This article is brilliant, very well written and it perfectly sums up all the problems with the entire mentality of this culture we exist within today.
http://www.avclub.com/article/neill-blomkamp-alien-could-be-recipe-disappointmen-215856 (http://www.avclub.com/article/neill-blomkamp-alien-could-be-recipe-disappointmen-215856)
This author drives the point home by focusing on the problem being fan-driven culture.
I am particularly drawn to this example he makes out of Ghostbusters/ Ghostbusters fans:
"It's like the culture that rejects the new, continuity-free, female-centric Ghostbusters in favor of the faintest, decades-old, Dan Aykroyd-related flames of hope for a Ghostbusters III. Of course, some—really, most—of those reactions were driven by old-fashioned sexist idiocy. (Sure, we wanted to indulge our childhood obsession—but not if there's gonna be girls there making it all girly!) But these reactions actually manage to seem even stupider considering how much virtual ink had been enthusiastically spilled over the possibility of a third Ghostbusters movie before Sony announced the distaff version. I'm not wildly excited over the possibility of this Ghostbusters movie, only because I think the talent involved could find something better to do with their time. But what do the now-disappointed Ghostbusters III faithful actually want? A sequel that uses the original cast members—even though one is now dead and another seems wholly uninterested—but somehow isn't (as bad as) Ghostbusters II?"
And my question in lew of all this is simple: Why retcon, when the odds of the retcon doing any real justice are slim to none?
At the end of the day, how can Ripley in an Alien suit be any less ridiculous than her being crossbred with an Alien in A:R?
And if and when she flies the Derelict back in time and crashes on LV426 thus becoming the space jockey, and making a time loop - will you sing praises for its bold take? Or curse the powers that be, while simultaneously pleading for Fox to give Hicks a spin off to make everything good again?
The way out is always through. Here's hoping Blomkamp is as self aware as he seems.
Yeah, for us it could be a disappointment ;D But I just realised that for Blomkamp this is a win/win situation.
Even if he makes a crappy movie it's still part of the legendary series. And his name is right there in the hall of fame: Scott, Cameron, Fincher, Jeunet, Blomkamp. And all of us will buy his movie, because let's face it, a new Pentalogy 4K Blu-ray is coming soon ;)
will they tell blomkamp what to do like they did in alien 3 with david fincher ???
Eh. The article makes a few good points, but paints the picture as if most fans are this way, which I heartily disagree. I think it's just the loudest ones. When you go through the comments of the internet world and pick out the good ones, you'll find some very well-reasoned arguments for their dislike of certain films. It's pretty easy to tell which is which. And frankly, the studio only listening to itself is was got us Alien 3. So I'd go with listening to the fans more often than not, even if you decide not to do what they say they want you to do. The Ghostbusters 3 people have decided not to listen to the fans who are telling them what they're doing is a bad idea. Frankly, I think this will come back to haunt them.
I do agree with the main point the writer was making though, which was that enthusiasm and hype should be separated from one's expectations of a movie, which I agree with completely. Afterall, if you expect the world from a movie, you will always be disappointed. Some of my favorite movies have been the ones I saw with no expectations whatsoever. When you walk into a movie with little to no preconceptions, it can blow you away. Those are truly the best times to be a movie fan.
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 05, 2015, 08:05:13 AM
will they tell blomkamp what to do like they did in alien 3 with david fincher ???
If Blomkamp doesn't take the initiative to have a clear, cut and dry vision for the film and is stern about how he wants to make it Fox I'm sure would kind of make some decisions for him. Fox are all bullies over there. Hard to work with execs who demand anything that will give them a huge box office success.
Blomkamp has made 2 incredible sci-fi films. District 9 and Elysium. Both were highly successful. Considering that, I'm sure Fox won't intervene too much at all with Blomkamps vision.
Back in '92 when Alien 3 was rolling around the studio was depending on Alien 3 to make them money and to keep the studio going. Thats why there was so much pressure behind Fincher given by the studio to make Alien 3 another "Alien" or "Aliens" so they could have success.
The studio since than after 23 years have changed a lot and I'm sure they don't need to depend on a certain film nowadays to make money. They have produced so many successful franchises since than.
