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I personally really liked Alien Resurrection, yet most people didn't. Why didn't you like it, or why did you?   

What I like:
- The cinematography.
- The underwater scene.
- Christie.
- Weaver's acting, I find it to be one of the her most entertaining perfomances.

I dislike the rest especially:
- The idea of mixing the alien with other species.
- The newborn, its design, its unpleasent and overlong birth, its nule movement. I absolutely hate it.
- Annoying characters like Wren, Perez and Distephano.
- The humor.

Liked:
-the cinematography
-Kim Flowers's ass

Didn't like:
-the Poor Man's Freudian mumbo-jumbo
-killing off Ripley's true nemesis, Weyland Yutani
-how Weyland Yutani had been killed off: being bought out by Wal*Mart
-most of the characters, especially Johner, Vriess, Call, Johner, DiStephano, Purvis, and Johner
-the Newborn
-the bad dialogue
-the idea that people liked the premise of this movie even though it was launched by something as probable as magic

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The aliens looked like turds.

Way too much change from the Giger design. Just because it has a smooth head does not make it a Giger Alien; the body changes count too.

AVP at least got rid of the "velociraptor legs" and made the aliens black in color again.

Aliens should not have velociraptor legs. Not unless one uses a raptor as a host, unlikely being that dinosaurs are extinct. Unless the Auriga scientists were cloning them too. "Ohh shit facehuggers got into the raptor room!".

Ok, the Queen was reduced to a plot device. No action for the meanest alien in the nest, nope she gives birth to the fugly alien hybrid, then gets a cheap shot to the face by the little bastard.

I also hated the "happy go lucky" attitude in the film. The "in jokes" made my stomach turn more than ay chest bursting ever could. "must be chick thing", "you're an asshole model?"

"OOOOOH look she sank a basketball without any special effects; that is because aliens have superb basketball skills. She must have inherited it from them! "

You can tell that the Alien movies have gone down hill when they have to resort to bad humor to horrify you.

Same thing in AVP: "hunters moon.......wa hah hah he hur" = BLERGH BARF!

i liked the newborn! but true, the queen didn't have much of a role like in aliens.

I have to agree with whoever said Weaver was good. She did a really good job in differating the Ripley and Ripley 8 characters.

What I Liked:
-Underwater Scene

What I Didn't Like:
-Alien Designs
-Entire Story - Cloning Ripley.
-The Dialogue
-The Fact Weaver was in it.
-The scene prior to the Newborn with Ripley being dragged away.
-Newborn
-Acting
-Gediman & Wren.

What I liked:

The aliens setting a trap
The aliens showing some intelligence

What I disliked:
The backstory was really dumb especially with the company gone
The aliens were over done, too much slime too much noise
Far too much gore for the sake of it.

What I liked:
-Military run Alien bio-weapon project.
-The fear of synthetics spreading.
-Weaver's acting
-That guy (Wren?) shotting Call when she gave him the gun. Priceless.

What I didn't like:
-The burner shock rifles they were inferior looking to the pulse rifle.
-The fact that technology didn't seem to advance. In fact, it looked like it regressed.
-The newborn. Even it's death sucked (no pun intended).
-Wal*Wart buying WY.
-The fact that Fox used a French director. I recall Joss Whedon mentioning him as part of the problem.
-The incompetence of the Auriga personnel.

Liked:

Disliked:

That bit between the opening and closing credits.

they ruined the saga and chucked in cheap actors with shitty lines. I'll forgive them if there is a great 5th

liked:
turning it off

Disliked:
......it all!

im australian and movies here are given a much lower rating in america, so we get to see movies that u think r really gory but we dont think so at all, so im used to gore and i didnt notice much in alien resurrection.

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 15, 2007, 04:17:40 PM
-how Weyland Yutani had been killed off: being bought out by Wal*Mart

Yes, that was beyond stupidity.

Quote from: Meathead320 on Jan 15, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
?OOOOOH look she sank a basketball without any special effects; that is because aliens have superb basketball skills. She must have inherited it from them! ?

lol

Quote from: bullethead on Jan 17, 2007, 12:19:50 AM
-The fact that technology didn't seem to advance. In fact, it looked like it regressed.

Agree, that bothers me.

Quote from: Clemens93 on Jan 17, 2007, 10:51:36 PM
im australian and movies here are given a much lower rating in america, so we get to see movies that u think r really gory but we dont think so at all, so im used to gore and i didnt notice much in alien resurrection.

Now why do you like the movie?

Quote from: Clemens93 on Jan 17, 2007, 10:51:36 PM
im australian and movies here are given a much lower rating in america, so we get to see movies that u think r really gory but we dont think so at all, so im used to gore and i didnt notice much in alien resurrection.

Don't worry, there's also a Alien Resurrection fan here too.

at least some1s with me

i liked it coz  it was able to keep me occupied for approx 105 minutes id say it was the movie of 1996 :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

Resurrection is under-rated by fans of the franchise about as much as Alien3 is over-rated.

u must have seen the theatrical release of alien 3- if u watch the spec ed of it ull see why i love it.

I've seen three different versions of Alien3 and while I do love them, they are inferior to Alien and Aliens and about on a par with Resurrection.  In fact Resurrection is probably better than the Workprint and SE now that I think of it.

Three versions? Besides the Assembly Cut and the Theatrical...what else is there?

Liked:

The fact that it had aliens in it.

Disliked:

The whole fact they released another alien movie after A3. Go back and watch Alien 3. Even if you don't like the film, you've got to admit it made the perfect ending to the series.

For many years Ripley had selflessly battled the aliens. She fought them for so long she could barely remember anything else. And so Alien 3 was a great film (IMO) with a perfect ending. Ripley sacrificing herself to ensure the elimination of the species.

And then Resurrection comes along.  >:(

I liked it. I could understand why fans would hate it, but honestly, it wasn't that bad at all. The only problem I had was the cloning. That whole story could've been done without Ripley.

This is without a doubt my least favorite alien movie.  Heck I prefer AvP over Resurrection by far.

Liked...
The scenes of the aliens imprisoned and "learning"

Disliked...
Ripley's character
The whole cloning thing
The aliens looked "wierd" and very CG
Too much humor

Liked:

Jeunet's nod to La cité des enfants perdus with the return of specimen vats and fragmentary mechanical technology (likely compliments of Marc Caro) and the casting of Dominique Pinon.

The look of the film was prim and amazing

Disliked:

Almost the entire crew of the Betty sans Johner and Vriess.

The vocal qualities of the aliens

Of course, the Newborn

The happy ending

QuoteThree versions? Besides the Assembly Cut and the Theatrical...what else is there?

The Workprint.  Different again to the above two.

I've heard about that. What's different?

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I've probably seen Alien resurrection more times than any of the other Alien films, and I've seen ALIEN 3 2nd most of all Alien films, weird  ???

I really cant believe that this is a disucssion. Lets face it, there are 3 Alien films. In my opinion Alien Resurrection never happened.

I think there are afew people who would agree with me. Ive spoken to people i know about this also. The first 3 films have a substance, a dark mellow stylistic quality to them. You watch Alien today and you can its class through and though. The same with Aliens, James cameron saw Alien and wanted to make something just as good but with marines and what he came up with genius! The revealing of the alien queen is one of defining moments in cinema. In my opinion. Just like the chest burster scene in Alien. You cant beat moments like that, adding of course bishops encounter with the queen on the sulaco.

David fincher kept that same dark stylistic tone with Alien 3. I know alot of people give Alien3 alot of slack but i have to say i think its better than aliens in the sense that it has a great cast and the special edition version is just fantasic. I can completely understand why there are so many people that dont like it. But thats because it has to follow in the foot steps of Aliens. Everyone loved Aliens and i think the fans were expecting something along the same lines.

Alien 3 pushed that boundry and changed the design of the alien with the face hugger choising a dog as its host. And the dog alien was still designed by Giger himself. You watch Alien 3 and you can see the potential of David Fiincher. The photography is amazing and the score is just brilliant! has such a sense of dred to it. I would have to say that Alien 3 has the scariest moments out of all of them aswell.

The there is Ressurection. Well.....................to be competly honest there sint anything i like about it. I know that sounds harsh and i know there are fans out there for the film but there really is no comparisson to the first 3 films. The filters for the colour texture is aweful, the alien design is just cringing, ripleys attitide and character ruins everyones respect for her as a person and the aweful things that she has been through. The score is way to over the top and i dont like the instrumentals in the slightest. And also as someone said earlier there is too much slime and noise from the aliens.

The hybrid...................what in gods name? joss wheddon...............WHAT WERE YOU DOING? Serenity is a good film, why on earth did you go and ruin my fave franchise by writting what can only be described as a load of sh*t. And then to top it off, they pick the totally wrong director to take what joss has written and turn it into a motion picture.................... :(

why fox.....why?

there you go end of rant lol

QuoteAnd the dog alien was still designed by Giger himself. You watch Alien 3 and you can see the potential of David Fiincher.

Giger only got credited after lawyers got involved - it was ADI who did the bulk of the work.  And Fincher f**ked Giger around royally.

Quotei think its better than aliens in the sense that it has a great cast and the special edition version is just fantasic

A cast who for the most part you can't tell apart nor care about.  Aliens characters on the other hand were mostly pretty memorable even for Alien fodder.

Quote from: SM on Jan 24, 2007, 10:38:41 PM
I've seen three different versions of Alien3 and while I do love them, they are inferior to Alien and Aliens and about on a par with Resurrection.  In fact Resurrection is probably better than the Workprint and SE now that I think of it.

What do you like about Resurrection?

I have to admit... there are a lot.... A LOT of flaws in RE. It could've been way better, but all in all, I'm glad it was made

Me too, I was so happy in 1996, I just wanted to know every single detail about it. And to experience an Alien movie in theaters again. That was a sweet period :)

QuoteWhat do you like about Resurrection?

I like Siggy, but I like the fact that she wasn't cloned in order to come back and battle Aliens, but only because she was the host - a meat by-product who was almost terminated once they had the Alien.

I was a fan of JPJ prior to A:R and like the overall look of the film - although the constant steam and ship geography did irritate me (but simillarly, the leadworks labyrinth made no sense whatsoever in Alien3).  Wasn't a patch on the Nostromo where everything fitted properly.

I like the Ripley/ Call relationship and the irony of Ripley's human side being brought to the fore by a robot.

I like the concept of the Newborn, but it was lacking in execution.  ADI did a brilliant job on the creature itself - though their best work remains the Bishop puppet from Alien3.

There's other things, but no one's pretending it's as good as Alien or Aliens.  But it's still on a par with Alien3.

alien 3 spec ed is my seond favourite in the series, and it was better then res.

The SE and WP of Alien3 both dragged.  There was a couple of good additions with Golic and some other things, but the theatrical version was the best of the three.

i really dont how you can say RES is better than alien 3! you must have lost it. Ripleys character was ruined in RES. She turned into this horrible person with a bad ass attitude. Thats not the ripley all the fans remember and want to see. I said it before aswell. The photography for RES was poor, far too much light no sense of gloom or death. I really didnt care for anyone in that film.

The crew of the betty was sh*t, there wasnt anyone out of them i actually wanted to see make it to the end. Ill carry on repeating myself lol...............the score was terrible, nothing compared to alien, aliens and alien 3. The franchise was ruined by having joss wheddon write it and JPJ direct.

well i really liked call in res. in res there was no ellen ripley- as call said she died 200 years ago. there was ripley clone 8, a mix of ripley and xenomorph. but we went on a journey with her, and it was intersting to watch her become more and more like ellen ripley and less and less like an alien.

Quotei really dont how you can say RES is better than alien 3!

Didn't.

Quoteyou must have lost it.

Hang on let me check... Nope it's right there where I left it.

QuoteRipleys character was ruined in RES

Well, erm, it wasn't Ripley.

QuoteThe photography for RES was poor, far too much light no sense of gloom or death.

Thought Khondji did a great job.  Musta been watching a different film.

One thing I didn't like was the disturbing way the Hybrid alien died. It's screams turned from alien to human if you listen closely. Ripley and the Hybrid should have been friends! They could play Basketball at the local park, braid each other's hair..

That human sounding screaming was on purpose.

Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on Feb 05, 2007, 02:15:23 AM
One thing I didn't like was the disturbing way the Hybrid alien died. It's screams turned from alien to human if you listen closely. Ripley and the Hybrid should have been friends! They could play Basketball at the local park, braid each other's hair..

hahahaha they could hunt aliens together.

Not a bad idea really.  Both would be easier to reason with than an Alien.

I thought it was a little terrible that Ripley killed the alien hybrid right away, technically it was her kid and she killed it with only a few tears.

It was a symbol of everything she hated about her own existance.  She kills it, she exorcises some of those demons.

Quote from: SM on Feb 05, 2007, 09:56:55 PM
It was a symbol of everything she hated about her own existance.  She kills it, she exorcises some of those demons.

And if she didnt get rid of it it would have killed the rest of the crew.

Yes there's also the practical standpoint.

Yeah I suppose but, one thing I thought was funny was you never saw the whole hybrids body except for one split second on the Betty

How often do you see an Alien's full body in full light?

well you saw the aliens body alot in Alien3 and AVP maybe not in full light though..

