Posted by judge death
- Oct 17, 2021, 02:48:35 AMWell its not just there they have pulse rifles, weapon makers have released fully working ones in the usa:
Posted by Biggles
- Oct 02, 2021, 07:05:48 PMThank you Xenomorphine - big fan of your work on the podcasts in particular. To be clear, it's commercial for Gamespot but not for the Armouries - we're happy just with the audience it reaches and the feedback from fans has been fantastic; everything I hoped for over a decade ago when I first nervously got in front of a camera to talk museum objects.
The more I think about the PR UGL, the more convinced I am that there would be no gameplay implications around having that in lieu of the as you rightly put it, WW2 hand-throwing. I can believe that hand-thrown grenades would still be a thing (the PR grenades were supposed to be both, of course) but if you had to pick one way of delivering relatively low-power 'nades for this game, surely it would be the PR launcher. Anyway, looking forward to what they add (back?) in. I'm less bothered about the torrent of non-movie weapons, especially the weird PR derivatives, but hey, I don't have to use them
The more I think about the PR UGL, the more convinced I am that there would be no gameplay implications around having that in lieu of the as you rightly put it, WW2 hand-throwing. I can believe that hand-thrown grenades would still be a thing (the PR grenades were supposed to be both, of course) but if you had to pick one way of delivering relatively low-power 'nades for this game, surely it would be the PR launcher. Anyway, looking forward to what they add (back?) in. I'm less bothered about the torrent of non-movie weapons, especially the weird PR derivatives, but hey, I don't have to use them
Posted by Xenomorphine
- Oct 02, 2021, 06:05:36 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Sep 14, 2021, 09:34:10 PM
Pretty sure a flamethrower has done xeno damage in every Alien game with a flamethrower (except Alien Isolation).
Not in the films.
The video games were always far more superficial and tended to take their cues more from the shallowness of 'Starship Troopers' than 'Aliens'.Quote from: Xhan on Sep 15, 2021, 07:10:46 PM
There are files for the PiG in the game and so is a partial template for the Lacrima. Whether they're going to be finished or not is another matter.
A time-jump to 'Resurrection'? That might actually be a good choice. The tone of the game would actually be a better fit for the USM vibe.
Quote from: Biggles on Sep 16, 2021, 08:44:07 AM
As a long-standing mostly-lurker here, I'm really glad you liked it guys. I had forgotten about the IGN preview of the weapons that showed a PR with two bolts and two barrels, which I think must have been a PR with a semi-auto grenade launcher. Really sad they took that out because the 'A2' has no additional functionality over the 'A' (I didn't want to bash them for their nomenclature but going from A to A2, A3 etc misunderstands the system established by 'M41A'), so making the GL semi would have been a nice upgrade. Removing it entirely I just don't get, beyond a last-minute rebalancing effort and a desire to retain the standalone grenade launcher. But then we have multiple different near-identical rifles, so where's the harm in another GL? They could have treated it as an entirely separate weapon that you switch to and takes up the second slot.
https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2021/03/16/aliensfireteam-weapons-watermarked-1615936781426.jpg
Any chance that version is in the game somewhere, given that the modelling and texturing got finished?
-Jonathan
Very enjoyable, yes! It's always good to see these commercial opportunities used to helpfully educate people.
I think a lot of the quirks come from console gamer mentality, as well as copy-and-paste from other ventures some of the development team might have already been involved in. For the life of me, I don't have a clue why the PR couldn't have just had the GL option completely replace a WW2-like manual 'grenade hurling' mechanic.
Maybe someone decided it wouldn't give anyone a reason to get the dedicated grenade launcher, but they could have simply replicated the automatic-firing grenade launcher concept of today with, say, guided ordnance (to give a futuristic sense), to make that weapon desirable. With the obvious drawback that being forced to use it in close quarters is a big no-no.
There are apparently hints a flamethrower more in line with the one from the film will be added for the future. So, I'm guessing the more authentic PR with a GL will make an appearance, too. But it's still weird it isn't included from the start, instead of this version.
