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The official Prometheus website, Weylandindustries.com, has been updated with several new sections and some very cool pictures of vehicles, space suits, futuristic buildings and more. There’s a couple of very ‘familiar’  security items in there as well. The new sections include security, electronics, terraforming, energy, transportation and health. The quality of the art is very good. Make sure to check them out below:

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WOOT.

Cheers for the heads up :)

There's even a VERY familiar piece of machinery in the "Security" section:

https://www.weylandindustries.com/security (https://www.weylandindustries.com/security)

Nice!

Nicee 8)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg233.imageshack.us%2Fimg233%2F6121%2Fpowerloader.jpg&hash=df3c4224019faa50652f89f8ecc905f3f539bba0)

all the products line are open.

I sense some similarity between the bioreplicator pod and the ampules.

Quote from: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
Nicee 8)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6121/powerloader.jpg

I know, I know. f**k YES.

The Weyland Storm Rifle is a goddamn Pulse Rifle!!!!  Albeit a predecessor, but I am totally geeking out over this.  Now, do we get that awesome sound effect?

Quote from: Promethean Fire on Apr 26, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
The Weyland Storm Rifle is a goddamn Pulse Rifle!!!!  Albeit a predecessor, but I am totally geeking out over this.  Now, do we get that awesome sound effect?

Beat me too it haha. And it is very much like the Pulse Rifle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: Stannis Baratheon on Apr 26, 2012, 09:41:10 PM

Quote from: Promethean Fire on Apr 26, 2012, 09:39:47 PM
The Weyland Storm Rifle is a goddamn Pulse Rifle!!!!  Albeit a predecessor, but I am totally geeking out over this.  Now, do we get that awesome sound effect?

Beat me too it haha. And it is very much like the Pulse Rifle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope the Mercs are packing this baby in the movie and its not just made up for the viral stuff.

Quote from: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
Nicee 8)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6121/powerloader.jpg

Wow! I never imagined they'd make such a direct reference. Absolutely love it  :D

I know this is silly, but in the realm of canon, I wish they'd thought up of a more pre-Aliens look to the atmospheric processor or rifle.  Hard to believe the AP is identical after 80 years. 

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Apr 26, 2012, 09:52:19 PM
I know this is silly, but in the realm of canon, I wish they'd thought up of a more pre-Aliens look to the atmospheric processor or rifle.  Hard to believe the AP is identical after 80 years.

me too. Would be cool if theres a pic with diverse machinery and we just notice the power loader in between.

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Pulse rifle with a barrel on it.

"Fabricated from heat-resistant micro-perforated titanium, the Storm weighs 1.3kgs (empty of ammunition). With unrivaled technology like satellite-guided target detection, the Storm can track and assess a threat at over 300 miles away."

Now I'm no firearms expert, but that just sounds absolutely ridiculous.

QuoteWeyland's energy sector products power billions of homes, schools and businesses on Earth and its 63 colonies

QuoteThe Weyland process of terraforming is uniquely successful. We explore each new planet discovered in the habitable zone of distant stars. Thousands of Weyland engineers and scientists are then dispatched to the newly discovered solar system. After setting up a temporary base, the planetary engineers spend months exhaustively testing the seismic stability, core layer densities and the soundness of the planet's ionosphere, noting weather patterns and pressure fluctuations.

If the conditions are favorable in most respects, Weyland employees claim a new territory in the name of the company, and only then begin constructing an Atmosphere Processor to initiate terraforming. The total process can take anywhere from 5 to 20 years depending on conditions

so by 2080-2090 earth has managed to colonize 63 planets. and for each colony to be established it takes 5 to 20 years. that means colonizing has started at least 20 years prior to the date of the movie.

i really hate the timeline. they could have made it more grounded in reality. i can't even imagine the resources needed to colonize 60 planets, the money, the man power, how hard would be to build those giant terraforming stations. and all by a private company. this is wishfull thinking at best

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Apr 26, 2012, 09:52:19 PM
I know this is silly, but in the realm of canon, I wish they'd thought up of a more pre-Aliens look to the atmospheric processor or rifle.  Hard to believe the AP is identical after 80 years.

I understand what you mean re the AP, but a chimney is a chimney. What's inside it may be completely different even though it looks the same.

At one moment, the forum is full of hate for.. whatever. In other moment, with one piece of viral, it's full of jizz..

LOL.

Funny :)

It's a bipolar balance here. People don't know what they want so they'll hate on one thing and speculate and theorize the shit out of another.

Quote from: Virgil_uk on Apr 26, 2012, 10:09:47 PM
"Fabricated from heat-resistant micro-perforated titanium, the Storm weighs 1.3kgs (empty of ammunition). With unrivaled technology like satellite-guided target detection, the Storm can track and assess a threat at over 300 miles away."

Now I'm no firearms expert, but that just sounds absolutely ridiculous.

Realistically speaking, if the weapon is using a satellite to track its target, that seems like it's quite feasible.

On the other hand, it does seem pretty ridiculous for a single rifle to have such capabilities. I hope they have a couple of them on board the Prometheus :)

Maybe they will launch a satellite to orbit the planet before the land? Otherwise, that feature will be worthless once they leave Earth.

