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Title: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Darkness on Jun 22, 2004, 09:44:59 PM

As you may know, a while ago I told you there was a new article in August’s issue of Sci-Fi Magazine and Renegade, over at Gamegossip, has posted the ‘important parts’ of the interviews with Lance Henriksen and Paul Anderson. Here’s an extract:

“Inside the vaunted pyramid lies a series of chambers–Entrance Chamber, Chamber of the Gods, Sacrificial Chamber, Hieroglyphics Chamber, Staircase Chamber, Fight Chamber, Bone Chamber–all of which are bad news for the unlucky adventurers who’ve stumbled upon the domain. The Fight Chamber is the locale for the first big battle between the two creatures.”

I’ve included the parts that Renegade posted on the next page.

— Article —

“This Bishop is the father of modern robotics, which means that the Bishop we saw in ‘Aliens’–over 100 years in the future–was built in Weyland’s image. In the film, Weyland’s dying, and, facing the end, he wants to leave some kind of legacy behind, like most billionaires. He’s a good guy in the film, and the role forced me to try and imagine what it’s like to be a billionaire. Weyland wants immortality, which explains why a robot–centuries from now–would feature his image and would be named Bishop. He lives forever.”

Anderson doesn’t want ‘Alien vs. Predator’ to deal too deeply with the origins of either monster, but feels that audiences will identify more clearly with the Predators, who are much more heroic than the slimy Aliens.

Inside the vaunted pyramid lies a series of chambers–Entrance Chamber, Chamber of the Gods, Sacrificial Chamber, Hieroglyphics Chamber, Staircase Chamber, Fight Chamber, Bone Chamber–all of which are bad news for the unlucky adventurers who’ve stumbled upon the domain. The Fight Chamber is the locale for the first big battle between the two creatures.

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What’s going to happen is that you’ll see a real Alien and a real Predator, but some of the parts will be CGI-created, like the Alien tail. We couldn’t puppeteer the Alien’s tail, so what you’ll see is a real Alien with a tail that’s made of CGI whipping through the frame.

In fact, the Predators in the film have been so humanized that Anderson feels that audiences will feel genuine sympathy for them…not to mention that the Predator is the hero of the story. Sort of.

“Whoever wins…we lose,” Anderson says with a laugh, a reference to the film’s tagline. “The Predator is the lesser of the two evils, no question about that, and that’s what the human characters realize in the film. I think the Predators are the good guys, in that you can sympathize with them in the film. They have a code of honor, like the Samurai. They’re noble warriors and easier to understand than the Aliens.

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Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Maurice "HopeOfTheFuture" Huijs on Jun 22, 2004, 09:48:34 PM
Cool info!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 22, 2004, 10:00:54 PM
ALIENS ARE COOL, TOO!!!   >:D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: THE REAL PREDATOR on Jun 22, 2004, 10:01:47 PM
Beautiful  Forte Fortuna Adjuvat.................-real pred
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 22, 2004, 10:08:54 PM
but with the yautja i can more symphatise, he's right. Duz anyone has the same thing as me: I don't think the preds are ugly and scary i think they'r beautifull.   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: izzet on Jun 22, 2004, 10:58:40 PM
Yeah, i generally agree with all that, but i wouldnt go as far as calling them good guys, remember P1 And P2 where they slaughtered loadsa humans for fun.    ???  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Cetanu on Jun 22, 2004, 11:17:08 PM
Hmmm, maybe you failed to pick up on the humans they were hunting. In the 2nd film, many of those guys quite frankly deserved to be strung up, but then again, the Yautja in that movie was really young, he'd just been Blooded so, maybe he was going a bit too overboard because of his inexperience of hunting solo.      As for the first Predator, I have complete admiration of him. He was a seasoned Blooded Warrior, with that title he can justly go out and hunt on his own, which he did. He was older and highly skilled, you can easily tell. I mean, the way he stalks, kills and steals away each body one at a time compared to the second Yautja who just goes on a killing spree all at once ( the train ), there's a distinct difference between those two. Another interesting thing about how the humans 'sympathize' with the Yautja, I mean, when the first Yautja removed his plasma cannon and helmet to square off with Arnold hand to hand, Arnold's character saw the honor in that the Yautja could have just blasted him, but went so far as to challenge him in the Yautja's most honorable way possible.      He obviously picked up on that and showed an equal respect for him when he restrained from crushing the Yautja's skull with that rock.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 22, 2004, 11:20:27 PM
I think it's obvious that people would sympathize and relate more with the predators than the aliens... the predators have human characteristics. Most important to note would be that they do have a conscience... hence their code...  Aliens are just mindless killing machines... that will kill anyone and anything that is not of their species.. not too many people are going to identify and relate to that... unless ur a nutcase   ???  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Suskis on Jun 22, 2004, 11:23:41 PM