So in the end I'm sure Blomkamp will have a lot of creative freedom.
Great article.
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 05, 2015, 03:02:04 PM
Eh. The article makes a few good points, but paints the picture as if most fans are this way, which I heartily disagree. I think it's just the loudest ones. When you go through the comments of the internet world and pick out the good ones, you'll find some very well-reasoned arguments for their dislike of certain films. It's pretty easy to tell which is which. And frankly, the studio only listening to itself is was got us Alien 3. So I'd go with listening to the fans more often than not, even if you decide not to do what they say they want you to do. The Ghostbusters 3 people have decided not to listen to the fans who are telling them what they're doing is a bad idea. Frankly, I think this will come back to haunt them.
I do agree with the main point the writer was making though, which was that enthusiasm and hype should be separated from one's expectations of a movie, which I agree with completely. Afterall, if you expect the world from a movie, you will always be disappointed. Some of my favorite movies have been the ones I saw with no expectations whatsoever. When you walk into a movie with little to no preconceptions, it can blow you away. Those are truly the best times to be a movie fan.
I think the overall take-home is that fans do not use enough reason, to temper their expectations for new sequels, and worse-so they fully expect that there is some magical way to rectify things after ships have already sailed. I was trying to put it this eloquently, and this author does much better than I have.
You simply cannot expect every sequel in a series, especially one that began with films as universally enchanted with perfection as Alien and Aliens, to magically be wisked back into shape because someone goes back and does what they wished had been done before.
I consider myself one of the select few who recognize that trying to follow Aliens with a film that doesn't disappoint is hard, now, before or without retcon and I will bet any amount of money people hate this for x, y and z reasons, that in the end will only be added to the pile ontop of it being a retcon that doesn't do what people wanted.
This isn't me trashing the film because in the end, I will be the type of fan who can appreciate it for what it is nd always have been, and that's precisely why at this point, I know to say, it shouldn't even happen as a retcon because fans will feel the same way about it, if it wasn't one. In fact, I've said this before, its more likely to be considered an improvement on things if it isn't than it is to be considered a better follow up to Alien 3 that ties into Prometheus.
The only thing that Blomkamp needs to do, really, is make a film that is better than Alien3. On the good side, Alien3 is not a great film. On the bad side, no film in the Alien franchise has topped Alien3 since it was released (including Prometheus imo).
Quote from: Ash 937 on Mar 05, 2015, 09:44:03 PM
The only thing that Blomkamp needs to do, really, is make a film that is better than Alien3. On the good side, Alien3 is not a great film. On the bad side, no film in the Alien franchise has topped Alien3 since it was released (including Prometheus imo).
"Only" thing he needs to do? Good luck Blomkamp! He should lower his bar to ALIENS - that's more his style of movie making - great effects, concepts and designs. Narratives, dialogue, characters, underlying commentaries and themes are things that he doesn't handle that well at all. He's very blunt, but just like Cameron his on-screen handiwork and eye for detail seem to make up for those flaws apparently...
District 9 wasnt that good and Elysium wasnt much worse.
Dont know how long Blomkap is working on this alien stuff, could be epic but could also be "not so good"
I don't think anyone posting with artistic credential opinion on film here is educated in the art of film. Aliens, in terms of film, is a superior movie to Alien 3. Alien 3 is a visually powerful movie, with the bare minimum plot to get away with its stunning motifs, themes, and visuals, and uses it themes as a justification for its troubled plot. Even the Appendix Cut, as much as I love it, has serious glaring flaws.
Aliens is hardly a dumb movie. Or to imply that it's made by dumb people. Or to imply the film is artless. The logistics required that were in order for that film to work, is always astounding. If you complain about Blomkamp's focus on visuals, how could you not apply the same criticism to Alien 3. Alien 3, relies almost entirely on its visuals and execution. It almost gets away with it because its so purposefully melodramatic. You also forget that Fincher originally signed up on the idea of what Blomkamp was doing, ditching the Ward script entirely. Though Ward's script kept the structure of the film.
