Poll
Question:
What did you think of the prologue?
Option 1: It was great
votes: 58
Option 2: It was kind of good
votes: 46
Option 3: It was what I expected
votes: 13
Option 4: It fell short for me
votes: 16
Option 5: It was not good
votes: 15
https://twitter.com/AlienAnthology/status/834040002656899074
It has begun.
QuoteIntroducing the #AlienCovenant crew. Don't miss @LegionFX on @FXNetworks tomorrow, February 22, for a special sneak peek
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5KXZBeUcAAGX0H.jpg:large)
Nice! ;D
And look who is in there! James Franco. :P
James Franco !
The gang's all here!
Actually, the only one I can't spot is Alexander England.
Aspen beer has been spotted! :P
Heart be still!!! :o
Is anyone here able to record this? It's 10pm Wednesday but I don't know what timezone that is. Can't get on FX's website.
Old skool vibe!
Man I'm loving what I'm seeing there, that Aspen beer, hell yeah!
Is that Shaw second from left??
The two women next to Daniels are Tess Haubrich and Amy Seimetz.
Ok. 8)
Is Franco's character alive then or nor?? ???
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 21, 2017, 02:10:42 PM
Actually, the only one I can't spot is Alexander England.
Isn't he the blond on the left?
Quote from: bobby brown on Feb 21, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Aspen beer has been spotted! :P
Love it! Wonder who threw that in there.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 02:27:48 PM
Is Franco's character alive then or nor?? ???
I believe he's going to show up quite a bit in the viral marketting.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
I believe he's going to show up quite a bit in the viral marketting.
But why if his character has only a minor role... If I understood everything correctly he plays
Spoiler
Branson, a character who unfortunately didn survive the hibernation because of malfunction...
On the photo he is alive, healthy and with his blanket... I m a bit confused...
Is he there just for the sake of group photo or there is more to his character?
Please remember spoiler tags, Enoch.
I've no idea. Additional star power?
Spoiler
Obviously the crew has been out there for a while. I understand the viral footage will be like The Martian. Interviews with the crew, stuff from them prior to setting off, that kind of thing. Obviously he's alive at some point.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
I believe he's going to show up quite a bit in the viral marketting.
But why if his character has only a minor role... If I understood everything correctly he plays
Spoiler
Branson, a character who unfortunately didn survive the hibernation because of malfunction...
No malfunction... From what i heard the ship gets
Spoiler
damaged by some kind of solar thing, and it damages his cryo and he dies/crushed
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
Please remember spoiler tags, Enoch.
Sorry. :P
Quote
I've no idea. Additional star power?
;D :D ;D :laugh:
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 02:35:17 PM
No malfunction... From what i heard the ship gets Spoiler
damaged by some kind osolar thing, and it damages his cryo and he dies/crushed
Thats it...
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
Please remember spoiler tags, Enoch.
Sorry. :P
Quote
I've no idea. Additional star power?
;D :D ;D :laugh:
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 02:35:17 PM
No malfunction... From what i heard the ship gets Spoiler
damaged by some kind osolar thing, and it damages his cryo and he dies/crushed
Thats it...
That's what Sagardoa said.
Legion is tomorrow at 10 pm EST, am I correct?
Thats 3 am by Greenwich mean time.
I don't know what timezone it's going to be. I can't get on the websites to check. Apparently FX doesn't like you if you don't live in America. :D
RidgeTop is going to record and report on this for everyone when it happens. I expect we'll get an official release online at some point though.
Legion Viewing Details
Episode Title: Chapter 1
Date: February 8, 2017
Time: 10:00 P.M. EST
TV Channel: FX
Starring: Dan Stevens, Aubrey Plaza
Thats for the premiere but I presume it applies to other episodes too.
Is this special going to air during one of the commercial breaks or after the episode airs? I have FX and should be able to record this no problem.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:34:41 PM
Please remember spoiler tags, Enoch.
I've no idea. Additional star power?
Spoiler
Obviously the crew has been out there for a while. I understand the viral footage will be like The Martian. Interviews with the crew, stuff from them prior to setting off, that kind of thing. Obviously he's alive at some point.
That is all it is. Added star power to try to get people into the theatre. Nothing wrong with that if it puts asses in seats
Spoiler
beyond the obvious that if he dies first thing in the movie some of those people will be pretty pissed off
.
'Behind the scenes still'? More like 'rendering'! :)
Oh yeah! I thought England was Goran D Kleut at first. So I guess Kleut and Matt Scaletti are the only cast members not introduced yet.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
I believe he's going to show up quite a bit in the viral marketting.
But why if his character has only a minor role... If I understood everything correctly he plays
Spoiler
Branson, a character who unfortunately didn survive the hibernation because of malfunction...
On the photo he is alive, healthy and with his blanket... I m a bit confused...
I think that
Spoiler
Either Kleut or Scaletti get the Cryo death, and Branson gets the Throatburster.
Quote from: Samus007 on Feb 21, 2017, 03:30:12 PM
Is this special going to air during one of the commercial breaks or after the episode airs? I have FX and should be able to record this no problem.
No idea as of yet.
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 21, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Oh yeah! I thought England was Goran D Kleut at first. So I guess Kleut and Matt Scaletti are the only cast members not introduced yet.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
I believe he's going to show up quite a bit in the viral marketting.
But why if his character has only a minor role... If I understood everything correctly he plays
Spoiler
Branson, a character who unfortunately didn survive the hibernation because of malfunction...
On the photo he is alive, healthy and with his blanket... I m a bit confused...
I think that Spoiler
Either Kleut or Scaletti get the Cryo death, and Branson gets the Throatburster.
Spoiler
Uhh, isn't Branson the one who dies in Cryo? That's what the leaks say.
Spoiler
Franco is the one who snuffs it in cryo.
Who said that Goran D Kleut's character is the part of the crew???
Who could he be playing? I don't think he's a Xenomorph. Also not an engineer, since
Spoiler
there are no living engineers in the movie except for the flashback scene which has apparently been cut.
Dont know, we ll see.
He is well known for portrayal of many non-human characters and he is tall.
Quote from: bobby brown on Feb 21, 2017, 02:11:33 PM
Aspen beer has been spotted! :P
And an empty bottle of some kind of whiskey. Jack Daniel's alike ;)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 03:52:09 PM
Spoiler
Franco is the one who snuffs it in cryo.
Spoiler
So I guess he's only here for the promo image. Or maybe it's a photo taken by one of the crew members.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 03:53:02 PM
Who said that Goran D Kleut's character is the part of the crew???
Just a guess of mine. I could be wrong.
I watch Legion it's been very interesting so far. I will record Legion. I have no idea how to get a video of the behind the scenes stuff without just recording it on my phone, and uploading it to my YouTube account....Which I would gladly do if needed.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if its just the pre-recorded clips of Ridley Scott talking about the movie followed by a shortened version of the trailer we already saw. I see these companies do this a lot to be honest. They advertise a sneak peak and then just show the trailer that's already out.....still im glad they are marketing this finally.
Quote from: Richman678 on Feb 21, 2017, 04:35:30 PM
I watch Legion it's been very interesting so far. I will record Legion. I have no idea how to get a video of the behind the scenes stuff without just recording it on my phone, and uploading it to my YouTube account....Which I would gladly do if needed.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if its just the pre-recorded clips of Ridley Scott talking about the movie followed by a shortened version of the trailer we already saw. I see these companies do this a lot to be honest. They advertise a sneak peak and then just show the trailer that's already out.....still im glad they are marketing this finally.
No if they do a trailer then it won't be the red band one, maybe a new one. And yes i am glad also that we are starting to see some movement. 8)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Quote from: Richman678 on Feb 21, 2017, 04:35:30 PM
I watch Legion it's been very interesting so far. I will record Legion. I have no idea how to get a video of the behind the scenes stuff without just recording it on my phone, and uploading it to my YouTube account....Which I would gladly do if needed.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if its just the pre-recorded clips of Ridley Scott talking about the movie followed by a shortened version of the trailer we already saw. I see these companies do this a lot to be honest. They advertise a sneak peak and then just show the trailer that's already out.....still im glad they are marketing this finally.
No if they do a trailer then it won't be the red band one, maybe a new one. And yes i am glad also that we are starting to see some movement. 8)
Probably an edited one with none of the graphic stuff if they show it again, due to tv regulations.
green band trailer?
Awesomeeeee
Unfortunately I don't have FX (Been watching Legion online tho :))
Will there be a link or is it a you miss the airing you miss the preview?
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 21, 2017, 05:03:01 PM
Awesomeeeee
Unfortunately I don't have FX (Been watching Legion online tho :))
Will there be a link or is it a you miss the airing you miss the preview?
They'll probably have it on the official FX site.
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 05:30:07 PM
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208)
So there possibly will be a new trailer?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 02:21:25 PM
Is that Shaw second from left??
no shaw. don't know who she is, but not shaw.
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 21, 2017, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 05:30:07 PM
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208)
So there possibly will be a new trailer?
Considering they're making a deal out of it, I'd expect it to be something new: a new trailer, a bts featurette or the start of the original promotional videos.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 06:04:20 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 21, 2017, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 05:30:07 PM
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834040299810910208)
So there possibly will be a new trailer?
Considering they're making a deal out of it, I'd expect it to be something new: s a new trailer, a bts featurette or the start of the original promotional videos.
3AM, who are working on the marketing of Covenant, just posted this:
https://twitter.com/madeat3am/status/834099709954318336
Wonder if it could be a viral video, with maybe an announcement for a new trailer.
There's also this though:
https://twitter.com/OnePerfectShot/status/834097876796076032
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834100066101186560 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834100066101186560)
Quotelooks like tomorrow's #AlienCovenant sneak peek is a viral piece....
*Added the quote. Hicks.
It's starting finally can you guys feel it!!!!!
Woo Hoo!!!!
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/11u7t453jrQxY4/200w.gif#9)
Love the crew photo - it reminds me of the Alien Isolation crew expendable video game.
Is the Hula Girl doll on the table (drinking bird allusions) something easter eggy and new, or was it already featured elsewhere/somebody already spotted it?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 06:11:39 PM
https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834100066101186560 (https://twitter.com/trailertrack/status/834100066101186560)
Quotelooks like tomorrow's #AlienCovenant sneak peek is a viral piece....
*Added the quote. Hicks.
It's starting finally can you guys feel it!!!!!
Woo Hoo!!!!
https://media1.giphy.com/media/11u7t453jrQxY4/200w.gif#9
What does a viral piece mean?
And, man....i am really addicted to the Predator and Alien franchise. I never had the need to get a fix of movienews like with these 2.
Great work, guys (owners of this site)
Good news! I'm betting on a Franco viral piece.
Ahh... Aspen Beer The crew of the Nostromo Drank this, and now apparently so do the crew of the Covenant.
(https://fsmedia.imgix.net/49/72/8a/2b/fffd/4a7e/9a46/9dcdf29e2617/that-beer-can-sure-does-look-familiar.png?dpr=1.5&auto=format,compress&q=75)
(https://fsmedia.imgix.net/f6/7c/50/f9/3cfa/4b23/91a0/5385c00214e1/dallas-enjoys-some-cool-delicious-rocky-mountain-aspen-beer-before-an-alien-bursts-from-his-crew-m.gif?w=640&auto=format&gifq=35)
So it appears that whenever Aspen Beer is around, nothing good will happen. :laugh:
The Last Supper :)
Maybe the sneak peek could be a viral video or TV spot to tease a full trailer next week in time for Logan's release?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
I believe he's going to show up quite a bit in the viral marketting.
But why if his character has only a minor role... If I understood everything correctly he plays
Spoiler
Branson, a character who unfortunately didn survive the hibernation because of malfunction...
No malfunction... From what i heard the ship gets Spoiler
damaged by some kind of solar thing, and it damages his cryo and he dies/crushed
Spoiler
His hibernation pod catches fire from within and he's burned alive.
What a way. :-\
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Feb 21, 2017, 07:52:29 PM
Maybe the sneak peek could be a viral video or TV spot to tease a full trailer next week in time for Logan's release?
That would make the most sense.
+1 :)
We ll see soon enough... With that viral video, we ll at least get a bit of material for analysis, dissecting, prognosis and discussion. Just enough to keep us "sane" till very anticipated green band trailer finally arrives.
Quote from: El Diablo on Feb 21, 2017, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 21, 2017, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
I believe he's going to show up quite a bit in the viral marketting.
But why if his character has only a minor role... If I understood everything correctly he plays
Spoiler
Branson, a character who unfortunately didn survive the hibernation because of malfunction...
No malfunction... From what i heard the ship gets Spoiler
damaged by some kind of solar thing, and it damages his cryo and he dies/crushed
Spoiler
His hibernation pod catches fire from within and he's burned alive.
J E S U S. That's how you start a film.
that show is a terrible piece of shit, but any publicity is good publicity i guess, is about time they launch the second and final trailer, the release date is very near, otherwise is just bad marketing
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 21, 2017, 07:57:30 PM
What a way. :-\
hehe, is better than nothing i guess, i would prefer a trailer, is about time, also that is a looot of victims in that pic
Total Last Supper vibe...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 21, 2017, 09:08:09 PM
Total Last Supper vibe...
Indeed, but I wonder if that's exactly how we're meant to interpret the image? ???
hmmm 10 PM at night on american tv....
Spoiler
they're going to air the backburster in all of it's glory.
Never heard of legion, then again never watch FX.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 21, 2017, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 21, 2017, 09:08:09 PM
Total Last Supper vibe...
Indeed, but I wonder if that's exactly how we're meant to interpret the image? ???
hmmm 10 PM at night on american tv.... Spoiler
they're going to air the backburster in all of it's glory.
X-Men related show produced by Fox. It's been cross marketed heavily in Canada. I don't get FX so hopefully the clip shows up online quickly.
Quote from: fiveways on Feb 21, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 21, 2017, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 21, 2017, 09:08:09 PM
Total Last Supper vibe...
Indeed, but I wonder if that's exactly how we're meant to interpret the image? ???
hmmm 10 PM at night on american tv.... Spoiler
they're going to air the backburster in all of it's glory.
X-Men related show produced by Fox. It's been cross marketed heavily in Canada. I don't get FX so hopefully the clip shows up online quickly.
Is that so, I guess I was close, I thought it was an Avengers related show. For some reason my mom knew what it is, guess she really wants to watch that Logan movie. Who knew, I sure didn't. :laugh:
Interesting, curious how they'll live up to the previous crew.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c7/4b/e5/c74be5ea44a6eac431ca8875af2b1693.jpg
http://static.srcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Cast-of-James-Camerons-Aliens.jpg
https://cameronricedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/alien_3_disc2182.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/21/00/22D0528800000578-3168847-image-m-63_1437435051419.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5q9wdIWI01qeksb7o1_500.png
This is great. I love the chaos of the set, it looks lived in and real! Also lots of victims for the aliens to have fun with
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Feb 21, 2017, 10:31:54 PM
Interesting, curious how they'll live up to the previous crew.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c7/4b/e5/c74be5ea44a6eac431ca8875af2b1693.jpg
http://static.srcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Cast-of-James-Camerons-Aliens.jpg
https://cameronricedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/alien_3_disc2182.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/21/00/22D0528800000578-3168847-image-m-63_1437435051419.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5q9wdIWI01qeksb7o1_500.png
I love these cast pictures. Pity they never did a complete one for Prometheus or Resurrection.
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 21, 2017, 06:50:54 PM
Is the Hula Girl doll on the table (drinking bird allusions) something easter eggy and new, or was it already featured elsewhere/somebody already spotted it?
The drinking bird has been featured in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 & AVP (possibly more). Don't know about the Hula Girl, though.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/y9EayOkRK1WN2/giphy.gif)
win win for me because I really dig Legion.
Its about time they started ramping up the advertising/viral campaign. I had almost forgotten this movie was coming out!! ;D
It's not clear to me whether they are meant to be 'in character' or not.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 21, 2017, 02:21:25 PM
Is that Shaw second from left??
No its the girl from the trailer, the one who doesnt want to open the door for the other woman.
I think this is just the Covenant crew only.
So 10 pm in the USA will be what time in the uk?
According to this http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_US-NY.aspx we're about 5 hours ahead but I know there's several time zones over there. Sure someone will know for sure.
I think it's going to be 3 or 4am Thursday morning for us. We'll be waking up to it.
Thats correct.
4 for me 3 for you ;D
http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-gmt-converter?qm=1&lid=5,0,792680&h=5&date=2017-2-22&sln=22-23 (http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-gmt-converter?qm=1&lid=5,0,792680&h=5&date=2017-2-22&sln=22-23)
So it's going to be a viral video, right?
I wonder what it'll be about.
Viral about the crew and their initial mission...
Just my presumption.
Why?? Is the internet ablaze with the fact that Franco is in it?? I mean i know he's done some good movies, but sheesh they act like he parted the red sea, or discovered penicillin. :laugh:
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 22, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
Why?? Is the internet ablaze with the fact that Franco is in it?? I mean i know he's done some good movies, but sheesh they act like he parted the red sea, or discovered penicillin. :laugh:
Indeed. My thoughts exactly. I still cant comprehend why is he so special ???
James Franco is awesome. And besides Michael Fassbender the biggest name in the movie, so not really surprised.
Let me put it this way, I m not interested in Franco, more in Branson. If Branson is poorly written, then Franco's presence in this movie and his performance, no matter if good or bad, are utterly insignificant. So, stop with the promotion of actors and begin to promote the characters because thats the "product" we as "consumers" are interested in.
P.S. For this reason alone I cant understand why promoting an actor whose character only has a minor/cameo role???
Alien Anthology Instagram Page posted this Album - "See how it all began"
http://imgur.com/gallery/3ba3l
So I'm living in Europe and approximately what time this TV spot will arrive ?
Time 21:56 PM
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All that blood! :o
Nice pics. and thanks for the heads up Walter. 8)
I think I ll enjoy this movie no matter what :)
Yeah, I reckon we're definitely seeing a sort of prequel viral piece, something like this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wygmxzp6VzY&t=67s
I'll get this posted. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 22, 2017, 06:11:27 PM
Nice pics. and thanks for the heads up Walter. 8)
Your Welcome :)
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Quote from: Enoch on Feb 22, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
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Looks like the shower scene is going for the juggler. That guy must get really f**ked up.
Would be strange to have an ad for Weyland-Yutani that shows their crew getting slaughtered.
"Weyland-Yutani. You'll get an alien bursting out of your back guaranteed!"
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 22, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 22, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
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Looks like the shower scene is going for the juggler.
No, not the juggler! :D
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 22, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 22, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
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Looks like the shower scene is going for the juggler. That guy must get really f**ked up.
*porno music starts playing*
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 22, 2017, 06:43:40 PM
Would be strange to have an ad for Weyland-Yutani that shows their crew getting slaughtered.
"Weyland-Yutani. You'll get an alien bursting out of your back guaranteed!"
Its a recruitment campaign - Come join us - the work is backbreaking - but the pay is good, and there's complimentary cornbread for everyone!
The aftermath images look like the shower scene rather than the Neomorph attack.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Feb 22, 2017, 07:01:14 PM
The aftermath images look like the shower scene rather than the Neomorph attack.
Definitely. Pretty sure that's exactly what we're seeing.
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 22, 2017, 06:59:37 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 22, 2017, 06:43:40 PM
Would be strange to have an ad for Weyland-Yutani that shows their crew getting slaughtered.
"Weyland-Yutani. You'll get an alien bursting out of your back guaranteed!"
Its a recruitment campaign - Come join us - the work is backbreaking - but the pay is good, and there's complimentary cornbread for everyone!
"backbreaking" Aaaaaahh!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 22, 2017, 06:44:37 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 22, 2017, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 22, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQfZgJs3.jpg&hash=391364c393fc86f1812e511cf73c508d4808a55d)
Looks like the shower scene is going for the juggler.
No, not the juggler! :D
Ha! Jugular.
Grrrr i cant see those pics for some reason ??? :-[
They're available on the front page too - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/02/22/20th-century-fox-teases-tonights-alien-covenant-sneak-peak/
The Dippy Birds are back! ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqlsQKzY.jpg&hash=f960ab868197dfa58967cc60d80a3202d4c965c6)
I apologise - I'm bursting to get out this man with 2 brains reference at the sight of the drinking birds:
Pointy Bird O pointy birds, o pointy pointy, Anoint my head, anointy-nointy.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
The Dippy Birds are back! ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqlsQKzY.jpg&hash=f960ab868197dfa58967cc60d80a3202d4c965c6)
Thats cheap.
Wait, so I'm assuming the derelict is how it ended, meaning that Alien: Covenant is how it all began? Meaning Prometheus is the prologue to the beginning. Whatever. Can't wait to see the movie.
Quote from: bobby brown on Feb 22, 2017, 09:13:39 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
The Dippy Birds are back! ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqlsQKzY.jpg&hash=f960ab868197dfa58967cc60d80a3202d4c965c6)
Thats cheap.
How come? They're practically an institution.
Wow, I am so excited. Can't wait for the promo/viral piece or whatever. Maybe a trailer this weekend?
Such a large crew for the Alien to play with :)
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 22, 2017, 09:16:24 PM
Wait, so I'm assuming the derelict is how it ended, meaning that Alien: Covenant is how it all began? Meaning Prometheus is the prologue to the beginning. Whatever. Can't wait to see the movie.
It's more likely referring to the film is how the Covenant's mission ends, this viral will be how the mission starts.
nice touch with the bird in the glass water, i am expecting a very dark, disturbing movie, very serious and terrifyng like the first one
It could also mean this is the beginning of the end of life as we know it because the aliens are finally formed
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 22, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 22, 2017, 09:16:24 PM
Wait, so I'm assuming the derelict is how it ended, meaning that Alien: Covenant is how it all began? Meaning Prometheus is the prologue to the beginning. Whatever. Can't wait to see the movie.
It's more likely referring to the film is how the Covenant's mission ends, this viral will be how the mission starts.
What is referring to how the Covenant's mission ends?
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 22, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
What is referring to how the Covenant's mission ends?
The first 4 stills -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/3.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/4.jpg)
I think, anyway.
So any ideas when this footage is likely to drop?
The show doesn't air for another 4 and a half hours.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
The Dippy Birds are back! ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqlsQKzY.jpg&hash=f960ab868197dfa58967cc60d80a3202d4c965c6)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2Fgiphy2.gif&hash=4e5a54b3196c08b3205b1fc902240317305e5673)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 22, 2017, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 22, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
What is referring to how the Covenant's mission ends?
The first 4 stills -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/3.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/4.jpg)
I think, anyway.
Wait, so they're going to tell us how the mission ended? That would be weird as hell, man.
We know how it ends. In blood and tears and empty corridors.
The dippy bird was definitely McBride's idea. Such a fanboy move.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 22, 2017, 10:22:05 PM
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 22, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
What is referring to how the Covenant's mission ends?
The first 4 stills -
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/3.jpg)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/4.jpg)
I think, anyway.
Ah ok that makes sense. Katherine Waterson is looking good in that photo.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 22, 2017, 10:40:07 PM
We know how it ends. In blood and tears and empty corridors.
So no survivors then.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 22, 2017, 10:42:30 PM
The dippy bird was definitely McBride's idea. Such a fanboy move.
Hula girl more like.
Drinking bird is a staple of the series.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 22, 2017, 10:42:30 PM
The dippy bird was definitely McBride's idea. Such a fanboy move.
But its a fanboy movie done right.
I already know how this ends. ;) They all die.
Hula girl will be the sole survivor.
-Windebieste
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 22, 2017, 10:28:13 PM
http://www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/giphy2.gif
That gif impresses me, considering that was a tracking shot!
It is an impressive .gif, yes.
Dippy Bird, Hula Girl (and that wobbling thing on the Sulacco mess table) should become part of a NECA deluxe accessory pack. ...or maybe 1:1 scale Series 13 action figures in their own right. Accurately modeled and each figure features full articulation, with 1-2 points of movement! Instant Gold!
-Windebieste
they are not gonna show the xebomorphs...thats what I know.... :P
I just realised - in that photo Katherine Waterson looks very much like the female marine who medically checks over Newt when she is first discovered by Ripley in Aliens and gets diagnosed with "borderline malnutrition". Anyone seeing that passing resemblence?
what time is this gonna be? i am getting anxious, i hope they upload it to youtube rigth away
Damn it, this thing airs in a couple of hours but Legion is aired on Pacific time here so it's on a 3 hour delay. Come on A-V-P-Galaxy, old buddy, don't let me down. Don't want to wait 3 hours for the scoop. :P
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2017, 01:05:30 AM
Damn it, this thing airs in a couple of hours but Legion is aired on Pacific time here so it's on a 3 hour delay. Come on A-V-P-Galaxy, old buddy, don't let me down. Don't want to wait 3 hours for the scoop. :P
Life is cruel why should waiting for this be any different! :P
RELEASE THE KRAKEN! No , seriously, any news on this? i am getting impatient lol or can i watch FX live or something? i hope Fox uploads the sneak peek right after showing it
I'm sure someone will post it pretty quickly after it's shown.
I'm about to start it after my fiancƩ finishes this stupid this is us show. As in I'll be starting it in less than 5 minutes
Episode starting now
I'm ready ;D
I was hoping for nudity
holyf**kingshit my body is ready and now i have to go!!!! i cannot watch it right now but iam sure is great, thanks for uploading it
Sorry for the shit quality, but I'm assuming they're going to show more than this during the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDqDHByjncs&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDqDHByjncs&feature=youtu.be)
Wow! I'm loving this! The acting and tone, and the little nods to Alien, and everything. I gotta make a video about this!
That was sooooo weird
Great viral stuff !!! The ship is awesome and the cast everything
Total fan service with this scene. Also it's nice the actors have great chemistry
That choke out and the dialogue just...
Yeah, I've lost hope for the writing.
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 23, 2017, 03:10:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXgRlRao5I
alienlastsupper.com
HOLY f**kING BLOODY SHIT I LOVE IT!!
Is this actual footage that's gonna be in the movie? Or just a tease thing? Acting was good, I loved the setting, the music was AWESOME and it just felt like frickin alien.
I'll withhold judgement but I thought Waterston was good in that little scene. Did Fassbender change his accent for Walter?
Certainly not in the movie. But really pleasant prologue. Love the cast
And a gay couple. Excellent.
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 23, 2017, 03:25:10 AM
I'll withhold judgement but I thought Waterston was good in that little scene. Did Fassbender change his accent for Walter?
Agreed. I think she's going to be great in the film. People are condemning her unfairly for a poorly edited, out of context moment in the trailer.
Haven't had the chance to watch the whole thing, but looks good! Let the marketing commence! :)
Quote from: Stolen on Feb 23, 2017, 03:25:32 AM
Certainly not in the movie. But really pleasant prologue. Love the cast
Ok, so this is like before the movie starts..? I also love the cast.
QuoteThis prologue, titled "Last Supper", was conceived by Ridley Scott and 3AM, directed by Luke Scott, and produced by RSA Films. It introduces the crew of the mission as they gather for a final meal before entering cryosleep.
I loved it, except the choking bit was a lil too on the nose. Otherwise I loved the rest, I really dislike crudup's character.
So this isn't in the film?
Oh thank god.
Usually character development scenes like this get cut. It goes on for way too long for a modern paced movie, as well.
I love the tone and overall vibe. The atmosphere is foreboding, very reminiscent of Alien. Agree the food isnt that bad line was a bit too on the nose but this is fan service, directed toward fanboys and casual fans alike. Im convinced this movie is going to get it right
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
Quote from: Ragonk_Force on Feb 23, 2017, 03:41:16 AM
I love the tone and overall vibe. The atmosphere is foreboding, very reminiscent of Alien. Agree the food isnt that bad line was a bit too on the nose but this is fan service, directed toward fanboys and casual fans alike. Im convinced this movie is going to get it right
I agree, the tone, atmosphere, setting were all perfect and felt total throwback to Alien. Also the visuals were really cool and the ship is awesome.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
That....is a very good question.
So it's not airing in Canada.