Quote from: bioweapon on Apr 26, 2012, 09:55:35 PM

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Apr 26, 2012, 09:52:19 PM
I know this is silly, but in the realm of canon, I wish they'd thought up of a more pre-Aliens look to the atmospheric processor or rifle.  Hard to believe the AP is identical after 80 years.

me too. Would be cool if theres a pic with diverse machinery and we just notice the power loader in between.

Same here.  I always thought the AP was new to ALIENS, even though it had been around a number of years Ripley doesn't recognise it, the only thing it doesn't say is wether the AP is completely automated. Plus Burke confirms that W/Y now manufactures them, yet these new Weyland updates suggest the AP and the Pressurizer, which I assume is part of the product, were around 80 years before the fact. As for the Powerloader, I always got the impression Ripley was familair with that anyway, so I wouldn't expect it to change all that much, while the Storm Rifle is a nice touch that could certainly pass for an earlier version of the Pulse Rifle, just slightly miffed by the rediculous 'satellite-guided target detection' thing.  I doubt much of this will show in the film, but all in all, I can't help thinking what we're really seeing here is a brand new take on everything, the Weyland timeline making even less sense than it did to start with as Ridley is just doing whatever he wants to, but lets face it, we've seen evidence of that from the word go anyhow.

It seems that Prometheus is making Weyland Industries more of a conglomerate that manufactures a wide variety of products, almost like OCP from Robocop or Massive Dynamic from Fringe. I think in Aliens and Alien 3, there was more of an implication that it's a cyberpunk, corporate warfare society and Weyland-Yutani is merely one of many corporations all trying to get an edge up on the others, hence Ash being a Hyperdyne model android and the idea that perhaps a different corporation manufactures the atmosphere processor.

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 26, 2012, 11:44:57 PMPlus Burke confirms that W/Y now manufactures them

I think the exact line is 'we manufacture those, by the way', nothing about for how long or whether it is a new thing to the company. I agree however that it is odd that Ripley and the marines don't know what it is, considering that it is presented in the viral material as being so commonplace for a long time. Chalk it down to exposition - you gotta get it in there somehow I guess.

I think Ripley's words were 'Well I can drive that loader' hinting at the idea that they've been around a LONG time?

Plus very little, if any, of the website info is canon I'd imagine.  Probably just promotional stuff.

Quote from: Opiate on Apr 27, 2012, 12:01:14 AM
Plus very little, if any, of the website info is canon I'd imagine.  Probably just promotional stuff.

Here we stumble across the very definition of E.U. (Expanded Universe)

The viral website/videos are expanding upon the universe within the movie.

:D ;D ;)

Fox Corporate is expanding upon the Universe via a viral marketing website. If this isn't Canon, then nothing is.

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 12:02:51 AM

Quote from: Opiate on Apr 27, 2012, 12:01:14 AM
Plus very little, if any, of the website info is canon I'd imagine.  Probably just promotional stuff.

Here we stumble across the very definition of E.U. (Expanded Universe)

The viral website/videos are expanding upon the universe within the movie.

:D ;D ;)

So the folks hired to write the contents and/or build the website are adding to the EU now?  I mean come on, we have the right to pick and choose.  This just seems hokey.  Let's throw an EU Christmas special in there while we're at it, lol.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 27, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Fox Corporate is expanding upon the Universe via a viral marketing website. If this isn't Canon, then nothing is.

On a more serious note, I agree with you. These "extras" are canon, basically. It has to fit in some way, otherwise they would just be screwing things up.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 26, 2012, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 26, 2012, 11:44:57 PMPlus Burke confirms that W/Y now manufactures them

I think the exact line is 'we manufacture those, by the way', nothing about for how long or whether it is a new thing to the company. I agree however that it is odd that Ripley and the marines don't know what it is, considering that it is presented in the viral material as being so commonplace for a long time. Chalk it down to exposition - you gotta get it in there somehow I guess.

I think that's really my only "problem" with the new stuff on the website, dropping the atmosphere processor in in 'Prometheus' doesn't jive well with 'Aliens' where the AP station was supposed to be unfamiliar for Ripley. I mean it's not completely irreconcilable - maybe Burke was just being a corporate shill and doing the typical "pre-written salesman pitch" thing on reflex or something.

Like yeah it's meant to be exposition for Ripley (and by proxy, for the audience) but that still establishes some things about the universe and what the characters are familiar with. The Weyland website kind of derails that just so it can have some cute (but otherwise unnecessary) fan-service.
The proto-pulse rifle? That's pretty neat because it actually seems like a precursor to the pulse rifle we know, sorta. The power loader is kind of "eh" because it doesn't look any different, but it still sorta makes sense. The atmosphere processor is just fan-service for its own sake just so people who saw 'Aliens' can say "haw haw it's an atmosphere processor! :D" even though it doesn't make as much sense when you stop and think about it.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 27, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Fox Corporate is expanding upon the Universe via a viral marketing website. If this isn't Canon, then nothing is.