Fincher wanted to make the film, Neil is making right now. He wanted to make a sequel to Aliens. He's said as much in interviews.
Aliens was a technical film that paralleled the technical nature of Alien. Blomkamp is a highly technical director, and loves that reflected in his films, the technical nature of things, in a more exaggerated Sci-Fi way of course.
Could it be dissapointing is entirely how you look at a talented someone who probably doesn't want to f**k this up.
A sobering article. A very sobering one.
To be truthful, I.. couldn't care much about another movie. I mean the only thing which I am happy is that it's an alternative route but.. Wow.. Wikipedia and everyone and their Mom out there is saying that this is erasing Alien 3 and Resurrection. Even some random Dudebro at Barnes and Noble even said this, and I overheard him talking with another Dudebro as they were looking at comics.
The problem i have with all female ghostbusters is some of the possible choices thats all.
Anoter thing which the article made a good point on is that Geekdom as a whole has become an Anti Continuity-Free culture to where reboots and remakes are more or less no longer tolerated, and now retcons and sequels are the must. Truth be told, I would prefer a stand-alone or a reboot of the franchise but.. it's an unpopular opinion but the article makes it's point across to where when fans start calling the shots, even at a professional level... it's a little discerning.
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 05, 2015, 10:34:58 PM
I don't think anyone posting with artistic credential opinion on film here is educated in the art of film. Aliens, in terms of film, is a superior movie to Alien 3. Alien 3 is a visually powerful movie, with the bare minimum plot to get away with its stunning motifs, themes, and visuals, and uses it themes as a justification for its troubled plot. Even the Appendix Cut, as much as I love it, has serious glaring flaws.
Aliens is hardly a dumb movie. Or to imply that it's made by dumb people. Or to imply the film is artless. The logistics required that were in order for that film to work, is always astounding. If you complain about Blomkamp's focus on visuals, how could you not apply the same criticism to Alien 3. Alien 3, relies almost entirely on its visuals and execution. It almost gets away with it because its so purposefully melodramatic. You also forget that Fincher originally signed up on the idea of what Blomkamp was doing, ditching the Ward script entirely. Though Ward's script kept the structure of the film.
Fincher wanted to make the film, Neil is making right now. He wanted to make a sequel to Aliens. He's said as much in interviews.
Aliens was a technical film that paralleled the technical nature of Alien. Blomkamp is a highly technical director, and loves that reflected in his films, the technical nature of things, in a more exaggerated Sci-Fi way of course.
Could it be dissapointing is entirely how you look at a talented someone who probably doesn't want to f**k this up.
I'm not at this to toot my own horn, but I am very schooled in film-making. I have a resume 3 pages long, having worked in the business for years. I've done a little of everything, including technical directing professionally. I have a degree in filmmaking, I have taught classes on it. I just signed on as 3rdAD on a feature shooting here in NYC in 3 weeks. Now, if only I had been wise enough to raise some dough for a film of my own, instead of being an arty snob and making whatever I wanted for all these years... I may be doing what Blomkamp is doing now. You see, the more I read his comments the more I see a kindred spirit in him, and I would not slight him for being a fan and doing what he wants. Though, I will be very surprised if his film does indeed completely wipe Alien 3 out of canon for this very reason. I can't wrap my head around someone like him making such an non-integral decision and so, I still think he has some trick up his sleeve. Also with Ridley Scott producing... it may involve the mythology in Prometheus. I would expect it does not contradict it, whatsoever.