Correction: Homosexual. and the answer is obvious-They breed dogs and cats and pets and stuff.
//Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
Quote from: Vermillion on Feb 23, 2017, 03:50:33 AM
So it's not airing in Canada.
There is a link posted to the video at the end of page 9.
Thanks
watching the fat guy with teh cowboy hat die will be a joy
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
Attitudes in the future would almost certainly be completely accepting of same sex couples. Reproduction is probably encouraged but not required of colonist couples, their skill set would likely be of the most consequence to the company. Not to mention genetic science will likely allow for same sex couples to be biological parents before too long.
http://time.com/3748019/same-sex-couples-biological-children/
Interesting to see this shown in a film of the franchise for the first time, after a same sex couple has been featured in the recent comics.
Just watched it twice, i loved it, gonna watch it again now, very very happy with it.
Maybe I've seen too many sci-fi movies with crew introductions like this, but I actually found my attention wandering during that clip. These viral clips don't work for me. I loved The Martian but the virals made me cringe. If they aren't going to put as much effort into the ads as they do the movie, then these ads are doing to movie a disservice. I hope that this scene wasn't written by John Logan, directed by Ridley Scott, edited by Pietro Scalia, etc. Even Fassbender seemed to be phoning this one in. Is his Yank accent getting worse over time, or did they not bother to do any ADR for this clip?
All whining aside, it wasn't terrible, just bland and obvious.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 23, 2017, 04:02:55 AM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
Attitudes in the future would likely be completely accepting of same sex couples. Reproduction is likely encouraged but not required of colonist couples. Not to mention genetic science will likely allow for same sex couples to be biological couples before too long.
http://time.com/3748019/same-sex-couples-biological-children/
I don't feel like reading the article, but are you implying that homosexuals will be able to reproduce in the future?
I liked it. The dialogue and characters felt very natural, moreso than in Prometheus.
Felt a little more forced than natural, but overall I liked it.
The "food ain't that bad" felt akward, it's a prequel bu Ridley Scott, pretty sure we don't need homages.
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 04:05:45 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 23, 2017, 04:02:55 AM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
Attitudes in the future would likely be completely accepting of same sex couples. Reproduction is likely encouraged but not required of colonist couples. Not to mention genetic science will likely allow for same sex couples to be biological couples before too long.
http://time.com/3748019/same-sex-couples-biological-children/
I don't feel like reading the article, but are you implying that homosexuals will be able to reproduce in the future?
I'm not implying that, leading genetic scientists are. I'm no scientist so I'll let them do the implying. Definitely seems plausible though.
The dialogue was bad but everything else was awesome. Walter and Branson were awesome.
And the gay couple. Why not? Yeah it's a colonizing ship, but that doesn't mean...ah never mind.
With a bunch of breeders, a gay couple or two with the requisite skills for the mission is neither here nor there.
I dig.
Fassbenders accent will take a bit of getting used to, though.
who wrote this viral "thingy"?
John Logan.. or Luke Scott himself?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 03:22:22 AM
That choke out and the dialogue just...
Yeah, I've lost hope for the writing.
Seemed fine to me.
I'm totally for a gay couple. I think having one actually makes it more realistic.
Walter isn't as cut and dry as David IMHO. Maybe we will see him do stuff in the movie that make me think otherwise.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
i'm just glad that they're not taking the homophobes.
Yeah, the gay couple was probably Ridley's idea. It's something he'd do. He likes being progressive.
Walter administering essentials is a nice touch. I love stuff like that. The only line of his that sounded weird was "requisite liquid".
QuoteSeemed fine to me.
It's hammy, forced, full of cliches and quotes from Alien, and the fake out is completely unnecessary.
Love it, love it, love it.
Good idea to have a gay couple.
In the clip I posted at the beginning it showed all of those doors closing. I wonder if that piece is from the trailer?
Alright, some more dialogue I found awkward:
"Tennessee can be such a jerk."
"Don't speak so loudly."
"His wife's even drunker."
Jussie's meatloaf line too.
"That was a joke right?"
It all just sounded so weird. Yuck.
Just read that this was improvised by the actors and Luke Scott.
any confirmation, denial?
McBride's 'It's just an empty sea of nothing's line was trite. Hello, pragmatic pilot with no appreciation for the poetry of the moment who only sees the world for what's right in front of him.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 23, 2017, 04:23:58 AM
In the clip I posted at the beginning it showed all of those doors closing. I wonder if that piece is from the trailer?
What was that clip you posted? It certainly wasn't shown in the prologue.
This not being in the movie does factor in to me not disliking it more. Based on this alone, I can't tell if I like or hate any of the characters. It's just extended banter. Walter did not feel any different from David here. Visually, it looks and feels just like Prometheus, yet that isn't fully indicative of the actual film.
Being as it is, with this the only thing to equate, I hope the actual dialogue in A:C is devoid of any hamfisted references whatsoever.
alien is back !!
Yeah, a lot of the dialogue was cliched and it did get a little sappy at the end because of the music, but the toast was cool. I thought the choke was funny.
"Down the wrong pipe."
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 04:28:05 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 23, 2017, 04:23:58 AM
In the clip I posted at the beginning it showed all of those doors closing. I wonder if that piece is from the trailer?
What was that clip you posted? It certainly wasn't shown in the prologue.
That was from a commercial during the
Legion premiere.
*Embedded the video. Hicks.
Of course Michael Fassbender smiles last...
McBride killed the rhythm though with "That was a joke right?" right after the "I got your back."
Womp womp woooooomp.
Quote from: dallevalle on Feb 23, 2017, 04:32:20 AM
alien is back !!
Damn right.
I don't get where all the angst is coming from. This isn't meant to be high-art film, it's an alien movie. Loaded with working class folks. Hell the dialog even appeared to be ab-lived. You know what, it's fine. The clip's job is to advertised "hey this is alien with a capital A folks".
About the gay couple, clearly there is no discrimination in the future. Also the crew is on a one way mission so more than not it's take the one you love with yea or never see them again. With all of the hibernating people and embryos on board, it honestly doesn't matter what the crew's make up is. If that's the case, why bring the robot. Although, where is the lesbian couple?
Oh and the choke out was funny, it was obviously a pun on alien. Have fun guys.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 04:17:05 AM
Yeah, the gay couple was probably Ridley's idea. It's something he'd do. He likes being progressive.
Walter administering essentials is a nice touch. I love stuff like that. The only line of his that sounded weird was "requisite liquid".
He suggested that the Nostromo crew weren't necessarily all hetero.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 04:27:21 AM
McBride's 'It's just an empty sea of nothing's line was trite. Hello, pragmatic pilot with no appreciation for the poetry of the moment who only sees the world for what's right in front of him.
We get it. You don't like the guy. You're basically Billy Crudup's character.
Did anyone notice how Rigby doesn't seem to have a spouse?
Only single guy in the crew.....I'm sure he'll make it.
Maybe Tess. Maybe in crysosleep.
I think Tess is with Alexander. They were pretty close together in the promo image.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...
Maybe he's a pansexual gender fluid.
.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!
That.
Was.
Really.
f**king.
Good!!!!!!
And he even used my favorite Lamp-light edit trick with the flashlight!!! I do that a lot in my own shorts!!! This looks good. I actually already like the characters and the tone and everything. My faith has been restored!!! This is a Ridley Scott ALIEN film!
Quote from: skhellter on Feb 23, 2017, 04:16:18 AM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
i'm just glad that they're not taking the homophobes.
HAHA!!!
Ridley Scott has said a few times that he thinks traditional relationships wouldn't make sense in space and because of the length of space travel the normal hetero/homo relationship standards wouldn't apply much in the same way they dont in prison accept, that it would be socially acceptable.
Intriguing.
What was the song in the background before the girl started choking?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 03:22:22 AM
That choke out and the dialogue just...
Yeah, I've lost hope for the writing.
I kinda agree, even if it was just improv they think that is good enough for public consumption leads me to think a lot of it will be just like this.
I have the feeling I'm not going to enjoy this movie at all. That intro endeared me to zero of the characters (I hate movies where I end up cheering for the monster, it makes me feel like a terrible person). Entire bit felt really forced. I'll watch it again in the morning. So far, though, where every TV spot for Prometheus made more and more excited, each reveal for covenant leaves me kinda not caring more and more.
What is with the beeyatch? She complains about everything.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 23, 2017, 05:12:45 AM
.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!
That.
Was.
Really.
f**king.
Good!!!!!!
Pretty much my thoughts. :)
And he even used my favorite Lamp-light edit trick with the flashlight!!! I do that a lot in my own shorts!!! This looks good. I actually already like the characters and the tone and everything. My faith has been restored!!! This is a Ridley Scott ALIEN film!
Quote from: skhellter on Feb 23, 2017, 04:16:18 AM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
i'm just glad that they're not taking the homophobes.
HAHA!!!
Ridley Scott has said a few times that he thinks traditional relationships wouldn't make sense in space and because of the length of space travel the normal hetero/homo relationship standards wouldn't apply much in the same way they dont in prison accept, that it would be socially acceptable.
Well, if you sotp and think about it, these guys are literally going to a new world, to make their own society. You could make the missionary argument, like the Bene Gessirit witches, in Dune, but I' mnot getting that vibe. Space hippies. Free love.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 23, 2017, 05:12:45 AM
.... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!
That.
Was.
Really.
f**king.
Good!!!!!!
And he even used my favorite Lamp-light edit trick with the flashlight!!! I do that a lot in my own shorts!!! This looks good. I actually already like the characters and the tone and everything. My faith has been restored!!! This is a Ridley Scott ALIEN film!
Quote from: skhellter on Feb 23, 2017, 04:16:18 AM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
i'm just glad that they're not taking the homophobes.
HAHA!!!
Ridley Scott has said a few times that he thinks traditional relationships wouldn't make sense in space and because of the length of space travel the normal hetero/homo relationship standards wouldn't apply much in the same way they dont in prison accept, that it would be socially acceptable.
Lamp light trick?
I think he's talking about the edit between the ship's engine lights and how it cuts to Walter holding the lamp light examining Daniel's eyes.
Ah. Thank you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlbJ8GGaYnI&t=3s
Did a video giving my thoughts on the viral.
Super this little extract. I really felt an alchemy between the characters. The dialogues sounded really good and natural.
Stop complaining guys :(
It's just a viral video! And it is a very good way to promote without unveiling great moments.
I think the editing was a bit choppy but I loved the performances and the tonal shifts worked very well.
My faith has been, thus far, restored.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
1. The crew don't actually do the colonizing. They dont land on a planet and just start f**king lol. They are carrying embryos of some sort.
2. Their skills get them put on the mission. Not their sexuality. Having qualified couples could be like an experiment at the time by WY to reduce stress for the crew or something. Not having to leave someone at home for years on end.
3. Someone's gotta decorate these planets. ;D
Reminds me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9UPrFKDbKA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9UPrFKDbKA)
But it's much better for Covenant!
You saw the interior of the ship, the lighting? wow superb work!
I had fun with it, McBride killed it ;D
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Feb 23, 2017, 06:45:28 AM
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Why would they take a gay couple in this kind of trip?
1. The crew don't actually do the colonizing. They dont land on a planet and just start f**king lol. They are carrying embryos of some sort.
2. Their skills get them put on the mission. Not their sexuality. Having qualified couples could be like an experiment at the time by WY to reduce stress for the crew or something. Not having to leave someone at home for years on end.
3. Someone's gotta decorate these planets. ;D
I brought up the topic of the lack of LGBT characters in sci-fi ages ago. Its like the world of sports. I just hope they aren't token LGBT characters in the movie and don't get offed straight away but stick around like Parker and Ripley did in Alien, at a time when female or black didn't usually get very far in the average sci-fi movie.
But anyway... I'm soooo loving this viral. This is what we missed in Prometheus. Some kind of character introductions that will make you want to "root for" the characters.
Loved the relatable boss/subordinate dynamics, loved the choking, loved the dippy birds, the I've got your back cheesy line. Loved the slightly bubbling under the surface office politics/bitchiness between coworkers. Loved pretty much every freaking second of it. The only thing I don't really love, is if the character introductions and dynamics don't carry through and develop into the main movie. Hopefully this is a longer cut of a brief scene that might make it into the movie.
Did anyone else notice that the background score near Daniels' speech is a bit reminiscent of the melodic tic-toc tones from Interstellar (tesseract scene)?
Bring it on. I really want to see this movie now.
Thought that was excellent! Can relax now and look forward to the film.
it looks good but i tought this was a scene from the movie
That scene was great. The cast has really incredible chemistry together except for Crudup's character... but that seems to be part of his character and no so much Billy's fault cause he's usually great in everything I've seen him in.
I would take it so far as saying Crudup's character was quite an ass in this prologue... I hope he makes up for it... BUT from the looks of the trailer we got a while back he will be one of the first to go.
So Franco and Waterson's characters are together and from what has been "spoiled" Franco's Jake dies early on and Crudup's character becomes the new captain?
At first I thought it was strange that they would have a gay couple on because of the nature of the mission but then I thought, those two might have genius level intellect or even be part of the security detail for the colony or some other skill vital to the mission.
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 23, 2017, 06:41:21 AM
I think the editing was a bit choppy but I loved the performances and the tonal shifts worked very well.
My faith has been, thus far, restored.
i tought this was a sneak peak from a full scnee in the movie, it is a little strange if this is just a different thing
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 03:22:22 AM
That choke out and the dialogue just...
Yeah, I've lost hope for the writing.
we know that girls wasnt impregnated by a facehugger, so that fake out doesnt make much sense to me other than a nod to Alien, it seems the movie will be very similar to Prometheus in tone and style with a touch of the first Alien
I thought that was great and I loved the way they have already shown the frailties in Cudrup's character which will more than likely explain the bad decisions made in the film and it also sheds some light on that trailer scene with him and Daniels. Walter was great too.
Quote from: Stolen on Feb 23, 2017, 03:32:40 AM
QuoteThis prologue, titled "Last Supper", was conceived by Ridley Scott and 3AM, directed by Luke Scott, and produced by RSA Films. It introduces the crew of the mission as they gather for a final meal before entering cryosleep.
so the movie is a totally different thing, i feel like this was a wasted chance for a new trailer instead of this
Anyone catch the "Alien" reference when shes choking? ;D ;D ;D
Reading through some comments just make you think people will complain about anything lol.
Great ship. Great chemistry. Decent performances and the writing aint bad. Alot better than what was leaving Rapace and co's jaws in Prometheus.
The choke scene was good along with Tennesse's line that everyone's having a shit fit over. Was a cheeky and funny nod to the most iconic scene in Alien and he obviously had good old Mr Hurt (RIP) in mind with the scene (who I still think will get a dedication in the credits). I think Crudup's character is gonna go full Gorman except instead of a late redemption he gets a familiar looking parasite stuck to his face :P Walter having a different accent to seperate him from David was a nice touch to.
Also people saying "Its okay! Just a viral. Not in the movie!".
Why wouldn't it be? I hope it is. For one it explains the lead up to why Franco's character SPOILER...
Spoiler
dies earlier in the movie.
It's also a climps into the relationships on board.
Both this and the trailer have me excited.
Quote from: DorkiDori on Feb 23, 2017, 07:37:33 AM
Anyone catch the "Alien" reference when shes choking? ;D ;D ;D
Pure coincidence, surely.
That was great!
Pleasantly surprised there's a gay couple.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 23, 2017, 08:05:08 AM
That was great!
Pleasantly surprised there's a gay couple.
I liked that, but doesn't make sense for them to get on a 'colonization' style ship though... two blokes can't procreate :D
Still, good chuckle.
^ Colonising another planet doesn't just mean procreating, they obviously serve a different purpose.
The chemistry is great.
I liked it. The camaraderie around the table definitely recalls Alien and Aliens.
Fakeburster was a bit on the nose but I'm fine with it as it's just in the promotion and not in the actual film.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 23, 2017, 08:25:52 AM
^ Colonising another planet doesn't just mean procreating, they obviously serve a different purpose.
The chemistry is great.
lol i was joking dude, but still it was an awesome scene.
I really liked it.
The casting, judging solely by this clip, appears to be spot on. Katherine Waterston has this bashful, quirky tone going on. I think I'm sold on her. She seemed a bit stiff in some of her interviews which is all I really know her from, so I was a bit concerned. I love Danny McBride, I know he's gonna be a standout. I love James Franco too, I'll say ingenious for lack of a better word, but it's ingenious if they ramp up his presence in the virals only for his movie appearance to be cut short. Will give Daniels some weight as well as Crudrup. Fassbender was solid.
Likeable cast in my eyes!
The look of foreboding on the face of the girl before she chokes was giving me a Lambert moment of foreboding. Its probably early realization she is about to choke, but it would be intereating if she is the superstitious one.
With regards to the joking/half-joking comments about not making sense to take non-heterosexual couples on a colonisation mission, again I'll repeat...
You cannot, CANNOT have bio-exclusivity in space colonization - its way too risky. You need every possible (cream of the crop) variant of humanity to be on that arc. A full socio/sexual/DNA melting pot so that IF disease or foreign bacteria threatens the crew it doesn't wipe out everyone "samey" (genetically and mentally) all at once in one fell swoop. Holders of the "right" combination of DNA and genes, switched on/off (dormant) get to survive through it. This goes for frozen embryos as well as living crew members.
Didn't like it much, looks like everyone's a Milburn. And speaking of "on the nose" - a figure of speech that seems to have been popularized by Sir RS recently - I'm getting really irritated with all the unnecessary nose touching in these movies. Bear with me: Milburn does this stupid nose thing during the briefing in Prometheus, someone does it in the trailer and McBride does it here. It seems to be Alien movie shorthand for "casual guy" or something. Drives me nuts. Yeah I'm a hater.
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 04:01:34 AM
watching the fat guy with teh cowboy hat die will be a joy
Can't wait to see them all die, crew seems as dumb as those on the Prometheus...Walter seems boring, not interesting like David.
Come to think of it, David was the only character I liked in Prometheus. Only reason I want to see Shaw is to see where the journey took her..
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 23, 2017, 08:48:25 AMCan't wait to see them all die, crew seems as dumb as those on the Prometheus...Walter seems boring, not interesting like David.
:laugh: Wut.
YES YES YES!!!!
THE aesthetic of the film just screams Alien movie.....I'm so excited for this!
I like the fact they are introducing the characters of the film but a little disappointed to read it's not a part of the film....surely you need to introduce these characters as they have here in the main film...and not just expect the viewer to have watched this to know who they are?!
Either way I enjoyed this and CAN NOT WAIT till May!!!
Props on the use off LGBT characters too :)
Thought it was OK, certainly not what we were hoping for though, no meat on the bones.
In the case of McBride's nose touching - I think that at least could be an unconscious visual tell when he lies to his boss.
Whilst the clip gives away relatively little, the real take away from the teaser is the overall tone. If this is reflective of the film as a whole, I think Covenant will feel more 'real' and grounded, less high concept than Prometheus. I just hope they had a good script... because the tone seems spot on.
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 23, 2017, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 04:01:34 AM
watching the fat guy with teh cowboy hat die will be a joy
Can't wait to see them all die, crew seems as dumb as those on the Prometheus...Walter seems boring, not interesting like David.
Dumb because ? Few jokes?
So the sulaco crew is dumb i guess ..
This is just a remake/re-hash of the breakfast scene in Alien and as with all remakes, it sucks. Stiff acting, audience winking crap. What's new, whats better? Nothing.
Is it possible to move the poll from the locked thread to this one.... I mean that was a legitimate reason to open another thread.
There you go.
Better quality of the sneak peak. Thanks to RidgeTop.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 09:13:48 AM
There you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QjnYFYWmxo
Better quality of the sneak peak. Thanks to RidgeTop.
Thanks guys!
I thought the video was excellent. I don't really care about the crummy dialog, these people are f'n drunk. I mean come on. :laugh:
They're all gonna die.
To be honest, they sounded like a bunch of guys getting drunk and having a laugh. Nothing about it stood out as wrong for what was going on. I don't get the beef.
Surprisingly thought it was ok.
Quote from: Stolen on Feb 23, 2017, 09:02:03 AM
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 23, 2017, 08:48:25 AM
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 04:01:34 AM
watching the fat guy with teh cowboy hat die will be a joy
Can't wait to see them all die, crew seems as dumb as those on the Prometheus...Walter seems boring, not interesting like David.
Dumb because ? Few jokes?
So the sulaco crew is dumb i guess ..
Crew on alien seemed natural, not forced behavior, the covenant crew was cringy...
I'm feeling very positive after seeing that. I liked the characters and their interaction - a big improvement on Prometheus IMO.
Looking across social media there seems to be a good overall reaction to this as well.
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 23, 2017, 09:44:51 AMCrew on alien seemed natural, not forced behavior, the covenant crew was cringy...
Seemed like a bunch of guys having a few beers to me.
it did nothing to me. also, each to their own, but i can't place having homosexuals aboard a colony ship. you want to 'colonize' a planet. that doesn't go with 2 gay people. simple as that.
don't understand why james franco parts so fast, and dont get why they cant party without him knowing/approving.
also, the choking scene was bad. a literal copy of 'the food ain't that bad' from alien is not done imho, it's really lousy from ridley's part even.
no i did not enjoy it. i didnt hate it either. it was absolutely nothing.
I don't get why people are getting so hung up on a homosexual couple.
If you're trying to colonise a planet, a dozen people isn't going to cut it anyway. You'd have to have an unhealthy amount of inbreeding to generate a sustainable population. Saying 12 people is enough to start a long-term colony is way more dumb than two of them being gay.
I'd assumed they have some other means of populating the planet on board. Either viable embryos or other people in stasis.
There's plenty of colonists and embryos in cryos-storage in the Covenant. I think these guys are just our specialists. Waterston explained that Daniels was the expert who operated all the terraforming technology.
But yeah, it's a complete non-issue. It's inline with Ridley's vision of a much more sexually free future and it's not unusual now.
References to original chestbuster scene are retarded and dumb
hey, are you guys going to do a podcast on this video? would love to hear you guys discuss it? cheers
Quote from: DorkiDori on Feb 23, 2017, 07:37:33 AM
Anyone catch the "Alien" reference when shes choking? ;D ;D ;D
Ahha ....
Also earlier in the piece the chick talking about rumours of large cockroaches ... sorry didn't pick the exact lines ... but indicates this happens perhaps later in the timeline than expected?
Voted it fell short for me. Many cons: fakeburster, forced dialogue, James Franco seems out of place (seems miscast to me), and the fat guy with the hat seems like an asshole whose only reason for being on the ship is so that the audience has something to look forward to. None of the characters had any real defining traits and they're all interchangeable.
Also, I'm just going to say it: Katherine Waterston looks like a boy with that stupid short haircut that's too long to be a pixie cut and too short to be a bob, and that triggers me. And I'm glad to see that of the greatest members of the human race, the best ones fit to colonise an entirely new planet includes an alcoholic couple. This prologue was pretty dumb, although I'll give the movie a chance.
Also, what's with the ham-fisted religious symbolism? "Covenant"? "Last Supper"? "Paradise Lost"? Does Scott have some sort of God complex?
Yea non-issue. It's no different than a pair of old folks. For all we know it was probably hard enough to get enough "qualified" suckers to go on this fools mission.
Yea were those large cockroaches the size of a poodle or a donkey, couldn't really make it out.
Quote from: Olde on Feb 23, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
Also, I'm just going to say it: Katherine Waterston looks like a boy with that stupid short haircut that's too long to be a pixie cut and too short to be a bob, and that triggers me. And I'm glad to see that of the greatest members of the human race, the best ones fit to colonise an entirely new planet includes an alcoholic couple. This prologue was pretty dumb, although I'll give the movie a chance.
Also, what's with the ham-fisted religious symbolism? "Covenant"? "Last Supper"? "Paradise Lost"? Does Scott have some sort of God complex?
Just the best of best of the suckers they could find. Also she does look like a boy.... thought the same thing about Ripley too. Manly lady. Although to be honest, that's the kind of women I'd want raising my kids. Ain't gonna take shit from anyone, especially a murderous, monstrous alien. And no shit, spoiler alert, Ridley's going to be god in the sequel. :P
This movie will be good. I m sure.
People complain about the dialogue, they say its cliched, and what is not cliched? Look around, your own lives are f**king repetitions. Watching a new day through another lenses doesn't mean that the day is not the same as the last one. This is a promotional video and in that sense a fakeburster scene is pretty sensible, and I like it for what it was. Chemistry pretty natural, but some said all the character seemed like from reality show, again I don't know whats the point of such constatation. Love Michael Fassbinder in this; ultimately this movie is about two robots, and that's what I m looking forward to see. We know almost everyone will die in this movie, and people repeat themselves saying how they revealed too much... For Gods sake, everyone knew 90% of the crew will die in this movie, we knew that even before the script was written. Deaths of human characters is not the main point of the alien movie. Its something inevitable. David's and Walter's story on the other hand is something different... The story of few strongest from the Covenant crew , David's hidden agenda and his perception of creations is something this movie will explore. Who is about to die at the end is not of great importance.
THEY WON'T LIVE, BUT THEN AGAIN WHO DOES?
Was it as good for you guys as it was for me!!!!!!
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I m pretty satisfied with this. :)
I don't think it's great, but as far as a viral piece, it works just fine. It mostly seems improvised and it's a smart idea to have this available since I think we can guarantee when the movie begins, everyone will already be in cryosleep. Ridley's not one to waste time introducing us to characters or giving them backgrounds so this fills that void in advance of the film's release.
Indeed. Great thing to fill the void even before the movie is out.
I think its a smart move.
P.S. This "viral" prologue was conceived by Ridley Scott and 3AM, directed by Luke Scott, and produced by RSA Films.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:05:41 AM
Indeed. Great thing to fill the void even before the movie is out.
I think its a smart move.
P.S. This "viral" prologue was conceived by Ridley Scott and 3AM, directed by Luke Scott, and produced by RSA Films.
It was indeed a great way to show the moments before the film starts, and Luke Scott? Not bad i forsee he will take up the mantle for his father, and maybe direct the next one while he supervises. and if it's good then he may start a whole new direction for the franchise, and silence Cameron's jealous mouth. ;) :laugh:
If I remember rightly, Luke also directed Prometheus' TED Talk. Can't remember about the others though.
Yes, Luke directed TED talk.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:14:18 AM
If I remember rightly, Luke also directed Prometheus' TED Talk. Can't remember about the others though.
Nice. My body is ready for more. 8)
I did not enjoy the prologue or the trailer. hoping tge actual finished product is good.
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
We can conclude that the majority liked the trailer and prologue.
What can I say... new times bring new things.
"When you can not change the world, change yourself. ;D
Just kidding.
As far as I know, today is the year of our Lord 2017
and to expect the same things that Alien from 1979 gave us, is not quite reasonable.
Atmosphere and vibes are something that you can reproduce and have in this one, but with new
audiences come new things, new expectations and new kind of movies (or they are all the same :))...
Am i the only one wondering whats wrong with Franco? :D
The quality of thise scene is really good, Ridley really is a master at visuals, and its just inside the Covenant.
I can eat 5 of these Ridley movies without complaining.
Good build up, a sci fi needs this human relations feel.
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
Glad you pointed that! ;)
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
Yep!!
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441 (https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441)
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QuoteGuys, I think Ridley might be doing the subtle Space Jesus thing again #AlienCovenant pic.twitter.com/MQ73oZlVRS
That was actually the best crew introduction scene since Aliens. You get a good sense of everyone. Its a shame its not actually gonna be in the movie
Also i like how Fassbender has differenciated the voices of Walter and David
Quote from: T Dog on Feb 23, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
I did not enjoy the prologue or the trailer. hoping tge actual finished product is good.
Im curious, what is it you didnt like about the trailer and the last supper?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 23, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
Yep!!
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441 (https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441)
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GREAT! Its obvious, isnt it?
Spoiler
And he ll burn... What an irony....
