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Release Date: May 30th

"The official prequel to the original film. Two Predators race through space, one a rogue, the other in pursuit. Their conflict brings them to Earth, where the rogue launches the assault on "Dutch" Schaefer and his unit, as seen in the 1987 movie Predator. The pursuing Yautja arrives and stops the rogue. In an ironic twist, however, he is mistaken for the rogue and attacked by Schaefer, who seeks to avenge his men."

Predators own River of Pain.

Quote from: felix on Aug 04, 2016, 05:33:52 AM
"The official prequel to the original film. Two Predators race through space, one a rogue, the other in pursuit. Their conflict brings them to Earth, where the rogue launches the assault on "Dutch" Schaefer and his unit, as seen in the 1987 movie Predator. The pursuing Yautja arrives and stops the rogue. In an ironic twist, however, he is mistaken for the rogue and attacked by Schaefer, who seeks to avenge his men."

Wait.... what?

Okay, so they're going with the whole Yautja thing again... Great, fine, but... two Predators, one being the Bad Blood and the other an Enforcer I'm assuming... So is Diablo the Rogue in the first act, but the second act... I'm lost. I was under the impression the film featured just ONE Predator.

Not anymore I guess...

So they're more or less... retconning the first film and the hunt was never really a hunt, just... one Predator being in the right place, but at the wrong time... Mm'kay...

That's an...interesting reinterpretation of the first movie. Hopefully it's a better novel than RoP was, at least.

Quote from: felix on Aug 04, 2016, 05:33:52 AM
Found this by accident on BNC CataLists
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=6340491

Release Date: May 30th

"The official prequel to the original film. Two Predators race through space, one a rogue, the other in pursuit. Their conflict brings them to Earth, where the rogue launches the assault on "Dutch" Schaefer and his unit, as seen in the 1987 movie Predator. The pursuing Yautja arrives and stops the rogue. In an ironic twist, however, he is mistaken for the rogue and attacked by Schaefer, who seeks to avenge his men."

Whaaaaatttt?

That's a huge twist and it also doesn't make any sense.. are we to presume the Predators were identical twins? you know considering they looked exactly the same...

And so like when the Predator was lured to Dutch did the "Good Guy" have some amazing battle with the Rogue one and kill it in 2 minutes?

Or did the "Good One" just kill it prior and than thought "Hey, these are some nice skulls I think I'll keep em."

This is terrible it screws the whole canon of the movie up.

Can't say I like this idea.

Quote from: g2vd on Aug 04, 2016, 11:05:22 AM

Quote from: felix on Aug 04, 2016, 05:33:52 AM
Found this by accident on BNC CataLists
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=6340491

Release Date: May 30th

"The official prequel to the original film. Two Predators race through space, one a rogue, the other in pursuit. Their conflict brings them to Earth, where the rogue launches the assault on "Dutch" Schaefer and his unit, as seen in the 1987 movie Predator. The pursuing Yautja arrives and stops the rogue. In an ironic twist, however, he is mistaken for the rogue and attacked by Schaefer, who seeks to avenge his men."

Whaaaaatttt?

That's a huge twist and it also doesn't make any sense.. are we to presume the Predators were identical twins? you know considering they looked exactly the same...

And so like when the Predator was lured to Dutch did the "Good Guy" have some amazing battle with the Rogue one and kill it in 2 minutes?

Or did the "Good One" just kill it prior and than thought "Hey, these are some nice skulls I think I'll keep em."

This is terrible it screws the whole canon of the movie up.

From reading that synopsis, I think the Rogue is the one who kills Hopper's team and then gets killed by Anytime who in the end couldn't help himself to an opportunistic hunt.

The Yautja in Incursion were said to go on "opportunistic hunts" while fleeing from an overwhelming force. Predators honestly can't help it lol.

EDIT: I re-read it and yeah, he does seem to attack Dutch Schaefer's team. My bad.

I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, hopefully it means we'll be getting a trilogy or something.

It's still a long way till release. I am sure the synopsis will be changed by then.

The two Preator thing was probably meant to be a surprise, like how the first Predator: Incursion synopsis spoiled the book.  :laugh:

I mean I would actually be really interested in this if it was like a "What-If" type scenario or a Novel that followed the films events from the Perdator's perspective. but this is a Official Prequel Novel which likely means or possibly that is that the Predator we will see in "The Predator" is actually...the original Jungle Hunter...because I mean it has to be otherwise I don't see why anyone would go to the trouble of retconning Predator to have actually had two Predators if you're not trying to do that.

This rogue Predator will explain why the Predator shot people in the back from branches while cloaked if we go by the Yautja concept of that being unsporty and cowardly.

Is it wrong to say that I think they're trying to fix something that ain't broke?

Not at all. I'll just pretend this never existed, since I'm not going to retcon the first movie in a stupid way like that. Until further info is revealed I'll keep my mouth shut, but I honestly dislike the idea of retconning source material.

I don't like this. Now I feel bad for the Predator Dutch drops a tree on. :(

Sounds like the Rogue kills Hopper and Dutch's men
Then Boyscout kills Rogue
Then Dutch kills Boyscout after the "honour" duel

So the two Predators are twins...

As long as they don't add secret Colonial Marines, I'll be fine.  :laugh:

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 04, 2016, 06:37:23 PM
As long as they don't add secret Colonial Marines, I'll be fine.  :laugh:

Didn't you know? Dutch and his team were all Colonial Marines.  :laugh:

Seriously though, I am really looking forward to see how this plays out. Who knows? We might hear some more lore from the Predator's point of view if that happens in the book. I really enjoyed those tidbits in South China Sea. Especially mentioning past hunts on other worlds.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 04, 2016, 03:05:34 PM
Is it wrong to say that I think they're trying to fix something that ain't broke?

It's only wrong to say they're trying to fix something.  It's just a spin on off-screen events like River of Pain.

Isolation, Out of the Shadows and River of Pain all turned out a lot better than their synopsis would suggest.

That's definitely true, I enjoyed all of those.

Quote from: SM on Aug 04, 2016, 08:57:43 PM
It's only wrong to say they're trying to fix something.  It's just a spin on off-screen events like River of Pain.

But the Thomas Brothers said that they had written the movie in mind originally with three Hunters but then since that didn't work out so well, they changed the story with the focus on ONE Hunter.. so... I'm trying to picture this in my head how this new story could fit. I mean to me, all the scenes in the Predator movie, for over twenty years... have indicated to me that it was the same and one Predator.

And this is just a new spin on it.

Since you're not likely to read it, it's probably not worth troubling yourself over.

That is the dumbest sounding prequel I've heard in a long damn time.

Up next: Kyle Reese was a T1000, a good Arnie T800 was sent back to stop him, killed the bad T800 that was also sent back along the way, killed the T1000 Kyle Reese but was mistaken for the bad Arnie T800 and crushed in the press while he tried to explain what was happening to Sarah Conner.

I agree that this sounds incredibly silly... Then again, it's the quality of the writing that will make or break it.
Either way I won't be considering this as canon unless The Predator explicitly includes allusions to it.

Next we'll hear that the Super Predators were actually good guys and the Crucified Predator was a horrid criminal who, along with his friends, brought the humans to the Preserve Planet. The Super Predators only started attacking because the humans constantly shot at them.  :laugh:

Wouldn't it make sense for a Bad Blood to kill Hopper's men...Good Pred kills BB.

Then GP decides to hunt Arnie and co. since he's on Earth...why not.

Seriously...right now this is sounding f**king moronic

Even if this twist is a bit silly, we'll still probably get some good Predator action, so I'm good with it. More excited about the anthology at the minute. Hopefully we get more Predator novels set in the future, like Flesh and Blood.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 05, 2016, 04:14:47 PM
Even if this twist is a bit silly, we'll still probably get some good Predator action, so I'm good with it. More excited about the anthology at the minute. Hopefully we get more Predator novels set in the future, like Flesh and Blood.

Or set in the far future like the Rage War.

I wonder what exactly makes the rogue, well, a rogue. Aren't "Bad Bloods" that because they kill innocent and completely helpless prey? Hopper and his men were military, exactly the kind of prey that "Good Bloods" like to hunt. So what did the rogue do that was so evil? Did it steal it's arsenal, or a ship? Or another Predator's trophies?

Hey, maybe that's why Dutch mistook the good Predator for the rogue, the good one had just gotten it's stolen helmet and trophies back! You see, when Dutch roared, the good one, who was really far away from it's ship, got really scared! That's why it fought Dutch! When it took off it's helmet and gear, it had gone through so much that it just wanted to beat Dutch to death! It self-destructed as a F you to him for his unprovoked assault!

But wait, why did it mimic Billy's laugh if it never killed him? Because the rogue mimicked it during it's last fight against the good one, who recorded it! Also, notice the Jungle Hunter never wore human skulls? Just those of small alien critters? That means it didn't hunt humans! Ever! Making the fate of Saint-Predator all the more tragic!

