Wanted to start a thread collecting all reviews so far
I'd also appreciate it if AvP Galaxy members post their reviews and synopses here in the future. Please also feel free to link comic book website reviews of the Fire and Stone here.
We have these so far (thanks to Ultramorph):
Prometheus #1 Comicbookbin (http://www.comicbookbin.com/Review_Prometheus_Fire_and_Stone_001.html)
Prometheus #1 Whatchareading (http://whatchareading.com/previewreview-prometheus-fire-stone-1-sale-91014/)
Prometheus #1 Skeletonpete (http://skeletonpete.com/tag/prometheus-1/)
Prometheus #1 Famousmonsters (http://famousmonsters.com/archives/14128)
Prometheus #1 Thisisanothercastle (http://thisisanothercastle.com/2014/09/04/prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-review-rocky-start-to-an-intriguing-crossover-014yub845732/)
OK, so I know I'm going to get rapped in the mouth for this, but...
Is there an Aliens: Fire and Stone, AvP Fire and Stone and Prometheus: Fire and Stone.
Or is there just "Fire and Stone#1" - I'm looking at the DH website now, and I can see all sorts of #1s is all..
Quote from: Russ on Sep 09, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
OK, so I know I'm going to get rapped in the mouth for this, but...
Is there an Aliens: Fire and Stone, AvP Fire and Stone and Prometheus: Fire and Stone.
Or is there just "Fire and Stone#1" - I'm looking at the DH website now, and I can see all sorts of #1s is all..
As long as there are two Ps, we're good. ;)
There are multiple minis. Prometheus: Fire and Stone, Aliens: Fire and Stone, Predator: Fire and Stone, and AVP: Fire and Stone. Each mini is numbered 1 to 4. Crossover City.
Nice one, UA - much appreciated.
Nice idea for a thread, happypred!
There's also a few more reviews that have gone up:
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/09/03/is-it-good-prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-review/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/09/03/is-it-good-prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-review/) (8/10)
and the spoiler-filled
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4248-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-1 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4248-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-1)
Unleash the Fanboy has a 7.5/10 review, too.
http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/reviews-comics/indie-reviews-comics/prometheus-fire-stone-1-review/117861 (http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/comics/reviews-comics/indie-reviews-comics/prometheus-fire-stone-1-review/117861)
Rhymes With Geek gave it an 8/10.
http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com/prometheus-fire-stone-1-rwg-reviews/ (http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com/prometheus-fire-stone-1-rwg-reviews/)
I just saw that TFAW has charged my account, and will be shipping issue #1 probably tomorrow. After a year of waiting, this is definitely cool, even if shipping costs suck. :)
Also, two small, spoiler-free reviews, both positive.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/09/10/joint-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-of-4-dark-horse/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/09/10/joint-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-of-4-dark-horse/)
From everything I've read it seems...
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That this issue gets better in the second half, and that the first half is a bit burdened by having to introduce all the characters. I'm fine with that, as that's exactly what we should have expected from the first issue of such a big series.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 09, 2014, 11:17:11 AM
Nice idea for a thread, happypred!
Thanks, I'm hoping we'll link reviews and share our own reviews here, hopefully for every issue of Fire and Stone
http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dark-horse-comics/prometheus-fire-and-stone/1 (http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dark-horse-comics/prometheus-fire-and-stone/1)
Should be out today. :) I'm gonna go pick up my copy tomorrow after work. I'm trying to avoid the reviews for the moment.
More Prometheus #1 reviews
https://www.nerdist.com/2014/09/comic-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-1/ (https://www.nerdist.com/2014/09/comic-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-1/)
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3312039/5-skull-comic-book-review-prometheus-fire-stone-1-fulfills-unrealistically-high-expectations/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3312039/5-skull-comic-book-review-prometheus-fire-stone-1-fulfills-unrealistically-high-expectations/)
http://www.comicvine.com/reviews/prometheus-fire-and-stone-1/1900-3425/ (http://www.comicvine.com/reviews/prometheus-fire-and-stone-1/1900-3425/)
http://talkingcomicbooks.com/2014/09/10/prometheus-fire-stone-1-review/ (http://talkingcomicbooks.com/2014/09/10/prometheus-fire-stone-1-review/)
http://www.ismellsheep.com/2014/09/comic-review-arc-prometheus-fire-and.html (http://www.ismellsheep.com/2014/09/comic-review-arc-prometheus-fire-and.html)
http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1840/prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-review-roundup (http://www.darkhorse.com/Blog/1840/prometheus-fire-and-stone-1-review-roundup)
ok my thoughts & review, SPOILERS
PROMETHEUS - FIRE & STONE #1
- wow this takes place over two hundred years after prometheus ???
- cast all seems likable
- faces are well drawn, realistic, was worried we would get some more cartoony faces like most of the recent idw godzilla comics, good subtle changes in expressions, without the character looking like a new person.
- metal everywhere, likely reefering to the underground base that the engineers ships emerged from in the film
- jungle... i like this, the oil is growing a world like it did on earth, a complaint some had about the film was that was a plot hole that this black oil was used for VERY different thing with many different results, i like that they are flat out making that in continuity that the oil is chaotic and can do a mass variety of things
- the alien monkey is bad freaking ass, would love to see larger versions of em fighting the xenos
- GOD DAMN IT enough with the planet confusion make up your damn minds!
- ok so the xeno's where looose at some point, to have killed the cattle like aliens, so... some one had to lock them back in the hope.
- speaking of which DEM XENOS look awesome by this artist! ;D
- wait... WAIT... are the xenos from 426? and came here on the hope? or did they evolve from the deacon?
great issue, great art with a lush range of imagery, both organic and industrial landscapes look great by him.
still confusing at point... in a good way.. mostly
in the end im VASTLY more hyped for these series after this issue than i was prior to it, which is a very good thing. (and i was pretty damn hyped to begin with so thats saying something)
I enjoyed issue 1. Nice art and sets things up nicely and the pacing is nice and slow. Looking forward to #2. I just wish the art for the rest of the series will be this good.
The art seemed good, but the story made me cringe. I wonder why they're wearing the space helmets from Prometheus .
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Sep 11, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
The art seemed good, but the story made me cringe. I wonder why they're wearing the space helmets from Prometheus .
They reused a lot of art from the original issue #1 (when the story was set immediately after the film), which was finished before Fox made them rewrite the story, hence the old suits. A bit lazy, but studio interference is a bear.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 11, 2014, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Sep 11, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
The art seemed good, but the story made me cringe. I wonder why they're wearing the space helmets from Prometheus .
They reused a lot of art from the original issue #1 (when the story was set immediately after the film), which was finished before Fox made them rewrite the story, hence the old suits. A bit lazy, but studio interference is a bear.
well, it might have helped if they set it back then. I was wondering if they had a clue which year it was supposed to be set. And their space ship looks a bit inspired by the Prometheus as well. So there was an original #1. hmm
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Sep 11, 2014, 11:06:21 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 11, 2014, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Sep 11, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
The art seemed good, but the story made me cringe. I wonder why they're wearing the space helmets from Prometheus .
They reused a lot of art from the original issue #1 (when the story was set immediately after the film), which was finished before Fox made them rewrite the story, hence the old suits. A bit lazy, but studio interference is a bear.
well, it might have helped if they set it back then. I was wondering if they had a clue which year it was supposed to be set. And their space ship looks a bit inspired by the Prometheus as well. So there was an original #1. hmm
Despite all these inconsistencies (especially the location/moon confusion in this issue) I thought the story set up an adventure that may potentially be more Lovecraftian (AtMoM specifically) than the film it's based upon
Quote from: orchidal on Sep 12, 2014, 12:03:37 AM
Despite all these inconsistencies (especially the location/moon confusion in this issue) I thought the story set up an adventure that may potentially be more Lovecraftian (AtMoM specifically) than the film it's based upon
Well, I dread to think what next actually, with all these Fox representives telling them that they can't have this and this without that and this meaning that they have to move it further into the future by 129 years or whatever to turn it into Aliens meets Prometheus
I got Prometheus #1 in digital format
The art is solid, very good...but not incredible as some reviewers have been claiming. I do like the style though and I don't think it's that different from Roger Robinson's style (Civilised Beasts)
The story takes place over 120 years after the events of the movie. It's mentioned that most people believe that Weyland died on Earth. This isn't elaborated any further.
This begs the questions...
Was the rest of the Company ignorant of Weyland's mission?
Did Weyland fake his own death before even undertaking the mission? This would make sense if he didn't want people to know of his participation in the mission.
Has LV-223 had no contact with the Company since the end of Weyland's mission? Has the Company been completely in the dark all this time? Perhaps the Company has been doing things on LV-223?
120+ years is a long time and I want this issue to be addressed.
What are the relative positions of LV-223 and LV-426? Are they orbiting the same planet or do they orbit different planets orbiting the same star?
As has been mentioned in previous reviews, the first issue is mainly dedicated to introducing the characters. Clara, Angela, Galgo, Francis, Elden, and blonde guy with glasses form the core cast. A few other names are thrown around but I don't think the other crew members will have major roles to play. No action in this issue but it ends with a massive cliffhanger...which I think alien fans should like.
Spoilers and my theories:
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- There's been a jungle on LV-223 for quite a while.
- There are aliens on LV-223. They've apparently made their lair in an escape vessel from Hadley's Hope (connected to Aliens Fire and Stone)
- However, I'm fairly certain they haven't been trapped in the ship (i.e. they've been roaming about, reproducing).
- Captain Angela Foster is trying to open a door into the grounded vessel. The aliens lurk on the other side. I believe the aliens have other ways of ingress and egress. Thus, I don't believe she'd be "releasing" the aliens even if she manages to open the door. She'd only be immediately exposing herself and her crew to them.
- I believe the Hadley vessel crashed a number of years before Angela and her crew arrive
- Perhaps the predators have been visiting LV-223 during this 120+ year period
- Numerous large quadrupedal alien beasts are found butchered. Most likely the aliens' work...but perhaps the work of deacons or predators?
All the character intros are fairly painful throughout the first half, but it gets interesting once they land.
The design style is too much of a throwback to Prometheus though, and doesn't make much sense what with it being set 40 years after Aliens/ Alien3.
I wasn't too fond of the documentary frame but it served as a straightforward way to introduce the major characters
I'm looking forward to further development of Angela, Clara, and Galgo. Neither Francis nor Elden pique my interest. Elden doesn't have sh*t on David. He has a very bland, boring face IMO and less personality. Fassbender is a great actor.
Blonde guy with glasses annoys me for some reason. He's like the dorky guy in War/TWW [Ellis?]. Can't wait to see him die horribly
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Oh and apparently there's an active engineer on LV-223 in 2090
Leaving work early today xD Hoping to go pick them up if they're in the shop. ;D
* Art is great. Aliens look beautiful and atmospheric.
* Character introductions are... Yeah... What SM said. Everyone keeps smiling/joking too f**king much. It's sort of making me dislike the entire cast. The first of the AVP films at least managed to strike that venturing-into-here-be-dragons-territory atmosphere more or less right, by harking back to the Nostromo crew's sense of foreboding wonder. This should've been the same.
* Rather bizarre missed opportunity for how the story commences. Would have been more interesting if it was a case of a something like a ship wanting to detour and take a chance on an old rumour about the Prometheus' last location or a salvage craft Weyland-Yutani sent to investigate purely out of curiosity. Instead, there's one character who's running the expedition, keeping everyone in the dark (for no apparent reason) and who comes across with this very Mary Sue explanation of I've-figured-out-everything-and-am-verging-on-Alex-Jones-territory-but-am-totally-trusted-to-run-a-starship. The art is keeping me interested, but this motivation makes it difficult for me to take the cast seriously. How did this individual gain funding and recruitment if it's also being made clear the mission's operating under company jurisdiction?
* Interesting twist in the tail, but they'd better have a damned good explanation for such a striking coincidence. It's the kind of thing I'd have expected to read as a revelation in a poorly thought-through fan script.
* Spacesuits not having advanced in all those years... Heh. Yeah, not very believable... Again, the art sells it, but a part of your mind is going, "Whaaaaat...?" Could have done with a panel with some Parker-like bitching about having to make do with old out-dated shit.
* Needing permission to take samples of potential lethal pathogens through quarantine is laughed off as a joke? Poking around black ooze without any real safety precautions? Not taking any samples from the dead ET wildlife? Not being able to detect a huge jungle from orbit while scanning right next to its location for somewhere to land? OK, this crew is getting dangerously close to being as inept as the Prometheus personnel were.
Over all, I'm intrigued, but not wowed. The art is the real selling point, not, so far, the characters or story they are featuring in.
Read this the other day. The story seems intriguing enough and the art is impressive, however, like Prometheus there are some logical fallacies. As other have pointed out, why are the using the same suits and tech as a ship that's 100 years old? Also, if the engineer was awake shortly before the Prometheus mission and smashed the recon probe, why did he not travel to earth or leave the planet then?
I'm REALLY digging the story, the ending leaves me wanting more; it's nice that the writers are actually collaborating together to publish a smooth storyline, and it shows.
So I read this yesterday and loved it - not without some faults, but:
*Gorgeous artwork. It's a shame we usually lack this so much that it was one of the first things to really make me smile.
* In regards to the suits - yeah, it's a shame we're some hundred years into the future and they're still using Prometheus-style suits. I think it's more for style to suit the Prometheus story but yeah...I get the issue.
*I liked the documentary thing - but then I'm a sucker for terrible found-footage stuff. :P Characters are too friendly with each other but I think that's too off-set how they seem to be due to turn on each other soon.
*I think the ending is going to be red-haring. It'll be to segway into the Aliens series starting next week. I think our attention should be on the Engineer in the opening. I could be compeltely wrong, of course, but just a feeling.
My copy finally came in the mail today, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It got me so much in the Space Jockey/ancient aliens mood that I even re-read
Apocalypse-The Destroying Angels and
Predator: Homeworld afterwards! It's not really relevant, but I found myself enjoying
Apocalypse much more than when I first read it back before Prometheus hits theaters, and
Homeworld will always be one of my favorite Predator stories. :) My more spoiler-y thoughts on Prometheus #1 are below.
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It has been quite a long time coming since Dark Horse announced this whole event last October, and after being underwhelmed by Sea of Sorrows in July, I was ready to be disappointed by Fire and Stone, as well.
Happily, I found this issue to be a very strong opening. Most reviews I've seen have said that the character introductions are clunky or take too long, but the documentary framing device made it seem natural, and I think it introduced everyone much more effectively and organically than things like Aliens: Xenogenesis #1. I also like most of the characters so far, and I'm definitely getting the sense that Galgo's "I would never turn a gun on a friend" spiel is going to be proven wrong in a big way soon enough.
I'm also intrigued by Elden, and hope they delve into what separates synthetics from "constructs." It will definitely be interesting to watch Francis go down the Dr. Frankenstein route, too.
As far as the art, it's sort of hard to pin it down, but the art looks immensely better in person than it does online. The color palette works well for the setting, and it is so refreshing to see two-page spreads done well. Ferreyra is also doing a great job on creature duty, and I'm looking forward to seeing more, especially of the "monkeys." His xenos looked awesome, as well.
As far as the story, I'm looking forward to how the opening set in 2090 plays into all this, and to how they plan on explaining the 125-year gap before anyone goes looking for Weyland. I also have my fingers crossed that we'll see what became of the Deacon. I agree with Corporal Hicks that the ending was mostly a teaser for Aliens #1.
Overall, Fire and Stone is off to a good start, and is already, in my subjective opinion, showing more promise than the '09/'10 series did.
Some more potential continuity issues - Weyland sent a probe to LV-223 in 2090 - the year following the submission from Shaw and Holloway, yet the planet is over 2 years travel from Earth at that time (maybe it was sent from somewhere closer). And speaking of 2 years travel - Zeta 2 Reticuli is 3 weeks from Earth in 2179. In 2219 they've been asleep 2 years to get there?
The whole tone of the piece owes more to Prometheus where space travel seems to be novel, than the greater story where space travel is commonplace.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 13, 2014, 08:51:38 PM
*I think the ending is going to be red-haring. It'll be to segway into the Aliens series starting next week. I think our attention should be on the Engineer in the opening. I could be compeltely wrong, of course, but just a feeling.
My biggest fear is that
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the captain's code will end up not opening the door at all at which point the character says "Damn my code's not working, time to forget we ever found the ship from LV-426 in the first place." I get why the writers may not want Aliens in a Prometheus comic, but if you're going to have an entire plot element, let alone a cliffhanger, in the story then it better not be a cheap marketing scheme that will inevitably have a disappointing plot ending. Normally I'd say no writer is that self-centered to do something like this but considering what we've gotten in recent years, this has actually become a frighteningly nightmarish possibility for me.
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Can anyone with a physical copy tell me what page the panel with the Aliens is on?
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The last one. Well and the second last one too. Panel is over two pages.
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2014, 02:24:06 AM
Some more potential continuity issues - Weyland sent a probe to LV-223 in 2090 - the year following the submission from Shaw and Holloway, yet the planet is over 2 years travel from Earth at that time (maybe it was sent from somewhere closer). And speaking of 2 years travel - Zeta 2 Reticuli is 3 weeks from Earth in 2179. In 2219 they've been asleep 2 years to get there?
The whole tone of the piece owes more to Prometheus where space travel seems to be novel, than the greater story where space travel is commonplace.
Such shoddy errors really when you think how many hundreds of hours they must have spent in research and planning this out in the writing room. Even with the Fox mandate to start over, things like this should have been rectified.
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2014, 08:31:51 AM
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The last one. Well and the second last one too. Panel is over two pages.
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Sorry, I meant the number of the page.
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Thought you might, but there's no page numbers.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Sep 14, 2014, 09:40:14 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 14, 2014, 02:24:06 AM
Some more potential continuity issues - Weyland sent a probe to LV-223 in 2090 - the year following the submission from Shaw and Holloway, yet the planet is over 2 years travel from Earth at that time (maybe it was sent from somewhere closer). And speaking of 2 years travel - Zeta 2 Reticuli is 3 weeks from Earth in 2179. In 2219 they've been asleep 2 years to get there?
The whole tone of the piece owes more to Prometheus where space travel seems to be novel, than the greater story where space travel is commonplace.
Such shoddy errors really when you think how many hundreds of hours they must have spent in research and planning this out in the writing room. Even with the Fox mandate to start over, things like this should have been rectified.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt till the story plays out.
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Was this already pointed out?
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I guessed Onager was the name of the ship and it was going to pop up in another series - but that confirms it.
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You guys might want to read the AVP preview again. Lots of spoilers in it.
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You guys might want to read the AVP preview again. Lots of spoilers in it.
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Most definitely spoilerific, though I'm not sure the last one is the same two characters, as I doubt they would spoil that character's fate.
Anyone looking for more spoilers need only read the last few sets of DH's solicitations. They're up to Prometheus and Alien #4 and Predator and AvP #3, and there's some stuff in there that indicates the direction things will go.
All this really makes me question the wisdom of releasing the comics in the order they are. AvP #1 comes out before Prometheus #2, and is sure to spoil at least some of what happens in that series.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Sep 14, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 14, 2014, 11:26:25 PM
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You guys might want to read the AVP preview again. Lots of spoilers in it.
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Most definitely spoilerific, though I'm not sure the last one is the same two characters, as I doubt they would spoil that character's fate.
Anyone looking for more spoilers need only read the last few sets of DH's solicitations. They're up to Prometheus and Alien #4 and Predator and AvP #3, and there's some stuff in there that indicates the direction thins will go.
All this really makes me question the wisdom of releasing the comics in the order they are. AvP #1 comes out before Prometheus #2, and is sure to spoil at least some of what happens in that series.
Wow, I didn't even know about the solicitations. So many spoilers...
Wot?
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Quote from: Quarax on Sep 15, 2014, 12:03:05 AM
Wot?
Spoiler
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That is most definitely going to be an interesting issue. I like the art, but I do hope it doesn't wind up being just a stupid thing that happens.
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 15, 2014, 12:03:05 AM
Wot?
Spoiler
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wot indeedSo this whole project is one issue in, right? Never really been into A/P comics, so I haven't been following it. Was the first issue any good? Most of the art seems pretty nice (even the strange as hell things like that
thing in the spoiler tag). And what's "Omega?"
Here's all the solicitations (minus taglines):
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FFireAndStone-Aliens-1-9ab51.jpg&hash=a511367fe720dd8c9e744f5a7462f83595f2c7a3)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #1 (of 4)
During a vicious xenomorph outbreak, terraforming engineer Derrick Russell leads a desperate group of survivors onto a rickety mining vessel. They hope to escape the creatures overrunning their colony -- but they'll face horrors both in space and on the strange planet they crash on. Ties in with the Prometheus and Aliens films!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPMTFS-2-FC-FNL-74fdf.jpg&hash=6496cde9e78802e8f4027cfef18f96e4943caa2b)
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
After landing on LV-223, a recovery crew uncovers the fate of the Prometheus's doomed mission—and a horror unlike anything known to man!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPRFS-1-FC-FNL-3db58.jpg&hash=58f238001a03507ce976d08f7fda529846421c32)
Predator: Fire and Stone #1 (of 4)
As the Perses begins her long journey home, a deadly stowaway forces the crew into a savage conflict! While the crew defend themselves against this unseen predator, the hunter itself stalks a much more substantial game!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FAVPFS-1-FC-FNL-1450b.jpg&hash=b22fd0f1dfa96468a6ea633b8063e6e97bf4cede)
Alien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #1 (of 4)
As the mercenary crew of the Perses leave the horror of LV-223 behind them, one passenger reveals a terrible new danger, and the crew soon find themselves in a deadly struggle between predator and prey!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FALFS-2-FC-FNL-e7c6f.jpg&hash=44ae75073003168bafdfcf468cd0cdf0cfd4c5d6)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
After crashing their clunky mining ship on a strange planet, a group of human survivors face both xenomorph attacks and friction among themselves—which could spell doom for everyone! The stranded and desperate group has a single chance: one of their scientists, who seeks the key to their freedom.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPrometheusFireAndStone-3-615c7.jpg&hash=96152299977188fdd7638c9f81a1be112dd46d15)
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Chaos breaks loose when a member of the Prometheus's recovery team is exposed to the dangerous and mysterious genetic accelerant! Now, with the crew divided and hope for survival fleeting, a terrifying discovery offers a glimpse into the fate of the Prometheus . . . and the colony on LV-426!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPredatorFireAndStone-2-43400.jpg&hash=0501c45163a42a9ea3719680b1b8ff3aa83ceeb4)
Predator: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
After the mayhem and terror of Weyland-Yutani's disastrous mission to the site of the Prometheus, Galgo's troubles continue when his ship is shanghaied by a Predator stowaway! Its obsession with a mysterious, deadly quarry sends them to the last place in the universe Galgo'd like to revisit—the Xeno-infested LV-223!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FAvPFireAndStone-2-28b81.jpg&hash=4e67801521b47b9849fb0751b3f8285e9b46c8df)
Alien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
A terminally ill scientist's desperate experiment yields deadly results, and offers the Predators a chance to hunt an invincible new game!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FAliensFireAndStone-3-1e8ec.jpg&hash=f4e85b4c2281534f94fe68fc5cb074aeb0fbc2ce)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
With their numbers dwindling and hopes for rescue fading, the desperate survivors on the strange planet known as LV-223 fight among themselves. A lone scientist may hold the key to their freedom, though—if everyone can live long enough to hear him out! Ties in with the Prometheus and Aliens films!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPROMETHEUS-FAS-4-0e2f0.jpg&hash=a44001773e4a3c0e05b825e6db8d196066e96287)
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Casualties rise as the Prometheus's recovery team find themselves trapped between an unrelenting alien horde, a ruthless Engineer, and a vengeful victim of the mysterious accelerant!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPREDATOR-FAS-3-64f6e.jpg&hash=67f01543305ff6ecdfa90c13f662245e1bbfb3c7)
Predator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Back among the crewmates he betrayed in Prometheus, Galgo must watch over both shoulders, as his former allies want him to pay, and the Predator that holds him captive wants something far more terrible!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FALIEN-VS-PRED-FAS-3-dbdb2.jpg&hash=3b5f90c89448f0f8639c1c3b45a611832cc4e3b8)
Alien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
When a Predator is exposed to a mysterious genetic accelerant, the rest of the hunting party is put in unforeseen peril. And as the android Elden continues his violent evolution, his xenomorph allies reject him from the hive.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FALIEN-FAS-4-5fd03.jpg&hash=1b854a36fdc91239e8701aa83ffba7cc0679662b)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Tying in with the Prometheus and Aliens films, this tale of stranded survivors and the tenacious xenomorphs that stalk them comes to a close! Scientist Derrick Russell makes more stunning discoveries about the strange planet the Hadley's Hope refugees crashed on, while Aliens close in on him!
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 14, 2014, 11:26:25 PM
Spoiler
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That's Takahashi, a minor female character in Prometheus #1
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 15, 2014, 12:03:05 AMSpoiler
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Is that a
Spoiler
black goo empowered "super predator"
Nice
Quote from: happypred on Sep 15, 2014, 02:35:26 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 14, 2014, 11:26:25 PM
Spoiler
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That's Takahashi, a minor female character in Prometheus #1
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 15, 2014, 12:03:05 AMSpoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FALIEN-VS-PRED-FAS-3-dbdb2.jpg&hash=3b5f90c89448f0f8639c1c3b45a611832cc4e3b8)
Is that a Spoiler
black goo empowered "super predator"
Nice
Reminds me of something one would expect to see in a
PREDATOR/THE THING crossover.
It's essentially a super predator hopped up on black goo a la Fitfield...wondering if it's going to be beating xenomorphs to death with its fists or snapping their necks...some crazy shit.
Quote from: Quarax on Sep 15, 2014, 12:26:33 AM
Here's all the solicitations (minus taglines):
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FFireAndStone-Aliens-1-9ab51.jpg&hash=a511367fe720dd8c9e744f5a7462f83595f2c7a3)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #1 (of 4)
During a vicious xenomorph outbreak, terraforming engineer Derrick Russell leads a desperate group of survivors onto a rickety mining vessel. They hope to escape the creatures overrunning their colony -- but they'll face horrors both in space and on the strange planet they crash on. Ties in with the Prometheus and Aliens films!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPMTFS-2-FC-FNL-74fdf.jpg&hash=6496cde9e78802e8f4027cfef18f96e4943caa2b)
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
After landing on LV-223, a recovery crew uncovers the fate of the Prometheus's doomed mission—and a horror unlike anything known to man!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPRFS-1-FC-FNL-3db58.jpg&hash=58f238001a03507ce976d08f7fda529846421c32)
Predator: Fire and Stone #1 (of 4)
As the Perses begins her long journey home, a deadly stowaway forces the crew into a savage conflict! While the crew defend themselves against this unseen predator, the hunter itself stalks a much more substantial game!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FAVPFS-1-FC-FNL-1450b.jpg&hash=b22fd0f1dfa96468a6ea633b8063e6e97bf4cede)
Alien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #1 (of 4)
As the mercenary crew of the Perses leave the horror of LV-223 behind them, one passenger reveals a terrible new danger, and the crew soon find themselves in a deadly struggle between predator and prey!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FALFS-2-FC-FNL-e7c6f.jpg&hash=44ae75073003168bafdfcf468cd0cdf0cfd4c5d6)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
After crashing their clunky mining ship on a strange planet, a group of human survivors face both xenomorph attacks and friction among themselves—which could spell doom for everyone! The stranded and desperate group has a single chance: one of their scientists, who seeks the key to their freedom.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPrometheusFireAndStone-3-615c7.jpg&hash=96152299977188fdd7638c9f81a1be112dd46d15)
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Chaos breaks loose when a member of the Prometheus's recovery team is exposed to the dangerous and mysterious genetic accelerant! Now, with the crew divided and hope for survival fleeting, a terrifying discovery offers a glimpse into the fate of the Prometheus . . . and the colony on LV-426!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPredatorFireAndStone-2-43400.jpg&hash=0501c45163a42a9ea3719680b1b8ff3aa83ceeb4)
Predator: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
After the mayhem and terror of Weyland-Yutani's disastrous mission to the site of the Prometheus, Galgo's troubles continue when his ship is shanghaied by a Predator stowaway! Its obsession with a mysterious, deadly quarry sends them to the last place in the universe Galgo'd like to revisit—the Xeno-infested LV-223!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FAvPFireAndStone-2-28b81.jpg&hash=4e67801521b47b9849fb0751b3f8285e9b46c8df)
Alien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #2 (of 4)
A terminally ill scientist's desperate experiment yields deadly results, and offers the Predators a chance to hunt an invincible new game!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FAliensFireAndStone-3-1e8ec.jpg&hash=f4e85b4c2281534f94fe68fc5cb074aeb0fbc2ce)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
With their numbers dwindling and hopes for rescue fading, the desperate survivors on the strange planet known as LV-223 fight among themselves. A lone scientist may hold the key to their freedom, though—if everyone can live long enough to hear him out! Ties in with the Prometheus and Aliens films!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPROMETHEUS-FAS-4-0e2f0.jpg&hash=a44001773e4a3c0e05b825e6db8d196066e96287)
Prometheus: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Casualties rise as the Prometheus's recovery team find themselves trapped between an unrelenting alien horde, a ruthless Engineer, and a vengeful victim of the mysterious accelerant!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FPREDATOR-FAS-3-64f6e.jpg&hash=67f01543305ff6ecdfa90c13f662245e1bbfb3c7)
Predator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
Back among the crewmates he betrayed in Prometheus, Galgo must watch over both shoulders, as his former allies want him to pay, and the Predator that holds him captive wants something far more terrible!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FALIEN-VS-PRED-FAS-3-dbdb2.jpg&hash=3b5f90c89448f0f8639c1c3b45a611832cc4e3b8)
Alien vs. Predator: Fire and Stone #3 (of 4)
When a Predator is exposed to a mysterious genetic accelerant, the rest of the hunting party is put in unforeseen peril. And as the android Elden continues his violent evolution, his xenomorph allies reject him from the hive.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2FALIEN-FAS-4-5fd03.jpg&hash=1b854a36fdc91239e8701aa83ffba7cc0679662b)
Aliens: Fire and Stone #4 (of 4)
Tying in with the Prometheus and Aliens films, this tale of stranded survivors and the tenacious xenomorphs that stalk them comes to a close! Scientist Derrick Russell makes more stunning discoveries about the strange planet the Hadley's Hope refugees crashed on, while Aliens close in on him!
Most of the predator stuff seems kinda hashed in just from reading those little spolierific descriptions. It does peak my curiosity. so ill inevitably buy/find them all online
Reviews of Aliens #1 have started to trickle online, and word seems pretty positive.
http://www.geekrex.com/2014/09/comic-spotlight-review-aliens-fire-and.html?m=1 (http://www.geekrex.com/2014/09/comic-spotlight-review-aliens-fire-and.html?m=1)
http://comicattack.net/2014/09/alienfs1rev/ (http://comicattack.net/2014/09/alienfs1rev/)
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/09/17/is-it-good-aliens-fire-and-stone-1-review/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/09/17/is-it-good-aliens-fire-and-stone-1-review/)
Preview for Prometheus issue 2: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55680 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55680)
Hot damn, Deacon Fish!
DAT OMEGA COVER THO! :o
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comicbookresources.com%2Fimgsrv%2Fimglib%2F0%2F0%2F1%2Fprometheusfinale-6103f.jpg&hash=55095dd9ed07936ae901f8ff5d09ff831394b493)
What in the universe is that thing behind them? Elden? I'm very excited for this whole thing to heat up.
Quote from: HybridNewborn on Sep 20, 2014, 05:16:13 PM
Preview for Prometheus issue 2: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55680 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55680)
Hot damn, Deacon Fish!
So it just went full circle back to Goblin Shark? :P
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 20, 2014, 06:04:05 PMSo it just went full circle back to Goblin Shark? :P
Doubt that's the Deacon
Really looking forward to humanoid adult Deacons
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliensversuspredator.net%2Fmedia%2Fnewcomics-avp-1-cover.jpg&hash=7d55e37d9a9a7c0372e29234a1b4b0e724d7f32f)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3dartistonline.com%2Fusers%2F4237%2Fthm1024%2F1349652020_Deacon%2520anpoch.jpg&hash=c5c141713b2f501d639da74e5b5e81b72aaf8366)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth08.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2FPRE%2Fi%2F2012%2F185%2F5%2Fa%2Fadult_deacon_by_harnois75-d560iea.jpg&hash=c6897b03f3d1573025b044747f770c0c8baa6f82)
or maybe even something less humanoid like...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc08.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2012%2F257%2F4%2F5%2Fadult___deacon_by_crocell28-d5eogt1.jpg&hash=56f96840f8ce12dffb4bf7279cdec0adfef189a0)
Itll be interesting to finally see it whats happened to it. if we ever really do.
Another review of Aliens #1, awarding it a 7.5/10. Beware of spoilers.
http://geeksushi.com/review-aliens-fire-stone-1-of-4/ (http://geeksushi.com/review-aliens-fire-stone-1-of-4/)
Another review, also positive, of Aliens #1.
http://www.omnicomic.com/2014/09/review-aliens-fire-and-stone-1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Omnicomic+(Omnicomic)&m=1 (http://www.omnicomic.com/2014/09/review-aliens-fire-and-stone-1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Omnicomic+(Omnicomic)&m=1)
Comic Hype has good things to say, as well.
http://www.comichype.com/2014/09/23/aliens-fire-and-stone-1-review/ (http://www.comichype.com/2014/09/23/aliens-fire-and-stone-1-review/)
Just checked out the new Aliens comic. The story seems interesting, but it is just me, or is the art for the xenomorphs absolutely terrible? Their hands are in the same position in every detailed frame. It seems like they heavily referenced the NECA figure.
I wouldn't say "terrible". It's decent but not great. Certainly better than the cover art.
See what you mean about the hands. Overall the Prometheus artwork was better.
Be back shortly with my thoughts...
Spoiler
Okay so artwork aside - the characters are also decent - the story doesn't really get very far. We get introduced to three people who will obviously become the main players - Russell, Genevieve and Cale. Russell confusing says he's been running the terraforming operation for four years, but there's no mention of Simpson or Lydecker. Until later when a character makes a comment about their old boss "Simpson". Guess they mean the same Simpson. I can't say the colony exteriors put me in mind of the film and the amount of people who escape Hadley seemed way too much when you look at the PDT signals in the film - though I can't confirm this (yet). As per Prometheus #1, this is mostly just setup.
Only real problem with Aliens #1 for me:
Spoiler
What on earth are two Colonial Marines doing in Hadley's Hope? Would it have killed the artist to come up with his own town defence guns and garb? just added to the feeling of a lot of the art being, while not exactly traced, then not entirely original.
Quote from: robbritton on Sep 25, 2014, 10:45:15 AM
Only real problem with Aliens #1 for me: Spoiler
What on earth are two Colonial Marines doing in Hadley's Hope? Would it have killed the artist to come up with his own town defence guns and garb? just added to the feeling of a lot of the art being, while not exactly traced, then not entirely original.
Spoiler
Their presence will be explained in Alien: River of Pain.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Sep 25, 2014, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: robbritton on Sep 25, 2014, 10:45:15 AM
Only real problem with Aliens #1 for me: Spoiler
What on earth are two Colonial Marines doing in Hadley's Hope? Would it have killed the artist to come up with his own town defence guns and garb? just added to the feeling of a lot of the art being, while not exactly traced, then not entirely original.
Spoiler
Their presence will be explained in Alien: River of Pain.
I did not know that. What a convoluted adventure this is turning out to be!
I'm definitely looking forward to how River of Pain intersects with Fire and Stone!
On another note, we should probably start seeing advance reviews of AvP #1 in the next week, if the pattern so far holds.
Aliens comic got off to a good start, although I'm wondering why they didn't just decide to stay in orbit, it's not like they'd have any advantage by landing on LV-223. The thing I can't stand though... the Aliens are traced pictures of NECA figures. Seriously, it's obvious. The artist can do people, ships, and environments fine, I have no idea why he'd do that with the Xenomorphs.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 26, 2014, 01:42:43 AM
Aliens comic got off to a good start, although I'm wondering why they didn't just decide to stay in orbit, it's not like they'd have any advantage by landing on LV-223. The thing I can't stand though... the Aliens are traced pictures of NECA figures. Seriously, it's obvious. The artist can do people, ships, and environments fine, I have no idea why he'd do that with the Xenomorphs.
Reyolds actually uses models for his human characters, too.
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Artists always use reference material.
Whether he used the figures as reference or traced them (personally I would've preferred them thinner in the waist and the hands were a bit OTT) - why does it matter?
Should he have just done it from memory?
I have no problem with it at all. The few art classes I took in school taught me that I'm much better at drawing when I have models to work from.
Incidentally, my mother really likes the Alien art from Reynolds, and I've passed that along to him on Tumblr. He seems like a cool guy.
Neal Adams talks about tracing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGRdfPp65eg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGRdfPp65eg#)
Incidentally this was the first Aliens comic I've bought in 16 years.
Reference is fine, but give it a bit of your own style if you want it to be interesting. The fact that their hands are in the same position in every frame makes them look like what they are, toys.
I recently finished the Aliens #1 book and I felt the story was rather lacking, at least in comparison to previous Aliens comics. Without spoiling too much, the gist is basically about how the crew of Hadley's Hope used a ship to escape LV-426 to another location; overall, the story could easily have been told in only a couple of pages instead of an entire book. Like Aliens: Field Report and the Prometheus movie, I think this story was meant as nothing more than a mere intro into the series, I hope to see some more interesting plot in the future issues. Prometheus #1 was pretty good, though; the mystery and character backgrounds of that issue created quite an interesting story.
Reynolds' studio.
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I finished reading Aliens #1 the other night. I understand River of Pain will obviously lead into Aliens somehow but without that lead in, the revisionist history seems a bit of a sore thumb at the moment. I can buy the idea of the Onager without much explanation but the presence of the Colonial Marines is a little harder for me to buy into without that explanation yet.
The close proximity of LV426 to LV223 seems a little coincidental. From what I remember it was inferred in Prometheus but I can't remember how explicitly (I've not watched it in full since the Blu-ray came out). It seems hard to believe that it was never scanned or investigated - even if they mention in the comic that Wey-Yu records state it is barren.
I also disliked the lack of Decker and the throw-away comment about him being an old boss. There's really no way to reconcile that that with the comic.
I did like the artwork - I find the style suiting for the series and story. I hadn't really noticed the whole figure thing but now RidgeTop has mentioned it I can't unsee it - or that the opening panel is essentially a Colonial Marines screencap.
A lot of set-up as was to be expected and whilst not as good as Prometheus #1 IMHO, I really look forward to seeing where they go with the series.
I also thought it was odd for the two planets to be so close together but thought it was something I missed when watching Prometheus.
QuoteI can buy the idea of the Onager without much explanation but the presence of the Colonial Marines is a little harder for me to buy into without that explanation yet.
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There's a small detachment based at the colony. I guess the next book will deal with them more.
QuoteI also disliked the lack of Decker and the throw-away comment about him being an old boss.
Simpson. Dunno what the reference was supposed to mean.
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Had another look at the PDT scan from Aliens; and there's no way 38 people escaped. So unless they all come back to LV-426, looks like this may be yet another detail that doesn't fit the continuity properly.
Hopefully my copy comes in the mail tomorrow.
As far as some of the questions...
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Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
QuoteI can buy the idea of the Onager without much explanation but the presence of the Colonial Marines is a little harder for me to buy into without that explanation yet.
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There's a small detachment based at the colony. I guess the next book will deal with them more.
I very much hope that River of Pain doesn't go the way of Sea of Sorrows and introduce a large number of mercs/Marines who drag the story to a standstill as they take turns getting killed off.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 28, 2014, 05:57:18 PM
The close proximity of LV426 to LV223 seems a little coincidental. From what I remember it was inferred in Prometheus but I can't remember how explicitly (I've not watched it in full since the Blu-ray came out). It seems hard to believe that it was never scanned or investigated - even if they mention in the comic that Wey-Yu records state it is barren.
I also disliked the lack of Decker and the throw-away comment about him being an old boss. There's really no way to reconcile that that with the comic.
I also seriously hope they address that, and the 125-year-long gap before anyone goes back to LV-223. If I had to guess, it will probably turn out that one of the "secrets behind the colonization of LV-426" that River of Pain will reveal will be that The Company knew all along what was on LV-223, and set up a colony of the neighboring planet to serve some nefarious experiment.
And since we're on the topic of revisionist history, does anyone else think that we'll be going back to LV-426 at some point in Fire and Stone, and that it will turn out that the Derelict is still there?
Some of Dave Palumbo's comments in that Muddy Colors interview (http://muddycolors.blogspot.com/2014/06/alien-vs-predator.html (http://muddycolors.blogspot.com/2014/06/alien-vs-predator.html)) a while back hint that this might be the case. The bolding is mine.
QuoteMy initial plan was naturally for a battle scene.
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QuoteIn the end it seemed best to go with a more symbolic than literal composition, painting the texture of the story rather than a scene from it.
QuoteThe left side of the image is dominated by aliens and a familiar landscape.
That sure does look like the Derelict on LV-426...
QuoteI also seriously hope they address that, and the 125-year-long gap before anyone goes back to LV-223.
I don't know how they'll address that long gap.
The original intent was for the Prometheus comic to happen not long after the film.
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QuoteIf I had to guess, it will probably turn out that one of the "secrets behind the colonization of LV-426" that River of Pain will reveal will be that The Company knew all along what was on LV-223, and set up a colony of the neighboring planet to serve some nefarious experiment.
Thus creating even more continuity problems.
QuoteAnd since we're on the topic of revisionist history, does anyone else think that we'll be going back to LV-426 at some point in Fire and Stone, and that it will turn out that the Derelict is still there?
Based on WYR I really doubt it - but at this point nothing would surprise me.
Also, no one seems to have noticed the consistent use of Calpamos for the gas giant...
Speculate away
QuotePrometheus #1
When the Prometheus never returned from her fateful journey to LV-223, the questions surrounding the origins of man went unanswered. Now a new team of explorers seeks to uncover the dark mystery that holds not only the fate of theoriginal mission, but possibly their own damnation.
Aliens #1
During a vicious xenomorph outbreak, terraforming engineer Derrick Russell leads a desperate group of survivors onto a rickety mining vessel. They hope to escape the creatures overrunning their colony—but they'll face horrors both in space and on the strange planet they crash on. Ties in with the Prometheus and Aliens films!
