Poll
Question:
Which AvP movie do you like better?
Option 1: AvP
Option 2: AvPR
Before you start voting, i want you to give an HONEST opinion about how you felt about both of the movies and i want you to vote which movie you thought was a better film in terms of quality.
this means acting, visual, script, direction, and etc.
What i mean is what did u think was better movie as a whole.
For those who have not seen the movie please do not vote until you actually see the film.
I am very aware that making threads like this is almost stupid because many of the ppl here on this board probably have joined BECAUSE of the upcomming sequal avpr(which means that there are a lot more fan base towards avpr).
It is safe to say that most (not all) of you people are blind-eyed or deaf and will forcefully enjoy the movie regardless of how bad each of the film was.
i my self thought avp was an "ok" movie when i first saw it. However when i saw it the second time i realized how tedious the movie was. The reason why i felt this was because i couldnt sit through the whole film when i saw it the second time.
Usually if a movie is above average you can actually see the same movie more than once and enjoy it. AVP was not the case for me.
I will honestly say that i did not see the movie as of yet. However although i will not vote until i see the movie , i can safely assume that i will dislike avpr more than avp simply because of what i 'm hearing both fan and critics.
I know that i only post 2~3 times a day and most of you do not really know me very well. However i am not one of those ppl who will like anything they give just because i am a fan of the previous film.
I major animation and i've been learning a lot of cinematography, story, and etc, which made my vision slightly more above others in terms of viewing and criticizing movies.
So in conclusion, although i can safely assume that most of the people on this board will vote that avpr was INFACT better than the previous film (because most of the people here are under 19, [i'm not saying everyone below 19 are immature just saying in general<i've seen few who are below 19 who were capable of viewing in more broader picture>]) but i still would like to know how every one feels in general.
:)
I voted for AvP R.
I think AvP R is more good than AvP.
But anyways...AvP was good too.
Well...
AVP had a better, or should I say more "creative" setting and enviroment, good SFX, terrible creature design and terrible acting and pacing.
AVP:R is more faithful to the original concept of Aliens and Predator, but terrible setting and so-so acting...creature design is greatly improved.
I think AVP is more enjoyable for the concept,
and AVP:R for the actual film...
Both have lots of flaws, and personally I enjoyed AVP:R better...
AvP was better paced, had better acting, and was overall a lot more coherent. AvP R was more of a movie for the fans, had more of the right atmosphere, and was more fun to watch. Both movies are still pretty frustrating.
Ok, here are my honest opinions for both films
AVP
I hated everything about AVP..the preds, the alien velociraptors. How big the queen was, the acting was sh**, preds were sh**. Movies was too short, 10 minute gestation period for Aliens. LEX, the Scar/Lex scene....the ending was good (pred-alien)
AVPR
was too short, not enough chraacter development but better than AVP's. Predator was amazing to see again the way he was so many damn years ago. Hate the multiple chestburster thing along with the powerglove, and plasma pistol. Othe rthan that the pred was great. Aliens were sh** in this movie on hwo they looked but otherwise were good. This movie actually made me forget how much I ahted the pred-alien design. I liked the Pizza Boy and was thankful that he wasn't how I thought he would be. Hate the pool scene, hate the part where he goes to deliver the pizza. I love the alien and pred fights, short but satisfying. Hated the ending but the ending after the ending gives a gauranteed hint at a sequel, Other than all of this i thought this film was great and everything that AVP wasn't.
So in the end I go for AvPR
If you hate AvP, why would you complain that it's too short? ::)
It's a little hard to choose because both have some elements that the other doesn't have or does better.
AVP
-Aliens looked better and were portrayed better.
-Was better paced.
-Better story.
-Better characters/actors.
-Better dialogue (well the actors delivered them more convincingly, anyway)
-Better setting - the underground pyramid was fantastic (and based on an original idea for Alien and the designs in the predator spacecraft).
-Better visual effects (courtesy John Bruno).
-Longer fights (Celtic Vs Grid and Queen Vs Scar were major setpieces).
AVPR
-Action more intense and frequent but shorter - you see more of aliens and predators.
-Predator looked and acted more like the originals.
-Better score.
-More violent and hardcore - not watered down like AVP.
-Original sound effects (it was great to hear the predator sounds again).
-Predator homeworld looked good.
-Opening 5 minutes was epic - then it all went downhill with the bad script and terrible pacing.
So yeah, AVP does have a slight edge.
I can't see how people take Scar/Lex almost making out over bad pacing.
dude there is no question to this! its gonna be AVPR!
The one good thing I will say about Paul Anderson is that he seemed to have a fairly original vision for what he wanted for his movie. Maybe not original if you've read a lot of the comics since he did take a lot of inspiration from them but I do believe he was trying to make his film unique when compared to the previous movies.
Can't say the same for the bros and AVP-R. Watching a lot of AVP-R is like watching fans acting out their favourite movie scenes... badly. There are so many scenes, lines, actions etc. which you can clearly identify as being recycled from previous movies... just not as good. I really can't understand which direction the bros were going with this. It feels like they made the movie to appeal to the lowest common denominator. probably due to pressure from Fox to make as much a profit as possible from the small budget. However the realised that the fans were never going to accept this so they just crammed in as many homages as possible in an attempt to keep the fanbase happy. Unfortunately the homages were a little too ham fisted for my tastes so that didn't work.
At the end of the day AVP-R has more violence, more gore and more action... but the acting, plot and especially the pacing are even WORSE than AVP. As far as I'm concerned, both films are as bad as eachother.
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
Fatty, crappy preds.
Scar/Lex almost kissing
Tyrannosaurs Queen
10 min chestbursting
A crappy lead
A alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
No gore
Quotethis means acting, visual, script, direction, and etc.
Acting: Lance Henriksen saved AVP;
AVP: R had no such savior.
Visuals:
AVP's SFX shots were nice if only because you were waiting for them for some time;
AVP: R had many, but none of which resonated.
Script: Even
AVP: R can't quite top the absurdity of teenage Predators teaming up with humans.
Direction: Hate to say it, but Anderson did better.
one thing i have to about Paul Anderson is that he read the original comics because the predators did befriend a woman and helped the humans. they also tore off a finger on an alien and made a scar symbol on the forehead
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 27, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
AVP dialogue was like Shakespeare compared to AVPR. Plus, like Chibi mentioned, it had Lance.
QuoteFatty, crappy preds.
Agree - at least the predators looked better this time around.
QuoteScar/Lex almost kissing
At least it got a lot of female fans into the franchise. :P
QuoteTyrannosaurs Queen
Way better than the predalien.
Quote10 min chestbursting
As opposed to maybe an hour?
QuoteA crappy lead
AVPR didn't even have a lead. And Sanaa at least had some charisma and character. Not what I can say for any of the people in AVPR.
QuoteA alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
As opposed to aliens getting manhandled by Wolf left right and centre?
QuoteNo gore
Gore does not a good movie make.
They both sucked.
But at least Anderson's Aliens were not useless and didn't look like men-in-suits from beginning to end.
Resurrection had tons of gore. I dare anyone here to make an honest statement that it made that film any better.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 27, 2007, 04:15:25 AM
Resurrection had tons of gore. I dare anyone here to make an honest statement that it made that film any better.
The sheer amount of gore/the poor quality of it, tickled me to no end, so yeah, it kind of did....but not in a good way.
AvPR, but only slightly. They managed to bring some dignity and character back to the creatures themselves, but everything not involving them was shit.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 27, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
Fatty, crappy preds.
Scar/Lex almost kissing
Tyrannosaurs Queen
10 min chestbursting
A crappy lead
A alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
No gore
1. See Gameoverman and Chibi's posts.
2. For f**ks sake the Predators were not fat. They looked bulky due to the armor, but without it they were musclebound.
3. They almost kissed? Can I see this footage you speak of?
4. Her final battle scene is far more exciting and well made than anything in this piece-of-shit.
5. There was never a concrete timespan given for the chestbursting, the movie doesn't happen in real-time, and I'm pretty sure there's no subtitle stating "Ten minutes later" unless of course I missed it along with that near kiss moment.
6. Again read Gameoverman's post.
7. See above^^
8. I'd rather have no gore at all, than what was in this film. It completely lacks any intensity or impact(Father & Son burstings), and tries way to hard to be shocking and mean-spirited(Preggo sequence).
Quote from: Hudson on Dec 26, 2007, 05:28:36 PM
AvP was better paced, had better acting, and was overall a lot more coherent. AvP R was more of a movie for the fans, had more of the right atmosphere...
Exactly. For me, from a movie watching experience perspective.. I enjoyed AvP more than AvP-R.. But AvP-R seemed to be made for the fans.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Dec 27, 2007, 05:30:44 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 27, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
Fatty, crappy preds.
Scar/Lex almost kissing
Tyrannosaurs Queen
10 min chestbursting
A crappy lead
A alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
No gore
1. See Gameoverman and Chibi's posts.
2. For f**ks sake the Predators were not fat. They looked bulky due to the armor, but without it they were musclebound.
3. They almost kissed? Can I see this footage you speak of?
4. Her final battle scene is far more exciting and well made than anything in this piece-of-shit.
5. There was never a concrete timespan given for the chestbursting, the movie doesn't happen in real-time, and I'm pretty sure there's no subtitle stating "Ten minutes later" unless of course I missed it along with that near kiss moment.
6. Again read Gameoverman's post.
7. See above^^
8. I'd rather have no gore at all, than what was in this film. It completely lacks any intensity or impact(Father & Son burstings), and tries way to hard to be shocking and mean-spirited(Preggo sequence).
Um how about the temple reconfiguring every ten miutes?
Um how about the movie not taking place in real-time like I said?
avp-r delivered big time only 3 problems.
some weapon and pred sounds
short movie
not that long of fight scenes (Avp had at LEAST a 5 minute one :-X)
Quote from: StealthHunter on Dec 27, 2007, 07:41:58 AM
Um how about the movie not taking place in real-time like I said?
So the people that were infected were there for a several hours? Sebastian was grabbed and there was a 4 hour waiting period? The only thing AVP1 has on AVP-R is better pace.
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 28, 2007, 06:30:22 AM
Quote from: StealthHunter on Dec 27, 2007, 07:41:58 AM
Um how about the movie not taking place in real-time like I said?
So the people that were infected were there for a several hours? Sebastian was grabbed and there was a 4 hour waiting period? The only thing AVP1 has on AVP-R is better pace.
And balance, setting, characters, story, script, direction. Think I'm done. :)
AVP
Great setting
So-so acting, I don't feel the suspense and tension
Lots of anticipation - its great to see the predators and aliens again!
Predators are too bulky and slow (Scar gets easily whacked down by the Queen, even though he's a teenager)
Aliens are more sinister and more lively
Teamup --> URGH, WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO A SCI-FI HORROR MOVIE
Good ending (predalien)
AVPR
Familiar setting - similar to P2 (set in the cities) but the sewer and hive settings are great, oh the power station also
Bad acting, definitely can't pull off "GET TO DA CHOPPERR" like arnold did
Awesome predator design, great movements, sounds, weapons
Bad aliens - totally, man-in-suit aliens
Intense fight scenes, too short though, the boxing between Wolf and Chet is pretty...bad
I voted for AVPR because Wolf is way cooler, there are no teamups and the pace is much more suitable for a sci-fi horror movie
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 28, 2007, 06:30:22 AM
Quote from: StealthHunter on Dec 27, 2007, 07:41:58 AM
Um how about the movie not taking place in real-time like I said?
So the people that were infected were there for a several hours? Sebastian was grabbed and there was a 4 hour waiting period? The only thing AVP1 has on AVP-R is better pace.
Never once did I say it took several hours nor did I give it any sort-of timespan for that matter.
QuoteAnd balance, setting, characters, story, script, direction. Think I'm done.
Bingo! We have a winner!
Quote from: bloodjigsaw on Dec 28, 2007, 05:43:49 AM
avp-r delivered big time only 3 problems.
some weapon and pred sounds
short movie
not that long of fight scenes (Avp had at LEAST a 5 minute one :-X)
You forgot these problems:
Crap story/writing
Crap acting
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 27, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
Fatty, crappy preds.
Scar/Lex almost kissing
Tyrannosaurs Queen
10 min chestbursting
A crappy lead
A alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
No gore
The queen was the best ever, and it makes me laugh how ppl compare her with a T Rex ,no one really knows what a T Rex looks like.
Both movies have their problems... BUT AVP1 is the one that pissed the most on both franchises... so my vote goes clearly to AVP:R ;)
For me AVP:R has no problems like this, yeah maybe the new reproduction methode, but hell, i like it very much, very alien like... you know, scary, gory, etc...
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 28, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 27, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
Fatty, crappy preds.
Scar/Lex almost kissing
Tyrannosaurs Queen
10 min chestbursting
A crappy lead
A alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
No gore
The queen was the best ever, and it makes me laugh how ppl compare her with a T Rex ,no one really knows what a T Rex looks like.
I'm in agreeance. One of the coolest parts of that film (one of the few cool parts anyway) was seeing the Queen in full flight/fight mode. She was nuts. Good fun if you ask me.
Quote from: Blaz on Dec 28, 2007, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 28, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 27, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
Fatty, crappy preds.
Scar/Lex almost kissing
Tyrannosaurs Queen
10 min chestbursting
A crappy lead
A alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
No gore
The queen was the best ever, and it makes me laugh how ppl compare her with a T Rex ,no one really knows what a T Rex looks like.
I'm in agreeance. One of the coolest parts of that film (one of the few cool parts anyway) was seeing the Queen in full flight/fight mode. She was nuts. Good fun if you ask me.
People arent comparing there physical descriptions, just the way she moved and runned....
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 28, 2007, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: Blaz on Dec 28, 2007, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Dec 28, 2007, 12:29:00 PM
Quote from: Weasel on Dec 27, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
I still can't cancel out factors of pacing and bad acting against:
Worse Acting
Fatty, crappy preds.
Scar/Lex almost kissing
Tyrannosaurs Queen
10 min chestbursting
A crappy lead
A alien sitting there and dying on the end of a stick
No gore
The queen was the best ever, and it makes me laugh how ppl compare her with a T Rex ,no one really knows what a T Rex looks like.
I'm in agreeance. One of the coolest parts of that film (one of the few cool parts anyway) was seeing the Queen in full flight/fight mode. She was nuts. Good fun if you ask me.
People arent comparing there physical descriptions, just the way she moved and runned....
And when did you see a TRex move or run? oh yeah Jurassic park ::)
^how else would a bipedal dinosaur that leans forward walk and run?
Quote from: Optimus Prime on Dec 28, 2007, 02:12:34 PM
^how else would a bipedal dinosaur that leans forward walk and run?
my model alien queen from aliens is like that.
OK i have't seen avpR yet but generaly i want to know what people think about avp1 or avp2.
AVPR is better in my opinion because it was more action pack and the visual effects where better. The first AVP movie was bad in my opinion because it was boring and it didn't have enough scenes of both the Aliens and Predators. Most of the time in AVP was based on the human characters not the Aliens or the Predators unlike AVPR which was based on the Predators and Aliens not the Humans which was better in my opinion.
I didn't vote b/c i don't know of a great option for me to chose. I don't know that i have a preference over the other. @ this moment i'm more upset with AvP-R since it just came out. I think that AvP had a better story + setting/atmoshpere. It prob even had better characters. AvP-R had a lot of great scenes with Pred + a few nice ations scenes but not much else.
It couldnt be worse. I'd say its slightly better.
AVPR is better
Haven't seen it yet because it doesn't come out in the UK until Jan 18 :-[
will vote after I get to see it though!
AVPR is better, but I love the Queen in AVP. I think AVPR has more rewatch value due to the fact that the action starts earlier in the film and there is more of it.
The true deciding factor is that Wolf is done so much better than any Predator in AVP.
AVP
I think they are both equal in their strengths/weaknesses. However, I rate AVP just a little bit higher because it was more imaginative.
Quote from: gameoverman on Jan 03, 2008, 02:35:56 AM
I think they are both equal in their strengths/weaknesses. However, I rate AVP just a little bit higher because it was more imaginative.
and not so grounded as in AVP. Yeah I would agree on the last part.
AVPR kicked arse, though lighting made it hard to see some detail and fight scenes , it still kicked arse lol avp took to long to get into the action but as good as it was the strouse brothers didnt explain to well and didnt continue the film properly at the end of avp there were at least 20 - 30 predators but 2 on the first but idc i love both films
Quote from: Khan on Jan 03, 2008, 02:38:12 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Jan 03, 2008, 02:35:56 AM
I think they are both equal in their strengths/weaknesses. However, I rate AVP just a little bit higher because it was more imaginative.
and not so grounded as in AVP. Yeah I would agree on the last part.
There is a place for gritty-style horror. But AVPR wasn't
that realistic.
Equally good. I liked bits of the first as well as the second.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm more likely to watch AvP1 again than AvP:R :-X
I agree that they both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I think AvP-R is just that touch better due to its faithfulness to the creatures and it's tone...but at the same time, it's all pretty derivative stuff, whereas AvP1 had a grander scope and a bit more imagination.
Both movies are mis-fires though.
Quote from: gameoverman on Jan 03, 2008, 02:57:19 AM
Quote from: Khan on Jan 03, 2008, 02:38:12 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Jan 03, 2008, 02:35:56 AM
I think they are both equal in their strengths/weaknesses. However, I rate AVP just a little bit higher because it was more imaginative.
and not so grounded as in AVP. Yeah I would agree on the last part.
There is a place for gritty-style horror. But AVPR wasn't that realistic.
AVP-R had some big problems lots of little
AVP had many big problems and little ones
AVPR
I agree with Blackdawn and jimmylace. Both movies had good and bad qualities
AVPR is beeter than AVP1 because more blood of course and more action. And I like the Final Fight between the Predalien and the Predator.
AVP-R is a better A/P movie
AVP is a better movie
i prefer AVP-R
Quote from: Cinnamon on Jan 03, 2008, 03:04:52 AM
I agree with Blackdawn and jimmylace. Both movies had good and bad qualities
Now we're cookin' ;D
a little O-T, but I recently introduced the gf to Aliens and Alien 3 Assembly Cut. Watching them back to back made me pine for the good old days when fox sort of cared about these movies.
Anyway I was totally surprised by her reaction to them...she thought the acting in Aliens was wooden (which it is in places, I hadn't noticed before) and that it was a bit silly. Still enjoyed it though. BUT she totally digged Alien 3 AC and thought it was miles better....and that's why I love her. ;D
anyway..my point is, maybe FOX should re-release Alien 3 AC theatrically? I think audiences would really warm to it with a few minor touch ups. Then they could essentially re-start the Alien series, and do the same with the Predator. AvP3 is seeming less and less viable to me now. The first two movies have sucked the fun out of the concept, and now feeling winded, I don't know why I wanted to see an AvP movie in the first place. :-[
youve got to give AvP1 something though...at least it TRIED. It didnt feel anywhere near as cheap as Requiem did.
Quote from: jimmylace on Jan 03, 2008, 03:15:47 AM
youve got to give AvP1 something though...at least it TRIED. It didnt feel anywhere near as cheap as Requiem did.
had a better budget too
both movies were so on par with eachother that they might as well release them together as one movie.
i voted AVPR cuz hands down is much better but i must admit that the story for avp was alil better AVPR is like allover the place
Quote from: jimmylace on Jan 03, 2008, 03:15:47 AMIt didnt feel anywhere near as cheap as Requiem did.
That's because it wasn't.
AVP had a bigger budget and a experienced director, zero excuses in other words!
Sure AVP had a creative ideas, but that doesn't matter because it was kind of boring at times, but since I'm such a fan of these two creatures, seeing them two both on screen is just so cool to watch. So in other words it's hard not to have a good time.
AVP was eye candy at best, the characters were so cardboard! lol, you knew nothing about them, nothing at all. The movie didn't have enough action scenes too and some of the characters didn't even have lines lol. They just stood there to die. When I saw this movie in theaters, there wasn't one moment people were reacting to anything, they should stood there with a confused look lol, and I saw two people leave.
It was painful to watch at times because of the pace/editing of the film, it didn't flow right from scene to scene. Especially when someone very violent was happening, it would cut away so on purpose so you didn't see any human blood and gore lol? ::)
Entertaining, but thats as far as it goes. If it wasn't because it was about Aliens and Predators and it had great special effects I would rip on this movie all day, but thats very unnecessary. I'll leave all the bitching and crying for SiL to do.
AVP-R had a fast pace, straight to the point hardcore action! Theres a crisis and things are happening fast! Everything was moving along, it never got boring and at times it would slow down to build up tension for a moment and I liked the fact it was more about the Aliens and Predators and less about the human characters. Even though the film didn't have a lot of character development I still learned more about them than the characters in AVP.
You could in see in AVP-R some of the characters had a history together and it was very story telling at times. Kind of like when the little girl and the bed time story thing, and how the cop liked Dallas a lot but he was just a guy who would make bad choices and he would be forced to always bust him.
The score was perfect too, Brian Tyler nailed it! It helped the film a lot. Also the fact AVP-R was rated R and much more bloody made it more fun too, because you didn't get those werid cliche cut aways anymore when something violent happened, they showed it all, which was a huge plus!
I can keep going on and on about this. AVP-R is much better and much more fun! Also the fact that it had a smaller budget than AVP and it was still better, has my respect.
hey was were the budgets for the films (both avp and avpr)???????????
Anderson made his Salerno-revised AVP script on $60 million. The Brothers Strause made this film on a $40 million budget.
I actually think Salerno made Anderson's script even worse. I wish I could read Anderson's original script.
Supposedly, the novelization has the basic elements of Anderson's script. If I remember right the original script has a part with hundreds of facehuggers crawling around, uses 5 Predators instead of 3, included a part where a Predator is forcibly facehugged, and a final battle between a Predalien and Scar.
I might be wrong on one of those, but that's what I remember reading from people who know details on the novel and/or script.
I own the novel, and it has basically the same elements as the film, only with 5 Predators, and one of them gets facehugged.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 03, 2008, 04:55:18 AM
Anderson made his Salerno-revised AVP script on $60 million. The Brothers Strause made this film on a $40 million budget.
oh wow thnx cant imagine what they woudl had done with those extra 20mill ;D
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Jan 03, 2008, 04:55:18 AM
Anderson made his Salerno-revised AVP script on $60 million. The Brothers Strause made this film on a $40 million budget.
Correction.
Anderson made AvP for around $45-50 million. Requiem's budget was under $40 million.
AvP-R was better but I would like to point out that since I am a huge fan I like all Alien, Predator, and AVP movies equally... just some more than others.
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 03, 2008, 05:28:46 AM
AvP-R was better but I would like to point out that since I am a huge fan I like all Alien, Predator, and AVP movies equally... just some more than others.
lol then you couldn't like all films equally could you? ???
I know what you mean it's just that it makes no sense lol ;)
Quote from: _Pred_Alien_ on Jan 03, 2008, 05:35:02 AM
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 03, 2008, 05:28:46 AM
AvP-R was better but I would like to point out that since I am a huge fan I like all Alien, Predator, and AVP movies equally... just some more than others.
lol then you couldn't like all films equally could you? ???
I know what you mean it's just that it makes no sense lol ;)
You caught me. :D
"To the helicopter"! :D
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 03, 2008, 05:38:05 AM
Quote from: _Pred_Alien_ on Jan 03, 2008, 05:35:02 AM
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 03, 2008, 05:28:46 AM
AvP-R was better but I would like to point out that since I am a huge fan I like all Alien, Predator, and AVP movies equally... just some more than others.
lol then you couldn't like all films equally could you? ???
I know what you mean it's just that it makes no sense lol ;)
You caught me. :D
"To the helicopter"! :D
no you mean "to Gilliam Circle, we'll be safer there" ;D
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jan 03, 2008, 05:22:29 AM
Correction.
Anderson made AvP for around $45-50 million. Requiem's budget was under $40 million.
Yes, Requiem was under buget upon completion which is what allowed the consideration of the homeworld sequence. But do you have a citation for that AVP quote? Box Office Mojo puts it at 60 mil.
Quote from: _Pred_Alien_ on Jan 03, 2008, 05:39:32 AM
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 03, 2008, 05:38:05 AM
Quote from: _Pred_Alien_ on Jan 03, 2008, 05:35:02 AM
Quote from: CanadianHero67 on Jan 03, 2008, 05:28:46 AM
AvP-R was better but I would like to point out that since I am a huge fan I like all Alien, Predator, and AVP movies equally... just some more than others.
lol then you couldn't like all films equally could you? ???
I know what you mean it's just that it makes no sense lol ;)
You caught me. :D
"To the helicopter"! :D
no you mean "to Gilliam Circle, we'll be safer there" ;D
"Hell no! I can tell the future" ;)
I personally like AVP better then AVPR.
I like AVP because I love the first fight scene with the The "Celtic" Predator while many Predator fans were not very happy with the fact that the Alien killed both Predators. The fight scene with the Queen and Scar was really cool. The effects were amazing. I liked the characters. Things that annoyed me was the chestburster's came out really fast, I wanted the movie in the future, I wish it had more Predators & I wish the Mercenaries killed something and that there were a few more survivors. The only thing this movie messed up was no one has ever encountered an Alien before, raised questions whether or not Bishop in Alien 3 is human or not . Small things that made fans mad, but did not bother me are the Predators look more bulky, Their vision is changed, No blood & the predator could see the Queen without it's mask. Also People thought the Predator face looked bad. The Predator face is the worst one without a doubt of all the films but I did like the masks. While Many others hate this film with a passion I like it a lot & cameron liked it too. ;D
Spoilers below incase you have not yet seen the movie.
AVPR I like the movie but I did not like it as much as I wanted to. The movie was very chopped up. I think they tried to hard to cram everything together. You meet one character he/she is dead. All the characters are not intresting at all except the wolf. But I would like to have had a good human character. The story was not very good, it seems like they just played Resident Evil 3 and took that story just survive before the town is nuked. The music in this movie was good it felt like Predator music and ALIEN R. The 2 good fight scenes were the National Guard & the sewer. But of course the National Guard get killed fast :'( and the Teenagers survive >:(. I wanted to see who would win the Predator or Pred Alien but instead they get nuked, all the fight scens were not that long either. I hated the fact that the Pred Alien could impregnate it's hosts and have 4 chestbursters come out >:(. Just stay with the Queen. Wish there were more predators in this film as well. This movie felt more like a Predator 3 then an Alien film. Do to so much of the predator killing countles Aliens. Also the movie was a cheesy, yes Predator films are cheesy but this felt diffrent for example
Kelly O'Brien never reloaded her M4 once and the others ran there guns dry. and when Ricky shoots the Alien with a pistol with one had and hits it is very unlikey. The funny thing is the complaints about AVP, a lot of the mistakes were in this film and I heard no one complain. The only thing the directors fixed was they added gore and redisgn the predator like the original films. While I have a lot of complaints I still like this movie.
Which film do you like better? ;D
As much as AVP-R doesn't do, it does manage to have good action and cool predator weaponry.This alone makes it better than avp IMO. AVP kills off the preds way to fast. Just the whole concept of this pyramid in the antarctic....? Its way outta left field.
YA THE WHOLE PYRAMID THING WAS DIFFRENT BUT I WAS SATISFIED. :)
I personally like AVP better then AVPR.
I like AVP because I love the first fight scene with the The "Celtic" Predator while many Predator fans were not very happy with the fact that the Alien killed both Predators. The fight scene with the Queen and Scar was really cool. The effects were amazing. I liked the characters. Things that annoyed me was the chestburster's came out really fast, I wanted the movie in the future, I wish it had more Predators & I wish the Mercenaries killed something and that there were a few more survivors. The only thing this movie messed up was no one has ever encountered an Alien before, raised questions whether or not Bishop in Alien 3 is human or not . Small things that made fans mad, but did not bother me are the Predators look more bulky, not that is all that bad I mean not all predators are going to look the same, just like humans.Their vision is changed, No blood & the predator could see the Queen without it's mask. One complaint that is reasonable is the pred/ human team up. that was a little strange, but it was in the books and comics. Also People thought the Predator face looked bad. The Predator face is the worst one without a doubt of all the films but I did like the masks. While Many others hate this film with a passion I like it a lot & Cameron liked it too.
Spoilers below in case you have not yet seen the movie.
AVPR I like the movie but I did not like it as much as I wanted to. The movie was very chopped up. I think they tried to hard to cram everything together. You meet one character he/she is dead. All the characters are not interesting at all except the wolf. The acting in this movie is terrible, no one ever shows emotion for example kelly was fine right after her husband died. But I would like to have had a good human character. The story was not very good, it seems like they just played Resident Evil 3 and took that story just survive before the town is nuked. The music in this movie was good it felt like Predator music and ALIEN R. The 2 good fight scenes were the National Guard & the sewer. But of course the National Guard get killed fast and the Teenagers survive . I wanted to see who would win the Predator or Pred Alien but instead they get nuked, all the fight scens were not that long either. I hated the fact that the Pred Alien could impregnate it's hosts and have 4 chestbursters come out . Just stay with the Queen. Wish there were more predators in this film as well. This movie felt more like a Predator 3 then an Alien film. Do to so much of the predator killing countless Aliens. Also the movie was a cheesy, yes Predator films are cheesy but this felt different for example
Kelly O'Brien never reloaded her M4 once and the others ran there guns dry. and when Ricky shoots the Alien with a pistol with one had and hits it is very unlikely. Also when he runs at the predator shooting it with his M4 and actually hitting the predator is unlikely. The Dallas gets a hold of the Predator gun and uses it. Most likely someone will not pick that up and try to figure it out how to use it. The funny thing is the complaints about AVP, a lot of the mistakes were in this film and I heard no one complain. The only thing the directors fixed was they added gore and redisgn the predator like the original films. While I have a lot of complaints I still like this movie. But this movie could have been better. I knew it would not be great when I first heard it was not going to be in the future.
Which film do you like better?
Yes I already posted this on an other forum but I would like to hear responces. ;D
AvP-R was more enjoyable to watch.
AvP didn't feel right to me, although I liked where Anderson was going with the story when I first heard about it. I did find it pretty entertaining, and I do own the DVD. AvP-R just has a faster pace, which I like, and an atmosphere that feels closer to the originals (in my opinion). AvP is too smooth and brightly lit, that kind of bothered me.
They both have they're pros and cons (Predator looked great in R), but I look at them both as one movie, since Shane Salerno had the job of cleaning up after Paul Anderson. When AvP-R comes out on DVD, I tend to watch them both back to back... I think that might be an enjoyable experience.
-slug
R...but not by much.
AVP-R is better, but that's primarily because it's "AVP with gore." Even then, it's not the lack of gore that made the first one suck so much.
AVPR. The drama was genuine to me.
AVP-R.
Better designs/cinematography/music/gore.
Quote from: Slugworth on Jan 06, 2008, 09:41:02 PM
AvP-R was more enjoyable to watch.
AvP didn't feel right to me, although I liked where Anderson was going with the story when I first heard about it. I did find it pretty entertaining, and I do own the DVD. AvP-R just has a faster pace, which I like, and an atmosphere that feels closer to the originals (in my opinion). AvP is too smooth and brightly lit, that kind of bothered me.
They both have they're pros and cons, but I look at them both as one movie, since Shane Salerno had the job of cleaning up after Paul Anderson. When AvP-R comes out on DVD, I tend to watch them both back to back... I think that might be an enjoyable experience.
-slug
Yeah,AvP R was really more enjoyable to watch at the cinema.
thanks for the replies. ;D I just want to hear everyones opinion. I tried to take all the good and bad things for both movies if you can think of any let me know. :)
AVP:R
AVPR.
AvP:R
AVP-R hands down!
AVP-R just barely though.
I am a fan of both, but I think AVP has more issues. I am a big predator fan, and AVP-R had a much cooler Predator.
I am a big fan and liked both a lot but AVP-R is far better.
AvP-R was the better movie to me, I think AvP had a lot of potential and could have been a lot better. Then again AvP-R could have been a lot better. In the end it came down to studio control I believe. Anderson actually had a rather good thing going but the studio made him cut the movie in half. He wanted to film the Queen being injected with hormones that sped up reproduction and gestation. Basically, it would have made a lot more sense. AND it was meant to be rated R.
Fox just doesn't care anymore, I want the old execs back. *sighs*
well I just watched AVP it still is good to me but now that I think more I'm not sure which one I like better. Each movie has better things. AVPR I would like a whole lot better but I just wished the characters were better & that there were National Guard characters that had a major role. I will watch the movies back to back once AVPR is released on dvd. ;D
Quote from: Slugworth on Jan 06, 2008, 09:41:02 PM
since Shane Salerno had the job of cleaning up after Paul Anderson.
The same guy actually wrote for both films. If they were cleaning up, then it was after their own stuff.
Quote from: Lucian Laurentis on Jan 06, 2008, 11:53:58 PM
Anderson actually had a rather good thing going but the studio made him cut the movie in half. He wanted to film the Queen being injected with hormones that sped up reproduction and gestation.
No evidence has come to light, one way or the other, about that.
QuoteBasically, it would have made a lot more sense. AND it was meant to be rated R.
Never was.
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
I never heared Anderson wanted to add those scenes. But who knows, like I say everyone knows something that others don't. ;D
AVP is better in it's effects, environment, and atmosphere. That's it. Characters and acting for both are mediocre. The creatures are better in AVPR, especially the Predator. AVPR also has the R rating and no team up going for it.
Quote from: Lucian Laurentis on Jan 06, 2008, 11:53:58 PM
He wanted to film the Queen being injected with hormones that sped up reproduction and gestation.
Made up by fans.
ya the Predator does look a lot better. But the Aliens do not look as good as Camerons to me. don't ask me why? They look good. ;D
Of course they don't look as good. The Aliens haven't looked very good since A3.
the aliens from avp were better in every way possible when compared to these pathetic strause aliens.
No I think any Alien looks better then ALien Res.. And I think it is better then Alien3 personally. ;D
avpr was only good but it was so much better than avp!
post it beya!
AVP
Better direction, balance, characters, setting, more creative, better paced etc
Better movie? AVP probably
Better Alien Vs Predator movie? AVP-R
avp was just stupid from start to finsish. it was simply so devoid of any suspense excitement scares or gore that it was just bland , bland and incredibly dumb with wwf wrestling , batman and robin cheese, the boxing glove , the aztecs, the time it took for the chetburster it just ozzed stupidity and disbelief that u were watching an alien or predaator flm. the characters were bland the acting was bland the sets while original were just dark bland stone chambers everything about this film was bland and dumb. aka the unentertaing film i have everseen. i dont just like avp-r better then avp i like every single film i have seen since.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
AVP beat AVP-R in music, action, the portrayal of the predator, designs, sounds, suspense etc. etc. news to me ::)
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
the numbers dont lie ;) but feel free to continue living in your fanboy dream world. ;D
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Quote from: happypred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:04:43 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
the numbers dont lie ;) but feel free to continue living in your fanboy dream world. ;D
yeah your right if not for AVP being so bad more ppl would have seen AVP-R
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
If AVP had been better + made more money then more people would be interested in a sequel.
True, it would help if AVP-R was actually good, unfortunately that is not the case.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
So your telling me if a movie was not good at all but made money and they made a sequel you would go and see the sequel... ::) yeah ok...
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jan 07, 2008, 05:26:31 AM
If AVP had been better + made more money then more people would be interested in a sequel.
True, it would help if AVP-R was actually good, unfortunately that is not the case.
I will give ypu that but Wolf is the only reason i enjoyed AVP-R so i will defend it as best i can
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:33:27 AM
So your telling me if a movie was not good at all but made money and they made a sequel you would go and see the sequel... ::) yeah ok...
well obviously you did ;D
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I will give ypu that but Wolf is the only reason i enjoyed AVP-R so i will defend it as best i can
proving that only pred fanboys like avp-r
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Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:33:27 AM
So your telling me if a movie was not good at all but made money and they made a sequel you would go and see the sequel... ::) yeah ok...
well obviously you did ;D
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I will give ypu that but Wolf is the only reason i enjoyed AVP-R so i will defend it as best i can
proving that only pred fanboys like avp-r
whoever said i hated AVP and well yeah AVP-R was much more enjoyable for us but i could really care less about what alien fan boys want as u could careless about what i want... Im sure some of the general audience liked it
I don't think i like one film more than the other. I loved everything that AVP-R had with the Predator. They handled Wolf greatly. There was maybe 1 or 2 other great scenes in the movie but not much else. Not that it was completely unenjoyable, i'm just sure so many scenes weren't intended to leave the audience laughing.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jan 07, 2008, 05:40:07 AM
I don't think i like one film more than the other. I loved everything that AVP-R had with the Predator. They handled Wolf greatly. There was maybe 1 or 2 other great scenes in the movie but not much else. Not that it was completely unenjoyable, i'm just sure so many scenes weren't intended to leave the audience laughing.
Still felt like I was watching Terminator when Wolf kicked the glass door while holding his gun and that was jinda laughable
some of the general audience liked it. but not enough to warrant a sequel. which is why this movie is the death of the series, as i previously stated.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:15:16 AM
the numbers dont lie ;) but feel free to continue living in your fanboy dream world. ;D
calling AvP-R a flop is the only way for you to cope with the trauma of seeing your beloved aliens getting stomped on screen...
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:42:26 AM
some of the general audience liked it. but not enough to warrant a sequel. which is why this movie is the death of the series, as i previously stated.
you never know i mean did A;R make good money and yet they brought the aliens back... Let the sequel wait for a few years I say
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:15:16 AM
the numbers dont lie ;) but feel free to continue living in your fanboy dream world. ;D
calling AvP-R a flop is the only way for you to cope with the trauma of seeing your beloved aliens getting stomped on screen...
yeah they did "high-five"
crap sry bout double post it was bad timing
Quote from: happypred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:43:31 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:15:16 AM
the numbers dont lie ;) but feel free to continue living in your fanboy dream world. ;D
calling AvP-R a flop is the only way for you to cope with the trauma of seeing your beloved aliens getting stomped on screen...
denial is a funny thing. tell me happypred, in what way is this movie
not a flop? its yet to break even domestically and its grand total world wide is just over 50 mil and half of that goes to the theaters. this movie has bombed.
so
HA :D ;D ;) :P
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:43:54 AM
you never know i mean did A;R make good money and yet they brought the aliens back... Let the sequel wait for a few years I say
A:R made 161 mil world wide. so yes it did make good money.
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:52:39 AM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:43:31 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:15:16 AM
the numbers dont lie ;) but feel free to continue living in your fanboy dream world. ;D
calling AvP-R a flop is the only way for you to cope with the trauma of seeing your beloved aliens getting stomped on screen...
denial is a funny thing. tell me happypred, in what way is this movie not a flop? its yet to break even domestically and its grand total world wide is just over 50 mil and half of that goes to the theaters. this movie has bombed.
so HA :D ;D ;) :P
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:43:54 AM
you never know i mean did A;R make good money and yet they brought the aliens back... Let the sequel wait for a few years I say
A:R made 161 mil world wide. so yes it did make good money.
Oh man I really need to brush up on this shit but still example of bad movie make lot o money
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
cop out?? are you retarded? how many sequels to crap films do people usually go and pay money to see? people do have a memory and they remember avp being awful , i dragged 4 friends to see the original and im lucky they still speak yo me , thats how much they hated it , do you honestly think their going to go pay to go see the sequel? , you even had people on here saying they couldnt even be bothered to go see it. the stuido new this thats why they gave them a tiny budgest and no advertising money because they new the only people likely to see it were the fans.
ok guys lets respect each others opinions. ;D please.
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
cop out?? are you retarded? how many sequels to crap films do people usually go and pay money to see? people do have a memory and they remember avp being awful , i dragged 4 friends to see the original and im lucky they still speak yo me , thats how much they hated it , do you honestly think their going to go pay to go see the sequel? , you even had people on here saying they couldnt even be bothered to go see it. the stuido new this thats why they gave them a tiny budgest and no advertising money because they new the only people likely to see it were the fans.
definatly a cop out. ;D
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 07, 2008, 06:00:27 AM
ok guys lets respect each others opinions. ;D please.
haha how long you been on this forum... :D ;)
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Quote from: ubcool on Jan 07, 2008, 06:00:05 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
cop out?? are you retarded? how many sequels to crap films do people usually go and pay money to see? people do have a memory and they remember avp being awful , i dragged 4 friends to see the original and im lucky they still speak yo me , thats how much they hated it , do you honestly think their going to go pay to go see the sequel? , you even had people on here saying they couldnt even be bothered to go see it. the stuido new this thats why they gave them a tiny budgest and no advertising money because they new the only people likely to see it were the fans.
definatly a cop out. ;D
Definantly Bullshit ;D
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:15:16 AM
denial is a funny thing.
yes you should know all about that...
Did it have an effect? sure
is it the main reason? i doubt it
Quote from: happypred on Jan 07, 2008, 06:19:24 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:15:16 AM
denial is a funny thing.
yes you should know all about that...
oh clever ::)
i see your not gonna address the rest of my post. i expected this seeing as how you dont know what you are talking about. :)
i liked avp it was a pretty bad movie in many ways but i liked but i gatta go with AVPR hands down dispite its weak story i think it was much more better then avp.....
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:09:56 AM
AVP beat AVP-R in ...... portrayal of the predator
For this one thought/quote alone I can't take anything you say seriously in any way.
Some people........gawd ::)
Quote from: Dragon-Pred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:09:56 AM
Quote from: happypred on Jan 07, 2008, 05:04:43 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
AVP beat AVP-R in music, action, the portrayal of the predator, designs, sounds, suspense etc. etc. news to me
^ Can I please choke him? ;D
AvPr i thought was better.
Aliens vs Predator:Requiem is the AvP film I was hoping for to be honest.
I was quite satisfied by it.
AVP-R is way better, like Creeper said it was the kind of film I hoped for when I heard AVP existed.
The plot makes much more sense then AVP.
The characters are just as real as in AVP or in any of the Alien or Predator movies, the only character who was ever really 'great' and evolved through either series was Ripley. She only developed cause she got more then one movie. There isn't time enough for character development in any of these movies we just need to know enough about them to be able to care what happens to them... whether we want them bumped cause they're jerks or whether we want them to survive cause we like them.
I thought the cutting was good; it showed everyone's stories (the Aliens, Wolf, the Humans) not just following the leads around occasionally peaking in to see the demises of others who'd been taken away.
The Preds get the respect they deserve by being shown to not be almost totally reliant on Plasma-Casters (let's face it Scar was the only Pred in AVP who did well while he wasn't armed with a Caster) and not being relative pushovers (two got killed on the ship in sneak attacks by the Predalien, which was very tough, the other who was on the ship is basically dead after the crash and is more or less put out of his misery by the Predalien, while Wolf was killed by the Predalien but after he'd killed it). I have never forgiven the directors of AVP for the way they treated the Preds in it: one drone killing two Preds? Come on!,
The portrayal of the Aliens is much better; while they're not quite a match for Wolf they're still more then a match for most of the humans (as they've always been). They're not quite so smart in AVP-R; they're more feral and animalistic. And the Predalien was awesome.
It's a much better movie then AVP.
50% of AVP-R nearly put me in a coma. AVP embarressed me in front of my chick, and literally made my stomach turn.
I'd rather be bored than sick and embarressed.
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
AVP beat AVP-R in music, action, the portrayal of the predator, designs, sounds, suspense etc. etc. news to me
^ Can I please choke him? ;D
I was being sarcastic there bud.
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
AVP beat AVP-R in music, action, the portrayal of the predator, designs, sounds, suspense etc. etc. news to me
^ Can I please choke him? ;D
I was being sarcastic there bud.
But you didnt add smileys to make it look sarcastic. YOU DIDNT ADD SMILEYS!!! ;)
Quote from: PHANTOM on Jan 07, 2008, 07:18:14 AM
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 01:29:09 AM
avp > avp-r in almost every way.....thats why avp-r is the death of the series.
just because you're precious aliens weren't owned as hard eh ::)
AVP beat AVP-R in music, action, the portrayal of the predator, designs, sounds, suspense etc. etc. news to me ::)
^ Can I please choke him? ;D
k I fixed it but I thought the news to me comment was a giveaway.
I think AVP and AVP-R are both equal really. I give both of them 7/10
Both 2 stars out of 4 from me
I think all the Alien movies have good character development. I mean all the characters get a lot of screen time before they even meet the monster. i mean in Aliens the soldiers don't even encounter the Aliens for about 30mins or so. In AVPR you just meet a character and he dies and they are not intresting. The only maine character in AVPR is the wolf, and personally I think that is the only reason Predator fans liked this film and hated Avp because one Alien killed two predators. I do respect your opinion though. ;D
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
It is not a cop-out. Obviously it is a contributing factor. If movies only made money because they were good, than AVP wouldn't have been successful. So that throws your above comment out the window.
AVP insulted the predator's fans, about all aspects of the predator species.
But finally we had our predator back from 1990, yep, avp R buried avp, amen.
Quote from: frenchpred on Jan 08, 2008, 01:24:59 AM
AVP insulted the predator's fans, about all aspects of the predator species.
But finally we had our predator back from 1990, yep, avp R buried avp, amen.
If you were an alien fan you wouldnt be saying that but alas I am with you the old pred came back to us now let us hope they can do that with the alien in a few years...
Thats true. I agree with that, but come on man. The predator is the"Ultimate Hunter" and the Alien is the "Ultimate Prey".(how they bill it) The Hunter is supposed to kill the prey! Right? The Predator just seemed wimped down.....I know they were Young hunters but the pred in the first Predator movie was so strong he threw arnold around and beat him like you would beat up a little kid. The preds in AVP just got killed to easy.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2008, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
It is not a cop-out. Obviously it is a contributing factor. If movies only made money because they were good, than AVP wouldn't have been successful. So that throws your above comment out the window.
the movie was bad. thats the main reason why its making zero money. avp made more money because it was better. ;)
A V P R owns AVP
I do believe the Aliens are easier to kill then a predator, and I personaly like Aliens better but I cant denie the truth. But in AVP the Predators did not die that easily. The first predator died because he got snuck up on. For all we know he might of been a great warrior. The 2nd Predator put up a great fight but he let his guard down. ;D
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 07, 2008, 10:40:30 PM
I think all the Alien movies have good character development. I mean all the characters get a lot of screen time before they even meet the monster. i mean in Aliens the soldiers don't even encounter the Aliens for about 30mins or so. In AVPR you just meet a character and he dies and they are not intresting. The only maine character in AVPR is the wolf, and personally I think that is the only reason Predator fans liked this film and hated Avp because one Alien killed two predators. I do respect your opinion though. ;D
There's a difference between getting to know all the characters, so that we can care what happens to them, and character development. In Alien none of the characters really evolve at all, in Aliens Ripley does evolve as a character (but that's cause she's the heroine and she has to change so we can go back) but none of the other characters do, in Alien 3 Ripley hasn't changed that much and none of the convicts or guards do.
In AVP-R we met characters and get enough to care what happens to them, eg with the father and kid we don't want them to get bumped even if we know almost nothing about them. Some of them do get bumped off before we know anything about them (eg the 'bums') but these days you can't take as long to set stuff up, so there needed to be Aliens for Wolf to kill quickly so we needed a few pure fodder characters (just like that infested colonist the soldiers find in Aliens).
The main human characters were interesting, and the hero group did okay.
Wolf was certainly the main character, and he was
awesome. But I don't like AVP-R more then AVP just because Wolf massacres the Aliens instead of the Preds getting fairly easily bumped: the story is better (it actually makes sense!), the cutting was good too, good mix between the paces of the Predator and Alien films (which have very different pacings), and the score was good.
Oh yeah as for the two Preds in AVP its with the way they acted as well as the fact Grid killed both of them that ticks me; the first one was careless (he was so focused on getting the casters back he didn't look around for Aliens and so he got killed, very sad), the second was really stupid (he cuts off Grid's tail and gets acid sprayed on his armour so he has to remove it and then he shots a net on Grid and forgets about the acid blood... Stupid!).
AVP almost killed both franchises,AVP R saved it.You can't even compare the two....AVP sucked so much a**.....the predators were like football players instead of athletic and tribal,they looked overweight and sloppy,everything that was menacing about the yautja was taken away.Both creatures looked waaay too damn rubbery and they made the pred look too damn human(skin tone,brown eyes,facial expressions),the team up with lex was super retarted and totally unnecessary,towards the end of the movie she seemed to just be around to get in the way.And the icing on the cake......the PG-13 rating >:(,both franchises are known for their gore,violence and brutality....why the hell would you take that way?The only thing that I liked about AVP was the queen
Why does no one except a few, explain why AVPR is better. ???
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
It is not a cop-out. Obviously it is a contributing factor. If movies only made money because they were good, than AVP wouldn't have been successful. So that throws your above comment out the window.
the movie was bad. thats the main reason why its making zero money. avp made more money because it was better. ;)
That is the stupidiest logic I have ever seen. How about a new exiting concept? Fans not spoiled by a shit first movie?
I know you hate AVPR, but at least try to make sense.
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Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
It is not a cop-out. Obviously it is a contributing factor. If movies only made money because they were good, than AVP wouldn't have been successful. So that throws your above comment out the window.
the movie was bad. thats the main reason why its making zero money. avp made more money because it was better. ;)
That is the stupidiest logic I have ever seen. How about a new exiting concept? Fans not spoiled by a shit first movie?
I know you hate AVPR, but at least try to make sense.
My guess is he was being sarcastic
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Quote from: gases on Jan 09, 2008, 06:19:55 AM
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Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 08, 2008, 12:04:03 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Jan 07, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
its such a cop out to blame avp for avp-r terrible B.O. numbers.
if avp-r had been good it would have made money. period.
It is not a cop-out. Obviously it is a contributing factor. If movies only made money because they were good, than AVP wouldn't have been successful. So that throws your above comment out the window.
the movie was bad. thats the main reason why its making zero money. avp made more money because it was better. ;)
That is the stupidiest logic I have ever seen. How about a new exiting concept? Fans not spoiled by a shit first movie?
I know you hate AVPR, but at least try to make sense.
My guess is he was being sarcastic
Nope... look at his posts in this thread and you will see.
avp-r cant stand on its own. its a bad movie, and much worse than avp. so why are ou surprised its doing worse? honestly. blaming avp is just a pathetic attempt at shifting the blame. sure avp sucked ass. but so did the resident evil movie and it still spawned sucessful sequels which also sucked btw.
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 09, 2008, 06:10:55 AM
Why does no one except a few, explain why AVPR is better. ???
Here, I will by repeating a past post of mine.
I was thinking about this last night because I am such a huge geek, and after giving it some thought, AVP is a big pile of shit with a middle finger stuck right in the middle. Ya, both films are not good, but AVP is easily the shittier of the two in terms of how it handles the series.
People point out mistakes in AVPR. Well, AVP has more! You know, the Aztec calendar being metric :D, it being night in Antarctica in October :D, how the pyramid is supposed to be "directly beneath" the whaling station yet the tunnel is at a 30 degree angle :D, Lex answering a cell phone while climbing a f**king mountain (I want her service)and of course, the biggest mistake of all..."Antarctica was once free of ice. It was likely it was once habitable." Ya, it was...before humans ever set foot on it.:D :D :D
And people act as if the PG13 rating wasn't a big deal, but after thinking about it, it was. AVP takes a completely adult series, and waters it down for stupid little kids. It's allowed one F-bomb, and when do they deliver? As Lex says, "I hope it kills every f**king one of them!!!" YAAAAA! KILL EM ALL! f**k YA! MAKE SURE YOU SAY IT LOUD ENOUGH SO EVERYONE HERES IT, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY TIME WE CAN SAY IT IN THIS PIECE OF CRAP PG13 SHITFEST!
When Lex teams up with Scar, it's dumber than anything AVPR has. Scar is so incompetent that she has to save Scar, like, 3 times. When she says the ugly motherf**ker line, yet it cuts off before she can say "f**ker." That is a huge "f**k you" to Predator. If your movie is PG13, don't even bother having R rated homages if you can't say it. ::)
Ya, AVPR is dumb. It has mistakes up the sphincter. It has bad acting. But AVP has all that AND is a watered down piece of shit.
Resiednt evil 1 was ok, the others sucked so much, I rented the 2nd film I hate it so much, that movie could have been amazing but nope it sucked, I only saw part of the 3rd film an wow, did that suck. Hollywood is running out of ideas thats why they have remade every movie lately. :'(
I can enjoy RE 1 and 2, but Extinction has absolutely no redeeming qualities to it. It was probably the worst film I saw this year.
You must not see many films, check out Ghost Rider, Epic Movie, Little Man, Hitman or AVP-R :D
RE: Extinction was the worst film I saw this year. Those you listed I never saw for a reason. ;)
I liked AVP, havent seen AVPR yet
AVPR.
AVP had an okay story, but Anderson's obsession with catering to a younger audience was his downfall. AVP: R had an okay storyline, and the rating was where it needed to be, but one thing that was strange about the movie was that to me, it seemed like an extended t.v. show. The cinematography very much reminded me of the x-files. AVP had at least that going for it.
Foundationman2 I agree with you AVPR did feel a liittle bit like a tv show. Not that is completely bad. ;D
AVP-R by a huge difference. It was STYLISH.
Also, Shane only rewrote AVP. PWSA wrote the first draft.
How is AVPR more stylish explain to my mending brain. :P
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 09, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
How is AVPR more stylish explain to my mending brain. :P
In the visuals. It just stood out more. Perhaps the use of color, lighting, or angles. All by Daniel Pearl, bless him.
I prefer the CGI in AVP but the acting in avpr
Acting sucks in both but i get irritated when Raoul (Sebastian) figures all out in a smartass way i mean everything he says appears to be right ::)
Edit: oh yeah and the feeling i get with avp-R is allot closer to alien and predator then avp IMO ;)
Quote from: The Son of Paragus on Jan 09, 2008, 11:57:56 PM
I prefer the CGI in AVP but the acting in avpr
Acting sucks in both but i get irritated when Raoul (Sebastian) figures all out in a smartass way i mean everything he says appears to be right ::)
"From that nook in the ground, I have logically deduced that the hunter guys have been hunting here for centuries, and the Mayans worshiped them, and they built pyramids, and blew themselves up."
Lex: "Sebastian,
shut up.
An interview done by AICN. Cameron said he ranks it third of the Alien films.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 09, 2008, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 09, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
How is AVPR more stylish explain to my mending brain. :P
In the visuals. It just stood out more. Perhaps the use of color, lighting, or angles. All by Daniel Pearl, bless him.
Requiem had all the style of a mediocre Sci-Fi channel movie-of-the-week with a decent budget.Infact I've actually seen some Sci-Fi channel movies that were even more stylish than this to be quite honest. The lighting was murky and overly dark, a bland and uninteresting color palette, with standard unimaginative point-and-shoot camera work & angles.
If you want to see what Daniel Pearl is
really capable of, then go watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre(original and remake), Pathfinder and Dean Koontz's Frankenstein.
AVP-R by far for actions, combats and general entertaining but for the story wise AVP was better.
Quote from: Yautja666 on Jan 10, 2008, 06:11:10 AM
AVP-R by far for actions, combats and general entertaining but for the story wise AVP was better.
Like the Pic
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Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 09, 2008, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 09, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
How is AVPR more stylish explain to my mending brain. :P
In the visuals. It just stood out more. Perhaps the use of color, lighting, or angles. All by Daniel Pearl, bless him.
Requiem had all the style of a mediocre Sci-Fi channel movie-of-the-week with a decent budget.Infact I've actually seen some Sci-Fi channel movies that were even more stylish than this to be quite honest. The lighting was murky and overly dark, a bland and uninteresting color palette, with standard unimaginative point-and-shoot camera work & angles.
If you want to see what Daniel Pearl is really capable of, then go watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre(original and remake), Pathfinder and Dean Koontz's Frankenstein.
I disagree. The lightings and angles were great in AVP-R.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 10, 2008, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jan 10, 2008, 05:06:00 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 09, 2008, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 09, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
How is AVPR more stylish explain to my mending brain. :P
In the visuals. It just stood out more. Perhaps the use of color, lighting, or angles. All by Daniel Pearl, bless him.
Requiem had all the style of a mediocre Sci-Fi channel movie-of-the-week with a decent budget.Infact I've actually seen some Sci-Fi channel movies that were even more stylish than this to be quite honest. The lighting was murky and overly dark, a bland and uninteresting color palette, with standard unimaginative point-and-shoot camera work & angles.
If you want to see what Daniel Pearl is really capable of, then go watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre(original and remake), Pathfinder and Dean Koontz's Frankenstein.
I disagree. The lightings and angles were great in AVP-R.
I just want to ask you if you made that up?
LOL
Because I have no idea how to judge what the hell your talking about. All I know is they put them in darkness and I could see and aliens didn't
look like shit.
Definitely AVPR because well, this one the Predator is just awesome.
I didn't like any of the Predators so much in the first film.
Now its between Wolf and P2
AvP: R.....but it was dissapointing for me....
AVP left me feeling let down and disappointed. AVPR just left me feeling empty and apathetic.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jan 10, 2008, 03:55:01 AM
An interview done by AICN. Cameron said he ranks it third of the Alien films.
It's a safe bet he ranks it 4th now.
Why would you say that?
Quote from: Foundationman2 on Jan 10, 2008, 04:30:28 PM
Why would you say that?
Cause Jim Cameron is a smart man with good taste.
So why would he like AVPR?
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Jan 10, 2008, 04:42:54 PM
So why would he like AVPR?
lol, Wait a minute. I didnt say he would like AVP-R. I just said I think he'd rank it 3rd best now. Im anxious to find out what he thinks of the Predalien.
Put simply AvP i left feeling disapointed and rather put off, story wise it is better than AvP-R but at least AvP-R i walked out satisfied and happy. The creatures at least were back to being what their supposed to be like for me at least.
Quote from: gases on Jan 10, 2008, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 10, 2008, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jan 10, 2008, 05:06:00 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 09, 2008, 11:56:59 PM
Quote from: Firetnk on Jan 09, 2008, 11:41:10 PM
How is AVPR more stylish explain to my mending brain. :P
In the visuals. It just stood out more. Perhaps the use of color, lighting, or angles. All by Daniel Pearl, bless him.
Requiem had all the style of a mediocre Sci-Fi channel movie-of-the-week with a decent budget.Infact I've actually seen some Sci-Fi channel movies that were even more stylish than this to be quite honest. The lighting was murky and overly dark, a bland and uninteresting color palette, with standard unimaginative point-and-shoot camera work & angles.
If you want to see what Daniel Pearl is really capable of, then go watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre(original and remake), Pathfinder and Dean Koontz's Frankenstein.
I disagree. The lightings and angles were great in AVP-R.
I just want to ask you if you made that up?
LOL
Because I have no idea how to judge what the hell your talking about. All I know is they put them in darkness and I could see and aliens didn't look like shit.
I'm serious. I like the visuals and how they were executed. Even the small town was made to look interesting. The lighting, especially the use of red and blue lights, plus the interesting angles helped a lot.
It was far from dull. IMO, AVP's pyramid was dull because no matter how we saw it, it looked the same, and very cheaply lit. Sure, AVP-R was dark, but in a stylish way.
I did not have a problem with the pyramid design. Or the effects for that matter. ;D
To answer the main question:
Requiem was more enjoyable to watch in the theater... which is strange, because AvP's setting alone should of been a helluva lot more interesting. I agree with Alieneseses that most of the time the pyramid looked too stale. Other times it looked great.
In the end, I'm just gonna cop-out and say that I look at these two short movies as 1 long film.
Two totally different styles and I like them both.
Btw. I'm gonna go see Requiem again at 8pm... if anyone's in the Ventura area and would like to join me... it's free. (sorry Colin);D
AVP-R. Both movies in their own right failed on making the monsters even and realistically powered in regards to each other (Grid killing two preds and Wolf, who was still an enjoyable bad-ass, killing dozens of Aliens and making them look like bitches) :P
But AVP-R reminded me more of the old films, lame homages and all. Except when they copied the arrival by Wolf to earth scene from the original Pred, with the ship splitting off. I actually liked that.
AvP-R was much more fun to watch at the cinema
AvP was very mediocre in the cinema and once I watched it again at home I realized how much I hated the team-up and how gay Scar's gentle eyes looked.
I think it's a given that most predator fans like AvP-R more whereas most Alien fans prefer AvP
happypred yes that is what I believe the pred fans like AVPr for btter predators, but the Alien fans I am not sure there in a mix bag.
I'm an Alien fan, and I think AVPR entertains more than AVP.
AVP:R.its just enjoyable (for me anyway),and tht makes a good film.
it just looked like some videogame movie to me.
My friend who went with me had no idea why there was a chestburster erupting from the dead predator at the beginning, that really lost him, and I was at a loss to explain how a dead body infected with an alien got on board the ship , or why the gestation time was so quick, and he had no idea that the Predalien was supposed to be a queen. My friend also felt that all of the aliens and the Predator should have teamed up to kill all the irritating college brats
I thought the back pipes of the aliens needed a bit of stiffening because they kept wobbling all the time.
Neither of us could work out what the word Requiem was tacked onto the end of the title for.
It seemed like a film with foundations that were fifty percent pure trash. I wont be watching the movie again at the cinema, but I did only see AVP once at the cinema. However I wont buy this film on DVD until the extended cut comes out.
avp-r10/10
avp9.9/10
jk jk
i liked both alot but i liked avpr more
Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jan 18, 2008, 10:14:41 PM
it just looked like some videogame movie to me.
My friend who went with me had no idea why there was a chestburster erupting from the dead predator at the beginning, that really lost him, and I was at a loss to explain how a dead body infected with an alien got on board the ship , or why the gestation time was so quick, and he had no idea that the Predalien was supposed to be a queen. My friend also felt that all of the aliens and the Predator should have teamed up to kill all the irritating college brats
I thought the back pipes of the aliens needed a bit of stiffening because they kept wobbling all the time.
Neither of us could work out what the word Requiem was tacked onto the end of the title for.
It seemed like a film with foundations that were fifty percent pure trash. I wont be watching the movie again at the cinema, but I did only see AVP once at the cinema. However I wont buy this film on DVD until the extended cut comes out.
I think they put the word Requiem in the title because the word means music played at funerals and at the end of the movie the town is nuked . That is my best explanation. ;D
P.S. To yellow Alien
sorry yellow Alien that I was an ass to you, long story short I did not have a good day. ;D
Iv'e stated this before but I thought AVP was better.
Im not listing the reasons again
In my opinion they both suck though. Well saying they suck is being to hard on them. Lets just say they did not live up to expectations...which yes are very high, but they didn't even live up to like 25% of them
Quote from: yellow snow predator on Jan 19, 2008, 12:29:13 AM
avp-r10/10
avp9.9/10
Can you spell
PREMA-BANNED?!?!?!?...Just joshing, obviously. :P
Just came back from watching AvPR for the third time and a lot of things are starting to bother me now, I still think its an ok movie (mind you some cow with pop-corn did my head in). But I have to say I like AvP much better so I vote AvP.
they both suck, but avp sucks less.
They both sucked and bla bla....
If you don't like em go watch cartoons.
AvP R rocked and i think it beats 10000000000000000000000 times AvP.
Just for the rocord i dont think AvPR sucked I think its a good film.
AvP all the way baby. I hate both movies, but you really have to be special to make AvP look actually good.
Quote from: Sheriff Eddie Morales on Jan 31, 2008, 10:14:35 PM
They both sucked and bla bla....
If you don't like em go watch cartoons.
AvP R rocked and i think it beats 10000000000000000000000 times AvP.
funny fact:
avp movies actually are live action cartoons.
I like AVPR better because it has more action and it was tons of fun. It also more based on the Predator and Aliens then the Humans.
Now that I've finally seen AvPR, this is an easy win for the craptastic AvP.
AvPR had a better Predator suit and some red splashed around, but in every other way it's just pure shit.
And my God...the Aliens have never looked worse. I nearly cried at how bad some shots of them were.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 01, 2008, 12:19:35 AM
Now that I've finally seen AvPR, this is an easy win for the craptastic AvP.
AvPR had a better Predator suit and some red splashed around, but in every other way it's just pure shit.
And my God...the Aliens have never looked worse. I nearly cried at how bad some shots of them were.
Took the words right outta my mouth. I also almost did as well.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:20:51 AM
Took the words right outta my mouth. I also almost did as well.
Now we both cry like men! ;)
I forgot one thing...the score, even though super-dooper derivitive, was better than the film deserved.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 01, 2008, 12:22:55 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:20:51 AM
Took the words right outta my mouth. I also almost did as well.
Now we both cry like men! ;)
I forgot one thing...the score, even though super-dooper derivitive, was better than the film deserved.
I was at the verge when the alien was crawling towards the chopper. Ugh.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 01, 2008, 12:22:55 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:20:51 AM
Took the words right outta my mouth. I also almost did as well.
Now we both cry like men! ;)
I forgot one thing...the score, even though super-dooper derivitive, was better than the film deserved.
I was at the verge when the alien was crawling towards the chopper. Ugh.
Everytime I see an alien in AVPR I'll think of this picture now:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg82.imageshack.us%2Fimg82%2F8333%2Fnormaladi12rx4.jpg&hash=ad95306f291413e48de048014236783489505d1f)
:P :D :P
To tell you the truth this is a hard one to pick?
AVPR felt abit shallow and feels like it was trying to be too much like Aliens and the first pred movie. The only thing better about AVP was it kept the plot away from populated land, but the rest of the movie was shit.
AVP Good ponts:
Queen
In antarctic
Lance Henricson
AVP-R Good points:
Wolf
Some of the gore
More action
When i watch both movies for the first time i liked them, but after another viewing the both feel abit shallow. If i had to pick i would say AVP-R but not by much and only because it had gore and a better looking pred.
They are both horrible movies.
But AVPR is by far the worse of the two.
Its a lose-lose situation.
AVP R = 8/10
AVP = 0/10
I remember when fans used to say AVP and Alien 4 designs were the worse designs. Then AVP 2 came out. Well I'm still shocked and always will be....
I choose AVP. It had better story, better alien designs, and better everything else except for predators.
Both bad, although AVP is better.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi110.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn120%2Fbranman887%2Favprcarrie.jpg&hash=5f45fced022dcc34611b9dd4e3e316d99a757869)
Quote from: gameoverman on Feb 01, 2008, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 01, 2008, 12:22:55 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:20:51 AM
Took the words right outta my mouth. I also almost did as well.
Now we both cry like men! ;)
I forgot one thing...the score, even though super-dooper derivitive, was better than the film deserved.
I was at the verge when the alien was crawling towards the chopper. Ugh.
Everytime I see an alien in AVPR I'll think of this picture now:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8333/normaladi12rx4.jpg
:P :D :P
Damn he has skinny legs.
Its funny how when AVP came out everyone took a shit on it, now that AVPR is out everyone jumps on the AVP is better bandwagon. How AVP can be considered a better movie is just beoynd me. AVPR in my opinion is a superior film. (now comense attacking my comment!)
I liked both i liked avp-r more though
Quote from: Hybrid PM on Feb 01, 2008, 02:01:51 AM
Its funny how when AVP came out everyone took a shit on it, now that AVPR is out everyone jumps on the AVP is better bandwagon. How AVP can be considered a better movie is just beoynd me. AVPR in my opinion is a superior film. (now comense attacking my comment!)
well most of the people that say that avp is better say that BOTH of the movie is CRAPTASTIC. people are not judging by black and white, they are just saying which one smells less of a shit.
Quote from: darcevil on Feb 01, 2008, 01:55:44 AM
Damn he has skinny legs.
Look right. Gina's are a lot slimmer.
AvP - 7/10
Requiem - 3/10
Oh yeah btw, I'm a Predator fanboy. Just wanted to say that because I'm f**king sick & tired of everyone saying that all Predator fanboys liked Requiem. >:(
Quote from: gameoverman on Feb 01, 2008, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:29:51 AM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 01, 2008, 12:22:55 AM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Feb 01, 2008, 12:20:51 AM
Took the words right outta my mouth. I also almost did as well.
Now we both cry like men! ;)
I forgot one thing...the score, even though super-dooper derivitive, was better than the film deserved.
I was at the verge when the alien was crawling towards the chopper. Ugh.
Everytime I see an alien in AVPR I'll think of this picture now:
http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8333/normaladi12rx4.jpg
:P :D :P
lol, got any more behind the scenes pics? :D
Something that was missing from this film was the Predator suicide device, I would have enjoyed seeing Wolf use it to kill the Predalien as well taking out Gunnison in the process. ;D
eh the predaboys will ruin this poll.
We should give up and get more into lost. At least they care about their story.
Quote from: Sheriff Eddie Morales on Jan 31, 2008, 10:14:35 PM
They both sucked and bla bla....
If you don't like em go watch cartoons.
AvP R rocked and i think it beats 10000000000000000000000 times AvP.
I do to. Its much better. A lot more action!
It's a battle of two horrible movies, but I still feel AVP:R comes out on top. AVP had an incredibly boring build-up, made no sense to the canon, and sported poor fight sequences. AVP:R at least tried to give us some interesting material before hitting us with horrible dialogue topping even the first film, made marginal attempts at preserving the canon before the craptastic PredAlien antics, and managed to improve what we could see of the fight sequences.
It's essentially a no-prize because of all the negatives, but at least it's something.
"Amen"? That's an intense exaggeration, and that's being polite.
I saw both of them last night and i can say AVPR is way better than AVP. I cant stand Lex or Sebastian dialogues.
I love how people talk about all the mistakes in AVP:R but noones talking about the ones in AVP? like there was none......the whole film was for me.
Bishops alive...oh but his alive in Alien3.....so hows that work mr anderson?
There underground in a temple that has......light in it....from where? how would the rooms and corridors have so much light in them when..there underground.......the seen where lex jumps that gap....the camera pans up and there's loads of light...yet when they first get near the temple its pitch black.
The predators wrist blade melts when it chops grids tail off.....yet when scar uses his shuriken on the face hugger......nothing.....he doesnt even burn his hands........so how does that work ??? why have the wrist blades none acid proof and everything else is the spear is aswell.
The whale station.....its been 100 years since anyones been there? 100 years!!!! and the place isnt completly coverd in snow!
In my eyes AVP:R is a masterpiece compared 2 AVP
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:19:08 AM
I love how people talk about all the mistakes in AVP:R but noones talking about the ones in AVP? like there was none......the whole film was for me.
Bishops alive...oh but his alive in Alien3.....so hows that work mr anderson?
There underground in a temple that has......light in it....from where? how would the rooms and corridors have so much light in them when..there underground.......the seen where lex jumps that gap....the camera pans up and there's loads of light...yet when they first get near the temple its pitch black.
The predators wrist blade melts when it chops grids tail off.....yet when scar uses his shuriken on the face hugger......nothing.....he doesnt even burn his hands........so how does that work ??? why have the wrist blades none acid proof and everything else is the spear is aswell.
The whale station.....its been 100 years since anyones been there? 100 years!!!! and the place isnt completly coverd in snow!
In my eyes AVP:R is a masterpiece compared 2 AVP
To answer your first question - Weyland becomes known for the discovery of the pyramid, and as a result the Weyland-Yutani Corporation models the Bishop android after him; "when the Bishop android is created in 150 years time, it's created with the face of the creator. It's kind of like Microsoft building an android in 100 years time that has the face of Bill Gates."
As for the other stuff i can't be bothered explaining, although I'm sure people would love to watch a film set in a temple with NO light at all. Anyway, AVP had some creativity, better sets, better acting, balance, characters, etc etc
Alien was made years before predator...there for they have nothing to do with each other so dont give that crap about bishop being a droid in alien3 coz he isnt....anderson is a f**king twat.
these films have nothing to do with each other!!!!
Predators did not make the aliens, or get them shipped from the jockey!!!
ffs when are you people going to get it!!!
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Alien was made years before predator...there for they have nothing to do with each other so dont give that crap about bishop being a droid in alien3 coz he isnt....anderson is a f**king twat.
these films have nothing to do with each other!!!!
Predators did not make the aliens, or get them shipped from the jockey!!!
ffs when are you people going to get it!!!
"I'm sure people would love to watch a film set in a temple with NO light at all"
Yet ppl moan about AVP:R being to dark......when there's no power in the town..there for it would be dark!!!
AVP-R is a million times better.
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Alien was made years before predator...there for they have nothing to do with each other so dont give that crap about bishop being a droid in alien3 coz he isnt....anderson is a f**king twat.
these films have nothing to do with each other!!!!
Predators did not make the aliens, or get them shipped from the jockey!!!
ffs when are you people going to get it!!!
"I'm sure people would love to watch a film set in a temple with NO light at all"
Yet ppl moan about AVP:R being to dark......when there's no power in the town..there for it would be dark!!!
Exactly, it's too dark. Who cares where the light in the temple came from, we could see what was going on. Henriksen was also cast so the film at least had a known actor, rather than the usual cast of unknown B-grade actors in horror films, AVP-R as a prime example. :-X
I don't know what everyone is talking about as far as avp-r being too dark i thought it was fine.
The being to dark excuse is lame. I saw everything just fine. Either some people need glasses or better theaters.
AvP-R 7/10
AvP 3/10
Apparently some of the prints of the film were a little dark or washed out. That seemed to be the case with mine but I still saw the movie fine.
We can all make excuses we can all nitpick but all i can say is that Paul W S Andersons pg13 AvP was better Than AvP-R,it had better characters, better story, better fights, better setting, better acting, better dialog, better creature effects, at least had an actor we have all heard of and there was a myth about the alien and predators. And Colin says AvPR works with out AvP? how? cus there is no story there what so ever, so there some random predator ship that crash lands with an alien? great writing that.
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 01, 2008, 08:52:40 PM
We can all make excuses we can all nitpick but all i can say is that Paul W S Andersons pg13 AvP was better Than AvP-R,it had better characters, better story, better fights, better setting, better acting, better dialog, better creature effects, at least had an actor we have all heard of and there was a myth about the alien and predators. And Colin says AvPR works with out AvP? how? cus there is no story there what so ever, so there some random predator ship that crash lands with an alien? great writing that.
^Lol. You're only saying the movie was without a story because you didn't like it,that's a pretty unreasonable belief,what have you been smoking? You're turning a blind eye to the truth. Even though you don't want the truth,you can't handle it. Hehehe. :)
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:19:08 AM
I love how people talk about all the mistakes in AVP:R but noones talking about the ones in AVP?
Maybe it has something to do with that film being released
four years ago, and that if you bothered looking in the
AvP movie board you'd see it's pretty much nothing
but people bitching about the problems.
AvP:R FTW. AvP was an aberration, an abomination, and an insult. At least AvP:R was more faithful to its source material.
Quote from: Yautja/Alien_lover on Feb 01, 2008, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 01, 2008, 08:52:40 PM
We can all make excuses we can all nitpick but all i can say is that Paul W S Andersons pg13 AvP was better Than AvP-R,it had better characters, better story, better fights, better setting, better acting, better dialog, better creature effects, at least had an actor we have all heard of and there was a myth about the alien and predators. And Colin says AvPR works with out AvP? how? cus there is no story there what so ever, so there some random predator ship that crash lands with an alien? great writing that.
^Lol. You're only saying the movie was without a story because you didn't like it,that's a pretty unreasonable belief,what have you been smoking? You're turning a blind eye to the truth. Even though you don't want the truth,you can't handle it. Hehehe. :)
I didnt say i didnt like it, im saying AvP is better.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2008, 09:19:34 PM
At least AvP:R was more faithful to its source material.
I want what you're smoking.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2008, 09:19:34 PM
At least AvP:R was more faithful to its source material.
I want what you're smoking.
That could be difficult, given I don't smoke.
I think its a draw but AVP R has better fights.
Wait do people actualy think Bishop in Alien 3 was the real alive Bishop???
...I smell predaboy!
Quote from: Yautja/Alien_lover on Feb 01, 2008, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 01, 2008, 08:52:40 PM
We can all make excuses we can all nitpick but all i can say is that Paul W S Andersons pg13 AvP was better Than AvP-R,it had better characters, better story, better fights, better setting, better acting, better dialog, better creature effects, at least had an actor we have all heard of and there was a myth about the alien and predators. And Colin says AvPR works with out AvP? how? cus there is no story there what so ever, so there some random predator ship that crash lands with an alien? great writing that.
^Lol. You're only saying the movie was without a story because you didn't like it,that's a pretty unreasonable belief,what have you been smoking? You're turning a blind eye to the truth. Even though you don't want the truth,you can't handle it. Hehehe. :)
Goodjob reading what he wrote. He said that Colin claimed AVP-R is a standalone film, although without seeing AVP you will have no idea what the hell is going on. He isn't turning a blind eye to the truth, he said the movie was worse in almost every aspect compared to AVP. ::)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2008, 09:49:37 PM
That could be difficult, given I don't smoke.
Injection or injestion, then?
How is AvPR faithful to
anything?
The sad thing about AVP R was he fact there wasn't anything memorable in it. No cool lines anyway but the fights were good.
They both suck equally.
Quote from: Craig on Feb 02, 2008, 06:21:02 AM
Quote from: Yautja/Alien_lover on Feb 01, 2008, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 01, 2008, 08:52:40 PM
We can all make excuses we can all nitpick but all i can say is that Paul W S Andersons pg13 AvP was better Than AvP-R,it had better characters, better story, better fights, better setting, better acting, better dialog, better creature effects, at least had an actor we have all heard of and there was a myth about the alien and predators. And Colin says AvPR works with out AvP? how? cus there is no story there what so ever, so there some random predator ship that crash lands with an alien? great writing that.
^Lol. You're only saying the movie was without a story because you didn't like it,that's a pretty unreasonable belief,what have you been smoking? You're turning a blind eye to the truth. Even though you don't want the truth,you can't handle it. Hehehe. :)
Goodjob reading what he wrote. He said that Colin claimed AVP-R is a standalone film, although without seeing AVP you will have no idea what the hell is going on. He isn't turning a blind eye to the truth, he said the movie was worse in almost every aspect compared to AVP. ::)
Yup i think its the other way round and fanboys are voting for AvP-R just because its the Newer movie, Oh and AvP was better paced, and one other thing what bugs me about AvPR is when wolf takes off his armor at the end, what was chet doing taking a shit?
I prefere AVPR more because it was a blast to watch. So it wasn't the best setting etc etc blah blah but it never was going to be a classic after AVP destoryed any potential for that.
Just liked it better because you could watch passively and not feel to connected to it and the predator was such a badass!
AVP-R all the way, no team ups!
Quote from: Craig on Feb 02, 2008, 06:21:02 AM
Quote from: Yautja/Alien_lover on Feb 01, 2008, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: shakermakerman on Feb 01, 2008, 08:52:40 PM
We can all make excuses we can all nitpick but all i can say is that Paul W S Andersons pg13 AvP was better Than AvP-R,it had better characters, better story, better fights, better setting, better acting, better dialog, better creature effects, at least had an actor we have all heard of and there was a myth about the alien and predators. And Colin says AvPR works with out AvP? how? cus there is no story there what so ever, so there some random predator ship that crash lands with an alien? great writing that.
^Lol. You're only saying the movie was without a story because you didn't like it,that's a pretty unreasonable belief,what have you been smoking? You're turning a blind eye to the truth. Even though you don't want the truth,you can't handle it. Hehehe. :)
Goodjob reading what he wrote. He said that Colin claimed AVP-R is a standalone film, although without seeing AVP you will have no idea what the hell is going on. He isn't turning a blind eye to the truth, he said the movie was worse in almost every aspect compared to AVP. ::)
I know what he said,I was just pointing out what he said about there being a lack of story in AVP:Requiem.
What a guy,he actually cares about a famous actor in AVP. Big freaking deal,no one really seems to give a damn about lame stuff like that.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Feb 02, 2008, 09:52:10 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 01, 2008, 09:49:37 PM
That could be difficult, given I don't smoke.
Injection or injestion, then?
How is AvPR faithful to anything?
Hm...well, actual Predator and Aliens for a start.
I like AVP-R better.
Only negative thing to say about AVP-R is that it's too dark
i love avp-r but i do agree that its was to dark but i heard there fixing that for the dvd release
Avp R is the better film. But Avp R is far away from a classic.
I rate Avp R 6 out of 10.
Avp 3 out of 10.
And here is how I would rank them 1 by 1.
1. Predator
2. Aliens
3. Predator II
4. Alien
5. Alien 3
6. Avp R
7. Alien RS
8. Avp.
I like AVPR more.Wolf is really great and the movie has more splatter and a faster presentation.
The only really sh*** in AVPR,is the lot to short enfight between wolf and the predalien.1 or 2 minutes more fighting szenes and the movie would be a lot greater.I hope for the DC the brothers read this and put more fightingszenes in the end.I would love it!
In AVP I only like the celtic-design and the endfight with the queen is very great.But the movie sucks in every point.I think it´s more a puppet-wrestling-movie for kids,as a Predator/Alienmovie.
I Liked AVPR better than AVP,the thing I didn't really like with AVPR was that the Aliens were retards sometimes :P
AVP-R had shit pacing and ish dialouge but other then that it was great and beat the shit out of andersons
Which one do you think is better?
Use this space to reek your revenge, with your ravaging opinions. Gud Luck!
And whoever wins, they lose! ;)
AvP-R by a mile. AvP had its moments but not enough of them...AvP-R had plenty.
Quote from: Gameoverman!GAMEOVER! on Mar 29, 2008, 01:16:57 PM
AvP-R by a mile. AvP had its moments but not enough of them...AvP-R had plenty.
Agreed.
Watch avp twice in a row or AvpR twice in a row? The choice is easy ;)
AVP-R ;D
Do 3 ppl count as a general consensus? lol
AVP is long, and has better characters, but AVP-r is short but has no characters, but lot's of action.
AVPR
AVP.
the movie was better than AVP-R. Im not saying it was good....but it is a better movie. it has character development, professional lighting, aliens dont look fake.
in terms of rating 2 movies I believe AVP wins hands down. AVP-R looks like something some high school students put together.
It's an extremely hard choice as both of them suck equally in their own ways. I would have to vote for AVPR, simply because it delivered on what it promised, maybe the characters were cardboard cut outs, but still, atleast we had some good fith scenes.
I voted for AVP-R hands down.
I enjoyed AVP, but my biggest problem with it was the whole very PG-13 feel the film had. It was a sugar coated AVP vision. You can tell the movie tried it's very best to not be too violent or too gritty. There are many cliche scenes in it, but through time I did warm up to it and just saw the film as a guilty pleasure.
I mean, you have to make a choice here, your a hardcore AVP fan, you can either stay mad at it and suffer forever, or just warm up to it because the truth is it's really not that bad of a movie. There is a fair share of people who really liked it, it did very well in the box office and the movie overall is entertaining.
AVP-R
Not a masterpiece of course, but the reason why I voted for it was because it felt more like a AVP film, just by the simple fact it was finally a hardcore rated R movie. For once we finally got a real tough good looking Predator. The Wolf has character, has a mission through out the film, the Wolf played a great role I felt. The characters this time where much easier to relate too and had something the other film didn't give most of the them......lines.
Less cliche in this movie, you can finally sit back and just enjoy it all. The action scenes were short, but short and sweet, and there were a lot of them! Each one hard hitting and violent. The Aliens were great, plenty of Alien death to go around and plenty of Aliens to run muk. Overall it was way more fun! More bloody, more violent, better acting, a phenomenal score and lots of fast paced action scenes to keep you seriously entertained.
-- I could continue all day talking about AVP and AVPR, but overall I enjoyed AVP-R way more than the first one. Even though, I ummm.... I seriously disagree on almost all levels with the negative reviews the fans have about these two films, this is just my opinion on them and in no way am I trying to change anyones mind.
Well written reviews PHANTOM, however I question your statement:
QuoteThe characters this time where much easier to relate too and had something the other film didn't give most of the them......lines.
Even though I prefer AvP:R over AvP, AvP definitely had better lines. Sure, the script was
marginally better at best than AvP:R's, but at least the characters were putting together sentences with more than 10 words in them.
AVPR.
A lot more action than avp and a lot more moments.
AvP
It's strory is miles better and it's setting is perfect. The script is bad, but it's still better than AvPR's and has more likable characters. It's plot is solid and not a mess like AvPR's. The Celtic vs Grid fight was just what I imagined; it was entertaining and was longer than Wolf vs Chet. The Aliens were deadly and actually concentrated on creating a Hive and capturing humans. The music was original and the overall movie was original. It played it safe by not introducing new breeding methods, which considering what we got, was good move. The new Predator weapons looked amazing and fresh as well as the look of the movie, had a cold look to it.
AvP: 3/5
AvPR: 2/5
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2008, 06:05:21 PM
Well written reviews PHANTOM, however I question your statement:
QuoteThe characters this time where much easier to relate too and had something the other film didn't give most of the them......lines.
Even though I prefer AvP:R over AvP, AvP definitely had better lines. Sure, the script was marginally better at best than AvP:R's, but at least the characters were putting together sentences with more than 10 words in them.
AVP had a better script I thought yes, but some of the lines were acted out very cliche and edited not so well to make it even more cliche, but not fatal.
It takes some warming up too lol, but thats me. I felt that AVP-R had a slightly better direction, there for the acting looked more realistic or less cliche. I felt very comfortable watching and listening to the dialogue in AVP-R, nothing stood out to me as "Hmmm that sounds pretty stupid".
In other words, I felt the acting was better in AVP-R, I enjoyed the characters, Dallas and the sheriff were great together I thought. Lex and Scar together in AVP, hmmm like I said.....
it takes some warming up too lol. AVP-R was less rough around the edges, much better mood and flow I thought. I still enjoyed both of them, thats where I stand.
Both movies did a lot of things wrong, that can't be denied. But ultimately, I prefer AvP:R.
AvP was just felt bland from beginning to end. Flat & boring characters, seriously, I didn't care for anyone one of them except maybe the blonde woman, the rest just wasn't interesting. And it's not because I don't want human characters in the movies. Bland colors, it just looked so... well... sterile might be the right word. Predators that looked like big, shiney, knights and moved just as gracefully. Dodgy, poorly acted and fake looking scenes, most of them in the Celtic Vs Grid fight. The horrible team-up. And then there's the PG-13 rating.
It was just one big meh. Though I've got to admit that the Pyramid setting was a fantastic idea, but it simply wasn't used to its fullest potential.
AvP:R took the Aliens to an inhabited town in present time, which wasn't really the brightest idea FOX ever had, but the people in that small colorado town were more relatable because they were just everyday people. The Predator is finally a Predator and easily on par with the first 2 Movies. The settings varied and were colorful, unlike AvP. And the action was finally worthy of the title Alien Versus Predator.
AvP had the better setting and script, but AvP:R is just more easy on the eyes and just more fun to watch. Deciding factor here being the word fun.
Fun indeed.
AVP-freaking-R.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 27, 2007, 04:15:06 AM
They both sucked.
But at least Anderson's Aliens were not useless and didn't look like men-in-suits from beginning to end.
Took the words right outta my mouth.
Requiem is a hundred times better than AvP. After viewing Requiem I left the theater overall satisfied with the final product.
AvP had be cursing from the time I left the theater to all the way home. It will always be a big pile of celluloid trash that can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
Of course a lot of people feel the same about Requiem.
They are about equal imo. If you combined the strengths of both you would get something quite decent.
Quote from: gameoverman on Mar 30, 2008, 11:55:36 AM
They are about equal imo. If you combined the strengths of both you would get something quite decent.
I can agree with that. If the BS had directed the first film we would've had a much better film IMO.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 27, 2007, 04:15:06 AM
They both sucked.
But at least Anderson's Aliens were not useless and didn't look like men-in-suits from beginning to end.
And at least the BS's Predator wasn't an overgrown monster on steroids that almost made out with a human female.
for my opinion you have to look at the two the 1st one had the clostophobia witch is from the alien movie's the next one wasn't close to any of the origanal's but to me avp-r win's
"And at least the BS's Predator wasn't an overgrown monster on steroids that almost made out with a human female".
^ That scene was pretty funny. But whats even more funny is how all of a sudden the so-called extreme Paul Anderson haters are now defending his film, amazing.
All I heard for about 3-4 years is I hate Paul Anderson, he raped my childhood, AVP sucked the big one!
Now I'm hearing a different tone......well atleast Paul Anderson did this right and atleast Paul Anderson tried to do that right and AVP was better because of this blah blah blah. Thats amazing, the fans are giving Paul Anderson props for certain things now.
Whats it gonna be? You can't be in the middle or else you'll drown :-\
Quote from: PHANTOM on Mar 31, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 30, 2008, 06:43:20 PM
But at least Anderson's Aliens were not useless and didn't look like men-in-suits from beginning to end.
That scene was pretty funny. But whats even more funny is how all of a sudden the so-called extreme Paul Anderson haters are now defending his film, amazing.
All I heard for about 3-4 years is I hate Paul Anderson, he raped my childhood, AVP sucked the big one!
Now I'm hearing a different tone......well atleast Paul Anderson did this right and atleast Paul Anderson tried to do that right and AVP was better because of this blah blah blah. Thats amazing, the fans are giving Paul Anderson props for certain things now.
Whats it gonna be? You can't be in the middle or else you'll drown :-\
Um...you quoted the wrong person there.
Darn quotes :-\
Quote from: PHANTOM on Mar 31, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
"And at least the BS's Predator wasn't an overgrown monster on steroids that almost made out with a human female".
^ That scene was pretty funny. But whats even more funny is how all of a sudden the so-called extreme Paul Anderson haters are now defending his film, amazing.
All I heard for about 3-4 years is I hate Paul Anderson, he raped my childhood, AVP sucked the big one!
Now I'm hearing a different tone......well atleast Paul Anderson did this right and atleast Paul Anderson tried to do that right and AVP was better because of this blah blah blah. Thats amazing, the fans are giving Paul Anderson props for certain things now.
Whats it gonna be? You can't be in the middle or else you'll drown :-\
Hey, I'm not defending his film. I would never do that b/c quite frankly, I can't stand it.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Mar 31, 2008, 12:29:00 AM
"And at least the BS's Predator wasn't an overgrown monster on steroids that almost made out with a human female".
^ That scene was pretty funny. But whats even more funny is how all of a sudden the so-called extreme Paul Anderson haters are now defending his film, amazing.
All I heard for about 3-4 years is I hate Paul Anderson, he raped my childhood, AVP sucked the big one!
Now I'm hearing a different tone......well atleast Paul Anderson did this right and atleast Paul Anderson tried to do that right and AVP was better because of this blah blah blah. Thats amazing, the fans are giving Paul Anderson props for certain things now.
Whats it gonna be? You can't be in the middle or else you'll drown :-\
When someone make a worse sequel, it makes you appreciate the original more. Such is the case with the AVP movies. Now, can i expect a retarded comment such as "but the sequel was better lulz!" from any fan boys?
You can expect me to say I enjoyed AvP:R more than AvP. If you don't like that fact...hard cheese.
AvPR is a more entertaining movie, but that doesn't make it a better one.
In my opinion AVP-R is a far better movie, at least the aliens & predator spent more than 5 minutes actually fighting on-screen. Sure people can argue that the characters were hollow, the setting wasn't great, & all sorts of complaints, but really, the characters from the first film were even worse in my opinion. The only thing it had going for it was an intricate storyline & a decent claustrophobic setting, which really wasn't used to its full extent in my opinion.
AVP was quite literally a boring movie, a cold shower in every sense of the word. It just felt bland & soulless from start to finish. The Strauses at least deserve some merit for breathing life back into some of the more classic alien & predator themes, such as the sound effects & music, not to mention the overall look of the creatures.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 31, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
You can expect me to say I enjoyed AvP:R more than AvP. If you don't like that fact...hard cheese.
Hard cheese? I think I'll use that one next time lol.
I like Parmesan cheese...
Quote from: Cellien on Mar 31, 2008, 05:49:15 PM
I like Parmesan cheese...
If I remember correctly that smells like feet. ;D
Quote from: PHANTOM on Mar 31, 2008, 05:40:43 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 31, 2008, 02:50:32 PM
You can expect me to say I enjoyed AvP:R more than AvP. If you don't like that fact...hard cheese.
Hard cheese? I think I'll use that one next time lol.
Heh, I heard it on
Are You Being Served Once and liked it.
Quote from: Stalker on Mar 31, 2008, 03:08:46 PM
In my opinion AVP-R is a far better movie, at least the aliens & predator spent more than 5 minutes actually fighting on-screen. Sure people can argue that the characters were hollow, the setting wasn't great, & all sorts of complaints, but really, the characters from the first film were even worse in my opinion. The only thing it had going for it was an intricate storyline & a decent claustrophobic setting, which really wasn't used to its full extent in my opinion.
AVP was quite literally a boring movie, a cold shower in every sense of the word. It just felt bland & soulless from start to finish. The Strauses at least deserve some merit for breathing life back into some of the more classic alien & predator themes, such as the sound effects & music, not to mention the overall look of the creatures.
I agree all the way.
I already posted a forum like this but oh well I am bored so I will say what I thought of each movie again.
AVP- was amazing to me once I left the theater I loved the movie at the time and ranked it 4th out of all the movies and still do. The effects were amazing, the 1st film where you get to see the whole Alien body with good effects. The action was great, I love the first fight with the predator and Alien I have watched that scene so many times. I for one actually liked the characters a lot there was no one I hated. I respect the fact that Anderson did the movie in Antarctica so that way there is no record of the Alien existence or at least proof. The music was awesome, I always thought Anderson chose good music well at least for Resident Evil and this film. The predator masks were very well done and the weapons as well. Also this film seemed more balance of who wins and loses. Both creatures fought equally as good to my eyes.
Complaints- I wish the film was set in space, either based off Steve Perry's book AVP PREY or the video game AVP2 through the Colonial Marines point of view. I wanted more Predators. I wish an other character besides the mane character could live for once. The movie could have been longer. Wanted to see Scar to fight the Grid Alien. I want to know what happened to Lex?
AVPR- I was pissed when I left the theater this time. I will say all the good things about the movie I can think of, We get to see a glimpse of the Predator home world. Cameron's Aliens return. Old sound effects. Good music .Fight scenes were good.
Complaints- The Movies is rushed through the whole film. All the characters suck. The acting sucked Terrible story, it took no skill of writing to create the story they had. It seemed as if they just played the game resident evil 3 and took that idea of run shoot and escape before the military carpet bombs the place. The movie hurts the Alien Franchise a lot , no one was supposed to know what Aliens. what the hell is the news going to say why Colorado was blown up. How many people would call families and warn them that Aliens are taking over. What happen to the 4 remaining characters also the special forces soldier knew what happened. I hate the fact we have a character who looks and sound similar to Ripley and that there is a character similar to Newt. This movie was very cheesy, not in a good weigh either I mean Molly never reloaded her M4 once, while the others did. I do not believe some punk that probably has not shot a gun or often shoots would be running at full pace and hit the predator multiple times. While yes the other films are cheesy but this felt different. The National guard scene pissed me off because they should have lived and be good characters like the Colonial Marines in Aliens, but instead the are killed very quickly The interview with the directors made it sound like this movie was going to have characters similar to the characters from Aliens and Alien but that was a big fat juicy lie. I want more then one predator in this film. This movie felt as tough it was a predator 3 do to so many countless Aliens dying by one predator. This movie mainly focused on gore and nothing else and beside the gore effects sucked anyways. In Aliens Drakes head did not melt off but yet in this film just a little blood form a facehugger will melt your arm off. That's all can think of right now. I can still not make up my mind what I truly think of the movie I believe I would have liked it a lot more if the characters were better. But oh well both movies could have been a lot better. But I still like AVP better. ;D
avp-r succeeded where avp didn't
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 01, 2008, 11:37:20 AM
avp-r succeeded where avp didn't
but it also failed where avp succeded.
where abouts?
i didn't think the character development was good at all in avp
Pacing, continuity, acting, characters, setting, lighting, dialog, and script are things off the top of my head that were better than AvP-R. Not perfect, but definitely better.
I disagree on the lighting part. I had an easier time seeing things in AvP:R. AvP only had flashlights once the action started. Plus AvP had that horrible monotone colour scheme Anderson insisted on. The trailers looked so much better with their deeper blues.
The trailer for AvP:R also looked better than the final film. AvP had much better lighting than AvP:R did I never had trouble seeing what was happening.
I honestly don't have a problem to see what's going on in both Movies. The only thing I dislike, is that I can't see the characters clearly enough in AvP:R. I like to see all those neat little details, especially on Wolf. But the action was never a problem.
Funny thing is, one of my complaints about AVP is, that everything wasn't dark enough. They were in an ancient Pyramid 2000ft below the ice, yet you could see everything clearly, even if they didn't have their flashlights with them. There were unexplained light sources all around the place. Like in this screenshot below.
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Where the heck does that freaking light on the other side come from?
There was a lot of scenes like that ^ like when Celtic is charging at Grid. Didn't bother me though, as long as I could see what was going on...
The only thing i didn't like AVPR is the lighting part.
Quote from: Dusk on Apr 01, 2008, 04:32:53 PM
I honestly don't have a problem to see what's going on in both Movies. The only thing I dislike, is that I can't see the characters clearly enough in AvP:R. I like to see all those neat little details, especially on Wolf. But the action was never a problem.
Funny thing is, one of my complaints about AVP is, that everything wasn't dark enough. They were in an ancient Pyramid 2000ft below the ice, yet you could see everything clearly, even if they didn't have their flashlights with them. There were unexplained light sources all around the place. Like in this screenshot below.
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Where the heck does that freaking light on the other side come from?
The pyramid was heating up, so it could have been a light-filter.
and they had light filters thousands of years ago?
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
and they had light filters thousands of years ago?
Risking to sound obvious here, but aren't they Predators, a species technologically far more advanced than us, with spaceships arriving on Earth thousands of years ago...?
::) ;D ;)
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 02, 2008, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
and they had light filters thousands of years ago?
Risking to sound obvious here, but aren't they Predators, a species technologically far more advanced than us, with spaceships arriving on Earth thousands of years ago...?
::) ;D ;)
yep, this about sums it up...thanks yutanidutch.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 02, 2008, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 02, 2008, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
and they had light filters thousands of years ago?
Risking to sound obvious here, but aren't they Predators, a species technologically far more advanced than us, with spaceships arriving on Earth thousands of years ago...?
::) ;D ;)
yep, this about sums it up...thanks yutanidutch.
the predator's taught the humans
how to make pyramids, the predators didn't make the pyramids.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 02, 2008, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 02, 2008, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
and they had light filters thousands of years ago?
Risking to sound obvious here, but aren't they Predators, a species technologically far more advanced than us, with spaceships arriving on Earth thousands of years ago...?
::) ;D ;)
yep, this about sums it up...thanks yutanidutch.
'Anytime'... ;)
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 10:22:54 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 02, 2008, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: YutaniDitch on Apr 02, 2008, 10:14:03 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 02, 2008, 10:10:40 AM
and they had light filters thousands of years ago?
Risking to sound obvious here, but aren't they Predators, a species technologically far more advanced than us, with spaceships arriving on Earth thousands of years ago...?
::) ;D ;)
yep, this about sums it up...thanks yutanidutch.
the predator's taught the humans how to make pyramids, the predators didn't make the pyramids.
well, those other pyramids probably yeh, but this pyramid with and in-built power core and with a queen 'jail'', yeh sounds like the humans made this pyramid.
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 01, 2008, 06:55:35 PM
There was a lot of scenes like that ^ like when Celtic is charging at Grid.
There's several dropped flashlights scattered throughout the area, and Stafford has one attached to his vest aswell.
The lighting in the shot Dusk posted is definitely unnatural. But then again tons of movies that take place in settings like AVP's use exaggerated or unrealistic lighting. In this particular scene the lighting gives much more emphasis on the closing/shifting wall, and eventually the shot of Sabastian nearly being crushed. Had Anderson and his DP decided to go for something more naturalistic I think the scene would've lost alot of impact visually.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Apr 02, 2008, 10:50:09 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 01, 2008, 06:55:35 PM
There was a lot of scenes like that ^ like when Celtic is charging at Grid.
There's several dropped flashlights scattered throughout the area, and Stafford has one attached to his vest aswell.
The lighting in the shot Dusk posted is definitely unnatural. But then again tons of movies that take place in settings like AVP's use exaggerated or unrealistic lighting. In this particular scene the lighting gives much more emphasis on the closing/shifting wall, and eventually the shot of Sabastian nearly being crushed. Had Anderson and his DP decided to go for something more naturalistic I think the scene would've lost alot of impact visually.
David Johnson, the AVP DOP, mentioned the difficulty of rendering the lighting on a dark setting like the pyramid one on the AVP Unrated Edition Disc 2... he stated that 'the darkness sells the scariness of a movie' and that it is always tricky lighting a scene with backlights and such in a setting like this and still make it dark enough so that the torches' use was believable and realistic...SO, lighting a dark setting is a tricky affair... Now, darkening shots on purpose with color-grading is another matter... hence why, in my op, AVP looked far better lit than AVPR... ;)
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 02, 2008, 09:59:40 AM
The pyramid was heating up, so it could have been a light-filter.
Why would there be light-filters?
Here's another scene that irritated the crap out of me.
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They are still 2000ft below the ice and it's even still night on the surface. So where does that bright light from above come from?
Same reason Aliens and Predators are fighting on Earth.. cause it's a sci-fi movie. At least it actually looks good. Other than that, there's no reason unless they are trying to get you to believe the pyramid has "come to life", which would be something done with artistic license.
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Don't you think they explained a little
too much in AvP?
Quote from: LukaKovach on Apr 03, 2008, 08:23:03 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Don't you think they explained a little too much in AvP?
hah, we know what happens when they show to little {cough} avp-r {cough}...
Quote from: LukaKovach on Apr 03, 2008, 08:23:03 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Don't you think they explained a little too much in AvP?
Hardly. Half the stuff in the film didn't make sense until the deleted scenes were released.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2008, 12:12:33 PM
Quote from: LukaKovach on Apr 03, 2008, 08:23:03 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Don't you think they explained a little too much in AvP?
Hardly. Half the stuff in the film didn't make sense until the deleted scenes were released.
Like?
Quote from: Craig on Apr 03, 2008, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2008, 12:12:33 PM
Quote from: LukaKovach on Apr 03, 2008, 08:23:03 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Don't you think they explained a little too much in AvP?
Hardly. Half the stuff in the film didn't make sense until the deleted scenes were released.
Like?
Namely why the Predators split up and why the pyramid kept re-configuring itself.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2008, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Craig on Apr 03, 2008, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2008, 12:12:33 PM
Quote from: LukaKovach on Apr 03, 2008, 08:23:03 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Don't you think they explained a little too much in AvP?
Hardly. Half the stuff in the film didn't make sense until the deleted scenes were released.
Like?
Namely why the Predators split up and why the pyramid kept re-configuring itself.
Wasn't it pretty obvious why the Predators split up when you see through the vision mode
focusing directly on the gun in the bag? Unless you're referring to something else.
Quote from: Craig on Apr 03, 2008, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2008, 02:13:31 PM
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2008, 03:33:37 PM
The only reason I can think of the pyramid reconfiguring was to keep the hunt going. Would've helped if that was explained in the film.
Don't you think they explained a little too much in AvP?
Hardly. Half the stuff in the film didn't make sense until the deleted scenes were released.
Like?
Namely why the Predators split up and why the pyramid kept re-configuring itself.
Wasn't it pretty obvious why the Predators split up when you see through the vision mode focusing directly on the gun in the bag? Unless you're referring to something else.
It would've worked better though had it been made more obvious by showing the Predators coming to the empty sarcophagus. I'm still wondering why Scar left the other two alone.
Well if you watch the deleted scenes, it was Celtic who told Scar to split up. Do not forget Celtic was the leader.
Quote from: Lyana on Apr 03, 2008, 03:13:47 PM
Well if you watch the deleted scenes, it was Celtic who told Scar to split up. Do not forget Celtic was the leader.
Key words: deleted scenes, i.e. not in the original movie.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2008, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: Lyana on Apr 03, 2008, 03:13:47 PM
Well if you watch the deleted scenes, it was Celtic who told Scar to split up. Do not forget Celtic was the leader.
Key words: deleted scenes, i.e. not in the original movie.
That was the whole point of deleting the scene. Showing the predators walking up to the empty sarcophagus will give away their intentions. Anderson was smart to delete the scene because it doesn't show the viewer "LOOK HUMANS TOOK THE GUNS NOW THE PREDATORS ARE GUNNA CHASE DEM, GUESS WHAT HUPPENZ NOW".
No offense, but it was really easy to figure it out and left the mystery in there a bit. Showing predators just walking around in AVP-R took away that mystery. Some things are better left to the imagination.
you could tell celtic was the leader because the first time you see the predators on Antarctica
when they reveal themselves after deactivating their cloaking device. You can see scar and
gill on both sides, and celtic in middle, i don't know why but the leader always seems to be in the
middle in either films or reality.
But overall boys that answers your question. You only wanted to know why.
I don't want to vote until I've seen the unrated cut of AVP:R, but as of now, I have to say I like AVP better. I feel the film just got more "more important things" right than AVP:R did. AVP:R was good (albeit skewed), but it had a lot of nice touches to the little things. Quite a few of the big elements were horribly ruined, imo though. I won't go into detail now. Not until after I see the unrated cut. Either way, both films were flawed yet enjoyable.
I also gotta say, it seems like fox is treating AVP:R's unrated edition much more like a true unrated cut than they did for AVP's. Which is unfortunate since there were a sh*t load of good scenes that were changed, edited, and completely ommitted. Even for AVP's "Unrated Edition". *sigh*
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Apr 05, 2008, 08:34:14 PM
I don't want to vote until I've seen the unrated cut of AVP:R, but as of now, I have to say I like AVP better. I feel the film just got more "more important things" right than AVP:R did. AVP:R was good (albeit skewed), but it had a lot of nice touches to the little things. Quite a few of the big elements were horribly ruined, imo though. I won't go into detail now. Not until after I see the unrated cut. Either way, both films were flawed yet enjoyable.
I also gotta say, it seems like fox is treating AVP:R's unrated edition much more like a true unrated cut than they did for AVP's. Which is unfortunate since there were a sh*t load of good scenes that were changed, edited, and completely ommitted. Even for AVP's "Unrated Edition". *sigh*
You may be dissapointed. If you liked AVPR, you'll still like it, just a little better now, if you didn't like AVPR, you may be glad that they fixed up a few things, but overall, your opinion on the movie probably won't change much.
AvP
I think avo is better done, but I like AvPR better, Avp was kinda childish, and 'weird' acting, avpr fails in every way posible as a movie but I like th fight sequences a lot, even if theyr too dark.
Quote from: Da-Wolf on Apr 09, 2008, 01:39:44 AM
I think avo is better done, but I like AvPR better, Avp was kinda childish, and 'weird' acting, avpr fails in every way posible as a movie but I like th fight sequences a lot, even if theyr too dark.
I think that's the basis of why people like AvP-R more.... gore/fights. In this franchise, that's understandable, but I think AvP was more to my liking.
How's this for describing both films
AvP --> more drama
AvP:R --> more action
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 09, 2008, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Da-Wolf on Apr 09, 2008, 01:39:44 AM
I think avo is better done, but I like AvPR better, Avp was kinda childish, and 'weird' acting, avpr fails in every way posible as a movie but I like th fight sequences a lot, even if theyr too dark.
I think that's the basis of why people like AvP-R more.... gore/fights. In this franchise, that's understandable, but I think AvP was more to my liking.
it isnt understandable for this franchise, the alien and predator movies were never slashers, why should the avp movies?
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 10, 2008, 11:33:59 AM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 09, 2008, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: Da-Wolf on Apr 09, 2008, 01:39:44 AM
I think avo is better done, but I like AvPR better, Avp was kinda childish, and 'weird' acting, avpr fails in every way posible as a movie but I like th fight sequences a lot, even if theyr too dark.
I think that's the basis of why people like AvP-R more.... gore/fights. In this franchise, that's understandable, but I think AvP was more to my liking.
it isnt understandable for this franchise, the alien and predator movies were never slashers, why should the avp movies?
Gore=/=slasher flick
Before you start voting, i want you to give an HONEST opinion about how you felt about both of the movies and i want you to vote which movie you thought was a better film in terms of quality.
Nah, forget that. It'll take too long. AvPR.
Better in terms of quality?
Acting: AvP
Directing: AvP
Story: AvP
Creatures: AvP
Setting: AvP
Visibility: AvP
Really, Requiem got nothing right. Even the best part of Requiem, the musical score, was nothing but a rip off of Horner's and Silvestri's work.
avp got it right for the alien side of things and avp=r got it right for the predator side of things thats
all I got
QuoteBetter in terms of quality?
Acting: AvP
Directing: AvP
Story: AvP
Creatures: AvP
Setting: AvP
Visibility: AvP
It's a sad, sad day when Paul Anderson is the lesser of two evils.
Many people would say that Requiem has the R rating over AVP. But to be brutally honest, the violence & gore in Requiem felt so damn forced and goofy that I'd take the PG-13 rating anyday.
To me the violence in AVP felt natural and was handled with style & craftsmanship. Sure it really sucked that it was watered down, but at least it didn't feel forced.
I'm pretty sure that if someone shot at your head with a plasma gun, it would explode too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that if someone shot at your head with a plasma gun, it would explode too.
but not goofy cgi blood. and the originals never needed to be 'over the top' gorey, but avp-r was...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that if someone shot at your head with a plasma gun, it would explode too.
but not goofy cgi blood. and the originals never needed to be 'over the top' gorey, but avp-r was...
i guess the strauses went over the top with gore, but it odes make up for the ridiculously small amount of it in avp
I mean come on! people hanging upside down? why not skin them?
Was Paul W anderson aiming for a 3 year old audience?
my friends 3 year old son laughed in avp.
and cried in avp-r - just what toddlers should be doing in a film featuring the scareist creatures of all time.
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that if someone shot at your head with a plasma gun, it would explode too.
but not goofy cgi blood. and the originals never needed to be 'over the top' gorey, but avp-r was...
i guess the strauses went over the top with gore, but it odes make up for the ridiculously small amount of it in avp
I mean come on! people hanging upside down? why not skin them?
Was Paul W anderson aiming for a 3 year old audience?
my friends 3 year old son laughed in avp.
and cried in avp-r - just what toddlers should be doing in a film featuring the scareist creatures of all time.
it takes good camera angles and suspence to hold on the gore, avp-r didnt and look what hapened...goofy guts flying everywhere...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that if someone shot at your head with a plasma gun, it would explode too.
but not goofy cgi blood. and the originals never needed to be 'over the top' gorey, but avp-r was...
i guess the strauses went over the top with gore, but it odes make up for the ridiculously small amount of it in avp
I mean come on! people hanging upside down? why not skin them?
Was Paul W anderson aiming for a 3 year old audience?
my friends 3 year old son laughed in avp.
and cried in avp-r - just what toddlers should be doing in a film featuring the scareist creatures of all time.
it takes good camera angles and suspence to hold on the gore, avp-r didnt and look what hapened...goofy guts flying everywhere...
im just glad they took out those skinned predators. Because man, avp-r would have been a laughing stock if they left it in.
They looked like men hanging upside down with green jump suits on.
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that if someone shot at your head with a plasma gun, it would explode too.
but not goofy cgi blood. and the originals never needed to be 'over the top' gorey, but avp-r was...
i guess the strauses went over the top with gore, but it odes make up for the ridiculously small amount of it in avp
I mean come on! people hanging upside down? why not skin them?
Was Paul W anderson aiming for a 3 year old audience?
my friends 3 year old son laughed in avp.
and cried in avp-r - just what toddlers should be doing in a film featuring the scareist creatures of all time.
it takes good camera angles and suspence to hold on the gore, avp-r didnt and look what hapened...goofy guts flying everywhere...
im just glad they took out those skinned predators. Because man, avp-r would have been a laughing stock if they left it in.
They looked like men hanging upside down with green jump suits on.
it still is a laughing stock...even the general public didnt like it...
they also expected to see a laughing stock after their reaction to the first avp,
if a third one came out, they will also come in to expect another mindless laughing stock,
thats why we need a good writer and director to prove them wrong.
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 09:27:57 AM
they also expected to see a laughing stock after their reaction to the first avp,
if a third one came out, they will also come in to expect another mindless laughing stock,
thats why we need a good writer and director to prove them wrong.
thats what ive been trying to say!....good to hear you agree...
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 09:19:04 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Apr 11, 2008, 09:11:52 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 11, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 10, 2008, 07:31:19 PM
I'm pretty sure that if someone shot at your head with a plasma gun, it would explode too.
but not goofy cgi blood. and the originals never needed to be 'over the top' gorey, but avp-r was...
I heard the unrated cut include's the skinned predator bodies hanging upside down behind Wolf in the crashed predator ship.
i guess the strauses went over the top with gore, but it odes make up for the ridiculously small amount of it in avp
I mean come on! people hanging upside down? why not skin them?
Was Paul W anderson aiming for a 3 year old audience?
my friends 3 year old son laughed in avp.
and cried in avp-r - just what toddlers should be doing in a film featuring the scareist creatures of all time.
it takes good camera angles and suspence to hold on the gore, avp-r didnt and look what hapened...goofy guts flying everywhere...
im just glad they took out those skinned predators. Because man, avp-r would have been a laughing stock if they left it in.
They looked like men hanging upside down with green jump suits on.
Well, I just saw the 'Unrated Edition' of AVP:R, and I can honestly say it's a much better film than the theatrical version we initially got. Very well done. Now, having said that, I must also say I still prefer AVP over it. I guess when all is said and done, it all boils down to the portrayal of the two species. I still have several gripes about it (as I still have gripes about the 1st film), but I enjoyed the unrated cut much better than the theatrical one. *thumbs up*
Also, I'm REALLY disappointed that quite a few of the ommited scenes I thought were being re-inserted in the unrated cut, were not. >:( Here I was thinking Fox was giving AVP:R's unrated cut the treatment the first AVP's unrated cut didn't get, when it got the exact same level of attention. lol So bummed. :( I guess that was rather foolish on my part. :-\
Talking to all of my customers today, and seeing my stock of AvP-R sell out.
The general public loved AvP-R.
I even heard from a few people, that it totally reminded them of Aliens, and Predator 1.
I looked at most of them with a dumbfounded face most of the time, but I guess if they liked it, and we sold out... Then it must mean something...
But... We also sold out of In The Name of the King also...
But not Juno...
So maybe my community is full of idiots...
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
I even heard from a few people, that it totally reminded them of Aliens, and Predator 1.
The style of the creatures was much more similar to
Predator &
Aliens than it has been recently in my opinion. It even brought back memories of those films for me, which was one of the main reasons I liked it.
Sure the actual quality of the film may not have been up to par in comparison with those masterpieces, but the music, sound effects & creatures were very reminiscent of the good old days of the A/P franchises.
Quote from: Stalker on Apr 16, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
I even heard from a few people, that it totally reminded them of Aliens, and Predator 1.
The style of the creatures was much more similar to Predator & Aliens than it has been recently in my opinion. It even brought back memories of those films for me, which was one of the main reasons I liked it.
Sure the actual quality of the film may not have been up to par in comparison with those masterpieces, but the music, sound effects & creatures were very reminiscent of the good old days of the A/P franchises.
I see what you mean, I know I am just far FAR more critical than them haha.
Quote from: Stalker on Apr 16, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
I even heard from a few people, that it totally reminded them of Aliens, and Predator 1.
It even brought back memories of those films for me which was one of the main reasons I liked it.
Sure the actual quality of the film may not have been up to par in comparison with those masterpieces, but the music, sound effects & creatures were very reminiscent of the good old days of the A/P franchises.
I argee with you. I like the movie that most because it was a action thriller just like Aliens and Predator where. The acting was bit bad (I seen worst) and the movie was too dark but it still a good movie. I can't wait to get the director cut of the movie.
Quote from: Stalker on Apr 16, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
I even heard from a few people, that it totally reminded them of Aliens, and Predator 1.
The style of the creatures was much more similar to Predator & Aliens than it has been recently in my opinion. It even brought back memories of those films for me, which was one of the main reasons I liked it.
Sure the actual quality of the film may not have been up to par in comparison with those masterpieces, but the music, sound effects & creatures were very reminiscent of the good old days of the A/P franchises.
I think you're right. In a sense of nostalgia, it may have triggered something in casual fans. Unfortunately, I saw right through that and found an awfully made film.
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 16, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: Stalker on Apr 16, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
I even heard from a few people, that it totally reminded them of Aliens, and Predator 1.
The style of the creatures was much more similar to Predator & Aliens than it has been recently in my opinion. It even brought back memories of those films for me, which was one of the main reasons I liked it.
Sure the actual quality of the film may not have been up to par in comparison with those masterpieces, but the music, sound effects & creatures were very reminiscent of the good old days of the A/P franchises.
I think you're right. In a sense of nostalgia, it may have triggered something in casual fans. Unfortunately, I saw right through that and found an awfully made film.
It sucks being
slightly obsessed. :'(
Quote from: severen76 on Apr 16, 2008, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 16, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: Stalker on Apr 16, 2008, 08:07:41 AM
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
I even heard from a few people, that it totally reminded them of Aliens, and Predator 1.
The style of the creatures was much more similar to Predator & Aliens than it has been recently in my opinion. It even brought back memories of those films for me, which was one of the main reasons I liked it.
Sure the actual quality of the film may not have been up to par in comparison with those masterpieces, but the music, sound effects & creatures were very reminiscent of the good old days of the A/P franchises.
I think you're right. In a sense of nostalgia, it may have triggered something in casual fans. Unfortunately, I saw right through that and found an awfully made film.
It sucks being slightly obsessed. :'(
Or just die-hard fans. :)
...yeah ok obsessed. :(
The first step is admitting you have a problem. :D
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
But... We also sold out of In The Name of the King also...
Are you kidding me? Who the hell wants to see that?
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2008, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
But... We also sold out of In The Name of the King also...
Are you kidding me? Who the hell wants to see that?
These people:
http://www.bollfans.com/
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 16, 2008, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2008, 06:19:30 PM
Quote from: Mikey on Apr 16, 2008, 07:31:36 AM
But... We also sold out of In The Name of the King also...
Are you kidding me? Who the hell wants to see that?
These people:
http://www.bollfans.com/
Wow...just...wow :|
But the majority far outweighs the Boll fans. It's like an Asylum movie selling out at Best Buy.
Well I work at Best Buy haha, that is where we sold out.
I couldn't believe it.
And I wish we sold Asylum at my store, I would laugh so hard if one of their films sold out.
And I would recommend those movies to customers I just can't stand...
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 16, 2008, 06:38:51 PM
But the majority far outweighs the Boll fans. It's like an Asylum movie selling out at Best Buy.
Yeah I was only kidding.. I have no clue who would buy that movie. It has Statham in it so it's possible people looking for a good blind buy action movie picked it up... Boy I feel for them...
One person I know told me he saw and liked it. I asked what he liked about it. He said it reminded him of Aliens.
Another kid (I saw the film with him) said with a grin "That was brutal!"
Quote from: Alienseseses on Apr 16, 2008, 07:21:06 PM
One person I know told me he saw and liked it. I asked what he liked about it. He said it reminded him of Aliens.
Another kid (I saw the film with him) said with a grin "That was brutal!"
Umm...cool? Should I give a thumbs up? Hey, that's expected though because they're the target-audience.
The first guy is in his thirties.
:D
Alot of people like AVP-R. Nobody I know liked AVP except for my little cousin. AVP-R is alot better than AVP (most movies are better than AVP), but the acting is mediocre at best and its too f**kin dark (looks clearer on Blue Ray though). The action and creatures alone made it good. f**k everything else. The 3rd movie will be better if they light a f**kin candle and get another writer. The bros werent the problem.
The acting was not that bad, i seen worst. The acting in 10,000 B.C. was even worst then AVPR and The Mist. The movie has the worst lines like "We sleep here, we hunt".
My sister likes AVP more because she likes snow, and AVP-R was too violent for her.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 17, 2008, 08:59:06 PM
The acting was not that bad, i seen worst. The acting in 10,000 B.C. was even worst then AVPR and The Mist. The movie has the worst lines like "We sleep here, we hunt".
Who brought up the Mist?
Speaking of mist, it was very foggy one day, and I realised that one great thing for atmosphere is a relatively open space, like a little street or the road under a bridge, with lots of fog.
I want to see that.
Not fog to the point that you can't see anything. Fog to the point that the sky is all white and things fade away the further they are.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 17, 2008, 08:59:06 PM
The acting was not that bad, i seen worst. The acting in 10,000 B.C. was even worst then AVPR and The Mist. The movie has the worst lines like "We sleep here, we hunt".
Yea, Ive seen alot worse. It didnt make me squirm in my chair like AVP did. AVP was painful to watch. I DO NOT OWN AN AVP DVD. Not allowed in my house.
AVP's actors acted exactly the same. Not a single one in the bunch that really stood out.
Well, maybe Miller.
Even Henrikson acted like everyone else. Slow, calm, annoying.
That's the director.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Apr 17, 2008, 09:05:30 PM
AVP's actors acted exactly the same. Not a single one in the bunch that really stood out.
Well, maybe Miller.
Even Henrikson acted like everyone else. Slow, calm, annoying.
That's the director.
Yea it was cause Ive seen that Lex chick and Miller in other movies and they were good. And we all know Lance is first rate.
Quote from: Alienseseses on Apr 17, 2008, 09:01:11 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 17, 2008, 08:59:06 PM
The acting was not that bad, i seen worst. The acting in 10,000 B.C. was even worst then AVPR and The Mist. The movie has the worst lines like "We sleep here, we hunt".
Who brought up the Mist?
Speaking of mist, it was very foggy one day, and I realised that one great thing for atmosphere is a relatively open space, like a little street or the road under a bridge, with lots of fog.
I want to see that.
Not fog to the point that you can't see anything. Fog to the point that the sky is all white and things fade away the further they are.
The Mist was great (I may buy it soon) but the acting was not that good IMO.
Although the acting for both films were rather bland, I personally found emotions were conveyed better in the first film. Not only that, there were more problems with the second film like plot holes, creature bias, unrealistic events, etc. AVP:R had many more, "lol yeah, right..." and "okay, why did that happen?" moments than the first film did.
I didn't care about emotions in the movie because i hate love and emotions scenes in movies.
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Apr 17, 2008, 10:21:09 PM
AVP:R had many more, "lol yeah, right..." and "okay, why did that happen?" moments than the first film did.
Oh I don't know. There may have been more, but they certainly weren't as bad, i.e. Scar & Lex teaming up.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 12:21:07 AM
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Apr 17, 2008, 10:21:09 PM
AVP:R had many more, "lol yeah, right..." and "okay, why did that happen?" moments than the first film did.
Oh I don't know. There may have been more, but they certainly weren't as bad, i.e. Scar & Lex teaming up.
What about the predator skinning a victim whilst trying to stay low key? and what about the predator slowly taking his armour and helmet off while the predaien just stood there.
Skinning the cop is Predator culture and taking off the armour was making the fight more challenging. Teaming up with a human was pussyfication.
It made the fight stupid, knowing that at any time Chet could kill Wolf....but didn't.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 12:27:57 AM
Skinning the cop is Predator culture and taking off the armour was making the fight more challenging. Teaming up with a human was pussyfication.
It is? sorry i missed where in the movies it stated this?
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 03:49:57 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 12:27:57 AM
Skinning the cop is Predator culture and taking off the armour was making the fight more challenging. Teaming up with a human was pussyfication.
It is? sorry i missed where in the movies it stated this?
I just missed the explanation as to why it was relevant in AVP:R.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 03:49:57 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 12:27:57 AM
Skinning the cop is Predator culture and taking off the armour was making the fight more challenging. Teaming up with a human was pussyfication.
It is? sorry i missed where in the movies it stated this?
It's never explicitly stated, but seeing as how three Predators have done it, it seems pretty routine.
Quote from: severen76 on Apr 18, 2008, 12:30:14 AM
It made the fight stupid, knowing that at any time Chet could kill Wolf....but didn't.
Technically you could argue she did, since her tail went through Wolf's chest.
QuoteIt's never explicitly stated
well of course...
Quotebut seeing as how three Predators have done it, it seems pretty routine.
well this is your speculation...not evidence..
Quote from: severen76 on Apr 18, 2008, 12:30:14 AM
It made the fight stupid, knowing that at any time Chet could kill Wolf....but didn't.
At anytime? Looked like an unarmed Wolf was giving her a hard time to me. Noone with an objectionable view saw what you did.
Yeah, not too mention several stupidly missed opportunities the warriors and "Chet" *lol* had to kill Wolf. Okay here comes the sarcasm, "Ooh! Let's have them swipe Wolf with their tails instead of impaling him." lol
Then their's the rediculous way Wolf was able to so easily man handle the warriors. That gave me a good laugh. Or how small and stupid they were. Or the razor whip being capable of severing the head off and even cutting a warrior in half. Or the shuriken pinning Jesse to the wall. And let's not forget, Wolf doesn't get to be burned by acid splash at point blank range because that would make him less of a badass. Afterall, all that armor the preds wore in the first AVP was unnecessary. The preds in the first two films didn't need it, why should they? And they looked like f***'n linebackers. ::) Quoth the Brothers Strause. :D
I can give you several very good reasons why Preds need the extra armor and weapons for battling Aliens if you believe the BS portrayal of both species in AVP:R.
Sometimes I wonder if the Strause Brothers were on something when developing AVP:R. :-\
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Jan 14, 1970, 11:41:32 PMwell this is your speculation...not evidence..
I'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
QuoteI'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
So you're saying that wolf took time off of his mission to make himself some human skin clothes...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
QuoteI'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
So you're saying that wolf took time off of his mission to make himself some human skin clothes...
I'm offering suggestions. How about instead of critising, you offer up brainstorms of your own?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
QuoteI'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
So you're saying that wolf took time off of his mission to make himself some human skin clothes...
I'm offering suggestions. How about instead of critising, you offer up brainstorms of your own?
oh ok, here it goes..wolf skinning the cop was a waste of mission time and made no sense whatsoever..
Both at my opinion are bad.
But AvP:R fell off more than avp cos there is no concept, only "promesses" from greg & colin... and lie.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
QuoteI'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
So you're saying that wolf took time off of his mission to make himself some human skin clothes...
I'm offering suggestions. How about instead of critising, you offer up brainstorms of your own?
I personally think it was the Bros. trying to pay homage and it didn't make sense.
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 18, 2008, 04:09:34 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
QuoteI'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
So you're saying that wolf took time off of his mission to make himself some human skin clothes...
I'm offering suggestions. How about instead of critising, you offer up brainstorms of your own?
I personally think it was the Bros. trying to pay homage and it didn't make sense.
That's my guess to. The real question is did they do it for themselves or for the fans? :-X
Quote from: severen76 on Apr 18, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 18, 2008, 04:09:34 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
QuoteI'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
So you're saying that wolf took time off of his mission to make himself some human skin clothes...
I'm offering suggestions. How about instead of critising, you offer up brainstorms of your own?
I personally think it was the Bros. trying to pay homage and it didn't make sense.
That's my guess to. The real question is did they do it for themselves or for the fans? :-X
they were trying to suck up to the fans without listening to the fans..
I think they thought the fans would love it. All they had to do was make it make sense and I would have loved it. Unfortunately, their attempt had the complete opposite effect.
I prefer Avp-r rather than Avp
AVPR because is got a lot more action than AVP and captures back some familiar sounds from Alien, Aliens, Predator(1 and 2), and Alien: Ressurection very cool ;D
Quote from: Cellien on Apr 18, 2008, 04:09:34 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Apr 18, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
QuoteI'm making an educated guess though. I figure there's a reason behind it, beyond mere entertainment on a Predator's part. We humans skin animals for their skin; we use it. Predators may do the same.
So you're saying that wolf took time off of his mission to make himself some human skin clothes...
I'm offering suggestions. How about instead of critising, you offer up brainstorms of your own?
I personally think it was the Bros. trying to pay homage and it didn't make sense.
It worked for me.
I find it very hard to believe the scout ship wouldn't have had any ship logs, or security and survaillance systems for such an advanced and intelligent race as the Predators. You also gotta wonder in the beginning, why in the hell didn't the one Pred set his self destruct sequence instead of messing with sending out that stupid distress signal. There was a freak'n Pred-alien on board, face huggers have broken out of the cryo tubes and were exiting the ship, he was gravely injured... time to f***'n nuke'em all!
Of course this is the same Pred who had enough brains to fire his plasma caster at the Pred-alien when it was in front of the hull. And Predator fans are upset with their portayal in the first film? Give me a break. At least their portrayal in the first film made some damn logical sense.
The whole movie was just poorly thought out.
QuoteI'm offering suggestions. How about instead of critising, you offer up brainstorms of your own?
Wait, why do I have to fill in the gaps to a scene that was only made as homeage to Predator, and in turn made the actual film more confusing. Screw that. They should make their writing more coherent.
I think AVP-R fixed some of the issues I had with AVP. But then made some new ones.
One thing that I loved about AVP-R was the opening title. WOW!
Blending these two creatures is very tough, the films these creatures came from are very different from eachother and putting them together has it's own problems.
From all the interviews I have seen, it seems clear that the studio has it's own vision for AVP. The Predalien design is a good example of studio pressure, I am sure ADI and the Bros. Strause know that the Predalien is an Alien that came from a Predator, But Fox wanted to be sure the general audience "got it".
AVP and AVP-R share the blame in the acting department.
I liked the setting in AVP better, Gunnison was just too big. If the town was smaller, like 500 people or under it would have been much better.
ADI can't make a Chest Burster to save thier lives! The Wolf was a great improvement. Ian is doing a great job.
The Aliens need work in both films but I liked the Aliens in AVP better. I have noticed in both films when the Alien is thrown down it's back tubes wiggle? I would like to see a taller actor in the Alien suit next time.
Fights, much better encounters in AVP-R, but the fights are short and lack common sense. I liked the long fight in AVP but the actual fight looked stupid. I kinda with the Wolf was more dynamic in AVP-R. The rooftop battle would have rocked if the used more CGI, I know I can't believe I just said that. But I really like the spinny move Scar used on the Queen in AVP.
Current poll results are both hilarious and depressing.
why is it that in this poll it says that avp-r was more liked by people on this site then avp was, when in this poll:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=16007.0
more people on this site say that avp-r made avp looked better by comparision?
Pred boys vs. Alien boys, there's your answer
The first film had a good concept... but many flaws.. I thought the predators looked silly, but (and this is my opinion) the aliens were the best i seen in all films in terms of creature design.. I did not like how anderson had the queen all stupid f**king huge when she escaped and came out in the end.... The acting was bad for all the humans.. but not too cheesy... The backflash scene of showing how the predators tought humans how to build etc,etc, was the major highlight of the film, and also the scene when the predator stabs the queen with that spear.. omg that was the sickest thing id scene in all alien or predator films combined...
as for the second film, I am still confused as to wheather i like it or dislike it.. It to has many flaws.. The main one i think is the acting... Just pure shit... some of the lines in that film had me asking myself DID I SERIOUSLY JUST HEAR THEM SAY THAT?? really unoriginal lines like WERE NOT GOING WITHOUT HIM, and MOMMY ARE THE MONSTERS GONE.. shit like that... things i did like about this film was that the predator was a badass in this one as in the first one the three predators were bitches... well scar was pretty cool i guess, but nonetheless his komrades were weak... The alien creature design in this film looked horrible, that is if you can see them.. which brings me to my last flaw i got to bitch about.. The f**king darkness... waaaaay to much of it.. I heard that the directors were trying to capture what Ridley scott did in the first alien film, that is a cool idea and whatnot but goddamn you could hardly see anythiing.... but the cool thing i like that the S. Brothers did with this film was that they went for the Gross out factor.. The gore was amazing.. The scene with that pregnant bitch was awesome.. So i am still confused to which i will vote for as of yet...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 24, 2008, 02:16:05 PM
Pred boys vs. Alien boys, there's your answer
Or peoples taste in action. And how important story and character development is. Regardless both films lack.
In my opinion, they both sucked ass, but I would choose AVPR over AVP any day of the damn week, except saturday.
avp-r because i found it had a better plot then avp and the predator actually could kill an alien on a 1 on 1 fight
AVP's story has a more epic feel to me than AVPR, and if Fox had let Paul anderson do the R rated version of his story it would be more blatently obvious why AVP is better than AVPR...
it's almost comical how a terrible story (AVPR) with R rated violence is what sways most fan's favor... in my opinion of course...
I voted for AVPR.
I don't think I need to say why.
Quote from: Nihilus on Apr 28, 2008, 01:05:18 AM
I voted for AVPR.
I don't think I need to say why.
Why don't you?
Coz he preferred it over AvP mayhaps?
Quote from: avpjunkie on Apr 28, 2008, 12:59:16 AM
AVP's story has a more epic feel to me than AVPR, and if Fox had let Paul anderson do the R rated version of his story it would be more blatently obvious why AVP is better than AVPR...
it's almost comical how a terrible story (AVPR) with R rated violence is what sways most fan's favor... in my opinion of course...
Yeah, I concur. IMHO, Paul's been given a really (unfair) bad rap for AVP.
Quote from: avpmad! on Apr 27, 2008, 05:56:01 PM
avp-r because i found it had a better plot then avp and the predator actually could kill an alien on a 1 on 1 fight
Because the Aliens were small. Because the Aliens were weak. Because the Aliens were dimwitted. Because Wolf can't be bothered with severe acid burns. Because the Preds in AVP were young and fairly inexperienced. Because the Bros. Strause are Pred fanboys. lol
I have to say Avp r was an improvement on Avp.
Eventhought the acting in Avp was Better the action and fight scenes in AVP R.
AVP's Fights were sort of short and would end when the fight would get good.
AVP R dident hold back on the gore like AVP did.
The Bros. did a great job in filming AVP R
Overall AVP R has my Vote
Voted for Requiem. Regardless of the situations that lead to AVP being what it is, Requiem was just a better product/film, in the end.
Enjoyed both, for the record.
Quote from: Sol on Apr 30, 2008, 11:01:54 AM
Requiem was just a better product/film, in the end.
As much as I can see people saying they liked Requiem better from a fan perspective, I'm having difficulty seeing how it was, in any way, a better movie.
It had better action at the very least.
in each film they lacked something but in the other film they have what the other needs
:P
Quote from: predator elite on May 01, 2008, 04:36:11 PM
in each film they lacked something but in the other film they have what the other needs
:P
What he said.
Quote from: SiL on May 01, 2008, 06:57:47 AM
Quote from: Sol on Apr 30, 2008, 11:01:54 AM
Requiem was just a better product/film, in the end.
As much as I can see people saying they liked Requiem better from a fan perspective, I'm having difficulty seeing how it was, in any way, a better movie.
You don't have to see it. It's how
I personally view them.
I know, I'm just finding it hard to see the justification.
I didn't give one.
I realise this. Hence the difficulty.
Don't let it perplex you. You have your views on which is film superior, and I have mine. Nothing to get all hot and bothered about.
Not getting hot and bothered. All I said was that I couldn't see why someone would think AvPR was a flat-out better movie, especially considering the consensus (not that you need to conform to it) says otherwise and was hoping to see some form of justification in case there was a viewpoint I missed.
Oh well. Whatever.
I really dislike both of these movies, but if I had to choose, it'd be AVP because it actually has some originality to it, and well, because of Lance Henriksen.
I voted for AvP-R.
Alien vs. Predator
The lighting was alot better in this movie but I just couldn't get into the setting. It just wasn't convincing for me. The storyboard of how Predators taught humans was neat and was a great visual but I hated the concept. I didn't get into the characters at all. This movie felt like a bad Jurassic Park movie to me. I couldn't stand the big bulky retard Predators or their rediculous wrist-swords. Mostly Scar, the Predator fabio and Lex. That was horrible. The most important thing is, these creatures weren't meant for a Pg-13 rating.
Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem
The Predator designs were re-glorified. I love it. The Aliens weren't bad. I liked them. I liked the movie having a dark feel but they could had some lighting. I thought the Predalien was great. I didn't mind the technique of how the Aliens were created. The acting wasn't very bad, I got into the characters. I enjoyed having the forest and town setting, I liked the nasty wet sewers. One certain was the hive scene. It could have been longer. This movie to me was like the correction of Anderson's film.
After Seeing AVP Again On My network tv Last night,I can Say that no matter how Bad AVPR Is I still Like it Miles Better,The Aliens in AVP look faker to me,With All That Slow Motion Shit going on,Why is it so bright in A Pyramid,Over A thousand feet beneath the Ice?Hell,Even on my copy of 'Requiem on dvd,Its not as dark as people say it to be,As soon as the Teamup came on I changed it,
No Matter How Bad AVP Requiem was,I Just like It Better
I finally watched AvP-R for a second time (Blu-Ray).. I dislike it MORE than I originally thought. I bought the movie hoping it would grow on me, but it's been the complete opposite. The creature suits and the rip-off musical score (even though it's an unoriginal score, it's nice hearing those nostaglic notes again) is probably the best thing about the movie. Everything else fails and fails hard. I firmly stand by my vote for AvP being the better movie of the two.
Quote from: SiL on May 01, 2008, 11:26:04 PM
Not getting hot and bothered. All I said was that I couldn't see why someone would think AvPR was a flat-out better movie, especially considering the consensus (not that you need to conform to it) says otherwise and was hoping to see some form of justification in case there was a viewpoint I missed.
Oh well. Whatever.
Speaking for myself, I prefer AvP:R b/c it has a nostalgic feel to it. For w/e reason, I feel like I'm watching something closer to the original films when it see it. I don't get that same feeling with AvP.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 06, 2008, 02:39:17 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 01, 2008, 11:26:04 PM
Not getting hot and bothered. All I said was that I couldn't see why someone would think AvPR was a flat-out better movie, especially considering the consensus (not that you need to conform to it) says otherwise and was hoping to see some form of justification in case there was a viewpoint I missed.
Oh well. Whatever.
Speaking for myself, I prefer AvP:R b/c it has a nostalgic feel to it. For w/e reason, I feel like I'm watching something closer to the original films when it see it. I don't get that same feeling with AvP.
thats what i felt the second time i watched it..
AVP=AVPR
feces=turd
I actually have the movies, and I'm going for AVPR MAN!!! Here are the reasons why:
AVP:
S***ty setting
Scar sucked
Not nearly enough Alien footage
The Queen was an idiot and wouldn't die (I mean they had to drown her for f***ing god's sake!) >:(
The preds sucked >:(
Bad sound, script, acting, concept, and creature design
MORE GORE, F***ING B****ES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
AVPR:
Bad human story (it's a f***ing alien war movie dips***s) ::)
Ending sucked but had a lead for a sequel
Great acting
Predalien rocks 8)
Pred handgun is sweet (RAAAAAAAAAAMBO!!!!!!!!) :)
Gore was way more than satisfying (GOREFEST! GOREFEST! GOREFEST!...)
Quote from: LittlemanJ95 on May 07, 2008, 12:55:45 AM
I actually have the movies, and I'm going for AVPR MAN!!! Here are the reasons why:
AVP:
S***ty setting
Scar sucked
Not nearly enough Alien footage
The Queen was an idiot and wouldn't die (I mean they had to drown her for f***ing god's sake!) >:(
The preds sucked >:(
Bad sound, script, acting, concept, and creature design
MORE GORE, F***ING B****ES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
AVPR:
Bad human story (it's a f***ing alien war movie dips***s) ::)
Ending sucked but had a lead for a sequel
Great acting
Predalien rocks 8)
Pred handgun is sweet (RAAAAAAAAAAMBO!!!!!!!!) :)
Gore was way more than satisfying (GOREFEST! GOREFEST! GOREFEST!...)
What!?
The acting isn't great in AvP but it's definetly better than AvP:R.
Quote from: severen76 on May 07, 2008, 01:02:20 AM
Quote from: LittlemanJ95 on May 07, 2008, 12:55:45 AM
I actually have the movies, and I'm going for AVPR MAN!!! Here are the reasons why:
AVP:
S***ty setting
Scar sucked
Not nearly enough Alien footage
The Queen was an idiot and wouldn't die (I mean they had to drown her for f***ing god's sake!) >:(
The preds sucked >:(
Bad sound, script, acting, concept, and creature design
MORE GORE, F***ING B****ES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
AVPR:
Bad human story (it's a f***ing alien war movie dips***s) ::)
Ending sucked but had a lead for a sequel
Great acting
Predalien rocks 8)
Pred handgun is sweet (RAAAAAAAAAAMBO!!!!!!!!) :)
Gore was way more than satisfying (GOREFEST! GOREFEST! GOREFEST!...)
What!?
The acting isn't great in AvP but it's definetly better than AvP:R.
Have to agree...unfortunately it was worse
Agree.. AvP-R acting was BAD.
How can you say AVP's setting was shitty? That was the best part of it, the set design was, as Paul Anderson would say "literally fantastic."
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 07, 2008, 02:52:31 AM
How can you say AVP's setting was shitty? That was the best part of it, the set design was, as Paul Anderson would say "literally fantastic."
I thought it was an idea but just didn't look great. It looked like it was filmed in a warehouse (which it probably was) trying to make it look like a pryamid.
Quote from: The Wolf on May 07, 2008, 10:21:43 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 07, 2008, 02:52:31 AM
How can you say AVP's setting was shitty? That was the best part of it, the set design was, as Paul Anderson would say "literally fantastic."
I thought it was an idea but just didn't look great. It looked like it was filmed in a warehouse (which it probably was) trying to make it look like a pryamid.
Bizarre opinion. Looked good to me. Not mindblowing like the sets in Alien but good enough.
Yeah, I don't know. It just doesn't look convincing. I feel they could of done something alot more convicing.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 07, 2008, 02:52:31 AM
How can you say AVP's setting was shitty? That was the best part of it, the set design was, as Paul Anderson would say "literally fantastic."
Set design and actual idea are two separate things. IMO, yes the design was perfect, but the
setting was shit b/c it's a dead end; not much that can be done with a pyramid vs. a small town.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 08, 2008, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 07, 2008, 02:52:31 AM
How can you say AVP's setting was shitty? That was the best part of it, the set design was, as Paul Anderson would say "literally fantastic."
but the setting was shit b/c it's a dead end; not much that can be done with a pyramid vs. a small town.
Exactly. The Aliens do great in the pyramid but the Predator didn't. But in the town its better for both. Aliens get their places they work best and the Predator has its hunting grounds.
I liked AvP's settings. The pyramid, and the snowy Whaling Station were sweet. Definitely one of the things AvP has going for it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 08, 2008, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 07, 2008, 02:52:31 AM
How can you say AVP's setting was shitty? That was the best part of it, the set design was, as Paul Anderson would say "literally fantastic."
Set design and actual idea are two separate things. IMO, yes the design was perfect, but the setting was shit b/c it's a dead end; not much that can be done with a pyramid vs. a small town.
Aliens do not belong in a kitchen.
Quote from: Craig on May 09, 2008, 11:45:49 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 08, 2008, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 07, 2008, 02:52:31 AM
How can you say AVP's setting was shitty? That was the best part of it, the set design was, as Paul Anderson would say "literally fantastic."
Set design and actual idea are two separate things. IMO, yes the design was perfect, but the setting was shit b/c it's a dead end; not much that can be done with a pyramid vs. a small town.
Aliens do not belong in a kitchen.
Really? Guess you missed the kitchen in
Alien.
A full grown Alien opens a damn door, basically saying "Peek-a-boo!" to Carrie(I think that was her name), in a very man-in-a-suit manner.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 09, 2008, 03:02:55 PM
Really? Guess you missed the kitchen in Alien.
Nice try, but the chestburster is only ever in the dining area, not the kitchenette. Aliens do belong in a dining room. ;)
Last time I checked a chestburster was an Alien.
A chestburster that's not in the kitchen. Thanks for proving nothing.
AVP:
Unfortunately this film was a piece of sh!t. And that's understandable once you see writer and director is Paul W.S. Anderson great F@cker-upper of such great game series as Resident Evil and Mortal Kombat. He even got the title wrong, It's Aliens vs. Preadtor not Alien vs. Predator, that was 2-3 videogames back in the early ninties. It's only good while you're watching it then you think when it's done and look back, "what the hell?!"
Problems:
1. the title
2. Predators dispalyed as honorless killers.
3. Aliens on Earth, what the hell?!
4. Problem 3 makes Ripely's death in Alien 3 even more pointless.
5. it was F@cking PG-13!
6. Shoulder cannons were too huge.
7. Predators didn't arrive with shoulder cannons.
AVP-R
An improvement to say the least. Shame Lance Henrickson was in AVP, and not AVP-R.
Problems:
1. still on earth
2. no queen
3. no real winner in this one
4. the Pred-Alien becoming part queen
I think AVP-R was much better...
It's been said before and it shall be said again: both films had something the other lacked. AvP:R IMO was better than AvP, but that isn't saying much.
AvPR had all the problems of the original minus the teamup, compounded by a complete lack of internal logic, let alone logic with the other films, and a worse plot.
QuoteAvPR had all the problems of the original minus the teamup
Not true at all.
It had blood this time arround, fixed predator, better aliens and didnt waste the first half of the movie.
Quotecompounded by a complete lack of internal logic
Whats so un-logic about a spaceship crashing on earth releasing aliens on a small town??
Quoteand a worse plot.
f**k the pyramid build by Predators for a f**king blooding ritual, i´ll take a clean up job and a small town anyday.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 12:43:47 PM
It had blood this time arround, fixed predator, better aliens and didnt waste the first half of the movie.
LOL!
right, and AVP had better predators. :P
Quote from: marrerom on May 12, 2008, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 12:43:47 PM
It had blood this time arround, fixed predator, better aliens and didnt waste the first half of the movie.
LOL! right, and AVP had better predators. :P
I like the cameron aliens better then the avp ones.
The Cameron aliens didn't flail around like retards and do completely nothing when being attacked (because they actually did attack). The gore wasn't an improvement at all with the awful CGI.
Quote from: Craig on May 12, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
The Cameron aliens didn't flail around like retards and do completely nothing when being attacked (because they actually did attack). The gore wasn't an improvement at all with the awful CGI.
The cgi effects in this movie are amazing.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: Craig on May 12, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
The Cameron aliens didn't flail around like retards and do completely nothing when being attacked (because they actually did attack). The gore wasn't an improvement at all with the awful CGI.
The cgi effects in this movie are amazing.
There's very little CGI to speak of in AvP:R. Aside from the gore that is, as opposed to AvP which had Aliens that were 100% CG rendered, save for one or two shots.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 12, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: Craig on May 12, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
The Cameron aliens didn't flail around like retards and do completely nothing when being attacked (because they actually did attack). The gore wasn't an improvement at all with the awful CGI.
The cgi effects in this movie are amazing.
There's very little CGI to speak of in AvP:R. Aside from the gore that is, as opposed to AvP which had Aliens that were 100% CG rendered, save for one or two shots.
Trust me, there is quite much CG use in AvP-R, its just that most of the stuff is unnoticed. Like the mountains painted in the Backgrounds in 3 shots, i would have never thought that this was CG.
The CG gore wasnt astonishing, but then again i have never seen CG gore that looks 100% real.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 12, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
as opposed to AvP which had Aliens that were 100% CG rendered, save for one or two shots.
What the hell are you talking about? The Aliens in AvP were predominately Animatronic or Man-in-a-Suit. There is quite a bit of CGI Aliens used, but they're mostly practical.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 12:43:47 PM
It had blood this time arround,
I said "problems". Look at how many people wank over
Aliens. Look at how little blood it has. The execution of the gore was lacking, but the amount never bothered me.
Quotefixed predator
In that Wolf was slimmer and, as I said, didn't team up with anyone. Wow.
Quotebetter aliens
...Yeah. Dude.
Totally. Those ribbed heads just make up for
everything else in AvPR! Those ribbed heads which look nothing like Cameron's ribbed heads, but whatever.
Quoteand didnt waste the first half of the movie.
I said problems. The problem wasn't the build up, it was that it wasn't a very good build up. AvPR had the same problem most of the comics and novels have; they open with action, then drown you with characters. At least Anderson had enough sense to keep all the action together.
QuoteWhats so un-logic about a spaceship crashing on earth releasing aliens on a small town??
Internal logic =/= the plot.
Quotef**k the pyramid build by Predators for a f**king blooding ritual, i´ll take a clean up job and a small town anyday.
Aaand that's good for you.
I'll take my Alien and Predator movies not devolving into teen slashers any day :)
QuoteI like the cameron aliens better then the avp ones.
If only they'd actually used the Cameraliens in AvP:Poo.
Quote from: StealthHunter on May 12, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 12, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
as opposed to AvP which had Aliens that were 100% CG rendered, save for one or two shots.
What the hell are you talking about? The Aliens in AvP were predominately Animatronic or Man-in-a-Suit. There is quite a bit of CGI Aliens used, but they're mostly practical.
It's CGI in the scenes that mattered, i.e. fight sequences. If they were animatronic, they weren't doing anything too important.
I think I worked out that it was less than 10 seconds of CGI Alien in the whole Celtic/Grid fight.
Quote from: marrerom on May 12, 2008, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 12:43:47 PM
It had blood this time arround, fixed predator, better aliens and didnt waste the first half of the movie.
LOL! right, and AVP had better predators. :P
AVP's Preds sucked. From their design, to their "skills" (or lack thereof). Wolf > All three.
Even though Celtic actually had a better fight and lasted longer than Wolf would have, based on what we saw of his fighting style.
Better fight my ass. Lasted longer my ass. My ass. Ass. My.
Ha.
But no, seriously. Those fat, stubby dumb Preds in AVP can kiss my ass. No amount of rebuttals will ever change how shitty they were.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: Craig on May 12, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
The Cameron aliens didn't flail around like retards and do completely nothing when being attacked (because they actually did attack). The gore wasn't an improvement at all with the awful CGI.
The cgi effects in this movie are amazing.
Yea, those CGI chestbursters looked umm....amazing? :-X
Transformers and Lord of the Rings effects are what you would call amazing (waiting for a "lol LOTR suckz" response) :)
and all the LoTR CGI is around 7-8 years old
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2008, 07:43:01 AM
Even though Celtic actually had a better fight and lasted longer than Wolf would have, based on what we saw of his fighting style.
What fighting style? Unless you're referring to the 10 seconds or so he stood in front of Grid initially
hoping to hit him with his blades :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2008, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2008, 07:43:01 AM
Even though Celtic actually had a better fight and lasted longer than Wolf would have, based on what we saw of his fighting style.
What fighting style? Unless you're referring to the 10 seconds or so he stood in front of Grid initially hoping to hit him with his blades :P
What did Wolf do? Oh, he managed to throw an alien down and punch it, which effectively paralysed the alien. ::) Nothing Wolf did was very impressive, he only won because the aliens were retards. Did Wolf ever do anything like the flying jump and spear tackle that Scar did? Nope. Wolf had it very easy - he barely moved in most of his fights.
Any of the AVP preds would easily own Wolf based on what we saw in AVP alone.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 12, 2008, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: Craig on May 12, 2008, 02:54:54 PM
The Cameron aliens didn't flail around like retards and do completely nothing when being attacked (because they actually did attack). The gore wasn't an improvement at all with the awful CGI.
The cgi effects in this movie are amazing.
Whoa. Say what? The CGI was far from amazing. CGI chest bursters come to mind! Not to mention a plethora of extremely fake looking gore...
Quote from: gameoverman on May 13, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2008, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2008, 07:43:01 AM
Even though Celtic actually had a better fight and lasted longer than Wolf would have, based on what we saw of his fighting style.
What fighting style? Unless you're referring to the 10 seconds or so he stood in front of Grid initially hoping to hit him with his blades :P
What did Wolf do? Oh, he managed to throw an alien down and punch it, which effectively paralysed the alien. ::) Nothing Wolf did was very impressive, he only won because the aliens were retards. Did Wolf ever do anything like the flying jump and spear tackle that Scar did? Nope. Wolf had it very easy - he barely moved in most of his fights.
Any of the AVP preds would easily own Wolf based on what we saw in AVP alone.
Just b/c the Aliens were stupid doesn't mean Wolf is a bad fighter. He could know martial arts for all we know.
Like a Power Ranger villain!
Quote from: gameoverman on May 13, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2008, 02:50:18 PM
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2008, 07:43:01 AM
Even though Celtic actually had a better fight and lasted longer than Wolf would have, based on what we saw of his fighting style.
What fighting style? Unless you're referring to the 10 seconds or so he stood in front of Grid initially hoping to hit him with his blades :P
What did Wolf do? Oh, he managed to throw an alien down and punch it, which effectively paralysed the alien. ::) Nothing Wolf did was very impressive, he only won because the aliens were retards. Did Wolf ever do anything like the flying jump and spear tackle that Scar did? Nope. Wolf had it very easy - he barely moved in most of his fights.
Any of the AVP preds would easily own Wolf based on what we saw in AVP alone.
The flaw in your argument is the Aliens were sub sequentially downgraded fighting ability wise, in turn allowing the directors/writers to portray Wolf as a superior warrior (compared to previous numb nuts in AVP). Whether or not they did it convincingly to Aliens fans is not the issue. Wolf doesn't "suck" because the Aliens [in Requiem] sucked. If someone else had to write Wolf (whose a superior hunter/warrior plot wise in the film) and the Aliens, and would have shown the Aliens to be more in line with their past incarnations (being much more aggressive/smart), thus pleasing all the "fans", he would have
still dominated them,
because that's the goddamn plot they were aiming for.
I've said this shit before, actually. You guys typically ignore this point I bring up, and go on about "
Wolf wasn't REALLY an elite Pred... because the Aliens sucked" ad nauseam. Stop that argument, altogether. It has no real ground.
SiL, my homie; just wanna clarify my feelings on the
AVP Preds. I feel the same way about them, as you feel about the
Requiem Aliens. But, the door swings both ways. I can't bitch too mcuh about their poor performance, simply because the script called for it.
Also, as you, I really hate their appearances (in film). Outside of the film (toys, art, models kits, they look decent).
Quote from: Sol on May 13, 2008, 09:34:50 PM
Whether or not they did it convincingly to Aliens fans is not the issue
It's entirely the issue.
And it's not just Alien fans.
Wolf is never seen doing anything remarkable. You
cannot say he's a better fighter because his
opponents didn't fight back. What we
do see him do is stupid and suicidal.
Celtic presses down on Grid's head, Grid fights back. Wolf presses down on an Alien's head, it takes it like a bitch. We actually see that Celtic is capable of fighting; Wolf is only capable of striking an "iconic" pose while the Aliens drop like flies around him. It's like those parodies of kung fu films in sketch shows.
Quotehe would have still dominated them, because that's the goddamn plot they were aiming for.
Yes, except this time he would've dominated them
because he was actually superior. It doesn't matter that the plot would remain the same; what we get is a completely incompetent fighter battling an even more consummately incompetent foe.
QuoteYou guys typically ignore this point I bring up,
Cos it's a bloody stupid point, is why. Our argument has the grounds of what's in the movie. Your argument is "He'd win anyway, so of course he's more awesome!" It doesn't work like that. You're completely ignoring what's blatantly shown in the film; Wolf is crap and the Aliens worse.
QuoteI can't bitch too mcuh about their poor performance, simply because the script called for it.
Again, that's just moronic. "Oh, well, the script called for it! That must mean it's perfectly fine!"? F**k that, good sir, f**k that
hard.
Celtic was shown to be a better fighter
because he actually fought. He got into a serious hand-to-hand fight with an Alien.
Wolf posed for a photo shoot.
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2008, 11:12:15 PM
It's entirely the issue.
No, you're
missing the point. You liking the way the various confrontations occurred means absolutely
shit. The outcome of the battles <Wolf winning unharmed> is the only factor I am referring too. If you think for a second, you being pleased with the battles has any retroactive effect on the fact Wolf is (supposed to be) a more skilled warrior (at the least, in comparison with AVP's lot), and is supposed to win the various battles within Requiem's script, then we have a problem, or rather you do.
QuoteAnd it's not just Alien fans.
You've stated a million times your an Aliens fan first and foremost, many times over here. Clearly I was implementing you, and the various others, that thereof.
Quote
Wolf is never seen doing anything remarkable.
He kills a shitload of Aliens. That's damned remarkable, and again, besides the damned point.
QuoteYou cannot say he's a better fighter because his opponents didn't fight back. What we do see him do is stupid and suicidal.
They did fight back, just f**king poorly, and unacceptable in the eyes of ones such as yourself. This wasn't a fixed boxing match. Wolf defeated his prey the old fashioned way. The Brothers Strause just failed to make you say "Yea, I liked the way that fight panned out".
QuoteYes, except this time he would've dominated them because he was actually superior. It doesn't matter that the plot would remain the same; what we get is a completely incompetent fighter battling an even more consummately incompetent foe.
Uh, yes. It does matter. It's
literally! the most important aspect. He was suppose to win. Portraying that to the satisfaction of you, or whomever has no f**king hold on this, at all. Don't be dense.
QuoteCos it's a bloody stupid point, is why.
Wolf will/would win, regardless of the director, with the plot given, thus "Elite Damn Predator". Stupid point? f**king hardly, bro.
QuoteOur argument has the grounds of what's in the movie.
Your "argument" is BAAAWW, the Aliens should have stabbed him left and right at several different occasions. Yea, because that's what they WANTED to happen. Yes, that's totally missing everything pertaining to this very post quoted. Awesome. Hurray for being oblivious to the simplest of subject matter.
QuoteYour argument is "He'd win anyway, so of course he's more awesome!" It doesn't work like that. You're completely ignoring what's blatantly shown in the film; Wolf is crap and the Aliens worse.
No. My argument is Wolf is :awesome!: because he was
supposed to be as such. How it was shown is not the point, or what I'm discussing.
Quote
Again, that's just moronic. "Oh, well, the script called for it! That must mean it's perfectly fine!"? F**k that, good sir, f**k that hard.
No, that's not what I said. Again, you're totally not getting what I'm saying. No, the fight sequences were far from perfect. Yes, would have been awesome to see a Wolf fight an alien with the intellect of the creatures from Aliens.
What I'm saying if someone portrayed the fights as the above, and if the underlined marks from the script were still held, Wolf would still beat their asses, until he drawed at Chet. What's so utterly hard to grasp about that. Do you disagree with that? If so, wow.
QuoteCeltic was shown to be a better fighter because he actually fought. He got into a serious hand-to-hand fight with an Alien.
Celtic made all the same mistakes your Aliens did in Requiem, and I do indeed pick that shit apart on the regular. Still, the script called for two dead Predators, and one to survive till the end, only to die by a embryo, that for some god forsaken reason, every Predator on the ship missed. Yea.
QuoteWolf posed for a photo shoot.
And he looked great. I'd buy that for a dollar.
Quote from: Sol on May 13, 2008, 11:35:03 PM
The outcome of the battles <Wolf winning unharmed> is the only factor I am referring too.
But that doesn't mean he's a better fighter.
If I shoot a guy, does that make me a better fighter than Jet Li? If I beat the crap out of a paraplegic, does that make me some skilled hunter? No!
QuoteThat's damned remarkable, and again, besides the damned point.
Again. It's exactly the point.
QuoteWolf defeated his prey the old fashioned way.
Since when was the "old fashion way" leaving yourself completely exposed to attack and only winning because your opponent was too mentally deficient to defend itself?
Did I miss something in history class?
QuoteIt's literally! the most important aspect
It's the
least important aspect. Who comes out on top doesn't determine who's better; how they get there does. Yes, Celtic died, but he put up a serious fight. Yes, Wolf won, but all he did was pose.
QuoteStupid point?.
Yes.
QuoteYour "argument" is BAAAWW, the Aliens should have stabbed him left and right at several different occasions.
Even ignoring the Aliens' incompetence, look at how Wolf fights. He leaves himself open to attack constantly. He's totally vulnerable in every encounter. That's not the mark of a skilled hunter.
Holy shit.
Quote from: SiL on May 13, 2008, 11:41:36 PM
But that doesn't mean he's a better fighter.
Huh.
Wolf wins. Better fighter. Message attempted to be sent to the viewer. Can it be said any simpler?
Quote
If I shoot a guy, does that make me a better fighter than Jet Li? If I beat the crap out of a paraplegic, does that make me some skilled hunter? No!
What in the holy hell.
Quote
Again. It's exactly the point.
I repeat, huh.
Quote
Since when was the "old fashion way" leaving yourself completely exposed to attack and only winning because your opponent was too mentally deficient to defend itself?
Did I miss something in history class?
...
Old fashion way = He didn't bribe them, via slipping them some cash to "play dead", while the ref counts to 10. They fought back (no matter how tragically), and he won.
Why are you not understanding this, is beyond me.
Quote
It's the least important aspect. Who comes out on top doesn't determine who's better; (Sol went "What?" here) how they get there does. Yes, Celtic died, but he put up a serious fight. Yes, Wolf won, but all he did was pose.
What I saw, was Wolf strategically stalk, and successfully kill a handful of Aliens amok. When in the sewer, he planted laser devices adjacent to him, and behind him, as he proceeded forward, and then arming them the second the Aliens made their presence known, successfully and tactfully, killing off several with a well placed, pre-meditated deterrences/traps.
And it's all irrevalant to my point.
Quote
Yes.
Absolutely not.
QuoteEven ignoring the Aliens' incompetence, look at how Wolf fights. He leaves himself open to attack constantly.
Make believe attacks that weren't in the film. If they did in fact, do these magical attacks, then you'd have a point. All you have is angry, Anti-Requiem fan faction, at the moment.
QuoteHe's totally vulnerable in every encounter. That's not the mark of a skilled hunter.
Indeed. It's the tell-tale sign, that the Brother Strause need to study how to make a better fight sequence, and that they possibly should have never touched this project.
If Celtic and Wolf went head to head, and Wolf came out on top, that would mean Wolf was better.
As it is, they went against different opponents. Different fights. Celtic didn't walk out of his, but he put up a good fight and was caught out by the inherent cockiness of all Predators - Even Wolf.
Wolf walked out of his fights, yet did nothing to show he was a more skilled hunter. The opponent Celtic went up against was a much tougher foe than what Wolf found himself up against.
Hence why I said, if I walk into a fight with a paraplegic and walk out, while a boxer gets beaten to death in a ring, it doesn't make me a better fighter. It means my opponent was so much easier. The boxer was the better fighter, the boxer was competent, but his opponent was a much tougher one than I had.
That's my point.
We can argue author intention all day, but when it comes down to it, what was intended plays a back seat to what actually happened. That's what I'm arguing. Based on what we see in the movie, f**k what the directors wanted, Celtic could actually fight. Wolf, not so much.
Your infatuation with Celtic is hilarious. Celtic got his ass handed to him by a single Alien. An Alien whom he had a strategic advantage against the entire fight. Cockiness, or not, he had him at several points throughout the fight sequence, but thanks to what we call in most circles, "Plot armor", the Alien miraculously pulls a fast one, and takes out Celtic with a single blow.
Just because the fight dragged on, doesn't mean he was the better warrior. Results, results, results. Celtic = 0. Wolf = a bajillion.
lol, Grid two and a half.
You're implications are utterly ridiculous, and I hope you someday see this for yourself.
My implications are based on watching the films.
Your implications are based on what was intended. Which as the franchises show, means jack shit.
Where, besides the end of the fight, did Celtic clearly have the upper hand? Where was it shown "Oh snap why didn't you just [insert action here]"?
Where was it shown that Wolf was anything but lucky?
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2008, 12:16:16 AM
My implications are based on watching the films.
Your implications are based on what was intended. Which as the franchises show, means jack shit.
Where, besides the end of the fight, did Celtic clearly have the upper hand? Where was it shown "Oh snap why didn't you just [insert action here]"?
Where was it shown that Wolf was anything but lucky?
Indeed. My implications were based on the intended plots of the films. You're upset about how the plot in Requiem, played out on a visual/aesthetics level, thus effecting your thoughts on the plot implications, which was "Wolf is the shit", and the "Aliens lacked what it took to take him out, sans Chet".
On the case of Celtic, he had several ranged weapons, dangling from his waist, which he could have used at any point. Yet, he chose to
swang his damned wristbaldes at Grid, like some kind of simple minded fairy.
Oh, Grid's tail bolted into the ground and thus began whining like some retard, and instead of delivering a easy blow to the body of Grid, he cut off the tip of his tail.
I rest my case, goddammit.
Clear case of plot armor btw - Grid's tail growing 30 feet, curling and lifting Chopper. Hilarious.
The original intention of Alien was that the Alien reproduced via turning people into eggs.
This didn't make the final cut, and so the Queen was introduced.
Same deal here. What was intended didn't make it on-screen, so it's stupid trying to say it means anything when there's nothing in the film to back it up.
Fortunately for us, egg morphing did make it back on-screen eventually.
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2008, 12:35:38 AM
The original intention of Alien was that the Alien reproduced via turning people into eggs.
This didn't make the final cut, and so the Queen was introduced.
Same deal here. What was intended didn't make it on-screen, so it's stupid trying to say it means anything when there's nothing in the film to back it up.
Entirely
not the same thing. The "egg concept" in it's entirety was cut. Wolf being the superior to the Aliens was shown.
Are you even trying, anymore? And great move ignoring my beautiful rebuttals. Great show.
Sorry, I didn't actually read your post because I knew what you were going to say regarding the whole "but it's there!" deal.
It isn't there.
Wolf does kill Aliens, yes.
Wolf does dominate those Aliens, yes.
No, Wolf is not a good fighter. He's beating up paraplegics.
As for the long ranged thing, yeah. Stop, grab a disk, open it up, and throw it, and pray the Alien doesn't do anything while you're doing so (perfect if it was in AvPR), or react immediately. As for cutting off the tail, that was smart. He took away the Alien's advantage and, as you see, Aliens have acid blood in AvP. Stabbing it while it was above him would've got him seriously burned.
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2008, 12:39:38 AM
It isn't there.
Wolf does kill Aliens, yes.
Wolf does dominate those Aliens, yes.
Point, match.
QuoteNo, Wolf is not a good fighter. He's beating up paraplegics.
According to you, and not the plot implications being given.
QuoteAs for the long ranged thing, yeah. Stop, grab a disk, open it up, and throw it, and pray the Alien doesn't do anything while you're doing so (perfect if it was in AvPR), or react immediately.
Like what, teleport out the way? The Alien better pray his aiming wasn't good, which judging by his swipes with his wristies, was poor.
QuoteAs for cutting off the tail, that was smart. He took away the Alien's advantage and, as you see, Aliens have acid blood in AvP. Stabbing it while it was above him would've got him seriously burned.
What Celtic did was give the Alien a ranged weapon (he seriously f**ked up, there), and then proceeded to stand in place, as the Alien flung (after what, three tries?) acid from his tail onto Celtic's chest, removing vital protection in the form of chest armor. Celtic is a tactical genius, I tell you.
Quote from: Sol on May 14, 2008, 12:56:26 AM
Point, match.
Nope.
QuoteAccording to you, and not the plot implications being given.
F**ck the plot implications. They don't stand for shit after the film has been released.
There were two times Celtic could've used his long ranged weapons, but he opted to charge at the Alien instead. The first time, the Alien was woozy and he tackled it through a pillar. The second time, it splashed him with acid. That's it.
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2008, 01:01:35 AM
Nope.
Yes. Yes, point match. You restated what I said from the get-go.
Quote
F**ck the plot implications. They don't stand for shit after the film has been released.
You're not even arguing on the same page. You're upset that Wolf wasn't accurately shown to be superior to characters outside the film (within the realms of your own personal standards), while acknowledging the bare bones purpose of Wolf, and his plot.
Somewhere here, you're doing something wrong.
QuoteThere were two times Celtic could've used his long ranged weapons, but he opted to charge at the Alien instead. The first time, the Alien was woozy and he tackled it through a pillar. The second time, it splashed him with acid. That's it.
Exactly didoodley. He had opportunities to easily take out the Alien, but failed to do so. Hello 'SiL's plight with Requiem's Aliens!
Double standard, much?
Do you feel that you have to be right, in spite of being absurdly wrong? Why can't you accept what's plainly in front of you. I pretty much agreed the fight scenes were less than stellar. I agree the implications of the script indeed has flaws. But I won't ignore the fact of what he was supposed to be, and while faulty, it was shown to be thus. Certainly, if this wasn't true, we wouldn't be arguing about said subject right now, now would we?
You have to acknowledge the core concept if you're going to say they missed showing it.
And all you're saying in this entire argument is "No, you're wrong." That's it. There's nothing to back it up, it's just "This is what they intended, therefor you're wrong."
Anderson intended for his Predators to be older and more experienced than the originals. Are we going to start accepting that as a fact now? You despise the AvP Preds, but lo! They're superior to the originals because that's what Anderson said!
It just doesn't work like that.
I'm not a fan of the Predators in AvP. I really do not care for Celtic. But I'm not blind. He actually fought. I can say he's a better fighter because he's actually seen fighting. Wolf isn't.
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2008, 01:12:26 AM
And all you're saying in this entire argument is "No, you're wrong." That's it. There's nothing to back it up, it's just "This is what they intended, therefor you're wrong."
No, no. The evidence of Wolf's superiority was made clear, several times. Several. You choosing to arbitrarily ignore it is a terrible fault of yours.
You're arguing semantics time, and time again. Wolf bested the Aliens in the same fashion as Grid bested the Preds in AVP. Opportunities missed, by creatures shown to be much more competent than they were portrayed to be in each flick. Yet, your obvious bias (towards Aliens) allows it to seemingly be Okey doeky in AVP, yet a total f**k up in Requiem.
There's something incredibly errorenous with this. You know, I know it. Everyone knows it. I seem to be one of the only members here, man enough to state the obvious.
Quote from: Sol on May 14, 2008, 01:21:55 AM
The evidence of Wolf's superiority was made clear, several times.
Over those Aliens, yes.
Over any other Alien? No. Over any other Predator? No.
Just over those Aliens.
QuoteYet, your obvious bias (towards Aliens) allows it to seemingly be Okey doeky in AVP, yet a total f**k up in Requiem.
Every single damned Predator has died because it was acting like a cocky asshole. Every single one. There's a precedence for Celtic's stupidity.
There's no precedence for Aliens hanging limp when in arm's reach of someone and not doing anything about it other than wriggle a little.
And now you bring up Vasquez and I sigh heavily.
No, I shall bring up absolutely nothing in rebuttal. I'm sick, slightly tired, and I have to work early in the morning.
It's clear that logic doesn't dictate the greater functions of your argument. Instead, you choose to argue, just to argue.
It's clear your beef would be constant, regardless of how the fights [in Requiem] played out, because you see it clearly the Aliens should win.
With all my current ailments keeping me from going reply to reply, in a pointless tornado of silliness, I'll just stop altogether, for the moment.
Hopefully, you snap out of this at some point. If not, whatever. No sweat off my brow.
Quote from: Sol on May 14, 2008, 01:21:55 AM
No, no. The evidence of Wolf's superiority was made clear, several times. Several. You choosing to arbitrarily ignore it is a terrible fault of yours.
No, no. The evidence of Wolf's superiority was made clear, several times by the poor judgement and decisions of biased directors. Several. You choosing to arbitrarily ignore it is a terrible fault of yours.
It would infact be better for you to stop this argument.
It's pretty cut and dry:
Wolf punches an alien - the alien is temporarily incapacitated.
Wolf gives an alien a slight push (the one by the elevator) - the alien doesn't get up for several seconds.
An alien jumps on Wolf - Wolf throws it over his shoulder, unaffected.
Wolf grabs two aliens by the throat and the flail around like retards.
Wolf sneaks up on an alien, despite the alien not having any eyes, twice.
All this shows that the aliens in AVPR were nothing but retarded.
The aliens in AVP were never shown to be better than predators, just that they can be at least equal in combat.
I'm so tired.
Quote from: HF on May 14, 2008, 01:53:58 AM
No, no. The evidence of Wolf's superiority was made clear, several times by the poor judgement and decisions of biased directors. Several. You choosing to arbitrarily ignore it is a terrible fault of yours.
It would infact be better for you to stop this argument.
You wholly contradicted yourself there,
HF.
What was the point to this? Why even post if you didn't plan on contributing something to the thread, other than straight nonsense? Raising your post count? Riding SiL's nuts? Either way, stop. Or keep going, doesn't make a difference to me, in the long run.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 14, 2008, 02:00:47 AM
The aliens in AVP were never shown to be better than predators, just that they can be at least equal in combat.
Did you not read anything posted in the past several pages? Let's not start hopping in, until everything stated previously by the two parties involved, is read, and understood.
I specifcally stated everything SiL, you, and whomever the hell else finds faulty with the Aliens in Requiem, the Preds suffered from in AVP. Everything.
It's hard keeping your cool, and being level headed with this, when everything brought up in this debate is f**king shouldered, and ignored, but utilized as if the validity of the claims only works in your favor.
No, how dare you. Shame on you, all. The sheer audacity.
Quote from: Sol on May 14, 2008, 02:41:52 AM
I'm so tired.
Quote from: HF on May 14, 2008, 01:53:58 AM
No, no. The evidence of Wolf's superiority was made clear, several times by the poor judgement and decisions of biased directors. Several. You choosing to arbitrarily ignore it is a terrible fault of yours.
It would infact be better for you to stop this argument.
You wholly contradicted yourself there, HF.
What was the point to this? Why even post if you didn't plan on contributing something to the thread, other than straight nonsense? Raising your post count? Riding SiL's nuts? Either way, stop. Or keep going, doesn't make a difference to me, in the long run.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 14, 2008, 02:00:47 AM
The aliens in AVP were never shown to be better than predators, just that they can be at least equal in combat.
Did you not read anything posted in the past several pages? Let's not start hopping in, until everything stated previously by the two parties involved, is read, and understood.
I specifcally stated everything SiL, you, and whomever the hell else finds faulty with the Aliens in Requiem, the Preds suffered from in AVP. Everything.
It's hard keeping your cool, and being level headed with this, when everything brought up in this debate is f**king shouldered, and ignored, but utilized as if the validity of the claims only works in your favor.
No, how dare you you. Shame on you, all. The sheer audacity.
I did read through the replies and none of your arguments convinced me where the preds were shown to be underpowered, while I just gave you a whole host of arguments why the aliens in AVPR were.
Celtic put up a good fight with Grid and even won right until the very end when he got cocky and then got owned (just like the predator in Predator 2 when he was about to kill Harrigan).
Gill was killed by surprise attack, paralysed through impalement through the spine so he couldn't do anything.
Scar pretty much dominated the aliens in most fights he was in except for one alien that gave him a surprise attack and impaled his shoulder and the Queen.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 14, 2008, 02:47:30 AM
I did read through the replies and none of your arguments convinced me where the preds were shown to be underpowered, while I just gave you a whole host of arguments why the aliens in AVPR were.
Apparently you didn't.
Most of the last page dealt with the Celtic "battle". "...none of your arguments convinced me..." is code for "Yea yea that's true, but I like Aliens more, and they should win, right?".
And don't know where "Power levels" came into the picture, but my blight is with the Predators sheer stupidity, not how strong they are. The latter is a result of the competence, or lack thereof displayed by the Predators.
Quote from: Sol on May 14, 2008, 02:41:52 AM
It's hard keeping your cool, and being level headed with this, when everything brought up in this debate is f**king shouldered, and ignored, but utilized as if the validity of the claims only works in your favor.
No, how dare you. Shame on you, all. The sheer audacity.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Quote from: Sol on May 14, 2008, 02:41:52 AM
You wholly contradicted yourself there, HF.
No I did not. I stated facts. No contradiction there.
QuoteWhat was the point to this? Why even post if you didn't plan on contributing something to the thread, other than straight nonsense? Raising your post count? Riding SiL's nuts? Either way, stop. Or keep going, doesn't make a difference to me, in the long run.
I posted this to show you how ridiculous this whole argument was getting. You called SiL a biased fan, when you really sound like the biased one here. I chose that little part to show you how ridiculous you were getting. Really having that "no no you're wrong" attitude won't help you at all.
QuoteAnd don't know where "Power levels" came into the picture, but my blight is with the Predators sheer stupidity, not how strong they are. The latter is a result of the competence, or lack thereof displayed by the Predators.
Well there you go. The exact same thing could be said for the aliens in avp:r. While on the other hand, you had quite capable aliens. Celtic almost won against a pretty good opponent, while Wolf pounded little whiny bitches. Yeah, Wolf is so superior, he was able to kill little weaklings. The aliens we saw in avp were portrayed as dangerous aliens. The aliens in avp:r were portrayed a way that not only diminished them, but Wolf as well.
This is mainly what SiL, gameoverman and I are trying to tell you.
I am in no way saying I like Celtic.
I am in no way saying he was a particularly good fighter. He was an idiot.
I am saying that, intentions be damned, Wolf is not a good fighter. End of. If we saw Wolf head against an Alien which responded to being attacked like any living organism would, let alone an Alien, then yes, he may have been shown to be a good fighter.
But he wasn't.
We can argue intentions all day. We can argue what they were trying to show until Kingdom Come, and a little bit further.
Or, we can look at what is so clearly in the movie.
The Aliens aren't defending themselves. Wolf's fighting style is suicidal and in no way indicative of how anyone should go about a fight.
The Aliens in AvP did, for the most part, defend themselves. Celtic's fighting style, while leaving much to be desired, showed that he was actually in some sort of a fight and showed he had some level of competency above "Strike heroic pose".
No-one who actually watched AvPR and pays attention, who considers for a second what they're seeing, can reach the conclusion that Wolf was an elite hunter. He just isn't. It's like watching Alien Resurrection and concluding Vriess is an ace marathon runner.
QuoteVriess is an ace marathon runner.
He wasnt?
Quote from: gameoverman on May 14, 2008, 02:47:30 AM
I did read through the replies and none of your arguments convinced me where the preds were shown to be underpowered, while I just gave you a whole host of arguments why the aliens in AVPR were.
Celtic put up a good fight with Grid and even won right until the very end when he got cocky and then got owned (just like the predator in Predator 2 when he was about to kill Harrigan).
Gill was killed by surprise attack, paralysed through impalement through the spine so he couldn't do anything.
Scar pretty much dominated the aliens in most fights he was in except for one alien that gave him a surprise attack and impaled his shoulder and the Queen.
1. IMO, that wasn't cockiness, it was just flat-out stupidity brought in by Anderson, nothing more. The Predator is P2
had to die b/c that's just the nature of the film's demands.
2. You're right
3. That's why he was fachugged, right? And, needed a
human to save his life what, three times at least?
Well, this is a very hard question because, I was only able to hear most of Requiem. :(
QuoteThe Predator is P2 had to die b/c that's just the nature of the film's demands.
That doesn't discount the fact that he
was acting cocky and stupid.
Quote from: StealthHunter on May 15, 2008, 05:47:50 AM
QuoteThe Predator is P2 had to die b/c that's just the nature of the film's demands.
That doesn't discount the fact that he was acting cocky and stupid.
where exactly is he cocky and stupid?
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 03:27:18 AM
Quote from: StealthHunter on May 15, 2008, 05:47:50 AM
QuoteThe Predator is P2 had to die b/c that's just the nature of the film's demands.
That doesn't discount the fact that he was acting cocky and stupid.
where exactly is he cocky and stupid?
He's referring to his death at Harrigan's hands.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 24, 2008, 03:35:31 AM
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Quote from: StealthHunter on May 15, 2008, 05:47:50 AM
QuoteThe Predator is P2 had to die b/c that's just the nature of the film's demands.
That doesn't discount the fact that he was acting cocky and stupid.
where exactly is he cocky and stupid?
He's referring to his death at Harrigan's hands.
well it was a mistake, making mistakes doesnt mean you cocky and stupid..
Quote from: Cinnamon on May 15, 2008, 04:07:02 AM
Well, this is a very hard question because, I was only able to hear most of Requiem. :(
would have helped if you actually looked at the screen..
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 03:41:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 24, 2008, 03:35:31 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 03:27:18 AM
Quote from: StealthHunter on May 15, 2008, 05:47:50 AM
QuoteThe Predator is P2 had to die b/c that's just the nature of the film's demands.
That doesn't discount the fact that he was acting cocky and stupid.
where exactly is he cocky and stupid?
He's referring to his death at Harrigan's hands.
well it was a mistake, making mistakes doesnt mean you cocky and stupid..
The mistake was made
because he was cocky and stupid.
Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 05:31:42 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 03:41:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 24, 2008, 03:35:31 AM
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Quote from: StealthHunter on May 15, 2008, 05:47:50 AM
QuoteThe Predator is P2 had to die b/c that's just the nature of the film's demands.
That doesn't discount the fact that he was acting cocky and stupid.
where exactly is he cocky and stupid?
He's referring to his death at Harrigan's hands.
well it was a mistake, making mistakes doesnt mean you cocky and stupid..
The mistake was made because he was cocky and stupid.
and yeh i ask again what did he do that was so cocky and stupid, going for a kill sht then getting a quick jab in the stomach could happen to anyone
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
i sill dont see your point, he underestimated harrigan, from what it shows he just made a mistakes but i dont see how at all he was cocky about it..
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
i sill dont see your point, he underestimated harrigan, from what it shows he just made a mistakes but i dont see how at all he was cocky about it..
Thankyou for proving my point.
AvP
+more that 1 predator
+good designed pyramid
-predator + Lex = love (WTF?)
-in the the part when Lex was holding ground and some guy was trying to help Lex get back.
Some alien came behind that guy. The alien killed him. Why that alien don´t killed Lex too?
AvP R
+Cool predator
+GREAT story
+Nighvision googles effect
+Predalien
-more mystakes tha in AvP
-End
So if you look at what i writed you must know that AvP R was TOTALLY better.
Quote from: Razziel on May 25, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
AvP
+more that 1 predator
+good designed pyramid
-predator + Lex = love (WTF?)
-in the the part when Lex was holding ground and some guy was trying to help Lex get back.
Some alien came behind that guy. The alien killed him. Why that alien don´t killed Lex too?
AvP R
+Cool predator
+GREAT story
+Nighvision googles effect
+Predalien
-more mystakes tha in AvP
-End
So if you look at what i writed you must know that AvP R was TOTALLY better.
Your post made no sense, figuratively and literally. AvP-R had a "GREAT story"? What theater did you watch it at? What the f*ck is a "googles effect"? "More mystakes tha in AvP"? So you're saying AvP-R is better for having more mistakes?
There's the fact that he mentioned more good points in the AvP part of his post too.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
i sill dont see your point, he underestimated harrigan, from what it shows he just made a mistakes but i dont see how at all he was cocky about it..
Exactly, he underestimated Harrigan. Someone who managed to not only lay him out with shotgun blasts,but also chop off his forearm
and put up a good fight with the Predator's own weapon.
Underestimating a combatant who proved himself to be that capable was not just a mere mistake, it was cocky and stupid.
The original the only thing I really liked about AvPR was mrs. Yutani. The rest I don't care about. I personally hate the predalient, but i do like the idea behind it. The grid alien was nice. The storylien 100% original. Come on, what else could you ask for? Well a better film granted but between the two, come on?
Are you praising AvP or AvP:R?
The first.
QuoteThe storylien 100% original. Come on, what else could you ask for?
Original compared to what?
