AvPGalaxy Exclusive - Early John Logan Alien: Covenant Script!

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NetworkATTH

NetworkATTH

#120
There's also some build up for maybe, vaguely a justification as to WHY THERE'S A SHOWER SCENE

In this script, there's a communal shower in the crew quarters. They wash up right after the big tragedy, and don't exchange much words. Thus, explaining the showers.

If I remember correctly, that was not in the later draft. But there's still a shower scene. So did they add that back in at a later draft and that's just a deleted scene they filmed? Or did they not film it? Did they plan to film it, but ended up not? Also, if they didn't plan on filming that scene that explained the random shower, did they really just waste money building a shower set for no other purpose than to have two people murdered?

This is confusing because it isn't in the later draft. I won't say they didn't add it back into the script, that happens all the time. Apparently they shot bits of this script's introduction with Shaw and David, according to Hicks at least. While the later draft left out those details. Like this shower. That means they were writing as they were shooting somewhat, which is always a bad, terrible, sloppy idea.

So...I guess where I'm going with this is, there might be more deleted scenes than we otherwise would have suspected because of how things definitely seemed rushed on this movie, which is a bummer, but since it was announced I always felt that in my gut. There might have been more time to be with the characters. And hopefully they didn't just waste that shower set for one scene



Also, a couple of things I've noticed. There was a production photo of David walking down the hall of the Derelict, with bright light (as described in this script) lighting it up behind him. It couldn't be Walter just alone, and it doesn't make sense for the light to be natural, there's several shots like that...but this is clearly David.




And the prologue, or introduction, isn't in the later draft. Confirming my suspicions since reading this, that this might be a production shot of an extended introduction.

I mean this is basically the same ambient light described in this script, and if Hicks is right about them shooting a bit more of it from this material (while it somehow isn't in the later draft we have?), then, I think these two shots may be from filming it.


And while we're on the topic, remember this picture? The first of the few leaked about this movie during filming?

When exactly did this take place, and when was the Covenant ever on fire?


Corporal Hicks

That was from a viral. I think it was supposed to be the Muthur viral. Can't recall if it shows up in it or not though.

NetworkATTH

NetworkATTH

#122
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
That was from a viral. I think it was supposed to be the Muthur viral. Can't recall if it shows up in it or not though.

One thing I'm just interested alone is that they planned for more use for the shower set, but either deleted the footage or omitted it entirely from the script to only belong to that one scene with ricks and upworth. The "T&A". They may have been over constructing sets for versions of scripts while shoving them in the corner in the final. Or maybe they did film it. Honestly, it just seems very rushed.


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 08, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
That was from a viral. I think it was supposed to be the Muthur viral. Can't recall if it shows up in it or not though.
By the way, besides knowing that they did indeed film more of the prologue, or bridge, whatever it was meant to be in the final film. Do you know anything else they might have shot? If you don't mind me asking

Corporal Hicks

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movies/alien-covenant/deleted-scenes/?page2

It may need an update with some of the stuff I've learned since writing that.

Immortan Jonesy

Immortan Jonesy

#124
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
Also, a couple of things I've noticed. There was a production photo of David walking down the hall of the Derelict, with bright light (as described in this script) lighting it up behind him. It couldn't be Walter just alone, and it doesn't make sense for the light to be natural, there's several shots like that...but this is clearly David.




And the prologue, or introduction, isn't in the later draft. Confirming my suspicions since reading this, that this might be a production shot of an extended introduction.

I mean this is basically the same ambient light described in this script, and if Hicks is right about them shooting a bit more of it from this material (while it somehow isn't in the later draft we have?), then, I think these two shots may be from filming it.

Yup, I wonder how much never released material from the Crossing Prologue could be out there. Also, the sadly discarded Engineer's graveyard would have been great. Ok, maybe not as great as the original Space Jockey scene, but definitely worth watching and better than what we actually got in Covenant. It seemed to suggest a battle, with Engineers trying to kill David to avenge their murdered civilization, and maybe David's Juggernaut was shot down and crashed.

0321recon

0321recon

#125
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Mar 08, 2018, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
Also, a couple of things I've noticed. There was a production photo of David walking down the hall of the Derelict, with bright light (as described in this script) lighting it up behind him. It couldn't be Walter just alone, and it doesn't make sense for the light to be natural, there's several shots like that...but this is clearly David.




