UpdateFox responds to rumours by releasing the official synopsis:
QuoteA Fox rep told us the above synopsis is not real at all, and described it as "way off." And they provided us with the following official synopsis:
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery.
Original PostAccording to IO9 this could be the plot for Prometheus: http://io9.com/5816884/ (http://io9.com/5816884/).
The synopsis has been sent to several news sites apparently. So take it with a pinch of salt.
QuoteEarth. year 2058.
Archaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys) These "Alien Gods" also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien God's home-world, to Paradise. Months later the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship PROMETHEUS and his crew, into deep space to make first contact. Thanks to faster than light travel a few years later the PROMETHEUS enters the Zeta Riticuli star system. Humans are greeted by their makers, then transported further into space to a scary yet fascinating world. The Alien Gods are proud of their "children", their first creation to reach such levels of intelligence.
As a reward they share bits of their astonishing bio-based technologies with the humans. But for one crew member of the Prometheus it's not enough. In a treacherous act he steals the "bio-source code" to Terraforming, a technology at the origin of all Gods' power, that could make humans equal to the gods. The Alien Gods may be scientists but are also ruthless conquerors, destroyers of worlds who will not accept humans as equals. They unleash on the escaping human crew their favorite bio-weapon, a creature used to "clean up" worlds before colonization. But something goes wrong in the process and humans manage to turn the bio-weapon against their makers. Giving birth to a smarter, nastier, bigger breed of gut eating creatures.
Creatures that will be the demise of Paradise. What's left of the Prometheus crew manages to escape the doomed planet.
On their trail a survivor Alien God in very familiar ship with one ultimate mission.
Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth.
.....
I can dig it.
I don't know. Feels too much like a synopsis that someone could slap together with the information we already have. Terraforming Jockeys and the Prometheus myth, stir until feasible. Too easy.
I certainly hope they're planning a bigger curveball than this.
Love It!!!
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 30, 2011, 12:39:56 AM
I don't know. Feels too much like a synopsis that someone could slap together with the information we already have. Terraforming Jockeys and the Prometheus myth, stir until feasible. Too easy.
I certainly hope they're planning a bigger curveball than this.
Every word.
sounding like the opening episode to macross.
im agreeing with what sticks said. And the timing is a little coincidental, right after it was confirmed the ship in the movie will be called Prometheus.
"Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth."
gawd this line sounds so f**king cheesy.
The thing I can't quite wrap my head around, is that for your general movie going Sci-fi fan, that's the equivalent of watching Avatar and then Darth Vader suddenly showing up at the end for a WTF moment.
I mean, your sitting through this incredibly thought provoking piece for 2 hours and at the end those little nasty feckers from AVPR you watched on FOX last week because nothing else was on, are suddenly responsible for the ending of the entire movie?
It's not going to work is it?
Sounds like a great plot, but not for a film in the Alien franchise. Sorry, guys.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 30, 2011, 01:25:38 AM
Sounds like a great plot, but not for a film in the Alien franchise. Sorry, guys.
If you loved AVPR I'm sure you'll like this.
I'm still getting my head around the idea that the Aliens are creations of the space jockeys and are not naturally created. Then again according to this, humans weren't naturally created, either. Maybe Predators were jockey creations as well only they never found the jockey homeworld. If all this were the case, then I guess I can dig it. ;D
what would we do without you px.
I kinda doubt this is the actual plot; it sounds too closely related to the Alien franchise. I really don't see why Ridley would need to rename the film to include these changes; there are Aliens and they seem to be a relatively important part of the film.
I really hope that year is a typo.
I REALLY HOPE SO.
I really like it! but then again, it is a rumor so I am trying to get no excitement at all.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 30, 2011, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 30, 2011, 12:39:56 AM
I don't know. Feels too much like a synopsis that someone could slap together with the information we already have. Terraforming Jockeys and the Prometheus myth, stir until feasible. Too easy.
I certainly hope they're planning a bigger curveball than this.
Every word.
Agreed. My thoughts exactly. I pieced something vaguely similar together myself while reading all this info. There are some things that sound right but overall it's pretty weak.
Please be fake please be fake nope nope NOPE
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 30, 2011, 02:16:47 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 30, 2011, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jun 30, 2011, 12:39:56 AM
I don't know. Feels too much like a synopsis that someone could slap together with the information we already have. Terraforming Jockeys and the Prometheus myth, stir until feasible. Too easy.
I certainly hope they're planning a bigger curveball than this.
Every word.
Agreed. My thoughts exactly. I pieced something vaguely similar together myself while reading all this info. There are some things that sound right but overall it's pretty weak.
what do you mean by weak? I think its many things, but not weak.
What about this synopsis is bad? I don't understand.
That most of us could think it up in our sleep, for one thing.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 30, 2011, 02:50:22 AM
What about this synopsis is bad? I don't understand.
The fact that we can be introduced to our makers, steal their tech and watch it all crumble into a slasher fest within 2 hours...
That's a start... :D
Quote from: Highland on Jun 30, 2011, 03:26:18 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 30, 2011, 02:50:22 AM
What about this synopsis is bad? I don't understand.
The fact that we can be introduced to our makers, steal their tech and watch it all crumble into a slasher fest within 2 hours...
That's a start... :D
:o
it could still work in that way.. I am sure of it.
Quote from: Highland on Jun 30, 2011, 03:26:18 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 30, 2011, 02:50:22 AM
What about this synopsis is bad? I don't understand.