That's my point - it's only very brief.

They do that to keep the creatures more mysterious and to keep the viewer wondering what it looks like, also it makes you think you see the full creature but you dont, they say its what the viewer imagins is more important  :P

All well and good for those in the audience with imagination.

I'd prefer they didn't show the newborn, not even a glimpse.

they should have made it look more like an alien  :P

the shape of the head was the only real alien part of the hybrid :P

The head did look like alien head but the body should have been dark like the aliens, it should have had the alien pipes and ridges on it.

Well I actually kindof liked it even though it was missing more alien elements than it should have ;D. heh one part I found funny for some reason is when the hybrid squishes Dystephano's head.

I thought that was tight, i liked Dystephanol, funny though, i didnt mind the Newborn in the film it never botherd me.

Although I did not like the alien queen. Was it just because of the pregnancy or did it seem less mobile to you?

Seemed less mobile because she was reduced to a plot device.

I think the Queen is far more of a badass movie monster than that "genetic turd" the Newborn will ever be.

Quote from: Meathead320 on Feb 07, 2007, 02:20:34 AM
Seemed less mobile because she was reduced to a plot device.

"genetic turd"

Hahahahaha genetic turd.

I've just been watching some BTS stuff on Res, and a few clips from the movie for research for an article for the site. And I have to say, I think the impossible has happened. I've been enjoying it. It might just be possible that AvP has caused me to enjoy this movie more.

I always enjoy it, thats why i was shocked to see how many people that hated it.

Quote from: Mr. Weyland on Feb 08, 2007, 02:53:19 PM
I always enjoy it, thats why i was shocked to see how many people that hated it.

i agree totally. thats why i started this... i wanted to know why evry1 hated it so. i can see now what they dont like... but i have to admit i think hating the movie completely is to much.

A proportion of people who hate it simply hate because the majority does and they're sheep.

Actually liking resurrection is terribly unfashionable.

I don't think it's style is suitable for Aliens universe. I love dark humour, don't get me wrong, but Whedon's style is just not Alien enough for me. I hated the look of the sets, most of the character and the Newborn too. Can't forget that beast.

I really liked Michael Wincott as the leader of the betty, but I didn't like how he was the first of the betty crew to die (why?)...

I liked all of the betty crew and how they smuggled bodies to eventually get impregnated by aliens.

Res was also the first movie that had aliens being grown in a lab with scientists supervising, etc. (similar to alot of the comic storylines)

I can accept the different aliens because they were'nt a pure strain, i.e. they came from cloning, and I loved seeing aliens again in a movie after a long hiatus from the big screen...

the cinematography was perfect IMO...

the newborn could have been better, if you have seen any pics of the maquettes they made, i thought they looked alot better than what we saw on screen...

Well I don't really understand why most people disliked it I loved the movie but, yes I wouldn't rank it as MY favorite.

well i think it totally roxs the world!!! it is so the best of all of them besides aliens. i dunno why evry1 likes alien though, its definately the worst of all...

We like Alien because we like quality cinema ;)

It has it's flaws but in my opinion it's WAY better than alien3. The way they tried to combine alien with aliens was great and a fun gang of characters.

And a good way to end Ripleys story. Remember that she was on her way home in the first movie and then the alien came and the nightmare started and after pain, fighting, death, cloning and a neverending nightmare she finaly gets there but the nightmare that is over is now part of her. Great ending if you ask me.

Alien 3 was the end, this was a restart.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 11, 2007, 05:45:12 AM
We like Alien because we like quality cinema ;)

well sry 2 say i agree with bluey here. after watching alien, i was very lucky to have continued on with aliens. alien in my opinion is the worst of all the alien films.

Alien ressurection?I hate that movie cuz it didn't seem as interesting as the alien movies and it somehow seemed fake im my opinion.

What do you mean by "fake"  ???

Quotealien in my opinion is the worst of all the alien films.

Bah... kids these days.

Alien the worst?!

What the fuh...? 

Further words escape me.  I...I can't...

No, I can't do it.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Even ill-informed opinions.  >:(

Quote from: maledoro on Jan 15, 2007, 04:17:40 PM
Liked:
-Kim Flowers's ass

WORD ;D

I didn't like the fact "The Company" was gone, the fact it was set 200 years after Alien3 (WHY!!?), the humour.... the Auriga crashing into Earth - raises too many questions. I liked this film a lot when I first saw it, but now I rank it below A3. It does have a pretty good "look" to it though. I'd have liked it if it were a little more "serious" and darker.

I did like the clone designs as art but the entire premise of the film was nuts imo.  Some pretty cool visual effects like the viper pit and the assembly line of eggs and hosts but this film was the total death of the beautiful original Alien design.  Alien design in Alien3 was more acceptable to me since the embryo did gestate in a dog & would combine the canine attributes of the host into it's burster/adult apperance.  But Ressurection Aliens killed anything Giger inspired.  If the Alien gestated in a human, as they all did in this film, they would appear as the Giger/Cameron design not as some reptilian beast.  This film is ridiculous in terms of continueity.
@ I Agree that Alien3 was a good end for the films.  It could have been better and I wasn't happy with the killing off of Hicks, but it was alright.  Had that claustrophopic/no escape feel akin to the original, that I liked.

Not really. These design of the AR Aliens could be attributed to the genetic contamination. I mean, I know it's not cannon but that's why I said the AvP Aliens look the same way. They're mutations.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
Not really. These design of the AR Aliens could be attributed to the genetic contamination. I mean, I know it's not cannon but that's why I said the AvP Aliens look the same way. They're mutations.

I don't see why adding MORE human DNA would make the aliens have tri-segmented legs, if anything their appearance should have been more humanoid.

When I saw the skinny dinosaurian legs, I thought to myself; "where did those come from?"

I am not fond of the brown color either. But I could see that being too much human DNA. It does make them look slightlymore organic, and less biomechanic.

Although I do prefer the Biomechanic look better.

Pity ADI don't feel the same way.

new born looked pants so did the queen.... and the aliens

It's a soddy conclusion. I would have much preferred the final conflict be with a "genuine" alien rather than that freakshow.  :(

Quote from: Newsfop on Feb 26, 2007, 02:04:25 AM
It's a soddy conclusion. I would have much preferred the final conflict be with a "genuine" alien rather than that freakshow.  :(

a predator would have been fun  ;D

QuoteIt's a soddy conclusion.

It wasn't intended to be a conclusion.  During production there was every intention to conclude with an Alien V, but it didn't do well enough at the box office to justify it.

They should never have gotten rid of Weyland Yutani, in my opinion they were on of the most intersting aspects of all the aline movies, except resurrection. Weyland yutani could have been explored so much more, with political and military intrigue intertwined, plus they never should have killed off hicks or the girl anyway.

A:R is certainly not my favorite, but I liked some of its ideas.  Ripley 8 killing her clone in the same way the original Ripley killed Dallas in one of the deleted scenes from the first Alien movie was a nice touch, kinda bringing the series full circle.  While the Newborn design certainly isn't even close to H.R. Giger's original Alien design, I think that was the point: to make something look so malformed and freakish to reinforce the idea that it's not supposed to exist AT ALL (much like the final BrundleFly creature from Cronenberg's remake of The Fly, which looked like a walking cancer tumor).  Also, while it may seem odd to have an Alien sequel set hundreds of years after the previous entry, it adds a timeless "mythic hero" feel to the Ripley story.  Just as the hero goes on a quest, Ripley left on her quest in Aliens (after already being displaced in time for 57 years after Alien), died in A3, and then resurrected and finally returned to Earth in A:R, having finally vanquished her personal demons (so to speak). 

Liked the number of aliens in it.  They are a swarming race so its just not right when there is only one.

Quote from: Fury_616 on Feb 27, 2007, 01:30:14 AM
Also, while it may seem odd to have an Alien sequel set hundreds of years after the previous entry, it adds a timeless "mythic hero" feel to the Ripley story.  Just as the hero goes on a quest, Ripley left on her quest in Aliens (after already being displaced in time for 57 years after Alien), died in A3, and then resurrected and finally returned to Earth in A:R, having finally vanquished her personal demons (so to speak). 

I keep coming back to the same line of thinking about A:R though. "I don't know any of these people. That looks like Ripley, but it's not her. It has her memories, but does not share her actions. In fact, she doesn't even contain strictly Ripley memories. The thought about monsters belongs to Newt.

I consider Ripley 8 to be the offspring of Ellen Ripley, more like her daughter; it's sort of a "sins of the mother" sort of thing.

QuoteThe thought about monsters belongs to Newt.

Which she related to Ripley, therefore it's part of Ripley's memories.

Quote


Didn't like:

-how Weyland Yutani had been killed off: being bought out by Wal*Mart

I thought that was funny.

Quote
"OOOOOH look she sank a basketball without any special effects; that is because aliens have superb basketball skills. She must have inherited it from them! "

You can tell that the Alien movies have gone down hill when they have to resort to bad humor to horrify you.

Same thing in AVP: "hunters moon.......wa hah hah he hur" = BLERGH BARF!

Well , learning some Italian...ok, it was stupid.   
And you didn't know xenomorphs were good basketball players?  (Couldn't resist that one :D)

Quote
Alien ressurection?I hate that movie cuz it didn't seem as interesting as the alien movies and it somehow seemed fake im my opinion.

I agree. It didn't have the right feeling.

Quote from: anubis083 on Feb 27, 2007, 12:04:24 PM
Liked the number of aliens in it.  They are a swarming race so its just not right when there is only one.

Thus we have retconning.

Originally, we only saw one. Aliens showed us many, and showed them swarming. So, Aliens must swarm, and only one Alien doesn't make sense because of it.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2007, 09:35:03 PM
Thus we have retconning.

Originally, we only saw one. Aliens showed us many, and showed them swarming. So, Aliens must swarm, and only one Alien doesn't make sense because of it.

True, but it's never been fully explained where the Aliens came from, so how a lone Alien Warrior would function without a hive/queen is left up to the movies.  I know that Giger envisioned the Alien as a kind of solitary predator with a short life span, a creature that not only uses hosts for chestbursters but also uses them to make eggs (which is what it tried do to Brett in the deleted scenes of Alien).  Then there's the theory that the Aliens were engineered by the Space Jockeys as a weapon that survives in any environment (I believe this is what Rildey Scott thought), which I would assume applies to both multiple Aliens building a hive and single Aliens simply hunting and killing prey.  While some fans would regard the Brett scene in Alien as apocryphal when compared to Aliens, I assumed that a single Alien was capable of "molding" a host into becoming an egg that features a queen facehugger.  Sort of like how some species (such as certain fish) are capable of changing gender, a single Alien could be capable of starting a hive even without a queen present, thus leaving the Space Jockeys with the option of sending out just one egg to "get the job done", so to speak.

QuoteI know that Giger envisioned the Alien as a kind of solitary predator

Giger, O'Bannon, Scott...

Actually, O'Bannon envisioned them as having their own culture, a stance Scott agreed with. After the stage we saw in the first movie, it would become something more intelligent, with a society and rituals and what-have-you. Giger worded it best - Not only is the Alien deadly, it's also ignorant. Personally, I think that would've made the Alien better than any hack-and-slash movie monster out there. Something that is actually intelligent, with a definite society but one we can't comprehend. Now it just runs around screaming at people.

QuoteGiger worded it best - Not only is the Alien deadly, it's also ignorant.

The was Dan the Man - not Hans Rudi.

Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2007, 11:20:53 PM
Actually, O'Bannon envisioned them as having their own culture, a stance Scott agreed with. After the stage we saw in the first movie, it would become something more intelligent, with a society and rituals and what-have-you. Giger worded it best - Not only is the Alien deadly, it's also ignorant. Personally, I think that would've made the Alien better than any hack-and-slash movie monster out there. Something that is actually intelligent, with a definite society but one we can't comprehend. Now it just runs around screaming at people.

Ah. The wonders of fanfiction...

Quote from: SM on Mar 04, 2007, 11:46:40 PM
The was Dan the Man - not Hans Rudi.

Not in my world it wasn't :'(

Quote from: SiL on Mar 04, 2007, 11:20:53 PM
Actually, O'Bannon envisioned them as having their own culture, a stance Scott agreed with. After the stage we saw in the first movie, it would become something more intelligent, with a society and rituals and what-have-you. Giger worded it best - Not only is the Alien deadly, it's also ignorant. Personally, I think that would've made the Alien better than any hack-and-slash movie monster out there. Something that is actually intelligent, with a definite society but one we can't comprehend. Now it just runs around screaming at people.

If I recall correctly from the AVP DVD (or it could've been from the Alien Quadrilogy box set--I forget) O'Bannon mentioned that if he were in charge of AVP, he would've had it that the Alien eventually becomes the Predator in one of its later stages.  While it would've been interesting to see and Alien civilization, the mixing of Aliens and Predators like that would've killed the fun, IMHO.

QuoteNot in my world it wasn't

My geekiness knows no bounds!!!

*pushes up nerdling glasses*

We shall battle to the death!