And the prologue, or introduction, isn't in the later draft. Confirming my suspicions since reading this, that this might be a production shot of an extended introduction.

I mean this is basically the same ambient light described in this script, and if Hicks is right about them shooting a bit more of it from this material (while it somehow isn't in the later draft we have?), then, I think these two shots may be from filming it.

Yup, I wonder how much never released material from the Crossing Prologue could be out there. Also, the sadly discarded Engineer's graveyard would have been great. Ok, maybe not as great as the original Space Jockey scene, but definitely worth watching and better than what we actually got in Covenant. It seemed to suggest a battle, with Engineers trying to kill David to avenge their murdered civilization, and maybe David's Juggernaut was shot down and crashed.

If I remember right someone talked about they had planned to shoot the dreadnaught being shot down or both the scorpionaught and dreadnaught crashing into each other after the deployment.

I wonder if it everything was actually shot and rendered with cgi though cut out at the behest of Fox.

Let's remember during the test screenings they had a version of the crossing then cut out for YouTube. Then, we heard of a version of the film without the bombing and Ridley pushed Fox to put it back.

Would like to know who decided to cut what out since Scott had to push Fox to reinsert the bombing segment of the crossing.



NetworkATTH

NetworkATTH

#126
It's so bizarre how different the older draft is, but has details that aren't in the later draft...that explain the reasoning for building sets and shooting footage (maybe not that far?) and then in a rush to the finish don't know what to do with what was left over from the previous draft you built sets for and spent money on.

The introduction must have cost quite a lot at least. Now we don't get to see it. The shower set was built not only for Ricks and Upworth, but for a communal shower scene after the solar burst as well. Whether or not they filmed it, I don't know. They went so cut crazy that they cut shots from promotional material that never even appeared in the movie. At no point in any promotional material, or in the film, does the Covenant catch fire. And yet they filmed it for a promotion, and made the set up, and never used it.

They seemingly shot from a hybrid version of various drafts mushed together with ideas from the crew thrown in, so it's impossible at this point to tell what was shot and what wasn't aside from the full Introduction with Noomi Rapace. And I remember, after a point she refused to talk about it.

So it just seems like they slipped on a banana peel and rushed the movie together before it was fully ready to go on digital and celluloid, and the result is, a competent, if not confused film from a confused production.

That's just how it looks like to me. I know I keep harping on this but if they really built a shower set for two scenes, one that establishes there even being a shower, and they omitted that from filming, so it just looks like they wanted a random shower scene. That's not only a waste of production, but a bit of an insult to the audience you'd get rid of one but keep the other that suddenly appears and doesn't quite make much sense. I'm not being a prude, I'm just considering that, how many sets did they build that they wanted to shoot longer on. But didn't.

The editing of this movie from the bottom up is just kind of a mess.  I don't hate the film, but I will criticize it for what it did wrong.

And in my opinion? This all seems like they jumped the gun and started production before they were fully ready to make sense of the script's ideas and fully flesh them out, and might have even made drafts while filming began. Who knows what was tossed out, what was replaced, what was deleted vs what was omitted. I could be wrong. But that's just what it looks like if you piece everything together, one draft having things filmed but deleted vs a later draft having those deleted scenes entirely omitted. That's the tell tale sign of, a blunder of some kind of magnitude.

I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm just thinking out loud putting the pieces together.

Oh well.




If Fox REALLY, REALLY, didn't want the introduction in there, they should have realized that before they spent the money on sets and digital effects that they had to cram in there some appropriate way.

And in a way, as nauseating as it sounds, I see Fox's reasoning for not wanting the introduction. The whole idea does not advance the plot of the characters and you could show David being evil without a flashback sequence awkwardly lacerated from the beginning in later. It seems like they, this is just me speculating I have no idea, but Fox rushed the production forward because they needed the Prometheus sequel soon while people still cared, but they needed more time to flesh things out. The result, is Fox's fault in this scenario (as happens to be the case most of the time), and they realized once it was coming together someone had to tell the Elder Engineer himself, Rupert Murdoch "oh f**k m8 what have we done"


Trying to piece this all together is like trying to build a man out of dirt.

