If this has been posted earlier, I apologize! But here is a new interview, courtesy of Prometheus Forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9t02XlBpwEI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9t02XlBpwEI#)!
Sir Ridley discusses the length of the original cut of Prometheus (2 hours 27 minutes), ideas of longer cuts of movies in general, a deleted scene involving Noomi and an axe, and little hints about Blade Runner 2.
That's enough time to show pretty much most of the things we know were cut.
I wanna' see what the Proto does next, considering it has nothing to do lol, nobody to kill, one maybe two things too eat... xD, its gunna' be one lonely thing
(I'm trying my best not to be a spoiler lol)
Well, there we have it. It's essentially ALIEN 3 all over again. We won't actually see the film til its home video release. Yay. ::)
Of course, even at two and a half hours this film won't even touch the Assembly Cut of A3.
I wonder what's in his contract when he direct a movie. I wonder if part of his contract is owning part of some percentage of DVD/Blu-ray sale? But I'm f**king happy that we are getting the true director's cut. I'm praying it will be close to what we got with Kingdom Of Heaven Director's Cut. KoH DC IMO is almost his masterpiece.
Sorry Cvalda. Alien 3 is still a POS no matter what cuts it gotten. Alien 3 does not exist.
Too bad they put Damon in that suit for the whole interview. Couldn't hear a thing he said.
In other news, Ridley Scott: still crazy.
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 11, 2012, 02:43:30 AM
Of course, even at two and a half hours this film won't even touch the Assembly Cut of A3.
Few things could compare with that ropey dogburster and a slew of modern British thespians all rendered anonymous and inaudible for about an hour-forty-five.
As to the cut, I do think we saw exactly what Ridley intended - for the theater. He's a businessman first. He calculated what would make the most money and cut it down accordingly for the theater per day, and slashed it down to do so. He put out the would-be PG-13-if-not-for-the-medpod cut, and held back the longer version with the R violence for Blu/DVD. It may be a crass consumer calculation, but it's a smart one.
Quote from: PROM3TH3US on Jun 11, 2012, 02:49:23 AM
Sorry Cvalda. Alien 3 is still a POS no matter what cuts it gotten. Alien 3 does not exist.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Jun 11, 2012, 02:53:41 AM
Few things could compare with that ropey dogburster and a slew of modern British thespians all rendered anonymous and inaudible for about an hour-forty-five.
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I would reply, but I don't speak macro.
From how I take it, the movie is 2 hours because that was most convenient to commerce. It was the best way for everyone to make money, including the theaters?
I also really wish he kept in the Noomi/SJ fight. Forget diminishing the SJ, not having the ax battle really diminished Noomi's character. Sure the SJ took a shot to his suit and shrugged it off but I'm sure an ax to the back of the knee would have knocked him down a notch. That's nothing to be ashamed of as it would have f**king hurt.
Yeah, it was cut down that much for more daily showings. I think we also got the PG-13 cut plus the surgery, which put it over the top with the MPAA.
I do hope they restore everything for the home release, and that, given the success of the film, they don't bother with cutting so much for the sequel. Avengers did great with a longer running time, and now this franchise has proven itself again.
I generally find that the tighter edit is the more absorbing one, so cutting down fights doesn't bother me. But if there are other scenes cut that added to the characters, I'm game.
Yeah, everyone I went with - admittedly, mostly people who work in the field - said it was just long enough and that nothing should be added but the final fight at the end. I'm either too naive or too idealistic because I disagreed.
Ridley was barely comprehensible per his usual schtick.
I actually LOVE Alien3. It was the only sequel out of 3 to attempt to get the tone of ALIEN right. In terms of Prometheus not holding a candle to ALIEN3.....
Good to hear there is deleted scenes/cut footage that we will see.
All I want is more Fassbender, and maybe a bit more time spent in the pyramid. And some characters in the movie feel like they had a lot of their scenes cut. Also, I want to know why Janek was given the go-ahead to spout exposition that should not have been his.
But do I want a protracted fight between Rapace and Ian Whyte? No, I think it was just long enough.
So now we can finally see all rest of the stuff from the trailers... that weve already seen. OH BABY!
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 11, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
So now we can finally see all rest of the stuff from the trailers... that weve already seen. OH BABY!
What was there in the trailers that wasn't in the movie? There were so many trailers I didn't see.
Quote from: PRI. HUDSON on Jun 11, 2012, 04:25:55 AM
Quote from: Aceburster on Jun 11, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
So now we can finally see all rest of the stuff from the trailers... that weve already seen. OH BABY!
What was there in the trailers that wasn't in the movie? There were so many trailers I didn't see.
Theres tons of stuff, heck i think theres an unused "alien" design for Fitfield in one of em. I saw the gif floatin round here somewhere of it.
It WAS used, it was used and replaced as it was too revelatory for Scott. They probably spent more money editing it back to "normal" Fifield than they did making the first design.
What design are you referring too? I thought it was always that way?
Yeah right.. this came also up in my mind watching Alien(1979).. what did the did the chestburster after bursting out of the sj ???!!!
Quote from: PredatorsInstinct on Jun 11, 2012, 02:42:05 AM
I wanna' see what the Proto does next, considering it has nothing to do lol, nobody to kill, one maybe two things too eat... xD, its gunna' be one lonely thing
(I'm trying my best not to be a spoiler lol)
I think it was just supposed to run off. They could've shot it this way.
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Quote from: atlantis on Jun 11, 2012, 07:24:53 AM
Yeah right.. this came also up in my mind watching Alien(1979).. what did the did the chestburster after bursting out of the sj ???!!!
