Take this with a grain of salt. This site claims, Nimrod Antal allegedly spoke with Ridley Scott about the direction PROMETHEUS 2 will head in. He claims Ridley wasn't too happy with the story of Prometheus, but accepted the sequel nonetheless. However, P2 will not head to the Engineers planet as expected, but instead involve human characters, on Earth, responding to Shaw and David sending signals on board the Juggernaut/Derelict to Earth, with Weyland's team, attempting to destroy that ship before it reaches Earth... Threatening us with the Black-Goo, perhps? Presumably to 'evolve' us? The horror of which, no doubt, will be what the new, military, 'female lead' has to endure, after she (allegedly) takes over when Shaw dies, midway through the film. So will we will get to experience those transformations first hand on their mission, as an audience? That would likely be more 'ALIEN-ey' as previous reported... Antal also says it will be a third film that finally reveals the Engineers homeworld. Could this female, military lead be the part Cate Blanchett is also ALLEGEDLY in talks to take on?
WORKING TITLE - PROMETHEUS: HELL ON EARTH
Again,... grain of salt.
This is rumor control. There are NO FACTS.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/06/06/prometheus-2-paradise-or-the-end-of-mankind-1474683 (http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/06/06/prometheus-2-paradise-or-the-end-of-mankind-1474683)
If this should be true, I think this sounds in line with what an Alien/Prometheus film should be, mostly because I think in order for them to work, something must go wrong on these missions that retains the truth from reaching Earth while also keeping things vague regarding the companies intentions during the Alien cycle of films. This type of story sounds like it provides an opportunity to return to the body horror and action aspects, hopefully adding some new things to the creatures, while also developing some Company characters and provoking the whole 'Is the Company more interested in saving Earth from this threat or retaining patents and keeping the competition from getting a leg up?' Which is something, I think, Ridley's films are very interested in, and we should see more of, because its one of the most relevant aspects of the Alien series.
I`ll wait and see. As for now I have no expectations towards Prom2.
The source of this Nimrod antall story comes from a comment made on another movie site... supposedly made by a journalist friend of Antall....
yeah seems like shit, smells like shit.. probably is shit. ;D
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563 (http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563)
This interview shows that the push to remove the xeno came very high up at fox and may not have been ridley's idea.
http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus (http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus)
This article claims the same .
I dunno - perhaps prometheus isn't exactly what ridley wanted.
Tom Rothman was CEO of FOX film studio division at the time. He used to be pretty "hands on" with managing franchises to the point of annoying cast and directors. Might've been him.
He was the guy that said that the Sentinels should never be in XMEN films because "giant robots are teh sillyz"...
of course there was a film this year that finally had Sentinels and it ended up being the best reviewed XMEN film so far... so i guess Rothman was right.
He also didnt buy Transformers for FOX based on the same reasons... essentially dumping a billion dollar franchise. :P lolz. Nice business skillz.
Quote from: oduodu on Jun 10, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563 (http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563)
This interview shows that the push to remove the xeno came very high up at fox and may not have been ridley's idea.
http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus (http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus)
This article claims the same .
I dunno - perhaps prometheus isn't exactly what ridley wanted.
Ridley didn't want xenos either.
Lol at the second article. "What went wrong?" Nothing went wrong, Ridley told Damon what he wanted and got what he wanted.
The bit about Nimrod Antal is rubbish. The Hell on Earth story came from here: http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/03/25/prometheus-2-sequel-alien-david/ (http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/03/25/prometheus-2-sequel-alien-david/)
In the comments, there is a supposed Swedish journalist who posted it in March.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 10, 2014, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Jun 10, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563 (http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563)
This interview shows that the push to remove the xeno came very high up at fox and may not have been ridley's idea.
http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus (http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus)
This article claims the same .
I dunno - perhaps prometheus isn't exactly what ridley wanted.
Ridley didn't want xenos either.
Lol at the second article. "What went wrong?" Nothing went wrong, Ridley told Damon what he wanted and got what he wanted.
"Ridley Scott: Well Prometheus evolved from, I made a film almost thirty years ago, er called Alien and er, and the end of having finished Alien, I was always concerned about the fact that in the story, Tom Skerrit had brought up a question, who is this creature, how did he die and what was this device he was sitting in. We we never answered the question during the actual film itself. I was always concerned about it would raise its head, people would say what was that, they never did and then I watched 2, 3 and 4 get made, then I watched, I think I couldn't really watch, was it Alien vs Predator, but it was never raised, and erm, so I brought it up about er, four years ago to Fox, Tom Rothman, I said you know what,we can open the door here and have a whole new universe which will give life to this genre, erm, although I think the Alien itself is now dead and gone, wrung dry, I think we can open up to a new universe, new doors, new experiences and specifically asking some more significant questions which of course occur in the film."
