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Author Topic: The Xenos from Covenant are NOT the same as in the Alien Quadrilogy  (Read 291 times)

Feb 26, 2019, 05:08:12 AM
Topic on: Feb 26, 2019, 05:08:12 AM
- Prometheus: No Xenos to be found, just very early prototypes or whatever.

- Alien: Covenant: Xenos a different batch of eggs, and resemble the Xenos we see in the non-canon AVP movies.

- Alien: The Xeno Big Chap is beautiful and comes from the derelict's batch of eggs.

- Aliens: Bit of a variation on the Big Chap, but these are explained as an aging metamorphosis. Eggs still come from the derelict. Consistent with Giger's work.

- Alien3: Do we know where this egg came from? LOL. Any way, it's the animal Runner Xeno, and is pretty consistent with Giger's vision. Definitely a family relation to the derelict Xenos.

- Alien Resurrection: Totally different, ugly, stupid looking Xenos. These still share a family relation to the derelict ones. But they are genetically modified, which explains a lot.

IMO, these facts show us that David A:C Xenos are not really the same ones from the 4 alien films. They are quite similar, yes. But whatever happened to start it all in the 1979 film had to do with a slight genetic modification. Improved Xeno, improved alien: The Giger Big Chap. This, to me, makes the prequel films not quite so bad. 

Feb 26, 2019, 06:13:05 AM
Reply #1 on: Feb 26, 2019, 06:13:05 AM
You can't use your opinion as a fact to back up your opinion. It's like defining a word by using the word itself ???


I mean, you're right in saying that they're not from literally the same batch of eggs, but that doesn't mean they're not the same Aliens.

« Last Edit: Feb 26, 2019, 06:28:10 AM by SiL »

Feb 26, 2019, 06:59:25 AM
Reply #2 on: Feb 26, 2019, 06:59:25 AM
Correct, the creatures appearing in these movies are not the same. 

The Covenant Aliens are David's Version 1.0 while the creature appearing in 'ALIEN' is a later strain or development and may be considered to be David's V1.3 of the creature.  We don't know exactly yet, but it's a progression along a line and it's something we've not seen yet. 

As for the eggs go, it's the same deal.  Even the facehuggers that attack Oram and Lope are different from those seen in 'ALIEN' and 'ALIENS'.  These iterations are all David's prototypes, his trial runs, his test versions.  This is kind of obvious during the final act of 'ALIEN: Covenant' as he's watching and observing how his new creation is put to the test against real human adversaries.  He's visibly disappointed at the result when Daniels and Tennessee defeat it. 

It's back to the drawing board for David and he now has 2000 colonists to experiment on and Version 1.2 of his creation will have some revisions made to address, among other things, the creature's aggression, intelligence and appearance.  That will probably be in the next movie - so it's likely there's a missing link between the 2 creatures that have appeared to date.  It's kind of obvious, really.

There's also a key line of dialogue David delivers at some point - either in cut material or a comic or somewhere - I don't know it's exact origin - but he says "The future isn't organic or synthetic - it's biomechanical" suggesting he aint done yet with developing his creation, and that maybe he'll be introducing some of his own android chemistry into the next version.

So what is actually happening, is we are witnessing an evolution of unnatural selection that needs to have the gaps filled and I hope we get to see those missing pieces put into place.   

So of course the 'ALIEN Covenant' and 'ALIEN' creatures are different - they're supposed to be.


Feb 26, 2019, 07:45:59 AM
Reply #3 on: Feb 26, 2019, 07:45:59 AM
Well yeah; If the idea is "this is the prototype before the finished version we see later", yes. That's the point.

If it's another "They're not the same so David didn't make them", then no.


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