Frankly I've got no problem taking the website stuff as canon, but I'm an EU fanboy anyway. ;D

Quote from: Opiate on Apr 27, 2012, 12:07:32 AM

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 12:02:51 AM

Quote from: Opiate on Apr 27, 2012, 12:01:14 AM
Plus very little, if any, of the website info is canon I'd imagine.  Probably just promotional stuff.

Here we stumble across the very definition of E.U. (Expanded Universe)

The viral website/videos are expanding upon the universe within the movie.

:D ;D ;)

So the folks hired to write the contents and/or build the website are adding to the EU now?  I mean come on, we have the right to pick and choose.  This just seems hokey.  Let's throw an EU Christmas special in there while we're at it, lol.

That's pretty much how it works with any "EU" - the license holders hire people to write stuff, be it a video game, comic book, website, whatever. This isn't new territory, and FOX has been doing it with the Alien franchise for decades now.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2012, 12:09:28 AM

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 26, 2012, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 26, 2012, 11:44:57 PMPlus Burke confirms that W/Y now manufactures them

I think the exact line is 'we manufacture those, by the way', nothing about for how long or whether it is a new thing to the company. I agree however that it is odd that Ripley and the marines don't know what it is, considering that it is presented in the viral material as being so commonplace for a long time. Chalk it down to exposition - you gotta get it in there somehow I guess.

I think that's really my only "problem" with the new stuff on the website, dropping the atmosphere processor in in 'Prometheus' doesn't jive well with 'Aliens' where the AP station was supposed to be unfamiliar for Ripley. I mean it's not completely irreconcilable - maybe Burke was just being a corporate shill and doing the typical "pre-written salesman pitch" thing on reflex or something.

Like yeah it's meant to be exposition for Ripley (and by proxy, for the audience) but that still establishes some things about the universe and what the characters are familiar with. The Weyland website kind of derails that just so it can have some cute (but otherwise unnecessary) fan-service.
The proto-pulse rifle? That's pretty neat because it actually seems like a precursor to the pulse rifle we know, sorta. The power loader is kind of "eh" because it doesn't look any different, but it still sorta makes sense. The atmosphere processor is just fan-service for its own sake just so people who saw 'Aliens' can say "haw haw it's an atmosphere processor! :D" even though it doesn't make as much sense when you stop and think about it.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 27, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Fox Corporate is expanding upon the Universe via a viral marketing website. If this isn't Canon, then nothing is.

Frankly I've got no problem taking the website stuff as canon, but I'm an EU fanboy anyway. ;D

Quote from: Opiate on Apr 27, 2012, 12:07:32 AM

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 12:02:51 AM

Quote from: Opiate on Apr 27, 2012, 12:01:14 AM
Plus very little, if any, of the website info is canon I'd imagine.  Probably just promotional stuff.

Here we stumble across the very definition of E.U. (Expanded Universe)

The viral website/videos are expanding upon the universe within the movie.

:D ;D ;)

So the folks hired to write the contents and/or build the website are adding to the EU now?  I mean come on, we have the right to pick and choose.  This just seems hokey.  Let's throw an EU Christmas special in there while we're at it, lol.

That's pretty much how it works with any "EU" - the license holders hire people to write stuff, be it a video game, comic book, website, whatever. This isn't new territory, and FOX has been doing it with the Alien franchise for decades now.

I guess if eating it all up helps you sleep at night  :P  I'm just sayin'...  you have a choice whether to buy into it or not.

Edit:  I'll admit though - the picture of the loader in the less familiar Prometheus setting was pretty cool, though I would have liked to see an older looking model.

Well yeah, everyone does, and I choose to buy into it. :) No one is saying you have to.

Paradoxically, "canon" is both the most AND least important aspect of a franchise. For some people it's vitally important, and shapes their enjoyment of it because they use it to decide what is "truth" (and ultimately whether they like the franchise and the directions it's taking). For others it's irrelevant - if the "Aliens Holiday Special" is Officially 100% Totally True Canon Forever according to Fox, it doesn't actually matter because no one is forcing them to accept it. It's a multimedia fiction franchise meant for entertainment, you should take from it what you want to, not what someone else (corporate, fan, or otherwise) tells you to.
I've known people who disliked what happened to the Alien series when 'Aliens' came out, so they only considered the first movie to be "canon". More power to them! If that's what makes them happy, then thumbs up.

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 26, 2012, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 26, 2012, 11:44:57 PMPlus Burke confirms that W/Y now manufactures them

I think the exact line is 'we manufacture those, by the way', nothing about for how long or whether it is a new thing to the company. I agree however that it is odd that Ripley and the marines don't know what it is, considering that it is presented in the viral material as being so commonplace for a long time. Chalk it down to exposition - you gotta get it in there somehow I guess.

The damning line is this:

                                   BURKE
                    Well, the corporation co-financed
                    that colony with the Colonial
                    Administration, against mineral
                    rights.  We're getting into a lot
                         of terraforming...'Building Better
                    Worlds.'

I think they could have fixed the whole thing if the website denoted that the atmosphere processor stuff was theoretical tech or something.

