https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1384197644294053896
I certainly hope that Hadley's Hope isn't still standing in this. It should be utterly disintegrated.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 19, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1384197644294053896
I certainly hope that Hadley's Hope isn't still standing in this. It should be utterly disintegrated.
First one-shot! Nice find NA!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 19, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1384197644294053896
I certainly hope that Hadley's Hope isn't still standing in this. It should be utterly disintegrated.
I think the cover makes it clear that the whole colony won't be disintegrated, I just hope it's more damaged than in Colonial Marines - fully functional with a few holes in the walls.
A quick Google search of Dave Wacther didn't lead me to any controversies...
So it's glowing ?
ok
Artist seems to be a bit more promising than what we've had with Marvel so far
Noto is a great artist. It would be cool to see him actually on one of these books, rather than just a cover.
I don't know if it is intentional, but since this comic is in celebration of Aliens' 35th anniversary, the white Alien on the cover actually made me think a bit of the drones in Cameron's script.
It's probably just artistic license considering the cover of Infiltrator.
Or perhaps... get this!
It's a ghost Alien we'll be exploring the ruins of Hadley's Hope with as it's narrated with the cadence of Vincent Price as it tells us of it's past life, hopes and regrets and lost love, before an emotional end when it goes to rest forever.
Interesting that they're revisiting Hadley's Hope. Wonder if that might be getting a little too old hat. But the whole journalistic angle is interesting. Interested to see how that plays out. Curious to see if they're throwing out River of Pain/Fire and Stone, or leaning into that.
I'm curious how it might do either in your opinion considering the story's timeframe.
Colonial Marines is BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!!!
Yes a monster with no soul wanting that makes sense.
Turk is upon us!
ffs
Back at Hadley's Hope with a glowing alien? April fools day was over two weeks ago Marvel.
The "glowing Alien" could very well just be the cover. Noto's a go-to guy at Marvel for really nice, stylized covers that also kind of exaggerate whatever lies in the contents of the book itself (and his covers often tend to be better than the internal art, to boot). I'm very ok with the Alien on this cover.
I'm worried about a return expedition to LV-426 in which there is still rubble from Hadley's Hope laying about, however.
Quote from: razeak on Apr 19, 2021, 09:34:20 PM
Turk is upon us!
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Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 19, 2021, 08:58:42 PM
Yes a monster with no soul wanting that makes sense.
Wait what?
A uruk-hai.
I thought your post an obvious play on "Meat's back on the menu boys!" from LOTR.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 19, 2021, 11:48:36 PM
A uruk-hai.
I don't get it
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 19, 2021, 11:48:36 PM
A uruk-hai.
I thought your post an obvious play on "Meat's back on the menu boys!" from LOTR.
I honestly couldn't remember what the quote was from, I just used it because it seemed appropriate
I see that's fair, just to be clear I remember you saying you got burned by Colonial Marines, so I thought your post sarcastic. Hence quoting a meme.
Here's the artist of this issue, with a breakdown of his process in the thread that follows. Look ma, no tracing! :D
https://twitter.com/DaveWachter/status/1382380030462922756
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 20, 2021, 01:05:08 AM
I see that's fair, just to be clear I remember you saying you got burned by Colonial Marines, so I thought your post sarcastic. Hence quoting a meme.
Oh, yeah, I was just being flippant because "Hadley's Hope survived" was A:CM's schtick.
Do you think it's possible to make such an idea worth the obvious issues?
With ACM being worst case scenario, and in my opinion AVP Classic being best case scenario, so far.
Perhaps they will go the route of nothing standing with this one.
To be fair, Hadley's Hope wasn't around in AvPClassic. The Derelict was, but the Tech Manual gave an out for its survival.
Yes, I know the poster!
Hopefully this is a new direction, post-Aliens.
It looks (I hope) to be part of the general concerted effort for an organised continuity.
Alien The RPG Corebook, Chariot Of The Gods, The Destroyer Of Worlds, Colonial Marines Operations Manual, Cold Forge, Into Charybdis, Isolation, Fireteam, Phalanx and so on.
But as it's a one shot I don't expect it to be the start of a larger story.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 19, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
The "glowing Alien" could very well just be the cover. Noto's a go-to guy at Marvel for really nice, stylized covers that also kind of exaggerate whatever lies in the contents of the book itself (and his covers often tend to be better than the internal art, to boot). I'm very ok with the Alien on this cover.
I'm worried about a return expedition to LV-426 in which there is still rubble from Hadley's Hope laying about, however.
But the cover doesn't really look stylised to me. Everything in it looks normal - apart from Alien itself
Ghost Aliens, clearly.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 19, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
It's probably just artistic license considering the cover of Infiltrator.
Or perhaps... get this!
It's a ghost Alien we'll be exploring the ruins of Hadley's Hope with as it's narrated with the cadence of Vincent Price as it tells us of it's past life, hopes and regrets and lost love, before an emotional end when it goes to rest forever.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2021, 05:33:38 AM
Ghost Aliens, clearly.
(https://i.imgur.com/5wmulGq.gif?noredirect)
I almost willing to bet some money that it's gonna be explained as Alien sucking a shit ton of radiation into itself
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 20, 2021, 05:36:59 AM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 19, 2021, 07:28:05 PM
It's probably just artistic license considering the cover of Infiltrator.
Or perhaps... get this!
It's a ghost Alien we'll be exploring the ruins of Hadley's Hope with as it's narrated with the cadence of Vincent Price as it tells us of it's past life, hopes and regrets and lost love, before an emotional end when it goes to rest forever.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2021, 05:33:38 AM
Ghost Aliens, clearly.
https://i.imgur.com/5wmulGq.gif?noredirect
Great minds think alike.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2021, 05:33:38 AM
Ghost Aliens, clearly.
I'd also thought holograms. Not sure how. But...better than ghost Aliens or irradiated Aliens. Plus Colonial Marines already used that last one for their variants. Not that you'd know in the actual story.
I think it's just a Weaver but with artistic license.
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 20, 2021, 05:47:48 AM
I almost willing to bet some money that it's gonna be explained as Alien sucking a shit ton of radiation into itself
Boiler Aliens did it first!
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Just pretend I posted FassbenderPerfection.gif here
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 20, 2021, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 20, 2021, 05:47:48 AM
I almost willing to bet some money that it's gonna be explained as Alien sucking a shit ton of radiation into itself
Boiler Aliens did it first!
Your point ?
It was a joke
ok
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 20, 2021, 03:17:19 AM
To be fair, Hadley's Hope wasn't around in AvPClassic. The Derelict was, but the Tech Manual gave an out for its survival.
It's in Level 2, isn't it?
I *love* that game. It's weird playing it now. I remember installing it onto a 6GB hard and gasping at how good the graphics were... At the time it felt like being there in the wreckage of the colony (in 2145 -they weren't so hot on continuity back then)
Quote from: apc on Apr 21, 2021, 02:06:37 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 20, 2021, 03:17:19 AM
To be fair, Hadley's Hope wasn't around in AvPClassic. The Derelict was, but the Tech Manual gave an out for its survival.