Aliens vs. Predator #1
As the mercenary crew of the Perses leave the horror of LV-223 behind them, one passenger reveals a terrible new danger, and the crew soon find themselves in a deadly struggle between predator and prey!
Predator #1
As the Perses begins her long journey home, a deadly stowaway forces the crew into a savage conflict! While the crew defend themselves against this unseen predator, the hunter itself stalks a much more substantial game!
Prometheus #2
After landing on LV-223, a recovery crew uncovers the fate of the Prometheus's doomed mission—and a horror unlike anything known to man!
Aliens #2
After crashing their clunky mining ship on a strange planet, a group of human survivors face both xenomorph attacks and friction among themselves—which could spell doom for everyone! The stranded and desperate group has a single chance: one of their scientists, who seeks the key to their freedom.
AvP #2
A terminally ill scientist's desperate experiment yields deadly results, and offers the Predators a chance to hunt an invincible new game!
Predator #2
After the mayhem and terror of Weyland-Yutani's disastrous mission to the site of the Prometheus, Galgo's troubles continue when his ship is shanghaied by a Predator stowaway! Its obsession with a mysterious, deadly quarry sends them to the last place in the universe Galgo'd like to revisit—the Xeno-infested LV-223!
Prometheus #3
Chaos breaks loose when a member of the Prometheus's recovery team is exposed to the dangerous and mysterious genetic accelerant! Now, with the crew divided and hope for survival fleeting, a terrifying discovery offers a glimpse into the fate of the Prometheus . . . and the colony on LV-426!
Aliens #3
With their numbers dwindling and hopes for rescue fading, the desperate survivors on the strange planet known as LV-223 fight among themselves. A lone scientist may hold the key to their freedom, though—if everyone can live long enough to hear him out! Ties in with the Prometheus and Aliens films!
AvP #3
When a Predator is exposed to a mysterious genetic accelerant, the rest of the hunting party is put in unforeseen peril. And as the android Elden continues his violent evolution, his xenomorph allies reject him from the hive.
Predator #3
Back among the crewmates he betrayed in Prometheus, Galgo must watch over both shoulders, as his former allies want him to pay, and the Predator that holds him captive wants something far more terrible!
Prometheus #4
Casualties rise as the Prometheus's recovery team find themselves trapped between an unrelenting alien horde, a ruthless Engineer, and a vengeful victim of the mysterious accelerant!
Aliens #4
Tying in with the Prometheus and Aliens films, this tale of stranded survivors and the tenacious xenomorphs that stalk them comes to a close! Scientist Derrick Russell makes more stunning discoveries about the strange planet the Hadley's Hope refugees crashed on, while Aliens close in on him!
AvP #4
???
Predator #4
???
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
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There's a small detachment based at the colony. I guess the next book will deal with them more.
That's what I'm hoping. But without that intro prior to this series seems a bit..."wtf, when did that happen". I suppose those short throws a comment in there but still.
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QuoteI also disliked the lack of Decker and the throw-away comment about him being an old boss.
Simpson. Dunno what the reference was supposed to mean.
Of course, my mistake. Had Sea of Sorrows in my mind for some reason. It really doesn't equate to much as it just doesn't make sense. If they wanted to ignore the Special Edition, they should have just done so.
Didn't they reference the sentry guns in that Field Report short?
Unknown. I don't have it. Thought you did?
Nah I only read it in the comic shop. But exey for half a dozen pages.
My copy came this morning and I finished it a while ago. I liked it. My more spoilery thought below.
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I went into this issue with realistic expectations. Much like Prometheus #1, this issue has a lot of work to do introducing characters and situations, so I wan't expecting as much of it as I will be for subsequent issues of Fire and Stone. This was a good call, because Aliens #1 very much meets these expectations for a first issue.
First things first, the presence of a few Colonial Marines, and the replacement of Simpson with Russel, has me looking forward to what River of Pain has to offer as far as expanding the story of just what happened on LV-426. I don't mind the revisionist history much at this point because there is still ample time and page space for it to be explained and made sensible.
The characters were enjoyable to be sure, and I like the arc they seem to be setting up with Cale being responsible for the xenos getting on the Onager. Derrick Russel is also shaping up to be a good lead, and the it's clear, just like in Prometheus #1, that the writers are trying very hard to set him up as a more intelligent and thoughtful scientist than the characters in the Prometheus film. I am very much looking forward to being on the journey with him as he discovers more about LV-223 and the xenomorphs.
I have a suspicion that the writers are going to be subverting the expectations we have of the Prometheus and Aliens series. Based on this issue and what we've seen of Prometheus #2, I think we might get more Prometheus/"black goo"/what's-going-on-on-Lv-223? stuff in the Aliens series via Russel's discoveroes, while the Prometheus series will be more of a straightforward monster mash. I could be wrong, but if this is what the writers are doing, it's certainly interesting.
As far as the art, I like Reynolds' characters and how emotive they are, and I'm really interetsed in seeing how he handles the various creatures that will most likely appear going forward.
Overall, this was about as successful as first issue as it could have been, and I don't mean that in a mediocre way. I will say, however, that since is second introductory issue we've gotten so far, I will be expecting the story to start moving a bit more from this point forward, and that applies to all the Fire and Stone series.
And since I haven't seen anyone mention this, the rock formation in the second-to-last panel is, I think, clearly supposed to be evocative of the Deacon, which hopefully means that we'll be seeing more of that particular creature at some point.
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When asked on Facebook about the above, Patric Reynolds said:
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Quotehmmmm..... the plot thickens.....
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Patric-Reynolds-Artist/212322795470260?fref=photo (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Patric-Reynolds-Artist/212322795470260?fref=photo)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 29, 2014, 07:44:44 AMOf course, my mistake. Had Sea of Sorrows in my mind for some reason. It really doesn't equate to much as it just doesn't make sense. If they wanted to ignore the Special Edition, they should have just done so.
Wait, what? Have they retconned Simpson?
Yeah - the main character in Aliens is supposed to have been in charge of Hadley's Hope for 4 years.
Oh right. That's news to me, where does the length of time he's spent in the job come from?
I assume Foster's novel, right Hicks?
I read the book very recently, I don't remember it being mentioned in there...
I mean the new guy in Fire and Stone.
Geek Rex has the first review of AvP #1. Spoilers below.
http://www.geekrex.com/2014/10/comic-spotlight-review-alien-vs.html?m=1 (http://www.geekrex.com/2014/10/comic-spotlight-review-alien-vs.html?m=1)
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Unfortunately, it seems that I was right to be concerned about the release order making AvP #1 seem disjointed. Hopefully this all pulls itself together quickly.
I'm skipping the Prometheus comic, I didn't like the movie and figured if I skipped the comic I could avoid most of its impact on the franchise.
I was planning on buying the Aliens, Predator and AVP comics, but it looks like I will be skipping AVP as well. I really didn't like the preview pages they have released, especially the "frankineer". It reminds me too much of the Tyrant from Resident Evil.
On the plus side, I really enjoyed the first Aliens comic and hope the Predator one starts off just as well. :)
Underwhelmed by the Aliens comic. I think it's mainly the art.
Aliens are supposed to be disturbingly beautiful. Without detail, they lose that eery biomechanical look. I'm pumped for AvP and Predator. Predator looks great, especially that scene with the Goro aliens
More AvP Reveiws have posted. Beware of some substantial spoilers.
A positive one from Rock Pop Shock: http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4333-Aliens-Vs.-Predator-Fire-And-Stone-1 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4333-Aliens-Vs.-Predator-Fire-And-Stone-1)
A 4/5 from Geek Syndicate: http://geeksyndicate.co.uk/reviews/comic-review-avp-fire-stone-1/ (http://geeksyndicate.co.uk/reviews/comic-review-avp-fire-stone-1/)
We the Nerdy far AvP #1 a 9/10. I'm definitely excited.
http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-1-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-1-review/)
avp art is dreadful
My copy came yesterday, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I would say that it is the best issue of Fire and Stone yet. My full, spoilery review is below.
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The best place to start is probably the art, as it is most likely going to be one of the biggest points of contention about the series. Not everyone loves Olivetti's style, but for me personally, the semi-painted quality is quite appealing. I was surprised by how much I found myself enjoying the ship design, of all things. I like that they went with the decision to have the Geryon be cavernous, emphasizing how small and vulnerable our hapless cast of characters really is. Olivetti's panel arrangement is spot-on, and both he and Sebela manage to make the Predators' story coherent visually. Elden is also a sight to behold, and it seems that they are nailing the grotesque angle with him. I'm dying to see how bizarre things get. My only complaint is Olivetti's xenomorphs, or more specifically their mouths. The creatures have a good amount of bio-mechanical detail, but their mouths are too angular for my taste. They look a bit like xenomorph ventriloquist dummies at times. This is a minor complaint, though, and hopefully Olivetti continues to rock the art over the next three issues.
As far as the story and writing, it was definitely better than I was expecting, and I was happy that some of the things I was expecting to happen haven't. This gives me hope that Fire and Stone will go in a really cool, different sort of direction.
The abrupt start is a good hook, as it certainly piques my interest in what will unfold over the course of the Prometheus series. Thus far, I'm digging Elden. As a character, he will definitely be divisive among fans, but establishing a villain who is semi-human and can communicate understandable goals is good way of ensuring that Fire and Stone can go the distance as a series. Some will definitely argue that this gives short shift to the xenomorphs and the Predators, and while that may be true in the case of the xenos, once again the possibility of seeing something new and Prometheus-esque is exciting enough for me to go with the idea. What will Elden do once/if he gets Francis? What is he becoming? How far will he go to get his answers about what he is?
The issue was a bit light on xeno v. Predator action, but that can be forgiven seeing as this is issue one, and it ends on the promise of some good mayhem.
Overall, this was a great issue, and promises better to come. My only disappointment is that we have to wait a month for this particular thread to continue. I'll definitely read this a few more times, even if just to ogle the awesome art and Elden design.
On a final note, there's a line where Elden talks about the Engineers "moving through time" that I take as possibly hinting at time travel. I asked Sebela about it on Twitter and his response (https://twitter.com/xtop/status/521118234213244928 (https://twitter.com/xtop/status/521118234213244928)), though obviously evasive, was intriguing:
QuoteThanks! And I would say more about your question, but someone would murder me.
I am definitely digging that Fire and Stone is showing potential to go in new directions for the franchise.
AvP #1 - a third beginning - leaves me hanging out for Prometheus #2 this week so shit can finally start moving. These intros, while necessary are becoming a little tiresome.
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I like how they have given very little away about the plot of the Prometheus series. Obviously people have died and something's happened to Elden, but we're not sure exactly who has died. If they're major characters in Prometheus, bumping them unceremoniously in a couple of panels may seem a little cheap. Takahashi looks like she gets her head skewered.
I quite like the artwork. It's not spectacular but does the job. The colouring is particularly nice.
Can we just get on with it now?
I guess i have to get it to make sense of all of the other comics...damnit all
Not sure. It's set after both Aliens and Prometheus. I would think those series would be self contained.
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AvP is set after they escape whatever goes down in Prometheus, so I'm thinking that series has a more or less definitive ending - this is just what happens to those characters next.
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Was this already pointed out?
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What comic is the top-most image from?
Aliens #1
I picked up AvP #1 on Friday. I really enjoyed it but the lack of conclusion to any of the previous series is started to get a bit "blurgh!". I would have liked them to have finished 2 stories before starting the others. I'm worried about overlap ruining the story.
However, that said, I really liked #1. I'm curious to see where they go with Elden and the Engineers/Aliens. I'm sure that bit might turn some folk away but I'm curious to see what they've concocted.
The artwork seems to swing - sometimes it's lovely and detailed, others it plain and dull.
But I'm still here, I'm still enjoying the ride. Just can't wait to move on from the #1s and get the ball rolling.
AvP #1 is quite decent
...all of the #1's have understandably been light on action. I'm really looking forward to some actual AvP action. It seems that Galgo and Ahab won't be major players in the AvP series. AvP seems to revolve around Elden, Francis, the aliens and the Super Predator lookalikes
I'm not even sure if Ahab is part of the predator crew. He doesn't seem to hunt with them
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2014, 11:42:42 AM
I picked up AvP #1 on Friday. I really enjoyed it but the lack of conclusion to any of the previous series is started to get a bit "blurgh!". I would have liked them to have finished 2 stories before starting the others. I'm worried about overlap ruining the story.
You're not the only one worried about that, to me it seems like the story never ended between the Prometheus and AVP and it feels like I accidentally hit skip chapter. Blaargh. :P
I guess the optimal reading order would be
Aliens
Prometheus
AvP - Predator (these events of these two series seem to be concurrent...majority of predators stay with Elden and his xenos, Ahab splits off to follow Galgo)
Omega
It would be rather hard to argue that reading these multiple series in the staggered order of release would somehow enhance the reading experience.
Prometheus #2
Finally stuff is happening.
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They haven't dwelt too long on (re)introducing the Alien which is nice. And more elements are starting to tie into Prometheus and the Aliens comics, which is also nice. The shift in timeframe from the originally intended 2094 is still throwing up irritations in terms of how Angela says she thinks something terrible happened to the Prometheus crew - yeah they all died of old age decades earlier 'cos the Prometheus lifeboat only had 2 years of life support. The whole shift in timing has undermined the whole purpose of the mission. They had 120 odd years to check out LV-223 - a colony for over twenty years of them less than a day's travel away. And Francis talk of cancer butts up against Weyland curing 98% of cancers nearly 200 years earlier. Guess Francis is the 2%...
That said it's still a good read. AvP may have blown what happens to Elden, but we're still a way to go until we get to AvP Elden and it should be interesting to see how we get there.
Of course AvP had to be the worst issue of all of the Fire and Stone issues so far.
It does?
I thought it was. I didn't enjoy the art style and I thought the whole Elden thing was... kinda lame.
AvP, being tied more to the comics, is effectively free of direct film tie ins, which means less chance of f**king with the continuity - which both Aliens and Prometheus have suffered from.
So it has that going for it.
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Which is nice.
I think the art was marginally better than Aliens. And it probably suffered from being the "third beginning" - which taken in isolation isn't really an issue.
Speaking of art style, the Prometheus issues have been superb in that department.
Quote from: Cal427eb on Oct 17, 2014, 03:20:22 AM
Of course AvP had to be the worst issue of all of the Fire and Stone issues so far.
That would be your opinion. I thought Aliens #1 was the worst by far mainly because of the art...I strongly disagree with the lack of detail. I believe xenomorphs benefit greatly from being drawn with plenty of biomechanical detail
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So Francis injects Elden with the goo and Elden essentially transforms into an engineer? Interesting, Francis also talks about a diluted form of the goo, I recall the goo in the vials being mixed with a clear liquid like water, makes me think the goo in the vials is diluted goo - less aggressive - where pure goo is what causes disintegration, aggressive mutation ala Fifield, exploding dead heads, etc. Interesting how Elden and the Xenos are in harmony with one another, maybe this is how it was for the engineers for a time before it fell apart? Might explain how they could effectively handle thousands of eggs and store them as cargo in the derelict. Darkhorse are teasing some answers here but I don't think we'll get them until the final book "Omega". Anyway I'm enjoying these comics despite a few niggles here and there.
I read Prometheus #2 this morning, and I'm glad that the story has started moving in earnest. The issue was quite good. My full review, with spoilers, is below.
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First off, I'm glad that the preview we got a while back contained most of Aliens-style action. That preview made me worry that the Prometheus series would wind up being just another Aliens series, but the second half of the issues is wisely dedicated to building the story in some interesting ways. There are definitely some issues going on with the 2219 timestamp, as Angela's revelation to the crew would make much more sense if the series had been allowed to take place in the 2090s as was originally planned. Also, Francis' surprise at the existence of intelligent alien life seems to contradict what Sea of Sorrows established with the Arcturians. Still, that's all on Fox, and these aren't even big enough issues for me to care very much, especially given how good the rest of the issue was.
It's very refreshing to have an issue that isn't a #1. I'm digging how they're tying in Derrick Russel to the series, and this has me very excited for the next issue of Aliens; I want to know what Russel's plan is for getting the crew off LV-223, and what becomes of him. The fact that Francis is basically trying to use Elden as a dialysis machine to filter down the accelerant is a cooler explanation for how he gets exposed to the goo than I was expecting.
The silent presence of the Engineer has left me wondering if this is supposed to be the same one that we saw in issue #1. If so, why he has been on LV-223 for 125 years, and why he didn't take part in the drama surrounding the Prometheus expedition, are questions I very much look forward to them answering. Now that Angela and company are on the downed Juggernaut, I have my fingers crossed that we'll be seeing what became of the Deacon, as well.
The mountain that is growing without seismic activity has potential to be another interesting twist, especially if it's related to the Deacon rock formation from the Aliens series.
I'm still liking Ferreyra's art. The xeno-sharks were cool, and I'm looking forward to what he has in store for the next two issues. Tobin is doing a very solid job of moving the story forward without padding, and all the issues of Fire and Stone so far have been nice and brisk.
Overall, four issues in I have to say that Fire and Stone is going better than I was afraid it would, given the history of big A/v/P comic events. We just have one more #1 to get past, and Prometheus #2 has assured me that this is a story that will move quickly now in some interesting directions.
Also, the first review of Predator #1 is up. Read at your own risk, as usual.
http://www.geekrex.com/2014/10/comic-spotlight-review-predator-fire.html (http://www.geekrex.com/2014/10/comic-spotlight-review-predator-fire.html)
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QuoteAlso, Francis' surprise at the existence of intelligent alien life seems to contradict what Sea of Sorrows established with the Arcturians.
Francis' "We're not alone" could simply mean they aren't alone on the planet.
QuoteThe mountain that is growing without seismic activity has potential to be another interesting twist, especially if it's related to the Deacon rock formation from the Aliens series.
There's a big one right outside Francis and Elden's cave too.
I've decided holding off on reading these until they get released as a graphic novel. That being said, does anyone know if there are plans to release these as an omnibus? four separate hard covers? or just paper back edition? I know that Omnibus's and hardcover cost more and dark horse isn't the biggest publisher around so i'm not sure if they'd be willing to shell out the extra dough.
Way too early to tell if they'll do that.
It's pretty certain they'll do TPBs though.
Quote from: Cal427eb on Oct 17, 2014, 03:20:22 AM
Of course AvP had to be the worst issue of all of the Fire and Stone issues so far.
Agreed, it's the worst one yet. Sucks that the other comics have to suffer since we know they're all headed in this horrible direction.
So I decided to read Predator: Fire and Stone on a whim, I know I said in another thread that I'm dropping this series, but I was curious. All I have to say is that this comic seriously reads like it came from the 90s. Good or bad that's up to you, but the entire book just didn't get my interest going again for me to continue.
A handy round-up of all the reviews of Predator #1.
http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dark-horse-comics/predator-fire-and-stone/1 (http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dark-horse-comics/predator-fire-and-stone/1)
Quote from: ShadowPred on Oct 22, 2014, 04:33:52 PM
Agreed, it's the worst one yet. Sucks that the other comics have to suffer since we know they're all headed in this horrible direction.
Nah...AvP ain't the worst in my book. Aliens is the most underwhelming.
So far, I'd rank them
1. Prometheus
2. Predator
3. AvP
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4. Aliens
Quotethis comic seriously reads like it came from the 90s
Elaborate?
Just read Predator 1 and it was my favorite out of all the #1s so far.
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They really show off Ahab's arsenal. More than just the wrist blades and plasma caster! Once page has Ahab pulling a Batman with his grapple hook. That or an AVP2000 PC game reference.
It also has pretty good art. Not as detailed as Prometheus but I liked it better than AVP. Much more dynamic and lively. Not as static.
I did not care all that much for the Aliens #1 art. The art for Aliens was by no means bad, but it was not in a style that I especially like.
I'd rank the art
1. Predator
2. Prometheus/AvP
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3. Aliens
Prometheus might edge AvP. I'm feeling the Predator art the most. Especially that #2 teaser
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byuf7zvCEAAcEh1.jpg)
This series has been very underwhelming so far. I was very disappointed that they didn't really use Hadley's Hope. What was the point of putting it in there if you're not going to take the time to explore the possibility's it opens up. :-[
Quote from: DemonicD13 on Oct 23, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
This series has been very underwhelming so far. I was very disappointed that they didn't really use Hadley's Hope. What was the point of putting it in there if you're not going to take the time to explore the possibility's it opens up. :-[
Maybe cuz Hadley's Hope should be a wasteland and ACM is retarded
Crap, these are out? How the heck did I miss this??? Can somebody tell me which issues of which series are out already, and I'll hope the comic guy still has them in stock!
Prometheus 1 and 2
Aliens 1
AVP 1
Predator 1
Aliens 2 next I believe.
Quote from: happypred on Oct 23, 2014, 03:49:28 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Oct 22, 2014, 04:33:52 PM
Agreed, it's the worst one yet. Sucks that the other comics have to suffer since we know they're all headed in this horrible direction.
Nah...AvP ain't the worst in my book. Aliens is the most underwhelming.
So far, I'd rank them
1. Prometheus
2. Predator
3. AvP
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4. Aliens
Quotethis comic seriously reads like it came from the 90s
Elaborate?
The dialog seriously felt like writing that would only be done in the 90s, for example:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F93327ec9400290181627532132f8b7ce.png&hash=d61b8cb258d8bbca2514fedaa3de8556549609ea)
I felt like it was just full of corny dialog like that all throughout.
Just read the first issue for Predator. Galgo sure is a bastard, as far as the human characters go in this series there really are not any likable characters. Pretty good read, and the art is well done.
ACM sucking is beside the point. ::)
There was no reason to even mention Hadley's Hope except for a fan wank.
Quote from: DemonicD13 on Oct 23, 2014, 09:29:11 PMThere was no reason to even mention Hadley's Hope except for a fan wank.
The idea of Hadley's Hope survivors who make it off planet is a cool one. Nothing wrong with a flashback to their flight from Hadley's Hope
I wouldn't classify it as forced or "fanwank". ACM (having events occur at a largely intact colony)...that's pointless fanwank
Quote from: ShadowPred on Oct 23, 2014, 04:54:18 PMI felt like it was just full of corny dialog like that all throughout.
The smell thing has been around for a while. In Big Game, Nakai smells the predator before he sees him. I guess it's a tad corny for the guy to be talking as he attempts to fight the predator?
...but yeah, one of the reviews mentions bad dialogue
I really like Prometheus #2, I feel a little melancholic considering the events that occur in AVP #1; clearly Galgo isn't a heartless bastard yet.
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I was really hoping he dies in Predator #1, but the promise of a Predator hunting an Engineer is even more intriguing. Perhaps we will finally discover where the Predators fit in the whole Engineer scheme. Were they created by the Engineers as well or are they a completely separate species from them?
Quote from: DemonicD13 on Oct 23, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
This series has been very underwhelming so far. I was very disappointed that they didn't really use Hadley's Hope. What was the point of putting it in there if you're not going to take the time to explore the possibility's it opens up. :-[
That story will likely be told in the River of Pain novel.
As for Predator #1...
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Galgo really is a prick. Needs to die by the end of this series. The sequence with Piper was starting to get silly - until his demise. ;D
Continuity watch - Fury 161 reference anachronistic. And likely still would've been anachronistic in 2194. Odd reference that.
Quote from: predxeno on Oct 24, 2014, 05:49:15 AM
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I was really hoping he dies in Predator #1, but the promise of a Predator hunting an Engineer is even more intriguing. Perhaps we will finally discover where the Predators fit in the whole Engineer scheme. Were they created by the Engineers as well or are they a completely separate species from them?
According to Sebela, he has mentioned that he doesn't believe that the Engineers created the Predators. Of course this was back in February when I asked him, and this could have changed but he's also stated that he isn't an authority regarding the relationship between the two species.
But in all honesty, I would rather the Predators be a completely separate species rather than be another created race by the Engineers. My personal opinion of course, and I hope they remain separate races.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Oct 24, 2014, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Oct 24, 2014, 05:49:15 AM
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I was really hoping he dies in Predator #1, but the promise of a Predator hunting an Engineer is even more intriguing. Perhaps we will finally discover where the Predators fit in the whole Engineer scheme. Were they created by the Engineers as well or are they a completely separate species from them?
According to Sebela, he has mentioned that he doesn't believe that the Engineers created the Predators. Of course this was back in February when I asked him, and this could have changed but he's also stated that he isn't an authority regarding the relationship between the two species.
But in all honesty, I would rather the Predators be a completely separate species rather than be another created race by the Engineers. My personal opinion of course, and I hope they remain separate races.
My thoughts on the matter... (Possible spoilers for AvP #2 for those who don't look at previews)
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I think Fire and Stone is, if anything, implying that the Engineers have a relationship with various species more in line with the actual Greek myth of Prometheus. Elden says to the Predator things like "I don't know what you are or where you came from," and later has that long tangent about how "My people gave you a conscience to ignore," etc. etc. To me, this indicates that (at least as far as Elden knows) the Engineers may have, like the Greek Prometheus, given various already existing species the gift of fire, IE thought. It's an interesting idea, and fits with the notion of the black goo as an "accelerant," and the possibility that it has been used to raise species from more primitive status to that of thinking beings. If this is what Fire and Stone is going for, I think we'll be left to fill in the blanks for ourselves as far as whether the Predators are one of the species the Engineers gifted intelligence to or not.
TL;DR: The Engineers might not have created the Predators, but maybe they gave the Predators higher intelligence. Fire and Stone is unlikely to set anything in stone (no pun intended).
Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 24, 2014, 08:29:04 PM
My thoughts on the matter... (Possible spoilers for AvP #2 for those who don't look at previews)
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I think Fire and Stone is, if anything, implying that the Engineers have a relationship with various species more in line with the actual Greek myth of Prometheus. Elden says to the Predator things like "I don't know what you are or where you came from," and later has that long tangent about how "My people gave you a conscience to ignore," etc. etc. To me, this indicates that (at least as far as Elden knows) the Engineers may have, like the Greek Prometheus, given various already existing species the gift of fire, IE thought. It's an interesting idea, and fits with the notion of the black goo as an "accelerant," and the possibility that it has been used to raise species from more primitive status to that of thinking beings. If this is what Fire and Stone is going for, I think we'll be left to fill in the blanks for ourselves as far as whether the Predators are one of the species the Engineers gifted intelligence to or not.
TL;DR: The Engineers might not have created the Predators, but maybe they gave the Predators higher intelligence. Fire and Stone is unlikely to set anything in stone (no pun intended).
Either that or the character is out of his f**king mind due to the mental and physical changes he is experiencing.
That too is a very real possibility. Once again, it makes sense to put these sort of things in the mouth of an unreliable character. It means the writers can propose many things, but hedge against actually establishing anything that could get stepped on by future films, or which could anger fans.
As for how despicable Galgo's behaviour is...
I believe Piper and Higgins are probably just/nearly as bad. I haven't read Prometheus #2, but I'm guessing we just haven't seen them behave like total douchebags yet. In Predator, it's most likely a case of a douchebag (Galgo) being a douchebag to two other douchebags, though Higgins is a lot less annoying than Piper
The first review of AvP #2 is up, and it's very positive. Beware of some minor spoilers.
http://whatchareading.com/previewreview-alien-vs-predator-2-stands-november-5th/ (http://whatchareading.com/previewreview-alien-vs-predator-2-stands-november-5th/)
Been going through all of these and reviewing them for a small website called WeTheNerdy. Free comics are fun.
So far, I really like the series, though the Alien side of it seems to be the worst. Just finished number two and wasn't really impressed.
The others are very solid though. AvP1 was my favorite, and I'm super excited for number 2. We haven't gotten a review copy of that yet though.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Oct 29, 2014, 12:56:40 AMSo far, I really like the series, though the Alien side of it seems to be the worst. Just finished number two and wasn't really impressed.
Why do you find it to be the worst? I agree with you but I'd like to hear your reasons.
Personally, I don't like the Aliens art and I don't find the story/characters to be very compelling. However, I've only read #1
Quote from: happypred on Oct 29, 2014, 02:48:43 AM
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Oct 29, 2014, 12:56:40 AMSo far, I really like the series, though the Alien side of it seems to be the worst. Just finished number two and wasn't really impressed.
Why do you find it to be the worst? I agree with you but I'd like to hear your reasons.
Personally, I don't like the Aliens art and I don't find the story/characters to be very compelling. However, I've only read #1
Issue 2 is mostly exposition vomit. Despite some serious forward jumping in time, I feel like nothing happened. Issue 1 had a similar problem, though at least there were tons of action sequences to fall back on. But the story side of things seems to be very thin.
Though I love the art and think it's the strongest point as of now.
http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-fire-and-stone-1-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-fire-and-stone-1-review/)
http://wethenerdy.com/prometheus-fire-and-stone-2-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/prometheus-fire-and-stone-2-review/)
http://wethenerdy.com/predator-fire-and-stone-1-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/predator-fire-and-stone-1-review/)
http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-1-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-1-review/)
http://wethenerdy.com/alien-fire-and-stone-2-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/alien-fire-and-stone-2-review/)
Wow, it sounds like I'm the only guy who liked Aliens #2; figures that I'd be the one liking the stories that everyone else hates. :D
Btw, I disliked AVP #1. :P
Aliens #2
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Main problem with this is the fact the survivors have been on LV-223 for months and are still squabbling about defence vs. attack? How are they not all dead yet? Even if only by ingesting plants and animals contaminated with accelerant. The Aliens must know where they are? Why not just wipe them out? And Ridgetops point a few pages back still stands about the Alien hands. On the positive side Russell's story is genuinely interesting, and the final panel rather intriguing, so that saves it for mine.
The Aliens series would be much better with decent art
Quote from: SM on Oct 30, 2014, 07:14:32 AM
Aliens #2
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Main problem with this is the fact the survivors have been on LV-223 for months and are still squabbling about defence vs. attack? How are they not all dead yet? Even if only by ingesting plants and animals contaminated with accelerant. The Aliens must know where they are? Why not just wipe them out? And Ridgetops point a few pages back still stands about the Alien hands. On the positive side Russell's story is genuinely interesting, and the final panel rather intriguing, so that saves it for mine.
Pretty much my thoughts.
I dunno how people can hate the art style for this series though. I f**kin' love it.
Only been reading the '
Prometheus' and '
Aliens' side of it, but while the art is pleasant, it does seem like a bit of a convoluted mess, story-wise. Colonists escaping Hadley's Hope flies in the face of Hudson's comment about the PDTs, most definitely. Plus, we now have both that group and the other colonists the creatures are showing killing, outright... A good quarter/third of the estimated number of creatures in the film couldn't have existed. Also, why bother taking the murdered corpses back to glue to the nursery chamber? They'd serve no purpose.
Then we have the story and, eh... It's a bit painting-by-numbers. No real tension or horror. Just random deaths presented in comic format. It's all the more glaring, because the survivors are on an entire planet of predatory nasties and the reader has no reason to imagine the Aliens are necessarily any worse than what's already out there, judging by their presentation.
And, uh...
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Looks like they really did go with a synthetic being transformed by something which is meant to affect organic matter.
Mind you, can't say I've been impressed by the two novels we've had, so far, either. Still at the half-way mark of the second, because I can't work up the motivation to keep trudging through it.
Quote from: SM on Oct 30, 2014, 07:14:32 AM
Aliens #2
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Main problem with this is the fact the survivors have been on LV-223 for months and are still squabbling about defence vs. attack? How are they not all dead yet? Even if only by ingesting plants and animals contaminated with accelerant. The Aliens must know where they are? Why not just wipe them out?
My thoughts - you have them. Especially in regards to ingesting contamination. Wasted would-be sub-plot.
QuoteColonists escaping Hadley's Hope flies in the face of Hudson's comment about the PDTs, most definitely.
They could've gotten away with it if only a handful of the colonists had escaped. But it was something like 30 odd, and there's more than 120+ PDTs on screen.
QuotePlus, we now have both that group and the other colonists the creatures are showing killing, outright... A good quarter/third of the estimated number of creatures in the film couldn't have existed. Also, why bother taking the murdered corpses back to glue to the nursery chamber? They'd serve no purpose.
I guess the common argument would be that the bodies were taken for food. But that assumes they need to eat, and flies in the face of the distinct absence of blood stains anywhere in the colony.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2014, 03:54:19 AM
QuotePlus, we now have both that group and the other colonists the creatures are showing killing, outright... A good quarter/third of the estimated number of creatures in the film couldn't have existed. Also, why bother taking the murdered corpses back to glue to the nursery chamber? They'd serve no purpose.
I guess the common argument would be that the bodies were taken for food. But that assumes they need to eat, and flies in the face of the distinct absence of blood stains anywhere in the colony.
According to the Aliens movie novelization, the xenomorphs also use bodies as construction material for their nests; they have even glued human furniture into the walls to help support their hive's integrity.
The fact that none of the bodies seen in the film were used for such a purpose would suggest otherwise.
I like the idea of aliens not having to eat...but is it even remotely plausible?
AvP Requiem has an alien chowing down, and while it does look a bit silly on screen, you would think aliens must eat to grow and function
The first, third and fourth creatures grew to full size within hours with no obvious source of sustenance. The Resurrection Aliens were full size and caged the entire time - there's no traces of what they may have eaten.
That's even before we get to the extreme silliness of AvP.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2014, 03:54:19 AMI guess the common argument would be that the bodies were taken for food. But that assumes they need to eat, and flies in the face of the distinct absence of blood stains anywhere in the colony.
Taking them back to eat makes sense, but then why mash them into the walls if you're just going to nibble on them?
Quote from: happypred on Nov 03, 2014, 07:20:10 AMAvP Requiem has an alien chowing down, and while it does look a bit silly on screen, you would think aliens must eat to grow and function
The Alien in
Alien 3 is arguably seen eating a corpse, although it's not really clear if he's just mauling it for lols.
I can't unsee the hands of the Aliens in Aliens now. Finished #2 and wasn't too fussed. It's another issue of set-up, really. That said, I'm curious to see what happens in regards to the last page. Hope it doesn't go anywhere silly. Aliens is the only one I'm not really too fussed with at the minute.
I'm wondering if Aliens is essentially telling Francis and Elden what happened.
I haven't gotten to read Aliens #2 yet as it hasn't come in the mail, but I did see the last page online and...
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I wonder if that character that we see rising out of the water with the xenomorph is being set up as some sort of Elden-like, xeno-controlling thing. Sort of halfway between Fifield and Elden.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2014, 04:14:15 AM
The fact that none of the bodies seen in the film were used for such a purpose would suggest otherwise.
They actually were, that's why they were glued to the walls, so that their decomposing corpses can also add structure to the hive's walls.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 03, 2014, 07:20:10 AM
I like the idea of aliens not having to eat...but is it even remotely plausible?
AvP Requiem has an alien chowing down, and while it does look a bit silly on screen, you would think aliens must eat to grow and function
According to Aliens: Criminal Enterprise, the Aliens need to eat as they grow up but then no longer require it when they become full adults.
They weren't glued to the walls to create a structure.
Nor were they particularly decomposing.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 03, 2014, 04:12:04 AM
According to the Aliens movie novelization, the xenomorphs also use bodies as construction material for their nests; they have even glued human furniture into the walls to help support their hive's integrity.
I might've bought that as a possibility, but they clearly don't need any supporting material in the finished movie. They're literally just pasting (or growing, infestation-style) resin over the pre-existing - very solid - metal corridors.
Cameron did make some skeletal corpse cocoons in miniature (they can be seen on the special features), but they were never shown on screen. Not even sure if they had been filmed.
The party's arguments about barricading themselves in or bringing the fight to the creatures is also frustratingly out of character for colonists who had just run
away from a situation where barricades failed and who had
no weapons to fight them, aside from impotent small arms and "seismic survey charges". They should be doing whatever they can to put as much distance between themselves and the ship.
IMO, they should've just been from another colony - or even an escape pod from a large and infested ship.
Bizarrely you can see a skeleton in the hive in Resurrection.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2014, 09:41:08 PMBizarrely you can see a skeleton in the hive in Resurrection.
Where abouts? I've never noticed that.
Just after the Newborn kills the Queen and turns to look at Ripley, there's a shot of Ripley backing away. It's on her right (left of frame).
What theories have been advanced to explain non-eating aliens? How do they gain energy from the environment?
I liked the one from the old RPG which said they ate to reach adulthood and to heal from wounds, but could effectively "recharge" from the energy of a light breeze.
That's assuming the alien doesn't have to eat to maintain mass. I wonder how that would work. Did the Anchorpoint Essays tackle this topic?
Im starting to feel Aliens is a comic Fox micromanaged. The creative team of this series said they had to rewrite some zegments. The other FnrS stories seem very original but Aliens feels like it is only there to tease River of Pain so it had to shoehorn hadleys hope in there. ( i very well could be wrong too) Im really liking this whole series but Aliens is my least favorite. Surprisingly Im liking the Predator and AVP story most.
im also stumped as to what Omega will reveal which is awesome because I loved being surprised by comics
Quote from: saintssinphony on Nov 04, 2014, 03:09:57 AM
im also stumped as to what Omega will reveal which is awesome because I loved being surprised by comics
I'm guessing it's just the denouement of the multiple story threads. It'd be great if it reveals something more but I wouldn't count on it
The first review of AvP #2 is up. Beware of some spoilers, as usual.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/11/04/review-alien-versus-predator-fire-and-stone-2-dark-horse/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/11/04/review-alien-versus-predator-fire-and-stone-2-dark-horse/)
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I wonder what this new addition is that turned off the reviewer so much. ???
I wonder if it's more a reference to Elden than anything else? That was always going to be a love-it/hate-it addition.
Definitely a possibility, though he seems to say positive things about Elden in the rest of the review. Maybe I was right about time travel. :laugh:
I'm interested to see what happens, in any case. I'm still waiting for my copy of Aliens #2, anyway.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 04, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Maybe I was right about time travel. :laugh:
If you are.. then this changes A LOT of things.
A more realistic possibility is that...
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Francis exposes himself to the accelerant and becomes a mutant like Elden.
I think maybe the reviewer is referencing
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the predator that is on the cover to #3 in his early stages of changing. Maybe Francis injects him?
Or Elden? To see what happens?
That could be, too. It will be cool to see what Olivetti does with the mutating Predator.
I have to admit...Olivetti's predators looks really, really clean
I completely don't get that sense of tribal, semi-primitive savagery. They truly are Klingons with dreadlocks...
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 05, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
That could be, too. It will be cool to see what Olivetti does with the mutating Predator.
I have been trying to figure out which pred is the victim and think i figured it out. His leather straps are slightly different on the cover than in AVP #1 but I think upon close inspection its the pred
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that galgo shoots with engineer gun
Also I read aliens #2 and found it way better than #1. What the hell is going on in that last scene? Im really interested to know.
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Well I`m abit underwhelmed with the last page of Alien 2. I thought accalarant won`t affect Alien as they are both Engineer`s creation.
Quote from: Master on Nov 05, 2014, 02:43:14 PM
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Well I`m abit underwhelmed with the last page of Alien 2. I thought accalarant won`t affect Alien as they are both Engineer`s creation.
I have a feeling we are going to find out just what and where this black goo came from in this series or it will be heavily implied as to the origin thus setting up for another story which would be bogus but I'm still excited for whatever.
Also, I can see the Deacon influence in all these creatures on LV223. So what could happen if a facehugger jumps on one of these creatures huh? Maybe the Deacon like mouth structure is to prevent this. Then from that I got to thinking what if the Deacon is a naturally competing species to the Alien or a genetically engineered species to compete with the alien?
I'm just speculating and having a bit of fun but I'm glad these comics are giving the story they give. I think I'm liking these stories way more than the actual story that was written in Prometheus, Predators and the AVP films.
Quote from: Master on Nov 05, 2014, 02:43:14 PM
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Well I`m abit underwhelmed with the last page of Alien 2. I thought accalarant won`t affect Alien as they are both Engineer`s creation.
That actually makes it more interesting imo.
Also, here are two more reviews for AVP #2. Both are positive, but the first one does have problems with the story. Obviously, spoilers will be inbound.
http://roqoodepot.com/comic-reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-2/ (http://roqoodepot.com/comic-reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-2/)
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-2/ (http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-2/)
Maybe, well see how they`ll handle it. Yet I`m abit dissapointed.
I just got done reading AVP#2. I found this the most brutal issue of the series so far. The art is something I'm more and more impressed by. At first, looking at previews for this series, I thought the art style didn't fit. Now though, I'm so glad to see art depicting these creatures in this way and to see the detail in some of the closeups and gore.
I'm going to go ahead and also say IMO Elden can monologue with the best of them. Elden monologues like Megatron in this issue, and like Megatron he is badass enough to monologue this way so I won't hold it against him.
The story had some interesting pieces of info regarding questions I had about things in Prometheus. I really really really hope Fox and everyone keeps their crap straight so we can take this Fire and Stone story in line with the films. I've never tried to put EU in context with the films but with the claims made by Fox and creators of Fire and Stone we will be able to make sane connections to the films and this series. I really hope so because there's some great stuff developing in this series that would be great to see in future films.
I really liked this one, very action heavy, very intense
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But it was Predator overkill and the accelerant from elden was supposed to be less potent dissastrous yet Predator turned like he was injected with T-virus!
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I'm dubbing the new predator Fingerface!
I'm really pleased so far with how these comics are going.
Just re read avp fire and stone 1 and 2. I feel this is proper Predator throwdown material. IMO they want brutality and if they get in a hand to hand fight they expect someone to get severely messed up. There's no blasting enemies from afar this is in your face Predator action and I really found this a sight for sore eyes.
Also I noticed some stuff this second read, the eyes of Elden changing and they eyes of these creatures give them a life and intense expression. Also I noticed his head shape doing odd stuff.
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also elden said "we created all this" while fighting the pred so did engineers create predators too or what? I think maybe he is saying they created the need to feel superior. It's got my brain thinking too much
I've really warmed up to this art too. I would really dig a short animated film with this type of artwork showcasing this issue. Maybe put some DethKlok "bloodlines" playing in the background.
Quote from: Skulexander on Nov 05, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
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I'm dubbing the new predator Fingerface!
I'm really pleased so far with how these comics are going.
Yes I think so too. Did you see that coming because I sure didn't!!!
Just re read avp fire and stone 1 and 2. I feel this is proper Predator throwdown material. IMO they want brutality and if they get in a hand to hand fight they expect someone to get severely messed up. There's no blasting enemies from afar this is in your face Predator action and I really found this a sight for sore eyes.