Mark Kermode, BBC Radio 5
Yes I know, and your point?
Was actually meant for oduodu. :P
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jun 10, 2014, 07:15:17 PM
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 10, 2014, 06:44:27 PM
Quote from: oduodu on Jun 10, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563 (http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1563)
This interview shows that the push to remove the xeno came very high up at fox and may not have been ridley's idea.
http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus (http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/66733-what-went-wrong-behind-the-scenes-of-prometheus)
This article claims the same .
I dunno - perhaps prometheus isn't exactly what ridley wanted.
Ridley didn't want xenos either.
Lol at the second article. "What went wrong?" Nothing went wrong, Ridley told Damon what he wanted and got what he wanted.
"Ridley Scott: Well Prometheus evolved from, I made a film almost thirty years ago, er called Alien and er, and the end of having finished Alien, I was always concerned about the fact that in the story, Tom Skerrit had brought up a question, who is this creature, how did he die and what was this device he was sitting in. We we never answered the question during the actual film itself. I was always concerned about it would raise its head, people would say what was that, they never did and then I watched 2, 3 and 4 get made, then I watched, I think I couldn't really watch, was it Alien vs Predator, but it was never raised, and erm, so I brought it up about er, four years ago to Fox, Tom Rothman, I said you know what,we can open the door here and have a whole new universe which will give life to this genre, erm, although I think the Alien itself is now dead and gone, wrung dry, I think we can open up to a new universe, new doors, new experiences and specifically asking some more significant questions which of course occur in the film."
Mark Kermode, BBC Radio 5
Thanks for the quote. That was the first time I actually heard ridley say that.
So why was he discussing 8 different kind of alien eggs with jon spaihts and only after 8 drafts did they decide to hire lindeloff to cut the xenomorph out and why was ridley so excited about spaihts initial ideas that he decided to direct and not produce ??
Because Ridley was interested in the engineers/space jockeys, and the fact that they had a hand in humanity's creation. He figured the studio would want the xenomorphs, he was never really interested in them. He actually thinks the facehugger looks quite silly.
It was only until Damon was like "hey, you don't need the xenomorphs" that Fox and Scott were like "ohhh yeah!"
Ok.
Why did ridley not know right from the start what the studio wanted ?? Why 8 drafts ??
They all wanted an Alien prequel. Damon planted in their mind to not do one. Ridley sought out Damon because he felt Jon's draft "needed work". And one of the first things he said to Damon was "it feels too close to Alien".
Lemonade
Are you sure that he whole removal thing came from damon??
That's interesting.
You mean to say that both fox and ridley was going the prequel route and he was the source of cutting the xeno ??
Look I agree that cutting the xeno and facehuggers were a good idea.
Ridley always wanted to explore the xeno.s home world or place of origin as well as the civilisation that created them. Prometheus is going that way and that's why it and alien must connect so that we can ultimately solve those issues albeit in an ambiguous way.
My real question is :
Is the prometheus we got absolutely the movie ridley wanted ??
Why were so many of the scenes in prometheus cut out of the order they were written in the scripts ? And others completely lost their meaning.
For example:
In one of the drafts one of the engineers committed suicide by deliberately decapitated his head by allowing one of the iris doors to close around his head and not by accident like in prometheus.. It seems he was infected. This scene was much later in the script and it happened much later in proceedings.
Then the add stuff like the murals and green stone and head at seemingly a much later stage ?
In none of the drafts did anyone remove their helmets until weyland and his crew were in the jugg to wake the engineer.
It just seems some scenes were changed to be put out of logical order and the meaning changed and elelments added simply to make the movie over ambiguous.
Was this ridleys idea or fox's ?? Or both ??
It just seems like someone did like they did with alien. The shooting script had no sj inside the derelict (it was fossilised outside in the rock) and then they just moved the is inside etc at a very late stage.
Its like they went overboard on this in prometheus. I am no saying its bad
BUT
Was all this ridleys ideas ?
That's what I want to know.
I think Ridley would have been more than happy to have an Alien in Prometheus had a design truly pleased him, and had Damon's script had anything resembling it. The Deacon itself is a testament to the idea that they wanted to keep some of the Alien element but branch off. Much of the conceptual work for the film based on Spaight's(sp?) take also indicates that Ridley didn't mind having the Alien in some form within the film.
Actually, I'd wager a guess it was Damon's idea to have the deacon at the end. Remember, he says its the "punchline" to the movie. And remember in the commentary, he says something to the effect of "as a fan, I would be fundamentally disappointed going into this movie and not get to see one alien."