The fact that we can be introduced to our makers, steal their tech and watch it all crumble into a slasher fest within 2 hours...
That's a start... :D
Ill tell you something else I dont like about it. I realize Scott said it's not a small film but this is the further extreme. It sounds massive. Too massive. And I don't like that they find this on Earth, in Africa.
An even bigger problem I have with it, is the way it re contextualizes the Company's interest in obtaining the Alien, insinuating that they've had all this prior knowledge and contact and that it may be our tinkering with the aliens dna that made the alien...it's just too much and too far from home and then also obvious at times, I think. Too expansive for a prequel and I also dont see whats so unsettling and scary. Hopefully if there's any semblance to it at all, there's been some bigger ideas left out. Also, in order to work right, that sounds like it needs to be 3.5 hours long. Which, is fine with me but doubtful.
Very true, I just keep having flash back's about flash backs.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Jun 30, 2011, 01:33:11 AM
what would we do without you px.
I dunno, dance around singing Fah Who Foraze like a bunch of Whobag-limp-dick-faggots?
If this is the plot, I don't want to live in this franchise anymore /Farnsworth.
Sounds nice,
and imagine the scenes we will see.
Bet the one who will steel is Michael Fassbender or Guy Pearce.
I received this at my site from the same source late last night, even though he assured me I was the only one he sent it to... in terms of an indication of his reliabilty, you can make of that what you will...
Anyway, I asked him to provide some proof of who he was and his connection to the film etc.
He said he had no direct connection, but knew someone who knew someone who works at a production company that has handles location work. So, a bit vague, but the company he named does exist and has worked on previous Scott films. This could indicate a location standing in for an African archeological dig.
In the end I decided against positng it, because, as stated, it uses a lot of what is already 'known' about the plot, and a few minor points aside, there's nothing really 'new'.
Is it genuine? Who knows...
Personally, I quite like it - there is certainly something of a grand scale about it. It has enough of the 'Alien DNA' to be familiar, while expanding the world to make something potentially epic. If this is IS the real deal, then I'm looking forward to seeing it.
I guess we'll find out when the official plot synopsis is released..
i don't like the timeline.50 years from now spaceships with faster than light capability.with a android on board?lol this is just the sum of all the spoilers we gotten so far .
also terraforming the planet for us?lol earth was perfectly habitable for humans even in the time of the dinosaurs and even after that.doesn't make sense.
also he says humans find the coordinates to the space jockey homeworld-paradise,but then they go to the zeta reticuli system where they find the jockeys?and they are the ones who take them to -paradise?
this is definetely fan fiction
Yep the whole starting at zeta reticuli, seems a little fishy.
I swear to myself ...I will not read any plot spoiler about this movie! ;D
Hopefully this was sent by a studio plant on a disinformation campaign.
Quote from: JaaayDee on Jun 30, 2011, 03:55:48 PM
Hopefully this was sent by a studio plant on a disinformation campaign.
here here
Firstly There is ZERO place on this forum or anywhere else for that "limp-dick-faggot" comment. Period.
That said...the way we read the synopsis probably won't be the way the film plays out. We should always give Ridley the benefit of a doubt...although he's had some stinkers in the last few years.
QuoteArchaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys) These "Alien Gods" also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien God's home-world, to Paradise. Months later the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship PROMETHEUS and his crew, into deep space to make first contact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrW4jkQdmjI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrW4jkQdmjI#)
'Prometheus and his crew?" what the Fu€k is that about? Who is 'his?'
Hmm,i dig some of the ideas but not all of them,im not convinced its legit though
Time will tell i supppose
I guess this fan fiction regards Prometheus as a spaceship controlled by a giant head
The plot sounds like the origin of the Xenos. I think the plot sounds cool and I don't see why people are being so picky about it?
I must admit, as a general Sci-fi story it does interest me. I'd only be concerned with how the Xenomorphs would be portrayed if it was genuine.
Something just occurred to me that could give this so called 'synopsis leak' some credibility, in relation to the other alleged leaked fact about a younger version of Elizabeth Shaw being cast...
The synopsis specifically states 2058 as the date of archaeological findings in Africa that reveal the 'Gods' homeworld coordinates. Maybe thats when we will see a young Elizabeth Shaw at the dig site with nutty professor 'daddy' Shaw who uncovers the discovery? Daddy Shaw becomes sick and dies, Tutankhamun-curse style. Elizabeth becomes obsessed and continues with her father's work, grows older, and gets the gig on the Prometheus trip.
Flash forward 27 years and we arrive at 2085 (the date specifically mentioned by Ridley) where an older Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi) accompanied by some marines wake up from hypersleep after a long journey aboard the starship Prometheus to make contact. Presumably the interstellar starship would have taken several years to construct plus the journey time may be 5+ years.
Make any sense?!
It doesn't sound shabby at all except for a few little things. I really don't like the whole 'Jockeys created us' thing. It's like ooh ahh whatever. I don't want this film to have that omg magical journey into space feel. I want it to be cold and terrifying like Alien.
The promise of seeing the prototype xenos definetly interests me though. It's always made sense to me that the Jockeys created them, just look at the design of thier ship.
Apparently joblo.com contacted Fox about the rumoured plot:
QuoteTake this w/ a grain of salt but Fox says that supposed "Prometheus" synopsis is "way off"...
http://twitter.com/#!/joblocom/status/86585649142046720 (http://twitter.com/#!/joblocom/status/86585649142046720)
I'm hearing contradicting rumblings too, likely due to the synopsis being built out of previous reports.