Also I noticed some stuff this second read, the eyes of Elden changing and they eyes of these creatures give them a life and intense expression. Also I noticed his head shape doing odd stuff.
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also elden said "we created all this" while fighting the pred so did engineers create predators too or what? I think maybe he is saying they created the need to feel superior. It's got my brain thinking too much
I've really warmed up to this art too. I would really dig a short animated film with this type of artwork showcasing this issue. Maybe put some DethKlok "bloodlines" playing in the background.
Quote from: Skulexander on Nov 05, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
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I'm dubbing the new predator Fingerface!
I'm really pleased so far with how these comics are going.
Yes I think so too. Did you see that coming because I sure didn't!!!
OK, I've read AvP #2. A few points...
1. Olivetti's predator faces really don't look like predator faces. Olivetti really really butchers the predator facial design
2.
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2 of the predators die, 1 becomes a mutant. We're effectively down to a lone predator after the first real battle. A bit quick...but that's essentially what AvP 2004 does early in the film. Maybe this way the remaining predator gets to shine. He's the closest thing to a protagonist the reader has rather than the somewhat annoying Francis
3. Is it just me or do the predators not like to use their shoulder cannons?
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Yeah...a torso shot is useless against Elden but what about a head shot. Shouldn't the predators be trying to focus fire him? When the predator with the tracker mask confronts the hulk-like mutant monstrosity his comrade has become...he never tries to shoot it with his shoulder cannon. Is he scared witless? Beats me
4. Aliens often badly drawn
5.
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The hulk predator's armour apparently expands with him
6. Light on actual Aliens vs. Predator action
7.
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Blooding of Elden really random
This issue is OK. It's not bad but it's not great. I'm curious to see where it goes but I can't say I'm impressed. The predator faces look really really off. The aliens often look weird, especially the jaws and limbs. I hope issue #3 starts to focus more on actual AvP
I finally got Aliens #2 in the mail today. Not a great issue, but the last page sets up some potentially cool stuff for the next two issues.
I can't help but feel that they could have just had Russel escape from LV-426 all by himself and the story would have been better. The other human characters are doing nothing for me.
At least River of Pain is coming out soon. This issue is pretty unsubtle about hyping for that book: "didn't find any of those eggs that the Jordens did on LV-426," "after what happened with the ship on Acheron, " etc.
AvP 2
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Very slow moving overall. Takes nearly the whole issue to detail Elden's run in with the Predators. And coupling his 'belly mouth' and 'dorsal hands' with the final panel of Aliens #2 I'm really hoping this doesn't become too Thing-ish.
Man, I really want to love AvP2, but Elden's dialogue is so terrible at points. I wish they would have kept him silent through most of that.
Full review here: http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-2-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-2-review/)
Still really enjoyed the comic on the whole though. I think right now, it's AvP > Prometheus > Predator > Aliens in terms of my ranking so far.
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For those of you who have read AVP issue 2, I would like to know something.
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Does the predator who got his arm bit by Elden become the mutated predator?
Yes.
Quote from: Quarax on Nov 06, 2014, 11:43:25 PM
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Francis is using the wrong handle on his Smart Gun.
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So I assume...
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That Francis exposes himself to the accelerant, given his bulging muscles. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him going forward.
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Don't think it's meant to be a smartgun as we know it, what with no harness, despite the similarities.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2014, 12:48:46 AM
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Don't think it's meant to be a smartgun as we know it, what with no harness, despite the similarities.
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It's still got the infrared detector, though.
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I think it's artistic interpretation.
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The panel you posted earlier has his right hand on the loading mechanism as if he's got his finger on the trigger.
How is a dude coughing up blood due to terminal cancer carrying a smartgun around like it's nothing anyway?
I assume the Predators depicted in the comic are Black Super Predators?
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The way Elden describes their behavior seems very reminiscent of bullies rather than the noble warriors that we know the classic Yautja to be, also one of the Predators even sports Mr. Black's mask from Predators and the scene of one of the Predators mutating gives it a face that looks very reminiscent to the distorted face of the BSPs.
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I assume the Predators depicted in the comic are Black Super Predators?
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The way Elden describes their behavior seems very reminiscent of bullies rather than the noble warriors that we know the classic Yautja to be, also one of the Predators even sports Mr. Black's mask from Predators and the scene of one of the Predators mutating gives it a face that looks very reminiscent to the distorted face of the BSPs.
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They don't look at all like Super Predators and one offers Elden a weapon and then marks him.
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Even the BSPs showed some honor, Falconer could have blown Hanzo to bits but chose to honorably duel him. As I said, the face of the mutated Predator as he mutates looks rather similar to the BSPs, imo.
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Super Predators have big lower mandibles - these don't.
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I see some hints of BSP features from this mutating Predator.. Is it possible that the BSPs are a result of the Black liquid that is somehow controlled? Unlikely but.. thought provoking. Otherwise, I think this is artistic interpretation.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2014, 02:15:14 AM
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They don't look at all like Super Predators and one offers Elden a weapon and then marks him.
What? WHY? Wasn't Elden KILLING these Predators?
You want me to spoil it?
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He was. One of them wised up and recognised a superior opponent.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2014, 05:02:16 AM
You want me to spoil it?
Dude, I ain't picking up the comic. So you don't have to worry about spoiling anything for me.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2014, 05:02:16 AM
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He was. One of them wised up and recognised a superior opponent.
Mmmh.. That's.. Eh heh heh heh.
Elden: The Albino Mutant T-1000 with Non-Stop Speech Function
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Re-read the issue. Yeah...the predators seem to really have something against using their shoulder cannons. The predator massacred by the hulk predator mutant doesn't fire a single shot
Quote from: happypred on Nov 07, 2014, 05:21:27 AM
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Re-read the issue. Yeah...the predators seem to really have something against using their shoulder cannons. The predator massacred by the hulk predator mutant doesn't fire a single shot
I can see them not using plasma casters against smaller prey who are only armed with melee weapons or no weapons.. But I would think that Predators would have exceptions of use of that weapon. Especially when it comes to larger prey. You know, to level the playing field a bit.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 07, 2014, 05:30:04 AM
I can see them not using plasma casters against smaller prey who are only armed with melee weapons or no weapons.. But I would think that Predators would have exceptions of use of that weapon. Especially when it comes to larger prey. You know, to level the playing field a bit.
This predator clearly knew that his chances of dying within the next few moments were exceedingly high
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...yet he decides to use wristblades instead of plasma caster
I'm not trying to be one of those hard-to-please fans but the action is a bit of a let-down. Olivetti's art gets sloppy in certain panels and as I've said, the actual Aliens vs. Predator action is quite sparse.
So far the action hasn't been as satisfying as that of, say, the original AvP comic, War, Duel, Blood Time, Civilised Beasts etc.
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I see some hints of BSP features from this mutating Predator.. Is it possible that the BSPs are a result of the Black liquid that is somehow controlled? Unlikely but.. thought provoking.
That thought occurred to me as well.
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The accelerant would've likely have been diluted through Elden's 'blood' - yet the Predator went bug shit minutes later.
When the predator with the tracker helm sees finger face, he sh*ts his loin cloth...I like how that's conveyed without words. Just body language
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2014, 08:45:24 AM
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The accelerant would've likely have been diluted through Elden's 'blood' - yet the Predator went bug shit minutes later.
That issue is the only thing i had a problem with. Id think it would make it worse.
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Quote from: Master on Nov 05, 2014, 07:58:42 PMSpoiler
But it was Predator overkill!
How so?
I expressed myself poorly. Too many Preds died in one scene.
Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2014, 08:45:24 AM
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The accelerant would've likely have been diluted through Elden's 'blood' - yet the Predator went bug shit minutes later.
Yeah I was pointing that too. It looked like something from RE games.
Quote from: Master on Nov 07, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
I expressed myself poorly. Too many Preds died in one scene.
I'm not even reading the comic and already I'm getting the impression that the Worf effect is being applied to the Predators now. Really, it just seems they're lining up just so Elden can kill them.
Well, that's not entirely fair
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Elden kills one predator and hulk predator kills another one. That's a grand total of 2 dead predators and 1 mutated one. This allows the remaining predator to have a chance to shine...maybe
Well mutated hulk predator is not our beloved creature anymore. The point is there's only one out of four left for us to refer/root for.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 07, 2014, 05:03:18 PM
Well, that's not entirely fair
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Elden kills one predator and hulk predator kills another one. That's a grand total of 2 dead predators and 1 mutated one. This allows the remaining predator to have a chance to shine...maybe
This reminds me of the AVP movies too much.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 07, 2014, 11:37:12 PM
This reminds me of the AVP movies too much.
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Highly likely team-up between remaining pred and Francis a la Scar and Lex. At least Requiem has none of that. I would be pleasantly surprised if the lone predator simply walks away from Francis because he's physically ill like Weyland in AvP 2004[/spolier]
You know, it's funny that the writers claimed they wanted to avoid touching on the AVP movies, but here they're still very much following on their style.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2014, 01:31:07 AM
You know, it's funny that the writers claimed they wanted to avoid touching on the AVP movies, but here they're still very much following on their style.
To be honest, I do not see any real similarities between this AVP comic and the films except for the predators of course. True, they are being treated as nothing more than canon fodder for the villian in this series, but that is where the similarities stop. If anything, this comic breathes fresh life into the whole AVP concept. Adding in the themes and ideas from Prometheus really makes it new. They have stuck with the fundamentals of what makes AVP work. Aliens and Predators fight in space. Humans are caught in the middle. It goes on like that. Neither species is ever present on earth. It is set far in the future. It is just right. Plus, I really think that Elden is a really cool character.
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He has abilities similar to John Carpenter's the Thing. I mean, how can you not like that?
I understand that everyone has an opinion on things. I respect that. However, this miniseries clearly does not follow the films at all.
As long as we don't get a single hero Predator saving the day then I'm happy.
I actually do not think that is going to happen.
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From the cover of issue 4, it looks as if the Predator and Elden may actually team up. I know that may seem silly, but in the context of the story, it does really show the sense of honor that the predators have. This predator realized that the odds are stacked against him. He knows that he can handle the xenos, but Elden is a completely different opponent. He accepts him as the better man, and they now realize that they both need to stop the mutant predator and the xenos.
I'm just left here wondering how in the hell a synthetic, a being made of inorganic matter is somehow mutating from a watered down version of the black liquid. I'm with Xenomorphine on this one, I've always thought that the liquid needed organic matter and genetic material in order for something to accelerate and mutate.
That is indeed a mystery. That actually brings up a question that I have. This is for people on here who have read Prometheus #2.
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Did Francis inject the goo into Elden in that issue? Was it revealed whether or not if Elden was a full blown synthetic or something else?
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Nov 08, 2014, 04:03:16 AM
That is indeed a mystery. That actually brings up a question that I have. This is for people on here who have read Prometheus #2.
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Did Francis inject the goo into Elden in that issue? Was it revealed whether or not if Elden was a full blown synthetic or something else?
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Yes, Francis injects Elden in Prometheus #2, but we aren't given any more information about what Elden is. Francis calls him a "construct", but at this point it isn't clear how, or if, that's different from a regular synthetic.
Alright, that clears up some confusion Ultramorph. Thank you for replying.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 08, 2014, 04:13:16 AM
Francis calls him a "construct", but at this point it isn't clear how, or if, that's different from a regular synthetic.
From what the visual panels present to us, Elden is nothing but a synthetic. He's got the internal hardware and workings of a standard issue synthetic. The term construct can be a term practically applied to anything.. Remember Call's statement to Ripley 8 in Resurrection?
"You're a thing! A construct! They grew you in a f**king lab!"
We know that Elden is not a clone of sorts. And from the internal workings and hardware which the panel's show us.. From my interpretation, he's nothing more than a synthetic. As far as I am aware, no bonus material or in-universe story device has indicated to us how he is different from David 8, Ash, Bishop or Call aside from appearance and model.
So I don't think him being labeled as a construct is an indication he's something else.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 08, 2014, 03:50:57 AM
I'm just left here wondering how in the hell a synthetic, a being made of inorganic matter is somehow mutating from a watered down version of the black liquid. I'm with Xenomorphine on this one, I've always thought that the liquid needed organic matter and genetic material in order for something to accelerate and mutate.
I haven't read this but a robot mutating makes no sense... Really, that makes absolutely no sense. I get that this is just a comic book but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to adhere to basic logic.
Yeah I really don't understand why they chose a synthetic to demonstrate what the diluted form of the goo does, maybe they just wanted a reversal of Holloway and David?
If synths are affected by the black goo then I'd like to ask why David wasn't when he touched it in the movie.
I was thinking elden may have actual organic skin. Terminators have blood and skin covering them. Also we see david eating some type of food so he could have some components that are "alive" so I would say Elden does too. In fact Elden is almost 200 years ahead of the David 8 model. Why not give constructs organic properties so vaccines and other experiments could be done on them?
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
If synths are affected by the black goo then I'd like to ask why David wasn't when he touched it in the movie.
David only got a small speck on his thumb. It didnt get inside him as Elden was injected with a dose. About that also,
I believe Francis lied about how much he was going to give Elden. Francis said a small diluted dose but he puts a whole syringe of it in Elden.
Even if you touch a liquid, it still seeps into your body.
The first review of Prometheus #3 is up. It is positive. As always, it will contain spoilers.
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4443-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-3 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4443-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-3)
Olivetti's predators look really weird. Not really classics and not really supers...
I saw his early concept art but I'm a bit surprised he actually implemented it in the comic
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His aliens are sloppily drawn in numerous panels as well. I'm starting to appreciate the art of Aliens F&S
Quote from: happypred on Nov 09, 2014, 02:02:54 AM
Olivetti's predators look really weird. Not really classics and not really supers.
Olivetti is not one whom I would really want to draw Predators. At least here they sort of look like Predators, though not necessarily which of the specified species (Yautja or Super Predators?) as they have the heads of the normal Predators, bodies and feet of the Super Predators. Chalk it up to artistic license rather than staying truthful to either race of the Predators.
Personally.. I don't like it when Olivetti draws Predators. He either ends up making them look like Orcs (Superman and Batman vs Alien and Predator) or they look like something of a mish mash of different Predators. With Olivetti, if it's not one thing it's definitely another.
Just looking at that face of the Predator he drew reminds me of the Spider creatures from the Mist with how the mandibles are drawn.
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The face above is pretty awful. Mooneyham's Ahab looks f**king incredible in comparison. Not saying Ahab's face looks incredible in and of itself...but it actually looks like a predator face instead of a mutated spider face
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Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2014, 11:29:50 PMEven if you touch a liquid, it still seeps into your body.
With humans, yeah. We've no idea what David's skin is made of. Perfectly plausible it's entirely impermeable.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 09, 2014, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2014, 11:29:50 PMEven if you touch a liquid, it still seeps into your body.
With humans, yeah. We've no idea what David's skin is made of. Perfectly plausible it's entirely impermeable.
The latest androids were designed to be as human as possible because many humans were uncomfortable working with fake humans; in Alien: Isolation, Samuels can be seen sweating during the opening cinematic so there's a good chance that David is more "human" than that.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 09, 2014, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2014, 11:29:50 PMEven if you touch a liquid, it still seeps into your body.
With humans, yeah. We've no idea what David's skin is made of. Perfectly plausible it's entirely impermeable.
The latest androids were designed to be as human as possible because many humans were uncomfortable working with fake humans; in Alien: Isolation, Samuels can be seen sweating during the opening cinematic so there's a good chance that David is more "human" than that.
There is a 44-year gap in between
Prometheus and
Isolation.
Also, according to the Weyland site, "An advanced polyurethane coating replicates the biological properties of human skin to exact texture, pliability and tensile strength."
I dunno, a LOT of the tech in the subsequent Alien films were complete garbage compared to Prometheus's technology.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Even if you touch a liquid, it still seeps into your body.
Clearly not.
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Quotein Alien: Isolation, Samuels can be seen sweating during the opening cinematic so there's a good chance that David is more "human" than that.
Thanks for spoiling that.
Ash sweats and he's a more advanced model than David.
Oh shit, you still haven't played it yet? My bad, SM. :( I thought everybody knew, many of the game's reviews were already pointing it out.
I picked up the digital copy of AvP# 2 the other day, and this was definitely a mixed bag. My full thoughts, with spoilers, are below.
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First off, I have to agree with people that the art in this issue was disappointing. That's strange, given the fact that I liked the art in issue #1 quite a bit. Here, though, I think we're seeing a bit of "middle issues artwork decline"; my guess is that the final issue will look much better. The Predators do look too clean, but my biggest complaint is that the visual storytelling with them isn't nearly as strong as it was in the previous or in Predator #1. I kept finding myself going back to earlier pages and looking at helmets to try and keep the Predators straight. I did have to laugh when the accelerated Predator's armor grew in size with him. It must be made out of the same materials as the Hulk's giant purple pants. :laugh: Otherwise, I am looking forward to seeing how the Predator's grotesque evolution unfolds.
The xenomorphs are just plain sloppy here. I'm fine with this comic being more about Elden and black goo shenanigans, but it would have been nice to have a bit more, well, Aliens vs Predators in this AvP comic, and it would have been nice if what we had gotten had been a bit more dynamic. But I guess since the xenos were an afterthought in the script, it makes sense that they would be an afterthought in the art. :-\ Also, Elden asking the xenos if they know where Francis is just came off as ludicrous to me. Maybe it was just how bluntly he asked.
As far as the writing goes, for me this issue was on the borderline between crazy fun and just a plain old mess. I'm starting to think that the AvP leg of Fire and Stone will basically be like Gremlins 2: it will just keep throwing in more and more crazy stuff and upping the ante until it reaches critical mass and implodes in on itself. Whether this will happen in a satisfying way, or whether it will be a repeat of the final three issues of DotS, remains to be seen.
I didn't mind Elden's monologue as much as other reviewers, but I do agree that this issue, like Aliens #2, would have benefited from less exposition dumping. This issue says a lot without really adding much to the story or the mythology, and I'm beginning to have the same creeping sense of dread that I had when I realized the Prometheus movie only had ten more minutes left and wouldn't be answering any of the questions it raised. I have my fingers crossed that Fire and Stone kicks it into a better gear in the second half.
I guess my biggest problem was that this issue just keeps adding new elements that I'm worried won't pan out. The scene where the Predator bloods Elden is interesting, but the mediocre framing and art really killed it for me. So the weird plants that spring up in Elden's path are actually parasitic, and the accelerant does heal Francis, rather than mutate him? Or will he start to mutate in some horrible way later? Will the accelerated Predator story-arc go anywhere interesting? Are we going to have a repeat of Galgo and Ahab's relationship with Francis and the surviving Predator? If Issue 3 and 4 turn out to be good, this issue will look better in retrospect, but as it stands, the lackluster art and and "throw everything at the fan!" storytelling left a bad taste in my mouth. It wan't a terrible issue, but I expected better after liking issue #1 so much.
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Quote from: predxeno on Nov 08, 2014, 11:29:50 PMEven if you touch a liquid, it still seeps into your body.
With humans, yeah. We've no idea what David's skin is made of. Perfectly plausible it's entirely impermeable.
I was under the impression that all the equipment, including David, were high end on the Prometheus Expedition. And as John Hammond said frequently in
JURASSIC PARK,
"We spared no expense.", as we saw with the surgical suite. It wouldn't surprise me David was built to be a little more hyperallergenic, or be proofed against contracting or carrying any pathogens. In case he needed to perform any medical procedures on Mr. Weyland.
David was the latest model android at that point.
Elden is quite a few generations beyond that.
Quote from: SM on Nov 09, 2014, 09:43:45 PMThanks for spoiling that.
It wasn't really supposed to be a secret anyways.
Don't recall seeing it mentioned in any pre-release material.
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 05:30:21 AM
Don't recall seeing it mentioned in any pre-release material.
Yeah, I found that strange, but the first time you talk to him in-game he makes it pretty obvious.
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When? I watched the intro when they meet while she's welding something and didn't see anything that would give it away.
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2014, 05:39:55 AM
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When? I watched the intro when they meet while she's welding something and didn't see anything that would give it away.
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In-game. You walk up to him and he says he doesn't need as much sleep as the rest of them.
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Haven't seen that bit. Nevertheless, bit of consideration for one's fellow posters in a thread already full of Spoiler tags wouldn't go astray.
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The Predators do look too clean, but my biggest complaint is that the visual storytelling with them isn't nearly as strong as it was in the previous or in Predator #1. I kept finding myself going back to earlier pages and looking at helmets to try and keep the Predators straight.
Yes, it's definitely hard to tell them apart and they don't do much other than
Quotekill a few xenomorphs and die/mutate
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I did have to laugh when the accelerated Predator's armor grew in size with him.
Indeed, it's like they didn't think it through
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The xenomorphs are just plain sloppy here.
Yes, the xenomorphs are
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terribly drawn...
Look at these aliens, they're fine
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#2 is really garbage in comparison
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AvP leg of Fire and Stone will basically be like Gremlins 2
Please no...
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I didn't mind Elden's monologue
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Neither do I. I think #2's downfall is its art. The clean predators and the sloppy aliens...those problems and the lack of actual Aliens vs. Predator action
I'm enjoying Elden - I'm quite liking his monologuing. Shame they're very little Alien vs Predator action at this point. :-\
Whilst I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with the...
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mutated Predator
I don't like how a bite - I think it was? - did that. Seems too...zombie to me. Also liked the last page when...
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the Aliens seemingly turned against Elden
But without seeing how they came together in the Prometheus series, it's not quite as interesting. I really dislike how they've structured the release of these.
Seemed like more filler to me. I want to start getting ramped up some more!
I sort of go back and forth on the release order. It is kind of cool to have AvP #1 leave us saying "What's going on with Elden?" only to have Prometheus #2 start explaining just that a week later. Then that raises questions that Aliens #2 starts answering, etc. On the other hand, I do agree that it's getting kind of numbing to have all four stories floating around with no resolution as of yet. I'm interested to see how Dark Horse handles the collected editions.
Back on the AvP note, I was looking at the January solicitations and...
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I think we'll wind up seeing Francis turn into something like Elden or Fifield. Obviously, the bolding is my own:
QuoteAs a desperate scientist's violent evolution reaches its deadly apex, an alien-and-predator battle royale erupts in the bowels of the doomed Geryon armada! Now, on a ship of killers—there can be only one survivor . . .
Prometheus Fire and Stone #3 might be my favorite of all of these now. The series has surpassed the AvP ones for me. Really curious to see where things in the Predator line go though.
f**kin hell, these are all solid comics. Might have to go buy them when they're all out. I want to have them.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Nov 11, 2014, 02:50:35 AMf**kin hell, these are all solid comics. Might have to go buy them when they're all out. I want to have them.
I agree that they're all solid. AvP #2 has its pitfalls but it's not terrible. I'm still looking forward to #3. I just happen to be a picky reader, especially after the massive disappointment of Three World War and its children's cartoon art. Don't even get me started. Olivetti's aliens are sloppy but his art is still far preferable to TWW's garbage.
I think these comics will shine once they're released in a collection arranged according to their natural order: Aliens, Prometheus, AvP/Predator (concurrent events)
I will always disagree with that. I think the style of 3WW suited the action sections very well. But it did look so lazy when nothing was happening.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 11, 2014, 09:19:45 AM
But it did look so lazy when nothing was happening.
Therein lies the problem. I remember that Aliens comic with the moronic art. Aliens Havoc I believe it's called, considerably worse than even TWW. Yeah...I'm not a fan of children's picture book art for an Aliens/Predator/AvP comic
Here is another review for Prometheus #3. This one is more of a mixed review, but the review itself is kind of mixed with some stupid and valid criticisms. This review obviously contains spoilers.
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/11/11/is-it-good-prometheus-fire-and-stone-3-review/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/11/11/is-it-good-prometheus-fire-and-stone-3-review/)
Another positive, 5/5 review. Beware of spoilers, as usual.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/11/11/review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-3-of-4-dark-horse/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/11/11/review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-3-of-4-dark-horse/)
Prometheus #3
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Best ish of the series so far. Artwork is top notch, Galgo is a soulless sociopathic f**khole, Elden is literally a soulless f**khole, but at least he has motives, Francis is on the road to becoming a soulless f**khole, Angela is annoying as shit, merficully that annoying Clara from issue 1 has very little to do. She in the background in a number of panels, but hass effectively dropped out of the story. Same with that irritating doctor she interviewed in issue 1.
But Galgo's betrayal and whatever the Engineer is up to with those dead/ comatose Aliens really surprised me. And those two factors alone make up for the fact that's there's no one to really root for.
Oh, and no continuity errors this time.
I started reading the Dark Horse Aliens series at the beginning of time when Mark Verheiden and Mark A. Nelson did the first series back around '88. That was a lot of fun. I found that the entire Aliens / Predator line of comics sputtered and lost its steam around the Aliens: Colonial Marines series of comics. That's when I stopped reading. I did pick up the omnibi recently and made myself read through them to see if I was right, and for the most part I think I was. Something is just missing in those books that were issued after Aliens Book three (now known as Aliens Female War).
The Prometheus movie renewed my interest in the Aliens series at the same time as it pushed me away from the AVP idea. I find Predators to be just sort of cheesy since the AVP movies came out. The movies literally ruined the comics for me.
And now we have the Fire and Stone series. I picked up every issue out of my interest in Prometheus. Yes there are some cheesy elements and inconsistencies but damn these books are fun! I can't recall the last time I had this much fun reading anything Aliens related in comic book format. The art is superb particularly in the Prometheus comics and really catches the visual spirit of the film. The Aliens series does not catch the visual spirit of James Cameron's film, but it works in informing the Prometheus, AVP and Predator comics. I am really enjoying this entire series and find that I can't wait for the next issue to come out. The fact that they are all being released so close in time to each other really helps to satisfy my appetite, but I have to say it is a bit annoying to know the outcome of each series (other than the last: Predator) because you are reading all the series simultaneously. I understand why all the comics are released simultaneously for marketing reasons and they are too fun to resist reading them all simultaneously but damn if the series isn't one big spoiler alert. I wish I had the inner strength to resist reading everything that happens after the Aliens F&S series but I just don't and that says something for this latest series from Dark Horse.
The first review for Predator issue 2 is here, and it is a positive one. Spoilers should be obvious.
http://www.confreaksandgeeks.com/predator-fire-stone-2-review/ (http://www.confreaksandgeeks.com/predator-fire-stone-2-review/)
I'm enjoying the Predator art the most. I really hope they show more of Ahab's past hunts. He's the next Broken Tusk/Smiley
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I'm enjoying the Predator art the most. I really hope they show more of Ahab's past hunts. He's the next Broken Tusk/Smiley
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I cannot wait to see him take on the engineer! I wonder. Is this the same engineer that is also in the Alien and Prometheus stories?
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Quote from: happypred on Nov 14, 2014, 05:03:51 PM
I'm enjoying the Predator art the most. I really hope they show more of Ahab's past hunts. He's the next Broken Tusk/Smiley
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I cannot wait to see him take on the engineer! I wonder. Is this the same engineer that is also in the Alien and Prometheus stories?
If I may hazard a guess...yes
I think they should draw inspiration from South China Sea for non-xenomorph prey of the Yautja
The first review of Aliens #3 is up, and it is mostly positive. Beware of spoilers.
http://whatchareading.com/review-aliens-fire-stone-3-thought-provokingly-creepy/ (http://whatchareading.com/review-aliens-fire-stone-3-thought-provokingly-creepy/)
Just finished Predator #2. Review will be live tomorrow.
On the whole, I liked it. There's some nice twists to the tired Predator + human storyline going on, and that's great. But something about this one just didn't grip me like the last one did.
Still tons of fun though. But it's hard to live up to that Prometheus #3
HOLY SHIT GUYS, I think I'm onto something...
MAJOR, MAJOR spoilers.
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Seriously, it's going to ruin a great surprise for you.
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The Deacon is still alive, and is the size of a mountain!
in fact, he IS the mountain!!
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If this has been pointed out before, I am sorry.
Quote from: bobby brown on Nov 18, 2014, 03:43:35 PM
HOLY SHIT GUYS, I think I'm onto something...
MAJOR, MAJOR spoilers.
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Seriously, it's going to ruin a great surprise for you.
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The Deacon is still alive, and is the size of a mountain!
in fact, he IS the mountain!!
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If this has been pointed out before, I am sorry.
I've had the same thought, though the idea rings a tad bit silly. Still, it could very well turn out to be the truth.
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Elden does say that the mountain is growing despite a lack of seismic activity.
QuoteI've had the same thought, though the idea rings a tad bit silly. Still, it could very well turn out to be the truth.
Everything in this comic series is silly :P
Dont get me wrong, Im having fun with it.
But some of it...
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Is the most stupid shit ever. mutants EVERYWHERE, alien goes thing, predator hulk, mutant robots, alien sized mountains.... Thank god it's only a comic.
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Everything in this comic series is silly :P
Dont get me wrong, Im having fun with it.
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Is the most stupid shit ever. mutants EVERYWHERE, alien goes thing, predator hulk, mutant robots, alien sized mountains.... Thank god it's only a comic.
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We do not really know if the mountain is actually the Deacon. For all we know, it could be the deacons building there own hive of sorts. They could just be terraforming the planet just like the xenomorphs. This is supported by what Patric Reynolds, the artist for the Aliens book, posted online which in turn was shared in the Dark Horse Fire and Stone previews thread by Ultramorph.
http://i.instagram.com/p/u3j02sOvFr/ (http://i.instagram.com/p/u3j02sOvFr/)
As for Elden, I do not think that he is 100% a synthetic. In the preview video for the AVP books, Kelly Sue Deconnick refers to Elden as a construct in the same vein as the Frankenstein monster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbs9WmGmtPA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbs9WmGmtPA#ws)
I also actually really like the mutated Predator and the Alien/human hybrid mutuant. They both look quite frightening. While it sounds like a silly concept on paper, they have made it fit into the mythos quite well imo.
More reviews http://wethenerdy.com/predator-fire-and-stone-2-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/predator-fire-and-stone-2-review/)
So at what point did the predator get the name Ahab? Because I've been operating under, "he has no name" which is kind of bothersome.
They announced the Ahab name at ECCC back in March, and it became official, I suppose, when Neca released their figure for SDCC.
Predator #2 is pretty sweet, some nice action and I like how Ahab has personality and a background
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Some new predator tech: the predator "handcuff"
Any idea why there are piles of dead xenomorphs?
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Any idea why there are piles of dead xenomorphs?
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It's not entirely clear yet what's going on, but we saw an Engineer collecting dead xenos and piling them up in Prometheus #3. Whether it's hunting them, collecting samples, or something else entirely is still an open question.
I loved seeing...
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Galgo get demasculated by the Predator, considering what he's done, it was hilarious. ;D
Quote from: happypred on Nov 20, 2014, 02:38:44 AM
Predator #2 is pretty sweet, some nice action and I like how Ahab has personality and a background
Yeah. That was for sure a highlight. The writers have fleshed him out fairly well given that he can't speak English and is also a giant alien monster who wants to kill shit for fun.
A new review for Aliens #3 is up. Spoilers are a given.
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4500-Aliens-Fire-And-Stone-3 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4500-Aliens-Fire-And-Stone-3)
I thoroughly enjoyed Predator #2. We're a bit over halfway through Fire and Stone, and I think the best is yet to come.
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Williamson knocked it out of the park with the relationship between Galgo and Ahab. It's refreshing to have a Predator with some attitude. The art was also quite good. Ahab looks raw, which again, is a nice change from some of the cleaner Predators we've seen recently, including in the AvP arm of FaS.
I have to say, the release order has won me over. It's clear at this point how methodically this was micro-planned. In AvP #2 we were left wondering how Elden and the xenomorphs came together in the first place, and that was answered the following week in Prometheus #3. That issue left us with Galgo bailing on Angela and crew, and now a week later, we have him returning to deal with the consequences of those actions. DH is really making the non-linear storytelling work much better than we could have expected.
I'm also very much digging how Williamson has combined a very traditional "Predator in the jungle" story with a creeping sense of unease ala Prometheus. The piles of dead xenomorphs is definitely troubling, and works extremely well for foreshadowing how much of a hard time Ahab is going to have taking down the Engineer. Predator #4 and Prometheus Omega are going to be intense.
It will also be cool to see how Angela and the other survivors gel with the main duo.
Overall, I think it's safe to say that the final half of FaS is going to be quite explosive.
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I agree that the release order is working really well so far. And it's almost like a nightmare where everything you do just brings you back to where you started. As annoying as Angela has been in Prometheus, I'm glad that she may have some chance at payback on Galgo.
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...as in become Galgo's love interest?
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You've just discovered a way for her to become even more annoying.
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Just finished Alien: Fire and Stone #3. Solid comic. Def the best of the Alien ones, and some nice payoff given the amount of talking/exposition in Issue 2.
Enjoyed the hell out of the last few pages.
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Just finished Alien: Fire and Stone #3. Solid comic. Def the best of the Alien ones, and some nice payoff given the amount of talking/exposition in Issue 2. Enjoyed the hell out of the last few pages.
Would you mind posting some spoilers?
I've read the first issue of most of these but put them on hold for now...waiting til Prophet: Earth War begins/concludes to make time for any other comics. What I'd really like to know is: do the Fire and Stone comics become /more original in storyline as they proceed on or does it feel like a rehash/recycling of tropes (my 1st impressions)? Also, are the Engineers explored in greater detail or are they about as developed as in the film?
They probably are recycling tropes, but the way it's presented by teasing out bits of the story across different timeframes makes it seem quite fresh.
I haven't touched a single issue of this, but I'm quite curious. Do you think it will hold up if I were to get the TPBs when all is said and done and read them as individual stories, or do they kind of have to be read in the intertwined way they were released to get the full effect?
Also, do the Predators feel tacked on to the overall story in any way? Because that's one of the things that I feel kind of wary about, since this seems to be primarily Alien/Prometheus mythology heavy and I was kind of hoping that Fox try to move the franchises farther apart post-AVPR/Predators/Prometheus.
The setting is very obviously Alien centred. They don't feel tacked on at the moment, but then I'm not a big Predator fan anyway.
I don't know how they'll pan out in TPB format. Be interesting to see which telling of the story works better.
Good to hear that the Predators don't really feel intrusive, even to a non-fan.
I'm assuming they'll do an Omnibus-type compilation at some point as well. It'll be interesting to see how they lay out the stories in there. By series (most likely), by release, date, in some sort of chronological order...
I'll qualify by saying I thought their introduction was a bit arbitrary, but once it gets going it seems okay.
I'm assuming it's something convenient like them just happening to show up for a hunting trip when the humans arrive?
No.
But considering how vast the cosmos is, it's still convenient.
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I was a bit surprised when the Aliens and a mutated Cale showed up to slaughter everyone, but then again I suppose there wouldn't be any survivors from the Onager if by Prometheus's time the planet was still largely unexplored. I'm getting the bad feeling that Russell isn't going to be making it out of this, either. :(
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 29, 2014, 02:55:54 AM
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I was a bit surprised when the Aliens and a mutated Cale showed up to slaughter everyone, but then again I suppose there wouldn't be any survivors from the Onager if by Prometheus's time the planet was still largely unexplored. I'm getting the bad feeling that Russell isn't going to be making it out of this, either. :(
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Usually in these type of stories, the ones who lose their minds easily die. It would be one thing if he was a Colonial Marine, but as just a colonist, he has no chance. The only way that he can survive is if somehow he convinces the Engineer to help him.
I just finished Aliens #3, and although it wasn't bad, I was a bit underwhelmed by it.
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It was disappointing how Russel took a backseat in this issue to some of the less interesting characters, but I have decent hopes based on how this issue ends that we won't have to worry about those characters anymore. I remain optimistic that issue #4 will have a decent pay-off. I'm not expecting Russel to live, but I also suspect that his death will be implied to happen shortly after the conclusion of the series, IE we'll last see him talking to Rover as the xenomorphs close in.
One thing this issue did excite me for is what the resolution to the "Deacon mountain" will be.
Hopefully AvP #3 is less underwhelming than issue #2.
Speaking of which, the first review of AvP #3 is out, and it is a 5/5. It's also very spoilery, so be warned.
http://whatchareading.com/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/ (http://whatchareading.com/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/)
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I just finished Aliens #3, and although it wasn't bad, I was a bit underwhelmed by it.
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It was disappointing how Russel took a backseat in this issue to some of the less interesting characters, but I have decent hopes based on how this issue ends that we won't have to worry about those characters anymore. I remain optimistic that issue #4 will have a decent pay-off. I'm not expecting Russel to live, but I also suspect that his death will be implied to happen shortly after the conclusion of the series, IE we'll last see him talking to Rover as the xenomorphs close in.
One thing this issue did excite me for is what the resolution to the "Deacon mountain" will be.
Hopefully AvP #3 is less underwhelming than issue #2.
Speaking of which, the first review of AvP #3 is out, and it is a 5/5. It's also very spoilery, so be warned.
http://whatchareading.com/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/ (http://whatchareading.com/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/)
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If I may ask, is it revealed that the "mountain" is actually a result from the deacon hive terraforming the planet?
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Nothing has been revealed about it yet. Russel just mentions how the mountain is growing, and how that's strange. I suspect that we'll have to wait until Prometheus: Omega for definitie answers.
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Actually, Patric Reynolds did post that unfinished panel of the deacon hive attacking either the LV-426 colonists or the crew from the Prometheus story arc. I think that we will get our first look of the deacons in Prometheus Fire and Stone #4 as the crew says in the issue's preview that the xenomorphs stopped following them into the cave. Perhaps the xenos are afraid of the deacons. That could be cool, but I have a feeling that plenty of die hard Alien fans would hate that. I am probably going to guess that Elden will become allied with the deacons in Omega.
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Anything is possible. I definitely think the Deacon could be the reason that the xenos don't want to go near the Juggernaut. At kat we only have another week and a half before we get Prometheus #4.
Finished AvP3 and while I really liked it, I guess I"m a little underwhelmed. I don't actually care about any of the characters and am only showing up for the crazy levels of violence. Still plenty of that though!
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Finished AvP3 and while I really liked it, I guess I"m a little underwhelmed. I don't actually care about any of the characters and am only showing up for the crazy levels of violence. Still plenty of that though!
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Do we get to see the mutant predator in action against some xenos, or is the cover for the issue just deceiving? Also, does the mutated predator meet Elden or mutated Francis?
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Do we see Elden do anything strange as far as his mutation?
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Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Dec 02, 2014, 12:46:05 AM
Finished AvP3 and while I really liked it, I guess I"m a little underwhelmed. I don't actually care about any of the characters and am only showing up for the crazy levels of violence. Still plenty of that though!
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Do we get to see the mutant predator in action against some xenos, or is the cover for the issue just deceiving? Also, does the mutated predator meet Elden or mutated Francis?
Replying to your question. Read at your own risk for spoilers.
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Not really. The only thing the mutant pred really does is strip some dead preds of their weaponry, which is actually really interesting. He ends the comic rocking two plasma casters. I don't really recall any crazy fights between him and the xenos though. Just some implied stuff. Elden has some excellent fights with the Xenos though.
Mutated predator runs into Francis on the last panel.
@Ultramorph
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His mutation is continuing on in some fashion. His head is starting to slope backwards like a xeno head, and he heals stupidly fast now. There are less physical changes this time and more mental ones. It's hard to tell on the mental changes if they're positive or not though (I mean that in terms of writing quality). Issue 3 really is just setup for issue 4. There's a lot of moving pieces around, and while it's entertaining, we're made to wait for the big shit.
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Replying to your question. Read at your own risk for spoilers.
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Not really. The only thing the mutant pred really does is strip some dead preds of their weaponry, which is actually really interesting. He ends the comic rocking two plasma casters. I don't really recall any crazy fights between him and the xenos though. Just some implied stuff. Elden has some excellent fights with the Xenos though.
Mutated predator runs into Francis on the last panel.
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Does it look like they are both ready to fight, or are they thinking about teaming up?
So I picked up my order at the weekend and managed to catch up -
Prometheus #3 - I continue to love the artwork in this series. Elden is just fantastic. I was really happy to see that reaction against Francis when he told the crew what he'd done.
Aliens #3 - Certainly better than the other 2. Was nice to see the story gain some traction - this really should have been #2 in my opinion. The artwork seemed fitting for this issue. I'll be interested to see what they do with Russell and where they take him.
Predator #2 - And another strong one. I really liked the interactions between Galgo and Ahab. Again, the artwork seemed to really suit the story and the look for Ahab is great - he looks his age & experience. And that cliff-hanger.
I do take back my comments about the reading order. As someone pointed out, it looks like they really planned the interactions between the series and its working.
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Does AvP #3 do anything interesting with the non-mutated surviving predator? Who'd you think would win between Elden and Hulk Pred?
Quote from: happypred on Dec 02, 2014, 08:49:45 AM
...and I must add that Mooneyham's predators and Olivetti's predators look like two different species
Chalk it up to artistic differences and artistic license. I don't think they are supposed to be different species.
A few more reviews of AvP #3 have gone live, beware of spoilers.
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4524-Aliens-Vs.-Predator-Fire-And-Stone-3 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4524-Aliens-Vs.-Predator-Fire-And-Stone-3) A positive review
http://all-comic.com/2014/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3 (http://all-comic.com/2014/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3) A negative, 2/5 star review.
Another positive, if a bit hard to follow, review. Spoiler warning.
https://m.facebook.com/notes/reading-with-a-flight-ring/alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3/860587853985733 (https://m.facebook.com/notes/reading-with-a-flight-ring/alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3/860587853985733)
We the Nerdy gives it an 8/10. Be warned of spoilers.
http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/?wt=2 (http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/?wt=2)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 02, 2014, 09:33:03 PM
http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/?wt=2 (http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/?wt=2)
I didn't even have to plug it myself!
Spoilers below. Read at risk bla bla bla
@HappyPred
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Yes, the regular Pred gets some nice screentime. He teams up with Elden for a bit, and they go on a nice Xeno rampage. Then he betrays Elden. The comic ends with them two fighting. As of now, I'd give my vote to the hulk pred if he were to fight Elden.
@DarthJoker45
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I'd say they're going to do some fighting.
Hulking Reviewer gives it an 8.5. Be aware of spoilers.