*squeezes eyes shut and flails wildy with open palms in SiLs general direction*

Quote from: Fury_616 on Mar 05, 2007, 11:56:29 PM
If I recall correctly from the AVP DVD (or it could've been from the Alien Quadrilogy box set--I forget) O'Bannon mentioned that if he were in charge of AVP, he would've had it that the Alien eventually becomes the Predator in one of its later stages.  While it would've been interesting to see and Alien civilization, the mixing of Aliens and Predators like that would've killed the fun, IMHO.

Thank God he wasn't in charge of AvP then!

I think that the fascination is still alive because of just how many questions have still gone unanswered. The only real way to get everything is to have a movie with the Alien as the protagonist in the vein of storytelling such as Antz or A Bug's Life. That is of course something I hope to never see.

Alien Resurrection is a great movie, despite what people think. Everyone that I talked to who liked the other alien movies hated it. My reasoning for liking it is that I think the whole concept of human cloning to be quite fasinating, so the idea of cloning Ripley was something I could see happening. The overall movie I believe reflects mankinds need for science and if and when the first human is actually cloned would only prove how curious and experimental we are. The fact that the scientists in the movie clone Ripley and experiment with alien/human DNA is something that I could definitely see someone doing. If you read the novel of Alien Resurrection I think it fills in the gaps on what was left out in the original movie and makes you appreciate more what the characters were in fact going through at the time. The only things I would consider annoying were the fact that Weyland-Yuntani was reduced to being bought out by Wal-Mar which makes no sense and the fact that they cut scenes like the remembering Newt and exteneded speech in the chapel. If they did make an Alien 5 I could see them using Ripley 8 but maybe she is more docile and somewhat more human because of the destruction of the Aliens. Then again who knows. I think they should bring back Weaver, whether or not they decide she deserves to be the star of the show, that's up the "company". If Alien 5, is made and its the last of Ripley than she needs to go out in a full circle sort of way.

Likes:

Call, shes hot.
Weavers acting.
Some characters, mainly the smugglers.

Dislikes:

New born
Queen
Back ground story.
Under water scene, was coll but impossible to hold your breathe that long, if you hadnt noticed very few people in the world can but most of those people in the movie were jsut ordinary.

Dont knows:

Alien design, didnt like the legs, dont like the brownish, but i sorta kinda like the design they just made the head to small.

You know, I don't get it. I really do not.

I must've been absent the day people handed out the ability-to-find-Winona-Ryder-attractive genes. I don't find anything about her alluring or even the slightest bit sexually appealing.

Could someone PLEASE explain to me what is so fabulous about this woman?

Some people dig on her waifish/ childlike looks.  She's fairly good looking conventionally speaking, though I don't personally find her attractive.  It took my several viewings to warm to her performance in Res.

Everything I've seen her in, she looks bizarre, and not in a good way. Good way bizarre would be Milla Jovich in The Fifth Element covered in ventilation suit in a silly bandage outfit. Winona is just so unappealing in my opinion.

I find Milla even less attractive than Noni.

My opinion. i think its brilliant because it shows exactly how humans have the thought of been able to tamper with whatever they please. it shows mans inability to let things be. So therefore we should get what we deserve. Pi$$ed off Aliens.

As for some of the script, well a i think a 3rd year student could have written some better lines. Really need to lose a few quirks in a horror. unless its b-grade.

Kill em All

Alien Resurrection was a surprisingly good film the first time i saw it, suspensfull and action packed.
It kicked Alien 3s a**.
But even though it had it's good points like the underwater scene it still had nothing on Alien 1 or Aliens.

I hate that it contradicted nearly all the novels because it was set 200 years after Alien 3. If they set it only a few decades after Alien 3 and Weyland-Yutani still existed it wouldn't have contradicted anything.

Liked:
-Weaver (Duh!!)
-Underwater Scene
-The intelligence of the aliens
-The chestburster going through his windpipe and out the other guy's head.  ;D
-The newborn's death
-The fact that Paris, France is now a desolate wasteland
-Improved special effects since Alien 3
-The other Ripley experiments


Didn't Like:
-Crapping dialogue
-Didn't feel like an Alien movie
-All the other actors (save Perlman)
-Dumb story
-The newborn
-And a buncha other stuff

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2007, 02:44:50 PM

Quote from: Fury_616 on Mar 05, 2007, 11:56:29 PM
If I recall correctly from the AVP DVD (or it could've been from the Alien Quadrilogy box set--I forget) O'Bannon mentioned that if he were in charge of AVP, he would've had it that the Alien eventually becomes the Predator in one of its later stages.  While it would've been interesting to see and Alien civilization, the mixing of Aliens and Predators like that would've killed the fun, IMHO.

Thank God he wasn't in charge of AvP then!

What is it with O'Bannon and his silly idea that aliens become civilized once they reach a certain age? Aliens and Predators are so different it would be like saying a human becomes a giant spider at a certain stage of development. However, there are some people who don't understand the concept of aliens borrowing DNA from their hosts and take the Predalien chestburster in AVP as evidence that aliens and Predators are somehow the same species. These are the same type of people who think that the Space Jockey was a Predator and that the Derelict was the giant Predator ship in AVP.

Oh, gee, I dunno maybe it's the orginal idea of the guy who created the Alien in the first place.

Quote from: Extroheal on Mar 29, 2007, 01:23:29 AM
What is it with O'Bannon and his silly idea that aliens become civilized once they reach a certain age?

That was how he originally envisaged it way back when it was still called Star Beast: Ridley Scott agreed with, and liked, the idea. Unfortunately, its on-screen evidence was thrown away for matters of pacing and making the movie less than 3 hours long.

The adults use livestock to birth their young, then from their burster stage until a while later they're mindless carnivorous monsters who eat eat eat and eat some more. Then they mellow out, loose a few limbs - The Alien was originally a 4-6 armed squamous creature - become civilised, learn the art of communication through literature and art, and live a full scholarly life of 200 years.

Then Cameron comes in a few years later and goes 'Heheheh, no, that's just retarded. The Alien? Civilised? Please, it eats people. That's what it does. It's also pretty bug-like, so we'll make it a termite. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go rape your brainchild.'

Lots of people created the alien. O'Bannon only started it. They've been developed in a completely different direction from O'Bannon's original idea so it's silly to bring it back unless he plans to create an Alien remake.

QuoteLots of people created the alien. O'Bannon only started it.

O'Bannon created it: Everyone else just expanded on it.

QuoteThey've been developed in a completely different direction from O'Bannon's original idea so it's silly to bring it back unless he plans to create an Alien remake.

Wasn't saying we should go back. However, I think you could easily give the Aliens human-level intelligence in a film and still have them as the same old nasty space monster. It'd just make them even more dangerous.

Think about it - All the Aliens we've ever seen have been young, and all of them act purely based on the situation they're born into. So, if we had a hive which was older, and had time to learn and grow and adapt and think up all kinds of new strategies for dealing in their environment and the things within it, I don't see it as too much of a stretch that Aliens could become really quite intelligent.

It's just that everyone automatically thinks '8 foot ants!', ignorant of the fact ants have pretty damned complex social systems and, in a lot of cases, surprisingly 'human' characteristics.

Beat me to it on both counts.

Who's yo daddy? Who's yo daddy?

Beat me some more!

You like it like that! You like it it like that!


..Okay, I just weirded me out.

Let us never speak of this again...

I won't tell if you won't ...

I think alien 4 was a good movie. But they left is hanging so there can be alien 5 but know they
can't make alien 5 because of avp. So theirs no chance for a fifh alien.

I was watching a documentary on on American Movie Classics or some other station and if I remember correctly from it, they main reason they wanted to make Alien Res was because Alien 3 didn't bring in that much money and they wanted to make up for that imbalance. It was kinda like when they made the jaws sequels, just for money and the story lines were crap. I kinda compare alien rez to that.

What do you think, Did you hate it or did you like it? I personally didnt really like it. It was alright at first but i have really grown to dislike it.

Well, I'm still unmoved. It was still a good film, if only because of Sigourney Weaver's and Winona Ryder's performances.

I dont know what everyones fussing about I loved Alien Reserection (My fav in the series), The humor did suck tho, but besides that i thought it was amazing, you realy got to know all of the characters (genral perez died waaay to quickly tho), allso thye shouls have had more confratations with the aliens, But all in all it continues to be my favrote movie in the franchise

Grid Alien

it was good, not my favourite in the series.

I've had this urge to watch it again recently.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 12, 2007, 09:46:48 AM
I've had this urge to watch it again recently.

Yeah i've had moments like that strange isn't it.  We hate this movie but at times some of us still watch it.  I can't watch it without cringing or cursing.  A friend of mine loves the Alien Rez and is always trying to give me reasons to like it.  She also likes AVP....say no more...

I'd rather watch AvP over res. The main reason, they just didn't need to make Res. The Alien series would have ended brilliantly with A3, and been a great trilogy. AvP, as screwed up as it is, is still a new series in a way, and may have re-vitalized the industry with more AvP films (and hopefully a Predator film; thats one film that is needed).

*sn***ers* Industry.

Quoteand may have re-vitalized the industry with more AvP films

More pillars of nonsense to follow the first!!  Yay!!  :D

Well nightfall over at ALien Legend has some interestings things to say about Alien Rez:

http://www.planetavp.com/al/AlienResurrection/MyThoughts/index.htm

I remember reading this years ago.

My thoughts on Aliens being civilized:

They don't automatically become civilized. They need to be at their home world, that is where the civilization is. The others would be savages and stay savages, it doesn't come naturally. They need to be taught.

But... literature and art? Needs to be a bit more xenomorphic, thanks. Otherwise, they are humans.

Quote from: SM on Jun 12, 2007, 09:50:21 PM

Quoteand may have re-vitalized the industry with more AvP films

More pillars of nonsense to follow the first!!  Yay!!  :D

Not necessarily. We'll have to wait and see with AvP2, won't we?

I finished watching this last night. I'd had this dirty urge to see the movie again. And I liked it. To be honest, I wanted to watch it because of the new DH Press books. Their portrayal of the Aliens is a straight continuation of how they are in this movie - intelligent animals - and it made me want to watch the film again.

And I think it was about time I did watch it again. AvP has made my apprication of the film go up. Sure, the last act and a bit still suck ass, but the first half of the movie is pretty damn good. The characters are interesting, the stuff with the Aliens is interesting. Sure, the Eggs are pretty shitty but the animal design for the Aliens fits their portrayal.

I still hate the set design and lighting though, but the camera work is pretty damn good.

I never had anything against Alien ressurection, in fact, i think its one of the better alien films imo.

Alien
Alien rez
Aliens
Alien 3

I love Alien Resurrection, first Alien film I saw in theaters, I was only 5, I remember watching some parts in the theaters.

...wtf?

You where 5 years old and you saw Resurrection at the cinema?  :o

How the hell did you get in?

My dad took me.

Geez! The most violent movie I saw at 5 was probably Jurassic Park!

What's wrong with a 5 year old seeing an Sci-Fi Action movie in the theaters?

Theres nothing wrong with it, I was just really suprised...

Fan at a young age dude. I'm not trying to show off or anything, but out of everyone on this forum, I probably became a fan at the youngest age, 4.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 02, 2007, 08:02:12 PM
Fan at a young age dude. I'm not trying to show off or anything, but out of everyone on this forum, I probably became a fan at the youngest age, 4.

I loved Robocop and Terminator with 4 :)

...Me too  :D

US has a wierd rating thing. Any films a PG.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2007, 09:17:27 PM
US has a wierd rating thing. Any films a PG.

No its PG13 now.

QuoteWhat's wrong with a 5 year old seeing an Sci-Fi Action movie in the theaters?

Nothing.  If there's not the level of violence and horror of your average Alien film.

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 02, 2007, 05:53:38 PM
I never had anything against Alien ressurection, in fact, i think its one of the better alien films imo.

Alien
Alien rez
Aliens
Alien 3

Johnny if you can find another fan (on the planet) that puts them in that order, I will personally send a message to the queen to get you knighted! ha ha  :D 

The order for me (IMHO) is the order they were made.

Alien
Aliens
Alien3
AlienR

Quote from: highlandpred on Jul 03, 2007, 02:22:08 PM

Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jul 02, 2007, 05:53:38 PM
I never had anything against Alien ressurection, in fact, i think its one of the better alien films imo.

Alien
Alien rez
Aliens
Alien 3

Johnny if you can find another fan (on the planet) that puts them in that order, I will personally send a message to the queen to get you knighted! ha ha  :D 

The order for me (IMHO) is the order they were made.

Alien
Aliens
Alien3
AlienR

Aliens is just too long for this kind of movie, and ive seen it too many times and just dont really like it as i did before... i dont know whats up with alen rez, its a good movie and pretty entertaining, to be honest, the only really good alien movie is the ORIGINAL imo.

I personally dont like Rez, Rez was just so "what can we come up with to make a movie about" 

Both Predator movies are better and all 3 Alien movies. I'm a big fan of the Crow and was dissapointed when the killed of Michael Wincott, He had potential to be badass, it was kind of like killing Samuel L in Deep blue sea,........ it was one of those WTF moments for me..

Then after the water scene it kinda just went off track. IMHO

The characters were a bit over the top too, I liked the Call character though. I'd say i've only seen it 3 times.

Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jul 02, 2007, 08:02:12 PM
Fan at a young age dude. I'm not trying to show off or anything, but out of everyone on this forum, I probably became a fan at the youngest age, 4.