It's in Level 2, isn't it?
I *love* that game. It's weird playing it now. I remember installing it onto a 6GB hard and gasping at how good the graphics were... At the time it felt like being there in the wreckage of the colony (in 2145 -they weren't so hot on continuity back then)
Nope, different colony and atmosphere processor.
The glowstick alien doesn't inspire confidence. Here's hoping they get someone who can actually draw to do the actual art though.
Standalone story so I see it as non canon and then I can accept it taking place in the ruins of the colony and we most likely will see something far out as radiated aliens or ghost aliens which I think it is.
Why far stretched: first of all the atmosphere processor thats over 1 km big in height and widht would easily nuke the colony to pieces, wouldnt be anything left, as Bishop said: the blast will be the size of Nebraska. If the colony is standing like in colonial marines or in this comic then it breaks all laws of physics.
IF so then the xenos would easily survive it, seen in earth war and their ability to survive that such things are survivable.
Also xenos dont react to radiation, like coachroaches they are unharmed by it, hence I hate colonial marines making strange mutations and new aliens due to radiation, sigh.
Phil Noto can more than draw.
Quote from: judge death on Apr 21, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
Standalone story so I see it as non canon
Standalone, in this case, refers to this issue as a one and done narrative without followup issues. The term doesn't have any bearing on its canonicity.
This will be just as canon as the ongoing run Marvel currently has going; that is to say, canon until something else contradicts it, like all of the other expanded universe material.
So will this comic have the same page count as alien issue 1?
Quote from: judge death on Apr 21, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
as Bishop said: the blast will be the size of Nebraska.
Worth pointing out that Bishop was using hyperbole, the blast wasn't
literally the size of the state of Nebraska.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 22, 2021, 03:32:58 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 21, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
as Bishop said: the blast will be the size of Nebraska.
Worth pointing out that Bishop was using hyperbole, the blast wasn't literally the size of the state of Nebraska.
That and the fact that most of the explosion was below ground level means Hadley's could still be somewhat intact. I never understood why people got so hung up on that.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Apr 22, 2021, 03:46:18 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 22, 2021, 03:32:58 AM
Quote from: judge death on Apr 21, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
as Bishop said: the blast will be the size of Nebraska.
Worth pointing out that Bishop was using hyperbole, the blast wasn't literally the size of the state of Nebraska.
That and the fact that most of the explosion was below ground level means Hadley's could still be somewhat intact. I never understood why people got so hung up on that.
Where do you have sources for that?
In Alien blueprints book, there are no below ground levels, it was completely above ground level. Standing at 1500 meters tall, its fusion reactor making 1 terrawatt and at a temperature of 5000Kelvins. Its blast being equal to 40 megaton, making a possible chernobyl nuclear explosion that would wipe out all of europe, look small. According to weyland yutani report its blast radius would be 40km. The colony being around 2 km away from the reactor.
Even if its underground a such blast would totaly wipe out a colony that close.Do I need to point out chernobyl thats way smaller could in theory wipe out whole of europe, and this fusin reactor being way more powerful and bigger, could easily do the same if not more, even basic nuclear knowledge will tell with logic: the colony is f**ked.
In all sources besides colony marines the colony is destroyed and is the idea since the Aliens movie came out.
https://alienanthology.fandom.com/wiki/Hadley%27s_Hope#Destruction
Hicks and hudsona nd bishop etc in the movie gets panic and knows they are f**ked and that is why they made their deseprate attempt at escaping with the second lander.
If the blast is as weak as it was in colony marines and now with this marvel comic, then there isnt any reason for them to panic, why not even speed up the fusion reactors explosion and make it a tactic? By exploding it, it kills the aliens and the marines could sit tight in operations and be completely fine.
Makes them look dumb to strip the marines of their weapons and their escape when they could sit tight and blow the nuclear reactor.
Maybe you say: radiation, but we know in the marvel comic and colonial marines there arent any, ed o neil and the others never complained about radiation, and radiation wouldnt magicly disappear in that short time, it needs 100 000 years.
Another issue is: once the reactor is gone, the atmosphere and air would disappear, having people walk on the surface like its earth long after the destruction isnt realistic.
Plus what we saw in aliens and then alien 3 and alienr esurrection that clearly indicates the colony was wiped out, and the derelight ship too which is 40 km away from the colony according to weyland yutani report book.
So having the colony surviving a explosion that nearly got the drop ship several kilometers up in the air by the time it exploded, dont make sense in any realistic way.
The Derelict was behind a mountain range and survived the blast, per the Tech Manual. Did it's cargo of eggs get destroyed? Maybe, maybe not. (I say it didn't)
Unless another movie comes along and says otherwise, I'd say that Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection are pretty definitive about the Derelict being wiped out in the explosion; WY in Alien 3 is pretty desperate to get Ripley for her sample, and the USM state that an Alien hasn't been seen since and have to resort to pretty extreme measures to obtain their sample via cloning.
Obviously according to (every iteration of) the EU there are plenty of Alien samples out and about in that timeframe regardless of what the movies say, so there is definitely precedent for this comic, like so many others, to handwave all of that and say that the Derelict survived regardless. Into Charybdis, for example, is but one of many stories that has Aliens running around post-Alien 3, and I happen to love that book. Canon with details like this is always very fluid, so I just kind of roll with it, take what I like, and ignore the rest - and only really take into consideration whichever story I'm currently watching/reading/experiencing in the moment, anyways. And hell, even as far as the movies are concerned now, there are still unaccounted vases of Pathogen on LV-223 and Eggs on Paradise.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2021, 06:41:25 PMAnd hell, even as far as the movies are concerned now, there are still unaccounted vases of Pathogen on LV-223 and Eggs on Paradise.
Has any attempt been made to explain why the company didn't try sending a follow-up mission to LV-223? If the black goo is what they really want, they should have no trouble getting it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2021, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2021, 06:41:25 PMAnd hell, even as far as the movies are concerned now, there are still unaccounted vases of Pathogen on LV-223 and Eggs on Paradise.
Has any attempt been made to explain why the company didn't try sending a follow-up mission to LV-223? If the black goo is what they really want, they should have no trouble getting it.
Thats a good question, its very close to LV 426, losing their CEO would make ita goal to get to that place and investigate.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2021, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2021, 06:41:25 PMAnd hell, even as far as the movies are concerned now, there are still unaccounted vases of Pathogen on LV-223 and Eggs on Paradise.
Has any attempt been made to explain why the company didn't try sending a follow-up mission to LV-223? If the black goo is what they really want, they should have no trouble getting it.
It's pretty nebulous as far as I know. I feel like Life and Death implied that Engineer tech had cloaking, so that's probably why the Company couldn't see what was there, but I agree the lack of them ever sending someone to check out what happened to Weyland seems odd. It's really unclear what's till canon, but they missed a whole xenomorph hive on 223 because they never looked.
Did they know Weyland was on board the Prometheus?
Even if they weren't aware of Weyland being alive/on the Prometheus mission, we do know from Covenant that the Prometheus getting lost wasn't exactly a secret – so it is safe to assume, by extension, that it was known that Vickers was on board.