0321recon

Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2018, 07:58:57 PM
It's so bizarre how different the older draft is, but has details that aren't in the later draft...that explain the reasoning for building sets and shooting footage (maybe not that far?) and then in a rush to the finish don't know what to do with what was left over from the previous draft you built sets for and spent money on.

The introduction must have cost quite a lot at least. Now we don't get to see it. The shower set was built not only for Ricks and Upworth, but for a communal shower scene after the solar burst as well. Whether or not they filmed it, I don't know. They went so cut crazy that they cut shots from promotional material that never even appeared in the movie. At no point in any promotional material, or in the film, does the Covenant catch fire. And yet they filmed it for a promotion, and made the set up, and never used it.

They seemingly shot from a hybrid version of various drafts mushed together with ideas from the crew thrown in, so it's impossible at this point to tell what was shot and what wasn't aside from the full Introduction with Noomi Rapace. And I remember, after a point she refused to talk about it.

So it just seems like they slipped on a banana peel and rushed the movie together before it was fully ready to go on digital and celluloid, and the result is, a competent, if not confused film from a confused production.

That's just how it looks like to me. I know I keep harping on this but if they really built a shower set for two scenes, one that establishes there even being a shower, and they omitted that from filming, so it just looks like they wanted a random shower scene. That's not only a waste of production, but a bit of an insult to the audience you'd get rid of one but keep the other that suddenly appears and doesn't quite make much sense. I'm not being a prude, I'm just considering that, how many sets did they build that they wanted to shoot longer on. But didn't.

The editing of this movie from the bottom up is just kind of a mess.  I don't hate the film, but I will criticize it for what it did wrong.

And in my opinion? This all seems like they jumped the gun and started production before they were fully ready to make sense of the script's ideas and fully flesh them out, and might have even made drafts while filming began. Who knows what was tossed out, what was replaced, what was deleted vs what was omitted. I could be wrong. But that's just what it looks like if you piece everything together, one draft having things filmed but deleted vs a later draft having those deleted scenes entirely omitted. That's the tell tale sign of, a blunder of some kind of magnitude.

I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm just thinking out loud putting the pieces together.

Oh well.

https://media.giphy.com/media/YuIUcPfIv67GU/giphy.gif


If Fox REALLY, REALLY, didn't want the introduction in there, they should have realized that before they spent the money on sets and digital effects that they had to cram in there some appropriate way.

And in a way, as nauseating as it sounds, I see Fox's reasoning for not wanting the introduction. The whole idea does not advance the plot of the characters and you could show David being evil without a flashback sequence awkwardly lacerated from the beginning in later. It seems like they, this is just me speculating I have no idea, but Fox rushed the production forward because they needed the Prometheus sequel soon while people still cared, but they needed more time to flesh things out. The result, is Fox's fault in this scenario (as happens to be the case most of the time), and they realized once it was coming together someone had to tell the Elder Engineer himself, Rupert Murdoch "oh f**k m8 what have we done"


Trying to piece this all together is like trying to build a man out of dirt.

It does have that whiff of Alien3 all over again. Especially with using ideas such as the backburster and pores which were originally from the Gibson script. Many have joked that Alien 3 had so many unused scripts that any films after it have been cannibalized from them. I feel this was the case with Covenant.

SM

SM

#128
QuoteAt no point in any promotional material, or in the film, does the Covenant catch fire. And yet they filmed it for a promotion, and made the set up, and never used it.

If you're referring to the above picture are you sure it's not just a light?

QuoteThat's just how it looks like to me. I know I keep harping on this but if they really built a shower set for two scenes, one that establishes there even being a shower, and they omitted that from filming, so it just looks like they wanted a random shower scene. That's not only a waste of production, but a bit of an insult to the audience you'd get rid of one but keep the other that suddenly appears and doesn't quite make much sense. I'm not being a prude, I'm just considering that, how many sets did they build that they wanted to shoot longer on. But didn't.

This argument seems a little silly.  In Alien they shot one scene in the hypersleep vault.  In Aliens they shot the Derelict exterior with the tractor and cut the whole scene.  Ditto the abbatoir in Alien 3.  Ditto the gunpod intro for Resurrection.  It's not insulting the audience - it's just part of making a movie.

QuoteIf Fox REALLY, REALLY, didn't want the introduction in there, they should have realized that before they spent the money on sets and digital effects that they had to cram in there some appropriate way.