Posted by Enjoy
- Sep 21, 2021, 04:25:46 PMA outdoor horde mode on lv-426 that allows the use of a dropship would be fun. Or the transport vehicle . Need more horde modes
Posted by Biggles
- Sep 16, 2021, 08:44:07 AMAs a long-standing mostly-lurker here, I'm really glad you liked it guys. I had forgotten about the IGN preview of the weapons that showed a PR with two bolts and two barrels, which I think must have been a PR with a semi-auto grenade launcher. Really sad they took that out because the 'A2' has no additional functionality over the 'A' (I didn't want to bash them for their nomenclature but going from A to A2, A3 etc misunderstands the system established by 'M41A'), so making the GL semi would have been a nice upgrade. Removing it entirely I just don't get, beyond a last-minute rebalancing effort and a desire to retain the standalone grenade launcher. But then we have multiple different near-identical rifles, so where's the harm in another GL? They could have treated it as an entirely separate weapon that you switch to and takes up the second slot.
https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2021/03/16/aliensfireteam-weapons-watermarked-1615936781426.jpg
Any chance that version is in the game somewhere, given that the modelling and texturing got finished?
-Jonathan
https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2021/03/16/aliensfireteam-weapons-watermarked-1615936781426.jpg
Any chance that version is in the game somewhere, given that the modelling and texturing got finished?
-Jonathan
Posted by Xhan
- Sep 15, 2021, 07:10:46 PMQuote from: Xenomorphine on Sep 14, 2021, 09:16:18 PM
Very refreshing analysis and valid informed criticisms! Certainly agree they should have been trying to optimise fewer weapons for a greater array of diverse purposes, not increasing the number for fewer specialisations (which, in turn, seem very copy/paste from one another). It definitely felt as though they were just trying to fill out pure numbers for the sake of it, yet completely missed opportunities for including things like direct energy weapons (especially area-of-effect riot control, like an evolved form of today's 'pain ray' microwave system). The heavy class's grenade launcher seems underwhelming, too.
Would also argue that flamethrowers shouldn't actually have any effect on the adult creatures (who we know survive high temperature shuttle exhaust and prolonged submergence in molten lead). But, eh, that's the nature of a game as superficial as this.
There are files for the PiG in the game and so is a partial template for the Lacrima. Whether they're going to be finished or not is another matter.
Posted by Adam802
- Sep 15, 2021, 01:46:49 PMNot really a fan of how they changed the designs. The Pulse Rifle with no grenade launcher is borderline sacrilegious.
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
- Sep 15, 2021, 11:22:28 AMUseful on the Eggs but not much else... as it really ought to be
Posted by Corporal Hicks
- Sep 15, 2021, 07:35:33 AMQuote from: Trash Queen on Sep 14, 2021, 09:42:32 PM
It's all but useless on the adult Aliens in AVP 2010 though.
Flamethrower in that game was useless full stop.
Posted by 426Buddy
- Sep 14, 2021, 10:07:36 PMOkay I can give you those... But technically they still do damage! 
Posted by [cancerblack]
- Sep 14, 2021, 10:01:09 PMComplete meme in Alien Trilogy too, you'll run through most of a full tank trying to kill most adult creatures once you're past the first couple of levels.
Posted by BlueMarsalis79
- Sep 14, 2021, 09:42:32 PMIt's all but useless on the adult Aliens in AVP 2010 though.
Posted by 426Buddy
- Sep 14, 2021, 09:34:10 PMPretty sure a flamethrower has done xeno damage in every Alien game with a flamethrower (except Alien Isolation).
Posted by Xenomorphine
- Sep 14, 2021, 09:16:18 PMVery refreshing analysis and valid informed criticisms! Certainly agree they should have been trying to optimise fewer weapons for a greater array of diverse purposes, not increasing the number for fewer specialisations (which, in turn, seem very copy/paste from one another). It definitely felt as though they were just trying to fill out pure numbers for the sake of it, yet completely missed opportunities for including things like direct energy weapons (especially area-of-effect riot control, like an evolved form of today's 'pain ray' microwave system). The heavy class's grenade launcher seems underwhelming, too.
Would also argue that flamethrowers shouldn't actually have any effect on the adult creatures (who we know survive high temperature shuttle exhaust and prolonged submergence in molten lead). But, eh, that's the nature of a game as superficial as this.
Would also argue that flamethrowers shouldn't actually have any effect on the adult creatures (who we know survive high temperature shuttle exhaust and prolonged submergence in molten lead). But, eh, that's the nature of a game as superficial as this.
Posted by Darkness
- Sep 14, 2021, 05:02:53 PMI've been to Royal Armouries in Leeds quite a few times. I think the Pulse Rifle is on display there in the fiction section.