Ummm. I think that Predator are worse than Aliens. Predators are coward that stay cloaked and kill people armed with rifles using plamsaguns. Aliens kill for breeding and food, there's nothing evil in this. I relate more with aliens than predators!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 22, 2004, 11:31:19 PM
hey, The Real Predator, When you just said Beautiful, was that a nod to Riddick from Pitch Black and Escape from Butchers Bay, where he just says   Beautiful!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 22, 2004, 11:41:21 PM
Where's the people claiming that this is the last straw that will ruin this movie, and destroy their entire experience of the aliens or predator franchises?  There's always someone who's devastated by new news like this.     :D    I personally like this outlook for the Pred.  They have no compunctions about killing us when hunting, but I don't see why they might not give humans a chance if they live up to the high level or predator excellence.  If someone proves themselves, I don't see why a Pred wouldn't give them a chance.  also, I don't mean as in  close friend sort of way, I mean a sort of distanced respect.  No buddy film stuff going on, eheh.     8)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: ~-~M~at~u~s~e~k~-~ on Jun 23, 2004, 12:19:08 AM
  ;D  I am a true predator fan- but ... i would like people to  1st fear them but then come to understand and sympathize with them in the movie...but aliens are not bad they are being used for rituals which is kindamean but who cares.......... the aliens arer jus tryin to make there way in the  big univrse
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: izzet on Jun 23, 2004, 12:32:00 AM
Cetanu, no I did'nt fail to pick up who they were hunting. All im saying is from the previous two Predator films you could'nt relate to it as a general veiwer because it kills for sport, and that's innocent people e.g Dutche's Team and the civilians on the train in the second. But in this film the Predator will play a pivotal role towards perhaps saving humans, it's just a change.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Terhou on Jun 23, 2004, 01:10:17 AM
I think Predators are cool   8)  not beutiful   ???  .
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: cookies on Jun 23, 2004, 01:19:20 AM
well we know the preds are there to kill aliens not humans.  Humans only get in the way.  ANd we all know the predators team up with the humans (Alex) at the end.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: AJ on Jun 23, 2004, 02:26:16 AM
YAY, preds rule
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: 6_P@k on Jun 23, 2004, 02:27:01 AM
if u ask me the aliens and the predators are prety even, the aliens have strength in numbers (aliens) and are 100% silent(alien) but predators have the tecknolegy (both pred films!) and their code of honor. so i think it'll be a pretty fair fight   8)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: DeaconRage on Jun 23, 2004, 02:36:21 AM
i dont belive the pred in P1 wanted to kill the marines, but it saw them as a threat. killing the south american gurillas, and the killin of the scorpian. it seemed to react the most when it picked up the dead scorpian
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: DeaconRage on Jun 23, 2004, 02:38:27 AM
because if  notice, it didnt kill the south american girl. becuz she was innocent and didnt kill anything. so if u think about it the predator could be a messenger from god, killing those who sin.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 03:10:51 AM
What the hell!?!? Cetanu, are you stupid? the pred did not go on a mindless killing spree on the subway, he was trying to kill Leona and Jerry to make Harrigan mad enough that he will come after him just like he did with Danny. If he was on a Mindless killing spree he would have killed leona regardless of the fact that she was pregnant. And the pred was not a young pred. havent you read the books? the clan leaders do not allow the young and unexperienced preds to Oomans.  And DeaconRage, the reason the pred didnt kill the girl is because she was not armed and could not defend her self. its all about honor not killing people for thier sins.   >:D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 23, 2004, 03:14:29 AM
Interesting Theory... but the reason she didnt get killed is because she didnt have a weapon... a predator wont kill anything that cant fight back...  thats why at the end he dropped all his weapons before fighting arnold... pred wanted to make it a fair fight...  also... right after Billy gets killed in the first one... the pred comes after arnie and hawkins and the girl... blasts hawkins in the head... and then the girl goes to pick up the gun and arnold yes "NO!!!" and kicks it out of her hand... arnold realizes so long as she doesnt have a weapon she wont be harmed
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 23, 2004, 03:17:26 AM
I believe what Cetanu meant... correct me if I'm wrong... but in the 1st one... the predator killed them 1 by 1... was much more controlled and stealthy..  in p2 in the subway scene... the pred just busted through the roof of the subway car and f*cked em all up... anyone carrying a gun was sliced n' diced... the pred in p2 could have easily waited till they were off the subway and alone before striking... he almost seems impatient...