Again, do you know "Fox REALLY, REALLY didn't want the introduction"?

Highland

Highland

#129
I think only the last act seems rushed, the pace of the movie is pretty much bang on both Alien and Aliens in terms of structure, if you run both Alien and Covenant together from the credits (exclude the David bit) the infection and burst is really close in timing.

It's not until David pulls Oram aside then it just accelerates at lung bursting choppy pace without actually being exciting. 

SM

I'm 70 pages into the new draft and I've not encountered anything yet that I've thought 'I really wish they didn't cut this'.  David's musings about the Engineers and their relationship with humans and synthetics was interesting but not really vital.

NetworkATTH

NetworkATTH

#131
Quote from: SM on Mar 08, 2018, 10:50:58 PM
QuoteAt no point in any promotional material, or in the film, does the Covenant catch fire. And yet they filmed it for a promotion, and made the set up, and never used it.

If you're referring to the above picture are you sure it's not just a light?

It could be a publicity shot, I mean they lead a lot of misleading publicity material about what the film might be about, which I could see why, they didn't want people to figure things out but.

In this script, we have confirmation from Hicks they filmed, via the script the roof of the Juggernaut's Pilot Chair Observatory filters in all sorts of star light. Like an ambient blue light.

That...looks about as close to that description than any. Maybe the publicity shot was motivated? Really I'm not sure. A lot of this makes some sense, and some of it makes no sense.

I'm definitely leaning towards it's a publicity shot of the introduction we never got that was cleansed however.

QuoteThat's just how it looks like to me. I know I keep harping on this but if they really built a shower set for two scenes, one that establishes there even being a shower, and they omitted that from filming, so it just looks like they wanted a random shower scene. That's not only a waste of production, but a bit of an insult to the audience you'd get rid of one but keep the other that suddenly appears and doesn't quite make much sense. I'm not being a prude, I'm just considering that, how many sets did they build that they wanted to shoot longer on. But didn't.

QuoteThis argument seems a little silly.  In Alien they shot one scene in the hypersleep vault.  In Aliens they shot the Derelict exterior with the tractor and cut the whole scene.  Ditto the abbatoir in Alien 3.  Ditto the gunpod intro for Resurrection.  It's not insulting the audience - it's just part of making a movie.

That's not really my point. My point is they rushed into production by building sets meant for an earlier draft,  and then the cutting of the drafts between start getting screwy. See the introduction from this draft that was filmed, but ultimately cut from the next script and out of the movie. It seems like we're missing drafts between time. It feels like they kept adding in ideas and then taking them out, adding then taking them out. Sure that's movie making, but this late in production? They should have planned everything out step by step, beat by beat. There's room for change, but there was so much change on the cutting room floor amidst this seeming rush that they ended up cutting too much, or making unwise pacing decisions.

Every Alien film needs not be a replication of its previous. It's why I adore Alien 3's Assembly Cut. However, I understand the flaws of that picture as well.

To me, it seems less of a fault of the production and more of a fault of the heads at Fox trying their best to ship a sequel before the gains they could make from a sequel to Prometheus went out. Which is understandable. But it's clear that they didn't have enough time, and a lot of these scripts are VERY conceptual. More about ideas for scenes and how they may play out. Add to that the confusion of why they filmed a scene from an older draft...it just seems like they were rushed too hard and that effected a lot of the decisions made in the film.

I like the film. I just think it should not have aimed to play as safe as it did. There's not a lot of memorable shots in Alien Covenant besides the blood bursters and the necropolis.

QuoteIf Fox REALLY, REALLY, didn't want the introduction in there, they should have realized that before they spent the money on sets and digital effects that they had to cram in there some appropriate way.

QuoteAgain, do you know "Fox REALLY, REALLY didn't want the introduction"?
Yeah, they wanted it cut and fought for even the bombing to be excised from the film itself as a flash back. The placing makes...not a whole lot of sense. It went from introduction to recollection and flashback, to heavily cut down version of it. And it was probably a large chunk of money they spent on building the Juggernaut set practical that we just barely see aside from the remnants they released in "Prologue: The Crossing".