If you compare it to the original AvP comics and the main thrust of Chariots of the Gods and the pyramid in Star Beast it's 0% original.
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Quote from: Razziel on May 25, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
AvP
+more that 1 predator
+good designed pyramid
-predator + Lex = love (WTF?)
-in the the part when Lex was holding ground and some guy was trying to help Lex get back.
Some alien came behind that guy. The alien killed him. Why that alien don´t killed Lex too?
AvP R
+Cool predator
+GREAT story
+Nighvision googles effect
+Predalien
-more mystakes tha in AvP
-End
So if you look at what i writed you must know that AvP R was TOTALLY better.
Your post made no sense, figuratively and literally. AvP-R had a "GREAT story"? What theater did you watch it at? What the f*ck is a "googles effect"? "More mystakes tha in AvP"? So you're saying AvP-R is better for having more mistakes?
It wasn't that hard to understand. It was just poor grammar. I agree the Wolf was cool. Obvously he's my favorite Predator. I love the story. Nightvision goggles weren't a big thrill for me but it didn't ruin anything. I love the Predalien.
Reply about AvP, All the Predator movies except for the original had more than one. The only thing I really enjoyed was the Predator, Alien, and Alien vs Predator action. I didn't like the designs of anything, the movie looked like it was filmed in a wherehouse which it probably was. Thats where it was killed for me. Same about the setting for Resident Evil. Now I don't know if thats because of Anderson or not but it ruins it for me anyway. And of course the team up. :-X It completely strips the scariness of the Predators. In AvPr the Predator weren't so scary either but thats because it wasn't a full on Predator film. Its all about how it follows the Wolf's mission and the spreading Alien infestation in the town. If it were a standalone Predator movie, I'm sure the Wolf would be shown less making him more scary.
Quote from: scholar on May 26, 2008, 02:45:29 AM
The original the only thing I really liked about AvPR was mrs. Yutani. The rest I don't care about. I personally hate the predalient, but i do like the idea behind it. The grid alien was nice. The storylien 100% original. Come on, what else could you ask for? Well a better film granted but between the two, come on?
Nothing is completely original. Nor is AvP's storyline.
Quote from: Sheriff Eddie Morales on Dec 26, 2007, 04:39:44 PM
I voted for AvP R.
I think AvP R is more good than AvP.
But anyways...AvP was good too.
avp-r is better
i wasted 5$ at video store on AVP in 2004...
I spent 12$ when i went but my copy came with a 20 page preveiw of the ADI book so it was worth it. I almost dident get it becouse when i went this dumb chick took 2 copies intead of one >:( and they where out luckily this employe had found one in the back that hadent been shelved. :D
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Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 24, 2008, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
i sill dont see your point, he underestimated harrigan, from what it shows he just made a mistakes but i dont see how at all he was cocky about it..
Exactly, he underestimated Harrigan. Someone who managed to not only lay him out with shotgun blasts,but also chop off his forearm and put up a good fight with the Predator's own weapon.
Underestimating a combatant who proved himself to be that capable was not just a mere mistake, it was cocky and stupid.
i could be going for a kill shot on a wounded lion but as i go for the kill shot it kills me, thats not cockyness thats a mistake...
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 28, 2008, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: StealthHunter on May 26, 2008, 01:28:16 AM
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Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
i sill dont see your point, he underestimated harrigan, from what it shows he just made a mistakes but i dont see how at all he was cocky about it..
Exactly, he underestimated Harrigan. Someone who managed to not only lay him out with shotgun blasts,but also chop off his forearm and put up a good fight with the Predator's own weapon.
Underestimating a combatant who proved himself to be that capable was not just a mere mistake, it was cocky and stupid.
i could be going for a kill shot on a wounded lion but as i go for the kill shot it kills me, thats not cockyness thats a mistake...
If you're standing there admiring it then it kills you, that's b/c you were cocky.
I don't think he knows the meaning of the word.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 28, 2008, 03:22:29 PM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 28, 2008, 10:58:09 AM
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Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
i sill dont see your point, he underestimated harrigan, from what it shows he just made a mistakes but i dont see how at all he was cocky about it..
Exactly, he underestimated Harrigan. Someone who managed to not only lay him out with shotgun blasts,but also chop off his forearm and put up a good fight with the Predator's own weapon.
Underestimating a combatant who proved himself to be that capable was not just a mere mistake, it was cocky and stupid.
i could be going for a kill shot on a wounded lion but as i go for the kill shot it kills me, thats not cockyness thats a mistake...
If you're standing there admiring it then it kills you, that's b/c you were cocky.
he was admiring his 'to be' killed of the day, not jumping around pretending to kill him and juping around while singing 'you cant touch this' now that would be cockyness
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 30, 2008, 01:02:50 PM
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Quote from: Craig on May 24, 2008, 07:08:08 AM
Going for a kill which he though he had in the bag? Just maybe that's why he got so close. It's not like he was going to throw a rock at him from the other side of the room to finish him off.
i sill dont see your point, he underestimated harrigan, from what it shows he just made a mistakes but i dont see how at all he was cocky about it..
Exactly, he underestimated Harrigan. Someone who managed to not only lay him out with shotgun blasts,but also chop off his forearm and put up a good fight with the Predator's own weapon.
Underestimating a combatant who proved himself to be that capable was not just a mere mistake, it was cocky and stupid.
i could be going for a kill shot on a wounded lion but as i go for the kill shot it kills me, thats not cockyness thats a mistake...
If you're standing there admiring it then it kills you, that's b/c you were cocky.
he was admiring his 'to be' killed of the day, not jumping around pretending to kill him and juping around while singing 'you cant touch this' now that would be cockyness
Thank you for re-iterating my argument.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 25, 2008, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: Razziel on May 25, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
AvP
+more that 1 predator
+good designed pyramid
-predator + Lex = love (WTF?)
-in the the part when Lex was holding ground and some guy was trying to help Lex get back.
Some alien came behind that guy. The alien killed him. Why that alien don´t killed Lex too?
AvP R
+Cool predator
+GREAT story
+Nighvision googles effect
+Predalien
-more mystakes tha in AvP
-End
So if you look at what i writed you must know that AvP R was TOTALLY better.
Your post made no sense, figuratively and literally. AvP-R had a "GREAT story"? What theater did you watch it at? What the f*ck is a "googles effect"? "More mystakes tha in AvP"? So you're saying AvP-R is better for having more mistakes?
Google effect = something like nighvision googles.
Yup AvP-R has great story (i knew that there will be someone to say that AvP-R had bad story).
YES AvP HAVE MORE MISTAKES!
AVPR had no story. All it was about was a predator trying to wipe out the aliens, and going about it stupidly. Predator had a simple plot too but at least it had a backstory (about the dual nature of their mission/Anna's monologue to Dutch and the history of the characters). AVP also had a backstory with the predators and Lex at least had a character arc that had something to do with the plot.
AVPR had nothing - the characters and their situations were totally incidental to the plot. It was just a bunch of random people and events and when they got killed no one cared.
I think it's best to compare it to a dumb 80s slasher movie.
Quote from: Razziel on May 30, 2008, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 25, 2008, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: Razziel on May 25, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
AvP
+more that 1 predator
+good designed pyramid
-predator + Lex = love (WTF?)
-in the the part when Lex was holding ground and some guy was trying to help Lex get back.
Some alien came behind that guy. The alien killed him. Why that alien don´t killed Lex too?
AvP R
+Cool predator
+GREAT story
+Nighvision googles effect
+Predalien
-more mystakes tha in AvP
-End
So if you look at what i writed you must know that AvP R was TOTALLY better.
Your post made no sense, figuratively and literally. AvP-R had a "GREAT story"? What theater did you watch it at? What the f*ck is a "googles effect"? "More mystakes tha in AvP"? So you're saying AvP-R is better for having more mistakes?
Google effect = something like nighvision googles.
Yup AvP-R has great story (i knew that there will be someone to say that AvP-R had bad story).
YES AvP HAVE MORE MISTAKES!
Buddy, there is
no story in the movie. Okay? You can't even say a "bad story", cuz guess what? There ain't no f*ckin' story to begin with, pal!
The word is goggle. Goggle. Google is the search engine.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 30, 2008, 11:04:25 PM
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Quote from: Razziel on May 25, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
AvP
+more that 1 predator
+good designed pyramid
-predator + Lex = love (WTF?)
-in the the part when Lex was holding ground and some guy was trying to help Lex get back.
Some alien came behind that guy. The alien killed him. Why that alien don´t killed Lex too?
AvP R
+Cool predator
+GREAT story
+Nighvision googles effect
+Predalien
-more mystakes tha in AvP
-End
So if you look at what i writed you must know that AvP R was TOTALLY better.
Your post made no sense, figuratively and literally. AvP-R had a "GREAT story"? What theater did you watch it at? What the f*ck is a "googles effect"? "More mystakes tha in AvP"? So you're saying AvP-R is better for having more mistakes?
Google effect = something like nighvision googles.
Yup AvP-R has great story (i knew that there will be someone to say that AvP-R had bad story).
YES AvP HAVE MORE MISTAKES!
Buddy, there is no story in the movie. Okay? You can't even say a "bad story", cuz guess what? There ain't no f*ckin' story to begin with, pal!
There is a story, albeit a weak one.
Quote from: Razziel on May 30, 2008, 06:58:06 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 25, 2008, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: Razziel on May 25, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
AvP
+more that 1 predator
+good designed pyramid
-predator + Lex = love (WTF?)
-in the the part when Lex was holding ground and some guy was trying to help Lex get back.
Some alien came behind that guy. The alien killed him. Why that alien don´t killed Lex too?
AvP R
+Cool predator
+GREAT story
+Nighvision googles effect
+Predalien
-more mystakes tha in AvP
-End
So if you look at what i writed you must know that AvP R was TOTALLY better.
Your post made no sense, figuratively and literally. AvP-R had a "GREAT story"? What theater did you watch it at? What the f*ck is a "googles effect"? "More mystakes tha in AvP"? So you're saying AvP-R is better for having more mistakes?
Google effect
Lol :D Sorry your post made laugh a little.
I like AVP more then AVP r because it had a better story, actors, creature design's(other then the predators face.), sets, and pretty much everything about AVP was better then AVP r.
To me AVP r was a cheap horror movie. It didn't feel like a Alien or Predator movie at all. :P
Quote from: aliensetta on May 31, 2008, 07:32:59 PM
It didn't feel like a Alien or Predator movie at all. :P
And AvP did?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 31, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
Quote from: aliensetta on May 31, 2008, 07:32:59 PM
It didn't feel like a Alien or Predator movie at all. :P
And AvP did?
alot more then AVP r did. AVP tryed to copy the feeling of the alien movies they didn't do very well but you could tell what they were trying to do meanwhile AVP r just felt like a cheap mindless horror movie.
I felt the opposite; AvP:R felt much closer to the originals than AvP could've ever hoped to.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 01, 2008, 08:04:24 PM
I felt the opposite; AvP:R felt much closer to the originals than AvP could've ever hoped to.
AVP r felt nothing like a alien movie and very little like a predator movie to me.
The scenes where the homless people are attacked reminded me of alien3. Maby it was just teh dog. RUFF!!!!!!! ;D
I was wondering about that the other day...I wonder if anyone else thought we'd get a runner Alien in this film since a dog was there :P
Well, you can't blame yourself.
"There are tons of different types of creatures on the rooftop! The shear amount is incredible!"
AvPR was such a disgrace to Aliens. It made the worst Alien movie Res, look pretty darned good.
It really felt like a fan film to me, bad lighting, poor direction, no plot, weak pathetic characters no one cared for.
AvP screwed up a lot of things but it was still more interesting at the end.
I respectfully disagree. I'll take the AvP films over A:R any day of the week. At least the AvP films wanted to do something entirely different.
Yea there unique we can at least give them that :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2008, 03:48:11 AM
I respectfully disagree. I'll take the AvP films over A:R any day of the week. At least the AvP films wanted to do something entirely different.
I have no love for Alien Res. at all. But I hardly see "Uniqueness" being the redeeming quality that makes the AvP movies better. AvPR was smattering of scenes from the Predator movies mostly. I didn't find it that unique. Since AvP already had Aliens fighting Preds, what made it incredibly unique?
AvP wanted to take both franchises in a new direction. How well they succeeded is another story that I'm not debating at this time. I am only offering my opinion.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2008, 03:57:21 AM
AvP wanted to take both franchises in a new direction. How well they succeeded is another story that I'm not debating at this time. I am only offering my opinion.
Ok, you just made an argument for the movies being unique or different however you want to look at it, But you provided no back up on why.
I mean I'm willing to agree that the AvP movies are better than Res. but not through uniqueness.
When I compaired AvPR to Alien Res I was compairing just the portrayal of the Alien species not the movies themselves.
I didn't make the point about uniqueness, Predator King did. So I can't answer that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2008, 04:06:24 AM
I didn't make the point about uniqueness, Predator King did. So I can't answer that.
QuoteAt least the AvP films wanted to do something entirely different.
It sounded like he was just agreeing with you. ::)
Im dropping this because I can see it is going nowhere.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2008, 03:48:11 AM
I respectfully disagree. I'll take the AvP films over A:R any day of the week. At least the AvP films wanted to do something entirely different.
And A:R
didn't? ???
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jun 03, 2008, 04:28:49 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2008, 03:48:11 AM
I respectfully disagree. I'll take the AvP films over A:R any day of the week. At least the AvP films wanted to do something entirely different.
And A:R didn't? ???
Not to me. I just see it as a cheap, unnecessary sequel that accomplished nothing other than pissing off
everyone. Th AvP films are probably more disliked than liked, but I doubt they've reached the universal level of hate A:R has going for it.
Not even close.
Resurrection:
BO $161 mill unadjusted (1997)
RT 53%
Metacritic 63%
IMDB 6.1
AvP:
BO $171 mill unadjusted (2004)
RT 22%
Metacritic 29%
IMDB 5.4
AvP2:
BO $128 mill
RT 15%
Metacritic 29%
IMDB 5.1
Adjusting Resurrection takes us up to $236 mill and AvP up to $188.
Seems the supposed 'universal hate' is directed at the latter two films. Mainly the last one.
Try again.
Quote from: SM on Jun 03, 2008, 06:53:10 AM
Not even close.
Resurrection:
BO $161 mill unadjusted (1997)
RT 53%
Metacritic 63%
IMDB 6.1
AvP:
BO $171 mill unadjusted (2004)
RT 22%
Metacritic 29%
IMDB 5.4
AvP2:
BO $128 mill
RT 15%
Metacritic 29%
IMDB 5.1
Adjusting Resurrection takes us up to $236 mill and AvP up to $188.
Seems the supposed 'universal hate' is directed at the latter two films. Mainly the last one.
Try again.
Yeh, i think SM is right, they took A:R a lot better than the avp series
but look on the bright side, at least he's letting you try again. ;)
I would use those ratings cautiously from MC and RT since those are straight critic and not fan reviews. They don't speak for everyone. And the IMDB ratings for either films aren't exactly worlds apart.
It doesn't matter.
There you have stats in terms of box office popularity, critical popularity, and fan popularity and Resurrection comes out in front in every regard. Often by a long way.
Thus making this - "the universal level of hate A:R has going for it" - bullshit.
Everyone has differnet opinions, AVPR was not that good but i like it better then A:R and AVP.
The key word is 'universal'. We're not talking about one persons opinion versus another.
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2008, 01:44:23 AM
The key word is 'universal'.
that makes me think...if an alien and a predator saw the movies, wivh one would they like the best ???
I thought AVP-R was awesome
Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2008, 01:32:49 AM
It doesn't matter.
There you have stats in terms of box office popularity, critical popularity, and fan popularity and Resurrection comes out in front in every regard. Often by a long way.
Thus making this - "the universal level of hate A:R has going for it" - bullshit.
You may know of David Stratton of The Movie Show gave it 5 stars because every movie has a different style which makes the series fresh. So he said that of Alien Resurrection.
I love it - it's a great, surrealistic, black comedy, comic book movie that is a joy to watch.
I enjoyed AvP-R a bit more. Wolf used more weapons and less wrestling moves such as the Preds in AvP did. Since it had an R-rating, it felt less held-back and the killings and battles were more enjoyable IMO.
Quote from: Parler The Spartan on Jun 15, 2008, 12:58:50 AM
I enjoyed AvP-R a bit more. Wolf used more weapons and less wrestling moves such as the Preds in AvP did. Since it had an R-rating, it felt less held-back and the killings and battles were more enjoyable IMO.
I liked it to man
*too
QuoteWolf used more weapons and less wrestling moves such as the Preds in AvP did.
Could somebody please explain to me what kind of wrestling moves the AvP Preds use,exactly? Because I sure as f**k didn't see any wrestling moves.
In Requiem however. Wolf pretty much chokeslams an Alien into a glass shelf during the store fight. And later during the Hive battle,he bodyslams an Alien to the ground before injecting it with the blue liquid. That's two more wrestling moves than AvP has.
Quote from: Craig on Jun 15, 2008, 05:47:00 AM
*too
do you realize you do look like a douche correcting everyone..
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Quote from: Craig on Jun 15, 2008, 05:47:00 AM
*too
do you realize you do look like a douche correcting everyone..
I'm not the one with a douche up my ass by the sounds of things. Someone needs to do it.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jun 15, 2008, 07:55:31 AM
QuoteWolf used more weapons and less wrestling moves such as the Preds in AvP did.
Could somebody please explain to me what kind of wrestling moves the AvP Preds use,exactly? Because I sure as f**k didn't see any wrestling moves.
Celtic standing in one spot and desperately trying to hit the Alien for one. Then the tackling of the Alien into the stone column.
Quote from: Craig on Jun 15, 2008, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Jun 15, 2008, 11:31:57 AM
Quote from: Craig on Jun 15, 2008, 05:47:00 AM
*too
do you realize you do look like a douche correcting everyone..
I'm not the one with a douche up my ass by the sounds of things. Someone needs to do it.
No you are the one with the douche. No one needs to correct anyone, its even more annoying than these mistakes.
About the wrestling, I think he meant the Predators from AvP went more head on with the Aliens using less weapons, untill Scar came around so that just means Celtic did.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 15, 2008, 03:18:56 PM
About the wrestling, I think he meant the Predators from AvP went more head on with the Aliens using less weapons, untill Scar came around so that just means Celtic did.
It wouldn't have looked as bad if the Predators weren't so damn big.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 15, 2008, 05:37:08 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 15, 2008, 03:18:56 PM
About the wrestling, I think he meant the Predators from AvP went more head on with the Aliens using less weapons, untill Scar came around so that just means Celtic did.
It wouldn't have looked as bad if the Predators weren't so damn big.
I agree. Although I think out of all of them, Celtic looked the best. He didn't have rediculously long dreads and wristblades. When he took parts of his armor off, he seemed like a normal Predator. Why couldn't have he made it?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 15, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jun 15, 2008, 07:55:31 AM
QuoteWolf used more weapons and less wrestling moves such as the Preds in AvP did.
Could somebody please explain to me what kind of wrestling moves the AvP Preds use,exactly? Because I sure as f**k didn't see any wrestling moves.
Celtic standing in one spot and desperately trying to hit the Alien for one. Then the tackling of the Alien into the stone column.
What?! :-\
Last time I checked, standing & punching or tackling weren't exclusive to wrestling.
Hitting and missing but wanting to look like you're hitting your opponent=wrestling.
Lol, aint that the truth.
No.. it's not.
He swung his wristblades a few times and Grid dodged the shots.Simple as that. Has nothing to do with pro-wrestling.
Oh, I was commenting on the definition of wrestling, not the movie... sorry :)
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jun 16, 2008, 02:26:40 AM
No.. it's not.
He swung his wristblades a few times and Grid dodged the shots.Simple as that. Has nothing to do with pro-wrestling.
And Celtic wasn't moving to go for another angle, b/c...
I don't know, maybe cause Grid was kinda whiping his tail at him? It's got to be pretty f**king hard to get out of position,when you have a 10 foot long razor sharp tail violently swinging at you in all different directions.
Wasn't it like 30 feet in AvP?
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jun 16, 2008, 04:28:16 AM
I don't know, maybe cause Grid was kinda whiping his tail at him? It's got to be pretty f**king hard to get out of position,when you have a 10 foot long razor sharp tail violently swinging at you in all different directions.
All the more reason to move. Backwards and forwards anyway, up close and personal he could've stabbed Grid, further away, the tail wouldn't have reached him.
I would rather have the style of fighting in AvP to Wolf holding helpless Aliens by their throats. I can't see where anyone could say that the AvP fighting is less realistic than the AvPR fighting.
I concure with DoomRulz and The Wolf on the wrestling
avp was good
avpr was better but had s*** lighting and i expected better
avp was good, when you watch it the first time and then when you watch it again and again you notice how many mistakes their are, the fight scene celtic and grid, how can a alien get rushed into a stone wall then get its head smacked against columns here there and everywhere, and still get up asif nothing has happened, but then scar queen fight when they tie her chain to the huge barrel thing, why did scar turn away from the queen, like you would really do that.
avp-r, i was really excited for ths because finally we where going to get to see a predator kick some alien ass, then the trailers came out, one after the other and then by the time the film comes out you have seen all the good bits, but i enjoyed it, the acting was terrible but the predator alien fight scenes made up for it, short but good, then you get the end of the film with dallas running away with the plamsa pistol then the predator that is sent to clean up the mess and leave no traces of the alien exitence has just let a human run away with his own technology, durrrrrr...
over all i thought avp-r was better was more true to the films with the blood and guts, but would have been better to see more then 1 alien kill someone a lot could be improved with both films
Quote from: avpmad! on Jun 22, 2008, 11:11:13 AM
avp was good, when you watch it the first time and then when you watch it again and again you notice how many mistakes their are, the fight scene celtic and grid, how can a alien get rushed into a stone wall then get its head smacked against columns here there and everywhere, and still get up asif nothing has happened, but then scar queen fight when they tie her chain to the huge barrel thing, why did scar turn away from the queen, like you would really do that.
avp-r, i was really excited for ths because finally we where going to get to see a predator kick some alien ass, then the trailers came out, one after the other and then by the time the film comes out you have seen all the good bits, but i enjoyed it, the acting was terrible but the predator alien fight scenes made up for it, short but good, then you get the end of the film with dallas running away with the plamsa pistol then the predator that is sent to clean up the mess and leave no traces of the alien exitence has just let a human run away with his own technology, durrrrrr...
over all i thought avp-r was better was more true to the films with the blood and guts, but would have been better to see more then 1 alien kill someone a lot could be improved with both films
At least it took more than one viewing to notice the mistakes in AvP. The AvPR mistakes are so blatant the first time I watched the movie I felt they were jumping out and smacking me in the face.
I don't think the Alien getting smacked around into pillars and being ok was a mistake. Ever try to squish a cow ant? A human can put there full weight on one and still not squash it. I think Scar turned and looked at the barrel to see if they had the chain hooked on yet. Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP. Wolf squashing Alien heads with a quick stomp of his foot. Grabbing and hoisting Aliens up one in each hand while somehow they can't hit him with anything, claws, teeth, tail.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP.
But I'd rather watch the AvP-R battles instead of the AvP predator on alien wrestling matches
Quote from: happypred on Jun 22, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP.
But I'd rather watch the AvP-R battles instead of the AvP predator on alien wrestling matches
The difference to me is that the AvPR battles aren't battles. A battle implies two sides struggling against each other to win. In every AvPR fight it is obvious who will win and there is no attempt to make it interesting at all. AvP may have battles that look staged, but at least there are two opposing sides getting their licks in.
Ok it is like setting up a match with a top UFC fighter and a regular Joe. You know the outcome before the fights even start.
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jun 22, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP.
But I'd rather watch the AvP-R battles instead of the AvP predator on alien wrestling matches
The difference to me is that the AvPR battles aren't battles. A battle implies two sides struggling against each other to win. In every AvPR fight it is obvious who will win and there is no attempt to make it interesting at all. AvP may have battles that look staged, but at least there are two opposing sides getting their licks in.
Ok it is like setting up a match with a top UFC fighter and a regular Joe. You know the outcome before the fights even start.
I concider it a battle no if we know whose going to win or not. Just because Wolf has the superhero affect does not mean its a battle. I do agree its cheap and not fair for the Alien fans but I can't complain to much, I loved all the Predator action in the movie and if any of the Alien fans are Predator fans too they should be able to enjoy that perspective of it too.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 22, 2008, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jun 22, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP.
But I'd rather watch the AvP-R battles instead of the AvP predator on alien wrestling matches
The difference to me is that the AvPR battles aren't battles. A battle implies two sides struggling against each other to win. In every AvPR fight it is obvious who will win and there is no attempt to make it interesting at all. AvP may have battles that look staged, but at least there are two opposing sides getting their licks in.
Ok it is like setting up a match with a top UFC fighter and a regular Joe. You know the outcome before the fights even start.
I concider it a battle no if we know whose going to win or not. Just because Wolf has the superhero affect does not mean its a battle. I do agree its cheap and not fair for the Alien fans but I can't complain to much, I loved all the Predator action in the movie and if any of the Alien fans are Predator fans too they should be able to enjoy that perspective of it too.
But if you have a preference for either creature, which is more likely than not, then perspective won't matter much. That's the problem.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 22, 2008, 04:47:37 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 22, 2008, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jun 22, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP.
But I'd rather watch the AvP-R battles instead of the AvP predator on alien wrestling matches
The difference to me is that the AvPR battles aren't battles. A battle implies two sides struggling against each other to win. In every AvPR fight it is obvious who will win and there is no attempt to make it interesting at all. AvP may have battles that look staged, but at least there are two opposing sides getting their licks in.
Ok it is like setting up a match with a top UFC fighter and a regular Joe. You know the outcome before the fights even start.
I concider it a battle no if we know whose going to win or not. Just because Wolf has the superhero affect does not mean its a battle. I do agree its cheap and not fair for the Alien fans but I can't complain to much, I loved all the Predator action in the movie and if any of the Alien fans are Predator fans too they should be able to enjoy that perspective of it too.
But if you have a preference for either creature, which is more likely than not, then perspective won't matter much. That's the problem.
What do you mean? I'm just saying it was a battle no matter if the Wolf cheaply kicked ass or not.
I think the AvPr battle are the opposite to AvP's battles. Celtic could of just as easily shank Grid in the face and finished it there when it was on top of him just like the Aliens could have tore Wolf up in AvPr.
I mean if you prefer the Alien over the Predator, then it ceases to just be "I WANT THE ALIEN TO WIN!!!!" If the Alien is the Predator's bitch for no reason, you'll be angry for that reason alone, not b/c the Alien lost.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 22, 2008, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 04:26:42 PM
Quote from: happypred on Jun 22, 2008, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: Flaming Firefox on Jun 22, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP.
But I'd rather watch the AvP-R battles instead of the AvP predator on alien wrestling matches
The difference to me is that the AvPR battles aren't battles. A battle implies two sides struggling against each other to win. In every AvPR fight it is obvious who will win and there is no attempt to make it interesting at all. AvP may have battles that look staged, but at least there are two opposing sides getting their licks in.
Ok it is like setting up a match with a top UFC fighter and a regular Joe. You know the outcome before the fights even start.
I concider it a battle no if we know whose going to win or not. Just because Wolf has the superhero affect does not mean its a battle. I do agree its cheap and not fair for the Alien fans but I can't complain to much, I loved all the Predator action in the movie and if any of the Alien fans are Predator fans too they should be able to enjoy that perspective of it too.
I have a lot of favorite sports stars. That doesn't mean I would like to watch a contest where the other guy took a dive so they could win. That is basically what AvPR did. It doesn't matter how good you are when your opponent isn't fighting to their potential.
Your only as good as your competition. The better the competition the more you have to elevate to overcome the competition. Everyone wins that way. I'm a fan of both Aliens and Preds, but I don't like the way Wolf won his fights as opposed to not liking that he won.
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Either way he still would have died most likely. The Alien vs. Pred battles in AvPR were very unrealistic in comparison to AvP.
But I'd rather watch the AvP-R battles instead of the AvP predator on alien wrestling matches
The difference to me is that the AvPR battles aren't battles. A battle implies two sides struggling against each other to win. In every AvPR fight it is obvious who will win and there is no attempt to make it interesting at all. AvP may have battles that look staged, but at least there are two opposing sides getting their licks in.
Ok it is like setting up a match with a top UFC fighter and a regular Joe. You know the outcome before the fights even start.
I concider it a battle no if we know whose going to win or not. Just because Wolf has the superhero affect does not mean its a battle. I do agree its cheap and not fair for the Alien fans but I can't complain to much, I loved all the Predator action in the movie and if any of the Alien fans are Predator fans too they should be able to enjoy that perspective of it too.
I have a lot of favorite sports stars. That doesn't mean I would like to watch a contest where the other guy took a dive so they could win. That is basically what AvPR did. It doesn't matter how good you are when your opponent isn't fighting to their potential.
Your only as good as your competition. The better the competition the more you have to elevate to overcome the competition. Everyone wins that way. I'm a fan of both Aliens and Preds, but I don't like the way Wolf won his fights as opposed to not liking that he won.
I agree, also thats why I mentioned the Wolf's superman affect.
i think the opening sceen in avpr or
just avpr in general was rushed
like the plane crash was easily 5 minutes but
they crammed it into 30 seconds
but i still enjoyed it
i think overall...AVP is better IMO:
AVP pro's:
+ Athmospehere was suberb i think the whole pyramid was a very good setting.
+ The actors were better not superb but better then AVP-R
+ The aliens were portrayed better
+ Better storyline
AVP Con's:
- the PReds were ridiculous
- The team-up sucked
- The fights were meh
- aliens popped out of the chests to fast
- PG-13
AVP-R Pro's:
+ The Predator looked almost prefect , the head sucked
+ there were more fights
+ Better music score
+ Pred-world scene was cool as hell 8)
+ the fights were more exiting to watch when you cranked the brigthness up :P
AVP-R con's:
- The actors :-X
- The predalien :-X
- The aliens were stupid flailing f**ks
- The darkness was the worst problem IMO
- The reproduce system ::)
- The ending sucked ass
- The CGI blood was very poorly done
- the CGI in general was crappy :-\
AVP-R had more negatives but more postives and AVP had less negatives and less postitives so that makes AVP less crappy IMO :P
Quote from: KARHAN on Jun 23, 2008, 03:59:32 PM
i think overall...AVP is better IMO:
AVP pro's:
+ Athmospehere was suberb i think the whole pyramid was a very good setting.
+ The actors were better not superb but better then AVP-R
+ The aliens were portrayed better
+ Better storyline
AVP Con's:
- the PReds were ridiculous
- The team-up sucked
- The fights were meh
- aliens popped out of the chests to fast
- PG-13
AVP-R Pro's:
+ The Predator looked almost prefect , the head sucked
+ there were more fights
+ Better music score
+ Pred-world scene was cool as hell 8)
+ the fights were more exiting to watch when you cranked the brigthness up :P
AVP-R con's:
- The actors :-X
- The predalien :-X
- The aliens were stupid flailing f**ks
- The darkness was the worst problem IMO
- The reproduce system ::)
- The ending sucked ass
- The CGI blood was very poorly done
- the CGI in general was crappy :-\
AVP-R had more negatives but more postives and AVP had less negatives and less postitives so that makes AVP less crappy IMO :P
For AvPr how could you say the Predator's head sucked? I thought it was the best head design since the originals. I think it was posed wrong in a few shots and one last thing is in his close up shot of him roaring, theres too much damn darkness you could barely see his face. There's only two scenes that bother me with the darkness wether the brightness is up or not.
I hated the Wolf face because it was so ulgy and i hated the color for it.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Jun 23, 2008, 05:18:07 PM
I hated the Wolf face because it was so ulgy and i hated the color for it.
Wolf unmasked only looks good in a couple of shots. Namely where he is in the downed Pred ship. It would have been better if he left his mask on the whole time.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jun 23, 2008, 04:28:29 PM
For AvPr how could you say the Predator's head sucked? I thought it was the best head design since the originals. I think it was posed wrong in a few shots and one last thing is in his close up shot of him roaring, theres too much damn darkness you could barely see his face. There's only two scenes that bother me with the darkness wether the brightness is up or not.
The mouth was too big like in AvP and the extra mandibles were stupid-looking and out of place.
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For AvPr how could you say the Predator's head sucked? I thought it was the best head design since the originals. I think it was posed wrong in a few shots and one last thing is in his close up shot of him roaring, theres too much damn darkness you could barely see his face. There's only two scenes that bother me with the darkness wether the brightness is up or not.
The mouth was too big like in AvP and the extra mandibles were stupid-looking and out of place.
Its not the mouth its the mandibles. They hung to the side instead of crossed like all the Predator's mandibles are like including the AvP Predators which is sad to say.
Goods for AvP....
- Good pacing
- Good fight scenes (refering to Celtic and Grid)
- Good enough acting for me
- Good enough characters IMO
- Aliens were portrayed pretty good
The bad....
- Movie was short
- PG 13
- Predators looked like ass
- Predators fought like ass
- Predators were ass
- Not enough gore
The goods for AvPR....
- Predator looked better, closer to the originals
..............thats all I can think of :P
The bads....
- Predator mandibles weren't right
- Predator sound effects were shit, I was hoping for the original sounds back :(
- Aliens had the worst design so far
- Aliens didn't put up a good fight
- Battle scenes sucked
- Movie was too dark
- Predalien looked like ass
- Acting, as well as the acters were ass
- Movie was too short
- Homages to the originals were getting on my nerves
- Dialogue sucked
............Hell, pretty much everything in this movie sucked except for the predator design and the homeworld part, which wasn't much of a big deal anyway.
This poll is like comparing apples and oranges. AVPR isn't even a movie. It's some poorly lit, poorly shot amateur movie. Like pornography but even worse.
AvPR
AvP might of had better directing but AvPR's action is so much better. I thought the pacing was close to perfect in AvPR rather than AvP with the slow boring beginning and finally when the action kicks in it dies as quickly as it came and then the rest of the action is just shit really. AvPR wasn't scary at all but it had more horrific affects than AvP, better Predator design, best sound effects, score but even though the acting was bad I found the acting between Sherif Morales and Dallas Howard to be entertaining. The acting in AvP was ok but none of the characters were interesting and I'm sorry to say it but not even Mr. Wayland. There was no point of that if you've saw Bishop II from Alien3. What makes the movies balanced though is that in AvP, I believe the Predators were an embarrestment in design and how they performed against the Aliens whereas in AvPR it was the other way around with the Aliens being the disgraced when they were tossed around like ragdolls from the (Wolf) Predator I found the Aliens design almost a good design but looked horrible on screen. Really the only part of the Aliens that looked good were the face. The Predalien almost made up for that but there's still flaws in it but its still enough to forget about the other Aliens.
I found the forest, sewers, power station, and hive/hostbital settings to be far more appealing than the temple/maze which wasn't very convincing to me. AvPR had a lighting problem that can be fix if you're not stubborn. AvP has some great visuals but the storyline behind them are horrible. The worshipping between Predators and early man was interesting but strips the mysteriousness and scariness from the Predators. The battle on top of the temple was almost decent but it made no sense with all those Aliens.. there couldn't be that many people. The only delight of AvP is when Grid takes down the two Predators, (which in another perspective was a very bad idea), the ending battle and the Predalien chestbursting scene. The Queen looked great, Scar looked like crap but looked cool fighting the Queen but that doesn't erase the idea of Scar teaming up with Lex. AvP was just a very watered down version of what these creatures were originally all about however, how crappy AvPR was its still closer to the original ideas than AvP was and had very great gritty action making it a more entertaining movie.
AVP
I feel avp had a better plot gives you a history of the aliens and predators fued and it visualy is much better avp:r hides its set with poorly lit areas and horrible establishing shots avp may have have been stone but the arcitecture was much more athentic and much better at captureing ther feeling of the orginal movies
AVP completley ignores the fact that predators hunt in the hotest seasons
but the aliens were good
AVPR had much more action
but the aliens sucked and (even though im a predator fan) the aliens in action scenes looked weak and underated.
both movies needed alot more research done
but AVPR was an improvment to AVP in my eyes
so AVPR was the better movie
Goods for AvP....
- Good pacing
- Good fight scenes (refering to Celtic and Grid/queen -lex)
- - Aliens were portrayed pretty good
- GREAT lighting
- good score
The bad....
- Movie was short
- PG 13 (weak might I ad)
- Predators looked like ass
- Predators fought like ass
- Predators were ass
- No gore on any huma level what so ever
- the shitiest of shit characters and acting (- lance)
The goods for AvPR....
- Predator looked better blend of pred 1 and 2 with moderness in them
- Predator mandibles where right (better the last time)
-went back to original rigid headed drones
-grit is back (Hard R)
-a good score
-A predator who can actually FIGHT cause he knows wtf he is doing
-1st ever predalien on screen
-predator face was nailed just right
The bads....
- Aliens didn't put up a good fight
- Battle scenes where OK but still bad enough to be here
- Movie was WAY too dark
- Predator sound effects were shit, I was hoping for the original sounds back
- Predalien looked like ass
- Acting, as well as the acters were ass
- Movie was too short
- Homages to the originals were getting on my nerves
- Dialogue sucked
-pretty much no story
-wtf is up with the new reproduction method
so majority wise I agree with predboy
Mandibles and sound fxs not being right was a plus for AvP:R?
no matter what you say the vote on this thread cleary show that avpr is favourited by the avpr community
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jul 03, 2008, 04:59:43 AM
no matter what you say the vote on this thread cleary show that avpr is favourited by the avpr community
What the...what??!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 03, 2008, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jul 03, 2008, 04:59:43 AM
no matter what you say the vote on this thread cleary show that avpr is favourited by the avpr community
What the...what??!
AvP 94 (32.8%)
AvPR 193 (67.2%)
Total Voters: 287
thats what the...what??!
Did you read what you wrote? The word is also favored.
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jul 04, 2008, 04:30:35 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 03, 2008, 08:11:42 PM
Quote from: KILLa l Yautja on Jul 03, 2008, 04:59:43 AM
no matter what you say the vote on this thread cleary show that avpr is favourited by the avpr community
What the...what??!
AvP 94 (32.8%)
AvPR 193 (67.2%)
Total Voters: 287
thats what the...what??!
I wrote what I wrote b/c what you said made no sense whatsoever. AvP:R is favourited by the AvP:R community, wtf.
Both movies have their pros and their cons but over all i would have to say AVP
Visually : U ACTUAllY SEE MORE of the both creatures an their new desings that wernt all that bad. the set which was pretty good consdiring it was the first movie with aliens on earth
Direction: I liked how they went back to the origens of how the creatures first started their war.
Actors: obivsly bringng Lance Henrikson back i liked and the acting wasnt nearly as bad as AVPR but would say i like how in AVPR Kelly O'Brien kind of resemebled Ripley.
So overall i would hope that AVP3 i better than both movies
AVP
i thought it was good film, terrible characters, acting and pred/woman team were the only bad points for me. And it was the first time the preds had fought aliens, no wonder they were shit, give them a break!
AVP-R
The lighting ruined this film completely-WE HAD A FRIGGIN PREDALIEN SO LET US SEE IT ON SCREEN!, they constantly darkened it so all we had was a silouette, too dark to properly relish the fights, way overpowered pred that still fought like shit, weak aliens, whoever was in the alien suits can't act.
I voted for AVP-R.
AvP
The pyramid setting was great, but placing it on Bouvet Island wasn't a very good idea.
There were some pretty annoying characters, like Miller, Sebastian and Rousseau. But the dialogue between the actors where better then in AVP-R. Sanaa Lathan as Lex wasn't that bad, and Weyland was good too.
The Predators looked terrible. I don't think I need to say why. And it was pretty boring when two of them got killed of in like five minutes. It's pretty obvious then that the last one is going to survive until the end.
AVP-R
Colorado was a worse setting than the pyramid.
The creatures looked better, especially Wolf. Awesome design and a lot of new cool weapons. I love the whip, the laser traps and the dual plasma casters. His mask was nice to, and reminded me of Predator 2. The aliens looked a little slow and stiff sometimes, but I liked the head design more this time.
The movie was pretty bloody, and there were some particular cool scenes I loved, like when the two potheads in the store got their heads blown off. And the cementary scene in the Unrated Cut.
The movie looked dark and gritty, and I didn't mind it.
The ending was sweet. Nuke them all and leave the plasma caster to Ms Yutani.
You thought the Alien-lookalikes looked nicer than the ones in AvP? Your eyesight must be off.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2008, 11:53:14 PM
You thought the Alien-lookalikes looked nicer than the ones in AvP? Your eyesight must be off.
and your points need to be sharper...
The aliens in Requiem were shorter retarded versions of the ones in AvP, with heads that looked even more shitty. The light shines through the sides of their jaws, they have no cheeks whatsoever. Sure, aliens had holes in their cheeks where they were basically just made of tendon-thingies, but the Suckquiem aliens had maybe two tendones barely holding their jaws on.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2008, 11:53:14 PM
You thought the Alien-lookalikes looked nicer than the ones in AvP? Your eyesight must be off
As I wrote, I liked the head design better. By that, I mean that I preferred the ridged heads over the smooth ones. I think that they moved a lot better in AVP, but that was not my point.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2008, 11:53:14 PM
You thought the Alien-lookalikes looked nicer than the ones in AvP? Your eyesight must be off
As I wrote, I liked the head design better. By that, I mean that I preferred the ridged heads over the smooth ones. I think that they moved a lot better in AVP, but that was not my point.
Oh I see. I misunderstood then, my bad.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2008, 11:53:14 PM
You thought the Alien-lookalikes looked nicer than the ones in AvP? Your eyesight must be off
As I wrote, I liked the head design better. By that, I mean that I preferred the ridged heads over the smooth ones. I think that they moved a lot better in AVP, but that was not my point.
Cameron's ridge-heads looked better. Plus the way the head sat on top of the neck looked awkward. The mouth looked bad as Kriszilla said and the design looks too random (two exhaust pipes sticking out of it - wtf?).
The neck was too freaking thick. Jesus, they were like stubs.
AVP:
Aliens had a nice design
Predators masks
More than one predator
Another queen
Really great idea, just wasn't executed well enough
Had some thing related to the other alien movie, the claustrophobia.
AVP:R:
More blood, actually it was just overused
Predators acted more like the original, just lived by sheer luck.
Aliens design was pretty cool
First 5 minutes
Predalien, it was ugly, but was great to see how it would be portrayed on screen, which wasn't good.
AVP has my vote.
It was great to see the Predalien being portrayed in a bad way?
Quote from: scarface on Aug 05, 2008, 06:22:06 PM
Predalien, it was ugly, but was great to see how it would be portrayed on screen, which wasn't good.
That makes no sence whatsoever.
AvP hands down! It may lack blood & gore, and Scar, the Predator, was one big sap, but at least AvP was a decent movie compared to the big sloppy mess that the untalented and incompetent Strauses squirted out in order for FOX to milk dry.
They're both awful movies that should never have been made
I vote for AVP.
but both movies are great
Quote from: scarface on Aug 05, 2008, 06:22:06 PM
Predalien, it was ugly, but was great to see how it would be portrayed on screen, which wasn't good.
Um, wtf?
^ Sorry, I worded that wrong.
I was trying to say that it WAS GOOD to see a predalien, but it was NOT GOOD to see how it was portrayed.
Kinda need to think, A LOT about that.
Quote from: gameoverman on Jun 27, 2008, 05:11:47 AM
This poll is like comparing apples and oranges. AVPR isn't even a movie. It's some poorly lit, poorly shot amateur movie. Like pornography but even worse.
This isn't funny or even clever the millionth time someone says it. AvP:R is a movie. A bad one, but still a movie.
^ Agreed. It was funny how he said it wasn't even a movie, then he said it was a poorly lit, poorly shot MOVIE right after.
I dont know, its kinda tricky. I feel AVP had better characters that you at least slightly cared if they died, but AVP-R had the girtty, gruesome action that you want with an AVP movie (even if its hard to see at times through the darkness). But overall I would say I enjoyed AVP-R over the first AVP, cause Wolf was bad ass.
Enough with the hyperboles. AVPR may be bad, but it is nowhere close to as bad as pornography or sci-fi original movies.
See that? That is what a sci-fi channel original movie looks like. It has zero cinematography, what barely constitutes as acting, and god awful special effects. Now you may say AVPR is mediocre in those areas, but not even close to being as bad as this crap.
Hyperbole? On an AvP messageboard?
WHY I NEVER.
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RAPED MY CHILDHOOD.
WORST. MOVIE. EVER.
MY ALIEN.
GAH I WANT TO KILL EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON IT.
did I miss any?
Predator fans are guilty of this too. We heard it for 4 years. :P
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Sep 26, 2008, 04:00:55 AM
Enough with the hyperboles. AVPR may be bad, but it is nowhere close to as bad as pornography or sci-fi original movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_JySW7njk
See that? That is what a sci-fi channel original movie looks like. It has zero cinematography, what barely constitutes as acting, and god awful special effects. Now you may say AVPR is mediocre in those areas, but not even close to being as bad as this crap.
oh god that movie looks crap.do the people who make that know guns like that don't hold about 30 bullet's each magazine
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Sep 26, 2008, 04:00:55 AM
Enough with the hyperboles. AVPR may be bad, but it is nowhere close to as bad as pornography or sci-fi original movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_JySW7njk
See that? That is what a sci-fi channel original movie looks like. It has zero cinematography, what barely constitutes as acting, and god awful special effects. Now you may say AVPR is mediocre in those areas, but not even close to being as bad as this crap.
Sweet Jesus, that was
terrible. But that film aside...it's a sci-fi orginal film. It's not meant to be taken seriously and everyone knows it's most likely going to be silly.
AvP:R on the other hand, bears the words Aliens and Predator, two words which people associate with established and well-done movies, ergo something well thought-out and planned is expected.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 26, 2008, 06:12:28 PM
AvP:R on the other hand, bears the words Aliens and Predator, two words which people associate with established and well-done movies, ergo something well thought-out and planned is expected.
You'd be surprised what average people expect from an Alien or Predator movie nowadays, after things like Alien3, Alien Resurrection, and Predator2. ;)
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Sep 26, 2008, 04:15:04 AM
Predator fans are guilty of this too. We heard it for 4 years. :P
So true. :D
I loved AVP-R but I still like AVP better. Despite the recent news I'm really hoping for a third one.
AvPr wasnt a masterpeice but it was an entertaining cheap movie.
I liked AVP's Pyramid setting even though the hole Antarctica thing was a bit silly. I also liked that there were more preds in AVP even if they were a bit..useless. Only like one of them accomplished anything, and he died so that's not saying alot. The special effects were really good and so was the fighting and the new weapons. The Queen was too..big though. She was more like a step above Queen or a Queen on steroids. Acting was decent, it did it's job for the movie.
AVP:R's setting was okay. Wolf was a f**king badass and that makes up for there being only one Predator of any significance in the film. I liked the new weapons in this film a bit better, even though the massive wrist blades were awesome in the first. I really didn't get how a whole ship full of Predators got their asses handed to them by 1 Predalien. Didn't too much care for the acting since it really wasn't why I went to see the movie in the first place. While you could care about the humans in AVP, the characters in AVP:R the only humans you can really feel anything towards are the babies that get eaten. The movie was way more hardcore than AVP. A bit too dark sometimes yet it helped set the atmosphere IMO.
I suppose it depends on what I'm in the mood for: Senseless violence with an okay story and rather bad acting or moderate violence with a decent story and moderate acting.
Quote from: scarface on Sep 01, 2008, 06:09:49 PM
^ Agreed. It was funny how he said it wasn't even a movie, then he said it was a poorly lit, poorly shot MOVIE right after.
Movie is short for motion picture. You could point a camera at the floor for 6 hours and call it a movie.
One of the first movies exhibited was apparently a train travelling a few feet. Not very epic.
So, you've got to have some standards to actually call it a "MOVIE". You usually say, "I'm going to watch a movie" which doesn't usually mean that you're going to watch funniest home videos or something.
Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 08, 2008, 04:35:53 AM
So, you've got to have some standards to actually call it a "MOVIE". You usually say, "I'm going to watch a movie" which doesn't usually mean that you're going to watch funniest home videos or something.
That's nonsense. This is like saying there's a difference b/w the terms "movie" and "film"; Film is supposed to be something that creates a legacy, leaves a hallmark of some sort for future features whereas a movie is something that is silly and outlandish.
Film and movie are the same thing. And fan film or professional cinema, it's still a movie. AvP:R is a movie/film, period. A bad one, but still a motion picture all the same.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 08, 2008, 04:57:53 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Oct 08, 2008, 04:35:53 AM
So, you've got to have some standards to actually call it a "MOVIE". You usually say, "I'm going to watch a movie" which doesn't usually mean that you're going to watch funniest home videos or something.
That's nonsense. This is like saying there's a difference b/w the terms "movie" and "film"; Film is supposed to be something that creates a legacy, leaves a hallmark of some sort for future features whereas a movie is something that is silly and outlandish.
Not exactly, I'm just pointing out how the word "movie" is used in common usage.
QuoteFilm and movie are the same thing. And fan film or professional cinema, it's still a movie. AvP:R is a movie/film, period. A bad one, but still a motion picture all the same.
I would put AVPR in a seperate category, not a general category. "Bad movie" maybe.
After rewatching AVP...I like AVP more. It's just so much more epic than AVPR. The last 10 minutes are retarded, but the first 2/3 I actually really like. I like how Anderson held off on the creatures, and built up to them. The film has a fantastic look and, for the most part, great special effects. There is actually a lot to like.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Oct 08, 2008, 05:30:31 AM
After rewatching AVP...I like AVP more. It's just so much more epic than AVPR. The last 10 minutes are retarded, but the first 2/3 I actually really like. I like how Anderson held off on the creatures, and built up to them. The film has a fantastic look and, for the most part, great special effects. There is actually a lot to like.
i watched it again recently and i agree...it actually tries and build up suspence unline avp-r were its random scene after another..
Tries and fails to build suspense. Kinda difficult when we know exactly what's going on.
Hitchcock would disagree.
Fair point.
Depends on the execution and Paulie ain't no Hitch.
None the less, I appreciate the effort.
I think it worked to a degree. Not so much that we don't know what's going on, but it builds anticipation to the meeting of the creatures.
And I think it works more for those that didn't follow the production like we did. My dad loved it because he had no idea what the story would be, so everything that happened did surprise him.
Come to think of it, I don't remember much of my dad's reaction to AVPR.
I liked AvP when it first came out. But as I got more and more into it, I realized how dull it was. I don't have the same feeling with AvP:R which is I prefer it.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Oct 08, 2008, 05:30:31 AM
After rewatching AVP...I like AVP more. It's just so much more epic than AVPR. The last 10 minutes are retarded, but the first 2/3 I actually really like. I like how Anderson held off on the creatures, and built up to them. The film has a fantastic look and, for the most part, great special effects. There is actually a lot to like.
Thats one thing I liked. It actually had good suspense to it. I was off my seat when I finally saw celtic and grid about to duke it out. AvPR is just......nothing.
I can't believe threads like this are still going on. Crazy. Anyways, in my eyes, AVP-r showed the nature of the beasts, not, as in AVP, as more or less killers. The Aliens by themselves are gruesome, violent creatures. You can't inject any part of their life cycle, realistically, and make it rated PG-13. Nor can you do that with Predators. The whole ritualistic murder side of the preds can't be taken lightly, and I believe that the skinning of a human being should call for a higher rating. Though I have found many problems with AVP-R, mostly canon issues, AVP was an extremely sad excuse for an alien/predator film. They took the most important elements (chestbursting, impaling, etc...) and watered it down so that it would cater to a younger audience. I believe that is just sad.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Oct 08, 2008, 05:30:31 AM
After rewatching AVP...I like AVP more. It's just so much more epic than AVPR. The last 10 minutes are retarded, but the first 2/3 I actually really like. I like how Anderson held off on the creatures, and built up to them. The film has a fantastic look and, for the most part, great special effects. There is actually a lot to like.
I liked the first AVP the day I saw it and when it came out on DVD I liked it even more. It was flawed but not bad, all I wanted was for the 2nd installment to even things out abit. AVP-R could have looked more visually intense than the first AVP. You saw more of the creatures in AVP-R and it did have more action.
But those positive things were all hidden under poor color grading. What your seeing isn't visually satisfying enough to be entertained. You know something awesome is happening, you know Wolf is doing some cool shit, you know theres Alien Warriors around but you just don't see enough of it to fully appreciate it.
I still hope the bros fix the problem and release another version of the film. I see it as a very positive thing for the film, I really think it would get better reviews and the fans would appreciate it greatly.
As far as a movie goes, the movie gets a good rating from me. But did you notice the lack of blood when a chestburster is tearing, clawing, and shredding them from the inside out? It's just not right. That's like them making Halloween, rated r by the way, without blood or guts. You take the biggest horror monsters that are known for their gruesome killings, and... Anyways. As far as graphics go, and cool scenes, AVP gets a thumbs up. But AVP-R, though I hated it, shows the monsters in their element, the way their supposed to act.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Oct 11, 2008, 03:05:50 AM
I still hope the bros fix the problem and release another version of the film. I see it as a very positive thing for the film, I really think it would get better reviews and the fans would appreciate it greatly.
I don't think people hate the movie because of the color grading. It makes no difference in whether the movie is good or bad.
I still hope they fix it some day.
But it would still be a shithouse film and people would still hate it for all the same reasons, except now they wouldn't have the colour grading to bitch about.
Hello, earth to Phantom. Some people actually see past the shitty colour and dislike the film because it's a shit film, not because they take the grading as some sort of personal assault.
I like Avp-r over AVP.
Or I could say that AVP-R makes me vomit lesser than AVP.
But compared with Alien, Aliens, Alien3, Predator and Predator 2. AVP-R doesn't stand a chance.
Neither film does.
It sucks because the plot could be there. They are a way compatible species. The ultimate hunter vs the ultimate prey. Lots could be done, but the story is just lacking. Now the franchise is given a 'cheap popcorn thrills' appeal instead of the ground breaking roots it grew up on. (Alien and to some extend Predator)
AVPR wins even though it's plot and acting or more terrible, simply because it had more action, had the R rating it needed, and leads finally (hopefully) into space. If it wasn't for AVPs predalien ending, we could get that space action because we wouldn't have to link it to that exact time. AVP has generally cleaner and better plot, but certain elements make it garbage. The only reason to watch that movie is the Grid vs Scar battle. The lack of action makes it snore fest because the plot in itself is not enough to drive it forward.
I think that these movies would have been a lot better if they didn't try to bring in so much new stuff to the creatures, they should have stick ed with what they got.
One part of the "coolness" to the Predator is that he was a hunter, living only for the hunt, for the next trophy, he once was a easy creature, primitive in it's nature but was using high tech gear and weapons, which he sometimes used sadistically, he liked to toy with his targets, enjoying their fear.
The Alien was a nightmarish creature without mercy.
You might think that it saved your ass because you were pregnant or unarmed;)...
...until you see that egg opening up in front of you...
I wouldn't mind new weapons for the Predators or a new hybrid for the aliens, and sure we got some new weapons and a new hybrid.
But everything else was just wrong.
I still get chills from the first chestbust in "Alien" and from the line;
- Kill...me... ,In "Aliens".
And I still get a "stalker" vibe from the Predator, as he was watching his targets from the distance, choosing his prey and picking them off one by one.
I can watch P1 over and over and never get tired of it, and the coolest scene in P2 must be when the Keyes and his men are trying to ambush the Predator in the slaughter house...
I really miss that vibe from both the Alien and Predator movies in AVP and AVP-R.
AVP is a good film in regards to quality. However, the movie (both actually) sucked because of all the loopholes they racked their brains to find in the canon. They both had their downsides, but I'll admit, I enjoy sitting down for an Alien/Predator marathon, avp included, because all in all, they all contain my favorite movie monsters of all time. Sure, the issues with canon upsets me, but I don't even view AVP/R as part of the franchise, just an EU Science-fiction-fiction-action movie. No more no less.
So which did you prefer?
Quote from: Milan on Nov 04, 2008, 02:11:32 AM
I think that these movies would have been a lot better if they didn't try to bring in so much new stuff to the creatures, they should have stick ed with what they got.
One part of the "coolness" to the Predator is that he was a hunter, living only for the hunt, for the next trophy, he once was a easy creature, primitive in it's nature but was using high tech gear and weapons, which he sometimes used sadistically, he liked to toy with his targets, enjoying their fear.
The Alien was a nightmarish creature without mercy.
You might think that it saved your ass because you were pregnant or unarmed;)...
...until you see that egg opening up in front of you...
I wouldn't mind new weapons for the Predators or a new hybrid for the aliens, and sure we got some new weapons and a new hybrid.
But everything else was just wrong.
I still get chills from the first chestbust in "Alien" and from the line;
- Kill...me... ,In "Aliens".
And I still get a "stalker" vibe from the Predator, as he was watching his targets from the distance, choosing his prey and picking them off one by one.
I can watch P1 over and over and never get tired of it, and the coolest scene in P2 must be when the Keyes and his men are trying to ambush the Predator in the slaughter house...
I really miss that vibe from both the Alien and Predator movies in AVP and AVP-R.
If you want purity than it's Alien 1 and Predator 1. They are the only, the quintessential movies in the franchise. Forget the rest. No predators hunting in clans, xenomorph skulls and honour system. No queens and bug-like aliens...
For a purist, there is only A L I E N and PREDATOR.
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 24, 2008, 01:43:28 AM
Quote from: Milan on Nov 04, 2008, 02:11:32 AM
I think that these movies would have been a lot better if they didn't try to bring in so much new stuff to the creatures, they should have stick ed with what they got.
One part of the "coolness" to the Predator is that he was a hunter, living only for the hunt, for the next trophy, he once was a easy creature, primitive in it's nature but was using high tech gear and weapons, which he sometimes used sadistically, he liked to toy with his targets, enjoying their fear.
The Alien was a nightmarish creature without mercy.
You might think that it saved your ass because you were pregnant or unarmed;)...
...until you see that egg opening up in front of you...
I wouldn't mind new weapons for the Predators or a new hybrid for the aliens, and sure we got some new weapons and a new hybrid.
But everything else was just wrong.
I still get chills from the first chestbust in "Alien" and from the line;
- Kill...me... ,In "Aliens".
And I still get a "stalker" vibe from the Predator, as he was watching his targets from the distance, choosing his prey and picking them off one by one.
I can watch P1 over and over and never get tired of it, and the coolest scene in P2 must be when the Keyes and his men are trying to ambush the Predator in the slaughter house...
I really miss that vibe from both the Alien and Predator movies in AVP and AVP-R.
If you want purity than it's Alien 1 and Predator 1. They are the only, the quintessential movies in the franchise. Forget the rest. No predators hunting in clans, xenomorph skulls and honour system. No queens and bug-like aliens...
For a purist, there is only A L I E N and PREDATOR.
I'm not sure I understand you...
But I don't see anything wrong with the Alien trophy.
The idea behind it was real simple, they just put it there to show us one of the many creatures they have hunted. It wasn't meant to be something huge.
Just a creature deadly enough that it qualifyed to become a trophy once it was killed, like the rest of the tropyhs in that room.
Quote from: Milan on Nov 24, 2008, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 24, 2008, 01:43:28 AM
Quote from: Milan on Nov 04, 2008, 02:11:32 AM
I think that these movies would have been a lot better if they didn't try to bring in so much new stuff to the creatures, they should have stick ed with what they got.
One part of the "coolness" to the Predator is that he was a hunter, living only for the hunt, for the next trophy, he once was a easy creature, primitive in it's nature but was using high tech gear and weapons, which he sometimes used sadistically, he liked to toy with his targets, enjoying their fear.
The Alien was a nightmarish creature without mercy.
You might think that it saved your ass because you were pregnant or unarmed;)...
...until you see that egg opening up in front of you...
I wouldn't mind new weapons for the Predators or a new hybrid for the aliens, and sure we got some new weapons and a new hybrid.
But everything else was just wrong.
I still get chills from the first chestbust in "Alien" and from the line;
- Kill...me... ,In "Aliens".
And I still get a "stalker" vibe from the Predator, as he was watching his targets from the distance, choosing his prey and picking them off one by one.
I can watch P1 over and over and never get tired of it, and the coolest scene in P2 must be when the Keyes and his men are trying to ambush the Predator in the slaughter house...
I really miss that vibe from both the Alien and Predator movies in AVP and AVP-R.
If you want purity than it's Alien 1 and Predator 1. They are the only, the quintessential movies in the franchise. Forget the rest. No predators hunting in clans, xenomorph skulls and honour system. No queens and bug-like aliens...
For a purist, there is only A L I E N and PREDATOR.
I'm not sure I understand you...
But I don't see anything wrong with the Alien trophy.
The idea behind it was real simple, they just put it there to show us one of the many creatures they have hunted. It wasn't meant to be something huge.
Just a creature deadly enough that it qualifyed to become a trophy once it was killed, like the rest of the tropyhs in that room.
That's not the idea behind it..... It was a cute reference to the comic series Aliens Vs Predator. The only thing is, it kind of raped things continuity-wise for the Alien series. So it's best seen as just a cute little reference and nothing more.
Yup. It's said on the DVD that the Alien skull was thrown in as a gag and nothing more.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 24, 2008, 02:16:30 PM
Yup. It's said on the DVD that the Alien skull was thrown in as a gag and nothing more.
"
The skull of a creature that resembles the ones in Alien and Aliens is on the wall in the Predator's trophy room. Putting the Alien skull on the trophy case on the Predator ship was the idea of Stan Winston' as a way of showing off all the different species and creatures that the Predators have hunted and killed. Since Fox had owned the Alien franchise, it was easy to obtain the rights to use the Alien head in the film. "
This was taken from the trivia section about Predator 2 on
this site.
If it's false information then I think it would be good if someone changed it...
Depends if there's a source cited or not.
Quote from: SM on Nov 25, 2008, 04:16:39 AM
Depends if there's a source cited or not.
I couldn't find any, but the information written about Predator 2 on this site looks like it's done correctly.
I don't think that anyone would make things up in the movie section outside the forum.
Maybe someone among the staff knows more about this than you and me,
like the one who wrote it.
People make stuff up all the time - either on purpose or via the "I remember reading ages ago" method.
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2008, 03:41:28 AM
People make stuff up all the time - either on purpose or via the "I remember reading ages ago" method.
Yeah, some ppl do that, I'm one of them, it's called "speculation"... ;D
But I wouldn't do it if I'm about to write an in depth review about the movie, providing information about the movie, it's story, cast, pre-production and post-production and more.
Look at the page, it doesn't even hint that the information put down is something from the authors wild imagination.
I'm not saying it is, but sometimes erroneous things get remembered as fact. Many people still think Weyland Yutani came from Ridley Scott's neighbours names, which is wrong. Years ago some guy online claimed that the Burke coccoon scene was cut because it wrecked continuity, and got incredibly stroppy when I provided a quote from Cameron saying it got cut because he was never happy with the quality of the scene and no mention of continuity problems.
I know of at least one person who claims they saw the Burke scene in a theatre, or that it was on a German TV broadcast of Aliens. Despite it never being in any version of the film.
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2008, 04:31:28 AM
I'm not saying it is, but sometimes erroneous things get remembered as fact. Many people still think Weyland Yutani came from Ridley Scott's neighbours names, which is wrong.
:o I always thought that the name same from his two neighbours, that he didn't like...
Was he joking? I remember reading about this several times from several different sources through the years
and always thought that he was serious, on the other hand, I never heard him say it himself...
There you go. He never did say it.
Ron Cobb made the name up. Weyland is a take on British Leyland, and Yutani was one of Cobb's neighbours. He originally wanted Leyland Toyota, but obviously couldn't use that name. Then they further dropped the D.
Quote from: Weasel on Nov 03, 2008, 11:52:57 PM
AVPR wins even though it's plot and acting or more terrible, simply because it had more action, had the R rating it needed, and leads finally (hopefully) into space. If it wasn't for AVPs predalien ending, we could get that space action because we wouldn't have to link it to that exact time. AVP has generally cleaner and better plot, but certain elements make it garbage. The only reason to watch that movie is the Grid vs Scar battle. The lack of action makes it snore fest because the plot in itself is not enough to drive it forward.
Does a film need an R rating? I thought the action in AvP was much better than AvPR, which got repetitive as simply predator shoots, spears, slices alien in very dark areas, making it hard to see. The violence in AvP was stylized too, such as the when Scar's shuriken slices through the facehugger and the scene slows slightly, rather than the Wolf bashing things to death with his weapons, which gets old quickly. Yes AvpR had more action, but it was wolf/human shoots alien, wolf spears alien, alien facehugs/ kills human. And it all looked the same. The only exception was the end fight scene, which made no sense,(none of the alien's blood even touched the predator when it should have, took mask off.)
AvpR was too dark, it didn't make for a more frightening atmosphere, it just made things very hard to see, the film was also a lot less tense, which I think was caused because of the urban setting, compared to an ancient pyramid. In a city one is familiar with the environment which provides a degree of assurance for the viewer, in a strange, unfamiliar environment that feeling is lost because one does not know where to go for help.
About creature design in AvP... so what? If the predators had mutated to have fur and rectangular ears I'd understand but they look extremely similar to me to the predators in the predator films. I personally don't judge films on slight variations of characters, like if they have a broader chest width to emphasize their heroic nature or extra teeth to humanize them.
Some people have said avp has worse acting. Please explain.
AvPR had gore. A lot of films have gore, buckets of gore does not improve my opinion of films.
AvPR made no sense in some respects. Why skin human beings when you're trying to eliminate evidence? Why take the mask off when a big deadly pred-alien could ram a barbed tail into you at any time? When the alien got shot having leapt on the helicopter window screen, why didn't it's blood even touch the screen? When the Wolf spun around and slammed his blade into the predalein's ribcage how come no blood came out?
EDIT: I forgot to mention the crappy dialogue of AvPR: "hey, people are dying, we need guns." I can understand people being direct in life and death situations but did we really need: "People are dying."
Also: "The government doesn't lie to people."
like i said. the moves were better than avp1. in the first fight scene, they were just lying on each other and rolled around. in AVPR, the predator actually is more acrobatic and primative.
Quote from: requiem28 on Dec 16, 2008, 09:14:24 PM
like i said. the moves were better than avp1. in the first fight scene, they were just lying on each other and rolled around. in AVPR, the predator actually is more acrobatic and primative.
Agreed about the rolling around bit, when I saw the Celtic-Grid fight scene for the first 3 times, I thought it was one of the most amazing things of all time, and then afterwards, noticed just how much of the scene was taken up by Grid and Celtic rolling around. Still, the intital Rugby tackle by Celtic and subsequent body slams and throw were quite brilliant.
I don't know what you mean by acrobatic, Wolf does his own share of body slams and doesn't really leap around. In AvP during the final fight scene with the queen, Scar leapt into the air, and mid-leap slammed his spear into the alien queen's head. I don't know how much more acrobatic you can get than that.
Wolf was more mobile. The AvP Preds were lumbering hulks.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 16, 2008, 10:35:41 PM
Wolf was more mobile. The AvP Preds were lumbering hulks.
I'm rewatching AvPR and I can't see how, the AvP predators were bulkier but seemed to be equally agile, examples include Celtic whipping up the net-gun, firing it and dodging out of the way so Grid crashed through the floor instead of on him and the above mentioned spinning leap at the alien queen. Wolf seemed to move just like the AvP predators.
Yet the AvP Preds couldn't outrun a human, or even bring their arms close to their chests. Case in point: watch Celtic bring his arm around after he pushes that guy down the ice shaft. It's almost as if he's doing a right hook, it's so big.
I still think that both movies are decent. AVPR had more action with the Aliens and Predator which I wanted to see from the first movie but the first movie had a better story and good visual effects. So both movies are ok but nothing good or great 6/10.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 17, 2008, 04:28:58 AM
Yet the AvP Preds couldn't outrun a human, or even bring their arms close to their chests. Case in point: watch Celtic bring his arm around after he pushes that guy down the ice shaft. It's almost as if he's doing a right hook, it's so big.
I can see what you mean by the giant arm movements, but to be fair to the actor, the predators suits were pretty bulky, it didn't seem like such a big deal if you watched the movie casually, as events distracted the audience from the predators themselves, (such as the act of the guy getting pushed down the ice shaft, the guy was a nice coverup of potentially awkward predator movements.) I actually prefer my predators nice and bulky, they look more formidable as brawlers against the aliens, likewise, I also like the nice 'hunter' look of Wolf, as he appears more agile by his apperance, and personally thought the AvP movies could be improved by adding both 'types' of predators to perhaps empahise different roles and personalities in different predators.
Good for you if you liked them, but I'd rather see my Predators as the agile warrior John McTiernan gave us back in 1987 :)
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Dec 16, 2008, 09:31:11 PM
I don't know what you mean by acrobatic, Wolf does his own share of body slams and doesn't really leap around. In AvP during the final fight scene with the queen, Scar leapt into the air, and mid-leap slammed his spear into the alien queen's head. I don't know how much more acrobatic you can get than that.
i meant that wolf did more leaping from place to place, like in the power plant. also, in almost every next scene, you could tell he was coming cause of the bongos, and then he would jump down out of nowhere.
I was actually hoping they'd show Wolf as a very agile or even acrobatic fighter, especially since he looks far more lithe than his AvP cousins. Damn shame he never had to use his "awesome warrior skills". The closest the movie comes to that is a few of his maneuvers in the Chet fight.
I would've liked to have seen the first AvP present bigger differences in its Predators. Maybe have had Celtic as a large, physically powerful Predator while portraying Scar as a smaller, but faster Predator who'd rely on near perfect movements to fight the Aliens in CC.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Dec 18, 2008, 05:10:21 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 17, 2008, 04:28:58 AM
Yet the AvP Preds couldn't outrun a human, or even bring their arms close to their chests. Case in point: watch Celtic bring his arm around after he pushes that guy down the ice shaft. It's almost as if he's doing a right hook, it's so big.
I can see what you mean by the giant arm movements, but to be fair to the actor, the predators suits were pretty bulky, it didn't seem like such a big deal if you watched the movie casually, as events distracted the audience from the predators themselves, (such as the act of the guy getting pushed down the ice shaft, the guy was a nice coverup of potentially awkward predator movements.) I actually prefer my predators nice and bulky, they look more formidable as brawlers against the aliens, likewise, I also like the nice 'hunter' look of Wolf, as he appears more agile by his apperance, and personally thought the AvP movies could be improved by adding both 'types' of predators to perhaps empahise different roles and personalities in different predators.
The Predators are hunters. I don't think they should be anything more than that.
Hunters dont need to be able to muscle around what they hunt,
dont see us bulking up to try and take on elephants etc.
Quote from: DB on Dec 19, 2008, 11:36:24 PM
I was actually hoping they'd show Wolf as a very agile or even acrobatic fighter, especially since he looks far more lithe than his AvP cousins. Damn shame he never had to use his "awesome warrior skills". The closest the movie comes to that is a few of his maneuvers in the Chet fight.
And when he was hopping around the power plant, jumping from level to level.
Quote from: The Wolf on Dec 20, 2008, 01:08:14 AM
The Predators are hunters. I don't think they should be anything more than that.
Agreed.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Dec 20, 2008, 11:59:58 AM
Hunters dont need to be able to muscle around what they hunt,
dont see us bulking up to try and take on elephants etc.
That's a different situation though, modern day hunters do not "bulk up to take on elephants" because we have developed impressive ranged weapons that enable us to neutralize such creatures with low risk to our own lives. The predators have a completely different take on combat, though they have developed plasma guns they still use bladed close combat and ranged weapons, presumably to show their martial prowess. (I can't think of any other reason to use bladed weapons apart from the honour of a close kill, apart from when stealth is required.) We "know" that predators see regular close combat, from all the predator movies and the AvP movies, and so in this case, the predator does "need to be able to muscle around what they hunt.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 20, 2008, 03:31:45 PM
And when he was hopping around the power plant, jumping from level to level.
But the predators also displayed such acrobatic displays in AvP, (leap of Scar? Across the chasm when the pyramid shifted, Scar's twirl in the air), just that the pyramid was a lot more cramped so they couldn't go around jumping like monkeys.
Must say that only thing that boders me in AvP:R is that Aliens are sitting ducks during entire movie...they made them weak ,slow,stupid and just not scarry at all!
In the streets, they slaughter entire squad of NG, and at the end on the roof, every shot hits them and kills them like mindless zombies!
AvP had Grid who showed more character than Chat in AvP:R, or any single Alien ever.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Dec 20, 2008, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 20, 2008, 03:31:45 PM
And when he was hopping around the power plant, jumping from level to level.
But the predators also displayed such acrobatic displays in AvP, (leap of Scar? Across the chasm when the pyramid shifted, Scar's twirl in the air), just that the pyramid was a lot more cramped so they couldn't go around jumping like monkeys.
Yes, but considering he couldn't outrun Lex (!!) that's a small achievement I think.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 21, 2008, 01:49:26 AM
Yes, but considering he couldn't outrun Lex (!!) that's a small achievement I think.
Look at it from the director's perspective, an actor in a bulky suit is slower than a reasonably fit woman, when they film the end escape scene, they could ask the actor portraying Lex to run slower but that would be unrealistic, the actor playing the predator is already running as fast as he can, and the only way they could make him faster, (assuming the suit is already as light as it can be,) is to use CGI to enchance the predator. Would it really be worth it? We could assume the predator is feeling chest pain, from the chestburster inside him, is fatigued by the fighting or is wounded.
QuoteThat's a different situation though, modern day hunters do not "bulk up to take on elephants" because we have developed impressive ranged weapons that enable us to neutralize such creatures with low risk to our own lives. The predators have a completely different take on combat, though they have developed plasma guns they still use bladed close combat and ranged weapons, presumably to show their martial prowess. (I can't think of any other reason to use bladed weapons apart from the honour of a close kill, apart from when stealth is required.) We "know" that predators see regular close combat, from all the predator movies and the AvP movies, and so in this case, the predator does "need to be able to muscle around what they hunt.
yes but since its shown that close combat with an alien is almost suicide considering they're claws,tail and acid blood...its like us attacking a tiger with a knife and spear...chances are we'll lose...so long range is all we have...
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Dec 21, 2008, 06:44:58 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 21, 2008, 01:49:26 AM
Yes, but considering he couldn't outrun Lex (!!) that's a small achievement I think.
Look at it from the director's perspective, an actor in a bulky suit is slower than a reasonably fit woman, when they film the end escape scene, they could ask the actor portraying Lex to run slower but that would be unrealistic, the actor playing the predator is already running as fast as he can, and the only way they could make him faster, (assuming the suit is already as light as it can be,) is to use CGI to enchance the predator. Would it really be worth it? We could assume the predator is feeling chest pain, from the chestburster inside him, is fatigued by the fighting or is wounded.
I understand that, but the point is that, this is not the Predator most of us remember from '87 and '92, so as far as I am concerned, Anderson was clueless in that respect.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on Dec 21, 2008, 12:48:31 PM
yes but since its shown that close combat with an alien is almost suicide considering they're claws,tail and acid blood...its like us attacking a tiger with a knife and spear...chances are we'll lose...so long range is all we have...
Yes exactly, that's the point of predator culture. It is very dangerous to tackle an alien using close combat weaponary because of their numerous natural weaponry, yet the predators do it anyway because it is part of their honour code, and those that do learn from their initiation trials become badass mofos. Just look at Wolf. The predators know that it would be easier to simply plasma gun every alien they come across, but then the trials wouldn't be a challenge, which is the entire point of the hunt.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 21, 2008, 03:45:09 PM
I understand that, but the point is that, this is not the Predator most of us remember from '87 and '92, so as far as I am concerned, Anderson was clueless in that respect.
Well I cannot argue with that. You win this one.
QuoteYes exactly, that's the point of predator culture. It is very dangerous to tackle an alien using close combat weaponary because of their numerous natural weaponry, yet the predators do it anyway because it is part of their honour code, and those that do learn from their initiation trials become badass mofos. Just look at Wolf. The predators know that it would be easier to simply plasma gun every alien they come across, but then the trials wouldn't be a challenge, which is the entire point of the hunt
yes i understand all of your points but the fact of the matter is, its that predators shouldnt sacrifice speed for bulk, even so they get killed pretty damn easily anyhow (gill and celtic)
Gill died b/c he was unattentive, and Celtic died b/c he got stupid. Bulk had nothing to do with it.
Arrogance was definitly Celtic's undoing. Underestimated the Alien's strength to break the net, and took too long savoring the moment to draw the knife and kill it.
More like just plain forgot how the net gun works, but point taken.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 22, 2008, 05:44:23 PM
Gill died b/c he was unattentive, and Celtic died b/c he got stupid. Bulk had nothing to do with it.
yes, but that was due to there portrayel in the movie, they didnt seem like hunters, they were like walking tree trunks in avp...
No argument there.
if i had to choose id say avp r
but they didnt come close to how good the original alien and predator films
For me, it would most likey be AVP. I know there is a lot of hatered for this movie, but I really like it. They did mess somethings up, such as overpowering the aliens, and underpowering the Predators, and setting it in the present time. However, I don't mind its PG 13 rating at all. It had good effects, and battles, unlike AVPR where you couldn't see anything. I like AVPR for what it is, and its a fun movie, but I hate the fact that for some reason, you never get a real good look at the monsters. The characters were less likeable than the ones in AVP to me, and its a reall shame, because this could have been a really good movie. I loved the Predalien though.
Changed vote to 'Requiem'. I think they're both decent movies that have good entertainment value, but AvPR has more so.
AVPR is more mind numbing fun. I still get a thrill whenever I see Aliens and a Predator in a modern day city.
I agree, even though AVPR did have those stereotypical meat head high school kids. Plus, I like how Predator was back to his original size compared to his over buffness in AvP. My vote is for AVPR.
The human characters were diffentely better in AVP.
Indeed.
I really liked the Predalien, but the whole youg queen, and stuffing eggs down people's mouths was a bit too much.
I thought that was pretty funny that they would think of doing that. What would have been too much for me is if they would have shown the predalien killing the babies. However, if any movie were to show babies being killed, AVPR would be that movie. Can you even show babies being killed in cinema?
Quote from: Rich Green Acid Blood on Jan 06, 2009, 03:21:50 AM
Can you even show babies being killed in cinema?
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^ What the...
AvP was better except in gore and Predator costumes. However, the gore in AvP-R was to the point of being ridiculous and started to look like pancake syrup and neon green silly string... but some of the gore looked pretty good. I also liked the sound effects in AvP-R, but a few ear and eye candy moments can't make up for a terrible film in nearly every other regard.
AVP=better story
AVP-R=better action sequences
I say 'AvP' had much better action scenes. ^ Theres no intensity in the ones in 'AvPR' at all.
i respect your opinion, but i completely disagree. wolf showed more fighting skills, except for the boxing parts.
He only looked skilled because his enemies were dipshits. :)
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 06, 2009, 10:13:10 PM
He only looked skilled because his enemies were dipshits. :)
quite true, but i bet if you put scar against wolf, wolf would win. has that been made into a poll yet?
I heard someone say here that AVP didn't have enough gore. IMO, I liked it the way it was. The fights between the Preds and Aliens should be gory, and they were, but I didn't mind everything else.
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 06, 2009, 10:13:10 PM
He only looked skilled because his enemies were dipshits. :)
Nah, the aliens would be fine if Wolf did not have all his tools and weapons. If you take those away from him he would be killed early in the movie because Predators rely on weapons and tools but Aliens have razor teeth, claws, and tail as well as acid blood.
^^ Not in AvP:R though. The aliens had a few chances to kill Wolf but didn't even put up a decent fight.
Only real exception being in the power plant when it sent him flying off the catwalk.
What was the point of Wolf skinning the police officer? Was he trying to use him as bait or did he just do that for fun?
Just what Predators do. Nothing more.
They both kinda tie. I would say AVP probably if I had to choose one.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 07, 2009, 01:10:09 AM
Just what Predators do. Nothing more.
Wasn't he trying to eliminate all evidence of an alien infestation? If so, why did he waste time when aliens could be breeding all the while? And why leave evidence of him being there?
That's exactly what I've been thinking, why waste the time to do that? I suppose the Predator was playing to the audience to show them that he was for real, this movie is rated R for a reason, and if you mess with a Predator, he's got the tools and attitude to not think twice before skinning you!
Quote from: Rich Green Acid Blood on Jan 07, 2009, 05:08:15 AM
That's exactly what I've been thinking, why waste the time to do that? I suppose the Predator was playing to the audience to show them that he was for real, this movie is rated R for a reason, and if you mess with a Predator, he's got the tools and attitude to not think twice before skinning you!
tools, attitude and lack of sense. :p
In the AvPR commentary the Strause brothers did say it didn't make any sense, but they did want to pay homage to the original Predator movie.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
Only real exception being in the power plant when it sent him flying off the catwalk.
And that Alien was still being stupid. It could have speared him through the stomach from behind, but no, it has to jump right in front on him, screetch and then bitch slap him. :P
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 07, 2009, 05:01:15 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 07, 2009, 01:10:09 AM
Just what Predators do. Nothing more.
Wasn't he trying to eliminate all evidence of an alien infestation? If so, why did he waste time when aliens could be breeding all the while? And why leave evidence of him being there?
Since he was a veteran Predator I assume three things:
1) The skinning didn't take very long
2) There's nothing about the skinning that suggests an alien presence
3) The aliens hadn't spread to the point of being out of control until quite some time later
I don't think it has to make sense, it was just cool seeing a guy skinned by a Predator. And I suspect that's what was going through the Strause Bros. heads. Or perhaps it had been a while since Wolf had gone on a hunt, so he treated himself by decapitating an innocent onlooker.
Hated avp with a passion. I can stand avpr. LOVE how they brought back original sounds from the older movies. Still wish that they would make the cannon sound like a whip again like in the original predator movie unless they had it added but I didnt hear it. Avp way to goofy. Avp closer but still way off.
Quote from: WDB on Jan 12, 2009, 03:31:11 AM
Hated avp with a passion. I can stand avpr. LOVE how they brought back original sounds from the older movies. Still wish that they would make the cannon sound like a whip again like in the original predator movie unless they had it added but I didnt hear it. Avp way to goofy. Avp closer but still way off.
Wait, you're basing your opinion on an entire movie because of the sounds? Any other problems?
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 12, 2009, 09:03:44 AM
Quote from: WDB on Jan 12, 2009, 03:31:11 AM
Hated avp with a passion. I can stand avpr. LOVE how they brought back original sounds from the older movies. Still wish that they would make the cannon sound like a whip again like in the original predator movie unless they had it added but I didnt hear it. Avp way to goofy. Avp closer but still way off.
Wait, you're basing your opinion on an entire movie because of the sounds? Any other problems?
AVP is too watered down pg13 and the Predator sound,design,vision is just wrong
AVPr is better
I really don't mind the mask vision/sounds in AvP. I don't see why every mask should look and sound the same.
Quote from: PredatorIII on Jan 12, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 12, 2009, 09:03:44 AM
Wait, you're basing your opinion on an entire movie because of the sounds? Any other problems?
AVP is too watered down pg13 and the Predator sound,design,vision is just wrong
AVPr is better
I was happy with the pg-13 violence because it was a lot more creative than splattering blood everywhere.
I'd have to say the slow motion shuriken slice of the face hugger and the Celtic Brawl, more than make up for oozes of gore.
AvP was set in an interesting area, introduced a creative mask design, had Aliens that made worthy opponenets to the Predators, had a pretty good script and predatory animalistic sounds from Celtic.
AvP is better
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 12, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
I really don't mind the mask vision/sounds in AvP. I don't see why every mask should look and sound the same.
Agree, it is far more creative than just listening to the same mask sounds over and over.
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 12, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
I really don't mind the mask vision/sounds in AvP. I don't see why every mask should look and sound the same.
They sounded plastic. The original sounds, well, sounded, more advanced.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2009, 02:57:49 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 12, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
I really don't mind the mask vision/sounds in AvP. I don't see why every mask should look and sound the same.
They sounded plastic. The original sounds, well, sounded, more advanced.
I thought they sounded bestial, like a lion growl, befitting a hunter. It reminded me, though they walk upright and look like humans while still in the mask, there's a deadly, predatory creature underneath the metal.
We could debate this all day couldn't we?
I was referring to the noises the masks vision's switching made. The grunts and growls were nice.
I think AVP-R had better fight scenes but the lighting was so terrible its hard to say...AVP had the Celtic vs. Grid scene but I didn't care much for it... :P
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 12, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
I really don't mind the mask vision/sounds in AvP. I don't see why every mask should look and sound the same.
Predator and Predator2 mask sounds were actually very different from each other.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jan 13, 2009, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 12, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
I really don't mind the mask vision/sounds in AvP. I don't see why every mask should look and sound the same.
Predator and Predator2 mask sounds were actually very different from each other.
pg13 has no place in an Alien movie,neither the crap AVP Predator vision.
AvP should have been harsher theres no doubt. Eg you see Quinns face get slashed instead of the blood splatter, the net should have cut faster into Stafford's skin, blood all over his face etc. Though in it's defense it's got gallons more A/P blood than in AvPR...
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 12, 2009, 10:06:47 PM
Quote from: PredatorIII on Jan 12, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 12, 2009, 09:03:44 AM
Wait, you're basing your opinion on an entire movie because of the sounds? Any other problems?
AVP is too watered down pg13 and the Predator sound,design,vision is just wrong
AVPr is better
I was happy with the pg-13 violence because it was a lot more creative than splattering blood everywhere.
I'd have to say the slow motion shuriken slice of the face hugger and the Celtic Brawl, more than make up for oozes of gore.
AvP was set in an interesting area, introduced a creative mask design, had Aliens that made worthy opponenets to the Predators, had a pretty good script and predatory animalistic sounds from Celtic.
AvP is better
Agreed!
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 13, 2009, 07:31:41 PM
AvP should have been harsher theres no doubt. Eg you see Quinns face get slashed instead of the blood splatter, the net should have cut faster into Stafford's skin, blood all over his face etc. Though in it's defense it's got gallons more A/P blood than in AvPR...
And AvP:R had more human blood. Guess that makes em even.
Quote from: PredatorIII on Jan 13, 2009, 05:10:14 PM
Quote from: The Wolf on Jan 13, 2009, 11:32:58 AM
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 12, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
I really don't mind the mask vision/sounds in AvP. I don't see why every mask should look and sound the same.
Predator and Predator2 mask sounds were actually very different from each other.
pg13 has no place in an Alien movie,neither the crap AVP Predator vision.
I agree. I was just saying the vision's were different. AvP visions were too different and was stupid. Everything on the Predator's in that movie was watered down.
The movie I prefer between the two is AVP. The aliens from AVP are much smarter and deadlier than the aliens from AVPR. If the Strause Brothers ever touch the AVP franchise again then I'll loose all hope on mankind.
Quote from: The Wolf on Jan 14, 2009, 11:25:54 AM
I agree. I was just saying the vision's were different. AvP visions were too different and was stupid. Everything on the Predator's in that movie was watered down.
I disagree. I like the individualistic visions, representing different mask types. The representations of the predators were not wartered down, they were portrayed as they should have been, unless you were talking about the violence? In which case, as stated before there was more Alien and Predator blood, and the director chose to do a less gory approach, instead using stylised violence such as the slow motin slicing of a face hugger.
The different masks were nice, but the Predators weren't watered down. They just looked silly. And were a bit stupid.
I go for the sequel.
the predators were Gigantic, fat and the ground shook when they walked, heck Celtic even crushed a skull by just stepping on it. They're dreadlocks were also too long covering their lower chests. I also hated the lion growl.. i would have liked the movie more if the Predators looked at least normal.
They wore armour to protect themselves. Whats the big deal? They looked odd but at least it would allow them to stay alive longer. :P
the polls are steadily changing! :o
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jan 15, 2009, 05:22:39 PM
I go for the sequel.
me too. i dont think they could screw up 3 times.
Quote from: War Wager on Jan 16, 2009, 11:37:27 AM
They wore armour to protect themselves. Whats the big deal? They looked odd but at least it would allow them to stay alive longer. :P
That's not really a good statement you made.
"f**k if one of the Main creature looks and acts odd", that's what you basically just said, but the reason people come and see the movie are the Main attractions which includes the Predator, so when he looks like a gigantic couch potato with parts of an Air Plane stuck into its ass its OK for you? Not to mention the ridiculous facial expression Scar has.
Talk about piss poor Aliens fans whining about their flashy Alien designs.. ::)
I've never moaned once about their flashy, sorry, fleshy designs. The point is there's a load of reasons for 'em to be wearing a lot of armour.
Other than them being slow and fat? Coulda fooled me.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 16, 2009, 12:22:42 PM
Talk about piss poor Aliens fans whining about their flashy Alien designs.. ::)
Warning! This thread has been exposed to extreme levels of blasphemy!
Mockery aside, am I the only one who noticed people with predators/predaliens in ther names/avatars/sigs seem to all think AvP:R Is great?
I, however, believe it is clearly NOT.
Wolf may have been better designed, but he wasn't better used.
It's like old-design batman desperately fighting for his life with King Kong while Dark Knight-style-batman beats up a retarded chimp.
The newer one may look cooler, but you have to ask yourself, "Is he really that great if he never even faces REAL enemies?"
Because, let's face it, the Aliens in Requiem were the biggest shitsmear on the Aliens franchise ever.
Quote from: Corporal Harrison on Jan 16, 2009, 09:33:58 AM
the predators were Gigantic, fat and the ground shook when they walked, heck Celtic even crushed a skull by just stepping on it. They're dreadlocks were also too long covering their lower chests. I also hated the lion growl.. i would have liked the movie more if the Predators looked at least normal.
Yes, being massive is badass. Think of some of the Predators as the weight lifters/ wrestlers of the pack. The reason the Predators have different skin colors is they're like snakes, and different types of snakes have different colorations. This can be adapted to dreadlock length and sheer bulk. I think having al types of Predators, come Celtic to Wolf and Pussyface, is a nice touch and more realistic. I like the growls, remind me there are predatory beasts underneath the mask.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jan 16, 2009, 12:18:26 PM
the polls are steadily changing! :o
Interesting isn't it. The film critics hated AvPR more, but the fans liked it more.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jan 16, 2009, 12:22:42 PM
That's not really a good statement you made.
"f**k if one of the Main creature looks and acts odd", that's what you basically just said, but the reason people come and see the movie are the Main attractions which includes the Predator, so when he looks like a gigantic couch potato with parts of an Air Plane stuck into its ass its OK for you? Not to mention the ridiculous facial expression Scar has.
Talk about piss poor Aliens fans whining about their flashy Alien designs.. ::)
I went to AvPR to see a quality movie, with good acting, film technique and thrills.
I liked the Predators in AvP, their portrayl was not overly wrong, just slightly different to the lithe creatures we've seen before.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 16, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
Other than them being slow and fat? Coulda fooled me.
Armour is sexy.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Jan 17, 2009, 01:15:12 AM
I, however, believe it is clearly NOT.
Wolf may have been better designed, but he wasn't better used.
It's like old-design batman desperately fighting for his life with King Kong while Dark Knight-style-batman beats up a retarded chimp.
The newer one may look cooler, but you have to ask yourself, "Is he really that great if he never even faces REAL enemies?"
Because, let's face it, the Aliens in Requiem were the biggest shitsmear on the Aliens franchise ever.
QFT. You've also neglected to mention the lack of imagination in the entire thing.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Jan 17, 2009, 01:15:12 AM
Warning! This thread has been exposed to extreme levels of blasphemy!
Mockery aside, am I the only one who noticed people with predators/predaliens in ther names/avatars/sigs seem to all think AvP:R Is great?
... nup.
This is what my dog thinks of AVP-R
So why's he chewing on a red puppy?
After watching the two back-to-back, AvP was actually far more enjoyable. Time to change vote. Again.
After seeing the Unrated Versions of Both movies, I would have to say I overly enjoyed the extra scenes and things in AvP compared to AvP-R
"When the second AvP movie was announced, everyone's like, 'Aw sweet! Finally cool. Its in the city!' And then half of the movie's in the sewers.. and.."
AvP 135 (38.7%)
AvPR 214 (61.3%)
Thank you for posting what is already obvious and contributing nothing to the discussion.
Hi guys, my first post here. Hate to be a noob on the forum but what can I do.
I gotta say Im absolutely SHOCKED by the vote. Im a member of few movie and music forums, and avpR is always cited amongst Batman& Robin and Battlefield Earth for the worst movie that ever graced the screen.
Now whenever some director says that he's a fan and he'll do a movie for the fans people go "oh-oh, remember what Strass bros said"?
I loved AVP. I thought its the modern day 'Aliens' and one of the best movies of the decade. Expeition heading towards the uknown, full of specs in different areas. And the great adventure aspect - we have Predators which I loved because I adore the first movie, and Scar has the same mask. And we finally get to see Alien Queen in action again and the female heroine. I thought it was terrific despite some franchise flaws.
AVPR was basically MTV's Laguna Beach with Aliens. It was the typical, cliche filled teen horror with corny overeacting and brainless plot ala Transfromers. The MTV bits (the whole teenager stuff) really made me cringe, and it was a corny B movie by-the-books. SMall town with teenagers in a lead role, attacked by some monsters: typical B straight to video crap (Critters, Killer Klowns or The Blob anybody?). Oh, and I really liked the sculpted design of Predalien, but what made the screen was so lame that I couldnt understand how anybody would greenlit something like that
Anyway, I hope to have a good time being finally amongst the fellow Aliens and Predator fans
Boobs and blood. That's all the people desire.
I've finally figured out how to increae the brightness of my tv, so Ill rewatch AvPR and see if I get a better opinion of it.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 22, 2009, 09:58:13 PM
Boobs and blood. That's all the people desire.
nice asses is all i desire. and blood.................sorry :-X
Neither the AvP nor AvP:R is good movie. They have theirs faults, but I tend towards the first one, although the second is more violent and more blooded. But AvP has great scenery and I really regret that the movie-makers didn't use it as the advantage. So I vote AvP.
I watched AVP on film 4 the other night and I have to say its much more easy to watch. its better directed the actors aren't as annoying as the AVP R ones.
When ever its on i probably watch it and I just see it as bit fun. I can understand where James Cameron was coming from now its not as bad as I thought.
Obviously I still have a problem with the 12 rating and the Predator looking to fat and the fact the two predators got taken out to easily. I dont mind them dying but atleast put up more of a fight not as soon as you see them on the screen fighting they die straight away. So they could have handled all the fights better.
And I still cringed when Lex runs off with the predator to the nest and when they escape. I didn't mind the Predator giving her a weopen but once that was done he should have told her to go and get out or something.
So over all I would still give it 2/5 but its much more watchable than AVP R which had the gore but was just a complete mess of a film.
Avpr becaus the predator didn't get it's ass kicked within the first 40 minutes
Quote from: cyraxcog117 on Jan 26, 2009, 01:19:44 AM
Avpr becaus the predator didn't get it's ass kicked within the first 40 minutes
That's a sound reasoning if you really like Predators.
Is that the only reason why you see the movie as superior?
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jan 26, 2009, 10:12:50 AM
Quote from: cyraxcog117 on Jan 26, 2009, 01:19:44 AM
Avpr becaus the predator didn't get it's ass kicked within the first 40 minutes
That's a sound reasoning if you really like Predators.
Is that the only reason why you see the movie as superior?
seems weird for me too. It sounds like we're talking about a video game or a cartoon. Does a story, plot and setting doesnt mean anything anymore? Or is it strictly a Mortal Kombat type of a thing nowadays
The Mortal Kombat aspect is a large part of a vs. movie. So it does matter to an extent.
yeah, to an extent. But aliens and predator movies were always much more than its monster. It was the plot, the characters and the tension. I wouldnt wanna see just a simple bland King Kong vs Godzilla kind of a thing
No argument there. Like we agree on, to an extent, it matters.
I just rewatched AVP, and I got some new respect for Scar. He was a pretty kick ass hunter, but my vote still stays with Wolf. But in the end, I still enjoy both films, and thats all that matters to me.
I was suprised to see so many votes going to AvPR. I like all the movies,even AVPR,,well..its got the Predator fighting Aliens,,so thats always cool. But as a movie in general AVP was better.
AvPR just seemed a little too cheesy sometimes,not to mention the pointless human story bit.
Quote from: fonzi on Feb 01, 2009, 10:10:37 AM
I was suprised to see so many votes going to AvPR. I like all the movies,even AVPR,,well..its got the Predator fighting Aliens,,so thats always cool. But as a movie in general AVP was better.
AvPR just seemed a little too cheesy sometimes,not to mention the pointless human story bit.
I couldn't agree more.
Quote from: fonzi on Feb 01, 2009, 10:10:37 AM
I was suprised to see so many votes going to AvPR. I like all the movies,even AVPR,,well..its got the Predator fighting Aliens,,so thats always cool. But as a movie in general AVP was better.
AvPR just seemed a little too cheesy sometimes,not to mention the pointless human story bit.
AvP and AvP:R both have the same level of suck because both films had something the other one lacked.
The only aspectss AVP lacked that AVP2 had was a spot on Predator design and a R rating. AVP2 lacked countless aspectss that AVP had. For example, cool lighting, long and well choreographed fights and acting. And that's just a few!
Cool lighting? What cool lighting?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2009, 06:09:56 PM
Cool lighting? What cool lighting?
the saturated blue filtering, reminiscent of the Aliens movie
Which is why the whole pyramid sequence was shot in gray, right?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2009, 03:52:47 PM
Which is why the whole pyramid sequence was shot in gray, right?
It wasn't. They just heavily saturated the colors. The predominant color is royal blue thought, and its most evident during the outside scenes
I didn't see any blue in that entire movie. My feeling was that the entire pyramid sequence could've been shot in black and white and it wouldn't have made a difference. The only colour variation I really remember was the red lighting in the Queen's chamber.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 09, 2009, 05:40:37 PM
I didn't see any blue in that entire movie. My feeling was that the entire pyramid sequence could've been shot in black and white and it wouldn't have made a difference. The only colour variation I really remember was the red lighting in the Queen's chamber.
Perhaps maybe because the colors were desaturated a bit too much, although fine for my tastes. The blue is most visible outside, like I said. Its that desaturated royal blue, beautiful looking filtering if you ask me. Love it since I a huge James Cameron fan and he always uses the blue/green filters on his movies. It gives it that great otherwordly look
Outside
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Inside
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And here's a regular, untouched coloring from avpR for example
Inside
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Outside
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Just one of the many reasons Requiem looks so cheap. ^
Quote from: War Wager on Feb 09, 2009, 07:28:18 PM
Just one of the many reasons Requiem looks so cheap. ^
requiem actually
was cheap. It was made in canada, but its not much cheaper there than in US, and $40 mill in US or canada for a scifi movie is very low. The first one was done for $60 but in Czech Republic, done for 1/3 of the US price, so the movie is actually done like it had a ~$150 mill budget. Thats why it feels so big and poor avpR suffers in comparison and seems like a low budget straight to DVD flick
AvP looks a lot more expensive than it actually is. That was one of Andersons goals and I think he pulled it off really well. AvPR looks even cheaper than it actually is because the movies visual style is non existent. Even if the colour grading wasn't so murky, it would still look cheap ass.
well, thats probably due to the fact that it was someone's very first movie
Er... Alien3... Finchers first feature? :P
Quote from: War Wager on Feb 09, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
Er... Alien3... Finchers first feature? :P
ah dang it, completely went out of my head. Youre right. I guess simply some people have it and some dont. I thought avpR was actually an ok.fine monster flick, but I still say it was a mjor mistake to give the franchise to a no-name at that point. Get someone who at least had one big hit under his name, not to Eric Cartman and Kenny
They were both reasonable but AVPR had a few ridiculous bits like the little bit of acid burning the guy's arm off.
How was that ridiculous? Acid blood is supposed to burn thoroughly.
I may be mistaken, but didnt a "little bit of acid" orginally melt through 3 floors of the spaceship Nostromo in Alien. So I think a small amount could easily melth through an arm.
Yep, you're right ;) It's been theorized by some Alien fans that facehugger blood is more potent than the blood of a drone or Warrior because it needs to survive up until it successfully impregnates a host.
An the acid of the egg itself is supposedly the most potent acid of all the life stages of the Alien. (I got that one from Aliens DNA War and Aliens Nightmare Asylum). :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 10, 2009, 04:51:29 PM
How was that ridiculous? Acid blood is supposed to burn thoroughly.
It's not ridiculous in terms of it burning the arm off, it's ridiculous in terms of story telling. It doesn't serve any purpose other than to be mindless, random violence.
Not really. Buddy shot the hugger at point blank range, so it makes sense for some blood to have splattered on him.
Yeah, but it didn't need to happen. The Hugger could have just leaped on him from the side.
Yea he could have been implanted far easier, but it was entertaining to see some acid effects in a present day film. No acid damage in AVP (other than armor or clothing burning). But nothing as Bad as say Drake in Aliens when you see him get a face full of acid. That was probably the most acid damage we have seen until AVP-R (both the arm scene and whats his name Melting in the Sports store).
I think the hand scene was important to show right away that this is gonna be a gory movie with higher rating than its predecessor, and that was this scene's purpose.
I admit thought, the acting and the reaction of the the kid was so fake, that no matter what I can't 'buy' this scene
When I saw that scene first time I was like "Dammit they've went overboard".
It really wasn't all that graphic. Considering his arm melted off, we didn't really see that much blood.
WHat doesn't make sense about that scene is that after being shot, the facehugger fell forward? WTF? Surely the force from the gun would have sent it backwards, thus spraying most of the blood backwards as well...
Simple physics mistake. Believe me, the film had bigger problems.
I changed my vote for AVP.
well i went for avp.
avp
predator costume is shit doesnt look like the original
better quality
better acting
good characters
alien looks like shit too
avpr
there's only one predator
predator looks ooriginal
alien is like shit in this movie is not even avpr is predator kicking aliens ass
alien costume look good
there's a shit load of alien against one and predator kills all of them witch they really can't
so yea avp is way better than avpr. but i like the story
Quote from: Alan Dutch Schaefer on Dec 27, 2007, 02:18:01 AM
one thing i have to about Paul Anderson is that he read the original comics because the predators did befriend a woman and helped the humans. they also tore off a finger on an alien and made a scar symbol on the forehead
But Paul Anderson did put on the trailer that who ever wins we loose, so lex was helping the predator ??? If he's going to make a movie ryt make it ryt. Don't try to copy by a comic >:(
I've always liked AVP better than AVP2. Mainly because it has a better story/plot, special effects and much better acting. The dialogue was just as hollow as AVP2's in my opinion, but the acting made it seem like Shakespearean dialogue compared to AVP2.
On the other hand, I must admit, I liked the AVP2 Predator design way more than AVP's.
I'm surprised to see that so many people choose AVP2 over AVP :o
Why does that surprise you?
Well, for one AVP was more of a versus film than AVP2. AVP2 was more like Predator hunting Alien.
That's what a versus movie involves. One creature hunting the other.
QuoteAVP2 was more like Predator hunting Alien.
Thats what the Predator is all about.
Quote from: Predator King on Feb 19, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
AVP2 was more like Predator hunting Alien.
more like hunting predalien. aliens in this movie werent even an issue, they were just flies
The first one was more of versus like you said. Aliens always seem to end up getting the upper hand because its pure, raw nature, something that we've been proven over and over again that no technology is gonna be superior to the mother nature and animalistic instincts.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 19, 2009, 11:48:32 PM
QuoteAVP2 was more like Predator hunting Alien.
Thats what the Predator is all about.
When it comes to hunting humans. When they battle Aliens, it is more equally spaced out because Aliens are just as stealthy as Predators, if not, more.
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 20, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Quote from: Predator King on Feb 19, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
AVP2 was more like Predator hunting Alien.
more like hunting predalien. aliens in this movie werent even an issue, they were just flies
The first one was more of versus like you said. Aliens always seem to end up getting the upper hand because its pure, raw nature, something that we've been proven over and over again that no technology is gonna be superior to the mother nature and animalistic instincts.
I couldn't agree more.
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 20, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Quote from: Predator King on Feb 19, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
AVP2 was more like Predator hunting Alien.
more like hunting predalien. aliens in this movie werent even an issue, they were just flies
The first one was more of versus like you said. Aliens always seem to end up getting the upper hand because its pure, raw nature, something that we've been proven over and over again that no technology is gonna be superior to the mother nature and animalistic instincts.
But being the ultimate hunter means being able to overcome that animal instinct. That's why Pred tech is so advanced.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2009, 08:56:38 PM
Quote from: Hyperdyne on Feb 20, 2009, 01:16:43 AM
Quote from: Predator King on Feb 19, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
AVP2 was more like Predator hunting Alien.
more like hunting predalien. aliens in this movie werent even an issue, they were just flies
The first one was more of versus like you said. Aliens always seem to end up getting the upper hand because its pure, raw nature, something that we've been proven over and over again that no technology is gonna be superior to the mother nature and animalistic instincts.
But being the ultimate hunter means being able to overcome that animal instinct. That's why Pred tech is so advanced.
But thats not how it is. technology and mind cannot overcome nature and basic animalistic instincts. hell, the huge Roman empire was beaten by blood thirsty barbarians , thats another huge example.
James Cameron's message in all of his movies is how nature and basic force will always win over mind and technology, wheter its people winning the war against super advanced machines in Terminator, or unsinkable gigantic ship being defeated by nature in Titanic, its the same theme. Same with Alien series, all four movies. No matter how advanced, wheter its marines or high tech scietists, nature and animals always win.
Same with 'Jaws'. Same with 'The Ghost and The Darkness' and on and on.
And same with the first, and virtually every AVP comic book. It ALWAYS ends the same way. Things get out off control and its not abut winning anymore, but about surviving in a place overrun by aliens
And AVP held to that notion. AVPR on the other hand ,did not and showed us video game and cartoon scenario instead with one big guy beating them all and even humans easily containing the species
How was Wolf containing the Aliens? By the time they came out of the sewers, they started spreading like wildfire.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2009, 11:10:50 PM
How was Wolf containing the Aliens? By the time they came out of the sewers, they started spreading like wildfire.
People contained aliens.
Wolf on the other hand, should have a very tough time fighting an alien. in AVP comic, aliens were always lethally deangerous for predators and could take them out in one on out fight. Only the strongest and eldest could actaually put up a fight (talking biut the original comic), and they were suing blades and weapons , not bare hands.
In first AVP I thought it was already a bit of a stretch to show them in hand to hand combat and being kinda equal.
Yet in AvpR, Wolf easily holds two aliens with his bare hands and throws them around like rag dolls, like getting rid of a mosquito on your hand. He doesnt have ANy problem fighting multiple alien
SAnd as far as infestation, that was horribly done and thats what actually ruined the franchise. Why aliens stayed in one place?
I think Dark Horse's '88 continuation of Aliens shows exactly how its suppose to look like. Queen gets on earth and within no time the entire planet is overrun by aliens and not even an army can do anything, mass chaos and infastation follows, a true armageddon
yet in avpR aliens never spread even thought life is all around everywhere. aliens werent the main problem. aliens were contained with "click', just like that with a bomb.
Its different with LV where there was rock all around and only one colony with life forms/humans, when in avpR it doesnt make sense they didnt spread.The way it screws everything up is that it was the worst scenario and the whole point of the alien series - NOT to get them remotedly close to earth cause life as we know it would end, just like in 88 comic continuation. And yet avpR shows it wasnt really a problem, jthey didnt move anywhere depsite life being all around and one bomb ended a problem.
You're comparing a relatively low-budget sci-fi film to a comic book where anything is possible? Already your argument is flawed. Apples and oranges.
Naturally the Aliens should spread beyond the boundaries of the city, but because of budget and the film's overall scope, that wasn't possible. As far as the viewers are concerned, the Aliens were solely within Gunnison County so the nuke was all that was needed.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2009, 02:14:32 AM
You're comparing a relatively low-budget sci-fi film to a comic book where anything is possible? Already your argument is flawed. Apples and oranges.
Naturally the Aliens should spread beyond the boundaries of the city, but because of budget and the film's overall scope, that wasn't possible. As far as the viewers are concerned, the Aliens were solely within Gunnison County so the nuke was all that was needed.
well then if budget didnt allow it, why attempt it? Thats even worse - to sacrifice logic and message of the whole series just cause the budget was low. In thatcase, dont place aliens on earth, not in US or any populated area at least. Texas could be more acceptable or something like this, with the setting of "Tremors' lets say.
And they still wouldnt have to do a full scale big budget movie showing aliens overtaking the world. Im not saying they should. Im saying what would happen if aliens would reach the earth, and nothing like it happened in avpr.they screwed up the franchise whatever the reason was. And still, they could do it "Signs" style - dont show the world, just the perspective of a small town
well then if budget didnt allow it, why attempt it? Thats even worse - to sacrifice logic and message of the whole series just cause the budget was low. In thatcase, dont place aliens on earth, not in US or any populated area at least. Texas could be more acceptable or something like this, with the setting of "Tremors' lets say.
And they still wouldnt have to do a full scale big budget movie showing aliens overtaking the world. Im not saying they should. Im saying what would happen if aliens would reach the earth, and nothing like it happened in avpr.they screwed up the franchise whatever the reason was. And still, they could do it "Signs" style - dont show the world, just the perspective of a small town
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I'm glad they at least attempted this concept. But I doubt FOX will give out the cash for anything as grand as Aliens Earth Hive showing the Earth encompassed in Aliens. They had no choice but to make it smaller due to budget, and it wasn't a bad representation of a town overrun by Aliens. Should it have spread? Most definitly. But FOX would need to give a bigger shit about these films to give them more money.
Quote from: dachande89 on Feb 21, 2009, 06:33:22 AM
I'm glad they at least attempted this concept. But I doubt FOX will give out the cash for anything as grand as Aliens Earth Hive showing the Earth encompassed in Aliens. They had no choice but to make it smaller due to budget, and it wasn't a bad representation of a town overrun by Aliens. Should it have spread? Most definitly. But FOX would need to give a bigger shit about these films to give them more money.
Which, given a bigger budget, could ideally lead to the Peter Briggs' script being used. One can only dream I suppose.
well, all in all I think they did ok. They gave us some entertaining low budget B horror flick, I enjoyed it. But they should give at least some reason or explanation to why aliens didnt spread and thus were easily contained
Meh, it's a film that doesn't encourage much thinking. That's why it's a B film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2009, 07:18:39 AM
Meh, it's a film that doesn't encourage much thinking. That's why it's a B film.
I agree, but just like, lets say - Critters - no depth, no big thinking or anything, just cheesy entertainement. Little town, monsters. Just sit back, get popcorn and have fun kind of thing
Exactly. Which is what I get out of watching AvP:R: fun :)
I perfer AVP, but I agree. AVPR is a good popcorn flick.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2009, 11:25:56 PM
That's what a versus movie involves. One creature hunting the other.
No is both of them hunting each other. :P
This ^
Freddy Vs Jason delivered good fight scenes because they both ripped the shit outta each other. Way more entertaining that anything AvPR conjured up.
Quote from: War Wager on Feb 22, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
This ^
Freddy Vs Jason delivered good fight scenes because they both ripped the shit outta each other. Way more entertaining that anything AvPR conjured up.
Freddy Vs Jason was successful in story, fights, and special affects. The only thing is a Jap directed it and ruined the soundtrack with heavy metal
FvJ was decent but the story devoplment was poor, it had full of plot holes and it a awful ending. I think AVP1 was better but that not saying much.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2009, 07:24:40 AM
Exactly. Which is what I get out of watching AvP:R: fun :)
Though that wasn't the basis for the Oscar-winning Alien and Aliens though. :-\
Cheesy entertainment is fine - but not at the expense of
the Alien.
If that were true, Batman would never have been turned into a campy 60's TV show because the comic was dark and gritty.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 25, 2009, 05:20:17 AM
If that were true, Batman would never have been turned into a campy 60's TV show because the comic was dark and gritty.
If
what was true? That campiness was the basis for Alien and Aliens, or that the Alien shouldn't be treated in a poor manner?
Cheesy entertainment not being based around something that was serious in tone initially.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2009, 03:22:17 AM
Cheesy entertainment not being based around something that was serious in tone initially.
Did you even
read my post?
Yeah man. The series was serious in tone initially, and it turned campy. I didn't quite enjoy that minor detour that occurred.
I still don't know what you're pitching, really, though I'm getting the idea that you prefer the A/P movies to be cheesy entertainment, no?
Ok, for your sake because I know you're still young, I'll repeat myself.
Cheesy entertainment can be made from any source material. Your initial point about the Alien not being the subject of cheesy entertainment was pointless because it's fair game. There's nothing about the Alien that makes it so special which ensures it will not be in a B-movie at some point down the road.
QuoteThough that wasn't the basis for the Oscar-winning Alien and Aliens though.
Cheesy entertainment is fine - but not at the expense of the Alien.
And its not like they won Oscars for best picture or anything, sound fx and special effects, WOW! Its something better now! And thats really Stan Winstons work not even camerons, no Winston no Oscar.
Get down from your high horse, really, if anything is cheesy entertainment then its Aliens. Nothing but a overly long rollercoaster ride.
That's not a bad thing, but that's it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2009, 03:00:11 PM
Ok, for your sake because I know you're still young, I'll repeat myself.
Cheesy entertainment can be made from any source material. Your initial point about the Alien not being the subject of cheesy entertainment was pointless because it's fair game. There's nothing about the Alien that makes it so special which ensures it will not be in a B-movie at some point down the road.
I know...just because it
can doesn't mean it
should, was my
point.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Feb 27, 2009, 03:05:31 PM
QuoteThough that wasn't the basis for the Oscar-winning Alien and Aliens though.
Cheesy entertainment is fine - but not at the expense of the Alien.
And its not like they won Oscars for best picture or anything, sound fx and special effects, WOW! Its something better now! And thats really Stan Winstons work not even camerons, no Winston no Oscar.
Get down from your high horse, really, if anything is cheesy entertainment then its Aliens. Nothing but a overly long rollercoaster ride.
That's not a bad thing, but that's it.
And it was under James Cameron's direction that landed Sigourney Weaver an Actress In A Leading Role nomination.
"if anything is cheesy entertainment then its Aliens. Nothing but a overly long rollercoaster ride."
If Aliens is cheesy I don't wanna know what AvP-R is...
Alien and Predator series where never a oscar winning series to begin with. They only got noms or won a Oscar was due to their Visual effects never the story or acting. You guys are taking things too serious really. The Series was never at Godfather or Citizen Kane level when it came to fliming.
QuoteBatman would never have been turned into a campy 60's TV show because the comic was dark and gritty.
Batman comics never became dark until like the 80's when Frank Miller came with "The Dark Knight Returns" and also the show was made in the 60's where most stuff at the time.
Re-read the older ones.
You mean the ones from the 30's? Yeah their where pretty dark for their time but not as dark as the ones made in the 80's from Frank Miller which was a big hit that the tone of the GN used in the Batman 1989 and Batman Begins.
I think comparing AVP movies with the Alien or Predator series is like comparing Milk and Water when their different from each other. AVP movies are meant to be fun popcorn flicks while Alien series and Predator 1/2 are taken more serious with Story, Acting and Setting. You can say the same thing with Other Movies like Gojira and King Kong 1933.
Which is milk and water? Coz milk is good for you. Then again, so's water, but milk has more benefits.
My Point is that AVP movies and Alien/Predator are different each other and it stupid to compare them. If you watch AVP and hoping for the same impact the original movies have then your watching the wrong movie since the AVP movies are mean to be popcorn flicks that have each Race fighting each other. It a vs movie after all and you don't expect state of Art in a Crossover movie.
QuoteIt a vs movie after all and you don't expect state of Art in a Crossover movie.
That's not quite true, before AvP came out i always imagined a AvP movie that has the same quality of the original series, but instead of that Fox made the typical mainstream assembly line lacklustre of two dying franchises, sometimes that can be entertaining, fun summer popcorn flick, i enjoy allot of those, but avp doesn't even manage to deliever that and
that's the sad thing about it.
Quote from: Kaworu on Mar 01, 2009, 12:21:07 AM
My Point is that AVP movies and Alien/Predator are different each other and it stupid to compare them. If you watch AVP and hoping for the same impact the original movies have then your watching the wrong movie since the AVP movies are mean to be popcorn flicks that have each Race fighting each other. It a vs movie after all and you don't expect state of Art in a Crossover movie.
Yes, they're popcorn flicks. Just because they ARE popcorn flicks doesn't mean they SHOULD HAVE been popcorn flicks. I highly doubt Anderson said "I'm not gonna try, I can't top Alien or Aliens. I'm just gonna make this thing dumb and entertaining."
The concept for
Alien is about as B-movie as you can get, but Ridley Scott didn't say "f**k it, it's a monster killing people, let's get it over and done with."
Also, I never said it was on the level of Citizen Kane. Of course it's not! I just don't want a bad movie. As in, I don't want it to suck. :-\
I don't want a bad movie but I would not say the AVP movies at the same level of Alien or Predator since the AVP movies are mean to different from each other. The movie was loosey based on the comics and the comics where never the same quality of the original series.
AVPR was by a long way the greater achievement. As a loyal predator fan, I didn't like the way Anderson portrayed the predators and by that i mean they were pretty much little girlymen compared to what Arnie had to deal with. To be frank i didn't understand the need to hasten the process of the chestbusters as it really killed that Ridley Scott suspense. To be frank the plot wasn't great, in fact it was utter shite and no one argue because it really was! This film carried the Alien franchise because, to put it lightly, the entire concept has been moribund since 86. aha
Which film carried the Alien franchise?
And what do you mean, carried? The Alien franchise was going strong until Resurrection came out. There was a constant stream of comics, novels and games, and it went through four movies.
If anything, the AvP concept, and is movies, have been carrying the Predator franchise, which bombed by its second movie and barely has half the expanded universe the Alien franchise does. Even if you argue Alien 3 and Resurrection are awful, they still made money and they still got made, which is more than can be said for Predator 3.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2009, 09:48:07 PM
Which film carried the Alien franchise?
And what do you mean, carried? The Alien franchise was going strong until Resurrection came out. There was a constant stream of comics, novels and games, and it went through four movies.
If anything, the AvP concept, and is movies, have been carrying the Predator franchise, which bombed by its second movie and barely has half the expanded universe the Alien franchise does. Even if you argue Alien 3 and Resurrection are awful, they still made money and they still got made, which is more than can be said for Predator 3.
Alien Resurrection is awful.
It still made money and it still got made! :P
Ouch, that was low man. :'(
Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
It still made money and it still got made! :P
And now, the Alien franchise is arguably where the Predator franchise landed after P2 came out.
I just wont ever understand what everyone's beef is with P2. It was a great sequal. :-\
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 10, 2009, 01:43:44 AM
I just wont ever understand what everyone's beef is with P2. It was a great sequal. :-\
There's a reason the Predator is called PussyFace
He lost a fist fight to Danny Glover
Quote from: Logan on Mar 10, 2009, 01:48:33 AM
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 10, 2009, 01:43:44 AM
I just wont ever understand what everyone's beef is with P2. It was a great sequal. :-\
There's a reason the Predator is called PussyFace
He lost a fist fight to Danny Glover
I can understand why.
-He got shot 6 times with a shotgun
-He got half of his arm cut off
-He was having trouble breathing (whether it was because of being in our atmosphere or being shot a bunch of times, either way)
- He fell off a building.
And even after getting all that punishment, he was still going to kill Glover, the only reason he lost was because he decided to walk the ring of death like some kind of macho-f**k. He took his sweet time instead of just finishing him, which is what led to him, getting killed. The reason was being overconfident, not a pussy.
I can understand why.
-He got shot 6 times with a shotgun
-He got half of his arm cut off
-He was having trouble breathing (whether it was because of being in our atmosphere or being shot a bunch of times, either way)
- He fell off a building.
And even after getting all that punishment, he was still going to kill Glover, the only reason he lost was because he decided to walk the ring of death like some kind of macho-f**k. He took his sweet time instead of just finishing him, which is what led to him, getting killed. The reason was being overconfident, not a pussy.
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Well the same could be said for the first pred about the macho crap. If he didn't ditch his gun, have to fight arnold bare handed, and then let him crawl to his trap, he would have won. So the macho ego leading to the downfall of the pred seems to happen in any movie with a Pred. AVP- Celtic, AVP-R Wolf fighting Predalien bare handed.
Celtic didn't have a choice. He had to fight hand-to-hand because his only weapons were his net gun and wristblades. Wolf was just a moron. But it wasn't overconfidence that killed him, it was a poor move, i.e. not stabbing Chet repeatedly in the head with his wristblades when he had the chance.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2009, 06:44:33 AM
Celtic didn't have a choice. He had to fight hand-to-hand because his only weapons were his net gun and wristblades. Wolf was just a moron. But it wasn't overconfidence that killed him, it was a poor move, i.e. not stabbing Chet repeatedly in the head with his wristblades when he had the chance.
Well no I didn't mean Celtic was stupid for fighting bare handed. I meant his ego got in the way when the alien was in the net, and he had to draw the knife slowly, and approch it slowly. A quick stab to the head would have ended that fight, and he would have lived.
No argument there. I feel the exact same way...but then again, I don't blame Celtic per se. I blame Anderson's idiocy.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2009, 07:16:38 AM
No argument there. I feel the exact same way...but then again, I don't blame Celtic per se. I blame Anderson's idiocy.
Agreed
Quote from: 2012iscoming on Mar 09, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
AVPR was by a long way the greater achievement. As a loyal predator fan, I didn't like the way Anderson portrayed the predators and by that i mean they were pretty much little girlymen compared to what Arnie had to deal with. To be frank i didn't understand the need to hasten the process of the chestbusters as it really killed that Ridley Scott suspense. To be frank the plot wasn't great, in fact it was utter shite and no one argue because it really was! This film carried the Alien franchise because, to put it lightly, the entire concept has been moribund since 86. aha
AVP R was the greater achievement, your reasons are you thought the Predators were less effective and menacing. Do you consider AvPR to be the 'greater achievement' because it had a Predator who killed masses of Aliens?
You are in the opinion that AvP's plot was shite. You consider the plot of a group of adventurers going to Antarctica and getting lured in by the Predators to be prey, to be even worse than a Predator ship crashlanding and letting monsters loose, and then high school students running around to escape in a helicopter?
And how can we forget the dialogue? With such classics as: "That's crazy. The government doesn't lie to people."And: "Eddie, people are dying. We need guns."
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2009, 07:16:38 AM
No argument there. I feel the exact same way...but then again, I don't blame Celtic per se. I blame Anderson's idiocy.
That was pretty damn stupid. I doubt you would pause to savor a kill when you your prey hasn't been effectively disabled yet.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Mar 10, 2009, 08:15:56 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2009, 07:16:38 AM
No argument there. I feel the exact same way...but then again, I don't blame Celtic per se. I blame Anderson's idiocy.
That was pretty damn stupid. I doubt you would pause to savor a kill when you your prey hasn't been effectively disabled yet.
Like I said: Anderson's fault. He thought it would be cooler to have the Predator pose first.
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 10, 2009, 01:43:44 AM
I just wont ever understand what everyone's beef is with P2. It was a great sequal. :-\
Better then A3 and Resurrection, that's for sure.
QuoteWhich film carried the Alien franchise?
And what do you mean, carried? The Alien franchise was going strong until Resurrection came out. There was a constant stream of comics, novels and games, and it went through four movies.
If anything, the AvP concept, and is movies, have been carrying the Predator franchise, which bombed by its second movie and barely has half the expanded universe the Alien franchise does. Even if you argue Alien 3 and Resurrection are awful, they still made money and they still got made, which is more than can be said for Predator 3.
AvP made a whole lot of money, and AvP-r was doing fine international, doesn't change the fact that they are poor, just like A 3 and A:rez.
I rather have a classic and a solid sequel then two movies that were done for the sake of having a quadrilogy.
Predator 2 bombed because there was no Arnie and it was too violent, sometimes good movies bomb, it happens and then they stop making them, doesn't have to mean they didn't do another one because it was bad or they ran out of ideas.
There are classic movies out there that just failed miserably at the box office, take Blade Runner for example, it never got a sequel because of that, doesn't change the fact that its one of the finest pieces in Sci-fi ever made.
And a rez didn't made that much money anyway, with its big budget it actually bombed at box office.
I never wished for Predator 3, I'm happy with what we got with Predator 2, its a good ending and the franchise could rest in peace without Harrigan clones running around, something that cant be said for the Alien franchise.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 10, 2009, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: Predboy on Mar 10, 2009, 01:43:44 AM
I just wont ever understand what everyone's beef is with P2. It was a great sequal. :-\
Better then A3
Not by a long shot. A3 is a much better film, technically. It has a much better script, better character development, better acting, more suspense, and IMO, had better action.
I thought Predator 2 was a terrible movie! Just one cliche after another! Bill Paxtons acting was possibly some of the worst I've seen, but that may have been down to the fact he was given such a two-dimensional character to play in the first place.
And the Danny Glover "Bad-ass cop wiith an attitude" thing was done after Lethal Weapon.
P2 bombed because it was shit. Period.
I think Predator 2 is the better movie by a
very long shot.
You say it has a better script when infact it didn't really had a script while they were shooting, hence why the shooting went so slow.
They were building sets for a whole different script.
Quotebetter character development
There is barely any. We get to see some rapists and murderer and having seen the movie half a docent times i still cant think of one character that stood out of the crowd.
Just when we get to know the doctor, he gets killed off.
If anything A3 has poor character development and i never sympathised with any of them.
Quotebetter acting
There wasn't any outstanding acting scenes in the movie. Sigourney was doing fine, but then again so did Danny Glover who's a very good actor.
Quotemore suspense
First movie: Humans running around in dark corridors.
Second movie: humans running around in Dark corridors.
Alien 3: Humans running around in dark corridors
again, i dont know about you but the movie didn't thrilled me once when seeing the same thing a third time, plus the dog Alien design didn't looked as scary as the previous.
Quoteand IMO, had better action.
To each his own but given the fact that A3 barely has any action at all i go with Predator 2, who has some very good action and stunt sequences.
Hell, the first 10 minutes in Predator 2 are more spectacular then anything in A3.
To me alien 3 feels like an unfinished, rough cut of something the movie makers were uneven with from the start, it lacks everything. It doesn't offer anything new and its a piss poor ending to two great movies. Add the bad effects and plot holes and there goes A3.
Predator 2 all the way.
Predator 2 had a bunch of no name Jamaicans and Drug Dealers getting slaughtered by the Predator. In the extended edition of Alien 3, everyone who dies has at least something to say. The characterizations of the main characters are great - Ripley, Dillon and Clemens. Ripley is developed into something very different to how she is presented in the previous films, Dillon is a very powerful character who slowly learns to put aside his own prejudices towards Ripley; at first he thinks she can do no good but in the end it is her he comes to for help against the creature. In Predator 2 the characters a very standard, and what you'd expect of such a setting and plot; the 'hardman' cop, the rookie, the loveable partner, the 'hardman' female cop and the shady, defensive government agent. It's just nothing surprising.
I'd go on but I really can't be bothered to talk about how Predator 2 is inferior in terms of acting, artistic merit, music, suspense, drama, emotional involvement etc. It's just too long a list. The only thing Predator 2 has on Alien 3 is the Predator, which in my opinion is a better creature than the Alien...And of course the action, but that's a given.
Some of the action in Predator 2 was over the top, the least of which: the opening shootout. That was just a big WTF moment for me.
Not to mention: the Predator 2 warehouse scene was a complete ripoff of the hive sequence in Aliens with the marines.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 10, 2009, 06:26:56 PM
There are classic movies out there that just failed miserably at the box office,
And
Predator 2 is not one of them. It's not a classic movie. It's not even as good as the original. I
like the movie. It's one heckuva fun ride. But it's a shoddy film and it's no surprise that it bombed and killed the Predator film franchise in its infancy.
Quotetake Blade Runner for example, it never got a sequel because of that, doesn't change the fact that its one of the finest pieces in Sci-fi ever made.
Wasn't written for a sequel, doesn't need a sequel, should never have a sequel. Apples and oranges.
QuoteAnd a rez didn't made that much money anyway, with its big budget it actually bombed at box office.
It made twice its budget back, and a little more. 160 million on a 70 million investment. That's not a bomb.
QuoteI think Predator 2 is the better movie by a very long shot.
That's nice, but it isn't. Man, I know you're a Predator fan, but it's not the better film. The theatrical cut of
Alien 3 is bad, yes. I don't even watch it any more. The extended cut, however, blows
Predator 2 out of the water in terms of quality.
QuoteWe get to see some rapists and murderer and having seen the movie half a docent times i still cant think of one character that stood out of the crowd.
Dillon, Clemens, 85, Morse, Andrews...?
QuoteThere wasn't any outstanding acting scenes in the movie. Sigourney was doing fine, but then again so did Danny Glover who's a very good actor.
Charles Dance is a better actor than anyone who's appeared in a Predator or AvP movie. Hell, I'd say he's a better actor than the entire cast of
Aliens and
Alien Resurrection, too. Charles S. Dutton, who played Dillon, also did an awesome job, as did 85 and Andrews.
Bill Paxton's posturing is fun to watch, but I wouldn't call it good acting (Although he is a good actor).
Quotei dont know about you but the movie didn't thrilled me once when seeing the same thing a third time, plus the dog Alien design didn't looked as scary as the previous.
At least Alien 3
tried to have suspense. I can think of maybe one or two sequences in Predator 2 that tried. And failed.
QuoteHell, the first 10 minutes in Predator 2 are more spectacular then anything in A3.
Agreed.
Predator 2 wins in the action.
Which is saying nothing, given
Alien 3 isn't an action film ...
QuoteSome of the action in Predator 2 was over the top, the least of which: the opening shootout. That was just a big WTF moment for me.
In the end of the day its almost true. i just watched a video on youtube where people were robbing a shoe store and the people working at the shop just came out and started to shoot all over the place, then the other site started to shoot back. It happens.
Plus the scene was there to show that L.A is out of control, that even the cops are worthless and that its a very violent city. That's basically the reason why the Predator comes to L.A in the first place. Its a spectacular opening sequence and more entertaining then A3 altogether.
QuoteNot to mention: the Predator 2 warehouse scene was a complete ripoff of the hive sequence in Aliens with the marines.
Why exactly is it a Rip Off?
The scene has a whole different set up and action going on with the camouflage clothing being invisible to the Predator, they knew were the Predator was so Garber gave them instructions, they were there to capture him not to look for survivors, Harrigan being a prisoner etc. It was a whole different situation.
QuoteAnd Predator 2 is not one of them. It's not a classic movie. It's not even as good as the original. I like the movie. It's one heckuva fun ride. But it's a shoddy film and it's no surprise that it bombed and killed the Predator film franchise in its infancy.
I never referred to it as being a classic, i always say its a good sequel
to the first one. Something that cant be said for Alien 3.
QuoteWasn't written for a sequel, doesn't need a sequel, should never have a sequel. Apples and oranges.
Predator wasn't written for a sequel, Alien wasn't written for a sequel, they still got one because they were financially successful, that's how it goes in the movie making industry.
Nobody cares if a movie
needs a sequel, if the folks go spend their money they make another one,
Blade Runner failed at making money, hence no sequel. Apples and oranges.
QuoteIt made twice its budget back, and a little more. 160 million on a 70 million investment. That's not a bomb.
I was talking Domestically here, and there it made 45 Mil with a 75 Mil budget. i would call that a Bomb.
Studios are always looking for what the movie makes domestically.
But if you look at it as a whole, Predator 2 didn't bomb either then.
QuoteThe extended cut, however, blows Predator 2 out of the water in terms of quality.
Its about taste, and for me the extended cut doesn't do anything for movie besides the fact that its now a longer bad movie. The new ending shot sucks, the bull alien sucks, the new effects suck and the little plot about them capturing the Alien makes the creature looks stupid. Now they come up with the explanation that some guy just free it again, WOW how original and what a surprise with house full of insane people.
It really does by no mean blow Predator 2 out of the water, but since you're an Alien fan i see where you're coming from.
QuoteDillon, Clemens, 85, Morse, Andrews...?
I cant remember Morse, but then again, 5 people out of what? 20 - 30?
I wouldn't call that great characterisation, even on the names you just mentioned. Clemens remains flat, 85 is just your stupid jackass cliche that is the outsider, as in almost every movie that has a form of prison to it. Morse, Andrews? What did they do to define their characters?
QuoteCharles Dance is a better actor than anyone who's appeared in a Predator or AvP movie. Hell, I'd say he's a better actor than the entire cast of Aliens and Alien Resurrection, too. Charles S. Dutton, who played Dillon, also did an awesome job, as did 85 and Andrews.
Charles Dance is an amazing actor, but i fail to see what made him so outstanding in A3 besides giving Ripley a injection and being killed
just when we are about to trust him.
QuoteAt least Alien 3 tried to have suspense. I can think of maybe one or two sequences in Predator 2 that tried. And failed.
I remember the first time seeing Predator 2 and Alien 3, i was thrilled to the end, especially during the subway scene and the spaceship sequence, which was mindblowing to watch because you didn't expect that to come.
A3 was just another "Lets run through the dark corridors" movie and it was pretty predictable what was going to happen next. It didn't add anything new to the creature, to the setting or the Almighty evil corporation that tried to get their hands to the Alien again.
QuoteAgreed. Predator 2 wins in the action.
Which is saying nothing, given Alien 3 isn't an action film ...
I never said A3 was an action movie, but then again i never said that Alien 3 had better action to begin with.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 10, 2009, 09:56:18 PM
Why exactly is it a Rip Off?
The scene has a whole different set up and action going on with the camouflage clothing being invisible to the Predator, they knew were the Predator was so Garber gave them instructions, they were there to capture him not to look for survivors, Harrigan being a prisoner etc. It was a whole different situation.
The set up is exactly the same. The group of men go into a specific location where the creature has been cornered. Their weapons are inadequate, so they're pretty much all slaughtered. Plus, with two officials monitoring their progress from afar, in the same sort of setting as the APC (mobile vehicle). Harrigan fills the role of Ripley who says "You guys are f**ked, the Aliens have clued in", except for Harrigan, replace Aliens with Predator. Harrigan runs in to save the day, just like Ripley did. The two men monitoring their men's progress is the same thing Gorman was doing for the marines.
QuoteWhy exactly is it a Rip Off?
There's pig-headedness and then there's this. :D
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 10, 2009, 09:56:18 PMi always say its a good sequel to the first one. Something that cant be said for Alien 3.
Sure it can.
Alien 3 is a good sequel to the original. And to
Aliens. Yes, it requires one of the laziest bits of writing to get started ("Well, it's ... the egg's just
there, okay? Just accept it!"), but it's still a solid film.
QuoteBlade Runner failed at making money, hence no sequel.
It wouldn't have had a sequel even if it was successful. Not every successful film gets a sequel. Citizen Kane? Casablanca?
QuoteBut if you look at it as a whole, Predator 2 didn't bomb either then.
Depends on its budget. It only made 57 million, total.
QuoteIts about taste,
Yet you can definitively say
Predator 2 is better. Riight.
QuoteIt really does by no mean blow Predator 2 out of the water, but since you're an Alien fan i see where you're coming from.
Obviously not, because I'm not approaching this as an Alien fan. I'm approaching this as someone watching two movies. You're the one coming at it from a fanboy perspective.
QuoteI cant remember Morse, but then again, 5 people out of what? 20 - 30?
Harrigan, Keyes, Leona and Hudson-clone. Four characters. Of all the drug-lords, commuter, and random lackeys in the film, which number well over Alien 3's cast.
Oh, and Garber.
QuoteCharles Dance is an amazing actor, but i fail to see what made him so outstanding in A3 besides giving Ripley a injection and being killed just when we are about to trust him.
The character doesn't have to be amazing. But everyone remembers him, and he played the part well.
QuoteI cant remember Morse, but then again, 5 people out of what? 20 - 30?
Harrigan, Keyes, Leona and Hudson-clone. Four characters. Of all the drug-lords, commuter, and random lackeys in the film, which number well over Alien 3's cast.
Oh, and Garber.
Films don't require 20-30 well characterised characters. A couple of leads and a few supporting is sufficient. Alien3 had Ripley, Clemens, Aaron and Dillon. You could possibly throw in Golic to the AC. Predator 2? Been a while - but Harrigan and Keyes are the two most memorable. Lambert is only memorable because it's Paxton nearly reprising Hudson.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 11, 2009, 02:32:28 AM
Harrigan, Keyes, Leona and Hudson-clone. Four characters. Of all the drug-lords, commuter, and random lackeys in the film, which number well over Alien 3's cast.
Oh, and Garber.
I didn't see Garber as anything more than the loyal lapdog. Personally, I wouldn't include him in the list of 'memorable characters'.
QuoteThe set up is exactly the same.
Except for the fact that it isn't exactly the same.
QuoteThe group of men go into a specific location where the creature has been cornered.
And you call that a rip off?
And besides that, the creature hasn't been cornered, he most probably could escape from the roof and in Aliens the creatures weren't cornered either, in Aliens they weren't even there to kill the creatures but to look for survivors. Two totally different reasons.
QuoteTheir weapons are inadequate, so they're pretty much all slaughtered.
The weapons in Aliens are by no means inadequate, hence why the Aliens are being torn to shreds.
QuotePlus, with two officials monitoring their progress from afar, in the same sort of setting as the APC (mobile vehicle).
It still is a different situation. Garber was giving advices to where the creature was, he was a needed element for the group, Gorman just watched the whole thing shitting his pants.
The setting is not the same as the APC, there are monitors, that's it.
QuoteHarrigan fills the role of Ripley who says "You guys are f**ked, the Aliens have clued in", except for Harrigan, replace Aliens with Predator.
Except that Ripley never said that.
Ripley takes over when the group is already decimated and Harrigan is a prisoner who escapes to get the Predators attention on him to save the men with his "You want me, here i am" scream, because he knew all the Predator wanted is him.
QuoteThe two men monitoring their men's progress is the same thing Gorman was doing for the marines.
Again it was a different situation.
Gorman never had control over anything, he wasn't giving advices like Garber did with the keyes team. Garber knew where the Predator was, gorman didn't knew where the Aliens were, they didn't even knew that there are Aliens for sure.
The situation is different and sure not exactly the same, as you call it.
A group who knows that the Predator exists and studies him wants to capture him so they go into the slaughterhouse with camouflage suits to do the job.
In aliens we have a group that wants to evacuate survivors and don't know for sure if Aliens even exists, they are being ambushed.
In Predator 2 we have a metaphor for the Hunter becoming the hunted. The only thing that is the same is that both are being monitored, WOW, RIP OFF!!
No, just no.
Quoteure it can.
Alien 3 is a good sequel to the original. And to Aliens. Yes, it requires one of the laziest bits of writing to get started ("Well, it's ... the egg's just there, okay? Just accept it!"), but it's still a solid film.
That's whats the problem. It isn't a good sequel to a movie that made history and one that is a rollercoaster ride, because A3 is neither of it. They come up with the stupid egg explanation (did i say explanation, what explanation? its just there), they kill off all the characters we liked in
Aliens and give us a bunch of bold criminals we don't get to know very well. The dog creature (bull creature) cant hold a candle to the previous Aliens and this was the movie where it started to look fleshy. It lacked suspense (Alien) and action(Aliens), which were two key elements in the Previous installments. It didn't expended the universe or to make it short, it did nothing for the Alien series but to give it a piss weak finale with bad effects.
QuoteIt wouldn't have had a sequel even if it was successful. Not every successful film gets a sequel. Citizen Kane? Casablanca?
How do you know that? Even almost 30 years later you still hear about a possible sequel here and there and in the bonus material of the blu ray they talk about the fail of the movie and therefore Ridley never got the chance to expand the Blade Runner universe or Deckards story, which i personally would have loved to see.
QuoteDepends on its budget. It only made 57 million, total.
Predator 2 never had a 50 mil budget. I guess it was around 20 - 25 mil given that the first movie wasn't all that successfull either. And that's what it looks like as well.
QuoteYet you can definitively say Predator 2 is better. Riight.
Just like you saying A3 blows P2 out of the water?
If so, the yes i can.
QuoteObviously not, because I'm not approaching this as an Alien fan. I'm approaching this as someone watching two movies. You're the one coming at it from a fanboy perspective.
I'm not either. I didn't liked A3 wayyy before i even knew
Predator 2 even existed and i said its a bad sequel back then, Has nothing to do with me being a Predator fan, i just think Predator 2 is the better movie because it doesn't try to hide what it is, a 108 minute action romp that is fun to watch and expanded the Predator universe by a long shot. It gives you everything that one would expect from a sequel to
Predator, more creature, more action, suspense, gore elements and a strong male lead character.
You said it yourself, its one hell of a fun ride, something that i cant say about A3, this was supposed to be the last installment of something very special and they come up with this lame, uneven plot hole shit.
If you think its a good sequel and you can enjoy it everything is fine and dandy, but it really isn't. I wish it was but it really isn't.
QuoteHarrigan, Keyes, Leona and Hudson-clone. Four characters. Of all the drug-lords, commuter, and random lackeys in the film, which number well over Alien 3's cast.
Oh, and Garber.
The difference is those character were written to be victims, nothing more. Did we get to know the colonists in Aliens very well? no, because they are just a set up to get the story rolling.
In A3 we have these characters and were are stuck with them in an isolated place, we are going to spend time with them no matter what.
That's something i don't like about
Aliens either, we don't get to know the whole group of soldiers, hell, there is this guy that is dead on the ground and hicks turns him around to see his face just after the explosion in the hive and i still don't know who the f**k that is. if i remember correctly he doesn't even say a word and that's something that's just shoddy.
QuoteBut everyone remembers him, and he played the part well.
Everyone remembers King Willi. It still isn't a sign for tremendous acting.
QuoteJohnny your taste in films is a laughable at best. Predadtor 2 had terrible characters,
Yes, Predadtor 2 had terribl.. wait, what is Predadtor 2 again?
QuoteThat's something i don't like about Aliens either, we don't get to know the whole group of soldiers, hell, there is this guy that is dead on the ground and hicks turns him around to see his face just after the explosion in the hive and i still don't know who the f**k that is. if i remember correctly he doesn't even say a word and that's something that's just shoddy.
Rubbish. Focusing on Wierzbowski is a waste of time. Same with Crowe. How many films waste time developing minor background characters? We get enough of a sense of loss within the marine ranks with Apone, Dietrich, Frost and Drake. And none of them are developed either - but they have enough dialogue to make them at least slightly memorable. And as practically invisible as Wierzbowski was - he still had an odd name and gained his own fan site.
Morse is the same in Alien3 - but he has something of an arc at least. A long with Aaron and Dillon.
QuoteExcept that Ripley never said that.
"Pull your team out Gorman." Same thing.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Mar 11, 2009, 09:11:52 PM
Gorman never had control over anything, he wasn't giving advices like Garber did
What do you call him ordering Apone to collect magazines from everyone?
Quoteand give us a bunch of bold criminals we don't get to know very well.
We know the ones we need to know fine enough. Predator 2 gave us drug-lords and train commuters we didn't know at
all. Only two had names - El Scorpio and King Willy. The rest were thrown in just so they could be killed seconds later.
QuoteIt didn't expended the universe or to make it short, it did nothing for the Alien series but to give it a piss weak finale with bad effects.
It gave us a solid emotional final and finished Ripley off.
QuoteDepends on its budget. It only made 57 million, total.
Predator 2 never had a 50 mil budget. I guess it was around 20 - 25 mil given that the first movie wasn't all that successfull either. And that's what it looks like as well.[/quote]
The first Predator made 94 million. Wasn't huge, but it made money on its 18 million investment.
Predator 2 put in little money and
got little money.
QuoteI'm not either. I didn't liked A3 wayyy before i even knew Predator 2 even existed and i said its a bad sequel back then, Has nothing to do with me being a Predator fan, i just think Predator 2 is the better movie because it doesn't try to hide what it is, a 108 minute action romp that is fun to watch and expanded the Predator universe by a long shot. It gives you everything that one would expect from a sequel to Predator, more creature, more action, suspense, gore elements and a strong male lead character.
It gives you nothing but more weapons and a new location, plus a brief glimpse in the ship at the end.
Token female character. The joker side-kick. The guy the main character respects getting killed off. Seedy agent people who know more than they're letting on.
The plots?
Unit of hard-asses sent in to deal with some unruly peeps on a seemingly normal mission. On arrival they find not is all what it seems; someone is hiding information and there's someone out there, someone they weren't expecting, stalking their asses. An outsider to the group has prior knowledge of the creature they're fighting, which doesn't actually help them at all but provides some atmospheric scenes.
A trap is made for the creature, but just when it seems it may work everything goes to hell. Our main character has the crap beaten out of him and left all but defenseless, forced to use what little he has around him to defeat the Predator. Cue mano-a-mano fight and explosive finish.
Seriously,
which film am I talking about here?
Yeah, there are differences, but they're fundamentally the same (Much in the same way
Aliens is just
Alien, but with more explosives and guns).
QuoteIf you think its a good sequel and you can enjoy it everything is fine and dandy, but it really isn't. I wish it was but it really isn't.
It is. It really is. If you can't see it, tough shit. It's not a bad sequel, it just had less options open to it during the production than the previous two did. For what it is, it's perfectly fine.
QuoteIn A3 we have these characters and were are stuck with them in an isolated place, we are going to spend time with them no matter what.
We only spend real time with a handful of them. The rest, as you said, are the victims.
QuoteEveryone remembers King Willi. It still isn't a sign for tremendous acting.
Dude what was wrong with his acting. That guy was a Shakespearean actor.
QuoteYes, Predadtor 2 had terribl.. wait, what is Predadtor 2 again?
Oh, like you're one to correct
anyone's spelling. :P
I'd say it's AvPR. I like it more - more action, alil more gore (gore doesn't affect the film much, but with gore, it gets alil more scarrier), better Pred design and of course Pred acted like a pred now.
But the aliens were kinda shitty, the acting/script was absolute CRAP... If they make a 3rd one, they at least have to get it good, not g*y... Like in space with colonial mariens or something
Welcome aboard, mate :P
AVP:
Pros:
-Better/more imaginative story
-Better Alien design
-Grid Alien
-Better Dialouge
-Better Characters
-Longer A/P fights
-Better ending
-Excellent visual effects
-More suspense than AVP:R
Cons:
-PG-13ness.
-Predator Designs/Mannerisms weren't as good, or true to Pred1 and Pred2.
-Though imo I can live with or without it, the Lex/Scar team-up wasn't really a pro. Especially with a tagline like "Whoever wins..we loose". lol.
AVPR:
Pros:
-More gore/shock value
-Better Predator design. Wolf was awesome, and badass.
-Predalien (I like it, presonally)
-Though poorly developed, the characters were more relatable, in the sense that their problems were more common.
-Good Alien head design (ridged head)
-Better action
-It was Rated R.... ;D
Cons:
-The Aliens weren't played that well/were not as realistic as the ones in previous films
-Bad acting/Dialouge
-Wolf seemed to overpower the aliens... only tension between the creatures was when the Predalien was around
-Lack of suspense
-Bad Cinematography
I gotta go with AVP....but very slightly over AVP:R.
This ^
Quote from: philsaw101134 on Apr 04, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
-Longer A/P fights
FightS? There was only one, true 'fight' in the whole film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: philsaw101134 on Apr 04, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
-Longer A/P fights
FightS? There was only one, true 'fight' in the whole film.
Well, I still count Scar v.s. Queen.
The rest of the clashed were small, but it worked out for what they were.
I forgot one important Pro for AVP:............Lance Henriksen. 8)
Quote from: philsaw101134 on Apr 04, 2009, 09:03:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2009, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: philsaw101134 on Apr 04, 2009, 08:19:28 PM
-Longer A/P fights
FightS? There was only one, true 'fight' in the whole film.
Well, I still count Scar v.s. Queen.
Wasn't much a fight; more like a race, really.
You've said that before. And people said that was wrong then. A race implies there's a definitive end or goal. Chase, yes, race, no.
Even then, they still fought
The only running in that scene was between Lex and the Queen and it lasted no more than 7 seconds. :P
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 05, 2009, 11:48:07 AM
The only running in that scene was between Lex and the Queen and it lasted no more than 7 seconds. :P
That's already longer then the "fight" between scar and the queen.
i just thought of this, but they should make predator talk a little bit in the possible 3rd AVP.
you know, like in the oldies.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 05, 2009, 08:23:07 AM
You've said that before. And people said that was wrong then. A race implies there's a definitive end or goal. Chase, yes, race, no.
Even then, they still fought
Ok fine, chase. I'll remember that for next time. My point is, it wasn't much of a fight because there seemed to be more running away than anything else.
But like War Wager said, it only went seven seconds of the entire sequence. Which was a hell of a lot longer than 14 seconds.
15 seconds at least. I'd even go to 16.
QuoteOk fine, chase. I'll remember that for next time. My point is, it wasn't much of a fight because there seemed to be more running away than anything else.
It was a "running" theme in that film.
See what I did there?
*Fans self* I do declare!
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2009, 06:10:01 AM
QuoteOk fine, chase. I'll remember that for next time. My point is, it wasn't much of a fight because there seemed to be more running away than anything else.
It was a "running" theme in that film.
See what I did there?
:D genius!!
Well, I am admitting my bias to Predator. I care more about the attention given to the Pred rather than the attention given to the Aliens, so I've gotta go with AVPR.
The Wolf Pred was just so much cooler than the Preds in AVP. The AVP preds looked clunky and hokey and the whole teaming up w/ the girl was so corny ... even if it was something that took place in an AVP comic. The AVPR Pred's design was way more badass and more like Pred 2 or Pred 1. And he was just awesome, had awesome technology and was very skilled, etc.
I also just think atmospherically, AVPR was more on the money, it was dark, bloody and all that good stuff.
The one thing I will day is the first AVP had a very interesting plot, but it just fell too flat. The Preds didn't do well and the acting was bad.
AVPR also had bad acting, actually worse acting than the first AVP, but the atmosphere and how awesome the Wolf Pred was give it the edge for me.
What are your thoughts on AvP:R's lighting? It's a hot topic round here.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 16, 2009, 04:45:24 AM
What are your thoughts on AvP:R's lighting? It's a hot topic round here.
AVPR is very dark and the fighting scenes are chaotic and hard to follow, but the fighting scenes in AVP were hard to follow as well. Even though alot of people don't like the dark lighting, I do, I think it adds a more eerie/horror kind of element to the movie.
Nice, join the club :)
I voted for AvP. I mean, I always say, they are both good, but they could be better.
But as I watched a commentary, Anderson is hardcore of Alien quadrilogy, as some of the scenes slightly resembles with those in Alien q. This made me to like this movie more. :)
AvP is also rewatchable, or how should I call it. I have no problem to watch it twice a week, it's really great movie. I cannot say that for AvP:R.
I'm sorry for brothers Strause, I think they did a decent work with Predators and Aliens, but it cannot be compared with original Predator and Alien movies.
AVP:R , I actually rewatch the unrated version at home versus not watching AVP at all.
avpr is an embarrassment and extremely amateurish movie, but then again, what can you expect from the first time directors that just got out of high school and act like butthead and beavis. The movie relies on creatures and gore, thats it. no story, no nothing. Despite the rating, I agree with LA times review that its obviously geared towards young male audience
I'll always take AvP:R over AvP. AvP was boring and flat. At least AvP:R kept me awake.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 08, 2009, 07:01:42 AM
I'll always take AvP:R over AvP. AvP was boring and flat. At least AvP:R kept me awake.
but at least AVP had a facy big budget fx, long buildup (40 min till we see any creature) and the queen (even tho the queen herself wasnt what wed expect, but still)
Quotebut at least AVP had a facy big budget fx
Obviously wasn't big enough.
Quotelong buildup (40 min till we see any creature)
Spent 'developing' characters we never really cared about.
Quoteand the queen (even tho the queen herself wasnt what wed expect, but still)
T-Rex dressed up as a Queen.
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 09, 2009, 07:42:26 AM
but at least AVP had a facy big budget fx, long buildup (40 min till we see any creature) and the queen (even tho the queen herself wasnt what wed expect, but still)
And shitty Predator designs, and shitty Alien designs, and almost no action, and the same lack lighting, and lack of a colour palette, and another shitty script.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 09, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
and shitty Alien designs, and almost no action, and the same lack lighting, and lack of a colour palette, and another shitty script.
Not the same at all.
AVP's Aliens didn't look like men in rubber suits in every damn shot, had about the same amount of action, perfect lighting (hid the Aliens without straining they eye), and at least a somewhat coherent script.
AvP may have had the same amount of action, but AvP:R was more exciting. AvP's action was barely more than a few seconds at most (the exceptions being CvG and Queen vs. Lex and Scar) and was still boring.
There was at least some intensity in AvP's fights, anyone could have won.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 09, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
And shitty Predator designs, and shitty Alien designs, and almost no action, and the same lack lighting, and lack of a colour palette, and another shitty script.
that too. I loved the palette tho, saturated blue. Very commmon for big movies
Im not defending either of AVPs, just saying that AVP was a 'lesser' evil. For me AVPR was just a teenage movie with people dressed in rubber alien suits, one guy that looked like mutated Bob Marley and one cool predator. AVP had the queen (yeah, the TRex. But at least she was there, fancy FX, nice cinematography and ...umm..i dont know what else, lol. Oh, I liked the setting and the idea of isolation
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2009, 02:16:48 AM
AvP may have had the same amount of action, but AvP:R was more exciting. AvP's action was barely more than a few seconds at most (the exceptions being CvG and Queen vs. Lex and Scar) and was still boring.
More exciting? You mean how they bash each other in bad lighting with no thought to the action sequences? AvP at least planned out the fights and executed them well, AvPR was wolf running around killing things without thought. You weren't given detail. Wolf goes here, kills Alien and moves on. In AvP there was the slow motion and the Celtic Grid thing. At least Celtic did more than whack Grid with wrist blades and kill him.
Don't get me started on the retarded scene where Wolf takes off his mask to fight the Pred Alien.
I also want to mention originality. With antarctica, they tried. I liked it. Putting Aliens and Predators in a normal, modern day city is so damn cliched.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on May 11, 2009, 12:01:06 PM
More exciting? You mean how they bash each other in bad lighting with no thought to the action sequences? AvP at least planned out the fights and executed them well,
They were still boring. And the end of Celtic vs. Grid was bullshit because Celtic had that fight won. The only reason he lost is because is Anderson is an admitted Alien fanboy.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on May 11, 2009, 12:01:06 PMAvPR was wolf running around killing things without thought. You weren't given detail. Wolf goes here, kills Alien and moves on. In AvP there was the slow motion and the Celtic Grid thing. At least Celtic did more than whack Grid with wrist blades and kill him.
What do you mean 'not given detail'? And the action wasn't centred solely around Wolf; National Guard scene case in point.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on May 11, 2009, 12:01:06 PM
In AvP there was the slow motion and the Celtic Grid thing.
i thought that fight was idiotic and not because the alien won but because of the slow motion and tackling/wrestling moves, when two extremely deadly creatures meet the fight should be quick, it's AvP not Mortal Kombat (wasn't a big fan of the Wolf v. predalien fight either but I understood the need for a finale)
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2009, 03:56:52 PM
And the end of Celtic vs. Grid was bullshit because Celtic had that fight won.
yes what's the point of having him lose like an idiot, it would be more satisfying to both alien and predator fans if grid won that fight straight up
Hey, we love the films plenty fine.
Just, y'know, the good ones.
Which the AVP movies aren't.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 11, 2009, 11:21:30 PM
Well, AVPR is better, but golly gee I won't waste your time on another positive review, though on this site writing a review feels like you're presenting a case. ::)
I've only been here a couple of days and am starting to wonder why I bothered. So much talk about the books, comics, etc, which is to be expected, but every thread remotely about how good any AVP film is is decimated completely. Film fans aren't welcome here it seems. :
Boo-hoo. :'(
You
can talk about the AvP films. But other people have the right to retort with their opinion; respectfully. :)
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 12, 2009, 05:21:54 AM
Boo-hoo. :'(
You can talk about the AvP films. But other people have the right to retort with their opinion; respectfully. :)
Plus vice versa... ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2009, 03:56:52 PM
They were still boring. And the end of Celtic vs. Grid was bullshit because Celtic had that fight won. The only reason he lost is because is Anderson is an admitted Alien fanboy.
And I thought it wasn't boring. I thought Celtic throwing Grid around and slamming him into wall was awesome. This argument can go back and forth because we're basing this on personal opinion. However I agree the end of the Celtic vs Grid was bullshit. Yet so was Wolf pulling his mask off in a fight with a creature that has no perception of 'fighting fair.'
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2009, 03:56:52 PM
What do you mean 'not given detail'? And the action wasn't centred solely around Wolf; National Guard scene case in point.
I meant how the camera doesn't give you the best angle of the fight + bad lighting + the pouring rain means the fights seem distinctly lacking to me. It didn't help that the fights didn't last that long for each Alien either.
So what if there were national guard? You barely saw any of the action, only the beginning bit where the Aliens ambush the soldiers. The shots of the big gun mounted on the armored carrier were litreally just the barrel of the gun firing and aliens dying. The brothers admitted those scenes were originally intended to show the protagonists manning the machine guns. Therefore they could only how the ends of the barrel and random shots of Aliens dying. My point is it doesn't matter if the action didn't all center around Wolf. Not if it was badly put together.
About Celtic and Grid wrestling: What else would you do if an Alien jumps on top of you and knocks you to the floor?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2009, 03:56:52 PM
And the end of Celtic vs. Grid was bullshit because Celtic had that fight won.
Just like how every Alien struggle with Wolf is bullshit because they are portrayed as squeeling retards?
At least the Celtic vs. Grid fight went back and forth between the two, all the "fights" in AVPR (more like playing "Why are you hitting yourself" with Aliens) were completely one-sided. So regardless of how you feel about the outcome, at least Anderson gave some equality to both creatures.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 12, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
Just like how every Alien struggle with Wolf is bullshit because they are portrayed as squeeling retards?
I'm not suggesting those fights were any less biased, but they more fun for me to watch because they weren't wrestling matches.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on May 12, 2009, 09:51:38 AM
About Celtic and Grid wrestling: What else would you do if an Alien jumps on top of you and knocks you to the floor?
Kick it off, but don't stand in front of it ducking and weaving without even trying to move away so as to avoid the tail. That scene was so embarrasing...
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 12, 2009, 06:04:35 AM
Plus vice versa... ;)
Mhm. You're in the minority though... ;)
If I may throw in my 2 cents about the fights in both films, I would say the Celtic fight is quite good, the part where the Alien is swung around amps me up. Though, it does feel somewhat like they just stepped into a ring and someone rang the bell and said "Round One", I must agree.
I think the main reason Predators swat Aliens like insects, especially in AVPR, is that they are experienced and seasoned at it, Wolf more so I would imagine.
Thats what I take from it, their experience in hunting Aliens, the way the Aliens move, leap and their general capabilities would be passed through experience and their generations. No biggie for me there.
Suffice to say most of the fighting in AVPR is done at a distance with Wolf's Plasma Cannon, the scenes like the sewer fight where the Predator rises holding two Aliens were good. They look cool, what can I say, I am a Predator fan after all. Plus, I hardly think that particular scene could have been done in the reverse.
Aliens are fodder when it comes to 'versus' stories, lets face it.
In numbers, they are viral ('Aliens', 'Alien: Res', 'AVPR') - attack indiscriminantly, are brash and abduct healthy hosts for implantation - and alone they are far more geared for survival ('Alien', 'Alien3') - stealthy and defensive.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 13, 2009, 12:57:27 AM
I think the main reason Predators swat Aliens like insects, especially in AVPR, is that they are experienced and seasoned at it, Wolf more so I would imagine.
Aliens are not mere insects. If Wolf had gone up against the Warriors from Aliens, he wouldn't have lasted more than a minute.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 13, 2009, 12:57:27 AMThats what I take from it, their experience in hunting Aliens, the way the Aliens move, leap and their general capabilities would be passed through experience and their generations. No biggie for me there.
Aliens know better than to lose feeling in their arms and tail when they're being choked.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 13, 2009, 12:57:27 AMSuffice to say most of the fighting in AVPR is done at a distance with Wolf's Plasma Cannon, the scenes like the sewer fight where the Predator rises holding two Aliens were good.
That scene was Predator fanboy wank. Had the Aliens at least been functionally retarded, Wolf would've never made it out of the sewers.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 13, 2009, 12:57:27 AMI am a Predator fan after all.
Like I said.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 13, 2009, 12:57:27 AMPlus, I hardly think that particular scene could have been done in the reverse.
You don't think the Aliens could've torn Wolf to pieces?
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 13, 2009, 12:57:27 AMAliens are fodder when it comes to 'versus' stories, lets face it.
Sweet Jesus, are you
trying to sound funny? Coz I'm trying my hardest to not burst into sheer laughter here. Read the first AvP comic and then come back and tell me the Aliens were nothing but senseless fodder.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2009, 02:53:39 AM
Aliens are not mere insects. If Wolf had gone up against the Warriors from Aliens, he wouldn't have lasted more than a minute.
I didn't say they were insects, I said 'swatting them like insects'.
Aliens know better than to lose feeling in their arms and tail when they're being choked.
Perhaps he held them at pressure points or nerve clusters. Beats me. I just use my imagination.
That scene was Predator fanboy wank. Had the Aliens at least been functionally retarded, Wolf would've never made it out of the sewers.
Oh, sure, besides the entire film of AVP was Alien fanwank (Celtic battle), I bet you'd deny that strongly too.
Like I said.
You have your faves, I have mine.
You don't think the Aliens could've torn Wolf to pieces?
No. I don't think one alien could lift two Predators in a convincing scene. Thats what I was saying.
Sweet Jesus, are you trying to sound funny? Coz I'm trying my hardest to not burst into sheer laughter here. Read the first AvP comic and then come back and tell me the Aliens were nothing but senseless fodder.
I do hope you read that in context. En mass versus lone alien I mean. What I am saying is that in a film with multiple Aliens and one sole Predator or person as a 'hero' - the Aliens are going to get massacred and shot up as fodder. They, as characters are not just fodder.
1. What's the difference? If he can swat the Aliens like insects, then they might as well be insects because they aren't fighting back.
2. If I choke you and cut off the oxygen to your head, you will do everything within your power to break the hold. That means kicking me, biting me, punching me, whatever. The Aliens did none of that.
3. I'll admit that AvP had more of an Alien bias, but Anderson did at least give the Predators some credit. The Brothers gave the Aliens none.
4. Indeed.
5. Lift two Predators? Are you referring to Grid knocking off Gill?
6. The Aliens may be massacred on mass for the sake of killing the 'bad guy', but that doesn't mean that if they go toe-to-toe with a Predator they should always lose. Even if there's only one Predator, he should sustain some injuries. Like in Predator, you know Dutch will survive because he's the hero, but he almost beaten to a pulp before finally killing the Predator.
The only thing I can say about the wolf holding two aliens by their throats in each hand is that it was trying to make it like the picture of Gilgamesh holding a lion in each hand by their throats. But thats no excuse for the Aliens not using their tails or claws to fight back.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2009, 03:30:10 AM
1. What's the difference? If he can swat the Aliens like insects, then they might as well be insects because they aren't fighting back.
'Like' insects, not 'are', exactly. Well, they do go for broke against the US Military and win. So, I surmise that even the Aliens are reluctant to mix it up with Predators - who knows? Maybe they smell the same genetic stuff in Wolf as in the Predalien and are confused?
Aliens have no issues or cowardice when it comes to humans.
Not being rude, but use some imagination. Sure, I acknowledge it was probably due to shortcomings by director or writer, even bias, but the fact that they attack humans without issue and then act withdrawan when fighting a predator gives me ideas like those above, I'm into creative writing and plot-hole theory, so I can't help it. ;D
2. If I choke you and cut off the oxygen to your head, you will do everything within your power to break the hold. That means kicking me, biting me, punching me, whatever. The Aliens did none of that.
And I can put you to sleep or render your muscles relaxed when I use pressure points learned in the martial arts.
3. I'll admit that AvP had more of an Alien bias, but Anderson did at least give the Predators some credit. The Brothers gave the Aliens none.
They did against the human characters and the Predalien did give Wolf a good wallop.
4. Indeed.
Yep.
5. Lift two Predators? Are you referring to Grid knocking off Gill?
Grid knocking off Gill was lifting one Predator, in a stationary position. Not likely an alien could, or should, pick up two Predators in each hand - save for the Predalien perhaps.
6. The Aliens may be massacred on mass for the sake of killing the 'bad guy', but that doesn't mean that if they go toe-to-toe with a Predator they should always lose. Even if there's only one Predator, he should sustain some injuries. Like in Predator, you know Dutch will survive because he's the hero, but he almost beaten to a pulp before finally killing the Predator.
I do admit Wolf needed a few more scrapes than just being knocked from a walkway in the plant. I'm wit you there.
1. Imagination can only go so far until things just become flat-out retarded and contradict what we've seen in previous movies.
2. Wolf used martial arts?
3. The humans are weak, period. And the Predalien had more Predator in it than anyone could ever have imagined, so there's your explanation.
5. Still not sure what point you're trying to make here, but I do agree. An Alien should not be able to lift up two Predators at once.
QuoteAnd I can put you to sleep or render your muscles relaxed when I use pressure points learned in the martial arts.
That's nice and all, but the Aliens still had fully functioning tails that they never bothered using.
They could've spat acid too. Far as I know, saliva is not cut off when applying force to a pressure point.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 13, 2009, 05:04:55 AM
They could've spat acid too. Far as I know, saliva is not cut off when applying force to a pressure point.
That's reaching a bit, but you used imagination!! :D
1. Depends on the individual and how much they want to invest. ;)
2. Why not? He uses a whip. Not the first parallel to humans. ???
3. Can't argue there, humans were the 'fodder' in this film. 8)
5. Thats the point. I was saying that that scene in particular would not work reversed. So, you hit the nail on the head. :)
Quote from: dachande89 on May 13, 2009, 03:33:33 AM
The only thing I can say about the wolf holding two aliens by their throats in each hand is that it was trying to make it like the picture of Gilgamesh holding a lion in each hand by their throats. But thats no excuse for the Aliens not using their tails or claws to fight back.
Rule of cool.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 13, 2009, 06:26:02 AM
2. Why not? He uses a whip. Not the first parallel to humans. ???
Your point? Knowing how to use a weapon doesn't make you a martial arts master. Martial arts is hand-to-hand combat, not using a weapon. Or at least something like a whip. If it is, Indy Jones is the freaking Chuck Norris of whips.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 14, 2009, 01:27:26 AM
Your point? Knowing how to use a weapon doesn't make you a martial arts master. Martial arts is hand-to-hand combat, not using a weapon. Or at least something like a whip. If it is, Indy Jones is the freaking Chuck Norris of whips.
No. No. No. For heaven's sake ??? : The Predators could have their own hand to hand martial arts, just as humans do. The whip was an example of similarities already apparent between Predators and humans.
They have whips, so why wouldn't there be other parallels to humans, like martial arts? :)
It's possible, but we haven't seen anything that suggests it. So I'm gonna go on a limb here and say they don't.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 14, 2009, 02:00:22 AM
It's possible, but we haven't seen anything that suggests it. So I'm gonna go on a limb here and say they don't.
If its at least possible, its credible as an explanation.
In my mind, its completely plausible that the Predators have developed a martial art and use it to exploit pressure points the same way humans do.
Its not an aspect the director's even contemplated, not at all, and I am drawing my own interpretations and conclusions, but I always look past what is presented on screen if I think there is merit for it and this discussion about the Aliens 'doing nothing' in Wolf's grasp sparked the pressure point idea.
The problem is the mystery pressure point isn't supported by anything, even the Alien's actions. Their tails are still moving plenty fine.
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2009, 04:03:21 AM
The problem is the mystery pressure point isn't supported by anything, even the Alien's actions. Their tails are still moving plenty fine.
Well, no it wouldn't be supported by anything would it? This is all conjecture.
I am responding with an idea to people complaining that the Aliens don't seem to fight back when he holds them, I just took the pressure point approach as I know in real life exploiting a person's pressure points can hamper their movement. Thats all I am basing this on.
I'm just taking it further than the directors' approach of, "its cool" and trying to legitimise a reason for it occuring within the movie narrative.
Personally, I couldn't care less as to why the Aliens don't struggle, but this idea we are discussing just makes it more interesting.
But then it's pointless coming up with a reason for why it is the way it is, if the reasoning doesn't make any more sense than a lack thereof.
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2009, 04:51:53 AM
But then it's pointless coming up with a reason for why it is the way it is, if the reasoning doesn't make any more sense than a lack thereof.
People complained that the Aliens didn't do much to fight Wolf, you included, so I surmised that it MAY be due to the Predator exploiting the pressure points I SUSPECT the Aliens to have, much like humans do in certain martial arts.
No, there is no evidence on either creature's part, past or present, that this is possible, neither is it something the filmmakers intended to show. Its my very own THEORY.
...or whatever gets you through the night. I'm done and bored with this.
QuoteNo, there is no evidence on either creature's part, past or present, that this is possible, neither is it something the filmmakers intended to show. Its my very own THEORY.
It has nothing to do with whether or not it was shown in the past. It's just the fact the scene itself doesn't support it, so even if it is just a theory, it's wrong.
That's the problem with the movie. It doesn't let you explain it, because there's always one stupid thing the filmmakers did to make the answer invalid.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 14, 2009, 05:10:12 AM
People complained that the Aliens didn't do much to fight Wolf, you included, so I surmised that it MAY be due to the Predator exploiting the pressure points I SUSPECT the Aliens to have, much like humans do in certain martial arts.
No, there is no evidence on either creature's part, past or present, that this is possible, neither is it something the filmmakers intended to show. Its my very own THEORY.
...or whatever gets you through the night. I'm done and bored with this.
It's not just that there is no evidence, it's also that the scene DIRECTLY contradicts what you're saying. If the Aliens are rendered helpless by pressure points, then their tails shouldn't be wriggling around
Easy fix. He didn't get EVERY pressure point.
*runs*
Quote from: SM on May 14, 2009, 05:44:02 AM
Easy fix. He didn't get EVERY pressure point.
*runs*
Exactly - the nerve clusters for the tails could be in a different area! Thats using your imagination! ;)
*runs and trips*
AvP: R.
The concept behind AvP was better ... but the follow-through is what's important. I didn't expect anything better from Paul Anderson. AvP: R had more action and more violence ... now, those don't make a good movie and in this case, it's definitely true. It didn't make it a good movie.
It certainly more entertaining than AvP, however. AvP had all the terrible acting and dialogue and story elements of AvP: R ... but with no gorey exploitation. Plus, AvP: R had a way, way better Predator.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on May 14, 2009, 05:10:12 AM
Quote from: SiL on May 14, 2009, 04:51:53 AM
But then it's pointless coming up with a reason for why it is the way it is, if the reasoning doesn't make any more sense than a lack thereof.
People complained that the Aliens didn't do much to fight Wolf, you included, so I surmised that it MAY be due to the Predator exploiting the pressure points I SUSPECT the Aliens to have, much like humans do in certain martial arts.
No, there is no evidence on either creature's part, past or present, that this is possible, neither is it something the filmmakers intended to show. Its my very own THEORY.
...or whatever gets you through the night. I'm done and bored with this.
...
wow. Just wow.
to be honest I love both the avp and avpr, but I enjoyed avp a little more, going down into the temple etc! Altough avpr was fantastic to I really enjoyed that! ;D
@ millzy
dude! you make 40 posts a day!? you already have double the posts i made, and you registered about a year later than me! you registered only a frew days ago! i got to start posting more!
*welcome btw* ;) ;D
i agree with you about enjoying both AVPs.
I like both AVPs, but I still don't think they hold up next to the original alien or predator. We need more than great battle clashes, we need characters that we actually like, and they evolve with the story.
Quote from: dachande89 on May 29, 2009, 09:07:54 PM
We need more than great battle clashes,
Neither AVP film even succeeded in this.
Hahahahha thanks requiem good to be here, yeh i know prob to much i know, im just enjoying being on here hahaha and commenting on people's views and opioions lol, its good to see a site like this up ;D! Yeh both avps are great i thought ;D
I did like being able to SEE the fights in AVP!
You know, rather than having to squint at them in 'Requiem'.
I feel like I'm the only person on this entire forum who didn't have a problem with AvP:R's darkness.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2009, 05:18:24 PM
I feel like I'm the only person on this entire forum who didn't have a problem with AvP:R's darkness.
How could you not have aproblem with it. You cant see anything and it's hard to tell who's doing what.
Well obviously I didn't experience that because I saw things fine.
I don't consider AVP anywhere near as good as Alien, Aliens, Alien3, Alien Resurrection, Predator and Predator 2 but it was a fun movie. AVPR was boring and unwatchable for the most part.
I thought all the action in AvPr made AvP worthless. plus with all the crap AvP had smeared all over it..
You like pathetic dark action sequences that are over before they begin? Ok, man, whatever that's your opinion.
I just consider AVP mindless fun. So sue me. Just don't take it too seriously.
At least AvP:R wasn't making a case for interspecies erotica. AvP:R didn't f**k up nearly as bad as that.
Interspecies erotica?
I think people take the team up way to seriously...
The Team-up is just cheesy, that's all. They should've made it that Lex simply follows him, and he doesn't care because she doesn't pose a threat.
Quote from: War Wager on May 31, 2009, 04:45:00 PM
Interspecies erotica?
I think people take the team up way to seriously...
Seeing as how they almost made out when Scar took his mask off, I'm not surprised.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 31, 2009, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: War Wager on May 31, 2009, 04:45:00 PM
Interspecies erotica?
I think people take the team up way to seriously...
Seeing as how they almost made out when Scar took his mask off, I'm not surprised.
I actually thought that Scar was going to eat her face. ;D
Lex could've eaten out Scar's face I guess, if you get my drift ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 31, 2009, 11:00:07 PM
Lex could've eaten out Scar's face I guess, if you get my drift ;)
Ugh... nasty! :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 30, 2009, 05:18:24 PM
I feel like I'm the only person on this entire forum who didn't have a problem with AvP:R's darkness.
I didn't think it was that dark to be honest, but then again; I watched it on bluray and on a 55" HDTV with of course HDMI. So no problems on my part seen perfectly fine to me as well.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 31, 2009, 03:34:38 PM
At least AvP:R wasn't making a case for interspecies erotica. AvP:R didn't f**k up nearly as bad as that.
Instead we got some bizarre preggo fetish and a graphic shoving of an alien's tongue down a woman's throat.
Scar's son... or daughter. Which ever.
Quote from: DoomsdayApocalypse on Jun 01, 2009, 12:46:33 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 31, 2009, 03:34:38 PM
At least AvP:R wasn't making a case for interspecies erotica. AvP:R didn't f**k up nearly as bad as that.
Instead we got some bizarre preggo fetish and a graphic shoving of an alien's tongue down a woman's throat.
That was the Alien reproducing naturally, so it doesn't count no matter how f**ked up and stupid it was.
Wait - how is AvPR so far ahead in this poll...*sigh*
I would think it's because people prefer it... ::)
AvPr was great after watching AvP.
Amen to that. AvP:R kept me awake.
Well, alright - lol. I just prefer AvP a lot more than AvP: R. I wanted AvP: R to be an improvement but in my mind it just took the franchise further away from what it is by turning it into a sub-par slasher flick.
True. But the Predators were a lot better in this one. I thought the Aliens were going to be better...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2009, 03:35:47 PM
Amen to that. AvP:R kept me awake.
It put me to sleep about half way through.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2009, 03:35:47 PM
Amen to that. AvP:R kept me awake.
Kinda went the other way around for me. :D
Both sucked balls!
Yeah, pretty much, but AVP kept me awake atleast.
Quote from: Predboy on Jun 04, 2009, 01:40:10 PM
Yeah, pretty much, but AVP kept me awake atleast.
AvP:R was so dark, i thought i was TRYING to go to sleep. It was like having my eyes closed, except darker.
AvP was so boring it got the point where I shouted at the screen (literally) "DO SOMETHING!!!".
Yeah I know. AvPr had better action, creatures looked more from their origins, although the Aliens were poorly portrayed. And of course the notorious darkness issue. even with that, I'd rather see that than AvP.
One is an over the top comic book onscreen (AVP) and the other one is a low budget slasher teen movie (AVPR)
Both cant be taken seriously, but both can be a mindless entertainment once in a while (althought admiteddly, i havent seen either in quite some time)
AvP was a shitty excuse for a Alien/Predator movie, but as a stand-alone sci-fi horror adventure flick it was pretty aight and had its moments even though they were few. Anderson might not be Mr. Kurosawa, Kislowski or a Bergman, but he does at least know the fundamentals of basic movie making. AvP:R is just pure dreck! Sure, it had some fun gore effects and Wolf was such brawny macho retard that the testosterone in my shriveled kiwis started pumping caveman juice right into my system - strike another pose Wolfie Boy, bully another Bubbamorph, yeah! But as a movie it was beyond suckage since it wasn't really a movie. They must have edited that thing with a rusty lawnmower and buckets of festering bacon grease, because it had nothing - nothing! It is as if the brothers had no clue what they were doing ::) ...The dialogue was badly written and badly delivered (and not in a cheesy kind of way - it was just bad-bad). The action lagged, was badly timed and since the lighting was non-.... Ah, crap you've heard it a billion times before. We all know that AvP:R sucks, no need to kick this mangled horse carcass any longer.
Quite a way with words. :)
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jun 05, 2009, 12:36:45 AM
AvP was a shitty excuse for a Alien/Predator movie, but as a stand-alone sci-fi horror adventure flick it was pretty aight and had its moments even though they were few. Anderson might not be Mr. Kurosawa, Kislowski or a Bergman, but he does at least know the fundamentals of basic movie making. AvP:R is just pure dreck! Sure, it had some fun gore effects and Wolf was such brawny macho retard that the testosterone in my shriveled kiwis started pumping caveman juice right into my system - strike another pose Wolfie Boy, bully another Bubbamorph, yeah! But as a movie it was beyond suckage since it wasn't really a movie. They must have edited that thing with a rusty lawnmower and buckets of festering bacon grease, because it had nothing - nothing! It is as if the brothers had no clue what they were doing ::) ...The dialogue was badly written and badly delivered (and not in a cheesy kind of way - it was just bad-bad). The action lagged, was badly timed and since the lighting was non-.... Ah, crap you've heard it a billion times before. We all know that AvP:R sucks, no need to kick this mangled horse carcass any longer.
AvP was the furthest thing possible from sci-fi horror. It didn't even have suspense, never mind horror.
Quote from: The Demon on Jun 04, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
AvPr had better action, creatures looked more from their origins, although the Aliens were poorly portrayed. And of course the notorious darkness issue. even with that, I'd rather see that than AvP.
AVPR consisted of about five 30 second Alien beatings. At least AVP had one real mano a mano fight.
Since I expected little to no story, I tried to enjoy Requiem for what it was a cheap vs movie. But the thing is throughout the movie I kept wondering where the actual versus was. In that regard I would rank AvP higher than AvPR but that isn't saying much.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Jun 05, 2009, 05:24:29 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Jun 04, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
AvPr had better action, creatures looked more from their origins, although the Aliens were poorly portrayed. And of course the notorious darkness issue. even with that, I'd rather see that than AvP.
AVPR consisted of about five 30 second Alien beatings. At least AVP had one real mano a mano fight.
Only one, and it was a wrestling match. Wasn't that much better.
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AvP was a shitty excuse for a Alien/Predator movie, but as a stand-alone sci-fi horror adventure flick it was pretty aight and had its moments even though they were few. Anderson might not be Mr. Kurosawa, Kislowski or a Bergman, but he does at least know the fundamentals of basic movie making. AvP:R is just pure dreck! Sure, it had some fun gore effects and Wolf was such brawny macho retard that the testosterone in my shriveled kiwis started pumping caveman juice right into my system - strike another pose Wolfie Boy, bully another Bubbamorph, yeah! But as a movie it was beyond suckage since it wasn't really a movie. They must have edited that thing with a rusty lawnmower and buckets of festering bacon grease, because it had nothing - nothing! It is as if the brothers had no clue what they were doing ::) ...The dialogue was badly written and badly delivered (and not in a cheesy kind of way - it was just bad-bad). The action lagged, was badly timed and since the lighting was non-.... Ah, crap you've heard it a billion times before. We all know that AvP:R sucks, no need to kick this mangled horse carcass any longer.
AvP was the furthest thing possible from sci-fi horror. It didn't even have suspense, never mind horror.
I'll agree AvP wasn't a horror film but it did a real good job creating atmosphere, even if it fell just short of suspense. That being said - AvP: R also lacked horror and certainly lacked suspense, much more so than AvP. The entire movie was rushed... a perfect example of where suspense could have been built-up is the National Guard sequence but as soon as their feet hit the ground they were picked off one-by-one.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 05, 2009, 03:47:26 AM
AvP was the furthest thing possible from sci-fi horror. It didn't even have suspense, never mind horror.
True that. Even so, I kind of found the somewhat claustrophobic temple scenes a little scary... but yeah, horror it is not.
It tried. It failed.
Which is more than can be said for AvP:R.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 05, 2009, 03:47:26 AM
AvP was the furthest thing possible from sci-fi horror. It didn't even have suspense, never mind horror.
True that. Even so, I kind of found the somewhat claustrophobic temple scenes a little scary... but yeah, horror it is not.
Again, more irritating than anything else. Dark hallways, sporadic camera movement, and more of just 'people running away'.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 05, 2009, 03:47:26 AM
AvP was the furthest thing possible from sci-fi horror. It didn't even have suspense, never mind horror.
True that. Even so, I kind of found the somewhat claustrophobic temple scenes a little scary... but yeah, horror it is not.
Again, more irritating than anything else. Dark hallways, sporadic camera movement, and more of just 'people running away'.
Well, compared to the original four Alien movies it did stand short, at least in comparison. But as a standalone sci-fi monster adventure movie, I do think it had its qualities. Even though Anderson really didn't utilize even 20% of the potential of the Rubik's Cube Pyramid/Temple idea and concept, I still found some of the scenes moderately claustrophobic and not annoying (even though the camera work was very inconsistent and sometimes even embarrassingly non sequitur and almost opportunistic, such as the bullet-time Facehugger shot). However, what I did found annoying though was the weak and unrealistic dialogue and the absence of human blood/gore (and I'm absolutely NOT one of those who think that blood/gore = great movie), which kind of killed the mood and atmosphere in AvP. And by the way - I LIKE it when people run away from Aliens and Predators, because that's how it's supposed to be!
But when the film is 90% of people running blindly in dark corridors, it gets freaking old very quickly. Boring too, as I said.
WIth this post, I am at 1000 POSTS! ;D Celebrate!
Or not..... Back on topic. AVP was a better film in all regards. AVP-R sucked bricks.
AVP-R is a film I can watch over and over (more action, ect.) However, as far as film quality goes, the first alien vs predator is probably better.(better acting, special effects, ect.)
So it just depends on how you look at it.