"we're getting into a lot of terraforming" could be taken as if they were only experimenting with the devices for years, decades maybe, and now, they're rolling them out, taking them out of the concept phase maybe?

I was thinking along similar lines, maybe other terraforming efforts had been managed/financed by other companies, and "we're getting into a lot of terraforming" is meant to be solo-WY projects without collaboration.

Like I said, it's more likely that the website people just jumped the gun in an effort to have "clever" fan-service and didn't really think about what they were doing.

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Apr 27, 2012, 12:17:43 AM
"we're getting into a lot of terraforming" could be taken as if they were only experimenting with the devices for years, decades maybe, and now, they're rolling them out, taking them out of the concept phase maybe?

Only if you ignore the fact that planets have been terraformed by Weyland since the 2030s.  And they lead the way.

But now it took 100 years to move beyond "concept phase"?

Does the website say they were terraforming in the 2030s, or just doing colonies?

Maybe the "a lot" part means they were doing sporadic colonies, but by the time of 'Aliens' they were going totally bonkers with colonies all over the place.

I hope the Mercs are packing this baby in the movie and its not just made up for the viral stuff.
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I think it's safe to say anything on this page that is a cgi rendition is stuff dreamed up by the viral marketing team hired by fox to help get the fans excited for the movie. I think thinks that are obviously production photos (the medpod, the rover etc) are actually going to be in the film.

Quote from: SM on Apr 27, 2012, 12:14:25 AM

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 26, 2012, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 26, 2012, 11:44:57 PMPlus Burke confirms that W/Y now manufactures them

I think the exact line is 'we manufacture those, by the way', nothing about for how long or whether it is a new thing to the company. I agree however that it is odd that Ripley and the marines don't know what it is, considering that it is presented in the viral material as being so commonplace for a long time. Chalk it down to exposition - you gotta get it in there somehow I guess.

The damning line is this:

                                   BURKE
                    Well, the corporation co-financed
                    that colony with the Colonial
                    Administration, against mineral
                    rights.  We're getting into a lot
                         of terraforming...'Building Better
                    Worlds.'

To be honest, it was the "now" from this line that really bothered me...

The corporation co-financed that colony with the Colonial
Administration.  We're getting into a lot
of terraforming now...'Building Better Worlds.'...

....but we probably won't see it anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

What I want to know is why the Aliens pulse rifle doesn't have a sniper scope on it like the storm rifle; the two are clearly of similar design.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2012, 12:17:20 AM
I think they could have fixed the whole thing if the website denoted that the atmosphere processor stuff was theoretical tech or something.

...or better still "coming soon", like they did with the The IM 80 (Igneous/Metamorphic) Rock Processor. I mean no one has a problem with the idea terraforming, and it is made clear in ALIEN the crew were working off-world which is fine, guess I just imagined that place was something closer to Outland (Sean Connery, 1981) or something like that.   

Quote from: SM on Apr 27, 2012, 12:14:25 AM

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 26, 2012, 11:52:23 PM

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 26, 2012, 11:44:57 PMPlus Burke confirms that W/Y now manufactures them

I think the exact line is 'we manufacture those, by the way', nothing about for how long or whether it is a new thing to the company. I agree however that it is odd that Ripley and the marines don't know what it is, considering that it is presented in the viral material as being so commonplace for a long time. Chalk it down to exposition - you gotta get it in there somehow I guess.

The damning line is this: We're getting into a lot of terraforming...'Building Better Worlds.'

Ah, I see the problem now, thanks SM. How annoyingly daft to go to such lengths to tie the two together and then make such an obvious mistake. Hopefully the script writers don't blindly stumble into plot holes like these marketing clowns.

Remember how in Blade Runner, Bryant forces Deckard, the shit-hot Blade Runner, to take out those damn skinjobs, and then spends a scene telling the shit-hot, experienced Blade Runner what a replicant is, about their short life-spans etc?

Yeah, I won't be letting the atmosphere processor stuff get in the way on this one :D

Quote from: predxeno on Apr 27, 2012, 12:41:06 AM
What I want to know is why the Aliens pulse rifle doesn't have a sniper scope on it like the storm rifle; the two are clearly of similar design.

Just a conjecture...the specific pulse rifle depicted in Aliens is may be designed for "relatively" close quarters combat, in urban or even enclosed structural enviornments?  Perhaps the "storm rifle" is more appropriate for open, longer range combat?

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 27, 2012, 12:43:19 AM

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2012, 12:17:20 AM
I think they could have fixed the whole thing if the website denoted that the atmosphere processor stuff was theoretical tech or something.

...or better still "coming soon", like they did with the The IM 80 (Igneous/Metamorphic) Rock Processor. I mean no one has a problem with the idea terraforming, and it is made clear in ALIEN the crew were working off-world which is fine, guess I just imagined that place was something closer to Outland (Sean Connery, 1981) or something like that.   

It's not even that so much (although I had vague notions that Thedus looked a bit like Io in Outland too).  It's just Burke indicates that WY are only 'getting into' terraforming relatively recently.  Kinda flies in the face of the fact WI invented it 150 years earlier.

