New pic of Walter released via Entertainment Weekly!!
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Oh man the citadel bombing looks absolutely amazing
That shot of David with the bombs is spectacular.
Spoiler
I think it's safe to say the flashback scene is back in the film with how much magazines have been pushing it.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 21, 2017, 04:28:15 PM
New pic of Walter released via Entertainment Weekly!!
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And another wide shot of this pic:
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Awesome! But Fassbender did age a bit, or?
There are many cypress in the alien city, I was right (Ridley is very familiar with tree symbolism). A bit of symbolism here and there. Like the overall look of the city (the shrine looks great), especially from this top perspective. I always expected that David will turn to be some kind of pseudo archvillain or better yet anti-hero of these movies. Only that is enought to keep me hyped, not to speak about everything else this movie has in store for us. Its obvious this kind of SF movies are not for all (even not for all Alien fans). I can now say with great certainty that Covenant is going to be one of my favourite alien related movies. Why are cypress important, well all things point that this city is the only inhabited place on the planet, why... well because its a sacred place, a sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests.
I can't wait to see the bombing scene! I hope it lives up to the hype.
It looks fantastic, but I still don't like the idea of David wiping out the engineers. And I hate how these engineers look. They look like sh*t compared to the engineers from Prometheus.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 21, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
It looks fantastic, but I still don't like the idea of David wiping out the engineers. And I hate how these engineers look. They look like sh*t compared to the engineers from Prometheus.
I think those are not the ordinary Engineers and I also believe this will NOT be the last
of those tall, muscular Engineers with black eyes. ;) Just my opinion.
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 21, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
It looks fantastic, but I still don't like the idea of David wiping out the engineers. And I hate how these engineers look. They look like sh*t compared to the engineers from Prometheus.
Yeah, that shot doesn't make them look very good. They look like a lot of cranky, constipated old men from a retirement community that are mad because they ran out of prune juice.
Why don't you like David wiping out all the Engineers?
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 21, 2017, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 21, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
It looks fantastic, but I still don't like the idea of David wiping out the engineers. And I hate how these engineers look. They look like sh*t compared to the engineers from Prometheus.
Yeah, that shot doesn't make them look very good. They look like a lot of cranky, constipated old men from a retirement community that are mad because they ran out of prune juice.
Why don't you like David wiping out all the Engineers?
I completely agree with your description of these engineers. :D
But I don't like David wiping them out, because it seems lazy. Like the filmmakers didn't know what to do with them, so they decided to just kill them. I mean, the engineers were such an important part of Prometheus, and I was looking forward to seeing them again in their home world. And then David comes by and kills them all. :-\
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 21, 2017, 05:24:22 PM
But I don't like David wiping them out, because it seems lazy. Like the filmmakers didn't know what to do with them, so they decided to just kill them. I mean, the engineers were such an important part of Prometheus, and I was looking forward to seeing them again in their home world. And then David comes by and kills them all. :-\
You really think such advanced race would have only one city on the whole damn planet? As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 21, 2017, 05:24:22 PM
But I don't like David wiping them out, because it seems lazy. Like the filmmakers didn't know what to do with them, so they decided to just kill them. I mean, the engineers were such an important part of Prometheus, and I was looking forward to seeing them again in their home world. And then David comes by and kills them all. :-\
You really thing such adcanced race would have only one city on the whole damn planet? As I said this place is some holy place on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
Again, they probably are engineers. Multiple sources have said they're engineers, including people who worked on the movie. There is no proof that says otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, I really hope you're right. But they're probably just engineers.
;D ;)
We shall see...
Boy, that shot of David with the canisters.. wow.
I love that shot of the bombing scene! The city looks fantastic! It's just a shame it's not a Giger city. I know I've said that the production crew said these guys were Engineers and if that's the case, then I'm pretty disappointed in the make-up. I really liked how they looked in Prometheus. I guess Ridley didn't want this particular city to look threatening.
The architecture kind of reminds me a little of Morocco's "Red City".
There was actually one set report that mentioned they saw photo's of Jerusalem, and cities in Mexico and Morocco pasted up on the "war room".
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.viamigo.com%2Fimg%2Fl%2Ftour%2F3125%2Fauthentic-morocco-and-sahara.jpg&hash=82ed141dae4d681386272ef6e7b70f3787245358)
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
Are the Engineers gathered for some sort of event in that domed structure or in response to the juggernaut showing up? It would be interesting if the former and David is making a statement ("I'm your God now"!).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
For the 99th time that's conjecture on your part.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
Leave Enoch alone. Let him cling to the dream.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 21, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
For the 99th time that's conjecture on your part.
Conjecture like the production crew calling them "the Engineers" and multiple screenings saying the same thing, yes.