I have not listened to the Prometheus commentary as yet. I've been meaning to check it out at some point.
Though I feel it raises a potential danger for the film, because that was a tease. The audience was shown a birth, and it's going to want some kind of payoff for that birth in the second film. That's just my take on what everyone i've spoken to has echoed regarding that ending. I think the best parallel would be the 'calling card' at the end of Batman Begins. Even if it takes a very different form from either Giger's beast, any of the subsequent films, or the Deacon itself...
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"The joker is a comin'."
Where is that picture from? It's really cool.
I'm fairly certain it's concept art for the ultramorph. The creature that would have been featured in Spaights script.
Shame. It would've looked gorgeous in Prometheus.
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 04:02:14 AM
Shame. It would've looked gorgeous in Prometheus.
I think that UltraMorph design looks cool as hell but isn't far enough removed from what we've already seen. Ive always agreed that we shouldn't have seen the Xenos in Prometheus, because TO ME, a Prequel should be watchable BEFORE the original, and you cannot feature the Alien life-cycle in a Prequel without ruining the dramatic tension of Alien. The final scene where the Deacon is birthed, remains my biggest problem with Prometheus because new generations will never be surprised by the Chestburster scene in ALIEN after having seen PROMETHEUS, because they have seen it all already and will know what to expect. They should have at least left out the image of the Trilobite facehugging the Engineer. If that would have somehow not been seen, ALIEN would remain, in tact dramatically.
I think i'd go the other way and keep the proto-facehugging. For those who know what it is, it's an ominous foreshadowing. For those who don't, it looks like the Engineer is getting smothered to death with a disturbing oral violation.
Eh, that's not how movies work CainsSon. You can't be beholden to one movie when making another. You can't say "Oh, we can't have this in our movie because it takes away the surprise in another movie" especially in regards to Prometheus, which is basically what Scott wanted Alien to be anyway. So in essence, it's a remake. Seven movies deep, I think we all know what happens when someone gets that spider-looking alien thing affixed to their face.
Prometheus is about different things anyway. It has new ideas and could easily work without any bursting. But luckily, that wasn't the case, because as an Alien fan I want to see that stuff. ;)
Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:53:07 PM
Eh, that's not how movies work CainsSon. You can't be beholden to one movie when making another. You can't say "Oh, we can't have this in our movie because it takes away the surprise in another movie" especially in regards to Prometheus, which is basically what Scott wanted Alien to be anyway. So in essence, it's a remake. Seven movies deep, I think we all know what happens when someone gets that spider-looking alien thing affixed to their face.
Prometheus is about different things anyway. It has new ideas and could easily work without any bursting. But luckily, that wasn't the case, because as an Alien fan I want to see that stuff. ;)
Well, people have different ideas of how a movie should be.
If I were Scott, I wouldn't want to ruin the context of my own Highly Regarded Masterpiece of film making (ALIEN is protected by the AFI for having Historic Significance), and that movie's entire plot pivots on screenwriting plot-points surrounding the Alien's life cycle.
So yes, maybe that's not how a person should THINK about movies but in this particular case, you look pretty dumb for ignoring it. PROMETHEUS wasn't made with the anticipation of only attracting viewers who already know the Alien's life cycle. In fact, I'd wager that this had a lot to do with the decision-making process, and good for them because not everyone who goes to see PROMETHEUS has ALREADY seen ALIEN and if I'd seen PROMETHEUS first, I might now even care for the Chestburster scene in ALIEN and we are talking about the most infamous death scene in a horror film, aide from maybe the Shower scene in PSYCHO. Would it be smart to make a Prequel to PSYCHO that involved a different woman in another shower, getting stabbed with a bbq fork by a dude dressed as his dead mother? See what I mean?
Pretty much square on, CainsSon.
Though I would say there are ways to get an adult alien(Or a variation on that theme) into a movie like this and sidestep the life cycle all together. Which is what I personally would have done if I had written Prometheus. There would have been something in stasis within the pyramid that was awoken when the crew started bumbling around. A sentinel/guardian.
What's Scott said about 'Prometheus'? That the version we saw was the movie he wanted us to see. It isn't ambiguous. We need look no deeper than that.
Scott has said a lot of things over the years. Of Alien he's said the version he released is his preferred version, but he's also said he would have loved to do a "3 hour version." The man, like most great artists, changes his mind a lot.