But seriously, this story might make more sense if the rogue killed the good one, and if their encounter happened completely off-screen in the first movie. Though if they wanted an hostile encounter between two Predators, they should have just written an original story about it.

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Basically how this makes me feel.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 05, 2016, 07:36:57 AM
That is the dumbest sounding prequel I've heard in a long damn time.

Up next: Kyle Reese was a T1000, a good Arnie T800 was sent back to stop him, killed the bad T800 that was also sent back along the way, killed the T1000 Kyle Reese but was mistaken for the bad Arnie T800 and crushed in the press while he tried to explain what was happening to Sarah Conner.

Fox could be watching this forum don't give them any ideas you fool!

Honestly I can't imagine why anyone thought this was a good idea. Pathetic desperation or otherwise.

Terrible premise, hope it turns out better than it sounds.

To me it sounds like they're trying to simplify and dumb down the Predator species as a whole, having "good guys" and "bad guys", instead of having a bunch of opportunistic intergalactic hunters that live for the thrill with a completely different set of ideals and morals, or the lack there off... Whatever, not going to read it anyways.

They've had good guy and bad guy Predators for over 20 years.  Then they put some in a film.

Quote from: SM on Aug 06, 2016, 03:25:41 AM
They've had good guy and bad guy Predators for over 20 years.  Then they put some in a film.

I guess I haven't paid much attention to the Predator EU then. I know about the bad-blood concept, but as far as I can remember they weren't truly bad guys, or maybe I'm not remembering it correctly. Anyways, I'm not a fan of the concept.

Interestingly Kevin Peter Hall referred to the City Hunter as a "bad blood" in press interviews.

I cannot imagine when the switch between Predators would even take place. The "rogue" cannot be the one to attack Dutch's team: it gets injured in the first encounter and still has its wounds at the end of the picture. Unless it kills it immediately after Hawkins/Blaine, but JUUUUUST before Mac opens fire, and somehow without the team finding the body? f**k.

Well...I'm not digging this concept. While I enjoyed River of Pain I found the retcons far too intrusive and unable to ignore compared to Out of the Shadows. I'll read this, of course, but I just can't see where it's going to fit in, why it's needed or how it was conceived.  :-\ I'm curious to see how it's done though. Hopefully it'll make sense.

More shoehorned awkwardness in novel format. Seriously, why do they keep letting these authors mess with things that don't need convoluted backstories?

Maybe the hunter who triggered Dutch's first trap was the "good" hunter, who had already dealt with the bad blood? Still doesn't explain how he had the bad blood's recordings of Mac and Billy though, unless he downloaded them from the dead bad blood's gear. Sounds a bit wonky and convoluted though..

It can't work without leaping through some ridiculous hoops :-\

There are some films which open themselves up to these creative explanations for plot holes and such, but Predator really isn't one of them.

Quote from: DUB1 on Aug 05, 2016, 06:00:07 PM
I wonder what exactly makes the rogue, well, a rogue. Aren't "Bad Bloods" that because they kill innocent and completely helpless prey? Hopper and his men were military, exactly the kind of prey that "Good Bloods" like to hunt. So what did the rogue do that was so evil? Did it steal it's arsenal, or a ship? Or another Predator's trophies?

Hey, maybe that's why Dutch mistook the good Predator for the rogue, the good one had just gotten it's stolen helmet and trophies back! You see, when Dutch roared, the good one, who was really far away from it's ship, got really scared! That's why it fought Dutch! When it took off it's helmet and gear, it had gone through so much that it just wanted to beat Dutch to death! It self-destructed as a F you to him for his unprovoked assault!

But wait, why did it mimic Billy's laugh if it never killed him? Because the rogue mimicked it during it's last fight against the good one, who recorded it! Also, notice the Jungle Hunter never wore human skulls? Just those of small alien critters? That means it didn't hunt humans! Ever! Making the fate of Saint-Predator all the more tragic!

But seriously, this story might make more sense if the rogue killed the good one, and if their encounter happened completely off-screen in the first movie. Though if they wanted an hostile encounter between two Predators, they should have just written an original story about it.

Good pred winning would work...

If bad pred is like a notorious pred murderer (past murders of other preds)

Bad pred happens to be on Earth...he kills Hopper's men
Good pred tracks him to Earth, engages and kills him.

Good pred is intrigued by local prey, decides to take on Dutch and crew

Terrible!!!

If it is done ala BTTFpt 2, it "could"  work.
Events in P1 from another angle, fleashing out what happened to Hopper and his team, caught between two hunters.

Has potential.

This sounds awful and so, so pointless. Its a needless retcon from the sounds of it

QuoteIn an ironic twist, however, he is mistaken for the rogue and attacked by Schaefer, who seeks to avenge his men."

This doesn't even make sense, the predator was seeking out dutch. Are we to believe this other pred was getting ready to pack his bags until he heard Dutch's yell?

The maniacal laugh when he decides to suicide bomb as well, seems a bit odd if he really has no connection to Dutch.

This will literally ruin the original movie. Even Dutch himself said "Bad idea". If the bad Predator is dead, why is the "good" one still trying to kill Dutch? Or have human skulls on him?

Horrible idea.

Why did the good Predator laugh like Billy? Why was he relentless about killing Dutch, to the point he brutalized him and toyed with him and about to kill him?

If the switch happened after the bad Predator lost Arnold near the river, then Dutch really did attack the good Predator first. But the good Predator was supposed to know there's a misunderstanding and should have just left the scene. But he's enjoying the moment when he's about to kill Dutch, so he can't be the good one.

And don't forget the writers and the director of the movie were all shooting the story of one Predator. They can't change that 30 years later. It's not what the movie itself had in mind. And this makes the whole movie less epic because one Predator is killed off screen and the other dies pretty soon.

Oh and don't forget, at the moment when Dutch starts his battle call, the supposedly good Predator is brushing up his skull trophy and then doing something with the lasers to his blades. Doesn't make sense at all.

Unless that was the bad Predator and we see him jumping on the branches, while all of a sudden we see a Predator behind Dutch. That Predator is investigating where the bad Predator is and gets attacked. He doesn't know it's Dutch and just sprays around. He can't see him like he wouldn't be able to see a Predator cloaked. That's why he takes his time to examine Dutch's head like in a surprise "Wait, are you really human?". But then why does he fight Dutch?

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I get the feeling Fox's book licensing department really hates its own series...

There really is no reason to do this. Somebody stop them.

Could just be a badly-written description. Maybe the switch doesn't happen at all in the events of the film, but before. The Predator that Dutch and his team fight is the good one, who sticks around after killing the rogue. If that's the case, I would be cool with it.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 06, 2016, 02:11:40 PM
Could just be a badly-written description. Maybe the switch doesn't happen at all in the events of the film, but before. The Predator that Dutch and his team fight is the good one, who sticks around after killing the rogue. If that's the case, I would be cool with it.

But then there's no "ironic twist", and the whole premise is worded around the idea of the switch happening after the rogue one killed Dutch's team.

Even I think this is a bad idea.  Just at first glance though.  But still, you can retcon the films in a series that went off the rails, but not the original.  Never the original.  Look at Terminator series.

The only way think there could be two is that it's the rogue that kills Hopper, Hawkins and Blain, steals Blain's corpse, and is then killed by the other one. This other Pred then falls into the trap that Dutch's team sets, kills the rest of the team, and then pursues and fights Dutch. It still has a lot of problems though, I.e. the good Pred utilizing the bad Pred's recordings and gear.

Just reading the synopsis, I was under the impression this happens after the events of Predator. Can't see how it could work any other way.

Also, if the first Pred Dutch and his team encountered was the bad one, why does he spare the unarmed and defenseless Anna? I was under the impression that bad bloods don't care much for that sort of thing and will kill just about anything, regardless of whether they're armed or worthy prey.

All I can say is... "Huh?"

That, and the Predator at the end of the movie, in its very last scene, is the same one who hears --and mimics-- Billy's laugh during its very first appearance (via POV) on screen. So...

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There are bad fan fictions that sound better than this idea, honestly.

Quote from: EJA on Aug 06, 2016, 03:52:32 PM
Also, if the first Pred Dutch and his team encountered was the bad one, why does he spare the unarmed and defenseless Anna? I was under the impression that bad bloods don't care much for that sort of thing and will kill just about anything, regardless of whether they're armed or worthy prey.

I don't think he ever spared Anna.  It's just that either he was too busy or didn't have the time to go after her. 

Updated the frontpage post to clarify it's considered a prequel novel to Predator, not as related to The Predator.

what sense does it have ? by this plot it seems like Dutch would go back to that jungle,,,, but why ?