I agree with Fox, but they should have stepped in sooner and said "No, we can't spend that much on this set, it doesn't make much narrative sense,  is somewhat gratuitous, and does not connect to the protagonists at all". You can establish this by showing, not telling through flashback, of David's actions. Show the ramifications, we don't need to see the way it happened.

Quote from: SM on Mar 08, 2018, 11:57:24 PM
I'm 70 pages into the new draft and I've not encountered anything yet that I've thought 'I really wish they didn't cut this'.  David's musings about the Engineers and their relationship with humans and synthetics was interesting but not really vital.
Don't get me wrong I think the final shooting script, in whatever form it was, was superior then this one.

However there are definitely scenes that they omitted they should have kept.

The introductory talking about the disaster remains mostly intact, however, the shower scene and extra padding would have been valuable to keep the audience attached to the characters. You can say the dialogue is corny, but the point is moot because a lot of the dialogue from this, seemingly rough-around-the-edges draft was improved later. Add to filming things from this version, but omitting it out later, it's just kind of a mess to be honest. It would have been a great way to introduce some of the side characters we barely see before things go to shit fairly quickly. It was needed time. The characters felt rushed through to the point the poor back burster bloke's entire personality is "I smoked and stepped on the spore"

Another crucial example that would have been a great set piece, Engineer bodies in whatever "jockey suits", in the hundreds surrounding the port side of the crashed Juggernaut that have been ripped open, with these people having no clue what the f**k they are and getting frightened by it.

That should have been in the film, there's no real reason why they would set down, see an alien space ship, and not freak out. I mean it was a mild reaction in Alien, but the depth was still there in the "Yes....I've never seen anything like it" by Ash. Here it just seems like "Welp, first time I've seen something like this, a person was in it, what a spoof and a goof, alright folks let's leave the set piece, that sure was weird". Now to be fair, you do get a milder version of that "Just what the hell happened here" reaction in the Necropolis, but even that was cut down. A lot of needed time with the characters was cut down, and that makes the audience lose the ability to sympathize with their deaths. You needed, on top of the derelict's reaction to the crew, thematically, them realizing the magnitude of just how much they f**ked up by seeing a hillside covered in black urns and "seemingly" alien bodies (suits) ripped to shreds from the inside out. Add that together with the Necropolis...the whole Paradise Lost angle becomes a lot more visually representative. And it gives the audience time to be in the character's shoes of suddenly being put in the worst imaginable situation.

Next, they were floating around the idea of Karine getting a neomorph burster in her....which makes sense. One of the things that perplexed me the most is that for such an easy way to contaminate yourself, with these pods all over the place, that more people didn't get infected, when one guy just managed the mistake of stepping on one, nearly exactly where Karine was. It seems like they either wanted to elaborate on this later, or this is remnants from a previous draft. Admittedly, the infection is far more muddled in this draft, later they did refine it by adding pods. The fact there were only two Neomorphs (not three) while Karine was within the area to accidentally disrupt a spore, while she was probing the environment. That just kind of screwed with my suspension of disbelief. The fact is they spent so long designing the damn things, and we only get a real good scene of two in the final cut. Add two to the mix in the lander, you could understand why Faris blew up the ship easier. Trying to shoot both at the same time. ]Even more tense with the moth burster occurring not too long after. But this script still only mentions one, when Karine was also infected. I don't know.

So with that in mind, the audience, with a refined idea to the draft, would have seen a hillside covered in dead engineers in their suits, with a crew freaking out about it. Suddenly, three people in the crew get violently ill. They realize, what have we done, a bit more than in the final. One is even carrying the other violently ill person into the lander, both puking blood. They both start hatching and there's nothing Faris can do. It follows as the film does, only she has to deal with two blood bursters, as hinted in the script. She f**ks up trying to shoot both and accidentally hits a gas tank (this makes more sense). One more blood burster erupts. They have three neomorphs now. With the characters realizing, shit any of us could get infected, where did they go. Enter David, they get into the Necropolis, and it's just charred black bodies everywhere they needed to focus on more to get an extra dose of gravity to the situation.

Think of it this way. The whole, "Do you hear that, nothing. No birds, no animals, nothing" would have a lot more weight in the subsequent discovery of hundreds of Jockey bodies everywhere around the derelict with Urns surrounding them.