Uggg... I reckon I can only get one more viewing out of Requiem. And it'll probably be with the commentary turned on.
Avp
Being able to see what's going on>Not being able to see what's going on.
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AVP-R is a film I can watch over and over (more action, ect.) However, as far as film quality goes, the first alien vs predator is probably better.(better acting, special effects, ect.)
So it just depends on how you look at it.
Not really, because the first AvP is only marginally better at best. How I see it, is that both films have something the other lacked. AvP had better acting and a slightly better script. AvP:R actually had some colour to it and had the action.
Better atmosphere too.
Which did?
AVP I hope
AVP
I still think AvP UNRATED
f**king Kills AvP-R's horrible acting and non-stop gore that's even too dark to enjoy.
I will always choose AvP:R's action and setting over AvP's boring and stale people running around in dark corridors.
Exactly. Like when Scar does the slasher chase to Lex, Sebastian and Wayland. What was with that? Remember how creepy the original Predator was climbing around trees cloaked? And in this AvP we get a Predator that stalks his prey but walking after them.
avpr was waaaay to dark. avp is better
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jun 14, 2009, 10:31:13 PM
Uggg... I reckon I can only get one more viewing out of Requiem. And it'll probably be with the commentary turned on.
Trust me, you don't want to listen to that. It's awful.
I watched AvPR the other day for probably the final time, that brings the grand total of times I've seen it to 3. I really don't think I could sit through watching it again. :-X
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Uggg... I reckon I can only get one more viewing out of Requiem. And it'll probably be with the commentary turned on.
Trust me, you don't want to listen to that. It's awful.
Director's commentary, yes. The ADI track isn't too bad though.
Not at all. Especially listening to them mock the movie. :)
I don't get how AvPr is winning. I thought the majority here preferred AvP?
Could be we have an overwhelming case of groupthink here on the forums...
Quote from: The Demon on Jun 29, 2009, 06:50:38 AM
I don't get how AvPr is winning. I thought the majority here preferred AvP?
Mostly because there was a massive quantity of members who joined when the movie came out and aren't around anymore.
This gets me wondering, if you're a small child or teenager, would AvPR appeal more than AvP in general? AvPR did have a stripping girl, skinned bodies, a lot more fight scenes and bucketfuls of gore.
I thought AVP-R was worse, much worse. ;0
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jun 29, 2009, 10:12:41 AM
This gets me wondering, if you're a small child or teenager, would AvPR appeal more than AvP in general? AvPR did have a stripping girl, skinned bodies, a lot more fight scenes and bucketfuls of gore.
Stripping girl? She didn't get nude. I wouldn't say AvP:R had "bucketfuls" of gore either, considering it was bloody, but comparatively speaking, has less blood than most B-movies.
If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
I think that if the "Brothers Strause" (whatever they like to call themselves) had actually learned from the mistakes of Alien3, Alien Rez and AvP, and if they made more of an effort to make it "realistic" (i know the main characters are aliens), it would'vs been a much better movie. AvP is also full of mistakes, but far less of them, so thats why I think AvP is better.
P.S Requiem was a cool word... once.
In an AvP movie, neither creature is the main character. The idea is to balance out screen time between both of them.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 01, 2009, 06:19:45 AM
In an AvP movie, neither creature is the main character. The idea is to balance out screen time between both of them.
Exactly
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If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
yeah OK then there would be more predators befriending humans! Lol!
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Quote from: The Demon on Jun 29, 2009, 03:59:07 PM
If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
yeah OK then there would be more predators befriending humans! Lol!
What Predators?
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Jun 29, 2009, 10:12:41 AM
This gets me wondering, if you're a small child or teenager, would AvPR appeal more than AvP in general? AvPR did have a stripping girl, skinned bodies, a lot more fight scenes and bucketfuls of gore.
Well yeah "stripping girl" that some's it up. ;D
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If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
yeah OK then there would be more predators befriending humans! Lol!
What Predators?
Maybe a woman would come across a dead one in the woods and give it the kiss of life, I don't know. You know, in the aftermath of the crashed ship.
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Quote from: The Demon on Jun 29, 2009, 03:59:07 PM
If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
yeah OK then there would be more predators befriending humans! Lol!
What Predators?
Lol! just pointing out in avp the predator did befriend a human which i think was wrong!
Yeah, at least in the original comic there was better reasoning for the befriending. In the movie it was just sort of like 'well, okay i guess we can hunt together but if anyone asks I dont know you'.
Quote from: Undeadite on Jul 04, 2009, 08:51:21 PM
Yeah, at least in the original comic there was better reasoning for the befriending. In the movie it was just sort of like 'well, okay i guess we can hunt together but if anyone asks I dont know you'.
only read very little of the comics! did pick up the new comic that came out! Lol! it was a dumb thing to do that in the movie! the predators on the ship did see that he did! their ship was cloaked on the ground at the end!
Quote from: drake@ on Jul 03, 2009, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Jun 29, 2009, 03:59:07 PM
If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
yeah OK then there would be more predators befriending humans! Lol!
I think that would be up to the writers, not the directors "LOL!"
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 04, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
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Quote from: The Demon on Jun 29, 2009, 03:59:07 PM
If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
yeah OK then there would be more predators befriending humans! Lol!
I think that would be up to the writers, not the directors "LOL!"
its still stupid how they made the predator do that!
Quotejust pointing out in avp the predator
I didn't see any Predators in AvP.
Try opening your eyes. They were there alright. Sure, they were overgrown monstrosities with one at least having a thing for human females, but they were Predators.
QuoteSure, they were overgrown monstrosities with one at least having a thing for human females
And therefore, they werent Predators but cheap knock offs. They didn't sounded the same, they didn't act the same, they didn't looked the same, they didn't even saw in the right spectrum, i could go on and on.
Everything was wrong.
f**k AvP.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 05, 2009, 05:09:41 PM
Try opening your eyes. They were there alright. Sure, they were overgrown monstrosities with one at least having a thing for human females, but they were Predators.
He didn't have a thing for human females as you put, he only teamed up with her against the Aliens. Which is excatly what happened in the original AVP comic.
Story was cool - movie just needed to be 90x more gorey. Then I would of loved it. But it was 'meh'.
Quote from: MIDGET on Jul 05, 2009, 06:02:23 PM
Story was cool - movie just needed to be 90x more gorey. Then I would of loved it. But it was 'meh'.
Yeah, the chestburster with no blood was like a big slap to the face.
There should have been more fight scene's gill getting killed straight off was a major waste of potential.
THe whole movie suffers from lost potential.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 05, 2009, 05:09:41 PM
Try opening your eyes. They were there alright. Sure, they were overgrown monstrosities with one at least having a thing for human females, but they were Predators.
He didn't have a thing for human females as you put, he only teamed up with her against the Aliens. Which is excatly what happened in the original AVP comic.
Jesus Christ, I'm wondering how many people actually read the original AvP comic...
Listen. to. me.
THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE DIFFERENT. In the comic, Broken Tusk teamed up with Machicko because
she saved his life. In his eyes, that made her an honourable person. So he teamed with her because he was returning the favour. As she saved his life, he would do the same.
Not the case with AvP.
In AvP it was quite literally "Hm, a dead Alien...maybe I can use her. Sure, she's slower, smaller, and probably extremely weak, but hey, I'll give her some makeshift weapons and see where this goes."
Not the same story as the comic. It would've made more sense for Scar to let her go off somewhere, then have circumstances, namely the Queen, dictate that they combine forces to fight her off.
AvP
+ Original, interesting setting, similiar to the planetoid in "Alien"
+ Good acting, pretty main actress
+ Great designed aliens, I love their smooth heads and hissing
+ Marvelous visual effects, unrecognizable CGI
- Fat looking predators (I know... 'cause of their armor)
- Slo-Mo
- Ian was just learning
- No mystery (god I hate the scene about the history, how Preds came here and sh*t, spoiled the mystery)
AvP: R
+ Great looking Wolf, his mask was perfect
+ Ian did a great job, I'm sure his middle name is Predator
+ ehm...
- Bad acting, terrible...
- Well, unmasked Wolf looked a little bit silly, no more Winstons' predator (RIP)
- CGI made cloaked preds and aliens, terrible... where is Giger?!?
- Aliens looked and acted terrible
- Main problem: mixing the alien - pred fights with the character development, well and that's the problem.
Everybody is interested more in the fights between the creatures, rather than watching a pizzaboy arguing with his brother. There should be less of these fights, and to be saved something for the end.
"Kickass ending"
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AvP
+ Good acting, pretty main actress
The acting was barely any more acceptable than AvP:R's. The only difference was that at least we knew each character's name.
Quote from: HitmanR on Jul 06, 2009, 10:46:52 PM+ Marvelous visual effects, unrecognizable CGI
How could anyone mistake the Aliens running to the Queen in the chamber as anything other than CGI?? It was practically painted on their bodies. As well as the Queen running after Lex in the snow.
Quote from: drake@ on Jul 04, 2009, 10:57:01 PM
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 04, 2009, 10:25:45 PM
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Quote from: The Demon on Jun 29, 2009, 03:59:07 PM
If AvPr had the directing of AvP, it would be so much better.
yeah OK then there would be more predators befriending humans! Lol!
I think that would be up to the writers, not the directors "LOL!"
its still stupid how they made the predator do that!
Great. So do a lot of people.
I hated AVP because it messes with the story/characters from the Alien and Predator movies. But if it would be a standalone movie (like if the original Alien and Predator movies didn't excist) I wouldn't hate it. It would've been an enjoyable movie with nice action scenes.
AVPR on the other hand, didn't just mess with the original movies. It also tried to hard with references to those movies. They said they would return to the roots but instead stole scenes from the original movies (camera pans over the forest to the town, Pred 2 anyone?). Massive plotholes, lame boring cliche actors, WAY too dark!
Quote from: RavagerDX on Jul 18, 2009, 02:20:02 PM
I hated AVP because it messes with the story/characters from the Alien and Predator movies. But if it would be a standalone movie (like if the original Alien and Predator movies didn't excist) I wouldn't hate it. It would've been an enjoyable movie with nice action scenes.
Nice action scenes...ya, all four of them. Short, quick camera movements resulting in a blurry image, with the remainder filled up with people running down dark corridors.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 18, 2009, 03:08:52 PM
Nice action scenes...ya, all four of them. Short, quick camera movements resulting in a blurry image, with the remainder filled up with people running down dark corridors.
It's been a long time, I can't remember. :P
QuoteNice action scenes...ya, all four of them.
Four? Did I miss two?
Haha, well in seriousness, here's what I counted:
1) Celtic vs. Grid
2) Queen vs. Scar and Lex
3) Celtic attacking bearded man in whaling station
4) Scar spearing one merc then jumping across the corridor
What about...
Scar, Scar's spear, & Lex versus the Alien
Scar's Cannon versus Aliens
Scar, Lex & rail gun versus Alien
Don't ask why I still remember the details of this movie.
Rail gun? What rail gun?
Good call on the caster scene though, forgot about that one.
When Lex blows that Alien's head off before her and Scar go on that romantic sled ride.
I don't know if its a rail gun. Just an assumption.
Piton gun. It shoots bolts into the ice to attach hooks for climbing.
Ah.
Still a pathetic scene. Scar... ::)
Quote3) Celtic attacking bearded man in whaling station
4) Scar spearing one merc then jumping across the corridor
I think the keywords are "action scene". Scenes are usually made up of more than one shot and last more than a coupe of seconds. Dunno if these two qualify.
:D
I have to be generous here. COME ON!
Why?
I thought you hated AvP?
;D
Oh I see what you're doing here...
I'm just a generous person by nature. BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN GET THE BEST OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For some reason, AVP 1 is today's featured article on Wikipedia.
Brownie points to it, then.
I think the Wiki webmaster was running out of good material to use.
Yeah, that certainly is strange. If it were the featured article in a few weeks, say Aug 13th, it would make more sense since that will be 5 years since it's release here in the U.S. Damn, i remember going to the midnight showing with some friends; the theater had a good crowd although it wasn't packed. A grandma was there with a few grandchildren which we questioned, a middle aged white man was sitting a few seats over that was a little too obsessed with Predator = he was the only 1 shouting 'go Predator!!' @ any point during the previews/actual film. The film itself... well, @ the time i didn't hate it @ all + actually thought it was a fun time. I still don't hate it as much as most others seem to but w/e - lol. I got back home + posted on this forum about it + how all the previously reported issues with the film (all of which amounted to knit-picking) weren't that big a deal. Then a day or so later the forum/site was gone. Yeah... that's about all - lol
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jul 26, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
Then a day or so later the forum/site was gone.
I heard about that. Why did the site go offline?
I believe it was b/c Darkness hated the movie enough to can the entire thing. Twas a shame but i rediscovered this place several years afterwards when it was up + running in anticipation of AVP:R.
I don't blame him, I had to watch a bootleg and I thought it was terrible. Now I have changed my opinion on it.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jul 27, 2009, 03:53:23 AM
I believe it was b/c Darkness hated the movie enough to can the entire thing. Twas a shame but i rediscovered this place several years afterwards when it was up + running in anticipation of AVP:R.
Yup. He didn't see the use in keeping the site going since it was a letdown, but I think that's a bit odd since the AvP universe isn't just about the one movie. There's more to discuss and thankfully and he brought the site back and is keeping it alive.
Especially since AvPR was another let down, but thankfully, he didn't close the site because of that.
I see. How interesting...
As rubbish as AVP was, it was a mindless, but harmless little spin-off, and didn't really damage either franchise. AVP:R, on the other hand was utterly horrendous. It was like an episode of Hollyoaks with aliens and predators - both of which were reduced to generic hollywood monsters for teenagers to cheer and clap at (even more so than in the first film).
Quote from: Zyklon on Aug 01, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
As rubbish as AVP was, it was a mindless, but harmless little spin-off, and didn't really damage either franchise. AVP:R, on the other hand was utterly horrendous. It was like an episode of Hollyoaks with aliens and predators - both of which were reduced to generic hollywood monsters for teenagers to cheer and clap at (even more so than in the first film).
But it has it's moments...
...I think that Wolf
looks awesome.
It's so cool when Chet head bites the doctor in the hospital and his nose disappears.
But the story, characters and acting could have been better.
AVP is best one of the AVP series, hand down.
-Rubs eyes-
Is... Is AvP R in the lead!?
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 14, 2009, 06:51:13 PM
-Rubs eyes-
Is... Is AvP R in the lead!?
I was shocked when i first realized that as well...
I wasn't, considering AvP:R is more entertaining to watch.
lol - right...
Personally i feel we should start a new poll + see if the results are the same. This poll opened the day of AvP:R's release so it makes sense that it holds a firm lead as anyone coming off an immediate high of seeing it would vote it better than AvP. It's very possible their opinion could have diminished since then. Of course, the opposite could have occurred as well. Either way - someone should start this pole from scratch.
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Aug 15, 2009, 07:04:40 AM
This poll opened the day of AvP:R's release so it makes sense that it holds a firm lead as anyone coming off an immediate high of seeing it would vote it better than AvP.
I was literally just about to ask wtf was going on with AvP:R being in the lead :D
Quote from: Vulhala on Aug 15, 2009, 08:39:22 AM
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Aug 15, 2009, 07:04:40 AM
This poll opened the day of AvP:R's release so it makes sense that it holds a firm lead as anyone coming off an immediate high of seeing it would vote it better than AvP.
I was literally just about to ask wtf was going on with AvP:R being in the lead :D
I think it's the Predator fans that put AvP-R in the lead, fans like me :)
You see...in AVP we didn't get any Predators...we didn't get our fanatic hunters from the past, we didn't get "El Diablo cazador de hombres".
We got a race of aliens, who once conquered earth made the humans their slaves and where whorshipped as gods. These gods learned humans how to build stuff and in return humans build these large playgrounds, called pyramids, where the gods could leave their baby gods to play with their pets, The Gods also had the humans sacrefise themselfs to be able to breed these pets and the humans saw this to be a great honor!
In AvP-R we get introduced to a much better looking Predator, he sees the alarm of a ship crashing towards earth and he grabs some gear and goes to investigate, he finds the ship but on crash-site he also finds out what caused the crash, On the homeplanet he didn't know that the ship was carrying alien eggs and that a Pred-Alien was onboard, he also sees that some face huggers have survived the crash and left the ship so he begins to track them, the hunt is on!
But this ain't a thropy hunt, he ain't allowed to take any thropys, the alien eggs on that ship didn't belong to him, The prey created from them ain't his to take, they belong to another clan, he can't hunt their prey, take their trophies, but he can't have the Aliens running free on earth, killing their prey.
It's pest controll. It's cureing a cancer spreading on earth among their prey.
So he hunts it, stalk it, kill it...
...And the deputy who fell victim to him knows this story all to well;
"Anna; When I was little, we found a man. He looked like - like, butchered. The old woman in the village crossed themselves... and whispered crazy things, strange things. "El Diablo cazador de hombres." Only in the hottest years this happens. And this year, it grows hot. We begin finding our men. We found them sometimes without their skins... and sometimes much, much worse. "El cazador trofeo de los hombres" means the demon who makes trophies of men."
AVP features the shittiest take on the Predators ever, can't even call them Predators, they have as much in common with the oldschool Predators as Newborn have with the xenomorph called "Kanes son".
AvP-R ain't a good movie, they did the same thing to the Aliens in that movie as AVP did to the Predators and I don't like it.
The Predator got raped in AvP and then I go and have the Alien raped in AVP-R just to prove how wrong it was, I think it's f**king stupid.
Two wrongs doesn't make it right.
Now make an AvP-3 where the humans are the ones getting owned cause that's what these creatures are supposed to do.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
Now make an AvP-3 where the humans are the ones getting owned cause that's what these creatures are supposed to do.
That is how it is in my fan-fic: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=25308.msg528462#new
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 15, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
Now make an AvP-3 where the humans are the ones getting owned cause that's what these creatures are supposed to do.
That is how it is in my fan-fic: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=25308.msg528462#new
It was a good read, I liked it alot.
There are some things that I would tweak alittle,
Maybe a different setting, a desert setting with canyons, some jungle, a small town, in africa maybe.
People there might work with oil, diamonds, cutting forrest,
It's a warm place, uneasy living, it has troubles, the locals don't like the companys takeing shit over, getting rich on their natural resourses. Some just protest, some protest with arms.
Let Hank get into an argument that starts a fight, Hank wins the fight and that makes him "prey" in the eyes of the Predators that was watching them.
A Predator chooses his big game by their "fighting" skills, he wouldn't go after a dude with an axe until he sees him become aggressive. You would qulify as "prey" if you punch a dude in the face while a Predator is watching.
Why I would change it? It's because it would be a new setting, a setting that haven't been featured in any of the movies, it would be somewhat original.
And the second change would be done to make the Predator act like more like the Predators in Predator 1-2,
The Predator watched potential targets and selected those who could and would fight.
Anytime watched Dutch and Co attack the camp, Pussyface watched the Colombians fight the police, and selected "prey" to hunt dureing those situations, combat situations.
Hope, you didn't get offended but I rather give you honest feedback.
Maybe it will help, the story is really good so far, can't wait to see what happens next.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 01:35:25 PM
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 15, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
Now make an AvP-3 where the humans are the ones getting owned cause that's what these creatures are supposed to do.
That is how it is in my fan-fic: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=25308.msg528462#new
It was a good read, I liked it alot.
There are some things that I would tweak alittle,
Maybe a different setting, a desert setting with canyons, some jungle, a small town, in africa maybe.
People there might work with oil, diamonds, cutting forrest,
It's a warm place, uneasy living, it has troubles, the locals don't like the companys takeing shit over, getting rich on their natural resourses. Some just protest, some protest with arms.
Let Hank get into an argument that starts a fight, Hank wins the fight and that makes him "prey" in the eyes of the Predators that was watching them.
A Predator chooses his big game by their "fighting" skills, he wouldn't go after a dude with an axe until he sees him become aggressive. You would qulify as "prey" if you punch a dude in the face while a Predator is watching.
Why I would change it? It's because it would be a new setting, a setting that haven't been featured in any of the movies, it would be somewhat original.
And the second change would be done to make the Predator act like more like the Predators in Predator 1-2,
The Predator watched potential targets and selected those who could and would fight.
Anytime watched Dutch and Co attack the camp, Pussyface watched the Colombians fight the police, and selected "prey" to hunt dureing those situations, combat situations.
Hope, you didn't get offended but I rather give you honest feedback.
Maybe it will help, the story is really good so far, can't wait to see what happens next.
It is a little too far in to change the setting. Now I regret putting it in Alaska. >.< Oh who knows, maybe I could put an epic fight between an Alien and a Pred on a glacier or something. I can change it to make it to where Hank and Ambrose get in a small fight or something though, indeed.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
I think it's the Predator fans that put AvP-R in the lead, fans like me :)
Just as a question, if AvPR portrayed the Predators in the same way as AvP, which movie would you prefer?
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Aug 16, 2009, 07:10:47 AM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
I think it's the Predator fans that put AvP-R in the lead, fans like me :)
Just as a question, if AvPR portrayed the Predators in the same way as AvP, which movie would you prefer?
Well, then it would be AVP.
Because the Aliens in it where good, they were creepy, they where, how should I put it...capable.
AvP featured ugly, out of character, stupid Predators but it had good aliens,
AvP-R had a slightly better Predator but far from good. But it also had ugly, out of character and stupid aliens.
If AvPR portrayed the Predators in the same way as AvP we would have a movie with Aliens and Predators that were equally, ugly, out of character and stupid.
I'm more a Predator fan than an Alien fan.
But it doesn't mean that I want to have my favorite creature kill weak aliens.
Cause they should be the most dangerous prey out there, if you view the Predator as a Yautja.
And I think it fit's the Alien as a creature, something that is called "the perfect organism" should be the perfect prey in the eyes of a Predator, they value they prey after the risk in hunting it, the higher the risk is of the hunter getting killed, the higher value the trophy has.
Something called the "ultimate prey" is a prey that most likely will kill the hunter hunting it.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 16, 2009, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Aug 16, 2009, 07:10:47 AM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
I think it's the Predator fans that put AvP-R in the lead, fans like me :)
Just as a question, if AvPR portrayed the Predators in the same way as AvP, which movie would you prefer?
Well, then it would be AVP.
Because the Aliens in it where good, they were creepy, they where, how should I put it...capable.
AvP featured ugly, out of character, stupid Predators but it had good aliens,
AvP-R had a slightly better Predator but far from good. But it also had ugly, out of character and stupid aliens.
If AvPR portrayed the Predators in the same way as AvP we would have a movie with Aliens and Predators that were equally, ugly, out of character and stupid.
I'm more a Predator fan than an Alien fan.
But it doesn't mean that I want to have my favorite creature kill weak aliens.
Cause they should be the most dangerous prey out there, if you view the Predator as a Yautja.
And I think it fit's the Alien as a creature, something that is called "the perfect organism" should be the perfect prey in the eyes of a Predator, they value they prey after the risk in hunting it, the higher the risk is of the hunter getting killed, the higher value the trophy has.
Something called the "ultimate prey" is a prey that most likely will kill the hunter hunting it.
Could not agree more.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Aug 16, 2009, 07:10:47 AM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 15, 2009, 12:13:16 PM
I think it's the Predator fans that put AvP-R in the lead, fans like me :)
Just as a question, if AvPR portrayed the Predators in the same way as AvP, which movie would you prefer?
You could say the same thing in reverse. If AvP:R portrayed the Aliens the same way as AvP, which movie would you prefer? I'd still choose AvP:R.
AVPR is a good standalone movie. It would be great if it weren't for damn Chet. It is completely illogical and NON CANON for the alien to take hair traits from its parent host (not to mention the damn reproduction procedures, they were actually planning on Chet stab his victims with his tail and for them to explode and produce a new f**king predalien, how pathetic.)
Ya, I'll give you that. The hair was a stupid move. But that's what happens when he film's makers don't give the audience any credit and believe the mandibles won't convince people enough the Alien came from a Predator.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2009, 05:27:51 PM
Ya, I'll give you that. The hair was a stupid move. But that's what happens when he film's makers don't give the audience any credit and believe the mandibles won't convince people enough the Alien came from a Predator.
For me they wouldn't have even had to give it mandibles, being larger and having a different texture would have been fine, because it's not like dragon in Alien 3 had friggen horns, gawd the unique exuberant thriller that was once the aliens series is no more.
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 16, 2009, 05:31:31 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2009, 05:27:51 PM
Ya, I'll give you that. The hair was a stupid move. But that's what happens when he film's makers don't give the audience any credit and believe the mandibles won't convince people enough the Alien came from a Predator.
For me they wouldn't have even had to give it mandibles, being larger and having a different texture would have been fine, because it's not like dragon in Alien 3 had friggen horns, gawd the unique exuberant thriller that was once the aliens series is no more.
Well, I belive that why the dragon is has a different look compared to the Aliens that came from the humans is because it spent time within a dead host, I think that the Alien would "suffer" if the host dies while the embryo is in it, like that it has to quit working before the job is done, I see the Alien called Kanes son as 99% alien 1% human,
but the dragon may be 92% Alien 8% ox.
However, It may just be that a Alien looks different if it comes from an ox/dog, human or Predator, but I don't like that idea, I rather have all Aliens look the same with some smaller differences but if their host die before they "bust" out then the differences should be larger.
No, the Runner looked different because it lacked dorsal spines, and it walked on all fours mostly. People could look right at it and say: this thing came out of a four-legged creature. The Predalien, same thing. Give it a trait that is disntinctly Predator-ian, like mandibles, and people will know where it came from. The Runner didn't have fur or whiskers; why would a Predalien have mandibles?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 17, 2009, 04:07:00 AM
No, the Runner looked different because it lacked dorsal spines, and it walked on all fours mostly. People could look right at it and say: this thing came out of a four-legged creature. The Predalien, same thing. Give it a trait that is disntinctly Predator-ian, like mandibles, and people will know where it came from. The Runner didn't have fur or whiskers; why would a Predalien have mandibles?
Mutation?
Still haven't seen AVPR, so I won't vote, but as an Alien fan I would probably like AVP better. AVP didn't really respect the Predators, and from what I heard AVPR didn't respect the Aliens. I think I saw a clip on youtube of an Alien getting killed with a pistol??? I say they get someone with respect for BOTH creatures to reboot the series. And i really, REALLY like AVP, but the Predators just weren't treated the way they should have been, and I'm more of an Alien fan.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 17, 2009, 04:07:00 AM
No, the Runner looked different because it lacked dorsal spines, and it walked on all fours mostly. People could look right at it and say: this thing came out of a four-legged creature. The Predalien, same thing. Give it a trait that is disntinctly Predator-ian, like mandibles, and people will know where it came from. The Runner didn't have fur or whiskers; why would a Predalien have mandibles?
Nor did it have horns like its parent host (why is everyone ignored this?), since it did not, the PredAlien should also not have mandibles. AvPR was good, the main problems were Chet's appearance/reproduction bs, and how pathetically weak the aliens were, other than that it was fine, but AvP had the superior storyline and special effects.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 17, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 17, 2009, 04:07:00 AM
No, the Runner looked different because it lacked dorsal spines, and it walked on all fours mostly. People could look right at it and say: this thing came out of a four-legged creature. The Predalien, same thing. Give it a trait that is disntinctly Predator-ian, like mandibles, and people will know where it came from. The Runner didn't have fur or whiskers; why would a Predalien have mandibles?
Mutation?
From what?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 18, 2009, 01:19:31 AM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 17, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 17, 2009, 04:07:00 AM
No, the Runner looked different because it lacked dorsal spines, and it walked on all fours mostly. People could look right at it and say: this thing came out of a four-legged creature. The Predalien, same thing. Give it a trait that is disntinctly Predator-ian, like mandibles, and people will know where it came from. The Runner didn't have fur or whiskers; why would a Predalien have mandibles?
Mutation?
The only legit reason I see for it to have either mandibles OR hair is if they manually inserted Predator DNA into a growing Alien fetus inside of a Pred host, only then would it make sense, other than that, Chet is completely illogical and NCF.
From what?
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 18, 2009, 02:12:40 AM
The only legit reason I see for it to have either mandibles OR hair is if they manually inserted Predator DNA into a growing Alien fetus inside of a Pred host, only then would it make sense, other than that, Chet is completely illogical and NCF.
Which they didn't, because Scar was infected like anyone else.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 19, 2009, 01:39:46 AM
Quote from: Pred Killer on Aug 18, 2009, 02:12:40 AM
The only legit reason I see for it to have either mandibles OR hair is if they manually inserted Predator DNA into a growing Alien fetus inside of a Pred host, only then would it make sense, other than that, Chet is completely illogical and NCF.
Which they didn't, because Scar was infected like anyone else.
I didn't say he wasn't. =\
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 18, 2009, 01:19:31 AM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 17, 2009, 05:04:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 17, 2009, 04:07:00 AM
No, the Runner looked different because it lacked dorsal spines, and it walked on all fours mostly. People could look right at it and say: this thing came out of a four-legged creature. The Predalien, same thing. Give it a trait that is disntinctly Predator-ian, like mandibles, and people will know where it came from. The Runner didn't have fur or whiskers; why would a Predalien have mandibles?
Mutation?
From what?
From any of the creatures...
I don't know if it's official but I read that the aliens in AVP were tampered with,
It had to do with with the short time for the embryo to become a chest buster, I think that someone heard Andersson say it, however, I'm not sure.
But if the Alien have been tampered with, then I wouldn't find it illogical if it had some side effects.
However, it doesn't really matter.
Mutations can happen without any gene or DNA manipulation, I got a friend who's son is born with one black and blue eye, that is called a mutation.
Mutations is also the thing that makes it possible for species to evolve.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 21, 2009, 12:42:53 AM
From any of the creatures...
What creatures? There was nothing to mutate the Alien's DNA with.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 21, 2009, 12:42:53 AMI don't know if it's official but I read that the aliens in AVP were tampered with,
It had to do with with the short time for the embryo to become a chest buster, I think that someone heard Andersson say it, however, I'm not sure.
Anderson said it? Not sure I'd believe it considering he claimed the Predators in the first two Pred movies were teens, on learning sprees.
I remember Anderson said it was okay to have fast gestating Aliens in his film because they had them in Alien Resurrection. Which is incorrect. There was an intention to make the ones in Resurrection fast gestating - but this never made it into the final film.
I think an interview where Anderson was supposed to have said that the Queen was being pumped up with Predaroids, which sped up gestation, was in fact, a fake.
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2009, 06:33:34 AM
I think an interview where Anderson was supposed to have said that the Queen was being pumped up with Predaroids, which sped up gestation, was in fact, a fake.
I have heard that as well...but that was never an official explanation, so as canon rules go, it doesn't hold any water.
In the novelization it mentions it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 21, 2009, 05:53:57 AM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 21, 2009, 12:42:53 AM
From any of the creatures...
What creatures? There was nothing to mutate the Alien's DNA with.
Eh?...
I don't really understand that reply.
I don't know that much about the Alien as a speices, but when an embryo is put into a dog/ox the aliens looks different compared with an embryo put in a human host.
I think that It's the hosts play a part on how the Alien looks.
Chet came from a Predator, so a Pred-Alien might have a bigger head and larger body compared to an Alien that came from a human, a mutation might have given Chet more Predator features.
If we get one more Pred-Alien in a movie then we'll know if Chet was different or not.
What's not to understand? You said, the mutation was caused by another creature's DNA. I'm saying, that's not possible because there's nothing inherently special about the Predator that would differentiate the burster gestating inside of it, versus say, the Dog from Alien 3.
i couldnt even see what was going on in avpr also they for some reason changed the name to avp2 on dvd release which was weird so avp 1 4 me
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 22, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
What's not to understand? You said, the mutation was caused by another creature's DNA. I'm saying, that's not possible because there's nothing inherently special about the Predator that would differentiate the burster gestating inside of it, versus say, the Dog from Alien 3.
But the creature doesn't need to be special for a mutation to happen.
Sometimes it just happens, Chet might be a freak of nature.
The thing is we need to see the alien come from the same host twice to know how it suppose to look like.
I personally don't see anything wrong with a Pred-Alien having mandibles and dreads, okay, I can live without the dreads but I think that it, the Pred-Alien, looked cool in the past when we saw some different versions of it, however I think that Chet has to much "Predator" in him and very little "Alien".
Didn't the brothers say that the Predator had stronger DNA and that Chet reproduces in the same way as Predators...
I honestly enjoyed AvP more than AvP:R. AvP:R had a lot of potential but it all fell short. The lighting was absurdly dark, there were some things that were unnecessary, like the skinned man in the woods. Some of the sound effects were weak. Almost all of the CGI was done terribly. The acting was atrocious. The whole plot was just somehow odd. It wasn't paced very well and almost seemed a little random at times. The fight scenes were too short and felt a little useless. And speaking of useless, every character in the movie felt totally useless to me. Every single person could have died and not affected me at all. There was no connection at all. The only character in the movie that I enjoyed was Dallas, and that was mostly for a few funny lines.
Now for AvP. The lighting was actually good, the whole pyramid thing played with the idea of ancient astronauts so I kinda liked that. On that note the pyramid itself made little sense. It had a huge generator that mankind just decided to not try and replicate, plasmacasters locked away for really no explainable reason other than to create a plot device. And something else odd. Ok the Predators came there every 100 years to hunt and whatnot. Well they needed sacrifices. There have not been any natural inhabitants of Antarctica for a very, very long time. If ever. So whether or not the pyramid starts up is pointless since there's no one there except for during this movie. Also since the Predators detonated their bomb the pyramid really shouldn't even be there. So pyramid hole aside, lets continue. The CGI in this movie was pretty decent. Not the best but not bad. The predator face design was very bad. The rest of their design was pretty good. The aliens looked pretty good. The Queen looked amazing albeit a little large. The acting wasn't that bad. It wasn't the best but it wasn't awful. I personally didn't mind the Scar/Lex teamup. Predators are a logical race, and logic in that situation says you'll need all the help you can get. And if you have help you might as well have them capable of surviving an alien attack so he made a shield and spear for her.
So all in all I have to side with AvP.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 23, 2009, 03:05:26 PMChet might be a freak of nature.
No argument there.
Quote from: Milan on Aug 23, 2009, 03:05:26 PMhowever I think that Chet has to much "Predator" in him and very little "Alien".
Didn't the brothers say that the Predator had stronger DNA and that Chet reproduces in the same way as Predators...
Davis did. In the commentary, he says the Predalien is 1/3 Alien and 2/3 Predator, while the Brothers argue it's the other way around.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 23, 2009, 10:40:19 PM
Quote from: Milan on Aug 23, 2009, 03:05:26 PM
however I think that Chet has to much "Predator" in him and very little "Alien".
Didn't the brothers say that the Predator had stronger DNA and that Chet reproduces in the same way as Predators...
Davis did. In the commentary, he says the Predalien is 1/3 Alien and 2/3 Predator, while the Brothers argue it's the other way around.
Yeah, I knew that I heard something about it from someone involved in the picture.
Still, It doesn't sound right does it?
Funny, how Davis and the B.S doesn't stick to the same facts.
Maybe it's something they did as a fail safe, only this time both failed.
If the third movie (That is, if there is a third movie) doesn't unite the two story lines by adding Ms/Mrs Yutani, what's left of the Weyland Corporation, the underwater frozen Queen, The Predator Gun, The Girl who was left to freeze to death, and the survivors from a nuclear warhead then... well... I don't think there will be a future to the franchise.
But... In any case I found the first movie to have a flow to it, granted it was mostly rushed and of some poor quality dialog and some other faults but it had something to it. AVP:R had fighting... Gore... Death... forgive me for being an old soul but I found an actually story, even if it's rushed and half crocked is better than something that doesn't have one.
I think AvP:R's story was better in principle in some ways than AvP's because it focused on the Predator and the Aliens, which is what it should do. It's Aliens vs. Predator after all, not AvPvH.
So, you liked it more because it had less people 'mushy' parts? I point to one particular scene that I remember even now. It was a pizza guy going to a girl's house after some cheesy lines was jumped with even more cheesier lines and then comes home to have his brother take a bat with him and go find stuff in the sewer and then to emerge only to find themselves needing to run for dear life. Trust me, there was no Alien storyline. We had the wolf butchering aliens as fast as he could while trying to defeat the predalien. I don't even recognize that predalien.But!
Opinions are opinions. To each his own. ;)
QuoteI think AvP:R's story was better in principle in some ways than AvP's because it focused on the Predator and the Aliens, which is what it should do. It's Aliens vs. Predator after all, not AvPvH.
To be fair, the first half and both Alien and Aliens barely featured an actual Alien.
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 06:58:00 AM
QuoteI think AvP:R's story was better in principle in some ways than AvP's because it focused on the Predator and the Aliens, which is what it should do. It's Aliens vs. Predator after all, not AvPvH.
To be fair, the first half and both Alien and Aliens barely featured an actual Alien.
Same with Predator, barring brief the cuts to perspective.
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2009, 06:58:00 AM
To be fair, the first half and both Alien and Aliens barely featured an actual Alien.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Aug 25, 2009, 10:00:49 AM
Same with Predator, barring brief the cuts to perspective.
You're both right, but those films were about the humans surviving a foreign creature which was chasing them. The only reason the films had the titles they did was to give the viewer a name for the respective creature (to me, anyway).
If they do another AvP movie:
It should learn from the mistakes of the games and comics
Should use the classic Aliens vs Predator logo
Should have more input from fans and Dark Horse
Quote from: dragonthingy on Aug 25, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
If they do another AvP movie:
It should learn from the mistakes of the games and comics
Should use the classic Aliens vs Predator logo
Should have more input from fans and Dark Horse
What mistakes from the games and comics should they learn from?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you out. ;D
I've haven't played all games or read all comics and there's plenty out there.
I'm going to have to go with the first AVP. It was flawed, but it's a fun movie to watch to get your Alien Vs Predator fix. I love the look of the film, it has great set designs and eye candy cinematography. The special effects in the movie were quite impressive, the part where you see the Queen alien running through the whale bones was insane. The whole Antarctica settings was great I thought, it added to the atmosphere of the film. Grid vs Celtic was awesome, Queen Vs Scar was epic, Lance Henriksen being in it was a plus too. The only problem I have with the movie is the fact it's was PG-13.
AVP-R on the other hand could have been atleast a bloody, fun, horror flick but it just ended up being choked to death with poor, washed out, boring visuals that destroyed every single shot and scene in the whole f--king movie.
I voted for Alien vs. Predator. I will explain in my review of Requiem, which will start now:
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! WHY? WHY?? WWHHHHYYYY??? IT WAS SO f**kING HORRIBLE! AAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRR!!!!! WHAT THE f**k? HOW WAS THIS PIECE OF SHIT GREENLIT BY FOX? It burned my eyes it sucked so bad. Good thing I watched a grainy pirated version online. If I had seen it in theatres, I WOULD PROBABLY BE BLIND! f**k, THEY BUTCHERED 2 OF MY FAVOURITE ALIENS!! GAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! I DON'T EVEN USE PROFANITY OFTEN, BUT ONLY SWEARS CAN PROPERLY EXPRESS HOW MUCH I HATED THIS f**kING EXCUSE FOR A MOVIE!!!!!!
AVP, if AVP-R was at least able to be viewed it would be FTW. But we can't see whats goiing on half the time :(
Quote from: A L I E N on Sep 05, 2009, 10:53:14 AM
AVP, if AVP-R was at least able to be viewed it would be FTW. But we can't see whats goiing on half the time :(
My problem with AvP-R is the opposite, I can see what's going on...
Man, they really did a number on both the Alien and the Predator fans in that movie,
Okay, the Alien took the biggest hit.
The Alien is suppose to be the ultimate prey still most of them acted like Gill.
This is not an easy decision.. they both sucked in an incredible way.
But I'll give some credit for the "R" in AvP:R.
AvP was not a great movie, but the worst thing about it is that it was a missed opportunity. I liked the visual design elements and there was nothing too canon-raping. The life-cycle speed-up was quite the oversight, but apart from that I can't think of anything in particular that damaged canon. Paul Anderson did not feel the need to expand upon the creatures beyond what we've seen in movies and comics already, and was happy to present his vision of the conflict. I respect that, even though he err'd.
AvPR, on the other hand, was an atrocious movie in every aspect. At least AvP had strong ties to the Weyland corporation and, while there was too much focus on the humans in many cases, especially the ones that were ultimately killed off, was about developed individuals being mostly competent. AvPR was a clusterf**k, with a zombie apocalypse setup, a teenage love subplot and enough bully-the-bully moments to make me think both directors were making up for their high school years. The Aliens were absolutely trashed, the Predators were portrayed shoddily and it was too dark to see the design elements, the pinnacle of which, the Predalien, was awful.
tl;dr AvP was poor because it didn't go far enough. AvPR hit the point of no-return early on, and didn't stop until the credits rolled.
I agree with your points, AvP was better when it comes down to directing and acting skills, but the decision to make it "PG-13 family entertainment" ruined everything (along with the setting). Srsly, aliens and predators fighting and there's no gore? Aw, come on..
"sending a big F.CK YOU! to Fox"
avpr did have allot of good ideas and expanded on the predators weapons!
You call a giant glove that can smash through everything 'expanding'?
It expanded the power of the Predator's fist...
Explanded the power of the Predator's fist breakin off in a Aliens ass maybe, but thats about it.
The glove was pretty lame.
But I think that the whip and mines have some potential,
The Plasma caster turned into a gun was cool.
I liked the idea that the Predator would be able to use the plasma caster manually if his gear gets damaged.
The whip was awesome. Loved the duel and hand guns as well. AVP was in the Alien's favor, AVPR was in the Predator's.
that's what i was getting at it expanded the weapons! the mines were cool he had a layout of the sewer on his arm and could see where he placed them.
The mines are fine with me, preds had them in AvP2 (game), I didn't like the whip idea, though. I always associate whips with Indy Jones and BDSM porn, never with a pred. ;D
Quote from: Puks on Sep 11, 2009, 03:59:14 PM
The mines are fine with me, preds had them in AvP2 (game), I didn't like the whip idea, though. I always associate whips with Indy Jones and BDSM porn, never with a pred. ;D
only movies are canon. thought the whip was cool it tore aliens apart easy.
Even if only the movies are canon, the AvP games have established their own canon of sorts.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 12, 2009, 03:48:33 PM
Even if only the movies are canon, the AvP games have established their own canon of sorts.
yeah only for the games they have! if its in the movie its canon, like the predalien.
The Predalien conflicts with existing canon.
i know it does somewhat but like i said its in the movie theres nothing that can be done!
Quote from: CHAINS on Sep 12, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
i know it does somewhat but like i said its in the movie theres nothing that can be done!
There is something. They could remove AvPR from Alien and Predator canon, which would be a good move in my opinion. I already don't consider anything in that piece of shit "movie" canon.
Quote from: CHAINS on Sep 12, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
i know it does somewhat but like i said its in the movie theres nothing that can be done!
It can be safely ignored, since when two sources of canon conflict, the most simple thing to do is to ignore the new, offending material. Making up explanations of how these two things can coexist is just fanon, anyway.
Or, just remember that the AvP films are canon unto themselves, just like Predator and Alien are in their own universes.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2009, 05:12:47 AM
Or, just remember that the AvP films are canon unto themselves, just like Predator and Alien are in their own universes.
you could be right there if they didn't put bishop in avp even though it wasn't him just sort of tied them together and made it confusing hes there!
The AvP films were supposed to tie both franchises together, but the lack of continuity screwed everything up.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 14, 2009, 02:17:43 PM
The AvP films were supposed to tie both franchises together, but the lack of continuity screwed everything up.
exactly! the lack of continuity and the horrible story they wrote to try and make them fit just didn't work at all! in both of the predator movies you never see in any of them a predator befriending a human like in avp which still bothers me!
Although, to be fair, that did happen as a plot point of the original comic.
AvPR is winning? Really? :-\
I'm with Lt. Mike Harrigan here, sure the queen was massive but It's been there forever, in aliens it was around for what like weeks and granted the chestbursting was almost instantaneous but AVP was far more tolerable despite some character flaws that will remain pretty much with that movie and won't really affect any future movies unlike AVPR
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 15, 2009, 03:07:38 PM
Although, to be fair, that did happen as a plot point of the original comic.
And the comics are non-canon, despite what Fox may say. Go figure.
But AvP made the Predator team up concept canon.
Sort of.
Kind of.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 15, 2009, 03:07:38 PM
Although, to be fair, that did happen as a plot point of the original comic.
that's different canon not the movie!
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2009, 04:19:04 AM
But AvP made the Predator team up concept canon.
Sort of.
Kind of.
yeah regretfull they are canon. the story they created to make them fit in the same continuity just didn't work at all! that aliens were bred for the hunt was just dumb! they have to be allot older than the predator race!
Just because they're bred for the hunt does not mean they're not older just that predators helped spread the species
Quote from: Rabies on Sep 16, 2009, 04:05:16 PM
Just because they're bred for the hunt does not mean they're not older just that predators helped spread the species
that whole bred for the hunt thing was created for the story to make the two continuity's exist together! i would aliens definitely would be older they evolved past technology and use biotechnology like the ship from the first alien movie!
I think you're reading "bred" the wrong way.
The implication is that the Predators found the Aliens and considered them the most worthy opponents they had ever encountered. Using their superior technology, they captured eggs and used lesser species to breed Aliens for the hunt.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 16, 2009, 06:49:19 PM
I think you're reading "bred" the wrong way.
The implication is that the Predators found the Aliens and considered them the most worthy opponents they had ever encountered. Using their superiority technology, they captured eggs and used lesser species to breed Aliens for the hunt.
I just bought AvP, the blu-ray disc. Man, it felt like a diffrent movie, it had a trivia section where they were giving information in form of a report in small blue boxes during the movie.
They acually reffered the Predator as YAUTJA! How cool ain't that!!!
Now don't get me wrong, I don't see "movie Yautja" the same as "comic Yautja".
It's like x-men comics contra the movies.
They are different, some might prefer movie x-men over the comic,
I prefer movie Yautja over the comic ones.
Now I would like to change my vote, I voted AvP-R the first time.
AvP is the better movie.
And to post something related to the previous post in this topic.
Quote from: CHAINS on Sep 16, 2009, 12:35:37 PM
yeah regretfull they are canon. the story they created to make them fit in the same continuity just didn't work at all! that aliens were bred for the hunt was just dumb! they have to be allot older than the predator race!
I think that MadassAlex is right. The Predators didn't create the aliens, they found them somewere and started to breed them for the hunt.
Anyone entering the pyramid is agreeing to become a host for the alien, that's why the entrance says "only the choosen ones may enter", once you enter then you are one among the choosen.
Other that are allowed to enter are the hunters, that's why Lex didn't get killed and was tolerated...
first, she didn't become a host
Second, she killed an Alien.
The team-up ain't wrong, she did what the Predators came there to do.
And she was the only one among the hunters that didn't fail.
That was what I was trying to say
QuoteSecond, she killed an Alien.
An Alien walked onto the spear she was holding. Boy it's simple to get in on the Preds posse, yo!
:D lol :D
yeah but that whole finding them story was created for the sole purpose to make them fit in the same universe and thus helped create avp(which aliens did kick butt in)
the second predator movie bound the two together, clearly displayed in the trophy case is an Alien skull
Just like ET and 2001 are bound to Star Wars...
Quote from: Rabies on Sep 17, 2009, 02:04:35 AM
the second predator movie bound the two together, clearly displayed in the trophy case is an Alien skull
The skull was a gag insert. Nothing more, nothing less.
Really? I feel stupid then
it left the idea hanging for the avp movie though it was a gag!
Quote from: SM on Sep 16, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
QuoteSecond, she killed an Alien.
An Alien walked onto the spear she was holding. Boy it's simple to get in on the Preds posse, yo!
Walked???
The Alien was chargeing at her, she took the spear and defended herself with it,
Her action killed the alien, she had both a killer and a warrior instinct, that instinct made her accepted.
She could have froze as most humans do seconds before an Alien attack but she didn't.
If Celtic would have done the same thing he would have survived the fight with Grid...
Not only did Scars two fellow hunters die at their confrontation with the aliens they did it without being able
to kill one, Lex didn't only survive she managed to kill the alien while it was attacking her and she did it with a spear, not a gun, rifle or a granade against an Alien who didn't know that it was being targeted.
I wouldn't call it simple or hard for that matter, she acted upon her instinct, by reflex, it just happened.
She had a warrior spirit and didn't even know it.
When Leonidas did it with the wolf it was bad ass, but he planned it she just kind of reacted, had she stalked it I could see her getting respect but she had a losing hand up until the last minute just cause she got lucky doesn't mean anything
Quote from: Milan on Sep 18, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
I wouldn't call it simple or hard for that matter, she acted upon her instinct, by reflex, it just happened.
She had a warrior spirit and didn't even know it.
Warrior spirit means she had it in her to fight. That's not the same thing as reflecting on instinct, as you said. It was fight or flight in that setting so she had no choice.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 18, 2009, 04:32:14 PM
Quote from: Milan on Sep 18, 2009, 04:00:50 PM
I wouldn't call it simple or hard for that matter, she acted upon her instinct, by reflex, it just happened.
She had a warrior spirit and didn't even know it.
Warrior spirit means she had it in her to fight. That's not the same thing as reflecting on instinct, as you said. It was fight or flight in that setting so she had no choice.
At that moment she could only react on instinct, if she would acted upon the "flight" part then she would have tried to escape or make some other defensive movement, having a Warrior spirit too me is when you instinctively go for the "fight" part, your response and action would be aggressive, not defensive.
A warrior fights.
And that wasn't the only moment she took the fight to the Alien instead of freezing or running away from it, she later on killed the alien that was attacking Scar on the sled and that wasn't a reflex, she was a Warrior spirit, she had "fight" in her, no doubt.
No, she was fighting because she had no choice. In the first instance, she was sitting down, pinned up against a wall with nowhere to go and in the second, the only way out was up, but she needed Scar with her so she had to blast the Alien off his shoulder.
Quoteauthor=DoomRulz link=topic=12160.msg544179#msg544179 date=1253336556]
No, she was fighting because she had no choice. In the first instance, she was sitting down, pinned up against a wall with nowhere to go...
She could have thrown herself forward under the alien or to the sides, she could also try to get up on her feet,
in an attempt to run for it, Consequence doesn't apply when dealing with actions done as a result of acting on your instincts. Many times we see people freeze when being found by the Alien, she could have done that as well, cause she was also scared shitless.
However, doing any of this only proves that you are not a warrior spirit.
Quote...and in the second, the only way out was up, but she needed Scar with her so she had to blast the Alien off his shoulder.
...there were also a bomb counting down, she could have left Scar with the aliens and jumped on the sled alone.
All she then could have done was to stay away from the queen until others arrive, as Weyland said, he wasn't the only one with a satelite over the place, others would turn up there eventually to investigate what happened, she could then tell them what happened and leave the queen for some other branch, like the military.
Or she could have stayed down at the pyramid with Scar while he was being attacked, crying, trying too push the Alien away from him while screaming; Leave Him Alone!!! Oh, my god, you're killing him!!! Noooo!!!!...
...BOOM!
Instead she decided too aim and shoot the Alien in the head.
She once again took an aggressive action.
I think that we are relating to the word "Warrior spirit" differently.
If you are walking alone and three guys try to jump you,
If you fight, even when you're scared, even when you know that the odds are against you, even if you lose. I would say that you had a warrior spirit.
But if you run, surrender or got beaten down and never once try to hurt the other guy, I would say that you didn't have it in you.
Having a Warrior Spirit is all about what you do, consequences ain't a priority, you can't help it, you're mind might scream "RUN" but you're body doesn't follow, instead you find yourself fighting while you should be running for your dear life.
And you can have a warrior spirit without even being physical, cause "fight" and "fight back" can happen on the mental level, like when going up against your boss or teacher when he or she have done or said something wrong or if you're sick fighting the cancer spreading through your body while laying in a hospital bed.
Even in a discussion on this forum, you when you find yourself fighting to prove your point. :)
Quote from: Milan on Sep 19, 2009, 12:27:50 PM
She could have thrown herself forward under the alien or to the sides, she could also try to get up on her feet, in an attempt to run for it
What?? Dude, there was no way she would have been able to react quickly enough. If she even
attempted to move, she would have been dead in the freaking water.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 19, 2009, 12:27:50 PMConsequence doesn't apply when dealing with actions done as a result of acting on your instincts. Many times we see people freeze when being found by the Alien, she could have done that as well, cause she was also scared shitless.
However, doing any of this only proves that you are not a warrior spirit.
She reacted on instinct: fight or flight. She couldn't run because
she had nowhere to go. So what does she do? Grab the closest weapon to her and injure the Alien as much as possible. There is no "warrior spirit" here.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 19, 2009, 12:27:50 PMAll she then could have done was to stay away from the queen until others arrive, as Weyland said, he wasn't the only one with a satelite over the place, others would turn up there eventually to investigate what happened, she could then tell them what happened and leave the queen for some other branch, like the military.
"Stay away from the Queen until the others arrive"? That's your solution? The Queen tends to kill those involved in the destruction of her hive, in case you didn't notice.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 19, 2009, 12:27:50 PMOr she could have stayed down at the pyramid with Scar while he was being attacked, crying, trying too push the Alien away from him while screaming; Leave Him Alone!!! Oh, my god, you're killing him!!! Noooo!!!!...
...BOOM!
Instead she decided too aim and shoot the Alien in the head.
She once again took an aggressive action.
Because she had no choice. There was no way she would've made it out of their alive without Scar's help so she had to save him, irrespective of whether she wanted to or not.
Quote from: Milan on Sep 19, 2009, 12:27:50 PMI think that we are relating to the word "Warrior spirit" differently.
If you are walking alone and three guys try to jump you,
If you fight, even when you're scared, even when you know that the odds are against you, even if you lose. I would say that you had a warrior spirit.
But if you run, surrender or got beaten down and never once try to hurt the other guy, I would say that you didn't have it in you.
Having a Warrior Spirit is all about what you do, consequences ain't a priority, you can't help it, you're mind might scream "RUN" but you're body doesn't follow, instead you find yourself fighting while you should be running for your dear life.
And you can have a warrior spirit without even being physical, cause "fight" and "fight back" can happen on the mental level, like when going up against your boss or teacher when he or she have done or said something wrong or if you're sick fighting the cancer spreading through your body while laying in a hospital bed.
Even in a discussion on this forum, you when you find yourself fighting to prove your point. :)
Warrior is a very strong word and it can't be applied to Lex because she only committed one real act of bravery: shooting the Alien in the head. She saved Scar's life because she needed his help, not because she loved him (though arguably the following scene would suggest otherwise...) She took on the Queen, but she had to, again, because there was no other option. Running away would have meant instant death. She's certainly a fighter, but until she becomes the next Machiko, she's no warrior.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
She reacted on instinct: fight or flight. She couldn't run because she had nowhere to go. So what does she do? Grab the closest weapon to her and injure the Alien as much as possible. There is no "warrior spirit" here.
You're assuming she'd be rational enough to realize that she had nowhere to go. If she's out of her mind she's not going to care that she won't be able to try a side-jump or whatever to get out of the path of the Alien's leap, she'll just try and get killed regardless.
It's got nothing to do with being rational. When you're pressed up against a wall and there's an 8 foot monster staring right at you about to jump, it becomes rather obvious.
Exactly
I always got the impression that she thought,
"That thing doesn't look nearly as hardcore as the one in the first movie, f**k it"
And went for it.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Sep 20, 2009, 10:37:28 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 19, 2009, 02:28:37 PM
She reacted on instinct: fight or flight. She couldn't run because she had nowhere to go. So what does she do? Grab the closest weapon to her and injure the Alien as much as possible. There is no "warrior spirit" here.
You're assuming she'd be rational enough to realize that she had nowhere to go. If she's out of her mind she's not going to care that she won't be able to try a side-jump or whatever to get out of the path of the Alien's leap, she'll just try and get killed regardless.
This.
As I previous said, consequences doesn't matter when dealing with actions done as a reflex or by instinct.
Why? cause you don't think about it in that way when acting upon a reflex.
You don't think at all, you just "do".
Warrior spirit is what you are deep down, it's not a thing that you can turn on or off.
When not given the time to think it always comes through.
You can't say that a "fighter" lacks "warrior spirit" when the fighter fights, even if he or she in the end loses the fight.
Lex grabbed a spear while others would have tried to get away, that's proof of a Warrior Spirit.
When put in a situation where her life was at risk she acted aggressively, that's proof of a warrior spirit too.
You are right about her not being next Machiko, but if the series continue she could become the next Sarah Connor...
...Trying to sabotage the Weyland Yutani corporation, might have spelled the name wrong.
However, This discussion started with me claiming that the alien didn't just walk into the spear,
and that she got "accepted" by Scar for proving that she had a "warrior spirit", he was aiming at her then he looked at the alien who she killed seconds before, "fight or flight" you say, if you're reaction would be "fight" then you got yourself a warrior spirit. And did she "fight", yes.
Did she get lucky, hell yes!
If she would have reacted one second later she would have died, the alien would have jumped over the spear, would she have done the "flight" part then she might have died too.
either by the hands of the Alien or the Predator.
How the hell is AvP:R winning? Seriously! I would rather watch Plan 9 From Outer Space two dozen more times then watch the f**king excuse for a "film" once more. Everything sucked about it: shitty storyline, one-dimensional characters, horrible Alien designs (I mean, seriously; what the f**k is up with the Predalien? Why are parts of it green? And why does it have dreadlocks? Human-born Aliens don't have penises or breasts!), terrible fights, and blatant canon-raping. The only good thing about it was that it made this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lSe8cHpZ8) possible.
Awesome :D
That video is much better than the actual movie! :D
That's exactly what I thought. I liked the end the best.
I'll bite, that vid was awesomesauce :D
Meh, I'll take AvP:R over A:R, AvP, and A3 any day of the week. At least it kept me entertained.
All that movie did was make me nauseous.
Oh, yes, and want to gouge out my eyes.
You can see pretty clearly if you can still type.
I meant to say that it made me want to gouge out my eyes. Fortunately, there were no suitable object for that task in the immediate vicinity.
See, now you've been caught exaggerating the truth... everything you've said and ever will say shall forever be drawn into question.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2009, 02:55:05 AM
I'll bite, that vid was awesomesauce :D
Meh, I'll take AvP:R over A:R, AvP, and A3 any day of the week. At least it kept me entertained.
You and I agree on most things, but man, I'll just never get this.
I mean, really?
Really?Oh well. :D
Ya, really. A:R was stupid and unnecessary, AvP was boring as shit, and A:3 wasn't needed (though it's still a tolerable film).
Why is AvP:R still winning?
Is there anyone left in this age of Transformers movies who has even a smidgen of decent taste?
I despair. :(
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2009, 02:05:18 PM
stupid and unnecessary, boring as shit, wasn't needed.
AvPR in a nutshell.
Meh.
But it's truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue!
Not to me, it's not.
I can't think of what AvPR possibly contributed to AvP, ALIEN or Predator.
Not as if A:R or AvP added anything.
I watched AvP again a few days ago and I quite enjoyed it until the interspecies "marriage". Can't say the same about AvPR.. the teen drama is horrible.
AvP bored me from the get go. Hardly any action, too much talking, dumb Predators, poor Alien designs, and a dumb script.
Sure AvP:R suffered from the same problems but at least it kept me awake.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 30, 2009, 02:05:18 PM
Ya, really. A:R was stupid and unnecessary, AvP was boring as shit, and A:3 wasn't needed (though it's still a tolerable film).
But AvP:R was stupid and unnecessary too. AvP. yeah that was boring as shit, but still had better writing than AvP:R (though, shit is shit, even if one stinks less than another). A3 wasn't needed, thats true, but the movie was still good (far beyond AvP:R, at the least); also, AvP:R wasn't needed at all either.
Though, I can see your point that there is more action value in it, but at what cost? You get passed the one dimensional Dawson's Creek reject cast, the idiotic predators, the aliens whos hosts must have done speedballs during pregnancy, the awkward dialogue, the conflicts with the source material, the obviously just for shock to distract from the rest of the movie gore, and the walking abomination that was the Pred-Alien, and the action is tolerable.
AvP is a missed opportunity, and the overall idea isn't that bad. AvP is a movie that could be fixed with a few changes here and there.
AvP:R on the other hand just needs a massive overhaul.
AvP:R was poorly executed to the point of almost no return. I say almost because both AvP movies had something the other lacked.
A:R was just...what the hell was the point? The franchise already took a dive with Alien 3 and it was stupid. Bad acting, slapstick humour (when did Alien movies become funny?), and an abomination that was at least 100 times uglier than any Predalien.
AvP had close to an A-list cast with names like Ewan Bremner, Sanaa Lathan, and Lance Henriksen and totally wasted their talents. I'm not sure who I have more sympathy for, that cast or AvP:R's.
I'd feel way more sympathy for the 'Requiem' cast. Infact I'd feel most sympathy for Reiko Aylesworth, not just because she's a good actress that got dragged into crud, but because she actually tried to make it seem like something it wasn't. In an interview, she said the movie was about survival and the sacrifices people would have to make to save their loved ones. A good moral story. Of course, it's not. Johnny Lewis pretty much nailed it when he said "the intent is awesomeness".
If that's not shallow I don't know what is.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 31, 2009, 11:46:54 AM
A:R was just...what the hell was the point? The franchise already took a dive with Alien 3 and it was stupid. Bad acting, slapstick humour (when did Alien movies become funny?), and an abomination that was at least 100 times uglier than any Predalien.
Except that was supposed to be an abomination. Hey, at least they took the penis/vagina off of it.
Supposed to be or otherwise, it was a retarded idea. At least the Predalien made sense, albeit executed poorly.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Oct 31, 2009, 05:58:56 PM
Except that was supposed to be an abomination. Hey, at least they took the penis/vagina off of it.
It still had an elongated head
and a giant vagina running up its chest. Even Chet's pecs weren't that bad.
Predalien?
Maybe.
Predqueen?
Get the f**k out.
:'(
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 01, 2009, 03:31:13 AM
Supposed to be or otherwise, it was a retarded idea.
Agreed.
QuoteA:R was just...what the hell was the point?
To revivie interest in the series after Alien3 sunk it.
Quoteslapstick humour (when did Alien movies become funny?)
Aliens arguably. Which bit was slapstick?
Quoteand an abomination that was at least 100 times uglier than any Predalien.
But made 100 times more sense than any PedAlien.
May its name be forever cursed.
QuoteAvP had close to an A-list cast with names like Ewan Bremner, Sanaa Lathan, and Lance Henriksen and totally wasted their talents.
Which A-list are you looking at cos none of those guys are on it.
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2009, 03:23:08 AM
To revivie interest in the series after Alien3 sunk it.
If by revive you mean take the series in a direction that no one expected (cloning Ripley) and tell everyone there's always a way to bring something back even if it means pissing on it even more, ya, you're right.
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2009, 03:23:08 AM
Aliens arguably. Which bit was slapstick?
Ok, maybe slapstick is a strong term but the sexual cracks from Johner and I guess his character in general was just stupid. He didn't add anything to the movie for me.
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2009, 03:23:08 AM
But made 100 times more sense than any PedAlien.
May its name be forever cursed.
That's P
redalien. And how did it make more sense? The Newborn (May its name be forever cursed) [I'm lovin' this] literally came from nowhere and it was a bad idea for a new alien species. It felt as though the writer needed
something to make the ending interesting so it literally pulled the damn thing outta his ass. At least the Predalien had been created previously in the comics and made sense to me because it was an Alien born from a Predator. With Resurrection having such a dumb plot, the NB just totally killed it for me.
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2009, 03:23:08 AM
Which A-list are you looking at cos none of those guys are on it.
Really? I'd say Bremner at the very least is A-list. He's done some great films, the least of which is Trainspotting.
The only A-lister from Trainspotting is McGregor. Miller and Carlisle come close.
QuoteIf by revive you mean take the series in a direction that no one expected (cloning Ripley) and tell everyone there's always a way to bring something back even if it means pissing on it even more, ya, you're right.
No, I'm just right by saying they wanted to revive the franchise after Alien3 sunk it. Anything else is opinion.
QuoteHe didn't add anything to the movie for me.
He got laughs and cheers at a couple of points from the audience when I saw it. Horses for courses.
QuoteAnd how did it make more sense?
Because it's in keeping with the themes of genetic crossing that permeate the film. Ripley is mostly human with a bit of Alien; the Queen is mostly Alien with a bit of human. The Newborn is their bastard lovechild. The execution could've been better in terms of its place in the story, but otherwise it's the next logical step following on from the genetic shenanigans presented from the outset.
Only the good lord knows why viewers would think this was supposed to be the "new alien species", when it was a complete one off, and could never be recreated. Like the Queen in Aliens it existed solely to provide a climactic showdown. The Queen was just executed better in that it's existance was flagged earlier on so it didn't come out of left field, and the showdown was more engrossing.
The Predalien doesn't make sense because the Alien can't magically generate matter during its growth cycle. A host's health might contribute to the Alien, because a healthy host will provide better nutrition for the developing embryo, but otherwise the host doesn't really contribute anything, except perhaps information.
The Alien takes traits from the host that are relevant to survival. How are mandibles relevant to survival? An Alien does not require them, because it has two arms, two mouths and a highly coordinated tail. Dreadlocks aren't relevant either. Extra size doesn't make sense, since the Alien is already larger than a Predator. Extra strength doesn't make sense, because an Alien is arguably stronger than a Predator already and if not, there's nothing the Predator could contribute to make the Alien stronger.
Oh yeah - forgot that bit. The PredAlien* didn't make sense cos of dreads, tacked on mandibles and boobies.
And it's supposed to be a Queen.
With only two arms.
And no proper crown.
And the inherited Predator trait of barfing eggs down the throats of chicks who are up the duff and the eggs manage to somehow get into her womb without tearing her insides to pieces.
* - May its name be forever cursed.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 02, 2009, 04:08:30 AM
The Alien takes traits from the host that are relevant to survival. How are mandibles relevant to survival? An Alien does not require them, because it has two arms, two mouths and a highly coordinated tail. Dreadlocks aren't relevant either. Extra size doesn't make sense, since the Alien is already larger than a Predator. Extra strength doesn't make sense, because an Alien is arguably stronger than a Predator already and if not, there's nothing the Predator could contribute to make the Alien stronger.
I agree the dreads made zero sense, but I have nothing against mandibles on an Alien. They're just a small tip to where the Alien came from.
As for extra size, that's a minor quibble. The Predalien was only about a foot taller than the Warriors so it's not as if the size difference was astronomical like the Queen.
What extra strength are you referring to?
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2009, 04:12:30 AM
And no proper crown.
Young queen, ergo, not fully developed.
Or, indeed, developed at all.
Like it's 'hood'.
And it's Queen dorsal spines.
Mandibles I'm personally fine with. Sure, they don't make sense, but if you want that tip as to the Alien's origins, I guess they're fine. Not that there should be much real difference between an Alien and a Predalien to begin with.
AvPR made it pretty clear that it was trying to portray the Predalien as stronger than other Aliens.
QuoteNot that there should be much real difference between an Alien and a Predalien to begin with.
Therein lies the problem.
I've always maintained they should be there for aesthetic purposes. Based on what we know, they make no real sense though.
Sad that even when they did put them on it, they looked so dopey.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 02, 2009, 04:39:32 AM
AvPR made it pretty clear that it was trying to portray the Predalien as stronger than other Aliens.
...how?
Because it held up a nurse with one hand? Anytime held up Dutch with one arm, no problem.
Quote...how?
Cos it was the only one that could effectively duke it out with the Predator?
Swatting other Aliens, Wolf having a harder time smacking it around, larger size, ect.
I think the narrative inclination here is pretty clear. Much like Cameron never outright told us for sure that the Aliens had a basic grasp of human technology in ALIENS and instead displayed it for us off-camera.
Also, its bitch tits gave it extra upper body strength. For reals.
Quote from: SM on Nov 02, 2009, 04:47:05 AM
Quote...how?
Cos it was the only one that could effectively duke it out with the Predator?
And Grid couldn't?
And? The Aliens were still f**ktarded, but at least one was able to whack Wolf off a catwalk, the point being that Chet didn't have the extra strength.
And Grid's got nowt to do wi' nowt
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 02, 2009, 05:00:34 AM
And? The Aliens were still f**ktarded, but at least one was able to whack Wolf off a catwalk, the point being that Chet didn't have the extra strength.
Chet had the strength to directly resist Wolf's attacks. The other Aliens did not.
That's being tough. Not physically strong; there's a difference.
And what would that be in this sort of context?
Chet was tough enough to withstand his attacks. The Aliens were strong, but were still worthless little bitches when it came to fighting. They were strong enough to kill humans, but that doesn't mean much.
Put that way it sounds like the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) was stronger than the Aliens...
Okay, when you get hit by an attack, there are two factors that come into play:
1. Your own weight
2. The force resistance to the attack
I sincerely doubt that the first factor alone made Chet more resilient. It's much more like the force she was generating prevented Wolf's attacks from affecting her like they did the other Aliens. Ergo, Chet being stronger.
Seeing as the Strausi had the PredAlien knock the socks off Wolfie at the end (literally sending him on his touche at one point), I think they were definitely trying to show the PredAlien was signifcantly stronger, deadlier and tougher than any other Alien in the film. This is hammered home by the fact every other Alien in the film had is asshole torn a new one by Wolfie.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 02, 2009, 04:44:53 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 02, 2009, 04:39:32 AM
AvPR made it pretty clear that it was trying to portray the Predalien as stronger than other Aliens.
...how?
Because it held up a nurse with one hand? Anytime held up Dutch with one arm, no problem.
She smashed right through thick concrete. With her head.
I want to say AvP R. While AvP seemed a little more 'polished', and had a better story (not too much of a good one in the first place), AvP R just seemed cooler in the respects of the monsters fighting and more faithful nods to the earlier (good) movies in the franchises.
Quote from: Saber on Nov 05, 2009, 09:00:04 PM
more faithful nods to the earlier (good) movies in the franchises.
Except any time an Alien was in frame.
Quote from: Saber on Nov 05, 2009, 09:00:04 PM
more faithful nods to the earlier (good) movies in the franchises.
Because nothing quite breaks immersion like an inferior version of a shot you've seen before or a line hamfistedly slammed into place.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 05, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
Because nothing quite breaks immersion like an inferior version of a shot you've seen before or a line hamfistedly slammed into place.
That needs to be on a poster.
I second that.
This poll makes me sad :'(
A lot of things have made you sad in the last day. Maybe this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RntL-2uwt_g) will make you feel better.
Huh. I'd have settled for a puppy montage.
But that's alright.
That's just my go-to happy song. It always cheers me up. It's the only thing that helps me forget the storm...
Thanks SpaceMarines! Great tune! Feeling better already!
...And I bet that Mr. Marley would've voted for AVP and not AvP:R if he was still alive, a cool hombre like him.
You're very welcome. Marley for sure would have voted AvP.
AVP at least tried, the effort and potential was most certainly there even through it does fall flat on so many levels. I mean the Predator designs were horrible for one. Anyway, AVP.R in my eyes was worse then a fan-made film on youtube; the story was crap, the acting was cheesy and you couldn't see what was going on since the budget was limited in which case they made it as dark as they could. In conclusion: AVP is what Terminator Salvation is to T3 and that's the better sequel overall, however a pretty big let done as far as the rest of the series goes.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Nov 06, 2009, 11:11:32 PM
This poll makes me sad :'(
most of the voters who voted AvPR probably dont come on this board now
I'm still here. I voted AvP:R for the simple fact that both stories sucked but AvP:R had better action. It's actually enjoyable to see the Predator in action. Now if the movie only would've had Aliens that were more like Grid.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 05, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: Saber on Nov 05, 2009, 09:00:04 PM
more faithful nods to the earlier (good) movies in the franchises.
Because nothing quite breaks immersion like an inferior version of a shot you've seen before or a line hamfistedly slammed into place.
Lol, good points... I don't know, both movies sucked, so it's like trying to pick out of two dog turds, which one smells the least.
Quote from: Saber on Nov 09, 2009, 06:12:38 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 05, 2009, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: Saber on Nov 05, 2009, 09:00:04 PM
more faithful nods to the earlier (good) movies in the franchises.
Because nothing quite breaks immersion like an inferior version of a shot you've seen before or a line hamfistedly slammed into place.
Lol, good points... I don't know, both movies sucked, so it's like trying to pick out of two dog turds, which one smells the least.
I liked them both... just kidding :D
i have to go with avp R its just a better movie and thats what i think hehe
In what way was it better? Did it have a better story? No, it barely had one at all. Acting? No, it was somehow worse than AvP (excluding Lance Henriksen of course). Better Alien designs? Again, somehow, they were worse. While it did have more action than AvP, quality =/= quantity, so again AvP takes the cake for me in this category as well. I'm sorry if I'm rambling, it's just this movie was so f**king horrible that it makes my blood boil if I think too much about it.
The eternal struggle continues...
It's just a movie dude. Don't let it get to 'ya.
But let me express some, annoyance, at the fact that someone thinks 'Requiem' is "better" than 'AvP'. It's not. It really isn't. Take all the basics that were bad about 'AvP'; the script, acting, lack of realism etc and make it 2x worse. Thats what 'AvP:R' managed to accomplish.
Personally for me, AvP:R just had a bigger entertainment factor. It was fun to watch Wolf do the things he did and I liked the atmosphere better. All about AvP felt so artifical to me. I don't know how to exactly describe it, the execution felt kinda sterile, cold, unimaginative.
Quote from: War Wager on Nov 17, 2009, 11:25:16 PM
It's just a movie dude. Don't let it get to 'ya.
I know I shouldn't, I just can't help it. Sometimes, something that is so horrible yet so popular comes along, and it just really pisses me off. This "film" is one, and Family Guy is another.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 17, 2009, 11:31:17 PM
Personally for me, AvP:R just had a bigger entertainment factor. It was fun to watch Wolf do the things he did and I liked the atmosphere better. All about AvP felt so artificial to me. I don't know how to exactly describe it, the execution felt kinda sterile, cold, unimaginative.
It looks artificial, like a video game. Which I guess is better than a YouTube video.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 17, 2009, 11:31:17 PM
Personally for me, AvP:R just had a bigger entertainment factor. It was fun to watch Wolf do the things he did and I liked the atmosphere better. All about AvP felt so artifical to me. I don't know how to exactly describe it, the execution felt kinda sterile, cold, unimaginative.
AvP was unimaginative?
I'll take an underground alien pyramid over Jason Voorhees's hunting ground anyday.
QuoteBut let me express some, annoyance, at the fact that someone thinks 'Requiem' is "better" than 'AvP'. It's not. It really isn't. Take all the basics that were bad about 'AvP'; the script, acting, lack of realism etc and make it 2x worse. Thats what 'AvP:R' managed to accomplish.
QuoteIt's just a movie dude. Don't let it get to 'ya.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Nov 17, 2009, 11:35:09 PM
AvP was unimaginative?
I'll take an underground alien pyramid over Jason Voorhees's hunting ground anyday.
Not the scenario, the way the Movie looked.
AvP was far more visually rich than Requiem ever was.
This thread is interesting again. :)
QuoteAvP was far more visually rich than Requiem ever was.
The look of AvP was about the only positive.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Nov 17, 2009, 11:42:57 PM
AvP was far more visually rich than Requiem ever was.
Ya...gotta love the grey, drab, monotone scheme over an acutal colourful palette, albeit a dark one ::)
Quote from: TJ Doc on Nov 17, 2009, 11:42:57 PM
AvP was far more visually rich than Requiem ever was.
It all was black and gray and for a Pyramid buried beneath the ice, the corridors were surprisingly well lit. I kept wondering where the light came from. It's funny though, AvP was too well lit and AvP:R was too dark.
I found that AvP's lighting was just fine. True, it was unrealistically bright; but it was utilised well.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 17, 2009, 11:47:53 PM
Ya...gotta love the grey, drab, monotone scheme over an acutal colourful palette that was almost completely washed out, albeit a dark one. Wait, that makes it worse. Ah well, I guess I'll just role my eyes at myself - ::)
:)
I'm still not clear on all this "GAH AVP:R WAS TEH BLACKNESS COULDNT SEE TEH ALINEZZ AND TEH PREDATURZ". I have the Blu-Ray copy and I see everything just fine. AvP was such an eyesore. Seriously, why the hell wasn't the film just shot in B&W? At least Anderson would've saved some money and maybe put more towards the damn action!
QuoteI'm still not clear on all this "GAH AVP:R WAS TEH BLACKNESS COULDNT SEE TEH ALINEZZ AND TEH PREDATURZ". I have the Blu-Ray copy and I see everything just fine.
Then out of all the fan and critic reviews I've read you're in the minority.
Oh and :D you bought AvP:Poo on Blu-Ray.
;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2009, 12:14:16 AM
I'm still not clear on all this "GAH AVP:R WAS TEH BLACKNESS COULDNT SEE TEH ALINEZZ AND TEH PREDATURZ". I have the Blu-Ray copy and I see everything just fine. AvP was such an eyesore. Seriously, why the hell wasn't the film just shot in B&W? At least Anderson would've saved some money and maybe put more towards the damn action!
Well, I did some digging, and found this classic thread. As I'm sure you can remember, PHANTOM was posting screenies mainly of
Requiem to show how dark it is. But here's a few of AvP he put up too...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 30, 2008, 02:22:42 AM
I'm very pissed off at them right now. I'm tired of having to adjust my f**king TV or PC sceen just to "kind of" see it. Even when I adjust my screen you can still see areas of grey and the colors trying to break out but can't because it's being choked to death by blackness.
At this point I'd rather watch AVP for the simple fact that I can f**king see it and it looks 20x better visually!
I mean, this is how AVP looks like with out having to adjust anything and it doesn't matter what screen your watching it on, it will look just like this on ever single screen.
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I would rather watch AVP instead, not because it's a better film.......but for the simple fact I can f**king see it clearly. I'm so pissed off at the Strauses for making the DVD so f**king dark I could kick them in the face for failing to take the monumental opportunity to fix the god dam color grading, to where it's watchable and every person out there no matter what tv they have can see it clearly and enjoy it.
Aaaaaaand in the black corner...
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 10:08:08 PM
Heres another example just so nobody thinks I'm going crazy. It's worth time and energy for the Strause Brothers to fix because the visual quality is powerfully different, you can say your watching a different movie. This is gonna make you laugh, all of the AVP-R DVD pics are snap shots of me putting the brightness higher and the gamma higher lol. All the IGN clips were taken at normal defults settings that work perfectly with every other DVD I have.
I hope the Strause Brothers are paying attention, because I would just love what they would have to say about this ::)
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^ Amazing isn't it?!
There are far, far, worse examples on that thread, though. These are still good showcases of the colour palette raping.
QuoteSeriously, why the hell wasn't the film just shot in B&W?
Based on the above pics they should've shot AvP:Poo on B&B.
Quote from: SM on Nov 18, 2009, 12:25:01 AM
QuoteI'm still not clear on all this "GAH AVP:R WAS TEH BLACKNESS COULDNT SEE TEH ALINEZZ AND TEH PREDATURZ". I have the Blu-Ray copy and I see everything just fine.
Then out of all the fan and critic reviews I've read you're in the minority.
Oh and :D you bought AvP:Poo on Blu-Ray.
;D
Minority, and proud of it!
PHANTOM's posts regarding the darkness are OTT. He's right, the colour grading isn't as good in the final release, but the picture is still nicer for me to look at in Requiem than it is in AvP.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 17, 2009, 11:47:53 PM
Ya...gotta love the grey, drab, monotone scheme over an acutal colourful palette, albeit a dark one ::)
Well, sure, why not?
You don't need a varied colour palette to have beautiful imagery, or be more visually "rich".
I'd say
Casablanca was more visually "rich" than AvPR, and it's in friggin' black and white. Colour don't factor much into it.
While I take your point, I still think AvP:R is nicer to look at than AvP. Casablanca may be in black and white but everything still stands out on its own. In AvP, everything is either gray or black so subsequently, everyone and everything blends in together making for a very boring and dreary image IMO.
Personally, I think that Plan 9 From Outer Space was visually richer than AvP:Poo. Had better action, acting, and storyline too!
The problem is, DoomRulz, that it's impossible to distinguish colours in the dark. And that's what AvPR essentially is - dark.
And gritty.
And hardcore.
And back to the roots.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2009, 02:11:39 PM
While I take your point, I still think AvP:R is nicer to look at than AvP. Casablanca may be in black and white but everything still stands out on its own. In AvP, everything is either gray or black so subsequently, everyone and everything blends in together making for a very boring and dreary image IMO.
As much as people hated the film, I think DoomRulz has a valid point. I never had a darkness problem in theaters or on DVD. Atleast there's color in this garbage.
I've also got no problem with my DVD. It looks just like the time I watched it in theaters. I watched a DVD rip once and when Wolf turned around in his chair, I was like "Where the hell is his face?". But the DVD on my TV, perfectly fine.
Quote from: Puks on Nov 19, 2009, 12:16:26 AM
The problem is, DoomRulz, that it's impossible to distinguish colours in the dark. And that's what AvPR essentially is - dark.
And the thing is, Puks, is that I
can distinguish colours in the film's darkness. And that's what AvP:R has that AvP doesn't - colour.
We could argue for ages. No point in it.
So you like AvPR more than AvP.. I can live with that.
It still boggles my mind how anyone can like that piece of shit "film" at all. I think that it was the film that I enjoyed the least out of any film. Ever.
Good for you.
To be fair, there are far, far shittier movies than AvPR.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Nov 19, 2009, 02:15:24 AM
It still boggles my mind how anyone can like that piece of shit "film" at all. I think that it was the film that I enjoyed the least out of any film. Ever.
If they want to embarrass themselves, let them.
Even Crom said it was the "Jason Takes Manhattan" of the A/P series.
Quote from: Puks on Nov 19, 2009, 02:29:43 AM
To be fair, there are far, far shittier movies than AvPR.
I dunno... In all honesty,
Requiem is one of, if not
the, only films I've seriously considered switching off midway through.
SRSLY
My God, you people are really something.
You'd think the film murdered your family and took away everything that was close and dear to you.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 19, 2009, 02:53:19 AM
My God, you people are really something.
You'd think the film murdered your family and took away everything that was close and dear to you.
WIN! Seriously, it's a movie. There are much worse films.
Never underestimate fan hatred. :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 19, 2009, 02:53:19 AM
My God, you people are really something.
You'd think the film murdered your family and took away everything that was close and dear to you.
For every Alien that is slain, we shed a tear.
Together. :'(
Quote from: Puks on Nov 19, 2009, 02:56:54 AM
Never underestimate fan hatred. :D
Lol. Right. That's why it's next to impossible to do a good crossover film.
All the filmmakers need is a montage...
QuoteMy God, you people are really something.
You'd think the film murdered your family and took away everything that was close and dear to you.
Those words will come back to haunt you when Transformers 3 comes out.
Why? I'm not a big Transformers buff, I'm just a casual fan.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 19, 2009, 04:05:06 AM
Why? I'm not a big Transformers buff, I'm just a casual fan.
Because it wll be far more terrible than ROTF! ::)
Probably. Unless Bay was serious when he said he wants to make the film darker and develop the characters more.
QuoteWhy? I'm not a big Transformers buff, I'm just a casual fan.
Your intimate knowledge of Grimlock would seem to contradict this...
Haha, only through the show my friend ;) Only ever seen Seasons 1 & 2 on DVD of G1. I've never read the comics.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 19, 2009, 02:53:19 AM
My God, you people are really something.
You'd think the film murdered your family and took away everything that was close and dear to you.
It did.
Eh?
This film killed my family, with the help of a man that had six fingers on one hand.
Okay, joking aside, I've mulled things over a bit, and I've decided I'm being too harsh. No, it wasn't the worst film of all time, or even the worst film that I've ever seen. Its not even close. It's still in the bottom 20% though. And it still is a horrible "film."
QuoteThis film killed my family, with the help of a man that had six fingers on one hand.
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You can't.
:D
That made my day.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2009, 02:11:39 PM
In AvP, everything is either gray or black so subsequently, everyone and everything blends in together making for a very boring and dreary image IMO.
In
Aliens pretty much everything is grey, black or blue; its colour palette is just as limited as AvP's.
Hell, all the original Alien movies had fairly limited colour schemes.
Alien3 was pretty much entirely varying shades of two colours, copper and grey.
But I'll take A3's cinematography over, well, pretty much the cinematography of all the other Alien or Predator movies. And AvPr, despite being largely two colours, at least uses highlights and contrast to create beautiful imagery. The lighting on the Aliens in the tunnels is friggin' gorgeous; yes, it's pretty much all black, but what light exists is used really, really effectively.
AvPR, even if you can see what's going on, still has the look of something drawing a black box over the entire frame and lowering the transparency until they were happy. The contrast and the highlights are just simply not there; they were at one point, but the colour correction, even if you can see through it, has taken its edge off.
AvP may have a more limited colour range, but it's actually dark, bringing out details with effective selective lighting; AvPR is a bright movie made dark by turning down the brightness.
Which is a shame. Pearl is a great cinematographer.
You're looking that much more into it than I am, so I can't really argue with what you said. But, I still prefer AvP:R's picture over AvP's.
middle of the night. no lights on hi def sony 52 inch tv. brightness and sharp turned all the way up and i still can't see s*** when i watch avp:r. i thought i could be my tv. same thing on every tv.
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2009, 05:53:51 AM
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You can't.
This made my day. :D
thank you, thank you.
i'll be here all week.
...
Requiem sucks.
I second that.
FFF'S vs Predator - Fleshy Flipperhanded Fools = AVPR
I re-watched some of AvP:R today when I had lunch; fun times.
You managed to keep your lunch down I take it?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 26, 2009, 12:07:16 AM
I re-watched some of AvP:R today when I had lunch; fun times.
That sucks.
Quote from: SM on Nov 26, 2009, 12:28:54 AM
You managed to keep your lunch down I take it?
I was wondering who'd be the first to say that. Cookies to you!
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*steals cookies before SM can grab them*
GIMME MA COOKIE!!! >:(
*crunch, crunch, crunch*
Too late! ;D
You love your corset cookies don'tcha?
Yessum! Especially the cookie part.
AvP had more of a story line about how the aliens and predators clashed together and fought....it explained alot...AvPR was just bout a predator ship crashed and aliens were infesting the place...not much excitment there.
Welcome to the AvP cause, Bevo! You'll like it on our side... 8)
All the COOL people are on our side. TJ and I are proof of that. 8)
Sweet! well im on your side all the way you can count on that
That's fine. See, it's too HOT for you to handle the AvP:R side 8)
Hot like explosive diarrhea?
Not as cold as ice, anyway.
Well I never got into AvPR as i did with AvP so yea
Ya I think AVP one was much better.
i have a lot of issues with these movies, but i'd say the i'd like the first avp more if the preds did look like guys in padded suites. the original preds looked real moved more natural. the avp preds looked like they were struggling to move, and their wrist blades where way to long. they looked like wrist sword and like they were made out of aluminum. i would have laughed if i wasn't so pissed. so i said avp:r.
i really didn't like either.
In my opinion both suck arse.. If I had to choose one it'd have to be AvP-R (trying not to think of predalien face rape) Only because the I hated the bitch that played Lex in the first AvP... I mean come on! her and Scar ran down a hallway together... FARK!
Quote from: draken161 on Nov 30, 2009, 10:38:51 AM
In my opinion both suck arse.. If I had to choose one it'd have to be AvP-R (trying not to think of predalien face rape) Only because the I hated the bitch that played Lex in the first AvP... I mean come on! her and Scar ran down a hallway together... FARK!
i am so with you. it reminded me of a marvel comic tram up. like spider-man and the hulk. ok for comics. retarded for movie. especially sense this was suppose to be an epic movie duel. the only thing that is worse is THE FORBIDDEN KINGDOM. people talked for years about jakie chan vs jet lee, and that is what we got. fantasy killer. both were very Saturday morning cartoon. have to have some preachy message. like ( lets come together to kill. we're the good guys.) ok. i love the comics. i like avp duel part 1 and 2. but i know you don't make a movie out of them. if you do at least use the better predalien design. it's like the directors read the comics and used all the bad ideas.
Ha! Read. Methinks you give the Strausse Brothers too much credit. You are right about one thing, however. They did use only bad ideas.
Like i said before....AvP had more of a story line behind with why the Aliens & Predators met and fought...AvPR was just some wild turkey shoot going on....not much there
-Blinks-
Is... is...
-Blinks twice-
...is AvPR... ACTUALLY winning?
Tragic, I know. :(
It's ok, one day the world will recognize its mistakes.
I do hope so, because otherwise we're headed for a downward spiral. :-\
-NIN reference
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 11, 2009, 04:22:41 PM
It's ok, one day the world will recognize its mistakes.
But this day is still so far away... :-[
Quote from: Necronomicon IV on Dec 11, 2009, 04:03:44 PM
-Blinks-
Is... is...
-Blinks twice-
...is AvPR... ACTUALLY winning?
That was my initial reaction as well. I also died a little inside; not because I like AvP (I'm far from that, in fact), but because people chose an obviously worse film because it looked "cool".
"Obviously worse" is in the eye of the beholder.
Uuuuuuuugh... :(
And so it begins...
ANYONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THAT AvP:R(ECTUM) IS OBVIOUSLY WORSE IS CERTIFIABLY INSANE! I DON'T CARE IF IT'S IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, ANY BEHOLDING EYE THAT THINKS IT'S BETTER NEEDS TO BE CHECKED!
I really hope this is the spark needed to ignite another fun argument.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 12:54:29 AM
"Obviously worse" is in the eye of the beholder.
And your eyes obviously come equipped with night vision.
Nah. I just watch the movie like anyone else. With the naked eye.
In that case, you somehow have super-vision and horrible vision all at the same time. You would need the former in order to see anything, and you would need the latter to think any of that stuff was good.
Wolf looked pretty good!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 01:19:19 AM
In that case, you somehow have super-vision and horrible vision all at the same time. You would need the former in order to see anything, and you would need the latter to think any of that stuff was good.
Nah. 20/20 here, dude.
It's all in good fun. Or is it?
I hope not.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 01:44:31 AM
It's all in good fun. Or is it?
I do indeed have fun watching the film, yes!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 12, 2009, 01:13:50 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 12:54:29 AM
"Obviously worse" is in the eye of the beholder.
And your eyes obviously come equipped with night vision.
HA! That just made my night.
People into action and blood over plot and rationality will pick AVP:R. Just let it go, it isn't worth fighting over. Remember, they already lost. ;)
Ha! This coming from the guy who loves splatter movies.
I have too much respect for the Alien series to become infatuated with AvP:R just because it has the most blood. I may love gore, but I love cinema more.
Who said anything about being infatuated? AvP:R is a fun movie for me, and I will always choose it over the snore-fest that is AvP. I never watched AvP:R with high expectations, even from day one. I knew it was going to be a bad movie, given where both franchises have gone since Predator 2 and Alien 3. I had high expectations for AvP because it was a new concept but it was a terrible film. AvP:R didn't leave me with much hope, but it kept me entertained and when I left the theatre after seeing it opening day, I had a smile on my face.
And you're still a hypocrite for saying anyone who enjoys action and blood over plot rationality is dumb, because you've made it pretty clear that those films are your favourite type. How do I know? Your FB "interests" bit: horror films, the gore the merrier!
You know what the best thing about being a gore hound is? You understand that effects and the movie itself are not the same thing. AvP:R had some really cool and bloody stuff, but as a whole it still failed to be a good movie. So yes, 'the gore the merrier', but as I said plot and rationality are far more important for a successful horror film. Sadly AvP:R falls horribly short, and isn't even good as a bad bloody movie.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 02:01:54 AM
Ha! This coming from the guy who loves splatter movies.
Let's be entirely fair - that's precisely what
ALIEN and
Predator were.
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 12, 2009, 02:22:48 AM
You know what the best thing about being a gore hound is? You understand that effects and the movie itself are not the same thing. AvP:R had some really cool and bloody stuff, but as a whole it still failed to be a good movie. So yes, 'the gore the merrier', but as I said plot and rationality are far more important for a successful horror film. Sadly AvP:R falls horribly short, and isn't even good as a bad bloody movie.
Fair enough. But the gore was a nice touch for me, especially since Anderson kiddie-fied his movie. Why the hell would he make a movie with Aliens and Predators and
not have gore? Neither franchise has ever been shy about getting nasty.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 12, 2009, 02:23:31 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 02:01:54 AM
Ha! This coming from the guy who loves splatter movies.
Let's be entirely fair - that's precisely what ALIEN and Predator were.
What?
Splatter movies.
No they weren't. What on are you on about?
This. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ)
That's not splatter. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqGiW1Bt0g) is splatter.
Looks like I've been called out. :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 02:40:34 AM
That's not splatter. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqGiW1Bt0g) is splatter.
AMEN! Theres a difference between blood/gore and splatter. Splatter has no depth, something the A/P films have in abundance.
AvP:R might be the closest to a splatter film in the three series, but they did not start that way. Even the first AvP was severely toned down.
Predator 2 and Resurrection were also really gory. Predator 2 especially was gory; almost splatter-like.
Yeah, they are close but they both have too strong of an internal drive to be just another splatter flick. They are the most bloody, but try to rely more on character development and adrenaline.
Quote from: Undeadite on Dec 12, 2009, 03:17:52 AM
Yeah, they are close but they both have too strong of an internal drive to be just another splatter flick. They are the most bloody, but try to rely more on character development and adrenaline.
Key word: try. Neither film has much of it.
Yeah, but the attempt shows. :D
I'm watching AvP again and I'm starting to come around to AvPR being a better film. Anderson had this notion of taking things slow to build character development. That's not what we get. We've got 45 minutes of boring characters doing nothing really. We get no real sense of motivation behind these characters, Lance is severely underplayed and Woods...oh God is she dull. And a terrible actress. Her laugh!
The novelization is tons better. I don't even know if I'm going to make it through to the fight scenes. I might just put AvPR on and try that.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
The novelization is tons better. I don't even know if I'm going to make it through to the fight scenes. I might just put AvPR on and try that.
Do you really think that the novelization of AvP is better than the movie? It's the most boring book I ever read. My faul, I've read it after watching the movie, it's not good way, but... I couldn't finish it. I agree, AvP it's boring movie, but compared with the book it's explosion of action.
One plus - We don't have to watch Lexx. Big relief. ;)
In AvP: R we have such an accumulation of absurdities that it might be funny. If it were not pathetic. :-\
AvP:R is winning the poll?? that's just retarded, just like anyone who would vote for AvP:R!
Quote from: BloodyJungle on Dec 13, 2009, 12:11:07 PM
AvP:R is winning the poll??
Yea, it is.
It's very sad, but it's true. :-\
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
I'm watching AvP again and I'm starting to come around to AvPR being a better film. Anderson had this notion of taking things slow to build character development. That's not what we get. We've got 45 minutes of boring characters doing nothing really. We get no real sense of motivation behind these characters, Lance is severely underplayed and Woods...oh God is she dull. And a terrible actress. Her laugh!
The novelization is tons better. I don't even know if I'm going to make it through to the fight scenes. I might just put AvPR on and try that.
You'd have a point, but AvPR's action sequences manage to be less engaging as a general thing than AvP's character 'development'.
Can't say I agree. I've just watched AvPR for what seems like the first time in ages. The situations maybe cliched but the characters are better with better relationships which each other. There are some nicer shots in AvPR but it does still have it's flaws. The lighting, for one. The Alien designs are poor - overbite and Chet's design is far too busy around the head.
AvPR manages to respect the time length of the lifecyle until the introduction of the Chet-Hugger thing when it just goes to pot. Wolf is easily the star of the show though. I think it's a good movie for the Predator, just not for the Aliens.
I can pick out a lot of dialogue I would have trimmed or changed but that's Salerno for you. Over all I think it's far more enjoyable than AvP but it's still not the AvP film that we want.
And the reason I enjoyed the novelization more is I got a better understanding of the characters.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
Can't say I agree. I've just watched AvPR for what seems like the first time in ages. The situations maybe cliched but the characters are better with better relationships which each other.
The thing about AvP is the characters don't have relationships, because they've just met. Their lack of chemistry sort of works on that level. AvPR doesn't only seemed forced in that regard, but the characters are supposed to have histories with one-another and this only comes across effectively a couple of times in the whole film.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2009, 02:09:51 PMThere are some nicer shots in AvPR but it does still have it's flaws. The lighting, for one. The Alien designs are poor - overbite and Chet's design is far too busy around the head.
The Aliens seem far too... dinosaur. In every other movie, whether you liked or disliked the design, the creatures had a sort of bizarre,
alien quality to them. It's like AvPR took the Alien and removed everything unearthly about it. As for Chet... being busy about the head is one of many offenses. If you ever got to see the bitch in full light, you'd notice that she doesn't really look Alien at all.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2009, 02:09:51 PMAvPR manages to respect the time length of the lifecyle until the introduction of the Chet-Hugger thing when it just goes to pot. Wolf is easily the star of the show though. I think it's a good movie for the Predator, just not for the Aliens.
This was just discussed, I believe. In dumbing down the Aliens, you dumb down everyone who takes them on, Wolf especially. The original
Predator didn't give me the feeling that Anytime could take on a bunch of Aliens and win - it gave me the feeling he would be clever enough to engineer a situation wherein he could take them on in equal terms, or at least survive.
AvPR just gives me the feeling that Wolf should've gotten his ass kicked time and time again.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2009, 02:09:51 PMI can pick out a lot of dialogue I would have trimmed or changed but that's Salerno for you. Over all I think it's far more enjoyable than AvP but it's still not the AvP film that we want.
AvP was severely disappointing due to the lack of action sequences. It was actually really
good when the movie title was actually being played out on-screen - there was actual tension and twists within the two main battle sequences. If AvP had the pure volume of action we wanted and trimmed some of the boring character development (or a lot of it!), it probably would've been exactly what we wanted.
Say what you like, Celtic vs. Grid and Scar vs. Queen kicked
shit out of any battle sequence in the second film.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 13, 2009, 02:23:18 PM
The thing about AvP is the characters don't have relationships, because they've just met. Their lack of chemistry sort of works on that level. AvPR doesn't only seemed forced in that regard, but the characters are supposed to have histories with one-another and this only comes across effectively a couple of times in the whole film.
I know they'd just met which really worked against them. It doesn't work well. In all the Alien films we came into the situation with the characters having pre-established relationships and histories. Sure...Ripley started to become the outsider but that's where she represented the audience.
AvP didn't work for me because none of the characters knew each other. It was all just a mess of confusion. No development, well substantial development. They were boring.
QuoteAvP was severely disappointing due to the lack of action sequences. It was actually really good when the movie title was actually being played out on-screen - there was actual tension and twists within the two main battle sequences. If AvP had the pure volume of action we wanted and trimmed some of the boring character development (or a lot of it!), it probably would've been exactly what we wanted.
Say what you like, Celtic vs. Grid and Scar vs. Queen kicked shit out of any battle sequence in the second film.
I'm not arguing with that. I used to just get bored of the movie after about ten minutes, skip to the Celtic vs Grid, watch that and then turn off. But that single piece 5 minute or so sequence hardly makes the movie better for me - it was the best fight in the film IMHO. Lex helping Scar during the Queen fight wasn't cool.
Scar's air-time spear hit on the Queen makes it all worth it for me.
But yeah, we essentially needed way more of the Celtic vs. Grid battle scene stuff.
I'll give you that. It was a "Cool" moment.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Dec 13, 2009, 03:09:41 PM
Scar's air-time spear hit on the Queen makes it all worth it for me.
See, that scene just made me go WTF. I mean, here's Scar: an over-blown, armoured up Pred that can't outrun a human (which is contrary to what we saw in the original movies), and yet...he pulls that agility out of nowhere and suddenly becomes a ninja!?!?!
Still more impressive than anything combat-wise Requiem offered us.
Not really, considering how damn silly it was.
I honestly don't see the silliness. Scar hadn't had much space to manoeuvre around in whilst down in the pyramid.
Seeing as how there wasn't a ceiling for him to crack his head open on like a douche, his 'ninja stab' was perfectly legit.
And we had seen his ninja abilities before! Remember when he cut that Alien's face off with one flick of his wrist? Without even seeing it?
Yeah.
What does manoeuvering have to do with it? I'm talking about the fact that he was a fat bastard who can barely keep up with a human, yet he's supposed to be the physically superior species.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 13, 2009, 08:40:28 PM
What does manoeuvering have to do with it? I'm talking about the fact that he was a fat bastard who can barely keep up with a human, yet he's supposed to be the physically superior species.
Which human(s) are you thinking of?
Lex. The only one he was with.
I don't think he was trying very hard... In fact I'm sure, if he wanted to, he could activate Ludicrous Speed (tm) and leave her to cough up his dust.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 13, 2009, 07:54:36 PM
See, that scene just made me go WTF. I mean, here's Scar: an over-blown, armoured up Pred that can't outrun a human (which is contrary to what we saw in the original movies), and yet...he pulls that agility out of nowhere and suddenly becomes a ninja!?!?!
Can't really do much of that in a pyramid. Besides, the capacity to pull of stunts like that give him more of a Predator vibe and less of a bulky-dude-with-cool-weapons vibe.
And finally? Damn that moment kicked
ass. I'm okay with Aliens getting their asses kicked in droves if their deaths are that badass as a general thing.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 13, 2009, 08:28:38 PM
Not really, considering how damn silly it was.
Compared to the dumb shit wolf did, I'd say it was ok.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Dec 13, 2009, 09:16:20 PM
I don't think he was trying very hard... In fact I'm sure, if he wanted to, he could activate Ludicrous Speed (tm) and leave her to cough up his dust.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncs-tech.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F09%2Fludicrousspeed.png&hash=4c38afa647ddb56e017949292e74407be5523792)
I could see it now:
"My god! It's Scar! He's gone plaid!" :D
I just thing the characters in AvP (Scar, Grid, the QUEEN) were so much better developed, and had overall better fight scenes.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 14, 2009, 02:15:43 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Dec 13, 2009, 09:16:20 PM
I don't think he was trying very hard... In fact I'm sure, if he wanted to, he could activate Ludicrous Speed (tm) and leave her to cough up his dust.
http://www.ncs-tech.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ludicrousspeed.png
I could see it now:
"My god! It's Scar! He's gone plaid!" :D
Would've been an improvement. It would have given the film some colour.
Not this again... :'(
the preds in avp looked like big guys in padded suites. avp:r the one pred you saw good (wolf) looked much better. but both movies were ... BAD. complaining that either one of these movies is winning the poll is like complaining if douche or turd sandwitch was winning. :D
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 15, 2009, 03:34:20 PM
complaining that either one of these movies is winning the poll is like complaining if douche or turd sandwitch was winning. :D
I'll take douche over turd any day.
ANY. DAY.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Dec 15, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Dec 15, 2009, 03:34:20 PM
complaining that either one of these movies is winning the poll is like complaining if douche or turd sandwitch was winning. :D
I'll take douche over turd any day.
ANY. DAY.
so you're a douche?
If you like. :P
At least douches are clean.
Not really, considering what they're used for.
I was just referencing the South Park episode that that was from. I really have no opinion on the douche vs. turd sandwich debate.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 16, 2009, 01:06:02 AM
Not really, considering what they're used for.
Feminine hygiene.
So, yeah, they're clean.
OH MY GOD i started a douche or turd sandwich debate.
AVPR by far. I thought AVP had an interesting concept but I enjoyed AVPR alot more. The acting was not great in AVPR the acting in the first was slightly better but overall I thought it was an enjoyable movie. I am not a big fan of those movies like I am with the originals but I dont mind them for what they are.
The only problem I had with the first AVP was that it took ages for the Predators to arrive and when they did in a short period of time 2 are killed right away. I wanted to see more of the Predators fighting the Aliens before there was only Scar left. The same could be said with AVPR, but I liked the idea of a sole Predator in that film cause it works if I make sense.
The Prob with AvP was the predator(portrayal) ...and In avp:r, it was the aliens...
characterisation, dialogue were better in avp....and action too esp the end fight...so avp....."SLIGHTLY" since predator was the badass he's supposed to be.. in avp:r
Am I the only one that thinks AvP's storyline is similar to Resident Evil? Both were directed by Paul Anderson. Something large scale happens underground that brings humans underground in AvP its the Pyramid preparing for the Predators in Resident Evil it's the Red Queen going homicidal and killing everyone, closing the hive. Once the humans got down the to the pyramid they inadvertantly released the Queen which started the whole spread of the Aliens, In Resident Evil they kill the power to the Red Queen inadvertantly Releasing the Spread of the T-Virus to them.
What im saying is he's recycling elements from Resident Evil which i've noticed ever since I saw the First AvP which lost points for me when I saw it. BUT I STILL CAN"T GET OVER LEX AND SCAR RUNNING DOWN THE HALLWAY TOGETHER... it would onl be more cheesy if they ahd been holding hands... that and the line "we took the god's guns and now the prisoners are running free, to restore order the gods need their guns"
I'm pretty sure it's the guards guns.
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 20, 2009, 02:44:56 PM
I'm pretty sure it's the guards guns.
Huh, well notcied and thanks for the correction.... Now I can take her seriously-ish.
Both were not what (in my personal opinion only) what a fan would like to see.
AvP was...well it was just an abomination in every possible way.
AvPR was better,but too dark,too much human scenes, too little predator/alien scenes,too dark,and the ending...oh how I hate the ending.
Quote from: draken161 on Dec 20, 2009, 09:01:12 AM
Am I the only one that thinks AvP's storyline is similar to Resident Evil?
yeah, in the way that they both suck.
Quote from: Bender1988 on Dec 21, 2009, 08:37:01 PM
Both were not what (in my personal opinion only) what a fan would like to see.
AvP was...well it was just an abomination in every possible way.
AvPR was better,but too dark,too much human scenes, too little predator/alien scenes,too dark,and the ending...oh how I hate the ending.
I disagree with the creature screen time. If theres anything that Requiem got right, it was that.
Quote from: War Wager on Dec 21, 2009, 09:21:43 PM
Quote from: Bender1988 on Dec 21, 2009, 08:37:01 PM
Both were not what (in my personal opinion only) what a fan would like to see.
AvP was...well it was just an abomination in every possible way.
AvPR was better,but too dark,too much human scenes, too little predator/alien scenes,too dark,and the ending...oh how I hate the ending.
I disagree with the creature screen time. If theres anything that Requiem got right, it was that.
I think the Predator got enough screentime.... I think it was just the boring story with the humans that made the story drag on until you got to the creature bits.
I voted for the first AvP movie. It had many faults, but ultimately came out ahead by an inch (or two). I haven't watched the movies in months... might give them another try just to refresh my memory.
First I'll mention what I think AvPR did wrong:
1. Way too many homages from previous movies (practically trying to "copy" scenes. And I hated that little girl trying to replace Newt as the posterchild of Alien franchise).
2. Bad actors and stale dialogue. Terrible storytelling and plot details. Horrid scene transitions.
3. Graphics that had a "rushed" feeling (ex: the chestbursters)
4. Pitch-black cinematography! I couldn't see what was going in a few of the scenes! Might as well have closed my eyes while those scenes were playing.
5. Alien and Predalien weren't strong/fast enough. The main heroine was (I'm betting the Brothers were trying to introduce a "Ripley" character), was able to swat them with a standard M4 like flies from the air. Huh?
There were a few "cool" scenes that lasted a few seconds, but not enough to redeem this movie. I could start specifically analyzing all the scenes and how or why it doesn't make sense or was poorly done.
And I couldn't believe there was also an unofficial petition to bring the Strauss Brothers on for the third movie. YUCK! Away demons!
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Maybe I'll come back and write about the first one too. Or not.
Quote from: Demonio Cazador on Dec 26, 2007, 05:24:48 PM
Well...
AVP had a better, or should I say more "creative" setting and enviroment, good SFX, terrible creature design and terrible acting and pacing.
AVP:R is more faithful to the original concept of Aliens and Predator, but terrible setting and so-so acting...creature design is greatly improved.
I think AVP is more enjoyable for the concept,
and AVP:R for the actual film...
Both have lots of flaws, and personally I enjoyed AVP:R better...
My thoughts exactly.
Quote from: brennan4 on Dec 27, 2009, 07:49:39 PM
AVP:R is more faithful to the original concept of Aliens
what is this I don't even
Ya, much as I defend and enjoy AvP:R, even I don't understand that ???
Is it the over all idea of an Alien planting its seed into humans? I have no idea.
i think i would have voted for the first avp, but the preds looked so stupid. not like there armor or any aesthetics of them, just the fact that they looked like people wearing pred holloween costumes. foam padded costumes. the ninja turtles move better and more like they wear real. if you watch ANYTIME move and then the preds in avp 1, you see what i mean.
oh and those ridiculously long wristblades were a real turn off too. more like wristswords.
I swear I used that same phrase before.
yeah. i've said it a few time too. when i saw them in the theater i wanted throw my hands up and yell "DONE!!!" like peter griffin. and they looked like they were made out of aluminum.
i voted for avp but i love wolf
Quote from: Puma#20 on Jan 02, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
i voted for avp but i love wolf
High five, @Puma! ;D
Wolf's design, in my opinion, is more interesting than Scar's. The extra additions on the mandibles certainly suggests that there's more variety to them as a species. I have yet to see AvP:R (waiting for the other half to have a day when he doesn't work, grr), but from what clips and trailers I've seen, it looks more, eh, edgier than AvP. AvP I watched without batting an eyelid, much like Predator 1 & 2. Hopefully the second installment will actually scare me.
Wristswords? Wristblades. Both look good to me :P *makes grabby hands*
AvPR isn't edgy - it's intellectually disparaging and tries far too hard.
Quote from: Yautjafemme on Jan 02, 2010, 01:40:28 PM
Wolf's design, in my opinion, is more interesting than Scar's. The extra additions on the mandibles certainly suggests that there's more variety to them as a species. I have yet to see AvP:R (waiting for the other half to have a day when he doesn't work, grr), but from what clips and trailers I've seen, it looks more, eh, edgier than AvP. AvP I watched without batting an eyelid, much like Predator 1 & 2. Hopefully the second installment will actually scare me.
Wristswords? Wristblades. Both look good to me :P *makes grabby hands*
i agree i also like how thay made wolf differ from the others with the mandables and what not
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jan 02, 2010, 01:45:01 PM
AvPR isn't edgy - it's intellectually disparaging and tries far too hard.
Mm, I'll probably still watch the film anyway. Might as well be able to say I've seen it, plus I'm interested in seeing the Predalien.
By all means watch it. And if you enjoy it, more power to you.
But don't go in with high expectations. Don't even expect to truly see the Predalien. You'll understand what that means when you watch the movie.
Quote from: Yautjafemme on Jan 02, 2010, 01:40:28 PM
Wolf's design, in my opinion, is more interesting than Scar's. The extra additions on the mandibles certainly suggests that there's more variety to them as a species. I have yet to see AvP:R (waiting for the other half to have a day when he doesn't work, grr), but from what clips and trailers I've seen, it looks more, eh, edgier than AvP. AvP I watched without batting an eyelid, much like Predator 1 & 2. Hopefully the second installment will actually scare me.
Wristswords? Wristblades. Both look good to me :P *makes grabby hands*
Do I correctly understand that you never watched AvP:R? Lucky you. Dissapointment it's not good word. But tastes are different, you might like this one.
Wolf's design is good, very close to Winston's ideas. Problem is with all action. History is just stupid.
But - as you can see the poll, AvP:R is still winning. There are persons who like it much more than AvP. I wish you - enjoy this movie.
IMO the best part it's trailer. ;)
The movie is certainly stuffed with Predator action. And if that's what you're interested in I don't think you'll be disappointed.
AVP.
Why...bascially just because of the final Predator vs Queen scene (is it true that that Queen was Cameron's vision for Aliens...I remember Paul WS Anderson saying something to that effect...but I can't believe what he says). That scene was awesome! That and I couldn't see 90% of AVP:R.
Quoteis it true that that Queen was Cameron's vision for Aliens...
Meaning? That he designed it? Pretty much.
I know Cameron designed it. However, I think Anderson was talking more about the height and size of the Queen.
I don't recall ever reading anything from Cameron saying he wanted to make the Queen bigger. If he wanted the Queen bigger I'm sure he would've made it bigger. I'm guessing he wanted it to be around the same scale as the loader.
Guess Anderson was lying again.
Surprise, surprise.
Can't BELIEVE IT. It's 40 votes MORE than the analogue tread in the Alien movies forum...
AND - Requiem is wining...:o
LOL.
Generally, I think the worst part in the both movies is including human characters at all. Than, it's the Predalien impregnation method. :-X
The fight scenes (Alien v. Predator) - awesome. Especially in AvP.
There were fight scenes in AvP?
I vaguely recall one. I blinked and missed most of it, then waited for a better fight to top it, that never materialised.
Pretty long blink considering it goes a solid three minutes.
Don't make me facepalm you, junior!
Undermine my petty sarcasm will ya...
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 06:24:20 AM
Pretty long blink considering it goes a solid three minutes.
Well maybe, he was resting his eyes!
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2010, 06:39:27 AM
Don't make me facepalm you, junior!
Undermine my petty sarcasm will ya...
It was the one good scene and the only decent AvP fight committed to film!
Decent? What was decent about two guys in rubber suits, standing opposite one another whilst swinging their arms randomly?
Well, better than haphazardly drawing Aliens and Predators over a Power Rangers fight scene as per the second installment.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 08, 2010, 07:15:29 AM
Decent? What was decent about two guys in rubber suits, standing opposite one another whilst swinging their arms randomly?
If that had actually been the (whole) fight, you might have a point.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jan 08, 2010, 07:23:24 AM
Well, better than haphazardly drawing Aliens and Predators over a Power Rangers fight scene as per the second installment.
Lol, what?
Not sarcasm...just not sure what you're alluding to.
I just thought that, while we're blowing the faults of these movies out of proportion, I'd go the full monty.
At least in Power Rangers the grey dudes at least SOMETIMES hit the Power Ranges. Sometimes.
They were called putties.
And they were true ballers.
To be honest, the guys in the rubber suits did great work! ;D
Best sequence in the AvP movies! Ever! ;D
Nothing beats scene in which a Predator beats the living cr*p out of alien like it's a training dummy! 8)
This is why people don't like Predator fans.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 10:32:24 AM
This is why people don't like Predator fans.
This is why Alien fans don't like Predator fans and AvP ideas.
Xenos treatment as sacks of training, a living part of the dojo. Object rather than subject. Thoughtlessness. Lack of reflection.
IMHO.
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 08, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 10:32:24 AM
This is why people don't like Predator fans.
This is why Alien fans don't like Predator fans and AvP ideas.
Xenos treatment as sacks of training, a living part of the dojo. Object rather than subject. Thoughtlessness. Lack of reflection.
IMHO.
am i an expection? Still alien over predator i am, although i like both. :D
although the story needed help on avpr i did like it more because of the action, but it needed a better story thats for sure and better acting in some parts. I guess i'm just an action guy.
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 08, 2010, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: keylight-di on Jan 08, 2010, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 10:32:24 AM
This is why people don't like Predator fans.
This is why Alien fans don't like Predator fans and AvP ideas.
Xenos treatment as sacks of training, a living part of the dojo. Object rather than subject. Thoughtlessness. Lack of reflection.
IMHO.
am i an expection? Still alien over predator i am, although i like both. :D
Me also... (with a tendency Predator, a bit stronger attraction for me ;)). I love them both and it's very difficult to understanding for some...
Because they are perfect complement for each other, and they are fascinating in this same way.
But yes, we are exception.
Unique... ;D
Quote from: The Dude5000 on Jan 08, 2010, 11:20:09 AM
although the story needed help on avpr i did like it more because of the action, but it needed a better story thats for sure and better acting in some parts. I guess i'm just an action guy.
Story in AvP is far from perfection... But IMHO is much, much better than unlogical, gore, teenegers AvP:R.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 08, 2010, 10:32:24 AM
This is why people don't like Predator fans.
Well I can't see why it should taken as offense. I mean, if a Predator mops the floor with an Alien, and someone likes it, why should you get pissed off...
It does goof the idea of the almost-everything proof and invincible alien, but that's ever since Aliens...
Guess you'd hate Herk Mondo stories either (which I like even more!)... ;D
I love the Herk Mondo comics.
But they're comics.
What I hate is Pred fanboys' "Preds should wipe the floor with Aliens" mentality.
It's not necessary to happen, just love it when it does! ;D
Everybody likes what he likes. :)
There's enough stories out there that rape the Alien canon hard enough to Predators superior combatants to Aliens.
It's not only a trivialisation of the creature itself, but of the Alien movies that we get emotionally invested in. Every time a Predator mops the floor with a dozen Aliens, I feel a pang of regret that some half-assed comic book writer is inadvertently invalidating Ripley's struggles.
Quote from: Jorko_Beliata on Jan 08, 2010, 11:35:56 AM
It does goof the idea of the almost-everything proof and invincible alien, but that's ever since Aliens...
Not really...
Especially since Alien 3 made it clear that it took specifically armour-piercing weapons to significantly damage Aliens.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jan 08, 2010, 12:37:31 PM
Especially since Alien 3 made it clear that it took specifically armour-piercing weapons to significantly damage Aliens.
And
Aliens showed that even the armor piercing explosive tipped rounds of the pulse rifle weren't 100% effective on the alien, even at close range.
QuoteEvery time a Predator mops the floor with a dozen Aliens
Well, it's only Wolf, who has two xenomorphs by the throat at the same time. I like the situation above but don't really believe a Predator is superior compared to alien by default, they both have strengths and weaknesses. That I sympathize the Pred is another story. ;D
QuoteEspecially since Alien 3 made it clear that it took specifically armour-piercing weapons to significantly damage Aliens.
Think there was even a tread about Vasquez shooting with pistol against alien above her in the duct, and not being damaged by acid. If she hasn't miss, than the bullets should have bounced off the alien.
Why Alien 3?
QuoteAnd Aliens showed that even the armor piercing explosive tipped rounds of the pulse rifle weren't 100% effective on the alien, even at close range.
Uuuh, you mean the grenades, or the rounds?... :o In both cases think it's a bit exaggerated - it's just that the aliens take more punishment by the pulse rifle compared to, say smartgun.
There's the comics to consider when it comes to downgrading the Alien, too. A lot of them are even less generous than AvPR.
Vasquez's bullets eventually damaged the Alien. The force of the gun probably causes the acid to trail away from the barrel.
Alien 3 because it was a powerful testament to the Alien's resilience after a number of comic books that downplayed it.
At the very least, the Aliens spend a fair amount of time avoiding gunfire of all sorts, going as far as finding routes not mentioned in any floor plan and actively taking cover (which implies that a lot of pulse rifle rounds were spent on supressive fire).
Aw hell, I'm gonna say it: Cameron's version of the Alien created the screaming space bug ideal, hence why some people seem to think it's a mere insect that can be walked all over.
I guarantee you, had Aliens not been made, this debate over an Alien's resilience wouldn't be an issue.
Quote from: Jorko_Beliata on Jan 08, 2010, 01:46:34 PM
Uuuh, you mean the grenades, or the rounds?... :o In both cases think it's a bit exaggerated - it's just that the aliens take more punishment by the pulse rifle compared to, say smartgun.
The pulse rifle round itself. It can be seen bouncing off some aliens in the op center raid.
It's a little hard to see if you don't know what you're looking for, with the quick camera movements and all.
I don't think I really noticed 'till I saw someone else point it out.
Yeah, me either. I always figured the marines had horrible aim till someone told me otherwise lol.
ah those bugs are just tricky too hit. fricken bulletime alien monsters doing matrixs dodges and using cover grrr.
Yyyyep. Can see lots of sparkles, when someone of the marines is shooting alien, exactly as it bounces off armored plating. Guess when it pierces when hits off the exoskeleton only.
If you ask me, both movies had a bad script and the acting was just ridiculous (except Lance Henriksen of course). Both stories are dumb (avp... predators who teach humans and use pyramids etc., COME ON!) in my opinion (I don't want to offense anyone, I can't stand the idea). The visuals are okay in both films I think. And the aliens do not look formidable or scary like in the original movies.
However I don't like any of these movies, I'll vote for Avp:r. Just because the predator looks normal, the vision mode is okay, and the fight scenes are not so past endurance like in avp (okay, Scar's jump attack against the queen was...cool). But just because of this, nothing else.
Its like choosing between poop and crap.. went with 2 because of the violence
QuoteIts like choosing between poop and crap
Simple but undeniable truth ;D
Wow, I remember when AVPR had twice the amount of votes AvP did in this poll.
Logic and reason are finally coming to this thread. ;)
Meh, it's still ahead.
Do 283 people really prefer AvPR? By what criteria? Least intrusive background imagery while sticking crack rocks up one's nose? Jesus Christ.
Hohohoho
No, that's Santa Christ who does that.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Jan 20, 2010, 04:06:06 AM
Do 283 people really prefer AvPR? By what criteria? Least intrusive background imagery while sticking crack rocks up one's nose? Jesus Christ.
The wolf and the violence is my reasoning.
Or maybe you know, they were entertained more so than they were with AvP.
Don't be stupid. That can't be it!
ummmm... i really just go with AvP. i mean it has a better story than AvP-R
better story? If I think about it, avp has no story at all. Nor has AVP-R I agree.
Of course AvP has a story. 'Predators attract humans to Bouvetoya to be hosts for Aliens for their manhood ritual of hunting Aliens'.
And it has stronger performances.
And a more unique and interesting setting.
And a decent(ish) range of (mostly) developed characters.
Not saying much.
Agreed.
Eh?
QuoteOf course AvP has a story. 'Predators attract humans to Bouvetoya to be hosts for Aliens for their manhood ritual of hunting Aliens'.
Yupp, but everything other is just a modification of an idea that's not (and for a long time possibly can't be) proved. Like puzzle. 'In this case avpr's story is 'an alien spaceship falls from the sky, then monsters start harvesting the town's population. Then a comrade of the fallen ship's passengers arrives to clean up the mess, while the survivors of the townsfolk get between the crossfire.' I mean both of these are just ridiculeous, and comparsion is pointless. It's just how I see it of course, no offense.
Stronger performance stands for one person and one person only. You know who he is.
Unique and interesting setting. Agreed (though the background of it is just... no polite words). Still it has nothing to do with the story IMO.
QuoteAnd a decent(ish) range of (mostly) developed characters.
I don't see why, could you explain
QuoteYupp, but everything other is just a modification of an idea that's not (and for a long time possibly can't be) proved.
???
Either way - point still stands. Both AvP and AvP:Poo do have stories. Their quality is a matter of opinion.
Quote from: SM on Jan 21, 2010, 01:24:12 AM
Not saying much.
Bah.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jan 21, 2010, 01:26:30 AM
QuoteAnd a decent(ish) range of (mostly) developed characters.
I don't see why, could you explain
Well alright, but they're certainly a more varied bunch compared to
Requiem's flesh bags.
QuoteEither way - point still stands. Both AvP and AvP:Poo do have stories. Their quality is a matter of opinion.
Ok, that's right. I correct my former statement.
Though avp and avpr have story as well, both of them are just so poor in quality, that comparsion for me seem pointless.
So, like this.
Sorry then.
QuoteWell alright, but they're certainly a more varied bunch compared to Requiem's flesh bags.
That's just right, and at least Anderson was trying to make them act like real people. But in quality it doesn't make a difference.
I wish there was a choice for they both suck. I can't stand either of them. I used to enjoy AvP R on a fun B level, but it's crap just like the first one. Crap is crap no matter how you cut it.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jan 21, 2010, 01:32:17 AM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jan 21, 2010, 01:26:30 AM
QuoteAnd a decent(ish) range of (mostly) developed characters.
I don't see why, could you explain
Well alright, but they're certainly a more varied bunch compared to Requiem's flesh bags.
Yeah, I could actually tell the different characters apart in AvP.
I remember names and looks from both movies. But like this they could have been I don't know, bags with names. They were all insignificant (respect to some exceptions)
I'll give the first one the edge.
It has lance henriksen, who is the only character I can really remember from either film.
hard to say, they're both bad, but they were entertaining nonetheless.
Even though they are not good movies, i prefer AVP.
Alien Vs. Predator tried to use both creatures in a unique plot and not just "a casual meeting" and, at least for me, suceeded in its intent. Linking Alien and Predator via a semi-legendary story is really intriguing. The film was not a let down. It can't even reach the Alien Franchise, which is the creme of the creme, but is a really good movie nonetheless. Lots of action, references, and Aliens here are just outstanding (The soon-to-be "Gridalien" impaling the Predator is just epic!), not counting the queen.
So, I was quite satisfied after seeing it.
On the other way, Alien Vs. Predator: Requiem lacks all what made AvP a good movie. The story is somewhat reminescent of a typical Slasher film (Friday the 13th & Friends...), only with the 2 iconic monsters. Really bad photography. It's dark and you can't see very well most of the film. Some Dark movies still result to be clearer than this one (I.E. The Cave) because of better inquadratures. The suits here aren't even exciting, the Wolf Predator looks a bit like a Octopus, and the Aliens barely try to evocate the ones from Aliens with their look. Add some irrelevant characters whose nobody cares about (and corrispective expressionless actors), another thing about Slasher Films, and the mayority of the scenes put here just for the sake of Gore and gratis blood. The Boy chestbursted and the infamous Hospital Scene shown onscreen were really, really, really unnecessary.
Add the most corny ending ever imagined, and there, you have Alien Vs. Predator: Requiem, a completely meaningless movie that lacks continuity too.
And someone needs to explain me where is the Requiem claimed in the title! ???
The requiem word here signs the forthcoming mourning you will feel after you have watched this 'thing' called an avp movie.
@OmegaZilla! Great review. I couldn't tell it in better way. :D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PM
Alien Vs. Predator tried to use both creatures in a unique plot and not just "a casual meeting" and, at least for me, suceeded in its intent. Linking Alien and Predator via a semi-legendary story is really intriguing. The film was not a let down.
Yes it was. It lacked action, had a weak cast, a weak script, had a monotous colour scheme, really bad direction, and over-used references to old characters and films (I'll explain more later)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMLots of action,
Lots of action? What action? You mean the wrestling match between Grid and Celtic and the race between the Queen, Lex, and Scar? I was still having trouble staying awake.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMreferences
Which were dumb to begin with because they weren't needed and they weren't even subtle either.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMand Aliens here are just outstanding (The soon-to-be "Gridalien" impaling the Predator is just epic!)
That was such a stupid scene. Since when do Aliens have 20 foot long tails? Not to mention, the physics after it happens don't even work because there's no way Grid could extend his tail out that far, then make it twist back on itself when he brings Gill up to his face.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMThe suits here aren't even exciting, the Wolf Predator looks a bit like a Octopus
Predators have tentacles? When did this happen?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMThe Boy chestbursted and the infamous Hospital Scene shown onscreen were really, really, really unnecessary.
I didn't mind those scenes. It showed that the Brothers were willing to push the boundaries of who dies in a movie and they succeeded, at least in principle. The scenes themselves should've been better executed.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMAdd the most corny ending ever imagined, and there, you have Alien Vs. Predator: Requiem, a completely meaningless movie that lacks continuity too.
And AvP was in sync with everything else?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMAnd someone needs to explain me where is the Requiem claimed in the title! ???
Requiem means mass death. In case you missed all the people who died in the film.
A ha!
*rubs hands together*
And here... we... go!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Yes it was. It lacked action, had a weak cast, a weak script, had a monotous colour scheme, really bad direction
Describes
perfectly its sequel! ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Lots of action? What action? You mean the wrestling match between Grid and Celtic and the race between the Queen, Lex, and Scar? I was still having trouble staying awake.
Um... yes? Those scenes alone make up for all! Also, some other scenes were pretty sweet, like when the Predator jumps and cloaks itself at the same time, or the Queen freeing herself with the help of her cute babies :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Which were dumb to begin with because they weren't needed and they weren't even subtle either.
Well, it's a movie with Alien and Predator. I think that homages are sweet in there. Not in case, the sequel also mantains this detail, which I like. :)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
That was such a stupid scene. Since when do Aliens have 20 foot long tails? Not to mention, the physics after it happens don't even work because there's no way Grid could extend his tail out that far, then make it twist back on itself when he brings Gill up to his face.
Meh, didn't really care for the extending tail. It's beyond the concept of amazing. Then again, how about extending inter-vertebrae discs? Just speculating :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Predators have tentacles? When did this happen?
When he reveals his face at the end, and roars... the mandibles and the membrane linking them makes Wolf look more like a Octopus spreading its tentacles than a Insect-ish monster...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
I didn't mind those scenes. It showed that the Brothers were willing to push the boundaries of who dies in a movie and they succeeded, at least in principle. The scenes themselves should've been better executed.
Those scenes are disgusting in the literal meaning of the term. I'm not contrary to killing kids in movies, it happens in
Aliens and
Alien 3, just not onscreen. It's not fun to see something like that, is it? Same for pregnant women.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 03:28:05 PMAdd the most corny ending ever imagined, and there, you have Alien Vs. Predator: Requiem, a completely meaningless movie that lacks continuity too.
And AvP was in sync with everything else?
AvPR shows so many inaccuracies, for example, couldn't they reuse the Chestbuster from AvP and not change its design?
Now, I didn't notice anything wrong with the first AvP, neither inaccuracies or contrasts with other movies' canon, apart from the obvious difference between the creature design.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Requiem means mass death. In case you missed all the people who died in the film.
Means that too? Didn't know.
They could have used something better, however.
-
As far as I can see, you have a nearly opposite opinion to mine ;D, but we all ahve different opinions, haven't we?
Ps. In a Off Topic, is that in your avatar Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes? I saw some stripes with a similar character..
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 05:03:24 PM
Those scenes are disgusting in the literal meaning of the term. I'm not contrary to killing kids in movies, it happens in Aliens and Alien 3, just not onscreen. It's not fun to see something like that, is it? Same for pregnant women.
It's just a movie. Who said kids and pregnant women can't die?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 05:03:24 PMPs. In a Off Topic, is that in your avatar Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes? I saw some stripes with a similar character..
Yup, that's him ;D
Well Alien vs Predator Rape wouldn't have got through the censors.
I'm not contrary to it, I'm just contrary to show it... ;)
Hobbes? High five then! ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 21, 2010, 05:21:35 PM
I'm not contrary to it, I'm just contrary to show it... ;)
Why? They're just people. Where does this notion exist that they are sacred and can't be harmed? They're human too.
They're human yes, but I suffer less seeing a man be killed than a Pregnant Woman. I mean, I don't like excessive gory movies, and disgusting images in them. To me, showing something like that onscreen is just literally the apex of disgusting, and fundamentarily unnecessary.
I like Horror films, but Horror films that take away what Horror really is and replace it with free gore are ridicolous.
With respect, that sounds silly. In a slasher film, no one is off-limits. Everyone is fair game to die. That's why Quentin Tarantino will make a movie, say it's good, and have nothing in it but blood, guts, and gore as far as the eye can see through a film lense and yet the people dying in the film is everyone under the freaking sun.
I respect what Colin and Greg did because like I said, they pushed a boundary with those scenes. They were willing to take a risk and they shocked people, like yourself which tells me they succeeded in what they wanted to do.
I happen to think that Alien and Predator aren't slasher films. Are they?
And no, I'm not really shocked. I'm just disgusted of those directors just because they think that a scene like those should be put in a movie.
Repeating himself, everyone has different opinions, so I can't really change mine.
They're not, but it's certainly what Requiem felt like, because there wasn't much structure to it and there was a ton of gore in it. To me, that's a slasher film. The only thing seperating Requiem from other slashers are the titular monsters within.
And no one said the directors felt the scenes should have been put in. They just wanted to.
I certainly am not one that enjoys slasher films like this or Friday the 13th, no plot and lots of guts. Bingo!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 21, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
Requiem means mass death. In case you missed all the people who died in the film.
Ummm...no.
Requiem is a song for the dead. Quite a fitting title.
Meh, close enough :P
I must tell that they are both :)
It's a genre and a spiritual ritual as I know. Anyway it's a real match for the movie.
Except for that AvPR has nothing spiritual. :D
I liked avp-r better ;D
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 21, 2010, 02:45:43 AM
I wish there was a choice for they both suck. I can't stand either of them. I used to enjoy AvP R on a fun B level, but it's crap just like the first one. Crap is crap no matter how you cut it.
i recon you sold out to this forum myself ;)
Quote from: shakermakerman on Jan 22, 2010, 12:21:48 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 21, 2010, 02:45:43 AM
I wish there was a choice for they both suck. I can't stand either of them. I used to enjoy AvP R on a fun B level, but it's crap just like the first one. Crap is crap no matter how you cut it.
i recon you sold out to this forum myself ;)
What? Did you mean "like" myself! Yeah I guess so. ;)
It was never great but I thought it was better than AvP at a given time. But like I said both are steaming turd piles.
QuoteWith respect, that sounds silly. In a slasher film, no one is off-limits.
But by the same token, would you like to see a monster pick up an infant and crush it's head while it struggles and screams and it's brains and yet to be formed skull ooze through the monsters fingers?
It may be that no-one is off limits. Doesn't mean it has to be shown on screen.
I wouldn't care. Like I said, it's just a movie.
And movies need to make money. If you cross a line it's going to turn people off and not want to watch your movie.
Unless it's good enough to be a cult favorite. Too bad that isnt the case here.
A cult favourite with a teeny budget. Cult flicks don't often make much - if any - money.
Quote from: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 03:40:18 AM
But by the same token, would you like to see a monster pick up an infant and crush it's head while it struggles and screams and it's brains and yet to be formed skull ooze through the monsters fingers?
Depends on how it's done, and to what purpose.
I find the pregnant ladies exploding in AvPR offensive because it's done in such a f**king half-assed tacky way solely for the purpose of being "hardcore".
Quote from: SiL on Jan 22, 2010, 04:40:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 03:40:18 AM
But by the same token, would you like to see a monster pick up an infant and crush it's head while it struggles and screams and it's brains and yet to be formed skull ooze through the monsters fingers?
Depends on how it's done, and to what purpose.
I find the pregnant ladies exploding in AvPR offensive because it's done in such a f**king half-assed tacky way solely for the purpose of being "hardcore".
Agreed. There's no artistic statement, irony, metaphor, etc to make it anything more than a poorly executed gore shot.
Quote from: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 04:38:14 AM
A cult favourite with a teeny budget. Cult flicks don't often make much - if any - money.
True, at least not until there have been several worthwhile DVD releases over a period of time.
QuoteDepends on how it's done, and to what purpose.
I can't imagine any way it could be done on screen in full view without being tacky and offensive. No matter the context.
QuoteTrue, at least not until there have been several worthwhile DVD releases over a period of time.
Even then I just looked up Blade Runner which has had 3 official theatrical runs in the US with different versions and it still only made $33mill against a $27mill budget. No DVD data, but it's hardly going to add immensely to that total.
3 official runs? Were any of them limited release? But you're right, just trying to look at it from every angle. I would still like to see the Bladerunner DVD sales, seeing all the versions and special editions that have come out over the years. That last huge Ultimate Collectors Edition alone could have some pretty impressive dollar amounts attached to it.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 22, 2010, 04:40:17 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 03:40:18 AM
But by the same token, would you like to see a monster pick up an infant and crush it's head while it struggles and screams and it's brains and yet to be formed skull ooze through the monsters fingers?
Depends on how it's done, and to what purpose.
I find the pregnant ladies exploding in AvPR offensive because it's done in such a f**king half-assed tacky way solely for the purpose of being "hardcore".
That's fair. But I'll be honest, I got pretty giddy at first coz it was so damn unique.
Quote from: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 04:48:44 AM
I can't imagine any way it could be done on screen in full view without being tacky and offensive. No matter the context.
I could see it working in something like
Cannibal Holocaust, to really hammer the last "Why the f**k are you watching this what's wrong with you" nail in the coffin.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 22, 2010, 05:09:30 AM
That's fair. But I'll be honest, I got pretty giddy at first coz it was so damn unique.
Depends on the size of your reference, I guess :P
Quote from: SiL on Jan 22, 2010, 05:12:23 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 04:48:44 AM
I can't imagine any way it could be done on screen in full view without being tacky and offensive. No matter the context.
I could see it working in something like Cannibal Holocaust, to really hammer the last "Why the f**k are you watching this what's wrong with you" nail in the coffin.
Ugh, that film was so f**king out there. I mean, that film was just WTF. Everything in that film by and large, was done purely for shock value. The director did already admit to that.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 22, 2010, 05:12:23 AM
Depends on the size of your reference, I guess :P
Size of reference?
At least a deeper meaning can be found in Cannibal Holocaust (whether or not it was the intention of the filmmaker).
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 22, 2010, 05:14:00 AM
Ugh, that film was so f**king out there. I mean, that film was just WTF. Everything in that film by and large, was done purely for shock value. The director did already admit to that.
A failed attempt to make us question our love of violence in the news.
QuoteSize of reference?
Unique would imply it hasn't (really) been done before, but pregnant ladies have been killed in movies and tv series well before AvPR. And in better ways.
QuoteWere any of them limited release?
The Final Cut I think. Don't think it got a run down here, but the original and DC both did.
QuoteI could see it working in something like Cannibal Holocaust, to really hammer the last "Why the f**k are you watching this what's wrong with you" nail in the coffin.
Isn't that purely exploitation though?
EDIT - Nevermind. Mind you "A failed attempt to make us question our love of violence in the news" sounds like little more than an excuse rather than a theme.
(http://cannibal%20holocaust)
I regret watching that flick to this very day.
Quote from: SM on Jan 22, 2010, 05:18:03 AM
Mind you "A failed attempt to make us question our love of violence in the news" sounds like little more than an excuse rather than a theme.
I think it was good intentions done horribly, horribly wrong more than anything. Deodato was absolutely adament that's what they were aiming for, but fully realises they could've done it better, and a lot of critics use that statement
against the filmmakers for what they wound up doing.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 22, 2010, 05:16:20 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 22, 2010, 05:14:00 AM
Ugh, that film was so f**king out there. I mean, that film was just WTF. Everything in that film by and large, was done purely for shock value. The director did already admit to that.
A failed attempt to make us question our love of violence in the news.
But it did it have to be so graphic and wild? Tool wrote a great song called Vicarious which describes exactly that, yet it was still tasteful.
Avp:
- 1 alien taking out 2 preds :o thats bull
- poor execution
- pg-13 rating
Now lets get to AVP:R
- worse execution
- newbie directors, no experience, no vision
- poor sfx
- No Score, ripped from other Alien/Predator movies
- Sounds ripped
- Scenes ripped from other Alien/Predator movies
- nobody actors
- horrible acting
- horrible setting
- overuse of gore to the point where you see it every 5 seconds and it gets repetitive
- military brought into story only because a few people die
- tries to be scary, fails
- fails as action movie
- fails as sci/fi movie
- only a few scenes worth seeing
Even with that i still like AVPR more caus im a Pred fan ;D
Quote1 alien taking out 2 preds thats bull
Captain, I am detecting large quantities of predator fanboyism in this sector.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 24, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
Quote1 alien taking out 2 preds thats bull
Captain, I am detecting large quantities of predator fanboyism in this sector.
Or just common sense...
No, common sense would dictate that an Alien is better than the average Predator in hand-to-hand combat.
Exactly. And let's not forget those preds were unbl00ded n00bs.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 24, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
Quote1 alien taking out 2 preds thats bull
Captain, I am detecting large quantities of predator fanboyism in this sector.
I'm detecting Alien fanboyism.
Just looking at the movies, it makes sense, don't you think?
What makes sense?
*looks around nervously, leans in*
Nothing. Nothing about these movies makes sense!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 24, 2010, 06:54:30 PM
Nothing. Nothing about these movies makes sense!
I knew it!!!!
But anyway you are talking about the ''Alien is better than the average Predator in hand-to-hand combat.'' right?
Quote from: Rebel-Blood on Jan 24, 2010, 05:56:30 PM
- 1 alien taking out 2 preds :o thats bull
If it was one AvPR Alien, its tail harpoon would have broke like a cookie when trying to impale Gill, and it would have gone screaming.
AvP Aliens are just so badass because Paul WS Anderson liked the original saga.
QuoteNothing. Nothing about these movies makes sense!
Haha, so true!
Quote- 1 alien taking out 2 preds :o thats bull
Though an alien would kill an unblooded predator in hand to hand combat, and then another one, but I think it was a poor idea to do it so, it made it look like the two preds died in a row.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 24, 2010, 07:04:38 PM
If it was one AvPR Alien, its tail harpoon would have broke like a cookie when trying to impale Gill, and it would have gone screaming.
AvP Aliens are just so badass because Paul WS Anderson liked the original saga.
If it was one of original aliens their tail wouldn't have extended to 3 meters just to kill Gill.
AVP aliens are so baddass because Anderson is alien fanboy.
High five Anderson!!! ;D
QuoteI'm detecting Alien fanboyism.
And one predator pwning dozens of retarded xenomorphs is fair? I am obviously referring to AvPR.
It's funny to think that the movies should be respectively named Alien kicks Predator ass and Predator kicks Alien ass :D :D
The Impalements of the first movie are just epic. And no, I don't care for Gridalien's extending tail (altough I don't see it extending that much).
Quote from: Puks on Jan 24, 2010, 07:42:52 PM
And one predator pwning dozens of retarded xenomorphs is fair? I am obviously referring to AvPR.
None of the avp movies were fair
Nothing is fair. Alien Kills Predator? Unfair. Predator Kills Alien? Unfair. Human Killing Both? Unfair. It's always unfair. Depends on your point of view.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 24, 2010, 08:03:10 PM
Nothing is fair. Alien Kills Predator? Unfair. Predator Kills Alien? Unfair. Human Killing Both? Unfair. It's always unfair. Depends on your point of view.
Grid using 3 meter magic tail to kill Gill = not fair(stupid)
Wolf holding 2 aliens by neck = not fair(stupid)
Predalien killing preds by suprise = fair
Scar/Wolf killing aliens with plasma caster = fair
Can you see the difference?
It's not so much 'fairness' that's the problem, it's wether they're in-character or not.
QuoteIt's always unfair. Depends on your point of view.
Yes. It depends on whether one's point of view is reasonable or that of an idiot fanboy.
See above two posts. If each of the titular characters puts up a decent fight, but dies. Can't really argue.
Quote from: The Demon on Jan 24, 2010, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Puks on Jan 24, 2010, 06:35:29 PM
Quote1 alien taking out 2 preds thats bull
Captain, I am detecting large quantities of predator fanboyism in this sector.
I'm detecting Alien fanboyism.
Predator taking out two aliens at the same time = Okay.
Alien killing two preds at different times (one predator distracted and killed before it knew the alien was there, and the other predator barely defeated after a prolonged fight) = not okay.
And we're the fanboys?
Predator fans live in an illusion of superiority.
omfg a mindless bug killing two super sexy pussy-faced warrior gods that shit ain't khewl!!!!11
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 25, 2010, 02:15:10 AM
Predator taking out two aliens at the same time = Okay.
Alien killing two preds at different times (one predator distracted and killed before it knew the alien was there, and the other predator barely defeated after a prolonged fight) = not okay.
And we're the fanboys?
Gill was killed because of the Grid's 3 meter tail and Celtic could have used his spear, shuriken, dagger, netgun in any moment of the fight to kill Grid but he decided to fight like some crazy berseker.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 02:23:51 AM
Predator fans live in an illusion of superiority.
omfg a mindless bug killing two super sexy pussy-faced warrior gods that shit ain't khewl!!!!11
As long the preds' deatchs are logic I'm ok with it, Im pretty sure that most of the predator fans didn't have any problem with the alien queen killing Scar and the predalien killing the preds on the ship.
QuoteGill was killed because of the Grid's 3 meter tail
He got impaled from behind. Doesn't matter if the tail is one meter or one hundred meters long.
Aside from the tail goof, Gill would have died anyway. As for Celtic, his death was pretty much right in line with P1 and 2 where both those predators died from being overconfident.
Whereas in AvP:R there was maybe one alien death that made sense in the light of the source material.
Quote from: Puks on Jan 25, 2010, 02:41:29 AM
He got impaled from behind. Doesn't matter if the tail is one meter or one hundred meters long.
I 'm pretty sure that a normal alien tail wouldn't reach him from that distance but still the if Grid was closer and didn't lifted Gill it would be fine.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 25, 2010, 02:41:54 AM
Whereas in AvP:R there was maybe one alien death that made sense in the light of the source material.
Wolf killed most of the aliens with long rage weapons(plama caster, shurikens), the aliens are danger in close combat but in long raged combat they dont have much change, even Ripley killed about 5 of them
Quote from: SamHain on Jan 25, 2010, 02:36:27 AM
Gill was killed because of the Grid's 3 meter tail and Celtic could have used his spear, shuriken, dagger, netgun in any moment of the fight to kill Grid but he decided to fight like some crazy berseker.
As long the preds' deatchs are logic I'm ok with it, Im pretty sure that most of the predator fans didn't have any problem with the alien queen killing Scar and the predalien killing the preds on the ship.
There's a certain sect of
Predator fans that don't acknowledge the power of your basic Alien warrior, however. After all, your normal adult Alien is what the
Alien fans really want to see. They don't want to see a Queen kick ass, or a Predalien slapping around unarmed civilians as much as they want to see Aliens doing their thing.
And if you take canonical evidence from the
Alien saga, then you'll find that they're strong (even moreso than Predators), agile, stealthy, highly resilient (plasma thrusters, molten lead, pistol rounds to the face) and clever. A match for any Predator, especially considering that Pussyface went down in hand-to-hand combat to a cop and Anytime got scared shitless by Arnie's clever tactics.
That's what potentially so great about the
Aliens vs. Predator franchise - tense battles that don't have a forgone conclusion and display the strengths (and weaknesses) of both species. The original comics were out of touch with the core concepts of both the Alien and the Predator and so were flawed representations. Only the first movie and the two PC FPS games have really gotten a respectable result in this regard, and they all display the Alien as a strong, resilient creature which is a threat to both humans and Predators irrespective of how many there are.
One Predator taking down two Aliens isn't 'logic' or a 'given'. It's poor, generalised narrative based on comics that failed to really capture what made the Aliens and Predators compelling in the first place. Not only does it trivialise the Aliens themselves, but the struggles of Ripley and the doomed souls around her. So an
Alien fan feels confused when the Aliens become cannon fodder, because in the movies, if just one of those things got down here,
all this, all this
bullshit you think is so important? You can just kiss that all goodbye. But in the comics (and AvPR), civilian-issue pistols are highly effective weapons against them and humans can even defeat them in hand-to-hand combat.
Complete and utter ruination of both a wonderful saga and a compelling creature.
There's a different sect of
Predator fan, too, but they're far too reasonable for me to complain about.
Madass totally nailed it.
And where have you been, mate (you do say mate in Australia, right?)? Haven't seen you around here for some time.
(Yeah, we say 'mate')
I've just been on a beach holiday with no internet. Good times, but I missed this place. <3
QuoteI've just been on a beach holiday
Good for you. It's -20 Celsius where I live. ;D
Have fun freezing ya nuts off, north-shackled bastard!
Have fun getting eaten by a great white, or even better, bitten by an Atrax robustus or a taipan! ;D
Aliens are formidable foes, and predators know they are. Physically they are stronger imo, however not more agile (or there's just a slight difference). In close combat they can just turn the outcome of the battle in a minute. I don't see the idea behind saying aliens are lower or weaker than predators, it would just mean that they are not a worthy prey hence the hunting them would be meaningless.
Quote
That's what potentially so great about the Aliens vs. Predator franchise - tense battles that don't have a forgone conclusion and display the strengths (and weaknesses) of both species.
Yes, I agree, but I don't agree with the statement the first movie and game made respectable results. In avp1 I could slaughter tons of aliens with just wristblades and it ruined the feeling. The avp movie on the other hand made preds look like idiots who can't win without their guns.
Aliens are worthy match for predators. Preds arent superior (only in technology, but heh, it cannot be a point of argument here).
QuoteA match for any Predator, especially considering that Pussyface went down in hand-to-hand combat to a cop
The hunter in p2 was seriously injured, lost tons of blood and lost his head. Still he won... until he became over confident.
Quoteand Anytime got scared shitless by Arnie's clever tactics.
Not really. He found Dutch finally, remember.
Eventually, but Dutch made him panic.
Yapp, he surprised the pred but it was momentary. As he was 'searching' for Dutch he seemes rather angry for me.
QuoteOne Predator taking down two Aliens isn't 'logic' or a 'given'. It's poor, generalised narrative based on comics that failed to really capture what made the Aliens and Predators compelling in the first place. Not only does it trivialise the Aliens themselves, but the struggles of Ripley and the doomed souls around her.
Btw I forget about this part of your post, but it's so true. Both aliens and predators are schematized 'mindeless' creatures in the two avp movies, not to mention that the tension the directors built up in both series are completely gone.
That's true - but the fact that Dutch legitimately irritated the Predator to that degree just goes to show how much he shook it.
I agree on that. Though the predator was trying to find out where Dutch was, he made his move in a hurry and was irritated. But it doesn't mean he was scared. I was just refering to the 'got shitless scared ' part, otherwise I agree.
I agree with just about everything Madass Alex said.
Except Anytime being scared, he was not scared, just confused and pissed off, IMO.
The only people I know who liked AvPR were predator fanboys. Friends and family of mine who aren't fans thought it was retarded. I know some friends who thought AvP was brilliant by comparison, despite lower rating and lack of action.
And I know people who enjoyed AvP:R and don't know a single thing about the previous films, and while they acknowledge the film is a bad one, they still had fun when they watched it. Doesn't make them fanboys.
QuoteYes, I agree, but I don't agree with the statement the first movie and game made respectable results. In avp1 I could slaughter tons of aliens with just wristblades and it ruined the feeling. The avp movie on the other hand made preds look like idiots who can't win without their guns.
I sort of see that point, since they put so much emphasis on the casters. Though, range [should] dramatically increase their odds, and they should have the disadvantage close range. Hell Celtic through Grid around like a ragdoll, and only lost from overconfidence. Scar went o to hold his own against a number of aliens (not without injury though).
AvP got the balance between the two just about right; the execution was just poor.
Hold his own in that case doesn't mean much. He was attacking from a distance in the first instance, then he killed a chestburster that's no threat in any way, and then he was jumped and couldn't defend himself.
Don't forget the alien he slices with the shuriken.
Besides, Preds advantage is at a distance. Really they should be just about f**ked up close.
Definitely their advantage is at distance, but why would they be in deep sh*t if it comes to close combat. Aliens are undoubtedly more dangerous in melee combat, but it can be countervailed with battle experiance and the ability to comprehend the whole combat situation (assuming preds are not way too slower and weaker than aliens). Still aliens are more probable to win, but there's a chance (and not a slight one imo) that a predator can win.
Hard choice for me...I actually enjoyed both these movies in the Cinema.
Yes they have their faults, and yes they could have been alot more...but in the end I did enjoy them.
I liked the story for the first movie, I thought it was pretty clever, with the Pyramid being the training grounds for the Predators etc, it was too watered down maybe, but then I'm not really looking for the measurement of blood in a movie, it was entertaining and loved the action scenes in them, even if there were few. Just to see two of my favourite sc-fi/horror icons on the screen was good enough for me.
The second movie...I enjoyed just as much, my own major gripe with this movie was, it all moved to quickly, and the lack of money to make the movie kinda showed....if they were given the right budget, this movie would have been alot better, but 20th Century Fox has still obviously not learnt anything, and I think their just ignoring the fans full stop.
But yeah, enjoyed this one, some neat designs, cool action scenes, people complained the screen was soo dark that they couldn't see much...I actually liked this, me being me.
I had to choose the 2nd movie, as I feel it tired to give more, but it couldn't...and it was not the Directors fault I dont think...
The acting was actually better than I thought it would be too, with all the mostly unknown actors in it...
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jan 27, 2010, 07:19:05 PM
Definitely their advantage is at distance, but why would they be in deep sh*t if it comes to close combat. Aliens are undoubtedly more dangerous in melee combat, but it can be countervailed with battle experiance and the ability to comprehend the whole combat situation (assuming preds are not way too slower and weaker than aliens). Still aliens are more probable to win, but there's a chance (and not a slight one imo) that a predator can win.
With how strong the alien is (which is arguably much stronger than the pred, given what is observed in the source material), and all the means of attack it has (claws, strike teeth, tail, acid spit and acid blood) the pred has a lot to worry about. Even if we assume and accept that the preds weapons and armor are acid proof (or resistant) they themselves are not. So even injuring the alien puts them at grave risk (taking into account that the alien's blood tends to shoot out rather violently).
Though preds that have a great deal of experience and have passed a "blooding ritual" (where they moved into elite status by killing an alien, or w/e) could know some strategy for beating alien, they are still at a big disadvantage. They are at a big disadvantage up close.
Predators are a race of proud, technologically-advanced neo-barbarian hunters. This makes them effective warriors, to be sure.
Aliens are (probably) bioweapons constructed by a long-extinct race of Star Gods. Each and every sinew (if they indeed have sinews) is fine-tuned towards perfect killing efficiency.
If a Predator wants to win up close, they have to be masterfully quick and to have trained their efficiency to match the Alien. It's not as if it'd never happen, but the chances of any Predator but a highly-experienced one willing in a hand-to-hand fight are pretty slim. Although this only applies to each set of source material as observed in the movies. Obviously the AvP comics have something very different to say about this.
May they be forever cursed.
You can't kill an Alien without breaking the skin. If an unarmed Predator managed to do this - his copping an acid bath, so the best he can hope for is a draw.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 27, 2010, 07:07:29 PM
Don't forget the alien he slices with the shuriken.
Which should've showered him with acid blood, but hey, what do I know...
Quote
With how strong the alien is (which is arguably much stronger than the pred, given what is observed in the source material), and all the means of attack it has (claws, strike teeth, tail, acid spit and acid blood) the pred has a lot to worry about. Even if we assume and accept that the preds weapons and armor are acid proof (or resistant) they themselves are not. So even injuring the alien puts them at grave risk (taking into account that the alien's blood tends to shoot out rather violently).
Though preds that have a great deal of experience and have passed a "blooding ritual" (where they moved into elite status by killing an alien, or w/e) could know some strategy for beating alien, they are still at a big disadvantage. They are at a big disadvantage up close.
They are at disadvantage when it comes to close combat, but that's something they count in. I agree, but I'm just saying that it's not like they are totally lost when they have go against an alien up close. I think I'm saying nearly the same as you and Alex, but it seems I can't express myself properly, sorry for that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2010, 04:30:45 AM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 27, 2010, 07:07:29 PM
Don't forget the alien he slices with the shuriken.
Which should've showered him with acid blood, but hey, what do I know...
Yeah, that stuff turns conveniently on and off like a tap.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 28, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 28, 2010, 04:30:45 AM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 27, 2010, 07:07:29 PM
Don't forget the alien he slices with the shuriken.
Which should've showered him with acid blood, but hey, what do I know...
Yeah, that stuff turns conveniently on and off like a tap.
I think that there's a difference...
The Alien have acid blood, sure. But I think that there is no proof that the blood will splatter all over the place from the wound from a sharp bladed weapon, however if you shoot it in the face with a shotgun or any other weapon useing bullets, then there will be splatter.
The first time we ever see the acid blood it sprays out from a surgical cut.
who keeps voting for the first AVP? lol. I know, they both were pretty average, but the first one was a total disaster. AVPR at least tried to relate to fans. Also for the low budget they had, it looked miles better then the first movie. I would have thought that here people would appreciate AVPR more then the first crappy movie.
AvP looked like it actually had a budget, and at least tried to have some self-respect. It also at least pretended like it was trying to give a damn about the whole ordeal; AvPR unabashadly went in arms-flailing, embracing every obnoxious cliché it could, aimed squarely at teenagers and people who find heads exploding hilarious, with a mind-boggling disregard for the fanbase and staggering incompetence in its storytelling.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 29, 2010, 01:03:38 AM
The first time we ever see the acid blood it sprays out from a surgical cut.
True. But there are supposed to be certain spots to limit acid splash. Aiming for the legs and head is supposed to create small acid splatter. But thats with carefully aimed shots. A pred disc slicing through that is messy and should have a big splatter.
Quote from: dachande89 on Jan 29, 2010, 03:41:15 AM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 29, 2010, 01:03:38 AM
The first time we ever see the acid blood it sprays out from a surgical cut.
True. But there are supposed to be certain spots to limit acid splash. Aiming for the legs and head is supposed to create small acid splatter. But thats with carefully aimed shots. A pred disc slicing through that is messy and should have a big splatter.
The legs maybe, the the heads explode like a pinata stuffed with cherry bombs. And not just any pinata... an acid pinata.
You do not want to buy that pinata for a party. Trust me, it isn't near as fun as it sounds. :(
Quote from: MastaMarek on Jan 29, 2010, 01:28:08 AM
who keeps voting for the first AVP? lol. I know, they both were pretty average, but the first one was a total disaster. AVPR at least tried to relate to fans. Also for the low budget they had, it looked miles better then the first movie. I would have thought that here people would appreciate AVPR more then the first crappy movie.
Get out.
This just shows they're almost equally as bad.
Quote from: dachande89 on Jan 29, 2010, 03:41:15 AM
Quote from: Eidotemit on Jan 29, 2010, 01:03:38 AM
The first time we ever see the acid blood it sprays out from a surgical cut.
True. But there are supposed to be certain spots to limit acid splash. Aiming for the legs and head is supposed to create small acid splatter. But thats with carefully aimed shots. A pred disc slicing through that is messy and should have a big splatter.
Dude, when Wolf threw the two shurikens in the hospital before one of them pinned Jesse to the wall, they both sliced through the heads of two Aliens and made them bleed badly as a result. There's no way it was a 'limit' that prevented Scar's alien head slice from bleeding. It was just stupid movie making.
It was silly how there wasn't even a drop of blood when Scar sliced the head off. I didn't expect acid to splash everywhere, but blood should've gushed out and spilled onto the floor.
There is nothing in Anderson's movie that goes against AvP established canon.
Whereas the Strause' brothers have really done some atrocious things to AvP in their own film.
-- Predalien skinning the Predators. Retarded.
-- Predalien creating embryos and forcing multiple ones down people's throats.
-- The Xenomorphs never moving to establish a hive, which should've been what one of the first drones did right off the bat.
-- The Predalien not stomping Wolf into the ground. This is pretty much established in most respectable sources that the Predalien is pretty much the end-all for anyone that comes across it. It should've beat Wolf fairly quickly.
Quote from: Lil Theo on Jan 29, 2010, 03:50:44 PM
There is nothing in Anderson's movie that goes against AvP established canon.
Whereas the Strause' brothers have really done some atrocious things to AvP in their own film.
-- Predalien skinning the Predators. Retarded.
That wasn't their idea. In the final film they even tried to hide it and didn't add any scene that drew attention to them.
Quote-- Predalien creating embryos and forcing multiple ones down people's throats.
Even though not my favorite idea, it could make sense if we see it as the first stage of a Queen's life cycle. Breeding multiple Aliens in order to create an Alien force that can protect her, before she settles down to create her eggs.
Quote-- The Xenomorphs never moving to establish a hive, which should've been what one of the first drones did right off the bat.
The Hospital was slowly turned into a Hive.
Quote-- The Predalien not stomping Wolf into the ground. This is pretty much established in most respectable sources that the Predalien is pretty much the end-all for anyone that comes across it. It should've beat Wolf fairly quickly.
I admit, the whole end fight was pretty silly. Especially with all the opportunities the Predalien had to kill Wolf, but instead just slapped him around.
I think with a decent budget, a good script and no Studio interference, they could've probably delivered a good Movie. I'm looking forward to the Movie Predators and see what a director can do that is given complete freedom, without the studio interfering. Fox might slowly change for the better, now that Rothman is out of the way.
I voted AvP: R
More intensive action, don't know, simply, it's better to me...
Careful, you'll stir up hell, my friend.
Man after my own heart!
I definitely prefered the action too. The only downside is that most of the Aliens were dumb as bread. But if we're just looking at the action choreography, I think the Bros did a pretty good job.
I would've loved to see what they could've done with the action in the first Movie. With multiple Predators and the guideline to make the fights even. It would've been total mayhem.
Picking one argument up again... What's wrong with the Alien killing the Predator by taking the surprise advantage?
Nothing, really. Well, except for the sudden super long tail. But the rest of the Movie turned boring real quickly. Gill was taken by surprise, awesome moment to kick start the Alien vs Predator action. Then you have one rumble between Celtic and Grid (which looked goofy half the time, IMO) and then we keep watching Scar walking around the Pyramid, blasting Aliens with his Plasma caster.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 30, 2010, 09:31:41 PM
Picking one argument up again... What's wrong with the Alien killing the Predator by taking the surprise advantage?
Because a Pred never should have been taken by surprise! ::)
Or so some predboys say lol. ;) Frankly, all's fair in intergalactic extraterrestrial war.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 30, 2010, 09:31:41 PM
Picking one argument up again... What's wrong with the Alien killing the Predator by taking the surprise advantage?
Who said there was anything wrong with it?
Truthfully I would much rather watch aliens or predator or play one of the PC games to get my fill of the two greatest creatures in the universe (that we know of so far). But between the two AvP movies I'm split because AvP was a better movie (script, acting, etc.) but AvP-R was better for creatures (predator bad @$$, more action scenes, etc.). I also enjoyed the ridged look of the aliens because I love ALIENS (And I'm not saying they should have looked that way after a day).
The first AvP was also a little less realistic especially with one xenomorph killing two predators (yes I know the predators were young and one was suprise attacked but really only scar can kill aliens)
Because Neither is truly superior I won't vote (unless neither is added to the poll).
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2010, 01:10:17 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 30, 2010, 09:31:41 PM
Picking one argument up again... What's wrong with the Alien killing the Predator by taking the surprise advantage?
Who said there was anything wrong with it?
I remember that someone said it was not
fair...
You have to admit AVP R had shit loads of potential, but 20th Century Fox are great at just distroying that...I see the movie as something that could have been soo much more, cause the ideas were there.
I enjoyed it anyway.
As for why they decided to make it soo dark...is yet to be explained, but there we go.
They didn't make it too dark. It was the colour grading that was screwed up, not the lighting.
Quote from: muse_manic on Jan 31, 2010, 03:15:28 PM
You have to admit AVP R had shit loads of potential, but 20th Century Fox are great at just distroying that...
This is why I can't really place much blame on the Brothers. Look at X-Men Origins: Wolverine. That Movie had Oscar Winner Gavin Hood hood directing it. The end result was just a overall cartoony and bad Movie.
No, you can place much blame on the Brothers. They made the wrong choices. They were self-admitted Predator fans, and practically insulted Alien fans in their own commentary.
I think the only way for one of these films to be balanced is if one director is more of an Alien fan, the other more of a Predator one.
What would that solve? X amount of wrongs still don't make a right.
I'm not saying the films would be better, merely more balanced.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 31, 2010, 07:02:34 PM
I think the only way for one of these films to be balanced is if one director is more of an Alien fan, the other more of a Predator one.
Or, someone who knows nothing about the previous films other than the names of the creatures and just makes a good sci-fi film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 31, 2010, 07:02:34 PM
I think the only way for one of these films to be balanced is if one director is more of an Alien fan, the other more of a Predator one.
Or, someone who knows nothing about the previous films other than the names of the creatures and just makes a good sci-fi film.
No way, that would lead to some horrible continuity with the rest of the franchise.(See also - Star Trek: Nemesis, a movie largely derided for hiring a director who knew nothing about Trek and just wanted to make a good adventure)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 31, 2010, 07:02:34 PM
I think the only way for one of these films to be balanced is if one director is more of an Alien fan, the other more of a Predator one.
Or, someone who knows nothing about the previous films other than the names of the creatures and just makes a good sci-fi film.
This, fans shouldn't make the movies. Well, I wouldn't say "know nothing," but not a fanboy.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 31, 2010, 08:25:05 PM
No way, that would lead to some horrible continuity with the rest of the franchise.(See also - Star Trek: Nemesis, a movie largely derided for hiring a director who knew nothing about Trek and just wanted to make a good adventure)
Yet, we got that anyway from people who claimed to be huge fans.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 31, 2010, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 31, 2010, 07:02:34 PM
I think the only way for one of these films to be balanced is if one director is more of an Alien fan, the other more of a Predator one.
Or, someone who knows nothing about the previous films other than the names of the creatures and just makes a good sci-fi film.
No way, that would lead to some horrible continuity with the rest of the franchise.(See also - Star Trek: Nemesis, a movie largely derided for hiring a director who knew nothing about Trek and just wanted to make a good adventure)
This is a side point, but I liked Nemesis. I really don't understand why the film is hit with so much flak.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
Quote from: Bishop2 on Jan 31, 2010, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2010, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 31, 2010, 07:02:34 PM
I think the only way for one of these films to be balanced is if one director is more of an Alien fan, the other more of a Predator one.
Or, someone who knows nothing about the previous films other than the names of the creatures and just makes a good sci-fi film.
No way, that would lead to some horrible continuity with the rest of the franchise.(See also - Star Trek: Nemesis, a movie largely derided for hiring a director who knew nothing about Trek and just wanted to make a good adventure)
This is a side point, but I liked Nemesis. I really don't understand why the film is hit with so much flak.
Actually, I have to confess that I mostly liked Nemesis too, but I still realize it has continuity problems that are pretty obnoxious. Still, after Insurrection, maybe anything would seem like it was decent. Anyway.
I don't think we need a 'fanboy' for future films, but someone who understands the concepts, themes and continuity behind the creatures would be nice.
For instance, Fincher understood that the Alien was an extraterrestrial life-form in literal terms, but carried with it implications of daemonhood. Alien 3 was really well done, insofar as the things in Fincher's hands were concerned. His understanding of what made the creature tick was only a good quality.
I really wouldn't want someone who doesn't know much about the previous films to helm it. Usually, the result of that kind of person is what we currently 'enjoy' as EU material.
EU material is supposed to be "out there". The liberties you see taken in the comics are unavoidable because the idea is to create an even bigger sense of wonder within a given universe. But with the movies, there has to be some level of reality, in that suspension of disbelief will only be taken so far. So I doubt the films would suffer the same fate.
EU material is supposed to be consistent in theme and atmosphere with its source material.
We didn't get that.
Instead, we get a great, plausible sci-fi setting made generic, its monsters rendered as mooks and its central character changed from a strong survivor to a gung-ho action hero. Not having read any Predator comics at length, I can't comment on them.
If the EU writers knew what they were doing, we would've gotten something far more consistent with the films.
The issue is that the fans we've had previously within the franchise didn't know what they were doing. The BS are the most obvious example. Anderson actually directed well, he just had to work with a shitty script and mediocre actors. I don't know if Fincher counts as a 'fan', but he was knowledgable enough to know to know about egg-morphing, so it's safe to say he had an interest.
Every time we've seen a shitty movie from a fan, it's been coupled with something else. We just need one that won't do things for the 'cool' factor, but for the sake of tension within the movie.
I think it's just fitting that AVP:R was a bit of a slap to the face of Alien fanboys seeing as the first AVP was a slap in the face to Predator fanboys. I for one like to at least "think" I am neutral, seeing as I truly adore both franchises. I actually enjoyed AVPR but that doesn't mean that I could not notice the fact that movie was a serious let done. One that I can clearly admit to the Alien fan boys .....are the Aliens just like zombies now or something? They might as well have been...I know Wolf was supposed to be some sort of Elite pred but some of the things he done were flat out ridiculous and beyond belief. I could of dealt with him scoop slamming a Alien once or twice as long as he saw it coming...but that holding two aliens by the neck is just...doesn't seem right.
I was under the impression that the Predators hunted the Aliens for a reason....they were the ultimate biological weapon. Fast, powerful, lacking morality or fear yet capable of problem solving intelligence...
That being said...I do not believe a Alien is obviously going to man handle a Predator...at least not nearly as easily as it would a human being. They are supposed to be roughly the same size other then the tail unless you consider ADI's midget Aliens the real deal...
The series should of never left space honestly...Predators on earth? They are nomadic big game hunters.....We can believe that....Aliens on earth?....not so much. There are plenty of things on earth that can tear a human being to shreds and we all fear. Space...regardless of how many planets actually have life is for the most part cold and dead. It was kind of the entire idea about even in space there were things creeping in the dark hunting you that wanted to gut your face IMO. K done...
How can ANYONE like Anderson's movie more. I FU*KING HATE PAUL ANDERSON. Franchise ruiner.
Paul Anderson's a good director. Just a shitty script-writer.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 02, 2010, 12:40:56 PM
Paul Anderson's a good director. Just a shitty script-writer.
Fair enough. He still blows. Look what he did to Resident Evil and AVP. Enough to make me vomit.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 02, 2010, 12:40:56 PM
Paul Anderson's a good director. Just a shitty script-writer.
And he's a self-admitted Alien fanboy, which didn't help his movie much.
Even though his movie was still 1000 times more balanced than AvP:R.
Mittens here has stumbled upon that funny little thing here.
When an Alien fanboy is in charge, the battles are balanced, tense and interesting, but there are still parts where Aliens in superior numbers still get slaughtered wholesale by Predators. If that's fanboyism, then I think a lot of Predfans are ignoring Alien canon where even a single Alien is a massive deal.
When Predator fanboys were in charge, we got a series of boring, tensionless action sequences that failed to adequately represent either creature. For goodness' sake, at least Anderson was mindful enough of the Predator's theme and abilities to give it the Queen head-impalement shot.
I don't really mean to point any fingers (because I'm not), I'm just pointing out my observations.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 02, 2010, 11:54:27 PM
When an Alien fanboy is in charge, the battles are balanced, tense and interesting, but there are still parts where Aliens in superior numbers still get slaughtered wholesale by Predators. If that's fanboyism, then I think a lot of Predfans are ignoring Alien canon where even a single Alien is a massive deal.
Watching Chopper eing lifted by a magic 3 meter tail and being throw like a piece a sh*t by a normal alien isnt fair.
There was just 1 fight and it consisted in a stupid wrestle battle that could have ended quickly if Celtic just used his spear, shuriken, dagger, netgun in several moments that he could, and I dont think we can consider the last ''battle'' really a AvP battle because it is more a Lex vs Alien queen fight.
And a lot of alien fans are ignoring
Aliens that showed dozens of aliens being killed like nothing... even Ripley killed about 5 aliens and the Queen! But when a predator do something like that they refuse to accept... anyway you can blame James, he was the person who turned the ALIEN in some stupid space bug.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 02, 2010, 11:54:27 PM
When Predator fanboys were in charge, we got a series of boring, tensionless action sequences that failed to adequately represent either creature. For goodness' sake, at least Anderson was mindful enough of the Predator's theme and abilities to give it the Queen head-impalement shot.
Maybe for you but I thought that fights were fine, not perfect but after AvP its better than nothing
Quote from: Fleshtrap666 on Feb 02, 2010, 07:50:16 AM
I think it's just fitting that AVP:R was a bit of a slap to the face of Alien fanboys...
I didn't see it as that so much as a slap to the face of cinema fans. I saw this movie before I was a fan of the Alien franchise, and even then it was either incredibly boring, painful to watch, or unintentionally hilarious to me. Now that I like the Alien series a lot, it's even more painful for me to view this film.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:28 AM
And a lot of alien fans are ignoring Aliens that showed dozens of aliens being killed like nothing... even Ripley killed about 5 aliens and the Queen! But when a predator do something like that they refuse to accept... anyway you can blame James, he was the person who turned the ALIEN in some stupid space bug.
I wouldn't exactly call being shot by 9 or 10mm (I can't remember which it was) explosive tipped armour piercing rounds or the ammunition used by a massive gun that is considered "smart" and can track targets nothing. Even then, some of the pulse rifle rounds still ricocheted and deflected off. However, I would call being man-handled by a Predator (Wolf*) that constantly left his flanks open for attack, that chose to use certain weapons in situations that they weren't optimum for, and who generally sucked-ass as far as Predators go, nothing.
*God, I really hate how they shoehorned a Pulp Fiction reference into this film.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:28 AM
There was just 1 fight and it consisted in a stupid wrestle battle that could have ended quickly if Celtic just used his spear, shuriken, dagger, netgun in several moments that he could,
His spear was stuck in Max, Alien may well have dodged the shuriken (they dodged the shoulder cannon), and it used the last two when it had the chance. It just got cocky - like all other Predators before it.
QuoteAnd a lot of alien fans are ignoring Aliens that showed dozens of aliens being killed like nothing... even Ripley killed about 5 aliens and the Queen! But when a predator do something like that they refuse to accept... anyway you can blame James, he was the person who turned the ALIEN in some stupid space bug.
Aliens being shot down at long-distance by futuristic weaponry.
Not trod on by a marine in arm's reach.
Huge f**king difference. No-one ever bitches about Predators shooting Aliens.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:28 AM
Watching Chopper eing lifted by a magic 3 meter tail and being throw like a piece a sh*t by a normal alien isnt fair.
There was just 1 fight and it consisted in a stupid wrestle battle that could have ended quickly if Celtic just used his spear, shuriken, dagger, netgun in several moments that he could, and I dont think we can consider the last ''battle'' really a AvP battle because it is more a Lex vs Alien queen fight.
It says a lot about where this franchise has gone that we can consider a 'normal' Alien weak and unworthy of fighting a Predator. We're so steeped in our escapist interest that something that can't exist can be considered normal despite the fact that it bleeds acid, arguably touches on ESP, can break through steel doors and can remain unscathed after passing through the plasma engines of a spacecraft.
Either way a 'normal' Alien is a match for any Predator if you look at the
Alien movies themselves and note the strengths of the Xenomorph instead of noting when they get shot.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:28 AMAnd a lot of alien fans are ignoring Aliens that showed dozens of aliens being killed like nothing... even Ripley killed about 5 aliens and the Queen! But when a predator do something like that they refuse to accept... anyway you can blame James, he was the person who turned the ALIEN in some stupid space bug.
James was the one that showcased them bashing through steel doors, understanding human technology effectively enough to sabotage it and taking shots from a pistol and just not caring. It was the comics that did the damage, and the mindset of the
Aliens comics is reflected in the AvP comics, too. This carries on through to the rest of the AvP franchise, unfortunately.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:28 AMMaybe for you but I thought that fights were fine, not perfect but after AvP its better than nothing
AvP's two fight scenes were good. I'll take quality over quantity anyday. The AvPR ones weren't just awfully executed, but lacked tension because you knew what the outcome would be.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 12:24:28 AM
Watching Chopper eing lifted by a magic 3 meter tail and being throw like a piece a sh*t by a normal alien isnt fair.
The long tail goof means nothing. Lower the platform and the same result would have been had. Gill didn't know he was there and that death was perfectly acceptable.
QuoteThere was just 1 fight and it consisted in a stupid wrestle battle that could have ended quickly if Celtic just used his spear, shuriken, dagger, netgun in several moments that he could, and I dont think we can consider the last ''battle'' really a AvP battle because it is more a Lex vs Alien queen fight.
Didn't have its spear, did use the netgun and the dagger. Hell, even the fact that the pred did that well against an alien in straight melee is remarkable.
QuoteAnd a lot of alien fans are ignoring Aliens that showed dozens of aliens being killed like nothing... even Ripley killed about 5 aliens and the Queen! But when a predator do something like that they refuse to accept... anyway you can blame James, he was the person who turned the ALIEN in some stupid space bug.
They were resistant to (as in, many bounced off) 10mm explosive tipped light armor piercing rounds fired at very close range (within 10 meters) and busting down inches thick steel doors as if they were nothing. Also, there isn't an alien fan here that has a problem with a pred killing aliens
as long as its done with respect to the source material. Wolf waltzed though the aliens and only lived because the aliens were made extremely weak and stupid. Hell, as I pred fan I was mad that I didn't get to see an elite pred, just a stupid one that got extremely lucky.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 12:54:54 AM
His spear was stuck in Max, Alien may well have dodged the shuriken (they dodged the shoulder cannon), and it used the last two when it had the chance. It just got cocky - like all other Predators before it.
Then he just had to take the spear off... he had many chances like after he cutted off Grid's tail, the alien hasn't even paying attenction but instead of just killing him he decided to go wrestle!!! Cocky? Paul Anderson just wanted a excuse to kill the poor pred
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 12:54:54 AM
Huge f**king difference. No-one ever bitches about Predators shooting Aliens.
Most of the aliens were killed by Wolf's plasma casters in AvP-R but still everybody bitches about it
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 03, 2010, 01:35:37 AM
It says a lot about where this franchise has gone that we can consider a 'normal' Alien weak and unworthy of fighting a Predator. We're so steeped in our escapist interest that something that can't exist can be considered normal despite the fact that it bleeds acid, arguably touches on ESP, can break through steel doors and can remain unscathed after passing through the plasma engines of a spacecraft.
Either way a 'normal' Alien is a match for any Predator if you look at the Alien movies themselves and note the strengths of the Xenomorph instead of noting when they get shot.
The problem isnt that the alien killed him... but that he lifted and throwed him like nothing, sorry but I can see a alien doing that a human but a predator? Its just as bad as having Wolf holding those 2 aliens by the neck
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 03, 2010, 01:35:37 AM
AvP's two fight scenes were good. I'll take quality over quantity anyday. The AvPR ones weren't just awfully executed, but lacked tension because you knew what the outcome would be.
Like I said maybe for you but I enjoyed them more, you dont have to agree with me.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 01:40:18 AM
The long tail goof means nothing. Lower the platform and the same result would have been had. Gill didn't know he was there and that death was perfectly acceptable.
Maybe if it was this way, but if you take look in the originals... the aliens's tails were never ''spear like'' and they never used to stab people(except the queen) but its not a big deal
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 01:40:18 AM
Didn't have its spear, did use the netgun and the dagger. Hell, even the fact that the pred did that well against an alien in straight melee is remarkable.
The spear was next to him...and he could have used the netgun and dagger many times instead of wrestling with the alien
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 01:40:18 AM
They were resistant to (as in, many bounced off) 10mm explosive tipped light armor piercing rounds fired at very close range (within 10 meters) and busting down inches thick steel doors as if they were nothing. Also, there isn't an alien fan here that has a problem with a pred killing aliens as long as its done with respect to the source material. Wolf waltzed though the aliens and only lived because the aliens were made extremely weak and stupid. Hell, as I pred fan I was mad that I didn't get to see an elite pred, just a stupid one that got extremely lucky.
Most of the aliens that were killed by Wold died by his plama casters.... but I agree the aliens were stupid in some scenes
Sure alot of Aliens got killed in Aliens, but they were also going up against trained soldiers with serious fire power...and were still almost completely annihilated save for Bishop "who isn't even human..and still torn in half by the end of the movie", Hicks "pretty much crippled from burns", Newt "Luckiest bitch alive", and Ripley who at that point and time knows more about the Xeno's then most people cared too..even though that did little to help her situation when you really think about it.
I think the whole Elite Predator thing would of worked much better if they at least made it seem like he had his hands full. If a Predator had enough experience hunting Aliens like Wolf was supposed to have had...he very well could have survived an Alien attack...but that doesn't mean it should of been easy....You never even once got the impression that he was even breaking a sweat. The action scenes should of been fast paced and hectic because he should of been being attacked from all angles with only fractions of a second to respond to each Alien. Every move he made should of resulted in a crippling blow that would at least knock an alien back, or a kill. That spear could be the perfect weapon for at least keeping Aliens at bay. But apparently it's too much to ask for a Predator to move even remotely as fast as humans obviously can and actually fight with the damned spear instead of just stabbing with it.
He just seemed WAY to eager to get right in the Aliens face which should of been the last place he wanted to be... That sewer fight scene could of been the greatest sci-fi battle scene in recent history and it ended as a dud.
Either way rather he fought like he should have, or in the way it actually turned out in the movie.....he should have been seriously hurt in the end of that fight. Doesn't mean he had to get killed, but he should of at least caught a tail through the shoulder or a claw across his obviously unarmored stomach. He should of been more of the "Takes a serious beating, but still somehow comes out on top" type than the "I can do this all day" type.
Sorry, done writing novels this is all of course IMO.
AVPR since I'm more of a Predator fan & honestly it's action was way better than AVP. AVP was a boring, dumb movie. AVPR was dumb, but it had some cool scenes.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 02:54:16 AM
Then he just had to take the spear off...
Right. Turn your back on a pissed-off Alien. Spectacular game-plan.
QuoteCocky? Paul Anderson just wanted a excuse to kill the poor pred
At least he did it in-character for the creature.
QuoteMost of the aliens were killed by Wolf's plasma casters in AvP-R but still everybody bitches about it
No-one has ever bitched about the Aliens Wolf
shot. Ever.
QuoteThe problem isnt that the alien killed him... but that he lifted and throwed him like nothing, sorry but I can see a alien doing that a human but a predator? Its just as bad as having Wolf holding those 2 aliens by the neck
Celtic was impaled through the chest and lifted into the air. Again, huge difference - In AvPR the Aliens were being held around the neck. Celtic was dying. As for being thrown, I don't see the problem. It's not like Aliens are weak.
QuoteThe spear was next to him...and he could have used the netgun and dagger many times instead of wrestling with the alien
While wrestling he was spending most of his time trying to stop the Alien tearing him to pieces with its bare hands.
Gill was impaled through the chest, Gill ;)
Tomato, tomahto. ( :P I'm not being serious I realise that I made a mistake I was just trying to jokingly brushing it off sorry for any confusion)
Not really, since it does make a difference.
Makes me want to call him Gilbert...let's stick with Chopper. ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 04:39:41 AM
Not really, since it does make a difference.
I left out the smiley because I thought it was obvious, but evidently not ...
Aw geez, it's late night...knew I shoulda held off on that last tequila shot...
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 04:28:34 AM
Right. Turn your back on a pissed-off Alien. Spectacular game-plan.
At least he did it in-character for the creature.
He could have taked the spear after he saw that Chopper was dead, but he decided to watch his buddy being headbitten and run after the alien. Now
THAT is a spectacular game plan
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 04:28:34 AM
No-one has ever bitched about the Aliens Wolf shot. Ever.
Dude I have seen a lot, I mean
A LOT of people, most aliens fans that keep saying that all the aliens were dumb, that no way a predator would kill so much them even thought Wolf killed most of the aliens with long raged weapons
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 04:28:34 AM
Celtic was impaled through the chest and lifted into the air. Again, huge difference - In AvPR the Aliens were being held around the neck. Celtic was dying. As for being thrown, I don't see the problem. It's not like Aliens are weak.
Its
Chopper/Gill, and it was just humiliating to the pred, it showed that the pred was like nothing compared to the alien. And preds arent weak too so I guess there wasnt any problem with the 2 aliens being hold by the neck.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 04:28:34 AM
While wrestling he was spending most of his time trying to stop the Alien tearing him to pieces with its bare hands.
