It's a shame the movie was tarnished by the teenagers. Without them, you really see the acting effort and love put into the predators and aliens, the lore, etc.
And damn, Wolf is by far the most bad ass predator to date.
Does the redux remove all the bits where Wolf is about to die because of how useless he is only for the Aliens to be somehow more useless?
Is it a fan Edit?
Quote from: TheRenegadeMan on May 23, 2023, 12:08:16 AMIt's a shame the movie was tarnished by the teenagers. Without them, you really see the acting effort and love put into the predators and aliens, the lore, etc.
And damn, Wolf is by far the most bad ass predator to date.
Does it suddenly make the Alien designs good?
Does it make Wolf not a complete moron?
Absolute nonsense, it is rotten to the core, lore included. When people come out with stuff like this, it diminishes the credibility of the effect editing can have, but the material needs to be somewhat good in the first place.
No amount of clever editing can save the last Seasons of GoT, the Star Wars Prequels or Sequels, or indeed the AVP films up to now. Sometimes things just fundamentally are what they are.
It all comes down to the story and characters. If they're rotten, no amount of trimming away at the fat will leave you with anything good, just an ugly skeleton.
Quote from: TheRenegadeMan on May 23, 2023, 12:08:16 AMIt's a shame the movie was tarnished by the teenagers. Without them, you really see the acting effort and love put into the predators and aliens, the lore, etc.
And damn, Wolf is by far the most bad ass predator to date.
I'm more accepting of AvPR than most, and I find this hard to believe.
I also thought Ricky was one of the better performances in the movie.
A low bar to clear, but still.
Too bad about the... you know.
I chose my words careful but yeah :-X
I like it. You don't. Don't read my post then.
Your bold claim is going to make people read your post, and many will be dubious at best that anything can improve AvPR.
SiL and I both doubt in particular that removing the teens will be an improvement.
This is how forums work.
I still don't even know what the Redux is. Is it a fan edit?
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2023, 12:30:56 PMQuote from: TheRenegadeMan on May 23, 2023, 12:08:16 AMIt's a shame the movie was tarnished by the teenagers. Without them, you really see the acting effort and love put into the predators and aliens, the lore, etc.
And damn, Wolf is by far the most bad ass predator to date.
Does it suddenly make the Alien designs good?
Does it make Wolf not a complete moron?
Absolute nonsense, it is rotten to the core, lore included. When people come out with stuff like this, it diminishes the credibility of the effect editing can have, but the material needs to be somewhat good in the first place.
No amount of clever editing can save the last Seasons of GoT, the Star Wars Prequels or Sequels, or indeed the AVP films up to now. Sometimes things just fundamentally are what they are.
I never felt Wolf was moron. He takes out the power plant trying to kill the Predalien, which is most dangerious Xenomorph of all. He takes some how do I say.. uncessary risks, but he knows this creature is capable of wiping out the best of prey, humanity.
Regardless if people agree or disagree that the teens ruined AVPR...
Wolf is my favorite Predator to date. Regardless if he blew up a power plant? A moron though? No human is perfect either. But no human is going to even fathom getting frustrated fighting a damn PredAlien either!
Let's see a human hunter with the skill set Wolf has. Starting with countless different dangerous species kills over decades, awesome improvising skills in combat, brute strength, and badass whip skills, single handedly. ONE single human. Yeah, no.
Nah, he repeatedly does things that either make no sense at all, given his cover-up job, or that by all rights should have gotten him killed except the Aliens just behave even dumber instead of reacting normally.
(Edit)
And I'm saying this as someone who's watched it a dozen times and actually enjoyed it most of those times. Wolf is an absolute clown.
Quote from: TheRenegadeMan on May 27, 2023, 10:41:31 PMRegardless if people agree or disagree that the teens ruined AVPR...
Wolf is my favorite Predator to date. Regardless if he blew up a power plant? A moron though? No human is perfect either. But no human is going to even fathom getting frustrated fighting a damn PredAlien either!
Let's see a human hunter with the skill set Wolf has. Starting with countless different dangerous species kills over decades, awesome improvising skills in combat, brute strength, and badass whip skills, single handedly. ONE single human. Yeah, no.