Bombs away!
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 21, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
Are the Engineers gathered for some sort of event in that domed structure or in response to the juggernaut showing up? It would be interesting if the former and David is making a statement ("I'm your God now"!).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
For the 99th time that's conjecture on your part.
How can it be conjecture when they look like ..... Engineers? Anyway, why would Ridley introduce a new race only for them to be bombed and wiped out by David?
EDIT: do you mean conjecture in regard to Ridley doing away with the Engineers from the storyline rather than the beings not being Engineers?
Because that is a movie plot... They call them Engineers, yes... so what?
Humans are also engineers in alien universe :)
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 06:05:55 PM
Because that is a movie plot... They call them Engineers, yes... so what?
Humans are also engineers in alien universe :)
That's not strictly true. Shared DNA, yes, but not 100% the same.
Everything looks amazing.
19 days yasssss
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 06:05:55 PM
Because that is a movie plot... They call them Engineers, yes... so what?
Humans are also engineers in alien universe :)
Whoa, whoa there now. Hold your horses.
I would agree w/ SpeedyMaxx above us when he says that, whether we like it or not, this is what is happening to the Engineer story-line. Unless, they show up in the follow-up (to wrap into Alien). This gives me hope that we have not yet seen the last of the Engineers.
well chimps share similar dna to humans. .i am to lazy to go google the percentage exact. .but it.s like way up their. .and they all hairy and shit and they really don't look all that much like as either. .anyway i am sure their will be some explanation why they look like the way they do. .asuming they are even engineers. .just because the set designers called them engineers it does'nt mean they have privy to the entire plot of the movie. . . . And it would be stupid to asume that. .
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 21, 2017, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Apr 21, 2017, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: Evanus on Apr 21, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
It looks fantastic, but I still don't like the idea of David wiping out the engineers. And I hate how these engineers look. They look like sh*t compared to the engineers from Prometheus.
Yeah, that shot doesn't make them look very good. They look like a lot of cranky, constipated old men from a retirement community that are mad because they ran out of prune juice.
Why don't you like David wiping out all the Engineers?
I completely agree with your description of these engineers. :D
But I don't like David wiping them out, because it seems lazy. Like the filmmakers didn't know what to do with them, so they decided to just kill them. I mean, the engineers were such an important part of Prometheus, and I was looking forward to seeing them again in their home world. And then David comes by and kills them all. :-\
Yeah, I can agree with this. There was a lot of interesting material that could've been explored. I would've liked to have seen David and Shaw working with the Engineers and then something happens to make David destroy them. I hoping we get some kind of reason for it. Which I'm sure we will.
like the neo is related to the xeno. .these beings mignt be related to the engineers. .who knows. .lets wait and see. .
Quote from: imbrie on Apr 21, 2017, 06:02:13 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 21, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
Are the Engineers gathered for some sort of event in that domed structure or in response to the juggernaut showing up? It would be interesting if the former and David is making a statement ("I'm your God now"!).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
For the 99th time that's conjecture on your part.
How can it be conjecture when they look like ..... Engineers? Anyway, why would Ridley introduce a new race only for them to be bombed and wiped out by David?
EDIT: do you mean conjecture in regard to Ridley doing away with the Engineers from the storyline rather than the beings not being Engineers?
Right... this isn't some new or different group. David and Shaw went to the Engineer's homeworld at the end of Prometheus, lo and behold we have a bunch of bald pale men wearing the same kind of stuff in that deleted Prometheus scene. The production designer says they're engineers. BTS they're called deadgineers. Its like they need a sign posted that says, "Welcome to the engineer homeworld! We were in Prometheus, directed by Ridley Scott!"
Anyway, they had to go at some point because the engineers are gone by the time of ALIEN. It could have been a lot worse than this. Maybe it would have been better if they were long extinct by the time David arrives but I'll settle for this sweet bombing scene.
. .i bet the engineers are all over the galaxy. .or galaxy's. .and they will live on way after alien resurrection. .i refuse to believe that they extinct and that one little bombing performed by david was the end of them all. .pretty sure we will get to see some more of them in future installments. .i mean the big ass muscular beauties with biomechanical suits and all. .
Quote from: juxtapose on Apr 21, 2017, 06:46:41 PM
. .i bet the engineers are all over the galaxy. .or galaxy's. .and they will live on way after alien resurrection. .i refuse to believe that they extinct and that one little bombing performed by david was the end of them all. .pretty sure we will get to see some more if then in future installments. .i mean the big ass muscular beauties with biomechanical suits and all. .
I think david killed the 'heart' of the engineers right there.... the whole lot.
but i do believe there's bound to be 1 or 2 max 3? in cryo on another planet somewhere else perhaps?
Scott bringing these guys into the franchise is awesome.