True. Whether they knew about Weyland or not is kinda irrelevant. It was a trillion-dollar company expedition so I'd imagine they'd want to know what happened.
Also how much that project costed the company, if I recall it was record sums and the state of the art engines and technology onboard and the ship was way more advanced than anything existing by the time they set off.
Dont think the company will just write it off and not bother try to find it.
I definitely think there's room for some kind of return expedition/search for Prometheus type story in a book or comic. Initially I figured that's what the Prometheus sequel would be, before Covenant went in a very different direction.
Depending on when such a story is set, the disappearance of the ship and of Vickers could even be core factors that contribute to the merger with Yutani.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2021, 06:41:25 PM
Unless another movie comes along and says otherwise, I'd say that Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection are pretty definitive about the Derelict being wiped out in the explosion; WY in Alien 3 is pretty desperate to get Ripley for her sample, and the USM state that an Alien hasn't been seen since and have to resort to pretty extreme measures to obtain their sample via cloning.
The Tech Manual addresses the former - the Fury 161 mission happens nearly concurrently with a mission to go to the Derelict; the Ripley mission is considered more urgent since they have 100% confirmed reports of live Aliens while the Derelict is a gamble. 1 in the hand vs 2 in the bush and all that.
They don't say they haven't seen an Alien since Ripley (and the current, and former, EU basically show that that isn't the case :P ), they only say they haven't been able to get a sample. That doesn't strictly need to be because of Alien3; "for all intents and purposes" doesn't need to literally mean she killed them all, just that samples are inaccessible to the Auriga for any number of reasons. Restricted space, quarantines, not wanting to draw attention to their illegal operation, etc. Cloning Ripley may have genuinely been their only option despite other Aliens being out there in the galaxy somewhere.
Besides, I'm more than willing to creatively reinterpret one bad line from a movie in favor of other, better stories.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2021, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2021, 06:41:25 PMAnd hell, even as far as the movies are concerned now, there are still unaccounted vases of Pathogen on LV-223 and Eggs on Paradise.
Has any attempt been made to explain why the company didn't try sending a follow-up mission to LV-223? If the black goo is what they really want, they should have no trouble getting it.
Isn't that what Fire & Stone is about? It's been a while since I read it.
Prometheus' viral publicity teased Yutani, before the merger. Maybe they can come with a mission to LV-223. Hopefully with a fresh story that does not culminate with the infected crew. There didn't seem to be much on LV-223, other than a few domes. But given it's fiction, they can invent something I guess.
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Re: Fire and Stone.
Yes and no. It is a Weyland team looking to follow up on what happened to the Prometheus but it's like 100 years after the fact. That's probably due to constraints from the studio, though. They sort of try to answer why they never went back in Life and Death, with the Marines putting LV-223 on quarantine but that's super weak given how powerful WY and then the USM are after that.
WY tends to be as powerful as the narrative requires it to be - in 'Aliens', it's not that powerful in the grand scheme of things.
I completely passed on reading Fire & Stone (and its followup) on the basis of being crossovers, to be honest. AVP just doesn't do it for me. It always bummed me out that Dark Horse's only excursion into prequel material was in a crossover title.
Quote from: Ultramorph on Apr 22, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
Re: Fire and Stone.
Yes and no. It is a Weyland team looking to follow up on what happened to the Prometheus but it's like 100 years after the fact. That's probably due to constraints from the studio, though. They sort of try to answer why they never went back in Life and Death, with the Marines putting LV-223 on quarantine but that's super weak given how powerful WY and then the USM are after that.
Just my opinion, but I think
Fire & Stone should be retconned in favor of a new take.
Agreed it is just a mess, although I truly wish it worked, as I adore the idea of going back but it just went sideways right from the start with what it did to the planet.
I haven't read Into Charybdis yet, but I have read interesting things in the spoilers. I would like something more serious. Like there, but after Prometheus, as part of Alien and not AVP.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 22, 2021, 09:48:25 PM
I completely passed on reading Fire & Stone (and its followup) on the basis of being crossovers, to be honest. AVP just doesn't do it for me. It always bummed me out that Dark Horse's only excursion into prequel material was in a crossover title.
The Alien and Prometheus stories kinda work on their own, although you're missing parts of the narrative if you don't read the other parts.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 22, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
Agreed it is just a mess, although I truly wish it worked, as I adore the idea of going back but it just went sideways right from the start with what it did to the planet.
I actually liked what it did to the planet, I thought the black goo going wild and messing the planet up was really cool.
But it does not do that, I can not reconcile that with what we see in the films, or in my opinion other depictions that get it much closer to the mark- such as The RPG, Cold Forge, Into Charybdis, and so on honestly.
It is total nonsense to me.
And I'm so glad we have moved away from it.
I think we've had this discussion before and we'll have to agree to disagree. I didn't see any problems between Prometheus and Fire & Stone, or really any irreconcilable differences with Covenant for that matter.
You call it nonsense, I call it "scary chaos" - you don't know what the goo is going to do but you know it's not going to be fun. I'm totally cool with that.
Isn't it just an accelerant?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 22, 2021, 10:58:45 PM
Isn't it just an accelerant?
In Fire & Stone? I think so - it causes unpredictable "evolutionary" changes, and it causes them very quickly.
The stronger stories don't go with that and that's part their quality. The unknown can be scary but when it's got no quantifiable factors it just ultimately becomes eye rolling. That's part of why Cold Forge, and Into Charybdis work, when you know in part what's going to happen when X approaches Y it creates dread.
So when you set up the rules in the first book then pay them off in the sequel, it is infinitely better storytelling than just doing whatever arbitrarily, and for one particular character that creates something that's genuine not just narratively but thematically.
The Pathogen does not affect flora in the films so to me that's a obvious contradiction, and it eliminates all the fauna, it does not create an ecosystem.
The pathogen in the first movie didn't kill all life, it changed it - that's what it did in F&S. Just because we didn't see it changing the limited flora we see in Prometheus doesn't mean it couldn't do it. That's F&S's point - what we saw in Prometheus was the tip of the iceberg, and who knows what's under the surface or how deep it goes. "What's going to happen? Nothing good" is also dread, even if you don't know what's going to happen. Prometheus and Alien coasted on that pretty heavily for first-time viewers.
Saying F&S contradicts movies plural seems bizarre seeing as how Covenant didn't exist when F&S was written. :P
Again, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I will grant you that upon first viewing it's easy to come away with the interpretation that it's just change, but when you go look at Prometheus' development it becomes clear what it is driving at with the Ebola comparison, them talking about Holloway and Fifield all being part of one process, and the other drafts, I just honestly think the people behind Fire and Stone did not do their research and it shows.
And to be fair I did originally write above "the films" though, that's all of them, not just the one at the time of it's production.
Well I mean, what I said still stands - comparing F&S to Prometheus, the one thing readers and moviegoers would have to compare it to, F&S is fine. Comparing it to behind-the-scenes stuff that the audience isn't privy to unless they go hunting is a little unfair. Is it an interesting footnote? Sure, but F&S still doesn't contradict Prometheus.