... instead of just killing the alien
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
He could have taked the spear after he saw that Chopper was dead, but he decided to watch his buddy being headbitten and run after the alien. Now THAT is a spectacular game plan
He didn't realize it was an Alien at first glance. He heard the blood splatter, turned around, and when he realized what was going on, he knew he had to kill the alien as fast as he could.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Dude I have seen a lot, I mean A LOT of people, most aliens fans that keep saying that all the aliens were dumb, that no way a predator would kill so much them even thought Wolf killed most of the aliens with long raged weapons
Then they're idiots. Predators will always have the advantage at long range.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Its Chopper/Gill, and it was just humiliating to the pred, it showed that the pred was like nothing compared to the alien. And preds arent weak too so I guess there wasnt any problem with the 2 aliens being hold by the neck.
Well what would you like him to have done? He just had his spinal cord severed. Not like Gill could've really done anything.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
... instead of just killing the alien
How do you kill something that is on top of you, chest on chest, and wants to rip your head off? Worry about defending yourself first.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
He didn't realize it was an Alien at first glance. He heard the blood splatter, turned around, and when he realized what was going on, he knew he had to kill the alien as fast as he could.
If he wanted to kill the alien as fast as he could then why didnt he just throwed his spear or shuriken?
You can say that he has a teenager... but thats no excuse for him being dumb
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
Then they're idiots. Predators will always have the advantage at long range.
I agree!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
Well what would you like him to have done? He just had his spinal cord severed. Not like Gill could've really done anything.
Hasnt he wearing armor in his back? If yes then no way a alien tail would be able to stab him, we have seen that preds's armor is immune to bullets, so the tail wouldnt do any damage
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
How do you kill something that is on top of you, chest on chest, and wants to rip your head off? Worry about defending yourself first.
I would try to get the alien off me just like Celtic did then I would take my weapons and finish it
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
If he wanted to kill the alien as fast as he could then why didnt he just throwed his spear or shuriken?
Hadn't Celtic only the Wristblades and the Net-Launcher? ???
The again, if it's a teenager, it obviously hasn't made experience in fight and strategies.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
Hasnt he wearing armor in his back? If yes then no way a alien tail would be able to stab him, we have seen that preds's armor is immune to bullets, so the tail wouldnt do any damage
On Screen > What you think.
If the tail has impaled him
and stabbed the armor itself, it can nonetheless.
I don't remember him wearing armor in that spot though.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
Well what would you like him to have done? He just had his spinal cord severed. Not like Gill could've really done anything.
Hasnt he wearing armor in his back? If yes then no way a alien tail would be able to stab him, we have seen that preds's armor is immune to bullets, so the tail wouldnt do any damage
The tail went through to the other side of his body so him wearing armour is neither here nor there.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
How do you kill something that is on top of you, chest on chest, and wants to rip your head off? Worry about defending yourself first.
I would try to get the alien off me just like Celtic did then I would take my weapons and finish it
That's exactly what he was doing, but when you've got a razor sharp tail swinging at you along with big hands with big sharp claws, it's not easy. Or did you expect Grid to just sit there and wait to be killed?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 03, 2010, 06:13:44 PM
Hadn't Celtic only the Wristblades and the Net-Launcher? ???
The again, if it's a teenager, it obviously hasn't made experience in fight and strategies.
No. He had a spear(next to him), a dagger and 1/2 shurikens(on his belt or something) too.
If he didnt knew how to fight he shouldn't be in this ritual and just because he is young we have to accept his stupidity?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 03, 2010, 06:13:44 PM
On Screen > What you think.
If the tail has impaled him and stabbed the armor itself, it can nonetheless.
I don't remember him wearing armor in that spot though.
I just looked at scene that Celtic and Chopper were going to the pyramid and both of them were wearing armor in the back... if their armor cant protect them then why the are they wearing it? And in the originals their armor were bullet-proof
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 06:27:50 PM
The tail went through to the other side of his body so him wearing armour is neither here nor there.
In the scene that Celtic and Chopper were going to the pyramid we can see the armor.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
That's exactly what he was doing, but when you've got a razor sharp tail swinging at you along with big hands with big sharp claws, it's not easy. Or did you expect Grid to just sit there and wait to be killed?
What about after the scene after Celtic cutted Grid's tail? The alien wasnt even paying attenction but instead of using his weapons he decided to push him.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
He could have taked the spear after he saw that Chopper was dead, but he decided to watch his buddy being headbitten and run after the alien. Now THAT is a spectacular game plan
He reacted as quickly as possible to deal with what was going on. Pretty much as soon as he saw it was an alien, it was on him.
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Dude I have seen a lot, I mean A LOT of people, most aliens fans that keep saying that all the aliens were dumb, that no way a predator would kill so much them even thought Wolf killed most of the aliens with long raged weapons
People complain about the aliens being stupid and Wolf just walking through them unscathed; no one complains about them being killed at range by caster or otherwise.
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Its Chopper/Gill, and it was just humiliating to the pred, it showed that the pred was like nothing compared to the alien. And preds arent weak too so I guess there wasnt any problem with the 2 aliens being hold by the neck.
How is it humiliating? It showed that a predator could be killed. Aliens bust through inches thick steel doors, I doubt throwing a corpse is much of a work out for it.
The two aliens Wolf held back were aware of Wolf, facing him and traying to attack him; yet for reasons that can not be explained couldn't. Wolf should have died right there (being that he was in range of every attack in the aliens arsenal).
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... instead of just killing the alien
There wasn't much it could have done at that moment. He had to get the alien off before he could kill it. Just showing that a pred could fight with an alien like that is big a big boost for the preds.
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If he wanted to kill the alien as fast as he could then why didnt he just throwed his spear or shuriken?
You can say that he has a teenager... but thats no excuse for him being dumb
Again, he didn't have his spear or the time to safely get it. Also, I'm not sure Celtic has any shurikens at his disposal. He used what weapons he could when he could.
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Hasnt he wearing armor in his back? If yes then no way a alien tail would be able to stab him, we have seen that preds's armor is immune to bullets, so the tail wouldnt do any damage
He didn't have any armor on his back that the tail went through IIRC. Even if he did though, an alien could feasibly get through it. The aliens have been shown deflecting 10mm explosive tipped light armor piercing rifle rounds, yet the predators weapons can break their armor (skin). The aliens have incredible strength, and it isn't impossible for them to break predator armor.
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I would try to get the alien off me just like Celtic did then I would take my weapons and finish it
Which is what Celtic did. It lost the same way Anytime and Pussyface lost; overconfidence.
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No. He had a spear(next to him), a dagger and 1/2 shurikens(on his belt or something) too.
If he didnt knew how to fight he shouldn't be in this ritual and just because he is young we have to accept his stupidity?
The spear wasn't immediately next to him. I don't remember him having shurikens, but perhaps he did.
Also, the "young teenage" pred thing isn't literal. PWA used that as an analogy to human coming of age rituals. These were supposed to be experienced hunters going through a test to become elites. They were supposed to be more experienced than Anytime or Pussyface. That said, they were not experienced against aliens.
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I just looked at scene that Celtic and Chopper were going to the pyramid and both of them were wearing armor in the back... if their armor cant protect them then why the are they wearing it? And in the originals their armor were bullet-proof
They had a lot of armor on, but they weren't full suits, there were a lot of gaps. Again, the aliens were also bullet proof (to much more powerful rounds than the preds armor was ever seen taking).
Their armor did offer a fair bit of protection from the claws too.
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In the scene that Celtic and Chopper were going to the pyramid we can see the armor.
Even if it was there, the aliens could still be able to break it.
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What about after the scene after Celtic cutted Grid's tail? The alien wasnt even paying attenction but instead of using his weapons he decided to push him.
The pred couldn't kill the alien there; cutting the tail was even a risky move. After it cut the tail and saw the acid blood, it knew that damaging it up close would be a bad thing (unless Celtic wanted an acid bath).
Well, I think the way Chopper died is just right. He knew what he was up against, what did await him in the pyramid (omg :o), still he was focusing on a human meaning no serious harm to him. The alien killing him (the size of the tail is unessential) was OK, those creatures tear up metal like it was carboard, and Chopper's back (assuminfg that their armor would be 'alien-resistant', which is certainly not in this movie, having seen how grid scratched the helmet with a tiny slam) wasn't fully armored. I think his death and the way grid did throw him was ok. It showed how strong and ferocious aliens are, how deadly their nature is. I think Chopper was the overconfident one.. Celtic was the stupid one, and I don't like it. He had plenty of time to get his spear, and it was just next to him. He must have known what he was up against, how easily he could die. Still he started to fight just with his wristblades, however he was unblooded. The way he could survive that long is respectful though meaningless. His death was in vain.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
Dude I have seen a lot, I mean A LOT of people, most aliens fans that keep saying that all the aliens were dumb, that no way a predator would kill so much them even thought Wolf killed most of the aliens with long raged weapons
And if you bothered to read those posts, you'd see they were complaining pretty specifically about how Wolf went toe-to-toe with Aliens so much and kept getting out without a fight.
QuoteAnd preds arent weak too so I guess there wasnt any problem with the 2 aliens being hold by the neck.
No-one ever said there was.
There is, however, a problem with the Aliens hanging there doing nothing.
Quote... instead of just killing the alien
Read what I wrote.
While wrestling.
As in, while the Alien was physically on him.
He couldn't kill it. One, the second he freed the Alien enough, it'd pin him, as we saw in the fight. Two, if he somehow
did get a weapon out, the Alien is
right on him and, and that thing bleeds acid.
Quote... instead of just killing the alien
Read what I wrote
While wrestling.
As in, while the Alien was physically on him.
He couldn't kill it. One, the second he freed the Alien enough, it'd pin him, as we saw in the fight. Two, if he somehow did get a weapon out, the Alien is right on him and, and that thing bleeds acid.
It looked to me as if Grid was holding down his wrist blade arm in one scene with both claws. When it comes to that fight I really hated how Celtic got handled....I'm not saying his death was unbelievable, I just think he should of lasted longer then that. Not going out in the first fight he got in. But he did strike me as the cocky type so in a way that's kind of what you get. But that fight scene did set my mind at rest as it made very clear that Predators were more then capable of throwing around Aliens, and likewise that Aliens could do the same to Predators.
My only really problem with AvP other then the PG-13 rating and the ninja turtle looking Preds, was the ultra ghey team up. Technically that woman didn't save scar but saved herself....at that point sure a Pred would respect her for killing an alien...but more like "Ok I won't kill you, here's a weapon good luck bitch" not "Lets hold hands and borderline make out at the end of the movie". I mean it's just really pushing it for a human female who seriously got lucky and killed an Alien to earn the respect from a race with a culture were even the wrong look towards one of your leaders can get you slaughtered. Where honor and respect are everything and are not given quickly or taken lightly. Break the rules and your hunted down by your own kind. If they had teamed up after she blasted the Alien off his back it it would of been a bit more believable.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
He reacted as quickly as possible to deal with what was going on. Pretty much as soon as he saw it was an alien, it was on him.
He went in the alien direction... not very smart if you ask me
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
People complain about the aliens being stupid and Wolf just walking through them unscathed; no one complains about them being killed at range by caster or otherwise.
Like I said before I have already seen a lot of people complaing about almost every alien deatch in AVPR
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
How is it humiliating? It showed that a predator could be killed. Aliens bust through inches thick steel doors, I doubt throwing a corpse is much of a work out for it.
It showed that a pred could be lifted and throwed like nothing by a alien and his 3 meter magic tail
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
There wasn't much it could have done at that moment. He had to get the alien off before he could kill it. Just showing that a pred could fight with an alien like that is big a big boost for the preds.
He could do that
after he got the alien off him
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
Again, he didn't have his spear or the time to safely get it. Also, I'm not sure Celtic has any shurikens at his disposal. He used what weapons he could when he could.
He had shurikens
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
He didn't have any armor on his back that the tail went through IIRC. Even if he did though, an alien could feasibly get through it. The aliens have been shown deflecting 10mm explosive tipped light armor piercing rifle rounds, yet the predators weapons can break their armor (skin). The aliens have incredible strength, and it isn't impossible for them to break predator armor.
He had armor and now a alien tail is stronger than a bullet? The normal aliens's tail weren't even suppose to be spear like... it was more a stinger tail
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
Which is what Celtic did. It lost the same way Anytime and Pussyface lost; overconfidence.
Anytime and Pussyface had to lost so that the main character would win, Anderson decided to kill Celtic off just because he wanted to.
And a alien is very different from a human, Anytime decided to have a good time with Dutch bacause he didn't have weapons but the alien is a... weapon in some way
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
The spear wasn't immediately next to him. I don't remember him having shurikens, but perhaps he did.
Also, the "young teenage" pred thing isn't literal. PWA used that as an analogy to human coming of age rituals. These were supposed to be experienced hunters going through a test to become elites. They were supposed to be more experienced than Anytime or Pussyface. That said, they were not experienced against aliens.
And you care about Paul Anderson opinion?
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
Even if it was there, the aliens could still be able to break it.
So aliens can but not guns...
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
The pred couldn't kill the alien there; cutting the tail was even a risky move. After it cut the tail and saw the acid blood, it knew that damaging it up close would be a bad thing (unless Celtic wanted an acid bath).
What about the end of the fight, Celtic was planning to stab Grid anyway. But he could have used his spear or shuriken from far and his armor would protect him
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 09:23:29 PM
And if you bothered to read those posts, you'd see they were complaining pretty specifically about how Wolf went toe-to-toe with Aliens so much and kept getting out without a fight.
So its my fault now? :P
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 09:23:29 PM
No-one ever said there was.
There is, however, a problem with the Aliens hanging there doing nothing.
I agree
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 09:23:29 PM
Read what I wrote.
While wrestling.
As in, while the Alien was physically on him.
He couldn't kill it. One, the second he freed the Alien enough, it'd pin him, as we saw in the fight. Two, if he somehow did get a weapon out, the Alien is right on him and, and that thing bleeds acid.
He could have stay far from the alien and the pred's armor may protect Celtic
Grid threw acid right at him when Celtic charged him, and the acid burnt through the acid to the point where Celtic had to remove it. And keeping his distance from the Alien wouldn't have done him anything good because he didn't have any ranged weapons.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 03, 2010, 10:51:00 PM
Grid threw acid right at him when Celtic charged him, and the acid burnt through the acid to the point where Celtic had to remove it. And keeping his distance from the Alien wouldn't have done him anything good because he didn't have any ranged weapons.
He had the shuriken, he could get his spear or even shoot the alien with the netgun
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 03, 2010, 10:42:28 PM
Like I said before I have already seen a lot of people complaing about almost every alien deatch in AVPR
Every hand-to-hand death, sure.
QuoteIt showed that a pred could be lifted and throwed like nothing by a alien and his 3 meter magic tail
And? He was, literally, dead weight at that point.
Celtic threw Grid like he was nothing - I don't hear Alien fans bitching.
QuoteHe had armor and now a alien tail is stronger than a bullet?
Why not?
But if it makes you feel better, the Predators were inexplicably wearing weaker armour. Celtic has bullet holes in his chest plate from when Quinn shot him.
QuoteThe normal aliens's tail weren't even suppose to be spear like... it was more a stinger tail
Not since
Alien 3, they haven't.
QuoteAnytime and Pussyface had to lost so that the main character would win, Anderson decided to kill Celtic off just because he wanted to.
Anderson killed Celtic off because they had a limited time and budget with which to shoot the movie, and couldn't waste it on another extraneous fight-scene just to kill Celtic later.
QuoteSo aliens can but not guns...
You haven't really said why this is a bad thing. Aliens can beat down metal doors. Guns can't.
QuoteWhat about the end of the fight, Celtic was planning to stab Grid anyway. But he could have used his spear or shuriken from far and his armor would protect him
Clearly he wanted a more personal kill. He didn't figure the Alien was going anywhere.
QuoteHe could have stay far from the alien and the pred's armor may protect Celtic
Net-gun is relatively slow-moving (The Aliens dodged the shoulder cannons, which shoot a faster projectile), not good at too long a range. The armour clearly wasn't going to protect shit. As for why he didn't use the shurikens, who knows, but during a fight you typically don't think straight.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Every hand-to-hand death, sure.
Not really...and which are the hand-to-hand deaths you are talking about?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
And? He was, literally, dead weight at that point.
Celtic threw Grid like he was nothing - I don't hear Alien fans bitching.
Celtic used all his body streng, Grid used his tail
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Why not?
But if it makes you feel better, the Predators were inexplicably wearing weaker armour. Celtic has bullet holes in his chest plate from when Quinn shot him.
So now its ok that the preds started to use cheap armor?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Not since Alien 3, they haven't.
And since Alien 3 the aliens stopped being biomechanical... I personally blame ADI for those things but whatever
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Anderson killed Celtic off because they had a limited time and budget with which to shoot the movie, and couldn't waste it on another extraneous fight-scene just to kill Celtic later.
:P
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
You haven't really said why this is a bad thing. Aliens can beat down metal doors. Guns can't.
Its true :o
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Clearly he wanted a more personal kill. He didn't figure the Alien was going anywhere.
Yep... Anderson made him that stupid
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Net-gun is relatively slow-moving (The Aliens dodged the shoulder cannons, which shoot a faster projectile), not good at too long a range. The armour clearly wasn't going to protect shit. As for why he didn't use the shurikens, who knows, but during a fight you typically don't think straight.
So a creature that is smarter, stronger and that probaly know how to fight better than humans cant think straight in a fight?
A lot of humans fighters usually think straight but a predator that had trained much more than human cant?
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:18:59 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Every hand-to-hand death, sure.
Not really...and which are the hand-to-hand fights you are talking about?
The sewer and the hospital. The only time Wolf got his hands on them.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 04, 2010, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:18:59 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 03, 2010, 11:18:07 PM
Every hand-to-hand death, sure.
Not really...and which are the hand-to-hand fights you are talking about?
The sewer and the hospital. The only time Wolf got his hands on them.
Sorry... I mean hand-to-hand
deaths
QuoteCeltic used all his body streng, Grid used his tail
Aaand ... ? Aliens are strong.
QuoteSo now its ok that the preds started to use cheap armor?
No, it's balls-out retarded.
QuoteYep... Anderson made him that stupid
Made him cocky.
QuoteSo a creature that is smarter, stronger and that probaly know how to fight better than humans cant think straight in a fight?
A lot of humans fighters usually think straight but a predator that had trained much more than human cant?
A lot of human fighters DON'T think straight. There's so much adrenaline going through the system that fine motor skills are all but impossible, and thinking straight becomes difficult. Celtic is a trained
hunter, sure - But hunters typically aren't locked in a cage with a lion and told to fight to the death.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:24:42 AM
Sorry... I mean hand-to-hand deatchs
Sports shop, hospital.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Aaand ... ? Aliens are strong.
I just dont think a alien is strong enough do something like that to a pred
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Made him cocky.
Just to make Grid win.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
A lot of human fighters DON'T think straight. There's so much adrenaline going through the system that fine motor skills are all but impossible, and thinking straight becomes difficult. Celtic is a trained hunter, sure - But hunters typically aren't locked in a cage with a lion and told to fight to the death.
I do taekwondo and boxing, and if it is a serious fight I really tend to think straight and not just me but a lot of people that I know that do some kind of fight.
If the hunter is 2,5 meter tall, strong like hell, and have wristblades then I guess he have a chance
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Sports shop, hospital.
- Sports shop: Only if you mean the alien that jumped at Wolf but he throwed him away and blowed him... I wouldnt say really a hand-to-hand death
- Hospital: the first alien kind of had a hand-to-hand fight but died by the cannon, the third was... ''punched'' by Wolf so I guess we can say it was a hand-to-hand fight... in some way
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:47:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Made him cocky.
Just to make Grid win.
So? John McTiernan and the Thomas brothers made Anytime cocky so that Dutch could win.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:47:36 AM
I just dont think a alien is strong enough do something like that to a pred
Why?
QuoteJust to make Grid win.
And advance the plot.
QuoteI do taekwondo and boxing, and if it is a serious fight I really tend to think straight and not just me but a lot of people that I know that do some kind of fight.
I have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. My brother is a martial arts instructor. In a controlled fight, sure, you can think straight, but in a real fighting situation most of what you learn goes out the window.
Ever watched UFC? They spend forever explaining in detail all the training in all the wondrous martial arts and fighting styles these guys have, but it always comes down to them trying to punch each other in the dick. Why? Cos most of the time they're too pumped to do anything but swing and grapple.
You stick someone who's trained to
hunt his prey into a hand to hand fight with one of his prey, and chances are he's going to freak. Hunting isn't about getting into fights.
Quote- Sports shop: Only if you mean the alien that jumped at Wolf but he that throwed him away and blowed him... I wouldnt say really a hand-to-hand death
Using the whip to decapitate the Alien from behind. It does nothing, just wriggles a little bit. It's not even like the Predator was quiet about it.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 12:54:25 AM
So? John McTiernan and the Thomas brothers made Anytime cocky so that Dutch could win.
Dutch was the main character, the hero of the movie, he couldnt die.
But Anytime just got cocky because he was in total control of the situation againt a prey that couldn't even fight back, the Celtic vs Grid fight was different
Not really.
Grid was in a net. Far as Celtic knew, he was in total control of the situation against a prey that couldn't fight back.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:47:36 AM
.
I just dont think a alien is strong enough do something like that to a pred
Why not? They can easily break inches thick steel doors, dead lift fully geared marines. They are very strong (arguably much stronger than preds given the source material)
Quote
Just to make Grid win.
Yes, the "lead" alien. PWA killed Celtic in a manner that was consistent with the predators we had seen before.
QuoteI do taekwondo and boxing, and if it is a serious fight I really tend to think straight and not just me but a lot of people that I know that do some kind of fight.
If the hunter is 2,5 meter tail, strong like hell, and have wristblades then I guess he have a chance
The hunter was taken off guard and put in a situation it had never been in and where it was at a big disadvantage.
Quote
Yep... Anderson made him that stupid
Except he didn't make that up, that was a trait that both main preds before him had. Also, he thought he had passed this elite test (without the shoulder cannon he was supposed to have for it), it would be understandable that he wanted to savor the moment.
QuoteHe went in the alien direction... not very smart if you ask me
His options were rather limited. He couldn't turn his back to the beast, so heading towards it was the best option at that moment. Also consider that they have never faced aliens before, he didn't exactly know what he was getting into.
QuoteIt showed that a pred could be lifted and throwed like nothing by a alien and his 3 meter magic tail
Again, the tail is just a goof. If it was standard length, the kill and throw would still be very possible. Aliens are strong, they can throw dead weight.
QuoteHe had armor and now a alien tail is stronger than a bullet? The normal aliens's tail weren't even suppose to be spear like... it was more a stinger tail
What SiL said.
QuoteAnytime and Pussyface had to lost so that the main character would win, Anderson decided to kill Celtic off just because he wanted to.
Anderson did it so the lead alien would win. Same thing.
QuoteAnd a alien is very different from a human, Anytime decided to have a good time with Dutch bacause he didn't have weapons but the alien is a... weapon in some way
The pred was unfamiliar with an alien and could easily be explained as savoring the moment he passed his test.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 03, 2010, 08:21:56 PM
And you care about Paul Anderson opinion?
Not particularly. Considering though that it was his intent and what is being portrayed, it is rather crucial. They weren't inexperienced teenage preds, quite the opposite. "Teenage" was a metaphor.
Quote
So aliens can but not guns...
Yup. Why not? They are very strong.
Quote
What about the end of the fight, Celtic was planning to stab Grid anyway. But he could have used his spear or shuriken from far and his armor would protect him
Well, he didn't have his spear in that hole. Really, I think he just wanted to savor the kill (being that it was so important, he did it without the shoulder cannon, and that preds tend to do this with big kills).
Quote
He could have stay far from the alien and the pred's armor may protect Celtic
He tried to keep it away (with a bit of success), and it wouldn't have protected him. Even if it was acid proof (which it wasn't) it didn't cover his whole body. He would have gotten acid on him and died (or at least be very seriously injured and potentially crippled). Would have been a very stupid move.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:59:05 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 12:54:25 AM
So? John McTiernan and the Thomas brothers made Anytime cocky so that Dutch could win.
Dutch was the main character, the hero of the movie, he couldnt die.
But Anytime just got cocky because he was in total control of the situation againt a prey that couldn't even fight back, the Celtic vs Grid fight was different
Doesn't change the fact that they made the Predator cocky so that it could lose in a fight.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:58:04 AM
Why?
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 04, 2010, 01:14:37 AM
Why not? They can easily break inches thick steel doors, dead lift fully geared marines. They are very strong (arguably much stronger than preds given the source material)
Preds are big, heavy and just as tall as the aliens, if the alien grabbed the pred with his hands and lifted him then maybe I would accept but only with his tail? No...
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:58:04 AM
And advance the plot.
And Celtic is the one who have to suffer to ''advance the plot''? Poor pred... :P
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:58:04 AM
I have a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. My brother is a martial arts instructor. In a controlled fight, sure, you can think straight, but in a real fighting situation most of what you learn goes out the window.
Ever watched UFC? They spend forever explaining in detail all the training in all the wondrous martial arts and fighting styles these guys have, but it always comes down to them trying to punch each other in the dick. Why? Cos most of the time they're too pumped to do anything but swing and grapple.
You stick someone who's trained to hunt his prey into a hand to hand fight with one of his prey, and chances are he's going to freak. Hunting isn't about getting into fights.
I have a black belt too but in the end... its just a
belt.
Some fighters think straigh some not, but you cant really compare humans fighters to preds.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:58:04 AM
Using the whip to decapitate the Alien from behind. It does nothing, just wriggles a little bit. It's not even like the Predator was quiet about it.
Now that you mentioned it...
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 01:01:19 AM
Not really.
Grid was in a net. Far as Celtic knew, he was in total control of the situation against a prey that couldn't fight back.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 04, 2010, 01:14:37 AM
Well, he didn't have his spear in that hole. Really, I think he just wanted to savor the kill (being that it was so important, he did it without the shoulder cannon, and that preds tend to do this with big kills).
Its a f**king alien... anyone with a brain would kill the alien as fast as possible if it was in total control of the situation. Alien are much more dangerous than a unarmed human and I hoped Celtic knew that
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 01:14:49 AM
Doesn't change the fact that they made the Predator cocky so that it could lose in a fight.
I think there is a difference between being cocky againt a unarmed human and a alien
How would Celtic know that? He never fought one before. They don't have all the knowledge we have about them.
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 01:17:18 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:58:04 AM
Why?
Preds are big, heavy and just as tall as the aliens, if the alien grabbed the pred with his hands and lifted him then maybe I would accept but only with his tail? No...
Why not with only its tail? On many creatures (monkeys, opossums, stegosaurus), the tail is one of the strongest appendages.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 04, 2010, 01:19:54 AM
How would Celtic know that? He never fought one before. They don't have all the knowledge we have about them.
He was fighting one... and he didnt notice any difference between a alien and a human?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 01:22:54 AM
Why not with only its tail? On many creatures (monkeys, opossums, stegosaurus), the tail is one of the strongest appendages.
Wait... did you just compared a alien to a monkey?
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 01:39:07 AM
He was fighting one... and he didnt notice any difference between a alien and a human?
Obviously he did. He still thought he had it trapped in a net though.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 04, 2010, 02:02:23 AM
Obviously he did. He still thought he had it trapped in a net though.
Yep, but instead of killing the bastard he decided to go walk
very slow... he was acting more like michael myers than a predator
Savouring the kill, just like the original Predator walking very slowly towards Dutch, despite knowing he had laid traps.
QuoteWait... did you just compared a alien to a monkey?
Wait.. is that a bad thing? The tail is prehensile therefore has similarities.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:47:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Made him cocky.
Just to make Grid win.
So? John McTiernan and the Thomas brothers made Anytime cocky so that Dutch could win.
That's different. Dutch had script immunity. In AvP, the fight could've gone either way and given that Anderson is an admitted Alien fanboy...
Heaven forbid there was a plot to consider.
Meaning? Celtic had to die?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 04, 2010, 07:25:46 AM
Meaning? Celtic had to die?
Outside of satiating fanboys, pretty much.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 04, 2010, 06:53:44 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 04, 2010, 12:54:25 AM
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 12:47:36 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 12:25:27 AM
Made him cocky.
Just to make Grid win.
So? John McTiernan and the Thomas brothers made Anytime cocky so that Dutch could win.
That's different. Dutch had script immunity. In AvP, the fight could've gone either way and given that Anderson is an admitted Alien fanboy...
Celtic should have lost that fight though. The alien deserved to win the only hand to hand fight. Really that Celtic did so well and almost won, losing to overconfidence, is remarkable.
My problem with the two pred deaths isn't the manner in which they happen, but that they happen so close together.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 08:15:12 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 04, 2010, 07:25:46 AM
Meaning? Celtic had to die?
Outside of satiating fanboys, pretty much.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 04, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
Celtic should have lost that fight though. The alien deserved to win the only hand to hand fight. Really that Celtic did so well and almost won, losing to overconfidence, is remarkable.
My problem with the two pred deaths isn't the manner in which they happen, but that they happen so close together.
Celtic should lose the fight, he had to lose? The alien deserved to win?
Poor Celtic... everyone is againt him, including Paul Anderson :-[
QuoteMy problem with the two pred deaths isn't the manner in which they happen, but that they happen so close together.
That's something I don't really like /get either. The whole film could have been more interesting (aside other things I didn't like :-\) if he could have lived on. This way it was like *Ok guys, we need to finish it quickly, finish the sobs already!* I think it was poor direction. Making Celtic look stupid is something I don't like but can accept. But I don't understand why didn't he die later on, so he could keep the pressure.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Feb 04, 2010, 02:02:36 PM
QuoteMy problem with the two pred deaths isn't the manner in which they happen, but that they happen so close together.
That's something I don't really like /get either. The whole film could have been more interesting (aside other things I didn't like :-\) if he could have lived on. This way it was like *Ok guys, we need to finish it quickly, finish the sobs already!* I think it was poor direction. Making Celtic look stupid is something I don't like but can accept. But I don't understand why didn't he die later on, so he could keep the pressure.
They didn't have enough money :-\
Quote from: SamHain on Feb 04, 2010, 01:58:50 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2010, 08:15:12 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 04, 2010, 07:25:46 AM
Meaning? Celtic had to die?
Outside of satiating fanboys, pretty much.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 04, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
Celtic should have lost that fight though. The alien deserved to win the only hand to hand fight. Really that Celtic did so well and almost won, losing to overconfidence, is remarkable.
My problem with the two pred deaths isn't the manner in which they happen, but that they happen so close together.
Celtic should lose the fight, he had to lose? The alien deserved to win?
Poor Celtic... everyone is againt him, including Paul Anderson :-[
When there is really only one hand to hand fight, yes. If they had more, it would be different.
QuoteThey didn't have enough money :-\
But..uhm.. nooo!
Thanks for the answer! :)
I think both these movies required a bigger budget to play around with.
End of the day, you have two franchies in one film, it would have made sense for 20th centuary Fox to give them the money to make them something special.
Even though I enjoyed both movies, I know they could have been sooo much more. All I'll hope for is one day we will see that.
Listening to the commentary on AVP R, the brothers constantly repeat e.g. "Urmm we wanted to do this, but couldnt cause of budget" or "urmmm we wanted this to happen but we didnt have the money"....
The brothers did their best with very little...
Like I said though, enjoyed them both, they had the Alien and Predator for christ sake! I'm just not the type to moan, we just arn't the ones trying to make a movie under a studio that likes to rape franchises.
Neither film needed a bigger budget. They just needed someone who knew how to stretch it, which is what I will credit Paul Anderson with. The Brothers, not so much.
Let's be honest. Both movies are retarded. I dig Requiem more, because I thought a couple of scenes really captured the mood of the original movies. Plus it gave us two things we wanted; plenty of Aliens fighting a Predator, and dumb humans dying in a variety of gory ways.
It could have been better; but from what I understand when the Strauss brothers were brought on, they weren't allowed to change the script by Fox. I think they have significant talent, and would love to see a 3rd film set in space with a good script.
Quote from: Inglorious on Feb 05, 2010, 03:08:51 AM
Let's be honest. Both movies are retarded. I dig Requiem more, because I thought a couple of scenes really captured the mood of the original movies. Plus it gave us two things we wanted; plenty of Aliens fighting a Predator, and dumb humans dying in a variety of gory ways.
It could have been better; but from what I understand when the Strauss brothers were brought on, they weren't allowed to change the script by Fox. I think they have significant talent, and would love to see a 3rd film set in space with a good script.
You do know they wanted a dinosaur sized Alien, right?
Quote from: Inglorious on Feb 05, 2010, 03:08:51 AM
Let's be honest. Both movies are retarded.
That's a matter of opinion, obviously. I'm sure there are people here who love both of them.
Quote... it gave us two things we wanted; plenty of Aliens fighting a Predator, and dumb humans dying in a variety of gory ways.
But this is what I really take exception to. Why would I want "dumb humans dying in a variety of gory ways"? Who cares about gore that much, and more importantly, why would I want the humans to be dumb? Why not make them likable and sympathetic? I'm not just going to root for the monster - if you make a GOOD movie, then you care about the human protagonists.
QuoteIt could have been better; but from what I understand when the Strauss brothers were brought on, they weren't allowed to change the script by Fox.
They did change it somewhat, but not in any REALLY SIGNIFICANT way. I mean, we know they insisted on doing the skinning scene.
Keep in mind I'm not saying they're on par with Ingmar Bergman or anything. That idea could be so retarded that it's awesome. If you think about it, is it any worse than the 50 foot Alien Queen at the end of AVP? It may be kinda' cool to see a T-rex Alien Hybrid.
Quote from: Inglorious on Feb 05, 2010, 03:19:39 AM
If you think about it, is it any worse than the 50 foot Alien Queen at the end of AVP?
If the queen stood fully upright in Aliens, she's not much shorter at all.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Feb 05, 2010, 03:17:27 AM
But this is what I really take exception to. Why would I want "dumb humans dying in a variety of gory ways"? Who cares about gore that much, and more importantly, why would I want the humans to be dumb? Why not make them likable and sympathetic? I'm not just going to root for the monster - if you make a GOOD movie, then you care about the human protagonists.
I understand. But in the case of an AVP movie with unlikable stock characters, I'm saying at least we get to see them die in satisfying ways. Unlike the first AVP which also had unlikeable stock characters. Not trying to be a smart ass, but I thought we were supposed to root for Wolf in that movie?
QuoteIf the queen stood fully upright in Aliens, she's not much shorter at all.
The Aliens Queen is described as being 14 feet tall - which I believe is in the normal leaning forward stance. Even if she stood up right, it's a long way off 50 feet.
QuoteThey did change it somewhat, but not in any REALLY SIGNIFICANT way. I mean, we know they insisted on doing the skinning scene.
Did they? I thought the studio forced them to do that as they weren't keen on it.
They kept saying the script had changed since the negative AICN review, though it doesn't seem to have changed much.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Feb 05, 2010, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: Inglorious on Feb 05, 2010, 03:08:51 AM
Let's be honest. Both movies are retarded. I dig Requiem more, because I thought a couple of scenes really captured the mood of the original movies. Plus it gave us two things we wanted; plenty of Aliens fighting a Predator, and dumb humans dying in a variety of gory ways.
It could have been better; but from what I understand when the Strauss brothers were brought on, they weren't allowed to change the script by Fox. I think they have significant talent, and would love to see a 3rd film set in space with a good script.
You do know they wanted a dinosaur sized Alien, right?
There was suppose to have a scene in ALIEN that showed a alien that big, the space jockey alien, and it have been showed in many comics differents kinds of aliens, thought most of them are bad ideas.
So its not like the strauses were the ones who started that
I'm going to go with AVP over AVPR. I for one, don't mind the PG-13 rating it got, as the creature fights were gory, but the human deaths were not, and they didn't need to be. Look at the original Alien. Also I AVP had better human characters, it was closely based on the comics, and I didn't need to see in the dark to watch it. Still I can enjoy watching AVPR when I'm bored but its the worst out of all the Aliens/Predator/AVP films IMO.
Quote from: Inglorious on Feb 05, 2010, 03:08:51 AM
It could have been better; but from what I understand when the Strauss brothers were brought on, they weren't allowed to change the script by Fox.
They changed plenty.
Exactly. The first script planned to kill the Predalien in the first minutes.
If only they'd kept that. We wouldn't have had to stare at its hideous (in a bad way) and retarded design for the rest of the movie.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 05, 2010, 11:53:02 PM
If only they'd kept that. We wouldn't have had to stare at its hideous (in a bad way) and retarded design for the rest of the movie.
The design doesn't bug me that much...
...it's more how they made it act, it's character...
But it could be worse, look at the Gi Joe movie,
They could have made Wolf and Chet lovers...
AvP. The only reason I liked it more than AvP:R is because the big battle between the Aliens and Predators, with Grid kicking some serious Predator ass, was f**king wicked. Plus I liked the new Queen design. Can't say the same about AvP:R, with Wolf killing everything that moved, and the shitfaced Predalien.
Hive Tyrant, the Escape hatch is that way. Take it before the Predator Fans take you! :o
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 06, 2010, 08:03:56 PM
Hive Tyrant, the Escape hatch is that way. Take it before the Predator Fans take you! :o
Hey, it's not my fault they totally underpowered the Aliens in AvP:R and let the Predalien do its job. On the other hand, I am fully aware that the Predators in AvP were rookies and Wolf was an elite.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Feb 06, 2010, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 06, 2010, 08:03:56 PM
Hive Tyrant, the Escape hatch is that way. Take it before the Predator Fans take you! :o
Hey, it's not my fault they totally underpowered the Aliens in AvP:R and let the Predalien do its job. On the other hand, I am fully aware that the Predators in AvP were rookies and Wolf was an elite.
@ Hive Tyrant!
*high five*
As a Predator fan I'm here to help you! It's so nice and unique to meet here someone who prefer AvP... ;D
@OmegaZilla, don't scare! ;D
Quote from: keylight-di on Feb 06, 2010, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Feb 06, 2010, 09:09:34 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 06, 2010, 08:03:56 PM
Hive Tyrant, the Escape hatch is that way. Take it before the Predator Fans take you! :o
Hey, it's not my fault they totally underpowered the Aliens in AvP:R and let the Predalien do its job. On the other hand, I am fully aware that the Predators in AvP were rookies and Wolf was an elite.
@ Hive Tyrant!
*high five*
As a Predator fan I'm here to help you! It's so nice and unique to meet here someone who prefer AvP... ;D
It is? 47% of AvP Galaxy seems to disagree. :P
So why OmegaZilla warned you, huh?
Try to read this thread, Young Blood... ;)
Statistics, the biggest lie in universe... ;D
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Feb 06, 2010, 07:48:09 PM
AvP. The only reason I liked it more than AvP:R is because the big battle between the Aliens and Predators, with Grid kicking some serious Predator ass, was f**king wicked. Plus I liked the new Queen design. Can't say the same about AvP:R, with Wolf killing everything that moved, and the shitfaced Predalien.
What big battle? There was a big battle?
Doom? Seriously?
It was the bit where the....Oh yeah.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 07, 2010, 12:31:52 AM
What big battle? There was a big battle?
There were
2. :)
Really? Hm...oh ya, Celtic and Grid's wrestling match, and what was the other one?
The race at the end? Not much of a battle.
At least it looked more like a fight than those in AvPR...
The AvP:R fights kept me awake. Good enough for me.
How many times did you watch AvP?
Once.
Trust me, watch it another time. I fell asleep the first time I watched Matrix, but in a second watch I really liked it. Sure, there's no comparison, but I'm sure a "first watch" can't reall be the final judgement on a film. ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 07, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
The race at the end? Not much of a battle.
I saw no race. I saw the Queen chase Lex for maybe a solid minute, that was it.
I just remember a whole lot of running.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 07, 2010, 07:07:01 PM
At least it looked more like a fight than those in AvPR...
That's because it looked like something other than a dark blob moving around.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2010, 08:45:01 AM
Once.
Ah ha. That would explain everything. AvP is a film that can get (slightly) better with repeated viewings.
At least it did for me. I hated the film when I first saw it.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Feb 08, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 07, 2010, 07:07:01 PM
At least it looked more like a fight than those in AvPR...
That's because it looked like something other than a dark blob moving around.
That's not what I saw.
Quote from: Bishop2 on Feb 08, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 07, 2010, 07:07:01 PM
At least it looked more like a fight than those in AvPR...
That's because it looked like something other than a dark blob moving around.
Didn't you know? The real threat in AvPR is a giant Flesh consuming shapeless monster ;) ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 08, 2010, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: Bishop2 on Feb 08, 2010, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 07, 2010, 07:07:01 PM
At least it looked more like a fight than those in AvPR...
That's because it looked like something other than a dark blob moving around.
That's not what I saw.
I think you have super-vision, Doom. Everybody else, it seems, (including myself) couldn't see a thing.
Nope, I have standard 20/20 just like everyone else.
Least, I think, like everyone else.
Are you from Krypton? :o
If you're seeing things fine, then that's cool.
But we sure as hell can't, and therefore we can't judge the movie on the same basis as you can. We're all perceiving dark darkness with a side-dish of shadow, which is ultimately thankful because whenever I see the movie stills lit up, a chestburster is prematurely aborted.
But, the film is not. Too. Dark. If it was, how the hell then can I claim to see anything? There's nothing wrong with the lighting. It's the colour grading that was screwed up.
Then we all have collectively screwed up eyesight and you're seeing things correctly.
Whatever the issue is, we can't properly see what's going on.
I've only seen AvP:R I think twice, but honestly, I don't remember the lighting being that big of an issue. It was bad at times, but I don't remember it being too dark to see anything. The lighting is the least of my problems with that film.
Been a long while since I've seen it though.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 09, 2010, 05:46:49 AM
I've only seen AvP:R I think twice, but honestly, I don't remember the lighting being that big of an issue. It was bad at times, but I don't remember it being to dark to see anything. The lighting is the least of my problems with that film.
Been a long while since I've seen it though.
Were you tripping on acid? It was way to dark at times.
I said it was bad at times.
Either way, I'm far more concerned with story, characters, portrayal of species, acting... things of real substance.
All of which were awful.
Quote from: Eidotemit on Feb 09, 2010, 11:00:12 AM
Either way, I'm far more concerned with story, characters, portrayal of species, acting... things of real substance.
I have to agree with you there. I can't see why people are still so hung up about the lighting aspect. The rest of the movie sucked just as much if not more.
My favorite was avpr because it was a fun rated r movie to watch. The predator looked and acted cool. Same with aliens. But the darkness barely affected me it set the movies tone! So in all avpr is my pick
I'm new to the forum so I thought I'd share my opinion here first. I don't have the time nor patience to read through all of the 117 pages of this thread so please forgive me if I repeat something someone else has already said.
Since Predator hinted that Aliens and Predators were part of the same universe I have been deeply excited and interested in the whole concept. My hopes were forfilled with the release of the AVP, AVP 2 and Primal Hunt on pc. The games were dark and really had the feel of the original movies. Since then I had long expected a film, but had to wait so long.
I hate Fox for allowing Paul W.S. Anderson to create the first film. That man (in my opinion) also ruined the Resident Evil films, which I had been a fan of the game from a young age. I feel like he took other peoples ideas and tried to make them his own. As a fan, I want to see what a game would look like in real life, not someone elses idea with different characters and different stories. I felt that AVP the movie was doomed the moment it was set on Earth, in the ice, in a pyramid. Who builds pyramids in the ice anyway?? I believe the should have stayed true to the games and introduced the Predator into the Alien world. The Aliens in the film were no where near as scary as they should have been.
That said I think the lads who directed AVPR done a better job. It's just a shame they did it as a follow on from the first movie as I believe if they had directed the first one, it could have been a much better picture.
I am so looking forward to the new game. I think it has the atmosphere that all AVP fans crave, with better graphics than previous titles. And hope that if they do make an AVP 3 film, it is better than it's two predecessors.
Taxemic
Quote from: Taxemic on Feb 11, 2010, 11:56:44 PM
I hate Fox for allowing Paul W.S. Anderson to create the first film. That man (in my opinion) also ruined the Resident Evil films, which I had been a fan of the game from a young age. I feel like he took other peoples ideas and tried to make them his own. As a fan, I want to see what a game would look like in real life, not someone elses idea with different characters and different stories.
Shane Salerno wrote the script, not Anderson.
Quote from: Taxemic on Feb 11, 2010, 11:56:44 PMI felt that AVP the movie was doomed the moment it was set on Earth, in the ice, in a pyramid. Who builds pyramids in the ice anyway??
No-one. The regions currently coated in ice were lush when the pyramids were built, as the film makes clear.
Quote from: Taxemic on Feb 11, 2010, 11:56:44 PMI believe the should have stayed true to the games and introduced the Predator into the Alien world. The Aliens in the film were no where near as scary as they should have been.
Almost everyone agrees on this.
Quote from: Taxemic on Feb 11, 2010, 11:56:44 PMThat said I think the lads who directed AVPR done a better job. It's just a shame they did it as a follow on from the first movie as I believe if they had directed the first one, it could have been a much better picture.
Oh Christ no.
At least AvP1's one, earnest Alien-fights-Predator fight scene was tense and kept us guessing. Requiem's scenes were all flaccid with predictability. There's a formula.
Are there Aliens? If yes,
Is the Predator in the scene? If yes,
Aliens suffer from crippling mental damage. Then,
Predator kicks them around like a grown man kicking around toddlers.
The Aliens were rendered a non-issue and Wolf fought like a schoolyard bully. He left himself open, didn't fight ruthlessly and went out of his way to do dumb things that contradicted his mission.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 12, 2010, 01:12:57 AM
Shane Salerno wrote the script, not Anderson.
Anderson wrote AvP, Salerno did rewrites.
I choose to blame Salerno retroactively due to AvPR.
I blame everyone.
I got nothing against Anderson, infact Event Horizon is one of my favourite horror films. As far as the film goes though, I bet there are more than a few members of this forum who could have wrote a better, more original concept. For the majority it seems that both films have dissapointed fans. I think we deserve the game NOW lol. Will anyone ever come close to the originals? hmmm
Probably not. Most scripts will favour one of the two species, destroying the horror of the other one. One of AvP1's few strong points was its balanced perspective.
QuoteNo-one. The regions currently coated in ice were lush when the pyramids were built, as the film makes clear.
So the pyramids were built in the mesozoic?
No one else noticed how retarded that statement was? Sure, Antarctica was lush, but it was tens of millions of years ago.
That's the movie's justification, not mine.
I never said it was yours.
Yeah, it was a really bad excuse. People have called it out before.
As far as things to bash the movie about, though, that is not at the top of my list.
Quote from: Puks on Feb 13, 2010, 11:06:58 AM
QuoteNo-one. The regions currently coated in ice were lush when the pyramids were built, as the film makes clear.
So the pyramids were built in the mesozoic?
No one else noticed how retarded that statement was? Sure, Antarctica was lush, but it was tens of millions of years ago.
And tens of millions of years ago, Antarctica was indeed lush and devoid of ice. Dinosaurs used to live there.
Not quite sure you got his point, Doom. :-\
You're right, I didn't. He said "Mesozoic" which was completely off, because humans didn't live back then. I don't remember Sebastian ever mentioning Mesozoic.
He didn't but it was devoid of ice them. Anytime during human civilization and city building, it was covered with ice though. :-\
Just a bit of artistic license.
There was a deleted scene that didn't make it onto the DVD (I wonder why?) where whatshisface continues to translate the glyphics and reveals that the predators actually created all the ice in that region to bury the pyramid once things got out of control. It's basically Alien 3 all over again, Anderson wrote an intelligent script and Fox butchered the film to hell. See also: Event Horizon.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 18, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
There was a deleted scene that didn't make it onto the DVD (I wonder why?) where whatshisface continues to translate the glyphics and reveals that the predators actually created all the ice in that region to bury the pyramid once things got out of control. It's basically Alien 3 all over again, Anderson wrote an intelligent script and Fox butchered the film to hell. See also: Event Horizon.
Hm. Yes, I'm sure the global climate shifts had nothing to do with it. Must've been the Predators!
Don't like that idea.
QuoteAnderson wrote an intelligent script
Sorry, but the idea of predators teaching humans to build pyramids in freakin Antarctica does not seem intelligent to me.
There was barely anything intelligent in Anderson's script. Fox doesn't write scripts, so-called screen writers do, and there is nothing that could be reinserted into that script that Fox may have cut, that would suddenly make it intelligent.
Quote from: Puks on Feb 18, 2010, 04:58:59 PM
QuoteAnderson wrote an intelligent script
Sorry, but the idea of predators teaching humans to build pyramids in freakin Antarctica does not seem intelligent to me.
I give Anderson credit for writing his own stuff...but that is all the credit he is getting from me. That and the Queen vs Pred at the end was awesome....but that is it...I swear!
I like the action in AVPR better but AVP is a better movie
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 18, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
There was a deleted scene that didn't make it onto the DVD (I wonder why?) where whatshisface continues to translate the glyphics and reveals that the predators actually created all the ice in that region to bury the pyramid once things got out of control.
Where'd you get that from? It's not in the novel or the script, or mentioned in any of the DVD special features.
QuoteIt's basically Alien 3 all over again, Anderson wrote an intelligent script and Fox butchered the film to hell. See also: Event Horizon.
Anderson didn't write
Event Horizon.
This is why AvP is so annoying. All of its stupid back story never leads to any solid explanation for anything. :o
It was cool hearing him talk about it in that featurette that they made a year prior to film's release, but the finished film speaks for itself.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 20, 2010, 11:56:24 PM
This is why AvP is so annoying. All of its stupid back story never leads to any solid explanation for anything. :o
It was cool hearing him talk about it in that featurette that they made a year prior to film's release, but the finished film speaks for itself.
Well to be fair, if you compare it to AvPR who's entire backstory is: ship crashlands onto town, leading to an EPIC BATTLE ::) between the inhabitants and the aliens, at least AvP gives
some stupid backstory.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Feb 21, 2010, 02:29:35 AM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 20, 2010, 11:56:24 PM
This is why AvP is so annoying. All of its stupid back story never leads to any solid explanation for anything. :o
It was cool hearing him talk about it in that featurette that they made a year prior to film's release, but the finished film speaks for itself.
Well to be fair, if you compare it to AvPR who's entire backstory is: ship crashlands onto town, leading to an EPIC BATTLE ::) between the inhabitants and the aliens, at least AvP gives some stupid backstory.
But it didn't try to over explain things like AvP did. AvPR is a totally different dumb altogether. Sort of generic "I've seen this story a million times" kind of dumb.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Feb 21, 2010, 02:45:19 AM
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Feb 21, 2010, 02:29:35 AM
Well to be fair, if you compare it to AvPR who's entire backstory is: ship crashlands onto town, leading to an EPIC BATTLE ::) between the inhabitants and the aliens, at least AvP gives some stupid backstory.
But it didn't try to over explain things like AvP did. AvPR is a totally different dumb altogether. Sort of generic "I've seen this story a million times" kind of dumb.
Oh, I was responding with the impression that you were somehow saying AvPR had a better backstory.
You know. AVP had alot of potential with its story. And i like the Frozen Pyramid. But they just totally blew it. With the low rating, shite gore, not staying true to the Predators Ritual method (skinned bodies).
At times the aliens looked great but, some of the CGI shots of Aliens were horrid, hated how they made them move also. The cast sucked, as did the actors. Disliked the Ninja Predator CGI. Queen wasnt scary at all.
AVP2. It brought back the gore, and i felt the Predator was more like the Predators from the Predator movies. The Aliens generally were much better to, but still some lame moments, example being a Predator grabbing to Aliens by the throat as they jump at him...lame. There was a great plot potential there (minus the horrid pointless teen drama), especially with the Marine lady and her Daughter. But again, what spoils AVP movies the most...is the pathetic run-time. The films are so short, they cant build up atmosphere, they have to rush through everything at 100 miles per hour... you dont get attached to characters. The Marine lady and her daughter see there father took by an alien...and dont even appear to be bothered by this at all!!!
The Hospital setting was great, n i loved the design of PredAlien..but again the short run time rapes it of any potential tension building. Many scenes appeared to be cut out also. Anyone remember the photo of an alien on top of a car appearing to rip the roof off, i mean holy shit how cool would that of been? But no, they cut it out. Also im sure i read they were ment to show a scene of the boys dad (the cop) holding out with the villagers in the town centre hoping for Evac. Instead he talks on the phone, shoots his shotgun n thats it.
Endless opportunities wasted for a crap run time.
dont get me started on both films rushing the Alien birth also.
But AVP2 was the better of the two, a little truer to the series than the first AVP.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 22, 2010, 01:52:58 PM
You know. AVP had alot of potential with its story. And i like the Frozen Pyramid. But they just totally blew it. With the low rating, shite gore, not staying true to the Predators Ritual method (skinned bodies).
Skinning an Alien? Be my guest.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 22, 2010, 01:52:58 PMThe Aliens generally were much better to,
Oh god no they weren't. The AvP Aliens suffered from the fleshy fallout of AR, but they were otherwise very true to the basic concept - slender, efficient avatars of death with incalculable, cosmic intelligence. The AvPR Aliens were bulky, ugly, moved like sacks of shit and didn't do a single clever thing all movie.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 22, 2010, 01:52:58 PMThere was a great plot potential there, especially with the Marine lady and her Daughter.
No, no there was not. The only plot that could've existed is what we got, and that was a generic zombie slasher plot. As for the mother and daughter, that was one of the worst decisions of all, as it aimed to emulate the relationship between Ripley and Newt. Unfortunately, it lacked all the setup that originally validated that relationship. The fact that the actress for the mother looks like Ripley and that the daughter has lined ripped directly from Newt doesn't help at all. A thoroughly shallow, insulting attempt to reach out to the fans.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 22, 2010, 01:52:58 PMBut again, what spoils AVP movies the most...is the pathetic run-time. The films are so short, they cant build up atmosphere, they have to rush through everything at 100 miles per hour... you dont get attached to characters. The Marine lady and her daughter see there father took by an alien...and dont even appear to be bothered by this at all!!!
Predator went for one hour and forty minutes or so. The
Alien movies have similar lengths.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 22, 2010, 01:52:58 PMThe Hospital setting was great, n i loved the design of PredAlien..but again the short run time rapes it of any potential tension building. Many scenes appeared to be cut out also. Anyone remember the photo of an alien on top of a car appearing to rip the roof off, i mean holy shit how cool would that of been? But no, they cut it out. Also im sure i read they were ment to show a scene of the boys dad (the cop) holding out with the villagers in the town centre hoping for Evac. Instead he talks on the phone, shoots his shotgun n thats it.
Townspeople against Aliens = dead townspeople. Doesn't matter what they're armed with. The only way to make that situation work is to set up an expectation. Have the characters moving to the 'hold-out' location when the last piece of information pertaining to that location implies that the hold-out is successful. When the characters actually show up, have the location splattered with signs of battle - spent shells, blood, damaged objects and the like.
That way, what the audience thought was a secure location has now become a potential Alien hotspot. Aaaaand instant tension. It's not exactly a breeze to pull off, but it's not rocket surgery, either.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 22, 2010, 01:52:58 PMBut AVP2 was the better of the two, a little truer to the series than the first AVP.
Let me count the ways it was untrue:
- Aliens. In all aspect, the Aliens were untrue. Dumb, weak, useless, ugly. Acid blood that doesn't do shit. The Aliens aren't ruthless at all, either. Any Alien (including the Predalien) could've killed Wolf with the right opening, yet none of them did.
- Dumb Predator. Wolf was going to shoot two Aliens, in his hands. Aliens bleed acid. Skinning corpses when he was on a clean-up mission. Engaging in an honour duel with the Predalien when... he was on a clean-up mission.
- Dumb teen drama. Has no place in my goddamned AvP.
- Earth setting. If it has Aliens in it, it doesn't take place on earth. Period.
For me, AvPR, dumb as it was, will always be the more entertaining film. I would rather watch Wolf plow his way through retarded, shithead Aliens as opposed to Lex and Sebastian running down dark corridors every 10 seconds, leading up to a near make out scene with Lex and Scar.
You seem to have forgotten just how brief the team-up actually is.
It's still there.
The team-up sucks. But at least it makes a semblance of sense, even if you have to go so far as to theorise that Scar was on some mad c**t drugs and not in his right mind.
Wolf skinning bodies is retarded in the opposite direction, and much more so.
What was wrong with Wolf skinning the cop? Last I checked, that's what Predators do.
Wolf was on a clean-up mission to destroy the Alien outbreak and remove all evidence of it.
So, he was on a specific mission. With a purpose that went beyond his own personal enjoyment.
Then he took the time out to skin a corpse, because, hell, a Pred's gotta have fun, right? The issue is that this is equivalent to your or me taking time to rub one out during a rescue mission. Not to mention that he leaves evidence of his own activity behind by doing so.
No he doesn't. Skinning the cop leaves zero evidence that he's in the area. As far as the townsfolk are concerned, a man was robbed of his skin and left hanging in a tree. There's no indication that an alien did it.
I still think skinning him wasn't a good choice. He was there to eliminate the aliens. As a veteran hunter (how else could have he been in a serious 'position' like that) he must have known how fast aliens can 'spread'. Assuming he could skin and hang the body in five (!!!) minutes, it's still a disadvantage. I don't think he could have allowe himself such luxury.
We could reason he figured that he could handle a couple Aliens, after all, only a few Facehuggers escaped. He couldn't have known that Chet was a growing Queen.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 22, 2010, 05:13:02 PM
No he doesn't. Skinning the cop leaves zero evidence that he's in the area. As far as the townsfolk are concerned, a man was robbed of his skin and left hanging in a tree. There's no indication that an alien did it.
Its still dumb. He on a mission to quell the retardlien infestation right? While he's sitting there taking his time skinning this guy, that fleshy abomination chetasaurus is barfing out twenty more retardliens.
It was just another cheap attempt to put another reference from the originals that didn't even work within the context of the story, if you could even call it a story.
I don't know how long it takes to skin a human, but considering Preds are pros, I don't think it took him more than 10 minutes. Not exactly a mountain of time there.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 22, 2010, 04:18:15 PM
Wolf was on a clean-up mission to destroy the Alien outbreak and remove all evidence of it.
So, he was on a specific mission. With a purpose that went beyond his own personal enjoyment.
Then he took the time out to skin a corpse, because, hell, a Pred's gotta have fun, right? The issue is that this is equivalent to your or me taking time to rub one out during a rescue mission. Not to mention that he leaves evidence of his own activity behind by doing so.
The Predators are hunters, this one was on a cleaning mission, but he's still a hunter.
The only thing that separated Wolf from the other Predators seen in the movies is that he didn't take any trophies, it's still a "hunt" but not a hunt for trophies.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Feb 22, 2010, 05:23:25 PM
I still think skinning him wasn't a good choice. He was there to eliminate the aliens. As a veteran hunter (how else could have he been in a serious 'position' like that) he must have known how fast aliens can 'spread'. Assuming he could skin and hang the body in five (!!!) minutes, it's still a disadvantage. I don't think he could have allowe himself such luxury.
Yes, if he took his time doing things the Predator way, it would lead to more aliens being born...
...And that's good.
More Aliens= more Prey.
More prey is good for any hunter.
He wasn't in the rush to finish his work so he could get home in time for Oprah...
And Wolf found out about the Predalien and the face-huggers escaping when he found the dead predator in the crashed ship on earth, so his cleaning mission ended with him blowing up the ship.
After that it was personal, no trophies, no glory, no honor...it was about him finding the Predalien and killing it. The Predalien was the goal all along, the Aliens he killed was the ones in his path.
There is many things wrong with both AvP and AvP-R, but Wolf acting like a Predator ain't wrong.
No other Predator hesitated about skinning their prey because it might lead to the arrival of more prey in the area.
And I think it's still unknown
why they skinn some of their victims.
Maybe it's a tribute to their gods, maybe something like one making the cross sign.
QuoteI don't know how long it takes to skin a human, but considering Preds are pros, I don't think it took him more than 10 minutes. Not exactly a mountain of time there.
Yeah but would you expect someone whose job it is to hunt down one particular person, to waste time with distractions?
Quote from: Milan on Feb 23, 2010, 12:44:13 AM
The Predators are hunters, this one was on a cleaning mission, but he's still a hunter.
The only thing that separated Wolf from the other Predators seen in the movies is that he didn't take any trophies, it's still a "hunt" but not a hunt for trophies.
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said. How does Wolf being a hunter have anything to do with skinning corpses? You don't need to skin a bitch to hunt.
Quote from: SM on Feb 23, 2010, 12:48:08 AM
QuoteI don't know how long it takes to skin a human, but considering Preds are pros, I don't think it took him more than 10 minutes. Not exactly a mountain of time there.
Yeah but would you expect someone whose job it is to hunt down one particular person, to waste time with distractions?
No. But it doesn't mean they won't be.
I thought AvP was the Better film:
AvP Pros:
An Alien actually killed a Predator
Better Acting (Lance Hendricksen)
More likable characters
Pyramid was cool and overall was a good concept
Many references to the original comics
Like the Nethead Alien and i like the Alien design in this movie better.
Cool fight scenes
Cons:
Predators looked goofy
Bad Music score
PG-13
Where the hell did humans get machine guns from? (not that it mattered since they were useless)
Overall: 7.5/10 (I don't hate it like so many people do)
AvP:R Pros:
First 15 mins were cool, had me hoping for a good movie
Predator Planet
Predator looks better
Sewer scene looked like it was gonna be good
Changed title to Aliens from Alien
Set up a possible AvP3 (which i continue to be optomistic about a good AvP film)
Good Music Score
Cons:
Aliens completely worthless
Humans>Aliens>Predator (one predator by himself...)
Hot girl keeps her clothes on
Characters unlikable
Really dark
PredAlien looked goofy
R rating
Story is rediculous (Nuking the whole town and no one notices)
Overall: 6/10 (not terrible but defenitly not great)
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Feb 23, 2010, 01:51:11 AM
Really dark
Yeah, before my Blu-ray player i couldn't see ANYTHING during the day and i had to wait until night.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 23, 2010, 01:16:49 AM
Quote from: Milan on Feb 23, 2010, 12:44:13 AM
The Predators are hunters, this one was on a cleaning mission, but he's still a hunter.
The only thing that separated Wolf from the other Predators seen in the movies is that he didn't take any trophies, it's still a "hunt" but not a hunt for trophies.
That has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said. How does Wolf being a hunter have anything to do with skinning corpses? You don't need to skin a bitch to hunt.
Well, Anytime was a hunter and he did skin his prey, so was Pussyface and the three Predators who went into the pyramid in AVP.
And they all skinned their prey when they acually could have done smarter things.
I don't see why it's wrong for wolf to skinn a his victim when it's something that goes hand in hand with him being a Predator.
If the time taken to do that leads to more Aliens, well that might be bad for the Human spieces in that area but not for the Predators.
The Predators didn't mind planting aliens on earth.
Hunters don't mind if their favorite prey multiply, it's the oppisite that causes problems for any hunter, human or alien.
And "hunting" is a big deal for these Predators, it is a matter of life or death for them.
If they admit losing against their prey, then they commit suicide.
People say that they are hunting for joy...
I fish for joy but I wouldn't commit suicide because I couldn't get the fish or because it got away...
The Predator, they are always hunters, these's hunters have their own culture and traditions.
Even the ones who are on a cleaning mission.
It's wasted time when he's trying to accomplish a very specific task. After all, what's stopping him from completing a mission THEN having some fun?
The difference is that Anytime and Pussyface were essentially just partaking of leisure-time activities. Wolf had a specific task in mind and time was of the essence.
What I still don't get is y he didn't just use his bomb in the first place. The only 2 reasons I could think of is the eventual discovery of a radioactive hole in the ground and him getting to a safe distance in time. Well, in that case they could have just nuked the entire site from orbit ;D
It'd be another 170 odd years before anyone wised up to that. ;D
You could also ask, why the f**k does Wolf even care in the first place, but hey, every movie needs a plot hole.
Firstly, Aliens getting out of hand is bad news for anyone, even if they're retards.
Secondly, there was a downed Predator ship on earth. Humans discovering and reverse-engineering Predtech? Uh oh.
Oh ya, forgot about the ship :P
Like I mentioned before, Wolf couldn't have known that the Predalien was a growing queen. He probably figured there was one Predalien and maybe a couple Aliens, since just a few Facehuggers escaped. There was no rush. He couldn't have foreseen that the Predalien would barf up several embryos into one victim.
What i don't get in Avsp:r was the whole 'We got a plasmaCaster' by the military at the end.
If you watch predator 2 (i have many times) you plainly see the predator removing and dropping his plasma caster in the meat warhouse sure the military guys got wiped out but im pretty confident the rest of their team would have went in and combed that place looking for anything they could use finding it and hey presto 'We got a plasma caster' albeit a kinda shot up one.
Yeah, they should already have a damaged Plasmacaster in their possession, as well as a spear, the mask and if someone found and reported it, part of the wristdevice with the chopped off hand.
Quote from: Dusk on Feb 23, 2010, 09:41:47 AM
Like I mentioned before, Wolf couldn't have known that the Predalien was a growing queen. He probably figured there was one Predalien and maybe a couple Aliens, since just a few Facehuggers escaped. There was no rush. He couldn't have foreseen that the Predalien would barf up several embryos into one victim.
Could've justified it if the Aliens were taking the 8-12 hours they usually take to gestate, but these things were gestating quickly.
Also, egg-morphing. Canon, due to the 2004 reshowing in cinemas.
Also, if he came down expressly to get a job done, why not just get it done? The first AvP film showed what happened when Aliens got out of hand.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 23, 2010, 12:34:27 PM
Also, if he came down expressly to get a job done, why not just get it done? The first AvP film showed what happened when Aliens got out of hand.
Because AvP:R was a film that spat in the face of the source material, as well as the first AvP, and lacks any semblance of a coherent, thought out plot; rather giving us a mashed together series of half-baked "it would be so uber cool if..." events that make little to no sense whatsoever.
MadassAlex i dont mind you replying, and picking apart my thoughts with a fine tooth comb....however it doesnt work when you try disguise opinion as fact. Leaving me feeling rather infuriated as you clearly have a major issue with AVP2 and regardless what points or suggestions are made, you only want to hit it with the anti. Someone a little more open minded reply next time, cheers.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 23, 2010, 02:44:07 PM
MadassAlex i dont mind you replying, and picking apart my thoughts with a fine tooth comb....however it doesnt work when you try disguise opinion as fact. Leaving me feeling rather infuriated as you clearly have a major issue with AVP2 and regardless what points or suggestions are made, you only want to hit it with the anti. Someone a little more open minded reply next time, cheers.
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ok ill reply .... out of the two avp is much better but avpr is also a good movie for any fan but they could of added a little more to it like the fight between the predalein and the predator could have been better
Yeah, the Predalien was largely unused really.
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 23, 2010, 03:04:55 PM
Yeah, the Predalien was largely unused really.
the epic fights they could of used were largely left untouched and it didnt even seem as bad ass as it was when it fought the predators so it is sortof a let down in that movie'
QuoteYou could also ask, why the f**k does Wolf even care in the first place, but hey, every movie needs a plot hole.
That's not a plot hole.
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
While its clear from what the directors said about the film, He was sent to hid the mess from the Human population, but the only reason I could think of was that situation on earth was a worthy challenge to his hunting skills. They should have just used that for the plot.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
Do you watch movies about cops and call it a plot hole that they care about fighting crime in the first place? :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
Well it's been said in the first AvP that the Predators use it as a hunting ground, and it's inferred in the first Pred film. Maybe because they value the humans as prey?
Quote from: mrlee on Feb 23, 2010, 02:44:07 PM
MadassAlex i dont mind you replying, and picking apart my thoughts with a fine tooth comb....however it doesnt work when you try disguise opinion as fact. Leaving me feeling rather infuriated as you clearly have a major issue with AVP2 and regardless what points or suggestions are made, you only want to hit it with the anti. Someone a little more open minded reply next time, cheers.
Regardless of how you think he addressed you, you still haven't made a counter to his points. All you're doing is taking the moral high ground without including any content, which infers you can't think of an approriate response.
I thought in the whole his arguments made sense and the opinions he raised were reasonable, let me give you an example:
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 23, 2010, 02:44:07 PM
Acid blood that doesn't do shit.
Sure he doesn't back up his opinions in this instance, but his opinions seem fairly reasonable. Alien acid is pressurized so it strikes nearby opponents, yet Wolf regularly walked unharmed away from his encounters, (e.g. shooting two aliens point blank with plasma casters.)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 23, 2010, 02:44:07 PM
The Aliens aren't ruthless at all, either. Any Alien (including the Predalien)
The PredAlien let Wolf take off his mask so they could have their little stand off.
It. Let. Him. Take. off. His. Mask. The Predalien isn't stupid either. We have evidence that aliens are capable of learning, so I''m sure it can perceive that the Predator is vulnerable in that period.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Feb 24, 2010, 08:48:42 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 23, 2010, 02:44:07 PM
Acid blood that doesn't do shit.
Sure he doesn't back up his opinions in this instance, but his opinions seem fairly reasonable. Alien acid is pressurized so it strikes nearby opponents, yet Wolf regularly walked unharmed away from his encounters, (e.g. shooting two aliens point blank with plasma casters.)
Especially if we look at the scars on his face. Left side. Skin etched and eye damaged. For me it's a distinct pattern after contact with the acid blood.
Prewious contact with Xenos is obvious for me. But this time, well... ;)
QuoteYes, if he took his time doing things the Predator way, it would lead to more aliens being born...
...And that's good.
More Aliens= more Prey.
More prey is good for any hunter.
Well, but I don't think it was a hunt. If Wolf has been on a hunt, it would be probably normal for him to take his time and skin his victims. The fact he is a predator seems to be less important in this case than his mission. I don't think Wolf was hunting, and this is where our opinions seem to differ. More prey is not a good thing here, as aliens can spread anywhere, and the growing number of this prey would be uncontrollabele for the hunter. Even if it was a hunt (which imo wasn't) it could simply become a slaughterhouse, which is definitely not a good thing. But for this you must agree that Wolf is on a mission which is superior to the goal of hunting. Of course the methods are the same, but the goals are totally different.
Totally right point about the skinning. It's function is unknown (btw I think it's a sign to the preys).
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2010, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
Do you watch movies about cops and call it a plot hole that they care about fighting crime in the first place? :-\
That's different. Crime needs to be stopped; that's black and white. An Alien outbreak has nothing to do with Wolf.
Wow more people like AVPR than AVP. I know theyre both bad but that is a shock,
Quote from: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 03:06:43 AM
Wow more people like AVPR than AVP. I know theyre both bad but that is a shock,
AVP Isn't bad its excellent! it basically gives the story of how Aliens & Predators met and what they are doing. Think of it like a DNA strand (double helix). a Dna strand is like a manual for humans and everything that lives. It bascially breaks down of what you are. How your made. how you look like your parents. so AVP is the basic manual to like understand these two Great Killers found each other and their purpose.
AVPR is just some wild goose chase that doesn't make much sense.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 25, 2010, 02:11:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2010, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
Do you watch movies about cops and call it a plot hole that they care about fighting crime in the first place? :-\
That's different. Crime needs to be stopped; that's black and white. An Alien outbreak has nothing to do with Wolf.
The point is we as fans have sufficient knowledge to know that it's not a 'wtf' moment if he decides to have a little game hunting.
Quote from: Bevo2506 on Feb 25, 2010, 03:35:25 AM
Quote from: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 03:06:43 AM
Wow more people like AVPR than AVP. I know theyre both bad but that is a shock,
AVP Isn't bad its excellent! it basically gives the story of how Aliens & Predators met and what they are doing. Think of it like a DNA strand (double helix). a Dna strand is like a manual for humans and everything that lives. It bascially breaks down of what you are. How your made. how you look like your parents. so AVP is the basic manual to like understand these two Great Killers found each other and their purpose.
AVPR is just some wild goose chase that doesn't make much sense.
I thought it was okay, but that's taking it a little far.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 25, 2010, 02:11:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2010, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
Do you watch movies about cops and call it a plot hole that they care about fighting crime in the first place? :-\
That's different. Crime needs to be stopped; that's black and white. An Alien outbreak has nothing to do with Wolf.
Crime needs to be stopped, but not an Alien outbreak. Alright. I gotcha. Makes sense. ;)
Humans are one the Predator's favorite prey. I don't think they want Earth's grounds infested with Aliens. Notice how they had that temple contained for the most part.
Quote from: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 03:06:43 AM
Wow more people like AVPR than AVP. I know theyre both bad but that is a shock,
Your avatar describes perfectly my feeling about this.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 25, 2010, 02:11:33 AM
That's different.
Not in the least.
Why do those particular people care? Why aren't they criminals instead? Why aren't they apathetic? Why aren't they desk jockeys?
An Alien outbreak has as much to do with Wolf as a breaking and entering down the street does to you or me - maybe not a whole heap to us
personally, but in the grander scheme of things, probably a good idea to not let it happen.
Or, more simply, given they strap
nuclear bombs to their wrists every time they go outside to play just in case they get cornered, I think it's safe to assume that cleaning up their mess is a
pretty big priority to these guys, and Wolf just so happens to be a dude who does the cleaning.
Why does he do it, specifically? Who cares, it's not important - All we need to know is that when someone drops the ball, Wolf swings in to pick it up. It's what he does.
Well, supposedly.
Yeah, wiping out a town, the surrounding countryside and providing the humans with plasma technology certainly counts as 'dropping the ball' to me.
I like to think that Wolf was a mentally handicapped Pred and his handler was out buying groceries when he got the message about the ship crashing.
Which actually makes the whole movie rather sad. He just wanted to play with the big boys and look what happened :'(
Quote from: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 12:02:50 PM
I like to think that Wolf was a mentally handicapped Pred and his handler was out buying groceries when he got the message about the ship crashing.
Which actually makes the whole movie rather sad. He just wanted to play with the big boys and look what happened :'(
Best interpretation ever! ;D
Quote from: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 12:02:50 PM
I like to think that Wolf was a mentally handicapped Pred and his handler was out buying groceries when he got the message about the ship crashing.
Which actually makes the whole movie rather sad. He just wanted to play with the big boys and look what happened :'(
Fortunately he was fighting a brain-damaged strain of Aliens.
Well, I found an appropriate ending for the mentally handicapped poor Wolf. If this was the real ending, maybe I'd have given an extra point to avpr, now it would be 1/10 :D :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBf9d53HX2U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBf9d53HX2U)
Giving the Predalien some actual glory... I really like it :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 25, 2010, 02:11:33 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2010, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2010, 04:26:20 AM
Isn't it? Why would he care about the infestation in the first place? He could just let it be.
Do you watch movies about cops and call it a plot hole that they care about fighting crime in the first place? :-\
That's different. Crime needs to be stopped; that's black and white. An Alien outbreak has nothing to do with Wolf.
You could infer that he was sort of the like a police force. The real question is: why did he not nuke the place? AvP, this films direct predecessor, established that when things get out of hand, they nuke the place. Yet Wolf goes and does it on his own.
The movie is broken right to its very core.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 25, 2010, 06:59:28 AM
Quote from: Bevo2506 on Feb 25, 2010, 03:35:25 AM
Quote from: Keg on Feb 25, 2010, 03:06:43 AM
Wow more people like AVPR than AVP. I know theyre both bad but that is a shock,
AVP Isn't bad its excellent! it basically gives the story of how Aliens & Predators met and what they are doing. Think of it like a DNA strand (double helix). a Dna strand is like a manual for humans and everything that lives. It bascially breaks down of what you are. How your made. how you look like your parents. so AVP is the basic manual to like understand these two Great Killers found each other and their purpose.
AVPR is just some wild goose chase that doesn't make much sense.
I thought it was okay, but that's taking it a little far.
Ya sorry i went a lil far on my opinion. I was just trying to give a example and thats the only one that popped in my head. Sorry for the bad example guys.
QuoteThat's different. Crime needs to be stopped; that's black and white. An Alien outbreak has nothing to do with Wolf.
You know the whole 'Wolf' thing is taken from Pulp Fiction? Wolf's entire purpose in AvP:Poo is to "solve problems".
Quote from: SiL on Feb 25, 2010, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 25, 2010, 02:11:33 AM
That's different.
Not in the least.
Why do those particular people care? Why aren't they criminals instead? Why aren't they apathetic? Why aren't they desk jockeys?
An Alien outbreak has as much to do with Wolf as a breaking and entering down the street does to you or me - maybe not a whole heap to us personally, but in the grander scheme of things, probably a good idea to not let it happen.
Or, more simply, given they strap nuclear bombs to their wrists every time they go outside to play just in case they get cornered, I think it's safe to assume that cleaning up their mess is a pretty big priority to these guys, and Wolf just so happens to be a dude who does the cleaning.
Why does he do it, specifically? Who cares, it's not important - All we need to know is that when someone drops the ball, Wolf swings in to pick it up. It's what he does.
Well, supposedly.
That was very well said.
Quote from: SM on Feb 26, 2010, 01:08:48 AM
QuoteThat's different. Crime needs to be stopped; that's black and white. An Alien outbreak has nothing to do with Wolf.
You know the whole 'Wolf' thing is taken from Pulp Fiction? Wolf's entire purpose in AvP:Poo is to "solve problems".
Never saw PF.
The Wolf is a character from Pulp Fiction who cleans up crime scenes. That's the reference in a nut shell.
And it makes me cringe every time I think about it.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 26, 2010, 03:46:31 AM
And it makes me cringe every time I think about it.
more like dry reach
I watched AVP last night again and I have to say it LOOKS great (except the predators), but it's the dumbest piece of mind diarrhea I've ever seen. I like some shots - like the satellite, the spaceship floating over that guy's head, or Grid owning one of the preds - but I HATE the dialogues, the main chick character or idiotic plot. It gets 7/10 for looks and 1/10 for the rest.
AVPR, on the other hand, is incredibly straightforward and mindless, but it's coherent enough not to care about it's flaws. It's a fan movie - the best I've ever seen. It consists ONLY of references, but their put together quite nice. I like it. It's pure fun. Not a bit ambitious, but Anderson had ambitions and look what he's done to the franchise. I like AVPR and I'm not ashamed to say this.:) 8/10
Quote from: szuran on Feb 26, 2010, 06:01:43 PM
I watched AVP last night again and I have to say it LOOKS great (except the predators), but it's the dumbest piece of mind diarrhea I've ever seen. I like some shots - like the satellite, the spaceship floating over that guy's head, or Grid owning one of the preds - but I HATE the dialogues, the main chick character or idiotic plot. It gets 7/10 for looks and 1/10 for the rest.
AVPR, on the other hand, is incredibly straightforward and mindless, but it's coherent enough not to care about it's flaws. It's a fan movie - the best I've ever seen. It consists ONLY of references, but their put together quite nice. I like it. It's pure fun. Not a bit ambitious, but Anderson had ambitions and look what he's done to the franchise. I like AVPR and I'm not ashamed to say this.:) 8/10
Acually AvP is full of references from the comics (including the main character girl teaming up with the predator and the whole idea of Predators hunting Aliens for sport and rite of passage). But I will agree that the dialouge is crap, but i though it was even worse in AvP:R. But whatever, it's your opinion.
Quote from: szuran on Feb 26, 2010, 06:01:43 PM
...but it's coherent enough not to care about it's flaws...
...put together quite nice...
...8/10...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79oC63H7HbI
(Sorry if this seems a bit mean-spirited, it was the only suitable response I could come up with.)
AVPR > AVP anytime of the day or night. Paul Anderson can go hang himself. Everything sucked about AVP. At least in AVPR we got some R action and blood. Also how can AVP story be better then AVPR!? Its not like any of these movies are a sequel to Citizen Kane. AVP movie should have a lot of mindless action and predators raping aliens and everything else that moves. AVPR was pretty good. I give it 8/10. I didn't care for acting of characters as they all died anyway so I was satisfied. The black girl and that itialian dude in AVP were more then annoying, and they were teh main characters. sic. pretty much ruins the whole movie as they cant die. Hope AVP3 will be a huge step up as none of those AVP movies so far were any good. Where is Arnie? where is James Cameron? stop bullshieting around with some avatar crap and get your ass to direct a proper movie for fans, not some elf fetish for homos.
They see me trollin', they hatin' ...
Oh wait, you're being serious.
Aw.
Quote from: MastaMarek on Feb 26, 2010, 11:50:43 PM
AVPR > AVP anytime of the day or night. Paul Anderson can go hang himself. Everything sucked about AVP. At least in AVPR we got some R action and blood. Also how can AVP story be better then AVPR!? Its not like any of these movies are a sequel to Citizen Kane. AVP movie should have a lot of mindless action and predators raping aliens and everything else that moves. AVPR was pretty good. I give it 8/10. I didn't care for acting of characters as they all died anyway so I was satisfied. The black girl and that itialian dude in AVP were more then annoying, and they were teh main characters. sic. pretty much ruins the whole movie as they cant die. Hope AVP3 will be a huge step up as none of those AVP movies so far were any good. Where is Arnie? where is James Cameron? stop bullshieting around with some avatar crap and get your ass to direct a proper movie for fans, not some elf fetish for homos.
See the video directly above your post for my response.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 27, 2010, 12:25:43 AM
Quote from: MastaMarek on Feb 26, 2010, 11:50:43 PM
AVPR > AVP anytime of the day or night. Paul Anderson can go hang himself. Everything sucked about AVP. At least in AVPR we got some R action and blood. Also how can AVP story be better then AVPR!? Its not like any of these movies are a sequel to Citizen Kane. AVP movie should have a lot of mindless action and predators raping aliens and everything else that moves. AVPR was pretty good. I give it 8/10. I didn't care for acting of characters as they all died anyway so I was satisfied. The black girl and that itialian dude in AVP were more then annoying, and they were teh main characters. sic. pretty much ruins the whole movie as they cant die. Hope AVP3 will be a huge step up as none of those AVP movies so far were any good. Where is Arnie? where is James Cameron? stop bullshieting around with some avatar crap and get your ass to direct a proper movie for fans, not some elf fetish for homos.
See the video directly above your post for my response.
Cant you just accept his opinion and stop acting like a jerk?
No, he can f**k off.
Specificially:
Quote from: MastaMarek on Feb 26, 2010, 11:50:43 PM
stop bullshieting around with some avatar crap and get your ass to direct a proper movie for fans, not some elf fetish for homos.
I don't even like
Avatar, but that was just homophobic, narrow-minded tripe.
The "mindless action" he wants isn't in the spirit of either of the franchises, either. He might look to reevaluate his views on
Alien and
Predator if action is all he wants.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 27, 2010, 01:01:33 AM
No, he can f**k off.
I have a better idea. Don't act like a butt-hurt idiot because he enjoys a film you dislike.
Carry on.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
Don't act like a butt-hurt idiot because he enjoys a film you dislike.
He wasn't. He specifically quoted the part he took issue with - Which has nothing to do with the guy liking AvPR.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Feb 27, 2010, 01:01:33 AM
No, he can f**k off.
Dude its their opinion you can't change it. Just sit back and read and have a good ol chat with or fav AVP or AVPR.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2010, 01:14:30 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
Don't act like a butt-hurt idiot because he enjoys a film you dislike.
He wasn't. He specifically quoted the part he took issue with - Which has nothing to do with the guy liking AvPR.
The response, "he can f**k off" came prior to that quotation.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2010, 01:16:37 AM
The response, "he can f**k off" came prior to that quotation.
Yes, which he then justified with, "Specifically", followed by the quote.
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Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2010, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2010, 01:16:37 AM
The response, "he can f**k off" came prior to that quotation.
Yes, which he then justified with, "Specifically", followed by the quote.
I really don't care. He still shouldn't speak to another member like that, no matter how much he disagrees with the post.
Quote from: Bevo2506 on Feb 27, 2010, 01:15:23 AM
Dude its their opinion you can't change it. Just sit back and read and have a good ol chat with or fav AVP or AVPR.
I don't give a damn about his opinion on movies.
Something that made me upsett about both movies is the really, REALLY short incubation period. I think it might be caused by the predators tampering with the alien's genes. I mean, what predator wants to wait a few days for that alien to come out?
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Quote from: MastaMarek on Feb 26, 2010, 11:50:43 PM
AVPR > AVP anytime of the day or night. Paul Anderson can go hang himself. Everything sucked about AVP. At least in AVPR we got some R action and blood. Also how can AVP story be better then AVPR!? Its not like any of these movies are a sequel to Citizen Kane. AVP movie should have a lot of mindless action and predators raping aliens and everything else that moves. AVPR was pretty good. I give it 8/10. I didn't care for acting of characters as they all died anyway so I was satisfied. The black girl and that itialian dude in AVP were more then annoying, and they were teh main characters. sic. pretty much ruins the whole movie as they cant die. Hope AVP3 will be a huge step up as none of those AVP movies so far were any good. Where is Arnie? where is James Cameron? stop bullshieting around with some avatar crap and get your ass to direct a proper movie for fans, not some elf fetish for homos.
See the video directly above your post for my response.
Cant you just accept his opinion and stop acting like a jerk?
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to lie; that post made me laugh.
Troll warning, I got a report about this thread, lets keep it on topic guys.
The criiticism of the poster's view was justified - but the "he can f**k off" part wasn't. Not on a forum where it's in the rules to
not insult fellow members.
Quote from: MastaMarek on Feb 26, 2010, 11:50:43 PM
At least in AVPR we got some R action and blood.
Which doesn't really solve anything. Even if it hadn't been for the chestburster scene, '
Alien' would
still be hailed as a masterpiece.
Likewise for the original '
Predator' and doing away with the cleaning of skulls.
QuoteAlso how can AVP story be better then AVPR!? Its not like any of these movies are a sequel to Citizen Kane.
Doesn't have to be a work of art to have more substance or characters with slightly more rounded out backgrounds/personalities.
QuoteAVP movie should have a lot of mindless action and predators raping aliens and everything else that moves.
On the contrary. The action should be
good, not "mindless". When it becomes mindless, it turns into something generic and boring.
And quite what the point of a 'versus' concept is, when youv'e already decided that one faction is always going to be far superior to the other, I don't know... The ideal way is to make it a real clash of the titans. the tension is upped when the victor is unpredictable.
QuoteAVPR was pretty good. I give it 8/10. I didn't care for acting of characters as they all died anyway so I was satisfied. The black girl and that itialian dude in AVP were more then annoying, and they were teh main characters. sic. pretty much ruins the whole movie as they cant die.
You've just written it yourself: You didn't
care about the characters. Much of what made '
Alien' and '
Aliens so good, was that we cared about the characters.
Why?
Because when they
do die, it gives us an
emotional impact.
Compare and contrast the characters from '
Predator', who we grow to at least like or appreciated, to those in its sequel, who are largely forgotten by just about any viewer, aside from die hard fans. That's one of the reasons why the original is remembered fondly, but why reviews from anyone other than fans of the series, mostly herald the second film as poor by comparison.
Were Alexa and so on, incredibly great characters? Not really, but the basis was there and we get a little bit more of an emotional handle on their mentalities, compared to those in the sequel. Weyland, in particular, was well handled and largely a testament to the actor who portrayed them.
QuoteHope AVP3 will be a huge step up as none of those AVP movies so far were any good. Where is Arnie? where is James Cameron? stop bullshieting around with some avatar crap and get your ass to direct a proper movie for fans, not some elf fetish for homos.
Your latter comment is a sign of severe arrogance. Watch '
Avatar' before you label it that way, because anybody who does would find that remark laughable.
As for wanting Arnie back... Why? Other than doing so purely for the sake of it? It's not like a species which relies on thermal vision is ever going to be able to track Dutch down - or even realise what he did, all that long time ago (even if they did, it would contradict the second film, which inferred respect for an opponent which demonstrates an ability to beat them).
QuoteEven if it hadn't been for the chestburster scene, 'Alien' would still be hailed as a masterpiece.
Although, interestingly, if it wasn't for that scene it never would have been made in the first place :P
AVPR is dumb and doesn't have interesting characters, sure, but I accept that. Why? Because I accept this kind of entertainment, too. Sometimes I like to watch Commando or Marked for Death - those are cheesy, but entertaining movies, with C-grade plot and F-grade acting. So what? I don't want to watch Citizen Kane every night. If those movies don't annoy me (like AVP or any Michael Bay movie), I accept them. AVPR doesn't annoy me. Period.
Besides, when you got shitty AVP movie and there were talks about the sequel, did any of you expect it to be someting that we could compare to the first Alien? AVPR stands on it's own as a high-budget fan movie, not related to the canon; a "what if" story. It has some great scenes and nice sets, and it's better than I expected. Some mindless fun. Sometimes I need it. And you too. If you didn't Michael goddamn Bay wouldn't be making another crappy Transformers movie.
Alright, I can respect that. You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how abhorrently wrong it may be. :D
You can have mindless action that isn't total horseshit.
Commando, as you mentioned. Cheesy? Sure, but it's not taking itself seriously, and it's not a sequel to respected movie. It also, at least, has some internal logic - It was a dumb movie made by relatively smart people. AvPR was a dumb movie made by idiots.
So, AVPR is a sequel to a respected movie now?:)
Besides, I don't think it's horseshit.
You see, the difference between our posts is that I try to justify my opinions, while the only thing you say is "AVPR is horseshit made by idiots". That's not a good way to discuss things.
I believe he was referring to Alien and Predator.
I used to write very long posts about how every single thing in AvPR is worthless, but after doing it a few years, I decided to give it a rest.
And that's great because I won't argue that there are some stupid moments, but there are some stupid moments in Aliens as well (i.e. the horrible ending, with the queen hanging on Rambo... I mean Ripley, trying not to be sucked into space). Every Alien movie has many, many screenplay flaws, but it's not the script that makes them so good. It's a) setting, b) characters, c) monsters. AVPR has (IMO) nice setting and great monsters. So it's enough for me to like it (not to love it or worship it, though). The story is logical ENOUGH for me not to care (I'm not watching it for the story; I've seen 5 alien movies and 3 predator movies before and I don't expect it to be fresh or interesting), not like the first AVP. AVPR delivers what I wanted to see.
You see, I've got two judgement methods for two kinds of movies: one is for ambitious projects that want to screw with my brain (and I'm strict and severe when i judge them), and one is for "pure fun mindless dumb shit", where I'm much more tolerant. AVPR is the second kind.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 27, 2010, 07:07:13 AM
I used to write very long posts about how every single thing in AvPR is worthless, but after doing it a few years, I decided to give it a rest.
Copy paste?
Quote from: szuran on Feb 26, 2010, 06:01:43 PM
I watched AVP last night again and I have to say it LOOKS great (except the predators), but it's the dumbest piece of mind diarrhea I've ever seen. I like some shots - like the satellite, the spaceship floating over that guy's head, or Grid owning one of the preds - but I HATE the dialogues, the main chick character or idiotic plot. It gets 7/10 for looks and 1/10 for the rest.
AVPR, on the other hand, is incredibly straightforward and mindless, but it's coherent enough not to care about it's flaws. It's a fan movie - the best I've ever seen. It consists ONLY of references, but their put together quite nice. I like it. It's pure fun. Not a bit ambitious, but Anderson had ambitions and look what he's done to the franchise. I like AVPR and I'm not ashamed to say this.:) 8/10
Could you explain why you think the dialogue, protagonist and plot is so terrible please?
I personally think AvPR was a terrible piece of cinematography. The lighting was terrible, there was a teen drama, numerous in-universe flaws and a very clichéd way of introducing both species. Most of the characters were stereotypes of teenagers, with little to no complexity or depth. Plot was nonexistent.
I thought having Jesse taking off her clothes was a cheap way of attracting people's attentions.
Quote from: szuran on Feb 27, 2010, 07:17:51 AM
You see, I've got two judgement methods for two kinds of movies: one is for ambitious projects that want to screw with my brain (and I'm strict and severe when i judge them), and one is for "pure fun mindless dumb shit", where I'm much more tolerant. AVPR is the second kind.
Ah. See I judge ALL movies by a similar criterion, because I believe that's fairer. If you think you should divide movies into separate categories based on a whim and rate them by separate systems that's fine. But what if you get it wrong. What if a movie that you thought was ambitious was actually mindless dumb shit. Maybe you just misinterpreted the director, etc. Plus that method seems a bit complex when comparing movies of the two types. It's why websites have a common rating system (usually out of 100 or 10.)
I like big dumb mindless movies as much as the next guy, but there's a limit to what I can tolerate.
Mindlessness doesn't necessitate incompetence, which is what AvPR is. Commando is mindless, but well done - We want Arnie to win and the action scenes have some level of tension to them. We know Arnie is going to win at the end, but we're still excited to see it happened because it's built up. He's on a time limit, his little girl's in danger, and there's a literal army of people between him and her - Bam, tension. And the pay off is one of the greatest pieces of over-the-top 80s action cinema ever.
Predator 2 is a pretty cheesy, brainless movie, but again, it's done with much more competence than AvPR. Its flaws in logic don't stand up and slap me in the face on the first viewing. It doesn't make my brain hurt. It actually tries to make some level of sense.
AvPR does none of this.
I don't give two shits about the characters. The plot isn't engaging. There is zero tension to the entire movie. There is no horror, and no excitement. The action scenes are curt, over before they've begun, and never once are we lead to believe Wolf might have a hard time of this. He's injured more by an incidental piece of metal than a drone Alien throughout the entire film.
It's the equivalent of a school yard bully beating up on disabled kids. It's not entertaining. Action for the sake of action does not work (for me; I shouldn't have to say that, but someone will inevitably say "But it does for me!". Good for you, hypothetical person; this rant is subjective), there has to be some reason for it or it's just a bunch of murky bullshit on the screen. Why should I care who wins or lose? And if I don't care, what's the point in watching?
The movie is dragged down by this inescapable immaturity that drips from every single frame. AvP suffers the same fate, sure. But at least Anderson tried. At the very least I can appreciate that AvP at least makes an effort to be more than illogical, arbitrary action with as much emotional or visceral impact as watching paint dry. AvPR doesn't, and to me, that makes it infinitely worse. It's flawed on such a wholly fundamental level that not even my lowest expectations can reach it.
Yeah, it's got action, it's got gore - But they've got no impact. They're just images on a screen. Commando makes me care about the outcome of the action. Cannibal Holocaust outright forces me to care about the gore. Classic action and horror movies from the 80s might be mindless, and inform a lot of AvPR's decisions, but at the very least they come up with half a reason I should give a shit.
Quote
Could you explain why you think the dialogue, protagonist and plot is so terrible please?
Dialogue was mailny very cheesy. Like Anderson didn't do any research on the topic (i mean pyramids and stuff).
"My experts told me it's a pyramid. One expert tells me it's cambodian(...)"
Well, what experts? Just experts? They know that based on what? It isn't even shaped like a pyramid. Besides, calling them "experts" is lazy. Couldn't he come up with a name? "Dr. Fukovitch tells me it's cambodian", and then Sebastian answers "Dr. Fukovitch is often wrong. But I think this time he's right". It's so simple and much better than Anderson's lazy writing.
Also, I don't like telling the audience what they see. Predator is marking himself. Sebastian: "He's marking himself". OH REALLY? Does Anderson think i'm some kind of a moron? Or when they see the green flare, the chick says "we're direclty below the chamber". No shit, how did she figure that out?:) It's the same mistake Predators' writers made.
QuoteI personally think AvPR was a terrible piece of cinematography. The lighting was terrible, there was a teen drama, numerous in-universe flaws and a very clichéd way of introducing both species. Most of the characters were stereotypes of teenagers, with little to no complexity or depth. Plot was nonexistent.
I thought having Jesse taking off her clothes was a cheap way of attracting people's attentions.
Ok, it's your opinion; i like the photography in this movie, I don't like the cutting. It's dark, but it depends on a TV you use. Besides, the scaled-up dvd looks fine.
Now, let's analyze the characters.:) There's nothing to analyze, so: there's this convict, a teenager with his girlfirend, a cop, a soldier lady, a child and some other people we don't get to know because they die instantly.:) Each of main characters has his or hers storyline with background, so what would you excpet from a teenager if not a teenage drama? Besides, it's not that exposed. I seriously don't know why people don't like it so much. It's nothing really engaging, but it's not horrible.
QuoteBut what if you get it wrong. What if a movie that you thought was ambitious was actually mindless dumb shit.
Errare humanum est. Besides, those are only my opinions. I don't force anyone to agree. Although I like to discuss them.
QuotePlus that method seems a bit complex when comparing movies of the two types. It's why websites have a common rating system (usually out of 100 or 10.)
Sure, but don't treat every move like it's a form of art, or a mindless action flick, right? Because had you really used one judgement system with all movies, you'd have to give Requiem for a Dream a 0/10, cause there's no action and hardy any dialogue; or Terminator would get 1/10, because it doesn't have any deep characterization of main heroes.
Everything is relative. That's why I enjoy the first Alien and AVPR as well.
@SiL
That's your opinion. I don't think AVPR is incompetent. It's incompetence isn't some objective truth. And i'm afraid the problem is you can't accept it.
QuoteIt's incompetence isn't some objective truth.
When dealing with film-making, sure, there are objective levels of looking at whether something is competently or incompetently handled. There are rules to filmmaking and standards for storytelling that have been established over a hundred, and thousands, of years.
AvPR is, by any means, a shit film. Am I saying it's not enjoyable? No. And I never claimed that - Some people are
really interested by watching paint dry.
But (for me) its objective shittiness outweighs (for me) any potential entertainment value (for me).
ok i will say avpr is rather lame and stupid but i still enjoy it every once in a while. I guess i can just enjoy stupidity, the movie did need alot of f**king work though. So much crap they got so wrong at times lol.
anyways both movies need work and i still think they should get off there asses and make a truely good avp movie. But like you can expect though a movie with versus in its title is generally going to be a crapy cross over. Because making cross overs are tough and no one wants to put in the work for a good one. Doesn't mean its not possible though but no matter how hard you try it still won't be as good as a movie with a pure plot. By that i mean like one monster and problem revoling around the character and that monster. While two different monster brings in two different type of problems which causes confussion and agruments and ect. BUt if they tried really hard they still could make a damn good AVP movie.
i also tend to enjoy a wide varity of films, but if i just want watch some some stupid senseless action, i'll watch a movie like avpr but normally i tend to go for movies with a plot of some type.
Personally, and I just want to put this out there, I watch Requiem because it's good, mindless, fun. The plot holes, bad writing, bad acting, and dumbass Aliens are painful to watch, but...I dunno, first likings die hard.
I found nothing fun about having the urge to gouge out my own eyeballs, but hey; everybody has different taste.
At the end of the day...Commandos and Colonial Marines couldn't survive these creatures. But who walks out alive?! The pizza dweeb. And Dallas' "Get to the choppa" nearly wasn't as memorable. ::)
Everything was just so unsatisfying. The National Guard could have provided this film with good action and tension, and they get killed in what, 30, 40 seconds?
:D Yea!
They show up on Main Street and get whacked. Although when the Colonel is looking at the screen in the plane, one of the cameras has MISSION TIME 00:00 on it, from a helmet perspective. I thought it was a cute Easter egg. Still didn't save the movie from being shite though.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 28, 2010, 03:48:56 AM
Everything was just so unsatisfying. The National Guard could have provided this film with good action and tension, and they get killed in what, 30, 40 seconds?
Not as if the CMs lasted a mountain of time, either.
I know, but it was a wasted opportunity. I would have much rather preferred the military's perspective than the pizza boy's.
Both movies are unremarkable, but I prefer the first film for its visual style. The second film feels like it's just a collection of homages.
If you combined elements of both films, and still tweaked a few addittional things. You could've had a good AVP movie on their hands.
How anyone can watch Alien, Aliens, Predator and then watch AVP:R and feel good about the Strauses' "effort" aferward frankly boggles me.
After watching Alien Resurrection in patrticular, it's not hard. For me, anyway.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 14, 2010, 06:14:24 PM
After watching Alien Resurrection in patrticular, it's not hard. For me, anyway.
Agreed. A:R is probably my least favorite from either series. I like it but that's just me.
Quote from: DamnBirds on Mar 14, 2010, 05:34:15 AM
If you combined elements of both films, and still tweaked a few addittional things. You could've had a good AVP movie on their hands.
Yeah, y'know get a better writer, director, cinematographer, a new story concept, different effects company, someone fitting to score the film...
AvPR still winning? Yeesh!
We're getting there.
20 votes more or so!
Seems people are gradually coming to their senses...
The wheels of justice may be slow, but they are turning.
You guys are miserable :P
AVP=crap
AVPR=crap
We all lost. I prefer AVPR, but that's just me. :P
Careful, you might stir up a storm!
Stir, Stir, Stir... ;D
*Boom*
You hear that?
*Boom!*
That's the sound of the wrath you have incurred.
*BOOM!*
I am truly sorry, I really am.
*BOOM!*
You brought this upon yourself.
*BOOM!*
Rest assured, you have my sympathies.
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NOOOOOO! ;D
AVPR is still better!
AHHHHH!!!!!!!! He did it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
They're both bad movies. Is this a 'which is better' or 'which isn't the worst' thread? :P
Doesn't matter, we argue it ALL!
QuoteThe wheels of justice may be slow, but they are turning.
I may have to actually watch AvP:Poo for research shortly and therefore vote...
:o
Quote from: Yautja117 on Mar 17, 2010, 02:35:37 AM
NOOOOOO! ;D
AVPR is still better!
you kidding me? AVP somewhat tried to atleast have some build up to seeing the creatures face off even though it wasnt that good anyhow...but avp-r looks like a fan film with random fight scenes that really arent interesting....
AVP and AVPR sucked. Both did. I just happen to prefer one sucky movie over the other.
Quote from: Yautja117 on Mar 18, 2010, 11:46:58 PM
AVP and AVPR sucked. Both did. I just happen to prefer one sucky movie over the other.
oh thats fair enough....avp pawns it tho ;)
Sure it does. ;D
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 18, 2010, 11:45:17 PM
Quote from: Yautja117 on Mar 17, 2010, 02:35:37 AM
NOOOOOO! ;D
AVPR is still better!
you kidding me? AVP somewhat tried to atleast have some build up to seeing the creatures face off even though it wasnt that good anyhow...but avp-r looks like a fan film with random fight scenes that really arent interesting....
And yet, despite all the buildup, it was still a boring and dumb film. AvP:R isn't trying to do anything yet it still managed to entertain me.
Of course it was trying. Why would you think it wasn't?
Coz it was so dumb.
And you think that was what Zee Strauses intended?
Guess not. Coulda fooled me though. And hell, for a time they did!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 03:57:07 AM
And yet, despite all the buildup, it was still a boring and dumb film. AvP:R isn't trying to do anything yet it still managed to entertain me.
I'll take try and fail or not really try and still fail. ;D
I would rather reach for the stars and fall short, than reach for the gutter and fall in.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 19, 2010, 04:30:21 AM
I would rather reach for the stars and fall short, than reach for the gutter and fall in.
hit it right on the head there...
...when it fell in the gutter.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 03:58:51 AM
Coz it was so dumb.
And AvPR wasn't?...
"I'm going to let the Pred take off his mask."
The Predalien was changing himself, that's why he didn't do anything.
Quote from: Celtic-predator on Mar 19, 2010, 10:04:49 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 03:58:51 AM
Coz it was so dumb.
And AvPR wasn't?...
"I'm going to let the Pred take off his mask."
doomrulz was talking about avp-r
Quote from: The Demon on Mar 19, 2010, 10:33:30 AM
The Predalien was changing himself, that's why he didn't do anything.
What?
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 19, 2010, 12:08:37 PM
doomrulz was talking about avp-r
My bad. Apologies.
Quote from: SM on Mar 19, 2010, 05:42:41 AM
...when it fell in the gutter.
have you seen avpr yet? just wonderin like :)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2010, 03:57:07 AM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on Mar 18, 2010, 11:45:17 PM
Quote from: Yautja117 on Mar 17, 2010, 02:35:37 AM
NOOOOOO! ;D
AVPR is still better!
you kidding me? AVP somewhat tried to atleast have some build up to seeing the creatures face off even though it wasnt that good anyhow...but avp-r looks like a fan film with random fight scenes that really arent interesting....
And yet, despite all the buildup, it was still a boring and dumb film. AvP:R isn't trying to do anything yet it still managed to entertain me.
Saw it not too long ago, and despite the first half hour of buildup (which, to be fair, is well paced), it's actually action packed from that point on. Even though there's only a few, yet awesome, AvP moments, there's still enough action and suspense sequences involving humans to keep proceedings from getting boring. Anderson's top notch direction doesn't hurt matters either.
And on the whole Pred / Human team-up fiasco, it's not like it it lasts for any length of time! In fact it's almost over before it begins. I'll always cringe at the sight of Lex and Scar running down that corridor together, but at least they're not high-fiving each other!
Since first seeing it in 2004, my opinion of AvP has steadily risen from genuine dislike to the point that I now consider it as being,
whisper it... decent.
That is all.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 20, 2010, 02:18:56 PM
Saw it not too long ago, and despite the first half hour of buildup (which, to be fair, is well paced), it's actually action packed from that point on. Even though there's only a few, yet awesome, AvP moments, there's still enough action and suspense sequences involving humans to keep proceedings from getting boring. Anderson's top notch direction doesn't hurt matters either.
Really? You call running down dark corridors with fast cameras intense? I call it headache-inducing.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Mar 20, 2010, 02:18:56 PMAnd on the whole Pred / Human team-up fiasco, it's not like it it lasts for any length of time! In fact it's almost over before it begins. I'll always cringe at the sight of Lex and Scar running down that corridor together, but at least they're not high-fiving each other!
It was short sure, but it was still stupid. It wasn't needed considering Anderson could have written a team up in a different manner. Instead of Scar actually taking the time to make her weapons, let him run off since she killed the one Alien and gave him his caster, and then due to poor circumstances later on in the film, have them team up just to fight off the Queen. That would have been preferable to having them run along together, and then give the impression they were going to make out like animals right before the Queen exploded out of the ice.
You've forced me to do this, TJ. :D
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I like AVPR way more than AVP. AVP is a hearthless piece of shit, just made for the reason to make cash. AVPR is a lovely piece of shit, made for the reason to make the fans happy. That needs some respect.
Other way around.
Anderson attempted to make a good, or at least decent, movie.
The Bros attempted to make something they and a handful of their friends could jerk off to.
Other way around.
The Bros attempted to make a good, or at least decent, movie.
Anderson attempted to make something they and a handful of their friends could jerk off to.
You fail at trolling.
When you think up scenes and film them just because they're cool, while knowing that they're going to piss off fans but doing it anyway, you're not making a movie to please the fans. Hell, you're doing the exact f**king opposite, you're going out of your way to f**k with them.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 07:55:46 PM
Anderson attempted to make something they and a handful of their friends could jerk off to.
Okey, I know Anderson is pretty fast at directing, but since when there are 2? :o :o :o
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2010, 07:58:51 PM
When you think up scenes and film them just because they're cool, while knowing that they're going to piss off fans but doing it anyway, you're not making a movie to please the fans. Hell, you're doing the exact f**king opposite, you're going out of your way to f**k with them.
You just described AVP 1 and Anderson´s way filming it...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2010, 05:07:42 PM
Really? You call running down dark corridors with fast cameras intense? I call it headache-inducing.
Honestly?
I mean, what dark corridors? It's a rather well lit film. The camerawork was nice and steady. In fact... I believe you are thinking of
Requiem's Hospital scenes.
QuoteIt was short sure, but it was still stupid. It wasn't needed considering Anderson could have written a team up in a different manner. Instead of Scar actually taking the time to make her weapons, let him run off since she killed the one Alien and gave him his caster, and then due to poor circumstances later on in the film, have them team up just to fight off the Queen. That would have been preferable to having them run along together, and then give the impression they were going to make out like animals right before the Queen exploded out of the ice.
Look, I dislike the team-up as much as the next sane human being. It sucks. I'm not even going to try to defend it. In fact I agree with you.
But my point is that there simply wasn't much to it. It was just: Meeting - Bomb - Queen. The latter of which mainly involved Lex hotfooting it away from the Queen for dear life and letting Scar do all the work until she got lucky (unlucky for Scar) at the water tower.
Although I will say this: it didn't exactly take Scar long to put those makeshift weapons together. And it was hardly a heartfelt gesture either; more like "Hm, yeah, you're alright. I guess you could use this. Not that it'll actually do you much good..."
I'm done now.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 05:14:12 PM
You've forced me to do this, TJ. :D
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9464/lexscarhighfive.jpg
Your skills are improving, young Paintawan.
Thank you, master.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:12:52 PM
You just described AVP 1 and Anderson´s way filming it...
Except I didn't.
Anderson didn't think he was going to piss people off. He had the team-up because the comics did, and people didn't chuck too much of a shit when it did it.
The Bros
knew what they were doing was going to piss off half their audience; they did it anyway. They say as much on the commentaries, and don't care. Seriously, listen to that God-awful thing - "Yeah, we knew this was going to piss off the Alien fans."
Anderson doesn't spend time in his commentary actively pointing out the bits he knew would agitate people that he did anyway because he wanted to.
The Bros do.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2010, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:12:52 PM
You just described AVP 1 and Anderson´s way filming it...
Except I didn't.
Anderson didn't think he was going to piss people off. He had the team-up because the comics did, and people didn't chuck too much of a shit when it did it.
The Bros knew what they were doing was going to piss off half their audience; they did it anyway. They say as much on the commentaries, and don't care. Seriously, listen to that God-awful thing - "Yeah, we knew this was going to piss off the Alien fans."
Anderson doesn't spend time in his commentary actively pointing out the bits he knew would agitate people that he did anyway because he wanted to.
The Bros do.
Sorry, but i dont see any things in AVPR which could piss of fans. The only things which piss of fans come from the the first one into the second. Like earth. AVP had 1. Predator/Human love story 2. No gore 3. Shitty alien lifecycle 4. Fat predators 5. Predators die faster than human characters
AVPR had more or less everything what the fans wanted, but failed at really making it good: 1. Predalien 2. Badass Predator 3. Alien lifecycle which isnt speed up 4. Gore
Anderson didnt gave a shit, he just wanted to maximize his profit, with PG13 and generall focus on things which would look "cool" in the eyes of the youth.
You are really mixing up the two movies.
:o
I think SiL is about to destroy you.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 08:39:04 PM
You are really mixing up the two movies.
Explain or your argument is invalide.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
Sorry, but i dont see any things in AVPR which could piss of fans.
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.
Ok, i think i know were this is leading too. Im arguing with someone who just goes with the flow and who is totally unable to make up his own opinion.
So ill stop here, i mean, the one way or the other, it will lead to nothing.
Ohhh... anticlimax. :(
QuoteOk, i think i know were this is leading too. Im arguing with someone who just goes with the flow and who is totally unable to make up his own opinion.
If you're genuinely too stupid to see the threads of posts I and others have made about problems with AvPR, then you're talking about yourself here.
We see you trollin', we hatin'
Patrollin' we tryin' to catch you postin' dirty
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
Sorry, but i dont see any things in AVPR which could piss of fans.
As Sil pointed out, the Strause said they knew, so this is moot.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
The only things which piss of fans come from the the first one into the second. Like earth.
They did not have to follow this path. They did it anyway.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
AVP had 1. Predator/Human love story
Err, what? They worked together, that's not a love story.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
2. No gore
In the words of one of my favorite critics "Who gives a sh*t! If the story sucks, it doesnt MATTER what it's rated or how much gore it has!"
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
3. Shitty alien lifecycle
Both movies are equally guilty of that.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
4. Fat predators
Yeah, they do suck. They were carried over into AVP: R, too.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
5. Predators die faster than human characters
Either the aliens are the "ultimate" prey, or all of this versus nonsense is a load of crap. I like that the two nubs that were too gun-happy got owned. They werent prioritising, they got owned. Thats what happens when you SCREW AROUND when there are seven foot killing machines roaming around waiting to penetrate your face with a hydraulic mouth-tongue! The idea is to create menance and tension.
If there is no menance, no chance of the aliens actually kicking the Predators ass, there is no point to the versus.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
AVPR had more or less everything what the fans wanted, but failed at really making it good: 1. Predalien 2. Badass Predator 3. Alien lifecycle which isnt speed up 4. Gore
Aliens that arent a threat, teenagers for human protaganists, an IDIOT Predator who cant make up his mind about what his motivation is, an ARMY of one liners and homages ripped from the original films.... That is definitly not what this fan wanted to see.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
Anderson didnt gave a shit
Hardly. Anderson cared creatively, he just had some not-so-good ideas. Combine that with poor action directing and a meandering pace for the first two acts and you have the final package. A little work could have made AVP a different, but good, film.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:39:56 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 20, 2010, 08:39:04 PM
You are really mixing up the two movies.
Explain or your argument is invalide.
I'd rather not, but fine.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 20, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
Sorry, but i dont see any things in AVPR which could piss of fans.
Then you obviously haven't watched the Alien films often, or at all.
QuoteThe only things which piss of fans come from the the first one into the second.
Care to rephrase that? The way it's constructed, I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say.
QuoteLike earth.
At least they kept it to an isolated locale, where it's plausible that nobody would notice all the destruction and explosions. AvP:R(ectum) put it in the middle of a town of thousands.
QuoteAVP had 1. Predator/Human love story
I don't think you could qualify that as a love story, and, as SiL already stated, he was incorporating an element from the AvP comics that nobody had really been all that upset about.
Quote2. No gore
I'll admit, that was stupid, but I'll take "okay film with no gore" over "terrible film with excessive gore" any day.
Quote3. Shitty alien lifecycle
Something that was kept in the second film. In fact, they made it even worse. (f**king predalien* embryo shit!)
Quote4. Fat predators
Alright, understandable, but not every Predator has to look the same.
Quote5. Predators die faster than human characters
Actually, most of the humans die
before the Predators.
QuoteAVPR had more or less everything what the fans wanted, but failed at really making it good: 1. Predalien
It had almost nothing that the fans wanted; tense story? Nope. Characters? Non-existent. Formidable Aliens? Not even close. Competent Predator? Ha! The predalien*? Don't even get me started on that horrible abomination.
Quote2. Badass Predator
If by badass, you mean a completely incompetent fighter.
Quote3. Alien lifecycle which isnt speed up
Except that it is.
Quote4. Gore
Gore for gore's sake isn't a good thing.
QuoteAnderson didnt gave a shit, he just wanted to maximize his profit, with PG13 and generall focus on things which would look "cool" in the eyes of the youth.
Anderson did 'give a shit.' He tried to make a somewhat competent film and, even though the end result wasn't that good, it at least showed the effort. The Strauses were the ones that really didn't give a shit. They pitted an incompetent Predator against legions of retarded Aliens, all for the sake of making it look cool. They've said as much themselves, sans the incompetent part.
*may the curse upon its name be lifted
What's up with the Gore--->good argument? Since when you base the quality of a movie on the level of blood in it? i'm confused.
They're grabbing at straws, mate.
I don't think the guys trolling, It seems like he's actually that dense.
Yeah, it seemed genuine to me too, hence my long-winded response.
Did anyone else noticed that the pred that blew a hole in the hull of the ship blasted nothing. He turned to face a wall and then randomly...fired? WTH
Yeah, they searched an excuse for it to crash (and still today I can't find a reason to that dropship going back)
Quote from: Xenokiller on Mar 20, 2010, 09:18:11 PM
Did anyone else noticed that the pred that blew a hole in the hull of the ship blasted nothing. He turned to face a wall and then randomly...fired? WTH
Ya, I still don't understand that. Had he run down the hall, fired again, then missed, it would've made more sense.
And people say Anderson did the Preds a disservice :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 20, 2010, 09:19:22 PM
Yeah, they searched an excuse for it to crash (and still today I can't find a reason to that dropship going back)
The pyramind in AVP might not have been the last one on earth...
But the queen might have been the last one and transporting face huggers must be alot safer than transporting a queen.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 20, 2010, 09:19:22 PM
Yeah, they searched an excuse for it to crash (and still today I can't find a reason to that dropship going back)
Yeah,still pretty random.
The Unrated cut explains why it was a smaller ship than in AvP,but the scout ship turning back to earth is still there and still pretty random.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 20, 2010, 09:49:08 PM
And people say Anderson did the Preds a disservice :P
He did f**k up more so.
He made the Preds fat.
The Bros made them borderline retarded, shooting their own ship down and the whole Wolf thing.
He made the Preds fat, messed up their equipment, romanticized them, and turned them into idiots.
Wow, Doom, you still think AvPR is better, don't you? Why not just throw your (wrong) opinion away and tag along with the rest of us AvPR haters? ;D
Quote from: Puks on Mar 21, 2010, 03:42:52 PM
Wow, Doom, you still think AvPR is better, don't you? Why not just throw your (wrong) opinion away and tag along with the rest of us AvPR haters? ;D
Can't throw away something that doesn't exist.
Actually, Doom, I have my own hypothesis. ;D
You seem like a pretty smart guy, yet you defend the horrible abomination that is AvPR. Either you're a wanking predator fanboy (which you are not), OR you say you prefer AvPR just for the sake of being "different" and "alternative".
And wrong opinions do exist.
I prefer AvP:R because it entertained me. AvP didn't. It's as simple as that.
And what the hell is a "wrong opinion"?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2010, 06:20:57 AM
He made the Preds fat.
The Bros made them borderline retarded, shooting their own ship down and the whole Wolf thing.
Well, the only difference between Bros and Anderson predators, is how they were build.
Andersons Predators were just as retarded as the Aliens and Predators in AvP-R.
Both movies had Predators who didn't know what they where suppose to do.
They're suppose to be overconfident fanatic hunters skillfully hunting other life forms with their life on the line, returning with a trophy ain't the prize, it's a get out off "death" freecard. The prize is to be alive for the next hunt... more or less.
QuoteAnd what the hell is a "wrong opinion"?
Just a few..
Example 1: Creationist's opinion on evolution and the age of the universe.
Example 2: Conservative's opinion on cannabis.
Example 3: Neonazi's opinion on the Holocaust.
Example 4: DoomRulz's opinion on AvP.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2010, 03:36:05 PM
romanticized them
When?
The teamup was everything but romantic. At the end when Scar signs Lex he just showed respect for a valid ally.
Quote from: Xenokiller on Mar 20, 2010, 09:18:11 PM
Did anyone else noticed that the pred that blew a hole in the hull of the ship blasted nothing. He turned to face a wall and then randomly...fired? WTH
Didnt he fired at the predalien?
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 21, 2010, 04:18:15 PM
Quote from: Xenokiller on Mar 20, 2010, 09:18:11 PM
Did anyone else noticed that the pred that blew a hole in the hull of the ship blasted nothing. He turned to face a wall and then randomly...fired? WTH
Didnt he fired at the predalien?
Yes, but the Predalien was quicker, saw it comming perhaps.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 21, 2010, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 21, 2010, 03:36:05 PM
romanticized them
When?
The teamup was everything but romantic. At the end when Scar signs Lex he just showed respect for a valid ally.
Really? The brief scene between the ice crumbling on the surface and the Queen exploding out of the ruins would've suggested otherwise.
I'd say you see what you want to see.
Perv! ;D
Sure.
Quote from: Puks on Mar 21, 2010, 04:07:05 PM
QuoteAnd what the hell is a "wrong opinion"?
Just a few..
Example 1: Creationist's opinion on evolution and the age of the universe.
Example 2: Conservative's opinion on cannabis.
Example 3: Neonazi's opinion on the Holocaust.
Example 4: DoomRulz's opinion on AvP.
ha haaaaaa!
Whoa! AVPR has more votes than AVP? That's just sad. Sure AVPR has a better Predator than the first, but come on, really? Jesus Christ...
but ist got kool gore n stuf!
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 21, 2010, 06:53:20 PM
but ist got kool gore n stuf!
I'm no stranger to sarcasm, War...
I recently saw AvP:R(ectum) again with my brother, and damn, is it a horrible film. Like, Plan 9 bad. We couldn't stop laughing, yet at the same time I was sad; sad for what had happened to these two iconic movie monsters. I shall now rant in a disorderly fashion about what I hated in this film.
First of all, the story. Well, not much I can say about it, as there wasn't really one. All I know for sure is that what little there was, was incredibly stupid and resulted in many an expression of merriment. Many things that seemed like they would be very important and interesting were just thrown in at random moments, without any hint earlier in the film that they were there. Seriously, why couldn't they have made the movie about the people in a standoff in the centre of town, or about the soldiers trying to retake it? That would have been infinitely better than the pizza-boy. Also, how, if trained soldiers with advanced equipment were taken out in about 2 minutes, did the populace with greatly inferior weapons manage to survive? As my brother pointed out, the entire thing seemed like it was written by a five year old, simply wanting to have a lot of "cool" things, whilst completely ignoring stuff such as coherent plot. I could write something better!
Now the editing. This was a real shit-fest. Scenes would suddenly end and you'd just appear in another one with entirely different characters. Every thing was very choppy and sporadic, going wildly from one locale to another without any transitions or logical flow. I can honestly say the story was worse in this than in Plan 9, as was the editing. Think about that for a bit. This movie had worse transitions and writing than what is often considered the worst film ever made. I shall now let that sink in.
Another thing that was terrible was the score; it was way too loud. In order for us to have the music at a bearable level, my brother and I had to turn the volume down so low that we could barely hear what the "characters" were saying. It was horribly done, and it just made us laugh some more at how bad this film was. The lighting was also way too dark, especially in the last third. We'd see something move, something else would fly through the air, and it would just leave us completely baffled at what just happened.
The characters weren't even at the level of one-dimensional. Seriously, there was nothing about them that distinguished them from each other, and there were way too many. The only one I could reliably tell apart was the sheriff, and that's because he was the only one that wasn't white! They spent way too much time developing too many characters, only to have most of them killed in a few minutes. Why not just develop a few, and have them last the entire movie?
Now for the creatures themselves; this was where they really screwed the pooch. My brother, who isn't a big fan of either series, was able to tell that they'd f**ked up big time. They gave us a severely incompetent Predator, fighting fodderized Aliens. This film was awful, terrible, and completely removed every element that made the other films in the series unique and compelling.
/rant
Quote from: Death Machine on Mar 21, 2010, 06:45:40 PM
Whoa! AVPR has more votes than AVP? That's just sad. Sure AVPR has a better Predator than the first, but come on, really? Jesus Christ...
I know it's sad..........
@SpaceMarines: I agree, I was just thinking what a shame it is that our beloved creatures have been reduced to some crappy monster mash-up instead of what should be an epic horror/action movie.
I know. I didn't even mention everything that pissed me off about the film, and look how long that post was!
QuoteFirst of all, the story. Well, not much I can say about it, as there wasn't really one.
I've watched most of the first hour or so. As I said on another thread, it was a web stream in Hindi, so I won't comment on the dialogue. The reason I stopped watching was because it was so dark that I often couldn't tell what was happening. and it was giving me a headache.
However - there was a story in there. Predator tries to clean up an Alien infestation. The problem I could see without the benefit of dialogue is that there's too many characters. The Sheriff, Dallas, Ricky, Reiko Aylesworth and Newt, the blond chick, the bully and his cohorts. If Dallas and Reiko are supposed to be the leads, then we need to spend the vast bulk of the first hour with them. Instead we jump all over the place and end up not particularly caring when they end up together.
And though I haven't see the rest, I can guess that they're going to spend the rest of the film running away. Which was a major problem with AvP (and you could even go so far as to level the same accusation at Resurrection, though to a much lesser extent). The humans in an AvP flick need to be more involved. The Predator kills the humans who were supposed to care about so he's not the protagonist. It's not the Aliens - so it needs to be the humans. And yet in both AvPs they're so dull and uninteresting. And they don't do anything except run away.
In the Alien flicks (and Predator flicks come to think of it) there was at least some effort to fight back - be it trying to force an Alien out an airlock, blow up the ship, drown it in hot lead, whatever. And when we do get the 'running away' in Aliens it's a running battle against the Aliens AND time that goes for the better part of 40 minutes.
Exactly. It's just terrible; they do nothing to try and make you care about the characters.
Thing is, there was the seed of an interesting idea with the relationship between Reiko and daughter, which should've been exploited early and often. Though of course this would be tricky because you have the obvious Ripley/ Newt comparisons, where Newt is initially 'hostile' to Ripley.
However, like the potentially interesting dynamic with Miller and Verheiden, it never goes beyond a vague idea (at least as far as I could tell - see caveats above).
The plot flows better after the second or third viewing.
Good luck getting to that many.
But that's one of the many many (etc.) problems with the film; the Bros were editing the film with the mindset of having seen it fifty billion times, at which point it doesn't seem rushed. They basically edited it for your third viewing, not your first, which is one of those really annoying things you have to be careful of when editing.
Editing was a huge problem that affected the Unrated Cut. Why the hell would they put the conversation b/w Jesse and Ricky in front of the pizza place in between shots of Wolf in the sewer? Yech.
That never bothered me for some reason. I don't remember how the theatrical cut did it.
Conversation, then straight to the sewers which I preferred at least the sewer sequence was semi-tense. Cutting it in half like that just killed it.
The start with the Predator ship detaching made no sense in the theatrical (I think that's what I was watching). Nor did the barfing down the throat thing (aside from the usual reasons). By that point the Aliens had slaughtered everyone they'd come across - why not abduct them and wait for something to start making eggs? Or at least abduct them so the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) could barf down their throats?
I did a recut where all that crap happend earlier, and the Sewer fight took place at night. Right after the Wolf destroyed the evidence of the Aliens. It worked better....but the movie still sucked.
AvP is the better movie. Atleast it tried.
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 05:23:48 AM
The start with the Predator ship detaching made no sense in the theatrical (I think that's what I was watching).
If it has the ship detaching you were watching the extended cut.
SM watched AvP:R?
Did the universe just go out of balance?!?!!
Not all of it.
QuoteI've watched most of the first hour or so. As I said on another thread, it was a web stream in Hindi, so I won't comment on the dialogue. The reason I stopped watching was because it was so dark that I often couldn't tell what was happening. and it was giving me a headache.
I have to meet a friend of a friend who's doing a PhD thesis on producers and fans of transmedia texts focusing on AvP, so I thought I should at least try.
I fail.
Which = win.
QuoteIf it has the ship detaching you were watching the extended cut.
Why did it detach though? I thought I read that the extended cut had the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) on the loose THEN it detached. The cut I saw, it just detached and headed back to Earth for no apparent reason.
Yeah, that's the extended cut.
You should watch the whole thing, if just to be able to truly hate it.
Also, to know that anyone who tells you CGI can't make a movie worse is f**king lying. Jessie's death near the end of the film? Worked perfectly in the theatrical cut, then in the Extended Cut they have her splitting in half, turning everyone's pitch-perfect reaction shots into hilarious underacting.
QuoteYou should watch the whole thing, if just to be able to truly hate it.
I really couldn't. My head still hurts from straining to see whats going on, and I'll be buggered if I'm going to rent it...
I'm totally with you SiL. Actually, after you pointed that out, I realized how utterly retarded it was.
I mean, I laughed because of how over the top it was...but now I cant stop looking at Ricky's face. He's totally oblivious to the fact his girl friend just snapped in half, and her guts are falling all over the place....lol.
Quote from: SM on Mar 22, 2010, 05:42:37 AM
I really couldn't. My head still hurts from straining to see whats going on, and I'll be buggered if I'm going to rent it...
Nowhere near you has a cheap rental day?
Rent it for a dollar, then watch little bits of it at a time so as not to cause a brain hemorrhage.
VideoEzy has 95c Tuesdays, but even that's pushing it's luck.
I'm still annoyed at the side effects of watching as much as I did... >:(
Try re-editing it.
It was painful.
Rent a really, really good film at the same time - Like Moon - to try and compensate for AvPR's suckiness.
If you ever want to commit suicide, AvPR + Director's Commentary.
I have to finish writing my own little short moon-based flick* before I watch Moon.
* - Which of course will never be made.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2010, 05:49:35 AM
Rent a really, really good film at the same time - Like Moon - to try and compensate for AvPR's suckiness.
If you ever want to commit suicide, AvPR + Director's Commentary.
I was fueming when I heard it.
"Oh yeah, this probably pissed off the Alien fans!"
Ha ha ha.... no shit you ass.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2010, 05:20:09 AM
That never bothered me for some reason. I don't remember how the theatrical cut did it.
There were a bunch scenes that got cut out after the Sheriff finds the skinned body of the cop. You have the whole second day at school where Ricky kicks Dale's ass and the following scene where Dallas tries to tell him to shape up or he's going to end up like him. Then it cuts to Wolf entering the sewers. They then cut to the scene with Jesse and Ricky outside the pizza place. None of this fit of course and it was much better in the T-Cut where it just cut from the Cop/coroner scene to Wolf entering the sewers. Tacky editing I must say.
Talking about it and trying rationalize it just doesn't work either.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2010, 05:39:59 AM
Yeah, that's the extended cut.
You should watch the whole thing, if just to be able to truly hate it.
Also, to know that anyone who tells you CGI can't make a movie worse is f**king lying. Jessie's death near the end of the film? Worked perfectly in the theatrical cut, then in the Extended Cut they have her splitting in half, turning everyone's pitch-perfect reaction shots into hilarious underacting.
For some reason, that was left out of the Blu-Ray version.
just saying , avp did have a far better soundtrack.
From what I heard AvP:Poo was adequate. Incredibly derivative, but adequate.
AvPR was just the soundtracks of the first six movies in a blender with Mars.
^^ lol.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Mar 22, 2010, 06:00:42 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2010, 05:20:09 AM
That never bothered me for some reason. I don't remember how the theatrical cut did it.
There were a bunch scenes that got cut out after the Sheriff finds the skinned body of the cop. You have the whole second day at school where Ricky kicks Dale's ass and the following scene where Dallas tries to tell him to shape up or he's going to end up like him. Then it cuts to Wolf entering the sewers. They then cut to the scene with Jesse and Ricky outside the pizza place. None of this fit of course and it was much better in the T-Cut where it just cut from the Cop/coroner scene to Wolf entering the sewers. Tacky editing I must say.
Talking about it and trying rationalize it just doesn't work either.
What? That wasnt in the move.... ???
no, no it was not..... ???
Yeah, he kind'a points that out by the end of the post.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2010, 06:39:06 AM
AvPR was just the soundtracks of the first six movies in a blender with Mars.
And half a bottle of rum.
its like choosing shit with peanuts in it, and shit with corn
Quote from: SiL on Mar 22, 2010, 06:39:06 AM
AvPR was just the soundtracks of the first six movies in a blender with Mars.
I still hand it to Brian Tyler, I thought his score was more intense than AvP's.
By virtue of ripping off everyone else :P
Yeah, didn't really sound like "his score" so much as nicking stuff from everyone elses.
I wouldn't call the music played during the opening ship sequence a rip-off.
It wasn't memorable enough to register.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2010, 02:50:46 AM
I wouldn't call the music played during the opening ship sequence a rip-off.
Well, yeah, it kinda was. It sounded like a trailer track I had heard before.
Which one?
The music that opens the movie is taken from Mars, part of Holst's The Planets suite.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 23, 2010, 11:12:00 AM
The music that opens the movie is taken from Mars, part of Holst's The Planets suite.
That, and it really reminds me of Gothic Power by X-RAY DOG. The main line of Gothic Power sounds pretty much the same as the main line of the opener for AVPR...
AvP soundtrack is amazing! The main battle of the film (Grid Vs Celtic) is well highlighted by the music, as well as the flashback and the ending.
I love avp 1. I voted for it just because i enjoyed it more and the pred design was bulkier. And i preffer the flat headed aliens.
You are the first person I have ever seen who considers the bulky Preds in AvP a good thing.
I didn't actually mind bulky Predators. Mainly because I doubt a skinny ass creature such as from Predator 2 would survive hand to hand if it didn't have the strength to throw it about.
What makes you think Pussyface was physically weak?
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 22, 2010, 06:35:22 AM
just saying , avp did have a far better soundtrack.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2010, 04:45:31 PM
What makes you think Pussyface was physically weak?
I really don't want to start a new discussion here, but failure to lift a log, for example? You could say he was mortally wounded, though. But that ain't got no effect on the fact that Aliens can rip through steel doors, so IMO, Bulky Predators weren't that bad, since it gave them a reason to be actually hurling the Grid Alien around like Celtic did. Though I would of preferred a more Traditional Predator anyday.
Well first of all, it was Anytime who was hit with the log, so you might want to re-watch the movies. And ya, like you said he was half-way near dead so I doubt he had any strength left in him.
In the 2 disc set of AvP Anderson says that the Predators are bulkier because the're fighting fookin aliens.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Mar 24, 2010, 04:41:32 PM
I didn't actually mind bulky Predators. Mainly because I doubt a skinny ass creature such as from Predator 2 would survive hand to hand if it didn't have the strength to throw it about.
Did you see that creatures trophy room? ;)
One of the best scenes in Predator 2 IMHO.
Definitely, that expansion gave a better glimpse of the creature's culture.
I still want to see at least one of those skulls "alive"... mainly that four jawed Reptile Monster.
How is AVPR out in front in this poll and in every other poll, discussion its absolutely panned by the majority?
Poll started practically when AvPR was released, and at the time there were tons of members that were enthusiasts about AvPR. They either left the forum, or changed their mind.
Quote from: Keg on Mar 29, 2010, 11:28:14 AM
How is AVPR out in front in this poll and in every other poll, discussion its absolutely panned by the majority?
I blame the 14 year olds.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Poll started practically when AvPR was released, and at the time there were tons of members that were enthusiasts about AvPR. They either left the forum, or changed their mind.
or where teenagers who wherent that bothered about the original movies an thought AVPR was the greatest monster movie theyd ever seen.
Quote from: Keg on Mar 29, 2010, 12:28:22 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Poll started practically when AvPR was released, and at the time there were tons of members that were enthusiasts about AvPR. They either left the forum, or changed their mind.
or where teenagers who wherent that bothered about the original movies an thought AVPR was the greatest monster movie theyd ever seen.
See, the poll is AvP Vs. AvPR. I bet most of the votes come from people which have just seen it in theaters (did it merit theaters? ::))
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 09:42:51 AM
In the 2 disc set of AvP Anderson says that the Predators are bulkier because the're fighting fookin aliens.
And Anderson also said Anytime and Pussyface were kids. You believe that too?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 09:42:51 AM
In the 2 disc set of AvP Anderson says that the Predators are bulkier because the're fighting fookin aliens.
And Anderson also said Anytime and Pussyface were kids. You believe that too?
I'm not saying anything. That just what he said, nothing less, nothing more.
And I'm saying he's full of shit. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's just say that only what is onscreen is canon, 'kay?
That's fair, but it's that sort of material that ruins the film.
AvP at least didn't introduce the Predalien's reproduction method... ::)
Yup, no doubt.
In fact AvP introduced only the "Manhood passage" for the Predators.
I have no problem with that. I just think Anderson's execution wasn't the greatest.
And that they teach humans in their spare-time. Oh, and I forgot they build pyramids. And can fall in love with humans. And are total idiots. And I won't go on.
The blooding is a logical assuption, yet not Anderson's own idea.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Mar 29, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
And can fall in love with humans.
Where was this shown in the movie again?
Guess where
I accept is an arrogant post, sorry.
I mean the almost kissy-kissy moment between scar and lex. Maybe you didn't find that extremely cheesy and, well, s*ck, but I did. My reference to it was just an outburst. Don't take it seriously if you don't wish. It's not stated anywhere.
I know what is the moment you are talkin' about, but Scar just showed respect to a valid assistant marking her and lowering his head.
We see differently. I accept your view as what I say isn't stated anywhere. I see that some stupid try to bring affection to the movie scene. It just shows me that they wanted to make it like scar gave respect, they failed. But again, I was a bit hot headed. Happens.
But we all agree on one thing:
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OMG!!
Ya. OMG!
It's a f**king horrible design.
That surprised face is fantastic :D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 04:52:12 PM
But we all agree on one thing:
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OMG!!
well, after this brainwash, I agree on anything... :)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 29, 2010, 04:52:12 PM
But we all agree on one thing:
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OMG!!
Everytime I see the ADI Pred Face... I...
:'( :( :'(
I fear what came after.
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The almighty Wolfctopus.
At least Wolf was thin.
In all fairness Anytime wasn't exactly Wolf's build. Nor was Pussyface. They both were packing a few pounds.
Sure as hell weren't the AvP Predators though.
Well...I got nothing against how the AVP predators were built, it was their gear that made them look "fat",
I think it's the same thing with Wolf, only the other way around, he had lesser gear, his belt was low cut, resting on his hips not on his waist. His leg protection was on the front not the sides, making him look slimmer.
Quote from: Aeus on Mar 29, 2010, 05:56:28 PM
In all fairness Anytime wasn't exactly Wolf's build. Nor was Pussyface. They both were packing a few pounds.
They were pudgy; I'd say the 'right' size for a Predator. The AvP Preds were on another planet altogether.
What little I saw of Wolf's build looked more like the original than the AvP shoulder pad brigade.
Quote from: SM on Mar 30, 2010, 02:08:53 AM
What little I saw of Wolf's build looked more like the original than the AvP shoulder pad brigade.
:D nicely put
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I know her from Star Trek TOS, but are you telling me you're pleased or offended?
Neither.
More the resemblence between her and AvP Predators.
I notice that hair is friggin outrageous, so there's definitely that since you know, Anderson increased their hair length.
He said that scar had more "Predlocks" because he was supposed to be the most handsome pred ever...
And more of his B.S., so there you go.
Quote from: Xenokiller on Mar 31, 2010, 02:52:56 AM
He said that scar had more "Predlocks" because he was supposed to be the most handsome pred ever...
I'd hit Anytime way before i'd hit Scar.
Just make sure you give Monsterbait a call before you do so he can get an artist's rendering :D
HOW IS AVPR STILL WINNING!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? :o >:(
Cos I haven't voted yet.
Well what are you waiting for? Justice must be served!
I don't think the man cares enough.
I can't believe AvP:R is winning, considering it is also voted worst film out of the entire franchise in another thread.
It's a funny world we live in.
DoomRulz made 200 additional accounts just to vote for AvPR in this thread. ;D
Wise guy...
It's only winning by 16 votes.
Winning is winning.
It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile!
You'll need to create a few more accounts pretty soon.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 02, 2010, 10:20:16 PM
Winning is winning.
It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile!
this aint drag racing here
It is a race, though.
A lot has changed.
Why is AVP:Retarded still winning?
Quote from: Xenokiller on Apr 04, 2010, 03:03:23 AM
Why is AVP:Retarded still winning?
Because most people think that AVP:
Requiem is better
It's because this poll was made when the movie came out, and it took a while for it to sink in how bad the film was to some people.
Quote from: Puks on Apr 02, 2010, 09:54:30 PM
DoomRulz made 200 additional accounts just to vote for AvPR in this thread. ;D
I knew it! :o
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2010, 04:53:27 AM
It's because this poll was made when the movie came out, and it took a while for it to sink in how bad the film was to some people.
Quoted for truth.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2010, 04:53:27 AM
It's because this poll was made when the movie came out, and it took a while for it to sink in how bad the film was to some people.
You guys always find a excuse
What do you mean?
It was an awful film that rode a wave of denial-ridden hysteria based on poor reception of the previous film, the fandom based around the comics and people just wanting to believe that it's good.
I'd agree with that. But I still think it's entertaining.
And that's fair enough.
The predator/fight scenes are great and the girl at the pool :P - apart from that its crap.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 04, 2010, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2010, 04:53:27 AM
It's because this poll was made when the movie came out, and it took a while for it to sink in how bad the film was to some people.
You guys always find a excuse
In this poll is winning.
But if you see, in the 99% of the AVPG Topics, AvPR is bashed in every way possible.
313 to 329.
Not long now!
AvP and AvPR are both near the Goal. AvPR is in pole position, it's winning!
No Mac, look AvP is gaining field, it is reaching quickly its opponent!
What an Epic Race my friends, what an epic race! Who will win, Jeff?
Whoever wins, we lose.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 05, 2010, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 04, 2010, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2010, 04:53:27 AM
It's because this poll was made when the movie came out, and it took a while for it to sink in how bad the film was to some people.
You guys always find a excuse
In this poll is winning.
But if you see, in the 99% of the AVPG Topics, AvPR is bashed in every way possible.
Ok
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 05, 2010, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 04, 2010, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 04, 2010, 04:53:27 AM
It's because this poll was made when the movie came out, and it took a while for it to sink in how bad the film was to some people.
You guys always find a excuse
In this poll is winning.
But if you see, in the 99% of the AVPG Topics, AvPR is bashed in every way possible.
Your point being?
Quoteit took a while for it to sink in how bad the film was to some people.
Yet it's the same people doing the bashing in each thread, each time.
Don't give a f**k either way - however you asked for the point and there it is.
Lovely. But the bashing doesn't mean much to me if it's the same 8 or 10 people crying.
Yet if your beloved AvP:Poo is gradually being over taken in the votes then it would indicate it's not the doing of 8 to 10 people.
Beloved...so dramatic...
"precious"? "darling"?
You drama queen, you.
Dunno if I'd be throwing stones in your glass house there...
Well mercifully I live in a condo. So best of luck, shorty!
i did like both of the movies,but AVPR was better than AVP!those two predators died too soon,the Scar Predator didnt look like real Predator!!seriously,the Scar Predator looked terrible!! >:(AVPR was a little better,but still..........if you want to know what i think-theres should not be an AVP!!!! >:( SERIOUSLY
Words. Do. Not. Comprehend.
Quote from: alberts on Apr 06, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
those two predators died too soon,
And yet three Predators died in the beginning of AvPR without so much as a struggle...
I really don't get what's so bad about three Predators going down so quickly, when they're up against, you know; a frickin' Alien.
The so called "Perfect organism." who's "structural perfection is matched only by its hostility."!
Yeah, remember him? Oh no, of course not. Cos' Aliens proceeded to piss all over that concept and turn 'em into mindless "bugs".
Oh and FYI; this is coming from a Predator fan.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 10:08:26 PM
Quote from: alberts on Apr 06, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
those two predators died too soon,
And yet three Predators died in the beginning of AvPR without so much as a struggle...
I only saw 2 dying... and both were distracted and didnt expect to have a predalien in the ship, its not like in avp where one was killed by a 3 meter tail and the other was dumb like hell
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 06, 2010, 10:27:05 PM
I really don't get what's so bad about three Predators going down so quickly, when they're up against, you know; a frickin' Alien.
The so called "Perfect organism." who's "structural perfection is matched only by its hostility."!
Yeah, remember him? Oh no, of course not. Cos' Aliens proceeded to piss all over that concept and turn 'em into mindless "bugs".
Oh and FYI; this is coming from a Predator fan.
Exactly. Ash's speech was one of the most powerful parts of the film, and certainly left the greatest impression the first time I saw it. Then all this shit happened.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 06, 2010, 11:19:25 PM
I only saw 2 dying...
After the ship had crashed.
Quoteand both were distracted and didnt expect to have a predalien in the ship,
Chopper was also distracted in
AvP.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 06, 2010, 11:48:04 PM
After the ship had crashed.
After the ship crashed the only pred that was killed was the one that blowed the ship... unless you are counting Wolf but I thought we were talking about AvPr's beggining
Quote
Chopper was also distracted in AvP.
Yeah... but instead of being grabbed by a alien and then being headbited, he was impaled and then lifted by a 3 meter tail
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 06, 2010, 10:27:05 PM
I really don't get what's so bad about three Predators going down so quickly, when they're up against, you know; a frickin' Alien.
The so called "Perfect organism." who's "structural perfection is matched only by its hostility."!
Yeah, remember him? Oh no, of course not. Cos' Aliens proceeded to piss all over that concept and turn 'em into mindless "bugs".
Oh and FYI; this is coming from a Predator fan.
Being up against an Alien doesn't mean anything. If Aliens were so damn perfect, they wouldn't be at a complete disadvantage at long range. Up close is where there strength lies.
Being up against an Alien means absolutely everything.
Being that this is Alien vs. Predator.
It means nothing in the sense, that just because it's an Alien doesn't mean the Predator will automatically lose which is what I assumed Harrigan was implying with his post.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 07, 2010, 12:35:06 AM
After the ship crashed the only pred that was killed was the one that blowed the ship...
Yes. Which the PredAlien killed.
QuoteYeah... but instead of being grabbed by a alien and then being headbited, he was impaled and then lifted by a 3 meter tail
What's the length of the tail got to do with anything?
He was impaled by a tail, end sentence. Nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 07, 2010, 02:15:41 AM
Yes. Which the PredAlien killed.
I know!
Quote
What's the length of the tail got to do with anything?
He was impaled by a tail, end sentence. Nothing wrong with that.
If the tail wasnt so big it wouldnt reach him, and Chopper should have done something after being impaled
The tail went through his spine. You can't do much when you're paralysed.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 07, 2010, 02:40:43 AM
The tail went through his spine. You can't do much when you're paralysed.
The fact they had a predator with those massive blades on each arm and you don't get to see him do anything except kick some bint when shes down because she goes for an ice pick, that's what was disappointing to me, at least have him slice an alien in half or somethng before he gets impaled by grid.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 07, 2010, 01:53:44 AM
It means nothing in the sense, that just because it's an Alien doesn't mean the Predator will automatically lose which is what I assumed Harrigan was implying with his post.
No.
What I was trying to get across is that in the original Alien film, the creature is portrayed as a perfect organism who's very nature is to kill. So taking this into account, why is it such a big deal when an Alien takes out two Predators in quick succession?
And that's not to mention the fact that the Predators in
AvP are hunting these Aliens because it's considered a "right of passage", suggesting that the Alien must be a formidable opponent... or why bother at all?
Disproving the default belief that Predators will generally beat an Alien only gets sweeter when its supported by Predator-preferential fans themselves.
Unpredictable, context-sensitive battles ftw.
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 07, 2010, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 07, 2010, 02:40:43 AM
The tail went through his spine. You can't do much when you're paralysed.
The fact they had a predator with those massive blades on each arm and you don't get to see him do anything except kick some bint when shes down because she goes for an ice pick, that's what was disappointing to me, at least have him slice an alien in half or somethng before he gets impaled by grid.
It's the perfect killing organism, it can and will sneak up on Predators. Predators can't just "slice an Alien in half" either. It's the same AvP:R bullshit getting into your heads. In all honesty, the Alien killing two Predators demonstrates rather nicely how dangerous they are; albeit with massive hulk Predators anyway. If the Predator wasn't a steroid junky that fight would of ended much quicker.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 07, 2010, 12:17:52 PM
It's the perfect killing organism, it can and will sneak up on Predators. Predators can't just "slice an Alien in half" either. It's the same AvP:R bullshit getting into your heads. In all honesty, the Alien killing two Predators demonstrates rather nicely how dangerous they are; albeit with massive hulk Predators anyway. If the Predator wasn't a steroid junky that fight would of ended much quicker.
And if celtic had his shoulder cannon grid would have died when he pounced or even while he was up high, if his wrist blades hadn't melted(which is just awful) he'd have killed grid when he was in the net or sooner.
I get what you're saying, aliens are deadly, no shit, they are awesome killing machines, but the manner in which the predators died is just hard to take.
How is it hard to take?
Chopper was preoccupied and caught off guard.
Celtic put up a good fight but in close quarters combat the Alien was stronger. End of.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Apr 07, 2010, 12:17:52 PM
It's the perfect killing organism, it can and will sneak up on Predators. Predators can't just "slice an Alien in half" either. It's the same AvP:R bullshit getting into your heads. In all honesty, the Alien killing two Predators demonstrates rather nicely how dangerous they are; albeit with massive hulk Predators anyway. If the Predator wasn't a steroid junky that fight would of ended much quicker.
It
was the perfect killing organism, since ALIENS they became space bugs. Ripley killed a bunch of aliens and even the queen and you still think that they can kill a pred with no problem?
If the aliens werent turned into bugs, i dont think many fans would bitch about 2 preds being killed by a alien, if it was like the one in ALIEN
Ripley never killed the Queen.
And Aliens are still deadly since Aliens. They kicked the ass of a bunch of Marines armed to teeth. If that isn't enough for you guys...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 07, 2010, 04:43:37 PM
Ripley never killed the Queen.
And Aliens are still deadly since Aliens. They kicked the ass of a bunch of Marines armed to teeth. If that isn't enough for you guys...
Ok... she defeated it.
Yeah, 150 aliens againt 15 marines... really fair, 3 aliens like the one in ALIEN would have done the same
Aliens got hardly any from them killed out. it was like 4 or 5 killed by the Marines, if I'm not wrong. And who says that 3 Aliens from the second film couldn't do the same? :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 07, 2010, 04:50:52 PM
Aliens got hardly any from them killed out. it was like 4 or 5 killed by the Marines, if I'm not wrong. And who says that 3 Aliens from the second film couldn't do the same? :P
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Im out of here
By the marines.
Ripley doesn't count.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 07, 2010, 04:58:35 PM
By the marines.
Ripley doesn't count.
The marines wiped out lots with the sentry guns.
Is that scene even canon?
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 07, 2010, 05:21:19 PM
The marines wiped out lots with the sentry guns.
I guess what you are talking about is either in the director's cut or a special cut, because I've seen only the theatrical cut, sorry.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 07, 2010, 05:23:10 PM
Is that scene even cannon?
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;D
*sighs*
You knew what I meant.
I bet ya' feel reeeeaaaaal sweet dun't ya'!
Haha, just playing is all.
I don't know if it is considered canon, I've only seen the version of aliens with that scene included, I thought it was the cinematic version I saw, I guess it was the directors cut.
But if Jim Cameron says this is my directors cut i.e. how I wanted the film from the beginning, who are we to argue?
Thoughts?
Well for me personally, I only consider the theatrical cuts of each film as canon. However back in 2003 (I think it was), Ridley rereleased Alien the director's cut theatrically. So that opens a whole other can of worms, what with the egg morphing scene and what not.
I heard a rumour that in the directors cut of AvP:R wolf escapes from the aliens on his skateboard and they crash into a truck and get covered in manure as a homage to back to the future.
The sad thing is, that would actually make it more watchable.
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 07, 2010, 05:43:53 PM
I heard a rumour that in the directors cut of AvP:R wolf escapes from the aliens on his skateboard and they crash into a truck and get covered in manure as a homage to back to the future.
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It's ridiculously stupid.
They can cut the f**king power but run mindlessly into Sentry Guns.
QuoteThey can cut the f**king power but run mindlessly into Sentry Guns.
Do they?
Here's what both movies are.
AvP, is like getting slapped in the face by a person with duct tape on their hand. So when they retract, it hurts like a bitch. You'll heal.
AvP-R, is like someone punching you in the stomach, causing you to vomit, then pushing you INTO your vomit, making you lap it up like a dog, then finally taking a nasty taco dump on your face.
You'll need therapy.
QuoteIt was re-inserted into the AC, ergo it's canon.
Aliens had an SE - not an AC. Know thy acronyms!
*inhales*
Ppppppppppppssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Everybody seems to think that the Aliens running into the sentry guns was them being dumb, bug like creatures just running at them. But we dont actually see the aliens or how many there are, or how many even die as a result. Ive actually always interpreted that scene as the Aliens being smart. Theyve obviously got numbers on their side so theyre testing the perimeters and when the guns keep firing they back off. if the guns had ran out ( and luckily they hold out just long enough) they would of came all the way, but the aliens back off because for all they know the guns will keep firing forever and they know they cant get in that way so they try to find another way in.....which they do. Hmmm yeah that makes em seem dumb all right. The marines where actually lucky that the aliens wheren't stupid and kept coming because then the guns would have went dry and they would of kept on coming as a result.
They kept until running until they realized that wasn't going to work. There's a reason why the last sentry gun didn't run dry. If they were so intelligent, they would've stopped yonks ago.
We are a species literally capable of creating rocket scientists, yet we have plenty of examples of soldiers being made to run unarmed at fortified machine gun placements and the like. Not just a few people - waves of them, one after the other.
And not only do we have the capacity to use guns, but we know full well what they're capable of. The Aliens, at that point, weren't.
Soldiers being made<-- key phrase there. They're not doing because they feel like, they're doing it because most likely a) they have no other choice or b) they're being ordered to.
Someone still made the decision to send unarmed people at armed sentries. And lost far more people in any one of their 13-odd waves than the Aliens ever did in their entire attempt to test the perimeter.
If there was any indication that dozens of Aliens were mercilessly mown down by the guns, people who say 'Dur they were stupid' might have a leg to stand on. But evidence suggests they didn't suffer anything resembling a significant number of casualties, and given their resources - none - they did a good job of testing the marine's defences and finding weaknesses.
QuoteSoldiers being made<-- key phrase there. They're not doing because they feel like, they're doing it because most likely a) they have no other choice or b) they're being ordered to.
So?
If one actually pays attention to the sentry guns scenes, one would notice that the guns in the tunnel run dry in seconds and the Aliens have no cover. So the Aliens know they will stop at some point. On level two, they do have cover and use it, in what appears to be an effort to run them down. However as we see some of them being blown to pieces, they eventually reconsider and pull back. However the marked lack of bodies and acid holes would indicate not many died from the guns, and therefore they weren't just blindly running into them.
AVP Predators vs AVPR Aliens, Aw yeah...... :P
I'd watch it!
You would.
Quote from: #6.0 on Apr 13, 2010, 05:20:57 AM
AVP Predators vs AVPR Aliens, Aw yeah...... :P
First being the obvious winners.
Would he?
heh-heh... "wood"...
Yeh-heah, anyway...
Requiem is awful.
I despise it with the entirety of my soul!
And I still watch it!
The only reason I haven't killed you is you're Canadian.
You'll never catch me, skippy.
I'm a pretty fast bastard.
You just did what you say annoys you about forums. Ha ha! Charade you are!
But it was such an easy opening!
Yeah, well I got a Pink Floyd reference in as a result, so we'll call it even.
AvP:
I just seemed like a much higher quality film to me. Although I really expected so much more from the director of event horizon.
My only real beef being:
The fast lifecyle (which I can partially forgive for plot reasons)
PG13 (Which I can't really forgive)
Fat Preds (Why? Just Why?)
Alien head as a shield (looked retarded)
Apart from that it was an OK movie.
One serious thing that makes me like it was that it didn't completely screw up the Alien or Predator lore.
AvP-R
I've only seen it once, and seriously that says volumes considering it's got Aliens and Predators in it.
I felt it was a terrible movie in every way. The only thing which I liked was the look of Wolf.
Main beefs from a fanboy perspective:
Aliens looked retarded, really really bad, cheap and fake.
F*cking with the lore: Struasse saying it's cannon to have Chet face raping and multiple chest busters, Putting a Jockey skull in a trophy room (this really enraged me, can't say why)
Wolf doing some retarded things, firstly covering up the aliens (ok) then skinning people (kind of defeats the object)
I will defend the skinning scene until the day I die. I will never understand why people were so against it. So he skinned one cop; probably didn't take a great deal of time, and it doesn't indicate there's an other-worldly presence around.
Yeah, he was just marking his territory.
Which is a stupid thing to do if one is supposed to be "cleaning." It's simply illogical.
How? It probably took him less than 10 minutes. He's cleaning the Alien infestation. If a human gets in his way, so be it.
It's still illogical. Why waste time on that when there are much more pressing issues to deal with?
Let's take into account, for a moment, that Wolf essentially failed in his task. He was slow enough with the Alien clean-up that the government of the USA caught on to shenanigans and bombed everything to high hell.
So basically he was f**king around when time was of the essence to begin with.
QuoteIf a human gets in his way, so be it.
Then simply kill the puny human. And move on. It makes him look dumb no matter how you cut it.
QuoteAlien head as a shield (looked retarded)
I disgree that it looked retarded, but the main problem was there was no pay off since she never used it.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 09:33:26 PM
Which is a stupid thing to do if one is supposed to be "cleaning." It's simply illogical.
Defend it all you want Doomy,but this ^ :P
I know he used his bomb to destroy the ship but if he would of used it to place in the center of town and detonate it wouldn't it(assuming they can adjust the size) blow up the town. alien infestation, and all evidence in around 1 hour tops?
And no teen-drama sub-plot! Hurray!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 09:33:26 PM
Which is a stupid thing to do if one is supposed to be "cleaning." It's simply illogical.
Why? What's the worst that could happen?
Quote from: The Demon on Apr 16, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 09:33:26 PM
Which is a stupid thing to do if one is supposed to be "cleaning." It's simply illogical.
Why? What's the worst that could happen?
Widespread Xeno infestation...
And don't forget the roasting from his boss back 'ome...
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 11:13:15 PM
Then simply kill the puny human. And move on. It makes him look dumb no matter how you cut it.
Its more a projection of the Strause bro's stupidity than Wolf's.
They should have had him just hang the guy from the tree as oppose to skinning him, because as you say, its just stupid and a waste of precious time.
Quote from: The Demon on Apr 16, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
Why? What's the worst that could happen?
Nuclear detonation due to military forces catching on?
Quotemilitary forces catching on?
to what?
(though I think the skinning was silly. In the case of an alien infestation even 5 minutes count, so...)
The national guard got involved.
Then DE GOVERNMENTZ nukes the place.
Yupp, but that's after all hell brakes out. You think Wolf ever considered aliens would get away after he found them?
Seeing how stupid and over confident he was during the movie, I highly doubt that.
Well, the point is that skinning and hanging the corpse was dumb.
Ergo, I see no disagreement here.
I don't disagree on the topic but the argument itself.
Wolf couldn't really know about the military involvment, because there were no infestation yet. This is okay so far, so skinning anyone wouldn't be that stupid.
Though he skinned the guy, thinking there won't be any infestation, and he will handle everything well. Now that was stupid. Hence the skinning was stupid too.
Though this is just for the sake of discussion. T
The point is that the scene wassn't okay. No disagreement.
Well, yeah. Wolf couldn't have known.
But the question was, "what's the worst that could happen?".
And I answered. :P
Well, no doubts about that :)
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2010, 11:13:15 PM
QuoteIf a human gets in his way, so be it.
Then simply kill the puny human. And move on. It makes him look dumb no matter how you cut it.
Not seeing the dumbness involved. He probably took 10 minutes out of his agenda to skin the cop and moved on. Whatever.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 16, 2010, 11:24:13 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Apr 16, 2010, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 15, 2010, 09:33:26 PM
Which is a stupid thing to do if one is supposed to be "cleaning." It's simply illogical.
Why? What's the worst that could happen?
Widespread Xeno infestation...
In that time frame? Sure.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 16, 2010, 09:59:20 PM
Not seeing the dumbness involved. He probably took 10 minutes out of his agenda to skin the cop and moved on. Whatever.
Which is ten minutes he could have spent trying to find the Aliens.
I'm not sure it would have made that much difference.
Would've made plenty. Imagine the amount of distance he could cover in ten minutes - How much distance the Aliens could cover in ten minutes. How quickly they set up and spread.
When you're dealing with something as fast developing as the Aliens, ten minutes is a long time.
I guess. Still don't think it was a complete waste of time. The Alien infestation didn't really seem like it was total and absolute plague until it hit the hospital. I mean, when the cop was skinned, the Aliens were still in the sewers as I recall.
It served no purpose. Of course it was a waste of time.
It was a plague before it hit the hospital - Although God-knows how, considering how few Aliens were supposed to be running around at that point.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 16, 2010, 10:12:25 PMWhen you're dealing with something as fast developing as the Aliens, ten minutes is a long time.
Especially considering their gestation and maturity rate in the AVP movies :P
Quote from: SiL on Apr 16, 2010, 10:19:18 PM
It served no purpose. Of course it was a waste of time.
He was marking his territory, like The Demon said previously. I don't see that as a waste of time.
Marking his territory to what?
There are no other Predators. To humans? Skinning a body doesn't do shit but scare some people - which when you're dealing with possible Alien infestations is a bad thing. Panicky people make hard work harder.
They weren't in his way all that often. Aside from one cop who noticed him, and the humans in the hospital he got on with himself rather well.
Still a bad idea to incite panic.
Skinning the cop did nothing but take time. Which he didn't have.
Well if what we see in the film is anything to go on, no one really seemed to care about the cop besides Eddy, his deputy, and Carrie. No panic ensued.
Point was, still a bad idea to run that risk.
It's still a waste of time.
Face it, Doom. You can't win this argument.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2010, 02:03:09 AMPoint was, still a bad idea to run that risk.
Risk of what? People cluing than an extra-terrestrial hunter is roaming around the city because there's a skinned body hanging from a tree?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 17, 2010, 02:03:09 AMIt's still a waste of time.
I still disagree, but at this point we're arguing in circles.
avp was better for the story and a thriller but avpr is better if you want a gore fest and action packed movie but it doesn't go any deeper
Action packed? That's a bit of a stretch. Die Hard is action packed.
Requiem is full of brief scuffles. :D
Brief scuffles in the cover of a blackout in the middle of an eclipse.
Between ninjas.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 18, 2010, 12:47:07 PM
Requiem is full of brief scuffles. :D
As opposed to AvP's one "fight" and the one race at the end.
What's with the inverted commas?
'Twas a damn good fight.
And there's definitely more than two fights. I would count them all, but I'm far too lazy.
Three, really. Maybe four if we're being generous.
Celtic vs. Grid
Scar vs. Aliens
Scar gets tailstabbed and Lex is there to save the day
Scar/Lex vs. Queen
Preds vs Commandos
And a few brief knockabouts here and there.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 02:56:24 PM
What's with the inverted commas?
'Twas a damn good fight.
A damn good fight? It was a wrestling match, which started off with Celtic and Grid randomly swinging their limbs, in a vain attempt to strike each other. That scene was so damn embarrassing...if someone is looking to hit you,
f**king move. Don't stand in one spot like a garden gnome.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:09:25 PM
Scar vs. Aliens
Wasn't really a fight, so much as it was a shooting gallery.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:09:25 PMScar gets tailstabbed and Lex is there to save the day
Wasn't a fight in any sense of the word.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:09:25 PMScar/Lex vs. Queen
That was a whole lot of running around.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PM
A damn good fight? It was a wrestling match, which started off with Celtic and Grid randomly swinging their limbs, in a vain attempt to strike each other. That scene was so damn embarrassing...if someone is looking to hit you, f**king move. Don't stand in one spot like a garden gnome.
:D
Predalien and AVPR aliens say hi.
Uh...
The Predalien threw Wolf into pipes, bit him in the shoulder, and pinned him up against said pipes. What's your point?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PM
A damn good fight? It was a wrestling match, which started off with Celtic and Grid randomly swinging their limbs, in a vain attempt to strike each other. That scene was so damn embarrassing...if someone is looking to hit you, f**king move. Don't stand in one spot like a garden gnome.
It
was a good fight, and a pretty good representation of what two creatures that rely on quick kills would do if they got into an extended battles. I can run you through the events quickly:
- Grid pounces on Celtic, forcing him to the ground.
- Celtic uses a free hand to prevent Grid from using the inner jaw.
- Grid switches tactics and uses his tail to strike at Celtic, getting his tailblade stuck in the stone.
- Celtic cuts the end of Grid's tail off and uses Grid's pain reaction to push it off.
- Celtic swings Grid into a few stone pillars and throws him.
- Grid gets up and uses his bleeding tail to splatter Celtic with acid.
- Celtic rips his armour off and Grid uses this distraction to relocate.
- Grid pounces again, but Celtic reacts at the last second and nets him. Grid still hits him and they smash through a thin layer of stone to the chamber below.
- Celtic prepares to finish Grid off.
- Grid's acid blood eats the net.
- Grid overpowers Celtic and lands the finishing blow.
It's a good fight. There's progression, tension and a certain amount of unpredictability about it. It makes relevant use of each creature's major traits, such as their cunning, gear, attitudes and physical attributes. While remaining tense and unpredictable, it's a fight that's very specific to AvP - it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for a creature from planet Xyphlon IV to have acid blood and to use it to destroy its enemy's amour. And one thing it did way, way better than AvPR was to credit each creature. AvPR portrays Aliens as pushovers. Wolf is a slow-thinking, slow-to-act combatant that relies on the Aliens being shit.
In AvP, Grid's one dangerous motherf**ker. He's actually a worthy combatant, and Celtic has to be fast-thinking and quick to act in order to fight him effectively. And to the credit of Predators everywhere, Celtic fights effectively - and almost wins - without his wristblades.
There's absolutely nothing standard or straight to that fight. It's context-sensitive and specific.
Everything I mentioned above is in stark contrast to AvPR. In that film, there's no tension to the battles once you learn the Predator will always win - which is early on. The Aliens don't behave intelligently, don't show a lot of strength and don't show a lot of consideration for their actions. They present themselves to armed opponents and, when they get the opportunity to strike, use ineffective attacks rather than damaging strikes.
Wolf himself is utter shit in a fight. He was not once convincing as a combatant, relying on the Aliens being slow and weak to hoist himself up. He left his back and flanks open all the time and was generally never ever decisive.
There's nothing specific to the fights that say "Alien and Predator". Wolf is a essentially just some asshole with some cool weapons. The Aliens are pack animals. No acid blood, no insane strength or resilience, no cunning. No f**king co-operation within the species, considering how Chet physically reprimands the Aliens for having the tenacity to try to be Aliens a smidge.
If AvPR had been true to each franchise, well, shit, let me just begin to list some of the things that would be different:
- Wolf wouldn't be a thick-headed brute, but a considered tactician.
- Wolf would very rarely take the Aliens in hand-to-hand combat, fearing both their physical advantages and acid blood.
- Wolf would've brought a spear with him. Seriously, it's a great anti-Alien weapon. It keeps them at a distance and can be thrown.
- Wolf would've done something unpredictable and clever at some point.
- And so would the Aliens.
- The battles would need major revisions to take into account all of the above. And for the better.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PMWasn't really a fight, so much as it was a shooting gallery.
In you like, that can apply to AvPR, too. Sure, most of the plasma blasting had a bit of hand-to-hand to back it up, but if reliance on the plasma caster disqualifies a fight scene then you can cut AvPR's action in half.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PMWasn't a fight in any sense of the word.
There was an attack and there was retaliation. Seems like a fight to me.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PMThat was a whole lot of running around.
Along with Scar attacking the Queen, who then retaliated. And then Scar came back for more.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:22:30 PM
Uh...
The Predalien threw Wolf into pipes, bit him in the shoulder, and pinned him up against said pipes. What's your point?
That the Aliens of AvPR just stood around and allowed Wolf to slaughter them.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:38:32 PM
- Wolf would've brought a spear with him. Seriously, it's a great anti-Alien weapon. It keeps them at a distance and can be thrown.
Didn't he use one to stab an Alien's head?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:22:30 PM
Uh...
The Predalien threw Wolf into pipes, bit him in the shoulder, and pinned him up against said pipes. What's your point?
That the Aliens of AvPR just stood around and allowed Wolf to slaughter them.
Well, this, and the fact that the Predalien was straight up drooling and doing nothind else waiting for Wolf to do his cool strip tease alas fail Predator reference.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PM
A damn good fight? It was a wrestling match, which started off with Celtic and Grid randomly swinging their limbs, in a vain attempt to strike each other. That scene was so damn embarrassing...if someone is looking to hit you, f**king move. Don't stand in one spot like a garden gnome.
It was a good fight, and a pretty good representation of what two creatures that rely on quick kills would do if they got into an extended battles. I can run you through the events quickly:
- Grid pounces on Celtic, forcing him to the ground.
- Celtic uses a free hand to prevent Grid from using the inner jaw.
- Grid switches tactics and uses his tail to strike at Celtic, getting his tailblade stuck in the stone.
- Celtic cuts the end of Grid's tail off and uses Grid's pain reaction to push it off.
- Celtic swings Grid into a few stone pillars and throws him.
- Grid gets up and uses his bleeding tail to splatter Celtic with acid.
- Celtic rips his armour off and Grid uses this distraction to relocate.
- Grid pounces again, but Celtic reacts at the last second and nets him. Grid still hits him and they smash through a thin layer of stone to the chamber below.
- Celtic prepares to finish Grid off.
- Grid's acid blood eats the net.
- Grid overpowers Celtic and lands the finishing blow.
You're right, for the most part. Everything up to Celtic kicking Grid off him would have been more exciting to see if Anderson could let go of his obsession with keeping the camera 2 inches away from everything, especially when the scenes are cutting in and out every few seconds to something different, at different angles.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:38:32 PMIt's a good fight. There's progression, tension and a certain amount of unpredictability about it. It makes relevant use of each creature's major traits, such as their cunning, gear, attitudes and physical attributes. While remaining tense and unpredictable, it's a fight that's very specific to AvP - it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for a creature from planet Xyphlon IV to have acid blood and to use it to destroy its enemy's amour. And one thing it did way, way better than AvPR was to credit each creature. AvPR portrays Aliens as pushovers. Wolf is a slow-thinking, slow-to-act combatant that relies on the Aliens being shit.
In AvP, Grid's one dangerous motherf**ker. He's actually a worthy combatant, and Celtic has to be fast-thinking and quick to act in order to fight him effectively. And to the credit of Predators everywhere, Celtic fights effectively - and almost wins - without his wristblades.
It wasn't totally unpredictable; the one moment that really surprised me was when Celtic saw Grid coming out of the air and hit him with the net gun. At that point, it was a just a matter of time. And I
knewGrid was going to get out of it because, knowing how the netgun works, along with Grid's blood spilling onto it, you know he's going to get free, and combined with Anderson's admitted favourite in the Alien, you know he's going to win.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:38:32 PMIn you like, that can apply to AvPR, too. Sure, most of the plasma blasting had a bit of hand-to-hand to back it up, but if reliance on the plasma caster disqualifies a fight scene then you can cut AvPR's action in half.
When I picture a fight in my head, I see two beings getting into a physical battle up close and personal, not so much long range combat; could just be me though. But I see your point.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:38:32 PMThere was an attack and there was retaliation. Seems like a fight to me.
Then in discredit to Predators, a human saved his life. And it was uninteresting.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:13:18 PMAlong with Scar attacking the Queen, who then retaliated. And then Scar came back for more.
Yet it was Lex who did more damage, saved Scar's life
again, and ultimately came up with the plan that finished the Queen off. And in even more discredit to Predators everywhere, it was a human who finished his fight.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 18, 2010, 03:52:47 PM
Didn't he use one to stab an Alien's head?
Yup, in the pool.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 18, 2010, 03:52:47 PM
Well, this, and the fact that the Predalien was straight up drooling and doing nothind else waiting for Wolf to do his cool strip tease alas fail Predator reference.
Wolf wasn't actively engaging in that moment, so Chet was probably wondering what would happen next.
Which is, again, completely out-of-character for Aliens.
If the enemy is taking the time out to make themselves specifically less deadly, then get up and kill the shit out of them. Curiosity is secondary to survival, especially when it comes to a dude who's slaughtered a bunch of your homies.
Also, for comparison's sake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeuTbrjO3to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9bhuIqdtc
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 18, 2010, 03:55:50 PM
Chet was probably wondering what would happen next.
Aliens
don't wonder. Aliens are fast thinkers. Aliens do as much as they can do every second of their life, and are intelligent fighters with strong senses. So standing here waiting for the predator to take out his cool mask isn't exactly intelligent nor in the style of an alien.
See, the video MadAss posted shows it perfectly. The Predalien waits, end of.
Also note that Wolf and Chet spend a whole lot of time making lovemaking noises at one another - Celtic and Grid have some initial foreplay, but it's all business afterwards.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 04:11:17 PM
Also note that Wolf and Chet spend a whole lot of time making lovemaking noises at one another
There was an exchange of bellows initially, then they threw down. Just like Celtic and Grid.
And then when they're grappling towards the end, they spend a lot of time growling at one another, essentially doing nothing. Wolf stabs Chet, time passes, Chet stabs Wolf.
The time those two take to think in that situation kills it because it leaves the audience too much time to process what's going on. We get bored with it. That's a strength of AvP's fight scene - we similarly get time to process what's going on, but since there's constant progression in the fight, that time reinforces the sequence of events rather than diminishing their impact.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
And then when they're grappling towards the end, they spend a lot of time growling at one another, essentially doing nothing. Wolf stabs Chet, time passes, Chet stabs Wolf.
What? There's one little growl after Chet pins him and immediately goes for the headbite, which Wolf dodges.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 04:17:30 PMThe time those two take to think in that situation kills it because it leaves the audience too much time to process what's going on. We get bored with it. That's a strength of AvP's fight scene - we similarly get time to process what's going on, but since there's constant progression in the fight, that time reinforces the sequence of events rather than diminishing their impact.
There was progression. Headbite attempt, dodge, tongue is ripped out, claws go through the jaw, followed by a tail through the chest, then the bomb.
Watch the video - between each monster stabbing the other, we get a series of pointless growls. That don't really contribute at all and leave you wondering why they don't just move a move.
The progression was negatively affected by the battle pacing, though. There was so much time in between each event that none of them had significant impact, whereas AvP's battle was paced in a way that supported each event.
Not seeing the 'pointless growls'. When Wolf ripped Chet's tongue out, she was in pain and screaming and Wolf immediately followed up with wristblades to the jaw.
Wolf did some pointless grunting, if (very) recent memory serves. And then there was more empty time before Chet retaliated.
She just had two sharp blades pushed through her skull. Aliens are tough yes, but even they would need a few seconds to recover before they fought back.
Which still leaves us wondering why Wolf didn't follow up with anything.
What else could he have done? He was still pinned up against the pipes, already had his wristblades through Chet's jaws and then before he knew it, he had a spike through his chest.
A shift in momentum, perhaps. As per the Celtic vs. Grid fight, Wolf could've used the damage inflicted (and the resultant drop in resistance) to shift the weight of his enemy away, giving him the opportunity to take initiative.
He only had a few seconds and Chet was still leaning on him.
Celtic had only a few seconds and Grid was on top of him.
Due to excessive and choppy camera movement I can't really say who was in a better spot, but since I'm an MMA junkie, I'm going to explain it in those terms.
Grid had full mount but was just kind of going gung-ho all over Celtic, who was able to regain his composure well enough that he could sneak his legs underneath and kick Grid right off him. Wolf was only able to get one arm free to push his blades into the right spot, but from what I remember, Chet still had one arm pinned.
That does complicate matters.
Though Wolf could've retracted the blades and gone for another strike - perhaps across the arm that kept him pinned.
That I can agree with. Or even repeated strikes to the jaw.
Wait, now I remember; soon as the blades connected, Chet brought her tail around and tore Wolf a new hole to breath out of. The extra strikes wouldn't have mattered.
god i hate that end fight, just seems like 2 grown men in suits play fighting. :-\
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:58:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9bhuIqdtc
@ 1:05
And then Chet just...
chundered everywhar!
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 18, 2010, 03:58:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9bhuIqdtc
Um, sorry, but I don't think the video's working.
I can't see anything, it's just black.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 19, 2010, 12:33:48 PM
@ 1:05
And then Chet just... chundered everywhar!
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 19, 2010, 12:52:30 PM
Um, sorry, but I don't think the video's working.
I can't see anything, it's just black.
:D :D :D
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 19, 2010, 12:52:30 PM
I can't see anything, it's just black.
Youtube these days!!!
And it's actually the first time I notice that Wolf got a hit from the Inner jaw in the shoulder. May the AvPR photography be damned forever.
I saw the fight perfectly. Chet tackled Wolf, threw into the pipes, picked him, bit him in the shoulder, then Wolf grabbed Chet's head and slammed it into the pipes before being pinned at the shoulders.
I never thinked of it, but AvPR is the first film in both Alien and Predator franchises in which:
-A Kid gets chestburstered onscreen (in A3 we just see Newt's corpse, we don't see the moment in which she dies).
-A Pregnant Woman gets chestburstered (more like wombustered) onscreen
-A Predator is killed by Human Weaponry (P1 by a Log; P2 by his own disk; AvP all three by aliens)
:-\
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 19, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
I never thinked of it, but AvPR is the first film in both Alien and Predator franchises in which:
-A Kid gets chestburstered onscreen (in A3 we just see Newt's corpse, we don't see the moment in which she dies).
-A Pregnant Woman gets chestburstered (more like wombustered) onscreen
-A Predator is killed by Human Weaponry (P1 by a Log; P2 by his own disk; AvP all three by aliens)
:-\
The first one didn't bother me so bad because the kid acted like he had a tummy-ache, and then, to my bad memory of the film, we saw a shadow of the 'burster... or did we actually see it? Can't remember... either way, they were CG 'bursters, and very bad.
The second one was unnecessary and I won't watch that scene again. I like to be scared or terrified, not disgusted.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 19, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
I never thinked of it, but AvPR is the first film in both Alien and Predator franchises in which:
-A Kid gets chestburstered onscreen (in A3 we just see Newt's corpse, we don't see the moment in which she dies).
-A Pregnant Woman gets chestburstered (more like wombustered) onscreen
Both scenes were poorly executed, but I like them only because the Brothers weren't afraid to push boundaries of who dies in the film. Gotta respect that.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 19, 2010, 06:05:57 PM
The first one didn't bother me so bad because the kid acted like he had a tummy-ache, and then, to my bad memory of the film, we saw a shadow of the 'burster... or did we actually see it? Can't remember... either way, they were CG 'bursters, and very bad.
They werre 3/4 CG and 1/4 Animatronics. And yes, we see the Chestburster. It least I did in the unrated version (which I didn't even know of it being the unrated). :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 06:10:48 PM
Both scenes were poorly executed, but I like them only because the Brothers weren't afraid to push boundaries of who dies in the film. Gotta Bash that.
Fixed. ;D
Sure.
I like how Chet just stands and watches as Wolf removes his mask and armour!
Not.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 19, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
I never thinked of it, but AvPR is the first film in both Alien and Predator franchises in which:
-A Kid gets chestburstered onscreen (in A3 we just see Newt's corpse, we don't see the moment in which she dies).
-A Pregnant Woman gets chestburstered (more like wombustered) onscreen
-A Predator is killed by Human Weaponry (P1 by a Log; P2 by his own disk; AvP all three by aliens)
:-\
That was something I thought was taken too far. "oh they didnt like the lack of gore in AVP eh. well lets just go way over the top to compensate". Pathetic. Whoever sanctioned and allowed the pregnant women getting...impregnated...scene is an idiot. Somebody should have pulled the brothers aside and said, look the film is gory enough, this isnt a Saw sequel or Hostel, and not to mention it seriously f**kS WITH CANON. Thats all boys carry on.
Unfortunately nobody did.
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
Just that it's unnecessary show-off. 'Hah, we can make it this gory, we're cool, dah moviez cool'. I have this feeling coming from all the over used blood in the movie. And it looks rather ridiculous and disgusting.
Even too bloody movies can be done great, and can be done like sh*t. The good one creeps me or makes me laugh (when it's the purpose), the other makes me laugh (like how bad it is) or simply disgusts me.
As I see it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
Oh, nothing, nothing.
Doom, are you a human whatsoever? Just wondering, because that scene would be disgusting for
pretty much every human being on planet earth which would look at it. Seriously. I am a human and yes, I get disgusted to see another human, a woman, pregnant, in the most wonderful moment of her life, getting faceraped and then going boom. It's disgusting, gory, and seriously fetishism smelling. End of.
/rant
Unless you were joking... ;D in that case I'm sorry!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 19, 2010, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
Oh, nothing, nothing.
Doom, are you a human whatsoever? Just wondering, because that scene would be disgusting for pretty much every human being on planet earth which would look at it. Seriously. I am a human and yes, I get disgusted to see another human, a woman, pregnant, in the most wonderful moment of her life, getting faceraped and then going boom. It's disgusting, gory, and seriously fetishism smelling. End of.
/rant
Unless you were joking... ;D in that case I'm sorry!
You expected the aliens to leave her alone or what? I actualy enjoyed seeing it because it showed that the aliens will kill you no matter who you are.
Personally i think AVPR is the most brutal, sadistic, outwardly gory and violent film of the lot, yet it feels the most childish and pathetic. I feel the same way as 08yeyinde does. It's unnecessary and it reeks of a couple of idiot fan boys sitting in a room, pissed as farts, coming up with the most shocking things they can think of involving the aliens and predators just because they think its cool. It aint cool, it isnt scary, it isnt shocking, its flat out disgusting and insulting to horror fans to think we are all morons and thats what we must want in a gory film. Knackers the pair of them.
And SamHain no we wouldnt expect the aliens to leave her alone. Killing a pregnant woman would have been shocking enough, but they then kill a whole maternity ward full of them, as well as their babies in the most repulsive fashion ever. Hostel or Saw this aint. Its a childish and pathetic attempt to shock but for most people it just disgusted and annoyed them by stooping so low to get a reaction for the sake of it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
Let's take a theme from
Alien,but unlike Alien,bash it over everyone's head.
"Hey,it looks cool,let's film it."
It could have been done much more tastefully and effectively. Instead of out-and-out showing us exactly what happened, it being implied would have been better.
The more I think about it, the dafter it gets as well. Why does it only work on pregnant women? Why cant it impregnate normal humans that way? Pretty stupid way of reproducing if you aint got pregnant women handy. Which brings me to my next point. It comes across the pregnant lady in the diner and face rapes her. Fair enough thats coincidence. But then it just so happens to stumble across a maternity ward full of pregnant women....just what it needs? Come on, thats a coincidence too far. Could it smell the thick stench of pregnancy, did it ask the woman in the diner for directions before it face raped her, did it follow road signs to the hospital? HOW THE f**k DID IT KNOW. Its far too huge a coincidence and its too big of a suspension of belief for me to accept it.
It literally is in the film for the sole purpose that somebody thought it would be a cool idea. There was no thought as to how it could work or make sense at all.
With my comment, I meant a facehugger getting a kid or pregnant woman. The multiburster thing cannot be forgiven.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 19, 2010, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
Oh, nothing, nothing.
Doom, are you a human whatsoever? Just wondering, because that scene would be disgusting for pretty much every human being on planet earth which would look at it. Seriously. I am a human and yes, I get disgusted to see another human, a woman, pregnant, in the most wonderful moment of her life, getting faceraped and then going boom. It's disgusting, gory, and seriously fetishism smelling. End of.
/rant
Unless you were joking... ;D in that case I'm sorry!
I wasn't. It's a movie; ergo anyone is up for grabs. And I'm rather confident an Alien wouldn't discriminate against anyone. It won't look at a Jew and say "Poor people have suffered for so long throughout history, I should probably leave that curly haired man alone".
It's not children and pregnant women being attacked by Aliens (same thing must've happend in Aliens obviously). It's how it's portrayed on screen.
It's offensive not for its content, but its execution.
If you're going to have kids and pregnant women dying, f**king go all-out. Don't pussy-foot it, don't go half-assed, and don't make it seem tacky.
The kid going 'groan cough cough chestburster' is f**king insulting. It's killing a kid for the sake of killing a kid. It doesn't add anything to the film, it's not given the weight it deserves, it's just a thing that happens so the directors can talk their film up.
Same with the pregnant women. If that's the way you're going to go, make it the scene that makes people walk out. Go for broke on it. Make it the most horrible, gut-wrenching scene possible.
Not some f**king lame gore-centric throw-away at the ass-end of the film trying to maintain the audience's waning interest.
Why not make it a proper chestburster that pops out during childbirth? Baby survives - mother doesn't. The midwife tries to keep the baby alive for the rest of the film, but ultimately after spending a long time crying - it just stops and we slowly realise that it's dead and her efforts have been for naught.