Quote from: juxtapose on Apr 21, 2017, 06:46:41 PM
. .i bet the engineers are all over the galaxy. .
That was thousands of years ago. They are a civilization in decline/ruin.
. . Ir.s sad tho. .
Maybe the sequels to Covenant will have David traveling to the true engineer homeworld or some sort of dark and nightmarish place that could be straight out of Giger's Necronomicon.
Nope. This is it.
i always look at them and think. . What the f**k is he thinking. . . .long live the xeno's then!!. .lol. .aww but if they never really return them bald big ass dude's. .it definately will be sad. .even if they mean thugs. .i always look at that face and think. . Whats going on in that head. .what is god thinking. .lol. .they so super mysterious and wise. .they seem to have a wisdom of something so utterly profound. .well thats how i have always viewed them. .
No were does this show that David was the one who destroyed this race an engineer like creatures. It looks more like he is a witness to this event not the destroyer. I think there is much reading into this.
Could have been that David and Shaw was taken on board the larger ship and shown the power of the engineers power. It could be that Shaw was taken by the engineer for the next movie and David was aboard on this dead world.
Just a thought. ???
Engineer overview... just for comparison.
http://docdro.id/5tWF6l7 (http://docdro.id/5tWF6l7)
Quote from: David on Apr 21, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
No were does this show that David was the one who destroyed this race an engineer like creatures. It looks more like he is a witness to this event not the destroyer. I think there is much reading into this.
Could have been that David and Shaw was taken on board the larger ship and shown the power of the engineers power. It could be that Shaw was taken by the engineer for the next movie and David was aboard on this dead world.
Just a thought. ???
Spoiler
It's been reported that David unleashes the urns onto the city. I'm just curious if Shaw is involved too?
Ridley isn't restricting his or anybody elses future vision for this series, btw. Even if this planet is what we think, so what? This race have seeded the universe, deliberately. And we are worried by what appears to be the plot of this movie tying the hands of future movies? It's one planet, no matter if it's historically significant.
If Ridley decides he wants another planet to be full of engineers just down the road in the future, he will do just that. Similarly, any future directors could do it no problem at all.
It could either be that prison planet idea or this world is just another weapons depot. Which is why and how David gets trapped on it.
David would be like ''Die ants, i am the new god now"
For the people who didnt get it yet, David is in the scorpion ship, this pic and the angle reveals it, the leg on the left, the opening...
What would be awesome is that not only is this the planet covenant intended to colonize and the engineer homeworld, but when the whole thing backfires, i WANT it as a confirmed xeno prime homeworld. it would make logical sense, it being the homeworld and subsequent "birthplace" of the true xenomorph form, in place of the creators of the black goo.
Think Frankenstein's monster, except instead of a 6ft tall zombie, it's a genetically mutated killing machine.
I hope that's not a frozen piece of Branson Walter's got there. I'm definitely in the sabotage camp now. Most likely Oram will be responsible. It would be a bit too similar to Ash, but I doubt Oram is synthetic, considering he gets facehugged. You can sense the tension between Oram and Branson. In the prologue, when Tennessee asked who was going to say the toast, Oram turned and started to say something, most likely "I've actually prepared a few remarks" or something like that. He looked rather upset when Branson didn't even acknowledge him.
You know, I think that pic of "Walter" is really David with one of the rumored xeno-embryos. Just a guess. :)
However man, this bombing scene is getting better by the day. It's also highly unlikely that these are the last engineers in the galaxy.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 21, 2017, 10:42:48 PM
However man, this bombing scene is getting better by the day. It's also highly unlikely that these are the last engineers in the galaxy.
Tell it to Ridley Scott.
obviously shaw is either
1: Dead
2: Cryo
3: dropped off somewhere?
I don't think she'll stand for david killing them.... or would she? (it seems David is alone on the ship during the bombing)
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 22, 2017, 01:02:26 AM
obviously shaw is either
1: Dead
2: Cryo
3: dropped off somewhere?
I don't think she'll stand for david killing them.... or would she? (it seems David is alone on the ship during the bombing)
Shaw did seem pretty angry at the engineers at the end of prometheus.
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 22, 2017, 01:02:26 AM
obviously shaw is either
1: Dead
2: Cryo
3: dropped off somewhere?
I don't think she'll stand for david killing them.... or would she? (it seems David is alone on the ship during the bombing)
Maybe he kills them for Shaw. I get the feeling that as far as beings go, he's kind of fond of Shaw, or at the very least impressed with her tenacity.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Apr 22, 2017, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 22, 2017, 01:02:26 AM
obviously shaw is either
1: Dead
2: Cryo
3: dropped off somewhere?