Quote from: PredatorsInstinct on Jun 11, 2012, 02:42:05 AM
I wanna' see what the Proto does next, considering it has nothing to do lol, nobody to kill, one maybe two things too eat... xD, its gunna' be one lonely thing
(I'm trying my best not to be a spoiler lol)
Lol did it just wonder round like a headless chicken for a bit or whaa?! xD
I hope we do get a director's cut this year and that Fox won't release one until the sequel comes out. I hate when they do that they wait until a few years later to release a special edition to cash in on the upcoming sequel.
Quote from: echobbase79 on Jun 11, 2012, 07:30:16 AM
I think it was just supposed to run off. They could've shot it this way.
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The complete last image has it moving towards the (now) derelict. Urns, bodies. The future.
I actually wouldn't put it past the little guy to pilot the ship away, as crazy as that sounds.
Proto Xeno, or how you call it, might wander into the temple and take a bath in the black goo..
Who knows!
The black goo thing sounds good...
When is Ridley going to come up with something fresh? Prometheus was mined from the ore of Alien's past.
Now, even with his Blade Runner sequel, the scene he describes (farmland) is the scene he originally wanted to open Blade Runner with!
Ridley. Please stop.
meet the dark engineer.
A Alien as intelligent as an engineer as lethal as a xeno.
Won't be suprised that he get to pilot a ship... Ugh...
As for the deleteds scenes... f**k fox and scott for making us wait.
Again.
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 11, 2012, 10:01:18 AM
meet the dark engineer.
A Alien as intelligent as an engineer as lethal as a xeno.
Won't be suprised that he get to pilot a ship... Ugh...
As for the deleteds scenes... f**k fox and scott for making us wait.
Again.
The deleted scenes might not add much.
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jun 11, 2012, 09:57:44 AM
When is Ridley going to come up with something fresh? Prometheus was mined from the ore of Alien's past.
Now, even with his Blade Runner sequel, the scene he describes (farmland) is the scene he originally wanted to open Blade Runner with!
Ridley. Please stop.
Well spotted mate.
He's digging again.
Just hope he wont hire another hack screenwriter.
Quote from: bleau on Jun 11, 2012, 10:02:38 AM
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 11, 2012, 10:01:18 AM
meet the dark engineer.
A Alien as intelligent as an engineer as lethal as a xeno.
Won't be suprised that he get to pilot a ship... Ugh...
As for the deleteds scenes... f**k fox and scott for making us wait.
Again.
The deleted scenes might not add much.
I'm talking about the creature potential use.
Not that this will be featured in an exented cut.
:)
I see no problem in him using concepts that he had to abandon on previous films as long as it makes sense in the bigger picture. There's nothing wrong with being inspired by an unused idea or scene. If anything it's a good jumping off point.
never said it was a bad thing.
Especially if they are good concepts.
Thing is that now we have seen what Scott can do with those...
He didnt give f**k about the script using them.
Damn... That proto-xeno looks like a pikmin
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 11, 2012, 10:03:10 AM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jun 11, 2012, 09:57:44 AM
When is Ridley going to come up with something fresh? Prometheus was mined from the ore of Alien's past.
Now, even with his Blade Runner sequel, the scene he describes (farmland) is the scene he originally wanted to open Blade Runner with!
Ridley. Please stop.
Well spotted mate.
He's digging again.
Just hope he wont hire another hack screenwriter.
The original screenwriter Hampton Fancher is being brought on board for the script, fortunately.
hopefully someone will fanedit the axe fight back in
yeah i posted this that charlize theron and ridly had and interview on movie web and said they they would probably release an extended cut bluray of prometheus adding a lil bit over 17 min of cut footage i hope its true because to me 2 hrs and 3 mins including credits its short has hell lol for a movie of this scope and nature.
17 minutes of the 2 bed scenes!!!
anyway interesting interview thanks for the heads up hope its true though. 8)
Scott said there was half an hour of scenes he wanted to add in his BBC interview...tbh, there's probably shit-loads, if not an entirely different movie.
I hope we see the elongated/Xenofied Filfield.
The decisions to make a 2 hour movie have worked, no matter how much it weakened the film's narrative. The economics are there plain to see - $150m+ in the first week. Exceptional for an R-rated film, and pretty impossible to achieve if the film was much longer.
he better make an extended cut i dont like the idea of adding the scenes has extras i think thats a very halfass shitty thing to do considering the fact that every movie he has made has more than one cut but with this one he wants to leave it has it is i hope he thinks long hand hard if he likes the movie the way it is that much than be a true business man and make th bluray contain and extended cut and an original cut so people be able tho choose which version they like best its only logical and ssmart to give the viewer choice and give them more for the money they pay for not less or the same.
yaaaas. this makes me very happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJQBLCRWJs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJQBLCRWJs#)
according to this video Janek and Vickers have a scene after Vickers kills Charlie
there is a lot other videos but nothing much new about the deleted scenes
Quote from: Symn on Jun 11, 2012, 10:36:42 AM
Damn... That proto-xeno looks like a pikmin
Priceless :laugh:
he better make an extended cut i dont like the idea of adding the scenes has extras i think thats a very halfass shitty thing to do considering the fact that every movie he has made has more than one cut but with this one he wants to leave it has it is i hope he thinks long hand hard if he likes the movie the way it is that much than be a true business man and make the bluray contain and extended cut and an original cut so people be able tho choose which version they like best its only logical and smart to give the viewer choice and give them more for the money they pay for not less or the same. the movie felt incomplete and rushed to me i believe if ridley is such a smart business man has he believes himself to be he would do the extended cut bluray but also allowing u to choose which version u wish to see if the original cut since he loved iot so much or the version every fan wants to see and extended cut the one that every one truly wants to see and if they do a sequel i hope it shows that shaw reaches the homeworld of the engineers but what if the space jockeys or engineers were created by something else what if the true creators of the xenomorph that we know and life has we know it has a connection to the predators or something like that i just see this has an opportunity to expand and create something memorable. i say a true business man finds a way to make more money by actually pleasing the fan base by giving them what they want in the end is there money that makes them rich and able to live the way they do.