So it's really not about his personal desires to return to something, even my instincts would have done differently. If I were writing Alien 3, it would not have been ANYTHING like what it is now. I can say that without question, and I think the author of this article would be suprised to hear Blomkamp say the things he is saying. For instance, I'm very glad he is saying he doesn't care what the fan community wants, and that he is approaching the film as an artist, with the singular exception of feeling like an artist would appreciate Alien 3 MORE than it's predecessors. So despite liking these comments from him, I believe he contradicts himself, in this latest IGN interview especially. One the one hand, he seems poised to do something interesting, especially when I consider his concept art, like the idea of tie-ing in some of the ideas in Prometheus to the end of Ripley's story, and have heard interesting comments from Sigourney. But on the other hand I think he IS making the mistake this article is calling him out on - which is, trying to make the film he wanted to see 20 years ago without considering that the reason he didn't get it in the first place, wasn't something as simple as just having the right sensibility. Look at the talent involved with that film. Many of which were involved in the production of the previous films, including the lead, who helped to shape it out of a ditch, who is also NOW shaping this. Development Hell, for ALIEN 3 didn't happen for lack of trying the wrong people. Yes, some things, like trying to make a release date, instead of organically raising pre-production - are NO DOUBT on Blomkamp's side this time, and I think that speaks miles for this. But overall, I am thinking, just from what I see in his concept art, that what you see is already not miles away from things fans didn't like in Prometheus and Ressurection and that's because to make the series grow, it also has to get away from what it was before and just throwing Hicks into the mix and saying "See. This is what we always wanted to see but never did!" and naively expecting it to be something-like the first two is really foolish because we will likely just end up with the same unsatisfied fan base. At least Blomkamp is trying to satisfy himself.
Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 05, 2015, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 05, 2015, 10:34:58 PM
I don't think anyone posting with artistic credential opinion on film here is educated in the art of film. Aliens, in terms of film, is a superior movie to Alien 3. Alien 3 is a visually powerful movie, with the bare minimum plot to get away with its stunning motifs, themes, and visuals, and uses it themes as a justification for its troubled plot. Even the Appendix Cut, as much as I love it, has serious glaring flaws.
Aliens is hardly a dumb movie. Or to imply that it's made by dumb people. Or to imply the film is artless. The logistics required that were in order for that film to work, is always astounding. If you complain about Blomkamp's focus on visuals, how could you not apply the same criticism to Alien 3. Alien 3, relies almost entirely on its visuals and execution. It almost gets away with it because its so purposefully melodramatic. You also forget that Fincher originally signed up on the idea of what Blomkamp was doing, ditching the Ward script entirely. Though Ward's script kept the structure of the film.
Fincher wanted to make the film, Neil is making right now. He wanted to make a sequel to Aliens. He's said as much in interviews.
Aliens was a technical film that paralleled the technical nature of Alien. Blomkamp is a highly technical director, and loves that reflected in his films, the technical nature of things, in a more exaggerated Sci-Fi way of course.
Could it be dissapointing is entirely how you look at a talented someone who probably doesn't want to f**k this up.
I'm not at this to toot my own horn, but I am very schooled in film-making. I have a resume 3 pages long, having worked in the business for years. I've done a little of everything, including technical directing professionally. I have a degree in filmmaking, I have taught classes on it. I just signed on as 3rdAD on a feature shooting here in NYC in 3 weeks. Now, if only I had been wise enough to raise some dough for a film of my own, instead of being an arty snob and making whatever I wanted for all these years... I may be doing what Blomkamp is doing now. You see, the more I read his comments the more I see a kindred spirit in him, and I would not slight him for being a fan and doing what he wants. Though, I will be very surprised if his film does indeed completely wipe Alien 3 out of canon for this very reason. I can't wrap my head around someone like him making such an non-integral decision and so, I still think he has some trick up his sleeve. Also with Ridley Scott producing... it may involve the mythology in Prometheus. I would expect it does not contradict it, whatsoever.