Thank goodness.
Quote from: 180924609 on Jun 30, 2011, 11:47:07 PM
Something just occurred to me that could give this so called 'synopsis leak' some credibility, in relation to the other alleged leaked fact about a younger version of Elizabeth Shaw being cast...
The synopsis specifically states 2058 as the date of archaeological findings in Africa that reveal the 'Gods' homeworld coordinates. Maybe thats when we will see a young Elizabeth Shaw at the dig site with nutty professor 'daddy' Shaw who uncovers the discovery? Daddy Shaw becomes sick and dies, Tutankhamun-curse style. Elizabeth becomes obsessed and continues with her father's work, grows older, and gets the gig on the Prometheus trip.
Flash forward 27 years and we arrive at 2085 (the date specifically mentioned by Ridley) where an older Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi) accompanied by some marines wake up from hypersleep after a long journey aboard the starship Prometheus to make contact. Presumably the interstellar starship would have taken several years to construct plus the journey time may be 5+ years.
Make any sense?!
I like this more than anything from the actual plot synopsis.
With Scott at the helm I think this could work well.
Marines?... :(
Quote from: Darkoo on Jun 30, 2011, 07:22:16 PM
QuoteArchaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys) These "Alien Gods" also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations. Amongst finds are coordinates to the Alien God's home-world, to Paradise. Months later the Weyland Corp launch the spaceship PROMETHEUS and his crew, into deep space to make first contact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrW4jkQdmjI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrW4jkQdmjI#)
Where did this cartoon come from?
EDIT: Ah I see now. Its friggin identical. That synopsis, cant be real. Unless they bought the rights. This actually work in the game and I especially liked the music. If the story takes place within that frame, I suppose and they dont waste time on Earthbut I still dont like that synopsis.
homeworld
Fox got in touch with IO9 and stated the following:
QuoteA Fox rep told us the above synopsis is not real at all, and described it as "way off." And they provided us with the following official synopsis:
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery.
haha that tells us nothing awesome.
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 01, 2011, 02:21:10 AM
Fox got in touch with IO9 and stated the following:
QuoteA Fox rep told us the above synopsis is not real at all, and described it as "way off." And they provided us with the following official synopsis:
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery.
All together now:
SSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGHHHHHH.
aaand relax.
That's much better.
Somewhat comforting.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jul 01, 2011, 02:49:54 AM
Somewhat comforting.
I like the part about testing physical and mental limits, and the idea of them being marooned.
I still don't understand what was so bad about the plot? Sound similar to the Alien prequel that we where going to get?
So basically it takes place in space. CONFIRMED!
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 01, 2011, 02:21:10 AM
Fox got in touch with IO9 and stated the following:
QuoteA Fox rep told us the above synopsis is not real at all, and described it as "way off." And they provided us with the following official synopsis:
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery.
"way off"? IMO is pretty much the same thing ;D
Doesn't sound like the same thing to me - sounds more like someone just patched a generic sci-fi plot together based on what Scott handed us starving fans billions of months ago; the probably fake leaky draft sounds kind of cheezy to me... For once I'm trusting the absolutely wounderful people at FOX on this time (I know, Ikonw - wishful thinking)
Quote from: Tribal on Jul 01, 2011, 04:41:59 AM
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 01, 2011, 02:21:10 AM
Fox got in touch with IO9 and stated the following:
QuoteA Fox rep told us the above synopsis is not real at all, and described it as "way off." And they provided us with the following official synopsis:
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery.
"way off"? IMO is pretty much the same thing ;D
If that sypnosis were true then FOX would have had it taken down by now.
Quote from: ikarop on Jul 01, 2011, 02:21:10 AM
Fox got in touch with IO9 and stated the following:
QuoteA Fox rep told us the above synopsis is not real at all, and described it as "way off." And they provided us with the following official synopsis:
Visionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery.
IMO, the fake synopsis sounded much more interesting then this. Although this does also sound like it could be just the same story as the fake with all of the details just cut out of it.
So it's Sunshine mixed with Mission to Mars ....with a Space Jockey.
Generalizations mixed with generalizations.
I really like the plot. It seems very intriguing.
Desolate sci-fi, I like the ring of that.
But, the entire Jockey involvement is reeking of wonky-ness...kind of hard to say without anything solid.
Ben Foster, a solid choice in my opinion. Loved him in Hostage and Pandorum.
Is Prometheus going to be "Lost" in space?
The official Fox one there could easily apply to a rewrite of Shadow 19, so that might be more of a concrete thing now.
That said, it could also apply to pretty much every other sci-fi film featuring an alien planet ever, so yeah!
I really did not like Pandorum or Ben Foster's part as Angel in the X-Men movie. Or Alpha Dog.
Here's the guy's excuse who made up story.
QuoteHi everyone,
i me the guy who wrote the detailed outline.
It was written just for me, trying to make sense of what we know so far of the movie.
I posted it on my facebook wall (sorry can't give a link to it as it could bring some bad publicity as i'm working as an artist, in an non english speaking country, and it might scare potential clients) somebody took it and sent it to IO9 and a few other Movie News site.
i'm working on finding who since my wall is locked to friends only.