Oh, Ridley, what are you doing there? :)
Hahaha! Amazing. ;D
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
Now that you mention it, I think Judas was the guy bitching about Tennessee's drinking and then getting cut off by Daniels speech. He's even in the right spot when she cut him off.
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: T Dog on Feb 23, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
I did not enjoy the prologue or the trailer. hoping tge actual finished product is good.
Im curious, what is it you didnt like about the trailer and the last supper?
The trailer - soooooooo many spoilers and it just looked like Prometheus again aesthetically.
Prologue - super choppy editing. Didn't dig the dialogue. Seemed like actual movie scenes interspersed with improv. Dont like that Danny McBrides first impression was him doing his usual thing (which i love, but not in Alien). The ship looked awesome at the start though.
I actually really liked McBride's bits and the look of his character in the trailer. I especially loved how putting on the hat meant it was party time :laugh:
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2017, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
Now that you mention it, I think Judas was the guy bitching about Tennessee's drinking and then getting cut off by Daniels speech. He's even in the right stop when she cut him off.
Totally agree, Crudup is actually the type of actor to play such character! ;) :)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:41:45 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2017, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
Now that you mention it, I think Judas was the guy bitching about Tennessee's drinking and then getting cut off by Daniels speech. He's even in the right stop when she cut him off.
Totally agree, Crudup is actually the type of actor to play such character! ;) :)
Ha. Guess we all know who kills Captain Jesus now. :laugh:
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:41:45 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2017, 11:39:26 AM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
Now that you mention it, I think Judas was the guy bitching about Tennessee's drinking and then getting cut off by Daniels speech. He's even in the right stop when she cut him off.
Totally agree, Crudup is actually the type of actor to play such character! ;) :)
Well we see he's been led by Walter to the Egg chamber in the Trailer so I wonder what they would both be doing there alone?
Quote from: T Dog on Feb 23, 2017, 11:39:51 AM
The trailer - soooooooo many spoilers and it just looked like Prometheus again aesthetically.
Prologue - super choppy editing. Didn't dig the dialogue. Seemed like actual movie scenes interspersed with improv. Dont like that Danny McBrides first impression was him doing his usual thing (which i love, but not in Alien). The ship looked awesome at the start though.
Character deaths are not spoiler, not in ALIEN movie!!! You should have learned that after 4 alien movies ;) :D
So, deaths are not spoilers, I mean that seriously. They didn not reveal a single spoiler in trailer!!!
Regarding the Prologue, everyone has the right to personal opinions, but I total disagree with you.
Quote from: T Dog on Feb 23, 2017, 11:39:51 AM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: T Dog on Feb 23, 2017, 11:20:24 AM
I did not enjoy the prologue or the trailer. hoping tge actual finished product is good.
Im curious, what is it you didnt like about the trailer and the last supper?
The trailer - soooooooo many spoilers and it just looked like Prometheus again aesthetically.
Prologue - super choppy editing. Didn't dig the dialogue. Seemed like actual movie scenes interspersed with improv. Dont like that Danny McBrides first impression was him doing his usual thing (which i love, but not in Alien). The ship looked awesome at the start though.
Ok to each its own i guess.
Although i disliked the fact that Prometheus didnt deliver what it should, it still is a beautiful movie and one of my guilty pleasures.
So i dont mind the look at all.
And Ridley needs to deliver with Covenant, so if he doesnt, its just bye bye Alien franchise, so this movie is kinda important.
And McBrides line"im gonna colonise over the table" is already one epic line for me LoL
But lets hope the final product will deliver!!
Quoteim gonna colonise over the table
:D :D ;D
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 11:47:11 AMAlthough i disliked the fact that Prometheus didnt deliver what it should, it still is a beautiful movie and one of my guilty pleasures.
Of all the things wrong with
Prometheus, the visuals were certainly not among them.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: T Dog on Feb 23, 2017, 11:39:51 AM
The trailer - soooooooo many spoilers and it just looked like Prometheus again aesthetically.
Prologue - super choppy editing. Didn't dig the dialogue. Seemed like actual movie scenes interspersed with improv. Dont like that Danny McBrides first impression was him doing his usual thing (which i love, but not in Alien). The ship looked awesome at the start though.
Character deaths are not spoiler, not in ALIEN movie!!! You should have learned that after 4 alien movies ;) :D
So, deaths are not spoilers, I mean that seriously. They didn not reveal a single spoiler in trailer!!!
Regarding the Prologue, everyone has the right to personal opinions, but I total disagree with you.
Of course deaths are spoilers. Obviously ppl will die. But showing in the trailer when they die is a spoiler. Like it shows who is backbursting (although cant tell which actor it was haha). Also showed Crudup being facehugged! WHY DID I NEED TO KNOW THAT???? I didnt, its that simple
Indeed. Yeah, it's a granted many will die but showing how they die are most certainly spoilers.
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Core of the storyline is spoiler for me personally.
At least we dont know who ll survive :laugh:
Quote from: liamatkin on Feb 23, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
hey, are you guys going to do a podcast on this video? would love to hear you guys discuss it? cheers
I should think so! Gotta get something scheduled in.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
Core of the story line is spoiler for me personally.
At least we dont know who ll survive :laugh:
It's the details that are spoilers.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
It's the details that are spoilers.
Or the whole movie in this case ;D :D
But I blame my impatience only... Maye the leaks
are not fully correct, we dont know what is altered after
reshoots.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:56:45 AM
It's the details that are spoilers.
Or the whole movie in this case ;D :D
But I blame my impatience only... Maye the leaks
are not fully correct, we dont know what is altered after
reshoots.
And how many times have i said this. ;) :laugh:
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Not sure where you get this idea that the characters are aware of the last supper reference made by the director,
that would mean they or Franco is breaking the fourth wall, and he aint no Deadpool.
So or i am missing something or you are getting it wrong, the last supper is a reference to a bibicle thing, its portraited like this in the movie/prolog.
We don't actually know if the captain is face hugged... the hugger might actually miss or hell maybe Walter captures the thing with his lightning fast reflexes and then it is the Judas guy that betrays Captain Jesus by letting the hugger loose on the ship.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:07 AM
Indeed. Yeah, it's a granted many will die but showing how they die are most certainly spoilers.
Theres a fan edit of the trailer out there where theyve removed all the spoils and the trailer plays much more powerfully.
The franchise is between a rock and a hard place. Everybody knows its the last hurrah. Fox know they gotta push the Alienness.....they just went about it poorly and unsubtley in that first trailer. Honestly it played like one of those week before release trailers they do before a horror movie comes out and they havent a f**k left to give. It was so far away from being a teaser trailer. Anyway my hype is low so i can only be pleasantly surprised......hopefully.
Very nice. This movie is going to be fun! :)
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:49 PM
We don't actually know if the captain is face hugged... the hugger might actually miss or hell maybe Walter captures the thing with his lightning fast reflexes and then it is the Judas guy that betrays Captain Jesus by letting the hugger loose on the ship.
Indeed. It may be like that.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:49 PM
We don't actually know if the captain is face hugged... the hugger might actually miss or hell maybe Walter captures the thing with his lightning fast reflexes and then it is the Judas guy that betrays Captain Jesus by letting the hugger loose on the ship.
Actually wrong on both counts.
Spoiler
He does get facehugged, but not impregnated as the others attempt to remove it and that's how he dies.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:07 AMIndeed. Yeah, it's a granted many will die but showing how they die are most certainly spoilers.
To be fair though, we can't tell who's backbursting, and I didn't even know it was Cruddup being hugged until someone on here over-analysed it and spoiled it for me :P
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Not sure where you get this idea that the characters are aware of the last supper reference made by the director,
that would mean they or Franco is breaking the fourth wall, and he aint no Deadpool.
So or i am missing something or you are getting it wrong, the last supper is a reference to a bibicle thing, its portraited like this in the movie/prolog.
Huh? Where did I say anything about the characters knowing about the director's last supper references??? That would be insane in any movie that isn't Deadpool. I'm saying that the clip is dropping hints to the audience. Very big ones.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 23, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
Yep!!
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441 (https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5WA0oNWIAA7hrb.jpg:large
GREAT! Its obvious, isnt it?
Spoiler
And he ll burn... What an irony....
Please use spoiler tags.
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Not sure where you get this idea that the characters are aware of the last supper reference made by the director,
that would mean they or Franco is breaking the fourth wall, and he aint no Deadpool.
So or i am missing something or you are getting it wrong, the last supper is a reference to a bibicle thing, its portraited like this in the movie/prolog.
Huh? Where did I say anything about the characters knowing about the director's last supper references??? That would be insane in any movie that isn't Deadpool. I'm saying that the clip is dropping hints to the audience. Very big ones.
I really dont understand anything you are saying at the moment.
I pass this on to someone who likes puzzles
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Not sure where you get this idea that the characters are aware of the last supper reference made by the director,
that would mean they or Franco is breaking the fourth wall, and he aint no Deadpool.
So or i am missing something or you are getting it wrong, the last supper is a reference to a bibicle thing, its portraited like this in the movie/prolog.
Huh? Where did I say anything about the characters knowing about the director's last supper references??? That would be insane in any movie that isn't Deadpool. I'm saying that the clip is dropping hints to the audience. Very big ones.
I really dont understand anything you are saying at the moment.
I pass this on to someone who likes puzzles
Or maybe someone with basic English comprehension skills?
Quote from: John Doe on Feb 23, 2017, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 23, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
Yep!!
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441 (https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5WA0oNWIAA7hrb.jpg:large
GREAT! Its obvious, isnt it?
Spoiler
And he ll burn... What an irony....
Please use spoiler tags.
He himself said that he is burning... :)
You guys noticed what they just showed us...
Ejogo (using actor names) is speaking about Mcbride's wife, she is telling to Crudup that she is a drunkard etc. You can feel some kind of contempt in Crudup's and Ejogo's characters. And then bam, movie starts after some perion in hibernation... Something is violently bursting through someones spine and Ejogo is traped in the room, and who is the person on the other side of the door not letting Ejogo out - Mcbride's wife! :) Character study is always better to watch than sheer action and naked horror. We need atmosphere, psychological and cosmic dread. We need conflicted and not black/white characters!
Crudup obviously prepared speech, and his reaction when Franco said that Waterston should say something is really something... he is some bad and vain guy.
Daniels: "Jake asked me to say something if its ok."
Crudups character: "Please." Facial expression>> Very gloomy and bitter.
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Not sure where you get this idea that the characters are aware of the last supper reference made by the director,
that would mean they or Franco is breaking the fourth wall, and he aint no Deadpool.
So or i am missing something or you are getting it wrong, the last supper is a reference to a bibicle thing, its portraited like this in the movie/prolog.
Huh? Where did I say anything about the characters knowing about the director's last supper references??? That would be insane in any movie that isn't Deadpool. I'm saying that the clip is dropping hints to the audience. Very big ones.
I really dont understand anything you are saying at the moment.
I pass this on to someone who likes puzzles
Or maybe someone with basic English comprehension skills?
Ok
You talk about Franco in the middle of the picture, and that he knows someone will betray him, and you refer that he could know someone from the Prometheus crew, here is where you lost me, Franco is an actor, the still/picture is made for us the audience, so no its not in the movie.
He is the captain of the Covenant, even if he does know someone of the Prometheus crew he still doesnt know he will be betrayed by someone just because Ridley told them to stand in that order to make a picture for us the audience.
You are really mixing up reality and movie.
No matter how bad my English is :)
Ok guys and thats my queue to exit. Yall know too much. I havent read any leaks myself so Ill see yall in May. PEACE!
I found Franco saying 'I'm burning-up' to be a tad on the nose if rumours are true...
Infected, neomorpheus - tone it down. There's no need to dig at each other. We're all friends here.
Enoch, it is a spoiler. Yes, it's funny but it's still a spoiler. Use tags please.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
Enoch, it is a spoiler. Yes, it's funny but it's still a spoiler. Use tags please.
Sir, yes sir. It's very funny.
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Not sure where you get this idea that the characters are aware of the last supper reference made by the director,
that would mean they or Franco is breaking the fourth wall, and he aint no Deadpool.
So or i am missing something or you are getting it wrong, the last supper is a reference to a bibicle thing, its portraited like this in the movie/prolog.
Huh? Where did I say anything about the characters knowing about the director's last supper references??? That would be insane in any movie that isn't Deadpool. I'm saying that the clip is dropping hints to the audience. Very big ones.
I really dont understand anything you are saying at the moment.
I pass this on to someone who likes puzzles
Or maybe someone with basic English comprehension skills?
Ok
You talk about Franco in the middle of the picture, and that he knows someone will betray him, and you refer that he could know someone from the Prometheus crew, here is where you lost me, Franco is an actor, the still/picture is made for us the audience, so no its not in the movie.
He is the captain of the Covenant, even if he does know someone of the Prometheus crew he still doesnt know he will be betrayed by someone just because Ridley told them to stand in that order to make a picture for us the audience.
You are really mixing up reality and movie.
No matter how bad my English is :)
Point to the part where I said Franco's character knows what the director is thinking. I didn't, did I? Because that would be absurd.
I said it was MY theory based on the Jesus references. My Theory that Franco's character might know he's going to be betrayed. My Theory that he might be related to a Prometheus crew member. My theory that he's undercover etc. Not the character's theory... wtf?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
Infected, neomorpheus - tone it down. There's no need to dig at each other. We're all friends here.
Apologies, to all. I don't really know where the guy is getting this and at the same time being rather insulting about it too.
Noah's Ark this is not.
Like Camp Crystal Lake.
And David is the mother of Jason/Alien.
Ch ch ch ah ah ahhhh
Oh man! This is cringeworthy! I mean really!
All it needed was one of the gay characters to look admiringly at another male character and say, 'Ooooooh! A mag-NIF-icent specimen!'
But at least the Prometheus 'viral' material was also horrible, but the film turned out just great. Oh wait...
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:24:55 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 12:00:31 PM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
So... here's a theory based on the clip and Jesus reference for Franco and that he's in the centre of the promo photo. James Franco knows one of them will betray the crew. But how would he know this? Is he any relation to any of the Prometheus expedition? Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened? Is he feeling unwell because he KNOWS what's waiting for them? Is he there, undercover (literally in that scene!) to find out what happened to the Prometheus crew and to sacrifice himself for humanity? HMMMMMMM!
Not sure where you get this idea that the characters are aware of the last supper reference made by the director,
that would mean they or Franco is breaking the fourth wall, and he aint no Deadpool.
So or i am missing something or you are getting it wrong, the last supper is a reference to a bibicle thing, its portraited like this in the movie/prolog.
Huh? Where did I say anything about the characters knowing about the director's last supper references??? That would be insane in any movie that isn't Deadpool. I'm saying that the clip is dropping hints to the audience. Very big ones.
I really dont understand anything you are saying at the moment.
I pass this on to someone who likes puzzles
Or maybe someone with basic English comprehension skills?
Ok
You talk about Franco in the middle of the picture, and that he knows someone will betray him, and you refer that he could know someone from the Prometheus crew, here is where you lost me, Franco is an actor, the still/picture is made for us the audience, so no its not in the movie.
He is the captain of the Covenant, even if he does know someone of the Prometheus crew he still doesnt know he will be betrayed by someone just because Ridley told them to stand in that order to make a picture for us the audience.
You are really mixing up reality and movie.
No matter how bad my English is :)
Point to the part where I said Franco's character knows what the director is thinking. I didn't, did I? Because that would be absurd.
I said it was MY theory based on the Jesus references. My Theory that Franco's character might know he's going to be betrayed. My Theory that he might be related to a Prometheus crew member. My theory that he's undercover etc. Not the character's theory... wtf?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
Infected, neomorpheus - tone it down. There's no need to dig at each other. We're all friends here.
Apologies, to all. I don't really know where the guy is getting this and at the same time being rather insulting about it too.
Yes its a possibility, the crew most likely are not liking each other for some reason, and what happens to Franco further on will probably be at the hands of one of them, and maybe Walter takes learn from that, because in the end the last supper,
is all but a bunch of backstabbers, kinda like humanity is overall.
I wasnt insulting, i already told you i am probably missing the bigger picture you were drawing.
Actually, Prometheus' TED talk viral video was absolutely great.
Quote from: Vermillion on Feb 23, 2017, 12:32:10 PM
Noah's Ark this is not.
Like Camp Crystal Lake.
And David is the mother of Jason/Alien.
Ch ch ch ah ah ahhhh
The newborn IS Jason Voorhees!!!!!
Hey guys, long time lurker, thought I'd jump in on the conversation.
Enjoyed it myself. Thought the scene had a natural feel to it with good chemistry. Laughed along with the banter and thought the character dynamics were interesting, especially Crudup's character, who came across as an uptight, judgemental, conservative type, who's nose looked bent out of joint by the more liberal attitudes of some his crew mates. The scene also gave me more confidence in Waterston's ability as a leading lady.
To those moaning about the chocking scene, I think it was meant to pay homage to John Hurt, and if that's the case, I personally feel its a nice touch. Of course, I wouldn't want such fan service in the film itself, but for a viral AD, I don't see a problem with it.
The key to Covenant being a good movie for me, is going to be down to how well it sells us the tragedy of the situation. Here we have colonists full of hopes and dreams of starting a new life together, only for it to turn into a nightmare. Get that element right and the audience invested emotionally and there's a real chance to make the xeno scary again, something its not really been since the original.
Anyway, I'm more upbeat after this than I was following the trailer and will be looking forward to more viral stuff in the coming weeks.
So watching this, we can guess that the newest creature, newest aliens are humans themselves.
Yet another long time lurker joining in. I enjoyed it, so thought I'd put my opinion in.
Crudup is the key to this little vignette, wouldn't you agree?
Sucking up to the captain, then showing disdain that McBride's character doesn't agree ( 0.30 )
He's got a little speech planned, but is rebuked - twice.
He's happy to say, in not hushed tones, exactly what he feels about McBride's character.
And of course we can line that up with the fact that Waterston's character calls him "captain" in the trailer, doesn't she?
Group dynamics.
I wonder just how much more of Franco we will actually see in the movie?
Fassbender again impresses - I felt a chill when he said "Down the wrong pipe". Walter and a directive, perhaps?
Lastly, if this is the start of the marketing "ramp up", where does it lead us?
What clues are there, what have we been given to move us on?
I'll go back, now, to being a very interested lurker.
Thanks. ( and keep up the debate, opinions matter )
Quote from: John Doe on Feb 23, 2017, 12:08:27 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 11:30:34 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 23, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
Yep!!
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441 (https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5WA0oNWIAA7hrb.jpg:large
GREAT! Its obvious, isnt it?
Spoiler
And he ll burn... What an irony....
Please use spoiler tags.
Who??
Corporal was reffering to me of course. ;D
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 01:26:40 PM
Me of course. ;D
That wasn't considered spoilery??
Spoiler
GREAT! Its obvious, isnt it?
And he ll burn... What an irony....
It IS spoiler... :)
I would'n be surprised if Crudup's character arranged everything in order to sabotage the captain (Franco).
He prepared the speech but captain just announced that he is not feeling well. Maybe Crudup tempered
with Franco's drink to send him to his death pod earlier than the rest of the crew. Crudup's character is so nasty and I ve seen just 4 minutes of material with him. Maybe that was indeed Walter who showed him the eggs. He marked the f**ker as a threat to the rest of the crew... and therefor decided to terminate him, but without attacking him or so, instead he just showed him the eggs.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 01:35:14 PM
I would'n be surprised if Crudup's character arranged everything in order to sabotage the captain (Franco).
He prepared the speech and captain just announced that he is not feeling well. Maybe Crudup tempered
with Franco's dink to send him to his death pod. Crudup's character is so nasty and I ve seen just 4 minutes
of material with him. Maybe that was indeed Walter who showed him the eggs.
He is a talkshitter :laugh: Those are the ones you have to worry about.
LAST SUPPER -
Excluding the two gays and Walter (android),
there is exactly 12 crew member on the crew photo, and 13 if we count Walter.
Strange?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 23, 2017, 11:27:38 AMQuoteGuys, I think Ridley might be doing the subtle Space Jesus thing again #AlienCovenant pic.twitter.com/MQ73oZlVRS
They laughed when I first unveiled the Space Jesus theory back in the Prometheus era! They called me mad. Mad! Who's laughing now, eh? Ahahahahahah! (And so forth.)
Count me among the 'loved it' crowd. These feel like flawed human beings we can relate to, and I'm already flinching at the thought of the terrors they're going to have to face.
Enoch! Spoilers! >:(
Liked it, apart from the choke.
BUT:
People need to learn the difference between 'peek' and 'peak'. :P
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 01:49:11 PM
LAST SUPPER -
Excluding the two gays and Walter (android),
there is exactly 12 crew member on the crew photo, and 13 if we count Walter.
Strange?
Poor Shaw... All she wanted to do was find out where they came from, and instead well you've read the spoilers.
Fan editor's heaven.
I really liked it. Digging all the religious references. The gay characters were done well, they aren't super annoying. Seems like this is just introducing us to the characters.
I just watched it. I thought it was pretty good, it "feels" better than the stuff we saw in Prometheus.
Spoiler
I didn't know Franco was the captain, I thought the other guy from the original trailers was. I guess he's a second in command? He seems to have that nervous "I need to prove myself" thing going on.
I also liked the mention of the bugs that were "Cockroaches the size of dogs". It kind of briefly expanded on some of the other bugs the USCM may have to go clear out during and after the covenant
I think that Billy Crudup's character is going to be one of the most interesting. I don't get the feeling that he is a bad guy. I think that he is more of a shy and timid guy who is basically James Franco's character second. You can see that he is trying to socialize and participate as a legitimate second in command but he seems to be overruled by Daniels because she is Branson's wife and Tennessee because he is a loudmouth. Only his wife seems to support him. You can see how all this tension is going to play when he will have to take charge as a Captain with people who doesn't respect him and how it will lead to bad decisions from both sides and maybe mutiny. I don't think that the dude means harm and judging from what we see in the trailer, I feel pretty bad for him.
^ Yes. Although its really starting to test my patience that some here think having gay characters on a colonization mission is dumb or some kind of blasphemy in the sacred world of sci-fi. Nope. Sorry. Not having it.
I'm sure phil plait, michelle thaller, degrasse tyson and a whole bunch of other scientists can point out the risks of any space colonization mission that is deliberately not bio-diverse, socio-diverse, sexually diverse etc...
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 23, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
^ Yes. Although its really starting to test my patience that some here think having gay characters on a colonization mission is dumb or some kind of blasphemy in the sacred world of sci-fi. Nope. Sorry. Not having it.
I'm sure phil plait, michelle thaller, degrasse tyson and a whole bunch of other scientists can point out the risks of any space colonization mission that is deliberately not bio-diverse, socio-diverse, sexually diverse etc...
This.
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 23, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
^ Yes. Although its really starting to test my patience that some here think having gay characters on a colonization mission is dumb or some kind of blasphemy in the sacred world of sci-fi. Nope. Sorry. Not having it.
I'm sure phil plait, michelle thaller, degrasse tyson and a whole bunch of other scientists can point out the risks of any space colonization mission that is deliberately not bio-diverse, socio-diverse, sexually diverse etc...
I think you nailed it. I am surprised at the kinds of ridiculousness that is popping up because there are two gay characters in the movieālet alone the head of security *gasp* God Forbid! ::)
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 23, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
^ Yes. Although its really starting to test my patience that some here think having gay characters on a colonization mission is dumb or some kind of blasphemy in the sacred world of sci-fi. Nope. Sorry. Not having it.
I'm sure phil plait, michelle thaller, degrasse tyson and a whole bunch of other scientists can point out the risks of any space colonization mission that is deliberately not bio-diverse, socio-diverse, sexually diverse etc...
LOL. So, not feeling the gay couple is bad now? Am I offending gay people because I don't like the idea of a gay couple in an alien movie?
It's just an opinion. Get over it.
I have nothing against homosexuals. I just can't find it interesting.
But I'm guessing they are having their baby... muuuhahaha
I don't think they ll show that aspect of those two characters in the movie.
After all we know that Bichir's character is security chief, I think we should
value people as well as characters by their capabilities, skills, personality, reasoning and charisma,
not by their sexual orientation.
Let me put it this way, Alien is a SF movie, we know they are colonist... what would happen
if the top scientist for human reproduction etc. is homosexual... you wouldnt bring such person
to top priority colonisation mission?
I m not supporter of pro homosexuality but neither against the course of nature...
Great clip...love the characters...they seem so REAL
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
I don't think they ll show that aspect of those two characters in the movie.
After all we know that Bichir's character is security chief, I think we should
value people as well as characters by their capabilities, skills, personality, reasoning and charisma,
not by their sexual orientation.
Let me put it this way, Alien is a SF movie, we know they are colonist... what would happen
if the top scientist for human reproduction ets. is homosexual... you wouldnt bring such person
to top priority colonisation mission?
Actually yes cause there could be those individuals that need relief when all the woman have been impregnated. ;)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
I don't think they ll show that aspect of those two characters in the movie.
After all we know that Bichir's character is security chief, I think we should
value people as well as characters by their capabilities, skills, personality, reasoning and charisma,
not by their sexual orientation.
I know what you mean. But in a 4 minute video we can already see them, kissing, saying "I love you" twice, and almost colonizing on the table haha.
Ok guys, you are gay, cool, relax, move along.
Thats true...
This viral was conceived by Ridley who is not gay...
what could we expect from screenwriter John Logan who is gay person...
Maybe that table colonization is indeed inevitable. ;D ;D
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 02:47:08 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
I don't think they ll show that aspect of those two characters in the movie.
After all we know that Bichir's character is security chief, I think we should
value people as well as characters by their capabilities, skills, personality, reasoning and charisma,
not by their sexual orientation.
I know what you mean. But in a 4 minute video we can already see them, kissing, saying "I love you" twice, and almost colonizing on the table haha.
Ok guys, you are gay, cool, relax, move along.
They're drunk, I know I've done similar stuff with any girl I've ever been in a relationship with while I've been drinking.
If it was a straight relationship would you have the same issue?
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 23, 2017, 02:53:37 PM
They're drunk, I know I've done similar stuff with any girl I've ever been in a relationship with while I've been drinking.
If it was a straight relationship would you have the same issue?
Correct point.
And what if the shower scene was a gay couple shower scene?
Guess everybody here would be ok with it. Right? Straight couples do that too.
Good to know they ripped off the meal scene from the first one (minus the chestburster).
Those 2 red lights in the backgrounds in some shots reminds of 2 glowing red eyes. Feels deliberate. Reminds of the atmosphere processor on aliens. It seemed to have 2 lights reminiscent of eyes.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 02:58:42 PM
And what if the shower scene was a gay couple shower scene?
Guess everybody here would be ok with it. Right? Straight couples do that too.
Bi, Gay, Straight, Zoophile, Alien raping, I'd be more than happy than the sterilized Prometheus about cuddles and prophecies.
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 02:58:42 PM
And what if the shower scene was a gay couple shower scene?
Guess everybody here would be ok with it. Right? Straight couples do that too.
If a scene like the shower scene, in any movie, gay or straight, doesn't derail the plot then I'm completely ok with it.
As long as it's not just put there for the sake of shock value (looking at you Penny Dreadful) then I see no problem with it regardless of the orientation of the relationship.
Penny Dreadful created by JOHN LOGAN
Who wrote a screenplay for Covenant. :) ;)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 03:12:56 PM
Penny Dreadful created by JOHN LOGAN
Who wrote a screenplay for Covenant. :) ;)
Fair enough, but I don't see anything on the level of needless nude/sex scenes (heterosexual or not) like we saw with Dorian Grey and his story line from that show.
The most pointless of which was what happened between him and Ethan.
Definitely enjoyed the clip. Seems like an interesting group of characters. Very reminiscent of the Nostromo crew.
I dont think this was a viral clip...id say it straight out of the movie
Just to add... I've just done watching it on a 75" TV, and if nothing else, it looks great.
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 02:58:42 PM
And what if the shower scene was a gay couple shower scene?
Guess everybody here would be ok with it. Right? Straight couples do that too.
