1, 2, or 3 franchises: where do you stand on this?

[Traveler37]

The new continuity that will presumably be created once a new AVP film (totally separate from the previous two iterations, and potentially linked to the actual Alien universe) is released.

Spoiler

Potentially as soon as next year, under the (working?) title Badlands.

[close]

Are you saying that

Spoiler

Predator: Badlands will pull double-duty as a 3rd AVP?

[close]

[Nightmare Asylum]

The new continuity that will presumably be created once a new AVP film (totally separate from the previous two iterations, and potentially linked to the actual Alien universe) is released.

Spoiler

Potentially as soon as next year, under the (working?) title Badlands.

[close]

Are you saying that

Spoiler

Predator: Badlands will pull double-duty as a 3rd AVP?

[close]

I'm saying that that's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory about it!

[Traveler37]

The new continuity that will presumably be created once a new AVP film (totally separate from the previous two iterations, and potentially linked to the actual Alien universe) is released.

Spoiler

Potentially as soon as next year, under the (working?) title Badlands.

[close]

Are you saying that

Spoiler

Predator: Badlands will pull double-duty as a 3rd AVP?

[close]

I'm saying that that's my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory about it!

It will be awesome if that happens.

[Oasis Nadrama]

Two.

Alien
AvP and Predator

That makes a lot of sense, and would allow people to still quickly build new stories from the AVP movies despite them being incompatible with Covenant.

The thing is the Alien universe can stand on its own as a larger franchise because it has gigantic stakes (the survival of the human species, and actually of all ecosystems) and significant political entities (Weyland-Yutani, Seegson, etc) as well as a solid continuity.

And with all due respect to all Yautja lovers, it is not the case for the Predator universe. It has no larger stakes (the Predators are just a bunch of dudes hunting down humans sometimes for fun), no significant political entities, and no solid continuity.
Keeping the Aliens in it can only enrich and solidify it.

[Traveler37]

Two.

Alien
AvP and Predator

That makes a lot of sense, and would allow people to still quickly build new stories from the AVP movies despite them being incompatible with Covenant.

The thing is the Alien universe can stand on its own as a larger franchise because it has gigantic stakes (the survival of the human species, and actually of all ecosystems) and significant political entities (Weyland-Yutani, Seegson, etc) as well as a solid continuity.

And with all due respect to all Yautja lovers, it is not the case for the Predator universe. It has no larger stakes (the Predators are just a bunch of dudes hunting down humans sometimes for fun), no significant political entities, and no solid continuity.
Keeping the Aliens in it can only enrich and solidify it.

What is the harm in just letting the two franchises coexist as a shared universe?
The first AVP made money, the 2nd not so much, hence why there hasn't been a 3rd.

I am asking in all honesty, why do Alien fans hate the "idea" of AVP? Is it just the 2 films Alien fans hate?

[BlueMarsalis79]

I like the idea of AVP. But the AVP films suck.

[Oasis Nadrama]

Two.

Alien
AvP and Predator

That makes a lot of sense, and would allow people to still quickly build new stories from the AVP movies despite them being incompatible with Covenant.

The thing is the Alien universe can stand on its own as a larger franchise because it has gigantic stakes (the survival of the human species, and actually of all ecosystems) and significant political entities (Weyland-Yutani, Seegson, etc) as well as a solid continuity.

And with all due respect to all Yautja lovers, it is not the case for the Predator universe. It has no larger stakes (the Predators are just a bunch of dudes hunting down humans sometimes for fun), no significant political entities, and no solid continuity.
Keeping the Aliens in it can only enrich and solidify it.

What is the harm in just letting the two franchises coexist as a shared universe?
The first AVP made money, the 2nd not so much, hence why there hasn't been a 3rd.

I am asking in all honesty, why do Alien fans hate the "idea" of AVP? Is it just the 2 films Alien fans hate?

It's a good question.
Looking into myself, I think a potential reason is that the Predators just feel more "pulp", as a concept, more like something belonging to old-school, light-hearted scifi, than the Alien (yeah, despite the gore).

[Local Trouble]

I like the idea of AVP. But the AVP films suck.

Wine and soda should never be mixed.

[Acid_Reign161]

Definitely 3.

Alien
Predator
AvP

The alien head in Predator 2 is just an easter egg.

[SM]

Two.

Alien
AvP and Predator

That makes a lot of sense, and would allow people to still quickly build new stories from the AVP movies despite them being incompatible with Covenant.

The thing is the Alien universe can stand on its own as a larger franchise because it has gigantic stakes (the survival of the human species, and actually of all ecosystems) and significant political entities (Weyland-Yutani, Seegson, etc) as well as a solid continuity.

And with all due respect to all Yautja lovers, it is not the case for the Predator universe. It has no larger stakes (the Predators are just a bunch of dudes hunting down humans sometimes for fun), no significant political entities, and no solid continuity.
Keeping the Aliens in it can only enrich and solidify it.

What is the harm in just letting the two franchises coexist as a shared universe?
The first AVP made money, the 2nd not so much, hence why there hasn't been a 3rd.

I am asking in all honesty, why do Alien fans hate the "idea" of AVP? Is it just the 2 films Alien fans hate?

Most people don't hate it as an idea.  Some people see it as a bit cheap because it currently revolves around the Predators having some dominance over the Aliens.  If it wasn't that, it might be regarded more favourably.