Major part of my text were deleted, especially the title "Ridley Scott's PROMETHEUS my detailed possible outline" and my take on the ending.
i didn't come clean before because, i tought it would be debunked very fast by offcial and also because i was kinda scared of how it spread so fast over the web. I was also scared that i might be right and spoiled the actual movie story.
I do like what i wrote and hope that the movie will be as epic, but more twisted, less easy than my take.
I know that it created buzz for the movie, people want to know more, wich could be good for Ridley and his crew.
Hope i have not upset too many people.
http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/06/prometheus-synopsis-leaked.html#comments (http://www.alienprequelnews.com/2011/06/prometheus-synopsis-leaked.html#comments)
Quotemy detailed possible outline
Quotepossible outline
Yeah, he wrote fan fiction.
hmmm too many good and famous actors....they will be all killed off? :-\ I hope so and that its not will be another adventure movie but a horror.
QuoteArchaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys) These "Alien Gods" also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations.
Prometheus, introducing
SEHNTOLOGEE
In the Alien series!
Thank God it is 'way off'.
Not sure what to make of the official plot, other than it doesn't sound like an Alien film at all.
QuoteVisionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions to life's ultimate mystery and along the way will be promptly chased by an Alien.
Sound better for you?
missed the latter half of that last line. Wasn't on the front page ???
JaaayDee edited it so it could be an Alien film that you wanted, you didn't miss anything at all.
That JaayDee.
QuoteVisionary filmmaker Ridley Scott returns to the genre he helped define, creating an original science fiction epic set in the most dangerous corners of the universe. The film takes a team of scientists and explorers on a thrilling journey that will test their physical and mental limits and strand them on a distant world, where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions to life's ultimate mystery.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 01, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
QuoteArchaeological digs in Africa reveal alien artifacts that humans were genetically engineered by a advanced alien race (space jockeys) These "Alien Gods" also terraformed Earth in order to make it habitable for their human creations.
Prometheus, introducing
SEHNTOLOGEE
In the Alien series!
Thank God it is 'way off'.
Waaaaaayyyyyy offfffffffffffffff!!!!!!
Sure it is FOX,sure it is. ;)
Here´s my Synopsis:
Archaeological ancient alien finds + Space Jockey World coordinates + Prometheus travels to Paradise + Humans encounter Space Jockeys + Something goes wrong + Aliens + all hell brakes loose = PROMETHEUS
And there you have it folks! ;D
What does an Alien film sound like? Quite frankly the further away from the formula of ALIEN Ridley and Co. Get, the better this film will be.
Also...that chap who posted the synopsis said it was written for him and then he wrote possible outline that I wrote. Which is it?
So..Prometheus is set in the same universe as Alien but the action in it is unrelated to that of the franchise.
WHATEVER R.Scott is doing...he knows exactly what YOU like even before you realise it.
It'll be interesting to see if the crash will be the final scene in the movie.
It would make some kind of sense, if we stole the tech, jockey's send the doomsday machine, everyone die's.
Quote from: Highland on Jul 01, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the crash will be the final scene in the movie.
It would make some kind of sense, if we stole the tech, jockey's send the doomsday machine, everyone die's.
i think its likely the first scene
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 01, 2011, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jul 01, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the crash will be the final scene in the movie.
It would make some kind of sense, if we stole the tech, jockey's send the doomsday machine, everyone die's.
i think its likely the first scene
As a flash back? or an intro? Which way would it work as an intro?
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 01, 2011, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jul 01, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the crash will be the final scene in the movie.
It would make some kind of sense, if we stole the tech, jockey's send the doomsday machine, everyone die's.
i think its likely the first scene
If it's a prequel to Alien, why would they put such a significant moment at the beginning?
where they will discover the answers to our most profound questions to life's ultimate mystery.
What's life's ultimate mystery?
All this secret of life stuff has me worried.
They finally discover the Question to which the answer is 42?
If Ridley cracks out the mediclorians, I'll be pissed.......again. :P
Quote from: Highland on Jul 01, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the crash will be the final scene in the movie.
It would make some kind of sense, if we stole the tech, jockey's send the doomsday machine, everyone die's.
Yeah I was thinking that. And we see the pilot live and well ;D berfore it dies. :'(
It could even show a clip from the opening of "Alien".
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 02, 2011, 04:17:34 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 01, 2011, 11:04:01 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jul 01, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see if the crash will be the final scene in the movie.
It would make some kind of sense, if we stole the tech, jockey's send the doomsday machine, everyone die's.
i think its likely the first scene
If it's a prequel to Alien, why would they put such a significant moment at the beginning?
A while back one of the effects guys tweeted that he was working on the ALIEN PREQUEL. He said that the first scene would blow people away, and that audiences have been waiting to see it for over 25 years.
I mean, I could be wrong, but that sounds like the DERELICT crash to me.
It would make sense that the first scene details the crash of the derelict as opposed to the last scene. This is the dawn of a new franchise. A crash at the end would only setup ALIEN...and that's not what this film is doing. This film will ultimately set up another film in the same universe unrelated to Ripleys journey.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jul 02, 2011, 09:21:46 PM
It would make sense that the first scene details the crash of the derelict as opposed to the last scene. This is the dawn of a new franchise. A crash at the end would only setup ALIEN...and that's not what this film is doing. This film will ultimately set up another film in the same universe unrelated to Ripleys journey.
I see where you guy's are going with it, but it's treading in Phantom Menace waters there.
I don't see how you can use the galaxy established over 20 years, then disregard everything in it.