'Aliens' contradicts the behind-the-scenes intent of the Alien lifecycle in the first movie, and James Cameron knew it - his reasoning was "if it's not on-screen in the movie, it doesn't count" (and rightly so).
I thought we were gonna agree to disagree? 😅
Anyway though, never brought up it contradicting Prometheus just as it is, even though I think it does to a degree but not as explicitly necessarily.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Apr 22, 2021, 11:48:20 PM
I thought we were gonna agree to disagree? 😅
Can do, I apologize. :)
Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 22, 2021, 11:22:24 PM
Saying F&S contradicts movies plural seems bizarre seeing as how Covenant didn't exist when F&S was written. :P
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https://twitter.com/davewachter/status/1396916812961431560
Oh, hmm... maybe I take back what I said in the other thread. This might actually wind up looking quite nice. I'm digging this illustration.
That does look good.
Now that's how you do comic book art Marvel.... Of course not judging from one illustration just yet.
https://comic-watch.com/news/news-watch-return-to-hadleys-hope-in-a-first-look-at-marvels-aliens-aftermath-1
Already looks loads better visually.
That it does... and as an average dipshit who doesn't know much about thermonuclear explosions, the colony looks destroyed enough for me.
Idk, spooky glowing Alien is ... kinda not spooky ? Like it misses the point ?
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Jun 16, 2021, 06:33:57 PM
That it does... and as an average dipshit who doesn't know much about thermonuclear explosions, the colony looks destroyed enough for me.
Well, you just have to roll with it so the story can happen. Hopefully it will be worth it. Otherwise ...
Spoiler
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Ripley, in nineteen minutes this area is going to be a cloud of vapor the size of Nebraska!
Art seems to be pretty in line with the average contemporary Dark Horse Aliens issue, which is much better than the current Marvel ongoing.
I actually quite like the splash page.
Looks good! Can't wait to get my hands on it! Loving that next month we get two Alien comics.
I will treat this as the first to be nicer.
https://www.perfectorganism.com/home/2021/6/15/166-interviewing-benjamin-percy-writer-of-aliens-aftermath
I'm only halfway through but Percy did drop some details.
Spoiler
Main character is Vasquez's nephew (Cutter Vasquez)
They're led to Hadley Hope by some info they found doing activist activities against Weyland-Yutani
The Alien seems to be exactly what we think it is, effected by the radioactive fallout (with a little bit of winter camouflage in there, I suspect) and Percy calls it the Atomic Alien.
Seems like a really cool dude so far.
Spoiler
The idea of an Alien surviving at Hadley's Hope and glowing with radioactivity is just so so stupid
.
Spoiler
Also why does it have a dome.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 18, 2021, 07:13:30 AM
https://www.perfectorganism.com/home/2021/6/15/166-interviewing-benjamin-percy-writer-of-aliens-aftermath
I'm only halfway through but Percy did drop some details.
Spoiler
Main character is Vasquez's nephew (Cutter Vasquez)
They're lead to Hadley Hope by some info they found doing activist activities against Weyland-Yutani
The Alien seems to be exactly what we think it is, effected by the radioactive fallout (with a little bit of winter camouflage in there, I suspect) and Percy calls it the Atomic Alien.
Seems like a really cool dude so far.
Spoiler
Something something Vasquez relative reminds me terribly a lot about one particular comic
Atomic Alien sounds like an super-hero/villain name
Quote from: SiL on Jun 18, 2021, 07:34:00 AM
Spoiler
Also why does it have a dome.
Man, I didn't even thought of that !
I do love how it looks despite the silliness of the situation.
Spoiler
I'm guessing this anti-Weyland-Yutani group is likely going to be the same group that Cruz's son is part of in the ongoing.
That sounds like Kaiju level of silliness, just that kinda out of places. :laugh:
How long until things start getting really silly and we see a comic with Ripley in a Kenner Alien Queen suit fighting a real Alien Queen in a WY facility? ;)
You are definitely on to something, and if so I wonder if they will perform their infamous tracing habit as in certain unmade story prior to the original Alien. :laugh:
https://twitter.com/DaveWachter/status/1407019342982791172
https://twitter.com/DaveWachter/status/1407019352235331590
The glowing alien may be a silly idea, but that there is art! That's what gets me excited for a comic!
Stole from Engineer on Facebooki.
When's the culmination of this anniversary celebration then?
Well...that Alien just looks ridiculous.
I have to say, silly glow on the Alien aside, I'm quite looking forward to this. Sounds like a decent story, firmly connected to one of the movies. I'll be checking this out.
Why's there so much open hostility towards Marvel? Dark Horse also released crap but there was never such animosity towards them.
There were people attacking Marvel because a comic book featured an alien surviving in the vacuum of space, and we had the exact same scenario in Aliens Vol. 2, back in 1989.
Reason №1: Greg Land
Reason №2: Salvador Larroca
Dark Horse also had a good start before fumbling now and then...
Marvel has not had a good start.
True dat
Quote from: Kane's other son on Jul 08, 2021, 06:52:14 PM
Why's there so much open hostility towards Marvel? Dark Horse also released crap but there was never such animosity towards them.
There were people attacking Marvel because a comic book featured an alien surviving in the vacuum of space, and we had the exact same scenario in Aliens Vol. 2, back in 1989.
My issues with marvel: Artists stealing art and tracing it off all the time, cheap art and lifeless, tristian jones almost compared it to: take neca aliens and photo them and call it a comic book. Stealing art from fans and deviantart etc.
Story is lackluster and the dialog is silly and like when they fight alien: talk all the time and one soldier who have no stomach left can still somehow lift his pulse rifle and shot and talk.
Then we have all other issues marvel done and saying dark horse didnt do anything with the alien franchise.... Sell wise maygbe but dark horse had far better quality and got it more right than marvel so far. Marvel so far seem to aim to release comic after comic at rapid pace and no much quality control and let the artist trace away to be able to keep those deadlines, which is cheap and bad for us fans when other comic makers take years to give us much better and unique art.
Edit I forgot to mention: the artist even drew off himself as the main charachter in the story which we will have to endure forever as its a ongoing story with no end. sigh.
So Aliens : Aftermath one shot is out.
While I appreciate the art is original and not traced, the
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idea of a fluorescent light toned Xenomorph that survived the nuclear blast on LV-426, drips acid that makes people's arms freeze, drop off and smash into a million pieces in some T-1000 like fashion is a little silly.
Final cover with the anniversary logo and new font for Aftermath. Looking forward to having a read over dinner.
(https://media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/1c/5b/bb5fe947c723221cf11c88334cb1361478d7.jpeg)
Not read yet.
https://monkeysfightingrobots.co/review-aliens-aftermath-1-an-unnecessary-sequel/
I enjoyed it. Solid read.
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Annoying that he found Vasquez's smartgun in what I'm guessing was supposed to be Ops. As always, hate the reused dialogue. But otherwise I thought it was worth a read. The radioactive Alien is take-it-or-leave it. I was indifferent to it tbh. Looked cool though. The artwork was damn good. Rather this guy be on the main line! Unsure about the twist with Russ, though that panel was pretty sweet.