So it's really not about his personal desires to return to something, even my instincts would have done differently. If I were writing Alien 3, it would not have been ANYTHING like what it is now. I can say that without question, and I think the author of this article would be suprised to hear Blomkamp say the things he is saying. For instance, I'm very glad he is saying he doesn't care what the fan community wants, and that he is approaching the film as an artist, with the singular exception of feeling like an artist would appreciate Alien 3 MORE than it's predecessors. So despite liking these comments from him, I believe he contradicts himself, in this latest IGN interview especially. One the one hand, he seems poised to do something interesting, especially when I consider his concept art, like the idea of tie-ing in some of the ideas in Prometheus to the end of Ripley's story, and have heard interesting comments from Sigourney. But on the other hand I think he IS making the mistake this article is calling him out on - which is, trying to make the film he wanted to see 20 years ago without considering that the reason he didn't get it in the first place, wasn't something as simple as just having the right sensibility. Look at the talent involved with that film. Many of which were involved in the production of the previous films, including the lead, who helped to shape it out of a ditch, who is also NOW shaping this. Development Hell, for ALIEN 3 didn't happen for lack of trying the wrong people. Yes, some things, like trying to make a release date, instead of organically raising pre-production - are NO DOUBT on Blomkamp's side this time, and I think that speaks miles for this. But overall, I am thinking, just from what I see in his concept art, that what you see is already not miles away from things fans didn't like in Prometheus and Ressurection and that's because to make the series grow, it also has to get away from what it was before and just throwing Hicks into the mix and saying "See. This is what we always wanted to see but never did!" and naively expecting it to be something-like the first two is really foolish because we will likely just end up with the same unsatisfied fan base. At least Blomkamp is trying to satisfy himself.
Fair enough.
What is something to consider, is that though we have to just go by the concept art, that could probably change. We have no way of knowing what will end up on screen, and while it can have the same basic idea, the way it is executed depends. For example, in the first draft for Aliens, there were pale toothless lighter Aliens, with some kind of proboscis instead of a tongue that ejects hive building resin. This of course, did not make it past pre-production.
Things are certainly different, and it seems like Neil has his mind up, but I have to say, even if we only have concept art to go by, its hardly indicative of a final product.
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 05, 2015, 08:05:13 AM
will they tell blomkamp what to do like they did in alien 3 with david fincher ???
He seems to say this is his biggest concern. He wants carte-blanche but, with Chappie generating a 36% Rotten splat on RTomatoes, the studio may start interfering, if they feel that is hurting its profit margin. Still, Scott's involvement may keep the wolves at bay. That's a plus.
You can bet your bottom dollar Fox only wants the film to be decent enough to make some money and they are satisfied with Ridley's output for the franchise all around.
As for Chappie, I will see for myself in a few hours.
Based on writer's view on ghosbusters fans and their opinion on the new reboot alone, I can't take what the article says seriously.
Sure, we might get disappointed by Alien 5. But that's always a risk in movie making. So I don't get the point. And if it's worse than Alien 3 or 4? Then Alien 3 and 4 still exist. So honestly I have no idea what the guy is trying to say other than that Blomkamp is pandering to fans or something, which isn't true because people are now writing articles about why it's bad idea.
Quote from: evolution_rex on Mar 06, 2015, 12:16:38 AM
Based on writer's view on ghosbusters fans and their opinion on the new reboot alone, I can't take what the article says seriously.
Sure, we might get disappointed by Alien 5. But that's always a risk in movie making. So I don't get the point. And if it's worse than Alien 3 or 4? Then Alien 3 and 4 still exist. So honestly I have no idea what the guy is trying to say other than that Blomkamp is pandering to fans or something, which isn't true because people are now writing articles about why it's bad idea.
I think the general point is that fans want things that aren't possible and then whine when they don't get after cheering that its being attempted in the first place. And I mean... He is using this franchise as an example, and fairly stating that its a disappointment machine because what people want from it is impossible to attain.
Look at the reaction to PROMETHEUS. I remember a few weeks prior when Damon Lindeloff saw the writing on the wall, he tried to warn fans to temper their expectations. Consider this article another FAIR warning and ask yourself if what you want actually makes any sense. Its a win/win for Blomkamp, because he is basically one of us with the ability to make this movie. But look around here. How many of these people's ideas would you actually be satisfied with if they became the next Alien movie?
Would you side with EVERYONE who wants to retcon ALIEN 3 and bring back HICKS just because, a forget whatever other thing they want to do, if they just do that it's bound to be better?
To further this, I'd ask one of you to come up w/ a way to continue this from ALIENS with Hicks and Ripley 30 years older and I truly want to hear ideas... And then consider if any of them sound good to you all. Seriously, I have yet to hear any from people that are both interesting enough to build on Aliens the way Aliens built on Alien and satisfy all the fan needs as laid out in the first two. It's not easy is it?
