Apparently there was this thing today called "The Arnold Seminar," and many folks were in attendance eager to learn more of Schwarzenegger's return to film straight from the horses mouth.
The question was asked which scripts he's considering for his comeback film.
And among other things, a new Predator film was mentioned by Dutch himself.
http://www.thearnoldfans.com/news/1767.html (http://www.thearnoldfans.com/news/1767.html)
Sounds like it's in the top three of his sequel possibilities. Terminator being the biggest money maker, but his age and where they took the story in the last outing seems to put a Predator sequel in a higher chance range.
I... don't know what to say about this.
-Rakai'Thwei
Its NOT a remake, I'll say it right now. They're NOT remaking PREDATOR. If anything it may be a spec-script for the next Pred sequel. But It's NOT a remake.
If Arnold is looking at it, I sure hope it's not god-awful like that alternate ending to Predators.
I might be actually flamed for this but I don't think we need Arnold for another Predator movie.
I really would like it if people just left Dutch's whereabouts a mystery.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: AncientPred on Mar 07, 2011, 01:48:09 AM
Its NOT a remake, I'll say it right now. They're NOT remaking PREDATOR. If anything it may be a spec-script for the next Pred sequel. But It's NOT a remake.
Agreed. I believe Arnold is quoted as saying the word 'remake' but I am sure he meant sequel.
I don't believe anyone would remake anything and cast the same actors.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 02:07:30 AM
I might be actually flamed for this but I don't think we need Arnold for another Predator movie.
I really would like it if people just left Dutch's whereabouts a mystery.
We don't NEED Arnold for another Predator film as we've seen 4 times already. But I believe his involvement would bring more confidence from the studio to cough up a larger budget.
While I agree that Arnold shouldn't be the action hero in another predator film, i'd love to hear what happened to Dutch - perhaps even with a sizable role from Arnold, just not as the focus. I get a little tired of the franchise having these people go to so much trouble and kill the Predator(s), only to have an ambiguous fate afterwards. What's the point of having the human win if we're not actually allowed to feel like they lived happily ever after?
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Mar 07, 2011, 02:15:08 AM
While I agree that Arnold shouldn't be the action hero in another predator film, i'd love to hear what happened to Dutch - perhaps even with a sizable role from Arnold, just not as the focus. I get a little tired of the franchise having these people go to so much trouble and kill the Predator(s), only to have an ambiguous fate afterwards. What's the point of having the human win if we're not actually allowed to feel like they lived happily ever after?
I prefer to follow what the Predator 2 novelization offered as a fate for Dutch, that the trauma he had endured at the first encounter pretty much mentally damaged him to where he had become a vegetable, and was suffering radiation poisoning from the explosion. And that he was locked away in a mental ward never to be heard from again.
-Rakai'Thwei
This is some of the best news I've seen in weeks!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 02:21:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Mar 07, 2011, 02:15:08 AM
While I agree that Arnold shouldn't be the action hero in another predator film, i'd love to hear what happened to Dutch - perhaps even with a sizable role from Arnold, just not as the focus. I get a little tired of the franchise having these people go to so much trouble and kill the Predator(s), only to have an ambiguous fate afterwards. What's the point of having the human win if we're not actually allowed to feel like they lived happily ever after?
I prefer to follow what the Predator 2 novelization offered as a fate for Dutch, that the trauma he had endured at the first encounter pretty much mentally damaged him to where he had become a vegetable, and was suffering radiation poisoning from the explosion. And that he was locked away in a mental ward never to be heard from again.
-Rakai'Thwei
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 02:21:27 AM
I prefer to follow what the Predator 2 novelization offered as a fate for Dutch, that the trauma he had endured at the first encounter pretty much mentally damaged him to where he had become a vegetable, and was suffering radiation poisoning from the explosion. And that he was locked away in a mental ward never to be heard from again.
-Rakai'Thwei
Cover story for what really happened!
Quote from: genocyber on Mar 07, 2011, 03:08:32 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 02:21:27 AM
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Mar 07, 2011, 02:15:08 AM
While I agree that Arnold shouldn't be the action hero in another predator film, i'd love to hear what happened to Dutch - perhaps even with a sizable role from Arnold, just not as the focus. I get a little tired of the franchise having these people go to so much trouble and kill the Predator(s), only to have an ambiguous fate afterwards. What's the point of having the human win if we're not actually allowed to feel like they lived happily ever after?
I prefer to follow what the Predator 2 novelization offered as a fate for Dutch, that the trauma he had endured at the first encounter pretty much mentally damaged him to where he had become a vegetable, and was suffering radiation poisoning from the explosion. And that he was locked away in a mental ward never to be heard from again.
-Rakai'Thwei
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That didn't actually happen. The novelization said Dutch had taken a car and drove off. Now, nobody knows where he is.
Quote from: AncientPred on Mar 07, 2011, 01:48:09 AM
Its NOT a remake, I'll say it right now. They're NOT remaking PREDATOR. If anything it may be a spec-script for the next Pred sequel. But It's NOT a remake.
If it's a remake heads will roll man. HEADS WILL ROLL.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2011, 05:41:04 AM
That didn't actually happen. The novelization said Dutch had taken a car and drove off. Now, nobody knows where he is.
But didn't the novelization also say he was suffering radiation poisoning?
-Rakai'Thwei
Yeah you're probably right, but he didn't turn into a vegetable or get locked away.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2011, 06:58:01 AM
Yeah you're probably right, but he didn't turn into a vegetable or get locked away.
I've read somewhere that Dutch was turned into a vegetable and locked away.
Unless I'm thinking the novel Concrete Jungle.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 07:01:56 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2011, 06:58:01 AM
Yeah you're probably right, but he didn't turn into a vegetable or get locked away.
I've read somewhere that Dutch was turned into a vegetable and locked away.
Unless I'm thinking the novel Concrete Jungle.
-Rakai'Thwei
If I cared about EU I would be upset... but I don't, so there you go. Dutch is out there somewhere.
Quote from: DJ CyberPu$$y on Mar 07, 2011, 07:09:02 AM
If I cared about EU I would be upset... but I don't, so there you go. Dutch is out there somewhere.
I tend to read a lot of A/P/AvP material. I was merely confused which one mentioned that Dutch was locked away from is all.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 07:14:31 AM
Quote from: DJ CyberPu$$y on Mar 07, 2011, 07:09:02 AM
If I cared about EU I would be upset... but I don't, so there you go. Dutch is out there somewhere.
I tend to read a lot of A/P/AvP material. I was merely confused which one mentioned that Dutch was locked away from is all.
-Rakai'Thwei
Depends on what you view as canon I guess. Either way, Dutch's fate might be revealed in a movie one day.
Quote from: DJ CyberPu$$y on Mar 07, 2011, 09:34:31 AM
Depends on what you view as canon I guess. Either way, Dutch's fate might be revealed in a movie one day.
I know for a fact that Anderson wanted him in AvP for a cameo. That would've been nice and made some sense.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 09:44:12 AM
Quote from: DJ CyberPu$$y on Mar 07, 2011, 09:34:31 AM
Depends on what you view as canon I guess. Either way, Dutch's fate might be revealed in a movie one day.
I know for a fact that Anderson wanted him in AvP for a cameo. That would've been nice and made some sense.
-Rakai'Thwei
It would have been nice if AVP was ANY good.
I think the last RAMBO movie proved you can have an older action actor come back and make it work. The way they did it with RAMBO was they brought in the group of younger mercs as support. So the situation itself dropped in laughability. A similar thing could be done with Arnold, you already have the survivors from PREDATORS on the planet. You could bring in a few more, maybe 1 or 2 aliens as well.
When this "news" makes the front page of AVPGalaxy, then I'll give it some credence.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 07:01:56 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2011, 06:58:01 AM
Yeah you're probably right, but he didn't turn into a vegetable or get locked away.
I've read somewhere that Dutch was turned into a vegetable and locked away.
Unless I'm thinking the novel Concrete Jungle.
-Rakai'Thwei
I don't remember reading that in Concrete Jungle, either.
Quote from: Mr. Domino on Mar 07, 2011, 02:15:08 AM
While I agree that Arnold shouldn't be the action hero in another predator film, i'd love to hear what happened to Dutch - perhaps even with a sizable role from Arnold, just not as the focus. I get a little tired of the franchise having these people go to so much trouble and kill the Predator(s), only to have an ambiguous fate afterwards. What's the point of having the human win if we're not actually allowed to feel like they lived happily ever after?
Exactly!!!!
This is excellent news.
I've been waiting for this for a loooooooooooong time.
You don't kill a Pred, have the Gov't cover it up and then pretend or tell the fans of the franchise that there is no consequence to it.
It's ludicrious and is a huuuuuuge whole in the whole story.
Dutch or Harrigan's "fate" should not be ignored or forgotten.
Aliens did it correctly using Ripley's "experience" to grow and continue the story, which is what a TRUE sequel does.
I will never forget Dutch nor Harrigan until I'm shown reason to believe so.
I'm not going to "pretend" like the Govt agencies don't know about Preds anymore, or pretend like Dutch and Harrigan never killed a Pred.
Waaaaay to many cool and exploreable questions opened up with the death of the Preds that were killed and not one has been touched on.
Instead we are supposed to pretend to let it start all over again with new unsuspecting characters.
Get real.
Dutch and/or Harrigan are still alive the Gov't knows about the Preds. Let's not ignore those HUGE FACTS.
Get this done!!!
And let this be clear I'm not advocating Arnold to come back as an "Action" hero to fight a Pred again. I've already posted my idea multiple times in here to have Dutch be in a "support" "advocate"/"intelligence" type role helping a new "hero" defeat a Pred, that's on the hunt.
Because yes the Reality is that Arnold is not going to be believable as an buff action star at this point.
But a grizzled, old, tough, seculded vet is believable with Dutch.
Or we can just feed the Trolls and give them a meaningless remake of Pred or why not another AVP???
i also heard he is coming back for the new terminator film aswell lol
this quote is taken completely out of context - he was "asked to elaborate on 3 film scripts he was considering as his comeback film". he was saying that there were 15 possibilities, and how he mentions predator, and running man, and terminator - it sounds like a throwaway answer to me. he doesn't know. its not in development, he's considering it. amongst "15" other things.
Quote from: AncientPred on Mar 07, 2011, 10:50:18 AM
I think the last RAMBO movie proved you can have an older action actor come back and make it work. The way they did it with RAMBO was they brought in the group of younger mercs as support. So the situation itself dropped in laughability. A similar thing could be done with Arnold, you already have the survivors from PREDATORS on the planet. You could bring in a few more, maybe 1 or 2 aliens as well.
AVP3
There is a HUUUUUGEEEE Alien V Predator war in the future and they wake up Dutch who was sleeping in one of those sleeping chamber things and he proceeds to kick ass with the SPACE MARINES!!!!
Bam ^
Quote from: DaddyYautja on Mar 07, 2011, 07:20:34 PM
Quote from: AncientPred on Mar 07, 2011, 10:50:18 AM
I think the last RAMBO movie proved you can have an older action actor come back and make it work. The way they did it with RAMBO was they brought in the group of younger mercs as support. So the situation itself dropped in laughability. A similar thing could be done with Arnold, you already have the survivors from PREDATORS on the planet. You could bring in a few more, maybe 1 or 2 aliens as well.
AVP3
There is a HUUUUUGEEEE Alien V Predator war in the future and they wake up Dutch who was sleeping in one of those sleeping chamber things and he proceeds to kick ass with the SPACE MARINES!!!!
Unvelievable.
This is the crap that kills franchises.....
Quote from: ridetofight on Mar 07, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
this quote is taken completely out of context - he was "asked to elaborate on 3 film scripts he was considering as his comeback film". he was saying that there were 15 possibilities, and how he mentions predator, and running man, and terminator - it sounds like a throwaway answer to me. he doesn't know. its not in development, he's considering it. amongst "15" other things.
I am hoping your right. I am hoping to God almighty, you are right.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 08:45:38 PM
Quote from: ridetofight on Mar 07, 2011, 06:57:50 PM
this quote is taken completely out of context - he was "asked to elaborate on 3 film scripts he was considering as his comeback film". he was saying that there were 15 possibilities, and how he mentions predator, and running man, and terminator - it sounds like a throwaway answer to me. he doesn't know. its not in development, he's considering it. amongst "15" other things.
I am hoping your right. I am hoping to God almighty, you are right.
-Rakai'Thwei
I'm
certain he is. I don't know how they got "3 possibilities" when he's looking at 15 scripts. Predator, Terminator and Running Man are not certainties, just mentions. 3 out of 15.
Quote from: DJ CyberPu$$y on Mar 07, 2011, 08:50:47 PM
I'm certain he is. I don't know how they got "3 possibilities" when he's looking at 15 scripts. Predator, Terminator and Running Man are not certainties, just mentions. 3 out of 15.
That's the thing with ArnoldFans.com or whatever the domain name is... They tend to make stuff up, or even take stuff out of context.
Or so I've heard.
-Rakai'Thwei
Arnold in another Predator movie would be awesome...and I'm glad it'd kill the whole dead Dutch theory from Predator: Dark River....
A predator prequel wouldn't be bad..... to see in detail what happened to Jim Hopper (I think that's how its spelled)
Hoppers men were all killed at once, "shooting in all directions". Wouldn't be much of a movie.
I'm sure it could be made into a movie, we don't know how many men their were. The finale can be the shooting in all directions, like 3 remaining men shooting in directions....could be more than one predator also...it COULD be anything really.....we really don't know what happened in detail
*Hopper and his men land, multiple Predators are stalking his men, they chase the men all around the jungle, preds knock out their communication, the men kill a couple of preds and anytime kills the rest....add sum spice to that, it could work. *as for the crashed chopper, let's say sum of the men were about to escape and anytime shot down the chopper and got rid of the dead predators*
Quote from: Joe117 on Mar 07, 2011, 09:22:42 PM
I'm sure it could be made into a movie, we don't know how many men their were. The finale can be the shooting in all directions, like 3 remaining men shooting in directions....could be more than one predator also...it COULD be anything really.....we really don't know what happened in detail
*Hopper and his men land, multiple Predators are stalking his men, they chase the men all around the jungle, preds knock out their communication, the men kill a couple of preds and anytime kills the rest....add sum spice to that, it could work. *as for the crashed chopper, let's say sum of the men were about to escape and anytime shot down the chopper and got rid of the dead predators*
Multiple preds attacking & getting killed by Hopper's team? yeah pretty good way to destroy the pred "badassery"
just let Anytime ( a SINGLE Pred) take them down. Why would we give the credit to a pack of preds instead of Anytime
This can make the Predators sequel more Bad@ss now!!!!
Quote from: Deathly_rYaN on Mar 07, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
This can make the Predators sequel more Bad@ss now!!!!
Or even more horrible... if Rodriguez chooses to use the something based off the alternate ending... or his original 1994 script.
-Rakai'Thwei
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2011, 10:22:32 PM
Quote from: Deathly_rYaN on Mar 07, 2011, 10:16:42 PM
This can make the Predators sequel more Bad@ss now!!!!
Or even more horrible... if Rodriguez chooses to use the something based off the alternate ending... or his original 1994 script.
-Rakai'Thwei
Yeah having him as a Pred clan member (or leader if i remember well), is just lame. Why would he become a respected pred member while he survived by miracle against Anytime
Multiple preds attacking & getting killed by Hopper's team? yeah pretty good way to destroy the pred "badassery"
just let Anytime ( a SINGLE Pred) take them down. Why would we give the credit to a pack of preds instead of Anytime
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So 3 super predators can take out 8 ppl? Maybe anytime and 1 other predator..I think it could be cool.
Quote from: Joe117 on Mar 07, 2011, 10:38:54 PM
Multiple preds attacking & getting killed by Hopper's team? yeah pretty good way to destroy the pred "badassery"
just let Anytime ( a SINGLE Pred) take them down. Why would we give the credit to a pack of preds instead of Anytime
So 3 super predators can take out 8 ppl? Maybe anytime and 1 other predator..I think it could be cool.
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Those 3 super fag preds (in predators of course) were the most incompetent preds seen on screen, against the most under armed & organised prey . Out of all the pred and AvP movies
I know it's just your opinion and i don't want to seem rude. I just reallly don't like to add a useless second pred , decreasing Anytime's perfomance, and more generaly preds "badassery"
It's like saying "it's impossible that one single pred could have taken down Hoper AND Dutch team. They must have been multiples, and suffer casulaties". Really down grading
Personnaly i beleive that Anytime (LONELY) killed Hopper's team. And also when Anna said "the demon comes back every hot years" I beleive that it was also Anytime who used to come back for hunt, every hot years ,in the same jungle.
Mr. Former Govenator obviously didnt see Predators. But who cares, ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER IS BACK!!!!
Forget Terminator. If they could CGI Arnie in Terminator Salvation FLAWLESSLY, they can do it again. WE NEED ARNOLD BACK IN PREDATOR!!
Ok so if its "anytime" by himself...perhaps he had more weapons with him than just a wristblade and cannon and in battling hoppers team they were lost or damaged....
While I can see why some dislike the alternate ending for the current Predators, the "switch" in the original 1994 script made some sort of sense. In it, he teamed up with the Classic or Crucified Predator because he needed a way off the planet; once they made it, they headed a course for Earth. They were both outcasts, Classic humiliated and strung up by the higher-up Predators, Dutch hunted like a dog. That's a scenario I'd like to see -- Garber's task force hunting Dutch across the globe, catching him just as a crack team of soldiers/cops/cowboys comprised of stars Samuel L. Jackson, Michelle Rodriguez, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and David Caruso stumbles into the Predators' path. With nowhere to go, Dutch could reluctantly ally with the Predators, at least for a brief time; presumably, after having eluded the government for so long, he could have earned more respect from the Predators, enough so that they treat him as a wild game animal that needs to be conserved.
Either way, this announcement makes me happy, not only because of the promise of finding out what happened to Dutch, but also because it shows that the franchise definitely has a future! I mean, think about it, there's a *script* already out there!?
Quote from: Peakius Baragonius on Mar 08, 2011, 12:58:06 AM
That's a scenario I'd like to see -- Garber's task force hunting Dutch across the globe, catching him just as a crack team of soldiers/cops/cowboys comprised of stars Samuel L. Jackson, Michelle Rodriguez, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, and David Caruso stumbles into the Predators' path. With nowhere to go, Dutch could reluctantly ally with the Predators, at least for a brief time; presumably, after having eluded the government for so long, he could have earned more respect from the Predators, enough so that they treat him as a wild game animal that needs to be conserved.
That idea might work. Sounds better than PREDATORS...
Just no BSP or that preserve planet BS.
-Rakai'Thwei
I think the radiation thing for Dutch came from the comic Predator: Dark River. But I'll have to look back at that to make sure.
Boo! Arnie is too old and fat now :P
Who gives a shit? I bet he could still whip my ass. I wouldn't want to spill his pint anyway :laugh:
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 08, 2011, 12:52:51 PM
Who gives a shit? I bet he could still whip my ass. I wouldn't want to spill his pint anyway :laugh:
nah, i say spill his pint by accident, then buy him a replacement, he always came across to me as the kind of guy that would appreciate that sort of thing :D
If Arnie is in it this is gonna be as great as the first. Even if it's as good as the first it will be much better than RR Predators.
Quote from: Eldritch on Mar 08, 2011, 12:49:02 PM
Boo! Arnie is too old and fat now :P
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1208.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc377%2FBatChainPuller%2FComebackFeb2010.jpg&hash=8eceeaf15913ec81749b6a8cd0644be315ef87c5)
Taken in February of 2010.
DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK!!!
I don`t want to have Arnie in next Predator film. Either he`ll look unrealisticly killing Preds or he`ll die. Both I don`t want.
Quote from: Master on Mar 08, 2011, 05:11:22 PM
I don`t want to have Arnie in next Predator film.
I'll agree with that.
For my own reasons though. Honestly, I think having Arnold come back might not be a good thing.
-Rakai'Thwei
He'd just be perfect as Dutch, a leader of a team dedicated to hunting down preds in a sequel. Not a totally action hero, but a revenge seeking leader, who would do everything to annihilate his enemy, and a final faceoff would be heart (and skull :P) ripping. and this way he wouldn't be the one doing the killing (but his... butt boys :D) Could work...
(A remake? It's already a dead idea.)
Remaking Predator when the last movie came out nearly a year ago. What the f**k?
I'd LOVE for Arnie to come back as an older, grizzled Dutch. I think more likely he'd have a smaller role in a potential next film though, with Adrien as the lead again. Predator may not be "big" enough for Arnie to lead star in again.
they should fuse a new arnie predator film with the cast of the expendables, except for that jason stratham c**t who seems to have been put in every action movie lately even though he's a c**t
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Mar 08, 2011, 11:05:39 PM
they should fuse a new arnie predator film with the cast of the expendables, except for that jason stratham c**t who seems to have been put in every action movie lately even though he's a c**t
Word.
I'm all over this idea. Predator is still an Arnold franchise, even if he only appeared in one installment. A new Pred movie with him would be a homecoming.
No, it would be disaster. Don`t touch the legend cause you`ll f**k it up. One way or another. Same thing goes to Danny Glover. I love those guys but don`t want them in Predator anymore.
Quote from: Master on Mar 09, 2011, 12:06:08 AM
No, it would be disaster. Don`t touch the legend cause you`ll f**k it up. One way or another. Same thing goes to Danny Glover. I love those guys but don`t want them in Predator anymore.
I whole heartily agree.
We don't need Arnold back. Especially with the direction which PREDATORS took the franchise in. I just don't agree with the new direction, and knowing that Rodriguez more or less may want to helm the potential sequel, I do not look forward to having Arnold come back and I just feel as if Dutch's story needs to be left alone and his fate kept a mystery.
And if Rodriguez does manage to somehow get Arnold... Well....
-Rakai'Thwei
Honestly...his time has ended...he LOOKS old...he can't be the main character which would probably be a problem for him...no more Arnold in the "Predator" franchise...they can do some backstory as to how him, Harrigan, Lex, Dallas and Kelly were silenced one way or another for there knowledge of the predator...he's washed up...Dutch will never be like he was in "Predator"....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1QzZ15-L38# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1QzZ15-L38#)
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Mar 09, 2011, 12:35:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1QzZ15-L38# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1QzZ15-L38#)
Hell yeah! I'm pulling for Arnold to come back for a Predator film.
Next movie Arnold shows up and saves Brody and comes up with a plan, while chomping on a cigar with oiled up muscles.
If you all watch predator 2 keys said armies character died between pred 1 n 2 and is why his
Quote from: Roddy on Mar 09, 2011, 07:51:05 AM
If you all watch predator 2 keys said armies character died between pred 1 n 2 and is why his
No he did not.
^ Correct.
Hell, I just want to know what the script is about.
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Mar 08, 2011, 11:05:39 PM
they should fuse a new arnie predator film with the cast of the expendables, except for that jason stratham c**t who seems to have been put in every action movie lately even though he's a c**t
EVP - Expendables vs Predators. Whoever wins we lose. :D
This time Arnold will get his revenge against the Predators...
A predator remake??? I can't really see that happening...and I really dont think it should happen (Reading it made me feel the same way when I read about the Robocop remake)
Maybe what he really meant was that he might just be a cameo in the new Pred, or a small role as such...maybe even Dutch, he killed a pred, so what better Predator/killer to throw on the hunting planet other than...Dutch....
Be cool to see him back on the Screen through ;D
Arnold on screen again? Yeah! Arnold in Predator again? No, no, no, no. My concern is not about age nor phisical atributes, but believability. Do we really want to believe that one man can kill Predator like this:
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this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator2/productionstills/normal_productionstill12.jpg)
or this one more than once?
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Because if he`ll fight those downgraded buttheads form Ps then I pass.
Seriously isn`t it better to demand new, fresh interesting film with new great characters? Is the future of franchise must rely on rehars of all thesame (not funny anymore) quotes, scenes and now even characters? If so then once again I pass.
Quote from: Master on Mar 09, 2011, 02:42:19 PM
Arnold on screen again? Yeah! Arnold in Predator again? No, no, no, no. My concern is not about age nor phisical atributes, but believability. Do we really want to believe that one man can kill Predator like this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nefariousfilms.com%2FImages%2FMonsters%2Fpredator.jpg&hash=98166ed52bc84bc00ab19fa305587492ca361b0e)
this:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfreewallpapers.net%2Fmovies%2Fwallpapers%2Fpredator-2.jpg&hash=d1cb26502511a1ddb979ded4db118b5691e9ea90)
or this one more than once?
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Because if he`ll fight those downgraded buttheads form Ps then I pass.
Seriously isn`t it better to demand new, fresh interesting film with new great characters? Is the future of franchise must rely on rehars of all thesame (not funny anymore) quotes, scenes and now even characters? If so then once again I pass.
Yup , i'm 100% with you
really have a bad feeling the alternate predators ending is coming back
Arnold was in the best predator movie ever made !! bring him back again and you will get the best if not the 2 best predator movie ever made !!
i say bring him back it would be the best he just needs to train abit then its all good :)
Quote from: dallevalle on Mar 10, 2011, 01:16:34 AM
Arnold was in the best predator movie ever made !! bring him back again and you will get the best if not the 2 best predator movie ever made !!
i say bring him back it would be the best he just needs to train abit then its all good :)
Or the worst Predator movie ever which not only be bad but will also shit on beloved original. Look at T3. One iconic actor dosen`t actualy makes the film great. And while all other thigs are lacking he won`t help either.
I want fresh Predator film. Without reused quotes, reused locations, reused scanes and reused characters. Only thing that should link new film with old ones should be Predator itself ( the creature concept, not reused costume from P1). This is the film I`m looking foreward to.
He could play a part in one,but only as a guy like Keyes or as a supporting role not as a the main character again.
And the story must be very good not like T3 lol
Quote from: Infected on Mar 10, 2011, 02:03:24 PM
He could play a part in one,but only as a guy like Keyes or as a supporting role not as a the main character again.
And the story must be very good not like T3 lol
Exactly.
To those who oppose Arnold in a new Pred movie, what is wrong with the "supporting" role in the film.
I think the Pro-Arnold in a Pred movie are understanding the age and ability to kill a Pred is not realistic anymore. More or less merely asking for the "story" of Dutch to be put to a close and envoke a new character/story.
It's funny and grade-level how the Anti Arnold in a Pred movie crowd assume he has to take on his old role and kill a Pred like he did 20 years ago. Are you that close-minded in not believing another angle to a story?
The Predator franchise is not just about "killing a Pred" or "killing man", it's much bigger and more interesting than simply "killing" using Dutch as a buffer and a survivor of a Pred could make a great story and continuation of the Pred franchise.
If you want "killing" there are three movies (If you even want to call them that) available to you AVP1,AVP2, and Predators. You can either purchase or tune in to the USA network or Comedy Central for that matter as I'm sure they will play on those cable channels.
For those that like a real movie driven by more than just "killing", which is what Pred 1 and even 2 were, we'll stick with the Pro Dutch take.
Quote from: Original Predator on Mar 10, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
To those who oppose Arnold in a new Pred movie, what is wrong with the "supporting" role in the film.
I can easily tell you this.
You know in one of the PREDATORS script drafts we got sometime around a year or two ago, and how Rodriguez was planning for Dutch to be a Predator clan leader when such a thing like that didn't even make any sense, and even outright contradicts the first film? Yeah, THAT'S what I'm afraid of, and THAT'S why I'm opposing Arnold for any role in a future Predator film.
There is something of the fact that Dutch disappeared which adds to the mystery of his character, and also even adds more to his legend. We saw him defeat a Predator, of course, add or take the plot-armor and shield he had on but he beat a Predator and survived... The man became a legend, and that's just something you don't mess with.
The idea of Arnold coming back is nice, but I don't like the direction PREDATORS took the franchise in, and if Arnold wanted to do a Predator flick, he should've done one twenty years ago when he had the chance but he was filming T2 at the time.
It could be worse... MUCH, MUCH WORSE. If you look at the 1994 script which Rodriguez used, and if he gets Arnold back, who is to say that we won't get a movie with the insanely stupid gladiator plot, with the balls out retarded Predator King?
Do we really want that? Is this what everyone is clamoring for?
I for one, don't.
-Rakai'Thwei
yep,the movie must be about the fight and the hunt.
And nowadays things go faster and thougher..this Arnie wont cut it i mean look at Predator and look at the character Dutch he is young very fit and at his prime!
You need a young team some groundbreaking actors who could play a team of cops or maybe better some high tech advanced crooks.
I would cast Chirs Evans or josh duhamel as the funny anti hero,Michelle rodriquez as the woman,liev schreiber as the leading role....and some other good characters. and they get caught up in a mix up with Dutch and his spec team and shit gets out of hand blabla whatever happends i want it to end bad and the preds or pred win this time.
I mean 3 times a....
QuoteYou know in one of the PREDATORS script drafts we got sometime around a year or two ago, and how Rodriguez was planning for Dutch to be a Predator clan leader when such a thing like that didn't even make any sense, and even outright contradicts the first film? Yeah, THAT'S what I'm afraid of, and THAT'S why I'm opposing Arnold for any role in a future Predator film.
That cannot happen. If someone will actually try to do that, the skies will crack open, Jupiter dangles his c*ck down and kills the crew with it. So it's not f**king possible. Even the thought is offensive.
QuotePredator King
oh, don't even mention...
But I don't see what could be the problem with an older Dutch returning, and as they show us how he dedicated everything he had to track down the predators. He couldn't kill them? Well, if the movie would be set a bit more in the future, adding a bit more sci-fi elements like implants or such, he could gather much more credibility. Would be awesome as I see.
I'm not sure I get the thought process.
So if Dutch comes back it's automatically going to be bad?
Any movie, regardless of actor/character can be bad or good. It's all about how it's done.
A movie with Arnold in it would not automaticaly be bad.
It would be bad the plot had him become a "leader" of a Pred group.
It would be good if the plot involved him hid-a-way living as a recluse washed up Vet with gag order, being tracked down for his "experience" because another Pred is on the loose and they need his info from the event 20 years ago. Ala Ripley in Aliens
Agree, disagree?
Like all things. If it's done correctly, it would be good. Incorrectly, would be bad.
I'm not advocating for the return of in his prime-buffed "Dutch" from Pred 1, I'm advocating the return of Dutch 20 years later. The old Dutch, the has-been, the one that survived a Pred attack and is cursed to live with it. Awesome story waiting to happen.
QuoteI'm not advocating for the return of in his prime-buffed "Dutch" from Pred 1, I'm advocating the return of Dutch 20 years later. The old Dutch, the has-been, the one that survived a Pred attack and is cursed to live with it. Awesome story waiting to happen.
I agree with you.
Quote from: Vulhala on Mar 11, 2011, 01:37:01 PM
QuoteI'm not advocating for the return of in his prime-buffed "Dutch" from Pred 1, I'm advocating the return of Dutch 20 years later. The old Dutch, the has-been, the one that survived a Pred attack and is cursed to live with it. Awesome story waiting to happen.
I agree with you.
Now we're getting somewhere. The only questions for me are ... is Dutch in control of his current situation, (on the run or hiding out from the Government or Predator interests?) Or is he entrenched in some sort of storyline that we will only be able to view from the perceptive of 20 years later?
A lot of this possible story may unfold similarly to the last Indiana Jones film. Yes, shit happened between The Last Crusade and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Jones was an operative in the war and had many off screen adventures and relationships. Old friends and family passed away, and new enemies and allies we're made.
Any new Predator script with Arnold can and should have a ton of interesting back story that will enrich what we see in the film, when and if it's ever made.
If Arnold is a Predator clan leader, that will rob a lot from what has been established as cool. That's fan fic. That's the last page of a comic book. Rodriguez stated himself that it was a one of the fake endings to throw people off, yes? Can someone dig that up? I'm sure I read that/heard that somewhere when Predators was about to be released.
Again if it's done "right" it would be the best thing for what I consider a "lost" franchise in it's current state.
Dutch leading a Pred clan is stupid and comic book-ish. Agree, don't go there, don't consider it, don't dig it up.
The cool thing about Pred 1 and Pred 2 is there is a sense of realism, within fictional the movie that you are brought into. The setting of the jungle or the city is tangible to the audience. The unknown mysterious "creature" that's picking people off that was maintained in the first and second films. Those aspects have been lost. And yes it was lost in Predators.
You bring Dutch back and you do it "right" then you can bring back not only the aspects of the first and second Preds but you bring back some tangebility and credibility to the franchise, getting back to the roots of what started this thing.
If you can get a writer/producer/director/ to get away from the fantasy aspect of the Pred, the comic book mentality, put him back in our world, keep him mysterious and let us the audience"hunt" and be "hunted" as we were in Pred 1, and 2 and do it through the dogged/ tattered eyes of an old Dutch.
That would be the "right" way.
Until then, I consider the franchise lost. I consider Predators no saving grace to the AVP rip-offs.
Honestly, seeing Arnold return to film is definitely interesting to know. Reprising his role as Dutch would be a great idea, how big of a roll he plays is tbd. Honestly I agree with whats been said about the decline in the franchise as far as the mysterious killer(s). I think that Predators and AvPR were a step in the right direction as far as the aspect of how the predators operate when on the hunt, plots (whether liked or not) aren't what I'm talking about. What I would like to see is a movie based strictly around the Predators (or yatja if you prefer); how their society works, hunts are organised/determined, their technology, their home world, a deeper insight to THEM if you will. I know there are many novels about them, but what better way to bring the unadulterated experience to those who haven't read or were unable to read the novels. Besides, Predators are supposed to learn and improve after every hunt/encounter with prey, why not do this and maybe show us a bit more. Thoughts?
"wow" all I can sum up.
f**k yes! :D
I vote for Christopher Nolan to direct it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would definitely love it when the Pred that goes 1 on 1 against Dutch will treat him with more respect and end up not fighting him instead ala AvP
How about this:
Dutch is retired and lives alone, he has nothing good left to look forward to in life. But he gets a knock on the door and it's two members of the military and they inform him that a huge group of "Aliens" have attacked and they match his description of the "Alien" he had seen before. And they say that they are always on the move on a rampage, killing and destroying everything in sight, cities, small houses on the countryside, and beaches. As if they are trying show some sort of power. (They are really trying to show humans what they are made of due to their fallen comrades that have happened during hunts). Dutch thinks about the offer and if he's fit for job because of his age, he then thinks of what he actually has to look forward to in life, he accepts the military's offer and they introduce him to his new team and they go out to "Hunt" the hunters.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 10, 2011, 08:22:19 PM
Quote from: Original Predator on Mar 10, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
To those who oppose Arnold in a new Pred movie, what is wrong with the "supporting" role in the film.
I can easily tell you this.
You know in one of the PREDATORS script drafts we got sometime around a year or two ago, and how Rodriguez was planning for Dutch to be a Predator clan leader when such a thing like that didn't even make any sense, and even outright contradicts the first film? Yeah, THAT'S what I'm afraid of, and THAT'S why I'm opposing Arnold for any role in a future Predator film.
There is something of the fact that Dutch disappeared which adds to the mystery of his character, and also even adds more to his legend. We saw him defeat a Predator, of course, add or take the plot-armor and shield he had on but he beat a Predator and survived... The man became a legend, and that's just something you don't mess with.
The idea of Arnold coming back is nice, but I don't like the direction PREDATORS took the franchise in, and if Arnold wanted to do a Predator flick, he should've done one twenty years ago when he had the chance but he was filming T2 at the time.
It could be worse... MUCH, MUCH WORSE. If you look at the 1994 script which Rodriguez used, and if he gets Arnold back, who is to say that we won't get a movie with the insanely stupid gladiator plot, with the balls out retarded Predator King?
Do we really want that? Is this what everyone is clamoring for?
I for one, don't.
-Rakai'Thwei
I am over 9000 % with You Rakai'Thwei on this one.
Quote from: Shadow King932 on Jul 14, 2013, 06:55:02 PM
How about this:
Dutch is retired and lives alone, he has nothing good left to look forward to in life. But he gets a knock on the door and it's two members of the military and they inform him that a huge group of "Aliens" have attacked and they match his description of the "Alien" he had seen before. And they say that they are always on the move on a rampage, killing and destroying everything in sight, cities, small houses on the countryside, and beaches. As if they are trying show some sort of power. (They are really trying to show humans what they are made of due to their fallen comrades that have happened during hunts). Dutch thinks about the offer and if he's fit for job because of his age, he then thinks of what he actually has to look forward to in life, he accepts the military's offer and they introduce him to his new team and they go out to "Hunt" the hunters.
That sounds like the beginning of every rambo movie besides the first one, but I can see that plot working, a team of mercs hired to track down 3 predator brothers going on a rampage
At first I was excited about the possibility of Arnie returning to the Dutch character but then reading through this thread I realize that the risk of ****ing up a legend is too great to return to it. Never thought I'd say it but do not want.
At most I'd be willing to see Dutch make a cameo appearance in the same role as the general in the original predator.
Perhaps a new action star takes the lead in the new film, (dare I say rock or vin?) arnie strolls out to brief him
arnie - you're looking good ______
____ - it's been a long time general schaefer...
The Predators facebook page says that there will be an announcement soon coming via SDCC. Now let us AVP fans wait with bated breath. :laugh:
https://www.facebook.com/# (https://www.facebook.com/#)!/pages/Predators-Movie/132957901623