QuoteThis film will ultimately set up another film in the same universe unrelated to Ripleys journey
Then why bother whith the ship at all?
Quote from: Highland on Jul 02, 2011, 10:29:55 PM
I see where you guy's are going with it, but it's treading in Phantom Menace waters there.
I don't see how you can use the galaxy established over 20 years, then disregard everything in it.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pr0gramm.com%2Fdata%2Fimages%2F2011%2F05%2Fedward-norton-closing-laptop.gif&hash=419b86044a2d9ebfce99fcb5eb345c043ab0ca60)
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jul 02, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jul 02, 2011, 10:29:55 PM
I see where you guy's are going with it, but it's treading in Phantom Menace waters there.
I don't see how you can use the galaxy established over 20 years, then disregard everything in it.
http://www.pr0gramm.com/data/images/2011/05/edward-norton-closing-laptop.gif
This, this, so much this.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jul 02, 2011, 10:36:55 PM
Quote from: Highland on Jul 02, 2011, 10:29:55 PM
I see where you guy's are going with it, but it's treading in Phantom Menace waters there.
I don't see how you can use the galaxy established over 20 years, then disregard everything in it.
http://www.pr0gramm.com/data/images/2011/05/edward-norton-closing-laptop.gif
I'm not even sure I understand what your trying to say? Either that or you don't understand my post?
This is quite simply....the story about the Derelict and The Companys interest in whatever is out there....thats why the ship is featured. There was a story going on before Ripleys and Co. arrived. This is that story.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jul 02, 2011, 11:21:46 PM
This is quite simply....the story about the Derelict and The Companys interest in whatever is out there....thats why the ship is featured. There was a story going on before Ripleys and Co. arrived. This is that story.
Speculation. We have no idea what links this movie to the Alien franchise. Obviously there's a 99% chance it's the same ship.
If your saying The Company knew about the Derelict, people have had that debate before, it doesn't end up pretty ... :P
The more I think about it, there isn't really any need for the crash scene at all.
Debate? Why is this even a debate. Ash was put on the Nostromo just before they left, and the way Ash acted it seemed pretty obvious that some one knew something before the Nostromo landed on that planet.
So in going on that.
" to discover the answers to our most profound questions and to life's ultimate mystery"
They stuck Ash, on a floating Oil Rig, to pick it up on the way back from work.
Not buying it. :)
That was written like a two year old. I wouldn't buy it either.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jul 03, 2011, 02:18:40 AM
That was written like a two year old. I wouldn't buy it either.
That's from the official plot synopsis though ;)
I'm just pointing out that it's possibly got serious plot and timeline issue's if he's linking it with the Derelict. I could be wrong, it might all mesh together perfectly.
But putting the crash at the start, makes no sense to me at all.
maybe the only connection in THIS prometheus movie will be the space jockeys and a version of the alien. they might consider making the connection storywise (crash of the sj's ship) in a potential sequel to prometheus - or not at all...
"They stuck Ash, on a floating Oil Rig, to pick it up on the way back from work. " was written like a two year old.
And if it's up for debate then it's a distinct possibility.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jul 03, 2011, 05:19:36 AM
"They stuck Ash, on a floating Oil Rig, to pick it up on the way back from work. " was written like a two year old.
And if it's up for debate then it's a distinct possibility.
It must be my dry wit that's got your knickers in a twist.
Your implying that Ash knows about the Alien through the events of Prometheus?
Quote from: Highland on Jul 03, 2011, 06:06:23 AM
Your implying that Ash knows about the Alien through the events of Prometheus?
According to Scott, nobody knows about
the Alien, but they know about
an alien.
'I think any corporation that sends probes into unknown territory is going to think of the possibility of finding something new. I'm sure that the crew members on all its ships would have been briefed to bring back anything of interest. It would be part of one's job to bring it back. An alien, of course, would be of top priority. This particular corporation didn't have a preconceived notion that an alien would be found on this mission, much less the particular alien that is brought onto the ship. The idea of bringing it back alive would not have been on the minds of the corporate executives when they first received the alien transmission. They just had high expectations when they ordered the Nostromo to investigate - it was purely out of curiousity.'
Has anyone seen the other plot synopsis? On worstpreviews.com......ide post the link itsself but I'm on my phone so I can't but it says
*Spoilers*
Humans find out we were made by spacejockeys and we find coordinates to their homeworld this ship is called "prometheus" when we get there the space jockies are happy to see us and give us tech but some dumb human abuses this and steals terraforming tech so the space jockies unlesh a deadly enemy I'm guessing the alien....that's it summed up
Quote from: Joe117 on Jul 03, 2011, 12:29:34 PM
Has anyone seen the other plot synopsis? On worstpreviews.com......ide post the link itsself but I'm on my phone so I can't but it says
Humans find out we were made by spacejockeys and we find coordinates to their homeworld this ship is called "prometheus" when we get there the space jockies are happy to see us and give us tech but some dumb human abuses this and steals terraforming tech so the space jockies unlesh a deadly enemy I'm guessing the alien....that's it summed up
Heard it. It's fake.
Ok thanks I kinda liked the idea but it happens thanks for clearin it up
So, looking over things, I see there is some alarm over the year the film is set in. The following is going off info that may not be seen as canon by some, so excuse me for that;
The alien timeline from various sources places Ripley being born on 2092 and the film Prometheus has been said by Scott himself to be thirty years before Ripley - that would place things at 2062.