So, am I understanding this right...
We're getting 20 additional minutes in the extended cut.
And then separate from that, we're getting 30 minutes worth of deleted scenes as extras?
Vickers my understanding of this interview is that the movie had about 20 minutes of cut footage but he doesnt know if he will reintegrated in to the movie has an extended cut or leave it has extras. i believe if that is the case that is bullshit since every single movie he has made has 2 or even 3 versions so why know he wants to keep this one has it is that doesnt sound like such a smart business man practice to me. :)
scenes not in the movie
for example:
noomi's fight with the engineer
Janek talks to Vickers after Charlie's death
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Weyland, Shaw, Ford and the 2 mercenaries walking into the fight with Fifield during their way to the alien ship
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Fifield saying "its a starmap"
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we have never seen that bowl
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David smiling , goo dancing
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Shaw on the floor in front of Engie
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Quote from: szkoki on Jun 11, 2012, 01:18:06 PM
we have never seen that bowl
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its one of those bowls that the engineer drank from on the beginning of the film
One thing that they really really need to include is the TED footage of young Weyland. My friend saw the movie without seeing the virals and thought of Weyland as just a scared old man afraid to die. The viral footage of Weyland really conveys his hubris and god complex, along with tying together a lot of the film, showing his ambition to actually be Prometheus.
It also gives some insight to the lack of relationship between Vickers and Weyland. She refers to him as a "king" but to the theater audience, he is just a rich old man who wanted a son. The TED footage shows how he really does want to build a kingdom, which is why he wants a son.
^ That. Really liked that TED talk. :D Just improve some of the special effects.. and voila.
Here's hoping the added scenes can solve some of the problems that i have with the flick.
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Jun 11, 2012, 09:57:44 AM
When is Ridley going to come up with something fresh? Prometheus was mined from the ore of Alien's past.
Now, even with his Blade Runner sequel, the scene he describes (farmland) is the scene he originally wanted to open Blade Runner with!
Ridley. Please stop.
Well, he's also doing adaptations of
The Forever War and
Brave New World, so there's freshness in his future as well.
But, I do see what you mean.
Anyways, look forward to the extended cut. While I did enjoy the film considerably, it also felt like there was something missing as I was watching it.
David could watch not only the Lawrence of Arabia, but also the TED speech.
I believe that incinerating Fifield was not enough, they are going to kill the motherf**ker definitely when they try to transfer to the Juggernaut control room.
I think is great that Ridley Scott made Prometheus. It sounds like some people here would have preferred that the movie had never been made. Thank you Ridley for a fantastic movie.
The best part is Prometheus will now be 144 minutes long, also it will not feel so cut up.
This is great! More Prometheus to watch!
I really look forward to new footage AND the commentary!
If they mix the Ted talk with the opening scene. I think they could make a very powerfull and interesting scene. And it would give Weyland a lot more background information.
Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 11, 2012, 02:43:30 AM
Well, there we have it. It's essentially ALIEN 3 all over again. We won't actually see the film til its home video release. Yay. ::)
Of course, even at two and a half hours this film won't even touch the Assembly Cut of A3.
I have a strong feeling everyone will like the extended cut of Prometheus better then the theatrical cut.
Because it will be the REAL movie that Scott wanted to do instead of the hacked version he accepted to deliver to Fox.
Don't think it will save some of the worst stuff Lindelof came up withbut i think it will be more watchable than the theatrical cut.
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 11, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Because it will be the REAL movie that Scott wanted to do instead of the hacked version he accepted to deliver to Fox.
He says the exact opposite, at length, in that Collider interview. Ridley is a businessman who made a calculation for length and what he felt worked better. He chose to cut it down, and he claims he won't be restoring the fight with the Engineer to the longer cut. Whether or not I agree sight unseen is one thing, but Ridley Scott's motives, as stated, are pretty clear. We can agree or disagree as we like, but watch the interview and then tell me, 'oh, Fox made him do it, Lindelof made him do it.' No one's made Ridley Scott do anything here. He was in control of this film - if you like it or hate it, take it up with Ridley Scott.
QuoteDon't think it will save some of the worst stuff Lindelof came up withbut i think it will be more watchable than the theatrical cut.
Again, Scott came up with that stuff with Lindelof. He chose to move the film away from the old stuff (which the audience I was with was pleased about, vs the Spaihts draft) and was very involved in the writing process.
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 11, 2012, 04:17:53 PM
Because it will be the REAL movie that Scott wanted to do instead of the hacked version he accepted to deliver to Fox.
Don't think it will save some of the worst stuff Lindelof came up withbut i think it will be more watchable than the theatrical cut.
Maybe this time the extended version can have better reviews and I hope we get that directors cut in a couple of months upon it's release :).
More unanimous reviews on the site, perhaps, since the fandom is divided. But the public reaction seems to have gone fairly well, and the film is a success.
Someone asked for it ealier, Fifield Alien. This is based on a web image search not any knowledge of the Art Book.
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I like it, myself.