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/ (http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/)
Big Comic Page gave it another negative, 2/5 star review. Spoiler warning.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/12/02/review-alien-versus-predator-3-of-4-dark-horse-comics/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/12/02/review-alien-versus-predator-3-of-4-dark-horse-comics/)
Comic Bastards give it a 4/5. Spoilers.
http://comicbastards.com/review-aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3/ (http://comicbastards.com/review-aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3/)
Nuke the Fridge has a positive review, while Roqoo Depot has yet another negative, 2/5 star review. Fandom Posts guves it a B-. Spoilers abound.
http://nukethefridge.com/2014/12/03/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/ (http://nukethefridge.com/2014/12/03/alien-vs-predator-fire-stone-3/)
http://roqoodepot.com/comic-reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3/ (http://roqoodepot.com/comic-reviews/alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3/)
http://www.fandompost.com/2014/12/03/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/ (http://www.fandompost.com/2014/12/03/aliens-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/)
It looks like AvP:FaS continues to be divisive.
A 6/10, and spoilers, from Adventures in Poor Taste.
http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/12/03/is-it-good-alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/ (http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2014/12/03/is-it-good-alien-vs-predator-fire-and-stone-3-review/)
The first review for Prometheus #4 has arrived. There are spoilers, but they are not that big.
Review (http://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/os_book/prometheus-fire-and-stone-4-review/)
A new review is up. It is very positive. It has major spoilers though, and when I say major, I mean HUGE spoilers. If you want to be surprised, do not read.
Review (http://whatchareading.com/prometheus-fire-stone-issue-4-fast-furious-unrelenting/)
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Dec 05, 2014, 06:26:49 PM
A new review is up. It is very positive. It has major spoilers though, and when I say major, I mean HUGE spoilers. If you do not want to know, do not read.
Review (http://whatchareading.com/prometheus-fire-stone-issue-4-fast-furious-unrelenting/)
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It sounds like they introduce some neat stuff in that final issue. I look forward to reading it, along with AvP #3, whenevert my copy comes.
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It does sound very unique. It looks like Tobin is taking some influence from Jon Spaihts' original Alien:Engineers script. Do you think that they have incorporated ideas from there?
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It's definitely possible that they've taken inspiration from Alien: Engineers. I know that in the Alien series they're taking cues from the Fifield concept art for Cale's mutation.
The idea that the xenomorphs are a mistake that the Engineers are trying to undo is also a fairly cool way of having them be a creation without shoehorning them into a more straightfirward bio weapon origin story. I wonder if Omega will flesh out how, or if, the Deacon ties into this all.
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That makes me wonder about something else as well. Could the Deacon have abilities just like the Beluga-Xenomorph from Alien:Engineers?
I know that the Beluga-Xenomorph design was also the original design for the Deacon. Maybe it will evolve into a more darkish blue variant of it. For those who do not know what I am talking about, this is the design for the Beluga-Xenomorph.
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What abilities did the Belugamorph have?
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I will quote AVP Wiki (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Beluga-Xenomorph).
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Unlike other Xenomorphs, which are encased in rigid, black exoskeletons, the Beluga-Xenomorph is described as being ivory white and boneless, the latter of which allows it to alter its body shape and become a gelatinous, amorphous blob, allowing it to squeeze through gaps that would otherwise be too small for it. Its skin is vaguely translucent, and at the front of its elongated skull, a human-like skull can be seen beneath. It has long, spindly limbs, and jaws that can lever forwards out of its mouth (a trait given to the Deacon in Prometheus).
So what you two are saying and what that one preview is saying is..
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The Xenomorphs are an indirect result of the Engineer's experimentation with genetics while they were creating a bio-weapon of sorts. So they're pretty much a by-product. Yeah, okay. I mean for years a lot has speculated that the Engineers created them or had something to do with them. So the Xenomorphs were really never intended in mind for what the Engineers truly were trying to achieve. They're essentially just one big f**k up. Now we know why the Engineers hate them. I can buy that.
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It definitely has merits as an idea. It's pretty close to my interpretation of the Deacon mural in Prometheus, IE they and the Xenos are basically a cautionary tale of what can go horribly wrong when you play God and it backfires. I look forward to seeing how it all wraps up in Omega.
I haven't really been reading these comics. So have there been any changes to the Predators or are they relatively the same as they have been for years?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 05, 2014, 11:35:51 PM
I haven't really been reading these comics. So have there been any changes to the Predators or are they relatively the same as they have been for years?
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They're pretty much the same we've seen in the old AvP comics. Ahab is pretty old school, has a little attitude, etc. They haven't introduced anything new regarding them and the Engineers. It's jut a case of "see a good challenge, will hunt."
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Dec 02, 2014, 10:47:21 PM@HappyPred
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Yes, the regular Pred gets some nice screentime. He teams up with Elden for a bit, and they go on a nice Xeno rampage. Then he betrays Elden. The comic ends with them two fighting. As of now, I'd give my vote to the hulk pred if he were to fight Elden.
Just finished reading AvP #3. I have to say it reminds me of Deadliest of the Species with all its craziness. However, I don't mean that in a bad way. AvP #3 is much less rambling. I think the most disappointing aspect of the current AvP series is Olivetti's predators and xenomorphs. They look really off
Not to mention that the xenos in AVP aren't really dangerous, they haven't killed anything but the fodder humans (which I liked) but now the xenos are just aggressive fodder for everyone else, sadly. :( I hope they do some real damage in the final issue.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 06, 2014, 11:35:41 AM
I think the most disappointing aspect of the current AvP series is Olivetti's predators and xenomorphs. They look really off
Have you looked at Batman and Superman vs Alien and Predator? If you looked at that, then you shouldn't be surprised about Olivetti's Predators and Aliens.
Another's review of Prometheus #4 has gone live. It's also positive, and contains some spoilers, so read at your own risk.
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4538-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-4 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4538-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-4)
First impressions of Prometheus 4 are as follows: it's really good, it's awesome violent, it does not end the arc despite saying 4/4 on the cover. That last bit is something I take a bit of an issue with despite knowing more is to come. Full review will go up tomorrow after I read it again.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Dec 06, 2014, 07:32:04 PMHave you looked at Batman and Superman vs Alien and Predator? If you looked at that, then you shouldn't be surprised about Olivetti's Predators and Aliens.
I think the aliens in that look better than the aliens in AvP Fire and Stone. The predators in both look equally wonky
I gave it a 9.7 http://wethenerdy.com/advance-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-4-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/advance-review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-4-review/)
My copy of AvP #3 came this morning, and I definitely thought it was better than issue #2. Some brief, spoilery thoughts below.
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I'm enjoying watching Elden evolve, both physically and mentally. It was refreshing to see him experience doubt in this issue. It will be interesting to see where he goes by the time AvP and Omega wrap up. I like his look in this issue, as he's moving further away from the Engineer and more into strange, unknown territory. I do agree, though, that I can't help but be reminded of DotS to an extent, but it's not ruining it. Elden has more story and personality than the white hybrids or the bug-men.
The lack of actual "Aliens fighting Predators" action in this AvP comic is pretty disappointing. It's not that the black goo mutant melee isn't cool, but it would have been nice if at least a bit more page space had been devoted some traditional AvP action. Issue #4 might rectify that, but given the development with Francis, I doubt that. Still, this series is certainly unique, and I'm looking forward to seeing how crazy things get.
The art isn't massively better than issue #2, and the Xenos still look a bit phoned in, but Elden's evolution somewhat makes up for that.
Overall, I still think AvP is one of the weaker parts of Fire and Stone, and I agree with the sentiment that I can't root for any of these characters. The behavior of the main Predator is a big factor in this. One minute he's blooding Elden, the next he's fighting aliens with him, only to be attacking Elden shortly after. I just don't get what he's after, and it's hurting the series for me. Still, the finale promises to be an interesting bloodbath.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 10, 2014, 03:32:09 AM
My copy of AvP #3 came this morning, and I definitely thought it was better than issue #2. Some brief, spoilery thoughts below.
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Overall, I still think AvP is one of the weaker parts of Fire and Stone, and I agree with the sentiment that I can't root for any of these characters. The behavior of the main Predator is a big factor in this. One minute he's blooding Elden, the next he's fighting aliens with him, only to be attacking Elden shortly after. I just don't get what he's after, and it's hurting the series for me. Still, the finale promises to be an interesting bloodbath.
Originally, I thought Aliens was the weakest part but now I'm leaning more toward AvP. Compared to the mutant mayhem in AvP Fire & Stone, even the Yautja vs. "Buggers" action in AvP Hunter's Planet is closer to "classic" AvP
I applaud Sebela for having the balls to do something different...but this might be a case of being too different. It doesn't feel like AvP. Olivetti's weirdly drawn predators and aliens alienate (pun intended) me even more.
That said...I agree with the sentiment expressed in this review (http://bloody-disgusting.com/reviews/3321752/5-skull-comic-review-predator-fire-stone-2-continues-best-predator-story-ever-told/):
QuoteChris Mooneyham's Predator is so perfect that someone at Dark Horse should seriously consider signing him to exclusively draw the character until he dies.
I just finished Prometheus #4, and I have to say I was left feeling disappointed. :-\ I'll post my in-depth thoughts later.
Full review, many spoilers:
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I should start by saying that even though I'm left feeling disappointed overall, this issue has several excellent components. They just don't really add up to a satisfying conclusion.
First off, the art remains one of the strongest aspects, and I would say that Ferreyra's art as the best in Fire and Stone, and his xenos are possibly some of the best in all the comics that Dark Horse has done. The fact that they retain biomechanical detail in every panel is just above and beyond what I've come to expect. If Mooneyham should do all subsequent Predator comics, Ferreyra should do all future Aliens comics. The only aspect of the art I found lacking was the designs of the test tube creatures in the Engineer lab. More could have been done with them, and I feel an opportunity was missed to include some A:R, Ripley clone style mutant horror.
My main problem with this issue was one that several other reviewers have noted: namely, that despite the "4 of 4" on the cover, it just stops on a totally anticlimactic note. I know that this is obviously bound to happen given the place of the Prometheus series in the larger Fire and Stone arc, but I feel that there should have been more effort at some level of closure. Angela looking out over the lake and saying "Damn it" just leaves me feeling a bit cheated. Even the Prometheus movie has more closure than this.
I almost feel like FaS has come full circle in a bad way: I've gone from being burned out with #1s to being burned out of looking forward to Omega for an end. This whole thing will probably read much, much better come February when it can be read as one continuous, chronological story. Hopefully the other three #4s feel more like actual endings.
That being said, I liked several of the scenes in this book. The brief bit with Elden and the xenos was short but effective, and I enjoyed how Ferreyra illustrated the xenos coming to Elden's side as he tore down the poster. I'm definitely starting to get the "Elden as underdog" angle.
Similarly, the scene where the Engineer blasts away the xenomorphs was a nice way of illustrating the Engineers' power. On the other hand, though, I feel that this scene sort of ruins the logic and vibe behind the Derelict on LV-426. It's hard to picture a ship of Engineers being brought down by the aliens when one single Engineer with a rifle can take out a hive's worth of xenomorphs. At least the aliens were effective in the rest of the series, which is more than can be said of the AvP side of things.
It's also worth mentioning that while Tobin's Prometheus was a good Aliens comic, I wish more had been done with the Engineers. Roberson's Aliens is more or less shaping up to be more of a Prometheus comic, and I'm fine with that overall, but I can see where that might alienate some fans. I also really like Derrick Russel in that series, whereas none of the characters in Prometheus (Elden aside) really resonates with me. I hope Angela grows and becomes interesting in Predator and Omega.
All in all, this wasn't a bad issue, but it was a bad conclusion, because of the placement of the various parts of FaS. I'm still onboard, but I find myself looking forward to when it has all been released.
I finished #4 last night and I completely agree. I think Ferreyra's artwork is the best of the lot so far and possibly the best since Den Beauvis. His humans, his Elden, his Xenos, his Engineer, his environments. I had absolutely no complaints with the visual side of the story, at all. I really hope Dark Horse take him for future projects.
That said, it didn't feel like a conclusion at all, as you said. It's quite clearly Part 1 in a 3 part story. I don't think the others will end on such an anti-climatic note as they both have their own individual stories to wrap up - Elden, Francis & Predators in AvP, and Galgo, Ahab, the Engineer and LV-233 (I think that's the right planet, I don't have the comics with me atm). I think Aliens has the potential not to end adequently but we'll see.
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#4 did have some awesome moments in. The Engineer vs the Aliens. And then towards the humans. I was like "Daaaammmmnnn". I loved seeing Elden lose his shit like that.
It was a good comic. Just a terrible conclusion. Once everything is finished and we've gotten Omega, I'd be interested to see how it all reads then.
Message me when there's a collected hardback of the entire line.
The first review of Predator #3 is up, and it's a positive, 4/5 stars. Beware of spoilers.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/12/16/review-predator-fire-and-stone-3-dark-horse/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2014/12/16/review-predator-fire-and-stone-3-dark-horse/)
My review of Predator: Fire and Stone 3 will go live tomorrow (didn't get the issue until today). My overview thoughts are: It's good, and the Ahab/Galgo teamup is great. I really like them as a duo, and I think this comic does the human/predator pairing the best. That being said, I don't feel like all that much happens in this issue. I also feel like there are better things to explore than Ahab's want to kill an Engineer just because.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Dec 17, 2014, 03:22:02 AMMy review of Predator: Fire and Stone 3 will go live tomorrow
How much action is there? How good is the action? I'd like to see Ahab kick ass and take names. The predators in the AvP series don't do much
Quote from: happypred on Dec 17, 2014, 03:33:01 AM
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Dec 17, 2014, 03:22:02 AMMy review of Predator: Fire and Stone 3 will go live tomorrow
How much action is there? How good is the action? I'd like to see Ahab kick ass and take names. The predators in the AvP series don't do much
As to this, there's less action than I would have liked. Worse off for serious Predator fans, Galgo takes the spotlight for most of it. Ahab has a moment, but it's fairly brief. The issue itself spends more time focusing on Galgo/Ahab as a duo and less time on killing aliens or other LV223 wildlife.
However, the issue cliffhangers into what I'm guessing will be a battle between Ahab and an Engineer.
The first review of Aliens #4 is up, and it's a 5/5. Beware of spoilers.
http://whatchareading.com/aliens-fire-stone-issue-4/ (http://whatchareading.com/aliens-fire-stone-issue-4/)
Another review of Aliens #4 has gone live. It's overall positive. Beware of spoilers.
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4581-Aliens-Fire-And-Stone-4 (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4581-Aliens-Fire-And-Stone-4)
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Dec 17, 2014, 10:44:43 PMAs to this, there's less action than I would have liked. Worse off for serious Predator fans, Galgo takes the spotlight for most of it.
Yeah...almost zero action
QuoteHowever, the issue cliffhangers into what I'm guessing will be a battle between Ahab and an Engineer.
I really hope that the battle doesn't disappoint.
Just read Aliens FaS #4. I don't think too highly of it. The issue basically spends its runtime going over questions we've all asked already and then not answering any of them. At least it has an end though, unlike Prometheus #4
Quote from: happypred on Dec 22, 2014, 02:17:12 AM
I really hope that the battle doesn't disappoint.
The problem is that the comic can't just be about Ahab fighting an Engineer. There has to be more to the whole thing yet. My guess is they'll start fighting and something will happen to force them apart. But I could be wrong. Galgo still needs to get off LV223.
More and more it seems like these last couple issues are just padding to to kill time until Omega. I really, really hope it doesn't disappoint.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Dec 22, 2014, 04:07:42 AM
Just read Aliens FaS #4. I don't think too highly of it. The issue basically spends its runtime going over questions we've all asked already and then not answering any of them. At least it has an end though, unlike Prometheus #4
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Does the deacons show up in this issue? Also, does Russell wake the Engineer up? When will your review be up?
I just finished Predator #3, and was a bit underwhelmed, unfortunately. Full thoughts below.
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The biggest problem was that this issue just felt like padding. The way Angela and company were reintroduced at the end of the previous issue had me thinking that they would play a bigger part in the rest of the story, but once again we're left with "Wait for Omega!"
That being said, I liked the scene where Ahab and Galgo share how they got their war-wounds. Still, I think issue #2 effectively established their relationship enough that another issue of that wasn't necessary; the "buddy cop" thing didn't come across as strong in this issue.
They probably could have just had this series be 3 issues, and I think I'm starting to feel that way about some of the other FaS series, as well. The big story is beginning to feel a bit padded and bloated now. Maybe it will read differently when we can read it all together.
Either way, I'm hoping that the climactic battle is sufficiently awesome to save the series, which I was really enjoying until this issue.
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Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Dec 22, 2014, 04:07:42 AM
Just read Aliens FaS #4. I don't think too highly of it. The issue basically spends its runtime going over questions we've all asked already and then not answering any of them. At least it has an end though, unlike Prometheus #4
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Does the deacons show up in this issue? Also, does Russell wake the Engineer up? When will your review be up?
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No. There's a wide shot of the mountain at the end of the comic, and the mountain truly could be the deacon in some form. Like a hunched over deacon with his spines sticking up into the air. It's hard to tell.
As to the Engineer, it's...hard to tell. My gut reaction is to say "no" but Russell's final words are a little confusing in their pronoun use, as if he's talking to someone off screen. That could be the Engineer. But there's no true answer there.
Review should be up tomorrow. Going to write it now. I need to read the comic one more time. There might be some good stuff I've missed.
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I wonder if it will end up like Destroying Angels, only with a huge Deacon running around, like the the huge xeno.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 22, 2014, 08:15:32 PMI just finished Predator #3, and was a bit underwhelmed, unfortunately.
Yeah...it seemed a bit meandering and pointless. The whole issue barely has any cool action. I like character development...but issue #3 doesn't has neither solid action nor amazing character development. It's just...padding
Quote from: happypred on Dec 23, 2014, 03:52:34 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 22, 2014, 08:15:32 PMI just finished Predator #3, and was a bit underwhelmed, unfortunately.
Yeah...it seemed a bit meandering and pointless. The whole issue barely has any cool action. I like character development...but issue #3 doesn't has neither solid action nor amazing character development. It's just...padding
I disagree. The backstory for Galgo was really needed and helped flesh him out a bit more, and though he was getting along fine with Ahab in the last issue, they've got way more of a backnforth going now. I find both of these factors to be important, though I do think the comic could have done some things better.
Edit: here's my review for Alien #4 http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-fire-and-stone-4-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/aliens-fire-and-stone-4-review/)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 22, 2014, 08:15:32 PM
I just finished Predator #3, and was a bit underwhelmed, unfortunately. Full thoughts below.
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The biggest problem was that this issue just felt like padding. The way Angela and company were reintroduced at the end of the previous issue had me thinking that they would play a bigger part in the rest of the story, but once again we're left with "Wait for Omega!"
I think the problem is not knowing where everything fits in the big picture. Predator is Galgo and Ahab's story, not Angela's. But they needed it known they'd been surviving.
That said, I did like #3. It went to further establish their dynamic and add more history Galgo - he really is a dick, showing his actions in Prometheus weren't a once off kind of thing. I dug it. I just hope the conclusion is satisfying.
You're probably right, Hicks. It'll read better when all is said and done.
As far as AvP #4 next month, I was wondering if anyone else had the same thought I did...
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That Elden is starting, in certain ways, to look like the creatures we seen Ahab hunting in the flashback in issue #2; namely, four arms, same flat nose and nostril shape.
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Having finished Aliens #4, I have to say, "Wow, and people thought Alien: Isolation's ending was ambiguous..." :(
Quote from: predxeno on Dec 27, 2014, 03:55:20 PM
Having finished Aliens #4, I have to say, "Wow, and people thought Alien: Isolation's ending was ambiguous..." :(
Tell me about it! What is with this series and lack of individual conclusions? I really hope that Omega actually ties it all together nicely and neatly.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 28, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Dec 27, 2014, 03:55:20 PM
Having finished Aliens #4, I have to say, "Wow, and people thought Alien: Isolation's ending was ambiguous..." :(
Tell me about it! What is with this series and lack of individual conclusions? I really hope that Omega actually ties it all together nicely and neatly.
Speaking of Omega, does anyone else thinks it's a bit silly that they're making us wait until mid-February for it, when there's only two FaS issues coming out in January (AvP and Predator #4)? Talk about dragging things out.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Dec 28, 2014, 09:50:53 PM
Speaking of Omega, does anyone else thinks it's a bit silly that they're making us wait until mid-February for it, when there's only two FaS issues coming out in January (AvP and Predator #4)? Talk about dragging things out.
No, you're not the only one who thinks it's silly.. I mean I don't see the reasoning in the delay. But whatever..
Is Omega just one issue or a new series?
It's a one-off. But I believe it's a nice chunky one.
Yeah, according to the Dark Horse site Omega is 48 pages long.
I got my copy of Aliens #4 this morning, and I have to say that I actually thought it was a pretty good, if open-ended, conclusion. My spoiler-filled thoughts below.
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It was nice to have one last issue where Russel is the dominant voice. Even though I agree that this issue has a problem with simply restating questions that have already been raised and then failing to answer them, Russel's conclusion that the accelerant is basically a way to speed up evolution is fairly sound. It also makes sense with what we saw in Prometheus #4 and Predator #3 as far as the Engineer lab and their behavior toward the xenos: the Engineers are using the goo to make and unmake life that they study and then destroy. Rinse and repeat. It really makes me wonder if LV-223 has previously been seeded with life that was then wiped out. It was also nice to see Russel sowing the seeds for what Francis would do to Elden.
The design of mutant Cale was a nice homage to some of the concepts for Fifield, and I like how his design has allusions to what we see with both Elden and Francis.
As far as the ending, I don't think it was nearly as ambiguous as people think. On the page where Russel slams on the Engineer's cryo-tube, look at the last panel: the tube goes "Ping!" as Russel is walking away. That seems pretty indicative that he is, inadvertently, responsible for waking up the Engineer. As far as the last page and ambiguous pronouns, I think it's safe to say that he is talking to the goo, but it's also possible that the Engineer is there, as the "Ping!" indicates that he's awake.
Overall, I liked the issue, and once again I'm left wanting Omega even more. What is this human signal in the bowels of the mountain? I can't wait to find out!
A thought that occurred to me about one of the mysteries set up in Aliens #4:
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What if the human signal coming from beneath the mountain is the lifeboat from the end of the Prometheus movie? If the mountain is actually the Deacon grown to monstrous size, it would make some sense that it might have consumed the lifeboat where it was born. The signal might be Shaw's last transmission.
I thought it was engineer.
It could be that, as well.
Another thing I think could become significant:
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If Russel was correct, and his deteriorating condition was due to trace exposure to the accelerant, I think that may be setting up what might happen to Francis in AvP #4. Instead of curing his cancer, the goo might very well accelerate it, so that even as he "Hulks out," his disease will do the same.
I want to start reading these comics but I'm not sure where to start and how many there are. Can someone break this series down for me please?
Quote from: Jango1201 on Jan 05, 2015, 08:33:11 AM
I want to start reading these comics but I'm not sure where to start and how many there are. Can someone break this series down for me please?
Well, Fire and Stone is basically almost over, with just three more issues coming out between now and February, so the best bet may be to wait for the trade paperbacks, which start coming out in April:
Prometheus TPB- April 8, 2015
Aliens TPB- May 13, 2015Of course, you can always get back issues on TFAW or digitally through Dark Horse:
http://www.tfaw.com/Search?_results_use_stopwords=true&quick_sstring=fire+and+stone&_results_sstype_search= (http://www.tfaw.com/Search?_results_use_stopwords=true&quick_sstring=fire+and+stone&_results_sstype_search=)
As far an overview, here goes...
Chronologically, the first series, and the best one to start with, is the
Aliens series, as it is a pseudo-prequel to the others and sets up a lot of what goes on in the later series. It has also wrapped up this past month. Next is
Prometheus, which also wrapped up last month. After that,
Alien vs Predator and
Predator happen concurrently, spinning out from the events in Prometheus and starring characters that were introduced in that series. Both of those series will conclude this month, with AvP #4 coming January 14th and Predator #4 coming the 28th.
Finally, on February 11th, the whole Fire and Stone event will be wrapped up in the double-size
Prometheus: Omega, which is the end of the story. So, chronologically, it's
Aliens, then
Prometheus,
AvP/Predator (happen at the same time) and then
Omega right at the end.
Hope that helps. :)
Still lost but thanks for the help. :D I'll probably wait for the paperbacks as you suggested.
It's not too complicated, Jango.
It goes Aliens - Prometheus and then AvP and Predator run concurrently although AvP #1 takes place just before Predator #1.
Quote from: Jango1201 on Jan 06, 2015, 03:54:55 AM
Still lost but thanks for the help. :D I'll probably wait for the paperbacks as you suggested.
Aliens --> Prometheus --> AvP/Predator
Waiting for the TPBs is a good idea though...I haven't been too crazy about the staggered releases
I wasn't either - to start with. But I've grown to enjoy the way they've structured it. It worked quite well, I think.
The thing annoying me at the minute is the lack of conclusion within the first 2 stories. I'm hoping it delivers in the end.
Don't worry, it seems implied we'll get a conclusion to Prometheus's storyline in Predator and/or Omega, it's Aliens whose fate is the x variable here.
AvP4 is f**king strange. Will hopefully have a review for it up tomorrow, but I'm not even sure how to gauge this one.
Mind giving us some spoiler-tagged insight into what's so strange? I don't mind spoilers.
I'm just curious to how the Predators are treated in the last issue.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 11, 2015, 08:51:02 PM
Mind giving us some spoiler-tagged insight into what's so strange? I don't mind spoilers.
Sure. Or, I'll do what I can :P
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Elden takes the main stage this time, but he's less crazy revenge murderer person and more sad child who just realized the world isn't the way he thought it was. It's not a bad take on him, and while I can see the progression he made to this point, I just don't like it. Elden has not been a character I've ever sympathized with, but this comic absolutely wants me to feel sorry for him. SO when he spends a few pages talking to a Predator, asking "Why are you attacking me? Are you no different than the other monsters here?" etc, it just feels like it's trying to hard to come to an elevated point. The problem is, the first three issues didn't have such a thing going for them. This was just kill kill crazy chaos violence.
Poor dialogue doens't help.
Yet at the end, when all is said and done and points are trying to be made, what didn't work early in the comic starts to work. I actually quite liked the end, especially the last panel.
As to the predator:
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He and Elden duke it out, but xenos show up at the last minute. Elden escapes and the predator does not.
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Do we get to see the mutated predator duke it out with xenomorphs, and what exactly happens to Francis with his mutation? Does he stay hulked out, or does he change? Exactly how much fighting is in this issue?
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jan 12, 2015, 03:54:57 AM
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Do we get to see the mutated predator duke it out with xenomorphs, and what exactly happens to Francis with his mutation? Does he stay hulked out, or does he change? Exactly how much fighting is in this issue?
There's not as much fighting as I was expecting. Will detail below
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The super Pred never dukes it out with any Xenos. He and mutated Francis have a go for a few panels, and it's an alright fight. There's a nice bit of brutality there. Super Pred clearly has the upper hand. Eventually, Elden shows up, teams up wtih Francis, and the two take out the super Pred in what is also a nice bit of brutality. That's about as much fighting as there is though. Elden and the regular Pred fight in the beginning, and some Xenos show up, but the whole sequence isn't that impressive.
As to Francis then
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The goo speeds up his cancer, so he's only hulked out for a little bit. Eventually he kinda starts to fall apart. I guess it's ironic that his last ditch effort killed him quicker than the disease though.
Thanks for the info! It definitely sounds like a fittingly strange ending to a weird series. As far as Francis, it looks like I guessed right...
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About the accelerant speeding up his cancer.
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That sounds both weird and very disappointing. Do the xenos show up at all for the rest of the issue? This has to be the most disappointing book in the whole Fire and Stone series.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Jan 12, 2015, 03:32:49 AM
As to the predator:
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He and Elden duke it out, but xenos show up at the last minute. Elden escapes and the predator does not.
So in other words.. based on what you say also in other replies--
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The remaining Predator dies like a bitch.. and in the beginning of the issue too. Lame.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jan 12, 2015, 03:48:39 PM
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That sounds both weird and very disappointing. Do the xenos show up at all for the rest of the issue? This has to be the most disappointing book in the whole Fire and Stone series.
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Pretty much. They show up at the very end and surround Elden, but they don't actually do anything to him.
And yeah, AvP has turned out to be my least favorite of the Fire and Stone comics, which is a damn shame since I loved the first two and enjoyed the third.
@Rakathwei
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To be fair, he puts up a good fight with Elden. Eventually xenos show up though, and Elden coward powers away. I wouldn't say the Predator died like a bitch, but he def goes out near the beginning of the issue.
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Any indication as to why Elden goes back to LV-223 in Omega?
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 12, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
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Any indication as to why Elden goes back to LV-223 in Omega?
I didn't even know that was a thing :P
Interesting. Have you seen the Omega trailer?
http://m.ign.com/videos/2015/01/09/prometheus-omega-trailer (http://m.ign.com/videos/2015/01/09/prometheus-omega-trailer)
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/)
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Given that Omega picks up in April, I wonder why Elden waits so long, and what he's doing in that time, assuming that the preview we got today picks up page 1.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 12, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
Interesting. Have you seen the Omega trailer?
http://m.ign.com/videos/2015/01/09/prometheus-omega-trailer (http://m.ign.com/videos/2015/01/09/prometheus-omega-trailer)
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/)
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Given that Omega picks up in April, I wonder why Elden waits so long, and what he's doing in that time, assuming that the preview we got today picks up page 1.
Have not. Honestly, I've been doing my best to avoid any and all spoilers for this so I can go in as blind as possible.
Which is ironic since I"ve been answering everyone's questions here :P
This has proven one thing. Christopher Sebela does not need to write an AVP comic ever again.
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He stated that he was going to feature aliens and predators fighting each other to the death. Instead, he gave us a mutant monster mash up. This comic had a great set up, and I agree that the first two issues were solid. However, it just went down hill with the third issue. I am not saying that Sebela is a bad writer, but he definitely didn't handle this story arc well with the last two issues.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jan 13, 2015, 01:10:27 AM
This has proven one thing. Christopher Sebela does not need to write an AVP comic ever again.
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He stated that he was going to feature aliens and predators fighting each other to the death. Instead, he gave us a mutant monster mash up. This comic had a great set up, and I agree that the first two issues were solid. However, it just went down hill with the third issue. I am not saying that Sebela is a bad writer, but he definitely didn't handle this story arc well with the last two issues.
Aye. I wonder how much he was hampered by the whole "SHARED UNIVERSE" thing that Dark Horse have going on though.
I do not think that he was hampered at all. He could have just as easily had Aliens, Predator, and Elden in the mix along with
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the mutant predator.
As I stated before, Francis is what brought the story arc down during the third issue.
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When Francis mutated, I knew that Sebela had just gotten carried away with the whole hulk mutants thing. The design for his mutation was not bad in particular, but it did not look like a mutation of the black goo. Instead, it looked more like a mix between Despero and Thanos.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Jan 13, 2015, 01:10:27 AM
This has proven one thing. Christopher Sebela does not need to write an AVP comic ever again.
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He stated that he was going to feature aliens and predators fighting each other to the death. Instead, he gave us a mutant monster mash up.
Sebela might be a great bloke but his statement that AvP would be all about that sweet aliens on predator/predator on aliens action is utter bullshit.
The focus isn't on aliens and predators. It's almost entirely on mutants. The aliens and predators are mere afterthoughts in their own comic. Sad...
I would rate Aliens vs. Predator (the original) leagues above AvP F&S. Is it that hard to write a good AvP comic? Furthermore, on top of Sebela's mutant obsession, there is Olivetti's thoroughly underwhelming and progressively deteriorating art. His predators and xenomorphs are drawn horribly. In one panel, there's a 5ft midget alien.
I'm really, really disappointed with AvP.
I agree that some of what Sebela said in interviews was unfortunate given what AvP:FaS wound up being, but I don't really think we can blame him. Most of that was probably handed down to him from the marketing people at Fox and/or Dark Horse. I've found that the best way to think of the series as a Prometheus story with Aliens and Predators, rather than AvP. The art is definitely a weak point, though.
I actually thought AvP #3 was improving things from the low point of issue #2, so I'll given #4 a fair shake.
Like I said, I do not think that the studios interfered at all with his story. If the writing was based on what the studios wanted, then why are the other three books such solid reads but his is disappointing. In fact, it is really embarrassing considering how Aliens vs Predator is a very simple story to tell as the plots and characters are pretty straight forward. I mean, I know that they had to do a complete rewrite from their original stories, but that still does not excuse the lack of actual Alien/ Predator action. He could of had the xenos, the surviving predator, Elden, and
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the mutant predator
just beating the heck out of each other. Instead, he gives us
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a hulked out Francis and Elden fighting the mutated predator. The aliens and predators are treated like small fry instead of the actual main stars of the book. I can understand that he was trying to add new ideas in there from Prometheus , but the execution was just a mess.
I agree with DarthJoker
Though on the whole, I think there was more good than bad in the AvP series. 3/4 were very solid, and the fourth one, while not great, still manages to do a few fun things.
But damn, I was hoping for so much more than what was delivered.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 13, 2015, 03:08:58 AM
I'm really, really disappointed with AvP.
How much do you wanna bet Gregg Katzman over at Comicvine is gonna fawn over it like he does with everything he reads?
The Aliens vs. Predator action is woefully underwhelming throughout AvP, which should be all about aliens and predators stalking and killing each other. Instead the titular creatures are relegated to the sidelines. It's such a perplexing choice especially in light of Sebela's earlier claims, i.e. "I'm really going to cater to the AvP fanbase by piling on the hardcore AvP action."
Would you say Three World War is better in the treatment of the creatures?
I think they're both quite bad...I find F&S to be somewhat more enjoyable than TWW.
I didn't like how Machiko could easily gut predators and decapitate aliens. TWW's art is also a lot worse than F&S's
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Jan 12, 2015, 05:03:26 AM
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The goo speeds up his cancer, so he's only hulked out for a little bit. Eventually he kinda starts to fall apart. I guess it's ironic that his last ditch effort killed him quicker than the disease though.
If that's what they were going for, then the writers have an awful understanding of biology. At '
Requiem' levels, almost (where the human womb was meant to somehow be connected to the stomach).
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'Speeding up' cancer wouldn't lead to suddenly massive muscle growth. Cancer is a bunch of spreading useless mutations. If you've ever seen 'The Wishmaster' and remember what happened to the chemist, that was the effect it should have had.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Jan 13, 2015, 01:47:07 AM
Aye. I wonder how much he was hampered by the whole "SHARED UNIVERSE" thing that Dark Horse have going on though.
He wasn't. All that meant was that they wanted an AVP story with some Engineer stuff thrown in. Adding in '
Alien' and '
Predator' to the title, when they already have the AVP thing on there, was always a superfluous and misleading thing to do.
Essentially, we've had some very nice pieces of art, but not much actual story.
And all of it revolving around this Elden character, who shouldn't even exist in the form they did. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 13, 2015, 11:11:51 AMthis Elden character
"Are you my friend? I thought we were friends. Why aren't you my friend? Are you my friend? I just want to talk."
Dude won't shut up
Am I the only one who.. doesn't like Elden?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 13, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
Am I the only one who.. doesn't like Elden?
nope-Same here, I dont like him.
I like Elden, but I get why some people don't. I do have to give Dark Horse some credit for taking that kind of risk.
I like him to. But I enjoy monologuing villains like that.
So would anyone mind PMing me details on what's up with the
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the adult deacons, I had heard they were in these stories. Do any Xenomorphs fight them? Any I do is fine.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 13, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
Am I the only one who.. doesn't like Elden?
He'd have been a much more powerful character if half of his panels were devoid of communication.
I don't completely hate him, but I certainly don't love him. He was an interesting idea in a bad execution.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Jan 13, 2015, 11:05:19 PMHe'd have been a much more powerful character if half of his panels were devoid of communication.
...of if y'know his dialogue were actually well-written
As someone who hasn't read any of these, did anything actually come of the
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Deacon mountain?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 14, 2015, 08:49:04 AM
As someone who hasn't read any of these, did anything actually come of the Spoiler
Deacon mountain?
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Nothing yet, but there's apparently a human signal coming from under the mountain. They're probably saving it for Omega.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 13, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
Am I the only one who.. doesn't like Elden?
Meh. I'm indifferent to him; at first I didn't like him but now I'm like "I just don't care anymore."
I picked up the digital copy of AvP #4 this afternoon, and found myself enjoying it. My thoughts, with spoilers, below.
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First off, let me address the issue of whether or not this fails as an AvP comic. My short answer: no. I don't think it fails as AvP because it's clear that it was never trying to be AvP as we've seen it before. Now, I do agree that some of what Sebela said over the last few months is unfortunate in regards to what the series turned out to be, but I won't call him a liar. All of that was most likely fed to him by marketing people.
What this comic does work well as, though, is as Prometheus comic that mixes elements of that IP with Alien and Predator. Now that the series has wrapped up, it's obvious that it was, at its core, a continuation of the creator/creation drama that was so important to the Prometheus movie. I've criticized this series for the sudden shifts in alliances between the characters and inscrutable motivations for things like the Predators, and this issue suffers a bit from that, but the overall arc between Elden and Francis wound up being satisfying. Seeing Elden go from an megalomaniacal revenge-seeker who thought he was a god to a character haunted by his immortality and utterly alone, was cool, even if Sebela could have made the change less jarring in the final two issues. Similarly, the rapprochement that Francis has with Elden as he dies really worked for me. What happened with Francis in this issue was a great counterpoint to what Weyland wanted in Prometheus. Francis realizes that immortality is unattainable and life is essentially without answers, and his final scene with Elden was an interesting counterpoint to Weyland and the Engineer. This series worked for me as an expansion of some of the themes from the Prometheus movie. Elden's sense of loneliness was a great counterpoint to David: maybe androids shouldn't want their creators dead.
That being said, Olivetti can still be faulted for phoned-in xenomorphs, but I thoroughly enjoyed what he did with Francis and his eventual decay.
It must also be said that this was the first FaS finale that I thought worked as a finale, even if I was more forgiving of Aliens #4 than some. I'm very much interested to see what happens next with Elden, and to know what is motivating him in Omega. So, some wonky dialog and questionable xenomorphs aside, I liked what they tried, and mostly succeeded, to do with AvP: FaS. My best way of summing up is to say that this series was like DotS if DotS was a quarter of the length, had a more engaging core story, and more cohesive writing.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 01:08:40 AM
Meh. I'm indifferent to him; at first I didn't like him but now I'm like "I just don't care anymore."
I feel you, man.. I feel you.
Something I just noticed about this image:
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In addition to a crude replacement for this harpoon/axe, Ahab seems to have replaced his original wristblades with a new pair of a different design (possibly salvaged from Elden's ship). It looks like a pair of wristblades worn by one of the faux super predators.
The predators in the AVP comic also had similar blades.
I noticed that too but felt no real need to make a bother about it.
I'm genuinely curious as to exactly why the replacement blades? I mean aren't certain types of wristblades supposed to be rendered unbreakable according to some sources in the EU? Then again... they did say they were ignoring the previous stuff. So.. whatever, I suppose. Unless Ahab pistoned his wristblades and somehow lost them to where he needed replacements.
If anything, the new wristblades he has almost has.. an organic look to them. Like as if he took exoskeleton and bones from a creature, and fashioned them into functioning wristblades. Of course he could've taken wristblades from the wannabe Super Predators. But even then.. didn't they have a different design configuration?
I think the blades might just be artistic license, but who knows. Anything is possible with FaS.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 15, 2015, 04:31:50 AM
I think the blades might just be artistic license, but who knows. Anything is possible with FaS.
I suppose we will find out in Predator #4 when that comes out.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 15, 2015, 03:46:39 AM
The predators in the AVP comic also had similar blades.
That's what I mean. Two of the predators in the AvP comic have Berserker and Tracker masks but I don't think they are actually Super Predators
a la Predators (2010)
Quote from: happypred on Jan 15, 2015, 07:01:35 AM
That's what I mean. Two of the predators in the AvP comic have Berserker and Tracker masks but I don't think they are actually Super Predators a la Predators (2010)
Because they aren't, Sebela even said that they weren't supposed to be.
So it was all Olivetti taking artistic license.
That's why I call them faux super predators
I also wonder how Ahab heals his snapped arm
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That's why I call them faux super predators
They were what turned me off from Fire and Stone.. That and well, I just didn't like the direction they were going with the whole thing.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 15, 2015, 07:46:25 AM
I also wonder how Ahab heals his snapped arm
Either Galgo makes a makeshift splint for Ahab, or he uses his medikit, assuming Ahab has one.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 15, 2015, 04:31:50 AM
I think the blades might just be artistic license, but who knows. Anything is possible with FaS.
I imagine that is more than likely the case. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Got around to reading AvP#4
Not as bad as I had feared but still not good. The action is underwhelming and it really, really doesn't read like an AvP comic. Looking forward to Predator #4 and Omega.
Tbh, all the titles in the FaS series are like Aliens vs. Prometheus, Prometheus, Aliens vs. Predator vs. Prometheus, and Predator vs. Prometheus. Prometheus has just taken over the AVP franchise, this is upsetting especially since I doubt Ridley even cares to mix the two universes anymore now that his new film is such a big hit.
I don't think it's fair to say that Prometheus has taken over the franchise. FaS is just one comic event, the first, and so far only, merging of all the franchises. The Titan novels and Alien: Isolation were essentially free of Prometheus influence, and that will probably be the case with the new trilogy.
After re-reading the entire Prometheus series...
I'm not convinced that Elden works as a character. I think his relationship with Francis is underdeveloped. There's no reader impact whatsoever when Francis uses the naive robot as a guinea pig.
David, Ash, and Bishop are all relatively "mature" compared to the super-naive Elden. Why is Elden so child-like? I feel the character really falls flat.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 26, 2015, 02:39:05 AM
After re-reading the entire Prometheus series...
I'm not convinced that Elden works as a character. I think his relationship with Francis is underdeveloped. There's no reader impact whatsoever when Francis uses the naive robot as a guinea pig.
David, Ash, and Bishop are all relatively "mature" compared to the super-naive Elden. Why is Elden so child-like? I feel the character really falls flat.
I'm not sure the impact is one of feeling bad for Elden but feeling angry at Francis for being a piece of shit. The thing is, Elden isn't developed at all, so it's hard to see him as anything but a machine. But maybe that's the point?