I dont like the idea of faster than light travel either, but with Scott saying time dilation will feature, one would think near or STL will be involved in some capacity - saying that Avatar did space travel quite realistically for a scifi blockbuster. We also know nothing about Prometheus as a ship so far.
Hopefully when someone mentions a planet is a certain number of light years away, it will take the same number of years to travel that way - at least. If the world is 20 light years away - it best not take sooner than that (20 yrs) to reach it. Time dilation will keep the actors from physically aging if the dilation effect and distance travelled is totalled by someone who at least finds the Space Math Resources for Science Fiction Writers site.
Also I get a feeling, just from reading this new info, that if the Company and humanity would have had no idea of the alien in Alien, then possibly the Prometheus reached the planet by accident, say the ship got damaged and it gets pulled into the gravitational pull and orbit of the Jockey's world as its hopelessly drifting...
I think thats all I wanted to say here, I'm still new so thanks for reading. Comments welcome.
Ridley Scott said 2085, and it was before the events of ALIEN (which takes place in 2122), not Ripley in particular. The only explanation of a date that early is with young Elizabeth Shaw. See this post (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=39352.msg1145442#msg1145442) to see what I mean.
There's always the possibility that what they find is Prometheus or the instructions on how to build it.
(Contact - Jodie Foster)
I have read a little known manga called 2001 nights recently, it harks back to the old hard scifi of Clarke and Asimov. Anyway, a certain chapter got me thinking about Prometheus;
We can expect the ship is going to travel a distance enough for time dilation to play a part, so I expect the ship may fly for years. Now a ship going for years with a crew needs alot of supplies. This is where you mileage may vary on matters;
Say the Prometheus is sent out as an exploration vessel, it is piloted and crewed by automated systems (androids?).
The actual people who will venture on new worlds are kept as donor eggs and sperm. These are then made into test tube babies once a planet is reached in orbit.
The android systems act as parents until the children are old enough to venture down to the planet. Very little resources will be needed, as the planet will be expected to sustain the humans when they go dirt-side.
I dont think this will happen in its entirety though! :D It does explain a younger Shaw, if that is a true rumour, but how would time dilution be included in such a thing, unless the children are raised mid-trip, in a journey that may take from Earth POV more decades than a human could be useful as a crewmember.
Time dilation in the film will probably just justify the ship taking a long journey (of decades) whilst barely aging the crew and not turning it into a generation ship (as in the children of the original crew inherit the jobs of the old), mainly to the above post I have written about the ship supposed to be moving STL and planets that would feasibly hold extra-system alien races being more than a couple of tens of light years away.
Something to remember also, the Zeta-Reticuli binary system in RL lies about 12 light years away from Earth. Something to ponder on...
Cannot wait to see more of this.
Quote from: harlock on Jul 03, 2011, 10:56:55 PM
The actual people who will venture on new worlds are kept as donor eggs and sperm. These are then made into test tube babies once a planet is reached in orbit.
The android systems act as parents until the children are old enough to venture down to the planet. Very little resources will be needed, as the planet will be expected to sustain the humans when they go dirt-side.
Nice little theory, I might pick that manga up.
There would still be a discrepancy between those events and the ones in Alien 30 years later though. :(
2001 nights is a rare gem, there are eight volumes overall, the first few and last being the best. A google may let you know how to get hold of it.
I'll say how they can avoid a discrepancy about whether the Company knew about aliens before hand; the crew run up to the planet by pure incident... this could be from accidental damage leading to course-change to drifting until they reach it, communication not reaching the distance, theres quite a few ways for a ship to get out that far without comms reaching Earth with their destination.
This of course would mean the crew never get back to Earth or a report made never reaches Earth. Broken comms, busted ship seems most likely, or there are no survivors - I'll go with the first as it leaves room for sequels ::)
As an aside, heres an interesting point about Time Dilation, I ran some numbers using this website;
http://www.cthreepo.com/lab/math1.shtml (http://www.cthreepo.com/lab/math1.shtml)
Using the Long Relativistic Journeys calculator, setting a distance of 12 light years (to Zeta-Reticuli from Earth), if accelerating at 10Gs, time dilation makes the crew age 0.9 years in the space of the 12.2 year trip.
I think thats manageable for a film to keep the crew looking the same roughly as before and after a trip. This would also mean that the crew need to be kept in Event-Horizon style Grav-Couches (note - theyre not cryogenics!!) for the trip.
I'm not sure what this means for the ship - acceleration at 98.1metres per second is crazy fast and the ship would need to be light and carry alot of fuel - but if the Prometheus will be a Jockey-ship, I'm willing to suspend disbelief :)
Quote from: harlock on Jul 04, 2011, 11:35:06 PM
2001 nights is a rare gem, there are eight volumes overall, the first few and last being the best. A google may let you know how to get hold of it.
I'll say how they can avoid a discrepancy about whether the Company knew about aliens before hand; the crew run up to the planet by pure incident... this could be from accidental damage leading to course-change to drifting until they reach it, communication not reaching the distance, theres quite a few ways for a ship to get out that far without comms reaching Earth with their destination.
This of course would mean the crew never get back to Earth or a report made never reaches Earth. Broken comms, busted ship seems most likely, or there are no survivors - I'll go with the first as it leaves room for sequels ::)
As an aside, heres an interesting point about Time Dilation, I ran some numbers using this website;
http://www.cthreepo.com/lab/math1.shtml (http://www.cthreepo.com/lab/math1.shtml)
Using the Long Relativistic Journeys calculator, setting a distance of 12 light years (to Zeta-Reticuli from Earth), if accelerating at 10Gs, time dilation makes the crew age 0.9 years in the space of the 12.2 year trip.