Blomkamp's approach to this movie is the approach of a fanboy and a conceptual designer, not a serious film maker. You can't honestly tell me that a non-fan would go down this obvious butt-hurt Hicks revival route? That's why my favorite sci-fi movies usually aren't directed by sci-fi enthusiasts as they tend to focus on the "wrong" stuff (genre based details and dilemmas). And I think a lot of us would agree on that fans and especially fanboys are usually the least fit to direct movies, no? Or maybe I'm too harsh. Just can't come to think of any movies directed by big fans that are good.
You keep using this phrase butt hurt, but your the one with posts that are full of obvious venom and contempt, sir. We haven't seen a single frame of film yet and already the worst has been assumed.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 02:07:42 AM
You keep using this phrase butt hurt, but your the one with posts that are full of obvious venom and contempt, sir. We haven't seen a single frame of film yet and already the worst has been assumed.
Last time I used that term was before/around x-mas I believe, but thank you for keeping track of my vocabulary.
His approach to this isn't serious, it's fanboy based. That is a really bad start, and since FOX only wants to find new ways to rake it in, they really don't care as it looks good enough and ensures them a bunch of sequels. Anything reminiscent to ALIENS in a 21st century packaging get the green light, and Blomkamp is hot right now and calls himself a big fan. Boom - there you go!
But sure, you're right - we haven't seen even one single frame yet. But the concidering the platform it's based on I don't think fearing the worst about this project is that out of touch.
In terms of visuals and atmosphere, Blomkamp is great. He has good ideas, but when it comes to writing he executes them poorly. I think if he gives his ideas to competent writers we can get a good movie.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 02:17:12 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 02:07:42 AM
You keep using this phrase butt hurt, but your the one with posts that are full of obvious venom and contempt, sir. We haven't seen a single frame of film yet and already the worst has been assumed.
Last time I used that term was before/around x-mas I believe, but thank you for keeping track of my vocabulary.
His approach to this isn't serious, it's fanboy based. That is a really bad start, and since FOX only wants to find new ways to rake it in, they really don't care as it looks good enough and ensures them a bunch of sequels. Anything reminiscent to ALIENS in a 21st century packaging get the green light, and Blomkamp is hot right now and calls himself a big fan. Boom - there you go!
But sure, you're right - we haven't seen even one single frame yet. But the concise ring the platform it's based on I don't think fearing the worst about Riis project is that out of touch.
I don't claim to know what Blomkamp is thinking, but it sounds like he thinks - as a lot of people do - that
Alien3 just didn't work as an
Alien movie. As a sort of fan project, he started planning an alternate sequel. You can say what you want about a desire to undo weak parts of a film series, but once that decision has been made, the natural place to start is with the survivors of
Aliens. That has nothing to do with "butthurt" over Hicks being dead. Hell, he may have wanted to kill Hicks again in the middle of the movie. We don't know.
Hoping for the best; expecting Jaws 5. Ripley in a powerloader was awesome but I think NB likes mecha a little too much. This may not bold well in my opinion.
You know, about 5 years ago when District 9 came out, I would've made Blomkamp my first suggestion for making a new Alien movie, but given his recent track record I'm not so sure. :/
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 06, 2015, 04:42:28 AM
You know, about 5 years ago when District 9 came out, I would've made Blomkamp my first suggestion for making a new Alien movie, but given his recent track record I'm not so sure. :/
His recent track record of
one other movie?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 06, 2015, 04:42:28 AM
You know, about 5 years ago when District 9 came out, I would've made Blomkamp my first suggestion for making a new Alien movie, but given his recent track record I'm not so sure. :/
His recent track record of one other movie?
Why not?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 06, 2015, 04:42:28 AM
You know, about 5 years ago when District 9 came out, I would've made Blomkamp my first suggestion for making a new Alien movie, but given his recent track record I'm not so sure. :/
His recent track record of one other movie?
Two. Which both suck.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 06, 2015, 05:34:42 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 04:53:34 AM
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 06, 2015, 04:42:28 AM
You know, about 5 years ago when District 9 came out, I would've made Blomkamp my first suggestion for making a new Alien movie, but given his recent track record I'm not so sure. :/
His recent track record of one other movie?