I don't think she'll stand for david killing them.... or would she? (it seems David is alone on the ship during the bombing)
Maybe he kills them for Shaw. I get the feeling that as far as beings go, he's kind of fond of Shaw, or at the very least impressed with her tenacity.
I agree maybe its all Shaw's plan???
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Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 21, 2017, 10:42:48 PM
However man, this bombing scene is getting better by the day. It's also highly unlikely that these are the last engineers in the galaxy.
Tell it to Ridley Scott.
Can you do an introduction?
Quote from: theDecline84 on Apr 22, 2017, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: x-M-x on Apr 22, 2017, 01:02:26 AM
obviously shaw is either
1: Dead
2: Cryo
3: dropped off somewhere?
I don't think she'll stand for david killing them.... or would she? (it seems David is alone on the ship during the bombing)
Shaw did seem pretty angry at the engineers at the end of Prometheus.
She went all that way for *answers* not to kill... then again maybe she changed her mind? who knows.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 22, 2017, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 21, 2017, 10:42:48 PM
However man, this bombing scene is getting better by the day. It's also highly unlikely that these are the last engineers in the galaxy.
Tell it to Ridley Scott.
Can you do an introduction?
Dudes. AVPGalaxy has serious street cred. The man probably has his men reading this thread right at this very moment. Right, Hicks.
I've yet to find an interview where Scott or Logan or anyone else involved has stated that they're completely washing their hands of the Engineers after this movie.
They don't have to. Especially before the movie is out.
The bombing shots are hauntingly beautiful.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Apr 21, 2017, 10:42:48 PM
However man, this bombing scene is getting better by the day. It's also highly unlikely that these are the last engineers in the galaxy.
Tell it to Ridley Scott.
tell it to you. you keep advocating they're wiped based on....really....nothing but own ideas.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Apr 22, 2017, 01:23:40 PM
tell it to you. you keep advocating they're wiped based on....really....nothing but own ideas.
I am advocating nothing. The Engineers and the new mythology of
Prometheus being wiped from the slate of future involvement is the last thing I wanted for this franchise's future. It is also what is happening and we knew that months ago.
You don't get it. I don't want it, but what I want is irrelevant. It's what's going down.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 21, 2017, 04:28:15 PM
New pic of Walter released via Entertainment Weekly!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2FxIMG_0476.JPG.pagespeed.ic.bmDC8x2hYR.jpg&hash=6b46acb249011580f0854fc059149736e2538981)
http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/21/alien-covenant-michael-fassbender-details/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter (http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/21/alien-covenant-michael-fassbender-details/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter)
And another wide shot of this pic:
(https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/000253444hr.jpg?w=2700)
That pic of Walter makes me think that it happens at the beginning of the film cause it appears to be in the same room as the cryo chambers
Spoiler
possibly Walter investigating Branson's death maybe he was murdered by Oram, and set up to look like an accident!!
Which would mean that the 4chan leaks are incorrect or they were changed in reshoots or maybe just maybe
Spoiler
after the explosion Walter investigates and finds a clue that Oram murdered him prior to explosion, or sabatoged his cryo so he couldn't free himself after the blast thus ensuring his death.
I don't see Oram killing Branson. Yes, he doesn't like him, but I doubt he'd kill him... Especially because he's Christian. But we'll see.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 21, 2017, 04:28:15 PM
New pic of Walter released via Entertainment Weekly!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2FxIMG_0476.JPG.pagespeed.ic.bmDC8x2hYR.jpg&hash=6b46acb249011580f0854fc059149736e2538981)
http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/21/alien-covenant-michael-fassbender-details/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter (http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/21/alien-covenant-michael-fassbender-details/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter)
And another wide shot of this pic:
(https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/000253444hr.jpg?w=2700)
That pic of Walter makes me think that it happens at the beginning of the film cause it appears to be in the same room as the cryo chambers Spoiler
possibly Walter investigating Branson's death maybe he was murdered by Oram, and set up to look like an accident!!
Which would mean that the 4chan leaks are incorrect or they were changed in reshoots or maybe just maybe Spoiler
after the explosion Walter investigates and finds a clue that Oram murdered him prior to explosion, or sabatoged his cryo so he couldn't free himself after the blast thus ensuring his death.
what leak was that from? I don't remember seeing that in the original 4chan post and I'm pretty sure the later "leak" was proved false.