Same here, also a terminator and robocop fan at the age of four.

Alien, Predator, Robocop, Terminator.....being 4 was the best thing to ever happen to me.

One thing i just thought of about A:r, why was there no blood when Ripley ripped the tongue out of the dead alien?

Blood isn't corrosive any more after it's dead so that's no big deal.  The main problem with that particular scene was the lack of corrision on the deck after Ripley shot it.

But its been dead for no more than a few minutes, surely there would still be corrosive blood flowing

Guess not.  Maybe the circulatory system has to still be active for the acid to remain corrosive?  Who knows.

Or you could just add it to the "discrepancy Alien handbook" point 753, i'd go for that. ;)

It's not a discrepancy unless you can cite a prior example that proves the acid flows through the Alien's tongue.

I'm on about the acid when its shot, a pin drop went through levels of the hull in Alien! It doesnt need to be established again anyway, no worries.

This is my fav in the series so here goes

Liked: All of it

Disliked: the new opening credits.

Yeah, I really really hated the opening credits for the SE.

They were too slow, its like 1/2 of the Special edition now, or atleast it feels like it, I just skip right to the Augria opening seen.

The TE was fine IMHO, the SE adds nothing to it. While my opinion on AR has changed now, I count it as about a 6/7 out of 10 now, you don't meet many fans who love it most.

Why do you rank it above all the others?

I don't really know, it's probably because the aliens are more cunning, fiercer, and your up against a lot more with these ones since their smarter and everything.  Its also a really good movie, lots of people try to compare all of these movies together saying like, well, the first was good, 2nd was just as good, maybe better, 3rd, not as good, ooh, and now #4, I look at it more as its own movie, it has its own story.  The darker ripley was cool too, how often do you get to see ripley, this not so wild person, go crazy and mean.

It's also got its own feel to it, Alien and Aliens both had this kind of claustrofobic feeling to them.  The 3rd was similar, but differed.  Resurrection has its own feeling, way different from the other 3, I love all of these movies don't get me wrong, heres my basic chart:

Alien Resurrection: 97%
Aliens: 95%
Alien: 95%
Alien 3: 85%

Thats how I would grade them, it's a really different scale compared to most other people I know, but I just like this one more.

Quotethe SE adds nothing to it.

The SE has the extended Chapel scene, which is one of Weaver's best scenes in the whole series.  Shame it got truncated.

The SE adds only a little bit, but that's because the "version that you watched in theatre 93 was the directors cut.  The theatrical release is the real Directors cut, the Special edition is, well, the Studio cut.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Yeah, I really really hated the opening credits for the SE.

Not me, I loved that panout of the Auriga.  Seemed very epic and looked cool.  That and the music which is one of my favourite themes in the saga.

You really prefer that shitty slimy goop beginning?

Quote from: gameoverman on Jul 12, 2007, 03:09:31 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Yeah, I really really hated the opening credits for the SE.

Not me, I loved that panout of the Auriga.  Seemed very epic and looked cool.  That and the music which is one of my favourite themes in the saga.

You really prefer that shitty slimy goop beginning?

The ship that we zoom out on doesn't even look like the Augria, it looks more like the Nostromo.

Eh?  It looks exactly like the Auriga.

Not only does it look exactly like the Auriga, it is the Auriga.  Weird how that works out.  :)

Wait, sorry, watched them over after that was posted, yeah, it does look like the Augria.

So why do people hate the new beginning?  I much prefer it to that slimy goop in the TE.

Because when someone posted it on Youtube I thought it was a joke it looked so corny, so direct-to-video.

I could do without the cheap CG bug gag at the start, but otherwise I prefer the SE version.  The really slow pullback on the Auriga is much more in keeping with the Alien films than the fused Ripley Clones goop.

The bug thing was like a visual trick meant to go from you think you are looking at an alien - to a bug - to a guy in a chair - to a massive spaceship.  It is quite clever really how they did it.  The CG is not so good probably because they didn't have much money to do it or something, but it's passable.

The SE titles are pure Jeunet, though.  I could imagine a shot like that in The City of Lost Children.

The SE opening was too comical.  You can get away with a spot of comedy during the film - but having it in the opening frames sets the wrong tone.

Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2007, 11:14:01 PM
The SE opening was too comical.  You can get away with a spot of comedy during the film - but having it in the opening frames sets the wrong tone.

So the original opening set the wrong tone.  Jeunet never set out to make a serious film.

What?

He never said that.

It's just like another movie called The Young Poisoner's Handbook.  Serious subject matter - but dealt with in a macabre and humourous way.

What's that got to do with JPJ not setting out to make a serious film?

I absolutely Hate this movie (no offense to the fans). It was too weird, sick and flat out retarded. Sorry but thats the way i feel

Quote from: Darkness on Jan 16, 2007, 09:54:37 PM
What I Liked:
-Underwater Scene

What I Didn't Like:
-Alien Designs
-Entire Story - Cloning Ripley.
-The Dialogue
-The Fact Weaver was in it.
-The scene prior to the Newborn with Ripley being dragged away.
-Newborn
-Acting
-Gediman & Wren.

What I Liked:
-Underwater Scene
-Call
-Space pirate idea.

What I Didn't Like:
THE DIRECTION. THE MOVIES BIGGEST BIGGEST PROBLEM.
Jean Pierre didnt "get" the alien films and didnt respect them. Thats why somewhere along the line, it became a horror comedy.

--The script. I could have lived with a Ripley clone (its within the realms of possibility) but didnt like the whole hybrid idea. Ripley was always meant to ground the audience. Plus given the great ending of A3.....it kind of shat on it big time.
If they wanted to go the conflicted DNA route, they should have had one straight lead. Would have been a good opportunity to have a male as lead too.

Alien Designs- gigantic turds with hollywood teeth. Have been since Alien 3.
-The scene prior to the Newborn with Ripley being dragged away. Making love to the alien...would only work if the whole movie was seriously avant garde like Wards ideas for Alien 3.
-All of the other characters not mentioned above.

I never really saw to much humor in this, humor that was abnormal.

Oh, the humor in this is quite clear. It's why it feels like a whole different film.

Yeah, I know that, I could see humor, but not like as much as in Seed of Chucky blend of Horror and Com.

i was not a fan of the whole ripley/alien idea... all it did was lose everyone's favouite character in the series.

Alien3 did that.

alien 3 killed ripley, and that i didn't mind, because it did it with such integrity. res just destroyed ripley's character; why couldn't they have brought Ripley back, not the alien hybrid?

I respect the choice in what that they did with Ripley's character. It wasn't Ripley. It's as simple as that. You gotta view her as a different character.

Quotewhy couldn't they have brought Ripley back, not the alien hybrid?

Quotealien 3 killed ripley

Asked and answered.

YES, but they could have cloned an exact copy...

Why not?  For me:  Purely and simply the Newborn.

You know, if Fox said that the Newborn wasn't canon and released a version of the DVD without it, people might actually like Res more.

Quote from: bullethead on Aug 19, 2007, 02:34:04 AM
You know, if Fox said that the Newborn wasn't canon and released a version of the DVD without it, people might actually like Res more.

Why? The newborn was exactly what it was intended to be, an abomination to Aliens and Humans alike.

The movie is called ALIEN Resurrection goddamnit.  I don't want the Aliens to take the backseat for the 3rd act of the friggin' movie.

At least Alien Resurrection tried to be something different.  I prefer what we got to just another rehash of Aliens.

Quote from: Dachande on Aug 19, 2007, 02:36:16 AM

Quote from: bullethead on Aug 19, 2007, 02:34:04 AM
You know, if Fox said that the Newborn wasn't canon and released a version of the DVD without it, people might actually like Res more.

Why? The newborn was exactly what it was intended to be, an abomination to Aliens and Humans alike.

And the Alien movie series in general.

QuoteAt least Alien Resurrection tried to be something different.  I prefer what we got to just another rehash of Aliens.

You prefer originality even if it's originally stupid?

Aliens came out in the era of Reagan, a period when the U.S. was feeling like it was "morning in America" and might made right.  The NRA was more powerful than they ever had been or would be, and so we got a film focused on military strength... but also mocking the futility of it.  It's a product of its time, but it's also MOCKING its time in its own.

In the early '90s, grunge was in, "grim and gritty" was dominating all the comics to the point where even Spider-Man was brooding on gargoyles in the rain, and basically, darkness was in.  Alien 3, naturally then, is tinged with less humor than either of the two, and is rife with despair and darkness throughout.  It's much more self-serious than anything else in the franchise.

By the late '90s, "Scream" had given rise to a new of jokey self-awareness in films.  Bubblegum pop music was dominating the airwaves, and basically, humor and lightness had become popular again.  Resurrection isn't a LIGHT movie by any stretch - the sets and direction make the Auriga look every bit as grim and forboding as Fury 161 - but in terms of its script, it's more of a self-aware, lighter Alien film.  Again, a product of its time.

On that merit, it seemed like a natural progression to me.  And I mostly liked the movie - it's got a lot of good ideas.  The new Ripley is a compelling character who I would've liked to have seen explored further, particularly in regards to her inner conflict over her allegiances.  The swimming sequence?  Everybody seems to have loved that part - even people who otherwise dislike the movie.  The cast, as is always the case in this series, is pretty much universally strong.

But there are some problems.  A few line deliveries ("f**k?") are totally off, and most importantly there's those last 17 or so minutes of the movie.  They're FAR too derviative of the endings to both Alien and Aliens.  I thought the Newborn was interesting - and it's not like it hurts the Alien mythos since it's obvious that there would never be another creature like it in future generations of the species  - but god, that sequence was SO predictably and obvious, and it's topped off by some of the worst CGI of its time when it gets sucked out the window.

It's beautifully directed movie, it's got great sets and lighting that's eye-catching, it's got a lovely haunting score... I could be describing either Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection up until now, but 3 has less in the way of original, interesting ideas, preferring to barely have a script at all... and Resurrection black-flags it on the last lap, like they just had no ideas left at that point, and it's rather sad.

That was wordy.  But you get my point.  I think the movie has a lot of merit, and winds up botching that goodwill towards the end.

^Totally agree with that.

Quote from: Hudson on Aug 19, 2007, 05:00:30 AMYou prefer originality even if it's originally stupid?

Yeah well I prefer they take a risk and fail then just beating an old idea to death.

i think they should have made TWO trilogies, the old and new. Res could have been the start of something good. But how its currrently portrayed as a member of the quadrilogy... i dont know.

If memory serves the original intention was to make an Alien V on the back of Resurrection, but after it tanked in the US they baulked.

That's a shame because I'd have liked to see Johner and Vriess return for the sequel.

But now they'll have to start over entirely, or tie it into AVP somehow.  :-\

I think it would be cool (even though Sigourney is against it) if there was an avp movie with ripley in it. just think... ripley would have someone else to deal with now... and it'd be cool if it was in the jungle. 

Quote from: SM on Aug 22, 2007, 06:20:44 AM
If memory serves the original intention was to make an Alien V on the back of Resurrection, but after it tanked in the US they baulked.

That's correct.  Fox even commissioned a story treatment from Whedon again (before Res hit theaters).  I guess they were pretty happy with him the first time.  Apparently his treatment explained that Wren actually stored a couple of eggs on the Betty (since he got there first) and the Betty subsequently brought them to Earth.  He's also mentioned that Ripley went even darker sided with the aliens for a little while in the story, but I think that's all he's ever said on the subject... not much to go on.

I remember when Fox was riding high in the summer of 2007 because Alien Resurrection had some of the best test screening results they'd ever seen.  They were sure they had a smash hit on their hands and they were bragging to everybody in earshot.  I think part of the reason for those results was that the test screenings were temp-tracked with James Horner's "Aliens" music, and people probably responded to that.

i liked it  I just hated the newborn  it changed my view on the aliens...ALOT   it was the stupidest looking thing ive ever seen 

I like the newborn... i thought the idea of an alien/person was very freaky.

Quote from: hunterv555 on Aug 24, 2007, 03:10:01 AM
i liked it  I just hated the newborn  it changed my view on the aliens...ALOT   it was the stupidest looking thing ive ever seen 

Wait until ya see the Predalien clearer! :P

I like some of the things used in Alien 4. Like the underwater scéne was cool and added something new to the franchise, but the newborn has to be the ugliest creature i've ever seen in a movie. I did'nt like the design or how it played a part in the overall story of the movie. I didn't like the new Ripley and the whole story that came with it. Going to the Queen and find out she is giving birth to a new fase in the Alien-world. It could have been better.

10 years on and people still won't accept the newborn, I am probably the only one who was never bothered by the design, I don't know why I just thought it was the weirdest thing ever, not like there was loads of them, its was a genetic mess, that why it looked gay. 

i hate the movie for two big, awful reasons:

1. it's and obvious, crappy plot. clone ripley to get an alien. gee, i would never have thought of that one -- actually, i did. when i was 13, and wanting to write a fanfic. i know the alien movies wouldn't be the same without her... but come on.

2. a reason i just realized recently. someone asked what, in particular, would have made a good alien movie without ripley. i replied, "one of the comics -- for instance, labyrinth would have made a good movi.... oh, shit." it rips off my favourite comic, and badly. mad scientist experimenting on aliens. secret lab of horrors. yeah.

really though, i still say "alien trilogy."