QuoteAh, I see the problem now, thanks SM. How annoyingly daft to go to such lengths to tie the two together and then make such an obvious mistake. Hopefully the script writers don't blindly stumble into plot holes like the marketing folk.

I thought they were really trying too hard when I first read the timeline and that hasn't changed.

QuoteRemember how in Blade Runner, Bryant forces Deckard, the shit-hot Blade Runner, to take out those damn skinjobs, and then spends a scene telling the shit-hot, experienced Blade Runner what a replicant is, about their short life-spans etc?

No.  I DO remember Bryant bringing Deckard up to speed on the new Nexus 6's he had to hunt.

I remember an obvious exposition scene.

Wasn't even mad.

If it imparts info that Deckard didn't know and needed to know (as well as the audience), then I'm not seeing the connection to whats being talked about here.

Quote from: Darkoo on Apr 26, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
Nicee 8)
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6121/powerloader.jpg

I hope it is going to be in the film! ;D

I don't.

The storm rifle has a sniper scope because it has a longer barrel and long range capabilities. The original ALIENS pulse rifle was for CQB as Deuterium mentioned. No need for a long barrel or scope. I see they also adjusted the design of the retractable stock and moved the location of the digital ammo counter. There are a few other minor cosmetic changes, as well.

I guess it's best to just ignore the viral stuff, which is a shame considering such obvious conflicts could of easily been avoided. All they had to do was ask a god-damned Aliens fan for crying out loud. It's understandable that there would be some contradictions or at least some aspects that might be viewed as contradictions, but that's a doozy right there.

Still, IMO it's not nearly as bad as the infinite flame-thrower, because that thing is actually in the new film.

Lol thanks for reminding me about the flamethrower that "mines the surrounding environment" for fuel. The people working on the website viral stuff would probably get shoved into a wall by Ridley if they met in person. (Sorry Cvalda! Or congratulations?)

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
Lol thanks for reminding me about the flamethrower that "mines the surrounding environment" for fuel. The people working on the website viral stuff would probably get shoved into a wall by Ridley if they met in person. (Sorry Cvalda! Or congratulations?)

I don't think so. All the things that are on this website will get some spotlight in the movie. this just gives some details about them. So i think Ridley gave his full blessings for the viral stuff

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 01:09:31 AMLol thanks for reminding me about the flamethrower that "mines the surrounding environment" for fuel.

Yeah sorry, I was trying to forget about it too. I should've secured that shit. ;D

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 27, 2012, 01:13:32 AM

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 01:09:31 AMLol thanks for reminding me about the flamethrower that "mines the surrounding environment" for fuel.

Yeah sorry, I was trying to forget about it too. I should've secured that shit. ;D

Lol  ;D your signature is awesome, btw. Mine is just some old quote. I need to step up my game.
8)

Quote from: zuzuki on Apr 27, 2012, 01:11:53 AM

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
Lol thanks for reminding me about the flamethrower that "mines the surrounding environment" for fuel. The people working on the website viral stuff would probably get shoved into a wall by Ridley if they met in person. (Sorry Cvalda! Or congratulations?)

I don't think so. All the things that are on this website will get some spotlight in the movie. this just gives some details about them. So i think Ridley gave his full blessings for the viral stuff

Did ridley give his blessings to the power loader and storm rifle?

Quote from: SM on Apr 27, 2012, 12:50:49 AM

Quote from: RoaryUK on Apr 27, 2012, 12:43:19 AM
I think they could have fixed the whole thing if the website denoted that the atmosphere processor stuff was theoretical tech or something.

...or better still "coming soon", like they did with the The IM 80 (Igneous/Metamorphic) Rock Processor. I mean no one has a problem with the idea terraforming, and it is made clear in ALIEN the crew were working off-world which is fine, guess I just imagined that place was something closer to Outland (Sean Connery, 1981) or something like that.   

QuoteIt's not even that so much (although I had vague notions that Thedus looked a bit like Io in Outland too).  It's just Burke indicates that WY are only 'getting into' terraforming relatively recently.  Kinda flies in the face of the fact WI invented it 150 years earlier.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just saying, why didn't they have the AP as coming soon rather than go into all these specifics, better still leave it out altogether if it won't be in the movie anyway. We know terraforming happens even in Ripley's time, but the AP is obviously something Cameron related to his film at that time, so why confuse things more with this awkward timeline, to me all this does is divert attention from the important thing which is the movie. . 

Quite.

Bit disappointing really.

Really the whole thing where Burke says they make atmos processors now could mean that before Weyland got another company to do that, like Verizon and the Davids, but since ALIEN happened, they're doing it alone.

The getting into terraforming can also be read that they're pushing that angle of the company more now, whilst dropping other things, basically seeing that they make the most money with the world-building and concentrating on that.

Also, as I have written before, for products like the flame-thrower, this is like Weyland's Golden Era, the ALIEN days with the W-Y merger shows a company 'not like it was when the old man was still running it' so to speak. Cheaper, crappier products are doled out for a quick and easy buck, the big W-Y money comes in from the 'Building Better Worlds'.