There is no evidence that anyone in the Covenant crew murdered anyone else, lol.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Apr 22, 2017, 04:38:06 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 21, 2017, 04:28:15 PM
New pic of Walter released via Entertainment Weekly!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alien-covenant.com%2Faliencovenant_uploads%2FxIMG_0476.JPG.pagespeed.ic.bmDC8x2hYR.jpg&hash=6b46acb249011580f0854fc059149736e2538981)
http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/21/alien-covenant-michael-fassbender-details/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter (http://ew.com/movies/2017/04/21/alien-covenant-michael-fassbender-details/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter)
And another wide shot of this pic:
(https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/000253444hr.jpg?w=2700)
That pic of Walter makes me think that it happens at the beginning of the film cause it appears to be in the same room as the cryo chambers Spoiler
possibly Walter investigating Branson's death maybe he was murdered by Oram, and set up to look like an accident!!
Which would mean that the 4chan leaks are incorrect or they were changed in reshoots or maybe just maybe Spoiler
after the explosion Walter investigates and finds a clue that Oram murdered him prior to explosion, or sabatoged his cryo so he couldn't free himself after the blast thus ensuring his death.
what leak was that from? I don't remember seeing that in the original 4chan post and I'm pretty sure the later "leak" was proved false.
Sagardoa said that
Spoiler
there is a solar explosion that kills Branson in cryo
.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 04:39:49 PM
There is no evidence that anyone in the Covenant crew murdered anyone else, lol.
We don't know that yet.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 04:51:44 PM
We don't know that yet.
Give me literally any evidence of your theory. By that I mean, something other than "this is a picture of Michael Fassbender in the cryo chamber, maybe he is investigating one of the crew murdering the other" based on nothing but a story you created in your head.
Yeah I'm pretty sure nobody ordered a hit on Branson in cryo lol
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 04:56:17 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 04:51:44 PM
We don't know that yet.
Give me literally any evidence of your theory. By that I mean, something other than "this is a picture of Michael Fassbender in the cryo chamber, maybe he is investigating one of the crew murdering the other" based on nothing but a story you created in your head.
Do you have evidence to prove other wise in your head??
And actually it was a
thought I had... You know what that is right?? A thought.. Look it up before you choose to open your mouth, and
assume your smart and you're not. ;)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
Do you have evidence to prove other wise in your head??
Common sense and the fact that there are zero mentions of anything like this in the many detailed spoilers we have on this film.
Let's try this: Say that I think Daniels will decide to give birth to the alien herself to get revenge on humanity for the
Spoiler
death of her husband.
Do you think this does not happen, and if not can you prove to me why?
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
You know what that is right?? A thought.. Look it up before you choose to open your mouth, and assume your smart
*you're
"Santa isn't real!"
"Prove it!"
Actually the instrument that Walter is using seem to be in line with ones used to investigate like in those NCIS films... Secondly there is no scar on his face cause this particular scene obviously takes place before hell breaks loose, and judging by the background it looks like the cryo chamber.
Have I missed anything.. Remember your spoiler leaks were done before reshoots, and this could very well be a new addition. ;)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 05:12:21 PM
Actually the instrument that Walter is using seem to be in line with ones used to investigate like in those NCIS films...
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QuoteSecondly there is no scar on his face cause this particular scene obviously takes place before hell breaks loose, and judging by the background it looks like the cryo chamber.
So what? Walter may not even be in cryo at the beginning of the movie, a la David in
Prometheus. He may be checking on the crew. He could be doing literally anything, but the point is there is no evidence of a subplot the likes of which you suggest.
Why on earth would Oram kill him? I mean, that's a bit extreme, don't you think? :laugh:
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 05:12:21 PM
Remember your spoiler leaks were done before reshoots, and this could very well be a new addition. ;)
Yes. Just like the storyline in which Daniels creates the alien via a natural water birth and launches a new race.
No idea what's going on in this thread anymore.
Quote from: Anthony on Apr 22, 2017, 05:19:38 PM
No idea what's going on in this thread anymore.
Tell me about it. People need to locate a thesaurus to find the meaning of the word
"thought":laugh:
Instead of jumping down my throat cause I chose to share one. ::)
Maybe I do. But it gets tiring to see posters jumping to insane and unrealistic conclusions about a movie that's already been well-spoiled. From the wild suppositions about the Engineers to this, it feels like people looking for any excuse to be less dissatisfied with what they've heard.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 05:29:16 PM
Maybe I do. But it gets tiring to see posters jumping to insane and unrealistic conclusions about a movie that's already been well-spoiled. From the wild suppositions about the Engineers to this, it feels like people looking for any excuse to be less dissatisfied with what they've heard.
I know what you mean, buddy. It was a stupid thought, and some of mine can get pretty wild.
And I'm fine with what I've read of the film so far. :)
SpeedyMaxx, consistent combativeness against those who're sharing their thoughts and theories on the future stories of films they love and adore is lame. This is a place for discussion - not to constantly be told "no", "nope", and "not going to happen" because we let our minds wander. Regardless of whether or not you're attempting to save us from "dissatisfaction".