You're right that his personality doesn't fit with any of the other synthetics though. Never thought about it that way.
The problem is...even Francis is underdeveloped. Their whole dynamic fails to interest me as a reader. It's mentioned that Elden is a construct, not an android...I'm guessing constructs are like retarded cousins of androids.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 21, 2015, 06:44:52 PM
Tbh, all the titles in the FaS series are like Aliens vs. Prometheus, Prometheus, Aliens vs. Predator vs. Prometheus, and Predator vs. Prometheus. Prometheus has just taken over the AVP franchise, this is upsetting especially since I doubt Ridley even cares to mix the two universes anymore now that his new film is such a big hit.
It definitely feels like that, PredXeno.. It feels like that and there are a lot of changes going on. I am not even sure what is what anymore, and where what fits and how it fits.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 26, 2015, 04:27:50 AM
The problem is...even Francis is underdeveloped. Their whole dynamic fails to interest me as a reader. It's mentioned that Elden is a construct, not an android...I'm guessing constructs are like retarded cousins of androids.
In interviews, the writers have often lamented how comic books only give them 23 pages per issue and that
really limits the amount of character development that they would have liked to add, so it's not completely their fault that things ended the way they did.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 26, 2015, 04:27:50 AM
It's mentioned that Elden is a construct, not an android...I'm guessing constructs are like retarded cousins of androids.
That was my understanding since the very start of the series. It might also mean it's not a synthetic but some other variety of artificial life. Albeit, currently not as advanced as the normal synthetics.
That's been my interpretation since the start, anyway.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 21, 2015, 07:24:56 PM
I don't think it's fair to say that Prometheus has taken over the franchise. FaS is just one comic event, the first, and so far only, merging of all the franchises. The Titan novels and Alien: Isolation were essentially free of Prometheus influence, and that will probably be the case with the new trilogy.
Completely agree. It's a new aspect for them to explore so I can understand them being excited to do that. We'll start seeing small hints and tips of the hat but outside of this series, I don't see it being the only thing moving forwards.
I'm not against the idea of naive, child-like "constructs". Indeed, you could argue that they're a lot less dangerous than the likes of Ash...but I'd like some background on constructs and their relationship to androids and the purpose behind their design, just a little bit of clarification. Elden is a major character, I'd like to have a better understanding of his nature.
Ash is able to pass for a middle-aged science officer...I'd like to know why Elden is programmed to be a semi-imbecile.
I also think Prometheus F&S would've benefited from more interaction between Francis and Elden or simply more focus on Elden and what he is, how people treat him etc.
If I was handwaving, I'd say "look at the difference between computers now and computers 25 years ago. Now imagine how much faster technology would progress in the future. So there's a big jump between Elden, Ash's Model A2 (clearly a bit twitchy) and Bishop."
So once they had the basic "construct" they would improve on it pretty quickly. Also, it may be a good thing to have a child that will do what you say when you say (theoretically, those of us that have children know this couldn't be further from the truth).
I believe Prometheus F&S is set sometime after Aliens so that wouldn't be the issue.
of course it is. scratch that.
The concept is child-like "constructs" (as opposed to adult-like androids) is not implausible. I just feel that the series should've provide some background on the distinction and how "constructs" fit into the Aliens/Prometheus-verse
The greatest flaw is the lack of development for either Francis or Elden. Francis is simply some selfish guy who takes advantage of a stupid robot, and Elden is that stupid robot. I like how Francis and Elden
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make peace in the end
and that's about it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 26, 2015, 10:13:01 AM
I believe Prometheus F&S is set sometime after Aliens so that wouldn't be the issue.
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2219, so 40 years on from Aliens and Alien 3.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 27, 2015, 12:40:21 AM
The concept is child-like "constructs" (as opposed to adult-like androids) is not implausible. I just feel that the series should've provide some background on the distinction and how "constructs" fit into the Aliens/Prometheus-verse
The greatest flaw is the lack of development for either Francis or Elden. Francis is simply some selfish guy who takes advantage of a stupid robot, and Elden is that stupid robot. I like how Francis and Elden Spoiler
make peace in the end
I agree that FaS could have benefited from more room for character development. I almost find myself wanting DH to novelize FaS like they did with the comics back in the 90s. That would allow them to flesh things out quite a bit. Too bad that will never happen.
That'd be up to Titan now - they hold the license. And since there is some sort of dialogue there...might not be too hard to think of as happening.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 27, 2015, 01:11:09 AM
I agree that FaS could have benefited from more room for character development. I almost find myself wanting DH to novelize FaS like they did with the comics back in the 90s. That would allow them to flesh things out quite a bit. Too bad that will never happen.
This is what I was thinking too - also, with a novel, it wouldn't have to be as linear as the comics (eg, you could have a whole lot of chapters about the Predators and what they were up to) and of course, as mentioned a bit more motivation for each character (or at least some character's perceptions of the motivations of others).
I'd be up for reading that for sure.
I've been really impressed with Fire and Stone, but my lack of knowledge about the Predators is hampering me a bit. I think what little knowledge I have is a dangerous thing:
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Essentially, all I can see is that they've fallen into their traditional intergalactic bullyboy routine of hunting lower tech creatures as per usual. Of course, the motivation of the one-eyed dude (is that Ahab?) is to fight the Engineer, but I guess the why of that is yet to be revealed.
I was really worried reading this comic as far as the whole AvP universe goes to be honest and how it extends beyond the movies. An AvP film is pretty much what we have had in the past (be it in space with marines or not) and that's good for two hours. Or two movies even - but extending the Yatjua (sp) beyond that -- for me at this time -- presents some problems. As I say, my big weakness here is the fact that I'm not versed in the EU - and even if FaS is a reboot/retcon, some of the "standard" or "known" things from the EU must have been assumed by the writers (the deeper hunter cultural aspects and all that stuff which I'm sure has been delved into).
But from what I'm reading in FaS, even with the trappings of Aliens and Prometheus, the Preds seem to be a bit of a one-trick pony. I'm also not sure of the wisdom of providing them with dialogue that we can't read - I bet that that's actually English written in the predator typeface, though. I wonder if someone has gone through the pain of translating it).
It pains me to say it...but I rate AvP Xenogenesis above AvP F&S (yes...AvP F&S is that bad)
Quote from: happypred on Jan 27, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
It pains me to say it...but I rate AvP Xenogenesis above AvP F&S (yes...AvP F&S is that bad)
You're that angry about the story?
Quote from: happypred on Jan 27, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
It pains me to say it...but I rate AvP Xenogenesis above AvP F&S (yes...AvP F&S is that bad)
I agree, F&S was shit.
Although I did enjoy reading it for what it was.
It was a long time since we got anything new at all, in terms of fiction.
But it's really laughably badly written.
The art is really good though, especially in the prometheus branch.
The first review of Predator #4 is up, and it gets a 3/5. The writer avoids any major spoilers, but don't look if you want to go in blind.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/01/27/review-predator-fire-and-stone-4-of-4-dark-horse/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/01/27/review-predator-fire-and-stone-4-of-4-dark-horse/)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2015, 11:54:17 AM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 27, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
It pains me to say it...but I rate AvP Xenogenesis above AvP F&S (yes...AvP F&S is that bad)
You're that angry about the story?
Is he angry, or would it be more appropriate to say he was "that disappointed" with the story?
I personally was that disappointed with the story and find the majority of "old" stories to be superior.
Prometheus IS a part of the lore now, but that doesn't mean they needed to make it a HUGE part of the current story line for all four titles, especially given how divided the fanbase is over Prometheus.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 03:04:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2015, 11:54:17 AM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 27, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
It pains me to say it...but I rate AvP Xenogenesis above AvP F&S (yes...AvP F&S is that bad)
You're that angry about the story?
Is he angry, or would it be more appropriate to say he was "that disappointed" with the story?
Some of happy's earlier posts are somewhat angry about that title.
QuoteI personally was that disappointed with the story and find the majority of "old" stories to be superior.
I haven't read them all yet - still need to go pick up my copy of AvP #4, Predator #3 and Predator #4 isn't out yet, I don't believe - but I thoroughly enjoyed Prometheus (even if I was disappointed at the lack of conclusion. I wasn't too impressed with Aliens but I've been enjoying both AvP and Predator.
However, I'm waiting until I've read the story to its final conclusion before I really judge the story.
QuotePrometheus IS a part of the lore now, but that doesn't mean they needed to make it a HUGE part of the current story line for all four titles, especially given how divided the fanbase is over Prometheus.
For writers it must be very exciting as it's inserted some very interesting new narrative toys for them to play with so I can understand them wanting to experiment. And on the whole - judging from the reviews and sale figures - they've done a good job so far.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2015, 04:04:28 PM
For writers it must be very exciting as it's inserted some very interesting new narrative toys for them to play with so I can understand them wanting to experiment. And on the whole - judging from the reviews and sale figures - they've done a good job so far.
I think this is where we disagree. I don't think Prometheus really opened up anything new, unique, or interesting for the franchise and by extension the writers, unless you consider tired old tropes from other sci fi franchises "interesting". But, then again, if a fan hasn't been exposed to the tropes, its new and unique to them.
I actually appreciate how the writers have tried to fit Prometheus into the whole AVP universe, we had some pretty awesome things like:
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a human-alien hybrid, a black-goo predator, and an upcoming predator vs. engineer fight
I think the thing I don't like about the stories is the underlying philosophies they are trying to impart. I
never thought I'd be saying this, but I think there is just too much philosophical debate and too few action scenes. In the AVP arc, practically all the action scenes are underlined by Elden's or Francis's philosophical ideals.
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I think I would have preferred an ending where Francis actually finds a way to cure himself, but instead there's an ending where he dies and he explains to Elden in his dying words his beliefs regarding life and death.
I suppose the philosophical nature of the stories add deeper thematic elements to the tales, however I think many of us AVP fans purchase these comics for the awesome fight sequences which is why all this philosophical talk is kinda detracting to us.
Quote from: Russ on Jan 27, 2015, 10:00:48 AMI bet that that's actually English written in the predator typeface, though. I wonder if someone has gone through the pain of translating it).
The font used in Predator dialogue isn't this one.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjokerdesigns.com%2Fthehunted%2Fyautja%2Fpredator-font.jpg&hash=5b8d97a4535c7e1c73eac9aee0f13048fa20125c)
I've got no idea what they're speaking in the comics. Some of the monitors in the ship use the normal font, but it's just gibberish if you translate it into English.
One of the Predators either uses an "a" or "I" here. I'm guessing it's an a because of the letter's shape.
I wonder if the writers will ever release a translation guide for this language.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 07:06:50 PM
I actually appreciate how the writers have tried to fit Prometheus into the whole AVP universe, we had some pretty awesome things like:
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a human-alien hybrid, a black-goo predator, and an upcoming predator vs. engineer fight
We already had the introduction of "hybrids" in Alien Resurrection so that's not a new idea, and that, along with the other things you mentioned, are about as "awesome" as that four-armed Predator in the Predators comic.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
We already had the introduction of "hybrids" in Alien Resurrection so that's not a new idea, and that, along with the other things you mentioned, are about as "awesome" as that four-armed Predator in the Predators comic.
Can we forget that abomination?
On the brighter side, for me at least.. most EU material from 2010 has disillusioned me as to whether or not I should take them or not. I mean for me it seems like the new stuff.. most of the new stuff since then has me convinced I don't have to accept them as canon. Thanks to the PREDATORS comics, and of course Colonial Marines.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 07:06:50 PM
I actually appreciate how the writers have tried to fit Prometheus into the whole AVP universe, we had some pretty awesome things like:
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a human-alien hybrid, a black-goo predator, and an upcoming predator vs. engineer fight
We already had the introduction of "hybrids" in Alien Resurrection so that's not a new idea, and that, along with the other things you mentioned, are about as "awesome" as that four-armed Predator in the Predators comic.
It's nice to see some crossover though, it's a reminder to us, fans, that everything is still in one universe; going into denial about it has never struck me as a very healthy attitude to approach life, no matter how bad the stories were/are.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 09:47:19 PM
It's nice to see some crossover though, it's a reminder to us, fans, that everything is still in one universe; going into denial about it has never struck me as a very healthy attitude to approach life, no matter how bad the stories were/are.
As much as I liked the AvP films, are you implying those are included too despite the film material (Prometheus in particular) suggesting otherwise?
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 07:06:50 PM
I actually appreciate how the writers have tried to fit Prometheus into the whole AVP universe, we had some pretty awesome things like:
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a human-alien hybrid, a black-goo predator, and an upcoming predator vs. engineer fight
We already had the introduction of "hybrids" in Alien Resurrection so that's not a new idea, and that, along with the other things you mentioned, are about as "awesome" as that four-armed Predator in the Predators comic.
It's nice to see some crossover though, it's a reminder to us, fans, that everything is still in one universe; going into denial about it has never struck me as a very healthy attitude to approach life, no matter how bad the stories were/are.
What was I going into denial about?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 27, 2015, 09:51:50 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 09:47:19 PM
It's nice to see some crossover though, it's a reminder to us, fans, that everything is still in one universe; going into denial about it has never struck me as a very healthy attitude to approach life, no matter how bad the stories were/are.
As much as I liked the AvP films, are you implying those are included too despite the film material (Prometheus in particular) suggesting otherwise?
Yes, regardless of what franchise or series we're talking about, there will
always be discrepancies. For example, in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, Luke asks Leia about their biological mother and Leia tells her brother that she has memories of her while growing up however in Episode 3, Padme is revealed to have died shortly after their birth thus providing a clear discrepancy between the films. We can't nullify Revenge of the Sith (or the entire Prequel Trilogy) because of this, no matter how much some fans want to, the same goes with Prometheus and the AVP films.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 09:47:19 PM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 07:06:50 PM
I actually appreciate how the writers have tried to fit Prometheus into the whole AVP universe, we had some pretty awesome things like:
Spoiler
a human-alien hybrid, a black-goo predator, and an upcoming predator vs. engineer fight
We already had the introduction of "hybrids" in Alien Resurrection so that's not a new idea, and that, along with the other things you mentioned, are about as "awesome" as that four-armed Predator in the Predators comic.
It's nice to see some crossover though, it's a reminder to us, fans, that everything is still in one universe; going into denial about it has never struck me as a very healthy attitude to approach life, no matter how bad the stories were/are.
What was I going into denial about?
No, no, I wasn't talking about you. I was just speaking in general about people I have met over the years. Sorry, if I accidentally offended you. :(
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 27, 2015, 10:43:40 PM
No, no, I wasn't talking about you. I was just speaking in general about people I have met over the years. Sorry, if I accidentally offended you. :(
No worries. You didn't offend me. I was just confused because you quoted me when you said it and I was just trying to figure out where the comment was coming from. :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2015, 11:54:17 AMYou're that angry about the story?
I was really disappointed. I was expecting a solid AvP story, not a mutant free-for-all
Quote from: bobby brown on Jan 27, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
I agree, F&S was shit.
AvP F&S is definitely sh*t. The other series are OK.
Aliens was really flat...no tension but still a decent read.
Prometheus and Predator were OK.
AvP F&S <<< AvP Prey (or even AvP Civilised Beasts)
Aliens F&S <<< Aliens Sacrifice
Predator F&S <<< Predator Big Game
Overall, F&S is not great but not terrible.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 03:04:09 PM
Prometheus IS a part of the lore now, but that doesn't mean they needed to make it a HUGE part of the current story line for all four titles, especially given how divided the fanbase is over Prometheus.
I don't mind injecting Prometheus into the franchise if it's done well.
The movie was underwhelming. The concepts are still pretty good. Good writers could handle them well in comics. I wasn't that impressed with the writing for F&S
I wonder how people compare this series to the previous one, the Three World War series and its Aliens/Predator counterparts? Is this an upgrade compared to those stories or is this the latest in the downward spiral of slop that many fans claim the franchise is churning up?
For me, FaS is a major improvement from the '09/'10 series. There were a few things I haven't loved, but overall I've greatly enjoyed the different direction that Prometheus introduced. The TWW event felt like a cheap cash-in on Noguchi nostalgia. People can definitely criticize FaS, but I'm refreshed that DH was bold enough to do some of the things they did with it. It also has some good, strong characters like Elden and Ahab.
If anything, FaS, in terms of writing and sales, has renewed my hope for the comics side of the franchise, whereas TWW seemed to be a nail in the coffin.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 28, 2015, 02:52:21 AM
I wonder how people compare this series to the previous one, the Three World War series and its Aliens/Predator counterparts? Is this an upgrade compared to those stories or is this the latest in the downward spiral of slop that many fans claim the franchise is churning up?
F&S is definitely much better than Three World War. TWW is garbage. F&S is decent.
EDIT: I have to disagree with Ultra over a significant point. Elden is a terribly exectuted character IMO
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Jan 27, 2015, 04:25:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2015, 04:04:28 PM
For writers it must be very exciting as it's inserted some very interesting new narrative toys for them to play with so I can understand them wanting to experiment. And on the whole - judging from the reviews and sale figures - they've done a good job so far.
I think this is where we disagree. I don't think Prometheus really opened up anything new, unique, or interesting for the franchise and by extension the writers, unless you consider tired old tropes from other sci fi franchises "interesting". But, then again, if a fan hasn't been exposed to the tropes, its new and unique to them.
In terms of new for Aliens/vs/Predator/Prometheus. I find there to be very little originality left over-all.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jan 28, 2015, 02:56:59 AM
For me, FaS is a major improvement from the '09/'10 series. There were a few things I haven't loved, but overall I've greatly enjoyed the different direction that Prometheus introduced. The TWW event felt like a cheap cash-in on Noguchi nostalgia. People can definitely criticize FaS, but I'm refreshed that DH was bold enough to do some of the things they did with it. It also has some good, strong characters like Elden and Ahab.
If anything, FaS, in terms of writing and sales, has renewed my hope for the comics side of the franchise, whereas TWW seemed to be a nail in the coffin.
Indeed. I agree. The 09/10 reboot wanted to be what this one was (has been so far - like I said, I haven't finished the series yet and wont completely judge it until I have). I loved Aliens - I thought it was a great series and Sereda was really cool - but it never went anywhere. Sereda wasn't utilized properly in 3WW, the mystery planet wasn't explored and the Alien appearance wasn't (despite being told we would).
The Predator series was just rubbish. Went nowhere and did nothing.
3WW, I think is let down by the artwork most of all. I loved the premise and the plot. I loved seeing the bigger scale of it - but that artwork. As much as I think it suited the action scenes, it just didn't work for anything else.
Like I've said earlier, I'm enjoying where I am so far. I think Prometheus was a really strong start to the series. We're introduced to Elden (whom I love so far), we've got fantastic art and we've got some strange Engineer (whoses motivations we just don't know).
Aliens I wasn't keen on because I felt it hasn't really contributed. AvP, I'm enjoying but it isn't what is advertised on the tin. It's not focused on the title and that is a problem for people like Happy. However, I don't think they're really going to get the most out of Elden by the conclusion of the series - all his riffing about what he was turning into, the knowledge he has, etc. I don't see it being explored by the end of this - which is what I think could be most interesting for him. I'll pick up the final issue at the weekend.
Predator has also been really strong. Again, good artwork and great writing. Ahab is shaping up to be my favourite Predator character.
But as I keep saying, I reserve complete judgement until after I've read Omega.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 28, 2015, 08:23:45 AMAvP, I'm enjoying but it isn't what is advertised on the tin. It's not focused on the title and that is a problem for people like Happy.
Not just the title but also Sebela's promises at the panel interview.
Even disregarding the issue of false advertisement, I think the AvP series is weak judging purely by its merits. Elden is a really annoying, repetitive, one-dimensional character IMO
Quote from: Quarax on Jan 27, 2015, 07:26:56 PM
The font used in Predator dialogue isn't this one.
That doesn't compute *lol* - If it were me, I'd definitely use the existing font and give them actual dialogue. The did this back in the Superman / Batman comics where Kara Zor-El first turns up in that they used the Kryptonian type-face - and of course, there were folk out there that translated it. It was great for the nerd-core fan.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 28, 2015, 09:23:27 AM
Elden is a really annoying, repetitive, one-dimensional character IMO
I can't agree with you here as I'm loving him. A lot. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all ties up and where they take him.
Here is another review for Predator #4. It is very positive. There are some major spoilers.
http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/predator-fire-stone-4/ (http://hulkingreviewer.com/home/reviews/predator-fire-stone-4/)
Just finished it. I think it was best ending so far.
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However I have hard time digesting Engineers skeleton survived such blast.
Looking forward to omega. I hope we'll have proper ending for whole story in it. Elden, Alien Queen and maybe deacon included.
So.. since I haven't read the Predator series. Anyone want to tell me..
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What the relationship between the Predators and Engineers are? And how Ahab manages to kill the Engineer?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 28, 2015, 07:00:45 PM
So.. since I haven't read the Predator series. Anyone want to tell me..
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What the relationship between the Predators and Engineers are? And how Ahab manages to kill the Engineer?
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There is no relationship suggested. Predator kills Engineer with his wrist bomb, after a heavy fight and human help.
So Ahab...
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Doesn't really get a trophy considering how he kills the Engineer? I was hoping to hear that he ripped out it's spine!
Read my post second post above.
Quote from: Master on Jan 28, 2015, 07:57:18 PM
Read my post second post above.
I saw that just now and I just have to say this...
....What?!
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Engineers skeletons are THAT durable?
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At point blank range...
DA FUQ?!!
Apparently ::)
Quote from: Master on Jan 28, 2015, 05:01:07 PM
Just finished it. I think it was best ending so far.
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However I have hard time digesting Engineers skeleton survived such blast.
Looking forward to omega. I hope we'll have proper ending for whole story in it. Elden, Alien Queen and maybe deacon included.
Don't forget Russell. ;)
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 28, 2015, 08:16:39 PM
Quote from: Master on Jan 28, 2015, 07:57:18 PM
Read my post second post above.
I saw that just now and I just have to say this...
....What?!
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Engineers skeletons are THAT durable?
I was actually thinking the same thing. Since Engineer and human DNA are a perfect match for each other, I'm asking why aren't our skeletons like that?
I picked up the digital version of Predator #4 today, and I thought it was a great finale to the strong Predator: FaS series. Full review, with spoilers, below.
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Let me start by saying that this miniseries proves that Prometheus can be mixed with A/v/P without diluting the identity of those series. If AvP: FaS didn't really work as an AvP story, Predator: FaS succeeded as a Predator story of the most classic kind. Ahab's prey may have been an Engineer, and the hunting ground may have been LV-223, but at heart this was a Predator story.
I found Ahab refreshing as a character. He may have teamed up with Galgo when it convenient for him, but Williamson was very successful in differentiating him from Scar, or even Broken Tusk. Ahab is no space samurai, and the scene where he's preparing to suicidally blow up the Perses in order to bring down the Engineer really conveys how mad he is in his quest after the White Whale. He earns his nickname here, and I hope that we get to see more of him in future series. I also liked how Williamson held off on having Ahab use his human vocal mimicry until a key moment in the confrontation with the Engineer. That was a very neat nod to the first two Predator films.
As far as the actual fight between Ahab and the Engineer, I found it pretty satisfying, and Mooneyham's art was well suited to showing just how brutal a confrontation it is. I loved the image of Ahab with the Engineer's skull, as well as the final image of him battling that giant millipede creature. It was neat to see Ahab use his invisibility and barbed projectiles to his advantage. The way the Engineer just keeps coming despite all his injuries was effective at communicating just how powerful they are, and between this comic and the film, I like how the Engineers have been portrayed as so quick to anger that they will put themselves into deadly situations pursuing and trying to pummel to death something that has angered them. These are clearly not tender loving gods.
It was nice, if eminently predictable, to see Galgo come to Ahab's rescue, and his character has grown on me, even if he is fairly one-dimensional. He showed good growth, finally facing a fight rather than running away.
As far as the ending, it was quite cool to have a Predator comic where the main Predator lives to hunt another day, and I thought the ending was a nice bookend while also working as an enticing tease for what we can expect in Omega. Hopefully DeConnick can wrap up the numerous loose ends and deliver a satisfying conclusion to FaS. At least we only have to wait another two weeks!
Ol' Ahab might be a bit old and decrepit but
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he is one tough motherfu__er himself, considering how much damage he survives. He's also back in shape for giant centipede-hunting in a fairly short time. I hope Ahab doesn't kick the bucket in Omega. It would be nice to have a recurring predator character
So the fight between Ahab and the Engineer wasn't one sided?
Hmmmm.. GOOD!! I was worried that it was going to be considering that the same Engineer laid waste to piles and piles of Xenomorphs, seemingly with his bare hands from what I know.. which is little as it is.
Nah, the writers were smart enough to know better than to make such an EPIC fight completely biased to one specific party.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 29, 2015, 03:10:56 AM
So the fight between Ahab and the Engineer wasn't one sided?
It is somewhat one-sided as
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the Engineer is insanely durable. It takes a pointblank wristbomb explosion to kill him. Ahab does manage to hurt the Engineer rather badly but Galgo's help is definitely crucial. I don't think ol' Ahab would've pulled it off by himself.
That said...Ahab still limits his tactics to a semblance of honour. He doesn't spam his shoulder cannon, and he is uncloaked for most of the fight. It could be argued that he would've done a lot better had he not initiated the fight by attempting to brawl the Engineer with his fists.
He takes a serious beating because he literally attempts to box with the Engineer. Physically, Ahab is past his prime I believe...so I thought it was a tad foolhardy of him to trade punches with the Engineer. I suppose that's part of Ahab's personality
Well keep in mind that Ahab is old and far past his prime.. Which raises a question.
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Could a Predator in his prime and with ample experience and skill, comparable to either Ahab or Dachande take on an Engineer more so than an older Predator who is well out of his prime?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 29, 2015, 05:59:19 AM
Well keep in mind that Ahab is old and far past his prime.. Which raises a question.
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Could a Predator in his prime and with ample experience and skill, comparable to either Ahab or Dachande take on an Engineer more so than an older Predator who is well out of his prime?
Probably not...I don't think a predator could beat an Engineer in a brawl. The Engineer would simply be too durable.
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However, a predator might win if he employs "cheap" tactics (i.e. shoulder cannon spam). It would probably be wise to aim for the Engineer's head if it's exposed as I think the Engineer's bodysuit might function as armour. Also, Engineer weapons are obviously powerful enough to wreck Engineers. A predator armed with an Engineer gun could easily snipe an Engineer. If Ahab had kept the Engineer gun instead of returning it to Galgo, Ahab could've easily blasted the Engineer...but in light of his personality, I doubt Ahab would've done that. Ahab seems to be intent on testing himself against the Engineer physically, which doesn't end well for him.
The Predators often have an honor code when it comes to fighting worthy prey, recall how Dutch and Chet faced their respective Predator foes who disarmed themselves to make a fair fight? Also, Ahab isn't the first Predator to ever kill an Engineer; if we take the Space Jockey skull in AVPR literally then it appears that a Predator has killed one of their kind before, albeit they may not have realized the elephant-head was just a helmet and may have mistakened it as part of the being's skull (something everyone appears to have done until Prometheus was released ;)).
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 29, 2015, 06:26:46 AM
The Predators often have an honor code when it comes to fighting worthy prey
Ahab does cheat a bit though...when it's going badly he's not above using shoulder cannon or cloaking to give himself a moment's respite
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 29, 2015, 06:26:46 AM
The Predators often have an honor code when it comes to fighting worthy prey, recall how Dutch and Chet faced their respective Predator foes who disarmed themselves to make a fair fight? Also, Ahab isn't the first Predator to ever kill an Engineer; if we take the Space Jockey skull in AVPR literally then it appears that a Predator has killed one of their kind before, albeit they may not have realized the elephant-head was just a helmet and may have mistakened it as part of the being's skull (something everyone appears to have done until Prometheus was released ;)).
You know that is something which has bothered me about the fandom is the adamant claim that Predators take only the skulls. There is nothing in any of the official material, canon or non-canon and this includes crossovers which suggests that Predators don't take trophies of other varieties aside from skulls. If anything, from my understanding they take many things as trophies, more than just skulls-- although skull claiming would be an orthodox means of acquiring a trophy but there is nothing suggesting that they don't take other things.
Greyback took Raphael Adolini's flintlock, and then there was another Elder who had claimed Subotai's sword. So there is some evidence that Predators sometimes do take other objects as trophies aside from skulls. So I don't see it being out of the realm for a Predator to claim a helmet as a means of taking a trophy. I mean as cringeworthy as Deadliest of the Species is.. and I know they are just easter eggs but we do see Batman's skull and cowl, as well as Magneto's skull and helmet, and Cyclops' skull and visor. So I don't see it as unreasonable for a Predator to take an Engineer helmet.
And that is assuming of course, Prometheus and the AvP films are set in the same universe. I say assume because I don't believe they are and instead follow different continuity paths.. Of course, that goes with this theory I have anyways.
Smiley takes a Queen's tail-blade as a trophy...her massive noggin would probably be too cumbersome for him to carry
Quote from: happypred on Jan 29, 2015, 07:45:51 AM
Smiley takes a Queen's tail-blade as a trophy.
So did the Predators in Capcom's AvP Arcade!
The nostalgia...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.tvtropes.org%2Fpmwiki%2Fpub%2Fimages%2FAVP_Capcom_5373.jpg&hash=3ffedc6bd64b793a379aaca41b9df5078c3804bd)
If you ask me, and this is my opinion and perhaps mine only.. Those were the better days. That was when AvP was sort of in it's hey-day, when we had the Kenner toys and everything.
Fire & Stone isn't bad. I just have really high expectations and a strong sense of nostalgia. I view the past through rose-tinted glasses, I can't help it.
I'd give the 2009 series a 3 or 4 out of 10. I'd say Fire and Stone deserves a 7.5
If Omega is good, I think the aggregate score might be boosted to 8 or higher. Omega's art looks absolutely spectacular. I have high hopes for it.
That's a pretty big swing around for you.
I'm pretty excited to pick up my issues this Saturday.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2015, 08:56:50 AM
That's a pretty big swing around for you.
I'm pretty excited to pick up my issues this Saturday.
Not really...AvP Fire and Stone is bad. Elden is a bad character. That doesn't mean the entire Fire and Stone series is rubbish. 7.5 isn't a great score in my book. It's just "OK". Academically, 75% is like what...a C?
Which is good. Anything above a 6 is good. 6 is okay.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
Which is good. Anything above a 6 is good. 6 is okay.
Well, at my school, below 60 was an F. 60 was not good. It was considered very bad...like on the edge of failing. 75 was acceptable. 80 was considered "OK". 90 or above was considered good.
Completely different scale from how I've always judged. xD
Don't think we're ever destined to agree, my friend.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 29, 2015, 03:44:56 PMWell, at my school, below 60 was an F. 60 was not good. It was considered very bad...like on the edge of failing. 75 was acceptable. 80 was considered "OK". 90 or above was considered good.
That's all well and good in exams but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me when rating media! :)
If 60 is a bad comic, what's even the point of having 0-40%?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2015, 04:12:01 PM
If 60 is a bad comic, what's even the point of having 0-40%?
Because things like Alien/Predator/Witchblade/Darkness and Predator vs JLA exist. :laugh:
But seriously, I agree, 7 and above is good by my standards. 9s and 10s are what I reserve for the rare, almost perfect comic. FaS overall is getting an 8 from me, so far.
I'm at a 7 at my current stage but we'll see how it finishes.
They definitely set up a lot that needs to be addressed in Omega. I would hate to see them drop the ball at the very end. On the other hand, if it lives up to expectations, it will be a great cap-off to a good run.
I really quite liked the ending to the Predator arc, even if I had expected a little bit more out of it. Still, Galgo is my favorite of the Fire and Stone characters, and I'd say he's the most developed, or at least the best developed in terms of writing. Elden had some ham-fisted shit shoved into him later on.
I'd go Prometheus > Predator > Aliens > AvP in terms of ranking the four series.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2015, 04:12:01 PMThat's all well and good in exams but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me when rating media! :)
If 60 is a bad comic, what's even the point of having 0-40%?
60 would be barely passing...below 60 would be varying degrees of fail.
Good comics would get 90 to 92 (A-）
Very good comics would get 93-96 (A)
Exceptionally good comics would get 97-100 (A+)
For instance, I'd give AvP Prey a 92 and Civilised Beasts an 85
Quote from: happypred on Jan 30, 2015, 06:13:45 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2015, 04:12:01 PMThat's all well and good in exams but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me when rating media! :)
If 60 is a bad comic, what's even the point of having 0-40%?
60 would be barely passing...below 60 would be varying degrees of fail.
Good comics would get 90 to 92 (A-）
Very good comics would get 93-96 (A)
Exceptionally good comics would get 97-100 (A+)
For instance, I'd give AvP Prey a 92 and Civilised Beasts an 85
Scores and grades are different. But if you question a review score, go look up the review guide for whatever site you're on. They'll explain what the numbers mean.
Quote from: CONKERSBADFURDAY on Feb 01, 2015, 05:36:18 PMScores and grades are different. But if you question a review score, go look up the review guide for whatever site you're on. They'll explain what the numbers mean.
Yeah...I'm just explaining my system of scoring. I prefer to score out of 100 rather than out of 10. If I do score out of 10, I'll usually include decimals.
So did they just cliff hang the end? with no mention of some more possible entries in the series?
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 08, 2015, 03:45:52 AM
So did they just cliff hang the end? with no mention of some more possible entries in the series?
Can't be sure until Omega comes out on Wednesday.
Isnt omega just like every single fire and stone rolled together? hopefully in a timeline that makes sense cause i went back to reread and got confused in the order
No. It's a concluding comic.
Hey do not come out in the uk for 2 months
Quote from: polaris1924 on Feb 08, 2015, 10:37:54 PM
Hey do not come out in the uk for 2 months
You could always get them digitally. I like to read digital comics on my tablet. It's really convenient.
The series' are out individually over in the UK - that's where I'm based. But the collected versions aren't out for anyone yet.
Is Omega just going to be the one issue?
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 09, 2015, 03:44:11 PM
Is Omega just going to be the one issue?
Yup, but it's a 44-page special issue.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 09, 2015, 03:48:00 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 09, 2015, 03:44:11 PM
Is Omega just going to be the one issue?
Yup, but it's a 44-page special issue.
Even so, I'd question if that is really long enough to tie up everything presented thus far. I hope it's not too rushed.
I agree, they have a lot to do in 44 pages. And as far as it being rushed, DeConnick didn't exactly inspire confidence in a recent interview she did with Joshua Williamson. Beware of spoilers in the full interview.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/ (http://www.comicvine.com/articles/josh-williamson-interviews-kelly-sue-on-prometheus/1100-150946/)
QuoteKS: Yeah, I had a whole fight scene with giant parasites inside the mountain that I wanted to do for several reasons — I liked the visual, and I thought we needed it for pacing and stakes, but I just didn't have the real estate for it in the end and that bummed me out. I feel like the book should have been about 10-15 pages longer. Feels like it wraps up too fast to me.
That said, as the culmination of the whole, it's not fast, so I have that to wipe my tears with.
Not sure what to make of the Fire and Stone series, I got all them at the moment bar Omega, they started off not bad, I like the Alien intro and shows a bit about hadley's hope but it got a little daft when
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an android is able to be infected by the accelerant (black goo) which is only supposed to affect biological stuff and force evolution, the android become this white biomechanic looking being similar to an Engineer, ultramorph has him as a pic ;D
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 09, 2015, 07:37:29 PMSpoiler
an android is able to be infected by the accelerant (black goo) which is only supposed to affect biological stuff and force evolution, the android become this white biomechanic looking being similar to an Engineer, ultramorph has him as a pic ;D
In all fairness, the human scientists in Prometheus believed that the accelerant affected DNA. That doesn't necessarily mean the accelerant can't affect something without DNA. Observed effects =/= all effects
Engineer technology could be so sophisticated that the black goo is capable of "mutating" machines. How this is accomplished is up to speculation (nano-technology perhaps?)
There's also the possibility that "constructs" are more organic than you're assuming. You're assuming that Elden is an android. We know that there's a distinction between constructs and androids in the universe. Constructs seem to be more child-like...I suppose they could also be more organic? Could constructs be built from an organic human base?
Of course, the other possibility is that the writers f*cked up.
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Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 09, 2015, 07:37:29 PMSpoiler
an android is able to be infected by the accelerant (black goo) which is only supposed to affect biological stuff and force evolution, the android become this white biomechanic looking being similar to an Engineer, ultramorph has him as a pic ;D
In all fairness, the human scientists in Prometheus believed that the accelerant affected DNA. That doesn't necessarily mean the accelerant can't affect something without DNA. Observed effects =/= all effects
Engineer technology could be so sophisticated that the black goo is capable of "mutating" machines. How this is accomplished is up to speculation (nano-technology perhaps?)
There's also the possibility that "constructs" are more organic than you're assuming. You're assuming that Elden is an android. We know that there's a distinction between constructs and androids in the universe. Constructs seem to be more child-like...I suppose they could also be more organic? Could constructs be built from an organic human base?
Of course, the other possibility is that the writers f*cked up.
Regardless, an explanation should have been given in light of the events from the movie. This sort of thing should not be left to speculation. They have one book left to explain it within the story arc.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 10, 2015, 03:14:03 AMThis sort of thing should not be left to speculation.
True...it needs to be addressed.
We havnet really learned anything about the goo except it can
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affect/create an entire environment, Carbon/silicon (who knows what androids are made of) based material.
And all the crazy doctor did was ramble on about needing to know what it can do and how to basically purify it.
And how did that kid get the idea
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of injecting it into an android?
This series, though entertaining, ahs not really contribute anything to either aliens, predator or avp. only prometheus.
I felt the aliens story short and lacking.. I might just have to find a chronological order and read them all again nthough
The first Prometheus Omega review is up. I haven't read it, because I don't want spoilers, but I did skim last paragraph, and it's clear the review is positive. Beware of huge spoilers if you decide to look.
http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4709-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-Omega (http://www.rockshockpop.com/forums/content.php?4709-Prometheus-Fire-And-Stone-Omega)
Another review is up for
Omega. There are not many spoilers except for a panel from the book that was not featured in the preview this past month. I will need some context as to what is going on, but it does involve one of the main characters in the book.
http://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-prometheus-fire-stone-omega/ (http://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-prometheus-fire-stone-omega/)
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Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 10, 2015, 06:19:09 PM
Another review is up for Omega. There are not many spoilers except for a panel from the book that was not featured in the preview this past month. I will need some context as to what is going on, but it does involve one of the main characters in the book.
http://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-prometheus-fire-stone-omega/ (http://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-prometheus-fire-stone-omega/)
Review Excerpt: While the Aliens/AVP/Prometheus/Predator comics are connected, that connection had been fairly loose, until now.
I'd call the connection between the comics a bit more than "loose", but I guess that is just me.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 10, 2015, 06:19:09 PMI will need some context as to what is going on, but it does involve one of the main characters in the book.
I quickly scrolled down and looked at the pic, and...
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Wow, it looks like my suspicion was right and Elden does wind up having some sort of connection to the mural in the Big Head Room.
So umm...could someone spoil this for me?
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Does Ahab survive?
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 10, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 10, 2015, 06:19:09 PM
Another review is up for Omega. There are not many spoilers except for a panel from the book that was not featured in the preview this past month. I will need some context as to what is going on, but it does involve one of the main characters in the book.
http://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-prometheus-fire-stone-omega/ (http://www.comiccrusaders.com/review-prometheus-fire-stone-omega/)
Review Excerpt: While the Aliens/AVP/Prometheus/Predator comics are connected, that connection had been fairly loose, until now.
I'd call the connection between the comics a bit more than "loose", but I guess that is just me.
Yeah, the comics have referenced each other pretty directly since the 90s, just not all that often. We even had directly linked crossover series (Xenogenesis). But it's no big secret that they've all been set in the same "universe".
Quote from: happypred on Feb 11, 2015, 07:18:58 AM
So umm...could someone spoil this for me?
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Does Ahab survive?
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He does. He survives along with Angela and Galgo.
Hey guys,
I just had a chat with Fire and Stone head writer Kelly Sue DeConnick on behalf of BigComicPage.com about the Omega issue, the F&S event in general, her initial feelings on licensed properties, and a lot of other cool stuff.
May be ever so slightly spoileriffic, so approach with caution if you haven't read the finale yet.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/02/11/bcp-interview-kelly-sue-deconnick-talks-prometheus-fire-and-stone/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/02/11/bcp-interview-kelly-sue-deconnick-talks-prometheus-fire-and-stone/)
Quote from: CeejSays on Feb 11, 2015, 04:42:12 PM
Hey guys,
I just had a chat with Fire and Stone head writer Kelly Sue DeConnick on behalf of BigComicPage.com about the Omega issue, the F&S event in general, her initial feelings on licensed properties, and a lot of other cool stuff.
May be ever so slightly spoileriffic, so approach with caution if you haven't read the finale yet.
http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/02/11/bcp-interview-kelly-sue-deconnick-talks-prometheus-fire-and-stone/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/02/11/bcp-interview-kelly-sue-deconnick-talks-prometheus-fire-and-stone/)
Yeah, I read that interview. It was really neat to see her insight into the whole thing. When will your review be up for
Omega? Also, what was your general consensus on it?
So since I haven't read the comic and likely won't be picking it up.. Just a few spoiler questions.
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Is there any relationship established between the Engineers and the Predators mentioned in passing dialogue?
Does Elden die? If so, how does he happen to do so?
Are the Predators naturally evolved or creations or is this never mentioned?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 07:05:57 PM
So since I haven't read the comic and likely won't be picking it up.. Just a few spoiler questions.
Spoiler
Is there any relationship established between the Engineers and the Predators mentioned in passing dialogue?
Does Elden die? If so, how does he happen to do so?
Are the Predators naturally evolved or creations or is this never mentioned?
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There is no relationship established between the Engineers or Predators.
Elden does indeed die. He sacrifices himself so Angela, Galgo, and Ahab can escape. He fuses himself with the "mountain" which is actually the Deacon. Now, before you judge the concept, there is nothing outlandish like a Deacon Kaiju. The Deacon has just somehow grown around the Prometheus ship. Somehow, the black goo managed to help evolve the creature. It is never explained how though.
The Predator race origins are not even mentioned.
Regarding constructs.
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Quote from: Quarax on Feb 11, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Regarding constructs.
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Which doesn't make sense to me, as I really didn't read the comics and likely won't.. but I do remember seeing interior art where Elden has..