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: BobCat on Jun 23, 2004, 03:26:15 AM
The pred didnt kill Leona becuase she was having a baby.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 03:29:34 AM
Barreth, thats true but you also have to remember that its just a movie to most people and the directors probably just wanted more action in the scene. they probaly dont give a sh!t about what the predators really are.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 23, 2004, 03:31:28 AM
haha exactly... thats really the reality of it all  Just trying to entertain everyones opinion
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 03:35:37 AM
I think it's not true with not killing unarmed people, That guy from pred1, u know, with teh heavy voice (can't remember his name) Well, he picked a knive put off his armor and stood at the on the bridge alone, only with a knife, then u saw arnie and the girl runnin away and then u heard him screaming.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 23, 2004, 03:39:23 AM
His name was Billy  and a knife is still a weapon... the pred just woulda taken him down with his wrist blades most likely... a knife for a knife... except I think the preds knives are a little bigger
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Norfair86 on Jun 23, 2004, 03:39:32 AM
That was very good info, finally someone will realize how good the Predators really are. Still... I will miss arnold and the Pred from Predator 1 duking it out. :)
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 03:42:39 AM
Alien Emperor, thats because he was armed with a knife and the pred knew that if he wanted to he could defend himself. but my guess is he chose not to.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 03:43:40 AM
Yeah, U'r right. Hey, does the yautja also have diffrent races, u know like, Black, Asian, White?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 03:48:59 AM
good question but i dont think so   8)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 03:52:32 AM
i think they does, cause look at the pred1 predator no mask and the pred2 no mask, the pred1 pred is all white with green/brown and the pred2 pred is brown/orange with little tiny hornes or bubbels.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: ghost_face_kilah on Jun 23, 2004, 03:54:35 AM
buy the way how much predators r there in this movie?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 03:56:05 AM
? i had more comments and Winston too ?   ???   Darkness?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Majin Jekku on Jun 23, 2004, 03:56:48 AM
The aliens are mindless creatures.  They act on instinct and are not really all that smart.  Think of xenomorph as a worker ant.  It has an objective to gather food for storage and such...  It just does what it is supposed to do.  Every xenomorph has an objective.  The "face hugger" has to seek out a host to desposit the alien/egg/whatever down the throat.  The "chest burster" escapes from the host, killing the host in the process and must grow into a full fledged xenomorph.  So, the fully grown xenomorph works for the hive and defends the hive with it's life all while collecting hosts for the eggs to help the hive grow strong with more xenomorphs.  Now, there are two theories I heard about the queen of the hive.  First off, the queen of the hive must keep reproducing eggs.  Let's just get that out of the way first.  I've heard two theories about how alien queens come to be.  The first one is mentioned in Alien 3.  It all starts with a face hugger... There is a special face hugger called the "queen face hugger."  It's much larger than the normal "face huggers" and instead of that tan color, it's black.  One of these face huggers put the alien queen in Ripley's stomach.  If you watched the deleted scenes in the Alien Quadrilogy, one of the convicts finds the "queen face hugger."  The second theory about the birth of a queen alien is that the aliens have some kind of psychic energy.  And, during the the start of a new hive...  One of the aliens will evolve into a alien queen.  However, if there is an alien queen... We will not see another queen in the same hive unless the hive grows too large for one queen to handle.  So, yeah...  But, what came first?  The alien queen or the egg?  We don't know.  >_>;  Also, another fact about the aliens is that... They take on characteristics of their hosts they are born from.  Notice how the xenomorph sort of resembles a human in the first two movies and then the one that is born through the dog or ox in the third movie is much faster and runs on all fours a lot.  Anyway, I'm done ranting about the aliens.  I hope they win. But, I think the predators will win.  Oh well.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 04:01:35 AM
Oh, never mind.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 04:07:18 AM
hmm... i think there is just a special facehugger with an queen embryo. and, yo, Majin jekku do u got an explanation for the Predalien? I think it comes from a Bio-Lab, Not with charactistics from it's host.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 04:12:31 AM
ghost_face_kilah, there are five teenage preds and a shit load o aliens
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 04:15:44 AM
i agree with Alien Emperor.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 04:27:05 AM
Yes, finally someone agree's with me.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 04:28:45 AM
Well atleast i made someone happy today
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 04:29:31 AM