When? The original workprint was three hours and they cut it down to the theatrical version. When Fox decided to re-release the movie in theaters their plan was to just make a longer cut, and he took the opportunity to supervise a new edit shorter than the original. He still said in the introduction to it on the Quadrilogy that the original remained his preferred edit.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 15, 2014, 03:45:39 AM
When? The original workprint was three hours and they cut it down to the theatrical version. When Fox decided to re-release the movie in theaters their plan was to just make a longer cut, and he took the opportunity to supervise a new edit shorter than the original. He still said in the introduction to it on the Quadrilogy that the original remained his preferred edit.
He has said it on many occasions that he wanted to do a three hour version, and no, i'm not talking about the workprint of the film. He was more than interested in exploring all of the ideas present O'bannon's original film. He talked about this
back in 79 and the early 80s. He also talked about it when asked about doing a future Alien installment post Aliens/A3/AR. Budget necessitated the cut downs more than anything. Yes,
he has said it.
A lot of those ideas eventually made their way into Prometheus, yes?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 15, 2014, 04:33:15 AM
He has said it on many occasions that he wanted to do a three hour version,
Could ya find one?
EDIT
I've found one so far where he says the
pyramid would've been wonderful
in a three hour version, not that he wanted to
do a three hour version.
Well whatever the hell it was at the end of Prometheus I think we pretty much got an alien in the movie. Or is the deacon going to be one of them inside jokes and we never see him again until 30 years later. ala just like the space jockey from alien.
I can see Ridley at 100 years old trying to reboot the reboot by saying you know that thing at the end of Prometheus, the deacon, what was that guys story? How come no one ever asked what was going on there. It baffles the mind.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 15, 2014, 09:07:51 AMI can see Ridley at 100 years old trying to reboot the reboot by saying you know that thing at the end of Prometheus, the deacon, what was that guys story? How come no one ever asked what was going on there.
... Anyone? Hello? Nurse?
Nobody will be asking that question in 30 years. They will still be asking what the Space Jockey was about.
But no-one ever asked what the Space Jockey was about. All that hard work by Giger, Scott and everyone who worked on Mr. Jockey and no one gives a shit. :'(
Quote from: Ridley Scott"Well Prometheus evolved from, I made a film almost thirty years ago, er called Alien and er, and the end of having finished Alien, I was always concerned about the fact that in the story, Tom Skerrit had brought up a question, who is this creature, how did he die and what was this device he was sitting in. We we never answered the question during the actual film itself. I was always concerned about it would raise its head, people would say what was that, they never did."
Quote from: ChrisPachi on Jun 17, 2014, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 15, 2014, 09:07:51 AMI can see Ridley at 100 years old trying to reboot the reboot by saying you know that thing at the end of Prometheus, the deacon, what was that guys story? How come no one ever asked what was going on there.
... Anyone? Hello? Nurse?
Nobody will be asking that question in 30 years. They will still be asking what the Space Jockey was about.
He's people. Deal with it. :P
No, he's an Lovecraftian Eldritch Space God (TM), who the Engineers worship!!! The Jockey is 30' tall and the Engineer is only 6'6"!!! This proves that Engineers aren't Jockies!!!11!!1
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or that.
nice comparison . well played .
Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 18, 2014, 06:20:31 AMHe's people. Deal with it. :P
Duh.
QuoteNo, he's an Lovecraftian Eldritch Space God (TM), who the Engineers worship!!! The Jockey is 30' tall and the Engineer is only 6'6"!!! This proves that Engineers aren't Jockies!!!11!!1
You're still talking about the Space Jockey.
Quote from: SM on Jun 18, 2014, 08:45:57 AM
No, he's an Lovecraftian Eldritch Space God (TM), who the Engineers worship!!! The Jockey is 30' tall and the Engineer is only 6'6"!!! This proves that Engineers aren't Jockies!!!11!!1
And besides that, the jockeys looked like elephants and the engineer suit looks like sheit.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 15, 2014, 05:49:12 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 15, 2014, 04:33:15 AM
He has said it on many occasions that he wanted to do a three hour version,
Could ya find one?
EDIT
I've found one so far where he says the pyramid would've been wonderful in a three hour version, not that he wanted to do a three hour version.
This one goes to you SiL, as I went digging and could not find what my brain was telling me to look for. It wasn't that pyramid remark, but I can't find it. Bleh. I thought I read it over on Strange Shapes, but the only one there is his reference to the Pyramid scenes.
Quote from: Infected on Jun 22, 2014, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: SM on Jun 18, 2014, 08:45:57 AM
No, he's an Lovecraftian Eldritch Space God (TM), who the Engineers worship!!! The Jockey is 30' tall and the Engineer is only 6'6"!!! This proves that Engineers aren't Jockies!!!11!!1
And besides that, the jockeys looked like elephants and the engineer suit looks like sheit.
Yeah with liek tusks and big ears and everything lololololol
weird
the tital of this thread makes no sense. why?