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Essentially the same working parts as a standard synthetic-- right down to the lubrication fluid and the wires and beads. So what is the exact damn difference between a construct and a synthetic?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 11, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Regarding constructs.
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Which doesn't make sense to me, as I really didn't read the comics and likely won't.. but I do remember seeing interior art where Elden has..
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Essentially the same working parts as a standard synthetic-- right down to the lubrication fluid and the wires and beads. So what is the exact damn difference between a construct and a synthetic?
I'm thinking he is a construct because they probably wanted to make some sort of Frankenstein (seeking purpose) connection with the character and Frankenstein is perhaps the best known conflicted construct.
Regarding Elden:
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He is part organic and part machine. In other words, he has organic tissue over his mechanical parts. It isn't exactly like the synthetics because they had white blood with cables which seemed like tissue. What I think happened was that the black substance mutated the organic material to take over the rest of Elden's being causing his machine parts to malfunction. In the Prometheus book, he was bleeding blood.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
Regarding Elden:
Spoiler
He is part organic and part machine. In other words, he has organic tissue over his mechanical parts. It isn't exactly like the synthetics because they had white blood with cables which seemed like tissue. What I think happened was that the black substance mutated the organic material to take over the rest of Elden's being causing his machine parts to malfunction. In the Prometheus book, he was bleeding blood.
He'll be back. Skynet will just keep sending more so we have the same story over and over and over again.
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 11, 2015, 08:54:27 PM
He'll be back. Skynet will just keep sending more so we have the same story over and over and over again.
I think that you have the wrong franchise. :laugh:
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:58:50 PM
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 11, 2015, 08:54:27 PM
He'll be back. Skynet will just keep sending more so we have the same story over and over and over again.
I think that you have the wrong franchise. :laugh:
What are you talking about? Everything is one big franchise now. Just wait until you see "Planet of the Alien Ape Predator Terminators in a Galaxy Far Far Away"
Quote from: Visceral_Mass on Feb 11, 2015, 09:04:29 PM
What are you talking about? Everything is one big franchise now. Just wait until you see "Planet of the Alien Ape Predator Terminators in a Galaxy Far Far Away"
If that is the idea behind a sequel to
Spaceballs, count me in. :laugh:
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 11, 2015, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 11, 2015, 07:05:57 PM
So since I haven't read the comic and likely won't be picking it up.. Just a few spoiler questions.
Spoiler
Is there any relationship established between the Engineers and the Predators mentioned in passing dialogue?
Does Elden die? If so, how does he happen to do so?
Are the Predators naturally evolved or creations or is this never mentioned?
Spoiler
There is no relationship established between the Engineers or Predators.
Elden does indeed die. He sacrifices himself so Angela, Galgo, and Ahab can escape. He fuses himself with the "mountain" which is actually the Deacon. Now, before you judge the concept, there is nothing outlandish like a Deacon Kaiju. The Deacon has just somehow grown around the Prometheus ship. Somehow, the black goo managed to help evolve the creature. It is never explained how though.
The Predator race origins are not even mentioned.
Personally I thought this was alluding to the Predator race origins:
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Yeah but Elden at this point was losing his mind as he was going through his metamorphosis. I don't think his quotations there are something really worth much if anything at all considering what he was going through. You know, delusions of an addled mind.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 11, 2015, 05:15:23 PM
Yeah, I read that interview. It was really neat to see her insight into the whole thing. When will your review be up for Omega? Also, what was your general consensus on it?
Review is now up - http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/02/11/review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-omega-dark-horse-comics/ (http://bigcomicpage.com/2015/02/11/review-prometheus-fire-and-stone-omega-dark-horse-comics/)
As a finale, I was pretty pleased with it. Tied everything together, left things open for future writers to move on with it down the line. Maybe felt a little rushed in places (which is something I know Kelly thought herself, but her hands were kind of tied about it), but ultimately a great conclusion to a crossover I've thoroughly enjoyed. Well, aside from the AvP arc.
http://wethenerdy.com/prometheus-fire-and-stone-omega-review/ (http://wethenerdy.com/prometheus-fire-and-stone-omega-review/)
I too enjoyed the comic, though I can see why others might not. It's one of THOSE! Artwork was as fantastic as ever, and the writing was excellent. Comic needed a few more pages to really get things right, but it still managed to do a lot with what it had.
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 11, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Regarding constructs.
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I'm glad they explained what he is. I had written off this series as stupid nonsense when I first heard there was a mutating android but now i'll be giving it another shot. Its basically like the skin jobs from Blade Runner. Same concept of having bio engineered beings.
I liked how everything was wrapped together in the final arc, but...
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I wish there was a more solid ending, I don't like how all the new Alien stories are now open to interpretation or whatever. ???
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
Regarding Elden: Spoiler
He is part organic and part machine. In other words, he has organic tissue over his mechanical parts. It isn't exactly like the synthetics because they had white blood with cables which seemed like tissue. What I think happened was that the black substance mutated the organic material to take over the rest of Elden's being causing his machine parts to malfunction. In the Prometheus book, he was bleeding blood.
Wait...so he's essentially Arnold in Terminator? I was expecting him to be a bit more organic than that. The organic portion of Arnold is purely cosmetic.
Omega wasnt bad, i found the end to be very lacking though... and quite pointless
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they didnt even make it to the ship, nothing about the deacon. and then made a big deal about getting the ship and going into the mountain only to have to go back out. It felt cheap.
The ALiens were weird and mutated and there was no explantion about that, i found it a bit silly and stupid the queen got too big fo the ship and essential crushed/fused with it
Quote from: happypred on Feb 12, 2015, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
Regarding Elden: Spoiler
He is part organic and part machine. In other words, he has organic tissue over his mechanical parts. It isn't exactly like the synthetics because they had white blood with cables which seemed like tissue. What I think happened was that the black substance mutated the organic material to take over the rest of Elden's being causing his machine parts to malfunction. In the Prometheus book, he was bleeding blood.
Wait...so he's essentially Arnold in Terminator? I was expecting him to be a bit more organic than that. The organic portion of Arnold is purely cosmetic.
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I mean real organic tissue. I am not referring to fake cosmetic tissue like the Terminators. In other words, Elden has real flesh and blood fused with the machinery.
But wouldn't that...
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Make Elden a cyborg? You know considering by definition a cyborg is a combination of organic and technological parts.
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 12, 2015, 04:02:31 AM
Quote from: happypred on Feb 12, 2015, 02:55:41 AM
Quote from: DarthJoker45 on Feb 11, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
Regarding Elden: Spoiler
He is part organic and part machine. In other words, he has organic tissue over his mechanical parts. It isn't exactly like the synthetics because they had white blood with cables which seemed like tissue. What I think happened was that the black substance mutated the organic material to take over the rest of Elden's being causing his machine parts to malfunction. In the Prometheus book, he was bleeding blood.
Wait...so he's essentially Arnold in Terminator? I was expecting him to be a bit more organic than that. The organic portion of Arnold is purely cosmetic.
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I mean real organic tissue. I am not referring to fake cosmetic tissue like the Terminators. In other words, Elden has real flesh and blood fused with the machinery.
Terminators have real living flesh...but it's purely for appearance
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 03:34:04 AM
Omega wasnt bad, i found the end to be very lacking though... and quite pointless
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they didnt even make it to the ship, nothing about the deacon. and then made a big deal about getting the ship and going into the mountain only to have to go back out. It felt cheap.
The ALiens were weird and mutated and there was no explantion about that, i found it a bit silly and stupid the queen got too big fo the ship and essential crushed/fused with it
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I also wondered about the Aliens, they were smaller and they were hurt by acid when Ahab threw it on. Your point about the ending is pretty much the same as my point; more or less it's like, "Elden's dead and we're still trapped on the planet, but despite the fact that we're back where we were at the beginning of the story, it really is a moral victory for us because 'We're still alive.'" I get that the story is meant to be more philosophical but I think Fire and Stone is more abstract than concrete compared to its predecessors (even TWW). :-\
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 12, 2015, 07:45:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 12, 2015, 03:34:04 AM
Omega wasnt bad, i found the end to be very lacking though... and quite pointless
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they didnt even make it to the ship, nothing about the deacon. and then made a big deal about getting the ship and going into the mountain only to have to go back out. It felt cheap.
The ALiens were weird and mutated and there was no explantion about that, i found it a bit silly and stupid the queen got too big fo the ship and essential crushed/fused with it
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I also wondered about the Aliens, they were smaller and they were hurt by acid when Ahab threw it on. Your point about the ending is pretty much the same as my point; more or less it's like, "Elden's dead and we're still trapped on the planet, but despite the fact that we're back where we were at the beginning of the story, it really is a moral victory for us because 'We're still alive.'" I get that the story is meant to be more philosophical but I think Fire and Stone is more abstract than concrete compared to its predecessors (even TWW). :-\
exactly, i felt like we didnt get any real answers from this at all. it didnt feel smooth story wise either
Goddamn it, I should know better than to open spoiler tags. My copy isn't in at my local yet.
Glad to hear the positive reactions. I'll do a complete review of the series when I get Omega.
Why I fell in love with Aliens vs. Predator back in the 90's:
1. The two species are incredibly lethal and utterly terrifying to encounter. Encountering either would be scary, pants-shittingly so
2. Witnessing the primal carnage of a violent encounter between these two species is supposed to be a tense, thrilling experience. The predator is more human-like but he's still a bloodthirsty, murdering son of a bitch obsessed with dominating the scariest monsters to be found in the galaxy (be they xenomorphs or other alien creatures).
I think tension is really important. Predators are highly dangerous to xenomorphs but they are also highly vulnerable to xenomorphs. I think one of the reasons the predators do so well in AvP Prey is that many of the battles take place in the open. The compound on Ryushi isn't nearly half as cramped and labyrinthine as the settlement on LV-426.
In a cover-rich/cramped environment, a xenomorph would be very deadly prey. In this environment, a predator would have to rely on his wits and experience. Only highly skilled predators would be able to track and outmaneuvre xenomorphs in an environment of this sort.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 12, 2015, 04:44:36 AM
But wouldn't that...
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Make Elden a cyborg? You know considering by definition a cyborg is a combination of organic and technological parts.
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Yep, that pretty much is the case from what I can tell. I think that the term construct is just another way of saying cyborg.
Quote from: happypred on Feb 12, 2015, 05:00:19 AM
Terminators have real living flesh...but it's purely for appearance
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What I am trying to say is that it is living organs inside of Elden. Meaning in other words, he is actually part living human and machine. It is not like the Terminators who just use the flesh for cosmetic purposes. To make this less confusing, Elden is in essence more in the line of the DC comics character Cyborg. Like that character, he is a living human being and a machine. I hope that clears up some confusion.
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Omega wasnt bad, i found the end to be very lacking though... and quite pointless
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they didnt even make it to the ship, nothing about the deacon. and then made a big deal about getting the ship and going into the mountain only to have to go back out. It felt cheap.
The ALiens were weird and mutated and there was no explantion about that, i found it a bit silly and stupid the queen got too big fo the ship and essential crushed/fused with it
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I also wondered about the Aliens, they were smaller and they were hurt by acid when Ahab threw it on. Your point about the ending is pretty much the same as my point; more or less it's like, "Elden's dead and we're still trapped on the planet, but despite the fact that we're back where we were at the beginning of the story, it really is a moral victory for us because 'We're still alive.'" I get that the story is meant to be more philosophical but I think Fire and Stone is more abstract than concrete compared to its predecessors (even TWW). :-\
exactly, i felt like we didnt get any real answers from this at all. it didnt feel smooth story wise either
I guess that makes it an
official Prometheus story then, huh? ;)
I think the Aliens...
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Were supposed to look like they came from the monkey things in Prometheus: Fire and Stone.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette3.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fquaraxsandbox%2Fimages%2F2%2F27%2FMonkey.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%2Fscale-to-width%2F210%3Fcb%3D20150212193715&hash=8de05dbae539f398c6efb5a787251a6cb7fc4838)
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They've even got the green "eyes".
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fquaraxsandbox%2Fimages%2Fb%2Fbc%2FMonkey_Xeno_2.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%2Fscale-to-width%2F303%3Fcb%3D20150212193753&hash=62bfdd2acce935458a6ef22e16ecd7de3c0128b7)
No idea why the acid effects them, though.
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Any noteworthy speed, strength, skill feats for Ahab?
Put in spoilers if needed!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 12:01:28 AM
Any noteworthy speed, strength, skill feats for Ahab?
Put in spoilers if needed!
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Not really. Besides the stuff in the preview, he kills some Aliens and the Queen pretty quickly, but doesn't do anything noteworthy after that.
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By the way, I wrote a plot summary for Xenopedia: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Prometheus:_Fire_and_Stone—Omega (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Prometheus:_Fire_and_Stone%E2%80%94Omega)
While you are at it.. Mind updating the Last Hunt section in Ahab's article?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 12:52:58 AM
While you are at it.. Mind updating the Last Hunt section in Ahab's article?
Sure.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 13, 2015, 12:01:28 AM
Any noteworthy speed, strength, skill feats for Ahab?
Put in spoilers if needed!
Read at your own risk :laugh:
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He takes on an Engineer and puts up a good fight but an Engineer outclasses a yautja in sheer physical capabilities, and Ahab is an experienced veteran but still loses, he has to resort to weaponry to get a stalemate and then aid from Galgo to finish it.
Ahab seems to regard Galgo as someone worthy and protects him, he also recognizes Elden as a brother due to his predator mark.
About the...
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...Predator mark, I'm glad there is still some homage to the AVP movies (or to the old comics at the very least). I remember the writer of the story said he didn't want to include AVP movie references because of their unpopularity, but it looks like he didn't let things such as fan upset interfere with telling the best story he could. :)
Sebela said that he didn't count the AvP movies as canon to his story... BUUUUUUUT.. Ariel Olivetti didn't get the memo and actually included the T style blooding mark on Elden. And Sebela didn't seem to go out of his way to correct Olivetti about that either.
Could just be a reference to the comics though, the marking thing started there, they are simply just using the style done by the AVP film. I can't remember what the original marks looked like now speaking of it. :laugh:
I will be posting a review of fire and stone soon, I got to reread them all, I have basically been speed reading them. I add some critique now though which is an artist error alert!
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facehuggers have 8 digits, four on each side and air sacs, in one of the issues of the Prometheus comic, it shows a facehugger attached to a crew member from the side, and it has five digits and no air sac... :P
They were a lightning bolt IIRC.
And I wouldn't read much into the markings personally. Nothing particularly concrete.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2015, 12:40:19 PM
They were a lightning bolt IIRC.
And I wouldn't read much into the markings personally. Nothing particularly concrete.
The proof that they are distancing themselves from AvP is right in my profile pic, which is taken from a WIP image that Olivetti posted back in October. Notice how the blooding mark is identical to the ones from the AvP movie? It was changed in the final release artwork, so they obviously caught it and deliberately made the change.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 13, 2015, 08:39:37 PM
The proof that they are distancing themselves from AvP is right in my profile pic, which is taken from a WIP image that Olivetti posted back in October. Notice how the blooding mark is identical to the ones from the AvP movie? It was changed in the final release artwork, so they obviously caught it and deliberately made the change.
Wait.. What?
Pictures now!
I was slightly wrong, looking back. The marking remains the same in the published versions, it changes in Omega, though. This is the image that Olivetti posted, back in September, actually, on Facebook. Below is a picture of Scar from AvP. The blooding marks are identical.
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Here's how the blooding mark looks in Omega. It's a bit hard to see, but the mark has been changed by the addition of another line above the T shape.
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That all being said, I don't think it means anything, one way or another, like Hicks said.
Back on topic, I enjoyed Omega quite a bit, and will have a full review probably tonight.
Artist inconsistency. I would agree with Hicks there as well.. Mmm.
The mark in the original AVP comic is of a lightning bolt, the mark in the AVP movie is also of a lightning bolt though a bit more stylized.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 12:13:00 AM
The mark in the original AVP comic is of a lightning bolt, the mark in the AVP movie is also of a lightning bolt though a bit more stylized.
What? No it isn't, it's a consisting of two curves. One horizontal, the other vertical. Where do you get that it's a lightning bolt but more stylized?
The AVP novelization refers to the mark as that of a lightning bolt in reference to the God that clan of Predators worshipped, one that was capable of using lightning as a weapon.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 01:21:51 AM
The AVP novelization refers to the mark as that of a lightning bolt in reference to the God that clan of Predators worshipped, one that was capable of using lightning as a weapon.
I wouldn't take the novelization as entirely canon even to the AvP movie, infact according to Xenopedia it's supposed to be a stylized marking of a Xenomorph. Then again, I wonder where they got that information from regarding source of course.
You're thinking Prey which has the lightning bolt which refers to a lightning god they worship.
The novelization is based on the original script for the movie that Paul WS Anderson himself wrote. I don't know how much you know about the movie but when it was first written, Anderson spoke to fans directly that there would be 5 Predators in his movie. However as the movie entered production, 2 of the Predator characters were dropped (probably due to financial reasons) but those missing characters are still present in the novelization as Anderson originally intended. Due to this, I often see the novelization as the Special Edition version of the story just like Aliens: Special Edition is James Cameron's preferred masterpiece version of his story.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 01:34:36 AM
The novelization is based on the original script for the movie that Paul WS Anderson himself wrote. I don't know how much you know about the movie but when it was first written, Anderson spoke to fans directly that there would be 5 Predators in his movie. However as the movie entered production, 2 of the Predator characters were dropped (probably due to financial reasons) but those missing characters are still present in the novelization as Anderson originally intended.
I was not aware of the fact that it was supposed to be a lightning bolt at first. I was aware of the fact that we were supposed to get five Predators instead of three. I am aware that the novelization is based off a draft script but the lightning mark tid-bit, I did not know. However.. I was under the impression that different clans had different blood markings.
I mean from what I remember, and I wish I had the original comic in my hands but.. that's in storage and in another state, that Top Knot's clan more or less had a different blood marking than Dachande's.. One horizontal curve and two indented burns underneath, where as Dachande's clan used the lightning bolt mark.
I think it's more likely that the writers got the marking idea from the movies rather than the comics; it wouldn't make sense to reference a story that old that many fans probably haven't even read it. If the idea did come from the original comics then AVP would be the only title in the entire series that references a comic-specific event.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 01:47:11 AM
I think it's more likely that the writers got the marking idea from the movies rather than the comics; it wouldn't make sense to reference a story that old that many fans probably haven't even read it. If the idea did come from the original comics then AVP would be the only title in the entire series that references a comic-specific event.
If we go by what Paul Tobin said, and I even asked him as LeonardoDaTurtle (brownie points if you can guess my second franchise I love) if they were ignoring any of the films. He did say that there was none of the films which they had ignored, though his viewpoint doesn't seem to be shared by Sebela.. Who more or less missed the point of what AvP was supposed to be.
It sounds like Sebela missed a LOT, I don't have a problem if the new comics don't reference Charles Bishop Weyland or ancient pyramids but to ignore an opportunity for good storytelling (in this case, the blooding of Elden and the following personal growth in that character which results) based exclusively on the whiny opinions of fans is ridiculous.
Fans hated Alien 3 and Predator 2 when they came out but does that mean writers should ignore things introduced in those movies like the Predator's disc or the Alien's DNA Reflex? Writers should never listen to fans cause when they do, the fans that hate still hate and the only thing the writers end up doing is alienating those who liked their previous works.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 01:34:36 AMThe novelization is based on the original script for the movie that Paul WS Anderson himself wrote.
Doesn't matter. Scripts change. The novelisation of
Predator is based on the script, but it's wildly different from the film. Most glaring, the Predator itself is a totally different creature in the novel.
Even the Alien in the
Alien novelization is different. It has eyes, as does the Facehugger. But no one would claim they have eyes in accepted canon.
When it comes to books of films, it's usually wise to take what the film shows you over what the novel says.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 14, 2015, 08:56:36 AM
When it comes to books of films, it's usually wise to take what the film shows you over what the novel says.
True for the most part.. like.. 90% of the time but sometimes the book provides some details which movies don't. In the case of AvP, according to Xenomrph, the Aliens were genetically modified for accelerated growth. At least.. according to him. For me, that's good enough in some aspects but I wouldn't take most novelizations over movies anyway. Some parts.. but not all.
I don't remember that being mentioned in the book... and I read it just a couple of weeks ago.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 02:28:00 AM
It sounds like Sebela missed a LOT, I don't have a problem if the new comics don't reference Charles Bishop Weyland or ancient pyramids but to ignore an opportunity for good storytelling (in this case, the blooding of Elden and the following personal growth in that character which results) based exclusively on the whiny opinions of fans is ridiculous.
Fans hated Alien 3 and Predator 2 when they came out but does that mean writers should ignore things introduced in those movies like the Predator's disc or the Alien's DNA Reflex? Writers should never listen to fans cause when they do, the fans that hate still hate and the only thing the writers end up doing is alienating those who liked their previous works.
Speak for yourself, not all fans hated Alien 3 and Predator 2 and those that
do probably still take it as canon because it doesn't butcher previous lore like AVP films did. I don't think its bad to ignore the AVP films either, especially the second one because whether we like it or not its a stain on the franchise, the marking and respect thing started with the comics, not the film so I am fine with them ignoring the avp film as well. There were lot of good ideas in some of the old books but the execution is not always good.
I don't think its fair to call the fans whiny, sure some are but a lot of people; fans and casual views alike have the right to say their displeasure of the movies, also Alien 3 was very harsh to fans of Aliens, as it took everything from the second that was loved and destroyed it right in the intro, so of course people are going to be vocal about that, though its been years now, I think people should calm down a bit there but then new fans = new complaints :laugh:
I am not sure the writers did ignore those things, some of the Xenomorphs in Fire and Stone look like they came from some local wildlife and looked different hence they still take traits, and the Predator does use weapons from Predator 2, I remember the spear gun being used anyway and dics as well a maybe? I need to re-read them, I have only speed-read them so far. :P
As for personal growth, one of the writers mentioned its become a clich'e where a character is always expected to undergo a change in development or learn a life lesson, I agree with her. Ripley in the first Alien film never changed, had they all stuck by the rules like she did, no one bar Kane would have been killed though it was Ash that defied her due his orders but the others could of respected quarantine.
Ok, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh but I highly doubt the writers based the blooding from the comic books; as I said earlier, it wouldn't make sense to reference a story so old that I bet less than 50% of the people on this forum have even read it. The only reason the writers would add an element like that in would be because they felt fans would be familiar with the concept enough to not be thrown by it, the AVP movies are what familiarized the general audience with the concept of blooding, not the comics. Plus, none of the other titles in F&S reference comic specific events in their respective franchises so why would this one?
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2015, 05:00:55 PM
Ok, sorry if I sounded a bit harsh but I highly doubt the writers based the blooding from the comic books; as I said earlier, it wouldn't make sense to reference a story so old that I bet less than 50% of the people on this forum have even read it. The only reason the writers would add an element like that in would be because they felt fans would be familiar with the concept enough to not be thrown by it, the AVP movies are what familiarized the general audience with the concept of blooding, not the comics. Plus, none of the other titles in F&S reference comic specific events in their respective franchises so why would this one?
I hear its because Fox is trying ignore the old comics, not sure if its true or not.
Basically fire and stone is now the new collective universe,
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 14, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
I hear its because Fox is trying ignore the old comics, not sure if its true or not.
Basically fire and stone is now the new collective universe,
According to Dark Horse president Mike Richardson, they did say they were starting over. In fact, if you look in the Question and Answers Forums of Xenopedia, and look for Reboot Timeline, I had posted direct links and quotes from Richardson. They essentially New 52'ed everything, or more aptly.. did what Disney did with the Star Wars EU. Seriously Crue.. Look at that topic there.
Can you put the link up for those who aren't too familiar with xenopedia?
Sure but keep in mind, this is a thread which has not really been answered in... several months.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:27937 (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:27937)
Thanks for the link, I wouldn't look at these comics as a complete reboot since there seem to be a LOT of varying opinions here and none seem to want to give a concrete answer on the issue, but it does seem that the AVP movies did play some small part in shaping F&S contrary to popular opinion.
For me they seemed to be a total reboot though some elements of the old have been carried over. But this seems to be a fresh and new take on the series. I think you and I can agree on that much but for me... the old stuff is where it's at. I liked it more when the universe was this big, dark, cynical and violent void which was as apathetic and uncaring as the denizens which lived in it.
As to whether or not the AvP movies played some part.. That depends on who you listen to. In the case of Paul Tobin and Scott Allie, they seem to indicate that none of the movies were ignored-- the AvP's included but Sebela seems to think otherwise and even stated so at a Comic-con panel. So it depends on whose word you take over the other.
But in my opinion... and taking some word from the higher up's, namely Richard and Allie's.. they New 52'ed it. Of course you are free to disagree with me. We agree on other things of course. :laugh:
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 14, 2015, 08:44:10 PM
For me they seemed to be a total reboot though some elements of the old have been carried over. But this seems to be a fresh and new take on the series. I think you and I can agree on that much but for me... the old stuff is where it's at. I liked it more when the universe was this big, dark, cynical and violent void which was as apathetic and uncaring as the denizens which lived in it.
As to whether or not the AvP movies played some part.. That depends on who you listen to. In the case of Paul Tobin and Scott Allie, they seem to indicate that none of the movies were ignored-- the AvP's included but Sebela seems to think otherwise and even stated so at a Comic-con panel. So it depends on whose word you take over the other.
But in my opinion... and taking some word from the higher up's, namely Richard and Allie's.. they New 52'ed it. Of course you are free to disagree with me. We agree on other things of course. :laugh:
Your thread has finally been answered :laugh:
I enjoyed the comics but canonwise they were ambiguous to me, I never thought of them one way or the other unless explicitly stated so or contradicted by a movie, so it might be good to have a reboot since they can try and keep continuity this time around without things going left, right and up and down all the time, I like the stories to be gritty and as realistcally as possible for science fiction, and not overly fantastical and borderline supernatural like its dipped its feet in before.
I have now read the entire series. Still not sure how I feel about it. On principle, I feel that mixing predators and engineers seems a little lame. It somehow demeans the Engineers as our theatrical creators. However, if one were to write a story about predators and aliens and engineers, I guess it should be pretty much as dark horse did. It was a fun read with ample twists and surprises. Galago is irredeemable and yet you he's so compelling. Eldon was really a weird and risky creation, but I think the writers and artists did a pretty reasonable job with him. I will really enjoy retreading this series when the TPBs come out. I hope that there will be a big omnibus as well as otherwise Omega would be left out of the TPBs.
I just hope we also get a set of comics which separates the Aliens world from the Predator world. Sorry, but the AVP films ruined the AVP idea for me.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 14, 2015, 08:44:10 PM
For me they seemed to be a total reboot though some elements of the old have been carried over. But this seems to be a fresh and new take on the series. I think you and I can agree on that much but for me... the old stuff is where it's at. I liked it more when the universe was this big, dark, cynical and violent void which was as apathetic and uncaring as the denizens which lived in it.
I'd be reluctant to take anyone's word on "canon" or "reboot", the DH Press novels were also an attempt to
reboot the series but every fan of the franchise on this forum (and every where else) don't see those stories as any different from the regular EU that's already out there.
They were no such thing. They just didn't really acknowledge the old EU aside from Perry's book.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 14, 2015, 09:23:57 AM
True for the most part.. like.. 90% of the time but sometimes the book provides some details which movies don't. In the case of AvP, according to Xenomrph, the Aliens were genetically modified for accelerated growth. At least.. according to him. For me, that's good enough in some aspects but I wouldn't take most novelizations over movies anyway. Some parts.. but not all.
Could someone point to me that bit in the book that mentions this? Because as far as I can remember that excuse was some made-up bullshit by a user on IMDB. I cannot remember that being mentioned in the novelization.
The only thing I recall talking about sped-up Xeno breeding is the Resurrection novelisation. But the line didn't make the cut in the film.
I think the book mentions that the machines were altering the Queen's body preparing it for egg laying, but there is no specific mention that they sped up the Alien life cycle, the AVPR commentary mentions it, however. :-\
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 16, 2015, 12:48:58 PM
Could someone point to me that bit in the book that mentions this? Because as far as I can remember that excuse was some made-up bullshit by a user on IMDB. I cannot remember that being mentioned in the novelization.
I recall Xenomrph saying that in the AvP Movie novelization thread and I also remember you asking him what paragraph and page it was on, and he said he would provide it. So far, he's yet to do that.
I read the novelization too and there's no mention of it in there, that's probably why Xenomrph has yet to add the page numbers; the machines causing the sped up lifecycle was added only after fans complained about it in theaters which was long after the novelization was released.
I just read the novel a few weeks ago, and there was nothing about it that I recall.
As I said, the only book I can remember talking about sped-up Xeno reproduction was the Resurrection novelization.
It's from one of the commentaries, IIRC.
Alright, so Old EU and Xenomorph speed growth aside... Let's talk about this series once more.
I read that the Xenomorphs, or at least some variant were not immune to their species own blood. If there was one thing which the AvP movies did right, it was making the Xenomorphs acid resistant to their own corrosive body fluids. But this isn't the first time we see a Xenomorph melting due to being exposed to another Xenomorphs blood.
I recall in Superman vs Aliens II, when Big Barda and her crew were fighting in the caverns against the Xenomorph hoarde, one Xenomorph burst in-front of another and it was melting from being exposed to another's blood. Kind of interesting how that sort of makes a return some eleven years later, no?
And that was a side effect of the cloning right?
Hey folks, looks like there will be a Fire and Tone Omnibus collecting everything. Kind of cool. Not a bad price. Will be out in early November...
http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Omnibus-Various/dp/1616557729/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-3785472-2053854 (http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Omnibus-Various/dp/1616557729/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-3785472-2053854)
Not sure if somebody posted about this yet...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 24, 2015, 01:11:57 AM
Hey folks, looks like there will be a Fire and Tone Omnibus collecting everything. Kind of cool. Not a bad price. Will be out in early November...
http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Omnibus-Various/dp/1616557729/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-3785472-2053854 (http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Omnibus-Various/dp/1616557729/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-3785472-2053854)
Not sure if somebody posted about this yet...
Nice! I re-read the whole run a few weeks back just before Omega came out, and it definitely works as one continuous whole. If this is the quality we can expect from Dark Horse's A/v/P/Prometheus comics from here on out, I seriously hope they release more.
I still need to write my review of Omega.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 24, 2015, 01:11:57 AM
Hey folks, looks like there will be a Fire and Tone Omnibus collecting everything. Kind of cool. Not a bad price. Will be out in early November...
http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Omnibus-Various/dp/1616557729/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-3785472-2053854 (http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Fire-Stone-Omnibus-Various/dp/1616557729/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/188-3785472-2053854)
Not sure if somebody posted about this yet...
That's not a bad price, actually. I never really gave a shit about what went on in the comics, but I'm curious enough that I might wind up giving this a shot.
That's a hardcover as well. Very nice.
Should be getting my copy of Omega on Friday. I plan on re-reading everything then reading Omega. Plan on doing individual series reviews after.
So where does this fall into canon now? Haha.
Don't be like that, brah. We don't need more canon arguments.
I suppose, the majority of EU might be better placed in the new timeline where Alien Resurrection doesn't destroy it all. That depends on what Alien 3-2 does though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:10:42 PM
Don't be like that, brah. We don't need more canon arguments.
I suppose, the majority of EU might be better placed in the new timeline where Alien Resurrection doesn't destroy it all. That depends on what Alien 3-2 does though.
LOL
It's true, Alien Resurrection really is the destroyer of worlds.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 08:18:08 AM
Should be getting my copy of Omega on Friday. I plan on re-reading everything then reading Omega. Plan on doing individual series reviews after.
That's what I did. The night before Omega came out I watched Prometheus and powered back through the first 16 FaS issues. It took around 5 hours, but it was well worth it. The Prometheus series especially benefitted from being read in one go. It actually made me like Angela, which was cemented further by how well her character was handled by DeConnick in Omega.
Okay, I just finished Omega having re-read the entire Fire and Stone series. Immediate thoughts below:
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My immediate thought at the end of the issue was disappointment at the severe lack of a proper conclusion. No answer about Russell. No real answer about the Accelerant. No real answer about the mountain and it being alive. To be perfectly honest I feel that from a story point of view Omega failed.
However, from a character point of view Omega rocked hard. I loved the ensemble and how they interacted together. I liked Elden in AvP but he is much better written in Omega and much less of a soliloquy toting walking construct. Ahab, despite absolutely no dialog has proved to be my favourite Predator from the comics.
And the artwork is simply gorgeous.
But I have questions I need answers to. And I want to see the characters again.
I agree, Hicks. I really hope we get more stories with those characters.
I have a pretty strong feeling that whether or not we get a sequel will ultimately depend on how well the hardcover collection sells, too bad I'm not getting it cause I already bought the entire series on digital format. :(
As far as Omega goes, I'm intersted to hear your thoughts on...
Spoiler
Elden going full Big Head Room mural at the end. It really makes me wonder just what exactly he was evolving into.
Just finished the whole event. I thought it was great My question is was the mountain the deacon?
Quote from: Morgoth on Mar 03, 2015, 04:34:57 AM
Just finished the whole event. I thought it was great My question is was the mountain thedeacon?
Spoiler
Yes, I believe it was.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 02, 2015, 10:10:12 PM
I have a pretty strong feeling that whether or not we get a sequel will ultimately depend on how well the hardcover collection sells, too bad I'm not getting it cause I already bought the entire series on digital format. :(
I'm tempted to pick it up. I'm too impatient not to buy the singles but I hate having singles for storage purposes.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 03, 2015, 04:39:25 AM
Quote from: Morgoth on Mar 03, 2015, 04:34:57 AM
Just finished the whole event. I thought it was great My question is was the mountain thedeacon?
Spoiler
Yes, I believe it was.
I really didn't get that. At all.
It's definitely left open to debate and interpretation. My thoughts...
Spoiler
I think it's the Deacon for a couple reasons. The first is that the design of the mountain (with the rocky protrusions) was based on concept art of the Deacon.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-HAxYFr8-Jd8%2FT9Ep606OQmI%2FAAAAAAAAI4Y%2FTe40aD8jA-s%2Fs1600%2Fprometheus_concept%2Bart11.jpg&hash=a5e70c3a09bc43da72fe24bff88ba10b0b3efdf5)
The second reason is what Elden says in Omega, along the lines of "It must have been on Weyland's ship, but the accelerant caused it to evolve too quickly." I take that mean that the source of the human signal is Vickers' lifeboat, where the Deacon was born. It grew to monstrous proportions and consumed the lifeboat, hence the signal.
That being said, it's definely open to interpretation.
Omega left me still wanting answers about...
Spoiler
what the Engineer was doing between the Aliens and Prometheus series, and who/what locked the xenomorphs back on the Onager, unless it was the Engineer. I'm also curious about why the Engineer never seemed to make any effort to wake up any of his comrades, or why it didn't just leave LV-223 altogether.
Also, what was point of that two-page scene in Prometheus #1 showing the probe on LV-223 in 2090? I feel like that may have been a leftover from the original version of the comic.
I thought Omega & Fire and Stone were the same thing, can I get a link to buy both?
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 03, 2015, 07:35:03 PM
I thought Omega & Fire and Stone were the same thing, can I get a link to buy both?
http://www.tfaw.com/aliens-fire-and-stone/ (http://www.tfaw.com/aliens-fire-and-stone/)
Here is a link to buy every issue. Omega is a one shot that concludes the story and is a bit longer then a normal comic.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 03, 2015, 05:40:16 PM
Spoiler
I think it's the Deacon for a couple reasons. The first is that the design of the mountain (with the rocky protrusions) was based on concept art of the Deacon.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-HAxYFr8-Jd8%2FT9Ep606OQmI%2FAAAAAAAAI4Y%2FTe40aD8jA-s%2Fs1600%2Fprometheus_concept%2Bart11.jpg&hash=a5e70c3a09bc43da72fe24bff88ba10b0b3efdf5)
The second reason is what Elden says in Omega, along the lines of "It must have been on Weyland's ship, but the accelerant caused it to evolve too quickly." I take that mean that the source of the human signal is Vickers' lifeboat, where the Deacon was born. It grew to monstrous proportions and consumed the lifeboat, hence the signal.
That being said, it's definely open to interpretation.
Yeah - I get that and I can quite easily see the resemblance with it. Just seems like a really odd way to take it is all.
QuoteAlso, what was point of that two-page scene in Prometheus #1 showing the probe on LV-223 in 2090? I feel like that may have been a leftover from the original version of the comic.
I had thought briefly that the probe would be what was giving off the signal but no. I feel like it was simply to forshadow the appearance of the Engineer.
Just read all of these for the first time back to back. Oof. Let me start by saying I grew up reading the Dark Horse comics. My love for them is second to none and while they're plenty of duds in the older series, this new story had a tons of problems.
Elden: So, unless I was half asleep reading the first few issues, they did a terrible job of explaning he wasn't your typical Synthetic. It wasn't until the end when someone refer to him as a "meat puppet" that I drew the conclusion he was something different. I understand he went from being quite basic (intellectually) to quite philosophical thanks to the Accelerant, but did anyone else seem to think he was a little too over the top and Shakespearean mid-way through? He was so cliche in the middle of the story it made me want to stop reading. I appreciate his final moments though however they're overshadowed by how cheesy he was whilst battling the Predators and looking for Francis.
The Aliens: They were relegated to a supporting role. Anything that got Goo'd come dispatch them with relative ease. I wish they would've made them much more of a threat. If anything, they seemed like cannon fodder after the first 3 issues of Aliens: F&S. I mean, the Engineer literally had piles of them dead like it was the just another day at the office. Very, very sad to seem something that was once so ominous just become speed bumps in this story.
The Engineer. No questions answered here. He was killing everything on LV-223. Just because...he could. *eye roll* Why was he doing so? I really expected him to disable the Predator's bomb and surprise them once more; a missed opportunity to showcase how intelligent and all knowing the Engineers could be You could've replaced that character with any other made up creature and it wouldn't have impacted the story at all. We learned absolutely nothing new about the Engineer race at all, IMO. What a waste. The Prometheus series really should've been called Prometheus: Goo
The Predators: Totally shoe horned in. Why are they after the Engineer? Why board the ship if the Engineer wasn't there in the first place? Were they after the Engineer Rifle? How did they know it was with Galgo? My biggest complaint with them is the OUT OF NOWHERE marking on Elden. Absolutely ludicrous. Right after that, how the hell did the Predator become infected with the Acclerant?! How? Also, pure fan service wanking to show the Predator get infected with Accelerant.
Galgo: Ok. I know he's a scumbag. You're telling me the extent of his character arc is putting himself in harm's way to pull up Ahab before the mountain swallowed him? That's it? Weak. I guess he did turn back to save Ahab with the Engineer. Nevermind this then. ;)
The Mountain: What? For a second I thought it was a possibility we were going to see the Deacon. Wrong. Was the signal coming from Weyland's daughter's escape pod/life raft thing?! Was the Deacon still in there?! Are they implying the Accelerant would turn an entire planet into a single living organism?
So much more, need to get back to work...
Quote from: Proj2501 on Mar 06, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Just read all of these for the first time back to back. Oof. Let me start by saying I grew up reading the Dark Horse comics. My love for them is second to none
Yes...same here. I can't say that Fire & Stone is superior to the better old comics. F&S is "serviceable"..."not bad".
QuoteElden: So, unless I was half asleep reading the first few issues, they did a terrible job of explaning he wasn't your typical Synthetic.
Yes
Quotefrom being quite basic (intellectually) to quite philosophical thanks to the Accelerant
Good observation but as pointed out, his dialogue was absolutely ridiculous in AvP
His character went from childlike idiot to bombastic windbag who wouldn't shut up
QuoteThe Aliens: They were relegated to a supporting role.
I would say the AvP action was almost a distraction...an afterthought
QuoteOUT OF NOWHERE marking on Elden. Absolutely ludicrous
Yeah...it seemed a bit forced
QuoteThe Mountain: What? For a second I thought it was a possibility we were going to see the Deacon. Wrong. Was the signal coming from Weyland's daughter's escape pod/life raft thing?! Was the Deacon still in there?! Are they implying the Accelerant would turn an entire planet into a single living organism?
Well, at least we may hope for a sequel series!
So...
Sounds like garbage then... Yeah... I'mma just wait for Paradise.
Opinions differ but it seems to lean that way, I personally do not know what to make of it so far, I have read them all but...its like a bit of good and bad mixed together and I can decide which it has more of yet :laugh: it is a bit ridiculous at times though.
There is even an artist error in Prometheus issue, one woman gets facehugged and the creature has five digits on one side with no air sac. I guess Parker pop up and ask how is she breathing. :laugh:
Looks like there will be another variant cover for Prometheus: Omega at ECCC. I think it's pretty cool. I may have to pick it up.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frobot6.comicbookresources.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2Feccc-prometheus.jpg&hash=494ae886644a8a9b260fa7334530e5d321829315)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 09, 2015, 08:35:35 PM
Looks like there will be another variant cover for Prometheus: Omega at ECCC. I think it's pretty cool. I may have to pick it up.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frobot6.comicbookresources.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2Feccc-prometheus.jpg&hash=494ae886644a8a9b260fa7334530e5d321829315)
That is a nice cover. There's also an Archie vs. Predator ashcan for emerald city comicon. Mentioned by one of the editor's here:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/07/that-was-the-in-store-comic-convention-kick-off-that-was/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/03/07/that-was-the-in-store-comic-convention-kick-off-that-was/)
And some confirmation news of a Fire & Stone sequel.
Wow! Nice find, vikingspawn!
The relevant quote:
QuoteWe are to expect another Alien/Prometheus/Predator based Fire And Stone style sequel with a lot of new characters with a different presentation method...
From Randy Stradley's Twitter:
Quote@Randy_Stradley: @MertaNick @DarkHorseComics We're working on the next wave. The newly announced Neil Nlonkamp film caused a restart.
https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976 (https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976)
Let the speculation commence!
A sequel run? Mmm..
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 09, 2015, 08:35:35 PM
Looks like there will be another variant cover for Prometheus: Omega at ECCC. I think it's pretty cool. I may have to pick it up.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frobot6.comicbookresources.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2Feccc-prometheus.jpg&hash=494ae886644a8a9b260fa7334530e5d321829315)
That looks really nice. Feels very appropriate. I love the way Elden actually looks like the mountain.