With my predalien theory   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 23, 2004, 04:33:42 AM
Really i think it's b*llshit, that the predalien comes simply from an embryo that takes 'some' charactistics. If u call the predalien some defaut alien. There's really no other explanation, the predalien is created in the labs.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 23, 2004, 04:41:46 AM
i think this topic is pretty much shot to hell   8)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: alien on Jun 23, 2004, 05:34:22 AM
One of the aliens in AVP has green lines on its head, why is that? Is it the leader or something?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 23, 2004, 05:44:27 AM
uhhh no! its not the leader cuz its head is bleeding, it got caught in the net guns net and it started cutting into its head but the acid freed it!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 23, 2004, 05:50:39 AM
Yea this is GREAT. I like the fact that the predators are no longer have the image of mindless killers with badass weapons. I also agree with Alien Emperor.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Grrrr on Jun 23, 2004, 06:23:47 AM
I'm a Predator Boy. Blades Up!!!!!!!!  But anderson's comments about the aliens are abit unfair.  I pitty the aliens in most of the movies.  As firstly its trying to survive and then trying to create its own society. Just because the kick human asses does not make them the bad guys. For once I would like a director to show the good side of an alien. Like the original quote. It kills to live, lives to kill. At least it does not kill for money or the ownership of shitty materialistic things we humans are great of. Like ripley stated! It would be good if once they show the view from an alien point of view. Abit like in the graphic novel Tribes. Great book!!!!!!! Anyone else pitty the aliens?  Grrrrrrr
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 06:54:04 AM
I thought they wre genetically enginered to kill by Jockeys, ya know, like weapons.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: DeaconRage on Jun 23, 2004, 06:56:50 AM
Winston . caring a weapon and killing people is a sin. according to the bible or what ever. so the girl had nothing to do with it. thereby the "messenger of god" theory can be true,
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: DeaconRage on Jun 23, 2004, 07:00:13 AM
just for another observation if u notice, when he picks up the dead scorpian is when  he starts to kill the marines.   kinda like bad karma..i donno
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: DeaconRage on Jun 23, 2004, 07:04:17 AM
but then again, they arent messengers from god. becuz they are god. hence the temples,ect from AvP
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Cookies on Jun 23, 2004, 07:04:22 AM
The alien involves into the queen.  Its pretty much like bees where if another queen is born or 2 at same time they fight to death and strongest becomes dominate queen of hive.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 23, 2004, 07:15:48 AM
if the preds in this movies are played out to be goog guys and only after the aliens then why do we see in the pisture out in the snow 3 or 4 bodies strung up and the pred face to face with the guy who busts the piece of wood over its shoulder? is this a rebel pred killing anything for a trophy and is then hated by the rest of the preds through out the movie or is paul anderson not telling us the whole truth,I personaly think that the only pred that is the good guy so to speak is the one with the extra teeth on his upper jaw we see with the shiruken infront of lex.But i also dont really like the fact that there trying to make the preds good guys now there like superheros all of a sudden.Dont get me wrong im all for this movie 100% but I think they should have strayed away from the whole ' you can feel sympithetic twards the preds now' and ' the preds have been so humanized now that the audience will feel sorry for them, thats not right   ???   these things hunt humans for sport for cripes sake, skin you and collect your skulls.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Terhou on Jun 23, 2004, 07:24:49 AM
i don`t but these movie spoilers like weyland as synthetic in alien movie ne vaan sy
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: THE CROW on Jun 23, 2004, 08:10:54 AM
do any of u know if lance henriksens charecter dies in this movie?, and if he does, wouldnt that mean that the bishop in alien 3 was not the real one, just thought i should ask. by the way the aliens look bloody awesome
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Raven on Jun 23, 2004, 08:28:27 AM
Bringer of Death if something with knives on it's wouldn't you try to get away from it and hit it with anything handy?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Shaneus on Jun 23, 2004, 10:00:55 AM
If anything i believe that aliens represent all thats good and acceptable in humanity they kill for survival only. And no they are not mindless killing machines you fools they take their prey alive whenever they can to be infested. The preds however represent cowardice and evil they kill for fun and they kill by suprise. I mean think about it as soon as arnie knew what he was fighting and even the odds with the mud turning invisible he kicked the preds ass.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Shaneus on Jun 23, 2004, 10:13:09 AM
, Marines Slaughter Aliens. Arnie & Glover kicked preds sorry asses. And Sigourney when not being possesed by ghosts kills Queens. So i say go humans man we kick ass we are the ultimate go humans......