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
The people working on the website viral stuff would probably get shoved into a wall by Ridley if they met in person. (Sorry Cvalda! Or congratulations?)

:'( :'( :'(

:P

In other news...

Quote
SPECTAGRAPH
This next-generation device, used by Weyland geologists and engineers, surveys unknown planetary terrain in the pre-terraforming process. An omni-directional laser live-maps 3D topography and sends the detailed scanned images to the viewing platform. A new hyper-conducting spherical shell allows smooth, self-propelled flight in any atmosphere. Polymer film bio-sensors can detect airborne toxins and life forms down to 500 nanometers.

...I guess this maybe throws a wrench into the whole "the Company didn't find the Derelict on LV-426 cuz it was really, really cloudy!" thing. ;) :P

Depends on the range of them. I expect with time, a whole planet could be mapped out, but seems to me now that in ALIENS W-Y was hella negligent aslong as the bucks came pouring in.

Quote from: harlock on Apr 27, 2012, 02:06:36 AM
Depends on the range of them. I expect with time, a whole planet could be mapped out, but seems to me now that in ALIENS W-Y was hella negligent aslong as the bucks came pouring in.

Almost a hundred plus years after they've developed levitating, 3D terrain mapping devices that can function in any atmosphere--surely the tech would have even progressed exponentially beyond that by the time of ALIENS.

Quote from: zuzuki on Apr 26, 2012, 10:11:43 PM

QuoteWeyland's energy sector products power billions of homes, schools and businesses on Earth and its 63 colonies

QuoteThe Weyland process of terraforming is uniquely successful. We explore each new planet discovered in the habitable zone of distant stars. Thousands of Weyland engineers and scientists are then dispatched to the newly discovered solar system. After setting up a temporary base, the planetary engineers spend months exhaustively testing the seismic stability, core layer densities and the soundness of the planet's ionosphere, noting weather patterns and pressure fluctuations.

If the conditions are favorable in most respects, Weyland employees claim a new territory in the name of the company, and only then begin constructing an Atmosphere Processor to initiate terraforming. The total process can take anywhere from 5 to 20 years depending on conditions

so by 2080-2090 earth has managed to colonize 63 planets. and for each colony to be established it takes 5 to 20 years. that means colonizing has started at least 20 years prior to the date of the movie.

i really hate the timeline. they could have made it more grounded in reality. i can't even imagine the resources needed to colonize 60 planets, the money, the man power, how hard would be to build those giant terraforming stations. and all by a private company. this is wishfull thinking at best

Except they mention FTL. You know... faster then light. But that's really not all that fast. So, yeh, it sound ridiculous.

Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 27, 2012, 02:03:38 AM

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
The people working on the website viral stuff would probably get shoved into a wall by Ridley if they met in person. (Sorry Cvalda! Or congratulations?)

:'( :'( :'(

:P

I don't own a script, and I will probably never meet Ridley. But if somehow I do acquire a script, and I get to meet Ridley, and he agrees to sign it... I will make damn sure it says, "To Cvalda..." when he signs it.

Quote from: Predaker on Apr 27, 2012, 02:16:10 AM
I don't own a script, and I will probably never meet Ridley. But if somehow I do acquire a script, and I get to meet Ridley, and he agrees to sign it... I will make damn sure it says, "To Cvalda..." when he signs it.

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Great stuff... the atmosphere processor design as well. As far as the viral campaign goes, it's safe to say that Camerons Aliens is canon... I wonder if there will be a tiny nod somewhere in Prometheus from Scott to Cameron, in a sort of blink-and-you'll miss it fashion...

I'm all for linking Aliens and Prometheus together, it's just a shame that it has been done in such a sloppy way. When facts put forward in the viral material outright contradict exposition from the former film it makes you wonder whether they give a rats arse about what they are doing at all, or why they even bothered in the first place. Making this stuff fit is not so hard, and most - if not all - of the people here could of done a far, far better job of it. Why even bother paying fan service when you can't even be arsed enough to make it coherent?

Sure, it's just a viral, that's fine, but it is so mixed up in the setup of the new film that taking some aspects seriously and trying to ignore the rest is really hard to do.

Unused images from the designer's portfolio. Thanks to Seeasea for the link.

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Quote from: ChrisPachi on Apr 27, 2012, 08:52:59 AM
When facts put forward in the viral material outright contradict exposition from the former film

Except it's not.

the storm doesn't look like a pulse rifle... it IS a pulse rifle. same grip, same frame, same receiver, same heat shield, same magazine(that couldn't even FIT a 5.56), same grenade launcher. it's just a very lazily edited pulse rifle with a pad on the stock, a longer barrel and a really shitty looking scope. it doesn't have an antenna or anything close to something that could communicate with a satellite, as the pulse rifle didn't either. they should have put a proto-smartgun if they wanted to make all that tracking stuff make some sense at least.

the AP... i guess it would work if the one in the website said "coming soon" and it told us it's just a concept render, and by the time of aliens we could asume WY was just using old hardware because they're cheap bastards. but it doesn't. technology is that stangnant in the Aliens universe.

but the power loader is the worst of all. i mean, we have power loaders right now. they could have pasted an image of this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.i.com.com%2Fcnwk.1d%2Fi%2Ftim%2F%2F2009%2F12%2F23%2F1223_noco_StrengthRobot_480x360.jpg&hash=3b9a3ed20704507dffc75f5fa2bd922df94030ee)
and it would have worked better.

i'm dissapointed at how they prefered to give fan service to casuals than getting creative and show us neat new stuff.