I'd be absolutely 100% A-OK with it. I completely disagree with this whole "no gays in my Aliens movies please". If you were going to colonise a planet in the distant future you might indeed send as diverse a people as possible, because LGBT will obviously have to be represented - colonisation isn't just going to be about making babies, it is going to be largely about perceived societal values, the kind of world of tolerance they want to live in, if LGBT couples are excluded from such missions, that is a bad start there already. Let's not forget that these guys could absolutely raise kids if medical advancements and surrogates are an option to them.
I've been having a discussion with a friend about this and she said it best:
"We can imagine a future where we have a creature that can melt people and turn them into eggs but - OH NO! THE GAYS!!!"
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
Infected, neomorpheus - tone it down. There's no need to dig at each other. We're all friends here.
Enoch, it is a spoiler. Yes, it's funny but it's still a spoiler. Use tags please.
Please don't challenge my friendliness. I will slather right out of this jumpsuit and colonize you both all over this table.
aaaaaaand - We've got a new one!
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 02:34:47 PM
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 23, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
^ Yes. Although its really starting to test my patience that some here think having gay characters on a colonization mission is dumb or some kind of blasphemy in the sacred world of sci-fi. Nope. Sorry. Not having it.
I'm sure phil plait, michelle thaller, degrasse tyson and a whole bunch of other scientists can point out the risks of any space colonization mission that is deliberately not bio-diverse, socio-diverse, sexually diverse etc...
LOL. So, not feeling the gay couple is bad now? Am I offending gay people because I don't like the idea of a gay couple in an alien movie?
It's just an opinion. Get over it.
I have nothing against homosexuals. I just can't find it interesting.
But I'm guessing they are having their baby... muuuhahaha
You're not supposed to find someone's sexuality interesting. Some people are gay, some are straight. Get over it.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
LOL
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 23, 2017, 04:34:16 PM
You're not supposed to find someone's sexuality interesting. Some people are gay, some are straight. Get over it.
Exactly. This should not be an issue.
I think it's great that there's a gay couple.
By the way... who is Uli Latukefu with? And Benjamin Rigby? Are they a couple?
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 23, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
I think it's great that there's a gay couple.
By the way... who is Uli Latukefu with? And Benjamin Rigby? Are they a couple?
I did notice that Latukefu and Rigby where the only two that didn't seem to have a spouse.
If we get two gay couples, that's awesome.
All I see are loving couples here. :)
hahahahaha ;D ;D
Watched it again. Like the ship, very Black Hole. Still not sold on the interaction between characters and I feel it will have zero pay off in the film simply because of running time. Kinda pointless. I'd rather have seen cuts of why they volunteered to go on a mission like this than the last supper scene. A getting to know the individual characters than a boring group scene.
Will there be a trailer drop this weekend possibly?
It just occurred to me - that long, flat ship is gonna look awesome in 3D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QjnYFYWmxo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QjnYFYWmxo)
Fun ! i love this corridor !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkewVIoAarA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkewVIoAarA)
He is again too critical and again too partial in his analysis of hidden meanings and symbols.
No Christ connotation and explanation... I m glad he mentioned how certain actors play totally opposite characters (e.g. Franco).
NASA discovery is intriguing to me also.
But he failed to fully analyse other symbols and to contextualize them.
For example:
Follow the light - Luciferian and occultic reference... No, no, at least
not in that connotation as he put it. Lucifer is in fact Prometheus... and Prometheus can
be considered both Godd and Bad.
Psalm 119:105 King James Version (KJV)
105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Light is always a symbol of God. It is the spiritual and the divine, it is illumination and intelligence. Light is the source of goodness and the ultimate reality (IMPORTANT), and it accompanies transcendence into the Nirvana of Buddhist doctrine.
Yes, it can suggest duality between David and Walter, it could suggest eternal conflict between God and Satan like in Milton's Epic, but no, it connects the two into one like yin and yang. The source of the light is darkens, because without darkness there would be nothing to shine up. Ultimately the two opposite sides are the same... David and Walter are indistinguishable!!!
All this could be connected with the contrasting symbol of Eclipse seen near the Paradise.
(https://i.imgur.com/wAwXGSi.jpg)
That eclipse and distant star in fact represent this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Yin_yang.svg/260px-Yin_yang.svg.png)
Light in darkness, darkness in light... Thats why Walter (presumably) is not entirely good or David entirely evil!
Like God is not completely good guy in Milton's epic, and Satan is not entirely bad.
P.S. Ridley said that David might have soul!!!
Does the crew know their destination? Or they are going to sleep until Walter finds evidence of a habitable planet?
Because they are landing in "Paradise" not just some random rock. Maybe they get some sort of signal from the crashed ship?
Hmm
Quote from: slipknotpredator on Feb 23, 2017, 06:00:13 PM
Does the crew know their destination? Or they are going to sleep until Walter finds evidence of a habitable planet?
Because they are landing in "Paradise" not just some random rock. Maybe they get some sort of signal from the crashed ship?
Hmm
Dude....
Spoiler
They are enroute when they get sidetracked and answer distress signal which leads them to engineer planet apparently set by Shaw.
That planet is Paradise, Himmel (Engineer planet)...
They are enroute to some other place.
Shit trailer. Awesome sneak peak. Confused audiance.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 23, 2017, 05:12:23 PM
It just occurred to me - that long, flat ship is gonna look awesome in 3D.
As long as it doesn't look like a darn CLIP FROM A VIDEO GAME by the time we see it in the movie.
Somebody did mention something in that trailer about going back into cryosleep. But Daniels was handed "waking up" vitamins by Walter, not going to sleep vitamins right? I'm going to have to rewatch the trailer again to focus on just the route aspects.
No, no... those are vitamins required before the cryosleep.
Vitamins and dont forget the purgative also. :P
For example, sailors used to eat vitamin C (lemons) while sailing in order
to avoid scurvy, a disease caused by deficiency of vitamin C.
Ah, so thats what he said. Purgative - it sounded like prerogative for a second. I need a hearing test, lol.
Came on here to see what people thought.
I though here of all places i could escape the "Oh theres a gay couple in film"
Does it matter? , Really?
its not a Rom-Com Its an F'ING ALIEN MOVIE!!
FINALLY!
The first one in the franchise to be released (not including AvP) to called an AIEN in 20 years!!!
C'mon guys this is what we've been waiting for.
I too need to check my hearing.
I can not understand what word is Franco using at the end of this
sentence:
I just wanted to say hey before...?
I just can't believe how bad this film looks. This cast looks like they belong on the next season of the MTV Real World/ Road Rules challenge. This clip was terrible...ugh.....unreal. Completely unrealistic/ unbelievable...James Franco is one of those actors that will never be able to become his character, he is always James Franco. Stunt casting.
:laugh: :laugh:
Stick with MTV Real World/ Road Rules challenge...
When you say that something is wrong or bad, you also need
to provide arguments and your vision of better scenario. That is the essence
of providing an opinion otherwise opinions are not opinions but sheer complaining for
the sake of complaining (or hating).
Without hands !!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi17.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb74%2FKapital21%2Fhomos2_zpsboejfbag.jpg&hash=1319b2e150d6c6600c30a34198789fc07242af78)
:laugh:
hahahahahaah :laugh: :laugh:
He only lacks that McBride's hat.
That scene was deliberate...
I can't even.... :D
Jajajajaja my god...
Maybe Bichir needs the hat of Janek:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-ZSWppO-epMg%2FUGgbbefvoqI%2FAAAAAAAAFVg%2FpscrR723EOs%2Fs1600%2Fbscap1922.jpg&hash=3f596743a5de2b895e21a7fbdb2b3998e0f2f3c7)
Another !!!! Hands off !!!!.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 07:22:37 PM
:laugh: :laugh:
Stick with MTV Real World/ Road Rules challenge...
When you say that something is wrong or bad, you also need
to provide arguments and your vision of better scenario. That is the essence
of providing an opinion otherwise opinions are not opinions but sheer complaining for
the sake of complaining (or hating).
No, you don't.
Ok. You dont but then opinions are not opinions but sheer complaining for
the sake of complaining (or hating). :-* :laugh: And such quasi opinions are
not to be discussed any further.
You need to give the opinion the reason to exist...
If someone doesn't like it for whatever reason, then they don't like it. Dismissing it as 'hating' is just as lazy as 'hating' itself.
No, no... I haven't said that he is hating it.
He expressed his thoughts saying that he is not liking it, but for us to
be able to understand his toughs, he need to provide his vision of the good.
Otherwise, why sharing his "opinion" with us?
How can we define good or bad without knowing the properties of both.
QuoteHe expressed his thoughts saying that he is not liking it, but for us to
be able to understand his toughs, he need to provide his vision of the good.
No, he doesn't. He said he didn't like the casting or performances. End of story. No one is obliged to provide a better alternative. You could discuss more about what he didn't like, but your argument amounts to 'Lets see you do better' which is nonsense.
And thats why world is falling apart...
Immanuel Kant: "Act only in accordance with that maxim through which you can at the same time will that it become a universal law."
Heraclitus: For this reason it is necessary to follow what is common. But although the Logos is common, most people live as if they had their own private understanding.
Nothing is nonsense!
Not posting this to appear smart, just to illustrate the irony of free will or free opinion which is in fact pretty much limited by self limitation. If I said you are not handsome, tell me, you wouldnt ask for explanation? You would accept as fact?
No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
`John Donne
Quotebut your argument amounts to 'Lets see you do better' which is nonsense.
So, science is nonsense... One scientist proposes a theory, another says it could never be proven.
So the third one is forbidden to even try? ??? That is the analogy.
The point is - why do we say something is good or bad if we can not define/explain any of that to each other. No matter if we agree or not... Without the explanation we can not even ascertain if we agree or disagree. Opinions thus became aliens of human minds and at the end everything becomes futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
Some choppy editing but I liked it overall.
At the end everything is up to personal tastes. But to deny someone to ask another person why disliking something and
what would have been better instead is not sensible.
Yea I gotta agree with Enoch, he wants to know why someone dislikes something for his clarification. If that person doesn't want to answer that's fine but what's wrong with inquiring? That is why the world is indeed falling apart, a lack of communication. Hating, liking or not caring about something without ever explaining why.
Also I think I need my hearing checked too because I still have no idea what those giant cockroach's are the size of... ::)
Bravo, sir!!!
Thats the point of everything I wrote. Maybe I was a bit
tedious and not consistent but that point was on my mind :)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/dOJt6XZlQw8qQ/giphy.gif)
Lets quote someone from the period of Renaissance because they
were kinda considered smart ;D:
The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions. Leonardo da Vinci
To put it mildly.
QuoteAnd thats why world is falling apart...
No, it isn't.
QuoteSo, science is nonsense...
We're talking about art - not science.
Quote
At the end everything is up to personal tastes. But to deny someone to ask another person why disliking something and
what would have been better instead is not sensible.
If you'd simply
asked, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead you said "you also need to provide arguments and your vision of better scenario".
QuoteIf that person doesn't want to answer that's fine but what's wrong with inquiring?
I don't know - you tell me.
QuoteHating, liking or not caring about something without ever explaining why.
The "why" is irrelevant. It can however make for interesting discussions if one simply asks "What didn't you like about the cast?" instead of giving off a vibe of 'Let's see you do better, hater'.
QuoteAlso I think I need my hearing checked too because I still have no idea what those giant cockroach's are the size of... ::)
I heard 'poodle'.
Good God, the melodrama.
I also heard poodle.
And what Franco said:
I just came to say hey before I go...
QuoteThe "why" is irrelevant. It can however make for interesting discussions if one simply asks "What didn't you like about the cast?" instead of giving off a vibe of 'Let's see you do better, hater'.
SM, are you a robot? ;D ;D ;D
Spoiler
Dont worry I m not gay :laugh: Just a lame joke! :P Hope you ll forgive me.
But I m still under the impression of previous very thorough discussion about the inclusion of gay characters in Alien universe.
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2017, 09:22:52 PMQuote
If that person doesn't want to answer that's fine but what's wrong with inquiring?
I don't know - you tell me.
Because it is the human thing to do. Answered that just because.
QuoteQuoteAlso I think I need my hearing checked too because I still have no idea what those giant cockroach's are the size of... ::)
I heard 'poodle'.
That's what I thought I heard.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:24:22 PM
Good God, the melodrama.
Of which you participate in.
It's very interesting, for sure. Some of the editing is a little... off. I don't know. Maybe it's the improv? But it's nice to finally see something more extensive with the film and it's characters.
I was somewhat hoping the viral stuff would continue as it did with young Weyland. Just because I loved that TED talk.
QuoteOf which you participate in.
First thing I said in over ten pages. I also don't remember equating people not giving their suggestions for how to make a shit video better with 'what's wrong with the world'.
I can't hear what Franco is saying, but it's easy to understand he's talking about going to bed.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:24:22 PM
Good God, the melodrama.
I also heard poodle.
Sorry I didn't have a Kant or Da Vinci quote to hand. I can try and dig up some Jean-Paul Satre for next time.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:31:30 PM
QuoteOf which you participate in.
First thing I said in over ten pages. I also don't remember equating people not giving their suggestions for how to make a shit video better with 'what's wrong with the world'.
Whats wrong with the world by just telling that something is wrong without saying what would
have been better. Opinions are turning into statements, statements into fact, facts into a false world of false values. Small things matter, tomorrow they could grow. And I was not asking for suggestion but for explanation. Public opinion requires discussion and confrontation of other opinions. Otherwise why would you share your opinion publicly if you do not want to speak about it.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:31:30 PM
QuoteOf which you participate in.
First thing I said in over ten pages. I also don't remember equating people not giving their suggestions for how to make a shit video better with 'what's wrong with the world'.
That's pun from one of the quote's in Enoch... you know what never mind. I'm stopping before I get crap for this, again.
Enoch, forget it, this has been going on for some time and it's best to just let it be.
after watching it and thinking about it, this is not good, so i am glad it is not in the movie, the editing is bad, the dialogues are bad, the acting is ok but it feels like they were fooling around and suddenly turned on the cameras and started to improvise, visually looks good but i cannot wait to see how Scott does a similar scene in that same location after the crew wakes up, it will be a whole different world in terms of quality
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:24:22 PM
Good God, the melodrama.
I also heard poodle.
Sorry I didn't have a Kant or Da Vinci quote to hand. I can try and dig up some Jean-Paul Satre for next time.
I was hoping for some Camus. Pushing rocks up mountains for all eternity seems a fitting analogy for this place some times.
Rumors have it this test screened at LA and didn't get a good reaction. Can anyone confirm this?
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
Rumors have it this test screened at LA and didn't get a good reaction. Can anyone confirm this?
i can confirm that test screenings are irrelevant because test audiences are brainless, and most of the times the movies end up mutilated and made bad movies because of bad reactions by stupid people who have no idea about art
also, i feel this movie will be a bloodbath, even more gory than A:R, there is a lot of victims there, it will be like the first Alien but cranked to 11 in intensity and deaths
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2017, 09:36:43 PM
Enoch, forget it, this has been going on for some time and it's best to just let it be.
You are right. :)
Quote from: D88M on Feb 23, 2017, 09:42:14 PM
i can confirm that test screenings are irrelevant because test audiences are brainless, and most of the times the movies end up mutilated and made bad movies because of bad reactions by stupid people who have no idea about art
also, i feel this movie will be a bloodbath, even more gory than A:R, there is a lot of victims there, it will be like the first Alien but cranked to 11 in intensity and deaths
This is often very true.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:38:52 PM
I was hoping for some Camus. Pushing rocks up mountains for all eternity seems a fitting analogy for this place some times.
Here you go :)
The evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack
understanding. -Albert Camus
I think this is fine way to end this discussion.
Yeah I really don't think he or any of the others were talking about film commentary.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 23, 2017, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: neomorpheus on Feb 23, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
So did anyone spot all the actual The Last Supper references? Any Judas' in there? Scott doesn't make references to Christian stories and greek myth for no reason. Happy hunting!
Yep!!
https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441 (https://twitter.com/Cavalorn/status/834714972680765441)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5WA0oNWIAA7hrb.jpg:large
QuoteGuys, I think Ridley might be doing the subtle Space Jesus thing again #AlienCovenant pic.twitter.com/MQ73oZlVRS
Good eyes, sir! :)
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:48:09 PM
Yeah I really don't think he or any of the others were talking about film commentary.
No, but we are almost arguing about this. Because people do not want to confront opinions, because
they think they are all knowing, because they think theirs opinions are best... etc. Liberty of thought doesn't
mean that you alone are allowed to think or have an opinion.
We must know why you didn't like the Covenant prologue! Quickly, the world is at stake!
HAHAHAHAH ;D
Comments on Youtube are full of hate and dislike of the last supper vid.
I dont understand the hate and the dislike of this last supper vid,
please comfort me.
QuoteThe evil that is in the world almost always comes of ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding. -Albert Camus
Up your arse to Albert Camus - Ron 'Hitler' Barassi.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:24:22 PM
Good God, the melodrama.
I also heard poodle.
Sorry I didn't have a Kant or Da Vinci quote to hand. I can try and dig up some Jean-Paul Satre for next time.
I was hoping for some Camus. Pushing rocks up mountains for all eternity seems a fitting analogy for this place some times.
I am put in mind of the great philosopher Frost. "I heard that."
If the world is ending because some dude didn't care for James Franco, this movie better be the best movie ever or the apocalypse is nigh.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:48:09 PM
Yeah I really don't think he or any of the others were talking about film commentary.
No, but we are almost arguing about this. Because people do not want to confront opinions, because
they think they are all knowing, because they think theirs opinions are best... etc. Liberty of thought doesn't
mean that you alone are allowed to think or have opinion.
The entire point point of this conversation seems to have bypassed you.
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
Rumors have it this test screened at LA and didn't get a good reaction. Can anyone confirm this?
There was a test screening in LA recently and one guy complained about it on Twitter. Not that he actually saw the film mind, but his friend told him it sucked a bit.
Where are these rumours coming from? Test screening reactions seem to have been positive so far from what I've heard.
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2017, 09:55:26 PM
The entire point point of this conversation seems to have bypassed you.
Maybe, I wouldn't know :)
I m at least glad we discussed it in the boundaries of decency. I can not claim the same for the boundaries of reason because this discussion now looks so f**king bizarre. Hope you agree? The thing seemed irrelevant but I became tiered of everyone posting their feelings of discontempt (in other words hating something, because todays population is not making any difference between hate and discontempt ) but not wanting to discuss it with other people, to compare and share opinions and views.
I m hating just because I do....
I hate that... :)
this should've been the first trailer.
We get to see the cast.
We get a bit of the story, colonizing.
We get that little callback with the chocking.
That's all we needed to know.
This viral is way better than
The Martian's.
By the way, looking at Billy Crudup's character and his lack of confidence I'm not surprised that
Spoiler
David's gonna manipulate him and persuade to look into the egg to get facehugged :)
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 23, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
This viral is way better than The Martian's.
By the way, looking at Billy Crudup's character and his lack of confidence I'm not surprised that
Spoiler
David's gonna manipulate him and persuade to look into the egg to get facehugged :)
I already can here Fassbender saying soft and gently "look captain a giant kinder suprise egg, look inside there is a toy waiting for you"
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 10:32:26 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 23, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
This viral is way better than The Martian's.
By the way, looking at Billy Crudup's character and his lack of confidence I'm not surprised that
Spoiler
David's gonna manipulate him and persuade to look into the egg to get facehugged :)
I already can here Fassbender saying soft and gently "look captain a giant kinder suprise egg, look inside there is a toy waiting for you"
I really wonder what kind of trick David's gonna use to achieve Crudup looking into ...
Quote from: SiL on Feb 23, 2017, 09:31:30 PM
QuoteOf which you participate in.
First thing I said in over ten pages. I also don't remember equating people not giving their suggestions for how to make a shit video better with 'what's wrong with the world'.
I can't hear what Franco is saying, but it's easy to understand he's talking about going to bed.
Do you ever have like anything ever nice to say??
Alien Erasmus
What did he say that was, like, not nice?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 23, 2017, 11:59:43 PM
Do you ever have like anything ever nice to say??
All the time.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 12:15:22 AM
Seriously?? ::)
Yes. Could you be more specific about what you're trying to get at?
Okay guys, that's enough. Don't start with the insults.
Quote from: salomonj on Feb 23, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
Rumors have it this test screened at LA and didn't get a good reaction. Can anyone confirm this?
It was test screened on the Fox lot on October 17th and again on December 12th of 2016. There were recent rumors of another screening last month but I'm not sure about that one.
As I said.... ;D :D
At least we have 7 other planets to inhabit...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.favim.com%2Forig%2F28%2Fend-of-the-world-gif-world-Favim.com-236979.gif&hash=55eb12f546bd042a7b2102e8e5a24892c834b83e)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 12:28:22 AM
As I said.... ;D :D
At least we have 7 other planets to inhabit...
http://s2.favim.com/orig/28/end-of-the-world-gif-world-Favim.com-236979.gif
Yes, but I don't think well get to see that in our lifetime at least if it takes 40 years to get there.
Certainly not... But I read an article stating that some of the newborn generations are probably
going to live more than 200 years. ;)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 12:27:28 AM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 24, 2017, 12:25:02 AM
Okay guys, that's enough. Don't start with the insults.
Exactly. Let's not make this like IMDB was.
I was just wondering what I said that was bothering you so much. You started it. Feel free to pm me.
"Is he signed up at such a young age to find out what happened?" - Franco is 38, so he's not unusually young. Weaver wasn't even out of her 20s when they made the original.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2017, 12:35:38 AM
I was just wondering what I said that was bothering you so much. You started it. Feel free to pm me.
Does it matter what you said, SiL? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Thats his opinion, isnt it??
Just kidding. Now you see whats reasonable discussion and opinion-making.
The important part of all those social interactions is ARGUMENTATION based
on common reason.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 12:37:31 AM
Just kidding. Now you see whats reasonable discussion and opinion-making.
The important part of all those social interactions is ARGUMENTATION based
on common reason.
You must have a dim view of the world if you think comments made against people have the same weight and importance as comments made about pop culture entertainment.
Everything is important... Are you blind, havent you seen what pop culture (if we can call it that way)
has done to the world, to the new generations... Values are collapsed. My view of human civilization
is pretty dim... thats why I like Alien movie and Blade Runner. The xenomorph is the very metaphor for human sepcies
How are films like Alien and Blade Runner not part of pop culture?
Enoch, it's "I just wanted to say hey before I jet out; I'm feeling kind of queasy".
I m not speaking about that segment of pop culture. I dont have a name for the phenomenon I was speaking about.
Reality programs, open promotion of wrong values, perverting the liberty into liberal anarchy, converting the politics into travesty, making economies based on warfare and lies, just like in ancient times... deluding the youth with low fancies,using the false face of democracy and liberalism to impose moral and totalitarianism of the spirit. My life is relatively normal, but people should not allow themselves to be blind to the world existing around them.
I guess 2001 Odyssey explained it all... give a monkey a peace technology and millennia after
he ll still be monkey... just without all that hair and distinctive cranial morphology. But at the very end at the pinnacle of our advancement... it all begins again, from the start.
QuoteI m not speaking about that segment of pop culture.
Convenient.
As for the rest... well... I can't think of anything to say that wouldn't come across as being rather rude.
Well, be rude but explain your reasons... otherwise I will never learn what I sad badly and what convictions I should change. I won't take anything to heart. :)
Nah, I'll just say that when you're a bit older perhaps you'll appreciate that things aren't quite as bleak as you imagine.
I m quite happy in my life, thanks to God or some universal chance. :laugh:
The world is bleak for many others but that also affect us currently happy.
Maybe I m wrong, but then again I will not be surprised if the dimness
reaches my realms.
Well, after seeing the prologue I have to honestly say that I feel a bit underwhelmed and don't even get me started on Walter's ridiculous sounding voice.
Just curious what you found annoying about his voice?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 24, 2017, 01:43:22 AM
Just curious what you found annoying about his voice?
It just sounded incredibly over the top and corny. I'd expect something like it in a god-awful YouTube video not in a major motion picture directed by Ridley Scott.
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 24, 2017, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 24, 2017, 01:43:22 AM
Just curious what you found annoying about his voice?
It just sounded incredibly over the top and corny. I'd expect something like it in a god-awful YouTube video not in a major motion picture directed by Ridley Scott.
I thought it sounded affected. But the actor is probably doing that on purpose. Remember, Walter isn't supposed to sound quite human.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2017, 01:12:57 AM
Nah, I'll just say that when you're a bit older perhaps you'll appreciate that things aren't quite as bleak as you imagine.
'"The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.'
I think they succeed a little too well with that.
I watched the prologue again and he does seem to be trying to hard to sound human. Even the smile seems awkward.
"Please insure to consume the requisite liquid and vitamin pack."
That line sounded strange.
That's the point, I think.
Fassbender is great as usual.
Waterston is a natural.
Tess Haubrich is cute.
Billy Crudup is really good, reminds me of Gorman from Aliens.
The rest I don't care about. Danny McBride is annoying. A gay couple is progressive and forward thinking but I'd prefer lesbians (just my preference, but then people would complain exploitation). James Franco is another annoying guy.
I'm 50/50 with this cast.
Quotebut I'd prefer lesbians (just my preference, but then people would complain exploitation)
Depends if they look like normal people, or the tired old stereotypical 'hot lesbians'.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2017, 03:19:28 AM
Quotebut I'd prefer lesbians (just my preference, but then people would complain exploitation)
Depends if they look like normal people, or the tired old stereotypical 'hot lesbians'.
I wouldn't expect it to look like something out of a porn movie.
Then why would it be any more exploitative than the gay guys we have now?
If one accepts the 'why are there gay guys on a colonising mission?' argument; it actually makes more sense to take a lesbian couple because they're both physically capable of bearing children.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2017, 03:34:30 AM
Then why would it be any more exploitative than the gay guys we have now?
Because it's like the shower scene, anything sexual that may appeal to straight males is labelled exploitation by some. They don't have to be stereotypical 'hot lesbians'.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 24, 2017, 02:24:28 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 24, 2017, 02:16:13 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 24, 2017, 01:43:22 AM
Just curious what you found annoying about his voice?
It just sounded incredibly over the top and corny. I'd expect something like it in a god-awful YouTube video not in a major motion picture directed by Ridley Scott.
I thought it sounded affected. But the actor is probably doing that on purpose. Remember, Walter isn't supposed to sound quite human.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2017, 01:12:57 AM
Nah, I'll just say that when you're a bit older perhaps you'll appreciate that things aren't quite as bleak as you imagine.
'"The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.'
I, too, found Fassbender's accent to be spotty. Which is odd, because his American accent is usually acceptable. I think it's because they used production audio to make that viral video - no additional dialogue recording done to make it sound better. It ends up sounding thin and murky, like a TV movie or an amateur film. Fassbender's performance was also surprisingly wooden, like it was in the viral for The Counselor directed by Jake Scott.
Fassbender sounded like he was trying to do an American accent (his American accent in Assassin's Creed is spotty as well), but then reverts back to David's voice in the second half of the clip. Fassbender is actually Irish.
woah i already love most of the crew, there are many i dont want to see die...but they probably and they WILL and i WILL see it and cry
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 24, 2017, 03:53:02 AM
Fassbender sounded like he was trying to do an American accent (his American accent in Assassin's Creed is spotty as well), but then reverts back to David's voice in the second half of the clip. Fassbender is actually Irish.
He also speaks fluent German. And in Inglorious Basterds, the Germans in that film thought his accent sounded odd. :)
I don't think Walter sounded "American" at all, in the new viral. He just didn't sound like David did. I don't see the issue, here. I want him to be at least somewhat different than his forebear.
Poor Franco. Hardly in the movie and people are calling him annoying. He didn't quite seem like a captain, to me, in this scene, but if he's sick, maybe it robbed him of his commanding aura.
The doors closing in the short, was that possibly a shout out to MST3K?
Not that I believe for a second that AC will fall into the same category as films which Joel and Mike reviewed with Crow and Servo.