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alex Villalobos on Jun 23, 2004, 11:26:28 AM
  >:D   Alien Emperor said that the predalien is created in the labs. Know that is real bull shit have you heard of the Alien Biology if a face hugger gets a hold on a human then you get a original alien  if it gets a hold of a dog then its a dog alien if it gets a hold of a gorilla then its a gorilla alien and if it get a hold of a predator then it will be a predator alien its simply said and done that is the Alien Biology it needs a host to bring new life its bin like that for years even in the novels
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: commander Griker on Jun 23, 2004, 11:30:22 AM
He is right about the whole alien biology thing havent you people ever read the comics and novels and seen Alien 3    ___________________ Al()EN vs. PREDATOR
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: WolfAlien on Jun 23, 2004, 11:32:20 AM
Question about the Predalien. What is it suppsed to look like. I've been thinkin for a while that it's the so called GridAlien. Those scars on it's head don't always have to mean it ran into a net gun and was freed. They could smply be the way the alien is supposed to look like.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 11:33:35 AM
Wait a sec, everyone is putting infos off the comics here?? Ah well do wa ya want ppl. But I know Iv said this and Ill say it again, comics and books and games are not good sources of info.  Anyway, to come back on the predalien thing being created in lab, its insane. we clearly saw that the aliens are different depending on their hosts. Dog alien is the ultimate fact, tha proof. And there will be mostly a predalien chestbusta in this and if we are lucky, a predalien. That will proove it once and for all.   As for the preds being good guys. Its not right. Preds are hunters, the only way to gets the pred respect is by prooving your self being as good as the pred. I wont sympathize when a pred will get slaughtered in this. They kill us for the sport, for trophys, or only cuz we are in the way off them and their target or prey. They dont disurves sympathy. If the pred sees that the human was a good match, then the pred will respect that , Lex is the example. She has to killed a alien in the movie to disurv that kind of respect. To join the pred.   So if preds are more tolerant in this towards human, and I mean by there that if they are more easily convinced that a human disurv respect than in the 2 first movies, then ok the preds are gonna receives some sympathy but not that much of my part.   About the aliens being killing machines without intelligence, I will disagree on this. Well the queen have intelligence, we saw it in the movie Aliens more than one occasion. The aliens are not just working ants, they are more than that. They have intelligence, they cut out the power supply in Aliens, and nothing is saying that the queen order it. No proof of that so maybe that aliens are indeed intelligent but when they encounter something living they loose control and then becomes killing machines. Or working ants.  But anyway, preds are no good guys, they are following a code of honnor, thats why leona survived the encounter. A man would not hit or KILL a pregnant women so the preds are not doin it either cuz of their honor. no pride or glory in it. So they will maybe help humans cuz they did something honorable. Not only cuz they are caught in a war and that they need help.  And 6 p@c, what the hell honor code is having to do with the fact that aliens and preds are even??? Anyway, preds and aliens are evn depending of the situation. But I wont start with that cuz I have too many facts to give. Maybe another time
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: PREDATOR ALIEN on Jun 23, 2004, 11:36:36 AM
  ;D   I think it will be cool if they show a predator Alien in AvP if not then in AvP 2
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alex Villalobos on Jun 23, 2004, 11:45:22 AM
have any of you guys ever played Capcom's Aliens vs Predator the arcad game in that game the predators and to humans "Maj. Dutch Schaefer " and "Lt. Linn Kurosawa" teamed up with the hunters to take on the Aliens.   http://screenmania.retrogames.com/arcade/04/arcade_0100_2.html
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: MERC on Jun 23, 2004, 11:48:48 AM
They should have mad the AvP movie based on that Game damn that game kiss ass   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Cobolt on Jun 23, 2004, 11:51:05 AM
  8)   That game, the  Kenner Action figures, and the movies, is what got me into AvP in the first place in the early 90's
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Predgirl on Jun 23, 2004, 12:44:01 PM