I think thats manageable for a film to keep the crew looking the same roughly as before and after a trip. This would also mean that the crew need to be kept in Event-Horizon style Grav-Couches (note - theyre not cryogenics!!) for the trip.
I'm not sure what this means for the ship - acceleration at 98.1metres per second is crazy fast and the ship would need to be light and carry alot of fuel - but if the Prometheus will be a Jockey-ship, I'm willing to suspend disbelief :)
Well, then prepare yourself to suspend disbelief. Do you have any conception of how much energy it would take to CONTINUOUSLY accelerate a multi-ton spacecraft at 10G's for approximately a year? Forget about the fact that one would have to deccelerate the spacecraft at same rate, roughly half-way through the journey, in order to achieve closed orbit within target interstellar system.
The required energy output is WELL beyond the means of any current or postulated technology, even given the hypothesized accelerated advancement in state-of-the-art physics and technology.
I'm sure they'll implement so sort of energy deus ex machina to describe it.
Quote from: Pn2501 on Jul 05, 2011, 03:17:24 AM
I'm sure they'll implement so sort of energy deus ex machina to describe it.
No doubt.
Of course there will be a deux ex machina for the trip to be made, which makes me think the use of Jockey-tech will happen. Also I actually got mixed up on the distance, it is 12 parsecs to Zeta 2 Reticuli, which totals 39 light years.
A similar effect will happen by increasing the Gs of continual thrust to 12. To clarify, I'm talking from a scifi writers point of view - not an "I believe we can do this now" POV. I know we can never achieve something like this with our tech - for a start the amount of fuel would be horrendous, I dont even think we could get a rocket to accelerate that fast - but then with a Jockey-tech Drive on the Prometheus, the viewer can put all that aside.
Also, despite the fact I realise such a thing would be impossible by our technological stand-point, I really dont think they teach PHD Physics in high school ;) Remember the first Alien film had cryobooths and FTL travel among other things which are impossible - if they show in this film though that they are retroteching Jockey-tech into ships, then it doesnt matter anymore.
The Alien series is not a hard scifi series, I just wanted to use a time dilation calculator to show how a trip to LV-426 would work for a crew of actors to not be shown to age significantly on a near 40 year trip from Earth POV.
i also don't think that it has been mentioned that Prometheus is jockey technology, that was only part of the false synopsis that this thread regards.
Quote from: harlock on Jul 05, 2011, 09:45:55 AM
Also, despite the fact I realise such a thing would be impossible by our technological stand-point, I really dont think they teach PHD Physics in high school ;) Remember the first Alien film had cryobooths and FTL travel among other things which are impossible - if they show in this film though that they are retroteching Jockey-tech into ships, then it doesnt matter anymore.
The Alien series is not a hard scifi series, I just wanted to use a time dilation calculator to show how a trip to LV-426 would work for a crew of actors to not be shown to age significantly on a near 40 year trip from Earth POV.
Harlock, sorry if my post came off as smarmy...as that was not intended. I have edited it in order to delete my previous reference to "going back to school" for the advanced physics and relativistic field theory. Your use of the relativistic rocket / calculator was a good idea, and indeed, it does show that (in theory) the trip could be made within the lifetime of both the ship's crew (who would age slower) as well as the inertial observors in Earth's frame of reference. Cheers, and happy 4th.
^ No problem :) Like I said, I realise it couldnt happen, but if it could, thats how it would.
Also Pn2501, I realise that Prometheus may not be Jockey-tech (we dont know either way yet), but to make a theoretical trip for near 40 years at a constant 10G accel/deccel cycle (the amount of fuel needed would be astronomical and theres the point of a set of drives with that acceleration) with a huge spaceship that'll reach near light speed to make the crew age just over 10 months instead of 40 years calls to mind some type of tech we cant build.
This makes me think that although the entire ship may not be a Jockey-ship, the drive tech might be (possibly some advanced gravitic drive will be used that doesnt need remass, just a source to keep it powered up).
like i said earlier the drive technology will probably consist of something that we are yet to discover (dues ex machina). but like you said it could go either way.
The overwhelming logistics of a speed and fuel resources of a craft could surely be overcome
(within the sci-fi realm of course) by jumping to a pre-determined distant planet using a 'wormhole'
rather than FLT? I am currently reading 'The Forever War' and it seems that (comparatively) instantaneous
space travel is the chosen mode in this book.
One potentialy dumb but plausible question has always remained for me concerning FLT - how
is collision with space debris from dust to planet-sized obstacles avoided while travellling at such
unfathomable speeds? This makes the wormhole option even more of a better choice.
Quote from: azrael55 on Jul 03, 2011, 03:32:07 AM
maybe the only connection in THIS prometheus movie will be the space jockeys and a version of the alien. they might consider making the connection storywise (crash of the sj's ship) in a potential sequel to prometheus - or not at all...
This!
It has now been confirmed so many times that the film will take place in t he Alien universe... but it's NOT an Alien film in itself. So I don't know why people are complaining here and saying that a galaxy built for 20 years is being disregarded in this film. It's not, its simply a standalone film that will tie in with the first Alien movie (I still think it will not accept "Aliens", "Alien 3" or "Rez" as canon, it will redefine what we have known so far about xenomorphs. Don't expect "Hive", "Drones", "Queens" etc.)