But it would've been laughed off the Internet in action. Particularly with the frowny face. I would've preferred something that split the difference between the human-esque mutant in the film and something becoming even more alien. I think they hedged on the side of caution in terms of what the audience would laugh at. But mostly I think the thing in the film is fine - just not seen enough.
Quote from: skeewhiff on Jun 11, 2012, 06:03:21 PM
Someone asked for it ealier, Fifield Alien. This is based on a web image search not any knowledge of the Art Book.
Spoiler
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I was the one that asked. Thanks for posting. :)
I actually like that better than what we got. To me that's creepier.
The movie needs the extended cut, I loved it but it certainly had a few things that need ironed out.. I dont think the cut will take care of all of it, but it should help things quite a bit. Im fine with all the big mysteries, I just hope things get tightened up a bit.
I just hope that most of the cut scenes will be incorporated back into the film and not thrown onto 'Disc 2' under 'Deleted Scenes'.
Quote from: NGR01 on Jun 11, 2012, 10:24:48 AM
never said it was a bad thing.
The poster you quoted did. It was that I was reacting to and not your following post.
Quote from: Ooze on First on Jun 11, 2012, 06:59:41 PM
I just hope that most of the cut scenes will be incorporated back into the film and not thrown onto 'Disc 2' under 'Deleted Scenes'.
I couldn't agree more. I don't want to have to rely on some fan edit. I want an official extended cut.
One of the feelings I had after watching the film was that it was edited down too much, with insufficient time given to some characters's development. Based on that, I am looking forward to the extended cut/extra footage/deleted scenes.
In particular, the idea (earlier in this thread) that the TED talk should be woven in is excellent. I lapped up ALL the virals and ads so didn't go into the film fresh, but i see how someone who hadn't seen the TED talk would have a less than accurate view of Weyland.
Without wanting to offend anyone, I do think that the criticism of Scott regarding the shorter run time is a little bit naive. It's show *business* people and the institutions that put up the cash to make these films want to see a return on their investment, especially in this economy. And of course Ridley is going to talk up the film - he's not going to bite the hand that feeds. I would venture that (in his words) being "user friendly" means that he can get things in return - quid pro quo, Clarice.
I wonder if we will be getting one of this scene.
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We did get that scene, that was the Weyland hologram.
Quote from: skeewhiff on Jun 11, 2012, 06:03:21 PM
Someone asked for it ealier, Fifield Alien. This is based on a web image search not any knowledge of the Art Book.
Spoiler
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i would luv that!!!!!!
The alien's like " :-[" and then he's like, "FALCO-PUUUNCH!"
Contractually, the Blu Ray might be released as theatrical cut first, possibly with some extras, and then later the full cut. So Ridley cannot come out and directly say there will be the extended version for certain, or everyone will wait for the extended release and won't buy the film twice. This double dip is standard operating procedure and nobody's going to want to pass up that additional revenue.
Also after working on the film, Ridley will need a break to work on other things before coming back with fresh eyes and deciding what he ultimately consider as a definitive version. There's no way after working on something for a long time to really have that perspective.
I do feel some pretty important information is in the viral videos that would help somebody understand the film better. I'm not sure if I would have made as much sense of things on first viewing without seeing those beforehand. So I assume they would appear on any version of Blu Ray as an extra.
I loved this movie. It doesn't have to answer every question one might have about it (Alien sure didn't, and that still has people brainstorming over 30 years later). Didn't think it was cut up or mashed into something terrible due to time constraints/Fox. If we all started immersing ourselves in movies and just letting our thoughts go for the duration, perhaps we can enjoy films again instead of always pretending to be critics on tv over-analysing every aspect.
Spoken well, I totally agree
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Jun 12, 2012, 06:17:10 AM
I loved this movie. It doesn't have to answer every question one might have about it (Alien sure didn't, and that still has people brainstorming over 30 years later). Didn't think it was cut up or mashed into something terrible due to time constraints/Fox. If we all started immersing ourselves in movies and just letting our thoughts go for the duration, perhaps we can enjoy films again instead of always pretending to be critics on tv over-analysing every aspect.
If the Blu-ray release will be 20 min longer, I will get a mindblow. It surprised me greatly when Aliens got additional 20 min in the Special Edition and I loved it. Seeing additional 20 minutes to this movie sounds like music to my ears.
the statements contradict each other, no?
Quote:
You're going to do an extended cut on the Blu-ray/DVD. Is it a lot longer?
SCOTT: Twenty minutes.
So there's, like, twenty minutes that will be added back in for a longer version?
SCOTT: Maybe. But I'm so happy with this engine, the way it is right now. I think it's fine. I think it works
the interviewer assumes, that RS is doing an "extended cut" (ie roughly 20 mins longer than TC) ... he then asks, if RS will incorporate that +20mins into a longer version .. and RS answers "Maybe" .. but he's happy with it as it is ..
can anyone make any sense out of that?
I don't need a "deleted scenes" section in the BluRay Menu ... you need to have this stuff re-edited into a longer cut version of the movie !
Quote from: departedhero20 on Jun 12, 2012, 01:19:04 PM
the statements contradict each other, no?
Quote:
You're going to do an extended cut on the Blu-ray/DVD. Is it a lot longer?
SCOTT: Twenty minutes.
So there's, like, twenty minutes that will be added back in for a longer version?
SCOTT: Maybe. But I'm so happy with this engine, the way it is right now. I think it's fine. I think it works
the interviewer assumes, that RS is doing an "extended cut" (ie roughly 20 mins longer than TC) ... he then asks, if RS will incorporate that +20mins into a longer version .. and RS answers "Maybe" .. but he's happy with it as it is ..
can anyone make any sense out of that?