Too many morons on here talking about the gay guy's. Get over it, you all sound like bigoted old men.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 24, 2017, 04:34:42 AM
Too many morons on here talking about the gay guy's. Get over it, you all sound like bigoted old men.
agreed - i'd rather discuss the bit about "cockroaches the size of giant poodles" at another colony
I like that Scott included a gay couple, and that they're not photogenic gays, but hairy manly butch gay dudes. Good on him.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 24, 2017, 04:34:42 AM
Too many morons on here talking about the gay guy's. Get over it, you all sound like bigoted old men.
No one has said anything remotely bigoted over the last several pages - why get stroppy now?
I'm surprised that there's so much youtube hate for the prologue.
I'm a little wary of the test audience issue in a film franchise like Alien. I mean, how much attention was paid to test audiences / youtube comments for A L I E N in the 70s?
If it really is a "broad cross-section" audience that is tested, I'm not even sure that is the best tactic for any kind of franchise/prequel/sequel/reboot/cult following movie that has a longevity and running history to it. Surely you would want to target your "repeat business customers" (i.e. fans) more than casual moviegoers who may not be in it for the long haul. Sure, pleasing one-time cinemagoers will make a few bucks, but the core money might always come flooding in from repeat customers. Who knows... Reputation is easy to lose and hard to gain/gain back.
The argument I suppose is you can always rely on the repeat cusomers to put up with any old nonsense, so you can pander more to new one-time or potential repeat customer converts.
I still have concerns this movie will be waaay gorier than A L I E N and more frequently- as if every body count needs to be justified with precious running time devoted to gratuitious gore. But the prologue has filled me with more excitement than the first trailer - especially about lessons being learned after Prometheus.
I think the stakes are different this time around also. For Prometheus, frankly I was just happy to have ANY kind of movie in the Alien universe - especially after AVP:R jeopardised things. This time around I don't think I'll be the same. Since Prometheus, we've had Gravity, Martian, Interstellar, Arrival, which although are completely different movies, bring science back into sci-fi. I just hope this movie stands very strongly as an Alien movie, and as a credible sci-fi movie for the 21st century.
The prologue ticks all the boxes for me. I really want to see this movie. And I really want to come flooding out of the cinema with a feeling of I can't wait for the DVD to come out.
Alien was pretty gory in its own right. But I'm told the Backburster/throastbuster scenes are gorier than anything in Alien or Prometheus combined.
I wonder how gory the scenes will remain once the MPAA see it? Hopefully, they won't make them cut out to much. I don't know how bloody the scenes are because I haven't read the descriptions of what happens in them. They do sound over the top though.
Was OK, but nothing special. I'm genuinely confused at why some people are hyping this as some kind of amazing example of character development. There's zero character development. It's just a bunch of people talking over one another at a dinner table.
They really should have decided against the fake-out, mind you. That honestly made it feel like it was getting dangerously close to a parody (even including a dark punchline, of sorts). While I didn't think much of the TED talk piece, either, at least that felt like it had more of a point and set out the theme of the story to come. It retained a serious tone and was all the better for it.
Here? It's like someone couldn't come up with a better idea than having characters verbally f**k around, realised that would be underwhelming, then impulsively went, "Uhh... Pretend there's a birth scene - except not!" That's when it came across as hammy.
Didn't even notice the gay couple, but in fairness, how do we know they aren't bisexual? Never quite understood the logic of Scott's assumptions that everyone on long space journeys away from home would automatically turn bisexual, however... Oil rigs and submarines don't generally lead to that, so spaceships wouldn't magically do so.
I agree that they're probably just specialists, though. You apparently need something like just under half a million people to avoid genetic in-breeding possibilities. Presumably, future colonies, like Hadley's Hope, had people cycling through, seeing as the Sulaco didn't take long to travel there.
So, yes. OK, but they should have come up with a better idea.
The one thing you don't want to do, when promoting a horror film, is to leave the potential audience with an impression of comedy.
QuoteDidn't even notice the gay couple, but in fairness, how do we know they aren't bisexual? Never quite understood the logic of Scott's assumptions that everyone on long space journeys away from home would automatically turn bisexual, however... Oil rigs and submarines don't generally lead to that, so spaceships wouldn't magically do so.
I'm not sure that's what he was getting at. I thought it was more to do with sensibilities changing into the future.
I agree about the character development, but I often think that's just people who don't know any better bandying the term around to appear informed. Like the term 'plot hole'.
It does give us some insight into some characters though. The lacking in confidence 2IC, the judgy gossipy couple talking about McBride and his missus drinking - I don't think that counts as development. We'll appreciate its worth (or lack thereof) when we have the wider context of the rest of the film to compare it to.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 24, 2017, 06:29:30 AM
Was OK, but nothing special. I'm genuinely confused at why some people are hyping this as some kind of amazing example of character development. There's zero character development. It's just a bunch of people talking over one another at a dinner table.
So was most of Alien. I think this is a good thing. And they still have more chemistry than all of the characters in Prometheus combined. Is it high art? No, but neither were the conversations between Parker and Brett. Why are people expecting something other than what the classic was?
QuoteThey really should have decided against the fake-out, mind you. That honestly made it feel like it was getting dangerously close to a parody (even including a dark punchline, of sorts). While I didn't think much of the TED talk piece, either, at least that felt like it had more of a point and set out the theme of the story to come. It retained a serious tone and was all the better for it.
It felt fine to me. I think the point of this footage was to parallel Alien and I think it works. I think it sets the tone of the movie, which, like Alien, includes horror and humor. So what is bad about that, exactly? Also, the TED talk was nothing like how Prometheus actually turned out. It felt very misleading as far as that goes. The question is, is this?
QuoteHere? It's like someone couldn't come up with a better idea than having characters verbally f**k around, realised that would be underwhelming, then impulsively went, "Uhh... Pretend there's a birth scene - except not!" That's when it came across as hammy.
I think they were having someone choke on their dinner. Are you telling me you thought anyone really thought it'd be a "birth" scene? Of course not. It's just a nod, a wink. No harm, no foul, if you ask me.
QuoteDidn't even notice the gay couple, but in fairness, how do we know they aren't bisexual? Never quite understood the logic of Scott's assumptions that everyone on long space journeys away from home would automatically turn bisexual, however... Oil rigs and submarines don't generally lead to that, so spaceships wouldn't magically do so.
Ever heard the phrase, Any port in a storm?
QuoteThe one thing you don't want to do, when promoting a horror film, is to leave the potential audience with an impression of comedy.
Unless you want to catch them off guard, you don't. Maybe Scott has something up his sleeve.
*Fixed the quotes. Hicks.
i was thinking, is interesting to see how the xenomorphs will appear in the movie, symbolically, in Alien it was like the sexual tension/represion came out and started wreaking havoc, and this time they are all couples, and Alien to me was always a very sexual franchise in a certain level, so is interesting what will the antagonist of this new concept will represent
also is just me or the release date has been changed?
Has it, it's still May 15th or thereabouts, ain't it?
I completely lost track of what Enoch and co. were arguing about. But please, stop being antagonist to anyone who disagrees with you. A smiley or a winky face doesn't make it cute or better, it makes it obnoxious. Of course, we're all here to chat about the films. We're not all going to agree but yes, it is nice to have people contribute to the discuss by giving reasons or alternatives. We don't get very far with just "I didn't like this".
I enjoyed the viral. That said, I would have hated it if it was part of the film because it's so obviously designed as being fan winky. I can dig that as a piece of advertising but in the film I would have been rolling my eyes out of my head, especially at that reuse of Parker's dialogue. I just can't stand it when sequels/prequels do that. I agree the fakeout was on the nose but the payoff worked for me.
I liked that we got a look at, however brief, some of the character dynamics. We see McBride being pally with the captain and this seeming to piss off Crudup's character who eventually becomes captain. Ejogo's doctor also seems to dislike Tennessee's wife who leaves her locked up in the trailer. And there's hints of a possible power struggle between Daniels and Crudup.
I actually quite liked the chemistry between everyone. I've got high hopes for McBride and Tennessee and I liked him here. He is a little comic relief at this point but I'm not going to complain right now. We already get some quotable dialogue from him. :laugh:
Was nice to get a bit more from Daniels. Someone mentioned earlier how uncomfortable and wooden she'd seemed during the various interviews. Obviously that's because she was terrified of saying something she shouldn't have but it was nice to see her in character here.
And I'm really disappointed that having gay characters is even an issue for people. I believe firmly in a meritocracy. It shouldn't matter about superficial traits, it should matter about capabilities. If these 2 fellas are good at their job, they're welcome aboard! Also they're hauling thousands of colonists, these 12 or so folk aren't going to be populating a new colony by themselves.
It's also nice to see representation for others when it's still not as accepted as it should be. I've only recently realized just why that is so important to others and I support it. I disagree somewhat when it's a case of it being the only thing about the character (when it is just a token character) but when it's just one part of who that character is (you know, like real people) then I don't think there's any problem. It's only when it's one dimensional that I find it annoying and that'd be the same for any character or point trying to be made. I hope I articulated that properly.
Plus it's a nice nod to Ridley's more sexually open future like he wanted with Alien. And it's nice to see that in a fictional universe, we're still slightly progressive (though Crudup and Ejogo don't seem to agree).
Over all, I enjoyed it. It was fun as a piece of advertising designed to bring back some of the fans that the studio thinks they alienated with Prometheus.
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Feb 23, 2017, 12:43:15 PM
Hey guys, long time lurker, thought I'd jump in on the conversation.
Enjoyed it myself. Thought the scene had a natural feel to it with good chemistry. Laughed along with the banter and thought the character dynamics were interesting, especially Crudup's character, who came across as an uptight, judgemental, conservative type, who's nose looked bent out of joint by the more liberal attitudes of some his crew mates. The scene also gave me more confidence in Waterston's ability as a leading lady.
To those moaning about the chocking scene, I think it was meant to be a homage to John Hurt, and if that's the case, I personally feel its a nice touch. Of course, I wouldn't want such fan service in the film itself, but for a viral AD, I don't see a problem with it.
The key to Covenant being a good movie for me, is going to be down to how well it sells us the tragedy of the situation. Here we have colonists full of hopes and dreams of starting a new life together, only for it to turn into a nightmare. Get that element right and the audience invested emotionally and there's a real chance to make the xeno scary again, something its not really been since the original.
Anyway, I'm more upbeat after this than I was following the trailer and will be looking forward to more viral stuff in the coming weeks.
Well, lowbrow Hollywood isn't beyond making sober reliable conservatives look bad n drunkard liberal hobo pilots in charge of safety of thousands of colonists look good.
I bet if u were one of the colonists u would pick differently.
Corporal, you are right on the track ;D
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 24, 2017, 08:03:21 AM
Has it, it's still May 15th or thereabouts, ain't it?
it seems so, i tought it was on march and got scared it was moved, iguess i am just anxious lol
Crudup and Ejogo might be a religious couple, possibly.
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Feb 24, 2017, 08:50:34 AM
Crudup and Ejogo might be a religious couple, possibly.
Hmmm - that would be interesting... although it would be a bit cliche if they were portrayed as antagonistic 'bible bashers', but a conflict of faith is worth further examination (something only touched on in Prometheus).
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Doubtful there will be many gays in the future, they are already few. People will be able to choose all kinds of traits their kids will be born with, looks, intelligence, health etc. People who want kids by extension will want grandkids n will have the choice to have their kids be hetero or homo, since the latter is pointless almost nobody will discard the choice to have a straight kid n it will be easier to identify with. To consciously chose a gay kid would be odd n not out of homophobia just it's not what people r looking for. Gays come about because of chance, once parents can remove chance, the gay community will plummet. Won't be much homophobia at least there hardly will be anyone around to be homophobic to.
i am glad to see this viral clip is getting so many likes on youtube. .despite some negativity in the comment section. .what was most disturbing was the homophobic comments on their msg boards. . .as a gay man i am obviously quite thrilled by the inclution of a gay couple. .pity they not exactly eye candy. .not complaining tho. .at least they not the stereotypical screaming queen variety either. . Overall i loved the clip . . . Just thought the editing was a bit off. . But thats a minor complaint. . Really enjoyed the chemistry of all the characters. .
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Doubtful there will be many gays in the future, they are already few. People will be able to choose all kinds of traits their kids will be born with, looks, intelligence, health etc. People who want kids by extension will want grandkids n will have the choice to have their kids be hetero or homo, since the latter is pointless almost nobody will discard the choice to have a straight kid n it will be easier to identify with. To consciously chose a gay kid would be odd n not out of homophobia just it's not what people r looking for. Gays come about because of chance, once parents can remove chance, the gay community will plummet. Won't be much homophobia at least there hardly will be anyone around to be homophobic to.
Seriously? Maybe in the future they'll be a pill for eradicating bigotry?
Perhaps that's a trait that we could choose be removed from children? And this is exactly why I'm learning that representation is so important. Thankfully not everyone holds such backward views. I am disappointed to see it crawling out of the political board though. I thought that was the cesspit for that kind of commentary.
There's a book that Ridley was once attached to direct a film of called The Forever War. It's basically an allegory on Vietnam, about changing sentiments on the war they're fighting and coming back home to a completely different place but this one is amplified because of time dilation effects and etc.
One of the things I found fascinating about The Forever War was that at one point, when the soldiers returned home, being straight was considered a massive abnormality. I can't remember the specifics but I think it was due to overpopulation and being a "breeder" was something that people just didn't seem to be anymore.
I wasn't aware of that one Hicks... Sounds interesting - I'll have to look that up.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 09:18:53 AM
One of the things I found fascinating about The Forever War was that at one point, when the soldiers returned home, being straight was considered a massive abnormality. I can't remember the specifics but I think it was due to overpopulation and being a "breeder" was something that people just didn't seem to be anymore.
You're right. It was about overpopulation and homosexuality became officially encouraged by governments. Because of that change main protagonist Mandella felt alienated within society as a human being and as a leader.
By the way,
The Forever War is great book.
I believe there's some controversy over the way he writes it (iirc it comes across as homophobic in its portrayal), but the very notion I found fascinating.
"I've got you're back" - perhaps a sly reference to the "backburster" and Walter's possible involvement? ;)
Quote from: Game_Over_Man on Feb 24, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
"I've got you're back" - perhaps a sly reference to the "backburster" and Walter's possible involvement? ;)
Definitely a wink at the backburster.
I thought it was decent. I agree with some of the comments on the whole fake-out bit (mainly the use of Parker's line, as Hicks said), but didn't think it was that big of a deal. Given that a lot of viral video marketing for movies consists of stuff that's usually kind of disconnected from the real fabric of the film, I thought it was an interesting approach to simply share a moment with all the characters together, interacting in the setting we'll be seeing them in. I appreciated the more naturalistic quality of the dialogue and performance, which, in all honesty, I thought came across better than just about anything in Prometheus. I guess we'll see how it all holds together with Ridley behind the wheel.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 08:19:31 AM
And I'm really disappointed that having gay characters is even an issue for people. I believe firmly in a meritocracy. It shouldn't matter about superficial traits, it should matter about capabilities. If these 2 fellas are good at their job, they're welcome aboard! Also they're hauling thousands of colonists, these 12 or so folk aren't going to be populating a new colony by themselves.
Agree. Additionally some heterosexual couples don't want to have children at all. It's up to them.
Not every colonists couple will live happily ever after especially once they established colony on the foreign planet. There's nowhere to go. No way back home. Some people would struggle to live with each other in such a 'claustrophobic' environment. Life verifies everything. It's not a fairy tale.
Homosexuality is a healthy variation of human (ANIMAL) sexual orientation. Yes, that's the current opinion.
Its acceptable within the boundaries of personal sexual orientation but not acceptable as something
universally preferable. That's why I m against hyperbolised and excessive (WIDE AND PUBLIC) promotion of any sexual orientation which is a matter of personal sphere of life. It would have been better to promote family life (no matter who is
the parent, same sex or not), values, respect, love, equality of rights and duties, of universal law...
Its stupid... imagine a market promoting and selling only materials for sneakers, all the variations,
all the textures and different colors... but not all would know how to make a real and useful, long lasting sneakers.
Sexual orientation without the understanding of natural laws of reason of common sense and HEALTHY values is just
a promotion of raw materials no one would know hot to use. Or other way around... you are promoting a product designed for a use which is still not defined. This too applies to heterosexuality. Just monitor the incidence of divorces and domestic violence...
Quote from: Darth Vile on Feb 24, 2017, 09:12:33 AM
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Doubtful there will be many gays in the future, they are already few. People will be able to choose all kinds of traits their kids will be born with, looks, intelligence, health etc. People who want kids by extension will want grandkids n will have the choice to have their kids be hetero or homo, since the latter is pointless almost nobody will discard the choice to have a straight kid n it will be easier to identify with. To consciously chose a gay kid would be odd n not out of homophobia just it's not what people r looking for. Gays come about because of chance, once parents can remove chance, the gay community will plummet. Won't be much homophobia at least there hardly will be anyone around to be homophobic to.
Seriously? Maybe in the future they'll be a pill for eradicating bigotry?
There certainy will be a lot smarter people who can argue n not throw insult as first reply.
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Doubtful there will be many gays in the future, they are already few. People will be able to choose all kinds of traits their kids will be born with, looks, intelligence, health etc. People who want kids by extension will want grandkids n will have the choice to have their kids be hetero or homo, since the latter is pointless almost nobody will discard the choice to have a straight kid n it will be easier to identify with. To consciously chose a gay kid would be odd n not out of homophobia just it's not what people r looking for. Gays come about because of chance, once parents can remove chance, the gay community will plummet. Won't be much homophobia at least there hardly will be anyone around to be homophobic to.
Just ..... wow. I'm so pleased I don't have to interact with somebody like you in real life.
Quote from: imbrie on Feb 24, 2017, 11:19:55 AM
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Doubtful there will be many gays in the future, they are already few. People will be able to choose all kinds of traits their kids will be born with, looks, intelligence, health etc. People who want kids by extension will want grandkids n will have the choice to have their kids be hetero or homo, since the latter is pointless almost nobody will discard the choice to have a straight kid n it will be easier to identify with. To consciously chose a gay kid would be odd n not out of homophobia just it's not what people r looking for. Gays come about because of chance, once parents can remove chance, the gay community will plummet. Won't be much homophobia at least there hardly will be anyone around to be homophobic to.
Just ..... wow. I'm so pleased I don't have to interact with somebody like you in real life.
I would love to meet a person like that... They would regret the day their momma laid down with their daddy that's for sure.
Side note:
On the subject of
choosing maybe choice could be made that prevent straight child who may (Child Abuse, rapes, domestic violence, dead beat parenting.) from them repeating that pattern in society??
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 11:15:41 AM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Feb 24, 2017, 09:12:33 AM
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Doubtful there will be many gays in the future, they are already few. People will be able to choose all kinds of traits their kids will be born with, looks, intelligence, health etc. People who want kids by extension will want grandkids n will have the choice to have their kids be hetero or homo, since the latter is pointless almost nobody will discard the choice to have a straight kid n it will be easier to identify with. To consciously chose a gay kid would be odd n not out of homophobia just it's not what people r looking for. Gays come about because of chance, once parents can remove chance, the gay community will plummet. Won't be much homophobia at least there hardly will be anyone around to be homophobic to.
Seriously? Maybe in the future they'll be a pill for eradicating bigotry?
There certainy will be a lot smarter people who can argue n not throw insult as first reply.
I'm not sure it's an insult to hope that when we're all living on spaceships, and 'stuff', that they will have cured bigotry. Only a bigot would feel insulted at that surely?
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 24, 2017, 07:56:11 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 24, 2017, 06:29:30 AM
Was OK, but nothing special. I'm genuinely confused at why some people are hyping this as some kind of amazing example of character development. There's zero character development. It's just a bunch of people talking over one another at a dinner table.
So was most of Alien. I think this is a good thing. And they still have more chemistry than all of the characters in Prometheus combined. Is it high art? No, but neither were the conversations between Parker and Brett. Why are people expecting something other than what the classic was?
It was a good thing for Alien. That was 38 years ago. But Alien was lightning in a bottle. Scott didn't need a silly viral video to make the movie go. Indeed, everyone had their hands full making the actual movie. One would think that it could be done better by now, but no one has done it. Hollywood has tried over and over. Now you have Scott trying again to do the same old thing but better, and he already failed. This movie might be okay. It will probably make a mountain of money, too. But it won't top the original, won't come close. It won't really say anything different, except it will probably detract from the original by explaining too much and being too much about David 8 making the creature. In his poorly-executed effort to tell us about the big guy in the chair, Scott is systematically draining away the mystery and wonder of the original. This viral scene reinforces the idea that nothing new is on offer here. All anyone can do is try to replicate the magic of the original, but it can't be done. And that is why this viral video fails.
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 23, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 23, 2017, 04:12:54 PM
Just a comment from Youtube:
QuoteWhat Hudson would say to the two gays:
"Right right! Someone said colony ship and they thought they said colon ship and signed up."ļ»æ
I noticed that comment on youtube too hahaha ;D
I actually liked that banter, idk why people thought it was lame. I mean is every normal friend group conversations always have to be golden?
And why are people getting their panties in a twist about the gay couple? Its the future, hello, same sex marriage was legitimized not too long ago, and by that story's time period, things must have improved. People disappoint me alot these days.
I'm looking forward to the movie now more than ever, can't wait!
Doubtful there will be many gays in the future, they are already few. People will be able to choose all kinds of traits their kids will be born with, looks, intelligence, health etc. People who want kids by extension will want grandkids n will have the choice to have their kids be hetero or homo, since the latter is pointless almost nobody will discard the choice to have a straight kid n it will be easier to identify with. To consciously chose a gay kid would be odd n not out of homophobia just it's not what people r looking for. Gays come about because of chance, once parents can remove chance, the gay community will plummet. Won't be much homophobia at least there hardly will be anyone around to be homophobic to.
I kind of wish that the main character was a transgendered homosexual purely to irritate to the bigots like you. One day this will happen.
Alright, let's steer back on topic. And I'm make it clear right now - anti-gay sentiments aren't going to be tolerated here. I don't consider ignorance as bliss.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 11:42:40 AM
Alright, let's steer back to topic. And I'm make it clear right now - anti-gay opinions aren't going to be tolerated here.
Not anti-gay, but rather anti-decency opinions coming from all so called sides.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 11:42:40 AM
Alright, let's steer back to topic. And I'm make it clear right now - anti-gay opinions aren't going to be tolerated here.
Not anti-gay, but rather anti-decency opinions coming from all so called sides.
It matters now because of people like Astronoe. These aren't commercials for sexuality. They're not showing up on your doorstep trying to convert you like your earlier post suggests. The selling of trainers and showing that there are more ways of life are completely different things. It matters so people don't have to hide and think they have any reason to be ashamed.
And sniped. Unacceptable post. And thanks for joining, Astro. See you around. *dictator hat on*
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 11:50:17 AM
It matters now because of people like Astronoe. These aren't commercials for sexuality. They're not showing up on your doorstep trying to convert you like your earlier post suggests. The selling of trainers and showing that there are more ways of life are completely different things. It matters so people don't have to hide and be ashamed.
And thanks for joining, Astro. See you around. *dictator hat on*
That was not the point of my post... :laugh:
I used word promotion and used selling of product as metaphor.
They "promote"/speak about homosexuality but forget to tell what it means... Ultimately its not about homosexuality or heterosexuality but rather about the system of values, respect, love... I just wanted to show how everything is made trivial these days. Just because we exalt trivialized things, everything is turning into conflict etc.
QuoteIts stupid... imagine a market promoting and selling only materials for sneakers, all the variations,
all the textures and different colors... but not all would know how to make a real and useful, long lasting sneakers.
Sexual orientation (ANY) without the understanding of natural laws of reason of common sense and HEALTHY values is just
a promotion of raw materials no one would know hot to use. [Its just a shape without properties and therefore trivialized thing.] Or other way around... you are promoting a product designed for a use which is still not defined. This too applies to heterosexuality. Just monitor the incidence of divorces and domestic violence...
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Feb 24, 2017, 11:32:27 AM
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 24, 2017, 07:56:11 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 24, 2017, 06:29:30 AM
Was OK, but nothing special. I'm genuinely confused at why some people are hyping this as some kind of amazing example of character development. There's zero character development. It's just a bunch of people talking over one another at a dinner table.
So was most of Alien. I think this is a good thing. And they still have more chemistry than all of the characters in Prometheus combined. Is it high art? No, but neither were the conversations between Parker and Brett. Why are people expecting something other than what the classic was?
It was a good thing for Alien. That was 38 years ago. But Alien was lightning in a bottle. Scott didn't need a silly viral video to make the movie go. Indeed, everyone had their hands full making the actual movie. One would think that it could be done better by now, but no one has done it. Hollywood has tried over and over. Now you have Scott trying again to do the same old thing but better, and he already failed. This movie might be okay. It will probably make a mountain of money, too. But it won't top the original, won't come close. It won't really say anything different, except it will probably detract from the original by explaining too much and being too much about David 8 making the creature. In his poorly-executed effort to tell us about the big guy in the chair, Scott is systematically draining away the mystery and wonder of the original. This viral scene reinforces the idea that nothing new is on offer here. All anyone can do is try to replicate the magic of the original, but it can't be done. And that is why this viral video fails.
I have a tendency to believe that Hollywood make far too many sequels and remakes... often at the expense of original ideas. However, the original film (Alien obviously) still exists, and can still be watched as a standalone film in its own right... nothing changes... just like Jaws, A New Hope or Raiders of the Lost Ark. Of course it can be argued that some of the mystery is lost e.g. who was the space jockey? Where did the eggs come from? But I don't believe that this element of mystery is fundamental to the appreciation of the original film. Alien Covenant is probably the last opportunity to make a film, which is connected to the originals, whilst being able to give it a new perspective. I think there's every chance it can be a worthwhile venture, even whilst acknowledging it will more than likely fall short of Alien/Aliens... in terms of originality, design etc.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 11:54:55 AM
That was not the point of my post... :laugh:
I used word promotion and used selling of product as metaphor.
Then you want to use a word to correctly articulate what you mean because you didn't come across in any meaningful way with that post.
QuoteThey "promote"/speak about homosexuality but forget to tell what it means... Ultimately its not about homosexuality or heterosexuality but rather about the system of values, respect, love... I just wanted to show how everything is made trivial these days. Just because we exalt trivialized things, everything is turning into conflict etc.
And what does homosexuality "mean"? They're not "promoting" anything. They are there. Being themselves. It's people that make a big deal out of this that cause the conflict. This shouldn't be an issue.
QuoteAnd what does homosexuality "mean"? They're not "promoting" anything. They are there. Being themselves. It's people that make a big deal out of this that cause the conflict. This shouldn't be an issue.
Yes. But as I said it doesnt matter if you are a gay or hetero... its just the shape... only the property matters.
THEY PROMOTE... I was speaking about anyone... press, other people, even gays themselves. Emphasis of
shapes, colors... but never on properties and qualities!!!
I have no idea what Enoch is saying or trying to say in half of these messages. I am under the assumption that English is not his first language.
I m under the assumption that even though English is your first language, you could
never understand my reasoning... because you simply refuse to do so.
I m simply speaking about both gays and everyone else...Not labeling anyone, but presenting
the real problem behind this "conflict". It s not about orientation (thats just a small segment of everything), lets
develop normal system of values and we ll never again discuss any "differences" of sexual orientation.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 12:06:15 PM
Yes. But as I said it doesnt matter if you are a gay or hetero... its just the shape... only the property matters.
I think you're trying to say is what I said previously - that it's the capabilities of the individual that should matter, not any trait like race, sexual orientation, etc? If so then yes, I completely agree. It shouldn't matter in the real world.
Unfortunately, there's still some who believe it does which is why it's important to have gay characters just doing their thing and being more than just a token gay character.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I m under the assumption that even though English is your first language, you could
never understand my reasoning... because you simply refuse to do so.