The only logical way I see this happening is the rogue kills hopper and his men and the synopsis is mistaking them for dutches men as well one of them dies before ditches team gets in the jungle and the surviving one goes f**k it while I'm here I'll up my kill count, anything other than that is gonna cause more plot holes than Blaine's minigun makes bullet holes

Until I saw the update I was a little worried that since it seemed like this was an official prequel novel to The Predator that this meant Shane Black was going to retcon the original film in some way to make out like Dutch killed some sort of 'Predator cop' by mistake and that that might play a part in the new film somehow.  :-\

But now I can go back to being relieved that this just sounds like a completely unnecessary prequel (or "side-quel"? ??? ) to the original film, which has nothing to do with The Predator in any way, shape or form, and can easily be ignored. :D

Either way, that does not sound like a particularly good or necessary idea for a new tie-in story to me.

Quote from: Kailem on Aug 06, 2016, 07:01:15 PM
'Predator cop'

They do have enforcers, which are basically a Predator police force.

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And Jungle Hunter is clearly not an enforcer.

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Heh, all this time I thought the Enforcer was just a figure design that NECA had come up with. :P Yet another reason why I really need to read Bad Blood.

Bad Blood is a decent Predator comic, but the fights are a bit hard to follow and the human story is terrible.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 06, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
Bad Blood is a decent Predator comic, but the fights are a bit hard to follow and the human story is terrible.

I enjoyed the bit where the Enforcer does that hand sign to the humans.

Still feels contrived...

Another spin on the story would've been if a hunting party of three Predators went to the jungle war zone seen in P1. They have their fun, hunting and skinning people. Then Hopper's team shows up and the Predators set their eyes on them. All three of them want to hunt Hopper, so they have to settle the score beforehand. They spread out and then divide Hopper's team to hunt each member one-on-one. One of the Predators however, is not ok with not being the one getting Hopper, so it sets up a covert trap that ends up with Hopper and a few of his surviving men, killing the Predator granted to hunt Hopper and collect his sweet, sweet skull.

The two surviving Predators once again have to figure out who's getting Hopper. The scheming Predator and the other remaining Predator get into a fight ending up with the remaining Predator being severely wounded. Despite severe wounds it manages to escape and flees into the jungle.

The scheming Predator now goes after Hopper and finally kills him. Instead of just getting back on the ship and leave Earth, after collecting Hopper's skull, the scheming Predator decides to stay to find and kill/silence the remaining Predator as it doesn't want the rest of the clan to know about what happened.

At first it waits for the wounded Predator inside the ship, but the other Predator never shows up, so the scheming Predator fiddles with the ship and rigs it before heading back into the jungle again.

The two Predators meet up again right after Dutch's team finishes the assault at the Russians' camp. However, the wounded Predator is the one observing Dutch and his team; it's the wounded Predator that records Billie's laughter.

As Dutch's team proceeds back into the jungle the two remaining Predators meet again. The scheming Predator wins and kills its wounded hunting mate. Pours blue solvent over the body to cover their presence. But before erasing the body, it confiscates all its equipment, including the wrist computer to transfers all the data (including all voice samples, such as Billie's laughter) to its own wrist computer.

The scheming Predator analyzes the recordings and observations of Dutch and his team and decides to go on a last hunt before leaving Earth for this time, and the rest is history.

I don't know. Just freestyling here... Still doesn't add anything to the original movie, which makes the concept of the whole prequel story completely redundant in the end.

Well... I think mister Mayor Marvin Kuzak can put my feelings towards this development better than myself.

https://youtu.be/LyUMytNKa0c?t=1m20s

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Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 06, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
Bad Blood is a decent Predator comic, but the fights are a bit hard to follow and the human story is terrible.

I enjoyed the bit where the Enforcer does that hand sign to the humans.

I liked the end where the human character reveals the Enforcer asked to be killed because it was so wounded. I really want to see Enforcers or something like them in the films one day.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 06, 2016, 11:03:27 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 06, 2016, 09:12:05 PM

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 06, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
Bad Blood is a decent Predator comic, but the fights are a bit hard to follow and the human story is terrible.

I enjoyed the bit where the Enforcer does that hand sign to the humans.

I liked the end where the human character reveals the Enforcer asked to be killed because it was so wounded. I really want to see Enforcers or something like them in the films one day.

That'd be awesome to see.

Call the film "Bad Blood", it'd be similar to the title of the first Rambo film.  :P

Ugh.... "Yautja".

I guess if they think of some clever way to make this work, I'll be down for it but my intuition says they're just shoehorning this in for no reason other than marketing and that really sucks. If that's the case, we're better off with poorly written fan fiction.

Knock off of bad blood comic pretty damn weak

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 06, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
Bad Blood is a decent Predator comic, but the fights are a bit hard to follow and the human story is terrible.

Personally, from my first impression it's one of my favorites. Though I'll admit the Predator Vs. Predator fight was a tad hard to follow at times, but still leagues better than the one in Predators.

Enforcer almost had him, damn it.

If they chose to have this as a prequel to the new Predator movie I would've liked it. Not only would it be logical but it would also be advantageous to them, depending on what the actual plot is.

As a side note: When multiple films / universes combine together into one

The symbol on the Enforcer's helmet - it's pretty much a replica of the insignia the Visitors from the original "V" mini series / TV series that aired in the early 80s used...

http://tinyurl.com/go3jkfz

This is a terrible idea for a story. What is it with authors/producers/execs/whoever these days having to mess with every decent film ever made? Overexposition is bad storytelling mistake number one. I don't want to know see how Darth Vader became Darth Vader. I certainly don't want to see him as a six-year old kid. I don't want to see how the xenomorphs were created. I just can't see how this hack could think that wrecking a perfectly respectable story by someone else constitutes a novel. Get your own story! How hard is it? Do a little research, and a little thinking. Hands off P1 you cranks!

One thing about this that does please me is that the franchise will finally revisit the setting and characters of the very first Predator movie.

In a way that adds nothing to either.

I may be wrong or this has been said before...but it seems Fox is coming up with ideas on how to expand the storyline of older movies and giving a few pages to writers to complete the story...like in Alien: Out of the Shadows...

They've been doing this with Star Wars for a while, most of them have worked out ok.

Fox deleted previous comics and novels canon just so they can re-write Alien & Predator movies with these  shoehorned novels.

This may have already been mentioned, but didn't Anna tell a story in the original movie that heavily implied the predators have hunted that region before?

Okay... while I will consider reading this, it sounds tripe and off course with all the details in the film. LT is correct with Anna's story about the previous hunts in that region. Further pushes the details in the film will turn the events in this book. Oh well.

It even carried over to the sequel, in which the feds had solid intel about the predators being attracted to heat and conflict.  I can only assume that Anna and/or Dutch told the same story when they got debriefed/interrogated.

QuoteWhen I was little, we found a man. He looked like - like, butchered. The old woman in the village crossed themselves... and whispered crazy things, strange things. "El Diablo cazador de hombres." Only in the hottest years this happens. And this year, it grows hot. We begin finding our men. We found them sometimes without their skins... and sometimes much, much worse. "El cazador trofeo de los hombres" means the demon who makes trophies of men.

Maybe these novelists should watch the movies they're writing about.

To be fair, some of you people are acting like it's the author's fault when in fact it's the execs at Fox who commissioned him to write this story. The guy has almost no say in what to do, he can only make suggestions.

Like how Tim Lebbon was told to write a story about an alien race invading humans and Predators, but he instead said "how about we make this a rogue faction of humans instead of aliens?" And Fox happened to be ok with that.

But besides these small things, these guys have absolutely no control so it's hardly Christopher Golden's fault, he's just writing this, not making up the story... only filling in the blanks to the points provided for him.

If he left this project, then they'd get someone else to write the exact same story.

I never blamed the author much, I always figured it was dumbass company executives.

Quote from: Kaltes on Aug 07, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
I never blamed the author much, I always figured it was dumbass company executives.

Not pointing fingers at you mate. I just feel like some people here seem to be directly blaming the author while it's most likely company execs who called the shots here.

I fully understand the concerns though. Predator is a cult classic.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 07, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
In a way that adds nothing to either.

Yeah, that's my biggest issue actually. Sure, it would've been worse if it flat out contradicted the events in P1, but even so, why even throw money at a story that has no real purpose that would've worked better as an fun fact side-note? I know the answer (money), but still, there must be a boatload of other Predator manuscripts and stories out there worth taking a look at. This is just lazy and uninspiring.

QuoteThis will literally ruin the original movie.

"literally" lol

I can see my copy melting on the shelf already.

20th Century Fox reported today that archival copies of the film Predator were spontaneously combusting, while fans were saying that blu-rays had their soundtrack replaced with Yakety Sax on a continuous loop.

*facepalm*

There are plenty of directions we can take the Predator property and the best they can come up with is this? Yuck.