I've trying to figure out why the kids death never worked (it was too dark to see the pregnant women), and I think SiL nailed it. There's no weight to it. It's just arbitrary. You could argue that Newt's death was as well, but her autopsy was pretty full on - sans gore.
Kid should've been rolling on the ground screaming and flailing like Kane, calling out for his mother, and the scene should've been all but unbearable to watch. Cos if you're gonna kill the kid, f**king kill the kid good.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2010, 01:05:19 AM
Kid should've been rolling on the ground screaming and flailing like Kane, calling out for his mother, and the scene should've been all but unbearable to watch. Cos if you're gonna kill the kid, f**king kill the kid good.
This movie could never do this.
'cause the flipper bug monsters are going to be destroyed by the rastafarian space hunter anyway.
Exactly. So it never should have tried.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2010, 12:48:36 AM
It's offensive not for its content, but its execution.
If you're going to have kids and pregnant women dying, f**king go all-out. Don't pussy-foot it, don't go half-assed, and don't make it seem tacky.
The kid going 'groan cough cough chestburster' is f**king insulting. It's killing a kid for the sake of killing a kid. It doesn't add anything to the film, it's not given the weight it deserves, it's just a thing that happens so the directors can talk their film up.
Same with the pregnant women. If that's the way you're going to go, make it the scene that makes people walk out. Go for broke on it. Make it the most horrible, gut-wrenching scene possible.
Not some f**king lame gore-centric throw-away at the ass-end of the film trying to maintain the audience's waning interest.
Fair enough.
And if the post came across as angry, it was directed at the movie, not you :P
This film can inspire quite passionate emotions.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
its just over the top, so it loses it shock factor
just like the first final destination, the deaths were scary and beliveable but didnt show a whole heap in the death scenes.
BUT Final Destination 4 is just so over the top its ridiculous, not scary and is just laughable. dunno why nowadays they choose "over-the top cgi gore" over "suspense built kills"
More importantly why does nobody ever seem to pick up on what i said earlier, and ive said it before in other threads. The whole idea of the maternity ward is ridiculous, non-sensical, moronic and doesnt make any shred of sense whatsoever. It proves there was no thought to it and that they just came up with the idea but never justified or explained its presence in the film. Heres why.
Quote from: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 10:34:08 PM
The more I think about it, the dafter it gets as well. Why does it only work on pregnant women? Why cant it impregnate normal humans that way? Pretty stupid way of reproducing if you aint got pregnant women handy. Which brings me to my next point. It comes across the pregnant lady in the diner and face rapes her. Fair enough thats coincidence. But then it just so happens to stumble across a maternity ward full of pregnant women....just what it needs? Come on, thats a coincidence too far. Could it smell the thick stench of pregnancy, did it ask the woman in the diner for directions before it face raped her, did it follow road signs to the hospital? HOW THE f**k DID IT KNOW. Its far too huge a coincidence and its too big of a suspension of belief for me to accept it.
It literally is in the film for the sole purpose that somebody thought it would be a cool idea. There was no thought as to how it could work or make sense at all.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 11:17:13 PM
I wasn't. It's a movie; ergo anyone is up for grabs. And I'm rather confident an Alien wouldn't discriminate against anyone. It won't look at a Jew and say "Poor people have suffered for so long throughout history, I should probably leave that curly haired man alone".
I'm not contrary to it.
I'm contrary to showing it onscreen. It's increedibly unnecessary, it's done only for the gore's sake, and it's fundamentally disgusting. I don't see a film if it's going to make me feel sick.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2010, 03:11:34 AM
This film can inspire quite passionate emotions.
Yep. Something that exits your mouth and falls in a flusher.
Quote from: Keg on Apr 20, 2010, 10:58:32 AM
More importantly why does nobody ever seem to pick up on what i said earlier, and ive said it before in other threads. The whole idea of the maternity ward is ridiculous, non-sensical, moronic and doesnt make any shred of sense whatsoever. It proves there was no thought to it and that they just came up with the idea but never justified or explained its presence in the film. Heres why.
Quote from: Keg on Apr 19, 2010, 10:34:08 PM
The more I think about it, the dafter it gets as well. Why does it only work on pregnant women? Why cant it impregnate normal humans that way? Pretty stupid way of reproducing if you aint got pregnant women handy. Which brings me to my next point. It comes across the pregnant lady in the diner and face rapes her. Fair enough thats coincidence. But then it just so happens to stumble across a maternity ward full of pregnant women....just what it needs? Come on, thats a coincidence too far. Could it smell the thick stench of pregnancy, did it ask the woman in the diner for directions before it face raped her, did it follow road signs to the hospital? HOW THE f**k DID IT KNOW. Its far too huge a coincidence and its too big of a suspension of belief for me to accept it.
It literally is in the film for the sole purpose that somebody thought it would be a cool idea. There was no thought as to how it could work or make sense at all.
I agree Keg. T'was a plot device.
It's a major what the f**k moment thats what it is. It doesnt make a lick of sense. The only way it can, is if its all down to coincidence. If so its the biggest bloody coincidence ive ever heard of.
I always gathered Chet could kinda sense them, the pregnant women I mean, and was 'drawn' if you will to the hospital?
and didnt strike you as the most retarded excuse of all time. it can only use pregnant women as hosts? I will never be able to accept how utterly mental that whole idea is and how utterly stupid that scene is. It turns it from a bad movie into a non-sensical mess.
No, don't get me wrong, I know it's dumb!
I'm just assuming that was the Director's reasoning.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Apr 20, 2010, 12:30:54 PM
I'm just assuming that was the Director's reasoning.
We'll never understand what the f**k they were thinking.......
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
This... is going under my sig.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 20, 2010, 01:55:50 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
This... is going under my sig.
Hahahahaha. Thats buckled me. Awww man. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah hahahahahaha ROFL.
For the record, I personally don't really care about the extent of violence in a film - what matters is its context. AvPR had awful context.
Neither do if its justified but it's just brainless in AVPR. Like you said the context was all wrong and it didnt work.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2010, 02:45:08 AM
And if the post came across as angry, it was directed at the movie, not you :P
No harm done :)
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 20, 2010, 01:55:50 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
This... is going under my sig.
Giggity!
Taken out of its context and just slapped there on its own, that comment becomes utterly hilarious and sadistic. I love it. hahaha
QuoteWhat's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
:D
see what i mean haha
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 20, 2010, 01:55:50 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 19, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
What's wrong with seeing a pregnant women explode with aliens?
This... is going under my sig.
You, me, and that? You have the best sig by far. :D
Dammit who keeps voting AVPR. Everytime AVP catches up a vote, some pre-pubescant berk chalks another one up for AVPR to counteract :P
How many times do I have to tell you it's DoomRulz. He made a shitload of minion accounts just for the single purpose of voting for AvPR. It's obviously him, nobody defends AvPRectum as passionately as he does.
And I'm sure he's having a blast doing so even right now, at this very moment, his wicked claws reaching for the mouse, laughing like a madman as he does it, then a sinister "Click!" goes off and it's there +1 to AvPRectum = trolling succesful, mission accomplished, Doom's happy and puts on an evil smile.
But I have to admit, even if I don't agree with neither his goals nor his methods, I can nothing but admire the guy.
Sophisticated troll is sophisticated.
Bravo, Maestro!
Quote from: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 08:17:16 AM
How many times do I have to tell you it's DoomRulz. He made a shitload of minion accounts just for the single purpose of voting for AvPR. It's obviously him, nobody defends AvPRectum as passionately as he does.
And I'm sure he's having a blast doing so even right now, at this very moment, his wicked claws reaching for the mouse, laughing like a madman as he does it, then a sinister "Click!" goes off and it's there +1 to AvPRectum = trolling succesful, mission accomplished, Doom's happy and puts on an evil smile.
But I have to admit, even if I don't agree with neither his goals nor his methods, I can nothing but admire the guy.
Sophisticated troll is sophisticated.
Bravo, Maestro!
This cracked me up, I was trying to figure out how the hell AvP:R got so many votes.
I'm super serial.
Spoiler
Am looking forward to Doom's response :D
Quote from: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 08:17:16 AM
How many times do I have to tell you it's DoomRulz. He made a shitload of minion accounts just for the single purpose of voting for AvPR. It's obviously him, nobody defends AvPRectum as passionately as he does.
And I'm sure he's having a blast doing so even right now, at this very moment, his wicked claws reaching for the mouse, laughing like a madman as he does it, then a sinister "Click!" goes off and it's there +1 to AvPRectum = trolling succesful, mission accomplished, Doom's happy and puts on an evil smile.
But I have to admit, even if I don't agree with neither his goals nor his methods, I can nothing but admire the guy.
Sophisticated troll is sophisticated.
Bravo, Maestro!
:D :D :D
Vorrei sapere come ha ingannato il sistema di sicurezza... ::)
Translate, please. I know some French and German, but your mother tongue never ever touched me. Reason was simple - we never had any Italian channels on TV.
And hereby I would like to say thank god for Cartoon Network. It's the main reason my English is pretty solid.
You said Bravo, Maestro! Which is solely italian... ::)
BTW I meant to say "I'd want to know how he deceived the security system" (because if I'm not wrong the forum acknowledges only one account per IP)
QuoteYou said Bravo, Maestro! Which is solely italian...
And? Even the most brain dead retard knows those words and their meaning.
Quote(because if I'm not wrong the forum acknowledges only one account per IP)
He's got obviously hundreds of computers at home, just like any other geek. Or maybe just one behemoth-sized integrated computer system, similar to ENIAC in size and looks, but much more advanced. Who knows what dark secrets he might be hiding. :o
Okay, now I'm really starting to feel bad for picking on the poor guy in his absence. :D
Quote from: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 11:02:04 AM
He's got obviously hundreds of computers at home, just like any other geek. Or maybe just one behemoth-sized integrated computer system, similar to ENIAC in size and looks, but much more advanced. Who knows what dark secrets he might be hiding. :o
Holy sh!t! :o :o :o
Judging by his posts, I wouldn't be surprised if he had Megatron himself locked up in the basement.
Quote from: Puks on Apr 21, 2010, 08:17:16 AM
How many times do I have to tell you it's DoomRulz. He made a shitload of minion accounts just for the single purpose of voting for AvPR. It's obviously him, nobody defends AvPRectum as passionately as he does.
And I'm sure he's having a blast doing so even right now, at this very moment, his wicked claws reaching for the mouse, laughing like a madman as he does it, then a sinister "Click!" goes off and it's there +1 to AvPRectum = trolling succesful, mission accomplished, Doom's happy and puts on an evil smile.
But I have to admit, even if I don't agree with neither his goals nor his methods, I can nothing but admire the guy.
Sophisticated troll is sophisticated.
Bravo, Maestro!
Are you seriously calling me a troll?
You??
Well hi there, Doom! Where the hell were you all the time? Polishing Megatron's inner circuits again?
Nothing personal, dude. :D
Had a very lazy day with nothing to do, so I thought it would be good to kill some time with a lil foolin around.
The opportunity arose, and you were easy prey.
Long as you're joking.
AVPR. But it's a hard decision. It did a good job of fulfilling our hopes of seeing Aliens on home turf after those bullcrap Alien3 ads. The Predator was the coolest one yet, and seeing Yutani was pretty cool. But Lance Henriksen did a good job, and the Alien special effects were better in the first one.
Not to mention the story, the acting, the setting, the consistency, etc., etc. ;)
Not really.
Quote from: LastJedi1515 on Apr 22, 2010, 10:19:10 PM
It did a good job of fulfilling our hopes of seeing Aliens on home turf after those bullcrap Alien3 ads.
No it didn't.
Firstly, if anyone wanted Aliens on home turf, they wanted it in the
future.
Secondly, most of the Aliens taking over the town was done entirely off-screen. We didn't get to see any of the sort of stuff we wanted - How Aliens would overrun a town ala
Aliens - and a whole heap of shit no-one ever asked for - Aliens in a swimming pool.
Wow.
Not just any swimming pool though. In a f**king high school? Weve gone from deep space commerce vessels to setlements on alien worlds, to offworld prisons , to military research ships, to ancient pyramids hidden away on the arse end of earth........to a high school f**king swimming pool. When you look at it like that, it makes me want to vomit.
Predator 2 handled an alien running amok in an urban environment a hell of alot better than this shit.
QuoteWhen you look at it like that, it makes me want to vomit.
You're not the only one...
I liked AVP far more than it's sequel. Why? Because it at least had Actors in it... not good actors (apart from Henriksen), but at least Actors...
I mean when I think of the cast in AVP:R I get so angry... even I could have done a better job and that's a statement believe me ^^ ghastly... just ghastly
I also prefer AVP because you had a cool setting: Liked the pyramid idea, the Pred being the Gods of ancient civilisations and breeding the Aliens... it may not be great, but it was cool and had some atmosphere in it.
And ultimately: AVP is about Alien vs Predator, which means I want to SEE a fight... in AVP:R I could hardly see shit, because the effects were on such low budget that they had to make it so dark.
In the sequel there's also not one... not ONE scene which is... well... if not memorable at least an eye-catcher...
In the first one you at least had the scene where scar jumps behind the queen and throws a spear right in her face... now that's a cool shot... sadly it's as good as it gets.
Another cool thing was the ground wrestling between Grid and Celtic... but only the ground wrestling for me...
Do we have one shot like this in AVP:R? No! The Pred vs Predalien fight? not one move in that fight choreography stays in your head for long... very very poor.
Then the script... well they both sucked... the Pred teaming up with Lex is maybe the biggest catastrophe in the first movie... the beginning is quite lame too... and the queen breaking through the ice for the final fight was so predictable... but still the script was not the worst, it had action and like I pointed out some good moments.
The script of AVP : R... oh just don't get me started... I mean just look at the Ending... the ENDING?!!! I've never felt so betrayed like after that movie as a viewer that I just saw 90 minutes that resulted in nothing.
Ultimately for me, there's only one thing about the sequel that is better than the first AVP: Wolf.
Finally a Pred that is evil again and you have respectful fear, because he sure won't be teaming up with any human. He is also not weak like the 3 Preds in the first movie and nicely kills one Alien after the other... but there again... the Aliens were made to total pussies in Requiem... and the Alien suits... damn they were ugly...
Not to mention Wolf was grossly incompetent.
Face it Doom, you cannot win.
Hasn't stopped me before.
How's your head, by the way? That wall you keep beating it against looks mighty sturdy. :D
QuoteWe didn't get to see any of the sort of stuff we wanted - How Aliens would overrun a town ala Aliens
Quite. How many times have fans asked for a film that shows what happened at the colony while the Aliens were taking over? Opportunity wasted. Quel surprise.
While a scene like that wouldnt of worked in Aliens or in one of the earlier films, we have now gotten past the stage where you need to hide the creature or keep things from the audience. Its still wise to do so when applicable and when it works but can you imagine how awesome a scene involving many many people getting chased and hunted by a shitload of aliens. Good god that would be fantastic.
Instead we got the stupid teen story. *sigh*
11 votes for the final reasoning! :D
Final reasoning would be a both button
I mean, AvP is better than AvPR in practically every aspect you can think: Photography, acting, characters, effects, creature design, action.
Some of these fields are crap for some people, but they are definitely better than AvPR's. :)
*Guess Doom will make some additional accounts now! :D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
I mean, AvP is better than AvPR in practically every aspect you can think: Photography, acting, characters, effects, creature design, action.
Some of these fields are crap for some people, but they are definitely better than AvPR's. :)
... in
your opinion.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 12:11:39 PM
I mean, AvP is better than AvPR in practically every aspect you can think: Photography, acting, characters, effects, creature design, action.
Some of these fields are crap for some people, but they are definitely better than AvPR's. :)
... in youropinion.
Photography: You can see
at least something, and you can't make out that the Aliens are guy in suits in 99.9% of the whole film, because Anderson knows
how to shoot Aliens.
Acting: Lance Henriksen
alone beats up AvPR's cast.
Characters: Both movies have several character development lack, but in AvP you can actually care for some. Plus, Weyland.
Effects: Suits and CGI were done in a much better way.
Creature design: No Overbite buckteethed aliens and no Octopus Predator.
Action: At least the fights are entertaining here...
So?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
Photography: You can see at least something, and you can't make out that the Aliens are guy in suits in 99.9% of the whole film, because Anderson knows how to shoot Aliens.
Acting: Lance Henriksen alone beats up AvPR's cast.
Characters: Both movies have several character development lack, but in AvP you can actually care for some. Plus, Weyland.
Effects: Suits and CGI were done in a much better way.
Creature design: No Overbite buckteethed aliens and no Octopus Predator.
Action: At least the fights are entertaining here...
So?
- I coud see everything, maybe it was dark in some scenes and the aliens didnt looked much different from avp
- Acting is same shit for me
- I didnt give a shit to anyone in avp, and truly hate some characters, but in both movie they suck
- The preds looked fake like hell in AVP, I'm with AVPR in this one
- In avp the preds looked fat, fake and all the same shit and the aliens looked terrible. so I think that both alien and pred designs were better in AVPr, the only bad design was the predalien
- The only ''true'' fight in AVP was celtic vs grid which was average and the rest of movie consisted in lex saving Scar's ass which was humiliating , AVPr had more fights and all of them were better than any action in AVP, and showed that a pred that doesnt need human's help
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PM
- Acting is same shit for me
Mmmmm.... yeah. ::) At least AvP hadn't a whole bunch of newbies as the cast.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PM
- The preds looked fake like hell, I'm with AVPR in this one
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Oooooo ja
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PM
- In avp the preds looked fat, fake and all the same shit and the aliens looked terrible. so I think that both alien and pred designs were better in AVPr, the only bad design was the predalien
Fat, because they were wearing some armor? :D
O yes, the designs are better in AvPR... with the massive mandibles and the buckteeth... and the childly proportions... :P
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PM
- The only ''true'' fight in AVP was celtic vs grid which was average and the rest of movie consisted in lex saving Scar's ass which was humiliating , AVPr had more fights and all of them were better than any action in AVP, and showed that a pred that doesnt need human's help
Fights that went off, in like 30-40 seconds
each. Final battle lasts 1:50
minutes. Hell, at least the AvP ones catch some kind of attention and last 3 good minutes before ending. And Scar kills a good bunch of Aliens without the help of Lex.
And Predator needing human help
has absolutely nothing to do with the actual quality of the film. Nothing. Just because the Predator is a "badass" in AvPR doesn't make the film better.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PM
- I coud see everything, maybe it was dark in some scenes
Then you see in night vision, lucky you.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PMand the aliens didnt looked much different from avp
Absolute rage. The heads changed entirely, and that's the most distinct visual aspect of the Alien. Not to mention that the suits seemed much beefier, less lithe.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PM- The preds looked fake like hell, I'm with AVPR in this one
Wolf might in fact be the best Predator design we've seen.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PMthe aliens looked terrible. so I think that both alien and pred designs were better in AVPr, the only bad design was the predalien
The Aliens in AvP looked better than they did in AR and AvPR. Even if all movies used the exact same suits (which they don't), AvP just used the suits to best effect in terms of camera angle and lighting.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 03:08:55 PM- The only ''true'' fight in AVP was celtic vs grid which was average and the rest of movie consisted in lex saving Scar's ass which was humiliating , AVPr had more fights and all of them were better than any action in AVP, and showed that a pred that doesnt need human's help
AvPR showed that Predators are f**king retarded. And before you jump me for that, I'd rather see Predators as needing a hand from time to time rather than being balls-out retarded.
If AvP's fight was average, then the ones in AvPR were abysmal. Nothing about them resembled a fight we actually wanted to see. It's just one dude in a suit wailing on other dudes in suits doing nothing to stop the first guy. The issue isn't even that the Aliens are getting their asses kicked - it's that they're so irrelevant.
One Predator messes up a dozen Aliens in half an hour? Alright, sure, but at least depict it in a way that's consistent with some semblance of dramatic expectation. Don't scale back the Aliens so the scaled back Predator can kick their asses. Create a fight sensitive to the context and location which leaves the audience guessing.
What if Wolf slaughtered a bunch of human beings and draped their corpses around a lure area to confuse an Alien's senses? What if Wolf pulled a Scar and tricked an Alien into a false sense of security? What if Wolf used the terror he can cause to herd the humans into an easily-accessible, central location, thereby luring the Aliens to the same place?
It's all about tension and justification. Because from what we've seen in the films, any Alien would've eaten Wolf for breakfast given his level of intelligence and wit.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
Wolf might in fact be the best Predator design we've seen.
That, that was
sarcasm, all right Alex? :o
Well, his head sucked as per ADI's suckageness in general, but his mask was really, really good and the body was pretty spot-on.
*Wipes tear*
now I feel better. Thought your predator taste went apeshit. :o
Yeah, the mask is well done and P2-ish; I'm sorry to say this, but ADI really failed with the Face. :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
Mmmmm.... yeah. ::) At least AvP hadn't a whole bunch of newbies as the cast.
I dont care if there were newbies, I care about their acting and in both movies it sucked in the same level
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/5f5gth.jpg
Oooooo ja
thats a behind-the-scenes picture, he looked better in the movie
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
Fat, because they were wearing some armor? :D
O yes, the designs are better in AvPR... with the massive mandibles and the buckteeth... and the childly proportions... :P
After celtic takes part of his armor off and in the making of we can see that is not just the armor. And I could deal with 1 fat pred, but all of them looked the same shit
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
Fights that went off, in like 30-40 seconds each. Final battle lasts 1:50 minutes. Hell, at least the AvP ones catch some kind of attention and last 3 good minutes before ending. And Scar kills a good bunch of Aliens without the help of Lex.
And Predator needing human help has absolutely nothing to do with the actual quality of the film. Nothing. Just because the Predator is a "badass" in AvPR doesn't make the film better.
Doesnt matter the time, they were still better for me.
So you dont care when one of main creatures is show as a loser? Isnt that the one of the main reasons that you hate AVPr, for showing the aliens like nothing?
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:28:13 PMquote a
Then you see in night vision, lucky you.
... or a TV with great quality
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
Absolute rage. The heads changed entirely, and that's the most distinct visual aspect of the Alien. Not to mention that the suits seemed much beefier, less lithe.
I was talking about the way the were showed in the movie, not the design
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
Wolf might in fact be the best Predator design we've seen.
He was good but anytime and pussyface were better, and when I said that they looked fake I was talking about AVP's and that AvPr got best effects
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
The Aliens in AvP looked better than they did in AR and AvPR. Even if all movies used the exact same suits (which they don't), AvP just used the suits to best effect in terms of camera angle and lighting.
... in
your opinion. I thought the ones in AVPR better
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 25, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
AvPR showed that Predators are f**king retarded. And before you jump me for that, I'd rather see Predators as needing a hand from time to time rather than being balls-out retarded.
If AvP's fight was average, then the ones in AvPR were abysmal. Nothing about them resembled a fight we actually wanted to see. It's just one dude in a suit wailing on other dudes in suits doing nothing to stop the first guy. The issue isn't even that the Aliens are getting their asses kicked - it's that they're so irrelevant.
One Predator messes up a dozen Aliens in half an hour? Alright, sure, but at least depict it in a way that's consistent with some semblance of dramatic expectation. Don't scale back the Aliens so the scaled back Predator can kick their asses. Create a fight sensitive to the context and location which leaves the audience guessing.
What if Wolf slaughtered a bunch of human beings and draped their corpses around a lure area to confuse an Alien's senses? What if Wolf pulled a Scar and tricked an Alien into a false sense of security? What if Wolf used the terror he can cause to herd the humans into an easily-accessible, central location, thereby luring the Aliens to the same place?
It's all about tension and justification. Because from what we've seen in the films, any Alien would've eaten Wolf for breakfast given his level of intelligence and wit.
The fights were not perfect but I liked them :)
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/5f5gth.jpg
Oooooo ja
thats a behind-the-scenes picture, he looked better in the movie
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm191%2FIzzys88%2FPREDATORsd.jpg&hash=60ed9e078192a07d59b584e4b50e300f194fb5bd)
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 04:40:08 PM... or a TV with great quality
I have AVPR on bluray and a 40" inch TV. With the brightness up, I
still can't make out what's happening onscreen. Even the day scenes have a dark, afternoon shadow over them.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
... or a TV with great quality
I have an HD TV. All I could make out was one dark, formless blob fighting another dark, formless blob.
Again I'm going to say, AVP:R is far far worse than AvP. Not that AVP is good... it's simply much better than it's sequel.
But for the Pred Design... come on people!
Wolf still looks fake and octopussy and everything... but please don't tell me you found the Preds in AVP more convincing? Hell no! They were the fakest I've ever seen... and those brows, the way they moved and that ugly ugly inner mouth... bah... na sorry... Wolf looks better hands down.
btw: It's not just the armor that makes them fat. The Preds in AVP WERE fat. E.G. when Celtic jumps down to the Grid Alien that's in the net, you can see that the Guy in the Suit was not Ian Whyte and that they used a stuntman for that shot... so 1st of all the Pred looks really small, 2nd it really is fat... full stop
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
thats a behind-the-scenes picture, he looked better in the movie
Looked like an octopus anyway.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
So you dont care when one of main creatures is show as a loser? Isnt that the one of the main reasons that you hate AVPr, for showing the aliens like nothing?
I'm not one of those fanboys which just sees the creatures and nothing else while watching the film. Yes, both are awful, but I'm one of those that hates AvPR because it, fundamentally,
sucks.
I'll rephrase what I said in another thread:
Quote from: Me, Myself and I on Apr 23, 2010, 02:51:49 PMUnlike most people out there, I hate AvPR mainly not for what it did to the creatures, ruining their imagery and stuff. Yes, those events add a good slice to the garbage of the film, but I hate that film simply because it's futile. Pointless and gratitious violence onscreen and nothing more. Nothing. NOTHING!
Character development, plot development, pacing, tension, nothing! Disgust! End of the point of the film! Disgust at the beginning, disgust walkthrough, disgust at the end! Disgust that reachs its pointless apex in the infamous maternity ward scene, which is the most gratitious splatter crap I have ever, ever seen!
The characters can't hold a candle if compared to any other characters in either franchise. Even the Prisoners from the theatrical cut of Alien3 hold better, sheesh! The plot, while irrisory and mundane, had potentials. Lots and lots of potentials. Hell, put a Queen in the sewers in a Alligator fashion, make the Predalien more memorable and not just something put into there just for the sake of coolzorz, make a more memorable Predator, or more than one... nothing. Whole film doesn't make you feel anything but disgust. And the final fight? Woodruff and Whyte just wasted their time and talents.
And don't get me started on how both creatures were awful. Chet was decent.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
... or a TV with great quality
I have a big HD Television. Still 80% of the film is barely able to be seen.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
I was talking about the way the were showed in the movie, not the design
But the creature design is how the creatures look...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 06:54:17 PM
I have a big HD Television. Still 80% of the film is barely able to be seen.
The only scenes that were that dark were the sewers, shop store and the hospital, the rest was fine
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 06:54:17 PM
But the creature design is how the creatures look...
That was a response to when you talked about photography, and that the alien in avp didnt looked like a man in the suit unlike avpr and that Anderson showed them in a better way, here:
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 02:40:51 PM
Photography: You can see at least something, and you can't make out that the Aliens are guy in suits in 99.9% of the whole film, because Anderson knows how to shoot Aliens.
So I said that they were showed in the same way for me
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 07:47:02 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 25, 2010, 06:54:17 PM
I have a big HD Television. Still 80% of the film is barely able to be seen.
The only scenes that were that dark were the sewers, shop store and the hospital, the rest was fine
And those were supposed to be the big, exciting fights. They failed miserably. Also, the part with the National Guard.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
And those were supposed to be the big, exciting fights. They failed miserably. Also, the part with the National Guard.
Look I know it was dark but its possible to see whats going on
Not without getting a migrain in the process. ;D
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
And those were supposed to be the big, exciting fights. They failed miserably. Also, the part with the National Guard.
Look I know it was dark but its possible to see whats going on
You can tell that something's hitting something else. You can't tell
what's hitting something else, since it's so damn dark. Add the Predator and Predalien in the same room, and you have no chance of understanding what the hell's happening, since they both have f**king tentacles hanging off their heads. It was incredibly poorly done, and whoever did the editing for that film should commit seppuku.
The National Guards arrival had so much potential, but they killed them all of them off in less than 30 seconds. So highly trained troops can't survive but a pizza boy can...
The way I see it, there were three potential perspectives they could have made the main focus of the story:
1. The military's.
2. The townspeople holed up in the central square.
3. The pizza-boy, with the Ripley wannabe, the Newt stand-in, and a few other bland, completely indistinguishable characters.
Why, of those three, they went with the third we will never know.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 09:11:20 PM
You can tell that something's hitting something else. You can't tell what's hitting something else, since it's so damn dark. Add the Predator and Predalien in the same room, and you have no chance of understanding what the hell's happening, since they both have f**king tentacles hanging off their heads. It was incredibly poorly done, and whoever did the editing for that film should commit seppuku.
Actually I can see who is hitting who in the fights, just pay attention dude...
It's hard to "pay attention" when the room is pitch black.
You can generally tell who's hitting who judging from the shiny outlines. The problem is that you can't make out the details.
Such a waste of ADI's talents.
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 09:11:20 PM
You can tell that something's hitting something else. You can't tell what's hitting something else, since it's so damn dark. Add the Predator and Predalien in the same room, and you have no chance of understanding what the hell's happening, since they both have f**king tentacles hanging off their heads. It was incredibly poorly done, and whoever did the editing for that film should commit seppuku.
Actually I can see who is hitting who in the fights, just pay attention dude...
This is supposed to be a "switch off and watch" film. I shouldn't have to pay that close attention to figure out what's going on. Again, I reiterate: the man in charge of editing this piece of shit should commit seppuku.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 25, 2010, 10:52:08 PM
You can generally tell who's hitting who judging from the shiny outlines. The problem is that you can't make out the details.
Such a waste of ADI's talents.
It's still damn annoying, especially when they got the Predalien in on the mix.
"Wait, what? Did the Predator just get thrown through the wall, or was it the other guy? Oh, screw it!" *switches channel*
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
And those were supposed to be the big, exciting fights. They failed miserably. Also, the part with the National Guard.
Look I know it was dark but its possible to see whats going on
Finally, someone else besides me who isn't blind.
You mean a fellow superbeing. Or a guy that has a copy of the film that wasn't edited by an idiot.
Makes you wonder if The Brothers *actually* sat through a rough cut of their own film. Or just threw what they had at the editor and didn't give a shit.
Seriously, as bad as the directing and writing was, the editing of that thing was even worse.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 01:46:51 AM
Quote from: SamHain on Apr 25, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 25, 2010, 08:56:37 PM
And those were supposed to be the big, exciting fights. They failed miserably. Also, the part with the National Guard.
Look I know it was dark but its possible to see whats going on
Finally, someone else besides me who isn't blind.
You can see fine all you want.
There is no denying the fact that the lighting was completely
obliterated by color correction.
I....I just don't see how you can't mind this too much.
The colour correction wasn't as good as it should've been, but I'm not crying out on everything being pitch black and unwatchable like everyone else is.
Because it almost is unwatchable at times. Yes you can still make out whats happening of course but it does get soo dark in some action scenes that it looks like your watching a cheap sci-fi tv show that has done it on purpose to disguise some dodgy effects. You can make it out, but alot of the time its just silhouttes and it looks terrible.
Not to me, it doesn't. I don't know why, maybe my vision is 21/20 or something but I see things just fine.
Doom is a owl.
Quote from: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 08:47:25 AM
Because it almost is unwatchable at times. Yes you can still make out whats happening of course but it does get soo dark in some action scenes that it looks like your watching a cheap sci-fi tv show that has done it on purpose to disguise some dodgy effects. You can make it out, but alot of the time its just silhouttes and it looks terrible.
I believe we have an explanation.
Thing is, it's true. Just watch some of the DVD extras. Chet looks laughably awkward.
No thank you. I have sat through that film twice now, and that was two times too many. I'll be damned if I bother with special features!
I'll give you internet crater cake if you do...
Hmm... tempting.
Om... nom... nom...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 26, 2010, 07:57:03 PM
Doom is a owl.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclosetenvironmentalist.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F03%2Fya-rly.jpg&hash=f6e9e4fd4d1876a215ebd19f3db8c51795fb5add)
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 10:33:08 PM
Om... nom... nom...
Must... resist... GAH! Alright, fine, you win! I'll watch it for the cake!
Excellent.
We begin at dawn!
for the people complaing that AVP-R is too dark, i'm pretty sure there is a screen adjuster on your remote
that lets you enhance the image and make it brighter. :P
That doesn't add enough contrast without screwing up the color. Then again, why bother making it brighter in the first place? At least the darkness covers some of the horrible alien designs.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
for the people complaing that AVP-R is too dark, i'm pretty sure there is a screen adjuster on your remote
that lets you enhance the image and make it brighter. :P
Did it, doesn't work.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 11:30:47 PM
Excellent.
We begin at dawn!
Wait, your dawn or mine?
Same here. Tried that. Do you think we're that dumb. Theres only so much you can do with brightness and contrast when the original source is so dark to begin with. its like when you watch a pirate movie and no matter what you do with the settings everything is still a little bit too dark. Except this aint a damn pirate. Its a genuine DVD that I paid for. Its watchable sure, but it the darkness detracts alot from some of the setpieces. Hell even the directors themselves awknowledged it and theyre somewhat embarrassed about it and have apologized for it. If the directors have admitted it was a mistake and they think its too dark i dont know why people are still defending it. Its the worst contrast/darkness levels ive seen on any dvd ever.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 26, 2010, 11:48:04 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
for the people complaing that AVP-R is too dark, i'm pretty sure there is a screen adjuster on your remote
that lets you enhance the image and make it brighter. :P
Did it, doesn't work.
hmmmmmmm......we got a real problem here.....
Quote from: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 11:55:32 PM
Same here. Tried that. Do you think we're that dumb. Theres only so much you can do with brightness and contrast when the original source is so dark to begin with. its like when you watch a pirate movie and no matter what you do with the settings everything is still a little bit too dark. Except this aint a damn pirate. Its a genuine DVD that I paid for. Its watchable sure, but it the darkness detracts alot from some of the setpieces. Hell even the directors themselves awknowledged it and theyre somewhat embarrassed about it and have apologized for it. If the directors have admitted it was a mistake and they think its too dark i dont know why people are still defending it. Its the worst contrast/darkness levels ive seen on any dvd ever.
It worked for me, about 2 or 3 scenes are a little too dark but I guess its better than nothing...
And those 2 or 3 scenes are supposed to be the climax of this godforsaken film
It shouldn't be our responsibility to adjust the brightness on the TV to see this poo-poo film better. It's the DP's job. Or the set designers, or the editor.
The colour grader under the direction of the directors.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
for the people complaing that AVP-R is too dark, i'm pretty sure there is a screen adjuster on your remote
that lets you enhance the image and make it brighter. :P
That usually ruins the picture.
Quite. 'Cos then you can actually see them things that they claim are "Aliens".
Wiseguy...
Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk...
Quote from: Keg on Apr 26, 2010, 11:55:32 PM
Same here. Tried that. Do you think we're that dumb. Theres only so much you can do with brightness and contrast when the original source is so dark to begin with. its like when you watch a pirate movie and no matter what you do with the settings everything is still a little bit too dark. Except this aint a damn pirate. Its a genuine DVD that I paid for. Its watchable sure, but it the darkness detracts alot from some of the setpieces. Hell even the directors themselves awknowledged it and theyre somewhat embarrassed about it and have apologized for it. If the directors have admitted it was a mistake and they think its too dark i dont know why people are still defending it. Its the worst contrast/darkness levels ive seen on any dvd ever.
^ This.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 26, 2010, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 26, 2010, 07:57:03 PM
Doom is a owl.
http://closetenvironmentalist.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/ya-rly.jpg
I knew it!!! :D
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
for the people complaing that AVP-R is too dark, i'm pretty sure there is a screen adjuster on your remote
that lets you enhance the image and make it brighter. :P
I... i tried it!
...
Didn't work. *cries*
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
for the people complaing that AVP-R is too dark, i'm pretty sure there is a screen adjuster on your remote
that lets you enhance the image and make it brighter. :P
well we shouldnt have to.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 27, 2010, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 11:49:46 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 11:30:47 PM
Excellent.
We begin at dawn!
Wait, your dawn or mine?
SM's.
This confounds things further; I don't know where he lives.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 27, 2010, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Apr 26, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
for the people complaing that AVP-R is too dark, i'm pretty sure there is a screen adjuster on your remote
that lets you enhance the image and make it brighter. :P
I... i tried it!
...
Didn't work. *cries*
Don't cry. Look on the bright side; you didn't have to actually
see that terrible film.
So... do I still get crater cake?
Maybe later. No promises.
Damnit.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 27, 2010, 10:28:59 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 26, 2010, 11:49:46 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 26, 2010, 11:30:47 PM
Excellent.
We begin at dawn!
Wait, your dawn or mine?
SM's.
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You keep finding those lolcats...
Wait, attack? What? I thought I was getting cake!
Attack first - then cake.
Excellent.
The Alien cake, no less.
I thought it was crater cake.
Well actually it's crater cake baked by H. R. Giger himself. So it's sort of an Alien crater cake, if you will.
Yummy! :D
I've Come up with a theory About the the preference of one over the other That no ones talking about:
AVP: Is the better Alien film, Alien fans like this one.
AVPR: is the better Predator film, Predator fans prefer this one.
AvP can be liked by predator fans if you see what happens after the main fight, which is a showoff of Predator badass.
AvpR cause of the SLIGHTLY cooler predator.
Quote from: botched on May 02, 2010, 02:03:05 PM
I've Come up with a theory About the the preference of one over the other That no ones talking about:
AVP: Is the better Alien film, Alien fans like this one.
AVPR: is the better Predator film, Predator fans prefer this one.
I'm a Predator fan. I prefer
AvP. Your theory is wrong.
I don't prefer avpr. I dislike both.
Same but if I had to choose I would chose it would be AvPR
I find it funny that some Predator fans like Wolf and, in extension, AvP:R(ectum), when he is by far the most incompetent, dumbest, and just all-around worst Predator we have seen in a film so far.
But he looks awesome ;D :P
His mouth was large enough to swallow a watermelon. Whole.
His face was weird but mask was quite cool. His vision modes were tacky though.
I do like how he wields the -
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-, of all things. :P
See who doesn't love a good old Power Glove.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZErvASwdlU
Well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYDuy7wM8Gk
Yeah, I've seen that. Personally, I think the AVGN is overrated.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 02, 2010, 05:25:47 PM
I find it funny that some Predator fans like Wolf and, in extension, AvP:R(ectum), when he is by far the most incompetent, dumbest, and just all-around worst Predator we have seen in a film so far.
Considering he didn't team up with a human and lose his caster, I'd say Scar was dumber.
Quote from: botched on May 02, 2010, 02:03:05 PM
I've Come up with a theory About the the preference of one over the other That no ones talking about:
AVP: Is the better Alien film, Alien fans like this one.
AVPR: is the better Predator film, Predator fans prefer this one.
Totally,the movies have competent plots and superb acting and great creature portrayal.
:P :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2010, 06:19:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 02, 2010, 05:25:47 PM
I find it funny that some Predator fans like Wolf and, in extension, AvP:R(ectum), when he is by far the most incompetent, dumbest, and just all-around worst Predator we have seen in a film so far.
Considering he didn't team up with a human and lose his caster, I'd say Scar was dumber.
What? Scar's caster was stolen before he even had a chance to own it!
Besides, Wolf had
two casters and still managed to lose
both of 'em!
One was destroyed.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on May 02, 2010, 06:39:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2010, 06:19:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 02, 2010, 05:25:47 PM
I find it funny that some Predator fans like Wolf and, in extension, AvP:R(ectum), when he is by far the most incompetent, dumbest, and just all-around worst Predator we have seen in a film so far.
Considering he didn't team up with a human and lose his caster, I'd say Scar was dumber.
What? Scar's caster was stolen before he even had a chance to own it!
He stood still, ignored what was around him, and was owned and needed a human to save him.
Quote from: Dark Passenger on May 03, 2010, 06:25:44 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2010, 06:52:50 PM
One was destroyed.
same difference though
How are destroying and losing the same thing?
The point is he no longer had it in his possession.
It's a tradition, or an old charter, or something.
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 02, 2010, 05:31:47 PM
I do like how he wields the -
http://www.hiphopgamershow.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/wii_power_glove.jpg
-, of all things. :P
Now I seriously want Jimmy Edwards to punch Wolf in the face.
Wolf would have made the three youngbloods his bitches. Nothin' fased him. Unlike scar, who made that stupid face soon as he saw the queen. :o
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 05, 2010, 11:50:16 AM
who made that stupid face soon as he saw the queen. :o
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RLY??
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Quote from: Vulhala on May 05, 2010, 12:29:08 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
:D :D :D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 05, 2010, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 05, 2010, 11:50:16 AM
who made that stupid face soon as he saw the queen. :o
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RLY??
NO WAIII
Looks just like a toy.
Its ridiculous.
Cant believe it made the final edit.
Know looks worse than Mega shark vs. giant octopus
And it isn't even CG, either.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 02, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
AvP can be liked by predator fans if you see what happens after the main fight, which is a showoff of Predator badass.
Highly disagree with that. Scar was complete shit. He was no where near a badass. I'm glad he died.
Meh. Still more competent than Wolf.
Aaargh!
Why, hello there Anto! :D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 05, 2010, 10:14:45 PM
Meh. Still more competent than Wolf.
Doesn't matter. He wasn't the shit, but just simply shit :-\ He was better than Celtic and Gill, but he won't become good because of that. Okay, shit maybe a bit much. But he is way too far from being badass. Let's say he was.. too young and dreamy :D :D
Btw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB8TNMBqrpA
you know what's the music of this video? I need it ;D Sorry for abrupt question.
Quote from: The Demon on May 05, 2010, 10:08:45 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 02, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
AvP can be liked by predator fans if you see what happens after the main fight, which is a showoff of Predator badass.
Highly disagree with that. Scar was complete shit. He was no where near a badass. I'm glad he died.
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o hai
wassup with that?
That is the coolest thing he did and even that is unlike a predator that we had seen previously
It's not really unlike a pred. Pf did some 'jump to the middle and rock' action too.. but that was at lest efficient and deadly. Scar had the time to decide where to put that thingy, so why didn't he kill the queen. And if he knew he had no chance why did he do it at all?
I think that scene looks cool. Reminds me of p2. But it's not a presentation of any skill :-\
Its that swirl half way threw that bugs me.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 06, 2010, 07:14:26 PM
It's not really unlike a pred. Pf did some 'jump to the middle and rock' action too.. but that was at lest efficient and deadly. Scar had the time to decide where to put that thingy, so why didn't he kill the queen. And if he knew he had no chance why did he do it at all?
I think that scene looks cool. Reminds me of p2. But it's not a presentation of any skill :-\
Then when he severs the Alien head taking it on surprise is the proof of his skills, much? ;)
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 06, 2010, 03:08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB8TNMBqrpA
you know what's the music of this video? I need it ;D Sorry for abrupt question.
A sped-up version of the theme song for Japan Break Industries.
For all of those out there that don't like AVP:R because the predalien was too predator like then, well...
Did anyone here about what they could've made the predalien do?
This is taken from the deleted scenes section of this site...
"Hanging Predator Bodies (Source: Behind-The-Scenes Feature, Trading Card)
Skinned Predators were seen hanging from inside the Predator ship in the beginning of a Behind-The-Scenes featurette. The story behind this is that Fox wanted the Predalien to act more Predator-like which included using a cloak and Predator weapons. As a compromise, this scene was shot where the Predalien had skinned the Predators on the ship and hung them with alien resin. It was ultimately cut from the movie as it didn't look right and won't be on the forthcoming DVD either"
My god. I always knew that Fox often was stupid about things, but this is beyond comprehension.
Nothing new, producers often have the most f**ked-up ideas..
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 06, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: The Demon on May 05, 2010, 10:08:45 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 02, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
AvP can be liked by predator fans if you see what happens after the main fight, which is a showoff of Predator badass.
Highly disagree with that. Scar was complete shit. He was no where near a badass. I'm glad he died.
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o hai
Pfft. One scene in the entire flick, and even that scene wasn't enough to get me excited. Geez, he jumps and spins in the air like a ninja, yet can't even keep up with Lex while running. Explain that to me.
He was significantly injured by an Alien's tail that found itself in his shoulder.
And shoulder wounds very certainly impact on running speed and stamina.
QuotePfft. One scene in the entire flick, and even that scene wasn't enough to get me excited. Geez, he jumps and spins in the air like a ninja, yet can't even keep up with Lex while running. Explain that to me.
blame Paul Worthless Shit Anderson.
Lex is a natural sprinter. Very dangerous over short distances.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 07, 2010, 01:35:39 AM
He was significantly injured by an Alien's tail that found itself in his shoulder.
And shoulder wounds very certainly impact on running speed and stamina.
Anytime had a grenade explode right at his feet and was shot in the leg and still outpaced Dutch. Enough said.
Although he did dress and close the shot wound, and the grenade wasn't so much a grenade as a leaf filled with explosive powder.
And he cried when he fixed his leg what Mac shot. Wuss.
QuoteHe was significantly injured by an Alien's tail that found itself in his shoulder
was this at the mouth of the tunnel? well i remember Lex out running scar when they were running towards the tunnel, explain that?
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 07, 2010, 02:14:35 AM
the grenade wasn't so much a grenade as a leaf filled with explosive powder.
The end result was the same.
No way in hell.
Grenades are generally shrapnel-based area-of-effect weapons, not incendiary. Without its metal casing, the whole function of the grenade is gone. It's essentially good for a nice bang, but it's not throwing the force around that it should be.
It still hurt him. There's a reason why he squealed.
Yes, but it's still not comparable to finding an Alien's tail lodged in your shoulder.
He was still running slowly before the tail went through him. Watch the scene right before Lex gets to the sled controls.
Well darn me to heck.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 07, 2010, 01:22:01 AM
Pfft. One scene in the entire flick, and even that scene wasn't enough to get me excited.
I got only that gif :P but there are other scenes which give Predators glory. ;)
AvP Pred goodness....
1: The ninja spear-spin.
2: Celtics interior decoration with a xeno.
3: Scar killing the facehugger and xeno. (both at point blank, without a drop on 'em)
4: Scar shoosting a couple of Aliums in a hallway.
5: I like how the ship flew in unnoticed.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 06, 2010, 09:03:23 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 06, 2010, 03:08:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB8TNMBqrpA
you know what's the music of this video? I need it ;D Sorry for abrupt question.
A sped-up version of the theme song for Japan Break Industries.
Thank you. I guess you don't want a cake :)
QuoteThen when he severs the Alien head taking it on surprise is the proof of his skills, much? ;)
Even Wolf could do that. Buddy, I see no skill there :-\
What are you talking about?
Scar, without looking, preempted an Alien's sneak attack and cut off its face. Let's remember what we're dealing with here - Aliens are the ridiculously, unfathomably terrifying hybrid of a Ringwraith, a dragon and Spiderman. Put a Ringwraith, a dragon and Spiderman in a blender, and if a lifeform walks out it's an Alien.
Scar played the Alien's own game and won without breaking a sweat.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 07, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
AvP Pred goodness....
1: The ninja spear-spin.
2: Celtics interior decoration with a xeno.
3: Scar killing the facehugger and xeno. (both at point blank, without a drop on 'em)
4: Scar shoosting a couple of Aliums in a hallway.
5: I like how the ship flew in unnoticed.
6: Predator putting Alien head on spear in the flashback
7: Surface Mass-kill with some fantastic shots
8: Jump-Cloak
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 07, 2010, 11:42:16 AM
Even Wolf could do that. Buddy, I see no skill there :-\
If that is not skill I can't see skill in Predators at all.
QuoteWhat are you talking about?
Scar, without looking, preempted an Alien's sneak attack and cut off its face. Let's remember what we're dealing with here - Aliens are the ridiculously, unfathomably terrifying hybrid of a Ringwraith, a dragon and Spiderman. Put a Ringwraith, a dragon and Spiderman in a blender, and if a lifeform walks out it's an Alien.
Scar played the Alien's own game and won without breaking a sweat.
Celtic did it also.
I don't see the difference. Preds have perfect abilities, and they can hear aliens. Sneaking is not only aliens game, not to mention that preds know aliens, and xenos don't know it. this knowledge is a very important advantage.
I have no skills, just because I hear someone sneaking up on me, and stab him in the heart.
QuoteIf that is not skill I can't see skill in Predators at all.
Well, that's your own thingy, sorry. Not meant as a pun, please don't think so.
Thingy? How is that not skill, if it is a perfect example of a Predator's skill?
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 07, 2010, 11:54:48 AMCeltic did it also.
I don't see the difference. Preds have perfect abilities, and they can hear aliens. Sneaking is not only aliens game, not to mention that preds know aliens, and xenos don't know it. this knowledge is a very important advantage.
I have no skills, just because I hear someone sneaking up on me, and stab him in the heart.
In P1 and P2, we don't get examples of them having advanced hearing. Sure, we hear things louder, but at the ranges presented to us, they wouldn't be out of earshot. Plus, they're all distorted as f**k.
So there's no absolute that says Predators can always hear sneaking Aliens. Aliens are the sneak masters. Think about how soundless Spike was when he pulled his victims above into the ventilation system. Small sound for dragging a still-living body up by one hand. Perhaps Predators are better at detecting Aliens in general. Fair point. But that's not to say that they automatically perceive Aliens when they're present. Gill got gutted by an Alien earlier, which is the point of comparison.
Gill, who did shit all (and yet is still presented to us as a competent Predator) got wtfpwned by an Alien sneak attack. Celtic almost got taken in as well, but died despite his fast reactions. Scar, alone, came to the Alien's playing board and cleaned up.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 07, 2010, 12:05:44 PM
Gill got gutted by Scar earlier, which is the point of comparison.
???
Fixed, but the mental image is balls-out awesome.
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Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 07, 2010, 11:54:48 AMCeltic did it also.
I don't see the difference. Preds have perfect abilities, and they can hear aliens. Sneaking is not only aliens game, not to mention that preds know aliens, and xenos don't know it. this knowledge is a very important advantage.
I have no skills, just because I hear someone sneaking up on me, and stab him in the heart.
In P1 and P2, we don't get examples of them having advanced hearing. Sure, we hear things louder, but at the ranges presented to us, they wouldn't be out of earshot. Plus, they're all distorted as f**k.
So there's no absolute that says Predators can always hear sneaking Aliens. Aliens are the sneak masters. Think about how soundless Spike was when he pulled his victims above into the ventilation system. Small sound for dragging a still-living body up by one hand. Perhaps Predators are better at detecting Aliens in general. Fair point. But that's not to say that they automatically perceive Aliens when they're present. Gill got gutted by an Alien earlier, which is the point of comparison.
Gill, who did shit all (and yet is still presented to us as a competent Predator) got wtfpwned by an Alien sneak attack. Celtic almost got taken in as well, but died despite his fast reactions. Scar, alone, came to the Alien's playing board and cleaned up.
Being distorted doesn't matter.. for them it's maybe something that make it hear things from distance. It's the same with the vision problem at the end of p1. 'How can theycreate technology like this, or with heat vision'?? It's normal for them, they don't perceive things like us. and they clearly hear things normally you wouldn't, like murmuring to itself in a crowded city, from a top of a skyscraper.
No absolute, of course. there are no absolutes in an argument about fictional caharacters. Highly probable though. preds are masters of sneaking too. I don't deny, aliens had the upper hand in that pyramid. But again, Celtic could make what Scar did also. I see no difference. I saw it equal to Scar's action. They both took action after perception. Only in Scar's case the alien didn't know about that very perception. The hunter wasn't making any moves, or lure the alien, simply spotted it. As Celtic did. Both are good moves, but won't present skill. Or not that much. I don't say that move wasn't good. I'm refering to lack of skill in general, and according the ninja jumpy thing.
And I didn't say they hear aliens all the time, and can easily spot them. What would be the meaning? I only say they have a good potential to do that, but if they get sloppy, they will die, no question (as seen). But since normally they can perceive aliens, it's not a big thing that Scar or Celtic did. And well, if someone is retarded, he will get what he deserves. poor Gill :-\
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Alien was made years before predator...there for they have nothing to do with each other so dont give that crap about bishop being a droid in alien3 coz he isnt....anderson is a f**king twat.
these films have nothing to do with each other!!!!
Predators did not make the aliens, or get them shipped from the jockey!!!
ffs when are you people going to get it!!!
I'm sorry, but as I was reading back through the thread, I stumbled upon this. I know it's old, but I would never forgive myself if I didn't comment.
First of all,
Bishop is an android. This was prominently displayed during Aliens, when they said it in clear English multiple times, or when he was ripped in half, had white goo instead of blood pour out, and survived. He's an android.
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Alien was made years before predator...there for they have nothing to do with each other so dont give that crap about bishop being a droid in alien3 coz he isnt....anderson is a f**king twat.
these films have nothing to do with each other!!!!
Predators did not make the aliens, or get them shipped from the jockey!!!
ffs when are you people going to get it!!!
"I'm sure people would love to watch a film set in a temple with NO light at all"
Yet ppl moan about AVP:R being to dark......when there's no power in the town..there for it would be dark!!!
That's the point. People moan about Requiem being too dark to see, because it was. It makes sense, but at the same time, some things must be sacrificed so you can have a film you can
see. It may not make sense, but without the light in the Pyramid, there would have been no film. Like Requiem.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on May 08, 2010, 02:54:23 AM
Quote from: Attack.no1 on Feb 01, 2008, 11:32:28 AM
Alien was made years before predator...there for they have nothing to do with each other so dont give that crap about bishop being a droid in alien3 coz he isnt....anderson is a f**king twat.
these films have nothing to do with each other!!!!
Predators did not make the aliens, or get them shipped from the jockey!!!
ffs when are you people going to get it!!!
I'm sorry, but as I was reading back through the thread, I stumbled upon this. I know it's old, but I would never forgive myself if I didn't comment.
First of all, Bishop is an android. This was prominently displayed during Aliens, when they said it in clear English multiple times, or when he was ripped in half, had white goo instead of blood pour out, and survived. He's an android.
He was referring to the Bishop that entered at the end of Alien
3, who was a human.
Maybe.
No! Not here!
I mean, he didn't seem too worried about his ear, right... ?
We have a thread for this! We don't need another! Go there!
And like, maybe there was new synthetic technology that ran on a red fluid? Like a stealth droid that was designed to get shitkicked like a little bitch?
Have you no decency, sir? Have you no decency?
And, like, if you take the new AvP game into account, there could be HUNDREDS of Weyland droids...
Which begs the question; why did this one have red internal fluid when AvP's had white? Maybe there are two series: one for shitkicking and one for not-shitkicking. The Weyland-Yutani corporation read the future of A3 to see that that Weyland would get shitkicked, and sent one with red internal fluids to encourage Ripley.
It all comes together.
And then they stole the Doc's flux capacitor...
... which explains the cloning technology in AR.
Brilliance.
We have unraveled the puzzle!
Stay on topic, gents.
Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
Who you callin' a fool, foo?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 08, 2010, 05:04:29 AM
Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
336 people are liars and fools then. :P
I voted AvPR.
I quite like AvP:R, but my vote went to Mr. Andersonnnn. 8)
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 07, 2010, 02:39:21 AM
He was still running slowly before the tail went through him. Watch the scene right before Lex gets to the sled controls.
QuoteWell darn me to heck.
jesus. thats what i said on the page before >:(
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Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
336 people are liars and fools then. :P
I voted AvPR.
Yep.
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Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
336 people are liars and fools then. :P
I voted AvPR.
Yep.
Not everyone hate avpr like you... deal with it
Come on AVP your only losing by 1 percent!!!!!
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Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
336 people are liars and fools then. :P
I voted AvPR.
Yep.
Not everyone hate avpr like you... deal with it
It's called a joke. You may want to look up its definition in the dictionary. May I suggest here? (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/joke)
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Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
336 people are liars and fools then. :P
I voted AvPR.
Yep.
Not everyone hate avpr like you... deal with it
It's called a joke. You may want to look up its definition in the dictionary. May I suggest here? (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/joke)
Its also annoying to see you keep writing those stupid things about avpr, we all now you hate it... now move on
I agree actually. Esp. since Resurrection and Alien3 are far worse than Requiem.
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Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
336 people are liars and fools then. :P
I voted AvPR.
Yep.
Not everyone hate avpr like you... deal with it
It's called a joke. You may want to look up its definition in the dictionary. May I suggest here? (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/joke)
Its also annoying to see you keep writing those stupid things about avpr, we all now you hate it... now move on
What do you expect in a thread asking which film you prefer? If you didn't want to see people expressing their opinions on an AvP film, you shouldn't have joined an AvP forum.
I don't really think its your honest opinion though. I think you just want high-fives from the Alien fan-boys here. (you know who you are)
No, I do honestly hate this film. Even stepping away and removing my Alien fan viewpoint, it is still horrendous, although quite funny. The characters are non-existent, the plot is not very good, the pacing is terrible, and the editing was even worse. There was no flow from one scene to another, it just jumped around erratically.
Edit: Actually, hate is a little too strong of a word. Something less. It's still terrible though.
Despise?
I don't support the characters in any way, but I thought the pacing was quite interesting. Unusual kinda......maybe thats what draws me toward it. That and Wolf.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 06:03:42 PM
I agree actually. Esp. since Resurrection and Alien3 are far worse than Requiem.
:o :-\ ::)
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 06:03:42 PM
I agree actually. Esp. since Resurrection and Alien3 are far worse than Requiem.
A:R yes
Alien3 no
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Yessir. Anyways, AvP:R(ectum) is obviously the worse of the two, and if you disagree, you are both a liar and a fool!
336 people are liars and fools then. :P
I voted AvPR.
Yep.
Not everyone hate avpr like you... deal with it
It's called a joke. You may want to look up its definition in the dictionary. May I suggest here? (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/joke)
Its also annoying to see you keep writing those stupid things about avpr, we all now you hate it... now move on
What do you expect in a thread asking which film you prefer? If you didn't want to see people expressing their opinions on an AvP film, you shouldn't have joined an AvP forum.
You already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on May 08, 2010, 06:45:25 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 06:03:42 PM
I agree actually. Esp. since Resurrection and Alien3 are far worse than Requiem.
A:R yes
Alien3 no
I dont even think Alien Resurrection was as bad as Requiem. And Alien 3 is a million f**king miles away from being anywhere near as bad as Requiem.
Well A:R is random but you gotta love alien3
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Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 06:03:42 PM
I agree actually. Esp. since Resurrection and Alien3 are far worse than Requiem.
A:R yes
Alien3 no
I dont even think Alien Resurrection was as bad as Requiem. And Alien 3 is a million f**king miles away from being anywhere near as bad as Requiem.
Dude, I don't even know how you have the energy...
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on May 08, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Well A:R is random but you gotta love alien3
May I ask why ?
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on May 08, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Well A:R is random but you gotta love alien3
Alien 3 is my favourite. Despite its flaws, troubled production, and dodgy compositing, its still bloody brilliant. God only knows how it would have turned out if Fox didnt intervene and f**k about.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on May 08, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Well A:R is random but you gotta love alien3
May I ask why ?
Cause it is a good awesome film ? and I don't see any reasons to not like it.
Some people dont like it because of the slower pace, and the human drama aspect of it. some people just want a shit load of aliens running around killng things. Weve got Aliens, Alien Resurrection and the AVP films for that if thats your thing.
Alien 3 is like marmite thought isnt it. You either bloody love it (I do) or you just dont get it at all and you find it boring. I like every single Alien, Predator and AVP movie apart from Requiem. But even that i can sit and watch (although the Predalien f**king up the life cycle always requires a facepalm) and just enjoy the carnage (from what i can see, because its so irritatingly dark).
I also dont mind AR. It starts so well, and you can see that it could have been brilliant. But it completely loses its way in the final third of the movie and the ending is a mess, ruining the whole thing. But its still enjoyable to watch.
Nothing will touch the original Alien Trilogy and the two Predator movies though. Although Predators is looking very promising ;D
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 06:03:42 PM
I agree actually. Esp. since Resurrection and Alien3 are far worse than Requiem.
'Cause better actors, better photography and astronomically better plots and inner storylines don't count. ;)
Quote from: SamHain on May 08, 2010, 06:49:37 PM
You already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
Then avoid thread pertaining to AvP:R(ectum). Problem solved.
Come on, the R(ectum) thing is getting old quickly. There are many things that begin with R. Rot, Rubbish, Rust, Rachitic.... :P
Meh. I like it. Actually, I think I'll just start saying that film.
But AvPRot is cool.... :(
I fail to see how the ridiculous (resurrection) and thrown together (alien3) plots of those two are so much better than Requiem. It wasn't great no, but Resurrection is one of the worst (Alien or otherwise) films I've ever seen. Its a puppet, comedy farce.
Alien3 shouldn't have been made. That shoot went through so much shite, a decent film would never emerge. Of course Fox being the money whores that they are, they pushed and pushed until a very young, inexperienced and rushed director brought out a black mark against the series. Also his name, I dont doubt.
To each their own, I suppose. I can respect your opinion, no matter how abhorrently wrong it may be. ;)
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Quote from: SamHain on May 08, 2010, 06:49:37 PM
You already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
Then avoid thread pertaining to AvP:R(ectum). Problem solved.
No
A3 and A:R have respectable actors (Weaver-Perlman-Rider-lots of others) and good photography.
As much as their plots were flawed, AvPR was the typical slasher for gore kiddies, nothing much better than those... :P
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Quote from: SamHain on May 08, 2010, 06:49:37 PM
You already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
Then avoid thread pertaining to AvP:R(ectum). Problem solved.
No
Then... feel the pain! *Bashes AvPR*
The fact of the matter is the vast majority of Alien fans who have grown up watching them over the last 15,20,30 years willl hate AVPR because of what it is (a big pile of steaming shit). Do a poll of peoples favourite Alien films and AVPR will come rock bottom everytime.
If youre new to the series and you got into it through AVP and AVPR you wont see them the same way.
Anto by the way what was ridiculous and thrown together about Alien 3's plot? If youre going to say that about Alien 3 then i refer you to AVPR's plot. A ship crashes, aliens get loose, a pizza boy and some friends run around a town randomly being in the wrong place at the wrong time, people die, big explosion, helicopter, the end. No plot whatsoever. no point to the story whatsoever, no character development, no story progression, nothing. Just one "cool gory" moment after the other, until 90 minutes is up.
QuoteAs much as their plots were flawed, AvPR was the typical slasher for gore kiddies, nothing much better than those...
Amen to that brother!
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Quote from: SamHain on May 08, 2010, 06:49:37 PM
You already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
Then avoid threads pertaining to AvP:R(ectum). Problem solved.
No
Then get used to me, and others, discussing how bad
that film is.
QuoteYou already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
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Quote from: Puks on May 08, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
QuoteYou already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
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:D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 08, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
Then get used to me, and others, discussing how bad that film is.
Ok, then you will have to get used to me too
Quote from: Puks on May 08, 2010, 09:03:11 PM
QuoteYou already expressed your opinion many times, and its always about how avpr is bad.... its just annoying thats all
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Interesting...
What is this f**king 11 business ? 8)
it is cause 1 and ! have the same key.
AVP:R FTMFW, AAAAAYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEE
Quote from: SamHain on May 08, 2010, 09:17:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 08, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
Then get used to me, and others, discussing how bad that film is.
Ok, then you will have to get used to me too
I'm not the one complaining.
Quote from: Keg on May 08, 2010, 07:35:15 PM
The fact of the matter is the vast majority of Alien fans who have grown up watching them over the last 15,20,30 years willl hate AVPR because of what it is (a big pile of steaming shit). Do a poll of peoples favourite Alien films and AVPR will come rock bottom everytime.
If youre new to the series and you got into it through AVP and AVPR you wont see them the same way.
Anto by the way what was ridiculous and thrown together about Alien 3's plot? If youre going to say that about Alien 3 then i refer you to AVPR's plot. A ship crashes, aliens get loose, a pizza boy and some friends run around a town randomly being in the wrong place at the wrong time, people die, big explosion, helicopter, the end. No plot whatsoever. no point to the story whatsoever, no character development, no story progression, nothing. Just one "cool gory" moment after the other, until 90 minutes is up.
Amen to that!
Alien3 was a much more character driven film. We learn about Dillion and his path to redemption. Charles Dance and the mistake he made in the past that haunts him. Ripley and the deadly secret that she learns growing inside her. All these characters and their personal problems that they must deal with. I liked Alien3 10x better then AVPR.
Is Alien3 flawed? Yes at points, but it's better than the shit-fest known as AVPR.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 09:25:57 PM
What is this f**king 11 business ? 8)
n00bs frequently forget to use caps while using the ! key so when they want a ! they write a 1 instead. That has rapidly become popular and funny on the internet and some people (like Puks above) do it on purpose.
You mean shift caps lock doesn't change the number keys just the letters.
Er... yup. I'm like Alan Grant sometimes ;D
EDIT: FIVE, FIVE FOOKIN VOTES! WOOOOOO
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Edit: Meh, it looks lame. :D
Haha, great! :D If you think it's lame you should see some of my joke pictures in the Pillowfighting thread... ;)
Yer changed my vote to avp. And gotta love alien propaganda
Ahh, I feel sorry for avp-r now. It's bashed so much times. I know it's shit, and has no excuses, but still it feels so helpless.
Though I see now (thanks to Tusk) that a vote can be removed... I remember voting avp-r for Wolf's design, but since I dislike them both, I'll remove it. Damn your propaganda :D
How is AvP:R winning ? I mean I know AvP isnt great, but come on.
Yer that is why I originally voted for avp r as well. but neither of them are very favourable
As said countless times in past pages, the poll was made when AvPR got to the cinemas. Hype got all those votes, Logic came after, and some users aren't even anymore here to rethink it! :(
There should be another one but it would would take a while to get the respect this one has.
Yes! Only a 4 vote difference now. Come on guys, we can do this!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 09, 2010, 12:20:06 PM
As said countless times in past pages, the poll was made when AvPR got to the cinemas. Hype got all those votes, Logic came after, and some users aren't even anymore here to rethink it! :(
Okay, but why didn't those voters remove the votes? Maybe they are as stoopid as me, and didn't realize it can be done? ;D
We should all put up super offensive, sexual av and sigs as a "dirty" protest, until AvP is made better.
Or not.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 09, 2010, 12:24:09 PM
Okay, but why didn't those voters remove the votes? Maybe they are as stoopid as me, and didn't realize it can be done? ;D
Not St00pid, just don't catch it (I for one didn't notice it until a week ago, and I'm here since some months. :P), didn't come to the site anymore, simply are gore kiddies, or are some of the 200 additional accounts Doom made to get AvPR winning. J-K ;D
but I don't feel like a ban tbh. ;) and John Marston is protest enough.
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on May 09, 2010, 12:29:06 PM
but I don't feel like a ban tbh. ;) and John Marston is protest enough.
What?
I was referring to
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 09, 2010, 12:26:24 PM
We should all put up super offensive, sexual av and sigs as a "dirty" protest, until AvP is made better.
Or not.
that
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 09, 2010, 12:18:49 PM
How is AvP:R winning ? I mean I know AvP isnt great, but come on.
My god. We actually agree on something!
Nope, you're wrong. :-X
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 09, 2010, 12:18:49 PM
How is AvP:R winning ? I mean I know AvP isnt great, but come on.
Because enough of us realize it's better than AvP ;D
You still continue in your endless crusade? Or, should I say, Jihad? ;D
Jokin'.
Although I must admit your struggle is heroic, it'll end up futile, nonetheless. Sooner or later, we shall prevail!
4 votes, biatch!
I look at the poll above and know that justice exists. After around 3 years.
The wheels of justice may be slow, but they are turning.
Every forum newcomer should be instructed to vote for AvP in this poll, but I'm sure DoomRulz will try to turn 'em to the dark side.
In AvPR's case, it's literally "the dark side". ;D
Ooooh snap! ::)
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Quote from: Puks on May 10, 2010, 02:03:52 PM
Every forum newcomer should be instructed to vote for AvP in this poll, but I'm sure DoomRulz will try to turn 'em to the dark side.
In AvPR's case, it's literally "the dark side". ;D
Pfft, whatever!
I'm legally blind and I could tell what was going on in AVPR. :o
Quote from: Yautja117 on May 10, 2010, 09:35:45 PM
I'm legally blind and I could tell what was going on in AVPR. :o
Don't you love it how
AvP:R defenders always say "I could tell what's going on.", but never "That shot looked amazing." or simply "It wasn't dark!"
Because deep down they cannot deny the fact, that visually, this film is a two fingered salute to celluloid.
I am legally considered blind though. Can't be on the road without glasses. ;)
Still, both movies were terrible. I just happen to prefer one over the other. I'm also here to let Doom know he's not the only one to defend this film.
Quote from: Yautja117 on May 10, 2010, 09:46:23 PM
So what if there aren't any "amazing shots" in AVPR? The first one really didn't have anything either.
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. . . I beg to differ.
Quote from: Yautja117 on May 10, 2010, 09:46:23 PM
I am legally considered blind though. Can't be on the road without glasses. >:(
Me too.
QuoteStill, both movies were terrible. I just happen to prefer one over the other. So what if there aren't any "amazing shots" in AVPR? The first one really didn't have anything either.
The helicopter rising over the Piper-Maru?
The pyramid reveal?
The Predators gearing up?
The Predator pods ejecting from the mother ship?
The Celtic/Grid fight?
Grid screeching over Celtic's corpse, amongst a sea of skulls?
Scar impaling the Queen with his spear?
And many moar.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on May 10, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: Yautja117 on May 10, 2010, 09:46:23 PM
So what if there aren't any "amazing shots" in AVPR? The first one really didn't have anything either.
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. . . I beg to differ.
:D
This shot alone rapes the whole of
AvP:R.
Quite. The only memorable shot Requiem had was Wolf holding the two Aliens by the neck, and even that was only memorable because it pissed off more people than were physically available to be pissed off.
Grid screeching over Celtic's corpse, amongst a sea of skulls?
Scar impaling the Queen with his spear?
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Best in the whole film. I'm just saying, there are worse movies out there. Then again, I really haven't seen a movie in years I've "hated".
QuoteBest in the whole film. I'm just saying, there are worse movies out there. Then again, I really haven't seen a movie in years I've "hated".
True, but it shouldn't be rated above
AvP.
Some should, yes. AVP wasn't a great movie, fun or other wise. AVPR was a slasher and a bad one at that. Both of these films should just be forgotten, but I do like AVPR more. If I have to watch one, anyway.
Fair 'nuff.
What about Grid lifting Gill ? Great scene.
Yeah, that was actually quite brilliant. One of the real high points, since not only way it dramatically effective to have that happen, but it was well-supported by the music, and was a sort of Alien "reveal" in terms of relevance. Beforehand, we only saw an Aliens snarling at some dude.
That scene was wrecked by the f**ktardedly long tail. Very, very lazy filmmaking.
I must say, I loved it. Long tail and all. It was one of the best scenes I've seen in a movie. Anderson realised the importance of the first coming together of the two species on film. And yeah, the music was epic. This always reminds me of it...
QuoteAnderson realised the importance of the first coming together of the two species on film.
Pity he put so little practical thought into it rather than paying it simple lip service.
Much like the rest of the film.
Tru dat.
Still, some good moments IMO.
Sadly not enough to make repeated viewings bearable.
I just realized that the first time the two creatures were ever seen together on film, an Alien was killing a Predator. How fitting.
I'm seriously as giddy as a schoolgirl.
It was Gill.......I could kill Gill with my thumb.
...and then it was followed moments later by ANOTHER ::)
Quote from: Drago-Morph on May 11, 2010, 01:14:34 AM
I just realized that the first time the two creatures were ever seen together on film, an Alien was killing a Predator. How fitting.
I'm seriously as giddy as a schoolgirl.
I blame Anderson.
Quote from: The Demon on May 11, 2010, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on May 11, 2010, 01:14:34 AM
I just realized that the first time the two creatures were ever seen together on film, an Alien was killing a Predator. How fitting.
I'm seriously as giddy as a schoolgirl.
I blame Anderson.
Blame? I praise him.
just watched the behind the scenes footage on AvP again and it basically reminded me why i disliked paul anderson in the first place, him saying he is the 1# hardcore fan is BS.
I dunno.
His movie had its flaws, but the dramatic depictions we got of each creature were nice.
Yeah, hes kind of a ham-fisted director, but his intentions werent too bad. Some great moments in the movie dont get realised by the "snobs" in this place.
Quote"snobs"
Look who's talking.
I'm the furthest thing from a snob, sir!
he has mediocre ideas that could be decent enough but he just cant make a good movie for sh_t
Quote from: Dark Passenger on May 11, 2010, 11:40:36 AM
just watched the behind the scenes footage on AvP again and it basically reminded me why i disliked paul anderson in the first place, him saying he is the 1# hardcore fan is BS.
I agree that him calling himself the #1 hardcore fan is BS. However, I do think Anderson put more though and care into his film with aspects that paid homage to the first few of the series (read the AVP Trivia). They were homages but not so obvious (well most of them).
The Strause brothers I think just looked at the previous films and just took aspects of the each race, randomly inserted them without any real logic.
^ This ^
And I like Requiem. :o
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 10, 2010, 10:25:15 PM
What about Grid lifting Gill ? Great scene.
Hell yeah.
And the Queen awakening from the freeze status she was in before.
Or all the Predator Ship shots. Those were epic.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 11, 2010, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 10, 2010, 10:25:15 PM
What about Grid lifting Gill ? Great scene.
Hell yeah.
And the Queen awakening from the freeze status she was in before.
Or all the Predator Ship shots. Those were epic.
The queen awakening is the only scene that didn't make me gag, the others might were just to weird for my taste, How did Grid get such a long tail? I would have understood it if he chestbusted from Mr. fantastic ( Fantastic 4), and the Pred ship...it was too clean and shiny, it didn't feel like a predator ship at all.
Maybe that's were the bros got the cleaner idea, someone must have spent alot of time cleaning those ships, makeing them all clean and shiny...
I loved how the Pred ship flew overhead unnoticed. And Celtics reaction to Gills death. Epic.
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Quote from: Dark Passenger on May 11, 2010, 11:40:36 AM
just watched the behind the scenes footage on AvP again and it basically reminded me why i disliked paul anderson in the first place, him saying he is the 1# hardcore fan is BS.
I agree that him calling himself the #1 hardcore fan is BS. However, I do think Anderson put more though and care into his film with aspects that paid homage to the first few of the series (read the AVP Trivia). They were homages but not so obvious (well most of them).
The Strause brothers I think just looked at the previous films and just took aspects of the each race, randomly inserted them without any real logic.
I agree Anderson put in more thought and effort, but at the end of the day, his film was still boring. Requiem didn't make much sense but it entertained me and that's what's important for me.
AvPR is a gore fest for gore lovers. Less entertaining than that film? Other senseless Slasher films. Or Asylum.
Gotta love gore ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 11, 2010, 04:35:24 PM
AvPR is a gore fest for gore lovers. Less entertaining than that film? Other senseless Slasher films. Or Asylum.
At least the Brothers weren't afraid to get nasty. Anderson decided to play it safe and give his film a PG-13 rating.
Fox forced a Pg-13 Rating.
Look at Event Horizon. Anderson isn't certainly afraid of Violence.
And Violence doesn't make a movie better. Hell, handle it in a good way and it's standable.
Which is exactly what AvPR did not do.
I'm with DoomRulz. Anyone who knows Andersons work (Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil ) knows he loves to make a film pg13. He even stated in an interview during Resi, "I prefer making movies for Teenagers. I think I'm pretty good at it. I know what they want". Or something to that effect.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 11, 2010, 05:01:08 PM
I'm with DoomRulz. Anyone who knows Andersons work (Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil ) knows he loves to make a film pg13. He even stated in an interview during Resi, "I prefer making movies for Teenagers. I think I'm pretty good at it. I know what they want". Or something to that effect.
He is right most teens love avp
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 11, 2010, 05:01:08 PM
I'm with DoomRulz. Anyone who knows Andersons work (Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil ) knows he loves to make a film pg13.
Resident Evil is Rated R, pal.
And so is
Event Horizon.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 11, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 11, 2010, 05:01:08 PM
I'm with DoomRulz. Anyone who knows Andersons work (Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil ) knows he loves to make a film pg13.
Resident Evil is Rated R, pal.
And so is Event Horizon.
Didnt know that. I've seen Resi with a 12 rating before. Thats what we use here.
Rated 15 by the BBFC. And Event Horizon got an 18.
Imdb reports Resident Evil to be Rated R for strong sci-fi/horror violence, language and sexuality/nudity.
Clicky (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120804/).
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 11, 2010, 05:08:13 PM
Rated 15 by the BBFC. And Event Horizon got an 18.
I 'aint Brittish. :-X
And I said I "saw it". It was probably one of the lesser cinemas ratings, to attract a larger audience base.
QuoteI 'aint Brittish.
I never would have guessed. :P
I still have serious problems finding any kind of logic in a though which basically says
AvPR > AvP--->Moar Gore.
???
I have problems finding logic in your post Zilla.
If it's not logical by your sight, see this: I have serious problems understanding how AvPR is better than AvP because it's R Rated and has more blood onscreen put into it. Is there some kind of Joy or excitement about seeing blood onscreen? Something else? ???
Well I actually have to agree with James Cameron on this gore makes you feel disgust rather than scared.
Cameron may have an Ego as big as Godzilla as some people say, but his opinions are 80% hella true.
Gore is like nudity. Sometimes the less you see, the more effective it is. Sometimes though, you just wanna pig out.
Yer ;) depends on the genre
he means have loads of gore in one film.
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on May 11, 2010, 05:35:15 PM
he means have loads of gore in one film.
Okey dokey...
So, sometimes one just wants to "pig out".... but why?
"Pig out" can mean....like when you dont care what you eat. You just eat a full tub of ice cream because you want to take your mind off things. Watching a gorey, sex filled orgy of a film can have the same effect.
Overly gory, excessively violent films often 9not always0 tend to be of the braindead variety. No plots, no character progression, no emotion, no feeling, just straight into the gore for gores sake. torture porn as alot of it gets labelled. Hostel is a good example. It bored the tits off me because the gore was the focus of the film. the film itself is the excuse for the gory shenanigans. The first Saw film however had a clever plot, great acting, awesome twists and turns. any gore was a part of the story and not the main focus. that kind of switched as the sequels went on but its a good example of the difference.
Unfortunately i think AVPR is of the hostel variety, as in, lets put as much gore in as possible and then think of an excuse to put it there. The predalien and pregnant women thing proves there was no thought into it because it disregards everything the previous 5 films had shown us about the alien. They wanted a gory, shocking scene, and then thought up a shitty excuse to include it.
I must say, gorey would not be a word to describe Requiem for me. I find Resurrection to be a little closer the mark.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 11, 2010, 04:48:15 PM
Fox forced a Pg-13 Rating.
Look at Event Horizon. Anderson isn't certainly afraid of Violence.
And Violence doesn't make a movie better. Hell, handle it in a good way and it's standable.
Which is exactly what AvPR did not do.
What forced? They sure as shit didn't make the Brothers give their film a PG-13 rating, so I don't buy that.
AvPR was made "R" because a lot of people bitched about AvP being too kiddie-friendly.
So instead of a completely sterile movie we got a gorefest.
Both suck.
I just plain disagree. Requiem is underrated and recieves highly undedserved hatred. Also Wolf.
AvP is on the other hand a very well shot, and easilly watchable movie. Perhaps too easy.
Whenever I see a movie with the word "versus" in the title, I do not expect anything beyond gratuitous violence and titular character on titular character action. Ergo, AVPR met my expectations.
Quote from: Puks on May 11, 2010, 07:09:15 PM
AvPR was made "R" because a lot of people bitched about AvP being too kiddie-friendly.
So instead of a completely sterile movie we got a gorefest.
Both suck.
There's some sort of broken aesop here about complaining and getting what you want.
What?
Some kind of Aesop fable.
Fox gives us PG-13 movie.
'Waah, we want R'
Fox gives us R. Whether we like it or not.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 11, 2010, 06:49:07 PM
I must say, gorey would not be a word to describe Requiem for me. I find Resurrection to be a little closer the mark.
Resurrection doesn't have half as much gore as AvPR.
QuoteRequiem is underrated and recieves highly undedserved hatred.
It's just a shit movie. Poorly acted, poorly written, poorly directed. It deserves everything it gets.
I knew I should'nt have made you a nominee. >:(
Bad editing, too! Don't forget the editing. Ugh! And those transitions, or lack thereof. It was so bad, my brother and I were laughing our heads off!
its not just the editing. everything about the film is cheap, nasty and looks awful on screen. from the actors, to the locations, lighting, editing, story progression, action etc etc. its like a shitty straight to dvd movie that made it onto the bigscreen somehow. Its just flat out terrible
I know, but SiL had already mentioned all of that, but forgot the editing. There is some entertainment value to be had in this film; it's so bad, you can't help but laugh!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 11, 2010, 10:20:50 PM
I know, but SiL had already mentioned all of that, but forgot the editing. There is some entertainment value to be had in this film; it's so bad, you can't help but laugh!
"Are you guys...high?"*BLAM*
Heads get blown off! :D
Quote from: SiL on May 11, 2010, 10:08:22 PM
It's just a shit movie. Poorly acted, poorly written, poorly directed. It deserves everything it gets.
Thisthisthis.
QuoteThere is some entertainment value to be had in this film; it's so bad, you can't help but laugh!
Eye strain induced headache ain't nothing to laugh about. >:(
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 11, 2010, 07:54:48 PM
Requiem is underrated and recieves highly undedserved hatred.
pffft haha
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on May 11, 2010, 08:34:38 PM
There's some sort of broken aesop here about complaining and getting what you want.
Haven't seen you around in a while.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2010, 04:31:09 PM
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Quote from: Dark Passenger on May 11, 2010, 11:40:36 AM
just watched the behind the scenes footage on AvP again and it basically reminded me why i disliked paul anderson in the first place, him saying he is the 1# hardcore fan is BS.
I agree that him calling himself the #1 hardcore fan is BS. However, I do think Anderson put more though and care into his film with aspects that paid homage to the first few of the series (read the AVP Trivia). They were homages but not so obvious (well most of them).
The Strause brothers I think just looked at the previous films and just took aspects of the each race, randomly inserted them without any real logic.
I agree Anderson put in more thought and effort, but at the end of the day, his film was still boring. Requiem didn't make much sense but it entertained me and that's what's important for me.
Actually, the more footage I find out was cut from AVP the more I think it would've been better with it included. Up until Lex joins Scar, everything makes sense for the most part. Its after that it seems to just hit the fan.
Requiem, while most of it was entertaining, I felt the movie was overall too dark (double meaning) and killed continuum. Plus a think a few scenes were just a bit over the top or just wasted spots. hell, 90% of the movie were wasted spots.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2010, 07:04:18 PM
What forced? They sure as shit didn't make the Brothers give their film a PG-13 rating, so I don't buy that.
AvP had a bigger budget and Fox may have feared a flop, so with a PG-13 the audience is extended on the young side.
AvPR had a lower budget and thus less risks to flop, so there was more "liberty" during production.
Quote from: LeighD on May 12, 2010, 10:47:35 AM
Actually, the more footage I find out was cut from AVP the more I think it would've been better with it included.
Can't agree more. The Movie is too short and we feel it at times, so extra scenes absolutely wouldn't hurt.
Quote from: LeighD on May 12, 2010, 10:47:35 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 11, 2010, 04:31:09 PM
Quote from: LeighD on May 11, 2010, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: Dark Passenger on May 11, 2010, 11:40:36 AM
just watched the behind the scenes footage on AvP again and it basically reminded me why i disliked paul anderson in the first place, him saying he is the 1# hardcore fan is BS.
I agree that him calling himself the #1 hardcore fan is BS. However, I do think Anderson put more though and care into his film with aspects that paid homage to the first few of the series (read the AVP Trivia). They were homages but not so obvious (well most of them).
The Strause brothers I think just looked at the previous films and just took aspects of the each race, randomly inserted them without any real logic.
I agree Anderson put in more thought and effort, but at the end of the day, his film was still boring. Requiem didn't make much sense but it entertained me and that's what's important for me.
Actually, the more footage I find out was cut from AVP the more I think it would've been better with it included. Up until Lex joins Scar, everything makes sense for the most part. Its after that it seems to just hit the fan.
Requiem, while most of it was entertaining, I felt the movie was overall too dark (double meaning) and killed continuum. Plus a think a few scenes were just a bit over the top or just wasted spots. hell, 90% of the movie were wasted spots.
A lot coulda/shoulda been improved especially with the Director's Cut but I never had a problem with the film's darkness levels (w/e meaning you want). AvP was one big snore fest. All I remember was a black woman and an Italian man running up and down dark corridors, followed by just a black woman running up and down the same corridors, then all of a sudden becoming a Predator's love interest.
The thing about AvPR, though, is that its fight scenes failed to deliver. AvP was certainly light on the Aliens-fighting-Predators front. And that's a pretty heavy kick to the nuts. But when the two did meet, that one fight was interesting and unpredictable. It used the environment and made both combatants seems capable and powerful. While the Predaboys were no doubt ridiculously f**king angsty over Grid get a last-second sneak kill over their deific pussybeast, the fight gave us a nicely balanced view of a hand-to-hand engagement while remaining entertaining.
And by that I mean that it was really good. If there were more fights in the first AvP film that had that level of unpredictability and suspense, we'd probably look back on it as a bit of a cult classic with acting and dialogue flaws.
AvPR, while providing even less on the characterisation, acting and plot fronts failed to be the superior action film.
Action scenes that boring and predictable must take effort to create. And I know they did. Because the Strausses were Predator fans. Let me explain that:
Predator has Arnie in it. It has a ridiculous action scene where everyone's hip-firing, one-liners are tossed around like infants in Nanking and Arnold actually tells someone to stick around after he impales them with a combat knife. This is not an issue. This, in fact, it a lot of fun, very entertaining and ends up supporting the plot.
But the Brothers wanted to make a Predator movie. They wanted to call on all those 80s action movie tropes and make something that was true to that style of film-making rather than actually think about the elements that made the Predator monster itself effective and relevant in those circumstances. This is a particularly major issue because that drags the Alien down. Borrowing more narrative and atmospheric elements from the Alien films is a much wiser choice because those films take the audience so seriously, and so invite the audience to take the film seriously.
The basic idea is that when the Brothers reference the kind of bronze-age heroism that 80s action was about, they do it through the Predator. They make Wolf a hero, like some sort of interspecies Arnold equivalent. And it doesn't work. Ironically enough, while Predator fans criticise AvP1 for making Scar a good guy, AvPR does this from the beginning, because that's the attitude that the Brothers went in with. They wanted the Predator to be the one the audience was rooting for.
And that sucks for everyone involved.
/rant end
That went on for way longer than intended.
Alex you are one of the few people who's wall-o-texts I bother to read. :D
But still, next time, could you shorten it a little? For me? Hm?
<3 to you. :D
I hope that inspires the next five voters.
Well, I already gave Alex my vote.
And here, I went for AvP.
There may be hope for you yet.
I disagree.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 12, 2010, 04:06:26 PM
The thing about AvPR, though, is that its fight scenes failed to deliver. AvP was certainly light on the Aliens-fighting-Predators front. And that's a pretty heavy kick to the nuts. But when the two did meet, that one fight was interesting and unpredictable. It used the environment and made both combatants seems capable and powerful. While the Predaboys were no doubt ridiculously f**king angsty over Grid get a last-second sneak kill over their deific pussybeast, the fight gave us a nicely balanced view of a hand-to-hand engagement while remaining entertaining.
And by that I mean that it was really good. If there were more fights in the first AvP film that had that level of unpredictability and suspense, we'd probably look back on it as a bit of a cult classic with acting and dialogue flaws.
AvPR, while providing even less on the characterisation, acting and plot fronts failed to be the superior action film.
Action scenes that boring and predictable must take effort to create. And I know they did. Because the Strausses were Predator fans. Let me explain that:
Predator has Arnie in it. It has a ridiculous action scene where everyone's hip-firing, one-liners are tossed around like infants in Nanking and Arnold actually tells someone to stick around after he impales them with a combat knife. This is not an issue. This, in fact, it a lot of fun, very entertaining and ends up supporting the plot.
But the Brothers wanted to make a Predator movie. They wanted to call on all those 80s action movie tropes and make something that was true to that style of film-making rather than actually think about the elements that made the Predator monster itself effective and relevant in those circumstances. This is a particularly major issue because that drags the Alien down. Borrowing more narrative and atmospheric elements from the Alien films is a much wiser choice because those films take the audience so seriously, and so invite the audience to take the film seriously.
The basic idea is that when the Brothers reference the kind of bronze-age heroism that 80s action was about, they do it through the Predator. They make Wolf a hero, like some sort of interspecies Arnold equivalent. And it doesn't work. Ironically enough, while Predator fans criticise AvP1 for making Scar a good guy, AvPR does this from the beginning, because that's the attitude that the Brothers went in with. They wanted the Predator to be the one the audience was rooting for.
And that sucks for everyone involved.
/rant end
That went on for way longer than intended.
I won't deny the Brothers are admitted Predator fans, but I will defend what they wanted to do with their film. I also blame the Pred-heavy focus on Davis rather than them because he's an even bigger Predator fan (hell, the man is practically a worshiper). Don't believe me? Listen to the commentary in the sewer fight scene.
Anderson himself is an-admitted Alien fan. I blame, what I perceive to be some slight Alien favouritism in AvP on him. I don't agree with the way the fight in AvP ended because it doesn't make sense to me, how Celtic couldn't realize his net wasn't going to hold the Alien forever since (I'm assuming anyway) he knows how the damn works in the first place, and that the Alien's blood is going to eventually break it.
AvP:R's fights were predictable, yes, but at least they were entertaining because there was more of them as opposed to AvP's one true fight, and one race at the end, with one or two minor squabbles in between them.
Don't even get me started on this hero bullshit. You want to talk about the Brothers making Wolf a hero? Anderson actually did make that mistake in his movie, and he did it to a much greater degree. Not only did he actually label Scar as a "handsome leading man" (WTF), he even went so far as to change the look of the creature by giving it puppy dog eyes and floppy mandibles to make it seem more lovable. He wanted to turn the Predator into a of heroic, chivalrous saviour which saves the damsel in distress. Which is pretty ironic, considering considering it's Lex who ends up saving Scar's ass on multiple occasions.
QuoteI won't deny the Brothers are admitted Predator fans, but I will defend what they wanted to do with their film. I also blame the Pred-heavy focus on Davis rather than them because he's an even bigger Predator fan (hell, the man is practically a worshiper). Don't believe me? Listen to the commentary in the sewer fight scene.
Care to summarise it? I don't have a commentary-enabled DVD.
QuoteAnderson himself is an-admitted Alien fan. I blame, what I perceive to be some slight Alien favouritism in AvP on him. I don't agree with the way the fight in AvP ended because it doesn't make sense to me, how Celtic couldn't realize his net wasn't going to hold the Alien forever since (I'm assuming anyway) he knows how the damn works in the first place, and that the Alien's blood is going to eventually break it.
That might be an instant of Alien favouritism, but there's a lot of service towards the Predators as well. Scar killing half a dozen with the plasma caster in less than a minute, for instance. Or the three Predator holding their own (for a while) against thousands upon thousands of Aliens. Scar not getting covered in acid after slicing an Alien's face off. The very fact that the plot assumes that Predators can effectively contain Aliens for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
QuoteAvP:R's fights were predictable, yes, but at least they were entertaining because there was more of them as opposed to AvP's one true fight, and one race at the end, with one or two minor squabbles in between them.
Having more of nothing just means you have more nothing. I can see how, even if the fight scenes were bad, a constant supply of them could string along a movie. But AvPR's fights were so astronomically free of actual content that they're even more boring than the boring human interaction.
QuoteDon't even get me started on this hero bullshit. You want to talk about the Brothers making Wolf a hero? Anderson actually did make that mistake in his movie, and he did it to a much greater degree. Not only did he actually label Scar as a "handsome leading man" (WTF), he even went so far as to change the look of the creature by giving it puppy dog eyes and floppy mandibles to make it seem more lovable. He wanted to turn the Predator into a of heroic, chivalrous saviour which saves the damsel in distress. Which is pretty ironic, considering considering it's Lex who ends up saving Scar's ass on multiple occasions.
The visual issues weren't fixed by Wolf, though. And Pussyface already had silly eyes.
Scar was actually threatening for a long time, though. He was not on the human side. He even killed Weyland, who was the one interesting character. If he killed an old, partially-crippled businessman, what's to stop him from killing a young, able woman who's stolen his most powerful weapon? Absolutely nothing. At all. And that's why we're sorta wondering, when Scar tracks down Lex, what's going to happen. And she's on the verge of tears, pleading for life, trying to give him back his plasma caster.
And he's just staring her the f**k down. Like a badass.
A lot of the team-up stuff that happened soon afterwards was dumb, sure. An Alien dying of localised impalement? Dumb, and another thing to chalk up in favour of the Predators, in fact. Running like motherf**king Baywatch? Puh-lease. Staring into one-another's eyes romantically after a narrow escape? Cringe-worthy.
But all the same, Scar had established himself at this point. He didn't just shoot down Aliens; he beat them at their own game. He killed a character that was genuinely cool. He antagonised the other characters. He was like Riddick in
Pitch Black -- the vastly more combat-effective superwarrior who could end their alliance with you at any second and wouldn't think twice about it.
Wolf never had a reason to kill humans and when he did, it was entirely arbitrary. Not to mention that the context of the film sets him up as the Arnator (Predanegger?).
Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherf**kin' walls-o-text on this motherf**kin' forum!
(Yeah, I know the movie sucks.. what was L. Jackson thinking?)
Probably something along the lines of:
"This is so much f**king fun".
I haven't seen the film, but a movie with a title like that has to be made for the hell of it.
Go get 'em, Alex! I love you! I'm your biggest fan! You're my hero! Woo!
Quote from: Puks on May 12, 2010, 04:53:12 PM
Enough is enough! I've had it with these motherf**kin' walls-o-text on this motherf**kin' forum!
(Yeah, I know the movie sucks.. what was L. Jackson thinking?)
Snakes on a Plane is epic cheesy fun. :D
Alex is probably the best poster here, and I love him but, he, like SiL and the others, need to ease of the Xeno fanboy side of things. Maybe you all dont realise youre doin it, but its constant, "Xenos are the greatest killers in the universe", "One Predator could never match a Xeno", "No, no, you cant use weapons".
You cant make a logical sounding arguement, then refuse to listen to the posibility of Xenos being second best fighters to a race with invisibility, plasma cannons, giant spaceships and wristbracers that can destroy city blocks.
As I saw all arguments about Xeno and pred fights are mostly a one on one battle, not as a race. I doubt a pred would go against a xeno with a battle ship...
And preds weapons can be thrown out the window, when they don't have the possibility to use it. I like to see those two creatures mostly equal, and aliens have their advantages as well.
Why I like Alex's arguments, because meanwhile they are wrapped in almost a cultic awe for the creature, it still stands on the ground, fair and logical. One can disagree, but still the logic is there. As I see. He never said aliens stand a chance against a pred ship, at least I didn't hear it.
It doesn't mean that he's right though :P Hehehe
To be precise: MWHAHAHAHAHA
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Quote from: MadassAlex on May 12, 2010, 04:50:36 PMCare to summarise it? I don't have a commentary-enabled DVD.
Davis argues the Predalien is 2/3 Predator, 1/3 Alien and the Brothers argue it's the other way around, then they drop the subject immediately following it. That should tell you something.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 12, 2010, 04:50:36 PMThat might be an instant of Alien favouritism, but there's a lot of service towards the Predators as well. Scar killing half a dozen with the plasma caster in less than a minute, for instance. Or the three Predator holding their own (for a while) against thousands upon thousands of Aliens. Scar not getting covered in acid after slicing an Alien's face off. The very fact that the plot assumes that Predators can effectively contain Aliens for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
Ya, so much service that he teams a Predator up with a human. Whatever credit he may given them earlier was quashed with that retarded move.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 12, 2010, 04:50:36 PM
The visual issues weren't fixed by Wolf, though. And Pussyface already had silly eyes.
Scar was actually threatening for a long time, though. He was not on the human side. He even killed Weyland, who was the one interesting character. If he killed an old, partially-crippled businessman, what's to stop him from killing a young, able woman who's stolen his most powerful weapon? Absolutely nothing. At all. And that's why we're sorta wondering, when Scar tracks down Lex, what's going to happen. And she's on the verge of tears, pleading for life, trying to give him back his plasma caster.
Wondering? What was there to wonder? He had his spear drawn, extended, and pointed at her. It was pretty clear he was going to kill her and the only reason he didn't was because she gave his caster. Once he had it, he had no problem with her and went on his way until she ran after him.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 12, 2010, 04:50:36 PMBut all the same, Scar had established himself at this point. He didn't just shoot down Aliens; he beat them at their own game. He killed a character that was genuinely cool. He antagonised the other characters. He was like Riddick in Pitch Black -- the vastly more combat-effective superwarrior who could end their alliance with you at any second and wouldn't think twice about it.
Riddick was already planning on abandoning his crew at the end, which he did. The only reason he didn't was because he decided that Fry had a fighting spirit inside of her and that didn't come into realization until she jumped him. He even says "I will leave you here". He didn't have to think about it. Scar on the other hand, almost needed Lex. Had it not been for her, the Queen would have killed him and he never would've made it out of the pyramid.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 12, 2010, 04:50:36 PMWolf never had a reason to kill humans and when he did, it was entirely arbitrary. Not to mention that the context of the film sets him up as the Arnator (Predanegger?).
Never had a reason? Really? You think killing the cop was just for the sake of it? He didn't need the cop telling everyone what he saw in the forest that night.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 12, 2010, 04:50:36 PMCare to summarise it? I don't have a commentary-enabled DVD.
Davis argues the Predalien is 2/3 Predator, 1/3 Alien and the Brothers argue it's the other way around, then they drop the subject immediately following it. That should tell you something.
That can't even agree on their own creation?
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 12, 2010, 06:22:59 PM
Alex is probably the best poster here, and I love him but, he, like SiL and the others, need to ease of the Xeno fanboy side of things. Maybe you all dont realise youre doin it, but its constant, "Xenos are the greatest killers in the universe", "One Predator could never match a Xeno", "No, no, you cant use weapons".
You cant make a logical sounding arguement, then refuse to listen to the posibility of Xenos being second best fighters to a race with invisibility, plasma cannons, giant spaceships and wristbracers that can destroy city blocks.
I've never heard
anyone say what you're supposedly quoting. Ever. The Alien fans argue that Aliens are equal to the Predators, mainly because of people like you who say, and this
is a quote, "Xenos being second best".
So, no, I've yet to see an Alien fan argue that the Alien is a superior fighter (as for a superior monster, that's opinion), but I
have seen people argue that they cannot stand to a Predator, people like yourself.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 12, 2010, 04:25:59 PM
how Celtic couldn't realize his net wasn't going to hold the Alien forever since (I'm assuming anyway) he knows how the damn works in the first place, and that the Alien's blood is going to eventually break it.
Celtic looked pretty friggin' surprised when his wrist-blades melted off. I'm guessing he wasn't sure what was and what wasn't acid-proof.
I guess. Still a weak excuse.
I think that it was more a case of him underestimating the Alien. The net didn't seem to snap until the Alien decided to pounce; the acid most likely affected it, but to what extent is debatable.
Quoteone-liners are tossed around like infants in Nanking
Dude.... not cool....
Quote from: Drago-Morph on May 12, 2010, 11:14:19 PM
I think that it was more a case of him underestimating the Alien. The net didn't seem to snap until the Alien decided to pounce; the acid most likely affected it, but to what extent is debatable.
What do you mean to what extent? The net couldn't hold it because the acid was allowing it to burn through.
Grid increased pressure on the net and actively broke out of it when the time was right.
QuoteYa, so much service that he teams a Predator up with a human. Whatever credit he may given them earlier was quashed with that retarded move.
That happened in the first AvP comic, too, and that remained as Predator-friendly as ever. At least you didn't get Predator-on-Predator fighting over the fate of a human.
(Despite this, it was done better in the comic, sort of like a Wookiee life debt).
QuoteWondering? What was there to wonder? He had his spear drawn, extended, and pointed at her. It was pretty clear he was going to kill her and the only reason he didn't was because she gave his caster. Once he had it, he had no problem with her and went on his way until she ran after him.
As I mentioned, Scar killed a crippled old man for pissing him off. It set up a precedent.
QuoteRiddick was already planning on abandoning his crew at the end, which he did. The only reason he didn't was because he decided that Fry had a fighting spirit inside of her and that didn't come into realization until she jumped him. He even says "I will leave you here". He didn't have to think about it. Scar on the other hand, almost needed Lex. Had it not been for her, the Queen would have killed him and he never would've made it out of the pyramid.
Thing is, he didn't know that. Scar only needed Lex due to the circumstances that arose. She bought him time to flee against four or five Aliens, and under the rules of Anderson's Aliens (Andliens?), he would've been right f**ked anyway. And then she circumstantially brought the Queen to the context-sensitive boss-kill environment objective.
So, sure. Scar needed a human to buy him time against enemies he'd be straight-up f**ked against anyway.
QuoteNever had a reason? Really? You think killing the cop was just for the sake of it? He didn't need the cop telling everyone what he saw in the forest that night.
Usually when someone reports a big invisible man with a mask appearing, they're not taken very seriously.
Quote(Despite this, it was done better in the comic, sort of like a Wookiee life debt).
Don't you mean 'Gungan'? ;D
As for the team up - the problem is how is came about. I don't remember how it came about in the comic, but I bet Machiko did more than just get lucky when an Alien walked onto a spear then forgot it had things that were all the better to shred her with.
One of the other human characters took care of its injuries. I think it also witnessed Machiko fill an Alien with lead, too.
But yeah, it also ended up fighting one of its own comrades to protect its new human pals.
It was rather for punishing that one idividual for illegal hunting though. Comic suggests it, novel says it directly. But that teaming up was so much different. Other situation, predator and humans of a different quality.
In avp it's just lame, and pointless.
Man, that was just not communicated in the comic at all.
Is that the Predator that slaughtered that family, then? I always that that was Broken Tusk, which gave the comic another bit of OH SHIT.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
Man, that was just not communicated in the comic at all.
Is that the Predator that slaughtered that family, then? I always that that was Broken Tusk, which gave the comic another bit of OH SHIT.
That would've been awesome, but I think that was the Predator Tusk ended up fighting over Machiko.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
Man, that was just not communicated in the comic at all.
Kind'a is. Broken Tusk - who's been
strapped to a table most of the story, kind'a hard to kill the farming family in that state - sees the skull bag and what looks like the skull of a kid amongst them.
I thought the kid escaped on the hoverbike or whatever?
Hence a kid, not the kid. :P
o i c. (Said the blind man that spat into the wind).
Quote from: Drago-Morph on May 13, 2010, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
Man, that was just not communicated in the comic at all.
Is that the Predator that slaughtered that family, then? I always that that was Broken Tusk, which gave the comic another bit of OH SHIT.
That would've been awesome, but I think that was the Predator Tusk ended up fighting over Machiko.
Isn't the Predator Tusk fights his rival from near the start of the story? He beats him in the ring. I think it was hinted that they were antagonistic towards one another. Not read that comic in years...
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 09:36:00 AM
Man, that was just not communicated in the comic at all.
Is that the Predator that slaughtered that family, then? I always that that was Broken Tusk, which gave the comic another bit of OH SHIT.
It was. The leader pred tears off the sack full of skulls from the rebel one, and looks especially at them. Then a pic of only the human skulls. And the by that time dominating elder get a kick in the face, showing he was shocked. It was a correct interpretation in the novel, I think.
And seriously, how could have the family killer been broken tusk, when he was transported to Prosperity wells before the attack on the Sheldons?
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 03:41:55 AM
Grid increased pressure on the net and actively broke out of it when the time was right.
It wasn't a question of the time being right. It was the fact that the net was falling apart and Grid was able to get out when he did. Celtic just happened to plod along like a fool.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 03:41:55 AM
That happened in the first AvP comic, too, and that remained as Predator-friendly as ever. At least you didn't get Predator-on-Predator fighting over the fate of a human.
And in the comic, the circumstances were completely different. The Predator only teamed with Machiko because she legitimately saved his life. He was paying her back the favour and IIRC, he was going to kill her when all was said and done. Unlike in the film, where Scar sees a dead Alien and says "Ah well, maybe she isn't so stupid after all."
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 03:41:55 AM
Thing is, he didn't know that. Scar only needed Lex due to the circumstances that arose. She bought him time to flee against four or five Aliens, and under the rules of Anderson's Aliens (Andliens?), he would've been right f**ked anyway. And then she circumstantially brought the Queen to the context-sensitive boss-kill environment objective.
Didn't know what? That the Queen would have broken free? I'm not sure it would have made any difference because he would have still set his bomb to detonate and made a run for it, leaving poor old Lex to her own devices. I would have been happier with, instead of a team up, let them go their separate ways after Scar gets his caster, both make their way back to the surface, and then only out of sheer circumstance do they combat the Queen.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 03:41:55 AM
Usually when someone reports a big invisible man with a mask appearing, they're not taken very seriously.
It would have had other implications. Indeed they may not believe him, but the cop might stake out on his own, who knows.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 13, 2010, 03:41:55 AM
Grid increased pressure on the net and actively broke out of it when the time was right.
QuoteYa, so much service that he teams a Predator up with a human. Whatever credit he may given them earlier was quashed with that retarded move.
That happened in the first AvP comic, too, and that remained as Predator-friendly as ever. At least you didn't get Predator-on-Predator fighting over the fate of a human.
(Despite this, it was done better in the comic, sort of like a Wookiee life debt).
QuoteWondering? What was there to wonder? He had his spear drawn, extended, and pointed at her. It was pretty clear he was going to kill her and the only reason he didn't was because she gave his caster. Once he had it, he had no problem with her and went on his way until she ran after him.
As I mentioned, Scar killed a crippled old man for pissing him off. It set up a precedent.
QuoteRiddick was already planning on abandoning his crew at the end, which he did. The only reason he didn't was because he decided that Fry had a fighting spirit inside of her and that didn't come into realization until she jumped him. He even says "I will leave you here". He didn't have to think about it. Scar on the other hand, almost needed Lex. Had it not been for her, the Queen would have killed him and he never would've made it out of the pyramid.
Thing is, he didn't know that. Scar only needed Lex due to the circumstances that arose. She bought him time to flee against four or five Aliens, and under the rules of Anderson's Aliens (Andliens?), he would've been right f**ked anyway. And then she circumstantially brought the Queen to the context-sensitive boss-kill environment objective.
So, sure. Scar needed a human to buy him time against enemies he'd be straight-up f**ked against anyway.
QuoteNever had a reason? Really? You think killing the cop was just for the sake of it? He didn't need the cop telling everyone what he saw in the forest that night.
Usually when someone reports a big invisible man with a mask appearing, they're not taken very seriously.
I don't think Scar needed Lex, it was the other way around. After Scar has his cannon, he turns to leave. It isn't until Lex grabs him or gets his attention that he gives a care about her. I think at that point, he realizes she is un-armed, scared, and needs help getting out.
I've read quite of the pages in this topic... is a discussion about AvPR with Doom a sort of ritual of membership/manhood or something? It seems so.
;D
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I don't think Scar needed Lex, it was the other way around. After Scar has his cannon, he turns to leave. It isn't until Lex grabs him or gets his attention that he gives a care about her. I think at that point, he realizes she is un-armed, scared, and needs help getting out.
Well, she and her pals made the whole situation go shitty for Scar. I think (considering the ultimate lame factor of Lex) he wouldn't give a f**k about her. Preds lured humans to there to be hosts (*facepalms...avp*). You guess they ever considered the chance those guys will get out alive? I doubt that.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 14, 2010, 02:54:36 PM
I've read quite of the pages in this topic... is a discussion about AvPR with Doom a sort of ritual of membership/manhood or something? It seems so.
;D
Baptism by fire.
Quote from: LeighD on May 14, 2010, 10:41:42 AM
I don't think Scar needed Lex, it was the other way around. After Scar has his cannon, he turns to leave. It isn't until Lex grabs him or gets his attention that he gives a care about her. I think at that point, he realizes she is un-armed, scared, and needs help getting out.
Which goes against what we've seen Predators do in the past, and why it's such a dumb scene. Why would a Predator care at all about her well-being?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 14, 2010, 02:54:36 PM
I've read quite of the pages in this topic... is a discussion about AvPR with Doom a sort of ritual of membership/manhood or something? It seems so.
;D
Wise guy...
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 14, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
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I don't think Scar needed Lex, it was the other way around. After Scar has his cannon, he turns to leave. It isn't until Lex grabs him or gets his attention that he gives a care about her. I think at that point, he realizes she is un-armed, scared, and needs help getting out.
Well, she and her pals made the whole situation go shitty for Scar. I think (considering the ultimate lame factor of Lex) he wouldn't give a f**k about her. Preds lured humans to there to be hosts (*facepalms...avp*). You guess they ever considered the chance those guys will get out alive? I doubt that.
Hm, considering it, what were the chances that any humans would be lured there? The Predators were counting on that, otherwise, no hunt. And what were the chances that a whaling station would be there 100 years before? The Predator's lure them there as well? ::)
QuoteHm, considering it, what were the chances that any humans would be lured there? The Predators were counting on that, otherwise, no hunt. And what were the chances that a whaling station would be there 100 years before? The Predator's lure them there as well? ::)
What's your point? In the movie it's bluntly said why the pyramid was activating: to be ready for the hunt, and to lure the humans there. No matter how high or low chances it has, it's only a mistake in the movie, if it's not probable. But the concept stays as it is.
No, preds didn't lure the whalers. And what happened to them, can you tell me? Please...
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 14, 2010, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 14, 2010, 02:54:36 PM
I've read quite of the pages in this topic... is a discussion about AvPR with Doom a sort of ritual of membership/manhood or something? It seems so.
;D
Wise guy...
Could you borrow me one of your fingerz? I'd want to mark myself, seeing I passed successfully the ritual.... ;D
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 14, 2010, 04:48:08 PM
QuoteHm, considering it, what were the chances that any humans would be lured there? The Predators were counting on that, otherwise, no hunt. And what were the chances that a whaling station would be there 100 years before? The Predator's lure them there as well? ::)
What's your point? In the movie it's bluntly said why the pyramid was activating: to be ready for the hunt, and to lure the humans there. No matter how high or low chances it has, it's only a mistake in the movie, if it's not probable. But the concept stays as it is.
No, preds didn't lure the whalers. And what happened to them, can you tell me? Please...
I'm inviting a discussion, not making a point. I want to know, how could the Predator's have expected humans to notice the warming up pyramid (indeed, they didn't notice either the laser beam from space or the overhead predator ship)? The whaling station is a coincidence that can be swallowed, but apparently the Predator's have been visiting every 100 years. If they descend into the pyramid and no humans have shown up, then what?
Oh, I see. Sorry, i mistaken your words as a try to making points, which as I see aren't valid. Sorry.
I think preds could easily expect humans to find out about the pyramid. The heat signature it emitted could be easily percieved by satellites (and a lot of them were cruising above antarctica, according to Weyland's anxiety). Predators, with their ship and advanced technology (whic enables them to, for instance, create a rough 3d image about a building 600 feet under the ice -was it 600 btw o_O?-) could easily analyse what those satellites were capable of. Also they knew about the curiosity of mankind, since they have been taught them (*facepalms*). So, all thay needed is to estimate the time when the next satellite observes Bouvetoya island 8and which is approximately near to october the 10th). I thought like that, when it was said in the movie, humans are needed, and were lured here. Which by the way, even though it can be explained is totaly BS.
No humans= no hunt, as made clear in that movie (whixh is again isn't right). So there can be no case of they go there and no humans. The opposite, they go there, because there are humans. It's not a coincidence with the whaling station I think. the coincidence is, that in 100 years humand developed technology to crate satellites. Without that, no trap.
And there are more pyramids on other planets also, as I guessed. So if Earth is not okay, then another one will do.
Actually, the 100-year thing is fairly stupid; what's making it 100 years? Do Predator years just so happen to line up with terrestrial ones?
In this case I think it doesn't matter (though stupid indeed). I guess the whole aztec metric calendar was based on when the preds arrive. So it's rather terrestrial calendar lining up with predators'. Or hell, dunno. It's stupid as it is. Damn avp to hell.
No, AvP isn't that bad. That film, on the other hand...
Avp-r has no value as a movie. It won't make the otherwise bad avp good for me. Both suck and are failure to me.
Not really. It's a mediocre film that we had high expectations of. But it's no more offensive than that.
QuoteNot really. It's a mediocre film that we had high expectations of. But it's no more offensive than that.
Couldn't have said it better. The film was okay... not good at all but also not a failure...
I think the same way you do: all fans just had too high expectations.
As for AVP:R... well it was the epic failure that no one should ever have to see without knowing anything about the Alien or Predator Franchise... otherwise you will get a totally wrong idea and think the franchise is as bad as that movie... unfortunately some people I know only watched AVP:R and now swore an oath to never watch any Alien or Predator movie... that tells it for me...
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 15, 2010, 07:35:19 AM
Not really. It's a mediocre film that we had high expectations of. But it's no more offensive than that.
I disagree. To me, it was as much fail as Requiem was. Both films had the same problems, while still possessing something the other film lacked. But as I've mentioned countless times before, AvP bored me to tears while Requiem was at least able to keep me awake.
Well this is the proof that people react to the same movie totally differently...
I didn't like AVP... but could manage to stay seated...
With AVP:R ... man... that was really challenging me to get out of the cinema... those actors... aiaiaiai... "actors"... can we even call them that?
I mean Sanaa Lathan and Lance Henriksen are at least okay as actors... Lance actually was pretty good...
But come on... acting skills in AVP:R? None, because there were no actors on the set... :D
Okay, I just watched both and AvP is definately a better movie IMO.
Requiem is a little on the dark side and the teen characters are intollerable.
The cheesey lines and hammy acting of AvP let it down though. Thats not to say Requiems acting was better.
Yey but wolf does look cool.
QuoteYey but wolf does look cool.
That's the only good part of the movie... that and him kicking some alien ass even if you don't actually see anything... although there are some people in here who honestly want to make us believe that they could "see" what was going on in AVP:R... must be some owl-mutants :D
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 16, 2010, 01:07:38 PM
must be some owl-mutants :D
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Damn, TJ beat me to it. :D :D :D
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 16, 2010, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 16, 2010, 01:07:38 PM
must be some owl-mutants :D
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/RyuNacho/ngbbs4385bb88bf1ca.jpg
OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?
Owl-Mutant? I dunno. :D
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 16, 2010, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 16, 2010, 01:07:38 PM
must be some owl-mutants :D
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a125/RyuNacho/ngbbs4385bb88bf1ca.jpg
Haha :D Genious! That's how I imagine them XD
Wolf looked okay, but I know believe more than ever, that he kicks ass.
He handles Aliens like pimps handle hos.
He looked okay?
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I meant with his mask on. :P
Fine Enough. It's P2-ish so me likes. :P
They look utmost cool without their masks :P
Wolf's head is exclusive. At least his body and all is good. Scar look worse without mask, and his body is bad too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 04:47:38 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 16, 2010, 04:42:29 PM
I meant with his mask on. :P
Which Predator doesn't?
Anytime, Pussyface,
Spoiler
Beebop, Rocksteady and Shredder.
Scar was loads better than Wolf.
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Are you kidding me? I'll take the misplaced, extra tusks over the warm and fuzzy eyes and/or floppy mandibles any day of the week.
'T least Scar didn't feel like the almighty Octopus Man.
Fuzzy Eyes on Predators are here since 1990. And Wolf hasn't any better eyes.
Fuzzy, as in warm and inviting. Why do you think Anderson called Scar "the handsome leading man"?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 04:54:44 PM
Are you kidding me? I'll take the misplaced, extra tusks over the warm and fuzzy eyes and/or floppy mandibles any day of the week.
I agree, Scar looked like something from Barney the Dinosaur.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
Fuzzy, as in warm and inviting. Why do you think Anderson called Scar "the handsome leading man"?
Where is this statement shown? I have the 2-disc edition of AvP, and didn't hear anything like this. Was it an interview or what?
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 16, 2010, 05:02:31 PM
Scar looked like something from Barney the Dinosaur.
...While Wolf looked like something from our deepest oceans.
Wolf's eyes and dreds were better. The dead Scar, with fake dreads looks octopus as well. Only with an uglier face an blown up body. Failure.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 16, 2010, 05:03:27 PM
...While Wolf looked like something from our deepest oceans.
And which is cooler ?
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I
so need to do another Wolfctopus picture now... :D
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 16, 2010, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 16, 2010, 05:03:27 PM
...While Wolf looked like something from our deepest oceans.
And which is cooler ?
Unfortunately, even if my statement was inspiring,
sorta, Wolf is the worst of the two.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 16, 2010, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
Fuzzy, as in warm and inviting. Why do you think Anderson called Scar "the handsome leading man"?
Where is this statement shown? I have the 2-disc edition of AvP, and didn't hear anything like this. Was it an interview or what?
Reply #25.
But wolf with his mask on is beast :)
If it wasnt for his buck-teeth, Wolf would be fine by me. :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 16, 2010, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
Fuzzy, as in warm and inviting. Why do you think Anderson called Scar "the handsome leading man"?
Where is this statement shown? I have the 2-disc edition of AvP, and didn't hear anything like this. Was it an interview or what?
Reply #25.
Of this thread or what?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 16, 2010, 04:53:18 PM
Scar was loads better than Wolf.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2i7ba5h.jpg
Scar does look good in
that screenshot, but not in much else. Wolf is definitely worse though.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 16, 2010, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 16, 2010, 05:03:27 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
Fuzzy, as in warm and inviting. Why do you think Anderson called Scar "the handsome leading man"?
Where is this statement shown? I have the 2-disc edition of AvP, and didn't hear anything like this. Was it an interview or what?
Reply #25.
Of this thread or what?
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=2349.15
Bah, sorry dude. There's the article.
Handsome is an adjective used by the ADI guys. The entire article is an impression of the ADI guys.
They take direction from the director.
Yes, but the Word Handsome came from their mouths, not Anderson's.
What's the difference? He's telling them how to interpret the monster.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
Why do you think Anderson called Scar "the handsome leading man"?
That is the difference. We haven't got proofs regarding Anderson
ever saying that.
Isn't that in the post that Doom just linked?
Didn't read it completely though so I can't say... after heroic and so on I stopped reading... gave me stomachache...
That page has a scan in which ADI guys talk. Not Anderson. "Handsome" is their word.
But they're taking direction from him. Based on what he's telling them, they are going to work in a certain way. So if he isn't telling them handsome, that's how he wants them to think.
iit's a hard choise, they're both terrible, but AVP is barely better, alittle bit better script diere ting and i kinda liked Celtic's desgin. while AVPR is just below it.
ONE VOTE!!! :o
But there's still a chance that the dark side of the force can be defeated :D
One more! Come on you lousy sons of bitches, just one more stinkin' vote!
It doesn't really matter, in the end it is the individual decision.
How dare you apply your reason.
I don't get it, do you guys just want the Brothers to just throw their arms up and admit defeat to something? All this hate is rather amusing to read about.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 25, 2010, 04:42:32 AM
I don't get it, do you guys just want the Brothers to just throw their arms up and admit defeat to something? All this hate is rather amusing to read about.
I want to give them a (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi186.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fx135%2Fsymbiote24%2FDutchSmileydfgd.gif&hash=a6863f5ff4129483d091304b13e8e0debfc8abfa) face.
336 to 336
Hey OmegaZilla, it finally happened!! Where are you? One must enjoy this very moment! :D
Finally I can believe in justice again ;D
Quote from: XenoVC on May 25, 2010, 05:50:57 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 25, 2010, 04:42:32 AM
I don't get it, do you guys just want the Brothers to just throw their arms up and admit defeat to something? All this hate is rather amusing to read about.
I want to give them a http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x135/symbiote24/DutchSmileydfgd.gif face.
I simply want them to use actual actors in their next film, or that at least those ungifted actors play characters that I actually care about... oh yeah and a storyline that is original might also be of some help to the Strauses.
Holy shit! For the first time in history, it's a tie! :o
Great Scott! Won't be long now.
PAIR!!!!! :o
It's a great moment for us all!!
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 25, 2010, 04:42:32 AM
I don't get it, do you guys just want the Brothers to just throw their arms up and admit defeat to something? All this hate is rather amusing to read about.
Of course that's what I want! On a more serious note, I don't really care that much. I'm just having a little fun.
Someone took back their vote and gave it to AvPR. :(
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 25, 2010, 03:14:03 PM
Someone took back their vote and gave it to AvPR. :(
This makes me sad.
Dicks.
There just fueling the fire :(
sorry lads. couldnt resist for a bit of the shits n giggles. :D. Not to worry, all is well again.
Yey pure bliss :)
Quote from: Keg on May 25, 2010, 03:59:35 PM
sorry lads. couldnt resist for a bit of the shits n giggles. :D. Not to worry, all is well again.
Ugh... my piss boils! :D
And now...we're even!
At least until I can resist to repeat keg's joke :D :D :D
Quote from: 08yeyinde on May 25, 2010, 09:47:05 PM
At least until I can resist to repeat keg's joke :D :D :D
please no
we should all change our votes to AVPR and then wait while AVP inevitably catches up like once again, and then bam, we change back and gain a cheeky sudden gap after luring them into a false sense of security :o
BREAKING NEWS!
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AVPG HISTORY
AVP FINALLY WON OVER AVPR IN THE FAMOUS VS POLL!
WE SHALL PASS WORD TO OMEGA NOW
OMEGA, HOW'S THAT THERE?
Omega: thanks Jeff!
We are reporting live.... this is a great moment for us all! People are setting fireworks on! Tons of Champagne and Cannonau Wine for all!
AvPG will never be the same!
Thanks Omega, and now for the Weather...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 26, 2010, 11:27:55 AM
BREAKING NEWS!
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AVPG HISTORY
AVP FINALLY WON OVER AVPR IN THE FAMOUS VS POLL!
WE SHALL PASS WORD TO OMEGA NOW
OMEGA, HOW'S THAT THERE?
Omega: thanks Jeff!
We are reporting live.... this is a great moment for us all! People are setting fireworks on! Tons of Champagne and Cannonau Wine for all!
AvPG will never be the same!
Thanks Omega, and now for the Weather...
look at it now >:) (evil grin)
This ain't funny, guys. Drop it. Or else.
Quote from: Basher917 on May 26, 2010, 11:46:45 AM
look at it now >:) (evil grin)
You shall not post! *Hits Basher with a Rod*
I like this thread. It's exciting.
Egg- siting, you mean ;D ;D
Awww, AvP-r (may it be cursed for eternity) is once again better :( Why? I Had such good day... till now. Where are fresh and smart AvP fans that haven`t voted yet. It`s shame that in bigest A/P comunity in the net the crappiest film is winning with almost the crappiest one >:(!!!
OH NO AVPR IS WINNING AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Puks on May 26, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig
I think this is more appropriate for my side now ;D
^ QFT...Brother.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on May 26, 2010, 07:47:20 PM
Quote from: Puks on May 26, 2010, 11:40:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig
I think this is more appropriate for my side now ;D
Not anymore. We're taking it back!
OMG ITS HAPPENED. IT's actually happened I am so happy.
Yeeeeeeeeeeah!!! That`s how the things ought to be! [Opens Champagne]
never knew 0.1 percent could make so many people happy,
*wipes a tear away*
It... it's beautiful.
Quote from: Puks on May 26, 2010, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 26, 2010, 02:20:33 PM
I like this thread. It's exciting.
Scotty, right?
Yep.
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 26, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
*wipes a tear away*
It... it's beautiful.
I once saw a double rainbow in my home city. It was so beautiful, cresting elegantly over the houses and rooftops below. This kicks that's ass!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJhf4zK_RKA
Thats for you TJ. A nice 80's victory song.
Special AvP Public Announcement: At this moment AvP is actually better received than [...censored...] for whole two percents! I repeat, AvP is better for two percents!
Quote from: Keg on May 26, 2010, 09:33:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJhf4zK_RKA
Thats for you TJ. A nice 80's victory song.
Yay! But oh man, those shoulder pads. :D
Oh no! It's a tie again! Angry! >:(
Someone's f**king with us. AvP lost a vote while that film gained one. :D
Such dickery!
Damn him! Damn him to the fiery depths of hell!
:P
It was you!
My sarcasm detector exploded when you made that post.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 26, 2010, 09:53:32 PM
My sarcasm detector exploded when you made that post.
Bullsh*t! You're sarcasm detector exploded because it ran out of jokes.
Star running....
Huh?
Oh, I was the schmuck who voted for AVP which made it 337/335.
What happended to my vote? :'(
Can this thread get locked?
This right here is f**king retarded, it really is.
Quote from: SiL on May 26, 2010, 10:07:28 PM
Can this thread get locked?
This right here is f**king retarded, it really is.
I second that.
But I haven't had enough time to vote yet!!!
Damnit SM, it's been two and a half years! How much more time do you need?
Gimme a break. I'm working up to it.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 27, 2010, 12:12:31 AM
Damnit SM, it's been two and a half years! How much more time do you need?
Well considering it took him what, 3 years before he saw AvP:R...
I haven't seen it yet.
Maybe about half. And of that maybe about half again.
Jesus christ, the poll is 50/50 has the entire thread been just people posting bullshit and voting accordingly in order to make the films votes 50/50?
Did I miss a memo or isn't every thread about posting bullshit...?
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Quote from: SM on May 27, 2010, 02:31:12 AM
Did I miss a memo or isn't every thread about posting bullshit...?
Most of them.
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2010, 02:31:12 AM
Did I miss a memo or isn't every thread about posting bullshit...?
Depends. Did you see the new TPS reports yet?
Toilet Paper Softness?
I was thinking Total Piece of Shit.
Oh right, the OTHER TPS reports.
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2010, 02:34:14 AM
Toilet Paper Softness?
Haha, funny!
Quote from: Puks on May 27, 2010, 02:32:12 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/376204528_5f1e15d57e.jpg
Nice picture ;)
Quote from: Puks on May 27, 2010, 02:32:12 AM
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Observe the evolution of the lolcat.
Quote from: Puks on May 27, 2010, 02:32:12 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/376204528_5f1e15d57e.jpg
told you all that he would rule the day
AvP:R is catching AvP !
Its gettin' chilly in hell, right about now.
Yes, finally! 337 - 336! AvP:R just got...
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Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on May 28, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Yes, finally! 337 - 336! AvP:R just got...
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/26430/original/BabyOwnedAlien.jpg
Thats actually a screenshot of a deleted scene that the Strauss Brothers wanted in AVPR.
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 26, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
*wipes a tear away*
It... it's beautiful.
*sniff*
I second that. :'( :D
Quote from: Keg on May 28, 2010, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on May 28, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Yes, finally! 337 - 336! AvP:R just got...
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/26430/original/BabyOwnedAlien.jpg
Thats actually a screenshot of a deleted scene that the Strauss Brothers wanted in AVPR.
:o
Quote from: Keg on May 28, 2010, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on May 28, 2010, 07:08:07 PM
Yes, finally! 337 - 336! AvP:R just got...
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/26430/original/BabyOwnedAlien.jpg
Thats actually a screenshot of a deleted scene that the Strauss Brothers wanted in AVPR.
I f**king knew it! They love that baby killer shite.
Too bad one more pregnant woman didn't die.
Mother Strause you mean?
:D nicely played.
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2010, 01:13:42 AM
Mother Strause you mean?
Oooh, thats a dirty little dig.
Cruel, but fair.
Quote from: SM on May 31, 2010, 01:13:42 AM
Mother Strause you mean?
boom, stick that in your pipe. haha love it.
AVP. Both are terrible, but at least the first 30 minutes of AVP are decent (sans some dialogue lines)
The opening shot is great. The buildup is fine. The sets, cinematography and the special FX are great. And also the setting and basic idea - the story of small group stranded on unfriendly and hostile Antarctica in a mysterious abandoned pyramid
The movie goes downhill once the predators arrive. It turns into a cartoon from then on
AVP looks nice, big budget and professional. The sets, special effects and cinematography are quite nice. Im not big on that obvious and fake sounding looping, but thats alright. The movie isnt serious by any stretch, its what I would call an adventure movie for young adults, and something that adult scifi fans may find watchable with a popcorn and coke handy.
Of course, thats not what an alien movie should be, but as a standalone its fine. Well, the first 30-40 minutes are. And yes, it is much better than Resurrection
As for the joke called AVP:R....
What's interesting is that just like McG did with the terminator Salvation, the Strauss Bros promised to correct the supposed mistakes of the previous movie and make a "real" AVP movie. Hence the R rating and the comic book logos to appeal to the fanboys from the get-go. This is actually where the R came from in the title. Its now an R rated AVP, so AVP:R. They couldve come up with a better word starting on R than Requiem though.
The entire movie should be Fox's biggest embarrassment ever. To be honest, I cant believe they greenlit the movie after seeing the finished product. Perhaps they thought the internet geeks will love it for the gore and video game-ish action alone. They sure completely dropped the ball on logic , story and characters there. Who is even the main character? The sheriff? The pizza kid? his brother? Some mess I tell ya
Im not gonna comment on any specific elements of the story because it has way too many plotholes. But the one thing everyone including myself hates is the PredAlien. Gosh, not only this thing didnt make a damn sense logic wise and single handedly erased all the real life based logic and realness of the franchise, but it also looked absolutely ridiculous.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 01, 2010, 04:31:49 AM
AVP.
The movie goes downhill once the predators arrive.
Of course, thats not what an alien movie should be,
I think I get it now.
Nothing against Predators. The movie started turning into a cartoon once they arrive. Theyre shown as those big (BIIIG) bad football players, the cockorach Resurrection aliens appear, the dialogue is unbearable just everything goes down the crapper and turns into Mortal Kombat
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 01, 2010, 04:44:02 AM
Nothing against Predators. The movie started turning into a cartoon once they arrive. Theyre shown as those big (BIIIG) bad football players, the cockorach Resurrection aliens appear, the dialogue is unbearable just everything goes down the crapper and turns into Mortal Kombat
Nothing is quite as bad as Annihilation.
I enjoyed the first one more mainly because I liked the interaction between Scar and Lex. Yeah, I said it. Wanna fight about it? Lol.
However, the second one brought us the badass that is Wolf. :D
Youre alright LarJar. Sept that Annihilation quip. >:(
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 01, 2010, 04:40:59 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 01, 2010, 04:31:49 AM
AVP.
The movie goes downhill once the predators arrive.
Of course, thats not what an alien movie should be,
I think I get it now.
I doubt it, considering you quoted him completely out of context, ignoring everything he said. I'm not even sure you read it; he said that there was a point in the movie when things went downhill, and then gave reasons as to why it became cartoonish from then on. His point had nothing to do with the act of the Predators showing up. He was initiating a point that the film became less serious, and that is not what an Alien movie (a good, serious, frightening, and enjoyable film) should be. The same goes for a Predator film.
Perhaps you shouldn't spew random nonsense.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 01, 2010, 08:50:02 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 01, 2010, 04:40:59 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 01, 2010, 04:31:49 AM
AVP.
The movie goes downhill once the predators arrive.
Of course, thats not what an alien movie should be,
I think I get it now.
I doubt it, considering you quoted him completely out of context, ignoring everything he said. I'm not even sure you read it; he said that there was a point in the movie when things went downhill, and then gave reasons as to why it became cartoonish from then on. His point had nothing to do with the act of the Predators showing up. He was initiating a point that the film became less serious, and that is not what an Alien movie (a good, serious, frightening, and enjoyable film) should be. The same goes for a Predator film.
That was exactly my point. Thank you
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 01, 2010, 04:31:49 AM
AVP. Both are terrible, but at least the first 30 minutes of AVP are decent (sans some dialogue lines)
The opening shot is great. The buildup is fine. The sets, cinematography and the special FX are great. And also the setting and basic idea - the story of small group stranded on unfriendly and hostile Antarctica in a mysterious abandoned pyramid
The movie goes downhill once the predators arrive. It turns into a cartoon from then on
AVP looks nice, big budget and professional. The sets, special effects and cinematography are quite nice. Im not big on that obvious and fake sounding looping, but thats alright. The movie isnt serious by any stretch, its what I would call an adventure movie for young adults, and something that adult scifi fans may find watchable with a popcorn and coke handy.
Of course, thats not what an alien movie should be, but as a standalone its fine. Well, the first 30-40 minutes are. And yes, it is much better than Resurrection
As for the joke called AVP:R....
What's interesting is that just like McG did with the terminator Salvation, the Strauss Bros promised to correct the supposed mistakes of the previous movie and make a "real" AVP movie. Hence the R rating and the comic book logos to appeal to the fanboys from the get-go. This is actually where the R came from in the title. Its now an R rated AVP, so AVP:R. They couldve come up with a better word starting on R than Requiem though.
The entire movie should be Fox's biggest embarrassment ever. To be honest, I cant believe they greenlit the movie after seeing the finished product. Perhaps they thought the internet geeks will love it for the gore and video game-ish action alone. They sure completely dropped the ball on logic , story and characters there. Who is even the main character? The sheriff? The pizza kid? his brother? Some mess I tell ya
Im not gonna comment on any specific elements of the story because it has way too many plotholes. But the one thing everyone including myself hates is the PredAlien. Gosh, not only this thing didnt make a damn sense logic wise and single handedly erased all the real life based logic and realness of the franchise, but it also looked absolutely ridiculous.
I could barely tell who was who in the sewer action scene
Well Aliens have a penis for a head and Predators have dreads. There's a good place to start.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 01:34:51 AM
Well Aliens have a penis for a head and Predators have dreads. There's a good place to start.
the lighting of theater was messed up then because i couldn't see S**T
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 01:34:51 AM
Well Aliens have a penis for a head and Predators have dreads. There's a good place to start.
Except that the Predalien didn't have a penis-head, and it had dreadlocks.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 02, 2010, 02:55:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 01:34:51 AM
Well Aliens have a penis for a head and Predators have dreads. There's a good place to start.
Except that the Predalien didn't have a penis-head, and it had dreadlocks.
No, but it appeared only briefly.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 02, 2010, 02:55:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 01:34:51 AM
Well Aliens have a penis for a head and Predators have dreads. There's a good place to start.
Except that the Predalien didn't have a penis-head, and it had dreadlocks.
It's head was still elongated. And it had a tail. So there.
I don't eat that kind of shit.
They are not Alien movies. They are not Predator movies. They are not Aliens Vs Predator movies. We maybe can find some interesting things in Paul Aderson's movie but Requiem... Come On Guys !
Right, sept they are Alien versus Predator movies.
Says so on the front.
These are the movies weve been dealt, well just have to like them. Fox have no confidence in the movies, so they dont give a decent budget. Or a credible director.
The real problem is Moviegoers. It began in 1999 with the new Star Wars Trilogy. Now 80% of the movies are made for those freaks.
What do you mean ?
All I hear are complaints about those prequels.
I can't understand AvP - Requiem. I can't. This is surreal movie to me. Even high. There is nothing on this film.
I wouldnt call it surreal, just poorly thought out.
AvPR was thought out? :o
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Jun 02, 2010, 07:50:56 AM
I don't eat that kind of shit.
They are not Alien movies. They are not Predator movies. They are not Aliens Vs Predator movies. We maybe can find some interesting things in Paul Aderson's movie but Requiem... Come On Guys !
There are plenty of things I like about Requiem, namely the fact that it had action. What the hell did Anderson's film? Interspecies erotica, sure.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 07:07:05 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 02, 2010, 02:55:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 01:34:51 AM
Well Aliens have a penis for a head and Predators have dreads. There's a good place to start.
Except that the Predalien didn't have a penis-head, and it had dreadlocks.
It's head was still elongated. And it had a tail. So there.
Couldn't see them clearly in many shots. All I could make out is one tentacled idiot wailing on another tentacled idiot.
They are both not even good movies especially Requiem.
The pitch of Paul Anderson's movie is interesting. Not well made but interesting. The film photography is good and the movie has some cool scenes with very good Fx (Even if ADI's Preds are horrible): The Preds arrival, The battle with the Queen, Overclocking effects... I don't know what you thought about the CG Queen and Aliens but I found that really good.
Of course Requiem is the straight sequel to the first one but: The little town, The hobos, The bully, the sheriff, the veteran, the little girl, the sports shop, the school battle, the Predalien... are too much for me. It's not possible. The shot of Wolf in front of the sports shoes in the shop is one of the most ridiculous thing I saw in a movie.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 02, 2010, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 07:07:05 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 02, 2010, 02:55:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 01:34:51 AM
Well Aliens have a penis for a head and Predators have dreads. There's a good place to start.
Except that the Predalien didn't have a penis-head, and it had dreadlocks.
It's head was still elongated. And it had a tail. So there.
Couldn't see them clearly in many shots. All I could make out is one tentacled idiot wailing on another tentacled idiot.
I saw them just fine. Take off the helmet and you will too.
I didn't know Wolf had acid burns on one side of his face until I got bored once and watched the DVD's special features.
Although I did notice he was missing a mandible, so the effects weren't a total loss.
I thought he had pock marks. :o
The acid burns are pretty hard to miss, unless you had your eyes closed.
Smartass comeback in 3, 2 ....
No, they were just bathed in darkness.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 02:52:04 PM
I saw them just fine. Take off the helmet and you will too.
We can't be blamed for not having super-vision!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 05:19:06 PM
The acid burns are pretty hard to miss, unless you had your eyes closed.
Stop defending it for no reason.
The fact of the matter is the color correction is an abomination,completely annihilating the original lighting.
It's not normal or easy to see at all.
For me it was. I. Don't. Get. This.
I can see the film fine. I don't know why I can see what's going and you guys can't. I can't explain it.
You're a super-intelligent shade of the colour blue! Of course you could see it. For the rest of us mere corporeal beings, we have a little trouble with it.
@Doom But even you can admit it is darker than most movies?
Sure I can. But I don't believe it's this supremely, uber, pitch black film everyone here claims it is.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
Sure I can. But I don't believe it's this supremely, uber, pitch black film everyone here claims it is.
I second this. I can see everything just fine.
Agreed. There are only two or three shots in the film that I have problems viewing.
well i think some of us need to eat more carrots because most of us cant see shit. all i see, alot of the time, is the basic outlines with a few details. The scenes in the sewers should be dark yes. And it doesnt matter if you cant see much when nothing much is happening, like any exposition. But the short fight in the sewer with the Predator and the Aliens is ruined because you can hardly see the action. You can see it of course. But not very well. Its like watching a pirate dvd when no matter what you do to the contrast / brightness / colour settings, you still cant quite see as much as you should be able to. Im not going to say its completely unwatchable, but its certainly the darkest dvd ive ever seen, and its certainly waaaaaaaaay darker than it should be. Even the Strauss Brothers admitted it. Hell they even apologized for it. To deny it, baffles me.
Maybe it's because I watch the Blu-Ray, I don't know.
It is darker than it needs to be. Still, Ive shite eyesight and I can make everything out.
Or maybe tv brightness is different I have avp;r blu-ray and it is as dark as dvd. Just better quality.
I have the bluray and still can't see. Turning up the brightness turns the blacks into fuzzy greys.
Then I don't know what to tell you guys. I don't have problems seeing what's on-screen. Darker than I'd like obviously, but it's not pitch black.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
it's not pitch black.
Obviously.
That film is way better. ;D
The colour isn't going to bother me anyway. I'll never watch the film again.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 03, 2010, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
it's not pitch black.
Obviously.
That film is way better. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzOBlPKZjxE
Maybe part of the problem is that the two times I watched it, the first was a bad pirate, and the second was on TV. Still, the scenes with the worst lighting are the scenes that you'd supposedly want to see the most.
Stop it! Stop voting against AVP:R! Stop it I say!
*slaps Abomination*
Btw, good nick for an AvPR fan. ;D
sighs.....you people. :-\
Quote from: Puks on Jun 04, 2010, 10:36:10 AM
*slaps Abomination*
Btw, good nick for an AvPR fan. ;D
Awsome!!! ;D ;D
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Best smiley evur ! :o
Quote from: Basher917 on Jun 04, 2010, 12:46:40 PM
Quote from: Puks on Jun 04, 2010, 10:36:10 AM
*slaps Abomination*
Btw, good nick for an AvPR fan. ;D
Awsome!!! ;D ;D
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Old Solid Snake?
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=166 (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=166)
Can't find anything humorous nor generally funny in that strip to be sincere.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 03, 2010, 05:11:01 PM
I have the bluray and still can't see. Turning up the brightness turns the blacks into fuzzy greys.
Yep.
Quote from: Puks on Jun 04, 2010, 10:36:10 AM
*slaps Abomination*
Btw, good nick for an AvPR fan. ;D
*doubleslaps Puks*
Thank you, I quite like it.
Quote from: Abomination on Jun 04, 2010, 07:46:46 PM
Quote from: Puks on Jun 04, 2010, 10:36:10 AM
*slaps Abomination*
Btw, good nick for an AvPR fan. ;D
*doubleslaps Puks*
Thank you, I quite like it.
stop the madness before
someone else has to
You rang ? :D
After re-watching AvP, I discovered I liked it despite Scar's face and Gill's death. Changed my vite, but I still like AvP:R.
I like AvP but don't love it. As for AVPR, I don't hate it but I don't like it either. I voted AvP.
Thats exactly what I would say. I think the same goes of Doom. I dont think anyone could love Requiem, its not an Alien or Pred movie. But too many arguements made about it are childish.
I don't love Requiem, but I do like it. It's a brainless movie that's fun to watch for me. For me. I just can't say the same for AvP because whatever problems it had, bugged me more so than they did in Requiem and Anderson's film as a whole was just a big snore fest to me.
I have more chagrin for Anderson than I do the Strauses, who seem misguided. Anderson ruined Resident Evil for me, as well as Alien and Predator.
I wouldnt have said he ruined Resi. He made a story that was kind of seperate from the games. He didnt change too much either. It never really countered much in the games, though it was a little boring. Though I will say, its basically a carbon copy of AvP.
MK was pretty good I thought.
RE I and II were pretty good IMHO. Waiting to rent the third.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 06, 2010, 02:42:00 PM
RE I and II were pretty good IMHO. Waiting to rent the third.
I like the horror based games, REmake, RE2, RE3. Anderson's RE movies, to me, had nothing to do with the games aside for viruses and zombies. Especially the later movies with their superpowers and such. And Alice is one bad case of a Mary Sue.
Milla= Win and hawt. Can't find anything wrong with her, really. :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 06, 2010, 03:27:48 PM
Milla= Win and hawt. Can't find anything wrong with her, really. :P
Sure, but her character sucks :P
While I prefer her in the masterpiece that is The Fifth Element, I still find her acting and her character in RE enjoyable and interesting.
I really can't understand How people can find something good in that "thing". I can't. Everything in Requiem is bullshit. Every second. A retarded movie made by two retarded brothers. Wake up, guys.
2 scenes or so are decent.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
Then I don't know what to tell you guys. I don't have problems seeing what's on-screen. Darker than I'd like obviously, but it's not pitch black.
Maybe it's something to do with this:
Quotewe had a problem with our DI (digital intermediate - the digital scan of the film used for adjusting technical elements -- color correcting, etc. ). We had to switch artists because we weren't happy with how certain things looked. We had to race -- there's like one color correction for all of the European and all of the Asian markets -- different from the U.S. color correction -- and with the DVD... we literally re-did it from scratch. It's a actually a very different looking movie.
Things are totally different colors, and it's much more we'd originally intended. We really went in there and got the transfer polished for the DVD.
we definitely brightened some of the battle sequences up. Say for instance in the sewer battles -- I know people were complaining that it was dark. However, we found out though there were some bad prints sent to the East Coast -- because some guys that also saw the movie here, also saw it in Boston, New York, and Florida -- and they said that they had bad prints. Those prints were washed out. and very muddy. That is not what we saw out here.
http://www.alienexperience.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93:colin-strause-director-avp-r&catid=36:interviews&Itemid=50
He does go on to say that he corrected it for the DVD, and that they're happy with that, though.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 06, 2010, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 06, 2010, 04:22:21 PM
2 scenes or so are decent.
Sorry, but... no.
You gotta admit, seeing those end credits pop up made you smile. :P
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 06, 2010, 06:48:17 PM
Sorry, but... no.
Come on, the Homeworld scene and when Wolf is in the Ship are cool... sorta.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 06, 2010, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 06, 2010, 04:22:21 PM
2 scenes or so are decent.
Sorry, but... no.
You gotta admit, seeing those end credits pop up made you smile. :P
Those
Aliens and
Predator fonts were used well to a degree at least.
Quote from: EEV-2501 on Jun 06, 2010, 04:20:09 PM
I really can't understand How people can find something good in that "thing". I can't. Everything in Requiem is bullshit. Every second. A retarded movie made by two retarded brothers. Wake up, guys.
I am entitled to my opinion, as are others who have positive opinions of the film. Oh and your last comment was childish.
As long as the people that like avp and/or avpr like the originals more I don't mind mind but if you don't I lose all respect for that person
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2010, 02:28:17 PM
I have more chagrin for Anderson than I do the Strauses, who seem misguided. Anderson ruined Resident Evil for me, as well as Alien and Predator.
I agree. Resident Evil sucked for the same reason DOOM did. They had a simple story to begin with, but because Hollywood loves fixing what isn't broken, they decided to put their own spin on it.
True. Though the first Resi could be argues as standalone. The tripe that followed was inexplicable.
I chose AVP: R.
It was more scary and more gory than AVP which I feel is an important part in the alien and Predator films.
It was also more interesting.
I really liked the Predalien.
There are aspects of AVP that are better than AVP: R, but overall, I still prefer watching AVP: R.
Scary...there's a word I haven't heard used in the same sentence as Requiem.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2010, 03:09:11 PM
Scary...there's a word I haven't heard used in the same sentence as Requiem.
'Cause it doesn't fit at all.
Unless you are saying
Scaringly bad.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 11, 2010, 03:09:11 PM
Scary...there's a word I haven't heard used in the same sentence as Requiem.
I guess scary wasn't the best word to use.
I guess I felt more worried (for the characters) and more on edge in certain scenes than I was in AVP.
Such as when the alien was coming for them under the water in the pool and when they were being attacked whilst trying to get on the helicopter.
I think the gore adds on tho these feelings.
I understand that AVP: Reqium isn't the best quality of movie. But other peoples opinions don't effect me and I still enjoy watching it.
Welcome to the party ;D ;)
Believe it or not, at 20:30 me, myself and I began to watch for the 3rd time Aliens Vs. Predator: Requiem, after 2 years of inactivity of my DvD. ::) I was kind of optimist, thinking I could enjoy it more than the last time. In this latter, right after the vision, the first associative I had in mind was "steaming pile of s**t". So, I thinked I could give a more positive review this time around.
And guess what,
I was wrong. Oh, oh so wrong. ::)
I'll admit that I wasn't bothered by either creature design - I even kind of appreciated how the almighty Octopus Man looked (masked) and acted onscreen. The Predalien was nice. The Aliens stood right there doing nothing, but I didn't care much.
Photography is of the worst kind. I hadn't problems seeing what was going on the screen, but still some more light wouldn't have hurt.
The acting is top-notch f**ktasticly bad. People in great numbers die and those guys can't manage do make one, single different expression? Not that the dialogue was any encouraging anyway, it was really cringe worthy. At the "Are the monsters gone now mummy?" I almost wanted to impale my own tv.
At the store fight I began to laugh incontrollably. My mother went to see and even looked at me with a WTF kind of expression. ;D
I don't know why, but I laughed how that was pathetically weak scene. And don't get me started at the "Government doesn't lie to people!" moment.
And sooooo... I ended this film up with only a thing in my mind.
You can guess what.
Ooh! Ooh! Was it "steaming pile of shit"?
I'd summarize the AvP films like this.
For me Requiem= "I guess I should've seen that coming."
And AvP="Blablablablablablabla!!!!!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7CcGdp7HzA
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 18, 2010, 10:02:57 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Was it "steaming pile of shit"?
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Funny enough I watched both AVP movies last night. I'm going to give my short thoughts of what I thought watching them after it had been at least 6 months or so since I'd watched either of them and the day before I'd watched Predator 1 & 2.
Both movies are bad...we know this so I'm just going to point out what I liked since everyone has over killed what they hate.
AVP: The Concept, I may be blasted for this but I like the idea of it. Antartica, underground hunting ground, changing scenery and the like. Good number of Predators with a good number of Aliens opposing. The characters weren't that great thei dialouge was worse leavning my brother and I to conclude the movie really needed Harrision Ford as Indiana Jokes as the main character of it and it would have been a great movie! *cough* anyway The main drawback is the characters and the human/predator alliance.
AVP-R: is a different beast entirely the story ripped off of a B-Movie but as I was watching it I noticed a lot more things I liked compared to the first time I watched it...I'm NOT saying I liked the movie but I did like some of the things that happened. My major complaints again where with the writing and actors but the concept was solid. I liked the Predator and the Predalien in the film. The Predalien's ability to inpregnate people was corny but I think it could have been done far better if they hadn't made it ridiclous. If the Predalien had 1. only impregnated one chestburster and 2. impregenated someone other than a female it would have been far more interesting. Sadly they chose the B-movie route. I liked the Aliens hiding out in the sewer since that is simlar to Aliens. This movie's biggest problem is the parts that would have been the most interesting to see they skip for some reason or another. The National Guard fighting the Aliens, the Aliens taking over the town, the town's last stand before the missle kills them all and most importantly several of the fights between the Wolf and Aliens most notably the store fight. All of these events are implied and could have been very interesting if done well. The Aliens themselves were a nice looking design but the actors using them had obviously not watched Alien. There was no subtlety to how they attacked just charging and jumping on people. Also the fact they just laid there and took the abuse from The Wolf was an easy thing that was looked over. I enjoyed the fight to the helicopter though it could have been done better and could have excluded Dallas' amazing avoidance of being sprayed by acid. The Predalien design was interesting and it was potrayed fairly well in comparrision to the other Aliens. The last major fight between the Wolf and Predalien had good moments and bad. The Predalien fought a bit to much like a predator and less like an Alien was the main issue. The movie though had some nice moment. The Predator in paricular was done well, nice weapons and gadgets. The Sound and music also was much better in this film than the last one.
Regardless of the future of this franchise we can at least look forward to good standalones...prehaps in the future someone will make AVP Redemption :P
QuoteRegardless of the future of this franchise we can at least look forward to good standalones...
The thing is, that "Versus" - movies always have been miserable in their content. So to be fair, Anderson didn't do such a massive screw up as many others did when given the chance to let one iconic beast fight another iconic beast...
So I still see huge potential in the AvP universe for being THE best "versus" universe.
As much as Anderson and Strauses have f**ked this up, you could do such cool things with this premise.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Jun 21, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
Regardless of the future of this franchise we can at least look forward to good standalones...prehaps in the future someone will make AVP Redemption :P
Someone did. His name is Alex Popov.
I think he knows that already.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 21, 2010, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Jun 21, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
Regardless of the future of this franchise we can at least look forward to good standalones...prehaps in the future someone will make AVP Redemption :P
Someone did. His name is Alex Popov.
That was the joke...haha I watched that and really enjoyed it. It was also a Red Dead Repemption reference. That's not the point though the point is any franchise can get turned around.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Jun 21, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 21, 2010, 08:14:34 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Jun 21, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
Regardless of the future of this franchise we can at least look forward to good standalones...prehaps in the future someone will make AVP Redemption :P
Someone did. His name is Alex Popov.
That was the joke...haha I watched that and really enjoyed it. It was also a Red Dead Repemption reference since that game completely turned around the Red Dead franchise. That's not the point though the point is any franchise can get turned around.
I thought the story for AvP was so bad it made me angry, the whole ancient pyrimid thing and the predators teching humans to build them and "sacrifice" themselves as hosts.................f**kin' ridiculous, cheesy shite that completly wrecked the aliens back story and makes the nostromo inccident less important if AvP is to be takin seriously, "oh some spaceship ran into one alien? so what there was thousands of them running about some f**king pyrimids on earth thousands of years before" eugh!
Now alot of people seem to hate AvP(R) more for some reason, why? it was alot more interesting, alot less cheesy, and far more gory, I know the Predalien looked a bit silly but did no one else feel really creeped out when it inpregnated the woman in the hospital? like how people were creeped out seeing the facehugger on kanes face for the first time? I'm not saying AvP was a great film or anywere near as good as A L I E N, but it was ALOT better than the tripe that was the first AvP.
You know, I had a thought recently. You know what the least forgivable aspect of the Requiem Alien design is? The fact that it uses the Newborn's stomach. Newborn designs should not be incorporated into regular Aliens. Ever.
Quote from: cmc on Jun 22, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
Now alot of people seem to hate AvP(R) more for some reason, why?
It is a mundane, idiot, pointless slasher flick.
Quote from: cmc on Jun 22, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
it was alot more interesting,
Teen Drama and a damn corny town are more interesting than a group of researchers and an ancient Pyramid?
Quote from: cmc on Jun 22, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
alot less cheesy,
Less? With an arm straight detaching from one's body like in the worst B-Movies, the almighty Octopus Man and oversized bugs.. No.
Quote from: cmc on Jun 22, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
did no one else feel really creeped out when it inpregnated the woman in the hospital?
I'll describe you my reaction.
I pressed the "Stop" Button of my Remote.
I went to the bathroom, and something that was in my stomach before, exited from the mouth and went into the flusher.
Quote from: cmc on Jun 22, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
like how people were creeped out seeing the facehugger on kanes face for the first time?
The two aren't comparable by any means.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 22, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
The fact that it uses the Newborn's stomach.
...
What?
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 22, 2010, 04:12:33 PM
You know, I had a thought recently. You know what the least forgivable aspect of the Requiem Alien design is? The fact that it uses the Newborn's stomach. Newborn designs should not be incorporated into regular Aliens. Ever.
The body design was the same as AVP's and A:R's
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi104.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm191%2FIzzys88%2FAliencostume-2-1.jpg&hash=8c46ba291806b8ce82d5e91c335fa36447cb5f68)
See?
Now that I see it, A:R has a more pronounced ribcage.
Plus it isn't really the same as there are little differences.
Not seeing again the "Newborn Stomach".
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2010, 04:29:20 PM
Now that I see it, A:R has a more pronounced ribcage.
Plus it isn't really the same as there are little differences.
For all intents and purposes, it's the same design
QuoteNot seeing again the "Newborn Stomach".
Same ???
I know that A:R-Requiem Aliens have it, but it's easily the most pronounced and fleshy in Requiem. In AVP, it looks recessed and almost solid; Requiem Aliens look squishy.
I agree that it is fleshier than the others, but I still can't see how it remotely resembles the newborn.
Could you be more specific about this? I am interested.
Huh. My memory was skewed. When I went to go find pictures for comparison, I found that the Newborn didn't have the stomach I was thinking of. My mistake, I apologize.
Still, the stomach on Requiem looks pretty ridiculous.
Same as the AvP and Resurrection stomachs. If the head wasn't so bad, the whole creature could have looked better.
Only fleshier.
That picture doesn't do it right, but in other pictures it does.
Why does ADI insist upon using the same, horrible stomach design over and over?
Just thinking about it now - I don't think we ever been given a good look at their stomachs in the last couple of films. The Aliens have almost constantly been on all fours for a number of years now.
Although we've rarely ever (like, almost evar) had a look at their stomachs anyway thanks to quick editing and dark lighting across the series. I guess it doesn't really matter all that much about them.
It just makes me mad when I see the ADI designs compared with the originals.
derr derr, nuht eberywun can bee liek teh geegur aliun. :(
All they have to do is replicate it! How hard can that be?
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 22, 2010, 06:44:00 PM
Why does ADI insist upon using the same, horrible stomach design over and over?
Budget.
Why not reuse the Giger stomachs then? They look much better.
Original suit is in a museum = Do not touch.
Aliens props are all too much damaged to be used I think. Only that guy who has everything (:D) still has the heads I think.
He is a legend and would love this forum.
Yeah... anyone knows his name? I forgot it pretty much. ???
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2010, 07:11:56 PM
Original suit is in a museum = Do not touch.
Aliens props are all too much damaged to be used I think. Only that guy who has everything (:D) still has the heads I think.
I didn't mean the actual original (that's just silly), but just use the same design or casts or whatever of the original.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 22, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2010, 07:11:56 PM
Original suit is in a museum = Do not touch.
Aliens props are all too much damaged to be used I think. Only that guy who has everything (:D) still has the heads I think.
I didn't mean the actual original (that's just silly), but just use the same design or casts or whatever of the original.
ADI's Reason:It doesn't fit over existing animatronics.
=/
Stop defending them! :)
Quote from: XenoVC on Jun 22, 2010, 07:21:07 PM
ADI's Reason:It doesn't fit over existing animatronics.
=/
*sniffs*
Smells like bull...
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 22, 2010, 07:19:26 PM
I didn't mean the actual original (that's just silly),
I meant taking moulds of that.
They had the chance on the set of AvPR but didn't, apparently. AvP was a bolt production, if you know what I mean. Production was of 2, maybe 3, months. They had only the moulds of A:R, and for economic reasons, chose them.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 22, 2010, 06:44:00 PM
Why does ADI insist upon using the same, horrible stomach design over and over?
Budget.
You've said this before but I've heard no complaining from ADI about budget, ever. Source? All I hear them talking about is how technology has improved, how Tom is the new Lon Chaney (or whomever), and how they are 'custodians' to Giger's design despite honouring it in basic shape only, that is, an anthropomorphic being with an elongated head. Can you point me to where ADI have cited budget as the reason for reusing the design? I know of a quote where one of the Strauses says that the Predator was able to be redesigned for AVP:R, but the Alien, not so, though there was no further elaboration.
The way I see it is, ADI have Giger's creature, they have it the way
they want it - that's the way it stays.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 22, 2010, 07:52:09 PM
You've said this before but I've heard no complaining from ADI about budget, ever. Source?
They had two months to do the Aliens, and very low part of the budget was put into the actual aliens. Most was used in either miniatures or casting, or actual props of the Pyramid (which were the big block). Think there was an interview anyway. Maybe I used the wrong word, yeah.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 22, 2010, 07:52:09 PM
All I hear them talking about is how technology has improved, how Tom is the new Lon Chaney (or whomever), and how they are 'custodians' to Giger's design despite honouring it in basic shape only, that is, an anthropomorphic being with an elongated head.
You certainly ain't gonna hear them criticize their own technology.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2010, 07:56:48 PM
They had two months to do the Aliens, and very low part of the budget was put into the actual aliens. Most was used in either miniatures or casting, or actual props of the Pyramid (which were the big block). Think there was an interview anyway. Maybe I used the wrong word, yeah.
Just remember, that AVP wasn't the only Alien movie plagued by budget and production problems/cuts.
QuoteYou certainly ain't gonna hear them criticize their own technology.
Maybe, though both Scott and Cameron have been critical of where they failed. ADI have a constant EPK attitude, from my perspective.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 22, 2010, 08:02:22 PM
Just remember, that AVP wasn't the only Alien movie plagued by budget and production problems/cuts.
Just see it like this: Moulding A:R's would have saved time+money. With 2 months for the making that's a big deal.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 22, 2010, 08:02:22 PM
Maybe, though both Scott and Cameron have been critical of where they failed.
May agree with Scott.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2010, 08:09:16 PM
Just see it like this: Moulding A:R's would have saved time+money. With 2 months for the making that's a big deal.
I detest AR's entire existence, so what can I say?
Quote
May agree with Scott.
Cameron has stated before that if any shots of the Alien were to last a single frame longer, then they would have looked terrible. He's spoken of the limitations of the film before.
I say AvP:R because it seemed like they were trying to add something to the overall mythology of the Alien universe by showing how Predator technology affected Humans and formed Weylund-Yutani
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 22, 2010, 08:51:09 PM
I detest AR's entire existence, so what can I say?
Like I don't know to this point? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: King Lordi on Jun 23, 2010, 06:16:22 AM
I say AvP:R because it seemed like they were trying to add something to the overall mythology of the Alien universe by showing how Predator technology affected Humans and formed Weylund-Yutani
And a shitty continuity-shredding new reproduction cycle.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 23, 2010, 09:58:20 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 22, 2010, 08:51:09 PM
I detest AR's entire existence, so what can I say?
Like I don't know to this point? ;D ;D ;D
Haha, it might have been said here or there :P
Quote from: King Lordi on Jun 23, 2010, 06:16:22 AM
I say AvP:R because it seemed like they were trying to add something to the overall mythology of the Alien universe by showing how Predator technology affected Humans and formed Weylund-Yutani
That part was stupid and cliche. Cinched for me AvP:R as one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
I find both movies funny,but not on purpose funny.The first AvP i thought was slightly better as far as a complete movie goes.It's still a weak film,but there are good shots and scenes in it.
Anyway some of the funniest moments in both movies for me:
1.Lex and Sebastian laughing with no reason behind it,after the "hunter's moon" line.Probably they realized that their careers had just died.
2.Sebastian seeming to know every single thing about the pyramid and more.The bottle cap bit was an awful characterization.
3.Lex and her sexual tensions with Sebastian.Although not obvious right away,they are kinda there.Then Scar somehow takes Sebastian's place.
4.The first Alien/Predator battle was good,but the huge tail bit was a mistake.At first i thought it was the Queen doing it.Nothing like it has ever been in an Alien movie before.
5.The Scar predator and Alexa running from the impending explosion in slow motion near the end.
AvP R is an unintentional comedy in general:
1.The silly mother/daughter angle in tribute to the Ripley/Newt one from Aliens.
2.Teeny love dramas and the pool scene were horrific,but also laughable in the same time.
3.Wolf's behavior kicking doors and roaring just to show coolness.They had the camera on him for most of the film and they still blew it.
4.The dialogue and acting could make your day.
That's not all really.There is too much stuff here to be written.So,you see,you can always laugh while watching these movies.I guess that's their only positive.
When you're laughing at them, that's not a good thing. Ever.
Nah, he's got a point. I mean, the only way I can get through Requiem is if I view it as a parody.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jun 23, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
Nah, he's got a point. I mean, the only way I can get through Requiem is if I view it as a parody.
I tried to do that, watched it with my brother and did a Mystery Theater 3000 thing. Lasted 40 minutes, then we went and washed dishes instead.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jun 23, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
Nah, he's got a point. I mean, the only way I can get through Requiem is if I view it as a parody.
That wouldn't even get me through AvP because film thinks it's being serious.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 23, 2010, 06:09:06 PM
I tried to do that, watched it with my brother and did a Mystery Theater 3000 thing. Lasted 40 minutes, then we went and washed dishes instead.
Good man. :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 23, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
That wouldn't even get me through AvP because film thinks it's being serious.
It is when the humans are on-screen. And then it's only serious in a B-movie kinda way.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 23, 2010, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jun 23, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
Nah, he's got a point. I mean, the only way I can get through Requiem is if I view it as a parody.
I tried to do that, watched it with my brother and did a Mystery Theater 3000 thing. Lasted 40 minutes, then we went and washed dishes instead.
I did that with my brother when it was on TV. We went the distance. It was fun. :D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 23, 2010, 07:08:35 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 23, 2010, 06:09:06 PM
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jun 23, 2010, 06:07:55 PM
Nah, he's got a point. I mean, the only way I can get through Requiem is if I view it as a parody.
I tried to do that, watched it with my brother and did a Mystery Theater 3000 thing. Lasted 40 minutes, then we went and washed dishes instead.
I did that with my brother when it was on TV. We went the distance. It was fun. :D
I suggested finishing it but my brother throws me a look that suggests he'll kill me. We watched Alien 3 assembly cut instead and he loved it. AVP:R can wait 8)
AVP had a better overall concept for it being on Earth. The characters were more likeable/tolerable and I thought it was kind of interesting how Anderson tried to give the Aliens a "lead character" that was the "grid alien". I kind of knew that the predator would team up with the woman before I watched it in theatres. I think he had to kill off the two predators because I think it would have been way cheesier that two or three of them teamed up with her. It may have been better I think if they never teamed up and didn't kill off the two predators right away. I did like how the predators were big. It would have been nice to have one normal sized predator or one that is a little smaller that was more agile. That way the hand to hand combat would have been more graceful like mentioned in the one comic/novel I read how every move they made counted and was calculated or something instead of a chester rumble. At first I enjoyed the movie mostly because I just wanted to, then I got annoyed with some of the things and then just hated it and then learned to appreciate it a lot more because of AVP-R. The PG-13 thing I read was because of Fox as well as other problems which doesn't surprise me. Fox needs to get their stuff together when it comes to the AVP series before they kill it. But the first AVP was the most faithful to the comics, which I feel it should be since the comics started it all. I did expect it to be gory, but was let down at first. Now I release that gore isn't everything. In the first two Alien movies you didn't see every death on screen, but the first two movies had amazing characters that stood out. Not so much in AVP, but I could tell Anderson was trying and I think AVP is his best movie. I hated the MTV style editing with the quick zoom in shots and the slo-mo. I'm pretty conservative about how I shot and edited stuff when I went to school. I thought before slo-mo shots were overused and thought full speed fight scenes look more intense and "cool".
AVP-R I absolutely hate and came out when I went to school for digital media production (movies, tv shows, etc) so I was even more well aware about making and shooting stuff as well as script writing. I've never walked out of a movie before, but I almost did then. I was embarrassed. The fact that it was released on Christmas Day kills me, though the poster looked cool. The script was horrible and so was the alien design. They moved so slow some of the time when they were "running" away. They looked like a kid caught with his pants down while mooning someone. I knew some of the alien inner jaw scenes were CGI and was poorly done I'd say. Non of the characters stuck in my head and I didn't care about any of them, which is a bad thing in a movie. The fight scenes were slightly better I think, but still not as good as they could have been. The setting really ruined any potential as well as the "actors" and "actresses" . The movie did bring some more interesting stuff when it comes to the Predator. The Pred-Alien looked Ok. I only appreciated it more when I found some 1/2 scale busts on eBay that actually showed some of the detail more. I never knew it had a skull similar to the alien in Alien, a design I wish would come back. The gore was well done, but it couldn't save the movie just like nudity couldn't save Maniac Nurses Find Ecstasy from Troma. The gore I could tell they were trying to make up for it from the past movie, but they did it to the point where it was ridiculous. I don't even consider it B-Movie worthy. The setting would have been amazing for a Predator movie minus the aliens of course. It would have had access to a town and a nice large woodland area. I was happy when the movie was over and when the mother and daughter were talking about the "monsters being gone" and the camera pull back, I laughed at how bad and cheesy that was. The movie shouldn't have been made. I could tell Fox just wanted money. AVP-R is a terrible movie and that's all there is to it. Even with just the fight scenes, it's still pretty bad. I didn't like how the aliens were cannon fodder either to the predator most of the time. I can understand though since there was just one Predator. Since it was a sequel, you kind of thought there would be more. But yeah, the movie is bad and it's just an excuse to have two movie icons fight on the big screen. It's like they didn't even try with the story, they just stuck it in a town and tried to make it appeal to teens. The Alien and Predator franchises have movies that have won awards deemed culturally significant. AVP movies shouldn't be about mindless violence with paper thin characters you can't really relate to or like.
Out of the two movies I obviously think the first AVP is way superior. Gore doesn't make a movie good to me, it's the characters and setting and just the overall "realness" of it all. The first one had better characters and was more believable compared to Aliens and a Predator running around in a town. The second one had little to no imaginative qualities besides the Pred-Alien. It was like a teenager's plot for a high school project. I can't believe someone at Fox read it and gave it a go, though they look at it as an investment. Another thing I noticed in the second one is the Alien blood looks different. When they were getting to the "chopper", alien blood was being flung all over the place, like on the helicopter it looked like, yet no damage. Same when the Pred-Alien was fighting the Predator in close quarters. I thought he would have gotten burned, unless I missed something. The first movie is more like a popcorn movie to me. I don't mind as much waiting for the fight scenes because the location is actually interesting compared to AVP-R's. I still wish there were more though. Both movies are huge let downs to me. Fox needs to hire better talent and bring back Giger for some input. I think they really need to look at the games as well. I'd love to see Colonial Marines, but only if the right people do it. And if they do make another one, they should try to make a great movie that has unforgettable characters and a believable universe like in the Alien series. But I think Fox is getting it together some after I looked more into Predators and the Alien Prequel. I'm reading the Predators comic prequel (so much better than AVP: TWW) and bought a large sized Predators poster to get myself amped up. I didn't like how Adrien Brody was casted as the lead at first, but I really like the idea now because the whole large shirtless 80's action star has been done before and this is more realistic. I think I read somewhere he put on 25 pounds of muscle for the role. Anyway that's my 2 cents.
Forgot to mention the interior of the Predator ship in AVP and AVP-R. I really thought they should have kept the Predator 2 style. How it is in the AVP movies doesn't look like a Predator ship.
Needs more carriage returns plz. :)
Quotecouldn't save Maniac Nurses Find Ecstasy from Troma.
LOL! :D
Quote from: xenomorpher on Jun 24, 2010, 01:16:33 AM
AVP had a better overall concept for it being on Earth. The characters were more likeable/tolerable and I thought it was kind of interesting how Anderson tried to give the Aliens a "lead character" that was the "grid alien". I kind of knew that the predator would team up with the woman before I watched it in theatres. I think he had to kill off the two predators because I think it would have been way cheesier that two or three of them teamed up with her. It may have been better I think if they never teamed up and didn't kill off the two predators right away. I did like how the predators were big. It would have been nice to have one normal sized predator or one that is a little smaller that was more agile. That way the hand to hand combat would have been more graceful like mentioned in the one comic/novel I read how every move they made counted and was calculated or something instead of a chester rumble. At first I enjoyed the movie mostly because I just wanted to, then I got annoyed with some of the things and then just hated it and then learned to appreciate it a lot more because of AVP-R. The PG-13 thing I read was because of Fox as well as other problems which doesn't surprise me. Fox needs to get their stuff together when it comes to the AVP series before they kill it. But the first AVP was the most faithful to the comics, which I feel it should be since the comics started it all. I did expect it to be gory, but was let down at first. Now I release that gore isn't everything. In the first two Alien movies you didn't see every death on screen, but the first two movies had amazing characters that stood out. Not so much in AVP, but I could tell Anderson was trying and I think AVP is his best movie. I hated the MTV style editing with the quick zoom in shots and the slo-mo. I'm pretty conservative about how I shot and edited stuff when I went to school. I thought before slo-mo shots were overused and thought full speed fight scenes look more intense and "cool".
AVP-R I absolutely hate and came out when I went to school for digital media production (movies, tv shows, etc) so I was even more well aware about making and shooting stuff as well as script writing. I've never walked out of a movie before, but I almost did then. I was embarrassed. The fact that it was released on Christmas Day kills me, though the poster looked cool. The script was horrible and so was the alien design. They moved so slow some of the time when they were "running" away. They looked like a kid caught with his pants down while mooning someone. I knew some of the alien inner jaw scenes were CGI and was poorly done I'd say. Non of the characters stuck in my head and I didn't care about any of them, which is a bad thing in a movie. The fight scenes were slightly better I think, but still not as good as they could have been. The setting really ruined any potential as well as the "actors" and "actresses" . The movie did bring some more interesting stuff when it comes to the Predator. The Pred-Alien looked Ok. I only appreciated it more when I found some 1/2 scale busts on eBay that actually showed some of the detail more. I never knew it had a skull similar to the alien in Alien, a design I wish would come back. The gore was well done, but it couldn't save the movie just like nudity couldn't save Maniac Nurses Find Ecstasy from Troma. The gore I could tell they were trying to make up for it from the past movie, but they did it to the point where it was ridiculous. I don't even consider it B-Movie worthy. The setting would have been amazing for a Predator movie minus the aliens of course. It would have had access to a town and a nice large woodland area. I was happy when the movie was over and when the mother and daughter were talking about the "monsters being gone" and the camera pull back, I laughed at how bad and cheesy that was. The movie shouldn't have been made. I could tell Fox just wanted money. AVP-R is a terrible movie and that's all there is to it. Even with just the fight scenes, it's still pretty bad. I didn't like how the aliens were cannon fodder either to the predator most of the time. I can understand though since there was just one Predator. Since it was a sequel, you kind of thought there would be more. But yeah, the movie is bad and it's just an excuse to have two movie icons fight on the big screen. It's like they didn't even try with the story, they just stuck it in a town and tried to make it appeal to teens. The Alien and Predator franchises have movies that have won awards deemed culturally significant. AVP movies shouldn't be about mindless violence with paper thin characters you can't really relate to or like.
Out of the two movies I obviously think the first AVP is way superior. Gore doesn't make a movie good to me, it's the characters and setting and just the overall "realness" of it all. The first one had better characters and was more believable compared to Aliens and a Predator running around in a town. The second one had little to no imaginative qualities besides the Pred-Alien. It was like a teenager's plot for a high school project. I can't believe someone at Fox read it and gave it a go, though they look at it as an investment. Another thing I noticed in the second one is the Alien blood looks different. When they were getting to the "chopper", alien blood was being flung all over the place, like on the helicopter it looked like, yet no damage. Same when the Pred-Alien was fighting the Predator in close quarters. I thought he would have gotten burned, unless I missed something. The first movie is more like a popcorn movie to me. I don't mind as much waiting for the fight scenes because the location is actually interesting compared to AVP-R's. I still wish there were more though. Both movies are huge let downs to me. Fox needs to hire better talent and bring back Giger for some input. I think they really need to look at the games as well. I'd love to see Colonial Marines, but only if the right people do it. And if they do make another one, they should try to make a great movie that has unforgettable characters and a believable universe like in the Alien series. But I think Fox is getting it together some after I looked more into Predators and the Alien Prequel. I'm reading the Predators comic prequel (so much better than AVP: TWW) and bought a large sized Predators poster to get myself amped up. I didn't like how Adrien Brody was casted as the lead at first, but I really like the idea now because the whole large shirtless 80's action star has been done before and this is more realistic. I think I read somewhere he put on 25 pounds of muscle for the role. Anyway that's my 2 cents.
Forgot to mention the interior of the Predator ship in AVP and AVP-R. I really thought they should have kept the Predator 2 style. How it is in the AVP movies doesn't look like a Predator ship.
Seeing as how this is your first post xenomorpher, welcome to the boards and I already like you because everything the you've mentioned in the essay above I agree with you.
2 xenomorpher: You do realize that no one with a life is going to read that, right?
Anyway, welcome and enjoy the boards.
Sounds like three people just did.
You may need to re-read my post. ;)
Quote from: Puks on Jun 25, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
2 xenomorpher: You do realize that no one with a life is going to read that, right?
So you should have no problems getting through it.
Heyoo.
Sure, Mr. 13 501 posts. :P
Hey, I didn't say I wouldn't. ;)
Although your big-tittied avatar > any number of posts :P
Quote from: Puks on Jun 25, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
2 xenomorpher: You do realize that no one with a life is going to read that, right?
I did. And I do have a life. ;)
Quote from: SiL on Jun 25, 2010, 11:08:40 AM
Hey, I didn't say I wouldn't. ;)
Although your big-tittied avatar > any number of posts :P
^What he said. :D
Quote from: Puks on Jun 25, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
2 xenomorpher: You do realize that no one with a life is going to read that, right?
Anyway, welcome and enjoy the boards.
What you meant to say that anyone with a brain the size of walnut is not going to read that. Its too much for them to comprehend.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 25, 2010, 11:08:40 AM
Hey, I didn't say I wouldn't. ;)
Although your big-tittied avatar > any number of posts :P
Everybody loves my avatar. So gtfo.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Jun 25, 2010, 11:14:31 AM
Quote from: Puks on Jun 25, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
2 xenomorpher: You do realize that no one with a life is going to read that, right?
Anyway, welcome and enjoy the boards.
What you meant to say that anyone with a brain the size of walnut is not going to read that. Its too much for them to comprehend.
No, not really. But I appreciate you're making your own interpretation.
Quote from: Puks on Jun 25, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
2 xenomorpher: You do realize that no one with a life is going to read that, right?
Anyway, welcome and enjoy the boards.
And I appreciate you making your own interpretation.
Thanks for the positive and light-hearted posts. It is long and I am new and didn't introduce myself in the proper topic, so I don't expect everyone to read it all, agree 100%, or care. That's fine, but I've been passionate about the Alien and/vs Predator universe since I was a kid in mid-90's. So that's why it's long and I tried to stay on topic when I wrote it but obviously could had trimmed it down. Oh well.
Two hundred pages? Jesus.
That's what you get puttin' me and Doom in the same thread. :P
Welcome anyway xenomorpher. :D
Quote from: xenomorpher on Jun 25, 2010, 03:06:45 PM
Thanks for the positive and light-hearted posts. It is long and I am new and didn't introduce myself in the proper topic, so I don't expect everyone to read it all, agree 100%, or care. That's fine, but I've been passionate about the Alien and/vs Predator universe since I was a kid in mid-90's. So that's why it's long and I tried to stay on topic when I wrote it but obviously could had trimmed it down. Oh well.
You could always go back and edit your post if you wish to.
Quote from: xenomorpher on Jun 25, 2010, 03:06:45 PM
Thanks for the positive and light-hearted posts. It is long and I am new and didn't introduce myself in the proper topic, so I don't expect everyone to read it all, agree 100%, or care. That's fine, but I've been passionate about the Alien and/vs Predator universe since I was a kid in mid-90's. So that's why it's long and I tried to stay on topic when I wrote it but obviously could had trimmed it down. Oh well.
Nothing's wrong with long posts, mate. If you got a lot to say, better to put it all in one spot than distribute it across innumerable posts. :)
Quote from: Puks on Jun 25, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
Sure, Mr. 13 501 posts. :P
What does 13 501 posts have to do with it?
Quote from: Puks on Jun 25, 2010, 10:32:28 AM
2 xenomorpher: You do realize that no one with a life is going to read that, right?
I think I take offence to that.
He's the resident troll, just ignore him.
Resident wannabe troll.
Who calls himself a troll.
Which is most of the trolling he actually does.
He's a failed troll. :P
Yay, attention!
Hey, look! A distraction! *Points away from Puks.*
Quote from: xenomorpher on Jun 24, 2010, 01:16:33 AM
They moved so slow some of the time when they were "running" away. They looked like a kid caught with his pants down while mooning someone.
This is awesome.
The most horrifying thing about the first AvP is that it's disguised as possibly a decent film. It has the credibility of the Alien and Predator characters. It has Lance Henrikson and that black dude from Resident Evil. It has an interesting plot, and even takes a few ideas from the original AvP comic, which was utterly awesome. It... it...
It sneaks into your brain, crawling way in there, into your "comfortable movie" zone where you sit back and relax to escape into a great film. Then, once inside, it starts pulling out scenes like the slow motion fireball run, or the cat aliens, or the 40-foot alien tail that lifts Chopper up, or the if-it-continues-for-one-more-awkward-second-I'm-really-going-to-leave-the-room stares between Scar and Lex. It's like a good friend that you've known and trusted for years who comes over drunk and poops in the middle of your kitchen floor.
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It is crappy, but nowhere near AvP:Retard's league.
The poll is almost even!
Indeed.
What a tragic revelation.
AvP is tolerable until it becomes an advocate for interspecies erotica. Seriously, even Requiem didn't f**k up that badly.
AvPR f**ked up in almost..
Meh, not this again..
Well I just watched AVPR again with my friend during the sleep over, it honestly wasn't bad...the second time I saw it...
Quote from: Puks on Jun 27, 2010, 02:36:15 AM
AvPR f**ked up in almost..
Meh, not this again..
I agree with you so much it hurts.
Watched AVP and since following Predators, I hate the AVP's even more.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jun 27, 2010, 01:43:45 AM
Quote from: xenomorpher on Jun 24, 2010, 01:16:33 AM
They moved so slow some of the time when they were "running" away. They looked like a kid caught with his pants down while mooning someone.
This is awesome.
The most horrifying thing about the first AvP is that it's disguised as possibly a decent film. It has the credibility of the Alien and Predator characters. It has Lance Henrikson and that black dude from Resident Evil. It has an interesting plot, and even takes a few ideas from the original AvP comic, which was utterly awesome. It... it...
It sneaks into your brain, crawling way in there, into your "comfortable movie" zone where you sit back and relax to escape into a great film. Then, once inside, it starts pulling out scenes like the slow motion fireball run, or the cat aliens, or the 40-foot alien tail that lifts Chopper up, or the if-it-continues-for-one-more-awkward-second-I'm-really-going-to-leave-the-room stares between Scar and Lex. It's like a good friend that you've known and trusted for years who comes over drunk and poops in the middle of your kitchen floor.
http://blog.enterpriseitplanet.com/green/blog/blogpost_img/picard_facepalm.jpg
I never really noticed Scar and Lex staring at each other. I always just thought she was looking past him at the rubble and just thinking about the crap she had to go through while "looking proud". The long Alien tail I did notice. I also noticed the tail moving in the hiding spot more when the alien emerged. So that kind of made it look, at least to me, like the alien speared the predator with it's butt toward him for maximum reach for it's tail. If you rewatch it you may see what I'm talking about.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 27, 2010, 02:35:19 AM
AvP is tolerable until it becomes an advocate for interspecies erotica.
Wasn't the entire first encounter with the Alien until adulthood in
Alien absolutely about solely that?
Look at this hypocrisy. It's downright terrifying when the Alien does it, but it just makes people awkward and uncomfortable when the Predator does it. Racists, I say!
Quote from: Puks on Jun 27, 2010, 02:36:15 AM
AvPR f**ked up in almost..
Meh, not this again..
Ya, it did f**k up. Mostly when it came to the way it was made though, IMO, more so than just what each character/creature was doing in the film which is worse, as AvP showed.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jun 27, 2010, 04:41:32 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 27, 2010, 02:35:19 AM
AvP is tolerable until it becomes an advocate for interspecies erotica.
Wasn't the entire first encounter with the Alien until adulthood in Alien absolutely about solely that?
Look at this hypocrisy. It's downright terrifying when the Alien does it, but it just makes people awkward and uncomfortable when the Predator does it. Racists, I say!
It was poetic in its execution. It was meant to disturb you, that is, if you understood the surrealism behind it. AvP was just romance.
There wasn't any "interspecies romance". Scar showed respect for that human that helped him marking her as a true warrior. Sayin' "interspecies erotica/romance/blahhh" is much like saying that the new Super Predator looks like Freddy Krueger... ergo, nonsense created just to be critical and stuff.
Not really I think the sp looks like freddy, in a good way.
Yeah, it does look very Kruegerish. :D
Way to get off topic.
Anyway, it is a bit hard to not interpret it as a moment of emotion. As much as I agree with you, Oz, about it being respect and honor and pride and stuff, the moment doesn't portray that well. It ends up coming off as awkward and uncomfortable. It was pretty poorly shot, much like everything after Scar and Lex team up (except the Queen fight, where there were some pretty awesome shots).
I really sympathize with you. In the AvP comic, which started the whole series (off right) Dachande and Machiko develop the same relationship, but the situation is handled MUCH better. They basically save the Pred's life, and all of his young yautja are let loose on the colony and start killing everything. Machiko then saves the Pred's life, and the situation escalates.
I feel that in AvP the movie it's just handled terribly, same with the stares and unbearable moments meant to get an "ooh" or chuckle from the audience, like when Scar turns to watch Lex leave after she shoots Sebastian. Any mature director would go "no, no no no, no way, that would be ridiculous and completely out of place with the Predator character." Not our friend Anderson :(.
So many scenes were like that, just the little things that push the movie into the B category. The general behavior of the Preds and Aliens flips from almost accurate (including using the same growls and screams from the old movies) to totally bogus, where the Preds act like huge, clumsy football players, not the cunning, agile, and sadistic killers they are, and the aliens hop around like cats and do idiotic things like leap on spears and shriek before they attack so you know they're there. They became stupid movie monsters, even when the Aliens are communicating with their queen, they like turn and stare at the wall. These things illustrate that the movie was made for someone who had no idea what an Alien or Predator are, and most of these people (if they can get over the acting) probably like the movie because they don't know how poorly the creatures have been represented.
I think the Celtic/Grid fight is actually one of my favorite scenes, but they STILL manage to throw in total goof things, like when Celtic jumps up off the ground... he looks like the stay-puffed marshmallow man! Just awkward, same with Grid. He will act like an alien, then act like a damn shrieking housecat. What gives? It's this constant back-and-forth that drives me totally insane about the movie.
I still own it, however, and for some reason still watch it. I am weak, the movies take advantage of me. I'll deal with their crap just to see the few scenes of awesomeness.
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to get flamed for this. I actually liked AvP better than Aliens. Only by a smidgen though. The thing that places AvP higher than Aliens on my list, is the fact the Aliens aren't just "bugs". One Aliens is showed taking down two Predators with relative ease. I feel they get more respect in this film than in Aliens, or Alien: Resurrection, and of course, AvPR. It just feels like a really powerful creature, especially when Grid lifts Gill into the air, the soundtrack was soooo epic, the scene was soooo EPIC. I literally had goosebumps crawling all over me, and then the headbite, and then Celtic turns around like "Time for an ass whooping." I was totally expecting the Alien to loose, but the way Grid overpowers and impales Celtic like that was just so......EPIC.
Really, the end fight was pretty cool too, but I still like the Queen vs. Powerloader fight. More epic.
It was a headbite that finished Celtic off. And that fight ending was BS, Celtic should've ended it.
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 05, 2010, 03:20:16 PM
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to get flamed for this. I actually liked AvP better than Aliens. Only by a smidgen though. The thing that places AvP higher than Aliens on my list, is the fact the Aliens aren't just "bugs". One Aliens is showed taking down two Predators with relative ease. I feel they get more respect in this film than in Aliens
The only buglike addition that Cameron added was the egglaying Queen and Hive. The whole insectile lifecycle of the Alien came before and was shown in Alien, and Ridley even used the analogy of an insect when describing the creature:
"It's like a rather beautiful, humanoid, biomechanoid insect," and
"Whether he [the Alien] could see, or simply sense like an insect, I didn't need ever have to answer that question".The Aliens also wipe out the Marines with one defensive maneouver (the Hive) and one offensive (Operations). They manage to employ ambush and kamikaze tactics and for the most part, whenever someone injures or kills an Alien, they get injured or killed in the process (Lex killing that Alien with the spear was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.) About respect, Aliens' Aliens were truer designwise to Giger than ADI's, I think that means something (could be a personal thing, I love the biomechanical manbeast, and some prefer the hunched, slimy, fleshy thing). Aside from Grid, I don't see any real tactics or intelligence from AVP's Aliens. They're just... there.
There, you've been flamed! Mwhaha! :D
Haha. Did you read the rest?
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 05, 2010, 04:09:39 PM
Haha. Did you read the rest?
Yeah, just got twitchy fingers and HAD to address that. I'm all for you getting excited... erm... I mean... y'know... I was trying to be logical! :)
I liked AVP more. AVPR is shit. Even though AVP has basically NO gore and AVPR DOES, the acting, the lighting, and the Predator effortlessly being able to mass slaughter aliens, is the shittiest shit I have EVER seen. Period. I mean, the aliens (Save for chet), were basically walking turds. They did nothing but get killed. The design for the Predalien was utterly terrible. The acting makes me wanna shoot myself. When the army woman shoots the alien off the helicopter, the way she yells "DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEE!!" Makes me cringe. I just can't get over how horrible the acting is. I couldn't see shit because it was so. damn. dark. And back to the complete slaughter of aliens, in the sewer when Wolf is holding two aliens by the neck, they just sit there and do nothing while he targets them with his pulse cannons. I mean, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR TAILS??? They could have both stabbed him repeatedly with their tails. The predator in this movie, (WOLF) is way to overpowered. (Just like in the 2010 game) As Ive said before, Wolf is the incest lovechild of two predator-biased fanboys. I wish the brothers Strausse would burn for making this movie. Wolf is able to beat down an alien and take about 15 seconds (15 seconds that could easily be used by the alien to STAB HIM WITH ITS TAIL OR AT LEAST TRY TO GET UP) to get out his acid-melty stuff and pour it on the alien. And while they tried to make wolf look like a badass by removing all his gear for about 45 seconds, the predalien just stands there and watches him as does nothing. When I saw this in the theaters, I jumped up and screamed, WHAT THE HELL!?!?! And everyone LITERALLY EVERYONE started booing. It is easy to see that I hate this movie with a passion. My aunt got me a copy for my birthday, I said thank you and I took it home and sold it on ebay to some poor soul who probably found out that it was NOT worth the money. That movie is so terrible, it makes Plan 9 From outer Space look like the original alien.
Acting: -2 Absolutely Terrible
Special Effects: 5 Actually OK
Story: -4 I find the fact that 25-30 Aliens getting slaughtered like pigs by a LONE predator ABSOLUTELY ridiculous
Lighting: -3 Couldn't see shit
Direction: -10 Hate the Brothers Strausse most of all
Overall: -5 Utter waste of a movie and one of the worst I have ever seen.
I finally saw AVPR, so I can finally vote :D I prefer AVP. AVP has more of a story, and (dare I say it) more likable characters. AVPR is a fun movie to watch when it comes on TV, but sometimes, when I have nothing to do, I like to just sit there and kill time and watch AVP. I don't see myself doing that with AVPR, mostly because I absolutely hate the whole hospital scene. That scene took things way too far with the alien lifecycle and and pushed the limits on how messed up a film should get. So anyways, both are enjoyable, but AVP felt more like an actual movie.
Its about time you saw it. :D
Yeah, I see how they were trying to be edgy and kill babies and what not but it was not effective at all due to their directing.
Even with good direction, I would still hate that. That is just so messed up, and completely...wrong.
I still like both, AVP amuses the fan girl in me and AVPR amuses the blood and gore monster in me
XD
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 08, 2010, 01:52:41 AM
Even with good direction, I would still hate that. That is just so messed up, and completely...wrong.
How is it any different from killing a full grown man?
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 08, 2010, 01:59:41 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 08, 2010, 01:52:41 AM
Even with good direction, I would still hate that. That is just so messed up, and completely...wrong.
How is it any different from killing a full grown man?
A full grown man can fight back. A baby can't.
I actually like the hospital scene.
It shows the horrible nature of the Aliens and how they don't give a shit what they do as long is it means their race survives.
It helps put the horror back in the franchise which was unfortunately lost in AVP.
Fantastic part of the movie.
They killed a bunch of kids in Aliens too. We don't need to see a pregnant woman's belly explode as a result of a f**ktarded, unjustifiable, and altogether creatively void change to the life cycle in order to know Aliens "don't give a shit". When did they ever indicate otherwise?
Quote from: First Blood on Jul 08, 2010, 02:22:41 AM
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 08, 2010, 01:59:41 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 08, 2010, 01:52:41 AM
Even with good direction, I would still hate that. That is just so messed up, and completely...wrong.
How is it any different from killing a full grown man?
A full grown man can fight back. A baby can't.
That's true but a life is a life no matter what.
Quote from: SM on Jul 08, 2010, 03:12:29 AM
They killed a bunch of kids in Aliens too.
Exactly. So, why doesn't everyone start criticizing that?
Oh I know why, coz AVP:R is easy to pick on.
Quote from: samoht on Jul 08, 2010, 03:27:44 AM
Exactly. So, why doesn't everyone start criticizing that?
Because it wasn't done on-screen. And it wasn't done for shock-value.
Yeah it wasn't cheap and nasty.
QuoteOh I know why, coz AVP:R is easy to pick on.
Yep. Shitty films often are.
The problem isn't with a child or preggy dying. It's about how it's done on-screen. I had no problem with either but if the Brothers wanted a better effect on the audience, they should have put more thought into it.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 08, 2010, 03:30:58 AM
Quote from: samoht on Jul 08, 2010, 03:27:44 AM
Exactly. So, why doesn't everyone start criticizing that?
Because it wasn't done on-screen. And it wasn't done for shock-value.
IMO the shock value was good.
Simply adding something for the sake of adding something is never a good thing. Especially in a terrible movie.
Yes I think shock value has it's place, but not in a movie that has already been laughably marauding around the screen in it's B-Movie underwear for an hour. :'( It's like putting some emotional rape scene in a stupid comedy movie and expecting the audience to suddenly be all dramatic. Fail. It's just sick.. needs to be conveyed in the proper emotional context.
well guys it seems like the avp series can't get any worse than it already is
in 2012:
A Micheal Bay film
Alien vs. Predator
revange of wolf octopus
dierected by:
Micheal bay
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 08, 2010, 03:57:46 AM
The problem isn't with a child or preggy dying. It's about how it's done on-screen. I had no problem with either but if the Brothers wanted a better effect on the audience, they should have put more thought into it.
There is also the context in which she is "impregnated" by the alien; which just makes this already poorly executed scene even worse.
They played it way over the top though. It would have been much better, IMO, if they just showed a pregnant woman who had already been killed via bursting, and show a nursery rooms sans babies and covered in blood. If you really want to show the bursting, just do it quick. Lingering on it just makes it less shocking by the second.
How was the context no good? She was in a vulnerable position, and the Predalien saw an opportunity to breed more hosts. Unless you're commenting on the impregnation method on the whole.
I agree with Eidotemit here, if they would have maybe just flashed at the birth real quick like, same with the women screaming and etc (I'm talking flashes here)... I think it would have played out much better. Would have been scary, disturbing, and retained a sense of mystery without going "here, look at this!"
To me the movie didn't hold much dramatic value, and it wanted you to care about the characters only as much as you do in, say, slasher films. So I got into 'blood and guts' mode only to see something that honestly personally offends me while also being so strangely outside of Alien canon that I'm confused as well as angry, not just more movie violence, and it's not going to work on the emotional appeal level.
The first thing I thought of was not how savage or creepy the aliens were, but how large of Jackasses the brothers were. That's not what they were going for, I think.
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jul 08, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
To me the movie didn't hold much dramatic value, and it wanted you to care about the characters only as much as you do in, say, slasher films.
That's another terrible thing in this film. The Alien and Predator movies have always been about likable, realistic, memorable characters that you care about. This movie had none of that. Granted, neither did AvP.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 09, 2010, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jul 08, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
To me the movie didn't hold much dramatic value, and it wanted you to care about the characters only as much as you do in, say, slasher films.
That's another terrible thing in this film. The Alien and Predator movies have always been about likable, realistic, memorable characters that you care about. This movie had none of that. Granted, neither did AvP.
You had to expect this from AvP-R though, they never tried to hide it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 08, 2010, 02:29:40 PM
How was the context no good? She was in a vulnerable position, and the Predalien saw an opportunity to breed more hosts. Unless you're commenting on the impregnation method on the whole.
Possibly the way the scene was done methinks.
Quote from: Basher917 on Jul 08, 2010, 12:35:23 PM
well guys it seems like the avp series can't get any worse than it already is
in 2012:
A Micheal Bay film
Alien vs. Predator
revange of wolf octopus
dierected by:
Micheal bay
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HE WILL CONQUER US AAAALLLLL
Funny, because that's pretty much my impression of Mr. Black'nBlue.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 09, 2010, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jul 08, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
To me the movie didn't hold much dramatic value, and it wanted you to care about the characters only as much as you do in, say, slasher films.
That's another terrible thing in this film. The Alien and Predator movies have always been about likable, realistic, memorable characters that you care about. This movie had none of that. Granted, neither did AvP.
AVP had Weyland and Miller, who were at least on the verge of having you care about them. At the very least they had good enough actors, just not a good enough script.
i watched AVP again and i remember that Charles Bishop Wayland was more like bishop the android in personality, not really the other bishops that are suppose to be portrayed evil
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Jul 09, 2010, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 09, 2010, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: RagingDragon on Jul 08, 2010, 04:08:06 PM
To me the movie didn't hold much dramatic value, and it wanted you to care about the characters only as much as you do in, say, slasher films.
That's another terrible thing in this film. The Alien and Predator movies have always been about likable, realistic, memorable characters that you care about. This movie had none of that. Granted, neither did AvP.
AVP had Weyland and Miller, who were at least on the verge of having you care about them. At the very least they had good enough actors, just not a good enough script.
Yeah, but that's two people, and there wasn't much development for either of them. But that is two more than
that film had.
I was pissed off when Maxwell got impaled. You just don't do that to The Salmon. :(
So that's three for me.
Wait, was Miller the Scotsman and Maxwell the security guy?
Yar. I think.
Okay, I sorta agree with you then. Still, compare three semi-interesting characters to seven extremely interesting ones in Alien, eight in Predator, and four or five in Aliens (more if you really like the film).
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Enough said.
AVP - dreadful, but the lesser of two evils.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jul 10, 2010, 01:12:08 AM
I was pissed off when Maxwell got impaled. You just don't do that to The Salmon. :(
So that's three for me.
He always ends up getting sliced to pieces in Anderson's films anyway... ;D
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 09, 2010, 09:58:42 AM
Funny, because that's pretty much my impression of Mr. Black'nBlue.
You mean the
Black Super Squid?
Spoiler
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I honestly really liked AvP.
What is AvPR?
Ok are you serious?
Quote from: Mr. Self Destruct on Jul 10, 2010, 10:55:19 AM
I honestly really liked AvP.
What is AvPR?
eer...what alien and predator movies
have you seen?
AVPR is Aliens vs predator Reqium. Alien vs predators sequel. ;)
Seen all Alien and Predator movies. Never heard of this "Aliens vs Predator Requiem" you guys keep bringing up and apparently saying it sucks so bad, probably best I have never heard of or seen any signs or traces of its existence.
And yes, AvP rocked my socks. The only thing I didn't really like about AvP were the Predators, but then again all Predators are gay, so... lol.
Ok your either trolling or stupid.
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jul 10, 2010, 12:33:30 PM
Ok your either trolling or stupid.
Just because I like AvP, that automatically makes me either a troll or an idiot? How mature.
You're probably a Pred-fan, 'tis why you dislike AvP so much.
I liked AvP, infact, I liked it as much as Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, AND Aliens.
I was talking about the fact that you don't know what avp:r is.
(Continues ignoring AvPR's existence.)
I have no idea what you are talking about. ???
Yup, you're being an idiot.
Quote from: Mr. Self Destruct on Jul 10, 2010, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jul 10, 2010, 12:33:30 PM
Ok your either trolling or stupid.
Just because I like AvP, that automatically makes me either a troll or an idiot? How mature.
You're probably a Pred-fan, 'tis why you dislike AvP so much.
I liked AvP, infact, I liked it as much as Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, AND Aliens.
You said
Aliens twice.
:D FAIL
I meant to say Alien.
Watch AVP:R. Its worth watching.
Quote from: samoht on Jul 11, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Watch AVP:R. Its worth watching.
I agree with this statement
It's good for a laugh. Or an aneurysm.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 11, 2010, 05:56:38 AM
It's good for a laugh. Or an aneurysm.
You seem to be in a good mood. That is the most positive thing I have ever seen you say about AvP-R.
Quote from: samoht on Jul 11, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Watch AVP:R. Its worth watching.
I agree...especially if you wanna see some heads explode ;D
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 11, 2010, 05:52:44 AM
Quote from: samoht on Jul 11, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Watch AVP:R. Its worth watching.
I agree with this statement
I agree with this statement
AVP1:
+ Good anticipation
+ Notable characters
+ Tyrannosaurus Queen
+ Good fights
+ Penguin scene
- Pred/human teamup (different and had potntial, but sucked in this film)
- Grid/Gill scene ...
- Cheezy acting
- Stupid pyramid/antarctic concept
AVPR:
+ Wolf's awesome
+ Plenty of fights (short, but satisfying)
- Bad acting (That kid at the beginning makes me f**king cringe)
- Lousy, mostly uneeded characters
- Predalien
- Added a - for lulz
AVP's more interesting, but AVPR's more fun for a night with friends ...
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 11, 2010, 05:59:57 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 11, 2010, 05:56:38 AM
It's good for a laugh. Or an aneurysm.
You seem to be in a good mood. That is the most positive thing I have ever seen you say about AvP-R.
Don't get used to it. I'm starting to remember Wolf bitch-slapping some Aliens to death.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 11, 2010, 05:52:44 AM
Quote from: samoht on Jul 11, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Watch AVP:R. Its worth watching.
I agree with this statement
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Grid killing Gill was probably the best few seconds of AvP.
Quote from: Shark_Predator on Jul 11, 2010, 06:34:29 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 11, 2010, 05:52:44 AM
Quote from: samoht on Jul 11, 2010, 05:45:49 AM
Watch AVP:R. Its worth watching.
I agree with this statement
I agree with this statement
AVP1:
+ Good anticipation
+ Notable characters
+ Tyrannosaurus Queen
+ Good fights
+ Penguin scene
- Pred/human teamup (different and had potntial, but sucked in this film)
- Grid/Gill scene ...
- Cheezy acting
- Stupid pyramid/antarctic concept
AVPR:
+ Wolf's awesome
+ Plenty of fights (short, but satisfying)
- Bad acting (That kid at the beginning makes me f**king cringe)
- Lousy, mostly uneeded characters
- Predalien
- Added a - for lulz
AVP's more interesting, but AVPR's more fun for a night with friends ...
Agreed.
I have to go with AVP. The quality of the lighting, sets, general design, technology, acting, script etc etc were superior in every way to AVPR. Despite the fact that the gore and death reality level in AVP were pathetic at least it was a grand looking film. AVPR, for me was let down by a B grade cheapness which I couldn't get over, along with gore so over the top it couldn't be taken seriously. These films should be Science Fiction with a horror twist, not the other way around.
AVPPros & Cons
Pros
Great fight scenes
Intelligent vindictive aliens
Aliens with translucent cowls
Superior effects
Tie in with Human / Predator culture
Classic Queen Alien (Even though she's too big)
Elder Preds
Flying face hugger
First big screen teaser of a Predalien
Cons
Gestation time (Unforgivable and easily fixed)
Rated G Gore
Alien tail is how long?
Sluggish Preds
Selective acid blood
AVPRPros & Cons
Pros
More Pred Tech (ships, laser mapping)
Pred whip
Better Pred Action
Blink and you'll miss it view of toddler chestbursters
Cons
Aliens week as piss
Predalian looks more Pred than Alien
Flesh coloured Predalien
DREADLOCKS LOOKED TERRIBLE
Predalien breeding method
Aliens sooooo rubbery
Predator magic erase liquid WTF!
^ Brego, I couldn't help but notice you rated both films cuz of ONLY the Aliens and Preds. Not cuz of story, acting, or dialogue ...
Not that that's a bad thing, since we're A/P fans, but I'm suprised AVPR's terrible acting and characters weren't on either cons OR pros for your list.
Voted for AvPR just because Wolf was so badass!
Quote from: Shark_Predator on Jul 12, 2010, 02:39:05 PM
Not that that's a bad thing, since we're A/P fans, but I'm suprised AVPR's terrible acting and characters weren't on either cons OR pros for your list.
Goes without saying? :P
Sorry Shark Predetor you are correct, the acting was so, so in AVPR but look what the actors had to work with........ It was the diaglog that sucked in my book.
AVP - if you like National Geographic with little fight scenes.. watch this..
AVR - if you want blood, killing and an elite pred that doesn't die in 5 seconds of the film.. watch this.
AVPR for me! always.
If you want competent Aliens, watch AvP.
If you want competent Predators ... shit, still watch AvP.
If you want competent Predators, make your own damn movie.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2010, 04:46:42 AM
If you want competent Aliens, watch AvP.
By what stretch of the imagination are those Aliens competent?
Ohj, they killed 2 Predators and freed a Queen from her imprisonment. Nothing.
I remember seeing an Alien swing his claws and tail at a Pred, roll around after getting kicked, hiss and scream before lunging at a Predator, stand there while a buddy of theirs was attacking a Predator, lay on the Predator's back when it had a chance to headbite it, and jump onto a spear.
I remember seeing one kill 2 Predators in less than 4 minutes.
Your point? It got manhandled and in the end survived because of it's opponent made a fatal mistake.
Got manhandled and manhandled. Two opponents of near equal strength going at it - the fight looked like how it should.
Except random swinging and rolling.
As a hardcore fan of the Predator character and movies, I can honestly say that the fanboys need to f**king stop bitching and moaning about 1 Alien killing 2 Predators. In fact there should have never been any complaints in the first place. This is based purely on the fact that if Danny "I'm getting too old for this Color Purple shit" Glover can kill 1 Predator all by himself, then an Alien should sure as f**k have the ability to kill 2 of them as well.
Especially if they're forced into CQC conditions.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 14, 2010, 06:34:32 AM
Except random swinging and rolling.
That's pretty much how real fights go when you get on the ground. You try to get on top of the other guy, which is exactly what they were doing.
I was talking about the wierd no contact exchange while standing and Grid's reaction to the kick that sent him flying.
Eh, it was more embarrassing watching them stand up and trade. That was random swinging.
No it wasn't. Celtic took a few swings with his wristblades and Grid blocked the shots with his tail.
It was random swinging. They were standing in square positions, no head movement, no real technique, nothing.
When you're in a real brawl, technique kinda goes out the window. And besides, I think if an Alien was shown using anything resembling technique it would look pretty f**king ridiculous. This isn't an MMA match.
The Predator should have been showing technique. And he didn't. And in a real brawl, you'd best be moving if you don't what your ass kicked. Neither creature did that.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jul 14, 2010, 10:37:44 PM
When you're in a real brawl, technique kinda goes out the window. And besides, I think if an Alien was shown using anything resembling technique it would look pretty f**king ridiculous. This isn't an MMA match.
Which in itself, looks pretty ridiculous to begin with.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 14, 2010, 11:09:52 PM
The Predator should have been showing technique. And he didn't. And in a real brawl, you'd best be moving if you don't what your ass kicked. Neither creature did that.
Did you happen to watch the final battle between Dutch and Anytime? You see those strikes Anytime threw?.. Yeah, they didn't look like they had much technique to me - looked pretty damn goofy and awkward actually. Sure that was quite the brutal beatdown, but it wasn't the most impressive from a technical standpoint.
Preds aren't fighters, they're brawlers and hunters.
Ah, you mean rednecks :P
Pretty much.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jul 14, 2010, 10:37:44 PM
And besides, I think if an Alien was shown using anything resembling technique it would look pretty f**king ridiculous.
I can imagine an Alien being wily enough to stay just outside of an enemy's range, looking for a chance to make a serpent-like strike with it's tail or claws. It all depends on execution.
AVP had a good idea with Grid's parrying Celt, but it wasn't executed well. Like
DoomRulz said, they didn't move around enough.
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jul 15, 2010, 04:04:44 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 14, 2010, 11:09:52 PM
The Predator should have been showing technique. And he didn't. And in a real brawl, you'd best be moving if you don't what your ass kicked. Neither creature did that.
Did you happen to watch the final battle between Dutch and Anytime? You see those strikes Anytime threw?.. Yeah, they didn't look like they had much technique to me - looked pretty damn goofy and awkward actually. Sure that was quite the brutal beatdown, but it wasn't the most impressive from a technical standpoint.
Anytime was just toying with Dutch. The lack of technique was probably deliberate, to show off his dominance.
AVP for me coz it has a good story compare to the AVPR.. It builds up every character to the movie (humans, Aliens, and Predators) on the other hand,
AVPR has useless human characters. The only thing I liked in AVPR was Wolf (coz he is totally bad ass) he wiped out all those aliens single handedly like a pro! And the Predalien looks menacing!
Can we just agree that both were crap, although i voted AvP because it seems like AvP R was just made to be a gore fest with lame shock value, the fights, if they can be called that, were too fricken short. And no one won in the end what the hell was that?
Quote from: StealthHunter on Jul 15, 2010, 04:04:44 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 14, 2010, 11:09:52 PM
The Predator should have been showing technique. And he didn't. And in a real brawl, you'd best be moving if you don't what your ass kicked. Neither creature did that.
Did you happen to watch the final battle between Dutch and Anytime? You see those strikes Anytime threw?.. Yeah, they didn't look like they had much technique to me - looked pretty damn goofy and awkward actually. Sure that was quite the brutal beatdown, but it wasn't the most impressive from a technical standpoint.
Do you show technique when you're swatting a fly? How about when you're facing someone as big as you?
Exactly.
QuoteDo you show technique when you're swatting a fly?
Hai. I don't swat. I catch with chopstick, Doom-san.
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Quote from: SM on Jul 16, 2010, 12:07:13 AM
QuoteDo you show technique when you're swatting a fly?
Hai. I don't swat. I catch with chopstick, Doom-san.
You and your chap-saki...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 16, 2010, 02:45:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Jul 16, 2010, 12:07:13 AM
QuoteDo you show technique when you're swatting a fly?
Hai. I don't swat. I catch with chopstick, Doom-san.
You and your chap-saki...
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Diamond Dave approves.
I notice his arse is hanging out.
Of his chaps.
Hence his approval of chap saki.
Expecting a Predator to be a martial arts expert makes as much sense as expecting a human hunter to be an expert at kung fu.
Well, Predators do like mano-a-mano fights and according to Noland they are quick learners. I wouldn't be surprised if some Predators copied some moves from their prey. And they have a rather good amount of blades in their arsenal.
Quote from: Dusk on Jul 16, 2010, 08:51:21 AM
Well, Predators do like mano-a-mano fights
They like wailing on things they know are physically weaker than them.
A predator doesn't need close combat technique. Its pretty much like saying a deer hunter needs combat training.
Sorry. I think someone above already said something like this.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2010, 09:05:06 AM
They like wailing on things they know are physically weaker than them.
'Cept Aliens.
the more i think of it, AVP did have a more frightening picture quality to it than AVP-R. the enviroment in AVP was just creepy.
Except didn't have a score that was creepy enough to match.
Some bits do give the chills. Like the one you hear when Gridalien sprays its acid bloods through the tail.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2010, 06:20:22 AM
Expecting a Predator to be a martial arts expert makes as much sense as expecting a human hunter to be an expert at kung fu.
I don't mean a martial artists. That's just dumb. But at least some basic boxing would make a little sense. That's not unreasonable. Even the average joe knows how to throw a punch, usually.
Maybe in the old days. Now all they can throw are tantrums.
I like avp alien vs. predator more than avpr alien vs. predator: requiem.
I think both movies are great. Avp had a better story, A-list actors and a bigger scale. Avpr had more blood, music and sound effects like the alien and predator movies and predalien (the predalien is a great hybrid. Better than the newborn in alien resurrection). I think the best thing about avp is a-list actors and actresses. I think the best thing about avpr is r rating.
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 17, 2010, 08:37:35 AM
Maybe in the old days. Now all they can throw are tantrums.
Well if they're drunk, yeah.
If they were drunk, they'd probably have a better shot at it.
Quote from: Jody=Geek on Jul 18, 2010, 02:48:10 AM
(the predalien is a great hybrid. Better than the newborn in alien resurrection)
...Except it is simply an Alien that came out of a Predator, as opposed to the newborn who is really a hybrid.
It's called a hybrid to emphasize the combining of two semi-historic movie monsters. And because Predalien sounds like shit.
I find the other way around really.
If they call the predalien a hybrid then they should call all Aliens hybrids. But they do not.
I think avp-r was better because it had more of an open enviroment and more places the predator can hunt. I didnt really like the fact that there as no queen in the movie but i still liked how more and more aliens were over-running the town. I thought one cool part was when the survivors grouped up in one big crowd with weapons and held of there.
Spoiler
I hate that they all died because of the bomb. i liked the sheriff
:-\
PREDATORS :D :D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 18, 2010, 09:07:35 AM
Quote from: Jody=Geek on Jul 18, 2010, 02:48:10 AM
(the predalien is a great hybrid. Better than the newborn in alien resurrection)
...Except it is simply an Alien that came out of a Predator, as opposed to the newborn who is really a hybrid.
Yes, I know. The predalien is more alien than predator. Predators are aliens, so it's still an alien. A hybrid of two species. I really dont understand why you quote me with your post. If you combine the DNA of any species, it will become a hybrid. Here's a link I found to information about the newborn http://www.anchorpointessays.com/newborn.html
I also found some information about the predalien http://www.predalien.com/
This is why I like the alien films so much. I like the science of it. The anatomy and the DNA of aliens are very interesting to me. I wish the predator movies had more science involved. The predalien was naturally DNA combined. The newborn went through the same process, but it's DNA was gentically enhanced by the scientist in alien resurrection. Alien 4 went far with scientific evolution, but I found it extremely interesting combining alien and human DNA. I think combining alien and predator DNA is more interestng. I also like the process and results of combining warm blood DNA with cold blood DNA. I like the newborn. I think the predalien looks more interestng.
AVP was a HORRIBLY done adaptation of AVP:Prey ( granted ... on Earth ... but the same thing more or less.)
AVP had weak lines , forced swearing , and comical looking Predators. Plus the Predator ( Scar) getting saved 3 times but Lex annoyed me.
However , that being said , AVP:R was utter garbage. Bad lighting , bad acting , lame Aliens and 1-D characters ... I won't go into Wolf or the overeused gore.
That being said ... one positive thing was Wolfs look. He was sleeker and more Predator looking then the Preds in AVP. Thats all I'll give this film. Maybe i'll give it props for having a(some) human villain(s) in it.
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Jul 18, 2010, 07:47:06 AM
If they were drunk, they'd probably have a better shot at it.
Not in my experience. But that's a story for another time...
Quote from: Jody=Geek on Jul 18, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
I really dont understand why you quote me with your post.
I responded to your post. The Predalien is no different than any other normal Alien and thus is an Alien, not a hybrid like the newborn. It is a hybrid, but in the sense of all the other Aliens'.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 19, 2010, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: Jody=Geek on Jul 18, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
I really dont understand why you quote me with your post.
I responded to your post. The Predalien is no different than any other normal Alien and thus is an Alien, not a hybrid like the newborn. It is a hybrid, but in the sense of all the other Aliens'.
Your right, the predalien is no different than the other aliens. Ofcourse it's an alien, because it's a life form that' not from earth. Hybrid means the result of combining the DNA of two species. Aliens and predators are all alien, but different kinds of alien. That's all im saying. Im done with this conversation.
He's saying it's Alien, with a capital A. On this site, it carries a much different meaning than simply alien.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 19, 2010, 09:09:27 AM
Quote from: Jody=Geek on Jul 18, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
I really dont understand why you quote me with your post.
I responded to your post. The Predalien is no different than any other normal Alien and thus is an Alien, not a hybrid like the newborn. It is a hybrid, but in the sense of all the other Aliens'.
The Predalien?
My two reviews I put on a film website... I gave AVP an angry 3/10 and AVPR an overly generous 6/10, maybe I should lower it to a five.
AVP
To be honest when i first heard the news that AVP was being directed by Paul W S Anderson i was sceptical, mainly because i'd witnessed Resident Evil... a movie which he seemed to lose interest in after about 15 minutes! Don't get me wrong, it had some nice ideas and a couple of nice little bits here and there but the more i watched the more i was horrified... and not in the good way.
As a big fan of the Alien and Predator films (apart from Resurrection)i remained positive, watching small clips of Paul on the internet telling us he was a big fan of the franchise blah blah blah. The trailer looked good too! (school boy error, if the trailer is good the film generally is bad) So i sat in my seat at the local cinema happy as larry... it was the first time i had ever had the privilege to witness an Alien or Predator film at a cinema, but both in the same film... a dream come true! My first annoyance was when the certificate came into view... a 15? The film hadn't even started yet!!! For these films we need the 18, the people who want to see this movie are the ones who were 18 in the first place or have grown up with the film... i deserve the right to witness a full 18 rated film... it's double the monsters, that means double the carnage... it should by all rights be double the rating! So as i watched i noticed the gore was lacking! Killing machines from another world armed with mops and sponges?! If there is less blood does this mean the swearing has been knocked off? One of the things i loved about Predator 2 was the bad script with a swear word thrown in here or there! With the lack of bad language when the only swear word near the end of the film is emitted from the heroines lips it just sounds lame!!! (A tear roles down my cheek) My major hope would have been they had taken the main idea for the film from the'Aliens Vs Predator' Dark Horse comic series (the Randy Stradley script one), or at least an edited version! Nicely in the distant future, with a made up planet, with big open areas to battle in! Some of the shots with the use of CGI would have been amazing. A predator running through an open area armed with a sword-staff thing facing a horde of aliens, not as a short flash back!!! My rating for this film was a 3, maybe a little harsh but i felt very let down. There were some really nice bits sure, i enjoyed the Queen Alien fight, the Kung fu face hugger bit... not so much the almost wrestling esquire one on one but there, like Resident Evil, were things i enjoyed in sections! The bit with the Predator space craft flying over the unsuspecting guards' head I loved, the opening tease shot of the satellite as well. The problem in general for this film was the little things that as a fan i picked up on. The over-weight Predators with overly long dreadlocks and tarted up expressions... they didn't look disgusting enough as well as the aliens looked a bit too CGI at times! The lack of blood, the lack of swearing, it all added up.
I tried to like this film, i really did... but my willing suspension of disbelief was no way strong enough!!! I even bought it on DVD to listen to the commentary in hope that Mr Anderson might say sorry... i was let down! I can see Paul W S Anderson in the future being quite a good director, but i wish he wouldn't practise and perfect his art with things I hold dear! p.s. My new annoyance with this film is that I have just spent all this amount of time writing about this film!
AVPR
I almost gave this film a far greater rating out of ten... mainly because of the trashing it has been given. However I felt that I had to be honest in my review or what was the point of it!? Once again I admit I got my hopes up for this film and once again I ignored my logic of listening to my heart and not my head! The unforgettable rule... excellent trailer, disappointing film. In my anticipation i must have watch the red band trailer several times and the official trailer just as many! The trailer was excellent! When I was younger, script and directing were very far down my list on a film, really it was all about the monster and the action! The thing this film hits on is the fantastic effects, the Predators are back to their basics and look the part as to the Aliens. I was dreading (no pun intended) the Pred-alien, worrying it would be a calamity of something like the new born in Alien Resurrection. I was very much pleased with the out come! Even the CGI looked pretty solid, possibly the odd point of obvious computer graphicary shone through but it is a very solid effort. If I was the age I were when I first saw predator or predator 2 (underage) I would of loved this one for a very long time indeed. This film I feel is more for that child in me that loved the imagination and the look of the creatures and the horror and power they would have on life if a part of reality.
However the child in me seems to be a blood thirsty one, so he was very happy! Though I question how this was a 15 in the UK... and maybe slightly worried it was! This was a blood soaked death affair which you do need in an Alien or Predator film. Some very cool deaths indeed pulling no punches what-so-ever! I have to say though even I was shocked as a couple but hey I guess I'm getting old! If you're expecting... do not watch this film! ;) While this ticked my boxes on action and blood (double ticked on the blood) I realised that the that's all the budget seemed to be on. The dialogue and acting was terrible, I'd sunk in my chair with embarrassment! On a lighter note this did mean I was definitely routing for the monsters from another planet!!! At least the government of the film realised the acting was so poor they decided to take out the whole town! Another problem I found was the directing. Though the action sequences were very well done I found the dialogue scenes just didn't work, i feel this might be the fact of brothers were possibly fresh off directing music videos but the cutting of the character conversing was just poor!? (worse than the grammar in this review) The film was also a bit on the too dark side, which was a shame to fact we missed out on some of the brilliant special effects. Another problem I found was there was absolutely no suspense to this film! I didn't mind this too much, it takes you on a ride and keeps the action fast and pacey but I just wasn't scared or worried or nervous. I watched and love or hated! This got me thinking, this could be a film that was maybe trying too hard to please the fans who were let down by the original. Trying to please everyone by having as much key iconic moments in one film as possible. From a signature skinning to a tough chick in a tank!? It's good attempt, gory & fast paced, definitely a step in the right direction for effects and creating a broader scale. However the more I think about and dissect it, the more black holes I find. It was almost like they read my review on the first AVP and made the changes I complained about... but they ignored everything else that was fine with the last one! I think one reviewer put it best, awful film, excellent movie!!! Brain go in fridge for this one! Fanboy's should be satisfied with this one as it's like an inner child has created it. Film geeks however won't enjoy the trashy scale! I still want more though of this franchise because if it's been this bad it can only get better! Just needs work on the suspense and acting and the finer details... possibly a bit more soul! I'll end with an 'on my knees begging' to the film industry! In the next one can the main hero be played by Bill Paxton please!!! He's been killed by Aliens and decapitated by Predators, I'd think it would be brilliant he managed to survive them next time! Plus he can act! P.S. Was it me or did anyone notice that the predator skinned around the meat n two veg when we see the body being zipped up in the body bag???!!! Or am I just warped!? Answers on a postcard...
even though with these old reviews i found and posted i'm gunning for avp:r, the question on which one is the better film as a whole has to be the AVP as the script, cast, direction and acting (to a degree) is far superior to AVP:R. However I had more fun watching the second installment.
But really at the end of the day both films are the rat in the hotdog compared to Predator 1/2 Alien,Aliens,Alien3
I think that a third AVP film needs to be made. IMO because I want a decent movie before the franchise ( AVP) shuts down.
It's already been shut down. Davis said as much almost a year ago.
AVP had a worse story, weak predators, and all the good characters died. AVPR, kick ass predator, predalien that looked cool, dumb way of making new aliens, less cgi making it look more like the classic movies, too dark, and dumb nuke by humans ending, if the predator nuked the town it would have been fine but no, the government did, not the best post 9/11 plan. Each movie has its strengths, and flaws, AVPR just seemed a little better, I liked the characters more, barely, I definatley liked the predator more, and the predalien had a show down with wolf that was pretty epic. Scar should have had a fight with grid. Oh well the queen was cool.
Can AvP really have a worse story? That film didn't really have one.
No, it had one. It was Critters with Aliens and a Predator. Only that the plot was really, really reduced to bone with crap actors.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 20, 2010, 08:47:33 AM
No, it had one. It was Critters with Aliens and a Predator. Only that the plot was really, really reduced to bone with crap actors.
AVPR was built like a horror movie, like a Halloween or Firday the 13th where some mid-western small town gets attacked by some evil monster.That's why the thing sucked, there was almost no atmosphere of a film where two space aliens are fighting each other except, of course, the fact there monsters in this horror film were two space aliens.
No, come think of it.
A ship crashes in a town, unleashing a bunch of evil Alien Monsters (critters/aliens).
An Alien (of a different species) comes in to clean the mess (cleaner humanoid/Wolf Predator).
Ah, the originality! And Critters while being a 80's B-Movie beats the crap out of AvPR anytime.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 21, 2010, 10:26:02 AM
No, come think of it.
A ship crashes in a town, unleashing a bunch of evil Alien Monsters (critters/aliens).
An Alien (of a different species) comes in to clean the mess (cleaner humanoid/Wolf Predator).
Ah, the originality! And Critters while being a 80's B-Movie beats the crap out of AvPR anytime.
Yes, that's the whole template of horror, a small town get's attacked by some random unknown monster. Whether it's a space monster or some nutter running around doesn't change the base it was built on. They are horror films.
That's not the template of horror; that's the template of slasher. There's a difference.
wish Avpr wasnt so dark, so i could ya know see whats happening...... Still better then watching scar and his brothers fail at everything but kill six dudes with handguns, gee that was impressive.
AvP-R for a few reasons.
Rated R, Wolf Predator, a alien doesn't kill 2 Predators by himself, it takes longer than 10 mins for a alien to form into a drone(nice one Paul Anderson >:( ), the Predator(s) don't look as if they have been shot up on steroids, dual plasma cannons (a fanboy wish), and finally the Predator in Requiem acts as a actual Predator instead of the incompetent Fearsome Threesome Paul Anderson graced us with.
...Because the AvPR Aliens took a lot of time to completely molt, right?
Yeah longer. If I'm not correct a time lapse happened of a night or so which would be plenty of time for a alien to grow, not 10 mins like in AvP.
Quote from: Brian the Wolf on Jul 22, 2010, 12:11:46 AM
wish Avpr wasnt so dark, so i could ya know see whats happening...... Still better then watching scar and his brothers fail at everything but kill six dudes with handguns, gee that was impressive.
I fixed that problem COMPLETELY by buying the blu ray version and watching it in the dark. Far better when you can see everything.
This is very very close for me. I'd end up going with AVPR because of the Predators themselves and the better atmosphere. The director for AVP is biased towards Xenoes and what I heard is that is why Celtic lost the fight to Grid and also why there was a Alien "hero" in the first place. AVPR for me.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 22, 2010, 02:44:56 AM
AvP-R for a few reasons.
Rated R, Wolf Predator, a alien doesn't kill 2 Predators by himself, it takes longer than 10 mins for a alien to form into a drone(nice one Paul Anderson >:( ), the Predator(s) don't look as if they have been shot up on steroids, dual plasma cannons (a fanboy wish), and finally the Predator in Requiem acts as a actual Predator instead of the incompetent Fearsome Threesome Paul Anderson graced us with.
How many Preds did Chet kill?
What?
Quote from: kelgaard on Jul 22, 2010, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 22, 2010, 02:44:56 AM
AvP-R for a few reasons.
Rated R, Wolf Predator, a alien doesn't kill 2 Predators by himself, it takes longer than 10 mins for a alien to form into a drone(nice one Paul Anderson >:( ), the Predator(s) don't look as if they have been shot up on steroids, dual plasma cannons (a fanboy wish), and finally the Predator in Requiem acts as a actual Predator instead of the incompetent Fearsome Threesome Paul Anderson graced us with.
How many Preds did Chet kill?
BuT thAT alieen wuz part predatOr, so thats y it wuz soo strong!!1!!111!oneone!1
lol, Just kidding :P
but seriously, I like AVP better than AVPR because the creatures were balanced. That made the fight scenes entertaining. In AVPR, except for the Predalien, the Aliens couldn't even hurt the Predator.
Ah the Predalien..........well every Predator from that ship are pusscakes. If a Alien can walk up behind them and kill them they deserve to die. Wolf was a consummate professional took out the Predalien all by his lonesome. Plus I don't mind the Predalien raping to a degree she is a lot more powerful than a useless drone. Half the reason why the grid alien killing the 2 predators pisses me off so much is that in the end the grid alien goes out like a bitch just like all the other drones. There was no purpose to him.
Except the Predalien is a drone; go figure.
A queen I thought or some hybrid. Either way I have to believe a PredAlien drone is stronger than a regular drone. For the obvious reasons.
Quote from: kelgaard on Jul 22, 2010, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 22, 2010, 02:44:56 AM
AvP-R for a few reasons.
Rated R, Wolf Predator, a alien doesn't kill 2 Predators by himself, it takes longer than 10 mins for a alien to form into a drone(nice one Paul Anderson >:( ), the Predator(s) don't look as if they have been shot up on steroids, dual plasma cannons (a fanboy wish), and finally the Predator in Requiem acts as a actual Predator instead of the incompetent Fearsome Threesome Paul Anderson graced us with.
How many Preds did Chet kill?
Chet was meant to be a step above the Predators. The Strause brothers explained this in an interview.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 22, 2010, 11:28:00 PM
A queen I thought or some hybrid. Either way I have to believe a PredAlien drone is stronger than a regular drone. For the obvious reasons.
The Runner didn't seem to have much different strength than a regular Alien; why should the Predalien? Sure, it might be a little different, but it is still an Alien, the only difference being the host. It's not like it's in a different caste that's higher than the rest, or something like that.
Quote from: The Demon on Jul 22, 2010, 11:53:14 PM
Quote from: kelgaard on Jul 22, 2010, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 22, 2010, 02:44:56 AM
AvP-R for a few reasons.
Rated R, Wolf Predator, a alien doesn't kill 2 Predators by himself, it takes longer than 10 mins for a alien to form into a drone(nice one Paul Anderson >:( ), the Predator(s) don't look as if they have been shot up on steroids, dual plasma cannons (a fanboy wish), and finally the Predator in Requiem acts as a actual Predator instead of the incompetent Fearsome Threesome Paul Anderson graced us with.
How many Preds did Chet kill?
Chet was meant to be a step above the Predators. The Strause brothers explained this in an interview.
And the Strauses also said the Predalien is a hybrid. A
hybrid. You believe that too?
Don't forget that Predators reproduce by vomiting down each other's throats. :-X
Yeah, that too. I dunno...even though Requiem is by far the more faulty movie, it's still more fun for me to watch than AvP.
I agree sir.
AVP or AVPR?
PRDATORS :D :D
Mindsplosion
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 22, 2010, 10:56:10 PMExcept the Predalien, the Aliens couldn't even hurt the Predator.
Uhhhhh the power plant scene.....
Knocking him down an elavator? Tackling him in the sewers, I say that had to hurt a little bit....
Unlike AVP: Redemption(only mentioned for those that say the fan film is less biased)
I like both AVP & AVPR. C'mon, it's been almost 3 years since the last release of these movies. Time to let go of the hate. Plus maybe we'll get another AVP movie after the release of the two Alien prequels and the Predators sequel. :-\
How can we let go the hate it is still a bad movie. ::)
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jul 24, 2010, 02:10:58 PM
How can we let go the hate it is still a bad movie. ::)
Only compared to the previous entries, but in general when you compare them to other movies of it's type, they aren't so bad.
Not stopping you from liking it, what you said can kind of be applied to rez but not to avpr it had a awful story full of plot holes and pointless things like the burster lady whats the point of that scene and the fact that they have five characters that all there, their for is to die a pointless death, and don't even get me started on the army scene. Though you could be right about avp but that is never really hated just not liked.
If there's one thing that bugged the hell outta me in Requiem more than anything else, it was the Predator intentionally blowing a hole in the ship. Like...WTF.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 03:16:23 PM
If there's one thing that bugged the hell outta me in Requiem more than anything else, it was the Predator intentionally blowing a hole in the ship. Like...WTF.
Maybe he was trying to destroy the ship and the Predalien with it? Or I'm just trying to apply logic to a completely ilogical movie.
No, he fired at the Predalien which jumped out of the way.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 03:16:23 PM
If there's one thing that bugged the hell outta me in Requiem more than anything else, it was the Predator intentionally blowing a hole in the ship. Like...WTF.
If I'm right about what scene your referring to I think the Predator aimed at the Predalien he shot the Predalien dodged ran off and the shot hit the inside of the ship.
F*ck shot fires twice.
Once at the Predalien, that misses.
Then, due to crappy editing. The Predator seems to turn (he's standing in a hall, when he first fires, so basically he turns and faces a wall) and fire again.
The ship assplodes and crashes.
He was willing to kill himself to kill the abomination, that simple. His plan just didnt work his aimed for th predalien both time and missed twice, he was injured, called wolf and then killed. Whats retarded is why didnt the predalien take his mask off and let one of the loose face huggers get him? Then there could be two predaliens.
For that matter, why didn't one of the huggers go after him itself? The mask would be no obstacle, we've already seen that huggers can defeat astronaut helmets and cryotubes, I'm sure they could pry off an injured Pred's mask easily.
Im sure the preds have some sort of protection in their masks, but ya, thats something that always bothered me. It would have been cool to see Wolf kill one of the predaliens earlier in the movie only to be surprised by chet at the end
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 24, 2010, 09:17:03 PM
F*ck shot fires twice.
Once at the Predalien, that misses.
Then, due to crappy editing. The Predator seems to turn (he's standing in a hall, when he first fires, so basically he turns and faces a wall) and fire again.
The ship assplodes and crashes.
Yeah, I figured he was shooting at the Predalien a 2nd time but the editing really sucked.
QuoteIf there's one thing that bugged the hell outta me in Requiem more than anything else, it was the Predator intentionally blowing a hole in the ship. Like...WTF.
"I want outta this shitty film NOW!!"
That Pred blowing a hole into the ship might even be dumber than wolf... and that's something.
It's so irrational, after all what we've known about the Preds rather killing themselves in action than bringing shame on them, the Strauses let a Pred fire a hole into his ship... argh it still makes me furious.
They needed some illogical way to get that ship to Earth.
Quote from: First Blood on Jul 26, 2010, 03:11:22 AM
They needed some illogical way to get that ship to Earth.
^This lol, when the sideship detached they were near Saturn.
Well, Saturn's only a few dozen AUs away from Earth...
Wouildn't it have been wiser to actually detach the ship and fire the f**ker INTO Saturn?
But remember, the shit didn't hit the fan until the dropship was back near Earth.
*sigh* we haven't forgotten... we haven't...
My guess is the ship was traveling faster than we realize.
LUDICROUS SPEED!!! GOOOOO!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frubystuff.org%2Fludicrous%2Fplaid.jpg&hash=b6f6773b1c88d4d2b45610ebcc68db6de3ea87b2)
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 27, 2010, 12:17:42 AM
*sigh* we haven't forgotten... we haven't...
I had.
I didn't see no plaid!
Quote from: SM on Jul 27, 2010, 12:36:52 AM
http://rubystuff.org/ludicrous/plaid.jpg
Quote from: Tangakkai on Jul 27, 2010, 12:17:42 AM
*sigh* we haven't forgotten... we haven't...
I had.
One day I may too... one day. *raises his fist in the air*
Everyone in this thread....see this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbIsUhSIHtg
Steven Hawking gets it.
Best review of the film yet.
:D
That is all.
BAHAHAHA! :D :D
It's so true! :D
"Hey, Alien, I have a question."
"Yes?"
"How tastes Anderson's cum?"
"What."
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you; Anderson's dick in your mouth."
:D
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jul 28, 2010, 04:27:15 AM
"Hey, Alien, I have a question."
"Yes?"
"How tastes Anderson's cum?"
"What."
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you; Anderson's dick in your mouth."
:D
In that case I feel sorry for the Predator. He had to serve two instead of one
I watched AvP on E4 a few weeks back. As usual, I got bored after the main fight. AvPR keeps me slightly more entertained with the small fights spread throughout. That said, I think they're still both bad.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Jul 28, 2010, 04:27:15 AM
"Hey, Alien, I have a question."
"Yes?"
"How tastes Anderson's cum?"
"What."
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you; Anderson's dick in your mouth."
:D
Shouldn't that be other way around, with Alien's nuts in Anderson's mouth?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 29, 2010, 07:06:22 PM
Shouldn't that be other way around, with Alien's nuts in Anderson's mouth?
Poor Predator this way...
From AvP talk to talk of blowjobs...way to go guys. ::)
Quote from: BLAIN on Jul 29, 2010, 07:16:17 PM
From AvP talk to talk of blowjobs...way to go guys. ::)
Thats the only way to go "down" from AvP and AvPR. Ah-hah, ah-hah.
AVP
Good fighting sequences
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jul 29, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
Quote from: BLAIN on Jul 29, 2010, 07:16:17 PM
From AvP talk to talk of blowjobs...way to go guys. ::)
Thats the only way to go "down" from AvP and AvPR. Ah-hah, ah-hah.
Come again?
Well, the Alien does have a dick for a head.
Suck on that fact!
I still find that a little hard to swallow.
Spoiler
hurr
I personally think that sucks. In fact, I would go so far as to say it blows.
avp is way better than avpR.
Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 27, 2010, 11:34:11 PM
Everyone in this thread....see this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbIsUhSIHtg
LOL :D
I owe you a drink.
Quote from: alienhunter14 on Aug 01, 2010, 02:26:44 AM
AVPR was better than AVP.
-alienhunter14
Yes someone I can relate to.
AVP was better than AVPR in many ways...AVP was more serious...AVPR just put too much into it...the only good thing about AVPR was wolf pred....the worst parts were the aliens and the pred alien...nuff said...
I find in AVPR the aliens really act like dudes in suits rather than Aliens.
i didnt believe they were "aliens" honestly...i just lost the feeling towards them in that movie.
Most people did. Aliens don't stand around, letting themselves get manhandled and watching others do a striptease. They get shit done. Sometimes they take their time, but only when there's not much of a threat around.
there is a massive threat to them: Wolf Predator, but the aliens should just get the job done straight away and not worry about anything else but their instincts and what they're born to do: survive :)
Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 27, 2010, 11:34:11 PM
Everyone in this thread....see this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbIsUhSIHtg
epic win!
lol nice one.
Tahts what she said..... The predator is awesome. :P
That vid is totally right about those dumbass Aliens at least in AVP they were smarter.
That's my vid.
The Predator was modeled after the infamous French Predator. All of the insults are direct quotes from him. Thought about having them return to review Predators.
AVPR is better for Predator fans. Wolf kicking ass the whole film is awesome. The Predator vision was probably the best seen out of any of the movies (my opinion). Apart from that, the film sucked. Poor treatment of the aliens. And the humans sucked....bad. The review that states no one cares about them was false. I cared. I cared how they died. I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Quote from: tonyzork on Aug 11, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Me too. I cheered when Predalien impaled that annoying, looser pizza kid
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 11, 2010, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Aug 11, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Me too. I cheered when Predalien impaled that annoying, looser pizza kid
I was already cheering at the point after his girlfriend got pinned to the wall with the shuriken. And when that kid got his face melted off by acid. ;D
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 11, 2010, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Aug 11, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Me too. I cheered when Predalien impaled that annoying, looser pizza kid
Argh, but he
survived >:(
With a broken heart.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 11, 2010, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Aug 11, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Me too. I cheered when Predalien impaled that annoying, looser pizza kid
That was a decent shot of the PA...too bad it was over so soon.
AVP:R is only behind a handfull of votes ... Jesus.
You're disappointed? AvP isn't exactly a tremendous film.
Wait, tremendously bad, sure.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 12, 2010, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 11, 2010, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Aug 11, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Me too. I cheered when Predalien impaled that annoying, looser pizza kid
That was a decent shot of the PA...too bad it was over so soon.
yeah very good shot
I like AVPR because it's more an horror movie than the other movies.
-alienhunter14
Boom >:(
Head shot.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 11, 2010, 02:47:21 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 11, 2010, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Aug 11, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Me too. I cheered when Predalien impaled that annoying, looser pizza kid
Argh, but he survived >:(
He's the hero's brother. Why would he die?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 11, 2010, 02:47:21 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 11, 2010, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Aug 11, 2010, 03:42:27 AM
I spent the whole movie waiting to see how these useless people were gonna get it. They were fodder for aliens, and aliens were fodder for wolf.
Me too. I cheered when Predalien impaled that annoying, looser pizza kid
Argh, but he survived >:(
He's the hero's brother. Why would he die?
It would have been cool. :)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 01:22:39 AM
He's the hero's brother. Why would he die?
He was speared through the chest, or at least a large part of his shoulder/chest. No one else in the Alien series was given an easy pass. Unless you count Ripley's resurrection. And Johner. But nothing kills Ron Perlman. Nothing.
He mostly just hurts people.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 15, 2010, 11:35:35 PM
An affinity for the pizza delivery boy, Omega? :D
I wanted him to die... :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 16, 2010, 07:34:46 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 15, 2010, 11:35:35 PM
An affinity for the pizza delivery boy, Omega? :D
I wanted him to die... :P
Me too!
He is one of the 2 most unlikable characters I had ever seen in movies. The guy's not only a looser but also a looser with a huge attitude. First of all, Im tired of that cliche - that every teen hero has to be an outsider hunted by bullies. I guess they do that because they think thats the audience for the movie and that they can identify with them , which completely doesnt work for me because I was never in that situation. But ok, its fine if the kid doesnt get along, it happens, we all knew kids like that in HS. But the problem is that hes a constantly pissed douchebag with a real attitude. You know, no wonder hes an outsider if hes such a rainy cloud. I dont see one friendly or likeable qualities in that guy so no wonder he doesnt have friends or people that like him. You know, if people root for aliens it says something about the movie. To think that the alien series was character driven and character centered, a long time ago when the alien series was still a trilogy
If he didn't have friends or anybody who liked him, why did he hook up with Jesse?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 07:46:33 PM
If he didn't have friends or anybody who liked him, why did he hook up with Jesse?
She probably felt sorry for him or simply - she thought he's "hot". Thats pretty much the IT factor for teenage girls. They can forget anything else in the guy and the whole world if the guy is really "hot" looking for them. Its funny that he was a douchebag even to her with his pesky comments. He never said one nice or good thing to her, never.
She referenced old times, which suggested to me that they hooked up earlier on in life. So I doubt it was sympathy alone.
Isn't that what happens in teen movies? The hawt chick goes for the dweeb, though she has an asshole boyfriend she doesn't even seem to like?
Yes. But cliches aren't few and far between in any movie. There's a reason why James Cameron can't move past Romeo and Juliet-style fairy tales.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 08:54:16 PM
Yes. But cliches aren't few and far between in any movie. There's a reason why James Cameron can't move past Romeo and Juliet-style fairy tales.
Hell, Shakespeare stole that. The swine. Problem is how the content is handled, and AVPR went straight for the flat out, cardboard cut out situation, which is why the characters are almost universally hated or just can't find many fans.
That's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
That's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.
Thats called a new thing then.If you take 3 existing ingredients and mix them together you have something that hasnt been done before. ALIEN is basically a remake of two other stories. The most memorable franchise are born our of mixing. Not only that, Cameron's intent is to take the old stories and out them in new environment to make them viable and fresh again. As for the fairy tale approach, whats wrong with it? Fairy tales are simple and timeless. Its just a different type of a story and something fresh. We havent have much of that for a long time now, only those "badass" dark, emo semi-intelligent movies with bad endings
While Avatar took from great timeless classics like Pocahontas and Titanic took from Shakespear's masterpiece Romeo and Juliet, AVPR took from 80s teen crap like karate kid or virtually every corny 80s movie with teens. Thats the difference
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
That's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.
Cliched is stupid. Re-used is not. Shakespeare re-used plot lines and stories all the time. As did Star Wars, and Alien too, and was even taken to the courts (despite internet myth, Cameron never went to court over Ellison), but the re-used material was handled well. AVPR did not handle it well. Hence the criticism.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 09:35:46 PM
Cliched is stupid. Re-used is not.
What do you think a cliché actually is? :-\
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:09 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
That's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.
Thats called a new thing then.If you take 3 existing ingredients and mix them together you have something that hasnt been done before. ALIEN is basically a remake of two other stories. The most memorable franchise are born our of mixing. Not only that, Cameron's intent is to take the old stories and out them in new environment to make them viable and fresh again. As for the fairy tale approach, whats wrong with it? Fairy tales are simple and timeless. Its just a different type of a story and something fresh. We havent have much of that for a long time now, only those "badass" dark, emo semi-intelligent movies with bad endings
While Avatar took from great timeless classics like Pocahontas and Titanic took from Shakespear's masterpiece Romeo and Juliet, AVPR took from 80s teen crap like karate kid or virtually every corny 80s movie with teens. Thats the difference
There is no difference. There's
zero difference. How the material is used isn't important. The point is that ideas are being rehashed and it sucks. Cameron freshened up old ideas about as well as Requiem did, ergo, zilch.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 10:10:03 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:09 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
That's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.
Thats called a new thing then.If you take 3 existing ingredients and mix them together you have something that hasnt been done before. ALIEN is basically a remake of two other stories. The most memorable franchise are born our of mixing. Not only that, Cameron's intent is to take the old stories and out them in new environment to make them viable and fresh again. As for the fairy tale approach, whats wrong with it? Fairy tales are simple and timeless. Its just a different type of a story and something fresh. We havent have much of that for a long time now, only those "badass" dark, emo semi-intelligent movies with bad endings
While Avatar took from great timeless classics like Pocahontas and Titanic took from Shakespear's masterpiece Romeo and Juliet, AVPR took from 80s teen crap like karate kid or virtually every corny 80s movie with teens. Thats the difference
There is no difference. There's zero difference. How the material is used isn't important. The point is that ideas are being rehashed and it sucks. Cameron freshened up old ideas about as well as Requiem did, ergo, zilch.
They reused, like every single movie did post 60s or 70s I believe so even singling it out makes no sense if you think about it. What matters is the end result and wheter it works
Quote from: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 10:01:05 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 09:35:46 PM
Cliched is stupid. Re-used is not.
What do you think a cliché actually is? :-\
A cliché or cliche (pronounced /kliːʃeɪ/ (klee-shay) in English, but /kli.ʃe/ (klee-shé) in French), is a saying, expression, idea, or element of an artistic work which has been overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effectYou can re-use something and not have it be redundant. Fiction has been doing it for thousands of years. Otherwise, everything is cliched. Shakespeare's Troilus & Cressida must be a cliche, or Hamlet, or Romeo & Juliet if we assume reusing material = cliche.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 10:10:03 PM
There is no difference. There's zero difference. How the material is used isn't important. The point is that ideas are being rehashed and it sucks. Cameron freshened up old ideas about as well as Requiem did, ergo, zilch.
If you're talking about Avatar, fine, that was his intention, if you're talking about the Alien and Aliens, then they both reuse old ideas but present them in non-meangingless ways, ie, not cliched.
It depends on where you grab your definition of "cliché" from. The Oxford English Dictionary includes the definitions of basically anything (Although particularly phrases, plots, and characterisation) that is stereotyped and/or overused.
It's not a dirty word. Calling something a cliché doesn't necessary mean something bad unless the user wants it to. Alien is clichéd all to hell, but it just does everything better than what came before it, so people don't care. Same with a lot of movies.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 10:10:03 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 16, 2010, 09:20:09 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
That's understandable but singling them out because they're cliched is stupid. I single Avatar out all the time for having a cut-and-paste story which was stolen from at least 3 different films. But cliches are almost unavoidable at this point so there isn't much point to griping about them.
Thats called a new thing then.If you take 3 existing ingredients and mix them together you have something that hasnt been done before. ALIEN is basically a remake of two other stories. The most memorable franchise are born our of mixing. Not only that, Cameron's intent is to take the old stories and out them in new environment to make them viable and fresh again. As for the fairy tale approach, whats wrong with it? Fairy tales are simple and timeless. Its just a different type of a story and something fresh. We havent have much of that for a long time now, only those "badass" dark, emo semi-intelligent movies with bad endings
While Avatar took from great timeless classics like Pocahontas and Titanic took from Shakespear's masterpiece Romeo and Juliet, AVPR took from 80s teen crap like karate kid or virtually every corny 80s movie with teens. Thats the difference
There is no difference. There's zero difference. How the material is used isn't important. The point is that ideas are being rehashed and it sucks. Cameron freshened up old ideas about as well as Requiem did, ergo, zilch.
They reused, like every single movie did post 60s or 70s I believe so even singling it out makes no sense if you think about it. What matters is the end result and wheter it works
And it didn't work obviously. In either example. I don't mean to compare both movies, but Avatar and Requiem, whether one likes it or not, suffer from the same problem: they are both cliched in their own way. The problem for me lies in the fact that since Avatar was such a huge production, I expected more and better. But with Requiem, not so much.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 16, 2010, 11:01:35 PM
It depends on where you grab your definition of "cliché" from. The Oxford English Dictionary includes the definitions of basically anything (Although particularly phrases, plots, and characterisation) that is stereotyped and/or overused.
It's not a dirty word. Calling something a cliché doesn't necessary mean something bad unless the user wants it to. Alien is clichéd all to hell, but it just does everything better than what came before it, so people don't care. Same with a lot of movies.
Well, I think we're in agreement ... I don't think we were even disagreeing, but we seem to be in agreement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g
I loved that. :)
Yea, it is the truth... sad truth :(
I'm watching that whole series now. I'm gonna watch the Alien3 one in a bit.
AVP is better ... much better ... a thousand times better. And a million times beneath Alien and Predator.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 22, 2010, 07:22:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g
this guys knows his shit.
I watched his Predator review. It is a much deeper film than I had realized.
Jesus, he pointed out soooo many flaws and rightfully so.
Quote from: The PredBen on Aug 22, 2010, 04:38:15 PM
AVP is better ... much better ... a thousand times better. And a million times beneath Alien and Predator.
Thats a nice way to put it
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 22, 2010, 07:22:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g
Brilliant and absolutely hilarious, especially the pizza boy killing an alien bit
Not talking about story, or designs, but just quality,
AVP.
End.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 22, 2010, 04:14:02 PM
I'm watching that whole series now. I'm gonna watch the Alien3 one in a bit.
His Alien 3 review perfectly encapsulates why I love that film.
His reviews have filled me with a desire to watch the first three Alien films. Perhaps even back-to-back-to-back.
That gives me the craziest thought. We start a competition: we have a chatbox online and watch the Alien trilogy back-to-back while discussing the films. Anyone who makes it through without having to stop watching the films (other than to stop for bathroom breaks, snacks, pop the next disc in, etc.) gets a special forum title or something. Sort of like a fanboy Guinness challenge.
What if you've done that already?
Then you're . . . probably crazy. Scary crazy. But worthy of respect.
What's crazy about watching 3 movies in one sitting? :P
Acceptance is the first step to recovery, man.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Aug 23, 2010, 07:08:55 AM
That gives me the craziest thought. We start a competition: we have a chatbox online and watch the Alien trilogy back-to-back while discussing the films. Anyone who makes it through without having to stop watching the films (other than to stop for bathroom breaks, snacks, pop the next disc in, etc.) gets a special forum title or something. Sort of like a fanboy Guinness challenge.
Stream the Alien quad and chat with each other?
I'm down for that. I kind of miss the chatbox we had when AVP2010 was lurking about.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Aug 23, 2010, 07:08:55 AM
That gives me the craziest thought. We start a competition: we have a chatbox online and watch the Alien trilogy back-to-back while discussing the films. Anyone who makes it through without having to stop watching the films (other than to stop for bathroom breaks, snacks, pop the next disc in, etc.) gets a special forum title or something. Sort of like a fanboy Guinness challenge.
sounds like a cool idea me and my friend were going to do that once but he couldn't come over :(
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 23, 2010, 04:49:07 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Aug 22, 2010, 07:22:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g
Brilliant and absolutely hilarious, especially the pizza boy killing an alien bit
Almost every one of those points was 100% valid.
I LOLed.
Maybe the Aliens are defective because the predalien bypassed the egg and facehugger stage.
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 26, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Maybe the Aliens are defective because the predalien bypassed the egg and facehugger stage.
Maybe because Salerno and the Strauses bypassed the
write a good script and get some skills stage.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 26, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Maybe the Aliens are defective because the predalien bypassed the egg and facehugger stage.
Maybe because Salerno and the Strauses bypassed the write a good script and get some skills stage.
you are probably right. lol
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 26, 2010, 08:09:56 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 26, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Maybe the Aliens are defective because the predalien bypassed the egg and facehugger stage.
Maybe because Salerno and the Strauses bypassed the write a good script and get some skills stage.
you are probably right. lol
And remember, a good deal of the Aliens came from facehuggers that escaped the Predator ship. A load of belly-bursters from the hospital never matured (I guess we'd assume that a lot of other Aliens did).
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 26, 2010, 08:09:56 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 26, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Maybe the Aliens are defective because the predalien bypassed the egg and facehugger stage.
Maybe because Salerno and the Strauses bypassed the write a good script and get some skills stage.
you are probably right. lol
And remember, a good deal of the Aliens came from facehuggers that escaped the Predator ship. A load of belly-bursters from the hospital never matured (I guess we'd assume that a lot of other Aliens did).
you have a point there so there should have been some non defective Aliens if my theory was correct.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 08:12:56 PMAnd remember, a good deal of the Aliens came from facehuggers that escaped the Predator ship.
I remember 2... maybe 3. Well, at least one of them showed some kind of intelligence (Power Plant).
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 26, 2010, 09:02:38 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 08:12:56 PMAnd remember, a good deal of the Aliens came from facehuggers that escaped the Predator ship.
I remember 2... maybe 3. Well, at least one of them showed some kind of intelligence (Power Plant).
That was really the only cool scene for the aliens at least I can't think of any others.
National Guard scene was another.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 26, 2010, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 26, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Maybe the Aliens are defective because the predalien bypassed the egg and facehugger stage.
Maybe because Salerno and the Strauses bypassed the write a good script and get some skills stage.
lol
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 26, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
National Guard scene was another.
It's weird but, I actually don't recall anything from this scene.
well, just think of this. they almost took out a whole town. ;)
We see less than a dozen Aliens in a town of thousands.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the situation was completely salvageable without the nuke.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Aug 27, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
We see less than a dozen Aliens in a town of thousands.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the situation was completely salvageable without the nuke.
It was 400 something.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Aug 27, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
We see less than a dozen Aliens in a town of thousands.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the situation was completely salvageable without the nuke.
We see that many, but that's only confirmed. For all we know, the town could have been overrun.
There are only two places the Aliens should have been at the end of the film; at the hive, which was being heavily assaulted; or at the congregation of hosts in the center of town, who were all unarmed. Between those two places, we saw less than a dozen.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 26, 2010, 11:12:37 PM
National Guard scene was another.
Yah that did them some justice but I hate the scene were the dude looks into the car and then an Alien pops out behind him and kills him I always found that cheesy.
Yeah, it would've worked better had the Alien actually grabbed him first.
Quote from: BLAIN on Aug 27, 2010, 01:45:23 AM
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Aug 27, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
We see less than a dozen Aliens in a town of thousands.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the situation was completely salvageable without the nuke.
It was 400 something.
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnison,_Colorado) reports the real Gunnison as of 5409 inhabitants. Since the AvPR Gunnison is set in a fictional universe, the number may vary; but I'd say it is more or less along the real one.
The number used in one of the Requiem trailers was 5476 so yeah, they kept it within the ballpark. All the same though I highly doubt the film wanted to create the idea that every inhabitant had become an Alien otherwise half of the film wouldn't have happened due to lack of cast :P
I would've preferred the entire city to be overrun by Aliens, and then we see Wolf Predator almost covered in them, and while they rip his flesh and gut him, he activates the wristbomb and dies, throwing it back to the flashback of the previous film.
If they're gutting him and ripping his skin off, he likely wouldn't be able to :P
I was emphasizing it.
Picture the end of the flashback in AvP.
Switch location to Hospital Rooftop.
Erase the other 2 Predators.
Switch main Predator with Wolf.
Have him bloody, on the ground, activating his wristbomb.
The Predalien schfwumps him and roars gloriously, only to be destroyed by the bomb.
Likin' it? :P
Avpr cause i dont like the scar pred from avp, it seems hes the good one cooperating with humans, dont like that, i like badass preds ;)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 04, 2010, 04:52:38 PM
I was emphasizing it.
Picture the end of the flashback in AvP.
Switch location to Hospital Rooftop.
Erase the other 2 Predators.
Switch main Predator with Wolf.
Have him bloody, on the ground, activating his wristbomb.
The Predalien schfwumps him and roars gloriously, only to be destroyed by the bomb.
Likin' it? :P
Yeah, I do actually.
Quote from: Necrokult on Sep 04, 2010, 05:01:57 PM
Avpr cause i dont like the scar pred from avp, it seems hes the good one cooperating with humans, dont like that, i like badass preds ;)
So you prefer incompetent ones? ;)
yes brutal ones LOL like the velociraptors nublarensis, not the sornaensis ;)
I can't believe I know what you meant by that... :D
Those speculative theories... ah teh hate!!1 *head explodes*
AvP Predators were 100x better than Wolf. You know why? They fought worthy opponents. Wolf fought babies.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 08:35:31 AM
Those speculative theories... ah teh hate!!1 *head explodes*
AvP Predators were 100x better than Wolf. You know why? They fought worthy opponents. Wolf fought babies.
Wolf wasnt there for a right of passage, he was there to clean up. I doubt the abilities of the aliens mattered one way or the other to him.
Yes, yes they do. Wolf did a lot of naive, if really unexperienced things in the film he stars in. If the Aliens were any like the precedent films, the job would've been hella more difficult, and probably the Predator would be dead halfway through the film (but would anyway activate the wristbomb, thus delivering the job anyway). And no, I'm not talking about Alien/Predator strength/qualities being superior/inferior to the other. Other Predators in the place of Wolf would do a much better work. And, any other Aliens would give hell in Earth to Wolf. He turned his back on the Aliens. He held 2 by the neck (without those reacting) and was going to shoot one point blank (and we all know what shot+point blank+Alien means, don't we?), not counting he left half-a minute to an opponent to strike. The Predalien didn't attack by any means during this timespan, but put solely as an example the A3 Runner Alien in its place. Would the situation be the same? Hell no.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 09:11:52 AM
Yes, yes they do. Wolf did a lot of naive, if really unexperienced things in the film he stars in. If the Aliens were any like the precedent films, the job would've been hella more difficult, and probably the Predator would be dead halfway through the film (but would anyway activate the wristbomb, thus delivering the job anyway). And no, I'm not talking about Alien/Predator strength/qualities being superior/inferior to the other. Other Predators in the place of Wolf would do a much better work. And, any other Aliens would give hell in Earth to Wolf. He turned his back on the Aliens. He held 2 by the neck (without those reacting) and was going to shoot one point blank (and we all know what shot+point blank+Alien means, don't we?), not counting he left half-a minute to an opponent to strike. The Predalien didn't attack by any means during this timespan, but put solely as an example the A3 Runner Alien in its place. Would the situation be the same? Hell no.
Totally agree with you, but if the aliens were more competent, I'm sure Wolf would have acted accordingly. I wouldn't fight a child the same as I would fight an adult (not that I would fight a child but u get the picture.)
I get what you mean, and I'd agree if Wolf didn't seem to ignore a characteristic common to all Aliens... alas, the pretty corroding acid blood. Hell, he got the burn on his face and yet still he wants to shoot the Alien point blank? Even assuming his helmet is resistant, acid would go on arm, neck and torso, resulting in... well, we know what. That is unexperienced. Scar's curriculum beats that of Wolf anytime.
Yeh valid. I think we can blame the BS for mistreatment of both species.
After listening to the commentary of AvPR I really changed opinion about 'em... some ideas they had and explain just make me shudder (Predalien X-Ray vision); some statements (he [The Predalien] prefers pregnant women because there's more food for the embryos, y'now like a picnic) left me astoundingly disgusted... seriously, for saying, thinking, conceiving something like that, one must have a twisted mentality, no more or less.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 09:46:40 AM
After listening to the commentary of AvPR I really changed opinion about 'em... some ideas they had and explain just make me shudder (Predalien X-Ray vision); some statements (he [The Predalien] prefers pregnant women because there's more food for the embryos, y'now like a picnic) left me astoundingly disgusted... seriously, for saying, thinking, conceiving something like that, one must have a twisted mentality, no more or less.
Agreed. There's a Alien Experience interview along those lines too.
Read the one they did to Colin, the parts regarding the Predalien especially.... no surprise it is his favourite scene from the film, must be a Strause Thing.
Quote from: tonyzork on Sep 07, 2010, 09:40:08 AM
Yeh valid. I think we can blame the BS for mistreatment of both species.
Not entirely. Davis had a large hand in it.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 09:46:40 AM
After listening to the commentary of AvPR I really changed opinion about 'em... some ideas they had and explain just make me shudder (Predalien X-Ray vision); some statements (he [The Predalien] prefers pregnant women because there's more food for the embryos, y'now like a picnic) left me astoundingly disgusted... seriously, for saying, thinking, conceiving something like that, one must have a twisted mentality, no more or less.
Thinking what?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 09:46:40 AM
he [The Predalien] prefers pregnant women because there's more food for the embryos, y'now like a picnic
^that.
That is disgusting.
Especially with the f**king tone he uses. Like it is just for shit 'n jiggles. Twisted, sick mentality. Nothing else.
Well i really liked this comment, cynic and cruel at the same time, exaclty what i like.
But it isn't, it's some douchebag being unpleasant because he thinks it's cool.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 09:46:40 AM
he [The Predalien] prefers pregnant women because there's more food for the embryos, y'now like a picnic
^that.
That is disgusting.
Especially with the f**king tone he uses. Like it is just for shit 'n jiggles. Twisted, sick mentality. Nothing else.
It's just a movie. Get over it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 03:19:46 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 07, 2010, 09:46:40 AM
he [The Predalien] prefers pregnant women because there's more food for the embryos, y'now like a picnic
^that.
That is disgusting.
Especially with the f**king tone he uses. Like it is just for shit 'n jiggles. Twisted, sick mentality. Nothing else.
It's just a movie.
Thankfully Scott and Cameron thought more of the story
Neither of them would descend to style over substance.
... oh wait... :(
Quote from: SM on Sep 08, 2010, 05:14:21 AM
Neither of them would descend to style over substance.
... oh wait... :(
Wel, even if one dislikes the simple story with morals, theres always his signature heart pumping action sequences
At least he has the style part down to make up for it.
Zee Strauses can't even crack that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 03:19:46 AM
It's just a movie. Get over it.
F**k the fact it is only a film. It is irritating how he says it plain and simple. He's talking about a Fetus like it is a sandwich, with a f**kin happy smile on his face. I don't want sick people with their hands on one of my favourite franchises, I really
don't.
I must say, after rewatching AvP over and over I have come to despise it, the horrible storyline, the crap monster designs and the failed actors.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 07, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
But it isn't, it's some douchebag being unpleasant because he thinks it's cool.
Yup, and they always seem surprised that other people don't share their unpleasant opinions.
Quote from: cvetan on Sep 08, 2010, 09:20:08 AM
I must say, after rewatching AvP over and over I have come to despise it, the horrible storyline, the crap monster designs and the failed actors.
Yeh true. When I watch films like Alien3 or Predator 2, I enjoy them more and more. When I watch the AVP movies i like them less and less. I actually didnt mind them when they were first released, but thats changing over time.
the first avp was better than the second
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 08, 2010, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 03:19:46 AM
It's just a movie. Get over it.
F**k the fact it is only a film. It is irritating how he says it plain and simple. He's talking about a Fetus like it is a sandwich, with a f**kin happy smile on his face. I don't want sick people with their hands on one of my favourite franchises, I really don't.
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You sure you're not taking this a bit too seriously?
ITT: People get pomp(o)us and butthurt over anything they can find. (as long as the Strauses did it)
Whereas you're just inexplicably pompous.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Sep 08, 2010, 09:38:59 PM
ITT: People get pomp(o)us and butthurt over anything they can find. (as long as the Strauses did it)
I'd be lying if I said I didn't agree to some extent...
I just find it silly, how srs bsns Aliums are here.
Buncha' thilly gootheth. :limpwrist:
I find it hilarious that someone who's been banned before would insist on acting like such a cock ;D
Doesn't help if he's being encouraged, hint hint.
He starts it. And he's free to stop at any time.
He also pulls this shit in other subforums, so it's not like it's little old me riling him up.
I understand, but it still doesn't help.
Let's just stop; all of us.
FYI, I'm not being a cock. I just don't get bent outta' shape over movies, videogames or pop culture nonsense like everyone else does. I just state my opinion. I let everyone else have theirs, I just have one aswell. What you call being a cock, I call being neutral.
Thanks for the explanation.
Now we move on. Really.
Let's get this moveable beast underway...
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So about that Requiem...the Brothers f**ked up. But for various reasons I found their film more entertaining than Anderson's eyesore.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
So about that Requiem...the Brothers f**ked up. But for various reasons I found their film more entertaining than Anderson's eyesore.
I find that...disturbing.
Don't get me wrong, AvP has a wealth of problems, but it's leagues ahead of "I know what you did last Alium".
Predator/human love doesn't exactly put it anywhere 'ahead'.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
So about that Requiem...the Brothers f**ked up. But for various reasons I found their film more entertaining than Anderson's eyesore.
To be pedantic, AvP2004 was actually a very powerful film if we're speaking visuals. AvPR not so much.
AVP had potential to be a great movie. The epic set pieces were a great touch. Bad acting and a poor script let it down.
All it had going for it was that it looked nice. In parts.
The score was pretty good, too. Typical of an action flick, but good enough to contribute to the film rather than detract from it.
Found it mostly forgettable. Even years later when I heard the soundtrack CD, it's not one I revisit like I do the other Alien soundtracks.
Certainly.
I'm just being a pedantic nonce is all. :P
They both suck! I can't stand the first AvP because its just dumb and I hate Requiem because it contradicts cannon. What else is there to say on this subject. Comparing these films is like comparing two turds in a toilet.
Comparing turds is my job, sir. I'll not have you bash it! Not here! :gloveslap:
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Sep 09, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
Comparing turds is my job, sir. I'll not have you bash it! Not here! :gloveslap:
Well I just bashed it. ;D :gloveslap:
Then it's a duel sir!
En guard!
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
You sure you're not taking this a bit too seriously?
You sure you're not taking this a bit too easy?
He's talking about human fetus like it was a sandwich.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 09, 2010, 02:01:11 AM
Predator/human love doesn't exactly put it anywhere 'ahead'.
There isn't
any, in fact.
QuoteHe's talking about human fetus like it was a sandwich.
In a lot of ways, it is. ;)
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 09, 2010, 08:52:53 PM
QuoteHe's talking about human fetus like it was a sandwich.
In a lot of ways, it is. ;)
Enlighten me.
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Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Sep 09, 2010, 08:44:17 PM
Then it's a duel sir!
En guard!
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/FR_ART/People/ElaithCraulnober.jpg
lol! Nice! You win for creativity!
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 09, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/eating_baby_sandwich.jpg
Oh you, teh ha-
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Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 09, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/eating_baby_sandwich.jpg
Anyone else suddenly really hungry?
{Raises hand}
The screaming kid sucks any whiff of humour out of it.
I thought that was the humour.
You would.
'Aint I a stinker? :D
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Sep 08, 2010, 11:49:22 PM
Let's get this moveable beast underway...
http://www.zuguide.com/image/Pete-Postlethwaite-The-Lost-World-Jurassic-Park.5.jpg
Very good. :D
Thank you sir, was quite proud of that one. :D
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 11:11:03 PM
The screaming kid sucks any whiff of humour out of it.
Oh, calm down.
Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 09, 2010, 11:33:00 PM
Oh, calm down.
Yeah...you tell 'em.
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Quote from: BLAIN on Sep 09, 2010, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 11:11:03 PM
The screaming kid sucks any whiff of humour out of it.
Oh, calm down.
I wasn't calmed up.
It simply wasn't funny.
BAH! I defy you.
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 11:41:00 PM
I wasn't calmed up.
It simply wasn't funny.
HOLY SHIT DUDE, CALM DOWN, YOU'RE BEING HYSTERICAL! JESUS CHRIST, STOP BEING SO WORKED UP! STOP IT!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v1ICQK7WpY
What is this I don't even...
:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 11:52:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s
LMFAO!
I wonder what that guy did...
Got tased.
After asking not to be.
I still think you two are the same guy.
Just somethin' 'bout yiz... 8)
Some people believe in Santa Claus.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 10, 2010, 12:15:46 AM
Some people believe in Santa Claus.
Well I believe in the keebler elves.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 10, 2010, 12:15:46 AM
Some people believe in Santa Claus.
I believe he's Satan.
I have a long, drawn out theory I may share with you all one day...
I am intrigued.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 09, 2010, 02:37:53 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 08, 2010, 11:51:50 PM
So about that Requiem...the Brothers f**ked up. But for various reasons I found their film more entertaining than Anderson's eyesore.
To be pedantic, AvP2004 was actually a very powerful film if we're speaking visuals. AvPR not so much.
Nice set, but it's too bad the whole film was practically black and white, yeesh.
It's one more colour than AvP:2.
Not really. Requiem had red, green, yellow, black (lots of it)...
AvP's stark pallet did bring the film visual cohesiveness, though. Everything came together very naturally.
More colours doesn't always equate to better, and overloading on the visuals basically gets you dumb shit like the remastered Original Trilogy from Star Wars.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 10, 2010, 02:19:22 AM
Nice set, but it's too bad the whole film was practically black and white, yeesh.
No less than AvPR.
I'll take a well-shot black and white film over something that was colour-corrected by a blind quadruple amputee as directed by two apes prancing about in man suits.
AVP: R was a pporly made film with a flimsy story and sorry excuses for characters.Nonetheless I found most of the Predator parts in Requiem entertaining and so that what makes me prefer it to AVP.
AVP was a well made film I'll give it credit for that but nothing really stands out about the film to make me like it or hate it.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Sep 10, 2010, 12:05:09 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 09, 2010, 11:52:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4s
LMFAO!
I wonder what that guy did...
some kid just got tased at my school MHS.
I know Zahrod , I was right next to him right before it happened :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTU7x4wquRU
Quote from: MadassAlex on Sep 10, 2010, 03:31:03 AM
AvP's stark pallet did bring the film visual cohesiveness, though. Everything came together very naturally.
More colours doesn't always equate to better, and overloading on the visuals basically gets you dumb shit like the remastered Original Trilogy from Star Wars.
What cohesiveness? The film was an eye-sore; to me anyway. I'd rather have dark colours than black and white.
AvP wasn't black and white. There was Blue. Ice Blue. Red. Yellow. Orange. Green. Amongst others.
Blue? Trailers don't count, it's not the actual film here.
Red? Sure, all 1.5 seconds of it.
Orange? Don't remember
Yellow? No way.
Green? The odd Alien-blood shot, sure.
Lex wore red and Sebastian wore yellow. There was more yellow and orange from the scenes set in Mexico, the establishing shot of the tracking station, and the Weyland logo, which is everywhere, was yellow, too. There was plenty of blue throughout the film, either in the locations -- dark blue -- or set dressing.
But seriously, what the hell. Most of the friggin' movie takes place in Antarctica, a country not exactly renowned for its broad colour pallet.
You're honestly trying to tell people you think AvPR looks better than, say, Sin City? Or Casablanca? Or any of a hundred beautiful movies shot in black and white? Get off the grass, man.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 10, 2010, 08:20:37 PM
Blue? Trailers don't count, it's not the actual film here.
Beware.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 10, 2010, 08:20:37 PM
Orange? Don't remember
Beware x2:
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 10, 2010, 08:20:37 PM
Yellow? No way.
See SiL for reference + some colors on the ship
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 10, 2010, 08:20:37 PM
Green? The odd Alien-blood shot, sure.
Predator blood too.
But, yeah, no -- that's just black and white all up in there. Not a hint of colour.
Thing is, as well, that most films only use a small palette in any given shot expressly to make sure the shot is easily understandable and cohesive.
Think about Jurassic Park, for instance. The scene where the T.rex attacks the immobolised tour cars is basically made of three colours: red (the T.rex, which closer to dull maroon but still), yellow (the tour cars) and blue (the environment). Essentially three colours, and just your basic primary colours at that.
And AvPR is no different. It has no more colour range than the first AvP.
Doom you just won't ever give it up will you?
Quote from: SiL on Sep 11, 2010, 02:40:13 AM
And AvPR is no different. It has no more colour range than the first AvP.
The color in the film was fine but the directing wasn't. In my opinion.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 10, 2010, 08:32:17 PM
Lex wore red and Sebastian wore yellow. There was more yellow and orange from the scenes set in Mexico, the establishing shot of the tracking station, and the Weyland logo, which is everywhere, was yellow, too. There was plenty of blue throughout the film, either in the locations -- dark blue -- or set dressing.
But seriously, what the hell. Most of the friggin' movie takes place in Antarctica, a country not exactly renowned for its broad colour pallet.
You're honestly trying to tell people you think AvPR looks better than, say, Sin City? Or Casablanca? Or any of a hundred beautiful movies shot in black and white? Get off the grass, man.
Casablanca was made in the 40's, before colour was even around in film and Sin City was supposed to be gritty, hence the way it was filmed. AvP was just dull and boring.
You still said you'd rather a film with any colour, than no colour. Doesn't matter why those films are black and white; you still just said you think AvPR looks better than them.
AvP had plenty of colour -- a broader range than Alien or Aliens, yet you're not saying those films seem black and white or dull. Your insistence in attacking the look of AvP is confusing, unwarranted, and unsupported by anything you've managed to show or say. You're hating on it for the sake of it.
If a film is black and white for a reason, then I can't complain, even if I wanted to. I already explained why in the case of Casablanca and SC.
AvP was just dull. The film had colour at times, but I felt as though in at least 80% of the film, it was a lot of black, grey, and white. There wasn't much variation in what I was seeing. I remember watching the trailers and a lot of scenes had hues of blue in the background which looked really good. For the life of me, I can't understand why they weren't in the completed film.
They are. I really have no clue what you're talking about -- the movie is full of blue. The only real grey is the Predators' armour. There's colour in every single shot of the film.
You're sounding like the people who whine about AvPR being impossible to see. It isn't, any more than AvP is approaching black and white. Maybe it's just your DVD, because mine is full of blue-green ambient colour.
At the risk of sounding like I'm back-peddling, I don't mean AvP is literally B&W. I'm just taking a stab at the fact that the majority of the film was just bleh to look at.
I know you didn't actually mean near-B&W, but ... I still don't get it. It's a well-shot film.
Set designs were nice, but in addition to a boring palette (IMO), I didn't care for the obsessive close-ups or quick camera cut aways. Like when Celtic jumps through the hole to go after Grid. Why did Anderson insist on giving us a cut-off view of Grid rolling away, quickly cut back to Celtic from the bottom, split-second close-up of his feet, split-second shot of him jumping down, then a side-shot of him in the hole? Stuff like that is annoying.
The latter half of AVP was pretty drab, the black temple walls ... or maybe it was the feel of the movie that was drab, and not the look ... I don't care for it anyway.
The only point SiL is wrong about is AvPR's visual clarity.
It's possible to see, but that's saying so little. A lot of AvPR is just visually incomprehensible.
What precicly the subject between Doom and SiL
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 12, 2010, 06:14:59 AM
The latter half of AVP was pretty drab, the black temple walls ... or maybe it was the feel of the movie that was drab, and not the look ... I don't care for it anyway.
That's what I'm getting at. The look was drab. The film too was boring, but that's another matter.
I know films that have a lower color range than AvP & AvPR and are better than both. :P
And your point being?
He's saying that the color of a film isn't that big a deal when both films are garbage anyway.
And that a films colour palette (or lack thereof) doesn't necessarily make it crap.
If they were good films to begin with, I'm sure the palette would be the last thing we would be discussing.
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2010, 12:00:59 AM
And that a films colour palette (or lack thereof) doesn't necessarily make it crap.
Indeed. But when the film is bad enough to begin with, it doesn't help.
A movie with the title "Alien vs Predator" could never be a good movie.
All I wanted for AVP were some enjoyable cheesefests with some cool alien/predator action. And it delivered in spades.
If they actually tried to do a serious movie it would turn out laughably bad.
I doubt we'll ever see another fantastic film out of any franchise. All we can hope for is movies that dont suck.
QuoteIf they actually tried to do a serious movie it would turn out laughably bad.
Funny you should mention that, since that's precisely what happened.
Twice.
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2010, 03:19:57 AM
QuoteIf they actually tried to do a serious movie it would turn out laughably bad.
Funny you should mention that, since that's precisely what happened.
Twice.
Maybe the script editor was on drugs.
Twice.
Teen drama has no place in any Alien/Predator or AVP movies. Ever. Period.
Quote from: tonyzork on Sep 28, 2010, 03:35:33 AM
Teen drama has no place in any Alien/Predator or AVP movies. Ever. Period.
Thats right. And its inclusion, along with long shots of an underage ass only tell us who was the target audience for the movie.
But i thought troubled pizza boy was universally appealing ???
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 27, 2010, 11:24:40 PM
And your point being?
Just to make an example outside the A/P universe,
Mimic is a pretty dark and mostly with a restricted color palette, but both AvP & AvPR, with a larger color range, can't hold a candle to it. Wider Color Range =/= better overall quality, geddit?
Quote from: tonyzork on Sep 28, 2010, 06:55:12 AM
But i thought troubled pizza boy was universally appealing ???
How could anyone not appreciate such original, deep and shakespearian character? :D
Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2010, 03:19:57 AM
Twice.
Oh come on now, AvP could be mediocre all you want, but laughably bad?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 28, 2010, 12:06:00 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 27, 2010, 11:24:40 PM
And your point being?
Just to make an example outside the A/P universe, Mimic is a pretty dark and mostly with a restricted color palette, but both AvP & AvPR, with a larger color range, can't hold a candle to it. Wider Color Range =/= better overall quality, geddit?
No. I know a colour palette is neither here nor there, but when the film is bad to begin with, lack of colour (or not depending on your view) only adds to the problem,
QuoteOh come on now, AvP could be mediocre all you want, but laughably bad?
Every time I think "You know... AvP wasn't
that bad", I ponder a little longer and come to the conclusion that "Yes. It was."
What makes you reconsider?
Reconsider that it's bad or good?
Good.
Oh I dunno. Stuff like "That's some decent set design" or "That's a nice shot there". All comes undone though after thinking about it for a few seconds and realising, "Christ this script is shithouse", "Goddamn, these characters are f**king dull", "They use decimal time, but have minutes sixty seconds long?", "Aliens that go from hugger to adult in less than 10 minutes??", "And have 20 foot long tails???", "Why does that Predator need a human chick as a sidekick, when her holding the Predators guns just lead to his Predator mates getting killed?", "Are the Aliens and Predators going to have another fight or was that 3 and a half minute scene earlier it?", "Why is there no f**king blood in this movie with killer monsters????"
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2010, 03:05:41 AM
Oh I dunno. Stuff like "That's some decent set design" or "That's a nice shot there". All comes undone though after thinking about it for a few seconds and realising, "Christ this script is shithouse", "Goddamn, these characters are f**king dull", "They use decimal time, but have minutes sixty seconds long?", "Aliens that go from hugger to adult in less than 10 minutes??", "And have 20 foot long tails???", "Why does that Predator need a human chick as a sidekick, when her holding the Predators guns just lead to his Predator mates getting killed?", "Are the Aliens and Predators going to have another fight or was that 3 and a half minute scene earlier it?", "Why is there no f**king blood in this movie with killer monsters????"
Truer words have never been spoken
I voted for AvP-R.
I think AvP-R is more good than AvP. Why ?
Action more intense,
Original Predator sound effects,
Predator looked and acted more like the originals,etc
AvP was good too.
Trolls in 3....2....1....
You're supposed to post that before the troll posts, not after, silly.
Hahaha good point.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 28, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
No.
That's
so bad. *Loads Caliber 50*
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 28, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
I know a colour palette is neither here nor there, but when the film is bad to begin with, lack of colour (or not depending on your view) only adds to the problem,
Bah, I don't see why.
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2010, 03:05:41 AM
"They use decimal time, but have minutes sixty seconds long?"
No film is free from plot holes.
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2010, 03:05:41 AM
"Why is there no f**king blood in this movie with killer monsters????"
Um, there is blood.
Quote from: WolfPredator10 on Sep 29, 2010, 05:50:16 AM
I voted for AvP-R.
I think AvP-R is more good than AvP. Why ?
Action more intense,
Original Predator sound effects,
Predator looked and acted more like the originals,etc
AvP was good too.
^ Nope, i don't think he is trolling he is just giving his opinion. Which is pretty close of mind about AvPR (i prefer it to AvP by far)
Given his Avatar , signature and name, it's not hard to guess he is an AvPR fan (even if appearances can fool)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 29, 2010, 11:59:50 AM
Um, there is blood.
Barely any. It's yet another problem with AvP because the A/P films were never shy about getting messy on-camera. Why tone it down for this one?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 29, 2010, 11:59:50 AM
Um, there is blood.
Barely any. It's yet another problem with AvP because the A/P films were never shy about getting messy on-camera. Why tone it down for this one?
Well the first AvP movie was very shy about human blood (that's why it was a only PEGI 13 movie)
whiel AvP-R a far more gore
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
It's yet another problem with AvP because the A/P films were never shy about getting messy on-camera.
Yeah they were. AvP has about as much blood as
Aliens.
One film. Versus five others.
QuoteUm, there is blood.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 29, 2010, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
It's yet another problem with AvP because the A/P films were never shy about getting messy on-camera.
Yeah they were. AvP has about as much blood as Aliens.
You'll have to refresh my memory 'cos the only bloody bit I remember from AvP was the laughable Rousseau burster.
Aliens had the colonist burster and Ferro's nasty demise. Granted not much blood in the grand scheme of things - but a stack more than AvP - which speaks volumes about AvP if Aliens has lots more. I mean - Sebastian's burster? How low can a series sink??
QuoteNo film is free from plot holes.
That's only the tip of the completely unseasonal iceberg though (see what I did there?)
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2010, 11:44:16 PM
QuoteNo film is free from plot holes.
That's only the tip of the completely unseasonal iceberg though (see what I did there?)
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There was also that small bit of human blood when the predator killed the guy outside the pyramid entrance. His blood went spraying across the snow.
Oh yeah. Forgot about that bit. Can you blame me?
Quote from: SM on Sep 30, 2010, 02:32:56 AM
Oh yeah. Forgot about that bit. Can you blame me?
Not at all.
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2010, 11:44:16 PM
You'll have to refresh my memory 'cos the only bloody bit I remember from AvP was the laughable Rousseau burster.
Aliens had the colonist burster and Ferro's nasty demise. Granted not much blood in the grand scheme of things - but a stack more than AvP - which speaks volumes about AvP if Aliens has lots more. I mean - Sebastian's burster? How low can a series sink??
I wouldn't even call it a burster. More like it exploded from his chest because it said "balls, host is dead".
Followed by "My, but aren't I clean and free from any of my hosts circulatory fluid!"
"That's just not cricket!"
Quote from: SM on Sep 30, 2010, 02:39:15 AM
Followed by "My, but aren't I clean and free from any of my hosts circulatory fluid!"
Swiftly countered with Scar's "Hah, bitch".
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Sep 29, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: WolfPredator10 on Sep 29, 2010, 05:50:16 AM
I voted for AvP-R.
I think AvP-R is more good than AvP. Why ?
Action more intense,
Original Predator sound effects,
Predator looked and acted more like the originals,etc
AvP was good too.
^ Nope, i don't think he is trolling he is just giving his opinion. Which is pretty close of mind about AvPR (i prefer it to AvP by far)
Given his Avatar , signature and name, it's not hard to guess he is an AvPR fan (even if appearances can fool)
That's Right ! +10
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2010, 11:44:16 PM
You'll have to refresh my memory 'cos the only bloody bit I remember from AvP was the laughable Rousseau burster.
And the guy getting sliced up by Scar in the grotto.
They both have all of two shots of blood. Although
AvP has a shitload more guts in it. They just aren't human.
Rousseau? Was that a character's name? A philosophy reference, perhaps? :P (Joke: I don't think AVP is that deep).
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 30, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
Rousseau? Was that a character's name? A philosophy reference, perhaps? :P (Joke: I don't think AVP is that deep).
Don't be so sure. Given the final scene the where scar and lex run "in love" . This movie could belong to the romantic literature movement where Rousseau was a precursor. (if i remeber well) :D :D ;D
Is the end of AVP a metaphor for Emile? The dangers of man shunning civilisation and re-entering a state of nature which he is now unequipped to deal with, thereby showing the dreadful, sad necessity of the social contract.
...
:D
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 30, 2010, 10:23:16 AM
Is the end of AVP a metaphor for Emile? The dangers of man shunning civilisation and re-entering a state of nature which he is now unequipped to deal with, thereby showing the dreadful, sad necessity of the social contract.
...
:D
^ROFL :D :D :D :D :D
QuoteOriginal Predator sound effects,
Predator looked and acted more like the originals,etc
Eeee, I am not so sure, roar, shoulder cannon, cloak, wristbaldes do not sound like the original. Clicking is okay. and no problem with not sounding the same, because city hunter didn't sound like jungle hunter (at least not all the time)... though Wolf had some avpish sounds also... :(
Design wise yes, Wolf looked more predatorish than avp preds... but he didn't act so much better. Gestures and body language was better for sure.... but retarded way of fighting, kicking door, trying pistol (seriously, it is something I do not comprehend).... no thanks. Though I think in fact design wise he was better.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Barely any.
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Yeah man, that's
so right.
Quote from: SM on Sep 29, 2010, 11:44:16 PM
That's only the tip of the completely unseasonal iceberg though (see what I did there?)
*Weird nose noises*
That got me.
Regarding AvPR having original Predator sounds... so ironic, because it lacks the signature roar (oh, included in AvP!)
But the locking triangle sound was the original one in AvP R (i love so much this effect).
And (that's personal) the Plasma shooting sound in AvPR was better than the weird "bloop" sound of AvP plasma caster (but that's only my opinion)
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^ The AVP alien is environmentally friendly. No mess to worry about.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 30, 2010, 01:35:48 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Barely any.
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Yeah man, that's so right.
Yeah man, it is. Compared to the original movies, that's nothing. You might want to re-watch them for confirmation.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 29, 2010, 09:00:45 PM
Barely any.
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Yeah man, that's so right.
Yeah man, it is. Compared to the original movies, that's nothing. You might want to re-watch them for confirmation.
Quite. How many seconds of screen time is all that lot? 5? 6?
5 definitely. If we really wanted to be generous, 7.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 30, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
Yeah man, it is.
No, it isn't. "Barely any"... barely fits those sequences (see what I did there?)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 30, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
Compared to the original movies, that's nothing. You might want to re-watch them for confirmation.
Alien got only one monstrously gory scene, and it is the chestbursting scene. Inside the film there are only two more, alas Brett's death (bolt-quick, and we don't get to see much) and Parker & Lambert's, the first being bolt-quick like Brett's and the second offscreen, although we later see the bl00dy foot.
Aliens got Ferro's demise and the Woman chestbursted, for the rest there isn't much by far.
Alien3 and
Alien: Resurrection are pretty gory, not exceedingly but they indeed have more gore than AvP.
Predator &
Predator 2 too are gory.
..But I don't even understand why we're discussing (again; it is like the fifth time I get into this argument) about how AvP "lacks" gore; for the hell of it, I really don't care if the Alien/Predator films are or are not gory;
Alien would be a masterpiece even if the Chestbursting had half of the blood.
Aliens would have survived without the blood sprayed on the dropship window, Predator would be one of the most memorable films eve even without the Predator blowing Mac's brains straight off, etc. Gore means nothing when we have to give a judgement to a film. AvP has a lot of flaws, but gore isn't one of them by a long shot.
I agree. Not the gore is what makes these movies so amazing; it is included some (or many) times, ye... but tension is kept up many other ways, not only bloodshed... avp is not bad because it has few gory/ bloody scenes... only it is higlighted becuse how bad that ovie is.
And by the way the point in the movie is aliens fighting predators: there is really much acidic blood and luminescent as well... (the latter looks terrible though).
I would imagine more fans of Alien would be voting AvP, and more fans of Predator would vote AvP:R.
I vote them both as massive cinematic fails, and sentence Anderson and the Strauses to sitting in a steam room heated by the steaming piles of shit that are their movies. For eternity.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 30, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
Yeah man, it is.
No, it isn't. "Barely any"... barely fits those sequences (see what I did there?)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 30, 2010, 10:00:55 PM
Compared to the original movies, that's nothing. You might want to re-watch them for confirmation.
Alien got only one monstrously gory scene, and it is the chestbursting scene. Inside the film there are only two more, alas Brett's death (bolt-quick, and we don't get to see much) and Parker & Lambert's, the first being bolt-quick like Brett's and the second offscreen, although we later see the bl00dy foot.
Aliens got Ferro's demise and the Woman chestbursted, for the rest there isn't much by far.
Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection are pretty gory, not exceedingly but they indeed have more gore than AvP.
Predator & Predator 2 too are gory.
..But I don't even understand why we're discussing (again; it is like the fifth time I get into this argument) about how AvP "lacks" gore; for the hell of it, I really don't care if the Alien/Predator films are or are not gory; Alien would be a masterpiece even if the Chestbursting had half of the blood. Aliens would have survived without the blood sprayed on the dropship window, Predator would be one of the most memorable films eve even without the Predator blowing Mac's brains straight off, etc. Gore means nothing when we have to give a judgement to a film. AvP has a lot of flaws, but gore isn't one of them by a long shot.
Whether or not the films are masterpieces is neither here nor there. My point was that the films were never shy about getting being graphic when it came to people dying yet for some reason Anderson decided to play it safe and IMO, it hurt the overall movie.
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Oct 01, 2010, 04:18:32 PM
I would imagine more fans of Alien would be voting AvP, and more fans of Predator would vote AvP:R.
I vote them both as massive cinematic fails, and sentence Anderson and the Strauses to sitting in a steam room heated by the steaming piles of shit that are their movies. For eternity.
Now, now; Anderson did make
Event Horizon. That gets him a bit of slack.
'Course, he also made that terrible
Soldier film, and then tried to say it took place in the Blade Runner universe. Hm...
Damn, I never knew he tried to pass Soldier off as a Blade Runner spin-off. :o
Actually, just looked it up; Anderson didn't say that. However, the writer (David Peoples) did.
The lack of gore wasnt the problem in AVP. They fixed this for AVP:R and look how that turned out. A bad script is a bad script no matter how many gallons of blood were shed. Having said that, AVP was the first PG movie of the series. Good start to a franchise...
Why would you rate a film PG when the series you're basing it on was R rated to begin with?
some damn fool at fox's idea
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 01, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
My point was that the films were never shy about getting being graphic when it came to people dying
Okey, and? Besides the fact that Aliens hidden the death of a shitload of people.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 01, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
yet for some reason Anderson decided to play it safe
He didn't. There is a lot of Alien and Predator violence, and
that's what the movie is based on in first place.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 01, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
and IMO, it hurt the overall movie.
Bah.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 02, 2010, 06:12:11 AM
Why would you rate a film PG when the series you're basing it on was R rated to begin with?
Maximization of potential audience.
Anderson did what he was told. Studio wanted a PG-13 movie, he delivered.
I can't argue with that ^
I was really expecting fox to push an AVP happymeal.
>> << >> <<
I would get the happy meal.....
{Waits for the boos}
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>> << >> <<
I would get the happy meal.....
{Waits for the boos}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRT70ceAMQ4
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 03, 2010, 02:01:18 AM
I was really expecting fox to push an AVP happymeal.
Why would they? It's not a film for kids.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 03, 2010, 05:12:42 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 03, 2010, 02:01:18 AM
I was really expecting fox to push an AVP happymeal.
Why would they? It's not a film for kids.
They turned an R-rated franchise into PG. AVP came from comics. They had a kenner toy range aimed at kids. They turned the predators into a hulking super heroes. U really put it past them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKSv85mJEmY
MAAAA!!! I WANNA TOY FROM A FILM I'M NOT OLD ENOUGH TO WATCH!!!!!
You fools! It could use the vents!
as a kid i was so shocked when they brought out the kenner figs. I didnt know about the comics at the time and i thought it was awesome that they made toys based on my 2 favorite movies.
The 80's were a different time.
Thank God it's not the 80's.
You were able to buy a Freddy Krueger glove. The clawed glove of a child murdering pervert ... a toy ...
Voted AVPR. It was more an actual horror film with the gore. Which I like. ;D
It wasn't scary and the gore wasn't disgusting. So it wasn't any more of a horror movie.
Gore was disgusting.
However, Horror is something that scares you. AvPR is not an horror by any means.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 04, 2010, 07:55:29 AM
It wasn't scary and the gore wasn't disgusting. So it wasn't any more of a horror movie.
I thought that 'baby-burster' scene was disgusting? Gratuitous at least.
It was dumb because of the piss-poor execution. Shame, coz it could have had real effect it was done properly.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 04, 2010, 08:41:25 PM
It was dumb because of the piss-poor execution. Shame, coz it could have had real effect it was done properly.
Agree, even pregnant women reaction when chestbusted was poor.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 04, 2010, 03:03:46 AM
You were able to buy a Freddy Krueger glove. The clawed glove of a child murdering pervert ... a toy ...
Yeah, my older brother who was about 8 at the time when the movie was out, had the mask and glove.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 03, 2010, 05:12:42 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 03, 2010, 02:01:18 AM
I was really expecting fox to push an AVP happymeal.
Why would they? It's not a film for kids.
They turned an R-rated franchise into PG. AVP came from comics. They had a kenner toy range aimed at kids. They turned the predators into a hulking super heroes. U really put it past them?
The comics weren't exactly tame, from what I recall.
No worse than any batman comic.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 05, 2010, 12:21:31 AM
No worse than any batman comic.
Batman doesn't kill. He may beat the shit out of people, but he very rarely kills anyone.
I've never read a Batman comic that was as gory as Rogue or Labyrinth.
I read Dark Knight Returns a little while back, which one would expect to be pretty violent considering it's Frank Miller - but I don't remember anything close to approaching Alien-esque gore.
Batman isn't extreme violence. He can be violent, but nothing like what you'll see in an Alien comic.
It can be extreme violence - but it's not shit bursting out of people's chests and having their heads bitten off.
It's not super gory, is what I was getting at.
Yus.
What about Joker beating a teenage robin to death with a crowbar? Or shooting barbara gordan in the spine, then stripping her nude and taking pictures of her body for display? Have you never seen what killer croc does to his victims? Or zsasz? Aliens/Predator is gore from an outerworldly being. Batman is raw and visceral dealing with rape and murder. I'd pit that these are more damaging to young minds than a fiction parasite bursting through a chest.
Bats is more real, so I guess it could be argued it's more violent only because it's disturbing. But A/P is more in your face coz there's blood and guts flying everywhere.
In the battle for the cowl series we see blood flying as people get shot. Decapitations. Killer croc ate a young girl and many others. None of which was censored. Thats just one series i can think of off the top of my head.
And is a few brief snatches here and there across the course of 71 years, whereas Aliens comics have stack of gore in every series - sometimes in every issue; sometimes more than once.
As for Death in the Family, Robin's beating was all done out of frame.
Well true you're right. Overall Batman isn't as gory as AVP, though at times the themes are a lot darker. My original point is that if they can bring out a toyline based off these "gory" comics the same as they would a saturday morning cartoon show, and they can water down a R-rated franchise to a PG one, whats to stop them from marketing it towards kids. The statement was more tongue-in-cheek than anything, although clearly that was lost on this board.
Well since you never attempted to portray it as tongue-in-cheek I wouldn't complain too much.
Fox have attempted to market Alien to kids since it's inception.
precisely
I Cant Decide ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :(
AvP had a WAAAY better story, and better lighting and camera, but lacked the effects technology of AVPR (AVP2)
AvPR (as i said above) had really amasing effects, but absaloutly crap storyline.
I cant decide
Plz reply and tell me wot i shood do!
thanx in advance
Vote AvP.
'Ya'll make the Predator in your avatar happy.
Vote AvP-R
No reason really...
Coz it's win.
And here we, go.
"Win" is relative of course.
Quote from: SM on Oct 14, 2010, 01:53:40 AM
"Win" is relative of course.
It's still win!
Relative to a pool of vomit, yes.
Just.
Says you, old man.
'tain't jus me, young stripling.
What-eva!
Git orf mah lawn!
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:D
See, he has the right idea.
Is no idea the right idea?
No. ;D
Click (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=12160.2760).
Ah, the memories...
Both bad and good thar.
Ah why, those pages were funny as hell to write... especially the breaking news post. :P
I still surpised how many votes AvPR has on this forum (even if i personaly like AvPR) .
I thought this movie was more hated than this.
This thread is really the lesser of two evils. They both suck. Just about which one sucks more.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 27, 2010, 11:23:39 PM
This thread is really the lesser of two evils. They both suck. Just about which one sucks more.
Or about which sucks less ;D
The only thing I judge these films is by look, style and action, because the story is pathetic no matter what spin you put on it.
The first film severely lacked action so there isn't much to judge. Oh wait...
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 27, 2010, 11:34:34 PM
The only thing I judge these films is by look, style and action, because the story is pathetic no matter what spin you put on it.
The first AvP was basically a badly told version of Lovecraft's
At The Mountains Of Madness. Nothing wrong with the plot or anything -- it was all in the execution.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 28, 2010, 03:22:33 PM
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 27, 2010, 11:34:34 PM
The only thing I judge these films is by look, style and action, because the story is pathetic no matter what spin you put on it.
The first AvP was basically a badly told version of Lovecraft's At The Mountains Of Madness. Nothing wrong with the plot or anything -- it was all in the execution.
The plot was fine. I can dig the right of passage thing. But the setting, dialogue, and the characters were horrible. The temple was cool but should have been on another planet in the future.
You were cool with the team up too?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 29, 2010, 12:07:33 AM
You were cool with the team up too?
Heeeeeeeelllllllllll Nah!
I was talking to some mates of mine and they had one problem with AVP: Killing two Preds with one Alien. In the same 10 mins too.
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 29, 2010, 11:09:10 AM
I was talking to some mates of mine and they had one problem with AVP: Killing two Preds with one Alien. In the same 10 mins too.
Most people that aren't diehard alien fans found that strange. Meh.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 29, 2010, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 29, 2010, 11:09:10 AM
I was talking to some mates of mine and they had one problem with AVP: Killing two Preds with one Alien. In the same 10 mins too.
Most people that aren't diehard alien fans found that strange. Meh.
Casual viewers found it strange. Most people I ask say that Predator would win against Alien.
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 29, 2010, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 29, 2010, 11:14:28 AM
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 29, 2010, 11:09:10 AM
I was talking to some mates of mine and they had one problem with AVP: Killing two Preds with one Alien. In the same 10 mins too.
Most people that aren't diehard alien fans found that strange. Meh.
Casual viewers found it strange. Most people I ask say that Predator would win against Alien.
That is the general consensus, yes.
Shit happens. Preds make mistakes. Aliens win. Works for me.
Quote from: samoht on Oct 29, 2010, 11:38:40 AM
Shit happens. Preds make mistakes. Aliens win. Works for me.
Shit happens. Paulie screws up. Cries of outrage.
Shit happens, equality.
Although it sucked from a plotting standpoint, I loved every f**king second of it just to see Predator fans react to the same sort of horseshit Alien fans have put up with since 1989.
Way, way f**king overdue.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 11:00:22 PM
Although it sucked from a plotting standpoint, I loved every f**king second of it just to see Predator fans react to the same sort of horseshit Alien fans have put up with since 1989.
Way, way f**king overdue.
Are you serious? Are you f**king serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 30, 2010, 03:32:23 AM
Are you serious? Are you f**king serious?
Hell yes.
f**k Pred fanboys, they deserved it.
Equally I love the people who lap up Wolf like he's some saving grace of the franchise. Guy couldn't get shit done for the life of him, and there are people that hail him as a badass.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2010, 05:07:15 AM
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 30, 2010, 03:32:23 AM
Are you serious? Are you f**king serious?
Hell yes.
f**k Pred fanboys, they deserved it.
Your taking it on Preds just because the Aliens went through some horseshit movies?
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Quote from: SiL on Oct 29, 2010, 11:00:22 PM
Although it sucked from a plotting standpoint, I loved every f**king second of it just to see Predator fans react to the same sort of horseshit Alien fans have put up with since 1989.
Way, way f**king overdue.
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I'm with SiL on this one.
One Predator takes out like a bazillion Aliens, repeat for 20 years. Alien fans grin and bear it.
One Alien takes out two Predators. Never happens again. Predator fans are still flipping out.
Yeah, f**k that shit.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2010, 05:13:50 AM
Equally I love the people who lap up Wolf like he's some saving grace of the franchise. Guy couldn't get shit done for the life of him, and there are people that hail him as a badass.
Most people (if not everybody) i know in french's AvP forums (only the ones i know) consider him as a huge badass.
To be honest this forum i sthe only one i know (personaly) where it's not recommended to say loudly that Wofl is a badass and that you liked AvPR
But whatever that's not important. It makes this forum more unique ;D
More seriously i would really like to know why A:R is so much hated? i pretty like it. But i never found the thread about why A:R is hated like AvPR. Can somebody give me a link or reasons? ( simple curiosity)
I don't know about any threads of that nature, but I like AR.
I mean, it's a bad film. A lot of issues, and the Aliens themselves don't play a big enough role and don't feel especially threatening unless they're on-screen.
But I think it's fun to watch.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
I don't know about any threads of that nature, but I like AR.
I mean, it's a bad film. A lot of issues, and the Aliens themselves don't play a big enough role and don't feel especially threatening unless they're on-screen.
But I think it's fun to watch.
Did you find the actors bad? or the FX were bad?
I just want to know more about why A:R isn't appreciate. Don't be shy ;D
The acting is pretty good. I liked the space pirates, anyway, although the military general is too over-the-top. The CGI was good for the time, and I can't fault any of the other effects.
What I disliked were these things:
- The plot premise was pretty bad. Cloning a human being won't result in cloning parasite organisms.
- The pacing. It interrupts itself too often, and the whole movie could've benefited from the Aliens showing up more often.
- Not enough Alien stuff. We needed to see more Aliens doing their thing, spread over more time, to feel more threatened.
- The Newborn comes out of nowhere and dominates the last act of the movie. I came to see Aliens, damnit.
- It didn't take itself seriously enough. Too much silly humour in a film that's supposed to have an oppressive atmosphere.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
The acting is pretty good. I liked the space pirates, anyway, although the military general is too over-the-top. The CGI was good for the time, and I can't fault any of the other effects.
What I disliked were these things:
- The plot premise was pretty bad. Cloning a human being won't result in cloning parasite organisms.
- The pacing. It interrupts itself too often, and the whole movie could've benefited from the Aliens showing up more often.
- Not enough Alien stuff. We needed to see more Aliens doing their thing, spread over more time, to feel more threatened.
- The Newborn comes out of nowhere and dominates the last act of the movie. I came to see Aliens, damnit.
- It didn't take itself seriously enough. Too much silly humour in a film that's supposed to have an oppressive atmosphere.
OK thanks for you answers ;)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 03:36:58 PM
I'm with SiL on this one.
One Predator takes out like a bazillion Aliens, repeat for 20 years. Alien fans grin and bear it.
One Alien takes out two Predators. Never happens again. Predator fans are still flipping out.
Yeah, f**k that shit.
^This is the truth, I remember reading the first AVP comic and seeing Aliens f*cking massacred, yet I don't see anybody complaining about it. Then once an Alien kills 2 Predators it's "OMG Blaspheme!"
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
The plot premise was pretty bad. Cloning a human being won't result in cloning parasite organisms.
I always thought that since it's a parasite, it somewhat took nutrients from the Host's blood, thus resulting in something of it getting on the blood itself.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 05:12:17 PM
Not enough Alien stuff. We needed to see more Aliens doing their thing, spread over more time, to feel more threatened.
Last time I watched Resurrection I somewhat felt this too. A third scene after the "trap" and the Underwater one would've been awesome.
Resurrection is like a carnival freak show, they're just wandering through the ship and it's like "oh look, here's a super clone lady and there's some mutant Aliens neatly caged and here is some freaky failed clones in glowing tubes and oh, here's a mutated Queen with its hybrid Alien offspring."
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 03:36:58 PM
I'm with SiL on this one.
One Predator takes out like a bazillion Aliens, repeat for 20 years. Alien fans grin and bear it.
One Alien takes out two Predators. Never happens again. Predator fans are still flipping out.
Yeah, f**k that shit.
That was just comics. Big whoop. Other then that, I really don't know how to respond. Maybe:
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Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 30, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 03:36:58 PM
I'm with SiL on this one.
One Predator takes out like a bazillion Aliens, repeat for 20 years. Alien fans grin and bear it.
One Alien takes out two Predators. Never happens again. Predator fans are still flipping out.
Yeah, f**k that shit.
That was just comics.
AvPR would like to have a word with you.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on Oct 30, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 30, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 03:36:58 PM
I'm with SiL on this one.
One Predator takes out like a bazillion Aliens, repeat for 20 years. Alien fans grin and bear it.
One Alien takes out two Predators. Never happens again. Predator fans are still flipping out.
Yeah, f**k that shit.
That was just comics.
AvPR would like to have a word with you.
Mr. Bean (the director) would like a word with you.
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 30, 2010, 11:43:19 PM
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Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 03:36:58 PM
I'm with SiL on this one.
One Predator takes out like a bazillion Aliens, repeat for 20 years. Alien fans grin and bear it.
One Alien takes out two Predators. Never happens again. Predator fans are still flipping out.
Yeah, f**k that shit.
That was just comics.
AvPR would like to have a word with you.
Mr. Bean (the director) would like a word with you.
Either that simply made no sense, or it flew over my head.
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Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2010, 03:36:58 PM
I'm with SiL on this one.
One Predator takes out like a bazillion Aliens, repeat for 20 years. Alien fans grin and bear it.
One Alien takes out two Predators. Never happens again. Predator fans are still flipping out.
Yeah, f**k that shit.
That was just comics.
AvPR would like to have a word with you.
Mr. Bean (the director) would like a word with you.
Either that simply made no sense, or it flew over my head.
You son't know who he is, do you?
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 30, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
That was just comics. Big whoop.
And the games (although the Aliens are markedly more deadly than is usual for the EU in the Rebellion games, granted). And the other film.
99% of the franchise, total, is made squarely of Predators kicking Aliens' asses like it's going out of fashion -- and it has. The thing about that is, apart from how it violates the
Alien canon and ignores the otherworldly implications of the Aliens is that it's just
boring. The first AvP comic doesn't contain a whole lot of Aliens fighting Predators, but what
is there isn't very exciting because once you see the pattern, it's all predictable.
Shit, what's stopping an Alien from wholesale pulling a spear out of a Predator's hands and tail impaling the poor sonnovabitch where he stands at any moment? Writers, mostly. Think about it. An Alien has two extra ways to strike over any other four-limbed, land-dwelling organism. There's plenty of ways to capitalise on that, but we never see any. What about grabbing a Predator's spear, holding it against the thing's body and headbiting while it struggles to think of a way out of the situation? Or what about an Alien tripping a Predator with its tail and crippling a limb or two before it can react?
We don't get fights like that. All we get is the writers talking about how expert the Predators are with generic action shots of them cutting up Aliens.
The one time we
did get a story about one Alien taking out multiple Predators in the comics, it was a Predalien. Gee, thanks, whoever wrote that.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2010, 03:18:38 AM
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 30, 2010, 07:48:50 PM
That was just comics. Big whoop.
And the games (although the Aliens are markedly more deadly than is usual for the EU in the Rebellion games, granted). And the other film.
99% of the franchise, total, is made squarely of Predators kicking Aliens' asses like it's going out of fashion -- and it has. The thing about that is, apart from how it violates the Alien canon and ignores the otherworldly implications of the Aliens is that it's just boring. The first AvP comic doesn't contain a whole lot of Aliens fighting Predators, but what is there isn't very exciting because once you see the pattern, it's all predictable.
Shit, what's stopping an Alien from wholesale pulling a spear out of a Predator's hands and tail impaling the poor sonnovabitch where he stands at any moment? Writers, mostly. Think about it. An Alien has two extra ways to strike over any other four-limbed, land-dwelling organism. There's plenty of ways to capitalise on that, but we never see any. What about grabbing a Predator's spear, holding it against the thing's body and headbiting while it struggles to think of a way out of the situation? Or what about an Alien tripping a Predator with its tail and crippling a limb or two before it can react?
We don't get fights like that. All we get is the writers talking about how expert the Predators are with generic action shots of them cutting up Aliens.
The one time we did get a story about one Alien taking out multiple Predators in the comics, it was a Predalien. Gee, thanks, whoever wrote that.
General opinion amoungst fans and casual viewers alike is that is how it would happen. They're not going against the grain. 20 years on and I agree we need more variety in the action. Grid killed off 2 preds. Big whoop. Chopper was caught unaware and deserves to be killed off and celtic went for the glory kill and paid the price. Despite being a battle to the death, its a sport to them, and sometimes you lose. I only didn't like the go go gadget tail and melting weaponry, but the outcome was fine by me.
People expect that outcome solely because it's been drilled into their heads, but then the Aliens have both their own comics and the AvP comics working against them.
Anderson's AVP was the first material to suggest otherwise.
The Alien films would be way ahead of you there.
It showed what they can do against humans that have no idea what they are doing, or are insufficiently armed. Predators know everything about the xeno and hunt using weapons specifically for them. If a guy goes walking around africa and stumbles on a lion, chances are he's gonna get a hurt reaaall bad. A big game hunter specifically there with the purpose of hunting a lion with appropriate equipment and weapons has completely different odds. Yes the marines in Aliens went in after the xeno, but the first encounter just showed they really knew NOTHING about their enemy. Even ripley failed to shed much light on the xeno.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 31, 2010, 05:42:35 AM
Predators know everything about the xeno
Complete assumption.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 31, 2010, 05:42:35 AMand hunt using weapons specifically for them.
As is this.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 31, 2010, 05:42:35 AMIf a guy goes walking around africa and stumbles on a lion, chances are he's gonna get a hurt reaaall bad. A big game hunter specifically there with the purpose of hunting a lion with appropriate equipment and weapons has completely different odds.
I hate this hunter/lion analogy because it doesn't take into account the unknown factors of the Alien. We don't know its psychology or its physiology. We don't even know if they can be categorised as the same kind of life we are -- for all our information tells us, they could be as different to us as we are to plants.
Based on the material we're presented though the analogy can still work because the Alien is hunted like a lion. The Predator knows what its up against so it takes the proper equipment for the job.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2010, 06:07:16 AM
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 31, 2010, 05:42:35 AM
Predators know everything about the xeno
Complete assumption.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 31, 2010, 05:42:35 AMand hunt using weapons specifically for them.
As is this.
Quote from: tonyzork on Oct 31, 2010, 05:42:35 AMIf a guy goes walking around africa and stumbles on a lion, chances are he's gonna get a hurt reaaall bad. A big game hunter specifically there with the purpose of hunting a lion with appropriate equipment and weapons has completely different odds.
I hate this hunter/lion analogy because it doesn't take into account the unknown factors of the Alien. We don't know its psychology or its physiology. We don't even know if they can be categorised as the same kind of life we are -- for all our information tells us, they could be as different to us as we are to plants.
Your right, we DONT know anything about them. And thats why they keep whooping our asses. Predators hunt these things as a right of passage so its a pretty safe assumption they know a lot about them. There's more supporting material for this than to the contrary.
The consistency with which the Predators fail to contain the Aliens speaks volumes to them having no better understanding than we do.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 31, 2010, 08:49:30 AM
The consistency with which the Predators fail to contain the Aliens speaks volumes to them having no better understanding than we do.
At the very least, Predators stand a much bigger chance of standing up to Xenomorphs. They certainly should have some knowledge on them and how to handle them if they've been hunting them for this long.
Quote from: SpacePredator on Oct 31, 2010, 09:35:14 PM
At the very least, Predators stand a much bigger chance of standing up to Xenomorphs. They certainly should have some knowledge on them and how to handle them if they've been hunting them for this long.
Should, but clearly don't. They seem no more able to contain them than we do -- and have precisely the same track record. Which is 0.
Seemed like they were doing just fine with containment in AvP until the humans f**ked it up.
Cos the flashback didn't show them f**king up at all.
Right, two f**ked up movies tell you so.
You want to add the comics where they literally fail every single time as well ???
This AVP and AVPR, not the comics. Which I don't consider canon anyway.
I'm really, really lost.
Every piece of media which depicts the Predators wrangling the Aliens also shows the Aliens breaking free and ruining everyone's shit. So where are you getting that Predators would be able to do it any more effectively than either A) We've been seen to or B) They've been seen to?
The AVP films prove SiL's point perfectly.
First, we have the flashback showing the Predators getting manhandled. Then, the humans do exactly what the Predators want them to do (that is, release the Aliens). They mess up their ritual by getting killed and impregnated. Then the Predators take an impregnated corpse onto their ship, where it bursts and kills the whole crew (who specialized in containment of Aliens) by itself, crashing the ship into Earth and starting an infestation. The Predators decide to fix this situation by sending all of one Predator, who fails hard enough to get himself killed halfway through his job, force the humans to nuke the infestation, and let Predator technology fall into human hands.
So yeah, by the films indications, the Predators are pretty Goddamn horrible at containing Aliens.
We're not talking about containment. The original discussion me and Madass were having was knowledge of the xeno and comparing the humans from the Aliens films to predators.
In Alien, they knew NOTHING about the xeno and all got easily picked apart. In aliens, they had ripley's report, which gave little more than how it was born and that its got acid blood. They didn't know about the hive, the queen or anything really. They walked straight into an ambush totally unprepared and got waxed for it. By the time they figured out tactics of the xeno, the had already lost the drop ship and the APC and most of the unit. The rest of the film consisted of them trying to escape, using salvaged weapons to survive.
The fact that the predators in the AVP franchise (regardless of the medium) hunt xeno that THEY SET UP speaks volumes about their understanding of the creature. They harvest these creatures to hunt. Their blades, armour and guns were all bigger in AVP because Anderson said they would have to be bigger to hunt xeno. Scar showed on several occasions that he knew about xenos, their weapons, the weaknesses. Bottom line is, the Preds have always shown more of an understanding than humans when it comes to xeno, and therefore would be better prepared to face them.
Oh and the xeno usually escape due to humans getting in the way and messing up the hunt. And no matter how much knowledge you have on xeno, they have a nack for escaping.
And since they escape so often - due to Predators f**king up somehow - one wonders how they were ever contained in the first place.
Quote from: tonyzork on Nov 01, 2010, 03:10:19 AM
The fact that the predators in the AVP franchise (regardless of the medium) hunt xeno that THEY SET UP speaks volumes about their understanding of the creature. They harvest these creatures to hunt. Their blades, armour and guns were all bigger in AVP because Anderson said they would have to be bigger to hunt xeno. Scar showed on several occasions that he knew about xenos, their weapons, the weaknesses. Bottom line is, the Preds have always shown more of an understanding than humans when it comes to xeno, and therefore would be better prepared to face them.
That's a far cry from "all there is to know".
Whatever. The fact remains they know a shitload more than humans about the xeno, and they usually equip themselves accordingly.
It doesn't take much observation to know that you need a bigger weapon for a stronger adversary. In fact, I'd consider that pretty obvious.
We don't even know if the Space Jockeys knew much about the Alien, and they've been described as star gods.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 01, 2010, 04:20:29 AM
It doesn't take much observation to know that you need a bigger weapon for a stronger adversary. In fact, I'd consider that pretty obvious.
We don't even know if the Space Jockeys knew much about the Alien, and they've been described as star gods.
The Preds know enought the xeno to have a vision mode especially for them, and in the deleat scenes SCAR shows how much he knows the Alien anatomy (to lex) by making , a dead alien corpse "innner jawed" with a accruat dagger stab in his head.
EDIT: all preds weapons are not especially bigger (even if some of them are) :
AvP spears are toothpick compare to Pussyface's spear.
And the plasma caster can be charged and have highly adjustable power settings (don't need bigger one)
Despite that, AvP did feature different, distinct "calibers" of plasma caster; Scar's one seems to fire much larger blasts than previous iterations.
Good job on the vision mode thing. I didn't think of that. That doesn't prove that they have vast amounts of knowledge about the Aliens, though, just that they've got some.
Quote from: tonyzork on Nov 01, 2010, 03:10:19 AM
The fact that the predators in the AVP franchise (regardless of the medium) hunt xeno that THEY SET UP speaks volumes about their understanding of the creature.
No. It doesn't.
All it shows is that they know that if they shove the eggs somewhere there's life they'll get adult Aliens. They also know they have acid for blood and don't show up on infra-red.
Which isn't anything humans hadn't figured out after just two encounters with them.
QuoteOh and the xeno usually escape due to humans getting in the way and messing up the hunt.
Define "usually". Cos the only time I can think that actually happened was maybe AvP: War and the first AvP movie.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 01, 2010, 09:00:47 PM
QuoteOh and the xeno usually escape due to humans getting in the way and messing up the hunt.
Define "usually". Cos the only time I can think that actually happened was maybe AvP: War and the first AvP movie.
I don't even think it's fair to consider the first AVP movie. The humans didn't really do anything the Predators didn't want them to do, aside from stealing one weapon in their arsenal. And even then, they didn't get a chance to use their plasmacasters until after Scar already had his back. Gill got ambushed, Celtic's fight was too close range. It doesn't matter anyway, because there is no way that a few teenage Predators being slightly delayed on getting their guns leads to an outbreak the magnitude of Requiem. The humans didn't really mess anything up.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 01, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
Despite that, AvP did feature different, distinct "calibers" of plasma caster; Scar's one seems to fire much larger blasts than previous iterations.
Good job on the vision mode thing. I didn't think of that. That doesn't prove that they have vast amounts of knowledge about the Aliens, though, just that they've got some.
Yeah you're right. And i found this concept (the different calibers plasma caster) goofy , given how powerful can be a charged plasma shot (see the different blasting radius of Anytime's shots when shooting blindly at Arnie, or Noland getting completly vaporized.....)
The bigger wristblades and bigger blades (gill) where more convincing in the role of bigger/ nastier weapons because of aliens.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 01, 2010, 04:59:28 PM
Despite that, AvP did feature different, distinct "calibers" of plasma caster; Scar's one seems to fire much larger blasts than previous iterations.
Good job on the vision mode thing. I didn't think of that. That doesn't prove that they have vast amounts of knowledge about the Aliens, though, just that they've got some.
Ok good point. They may not know EVERYTHING about them. You would assume that if part of their culture has them capturing a live queen, then harvesting the eggs for the hunt they would have a level of understanding and knowledge. Similar to the amount of knowledge a dairy farmer would have about his cattle. Sure the farmer wouldn't know EVERYTHING about the animal, but he would know a shit load more than most. Thats the point I was trying to make. You cannot compare the humans from the aliens series to the predatos hunting aliens. Its not the same thing and not in the same league. If they didn't blow up the colony on LV-426 and another military unit went in will a full report from Hicks, I'm sure their weapons/tactics would have been a lot different. And so would have the outcome. But they didn't so we'll never know.
You assume that Predator culture is built around the Alien, and that all clans fight and are aware of them.
Chances are that plenty of Predator clans either have no idea the Aliens exist, or know about them but don't fight them on a regular basis. Or ever.
We don't know enough about the Predators to begin with. That's the biggest whole -- to know that Predators know everything about the Alien, we have to know everything about the Predators and we don't. And the Alien's nature seems to lend itself to breaking established rules. I'd say there's some things we're literally incapable of understanding.
True but thats not the argument. The argument is whether the predators know more about xeno than humans, which they have proven to do.
They know a little more than we do, which says a lot about the Alien if some clans are supposed to have been fighting them for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
No one is disputing the deadliness of the xeno. Hell thats why they are the ultimate prey. My argument has always been that predators should not be judged by the incompetence shown by humans in the alien films.
The deadliness of the Alien isn't the issue here -- their incomprehensibility is.
Essentially, the Predators have had a long, long time to work out what makes them tick, but haven't. Either they don't care, or can't. Or both. That would be most in-character for the Predators, in my mind.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 02, 2010, 11:51:20 AM
The deadliness of the Alien isn't the issue here -- their incomprehensibility is.
Essentially, the Predators have had a long, long time to work out what makes them tick, but haven't. Either they don't care, or can't. Or both. That would be most in-character for the Predators, in my mind.
This is an assumption.
Assumption with a lot of data. It's an old species. They were already advanced when we were nothing - that means they already went through some ages.
I meant assuming they dont know what makes a xeno tick is purely assumptive. Clearly they have been around longer than us and are more advanced.
By the time a post-Aliens time period rolls around, that's 170 years or so after the events of the first AvP. And we can tell, from the flashback, that they've been fighting Aliens for thousands of years prior to that. And even ignoring the films, the games imply a similar time period.
Going by that evidence, the Predators have had thousands of years to develop methods against the Aliens. After all they time, they developed a vision mode, some degree of acid-resistance and bigger weapons. It isn't especially impressive progress, given the radical rate of technological expansion human beings accomplished in the 20th century.
Basically, if they both cared and were capable of learning comprehensively about the Alien, we would have more tangible evidence. You could even assume that Predators are in a state of technological stagnation, and there isn't much evidence against that. Technology certainly doesn't seem to change much in between those thousands of years.
Technology wise, no they haven't changed in thousands of years. And this is what I hate about using AVP as an example. It simply destroys the mythology of both species.
According to AVP, predators haven't advanced in technology in thousands of years, Antarctica had a civilisation founded by predators, alien's life cycles are sped up, aliens have extendo tails and can multiply without the need for a host. But hey if thats what we consider canon then so be it.
What baffles me is that you have been comparing the humans in the alien series to predators and trying to claim that the predators knew not a lot more than we do. The difference is that the humans found themselves in a situation they didn't want to be in, against an enemy they knew nothing about, where as the predators create a situation to be in. The humans have always known next to nothing about their enemy, while the predators have havested them purely for the purpose to hunt. To claim that they didn't know anything more about them is ridiculous.
No it isn't.
Say you keep a fox on a leash and let it go to hunt. Your knowledge isn't necessarily better than that of the random person who encounters it -- you just have the better position of it.
Basically, all that Predators need is a safe method of handling the eggs. That's literally it.
Through experience they would have learnt a few tactics against the xeno. The marines in aliens didn't even know that the aliens hid in the resin. In fact, a lot of the initial deaths in Aliens was from aliens that emerged from the walls. If humans were to be hunting the xeno for millions of years, and they went in to exterminate the hive on LV-426, wouldn't you think they would have known this was a main vantage point for the xeno? To imply that predators would have no knowledge of such things would be to imply that they pass zero knowledge onto each other.
Oh and the fox thing, If the guy who has the fox on a leash comes from a tribe of people that have hunted and bred foxes for thousands of years, I'd definately say he'd have better knowledge than someone that saw a fox for the first time in the woods.
Quote from: tonyzork on Nov 02, 2010, 12:45:06 PM
Through experience they would have learnt a few tactics against the xeno. The marines in aliens didn't even know that the aliens hid in the resin. In fact, a lot of the initial deaths in Aliens was from aliens that emerged from the walls. If humans were to be hunting the xeno for millions of years, and they went in to exterminate the hive on LV-426, wouldn't you think they would have known this was a main vantage point for the xeno? To imply that predators would have no knowledge of such things would be to imply that they pass zero knowledge onto each other.
Predators don't seem to employ tactics against Aliens in most media. Mostly just "stand there, let them come to you and chop them up". The first AvP film and the Rebellion games averted this pretty well, though, especially on higher difficulties.
On the other hand, the marines in
Aliens set up chokepoints after their first battle with the Aliens.
Jus' sayin', current materials don't really paint Predators in a positive light concerning this kind of thing.
Quote from: tonyzork on Nov 02, 2010, 12:45:06 PMOh and the fox thing, If the guy who has the fox on a leash comes from a tribe of people that have hunted and bred foxes for thousands of years, I'd definately say he'd have better knowledge than someone that saw a fox for the first time in the woods.
Probably -- but not necessarily by much. All the knowledge they need is how to breed it and one effective method of containment.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 02, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
Quote from: tonyzork on Nov 02, 2010, 12:45:06 PM
Through experience they would have learnt a few tactics against the xeno. The marines in aliens didn't even know that the aliens hid in the resin. In fact, a lot of the initial deaths in Aliens was from aliens that emerged from the walls. If humans were to be hunting the xeno for millions of years, and they went in to exterminate the hive on LV-426, wouldn't you think they would have known this was a main vantage point for the xeno? To imply that predators would have no knowledge of such things would be to imply that they pass zero knowledge onto each other.
Predators don't seem to employ tactics against Aliens in most media. Mostly just "stand there, let them come to you and chop them up". The first AvP film and the Rebellion games averted this pretty well, though, especially on higher difficulties.
On the other hand, the marines in Aliens set up chokepoints after their first battle with the Aliens.
Jus' sayin', current materials don't really paint Predators in a positive light concerning this kind of thing.
Quote from: tonyzork on Nov 02, 2010, 12:45:06 PMOh and the fox thing, If the guy who has the fox on a leash comes from a tribe of people that have hunted and bred foxes for thousands of years, I'd definately say he'd have better knowledge than someone that saw a fox for the first time in the woods.
Probably -- but not necessarily by much. All the knowledge they need is how to breed it and one effective method of containment.
No your right. Predators aren't painted in a positive light. Neither are aliens for that matter. In fact, most comics and other material reflect the whole Wolf/Xeno dynamic (shudders at the thought).
I'm with tonyzork on this one.
I agree , with his comparision between the Farmer and the Pred.
I'm ot saying that preds know everything about xeno, but they at least know how to spot, capture, breed, stalk, fight and kill them. With appropriate weapons ,fully acid proof spears, shuriken + multiple visions specially adapt fo xenos (scar green vision mode, and wolf facehuggger /alien slim vision mode)
+ Even young predators like Scar seems to have some primal biology knowledge about the alien.
Example of the deleted scene where Scar has fun , by provoking the inner jaw attack with a dagger stab (the alien corpse that lex killed)
Of course it's not like the preds fully know the aliens (the comparision with the farmer , or exprienced hunter is perfect for me)
But we can at least agree that preds knowledges about aliens are slightly better than humans?
No, we can't.
Because they're never seen doing anything humans couldn't.
Knowing to use acid-proofing, for example -- how does that make their knowledge greater than ours? We know we need acid proofing, it's whether we have access to it that sets us apart, and that has literally nothing to do with knowledge of the Aliens.
We know how to spot them -- look for the acid holes and nest material. We know how to capture them, we did it in Alien³. We know how to breed them, we did that in Alien Resurrection. We know how to kill them just as well as Predators do -- stand the f**k back and open fire. We don't need extra vision modes because we can see using the visible light spectrum, Predators can't.
About the only thing that ever implies they have the least bit more knowledge is Scar playing his gag with the inner jaw. That's it.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 02, 2010, 09:18:12 PM
No, we can't.
Because they're never seen doing anything humans couldn't.
Knowing to use acid-proofing, for example -- how does that make their knowledge greater than ours? We know we need acid proofing, it's whether we have access to it that sets us apart, and that has literally nothing to do with knowledge of the Aliens.
We know how to spot them -- look for the acid holes and nest material. We know how to capture them, we did it in Alien³. We know how to breed them, we did that in Alien Resurrection. We know how to kill them just as well as Predators do -- stand the f**k back and open fire. We don't need extra vision modes because we can see using the visible light spectrum, Predators can't.
About the only thing that ever implies they have the least bit more knowledge is Scar playing his gag with the inner jaw. That's it.
Depends on the timeline. In AvP the Predators know more than we do, and by time Alien Resurrection comes around we know just as much. Resurrection takes place in the year 2379, and AvP in 2003, thats a big gap. In Alien 3 they did capture the Alien, but I wouldn't call that a successful capture. The company in Resurrection, the United Systems Military did not contain them for long. Capture and containment the Predators must Know.
Weyland Yutani obviously knows all about the Alien's acid, in Aliens, Bishop android researched the facehugger, and came to the conclusion that the acid is not acidic/active once the creature is dead. I am sure that we can only assume that Predator's know more than we do about the Aliens, especially since they hunt them and have been around them longer.
WY knew about the acid from Ripley's report. It's not known how much of Bishop's research survived to get back to network.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 02:39:03 AM
WY knew about the acid from Ripley's report. It's not known how much of Bishop's research survived to get back to network.
Seems like WY would of tried to salvage the android after Riply died.
Indeed. How much was salvageable seems to be unknown though.
Quote from: bleau on Nov 03, 2010, 02:21:57 AM
In Alien 3 they did capture the Alien, but I wouldn't call that a successful capture.
Of course it was. Thing was locked behind a door and couldn't get out. If Golic hadn't opened the door it would've stayed there. Capture successful.
QuoteThe company in Resurrection, the United Systems Military did not contain them for long.
And Aliens escape from Predators every. Single. Time. Par for the course.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2010, 05:49:40 AM
Quote from: bleau on Nov 03, 2010, 02:21:57 AM
In Alien 3 they did capture the Alien, but I wouldn't call that a successful capture.
Of course it was. Thing was locked behind a door and couldn't get out. If Golic hadn't opened the door it would've stayed there. Capture successful.
QuoteThe company in Resurrection, the United Systems Military did not contain them for long.
And Aliens escape from Predators every. Single. Time. Par for the course.
That was the
directors cut, so I do agree with you that it can be done, but not necessarily that it did.
And the Aliens have not escaped every single time. Not nearly. It's just that if they didn't, there wouldn't be a very compelling story.
And before you go looking to prove that "Aliens escape from Predators every. Single. Time.", let me save you the effort.
Aliens Versus Predator #0-4 1990 In addition, if it were not for the meddlings of humans in
Aliens Versus Predator 2010 and
Aliens Versus Predator 2 2001 But if you do not count the EU, that's fine. I don't. To me they are more like simulations that actual happenings in the AVPU.
But, in
Alien Versus Predator 2004 it is discovered that Predators go all over the galaxies bringing Aliens for the hunt and blooding rituals. If the Aliens always escape, the conjecture can be made that the Predators would not be around very long to hunt them, or stopped hunting them.
Quote from: #6.0 on Nov 03, 2010, 06:12:48 AM
That was the directors cut,
There is no director's cut yadda yadda.
QuoteAnd the Aliens have not escaped every single time. Not nearly. It's just that if they didn't, there wouldn't be a very compelling story.
Yes, every time. Every time we see them in the stories, they escape,
or they screw with the Predators. AvP? Queen lets a Queen egg through and the Predators get f**ked over.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2010, 06:17:26 AM
Every time we see them in the stories, they escape, or they screw with the Predators.
If you mean "screw with" as in they battle with, and I use escape loosely, then I suppose I do agree.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 03, 2010, 05:49:40 AM
Quote from: bleau on Nov 03, 2010, 02:21:57 AM
In Alien 3 they did capture the Alien, but I wouldn't call that a successful capture.
Of course it was. Thing was locked behind a door and couldn't get out. If Golic hadn't opened the door it would've stayed there. Capture successful.
QuoteThe company in Resurrection, the United Systems Military did not contain them for long.
And Aliens escape from Predators every. Single. Time. Par for the course.
Capture was successful, but Junior had to use himself as bait, and a lot of the prisoners died from fires. I guess their plan fell apart but they still succeeded.
In AvP the Predators used the queen and hunted Aliens in 1904. Nothing escaped then that we know of. Then the new hunt in 2004 the aliens escape at the end.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 02, 2010, 09:18:12 PM
No, we can't.
Because they're never seen doing anything humans couldn't.
Knowing to use acid-proofing, for example -- how does that make their knowledge greater than ours? We know we need acid proofing, it's whether we have access to it that sets us apart, and that has literally nothing to do with knowledge of the Aliens.
We know how to spot them -- look for the acid holes and nest material. We know how to capture them, we did it in Alien³. We know how to breed them, we did that in Alien Resurrection. We know how to kill them just as well as Predators do -- stand the f**k back and open fire. We don't need extra vision modes because we can see using the visible light spectrum, Predators can't.
About the only thing that ever implies they have the least bit more knowledge is Scar playing his gag with the inner jaw. That's it.
And that's why we can at least ,think that preds know slightly more about aliens than humans.
If you definitly can't, well i don't mind. That's not that important afterall for me
If knowing how to play around with an inner tongue makes the Predators more knowledgeable about the Aliens, then they aren't learning fast enough.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 03, 2010, 02:34:45 PM
If knowing how to play around with an inner tongue makes the Predators more knowledgeable about the Aliens, then they aren't learning fast enough.
Maybe (why not?) , i'm not saying they know much , only they know a bite more than humans
I don't see what the confusion is about, Predators know more about the Aliens and have known about the aliens long before humans did.
I've known about gazelles living on the African plains for 23 years. Does that make me more knowledgeable about hunting one more so than a cheetah?
Exactly.
Do you hunt gazelles and cheetahs? If you've hunted them before your likely to know a little about their behaviour. If you come from a tribe of hunters your even more likely to know how to hunt them. If you come from a tribe that specifically breeds them to hunt you damn sure would want to know a little something about killing them.
QuoteIn AvP the Predators used the queen and hunted Aliens in 1904. Nothing escaped then that we know of.
The Alien got to the surface in 1904.
QuoteIf knowing how to play around with an inner tongue makes the Predators more knowledgeable about the Aliens, then they aren't learning fast enough.
The Predator touched a specific nerve in the Aliens head to make the jaw shoot out. Teensy bit more than "playing around".
And the predator new pretty much everything about the ALIENS life cycle.
Sounds like knowledge to me.
Quote from: samoht on Nov 03, 2010, 11:05:16 PM
And the predator new pretty much everything about the ALIENS life cycle.
Sounds like knowledge to me.
So did we, after a mere two encounters.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 03, 2010, 10:40:22 PM
I've known about gazelles living on the African plains for 23 years. Does that make me more knowledgeable about hunting one more so than a cheetah?
Exactly.
Your analogy does not really apply here though. The Cheetah is the predator, and I think/thought the predators hunted aliens before we knew about them, because in AvP, if you consider it canon, said the predators were hunting the aliens for thousands of years. Now if you jump the timeline to Resurrection then We know all about the aliens, but we don't hunt them. We just study them and try to make a weapon out of them.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 11:00:01 PM
QuoteIn AvP the Predators used the queen and hunted Aliens in 1904. Nothing escaped then that we know of.
The Alien got to the surface in 1904.
Yes, I forget about that one on the alternate opening. I guess I would have to agree, that the Predators never had them contained, maybe for short periods of time.
Quote from: SM on Nov 03, 2010, 11:00:01 PM
The Predator touched a specific nerve in the Aliens head to make the jaw shoot out. Teensy bit more than "playing around".
That's just knowing the anatomy. Doesn't have much to do with actively hunting and containing the creature.
"Just knowing the anatomy" isn't anything to sniff at. Compared to humans at any rate.
I got a question, in AvP why did the aliens have such a fast life cycle? The Alien came out of the host in 10 minutes and then grew to full size in another 10 minutes. I thought there was a reason or rumor that the Predators somehow altered it from the queen.
Plot reasoning. Anderson just needed it that way.
It's rumour pretty much. And one the most generally accept for lack of anything else.
I remember Anderson once said that Resurrection had speeded up gestations, so he took that as his lead. Except there's nothing in the film that tells us the gestations are sped up.
Go figure.
Jesus, what was the man on when he wrote his film?
Milla.
Quote from: SM on Nov 04, 2010, 03:59:46 AM
Milla.
Gold!
Theres a lot that doesn't make sense in AVP. Pretty much the majority of the script and plot is riddled with errors. We shouldn't take anything for gospel in AVP.
Unless your name starts with Xenomrph :P
as predship manages to fall back to earth, isn't it fair to say the predalien reaches adulthood in under a minute?
Yeah...yet another plothole.
I think we should just disregard the AVP franchise into its own canon separate from the individual franchises. They've done enough damage.
That's what the smart fan does. But there are those who insist on making everything fit together.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Nov 05, 2010, 01:50:43 AM
as predship manages to fall back to earth, isn't it fair to say the predalien reaches adulthood in under a minute?
it wasnt a adult - it ws a yung Queen!!!11
Ahem...
It reached adulthood on the Predator ship didn't it after an indeterminate amount of time?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 05, 2010, 02:31:00 AM
That's what the smart fan does. But there are those who insist on making everything fit together.
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Yes, well.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Nov 05, 2010, 02:58:50 AM
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Yes, well.
That thing on the left ... wut iz tht? eurgh.
Don't you see, it's the best Alien design ever imagined.
The Giger original can't hold a candle to it, it is so glorious Giger walked out of the cinema when he first saw it, couldn't hold all the awesome.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 12, 2010, 06:53:57 PM
Don't you see, it's the best Alien design ever imagined.
The Giger original can't hold a candle to it, it is so glorious Giger walked out of the cinema when he first saw it, couldn't hold all the awesome.
So true! In fact, I think maybe the dreadlocks are a Freudian slip!
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What?
Reading the first pages of this poll is somewhat... unsettling... apart from the obvious ratings and stuff, there's a lot of data that was, quite literally, threw up like nothing. I read something like 100% cgi Aliens in AvP ( ??? ), that the Requiem Aliens totally resemble the Cameron Aliens ( :o ), and some other crazy stuff.
Not everyone delves deep into a film's set-up, you know :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 16, 2010, 02:19:10 PM
Reading the first pages of this poll is somewhat... unsettling... apart from the obvious ratings and stuff, there's a lot of data that was, quite literally, threw up like nothing. I read something like 100% cgi Aliens in AvP ( ??? ), that the Requiem Aliens totally resemble the Cameron Aliens ( :o ), and some other crazy stuff.
lol.
Simply put, AVP captured the Alien characters better, and AVPR captured the Predator character better. But, they still weren't individually 100% perfect.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Nov 16, 2010, 10:38:10 PM
Simply put, AVP captured the Alien characters better, and AVPR captured the Predator character better. But, they still weren't individually 100% perfect.
I agree with you, but that last sentence is one big understatement. Personally I feel AVP is slightly superior in terms of camera use, lighting and characters (most were wasted by at least we had Lance) but being the first crossover film and trying to be more like an A movie means it has a lot more to answer for. The nonsensical plot and lack of consistency for instance...
Quote from: Vecrotus on Nov 16, 2010, 10:38:10 PM
Simply put, AVP captured the Alien characters better, and AVPR captured the Predator character better.
AvP got
both better, bar maybe the team up, if you ask me.
Quote from: DragonBossk on Nov 17, 2010, 11:16:12 AM
Personally I feel AVP is slightly superior in terms of camera use, lighting and characters (most were wasted by at least we had Lance)
Slightly?
Quote from: DragonBossk on Nov 17, 2010, 11:16:12 AM
The nonsensical plot and lack of consistency for instance...
Why the plot was nonsensical bar little plot holes such as the mayan blablas, and why it wasn't consistent.
The Predator in AVPR looked good, but he acted like a moron.
Quote from: DragonBossk on Nov 17, 2010, 11:16:12 AM
Quote from: Vecrotus on Nov 16, 2010, 10:38:10 PM
Simply put, AVP captured the Alien characters better, and AVPR captured the Predator character better. But, they still weren't individually 100% perfect.
I agree with you, but that last sentence is one big understatement. Personally I feel AVP is slightly superior in terms of camera use, lighting and characters (most were wasted by at least we had Lance) but being the first crossover film and trying to be more like an A movie means it has a lot more to answer for. The nonsensical plot and lack of consistency for instance...
I wasn't referriing to the movies I was talking about the creatures themselves in the two films. I meant that neither creature either movies matched the originals. They had some pros, for example the Aliens in AVP put a helluva a lot better fight than the ones in AVPR and looked less like actors in rubber suits, but they didn't act like the Aliens seen in the orignals. The Predator in AVPR was almost perfect both in looks and the way he moved. But his unmasked face was just as bad as the one in AVP and he did do some moronic things.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 17, 2010, 01:52:15 PM
Quote from: Vecrotus on Nov 16, 2010, 10:38:10 PM
Simply put, AVP captured the Alien characters better, and AVPR captured the Predator character better.
AvP got both better, bar maybe the team up, if you ask me.
Bar the team up and the over-sized Preds. And everything about the Preds in general, like their weaponry and even their purpose in being there at all.
Wolf's gestures and mannerisms were spot on. The fight scenes were crap but that's the BS fault, not the suit actor. The movements he made were the best thing outside of KPH's performances, and that includes Predators.
Yeah, but the AvP Predators were actually competent badasses. Celtic took on an Alien with his bare hands and survived for five minutes. Scar turned the tables on an Alien ambush attempt, shot down something like three or four more and managed to put a decent-sized hole in the Queen's head after being stabbed through the shoulder by an Alien.
In fact, Scar was probably the most competent Predator we've seen since
Predator itself, especially keeping in mind that AvP2004 was literally the first time Aliens and Predators met where the Aliens weren't downgraded to be mook adversaries. Think about it this way:
- One Alien took down seven astronauts, including two former soldiers.
- In Aliens, almost every marine went down before a single Alien casualty could be confirmed, with only three proper soldiers remaining out of the initial squad of 12.
- One Alien took down almost 30 prisoners, many of them known for brutal murders and ruthlessness.
- The escape of six Aliens caused a military vessel of 50 men-at-arms to evacuate.
Scar was fighting
that kind of Alien. The sort that tears through like a bajillion people and doesn't even really care. And he took down at least four of them, holy shit, I want to be Scar when I grow up. Perhaps the design was a bit off, but all things measured as they should be, no other Predator has ever displayed the level of skill Scar has.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 18, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Yeah, but the AvP Predators were actually competent badasses. Celtic took on an Alien with his bare hands and survived for five minutes. Scar turned the tables on an Alien ambush attempt, shot down something like three or four more and managed to put a decent-sized hole in the Queen's head after being stabbed through the shoulder by an Alien.
In fact, Scar was probably the most competent Predator we've seen since Predator itself, especially keeping in mind that AvP2004 was literally the first time Aliens and Predators met where the Aliens weren't downgraded to be mook adversaries. Think about it this way:
- One Alien took down seven astronauts, including two former soldiers.
- In Aliens, almost every marine went down before a single Alien casualty could be confirmed, with only three proper soldiers remaining out of the initial squad of 12.
- One Alien took down almost 30 prisoners, many of them known for brutal murders and ruthlessness.
- The escape of six Aliens caused a military vessel of 50 men-at-arms to evacuate.
Scar was fighting that kind of Alien. The sort that tears through like a bajillion people and doesn't even really care. And he took down at least four of them, holy shit, I want to be Scar when I grow up. Perhaps the design was a bit off, but all things measured as they should be, no other Predator has ever displayed the level of skill Scar has.
;D
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 18, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Yeah, but the AvP Predators were actually competent badasses. Celtic took on an Alien with his bare hands and survived for five minutes. Scar turned the tables on an Alien ambush attempt, shot down something like three or four more and managed to put a decent-sized hole in the Queen's head after being stabbed through the shoulder by an Alien.
In fact, Scar was probably the most competent Predator we've seen since Predator itself, especially keeping in mind that AvP2004 was literally the first time Aliens and Predators met where the Aliens weren't downgraded to be mook adversaries. Think about it this way:
- One Alien took down seven astronauts, including two former soldiers.
- In Aliens, almost every marine went down before a single Alien casualty could be confirmed, with only three proper soldiers remaining out of the initial squad of 12.
- One Alien took down almost 30 prisoners, many of them known for brutal murders and ruthlessness.
- The escape of six Aliens caused a military vessel of 50 men-at-arms to evacuate.
Scar was fighting that kind of Alien. The sort that tears through like a bajillion people and doesn't even really care. And he took down at least four of them, holy shit, I want to be Scar when I grow up. Perhaps the design was a bit off, but all things measured as they should be, no other Predator has ever displayed the level of skill Scar has.
You do make a fine point.
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Nov 18, 2010, 05:59:51 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 18, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Yeah, but the AvP Predators were actually competent badasses. Celtic took on an Alien with his bare hands and survived for five minutes. Scar turned the tables on an Alien ambush attempt, shot down something like three or four more and managed to put a decent-sized hole in the Queen's head after being stabbed through the shoulder by an Alien.
In fact, Scar was probably the most competent Predator we've seen since Predator itself, especially keeping in mind that AvP2004 was literally the first time Aliens and Predators met where the Aliens weren't downgraded to be mook adversaries. Think about it this way:
- One Alien took down seven astronauts, including two former soldiers.
- In Aliens, almost every marine went down before a single Alien casualty could be confirmed, with only three proper soldiers remaining out of the initial squad of 12.
- One Alien took down almost 30 prisoners, many of them known for brutal murders and ruthlessness.
- The escape of six Aliens caused a military vessel of 50 men-at-arms to evacuate.
Scar was fighting that kind of Alien. The sort that tears through like a bajillion people and doesn't even really care. And he took down at least four of them, holy shit, I want to be Scar when I grow up. Perhaps the design was a bit off, but all things measured as they should be, no other Predator has ever displayed the level of skill Scar has.
You do make a fine point.
Why not city hunter too.
He was able to deal with mutliple armed opponents in melee, even against a trained cia crew than knew almost everything about him and his habits (jamed his cloack device + hide their heat signature)
+ he smatly decided to run back to his spaceship while his claock device was cut , in order not to be seen (or filmed) by every LA inhabitants or CNN.
+ according to stephen hopkins coments (in the bonus dvd n°2 hunter and the hunted) the trophy room belongs to pussyface too. That's pretty impressive too.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 18, 2010, 07:29:56 PM
Why not city hunter too.
He was able to deal with mutliple armed opponents in melee, even against a trained cia crew than knew almost everything about him and his habits (jamed his cloack device + hide their heat signature)
+ he smatly decided to run back to his spaceship while his claock device was cut , in order not to be seen (or filmed) by every LA inhabitants or CNN.
+ according to stephen hopkins coments (in the bonus dvd n°2 hunter and the hunted) the trophy room belongs to pussyface too. That's pretty impressive too.
Sure, but we did not get to see Scar's trophy room. Scar battled Aliens, the kind that could easily wipe out a trained CIA crew.
Pussyface wiped out untrained, undisciplined gangs that had no idea what they were up against and a few cops.
Scar's enemies were infinitely more deadly.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 18, 2010, 09:03:04 PM
Pussyface wiped out untrained, undisciplined gangs that had no idea what they were up against and a few cops.
Scar's enemies were infinitely more deadly.
True, but what about all the other creature skulls in Pussyface's trophy case that Harrigan sees at the end of Predator 2. They seem to be just as deadly and if not even more so. Some were as big as a T-Rex.
Might not have all been his.
Just sayin'. I know the director disagrees.
Also, Pussyface was hunted and killed by a human cop in hand-to-hand combat, albeit with one missing arm.
My best guess is that Pussyface used a combination of traps and ranged attacks to take down his more dangerous adversaries, the Alien he fought included.
Quotebut all things measured as they should be, no other Predator has ever displayed the level of skill Scar has.
Well, they proved themselves in other cases, and since in hunt like Scar was present in never occured in any of earlier predator movies, stating none of his predecessors displayed any skill like that does not deny at all they didn't have that skill. Cannot be compared on this ground. Though as mentioned before, the trophy cabin in p2 is a good stepping stone...
Also Scar was aware of the ambusing alien, saw it before it could start its attack, in that I see no speciality... also not in shooting of aliens with plasmacaster. Fighting the queen I agree he stood his ground well.
Quote
My best guess is that Pussyface used a combination of traps and ranged attacks to take down his more dangerous adversaries, the Alien he fought included.
And what did Scar use?
He fought not asingle alien in the movie face to face...
My guess is that city hunter didn't own the trophy wall. Even if commentaries say so. He wasn't experienced enough, and he seemed totally like a beginner, or being on a trial. But the alien skull is there. Someone took it. Someone from that hunting party, and that one hunter posesses more skill than Scar, if we're talking about fighting aliens and skill. Because that trophy is for the whole ship, the whole company that was there, something important, not a kill for trial.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 18, 2010, 10:02:23 PM
Also, Pussyface was hunted and killed by a human cop in hand-to-hand combat, albeit with one missing arm.
My best guess is that Pussyface used a combination of traps and ranged attacks to take down his more dangerous adversaries, the Alien he fought included.
He was winning that fight until the very end. It's not fair to imply he's lacking in prowess because of one silly mistake.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 18, 2010, 09:03:04 PM
Pussyface wiped out untrained, undisciplined gangs that had no idea what they were up against and a few cops.
Scar's enemies were infinitely more deadly.
They still able to take down SWAT members quit easily during firefight +
+ Pussyface also wiped out a cia team which really knew his habits and manage to jam his claock device (+hidde their heat signatures)
Whatever how pussyface died i think he deserved to be considered as a skilled Predator (other preds or aliens died even more stupidly than him)
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 18, 2010, 10:02:23 PM
Also, Pussyface was hunted and killed by a human cop in hand-to-hand combat, albeit with one missing arm.
My best guess is that Pussyface used a combination of traps and ranged attacks to take down his more dangerous adversaries, the Alien he fought included.
Or in melee with his spear ,especially the alien he fought. I mean that both of us are completly speculating about this (the alien skull was a "last time extra", their is no real history behind this skull)
Nobody would be wrong , nobody would be right.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Nov 18, 2010, 10:22:53 PM
He fought not asingle alien in the movie face to face...
My guess is that city hunter didn't own the trophy wall. Even if commentaries say so. He wasn't experienced enough, and he seemed totally like a beginner, or being on a trial. But the alien skull is there. Someone took it. Someone from that hunting party, and that one hunter posesses more skill than Scar, if we're talking about fighting aliens and skill. Because that trophy is for the whole ship, the whole company that was there, something important, not a kill for trial.
OK , i respect that , but why?
Quote
OK , i respect that , but why?
because of the figthing style he had, and the tactics he used. Also he was way too much cocky at some times (especially assuming that the fleeing Harrigan had NO weapon of any kind, and he exposed himself ), and didn't calculate his moves matching what was needed for the current prey. In case of aliens, I dare say some behaviour or lack of experince puts a short end to the hunt, just like in avp. I don't say he was a bad hunter, or like the ones from vp. But I dooubt he was good enough to hunt and kill an alien.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 18, 2010, 10:32:22 PM
They still able to take down SWAT members quit easily during firefight +
By shooting blindly at them. The most seriously injured SWAT member was the guy El Scorpio nailed as he burst screaming from the room.
Quote+ Pussyface also wiped out a cia team which really knew his habits and manage to jam his claock device (+hidde their heat signatures)
And if they'd all been armed with real guns they would have cut him down.
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Nov 18, 2010, 10:40:34 PM
Quote
OK , i respect that , but why?
because of the figthing style he had, and the tactics he used. Also he was way too much cocky at some times (especially assuming that the fleeing Harrigan had NO weapon of any kind, and he exposed himself ), and didn't calculate his moves matching what was needed for the current prey. In case of aliens, I dare say some behaviour or lack of experince puts a short end to the hunt, just like in avp. I don't say he was a bad hunter, or like the ones from vp. But I dooubt he was good enough to hunt and kill an alien.
I dont see why not?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2010, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 18, 2010, 10:32:22 PM
They still able to take down SWAT members quit easily during firefight +
By shooting blindly at them. The most seriously injured SWAT member was the guy El Scorpio nailed as he burst screaming from the room.
-The gang member (colombian) who shot the swat member (the one located on a hight possition) with his Steyr Aug would disagree
-Same for the 2 other cops blew aways by the blast of El scorpio's 40mm nades on the car (a 40mm nade blast at this range, even with protections, lead to death in 99% of the cases, 1% for the miracles)
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2010, 10:48:17 PM
Quote+ Pussyface also wiped out a cia team which really knew his habits and manage to jam his claock device (+hidde their heat signatures)
And if they'd all been armed with real guns they would have cut him down.
Some of keyes' men were armed with M60 machinguns (the same than Mac). Also Keyes' breathing system was cut (break) by a machingun burst that pussyface dodged with a hight jump.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 18, 2010, 11:42:40 PM
-Same for the 2 other cops blew aways by the blast of El scorpio's 40mm nades on the car (a 40mm nade blast at this range, even with protections, lead to death in 99% of the cases, 1% for the miracles)
You're counting blowing up a car with a grenade as a skill now?
Shit man,
I could do that.
QuoteSome of keyes' men were armed with M60 machinguns (the same than Mac).
Which is why I said if they had
all been armed.
QuoteYou're counting blowing up a car with a grenade as a skill now?
Shit man, I could do that.
POST PICS!!
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2010, 11:44:49 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 18, 2010, 11:42:40 PM
-Same for the 2 other cops blew aways by the blast of El scorpio's 40mm nades on the car (a 40mm nade blast at this range, even with protections, lead to death in 99% of the cases, 1% for the miracles)
You're counting blowing up a car with a grenade as a skill now?
Shit man, I could do that.
QuoteSome of keyes' men were armed with M60 machinguns (the same than Mac).
Which is why I said if they had all been armed.
Don't take it bad , but i seriously doubt you would even know how to load it ;D
More seriously ,hit a car with a weapon you're not used to (i don't think El scropio has a huge nade launcher training behind him) which such different (more complex at short range) trajectories than firearms.
I could agree if you said he was lucky (instead of skilled or unskilled).
But saying that what he did is easy? correctly shot a nade at 2 cops while all their buddies are trying to kill you at the same time? Nope i definitly disagree.
About Keyes team, even if every members of the team would be armed. Until keyes would still alive and give "not lethal orders" nobody would really see a huge benefit (if nobody decid to play the lone wolf).
But if Keyes' team wouldn't been a "capturing team" but a "destruction team", i agree that things would have been different
I find the bias in these forum hilarious...Pussyface isn't THAT tough because all of his victims were apparently unskilled yet Kane's son is feared for his deadliness yet he failed to eliminate a crew of truck drivers armed with nothing more than a flame unit and harsh language.
QuoteI find the irrelevance of Predaboys in these forum hilarious...
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 19, 2010, 12:05:30 AM
I find the bias in these forum hilarious...Pussyface isn't THAT tough because all of his victims were apparently unskilled yet Kane's son is feared for his deadliness yet he failed to eliminate a crew of truck drivers armed with nothing more than a flame unit and harsh language.
Well, our debat strated when Madass said that except scar , only Anytime showed such skills (i didn't want to debat about scar's shitty skills or not, already done before) and i said why not Pussyface too ?
Here you know everything know
We all need to realise that no matter how much of a fanboy we are, both species are seriously flawed, more so than most want to believe. Anytime killed a lot of people, but did it with stealth and rarely went head on with his prey. Pussyface used guerilla tactics to take out huge amounts of people. They weren't super-warriors, they used intellegence to attack at times that suited them tactically. Kane's son failed to take out truck drivers. In aliens, the marines were ambushed without ammo and when they actually started using heavy weaponry, they started to take out larger numbers, but were too overwhelmed. The runner alien took out a bunch of unarmed crims trapped in a facility. None of these scenarios are god-like status, no matter how pred/alien fanboys want to dress it up.
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 19, 2010, 12:05:30 AM
I find the bias in these forum hilarious...Pussyface isn't THAT tough because all of his victims were apparently unskilled yet Kane's son is feared for his deadliness yet he failed to eliminate a crew of truck drivers armed with nothing more than a flame unit and harsh language.
Lol that's pretty true. ;D
However idk if anytime is any better, he killed off a squad of the most retarded commandos i've ever seen, they didn't even aim half the time, even when they had clear shots at him. Also arnolds rifle i could tell by looking at it, that its mag most likly only held 18-25 rounds yet it fired like 500 rounds hitting guys that were just standing there looking like idiots before he ever reloaded.
At least pussyface took out that CIA team which knew like everything about him, but he was smart enough to exploit the fact that they didn't have any real guns. :P
Kane son is more of just fear factor, like you said he just took out nothing but truck drivers pretty much.
Aliens in aliens however managed to kill a platoon of well out of all of the soldiers i've seen in p/a/avp films the CM marines t were the most skilled and still got killed off, even when they had bullets in there guns. Plus the CM marine cast in aliens took classes from real military personal on all of their drills and how to move and how to act and all that. They were the closest to any military personal by far.
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 19, 2010, 12:17:28 AM
We all need to realise that no matter how much of a fanboy we are, both species are seriously flawed, more so than most want to believe. Anytime killed a lot of people, but did it with stealth and rarely went head on with his prey. Pussyface used guerilla tactics to take out huge amounts of people. They weren't super-warriors, they used intellegence to attack at times that suited them tactically. Kane's son failed to take out truck drivers. In aliens, the marines were ambushed without ammo and when they actually started using heavy weaponry, they started to take out larger numbers, but were too overwhelmed. The runner alien took out a bunch of unarmed crims trapped in a facility. None of these scenarios are god-like status, no matter how pred/alien fanboys want to dress it up.
Amen (see you next sunday)
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 19, 2010, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 19, 2010, 12:05:30 AM
I find the bias in these forum hilarious...Pussyface isn't THAT tough because all of his victims were apparently unskilled yet Kane's son is feared for his deadliness yet he failed to eliminate a crew of truck drivers armed with nothing more than a flame unit and harsh language.
Lol that's pretty true. ;D
However idk if anytime is any better, he killed off a squad of the most retarded commandos i've ever seen, they didn't even aim half the time, even when they had clear shots at him. Also arnolds rifle i could tell by looking at it, that its mag most likly only held 18-25 rounds yet it fired like 500 rounds hitting guys that were just standing there looking like idiots before he ever reloaded.
At least pussyface took out that CIA team which knew like everything about him, but he was smart enough to exploit the fact that they didn't have any real guns. :P
Kane son is more of just fear factor, like you said he just took out nothing but truck drivers pretty much.
Aliens in aliens however managed to kill a platoon of well out of all of the soldiers i've seen in p/a/avp films the CM marines t were the most skilled and still got killed off, even when they had bullets in there guns. Plus the CM marine cast in aliens took classes from real military personal on all of their drills and how to move and how to act and all that. They were the closest to any military personal by far.
So true. They were the most badass group in the entire series. To be completely fair to them, they were vastly unarmed when they lost majority of their numbers and they were outnumbered over 10:1. If they were hunting 10 or less xeno it would have been a completely different story. I vote that the USCM were the most badass out of ANY species in the entire franchise.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Nov 19, 2010, 12:22:36 AM
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 19, 2010, 12:17:28 AM
We all need to realise that no matter how much of a fanboy we are, both species are seriously flawed, more so than most want to believe. Anytime killed a lot of people, but did it with stealth and rarely went head on with his prey. Pussyface used guerilla tactics to take out huge amounts of people. They weren't super-warriors, they used intellegence to attack at times that suited them tactically. Kane's son failed to take out truck drivers. In aliens, the marines were ambushed without ammo and when they actually started using heavy weaponry, they started to take out larger numbers, but were too overwhelmed. The runner alien took out a bunch of unarmed crims trapped in a facility. None of these scenarios are god-like status, no matter how pred/alien fanboys want to dress it up.
Amen (see you next sunday)
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 19, 2010, 12:26:12 AM
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 19, 2010, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 19, 2010, 12:05:30 AM
I find the bias in these forum hilarious...Pussyface isn't THAT tough because all of his victims were apparently unskilled yet Kane's son is feared for his deadliness yet he failed to eliminate a crew of truck drivers armed with nothing more than a flame unit and harsh language.
Lol that's pretty true. ;D
However idk if anytime is any better, he killed off a squad of the most retarded commandos i've ever seen, they didn't even aim half the time, even when they had clear shots at him. Also arnolds rifle i could tell by looking at it, that its mag most likly only held 18-25 rounds yet it fired like 500 rounds hitting guys that were just standing there looking like idiots before he ever reloaded.
At least pussyface took out that CIA team which knew like everything about him, but he was smart enough to exploit the fact that they didn't have any real guns. :P
Kane son is more of just fear factor, like you said he just took out nothing but truck drivers pretty much.
Aliens in aliens however managed to kill a platoon of well out of all of the soldiers i've seen in p/a/avp films the CM marines t were the most skilled and still got killed off, even when they had bullets in there guns. Plus the CM marine cast in aliens took classes from real military personal on all of their drills and how to move and how to act and all that. They were the closest to any military personal by far.
So true. They were the most badass group in the entire series. To be completely fair to them, they were vastly unarmed when they lost majority of their numbers and they were outnumbered over 10:1. If they were hunting 10 or less xeno it would have been a completely different story. I vote that the USCM were the most badass out of ANY species in the entire franchise.
exactly and i also agree with your last post.
None of these monsters are anywhere near god like badass space aliens.
Dont get me wrong, I love both species equally, but realistically from what we see in the movies, if you pit any of the species hero's against those marines and they would have been toast, including Anytime (yeh I said it...and what?)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2010, 10:27:09 PM
He was winning that fight until the very end. It's not fair to imply he's lacking in prowess because of one silly mistake.
He was also hightailing it like a wuss for about fifteen minutes beforehand.
I think saying that Kane's Son "failed to take out truck drivers" is a misrepresentation, too. He failed to take out
a truck driver because those pesky laws of physics got in his way. Before then, he was just taking them out in his own good time, including two ex-military armed with flamethrowers. Dallas was also a former goods smuggler (see: space pirate) and Ripley already had a hostage crisis aversion under her belt.
The crew of the Nostromo weren't just astronauts, they were all exceptionally experienced, many of them in dangerous tasks. And remember that the
Alien setting still sees space travel and dealing with it as a significant task.
Also, this one truck driver he failed to kill went on to lead a team of marines, fight an Alien queen in a mecha, sacrifice herself to prevent the Alien from being captured and then
came back from the dead to kick more ass.
It's kind of like me saying that Anytime failed to take out one soldier armed with sticks and stones -- technically accurate, but a misrepresentation of what actually happened.
As for Aliens against the marines, remember that the Aliens took out most of the marines without a single casualty.
*postbreak*
See, the mistake people
keep making is only seeing the possibility of Aliens being purely biological animals with a purely animal psyche. Perhaps
Alien didn't make it clear enough, but the resemblance Aliens have with the Jockey technology clearly tells us that they were either engineered lifeforms or, preferably, the conceptual (and perhaps literally biological) basis for Jockey technology, and that's not even tapping into the implicitly daemonic elements the Alien nods to.
It's not like I'm saying that Alien is absolutely invincible here -- just making observations with the benefit of some intertextual cross-pollination.
Alien implies the links to Lovecraft heavily enough that while the monster's status as something else entirely isn't concrete, it's conceptually supported enough to be a strong possibility.
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 18, 2010, 10:55:41 PM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Nov 18, 2010, 10:40:34 PM
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OK , i respect that , but why?
because of the figthing style he had, and the tactics he used. Also he was way too much cocky at some times (especially assuming that the fleeing Harrigan had NO weapon of any kind, and he exposed himself ), and didn't calculate his moves matching what was needed for the current prey. In case of aliens, I dare say some behaviour or lack of experince puts a short end to the hunt, just like in avp. I don't say he was a bad hunter, or like the ones from vp. But I dooubt he was good enough to hunt and kill an alien.
I dont see why not?
Because in every kind of situation I see an alien hundreds of times more formidable enemy than Lt. Mike Harrigan.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 19, 2010, 04:52:39 AM
I think saying that Kane's Son "failed to take out truck drivers" is a misrepresentation, too. He failed to take out a truck driver because those pesky laws of physics got in his way.
She was unarmed and an easy target. He should have killed her without a problem. I think that xeno in A3 showed more aggression and would have gone through the crew in about 30mins.
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It's kind of like me saying that Anytime failed to take out one soldier armed with sticks and stones -- technically accurate, but a misrepresentation of what actually happened.
Anytime did fail to take him out. Like Kane's son, he had numerous opportunities to take Dutch out, but inevitably, failed.
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As for Aliens against the marines, remember that the Aliens took out most of the marines without a single casualty.
Also remember that majority of them were basically unarmed. Aside from a few flame units, the squad were left with pistols, and those that disobeyed a direct order took out numerous xeno each.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 19, 2010, 04:52:39 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2010, 10:27:09 PM
He was winning that fight until the very end. It's not fair to imply he's lacking in prowess because of one silly mistake.
He was also hightailing it like a wuss for about fifteen minutes beforehand.
Your ability to tell time is blinding.
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Best shot ever. I love how the Bros. succeeded in hiding perfectly the fake nature of that suit.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 23, 2010, 02:07:16 PM
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Best shot ever. I love how the Bros. succeeded in hiding perfectly the fake nature of that suit.
In the forums they blamed the stuntman, rather than their shoddy directing. Poor show.
I love how that Alien has got the "IM COMINNNNN" expression. And then he's like "peekaboo bitch".
I've read about this poor stuntman myself Vala,
but the questions are:
1. you got a full front shot and you lay it in the hands of a stuntman? Not Woodruff, like y'now, the experienced guy 'n shit?
2. the scene had really to be shot from this precise angle? Not in any other that could give a better impression?
3. Not one post-production tweak to make it less obvious?
I smell no excuse for that. They could've made something better, didn't give a shit. 'S all.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 23, 2010, 05:06:21 PM1. you got a full front shot and you lay it in the hands of a stuntman? Not Woodruff, like y'now, the experienced guy 'n shit?
Woodruff is a suit actor. Wouldn't have made a world of difference considering there was only one thing the Alien was supposed to do in the scene...bad design doesn't help either.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 23, 2010, 05:06:21 PM2. the scene had really to be shot from this precise angle? Not in any other that could give a better impression?
The Alien is attacking the chopper with the intent to surprise the audience. How else are you going to get the shot?
I don't think anyone was frightened by the big dollop of rubber bouncing off the glass. Of course, intentions... :)
QuoteThe Alien is attacking the chopper with the intent to surprise the audience.
Why wouldn't the intent be to smash the f**king windshield and kill the woman? I mean they're already channelling Aliens so much - why not do it properly and copy the scene on the APC?
Oh yeah - lack of talent.
(Or did they already copy that scene earlier?)
Quote from: SM on Nov 24, 2010, 04:52:37 AM
QuoteThe Alien is attacking the chopper with the intent to surprise the audience.
Why wouldn't the intent be to smash the f**king windshield and kill the woman? I mean they're already channelling Aliens to much - why not do it properly and copy the scene on the APC?
Oh yeah - lack of talent.
(Or did they already copy that scene earlier?)
I'd rather they copy the drop ship scene with Farro personally...
Or the ending of the second, dreadful Resident Evil movie...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 23, 2010, 09:05:30 PM
Woodruff is a suit actor.
One of the best suit actors you can get, too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 23, 2010, 09:05:30 PM
Wouldn't have made a world of difference considering there was only one thing the Alien was supposed to do in the scene...
Would've, instead. The movements in that scene are lazy and uninspired, Woodruff would have done
loads better than that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 23, 2010, 09:05:30 PM
The Alien is attacking the chopper with the intent to surprise the audience. How else are you going to get the shot?
Tremors 2 or
The Lost World tell loads on how to do a shot like that. The thing failed to convince, failed to scare, failed in every possible intention it could have.
I love how the Alien literally hits the glass and bounces off. It doesn't even reel back like a living creature; it bounces off.
Quote from: SM on Nov 24, 2010, 04:52:37 AM
QuoteThe Alien is attacking the chopper with the intent to surprise the audience.
Why wouldn't the intent be to smash the f**king windshield and kill the woman? I mean they're already channelling Aliens so much - why not do it properly and copy the scene on the APC?
Oh yeah - lack of talent.
(Or did they already copy that scene earlier?)
Kill the woman yes, but it was supposed to surprise the audience as well with a standard "boo" tactic. Failed miserably, but the intent is still there.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 24, 2010, 12:24:19 PM
One of the best suit actors you can get, too.
His idea of looking like an alien monster is posing like he's about to start the chicken dance.
QuoteWoodruff would have done loads better than that.