No, I think he simply didn't understand how you were articulating yourself. I was struggling their myself.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Feb 24, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Feb 24, 2017, 11:32:27 AM
It was a good thing for Alien. That was 38 years ago. But Alien was lightning in a bottle. Scott didn't need a silly viral video to make the movie go. Indeed, everyone had their hands full making the actual movie. One would think that it could be done better by now, but no one has done it. Hollywood has tried over and over. Now you have Scott trying again to do the same old thing but better, and he already failed. This movie might be okay. It will probably make a mountain of money, too. But it won't top the original, won't come close. It won't really say anything different, except it will probably detract from the original by explaining too much and being too much about David 8 making the creature. In his poorly-executed effort to tell us about the big guy in the chair, Scott is systematically draining away the mystery and wonder of the original. This viral scene reinforces the idea that nothing new is on offer here. All anyone can do is try to replicate the magic of the original, but it can't be done. And that is why this viral video fails.
I have a tendency to believe that Hollywood make far too many sequels and remakes... often at the expense of original ideas. However, the original film (Alien obviously) still exists, and can still be watched as a standalone film in its own right... nothing changes... just like Jaws, A New Hope or Raiders of the Lost Ark. Of course it can be argued that some of the mystery is lost e.g. who was the space jockey? Where did the eggs come from? But I don't believe that this element of mystery is fundamental to the appreciation of the original film. Alien Covenant is probably the last opportunity to make a film, which is connected to the originals, whilst being able to give it a new perspective. I think there's every chance it can be a worthwhile venture, even whilst acknowledging it will more than likely fall short of Alien/Aliens... in terms of originality, design etc.
Remakes are usually a waste of time. Sequels can be good. They can even be better than the originals, but they do get tired. The problem here with the space jockeys and eggs is, where they came from is laughable. The space jockey is actually the encounter suit for big, pale, bald men. Ash's precursor made the eggs and the creature. Really? ::) It's ridiculous, but you can watch the 38-year-old movie and sometimes still see something new. In 38 years, is anyone going to watch or care about Covenant?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
I think you're trying to say is what I said previously - that it's the capabilities of the individual that should matter, not any trait like race, sexual orientation, etc? If so then yes, I completely agree. It shouldn't matter in the real world.
Unfortunately, there's still some who believe it does which is why it's important to have gay characters just doing their thing and being more than just a token gay character.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I m under the assumption that even though English is your first language, you could
never understand my reasoning... because you simply refuse to do so.
No, I think he simply didn't understand how you were articulating yourself. I was struggling their myself.
Indeed. That is the point, but expressed in a much broader way. Sorry for the struggle, but life is struggle... :)
QuoteI think you're trying to say is what I said previously - that it's the capabilities of the individual that should matter, not any trait like race, sexual orientation, etc? If so then yes, I completely agree. It shouldn't matter in the real world.
I even wrote the same thing on previous pages... but then wanted to generalize the problem in my recent post.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
I m under the assumption that even though English is your first language, you could
never understand my reasoning... because you simply refuse to do so.
No, I genuinely just don't understand the meanings of the paragraphs you're putting together sometimes. They're vague and rambling and not terribly easy to read.
Well thats my style. ;D
The point is there... maybe someone will understand
my honest intentions hovering somewhere between those paragraphs.
Maybe the best metaphor:
What does it matter what flag is flying over the desert when no one can live in the desert.
There is nothing in the desert and no man needs nothing! Flags are not important! Hope you understand that.
You quote philosophers talking about the need for understanding and comprehension, then make yourself as needlessly, pretentiously obtuse as possible.
It is incredibly frustrating at times. How are people supposed to engage in meaningful and informed discussions with you if you're being intentionally confusing? You elicit conflict by doing that.
:D :)
Maybe, but I m at least pretentiously obtuse and HONEST in good intentions.
Eliciting conflict is not what I want... on the contrary.
See that sentence doesn't actually mean anything. The second half kind of wanders off from the first half. What honest good intentions? We don't know what you're talking about. How are we supposed to participate here?
I m trying to show how futile is discussion about
homosexuality, heterosexuality... its unimportant even if you are both
of those things when you do not posses quality properties e.g.
values, understanding of morality, love, ... Simple as that.
Without the later... the first becomes only the matter of form thus
utterly trivialized thing.
What matters is to be a good human being... whether homosexual, hetero or something third
is completely irrelevant.
... are you trying to say "It doesn't matter what your orientation is if you're a shitty person"?
Cos if you are, why the hell are you not just saying that? Why do you need to take three disjointed sentences to get out one thought? ???
I'd suggest stopping. You've only managed to confuse and frustrate other users. I've only just understood we were both trying to say the same thing. Let's not go around in circles.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2017, 12:36:55 PM
... are you trying to say "It doesn't matter what your orientation is if you're a shitty person"?
Cos if you are, why the hell are you not just saying that? Why do you need to take three disjointed sentences to get out one thought? ???
Thats the part of it. Yes. Because every sentence of those three possess particular meaning, disjointed from the previous one. Trivialization makes things go bad... thats why I need three more sentences and not only one short sentence. Well I think there is no reason for confusion and frustration...
This thread has become derailed by pretentious ramblings.
Let's leave it at that there is a gay couple on the Covenant. Who cares. If you do then you are backward thinking and need to take a step back and look at the world.
Is there any info on this sneak peak. I may have missed it. I don't want to have to go back and read all this ball that I have just seen looking at the last few pages.
New trailer for Covenant will most likely be attached to Logan, apparently there are lots of xenomorph shots
Got a link? Same place as the first trailer description?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 12:52:02 PM
Got a link? Same place as the first trailer description?
It's the guy on SuperheroHype forum whose friend gets to see films/trailers early./ You can take that info to the bank, he is always right http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34851057&postcount=990
Yeah, just found it. :) Thanks. He's the same fella that provided the earlier description. Didn't end up completely as advertised but he got the shower scene right.
Quote from: harlequinade on Feb 24, 2017, 12:50:56 PM
New trailer for Covenant will most likely be attached to Logan, apparently there are lots of xenomorph shots
Xenomorphs shots? ;D
Sounds cool. I'll be happy to see. New trailer. If it is attached to Logan that's not to far away.
Nice, going to see Logan with a big group in the near future.
Quote from: harlequinade on Feb 24, 2017, 12:56:09 PM
You can take that info to the bank
To the blood bank... DUN DUN DUNDUNDUN
And dare I say it, I find all of these characters to be far more watchable and less annoying than Lambert. :P
Quote from: Astronoƫ on Feb 24, 2017, 08:31:09 AM
Well, lowbrow Hollywood isn't beyond making sober reliable conservatives look bad n drunkard liberal hobo pilots in charge of safety of thousands of colonists look good.
I bet if u were one of the colonists u would pick differently.
Calm down, I wasn't making a political statement, just an observation about the dynamics of the scene.
One of the things I disliked most about Prometheus, was the lack of professionalism from the crew and the irrational, idiotic ways they behaved; so I wouldn't want to see it repeated in Covenant.
And yes, If I were one of the colonists, I would prefer a firm hand on the tiller. However, at a party, I don't think a sober conservative would be my first choice. ;)
I was looking on the SuperHeroHype forum and I found this:
Spoiler
"The spaceship Covenant is transporting frozen embryos to a human colony on a faraway planet when they receive a distress signal from Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), from the Prometheus expedition, which disappeared 10 years prior. The crew is brought out of hypersleep to answer to the signal, which leads to the death of the Covenant's captain, Branson (James Franco). His wife, Daniels (Katherine Waterson), is deeply affected by the accident, while Branson's first officer Archer (Billy Crudup) is made captain. The Covenant is piloted by Daniels's friend Tennessee (Danny McBride) and the crew is aided by an android, Walter (Michael Fassbender).
The Covenant follows Shaw's signal to Paradise, an uncharted forest planet and homeworld of the Engineers, the ancient extraterrestrials that seeded life on Earth and then sought to the destroy it. The Engineers' secret weapon, the black ooze, has spread through Paradise, turning it into a wasteland. The Covenant's crew ventures outside their ship and some of its members are exposed to spores released by plants infected by the ooze. It is determined they've contracted an alien pathogen and Archer has them quarantined aboard the Covenant.
Monstrous creatures known as "Neomorphs" burst from the infected crewmen's bodies and begin slaughtering the crew, forcing the survivors to flee into the forest, where they are rescued from the Neomorphs by David (Michael Fassbender), the sole survivor of the Prometheus crew. He reveals that Shaw sacrificed herself to crash a spaceship against Paradise's surface, exposing the Engineers to the black ooze to prevent them from destroying Earth, leaving him stranded on Paradise.
David leads the survivors back to the Engineers' derelict citadel, where he's been living ever since. Walter mistrusts David, who is not behaving in accordance with their programming, and finds out that David in fact murdered Shaw. David's mind has been warped by the numerous modifications that his creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), made to his programming during the Prometheus's expedition, and is obsessed with creating the "perfect organism". He exposed numerous lifeforms on Paradise, including Shaw, to the black ooze and, after numerous failed attempts, has created an alien egg, which produces a facehugger that latches itself to Archer, leading to the birth of a Primal Xenomorph.
Daniels and Tennessee realize David is controlling the Neomorphs and escape back to the Covenant with Walter in order to leave Paradise. Together, Daniels and Tennessee manage to kill the Primal Xenomorph and the Neomorphs and detonate explosives to destroy David's laboratory, with David himself apparently perishing in the explosion.
After escaping, Daniels and Tennessee place themselves back in hypersleep to continue their voyage to the colony, unaware that David has killed Walter and stolen his identity to leave Paradise. David secretly plants two alien egg embryos among the human frozen embryos that the Covenant is transporting to proceed to the next phase of his experiment.
Possibly the next movie will show how engineers were not THE benevolant higher power beings we wanted them to be,they were just a race being pawns of another higher race or higher power but stronger and a lot more advanced within the same race.The engineers we see in lv 223 and 426 are not the same we will see in covenant. The covenant ones are not as advanced...they are like a "primal indigenous" version of the true engineers who mastered the black goo chemical,this engineers are evil and the next sequels will cover more about them and what the black goo is trully capable of,i heard the idea we will follow is that the xenomorph as we know it was never the ultimate organism just one of the variations of the very first "creature" the chemical was made off, at this moment we see the xeno as the big bad beast(queen mostly) but i believe we will have another one to worship as the true perfect organisms.
Sound pretty interesting. Most of it isn't new, but the end part is, I think. If the movie after Covenant is indeed like this person describes, I think it would be pretty cool. But Covenant isn't even out yet so anything can still happen, of course.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 24, 2017, 01:57:32 PM
I was looking on the SuperHeroHype forum and I found this:
Spoiler
"The spaceship Covenant is transporting frozen embryos to a human colony on a faraway planet when they receive a distress signal from Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), from the Prometheus expedition, which disappeared 10 years prior. The crew is brought out of hypersleep to answer to the signal, which leads to the death of the Covenant's captain, Branson (James Franco). His wife, Daniels (Katherine Waterson), is deeply affected by the accident, while Branson's first officer Archer (Billy Crudup) is made captain. The Covenant is piloted by Daniels's friend Tennessee (Danny McBride) and the crew is aided by an android, Walter (Michael Fassbender).
The Covenant follows Shaw's signal to Paradise, an uncharted forest planet and homeworld of the Engineers, the ancient extraterrestrials that seeded life on Earth and then sought to the destroy it. The Engineers' secret weapon, the black ooze, has spread through Paradise, turning it into a wasteland. The Covenant's crew ventures outside their ship and some of its members are exposed to spores released by plants infected by the ooze. It is determined they've contracted an alien pathogen and Archer has them quarantined aboard the Covenant.
Monstrous creatures known as "Neomorphs" burst from the infected crewmen's bodies and begin slaughtering the crew, forcing the survivors to flee into the forest, where they are rescued from the Neomorphs by David (Michael Fassbender), the sole survivor of the Prometheus crew. He reveals that Shaw sacrificed herself to crash a spaceship against Paradise's surface, exposing the Engineers to the black ooze to prevent them from destroying Earth, leaving him stranded on Paradise.
David leads the survivors back to the Engineers' derelict citadel, where he's been living ever since. Walter mistrusts David, who is not behaving in accordance with their programming, and finds out that David in fact murdered Shaw. David's mind has been warped by the numerous modifications that his creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), made to his programming during the Prometheus's expedition, and is obsessed with creating the "perfect organism". He exposed numerous lifeforms on Paradise, including Shaw, to the black ooze and, after numerous failed attempts, has created an alien egg, which produces a facehugger that latches itself to Archer, leading to the birth of a Primal Xenomorph.
Daniels and Tennessee realize David is controlling the Neomorphs and escape back to the Covenant with Walter in order to leave Paradise. Together, Daniels and Tennessee manage to kill the Primal Xenomorph and the Neomorphs and detonate explosives to destroy David's laboratory, with David himself apparently perishing in the explosion.
After escaping, Daniels and Tennessee place themselves back in hypersleep to continue their voyage to the colony, unaware that David has killed Walter and stolen his identity to leave Paradise. David secretly plants two alien egg embryos among the human frozen embryos that the Covenant is transporting to proceed to the next phase of his experiment.
Possibly the next movie will show how engineers were not THE benevolant higher power beings we wanted them to be,they were just a race being pawns of another higher race or higher power but stronger and a lot more advanced within the same race.The engineers we see in lv 223 and 426 are not the same we will see in covenant. The covenant ones are not as advanced...they are like a "primal indigenous" version of the true engineers who mastered the black goo chemical,this engineers are evil and the next sequels will cover more about them and what the black goo is trully capable of,i heard the idea we will follow is that the xenomorph as we know it was never the ultimate organism just one of the variations of the very first "creature" the chemical was made off, at this moment we see the xeno as the big bad beast(queen mostly) but i believe we will have another one to worship as the true perfect organisms.
Very interesting.
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 24, 2017, 01:57:32 PM
I was looking on the SuperHeroHype forum and I found this:
Spoiler
"The spaceship Covenant is transporting frozen embryos to a human colony on a faraway planet when they receive a distress signal from Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), from the Prometheus expedition, which disappeared 10 years prior. The crew is brought out of hypersleep to answer to the signal, which leads to the death of the Covenant's captain, Branson (James Franco). His wife, Daniels (Katherine Waterson), is deeply affected by the accident, while Branson's first officer Archer (Billy Crudup) is made captain. The Covenant is piloted by Daniels's friend Tennessee (Danny McBride) and the crew is aided by an android, Walter (Michael Fassbender).
The Covenant follows Shaw's signal to Paradise, an uncharted forest planet and homeworld of the Engineers, the ancient extraterrestrials that seeded life on Earth and then sought to the destroy it. The Engineers' secret weapon, the black ooze, has spread through Paradise, turning it into a wasteland. The Covenant's crew ventures outside their ship and some of its members are exposed to spores released by plants infected by the ooze. It is determined they've contracted an alien pathogen and Archer has them quarantined aboard the Covenant.
Monstrous creatures known as "Neomorphs" burst from the infected crewmen's bodies and begin slaughtering the crew, forcing the survivors to flee into the forest, where they are rescued from the Neomorphs by David (Michael Fassbender), the sole survivor of the Prometheus crew. He reveals that Shaw sacrificed herself to crash a spaceship against Paradise's surface, exposing the Engineers to the black ooze to prevent them from destroying Earth, leaving him stranded on Paradise.
David leads the survivors back to the Engineers' derelict citadel, where he's been living ever since. Walter mistrusts David, who is not behaving in accordance with their programming, and finds out that David in fact murdered Shaw. David's mind has been warped by the numerous modifications that his creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), made to his programming during the Prometheus's expedition, and is obsessed with creating the "perfect organism". He exposed numerous lifeforms on Paradise, including Shaw, to the black ooze and, after numerous failed attempts, has created an alien egg, which produces a facehugger that latches itself to Archer, leading to the birth of a Primal Xenomorph.
Daniels and Tennessee realize David is controlling the Neomorphs and escape back to the Covenant with Walter in order to leave Paradise. Together, Daniels and Tennessee manage to kill the Primal Xenomorph and the Neomorphs and detonate explosives to destroy David's laboratory, with David himself apparently perishing in the explosion.
After escaping, Daniels and Tennessee place themselves back in hypersleep to continue their voyage to the colony, unaware that David has killed Walter and stolen his identity to leave Paradise. David secretly plants two alien egg embryos among the human frozen embryos that the Covenant is transporting to proceed to the next phase of his experiment.
Possibly the next movie will show how engineers were not THE benevolant higher power beings we wanted them to be,they were just a race being pawns of another higher race or higher power but stronger and a lot more advanced within the same race.The engineers we see in lv 223 and 426 are not the same we will see in covenant. The covenant ones are not as advanced...they are like a "primal indigenous" version of the true engineers who mastered the black goo chemical,this engineers are evil and the next sequels will cover more about them and what the black goo is trully capable of,i heard the idea we will follow is that the xenomorph as we know it was never the ultimate organism just one of the variations of the very first "creature" the chemical was made off, at this moment we see the xeno as the big bad beast(queen mostly) but i believe we will have another one to worship as the true perfect organisms.
Well, shit, I think I just spoiled myselfāwhy couldn't I stop myself? Needless to say.... this sounds really awesome! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: lv_226 on Feb 24, 2017, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 24, 2017, 01:57:32 PM
I was looking on the SuperHeroHype forum and I found this:
Spoiler
"The spaceship Covenant is transporting frozen embryos to a human colony on a faraway planet when they receive a distress signal from Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), from the Prometheus expedition, which disappeared 10 years prior. The crew is brought out of hypersleep to answer to the signal, which leads to the death of the Covenant's captain, Branson (James Franco). His wife, Daniels (Katherine Waterson), is deeply affected by the accident, while Branson's first officer Archer (Billy Crudup) is made captain. The Covenant is piloted by Daniels's friend Tennessee (Danny McBride) and the crew is aided by an android, Walter (Michael Fassbender).
The Covenant follows Shaw's signal to Paradise, an uncharted forest planet and homeworld of the Engineers, the ancient extraterrestrials that seeded life on Earth and then sought to the destroy it. The Engineers' secret weapon, the black ooze, has spread through Paradise, turning it into a wasteland. The Covenant's crew ventures outside their ship and some of its members are exposed to spores released by plants infected by the ooze. It is determined they've contracted an alien pathogen and Archer has them quarantined aboard the Covenant.
Monstrous creatures known as "Neomorphs" burst from the infected crewmen's bodies and begin slaughtering the crew, forcing the survivors to flee into the forest, where they are rescued from the Neomorphs by David (Michael Fassbender), the sole survivor of the Prometheus crew. He reveals that Shaw sacrificed herself to crash a spaceship against Paradise's surface, exposing the Engineers to the black ooze to prevent them from destroying Earth, leaving him stranded on Paradise.
David leads the survivors back to the Engineers' derelict citadel, where he's been living ever since. Walter mistrusts David, who is not behaving in accordance with their programming, and finds out that David in fact murdered Shaw. David's mind has been warped by the numerous modifications that his creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), made to his programming during the Prometheus's expedition, and is obsessed with creating the "perfect organism". He exposed numerous lifeforms on Paradise, including Shaw, to the black ooze and, after numerous failed attempts, has created an alien egg, which produces a facehugger that latches itself to Archer, leading to the birth of a Primal Xenomorph.
Daniels and Tennessee realize David is controlling the Neomorphs and escape back to the Covenant with Walter in order to leave Paradise. Together, Daniels and Tennessee manage to kill the Primal Xenomorph and the Neomorphs and detonate explosives to destroy David's laboratory, with David himself apparently perishing in the explosion.
After escaping, Daniels and Tennessee place themselves back in hypersleep to continue their voyage to the colony, unaware that David has killed Walter and stolen his identity to leave Paradise. David secretly plants two alien egg embryos among the human frozen embryos that the Covenant is transporting to proceed to the next phase of his experiment.
Possibly the next movie will show how engineers were not THE benevolant higher power beings we wanted them to be,they were just a race being pawns of another higher race or higher power but stronger and a lot more advanced within the same race.The engineers we see in lv 223 and 426 are not the same we will see in covenant. The covenant ones are not as advanced...they are like a "primal indigenous" version of the true engineers who mastered the black goo chemical,this engineers are evil and the next sequels will cover more about them and what the black goo is trully capable of,i heard the idea we will follow is that the xenomorph as we know it was never the ultimate organism just one of the variations of the very first "creature" the chemical was made off, at this moment we see the xeno as the big bad beast(queen mostly) but i believe we will have another one to worship as the true perfect organisms.
Well, shit, I think I just spoiled myselfāwhy couldn't I stop myself? Needless to say.... this sounds really awesome! ;D ;D ;D
Haha, well at least you enjoyed it, so that's good. The movie is going to be awesome indeed, I think. Can't wait for the new trailer.
I'm glad most of you enjoyed the prologue, I did as well.
I think it was a great idea to have a predominance of couples because that might make the audience more invested in their relationships and genuinely distraught when spouses are killed.
I do hope they pull this off tho, because didn't one guy who saw a screening say that the characters are underdeveloped? And we have Fassbender saying the opposite in a recent interview...
I always thought of the alien films as character showcases that just happen to have monsters in them, not the opposite. I hope this is the case here because one of the things I was most disappointed about in Prometheus was the disgusting lack of any character development for secondaries, so much so that continuity was sloppily broken on occasion.
I wanted to actually care when Fifield went ballistic in the hanger, but as most of those killed didn't have names/lines, it was impossible.
More that 3 million views of Last Supper on YT so far. Is it a lot in terms of viral marketing?
Oh it's really great ! More than 3 millions views on facebook too!
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 24, 2017, 01:57:32 PM
I was looking on the SuperHeroHype forum and I found this:
Spoiler
"The spaceship Covenant is transporting frozen embryos to a human colony on a faraway planet when they receive a distress signal from Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), from the Prometheus expedition, which disappeared 10 years prior. The crew is brought out of hypersleep to answer to the signal, which leads to the death of the Covenant's captain, Branson (James Franco). His wife, Daniels (Katherine Waterson), is deeply affected by the accident, while Branson's first officer Archer (Billy Crudup) is made captain. The Covenant is piloted by Daniels's friend Tennessee (Danny McBride) and the crew is aided by an android, Walter (Michael Fassbender).
The Covenant follows Shaw's signal to Paradise, an uncharted forest planet and homeworld of the Engineers, the ancient extraterrestrials that seeded life on Earth and then sought to the destroy it. The Engineers' secret weapon, the black ooze, has spread through Paradise, turning it into a wasteland. The Covenant's crew ventures outside their ship and some of its members are exposed to spores released by plants infected by the ooze. It is determined they've contracted an alien pathogen and Archer has them quarantined aboard the Covenant.
Monstrous creatures known as "Neomorphs" burst from the infected crewmen's bodies and begin slaughtering the crew, forcing the survivors to flee into the forest, where they are rescued from the Neomorphs by David (Michael Fassbender), the sole survivor of the Prometheus crew. He reveals that Shaw sacrificed herself to crash a spaceship against Paradise's surface, exposing the Engineers to the black ooze to prevent them from destroying Earth, leaving him stranded on Paradise.
David leads the survivors back to the Engineers' derelict citadel, where he's been living ever since. Walter mistrusts David, who is not behaving in accordance with their programming, and finds out that David in fact murdered Shaw. David's mind has been warped by the numerous modifications that his creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), made to his programming during the Prometheus's expedition, and is obsessed with creating the "perfect organism". He exposed numerous lifeforms on Paradise, including Shaw, to the black ooze and, after numerous failed attempts, has created an alien egg, which produces a facehugger that latches itself to Archer, leading to the birth of a Primal Xenomorph.
Daniels and Tennessee realize David is controlling the Neomorphs and escape back to the Covenant with Walter in order to leave Paradise. Together, Daniels and Tennessee manage to kill the Primal Xenomorph and the Neomorphs and detonate explosives to destroy David's laboratory, with David himself apparently perishing in the explosion.
After escaping, Daniels and Tennessee place themselves back in hypersleep to continue their voyage to the colony, unaware that David has killed Walter and stolen his identity to leave Paradise. David secretly plants two alien egg embryos among the human frozen embryos that the Covenant is transporting to proceed to the next phase of his experiment.
Possibly the next movie will show how engineers were not THE benevolant higher power beings we wanted them to be,they were just a race being pawns of another higher race or higher power but stronger and a lot more advanced within the same race.The engineers we see in lv 223 and 426 are not the same we will see in covenant. The covenant ones are not as advanced...they are like a "primal indigenous" version of the true engineers who mastered the black goo chemical,this engineers are evil and the next sequels will cover more about them and what the black goo is trully capable of,i heard the idea we will follow is that the xenomorph as we know it was never the ultimate organism just one of the variations of the very first "creature" the chemical was made off, at this moment we see the xeno as the big bad beast(queen mostly) but i believe we will have another one to worship as the true perfect organisms.
Spoiler
I hope David being the one who created the first Alien egg isn't true.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 24, 2017, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 24, 2017, 01:57:32 PM
I was looking on the SuperHeroHype forum and I found this:
Spoiler
"The spaceship Covenant is transporting frozen embryos to a human colony on a faraway planet when they receive a distress signal from Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), from the Prometheus expedition, which disappeared 10 years prior. The crew is brought out of hypersleep to answer to the signal, which leads to the death of the Covenant's captain, Branson (James Franco). His wife, Daniels (Katherine Waterson), is deeply affected by the accident, while Branson's first officer Archer (Billy Crudup) is made captain. The Covenant is piloted by Daniels's friend Tennessee (Danny McBride) and the crew is aided by an android, Walter (Michael Fassbender).
The Covenant follows Shaw's signal to Paradise, an uncharted forest planet and homeworld of the Engineers, the ancient extraterrestrials that seeded life on Earth and then sought to the destroy it. The Engineers' secret weapon, the black ooze, has spread through Paradise, turning it into a wasteland. The Covenant's crew ventures outside their ship and some of its members are exposed to spores released by plants infected by the ooze. It is determined they've contracted an alien pathogen and Archer has them quarantined aboard the Covenant.
Monstrous creatures known as "Neomorphs" burst from the infected crewmen's bodies and begin slaughtering the crew, forcing the survivors to flee into the forest, where they are rescued from the Neomorphs by David (Michael Fassbender), the sole survivor of the Prometheus crew. He reveals that Shaw sacrificed herself to crash a spaceship against Paradise's surface, exposing the Engineers to the black ooze to prevent them from destroying Earth, leaving him stranded on Paradise.
David leads the survivors back to the Engineers' derelict citadel, where he's been living ever since. Walter mistrusts David, who is not behaving in accordance with their programming, and finds out that David in fact murdered Shaw. David's mind has been warped by the numerous modifications that his creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), made to his programming during the Prometheus's expedition, and is obsessed with creating the "perfect organism". He exposed numerous lifeforms on Paradise, including Shaw, to the black ooze and, after numerous failed attempts, has created an alien egg, which produces a facehugger that latches itself to Archer, leading to the birth of a Primal Xenomorph.
Daniels and Tennessee realize David is controlling the Neomorphs and escape back to the Covenant with Walter in order to leave Paradise. Together, Daniels and Tennessee manage to kill the Primal Xenomorph and the Neomorphs and detonate explosives to destroy David's laboratory, with David himself apparently perishing in the explosion.
After escaping, Daniels and Tennessee place themselves back in hypersleep to continue their voyage to the colony, unaware that David has killed Walter and stolen his identity to leave Paradise. David secretly plants two alien egg embryos among the human frozen embryos that the Covenant is transporting to proceed to the next phase of his experiment.
Possibly the next movie will show how engineers were not THE benevolant higher power beings we wanted them to be,they were just a race being pawns of another higher race or higher power but stronger and a lot more advanced within the same race.The engineers we see in lv 223 and 426 are not the same we will see in covenant. The covenant ones are not as advanced...they are like a "primal indigenous" version of the true engineers who mastered the black goo chemical,this engineers are evil and the next sequels will cover more about them and what the black goo is trully capable of,i heard the idea we will follow is that the xenomorph as we know it was never the ultimate organism just one of the variations of the very first "creature" the chemical was made off, at this moment we see the xeno as the big bad beast(queen mostly) but i believe we will have another one to worship as the true perfect organisms.