Quote from: SM on Aug 08, 2016, 01:57:16 AM
20th Century Fox reported today that archival copies of the film Predator were spontaneously combusting, while fans were saying that blu-rays had their soundtrack replaced with Yakety Sax on a continuous loop.

There are reports that the year 1987 is retroactively disappearing from history, to be replaced by a single novel.

I will only say this and will only say it once... NEVER EVER RETCON THE CLASSICS.  >:(

"Source material"

It's not like there's enough of these in the A/P franchise. Fingers crossed they won't do anything stupid.  :-X

I think it's time people chilled a bit.... We don't know if it's going to be retconned. All we know this will be set right before the first movie. Even if it turns out that Hopper's team was killed by this rogue, and the Predator we see in the movie is the second Predator, if that one kills the rogue at the end of the novel, nothing is retconned.
We'll see what happens, for all we know it turns into a great little read. And if it doesn't, meh, just forget about it. :)

The description says the Rogue hunts Arnie's team. The Predator can't kill the Rogue at the end of the novel because presumably it will have blown itself up.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 07, 2016, 08:09:27 PM
To be fair, some of you people are acting like it's the author's fault when in fact it's the execs at Fox who commissioned him to write this story. The guy has almost no say in what to do, he can only make suggestions.

Like how Tim Lebbon was told to write a story about an alien race invading humans and Predators, but he instead said "how about we make this a rogue faction of humans instead of aliens?" And Fox happened to be ok with that.

But besides these small things, these guys have absolutely no control so it's hardly Christopher Golden's fault, he's just writing this, not making up the story... only filling in the blanks to the points provided for him.

If he left this project, then they'd get someone else to write the exact same story.

Indeed. It's massively important to remember this. I imagine this was a mandated story from Fox. Hopefully we'll find out more about the history later.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Aug 06, 2016, 02:11:40 PM
Could just be a badly-written description. Maybe the switch doesn't happen at all in the events of the film, but before. The Predator that Dutch and his team fight is the good one, who sticks around after killing the rogue. If that's the case, I would be cool with it.

Seconded

It would be an interesting twist to Hopper's demise

I think a late Predator switcheroo is really dumb and pointless

An earlier switcharoo is equally pointless, unless used to set up later stories.

Got nothing against whoever's writing it, or even whoever thought it up: the idea is more than enough to attack!

This makes no sense whatsoever.


It is a prequel story, but involves the original story? Sounds like a remake, instead of a prequel.

So the good Predator must have stopped the bad after the bad one stole Blaine's body?  Why didn't the good Predator, just leave?  Why did he stay?   I am confused on this one.  Sounds like crap

Quote from: me on Aug 08, 2016, 03:03:53 PM
Why didn't the good Predator, just leave?  Why did he stay?   I am confused on this one.  Sounds like crap

Because it is crap.

This is bullshit. It's an unnecessary change that doesn't do anything but detract from the mythos. I can't believe they're going to do this.

im going to guess this was done because of the new movie. It's done to ease a similar plot element in the new movie.


I havent read the whole thread but did anyone make this joke, already?

New Alien prequel!

Kane's Son, an evil alien, was killing the crew of the Nostromo when the good alien, Big Chap, came in and stopped him.
He got tired and was having a bit of a lie-down but Ripley confused Big Chap with Kane's Son and killed him.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 08, 2016, 08:24:15 AM
The description says the Rogue hunts Arnie's team. The Predator can't kill the Rogue at the end of the novel because presumably it will have blown itself up.

Yeah, just noticed that. Must have misread the blurb the first time.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 09, 2016, 07:07:27 AMKane's Son, an evil alien, was killing the crew of the Nostromo when the good alien, Big Chap, came in and stopped him.
He got tired and was having a bit of a lie-down but Ripley confused Big Chap with Kane's Son and killed him.

No I got a even better one!

The Alien Queen in the Sulaco at the end of Aliens isn't the Queen that was in the Hive it was actually Big Chap! who after 50 years drifting alone near LV-426 has evolved into a Queen and during the course of the film drifts over to the Sulaco and manages to enter it just in time and get into the Drop-Ship with no one noticing.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 09, 2016, 07:07:27 AM
im going to guess this was done because of the new movie. It's done to ease a similar plot element in the new movie.


I havent read the whole thread but did anyone make this joke, already?

New Alien prequel!

Kane's Son, an evil alien, was killing the crew of the Nostromo when the good alien, Big Chap, came in and stopped him.
He got tired and was having a bit of a lie-down but Ripley confused Big Chap with Kane's Son and killed him.

Quote from: g2vd on Aug 09, 2016, 09:37:42 AM
No I got a even better one!

The Alien Queen in the Sulaco at the end of Aliens isn't the Queen that was in the Hive it was actually Big Chap! who after 50 years drifting alone near LV-426 has evolved into a Queen and during the course of the film drifts over to the Sulaco and manages to enter it just in time and get into the Drop-Ship with no one noticing.

LOLOLOL

Maybe Dutch was killed by his evil twin as well


So it was evil Dutch vs. good Jungle Hunter

The geniuses at Fox already came up with something similar for the Allien side of things. Just read Out of the Shadows. Ripley goes on this whole bullshyte mission that takes place before the events of Aliens. Than is magically put back to sleep with her memory swiped.

Who is coming up with these ideas at Fox...good try but try harder..they have this need to tie everything to Alien and Predator as if they can't come up with another billion storylines from another billion parts of the galaxy. Seriously who comes up with these ideas at Fox. Let's pick up the phone and call him/her and ask them if they're ok.

HAHA Honestly Big Chap Alien who killed Kane's son and took a nap and got killed by Ripley, still sounds much better than Good Predator deciding to stay and fight Arnie for some reason.

Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 09, 2016, 10:49:47 AM
The geniuses at Fox already came up with something similar for the Allien side of things. Just read Out of the Shadows. Ripley goes on this whole bullshyte mission that takes place before the events of Aliens. Than is magically put back to sleep with her memory swiped.

Oh dear God that sounds awful.

I feel for you Predator fans, assuming the synopsis is accurate.  I will remain open to something good coming out, but, so far... you have my sympathies.   :'(

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 09, 2016, 05:25:56 PM
I feel for you Predator fans, assuming the synopsis is accurate.  I will remain open to something good coming out, but, so far... you have my sympathies.   :'(

Fox:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwearemoviegeeks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fash1-560x288.jpg&hash=8877f9337d148d7f036a51abd55aead0fd676810)

Quote from: g2vd on Aug 09, 2016, 05:51:09 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 09, 2016, 05:25:56 PM
I feel for you Predator fans, assuming the synopsis is accurate.  I will remain open to something good coming out, but, so far... you have my sympathies.   :'(

Fox:
http://wearemoviegeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/ash1-560x288.jpg

Yah, exactly..

Quote from: g2vd on Aug 09, 2016, 05:51:09 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 09, 2016, 05:25:56 PM
I feel for you Predator fans, assuming the synopsis is accurate.  I will remain open to something good coming out, but, so far... you have my sympathies.   :'(

Fox:
http://wearemoviegeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/ash1-560x288.jpg

The fans:

2:30

The fans:
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/516cb3993e6758b2cb15ad16aaeab270/tumblr_nhum8kQwZR1qgyrhco1_500.gif)

So I think it's safe to say this is not a popular concept.

Nice one, Alien Predator! But I think I have a better one..

The Fans: Skip to 1:20.

Although 1:45 is my attitude on well... everything so far!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
So I think it's safe to say this is not a popular concept.

So..no Predator prequel 2?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 09, 2016, 07:53:58 PM
Nice one, Alien Predator! But I think I have a better one..

The Fans: Skip to 1:20.

Although 1:45 is my attitude on well... everything so far!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUMytNKa0c

LOL at Fox's response.

"Give it your BEST shot!" *mentally counting profits*

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
So I think it's safe to say this is not a popular concept.

I'm not really surprised at the reaction. I think the idea of two Predators racing across space, one being an Arbitrator chasing a Rogue is quite a good idea.

The problem here being is that it's being shoe-horned into the first movie. I think it would've been better received had it been a true "prequel", as in "took place before the first film."

Where Anytime kills the Rogue, and then decides that "eh, since I'm here, I might as well enjoy my safari." It will further reinforce the idea that yes, this is a Predator "cop"... he is in no way a good guy, he is a Predator.

Imagine it ending with him clearing evidence of the Rogue's body, and then he hears chopper noises... the Hunt begins...

Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 09, 2016, 08:05:36 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2016, 07:47:02 PM
So I think it's safe to say this is not a popular concept.

So...Christopher, no Predator prequel 2 I take it? lol

It's Fox you should be asking, not Christopher. He could leave and they'll just get someone else to write the very same story.  :)

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
LOL at Fox's response.