My love for this film keeps increasing. Watched it again a few days ago and I found myself to be really enjoying. Although this time I found myself paying lots of attention to the score.

The first three were the best. They all had a better vision than the fourth film. The fourth was just milking the franchise and ended it crappy. She dies in Alien 3 and although that was a grim ending it worked better.

I just watched Alien: Ressurection the other day, and it wasn't nearly as horrible as I remember it. It's actually a fairly decent movie until the last 15 minutes or so. It helps to think of it as something seperate from the other Alien movies, a spinoff of sorts. Alien-Alien3 was Ripley's trilogy. This is something else.

The thing I probably like the most is the cast of characters. The crew of the Betty, the personnel of the Auriga, Call, Ripley #8... She certainly is not the same character as the original.

I liked the design of the Auriga. Makes me think more of some medieval fortress than a starship.

The little teaser of a subplot about the rebellious synthetics is cool.

The underwater scene was excellent. I just wish the movie had more of that sort of stuff.

The music was good.

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Most of the things I disliked about the movie revolved around the Aliens, sadly. I did not like the putrid color, I did not like the dino legs, I did not like the whole fleshy thing with the tongue and the squirming eggs, and I didn't like how they were constantly coated with slime. It looked like they were all sick or something.

I shouldn't even have to get into the Newborn.

I did not like the prevailence of that burnt orange-brown color. I had enough of that in Alien 3, thanks.

The weapons and tech just didn't measure up to the coolness of the stuff in Aliens. Pulse Rifles for the win.

Last night was spent in my dorm with 3 friends, and one of them didn't even have to be looking at the film (as he was studying) to laugh at the bad lines, delivery, and plot. After watching Alien3, it perplexes me as to how Fox approved this script. Whedon didn't help revive these movies. He killed the terror element. Maybe if this was released as a comedy I'd have more sympathy.

Quote from: Mr. Weyland on Aug 26, 2007, 03:03:45 AM
10 years on and people still won't accept the newborn, I am probably the only one who was never bothered by the design, I don't know why I just thought it was the weirdest thing ever, not like there was loads of them, its was a genetic mess, that why it looked gay. 

I agree, and I was never bother by the design. it was supposed to be messed up. There won't evr be another one, so that's why they made it unique. and while this wasn't scary like alien 3, it was still good. I recently watched avp again... now that was the stupidest movie ever!

I do like A:R, i do like its fable , characters and Newborn. IF most of you don`t like it i suggest to lunch AvP. In this film are lots of things to dislike.

Quote from: Master on Sep 25, 2007, 10:08:09 AM
I do like A:R, i do like its fable , characters and Newborn. IF most of you don`t like it i suggest to lunch AvP. In this film are lots of things to dislike.

Why can't we slam both movies?

Cause A:R have big group of fans, but AvP have big group of antyfans.

Quote from: Master on Sep 25, 2007, 10:20:35 AM
Cause A:R have big group of fans, but AvP have big group of antyfans.

AVP has its fans and A:R has its anti-fans, too...

As do Alien3, Aliens and Alien.

So it goes...

it doesnt change the fact that more people hate avp. you have to admit, anderson has to be the dumbest guy. lets round up some predators, who only come in the "hottest summers" and chuck them into Antarctica night, to fight a bunch of frostbitten aliens. hey, why not throw in some humans for 'em to much on too!

If we assume Predators are above sacrificing their own, then humans are a necessity.

And it being in a cold environment makes it difficult for the Predators.  If they like heat - then an initiation ritual should therefore be cold.

Regardless of how you feel about A:R, all 4 Alien movies a very unique and different to most other movies. They all have new ideas and, whether they succeeded or not, they all should at least be praised for trying. I'm not very fond of A:R, but it is an enjoyable film.

That being said, I still like to think it ended at 3. A:R just spoils the series. It seems as if it could be a comic book.

Quote from: Yellow Alien on Sep 26, 2007, 05:31:03 AM
Regardless of how you feel about A:R, all 4 Alien movies a very unique and different to most other movies. They all have new ideas and, whether they succeeded or not, they all should at least be praised for trying. I'm not very fond of A:R, but it is an enjoyable film.

That being said, I still like to think it ended at 3. A:R just spoils the series. It seems as if it could be a comic book.

and thats why they should make the sequel to res, so it doesn't feel like it was kinda just... put there for more money. personally id dont think it was. why dont fox prove it?

They intended to make Alien V just after they got done with Resurrection, but when it didn't do as well as Fox hoped they nixed it.

All I can say is that I hated Alien Resurrection, every last bit of it. AVP is looks like awesome compared to it, and thats saying something.

I do like how at least there was a reason the aliens looked all fleshy and stuff...

... but then that leads into the fact they somehow got alien D.N.A. from some hair fibers of Ripley they found from two zillion years ago...

Also, the slow motion bullets were kind of... retarded?

Not hair - blood.

I thought I heard them say hair samples, but blood...

... that makes it even better.

Quote from: Snowfox on Sep 26, 2007, 11:33:39 PM
Also, the slow motion bullets were kind of... retarded?

There were slo-mo bullets?  I must have fallen asleep at that bit.  When dat?

Probably means Johner's upside down Miss Jane thing on the ladder - which didn't seem terribly slow to me.  His earlier shot underwater and Christie's 'nades were proper slow-mo.

Oh yeah! 

Luckily, neither time was wif buwwets, so it lets me off the hook as to why I di'nt remember.  :)

Yeah, when they were on the ladder.

The underwater one didn't bug me too much... hah... bug.

Quote from: Snowfox on Sep 26, 2007, 11:33:39 PM
... but then that leads into the fact they somehow got alien D.N.A. from some hair fibers of Ripley they found from two zillion years ago...

in the novellisation it says that they found samples on fiorina <insert number here> twenty years prior to the events of res when they were seeing if the place was useable. it was like, dried up glunk from where the lead was.

The film specifies that Ripley is cloned from blood samples that were kept on ice.  Presumably Clemens took the samples while checking her health.

^Exactly. 

Some sticky residue on the floor is most definitely not where Ripley 8 came from.  Not so long as the films supercede all else.  Clemens' samples are where the shit is at.  :)

That's all well and fine, but the actual point I was making is why they were able to clone aliens from her blood?

The Alien's DNA was found in Ripley's blood sample.  The problems they in seperating Alien Queen DNA from Ripley DNA is what resulted in the Ripley 1-7 (and 8 though to a lesser extent).

I guess I'm trying to put in real life physics into movie physics.

That is all.  8)

Physics or biology?

Either way don't bother.  You'll only end up disappointed.

Either or, and it's a good thing I realized what was happening before this got ugly.  ;)

I'll just have to assume that somehow the queen's D.N.A. mixed with Ripley's when Clemmens took the sample.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Sep 27, 2007, 01:42:55 PM
^Exactly. 

Some sticky residue on the floor is most definitely not where Ripley 8 came from.  Not so long as the films supercede all else.  Clemens' samples are where the shit is at.  :)

True. But my question is where would this sticky goo come from in the first place? Your not gonna find any goo in a furnace (it was so hot her body was completly incenerated). Besides gediman said "blood samples.Taken from fury 16 on ice." So they were kept on ice (most likely in the infirmary).
It's just common sense.

In Alien R there were like 13 Aliens, but, why we saw so few??? all the movie is about a bunch of guys walking throw corridors, i saw it yesterday again and im hating it more now.

Two main issues against this movie...

- The characters, and probably more so the acting, was just terrible in my opinion. It's been awhile since i've seen the movie (i have seen it more than once however so i'm not basing it off a single viewing) + i don't want to go back looking for specific examples. The dialogue never seemed to fit either. Really all of the human interactions, with the exception of Ripley.

- It took the horror out of it. For me there was no real horror or suspense to be had in the movie. The Aliens or anything involving them in the movie just weren't terrifying like they were in the 1st three films.

I liked the guy in the wheelchair and Christie.

I thought they were the only two there who were actually acting like they were trapped with a bunch of monsters.

I really like it and think that besides guy on wheel chair, and the one with guns mounted on his arms, Ron Perlman did a really good job, also Ripley 8 was a nice character.
Also:
- I like Newborn.
- I like experiment to make a bioweapon from xenomorphs.
- I like Ripley mutants (1-7)
- I don`t like Winnona Rider.

And they were able to clone alien queen from Ripleys blood samples from Firiona because alien DNA is altering hosts DNA in order to stop reject alien tissue.

whats wrong with winona ryder and call? i thought call was a very good addition, who provided a very interesting plot twist that provoked a lot of thoughts.

The problem with that particular plot twist is that all the pre-publicity for the film made it pretty obvious she was a robot.

oh. when this came out in cinemas i was like, three, so obviously i didnt hear much of it.

Yeah i would have been 9 when the movie came out so i don't remember anything about it. It is true though that over the years there has been more + more pre-publicity for films that basically thell the whole plot.

lol i remeber when i was ten or something, i wanted to watch predator, but my dad didnt let me cause it was to scary. now, five years on ive seen it heaps of times and cant help but think my dad scares way to easy. sorry its a bit unrelated, just a random piece of info.

I just thought of some negative things in this movie that really stand out.

The dialog between Johner and Ripley where Johner asks about her about being around the Aliens before was really bad.  It was so unnatural and didn't flow well at all.

The other part that was really bad acting was when everyone finds out that Call is an android.  Destephano goes into this ridiculous over-acting bit about the type of android she is and how he couldn't believe he was actually seeing one.  His excitement is so over-the-top.  It's terrible.

I thought Alien Resurrection was ok, it not the best Alien movie but it still good.

What I Liked:
-Underwater Scene
-Good CGI for a 90's movie
-The Alien Designs

What I Didn't Like:
-The humor
-The Dialogue
-The scene prior to the Newborn with Ripley being dragged away.
-Newborn
-Acting
-The ending

Quote from: The Diesel on Oct 05, 2007, 03:48:39 AM
The other part that was really bad acting was when everyone finds out that Call is an android.  Destephano goes into this ridiculous over-acting bit about the type of android she is and how he couldn't believe he was actually seeing one.  His excitement is so over-the-top.  It's terrible.

i have to agree there. how do you know their names? i only know ripley, call and vriess. i call the other people whatever comes to mind, like "guy in wheelchair". the characters besides ripley and call weren't that memorable. 

Quote from: Sora on Oct 17, 2007, 09:36:07 AM
i have to agree there. how do you know their names? i only know ripley, call and vriess. i call the other people whatever comes to mind, like "guy in wheelchair". the characters besides ripley and call weren't that memorable. 

I guess that they're less memorable that you suggest. The "Guy in the Wheelchair" is Vriess.

Zing! My liking for AR goes up each time I watch it. I'm really starting to actually like it.

I don't know that i'll ever like it. I've seen it 3 times all the way through + although i wouldn't say i've hated it more each time it just hasn't got any better for me. I'm sure i'll watch it again sometime in the future but i don't know that my opinion will ever change that much about it.

i don't hate it, i just didn't care for the story that much - considering the fact that ALIEN, ALIENS, and to a extent ALIEN3 was a tough task to follow in my opinion

I saw it a few times. The first, it was confusing at times, and a tad too violent.
The second, it was bad.

The third, I showed it to my friend, and turns out I like it.

Quote from: maledoro on Oct 17, 2007, 10:54:02 AM
I guess that they're less memorable that you suggest. The "Guy in the Wheelchair" is Vriess.

really! i thoguht vriess was the funny look "tough guy" dude. what is his name then?

Johner.

Nah, that can't be it.  I think the tough guy was Vincent or something.

It lost the Suspense and utter fear of the darkness. I was not pleased with this one. It sucked Monkey Balls.

this thread has been going for ages... i neva thought it would go on this long. but im glad it has. back to the movie, i hated that little whining twerp who had the chestburster in him. but i liked the evil scientist.

I didn't like Gediman or Wren the first time I saw them, and I never have. Ash's level of fascination with the creature was scientific, mixed in with his own longing for such wanton expression. Gediman had this weird sexual affinity for the Alien that only kicked in when he was "on top", to coin a phrase. Wren was just as stupid. Purvis was useless up to the point where he killed Wren, a real catch 22- it got rid of an annoying evil scientist stereotype, but did it in one of the most hilariously stupid ways imaginable. The reactions of the crew pretty much emulate my own incredulous reactions to such a ridiculous chestburster sequence.

Quotethis thread has been going for ages... i neva thought it would go on this long. but im glad it has.

It should really be stickied so all the whiny little bitches who piss and moan when people rag on AvP and say "It was 3 years ago - get over it" can come and have a look at people ragging on a movie that's 10 years old.

AvP has got at least 7 more years of shitcanning.

