What if predator 2 was the first film of the franchise?

Started by nanison, Aug 16, 2022, 08:58:04 PM

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What if predator 2 was the first film of the franchise? (Read 3,609 times)

Kradan

@SiL, I have a question for you: what's Ripley's arc in Alien ?

SiL

SiL

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Quote from: Kradan on Aug 19, 2022, 01:56:02 PM@SiL, I have a question for you: what's Ripley's arc in Alien ?
Ripley goes from officious and by the book to realising the only hope they have is to say f**k the Company, abandon ship and pray.




Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 19, 2022, 12:41:02 PM
Quote from: SiL on Aug 19, 2022, 09:55:56 AMYeah the problem is you're meant to defeat it by escaping the destructive patterns it embodies, not doubling down on them.
Not necessarily. Theseus kills the Minotaur by using one of its own horns against it (Harrigan uses the disc)
The story of Theseus and the Minotaur is more than just how he slays it.

Cougerboy

Cougerboy

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I agree Harrigan as a character doesn't have much in the way of character development. He begins and end the movie pretty much the same person, albeit losing his subordinates along the way except for María Conchita Alonso's* character "Leona", thanks to the Predator sparing her due her pregnancy.

Another flaw to point out in the movie was the over-the-top non-stop swearing. Almost all the characters in the movie have to say "F*ck" or "Sh*t" every 5 second in the movie. Its like a teenager wrote those dialogue based on his idea of what hardened tough guys talk like. But rather than convey their toughness, the constant profanity makes all the characters sound a bit comical. I can't help but laugh out a loud when that elderly lady tells Harrigan that the Predator "doesn't give a sh*t". Reminds me of how Game of Thrones have to show sex and nudity on screen almost every 5 minutes per episode to maintain viewer attention (yes I know there were lots of sex and nudity in the novels, but the HBO adaptation sometimes do it way too much...still an overall good series worth watching except the last season).

Maybe it would have been written off as yet another excessively violent 80's movie if it was the the first Predator movie, a sort of less successful "Robocop" styled movie. But that's not the most important thing for me.

What really matters is that Predator 2 is a fun movie I enjoyed watching that also adds to the lore of the Predator franchise. It has a certain...how I should I say...wild energy characteristic of late 80's to early 90's action movies. I mean, its hard to imagine a mainstream Hollywood movie made today that has Jamician voodoo gangs, Colombian drug lords, alien hunter, dubious government agents from a secret agency, insane out-of-control cop and the late Morton Downey Jr. parodying his own "trash tv" persona as the in-your-face TV journalist Bill Pope. But Predator 2 had that all in one movie. ;D

*Speaking of María Conchita Alonso, for some reason whenever I watch her in Predator 2, it reminds me of her character in that 80's Arnie movie "The Running Man". Maybe its because she has a similar hair style in both movies.

Master

She has long hair in the running man. It's also one of my favorite.

Cougerboy

Cougerboy

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Quote from: Master on Aug 22, 2022, 11:24:04 AMShe has long hair in the running man. It's also one of my favorite.

Yeah you are right,  now that you mentioned it, she had longer hair in the "Running Man", but for some reason whenever I think of her character in Predator 2, I always connect with her other character in Running Man.

BigDaddyJohn

Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 22, 2022, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: Master on Aug 22, 2022, 11:24:04 AMShe has long hair in the running man. It's also one of my favorite.

Yeah you are right,  now that you mentioned it, she had longer hair in the "Running Man", but for some reason whenever I think of her character in Predator 2, I always connect with her other character in Running Man.

Arnold reminds you of predator. She's in the sequel, so not far fetched logic  ;)

Cougerboy

Cougerboy

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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 22, 2022, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: Cougerboy on Aug 22, 2022, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: Master on Aug 22, 2022, 11:24:04 AMShe has long hair in the running man. It's also one of my favorite.

Yeah you are right,  now that you mentioned it, she had longer hair in the "Running Man", but for some reason whenever I think of her character in Predator 2, I always connect with her other character in Running Man.

Arnold reminds you of predator. She's in the sequel, so not far fetched logic  ;)

And probably also the fact Alien's Yaphet Kotto was in it as well. Speaking of Arnie, funny, I tend to automatically think of Terminator or Conan the Barbarian first, even though of course my favorite Arnie film is Predator.

BigDaddyJohn

Damn I forgot the late Yaphet Kotto was in The Running Man.

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