"Give it your BEST shot!" *mentally counting profits*

Unfortunately this... is very true.. So true in fact, we're suckers for it. All of it..

Unless you're really passionate about what is and should be... I don't see many of us boycotting.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 09, 2016, 08:34:00 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:09:19 PM
LOL at Fox's response.

"Give it your BEST shot!" *mentally counting profits*

Unfortunately this... is very true.. So true in fact, we're suckers for it. All of it..

Unless you're really passionate about what is and should be... I don't see many of us boycotting.

Yeah, I'll most likely be giving this a shot as I plan not to miss any books of this franchise. I learned that the hard way with South China Sea once it got to ridiculous prices.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:49:36 PM
Yeah, I'll most likely be giving this a shot as I plan not to miss any books of this franchise. I learned that the hard way with South China Sea once it got to ridiculous prices.

Well what I mean is this, like... if you disagree on where they're going with the franchises, especially where they are, in my mind, more or less undermining the source material... why support it? I'm not ragging on you or anyone who wants to buy this and say it's good but... where do you draw the line and say no more?

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 09, 2016, 09:12:43 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:49:36 PM
Yeah, I'll most likely be giving this a shot as I plan not to miss any books of this franchise. I learned that the hard way with South China Sea once it got to ridiculous prices.

Well what I mean is this, like... if you disagree on where they're going with the franchises, especially where they are, in my mind, more or less undermining the source material... why support it? I'm not ragging on you or anyone who wants to buy this and say it's good but... where do you draw the line and say no more?

I don't really have an answer to that to be honest. I am enjoying what they have shown in the current novels and comics so far and am always up for some new Alien and Predator material.

I mean, I am one of those that loves Resurrection and AvP-R simply because it tells a story and has my favourite monsters in it, so it's hard for me to draw a line.

I used to hate the idea of there being more alien civilizations, but to my shock, I was fine when Sea of Sorrows confirms there's loads out there.

But I was even more against the whole wormhole and hyperspace travel idea, preferring physical FTL in my Alien. But again, to my shock, I was totally fine with Rage War introducing Drop Holes and even the multiverse, something you know personally I was against.

So at this point, I don't know where to draw the line because even if I did, I'd probably be fine with it if they made it happen anyway.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 09, 2016, 09:12:43 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:49:36 PM
Yeah, I'll most likely be giving this a shot as I plan not to miss any books of this franchise. I learned that the hard way with South China Sea once it got to ridiculous prices.

Well what I mean is this, like... if you disagree on where they're going with the franchises, especially where they are, in my mind, more or less undermining the source material... why support it? I'm not ragging on you or anyone who wants to buy this and say it's good but... where do you draw the line and say no more?

The catch 22 is - you don't have the first idea about how this will turn out and whether it will actually undermine the source material and if it's actually an entertaining read - until you've read it.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 09:31:34 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 09, 2016, 09:12:43 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:49:36 PM
Yeah, I'll most likely be giving this a shot as I plan not to miss any books of this franchise. I learned that the hard way with South China Sea once it got to ridiculous prices.

Well what I mean is this, like... if you disagree on where they're going with the franchises, especially where they are, in my mind, more or less undermining the source material... why support it? I'm not ragging on you or anyone who wants to buy this and say it's good but... where do you draw the line and say no more?

I don't really have an answer to that to be honest. I am enjoying what they have shown in the current novels and comics so far and am always up for some new Alien and Predator material.

I mean, I am one of those that loves Resurrection and AvP-R simply because it tells a story and has my favourite monsters in it, so it's hard for me to draw a line.

I used to hate the idea of there being more alien civilizations, but to my shock, I was fine when Sea of Sorrows confirms there's loads out there.

But I was even more against the whole wormhole and hyperspace travel idea, preferring physical FTL in my Alien. But again, to my shock, I was totally fine with Rage War introducing Drop Holes and even the multiverse, something you know personally I was against.

So at this point, I don't know where to draw the line because even if I did, I'd probably be fine with it if they made it happen anyway.

I like your outlook on things Alien Predator. I need to be more positive too lol. I guess we just need to take the good with the bad and move on. People are happy that Fox is pushing out more product just annoyed that it could be done smarter.

Best thing is probably just send an email to the company and let them know a lot of people are scratching their heads with some of their ideas. Hopefully they don't send you the Ash you have my sympathies smiley lol.

Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 09, 2016, 10:30:55 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 09:31:34 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 09, 2016, 09:12:43 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:49:36 PM
Yeah, I'll most likely be giving this a shot as I plan not to miss any books of this franchise. I learned that the hard way with South China Sea once it got to ridiculous prices.

Well what I mean is this, like... if you disagree on where they're going with the franchises, especially where they are, in my mind, more or less undermining the source material... why support it? I'm not ragging on you or anyone who wants to buy this and say it's good but... where do you draw the line and say no more?

I don't really have an answer to that to be honest. I am enjoying what they have shown in the current novels and comics so far and am always up for some new Alien and Predator material.

I mean, I am one of those that loves Resurrection and AvP-R simply because it tells a story and has my favourite monsters in it, so it's hard for me to draw a line.

I used to hate the idea of there being more alien civilizations, but to my shock, I was fine when Sea of Sorrows confirms there's loads out there.

But I was even more against the whole wormhole and hyperspace travel idea, preferring physical FTL in my Alien. But again, to my shock, I was totally fine with Rage War introducing Drop Holes and even the multiverse, something you know personally I was against.

So at this point, I don't know where to draw the line because even if I did, I'd probably be fine with it if they made it happen anyway.

I like your outlook on things Alien Predator. I need to be more positive too lol. I guess we just need to take the good with the bad and move on. People are happy that Fox is pushing out more product just annoyed that it could be done smarter. Best thing is probably just send an email to the company and let them know a lot of people are scratching their heads with some of their ideas. Hopefully they don't send you the Ash you have sympathies smiley lol.

Thanks Nostromo. I think that's a good idea to try and email them. Maybe even ask Christopher Golden about the synopsis, he might have a better explanation for it because synopsises don't paint the whole picture (because all the missing pieces are in the story XD )

I personally thought that was a cool twist about there being another Predator in P1, but I imagined this book being before the film until I re-read the synopsis and saw it mention him hunt Dutch's team.

Perhaps the story will properly explain why the Predator looks the same in the film, and why he has Billy's laugh etc. Some fans have pointed out theories that make sense. I remember one of the NECA toys has this Predator who likes to steal trophies and technology from other Predators.

So with that in mind, this guy could've stolen Anytime's gear and was being chased across the galaxy to Earth. Anytime kills the Rogue after Rogue attacked Dutch's team, gets his gear back and disposes of the body before he either decides to have a nice opportunistic hunt (might as well lol), or gets attacked by Dutch who mistakenly thinks he's the Rogue and Anytime being a good Predator that he is, just can't resist the fight.

Goodator's mask gets smashed, so when he beats Badator, he takes his.

Both Predators could've heard the laugh.

Now I am actually excited for this. I can imagine the scene in my head, Badator observes Billy and records his laugh while Goodator is observing Badator, not striking yet because he doesn't want to attract the formidable firepower of Dutch and his men. He proceeds to watch Badator begin his hunt, hoping that Dutch's men might make his job easier and kill the Rogue for him.

Quote from: Kaltes on Aug 09, 2016, 07:23:24 PM
The fans:
https://66.media.tumblr.com/516cb3993e6758b2cb15ad16aaeab270/tumblr_nhum8kQwZR1qgyrhco1_500.gif

HAHA!

That's the best one!

Quote from: g2vd on Aug 09, 2016, 11:52:44 PM

Quote from: Kaltes on Aug 09, 2016, 07:23:24 PM
The fans:
https://66.media.tumblr.com/516cb3993e6758b2cb15ad16aaeab270/tumblr_nhum8kQwZR1qgyrhco1_500.gif

HAHA!

That's the best one!

I love this forum.  :laugh:

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:09:19 PM

Imagine it ending with him clearing evidence of the Rogue's body, and then he hears chopper noises... the Hunt begins...

I would have no problem with this

Except I think it should simply be Cop tracking Rogue to a remote backwater hunting ground...Earth

Not a literal car chase in space

I'm hoping the synopsis is just unclear and it turns out that the rogue is the Predator who ends up taking out Hopper's men. The two Predators do their thing off screen and the Enforcer (or whoever) gets distracted by all Dutch's antics at the rebel's base.

Just found out about this little titbit.
http://titanbooks.com/kong-skull-island-the-official-movie-novelization-8728/

Quote from: felix on Aug 12, 2016, 12:06:11 PM
Just found out about this little titbit.
http://titanbooks.com/kong-skull-island-the-official-movie-novelization-8728/

I was excited when TIm Lebbon announced that he is writing the Skull Island novelization.