I don't need a "deleted scenes" section in the BluRay Menu ... you need to have this stuff re-edited into a longer cut version of the movie !
Well the Director's cut wasn't Scott's preferred version either, I believe. And neither is the longer one here. Either he's just saying it for now, or he really feels that the theatrical version is definitive. But just like with the ALIEN directors cut, that won't stop extra footage from being reinserted, re-edited, etc.
That's what I think.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44279.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44279.0)
cott cut Prometheus down from two hours and 27 minutes to two hours and four minutes, which does mean there may be upwards of 23 minutes of deleted scenes. He has already said there won't be an extended cut, but extended scenes will be made available on the Blu-ray.
More info on the link above
I'm wondering how much control he will have over extended cuts? Alien Resurrection's director seemed to adore his theatrical version and refused to call the extended cut a director's cut but they made it anyway. Fox may be able to release any version they want, it's just a matter of Ridley being happy about it.
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 12, 2012, 08:38:17 PM
I'm wondering how much control he will have over extended cuts? Alien Resurrection's director seemed to adore his theatrical version and refused to call the extended cut a director's cut but they made it anyway. Fox may be able to release any version they want, it's just a matter of Ridley being happy about it.
Maybe it's not a control thing? It could be possible that he prefers the theatrical cut (as with Alien)
That's what I'm getting at. Even if he prefers the theatrical edition, an extended cut may show up anyway, courtesy of Fox. If there's money to be made, they'll release it, with or without his blessing.
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 12, 2012, 08:51:17 PM
That's what I'm getting at. Even if he prefers the theatrical edition, an extended cut may show up anyway, courtesy of Fox. If there's money to be made, they'll release it, with or without his blessing.
I get the impression from some of Ridley's interviews that this maybe the case.
I have a bad feeling we will be waiting a while for a DC, Fox will milk the theatrical one dry first!
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 12, 2012, 08:51:17 PM
That's what I'm getting at. Even if he prefers the theatrical edition, an extended cut may show up anyway, courtesy of Fox. If there's money to be made, they'll release it, with or without his blessing.
I hope ur right pal because the interview are starting to worry me i mean who the hell wants to see deleted scenes in extras i know i f**king dont >:(
Just buy wisely. They'll release a diamond pack with blu ray first, but they WILL release a plain DVD about a month later.
Disney is famous for this. They release the DVD/Blu Ray combo packs first then release the plain DVD a few weeks later.
So don't go splurging on this if there's no extended version:
http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Blu-ray-DVD-Digital-Copy/dp/B0085Z8F4A/ref=sr_tr_sr_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1339534786&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Blu-ray-DVD-Digital-Copy/dp/B0085Z8F4A/ref=sr_tr_sr_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1339534786&sr=1-2)
buy this instead or just wait:
http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Michael-Fassbender/dp/B005LAIHXQ/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1339534786&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Michael-Fassbender/dp/B005LAIHXQ/ref=sr_tr_sr_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1339534786&sr=1-1)
Quote from: departedhero20 on Jun 12, 2012, 08:30:39 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44279.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=44279.0)
cott cut Prometheus down from two hours and 27 minutes to two hours and four minutes, which does mean there may be upwards of 23 minutes of deleted scenes. He has already said there won't be an extended cut, but extended scenes will be made available on the Blu-ray.
More info on the link above
Wow, you linked to a thread by yourself where you're over-reacting to someone misunderstanding something Scott said in a totally different interview. That sure proves it. ::) Scott has already mentioned a longer cut. Of course he's not going to diss the version in theaters. ::)
In one interviews scott kept saying extra scenes will be available on the menu. So it took it as seperate from film.
::) Well Cybercat Im not over reacting to anything im just posting news and giving my opinion and seen others reactions and opinions you dont like the post noted but i dont care if anyone likes it or not im just putting news and trying to help if people like it or not well thats their problem just like its your problem if u think its an overreaction well u cant expect everyone to react like u we are all different. Me well i reacted concerned because i would love to see an extended version and so far ive read two different interviews tw different sites all say the same shit Scot doesn't want an extended cut so i posted to see what other think but thank you for your incredible contribution :P
Quote from: bleau on Jun 13, 2012, 04:16:37 AM
In one interviews scott kept saying extra scenes will be available on the menu. So it took it as seperate from film.
If you were actually paying attention he specifically said that the Shaw/Engineer fight would not be in the "long cut" but would be available on the Bluray. He differentiated.
The reason his answer seems so convoluted is becuase he has to consider the politics of saying anything that could be interpreted as not praising the cut of the film that is in theaters now, which would be stupid.
"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
Quote from: Cybercat on Jun 13, 2012, 02:27:34 PM
Quote from: bleau on Jun 13, 2012, 04:16:37 AM
In one interviews scott kept saying extra scenes will be available on the menu. So it took it as seperate from film.
If you were actually paying attention he specifically said that the Shaw/Engineer fight would not be in the "long cut" but would be available on the Bluray. He differentiated.
The reason his answer seems so convoluted is becuase he has to consider the politics of saying anything that could be interpreted as not praising the cut of the film that is in theaters now, which would be stupid.
"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
So what is your argument here?
Is there a chance the extended version of Prometheus DVD could come out a month after the normal DVD?.
If Ridley is putting deleted scenes back into the film (and I'm not convinced that he is), this extended cut will either be included in the first release in October, via seamless branching, or they'll wait a year or more to put it out.
The fact that Ridley's already thinking about doing an extended cut makes me think that the extended cut has a very good chance of being included in the first release in October.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Jun 16, 2012, 05:29:45 PM
The fact that Ridley's already thinking about doing an extended cut makes me think that the extended cut has a very good chance of being included in the first release in October.