Liked
- The "Newborn's" Death

Dislike
- The story. Cloning Ripley and mixing the DNA was absurd. Joss Whedon can't write. Not to mention his knocking of fans.
- The characters. There was no time to get to know any of the characters before they started dying. I had no sympathy for any of them and whoever cast Winoa Ryder in a "Sci-fi" film should be kicked in the groin repeatedly.
- The dialog. Too much of the conversations felt forced. The language was poor and made me feel like I was watching a high school drama unfold. I was waiting for someone to say "Like Totally!"
- Over use and relying on CG. There is a reason Underworld's werewolves rocked, it's called costumes. What happened to the artistry of films? I would have been fine if, like UW, they used puppets and costumes for all the fighting scenes and kept the CG to a baaaare minimal, but they really over used it in the action sequences. It made the film feel fake.
- The cinematography/directing. This by far was the worst of it. Between the horrible lighting and the constant zoom to face shots I'm amazed I didn't get sick. There was nothing eerie about the film. It felt like I was watching someone's student film project while riding a roller coaster, not like a multi-million dollar budgeted film.

Though it's not of the same magnitude, the jury is still out on Alien³ even though most are beginning to warm up on it. AVP still has a lot more punishment to go through, and since it took down two franchises in the process I really, really doubt it will ever be as accepted as Anderson has hoped it will be in the years to come.

I reckon the jury was back a long time ago on Alien3.  Even before the AC was released.  Thanks, mostly I believe, to Fincher's success with stuff like Se7en and Fight Club and the realisation of the shit the studio put him through.  A lot went back and had another look and found Alien3 was quite good.

In fact, if anything Alien3 is over-rated now by fans after spending the better part of 10 years being under-rated.

well i love alien 3 extended. and i never heard about how averyone hated it before i watched it! and ive never watched the theatrical cut. one thing i wish though... is that avp never happened. what a shit movie!

the worse part in AR is when that f**ktart winona ryder (or wateva) says "wat the f**k??"
after ripley shots that alien in the mouth
and comes up out of the floor

i mean COME ON!!!!
it was THE SHITTEST ACTING i have ever seen
and dont get me started on the score that accompanied the scene........

f**kin shit on a stick.

Be thankful the line was edited down from...

"Okay.  Real slow now.  What. The. f**k."

dont u hate it in movies when they say things one word per sentance?

Arnold can pull off the "emphasis in every word" bit. Other actors...not so much. They're around, but not in A:R. But then again, I attribute most of this to Jeunet not having a proper grip over English when he made this movie to begin with.

I love the movie.

The camera, lightning, the beasty aliens, the helpless victims, the smuggler crew, the behavior of Riply and "the humor" of the whole film.

I don't have the exact english words I know only the german version:

It smells like fire... (It's at the end when the smuggler vessel makes a ER-Landing...)

Great director
What I didn*t like was the ugly looking newborn.

well a

Quote from: hudSSon on Oct 29, 2007, 08:45:50 PM
What I didn*t like was the ugly looking newborn.

well if u havnt noticed aliens arent all cute and fluffy either.
and the predators maskless??? i thought the newborn was one of the coolest things in the franchise. so... disturbing!

I'll give one and only ONE credit to alien resurrection: I liked very much the imagery of the swimming aliens. They need to reuse that in a new film. It looked good.

I thought that Alien R was good but just not as good as the other alien films.

The Film was made to be a standalone movie, it wasn't supposed to conform to the guidlines that the other films stayed fairly close to, just don't compare it with the others and it's a great movie.  I think that lots of the bad reviews for it come from people who are looking for the same type of alien movie, this is so much different.

QuoteThe Film was made to be a standalone movie, it wasn't supposed to conform to the guidlines that the other films stayed fairly close to

What?

Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 04, 2007, 05:53:41 PM
I'll give one and only ONE credit to alien resurrection: I liked very much the imagery of the swimming aliens. They need to reuse that in a new film. It looked good.

Not seen the GB AvPR trailer?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 04, 2007, 11:46:13 PM

Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 04, 2007, 05:53:41 PM
I'll give one and only ONE credit to alien resurrection: I liked very much the imagery of the swimming aliens. They need to reuse that in a new film. It looked good.

Not seen the GB AvPR trailer?

Are we talking about the Swimfan scene? Yeah but dunno if thatll be as good as i imagine a reuse of that gag.

Quote from: SM on Nov 04, 2007, 11:30:06 PM

QuoteThe Film was made to be a standalone movie, it wasn't supposed to conform to the guidlines that the other films stayed fairly close to

What?

Just don't compare it to the others, it's meant to be a new begining, a reboot while still keeping the backstory there.

QuoteJust don't compare it to the others

Why not?  It's a continuation of Ripley's story.

WRONG

It's a new story about Ripley 8, a different character, eat that

JK

If you want to compare it u can.

Quote from: John_the_only_true_Jigsaw on Nov 05, 2007, 12:36:29 AM
WRONG

It's a new story about Ripley 8, a different character, eat that

JK

If you want to compare it u can.

EXACTLY!!! New chracters, new story, new time setting-- this is anything but a continuation of alien 3. if you hadnt of noticed, there cant be a continuation of that storyline. RIPLEY IS DEAD. LEAVE HER ALONE. SHE DOESN'T LIKE YOU.

Just when you think IQs can't drop any lower...

jeez thanks. you've made my day.

SM makes everyone's day better with his bright and positive thinking.

i know hey.

I think most critical ratings have been fair to it... C+, 6/10, etc.

I thought it was visually stylish... Jeunet's direction and the set design weren't the most clinical of the series (that distinction goes to James Cameron's utilitarian motif.)

I liked Ripley 8's detached and sardonic mood, and I appreciated what Weaver did with the character.

The underwater sequence was great.

I liked the score quite a bit, its permutations from horn to string sounded doom-laden, and the main theme is sickly menacing. Especially with the creepy special instruments mixed in.

What I disliked about it:

The script was lame, and Joss Whedon is a poor choice to treat Alien, although Jeunet probably did butcher the presentation of Whedon's dialogue. The creature designs were clearly the worst in the franchise. Most of the characters were disposable (admittedly no moreso than Alien 3.) Any attempts at fright or suspense were neutered or anticlimactic. And of course, the Newborn.

QuoteThe script was lame, and Joss Whedon is a poor choice to treat Alien, although Jeunet probably did butcher the presentation of Whedon's dialogue.

No, JPJ improved it.

WHY DOES EVERY 1 HATE THE NEWBORN!!! but i agree with your thoughts on the design of the alien. i hate the dome shape! the ridge heads are way better.

The Newborn wouldn't be so highly criticized if it wasn't bad. Looking at it in relation to the film itself, it's not too hard to tell why people aren't too impressed by it. The first and second acts were pretty laughable, and then we get hit by one of the most awkward and embarassing moments in the Alien series- namely, the birth of the Newborn. Then, instead of looking like a formidable yet horrific freak, it comes out looking like a asthmatic abortion. It was still grotesque, but in a way that made it pitiful for all the wrong reasons.

Looking at the whole picture, is it so hard to understand why it's not accepted in the Alien fanbase?

The one thing that made AR so bad was the hole movie feel like a direct to DVD movie.

The low-quality acting didn't help in that regard, nor did the creature effects, shoddy script, or lighting (which appropriately made it seem as if someone took a leak on the reel).

Not seen Amilie, I take it? He likes his yellows and browns. Granted, Amilie was a lot brighter and cheerful but even then, City of the Lost Children used plenty of greens and browns.

QuoteChibi makes everyone's day better with his bright and positive thinking.

QuoteNot seen Amilie, I take it? He likes his yellows and browns. Granted, Amilie was a lot brighter and cheerful but even then, City of the Lost Children used plenty of greens and browns.

Nope, but if the movie is good and doesn't look as galling I might give it a try.

Quote from: SM on Nov 07, 2007, 11:28:05 PM

QuoteChibi makes everyone's day better with his bright and positive thinking.

I'd say that's the nicest thing I've ever seen you write, but...

Wait. It is the nicest thing I've ever seen you write. :-X

Quote from: Sora on Jan 15, 2007, 04:39:49 AM
I personally really liked Alien Resurrection, yet most people didn't. Why didn't you like it, or why did you?   

THE COMEDY!!!!!  Hello, these are not comedies.  Hellooo.  That stupid scene where Christie shoots a bullet off of the ceiling and hits the guy next to him.  STUPID!!!!!  NOT BELIEVABLE!!!!  UNREALISTIC!!!  HATE IT ALL.

The camera, lightning, the beasty aliens, the helpless victims, the smuggler crew, the behavior of Riply and "the humor" of the whole film.


OMG you're killing me.  "The Humor?"  You liked the humor?  Respectfully speaking, please explain to me how the humor contributed to the franchise.

Quote from: Luckygreycat on Nov 09, 2007, 04:05:25 AM

Quote from: Sora on Jan 15, 2007, 04:39:49 AM
I personally really liked Alien Resurrection, yet most people didn't. Why didn't you like it, or why did you?   

THE COMEDY!!!!!  Hello, these are not comedies.  Hellooo.  That stupid scene where Christie shoots a bullet off of the ceiling and hits the guy next to him.  STUPID!!!!!  NOT BELIEVABLE!!!!  UNREALISTIC!!!  HATE IT ALL.

Don't think it was supposed to be funny.  The look on Christie's face when he points both guns forward is, though.

It was an unintentional comedy, which only makes the film worse.

If u haven't realized, it's called a ricatay, I've seen similar things done before, you can do that, you just have to be really good.  I can believe that Christie was really good at shooting guns.  The humor is more like natural human humor.

It was comical for all the wrong reasons. Ricochets aren't nearly as precise as A:R shows, and I haven't seen a single person who hasn't asked what the heck that was about or just flatout laughed when he does it.

yeah it was pretty unbelievable.

I liked and disliked Resurrection. I loved that they cloned a queen and several drones and they all got loose and so on, but I didn't like that they kept Ripley's clone alive. It would have been great if they had used Ripley's daughter from the original AvP comics and sort of led into an AvP movie. That's my opinion though.

I also didn't like that Ripley wasn't human just because the Queen was cloned inside her. If they really are that far in the future, couldn't they have simply cloned their individual DNA to produce either the alien or Ripley? I just think that could have been left out. I don't think they had to make her inhuman. It would have been equally great, if not maybe a little better if she had been human.

I really enjoyed the underwater scenes. The spiral-like movements of the Aliens swimming are fun to watch. It really makes you appreciate how screwed you would be with one of them chasing you.

Quote from: vegadivine on Nov 11, 2007, 07:33:21 AM
I liked and disliked Resurrection. I loved that they cloned a queen and several drones and they all got loose and so on, but I didn't like that they kept Ripley's clone alive. It would have been great if they had used Ripley's daughter from the original AvP comics and sort of led into an AvP movie. That's my opinion though.

That couldn't be canon though as Ripley's daughter was dead and she had no other children.

QuoteI also didn't like that Ripley wasn't human just because the Queen was cloned inside her. If they really are that far in the future, couldn't they have simply cloned their individual DNA to produce either the alien or Ripley? I just think that could have been left out. I don't think they had to make her inhuman. It would have been equally great, if not maybe a little better if she had been human.

The queen wasn't far enough in her development to clone her seperately from Ripley.

QuoteI really enjoyed the underwater scenes. The spiral-like movements of the Aliens swimming are fun to watch. It really makes you appreciate how screwed you would be with one of them chasing you.

Yes, that was a brilliant scene.

and chances are, there would be no living people with the surname ripley who were related to ellen.

The films story had potential, it was just very poorly executed. That is my opinion anyways. I believe i've mentioned before my main grippes with the film are the Characterization/Acting + the lack of Suspense/Horror. Not that it's the greatest idea in the world (clone Ripley for the Queen) but it certainly could have worked. I know people complain a lot about the Alien designs in the film + while I agree they ought to be better (it would certainly help the film) the real issues is the human characters. If the actors could have turned in convincing (better) performances the film wouldn't be so bad. It's likely it would still be my least favorite of the Alien films but perhaps it wouldn't stick out as a sore thumb so much.

Quote from: Spidey3121 on Nov 12, 2007, 08:20:26 PM
The films story had potential, it was just very poorly executed. That is my opinion anyways. I believe i've mentioned before my main grippes with the film are the Characterization/Acting + the lack of Suspense/Horror. Not that it's the greatest idea in the world (clone Ripley for the Queen) but it certainly could have worked. I know people complain a lot about the Alien designs in the film + while I agree they ought to be better (it would certainly help the film) the real issues is the human characters. If the actors could have turned in convincing (better) performances the film wouldn't be so bad. It's likely it would still be my least favorite of the Alien films but perhaps it wouldn't stick out as a sore thumb so much.

I disagree with you on horror, ever since aliens came out the series went from scifi-horror to scifi-action.

Alien3 doesn't seem to agree with you.

+ even Aliens had some great suspenseful moments in it. In fact, a lot of Aliens was built around the use of suspense. I feel the movie did a real nice job balancing suspense + action. AR however lacked any suspense what-so-ever. Sure there were some nice action sequences but not enough to redeem other flaws the film has.

i dont think the director wanted a horror film. it certainly wasnt scary, and for that mattter, not that gory either.

^^ What? It was very gory. And grotesque.  :P

Personally, I liked A: Res when it came out, but can't stand it now, (I place it just slightly above Alien 3). Although, it would have been better if Brad Dourif's character had been named Dr. Stimpy. That way, when the aliens escaped, Wren could have gone, "STIMPY, YOU IIIIIDIOT!"  :D

sry but it wasnt gory, nor grotesque. and, its not even disturbing anymore, not after silent hill.