Just ease up on us a bit. We all share a passion for the same thing.
Quote from: CoalescedChaos on Apr 22, 2017, 06:49:04 PM
SpeedyMaxx, consistent combativeness against those who're sharing their thoughts and theories on the future stories of films they love and adore is lame.
We all love and adore these films. I'm just being practical. But you're right.
speedymaxx is my favorite poster. a bit of an ass, sure...but he leans toward logical vs individual fantasy scenes seemingly pulled out if thin air.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 05:29:16 PM
Maybe I do. But it gets tiring to see posters jumping to insane and unrealistic conclusions about a movie that's already been well-spoiled. From the wild suppositions about the Engineers to this, it feels like people looking for any excuse to be less dissatisfied with what they've heard.
You're projecting you're own misgivings about the film and that is exhausting.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 22, 2017, 07:14:45 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 05:29:16 PM
Maybe I do. But it gets tiring to see posters jumping to insane and unrealistic conclusions about a movie that's already been well-spoiled. From the wild suppositions about the Engineers to this, it feels like people looking for any excuse to be less dissatisfied with what they've heard.
You're projecting you're own misgivings about the film and that is exhausting.
I really wish I had anything left to project. :P This is about what I know to be in it.
I expect the film to be a lot of fun and do well. It looks amazing and improves on the prior one in many ways already. Creatively I feel disappointed by it. But I've expounded on that already so I won't again. What I will say is it's equally exhausting to hear people willfully avoid the facts we know to be true to avoid honestly engaging with the actual material and what we know it contains. But I'm done talking about it.
@SpeedyMaxx - I understand how it can be frustrating to read wild theories which don't align with the leaked plot for 'Alien: Covenant', given that that leak is, let's face it, spot on. Still, you seem to realise that people posting theories is not hurting anyone. Let them eat cake.
@CoalescedChaos - I adore your signature by the way. It's strange how a few abstract shapes can be so recognisable to an 'Alien' fan.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 07:27:48 PM
@SpeedyMaxx - I understand how it can be frustrating to read wild theories which don't align with the leaked plot for 'Alien: Covenant', given that that leak is, let's face it, spot on. Still, you seem to realise that people posting theories is not hurting anyone. Let them eat cake.
Doin' it.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 21, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
Are the Engineers gathered for some sort of event in that domed structure or in response to the juggernaut showing up? It would be interesting if the former and David is making a statement ("I'm your God now"!).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
For the 99th time that's conjecture on your part.
Is anybody else getting a feeling there might be some Planet of the Apes type scenario going on (the original movie)?
Think of the "engineers" from Prometheus as humans nearly destroying their own ecosystem/society (no birds, no animals) and the "engineers" we are presented in Covenant as the survivors of this all, who just begun evolving from the ashes of this downfall. The city itself might be a combination of parts of the old culture and new elements build around.
Thats why when David arrives with the flying saucer (and i bet he is the one in control of that flying scorpion tail too) they are all drawn to the arenaesque plaza, cause they only seen anything like it on murals or heard of it in legends. Thats why they have no defence or anything like it either, or maybe the "have", but none of them is able to control what is left of something like a planetary defense system etc.
Or maybe they have seen things like that, maybe they even have build temples around it, but now for the first time they actually see one of it flying.
Passage of time then explains their different look. No longer being a space nation :D and no longer being able to use the biomechanical attachments their bodys began to look less bulky (gravity), thinner (roooids) and they are not that pale anymore either, cause they actually have to leave their house to put food on the table.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 07:27:48 PM
@CoalescedChaos - I adore your signature by the way. It's strange how a few abstract shapes can be so recognisable to an 'Alien' fan.
Thank you kindly, sir! 8)
Quote from: CoalescedChaos on Apr 22, 2017, 06:49:04 PM
SpeedyMaxx, consistent combativeness against those who're sharing their thoughts and theories on the future stories of films they love and adore is lame. This is a place for discussion - not to constantly be told "no", "nope", and "not going to happen" because we let our minds wander. Regardless of whether or not you're attempting to save us from "dissatisfaction".
Just ease up on us a bit. We all share a passion for the same thing.
this +2.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 07:27:48 PM
@SpeedyMaxx - I understand how it can be frustrating to read wild theories which don't align with the leaked plot for 'Alien: Covenant', given that that leak is, let's face it, spot on. Still, you seem to realise that people posting theories is not hurting anyone. Let them eat cake.
@CoalescedChaos - I adore your signature by the way. It's strange how a few abstract shapes can be so recognisable to an 'Alien' fan.
And so thou shall.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 22, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 21, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
Are the Engineers gathered for some sort of event in that domed structure or in response to the juggernaut showing up? It would be interesting if the former and David is making a statement ("I'm your God now"!).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
For the 99th time that's conjecture on your part.
