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Posted by Alionic
 - Jun 03, 2017, 02:26:56 AM
I can't believe the Xeno jumping around the red hallway towards the camera wasn't in the movie.
Posted by D88M
 - Jun 03, 2017, 01:48:06 AM
it has become a trend in hollywood to release incomplete and mutilated movies, even lying with trailers putting stuff that is not in the finished movie (Power Rangers, Covenant/Prometheus, BvS, Suicide Squad, anything from the mcu, etc, the list is endless)
Posted by NOOO
 - Jun 02, 2017, 08:14:21 PM
I want longer cut. I felt like it was missing 30 mins for the ending. Apparently I was right. it needs to be longer
Posted by juxtapose
 - Jun 01, 2017, 07:01:45 PM
it's interesting to see how polarizing this movie is. .the very thing i loved about this filming experience is the very thing that others hate. . I felt david and walter took up way enought screen time for instance. .they even kissed. .would u have been more satisfied if they got married and adopted a baby neo?. .i am gay so it would!nt have bothered me much. .i was in for this movie cause of the action . .the gore. .the neo's and ultimately the big awesome f**king acid bleeding chap f**ker with the extended jaw. . .i got to see him like never before. .what i did not get was the love for the opening scene with weyland. .did not hate it. .but it was probably the least memorably scene IMO. .but i am glad others enjoyed it more. .even the flute scene was not quite as munchy as i thought it might be. .but i did not really mind it either. .their was plenty of scenes which i knew about before going into the threater wich i did not think was gonna please me much. .but their was plenty. .the wheatfield attack and the last 20 minutes on the covenant. . Loved it!
Posted by Protozoid
 - Jun 01, 2017, 05:48:58 PM
Disagree. This was a really choppy narrative. More so than Prometheus, the cuts are really obvious and harmful. And the unsurosising surprise fourth act is pointless and boring. This one needs a longer cut. The story is cut to shreds. Both prologues should have been in the film, and probably some of the other deleted scenes. Walter had shockingly little screen time. The buildup between him and David is really underdeveloped and appears to happen in minutes. This was a badly cut film, narratively speaking. Although, the script was also quite weak, which is where the real narrative, structural, and character issues are inherited. This movie just doesn't work, IMO.
Posted by Salt The Fries
 - Jun 01, 2017, 03:19:24 PM
Quote from: juxtapose on Jun 01, 2017, 02:55:51 PM
when i went to see it today for the first time i was most worried that i was gonna really loce it up until that reported rushed 3rd act. .but i actually welcomed the quicker pace it took during the third act. .i generally hate it when the climax of a movie happens to early on. .but it never felt like that while i watched covenant. .some of the most memorable scenes was during the 3rd act. .was surprised how much i enjoyed the shower scene and even the infamous chestburster scene. .actually really loved the look of the baby xeno and it mimicking david did not even bother me in the least. .the fight scene between the androids was also alot more entertaining that what i had imagined. . And loved daniels panic when the alien gave chase before she finally defeated it. .so many awesome events during that 3rd act. .

I had almost no problems with 3rd act and I think the Covenant's pacing was a deliberate attempt to distance itself from Prometheus's pacing. And the film - to me - had a superb flow.
Posted by juxtapose
 - Jun 01, 2017, 02:55:51 PM
when i went to see it today for the first time i was most worried that i was gonna really loce it up until that reported rushed 3rd act. .but i actually welcomed the quicker pace it took during the third act. .i generally hate it when the climax of a movie happens to early on. .but it never felt like that while i watched covenant. .some of the most memorable scenes was during the 3rd act. .was surprised how much i enjoyed the shower scene and even the infamous chestburster scene. .actually really loved the look of the baby xeno and it mimicking david did not even bother me in the least. .the fight scene between the androids was also alot more entertaining that what i had imagined. . And loved daniels panic when the alien gave chase before she finally defeated it. .so many awesome events during that 3rd act. .
Posted by BonesawT101
 - Jun 01, 2017, 02:44:44 PM
I feel like the film would absolutely benefit from an extended cut on Blu Ray. In particular, the third act. I wonder if there were many scenes of the Alien and Neomorph cut from the film... ???
Posted by Adorianu
 - Jun 01, 2017, 01:31:53 PM
Third act feels very rushed.
Posted by D88M
 - May 30, 2017, 11:47:40 PM
the pacing is too quick, and extended cut would be nice


yes, i really hope so, the pacing of the movie is a little rushed, just like in Prometheus, you can tell stuff was cut
Posted by Protozoid
 - May 30, 2017, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: Salt The Fries on May 30, 2017, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil

This is not those movies (and I don't even like Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Those were just off the top of my head. The idea is that it bombed in theaters and most people saw the home video version, resulting in a reappraisal. The bigger the bomb, the more opportunity for improvement there is. Sounds like they have a lot of footage for the last two movies. They could cobble together ultimate editions using all available footage and see if Ridley's vision grows on them. It almost certainly will. People want the long cuts to be good, which is most of the battle right there.
Look no further than William Friedkin's Sorcerer from 1977. One prominent critic from New York Times gave it a bad review, then everybody went apeshit on Friedkin because he dared to remake a beloved French art-house classic from 1953 and then suddenly without giving ANY thought everybody was aping those comments without putting any thought. Simultaneous release next to Star Wars, confusing marketing and lack of English language for the first 20 minutes didn't help, either. But hey, 35 years later, it became gradually reappraised. I even had DIRECT impact on this reappraisal, I made 99% of content on its wikipedia page, and it even influenced Warner Bros. which then used quotes from 40 years ago which I painstakingly fished out from the deepest depths of the Internet. One chick who's a film reviewer even wrote a piece on it for Medium.com and she acknowledged my help and put a special thanks for me :) But anyway, even the crtiics which initially hated the film now made a U-turn and admitted they were wrong. And now even it is not only thought of as a lost classic but even a lot of critics think it's more relevant than the original version.
Sorcerer is a great example! All Friedkin had to do was recolorize the movie and critics treated it like a new cut of the movie, right? And now almost overnight its rep went from one of the worst films to one of the best. Incredible. Just saw it for the first time last year and it was gripping, mesmerizing, haunting stuff. Friedkin's masterpiece, IMHO.
Posted by Salt The Fries
 - May 30, 2017, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil

This is not those movies (and I don't even like Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Those were just off the top of my head. The idea is that it bombed in theaters and most people saw the home video version, resulting in a reappraisal. The bigger the bomb, the more opportunity for improvement there is. Sounds like they have a lot of footage for the last two movies. They could cobble together ultimate editions using all available footage and see if Ridley's vision grows on them. It almost certainly will. People want the long cuts to be good, which is most of the battle right there.
Look no further than William Friedkin's Sorcerer from 1977. One prominent critic from New York Times gave it a bad review, then everybody went apeshit on Friedkin because he dared to remake a beloved French art-house classic from 1953 and then suddenly without giving ANY thought everybody was aping those comments without putting any thought. Simultaneous release next to Star Wars, confusing marketing and lack of English language for the first 20 minutes didn't help, either. But hey, 35 years later, it became gradually reappraised. I even had DIRECT impact on this reappraisal, I made 99% of content on its wikipedia page, and it even influenced Warner Bros. which then used quotes from 40 years ago which I painstakingly fished out from the deepest depths of the Internet. One chick who's a film reviewer even wrote a piece on it for Medium.com and she acknowledged my help and put a special thanks for me :) But anyway, even the crtiics which initially hated the film now made a U-turn and admitted they were wrong. And now even it is not only thought of as a lost classic but even a lot of critics think it's more relevant than the original version.
Posted by Protozoid
 - May 30, 2017, 02:37:25 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil

This is not those movies (and I don't even like Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Those were just off the top of my head. The idea is that it bombed in theaters and most people saw the home video version, resulting in a reappraisal. The bigger the bomb, the more opportunity for improvement there is. Sounds like they have a lot of footage for the last two movies. They could cobble together ultimate editions using all available footage and see if Ridley's vision grows on them. It almost certainly will. People want the long cuts to be good, which is most of the battle right there.
Posted by SpeedyMaxx
 - May 30, 2017, 02:24:21 PM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil

This is not those movies (and I don't even like Heaven's Gate much, though it is visually incredible).
Posted by Protozoid
 - May 30, 2017, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: SyntaX on May 30, 2017, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on May 30, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
We definitely need extended Cuts of Prometheus and Covenant, just to get the pacing right and make the story just that bit clearer.

Im all for ambiguity in some places, but not when its for the sake of it

The problem with an Extended Cut is that it doesn't reach the same audience as a cinema does. Extended Cut's sometimes add more scenes that improve (or not) a certain aspect in the movie.

I remember Prometheus had an alternate opening. But I haven't seen any footage of that...
Alien Covenant could use some additions here and there and I'm pretty damn sure alot has been cut.

We'll see.

A sequel is 100% garantueed at this point. Covenant has been made on a relatively low-budget ...
Depends. I bet you more people saw the director's long home video cut of Blade Runner, Heaven's Gate, Once Upon a Time on America, and possibly Brazil than in their original theater releases. If they put out a longer version of Covenant, over time it may become the "true" version that everyone sees and remembers, and if it's good, that will improve the movie's rep.
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