I hope your right :P
Quote from: Vecrotus on Jun 16, 2012, 05:29:45 PM
The fact that Ridley's already thinking about doing an extended cut makes me think that the extended cut has a very good chance of being included in the first release in October.
That would be nice of him... ::)
The movie might make sense with the extended cut since they obviously chopped it to pieces...
According to the studio, Ridley and the writer; this movie was supposed to be epic. Hard to do on the alloted time. If Peter Jackson / New line cinema can do (3) 200min movies...I don't see Fox's excuses.
I will not bash the film like many other have done. I just feel it was incomplete. I wanted to be inmersed in the universe, by the time the movie ended, I asked myself "what just happened?"...
Freaking clueless..
I can't wait for the Blu ray Director's Cut. I think it will be much better than the Theater's version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auo4xPT5Tfo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auo4xPT5Tfo#ws)
That tv spot shoved in just about every footage not in the movie into the commercial. Janek never said ho ho ho either, right? I was hoping this was an extended cut trailer or something for a sec.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jun 16, 2012, 11:39:55 PM
That tv spot shoved in just about every footage not in the movie into the commercial. Janek never said ho ho ho either, right? I was hoping this was an extended cut trailer or something for a sec.
What about the scene where he stuffs Vickers' stocking? :laugh:
wow , glad I didn't watch the TV spots. Entire movie compressed into 1min 30sec. What a joke.
I watched one trailer 3 months ago then left this joint. The movie was all the better for it.
Quote from: Highland on Jun 17, 2012, 12:23:19 AM
wow , glad I didn't watch the TV spots. Entire movie compressed into 1min 30sec. What a joke.
Its ridiculous. I was looking around on youtube about a half hours or so ago, and one of the TV spots showed the full grown trilobite on the Engineer on the ground with Shaw scrambling away. I'm so thankful that I never saw that on TV, because that was the last thing I expected to happen when she was being pursued by the Engineer through the ship.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 17, 2012, 12:30:58 AM
Quote from: Highland on Jun 17, 2012, 12:23:19 AM
wow , glad I didn't watch the TV spots. Entire movie compressed into 1min 30sec. What a joke.
Its ridiculous. I was looking around on youtube about a half hours or so ago, and one of the TV spots showed the full grown trilobite on the Engineer on the ground with Shaw scrambling away. I'm so thankful that I never saw that on TV, because that was the last thing I expected to happen when she was being pursued by the Engineer through the ship.
I didn't see that one either. It all got a bit crazy on here with even the front page news starting to let the cat out of the bag before you even got to the forums.
I had no idea what any of the creatures looked like or the Engineer. Apart from that one shot of the blue guy way back.
I'll never come here or watch any trailers now in future. Hollywood seem hell-bent on sucking audiences in with trailer reveals. I've done the same with the Dark Knight. I've watched one trailer and even that was pretty spoilerish.
Hopefully the majority of the extra material is used to establish the characters and their relationships. The film would be a thousand times better if we actually gave a shit about the people in it.
For example, Janek and Shaw seem to share some kind of friendship or bond - Shaw has her hand on Janeks shoulder when they are landing, showing some kind of affection between them - but that is never established. All they need is a bit of setup (a conversation showing a natural rapport between them, perhaps some exposition about them becoming friends during mission training) and the scene towards the end in Shaw's quarters would be so much more effective.
Who exactly is Ford and what are her motives?
Why are Ravel and Chance so faithful to their captain?
It wouldn't need much and the film would be a million times better for it IMO.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jun 17, 2012, 01:28:01 AM
Hopefully the majority of the extra material is used to establish the characters and their relationships. The film would be a thousand times better if we actually gave a shit about the people in it.
I agree. I'm one of the people who doesn't mind that the films keeps its mysteries, but "who are these people and how do they relate to each other?" shouldn't be one of them.
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 17, 2012, 03:36:41 PM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jun 17, 2012, 01:28:01 AM
Hopefully the majority of the extra material is used to establish the characters and their relationships. The film would be a thousand times better if we actually gave a shit about the people in it.
I agree. I'm one of the people who doesn't mind that the films keeps its mysteries, but "who are these people and how do they relate to each other?" shouldn't be one of them.
I agree, if you dont care for the character you'll get the AVP:R treatment. xD
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 11, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
One thing that they really really need to include is the TED footage of young Weyland. My friend saw the movie without seeing the virals and thought of Weyland as just a scared old man afraid to die. The viral footage of Weyland really conveys his hubris and god complex, along with tying together a lot of the film, showing his ambition to actually be Prometheus.
It also gives some insight to the lack of relationship between Vickers and Weyland. She refers to him as a "king" but to the theater audience, he is just a rich old man who wanted a son. The TED footage shows how he really does want to build a kingdom, which is why he wants a son.
I AGREE completely. The scene they should've cut is the archaeological dig at the Isle of Skye. The TED speech showing Weyland's God complex should come after the Engineer sacrifice at the waterfall contrasting the altruism of creation and the selfish ambition of young Weyland who compares himself to God. David 8 viral video could come in the middle of the TED presentation just like an introduction of a new product like those done by Google or Motorola. So when Weyland introduces David with all the talk of him not having a soul, the audience will not be overwhelmed. That briefing scene is so loaded with themes, ideas, plot that I don't know if regular audience who have not seen BLADE RUNNER and the concept of replicant could absorb all of it.