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 27, 2012, 05:59:56 PM

Quote from: Deuterium on Apr 27, 2012, 05:58:38 PM
Woops...mods, can you move my previous reply over to the "Space Exploration" thread you started in General Discussion.  I posted this before I realized you had split the topic.

Thanks.

just copy it, delete it, and post it again.

Done.

Would the grenade launcher/underslung shotgun even be able to work with that long barrel directly overhead? That looks like it would cause problems...

shotguns aren't water sprinklers. even loads like birdshot don't spread more than a few centimeters at a maximum range, let alone right out of the muzzle.

Forgive my nubbery, but is thy why people saw the ends off them? To make the spread wider?

Quote from: Vulhala on Apr 27, 2012, 07:21:23 PM
Forgive my nubbery, but is thy why people saw the ends off them? To make the spread wider?

Yes I believe it does make it spread wider in a shorter distance. Mainly a sawed off is easier to conceal with a lot of close range firepower.

I wasn't sure whether it was more for portability. Or both. I know nothing about guns.

sawing off part of the barrel won't do much except reducing the amount of speed the rounds can reach a little(thus reducing how far they can go without losing trajectory) and making the muzzle flash into a flametrower. the pellets spread only because of the explosion of the gases at the muzzle.

Thanks. So really it serves no purpose other than to make it easier to conceal?

Curious: (I don't know anything about gun designs either)

- the inside of a gun barrel is in direct contact with the projectile, yes? So wouldn't a longer barrel reduce the speed of the projectile because of drag?

I assumed the necessity of a longer barrel, was about stabilizing the projectiles trajectory before it leaves the muzzle and thereby aiming for higher precision, not as much a higher projectile velocity...

Quote from: Vulhala on Apr 27, 2012, 07:52:29 PM
Thanks. So really it serves no purpose other than to make it easier to conceal?

one could say so, shotguns are usually smooth bore so there's no centrifuge force in the shot. but having a smaller length means you have a smaller magazine tube. that's why sawn off shotguns are only a good idea with cheap break actions.

Quote from: Eva on Apr 27, 2012, 08:03:31 PM
Curious: (I don't know anything about gun designs either)

- the inside of a gun barrel is in direct contact with the projectile, yes? So wouldn't a longer barrel reduce the speed of the projectile because of drag?

I assumed the necessity of a longer barrel, was about stabilizing the projectiles trajectory before it leaves the muzzle and thereby aiming for higher precision, not as much a higher projectile velocity...

the drag actually helps the projectile gain energy. the explosion pushes the round, which, being soft lead, seals it completely against the rifling that spins it(which is what really stabilizes it in flight), all the way down to the muzzle. the longer and tigher it is, the more of the energy will be transfered to the bullet instead of turning into a flame at the end. but it also depends if this barrel is solid enough to direct the bullet; if the barrel is long but too thin or weak it will vibrate and and send the rounds all over the place. that's why you don't see sniper rifles with 2m long barrels.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 27, 2012, 12:09:28 AM

I think that's really my only "problem" with the new stuff on the website, dropping the atmosphere processor in in 'Prometheus' doesn't jive well with 'Aliens' where the AP station was supposed to be unfamiliar for Ripley. I mean it's not completely irreconcilable - maybe Burke was just being a corporate shill and doing the typical "pre-written salesman pitch" thing on reflex or something.

yep that's a good spot. Ripley didn't seem to have ever seen atmosphere processors in any of those mining/colony wordls the Nostromo was assigned to.

In this particular case (only) I'd prefer to give preference to Cameron's lore since It was Cameron the one who invented/brought them to the franchise. I really thought Ripley was still floating in space when the first of these things was built and then used for the first time by the company

There could be more than one incongruences in the timeline posted in this web, and anything they touch that was first brought to the franchise by Cameron and not Scott should try to connect better with Vameron's lore.

Hope Camerons' queen is not in their plans too ;D

Thx chupacabras... I learned something new today then  :)

Now I seem to remember how in Die Hard, Karls rifle (the one he's seen assembling in the elevator, going upstairs to kick McClanes ass) has the clip behind the trigger, not in front of it. I assume then - based on what you are saying, that this design is about preserving the advantages of a longer rifle barrel, while reducing the total length of the rifle at the same time, making it lighter and more easy to handle.

It has an awesome design by the way...

Quote from: Eva on Apr 27, 2012, 08:03:31 PM
Curious: (I don't know anything about gun designs either)

- the inside of a gun barrel is in direct contact with the projectile, yes? So wouldn't a longer barrel reduce the speed of the projectile because of drag?