Two. Which both suck.
It might be the Shyamalan-Syndrome.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 06, 2015, 05:34:42 AM
Two. Which both suck.
No.
One. Chappie
isn't out yet. We have no way of knowing for sure, and all things consider it looks to be a better outing than
Elysium.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:49 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 06, 2015, 05:34:42 AM
Two. Which both suck.
No. One. Chappie isn't out yet. We have no way of knowing for sure, and all things consider it looks to be a better outing than Elysium.
Chappie currently is sitting at 33% rotten, according to rotten tomatoes... I'll see it this weekend and make up my own mind but that's not exactly encouraging.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:49 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 06, 2015, 05:34:42 AM
Two. Which both suck.
No. One. Chappie isn't out yet. We have no way of knowing for sure, and all things consider it looks to be a better outing than Elysium.
Shit guys, I actually like Elysium. It wasn't a great movie and I cannot stand that chopyle guy or whatever his name is but it was more than fair. Chappie on the other hand... I have no desire to watch.
The story for Chappie looks a bit dull but the action scenes look great.
From the trailer I just can't buy the ghetto robot number 5 theme.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:49 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 06, 2015, 05:34:42 AM
Two. Which both suck.
No. One. Chappie isn't out yet. We have no way of knowing for sure, and all things consider it looks to be a better outing than Elysium.
I'll take metacritic over IMDb, given how retarded their users are.
8.4/10·IMDb
20%·Rotten Tomatoes
34%·Metacritic
Yea I always wondered about that. IMDB just generous or is the movie that shitty?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:49 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 06, 2015, 05:34:42 AM
Two. Which both suck.
No. One. Chappie isn't out yet. We have no way of knowing for sure, and all things consider it looks to be a better outing than Elysium.
A fair few reviews are already out.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:49 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 06, 2015, 05:34:42 AM
Two. Which both suck.
No. One. Chappie isn't out yet. We have no way of knowing for sure, and all things consider it looks to be a better outing than Elysium.
I just saw it. It didn't suck. It wasn't a masterpiece, and it wasn't District 9, but it didn't suck whatsoever. Better than the reviews say but.... Look at all the disagreement over this movie that hasn't even come out again. The only thing people agree about is that they want Hicks back. So I want to suggest this again: Is this film really what people want? Or are we maybe holding onto a ship that already sailed, just to get Hicks back?
That said, I expect to like the movie in a --7 out of 10 range and still think Id rather see an improvement over A:R ( 5 stars ) than a diminish-ment of Aliens (9.9). I should say that I give A3 an 8 and Prometheus a 7.
Considering how much he apparently borrowed form other movies in the creation of Chappie, I already know how AV will begin. Ripley, Hicks and Newt with Bishop in tow will walk out of the Sulaco and Ripley will say "We went, we saw, we kicked the Bitches ASS!" Hicks will say "All I do is kill Aliens and Kick Ass; and I'm all out of aliens." Newt will say "mommy, I rather play with the aliens." Bishop will say "I thought killing them was just a suggestion."
So damn predictable. :P
Oh and yea they'll cut straight to Ripley cleaning out Jonesy's litter box.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:34:31 AM
Considering how much he apparently borrowed form other movies in the creation of Chappie, I already know how AV will begin. Ripley, Hicks and Newt with Bishop in tow will walk out of the Sulaco and Ripley will say "We went, we saw, we kicked the Bitches ASS!" Hicks will say "All I do is kill Aliens and Kick Ass; and I'm all out of aliens." Newt will say "mommy, I rather play with the aliens." Bishop will say "I thought killing them was just a suggestion."
So damn predictable. :P
Oh and yea they'll cut straight to Ripley cleaning out Jonesy's litter box.
Ha! I actually have to say - I think his film CHAPPIE did a great job of avoiding action-film dialogue.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 07:00:12 AM
8.4/10·IMDb
20%·Rotten Tomatoes
34%·Metacritic
Yea I always wondered about that. IMDB just generous or is the movie that shitty?