David sub-plot, him wanting to free himself from Weyland, his contempt for humans, although ties into the whole theme of Gods and his children, should be in a different film altogether. I think this is the reason people are complaint abt the story being muddled. But Scott & his writers are aiming for a very dense story here. This should be a 3 hour scifi epic. Not a 2 hour action movie with little action and horror sequences.
If Fox wants a stripped down action movie, they should remove the few gory scenes (Fifield rage attack) and remove one "F*ck" word uttered by Milburn, and get a PG13 stamp on the movie (The MedPod can pass for a PG13 I think, there's much more gory violence in LORD OF THE RINGS movies and those get a PG13). Include some dog fight sequences between Prometheus ship & the Juggernaut, or at least show what other cool tech that the Engineer has. At least you are more focused on delivering the entertainment aspect of the movie.
I hope that the whole final act begining with Fifield attack is re edited in its original state.
With Weland leaving the ship at that moment and all...
Quote from: zakzak on Jun 19, 2012, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: TrixieVanSickle on Jun 11, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
One thing that they really really need to include is the TED footage of young Weyland. My friend saw the movie without seeing the virals and thought of Weyland as just a scared old man afraid to die. The viral footage of Weyland really conveys his hubris and god complex, along with tying together a lot of the film, showing his ambition to actually be Prometheus.
It also gives some insight to the lack of relationship between Vickers and Weyland. She refers to him as a "king" but to the theater audience, he is just a rich old man who wanted a son. The TED footage shows how he really does want to build a kingdom, which is why he wants a son.
I AGREE completely. The scene they should've cut is the archaeological dig at the Isle of Skye. The TED speech showing Weyland's God complex should come after the Engineer sacrifice at the waterfall contrasting the altruism of creation and the selfish ambition of young Weyland who compares himself to God. David 8 viral video could come in the middle of the TED presentation just like an introduction of a new product like those done by Google or Motorola. So when Weyland introduces David with all the talk of him not having a soul, the audience will not be overwhelmed. That briefing scene is so loaded with themes, ideas, plot that I don't know if regular audience who have not seen BLADE RUNNER and the concept of replicant could absorb all of it.
David sub-plot, him wanting to free himself from Weyland, his contempt for humans, although ties into the whole theme of Gods and his children, should be in a different film altogether. I think this is the reason people are complaint abt the story being muddled. But Scott & his writers are aiming for a very dense story here. This should be a 3 hour scifi epic. Not a 2 hour action movie with little action and horror sequences.
If Fox wants a stripped down action movie, they should remove the few gory scenes (Fifield rage attack) and remove one "F*ck" word uttered by Milburn, and get a PG13 stamp on the movie (The MedPod can pass for a PG13 I think, there's much more gory violence in LORD OF THE RINGS movies and those get a PG13). Include some dog fight sequences between Prometheus ship & the Juggernaut, or at least show what other cool tech that the Engineer has. At least you are more focused on delivering the entertainment aspect of the movie.
I agree completely. You could get a good 10 to 20 minutes more character and world-building by editing the TED talk, the Quiet Eye, and The Intro to David 8 into the intro to the film.
Ridley has 20 minutes. Think about it: these have to be massive amount of scenes being cut. Take the original ALIEN. The moment Ripley discovers the cocooned Dallas to activating the self destruct mechanism to fighting the Xeno in the lifeboat at the very end is about 20 minutes. There could be something really substantial being removed from the movie other than bits and pieces. Thoughts?
Quote from: zakzak on Jun 20, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
Ridley has 20 minutes. Think about it: these have to be massive amount of scenes being cut. Take the original ALIEN. The moment Ripley discovers the cocooned Dallas to activating the self destruct mechanism to fighting the Xeno in the lifeboat at the very end is about 20 minutes. There could be something really substantial being removed from the movie other than bits and pieces. Thoughts?
That's very true (although I think you meant to say that that scene was like 2 minutes, not 20 ;)). There could be some pretty heavy scenes scattered all throughout the production.
probably the emotional part of Vickers after he killed Charlie was cut because robots cant cry or whatsoever for sure....but with the theatrical cut its still a question if she is a droid or not
The DAVID 8 Viral specifically goes out to state that they can replicate emotions, and even crying, despite the fact that they don't feel it themselves. :-\
I dunno, but I always had a small feeling that David was an altered android to be Weyland's personal assistant. Speaking of viral videos, I agree as well. When I watched Prometheus for the first time, I was disappointed they didn't include the TED Talk video because it gives the audience a better understanding of Weyland. It gives a much better explanation on why he wants to live longer or be immortal, but instead we got the theatrical explanation that he just didn't want to die. If the movie goers saw the TED Talk video, they would understand much better.
I thought Quiet eye would have been a great touch after the excavation in Scotland to show her desperation to get funding for this trip. Not only does it make the funding for the trip more believable, but the video does a nice job introducing Shaw, her personality, what she does for a living, etc. I know that there are time constraints, but they could have just edited and make it shorter.
Another thing is that they would have used the meeting the crew segment in the "Making of Prometheus" video. I think it would have been cool if they showed a montage of the crew. At 2:02
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd-l3udZCic&feature=player_detailpage#t=123s%5B/url)
Honestly i don't think any real character building sequences were cut, The only dialog scene i think he cut is the full SJ/David conversation (2-3mins). The script just isn't very good with the character interactions. As far as the the other 17 mins, its all actions scenes of the "alternate opening",Full on R Shaw medpod scene. Full on R Milburn and Fiflield scene. Weyland escape/Fifield attack, Full on R rated SJ attacking crew, Full Shaw/SJ fight. That would makeup the 20 mins in my opinion.