I assumed the necessity of a longer barrel, was about stabilizing the projectiles trajectory before it leaves the muzzle and thereby aiming for higher precision, not as much a higher projectile velocity...

Hi Eva,

Due to the expansion of the gases, the bullet generally accelerates along the full length of the barrel.  So, for a given bullet mass, and given propellent type/charge, the "muzzle velocity" of the bullet (initial velocity as it exits the muzzle) is largely a function of the barrel length.  Now, this is a bit of a generalization.  There are trade-offs to having too short a barrel, and too long a barrel...both in terms of ballistics, as well as to operational function, so the firearms designer tries to optimize the barrel length depending on the intended purpose of the firearm.

And yes, for a given projectile and cartridge, there is a limit point whereby the barrel would become too long, which would have a detrimental effect on the muzzle velocity.  This would occur when the friction between the bullet and the barrel, as well as air resistance, equals the continuously diminishing gas pressure behind the bullet...at which point the bullet would begin to deccelerate, before exiting the muzzle.

Quote from: Eva on Apr 27, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
Thx chupacabras... I learned something new today then  :)

Now I seem to remember how in Die Hard, Karls rifle (the one he's seen assembling in the elevator, going upstairs to kick McClanes ass) has the clip behind the trigger, not in front of it. I assume then - based on what you are saying, that this design is about preserving the advantages of a longer rifle barrel, while reducing the total length of the rifle at the same time, making it lighter and more easy to handle.

It has an awesome design by the way...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullpup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullpup)

Quote from: Firestorm on Apr 27, 2012, 08:32:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullpup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullpup)

Yes - I got it right it seems. Thx Firestorm & Deuterium  ;D

... and that wikipage has the rifle from Die Hard - just makes Karl more badass than he already was

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Sorry for going offtopic with this...

here's another exoskeleton, this one is in L'Uomo Vogue

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Is this stuff real? i mean this is a real direct connection to ALIENS.
Then everything from ALIENS is cannon.

Why wouldn't things from ALIENS be canon in the first place?

because butthurt purists.

and if you were wondering, the reason why almost no countries have adopted these seemingly advantageous designs as their infantry mainstay comes down to three factors: poor trigger performance, bad weight balance, and difficult reload/prone firing(the action is way too close to your face). the Aug is one of the better ones and still has these problems.

Quote from: Eva on Apr 27, 2012, 06:31:42 AM
Great stuff... the atmosphere processor design as well. As far as the viral campaign goes, it's safe to say that Camerons Aliens is canon... I wonder if there will be a tiny nod somewhere in Prometheus from Scott to Cameron, in a sort of blink-and-you'll miss it fashion...

The Weyland timeline also casually references 'Aliens' a few times (Colonial Marines, smartguns) and 'Alien3' (prison colonies).

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 27, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
because butthurt purists.

and if you were wondering, the reason why almost no countries have adopted these seemingly advantageous designs as their infantry mainstay comes down to three factors: poor trigger performance, bad weight balance, and difficult reload/prone firing(the action is way too close to your face). the Aug is one of the better ones and still has these problems.

No love for the Tavor, Chupa? :(

I really agree that is was very lazy of them to use the M41A Pulse Rifle design as a basis for the Storm Rifle. They should have used this (FN F2000) if they were so lazy:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fworld.guns.ru%2Fuserfiles%2Fimages%2Fassault%2Fas41%2Ffn_f2000_1.jpg&hash=73ed91018b6683e9cc22873f4dab0d5bd9044da0)

QuoteATV NR6

Two-person transport vehicle with 4-tread, track-belted wheels able to negotiate near-vertical terrain carrying small payload. With the NR6, Weyland planetary engineers are able to survey previously inaccessible areas of newly discovered proto-colonies. Vehicles reach top speeds of 88 mph in standard atmospheric pressure and gravitational pull. Variable-friction axes for front and rear wheels provide micro-torque gear adjustments for maximum safety and mobility across any foreign surface.

Hmm... Wonder if it has a Flux Capasitor...

A sketch by http://andrewburdin.com  (http://andrewburdin.com),
a designer at weylandindustries.com:
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http://instagr.am/p/JB2bScEHk6/ (http://instagr.am/p/JB2bScEHk6/)

Quote from: Infected on Apr 27, 2012, 09:39:37 PM
Is this stuff real? i mean this is a real direct connection to ALIENS.
Then everything from ALIENS is cannon.

The L'Uomo Vogue one is actually in the present issue and this man in the shot certainly isn't a fashion model.

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Apr 27, 2012, 09:41:41 PM
Why wouldn't things from ALIENS be canon in the first place?

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 27, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
because butthurt purists.

Surely the 'purists' are those who scream what is or is not canon.

...the rest of us don't give a crap.

Quote from: Glaive on Apr 28, 2012, 12:41:13 PM

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Apr 27, 2012, 09:41:41 PM
Why wouldn't things from ALIENS be canon in the first place?

Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 27, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
because butthurt purists.

Surely the 'purists' are those who scream what is or is not canon.

...the rest of us don't give a crap.

now you're getting it.