Is anybody else getting a feeling there might be some Planet of the Apes type scenario going on (the original movie)?
Think of the "engineers" from Prometheus as humans nearly destroying their own ecosystem/society (no birds, no animals) and the "engineers" we are presented in Covenant as the survivors of this all, who just begun evolving from the ashes of this downfall. The city itself might be a combination of parts of the old culture and new elements build around.
Thats why when David arrives with the flying saucer (and i bet he is the one in control of that flying scorpion tail too) they are all drawn to the arenaesque plaza, cause they only seen anything like it on murals or heard of it in legends. Thats why they have no defence or anything like it either, or maybe the "have", but none of them is able to control what is left of something like a planetary defense system etc.
Or maybe they have seen things like that, maybe they even have build temples around it, but now for the first time they actually see one of it flying.
Passage of time then explains their different look. No longer being a space nation :D and no longer being able to use the biomechanical attachments their bodys began to look less bulky (gravity), thinner (roooids) and they are not that pale anymore either, cause they actually have to leave their house to put food on the table.
I was thinking the same thing. What we see of the Engineer civilization "today" is the culmination of some sort of catastrophic event from the past that caused the turning on/loss of technology and reverting to a simpler life. I mean, the Engineers as we know them could be the "gods" of this group. Mythical almost. It would explain David's actions. He's dealing with "fallen angels" who retain the potential for past exploits.
Yeah, I think the Engineers having been cross-bred over the millennia into hybridizing with the species they once seeded is actually an interesting idea worth thinking about or exploring onscreen in a proper cosmic epic story. But knowing Ridley it's something he'd toss off in an interview or a line on the commentary track as we watch David nuke 'em.
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 22, 2017, 10:00:35 PM
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 22, 2017, 09:04:23 PM
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 21, 2017, 05:55:22 PM
Are the Engineers gathered for some sort of event in that domed structure or in response to the juggernaut showing up? It would be interesting if the former and David is making a statement ("I'm your God now"!).
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 21, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Apr 21, 2017, 05:27:43 PM
As I said this place is some holy site on some kind of sacred planet if you will. I think those pseudo engineer humanoids are some kind of priests, and they are not the Engineers from the Prometheus. They are not Engineers at all.
For the 99th time: They are the Engineers and Ridley Scott is doing away with that storyline.
For the 99th time that's conjecture on your part.
Is anybody else getting a feeling there might be some Planet of the Apes type scenario going on (the original movie)?
Think of the "engineers" from Prometheus as humans nearly destroying their own ecosystem/society (no birds, no animals) and the "engineers" we are presented in Covenant as the survivors of this all, who just begun evolving from the ashes of this downfall. The city itself might be a combination of parts of the old culture and new elements build around.
Thats why when David arrives with the flying saucer (and i bet he is the one in control of that flying scorpion tail too) they are all drawn to the arenaesque plaza, cause they only seen anything like it on murals or heard of it in legends. Thats why they have no defence or anything like it either, or maybe the "have", but none of them is able to control what is left of something like a planetary defense system etc.
Or maybe they have seen things like that, maybe they even have build temples around it, but now for the first time they actually see one of it flying.
Passage of time then explains their different look. No longer being a space nation :D and no longer being able to use the biomechanical attachments their bodys began to look less bulky (gravity), thinner (roooids) and they are not that pale anymore either, cause they actually have to leave their house to put food on the table.
I was thinking the same thing. What we see of the Engineer civilization "today" is the culmination of some sort of catastrophic event from the past that caused the turning on/loss of technology and reverting to a simpler life. I mean, the Engineers as we know them could be the "gods" of this group. Mythical almost. It would explain David's actions. He's dealing with "fallen angels" who retain the potential for past exploits.
"They don't deserve to start again, and I'm not going to let them."
Is that quote confirmed? Would definitely fit.
QuoteHe's dealing with "fallen angels" who retain the potential for past exploits.
There might be more Prometheus to Covenant than one think: if what you assume is true these beings have re-established a condition for their society one could call Paradise-like. But instead of leaving them alone, God is punishing them again for quite literally creating mankind, just like Prometheus is being subjected for eternal punishment.
Predaker reminded me in the other thread (which, yikes) that David was apparently referring to humanity with that line - i.e., humanity starting out in the stars, colonizing with the Covenant.
But the idea of the Engineers being reduced to the quasi-agrarian society suggested in the pictures as a kind of analogy for divine punishment is a very interesting idea.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Predaker reminded me in the other thread (which, yikes) that David was apparently referring to humanity with that line - i.e., humanity starting out in the stars, colonizing with the Covenant.
But the idea of the Engineers being reduced to the quasi-agrarian society suggested in the pictures as a kind of analogy for divine punishment is a very interesting idea.