Oi, why not just write a new Predator story all together?? If they go this route, it really begs the question where the bad Predator was the entire time. But you're really ruining a classic by doing this.

The book is still a year off. I am sure they'll be more revisions till then.

How is it being ruined?

Quote from: felix on Aug 14, 2016, 07:19:03 AM
The book is still a year off. I am sure they'll be more revisions till then.

Doesn't mean it'll be better though.

Quote from: Kaltes on Aug 14, 2016, 06:14:31 PM

Quote from: felix on Aug 14, 2016, 07:19:03 AM
The book is still a year off. I am sure they'll be more revisions till then.

Doesn't mean it'll be better though.

Or it could be if they are careful with making sure it makes sense.

I think people are getting a bit too salty over this. Let's wait and see if the book actually is good or not first before we cast judgement based on a small synopsis which at this stage could be changed drastically.

Because the amount of salt in this thread is starting to get absurd. I can understand people having an opinion and not liking the way a synopsis sounds, but Jesus Christ, to sum up what I remember some people saying over the days - "this has ruined a classic", "I will never look at Predator the same way", "this is rebooting a classic film".

Guys, simply don't read it then, you'd be surprised how loudly your Wallet speaks to Fox. You can still enjoy Predator in the same way you always have. No one will take that away lol. If you like Anytime being there on safari alone, then that's your own enjoyment.

That's the whole beauty of this franchise, films come first and you can ignore novels and comics because those are supplementary materials. Some fan might be like "oh, this book states there's another Predator in P1? Interesting, I wanna check that out" while everyone else could freely ignore it and frankly not miss out on much.

This won't be as game changing for the entire franchise as say, Alien 5 and whatnot. The EU has always taken a back seat behind the movies. I mean, how many people actually read the books? There are more people who have seen the films, played the games and probably even read the comics compared to those who buy and read these novels. Novels do seem like a niche thing to me.

So you all have literally nothing to worry about! Let's wait and see if this book actually does goof or if it sucks, time will tell, not predictions. Alien: River of Pain was enjoyable to me so I am optimistic with the author here.

Quote from: Nostromo on Aug 09, 2016, 10:49:47 AM
The geniuses at Fox already came up with something similar for the Allien side of things. Just read Out of the Shadows. Ripley goes on this whole bullshyte mission that takes place before the events of Aliens. Than is magically put back to sleep with her memory swiped.

Who is coming up with these ideas at Fox...good try but try harder..they have this need to tie everything to Alien and Predator as if they can't come up with another billion storylines from another billion parts of the galaxy. Seriously who comes up with these ideas at Fox. Let's pick up the phone and call him/her and ask them if they're ok.

While I agree it is unnecessary to do all these rewrites and "filling in gaps of time" between the major stories (i.e. movies), I must insist you listen to the Alien Out of the Shadows audio drama. It is absolutely fantastic and I hope more get made. It even uses plenty of sound effects from Isolation so it will be right up your alley.

Quote from: SM on Aug 09, 2016, 11:27:51 PM
Goodator's mask gets smashed, so when he beats Badator, he takes his.

Both Predators could've heard the laugh.

Are we really calling them that? Oh that is funny.

Quote from: happypred on Aug 11, 2016, 02:19:00 AM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:09:19 PM

Imagine it ending with him clearing evidence of the Rogue's body, and then he hears chopper noises... the Hunt begins...

I would have no problem with this

Except I think it should simply be Cop tracking Rogue to a remote backwater hunting ground...Earth

Not a literal car chase in space

This would be interesting as well. I think they can truly make this work if done in the right time frame. Would be terribly silly to have them jump back and forth between Goodator and Badator throughout the events of the film. 

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Quote from: DaddyYautja on Aug 09, 2016, 07:07:27 AM
im going to guess this was done because of the new movie. It's done to ease a similar plot element in the new movie.


I havent read the whole thread but did anyone make this joke, already?

New Alien prequel!

Kane's Son, an evil alien, was killing the crew of the Nostromo when the good alien, Big Chap, came in and stopped him.
He got tired and was having a bit of a lie-down but Ripley confused Big Chap with Kane's Son and killed him.

I had to go back and reread this because this is brilliant. If this new novel sucks, please print this post and iron it on a t shirt. I'll even buy one.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2016, 07:27:55 AM
I'm hoping the synopsis is just unclear and it turns out that the rogue is the Predator who ends up taking out Hopper's men. The two Predators do their thing off screen and the Enforcer (or whoever) gets distracted by all Dutch's antics at the rebel's base.

Agreed...this would be fine

Quote from: SM on Aug 09, 2016, 10:17:02 PM

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Aug 09, 2016, 09:12:43 PM

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Aug 09, 2016, 08:49:36 PM
Yeah, I'll most likely be giving this a shot as I plan not to miss any books of this franchise. I learned that the hard way with South China Sea once it got to ridiculous prices.

Well what I mean is this, like... if you disagree on where they're going with the franchises, especially where they are, in my mind, more or less undermining the source material... why support it? I'm not ragging on you or anyone who wants to buy this and say it's good but... where do you draw the line and say no more?

The catch 22 is - you don't have the first idea about how this will turn out and whether it will actually undermine the source material and if it's actually an entertaining read - until you've read it.

That happened to me once.  The novel was entitled The Crystal Star.

Quite.

Quote from: SM on Aug 16, 2016, 12:12:51 AMQuite.

Does this novel take place in the same universe as the SMTM-referenced EU works that you listed for me before?

Quote from: happypred on Aug 15, 2016, 04:53:11 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 12, 2016, 07:27:55 AM
I'm hoping the synopsis is just unclear and it turns out that the rogue is the Predator who ends up taking out Hopper's men. The two Predators do their thing off screen and the Enforcer (or whoever) gets distracted by all Dutch's antics at the rebel's base.

Agreed...this would be fine

Eh, it sounds a tad better.

It would be much better if  the novel was about how jungle hunter was in  the emerald forest teaching his young son predator how to hunt humans and how after dutch killed him the child yautja is raised by indigenous tribes  learns english and wears his fathers biomask  under his own mask. So that when he finally finds dutch after the major has settled down.  And had a family. He kidnaps shaefers  young daughter( like mid teens .same  age as the young hunter) he takes his mask off to reveal  jungle hunters mask and dutch is like oh shit.  But  he decides not to kill him because he has fallen in love with dutchs daughter. Seing mercy she falls for him as well and leaves with him on a ship he takes from area 51......... or ya know.  NOt f**k up predator cannon. And just give us the low down on what happened to hopper and his men.   . ignore me. Im grumpy as hell today.

Quote from: RaZorbakk on Aug 18, 2016, 04:20:18 AM
It would be much better if  the novel was about how jungle hunter was in  the emerald forest teaching his young son predator how to hunt humans and how after dutch killed him the child yautja is raised by indigenous tribes  learns english and wears his fathers biomask  under his own mask. So that when he finally finds dutch after the major has settled down.  And had a family. He kidnaps shaefers  young daughter( like mid teens .same  age as the young hunter) he takes his mask off to reveal  jungle hunters mask and dutch is like oh shit.  But  he decides not to kill him because he has fallen in love with dutchs daughter. Seing mercy she falls for him as well and leaves with him on a ship he takes from area 51.........

Predator 5: Vengeance For Jungie!

By B-Rad G.

I would totally read that. :D

Yeah, though I still just don't understand why Fox has to keep going back to the original films. I mean River Of Pain at least had a reason to exist somewhat, whereas this Predator Prequel just doesn't in my opinion I mean really there's not much to tell besides jamming some stuff in the book that was never the original intent and nothing like the film showed.

Quote from: g2vd on Aug 18, 2016, 12:48:53 PM
Yeah, though I still just don't understand why Fox has to keep going back to the original films.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXDwIo5_AMo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXDwIo5_AMo)

Quoteor ya know.  NOt f**k up predator cannon.

Don't sweat it.  The only thing canon to the first Predator movie is the first Predator movie.

Thank you. Thatmakes me feel better somehow.  Right here *thumps his chest*. Right in the chest burster.

As many here will already be aware, a forthcoming novel will reveal that, during the first PREDATOR movie, there were actually TWO Predators present: One a renegade, the other apparently sent to kill the first. Dutch ended up killing the latter. Pure guesswork on my part, but I have a suspicion they're going to try and make out the "evil" Predator is still active in Val Verde.

The plot description said the renegade is killed by the other Predator.

They've removed the Plot Description from the BNC List Description. So i suspect it could be something new now.

Although an interesting theory I don't believe that the new film would adapt this plot. I can only speculate based on Black's commentary of how he had been approaching this film with a fresh new approach.

Merged with existing topic.

Why not have there be 2 Dutches as well!

Unknown to Dutch, the CIA has created a clone of him. Dillon had provided the CIA with Dutch's DNA in the form of some inexplicable stains on Dillon's bedsheet.