And great news about another run. Glad to hear this one did well enough - still not sure what I think over all of this one though.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 10, 2015, 03:38:59 AMFrom Randy Stradley's Twitter:
Quote@Randy_Stradley: @MertaNick @DarkHorseComics We're working on the next wave. The newly announced Neil Nlonkamp film caused a restart.
https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976 (https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976)
This better not mean that Fire & Stone itself shall be retconned soon...
Still debating whether or not I want to read Fire and Stone when the collected version comes out... I never really cared enough to check out the comics before, and I prefer my Alien material without Predators, but I'm kind of intrigued by the premise and some of the spoilers I read even though it's safe to assume that the future films will just overwrite the material anyways.
Cool to hear that a followup is happening, though.
Quote from: happypred on Mar 10, 2015, 12:28:47 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 10, 2015, 03:38:59 AMFrom Randy Stradley's Twitter:
Quote@Randy_Stradley: @MertaNick @DarkHorseComics We're working on the next wave. The newly announced Neil Nlonkamp film caused a restart.
https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976 (https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976)
This better not mean that Fire & Stone itself shall be retconned soon...
I would hate if F&S got retconned so quickly. I doubt that will be the case, though. I wonder of the restart on the F&S sequel has anything to do with the Engineers possibly being in Alien 5.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 10, 2015, 06:06:13 PM
Still debating whether or not I want to read Fire and Stone when the collected version comes out... I never really cared enough to check out the comics before, and I prefer my Alien material without Predators, but I'm kind of intrigued by the premise and some of the spoilers I read even though it's safe to assume that the future films will just overwrite the material anyways.
Cool to hear that a followup is happening, though.
It's really good, NA - but I'm kind of with you on the Predator - they didn't offer anything new (I've not read the last issue to be fair) but that said, they are making a new jump start so I guess more Pred stuff would be revealed in the final issue and the follow ups.
I thought the nailed the atmosphere, though. It's funny, I didn't really like the idea and arc of the story with the Artificial Human (that's not a spoiler, don't worry) but the way the whole thing was executed and the general "feel" of the piece was so damn good.
It's worth a squizz.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 10, 2015, 06:06:13 PM
Still debating whether or not I want to read Fire and Stone when the collected version comes out... I never really cared enough to check out the comics before, and I prefer my Alien material without Predators, but I'm kind of intrigued by the premise and some of the spoilers I read even though it's safe to assume that the future films will just overwrite the material anyways.
Cool to hear that a followup is happening, though.
It won't, apparently the writers went straight to Ridley Scott and discussed Prometheus 2 to ensure there would be no contradictions between their stories. The stories are fine enough but expect to see more philosophy than action and expect to see ties to Prometheus pop up
everywhere.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 10, 2015, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: happypred on Mar 10, 2015, 12:28:47 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 10, 2015, 03:38:59 AMFrom Randy Stradley's Twitter:
Quote@Randy_Stradley: @MertaNick @DarkHorseComics We're working on the next wave. The newly announced Neil Nlonkamp film caused a restart.
https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976 (https://twitter.com/randy_stradley/status/575016581106814976)
This better not mean that Fire & Stone itself shall be retconned soon...
I would hate if F&S got retconned so quickly. I doubt that will be the case, though. I wonder of the restart on the F&S sequel has anything to do with the Engineers possibly being in Alien 5.
If we are going back to the original planet from Alien and Aliens and there is a large corporate presence, wouldn't they have to retcon it since the planet is nearby and they would have likely checked it out at some point.
Not necessarily. The Company already failed to notice what was going on on LV-223 when they were colonizing LV-426. It actually makes a degree of sense given the "economy of space" idea. The initial scans of 223 showed it to be lifeless, so there's no reason why they would spend the time or money scanning it again. The black goo jungle wouldn't be visible from space, since it was confined to a small portion of the planet.
"Prometheus: Omega" variant cover inks :
https://twitter.com/patric_reynolds/status/575701846049693696/photo/1
Regarding the Predator 'lightning god' suff, I do believe Anderson at least planned to shoot that. Whether or not it was actually filmed, is anyone's guess. There are photographs of the Predator suits having been sculpted as nude, with genitals kind of in a reptilian-like sheath (making it nicely ambiguous as to which genders they could have been).
The scene was going to depict them waking up from cryostasis-like sleep, moving into some kind of temple/worship chamber and kneeling down before a giant statue of their god. I always thought that would have been nice, because it was meant to infer the lightning stuff directly inspired their use of the shoulder cannon - and why the energy weaons, themselves, were important, symbolically, to leave behind for initiating the next hunt.
I fnd it strange to imagine it wasn't budgeted for, because they had clearly made the suits up in preparation for doing that.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2015, 02:10:50 AMI fnd it strange to imagine it wasn't budgeted for, because they had clearly made the suits up in preparation for doing that.
Links to any photos?
Quote from: happypred on Mar 24, 2015, 05:12:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2015, 02:10:50 AMI fnd it strange to imagine it wasn't budgeted for, because they had clearly made the suits up in preparation for doing that.
Links to any photos?
(https://monsterlegacy.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/avppredatornaked.png?w=370&h=&crop=1)
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 10, 2015, 11:38:36 PM
Not necessarily. The Company already failed to notice what was going on on LV-223 when they were colonizing LV-426. It actually makes a degree of sense given the "economy of space" idea. The initial scans of 223 showed it to be lifeless, so there's no reason why they would spend the time or money scanning it again. The black goo jungle wouldn't be visible from space, since it was confined to a small portion of the planet.
I just re-read Aliens - Fire and Stone and Russell theorizes that the terraforming engines he found actually introduced genetic material into the planet. So the accerlerant would be reacting with that to create the ecosystem, I reckon.
That still doesn't account for where all the water suddenly came from. There are literally vast lakes which hold giant fish in them. We saw it was nothing but a dry rock in the film.
I did type out a reply about only seeing a portion of the moon and there could have been water elsewhere but then I remembered it takes place near the Prometheus crash-site.
So yeah, I got nothing there.
Heh! :laugh:
It's got Predators in it? Yikes, who let that happen?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2015, 02:10:50 AM
The scene was going to depict them waking up from cryostasis-like sleep, moving into some kind of temple/worship chamber and kneeling down before a giant statue of their god. I always thought that would have been nice, because it was meant to infer the lightning stuff directly inspired their use of the shoulder cannon - and why the energy weaons, themselves, were important, symbolically, to leave behind for initiating the next hunt.
That would've been something cool to see in the AvP movie. A shame a lot of stuff had to be left on the cutting room floor or simply dropped entirely. Really, that would've been cool to see there.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 26, 2015, 04:28:45 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Mar 22, 2015, 02:10:50 AM
The scene was going to depict them waking up from cryostasis-like sleep, moving into some kind of temple/worship chamber and kneeling down before a giant statue of their god. I always thought that would have been nice, because it was meant to infer the lightning stuff directly inspired their use of the shoulder cannon - and why the energy weaons, themselves, were important, symbolically, to leave behind for initiating the next hunt.
That would've been something cool to see in the AvP movie. A shame a lot of stuff had to be left on the cutting room floor or simply dropped entirely. Really, that would've been cool to see there.
^That's also why their scar "marking" is supposed to resemble a lightning bolt.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 26, 2015, 04:33:24 AM
^That's also why their scar "marking" is supposed to resemble a lightning bolt.
But the scar is NOT a lightning bolt as far as the movie is concerned. And if we look at the old EU, different clans had different clan markings. Top Knot's clan had a marking which was a horizontal curve with two indentations underneath the curvature. Broken Tusk's clan was of course the one which utilized the lightning bolt mark.
I think the two follow the same God but believe in different practices, kinda like the differences between Christianity and Catholicism.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 26, 2015, 05:16:13 AM
I think the two follow the same God but believe in different practices, kinda like the differences between Christianity and Catholicism.
I think u mean the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism
Probably, I never cared for religious studies. :P
I'm trying to write my reviews and I'm really struggling to make my mind up about this. :-\ It's got a massive Prometheus-like effect for me.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
I'm trying to write my reviews and I'm really struggling to make my mind up about this. :-\ It's got a massive Prometheus-like effect for me.
That about sums it up for me. It's well executed and on a completely unexpected and interesting tangent but is it everything I hoped for? I don't know...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
I'm trying to write my reviews and I'm really struggling to make my mind up about this. :-\ It's got a massive Prometheus-like effect for me.
That about sums it up for me. It's well executed and on a completely unexpected and interesting tangent but is it everything I hoped for? I don't know...
Agreed, I'd give it a 7.5 overall, but it was so very different from what I had been expecting that I have mixed feelings nonetheless. I think it was really hurt by the long hype cycle. The Fox-mandated restart meant that it was almost a full year from the time it was first announced to when the first issue actually hit stands. Like the Prometheus movie, it had impossible expectations to live up to.
Hopefully they execute a good follow-up.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 30, 2015, 03:07:41 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:00:54 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 02:12:42 PM
I'm trying to write my reviews and I'm really struggling to make my mind up about this. :-\ It's got a massive Prometheus-like effect for me.
That about sums it up for me. It's well executed and on a completely unexpected and interesting tangent but is it everything I hoped for? I don't know...
Agreed, I'd give it a 7.5 overall, but it was so very different from what I had been expecting that I have mixed feelings nonetheless. I think it was really hurt by the long hype cycle. The Fox-mandated restart meant that it was almost a full year from the time it was first announced to when the first issue actually hit stands. Like the Prometheus movie, it had impossible expectations to live up to.
Hopefully they execute a good follow-up.
I would question if there will really be a follow-up considering the new direction with Blomkamp's film. The entire situation with this franchise is so fluid now. I would be ok to just leave Fire and Stone as a stand alone story in the AVP galaxy. I think it will be really cool to see this compiled into one volume later in the year...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:20:48 PMI would question if there will really be a follow-up considering the new direction with Blomkamp's film.
Considering they're still pressing ahead with the new post-
Resurrection novels, I don't see why they'd suddenly scrap the follow-up to this.
I'm definitely looking forward to the collected edition of Fire and Stone. It will be interesting to see what order they put the Aliens and Prometheus series in.
I wouldn't mind a loose follow-up that explores what's going on on LV-223 a century or so after FaS.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:20:48 PMI would question if there will really be a follow-up considering the new direction with Blomkamp's film.
Considering they're still pressing ahead with the new post-Resurrection novels, I don't see why they'd suddenly scrap the follow-up to this.
In truth, this opens up a whole can of worms that nobody outside of Fox and its affiliates has any clue about. It could mean that the books are now written in such a way that neither confirms nor denies Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, or perhaps Alien 5 will really find a way to accommodate Alien 3 and AR. Who knows? I hope for the best, but kind of expect the worst.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:20:48 PMI would question if there will really be a follow-up considering the new direction with Blomkamp's film.
Considering they're still pressing ahead with the new post-Resurrection novels, I don't see why they'd suddenly scrap the follow-up to this.
Yeah - they've only said they need to rethink some stuff. We know Tim had to change somethings in Rage War so I can't see it being a big deal.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
In truth, this opens up a whole can of worms that nobody outside of Fox and its affiliates has any clue about. It could mean that the books are now written in such a way that neither confirms nor denies Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, or perhaps Alien 5 will really find a way to accommodate Alien 3 and AR. Who knows? I hope for the best, but kind of expect the worst.
I don't think it's that complicated. Alienkamp is an alternate Alien 3. All the other stuff still exists in that other continuity.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 03:51:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 30, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:20:48 PMI would question if there will really be a follow-up considering the new direction with Blomkamp's film.
Considering they're still pressing ahead with the new post-Resurrection novels, I don't see why they'd suddenly scrap the follow-up to this.
Yeah - they've only said they need to rethink some stuff. We know Tim had to change somethings in Rage War so I can't see it being a big deal.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 03:50:00 PM
In truth, this opens up a whole can of worms that nobody outside of Fox and its affiliates has any clue about. It could mean that the books are now written in such a way that neither confirms nor denies Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection, or perhaps Alien 5 will really find a way to accommodate Alien 3 and AR. Who knows? I hope for the best, but kind of expect the worst.
I don't think it's that complicated. Alienkamp is an alternate Alien 3. All the other stuff still exists in that other continuity.
Ok, but if that's the case, why bother modifying Rage War at all? If the two are unrelated, what's the point? I have a bad feeling there is some sort of spin afoot here a la Dark Horse's WilksandBilliegate...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 03:51:15 PM
I don't think it's that complicated. Alienkamp is an alternate Alien 3. All the other stuff still exists in that other continuity.
Are you confirming that there are now multiple continuities/universes? ;D
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 30, 2015, 04:03:46 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 03:51:15 PM
I don't think it's that complicated. Alienkamp is an alternate Alien 3. All the other stuff still exists in that other continuity.
Are you confirming that there are now multiple continuities/universes? ;D
Yeah Hicks, do you know something we don't know? Please share...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 30, 2015, 04:04:53 PM
Yeah Hicks, do you know something we don't know? Please share...
If he is confirming that there is an AVP Multiverse.. I will be very happy. Because everything will have a place. Shit, we may have three or four continuities instead of two! A multiverse/alternate timelines do allow that!
Just me stating assumptions as facts. We still don't know 100% but considering what we do know, I can't see it going any other way that being an alternate sequel.
Plenty of reasons it could have been modified - most likely is so that it isn't doing something similar to the films. They don't want a repeat. Happens often in licensed products.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2015, 04:16:53 PM
Just me stating assumptions as facts. We still don't know 100% but considering what we do know, I can't see it going any other way that being an alternate sequel.
Hmmmm... I'll hold you to that! Long ago I did start a multiverse thread. I hope we are getting one. If we do, then everything can co-exist as their own separate universe. Even the AvP movies and old EU.
Forgive me for replying to a post that is more than 120 days old (If a new topic is needed, mods please do so), but I thought it was worth mentioning that the Omnibus collection of Fire and Stone is out next week.
I've listened to the AvP podcast review recently (great podcast and discussion BTW) and loved it. I've read the issues via the Dark Horse iOs app, but as a collector I like owning books as well so I'm looking forward to this collection, consuming it in one continous hit as well as reading the bonus material.
I also have to say that the Omnibus isn't published in chronological order with the Prometheus mini first up and the Aliens one next which seems absurb to me.
Quote from: hawkangel on Oct 26, 2015, 07:34:48 AM
Forgive me for replying to a post that is more than 120 days old (If a new topic is needed, mods please do so), but I thought it was worth mentioning that the Omnibus collection of Fire and Stone is out next week.
I've listened to the AvP podcast review recently (great podcast and discussion BTW) and loved it. I've read the issues via the Dark Horse iOs app, but as a collector I like owning books as well so I'm looking forward to this collection, consuming it in one continous hit as well as reading the bonus material.
I also have to say that the Omnibus isn't published in chronological order with the Prometheus mini first up and the Aliens one next which seems absurb to me.
Glad you enjoyed the podcast. :)
I actually had this Omnibus of the series pre-ordered and it just arrived today. Snapped a few pics.
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As you can see, the book is absolutely massive, bigger than any other book from the franchise on my shelf, with the pages a bigger format than the original comics. The end of the book also has a sizable section with lots of concept art and unused elements from the original story line. Definitely worth picking up for $30 on Amazon (US).
That's a damn steal. Mine was £35 in store.
I completely forgot that was due for release!
Could anyone elaborate on the new, unseen content? Is it literally just concept artwork?
Also, did the Aliens: Field Report short that set up the Aliens series get included?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2015, 09:56:20 AM
Could anyone elaborate on the new, unseen content? Is it literally just concept artwork?
There's a lot of notation. Some "deleted" material. Information and hints about the old story. I posted some other pictures in the other Fire and Stone thread.
QuoteAlso, did the Aliens: Field Report short that set up the Aliens series get included?
Unfortunately not.
Thanks, I'll head over to the other thread and have a gander!
So it does contain Field Report. It comes after Aliens and is billed as Aliens Epilogue, part of the Aliens series, not seperate.
Ah cool, thanks for saying.
Strange that it's at the end rather than the beginning, given that it's a prologue rather than an epilogue!
Got my copy in the mail today!
Also Corporal Hicks, did you get my PM?
Now yhe question is...when will be getting a sequel?
I did, Xenomrph. Replied. Sorry.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 04, 2015, 06:52:05 AM
Now yhe question is...when will be getting a sequel?
Last we heard it was being retooled in light of Alien 3.2.
It'll be Defiance up next! Which I can't wait for.
I have been out of the loop for a while...what is Alien 3.2?
Also...so the deacon became a mountain in F&S? I never understood the point of all that...
F&S seemed to be all over the place
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 03, 2015, 06:48:50 PM
Ah cool, thanks for saying.
Strange that it's at the end rather than the beginning, given that it's a prologue rather than an epilogue!
Chronologically doesn't it take place after the events of Aliens: Fire and Stone?
So I'm reading through the hardcover collection (holy jesus, it's huge) and I've got some questions. I haven't followed along with this thread since the beginning because I didn't really want to get spoiled as the series was being released, since I knew I wasn't going to read it until it came out in a mega-collection.
I just finished 'Prometheus: Fire and Stone' and I have some questions. If my questions get answered later on in the series in one of the other parts, just tell me to keep reading. :P
Spoiler
What is a "construct" (i.e., Elden)? Like I get that it's like a synthetic but not the same, but do they explain what makes them different?
I remember the first issue mentioning that the main ship had other synthetics and constructs other than Elden, but I don't remember them showing up in the story other than that mention.
The crashed Engineer ship is the same one the Prometheus disables by ramming and rolls like a donut in the movie 'Prometheus', right?
Does anything more happen with the Engineer who was wandering around? I take it he's just another survivor from the Engineer facility from the movie, right?
I'm guessing Elden and Galgo's stories aren't done, and get continued in the other 3 parts of Fire and Stone, right?
Do we find out if anything else happens to the 3 survivors in the cave at the end? Or do we just assume they die or whatever?
I enjoyed the Prometheus story, but I kind of wish it had been its own self-contained story and that the other 3 parts of Fire and Stone were their own self-contained stories, but they sort of referenced each other and contributed to a larger overarching narrative (similar to what Aliens/Predator/AvP Xenogenesis did).
It was also a little wacky that the characters were wearing 2090s Prometheus-era space suits despite the series being set over a century after 'Aliens'.
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"What is a "construct" (i.e., Elden)? Like I get that it's like a synthetic but not the same, but do they explain what makes them different?"
Not really. Best you get is that he gets called a meat robot in Omega but it's not really addressed. We asked the writers about it when we interviewed them but we get conflicting ideas.
"I remember the first issue mentioning that the main ship had other synthetics and constructs other than Elden, but I don't remember them showing up in the story other than that mention."
They're briefly in AvP #1.
"The crashed Engineer ship is the same one the Prometheus disables by ramming and rolls like a donut in the movie 'Prometheus', right?"
I think so.
"Does anything more happen with the Engineer who was wandering around? I take it he's just another survivor from the Engineer facility from the movie, right?"
You never find out why he's there or what he's there for. He shows up again though.
"I'm guessing Elden and Galgo's stories aren't done, and get continued in the other 3 parts of Fire and Stone, right?"
Yup. AvP is about Elden. Predator is about Galgo. Then Omega is about everyone left over.
"Do we find out if anything else happens to the 3 survivors in the cave at the end? Or do we just assume they die or whatever?"
In Omega.
QuoteI enjoyed the Prometheus story, but I kind of wish it had been its own self-contained story and that the other 3 parts of Fire and Stone were their own self-contained stories, but they sort of referenced each other and contributed to a larger overarching narrative (similar to what Aliens/Predator/AvP Xenogenesis did).
Yeah I had that issue too. Aliens is the only one that stands on its own wellish and even then it ends on a cliffhanger. The others are essentially Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3 and then Epilogue. Part 3 stood on its own well enough, I guess but it was definitely a Part 3.
QuoteIt was also a little wacky that the characters were wearing 2090s Prometheus-era space suits despite the series being set over a century after 'Aliens'.
It was originally set just after Prometheus but even then they'd thought about it before...
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AvPG – Something that was critiqued by readers was how similar the spacesuits in your series were to the Prometheus film despite the near centuries difference in time. As I understand it this was a result of a change in time setting? Were there many changes made over the course of the series?PT – One of the things we had to decide on early was the spacesuits. And by "we" I mean the other writers (Josh Williamson, Chris Sebela, Chris Roberson, and Kelly Sue Deconnick) and a group of editors that gathered together probably ten separate times here in Portland. We went back and forth on what suit to use, and then suddenly we realized that we didn't really have to worry. It's not like there's only one type of suit for anything in the modern day. So we gave ourselves the mental okay to have suits designed for light atmospheres, or heavy suits, or all-purpose suits, and so on.
And, yeah... as to your question on whether there were many changes made during the course of the series... there were LOTS. In fact, Juan and I had completed the first issue, I mean completely finished, with letters and colors and everything, when word came down that we needed to make so many changes that it effectively dunked the entire issue."
Quote from: happypred on Nov 05, 2015, 03:39:04 AM
I have been out of the loop for a while...what is Alien 3.2?
The Blomkamp Alien movie.
QuoteAlso...so the deacon became a mountain in F&S? I never understood the point of all that...
Who knows? It was kind of implied but not overtly said.
QuoteF&S seemed to be all over the place
It was. It felt very Prometheus-like in that regards.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 05, 2015, 05:06:42 AMChronologically doesn't it take place after the events of Aliens: Fire and Stone?
I haven't actually read it :) You could well be right! I was under the impression it took place after the colonists fled, but before the events of the main story. Not sure where I got that impression from, though. Probably just made it up in my head :P
Depends on the timeline. I can't remember where F&S overlap with Aliens. I would have put it in first to maybe try and explain the Colonial Marines you see in F&S.
I guess I assumed that even if it was chronologically later, the fact it sets up the premise of the story would mean it'd make sense to put it first. Like when movies start
in media res. The main plot could then be staged as a flashback if needs be.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2015, 08:58:41 AMI would have put it in first to maybe try and explain the Colonial Marines you see in F&S.
They in there as flashbacks or something? Or are they some of the guys from
River of Pain?
Just some no-names in the first issue.
Ah, OK.
Actually, on the subject of being in the complete tpb, was Field Report likewise included in the tpb for just the Aliens series? Anyone know?
Quote from: happypred on Nov 04, 2015, 06:52:05 AM
Now yhe question is...when will be getting a sequel?
I asked Kelly Sue DeConnick on Facebook and she advised me that's up to Dark Horse. She suggested contacting them to let them know we wanted one.
Randy Stradley did talk about it but he also mentioned it was being reworked in light of Alienkamp.
My feeling is that DH will wait until after A:PL comes out to do a sequel or anything like that. That way they'll have more to work with in terms of story and will be less likely to have to restart mid-way through again.
I'm sure Defiance will keep us more than satisfied until then. ;D
They should explore other avenues opened up by Prometheus instead.
I got my copy of the complete Fire and Stone in the mail the day of it's released. First of all I was amazed by the pure mass of the thing. It is huge. Which looks nice and impressive but I'm concerned its size will make the binding fall apart with use. Another con on first glance is that it had no cover sleeve. I think a classy hardcover with the cover art on a sleeve would look nicer. I always enjoy when they do that an example is the complete Avengers VS X-Men. I do like the cover art. It has the a dark ominous feeling with enough action to draw the reader attention. Displaying all the major players(humans in Prometheus like suits looking at Alien eggs with a Predator watching them, on the back several Aliens and a engineer) you can feel the conflict seeping from the art. When I flipped the cover open the next art was equally great. Black and white full spread of all the players in battle. Awesome. I thumbed through the pages and let me tell you there are a bunch of them. The art looks good at first glance. I found some good info in the back of the book a well. They tell you about creating the book. you get to see some early drawings and profiles of main players.
as for the comic it's self I have not started it. I'm waiting till I fly to Thailand and Laos in December. 26ish Hours should be enough time. ;D It is very hard not to start reading it. Its just setting on the coffee table in it's enormous glory waiting, begging to be picked up.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2015, 04:00:38 PM
They should explore other avenues opened up by Prometheus instead.
They should explore Prometheus avenues as well as other ones such as Amanda world, etc...
Received my copy too. It's certainly an impressive package but I agree the binding will soon go if not careful. I read it all over two nights and for a book that is over 400 pages long, not a lot really happens. Some elements I really enjoy such as the evolution of LV-223 thanks to the accelerant, but the story just doesn't seem to go anywhere...
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Nov 11, 2015, 09:49:43 PM
Received my copy too. It's certainly an impressive package but I agree the binding will soon go if not careful. I read it all over two nights and for a book that is over 400 pages long, not a lot really happens. Some elements I really enjoy such as the evolution of LV-223 thanks to the accelerant, but the story just doesn't seem to go anywhere...
Glad it's not just me. xD I think the same.
Re-read it again.
I think a lot happens, just not much is revealed.
I just finished my re read and read all of the extras. It's a shame that there a
Had to be such vast changes.
For all of its faults I really enjoyed it. Reading the complete story straight through was better than monthly.
Shah is probably my favourite Predator ever. Those four issues were the best part of the story. Galton was an unusual hero also, which I like. He is such a dick lol.
All round a great book.
Ahab is badass. So is Galgo. I loved them both and I thought the Predator series was fantastic.
Quote from: hawkangel on Nov 20, 2015, 08:43:53 AM
Re-read it again.
I think a lot happens, just not much is revealed.
Stuff happens. But it doesn't go anywhere with it. Feels empty.
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 20, 2015, 12:44:39 PM
Shah is probably my favourite Predator ever. Those four issues were the best part of the story. Galton was an unusual hero also, which I like. He is such a dick lol.
Shah and Galton?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2015, 12:58:44 PM
Ahab is badass. So is Galgo. I loved them both and I thought the Predator series was fantastic.
Quote from: hawkangel on Nov 20, 2015, 08:43:53 AM
Re-read it again.
I think a lot happens, just not much is revealed.
Stuff happens. But it doesn't go anywhere with it. Feels empty.
That's the problem with putting out a book that is not supposed to give out too much information about what is going to happen in the next film when even Ridley Scott didn't even know what the next film was going to be about at the time. There is no way that the Fire n Stone books could go anywhere. They basically had to leave an open-ended situation. That whole series was just speculation, but very fun speculation in hind-sight. I find myself enjoying the whole series more and more with the passing of time. I'm evening kind of not minding the Predators (which tend to bore me).
Quote from: happypred on Nov 23, 2015, 04:14:40 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Nov 20, 2015, 12:44:39 PM
Shah is probably my favourite Predator ever. Those four issues were the best part of the story. Galton was an unusual hero also, which I like. He is such a dick lol.
Shah and Galton?
He means Ahab and Galgo.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 23, 2015, 04:53:51 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2015, 12:58:44 PM
Ahab is badass. So is Galgo. I loved them both and I thought the Predator series was fantastic.
Quote from: hawkangel on Nov 20, 2015, 08:43:53 AM
Re-read it again.
I think a lot happens, just not much is revealed.
Stuff happens. But it doesn't go anywhere with it. Feels empty.
That's the problem with putting out a book that is not supposed to give out too much information about what is going to happen in the next film when even Ridley Scott didn't even know what the next film was going to be about at the time. There is no way that the Fire n Stone books could go anywhere. They basically had to leave an open-ended situation. That whole series was just speculation, but very fun speculation in hind-sight. I find myself enjoying the whole series more and more with the passing of time. I'm evening kind of not minding the Predators (which tend to bore me).
It didn't have to. They could have gone other directions with it.
Got my hardcover for Christmas. Read the extras and to be honest, if the writers were allowed to have told the story they wanted to, it would have been more interesting, IMO. The female construct Edina and synthetic Aliens fascinated me. Including the deacons would have pushed the Prometheus feel further to the story.
I have only read ALIENS F&S, AVP F&S and PROM F&S, and out of those three I would say that the ALIENS is by far my favorite. The PROMETHEUS one is ok whereas the AVP one was pure crap - it felt like the Aliens vs. Predator vs. Terminator comic, maybe even worse.
ALIENS F&S had a great pace, amazing artwork, believable characters, a lot of suspense without the gun porn and crazy fights. It felt realistic, slightly poetic, very dark and catered to a down-to-earth human survival and struggle narrative that I find appealing in Alien stories. Comparing it to the films is hard because it's doing its own thing, but I would say that A3 is the closest thing to ALIENS F&S. ALIENS F&S felt like it was of a similar vein as the comic ALIENS: Sacrifice, but that's more on a superficial surface level, if you know what I mean.
PROM F&S was quite ok too and actually made me appreciate the movie a little bit more, taking the Prometheus concept for what it is (even though I still think that Scott screwed it up by bringing in the whole Von Daniken's Chariots o the Gods mumbo-jumbo stuff). The characters were ok but felt underdeveloped and the pace was a little off at times.
Having looked through the complete collection again last night, I have to say yeah, AvP: FaS was just a hot mess. Some things in it were cool, like how Sebela at least tried to make the Predators a bit mysterious, but the execution just killed it. It felt like random things were just happening for no real reason, and the art got worse as the series went on. Omega ranks pretty low for me, too. It totally dropped the ball as far as wrapping anything up in a satisfying way, but the art was gorgeous, so there's at least that.
Quote from: hawkangel on Dec 26, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Read the extras and to be honest, if the writers were allowed to have told the story they wanted to, it would have been more interesting, IMO. The female construct Edina and synthetic Aliens fascinated me. Including the deacons would have pushed the Prometheus feel further to the story.
Could you elaborate?
...and yes, Sebela's entry is shite
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought AVP was a mess. The whole series felt like there something missing because they were under different titles and had to force certain aspects into the story just make the title fit. I kind of think that the story would've been more coherent under 1 title, with the Aliens series serving as a prologue.
^^ True enough. Aliens felt very Prometheus-esque in it's story telling. Prometheus felt very Aliens in that the focus was on them surviving the Aliens they found. AvP was Accelerant Wars.
Quote from: happypred on Dec 29, 2015, 12:50:27 PM
Quote from: hawkangel on Dec 26, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Read the extras and to be honest, if the writers were allowed to have told the story they wanted to, it would have been more interesting, IMO. The female construct Edina and synthetic Aliens fascinated me. Including the deacons would have pushed the Prometheus feel further to the story.
Could you elaborate?
...and yes, Sebela's entry is shite
From my understanding, the writers wanted to use deacons but couldn't, the time period of the Prometheus story was changed, there is concept art for synthetic aliens that somehow evolved from a pregnant female synthetic antogonist instead of the construct we got, Elden.
I liked the individual comics first time round of reading them, but reading the omnibus and seeing what they couldn't do made me more disappointed.
Ah well, bring on Predator : Life and Death.
Sounds like they're original ideas were a lot more bold...frankly better to the published F&S plot
Eh, some of their original ideas were cool, like having the Deacon, but people probably would have liked Elden less had they gone the "gestates synthetic aliens" route. Definitely an interesting thought experiment, though, and the concept are is cool.
I hope something interesting comes of "the mountain" one day.
So I ordered the giant hardcover edition of fire and stone. I haven't purchased any comics in a long time until recently and this is my first series written after 1999. I was mildly aware of the series when it was coming out and I had mixed feelings on Prometheus when it hit theaters so I didn't keep tabs on it. Basically I started with no idea what it was going to be about. First off I love the hardcover and all the lil extras in the book. Lots of cover art and lil things. All the art is gorgeous throughout but AvP was the weakest in the series. I think Prometheus has probably the best art. Aliens was my favorite story wise and AvP was by far the worst. Predator was a real treat I loved it.. But I liked the whole thing for the most part. I felt it actually improved the film in some ways lol. As I understood it the accelerant rapidly evolved things but was severely flawed, everything that comes in direct contact suffers terrible mutations and dies while the more diluted the goo the less severe the reactions. The mountain was just what happened to the deacon because of over exposure to the accellerant. It all seems like the black goo is possibly a failed engineer experiment that maybe got out of control. I personally liked how the motivation of the engineers is still kept mysterious and unknown. He was obviously busy doing things in the jungle and lab/ship. As a comic series I thought it added enough and didn't need to provide any real revelations about the engineers or their relation to the aliens is (which I don't really want or need yo know) the black goo was elaborated on enough I felt, maybe we can be done with the goo going forward. Eldens arc was really great too. Elden suffered the same fate as the deacon in the end, overexposed to pure too. Now the predator series was fantastic, I loved Ahab he's my fav pred at this point. I thought it was just great how he was obsessed with bagging the trophy to end all trophy's, it was a great idea. AvP as a comic was okay but the story was just out there and I felt the title creatures got shafted (the aliens and predators, more like hulk mutants attack). Overall the book is gorgeous and a sweet edition to my collection. The story overall gets a low B and the art and presentation of the giant ass harcover is an A+++. That said I am fairly forgiving with comics but I think overall when compared to other comics this was a great series. I'm glad they didn't go into any engineer or alien back story, leave that for the films, but I thought they did a better job presenting what the black goo could be and I liked that they distanced it from the actual alien origins imo. Anyway I thought it was a great buy for 30 bucks on amazon. :)
Just finished the 'Aliens' arc (finally). It was.... alright.
The artwork was cool and unique, and I liked seeing the main character kinda descend into being a crazy person, even if the cliffhanger ending was goofy and abrupt (even if it was par for the course given how the Prometheus arc ended).
I didn't like that there were so many Hadley's Hope survivors on the Onager - I think they say that like 38 people made it off the colony? That's like a third of the colony. It kinda diminishes from the destruction implied in 'Aliens' (and the number of Aliens the Marines are facing) in a third of the people got away. I can't remember if anyone took the time to count the number of PDT blips Hudson sees at the "town meeting" when he locates the colonists in the hatchery, but I wonder if that jives with the number of alleged survivors in Fire and Stone...
The huge number of survivors ended up being largely meaningless since they pretty much all end up being redshirts for the Aliens' random raids anyway. I'd have much preferred having, like, 10 people at most manage to escape on the Onager, and have them be actual characters with personalities and names and stuff, so that it feels like it matters when the Aliens pick them off.
Also if there's a Queen in the Onager, does that end up getting addressed at any point? I don't remember it being brought up at all in the Prometheus arc when they find the Onager wreckage, but I also don't recall them actually going inside the ship, either.
I haven't read 'Aliens: River of Pain' yet, how heavily (if at all) does it reference the events of Fire and Stone?
It seems like Russell finds another sleeping Engineer in a stasis pod? Is that implied to the Engineer walking around and killing Aliens in the Prometheus arc?
The queen on the Onager gets addressed in the Prometheus: Omega one-shot. As for the Engineer that Russel finds, I took it to be the same one that we see in the later series, but that's never explicitly stated.
The one shot finale was the worst of the series IMO.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 18, 2016, 02:25:33 AM
The one shot finale was the worst of the series IMO.
I just finished reading the AvP arc and, uh, that doesn't fill me with hope.
The AvP arc was kinda all over the place IMO.
Like the art was cool for static objects and things, but it didn't do a good job of conveying action and motion.
The Accelerant-infected Predator was f**king crazy looking at first, but then his mutations stopped and I was like, "oh, that's it?" I was kinda expecting him to get even more f**ked up and bizarre as the story went on, instead he kinda grew an extra arm and bulked up and got extra mandibles, and was a violent brute. It seemed like a bit of a wasted concept.
Elden talked a lot, and it got a little repetitive and old by the end. It kinda made it hard to care about what happened to him because he was so arrogant and seemingly invincible, and never felt like he was in danger. Also the Aliens arbitrarily turned on him at various points? I didn't really get that. Likewise, that one Predator does the blooding ritual on Elden, but then apparently turns on him later on in the book and tries to kill him? Like, even Elden is all "WTF I thought we were bros??", and frankly I was pretty confused, too.
I think I'd have cared more about Elden if the story had explored more of what a "construct" really was. Like, they're not synthetics like David or Bishop, but they're obviously not human... and that's about as far into the concept as the story went. How are they made? What is their role in human society, both in terms of the work they perform and the way humans treat them (especially in comparison to synthetics). How do they view synthetics, and how do synthetics view them? There was a lot of fertile ground for interesting ideas, and instead we got a lot of Elden sprouting little baby arms and a mouth from his stomach (lolwut) and chasing Francis around.
Francis' mutation was pretty crazy (mouth from the back of his head, wtf) but again he seemed like a wasted potential, and I'm not clear on what was going on with him. He says he's dying of some disease, was that mentioned in the Prometheus arc? It kinda seemed like it came out of nowhere. And then he infects himself and hulks out, and he acts like the accelerant has cured him of his condition... but then he just sorta dies at the end? The art towards the end was kinda inconsistent on what was going on with him, were some of his finger bones showing? What did Elden pick up off the floor and put in the little box, was it one of Francis' fingers?
The Predators' armor and masks seemed very reminiscent of the Super Predators from 'Predators'. Was it ever mentioned in an interview if that was intentional and that they were in fact meant to be Super Predators? Or was it just a stylistic choice on the part of the artist?
Early in the arc, Elden uses the Helios to take control of the other ship, and threatens over the comms that he'll open all the airlocks and make the ship implode. I'm, uh, I'm not sure that's how things would work, which made it doubly weird for me when that's literally what happens at the end of the arc.
It also got kinda confusing regarding what ship everyone was on at a given moment, or who was traveling to and from which ship, etc.
This arc was all over the place. I want to like it, the art was really cool at times, and it had some interesting ideas that ended up going nowhere or weren't adequately explained, but I dunno.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 18, 2016, 02:46:48 AM
The Predators' armor and masks seemed very reminiscent of the Super Predators from 'Predators'. Was it ever mentioned in an interview if that was intentional and that they were in fact meant to be Super Predators? Or was it just a stylistic choice on the part of the artist?
I remember asking Sebela if those were the Super Predators, and he said there were no Super Predators in the comic... So artistic license, I suppose.
I felt the same with the avp series, but I thought the pred series was terrific.
In my opinion...Sebela is an idiot
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 17, 2016, 10:03:20 AM
I didn't like that there were so many Hadley's Hope survivors on the Onager - I think they say that like 38 people made it off the colony?
I wasn't fond of the revisionist history. I could get behind the idea of the Onager but that many survivors, I couldn't. I'd think that they'd notice if a significant portion of the population was missing.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 17, 2016, 10:03:20 AMI haven't read 'Aliens: River of Pain' yet, how heavily (if at all) does it reference the events of Fire and Stone?
There's brief links. Derrick Russell is in it. They reference the Onager too. Nothing drastic.
QuoteIt seems like Russell finds another sleeping Engineer in a stasis pod? Is that implied to the Engineer walking around and killing Aliens in the Prometheus arc?
It's never addressed.
Quote from: 420Buddy on Apr 18, 2016, 03:43:57 AM
I felt the same with the avp series, but I thought the pred series was terrific.
Yeah. I thought Predator was the best of the series. And probably one of my favourite Predator comics.
I recently read these too (courtesy of Hicks, cheers boss!) and thought it was very uneven. Bits were good, other bits weren't, and then end was such a non-ending anti-climax. Definitely agree with the points Xenomrph made about Elden being repetitive and most of the characters in the Aliens series being frustratingly pointless.
In the Aliens arc, does mutated Cale kill Dione or whatever her name was? Like, he's holding her, and then it shows her on the ground, and you never see her again.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 18, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
I recently read these too (courtesy of Hicks, cheers boss!) and thought it was very uneven. Bits were good, other bits weren't, and then end was such a non-ending anti-climax.
The ending thing was something the whole series suffered from. They were just so poor. I hate not being given any real conclusions.
QuoteDefinitely agree with the points Xenomrph made about Elden being repetitive and most of the characters in the Aliens series being frustratingly pointless.
For the most part I really enjoyed Elden and his monologuing but it just got so pointless with no direction. A feeling that I got for the whole series. Very much a Prometheus syndrome.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 18, 2016, 09:29:48 AMFor the most part I really enjoyed Elden and his monologuing but it just got so pointless with no direction.
It was great at first but when he'd just repeated the same basic diatribe about four of five times I got really bored of it.
I think Elden is much more bearable in Omega
There is nothing even mildly redeeming about Sebela's attempt at an AvP comic. Stupid dialogue, a story that doesn't focus on the actual aliens and predators . . . and my god, Olivetti cannot draw a proper predator to save his life
If one had Prometheus, Aliens and AVP Fire & Stone TPB's, in what order would you read them?
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 17, 2016, 04:08:52 PM
If one had Prometheus, Aliens and AVP Fire & Stone TPB's, in what order would you read them?
1. Aliens
2. Prometheus
3. AVP
4. Predator
5. Prometheus Omega
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 17, 2016, 04:21:06 PM
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 17, 2016, 04:08:52 PM
If one had Prometheus, Aliens and AVP Fire & Stone TPB's, in what order would you read them?
1. Aliens
2. Prometheus
3. AVP
4. Predator
5. Prometheus Omega
Thanks
No prob. :)
If I could make a recommendation though, it would best to just get the big oversize hardcover version. Apparently there is another Short Aliens story in there. (It's not in the right sequence though) It's really just about the reading enjoyment. The book features lots of extras about the story development...
I agree, the Complete Fire and Stone hardcover is a great value, even if the arrangement of some of the stories defies logic. The 80 pages of behind-the-scenes stuff is great.
You're right it also contains: Aliens: Field Report which was first published in Dark Horse Presents, Vol. 3 #2, in September 2014.
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Prometheus:_The_Complete_Fire_and_Stone
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Aliens:_Field_Report
It's too bad I've already bought the 3 Fire & Stone TPB's, except for the Predator one. Maybe I'll buy it if I see a good deal. Only $30 on Amazon.com, if I lived in the USA I'd order it, 480 total pages!
Yeah the Complete Fire & Stone hardcover is awesome, I love mine and hope they do the same with L&D.
Just want to correct a few things and add a review for Aliens: Fire & Stone and Prometheus Fire & Stone.
I noticed that Aliens: Field Report is included in my regular softcover Aliens: Fire & Stone trade paperback. It's 8 pages long with a nice cover included. Spoiler: The first 6 pages are well know dialogue and scenes from Aliens the movie. But the final 2 pages show Hicks reading about the shuttle Onager escaping off LV-426 and than the fire alarm goes off (because of Ripley stuck with the facehuggers...) and it ends.
Something that troubles me though is the fact that it shows Hadley's Hope being attacked on July 3, 2179 but it shows Hicks in July 27, 2179. I thought the original colony went radio dead a few months prior as mentioned in Aliens and if you add tge time for the Sulaco to get there...unless these colonists were survivors who made a final run after being hidden for months after the first major attack?