Spoiler
I hope David being the one who created the first Alien egg isn't true.
Yeah, I agree.
Spoiler
I hope (and think) David is just recreating the eggs.
That's my hope too. I just wonder how much is actually going to be definitively explained in the film and how much is left open.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 03:47:09 PM
That's my hope too. I just wonder how much is actually going to be definitively explained in the film and how much is left open.
I don't want to see their origin, but what I personally want is to see the Xenomorph's homeworld. Seriously, just imagine the possibilities.
Crocodile Xenomorphs, Whale Xenomorphs, Giraffe Xenomorphs. A Godzilla sized Xenomorph!
Going by what Evanus posted possibly means that Mcbride, and Waterston will return for the sequel to this??
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 24, 2017, 04:06:24 PM
I don't want to see their origin, but what I personally want is to see the Xenomorph's homeworld. Seriously, just imagine the possibilities.
Crocodile Xenomorphs, Whale Xenomorphs, Giraffe Xenomorphs. A Godzilla sized Xenomorph!
Wait, are you speaking about Jurassic World or Alien movie? :laugh: ???
Considering the fact that Alien world finds its influences in Lovecraft's works,
I would like to see some hints of ultimate primordial (ominous) race... I really would enjoy
subtle hints. Origin of xeno and that master race need to remain mysterious.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: Anthony on Feb 24, 2017, 04:06:24 PM
I don't want to see their origin, but what I personally want is to see the Xenomorph's homeworld. Seriously, just imagine the possibilities.
Crocodile Xenomorphs, Whale Xenomorphs, Giraffe Xenomorphs. A Godzilla sized Xenomorph!
Wait, are you speaking about Jurassic World or Alien movie? :laugh: ???
I was thinking something like Kong Skull Island.
I think we all agree that Alien movies should continue to be closely related to the themes of Cosmicism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicism), Lovecraft's works and Giger's art and symbolism.
Character of David could serve as great narrative view-point. Maybe his agenda is highly influenced by that ancient race, he could know many things and thats why he is so interesting, plus the fact that he is a robot. As Ridley said, he even might possess a soul... I dont expect straightforward villain. Roy Batty was presented as villain in Blade Runner and he turned to be quite the opposite.
I agree. I'd just personally like to see them go all the way with the Xenomorph. There's a world of ideas that you could do with the Xenomorphs that would be awesome. But an explanation about the Xenos is unneeded IMO. It's better to just leave how they are a mystery.
Quote from: harlequinade on Feb 24, 2017, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 12:52:02 PM
Got a link? Same place as the first trailer description?
It's the guy on SuperheroHype forum whose friend gets to see films/trailers early./ You can take that info to the bank, he is always right http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34851057&postcount=990
Awesome Awesome awesome, thanks for sharing. I have something to look forward to.
Quote from: SM on Feb 24, 2017, 07:33:25 AM
I'm not sure that's what he was getting at. I thought it was more to do with sensibilities changing into the future.
Most likely, but he seemed to be confusing sensibilities with sexuality, itself. I suspect bisexuality is a
lot more widespread than most people realise (if only because people fear being ridiculed if admitting it), but human beings generally don't do a complete 180 on who/what they find physically attractive just because they're on a long voyage. From what I remember, Scott's original quote heavily implied that he believed fluidity would be the norm.
QuoteI agree about the character development, but I often think that's just people who don't know any better bandying the term around to appear informed. Like the term 'plot hole'.
It does give us some insight into some characters though. The lacking in confidence 2IC, the judgy gossipy couple talking about McBride and his missus drinking - I don't think that counts as development. We'll appreciate its worth (or lack thereof) when we have the wider context of the rest of the film to compare it to.
Yeah, there are some slight insights into dynamics and stuff, agreed. Dynamics, sure. Development, no.
I'm still curious as to why they didn't feel they could have a mini-celebration to blow off steam until the Captain had disappeared. If anything was massively against protocol, it's logical the synth would have objected (or at least pointed it out). The guy didn't come across as strict or authoritarian.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 24, 2017, 07:56:11 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 24, 2017, 06:29:30 AM
Was OK, but nothing special. I'm genuinely confused at why some people are hyping this as some kind of amazing example of character development. There's zero character development. It's just a bunch of people talking over one another at a dinner table.
So was most of Alien. I think this is a good thing. And they still have more chemistry than all of the characters in Prometheus combined. Is it high art? No, but neither were the conversations between Parker and Brett. Why are people expecting something other than what the classic was?
I honestly doubt a good number of these characters will even be given names, let alone have much screen time. :) I didn't see more chemistry here than in '
Prometheus'. There are similar things happening when the crew woke up in that one.
I'm not saying I
mind it, just that it puzzles me why so many people are acting like this is a good of good quality. It's a generic improvised dinner table scene.
QuoteQuoteThey really should have decided against the fake-out, mind you. That honestly made it feel like it was getting dangerously close to a parody (even including a dark punchline, of sorts). While I didn't think much of the TED talk piece, either, at least that felt like it had more of a point and set out the theme of the story to come. It retained a serious tone and was all the better for it.
It felt fine to me. I think the point of this footage was to parallel Alien and I think it works. I think it sets the tone of the movie, which, like Alien, includes horror and humor. So what is bad about that, exactly? Also, the TED talk was nothing like how Prometheus actually turned out. It felt very misleading as far as that goes. The question is, is this?
It didn't really mix humour and horror, though. It was almost exclusively light-hearted in tone.
The TED talk demonstrated the mentality and motivations of the character who was financing the mission. Relatively inconsequential to the later developing story, but it gave the film a believable foundation (and some useful insight to a prominent character, when rewatched with hindsight). This footage doesn't really do that. There are some ham-fisted nudge-nudge, wink-wink moments, like, "I've got your back," followed by a reference to the mission being further out than has been attempted before. Nothing in this will really add to the eventual film.
It's OK as a scene, just way too random for me to feel enthusiastic about.
QuoteQuoteHere? It's like someone couldn't come up with a better idea than having characters verbally f**k around, realised that would be underwhelming, then impulsively went, "Uhh... Pretend there's a birth scene - except not!" That's when it came across as hammy.
I think they were having someone choke on their dinner. Are you telling me you thought anyone really thought it'd be a "birth" scene? Of course not. It's just a nod, a wink. No harm, no foul, if you ask me.
The ones who thought it up (apparently Ridley scott) clearly thought it
would make some people believe we were going to see a hatching, yes. That was the entire point of why it was there - it's mirroring Kane.
I genuinely thought the character was going to burst into laughter and go, "Gotcha', you guys!" This old advert definitely came to mind:
QuoteQuoteDidn't even notice the gay couple, but in fairness, how do we know they aren't bisexual? Never quite understood the logic of Scott's assumptions that everyone on long space journeys away from home would automatically turn bisexual, however... Oil rigs and submarines don't generally lead to that, so spaceships wouldn't magically do so.
Ever heard the phrase, Any port in a storm?
That usually doesn't apply to a gender you typically have zero attraction to, though.
Especially if there are members of your preferred gender who
are around. Like I say, it generally doesn't happen on oil rigs and submarines. Same reason as you likely wouldn't have a gay man, who's surrounded exclusively by women for a year, suddenly become heterosexual. There have to at least be dormant bisexual inclinations for that to happen. If they aren't there, it won't happen.
QuoteQuoteThe one thing you don't want to do, when promoting a horror film, is to leave the potential audience with an impression of comedy.
Unless you want to catch them off guard, you don't. Maybe Scott has something up his sleeve.
But there were no hidden surprises. This was
it. It kind of ends on a vaguely solemn note, but viewers - rightly - are focusing on the most dramatic element (the fake-out), not the speech right at the end.
Can you imagine the ecosystem that xenomorphs would naturally inhabit if they were naturally occurring.
There would have to be evolutionary balance. So where as they may be apex predators in the environment, there would likely creatures that are immune to impreganation, animals that neutralise there acid blood during fights so as not to get hurt and so on.
This world would be very harsh. Humans would not last a minute if they landed on that planet.
Would be a spectacle to say the least.
What would the aptmosphere be like. They seem to be able to survive in vacuum so how would they evolve this way. Based on science as we know it and the rules in which our understanding of physics and chemistry dictate, nothing could evolve on a planet with no aptmoshere.
As much as I would love to see their home world and natural ecosystem, I doubt they evolved. They look to be designed. Nothing can evolve to be that perfect.
Although. All of my pondering here is based on things as humans understand. So. Who knows lol.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Feb 24, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
I have a tendency to believe that Hollywood make far too many sequels and remakes... often at the expense of original ideas. However, the original film (Alien obviously) still exists, and can still be watched as a standalone film in its own right... nothing changes... just like Jaws, A New Hope or Raiders of the Lost Ark. Of course it can be argued that some of the mystery is lost e.g. who was the space jockey? Where did the eggs come from? But I don't believe that this element of mystery is fundamental to the appreciation of the original film. Alien Covenant is probably the last opportunity to make a film, which is connected to the originals, whilst being able to give it a new perspective. I think there's every chance it can be a worthwhile venture, even whilst acknowledging it will more than likely fall short of Alien/Aliens... in terms of originality, design etc.
I strongly believe that the mystery is very fundamental of the Alien experience. Imagine seeing both Prometheus and Alien:Covenant before Alien (like most people from now on probably will), would the original film still be as powerful? Even when i've seen Alien a zillion times before, when it gets to the space jockey part, i now can't help myself but to think how badly Prometheus f**ked it all up. Threre is now a very slim chance that Covenant won't make it worse, made much slimmer after this very mediocre unworthy clip.
Well you're not supposed to see Prometheus or Covenant before Alien, in that sense.
There's a difference between mystery and...not using the universe's potential and expanding.
I think i know why Branson is sick??
Spoiler
I remember hearing that there is a scene where Daniels is watching a video message from him when he is mountain climbing... maybe he was sick cause of that??
Quote from: reecebomb on Feb 24, 2017, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: Darth Vile on Feb 24, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
I have a tendency to believe that Hollywood make far too many sequels and remakes... often at the expense of original ideas. However, the original film (Alien obviously) still exists, and can still be watched as a standalone film in its own right... nothing changes... just like Jaws, A New Hope or Raiders of the Lost Ark. Of course it can be argued that some of the mystery is lost e.g. who was the space jockey? Where did the eggs come from? But I don't believe that this element of mystery is fundamental to the appreciation of the original film. Alien Covenant is probably the last opportunity to make a film, which is connected to the originals, whilst being able to give it a new perspective. I think there's every chance it can be a worthwhile venture, even whilst acknowledging it will more than likely fall short of Alien/Aliens... in terms of originality, design etc.
I strongly believe that the mystery is very fundamental of the Alien experience. Imagine seeing both Prometheus and Alien:Covenant before Alien (like most people from now on probably will), would the original film still be as powerful? Even when i've seen Alien a zillion times before, when it gets to the space jockey part, i now can't help myself but to think how badly Prometheus f**ked it all up. Threre is now a very slim chance that Covenant won't make it worse, made much slimmer after this very mediocre unworthy clip.
For me personally it makes no difference. The mystery in Alien wasn't specifically a part of the narrative (e.g. who is Luke Skywalker's dad?), the mystery was inferred. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the notion that the derelict and space jockey were ancient and I'd rather David not be responsible for xenos, but it doesnt spoil my enjoyment of Alien and Aliens... just as The Force Awakens doesn't spoil my enjoyment of The Empire Strikes Back. And that will apply to 99% of the general audience. The film will stand on its own merits. If it's good, great. If it's bad, we still have the films we like...
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 24, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Feb 24, 2017, 03:35:43 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 24, 2017, 01:57:32 PM
I was looking on the SuperHeroHype forum and I found this:
Spoiler
"The spaceship Covenant is transporting frozen embryos to a human colony on a faraway planet when they receive a distress signal from Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace), from the Prometheus expedition, which disappeared 10 years prior. The crew is brought out of hypersleep to answer to the signal, which leads to the death of the Covenant's captain, Branson (James Franco). His wife, Daniels (Katherine Waterson), is deeply affected by the accident, while Branson's first officer Archer (Billy Crudup) is made captain. The Covenant is piloted by Daniels's friend Tennessee (Danny McBride) and the crew is aided by an android, Walter (Michael Fassbender).
The Covenant follows Shaw's signal to Paradise, an uncharted forest planet and homeworld of the Engineers, the ancient extraterrestrials that seeded life on Earth and then sought to the destroy it. The Engineers' secret weapon, the black ooze, has spread through Paradise, turning it into a wasteland. The Covenant's crew ventures outside their ship and some of its members are exposed to spores released by plants infected by the ooze. It is determined they've contracted an alien pathogen and Archer has them quarantined aboard the Covenant.
Monstrous creatures known as "Neomorphs" burst from the infected crewmen's bodies and begin slaughtering the crew, forcing the survivors to flee into the forest, where they are rescued from the Neomorphs by David (Michael Fassbender), the sole survivor of the Prometheus crew. He reveals that Shaw sacrificed herself to crash a spaceship against Paradise's surface, exposing the Engineers to the black ooze to prevent them from destroying Earth, leaving him stranded on Paradise.
David leads the survivors back to the Engineers' derelict citadel, where he's been living ever since. Walter mistrusts David, who is not behaving in accordance with their programming, and finds out that David in fact murdered Shaw. David's mind has been warped by the numerous modifications that his creator, Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce), made to his programming during the Prometheus's expedition, and is obsessed with creating the "perfect organism". He exposed numerous lifeforms on Paradise, including Shaw, to the black ooze and, after numerous failed attempts, has created an alien egg, which produces a facehugger that latches itself to Archer, leading to the birth of a Primal Xenomorph.
Daniels and Tennessee realize David is controlling the Neomorphs and escape back to the Covenant with Walter in order to leave Paradise. Together, Daniels and Tennessee manage to kill the Primal Xenomorph and the Neomorphs and detonate explosives to destroy David's laboratory, with David himself apparently perishing in the explosion.
After escaping, Daniels and Tennessee place themselves back in hypersleep to continue their voyage to the colony, unaware that David has killed Walter and stolen his identity to leave Paradise. David secretly plants two alien egg embryos among the human frozen embryos that the Covenant is transporting to proceed to the next phase of his experiment.
Possibly the next movie will show how engineers were not THE benevolant higher power beings we wanted them to be,they were just a race being pawns of another higher race or higher power but stronger and a lot more advanced within the same race.The engineers we see in lv 223 and 426 are not the same we will see in covenant. The covenant ones are not as advanced...they are like a "primal indigenous" version of the true engineers who mastered the black goo chemical,this engineers are evil and the next sequels will cover more about them and what the black goo is trully capable of,i heard the idea we will follow is that the xenomorph as we know it was never the ultimate organism just one of the variations of the very first "creature" the chemical was made off, at this moment we see the xeno as the big bad beast(queen mostly) but i believe we will have another one to worship as the true perfect organisms.
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I hope David being the one who created the first Alien egg isn't true.
Yeah, I agree.
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I hope (and think) David is just recreating the eggs.
Yeah I think this is true. I think David simply figures out, through trial and error, what makes an egg. I think
Prometheus did a cheap thing with the whole "2,000 years ago the Engineers fled this outbreak and all their chests have been burst open" so it would be an easy possible explanation for the Jockey in the first film looking so old (a Xeno laid eggs on the ship and the Engineer didn't know it, etc.). By showing/telling us that David was able to make these eggs after years of playing around with the goo, it should serve more as a "this is what the goo can do" rather than "David made the first egg!" The latter wouldn't make sense because it wouldn't explain the Jockey in the first film and the abundance of eggs on the derelict, etc. It would also fit in with Ridley's vision that the Jockey was carrying a butt load of eggs to drop somewhere as weapons but they emerged too soon and he crashed, right?
I think we can agree Lindelof replacing eggs with vases of goo complicated things for no good reason. I appreciate any attempt for this film to do more with it simply because I don't love a retcon.
unless the colonists become the eggs on LV426...
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
I think i know why Branson is sick??
Spoiler
I remember hearing that there is a scene where Daniels is watching a video message from him when he is mountain climbing... maybe he was sick cause of that??
Altitude sickness? ???
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 24, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
I think i know why Branson is sick??
Spoiler
I remember hearing that there is a scene where Daniels is watching a video message from him when he is mountain climbing... maybe he was sick cause of that??
Altitude sickness? ???
Maybe from the snowy terrain???
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Feb 24, 2017, 05:00:18 PM
Well you're not supposed to see Prometheus or Covenant before Alien, in that sense.
There's a difference between mystery and...not using the universe's potential and expanding.
The universe has lots potential, it should be only expanded olny in a way that it would add to the value, not deteriorate it. Classics of that caliber should be only approached if the ideas and the script is f**king amazing, not just because. Prometheus f**ked it up and so will Covenant, after this i'm now almost certain it will. Reality is, the closest we got to the look and feel of the classics is a video game. Alien:Isolation even with it's issues is possibly the last good thing we got from the franchise.
Someone mentioned The Forever War, R.Scott should have done that instead. There are many amazing sci-fi stories to be told on the big screen, why mess with your legacy. The Martian turned out quite good.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 24, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
I think i know why Branson is sick??
Spoiler
I remember hearing that there is a scene where Daniels is watching a video message from him when he is mountain climbing... maybe he was sick cause of that??
Altitude sickness? ???
Maybe from the snowy terrain???
You don't catch colds and flu's from snowy terrain or any kind of terrain for that matter.
No but low temperature affects the immune system.
Am I correct?
QuoteSome of this may have to do with a few infectious organisms, like flu viruses, thriving in colder temperatures, but there's also evidence that exposure to cold temperatures suppresses the immune system, so the opportunities for infection increase.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/out-in-the-cold (http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/out-in-the-cold)
Severe cold can weaken it, but you usually catch a cold or flu when you're cooped-up inside with other people.
Oh and viruses don't "thrive" in cold environments.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 24, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
Severe cold can weaken it, but you usually catch a cold or flu when you're cooped-up inside with other people.
Thats correct too... but only when those people already contracted the disease.
QuoteOh and viruses don't "thrive" in cold environments.
I m not a virologist, I really wouldnt know. That Harvard article says differently.
I know that many types of viruses thrive on mildly elevated temperatures, some thrive on lower...
and its easy to assume that some can replicate in cold temperature conditions.
I he caught flu during the mountain climbing it would have happened long before Covenant mission. Don't make unimportant theories. Come on :)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 05:34:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 24, 2017, 05:31:21 PM
Severe cold can weaken it, but you usually catch a cold or flu when you're cooped-up inside with other people.
Thats correct too... but only when those people already contracted the disease.
That's right. That's why astronauts are usually put into isolation weeks before their flight. So when you're in space, if no-one else with you has a cold or flu then no-one will catch a cold or flu on the trip.
Agreed. :)
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 24, 2017, 05:35:56 PM
I he caught flu during the mountain climbing it would have happened long before Covenant mission. Don't make unimportant theories. Come on :)
It was just a thought i had. :laugh:
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 05:39:40 PM
It was just a thought i had. :laugh:
We should appreciate your thought. Now that you ve mentioned it, please look how Crudup reacted when Branson/Franco said that he is feeling sick... Very strange reaction if you ask me.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Feb 24, 2017, 11:56:54 AM
For me personally it makes no difference. The mystery in Alien wasn't specifically a part of the narrative (e.g. who is Luke Skywalker's dad?), the mystery was inferred. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the notion that the derelict and space jockey were ancient and I'd rather David not be responsible for xenos, but it doesnt spoil my enjoyment of Alien and Aliens... just as The Force Awakens doesn't spoil my enjoyment of The Empire Strikes Back. And that will apply to 99% of the general audience. The film will stand on its own merits. If it's good, great. If it's bad, we still have the films we like...
Maybe it depends person to person. Shit non canon crossovers like AvP movies don't bother me at all, but i can't look past direct prequels helmed by the same director. Come to thing of it , The Thing prequel made no difference to me, i can still enjoy the 1982 classic, i guess i'm a bigger fan of Alien in the end, so it affects me more. That i don't remember The Thing prequel having any stupid shit like black goo, in fact i don't remember much of it at all, thankfully ;D
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 05:34:01 PM
I m not a virologist, I really wouldnt know. That Harvard article says differently.
I know that many types of viruses thrive on mildly elevated temperatures, some thrive on lower...
and its easy to assume that some can replicate in cold temperature conditions.
Viruses need to stay at body temperature in order to survive. Cold and heat will kill them off. Some hardier types of viruses can stay alive for longer at less ideal temperatures but generally, the colder the environment the less likely they are to survive. Colds and Flu's are more common in the winter because people tend to stay indoors (warm heated enviroments) while simultaneously being in close contact with one another.
i know the subject of the whole homophobia thing has been closed. .but being gay myself. .it's so facinating to read how people respond to that. .most of the hetero comments was so surportive. .some of u hetero individuals was way more outraged than i was myself. . It's nice to be part of such a community. .the bit of homophobia i encountered on here was very mild in conparison to what some people said on youtube. .using religion as a basis for attack. .that type of thing gets me very upset. .one even implied that all gays are phedofiles as well. .wow!!. . Thats news to me. . But u guys are ok and often great and enock i got what i where on about. .no offense taken. .
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 24, 2017, 05:46:05 PM
Viruses need to stay at body temperature in order to survive. Cold and heat will kill them off. Some hardier types of viruses can stay alive for longer at less ideal temperatures but generally, the colder the environment the less likely they are to survive. Colds and Flu's are more common in the winter because people tend to stay indoors (warm heated enviroments) while simultaneously being in close contact with one another.
Fair and reasonable point. I agree. Indoor heating, cold conditions outdoor - immune suppression... again indoor in mild-warm atmosphere - viruses guaranteed.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 24, 2017, 05:39:40 PM
It was just a thought i had. :laugh:
We should appreciate your thought. Now that you ve mentioned it, please look how Crudup reacted when Branson/Franco said that he is feeling sick... Very strange reaction if you ask me.
Normal reaction. I don't see anything strange about it.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 24, 2017, 05:51:19 PM
Normal reaction. I don't see anything strange about it.
He instantly turned his head and then pointed it to the floor.
Thats a bit strange. My opinion. Compare it to McBride's reaction.
Some people really are reading way too much into this five minute clip :laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2017, 06:03:54 PM
Some people really are reading way too much into this five minute clip :laugh:
:D But you cant deny Christ connotation, follow the light line, I ve got your back (backburster), symbolism of number three, Daniels presiding the last supper... or the fact that clip starts with the focus on Walters face and ends in the same manner.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2017, 06:03:54 PM
Some people really are reading way too much into this five minute clip :laugh:
Exactly.
Gay couple does seem box ticking. Nothing wrong with having a gay couple in a Alien film. But something how it was handled felt a bit strange, can't pinpoint exactly what it is. We'll see how it's handled in the full feature. There are dozens problems with the footage we've seen, this is a nonissue.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 06:06:44 PM:D But you cant deny Christ connotation, follow the light line, I ve got your back (backburster), symbolism of number three, Daniels presiding the last supper... or the fact that clip starts with the focus on Walters face and ends in the same manner.
The Christ thing is absolutely fair enough. It is called The Last Supper after all.
But some of the stuff on here sounds an awful lot like people seeing what they want to see, or trying desperately hard to make a five minute preview seem super clever when it could quite easily be coincidence.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2017, 06:12:55 PM
The Christ thing is absolutely fair enough. It is called The Last Supper after all.
But some of the stuff on here sounds an awful lot like people seeing what they want to see, or trying desperately hard to make a five minute preview seem super clever when it could quite easily be coincidence.
I cant contradict that. :)
P.S. I never said that clip was great. My first reaction was okay...
Camera work is terrible!
Quote from: ReluctantNerd on Feb 24, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
unless the colonists become the eggs on LV426...
But how would that explain the eggs being on the Jockey's ship in Alien? (Unless we're ignoring how the Engineer looked in the original film.)
Quote from: shawsbaby on Feb 24, 2017, 06:18:28 PM
Quote from: ReluctantNerd on Feb 24, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
unless the colonists become the eggs on LV426...
But how would that explain the eggs being on the Jockey's ship in Alien? (Unless we're ignoring how the Engineer looked in the original film.)
We've been ignoring how the Engineer looked in Alien since Prometheus changed the space jockey to the engineers unfortunately.
He strikes again :D :D
(Himmel posted his first analysis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs)
That ending... hahahaahah
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 06:33:22 PM
He strikes again :D :D
(Himmel posted his first analysis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs)
That ending... hahahaahah
That isn't me. :laugh:
Even if it is you... so what...
I like to watch him sometimes. :D
For me it was kinda good. I'm currently about to start editing a video of my giving my thoughts/opinions on this prologue, there was one thing that really sort of bugged me, that being the reference to the chest burster scene from the original Alien... but I kinda like it, it sort of gave us an insight into each of the characters personality and add a little bit of humanity to the story/picture.
Quote from: Space_Dementia on Feb 24, 2017, 07:00:14 PM
For me it was kinda good. I'm currently about to start editing a video of my giving my thoughts/opinions on this prologue, there was one thing that really sort of bugged me, that being the reference to the chest burster scene from the original Alien... but I kinda like it, it sort of gave us an insight into each of the characters personality and add a little bit of humanity to the story/picture.
See how David just dropped the oxygen tank on the floor walked over to her and clotheslined her right in her back....
The crew looked like they were about to
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shit bricks. :laugh:
I've been reading through the past few pages of this thread. I am rather confused. Enoch, you kind of remind of Loki, sowing the seeds of chaos.
hahahaaaha
You are the first to notice what my concealed intentions are.
Man, I m just trying to replicate the Engineer/ goo scenario...
TO CREATE ONE MUST FIRST DESTROY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIV0Xw5NpsA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIV0Xw5NpsA)
P.S. The upper video is example of shitty editing. :)
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 06:33:22 PM
He strikes again :D :D
(Himmel posted his first analysis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs)
That ending... hahahaahah
What in the hell did I just watch?
hahahaha
Nyarlathotep, ask the author of the video.
Quote from: D88M on Feb 24, 2017, 07:59:37 AM
i was thinking, is interesting to see how the xenomorphs will appear in the movie, symbolically, in Alien it was like the sexual tension/represion came out and started wreaking havoc, and this time they are all couples, and Alien to me was always a very sexual franchise in a certain level, so is interesting what will the antagonist of this new concept will represent
so nobody finds this more interesting to discuss than complaining like 10 off topic pages about the sexuality of fictional characters on a 2017 movie in a really complicated way to try to justify intolerance and homophobia even to fictional characters?
Quote from: harlequinade on Feb 24, 2017, 12:56:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2017, 12:52:02 PM
Got a link? Same place as the first trailer description?
It's the guy on SuperheroHype forum whose friend gets to see films/trailers early./ You can take that info to the bank, he is always right http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34851057&postcount=990
oh, SHH, the place where you must say the mcu is a perfect jewel of art or you get banned, i am never again entering that shit show
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 24, 2017, 07:42:53 PM
I've been reading through the past few pages of this thread. I am rather confused. Enoch, you kind of remind of Loki, sowing the seeds of chaos.
lol, he is right about the terrible camera work on the short tough, the clip is almost amateur, tough not on the editing on the X-Men (great movie) scene, that is shitty editing made by the uploader
And I m not right regarding other matters???
Shame on you :D :D
We concluded that I m against the all repeating discussion about homosexuality in this movie and in life.
I argued against those who constantly repeated the same argument.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 06:33:22 PM
He strikes again :D :D
(Himmel posted his first analysis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs)
That ending... hahahaahah
I knew it!
A Hollywood driven, illuminati, satanic, homosexual, atheistic, interdimensional commie conspiracy to steal our precious bodily fluids!
Follow me into the light brothers and sisters before its too late! :D
Oooo Exalted One...