Fairly nice art, and an interesting premise, BUT......
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As someone else has already pointed out, what was Vasquez's gun doing in a totally different part of the colony from where she died? And as for the whole "subject zero" thing, the first colonist to be infected was Newt's father, and Newt told Ripley he was dead. So, sadly, it kind of falls apart. A shame, really, as I really wanted to like this.
This was ultimately pretty redundant and silly (though I guess the ending is a big deal?). Neat art, though.
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First confirmation of a living, breathing Yutani, right?
Oh also the liquid nitrogen blood felt like something out of a cartoon.
Also I really hope that one day they can move past the obsession with going back to going back to LV-426.
Nice art. Enjoyed the story.
LOTS of censored F-bombs though. That annoys me. Just write around it if you can't print the word. Makes it feel like I'm holding something that's been edited, like I'm watching Aliens on cable.
I've seen comments stating that having an alien glow misses the point of the creature. I'd argue that the "point" is adaptability to its environment. Environment is frozen over in nuclear winter, so it glows and
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has extremely cold blood.
Whatever. I'm down.
Redundant and silly as it may be, I liked it way more than the main Marvel run. That's for damn sure.
Quote from: EJA on Jul 14, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
Fairly nice art, and an interesting premise, BUT......
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As someone else has already pointed out, what was Vasquez's gun doing in a totally different part of the colony from where she died? And as for the whole "subject zero" thing, the first colonist to be infected was Newt's father, and Newt told Ripley he was dead. So, sadly, it kind of falls apart. A shame, really, as I really wanted to like this.
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I don't remember where Vasquez dropped her smartgun, but I know she didn't have it by the time she died.
And who says Newt saw her father die? Maybe she was told he was dead, or she assumed it because she saw everyone else die.
Sounds like more a miss thing then for me, although better than amrvels main series but this comic seem to been written by someone who watched aliens once a long time ago and wrote a sequel without knowing the details. As soon as a hardcore alien fan reads it and see all these misses, the story falls apart, the sewing collapses as we pull the string so to speak.
-Xenos are like coachroaches, radiations houldnt even damage them, like in earth war where they were unharmed by the fallout after the nukes blew earth pretty much. They are the perfect organism and I have hard time seeing coachroaches beating xenos at survival rate.
- Having acid being super cold and making stuff it touches into ice and then behave like T-1000 is just silly, and the xeno being bright.
_Hadleys hope was blown up, shouldnt even be anything left of it if the writer read up on the blast which is well written in blueprints book and other sources. But then we wouldnt have this comic so I give it a pass for now.
- Vazques smartgun was left outside the apc in the atmosphere processor, shouldnt be in operations area.
-then the incorrect info on newts father.
Plus point: is for the art which isnt as glaring traced off unlike the main series....
To me it seems the writer or artist and most who hail this comic havent watched aliens or paid attention to the movie to the level we do.
The retcons with the movie involving Newt's father don't bother me too much. Nor does the glowing irradiated Alien - it's a comic. Comics are where the silly stuff like this with the Alien should be happening (and, along with Jeunet's filmmaking style, that "sillier stuff" is a big part of why I can so easily look at Resurrection as some hypothetical adaptation of a non-existent Dark Horse run from the 90s).
Hadley's Hope still standing, even just in part, does bother me, though. I'd be more than ok if we never saw a post-Aliens LV-426 again.
wouldnt see this as a retcon but more its own comic fantasy thing myself, but I still is annoyed by making the xenos weak for radiation. well just nuke them, problem solved, which is why I liked dark horse version: radiation dont harm them, perfect.
Well, the radiation didn't exactly harm or weaken the Alien here. It just prompted a mutation to better deal with its new habitat.
A very, very silly mutation, mind you. And not something I'd really want to see in a film. But at the end of the day it is a mutation that made the Alien just as strong as it was before, just in a different way that is catered more to its new setting.
I would claim having the xeno light up in the dark and unable to hide, and the acid isnt acid anymore but freezing flesh is a big downgrade myself, and also radiation mutating them is also a downgrade in my eyes :P
Can't say I was a fan of how this one panned out.
Quality-wise, it's like a generic Dark Horse comic, but because they decided to take a dip in Lake Retcon, instead of just making it about someone's link to a completely original colony, it kind of f**ks itself over the head at points.
At least one major canonical mistake: The Colonial Marines, during '
Aliens', were never "hired out by Weyland-Yutani". This is one of those false assumptions fandom popularises in the same way as thinking 'xenomorph' specifically means
the Alien, instead of understanding the context in which Gorman applied it (and obvious fact that nobody, including the scientific community at large, acknowledged the creatures Ripley described even existed, let alone gave them an official designation).
The troops bitch about always having to go out and check whenever a colony goes dark, typically having to fix malfunctioning communications equipment. Burke's there in the same capacity as Ripley - a civilian advisor. There is an
entire scene devoted to Ripley pointing out he has zero jurisdiction over the mission.
Then there's the nuclear winter scenario depicted on LV-426, which is a... Questionable concept.
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-nuclear-winter-a-hoax
Even if it was possible, LV-426 certainly had no woodland to create massive fireballs. It's the equivalent of an isolated nuclear test, here on Earth, in a desert environment - and we never had nuclear winter occur because of those. They might as well have just had the place still raining.
Then we get onto spoilery things:
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As Sil, me and others have pointed out, why a domed Alien? Well, now it's even more weird, because this one seems to have somehow spontaneously evolved from a ridge-headed Alien. Why? Well, that's... It's... Never explained. It was never even explained why it mutated, in the first place.
How do acidic fluids become like liquid nitrogen? No explanation. Guessing it was an 'Alien Resurrection' reference, where the security guard had the same arm frozen and shattered? But it's ultimately a pointless change. It's just change for the sake of change. Doesn't really achieve anything or change the story.
Could have just as easily been a normal Alien. They could have said it was going through one of the sewer ducts when the blast hit or something like that. It's literally just an Alien which seems to glow (making it less able to achieve any surprise, ironically enough).
It's like if a Terminator was showing up in a story with a red endoskeleton. Wow... Interesting visual, but surely, there's a reason for that? Something which could subvert expectations? Change up the usual narrative! Does it mean something other than Skynet manufactured it? Or that different materials are being used, due to a story development? Or maybe some Skynet units somehow got cut off and are making their own faction? All sorts of possibilities!
And then you discover it's... Literally just a red Terminator. It got splashed with paint or something. It's just a normal Terminator and adds nothing. In fact, it got itself out of a car crash and hauled itself through some red paint in the process. That's basically what we have with an Alien in this story.
We also have a terrorist organisation with some strange logic. They're some sort of Marxist-type or eco-terrorist organisation, because they make a big speech about championing workers and standing against "raping planets", but it's difficult to see how they're improving the lot of Weyland-Yutani employees who will, presumably, be unable to complete their voyages shipping out mineral ore. At worst, this could mean they're stranded without fuel and die. At best, they won't be able to complete their contracts and might mean they won't get paid.
So, yeah, kind of counterproductive.