Anyhow here are my quick review & ratings:
Aliens: Fire & Stone
This was a much better read than the first time I read it. The story is great and everything is well thought off.
There is some good continuity events that really open up the story. A ship escaping Hadley's Hope on LV-426 just before it's invaded by the Aliend and landing on LV-223 a few decades after Prometheus happened is great. They also find one of Feifield's mapping drones which is cool. I liked some of the character's like that scientist. A great Aliens comic for sure. Nothing better than seeing Aliens dragging away humans back to the nest. :)
There is also some good details concerning the black goo also. Anyone notice on page 90 of 100 in the tpb, one of the plants he was experimenting on looks to have transformed into an Xenomorph egg?!
Story: 8.5/10, Locations 8.5/10, Art 8/10, Alien Designs : 8/10, Colors: 7/10, Covers: 8.5/10.
Prometheus: Fire & Stone
Due to the order I'm reading them in this time, they make much more sense. This one was even better than the previous one and one of the best Aliens comics I've ever read. This had a bit of everything that's good for an Aliens story. I actually feel like reading it again.
One thing that puzzles me is Weyland sent a probe before visiting LV-223, just wondering how that little probe got there...
Even more puzzling was the Engineer that stepped on this probe. There was an Engineer walking around LV-223 in 2090 3-4 years before Prometheus landed? Interesting...I'll read this topic from the start maybe you guys have already talked about this.
Ratings for Prometheus Fire & Stone:
Story: 9/10, Locations: 8.5/10, Art 8.5/10, Alien Designs: 9/10, Colors 8/10, Covers: 8.5/10
Glad to see you're liking Fire and Stone so far!
As for the probe and the Engineer in the beginning of Prometheus, that's something still confuses me, and I don't think we've ever really come up with a satisfying explanation here.
Prometheus is my favorite too but yeah the probe thing made no sense to me either.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2014, 11:42:42 AM
I would have liked them to have finished 2 stories before starting the others. I'm worried about overlap ruining the story.
Man...Dark Horse Dark Horse Dark Horse...who's in charge of the whole AVP comic division...
That makes so much sense now...As I'm reading Aliens Fire & Stone first than Prometheus than AVP I can only imagine the overlapness you guys must have gone through reading one issue at a time from each series...Ha! I think DH tried to pull a Memento type of story but did not work out too well...
And if that wasn't their intention...than it was just plain dumb...what a blunder. I'm sure that is the reason they are releasing each series seperately now for Life and Death. Going to read AVP Fire & Stone now...
QuoteGoing to read AVP Fire & Stone now...
You have my sympathies ;D
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 19, 2016, 02:34:13 AM
QuoteGoing to read AVP Fire & Stone now...
You have my sympathies ;D
Thanks, I really did need them.
My AVP Fire And Stone Review:
What to say about this one? A crapfest from beginning to end. Who wrote this, Paul Anderson? I never thought I'd see such horseshit in an AVP comic...
Makes me want to never buy an AVP comic again...just Aliens & Prometheus. I will definitely wait for the AVP Life & Death reviews or watch it online first before buying because this was a mockery to fans by Dark Horse.
Story: 2/10, Locations: 6/10, Art 7/10, Alien Designs 7.5/10, Colors: 8/10, Covers: 8/10.
I won't even bother with Predator Fire And Stone and would not recommend to anyone AVP Fire And Stone as it adds absolutely nothing to the storyline. Aliens & Prometheus were amazing, as long as Aliens is read first.
The culmination of one of the main characters arcs from the Prometheus portion, who is looking for a miracle to cure his cancer and think he's found it in the accelerant; only for the accelerant to mutate his cancer as well vs. an intelligence who has evolved and is searching for some kind of meaning = ...nothing?
I would rather have seen a story with the deacon...vs preds vs humans than an android with 6 hands walking around for 100 pages screaming for Francis to come out come out wherever you are! Who wrote this a 10 year old? The entire text was the same jibberish. And Francis is a dumb character which I wish had been killed off 6 issues ago. Or right where he turned stupid and injected Elgen...as if hiding in a cave waiting for a pick up is the right time for heavy experiments. Common this story sucked. For me at least.
So not "nothing" then; just stuff you didn't like?
The AvP story from Fire and Stone was the only real letdown of the entire arc. It was just to weird.
@Nostromo, read the Predator entry. Please, do. And Omega. Ahab is one cool Predator, and I loved the art in the Predator entry of Fire and Stone.
The predator arc is excellent imo and I highly recommend reading that one.
ahab is my all time favorite comic pred and I really loved the art.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 20, 2014, 02:49:19 AM
Quote from: happypred on Nov 20, 2014, 02:38:44 AM
Spoiler
Any idea why there are piles of dead xenomorphs?
Spoiler
It's not entirely clear yet what's going on, but we saw an Engineer collecting dead xenos and piling them up in Prometheus #3. Whether it's hunting them, collecting samples, or something else entirely is still an open question.
Anyone have an answer to this? Perhaps we will find out in Alien: Covenant? In the movie Prometheus there was piles of dead engineers as well. Maybe they have a fetish for piling dead things. :)
I'd like to also find out more about the Engineer who stepped on the probe iin 2090. Hopefully there are some clues in the new Alien film..would be nice to finally give the comics some credit or continuation validation.
The Predator miniseries is one of the best in the whole event, probably also one of the best Predator comics ever. Omega is also worked reading for the art.
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 19, 2016, 07:07:52 AM
The AvP story from Fire and Stone was the only real letdown of the entire arc. It was just to weird.
@Nostromo, read the Predator entry. Please, do. And Omega. Ahab is one cool Predator, and I loved the art in the Predator entry of Fire and Stone.
Cool, I'll take your word for it guys! I'll try and get the complete series hardcover since it adds 80 pages of extras???!!! Or maybe I'll just get the Predator Fire and Stone TPB. Is there at least an Engineer in it?
Gotta love love those Engineers, you know when they come on screen some bad shit is gonna happen to someone. I'd love to see a Pred vs Engineer fight, mano a mano no weapons.
My only problem is I can't take Preds seriously (Ha, I know half the board will hate me) or consider them as Canon in the Aliens only universe. As a stand alone I find them fascinating, one of the best Aliens ever created, I remember sneeking in as a kid to see Predator in the theater in 1987 and it was fkin awesome.
I just feel whenever there's a Predator around, the Aliens are reduced to target practising bugs...kills all the mystery and horror. I don't mind having a seperate AVP universe though...better than nothing I guess.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 19, 2016, 02:34:13 AM
QuoteGoing to read AVP Fire & Stone now...
You have my sympathies ;D
Here's to the mud in your eye pal. ;D
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 19, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 19, 2016, 07:07:52 AM
The AvP story from Fire and Stone was the only real letdown of the entire arc. It was just to weird.
@Nostromo, read the Predator entry. Please, do. And Omega. Ahab is one cool Predator, and I loved the art in the Predator entry of Fire and Stone.
Cool, I'll take your word for it guys! I'll try and get the complete series hardcover since it adds 80 pages of extras???!!! Or maybe I'll just get the Predator Fire and Stone TPB. Is there at least an Engineer in it?
Gotta love love those Engineers, you know when they come on screen some bad shit is gonna happen to someone. I'd love to see a Pred vs Engineer fight, mano a mano no weapons.
My only problem is I can't take Preds seriously (Ha, I know half the board will hate me) or consider them as Canon in the Aliens only universe. As a stand alone I find them fascinating, one of the best Aliens ever created, I remember sneeking in as a kid to see Predator in the theater in 1987 and it was fkin awesome.
I just feel whenever there's a Predator around, the Aliens are reduced to target practising bugs...kills all the mystery and horror. I don't mind having a seperate AVP universe though...better than nothing I guess.
Oh yeah, there's an Engineer in it. :D And the extra's are awesome, loads of great design sketches.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 19, 2016, 12:08:30 PM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 20, 2014, 02:49:19 AM
Quote from: happypred on Nov 20, 2014, 02:38:44 AM
Spoiler
Any idea why there are piles of dead xenomorphs?
Spoiler
It's not entirely clear yet what's going on, but we saw an Engineer collecting dead xenos and piling them up in Prometheus #3. Whether it's hunting them, collecting samples, or something else entirely is still an open question.
Anyone have an answer to this? Perhaps we will find out in Alien: Covenant? In the movie Prometheus there was piles of dead engineers as well. Maybe they have a fetish for piling dead things. :)
I'd like to also find out more about the Engineer who stepped on the probe iin 2090. Hopefully there are some clues in the new Alien film..would be nice to finally give the comics some credit or continuation validation.
Angela says it's cleansing the planet - killing Aliens and accelerant mutated creatures alike. Then studying what's left.
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 19, 2016, 01:18:41 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 13, 2014, 11:42:42 AM
I would have liked them to have finished 2 stories before starting the others. I'm worried about overlap ruining the story.
Man...Dark Horse Dark Horse Dark Horse...who's in charge of the whole AVP comic division...
That makes so much sense now...As I'm reading Aliens Fire & Stone first than Prometheus than AVP I can only imagine the overlapness you guys must have gone through reading one issue at a time from each series...Ha! I think DH tried to pull a Memento type of story but did not work out too well...
And if that wasn't their intention...than it was just plain dumb...what a blunder. I'm sure that is the reason they are releasing each series seperately now for Life and Death. Going to read AVP Fire & Stone now...
I think it worked really well for that Prometheus #1/Aliens #1 cliff-hanger. I thought that was an absolutely awesome moment. Outside of that, no, it didn't really work for me. They've turned away from for Life and Death though and I think it's working better.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 19, 2016, 12:12:03 PM
The Predator miniseries is one of the best in the whole event, probably also one of the best Predator comics ever. Omega is also worked reading for the art.
Agreed. I consider it the best out of the whole arc actually. I would wholly recommend picking this one up.
Quote from: Thomas H. on Jun 19, 2016, 07:24:26 PM
Cool, I'll take your word for it guys! I'll try and get the complete series hardcover since it adds 80 pages of extras???!!! Or maybe I'll just get the Predator Fire and Stone TPB. Is there at least an Engineer in it?
Gotta love love those Engineers, you know when they come on screen some bad shit is gonna happen to someone. I'd love to see a Pred vs Engineer fight, mano a mano no weapons.
My only problem is I can't take Preds seriously (Ha, I know half the board will hate me) or consider them as Canon in the Aliens only universe. As a stand alone I find them fascinating, one of the best Aliens ever created, I remember sneeking in as a kid to see Predator in the theater in 1987 and it was fkin awesome.
I just feel whenever there's a Predator around, the Aliens are reduced to target practising bugs...kills all the mystery and horror. I don't mind having a seperate AVP universe though...better than nothing I guess.
Oh yeah, there's an Engineer in it. :D And the extra's are awesome, loads of great design sketches.
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Holy Crappers, I saw The Complete Prometheus: Fire and Stone Hardcover book yesterday in a comic store, the thing is like an encyclopedia tome!! What the!! What a deal on Amazon.com for 30$!!!
Before I can start taking this whole story remotely seriously, there are a couple things which need explaining:
1: it's said that 38 people escape LV-426 on the Onager, but that doesn't tally with the number of colonists still on the planet in Aliens after the marines arrive.
2: Al and Lydecker were senior staff, and yet they apparently had no idea about the escape ship? How?
3: When the other ship lands on LV-223 decades later, the technology resembles that of the Prometheus era. Yet this is in the early 23rd century. Why the heck would they be using such outdated tech?
4: LV-223 is only a short distance from LV-426, and hardly anyone has been there since Prometheus? What's going on?
Those points... (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/2127-2179/river-of-pain/)
sound oddly... (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/2127-2179/aliens-fire-and-stone/)
familiar... (https://alientimeline.wordpress.com/2127-2179/fire-and-stone-prometheus-avp-predator/)
Ok. .. I just finished reading Prometheus Omega..what the heck was this story about?!?
You have Galgo, one of the worst characters ever and Foster arguing like kids during the whole comic...you have Elgen the thing coming back for no reason, a Predator who's just standing around, a mountain that's alive and all that to show us that they made it to some desert?. what the LOL???
Story: 1/10, Locations: 6/10, Art 7.5/10, Horror 2/10, Alien Design 5/10, Colors: 7/10, Cover: 8/10.
In other words pointless and awful.. Aliens and Prometheus showed so much promise...AVP and Omega sucked. I definitely won't be buying Predator to see more of Galgo the bitch and Elgen..f that.
That's a shame . . . because the Predator series is arguably the best
Quote from: happypred on Jun 30, 2016, 02:40:07 AM
That's a shame . . . because the Predator series is arguably the best
hey there! Can you tell me in which predator issue the engineer appears in?
Elgen (sic) isn't in F&S Predator.
OK, so why is Prometheus-era tech still being used in the early twenty-third century?
Fox enforced timeframe change so it wouldn't tread on the second film.
The only real issue is ship speeds. Z2R isn't two years travel from Earth.
Quote from: SM on Jun 30, 2016, 09:06:24 AM
Fox enforced timeframe change so it wouldn't tread on the second film.
The only real issue is ship speeds. Z2R isn't two years travel from Earth.
Budget cutbacks forcing companies to utilize outdated, cheaper tech? Best explanation I can come up with right now.
Amazing how many people notice or even give a crap about the latest Astronaut suits & attire. What is this, Cosmopolitain lol?
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 30, 2016, 01:04:22 PM
Amazing how many people notice or even give a crap about the latest Astronaut suits & attire. What is this, Cosmopolitain lol?
Well, as SM points out, it isn't just the uniforms; it's the technology. As this is well after Aliens, it makes little sense for the tech to more resemble that of Prometheus, which was over a hundred years ago.
I can't say the technology really seemed out of place (aside from the obvious Prometheus style spacesuits). The Prometheus tech already seemed out of place in the universe as it looked far more advanced than anything in the Alien films. I always brought into the notion of it being top of the line kit for researchers. Thinking along that mentality (with perhaps similar outward appearance but newer guts) I thought it fitted well enough.
Don't forget in Alien they showed us space truckers (Commercial Towing Vehicle) who were pretty much rejects and f-ups like Brett, even Dallas was lucky to still have a job after that mess he was party responsible for. In Prometheus they are travelling in full class no expense spared as the owner of the company is travelling with them too.
Gotta read Predator F&S, its one of the best predator titles dark horse has ever produced.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 30, 2016, 07:01:58 PM
Gotta read Predator F&S, its one of the best predator titles dark horse has ever produced.
And Ahab one of the best designs ever for a Predator.
Thumbing through my Fire and Stone hardcover again, and something just occurred to me about the AvP series. The Predators in that series are Ahab's clan, so it's likely they know at least a bit about his white whale. Maybe they blood Elden because they think "Oh maybe this is one of those space gods our elder has talked about." Or like Elden says later, maybe they were branding him, setting him aside for Ahab. I hadn't thought of that before.
I just read a five-part Aliens comic with this title. Is there more to it?
As in you've read Aliens: Fire and Stone? There's a F&S series for all the titles plus an extra long shot for Prometheus to tie up the run.
Yes.
When SM listed "Fire & Stone comics," I didn't realize it was a crossover event that spanned multiple titles.
There were only 4 issues in the Aliens part of that crossover.
Maybe that's including the DH Presents short.
Some final thoughts on this series, which started very good but ended badly..how can one find out who's horseshyte idea it was to mention that the Deacon from Prometheus turned into a fkin mountain? Did this come from Fox or the writer from Dark Horse? Or was it from someone's 10 year old kid?
Also, who's idea was it to have the settlers from LV-426 decide to build a settlement made out of wooden barriers in the middle of an Alien infested forest/land? I think these settlers have seen Aliens rip through steel doors already as Xenomorphine mentioned in a podcast..
Anyhow, hopefully these 2 braindead ideas should be remembered by Fox and DH as the type of crap that shouldn't get through when editing or brainstorming. Nevermind the resident evil 6 armed and legged mutations..I don't even want to start with that.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 09, 2016, 11:08:20 AM
Some final thoughts on this series, which started very good but ended badly..how can one find out who's horseshyte idea it was to mention that the Deacon from Prometheus turned into a fkin mountain? Did this come from Fox or the writer from Dark Horse? Or was it from someone's 10 year old kid?
Also, who's idea was it to have the settlers from LV-426 decide to build a settlement made out of wooden barriers in the middle of an Alien infested forest/land? I think these settlers have seen Aliens rip through steel doors already as Xenomorphine mentioned in a podcast..
Anyhow, hopefully these 2 braindead ideas should be remembered by Fox and DH as the type of crap that shouldn't get through when editing or brainstorming. Nevermind the resident evil 6 armed and legged mutations..I don't even want to start with that.
Wait, what?? The mountian was the Deacon? Where was that stated??
Quote from: Thomas H. on Aug 09, 2016, 11:41:55 AM
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 09, 2016, 11:08:20 AM
Some final thoughts on this series, which started very good but ended badly..how can one find out who's horseshyte idea it was to mention that the Deacon from Prometheus turned into a fkin mountain? Did this come from Fox or the writer from Dark Horse? Or was it from someone's 10 year old kid?
Also, who's idea was it to have the settlers from LV-426 decide to build a settlement made out of wooden barriers in the middle of an Alien infested forest/land? I think these settlers have seen Aliens rip through steel doors already as Xenomorphine mentioned in a podcast..
Anyhow, hopefully these 2 braindead ideas should be remembered by Fox and DH as the type of crap that shouldn't get through when editing or brainstorming. Nevermind the resident evil 6 armed and legged mutations..I don't even want to start with that.
Wait, what?? The mountian was the Deacon? Where was that stated??
It's never explicitly stated, but it's pretty heavily implied in Omega. There's a line along the lines of "it must been an organism on Weyland's ship. It grew too fast because of the accelerant."
Not explicit, and there's room for interpretation, but I think the writers were definitely tipping their hand in that direction.
QuoteAlso, who's idea was it to have the settlers from LV-426 decide to build a settlement made out of wooden barriers in the middle of an Alien infested forest/land? I think these settlers have seen Aliens rip through steel doors already as Xenomorphine mentioned in a podcast..
So they just set up their own smelter and manufacture steel walls?
Quote from: SM on Aug 13, 2016, 04:08:04 AM
QuoteAlso, who's idea was it to have the settlers from LV-426 decide to build a settlement made out of wooden barriers in the middle of an Alien infested forest/land? I think these settlers have seen Aliens rip through steel doors already as Xenomorphine mentioned in a podcast..
So they just set up their own smelter and manufacture steel walls?
LOL yes, place the smelter right by the nuclear reactor. Just like in Rise of Nations or Sim City. Don't forget to attach the electrical poles to give it some power.
But seriously, all that work for 6 foot wooden half ass walls. At least make an encampment like the one in the '70's King Kong movie, with 50 x 2 feet thick wooden walls. Don't forget to add the bulldozer manufacturing plant by the smelter.
In real life, I think they would just keep walking without stopping in the opposite direction of where they first encountered the Aliens.
The best FIRE & STONE chapter in the whole series was the ALIENS one. The wooden walls didn't bother me one bit, especially in comparison to the absolute crap that was the AVP chapter and the lackluster cheese-laden bore fest of the PREDATOR and PROMETHEUS chapters. At least the OMEGA chapter introduced some interesting ideas and narratives.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Aug 13, 2016, 10:01:40 PM
The best FIRE & STONE chapter in the whole series was the ALIENS one. The wooden walls didn't bother me one bit, especially in comparison to the absolute crap that was the AVP chapter and the lackluster cheese-laden bore fest of the PREDATOR and PROMETHEUS chapters. At least the OMEGA chapter introduced somme interesting ideas and narratives.
Wow, really? You hated the AVP part but liked the Omega one?
I liked Prometheus & Aliens, just ordered the Predator TPB.
Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 13, 2016, 10:10:54 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Aug 13, 2016, 10:01:40 PM
The best FIRE & STONE chapter in the whole series was the ALIENS one. The wooden walls didn't bother me one bit, especially in comparison to the absolute crap that was the AVP chapter and the lackluster cheese-laden bore fest of the PREDATOR and PROMETHEUS chapters. At least the OMEGA chapter introduced somme interesting ideas and narratives.
Wow, really? You hated the AVP part but liked the Omega one?
I liked Prometheus & Aliens, just ordered the Predator TPB.
AVP was just way over the top and just got sillier and sillier every page passing by. Total pulp, but not in a good way. Omega had better pacing and artwork and actually contributed to the story. I kind of liked the idea that the Mountain originated from a life-form, possibly the Deacon. I'm not saying that they did a great job with Omega, but it could've been way worse.
The Prometheus chapter was interesting but I just didn't dig the artwork and the storytelling, whereas the Predator chapter just felt really flat and generic in comparison to the other entries.
I guess the reason I like the Aliens chapter the most is because it feels like a unique mix between Aliens: Sacrifice and Aliens: Labyrinth, which are my two all-time favorite Alien comics.
For Fire and Stone i loved Prometheus, aliens, and predator. They were all great I thought. I didn't care much for omega and I really disliked avp.
I re-read the entire collection over the weekend and then finished it off yesterday and I gotta say I enjoyed the experience over all. There's lots of things I do genuinely enjoy about the run and the artwork is largely really pretty but when I sit and think about things a little, I get frustrated too. As ultimately it just seems to go nowhere. It's very much a Prometheus experience for me.
It's definitely a fun story, but I agree that it's a lot like Prometheus in that it's not completely satisfying. The behind the scenes stuff is great!
How does the AVP mini hold up?
Looking forward to readin Life and Death in trade.
Nice! I'm currently doing the same (finally splurged on the complete hardback). The art in Prometheus is up there with Den Beauvais. I love the panel where the aliens are dropping from the trees while the geryon crew is riding those rovers! I'm in the AVP section now and it slows the story down quite a bit.
I can't say I have much praise for this beyond the art.
Spoiler
Pathogen effecting an android, Pathogen gluing Aliens together like melting two NECA Aliens together, Pathogen making extra limbs, mandibles whatever.
No design consistency whatsoever.
It truly goes off the rails, in the two prequels- when the Pathogen infects a creature it, as David says either kills them outright or uses them as an incubator when deployed directly. Regardless of being correctly deployed or not, it always results in a creature with elongated limbs, translucent skin and extreme aggression.
It's magic with no rules in the comic, and that's just no fun.
There's also a ship directly going from LV-426 to LV-223, c'mon how lazy can you be. This kind of A to B storytelling is present throughout the whole thing.
The Deacon became a mountain, instead of encountering a number of more suitable and believable fates. There's inferred time travel.
There's not a single notworthy character.
Nope, not for me- wasted potential.
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Elden wasn't completely synthetic. He had biological components more like a cyborg.
Fire and Stone was written and produced years before Covenant so they didn't know about "it kills them outright or uses them as an incubator". The goo didn't seem to kill Fifield outright.
Why is there a problem with the ship going from 426 to 223? They were both orbiting the same planet.
And there's no time travel in Fire & Stone.
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True actually, I'll give that a pass- would have felt more tolerable if I actually believed that he was a strong character.
As I said, regardless of that statement in Covenant. In Prometheus everything that came into contact with the Pathogen (Even incorrectly deployed, as it was with Fifield) had a similar design language and characteristics.
The time frame of the two expeditions is too coincidental for my liking.
I can't remember where but it's definitely inferred that the Engineers have some form of time travel.
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Fifield mutated in Prometheus, and it look like Holloway was head down the same road, just slower. The worms turned into hammerpedes. And the Engineers head blew up. I don't really see a huge departure from that sort of thing in the comics. I liked how that when Francis actually got the 'filtered' accelerant, it effectively accelerated his cancer.
Not sure what you mean about the time frames.
Life & Death hinted at time travel. But it's just speculation from Singer.
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Elden makes an offhand mention of the Engineers "moving through time," but he doesn't have any knowledge that would indicate that that is true.
Life and Death makes a similar conjecture, but again nothing is definitely stated.
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I read "moving through time" as "long lived".
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A whole ecosystem, more mandibles, limbs, creatures fused together, mountainous creatures.
None of that is implied or fits in with the design language that Prometheus shows or tells.
As I originally stated, it's narrative shorthand with no identity in Fire and Stone, Prometheus 2012- did that to an extent narratively but had a consistent set of rules for the nature of the virus. This goes off the rails completely.
I would not call what Prometheus showed us as consistent. At all.
Direct exposure either causes organisms to break down, or freakishly mutate, and the way with which it is deployed does not matter. Directly ingested, dipped in. It's all chaos.
Yeah, the worm that turned into the hammerpede seemed like a pretty big leap and that was swimming in it.
Regardless, it didn't even come close to the things it can do in Fire and Stone.
That's the problem.
It breaks things down or turns them (eventually) into a pale, gaunt, monster with long limbs that carries the Alien's very basic core design language.
Fire and Stone doesn't adhere to that in the slightest, especially visually, check my previous spoiler tag for examples.
What was the "core design language" in the hammerpede?
It's pale, skinny, it has been enlogated and has a form of hidden appendages around it's head, similarly the Trilobite has hidden tentacle appendages also for holding its' prey. Neomorphs (In which I include the Deacon) have a similar hidden form of attack in their pharyngeal jaw.
Doesn't look very Alien, but.
Very Facehugger without legs.
I wasn't exactly stating they all looked like the Alien though, but that they did all have a set characteristics that F&T did not adhere to.
If you say so.
The hammerpede looked very much like a facehugger without the legs but the Trilobite certainly didn't look much like an Alien. It certainly functioned like one but visual, aside from the lots of legs and something to jam down your throat, it didn't look anything like an Alien. The original Fifield mutant looked more Alien-ish than the practical one. The one in the film doesn't look anything like that.
It's a part of my problem with Prometheus. That they didn't know exactly what to do with the goo - it just did stuff. Personally, I prefer the idea that it does mutate things into something more resembling the Alien and I liked that in Fire and Stone. It's done more consistently throughout.
Ya I liked that Cale basically mutated into the original Fifield creature. As for Elden we don't exactly know which elements terrestrial or otherwise make up his "meat suit" and thus what reaction he'd have to it. We also don't know which strains of black goo has spilled. Is it the strain that the engineers use to seed life like the opening scene of Prometheus or is it the weaponized variant that mutates organics. It's probably both considering that we have a jungle with deacon-esque creatures. I do think the vines that grow out of every foot print of Elden seems a little much though.
Into the trash it goes.
::)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 27, 2018, 06:57:55 AM
It's a part of my problem with Prometheus. That they didn't know exactly what to do with the goo - it just did stuff. Personally, I prefer the idea that it does mutate things into something more resembling the Alien and I liked that in Fire and Stone.
It's done more consistently throughout.
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Yeah, right- consistent is what I think when I look at this.
As I already said;
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 27, 2018, 02:06:38 AM
I wasn't exactly stating all the creatures in Prometheus looked like the Alien though, but that they did all have a set characteristics that Fire & Stone did not adhere to, creatures and the "deadly virus" alike; It breaks things down or turns them (eventually) into a pale, gaunt, monster with long limbs that carries the Alien's basic core design language in the film.
Even the practical Fifield monster tries to go for this with camera trickery, the crab pose and bulbous head.
The creature has been elongated and has a form of hidden appendages around its' head, unfolding flaps in the Hammerpedes' case and in the Trilobite's case it has hidden tentacle appendages that it also uses for holding its' prey.
Neomorphs (In which I include the Deacon) have a similar hidden form of attack in their pharyngeal jaw.
Plus F&S' story isn't exactly on my top ten EU pieces of fiction from it's writing alone, but I think had the virus been given an outline of what it can and can't do based upon what we see in Prometheus- rather than what was put to print.
I would've liked it a considerable lot more.
It's simply not as interesting when there are no rules.
What is that first page in the spoiler tag from? It sure isn't Fire and Stone.
Sorry, wrong link- that's from Drifter.
It's not the best but it has its moments. This'll be my second read through of the complete series (Fire and Stone & Life and Death). Life and Death does a good job of improving the overall story. I'd like to see a third crossover done by a single author and a single artist for all 17 issues.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 27, 2018, 04:14:46 PM
Yeah, right- consistent is what I think when I look at this.
For the most part, yes, it's more consistent as they're mostly clearly Giger-esque and Alien in influence. The stuff that doesn't adhere to that are separate circumstances. Both Francis and the Predator are mutated by a "filtered" version of the accelerant. Cale is literally touching an already accelerant derived creature when he's infected. It's not 100% consistent (nor did I claim it was) but it feels more so than in Prometheus.
But that's a problem with the accelerant. It's not clearly defined so it's being used to do anything.
Predator: F&S by itself is one of my favorites. I love Ahab's design and personality, easily one of the coolest predators.
For me, Fire & Stone as a whole has some issues.At the same time I also think there is some pretty great stuff in the Prometheus and Predator arcs. Unfortunately I thought AvP F&S was bad.
I also wasnt a big fan of the Life or Death series either.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 28, 2018, 11:39:59 PM
For me, Fire & Stone as a whole has some issues.
13 issues across all 4 titles, I believe.
I.... I'll see myself out. :P
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Quote from: The Old One on Jul 27, 2018, 04:14:46 PM
Yeah, right- consistent is what I think when I look at this.
For the most part, yes, it's more consistent as they're mostly clearly Giger-esque and Alien in influence.
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(Sorry to reply to a 6-month old topic but this has been bothering me.)
I don't know what you believe "Giger-esque" means, but it is always-
white, grey, black, brown, shades of flesh colour- and Biomechanical.
(Which isn't what is shown in F&S' series, it's just fleshy and skeletal.)
I think there's been a bit of a misinterpretation-
strike Alien off the chalkboard and H.R Giger.
Now think of the Pathogen as an isolated entity, there's more design
consistency between the Pathogen's function
and the creatures it produces in Prometheus than in the Fire & Stone series.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 27, 2018, 04:14:46 PM
I wasn't exactly stating all the creatures in Prometheus looked like the Alien though, but that they did all have a set characteristics that Fire & Stone did not adhere to, creatures and the "deadly virus" alike; It breaks things down or turns them
(eventually) into a pale, gaunt, monster with long limbs that carries the Alien's basic core design language in the film.
Even the practical Fifield monster tries to go for this with camera trickery, the crab pose and bulbous head.
The creature has been elongated and has a form of hidden appendages around its' head, unfolding flaps in the Hammerpedes' case
and in the Trilobite's case it has hidden tentacle appendages that it also uses for holding its' prey.
Neomorphs (In which I include the Deacon) have a similar hidden form of attack in their pharyngeal jaw.
I still wish they had tried tackling Prometheus/Covenant concepts in the comics without shoehorning in Predator. There's enough meat to the prequels within the context of the Alien universe that is ripe for expansion without needing to be a crossover with Predator.
Agreed.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 19, 2019, 07:09:33 AM
I still wish they had tried tackling Prometheus/Covenant concepts in the comics without shoehorning in Predator. There's enough meat to the prequels within the context of the Alien universe that is ripe for expansion without needing to be a crossover with Predator.
I'm the opposite, sort of. While I agree that having other, standalone Prometheus/Covenant comics that explore that side of it would be cool, it's likely off-limits until we know definitively if Riddles is doing anything more in terms of movies.
As for Predator involvement, I'm completely okay with it. I think it adds an interesting dynamic that's worth exploring, and I find the Predators' attitude of "space gods? f**k it, let's hunt them for trophies" really funny and refreshing.
The Fire and Stone stories and follow ons are my favourite AvP stories. As a long time avp comic fan I can honestly say I'd be happy if they were the only cannon ones and all others discarded.
The stories all pull together well and I felt everyone got a good amount of spotlight with the vibe feeling consistant no matter who the story followed. We have perhaps the best Predator character yet who shows growth while not shedding the mysterious we wont ever fully understand them vibe.
My only complaint is alot of human characters are forgotten easily and due to the amount of deaths I felt it hard to get attached to anyone Human.
-TJ88
Really? Fire and Stone & Life and Death's a disaster IMO.
Dead Orbit, Dust To Dust, Labyrinth, Salvation, Sacrifice, Survival and Alchemy's all ultra-superior.
I increasingly like F&S. that mountain alien was a stroke of genius. So off the wall.
Wasn't a big fan of Eldon's look but I can get past that. Loved the Alien sharks..
It's unrealistic and meaningless.
The "Deacon" (Neomorph variation); the logical conclusion's the "Deacon" perished.
But no, nonsense reigns supreme.
Human characters? Human caricatures.
The Pathogen depiction's garbage, illogical and unimaginative.
I like F&S for the most part. Some really great art and a meh story. I loved when Elden first gets infected and lets all the aliens aboard the ship. Unfortunately the AvP arc of F&S was pretty terrible. Thankfully it was followed by the excellent Predator F&S. I love Ahab, he is my favorite EU predator.
The ending was not so good either, they lost me at the mountain alien. Overall I would give the series a 6 or 7/10
The comics have some good moments. Main issue for the me was the goddamn goo, it was already a mess on Prometheus and a worthless addition to the alien universe and then they decided to focus on that trash. Its around the 6/10 area.
Worthless? No, it's a fantastic new concept.
The Cold Forge's utilisation is perfection.
Utilisation (F&S and L&D) is garbage.
Ahab Predator's excellent.
Top tier.
All utilisations were garbage as it shouldn't have ever being added to the series imo.
The Cold Forge's a masterpiece and the story's constructed concerning it.
Narratively and thematically.
For you. I liked Cold Forge overall but I think the plagiarus praepotens thing is trash and I prefer just a chestburster embryo instead.
Plagiarus praepotens is the best creation, the franchise attained since the inventions of the original Alien Trilogy.
The universe, the realism, the retrofuturism, W-Y, the lifecycle, the Matriarch, the host DNA incorporation, and now...
Plagiarus praepotens... the tech elaborations and the characters of TCF.
I wish I could see it that way but that black goo wannabe was just trash imo.
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 28, 2019, 04:25:12 AM
Alien The Cold Forge:
Everything is good. The style is elegant and efficient, the pacing harmonious, the atmosphere thick and repulsive. I don't think I've ever read an Alien text which grasped the horror and beauty of the H.R Giger beast like this. Even Alan Dean Foster's super creepy novelization of the first movie pales in comparison to Alex White's masterpiece.
The story is structured around two magnificent characters. Blue Marsalis is an almost paralyzed, dying queer black scientist, in love with a female coworker; she uses a male robotic body to interact with the environment. Dorian Sulder is a sociopathic rich cishet white man, auditor for the Company, a perfect social predator with an artistic side, who quickly understand his true call when facing the impossible creature. Both characters will be lead to do terrible things, for different reasons, and a strong tension will develop between them, leading to a powerful conclusion.
The support cast contains some interesting characters, namely Anne, Marcus and Kambili, while making it painfully obvious that the extras are not just fodder, but human beings whose end will be a tragedy. Each aspect of the story is well-thought and executed, and you finish the book even before realizing you've started it, happy but hungry for more, and still haunted by the idea of the plagiarus praepotens as the real face of the obsidian nightmare.
THANK YOU Alex White for such a great experience!
^
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"The relation of gender and sexuality to Ash is just fantastic, the subtext between the Alien and Android was there all along. It makes Alex White's The Cold Forge all the more brilliant in retrospect when you consider the textual relationship between Blue and Marcus, whom Blue literally uses to perform sex acts, whether that's with her chosen human partner or forcing him to swallow the "seed" all whilst Blue questions Gender Identity."
Don't make it worse for me :D. Thankfully I didn't see the history that way.
The history?
Cold Forge's history/plot. I don't have the same interpretation on it.
Alien is a violation story.
Not into it. Rape sure, interspecies rape. The rest I never felt that way, if it was either the writers or the director intentions good for them. That's not what interested me on the movie, so its not something I'm interested on seeing on other entries.
I've only read the Fire and Stone cycle once, and it pretty much reinforced why I don't like generally comics. No character depth whatsoever - in fact the only characters that were memorable at all were Galgo and Ahab - while the story ultimately struck me as confused and pointless. I know it was subjected to a major rewrite before release so maybe that hampered it's narrative, but I wound up feeling like it was just so much of nothing.
I mean the art was generally good but pretty pictures don't make a compelling story for me.
F&S and L&D's a poor story.
Hellboy, Papergirls or Saga though?
Excellent.
...just a pic of my updated Fire and Stone collection: every US and Hungarian editions.
(yeah, DHP normal cover version is missing! ;))
Wow, impressive.
The cover art is the best part.
Nothing will ever be epic as the original cover to AVP: Fire and Stone, with Elden surrounded by Deacons and Ahab in front looking badass.
Amanda Ripley is great and all but we need a sequel to this.
Negative.
Regarding both.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 16, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
Amanda Ripley is great and all but we need a sequel to this.
I'm too scared it will be time travel to want a sequel. :laugh:
It would me amazing if they traveled in time and ended up on the Engineer homeworld just before David showed up and wiped them all out. Now that would be an ending!
It would be weird. Well it has been weird all the way.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 16, 2019, 03:52:34 PM
It would me amazing if they traveled in time and ended up on the Engineer homeworld just before David showed up and wiped them all out. Now that would be an ending!
I'd hate to time travel make an appearance. In my mind it opens the door for David to go back in time and crash with a Derelict full of eggs.
If they ended up doing time travel in a film - it's not going to be because it was in a comic.
I know one doesn't exactly equal the other. That's just me being silly. It just makes it feel less "out there" if it's already made an appearance in another piece of lore. Same with the empathy in Sea of Sorrows for me. It didn't feel strange to me because of the Earth War stuff.
That stuff was kind of/ sort of hinted at in Resurrection. SoS made it more blatant though.
I didn't mind it as much as I thought I would.
I didn't mind the empathy angle in Sea of Sorrows either. It was handled a lot better that I would've expected.
The only thing that bugged me about it was the fact Decker was explicitly said to be a descendant of O.G. Ripley rather than Ripley 8, when the latter would've made more sense of the whole thing.
I don't see how OG Ripley doesn't makes sense.
I think HuDa is refereeing to the empathic ability.
Being a relative of Ripley 8 would be an easy way to explain said ability.
Being a relative of OG Ripley means humans would have to evolve this ability.
As far as the Alien universe is concerned, empathic ability is a thing - at least as far as that book goes.
It would have felt less out there if he'd been related to Ripley 8. It could have been some sort of connection to the Alien that was inherited through her. But like I said above, because I was used to the idea of a connection from the old days, it wasn't too out there for me. I do agree it would have been more palatable if it was something inherited from Ripley 8.
Is Sea Of Sorrows not the first use and reference of empathic ability is the rebooted universe ?
Yeah, it was in that rebooted EU.
I thought so. So having Dekker be a Decendent of Ripley 8 would be quite tidy in respect to where the empathic ability comes from.
At the end of the day. It matters not, either way.
Man, getting Ripley 8 pregnant sound like a risky prospect :laugh:
The empathic ability doesn't need to come from Ripley.
While that's true, it's kind of missing the point of what people are saying.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 17, 2019, 11:58:24 AM
I thought so. So having Dekker be a Decendent of Ripley 8 would be quite tidy in respect to where the empathic ability comes from.
The reason Decker has a link with the aliens on LV-178 is due to Ripley's actions on Out of Shadows, the aliens POV parts show they are aware of his relation to Ripley and target him for that, so that aspect couldn't be there if it was Ripley 8. But I suppose Ripley 8 could count the same as Ripley for those aliens.
Rollins seems pretty casual when she tells Decker he is a low-level empath so it doesn't seem like a big deal on that universe.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 17, 2019, 11:58:24 AM
Man, getting Ripley 8 pregnant sound like a risky prospect :laugh:
If the hymen was brough back intact, better not risk dealing with that blood. Johner would still go for it.
So unbelievably idiotic.
The fact nobody vetoed it is, unfortunate.
Maybe it was forced by Fox. Ripley's presence was forced on Out of Shadows, in Sea of Sorrow they might have asked to tie the story and the main character to Ripley.
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2019, 01:11:09 PM
The empathic ability doesn't need to come from Ripley.
Agreed. That's why I said that it doesn't matter either way.
How is the audio drama for Sea Of Sorrows ?
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 17, 2019, 10:43:40 AMI think HuDa is refereeing to the empathic ability.
Being a relative of Ripley 8 would be an easy way to explain said ability.
Being a relative of OG Ripley means humans would have to evolve this ability.
Yeah, pretty much.
There's also the fact there's infinite scope for Ripley 8 to have had children at some point, whereas we're specifically told Ellen Ripley had no living descendants by 2179.
It wasn't exactly ridiculous the way it was, I just thought there was an obvious and logical tally there that the book needlessly avoided.
Would also be a nice nod to Resurrection as well. If they went out of their way to acknowledge Ripley 8 it would highlight the potential for further tales with her.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 17, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
whereas we're specifically told Ellen Ripley had no living descendants by 2179.
They went for the retcon path, didn't the author said Burke was lying? Don't remember the podcast well. Anyways Amanda had kids now.
Oh sure, you could say Burke was simply lying. But by making Decker's forebear Ripley 8 instead you don't need to faff about with work-arounds like that.
On top of which there'd be a nice link for the Xeno-empathy thing.
I assumed Ripley 8's Xeno-empathy thing was exclusive to the AR hive, since they had her memories too, weren't average aliens, being cloned mutants like her.
So an unrelated hive like the one in LV-178 wouldn't really react to that link. But I get what you mean, when I first heard about the book I was sure he was a descendent of Ripley 8, seemed like the obvious route to go for that case.
Quote from: Russ840 on Apr 17, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
How is the audio drama for Sea Of Sorrows ?
Really good, there is a lot of interesting changes to it, one or two them is not as good and should have been left as it was in the book though. Namely
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Rollins decision regarding the hive, she made a smart and pragmatic choice in the book, not so much in the audio.
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There's also the fact there's infinite scope for Ripley 8 to have had children at some point, whereas we're specifically told Ellen Ripley had no living descendants by 2179.
She could've had cousins.
You'd think any surviving family would rate a mention in Aliens. The film implies that with her daughter gone she's very much alone.
Why would they rate a mention?
Probably a good chance any hypothetical cousins were also dead. Assuming she had any meaningful relationship with them before she left.
A connection to her past life, however tangible.
I'd like to think if I got frozen in time for almost six decades, I'd be told about any living relatives I might still have when I woke up so that there'd at least be someone I knew I could potentially relate to.
Besides, "descendant" of Ripley implies Decker comes from an offspring of hers directly rather than a cousin or some such. I certainly wouldn't call my cousins' children my descendants.
You'd usually just use relatives.
She obviously has no descendants.