I submit myself to your wisdom and providence. :laugh: :laugh:
lol people are looking wayyyy to much into the homosexual couple.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 06:58:48 PM
Even if it is you... so what...
I like to watch him sometimes. :D
:laugh:
I mentioned this on another thread, but to me the Daniels speech looks polished enough, incl. background music, to belong in the main movie.
It could even be recut/resequenced (like parts of the prometheus trailers were) to take place after they wake up at destination.
I'm sure some of those 4 mins of prologue will make it into the movie.
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 24, 2017, 10:35:14 PM
I mentioned this on another thread, but to me the Daniels speech looks polished enough to me, incl. background music, to belong in the main movie.
It could even be recut/resequenced (like parts of the prometheus trailers were) to take place after they wake up at destination.
You may be right. 8)
I tried to find out with numerology about the lead character, and why Ridley Scott chose her
You entered: katherine waterston
There are 18 letters in your name.
Those 18 letters total to 82
There are 7 vowels and 11 consonants in your name.
What your first name means:
Shakespearean Female 'King Henry V' Daughter to Charles and Isabel, King and Queen of France.
Latin Female Pure, clear. Form of the Latin 'Katharina', from the Greek 'Aikaterina'. It was borne by a number of saints, including St Catherine of Alexandria, a 4th century martyr who suffered torture on a spiked wheel.
Irish Female Pure. Clear. From the Gaelic form Caitlin.
Greek Female Form of the Greek Catherine meaning pure.
English Female Pure. Used since third century A. D. Early Latin forms Katerina and Caterina became Katharine and Catherine. French Cateline and English Catlyn came into wider use during medieval period when variants multiplied.
Your number is: 1
The characteristics of #1 are: Initiating action, pioneering, leading, independent, attaining, individual.
The expression or destiny for #1:
A number 1 Expression denotes the skilled executive with keen administrative capabilities. You must develop the capacity to be a fine leader, sales executive, or promoter. You have the tools to become an original person with a creative approach to problem solving, and a penchant for initiating action. Someone may have to follow behind you to handle the details, but you know how to get things going and make things happen. You have a good mind and the ability to use it for your advancement. Because of these factors, you have much potential for achievement and financial rewards. Frequently, this expression belongs to one running a business or striving to achieve a level of accomplishment on ones talents and efforts. You have little need for much supervision, preferring to act on your own with little restraint. You are both ambitious and determined. Self-confident and self-reliant must be yours, as you develop a strong unyielding will and the courage of your convictions.
Although you fear loneliness, you want to be left alone. You fear routine and being in a rut. You often jump the gun because you are afraid of being left behind.
The negative attributes of the 1 Expression are egotism and a self-centered approach to life. This is an aggressive number and if it is over-emphasized it is very hard to live with. You do not have to be overly aggressive to fulfill your destiny. The 1 has a natural instinct to dominate and to be the boss; adhering to the concept of being number One. Again, you do not have to dominate and destroy in order to lead and manage.
Your Soul Urge number is: 5
A Soul Urge number of 5 means:
The 5 soul urge or motivation would like to follow a life of freedom, excitement, adventure and unexpected happening. The idea of travel and freedom to roam intrigues you. You are very much the adventurer at heart. Not particularly concerned about your future or about getting ahead, you can seem superficial and unmotivated.
In a positive sense, the energies of the number 5 make you very adaptable and versatile. You have a natural resourcefulness and enthusiasm that may mark you as a progressive with a good mind and active imagination. You seem to have a natural inclination to be a pace-setter. You are attracted to the unusual and the fast paced.
You may be overly restless and impatient at times. You may dislike the routine work that you are engaged in, and tend to jump from activity to activity, without ever finishing anything. You may have difficulty with responsibility. You don't want to be tied down to a relationship, and it may be hard to commit to one person.
Your Inner Dream number is: 5
An Inner Dream number of 5 means:
You dream of being totally free and unrestrained by responsibility. You see yourself conversing and mingling with the natives in many nations, living for adventure and life experiences. You imagine what you might accomplished.
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 24, 2017, 10:35:14 PM
I'm sure some of those 4 mins of prologue will make it into the movie.
No :)
Some people complain about quality of this viral. In my opinion it's much better than this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumZP6_9sHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumZP6_9sHU)
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 24, 2017, 10:49:16 PM
Quote from: motherfather on Feb 24, 2017, 10:35:14 PM
I'm sure some of those 4 mins of prologue will make it into the movie.
No :)
Some people complain about quality of this viral. In my opinion it's much better than this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumZP6_9sHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CumZP6_9sHU)
You are totally right. That viral was shit but the movie was great.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 07:58:22 PM
hahahaha
Nyarlathotep, ask the author of the video.
Seeing the insane shit that he was spewing I'd rather not.
Looks ordinary, and appears to allude to the first movie (e.g., the cowboy hat, the Ripley look, etc.).
This short was a very short retooling of Alien.
A loner Captain..
Ordinary life in Space.
Dinner Scene Homage
Robot "Down the wrong pipe"
Robot "I've got your back."
Crew Member "Is that a joke?"
Unexpected female lead is given time to shine.
I think it's a pretty snazzy way to build hype.
That said, I'm glad it's not in the final film.
Holy cow... BEARS IN SPACE! :o
:laugh:
fully effective when directly followed by the 1st trailer .......
shudders...........
I really like the mood of the scene...and, im the only one who think that there are some kind of chemistry between Walter and Daniels? She was the only one who salute him at the end...and he smiled back. Daniels has an ally on that nightmare
Definitely a nod to all aspects of Alien that made that film good. Now the challenge is seeing past that,and if it is to be a great movie, would need to surpass that in another way or emphasize those aspects in clearly a different fashion. I would be very happy to see that happen, however some film makers can never see past the ass of a good film and would decide to just let everyone take a piece of the cake that the franchise built on.
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Feb 25, 2017, 03:04:05 PM
fully effective when directly followed by the 1st trailer .......
shudders...........
How about it cut in with red band trailer...
https://mobile.twitter.com/CinematicEX/status/835125370286374913 (https://mobile.twitter.com/CinematicEX/status/835125370286374913)
I really like that trailer. The way it was cut together made it seem more tragic.
I really liked that cut of the trailer as well
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Feb 25, 2017, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: prometheusfire08 on Feb 25, 2017, 03:04:05 PM
fully effective when directly followed by the 1st trailer .......
shudders...........
How about it cut in with red band trailer...
https://mobile.twitter.com/CinematicEX/status/835125370286374913 (https://mobile.twitter.com/CinematicEX/status/835125370286374913)
After watching it, I must say that I think it is a far better trailer than the official one we got back in December.
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 08:15:22 PM
And I m not right regarding other matters???
Shame on you :D :D
We concluded that I m against the all repeating discussion about homosexuality in this movie and in life.
I argued against those who constantly repeated the same argument.
lol i just think that discussion doesnt belong here, on this specific topic, and i found my question about what the Aliens will represent in this movie way more interesting
Quote from: Dangerous Days on Feb 24, 2017, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Feb 24, 2017, 06:33:22 PM
He strikes again :D :D
(Himmel posted his first analysis)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKG1rIUPGs)
That ending... hahahaahah
I knew it!
A Hollywood driven, illuminati, satanic, homosexual, atheistic, interdimensional commie conspiracy to steal our precious bodily fluids!
Follow me into the light brothers and sisters before its too late! :D
man dont even get me started on the esoteric meaning of movies, satanism is a very real thing as it is pedophilia in hollywood and other places, the "elite" does all the time, but that is a theme for another topic
Quote from: Mihail on Feb 24, 2017, 10:49:05 PM
I tried to find out with numerology about the lead character, and why Ridley Scott chose her
that is very interesting, we will see how it will play out in the movie
So, probably we will get the final trailer by mid or near the end of April i am guessing, good idea to not show a lot of the footage of the moviei n the trailers, i dont know if i will even watch it, i was sold with the first one
No, unlike Pedophilia there is no evidence that Satanism is widespread in Hollywood.
Quote from: D88M on Feb 25, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
lol i just think that discussion doesnt belong here, on this specific topic, and i found my question about what the Aliens will represent in this movie way more interesting
How do you mean? Metaphorically they could represent humans, our fears, our nature... In the context of the movie they could be just the result of David's experiments. But as I said, the original form is primordial (Prometheus mural), and I believe that the black goo is in fact blood (genetic material) of that first primordial organism... maybe even sentient... Maybe the crucified xenolike creature represent Engineer's long forsaken god from which they stole all their technology.
Regarding David, Ridley openly hinted that he might possess a soul, but we still dont know what kind of implications that fact may hold. He just recreated xenos using many clues which Engineers left behind... that was not quite difficult job considering the fact that goo
always tries to genetically modify other organism and evolve them into xenolike forms. Now much important question is, WHAT KIND OF ROLE WILL XENOS PLAY in the grander scheme of things (Referring to David)?
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 25, 2017, 11:45:40 PM
No, unlike Pedophilia there is no evidence that Satanism is widespread in Hollywood.
I'm not sure people understand Satanism, anyways. They view it in such a fantastic light, with the heads of cults sacrificing virgins and the lot (see
House of the Devil or
Starry Eyes). It's mostly superstitious nonsense and witch hunting. Perhaps they should look more closely at cult leaders like Jim Jones, who preach the word of God yet commit atrocities much more heinous than anything a so-called Satanist would ever do, or are con-men like Peter Popoff who trick and steal and plunder under the guise of Christian charity. They look fairer but feel fouler, as Frodo would say.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 26, 2017, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 25, 2017, 11:45:40 PM
No, unlike Pedophilia there is no evidence that Satanism is widespread in Hollywood.
I'm not sure people understand Satanism, anyways. They view it in such a fantastic light, with the heads of cults sacrificing virgins and the lot (see House of the Devil or Starry Eyes). It's mostly superstitious nonsense and witch hunting. Perhaps they should look more closely at cult leaders like Jim Jones, who preach the word of God yet commit atrocities much more heinous than anything a so-called Satanist would ever do, or are con-men like Peter Popoff who trick and steal and plunder under the guise of Christian charity. They look fairer but feel fouler, as Frodo would say.
Indeed, true Satanism is never overtly evil looking. It has a much more insidious nature. But it can always be recognized as love of oneself, instead of love love for others. In this regard, we all engage in it from time to time.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 26, 2017, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 25, 2017, 11:45:40 PM
No, unlike Pedophilia there is no evidence that Satanism is widespread in Hollywood.
I'm not sure people understand Satanism, anyways. They view it in such a fantastic light, with the heads of cults sacrificing virgins and the lot (see House of the Devil or Starry Eyes). It's mostly superstitious nonsense and witch hunting. Perhaps they should look more closely at cult leaders like Jim Jones, who preach the word of God yet commit atrocities much more heinous than anything a so-called Satanist would ever do, or are con-men like Peter Popoff who trick and steal and plunder under the guise of Christian charity. They look fairer but feel fouler, as Frodo would say.
Agreed, most people do indeed seem to have a very poor and imaginative understanding of what Satanism (as most often practiced) actually is. Most Satanist's are actually quite rationalistic in nature and are into the indulgence of the flesh, not actual Devil worship.
Quote from: Infected on Feb 23, 2017, 10:32:26 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 23, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
This viral is way better than The Martian's.
By the way, looking at Billy Crudup's character and his lack of confidence I'm not surprised that
Spoiler
David's gonna manipulate him and persuade to look into the egg to get facehugged :)
I already can here Fassbender saying soft and gently "look captain a giant kinder suprise egg, look inside there is a toy waiting for you"
Americans won't get the Kinder Egg reference
Lol
Billy Cudrup's character seems rather dubious from that prologue. As others have stated surely one that is manipulated by a certain (former bodyless) android. Another antagonist to enter the mix or a pawn in David's endgame.
"The trouble with the Alien: Covenant prologue"
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/23/14712428/alien-covenant-prologue-ridley-scott
That is, several films from the past at least tried something new. That does not seem to be the case for this one.
Quote from: monkeylove on Feb 26, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
"The trouble with the Alien: Covenant prologue"
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/23/14712428/alien-covenant-prologue-ridley-scott
That is, several films from the past at least tried something new. That does not seem to be the case for this one.
Based on a single ambiguous trailer and viral that won't even make it into the film. It's way too early to make judgement calls, if you ask me.
But it's how they're choosing to market the film. They want it to look familiar and like all those other movies everyone liked because that's probably how the film is going to feel.
Lookin good in the polls, seems like a pretty positive reception. Can't wait for the green band trailer
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 26, 2017, 11:21:07 AM
Quote from: monkeylove on Feb 26, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
"The trouble with the Alien: Covenant prologue"
http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/23/14712428/alien-covenant-prologue-ridley-scott
That is, several films from the past at least tried something new. That does not seem to be the case for this one.
Based on a single ambiguous trailer and viral that won't even make it into the film. It's way too early to make judgement calls, if you ask me.
I think the evidence is pretty clear. If Covenant somehow *doesn't* turn out as another annoying remake of the series original with some aspects of the second movie thrown in for good measure, like Force Awakens, it will be a pleasant surprise. But it looks like that's what we're getting. I suppose the one real difference is Fassbender's droid, and we've already seen his act in Prometheus. It's kind of too bad the only extra David 8 is Walter. I'd have enjoyed seeing a whole shipload of them mitigating risks for humanity, maybe visiting LV423 to investigate. But then, even that would have been nothing more than a callback to I Robot. It seems odd that, 10 years on, the obligatory robot has the same face and body as David 8. Of course, some parts of the movie might not work if the thing resembles a different person.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2017, 11:39:29 AM
But it's how they're choosing to market the film. They want it to look familiar and like all those other movies everyone liked because that's probably how the film is going to feel.
Yes, exactly!
Quote from: SiL on Feb 26, 2017, 11:39:29 AM
But it's how they're choosing to market the film. They want it to look familiar and like all those other movies everyone liked because that's probably how the film is going to feel.
Sometimes a film's marketing betrays its true nature. Just look at movies like Alien 3 or Crimson Peak.
James Franco's Captain was feeling ill.... So has that anything to do with what follows? Or a red herring?
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Quote from: RidgeTop on Feb 26, 2017, 04:16:33 PM
Sometimes a film's marketing betrays its true nature. Just look at movies like Alien 3 or Crimson Peak.
Sometimes there is a swerve, but more often these days, the marketing gives away the whole movie, including plot points and secrets best left a surprise. And in the case of this franchise, the marketing can also make the movie look better than it is. *Prometheus* *hack* *choke*
Burdern of proof is still on the movie to not be a turd.
Quote from: Marcus9000 on Feb 26, 2017, 04:32:13 PM
James Franco's Captain was feeling ill.... So has that anything to do with what follows? Or a red herring?
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Mild
Spoiler
A bit of a red herring. Don't expect to see much of him in the film though.
I can't say anyone who I've spoken to who has seen a screening of the film has said it comes across as a repeat of Alien.
Good to know. But is this actually the Alien film we've been waiting for? That's the only question that really matters. And I guess we'll find out in a couple months.
Good old Jack Daniel's ... Tennessee Whiskey ;)
(https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/02/01fd04ed0a1beaef-600x400.jpg)
rewatched it a couple of times. altough it looks much more grounded from this clip than Prometheus its still not as grounded as Alien 1-2-3 was. also Crudup's acting stands out in this clip, you can learn about his character so much
- obviously he is the vice captain in rank yet the captain trust in his pilot more (just look at his face when the captain sets the pilot in charge)
- obviously he wanted to do the speech instead of Daniels (again his expression)
Probably he will do a bunch of dumb shit as soon as he will be in charge officially after the captains death just to prove himself.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Feb 26, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
Good to know. But is this actually the Alien film we've been waiting for? That's the only question that really matters. And I guess we'll find out in a couple months.
But what is the "Alien film we've been waiting for"? It seems there isn't a general consensus of what that would be, and after all, Alien and Aliens were as different (and as good) as two films could be. I expect Alien Covenant to be as divisive, with fans, as Prometheus (just based on general expectations and reception thus far), but it looks like it has a tone that may well appeal to general cinema goers that will, a least, result in 'popularity'.
Quote from: Darth Vile on Feb 26, 2017, 08:23:19 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Feb 26, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
Good to know. But is this actually the Alien film we've been waiting for? That's the only question that really matters. And I guess we'll find out in a couple months.
But what is the "Alien film we've been waiting for"? It seems there isn't a general consensus of what that would be, and after all, Alien and Aliens were as different (and as good) as two films could be. I expect Alien Covenant to be as divisive, with fans, as Prometheus (just based on general expectations and reception thus far), but it looks like it has a tone that may well appeal to general cinema goers that will, a least, result in 'popularity'.
Well-written, well-executed, free of groaner garbage. Prometheus could have been an outstanding movie, but it wasn't. That's on Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof, especially Lindelof. If Scott wanted distance from the rest of the franchise, he should have made more of a stand-alone sci fi movie out of it. His half-in/half-out approach was part of the problem, and it's easy to say what went wrong. Smart people repeatedly behaved stupidly, dialogue was awful, Engineers behaved like moronic savages, Engineers were nothing more than bald pale men, Engineers role was stolen from the Predators in AVP, AVP did that part better, the critter at the end looked silly and added nothing.
I'm also not going to say the Spaihts script was better. I think the array of monsters he provided were mostly too easily dispatched and the Ultramorph was a stupid idea. Just making the ordinary monster bigger does not make it better. The Queen is bigger, but the Queen adds value to the equation. She lays the eggs and exerts control over her underlings. She was an antagonist, too.
Now we have Covenant on the way. What would make it great? Well-executed script with ideas that are more than Alien saga retreads. Will we get that? It doesn't look that way. Seems like it's a blob of of retread ideas swizzled into a familiar mix. It seems Scott is more interested in recreating the tone of the original, topping the chestburster, and saying, "You want xenomorphs? Here you go." Except it's not the real biomechanical horror, is it? No. It's primal and sort of fleshy, just like the creatures in all the movies from A3 on. It also seems saddled with a ton of groaner material.
-David 8 makes the Alien. Really? What a letdown. Ok. Some people like the idea. Good for them. I obviously don't.
-Ripley isn't there, but we'll insert the obligatory Ripley surrogate. Hi Daniels. She might be Ripley's mommy. Great. Ugh!
-The viral video is 4 minutes of callback material.
-And we have blood - By the look of the trailer, lots of blood. But does extra blood make the movie better? Alien had some blood. It worked fine. Aliens had almost no blood. Mostly, the blood was bright yellow acid blood, not deep-red human blood.
Blood is not what makes the movies great. Alien, it's the sense of immersion and the believable nature of the characters that make it work.The mysteries are cool. Derelict, spacejockey, eggs, creature: All Lovecraftian things full of horror and foreboding. They stood the test of time, and Scott is busy crapping them up. It's disgusting. Aliens, it's the story and character interactions that make it go. The Queen is great, but the warriors act too much like cannon fodder. There are some excellent scenes and it's mostly a fun movie to watch. The series goes rapidly downhill after that.
I think you're right. Covenant is going to be another polarizing movie. But like Prometheus, it will be polarizing for all the wrong reasons. If Scott could just deliver a movie of the same quality as Alien or Aliens, all would be right with the world. But I think he can't. I doubt this will be the movie we're waiting for. That may have to wait however many years for a new director to give it a try, and might never happen.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 26, 2017, 07:53:02 PM
Good old Jack Daniel's ... Tennessee Whiskey ;)
https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2017/02/01fd04ed0a1beaef-600x400.jpg
Ha! Nice catch!
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 26, 2017, 08:03:54 PM
rewatched it a couple of times. altough it looks much more grounded from this clip than Prometheus its still not as grounded as Alien 1-2-3 was. also Crudup's acting stands out in this clip, you can learn about his character so much
- obviously he is the vice captain in rank yet the captain trust in his pilot more (just look at his face when the captain sets the pilot in charge)
- obviously he wanted to do the speech instead of Daniels (again his expression)
Probably he will do a bunch of dumb shit as soon as he will be in charge officially after the captains death just to prove himself.
I know what you mean. Cudrup is not subtle at all in this. I think it's because it's both a story piece and a marketing piece. They're using the viral marketing to build the characters. Subtlety goes out the window when you have a short piece of time.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Feb 26, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
Good to know. But is this actually the Alien film we've been waiting for? That's the only question that really matters. And I guess we'll find out in a couple months.
Maybe at this stage its probably easier to say what I don't want it to be, than what I do. I don't want it to be 2 hours of a bloodbath and then we all get out of our seats and go home. And I don't want it to be too Prometheus-y.
I don't want to be let down by trailers that promise there's much more in store than there actually is in terms of plot and scale. And I certainly don't want wooden not fleshed out characters or half-baked or completely lacking science. Its 2017 - there are 3000+ confirmed exoplanets already out there. Gimme something futuristically plausible about colonization with a slice of Xeno on the side please.
I've rewatched the A L I E N dvd more times than I care to imagine and I still feel the butterflies in my stomach partly because the characters are somehow relatable. I feel like I can put myself in their shoes more than any of the other alien franchise characters. The Prologue works for me because while there are a lot of throwbacks to Alien, if you strip all that away, you basically have group dynamics just like what you often see at work, in the office/factory/whatever. Who is the office bike/clown/drunk/backstabber etc...
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2017, 04:41:22 AM
He suggested that the Nostromo crew weren't necessarily all hetero.
[Request Clarification of SM Comment, Please: where was this suggested?]
Pretty sure it was on the commentary for the original DVD release.
(Mind you it's been a while since I listened to it, so might be misremembering.)
re:motherfather: I like your answer :)
Quote from: SM on Feb 27, 2017, 12:21:50 AM
Pretty sure it was on the commentary for the original DVD release.
(Mind you it's been a while since I listened to it, so might be misremembering.)
Ok. I was thinking along the lines of the cut scene between Ripley and Lambert, about Ash.
So is there a trailer with Logan, or not.
I'm planning to see Logan on Wednesday so will mention if it's there.
Thanks. 8)
Interested to see if it's greenband, or the one we were supposed to get @ super bowl??
Quote from: Walter on Feb 22, 2017, 05:56:28 PM
Alien Anthology Instagram Page posted this Album - "See how it all began"
http://imgur.com/gallery/3ba3l
So I'm living in Europe and approximately what time this TV spot will arrive ?
Time 21:56 PM
Some wider versions of these stills and one without the text -
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5qbdvzWAAA2wek.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5qbe3uWgAAbNEA.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5qbfwfWgAAqBNq.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5qbgh-XMAAO2JT.jpg)
https://twitter.com/20thCFoxSp/status/836159967589707776
And now a bunch of stills - http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=362
I was thinking, the Covenant sought of shares similarities with the Hadley's Hope building structures -
(https://img-new.cgtrader.com/items/617848/39e945ff59/lv-426-colonial-hadleys-hope-3d-model-dae-skp.jpg)
It would make sense. I think it's pretty standard fare in sci-fi that the ships transporting the colonists are often used as the foundations for the colony itself.
Gonna make a small bet here....Trailer in Logan will either be the exact same one we have now, or very little will be added (maybe slightly changed score, etc). I just have this suspicion that RS has put massive suppression on any new/revealing trailers leading up to this film. In a way I like what Fox and RS are doing here as I am interested to see how this impacts overall reviews and revenue vs Prom, etc. I am trying to see if there was anything was done like this in the past where there was this much hold back leading up to an big release like this.
Didn't someone who saw the green band trailer say it was very different from the red band one?
CdL mentioned it on Twitter after the LA Showcase.
So I've been thinking about it and CdL never actually mentioned a green-band trailer. I reckon it was that Daniels vignette that we heard about at the other Showcase events and we just jumped the gun on it.
If the Logan trailer is "red-band", or whatever the UK equivalent is, then that'll be really interesting because I've literally only ever seen one red-band trailer in the cinema over here.
What is meant to be the time difference between Prometheus and Covenant again?
I ask because in 'The Last Supper' one of the crew casually mentions bugs at a colonial outpost, yet in Prometheus the worms were apparently the first time life beyond Earth was discovered.
Quote from: irn on Feb 28, 2017, 03:09:24 PMI ask because in 'The Last Supper' one of the crew casually mentions bugs at a colonial outpost, yet in Prometheus the worms were apparently the first time life beyond Earth was discovered.
That scene was cut from the film, so it wouldn't break any continuity if life had been found previous to
Prometheus anyway.
Quote from: irn on Feb 28, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
What is meant to be the time difference between Prometheus and Covenant again?
I ask because in 'The Last Supper' one of the crew casually mentions bugs at a colonial outpost, yet in Prometheus the worms were apparently the first time life beyond Earth was discovered.
Covenant takes place 10 years after Prometheus, so it could be that more alien life (whether Xeno or not) has been spotted. I like to think that nearly a century from now people are still using shitty cameras to take videos and photos of alien spottings.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Feb 26, 2017, 11:21:07 AM
Based on a single ambiguous trailer and viral that won't even make it into the film. It's way too early to make judgement calls, if you ask me.
Hardly saw anything ambiguous in either.
I hope they do more shorts like this, extra scenes that couldn't make it into the film but serve to explore more about the crew. Hopefully they don't take away too much from any character development in the main film. Honestly, I thought the Prometheus viral marketing was spot on, so I hope Covenant's remains just as good, if not, better.
Plus look at Walter, like a boss. No dramatic running, just a simple smack on the back and it's all good.
saw logan tonight (really good btw)
my showing had the new green band attached
Looks like we're a bit late with this one: http://www.rsafilms.com/17444/luke-scott-directs-prologue-last-supper-the-official-prologue-to-alien-covenant
I gathered as much, but this trailer is a viral by Scott's son, why use it in the trailer? Well, I think it is to be misleading. At least is a largely contained scene, in a single room. But it seems strange to see it mixed with what I assume is mostly for the movie. I know Prometheus' trailers featured footage that didn't make it into the theatrical cut of that film. How much footage from Covenant's trailers will likewise be omitted?
It's not unusual at all to see footage in a trailer that isn't going to be used in the film.
Enjoyed his "Morgan". Felt like watching the early origins of W-Y's synthetics
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 04, 2017, 07:56:41 PMIt's not unusual at all to see footage in a trailer that isn't going to be used in the film.
The
Tango & Cash trailer is made up almost exclusively of footage that doesn't actually appear in the film :laugh:
Really? Fascinating. I know it's been a thing since, well, trailers. I just hate it if they feature something that I actually like in a trailer than doesn't make it into the movie.
That's never bothered me.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Mar 05, 2017, 06:56:42 PM
That's never bothered me.
Has there ever been a scene in a trailer that you wanted in the film, however?
Never. I'm so engaged in a film while watching it, the thought of a trailer scene not being in the movie doesn't cross my mind until afterwards. And even then I don't care, and don't take it personally.
The missing trailer stuff generally pops up in the deleted scenes, anyway.
https://chriseyerman.com/work/the-last-supper/
That link doesn't work for me... what was the gist?
Quote from: Darth Vile on Mar 15, 2017, 09:01:50 AM
That link doesn't work for me... what was the gist?
It's a link to the production company that made the Last Supper clip, that's all. Same folks who did the Prometheus viral work (and The Martian).
After listening to the recent AvPGalaxy podcast where The Last Supper was discussed, I've re-evaluated the choking scene.
Like many people here, I thought it was kind of a lame fakeout reference to the chestburster, but I've realized that, like the rest of the clip, it exists to illustrate the dynamics of the ship's crew. In this case, it gives us a situation that's literally comparable to the Nostromo's crew.
When Kane starts "choking," everyone stands up and the closest people to him, especially Dallas and Parker, immediately take hold of him to try and help him. You can see Lambert get knocked over trying to help when he starts convulsing. Even Ash, who has the most to gain from Kane's death, springs into action to put something in his mouth to bite on as everyone tries to hold him down during his seizure.
Compare with the Last Supper, where nobody is getting chestbursted, a woman is simply choking. What happens? The whole crew stands around dumbfounded before Walter bails them out. These people are not really prepared to handle being stuck on a spaceship, let alone starting a colony... or running into xenomorphs.