A character talks about his 'tia' being Vasquez (auto-translation tells me this means 'aunt'). He's on a hunt to figure out what happened to her. Now, there's also a character with the surname of Drake, which begs the question of why Drake's fate wasn't an issue, too. Why only interested in Vasquez and not Drake? I might have confused something and need to re-read, but that struck me as odd.
Then there's some bullshit for bullshit's sake: A character who was one of the original colonists of Hadley's Hope, who was facehugged. Which means it was someone who should have been kept in med-lab, with all the facehugger specimens, who were there to try and learn things from. He wasn't, though. No, some of the Hadley's Hope staff decided to take time otu of their busy schedules of survival to insert him, all on his ownsome, down a few levels. It's not clear why they would do this, knowing what's running around, but... It was done.
We also find out the ECA are in cahoots with this terrorist organisation, specifically to f**k Weyland-Yutani over. Why would they be hiring a terrorist group to do this? Why would a government department even choose that route by which to do it? Nobody clarifies... Nobody cares... It's basically an excuse by the writer to do a canonical name-check.
What does the ECA want? Well, instead of hiring their own people to do it, they decide a handful of members of the futuristic equivalent of the Weather Underground would be the super-logical choice to undertake this dangerous mission. It also requires paying them a hefty sum, but... OK, just ignore this. You have to ignore a lot of things in this story.
But behold! A Weyland-Yutani hologram appears! Somehow... On a colony where the Marines had to rely on a big 2D map table to bring up schematics with. Again, ignore the bullshit. Who could it be? It's a wild Miss Yutani! It's super-ineffective!
Ooh, they're going to be nefarious! Mwah-hah-hah-hah! They're going to OFFER MONEY! Yeah!
So, here we have Space Terrorists being offered money to take a clearly important "infected" catatonic body to either a government arm which is evil enough to be working with terrorists - or a private company, which is also evil for similar reasons. It's all kind of... Everyone's evil, everyone wants to f**k everyone else over, everyone is demented, at this point. Except for the guy in the cryopod. Why there would even be cryopods at Hadley's Hope is not made clear, but it was there.
Mind you, considering Burke only ever sent a directive to check out a grid reference, why there would even be communications about secret infected specimens, etcetera, in itself, is a little weird, but again... Ignore the bullshit. Just sit back and enjoy how nobody's worth giving a damn about. It's like 'Alien 3', except without any cool dialogue.
And that's good advice, because someone also gets randomly killed by the X-Man Alien. A very generic kill. Zero tension. Tail goes through gut. You've seen it a million times before. You don't care about the character. Then it shows up again and, y'know... "Rargh! I'm an Alien!" As y'do in a comic.
And that's kind of it. You're treated to a skeleton in Colonial Marine armour. Nice visual touch. Vasquez's smartgun, too (somehow not in the APC where it was originally discarded - Drake's would have been more logical). It's meant to be spooky, but feels by-the-numbers. Because you're here for that glowing Alien! And it glows... And apparently sprays liquid nitrogen. And is only interested in killing, nothing else. Yeah... Totally worth the wait?
That's a big part of what makes this feel so pedestrian. If the big mystery the story sets itself up to be hyped by, that glowing Alien, turns out to not be such a big mystery, after all, then the rest sort of feels like a deflated balloon.
But that mysterious body has a chestburster in it! Even though we knew it would! Like, we were literally shown that communication telling us it would, in advance. So... Predictable ribcage shenanigans ahoy?
And there we have it.
Story: 3/10
Art: 6/10
Tension/atmosphere: 1/10
Believability: :laugh:
I Enjoyed it although there's a pretty glaring loose end
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glowing Alien
that never got addressed. I loved the art on this! So fluid. This comic pretty much confirms that the Marvel storylines are in their own timeline separate from the Titan and Dark Horse stories which I'm totally fine with (and was what I expected in the first place).
Well written Xenomorphine, fully agree on all points and even found stuff I missed. :D
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 14, 2021, 08:19:58 PM
Can't say I was a fan of how this one panned out.
Quality-wise, it's like a generic Dark Horse comic, but because they decided to take a dip in Lake Retcon, instead of just making it about someone's link to a completely original colony, it kind of f**ks itself over the head at points.
At least one major canonical mistake: The Colonial Marines, during 'Aliens', were never "hired out by Weyland-Yutani". This is one of those false assumptions fandom popularises in the same way as thinking 'xenomorph' specifically means the Alien, instead of understanding the context in which Gorman applied it (and obvious fact that nobody, including the scientific community at large, acknowledged the creatures Ripley described even existed, let alone gave them an official designation).
The troops bitch about always having to go out and check whenever a colony goes dark, typically having to fix malfunctioning communications equipment. Burke's there in the same capacity as Ripley - a civilian advisor. There is an entire scene devoted to Ripley pointing out he has zero jurisdiction over the mission.
What's the exact wording in the comic? Because the WY Report and the USCM Tech Manual (and the new RPG's CMOM) do mention that the Company can have some kind of pull over the USCM to some sort of degree sometimes, and that Burke had some leverage over the operation to LV426 (insomuch as he hand-picked Gorman for the mission, even if Ripley and the other marines weren't aware of it).
So it might not entirely be a canonical mistake, depending on the context.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 14, 2021, 10:55:08 PM
What's the exact wording in the comic? Because the WY Report and the USCM Tech Manual (and the new RPG's CMOM) do mention that the Company can have some kind of pull over the USCM to some sort of degree sometimes, and that Burke had some leverage over the operation to LV426 (insomuch as he hand-picked Gorman for the mission, even if Ripley and the other marines weren't aware of it).
So it might not entirely be a canonical mistake, depending on the context.
'
Weyland-Yutani Report' got some things wrong, so, uh... Take it with a grain of salt, eh? :)
"Her unit got hired out by W-Y for some mission. Never to be seen again. All records scrubbed."
It was a routine mission on behalf of the Colonial Marines. Weyland-Yutani had zero pull over them. Burke tries to exert influence by essentially arguing from (non-existent) authority and Ripley points out he has none.
I don't believe for a moment that Burke hand-picked Gorman. He had no military rank. That would be like a Lockheed executive being invited along on a US Marine Corps mission and deciding which personnel get to go. Weyland-Yutani, like Lockheed, are just a supplier. Having lobbyists to try and affect government policies and legislation isn't the same thing as individual executives being able to interfere in a mission.
The quote outright claims the Marines "got hired" to look into LV-426. I mean, good grief... They're not mercenaries being chartered. They talk in the mess hall about always having to check on the well-being of colonies.
Could say the character, himself, is making a false assumption, but considering they're hyper-interested in what happened to Vasquez, you would have thought that they would have got that much right.
Burke not having a military rank doesn't mean he couldn't have picked Gorman. The books I mentioned are awfully specific on the topic.
We're talking about a fictional mega-company's relationship with a fictional military in a fictional future, it can be whatever the writers want it to be.
Burke tries to railroad the mission and Ripley shuts him down, because on paper Burke didn't have authority. If Gorman (hand picked by Burke) had still been awake and Burke was whispering in his ear, things might have played out differently if he decided to side with Burke over Ripley, regardless of anything she might say.
