know what movie that is from)
David Lynch's
Eraserhead, of course.
The black-and-white movie. Of course!
Quote from: kwisatz on Mar 21, 2021, 11:59:19 PM
The black-and-white movie. Of course!
Didn't you know,
Alien's chestburster was stolen from it!?! ;)
Ja, I heard Lynch walks out of interviews when asked about the chestburster.
Now I'm wondering about the teardrop ship. What else could've happened to it?
Would also be cool if they went on another seeding mission that went wrong and the ship became another derelict.
But this one carries the creation goo from the beginning of Prometheus (not the pathogen) instead of an egg or something.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Mar 26, 2021, 05:30:04 AM
Now I'm wondering about the teardrop ship. What else could've happened to it?
It went back to an outpost we can assume exists via inference and context but which does not need or want to be explicitly defined, because nobody will do it justice.
Quote from: [cancerblackIt went back to an outpost we can assume exists via inference and context
Or did something else happen to them? Dun, dun, duuuun!!!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 26, 2021, 07:51:13 AMbut which does not need or want to be explicitly defined, because nobody will do it justice.
True. Brings us to debate of "If they made us, who made them?", which is a bottomless rabbit hole.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Mar 26, 2021, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: [cancerblackIt went back to an outpost we can assume exists via inference and context
Or did something else happen to them? Dun, dun, duuuun!!!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 26, 2021, 07:51:13 AMbut which does not need or want to be explicitly defined, because nobody will do it justice.
True. Brings us to debate of "If they made us, who made them?", which is a bottomless rabbit hole.
I don't really like the word but these Engineers looked a lot like Zen monks, or high space priests, in contrast to the Juggernaut pilots who look more like warriors. But even so, there is a gap of billions of years between the seeders and the destroyers. Still, it's cool to think that what we call Space Jockeys are just one faction of an even larger culture or society. But no one could do justice to that. The mystery makes the concept greater.
In fact, even if the Space Jockeys hadn't been turned into ancient humanity, I still find it fascinating to think of them as the soldiers of an even larger social organism (so to speak), which doesn't need to be explained. Although references do not bother me, as the original Jockey in Alien was once. It wasn't relevant to the story, but its design is so f**king cool, and so perfectly compatible with the atmosphere, that you get excited to speculate about it.
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Mar 26, 2021, 05:30:04 AM
Now I'm wondering about the teardrop ship. What else could've happened to it?
Would also be cool if they went on another seeding mission that went wrong and the ship became another derelict.
But this one carries the creation goo from the beginning of Prometheus (not the pathogen) instead of an egg or something.
A "seed" ship that resembles a seed
(https://cdn3.volusion.com/kalng.kxgpu/v/vspfiles/photos/FSS16657-3T.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 27, 2021, 09:00:56 PMI don't really like the word but these Engineers looked a lot like Zen monks, or high space priests
Makes sense to me as they got a spiritual/religious vibe to them. I consider them to be "The Elders".
Perhaps they were the first of their kind. Or maybe even the last. Who fled their homeworld for whatever reasons and set out to start find a new home and/or seed new worlds.
I know you're a skeptic but you still might enjoy this documentary which mentions similar events taking place on Earth.
I take it with a grain of salt because I don't know if what the man says is true, and I'm too lazy to research and check everyting ;D
But it doesn't make it less interesting.
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 12:45:35 AM
A "seed" ship that resembles a seed
https://cdn3.volusion.com/kalng.kxgpu/v/vspfiles/photos/FSS16657-3T.jpg
I like the idea. Would be something cool though if you had a bio-mech ship that implants itself in a planet.
It's a frequent trope in science fiction that also frequently brings interest to the story.
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 28, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
It's a frequent trope in science fiction that also frequently brings interest to the story.
If only done right... :-[
I'd love a proper alien astronaut/Chariots Of The Gods type movie.
Also, I like your seed shaped ship idea. Forgot to reply so edited my previous post.
Interesting. 🤔
Quote from: Baron Von Marlon on Mar 29, 2021, 07:05:46 AM
I'd love a proper alien astronaut/Chariots Of The Gods type movie.
Ye gods, I remember back when CotG came to theaters. I wasn't familiar with Von Daniken or his book, but it was a trippy concept. Thanks for that quick trip down the way-back rabbit hole! ;D
Just saw it's on Prime, so I'll give it a watch...
Was looking for a certain picture and saw this. Perhaps I saw a similar one in the past and unknowingly that's what lead me to the ship-turned-temple idea.
(https://i.imgflip.com/4e0d5h.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 30, 2021, 03:48:26 AM
Interesting. 🤔
Is that a genuin interesting I got from you? ;D
Quote from: The_Nostromo_Files on Mar 30, 2021, 05:47:24 PM
Just saw it's on Prime, so I'll give it a watch...
I think The Phenomenon (2020) is also on Prime. Excellent documentary on UFOs.
After watching this, I find it hard not to believe in whatever these things might be.
But I'm probably biased as "I want to believe...".