Even as good pred was shadowing bad pred in the jungle, clone Dutch was also shadowing real Dutch.

Good pred takes out bad pred off-screen. Clone Dutch kills real Dutch some time after the lagoon scene

In the end, it was good pred vs. clone Dutch...epic twist

There's Dutch and Master Sgt. William Candy from Terminator 3!  :laugh:

Quote from: happypred on Oct 25, 2016, 10:41:24 AM
Why not have there be 2 Dutches as well!

Unknown to Dutch, the CIA has created a clone of him. Dillon had provided the CIA with Dutch's DNA in the form of some inexplicable stains on Dillon's bedsheet.

Even as good pred was shadowing bad pred in the jungle, clone Dutch was also shadowing real Dutch.

Good pred takes out bad pred off-screen. Clone Dutch kills real Dutch some time after the lagoon scene

In the end, it was good pred vs. clone Dutch...epic twist

Hahahaha...I'm imitating that crazy Pred laugh. Talk about beating a dead horse with a baseball bat. No, a sledgehammer actually. :)

How about this: the 2nd Arnold clone was there all along as well, and he ends up fighting and killing the other Predator which has been following the original Arnold. At some point the clone Arnold comes into a face to face meet with....no sorry, that plot was from Back to the Future, 2 or 3, can't remember.

Forget everything I said lol.

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Quote from: Ultramorph on Oct 25, 2016, 11:31:15 AM
There's Dutch and Master Sgt. William Candy from Terminator 3!  :laugh:

Instead of Jesse Ventura, they could bring in Sgt. Slaughter for this one.

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Well then...

Yeah, not so keen on the idea of this.

While I am still interesting to read it and see how they might patch this idea together, I do wonder how much influence this forum has on the creators. There's been lots of negativity so I wonder if they've gone back to rewrite some things since

Quote from: felix on Oct 25, 2016, 06:46:47 AM
They've removed the Plot Description from the BNC List Description. So i suspect it could be something new now.

Quote from: happypred on Oct 25, 2016, 10:41:24 AM
Why not have there be 2 Dutches as well!

Aren't there two Dutches already? He's got a brother Dutch in the comics who's a cop.

I wonder if the idea for the book was cooked up in a Dutch Oven? :P

The guy in the comic is Dutch's brother.

Who only ever went by Schaefer if I remember rightly.

Think so.  Not sure he was ever given a first name.

Nope. Apparently he's like Sting.

Was actually pretty surprised the book didn't even bother to give him a first name.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2016, 08:18:47 AM
Who only ever went by Schaefer if I remember rightly.

Correct, he was only known as either Schaefer or Detective Schaefer.

I thought his name was Butch

Nope, it was just Schaefer or Schaef.

Quote from: felix on Aug 04, 2016, 05:33:52 AM
Found this by accident on BNC CataLists
https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=6340491

Release Date: May 30th

"The official prequel to the original film. Two Predators race through space, one a rogue, the other in pursuit. Their conflict brings them to Earth, where the rogue launches the assault on "Dutch" Schaefer and his unit, as seen in the 1987 movie Predator. The pursuing Yautja arrives and stops the rogue. In an ironic twist, however, he is mistaken for the rogue and attacked by Schaefer, who seeks to avenge his men."

What?  >:(

*fixed quote. Hicks.

You read it.  I thought it was clear.

Bring back lifeform. Priority One.

All other priorities rescinded.

I really do not like the sound of this book. I'll be missing this one same as I miss 'Out of the Shadows.'

Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2016, 10:33:18 AM
You read it.  I thought it was clear.

I've missed your dry sarcasm.  :D

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Quote from: SM on Dec 10, 2016, 10:33:18 AM
You read it.  I thought it was clear.

I've missed your dry sarcasm.  :D

I was sitting there for a few seconds confused and wondering why Hicks edited your post, what needed fixing with the quote?  :P

What I wrote was put into the quote itself. It looked like I hadn't written a new post at all.

Oh, I get it now, thanks.

What ever happened to this? Is it still coming out?

Can't say I was too thrilled about the concept, but I was pleasantly surprised by similar efforts like alien isolation and out of the shadows. I was recently looking for a pre-order option on amazon but I can't find it anywhere... is it still too far out, or has this been cancelled or something?

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Never mind the link on the first post says "cancelled"

Bummer

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Sorry for the triple post... but I wonder if this story, or some version of it, will be in the anthology "if it bleeds"
I don't see Christopher Golden listed as an author in the anthology though, so doubtful probably...

I wonder if the cancellation had anything to do with the reaction in this thread.

Honestly the announcement of this book was the first time that I really didn't want something Alien or Predator. I think it sounded awful.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Mar 29, 2017, 07:07:59 PM
I wonder if the cancellation had anything to do with the reaction in this thread.

I'm curious if the author had began writing when this was cancelled.

I remember when the Star Trek vs Aliens comics were cancelled before release, one of the artists had already began work on some concept covers and didn't even know about the cancellation until he saw the news on this forum.

Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 29, 2017, 07:21:26 PM
Honestly the announcement of this book was the first time that I really didn't want something Alien or Predator. I think it sounded awful.

I felt the same way about alien isolation. That has ended up being my favorite addition to the series aside from the original trilogy of alien films. Out of the shadows' audio drama was a close second to alien isolation too. I would have been willing to give it a chance, but if it had turned out bad my criticism would have been heavy. Haha.

I think the main criticism people had was not the idea behind the plot, but the fact that it messes with the first film.

If they had kept the idea:

* Rogue Predator being chased by Arbitrator across space and hides in a jungle on Earth.

* Arbitrator hunts Rogue who is killing humans in the jungle and kills the Rogue.

* Humans mistake Arbitrator for Rogue and attack him, forcing the alien to defend itself and take an opportunity for a little hunt since he's already on a hunting ground.

But with no connection to Arnold or the first film. It could be somewhere in South America, during a drug war. Or it could even be on a topical jungle like South China Sea was, there's lots of jungles to pick from and conflicts with various human factions involved. It could even have been 'Nam where the Rogue attacks Viet Cong and American soldiers.

The Arbitrator could just destroy the Rogue via its self destruct and then be mistaken not due to "taking his gear back", but simply due to looking non-human and being attacked because his description would match the Rogue. How would the human characters tell it apart from the Rogue due to its otherworldly appearance? They won't care, they see Mr. Tall n' Scary and they attack it lol.

That was another gripe about the plot of the novel, Rogue and Anytime would have a virtually identical appearance in basically every way. While if this had no connection to the film, our imaginations would be able to fill in the descriptions of Rogue and Arbitrator.

Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 29, 2017, 08:28:36 PM
I think the main criticism people had was not the idea behind the plot, but the fact that it messes with the first film.

If they had kept the idea:

* Rogue Predator being chased by Arbitrator across space and hides in a jungle on Earth.

* Arbitrator hunts Rogue who is killing humans in the jungle and kills the Rogue.

* Humans mistake Arbitrator for Rogue and attack him, forcing the alien to defend itself and take an opportunity for a little hunt since he's already on a hunting ground.

But with no connection to Arnold or the first film. It could be somewhere in South America, during a drug war. Or it could even be on a topical jungle like South China Sea was, there's lots of jungles to pick from and conflicts with various human factions involved. It could even have been 'Nam where the Rogue attacks Viet Cong and American soldiers.

The Arbitrator could just destroy the Rogue via its self destruct and then be mistaken not due to "taking his gear back", but simply due to looking non-human and being attacked because his description would match the Rogue. How would the human characters tell it apart from the Rogue due to its otherworldly appearance? They won't care, they see Mr. Tall n' Scary and they attack it lol.

That was another gripe about the plot of the novel, Rogue and Anytime would have a virtually identical appearance in basically every way. While if this had no connection to the film, our imaginations would be able to fill in the descriptions of Rogue and Arbitrator.

Unless rogue was never shown in the movie... perhaps the idea was to imply rogue was always cloaked and we never saw the predator decloaked until the switch was made... just a thought. I'd have to go back and read the original synopsis to see if that was possible based on the story that was implied... but nah... no need to worry much about it now that it's cancelled...

I just listened to the Out of the Shadows audio drama. I thought it was great. Work as a good alternate sequel to alien.

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Quote from: The Alien Predator on Mar 29, 2017, 08:28:36 PM
I think the main criticism people had was not the idea behind the plot, but the fact that it messes with the first film.

If they had kept the idea:

* Rogue Predator being chased by Arbitrator across space and hides in a jungle on Earth.

* Arbitrator hunts Rogue who is killing humans in the jungle and kills the Rogue.

* Humans mistake Arbitrator for Rogue and attack him, forcing the alien to defend itself and take an opportunity for a little hunt since he's already on a hunting ground.