I'd chalk the comic's wording up to semantics - if Burke/the Company pulled a string or two to get the Marines deployed there or had picked Gorman personally, even if the lower ranking Marines aren't aware of the big picture, then yeah they were essentially "hired" if you read between the lines.
It's a heavy-handed and poorly-worded way to express the idea, but it doesn't contradict the picture painted in other sources (or the movie, from a certain point of view - I've always felt Gorman got picked by Burke, even before 3 independent officially licensed books outright confirmed it).
Why is everyone calling this a "one shot"?
It's a new series, right?
It's listed as #1, as in there'll be more.
One-shots are sometimes just listed as #1 even if they're #1 of 1.
That said Marvel's site doesn't say if it's a one shot or part of a series, so I dunno.
Quote from: Sabres21768 on Jul 15, 2021, 12:27:29 AM
Why is everyone calling this a "one shot"?
It's a new series, right?
It's listed as #1, as in there'll be more.
Nah, it's a one-shot. Marvel always brands their one-shots with a big #1 on the cover. #1s always sell well.
Here's the announcement:
QuoteThis July, Marvel Comics will honor the 35th Anniversary of Aliens with a special one-shot by writer Benjamin Percy (WOLVERINE, X-FORCE) and artist Dave Wachter (IRON FIST: HEART OF THE DRAGON). Celebrating one of the most influential science-fiction films of all time, ALIENS: AFTERMATH #1 will be a double-sized issue featuring an all-new story set in the same terrifying universe of Aliens. The action will take place at Hadley's Hope and present a terrifying possible future for LV-426, the location of the groundbreaking 1986 film.
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/35th-anniversary-aliens-aftermath-1-announcement?linkId=116610333
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 14, 2021, 11:35:06 PM
Burke not having a military rank doesn't mean he couldn't have picked Gorman. The books I mentioned are awfully specific on the topic.
The '
Report' also claims Burke had "excellent people skills". :laugh: It gets even weirder when declaring it was "Weyland-Yutani administrators" acting on Burke's advice, who were personally responsible for "sending additional Marines," which does not match up with film canon.
The Alien is also categorised as being "necrotrophic," which means to not only kill a host organism, but to actively feed upon the resulting dead tissues, which isn't factually correct: It gestates in a living host and then evacuates, they never return to consume the cadaver they originally emerged from.
I'll be polite and not comment on how impractical some of the projected hardware at the end is. :)
It's a really nice presentation, but I don't regard it as accurate.
QuoteWe're talking about a fictional mega-company's relationship with a fictional military in a fictional future, it can be whatever the writers want it to be.
Up to a point, yeah. Then things can start to get unrealistic and silly. :)
QuoteBurke tries to railroad the mission and Ripley shuts him down, because on paper Burke didn't have authority. If Gorman (hand picked by Burke) had still been awake and Burke was whispering in his ear, things might have played out differently if he decided to side with Burke over Ripley, regardless of anything she might say.
Burke has literally no authority, whatsoever. The above book makes up a quote from him, saying he's "got a line" with Gorman and that Gorman is somehow in on it, financially, but I don't know where the hell the author got that impression from in the film.
Either way, it's
not Weyland-Yutani who hires the Marines, as the book tries to make out. Marines would be operating under the same sort of protocol today's US Marine Corps does, who act exclusively under US government orders.
Especially when we see that Weyland-Yutani already has its
own specimen retrieval team enforcers it would have called upon, as per '
Alien 3'. Ones which would have shut up and done as he told them. The whole point of the Hadley's Hope incident was that he wanted to cut corners instead of funding a proper mission out there. If this is the set-up we're meant to believe, then why not just send the A3 guys in the Marines' place?
QuoteI'd chalk the comic's wording up to semantics - if Burke/the Company pulled a string or two to get the Marines deployed there or had picked Gorman personally, even if the lower ranking Marines aren't aware of the big picture, then yeah they were essentially "hired" if you read between the lines.
He had no known strings to pull. He's not a member of the government or military. He wouldn't have any say on who gets chosen for the mission.
Nor does it even give any benefit to him. Let's say Gorman is supposedly in on it. What does that even achieve? Gorman's never in a position to do anything on Burke's behalf.
Except get distracted by him to shoot an Alien. :)
QuoteIt's a heavy-handed and poorly-worded way to express the idea, but it doesn't contradict the picture painted in other sources (or the movie, from a certain point of view - I've always felt Gorman got picked by Burke, even before 3 independent officially licensed books outright confirmed it).
It's a theory, granted, but as a definitive statement (as presented in this comic), it doesn't match up with the film.
Officially licenced books have tried to canonise there being Colonial Marines already at Hadley's Hope, but I call BS on that, too. Just as I call BS on '
Fire And Stone' contradicting the events of '
Aliens', too.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 15, 2021, 12:51:26 AM
It's a really nice presentation, but I don't regard it as accurate.
That's fair, I've got my issues with it as well. That said, just because the book got some things "wrong" doesn't mean it got EVERYthing wrong. :P
My point was "Burke picked Gorman" and "the Company has some leverage over the military" isn't an uncommon idea, three different authors drew the same conclusion from the movie (as did I). Evidently, so did the author of the comic.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 15, 2021, 12:51:26 AM
QuoteWe're talking about a fictional mega-company's relationship with a fictional military in a fictional future, it can be whatever the writers want it to be.
Up to a point, yeah. Then things can start to get unrealistic and silly. :)
That really doesn't change what I said though. :P
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 15, 2021, 12:51:26 AMBurke has literally no authority, whatsoever. The above book makes up a quote from him, saying he's "got a line" with Gorman and that Gorman is somehow in on it, financially, but I don't know where the hell the author got that impression from in the film.
It's because Burke brings Gorman to Ripley and he's completely inexperienced and obviously unfamiliar to the other Marines. It's always the way the relationship came across to me - the Marines are all experienced, but the commander (a rookie) comes out of nowhere and is conveniently assigned to them when Burke has a vested interest? Seems like too much of a coincidence. We even know Burke will try to leverage his way into getting what he wants, he literally does it in the movie. Ripley just calls his bluff and he backs down because he doesn't have anyone at his back.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 15, 2021, 12:51:26 AM
Either way, it's not Weyland-Yutani who hires the Marines, as the book tries to make out. Marines would be operating under the same sort of protocol today's US Marine Corps does, who act exclusively under US government orders.
We don't know this - it's still fictional, as I said.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 15, 2021, 12:51:26 AM
Especially when we see that Weyland-Yutani already has its own specimen retrieval team enforcers it would have called upon, as per 'Alien 3'. Ones which would have shut up and done as he told them. The whole point of the Hadley's Hope incident was that he wanted to cut corners instead of funding a proper mission out there. If this is the set-up we're meant to believe, then why not just send the A3 guys in the Marines' place?
Leveraging the Marines to some degree in order to have them "on the books" isn't outside the real of possibility, as opposed to Alien3 where they could use their PMCs to do whatever they wanted since they own the planet.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 15, 2021, 12:51:26 AM
QuoteI'd chalk the comic's wording up to semantics - if Burke/the Company pulled a string or two to get the Marines deployed there or had picked Gorman personally, even if the lower ranking Marines aren't aware of the big picture, then yeah they were essentially "hired" if you read between the lines.