Ah ok, but humanity isnt really re-starting, arent they? Unless ok he means the process of seeding life, which they somehow repeat by colonizing okok.. But that would definitely imply that David makes no difference in agency when it comes to engineers/humans. Humans then deserve to die because their "fathers" have ++++ it up millenias ago, and they dont get their own take on things.Thats in line with the mythical approach i guess.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 22, 2017, 10:52:52 PM
Ah ok, but humanity isnt really re-starting, arent they? Unless ok he means the process of seeding life, which they somehow repeat by colonizing okok..
My (limited) understanding is that he's referring to the
Covenant expedition, which I think the crew has said is the first deep-space colonization project. Much has been made in the trailers, the Last Supper, the promos etc. of this being humanity's next big leap forward, starting a new 'life' in the frontier, a new future for humanity, etc etc. David's comments appear to be a response to that.
QuoteBut that would definitely imply that David makes no difference in agency when it comes to engineers/humans. Humans then deserve to die because their "fathers" have ++++ it up millenias ago, and they dont get their own take on things.Thats in line with the mythical approach i guess.
I think he's also accounting for his own experience with Peter Weyland, who he loved/hated and who I think is his basis for how he views humans.
Quote from: kwisatz on Apr 22, 2017, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
Predaker reminded me in the other thread (which, yikes) that David was apparently referring to humanity with that line - i.e., humanity starting out in the stars, colonizing with the Covenant.
But the idea of the Engineers being reduced to the quasi-agrarian society suggested in the pictures as a kind of analogy for divine punishment is a very interesting idea.
Ah ok, but humanity isnt really re-starting, arent they? Unless ok he means the process of seeding life, which they somehow repeat by colonizing okok.. But that would definitely imply that David makes no difference in agency when it comes to engineers/humans. Humans then deserve to die because their "fathers" have ++++ it up millenias ago, and they dont get their own take on things.Thats in line with the mythical approach i guess.
Here is more of the dialogue that goes with that quote from David.
Spoiler
"The gods have rejected mankind as cruel, weak and full of greed," ... "They are a dying species, grasping for resurrection. So they are leaving the earth forever."
He continues, "But their power is an illusion. They don't deserve to start again, and I'm not going to let them."
Yep. Covenant.
I bet he says that to Walter. Should be good!
Thanks for the quotes, Predaker.
Come to think about it, i really wonder if David perceives himself as a sort of lifeform, the only one worth existing no doubt. But wouldnt it then be more logical for him to try to replicate himself, rather than experimenting in the biological camp again (just like the engineers did). He obviously doesnt consider himself as being imperfect at all and with all the technology surrounding him he sure should be able to produce more Davids? I mean if weak cruel dying decadent humanity could build him..
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 07:31:24 PMDoin' it.
I spy with my darting little eye, a jolly good man. :)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 09:36:04 PMAnd so thou shall.
?!
I fear you've lost me. Follow my own advice, is that it? Sorry if I'm reading that wrong. I should care to ask for clarification. Many thanks.
It's interesting that the Engineers never finished the job of nuking Earth.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Apr 22, 2017, 07:31:24 PMDoin' it.
I spy with my darting little eye, a jolly good man. :)
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 09:36:04 PMAnd so thou shall.
?!
I fear you've lost me. Follow my own advice, is that it? Sorry if I'm reading that wrong. I should care to ask for clarification. Many thanks.
:)
Quote from: rabidranger on Apr 22, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
It's interesting that the Engineers never finished the job of nuking Earth.
Not for lack of trying
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if the Life and Death comics are taken into consideration.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
I fear you've lost me. Follow my own advice, is that it? Sorry if I'm reading that wrong. I should care to ask for clarification. Many thanks.
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Apr 22, 2017, 09:36:04 PM
:)
Okay, I see. However, to the best of my knowledge, I haven't actually dismissed anybodies thoughts, nor have I been insulting in conversation (certainly not in recent memory, at any rate) but okay, fair enough. Duly noted.
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 07:27:48 PM
Let them eat cake.
Who needs cake when you can have...
Spoiler
cornbread.
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 23, 2017, 01:39:03 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 07:27:48 PM
Let them eat cake.
Who needs cake when you can have...
Spoiler
cornbread.
Stop trying to make cornbread happen. It's not going to happen.
Quote from: Anthony on Apr 23, 2017, 01:40:24 AM
Quote from: Predaker on Apr 23, 2017, 01:39:03 AM
Quote from: St_Eddie on Apr 22, 2017, 07:27:48 PM
Let them eat cake.
Who needs cake when you can have...
Spoiler
cornbread.
Stop trying to make cornbread happen. It's not going to happen.
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