Scott is using the first Alien film to create something bigger and more meaningful (If anything in that storyline that I just read is true). I can totally understand why he didn't want to make it an Alien movie, because the Xenomorph Alien is just one part of this gigantic universe that he is about to unleash on us.
Quote from: deuterium on Jul 05, 2011, 03:04:19 AM
Well, then prepare yourself to suspend disbelief. Do you have any conception of how much energy it would take to CONTINUOUSLY accelerate a multi-ton spacecraft at 10G's for approximately a year? Forget about the fact that one would have to deccelerate the spacecraft at same rate.
Well the amount of energy would be alot(putting it lightly) but to CONTINUOUSLY accelerate for a year? sorry if i miss understood what you have put but would would you continuously need to accelerate? Once you hit that speed required you don't need to continue to apply that acceleration. There is no resistance in space that would slow the ship down to a hault. The only real issue for speed then would be gravity Plus a multi-ton weighing cargo ship would weight 0 n in space for there would be no conventional gravity to give it a weight
You would accelerate, then at the halfway point (astrogation on ship's computer will total and do this - the crew will be in Grav-couches for the trip) you deccelerate at the same rate. A set of gravity drives in the ship would get rid of the remass problem (you'd still need some fuel to power it -keeping it turned on- though).
We're talking about a level of technology that is very advanced and doesnt work like our currently decommisioned space shuttles did - it would be faster and way more efficient.
I only mention this as this would be how time dilation would factor into the plot in its actual way - and thats if the destination is Zeta 2 Reticuli and the ship doesnt end up drifting to it or whatever planet the ship will land on. As I work out all this hard scifi information, the less I see the film doing something like this - though maybe someone can pick this up for an Alien fanfic, eh?
Sounds like an AVP plot, minus the Predators.
C.R.A.P.
Quote from: Bum Burster on Jul 09, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
Sounds like an AVP plot, minus the Predators.
C.R.A.P.
LOL...agreed. The ENTIRETY of the AvP world quivers with mediocrity.
The lack of hard scifi never really bothered me in the series. It probably isn't going to bother me in Prometheus either. As long as they don't go the space opera route like SW where the universe itself feels completely different I'll be okay.
Just put on the window dressing and make it seem legit.
I would love to see some Erotomechanics..
By the way, does anybody know 'A Strange Hour' by Recoil?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jul 09, 2011, 03:00:40 PM
Quote from: Bum Burster on Jul 09, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
Sounds like an AVP plot, minus the Predators.
C.R.A.P.
LOL...agreed. The ENTIRETY of the AvP world quivers with mediocrity.
Hey now, the first comic, and avp2 PC rocked. It's just all the other avp things which fail abysmally. :laugh:
Quote from: Ktulhut on Jul 09, 2011, 11:33:27 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jul 09, 2011, 03:00:40 PM
Quote from: Bum Burster on Jul 09, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
Sounds like an AVP plot, minus the Predators.
C.R.A.P.
LOL...agreed. The ENTIRETY of the AvP world quivers with mediocrity.
Hey now, the first comic, and avp2 PC rocked. It's just all the other avp things which fail abysmally. :laugh:
don't forget the first avp game - which is still the scariest game to date. less scripts, more random alien encounters :D never finished the marine campaign
Jaguar or AvP 2000?
I like a good chunk of the AvP stuff but despise the movies. Most of the games are good & some of the comics.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
Jaguar or AvP 2000?
avp 2000 :) never had an atari, but the jaguar avp is supposed to be quite scary as well :D
Quote from: azrael55 on Jul 10, 2011, 11:56:28 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
Jaguar or AvP 2000?
avp 2000 :) never had an atari, but the jaguar avp is supposed to be quite scary as well :D
Yeah the control method and map design was a nightmare.
Well i guess it will be a futuristic comedy (they should hire Seth Rogan)...and since it plays in the same universe in the end some drunk teenage guy (Jonah Hill or Michael Cera) will pass LV-426 with his spacecraft and crash into the Derelict.
Quote from: azrael55 on Jul 10, 2011, 03:03:46 AM
Quote from: Ktulhut on Jul 09, 2011, 11:33:27 PM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jul 09, 2011, 03:00:40 PM
Quote from: Bum Burster on Jul 09, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
Sounds like an AVP plot, minus the Predators.
C.R.A.P.
LOL...agreed. The ENTIRETY of the AvP world quivers with mediocrity.
Hey now, the first comic, and avp2 PC rocked. It's just all the other avp things which fail abysmally. :laugh:
don't forget the first avp game - which is still the scariest game to date. less scripts, more random alien encounters :D never finished the marine campaign
That is criminal. It's one of those rare and truly frightening FPSes. Surely, the update with the seven saves helped alleviate tension, but since you didn't know where you were going with those, you would build up a new kind of stress of saving too much too early, or in the wrong spot.
Now, game magazines would whine about such a difficulty, and yet I think it made the solo shine even more.
Still, during the days of no saves, even the merest sight of a facehugger at a level's mid-lenght was really driving me nuts. If that damned thing managed to leap at me (and it made a scary noise btw), I had to restart all. Imagine that, a small piece of crap that instantly kills you. It's vulnerable, but absolutely deadly at the same time. Probably a form of absolute game balance I would have no shame to support in modern games.