As for co-existing in a shared universe - Riddles put paid to that.

[Traveler37]

Two.

Alien
AvP and Predator

That makes a lot of sense, and would allow people to still quickly build new stories from the AVP movies despite them being incompatible with Covenant.

The thing is the Alien universe can stand on its own as a larger franchise because it has gigantic stakes (the survival of the human species, and actually of all ecosystems) and significant political entities (Weyland-Yutani, Seegson, etc) as well as a solid continuity.

And with all due respect to all Yautja lovers, it is not the case for the Predator universe. It has no larger stakes (the Predators are just a bunch of dudes hunting down humans sometimes for fun), no significant political entities, and no solid continuity.
Keeping the Aliens in it can only enrich and solidify it.

What is the harm in just letting the two franchises coexist as a shared universe?
The first AVP made money, the 2nd not so much, hence why there hasn't been a 3rd.

I am asking in all honesty, why do Alien fans hate the "idea" of AVP? Is it just the 2 films Alien fans hate?

Most people don't hate it as an idea.  Some people see it as a bit cheap because it currently revolves around the Predators having some dominance over the Aliens.  If it wasn't that, it might be regarded more favourably.

As for co-existing in a shared universe - Riddles put paid to that.

I think that mostly stems from the Predator being more of a "person" and the xenomorph being more of an "animal" to use terrestrial analogies. For me, I the two movie franchises are equal footing, which is why I like that we got two crossover films.

[SiL]

I like the idea of AVP. But the AVP films suck.

Wine and soda should never be mixed.

We've been over this.

[SM]

Two.

Alien
AvP and Predator

That makes a lot of sense, and would allow people to still quickly build new stories from the AVP movies despite them being incompatible with Covenant.

The thing is the Alien universe can stand on its own as a larger franchise because it has gigantic stakes (the survival of the human species, and actually of all ecosystems) and significant political entities (Weyland-Yutani, Seegson, etc) as well as a solid continuity.

And with all due respect to all Yautja lovers, it is not the case for the Predator universe. It has no larger stakes (the Predators are just a bunch of dudes hunting down humans sometimes for fun), no significant political entities, and no solid continuity.
Keeping the Aliens in it can only enrich and solidify it.

What is the harm in just letting the two franchises coexist as a shared universe?
The first AVP made money, the 2nd not so much, hence why there hasn't been a 3rd.

I am asking in all honesty, why do Alien fans hate the "idea" of AVP? Is it just the 2 films Alien fans hate?

Most people don't hate it as an idea.  Some people see it as a bit cheap because it currently revolves around the Predators having some dominance over the Aliens.  If it wasn't that, it might be regarded more favourably.

As for co-existing in a shared universe - Riddles put paid to that.

I think that mostly stems from the Predator being more of a "person" and the xenomorph being more of an "animal" to use terrestrial analogies. For me, I the two movie franchises are equal footing, which is why I like that we got two crossover films.

We got two crossover films because the first one was cheap and made money.

[Traveler37]

Two.

Alien
AvP and Predator

That makes a lot of sense, and would allow people to still quickly build new stories from the AVP movies despite them being incompatible with Covenant.

The thing is the Alien universe can stand on its own as a larger franchise because it has gigantic stakes (the survival of the human species, and actually of all ecosystems) and significant political entities (Weyland-Yutani, Seegson, etc) as well as a solid continuity.

And with all due respect to all Yautja lovers, it is not the case for the Predator universe. It has no larger stakes (the Predators are just a bunch of dudes hunting down humans sometimes for fun), no significant political entities, and no solid continuity.
Keeping the Aliens in it can only enrich and solidify it.

What is the harm in just letting the two franchises coexist as a shared universe?
The first AVP made money, the 2nd not so much, hence why there hasn't been a 3rd.

I am asking in all honesty, why do Alien fans hate the "idea" of AVP? Is it just the 2 films Alien fans hate?

Most people don't hate it as an idea.  Some people see it as a bit cheap because it currently revolves around the Predators having some dominance over the Aliens.  If it wasn't that, it might be regarded more favourably.

As for co-existing in a shared universe - Riddles put paid to that.

I think that mostly stems from the Predator being more of a "person" and the xenomorph being more of an "animal" to use terrestrial analogies. For me, I the two movie franchises are equal footing, which is why I like that we got two crossover films.

We got two crossover films because the first one was cheap and made money.

Refresh my memory. After Alien Resurrection, the studio was looking at:
Alien 5, an Elen Ripley spin-off (no xenomorphs), a prequel, and AVP.
The studio decided to go with AVP and wanted Sigourney Weaver to star: Alien 5 / AVP.
When Sigourney backed out, we ended up getting AVP as an Alien prequel.

Am I remembering all of this right?

[SM]

Just before Resurrection came out there was significant buzz to consider an Alien 5 right away.  Critical and box office response knocked that on the head.  So they did nothing till they started looking at AvP. Before they started on that Cameron had been tossing around an Alien 5 story and spoken to Ridley about it, but then they heard AvP was going ahead so it never went anywhere and Jimbo went back to playing in submarines and Riddles continued working on whatever the hell 500 projects he had on the stove.

I never heard there was ever any intent to have Weaver in an AvP film, nor have a Ripley spin-off with no Aliens.