Wolf us my favorite after City Hunter in Pred 2. I think he's bombad, he freaking strangles two Xenomorphs in the sewers with ome in each hand, and his duel with the Predalien is to quote Gollick, "magnificent!" (Alien 3, Assembly Cut)
Quote from: TheRenegadeMan on May 27, 2023, 10:41:31 PMLet's see a human hunter with the skill set Wolf has. Starting with countless different dangerous species kills over decades, awesome improvising skills in combat, brute strength, and badass whip skills, single handedly. ONE single human. Yeah, no.
What has this got to do with anything? Nobody is comparing him to a human. He just has the IQ of brick compared to most other on-screen Predators, and is saved repeatedly by plot armour alone.
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:49:19 PMhe freaking strangles two Xenomorphs in the sewers with ome in each hand
While the Aliens... just kinda let him, and forget about their claws and tails for some reason?
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:13:02 PMI never felt Wolf was moron. He takes out the power plant trying to kill the Predalien, which is most dangerious Xenomorph of all.
No he doesn't, he blows up the power station by accident by blindly shooting at a regular Alien.
@TheRenegadeMan can you please just answer the question about what the Redux is? I've asked twice now.
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:55:36 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:13:02 PMI never felt Wolf was moron. He takes out the power plant trying to kill the Predalien, which is most dangerious Xenomorph of all.
No he doesn't, he blows up the power station by accident by blindly shooting at a regular Alien.
@TheRenegadeMan can you please just answer the question about what the Redux is? I've asked twice now.
Hmmm.. I gotta rewatch AVPR now.
Is it 20 minutes long?
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:55:36 PM@TheRenegadeMan can you please just answer the question about what the Redux is? I've asked twice now.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64257.0 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64257.0)
Quote from: Wweyland on May 28, 2023, 09:00:29 PMIs it 20 minutes long?
It's a full 24!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 28, 2023, 09:24:26 PMQuote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:55:36 PM@TheRenegadeMan can you please just answer the question about what the Redux is? I've asked twice now.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64257.0 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64257.0)
Quote from: Wweyland on May 28, 2023, 09:00:29 PMIs it 20 minutes long?
It's a full 24!
Thats actually fitting for AvP:R . Stash it together with another two short Predator stories and you got an anthology movie brewing.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 28, 2023, 09:24:26 PMQuote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:55:36 PM@TheRenegadeMan can you please just answer the question about what the Redux is? I've asked twice now.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64257.0 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64257.0)
Quote from: Wweyland on May 28, 2023, 09:00:29 PMIs it 20 minutes long?
It's a full 24!
So it's condensed incompetence. Amazing.
Quote from: SiL on May 27, 2023, 10:55:36 PMQuote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:13:02 PMI never felt Wolf was moron. He takes out the power plant trying to kill the Predalien, which is most dangerious Xenomorph of all.
No he doesn't, he blows up the power station by accident by blindly shooting at a regular Alien.
He does it intentionally in the first draft. I'm not sure to what purpose, though.
I still need to give that Redux edit a go.
A lot of things about the AvP fighting is, oddly, better in the first draft.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 30, 2023, 09:54:59 AMHe does it intentionally in the first draft. I'm not sure to what purpose, though.
Because it's TOTALLY COOL and really BAD@$$!!!1!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 30, 2023, 10:11:51 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on May 30, 2023, 09:54:59 AMHe does it intentionally in the first draft. I'm not sure to what purpose, though.
Because it's TOTALLY COOL and really BAD@$$!!!1!
According to my obscenity-laden review (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=46799.msg1641069#msg1641069), yeah, he just walks out and blows up the plant.
But the pool fight scene actually had Wolf get injured, so there's something.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 27, 2023, 10:42:50 PMNah, he repeatedly does things that either make no sense at all, given his cover-up job, or that by all rights should have gotten him killed except the Aliens just behave even dumber instead of reacting normally.
(Edit)
And I'm saying this as someone who's watched it a dozen times and actually enjoyed it most of those times. Wolf is an absolute clown.
On a rewatch his Cleaner antics are puzzling, I mean a Xeno Outbreak is impossible to cover up except with a great shroom.