But with no connection to Arnold or the first film. It could be somewhere in South America, during a drug war. Or it could even be on a topical jungle like South China Sea was, there's lots of jungles to pick from and conflicts with various human factions involved. It could even have been 'Nam where the Rogue attacks Viet Cong and American soldiers.

The Arbitrator could just destroy the Rogue via its self destruct and then be mistaken not due to "taking his gear back", but simply due to looking non-human and being attacked because his description would match the Rogue. How would the human characters tell it apart from the Rogue due to its otherworldly appearance? They won't care, they see Mr. Tall n' Scary and they attack it lol.

That was another gripe about the plot of the novel, Rogue and Anytime would have a virtually identical appearance in basically every way. While if this had no connection to the film, our imaginations would be able to fill in the descriptions of Rogue and Arbitrator.

Unless rogue was never shown in the movie... perhaps the idea was to imply rogue was always cloaked and we never saw the predator decloaked until the switch was made... just a thought. I'd have to go back and read the original synopsis to see if that was possible based on the story that was implied... but nah... no need to worry much about it now that it's cancelled...

That could have possibly worked, the Predator did spend a lot of time cloaked in the beginning.

Out of curiosity, if it turns out that was the case... our fabled 2nd predator was cloaked the whole time in the movie and we never actually saw any predator until after the switch... would you have been more on board with the idea?

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Quote from: Russ840 on Mar 29, 2017, 10:01:09 PM
I just listened to the Out of the Shadows audio drama. I thought it was great. Work as a good alternate sequel to alien.

Agreed... although I'm pretty sure it's held as "cannon" rather than alternate. I'm ok with this. They handled it well in my opinion.

I didn't realize this book had been canceled until I checked this thread just now.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 30, 2017, 02:32:26 AM
I didn't realize this book had been canceled until I checked this thread just now.

I just realized it today too

I just sent a tweet over to Christopher Golden about it, maybe he'll have some insight.

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Just got a reply, "it was never approved and should not have been announced before it was."

https://twitter.com/ChristophGolden/status/847279688288358400

So it looks like the book was dead on arrival.

Oh, well damn. I wonder how this got leaked out like that if it wasn't approved.

Interesting! Thanks xenomrph!

Thanks for the info, Xenomrph. I feel somewhat bad because I know the flake Golden got for some of the mandated revisions in River of Pain but I really didn't want this prequel to come out and have to suffer more hard to swallow revisions.

Well thank goodness for that.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 30, 2017, 07:26:11 AM
Thanks for the info, Xenomrph. I feel somewhat bad because I know the flake Golden got for some of the mandated revisions in River of Pain but I really didn't want this prequel to come out and have to suffer more hard to swallow revisions.

What sort of mandated revisions? The inclusion of Colonial Marines?

Yeah. I believed why they should have been there but I couldn't swallow that they were there. It'd have been better if they'd used Colonial Marshalls or something.

Wait, so this is the same guy as those Alien inter-quel things?

Does he pitch these or does he just get lumped with them?

Quote from: SiL on Mar 30, 2017, 08:51:38 AM
Wait, so this is the same guy as those Alien inter-quel things?

Does he pitch these or does he just get lumped with them?

He only wrote the one.

QuoteAvPG – River of Pain is the third novel in the series and the first two have been written by good friends of yours. How did you decide that River of Pain was the novel you wanted to write?

CG – When Titan editor Steve Saffel told me the plans for the three books, I had two responses.  The first was that it made perfect sense for him to hire three writers who were friends (and shared the same agent).  The second was that as much as I loved Tim and Jim, I wanted to write this third book because, as you know, it's a prequel to ALIENS, set on Acheron (LV-426).  As I mentioned, the material with the Jorden family in the extended version of ALIENS was very exciting to me, and I loved the idea of telling their story.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/christopher-golden/

No idea about this Predator one though.

I see. So in the last one he picked up what they were handing out.

Considering the range of topics they can cover this insistence on prequels/interquels rewriting the original stories is bizarre.

I see it almost as FOX trying to have their cake and eat it too. Revisiting recognizable movie staples (be they locations, characters, whatever) lets them snag the casual readers who only watched the movies and enjoyed them, while also snagging the more hard-core fans because they're ~*~ALL NEW STORIES~*~.

Good, this did not need to be a thing.

Good because it sounded like crap.  So disrespectful to the original film.

The retcon hype-train has been derailed! To the barricades, townsfolk! Before they send another!

Why in the world would this need to Retconned -- and do badly?  Thank goodness this was cancelled.  The entire premise breaks something that did NOT need fixing.

Watch this thing get turned into an animate film or some crap like that.

This thing will likely appear again somewhere else.

Story gets leaked. Internet hates it. They come back with "Was never approved" and while I can believe that, I can't believe the overwhelming disdain for this concept had absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

I'm curious who pitched the idea in the first place. Did FOX pitch it and then realize it was a bad idea? Did Titan pitch it and jump the gun in announcing it?

That's a good question, Xenomrph, maybe they "announced" it before it was approved just to see the reactions, and if they were positive, FOX would obviou$ly approve it ba$ed on all the reaction$ they'd $ee.

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But since that ^ didn't happen... this got silently swept under the rug "and was never approved nor was it meant to be announced". Some serious cloak and dagger cover up going on here.  :P

That's messed up, getting mistaken for the bad guy.

There were staffing changes in the licensing department late last year.  Perhaps this was a casualty.

Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2017, 07:13:37 AM
There were staffing changes in the licensing department late last year.  Perhaps this was a casualty.

Could that be explaining why the Alien vs Predator vs Judge Dredd comic keeps being delayed? I think that began early this year.

Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2017, 07:13:37 AM
There were staffing changes in the licensing department late last year.  Perhaps this was a casualty.

Maybe that's why I didn't see Josh Izzo in the special thanks section on the most recent issue of Defiance or Life and Death (can't remember if it's both).

Yeah he got another gig.

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Quote from: The Alien Predator on Apr 01, 2017, 06:47:52 PM

Quote from: SM on Apr 01, 2017, 07:13:37 AM
There were staffing changes in the licensing department late last year.  Perhaps this was a casualty.

Could that be explaining why the Alien vs Predator vs Judge Dredd comic keeps being delayed? I think that began early this year.

That's a little more confusing since they were three issues in. The scripts would've been completed months ago and you wouldn't think artwork would take this long to finish.

Never thought I'd be sad to be a licensing exec go, but I liked how Izzo was handling things. At least Nicole Spiegal has stayed on.

Oh shit, Josh Izzo isn't around anymore? That's unfortunate, he seemed like a cool dude.

Hicks, can you arrange an interview?

With/about?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2017, 12:18:09 PM
With/about?

With me, about why Aliens are cool.

Lol

 :laugh: I meant Josh Izzo, but that would be cool, too.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 02, 2017, 11:23:45 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2017, 12:18:09 PM
With/about?

With me, about why Aliens are cool.

Thank you for joining us for this interview, Xenomrph, let's us begin. Why are Aliens cool?  :P

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2017, 12:18:09 PM
With/about?

With me, about why Aliens are cool.

Thank you for joining us for this interview, Xenomrph, let's us begin. Why are Aliens cool?  :P

Well you see they're scary, but they're also unique and visually interesting, which makes them cool to look at while also making them even scarier. I wouldn't want to run into an Alien in a dark alley if you know what I mean!
They can also do a lot of cool stuff, like cling to walls, spit acid, and pop out of people's chests.

Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 03, 2017, 01:34:46 AM
they're also unique and visually interesting

Looks like love at first sight to me.

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Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 02, 2017, 11:23:45 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 02, 2017, 12:18:09 PM
With/about?

With me, about why Aliens are cool.

Thank you for joining us for this interview, Xenomrph, let's us begin. Why are Aliens cool?  :P

Well you see they're scary, but they're also unique and visually interesting, which makes them cool to look at while also making them even scarier. I wouldn't want to run into an Alien in a dark alley if you know what I mean!
They can also do a lot of cool stuff, like cling to walls, spit acid, and pop out of people's chests.

Indeed, I've loved the Aliens ever since I was 5 or 6, I always thought they were super cool but oddly never found them terrifying, just really awesome.

But obviously if I did run into an actual Xenomorph in a dark alleyway, I'd shit enough bricks for a new Hadley's Hope to be built.

I think I'd much rather run into your average Predator hunter in a dark alley. It'd still be terrifying, but he'd likely not be interested and leave.

Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 02, 2017, 11:56:41 PM
:laugh: I meant Josh Izzo, but that would be cool, too.

I only had his work address, I'm afraid.

Bit late to the party, but kinda glad this got scrapped.

I wonder if that art book Alien Visions has been scrapped as well.

There's been no sign of that since Alien Day.  :-\

Maybe this Alien Day... :P

I completely forgot about this

Glad that this idiotic premise was dropped

For a terrible moment, I thought this novel was a thing again.  :laugh: