Aliens vs DOOM

[Vertigo]

Teleportation in Doom isn't genetic. It's technological/magic. As is pretty much everything else the demons possess.

In Doom 3, many 'demonic' abilities are biologically derived, and innate. Imps and Hellknights generate plasma internally, Wraiths phase out at will rather than via magical ritual, Archviles have peculiar arm physiology to generate flames, Cherubs fly with insecty wings... And obviously being huge, strong and tough with armour-piercing talons are natural traits for those that possess them.

Teleportation is indeed performed by ritual though, none of them innately have the ability. Many servile demons also have cybernetic enhancements, but many of them are probably artificial lifeforms unable to survive without mechanical assistance.

[predxeno]

I dislike the concept of magic in sci-fi stories (unless somehow explained through physics or something); it throws everything off balance.  I think I would have preferred a story where the plot is of aliens from an alternate dimension trying to cross over to Mars and use it as a platform to invade Earth. 

The concept of Hell on Mars seems kinda stupid and unrealistic to me; so after we die (the bad guys, I mean), our souls leave our bodies, fly across space to a different planet, then warp into Hell? (I'm an atheist so this concept sounds extra ridiculous to me though to be fair, I'm not sure religious people would find much credence in this idea either)  There are a few plot holes that have always picked at me because of this concept; if there's Hell, where's Heaven, where's God?

[Vertigo]

You can certainly interpret Doom 3 from a scientific, non-religious aspect. Nothing's ever specifically described as magic, and as mentioned, there's often a discernible scientific explanation for what the denizens of 'Hell' can do.
The key to it is, as described in the alpha footage - "science has opened the door to the unknown". Their technology is supposed to appear as weird and unlike ours, alien. That old chestnut about any sufficiently advanced technology being indistinguishable from magic.

[predxeno]

I'm not sure about that, I remember one of the documents stated that Betruger wanted religious artifacts transported from Earth to his laboratories on Mars for experimentation; I don't remember if anything came of these experiments but if they did then I think Doom 3 Hell would be the equivalent of religious Hell.

[SiL]

Oh, I'm probably thinking of Doom 3 demons, maybe that's different.  As for Aliens and explosives, there is plenty of evidence that they can develop higher intelligence when confronted with higher threats, I still remain confident that they'll find a way around this inconvenience; humans and Predators have explosive weaponry and that hasn't always saved them.

And yet every time they've encountered humans armed with weapons and explosives they've pretty much always been wiped out.

Even in the EU.

There's no support for the "Aliens will overcome being blown to pieces" argument. Doom minions have the best of both worlds when it comes to dealing with Aliens: They have the same, if not better strength of numbers, superior firepower, and the tendency to use the same subversive geurilla tactics as the Aliens themselves. There is no front that the Doom creatures can't overwhelm the Aliens on.

[predxeno]

You seem to forget that practically everytime an Alien has been captured, they have always found a way to escape; I theorize they may even have the ability to bend people's minds to their advantage, there seem to be an inordinate amount of mad scientists who end up studying them (coincidence or a pattern?).  If necessary, it seems Aliens have the ability to mass multiply far faster than usual with facehuggers carrying more than one embryo hosts giving birth to multiple offspring.

[SiL]

You seem to forget that practically everytime an Alien has been captured, they have always found a way to escape;

Irrelevant. Hell wouldn't capture them.

I theorize they may even have the ability to bend people's minds to their advantage,

I theorize the Hell demons can make Aliens explode with pure thought alone and consider this their favourite thing to do.

there seem to be an inordinate amount of mad scientists who end up studying them (coincidence or a pattern?).

The scientists are almost all mad before studying the Aliens.

If necessary, it seems Aliens have the ability to mass multiply far faster than usual with facehuggers carrying more than one embryo hosts giving birth to multiple offspring.

And hellspawn spawn endlessly.

[SM]

Aliunz haz da Force nao?

[predxeno]

You seem to forget that practically everytime an Alien has been captured, they have always found a way to escape;

Irrelevant. Hell wouldn't capture them.

That was an example to show their capability and resourcefulness more than anything else, actually.

I theorize they may even have the ability to bend people's minds to their advantage,

I theorize the Hell demons can make Aliens explode with pure thought alone and consider this their favourite thing to do.

I actually have evidence to back up my claim, Aliens do seem to have some psychic abilities, at least according to the EU, to the extent that they have brainwashed humans into worshipping them as Gods and spreading their infestation.

there seem to be an inordinate amount of mad scientists who end up studying them (coincidence or a pattern?).

The scientists are almost all mad before studying the Aliens.

Is there any actual evidence to support this claim?  I've always been under the impression that the provided evidence can swing either way.

If necessary, it seems Aliens have the ability to mass multiply far faster than usual with facehuggers carrying more than one embryo hosts giving birth to multiple offspring.

And hellspawn spawn endlessly.

I'm sure the Alien lifecycle can adjust to keep up, also I'm not very fond of the term "endlessly" as that's less factual and more opinionated.

[underbound]

Well,they can endlessly spawn in as long as they keep getting killed as they just go back.
Telepathy wouldnt work on hells minions as they have strong minds just like the aliens.
As much as I hate to say it but this is actually a fight the xenos are at odds at.(why they hell is everyone forgetting the marines?)

[SM]

Can a denizen of Hell be truly killed?

[predxeno]

Well,they can endlessly spawn in as long as they keep getting killed as they just go back.
Telepathy wouldnt work on hells minions as they have strong minds just like the aliens.

I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that once a demon is killed, that its soul or whatever regenerates in Hell; I think it's dead permanently.  Also, I'd say that humans are strong-minded but that clearly hasn't stopped Aliens from messing with their heads.

As much as I hate to say it but this is actually a fight the xenos are at odds at.(why they hell is everyone forgetting the marines?)

It's always cooler when the monsters fight each other; humans vs humans we can see on TV.   But as I said earlier, AVP EU gives AVP marines the edge; mostly cause there's so little information about Doom Marine's weapons.

[SiL]

That was an example to show their capability and resourcefulness more than anything else, actually.

Still irrelevant.

I actually have evidence to back up my claim, Aliens do seem to have some psychic abilities, at least according to the EU, to the extent that they have brainwashed humans into worshipping them as Gods and spreading their infestation.

No, you don't. They weren't brainwashed into worshipping them. They went mad from nightmares.

I'm sure the Alien lifecycle can adjust to keep up, also I'm not very fond of the term "endlessly" as that's less factual and more opinionated.

Then you've never played Doom on higher difficulty settings ...

[predxeno]

I actually have evidence to back up my claim, Aliens do seem to have some psychic abilities, at least according to the EU, to the extent that they have brainwashed humans into worshipping them as Gods and spreading their infestation.

No, you don't. They weren't brainwashed into worshipping them. They went mad from nightmares.

Isn't that a technicality?  Evolution has designed creatures to operate in ways that are never intentional on the organism's part, but were, in fact, designed toward a higher purpose.  Take one's phobia of heights for example, I remember an article stating that those that possessed this trait when they were still monkeys in trees managed to survive and procreate into today's generation while those that did not have this trait fell to their deaths.

I'm sure the Alien lifecycle can adjust to keep up, also I'm not very fond of the term "endlessly" as that's less factual and more opinionated.

Then you've never played Doom on higher difficulty settings ...

I admit I have always played it on the medium difficulty setting (Hurt Me Plenty), however I have completed Master Levels for Doom 2 and let me tell you it was no cake walk; the Black Tower wad had swarms enough of enemies, I think the image of an army of Pinkies swarming into the tower to greet me as I was exiting the nightmarish building has been forever etched into my mind.  Regardless, if my theory that Aliens can create multiple embryos for a single host, then the Hell numbers problem is essentially eradicated.

[SiL]

Isn't that a technicality?

Uh, no. There's a very distinct, non-technical difference between driving someone mad, and making them think something.

I admit I have always played it on the medium difficulty setting (Hurt Me Plenty), however I have completed Master Levels for Doom 2 and let me tell you it was no cake walk; the Black Tower wad had swarms enough of enemies, I think the image of an army of Pinkies swarming into the tower to greet me as I was exiting the nightmarish building has been forever etched into my mind.

In "Nightmare" they respawn endlessly.

Regardless, if my theory that Aliens can create multiple embryos for a single host, then the Hell numbers problem is essentially eradicated.

The only methods shown of creating multiple Aliens per host have either been down to tampering, grossly inefficient (Labyrinth does it in the flashback, doesn't it?), or requires a specialised Alien having to get in close proximity with the hosts (PredAlien).

So, no, it's not eradicated. Aliens produce four Aliens to a host, big whoop; bring in some mancubii, Hell Knights, and Spider-Demons and you've got enough firepower to level a hive. You've got four more Aliens? Each of those is killing four a minute. Trites can combat the face-huggers, or throw some Lost Souls at them and see if they try to impregnate them, then watch as the Lost Souls explode. Hell, just send in Lost Souls, they explode when they die. How are the Aliens going to defend against that?

And something both sides have forgotten so far:

The forces of Hell can possess other organisms. Nothing says Aliens would be immune, so now you've also got legions of demon Aliens attacking the Aliens. The Aliens produce multiple Aliens per host? Sweet, more for the demons to possess!

There's no winning situation for the Aliens.