^^Have you seen the movie? It's gory. In the first three minutes, we see a living alien being removed from Ripley's chest with a laser-scalpel, setting the tone for the rest of the "adventure." And it's not even regular gore. It's over-the-top, gratuitous, cartoon gore... ::)

I would say the other 3 Alien films are gorier though. Even so, gore is not what makes a movie good or not, at least in my opinion. Horror + Suspense can be achieved without gore.

Aliens has the least amount of gore.

AVP had more gore than Aliens. Granted, most of it was Alien and Predator gore, but still...

Aliens is practically bloodless. The chestburster is the only really bloody part.

^^Yep, although that's a good thing, IMO. It makes blood more shocking when it shows up on-screen only occasionally, instead of being inundated with it throughout the film. Alien also only had gore for about a minute of screen time. The rest of only seen fleetingly or implied off-screen. 

I think you'll find it was a lot less than a minute.

i liked:
under water scene
the scene were gediman was teaching the aliens.
the ladder scene
disliked:
the newborn
the fact that the queen was a mere plot device
alien design

Under water scene was sweet, I loved the ladder scene, "Get off my foot bitch!" funny as hell. I loved newborn because he made such a funny looking chum trail behind the Betty.

 Its amazing how accurately I called that one beforehand.

Firstly, I saw the tv spots back then. All sold on Weaver again. Then I heard the plot: Its a film about a Ripley CLONE. That was pretty much it. You CANNOT make an alien film using such cheap tricks to reverse the irreversible and continue her story in a pseudo way. Get some new faces, lazy.

Worked a treat in AvP.

Quote from: Sora on Jan 18, 2007, 06:32:42 AM
at least some1s with me

Make that 2, I love this movie, it's the most "fun" if you will, and it's the one you can watch the most without getting board.

The reason i doubt get bored watching it is usually because i'm make fun of it talking about how bad it is or stop watching it.

Overall, I have to say I liked it.  Though I didn't like the new reproduction cycle(AVP-R's will be better), and I didn't like the newborn design.  I hated it's kill methods also.  To me, what made the aliens so scary and deadly, were their inner mouths, claws and tails.  The newborn had none of those attributes.  But I liked the story up to that point, and I thought the characters were pretty cool.

Quote from: Wolf Sazen on Nov 23, 2007, 02:48:31 AM
Overall, I have to say I liked it.  Though I didn't like the new reproduction cycle(AVP-R's will be better), and I didn't like the newborn design.  I hated it's kill methods also.  To me, what made the aliens so scary and deadly, were their inner mouths, claws and tails.  The newborn had none of those attributes.  But I liked the story up to that point, and I thought the characters were pretty cool.

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Actually the newborns been gaining some love on the boards, I think it's one of the better designed creatures in the series.

what i like:

She got the ball in!!!
I Thought you were dead....yeah i get that alot.


what i dont like:
everything else, the XTREEME alien/human/ferret mostly

whats coolest about how she got the ball in was sigourney actually did it! no cgi!

Good Points
>...
>......
>Oh yeah, the Underwater scene.
>............
>Nope, nothing else.

Bad Points
>Crap story
>How they somehow found DNA in that pot of moulten lead
>Newborn... Grrr... I hope that Predalien is much better... Grrrr I hate you Newborn.
>Sigourney's acting (In my opinion she seemed rather lost unless that was what it was supposed to be like)
>The basketball scene. Totally pointless
>The characters
>The Aliens' design
>The Aliens' colour
>Destroying Weyland Yutani
>The Queen's stupidity and weakness
>Ripley's acid blood
>Ripley destroying her previous clones
>Ripley's clones
>Ripley's last line- "I'm a stranger here myself"
>Ripley in general
>Ripley's reactions to the Aliens
>The way the scientists punished the Aliens
>The scientists
>The way the scientists used hi-jacked humans as Facehugger bait
>Everything else in the movie

Who thinks I am the ultimate A:R hater?

Quote from: purebreedalien on Nov 28, 2007, 01:57:25 PM
>How they somehow found DNA in that pot of moulten lead

They never said they did that.  "Blood samples on ice" would imply that it's blood that Clemens took for study.

Plus, Ripley didn't go into the lead, she went into the furnace.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 28, 2007, 02:02:56 PM

Quote from: purebreedalien on Nov 28, 2007, 01:57:25 PM
>How they somehow found DNA in that pot of moulten lead

They never said they did that.  "Blood samples on ice" would imply that it's blood that Clemens took for study.

Plus, Ripley didn't go into the lead, she went into the furnace.

Lol, how picky.  ;D

I'm gonna assume you meant to say 'accurate' rather than 'picky'.  ;)

Tomato, Tomahto

Either way, Ripley's blood was obtained from blood samples taken from her prior to her death.

Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Nov 28, 2007, 02:02:56 PM

Quote from: purebreedalien on Nov 28, 2007, 01:57:25 PM
>How they somehow found DNA in that pot of moulten lead

They never said they did that.  "Blood samples on ice" would imply that it's blood that Clemens took for study.

Plus, Ripley didn't go into the lead, she went into the furnace.

Well give me a break will you Antman? I haven't watched it since last year.

Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on Feb 05, 2007, 09:36:46 PM
I thought it was a little terrible that Ripley killed the alien hybrid right away, technically it was her kid and she killed it with only a few tears.

Have heard this said on other places as well but I dont get it:
Some say that the newborn was completely Ripleys child and the queen was just a surrogat mother, but how does that work unless the scientist took a egg and put it in the queen?
The conclusion I get from it is: The queen got a xeno version of a womb due to the dna mix between her and ripley but the eggs the queen produced were her own ones and not from Ripley and the same with the newborn. Due to the mix of DNA the aliens were different than earlier ones and explains their different behavior and look as well how the newborn came to be.
Or what did I miss? :/

What I like:

-The aliens design (yes, i like the Alien Resurrection design)
-The underwater scene
-Siguorney Weaver
- And the game (this was the best that came from that movie)

What I don't like:

-General Perez and his dumb face
-The Newborn
- How they somehow found the frozen DNA in Fury 161 (this is the worst of the film)

QuoteDue to the mix of DNA the aliens were different than earlier ones and explains their different behavior and look as well how the newborn came to be.

What "different behaviour"?

Revenge; pushing the big red button to freeze the human because damn those idiots had it coming.

The queen in Aliens sure seemed vengeful after Ripley torched her nest.

She did that without irony though.

Didn't like the cheesy dark humor written into the script nor the dodgy looking Ripley 1-7 clones and Newborn.

I actually prefer the edited sci fi version over all other versions of the story because it gets rid of the things like Perez picking out his brain and other things that were supposed to make you guffaw but came across to me as being pretty silly.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Feb 04, 2014, 11:01:24 AM
Revenge; pushing the big red button to freeze the human because damn those idiots had it coming.

Ah, so by "different", you mean "not really different".

Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 04, 2014, 10:09:08 PM
Didn't like the cheesy dark humor written into the script nor the dodgy looking Ripley 1-7 clones and Newborn.

I actually prefer the edited sci fi version over all other versions of the story because it gets rid of the things like Perez picking out his brain and other things that were supposed to make you guffaw but came across to me as being pretty silly.

Tell me more of this version.

Its like Alien Res the abbreviated version.  Pretty much all the violence has been taken out (which also gets rid of the goofy body horror/humor) they were going for, but it maintains a more serious vibe for the majority of the film.

I've noticed Sci Fi I getting more bold with what they show so said edit of ARes when it first game out might not be around today.  I liked it though.

I liked it because it brought back the intensity of Aliens, but it did not have the dense storyline. Still, a good popcorn movie.

Quote from: Henriksen on Feb 07, 2014, 02:14:25 AM
I liked it because it brought back the intensity of Aliens,

I can't tell if you're serious or not.  Well played.

Its probably better then part 3.
It at least looks nice,
which is 1 better then zero.

Its probably better then prometheus.
prometheus may look nicer (or at least more expensive),
but then it takes 2-3 steps back for being so narratively stupid.

Cloning a ripley that also has an Alien inside her from a blood sample made more sense then the black goo. That was just one dumb thing barely mentioned and easily ignored as the rest of the movie moves on. Compared to a major recurring plot device doing different dumb things for an hour and a half with no payoff or reason for doing them.
;D ;)

Resurrection isn't very good, but out of all the trash that people like.
Its better then anything paul ws anderson ever did,
and personally I'd rather watch it again then anything by jj abrams.

The film just needs a more serious tone and some proper tension. I think the cloning thing with the embryo still inside her works for sci-fi even if in reality it's probably bullshit.

Too many things they got wrong, the designs, the tone some of the dialog.

Although I do love Johnner he couldn't save the film.

A fun film is what it is.

My three biggest gripes over Resurrection are.

• Weyland-Yutani getting abolished by Walmart
• The late introduction of the Newborn- what is it 10, 15 minutes till the credits start rolling 
• Christie being killed off- WTF, he was awesome!

Christie's ricochet scene made me want him dead.  The whole movie just had that goofy Fifth Element feel to it common to all French sci-fi.

Admittedly, Alien Resurrection and The Fifth Element are the only French sci-fi movies that I've actually seen on purpose.

Only the Fifth Element is great.

When Chris Tucker showed up, that's when it finally clicked for me that it's supposed to be a comedy.

Liked:

Ripley
Clone scene
The infected guy


Disliked:

The pure cheese one liners
The moment the general pulls out a bit of his brain and looks at it
The general's eye brows
The general's hairy shoulders
The general's comic relief type character
The stupid Alien noises
The newborn bitch slapping the queens head off

This is the only forum where I actually find fans defending Resurrection. I believe this film is still one of the most underrated films in the series. Even far worse underrated than Alien 3. Alien 3 has actually gained some notoriety over the coming years because of the improved Assembly Cut and the dark themes throughout the film which really set a tone with many fans. In the world of the films man LV-426 was toast. After the Nuclear Processor blew it was like a Nuclear Bomb going off. The nest and the rest of the Aliens would of been wiped out easily. The Derelict Ship was destroyed also in the blast considering how close it was to Hadley's Hope. It probably wouldn't of survived either. Remember Bishop saying, "In 20 minutes this place is going to be a vapor cloud the size of Nebraska." So there's no way "Going back to where the aliens came from." Like Aliens Colonial Marines suggests. Sorry guys.. So what are you left with? Your left with the only way to bring back the species....to clone Ripley in hopes of birthing a new Alien Queen. I honestly don't give a crap about the technical jargin "how could they clone a queen alien inside a new Ripley??" blah blah blah. Cloning Ripley seemed like THE BEST way to bring back Ripley from the dead and not only that but I think they did a pretty good job conveying that with the aborted clone scene. That scene showed the audience that what the scientists were doing was clearly wrong and what the Military had been hiding was nothing good. They made it believable, fun and entertaining. Cloning Ripley seemed much more logical than going back to a desolate, destoryed planet with nothing but nuclear waste to touch. It wasn't an option to swing with and Sigourney Weaver along with 20th Century Fox didn't want to go back to earth either after Resurrection. I learned to really appreciate the four films and filmmakers of the franchise, and one of the first things I learned was that the first four Alien films are spectacular achievements of science fiction cinema as well as the 5th part Prometheus. Part four is yet another amazingly impressive Alien film. I watch it all the time whenever I watch the series.

There is a negligible subplot involving a group of shady characters headed by the wonderfully sinister Michael Wincott as Frank Elgyn, who promises his men won't start trouble or get into any fights if they are allowed to stay on board for a few days and nights. I also have to mention Ron Perlman, who just has a face for this kind of movie. Probably most recognizable as Hellboy, this has to be one of the least appreciated actors of the last few decades. In just over 20 years he has acted in more than 150 films and TV shows, and at the time of this writing he has 18 projects in the works. Unbelievable! He also has one of the best lines in the movie ("Whats the big deal *beep* waste of ammo....must be a chick thing).

The aliens are at times the thing that will really enhance this movie, and in my opinion they were impressive. The occasional CGI effects are nicely convincing, and they didn't overdo them. Even the aliens swimming underwater was not too much for me to accept, perhaps given the automatic tension that is immediately generated in almost any movie where someone has to hold their breath for a long period of time. This went on far and long and created some very good tension. I would also argue that this is the goriest of all of the four alien movies, particularly at the end, but also contains some of the best comic relief. This combination makes the movie highly entertaining, even following in the long shadows of its spectacular predecessors.

There is a high energy scene in the third act of the film where Perlman's character performs a daredevil stunt (which he did in real life) to shoot one of the pursuing aliens dead which is followed by what has to be the funniest spider killing in film history. I haven't laughed out loud like that at a movie in a long, long time. It is so obvious that everyone jumps on the bandwagon about bashing this movie. No one ever gives this film a second chance and I don't think many understood what Jean-Pierre Jeunet was trying to say with this film. I see nothing but whiny, pouting little brats and trolls whimpering and griping about little nitpicky details in the movie, condemning the third sequel in the Alien quadrilogy as a travesty and an embarrassment and a pathetic way to end the series. Just so many haters...

Stupid people in large numbers, man. It's sad to see such a clear mob mentality slamming a movie that is much more F'in better than most people say. But its a great installment in the series, and you could certainly do a lot worse for some fun popcorn sci-fi on a Friday night. but it is clear to me that Alien: Resurrection has yet to receive the respect it deserves.