Let me see if get this right:
No Director's Cut, but in the blue-ray it will have deleted scenes?
So hard to understand what Ridley said.
Seeing Shaw chop up the Engineer with her trusty axe will be worth the price of the DVD.
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on Jun 21, 2012, 04:38:39 AM
Let me see if get this right:
No Director's Cut, but in the blue-ray it will have deleted scenes?
So hard to understand what Ridley said.
I think in some other movies like Blade Runner, Scott didn't have the final say on what the final cut was. He had that say in Prometheus, so what you see IS the director's cut.
It's probably selfish and unrealistic, but I hope they put out a version with EVERYTHING that could be put back in without messing up the continuity of the film. They did that with the Watchmen's Ultimate Version (or w/e it was called), and it was SO GOOD. I could easily see Prometheus having a version like that, if all the extra scenes could be put in.
Quote from: evfanjake on Jun 21, 2012, 06:17:48 AM
It's probably selfish and unrealistic, but I hope they put out a version with EVERYTHING that could be put back in without messing up the continuity of the film. They did that with the Watchmen's Ultimate Version (or w/e it was called), and it was SO GOOD. I could easily see Prometheus having a version like that, if all the extra scenes could be put in.
+1 like FOX did to Aliens.
Excellent...
Quote from: mastermoon on Jun 19, 2012, 03:23:17 PM
Recently a deleted scene with Vickers infected by the Dark Liquid was revealed.
http://manymovies.edublogs.org/files/2012/05/tumblr_lyuueorRKM1rnm594o1_500-1x0epcf.jpg
It happens after the fight with the Engineer.
Quote from: Ruk on Jun 21, 2012, 05:02:46 AM
I think in some other movies like Blade Runner, Scott didn't have the final say on what the final cut was. He had that say in Prometheus, so what you see IS the director's cut.
The execs or insane private investors held a gun to Ridley's head. There is no way the theatrical cut is THE cut. You believe what people say on publicity tours or internet interview pieces ? If this is the cut, why there is an extra of 20 minutes? 5 minutes may be fine, there may be some extended scenes here and there. But 20 minutes is the length of Ripley's final stand in 1979 ALIEN, from the discovery of cocooned Dallas to the fight with Xenomorph in the drop ship. That whole thing is 20 minutes !
Quote from: zakzak on Jun 21, 2012, 08:08:38 AM
Quote from: Ruk on Jun 21, 2012, 05:02:46 AM
I think in some other movies like Blade Runner, Scott didn't have the final say on what the final cut was. He had that say in Prometheus, so what you see IS the director's cut.
The execs or insane private investors held a gun to Ridley's head. There is no way the theatrical cut is THE cut. You believe what people say on publicity tours or internet interview pieces ? If this is the cut, why there is an extra of 20 minutes? 5 minutes may be fine, there may be some extended scenes here and there. But 20 minutes is the length of Ripley's final stand in 1979 ALIEN, from the discovery of cocooned Dallas to the fight with Xenomorph in the drop ship. That whole thing is 20 minutes !
Well, in fact there is a video, and it is posted on the internet of an interview with Scott, and he says the movie is his cut. So, I guess I'll take his word for it. About the 20 minutes, he says the fight scene with Shaw and the Engineer originally did not involve a Xeno. It was just Shaw with her axe, and she won. I suppose that would have taken a few minutes. Scott said he changed it because he thought it was a little unbelievable that the diminutive Shaw could take the giant Engineer out like that. All 4 of the viral clips, I thought were good enough to be in the movie, IDK if the 20 minutes contains those clips or not. And there is mention of an extended conversation with the Engineer that was cut. "Apocolypse Now Redux" added 49 minutes to the original cut.
Quote from: zakzak on Jun 21, 2012, 08:08:38 AM
Quote from: Ruk on Jun 21, 2012, 05:02:46 AM
I think in some other movies like Blade Runner, Scott didn't have the final say on what the final cut was. He had that say in Prometheus, so what you see IS the director's cut.
The execs or insane private investors held a gun to Ridley's head. There is no way the theatrical cut is THE cut. You believe what people say on publicity tours or internet interview pieces ? If this is the cut, why there is an extra of 20 minutes? 5 minutes may be fine, there may be some extended scenes here and there. But 20 minutes is the length of Ripley's final stand in 1979 ALIEN, from the discovery of cocooned Dallas to the fight with Xenomorph in the drop ship. That whole thing is 20 minutes !
20 minutes is nothing. Theres probably hours of extra / alternate footage for every movie that never gets used in the final cut, that's always the case. Look at the extended versions of LOTR with anything from an extra 30 mins to an hour added to the film and there will still be countless scenes that didnt make it into the film evene after that.
Having 20 minutes of deleted scenes isnt alot compared to some films.
Quote from: FUBAR1945 on Jun 21, 2012, 04:38:39 AM
Let me see if get this right:
No Director's Cut, but in the blue-ray it will have deleted scenes?
So hard to understand what Ridley said.
Scott already delivered a directors's cut in theatre, this will be an extended or special or final or whatever edition.
Dont bother mate.
Up to the release Scott and co said whatever made the people get into theatre seats.
They will do the same with the Blu.
Lets just wait and sit patiently until they make an official announcement...
But you can bet that there will not make everything available in the first release...
i am still waiting for the director's cut of alien vs predator
i hear it fixes all the things i don't like about it
Quote from: YOU DO MUTILATE? on Jun 21, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
i am still waiting for the director's cut of alien vs predator
i hear it fixes all the things i don't like about it
I've seen it!
Or them, more accurately. Alien (1979) and Predator (1987).