He had no known strings to pull. He's not a member of the government or military. He wouldn't have any say on who gets chosen for the mission.
Not knowing the relationship the Company has with the military, you don't know this.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 15, 2021, 12:51:26 AMNor does it even give any benefit to him. Let's say Gorman is supposedly in on it. What does that even achieve? Gorman's never in a position to do anything on Burke's behalf.
He doesn't have to be "in on" Burke's plot to get an Alien (in fact I'd argue he's not). Burke just pulled strings to get Gorman, a malleable, wet-behind-the-ears Lieutenant, posted on the mission so Burke could leverage him should the need arise.
Like I said, had Gorman been awake when Burke tried to prevent the Marines from nuking the site from orbit, things could have played out differently.
Full disclosure, I'm not trying to defend the comic - I haven't even read it, and the spoilers I've read make it sound
profoundly stupid, to the point that it makes the Colonial Marines videogame's plot sound like Shakespeare. I'm just defending the idea that WY can manipulate the USCM to some degree. I agree that the comic treating the USCM like full-on corporate PMCs they can control 100% is dumb, but I'm absolutely okay with WY having some degree of influence like choosing personnel or dictating a mission here or there.
How would Burke have known about the frozen infected colonist?
And why freeze only one colonist and not others that were infected? Doesn't make much sense to me.
And just how did Vasquez's smart-gun end up in Operations?
The characters were okay, the story is silly and I find it non canon, the glowing alien was that bad though still unnecessary, but the art was really nice! The story and art were more fun and pleasant then the current Marvel run.
So, I'm confused ... Is the colonist in stasis at the end of the story Newt's father?
It's not stated explicitly, but that's what I took it to be.
That's even sillier - why would they put him in stasis? How would they know to do so? How could they know what would happen to him if they didn't, since he's the first victim? Newt gives no indication that her father technically isn't dead, quite the opposite.
He was clearly confirmed dead in newts tale, river of pain book, aliens movie, games and weyland report etc, so the comic doing this is just bullshit and the writer is like I claimed before: barely watched aliens movie or the books and maybe seen it once a long time ago and decided to write this story.
This story makes ACM look good by comparison.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2021, 01:06:37 AM
This story makes ACM look good by comparison.
This at least has some decent art.
I'm struggling to remember anything decent about that game. :D
The art of ACM was great. OST too.
All I really remember from ACM, design wise, is a bunch of Aliens that would have felt quite at home in a blister pack with Kenner-branded cardboard backing.
As for music... I remember that one trailer that used Clint Mansell's Moon score. :D
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2021, 01:06:37 AM
This story makes ACM look good by comparison.
Should we apologise to Randy ?
I think Huggs, Xenomrph and Corporal Hicks should all send Randy an open letter of apology on AvPG letterhead.
:D
Colonial marines sucked big time, the whole thing with how they marketed it, promising stuff that wasnt there, aliens that focus on the player and runs straight at one always, trailers showing moments of the game we never got, gearbox leasing the production and using segas money to make borderlands 2 instead, lies and randys big lies: burn in hell gearbox.
MArvels one off may have a very weak story and questionable choices and breaking the lore and not paying attention to what movies and books etc has shown us, but it had better designs, the colony is more destroyed and more believable than colonial marines etc but its not much better than it.
Gearbox with colonial marines did one good thing: adding alien 3 back and made a good and clever story in the dlc, idea with turk, gotta give them cudos for that in my mind.
Well then. This sounds pretty terrible. I guess I'll skip this one too lol
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2021, 01:06:37 AM
This story makes ACM look good by comparison.
To wit:
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 15, 2021, 02:11:12 AM
I haven't even read it, and the spoilers I've read make it sound profoundly stupid, to the point that it makes the Colonial Marines videogame's plot sound like Shakespeare.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 21, 2021, 10:58:54 AM
This at least has some decent art.
I'm struggling to remember anything decent about that game. :D
The weapon design and modification system was slick, and the art direction of the level design.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 21, 2021, 01:33:38 PM
All I really remember from ACM, design wise, is a bunch of Aliens that would have felt quite at home in a blister pack with Kenner-branded cardboard backing.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :o
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 21, 2021, 01:33:38 PM
As for music... I remember that one trailer that used Clint Mansell's Moon score. :D
That trailer is still one of my favorite game trailers of all time.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 21, 2021, 03:25:11 PM
I think Huggs, Xenomrph and Corporal Hicks should all send Randy an open letter of apology on AvPG letterhead.
NEVER
Pitchford should be in a foreign prison, listening to his cellmates favorite bedtime story "du saugst besser diese Scheiße!" by Big Hans Groper.
Should he share a cell with Fred Dekker ?
Fred would be doing community service. Giving free rimjobs at the old folks home.
I disliked this. The art was nice and the radiation xeno is goofy but at least it's something different, like something Dark Horse or Kenner wouldve come up with in the 90's. My problem stems from the comic feeling like unnecessary fan service, the same kind of thing plaguing the Star Wars comics (and JJ Abrams films 😬), everything has to be unnecessarily connected to an inorganic degree. Also the characters being XTREME anarchist you tubers is just a lame attempt at trying to be modern but if anything dates this comic more than the 35 year old movie it's homaging.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jul 15, 2021, 02:11:12 AM
Full disclosure, I'm not trying to defend the comic - I haven't even read it, and the spoilers I've read make it sound profoundly stupid, to the point that it makes the Colonial Marines videogame's plot sound like Shakespeare. I'm just defending the idea that WY can manipulate the USCM to some degree. I agree that the comic treating the USCM like full-on corporate PMCs they can control 100% is dumb, but I'm absolutely okay with WY having some degree of influence like choosing personnel or dictating a mission here or there.
Can confirm some of the lore logs in Aliens: Fireteam Elite comment on corporate corruption in high levels of the USCM, which is one of the reasons it was reformed into the UACM.
This comic was probably one of the dumbest things related to the Aliens franchise I've ever seen. Not only was it childishly silly, the lack of imagination was ridiculous.
Quote from: irn on Aug 05, 2021, 10:01:24 PM
This comic was probably one of the dumbest things related to the Aliens franchise I've ever seen. Not only was it childishly silly, the lack of imagination was ridiculous.
It is also insanely illogical or downright non-sensical. I didn't think we'd see a story as bad as "aliens: rescue" so soon, but here we are...
Finally got a chance to read this. Felt like one of the short-stories in Dark Horse Presents, and in that category there's a lot more to be forgotten than remembered. So I'm not as offended as most people seem to be, but agree it didn't do much for me. The hype they gave it didn't do them any favors.
Im so glad I havent spent a single penny on marvels aliens comics yet, will only do once they treat the franchise right :p
Really didn't like this one. Full of member berries.
It feels to me like once again Marvel are diving too deep into the Aliens movie for inspiration. For me this was a poorly scripted fan service for casual fans of the Aliens movie. Surely the only way is up from here.