What about people who have legitimate gripes with the dialogue or pacing?

Resurrection does get way more vitriol than it deserves - but it's in no way above criticism.

Quote from: SM on Feb 28, 2014, 02:33:12 AM
What about people who have legitimate gripes with the dialogue or pacing?

Resurrection does get way more vitriol than it deserves - but it's in no way above criticism.

Positively.

It had some good moments...Ripley 8 discovering her other clones is one of the most classic scenes in the series...

but there's also some terrible acting, dialogue, casting...and why kill Michael Wincott off so early? And why introduce diStephano - the most pointless character ever.

Quote from: Flight Officer Lambert on Feb 28, 2014, 02:30:29 AMI also have to mention Ron Perlman, who just has a face for this kind of movie. Probably most recognizable as Hellboy, this has to be one of the least appreciated actors of the last few decades.

He was awful in A:R.

I have to disagree pretty much the only reason I watch the film.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Mar 01, 2014, 12:07:30 PMHe was awful in A:R.

He utterly summed up the main thing that was wrong with the film - i.e. he was playing it as a black comedy - but in that respect I thought he was actually really good in it. He has all the funniest lines. It's inappropriate, but he did it well.

I think Brad Dourif and Leland Orser, were all under-utilized and their characters not quite letting them live up to their own talent, Dourif in particular. He didn't get enough time to do anything. He could have easily been the main human protagonist in this - not to typecast them both.

Leland Orser just isn't Leland Orser unless he's panicking.

Brad Dourif is amazing. I agree and wish he would have had more screentime.

Whedon hated them using Dourif.  I could buy his explanation if it was born out in his script.

Resurrection could had been a good movie if treated differently than they did:
They could had gone deeper with the concept of Ripley being an alien clone and make it more interesting with what makes one human and her difficulties with behaving with humans, what we got in the movie was pretty much a human with some mental disorders but could speak and work with humans without problems, if we count out the groups mistrust in her. Also more about her connection to the aliens and she might wanna join them instead? Or what they think about Ripley, if they see her as an enemy or maybe someone they see as one of their own? In the movie they just in one moment make them hate her and in the next hug her and bring her to the queen for help the queen with what is going on with her.

Also a different director would be needed, one who barely know English is a bad choice, period. More serious script and less humor and bad jokes. A dark tone or realistic setting as the other movies had. No dumb characters and coward soldiers bailing out as soon as the aliens escape. Make the soldiers try to regain control over the ship and also try to hunt down the group of freelance pirates.

Make the xenos more dangerous: If we count out the soldiers who got killed after they escaped , the xenos failed at killing humans on a big level, they managed to kill lets see.... 2 persons? I count out the ladder one since he killed himself after he got his face destroyed. How many xenos died by the hands of the humans? 4 drones and countless eggs and facehuggers and that is when the eggs is in short supply and a question if they can even get more of them in the future due to their mutations.
So with other words: The xenos get outperformed against some wannabe pirates who isnt military trained and makes one wonder why the soldiers on board had a such hurry to escape? First movie where the xenos are almost harmless against the main characters in the movie, I prefer Alien 3 easily where no one is safe.

Now with the aliens having human DNA in them they had the chance to design the aliens better than before or do something unique but we just got lame looking ones and chicken legs ones and no real new ideas or even done well, no i´m not a fan of the xenos in this movie. And them killing each other is also something I react against.

And then with the newborn where they had the chance to design something awesome and super alien or something they go for some ugly shit and is so badly designed I dunno what they were thinking, so much potential here but they threw it away, okay i see the idea of making an human xeno which has more human traits but looks bad. Would preferred them to make a super xeno which is more dangerous than the normal one and more xeno like in design. Wish they also showed more scenes with the queen and the scientist studying her, like how she laid her eggs and the changes she went through and maybe even the scientist asking ripley questions what she knows about it. They could also done a different approach to the queen like: Since she has human DNA she dont lay eggs with ovipositor but a different way and also instead of a womb she would had started to lay bigger eggs directly which spawns almost fully grown xenos?

Poorly written movie, scientists who is not doing much science or studying about the xenos and is dumb, a ship not prepared for having xenos onboard or pre-research about the creatures, dumb scenes and xenos which is far less dangerous than in the past and what broke the camels back for me was the newborns birth scene and death of the queen, hate this movie.

The soldiers evacuating is the most intelligent thing to do in the circumstance of Aliens escaping.

True and they might not know how dangerous they can be but as we see in the movie they werent that dangerous and 50-100 soldiers should had been able to stop the few aliens on board. But since the ship will return to earth and there can get under control it might be a good idea, unless the pirates ruin the experiment as they did.

They didn't have 50-100 soldiers.

I listened to part of the Director's Commentary last night. I was appalled. Now, perhaps it was my misinterpretation of Gallic wit, but I really don't think the team were treating the property with any respect at all. Ok, it's only a movie and just a job but from what I was hearing (thus far anyway), it seems as though they were a bunch of geezers who'd been given a bunch of money and told to "go mad, boys."

Some of the comments that the team made were just awful ("I f**king love this shot." "Why?" "Cos it's doesn't make any sense.")... the whole thing seemed to be an acknowledgement of "we made a shitty movie and we think its funny we got paid a load cash to do it." The excuse (if that's the right word) seems to be that "it's a French film" and the inference being that if you don't like it, you're some kind Neanderthal who doesn't appreciate proper films.

It wasn't a total loss - I thought it looked great - have to say that. The dark, creepy corridors, monolithic space hulk stuff was really harkening back to the Nostromo, the swimming aliens were very cool and I thought it had some neat ideas. Using Ripley's DNA to clone a Queen... OK... having them share some DNA... OK, that's clever. And having the Queen inherit the reproductive system of a human - clever (but as I type, I keep thinking that its not very logical, cos then you'd have to have a way to inseminate her which I think the xenos are not geared up to do - or maybe they are, there was a hint of something unspeakable going on with Lambert in the first one, wasn't there).  But in any event - it seemed like a good concept.

That was sort of covered in goo and had Sigourney Weaver writhing around on it, which was a bit off putting. Indeed the "rebirth" stuff all over the show was a bit like being hit on the head with hammer. A hammer that emerged, new born, from the cocoon of goo covered tool box, of course.

As I say, the seeming lack of respect for what they were doing and the all-but-admission that it was a black comedy really appalled me. At least WS Anderson seemed to have a vision and actually care about what he was doing (say what you like about the execution, the studio etc etc - he did have a genuine enthusiasm for the franchise), but these guys really just came across as though they genuinely thought this was all a big joke.

I'll listen to the rest soon, but colour me miffed for now.

I think you're misinterpreting their attempts at 'ow you say "'umour" as not taking it seriously.

They took it seriously, but tried to do something a bit different which didn't resonate with many people.

http://kotaku.com/does-this-japanese-television-network-even-give-a-f-k-1541117837 (http://kotaku.com/does-this-japanese-television-network-even-give-a-f-k-1541117837)

That's kinda sad and hilarous.

I understand why so many dislike this movie but at the same time I really do enjoy this for what it is, a dark comedy. Not only that but there were some great performances. Sigourney Weaver as Ripley 8 did a fantastic job playing a Ripley we never knew before , Michael Wincott as the space pirate Captain Elgyn, Ron Pearlman as Johner and Leland Orser as Purvis. Also J.E. Freeman as Wren and Brad Dourif as Gediman the evil scientists did a great job too. I think the scene though that stole the show for this movie was the aborted clone scene. It was good for the audience to feel the pathos for these clone characters. They needed to see that they were in pain so that the audience could feel that what the scientists were doing was clearly wrong. I think the 7th clone was the most elaborate of them for good reason it actually was a character that was emotionally charged it just wasn't some gag real they decided to make up. When I saw this scene for the first time I just thought how visceral and horrific the 7th clone was and that Ripley 8 had every justifiable reason in ending its life. Its one of my favorite scenes in the whole series and still one of the best scenes in the Alien franchise. I thought the underwater scene was fantastic. It was really effective in building a lot of that claustrophobic tension. And there was a lot of good funny moments in this film. The more I watch Alien Resurrection the more I enjoy the humor that was intended and a lot of the goofy things that went on in the movie.

Good review, you actually summed up my feelings pretty succinctly.

I still hate the film as a part of the Alien franchise, but I enjoy it as a piece of entertainment.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 12, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
http://kotaku.com/does-this-japanese-television-network-even-give-a-f-k-1541117837 (http://kotaku.com/does-this-japanese-television-network-even-give-a-f-k-1541117837)

What happened in japan three years ago was terrible and sad, no question, but in what a pathetic world do we live in now that this is considered a serious issue or news? If they showed a movie instead that is more popular, like The Avengers, would this still be a bad thing? I  just see a tasteless attempt of some stupid fanboy site exploiting a terrible event just to trash a movie they don't like. Well done boys and girls. You just showed everyone how smart and sophisticated you are by calling it stupid to air a "bad" movie like Alien Resurrection during a ceremony that is broadcasted on 99 other channels anyway. You can be proud.   

PS. TV Tokyo showing Alien Resurrection kicks ass.

Did you actually read the article, or did your whole vision just go red the second you got to the page? They never once comment on the quality of Alien Resurrection. They never say it's a shit movie. Or a good one. Or anything. The entire thing is about how TV Tokyo does this all the time. Yeah, if it'd been The Avengers they'd be writing the same stuff -- there'd just be Avengers screencaps instead.

Christ. The article's about the station, not AR. You can calm down.

Quote from: Scree on Mar 13, 2014, 12:13:37 PMWhat happened in japan three years ago was terrible and sad, no question, but in what a pathetic world do we live in now that this is considered a serious issue or news? If they showed a movie instead that is more popular, like The Avengers, would this still be a bad thing? I  just see a tasteless attempt of some stupid fanboy site exploiting a terrible event just to trash a movie they don't like. Well done boys and girls. You just showed everyone how smart and sophisticated you are by calling it stupid to air a "bad" movie like Alien Resurrection during a ceremony that is broadcasted on 99 other channels anyway. You can be proud.

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Yes I did read the whole article and saw all the screens from that station during important news stories and that's funny or not funny of course but I still got the impression they're making a clear statement here regarding Alien Resurrection even if it's not written directly.

I'm not upset, at all. I'm hearing and reading these things since 1997. So no need to worry.

The only quality questioned is the station's, not the movie. That just happened to be what was showing. The only criticism is the one you're imagining yourself to get worked up over.

If you're not upset, you wouldn't have got snarky over something so trivial.

They've shown numerous examples of how TV Tokyo doesn't screen current events - while an ample number of other channels do.  Why the faux outrage this time?

On the bright side - at least it wasn't the under water bit I guess...

Quote from: SM on Mar 13, 2014, 10:15:52 PMOn the bright side - at least it wasn't the under water bit I guess...

Oh no he didn't...!

Now when I remember:
IF I recall right the movie manuscript for alien resurrection was quite different in some ways than the end movie was.
Example: Instead of the queen having a womb she were pregnant like a human in the script with a huge belly and from what I get is that she died when the birth of the newborn was over?
And this time the other xenomorphs were there but they then saw the newborn as their new leader.

Ahh here it is:
http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/alienresurrection_early.html (http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/alienresurrection_early.html)

Depends on the version.

Gave Rez a watch last night and can now proclaim I LOVE IT!

Good lad.

Resurrection just loses whatever mojo it has after Christie buys the farm. 

Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 25, 2014, 05:52:23 AMResurrection just loses whatever mojo it has after Christie buys the farm.

Fairly valid assessment. Other than the longer chapel scene that's added in the Special Edition, there isn't much after that sequence that really stands out.

Not even the Newborn's birth and its death?

Quote from: Mr. Runner on Sep 25, 2014, 01:07:43 PMNot even the Newborn's birth and its death?

They stood out for all the wrong reasons :)

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 25, 2014, 01:18:22 PM

Quote from: Mr. Runner on Sep 25, 2014, 01:07:43 PMNot even the Newborn's birth and its death?

They stood out for all the wrong reasons :)

It should've been introduced earlier- but I guess they wanted to drop a bombshell you didn't see coming. By the time it appears your outta steam. But really, fifteen, twenty minutes to showcase this beast? That's just cruel.

Quote from: Mr. Runner on Sep 25, 2014, 01:49:25 PMIt should've been introduced earlier- but I guess they wanted to drop a bombshell you didn't see coming. By the time it appears your outta steam. But really, fifteen, twenty minutes to showcase this beast? That's just cruel.

I actually don't mind the creature itself, unlike many others - it's undeniably a brilliant piece of special effects work, and its design fits with the tone of the film (i.e. daft and completely inappropriate for an Alien movie).

As for its death, getting sucked piecemeal out into space is a great idea, but it's done so overly gratuitously in Resurrection that it just becomes repulsive and mean-spirited rather than shocking.

It is undeniably mean what she does it. Abomination or not, no one deserves that kind of cruelty. The Newborn's the main reason why I love the film. It's possibly my favourite iteration the Alien- just an inkling ahead of Kane's Son and the Runner.

Am I the only nutter that wanted a happy ending with it being hugged by its mother, as the sun sets in decimated Paris?  :'(