Yeah that's true, but also things like skinning people and leaving them around when A) they were no threat at all, and B) that's just going to raise more of an alarm when he's supposed to be a secret squirrel.
wasn't this the edit that was on Youtube years ago?
Okay, okay, I'll just admit it: Beyond laughing my ass off at the opening scene of the father-son duo getting brutally murdered, I stopped watching the movie. I know that events happen, people do things, fights occur in the dark, a pregnant woman gives birth to aliens from a Rastafarian Alien, and that an APC™ from Aliens™ appears at the end or something.
I don't actually know for sure if AVPR is a terrible, awful movie, but what I have seen is enough to put me off it.
Quote from: Eal on Oct 06, 2023, 11:20:05 PMOkay, okay, I'll just admit it: Beyond laughing my ass off at the opening scene of the father-son duo getting brutally murdered, I stopped watching the movie. I know that events happen, people do things, fights occur in the dark, a pregnant woman gives birth to aliens from a Rastafarian Alien, and that an APC™ from Aliens™ appears at the end or something.
I don't actually know for sure if AVPR is a terrible, awful movie, but what I have seen is enough to put me off it.
You made the right choice - I wish I could un-see the movie 🤣
I quite enjoy it alongside movies like Critters and The Deadly Spawn, but whether or not you want an Alien/Predator movie that's good bedfellows with those, is a different matter.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Oct 07, 2023, 12:40:25 AMI quite enjoy it alongside movies like Critters and The Deadly Spawn, but whether or not you want an Alien/Predator movie that's good bedfellows with those, is a different matter.
An interesting thought.. I too love my fair share of B-movies (side note; the spiritual successor to The Deadly Spawn, 'Metamorphosis: The Alien Factor' is one of my faves!) ...would I have enjoyed AvPR if we removed the Aliens and Predators and replaced them with a pseudo equivalent... 🤔 yes... I probably would have. 😅 Which now has me re-evaluating...is it a terrible movie, or just a terrible Alien/Predator movie? Hmmm... 🤔 ...I've definitely enjoyed worse! 😂
That movie exists. It's called Alien vs Hunter and doesn't even come close to clearing the low bar set by AvPR.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 08, 2023, 05:30:37 PM'Metamorphosis: The Alien Factor'
It's almost the part of spooky month where I watch that yet again.
24 min - https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19qcyd
34 min - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cMWsGkqnBlR7Z2uS3cj6Im4V6lKINTh5/view
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on May 27, 2023, 10:13:02 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 23, 2023, 12:30:56 PMQuote from: TheRenegadeMan on May 23, 2023, 12:08:16 AMIt's a shame the movie was tarnished by the teenagers. Without them, you really see the acting effort and love put into the predators and aliens, the lore, etc.
And damn, Wolf is by far the most bad ass predator to date.
Does it suddenly make the Alien designs good?
Does it make Wolf not a complete moron?
Absolute nonsense, it is rotten to the core, lore included. When people come out with stuff like this, it diminishes the credibility of the effect editing can have, but the material needs to be somewhat good in the first place.
No amount of clever editing can save the last Seasons of GoT, the Star Wars Prequels or Sequels, or indeed the AVP films up to now. Sometimes things just fundamentally are what they are.
I never felt Wolf was moron. He takes out the power plant trying to kill the Predalien, which is most dangerious Xenomorph of all. He takes some how do I say.. uncessary risks, but he knows this creature is capable of wiping out the best of prey, humanity.
He takes out the power plant trying to shoot a warrior xenomorph. The Predalien shows up as yellow, what he tried to aim at was green. He does plenty of other moronic stuff too like leaving a skinned body and pretty much allowing the aliens to escape the sewers.
Disregard the first part, someone already brought it up. My fault for not reading further lol
Of all the problems with AvPR, "the teenagers" is well down the list. The Ricky-Jesse-Dale thing takes all of 7 and half minutes run time and that includes the Alien killing Dale's friends.
Yep, the teenagers were only a tiny part of the problems of that movie. They were simply just irrelevant. Cutting them out doesn't solve the problem of Wolf stupidity, Chet's life-cycle, the lighting, the alien's appearance and behavior. There is probably too much to list :laugh:
Does the redux at least fix the lighting issue? :laugh:
Hmm do we actually want to see what is going on though?... :P