Why? There are plenty of crap shots Woodruff was involved in.
Woodruff was terrible in AVPR. The last time he was directed well, to me, was Alien 3.
About the only time he was directed well in the suit.
Unless he was in Aliens while working for Winston.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 25, 2010, 10:09:22 AM
About the only time he was directed well in the suit.
Unless he was in Aliens while working for Winston.
Nah, he wasn't suited in Aliens. His first suit job came after Aliens. Gillman, I believe.
QuoteKill the woman yes, but it was supposed to surprise the audience as well with a standard "boo" tactic. Failed miserably, but the intent is still there.
Then it should've smashed the glass with the "boo".
If it were in true alien fashion, she would have looked around, seen nothing, turned back to have a close up of an alien opening its lips, dripping with drool, seconds before a headbite. Then the pizza boy would have taken with his brother to get face-raped. Would have made for a better ending...
I voted for AvP, although that's not saying much. The acting was VERY bad and the lines delivered poorly. the only guy who did pretty good was Weyland. AvPR was more violent, yes, but I mean I could barely tell what was going on toward the end and the overall direction felt like I was watching a Sci-fi channel movie. but still, both had the lines "you are one ugly motherf---(and then cut off)" and "get to the chopper!" and both were delivered extremely poor. still, I liked the action scenes in AvP better because you could actually see what was going on.
AvP:R had the motherf**ker line? When?
^ I would like to know that myself. I don't remeber it.
It didn't.
Though Stevens did say 'What the hell are you?' to the screen grab of the Ailen. Which was enough for him to murder thousands of people.
Yes, I have finally watched all of AvP:Poo.
(Copy and paste from AXP)
Parte the Firste:
The script is utterly appalling. Like when the sheriff is out in the dark about to stop looking for the hunter and his son. Not only does he resist the help that's offered in the form of an excrutiating "We look out for our own" as if the Sheriff was new in town. Then we have the wife tell us - twice in the space of a couple of minutes "They're out there". Apparently "they wouldn't stop looking for [her]". So does she resume searching at first light? No - she hands out flyers. Does the sheriff continue looking? Nah - gotta go get coffee, and drop off some exposition.
Soldeir girl and husband talking "Molly just needs more time". Phew thanks for saying her name - I thought you might've meant the other emotionally withdrawn Newt clones. Who talks like that?
Much has been said of the f**king stupid Predator skinning the cop while trying to erase any trace of the Aliens, and their victims. A Predator who also seems to be the most f**king awful shot since stormtroopers.
But more than anything the pace is just moronic. I'm up to the bit just after the pool scene, and it's been nothing but stop/ start the whole time. As soon as anything happens, and there's a chance the momentum might start to build up to something - we cut to the next batch of cardboard cut outs who's names we can't remember, doing something just as equally unmemorable.
Parte the Second:
Finished watching it on the train. Ye Gods...
I think it's worst crime is chronic waste of potential.
If you can ignore the inexplicable return to Earth of the Predator ship and the sheer stupidity of a Predator blowing the shit of his ship by accident - a ship packing facehuggers no less - you'd be forgiven for thinking that after the ship crashes you could be in a for a half decent flick.
But the acting, the script, the dialogue, just everything is terrible. Even ADIs work which is generally solid in terms of execution, if not design, was very substandard. Never before has an Alien looked so obviously like a guy in a suit - not just in look by also in performance. Even at the end of Alien, the prehensile tail looked cool hooking on to the engine. The Aliens - mainly the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) - were shot and edited absolutely woefully.
The characters varied between simply dull to excrutiating. Kelly left her husband and never answered her daughters question about doing so. Dallas and Ricky seem to barely tolerate each other. Jesse and Dale were shitty stereotypes. The only relationship worth anything was that of Dallas and the Sheriff, but once agan was wasted utterly. They obviously were friends once upon a time and one fought crime and the other committed it. Perfect staging for an exploration of how they influence each other to bring out the best in the situation – but there was no development. Another wasted opportunity was Kelly and Molly – mother struggling with guilt at abandoning daughter - which could've made it much more than a poor facsimile of Aliens. Except she made a habit of abandoning people.
Add to that of having a dark environment in the rain to create a great mood – wasted. Modern soldiers taking on the Aliens – lasted what? 90 seconds?
One positive was Whyte's performance as the Predator. Can't think of anything else. Even the sound effects were blatantly sampled from better films. Same with the soundtrack – Messrs Goldsmith (well, his estate), Horner, Goldenthal and Frizzell should get their attorneys to have a listen.
I could go on and on, but I'd just be repeating what others have been saying for the last 3 years or so. Just an endless litany of dumb people doing and saying dumb things, with Aliens and Predators doing equally dumb things.
Must be frustrating for writers of fan fic when shit just as bad like this gets made into a film.
As bad as Anderson's film was, and it was, this was infinitely worse.
Could'a saved yourself a whole lotta trouble and just said the script sucked, lol
I haven't read the whole script.
Now I don't need to.
You never did. (http://www.outpostavp.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=107:sil-reads-the-first-draft-of-avp-2-and-writes-his-thoughts&catid=48:communityarticles&Itemid=88)
That's another reason I never read the whole thing.
It's my only real problem with the film, TBH. The dialogue is so painful to listen to that the only reason I stomach it is because I think the film is dumb fun despite being worse than Anderson's. Then again, I haven't seen Requiem in at least a year.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2010, 10:23:23 PM
It didn't.
Though Stevens did say 'What the hell are you?' to the screen grab of the Ailen. Which was enough for him to murder thousands of people.
Yes, I have finally watched all of AvP:Poo.
(Copy and paste from AXP)
Parte the Firste:
The script is utterly appalling. Like when the sheriff is out in the dark about to stop looking for the hunter and his son. Not only does he resist the help that's offered in the form of an excrutiating "We look out for our own" as if the Sheriff was new in town. Then we have the wife tell us - twice in the space of a couple of minutes "They're out there". Apparently "they wouldn't stop looking for [her]". So does she resume searching at first light? No - she hands out flyers. Does the sheriff continue looking? Nah - gotta go get coffee, and drop off some exposition.
Soldeir girl and husband talking "Molly just needs more time". Phew thanks for saying her name - I thought you might've meant the other emotionally withdrawn Newt clones. Who talks like that?
Much has been said of the f**king stupid Predator skinning the cop while trying to erase any trace of the Aliens, and their victims. A Predator who also seems to be the most f**king awful shot since stormtroopers.
But more than anything the pace is just moronic. I'm up to the bit just after the pool scene, and it's been nothing but stop/ start the whole time. As soon as anything happens, and there's a chance the momentum might start to build up to something - we cut to the next batch of cardboard cut outs who's names we can't remember, doing something just as equally unmemorable.
Parte the Second:
Finished watching it on the train. Ye Gods...
I think it's worst crime is chronic waste of potential.
If you can ignore the inexplicable return to Earth of the Predator ship and the sheer stupidity of a Predator blowing the shit of his ship by accident - a ship packing facehuggers no less - you'd be forgiven for thinking that after the ship crashes you could be in a for a half decent flick.
But the acting, the script, the dialogue, just everything is terrible. Even ADIs work which is generally solid in terms of execution, if not design, was very substandard. Never before has an Alien looked so obviously like a guy in a suit - not just in look by also in performance. Even at the end of Alien, the prehensile tail looked cool hooking on to the engine. The Aliens - mainly the PredAlien (may its name be forever cursed) - were shot and edited absolutely woefully.
The characters varied between simply dull to excrutiating. Kelly left her husband and never answered her daughters question about doing so. Dallas and Ricky seem to barely tolerate each other. Jesse and Dale were shitty stereotypes. The only relationship worth anything was that of Dallas and the Sheriff, but once agan was wasted utterly. They obviously were friends once upon a time and one fought crime and the other committed it. Perfect staging for an exploration of how they influence each other to bring out the best in the situation – but there was no development. Another wasted opportunity was Kelly and Molly – mother struggling with guilt at abandoning daughter - which could've made it much more than a poor facsimile of Aliens. Except she made a habit of abandoning people.
Add to that of having a dark environment in the rain to create a great mood – wasted. Modern soldiers taking on the Aliens – lasted what? 90 seconds?
One positive was Whyte's performance as the Predator. Can't think of anything else. Even the sound effects were blatantly sampled from better films. Same with the soundtrack – Messrs Goldsmith (well, his estate), Horner, Goldenthal and Frizzell should get their attorneys to have a listen.
I could go on and on, but I'd just be repeating what others have been saying for the last 3 years or so. Just an endless litany of dumb people doing and saying dumb things, with Aliens and Predators doing equally dumb things.
Must be frustrating for writers of fan fic when shit just as bad like this gets made into a film.
As bad as Anderson's film was, and it was, this was infinitely worse.
Pretty much sums it up.
QuoteIt's my only real problem with the film, TBH. The dialogue is so painful to listen to that the only reason I stomach it is because I think the film is dumb fun despite being worse than Anderson's. Then again, I haven't seen Requiem in at least a year.
It's not just what they say - it's what they do that sucks any sort of fun out of it. And that includes the Aliens. They might as well be carrying around megaphones to telegraph their imminent arrivals.
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
QuoteIt's my only real problem with the film, TBH. The dialogue is so painful to listen to that the only reason I stomach it is because I think the film is dumb fun despite being worse than Anderson's. Then again, I haven't seen Requiem in at least a year.
It's not just what they say - it's what they do that sucks any sort of fun out of it. And that includes the Aliens. They might as well be carrying around megaphones to telegraph their imminent arrivals.
Although the PredXeno impaling the pizza boy was a pleasant surprise...too bad it didnt get the job done
Another dumb thing. Ricky gets impaled by an Alien and lives; Dallas is nabbed by a Predator and strung up and lives. Anyone else carrying a gun in the film get their head shot off, but, oh no, not our Dallas. Anyone else getting touched by Aliens ends with a big glob of their blood spraying on a window or something.
They might as well have had big signs on their heads saying SCRIPT IMMUNITY, such was the extent they didn't even bother to hide it. Even them killing Sam at the start, and the utterly tasteless DURRRR CHESTBURRRSTURRSS EATED DA BABBEHS, never made me think Molly would die.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 01:12:57 AM
Another dumb thing. Ricky gets impaled by an Alien and lives; Dallas is nabbed by a Predator and strung up and lives. Anyone else carrying a gun in the film get their head shot off, but, oh no, not our Dallas. Anyone else getting touched by Aliens ends with a big glob of their blood spraying on a window or something.
They might as well have had big signs on their heads saying SCRIPT IMMUNITY, such was the extent they didn't even bother to hide it. Even them killing Sam at the start, and the utterly tasteless DURRRR CHESTBURRRSTURRSS EATED DA BABBEHS, never made me think Molly would die.
My major complaint is that there were survivors...
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 30, 2010, 01:06:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
QuoteIt's my only real problem with the film, TBH. The dialogue is so painful to listen to that the only reason I stomach it is because I think the film is dumb fun despite being worse than Anderson's. Then again, I haven't seen Requiem in at least a year.
It's not just what they say - it's what they do that sucks any sort of fun out of it. And that includes the Aliens. They might as well be carrying around megaphones to telegraph their imminent arrivals.
Although the PredXeno impaling the pizza boy was a pleasant surprise...too bad it didnt get the job done
What do you expect from predxeno? Oh wait you mean the predalien. :P
Na seriously I think even our predxeno would of been able to do a better job than chet did. ;)
Yeah like Sm said it stunk of Script Immunity.
Once I saw wolf grab two aliens by the neck and take no damage what so ever but a scratched mask. I said "yeah this guy is immune." Or dallas being strung up. (minus the fact i saw that part as totally epic but once i thought about it; if there were other preds with him, he would of been shreded.)
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 30, 2010, 01:26:55 AM
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 30, 2010, 01:06:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
QuoteIt's my only real problem with the film, TBH. The dialogue is so painful to listen to that the only reason I stomach it is because I think the film is dumb fun despite being worse than Anderson's. Then again, I haven't seen Requiem in at least a year.
It's not just what they say - it's what they do that sucks any sort of fun out of it. And that includes the Aliens. They might as well be carrying around megaphones to telegraph their imminent arrivals.
Although the PredXeno impaling the pizza boy was a pleasant surprise...too bad it didnt get the job done
What do you expect from predxeno? Oh wait you mean the predalien. :P
Na seriously I think even our predxeno would of been able to do a better job than chet did. ;)
Yeah like Sm said it stunk of Script Immunity.
Once I saw wolf grab two aliens by the neck and take no damage what so ever but a scratched mask. I said "yeah this guy is immune." Or dallas being strung up. (minus the fact i saw that part as totally epic but once i thought about it; if there were other preds with him, he would of been shreded.)
To be completely fair to a shit movie Wolf wasn't after him, he was strung up as bait for xenos.
Did I miss something? ???
After they made such a big show of the douchebag in the graveyard getting his head exploded 'cos he had a gun - the Predator simply lets Dallas live?
TBH I cant really remember the graveyard scene too much, but from memory the pred only kills humans with guns that are a threat to him or his mission. He used Dallas as bait to lure and kill the xeno which was his objective. The fact that this was lost on you goes to show how well this was portrayed in the film ::) Good job Ze Strauss
I guess that might make sense, but yeah it was not made clear at all in the film. Maybe they should had a POV from the Predator up in the ceiling looking down at Dallas with Aliens approaching - but all we got was, he drops the gun then Kelly and Molly find it seconds later.
This is where the film is a failure in every way. Wherever the script actually gets something right (as right as it can be in this film) the BS fail at utilizing it. It was a collaborative fail which is a real shame for a film that had potential to be good.
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 30, 2010, 01:28:57 AM
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 30, 2010, 01:26:55 AM
Quote from: Ghostface on Nov 30, 2010, 01:06:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
QuoteIt's my only real problem with the film, TBH. The dialogue is so painful to listen to that the only reason I stomach it is because I think the film is dumb fun despite being worse than Anderson's. Then again, I haven't seen Requiem in at least a year.
It's not just what they say - it's what they do that sucks any sort of fun out of it. And that includes the Aliens. They might as well be carrying around megaphones to telegraph their imminent arrivals.
Although the PredXeno impaling the pizza boy was a pleasant surprise...too bad it didnt get the job done
What do you expect from predxeno? Oh wait you mean the predalien. :P
Na seriously I think even our predxeno would of been able to do a better job than chet did. ;)
Yeah like Sm said it stunk of Script Immunity.
Once I saw wolf grab two aliens by the neck and take no damage what so ever but a scratched mask. I said "yeah this guy is immune." Or dallas being strung up. (minus the fact i saw that part as totally epic but once i thought about it; if there were other preds with him, he would of been shreded.)
To be completely fair to a shit movie Wolf wasn't after him, he was strung up as bait for xenos.
i knew you would say that but he didn't need him as bait the xeno's where already in the building they would of went after the humans anyways, no point in stringing him up.
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
Did I miss something? ???
After they made such a big show of the douchebag in the graveyard getting his head exploded 'cos he had a gun - the Predator simply lets Dallas live?
I think he would've shot Dallas but as soon as he saw him there was an Alien right behind him so it made more sense to kill the Alien.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 30, 2010, 02:14:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
Did I miss something? ???
After they made such a big show of the douchebag in the graveyard getting his head exploded 'cos he had a gun - the Predator simply lets Dallas live?
I think he would've shot Dallas but as soon as he saw him there was an Alien right behind him so it made more sense to kill the Alien.
thusly again taking the time to string him up instead of shooting the aliens who were already in the building crawling on the cieling before. wolf even saw the bugs go into the building. There was no reason to use dallas as bait at all.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 30, 2010, 02:10:07 AM
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Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
QuoteIt's my only real problem with the film, TBH. The dialogue is so painful to listen to that the only reason I stomach it is because I think the film is dumb fun despite being worse than Anderson's. Then again, I haven't seen Requiem in at least a year.
It's not just what they say - it's what they do that sucks any sort of fun out of it. And that includes the Aliens. They might as well be carrying around megaphones to telegraph their imminent arrivals.
Although the PredXeno impaling the pizza boy was a pleasant surprise...too bad it didnt get the job done
What do you expect from predxeno? Oh wait you mean the predalien. :P
Na seriously I think even our predxeno would of been able to do a better job than chet did. ;)
Yeah like Sm said it stunk of Script Immunity.
Once I saw wolf grab two aliens by the neck and take no damage what so ever but a scratched mask. I said "yeah this guy is immune." Or dallas being strung up. (minus the fact i saw that part as totally epic but once i thought about it; if there were other preds with him, he would of been shreded.)
To be completely fair to a shit movie Wolf wasn't after him, he was strung up as bait for xenos.
i knew you would say that but he didn't need him as bait the xeno's where already in the building they would of went after the humans anyways, no point in stringing him up.
There was pretty much no point to anything wolf did. Skinning the cop, going mano e mano with predxeno just to name a few.
Quote from: The Ghoul on Nov 30, 2010, 02:17:11 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 30, 2010, 02:14:10 AM
Quote from: SM on Nov 30, 2010, 01:45:59 AM
Did I miss something? ???
After they made such a big show of the douchebag in the graveyard getting his head exploded 'cos he had a gun - the Predator simply lets Dallas live?
I think he would've shot Dallas but as soon as he saw him there was an Alien right behind him so it made more sense to kill the Alien.
thusly again taking the time to string him up instead of shooting the aliens who were already in the building crawling on the cieling before. wolf even saw the bugs go into the building. There was no reason to use dallas as bait at all.
Oh, you're referring to the sports store sequence. I thought we were discussing the hospital rooftop.
No the sports store (is that what it was? So fecking dark...).
Yes. Yes it was. Only in the States would you find firearms in one, too.
Well that's cause Hunting is a sport in the USA. :P
And we like our guns. :D
Always thought there was an element of compensation in there.
Only an 'element'?
Heh heh heh.
AVP is fun. The suits are good and the cinematography and editing are nice and quick paced. Far from a great film, but entertaining none the less. AVP:R, on the other hand, is a friggin' disaster. I bought it for completion purposes, but it is easily the low point of all three franchises.
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 24, 2010, 03:39:31 AM
AVP is fun. The suits are good and the cinematography and editing are nice and quick paced. Far from a great film, but entertaining none the less. AVP:R, on the other hand, is a friggin' disaster. I bought it for completion purposes, but it is easily the low point of all three franchises.
Did you completly miss the Predator part of Alien vs Predator?
He didn't. Did you? :P
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Dec 25, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 24, 2010, 03:39:31 AM
AVP is fun. The suits are good and the cinematography and editing are nice and quick paced. Far from a great film, but entertaining none the less. AVP:R, on the other hand, is a friggin' disaster. I bought it for completion purposes, but it is easily the low point of all three franchises.
Did you completly miss the Predator part of Alien vs Predator?
With you on this one. I hate teh fat Predz.
The Preds looked fatter in some shots due to having short actors in a suit creature for a tall actor. This squished it all together making them wider. Coupled with the larger sized suits to begin with and you've got a bunch of teen preds that need to get out more and off thems damned computer games.
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Dec 25, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 24, 2010, 03:39:31 AM
AVP is fun. The suits are good and the cinematography and editing are nice and quick paced. Far from a great film, but entertaining none the less. AVP:R, on the other hand, is a friggin' disaster. I bought it for completion purposes, but it is easily the low point of all three franchises.
Did you completly miss the Predator part of Alien vs Predator?
Yeah, I had no issue with them. Sure, they should've used taller actors, but having short Predators doesn't ruin the fun of it for me. I'm far less picky on the aesthetics of things then most fans. So long as minimal CG is used, I'm happy. I don't even have the "rubber monster" issues some seem to have with AVP:R; my gripe is it's a terrible film. :P
And this poll being as close as it is is strange and upsetting :P
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 26, 2010, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Dec 25, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 24, 2010, 03:39:31 AM
AVP is fun. The suits are good and the cinematography and editing are nice and quick paced. Far from a great film, but entertaining none the less. AVP:R, on the other hand, is a friggin' disaster. I bought it for completion purposes, but it is easily the low point of all three franchises.
Did you completly miss the Predator part of Alien vs Predator?
Yeah, I had no issue with them. Sure, they should've used taller actors, but having short Predators doesn't ruin the fun of it for me. I'm far less picky on the aesthetics of things then most fans. So long as minimal CG is used, I'm happy. I don't even have the "rubber monster" issues some seem to have with AVP:R; my gripe is it's a terrible film. :P
And this poll being as close as it is is strange and upsetting :P
I think people who voted AVP: Rectum didnt vote for the story, acting, directing, look and logic of the movie (lack of it I mean) or anything else, but purely on Wolf
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 26, 2010, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 26, 2010, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Dec 25, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 24, 2010, 03:39:31 AM
AVP is fun. The suits are good and the cinematography and editing are nice and quick paced. Far from a great film, but entertaining none the less. AVP:R, on the other hand, is a friggin' disaster. I bought it for completion purposes, but it is easily the low point of all three franchises.
Did you completly miss the Predator part of Alien vs Predator?
Yeah, I had no issue with them. Sure, they should've used taller actors, but having short Predators doesn't ruin the fun of it for me. I'm far less picky on the aesthetics of things then most fans. So long as minimal CG is used, I'm happy. I don't even have the "rubber monster" issues some seem to have with AVP:R; my gripe is it's a terrible film. :P
And this poll being as close as it is is strange and upsetting :P
I think people who voted AVP: Rectum didnt vote for the story, acting, directing and logic of the movie (lack of it I mean) or anything else, but purely on Wolf
No i voted for the half naked strip tease pool shot. :P
I really don't know why I voted for AVP R over AVP, i do know it wasn't for wolf or the retarded aliens.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 26, 2010, 11:43:34 AM
I think people who voted AVP: Rectum didnt vote for the story, acting, directing, look and logic of the movie (lack of it I mean) or anything else, but purely on Wolf
Gore, too. Someone was deluded, all like OMG NO AVP IS PG13URZ AVPR IS MUCH BETTAH COS IT HAS GOAR!!!11!1!1!.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 26, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 26, 2010, 11:43:34 AM
I think people who voted AVP: Rectum didnt vote for the story, acting, directing, look and logic of the movie (lack of it I mean) or anything else, but purely on Wolf
Gore, too. Someone was deluded, all like OMG NO AVP IS PG13URZ AVPR IS MUCH BETTAH COS IT HAS GOAR!!!11!1!1!.
Yeah, which is an approach I will never understand. Alien without a drop of blood wouldnt change anything and wouldnt become a lesser movie
As for the ass shot, it makes me uncomfortable since Im way too old for High School girls and Im not a pedophile. That shot (among many other things) makes it clear what the targeted age of the audience was
Exactly. It would be a masterpiece even if the Chestbursting had one quarter of the blood it had.
AvPR felt all like a teenage horror film on the lines of Slasher flicks, and the pool scene is just another way to prove it.
Another thing about the gore is that in this movie is cartoony and for me personally, doesnt feel like gore at all. Some people are repulsed by the bellybursting but I dont find the movie that gory tho because the gore is done with cheap, very obvious CG so for me its like a video game violence. I turn my head from the screen sometimes during REAL gore, for example when theyre doin Cain operation in Robocop 2 cutting his skull and taking it off, as I dont realy like to stare at the excessive gore, but the gore of AVP:R is like nothing - its like a drawn, cartoon gore. Makes no effect on me whatsoever because of its obvious animation, its like watching gore from Doom game, its so obviously fake and not physical but animated
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 26, 2010, 12:28:53 PM
As for the ass shot, it makes me uncomfortable since Im way too old for High School girls and Im not a pedophile. That shot (among many other things) makes it clear what the targeted age of the audience was
Eh, that broad was like 23 during filming.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 26, 2010, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 26, 2010, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: DJ Pu55yface on Dec 25, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
Quote from: MykeHavoc on Dec 24, 2010, 03:39:31 AM
AVP is fun. The suits are good and the cinematography and editing are nice and quick paced. Far from a great film, but entertaining none the less. AVP:R, on the other hand, is a friggin' disaster. I bought it for completion purposes, but it is easily the low point of all three franchises.
Did you completly miss the Predator part of Alien vs Predator?
Yeah, I had no issue with them. Sure, they should've used taller actors, but having short Predators doesn't ruin the fun of it for me. I'm far less picky on the aesthetics of things then most fans. So long as minimal CG is used, I'm happy. I don't even have the "rubber monster" issues some seem to have with AVP:R; my gripe is it's a terrible film. :P
And this poll being as close as it is is strange and upsetting :P
I think people who voted AVP: Rectum didnt vote for the story, acting, directing, look and logic of the movie (lack of it I mean) or anything else, but purely on Wolf
I vote Requiem because it was more entertaining. Stupid movie, but dumb fun.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 25, 2010, 06:27:39 PM
With you on this one. I hate teh fat Predz.
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Where is all this fat you guys are talking about?
I may be blind, because I don't see any.
It is because they look chunky with all the extra armour. Some people didn't like the bulk.
Despite the fact that behemoth preds had been very present in fan art for years prior to the AvP movie, the pred fans all seemed to hate them.
Personally the bulk is not what bugged me, but how shit their faces were. Same problem I had with the 'super' preds in Predators.
I still don't know if I like or hate the "super" preds face.
DERP
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predators/productionstills/normal_productionstill027.jpg)
But I think this one looks pretty damn good.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predators/productionstills/normal_productionstill025.jpg)
Personally I think the bad preds need more teeth. Upper and lower, maybe more on their mandibles. That, and a more pronounced brow. The harlequin look can only go so far.
If the only way to distinguish between the two pred types is by the brainy bits on the super preds noggin than there will be some problems down the line if they go for the 'Blood Feud' predator on predator route for the sequels(s)
Quote from: Kriszilla on Dec 27, 2010, 03:58:53 AM
It is because they look chunky with all the extra armour. Some people didn't like the bulk.
Doesn't quite explain why they are called "fat". Bulk of the armor is one thing, fat is a whole different thing. They just wanted to throw mud at the Predators perhaps? I'm tired of hearing
oh bwook the preds were fatties lolololol... it's nonsense.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 27, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
DERP
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:D
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 27, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
But I think this one looks pretty damn good.
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I really liked the second still too. After seeing it I kinda hoped the BSP had pupil-less red eyes. Now that is something I'd have liked.
LOL @ the "Derp". XD
Personally I think the bad preds need more teeth. Upper and lower, maybe more on their mandibles. That, and a more pronounced brow. The harlequin look can only go so far.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 27, 2010, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: Kriszilla on Dec 27, 2010, 03:58:53 AM
It is because they look chunky with all the extra armour. Some people didn't like the bulk.
Doesn't quite explain why they are called "fat". Bulk of the armor is one thing, fat is a whole different thing. They just wanted to throw mud at the Predators perhaps? I'm tired of hearing oh bwook the preds were fatties lolololol... it's nonsense.
It's just an expresion , nothing really serious about their fat.
The point is that the preds in AvP looks too much like Vikings warrior instead of african hunters/warriors (masay)
Whatever the worst thing about them would ever be their terrible faces. scar's face photo should be link with the world "failure" in every dictionnaries.
Quote from: Kriszilla on Dec 27, 2010, 03:58:53 AM
It is because they look chunky with all the extra armour. Some people didn't like the bulk.
Despite the fact that behemoth preds had been very present in fan art for years prior to the AvP movie, the pred fans all seemed to hate them.
True
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And they simply have much more armor than any other movie predators. After all, theyre going after aliens, not humans, and theyre fighting in a cold
Never really read any of the comics and in the movie all the same, it's going to look substantially different than it does in a comic. Part of the problem was that the suit actors in AvP were short; under the standard 7 foot marker like KPH.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 27, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
I still don't know if I like or hate the "super" preds face.
DERP
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predators/productionstills/normal_productionstill027.jpg)
But I think this one looks pretty damn good.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predators/productionstills/normal_productionstill025.jpg)
Personally I think the bad preds need more teeth. Upper and lower, maybe more on their mandibles. That, and a more pronounced brow. The harlequin look can only go so far.
If the only way to distinguish between the two pred types is by the brainy bits on the super preds noggin than there will be some problems down the line if they go for the 'Blood Feud' predator on predator route for the sequels(s)
It's kinda like Newborn. Supposed to be hideous and repulsive, yet I still dislike it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 27, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
Never really read any of the comics and in the movie all the same, it's going to look substantially different than it does in a comic
Well, but the AVP movie didnt invent the monster teamup, and the mere idea of the joint franchise wasnt what made it so popular, but that original series was. So if someones doing an AVP movie, I expect it to be faithful to the source of AVP mythology, which is the first AVP comic. And since they had so much armor on that they looked very bulked up, I didnt mind it in the movie either
QuoteQuote from: Spaghetti on Dec 27, 2010, 06:26:24 AM
I still don't know if I like or hate the "super" preds face.
It's kinda like Newborn. Supposed to be hideous and repulsive, yet I still dislike it.
Hideous and repulsive, but cool looking. Like alien is, yet for me the superpred looks ridiculous
Mr. Black would likely be more tolerable for me if his mandibles weren't so f**ked up. Give him the scars and make him look demonic with a new eye design, but give us regular mandibles.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 27, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
Part of the problem was that the suit actors in AvP were short; under the standard 7 foot marker like KPH.
Only the stand-ins;
Predators was the first Predator movie to not have any tall actors (And f**k did it show at the end).
It's obvious that a Predator that faces an Alien should have more armor... imagine Celtic right there when the Alien throws acid at him using the wound on its tail... if there was the original armor there, he'd have a pretty big acid burn right there, don't you think?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 30, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
It's obvious that a Predator that faces an Alien should have more armor... imagine Celtic right there when the Alien throws acid at him using the wound on its tail... if there was the original armor there, he'd have a pretty big acid burn right there, don't you think?
Armor isn't necessary, just acidproof skin and super-sandals.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 30, 2010, 03:58:54 PM
Armor isn't necessary, just acidproof skin and super-sandals.
Funny how their armors arent acidprof but sandals are, heh?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 30, 2010, 05:38:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 27, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
Part of the problem was that the suit actors in AvP were short; under the standard 7 foot marker like KPH.
Only the stand-ins; Predators was the first Predator movie to not have any tall actors (And f**k did it show at the end).
I didn't even notice it in Predators. I was too busy cringing at Mr. Black's face.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 30, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
It's obvious that a Predator that faces an Alien should have more armor... imagine Celtic right there when the Alien throws acid at him using the wound on its tail... if there was the original armor there, he'd have a pretty big acid burn right there, don't you think?
Acid-proofing...which seems to be most widely accepted argument where this is concerned.
AvP
Well – very disappointed it finally got to the big screen. After lots and lots of talk back in 92/93 about it – and then the idea being scrapped because "too much interest for younger people who shouldn't be watching those kind of films" (or something along those lines). Loved the comics very much, especially the first story in that universe.
So was very surprised when they announced this in 2003. Saw Paul WS Anderson slowly develop it. Saw him slowly make a complete disaster of it. Saw the film – and what a complete disaster it was.
Only because (mainly my big problem) it's set on earth...on modern day earth!!!
Oh – and it's also a PG13 / 12 rating – thus feels like a shit kids film.
Some great creature designs. Loved the aspects taken from the comic. Liked the queen running around at the end.
Complete wasted opportunity though.
What's with the alien's lifecycle (already mention many times I have noticed). But I was like WTF when I saw that on screen!!!
Overall wasn't happy with it.
and why wasnt Stan Winston invovled?!
AvPR
voted for this
Still not so happy with it being set in earth – but preferred it over AvP.
Didn't like the teen pussys, but said thank you to God when they all died horribly.
Enjoyed the Predator's arsenal of weapons. Those wall stick bombs where very cool.
But sadly that PredAlien hybrid was simply simply awful. Dreadlocks?????!!!!!!!!
Over the years – I have seen many concepts for predAliens – and liked most of them. Didn't like this one at all.
And what the hell was with that reproducing with pregnant ladies???!!!!
Some good sequences though.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 31, 2010, 12:32:05 AM
Acid-proofing...which seems to be most widely accepted argument where this is concerned.
The original armor left skin unprotected where Celtic was hit... he would've got a burn.
I voted AVPR cause I like its style and some plot elements it had. AVP is a cool PG-13 way to enter the series, but I think AVPR is more true to the mood and tone of the AVP franchise.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 06:46:28 AM
I voted AVPR cause I like its style and some plot elements it had. AVP is a cool PG-13 way to enter the series, but I think AVPR is more true to the mood and tone of the AVP franchise.
But yet it contains almost no elements of it. AVP did
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I meant that AVPR had lots of R-rated action and didn't hold anything back just for a lower rating. AVP is more true to the style of the AVP comics, but AVPR has a darker atmosphere like the previous movies.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 02:34:54 PM
I meant that AVPR had lots of R-rated action and didn't hold anything back just for a lower rating. AVP is more true to the style of the AVP comics, but AVPR has a darker atmosphere like the previous movies.
^...and games. I agree.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 02:34:54 PM
but AVPR has a darker atmosphere like the previous movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79oC63H7HbI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79oC63H7HbI#)
Spoiler
;D
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 02:34:54 PM
I meant that AVPR had lots of R-rated action and didn't hold anything back just for a lower rating. AVP is more true to the style of the AVP comics, but AVPR has a darker atmosphere like the previous movies.
Disagree. AVP:R is the furthest removed from the alien movies. AVP had plenty of signature traits from an alien series:
- A hostile/isolated setting.
- A small group trapped.
- Long buildup (like the first 2 movies).
- False ending - in Alien , we think the alien blew up with the ship but appears in Narcissus. In Aliens we think the aliens were dusted but the Queen appears. In Alien 3 we think that runner was boiled but jumps up, and even in Resurection we think the aliens died with Betty but Newborn shows up. In AVP, the Queen appears after the pyramid and the aliens within it turns to history
AvPR is the first film featuring Aliens that doesn't have a "surprise" ending. Also it hasn't any group trapped in anything. The setting is not isolated. And the main characters are teens...
Not to mention zero atmosphere and no dramatic tension.
I actually felt that AVPR was like Aliens (film) vs. Predator 2 (film). It combined elements and similar characters from both movies and had them duke it out with each other.
But still, it was AVP that had all the signature traits of both alien movies and the AVP comics
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
I actually felt that AVPR was like Aliens (film) vs. Predator 2 (film). It combined elements and similar characters from both movies and had them duke it out with each other.
It was the spiritual successor to neither. A more apt description would be every low-budget teen slasher flick ever made (films) covered in a thick paste of superficial references to the Alien (films) films and the Predator (films) films. AVP-R has more to do with Dinoshark vs Sharktopus (film) than Predator 2 (film).
Perhaps, it's just that AVPR had more of a horror-film feel to it; and let's remember, Alien is best known as one of the most famous horror films ever created.
EDIT: AVP was more like a Jurassic Park-esque film to me. There were very few fear elements or gore at all in the film outside of the Unrated Edition.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 10:09:34 PM
Perhaps, it's just that AVPR had more of a horror-film feel to it; and let's remember, Alien is best known as one of the most famous horror films ever created.
I must disagree. Being stranded hundreds of miles away from any civilization, lost in the corridors with aliens running around and giant queen is much more horror-like than the B movie approach of just being in a small town where you can get tanks, loads of guns from guns stores, choppers, unlimited space around and you can basically just drive away
The people in AVPR couldn't drive away; the roads were blocked. AVP didn't make any attempt to shock or scare the audience. AVPR had surprise attacks like when the Predalien impales Ricky and when an Alien attacks the chopper. AVP also didn't appear to make much use of darkness as we often see Aliens in very bright places where the fear factor is removed.
Y- You...
Did you just say that AvP put the Aliens in a poor setting? Not the shit-film? The one where they were in Colorado?
Bwa-
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 10:34:17 PM
The people in AVPR couldn't drive away; the roads were blocked. AVP didn't make any attempt to shock or scare the audience. AVPR had surprise attacks like when the Predalien impales Ricky and when an Alien attacks the chopper. AVP also didn't appear to make much use of darkness as we often see Aliens in very bright places where the fear factor is removed.
The roads were not blocked. The National Guards were dead. People had loads of guns and trucks and even tanks to go around. Cars, everything. An armed group of people in a car would made it just fine because its giant open space. And even if roads were blocked, its even better. Arrive at the blockade and youre safe with military around the perimeter. Not to mention that its an entire town, as we can see the character can walk freely most of the time because again, its such an open space. AVP is quieter, slower, actually has a buildup and a trapped group hundreds of miles away from any other human beings, trapped in a maze like rats with aliens running around
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 10:02:04 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 09, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
I actually felt that AVPR was like Aliens (film) vs. Predator 2 (film). It combined elements and similar characters from both movies and had them duke it out with each other.
It was the spiritual successor to neither. A more apt description would be every low-budget teen slasher flick ever made (films) covered in a thick paste of superficial references to the Alien (films) films and the Predator (films) films. AVP-R has more to do with Dinoshark vs Sharktopus (film) than Predator 2 (film).
I don't know, personally I put AvP:R on the same level as P2. Both are dumb fun. Predator 2 has a better script but the film is loaded with cheese.
^^^Agreed! But I'd rather watch P2. :)
At least the cheese in P2 is delicious, whereas in AVPR it tastes like someone left it outside for a few months past its expiration date.
:D
If P2 is the Chedder AVP:R = Limburger Cheese.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 09, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
At least the cheese in P2 is delicious, whereas in AVPR it tastes like someone left it outside for a few months past its expiration date.
Cheese only gets better with age.
See what I did there?
80s cheese if always fun. Modern cheese = something ridiculous, silly and not fun
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 11:38:58 PM
Cheese only gets better with age.
See what I did there?
Predator 2 was released 21 years ago.
See what I did there? :D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 09, 2011, 10:39:05 PM
Y- You...
Did you just say that AvP put the Aliens in a poor setting? Not the shit-film? The one where they were in Colorado?
Bwa-
I didn't say that AVPR had a better setting, in fact I think AVP had a better plot involving the pyramid in Antarctica. I'm just saying that I think AVPR had a more similar dark atmosphere that was observant in previous Alien films.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 09, 2011, 11:06:58 PM
The roads were not blocked. The National Guards were dead. People had loads of guns and trucks and even tanks to go around. Cars, everything. An armed group of people in a car would made it just fine because its giant open space. And even if roads were blocked, its even better. Arrive at the blockade and youre safe with military around the perimeter. Not to mention that its an entire town, as we can see the character can walk freely most of the time because again, its such an open space. AVP is quieter, slower, actually has a buildup and a trapped group hundreds of miles away from any other human beings, trapped in a maze like rats with aliens running around
I'm pretty sure Dallas says the roads are blocked when he was trying to break into the gun store. I also think there was a deleted scene where an Alien attacks two people in a car. That could explain that; the Aliens could have been trying to contain all the people to areas near their nest.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 10, 2011, 01:34:40 AM
I didn't say that AVPR had a better setting, in fact I think AVP had a better plot involving the pyramid in Antarctica. I'm just saying that I think AVPR had a more similar dark atmosphere that was observant in previous Alien films.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 10, 2011, 01:34:40 AM
I'm just saying that I think AVPR had a more similar dark atmosphere that was observant in previous Alien films.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 10, 2011, 01:34:40 AM
I think AVPR had a more similar dark atmosphere that was observant in previous Alien films.
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Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 10, 2011, 01:02:30 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 09, 2011, 11:38:58 PM
Cheese only gets better with age.
See what I did there?
Predator 2 was released 21 years ago.
See what I did there? :D
Why you...
I recently bought the BluRay copy of AvP-R an the picture is not as dark as the DvD. It yet still has a dark picture because it is some what of a Horror movie.
Quote from: Daken on Jan 10, 2011, 05:46:07 AM
I recently bought the BluRay copy of AvP-R an the picture is not as dark as the DvD. It yet still has a dark picture because it is some what of a Horror movie.
I did read somewhere that the DVD copy was darkened. The brothers had nothing to do with it, not that Im defending them.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jan 10, 2011, 05:53:50 AM
I did read somewhere that the DVD copy was darkened.
Why? ???
Quote from: Ghostface on Jan 10, 2011, 05:53:50 AM
Quote from: Daken on Jan 10, 2011, 05:46:07 AM
I recently bought the BluRay copy of AvP-R an the picture is not as dark as the DvD. It yet still has a dark picture because it is some what of a Horror movie.
I did read somewhere that the DVD copy was darkened. The brothers had nothing to do with it, not that Im defending them.
When watching on DVD I would just turn the brightness up on the TV.
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 10, 2011, 05:59:02 AM
Quote from: Ghostface on Jan 10, 2011, 05:53:50 AM
I did read somewhere that the DVD copy was darkened.
Why? ???
Id assume the studio were trying to cover up the horrible mess the BS made. Perhaps if its dark, we wont see all the shitty details. Fail.
I still would go with AvP-R than AvP. Less human befreinding. :D
Quote from: Daken on Jan 10, 2011, 06:26:49 AM
I still would go with AvP-R than AvP. Less human befreinding. :D
Well yeh theres that...
Quote from: Taxemic on Jan 09, 2011, 11:14:59 PM
If P2 is the Chedder AVP:R = Limburger Cheese.
AvPR = Fromunda cheese
Quote from: Ghostface on Jan 10, 2011, 05:53:50 AM
Quote from: Daken on Jan 10, 2011, 05:46:07 AM
I recently bought the BluRay copy of AvP-R an the picture is not as dark as the DvD. It yet still has a dark picture because it is some what of a Horror movie.
I did read somewhere that the DVD copy was darkened. The brothers had nothing to do with it, not that Im defending them.
Got the blu ray myself, and my television and blu ray are properly calibrated and I can say the movie is the darkest movie I ever saw. Even daytime scenes are super dark. I had no idea the dvd was even darker. This has got to be Fox's Biggest F**k up of a movie. Oh and I love how the screen caps on the back of the blu ray case look bright and normal, and not pitch black. Talk about deception.
AVPR's darker than T-Men.
AVPR's darker than Pitch Black ;D
I'd have to go with AVP. At least it feels more like a science fiction movie with the pyramid in the artic. AVP-R has the worst setting/art design direction for this series ever. The small hick town makes the whole movie look like a scifi channel original. The 15 minutes of Wolf jacking dudes can't save it.
Quote from: DragonBossk on Jan 10, 2011, 01:33:59 PM
AVPR's darker than Pitch Black ;D
Which is not really that dark... or at least, it is dark, but the clever, clever director (DAVID TWOHY MOTHERf**kERS) makes the lighting go where it can go in a way that you can see the center of attention in each scene. Something that doesn't really happen in AvPR...
They're both pretty bad, but I found AVPR more satisfying with all the creature carnage (although you can't see most of it). The first AVP just gets on my nerves. I can't stand Paul WS Anderson.
I still think a good Aliens vs. Predator film can work, but it'll probably never happen now.
Quote from: Brett on Jan 23, 2011, 04:44:21 AM
I still think a good Aliens vs. Predator film can work, but it'll probably never happen now.
That's what they said a decade ago, never lose hope. ;) :D
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 23, 2011, 05:02:02 AM
Quote from: Brett on Jan 23, 2011, 04:44:21 AM
I still think a good Aliens vs. Predator film can work, but it'll probably never happen now.
That's what they said a decade ago, never lose hope. ;) :D
Time flys doesn't it. I don't think there will ever be an actual Alien film. :-\
Quote from: Daken on Jan 23, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jan 23, 2011, 05:02:02 AM
Quote from: Brett on Jan 23, 2011, 04:44:21 AM
I still think a good Aliens vs. Predator film can work, but it'll probably never happen now.
That's what they said a decade ago, never lose hope. ;) :D
Time flys doesn't it. I don't think there will ever be an actual Alien film. :-\
What? You didn't like the Alien films? Or am I mistaken?
Quote from: Brett on Jan 23, 2011, 04:44:21 AM
They're both pretty bad, but I found AVPR more satisfying with all the creature carnage (although you can't see most of it). The first AVP just gets on my nerves. I can't stand Paul WS Anderson.
I still think a good Aliens vs. Predator film can work, but it'll probably never happen now.
As much as we have been burned by AVPR I'm always ready for a good AVP film. If they make one, I'd go see it in a heart beat. And as far as people saying there will never be a good AVP film, people probably said the same thing about Batman back when Batman and Robin came out. And don't forget that a 3rd Predator film seemed like it would never happen.
Want a good AvP film? Look up AvP: Redemption.
As a film as a whole? AVP. Which is better based on the creatures? AVPR. Overall though I enjoy AVPR more for the most part. Though the Aliens in AVP were better and I am a fan of the Scar predator.
EDIT: I'm starting to like AVP more. The Aliens in it just acted and looked better even though AVPR's did have ridges. AVP just did a lot of things better. The acting was much more tolerable. And the darkness of AVPR literally doesn't help. The only thing that AVPR has over it is Wolf who is my favorite Predator. Though Scar is the runner up only halted by Wolf.
Just wanna know ...
Why do people like Wolf? Aside from he looks 'cool'?
I dunno, I can tell you why I like Chet, tho. :D
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 10, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
I dunno, I can tell you why I like Chet, tho. :D
Nah. But thanks :laugh:
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 10, 2011, 05:32:21 PM
Just wanna know ...
Why do people like Wolf? Aside from he looks 'cool'?
Closest thing we got to a real Predator since P2. Not like the human-loving farce from AvP.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 10, 2011, 05:32:21 PM
Just wanna know ...
Why do people like Wolf? Aside from he looks 'cool'?
He brought a new insight on Predator tech, culture and weapons with him...
That they can read the past through each others bio masks, makes it hard for a predator to brag about a kill he didn't commit... the whip, wristbomb in the ship, mobile plasma caster that can be used by hand if needed and acid-proof wristblades...
...And lets not forget that this demented old fart showed us when he arrived at the store, how a predator/ human team-work should be played out...
Wolf was great and I wouldn't mind to see him again, in a movie done by different directors, but Andersson and the brothers shouldn't be let near an AVP, Alien or a Predator movie again.
He also showed that Preds can't fight for shit.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 10, 2011, 10:55:38 PM
He also showed that Preds can't fight for shit.
True, both movies made the Predators look that way.
And the second one added the Aliens to the humiliation.
The reason why Wolf was so "good" at killing Aliens wasn't because of his deadly skills,
it was because the Aliens lacked any deadly skills...
Same shit with AVP but only the other way around.
I would have liked the fights be like if a human would fight a lion,
They can make the predators tolerant against the acid but the Aliens would still be deadly and superiour in close combat,
because they would claw, bite and tail-strike, along being faster, stronger and more aggressive.
That's how I as a fan of the Predator would like to have seen the Alien fighting a Predator on screen.
But the Predator can't go around killing all the aliens from a distance useing his ranged weapons, eventually he would need to kill an Alien in close combat, cause the hunt calls for it.
That's why the Alien have become the ultimate prey,
cause they are hard as hell to kill that way.
QuoteThe reason why Wolf was so "good" at killing Aliens wasn't because of his deadly skills,
it was because the Aliens lacked any deadly skills...
Same shit with AVP but only the other way around.
Eh? One Predator had a half decent fight with an Alien but lost. It wasn't 'cos they Predators lacked skills - they lacked ranged energy weapons. When one of them got one - he shot a bunch of Aliens.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2011, 12:15:09 AM
QuoteThe reason why Wolf was so "good" at killing Aliens wasn't because of his deadly skills,
it was because the Aliens lacked any deadly skills...
Same shit with AVP but only the other way around.
Eh? One Predator had a half decent fight with an Alien but lost. It wasn't 'cos they Predators lacked skills - they lacked ranged energy weapons. When one of them got one - he shot a bunch of Aliens.
Yes, you are right...but Scar didn't do so well against the Alien who attacked him then desided to attack Lex while it wasn't finished fighting him, she killed it however, then he got jumped again on the sled and was again saved by Lex but before all that he got beaten by a face hugger...cause he didn't pay attention and cause Lex couldn't save him.
Chopper got it from grid....cause he didn't pay attention.
Even celtic who desided to go toe to toe with an Alien, with armor and wristblades that wasn't acid proof got killed cause he didn't pay attention.
Did these predators forget what they where up against present inside the pyramid?
And did Andersson forget that the Predator is an Alien who hunts prey that can and would, if given the chance, kill it, they are big game hunters and they kill themselfs if they can't win.
If you remember the thropy room in the end of P2, each skull in that room belonged to something that was able to kill it,
and the Alien is the one creature who is most capable of doing it.
AVP predators had no skill, anyone could sneak up from behind and kill them no matter where they where hunting cause they didn't pay any attention to their surroundings, it doesn't fit with a creature who travels off-world and hunts the most dangerous prey it can find. And it bets its own life on each hunt that it would be able to kill its selected prey and collect the trophy.
To work and adapt to your surroundings should be a basic skill for a off-world hunter like the Predator.
And AVP predators had none of it.
Quote from: Milan on Feb 11, 2011, 02:36:06 AM
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2011, 12:15:09 AM
QuoteThe reason why Wolf was so "good" at killing Aliens wasn't because of his deadly skills,
it was because the Aliens lacked any deadly skills...
Same shit with AVP but only the other way around.
Eh? One Predator had a half decent fight with an Alien but lost. It wasn't 'cos they Predators lacked skills - they lacked ranged energy weapons. When one of them got one - he shot a bunch of Aliens.
Yes, you are right...but Scar didn't do so well against the Alien who attacked him then desided to attack Lex while it wasn't finished fighting him, she killed it however, then he got jumped again on the sled and was again saved by Lex but before all that he got beaten by a face hugger...cause he didn't pay attention and cause Lex couldn't save him.
Chopper got it from grid....cause he didn't pay attention.
Even celtic who desided to go toe to toe with an Alien, with armor and wristblades that wasn't acid proof got killed cause he didn't pay attention.
Did these predators forget what they where up against present inside the pyramid?
And did Andersson forget that the Predator is an Alien who hunts prey that can and would, if given the chance, kill it, they are big game hunters and they kill themselfs if they can't win.
If you remember the thropy room in the end of P2, each skull in that room belonged to something that was able to kill it,
and the Alien is the one creature who is most capable of doing it.
AVP predators had no skill, anyone could sneak up from behind and kill them no matter where they where hunting cause they didn't pay any attention to their surroundings, it doesn't fit with a creature who travels off-world and hunts the most dangerous prey it can find. And it bets its own life on each hunt that it would be able to kill its selected prey and collect the trophy.
To work and adapt to your surroundings should be a basic skill for a off-world hunter like the Predator.
And AVP predators had none of it.
About Scar it looked to me like he threw the Alien off of him and when the Alien regained his footing relized Lexi was closer to him and potentially easier kill.
You wanna talk about Aliens with no skillzorz - talk about Ailens that walk onto spears then forget they have arms and legs.
Or a, accoriding to previous scenes, a super long tail.
Grid could have speared Scar from where he arrived if he used his tail :P
I don't think Anderson is that crazy :D
Especially considering that the tail is just a freaking goof. Just like the Queen in Aliens had four or three fingers in her inner hands depending if you looked at the small scale animatronic or at the full scale one.
Goof? Seemed rather intentional considering the length never changed.
Yes it did. The tail was never that long again in the movie.
Never noticed.
Quote from: SM on Feb 11, 2011, 03:47:15 AM
You wanna talk about Aliens with no skillzorz - talk about Ailens that walk onto spears then forget they have arms and legs.
Nah, I was talking about Predators with no skills...
The Aliens in AVP came across very lethal to me and I can't see Anytime or Pussyface in any of the predators in AVP.
My opinion is just that AVP favored Aliens over Predators and they made the Predators look lesser by being incompetent,
With AVP:R it was the other way around, the Predator was favored over the Aliens, but not because his natural skills but because the Aliens lacked their natural skills.
These days I prefer AVP over AVP:R mostly because I feel like AVP was better done, it's nicer on the eyes.
And AVP didn't piss all over the Predators as much as AVP:R did with the Aliens, Andersson was more gentle when he raped the creature.
AvP at least had a reason for Predators with lesser skills - it was an initiation; they weren't seasoned hunters.
Which should've set off alarm bells somewhere - does an audience want to see Predators that aren't as good hunters as the ones in previous flicks?
I dunno, doesn't sound bad to me. But when the Preds are just flat-out stupid, that's a different story.
Quote from: SM on Feb 13, 2011, 10:18:24 PM
AvP at least had a reason for Predators with lesser skills - it was an initiation; they weren't seasoned hunters.
True. But even if they weren't seasoned hunters they needed to be more deadly, the movie started out good when they took out the guards above the pyramid...
...when they got inside the pyramid then it all changed, gird and celtic died way to fast.
Pussyface was made to be a younger predator and he seemed so much more talented than the 3 that entered the pyramid.
QuoteWhich should've set off alarm bells somewhere - does an audience want to see Predators that aren't as good hunters as the ones in previous flicks?
Why not, just because they weren't as good as the previous ones doesn't mean that they they need to die that fast.
In Aliens the aliens was introduced to the turret, they are smart and did something to avoid being gunned down by it,
now if these aliens would face a turret again they would know what to do right from the start...This means that an Alien starts out dangerous and becomes even more dangerous if it able to overcome the problems that may occure while it's on a "mission".
Why should a Predator be any lesser, in AVP they started out deadly then they just lost it as soon they entered the pyramid.
I would have liked to see them put up more of a fight, get hurt, retreat, attack again, kill an Alien then get killed by a second one, cause I understand that 3 Predators went in but only one would stay alive to the end and then he'll die too.
I just would have liked the fights to be more even...
The difference betveen a Andersons teen-pred, a young hunter and a sesoned hunter if they were to be attacked by an alien, Would be something like this:
Andersons teen-pred would walk inside the room in a pyramid used to "give birth" to aliens without being alert, because of that he'll get killed quick, his clan mate would see it happen and leave his spear behind and charge the alien, tackle it and try to fight it on the ground...
A lone young predator would grab his spear and throw it, killing the alien only to be attacked by the second one while he was unarmed and meet his doom while he was trying to get it off him.
The sesoned hunter or a predator that would/could survive the rite of passage would impale the first alien as it jumped at him, he would then throw it to the side, still holding on to his spear so he could counter the attack from a second one the same way...
He wouldn't let go off his most important weapon, even if he had a plasma caster...that close it would do more damage than good.
All I'm saying is that AVP favored the Aliens and AVP:R favored the Predator.
But AVP:R was worse on both creatures and it went really hard on the Alien, I totaly understand if an Alien fan can't stand to see that movie. And it wasn't a misstake from the directors, they even giggled on how the Alien fans would react on the sewer scene.
I think that Anderson tried to give the " Predator" the respect it deserves, but he didn't really "feel" the creature,
maybe he was more into the Aliens.
I can't say that about the brothers, they did this movie only because the creatures are "cool",
what makes the creatures "cool",
Well, they didn't have a clue and didn't care to find out.
I like how Wolf looks and it's the only positive thing I can say about the movie.
QuoteWhy should a Predator be any lesser, in AVP they started out deadly then they just lost it as soon they entered the pyramid.
I'd hardly call toasting a bunch of drillers while invisible, in the dark, who never knew what hit them as "deadly" in any sort of fair sense.
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 01:20:20 AM
QuoteWhy should a Predator be any lesser, in AVP they started out deadly then they just lost it as soon they entered the pyramid.
I'd hardly call toasting a bunch of drillers while invisible, in the dark, who never knew what hit them as "deadly" in any sort of fair sense.
But that's how they "Hunt", it's been shown in previous movies...
The prey is often unaware that it's being hunted and whan it finds out it's often to late, It's fair to say that it makes them deadly.
And some of these "drillers" were armed, I think they were Waylands security or paid soldiers.
When they found out that something was wrong then it was already to late, they didn't have time to react in the confusion.
In Aliens when the marines first encounters the Aliens the scene is played out pretty much the same way, Ripley told them about the Alien she encountered, she tried to convince them on how deadly it was, still they didn't know what the f**k hit'em and when they did, it was already too late.
That scene alone in Aliens talks about how deadly the Alien is...
Even if it hid within the walls, takeing the marines who didn't see it, not off guard but by surprise.
It's not only the claws, tail and acid blood that makes the alien dangerous, it's how it works to take you down.
It's the same with the Predator.
The point you seem to be making, however is that they seem deadly when they're up against a bunch of noobs, but then don't seem deadly against a bunch of Aliens - as if it's inconsistent. Which it isn't.
Quote from: SM on Feb 13, 2011, 10:18:24 PM
AvP at least had a reason for Predators with lesser skills - it was an initiation; they weren't seasoned hunters.
Which should've set off alarm bells somewhere - does an audience want to see Predators that aren't as good hunters as the ones in previous flicks?
I know these were not experienced Predators, but if the predators see the Aliens as the most dangerous game, then why would they have inexperienced teenagers go unarmed to hunt Aliens? I think that is so dumb. Should be the other way around.
Because killing an Alien is some rite of passage - why would experienced Predators be doing a rite of passage?
The experienced ones sit on the ship and go "f**k that noise!"
And then let an Alien on board...
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 02:27:57 AM
The point you seem to be making, however is that they seem deadly when they're up against a bunch of noobs, but then don't seem deadly against a bunch of Aliens - as if it's inconsistent. Which it isn't.
No, I think you are missing the whole picture with my point.
Maybe you seen Anderson silvas latest fights (UFC)?
Well, some time ago he met a wrestler and he was losing the fight, right untill the final round when he got the guy in a submission and he tapped.
Now, If you skip the first rounds and watch the fight from it's final round when it goes to the ground and he gets his submission win, it would look like that the wrestler didn't preform well at all, he took his opponent to the ground and there he was submitted, the fight ended faster than it should, that's how I feel when I'm watching AVP, their kills feel rushed and it's like you are watching a different creature...something is missing,
Maybe the part where the guy showed the world that A.Silva can be taken down to the ground and get beaten for 4 rounds.
Chopper and Celtic died to fast once they entered the pyramid...we missed out on their 4 rounds before they lost to the alien..
And one big point is that the Predators knew what they were faceing, they came from a clan that have hunted the aliens in this pyramid and others like it once every 100 years for 1000's of years.
They must have known how the alien works, how to kill it and how to not being killed by it cause there have been Predators before them who have done it plenty of times and even before that they helped the humans build these pyramids with an Alien queen planted inside them. Them winning is the plan.
It's a rite of passage, it's from there they become Hunters like Anytime and Pussyface.
Becomeing a hunter is the goal.
And they don't enter the pyramid like Lex or the rest of the group, not knowing what's waiting for them inside.
I know all about Aliens - doesn't mean I could kill one in close combat.
The Predators knowing what they're up against clearly means nothing. Especially when robbed of their long range energy weapons.
But on the other hand, for what was supposed to be an action film it woulda been nice if there was a much more versing - which woulda meant the Predators living longer.
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 05:21:39 AM
But on the other hand, for what was supposed to be an action film it woulda been nice if there was a much more versing - which woulda meant the Predators living longer.
Or if Anderson kept the 5 Predators that were originally supposed to be in the movie instead of shortening it to just 3. What happened to the other 2 again?
Hey died in the first fight
Huh? ???
They.
They died in the first fight.
Their entire role is to walk in, see the carnage left by Grid, then promptly get slaughtered and face-raped between them. The end.
No, I wasn't talking about Celtic and Chopper, I was talking about Predators 4 and 5.
Quote from: SM on Feb 14, 2011, 04:32:43 AM
Because killing an Alien is some rite of passage - why would experienced Predators be doing a rite of passage?
The experienced ones sit on the ship and go "f**k that noise!"
And then let an Alien on board...
Because They consider Aliens the most dangerous game.
Why not hunt humans for a rights of passage. The whole right of passage concept is dumb. It should of been the most successful and experienced Predators that earn a right to hunt the deadliest game.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 05:24:53 PM
No, I wasn't talking about Celtic and Chopper, I was talking about Predators 4 and 5.
I think Anderson did not have a big enough budget for five.
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
The fact they had the get their plasma caster in the pyramid (and aren't alreday equipped with). Is some kind a hint (for me) that they were young preds.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2Fpicture002.jpg&hash=8cc8473850cbc4849afa6572125874a6adaf4cbe)
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 14, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture002.jpg
I like that.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 14, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture002.jpg
I
love you!
The last part of the quote, though, is slightly unfair.
No one can kill Danny Glover. Except 2012.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 14, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture002.jpg
^Given the fact how he is talking about Predator 2 ,I don't think that Omega gonna like this.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2011, 09:51:32 PM
^Given the fact how he is talking about Predator 2 ,I don't think that Omega gonna like this.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:49:57 PM
I love you!
:laugh:
QuoteThe last part of the quote, though, is slightly unfair. No one can kill Danny Glover. Except 2012.
I know, but it's a joke, I'll let it slide :D
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 14, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture002.jpg
So the Predators in AVP
are somewhat skilled. This makes them more advanced than Pussyface.
In theory. But I think presentation works wonders for P2, and it's a retcon, essentially.
And what in the film, exactly, suggests that they aren't skilled?
Hey, I still think 'Ghost' is the creme of them all, but AvP Predators ain't no noobs. Celtic held himself against an Alien.
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 14, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture002.jpg
So the Predators in AVP are somewhat skilled. This makes them more advanced than Pussyface.
That makes their pityfull screen time even more painful
But (maybe predxeno would find an answer) why did they have to get their Plasma caster once in the pyramid, and not immedialty equipped them with those (in the spaceship)
Pussyface had a plasma caster (anytime also) despite being a shitty noob as seems to say Paul Anderson
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
That's what Sebastian used to say (in my french AvP version) to Lex after he described the flashback
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2011, 10:04:13 PM
why did they have to get their Plasma caster once in the pyramid, and not immedialty equipped them with those (in the spaceship)
Becoming an Elder is far from nothing. You have to achieve it.
Also it was unexpected. If you notice, the moment the casters were extracted, the eggs got in the chamber. The Predators wouldn't have got any damage anyways. Probably those three casters were cerimonial casters or something.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2011, 10:04:13 PM
why did they have to get their Plasma caster once in the pyramid, and not immedialty equipped them with those (in the spaceship)
Becoming an Elder is far from nothing. You have to achieve it.
Also it was unexpected. If you notice, the moment the casters were extracted, the eggs got in the chamber. The Predators wouldn't have got any damage anyways. Probably those three casters were cerimonial casters or something.
That's also a possible explanations
Still becoming almost an Elder & being equipped with PC caster during this ritual at the same time. Seems a bite strange, i mean if you're about to become an Elder (which is far from nothing as you said) i thougt the challenge would be more "spicy"
It time to show who is the best , what they are really capable of.
The fact they are so heavily protected (huge armor), equipped with PC, and still have dangerous lack.
Like Celtic being incredibly cooky and careless (that should have already kill him, during previous hunts.) against Grid and also against a human (after being shot an uncloaked by a desert eagle shot). Rush at an armed human in straight line isn't a smart thing to do (even more when you're supposed to be experienced)
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2011, 10:04:13 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 14, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture002.jpg
So the Predators in AVP are somewhat skilled. This makes them more advanced than Pussyface.
That makes their pityfull screen time even more painful
But (maybe predxeno would find an answer) why did they have to get their Plasma caster once in the pyramid, and not immedialty equipped them with those (in the spaceship)
Pussyface had a plasma caster (anytime also) despite being a shitty noob as seems to say Paul Anderson
Why weren't the Predators equipped with plasmacasters before entering the pyramid? Easy. Culture. It's tradition to take the plasmacasters from the sarcophagous, not doing so would violate the tradition and perhaps the Predator culture and honor system as well and you know what Predators are with honor.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
That would be dumb man.
They probably would have been hunting all their lives.
This rite of passage hunt would be a specific challenge that their years of practice would get them through.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 10:30:00 PM
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Feb 14, 2011, 10:04:13 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:54:49 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 14, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
For all we know, as I keep saying, the Predators in 'AvP' could be the social stage just before the 'Elder' Predator. The data given is not enough to prove that they're 'youngsters', only that they're 'warriors that have to mark themselves'. We don't know for what, though. Hey, Chopper's skulls up there suggest he's been sporting before.
I don't like AVP at all, Omega, but I like you, you're Aaaaaa-okay, so this is for you:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture002.jpg
So the Predators in AVP are somewhat skilled. This makes them more advanced than Pussyface.
That makes their pityfull screen time even more painful
But (maybe predxeno would find an answer) why did they have to get their Plasma caster once in the pyramid, and not immedialty equipped them with those (in the spaceship)
Pussyface had a plasma caster (anytime also) despite being a shitty noob as seems to say Paul Anderson
Why weren't the Predators equipped with plasmacasters before entering the pyramid? Easy. Culture. It's tradition to take the plasmacasters from the sarcophagous, not doing so would violate the tradition and perhaps the Predator culture and honor system as well and you know what Predators are with honor.
I would say rules not honor
Your explanation can is good. But It doesn't explain why such skilled preds have the possibility (almost the obligation) to use their plasma casters. When they have to prove their skills (an Elder level skill apparently)
Why would they have the right to wear such armor , if they are that good (they have to prove they are super warrior level). And finally how such cooky and careless preds (iespecially Celtic, Chopper also) could have reach such level without getting kill during their hunts (i mean celtic died by making the same mistake than pussyface)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 14, 2011, 10:06:11 PM
Becoming an Elder is far from nothing. You have to achieve it.
Also it was unexpected. If you notice, the moment the casters were extracted, the eggs got in the chamber. The Predators wouldn't have got any damage anyways. Probably those three casters were cerimonial casters or something.
Yet Scar blasted away happily once he got a hold of his.
Quote from: samoht on Feb 14, 2011, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
That would be dumb man.
They probably would have been hunting all their lives.
This rite of passage hunt would be a specific challenge that their years of practice would get them through.
What I meant was this would be their first
important hunt. The other hunts were so small, they weren't worth noting.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 15, 2011, 03:16:38 AM
Quote from: samoht on Feb 14, 2011, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
That would be dumb man.
They probably would have been hunting all their lives.
This rite of passage hunt would be a specific challenge that their years of practice would get them through.
What I meant was this would be their first important hunt. The other hunts were so small, they weren't worth noting.
Thats what I thought as well because of the flashback scene and Sebastian reading the hieroglyphics .
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 15, 2011, 03:07:00 AM
Yet Scar blasted away happily once he got a hold of his.
Goal of the ritual is to mark yourself and survive the beasts. How, is your matter.
I was commenting on the fact that you said the casters were "ritual". To me, ritual means the item isn't practical and is only there for display purposes.
Ritual as in 'made for the ritual', kind of like a certain, sacred weapon exclusive of this rite of passage.
I used to think giving them caster should've been a reward AFTER the hunt, and that it was dumb to issue them in order to start the hunt.
However, in the grand scheme of things I believe the casters are to stop the Alien spreading beyond the temple. ie. You need to fight one hand to hand to 'pass', but shooting any excess Aliens is within the rules.
But there's nothing stopping them from shooting the alien in the temple then ripping of a finger and blooding themselves.
If the Predators have them little portable hologramy things to track the humans, I'm sure the dudes on the ship would be able to tell if they just shot them or not.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
and then they graduate to hunting humans? doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 16, 2011, 01:01:43 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
and then they graduate to hunting humans? doesn't make any sense.
That's the logic used in the AVP Prey novel. I loved the book, but I hated that part of it. Humans should be simple prey, with Aliens, Stickmen, etc. being more advanced.
agreed. a commando with a machine gun might be dangerous but not when you're camping twenty feet in the air with an autotracking bazooka and you're invisible
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 16, 2011, 01:01:43 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
and then they graduate to hunting humans? doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, I like to think that they did the ritual so that they may start a clan of their own if they were successful. And it would also link with the trophy room seen in P2, that alien skull would then have belonged to the elder...
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Feb 16, 2011, 01:01:43 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 14, 2011, 09:57:53 PM
I thought the AVP Predators were teenagers and the pyramid ritual would be their very first hunt.
and then they graduate to hunting humans? doesn't make any sense.
But they obviously can kill humans, they slaughtered all the drillers up top.
Yes. And Chopper has some old skulls mounted on his back through pogo sticks.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Yes. And Chopper has some old skulls mounted on his back through pogo sticks.
If you watch the commentary of AVP Anderson says that they are older and more experienced then the ones seen in the other films prior to AVP. So they definitely hunt humans before Xenomorphs.
Quote from: delsaber8 on Feb 26, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Yes. And Chopper has some old skulls mounted on his back through pogo sticks.
If you watch the commentary of AVP Anderson says that they are older and more experienced then the ones seen in the other films prior to AVP. So they definitely hunt humans before Xenomorphs.
Which makes perfect sense. The one thing I hated about AVP Prey was that they had to kill Aliens to graduate to humans.
Quote from: delsaber8 on Feb 26, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Yes. And Chopper has some old skulls mounted on his back through pogo sticks.
If you watch the commentary of AVP Anderson says that they are older and more experienced then the ones seen in the other films prior to AVP. So they definitely hunt humans before Xenomorphs.
Not sure taking Anderson's word for it is a good idea...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2011, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Feb 26, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Yes. And Chopper has some old skulls mounted on his back through pogo sticks.
If you watch the commentary of AVP Anderson says that they are older and more experienced then the ones seen in the other films prior to AVP. So they definitely hunt humans before Xenomorphs.
Not sure taking Anderson's word for it is a good idea...
True.
That's not really a bad idea.
Aliens are mega badass. Especially if you're a Predator, because they can see you without seeing and dodge your plasma blasts. They also don't give a shit how scary you are and are super nasty when it comes to fisticuffs.
If you're a Predator, most of your major advantages over other prey are rendered null. Ultimate challenge indeed.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2011, 11:50:52 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Feb 26, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 21, 2011, 06:40:59 PM
Yes. And Chopper has some old skulls mounted on his back through pogo sticks.
If you watch the commentary of AVP Anderson says that they are older and more experienced then the ones seen in the other films prior to AVP. So they definitely hunt humans before Xenomorphs.
Not sure taking Anderson's word for it is a good idea...
Yup
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 02, 2011, 08:41:22 PM
That's not really a bad idea.
Aliens are mega badass. Especially if you're a Predator, because they can see you without seeing and dodge your plasma blasts. They also don't give a shit how scary you are and are super nasty when it comes to fisticuffs.
If you're a Predator, most of your major advantages over other prey are rendered null. Ultimate challenge indeed.
Dodge the shots? Didn't work so well for about 6 or so aliens blasted off the ceiling.
And worked perfectly well for however many others weren't blasted.
I never said it was a sure thing, but Aliens can dodge those plasma blasts if they're on the ball.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2011, 11:12:57 PM
Didn't work so well for about 6 or so aliens blasted off the ceiling.
Three.
The Grid-Alien perfectly showed what Alex tried to say, though.
Grid reaffirms that the Aliens are not just unintelligent "bugs" by sneaking up on Chopper, dodging the plasma shots on the ceiling, waiting for the right moment after the net melted to lunge at Celtic, etc. He is also a good boy who listens to his momma ;D.
One Alien out of how many though. The bug concept began with Cameron.
The insectoid features were first referenced by the Alien team. Cameron just knew about that and expanded on it a bit. It was the comic writers licking Cameron's balls that took it over the edge.
And considering that Scar fires a lot of blasts and kills about three or four Aliens, I'd say that dodging those plasma blasts wasn't too difficult. Especially since they know what's coming. To compound our point, one Alien was dodging bullets in Alien: Resurrection. At close range.
I mean, c'mon, dude. The plasma caster obviously blows them to bits really effectively, but there's nothing saying that it's a surefire hit in the first place. It's not like human beings have never evaded it, and Aliens are far more agile. A Predator just can't look at an Alien from long range and go "kerbang, you're dead". The shot has to be well-considered and well-timed. That's not always possible.
The whole scenario of one Predator taking down multiple Aliens with ease on a regular basis is a f**kup by hack writers who just wanted to have the next Aliens on their hands without understanding jack shit. That the only reason this crossover exists. If the concept was handled intelligently from day one, no-one would ever have this debate 'cause the false impression that Aliens will sit around and allow their asses to be kicked would never have taken root.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 04, 2011, 12:11:49 AM
The insectoid features were first referenced by the Alien team. Cameron just knew about that and expanded on it a bit. It was the comic writers licking Cameron's balls that took it over the edge.
Damn straight. The comics annoy me to no end. There was a video on the BD for an Aliens attarction, and it's "bugs this" and "bugs that." The whole bughunt reference in Aliens went totally over their heads. Feckin' EU ...
Feckin' Morse in Alien3...
Quote from: SM on Mar 04, 2011, 12:41:46 AM
Feckin' Morse in Alien3...
:laugh: Funny how many people
don't notice that. But I forgave Morse, he's a charmer.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Mar 04, 2011, 12:11:49 AM
The insectoid features were first referenced by the Alien team. Cameron just knew about that and expanded on it a bit. It was the comic writers licking Cameron's balls that took it over the edge.
And considering that Scar fires a lot of blasts and kills about three or four Aliens, I'd say that dodging those plasma blasts didn't too difficult. Especially since they know what's coming. To compound our point, one Alien was dodging bullets in Alien: Resurrection. At close range.
I mean, c'mon, dude. The plasma caster obviously blows them to bits really effectively, but there's nothing saying that it's a surefire hit in the first place. It's not like human beings have never evaded it, and Aliens are far more agile. A Predator just can't look at an Alien from long range and go "kerbang, you're dead". The shot has to be well-considered and well-timed. That's not always possible.
The whole scenario of one Predator taking down multiple Aliens with ease on a regular basis is a f**kup by hack writers who just wanted to have the next Aliens on their hands without understanding jack shit. That the only reason this crossover exists. If the concept was handled intelligently from day one, no-one would ever have this debate 'cause the false impression that Aliens will sit around and allow their asses to be kicked would never have taken root.
Agreed. I think its fairly safe to say the caster is fairly useless at long rang for humans, and especially for xeno. The only way to use it effectively is at close-mid range (just not
too close)
Why would it be useless at long range? If the target is standing still - like Blain - they're deaded.
True that. But Blaine wasn't exactly long range either.
If the target isn't moving, the range could be extremely long and it wouldn't matter.
Well theres that. If a xeno gets pegged from long range for sitting on its hands, well, natural selection...
Quote from: Ghostface on Mar 04, 2011, 04:47:55 AM
Well theres that. If a xeno gets pegged from long range for sitting on its hands, well, natural selection...
Well , if the xeno isn't awared the pred presence , the shot can be done at very long range without problem
+ the plamsa caster isn't the only pred range weapon option . He also has his speargun (P2), wrist plasma launcher (P2), and i think that even his head seeking disk could be used (not 100% about long range effectivness)
^ Don't forget the Shuriken! Would environmental variables have an adverse effect the plasma shot in terms of speed and distance? For example, Anytime had no trouble firing quick shots in the jungle heat but it seemed (to me) that Scar's plasma shots were a little slower in the Arctic temperature. Maybe the reaction of the plasma bolt is not as quick to discharge or possibly loses it's speed in the colder temperatures.
...So there lives a Neo from the matrix within each Alien cause one dodged bullets in Ailien: RE and the other managed to dodge plasma bolts in AVP... so what about the several other Aliens who have been killed by the same type of attack, did they choose not to move cause they were playing chicken race with a bullet or plasma bolt...WTF, the Alien is one dangerous creature, so scary that a bullet or a plasma bolt would find away around it to avoid confrontation... Them dodging bullets are random at best, from whatever distance, it's an Alien, not Chuck Norris. Them dodging shots is as regular as a Predator dodging head bites...
Quote from: Milan on Mar 04, 2011, 05:31:19 PM
...So there lives a Neo from the matrix within each Alien cause one dodged bullets in Ailien: RE and the other managed to dodge plasma bolts in AVP... so what about the several other Aliens who have been killed by the same type of attack, did they choose not to move cause they were playing chicken race with a bullet or plasma bolt...WTF, the Alien is one dangerous creature, so scary that a bullet or a plasma bolt would find away around it to avoid confrontation... Them dodging bullets are random at best, from whatever distance, it's an Alien, not Chuck Norris. Them dodging shots is as regular as a Predator dodging head bites...
I would also had that 5/6 of joner's shot were completly missed (no matter if the alien moved or not).
+ the "micro-grenade"s shot by joner have a speed that can't not even be compared with regular bullet (they are incredibly slow. The projectils are even visible at such short range!).
I agree the projectils were fast , but not comparable with regualr rounds.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Mar 04, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
^ Don't forget the Shuriken! Would environmental variables have an adverse effect the plasma shot in terms of speed and distance? For example, Anytime had no trouble firing quick shots in the jungle heat but it seemed (to me) that Scar's plasma shots were a little slower in the Arctic temperature. Maybe the reaction of the plasma bolt is not as quick to discharge or possibly loses it's speed in the colder temperatures.
Don't worry i didn't forget ;)
About the plasma bolt speed. I could make a "predxeno like theory" (it means pretty complex) ;D
The plasma bolt (plasma being an gas ionized to a hight temperature) is stabilized into a bolt shape by an electomagnetic field (if i remember well, Blain's study of the yautja)
Given the AvP confrontation is in Antarctica, then the magnetic activity is completly different ( than Anytime's jungle) and could affect the plasma bolt in some ways , like his speed.
Just a theory nothing serious. ;D
Well, my theory is that there are different types of Predator plasmacasters; similar to there being different types of hand guns, automatic weapons, knives, etc.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Mar 04, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
^ Don't forget the Shuriken! Would environmental variables have an adverse effect the plasma shot in terms of speed and distance? For example, Anytime had no trouble firing quick shots in the jungle heat but it seemed (to me) that Scar's plasma shots were a little slower in the Arctic temperature. Maybe the reaction of the plasma bolt is not as quick to discharge or possibly loses it's speed in the colder temperatures.
I don't see why temperature would affect the speed of the shot. A bullet fires at the same speed anywhere in the world.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2011, 10:25:28 PM
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Mar 04, 2011, 04:48:46 PM
^ Don't forget the Shuriken! Would environmental variables have an adverse effect the plasma shot in terms of speed and distance? For example, Anytime had no trouble firing quick shots in the jungle heat but it seemed (to me) that Scar's plasma shots were a little slower in the Arctic temperature. Maybe the reaction of the plasma bolt is not as quick to discharge or possibly loses it's speed in the colder temperatures.
I don't see why temperature would affect the speed of the shot. A bullet fires at the same speed anywhere in the world.
Well about the plasma caster , i made supposition about the magnetic activity of Antarctica (see my post above)
But about bullets , if you're a long range shooter, then the temperature (and humidity) have a pretty important action toward the projectil trajectory (more humidity you have and more vertical drop you have, if i remember well)
And have also a very improtant action toward the powder detonation, that means that at different temperatures you have different speeds (not huge , but must be notcied for long range shooters) with exactly the same loads
Maybe it has something to do with their gear being used for the first time with the plasma caster who haven't been fired for a 100 years, they might need to work it for some time so that they can get the most out of its performance, much like a car engine that's new or haven't been used for a while...
First of all lets get this straight, alot of people hate on the AVP series and I voted for AVP.
AVP has a queen, good alien and predator designs, didn't like the story that much and the acting was ok.
AVP:R has a PredAlien (yawn), weird alien designs (in my opinion) didn't get the story what soo ever, and only sending one Predator to Earth and the little girl who says like 3 lines in whole film.
Nuff, said.
Quote from: ScottishXeno on Mar 06, 2011, 02:21:53 AM
First of all lets get this straight, alot of people hate on the AVP series and I voted for AVP.
AVP has a queen, good alien and predator designs, didn't like the story that much and the acting was ok.
AVP:R has a PredAlien (yawn), weird alien designs (in my opinion) didn't get the story what soo ever, and only sending one Predator to Earth and the little girl who says like 3 lines in whole film.
Nuff, said.
It's pretty easy to understand.
Quote from: DarkenedWolf on Mar 06, 2011, 04:32:37 AM
Quote from: ScottishXeno on Mar 06, 2011, 02:21:53 AM
First of all lets get this straight, alot of people hate on the AVP series and I voted for AVP.
AVP has a queen, good alien and predator designs, didn't like the story that much and the acting was ok.
AVP:R has a PredAlien (yawn), weird alien designs (in my opinion) didn't get the story what soo ever, and only sending one Predator to Earth and the little girl who says like 3 lines in whole film.
Nuff, said.
It's pretty easy to understand.
Yeah, what part of the story did you not get?
The AVP Predator designs aren't as bad as everyone says but AVP Predator Designs < AVPR Predator Designs
Though in the case of the Xenos AVP Alien Designs > AVPR Alien Designs
Quote from: ScottishXeno on Mar 06, 2011, 02:21:53 AM
AVP has a queen, good alien and predator designs
You might want to get the eye problem checked.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Mar 18, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
Quote from: ScottishXeno on Mar 06, 2011, 02:21:53 AM
AVP has a queen, good alien and predator designs
You might want to get the eye problem checked.
The only Predator Design I didn't like was Chopper. The rest weren't that bad.
Quote from: Ghost Rider on Mar 18, 2011, 02:48:38 PM
The only Predator Design I didn't like was Chopper. The rest weren't that bad.
Personally I thought Celtic was the only passable predator in the film, the others just had no character or interesting, defined look.
Scar's face was just plain bullshit. The basic design wasn't awful, but the poorly animated mandibles & fake looking expressions just killed it.
Continuing from the other thread
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2011, 03:59:54 AM
Dunno about that. Though it at least looked better.
One thing I will grant AvP:Poo is there's a couple of nice CG Alien shots in the sewers. Undermined utterly seconds later by the shonkiest looking and performed rubber suits committed to celluloid in decades.
Well what I meant is that AVP looks like a big, grand expensive blockbuster with its story about expedition to Antarctica, underground pyramids, Queen and all those great sets etc, while AVPR looks like a direct to video cheap and corny teen B horror.
Yeah. But I'd stop at "looks expensive". Which it did. Every other aspect was somewhere between meh and stupid.
I think it also had a very good concept for a story of an expedition of people going to such remote and hostile place like Antarctica, and there being trapped underground in a pyramid with aliens and a queen. I like that. AND as I often say, it had an admirable attempt at buildup and didnt show a thing until 40m minutes into the movie if not more
The idea of putting it somewhere out of the way was a good one. But like nearly everything the execution was lacking.
And the build up with boring characters and no tension is a waste of time.
AVP was the worst adaptation of At The Mountains of Madness readily concievable, and I'll leave it at that.
At The Little Island (That's Supposedly Near Antarctica But Not Really) Of Mild Annoyance.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2011, 05:05:35 AM
The idea of putting it somewhere out of the way was a good one. But like nearly everything the execution was lacking.
And the build up with boring characters and no tension is a waste of time.
Thats why I said admirable
attempt. Overall I had fun watching it in theaters and I was into it untill a certain point of the movie. I think the first AVP is passable, but it changes into cartoon once Grid and Celtic start to fight, but before that it had its moments and as I said, I dig the whole expedition to Antarctica concept, then theres Lance and stuff from the first AVP comic which I really like and it follows a formula of the first 2 alien movies - long buildup, the setting turns into dust by the end, double ending
Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.
Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'. Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear. Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created. In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies. Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.
It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2011, 06:01:26 AM
Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.
Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'. Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear. Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created. In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies. Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.
It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".
:D
Why would you label Weyland as ruthless? He wasn't a vicious person.
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2011, 06:01:26 AM
Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.
Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'. Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear. Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created. In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies. Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.
It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".
What an excellent analysis. Great points, always felt it; never been able to express it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2011, 06:01:26 AM
Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.
Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'. Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear. Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created. In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies. Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.
It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".
:D
Why would you label Weyland as ruthless? He wasn't a vicious person.
He is (ruthless (mostly) that is, bit of a difference from vicious) until he has that little talk with Lex about her father, which is the only moment of any decent character development in the whole flick. Before that he may as well have been going "Velcome to my lair, bwahahaha!"
Nah, I never got any feeling of benevolence from Weyland
Eh? He sacrificed himself to buy Lex and Sebastian time.
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2011, 04:18:41 AM
Eh? He sacrificed himself to buy Lex and Sebastian time.
Dang it, I meant malevolence!
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2011, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2011, 08:55:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Apr 13, 2011, 06:01:26 AM
Problem is it barely qualfies as an attempt.
Anderson just said 'Alright, nothing really happens in Alien and Aliens until at least the 45 minute mark, so that's what I'll do'. Problem was he neglected what was actually going on in Alien and Aliens before they kick into gear. Relationships are established and tension and mystery are created. In AvP, we find out Weyland is a (mostly) ruthless rich dude, Lex is an OH&S nazi, Exposition Boy is Exposition Boy, Miller is a socially retarded dweeb, and the drillers are obnoxious bullies. Everything they say to each other has little or no consequence, and the constant cutaways to the Alien Queen and Predators remove any sort of mystery and tension.
It not miles away from JPJ studying the cutting in Hollywood action films when preparing for Resurrection instead of saying "Maybe theres a bit too much yacking and not enough Aliens in some of these scenes".
:D
Why would you label Weyland as ruthless? He wasn't a vicious person.
He is (ruthless (mostly) that is, bit of a difference from vicious) until he has that little talk with Lex about her father, which is the only moment of any decent character development in the whole flick. Before that he may as well have been going "Velcome to my lair, bwahahaha!"
Not like he was forcing anyone to be there.
Not seeing a connection.
I like AVP:R better simply because i liked the fast pace plot, AVP was just rubbish.
Quote from: SM on Apr 16, 2011, 07:41:59 AM
Not seeing a connection.
Weyland didn't force anyone to go with him, and just because being kinda emotionless or focusing only on his task (together with kinda everyone on the expedition) and interest, he is not ruthless. And btw he sacrificed himself for Sebastian and Lex. Also I'd say he was pretty much right, the whole find was worth the risk, and even knowing I can die I would have gone with him.
Err, yes. I know. I said as much previously.
QuoteHe is (ruthless (mostly) that is, bit of a difference from vicious) until he has that little talk with Lex about her father, which is the only moment of any decent character development in the whole flick. Before that he may as well have been going "Velcome to my lair, bwahahaha!"
He comes across as ruthless early, but shows he's slightly more than one dimensional when he talks to Lex. Miller does the same with Verheiden later on. Every other bugger is a boring cardboard cutout though.
I'm still not seeing it. Just because he gathers everyone for a meeting and he happens to be standing 40 feet above them makes him ruthless?
No, jeopardising everyone's safety by hiring a cold weather expert then ignoring her advice, then ignoring the same advice from two other guys, and hiring a rookie instead, marks him as ruthless.
^Or reckless
Or both.
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2011, 11:55:43 PM
No, jeopardising everyone's safety by hiring a cold weather expert then ignoring her advice, then ignoring the same advice from two other guys, and hiring a rookie instead, marks him as ruthless.
Ruthless sounds to me like the wrong word to use. It's heavy. Reckless does sound better.
He didn't think he was being reckless. He has a succeed at all costs mentality.
He may not have thought it, but he was.
To an outside observer who is well aware that he's walking into a situation where he'll be surrounded by Aliens and Predators duking it out. Yeah he'd seem pretty reckless.
Lex's job was to get them from the Piper Maru to the whaling camp, and then back again. Which was a freaking doddle, since she sat in the Hagglunds with everyone else.
Though why the Maru didn't anchor in a natural harbour like where the whaling camp would've been, seems kinda dumb.
lol, I think both movies had shit character development
AvP had a better setting, no doubt about that
no one wanted to see aliens and predators in small town USA. I still remember when I first heard the rumours about AvP-R being set in a small present day town, I thought it was a bad joke
my guess is that most alien fans like AvP and most predator fans like AvP-R. Both movies sucked, but AvP-R was more entertaining as a popcorn action flick whereas AvP had a better setting.
AVP:R had crappy character development because the movie wasn't about the characters. They had to be there because you can't just make a film about two monsters fighting.
I mean, none of the Godzilla films I've seen have had Big G just battling other Kaiju. There's always some dopey Japanese people running around.
I enjoyed AVP:R. It's a big step down from Alien and Aliens of course but then again, the franchise fell down a flight of stairs with 33 and broke every bone in its body with Resurrection. So a step down isn't that bad.
Quote from: Nikkolas on May 30, 2011, 09:51:37 AM
AVP:R had crappy character development because the movie wasn't about the characters. They had to be there because you can't just make a film about two monsters fighting.
I mean, none of the Godzilla films I've seen have had Big G just battling other Kaiju. There's always some dopey Japanese people running around.
I enjoyed AVP:R. It's a big step down from Alien and Aliens of course but then again, the franchise fell down a flight of stairs with 33 and broke every bone in its body with Resurrection. So a step down isn't that bad.
If Alien 3 was the franchise falling down a flight of stairs then AVP-R was the franchise jumping into a river and drowning. Alien movies were always about characters until the abomination that was Requiem. As bad as most of the characters in the first AVP were you at least felt the film makers were attempting to develop them. In Rectum, the characters were made to die, like a Friday the 13th style B movie.
And that's what's wrong with Requiem, it was a B movie.
A zero is better than a negative number.
Trying and failing to make a compelling story is worse than anything esee you could do.
After AVP came out a sycophantic complaint of many was that it was too much emphasis on the human element. And given the fact the movie was called, ya know, Alien vs. Predator, that complaint is fully justified. The brothers thus gave us a film where a Predaor fought some Aliens.
I was satisfied but maybe my standards were lowered after the first AVP.
And if you think Resurrection was a better film because of its amazing focus on the characters and their plot...well, to each their own. But I can't fatom saying Resurrection is better than anything in any category.
He was talking about Resurrection, not A3. A3 was the beginning of the end as far as I'm concerned. It was entertaining but it wasn't a film that needed to be made.
I believe he was talking about "33" but i can't quite make heads or tails what film that would be referring too. I guess A3 is as good a guess as any. It would represent the fall, whereas AR would represent the breaking of all it's bones. It's like a twofer :laugh:
Yes, "33" is Aliens 3. Sorry about that. Apparently my edit didn't go through.
Quote from: Nikkolas on May 30, 2011, 08:41:31 PM
Yes, "33" is Aliens 3. Sorry about that. Apparently my edit didn't go through.
It's all good :)
QuoteAfter AVP came out a sycophantic complaint of many was that it was too much emphasis on the human element. And given the fact the movie was called, ya know, Alien vs. Predator, that complaint is fully justified.
Can a complaint be both sycophantic and fully justified?
Either way AvP's main problem was the lack of versing rather than the human element (which was also pissweak).
Quote from: Nikkolas on May 30, 2011, 07:38:39 PM
A zero is better than a negative number.
Trying and failing to make a compelling story is worse than anything esee you could do.
After AVP came out a sycophantic complaint of many was that it was too much emphasis on the human element. And given the fact the movie was called, ya know, Alien vs. Predator, that complaint is fully justified. The brothers thus gave us a film where a Predaor fought some Aliens.
I was satisfied but maybe my standards were lowered after the first AVP.
And if you think Resurrection was a better film because of its amazing focus on the characters and their plot...well, to each their own. But I can't fatom saying Resurrection is better than anything in any category.
I am aware the film is called Alien vs Predator, that doesn't mean thats all that should be shown for 90 minutes.
I don't recall seeing any fighting in avpr, all I saw was the predator slaughtering the midgets filling in for aliens. Fight scenes can only work if both sides appear in danger. Having the pred do nothing other than kill aliens in ridiculous fashions for the whole movie gets boring very fast.
Quote from: Divpax on May 31, 2011, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: Nikkolas on May 30, 2011, 07:38:39 PM
A zero is better than a negative number.
Trying and failing to make a compelling story is worse than anything esee you could do.
After AVP came out a sycophantic complaint of many was that it was too much emphasis on the human element. And given the fact the movie was called, ya know, Alien vs. Predator, that complaint is fully justified. The brothers thus gave us a film where a Predaor fought some Aliens.
I was satisfied but maybe my standards were lowered after the first AVP.
And if you think Resurrection was a better film because of its amazing focus on the characters and their plot...well, to each their own. But I can't fatom saying Resurrection is better than anything in any category.
I am aware the film is called Alien vs Predator, that doesn't mean thats all that should be shown for 90 minutes.
I don't recall seeing any fighting in avpr, all I saw was the predator slaughtering the midgets filling in for aliens. Fight scenes can only work if both sides appear in danger. Having the pred do nothing other than kill aliens in ridiculous fashions for the whole movie gets boring very fast.
the predator killed humans too... :-\
and it got killed at the end,
by the predalien
witch was a (horrible) hybrid, but still an
Alienhave no idea what movie you watched....
It got killed at the end by the nuke, besides I hardly think having an unarmed pred impaled at the end of the film (whilst killing the predalien) makes the film seem fair.
It was still one sided drivel with the whole of the movie seeming to be to have the pred "Pwning aliens".
One sidedness aside, the film itself was simply BAD. The whole cast showed no emotion whatsoever and the action scenes had such poor lighting that I couldn't see what was going on.
Quote from: Divpax on Jun 11, 2011, 01:02:15 AM
It got killed at the end by the nuke, besides I hardly think having an unarmed pred impaled at the end of the film (whilst killing the predalien) makes the film seem fair.
It was still one sided drivel with the whole of the movie seeming to be to have the pred "Pwning aliens".
One sidedness aside, the film itself was simply BAD. The whole cast showed no emotion whatsoever and the action scenes had such poor lighting that I couldn't see what was going on.
i know the acting and lighting was horrible, and that's how the makers of the film (the Strause brothers) pictured it to be, and it was still fighting, it doesn't matter if the aliens were getting killed, they were still putting up a fight, the predator got stabbed right through the chest, even if the nuke didn't drop he was still dead
Proof of stabbing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9bhuIqdtc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9bhuIqdtc#)
I would hardly call the aliens who occasionally knocked him over as putting up a fight.
Add another complaint to my endless list: That F*cking ending!
There were multiple instances in the film where an Alien could have impaled Wolf but luckily he was spared by plot convenience. I don't mind a pred killing multiple xeno throughout the film because he is a seasoned vet, but they were just lambs to the slaughter. No tension whatsoever.
Quote from: Ghostface on Jun 11, 2011, 08:45:15 AM
There were multiple instances in the film where an Alien could have impaled Wolf but luckily he was spared by plot convenience. I don't mind a pred killing multiple xeno throughout the film because he is a seasoned vet, but they were just lambs to the slaughter. No tension whatsoever.
I know what you mean it's fine to have a pred wasting xenos but they had so many opportunities to kill him that they never took imo they should have choreographed the fights much better.
If it was to be a single Pred annihilating an entire hive, he should've found the nesting place and thrown one of those implosive bom--
Wait though, why the f**k didn't they just, like... send a scout ship and destroy the whole site?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 21, 2011, 09:42:44 PM
If it was to be a single Pred annihilating an entire hive, he should've found the nesting place and thrown one of those implosive bom--
Wait though, why the f**k didn't they just, like... send a scout ship and destroy the whole site?
Why did the predator bother saving earth at all actually? If the aliens are so worth hunting then just let them take over the planet?
I hate this movie...
Quote from: Divpax on Jun 21, 2011, 09:52:46 PM
Why did the predator bother saving earth at all actually? If the aliens are so worth hunting then just let them take over the planet?
No more humans to hunt.
Are we really worth it though? The first avp made a big point of the aliens being bred purely for hunting as if they prioritise them more than humans. Doesn't make much of a difference though, your point about asking why the predators didn't just bomb the city renders the whole movie invalid.
I absolutely hated the back story to AvP. Predators were "gods" etc. What CRAP!!!!
While I think AVP was a all round better made film then AVPR, I think AVPR had a slightly better... feel to it.
The score to AVPR kicked ass over AVP. AVPR felt more like an AVP film then AVP did.
But AVP was just made better.
Quote from: stephen on Jun 22, 2011, 06:11:38 AM
The score to AVPR kicked ass over AVP.
That'd be because AvPR copied the scores for the
Alien and
Predator movies 90% of the time while AvP tried something custom. :P
i love avp. much of it sucks, the story is bad, dialogue doesnt even exist, but goddamnit i love it. i really cant explain it. its just really entertaining. especially the ending where it goes all CGI and action-y but AVP:R...
AVP:R was really dissapointing. the suits, and the action looked fake. the plot was also boring, and in the end, i felt like they didnt have anyting better to do, so they just nuked everything. i was glad that they continued the story, but the budget had to many obvious holes.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2011, 10:42:18 AM
Quote from: stephen on Jun 22, 2011, 06:11:38 AM
The score to AVPR kicked ass over AVP.
That'd be because AvPR copied the scores for the Alien and Predator movies 90% of the time while AvP tried something custom. :P
Oh I know that. Absolutely.
But the score to AVP was bland. Uninteresting and it didn't give me a sense that I was watching an AVP film.
While the score to AVPR was rehashed from the other films, I at least felt like I was watching an AVP film.
Both films have their faults - and some of those faults are pretty major. Admittedly I walked away from both films pretty pissed off actually.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2011, 10:42:18 AM
Quote from: stephen on Jun 22, 2011, 06:11:38 AM
The score to AVPR kicked ass over AVP.
That'd be because AvPR copied the scores for the Alien and Predator movies 90% of the time while AvP tried something custom. :P
I actually Prefer AvP's score over AvPr's. AvP's score felt original and was pretty decent to me.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 22, 2011, 10:42:18 AM
Quote from: stephen on Jun 22, 2011, 06:11:38 AM
The score to AVPR kicked ass over AVP.
That'd be because AvPR copied the scores for the Alien and Predator movies 90% of the time while AvP tried something custom. :P
Requiem did rely heavily on previous scores true, but Tyler's original bits were still pretty good.
Tyler's original bits were Holst's quite old bits.
Never knew that.
SM's only told you a dozen times.
When?
Every time the soundtrack's come up.
Quote from: bleau on Jun 23, 2011, 01:32:22 AM
I actually Prefer AvP's score over AvPr's. AvP's score felt original and was pretty decent to me.
I do too (my post was to be read like this 'it gives that impression because...'), it's fresh and also great, if I want to hear something great from AvPR's soundtrack I'll just listen to the Alien saga's. :P
and I love the chores in AvP's score:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwLvjbmRacw# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwLvjbmRacw#)
This track is f**king great also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEq0igEmMQ0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEq0igEmMQ0#)
Nice picks Omega. I always liked AVP ever since I saw it in theaters, but I already spoke about it many times before. In short, I enjoy cinematography, sets, return of the queen, the feel of isolation, the setting and the return of Lance
I liked the fact that, the moment FOX wanted to set it on Earth (something they wanted to do with Aliens since... Alien3) and today, Anderson cleverly decided to set the film in the most remote place of Earth. He cared for the continuity of the franchise and played it safe, putting it in a place no one would really know of.
"You can't have an Alien running around the city now, because it would've been written up and everyone will know about it. So there's nothing in this movie that contradicts anything that already exists." [His words]
Ironically enough, his words were thrown to the bin the moment AvPR was put into writing stage haha.
Yup, it was very clever. It couldve been a different planet easily, and it was as hostile as LV and Fury and as remote and deserted. Great setting too, worked great for isolation feel in The Thing and so I was and still am very pleased with Antarctica
I voted AVP:Requiem
for me avp is shit, stupid ideas, fat predators with humanized faces, what about the team up human/yautja? pg-13 >:( what the hell? why fox dont make an avp for childrens, pupetts of alien and predator dancing and singing, for kids and all the family ;D
avpr is better cause there is no Miller, patetic charactaer in my opinion, the worst of the saga, avpr have more respect with the creatures, wolf is the ultimate predator, so great, and aliens this time have acid blood not like avp when scar decapite one alien and this dont bleeding, in avpr aliens are more dangerous, they use the second mouth/tongue for kill, in avp aliens and predator are patetic and stupids, nothing have sense in avp.
avpr is R rated as it must be, avp is a kids movie like one chapter of power rangers, is the same shit
Quote from: Stans on Aug 05, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
avpr have more respect with the creatures
LOL
Quote from: Stans on Aug 05, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
avpr have more respect with ONE OF the creatures
fixed
what do you mean?
is for the aliens behavior? i dont consider stupids the aliens in avpr just for be killed by humans, the rooftop scene is the same thing like the nest scene in aliens.
Kelly and Dallas kills aliens, the same thing with Ripley in the nest, she kills a lot of aliens.
or you mean the design? thats other point ;D
Quote from: Stans on Aug 05, 2011, 03:59:15 PM
what do you mean?
is for the aliens behavior? i dont consider stupids the aliens in avpr just for be killed by humans, the rooftop scene is the same thing like the nest scene in aliens.
Kelly and Dallas kills aliens, the same thing with Ripley in the nest, she kills a lot of aliens.
or you mean the design? thats other point ;D
I meant the scenes featuring both alien and predator fighting. The first film displayed them as equal, an unstoppable force vs an immoveable object. Whereas avpr consisted of predator killing 5 1/2 foot tall aliens who didn't fight back.
Going back to your point about acid for blood, in avpr the aliens blood would only become acidic when the plot said so (IE when it goes on a human), Seriously, wolf steps on an aliens head without the acid having ANY effect. HE WAS WEARING SANDALS!
and what if the sandals of wolf are made with the same metal of shurikens, the soles of his sandals seems to be metalics.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jan 03, 2008, 01:41:23 AM
AVPR is better in my opinion because it was more action pack and the visual effects where better. The first AVP movie was bad in my opinion because it was boring and it didn't have enough scenes of both the Aliens and Predators. Most of the time in AVP was based on the human characters not the Aliens or the Predators unlike AVPR which was based on the Predators and Aliens not the Humans which was better in my opinion.
After looking back at this point, I'm going to say AVP is better. The special effects in AVP where much better, the acting was bit better which is not saying much and had better characters. At least AVP had a plot unlike AVPR which feel like a bad video game.
AvP was one big snore fest. AvP:R kept me entertained.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 05, 2011, 08:25:59 PM
AvP was one big snore fest. AvP:R kept me entertained.
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AVP left to many things out. We had Grid who didn't get a "final" fight/ death scene and he was a major player.
There wasn't enough creature fights, I would have liked to see all three predators in fights with different Aliens.
The team up was wrong...Lex killing the Alien would have made her a target not an ally.
And the Predators being worshipped as gods by humans in the past was ugly...
We don't need to copy Stargate or any other "brand" to give the "predator" background or a backstory,
They are original enough to hold their own ground.
They are hunters on earth hunting "big game" is all the background they ever need...
With AVP-R we have Wolf who suppose to be a seasoned veteran but acts nothing like it,
The Aliens he killed had the threat level as a stoned ewok...
AVP had Predators wrestling Aliens and I don't know why on earth a director would have a creature fight play out like that, but AVP-R felt like "fixed fights"...
Still in overall I fell that AVP is the better movie.
The only good thing about AVP-R is how they made the predator look, like it's costume.
Wolf looks awesome but acts nothing like it.
Man...this is like asking if you prefer a crap sandwich or a vomit sandwich.
I can watch either one as a bad popcorn flick, but I can't give either the respect that I give the Alien and Predator movies separately. They both screw the pooch by placing events in the current day...I think that's the biggest problem.
AvP does less damage to the Alien franchise by placing the events in Antarctica, but conversely damages the Predator franchise by siphoning all the sadistic and "extraterrestrial" nature out of the Predator. We end up with hardly more than bulky (Predators are always seen to be muscular, but lean) human samurais with mandibles. Even the eyes are very human-looking.
AvP:R Does damage to the Alien franchise by placing the events in freaking middle America. The Aliens in the movie make the Jawas look like fierce warriors.
When it comes down to it, quite honestly, neither one feels like an Alien or Predator movie. They could have put any creature in there.
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Aug 10, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
AvP does less damage to the Alien franchise by placing the events in Antarctica, but conversely damages the Predator franchise by siphoning all the sadistic and "extraterrestrial" nature out of the Predator. We end up with hardly more than bulky (Predators are always seen to be muscular, but lean) human samurais with mandibles. Even the eyes are very human-looking.
yes, i can´t see the predator teaching to primitives how to build a pyramid, it makes the predator so friendly, ::) i mean they aren´t intergalactic hunters? now they are intergalactic architecture teachers? ??? that was bad, stupid idea >:(, that is the reason for i consider non-canon avp :-\
Quote from: Divpax on Aug 05, 2011, 03:13:29 PM
Quote from: Stans on Aug 05, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
avpr have more respect with the creatures
LOL
Quote from: Stans on Aug 05, 2011, 02:31:58 PM
avpr have more respect with NONE OF the creatures
fixed
Super-fixed.
Quote from: Stans on Aug 11, 2011, 07:45:08 AM
yes, i can´t see the predator teaching to primitives how to build a pyramid, it makes the predator so friendly, ::)
Predators wanted us for their game... there was nothing friendly about it.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 11, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
Quote from: Stans on Aug 11, 2011, 07:45:08 AM
yes, i can´t see the predator teaching to primitives how to build a pyramid, it makes the predator so friendly, ::)
Predators wanted us for their game... there was nothing friendly about it.
I always felt like it was out of character for the Predator...They probably stumbled up on earth while searching for suitable prey, the game has always been about the trophies, collected dureing hunting season...If they needed humans to spawn aliens, then why not drop a few eggs near a village, wait a couple of days then go hunting... If they fail then just nuke the place and start over with another village . I don't see why the aliens would spread around the world when the first Alien movie showed us that the Alien would go into some sort of hibernation when it was done killing and the second one showed us the same thing, they didn't leave the colony when they where done...it looked like that the marines woke them up and they started collecting hosts and killing again...
predators dont need build a fuking pyramid or teach to the humans to build it just for start his hunting, jungle or city hunter made pyramids for hunt? NO
and teach to the humans how to build pyramids is friendly beacuse the predator are the teacher of the humans, it means that the predators establishes comunication with the humans, cooperation in a civilized way until achieve their objective, thats not the predator way.
the only way in that idea works is the predators kidnap humans and forced to be impregnated, not a bizarre protocol to make believe to the humans that predators are gods just for convince for their sacrifice, it needs the savage way force the humans, and nothing about pyramids, the predator must hunt in natural environments, that is more logical.
Quote from: Stans on Aug 12, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
predators dont need build a fuking pyramid or teach to the humans to build it just for start his hunting, jungle or city hunter made pyramids for hunt? NO
and teach to the humans how to build pyramids is friendly beacuse the predator are the teacher of the humans, it means that the predators establishes comunication with the humans, cooperation in a civilized way until achieve their objective, thats not the predator way.
the only way in that idea works is the predators kidnap humans and forced to be impregnated, not a bizarre protocol to make believe to the humans that predators are gods just for convince for their sacrifice, it needs the savage way force the humans, and nothing about pyramids, the predator must hunt in natural environments, that is more logical.
I actually thought ti was a pretty cool concept. The pyramid was necessary, so that there would be less of a chance of Aliens escaping in the real world. If they were to hunt Aliens in the jungle, they would be risking infecting the whole planet.
And the Predators basically used the humans as slaves. Well, that and sacrifices.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 14, 2011, 12:42:34 AM
I actually thought ti was a pretty cool concept. The pyramid was necessary, so that there would be less of a chance of Aliens escaping in the real world. If they were to hunt Aliens in the jungle, they would be risking infecting the whole planet.
And the Predators basically used the humans as slaves. Well, that and sacrifices.
I wouldn't mind the pyramid as a concept, I only wish that the pyramid just was some abandoned place... A place that the humans stumbled upon while trying to flee from somekind of unseen monster, while inside they find out that the predators have used that pyramid for ages, to stage their Alien hunts. The whole backstory/history part needs to be erased...even Anderson knew it or atleast his subconscious knew it, the whole human/Predator relationship that have happened in the past but was wrong, broken and finally forgotten within the movie...
Funny...it's so bad that even the movie itself tried to forget it.
And for the Aliens to spread through the whole world...
Well, I see it like this...
If Lex was the one who ended up with the alien embryo inside her it would probably have hatched not long after the Predators had left the scene. She would die alone without a soul nearby, that Alien would leave her dead body but keep within it's territory and when it doesn't find anything living around it, it would go into hibernation until something disturbs it, maybe a search party...
... My theory is supported by the movie Alien and Aliens.
Cause we get to see "Cains son" go into hibernation when it thought it was alone, and the marines in the sequel didn't find the remains from an abandoned hive when they searched the colony on LV-426...
So them "spreading" isn't a given thing, cause they keep within their territory and when they can't find anything living within it, they don't move, they go into hibernation.
We (Humans) would likely cause the "spread", with us moveing around with an embryo inside us. But given the fact where the pyramid was found, you wouldn't get that very far cause you're pretty much out of time after being facehugged and the Alien who busted out would soon go into hibernation cause there ain't that many things to kill in that place.
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Aug 10, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
AvP does less damage to the Alien franchise by placing the events in Antarctica, but conversely damages the Predator franchise by siphoning all the sadistic and "extraterrestrial" nature out of the Predator.
How so when this idea comes from the highly praised first AVP story that was so successfull and applauded that it began the joint franchise?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 14, 2011, 12:42:34 AM
Quote from: Stans on Aug 12, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
predators dont need build a fuking pyramid or teach to the humans to build it just for start his hunting, jungle or city hunter made pyramids for hunt? NO
and teach to the humans how to build pyramids is friendly beacuse the predator are the teacher of the humans, it means that the predators establishes comunication with the humans, cooperation in a civilized way until achieve their objective, thats not the predator way.
the only way in that idea works is the predators kidnap humans and forced to be impregnated, not a bizarre protocol to make believe to the humans that predators are gods just for convince for their sacrifice, it needs the savage way force the humans, and nothing about pyramids, the predator must hunt in natural environments, that is more logical.
I actually thought ti was a pretty cool concept. The pyramid was necessary, so that there would be less of a chance of Aliens escaping in the real world. If they were to hunt Aliens in the jungle, they would be risking infecting the whole planet.
And the Predators basically used the humans as slaves. Well, that and sacrifices.
Well building such pyramids (with such content) in the middle of human population , seems a pretty dangerous concept if you want to decrease the risk of a huge infection.
I would rather choose a desertic planet , put the Queen in a secured structure and bring the 6 (or whatever the number) hosts
QuoteWell building such pyramids (with such content) in the middle of human population , seems a pretty dangerous concept if you want to decrease the risk of a huge infection.
I would rather choose a desertic planet , put the Queen in a secured structure and bring the 6 (or whatever the number) hosts
That was my thoughts as well, why not predetermine the amount of hosts/xeno's and control the situation a little better than letting it get out of hand.
Quote from: FUZION PREDATOR on Aug 24, 2011, 05:15:08 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 14, 2011, 12:42:34 AM
Quote from: Stans on Aug 12, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
predators dont need build a fuking pyramid or teach to the humans to build it just for start his hunting, jungle or city hunter made pyramids for hunt? NO
and teach to the humans how to build pyramids is friendly beacuse the predator are the teacher of the humans, it means that the predators establishes comunication with the humans, cooperation in a civilized way until achieve their objective, thats not the predator way.
the only way in that idea works is the predators kidnap humans and forced to be impregnated, not a bizarre protocol to make believe to the humans that predators are gods just for convince for their sacrifice, it needs the savage way force the humans, and nothing about pyramids, the predator must hunt in natural environments, that is more logical.
I actually thought ti was a pretty cool concept. The pyramid was necessary, so that there would be less of a chance of Aliens escaping in the real world. If they were to hunt Aliens in the jungle, they would be risking infecting the whole planet.
And the Predators basically used the humans as slaves. Well, that and sacrifices.
Well building such pyramids (with such content) in the middle of human population , seems a pretty dangerous concept if you want to decrease the risk of a huge infection.
I would rather choose a desertic planet , put the Queen in a secured structure and bring the 6 (or whatever the number) hosts
I'm starting to think the Predators wanted an outbreak at some point. Or, they didn't know/think humans would expand to all corners of the globe.
Stand alone, I think AvP was pretty good, its a leave your brain at the door and enjoy. As for AvP:R... I would've liked it had it not been for the whole towns people and the emo college age dawson's creek they had going. Its bad enough I have to deal with some stupid teenage/college drama in Transformers... I don't want to deal with it when watching xenos and pred duke it out. I also have an issue when it comes to kids getting killed, though I stopped watching up to the hospital scene.
I don't mind there being a human massacure via xenomorph, but I do mind where and who it happens to. I would have much rather it taken place like at an isolated prison (like Alien 3) or a drug lords home base or something. People getting killed you don't mind getting killed.
Mind you, thinking was the last thing I did when I watched the movies, I find not thinking makes the movies a lot more enjoyable.
AVP, definately was better than AVP:R. AVP:R was just an abomination.
AVPR was so terribly dark that it was a snore-fest; AVP kept me entertained, despite its flaws.
AVPR was good , i enjoyed it.
I thought AVP was kind of cool and "sciencey". I liked the "prophecy" feel of it, and the ancient history of the Aliens and Predators. Still not anywhere close to a classic or masterpiece though, and I can't really consider it canon. But it's still kind of a cool side-show.
Quote from: kevinh3 on Oct 08, 2011, 11:22:58 AM
AVPR was good , i enjoyed it.
So how did you feel about AVP? how do you think AVPR was better? I'd love to read an Opinion from a person who likes this film, in the past i might have overly criticized opions on this movie, but don't let my past ignorance discourage you
AvP-R is pretty cool!
Personally, I thought AVP was a very well done sci-fi action movie. Most definitely the best sci-fi action movie I seen. Between the Predator and Aliens, the Predator rivals them all. Why? simply because the Predator has more advanced weaponry to destroy anything in its path including Aliens. My favorite moment in the movie is the final battle between the Queen Alien and Predator with the mark on his mask. I don't know how the hell the director manage to capture all that on film but my god that was an amazing battle.
AVPR was this piece of crap made? I suffered through every second of it and barely paid attention at other times. I haven't seen the first AVP but now I think I'll steer clear. I honestly felt like I was watching a Sci-Fi Channel original movie. This one just has that very fake and TV feel to it. Stay away, far away.
I hated pretty much everything about this movie from the acting, to the storyline, to the horrible dialog. I hated all the characters and would have enjoyed seeing them all die on the screen. There are points in the film where it almost seems like they were going for a storyline but it gets completely muddled by the horrible action sequences and then it feels as if they just gave up. This truly is a mess.
Quote from: mastermoon on Nov 20, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Personally, I thought AVP was a very well done sci-fi action movie. Most definitely the best sci-fi action movie I seen. Between the Predator and Aliens, the Predator rivals them all. Why? simply because the Predator has more advanced weaponry to destroy anything in its path including Aliens. My favorite moment in the movie is the final battle between the Queen Alien and Predator with the mark on his mask. I don't know how the hell the director manage to capture all that on film but my god that was an amazing battle.
AVPR was this piece of crap made? I suffered through every second of it and barely paid attention at other times. I haven't seen the first AVP but now I think I'll steer clear. I honestly felt like I was watching a Sci-Fi Channel original movie. This one just has that very fake and TV feel to it. Stay away, far away.
I hated pretty much everything about this movie from the acting, to the storyline, to the horrible dialog. I hated all the characters and would have enjoyed seeing them all die on the screen. There are points in the film where it almost seems like they were going for a storyline but it gets completely muddled by the horrible action sequences and then it feels as if they just gave up. This truly is a mess.
Huh? You say AVP was great and you loved the battle between the Queen and Predator. Then you go on to say you haven't seen the first AVP. So I don't understand. You do realize there are only two AVP movies, right?
In any event, I don't know how you can think any movie with the Aliens in them is a better action film than ALIENS. It's even a stretch to say any of the Predator films are better action movies than ALIENS. ALIENS is really one of the best action films ever made... even the IMDB top 250 agrees.
Quote from: StayFrosty on Nov 21, 2011, 03:25:59 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on Nov 20, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
Personally, I thought AVP was a very well done sci-fi action movie. Most definitely the best sci-fi action movie I seen. Between the Predator and Aliens, the Predator rivals them all. Why? simply because the Predator has more advanced weaponry to destroy anything in its path including Aliens. My favorite moment in the movie is the final battle between the Queen Alien and Predator with the mark on his mask. I don't know how the hell the director manage to capture all that on film but my god that was an amazing battle.
AVPR was this piece of crap made? I suffered through every second of it and barely paid attention at other times. I haven't seen the first AVP but now I think I'll steer clear. I honestly felt like I was watching a Sci-Fi Channel original movie. This one just has that very fake and TV feel to it. Stay away, far away.
I hated pretty much everything about this movie from the acting, to the storyline, to the horrible dialog. I hated all the characters and would have enjoyed seeing them all die on the screen. There are points in the film where it almost seems like they were going for a storyline but it gets completely muddled by the horrible action sequences and then it feels as if they just gave up. This truly is a mess.
Huh? You say AVP was great and you loved the battle between the Queen and Predator. Then you go on to say you haven't seen the first AVP. So I don't understand. You do realize there are only two AVP movies, right?
In any event, I don't know how you can think any movie with the Aliens in them is a better action film than ALIENS. It's even a stretch to say any of the Predator films are better action movies than ALIENS. ALIENS is really one of the best action films ever made... even the IMDB top 250 agrees.
Hey I was very tired when posting my message, well I have seen the first AVP, I was being a dumbass that was a mistake that I said I have never seen it.
Quote from: Topazora on Sep 18, 2011, 12:09:01 AM
Stand alone, I think AvP was pretty good, its a leave your brain at the door and enjoy. As for AvP:R... I would've liked it had it not been for the whole towns people and the emo college age dawson's creek they had going. Its bad enough I have to deal with some stupid teenage/college drama in Transformers...
I agree i think the teenage drama just dumbed the film to a low point. The stuff was not needed.
Quote from: Topazora on Sep 18, 2011, 12:09:01 AM
I also have an issue when it comes to kids getting killed, though I stopped watching up to the hospital scene.
The killing off the kid hunting and the infamous hopsital scene leave a bad taste in my mouth for AVPR. The former, i could get past, but hospital scene was just disturbing and completely unnecessary. Kind of cheap shockand horror for the sake of shock and gore, the kind youd find in a slasher film.
While AVP had a great story, the action and alien vs. predator fights could have been more. It was a mature scifi film and had it been given a longer running time and bigger budget, a better movie would have resulted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws)
AvP have an interesting premise that could have been done better. It has a cold landscape, interesting setting, and an okay story that definitely could have been improved. What it failed was it's execution.
AvP-R was crap from the very beginning. I can't see how you could improve this movie anymore from the script.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 26, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws)
AvP have an interesting premise that could have been done better. It has a cold landscape, interesting setting, and an okay story that definitely could have been improved. What it failed was it's execution.
AvP-R was crap from the very beginning. I can't see how you could improve this movie anymore from the script.
That was fu*king hilarious!
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 26, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws)
AvP have an interesting premise that could have been done better. It has a cold landscape, interesting setting, and an okay story that definitely could have been improved. What it failed was it's execution.
AvP-R was crap from the very beginning. I can't see how you could improve this movie anymore from the script.
I'm sick of hearing people bitch about things "instantly happening" in this film. I won't argue about the Alien lifecycle being sped up but specifically, Wolf's travel from the homeworld to Earth and distress signal. How about, just accept it as being shortened for the sake of the f**king film!?!
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 27, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 26, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws)
AvP have an interesting premise that could have been done better. It has a cold landscape, interesting setting, and an okay story that definitely could have been improved. What it failed was it's execution.
AvP-R was crap from the very beginning. I can't see how you could improve this movie anymore from the script.
I'm sick of hearing people bitch about things "instantly happening" in this film. I won't argue about the Alien lifecycle being sped up but specifically, Wolf's travel from the homeworld to Earth and distress signal. How about, just accept it as being shortened for the sake of the f**king film!?!
Right on!
(people are dumb :-\)
As for the Predator sending the distress signal instead of activating the self-destruct, he wouldn't have been able to complete the sequence seeing as how the Predalien was right on him as soon as he woke up.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 27, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
How about, just accept it as being shortened for the sake of the f**king film!?!
How about accepting that to a lot of people, things happening in such short order detracts from the story? How about accepting that rushing past things fails to let valuable details sink in, or for an effective atmosphere to be established? How about accepting that shortening the stuff for the sake of the film is, in a lot of people's views, entirely indicative of the immature attention-span deprived mentality that resulted in the film being a total f**king waste of celluloid?
How about that?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 26, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws)
AvP have an interesting premise that could have been done better. It has a cold landscape, interesting setting, and an okay story that definitely could have been improved. What it failed was it's execution.
AvP-R was crap from the very beginning. I can't see how you could improve this movie anymore from the script.
This video hit it right on the button. I know I said after I last watched it I liked some of the characters, but after watching Alien and Predator I quickly regreted that statement.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 28, 2011, 04:47:43 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 27, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
How about, just accept it as being shortened for the sake of the f**king film!?!
How about accepting that to a lot of people, things happening in such short order detracts from the story? How about accepting that rushing past things fails to let valuable details sink in, or for an effective atmosphere to be established? How about accepting that shortening the stuff for the sake of the film is, in a lot of people's views, entirely indicative of the immature attention-span deprived mentality that resulted in the film being a total f**king waste of celluloid?
How about that?
This.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 28, 2011, 04:47:43 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 27, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
How about, just accept it as being shortened for the sake of the f**king film!?!
How about accepting that to a lot of people, things happening in such short order detracts from the story? How about accepting that rushing past things fails to let valuable details sink in, or for an effective atmosphere to be established? How about accepting that shortening the stuff for the sake of the film is, in a lot of people's views, entirely indicative of the immature attention-span deprived mentality that resulted in the film being a total f**king waste of celluloid?
How about that?
The last point, usually only comes from really cynical movie goers in my experience. Some I've spoken to say the film was just dumb fun and they were content with that. I understand your frustration but at the same time considering where the film was coming from, I'm surprised you're so upset about it.
I'm not upset about it.
Unless by "it" I mean people saying "Quit bitching just go with it".
I was referring to the movie.
I know. I was just making a point.
It didn't bother me so that's where I'm coming from. It's not the first movie I've seen that shortened a travel of some sort just for the sake of keeping the film going.
Say you were at the helm. What would you have included?
Included? In what regard?
Not shortened the travel times. What would you have put in between Wolf leaving the homeworld and arriving at Earth?
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 26, 2011, 08:13:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5OR2WcaH5g#ws)
AvP have an interesting premise that could have been done better. It has a cold landscape, interesting setting, and an okay story that definitely could have been improved. What it failed was it's execution.
AvP-R was crap from the very beginning. I can't see how you could improve this movie anymore from the script.
Hahaha I never get tired of that vid
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 28, 2011, 06:15:49 AM
Not shortened the travel times. What would you have put in between Wolf leaving the homeworld and arriving at Earth?
Wouldn't have had him leave from the homeworld. There was a ship much, much closer.
People have a perfect right to get annoyed by sheer laziness of filmmakers given millions of dollars to make a movie featuring two iconic and beloved monsters.
"Dumb fun" might fit - only if it were actually "fun".
Watching a dude wail on retards for 90 minutes isn't fun.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 28, 2011, 06:17:57 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 28, 2011, 06:15:49 AM
Not shortened the travel times. What would you have put in between Wolf leaving the homeworld and arriving at Earth?
Wouldn't have had him leave from the homeworld. There was a ship much, much closer.
You're talking about the Predator ship in the beginning?
Exactly.
Has it ever been established why that little ship detached in the first place? Did one of the Predators forget to go to the toilet or something?
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2011, 06:26:56 AM
Has it ever been established why that little ship detached in the first place? Did one of the Predators forget to go to the toilet or something?
My guess is, they were going back to the homeworld whereas the mothership was going to drop Preds off on lands uncharted.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 28, 2011, 06:24:50 AM
Exactly.
So he's on the Pred ship, the second vessel splits off in the other direction, then when they crash land, Wolf leaves the mothership? I could've gone for that too.
QuoteMy guess is, they were going back to the homeworld whereas the mothership was going to drop Preds off on lands uncharted.
The homeworld was hiding behind Earth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3_ww66EeN8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3_ww66EeN8#ws)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 27, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
I'm sick of hearing people bitch about things "instantly happening" in this film. I won't argue about the Alien lifecycle being sped up but specifically, Wolf's travel from the homeworld to Earth and distress signal. How about, just accept it as being shortened for the sake of the f**king film!?!
No.
Why would I ignore shitty storytelling and plot holes for the sake of a bad movie?
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2011, 06:30:56 AM
QuoteMy guess is, they were going back to the homeworld whereas the mothership was going to drop Preds off on lands uncharted.
The homeworld was hiding behind Earth?
They had just passed Saturn. They weren't close to the homeworld.
The detached ship headed straight back for Earth.
Let 'em have a break, they just remembered there was a 50% off sale for a xBox 360.
I woulda thought their hands wouldn't be suited to Xbox controllers. But on the other hand these are idiots who let a chestburster onto their ship then shoot holes in the wall, so if you gave them a Wii, they'd smash the TV the first time they play bowling.
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2011, 06:26:56 AM
Has it ever been established why that little ship detached in the first place? Did one of the Predators forget to go to the toilet or something?
Not
everything needs to be explained.
No, but making some kind of sense, at all, would be nice.
Did you think about it the first time you watched it?
The ship detaching wasn't in the theatrical cut.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Nov 29, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2011, 06:26:56 AM
Has it ever been established why that little ship detached in the first place? Did one of the Predators forget to go to the toilet or something?
Not everything needs to be explained.
Some things however - do. Otherwise it makes the filmmakers and their film look dumb. All they need to do is give us a hint.
I thought they could've jettisoned the smaller ship when they found out the Alien was on board - but then you have the question of why couldn't they remotely blow it up. Well, show acid damage on the mechanism to scuttle the ship. Then you have the problem of a ship flying 1.5 billion km through space back to Earth and the Predator doing f**k all to try and avoid a situation of Aliens getting loose. It's just a clusterf**k of fanfic proportions.
QuoteDid you think about it the first time you watched it?
Yes.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 29, 2011, 10:54:05 PM
The ship detaching wasn't in the theatrical cut.
I never mentioned theatrical cut
Quote from: SM on Nov 29, 2011, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Nov 29, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
Quote from: SM on Nov 28, 2011, 06:26:56 AM
Has it ever been established why that little ship detached in the first place? Did one of the Predators forget to go to the toilet or something?
Not everything needs to be explained.
Some things however - do. Otherwise it makes the filmmakers and their look dumb. All they need to do is give us a hint.
I thought they could've jettisoned the smaller ship when they found out the Alien was on board - but then you have the question of why couldn't they remotely blow it up. Well, show acid damage on the mechanism to scuttle the ship. Then you have the problem of a ship flying 1.5 billion km through space back to Earth and the Predator doing f**k all to try and avoid a situation of Aliens getting loose. It's just a clusterf**k of fanfic proportions.
QuoteDid you think about it the first time you watched it?
Yes.
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I'll end it there.
Yeah I thought about it. They load up huggers onto a ship and head back to Earth. Why do they have huggers in the first place? If the temple's been destroyed, where are they going to hunt them? If containment is such an issue, why would they unleash the Aliens in any kind of wide populated area, even if it's just an animal population?
And what's the point of flying all the way to Saturn - and then straight back again? Granted not much of a big deal for a species that can cover parsecs of space in a few hours. Still doesn't make any sense.
Ask the Strause bros or whoever the writer was. :-\
They don't know either.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 29, 2011, 11:16:48 PM
Yeah I thought about it. They load up huggers onto a ship and head back to Earth. Why do they have huggers in the first place? If the temple's been destroyed, where are they going to hunt them? If containment is such an issue, why would they unleash the Aliens in any kind of wide populated area, even if it's just an animal population?
Who says they were heading for Earth. Earth is after all the fourth or fifth Planet from the Sun. There may be something to hunt on Mercury or/and Impregnate and then hunt.
It's the third planet...
And there's nothing living on Mercury to hunt.
And if you want to get really technical (which the writer and directors obviously didn't - but either way) - on the date in question, Jupiter, Mercury, Venus, and Mars were all closer to the Predator mothership than Earth. Given their trajectory, if they weren't going to Earth, the next planet they'd be anywhere near was Uranus.
Sorry left this bit out, do not forget they were not heading directly at earth until there hull was ruptured.
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2011, 01:37:02 AM
It's the third planet...
And there's nothing living on Mercury to hunt.
Its not the third anymore. Also we can not be sure if there is or isn't life on Mercury or the planets closer too the sun than Mercury.
Soon we may have 13 planets listed as being in our solar system.
They were heading in a straight line back they way they come from which was from Earth. Then the hull gets ruptured within stones throw of Earth. Where else is there for them to go?
Even if they're not going to Earth - why travel all the way to Saturn then double back?
I think it's safe to chalk it down to style over substance, like most of the film. They really wouldn't have put a lot of thought into it, it just looked kewl.
Reckon.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Dec 01, 2011, 01:37:07 AM
Sorry left this bit out, do not forget they were not heading directly at earth until there hull was ruptured.
Yes they were.
QuoteIts not the third anymore.Quote
Yeah it is. Mercury and Venus are the only two bodies labeled planets between us and the sun.
QuoteAlso we can not be sure if there is or isn't life on Mercury
Sure we can. Firstly, it has no atmosphere. Secondly, we've mapped it, and there's shit-all but craters. Thirdly, the planet alternates between freezing and boiling. Predators would be screwed.
Quoteor the planets closer too the sun than Mercury.
What planets?
QuoteSoon we may have 13 planets listed as being in our solar system.
Based on ... ?
They were heading in that direction. I have no idea why, but I don't think they planned on going back to Earth in the first place.
Where were they going then?
QuoteIts not the third anymore.
:laugh:
QuoteIts not the third anymore. Also we can not be sure if there is or isn't life on Mercury or the planets closer too the sun than Mercury.
:laugh: If on the extremely off chance they find a microbe on Mercury or Venus - how is a Predator going to hang that on the wall after the fierce struggle it has with it?
QuoteSoon we may have 13 planets listed as being in our solar system.
Who says? We only just went from 9 planets to 8?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 01, 2011, 08:45:50 AM
Yes they were.
No there were not, if they were they would not have dove right at the planet when it had a hull breach.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 01, 2011, 08:45:50 AM
What planets?
It has no name as of yet, and is very difficult to see because it is closer to the Sun than Mercury, and not much is know about that planet ether because how difficult it is too look at.
QuoteSoon we may have 13 planets listed as being in our solar system.
Based on ... ?
[/quote]
Eris, Ceres, Haumea, Makemake, Plutino 1999 TC36
They're not classed as planets.
QuoteIt has no name as of yet, and is very difficult to see because it is closer to the Sun than Mercury, and not much is know about that planet ether because how difficult it is too look at.
If this is what you mean - no, there isn't any such planet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(hypothetical_planet))
Quote from: SM on Dec 01, 2011, 10:33:20 PMWhere were they going then?
The Predator homeworld I assume.
Ahh - Now it makes sense!
The Predator homeworld is actually that planet between Mercury and the sun! That's why Wolf got to Earth so quick!!
:P way to fill in the gap in KingAngel's argument.
You dun nailed it! ;D
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Dec 02, 2011, 12:11:04 AM
No there were not, if they were they would not have dove right at the planet when it had a hull breach.
Sure they would've.
QuoteIt has no name as of yet, and is very difficult to see because it is closer to the Sun than Mercury, and not much is know about that planet ether because how difficult it is too look at.
Got anything to back that up? At all? Because I can't find
anything about a planet having been discovered closer to the sun than Mercury.
QuoteEris, Ceres, Haumea, Makemake, Plutino 1999 TC36
Ceres was last listed as a planet
several hundred years ago, and
none of those fit the current definition of a planet (although strictly speaking, neither does anything else in the solar system). Any
new definition of a planet isn't going to include them; at any rate, adding them would add Pluto and Charon back.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 05:17:55 AM
Sure they would've.
So what is your game here, are you a hater of AvP-R and the fans of AvP-R? You can't honestly tell me that they were heading too earth on the trajectory they were on with a straight face. I can not tell if you are being sarcastic and lighthearted or you are being hostile.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 05:17:55 AM
Got anything to back that up? At all? Because I can't find anything about a planet having been discovered closer to the sun than Mercury.
Sorry saw it on the news.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2011, 05:17:55 AM
Ceres was last listed as a planet several hundred years ago, and none of those fit the current definition of a planet (although strictly speaking, neither does anything else in the solar system). Any new definition of a planet isn't going to include them; at any rate, adding them would add Pluto and Charon back.
Well on the news they were talking about people in the scientific community changing what counts as a planet and how many or in our Solar system. Those Dwarf Planets may count as reg planets very very soon.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 02, 2011, 12:33:53 AM
:P way to fill in the gap in KingAngel's argument.
Well I do not know about you but the only time it was bright in AvP-R was when we saw Wolf on his planet, and it also was the only seen saw freaking bright I had to turn the brightness down just prevent my tv from being damaged.
One thing you have to realize is that Science is not ever 100% correct, we always have correction to make to what we thought was correct in the past. Even if we think we have correct past mistakes in the future people will correct mistakes we made now.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Dec 02, 2011, 06:59:19 AM
So what is your game here, are you a hater of AvP-R and the fans of AvP-R? You can't honestly tell me that they were heading too earth on the trajectory they were on with a straight face. I can not tell if you are being sarcastic and lighthearted or you are being hostile.
None of the above.
QuoteSorry saw it on the news.
Yet I can't find a single thing about it. Anywhere.
QuoteWell on the news they were talking about people in the scientific community changing what counts as a planet and how many or in our Solar system. Those Dwarf Planets may count as reg planets very very soon.
But they wouldn't (and, again, I can't find anything about any of this). About the only change needed to the current definition is for "To have cleared its orbital path" to be replaced with "To be the gravitationally dominant object in its orbit", which would still exclude the dwarf planets.
QuoteOne thing you have to realize is that Science is not ever 100% correct, we always have correction to make to what we thought was correct in the past. Even if we think we have correct past mistakes in the future people will correct mistakes we made now.
When it comes to the current question, it is 100% correct because they've defined what a planet is and Pluto, Eris et al don't qualify.
QuoteYou can't honestly tell me that they were heading too earth on the trajectory they were on with a straight face.
Either they were heading to Earth when they shot a hole in their ship, or it's the mother of all coincidences. If you want to give this flick the benefit of the doubt - go with the former.
Why could they not have just been heading in that direction? I don't understand why it's hard to fathom that to get back to the Pred homeworld, they have to keep going in the same direction as the mothership and not towards Earth.
Quote from: SM on Dec 02, 2011, 10:20:05 AM
When it comes to the current question, it is 100% correct because they've defined what a planet is and Pluto, Eris et al don't qualify.
Well since they are talking about how many planets are in the solar system, unless State news is incorrect which I doubt, it would mean the matter is not clear cut and dry on how many planets there are in.
QuoteYou can't honestly tell me that they were heading too earth on the trajectory they were on with a straight face.
Quote from: SM on Dec 02, 2011, 10:20:05 AM
Either they were heading to Earth when they shot a hole in their ship, or it's the mother of all coincidences. If you want to give this flick the benefit of the doubt - go with the former.
Or it is Fate that the Aliens came down to earth, and that pred tech was obtained by Yutani corporation which would one day merge with Weyland industries, together they will develop engines for space craft.
The one thing I really love about AvP-R is that it shows how unpredictable Xenomorphs are in tactics and life cycle. None of you most likely go to web sites that bash Xenomorphs, Predators and Colonial Marines to, and have long strange written papers on how Spartans from Sparta can beat Xenomorphs with just Spears and shields. Stuff from the other mediums and AvP-R throws a big monkey wrench in there quote unquote Special tactics that there army like the Spartans can use to devastate ,without losses, Xenomorphs. The first one of those big monkey wrenches are Belly bursters. People claim that AvP-R killed the series, well in truth it may have saved the series and the creatures in it from anti Alien, Predator, Colonial Marine, debaters.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Dec 04, 2011, 03:22:25 AM
The one thing I really love about AvP-R is that it shows how unpredictable Xenomorphs are in tactics and life cycle. None of you most likely go to web sites that bash Xenomorphs, Predators and Colonial Marines to, and have long strange written papers on how Spartans from Sparta can beat Xenomorphs with just Spears and shields. Stuff from the other mediums and AvP-R throws a big monkey wrench in there quote unquote Special tactics that there army like the Spartans can use to devastate ,without losses, Xenomorphs. The first one of those big monkey wrenches are Belly bursters. People claim that AvP-R killed the series, well in truth it may have saved the series and the creatures in it from anti Alien, Predator, Colonial Marine, debaters.
Aside from how rediculous a debate on Aliens vs. Spartans is (I'm not even gonna go there), what unpredictable tactics does AVP-R show aside from the "run at the enemy and use none of your natural weapons"? How many time does that movie show the xeno as sacrificial lambs for wolf to slaughter? Having multiple xeno burst from a single host did change things (and shat on previous films in the process) but if they all grow up to be retarded targets then give me the old single competant burster anyday.
Quote from: Rothschild on Dec 04, 2011, 05:44:00 AM
Aside from how rediculous a debate on Aliens vs. Spartans is (I'm not even gonna go there), what unpredictable tactics does AVP-R show aside from the "run at the enemy and use none of your natural weapons"? How many time does that movie show the xeno as sacrificial lambs for wolf to slaughter? Having multiple xeno burst from a single host did change things (and shat on previous films in the process) but if they all grow up to be retarded targets then give me the old single competant burster anyday.
Well before I get into detail I will point out Wolf never would have survived the incident one way or another. Well for one, and this goes against all the alien haters out there that also hate colonial marines and the weapons they use, they fought a modern military force and kicked it but with little losses.
People, not here... I think, have complained about how retarded the Marines were for not using night vision goggles instead of infrared, the people I mentioned above, cracked.com, 40kers have also taken a look see at the specs for a pulse rifle and compared it to a M-16A2.
Specs for Pulse rifle
QuoteM41A1 Specifications:
Rifle without magazine and sling 3.2 kg
Full magazine (100 rounds) 1.5 kg
Sling 0.2 kg
Firing weight (fully loaded w/sling) 4.9 kg
Length of rifle (stock retracted) 69.5 cm
Length of rifle (stock extended) 84.0 cm
Length of barrel 24.7 cm
Muzzle velocity 840 m/s
Maximum range 2,100 m
Maximum effective range 500 m
Cyclic rate of fire 900 rpm
QuoteSpecs for M-16A2
Rifle without magazine and sling 3.5 kg
Full magazine (30 rounds) .3 kg
Sling 0.2 kg
Firing weight (fully loaded w/sling) 4.0 kg
Length of rifle 101 cm
Length of barrel 50.8 cm
Muzzle velocity 948 m/s
Maximum range 3,600 m
Maximum effective range 550 m(point)-800(area target)
Cyclic rate of fire 750-950
Now they like to ignore the fact that the Pulserifle fires 10mm steel explosive shells. When you do this it does make the pulserifle looks kind bad. And lots of anti-Alien anti-Colonial Marine debaters used the facts above to make it look like modern day US Army soldiers WILL easily kill Aliens and that Colonial Marines are retarded. Then came AvP-R it shows that modern day US Army soldiers are screwed against Aliens, its shows that it nearly takes a whole clip from the M-16A2 to kill ONE XENOMORPH WARRIOR!
It also shows that even when the Aliens do not have hosts old enough to leach experiences and memories from there host, unborn babies, that there are still very dangerous Alpha aliens that come from these belly bursters. At least 1 survived Wolf, the one in the power plant and it kick the crap out of him. Technically so did the one that threw him down the elevator, the writers said that he, Wolf, was supposed to be covered in blood from being injured, possible badly, by the warrior but the rain washed away all the blood in the scene when Wolf saves Dallas.
Then there the other mediums, they show that there is unlimited different types of Xenomorph and they can evolve rapidly, adapt to what ever problems they or the hive are facing. Its one thing to deal with a Human Warrior its another to have to deal with a Onslaught Genom Warrior or a Razor Claw, or a Ravager. You see those coming you might as well use that M-16A2 on yourself.
QuoteWhy could they not have just been heading in that direction? I don't understand why it's hard to fathom that to get back to the Pred homeworld, they have to keep going in the same direction as the mothership and not towards Earth.
Because space is unimaginably big that I find it hard to believe they were going anywhere but Earth. They hadn't even left the solar ecliptic. On top of that if Wolf was comgin from the homeworld, when he reviews the data about the crash, there's that crash zoom through space that ends on an angle behind the ship. If that's a straight line back to the Predaplanet - it's a direction the ship was not going.
QuoteWell since they are talking about how many planets are in the solar system, unless State news is incorrect which I doubt, it would mean the matter is not clear cut and dry on how many planets there are in.
No. Right now it's clear cut what defines a planet and what defines a dwarf planet. Unless you can provide some info on how that's about to change, it's still clear cut.
QuoteOr it is Fate that the Aliens came down to earth, and that pred tech was obtained by Yutani corporation which would one day merge with Weyland industries, together they will develop engines for space craft.
Oh, okay. 'Fate' then... ::)
Quote from: Rothschild on Dec 04, 2011, 05:44:00 AM
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Dec 04, 2011, 03:22:25 AM
The one thing I really love about AvP-R is that it shows how unpredictable Xenomorphs are in tactics and life cycle. None of you most likely go to web sites that bash Xenomorphs, Predators and Colonial Marines to, and have long strange written papers on how Spartans from Sparta can beat Xenomorphs with just Spears and shields. Stuff from the other mediums and AvP-R throws a big monkey wrench in there quote unquote Special tactics that there army like the Spartans can use to devastate ,without losses, Xenomorphs. The first one of those big monkey wrenches are Belly bursters. People claim that AvP-R killed the series, well in truth it may have saved the series and the creatures in it from anti Alien, Predator, Colonial Marine, debaters.
Aside from how rediculous a debate on Aliens vs. Spartans is (I'm not even gonna go there), what unpredictable tactics does AVP-R show aside from the "run at the enemy and use none of your natural weapons"? How many time does that movie show the xeno as sacrificial lambs for wolf to slaughter? Having multiple xeno burst from a single host did change things (and shat on previous films in the process) but if they all grow up to be retarded targets then give me the old single competant burster anyday.
'ken oath.
If their new tactics include playing possum - they're doing it wrong.
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2011, 11:14:12 PM
Because space is unimaginably big that I find it hard to believe they were going anywhere but Earth. They hadn't even left the solar ecliptic. On top of that if Wolf was comgin from the homeworld, when he reviews the data about the crash, there's that crash zoom through space that ends on an angle behind the ship. If that's a straight line back to the Predaplanet - it's a direction the ship was not going.
I would have to watch that part again but for all we know Wolf was using some sort of external camera view to look at the ship and what it was doing before during and after the crash.
Also who is to say they were heading home, if that is even there home to begin with, there ship may be there true home.
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2011, 11:14:12 PM
No. Right now it's clear cut what defines a planet and what defines a dwarf planet. Unless you can provide some info on how that's about to change, it's still clear cut.
If the scientific community wasn't debating about the status of the other dwarf planets, if they should count as planets, I would say it is cut and dry. The problem is they are talking about it so the matter can't be cut and dry.
QuoteOr it is Fate that the Aliens came down to earth, and that pred tech was obtained by Yutani corporation which would one day merge with Weyland industries, together they will develop engines for space craft.
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2011, 11:14:12 PM
'ken oath.
If their new tactics include playing possum - they're doing it wrong.
Well you may not realize this but for people that hate Aliens, Predators or Colonial Marines, this movies shows How dangerous they are to modern US Army Soldiers. Lots of talk on websites before that movie came out about how much better current weapons are and tactics than what the Colonial Marines were using. Before they started show faster gestation periods in like in Alien 3 AvP AvP-R haters would talk about how easy it would be to crush Alien infestation because it takes a couple days, well now with all that has been show, including how stealthy Aliens are, they never showed aliens being at point blank range, that I can recall at the moment, while moving at the same time and not being detected by a lethal enemy/s, actually taking the initiative and wining most the time.
I also like the fact that it show that Plasma Casters, depending on the model, is not a one shot kill weapon against Aliens. Also I like that they followed the lore and that Aliens inherit the knowledge and abilities of its host. It makes since that some like 5/10 of the Warriors in AvP-R acted childish because they came from babies, and at the same time the Predalien came from Scar and had his Yautja hunting instinct and practices.
Didn't the belly bursters come from the mother? They shared her belly with a baby, but the baby wasnt the host. If they do indeed retain memories and instincts, shouldn't they retain memories and instincts from an adult and therefore act like adults?
QuoteThe problem is they are talking about it so the matter can't be cut and dry.
You keep claiming this yet continue to fail to provide any info to back it up. Who says they're still talking about it? If you can't provide proof, all we can assume is you're making it up.
QuoteAlso who is to say they were heading home
Doomrulz.
QuoteWell you may not realize this but for people that hate Aliens, Predators or Colonial Marines, this movies shows How dangerous they are to modern US Army Soldiers.
Well you may not realise but you're not talking to people that hate Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines.
QuoteBefore they started show faster gestation periods in like in Alien 3
Neither Spike nor Ripley were fast.
QuoteAlso I like that they followed the lore and that Aliens inherit the knowledge and abilities of its host. It makes since that some like 5/10 of the Warriors in AvP-R acted childish because they came from babies
:laugh: That's taking the concept of generational memory - of which we know almost next to nothing - to a ridiculous and unsubstantiated extreme.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Dec 05, 2011, 07:11:33 AMIt makes since that some like 5/10 of the Warriors in AvP-R acted childish because they came from babies,
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Quote from: Rothschild on Dec 05, 2011, 07:56:36 AM
Didn't the belly bursters come from the mother? They shared her belly with a baby, but the baby wasn't the host. If they do indeed retain memories and instincts, shouldn't they retain memories and instincts from an adult and therefore act like adults?
They were in the uterus, and more than likely the baby/s themselves. If this statement is correct they would have interned through the Placenta and into the child itself through the umbilical cord. If the Aliens had been in the stomach and not the uterus during the beginning of there beginning development she would have been dead way before the Doctor got to her. The uterus during pregnancy is so full of blood that damage caused there can be extremely fatal and a quick painful death. That's not what we saw in the movie until they ate through her uterus stomach muscles and skin.
Thereby proving what mindlessly stupid idea it was in the first place.
I always thought the unborn child was supposed to be food for the Aliens anyway. Which is still mindlessly stupid.
BS kill kids and unborn babies...
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Dey so hardcore.
Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
You keep claiming this yet continue to fail to provide any info to back it up. Who says they're still talking about it? If you can't provide proof, all we can assume is you're making it up.
Yeah sure and what motive would I have to make it up >:(
Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
Doomrulz.
Great so an ork says so.
Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2011, 07:47:56 PMWell you may not realise but you're not talking to people that hate Aliens, Predators and Colonial Marines.
You might not realize that a lot of people think that they are pathetic. Just because you are on a website devoted to AvP talking to people right now that know better doesn't mean you wont end up having a debate about Aliens vs whatever on a complete different website. Just try having a Aliens vs something debate on Robotech.com if you say that an alien can beat whatever it is they have picked it to fight you will be talked down to and called pathetic.
Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
Neither Spike nor Ripley were fast.
Well Spike is not a host for an alien anymore its an Ox and the Ox has a very fast gestation period. It is also stated that the Queens choose when they will be born (FemaleWars), Ripely is one example of a majorly delayed Gestation (Days).
Also it appears that the Browns in Resurrection had a fast gestation period.
Quote from: SM on Dec 05, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
That's taking the concept of generational memory - of which we know almost next to nothing - to a ridiculous and unsubstantiated extreme.
Really how, its been established in canon that is one of there attributes. It shows it in the movies, books, comics, and games. Heck they had the Predalien take the cooks head and spine in AvP-R, and even though they tried to remove the skinned Predaliens you can still see them in the movie itself. That is another Reason why Commando (Warrior LV-1201) was so freaking dangerous it came from a dangerous host.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 12:33:25 AM
Thereby proving what mindlessly stupid idea it was in the first place.
I always thought the unborn child was supposed to be food for the Aliens anyway. Which is still mindlessly stupid.
BS kill kids and unborn babies...
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Dey so hardcore.
Stupid how? Instead of getting one Warrior per person like with non-pregnant host, with a pregnant host you get 6 warriors. Theoretically it could be possible that depending on how many babies the host has it may plant 6 embroes per child. Since multiples are more common now days you could end up with 12 warrior from one women, more if you include Septuplets (42 Warriors). With belly bursters included it makes Xenomorph infestations much more dangerous and because of how much faster the hive grows. Granted because of the bellyburster process the Warrior will not have any inherited skills but it was still show that there are some Alpha Aliens that come from the bellybursters and Alpha are dangerous even if they didn't inherit jack.
QuoteYeah sure and what motive would I have to make it up
Quite beyond me. Possibly to back a baseless statement you made earlier about how many planets are in the solar system. Which is still baseless due to your lack of proof I might add.
QuoteGreat so an ork says so.
He's an ork? He never told me!
QuoteYou might not realize that a lot of people think that they are pathetic. Just because you are on a website devoted to AvP talking to people right now that know better doesn't mean you wont end up having a debate about Aliens vs whatever on a complete different website. Just try having a Aliens vs something debate on Robotech.com if you say that an alien can beat whatever it is they have picked it to fight you will be talked down to and called pathetic.
Despite the fact a single Alien is unlikely to last very long against a giant mech with energy weapons, I'm not seeing the relevance of this.
QuoteWell Spike is not a host for an alien anymore its an Ox and the Ox has a very fast gestation period. It is also stated that the Queens choose when they will be born (FemaleWars), Ripely is one example of a majorly delayed Gestation (Days).
Who says Spike isn't the host anymore? He was the host in the theatrical version, and the theatrical version still exists, so he is still the host in that version. Ultimately it doesn't matter. Babe was very likely hugged around the same time Spike was meaning the gestation was the same and about normal. Where are you getting info that ox gestation is fast?
QuoteAlso it appears that the Browns in Resurrection had a fast gestation period.
That's open to debate. The script makes mention of a faster gestation due to genetic shenanigans, but all this was dropped from the film and enough time is shown to have passed in the film for the gestation to also be about normal.
QuoteReally how, its been established in canon that is one of there attributes.
AvP:Poo aside - which to be honest, very few give the slightest bit of credence - all we know is Aliens take on minimal physical aspects of their host. Ripley had fragments of memories of her former life - but we have no way of knowing for sure if Aliens take on host memory or if that's a side effect unique to Ripley#8.
You might find people more receptive to your ideas if you didn't deal so much in absolutes.
QuoteStupid how?
Stupid because anything that big going down the hosts throat is going to do a lot of internal damage even before they start chewing their way through to the womb. Kinda defeats the purpose. If it was in such a hurry to get those things to the womb, there's a much more direct route.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
Quite beyond me. Possibly to back a baseless statement you made earlier about how many planets are in the solar system. Which is still baseless due to your lack of proof I might add.
I said it, that should be prof enough especially since I see no point in lying in an argument, debate, or flame-fest.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
He's an ork? He never told me!
I do not know who or what it he/she is and I do not care. I have never heard that name in any videos or that have to do with Aliens or Predators nor seen that name in any books.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
Despite the fact a single Alien is unlikely to last very long against a giant mech with energy weapons, I'm not seeing the relevance of this.
It depends on the Alien, its host, and how evolved it is, but that is beside the point. They talk about modern day infantry weapons in the warzone section and how pathetic the weapons are in Aliens, but the greatest insult of all is that they like to say the Starfleet from Startrek ground force including Borg would beat the crap out of Aliens although in the end most admit the Aliens will win against Starfleet but with heavy losses, that is still a joke hypothesis.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
Who says Spike isn't the host anymore? He was the host in the theatrical version, and the theatrical version still exists, so he is still the host in that version. Ultimately it doesn't matter. Babe was very likely hugged around the same time Spike was meaning the gestation was the same and about normal. Where are you getting info that ox gestation is fast?
I do not think Babe was not hugged at the same time even if she was it appears the funereal takes place much sooner in the new version.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
That's open to debate. The script makes mention of a faster gestation due to genetic shenanigans, but all this was dropped from the film and enough time is shown to have passed in the film for the gestation to also be about normal.
There really isn't anything considered normal, besideds what I wrote above in the Blu-ray version of Alien. It shows in the disc menu that the recorded gestation period for an Alien is 1-10 hours still it is shown faster in other movies and mediums.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
AvP:Poo aside - which to be honest, very few give the slightest bit of credence - all we know is Aliens take on minimal physical aspects of their host. Ripley had fragments of memories of her former life - but we have no way of knowing for sure if Aliens take on host memory or if that's a side effect unique to Ripley#8.
You might find people more receptive to your ideas if you didn't deal so much in absolutes.
My ideas, I have hardly written anything that is opinionated like 85%-90% is canonical fact. I see where this topic is going now so I am done with this one too.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 01:23:28 AM
Stupid because anything that big going down the hosts throat is going to do a lot of internal damage even before they start chewing their way through to the womb. Kinda defeats the purpose. If it was in such a hurry to get those things to the womb, there's a much more direct route.
Well no one can know for sure the exact process of how they got to the womb but chewing from the stomach to the womb more than likely didn't happen unless they repaired the damage on the way because when the Pregnant woman woke up she looked more puzzled than in pain. If they put the embryos in the other way it would cause to much embryonic fluid to leave the womb also causing labor. It doesn't matter though I am done with this.
No matter which way it went in, it's a silly concept. Sure adding MOAR aliens creates a larger threat in theory, but the whole eggbarfing business is rediculous and should be forgotten with the rest of the film.
QuoteI said it, that should be prof enough especially since I see no point in lying in an argument, debate, or flame-fest.
:laugh:
QuoteI do not know who or what it he/she is and I do not care. I have never heard that name in any videos or that have to do with Aliens or Predators nor seen that name in any books.
This be Doomrulz. I hope he won't be too hurt.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 03, 2011, 06:52:02 PM
Why could they not have just been heading in that direction? I don't understand why it's hard to fathom that to get back to the Pred homeworld, they have to keep going in the same direction as the mothership and not towards Earth.
QuoteI do not think Babe was not hugged at the same time even if she was it appears the funereal takes place much sooner in the new version.
Based on?
After the autopsy, Andrews says the same line about using the furnace and all the prisoners need to be in lockup by 2130 or 2200 (don't remember). So the funeral takes place at the same time in both cuts.
QuoteThere really isn't anything considered normal, besideds what I wrote above in the Blu-ray version of Alien. It shows in the disc menu that the recorded gestation period for an Alien is 1-10 hours still it is shown faster in other movies and mediums.
Normal gestation is around 12-16 hours based on Alien. Alien3 conforms to this timeframe. Aliens and Resurrection don't provide any extra info that regard.
QuoteIf they put the embryos in the other way it would cause to much embryonic fluid to leave the womb also causing labor.
She was already in labor. It doesn't matter which way they went in to the womb - it's going to likely kill the host before it can fulfill it's function of being a host.
QuoteIt doesn't matter though I am done with this.
If you can't back your claims - then simply say "I can't back them up". People do it all the time.
QuoteNo matter which way it went in, it's a silly concept. Sure adding MOAR aliens creates a larger threat in theory, but the whole eggbarfing business is rediculous and should be forgotten with the rest of the film.
Rather. Prime opportunity to work egg morphing back in - and they royally f**ked it up, like everything else on that flick.
I guess you would get da impact ov pregnant gurlz dying as much with egg morphing. Belly bursters much more sadistic.
Sadly that's all it is. The purpose is to scare - not revolt.
Do you mean Ripley's gestation period in Alien3 is 12-16 hours? Cause to me, it seems like several days took place in between. At least two days, probably more.
Although, I think you were talking about the dogburster.
As much as I hate Alien3, Ripley's gestation period does make sense, since a Queen is different and could require a longer time.
QuoteAlthough, I think you were talking about the dogburster.
Yes, I was.
Quote from: SM on Dec 04, 2011, 11:14:12 PM
QuoteWhy could they not have just been heading in that direction? I don't understand why it's hard to fathom that to get back to the Pred homeworld, they have to keep going in the same direction as the mothership and not towards Earth.
Because space is unimaginably big that I find it hard to believe they were going anywhere but Earth. They hadn't even left the solar ecliptic. On top of that if Wolf was comgin from the homeworld, when he reviews the data about the crash, there's that crash zoom through space that ends on an angle behind the ship. If that's a straight line back to the Predaplanet - it's a direction the ship was not going.
Well you bring up a valid point and you obviously took your time with it, but for me, it's just a simple plot device.
Quote from: KingAngel ofthe Outergulf on Dec 06, 2011, 12:45:38 AM
Great so an ork says so.
That's "mod" to you.
QuoteWell you bring up a valid point and you obviously took your time with it, but for me, it's just a simple plot device.
I like my plot devices less holey.
AVP is a masterpiece compared to Requiem.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
Based on?
After the autopsy, Andrews says the same line about using the furnace and all the prisoners need to be in lockup by 2130 or 2200 (don't remember). So the funeral takes place at the same time in both cuts.
Even if that were true the Ox would have been impregnated way later than when the dog was because they used the Oxs to haul the EEV too were ever it was supposed to go, obviously it couldn't have been impregnated then other wise everyone would have seen it happen.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
Normal gestation is around 12-16 hours based on Alien. Alien3 conforms to this timeframe. Aliens and Resurrection don't provide any extra info that regard.
There is no normal gestation time, during the time of the first three movies W.Y. observed that gestation time was in between 1-10 hours as stated in the first blu-ray disc of Alien Anthology, but even then that is before Humans realize there is no normal gestation time.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
She was already in labor. It doesn't matter which way they went in to the womb - it's going to likely kill the host before it can fulfill it's function of being a host.
The other where not, It does matter to the Alien because one way would cause the child to die instantly and the mother to go into labor while the other way doesn't harm the child in the since that they instantly die and the mother goes into labor.
Quote from: SM on Dec 06, 2011, 02:36:33 AM
If you can't back your claims - then simply say "I can't back them up". People do it all the time.
I do back them up 100% but it is pointless to write things that are canon to someone that doesn't want those things to be canon.
Quote from: StayFrosty on Dec 06, 2011, 07:03:42 PM
Do you mean Ripley's gestation period in Alien3 is 12-16 hours? Cause to me, it seems like several days took place in between. At least two days, probably more.
Although, I think you were talking about the dogburster.
As much as I hate Alien3, Ripley's gestation period does make sense, since a Queen is different and could require a longer time.
As revealed in Female Wars the Queens chose when they arrive. The Queen in Alien 3 more than likely waited till there was a way it could leave Fury 161.
W.Y. at the time of the three movies, shows that aliens gestate 1-10 hours. Aliens Anthology.
QuoteEven if that were true the Ox would have been impregnated way later than when the dog was because they used the Oxs to haul the EEV too were ever it was supposed to go, obviously it couldn't have been impregnated then other wise everyone would have seen it happen.
If the hugger snuck out of the EEV while it was being transported and then hugged an ox once the EEV was dumped inside the complex, the gestation time would've been similar (within an hour).
QuoteThere is no normal gestation time, during the time of the first three movies W.Y. observed that gestation time was in between 1-10 hours as stated in the first blu-ray disc of Alien Anthology, but even then that is before Humans realize there is no normal gestation time.
The only time WY may have gotten any data during the first three films was from medical logs at Hadley. Assuming they were sent back to Network by Bishop. And assuming they were detailed enough. Other than that they had Ripley's Queen data, which obviously isn't 1-10 hours.
QuoteThe other where not, It does matter to the Alien because one way would cause the child to die instantly and the mother to go into labor while the other way doesn't harm the child in the since that they instantly die and the mother goes into labor.
What?
QuoteI do back them up 100% but it is pointless to write things that are canon to someone that doesn't want those things to be canon.
Citiing some info on a DVD written by someone who had nothing to do with the films - and frequently conflicts with the film, doesn't qualify as 'backing something up'.
QuoteAs revealed in Female Wars the Queens chose when they arrive. The Queen in Alien 3 more than likely waited till there was a way it could leave Fury 161.
Certainly did a cracking job there eh? If Queens were so cognizant it simply could've told the adult to hive Ripley to a wall and wait out it's impending birth, which was less than 2 hours away.
QuoteW.Y. at the time of the three movies, shows that aliens gestate 1-10 hours. Aliens Anthology.
Alien and Alien3 show this to be wrong.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2012, 06:53:18 AM
If the hugger snuck out of the EEV while it was being transported and then hugged an ox once the EEV was dumped inside the complex, the gestation time would've been similar (within an hour).
Not really especially because of the fact that the two guys that got babe set up to be slaughtered had to leave too be present during the cremation of Hicks and Newt.
As we can see from the body Babe had been dead than less than an hour, you can tell this because rigor hadn't set in.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2012, 06:53:18 AM
The only time WY may have gotten any data during the first three films was from medical logs at Hadley. Assuming they were sent back to Network by Bishop. And assuming they were detailed enough. Other than that they had Ripley's Queen data, which obviously isn't 1-10 hours.
No they had more data than that as was shown in Aliens: Colonial Marines technical manual, Aliens: Infestation, and Aliens: Colonial Marine, Aliens Quaddrilogy dvd set and Aliens Anthology. Oh and the 2 new prequels coming out.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2012, 06:53:18 AM
What?
Yeah.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2012, 06:53:18 AM
Citiing some info on a DVD written by someone who had nothing to do with the films - and frequently conflicts with the film, doesn't qualify as 'backing something up'.
They do not conflict with the films, it doesn't matter if you like it or not, those blu-ray discs were made by fox and are a canon source.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2012, 06:53:18 AM
Certainly did a cracking job there eh? If Queens were so cognizant it simply could've told the adult to hive Ripley to a wall and wait out it's impending birth, which was less than 2 hours away.
They are as was shown in Aliens Female Wars.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2012, 06:53:18 AM
Alien and Alien3 show this to be wrong.
No they do not.
Just rewatched AVP, and I think that they definately put more work into the story telling and suspense than in AVPR. The fight choreography is a bit better in AVPR though. So is the music.
I've rewatch AvP last night and sure is far better AvP-R but I don't like it either. Definitely. This is absolutely not the way I see the concept of Aliens Versus Predator.
Otherwise, I must admit the really good SFX and some interesting shots.
QuoteAs we can see from the body Babe had been dead than less than an hour, you can tell this because rigor hadn't set in.
That has no bearing on when Babe was actually hugged.
QuoteNo they had more data than that as was shown in Aliens: Colonial Marines technical manual, Aliens: Infestation, and Aliens: Colonial Marine, Aliens Quaddrilogy dvd set and Aliens Anthology. Oh and the 2 new prequels coming out.
There's 2 prequels now? Either way all that came to light AFTER the first three films. And don't be surprised if the prequel shoots holes in stuff oncerning space jockies.
QuoteNo they do not.
If you actually pay attention to the timings in the films, both Kane and Spike's gestation are longer than 10 hours.
Avp: R had potential with the whole idea but went downhill it was too dark the actors sucked only one predator and the most crucial thing were the aliens why did they have rigid heads why did they die so easily just one alien killed 2 predators in AVP but could not touch this one and more then one alien attacked it so what happened. In AVP the creatures were really nicely portrayed and I could see what was happening the only sucky part of AVP was there was no gore aliens and predators are gore so why the hell didn't anyone bleed in this dumb movie I prefer AVP due to the fact I can see and understand what is happening
I prefer AVP now. :-\
You can always say your Nickname comes from this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0180093/). :P
I originally wanted to use Jaros428, which I always use, but I chose this....
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 12:58:34 AM
Avp: R had potential with the whole idea
No, not really. Pretty much screwed since they went with "Predator ship crashes in hillbilly Earth".
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jan 23, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 12:58:34 AM
Avp: R had potential with the whole idea
No, not really. Pretty much screwed since they went with "Predator ship crashes in hillbilly Earth".
Manhattan would have been better. Or even... Anatarctica! That'll be something new.
Earth was just a dumb excuse to copy a setting similar to Aliens (in principle). They should've made it in space to begin with.
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jan 30, 2012, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jan 23, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 12:58:34 AM
Avp: R had potential with the whole idea
No, not really. Pretty much screwed since they went with "Predator ship crashes in hillbilly Earth".
Manhattan would have been better. Or even... Anatarctica! That'll be something new.
Predator Part 8: Predator Takes Manhattan
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jan 31, 2012, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jan 30, 2012, 04:00:15 PM
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jan 23, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 19, 2012, 12:58:34 AM
Avp: R had potential with the whole idea
No, not really. Pretty much screwed since they went with "Predator ship crashes in hillbilly Earth".
Manhattan would have been better. Or even... Anatarctica! That'll be something new.
Predator Part 8: Predator Takes Manhattan
first scene: Predator saves a granny from getting mugged, then- he runs into a nearby burning building and saves a man from a burning death, and then he donates-
what? confused? i'm just writing the script using AVP logic
I like AvP better because it was more interesting and it wasn't in the dark in every part.
I rewatched AvP requiem on TV last night, and after watching the opening 20 minutes I had the thought again, that the Strauss brothers really dogged on Avp a lot, and made huge promises on how they were gonna get it right. But, they used the end of Andersons movie, the same Predalien idea, the same costumes and biohelmets ( i think), and just piggybacked on from there. I dont get their rationale. I used to think that Avp was just God-Awful, but truth be told, I hate a lot about it, but I have rewatched it many more times than Requiem. I will always HATE the look of Scar and the Elder, their faces, but the rest isnt toooooo bad.
The costumes were totally different. Wolf was slim and the Aliens had bigger heads and necks.
Quote from: walker31 on Feb 23, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
I rewatched AvP requiem on TV last night, and after watching the opening 20 minutes I had the thought again, that the Strauss brothers really dogged on Avp a lot, and made huge promises on how they were gonna get it right. But, they used the end of Andersons movie, the same Predalien idea, the same costumes and biohelmets ( i think), and just piggybacked on from there. I dont get their rationale. I used to think that Avp was just God-Awful, but truth be told, I hate a lot about it, but I have rewatched it many more times than Requiem. I will always HATE the look of Scar and the Elder, their faces, but the rest isnt toooooo bad.
Well their budget was pretty small. They pretty much HAD to use the old suits and whatever they could.
It's like being asked do you prefer being kicked in the balls with the left or right foot
I hate AvP the least.... but not by much
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Feb 23, 2012, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: walker31 on Feb 23, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
I rewatched AvP requiem on TV last night, and after watching the opening 20 minutes I had the thought again, that the Strauss brothers really dogged on Avp a lot, and made huge promises on how they were gonna get it right. But, they used the end of Andersons movie, the same Predalien idea, the same costumes and biohelmets ( i think), and just piggybacked on from there. I dont get their rationale. I used to think that Avp was just God-Awful, but truth be told, I hate a lot about it, but I have rewatched it many more times than Requiem. I will always HATE the look of Scar and the Elder, their faces, but the rest isnt toooooo bad.
Well their budget was pretty small. They pretty much HAD to use the old suits and whatever they could.
They wasted money reshooting the final scene of AvP, and then had money left over to do the Predator planet.
Instead of fixing the myriad problems that already existed.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Feb 23, 2012, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: walker31 on Feb 23, 2012, 05:28:37 PM
I rewatched AvP requiem on TV last night, and after watching the opening 20 minutes I had the thought again, that the Strauss brothers really dogged on Avp a lot, and made huge promises on how they were gonna get it right. But, they used the end of Andersons movie, the same Predalien idea, the same costumes and biohelmets ( i think), and just piggybacked on from there. I dont get their rationale. I used to think that Avp was just God-Awful, but truth be told, I hate a lot about it, but I have rewatched it many more times than Requiem. I will always HATE the look of Scar and the Elder, their faces, but the rest isnt toooooo bad.
Well their budget was pretty small. They pretty much HAD to use the old suits and whatever they could.
They didn't have to settle on such a lousy script. As directors, it's their job to ensure it makes sense.
I'm not sure the Strause's ever grasped the concept of a script. Instead they spent the whole pre production stage with a felt pen writing down stuff that would look 'cool'.
"This would look cool...
So would this,
This would be cooler...
Grabs two Aliens by the throat...
So cool...
That guy who delivered the Pizza last night had Bon Jovi playing in his van... gives me an idea
HOT....BLONDE....
This would sound cool,
Remember in Predator when...
Was gonna watch Alien and Predator last night but Transformers was on instead....
Remember in Alien Resurrection when...
Get to the Chopper!!!
End Credits...
Undeserved high five between the Strauses.... Fox make money... fans die inside
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 24, 2012, 09:33:50 AM
"This would look cool...
So would this,
This would be cooler...
Grabs two Aliens by the throat...
So cool...
That guy who delivered the Pizza last night had Bon Jovi playing in his van... gives me an idea
HOT....BLONDE....
This would sound cool,
Remember in Predator when...
Was gonna watch Alien and Predator last night but Transformers was on instead....
Remember in Alien Resurrection when...
Get to the Chopper!!!
End Credits...
Undeserved high five between the Strauses.... Fox make money... fans die inside
This is probably the best summary of AVPR I have seen yet.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 24, 2012, 09:33:50 AM
"This would look cool...
So would this,
This would be cooler...
Grabs two Aliens by the throat...
So cool...
That guy who delivered the Pizza last night had Bon Jovi playing in his van... gives me an idea
HOT....BLONDE....
This would sound cool,
Remember in Predator when...
Was gonna watch Alien and Predator last night but Transformers was on instead....
Remember in Alien Resurrection when...
Get to the Chopper!!!
End Credits...
Undeserved high five between the Strauses.... Fox make money... fans die inside
They didn't happen to scrawl this all down on a napkin during their lunch hour?
Tea break.
I forgot "P W S Anderson lol :laugh:" smiley face
I watch AVP and AVP-R this week, and i like them both, well i prefer AVP cause it still is an isolated place were thing can happen with no one knowing them, i like the human-pred team up and the way history is develop, in the AVP-R side there that crazy deam of beign a team and confronting ur favorite movie mosnters, so in that way it do works but as a fil or as a saga part its weaK
Spell. Punctuate. :P
And you must be the first person ever to actually like the team up of Predators and humans and the first person to enjoy the retconning of human history. Unless there are some other crazies in the last 200 pages, which I'm sure there are. In which case, never mind you probably fit in fine.
I wouldn't mind it so much, if they both have a common enemy, the human earned it, and when they were safe, they fought each other.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 05:26:52 PM
And you must be the first person ever to actually like the team up of Predators and humans
It's interesting this because Anderson obviously borrowed this straight from Prey which is usually regarded quite well. Did Anderson just fail to do it properly or is it something that only works in novel/graphic novel form?
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 05:26:52 PMand the first person to enjoy the retconning of human history.
The bigger problem of the two in my opinion.
QuoteDid Anderson just fail to do it properly
Yes.
Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2012, 05:56:37 AM
QuoteDid Anderson just fail to do it properly
Yes.
So then you think that the team up can work on film given the right circumstances.
A team can work if the Predator needs the human in order to survive.
The Predator didn't need Lex.
Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2012, 06:00:46 AM
A team can work if the Predator needs the human in order to survive.
The Predator didn't need Lex.
Quite right.
Quote from: SM on Apr 04, 2012, 06:00:46 AM
A team can work if the Predator needs the human in order to survive.
The Predator didn't need Lex.
Why would a Predator need a human? They seem rather self-sufficient.
The idea of a "team up" between Predator and humans is appealing to me, unfortunately Anderson f**ked it up completely, making her weapons out of Alien tails... then she stabs an Alien and the QUEEN are you f**king kidding Paul?!!!
QuoteWhy would a Predator need a human?
If it found itself in a situation where it couldn't win on it's own. Like the end of AvP.
I know I've said it squillion times before, but Scar should've tried to kill Lex and then have them seperate by the shifting pyramid. Then later either Scar or Lex is taking on the Queen and losing and the other steps in to help.
Hey, I agree with you. I would have preferred that to the ridiculous love bonding we got in AvP.
Quote from: SM on Apr 05, 2012, 12:46:38 AM
QuoteWhy would a Predator need a human?
If it found itself in a situation where it couldn't win on it's own. Like the end of AvP.
I know I've said it squillion times before, but Scar should've tried to kill Lex and then have them seperate by the shifting pyramid. Then later either Scar or Lex is taking on the Queen and losing and the other steps in to help.
I like that idea, I always envisioned the two being battered and exhausted after killing the Queen and kind of just facing off silently with their weapons just in range then cut to credits
AvP is better then AvP:R
I liked AvP,I could even look past the fact that grid killed 2 predators. What I hated about AVP was when Scar and Lex jumped on that Sled and rode the explosion up...wtf waas that. and Scars Human eyes..I even said 'what the hell.' out loud in the cinema.
But aside from that I enjoyed it.
AvP:R
I liked Wolf,he was great. the rest of the film was a mess. Pacing sucked,editing was all over the place and the film was way too dark. I question if the directors even watched the camera.
granted there were some cool scenes,but no substance.
Least AvP had the courtesy of an original story.
What original story? It came right from the comics.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 09, 2012, 03:02:45 PM
What original story? It came right from the comics.
yeah thats what I ment to say,a story that was good enough for the franchise. AvP:R just had a friday the 13th splashed in with a few aliens.
If AvP omitted the scene of Lex and Scar running together,the sled ride,the staring into eachother and the Queen scaling issues. Then I wouldnt have too much to be annoyed about lol.
And I'd keep grid killing those two,I'm a more of a Alien supporter and I reckon a alien could take out a Pred or more easy. :P
Shorten Grid's tail while you're at it too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2012, 03:08:45 AM
Shorten Grid's tail while you're at it too.
My favorite flaw to point out in
Alien vs Predator .
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 13, 2012, 03:08:45 AM
Shorten Grid's tail while you're at it too.
Oh yeah that too,ridiculously long.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 04, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
The idea of a "team up" between Predator and humans is appealing to me, unfortunately Anderson f**ked it up completely,
Before AVP the movie ever came out I always imagined a team up with a human and Predator would be badass, and I still think it would work, a lot like the Terminator protecting John Connor, but the way Paul Anderson fist f--ked that idea I just don't think anyone should attempt to try it unless the team up makes sense and the human character is some type of warrior/soldier who shares the same objective.
I thought the team up in Predators was the right way to do it, the safe way. I'll cut you down and give you a chance for revenge, but I want off this planet. They aren't friends, it really isn't a team up, it's just a deal is a deal between two warriors, code of honor ect.
Exactly, grudgingly cooperating to survive, instead of becoming Batman and Robin
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 17, 2012, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 04, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
The idea of a "team up" between Predator and humans is appealing to me, unfortunately Anderson f**ked it up completely,
Before AVP the movie ever came out I always imagined a team up with a human and Predator would be badass, and I still think it would work, a lot like the Terminator protecting John Connor, but the way Paul Anderson fist f--ked that idea I just don't think anyone should attempt to try it unless the team up makes sense and the human character is some type of warrior/soldier who shares the same objective.
I thought the team up in Predators was the right way to do it, the safe way. I'll cut you down and give you a chance for revenge, but I want off this planet. They aren't friends, it really isn't a team up, it's just a deal is a deal between two warriors, code of honor ect.
The only team up that I think worked was in Predators. It lasted about 10 seconds before Brody fed Classic to Mr. Black.
I remember in 2004 Fox had no plans to make sequels to any of the Alien or Predator movies. They intended AVP to be the new franchise.
Their plan was short lived :laugh:.
It's sad that the vote is even that close.
I go with avp the second screw up big time
Ok as much as the AvP movies are not good movies the first one just doesn't feel right. It is like some abomination of the Steve Perry book story-wise. Very thing is brightly lit. The predators look bad. The face huggers didn't move or attach properly. The creature blood for aliens and predators looked incorrect. The second movie while also bad at least got the look and feel of the creatures better! The alien cocoon and webbing looked correct, the predator acted like a predator. There wasn't some hand-holding anti-violent undertone like there was in the original AvP. There wasn't some stupid predator human collaboration with alien head shield and tail spear!!! Ughh at least it seemed like the Strausse brothers actually saw Aliens and Predator. Granted they mess up the life cycle but comparing the sins of both movies the second AvP is better!
It got the look and feel of the creatures right? When did the Aliens grow overinfalted necks and forget how to fight?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
It got the look and feel of the creatures right? When did the Aliens grow overinfalted necks and forget how to fight?
Since they fought Wolf i suppose?
Ok i go with AVP:R. Why? I just prefer how they made the Yautja a force to be reckoned with, not the 3 idiots in armour.
Although AVP had a stronger story and character Development. Sorry Xeno's :(
Quote from: TheUltimateHunter on Jun 11, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
Ok i go with AVP:R. Why? I just prefer how they made the Yautja a force to be reckoned with, not the 3 idiots in armour.
I beg to differ, while the Predators in AVP did do some very ridiculous, out of character ( teaming up with a human) things, the predators used what they had to try to kill the Xenos. While Wolf just mindlessly hacked, smashed and shot his way through a mindless horde of Xenos.
Quote from: Basher917 on Jun 11, 2012, 03:03:09 AM
Quote from: TheUltimateHunter on Jun 11, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
Ok i go with AVP:R. Why? I just prefer how they made the Yautja a force to be reckoned with, not the 3 idiots in armour.
I beg to differ, while the Predators in AVP did do some very ridiculous, out of character ( teaming up with a human) things, the predators used what they had to try to kill the Xenos. While Wolf just mindlessly hacked, smashed and shot his way through a mindless horde of Xenos.
This where i like to point out that they went to be blooded? then why allow some human take a share of the spoils? at least Wolf did not try and save the humans, if anything they just got in the way.
Quote from: TheUltimateHunter on Jun 11, 2012, 03:16:49 AM
Quote from: Basher917 on Jun 11, 2012, 03:03:09 AM
Quote from: TheUltimateHunter on Jun 11, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
Ok i go with AVP:R. Why? I just prefer how they made the Yautja a force to be reckoned with, not the 3 idiots in armour.
I beg to differ, while the Predators in AVP did do some very ridiculous, out of character ( teaming up with a human) things, the predators used what they had to try to kill the Xenos. While Wolf just mindlessly hacked, smashed and shot his way through a mindless horde of Xenos.
This where i like to point out that they went to be blooded? then why allow some human take a share of the spoils? at least Wolf did not try and save the humans, if anything they just got in the way.
Again, they did out of character things. That doesn't excuse Wolf's god-mode.
Quote from: Basher917 on Jun 11, 2012, 03:36:23 AM
Quote from: TheUltimateHunter on Jun 11, 2012, 03:16:49 AM
Quote from: Basher917 on Jun 11, 2012, 03:03:09 AM
Quote from: TheUltimateHunter on Jun 11, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
Ok i go with AVP:R. Why? I just prefer how they made the Yautja a force to be reckoned with, not the 3 idiots in armour.
I beg to differ, while the Predators in AVP did do some very ridiculous, out of character ( teaming up with a human) things, the predators used what they had to try to kill the Xenos. While Wolf just mindlessly hacked, smashed and shot his way through a mindless horde of Xenos.
This where i like to point out that they went to be blooded? then why allow some human take a share of the spoils? at least Wolf did not try and save the humans, if anything they just got in the way.
Again, they did out of character things. That doesn't excuse Wolf's god-mode.
Indeed it doesn't. I agree.
Quote from: PredatorsInstinct on Jun 11, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
It got the look and feel of the creatures right? When did the Aliens grow overinfalted necks and forget how to fight?
Since they fought Wolf i suppose?
What does that have to do with awful costume design?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 12, 2012, 01:23:23 PM
Quote from: PredatorsInstinct on Jun 11, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 03, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
It got the look and feel of the creatures right? When did the Aliens grow overinfalted necks and forget how to fight?
Since they fought Wolf i suppose?
What does that have to do with awful costume design?
Since they forgot how to fight? they are fighting against a predator..right?
Yes but what I'm asking is, how does that correlate with the bad costumes? Ferazel said AvP:R got the look of the creatures right. I'm saying that's not possible because the Aliens looked terrible. Now what does that have to with them fighting Wolf?
Oh i was just replying to the ''They forgot how to fight'' part of his post, not the whole thing, i didn't like the alien looks myself, they seemed very...chubby... lol
I just dug up My Copy of AVP and decided to watch it again after so many years and I got to say: I actually like it.
AVP has all the proper pacing of an alien or predator movie. It starts off slow and lets you get to know the characters a bit before they are killed off. Alexa woods was a good character, I don't care what anyone says. We got to know her profession, her strong and determined personality, a little background on her and her father. If that's not a well rounded character what the hell is? I know more about her than I ever did about Ripley. Charles Bishop Weyland was also a great character; His determination to leave his mark on the world was very compelling to me. One Complaint I can't stand from people is the one where people say Charles ruins continuity because he shows up in Alien 3. People who say this are retarded, never in Alien 3 does Bishop II ever say his name, he never said his name was Charles, so obviously he's Charles' descendent. The concept of Predators helping humans build pyramids didn't bother me at all, it's a well known theory that humans built the pyramids with alien help so I don't understand why predator fans are so offended by the idea, since it turns out the only reason they built the pyramids was so they could hunt Aliens. Unlike AVPR, the Aliens threat to the world was felt; you could feel the desperation in Sebastian as he says "They mustn't reach the surface." Paul Anderson knew that the greatest threat was the aliens reaching earth, so he didn't put them on earth; he put them 2000 feet beneath the earth, like a ticking time bomb ready to go off. People say the aliens being on earth ruins continuity, again, I don't know why. The aliens were 2000 feet beneath the arctic ice and then get blown to ashes, no evidence. So I don't get that complaint either. The strause brothers just dumped the aliens in any town U.S.A and guess what happens? NOTHING. The aliens just hang out in sewers and hide in bushes, whatever happened to spreading across the globe? The sets in AVP are really impressive and the whole film looks great, almost every shot in AVP is a money shot, where's the shots in AVPR look like a kid playing with his daddy's camera in the dark.
Now let's get to the biggest reason I like this movie: it lives up to its title: 'Alien vs. Predator'. Unlike 'Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem', which should have been called "Predator Slaughters Aliens: Retarded." I'd hate to turn this thread into another "Which creature got the short end of the stick?" thread. But let's be honest here, this is an Alien vs. Predator film, so logically, both sides are going to have to deal with losses. Both sides are going to fight each other, both sides are going to have their wins and both sides are going to have their losses. In all the years that I've been here I've never seen any Alien fan complain about the alien's treatment in AVP, when they have more of a right to be upset than the predator fans.
Let's look at the score board.
Alien humiliating moments:
1. Alien gets kicked into a pillar.
2. Alien gets his tail cut off.
3. Alien gets smashed into a pillar.
4. Alien gets swung around by his leg and smashed into more pillars and tossed across a room.
5. Alien gets caught in a net and smashes through the floor.
6. Alien gets his head cut off in a second.
7. Flashback of an Alien head on a predator spear.
8. 3 predators take out a dozen aliens.
9. Scar throws an alien into a statue.
10. Alien gets killed with a spear by a human.
11. Alien gets tuned into a shield and spear.
12. Alien gets its brains blown out by a human.
13. Scar kills 3 aliens in the hallway.
Predator humiliating moments:
1. Gill gets killed by an alien and then tossed aside.
2. Celtic gets tackled to the ground.
3. Celtic gets tripped by Grid.
4. Celtic gets killed after a long and brutal fight. (How is that humiliating?)
5. 3 predators get killed by a dozen aliens. (Again, how is that humiliating?)
6. Scar gets tackled by an Alien. (Which he immediately responds by tossing the alien into a statue. I wish the aliens in AVPR had that response time.)