IMDb had
The Dark Knight higher than
The Godfather at one point. If both that and
Marco Polo's ratings are anything to go by, I'd say that IMDb is a mixture of generosity and mental disability.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:34:31 AM
Considering how much he apparently borrowed form other movies in the creation of Chappie, I already know how AV will begin. Ripley, Hicks and Newt with Bishop in tow will walk out of the Sulaco and Ripley will say "We went, we saw, we kicked the Bitches ASS!" Hicks will say "All I do is kill Aliens and Kick Ass; and I'm all out of aliens." Newt will say "mommy, I rather play with the aliens." Bishop will say "I thought killing them was just a suggestion."
So damn predictable. :P
Oh and yea they'll cut straight to Ripley cleaning out Jonesy's litter box.
Made me giggle a little :)
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:49 AM
No. One. Chappie isn't out yet. We have no way of knowing for sure, and all things consider it looks to be a better outing than Elysium.
Actually it's out today. ;) Went to an early screening yesterday (thoughts here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=47528.msg2047999#msg2047999)).
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 05:51:32 AM
Chappie currently is sitting at 33% rotten, according to rotten tomatoes... I'll see it this weekend and make up my own mind but that's not exactly encouraging.
Definitely go in with an open mind. If you're a fan of Blomkamp's usual style you're bound to like it in some capacity.
James Cameron made The Terminator and Pirahna Part 2 before he made Aliens. One of those films was pretty forgettable. Blomkamp's record to date seems to be similar to Cameron's right around the same time gave him an Alien sequel to write/direct.
Quote from: Ash 937 on Mar 06, 2015, 10:38:07 PM
James Cameron made Pirahna Part 2 and later The Terminator before he made Aliens. One of those films was pretty forgettable. Blomkamp's record to date seems to be similar to Cameron's right around the same time gave him an Alien sequel to write/direct.
Fixed, also: Cameron didn't have as much involvement with
Pirahna Part 2 (and he and other heads fought constantly)as he did later on when he wrote and directed
The Terminator. Not really indicative of his success, to be frank, nor a really accurate model for comparison.
One bad film doesn't mean bad director, nothing is simple with film productions and a lot of great directors have got one bad spot on their record, Tim burton for example, Dark Shadows wasn't exactly the best film. I like the film for what it is but the flaws are evident.
With the amount of films he has under his belt too.
You just never know with art really.
or the studios.
I hope Neill's vision for a new Alien film is grounded in reality, Resurrection was over the top and contrasts with the previous gritty films, if Neill truly intends to make a sequel to Aliens, he needs to keep the gritty tone correct, even Cameron made sure to follow Ridley style to an extent while also leaving his own signature.
Yup, it's essential.
As he has gone on record saying that his film is going to "share DNA" with both Scott and Cameron's films, I'm definitely expecting it to tonally mesh with the two.
Quote from: evolution_rex on Mar 06, 2015, 12:16:38 AM
Based on writer's view on ghosbusters fans and their opinion on the new reboot alone, I can't take what the article says seriously.
Same. There are good reasons to dislike where the '
Ghostbusters' series is heading, which have absolutely nothing to do with one of the two new films being a primarily female cast (although, why they didn't opt for some actresses renowned for better comedy timing, is beyond me). Mainly the leaked E-mails about them from Sony.
I'd also take exception to what's said about the '
Star Wars' films, as someone whose favourite happens to be '
Return Of The Jedi', so...
With this project, it's a whole different kettle of fish. It should be neither praised
or criticised until something much more concrete is known about it.
So far, all we have is a small amount of concept art and some loose quotes. The former happens to show Hicks being a part of the story (although, we have yet to know in what capacity), while the latter has
twice referenced a need to go back to 'Giger Freudian terror' (which is damned good to hear being mentioned).
In fact, all we know for sure is that the writer/director is deliberately trying to aim for the atmosphere of '
Alien Isolation'.
Ermmm.... A few people disagreeing with what the article says are DOING exactly what the article is saying they are doing, and citing that as a disagreement?
The point is: There is no way to satisfy these fans. You can't disagree with by saying, "No that's wrong; because here's why I'm disatisfied."