Poll: AvP vs AvPR

[Kradan]

https://c.tenor.com/BlQBF2e1iXcAAAAd/predator2-predator.gif

[BlueMarsalis79]

I don't get it.

[Kradan]

The spear

[OmegaZilla]

From what I know, Critters are poor man's Gremlins and I wasn't crazy about Gremlins to begin with

Critters was written before Gremlins was released and even had to undergo some rewrites because Gremlins was too similar. At the core, both are derivates of archetypes established in the 50s and the 60s (Fiend without a Face 1959 is an example; a seminal movie, inspired so many things it's not even funny)

What were the people who voted Requiem smoking?

https://c.tenor.com/BlQBF2e1iXcAAAAd/predator2-predator.gif

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Gilfryd]

Paul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what anyone wants to see, but the first AVP gets points for ambition/scale and simple nostalgia - it can't help but remind me of digging into the Alien Quadrilogy boxset as a kid.

AVPR is just vile and worse than one of those Platinum Dunes/Michael Bay produced horror movie remakes. The fact that this is even tangentially related to a film like Alien is unreal. (I like the scenes of Wolf snooping around though.)

[BlueMarsalis79]

Paul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what anyone wants to see, but the first AVP gets points for ambition/scale and simple nostalgia - it can't help but remind me of digging into the Alien Quadrilogy boxset as a kid.

AVPR is just vile and worse than one of those Platinum Dunes/Michael Bay produced horror movie remakes. The fact that this is even tangentially related to a film like Alien is unreal. (I like the scenes of Wolf snooping around though.)

That's exactly how I feel about them both.

[alexpop]

AVP.. no brainer.

[Kradan]

AVP.. no brainer.

Good choice

[SparkyMularkey]

That first AVP film, while far from perfect, is still a really fun, brain-turned-off, guilty pleasure flick. I think it also did a great job of keeping the Predator culturally relevant, at least. It certainly left an impression on me when I first saw it as a teenager.

I can't really say the same for the sequel, despite how cool Wolf is.

[City Hunter Yautja]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1h3T1hIDd8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-u8EWKloKw

Haha loved this.

[Thatguy2068]

Paul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what everyone want to see

This is pretty much a perfect description of him

[Acid_Reign161]

'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).

As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)

[Thatguy2068]

'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).

As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)

I disagree, it can work for a movie it just have to be does right, the first AvP was ok, but was restricted by the stupid decision to make it a PG-13, and the less said about AvPR the better.

You just need the right people.

[Acid_Reign161]

'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).

As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)

I disagree, it can work for a movie it just have to be does right, the first AvP was ok, but was restricted by the stupid decision to make it a PG-13, and the less said about AvPR the better.

You just need the right people.

It *could* work as a movie, yes... but not in its current format (which I believe will only ever work for comic books and games) - it doesn't matter who you get to direct, how good the budget and writers etc, it will fail as a movie if it tries to emulate the comics and games.

For a movie, I believe they need to completely overhaul the format; it needs to focus on the human characters instead of using them as a plot device to get the two monsters together. I'd say it should switch from the action genre to horror. One Alien, one Predator (no fodder), equally matched, with both having the upper hand or retreating appropriately - to achieve this, I'd strip back the predator tech to be in line with 'Prey'. The humans may not even realise they are dealing with two separate creatures right away. It needs a claustrophobic future setting (Alien universe), and use that setting to play into each creature's strengths. They need to drop the whole 'space velociraptor' depiction of the xeno and make it a smart, calculating intelligent bipedal creature again... and the story has to make more sense than "monsters fight, who will win?"

[SiL]

Action-wise it needs to focus more on hunting and cat-and-mouse chases than up close fights. Knock ''em down wrestling matches don't suit either.

Imagine the last act of Predator but with a Predator in Arnie's position and the Alien in the Predator's position. Stalking, hunting, hiding, each trying to get the advantage over the other.

It would then be much easier to work humans directly into the conflict. Kind of hard to get a person in when your antagonists are locked in a death toll on the floor.