7. Scar gets saved by Lex. (A favor he returns later on.)
And to this day, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Predator fan boys still think Paul Anderson was a biased alien fan boy. Paul W.S Anderson gave us a fair and balanced movie and anyone who thinks otherwise is a selfish predator fan boy. I could make a list of all the humiliating moments for both creatures in AVPR but I think you all know that it would be completely pointless and one sided. Also, here's an interesting thing to think about: did a predator ever get killed by a human in AVP? No. Did an Alien? Twice. Think about that the next time you want to call Paul Anderson biased. It's just beyond me, why predator fans keep whining like they were delt a horrible injustice. Apparently, if you show any kind of respect to the aliens, you're an alien fan boy. This wasn't Predator 3 so stop acting like the predators needed to be treated better; Aliens need their moments of glory too.
AVPR is the worst movie in the series; it had absolutely nothing going for it, except, maybe, a nice predator suit.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jun 20, 2012, 08:35:42 AM
I just dug up My Copy of AVP and decided to watch it again after so many years and I got to say: I actually like it.
AVP has all the proper pacing of an alien or predator movie. It starts off slow and lets you get to know the characters a bit before they are killed off. Alexa woods was a good character, I don't care what anyone says. We got to know her profession, her strong and determined personality, a little background on her and her father. If that's not a well rounded character what the hell is? I know more about her than I ever did about Ripley. Charles Bishop Weyland was also a great character; His determination to leave his mark on the world was very compelling to me. One Complaint I can't stand from people is the one where people say Charles ruins continuity because he was shows up in Alien 3. People who say this are retarded, never in Alien 3 does Bishop II ever say his name, he never said his name was Charles, so obviously he's Charles' descendent. The concept of Predators helping humans build pyramids didn't bother me at all, it's a well known theory that humans built the pyramids with alien help so I don't understand why predator fans are so offended by the idea, since it turns out the only reason they built the pyramids was so they could hunt Aliens. Unlike AVPR, the Aliens threat to the world was felt; you could feel the desperation in Sebastian as he says "They mustn't reach the surface." Paul Anderson knew that the greatest threat was the aliens reaching earth, so he didn't put them on earth; he put them 2000 feet beneath the earth, like a ticking time bomb ready to go off. People say the aliens being on earth ruins continuity, again, I don't know why. The aliens were 2000 feet beneath the arctic ice and then get blown to ashes, no evidence. So I don't get that complaint either. The strause brothers just dumped the aliens in any town U.S.A and guess what happens? NOTHING. The aliens just hang out in sewers and hide in bushes, whatever happened to spreading across the globe? The sets in AVP are really impressive and the whole film looks great, almost every shot in AVP is a money shot, where's the shots in AVPR look like a kid playing with his daddy's camera in the dark.
Now let's get to the biggest reason I like this movie: it lives up to its title: 'Alien vs. Predator'. Unlike 'Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem', which should have been called "Predator Slaughters Aliens: Retarded." I'd hate to turn this thread into another "Which creature got the short end of the stick?" thread. But let's be honest here, this is an Alien vs. Predator film, so logically, both sides are going to have to deal with losses. Both sides are going to fight each other, both sides are going to have their wins and both sides are going to have their losses. In all the years that I've been here I've never seen any Alien fan complain about the alien's treatment in AVP, when they have more of a right to be upset than the predator fans.
Let's look at the score board.
Alien humiliating moments:
1. Alien gets kicked into a pillar.
2. Alien gets his tail cut off.
3. Alien gets smashed into a pillar.
4. Alien gets swung around by his leg and smashed into more pillars and tossed across a room.
5. Alien gets caught in a net and smashes through the floor.
6. Alien gets his head cut off in a second.
7. Flashback of an Alien head on a predator spear.
8. 3 predators take out a dozen aliens.
9. Scar throws an alien into a statue.
10. Alien gets killed with a spear by a human.
11. Alien gets tuned into a shield and spear.
12. Alien gets its brains blown out by a human.
13. Scar kills 3 aliens in the hallway.
1. to kill Celtic in the end, eventually
2. see above
3. see above
4. see above; but before that, melts Celtic's armour away.
5. again, see above
7. so?
8. for about 4 seconds before they are finally overrun
9. is that so impossible?
10. I'll give you that
11. the Alien was dead so I'm not seeing the problem
12. it was a clear target, no reason why Lex couldn't shoot it
Anderson's film was as balanced as we'll get in a major feature film but he is a self-admitted Alien fan boy so yes, I still believe his film had a slight Alien bias.
QuoteAVP has all the proper pacing of an alien or predator movie. It starts off slow and lets you get to know the characters a bit before they are killed off. Alexa woods was a good character, I don't care what anyone says. We got to know her profession, her strong and determined personality, a little background on her and her father. If that's not a well rounded character what the hell is?
Miller and Weyland.
Both way more well rounded than Lex, while still being not much more than cardboard cutouts. Lex is exactly the same at the end as she is at the start. ie. One dimensional.
AvP tries to have the proper pacing, but doesn't used the build up to create any tension nor to develop the characters. As soon as you see Miller's kids you know he's dead. Sebastian is dull. Stafford could've been interesting but isn't. Verheiden is a simple prick. Ditto Quinn. Thomas and Rousseau are non-entities.
At least Miller shows he's a weedy dweeb with balls (before dying seconds later) and Weyland shows he's not the one dimensional corporate arsehole everyone expected.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Jun 20, 2012, 08:35:42 AM
I just dug up My Copy of AVP and decided to watch it again after so many years and I got to say: I actually like it.
AVP has all the proper pacing of an alien or predator movie. It starts off slow and lets you get to know the characters a bit before they are killed off. Alexa woods was a good character, I don't care what anyone says. We got to know her profession, her strong and determined personality, a little background on her and her father. If that's not a well rounded character what the hell is? I know more about her than I ever did about Ripley. Charles Bishop Weyland was also a great character; His determination to leave his mark on the world was very compelling to me. One Complaint I can't stand from people is the one where people say Charles ruins continuity because he shows up in Alien 3. People who say this are retarded, never in Alien 3 does Bishop II ever say his name, he never said his name was Charles, so obviously he's Charles' descendent. The concept of Predators helping humans build pyramids didn't bother me at all, it's a well known theory that humans built the pyramids with alien help so I don't understand why predator fans are so offended by the idea, since it turns out the only reason they built the pyramids was so they could hunt Aliens. Unlike AVPR, the Aliens threat to the world was felt; you could feel the desperation in Sebastian as he says "They mustn't reach the surface." Paul Anderson knew that the greatest threat was the aliens reaching earth, so he didn't put them on earth; he put them 2000 feet beneath the earth, like a ticking time bomb ready to go off. People say the aliens being on earth ruins continuity, again, I don't know why. The aliens were 2000 feet beneath the arctic ice and then get blown to ashes, no evidence. So I don't get that complaint either. The strause brothers just dumped the aliens in any town U.S.A and guess what happens? NOTHING. The aliens just hang out in sewers and hide in bushes, whatever happened to spreading across the globe? The sets in AVP are really impressive and the whole film looks great, almost every shot in AVP is a money shot, where's the shots in AVPR look like a kid playing with his daddy's camera in the dark.
Now let's get to the biggest reason I like this movie: it lives up to its title: 'Alien vs. Predator'. Unlike 'Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem', which should have been called "Predator Slaughters Aliens: Retarded." I'd hate to turn this thread into another "Which creature got the short end of the stick?" thread. But let's be honest here, this is an Alien vs. Predator film, so logically, both sides are going to have to deal with losses. Both sides are going to fight each other, both sides are going to have their wins and both sides are going to have their losses. In all the years that I've been here I've never seen any Alien fan complain about the alien's treatment in AVP, when they have more of a right to be upset than the predator fans.
Let's look at the score board.
Alien humiliating moments:
1. Alien gets kicked into a pillar.
2. Alien gets his tail cut off.
3. Alien gets smashed into a pillar.
4. Alien gets swung around by his leg and smashed into more pillars and tossed across a room.
5. Alien gets caught in a net and smashes through the floor.
6. Alien gets his head cut off in a second.
7. Flashback of an Alien head on a predator spear.
8. 3 predators take out a dozen aliens.
9. Scar throws an alien into a statue.
10. Alien gets killed with a spear by a human.
11. Alien gets tuned into a shield and spear.
12. Alien gets its brains blown out by a human.
13. Scar kills 3 aliens in the hallway.
Predator humiliating moments:
1. Gill gets killed by an alien and then tossed aside.
2. Celtic gets tackled to the ground.
3. Celtic gets tripped by Grid.
4. Celtic gets killed after a long and brutal fight. (How is that humiliating?)
5. 3 predators get killed by a dozen aliens. (Again, how is that humiliating?)
6. Scar gets tackled by an Alien. (Which he immediately responds by tossing the alien into a statue. I wish the aliens in AVPR had that response time.)
7. Scar gets saved by Lex. (A favor he returns later on.)
And to this day, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Predator fan boys still think Paul Anderson was a biased alien fan boy. Paul W.S Anderson gave us a fair and balanced movie and anyone who thinks otherwise is a selfish predator fan boy. I could make a list of all the humiliating moments for both creatures in AVPR but I think you all know that it would be completely pointless and one sided. Also, here's an interesting thing to think about: did a predator ever get killed by a human in AVP? No. Did an Alien? Twice. Think about that the next time you want to call Paul Anderson biased. It's just beyond me, why predator fans keep whining like they were delt a horrible injustice. Apparently, if you show any kind of respect to the aliens, you're an alien fan boy. This wasn't Predator 3 so stop acting like the predators needed to be treated better; Aliens need their moments of glory too.
AVPR is the worst movie in the series; it had absolutely nothing going for it, except, maybe, a nice predator suit.
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I voted AvP. I thought it was the superior film.
Looks like AVP-R is gaining up!
About time.
80 more votes with none going to AvP. Easy. Should have caught up by the time they remake it.
We need to take bets on AvPR surpassing votes before A:CM arrvies.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 08, 2012, 12:09:15 AM
We need to take bets on AvPR surpassing votes before A:CM arrvies.
I'm in for that, what are we betting though?
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 08, 2012, 12:09:15 AM
We need to take bets on AvPR surpassing votes before A:CM arrvies.
Lol
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 07, 2012, 11:22:41 PM
About time.
What?!
Hah, I still remember when it was in advantage... and when AvP slowly caught up. That day was a party over there, we were all acting like drunkards, ahahahha.
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 08, 2012, 01:15:40 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 08, 2012, 12:09:15 AM
We need to take bets on AvPR surpassing votes before A:CM arrvies.
I'm in for that, what are we betting though?
I have no idea, lol.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 08, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 08, 2012, 01:15:40 AM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Aug 08, 2012, 12:09:15 AM
We need to take bets on AvPR surpassing votes before A:CM arrvies.
I'm in for that, what are we betting though?
I have no idea, lol.
Well, when we start the bets, I bet that AVP will still be leading in the polls after colonial marines is released
*quickly leaves thread and starts spam creating hundreds of accounts to vote for AVP with*
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 08, 2012, 08:46:09 PM
*quickly leaves thread and starts spam creating hundreds of accounts to vote for AVP with*
My hero.
Whew, what a tough call. I don't like either movie very much although I do enjoy some fight scenes from both. I would say overall the original was the better movie, but the sequel had a better premise. I thought a good director would have really made the premise of a cleaner predator purging an alien outbreak on Earth enjoyable. The first one had better camera shots, (and you could actually see what was going on!) plot, and writing. Don't get me wrong, I feel that it was lackluster, but less so than it's successor.
Quote from: Jegeren on Aug 10, 2012, 01:59:09 AM
Whew, what a tough call. I don't like either movie very much although I do enjoy some fight scenes from both. I would say overall the original was the better movie, but the sequel had a better premise. I thought a good director would have really made the premise of a cleaner predator purging an alien outbreak on Earth enjoyable. The first one had better camera shots, (and you could actually see what was going on!) plot, and writing. Don't get me wrong, I feel that it was lackluster, but less so than it's successor.
This. The first one indeed had the better camera shots because you could acutally see what was going on. I liked the story more of AvP and the acting was miles better than AvPR.
The first film has fight sceneS?
Could'a fooled me. Queen and Lex/Scar looked more like race.
Oh, the Déjà vu ness.
I don't even need to explain why it is s fight.
First one has better fights and better looking production values all round. The aliens look great but the down side is the preds look gay.
Second film looks bleak and dark (too much so) which is nice and the pred looks aggressive and super cool again. Down side is you can't see anything, the aliens look poor this time and production values look cheap. Oh and the hybrid was a poor design.
The first one was boring as all hell. The only true fight in that film as far I'm concerned is Grid/Celtic and its opening seconds were embarrassing to see. As bad as AvP:R looked, it had stuff happening.
AvP or AvP:R is like picking your favourite STD
Both piss on a long established series, f**k up continuity and are completely unfaithful arguably the two most iconic monsters in sci fi/horror
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 15, 2012, 11:55:57 PM
The first one was boring as all hell. The only true fight in that film as far I'm concerned is Grid/Celtic and its opening seconds were embarrassing to see. As bad as AvP:R looked, it had stuff happening.
Really, silly, mindbogglingly stupid stuff, from which no one walked away with any sort of dignity.
I so want to talk about Grid vs Celtic...but suddenly I realize that I, and so many others, have already done that to death.
Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2012, 12:09:17 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 15, 2012, 11:55:57 PM
The first one was boring as all hell. The only true fight in that film as far I'm concerned is Grid/Celtic and its opening seconds were embarrassing to see. As bad as AvP:R looked, it had stuff happening.
Really, silly, mindbogglingly stupid stuff, from which no one walked away with any sort of dignity.
Still kept me entertained more so than AvP.
This thread goes in cycles.
It's... it's like BattleStar Galactica but with Doom and everyone else talking about AvPR. Same beats every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AuxJH2Mj30# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AuxJH2Mj30#)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2012, 03:51:05 PMStill kept me entertained more so than AvP.
AvP is the technically superior film. Better setting, better lighting, better cinematography, more mature cast...and yet AvP-R has more entertainment value. AvP-R can be viewed as mindless popcorn action entertainment. Turn off your brain and watch the predator destroy aliens, the aliens destroy humans, etc. Predator fans can at least get a kick out of Wolf's high killcount.
AvP has no entertainment value whatsoever. Perhaps alien fans can get a kick out of Grid's performance, but still far less than the entertainment predator fans can get from Wolf's performance.
Quote from: happypred on Aug 19, 2012, 11:22:39 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2012, 03:51:05 PMStill kept me entertained more so than AvP.
AvP is the technically superior film. Better setting, better lighting, better cinematography, more mature cast...and yet AvP-R has more entertainment value. AvP-R can be viewed as mindless popcorn action entertainment. Turn off your brain and watch the predator destroy aliens, the aliens destroy humans, etc. Predator fans can at least get a kick out of Wolf's high killcount.
AvP has no entertainment value whatsoever. Perhaps alien fans can get a kick out of Grid's performance, but still far less than the entertainment predator fans can get from Wolf's performance.
It's pornography for Predator Fan Boys, the tag line should have been "F**k Aliens"
Quote from: happypred on Aug 19, 2012, 11:22:39 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 16, 2012, 03:51:05 PMStill kept me entertained more so than AvP.
AvP is the technically superior film. Better setting, better lighting, better cinematography, more mature cast...and yet AvP-R has more entertainment value. AvP-R can be viewed as mindless popcorn action entertainment. Turn off your brain and watch the predator destroy aliens, the aliens destroy humans, etc. Predator fans can at least get a kick out of Wolf's high killcount.
AvP has no entertainment value whatsoever. Perhaps alien fans can get a kick out of Grid's performance, but still far less than the entertainment predator fans can get from Wolf's performance.
Pretty much. AvP to me is trying to be something it isn't in that it wants to contend with the original flicks. AvP:R knows its dumb and doesn't take it seriously. It couldn't, given its presentation.
While AVP certainly isn't as good as the originals, I respect it for the amount of respect that it showed to the films that preceded it. It (for the most part) handled both species with care, and I honestly doubt any future AVP film will find a better balance between the two monsters' powers and skills than this film did. I quite liked the inclusion of Weyland Industries, and the pyramid was an amazing set piece and very in-line with the type of stuff found in the Alien series. I also love the fact that, despite it being set on Earth (it definitely should have been in space), they gave us a logical reason behind it and made sure that even though it was on Earth it doesn't mess with anything that the Alien movies stood for. With AVPR, when Aliens were running around in a town on modern day Earth, it almost seemed like a slap in the face to Ripley's sacrifice in Alien 3.
How so? The films aren't connected.
Before Prometheus, the AVP films were, for all intents and purposes, Alien prequels. I know, simply because of the quality of the films, a lot of people didn't view them that way (I didn't, but that's besides the point).
But what I was getting at was not so much chronology, but moreso portrayal of the creatures (in AVPR). If AVPR was a demonstration of what would happen should Aliens ever get on Earth, I'd say the characters in the Alien films overreacted a bit in their attempts to keep them off the planet (and in AVP, the same can be applied for the Preds who tried to keep them from reaching the surface). I would expect that, if Aliens were to infest Earth, we would have a scenario like the one the marines stumbled upon in Aliens, although on a much larger scale. We never really saw that in AVPR.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2012, 04:36:04 PM
Before Prometheus, the AVP films were, for all intents and purposes, Alien prequels. I know, simply because of the quality of the films, a lot of people didn't view them that way (I didn't, but that's besides the point).
But what I was getting at was not so much chronology, but moreso portrayal of the creatures (in AVPR). If AVPR was a demonstration of what would happen should Aliens ever get on Earth, I'd say the characters in the Alien films overreacted a bit in their attempts to keep them off the planet (and in AVP, the same can be applied for the Preds who tried to keep them from reaching the surface). I would expect that, if Aliens were to infest Earth, we would have a scenario like the one the marines stumbled upon in Aliens, although on a much larger scale. We never really saw that in AVPR.
I agree that what the aliens are capable of doing if they ever reached earth was never explored or shown to its true potential in AvPR. For the most, the town in AvPR didn't even feel like it had been infested with aliens. It never felt like that the aliens had taken over the town because it was only shown in bits and most of it was just the aftermath.
I vote neither... They both sucked.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Aug 20, 2012, 06:07:52 PM
I agree that what the aliens are capable of doing if they ever reached earth was never explored or shown to its true potential in AvPR. For the most, the town in AvPR didn't even feel like it had been infested with aliens. It never felt like that the aliens had taken over the town because it was only shown in bits and most of it was just the aftermath.
I think that's due to Wolf managing to get some small foothold on the Alien infestation but also because the town itself seemed pretty well isolated from any major city.
Considering Buddy, Sam and the two bums got hugged and burstered. And if four Aliens came out of the woman bum, that gives us a total of 8 Aliens. By the time they leave the sports store five are dead. Wolf sees three (very noisily) head into the hospital. 10 more are killed in the hospital or the roof.
Doesn't leave many Aliens for the townspeople to shoot in the centre of town.
Plot holes granted, they likely were coming from people we hadn't seen on-screen.
Chet got incredibly busy in a couple of minutes to make enough Aliens to start screwing the town over.
Got me timings mixed up. I thought the preggo bursters in the hospital happened after the army guy told Morales to be in the town square in 30 minutes. If you add in 4 bursters from the chick in the diner, plus another 12 from the mat ward, there's an extra 16. Plus original 8, theres 24, then take away 15 killed. Doesn't exactly scream "infestation" to be honest...
I'm pretty sure the national guard shoot more Aliens than logically could've been left from the sewer, let alone the ones that actually kill them. The whole timing of the thing doesn't make sense. It's like Aliens just magic themselves into existence once Chet walks out of the sewer.
I may be misreading, but is anyone counting the waitress? Not sure if we are counting the deleted scenes here, but she was preggers and she also got Preg-bursted.
Yeah I factored four bursters from her.
We're given the impression that the Aliens are all over the hospital AND centre of town, but considering the lack of huggers and on screen deaths, ehh, not really.
I've only seen the film once and don't remember many of the details, but could they have potentially come from the women in the hospital? Or was there not enough time between the bursting/the Alien 'infestation' (if you can even call it that)?
The hospital is towards the end of the movie, after the town gets screwed over.
I mean, there's a flipped over, burning car within an hour or so of the Aliens leaving the sewer. Why?
Maybe Predator guns are just naturally attracted to mechanical objects? Would explain why the ones at the beginning tool the whole ship down. ;)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 29, 2012, 02:44:14 AM
I've only seen the film once and don't remember many of the details, but could they have potentially come from the women in the hospital? Or was there not enough time between the bursting/the Alien 'infestation' (if you can even call it that)?
I've been updating the Alien Timeline with AvP:Poo and Prometheus, which lead to me having to watch the former again. The women at the hospital get barfed in while Dallas et al. are holed up at the sports store. They burst just after they escape the sports store. The power goes off at 10:10pm and Morales speaks to Stevens at around 1:30am. So she and the others in maternity are impregnated and bursts between those times.
Factor in AvP with the < 10 minute life cycle, and you could have full size Aliens from the women by the time Dallas and co end up at the hospital. The huggers who got the hunter and his kid however, seem to have normal life cycles akin to the ones in the Alien films (about 9-10 hours in this instance), rather than the stupidity of AvP.
QuoteI mean, there's a flipped over, burning car within an hour or so of the Aliens leaving the sewer. Why?
When you need to say "CHAOS!", nothing says it like a flipped over, burning car...
Rhyme? Reason? They need them not...
Why is it on fire?
*runs in circles, arms flailing*
Someone swevered to avoid an Alien in the road and rolled the car, leaking petrol caught fire.
Happens all the time (in movies).
Especially when it's wet.
(Just ignore the fact it's wet and still on fire...)
Quote from: SiL on Aug 29, 2012, 02:34:39 AM
I'm pretty sure the national guard shoot more Aliens than logically could've been left from the sewer, let alone the ones that actually kill them. The whole timing of the thing doesn't make sense. It's like Aliens just magic themselves into existence once Chet walks out of the sewer.
IIRC, I think only three Aliens, maybe four were killed. As for being shot, well we could get into another "Aliens are supposed to be tough but AvP:R Aliens were weak" argument of sorts, but that's been done to death.
There's no need for that argument again. The Predator pwns Aliens with gay abandon, but the humans seem generally powerless. Kelly seems to shoot a lot of Aliens on the roof, but we never really see them being killed. Just seems to force them back a a bit. 'Cept that one she shoots through the windscreen - that fortunately had no acid blood whatsoever.
I think that was the toughest Alien in the entire film. Even after being blasted with Wolf's hand cannon by Dallas, it was still moving. Piss poor shot in terms of suit work, but tough all the same.
I think the one in the Power Plant was the best one.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 30, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
I think that was the toughest Alien in the entire film. Even after being blasted with Wolf's hand cannon by Dallas, it was still moving. Piss poor shot in terms of suit work, but tough all the same.
The one Kelly shoots off the front of da choppa is different to the one Dallas and Ricky shoot.
I just re-watched the scene. It looks like the same one.
When da choppa takes off there's two bodies. One at the front that Kelly shot and another at the side that Dallas shot.
Where did the second one come from?
QuoteOne at the front that Kelly shot and another at the side that Dallas shot.
The one that Dallas show was already injured, hence why it was crawling towards Ricky. It couldn't have been the one that was over his head in an earlier scene because its head was gone.
Alien crawls towards chopper (on hands and knees. Ugh.)
Ricky shoots it.
Dallas blows its head open with the Predator pistol.
Ricky shoots it some more.
It dies.
The end.
Yes, I remember how it happened but what I'm wondering is where the heck did it crawl from in the first place.
You do remember which movie we're talking about, right?
I think there's some stairs leading up to the helipad and it came from there. Why it was crawling is because it's AvP:Poo. Bad editing around a shoddy Alien performance I reckon.
Couldn't they of gotten a taller and lithe performer(s)?
Or, at the very least, darkened the image so we couldn't notice the difference?
Oh...wait...
I'm sure I read that second unit shot a lot of the Alien stuff on the roof, and Zee Strauses weren't very happy with how it came out. The shot of the Alien crawling away on hands and knees is especially shit.
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2012, 11:23:29 PM
You do remember which movie we're talking about, right?
I think there's some stairs leading up to the helipad and it came from there. Why it was crawling is because it's AvP:Poo. Bad editing around a shoddy Alien performance I reckon.
Colin admitted that was a lousy shot. Anyway, I just assumed the crawling Alien was the one that Kelly shot and it quickly recovered.
Isn't the crawling one eventually killed by the pizza kid with a pistol....
A pistol
No it was mostly killed by the Predator gun.
After he was impaled by the Predaliens tail he manages to finish of a dying Alien with a pistol.... one handed..
What were they thinking?!!!
The Alien was already half-past gone. And yes, the Predalien only got him through the shoulder so that wouldn't have immobilized him.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Sep 06, 2012, 04:48:04 PM
After he was impaled by the Predaliens tail he manages to finish of a dying Alien with a pistol.... one handed..
What were they thinking?!!!
As much as the film sucks almighty balls, Ricky shoots it a few times, Dallas blows a big chunk out of it's head with the Predator gun, it staggers up and Ricky shoots it few more times and it eventually falls as they take off. Not really seeing an issue.
I vote Avp, is much better than AvpR
I voted for AVP-R. The reason behind this is because the predator in that film was more akin to the original Predator from the first film. He wasnt so bulky and ungainly like the predators from AVP. I also like how they showed more predator technology and the planet that they come from, that was original and I enjoyed the new insights very much. Dont get me wrong all the films are good in my opinion, cause im a hardcore fan. But thats the reasoning behind why I picked AVP-R over AVP.
Quote from: JayBob1984 on Dec 21, 2012, 07:09:57 PM
Dont get me wrong all the films are good in my opinion
You're a very tolerant individual. Generous too.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 22, 2012, 12:37:43 AM
Quote from: JayBob1984 on Dec 21, 2012, 07:09:57 PM
Dont get me wrong all the films are good in my opinion
You're a very tolerant individual. Generous too.
Its hard to dislike anything Alien/Predator when your a hardcore fan, regardless of the pros and cons of the movies.
I, along with quite a few others here, would disagree with that. But, to each his own.
Quote from: JayBob1984 on Dec 22, 2012, 05:16:09 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 22, 2012, 12:37:43 AM
Quote from: JayBob1984 on Dec 21, 2012, 07:09:57 PM
Dont get me wrong all the films are good in my opinion
You're a very tolerant individual. Generous too.
Its hard to dislike anything Alien/Predator when your a hardcore fan, regardless of the pros and cons of the movies.
I'll admit, I'm right there in the same boat, JayBob.
Dude, you hate AvP:R.
Well I can see his point. I too hate AVP:R but there are things I like about it.
As do I. I recognize it's a ghastly film but it is dumb fun.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 24, 2012, 04:02:57 AM
As do I. I recognize it's a ghastly film but it is dumb fun.
Its like the greatest demo reel that ADI has made.
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Dec 24, 2012, 04:31:54 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 24, 2012, 04:02:57 AM
As do I. I recognize it's a ghastly film but it is dumb fun.
Its like the greatest demo reel that ADI has made.
Guilty pleasure. we are on the same boat.
They both suck. But if you hold a gun to my head and make me choose one, AvPR because Colorado is my home state.
Quote from: demonbane on Jan 16, 2013, 02:22:18 AM
Quote from: cloverfan98 on Dec 24, 2012, 04:31:54 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 24, 2012, 04:02:57 AM
As do I. I recognize it's a ghastly film but it is dumb fun.
Its like the greatest demo reel that ADI has made.
Guilty pleasure. we are on the same boat.
I don't believe in guilty pleasures. If you like something, why feel guilty about it?
But in the movie the victims wouldn't be teenagers or waiters etc, and aliens plus any other possible fighting force are dumbs as f*ck. Really, what's the point? I mean, it's not friday the 13th (not that those are bad movies, but different).
So? If you like, you like it. Who cares?
Yea, dunno if I do or not.
I liked AVP, because if I'm gonna introduce a young fan to either franchises, I'm not gonna scare him/her half to death and drive him/her away from them by showing him/her the first Predator or Alien Movie.
Also because I love the Celtic Predator.
Know that I mean?
You're going to introduce a young fan by using the worst film possible?
Sure.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2013, 03:15:25 AM
You're going to introduce a young fan by using the worst film possible?
Sure.
There are worse. Like Alien Resurrection and Karate Kid/AVPR. Or Predators
He said 'young fan'.
He also said 'AvP'.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2013, 03:15:25 AM
You're going to introduce a young fan by using the worst film possible?
Sure.
That way it gets better from there if you want to get technical.
And how fans can choose Requiem over AVP I'll never know.
Quote from: GET TO THE CHOPPA! on Feb 20, 2013, 03:19:41 AM
And how fans can choose Requiem over AVP I'll never know.
Me neither. How can someone pick a generic, small town monster flick with teen drama and a monster in Bob Marley hair over a comic bookybut "fun" popcorn flick but with great designs, scope and actual buildup, puzzles me as well
Speaking for myself, I chose the movie that actually stuff going on it rather than random scenes of people running down various dark corridors.
AvP is the better film, AvP-R is the more entertaining (in a "mindless popcorn fun" way)
Meaning if you lack a mind - you'll dig it?
In my opinion, AVP is the better film and more entertaining.
Helps that it respected both creatures and told an interesting story that (at the time) sat well within the 'canon' of both the Alien and Predator series.
I'm still standing by my original statement of,
"It's like picking your favourite STD"
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 20, 2013, 11:38:57 PM
"It's like picking your favourite STD"
AVP isn't that bad...its quite enjoyable, actually. A decent film with its heart in the right place, some cool homages to what came before it, and an interesting enough story to hold up on its own and incorporate both creatures in a way that makes sense.
Hang on - you're talking about AvP right?
AvP is terrible on so many levels,
Poor script,
Forgettable characters
SET ON EARTH IN PRESENT DAY
No Marines
Bad Creature design
Terrible action sequences
I could go on but....
Quote from: SM on Feb 21, 2013, 12:27:28 AM
Hang on - you're talking about AvP right?
Yeah. Certainly not AVPR, if that's what you're asking.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 21, 2013, 12:39:40 AM
Poor script,
Forgettable characters
Bad Creature design
Terrible action sequences
That's your opinion, so I can't argue there.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 21, 2013, 12:39:40 AM
SET ON EARTH IN PRESENT DAY
They made it feel natural within the established A/P universe. Its not like the creatures were running around in a city during the present day when they really shouldn't be discovered for another 100 years or so.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 21, 2013, 12:39:40 AM
No Marines
I've seen plenty of good films that didn't have marines. Heck, most of the A/P films didn't even have marines in them!
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 21, 2013, 12:39:40 AM
AvP is terrible on so many levels,
It is, but on many its not
QuotePoor script,
But firm idea. Great setting, great designs, great basic idea of finding an ancient building in a remote place and being trapped there, and good amount of ideas from the original AVP comic. AND it actually has quite a buildup, sense of big scope and isolation and claustrophobia and some nice shots. I like the opening imagery of the Queens silhouette. Some ship shots are great too
QuoteForgettable characters
Most of them yeah. But they were just meat for aliens, like prisoners in A3. The goofy guy and Weyland were pretty well defined
QuoteSET ON EARTH IN PRESENT DAY
Almost in words only It can as well be distant planet. Its the same principle as The Thing. Antarctica is such a remote and hostile place, its basically like a different planet far away from any help or world
QuoteNo Marines
I dont see it as being a problem. Marines? Weve been there, done that
QuoteBad Creature design
Thats true. Its the same god awful, cockroachy, Pumpkinhead-like, fleshy, terrible, idiotic design that the one from A:R. But I give Anderson credit for at least shooting them well. Example of similar shots of the same creature from A:R and AVP
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At least he went back to the approach of the first 3 movies and shot them in quick cuts or hidden in the darkness. And at least he went back to screeching as oppose to that generic growl from A:R.
QuoteTerrible action sequences
True
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2013, 10:25:24 AM
Meaning if you lack a mind - you'll dig it?
More like you might enjoy it if you switch off your higher reasoning faculties and view it as a lightweight B-movie (unintentionally funny at times). I also find that AvPR is slightly more rewatchable than AvP. This is relative though because objectively, neither has much rewatch value
AVP has rewatch value, in my opinion. I'm actually kind of in the mood to see it again (its probably been a year and a half or so since I've watched it). Its not the greatest movie in the world and it falls short of most of the standalone A/P films but it is very rewatchable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgujnhl3_g#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgujnhl3_g#noexternalembed-ws)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2013, 02:13:10 AM
AVP has rewatch value, in my opinion. I'm actually kind of in the mood to see it again (its probably been a year and a half or so since I've watched it). Its not the greatest movie in the world and it falls short of most of the standalone A/P films but it is very rewatchable.
Indeed, I seems to me that you, me, and few others are the only ones that honestly like AVP for valid reasons.
But all I can really say on this subject is:
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Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 21, 2013, 02:16:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgujnhl3_g#noexternalembed-ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgujnhl3_g#noexternalembed-ws)
Thats a classic
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2013, 10:25:24 AM
Meaning if you lack a mind - you'll dig it?
Hate to say it, but yes. AvP:R is very much mindless fun.
I like both about equally.
Avp was better in terms of setting. The underground pyramid was a pretty awesome concept. But AvP: R's setting was kinda eeehhh.... I didn't like the pool scene or the hospital scene. But the 'aliens in the sewer' concept was pretty awesome. I didn't care for the characters in either of the films. But my personal favorite has to be AvP: R. I loved its action scenes more that AvP and I liked the fact that there was only one predator, rather than a pack of them. Also, I saw it on Christmas day with my dad so it has some sentimental value for me too. :)
An alien fan made AVP
A pair of Predator fans made AVP R
Neither had much else going for them imo besides the creatures
tbh I've always thought that Predators > Soldiers (who are armed) > Aliens after all, Ripley was able to go in and out of the hive alone, and the aliens had a tough time getting the survivors after they cut the power... and also had trouble killing vasquez and drake when they were using their smartguns.
So naturally I was happier with AVP R but neither film "blew my socks off"
Imo certain idea's from the first AVP where great, and executed well. The setting is what killed it for me as well as the "wanna be Ripley" feel i get from the female lead. In both AVP's all the human's are very, VERY forgettable.
AVP: R had 2 things going for it, the Pred-Alien and the "Elite Hunter", both weren't executed very well, the setting for this film was even worse than the first films.
AvP is the better of the two for sure though.
I think Anderson's heart was in the right place with his movie. On reflection, I really do mean that. I think he wanted to make a good movie but just couldn't pull it off. That said, I still believe that while AvP:R is the worse of the two, it's still more fun.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 12, 2013, 02:48:25 AM
I think he wanted to make a good movie but just couldn't pull it off.
That pretty much sums up Paul W.S. Anderson's movie making career.
No one sets out to make a shit movie.
Uwe Boll might disagree with you.
Quote from: SM on Mar 12, 2013, 05:00:49 AM
No one sets out to make a shit movie.
Have you seen an Asylum movie lately?
To be fair, AvPR does present what many fans thought they wanted from an alien movie, a setting on Earth where a town or community is under attack and the stakes are high. So I don't think it's necessarily the setting that dooms it. As has been said many times though, the execution was flawed.
I think AvP is arguably a more well put together film, but it had a greater budget and was done under a more relaxed schedule. I'm pretty convinced that had AvPR had the same budget and wasn't shot in a hurried fashion, it would have turned out just as good. AvP tends to fall over its own ideas. Case in point, it takes the 'human teams up with predator to escape/take on the aliens' idea from the comics, but neglects to earn it by providing a build-up or logic to it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 12, 2013, 05:08:44 AM
Uwe Boll might disagree with you.
And his movies aren't even so bad that they end up being good, they're just terrible...Have you seen "Tunnel Rats"?
God no. I can't be bothered.
Quote from: redxavier on Mar 12, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
To be fair, AvPR does present what many fans thought they wanted from an alien movie, a setting on Earth where a town or community is under attack and the stakes are high.
But the thing is, the stakes really arent high. What Ripley always feared and cautioned against was that the organism is too dangerous and cannot land on Earth or it would mean doom for humanity. Prometheus itself points out that its a biological weapon, capable of spreading fast and wiping out the enemy. Even its creators couldnt control it. Aliens Book One comic book continuation of Aliens presented the scenario of aliens appearing on Earth, eventually leading to fast mass infestation all over the globe and evacuation of the planet. And yet in AVPR the aliens conveniently stop in one place when they have wildflife all over and life on entire planet. But they conveniently stay within city limits. Book One presented a horrific and realistic outbreak. It takes one unaware person that travels to a different country in business
The biggest issue with AVPR is that it became a teen horror movie with teen characters and typical slasher setting of a small hick town
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 12, 2013, 06:02:42 PM
The biggest issue with AVPR is that it became a teen horror movie with teen characters and typical slasher setting of a small hick town
This.
Although i think all AVP films should take place in the future, AVPR should have been based in the south, Like Louisiana. It would have made things much more interesting, Wolf would have been more in the Predator element, and the amount of mullets in the movie would have been a hell of a sight
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 12, 2013, 06:02:42 PM
Prometheus itself points out that its a biological weapon, capable of spreading fast and wiping out the enemy. Even its creators couldnt control it.
I don't remember any Aliens in Prometheus.
Avp is the better of the two.
But honestly if they were executed better, with the right rating and set in the future, we could have had two good maybe even great movies.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Dec 27, 2007, 04:15:06 AM
They both sucked.
But at least Anderson's Aliens were not useless and didn't look like men-in-suits from beginning to end.
They still sucked though. Those suits were the same one's used A:R but just painted black. And the CGI was pretty bad on them too. But I agree at least the fights were more equal in the first film. Where AvP R is basically Predator 3 with cameos by weak aliens.
Are you sure about the suit colour? The Res suits were all black from what I remember whereas I think AvP's had a little blue on them. Of course, it could have just been the lighting at times.
The Res suits were actually brown. The AVP suits were repainted black with silver mix and the lower jaw was changed
I don't think the lower jaw was changed.
But yes, Res suits were brown with black highlights. Much like the previous ones the color scheme 'fluctuated' depending on the lighting. AvP Aliens were repainted with jet black tones and silver highlights, though you can't really see that in the film. The hands were made 'beefier' on Anderson's request.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 12, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 12, 2013, 06:02:42 PM
Prometheus itself points out that its a biological weapon, capable of spreading fast and wiping out the enemy. Even its creators couldnt control it.
I don't remember any Aliens in Prometheus.
They're were aliens in prometheus just not xenos. If that makes sense.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 18, 2013, 06:22:19 AM
I don't think the lower jaw was changed.
But yes, Res suits were brown with black highlights. Much like the previous ones the color scheme 'fluctuated' depending on the lighting. AvP Aliens were repainted with jet black tones and silver highlights, though you can't really see that in the film. The hands were made 'beefier' on Anderson's request.
I never liked the hands from Res and after. Alien 3 being the exception cause of the animal host factor. The jaw hasn't changed. If it has its not instantly noticeable. The suits look the same just with a different colour scheme and the beefier hands look stupid on screen flopping around and that for a split second takes me away from the experience.
I have a picture chart that lists all the Alien suits up to AvP, detailing what changes each underwent for their respective films. I'll post it when I get back home.
I don't know about the rest of you but I am personally a fan of the metallic black color of the Aliens in AvP-R.
Alien vs. Mechagodzilla.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 19, 2013, 04:32:13 PM
I don't know about the rest of you but I am personally a fan of the metallic black color of the Aliens in AvP-R.
I didn't notice any metallic, just black and slimy.
The AvP:R Aliens are the worst ever committed to film in every respect.
AvP was a great movie, and so was AvPR, but AvP comes on top. AvP had a better setting and it was more entertaining. AvPR was fine, but only because of Predalien. Wolf was cool and all, but the film was biased toward the predator. The thing that bugs me is that the aliens in AvPR are just retarded, wolf was able to hold TWO aliens by the throat and kill them both while the aliens were somehow incapable of using their tails. And Predalien is supposed to be a super alien, but he still barely kills Wolf after he is wounded and removes his armor. I guess this film is great for predator fans, but I think it could have been a lot better. Plus, the fact that it was shot in a city with a lot of people, you don't feel anything when someone dies, when in AvP, there was a handful of people and you got to know them so it was exciting when someone was killed off, plus the aliens were actually able to hold their own against the predators. I like both films, I just think AvP is better.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 20, 2013, 02:41:23 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Mar 19, 2013, 04:32:13 PM
I don't know about the rest of you but I am personally a fan of the metallic black color of the Aliens in AvP-R.
I didn't notice any metallic, just black and slimy.
I am obviously refering to the shiny black coloring of the Aliens, which was refered to as a metallic black.
Quote from: SM on Mar 20, 2013, 11:46:06 PM
The AvP:R Aliens are the worst ever committed to film in every respect.
I think the brown coloring for the Resurection Aliens and to an extent the Dog/Ox Alien from Alien 3 is far worse then the AvP-R Aliens.
The Requiem job had the shitty overbite and headribs. Plus the performances were altogther shithouse. Never have they looked so 'guy in a rubber suit'.
Not to mention the oversized necks. I thought they were going to explode at some point.
So nobody here is going to level with me that the coloring on the Aliens was pretty good, hell one of the best in the series. Although it is my personal favourite(suprise!). No point in debating the other aspects of the AvP-R Aliens designs because there is nothing that can be accomplished on that front.
I have no problem with the colouring. But the physical shapes were lousy.
The worst of the performances were mostly on top of the roof. The mouths are what got on my nerves the most.
In my opinion AvP was far superior to its unfortunate sequel for a number of reasons. For starters the cinematography was extremely well donein AvP and you could see everything that was going on and it realy set a mood for the situations, whereas in AvP:R you couldn't see shit for the climax of the film. Furthermore the acting was not the best, but it was still way better than AvP:R's, and the characters were believable to a point. The aliens were cool and looked and acted imposing and the final fight wasn't too guys fighting awkwardly in suits. Plus the setting was very alien despite being placed on earth.
AVP. Despite chopper and celtic's abrupt end, still better than AVPR
recently watched both AvPs and and used to think the first one was better, but after watching the blue ray version of AvPR, i enjoyed it alot more than the 1st avp, the predator teaming up with humens in the 1st film.. terrible idea
My father is not a serious moviegoer. He likes tons of critically torn out movies. I remember back in day when I keep mentioning AVP all the time so sickeningly that adults around me associated me with that name.
My father and I watched both film. After watching the second one, my father told me that the first one was better, more interesting.
What did he think of the second one?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 04, 2013, 10:48:46 PM
What did he think of the second one?
He said it wasn't as entertaining as the first one.
He is pretty casual. He likes even Hitman and American Godzilla. He keeps referencing American Godzilla whenever he thinks of Brookyln bridge.
That shows how much AVPR fails.
Dont like the first but AVPR is pure shit.
IMO
I was just listening to Brian Tyler's AVP-R score again. I'm gonna have to give that movie a watch again. For Halloween's sake. Joe Johnston's The Wolfman too.
I'm going to watch it, Alien, and Predator. Good call man. Time to reconnect.
Ugh, can't believe that AVP is doing better than Requiem. That movie was pure shit with a sideorder of piss and battery acid. How does Anderson keep getting work?! And that commentary, I didn't think much of him before then but after all I could think is what a f**king moron. I can think of only four good things about AVP: 1) Scar's mask looked somewhat like the Predator's in the first film, 2)The chick with the weird hair cut reminded me a bit of Vasquez, 3) I don't know how they got Colin Salmon or Sanaa Lathan (not that her character was really great or anything) but they did, and 4) The inclusion of the Desert Eagle (even if the ones are chambered for .44 Magnum).
AVPR, I feel that it wasn't given much to work with. Like Mortal Kombat: Annihilation it followed another toned down Anderson shitfest, but unlike Annihilation they actually made the sequel work a little.
Though truth be told if a third film ever happens I hope these two are retconned and revealed to be simulations.
I'm seeing four good things about AvP and none about AvP:Poo.
My vote is on AVP.
AVP also gave us a better Queen, a better Predator/Xeno fight scene, a solid lead character, and some lighting.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Oct 24, 2013, 12:37:42 PM
AVP also gave us a better Queen, a better Predator/Xeno fight scene, a solid lead character, and some lighting.
It had a visually interesting set, too. I loved the pyramid concept and found it to be one of the strongest things the movie had going for it.
And if a movie with Aliens in it has to be set on modern day Earth, Antarctica is the best place to do it.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 24, 2013, 04:51:31 PM
And if a movie with Aliens in it has to be set on modern day Earth, Antarctica is the best place to do it.
I would've preferred some remote unexplored jungle. It would've upped the threat of world infestation by giving the aliens quicker access to prey and kept the predators in their traditionally hot environment.
Keeping the Aliens isolated is the only way to keep their character intact. The Alien films were based around keeping them as far away from large populations as possible. Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
As would be sticking them in a contemporary town.
oh wait
Quote from: Omegazilla on Oct 26, 2013, 05:51:58 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
As would be sticking them in a contemporary town.
oh wait
Oh you...
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Keeping the Aliens isolated is the only way to keep their character intact. The Alien films were based around keeping them as far away from large populations as possible. Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
Considering A3 was a slap in the face to the entire franchise, I'm not sure it matters anymore.
I wouldn't call Alien 3 a slap in the face to the entire franchise so much as I would call it a slap in the face to Cameron's intentions at the end of Aliens.
That (and plot holes in the first five minutes) aside, Alien 3 very much had the look, feel, and tone of an Alien film while spinning it off in its own direction and providing definite closure on Ripley's story arc (for the time being, of course).
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Keeping the Aliens isolated is the only way to keep their character intact. The Alien films were based around keeping them as far away from large populations as possible. Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
A change of setting isn't going to hurt if the outcome remains the same.
But if it was set in a jungle or any other area attached to the mainland the outcome probably wouldn't remain the same. Aliens would reach the population, and humanity would be screwed.
That's what Ripley died to prevent.
Aliens did reach the population if you count AVPR, but the point is only the queen made it out of the pyramid alive and she was dispatched shortly thereafter. No aliens were left to cause any trouble. They could have been in a jungle, a city, or an ostrich farm, it makes no difference, but the threat would be greater.
Of course, I'm not saying you're wrong about Antarctica, just that I had a different preference.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Keeping the Aliens isolated is the only way to keep their character intact. The Alien films were based around keeping them as far away from large populations as possible. Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
How about them over-running the cradle of humanity and showing up on every second colony for decade after decade and just being a general nuisance in countless comics, novels and computer games?
;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 26, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Keeping the Aliens isolated is the only way to keep their character intact. The Alien films were based around keeping them as far away from large populations as possible. Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
Considering A3 was a slap in the face to the entire franchise, I'm not sure it matters anymore.
Alien 3 was the best thing that happened the franchise since
Alien - it reeled it back into the primordial nihilistic cold darkness of space where it belongs; where there are no super heroes and truly happy endings. Trying to marry the two franchises by force (and failing miserably) on the other hand was a slap in the face. Even so, I do 'like'
AVP way, way more than
AvP:R. At least
AVP tried whereas
AvP:R was bad on all levels (...the only 'good' thing about it is that it seems to stroke the ego of certain Predator fans - "because Wolf is so bad ass!" - that's it's only 'quality', if you want to call that a quality that is) and failed even before failing.
QuoteAlien 3 was the best thing that happened the franchise since Alien - it reeled it back into the primordial nihilistic cold darkness of space where it belongs; where there are no super heroes and truly happy endings.
Shame the execution was kinda half arsed.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 26, 2013, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 26, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Keeping the Aliens isolated is the only way to keep their character intact. The Alien films were based around keeping them as far away from large populations as possible. Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
Considering A3 was a slap in the face to the entire franchise, I'm not sure it matters anymore.
Alien 3 was the best thing that happened the franchise since Alien - it reeled it back into the primordial nihilistic cold darkness of space where it belongs; where there are no super heroes and truly happy endings. Trying to marry the two franchises by force (and failing miserably) on the other hand was a slap in the face. Even so, I do 'like' AVP way, way more than AvP:R. At least AVP tried whereas AvP:R was bad on all levels (...the only 'good' thing about it is that it seems to stroke the ego of certain Predator fans - "because Wolf is so bad ass!" - that's it's only 'quality', if you want to call that a quality that is) and failed even before failing.
Like SM said, it was a half-assed execution. The setting was nice and I do prefer it to Aliens in some ways but for the life of me, I can't get past the God-awful story set up.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 28, 2013, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 26, 2013, 11:37:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 26, 2013, 01:19:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 26, 2013, 04:23:38 AM
Keeping the Aliens isolated is the only way to keep their character intact. The Alien films were based around keeping them as far away from large populations as possible. Sticking them right in the middle of a densely forested area rife with fauna and having it end with anything less than global destruction is a pretty big slap in the face to Ripley and her sacrifice in the third film.
Considering A3 was a slap in the face to the entire franchise, I'm not sure it matters anymore.
Alien 3 was the best thing that happened the franchise since Alien - it reeled it back into the primordial nihilistic cold darkness of space where it belongs; where there are no super heroes and truly happy endings. Trying to marry the two franchises by force (and failing miserably) on the other hand was a slap in the face. Even so, I do 'like' AVP way, way more than AvP:R. At least AVP tried whereas AvP:R was bad on all levels (...the only 'good' thing about it is that it seems to stroke the ego of certain Predator fans - "because Wolf is so bad ass!" - that's it's only 'quality', if you want to call that a quality that is) and failed even before failing.
Like SM said, it was a half-assed execution. The setting was nice and I do prefer it to Aliens in some ways but for the life of me, I can't get past the God-awful story set up.
I think you meant "plot holes and inconsistencies." People would have been fine if they didn't kill off Newt and Hicks right from the start(Like mentioned billion times before!) You see no one bitches about Ripley death.
And trying to understand people favoring AVPR is like headbutting to wall. I keep trying only to end up getting headache.
I don't understand how people simply ignore forced teen drama and other awful acting. They say "oh all I want is monster fights!"
That's bullcrap. Might as well say the first Predator film should have solely focused on Predator itself.
And I was never bothered by AVP predator buildup. I mean... can't we think like Predators have different kind and looks like humans do? That is way better than that incompetent xenos held by wolf or skinning an officer in middle of an important mission.
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 26, 2013, 11:37:14 PMAlien 3 was the best thing that happened the franchise since Alien - it reeled it back into the primordial nihilistic cold darkness of space where it belongs; where there are no super heroes and truly happy endings.
I think Alien has a relatively happy ending. The movie as a whole is certainly not as depressingly grim as 3. If anything the original understands how vast and indifferent the cosmos is. 3 is just
mean about it in an obnoxious and cruel way.
3 had no other direction to go. I actually like the mean direction, but if there was a way to do it without killing off Hicks and Newt, that would've been nice.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2014, 08:48:15 PM3 had no other direction to go.
With a production like that I don't think they knew what direction to go in at all.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 04, 2014, 08:48:15 PM
3 had no other direction to go.
They had come up with plenty of other plots (with some decent and some awful, but whatever).
After two Alien and two Predator movies, they should've went straight into Aliens vs Predator imo.
Fortunately Brandywine were still in charge.
I know this is hindsight, but a vs film was going to happen anyway. An adaptation of the hugely popular comic, hot on the heels of Aliens and Predator, probably would've been a more bankable prospect than any of the proposed scripts for Alien 3 and pleased more of the fans.
To be fair, the first AVP film was essentially a loose adaptation of the original story.
And with better execution could've been awesome instead of mediocre. That would've made me one happy fanboy back in the nineties.
I haven't read the comics, but I read the novel Prey a long time ago. Decent story, well written, but the film had a much better handle on the Aliens than Prey did.
Decidedly. The film was quite well balanced. The only problem with it was the script-level decision to make the team-up like that. Renders the film's comic book nature evident.
Yup. Predators definitely handled that sort of situation in a better way.
This is going off topic but here is my idea for how a team up might occur...
In a callback scene to the first film, a predator lifts a colonial marine by the throat, pins him to a wall, and looks him in the eyes. He draws his blades and it appears the marine is finished, but then... his motion tracker starts beeping. The predator glances at the tracker and knows what it means: xenos are about to come calling. After a moment of consideration, the predator releases the marine, not giving him another look as he gears up. The marine picks up his pulse rifle, reloads, and takes a position next to his new ally. It's game time.
Boy the marine really earned that.
Why didn't the Predator kill the armed marine, then kill the Aliens?
Because there's too many aliens and he needs the extra firepower the marine can provide.
Weak.
Problem with Lex is she did nothing to earn the Predators respect. She simply got lucky. A Predator needs to be forced into alliance with a human.
Your marine did even less than Lex. Predator could just use his shoulder gun to shoot the Aliens at range - and pick off stragglers with the marines pulse rilfe. After he's ripped the marines head off.
Exactly the reason why fans or anyone else without any experience as a professional writer should never ever write or pitch an AVP movie or any movie.
I'm not pitching a movie.
QuoteA Predator needs to be forced into alliance with a human.
The advancing aliens have created that situation.
QuoteYour marine did even less than Lex.
Only because we haven't discussed that yet. This marine is the protagonist. The predator has been stalking him for quite a while and observed him in action. The marine has just given him a good fight up to this point. The predator knows the marine is damn good at what he does.
QuotePredator could just use his shoulder gun to shoot the Aliens at range - and pick off stragglers with the marines pulse rilfe.
These aliens are hard to kill. They're not the cannon fodder bugs that so many people complain about. Also, due to events leading up to this moment, the predator may not be armed with his best weapons. He may not be in a position to escape. He knows from personal experience the marine is good in a fight and decides to use him.
QuoteAfter he's ripped the marines head off.
He may still try to do that after he's decided he doesn't need him any more.
QuoteThe predator knows the marine is damn good at what he does.
So was Dutch - doesn't mean the Predator was about to let him live, nevermind team up with him.
QuoteThese aliens are hard to kill.
They're still going down under pulse rifle and Predator gun fire - no matter how hard to kill they are.
But there was no reason for Anytime to keep Dutch alive. It's a different scenario.
Quote from: SM on Jan 06, 2014, 10:06:55 PM
QuoteThe predator knows the marine is damn good at what he does.
So was Dutch
Exactly. He didn't even have to aim his gun and he still hit all those bad guys! :D
didn't find avp tedious at all xenomorph36. I have both avp and avp:r, I only re-watched avp:r once. I like the background more I guess, along with the acting and storyline. I think the plot got a bit human-oriented with the second movie.
I loved AvP. Not so keen on AvP:R, but I'm cued up for a rewatch on that -- its been ages since I've seen it.
Fun fact. Doug Walker the Nostalgia Critic enjoyed Alien vs Predator. :laugh:
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 06, 2014, 05:32:18 PM
Fun fact. Doug Walker the Nostalgia Critic enjoyed Alien vs Predator. :laugh:
Another fun fact. Both James Cameron and Joss Whedon said that they liked AVP. Both of them are directors of some of the highest grossing movies ever.
Quote from: demonbane on Feb 07, 2014, 11:28:39 PM
Another fun fact. Both James Cameron and Joss Whedon said that they liked AVP. Both of them are directors of some of the highest grossing movies ever.
James Cameron I knew about, he said that after seeing the movie.. Joss Whedon, now I'd like to see where he said that.
Just googled it:
http://www.ifc.com/fix/2013/04/joss-whedon-reflects-on-the-mistakes-of-alien-resurrection (http://www.ifc.com/fix/2013/04/joss-whedon-reflects-on-the-mistakes-of-alien-resurrection)
QuoteIt turns out that Whedon even likes "Alien vs.. Predator" better than "Alien: Resurrection." "I actually like the first Alien vs. Predator," he admitted. "I'm a Paul W. S. Anderson fan."
He has taste!
He's a hack.
I'm sure he's gutted you think so. ;D
Quote from: Russ on Feb 08, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
Just googled it:
http://www.ifc.com/fix/2013/04/joss-whedon-reflects-on-the-mistakes-of-alien-resurrection (http://www.ifc.com/fix/2013/04/joss-whedon-reflects-on-the-mistakes-of-alien-resurrection)
QuoteIt turns out that Whedon even likes "Alien vs.. Predator" better than "Alien: Resurrection." "I actually like the first Alien vs. Predator," he admitted. "I'm a Paul W. S. Anderson fan."
He has taste!
Thankfully he doesn't draw inspiration from Anderson.
Quote from: SM on Feb 08, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
He's a hack.
I have to disagree. Even before Avenger, he was pretty good. Toy Story was his work. So was Atlantis.
Obviously, both directors did not like what came after their works. That's why they said they liked first one.(I am curious what they would say about the second one.)
There were six writers on Toy Story.
Avengers is brilliant fun film, but it's very colour by numbers in terms of plot.
The genius in it though is not the actual story. It's that all characters worked well together and with the exception of Hawkeye, were given good screentime.
They had 50 years worth of stories to draw on.
That doesn't necessarily mean that it would have worked well on-screen. The writing still had to be good.
Not really, since the writing is pretty straightforward. What made Avengers was the setup with the films that came before and the performances - especially RDJ. A lot of the dialogue saw every character speaking with essentially the same voice. However again the performances elevate it, and the whole thing hangs together really well.
Fair point. I'm glad they kept it all together for 2.5 hours. My only wish is that Hawkeye had received some real character development.
Since AVP and AVP:R are both awful it isn't a big difference to me, I guess AVP is slightly better? eh.
AVP-R! Loved Wolf, loved the Pred-Alien, loved the action, gore, sound FX and fan service! Could've been without the teen drama, but it didn't ruin it for me... AVP was good too, loved the visuals, it was cool having Lance Henriksen in it and the creatures looked amazing. Preds were a bit bulky, but I still liked them, my main complaint is that they died too quick.
Quote from: locdasmoke on Aug 05, 2014, 03:17:45 AM
AVP-R! Loved Wolf, loved the Pred-Alien, loved the action, gore, sound FX and fan service! Could've been without the teen drama, but it didn't ruin it for me... AVP was good too, loved the visuals, it was cool having Lance Henriksen in it and the creatures looked amazing. Preds were a bit bulky, but I still liked them, my main complaint is that they died too quick.
Well there's something you don't hear everyday! Was it the quick Pred deaths in AvP that make you prefer AvP:R?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 11, 2014, 11:41:42 AM
Quote from: locdasmoke on Aug 05, 2014, 03:17:45 AM
AVP-R! Loved Wolf, loved the Pred-Alien, loved the action, gore, sound FX and fan service! Could've been without the teen drama, but it didn't ruin it for me... AVP was good too, loved the visuals, it was cool having Lance Henriksen in it and the creatures looked amazing. Preds were a bit bulky, but I still liked them, my main complaint is that they died too quick.
Well there's something you don't hear everyday! Was it the quick Pred deaths in AvP that make you prefer AvP:R?
Yeah, I didn't like that the first AVP was so bias towards the Alien and also I just personally enjoy AVPR more... IMO it has a cooler Predator, better design on the Alien, better sound effects and seeing the mayhem as the Aliens infest the town is awesome (I think). I do enjoy the unrated cut of AVP also and I think that the story line was probably a bit better thought out in the first one and the visuals were also better, but the second one just delivers the package better, that's just my opinion.
Not too late to reply here is it?
Generally speaking, I enjoyed both movies, mainly the for creatures. I have a preference for AVPR though, the gore, Wolf and Predalien were all pretty cool to me. I think AVP had a more interesting story and characters, and AVPR had the cooler creatures.
Hm, there's something you don't hear everyday. I feel like having an AvP marathon, just because.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 29, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
Hm, there's something you don't hear everyday. I feel like having an AvP marathon, just because.
Oh you'll come to find out I am in fact the only true fan AVPR has in the entire multiverse. I like it, genuinely. I acknowledge all the fauts, but I end up liking it. Just like Superman IV. Predalien's design, the young queen reproduction cycle, the works. I enjoyed it all, somehow... :P
Nope, I liked it as well ;)
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...slowly backs away... :P
I'll happily choose it over Alien: Res any day of the week :)
After seeing AVP again last night, I will admit that making Scar look heroic with his face was definitely not a good touch. His eyes are just...ugh. You don't design a creature with a face like that and give it such disarming eyes. A Predator acting heroic is fine, but looking heroic? Nah. The 2.0 Hot Toys Scar is what he really should have looked like.
That was a conscious choice, though. They definitely set out to differentiate the preds from the solo franchise... I don't know, I think they looked kind of cool. I know that sort of view is liable to get me a kicking, though.
Quote from: Russ on Dec 31, 2014, 09:43:21 AMI don't know, I think they looked kind of cool
You like lumbering predators with puppy dog eyes?
No, but I don't think the predators look like that in the movie. I liked the way they moved to be fair - as we pointed out earlier, this is a comic-book movie and I think Anderson pretty much captured that though, (as also said earlier) this probably wasn't the movie he thought he was going to make.
And as this film shows, along with some comic book movies have shown as well, what's workable in a comic book isn't necessarily going to be workable in a movie.
I don't agree. I think AvP delivers pretty well on all fronts. Indeed all of the films in the franchise have some redeeming features - I really, really hate A:R, but no one can deny that it has some merits.
Ultimately, I think pulling the blanket "I hate" card is doing the franchise(s) a disservice. But clearly, it makes some fans feel happy which I've never really understood. The truth of it is that all of the movies have their fan-base and these people are not wrong in their assessment. That others don't agree is their problem, I think. It's unlikely I'll gain a greater appreciation of A:R as time goes by and I'll state why I don't like it, but that doesn't, shouldn't and ultimately won't detract from the enjoyment an advocate of the movie has when he or she watches it.
A:Res has nice visuals and certainly is a pretty film to look at. The set pieces are fantastic. I just find the story stupid and the Newborn is one of the worst ideas in the long, sad history of bad ideas.
Quote from: Russ on Dec 31, 2014, 09:43:21 AM
That was a conscious choice, though. They definitely set out to differentiate the preds from the solo franchise... I don't know, I think they looked kind of cool. I know that sort of view is liable to get me a kicking, though.
All things considered though, don't you think this just looks better?
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I used to really like AVPR, but after watching it again last night, (after seeing all other Alien and predator movies) it really comes in weakest of the bunch. (Yet still more sensible than Prometheus.) AVPR has great fan service, creature designs, (and even predator home world?) but lighting, and pacing are all screwed up. Definitely had a lot of the comic book "suddenly" moments.
One scene that really bugs me from AvPR in the unrated version is Molly and Kelly in the graveyard. It was a complete throwaway that added nothing. The impression given at the end of it too, with Wolf standing up slowly in the tree as he watches them flee, seemed to create the impression that he was thinking, "They're here" or "They saw me"...something to that effect. Of course, it went nowhere.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 02, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
One scene that really bugs me from AvPR in the unrated version is Molly and Kelly in the graveyard. It was a complete throwaway that added nothing. The impression given at the end of it too, with Wolf standing up slowly in the tree as he watches them flee, seemed to create the impression that he was thinking, "They're here" or "They saw me"...something to that effect. Of course, it went nowhere.
I guess that's why they cut it. Personally I liked it. Yeah it was pointless but at least we get to see another head blown off. In a stupid, popcorn horror movie like this a bit more gore never hurts. It also showed that Wolf wasn't just killing indiscriminately when he gave Kelly a warning then let them go.
I enjoy both movies. AVP has better production design and characters, but AVP-R had better action and creatures. It seemed like everyone hated the setting in AVP-R, but I thought it was pretty cool. Colorado is a neighboring state to me so it was interesting to see Aliens and a Predator invade a small mountain town similar to where I grew up, also reminded me of those old small town America invasion movies like "The Blob." And yeah, I'll admit it, AVP-R is too damn dark, especially when compared to the good lighting of the first trailer. I'm not sure why they overdid that during post, adjusting the TV settings and watching it on Blu-ray helps but still, way too dark.
Both films have more than a few problems, but they were fun rides and made contributions to the franchise I think. Everyone wants the AVP set in the future from the comics and games, and I'm sure we'll get that eventually, but I'm glad they did these two first.
Quote from: tmoldovan on Jan 02, 2015, 04:27:31 AM
Yet still more sensible than Prometheus.
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This is mostly directed at RidgeTop and Russ but I also want to get this out for myself. I normally don't voice my opinion on the AvP films because a few years back I was teased for my preference about the two films to where I felt a sense of resentment towards the community and felt as if I couldn't really voice out my opinions on the films. But I definitely liked Alien vs Predator, and I liked Alien vs Predator: Requiem. And I still happen to do so very much and like RidgeTop, I felt that they were fun films and made contributions to the franchises as well, but I also acknowledge that the films have their problems. All films do.
I liked the AvP films because they had took concepts from the expanded universe and solidified these elements into canon. I liked the idea that Aliens and Predators occupied the same universe other than in just comics and toys. I liked the idea that Predators harvested Aliens and used them as game for an initiation rite which was introduced from the comics. But the movies had a different angle on that idea which I thought was cool, such as Predators being worshiped as gods and at one point having a mutual relationship with humans to where pyramids were built. I liked the Ancient Alien thing it had going on.
As for AvP-R.. I have said that the movie is a genuinely mean spirited film but it just appeals to the Predator fanboy in me. It had the better action, kept the creatures in behavior as far as Aliens and Predators are concerned when interacting with humans (Do you honestly expect a Xenomorph to spare a kid's life?). There are a lot of problems with AvP-R but I can't help but just like it.. Yes, it is a mean spirited movie. Yes it is imbalanced as far as Alien vs Predator action is concerned but I just like the movie. I sometimes get the feeling that people want me to hate something I genuinely like.. And it bothers me that when I say I liked both movies, people get on my back about it and make fun.
I would love to see a continuation of the AvP storyline that doesn't count PREDATORS or Prometheus. But I am very pessimistic to the point where we just won't get that. I'd love for Fox to simply come out and officially say that the franchises happen to have AU's but I'm guessing what is canon and not is meant to be open for debate and interpretation.
So RidgeTop.. Russ.. Allow me to join in that Robot Jox fist bump!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3W2UMCnqDw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3W2UMCnqDw)
@Rakai
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Damn, I guess I'm not the only one who liked AVPR after all. So, it has 4 fans. Myself, Ridgetop, Rakai, and Doom. :laugh:
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jan 03, 2015, 08:52:48 AM
Damn, I guess I'm not the only one who liked AVPR after all. So, it has 4 fans. Myself, Ridgetop, Rakai, and Doom. :laugh:
I'm sure there are more but like us, they are in the minority and I'm sure they are not here in this forum.
I have to see it again, its been ages, I want to get the blu-ray, I've read on here that its much better in terms of light and dark; I don't hate the movie like some, but it was mean-spirited and (from what I remember) in bad taste. Let me rewatch and maybe revise.
Both of the AVP films make me physically sick.
Combo breaker.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Jan 03, 2015, 06:25:43 PM
Combo breaker.
I read that in the KI Announcer's voice. Heh!
I always thought AvP:R was too infantile to be mean-spirited. It felt more like a couple of ten year olds thinking up the coolest shock things for a horror film than anything.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 03, 2015, 11:29:03 PM
I always thought AvP:R was too infantile to be mean-spirited. It felt more like a couple of ten year olds thinking up the coolest shock things for a horror film than anything.
I can see the flaws with the movie. There was a lot of imbalancing between the two species, clear favoritism and a lot of other things. As much as I enjoy some ultraviolence and as much as the movie appeals to the Predator fanboy in me, I can do without Requiem. I'd keep the first and do fine without the sequel.
One thing I definitely give AVPR over AVP is the sound department. Specifically in regards to the Predator blade sound and general grunts and growls. In AVP most of the blades sound very generic, the type of sound effect you hear all the time. Same goes with the growls. In AVPR most sounds are unique and different from the rest.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 03, 2015, 11:29:03 PM
I always thought AvP:R was too infantile to be mean-spirited. It felt more like a couple of ten year olds thinking up the coolest shock things for a horror film than anything.
Absolutely best way I've seen that film described! I think it's an immensely immature film that amounts to nothing better than a slightly good looking (when it's not dark) fanfilm.
But to each their own. I love all the Starship Trooper films even though I know they're naff.
Said it before and I'll say it again: at least AvPR keeps me awake, unlike AvP.
I just realized something in AVPR. Both it and Alien 3 feature the previous movie's main character being a host for an Alien Queen.
Alien 3 had Ripley, and AVPR had Scar featuring the Predalien premature Queen. Well, if you chose to believe it was a young queen at least. :P
I'm a big fan of the Wolf predator, having defended him quite a bit in the past on this forum. I've also stuck up for AVPR in general a bit too. I have never disliked and especially never downright hated the AVP films like many others seem to. The Wolf predator is my favorite predator of all time, and he makes the movie to me. I admittedly have always preferred Predators to Aliens (xenomorphs), but I still feel like the writing and the idea of Wolf and other predators being highly experienced and battle tested enough to be able to easily kill most xenomorphs is possible within the world of the movies/comics (let's not turn this into another debate now and I'll try to stay on topic). I also liked how we actually seen a tiny bit of emotion out of him as well when he found his fellow hunter's bodies. From a brief sign of sadness to anger. You could even say after that it became both a mission and a personal objective of vengeance. I did like the Scar predator in AVP, but not on the same level. AVP obviously had a higher budget, and it showed in it's more appealing and interesting setting. I liked the snow conditions of AVP, but found the pyramid to get a bit repetitive and dull to look at as it went on. Although I did enjoy and was intrigued by the ancient flashbacks and the whole "rites of passage"/trial parts of it all. From AVPR I actually liked the whole "small town" idea in AVPR (feels closer to home and such), and I actually think there was a good dark tone that came along with it all as it got more and more overrun.
As far as acting goes, I'd say there was more quality in AVP's cast, but the general dialogue could get a bit boring. Where as most of the acting quality in AVPR wasn't overwhelmingly high, and the characters were generic. Dallas's reason for getting sent to prison that he doesn't regret could have been somewhat interesting, but it was never expanded upon or explored whatsoever. However I did find these humans in AVPR to be a bit more fun perhaps, despite them being written sort of like slasher victims. Despite it not being nearly on the same level as her performance as "Nora" on the TV series Being Human, I get a kick out of seeing Kristen Hager.
Concerning the special effects, AVP's were clearly of better quality where as AVPR's came off a bit more cheap and "slasher-esque". Although the slasher fan in me appreciates the increase of gore in it. I liked the return of the ridges to the xenomorphs design in AVPR, but overall preferred what they did in AVP. I won't disagree when it comes to the conclusion that AVP's aliens were handled better then in AVPR, but unlike some I thought how easily most of them were beaten made sense considering who Wolf was supposed to be (again not the place to debate about that again). I do prefer the alien queen over the predalien, but don't think the concept nor the design of the preadalien was actually bad at all. The design/makeup for Wolf in AVPR was MUCH better then those we seen in AVP (although I don't think they were awful, and the Elder's was quite good). I found the action in AVPR to be a bit more exciting and slightly more intense then what we got out of AVP. And yes the lighting of AVPR could have been brightened up and bit or been a bit more balanced, but it isn't so bad watching it on your own TV with your own settings or with a Blu-ray copy. I did like how the ending of AVP connected right into the setup of AVPR. It was unfortunate that the ending of AVPR itself was more of a generic "cop out" draw then anything else. However I found the final Wolf and predalien fight to be a pretty cool fight sequence. Would have been nice to have Wolf somehow know the town was going to be bombed and slip out in time with the characters maybe coming across what he arrived in and Wolf sort of meeting them again and subtly nodding or at least looking to them before flying off just before the military confronts the survivors after the "Are the monsters gone?" line still being used. That would just be my preferred fan ending.
I could go on and on and back and forth about this for hours. Overall though there are elements and parts of AVP that can be considered "better", but most of the time I usually find myself having more fun with and garnering more personal fan enjoyment out of Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem then Alien vs. Predator. So yeah I'm still joining the minority, and going against the majority here again.
In regards to the first AvP, is there anyone out there who would take Charles Bishop Weyland over Peter Weyland?
I mean, I liked Charles Bishop Weyland as he was not the guy who you'd expect to be running the company which would become Weyland-Yutani. He was a father figure to Lex and seemed like a nice guy who cared (although cut-scenes show him showing his selfish side when Maxford Stanton confronts him about the death of a few men in his name) who wanted to leave one last impact before he died from his lung cancer. I got this more.. likeable and human quality from Charles.
Peter.. for a lack of a better term of work just came off as a prick with a God complex. And I am aware that was the way he was meant to be written but Peter for me was a guy who had a lot of swag but no real.. likability. Unlike Charles, Peter never really cared about anyone but himself and maybe David (I assume him creating David fed his massive ego).
Sure, both had similar goals to achieve immortality such as Charles wanting to be remembered through out history, and Peter wanting to become legitimate immortal but I just found that Charles died in believing something while accepting death as he tried to redeem himself for his mistakes while protecting Lex and Sebastian, where as Peter died believing in nothing as he failed in his attempts to achieve immortality.
Charles Weylad did come off more level headed and ethical than Peter Weyland, but at least Peter was not obsessed with Alien life forms like his successors would be.
One of the things I like about the first film is that Charles Weyland was a good man at heart even if he wanted to make his mark on the world but then don't a lot of people?
In regards to the Predators, all of them in all AVP movies were inept. I kinda like Wolf the best even if it was due to the design of him being better than the previous film's design but even he was even totally incompetent, he is pretty much responsible for what happened to the town as his terrible aim/misfiring resulted in the Aliens being unleashed from the sewers and later, the blackout :laugh:
If I had to choose between the two films, I would say the first film, it had at least good ideas and maybe a chance for being a good film, though it was wasted, it makes it tragic actually as whereas AVP-R was a pile of rubbish with little to no redeeming qualties and so most don't give it a second thought, AVP did have the chance to be a good film and so you wonder what if or what could have been.
AVP had alright characters ( Lance Hendrikson was the best) had alright production and at least you could see and they put it in the most isolated place in the world AVPR was in a middle of a city!!!!! and AVP tried to copy some parts of Alien and Aliens ( They investigate a signal then are trapped) in AVPR i couldnt see what was going on
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jan 15, 2015, 04:16:14 PM
In regards to the first AvP, is there anyone out there who would take Charles Bishop Weyland over Peter Weyland?
I certainly would. Henriksen's Weyland was more pragmatic and you could understand his motivations a lot more. He doesn't want to endanger people if it can be helped, but he
is ambitious. He even puts himself deliberately in harm way to save others. I also liked the discussion he had with Lex about her father and what really matters in life (as he sees it).
The speech he gave to the crew was also a little more compelling in presentation style than the one the other Weyland's holographic self gave.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 29, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Charles Weylad did come off more level headed and ethical than Peter Weyland, but at least Peter was not obsessed with Alien life forms like his successors would be.
Really? He seemed to be so just as much - everyone was expendable and he took stupid risks (helmets coming off without bothering with any scientific tests, getting up close and personal with the Engineer and so on).
The other Weyland had ambition, but he seemed to have more common sense than that.
One was an ambitious explorer. The other seemed more like a rich guy stereotype.
They both could have been done so, So much better but of the two AVP is the better one. In AVPR, the characters are just fodder, you don't get to really care about them at all. It could have been lit a bit more too
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jul 11, 2015, 11:21:33 AM
They both could have been done so, So much better but of the two AVP is the better one. In AVPR, the characters are just fodder, you don't get to really care about them at all. It could have been lit a bit more too
I could not see the characters in the dim light ;)
With all this Sigourney Weaver/Peter Briggs stuff and Omega and I discussing AvP recently I fancied watching it again. Popped the DVD in last night and watched the Extended Cut. I went into it trying not to be pissed off and managed to actually enjoy it. Normally I get kind of jaded/disappointed but going in actually wanting to not grind on every little thing helped. lol
I think the idea behind behind the combat (not the wrestling choreography) was largely spot on. The Aliens owned when the Predators weren't aware of their surroundings or being arrogant when they had the upper hand. Scar dominated at range when he finally got his shoulder cannon. When they were being smart the Predators were able to anticipate the Aliens strategy. Exactly as it should have been. I would have liked to have seen the acid blood play in it a little more and the fights be more primal and less WWF though.
The Aliens had a very slender appearance in some of the wider shots and that looked really nice, especially when they were jumping around. I liked that. Celtic looked somewhat less bulky when he first appears and instead more athletic (like the figures) which was a much nicer appearance.
The set design was great and the idea behind the pyramid was something I really liked. They could have used it better to get around the life cycle and to increase the tension/desperation with the characters.
The life cycle i actually felt was too quick in AVP. its strange, because i thought it was meant to be 24 hours from Facehugged to Chestburst
It is. That's one of the criticisms. And what I mean by using the shifting pyramid is to keep them cut off for longer, to let the life cycle actually take as long as it did in the original films.
Thats right. soz miss read lol. It would have worked with the characters getting more desperate as they get cut off too. Imagine one character getting attacked by a load of chestbursters, would have been creepy
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Aug 10, 2015, 01:37:35 PM
Thats right. soz miss read lol. It would have worked with the characters getting more desperate as they get cut off too. Imagine one character getting attacked by a load of chestbursters, would have been creepy
Maybe they were unique type of facehuggers?
I wonder why the budget argument came up a lot in regards to the setting in the first one. Other than the alteration of a few scenes, they could have pulled off with the pyramid being on a colonized arctic planet. I guess Anderson really wanted it to be in Antarctica.
Producer Paul Davis wanted the story Earth-bound. Thought it'd make things more scary.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 06:17:06 PM
Producer Paul Davis wanted the story Earth-bound. Thought it'd make things more scary.
That's what it was then. I guess the queen escaping wouldn't have as much drama as it would if the pyramid was not on Earth.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 12:03:22 PM
I went into it trying not to be pissed off and managed to actually enjoy it.
Color me surprised! :o
I will still choose AvP:R over the first one any day of the week. The first film tries to be a competent film to some degree but it ends up boring me everytime.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 14, 2015, 11:36:39 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 12:03:22 PM
I went into it trying not to be pissed off and managed to actually enjoy it.
Color me surprised! :o
Funnily enough I hate disliking things. I always try and look for things to enjoy in something. The AvP films I have struggled with for some time but I was determined to go in with as wide a mind as I could manage.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 24, 2015, 02:12:54 PM
I will still choose AvP:R over the first one any day of the week. The first film tries to be a competent film to some degree but it ends up boring me everytime.
Agree.
The first film was superior in terms of the technical aspects of making a movie. But the second felt more like what an AvsP film should be. It was still WAY off the mark but got it closer then the first one in my opinion.
Also the first one bugs me no end because of the ridiculous back story. The back story is what kills it for me.
At least the first one had a story.
Agreed, the first one is a bad film, but I get the sense that they at least tried to make a movie. The second, literally no effort was put into any of the ideas, designs, writing, concepts, cinematography, and would it have killed them to buy a light bulb once in a while?!
I liked them when I was a kid but now that I'm an adult I realize how painfully cheesy and overall bad they are.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Aug 25, 2015, 05:03:25 PM
Agreed, the first one is a bad film, but I get the sense that they at least tried to make a movie. The second, literally no effort was put into any of the ideas, designs, writing, concepts, cinematography, and would it have killed them to buy a light bulb once in a while?!
They obviously tried but the ideas were just poor. And the technical expertise wasn't as great as others.
I watched AVP when i was 8 and AVPR when i was 9 and i HATED it(check the forum how did you get into AVP or something like that)
Just rewatched both movies (and Prometheus) after a long, long break. And that's what I think:
- both AVPs are better than Prometheus, which is just insultingly stupid. Prommy tries to be smart and fails. So. Hard. And worst of all, it's boring.
- AVP (the first one) is a decently made movie, but it falls apart when the Italian guy bites it. The woman is so boring that she just can't hold my interest. Besides, it gets too cheesy when she gets a spear and a shield. The movie ends for me when they kill Sebastian.
- AVP messes up the lore, but I don't care. For me, it's non-canonical and I can watch it without getting pissed of.
- AVPR I actually... really, really liked. It's decently written and acted, it has way better pacing than AVP, some cool scenes, and I love the cinematography - the shots are BEAUTIFUL. But yeah, gamma issues make it almost unwatchable.
- AVPR has the best predator from all the Predator movies. I hate the predators from AVP. Their faces look like some kid-friendly versions of predators from Happy Meals.
- the biggest flaw of those movies is that they are too afraid to be their own things. They're so full of references to previous movies that sometimes it's infuriating. Make your own goddamn movie instead of reusing assets from previous ones! I've already seen that, and it was done better!
- As for Prometheus... Screw this movie. It's just unbearable. "Don't all children want their parents dead?", asks David at one point, and Shaw's response is: "I didn't". If I were her, I'd say: "What the hell are you talking about, you stupid, stupid moron?". 0/10.
Quote from: esz on Dec 29, 2015, 05:52:01 AMAs for Prometheus... Screw this movie. It's just unbearable. "Don't all children want their parents dead?", asks David at one point, and Shaw's response is: "I didn't". If I were her, I'd say: "What the hell are you talking about, you stupid, stupid moron?". 0/10.
Yea, wow. You were doing fine right up till you wrote a line of dialog for the movie. :P
It's not a line of dialog, it's what I actually said to the screen when David said his line.:)
Quote from: esz on Dec 29, 2015, 07:47:50 AM
It's not a line of dialog, it's what I actually said to the screen when David said his line.:)
Oh so you were actually yelling at the movie. Well I cannot lie, I did do that a few times as well while watching Prometheus. It's still better than AVPr and AR though.
Well, not in my book, but I can understand why you like it more. It's certainly a better crafted movie, but for me it's just so annoying that it want to be smart, it wants to be deep, and in the end it's so moronic, so contradictory to itself, so lazily written.
I was seriously considering a possibility that at one point writers (or Scott) switched the names of Fifield and Millburn by mistake in the script and didn't notice. I mean the scene with the cobra thing. It's like it was supposed to play the other way: hippie-looking Millburn was supposed to smoke pot, and then pet the cobra, or maybe Fifield, being high, was supposed to do something that stupid, but they forgot who was who.
In the end, I prefer AVP movies because even though the screeplay is absolutely basic and it's nothing more than "people meet monsters, people die", it's tight. It's alright. It serves it purpose as a story for a B-movie. Prometheus poses to be a high concept, ambitious project, and doesn't see it went full retard.
Quote from: esz on Dec 29, 2015, 05:52:01 AM
- AVP messes up the lore, but I don't care. For me, it's non-canonical and I can watch it without getting pissed of.
- AVPR I actually... really, really liked. It's decently written and acted, it has way better pacing than AVP, some cool scenes, and I love the cinematography - the shots are BEAUTIFUL. But yeah, gamma issues make it almost unwatchable.
being
I do consider AVP as canon, although at first it didn't feel right where it belonged.
With that being said, I might as well consider AVPR canon too, but there's no way I'm gonna do that.
Quote from: Randomizer on Dec 29, 2015, 09:25:57 AM
Quote from: esz on Dec 29, 2015, 05:52:01 AM
- AVP messes up the lore, but I don't care. For me, it's non-canonical and I can watch it without getting pissed of.
- AVPR I actually... really, really liked. It's decently written and acted, it has way better pacing than AVP, some cool scenes, and I love the cinematography - the shots are BEAUTIFUL. But yeah, gamma issues make it almost unwatchable.
being
I do consider AVP as canon, although at first it didn't feel right where it belonged.
With that being said, I might as well consider AVPR canon too, but there's no way I'm gonna do that.
Just leave the ending out and you wont know that AVPR EXISTED.
Quote from: esz on Dec 29, 2015, 05:52:01 AM
- AVPR I actually... really, really liked. It's decently written and acted, it has way better pacing than AVP, some cool scenes, and I love the cinematography - the shots are BEAUTIFUL. But yeah, gamma issues make it almost unwatchable.
You're the first and only person on this entire site who has ever said that about AvPR.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2016, 04:43:02 AM
Quote from: esz on Dec 29, 2015, 05:52:01 AM
- AVPR I actually... really, really liked. It's decently written and acted, it has way better pacing than AVP, some cool scenes, and I love the cinematography - the shots are BEAUTIFUL. But yeah, gamma issues make it almost unwatchable.
You're the first and only person on this entire site who has ever said that about AvPR.
*clap* *clap*
I recall AVP being easier to sit through, but the sequel had fight scenes that were more entertaining (ignoring the shitty lighting of course). I don't know, it's kinda like asking whether it's better to be smacked in the head with a baseball bat or a golf club. Pick either one and your still f**ked.
I disagree, the fight scenes in AVPR was worse thant the first. Instead catfight wrestling, they now had the predator and Chet in what can be considered a boxing match, wolf was fighting in a too human manner in my opinion.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 11, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
I disagree, the fight scenes in AVPR was worse thant the first. Instead catfight wrestling, they now had the predator and Chet in what can be considered a boxing match, wolf was fighting in a too human manner in my opinion.
At least there was no slow motion/bullet time shit.
True dat, The matrix is both the best and worst thing to have happened. lol
Anyways, AVP is defo superior but neither film grasped the alien side of things too well, Alien is more of a horror experience, even the action sequel Aliens had horror and terror in it, but none of these AVP films had that, unless you count being horrified by how bad they were :laugh:
Action is fairly easy to do, but horror and terror requires a good direction because otherwise it can fail or worse, be a cliche.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 27, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
Anyways, AVP is defo superior but neither film grasped the alien side of things too well, Alien is more of a horror experience, even the action sequel Aliens had horror and terror in it, but none of these AVP films had that, unless you count being horrified by how bad they were :laugh:
It amuses me how Paul Anderson tried to do the slow buildup like
Predator and
Alien and it just made his movie worse. Sorry Paul, you're no Ridley Scott. :laugh:
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 27, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
True dat, The matrix is both the best and worst thing to have happened. lol
Anyways, AVP is defo superior but neither film grasped the alien side of things too well, Alien is more of a horror experience, even the action sequel Aliens had horror and terror in it, but none of these AVP films had that, unless you count being horrified by how bad they were :laugh:
Action is fairly easy to do, but horror and terror requires a good direction because otherwise it can fail or worse, be a cliche.
AVP is more of a fantasy film with horror and scifi elements, IMO.
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 01, 2016, 05:29:35 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 27, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
True dat, The matrix is both the best and worst thing to have happened. lol
Anyways, AVP is defo superior but neither film grasped the alien side of things too well, Alien is more of a horror experience, even the action sequel Aliens had horror and terror in it, but none of these AVP films had that, unless you count being horrified by how bad they were :laugh:
Action is fairly easy to do, but horror and terror requires a good direction because otherwise it can fail or worse, be a cliche.
AVP is more of a fantasy film with horror and scifi elements, IMO.
What makes you say that?
Quote from: Kaltes on Aug 01, 2016, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 01, 2016, 05:29:35 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jul 27, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
True dat, The matrix is both the best and worst thing to have happened. lol
Anyways, AVP is defo superior but neither film grasped the alien side of things too well, Alien is more of a horror experience, even the action sequel Aliens had horror and terror in it, but none of these AVP films had that, unless you count being horrified by how bad they were :laugh:
Action is fairly easy to do, but horror and terror requires a good direction because otherwise it can fail or worse, be a cliche.
AVP is more of a fantasy film with horror and scifi elements, IMO.
What makes you say that?
Nothing really specific, just the tone of it.
There wasn't really any horror in it, Sci/fi for sure and I would say maybe "adventure" but not fantasy because that implies supernatural, though considering the speed of the life cycle, the Aliens were borderline supernatural lol
You know I actually wish that AVP:R had gone ahead with the idea of the Predalien using Predator technology like cloaking. I mean sure it would have caused uncontrollable groaning and incited the tears of millions of AVP-Fans, but at least the movie would have been somewhat unique because of it, as without it the movie is pretty much just a generic Aliens invade a small town scenario with unneeded excessive gore
I liked AvP more than Avp R because the aliens were better and actually beat two of the predators. While in Avp R the Aliens were rubbish though I did like the Wolf Predator more than the Predators in Avp. :)
I do think AvP did an alright job of actually having balance between the Aliens and Predators.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2016, 12:00:24 PM
I do think AvP did an alright job of actually having balance between the Aliens and Predators.
As time goes on, I'm finding myself more sympathetic to that idea. I still think the overall film is lousy though.
The first is a masterpiece compared to Requiem. My God, that movie is unbearable for me. I get headache to try to discern what happens in the dark. In addition, that is located in the Earth and in the current time takes away much interest. Every good Alien movie needs a futuristic or extraterrestrial setting.
I've been jumping between likeing and dislikeing both movies. In the first movie the Predators didn't act their part, in the second the aliens didn't meet the standard. There are some stuff that are controversial in both movies...Like Grid haveing a magic tail because without it, it would have taken some thinking to kill chopper without him being alerted, in the second movie the some of the Aliens lost their acid effect and some didn't, wasn't enough money for it I was told, that's some real B.S right there, if you don't have money for a scene then work around it.
I'm not against it takeing place on earth but I would have liked a future setting more, hopefully one day we'll get one cause that's what they missed from the start. I wonder how a cgi movie would do with a story and characters taken from the first comic. Broken tusk needs a movie :-D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 11, 2016, 12:00:24 PM
I do think AvP did an alright job of actually having balance between the Aliens and Predators.
Not sure about that, the predators were insanely stupid and over-confident, even by predator standards. That said, both sides never really got mary-sue/Marty stu on each other, as both got casualties and both got victories, so yeah I suppose that is a fair assessment all things considered. The actual fight was bad though.
*Imagine If we could get an R Rating like AVP-R but the Lighting of AVP.
*Also, The Make Up and Costume Designs of AVP-R but the writing and acting of AVP.
AVP is mediocre and generic, AVPR is bad in every sense but the score, which is more epic than the movie
The soundtrack was a mixtape of previous soundtracks.
Quote from: cheachea on Dec 27, 2016, 08:28:49 PM
*Imagine If we could get an R Rating like AVP-R but the Lighting of AVP.
*Also, The Make Up and Costume Designs of AVP-R but the writing and acting of AVP.
Just no. AvP movies turned the Xenos into stupid weakling and the Predators into stupid super brutes that have plotarmor, the ones that don't get plotarmor die quickly.
And the whole Pyramid and Predators being Gods things is really stupid.
Sounds a little contradictory. They have plot armour - except when they don't.
Was Grid a stupid weakling? Or did he also have plot armour? Except when he also died - off screen no less.
The Aliens were not weaklings either, at least in the first movie anyway, that said, Grid never actually won a fight, it killed one predator by being stealthy, completely in line with their nature by the way and it killed Celtic because of the latter's idiotic behavior. Celtic won the fight but lost the night.
Predators were not super brutes either, Celtic and Scar were incompetent, the former more so. Though I didn't like their design, masks were fine but their physique and faces were not.
Now if you was talking about AVP-R then yes, the Xenos were cannon fodder and Wolf was a walking tank.
The pyramid concept is not a bad one at all, don't get the hate about that.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2017, 05:00:04 AM
Sounds a little contradictory. They have plot armour - except when they don't.
Was Grid a stupid weakling? Or did he also have plot armour? Except when he also died - off screen no less.
Grid was a plot device. Scar and Wolf had plot armor and survived against ordes of Xenos while Celtic, Scar and various veteran Predators died to the Predalien and were f**king stupid.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 03, 2017, 01:43:13 PM
The Aliens were not weaklings either, at least in the first movie anyway, that said, Grid never actually won a fight, it killed one predator by being stealthy, completely in line with their nature by the way and it killed Celtic because of the latter's idiotic behavior. Celtic won the fight but lost the night.
Predators were not super brutes either, Celtic and Scar were incompetent, the former more so. Though I didn't like their design, masks were fine but their physique and faces were not.
Now if you was talking about AVP-R then yes, the Xenos were cannon fodder and Wolf was a walking tank.
The pyramid concept is not a bad one at all, don't get the hate about that.
Scar and Wolf had Plotarmor, all other Predators died quickly in a stupid way(Celtic and the Elites from the second movie), Grid was a plotdevice.
The Pyramid is simply stupid, pretty sure there is no honor in faking to be a God, the whole thing of forcing the xenos on the Predator culture, it's just stupid.
They were not pretending to be gods, they were just worshipped as such, don't see a problem with that since humans are known to be superstitious and worship absurd things.
Grid was just a Xenomorph, nothing special really, it was just acting like they usually do, being sneaky and opportunistic which is fine.
Celtic's death was stupid and completely avoidable if he even had half of common sense. Scar didn't do anything special other than actually getting some kills and being slightly more competent until he decides to take his mask of when there are facehuggers about, and not even realising his predicament despite having woken from the floor.
Gill's death is fine imo, it shows how sneaky the Xenos are, the elites from AVPR were stupid, in the fact the predalien probably only kill two or three, the rest were killed by the incompetent idiots who blasted a hole in the hull.
Wolf was over-powered hence why he had to be so stupid as to not to be even more of a mary-sue/marty-stu.
QuoteGrid was a plot device.
How was he a plot device?
Yeah, a plot device is what moves the story a long. I don't see how Grid fits into that.
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 24, 2016, 03:21:40 AM
In addition, that is located in the Earth and in the current time takes away much interest. Every good Alien movie needs a futuristic or extraterrestrial setting.
But they're not Alien movies, as the Alien movies explore other worlds. To do that with a crossover would be a disservice. They set
Predators on an alien planet and it turned out lame. The first AVP may as well be on an alien planet if you took away the opening scenes.
I think they did more exploring of other worlds in Predators than any Alien flick.
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 12:29:37 AM
I think they did more exploring of other worlds in Predators than any Alien flick.
You're absolutely right. The whole movie they were exploring
Hawaii* an alien planet. That's more than any Alien movie. :P
*And parts of Texas apparently.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Jan 03, 2017, 03:32:40 PM
Scar and Wolf had Plotarmor
How did Scar have plot armour? He got face-hugged minutes after the other two Predators died, got impaled through the shoulder by an Alien, impaled through the chest by the Queen, and finally chest burster'ed. Plot armour is when you walk out without a scratch like Wolf, not when you basically lose every fight you're in.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 04, 2017, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Jan 03, 2017, 03:32:40 PM
Scar and Wolf had Plotarmor
How did Scar have plot armour? He got face-hugged minutes after the other two Predators died, got impaled through the shoulder by an Alien, impaled through the chest by the Queen, and finally chest burster'ed. Plot armour is when you walk out without a scratch like Wolf, not when you basically lose every fight you're in.
So him not getting chestbursted in some minutes like the Humans(even if you bring the argument that it's longer because he is from a different species, it doesn't make sense because of how long it toke for the chestburster to do it's thing.), surviving being impaled, and surviving every fight except for the last one is not plot armor?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jan 03, 2017, 09:36:56 PM
Yeah, a plot device is what moves the story a long. I don't see how Grid fits into that.
Killing two Predators in less than 3 minutes made the story move forward alot. Aswell as taking that guy that I don't remember the name. And aways appear leading the Xenos
I don't see how he falls into the category of 'plot device'. He's an antagonist.
Quote from: SrSpinelli on Jan 07, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
(even if you bring the argument that it's longer because he is from a different species, it doesn't make sense because of how long it toke for the chestburster to do it's thing.),
Makes perfect sense. Predators take longer. The end.
Quotesurviving being impaled, and surviving every fight except for the last one is not plot armor?
No, it isn't. He survived his first encounter with an Alien by killing it before it could strike. He survived his second by throwing the Alien at Lex. He survived his third by shooting the Aliens. He survived his fourth by Lex shooting the Alien in the head. None of that says plot armour.
QuoteKilling two Predators in less than 3 minutes made the story move forward alot. Aswell as taking that guy that I don't remember the name. And aways appear leading the Xenos
That's not what a plot device is. That's called a
character.
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 24, 2016, 03:21:40 AM
Every good Alien movie needs a futuristic or extraterrestrial setting.
Not necessarily. I mean, with the action set on Antarctica, this as well may be an isolated, harsh, extraterrestrial planet
While I can agree with you there, I personally believe (regardless of past, present of future in the timeline) that an Alien film should be set elsewhere other than earth since such a big deal was made about what would happen if Aliens got to earth, that said isolated places like Antarctica could contain the Aliens well enough.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:27:42 PM
While I can agree with you there, I personally believe (regardless of past, present of future in the timeline) that an Alien film should be set elsewhere other than earth since such a big deal was made about what would happen if Aliens got to earth, that said isolated places like Antarctica could contain the Aliens well enough.
Thats right, Antarctica is the only place where they could be. Its so isolated from civilization, its so harsh in environment , without settlements, transports, people etc, that its basically as if its not set on Earth. I loved that idea, but any other place....it should end like it ended in Book I - world infestation and armageddon
Only if the aliens survive, but they didn't, so the story could've happened anywhere.
Quotethat its basically as if its not set on Earth
Which makes me wonder what the point of being on Earth is in the first place.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 09, 2017, 01:23:00 PM
Which makes me wonder what the point of being on Earth is in the first place.
Budget
"Modern day relatability"
Would a future setting have affected the budget that much? Most of the film would still be shot in the studio.
The Alien films had plenty of modern day relatability without being stuck in 2004.
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 09, 2017, 03:48:30 PM
Would a future setting have affected the budget that much? Most of the film would still be shot in the studio.
The Alien films had plenty of modern day relatability without being stuck in 2004.
Weapon and vehicle-wise, a future setting requires creating them while a modern setting will allow the crew to use what is currently available
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 09, 2017, 01:23:00 PM
Only if the aliens survive, but they didn't, so the story could've happened anywhere.
Quotethat its basically as if its not set on Earth
Which makes me wonder what the point of being on Earth is in the first place.
They couldve call it some different planet and make their trip via spaceship instead of an icebreaker so there you go, thats why I dont see anything offensive with "how can aliens be on earth" in this very instance. As far as AVPR tho, thats a completely different ballgame
The Alien movies are not about stopping them getting to Earth. Mainly they're about survival and not letting WY get their hands on a specimen. So it doesn't matter that they've been on Earth before. They were in other places, and got their asses kicked. :P Why would Earth be any different?
QuoteThe Alien movies are not about stopping them getting to Earth. Mainly they're about survival and not letting WY get their hands on a specimen.
The bit about not letting the Company getting their hands on a specimen is to stop them getting to Earth.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 10, 2017, 12:58:33 AM
The Alien movies are not about stopping them getting to Earth. Mainly they're about survival and not letting WY get their hands on a specimen. So it doesn't matter that they've been on Earth before. They were in other places, and got their asses kicked. :P Why would Earth be any different?
Earth, or as youd call Gunnison county, is a lavish, full of life area. Theres absolutely no reason why aliens would not spread to the forests to the other animals, outside of the city limits at least. It should be what Ripley had feared in all of the movies - a mass, uncontrollable infection. Fortunately for Ripley and entire human kind, the buckteeth hilbilly aliens were kind enough not to spread AT ALL outside of this city limits. Ripley comes out as an idiot in AVPR because the aliens do end up on earth, and they do end up in populated area surrounded by life and more life, and nothing happens. They just stay in one place as if its a isolated colony on the moon and thats it. What a panicking paranoid looney she was, all these sacrifices and the alien did not destroy life on earth. Funny woman
I can appreciate the scope the first AVP has but I don't think it exactly delivers on what people expect from a proper AVP in terms of setting, creatures, rating, etc. AVPR tries to make up for this but somehow takes a massive step backwards and looks like it was produced with spare change from Fox.
A good Aliens vs. Predator can be made but it needs the right people and ideas behind it. Thing is though the quality of the first two has probably scared anyone from touching the idea ever again.
The AVP movies are spoken of the same way as Star Wars prequels
i was thinking... Netflix could make a mini series, maybe HBO, 6 episodes, AVP, it could be great and work way better, maybe, but it would need a big budget
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 10, 2017, 01:53:57 AM
The AVP movies are spoken of the same way as Star Wars prequels
LOL this may be blasphemy to some but the SW prequels were not as bad as the AVP films.
@gilfryd
If I had at least even a small movie budget (enough to make a movie these days anyway), competent crew and control over the project as director without fox meddling, I would have no issue making an AVP film and yes it would ignore the previous AVP movies and intentionally contradict it. No egg barfing...or sped up life cycle :P
Both films should have been way better than they were.
Just watched an interview with Studio ADI on YouTube and they said that they were given less money for the effects on AVP:R than they had originally got for the first movie. That explains the dim, dull, dark scenes, they couldn't afford any lights!
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 10, 2017, 01:53:57 AM
The AVP movies are spoken of the same way as Star Wars prequels
The Prequels are infinitely better than both AVP films combined
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 10, 2017, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 10, 2017, 12:58:33 AM
The Alien movies are not about stopping them getting to Earth. Mainly they're about survival and not letting WY get their hands on a specimen. So it doesn't matter that they've been on Earth before. They were in other places, and got their asses kicked. :P Why would Earth be any different?
Earth, or as youd call Gunnison county, is a lavish, full of life area. Theres absolutely no reason why aliens would not spread to the forests to the other animals, outside of the city limits at least.
They got nuked, that's the reason.
Quite.
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 23, 2017, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 10, 2017, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 10, 2017, 12:58:33 AM
The Alien movies are not about stopping them getting to Earth. Mainly they're about survival and not letting WY get their hands on a specimen. So it doesn't matter that they've been on Earth before. They were in other places, and got their asses kicked. :P Why would Earth be any different?
Earth, or as youd call Gunnison county, is a lavish, full of life area. Theres absolutely no reason why aliens would not spread to the forests to the other animals, outside of the city limits at least.
They got nuked, that's the reason.
That and despite having the whole day to do something that, they simply didn't, they only had four facehuggers and they got used up. Chet was in town, so nowhere near the forests to barf down any pregnant deer's throat lol The Aliens didn't even leave the sewers until night time, when Wolf accidentally gave them an entrance out.
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 23, 2017, 03:10:41 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 10, 2017, 01:27:38 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 10, 2017, 12:58:33 AM
The Alien movies are not about stopping them getting to Earth. Mainly they're about survival and not letting WY get their hands on a specimen. So it doesn't matter that they've been on Earth before. They were in other places, and got their asses kicked. :P Why would Earth be any different?
Earth, or as youd call Gunnison county, is a lavish, full of life area. Theres absolutely no reason why aliens would not spread to the forests to the other animals, outside of the city limits at least.
They got nuked, that's the reason.
The town wasnt an isolated colony in the middle of the moon, it had plenty of wildlife,was surrounded by forests and theres no reason why facehuggers didnt spread outside the city limits or impregnate anything outside city limits. They were very convenient to stay exactly in the city and not infect anything in the woods
It's not like it would've made much difference. They still would've gotten nuked. Obvious answer is the first viable hosts the huggers encountered were Buddy, Sam, and the homeless people.
Its like choosing between two bowell movements. But R is better simply because of the gore and the wolf were mildly cool
i would probably like avpr more than i do if i could actually see anything...
They both sucked.
I still remember when AvPR had the most votes in this poll
then tides changed and if you go down some fifty or so pages (or more) there should be that party posting for when AvP finally got the lead
I watched them both today and changed my vote to AvP.
Lately I've been revisiting older films I haven't seen their release. I guess I should be fair and give AvP a spin though I doubt my opinion will change much.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 22, 2017, 02:17:43 PM
Lately I've been revisiting older films I haven't seen their release. I guess I should be fair and give AvP a spin though I doubt my opinion will change much.
Well at least its better than Requiem and you can see what is going on. AVP makes for a good popcorn/drinking movie so its not the worst thing to watch.
Just rewatched both tonight. Yeah, it's no question, AVP is far superior. It feels like a true Alien movie. AVPR is nothing but a slasher flick & a really bad one at that.
I had AvP on in the background yesterday and glanced at it occasionally. It suffers from a the same problem as most Anderson films - his sets look like sets. The temple for all it's grandeur beyond anything AvP:R still doesn't look as real as anything in the other Alien flicks.
That said, there are some quite striking visuals - the red lit scenes in the whaling base at the start, particularly the before Miller opens the door to one of the huts and you get that homage to the laser scanner from Aliens. The shot of the Predator ship flying over Quinn with the wind sound cutting out for a second is a great shot too.
I think AVPR has it's moments too. The bit where Wolf eye-flashes Ray before slicing him up could be something straight out of P1 or P2. Nothing in AVP comes close to anything like that.
Pity Wolf slicing Ray up was utterly pointless.
Indeed, though not as pointless as skinning him and leaving him on show.
Killing him I kinda get. Leaving him hanging around skinned, not so much.
There are small isolated moments in AVPR that are worthwhile. They almost all involve the Predator & last for maybe 5-10 secs. I thought the temple in AVP looked fantastic. No, it doesn't look like anything from the previous Alien movies, but it's a difference environment & aesthetic.
Different certainly. It's just not completely convincing.
The sense of scale never came across to me. The pyramid was supposed to be massive but felt small.
I love AVP it is an amazing movie. The atmosphere is very good in it. Then we come to AvPR and i really dislike that movie. It feeled as a solid B movie. A teenage splatter movie kind off with no logic at all.
AVPR is perfect if you just want a slasher movie with aliens and predators.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 07, 2017, 02:00:45 AM
AVPR is perfect if you just want a slasher movie with aliens and predators.
Not really, slasher movies are not always crap i.e Halloween or scream. AVPR is a crap movie even as a slasher so trying to just watch it as a slasher gets the same result.
Quote from: xaero on Jun 07, 2017, 01:44:28 AM
I love AVP it is an amazing movie. The atmosphere is very good in it. Then we come to AvPR and i really dislike that movie. It feeled as a solid B movie. A teenage splatter movie kind off with no logic at all.
nah, the Godfather is an amazing movie, you are right about the atmosphere though, but it was also a (pg 13) splatter movie with no logic at all, avpr is not solid, is terrible in every aspect (but the music to a certain point, which is not bad but too recycled)
I'm surprised most people here dislike AVPR more than AVP.
I liked AVPR better for the increased gore (seriously, a PG13 film with Aliens and Predators was some bullshit), a single predator, and the small-town slasher B-movie horror vibe. It also didn't pretend to be anything other than that, either.
AVP was unforgivable for the PG13 rating, the lead actor using an Alien tail and head as a spear and shield (wtf?), and that mind baffling backstory shit about the Predators/Aliens/Humans. I still remember to this day the audience in my theater chanting "kiss! kiss!" when the lead woman knelt down towards the injured predator after she drowned the Alien queen. Thats how over it they were by then. It made Alien Resurrection look like a masterpiece at the time.
In recent years, I've come to view AVP in a more positive light, though. They're both better than 90% of original SyFy channel stuff.
AvPR is a much more immature film than AvP. AvP has the lower rating, sure. It pulls all of its punches. But every single thing about AvPR screams 14 year old COD players dreaming up the coolest, most "hardcore" horror film they can, rather than something that makes any sense or actually has any impact. People are introduced just so something awful can happen to them two minutes later. It's not scary, it's not tense, and it's shit even by slasher movie standards. AvP's not scary or tense either, but at least it's not trying to lie to you about being an adult movie.
I will always, always give AvP more credit for the simple fact that Anderson at least tried to make something of it. He gave it scope and he sincerely wanted to make a movie that put audiences back in the mood of the early films. And he absolutely failed. But the Strause Bros and co reached for the gutter and just dove right the f**k in almost purely to not be the previous film, and there's nothing terribly enjoyable about that.
AVP has scope and grandeur at least, and it does try to go back to the early films. It has insanely long buildup for a 2004 movie, and I realy appreciate this and enjoyed it. I always say the entire buildup up to the first Alien attack is imo to me very enjoyable (after that it turns into a silly video game). Great sets, design, some nice cinematography and some really good shots
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It fixed a lot of what I absolutely hated about A:R. It brought aliens back into the shadows. Heres an example, its basically same shot, and same design since they were reusing the suits. Yet, in A:R we have an overly slimy, growling fully lit monster, in AVP, we had very well lit, squealing creature
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I like the setting too - Antarctica is isolated with hostile environment - reminds me of LV, and The Thing. And there are few of classic Alien motifs like a small isolated group and being stranded in one enclosed place
AVP is most certainly superior and it has its merits, you can at least see they tried with it in terms of ideas and the potential of what it could have been. Requiem is just guttertrash.
I think AvP is the better one. The story seemed better in isolated place, for this one Antartica. There are engaging battle, like Celtic vs Grid and Scar vs Queen. The scene was good, but not as good as the Alien film and Predator film.
AvP-R is bad. Mindless Aliens and incompetent cleaner Predator is the one. Brightness also bad, combined with too over the top gore like the Bellybuster. AvP-R is like you want a horror but the threat appeared very often, which i think not scary. Think of Vallak, she appeared briefly but she was creepy.
AvP isn't a masterpiece but it has grown on me.
The setting is fantastic. An underground pyramid in Antarctica is pretty cool.
The Aliens are more dangerous and present more of a challenge.
There's a decent balance between the two species in terms of victories.
You can see the fight sequences more clearly in comparison to Requiem's absurd darkness.
The unrated edition increases the blood levels but never presents anything outright offensive.
It could've been better given the great concept they had. But as it stands, it's okay.
I don't HATE it like Requiem.
AvP had some good things going for it and a harder edge provided by an R rating would have benefited the movie.
That doesnt mean that all fans wanted is a bloody and gorey film. You cant throw out all the good things about avp and add a bunch of gore and say "hey we just gave you what you wanted!"
I really hate that argument, an R rating doesnt make a film great but when combined with other well done elements it can benefit the story, especially if its concerning adult material like both of these franchises. AvPR is just a shitty film with a horrible plot, when youre starting from that point no amount of blood or gorey imagery is going to help.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
That doesnt mean that all fans wanted is a bloody and gorey film.
If you go read the trailer reaction thread on here, you will see quite different. Most fans wanted gore. That was the number one complaint with AVP.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 09, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
If you go read the trailer reaction thread on here, you will see quite different. Most fans wanted gore. That was the number one complaint with AVP.
Doubtful, there are numerous issues, such as the rapid life-cycle speed which would be higher on the hated listed, it is kind of ironic as Covenant adopted that hated version and is currently a source of criticism for Covenant amongst other issues.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 09, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 09, 2017, 01:42:24 PM
That doesnt mean that all fans wanted is a bloody and gorey film.
If you go read the trailer reaction thread on here, you will see quite different. Most fans wanted gore. That was the number one complaint with AVP.
Despite having some good qaulities, the pg13 rating was one of several complaints, along with poor direction, some shoddy acting, and a by the numbers plot.
If the R rating is all we wanted from an AvP film then why is AvPR, with its blood and gore, a far worse film than AvP?
Like i said you cant just throw in blood and guts and strip out all the qaulities that worked in AvP and expect a better film.
I need to stop replying to your posts though, nothing constructive can come of a conversation between us. I should know better by now.
The fundamental -- and unsolvable -- problem any AvP film faces is to conciliate the horror atmosphere of the Alien films with the flamboyant action-horror of the Predator films; and the very idea of a story whose entire foundation is
to pit two popular horror characters against each other severely demeans both, i.e. it is far too pulp to take them seriously anymore.
With that in mind, any AvP has to be seen as separate to either Alien/Predator series. So when you see the first AvP as that -- on its own -- it gains a lot, it's an entertaining homage that echoes both film series and pulpifies the characters, making them into exaggerated comic book versions of them: bigger talons, bigger f**kin queen, bigger weapons and blades, you name it. And while not flawless it's solid, imho, only needed some refinements script-wise. Photography, score, effects are all excellent and the casting is alright, with a Henriksen shining tip.
AvPR on the other hand fails as a sequel to its predecessor
and fails as a film. It's a pastiche of "what cool things could the Predator do?" and generic horror clichés. SiL put it best actually:
Quote from: SiL on Jun 23, 2017, 11:05:17 AM
every single thing about AvPR screams 14 year old COD players dreaming up the coolest, most "hardcore" horror film they can, rather than something that makes any sense or actually has any impact. People are introduced just so something awful can happen to them two minutes later. It's not scary, it's not tense, and it's shit even by slasher movie standards. AvP's not scary or tense either, but at least it's not trying to lie to you about being an adult movie.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 14, 2017, 09:58:49 AM
The fundamental -- and unsolvable -- problem any AvP film faces is to conciliate the horror atmosphere of the Alien films with the flamboyant action-horror of the Predator films; and the very idea of a story whose entire foundation is to pit two popular horror characters against each other severely demeans both, i.e. it is far too pulp to take them seriously anymore.
With that in mind, any AvP has to be seen as separate to either Alien/Predator series. So when you see the first AvP as that -- on its own -- it gains a lot, it's an entertaining homage that echoes both film series and pulpifies the characters, making them into exaggerated comic book versions of them: bigger talons, bigger f**kin queen, bigger weapons and blades, you name it. And while not flawless it's solid, imho, only needed some refinements script-wise. Photography, score, effects are all excellent and the casting is alright, with a Henriksen shining tip.
AvPR on the other hand fails as a sequel to its predecessor and fails as a film. It's a pastiche of "what cool things could the Predator do?" and generic horror clichés. SiL put it best actually:
Quote from: SiL on Jun 23, 2017, 11:05:17 AM
every single thing about AvPR screams 14 year old COD players dreaming up the coolest, most "hardcore" horror film they can, rather than something that makes any sense or actually has any impact. People are introduced just so something awful can happen to them two minutes later. It's not scary, it's not tense, and it's shit even by slasher movie standards. AvP's not scary or tense either, but at least it's not trying to lie to you about being an adult movie.
I'm agree with you. It's kinda hard for these two become merged. Action oriented Predator and Horror oriented Alien was making it hard to merge it perfectly. People also don't want to see the same variation/mask over and over again, so people wanted to see some "new" things like Crocodile Alien(kinda awesome) or The White King(which is horrible).
Aliens is a good example of horror and action merging, though it wasn't as scary as the first film, it was very suspensful. Of course, a good script and 3d characters is a must, Requiem had neither, its not even a horror as its basically a slasher, a bad one at that.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 14, 2017, 09:58:49 AM
The fundamental -- and unsolvable -- problem any AvP film faces is to conciliate the horror atmosphere of the Alien films with the flamboyant action-horror of the Predator films; and the very idea of a story whose entire foundation is to pit two popular horror characters against each other severely demeans both, i.e. it is far too pulp to take them seriously anymore.
I'm not so sure this is unsolvable. The Predators have been humanised through the various mediums - even the lauded comic book (the one with the corporate Japanese girl who teams up with Broken Tusk?)... through the Anderson movie and then making Wolf a co-star in AvP:R. Even in "Predators" - we wanted "our" original predator to take out the bigger ones.
I was talking about this post last night with my nephew (we were pissed so I don't consider it to be that tragic a conversation) - the thing with the predators is that you have to de-humanise them. Like the baddies in War of the Worlds or (dare I say) Independence Day. Make them entirely unrelateable to humans aside from the obvious two arms and legs.
Human life should mean literally nothing to them. They should be entirely cruel - they get their kicks by hunting, torturing and killing things. Intelligent things. In a way, they could be portrayed as even more monstrous than the xenos. After all, they don't f**k each over or a percentage nor do they kill things for fun.
I guess that goes against established "lore" which likes to portray them as stoic and honourable and all that stuff, but if you're talking about a reboot, maybe you need to redefine the predators to make it work.
I imagine a Vietnam War vs Horror Movie for this sort of thing (but as I've said before, someone on here had a great idea about soldiers guarding a prison and the monsters turn up forcing cons and soldiers to work together), but something like that I think could really work. Man vs Nature in the weird alien jungle, Man vs Xenos, Predator vs Xenos, Man vs Predators...
But as I say, the secret as I see it is to make the predators even more horrid than the xenos who after all are only animals at the end of the day. Predator shouldn't be seen as heroes - they're bastards and we should be cheering each time a xeno or marine takes one out.
I'm reminded of a scene in the BattleStar Galactica reboot - remember how we loved our old red eye Cylons and all the fans were demanding to see the "older models." It was genius - they had "our" Cylons performing vivisection on live, screaming human men, women and children - entirely emotionless yet (artificially) intelligent beings performing a task. The screaming... the suffering means nothing to them.
That was pretty horrific. Apply that to the predators - I'd say you're on you way to a horror movie. With some action of course.,
Wolf wasn't really a co-star in AvP:R and human life did mean nothing to him. He (bizarrely) took time out to skin Ray and string him up, and he hung Dallas up to be bait.
I don't think humanisation of the Predator(s) has much to do with the tone of it. You inevitably are going for something pulp when you pit two horror characters against each other as the pitch for your story. It's just not going to be anything else.
Quote from: SM on Jul 15, 2017, 09:52:35 PM
Wolf wasn't really a co-star in AvP:R and human life did mean nothing to him. He (bizarrely) took time out to skin Ray and string him up, and he hung Dallas up to be bait.
And shot that guy in the graveyard for no reason, the guy didn't even know Wolf was there so he was hardly a threat.
He had a gun.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 16, 2017, 10:37:49 AM
I don't think humanisation of the Predator(s) has much to do with the tone of it. You inevitably are going for something pulp when you pit two horror characters against each other as the pitch for your story. It's just not going to be anything else.
I don't know - the "vs" concept is a tough one, but I think that it could work and not be pulpy if the story was done in the right way. If only I knew what way that was *lol*
In some respects, the humans caught in the middle ought to be incidental to the hunt (as they were in AvP), but perhaps the tale should be more about them trying to survive than the showpiece pitting the predators against the Xeno Queen (which, incidentally, is a good name for a band).
I still maintain that BSG Cylon bit could really be applied to the predators (not literally, but the whole idea of life meaning literally nothing to them). I hear what SM says about Wolf, but ... well... that was AvP:R. I'm surprised Wolf didn't arse-rape one of the homeless people and set fire to their hair or whatever "let's make it really sick" stuff the Bros came up with.
In the first Predator - the Predator really was "the enemy." He didn't do anything for laughs (like in 2 where he runs through the old girls apartment, the reprise of the ugly mo-fo line etc etc) and he was really horrid. They did the same in Predators to be fair, but as I say above - we had "our" predator in that one and we wanted him to win. So we identified with him.
I dunno - maybe I'm on a losing wicket. I would love to see a refreshed version of the AvP concept that takes the horror more seriously (not in Strausse Bros way).
But I'm not saying that its easy... perhaps you're right, Omega - maybe it will always be pulpy and comic-booky. I can see individual scenes in my mind's eye that says that isn't the case, but I can't come up with a solid concept (mind you, i'm a little hungover this morning...)
Quote from: SM on Jul 16, 2017, 08:49:51 PM
He had a gun.
Still not a threat and not a good reason. Wolf is supposed to be on a clean up, not a hunt.
Already shot to pieces by skinning Ray.
Wolf is a bit dumb all things considered.
Indeed.
No argument there, how he even lived so long to become a "veteran cleaner" is surprising after seeing how incompetent he is.
Wolf is not exactly mature for an elder either, gets wounded once in a situation where being wounded is guaranteered at least and he throws a temper tantrum and causes a blackout in the town by once again misuing his plasma casters, further aiding the Xenomorphs.
Yes, Wolf just seemed to be incompetent like skinning a man who didn't pose a threat and caused a blackout. If he a veteran cleaner he might hide himself better and not spam his plasma-caster, as it was the one who caused the blackout.
Rey was a threat. He was armed and was running off to warn others about what he saw - which was the Predator trying to cover its tracks. Wolf was trying to do all his job without attracting attention, to do that he had to deal with Ray.
Which made skinning him, instead making it look like an accident, monumentally stupid. And it got stupider the longer it went.
The PredAlien skinned him originally.
... I wish that wasn't a real sentence.
How did it do it? Genetically inherited wrist blades that pop-out like Wolverine?
Its own flesh and blood claws.
Of course.
Does anyone know if the quality of AVP:R on itunes is any good?
Probably just as rubbish as every other format.
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
Rey was a threat. He was armed and was running off to warn others about what he saw - which was the Predator trying to cover its tracks. Wolf was trying to do all his job without attracting attention, to do that he had to deal with Ray.
Which made skinning him, instead making it look like an accident, monumentally stupid. And it got stupider the longer it went.
Agree man, i didn't see that thought! Predators are suppossed to kill an armed person. Skinning here is the real incompetence. Wolf should have hid it, not skin it to attract unwanted attentions.
All he had to do was grab Ray by the throat and smack his head against a tree, breaking his neck, then throw him down a hill making it look liked he slipped and fell in the dark. It'd take a couple of days for the Sheriff to figure out that he didn't slip, which would give Wolf enough time to deal with the infestation.
Or he could have just dissolved the body with his magic blue liquid? Do we see him use that on humans? I can't remember.
Yeah that could've worked too. He used it on Buddy and Sam.
Bloo Goo... it's like Black Goo except it's also good for cleaning toilets.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: SM on Jul 24, 2017, 05:58:43 AM
Probably just as rubbish as every other format.
Hey now, be gentle. 8)
I just watched AVP and AVP:R back to back, and I can confidently say I like them more now than I did in the past. Especially the first one; I was paying attention to the detail of the statues and the art on the walls inside the Pyramid. AVP could have been a damn fine film if it had a solid director.
AVPR was a fun slasher fest, just as I remembered. 8)
Some of the sculptures on the columns and walls in AvP was pretty cool. I'm sure there was a ton of stuff that never got seen.
Quote from: Alionic on Jul 28, 2017, 02:37:02 AM
I just watched AVP and AVP:R back to back, and I can confidently say I like them more now than I did in the past. Especially the first one; I was paying attention to the detail of the statues and the art on the walls inside the Pyramid. AVP could have been a damn fine film if it had a solid director.
AVPR was a fun slasher fest, just as I remembered. 8)
I actually make the effort to avoid AvPR, but I can certainly watch AvP whenever it's televised. I also agree with you on the Pyramid. It still gives me a claustrophobic feeling when I watch the movie.
I voted for Paul W.S. Anderson.
AvP:R is the worst Alien movie of all time. By far.
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 28, 2017, 09:36:57 PM
Quote from: Alionic on Jul 28, 2017, 02:37:02 AM
I just watched AVP and AVP:R back to back, and I can confidently say I like them more now than I did in the past. Especially the first one; I was paying attention to the detail of the statues and the art on the walls inside the Pyramid. AVP could have been a damn fine film if it had a solid director.
AVPR was a fun slasher fest, just as I remembered. 8)
I actually make the effort to avoid AvPR, but I can certainly watch AvP whenever it's televised. I also agree with you on the Pyramid. It still gives me a claustrophobic feeling when I watch the movie.
I also enjoyed the abandoned Whaling Station. I appreciated how it was portrayed with sets and miniatures. At least Anderson utilized practical sets over CGI whenever he could, which should always be commended.
Only if they can pull it off.
AVP has a lot of flaws, but it's a perfectly entertaining popcorn flick and at least Anderson knows how to shoot an action scene. The Strause brothers are two fanboys who just wanted to put in as many references to the Alien and Predator movies and stomach churning moments as possible, without caring about good acting, a decent story or even if we can see the damn movie. Also, Chet looks ridiculous. AVP has Lance Henriksen and a Queen.
Wow. I watched AvP-R the first time since it hit Blu-Ray.
What an absolute piece of trash this film is. We have all these characters we follow, all with extremely dull development; none of which show any reason why we should be following them. They could have quite literally picked any person at random in the town and it would have made zero difference.
Everything xeno related, including the PredAlien, looks like a rubbery/foam creature from Power Rangers with lots of Vaseline applied to show up in the god awful dark color grading that makes any and everything hard to see. I have watched this on different HDTVs and projectors, and it's a showcase of how not to grade a movie; with blacks that get so crushed there is no discernible difference between the background and dark area on the creature.
The "build up" to the nuke felt like someone was trying to tell a joke, forgot all the lines, but delivers the punch line anyways.
AvP is, by orders of magnitude, a much better, yet still flawed, film.
I have a bit of nostalgia for AVPR.
I personally enjoyed AvP more then AvPR while I do agree they're both bad movies, I can't help but have a soft spot for the first AvP it's a guilty pleasure for me, while I wish A LOT of things could've been handled in both films (characters, plot, CGI, consistency with both species) I do feel that objectively the first one wasn't as good as my opinion likes to say, but also objectively it's better then AvPR.
I agree
AvP, while flawed, is lightyears ahead of AvPR.
I was barely able to sit through AvPR the second time. I doubt ill ever watch it a third time.
I have nostalgia for both but I think the first one is much better.
I was doing an alien/predator franchise movie marathon recently, I got up to AVPR but found that I couldn't finish it, managed to endure it up to the hospital hive scene then turned it off. I will have to get myself drunk I think before considering finishing it. I still got Prometheus and Covenant to do as well, at least they will be easier to deal with.
Story - AVP
Predator design - AVPR
Picked up AVP on UMD disc for the PSP a few days ago and this was my 1st repeat viewing in years.
I came away thinking it actually wasn't as bad as i remembered :-))
Nice set pieces, Lance H. is always a joy to watch, matey boy from Son's Of Anarchy was in there etc..
However i still really struggle with the slow-motion stuff and loathe the 10 minute gestation period for the Aliens...
The last aspect really kills it for myself.
AvP:R for Wolf and Wolf alone
Wolf wasn't exactly a good Predator, fans may like him because he was only bearable thing in a very bad movie but he was not competent, he was supposed to be a veteran, yet he acts like a newbie. Getting tantrums when wounded (being wounded should have been expected on a mission like this) causing blackouts and releasing the Xenomorphs from their hive, losing his weapon to humans, skinning a human for no reason (which would brought unwanted attention)
Wolf may look cool, have some cool toys but he was incompetent.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 10, 2018, 04:22:05 AM
I agree
AvP, while flawed, is lightyears ahead of AvPR.
I was barely able to sit through AvPR the second time. I doubt ill ever watch it a third time.
Agree completely. AvP has a cooler setting (haha) and a better concept. The Aliens are depicted as serious threats and the action is better. The extended edition also makes the film better, even if in a small way. I actually don't mind the film to be honest. But Requiem? Yuck.
Requiem is a horrible film, you think about how hard it is to get projects green-lit in Hollywood and come to the realization this was one that got through. Human characters are cardboard cut-outs, who are these people and why should I care? They're somehow stupider than the disgraceful representation of Xenomorphs put to screen. It's a complete abomination.
You know what though I absolutely love it. Two stoners get their heads blown off, I'm laughing my own off watching it. Wolf is one of my fave Preds of the series. As stated he's actually pretty incompetent in many areas but in some parts at least he gets shit done. I love seeing him solo fighting Xenos, that's a Predator in peak fighting form to me.
I think the concept is actually brilliant if executed correctly. I mean take that pizza guy for instance saying he couldn't do anything when they attacked. Imagine the implications behind that. You're at work, probably just having a chat with friends/co-workers and then this creature of nightmares comes and ends it all in the blink of an eye.
Like shit that is a terrifying thought and moments like that could make you feel the human weight of the story. That lies in a reality with bigger budgets and much, much, did I say much better story writing and acting.
AVP is better in every way. It's actually a well structured and original story with great set design, great mix of practical and cgi effects and great cinematography. It may not be perfect but you can tell Anderson actually gave a shit about what he was doing. It never got convoluted like Prometheus and covenant and it never became mind-numbingly stupid like AVPR and The Predator.
Oh and for everyone who says Wolf was the saving grace of AVPR: you do realize the aliens were turned into 4-foot-tall pussies, right? Praising wolf is like praising a boxer who's fight was rigged for him to win.
In my opinion AVPR is definitely the better movie because it had gore, lots of action and carnage.
And I love the ending.
Gore and carnage.
To be fair, AVP is bloodless.
So, I was ten and when AVPR released- The "blurb" enthused.
But I soon realized that, the "Unrated Edition" I received- a film unremarked upon until then.
I then realised this film, with these names- is bargain bin material.
Not that I ever thought it was great or anything but upon my recent viewing of AVPR it really occurred to me just how repugnant it is. It's so meanspirited and ugly.
AVP.
It sure is no masterpiece by any means but it did the one thing this crossover is all about better :
The aliens vs predator clashes.
That's what i wanted to see in an Alien vs Predator movie. And while AVP's big fight looks more like two dudes in rubber costumes wrestling on the ground than two deadly combatans in mortal combat, it sure is better than any fight in the sequel. There they look like one dude in a rubber costum throwing empty, floppy rubber costumes around.
I can forgive much in an crossover movie like Alien vs Predator. But screwing up the one thing it is all about is a no no. And in that part the first one delivers (slightly) more.
Its a draw for me on 2018. I don't even care.
I'm actually surprised by how close the votes are.
Well this thread was started on the day after release so back then I'm sure the AVPr hype was still there. Also, if I recall correctly the theatrical run was well lit. So everyone was able to make a basic judgement on the movie. Now with the awful home media transfer, you simply can't see shit.
I think I voted for AVPr because of how boring AVP was.
A lot of people were complaining about the darkness during the theatrical run.
Quote from: Predator2fanboy on Sep 30, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
In my opinion AVPR is definitely the better movie because it had gore, lots of action and carnage.
And I love the ending.
I hear what you're sayin' there. I sometimes find myself wondering which is worse. Then I watch them again. For all the narrative faults and character issues of AVPR, it at least feels like the directors gave a damn. The creatures create bloody havoc, and that's exactly what I expect from them. And I find wolfs scenes in the woods and at the power plant to be much more entertaining than anything from the first AVP film. No friendly creatures either, which was a big issue for me with AVP.
The first film just felt so....baby-ish. Everything, all of it, was horrifyingly watered down. Call it Peter Benchley's AVP, and I wouldn't even know the difference. I was waiting for the landshark to appear.
AVP.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 30, 2018, 06:20:50 PM
To be fair, AVP is bloodless.
So, I was ten and when AVPR released- The "blurb" enthused.
But I soon realized that, the "Unrated Edition" I received- a film unremarked upon until then.
I then realised this film, with these names- is bargain bin material.
But in your profile it is said that you're 6 years old now! LIAR!
Spoiler
:) :) :)
It's AVP without question.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 12, 2019, 12:38:34 AM
It's AVP without question.
The plastic faced predator, bad acting by the lead actress, cheesy team up and toned-down nature kill it for me.
I can't take friendly predators. I just can't.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2019, 12:44:06 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 12, 2019, 12:38:34 AM
It's AVP without question.
The plastic faced predator, bad acting by the lead actress, cheesy team up and toned-down nature kill it for me.
I can't take friendly predators. I just can't.
AVP-R has bad acting all around, a romantic subplot that goes nowhere and a predator with the iq of a corncob.
AVP at least tries to be something big, something unusual, something spectacular. It has scale. AVPR has none of it. That movie has to be used as definition of "trash"
And these teen love story ... bleh.
That's because Paul Anderson knows how to direct a movie. The brothers Strause clearly don't.
It was their first feature.
It showed.
Well --
You know what I mean.
Friendly predator = total ruination.
My favorite AvP story is the original comic series, which features a teamup. It's definitely not a problem for me, it was just done very poorly in the AvP film.
Still lightyears beyond AvPR.
AvP all day.
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2019, 03:52:11 PM
Friendly predator = total ruination.
I always pictured Voodoo as a "friendly Predator" before he changed his avatar to the teddy bear.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jul 12, 2019, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2019, 03:52:11 PM
Friendly predator = total ruination.
I always pictured Voodoo as a "friendly Predator" before he changed his avatar to the teddy bear.
Now he's double agent teddy. Hunting oomans by night, making buddies by day.
ALIEN VS PREDATOR VERSES ALIENS VS PREDATOR REQUIEM!
acting: Alien vs predator (2004) wins best for acting straight up!
CINEMATOGRAPHY: Alien vs predator (2004) slaps requiem consistently in the face. the image quality, lighting, and in requiem is quite poor
ACTION: well for the VISIBLE scenes in requiem, i think requiem wins action, violence etc. paul w s anderson's action in alien vs predator feels "censored".
Story: ALIEN VS PREDATOR(2004) takes the win, definitely. Even though the stakes of alien vs predator, being in Antarctica is not high, (what are they gonna do, kill some penguins?), the whole temple, predator mythology is really interesting. Requiem doesn't do anything except add the predator homeworld. also avp looks expensive and it looks like anderson tried. requiem looks like the directors and people behind it didnt give a shit.
when you sum up alien vs predator: it's explorers and scientist uncover a ancient pyramid were predators kept xenomorphs' to hunt for the right of passage. the pyramid changes every 10 minutes like a never ending maze.
when you sum up requiem: a predator scout ship crash lands in a small town, unleashing facehuggers and xenomorphs. a group of annoying teenagers must try make it out the town, or die. it is literally about a couple of annoying teens running around screaming in pitch black with a few xenomorphs nocking on peoples bedroom windows and chasing people down the road.
HOW THE HELL DID AN ALIEN AND PREDATOR APEAR IN A SMALL BUDGET SLASHER FILM!!!
AVP's not good but, every entry's superior to AVP Requiem, in either franchise regardless.
Quote from: thexenomorphfanboy on Mar 08, 2020, 04:12:54 AM
ALIEN VS PREDATOR VERSES ALIENS VS PREDATOR REQUIEM!
acting: Alien vs predator (2004) wins best for acting straight up!
CINEMATOGRAPHY: Alien vs predator (2004) slaps requiem consistently in the face. the image quality, lighting, and in requiem is quite poor
ACTION: well for the VISIBLE scenes in requiem, i think requiem wins action, violence etc. paul w s anderson's action in alien vs predator feels "censored".
Story: ALIEN VS PREDATOR(2004) takes the win, definitely. Even though the stakes of alien vs predator, being in Antarctica is not high, (what are they gonna do, kill some penguins?), the whole temple, predator mythology is really interesting. Requiem doesn't do anything except add the predator homeworld. also avp looks expensive and it looks like anderson tried. requiem looks like the directors and people behind it didnt give a shit.
when you sum up alien vs predator: it's explorers and scientist uncover a ancient pyramid were predators kept xenomorphs' to hunt for the right of passage. the pyramid changes every 10 minutes like a never ending maze.
when you sum up requiem: a predator scout ship crash lands in a small town, unleashing facehuggers and xenomorphs. a group of annoying teenagers must try make it out the town, or die. it is literally about a couple of annoying teens running around screaming in pitch black with a few xenomorphs nocking on peoples bedroom windows and chasing people down the road.
HOW THE HELL DID AN ALIEN AND PREDATOR APEAR IN A SMALL BUDGET SLASHER FILM!!!
At least from what I know on the last bit is that they didn't have the money for it and yet did it anyways. A quick google search says its about a 40 million dollar budget. That makes sense seeing as a lot of props and creatures are reused from the last movie ill-fitted and all. Most of the budget likely went into the Predator and Alien redesign as well as creating the Predalien. I'd also heard a rumor that the town they shot in also bled them for money as much as being complete pains in the ass to work with.
According to IMDB the film is written by Shane Salerno who after taking a look at his past and present works reveals why the film focused on who it did, he's a TV writer who primarily worked on crime dramas. The Strause brothers are also visual FX people (ironically) who somehow got the directing chair. They've got a pretty good work history but that's like putting someone who knows how to play guitar on defusing a bomb, it's a whole different ballgame.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 12, 2019, 09:19:15 AM
AVP at least tries to be something big, something unusual, something spectacular. It has scale. AVPR has none of it. That movie has to be used as definition of "trash"
And these teen love story ... bleh.
I agree. You can definitely see the effort put into the sets, props, and visuals on AVP; Paul W.S. Anderson genuinely tried to make a good movie, even though he failed spectacularly - at least he tried, and it shows. The art designs of the predators and aliens on the interior pyramid walls was great.
AvPR would've been a bit better if it wasn't so dark. The lighting was straight up garbage on top of everything else.
QuoteAccording to IMDB the film is written by Shane Salerno who after taking a look at his past and present works reveals why the film focused on who it did, he's a TV writer who primarily worked on crime dramas.
And the first AvP.
And Armageddon.
AvP is 5/10. AvPR is the WORST Alien or Predator movie of all time.
Quote from: RidleyScott99 on Mar 13, 2020, 09:32:23 PM
AvP is 5/10. AvPR is the WORST Alien or Predator movie of all time.
Aside from The Predator, which destroys the soul of all who watch it.
I know, because I watched it.
I haven't watched The Predator. Is it truly worse than AvPR?
It seems to go back and forth depending on who you talk to.
Personally, I think AVPR was at least trying to be scary and let aliens be aliens and predators be predators.
The Predator was just a poorly written comedy. I'll take AVPR over it any day.
I think AvPR is worse IMO
...but when two things are so crappy who cares?
We should create a thread and attempt to achieve consensus.
Even if The Predator is better than Requiem, that's not much of an achievement.
The Predator is better than AVPR but yeah... that doesn't say much.
Which absolutely pains me, because I really like Shane Black.
I think The Predator is better than AvPR but yeah, both of them are really bad movies.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 14, 2020, 01:00:57 AM
I haven't watched The Predator. Is it truly worse than AvPR?
No. Not even close.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 14, 2020, 01:00:57 AM
I haven't watched The Predator. Is it truly worse than AvPR?
At one point the protagonist shoots a Predator dog in the head which domesticates it, making an instant Predator Puppy pet.
Yeah, it's worse.
Quote from: SM on Mar 14, 2020, 11:08:09 PM
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 14, 2020, 01:00:57 AM
I haven't watched The Predator. Is it truly worse than AvPR?
No. Not even close.
Indeed. It's way too terrible to be anywhere near just worse. The Predator makes AVPR look like it deserved an academy award.
How the hell is a ''Predator dog'' even a thing ???
Woof.
Further proof giving dreadlocks to anything Alien or extraterrestrial other than the titular Predator itself's incorrect.
It's not even close to be being worse than AvPR. It's certainly down at the bottom of the pile with AvPR, but it's still above it.
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Yep! The caliber of the cast alone gives it many many many extra points over AvPR imho! And that the characters are actually likable, interesting and memorable compared.
Correct.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 16, 2020, 12:35:19 PM
Yep! The caliber of the cast alone gives it many many many extra points over AvPR imho! And that the characters are actually likable, interesting and memorable compared.
Thomas Jane was in it, and that little blonde guy from Logan.
That's all I remember.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 16, 2020, 11:00:20 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 16, 2020, 12:35:19 PM
Yep! The caliber of the cast alone gives it many many many extra points over AvPR imho! And that the characters are actually likable, interesting and memorable compared.
Thomas Jane was in it, and that little blonde guy from Logan.
That's all I remember.
That's because Thomas Jane should have been the lead. Or Sterling K Brown.
To me though, with these actors and characters, I don't know how this group of lovelies does anything but detract points.
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Still more memorable than AvPR's characters.
But in a good way? ;)
100% yes.
Thomas Jane definitely should have been the lead.
Nothing against the guy who was in the lead role, but Thomas Jane can pull off that character type better imo.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 18, 2020, 01:27:31 PM
Thomas Jane definitely should have been the lead.
Nothing against the guy who was in the lead role, but Thomas Jane can pull off that character type better imo.
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Weyland, Miller and Verheiden were kinda interesting.
The only one with potential in AvP:R was Kelly. They could've done a whole abandonment thing with her -she abandons her daughter and husband for her career then abandons her husband again when the Aliens attack. They could've done a take on 'what if Ripley made it home to confront a daughter who chose career over her child?'
Instead she was the dullest of a pretty dull crew.
Quote from: JokersWarPig on Mar 18, 2020, 01:27:31 PM
Thomas Jane definitely should have been the lead.
Nothing against the guy who was in the lead role, but Thomas Jane can pull off that character type better imo.
Hmm, I can see that
They are not great but I enjoy the first one more. AVPR is much worse. I haven't seen it in a long time but the actors were bad and it was too dark if I remember right.
Quote from: SM on Mar 18, 2020, 09:16:33 PM
Weyland, Miller and Verheiden were kinda interesting.
The only one with potential in AvP:R was Kelly. They could've done a whole abandonment thing with her -she abandons her daughter and husband for her career then abandons her husband again when the Aliens attack. They could've done a take on 'what if Ripley made it home to confront a daughter who chose career over her child?'
Instead she was the dullest of a pretty dull crew.
The characters do stand out more in the first film, even if the characterization is low. They are easier to remember as well because the scenes they are in stand out a bit. The film definitely needed more character development among other things but overall it has its moments.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 16, 2020, 12:35:19 PM
Yep! The caliber of the cast alone gives it many many many extra points over AvPR imho! And that the characters are actually likable, interesting and memorable compared.
Thomas Jane was in it, and that little blonde guy from Logan.
That's all I remember.
That's because Thomas Jane should have been the lead. Or Sterling K Brown.
To me though, with these actors and characters, I don't know how this group of lovelies does anything but detract points.
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Man, I hated all of that gum smacking Brown did throughout the film...so dang annoying! haha
I re-watched AvP last night and really enjoyed the music during the intro ship scenes where the teens were getting ready for the hunt.
This is such a tough call because I love them both. But I may just go with AVPR. I might change my mind though.
AVPR, I found it more entertaining, the hard R rating helps a bit. The better directed movie is the first one though.
AVP might not have been a great movie, but you can tell that Paul Anderson was trying.
Or had genuinely interesting sci-fi ideas
There's also some pretty good puppet work in AVP.
I didn't saw AVP's rehabilitation coming ! ;)
AVPR ages like a fine wine I tell ya!!!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 02:40:21 AM
AVPR ages like a fine wine I tell ya!!!
It gets better with every viewing.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 02:40:21 AM
AVPR ages like a fine wine I tell ya!!!
Rather like urine
Also helps to watch with a strong drink I must say :laugh:
Helps best to just now watch it at all. ;)
How dare you all besmirch the classic that is AvPR!!!
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Quote from: Kradan on Dec 01, 2020, 07:55:39 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 01, 2020, 02:40:21 AM
AVPR ages like a fine wine I tell ya!!!
Rather like urine
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 03:28:13 PM
Also helps to watch with a strong drink I must say :laugh:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 01, 2020, 03:31:32 PM
Helps best to just now watch it at all. ;)
;D These are great and I agree. :P
For AvPR, maybe if one deleted all of the scenes where there were only human characters in it, it make for a better film. ;D
Yeah, human drama in that movie is insufferable. I cared about Miller's quest to impress his own kids more than about entirety of AVPR's cast :P
Hey they made a teen movie with preds and aliens in it, let's rejoice !
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Hey they made a teen movie with preds and aliens in it, let's rejoice !
Loved it! <3
AvP is disgustingly mediocre in all regards. AvPR is so aggressively stupid and cheap that it manages a sliver of 80's charm.
Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 06, 2020, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Hey they made a teen movie with preds and aliens in it, let's rejoice !
Loved it! <3
Honestly seeing teens getting slaughtered satisfies me quite much !
Requiem is a campy 80s movie?
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 06, 2020, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 06, 2020, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Hey they made a teen movie with preds and aliens in it, let's rejoice !
Loved it! <3
Honestly seeing teens getting slaughtered satisfies me quite much !
I think any movie will work if it is well written and directed.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 06, 2020, 08:49:49 PM
Requiem is a campy 80s movie?
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 06, 2020, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: TurokSwe on Dec 06, 2020, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 01, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Hey they made a teen movie with preds and aliens in it, let's rejoice !
Loved it! <3
Honestly seeing teens getting slaughtered satisfies me quite much !
I think any movie will work if it is well written and directed.
And properly lit !
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 08, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
And properly lit !
*being that guy* properly graded.
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This part was not so dark. I must be in the minority, but I would have liked the movie to stay there and not go anywhere. We see Wolf taking off towards Earth, but
we are still there, seeing the Predators doing things in their daily lives on this strange planet.
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On the upside we would've actually seen Predators doing things in their daily lives on this strange planet.
On the downside - we would've actually seen Predators doing things in their daily lives on this strange planet.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 06, 2020, 04:47:46 PM
AvP is disgustingly mediocre in all regards.
Disagree. The sets, their design and most importantly cinematography are really good. And huge credit for an actual buildup. It was always surprising to me that anyone would choose AVP:R over the first one but I guess we're all very different people. Also, while I wont deny the quality of the films are cartoony (AVP) or amateurish (AVPR), I think the credit should be given where its due, and AVP has some really good cinematography and shots
Quote from: SM on Dec 08, 2020, 10:13:22 PM
On the upside we would've actually seen Predators doing things in their daily lives on this strange planet.
On the downside - we would've actually seen Predators doing things in their daily lives on this strange planet.
Wouldn't you like to see the Predator complaining about taxes, playing otherworldly Football, and sharing his hunts on Tik Tok?
I would be interested in some hunting Tik Toks.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 08, 2020, 11:55:47 PM
The sets
Although the blend of practical and CGI is very impressive, I think the actual design of the sets is poo.
Gunnison, Colorado is so much better, yeah ?
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 09, 2020, 09:17:56 PM
Gunnison, Colorado is so much better, yeah ?
Nah, I prefer Chigusa Corp space ranches.
There is a look that I can't put my finger on with some Anderson film sets that scream 'fake'.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 08, 2020, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 06, 2020, 04:47:46 PM
AvP is disgustingly mediocre in all regards.
Disagree. The sets, their design and most importantly cinematography are really good. And huge credit for an actual buildup. It was always surprising to me that anyone would choose AVP:R over the first one but I guess we're all very different people. Also, while I wont deny the quality of the films are cartoony (AVP) or amateurish (AVPR), I think the credit should be given where its due, and AVP has some really good cinematography and shots
Sets and cinematography are at the service of good story and interesting characters, two things AVP don't have. Besides that, it's a PG movie with alien and predator in it, absolute disgrace. Terrible movie overall.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 09, 2020, 10:13:17 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 09, 2020, 09:17:56 PM
Gunnison, Colorado is so much better, yeah ?
Nah, I prefer Chigusa Corp space ranches.
Well, yes, Obviously
Quote from: SM on Dec 09, 2020, 10:48:44 PM
There is a look that I can't put my finger on with some Anderson film sets that scream 'fake'.
They're over-designed to look cool.
The Lewis and Clarke from
Event Horizon is great, but the Event Horizon herself looks like a set. Nothing about the interior looks like something anyone would actually design as a spaceship, but Anderson wanted gothic arches and spinning blade corridors so here we are.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 10, 2020, 09:20:01 AM
but Anderson wanted gothic arches and spinning blade corridors
Should'a just done warhammer.
I never got that fake feeling from EH despite the fact it makes zero sense.
I was thinking more Resident Evil and The Three Musketeers.
Ironically Resident Evil used a lot of real locations (the first one anyway) so I can't help there.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2020, 11:40:15 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 08, 2020, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 06, 2020, 04:47:46 PM
AvP is disgustingly mediocre in all regards.
Disagree. The sets, their design and most importantly cinematography are really good. And huge credit for an actual buildup. It was always surprising to me that anyone would choose AVP:R over the first one but I guess we're all very different people. Also, while I wont deny the quality of the films are cartoony (AVP) or amateurish (AVPR), I think the credit should be given where its due, and AVP has some really good cinematography and shots
Sets and cinematography are at the service of good story and interesting characters, two things AVP don't have. Besides that, it's a PG movie with alien and predator in it, absolute disgrace. Terrible movie overall.
Still at least AVP has some great shots, and if no one likes it at least the fact remains it does have grand cinematic visuals, giving the movie a sense of scale. Story quality of course is something to debate on but the movie sure looks like a big cinematic picture, as oppose to the cheap, unartistic feel and look to the B horror story of the second one
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 14, 2020, 10:34:10 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2020, 11:40:15 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Dec 08, 2020, 11:55:47 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 06, 2020, 04:47:46 PM
AvP is disgustingly mediocre in all regards.
Disagree. The sets, their design and most importantly cinematography are really good. And huge credit for an actual buildup. It was always surprising to me that anyone would choose AVP:R over the first one but I guess we're all very different people. Also, while I wont deny the quality of the films are cartoony (AVP) or amateurish (AVPR), I think the credit should be given where its due, and AVP has some really good cinematography and shots
Sets and cinematography are at the service of good story and interesting characters, two things AVP don't have. Besides that, it's a PG movie with alien and predator in it, absolute disgrace. Terrible movie overall.
Still at least AVP has some great shots, and if no one likes it at least the fact remains it does have grand cinematic visuals, giving the movie a sense of scale. Story quality of course is something to debate on but the movie sure looks like a big cinematic picture, as oppose to the cheap, unartistic feel and look to the B horror story of the second one
It is totally above AVPR on a technical level, no doubt about it.
Yeah, but does AvP have egg barfing?
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AvPR for the win!
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You're saying like it's a good thing
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IMO
Technical level : AVP > AVPR
Plot & characters : AVP = AVPR
Overall fun : AVPR > AVP
As much as I dislike Requiem, final showdown between Chet and Wolf was cool
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 15, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
As much as I dislike Requiem, final showdown between Chet and Wolf was cool
From what we COULD actually see from it, yes indeed :laugh:
I actually thought that lack of lighting and rain worked in scene's favor
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 15, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
I actually thought that lack of lighting and rain worked in scene's favor
I must say you got a point, it also allowed us to not fully see Wolf's disappointing face :laugh:
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 15, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
As much as I dislike Requiem, final showdown between Chet and Wolf was cool
Even though I had always been very vocal about how bad AVPR is, theres actually a few good ideas/elements and sequences in it, despite plenty of bad ones. Over a decade ago I used to write these long posts explaining what I liked about the two films. Gotta put all this again in some blog so I can reference it when necessary
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 15, 2020, 06:36:54 PM
I actually thought that lack of lighting and rain worked in scene's favor
It worked in the scene's favour by helping mask what a dumb fight it was.
Some of the creature vfx for AvPr were good. The Alien set design (the hive) was also pretty nifty. Too bad you couldnt see it during the movie.
Only thing I liked about AvPR was blonde chick getting harpooned to the wall.
AvPR is a perfectly acceptable low budget 80's slasher flick.
Too bad it wasn't made in the 80's and cost millions of dollars.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 16, 2020, 09:25:39 AM
AvPR is a perfectly acceptable low budget 80's slasher flick.
Too bad it wasn't made in the 80's and cost millions of dollars.
Indeed, more acceptable than the big budget 80's slasher flick Alien Covenant :P
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 16, 2020, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 16, 2020, 09:25:39 AM
AvPR is a perfectly acceptable low budget 80's slasher flick.
Too bad it wasn't made in the 80's and cost millions of dollars.
Indeed, more acceptable than the big budget 80's slasher flick Alien Covenant :P
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Quote from: Kradan on Dec 16, 2020, 11:25:51 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 16, 2020, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 16, 2020, 09:25:39 AM
AvPR is a perfectly acceptable low budget 80's slasher flick.
Too bad it wasn't made in the 80's and cost millions of dollars.
Indeed, more acceptable than the big budget 80's slasher flick Alien Covenant :P
https://i.imgur.com/Ras9nCt.gif
Why this doesn't surprise me ? ;)
Idk
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 16, 2020, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 16, 2020, 09:25:39 AM
AvPR is a perfectly acceptable low budget 80's slasher flick.
Too bad it wasn't made in the 80's and cost millions of dollars.
Indeed, more acceptable than the big budget 80's slasher flick Alien Covenant :P
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Nothing will change my mind ! Great cinematography in Covenant though !
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 16, 2020, 08:42:18 PM
Nothing will change my mind ! Great cinematography in Covenant though !
On the opposite, to me Covenant is completely bland. There are no shots that would look great as a framed image. Night is basically a black canvas and thats where the artists can work, create art, give the darkness some character. I dont see anything interesting either in color or contrast during night scenes. Thats a polar opposite to Alien or blade runner where Scott liked to play so much with silhouettes, harsh light. This I think is one of my all time favorite shots in any movie
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There are plenty of great shots of the ship, planet and Engineer city.
Quote from: SM on Dec 17, 2020, 05:32:02 AM
There are plenty of great shots of the ship, planet and Engineer city.
Of course its subjective but for me nearly everything in Covenant have a look of a low key generic Netflix movie. It doesnt have a character. All subjective of course
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Just a handful of shots from Covenant that I happen to find really striking. I remember thinking everything looked so flat and lifeless in the trailers, only to find myself shockingly engaged with the visuals (and the narrative) in ways I honestly wasn't expecting walking into the theater. Once you start really leaning into the gothic horror trappings of the film, there is a lot going on. Hammer horror Alien, in a sense, and it visually takes that to heart.
Ill agree some of those are good shots but I just dont like the color grading and shadowing, I think it isnt very distinctive from the other films of the same era and the desaturation is also being overdone in those days imo
Me thinks Prometheus is so much purtier than Covenant.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 05:04:54 PM
Me thinks Prometheus is so much purtier than Covenant.
Prometheus is absolutely gorgeous. Almost distractingly so, in that sometimes I find myself so enamored by what the film looks like that I almost lose sight of its myriad of problems. :D
They both have different strengths, in my opinion, and where
Prometheus visually sells its grand, epic scale (and I'm a real sucked for Iceland on film; I would really love to visit there one day), I think
Covenant's gothic stylings are a bit more my speed. Both of them are cooky old man Ridley in top form, though. Or, well, at his cooky old man Ridleyest. One more, please.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 17, 2020, 05:10:20 PM
Both of them are cooky old man Ridley in top form, though.
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Ridley you madman. If only this movie came out in the 50s and starred Peter Cushing as Walter and David, then everyone would see it for what it is. :D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 17, 2020, 05:04:54 PM
Me thinks Prometheus is so much purtier than Covenant.
Yes absolutely agree. For me its almost a constrast of AvP and AVPR in a way, in that the first one looks georgeous and grand, and has a epic scale, while the second obe is much much smaller in scope and look like a straight to video or straight to app films. At the same time, I applaud trying something completely different for the sequel and changing the feel and style so much
Alien Covenant's a visually and auditorily rich film, the whole thing being like a collection of morose paintings, twisted dreams now come to life.
I agree with Strange Shapes. I think Covenant looks quite boring and generic compared to most of Scott's film. It has an air of mid 2000s slashers with its high contrast, low saturation look.
I understand that point of view but do not agree, as others before me say again, it's gothic horror romantic to the bone and the look's intentional to that affect.
I'm not asking you to agree.
And it also lacks the romance of gothic imagery. It's muddy and dull.
Like a Neil Jordan Directed film.
Marcus Nispel was my first thought actually.
I believe it looks like the Neil Jordan Interview With The Vampire and Byzantium, gothic horror, definitely romantic.
I think it uncomfortably resembles the 2003 Texas Chainsaw remake.
I think Covenant is a beautiful film, I'm always surprised when someone says otherwise.
I think elments of Covenant are pretty nice, but there are some shots that do look booty though.
Like when the Alien is stalking around the completely bland looking hallways at the end of the movie. That looked pure 90's SCIFI channel movie.
I do think the last act in general's a mess.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 18, 2020, 01:25:11 AM
I think Covenant is a beautiful film, I'm always surprised when someone says otherwise.
Same. I feel like Covenant was kind of Alien prequel Prometheus should've been - and in terms of visuals too
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 18, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 18, 2020, 01:25:11 AM
I think Covenant is a beautiful film, I'm always surprised when someone says otherwise.
Same. I feel like Covenant was kind of Alien prequel Prometheus should've been - and in terms of visuals too
You mean with all the tech clearly more advanced than what we saw in Alien despite it being set before ? ;)
Covenant toned it down a fair bit more. Sure, there were still holograms but in terms of the set design aesthetic, it was more in the right direction with all the knobs and flicks and switches.
I agree though. Covenant felt to me like a do-over. It felt like it had more in line with Spaihts' original Prometheus script and I liked it a lot more for that. It still suffered the same problem with the Alien being shoehorned in at the end though.
Yeah, the "proper" Alien and the mini-Alien remake in the third act is far and away the worst part of Covenant. I would have been ok if the Alien had waited until a third film to show up - but I guess now we aren't likely to get that third film.
Nah the stuff on the cargo lift is pretty cool.
Yes, yes it is ! I love score in that scene
I love the whole film's score, but in the story, I believe the last act by far the worst part of the film overall with the first being the best.
I would say middle act with all of David's shenanigans is the best. At least, most original part of the movie
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 18, 2020, 12:16:01 PM
Yeah, the "proper" Alien and the mini-Alien remake in the third act is far and away the worst part of Covenant. I would have been ok if the Alien had waited until a third film to show up - but I guess now we aren't likely to get that third film.
Yeah, that last act just doesn't hold my interest. To me, that act really feels like what I'd imagine an umpteenth Alien sequel would feel like by a lesser director using competent but forgettable actors that don't demand your attention (excluding Fassbender of course). And the evil twin "twist" is what I'd expect from a B movie writer. I don't want to be too harsh. I know it has its fans. It's fine, I guess, for what it is... but not when it's measured up to the older films or Ridley's* previous work overall in my humble opinion.
*edited out a formatting error.
I honestly think it falls off a cliff in quality the minute our faithful Captain Oram chooses to trust David after eliminating the threat, if he and Daniels teamed up against the remaining one on the Cargo Lift, suddenly the finale becomes a much more appealing premise with them finally putting aside their differences to accomplish a goal.
This way during that sequence the behaviour of the antagonist serves a consistent purpose, crawling through engines directly, attacking the glass in the way it does, then charging the crane makes much more sense coming from a Neomorph rather than a Praetomorph and also creates a contrast of depicted intelligence when the title being's born later.
Bypassing the requirement for near instant implantation and near instant incubation if, one of our protagonists becomes infected on the planet earlier, then carries it off world later giving us the pivotal Alien Covenant near the conclusion with the birth of the first one.
Yeah, I agree for the most part. Overall I think I would've preferred the film only having one Xeno, the one on the Covenant. The way it plays out now with the first one being killed moments after it's born, before another one bursts out of Lope, it kind of loses some impact. Oram surviving longer could've worked pretty well, only downside is you lose the little birthing moment with David. :P
And generally I think the third act would've worked better if was a bit longer, and more horror/suspense focused.. And I'd have liked to see more of Lope, instead of the offscreen death.
I don't love the twist myself, but I also don't see any other way of getting David onboard with believability, perhaps it's more of an issue with the idea surpassing the execution itself though.
I know a number of people may argue the inclusion of the titular Alien's ultimately harmful, but I think the core focus of the story's creation, and so then if it's entirely excluded the point's lost so you move that birth to within the Covenant then.
But this all stated, I do still enjoy the film, for what it is.
I would've liked Oram's Alien to survive and get on board of Covenant. Idk, it could've hid somewhere on cargo lift. Or just blend with its surface - like Big Chap on Narcissus . I can sacrifice Alien being choped off by crane but David watching as Oram gives birth to an Alien ? Nononononono
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 18, 2020, 04:50:14 PM
I don't love the twist myself, but I also don't see any other way of getting David onboard with believability, perhaps it's more of an issue with the idea surpassing the execution itself though.
I personally think if they had used another actor for Walter, say actor Paul Bettany just for an example, it would have worked brilliantly. At the end we learn that David had uploaded/infected his consciousness into Walter.... audiences would have been shocked. They wouldn't have seen that coming.
And maybe even better: If one is trying to placate that desire to keep Fassbender... Bettany Walter could say he killed David, but the hidden truth is Walter has been infected by David and subsequently allowed David to sneak on the ship. Then, once the pod closes on Daniels as she is about to drift in hypersleep, to her horror, David walks out into view and stands next to Walter. She screams!
Now we have two bad androids!
I need that Fassbender x Fassbender action though :-*
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 18, 2020, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 18, 2020, 04:50:14 PM
I don't love the twist myself, but I also don't see any other way of getting David onboard with believability, perhaps it's more of an issue with the idea surpassing the execution itself though.
I personally think if they had used another actor for Walter, say actor Paul Bettany just for an example, it would have worked brilliantly. At the end we learn that David had uploaded/infected his consciousness into Walter.... audiences would have been shocked. They wouldn't have seen that coming.
And maybe even better: If one is trying to placate that desire to keep Fassbender... Bettany Walter could say he killed David, but the hidden truth is Walter has been infected by David and subsequently allowed David to sneak on the ship. Then, once the pod closes on Daniels as she is about to drift in hypersleep, to her horror, David walks out into view and stands next to Walter. She screams!
Now we have two bad androids!
Now that's creative and would've enjoyed that more than what the movie gave us.
I don't know, I think you lose a whole lot of David's infatuation with himself if you cast Walter differently. The two being mirror images, brothers alike in every way, except one is a ruler/creator and the other a servant, is kind of the whole running theme of the film distilled. Sure, the twist would be more "shocking" for the audience if David popped up in a distinctly friendly face, but nothing going into the reveal would have been nearly as effective.
Yet to me, and what I would perceive as in generally to the masses that saw it, what your describing is not conveyed effectively enough that creates a quandry to make it worthy to keep in such an ineffective twist, some would suggest a sophmoric eyeroll inducing literary trope. That's a tough sell to me and an appropriate answer to the common question: You know you have a script problems when?
But maybe the simplest answer is to keep all that before it, they should have just dropped the twist, if your goal is an intelligent movie with deep themes. A gentle refresher in Writing 101 is needed I think. They needed to figure out a different way to get from B to C. If your evil twin swap twist is obvious and overused, it doesn't work, especially if your goal is a very intelligent product. Toss it.
Of course the situation is muddled with a writer who thinks the twist works, conflicting with a director that says while the swap is hidden, it's intentionally obvious to everyone... except to the main character. Houston, we have a problem.
Just my point of view. No ill will intended to those who enjoy that moment! :)
Quote from: Evanus on Dec 18, 2020, 06:35:13 PM
I need that Fassbender x Fassbender action though :-*
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Ah, a good point! :laugh:
Quote from: Master Chief on Dec 18, 2020, 06:44:53 PM
Now that's creative and would've enjoyed that more than what the movie gave us.
Thanks man! Glad you liked it! We all could probably come up with a bunch more of great ideas if we all put our heads together! :)
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Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 18, 2020, 04:50:14 PM
I don't love the twist myself, but I also don't see any other way of getting David onboard with believability, perhaps it's more of an issue with the idea surpassing the execution itself though.
I personally think if they had used another actor for Walter, say actor Paul Bettany just for an example, it would have worked brilliantly. At the end we learn that David had uploaded/infected his consciousness into Walter.... audiences would have been shocked. They wouldn't have seen that coming.
And maybe even better: If one is trying to placate that desire to keep Fassbender... Bettany Walter could say he killed David, but the hidden truth is Walter has been infected by David and subsequently allowed David to sneak on the ship. Then, once the pod closes on Daniels as she is about to drift in hypersleep, to her horror, David walks out into view and stands next to Walter. She screams!
Now we have two bad androids!
:o Wow! What a twist, both are good actually. In the movie it's more like "you saw the two Davids, you saw the haircut and later the knife, but that's our little secret 🤫" :laugh:
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But yeah, I know it was supposed to be a twist for the characters and not directed at the audience. But that's quite boring! Wouldn't it be better to surprise the audience too? All I wanted was to feel as surprised as Daniels :'(
Thanks Jonesy. And agreed, the goal should be surprise the audience AND Daniels, versus the audience harshly remarking as they leave the cinema "wow that Daniels was such a stupid character." :-\
That's why I always go back to the excellent writing in Die Hard. When the main villan Hans pretends to be a hostage and our hero John McClane hands him a spare gun, we yell at the screen for the first time barking "John! What are you doing?!" But then we find out the gun is not loaded, because McClane, like the audience, is not stupid.
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It would have been nice to see Daniels, like John, prepared for this, but David was still two steps ahead. Oh well.
Alien Covenant is not Die Hard. Got it
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 22, 2020, 09:18:27 PM
Alien Covenant is not Die Hard. Got it
Yippee ki yay MU-TH-UR f*cker?
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 22, 2020, 09:18:27 PM
Alien Covenant is not Die Hard. Got it
Unfortunately Covenant don't have the writing/directing/editing qualities of Die Hard indeed. ;D
Eh, whatever. I still dig Covenant and still hven't watched Die Hard
I still dig The Predator so it's okay :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 22, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
I still dig The Predator so it's okay :laugh:
You should've started with that ! ;D
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If I'm allowed to be pretentious for a second, Die Hard's superior entertainment, most likely, but Covenant's art. It's not a fair comparison to either of them.
But makes for a fun discussion
On the matter of Aliens and Die Hard:
http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/50079 (http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/50079)
https://xombiedirge.com/post/48214169881/xenomorph-hybrids-by-chris-moreno (https://xombiedirge.com/post/48214169881/xenomorph-hybrids-by-chris-moreno)
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 22, 2020, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 22, 2020, 10:46:36 PM
I still dig The Predator so it's okay :laugh:
You should've started with that ! ;D
https://i.gifer.com/8f1Y.gif
Can I be Arnold on this one ? Then I won't lose my arm afterwards... :laugh:
AvP does win with the romantics at heart!
https://twitter.com/FnVoodooMagic/status/1399745408952418312?
Alright, I laughed. :laugh:
:laugh:
Glad someone did!
AVPR for me.
When its an Alien or Predator film you have to have a R rating and gore. AVP feels like an introduction for tweens to the franchises; toning down the horror to make it more palpable for a younger audience [and get those extra dollars too]. AVPR on the other hand feels like the true collision between the Predator and Xenomorph.
AVP disappointed me, it felt too conservative. We don't need exposition or the Aurora Borealis. We want to see a smackdown between the two most dangerous creatures in the universe, "Whoever Wins, We Lose," should have been the tagline for AVPR, while AVP should have had the tagline, "Date Night with a Predator." :D
I love AVPR, the woodland atmosphere and city, how Xenos overwhelm the inhabitants (realistic) and how Wolf kicks some Xenomorph tail. The acting is terrible at times, but trust me, teens act like that, I was one.
In the end I think fans of the Predator and Xenos have each a film to love. For me AVP woukd have been better with the traditional blood, horror, and gore; I mean during the chestburster scene I yawned, and not because I've seen chestbursters before.
Watching AvP.
It didn't even get to 1:45 before reminding me why I rate it so low, basic plot aside.
Every time I watch that movie I do it because I will always remember the hype leading up to its release and it gives me the warm fuzzies.
And then the reality hits.
"It's Aliens versing Predators, but on earth and for kids!"
I was 13 and it was the first time I was going to see an Alien or Predator movie on the big screen, I couldn't have cared less about the rating.
Also in the Australian rating system it was equal to Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 (at the time) and Predator. Only Resurrection and P2 were rated higher.
I didn't so much mean the rating as the general attitude it presents itself with. At least the CGI is mostly genuinely amazing for the year and budget, I guess.
The hype was great. The fall was brutal. And then AvPR came along and pretty much pissed on the franchise and everyone still underwhelmed from the first one.
Before AvP I was really hopeful at the time, considering Paul Anderson made Event Horizon, that even if AvP is average at best, it'll still be a cool sci-fi horror piece in a similar vain. Anderson showed he had the competency to do it; and it was exciting. But yikes!.... not even close.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 07, 2022, 09:41:48 AMI didn't so much mean the rating as the general attitude it presents itself with. At least the CGI is mostly genuinely amazing for the year and budget, I guess.
Well yeah but you don't really get that out until you watch the movie. That's what I mean, the lead up was great.
Then you watch the movie.
I was 12 for Predators and 14 for Prometheus both just before my birthdays.
Quote from: PsyKore on Aug 07, 2022, 09:43:11 AMBefore AvP I was really hopeful at the time, considering Paul Anderson made Event Horizon, that even if AvP is average at best, it'll still be a cool sci-fi horror piece in a similar vain. Anderson showed he had the competency to do it; and it was exciting. But yikes!.... not even close.
I'm still wounded we didn't get an Event Horizon AvP from Anderson. But I will forever cling to my hopes of a proper AvP.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 07, 2022, 08:46:08 AMWatching AvP.
It didn't even get to 1:45 before reminding me why I rate it so low, basic plot aside.
It's a film that neither looks nor feels like Alien or Predator. Which, given the premise is pretty funny.
It then takes a well-constructed if simple comic book story and makes it into a less well-constructed and even simpler movie.
Then there's the setting. Aliens are at home in claustrophobic industrial settings. Predators are at home in the claustrophobia that comes from being engulfed by nature ... So the temple serves neither.
It's a film packed with bizarre choices. That said, I think the whole AVP idea is quite hard to pull off. The stories that make great Predator stories don't make for great Alien stories, and vice versa.
And in order for it not to be James Cameron's Aliens featuring Predator, you have to heavily involve the Predator mythos. Which only serves to demystify the Predator, lessen its impact, and inevitably turn it into an anti-hero.
So we either get Broken Tusk bodying the entire hive for 120 mins or a weird mash-up of monster flicks that don't quite work together.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2022, 09:11:35 AMQuote from: PsyKore on Aug 07, 2022, 09:43:11 AMBefore AvP I was really hopeful at the time, considering Paul Anderson made Event Horizon, that even if AvP is average at best, it'll still be a cool sci-fi horror piece in a similar vain. Anderson showed he had the competency to do it; and it was exciting. But yikes!.... not even close.
I'm still wounded we didn't get an Event Horizon AvP from Anderson. But I will forever cling to my hopes of a proper AvP.
His earlier drafts definitely leaned that way. Not as explicitly horrific but definitely dark and violent. Just with his inability to write good characters layered on top.
AvP stomps
Anderson may make toybox movies but he makes them very well. I loathe Resident Evil, definitely not my cup of tea, but I unabashedly love AvP for what it is -- Aliens and Predators from the comic book world crossing over with the film versions. Too bad it's too quick-paced and without the credits it's literally less than 90m
I can't watch AvPR without laughing so
It just really really bores me, I see no reason to revisit either one.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 08, 2022, 11:13:38 AMAvP stomps
Anderson may make toybox movies but he makes them very well. I loathe Resident Evil, definitely not my cup of tea, but I unabashedly love AvP for what it is -- Aliens and Predators from the comic book world crossing over with the film versions. Too bad it's too quick-paced and without the credits it's literally less than 90m
I can't watch AvPR without laughing so
f**k yeah, all of this ^^^
I really wish Milla Jovovich could be in real films...
For all its faults I can never bring myself to hate AvP. There's too much nostalgia.
AvPR can die in a fire.
2004 AvP introduced to me to both franchises so I will forever have a soft spot for it. I still think it a fun watch with Scar and all of Queen scenes being the highlights
I'm the opposite. Zero nostalgia for AvP in any way shape or form. AvPR at least had the decency to get me laid then fall off the face of the earth.
Was having sex the only way to escape ?
No, I was intoxicated when I saw it the first time and actually enjoyed it, wasn't til I watched it again much later that I realised how shit it was. But the girls were shook and one thing lead to another, as is often the case with horror movies.
The one thing AVP does right was give as clear scenes showing that the Aliens can ambush and butcher a Predator one-on-one, as well as use its natural abilities to defeat it hand to hand.
But then it never really gives us a creative reason why a Predator can defeat an Alien other than shoulder cannon go boom and shuriken go woosh.
It's a smart creature that actively hunts Aliens for sport. Why would it do this if it's just target practice? Give me creative ways it goes about this. It has to employ a specific strategy against humans, what's its strategy against Aliens?
I would have loved if Anderson asked himself those questions. Watching the movie it seems he didn't.
Let's not talk about the brothers Strause.
What were the people who voted Requiem smoking?
Quote from: Huntsman on Aug 12, 2022, 05:37:53 AMWhat were the people who voted Requiem smoking?
Really good weed, but that's beside the point. It's shit, but it's shit in an almost charmingly "bad 80's movie" way. It's obnoxiously, hilariously shit. AvP is just exhaustingly, mind numbingly mediocre in every respect.
I rewatched avp last night, its a summer blockbuster, its got some wooden acting an hammy dialogue in places but does have a solid cast and effects, if anything the film could of benefitted from an addition 20 minutes to flesh out the characters, would've been more idyllic to have a future setting like the avp dark horse series but not terrible for what we got, the bulky predator designs I was never a fan of and Paul W.S Anderson obsession with using computer maps to transmission scenes was clearly a hangover from his first resident evil film, as well as Colin Salmon getting cubed, its not the worst but could've and should've been so much more, to think this won out over the alluded Scott and Cameron collaboration screams studio penny pinchers to me.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Aug 12, 2022, 09:41:31 AMReally good weed, but that's beside the point. It's shit, but it's shit in an almost charmingly "bad 80's movie" way.
I think you're doing bad 80s movies a huge disservice here
You clearly haven't watched enough of the really bad ones then.
And you ?
He has, can confirm.
"It's just like a bad 80s movie" still sounds as a very questionable praise :P
Yeah, Kradan should watch the Critters franchise. The first one's alright for what it is, but the other two, jesus.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 14, 2022, 08:39:57 PM"It's just like a bad 80s movie" still sounds as a very questionable praise :P
They're comfy.
From what I know, Critters are poor man's Gremlins and I wasn't crazy about Gremlins to begin with
It includes a rapidly breeding alien infestation in a small town, and deeply incompetent space bounty hunters trying to wipe them out. So you can see why comparisons are made.
Quote from: Huntsman on Aug 12, 2022, 05:37:53 AMWhat were the people who voted Requiem smoking?
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You want some ganja man?
Ganja lets you see "the other side."
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 01:02:27 AMhttps://c.tenor.com/BlQBF2e1iXcAAAAd/predator2-predator.gif
I don't get it.
The spear
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 14, 2022, 08:49:16 PMFrom what I know, Critters are poor man's Gremlins and I wasn't crazy about Gremlins to begin with
Critters was written before Gremlins was released and even had to undergo some rewrites because Gremlins was too similar. At the core, both are derivates of archetypes established in the 50s and the 60s (Fiend without a Face 1959 is an example; a seminal movie, inspired so many things it's not even funny)
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Aug 16, 2022, 01:02:27 AMQuote from: Huntsman on Aug 12, 2022, 05:37:53 AMWhat were the people who voted Requiem smoking?
https://c.tenor.com/BlQBF2e1iXcAAAAd/predator2-predator.gif
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Paul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what anyone wants to see, but the first AVP gets points for ambition/scale and simple nostalgia - it can't help but remind me of digging into the Alien Quadrilogy boxset as a kid.
AVPR is just vile and worse than one of those Platinum Dunes/Michael Bay produced horror movie remakes. The fact that this is even tangentially related to a film like Alien is unreal. (I like the scenes of Wolf snooping around though.)
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 16, 2022, 06:03:39 PMPaul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what anyone wants to see, but the first AVP gets points for ambition/scale and simple nostalgia - it can't help but remind me of digging into the Alien Quadrilogy boxset as a kid.
AVPR is just vile and worse than one of those Platinum Dunes/Michael Bay produced horror movie remakes. The fact that this is even tangentially related to a film like Alien is unreal. (I like the scenes of Wolf snooping around though.)
That's exactly how I feel about them both.
AVP.. no brainer.
That first AVP film, while far from perfect, is still a really fun, brain-turned-off, guilty pleasure flick. I think it also did a great job of keeping the Predator culturally relevant, at least. It certainly left an impression on me when I first saw it as a teenager.
I can't really say the same for the sequel, despite how cool Wolf is.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 16, 2022, 06:03:39 PMPaul WS Anderson has the amazing ability to write the exact opposite of what everyone want to see
This is pretty much a perfect description of him
'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).
As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 12, 2023, 09:16:58 PM'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).
As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)
I disagree, it can work for a movie it just have to be does right, the first AvP was ok, but was restricted by the stupid decision to make it a PG-13, and the less said about AvPR the better.
You just need the right people.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Sep 16, 2023, 06:34:54 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Sep 12, 2023, 09:16:58 PM'Aliens vs Predator' works as a video game and a toy line. It doesn't work as a movie (and I'd argue doesn't even make a particularly good comic book either).
As a kid, I loved the Alien Trilogy. I loved both Predator movies.. played the hell out of the Kenner Alien and Predator toys and imagined all kinds of scenarios... but every official crossover has just left a sour taste. The sole exceptions being 'Alien vs Predator' on Atari Jaguar, the 90s arcade game (just for its whole Kenner-esque appeal) and the collectible card game (which has awesome photoshopped images showing exactly what we all actually wanted in an AvP movie)
I disagree, it can work for a movie it just have to be does right, the first AvP was ok, but was restricted by the stupid decision to make it a PG-13, and the less said about AvPR the better.
You just need the right people.
It *could* work as a movie, yes... but not in its current format (which I believe will only ever work for comic books and games) - it doesn't matter who you get to direct, how good the budget and writers etc, it will fail as a movie if it tries to emulate the comics and games.
For a movie, I believe they need to completely overhaul the format; it needs to focus on the human characters instead of using them as a plot device to get the two monsters together. I'd say it should switch from the action genre to horror. One Alien, one Predator (no fodder), equally matched, with both having the upper hand or retreating appropriately - to achieve this, I'd strip back the predator tech to be in line with 'Prey'. The humans may not even realise they are dealing with two separate creatures right away. It needs a claustrophobic future setting (Alien universe), and use that setting to play into each creature's strengths. They need to drop the whole 'space velociraptor' depiction of the xeno and make it a smart, calculating intelligent bipedal creature again... and the story has to make more sense than "monsters fight, who will win?"
Action-wise it needs to focus more on hunting and cat-and-mouse chases than up close fights. Knock ''em down wrestling matches don't suit either.
Imagine the last act of Predator but with a Predator in Arnie's position and the Alien in the Predator's position. Stalking, hunting, hiding, each trying to get the advantage over the other.
It would then be much easier to work humans directly into the conflict. Kind of hard to get a person in when your antagonists are locked in a death toll on the floor.
AVP was very enjoyable, it did a good job of showcasing both Yautja and Xenomorphs. I loved the pyramid changing and the final fight with Queenie.
AVPR I love the sheer horror, the town falling to a Xenoinfestation. The cast of humans not being as likable didn't matter because they were anybodies, the point was to see what happens when Xenos take over a place in our century.
Personally I like AVPR more because I adore seeing Xenos in oir environments, the sewers was a brilliant idea and the hospital.. when you see that patient being wheelee in with a facehugger and a doctor clearing them for entry was great!
There was no patient wheeled in with a hugger. There are only four facehuggers in the movie and they're all used up before they leave the sewers.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 12:14:50 AMThere was no patient wheeled in with a hugger. There are only four facehuggers in the movie and they're all used up before they leave the sewers.
At 58:09-15 of the movie it shows a facehugger on a patient's face being wheeled into the hospital.
You can clearly see its a facehugger.
A facehugger attached to the patient's feet?
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 12:30:45 AMAt 58:09-15 of the movie it shows a facehugger on a patient's face being wheeled into the hospital.
You can clearly see its a facehugger.
It's a bag between the patient's legs, you can see the handle attached to it on the left (one of the nurses nudges it).
AvP.
It is in my top 5 Christmas films.
And in case you are wondering...
1.) Die hard 2: die harder. (It's set at Christmas and has snow in it)
2.) The Thing. (It has snow in it)
3.) Where Eagles Dare. (It has snow in it)
4.) Prometheus. (It has a Christmas tree in it.)
5.) Alien vs Predator. (It has snow in it.)
How is Die Hard 2 there but Die Hard isn't
AvP being there should indicate why
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2024, 10:20:54 AMAvP being there should indicate why
I can accept that. I can't accept Die Hard 2
instead of Die Hard.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 09:22:05 AMHow is Die Hard 2 there but Die Hard isn't
I would have thought it was obvious. John McClean stabs a guy in the eye with an icicle.
If that's not in the spirit of Christmas, then I don't know what is.
Also, it snows in Die hard 2.
Quote from: TheDerelict on Mar 31, 2024, 12:30:01 PMI would have thought it was obvious. John McClean stabs a guy in the eye with an icicle.
If that's not in the spirit of Christmas, then I don't know what is.
Also, it snows in Die hard 2.
It snows in
Die Hard (a bit), and there's a Christmas party, and 200 people don't die halfway through the movie and get forgotten about soon after.
And there's Hans Gruber.
And the Ode to Joy.
And Ellis being handed a can of Coca Cola when that is very very clearly no what he meant when he said he wanted some coke, much like being given a gift that is similar to but entirely not what you wanted by your grandmother but you can't say anything because you don't have much time left with her and it's the thought that counts.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 31, 2024, 02:01:54 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 12:30:45 AMAt 58:09-15 of the movie it shows a facehugger on a patient's face being wheeled into the hospital.
You can clearly see its a facehugger.
It's a bag between the patient's legs, you can see the handle attached to it on the left (one of the nurses nudges it).
I agree to disagree, it looks like a facehugger to me.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 31, 2024, 10:45:52 AMNo love for Krampus :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUXPpeE2pv4
The real reason for the naughty list... :o
Just checked, its a red bag.
Would've made for a creepy visual tho
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2024, 05:19:30 PMWould've made for a creepy visual tho
Well in my head canon it still is. :)
Bruh tfw, the only good things about AvP Requiem are literally imaginary.
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 31, 2024, 05:44:59 PMBruh tfw, the only good things about AvP Requiem are literally imaginary.
https://static.vecteezy.com/system/resources/previews/009/306/555/original/human-skull-isolated-on-transparent-background-file-png.png
Lol it has moments IMHO. But the romantic subplot is as shallow as the puddle in Covenant.
I've probably seen it more than most people here.
And I still had to pause for a second to think when you said "romantic subplot".
Do you lock at me or the clock ?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 06:54:30 PMI've probably seen it more than most people here.
And I still had to pause for a second to think when you said "romantic subplot".
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Very romantic indeed
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2024, 07:21:52 PMVery romantic indeed
Haha gotta say she is attractive and who doesn't like a gal who is assertive.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 07:09:04 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 06:54:30 PMI've probably seen it more than most people here.
And I still had to pause for a second to think when you said "romantic subplot".
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1221558925220909103/1224072855306637434/IMG_4113.jpg?ex=661c29ae&is=6609b4ae&hm=bb15eec40c08922932f6f838f91904b36d2192617671d2bb63befa3b95a982bf&
Yeah, it's just so badly done and inconsequential that it took me a hot second to recall.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 07:50:48 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 07:09:04 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 06:54:30 PMI've probably seen it more than most people here.
And I still had to pause for a second to think when you said "romantic subplot".
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1221558925220909103/1224072855306637434/IMG_4113.jpg?ex=661c29ae&is=6609b4ae&hm=bb15eec40c08922932f6f838f91904b36d2192617671d2bb63befa3b95a982bf&
Yeah, it's just so badly done and inconsequential that it took me a hot second to recall.
I sense AVPR is not your fav of the two. :D
If you mean the two AvP films, you're dead wrong.
AvPR is f**king trash, but in a way I find amusing. It's basically just Critters again.
AvP is just... there.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 08:02:23 PMIf you mean the two AvP films, you're dead wrong.
AvPR is f**king trash, but in a way I find amusing. It's basically just Critters again.
AvP is just... there.
AVP does everything right on paper, but for some reason it feels detached from the two franchises; something about how it was filmed and the music makes it seem IDK how to describe it.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 08:07:11 PMAVP does everything right on paper
Agree to disagree.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 31, 2024, 08:14:52 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 08:07:11 PMAVP does everything right on paper
Agree to disagree.
I meat ticking the boxes:
-Cool Pred outfits plus gear & weapons
-Alien Queen Showdown
-Close Up of Pred and Xeno facing off
-Attempt at mythos borrowing from Chariots of the gods.
-Action, Action, Action
Etc
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 04:23:45 PMI agree to disagree, it looks like a facehugger to me.
"Agree to disagree" doesn't work when you're talking about a fact :laugh:
It's a bag between the person's legs, you can see the patient's hands as well showing the camera is looking down from their head to their feet.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 31, 2024, 07:26:19 PMQuote from: Kradan on Mar 31, 2024, 07:21:52 PMVery romantic indeed
Haha gotta say she is attractive and who doesn't like a gal who is assertive.
Wolf didn't.