That just seems like a better way to introduce things. They should have refined these ideas

The introduction with David and Shaw, flash back or beginning, shouldn't have been filmed, in all honesty, and was a waste of man hours and money in my opinion. They could have spent it anywhere else. I'm not saying the pacing is rushed, but the production itself. How they handled it, how Noomi didn't want to talk about it. How it wasn't in the later draft we have, but in this earlier version they filmed. It smells fishy. There was a lot cut they should have left in, and a lot left in they should have left out. It seems just from the cutting process, that they made wild snips that were detrimental to the overall project. You need a nice equal balance to get the audience to understand the situation and the plot. Alien Covenant, for as much as I like it in many respects, did not do that.

I don't like a majority of this draft, it is very rough. But off the top of my head, these additions should have survived the cut. Keeping things at a rapid pace might endanger the overall integrity of what the emotions the narrative wants to give the audience.

I'll say that as an ardent defender of where Ridley is going with the series, I enjoy it. I think it's fascinating, if misguided in film and editing, way of making the setting closer to home as long as I'm watching the fan edits. I like the film, I do not hate it. I'm just saying, with this new information, my opinion is they should have kept some of the scenes and improved the dialogue like they did later, they should have refined it. These seem like nitpicks but, I don't know, it felt like with Covenant I got what they were going for, but they were missing crucial bits to hammer home the horror of the situation they're in. Let the audience accumulate to it. If they really wanted Aliens, they should have shown the consequences in all their brutality. Without it, you feel what they were trying to convey to the audience, but without more, it feels like they cut short

SM

QuoteIt could be a publicity shot, I mean they lead a lot of misleading publicity material about what the film might be about, which I could see why, they didn't want people to figure things out but.

It was a publicity shot.  There's no context other than it appears it was part of the final sequence of Danny and T tracking the Alien.

QuoteSure that's movie making, but this late in production?  They should have planned everything out step by step, beat by beat.

Ridley recast Spacey in All the Money in the World 6 weeks from release.

Is there evidence Fox and Scott built sets they didn't use, or films reels of stuff they didn't use?  They DO plan stuff out, but things change as you go along.  There's very little to suggest there were wholesale changes made during production.  The August 19 draft is very similar to the final film (extra shenanigans on the Covenant with planetary force fields aside), as is the October draft, and they started shooting in April 2016 in NZ.

QuoteI agree with Fox, but they should have stepped in sooner and said "No, we can't spend that much on this set, it doesn't make much narrative sense,  is somewhat gratuitous, and does not connect to the protagonists at all". You can establish this by showing, not telling through flashback, of David's actions. Show the ramifications, we don't need to see the way it happened.

And sacrifice one of the most striking scenes in the film?  I think you've distorted the 'Show, don't tell' rule there, too.  They DO show.  The alternative is David telling Walter what happened.

Baron Von Marlon

Quote from: SM on Mar 08, 2018, 11:57:24 PM
I'm 70 pages into the new draft and I've not encountered anything yet that I've thought 'I really wish they didn't cut this'.  David's musings about the Engineers and their relationship with humans and synthetics was interesting but not really vital.

Not even David's gallery? I think that would've been beautiful. With the wind blowing and all.
Now it's mashed together with his lab.
And the orrery. I loved the orrery in Prometheus. So a different one would've been nice.

NetworkATTH

Quote from: SM on Mar 09, 2018, 03:55:49 AM
QuoteI agree with Fox, but they should have stepped in sooner and said "No, we can't spend that much on this set, it doesn't make much narrative sense,  is somewhat gratuitous, and does not connect to the protagonists at all". You can establish this by showing, not telling through flashback, of David's actions. Show the ramifications, we don't need to see the way it happened.

And sacrifice one of the most striking scenes in the film?  I think you've distorted the 'Show, don't tell' rule there, too.  They DO show.  The alternative is David telling Walter what happened.

I think the Alternative is not overplaying your hand, and letting the horror sink in that everything is dead because of David. Leave the genocide to your own imagination, horror is better not shown. Though I agree it was striking. But it seemed a bit, I don't know, it would have been more effective in my own opinion if David didn't over explain and just simply said "I killed them all, nothing more nothing less". The fact is that there should have been more striking visuals with the concepts they were working with. I also think the Necropolis is an even more striking visual, they just cut most of the travel through it out.

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