Well I've been reading here about all the comments and here is my opinion.  To me what Andersan said or whoever about the Predators being the good guys is just an opinion of them because in the first place they are their for the man rictiual.  They probably didn't know that the humans were there until they got there.  To me the Preds are warriors and go by a warrioirs' code ok.  Also just like us humans they do have some characteristics of us, but they're just a different race of beings they do think and probably do realize what they are doing just like us humans. About the warriors code there are some that go by it and some that do not like the one in the movie who just kill anything in his way because he thinks he has the power and the knowledge to do so than going by it the right way.  What I'm trying to say is he does it in a dishonorable way and not by the justice of the warriors code.  For the aliens I don't really like them, but I do really feel sorry for them because they are trying to survive for the hive.  I believe they know what their doing because of their purpose of the hive. This is my opinion and you can agree or disagree with on it.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 01:05:42 PM
Hey predgirl, dont feel sorry for the aliens, they are just poor killin machines and they are not trying to survive, they are surviving and waiting for a mistake of the preds or humans to get out, and conquer earth. Wont happen in tha movie but its a movie and bad guys never wins.
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 01:13:57 PM
But good thinking on the pred there predgirl, you seem to love them alot. And yoor opinion is really good on the warrior code.
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 01:23:29 PM
well im not an alien fan i dont like them much buuut the aliens arent az soft of pussy az some ppl put them to be aliens are good az killers az the predators just that predators have a code of honor to take off on this occasion...
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 01:25:38 PM
to take care of**
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 01:26:03 PM
Right, honnor wont save your life against a alien. Thats for sure, and aliens are better killers than the pred. They are the ultimate killing machine remember??   ;)  
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 01:27:59 PM
i dont think soo bud aliens have to kill in packs predators dont a single predator can do alot of killing in a much better unique way      ;)  
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 01:32:24 PM
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! Have ya saw Alien??? 1 alien= lot of deaths Alien 3, 1 alien=lot of deaths Aliens dont have high teck toys like pred, they are weapons on 2 legs. Put a pred at the place of the aliens in Aliens and he would be toast in no time. make him use no plasma c. and he is toast
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 01:35:09 PM
if u look closely those ppl had NOTHING to defend the selfs with..
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Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 23, 2004, 01:42:18 PM
WolfAlien:  It was already confirmed that it looks the way it does because of a net.  It's not just rumor.
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 01:54:20 PM
In Alien, there was flametrowers just in case you forgot. but the point is that an alien has no range weapons. The pred have plenty. But face to face, the alien has alot of advantage on the pred. More weapons,  more agilyty, fearless. The pred is not fearless, he is overconfident.  Anyway the alien could have done the same amount of damage in P2 and P1. But with a different approache.
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 01:57:36 PM
ok good point the only thing iz that aliens wouldnt do it face to face they gatta sneak at ppl to kill them even on the avp trailer u see the alien about to jump on the pred BY HES BACK that sad that dont look to good my man...
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 02:02:04 PM
The pred was invisible. Its the same damn thing no one would be dumb enough to go face to face against a bunch of comandos. The pred got blain in the back, mac was not waiting for the pred so it was a surprise attack, the pred killed poncho with surprise as well. That is just in P1. take out the cloak off the pred technologie and its a diff story. Both are silent hunters,
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Post by: Fari_21 on Jun 23, 2004, 02:03:31 PM
MAn i've been reading a lot tru here bunch of haters others possin they know it all.....but here is ma opinio  Aliens SUCk..one thing about them is they are more..but PRedators are more tactical which helps TThem.... SO AT the end they'ld be serving....aliens queen head on...a silver TRAY....   >:D     ;D  
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 02:05:00 PM
true they are ...... now wah about that issue on avp where hes ganna get him by the back hu mean how good of a killer u by getting ppl by there back wicth im also including predators az well..
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 02:07:51 PM
there u go FARI well said .....      ;D  
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Post by: Fari_21 on Jun 23, 2004, 02:10:29 PM
MAn i've been reading a lot tru here bunch of haters others possin they know it all.....but here is ma opinio  Aliens SUCk..one thing about them is they are more..but PRedators are more tactical which helps TThem.... SO AT the end they'ld be serving....aliens queen head on...a silver TRAY....   >:D     ;D  
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Post by: fari_21 on Jun 23, 2004, 02:15:18 PM
aliens just kill for the fact of kill...and as u read n see in..the whole news articles they show preds more advance that aliens.
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 02:15:30 PM
Eh eh, well well, need a lil help there sandman?? eh eh, Cmon bring it on,   ;)    Well frst, fari, none of us said they know it all, its only a lil friendly war. Avp is coming fast so we were on a lil war. But its your opinion, and its kool. Now sand, well, aliens and preds dont want to get hurt for nothing. If they can, they will hit by the back. Its survival instinct, strike first= bigger chance of survival. Pred do this alot just like aliens, so element of surprise is crucial for both. Now, lets get back to the weapons, tail ( hope this time they will be able to animate it correctly so that the alien use it) claws, jaws  VS   A pair of 25 inches wrist B. Who got the advantage in melee?
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Post by: fari_21 on Jun 23, 2004, 02:18:31 PM
aliens just kill for the fact of kill...and as u read n see in..the whole news articles they show preds more advance that aliens.
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 02:18:55 PM
just a fewwords for u uhmmmmmmmmmmm just the wrist blades ? uhmmm go back and check my freind ull be surpiced az of wah u can find on a pred.
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Post by: fari_21 on Jun 23, 2004, 02:23:12 PM
ok ok.....it was ma opinion man..u wanna get wet over how aliens are ton in to chiscaba.t..and bbqs at the end is on u...and yes maybe element of surprise is needed, how ever dis type of war is more of a genocide since alien species is gonna be gone by the end of the flick... Aliens got one advantage speed..how ever they missing the the gunz and..forgot about the heat sensors on preds eyes which makes them sittin ducks...   ;D  
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 02:23:32 PM
Im talking melee, 1-1, face to face. The pred have to kill the alien with only his wrist b or spear to be blooded. If he kiils tha alien with his plasma C. or shuriken or disk... he wont be blooded. He have to go 1-1 with the alien, of curse a pred can easily kill an alien with his plasma or disk. since its range weapons but in melee combat, its another story.
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 02:26:14 PM
and u really think a predator iz ganna give it up that eazy becuz of alil acid blood on him ???? Hey FARI that sitting ducks shit was kinda funny lol
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Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 23, 2004, 02:37:15 PM
Ok last post for the night Im working tomaro. First, Fari, try to bring good points on this cuz now your only saying that the pred are the best  and bla bla bla. And we dont even know if aliens are seeable on heat sensors. That is still to proove. Cuz if not, the pred will have to be quick on the buttons to change vusion modes fast. So bring good points or stand out of it. cuz saying that pred are the best is not a point. Anyway I will be here tomaro so come back and lets continue this tomaro. k?  As for the sandman, no acid wont be enough, a pred can wistand a 12 in the face, he can wistand lil blood. But, I was talking about the weapons advantage. Anyway pred armor is suppos to be acid resistant.Right? if not , preds are dumb, or want more challenge. Anyway the alien will only have to neutrolize the wrist b, and the pred will have to deal with tail claws jaws. Even if the blades are damn long, the alien could dodge it. or take a hit but getting the pred down on the same time. That way he will be on top ready to strike with 3 weapons.    Anyway, its great to discuss with ya 2, we will continue this tomaro k?
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Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 23, 2004, 02:41:14 PM
aight hell talk to u tomorrow ..
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Post by: Joe on Jun 23, 2004, 02:59:32 PM
the predator is the ultimate bad ass, good bad it doesn't matter. THEY RAISE THERE KIDS ON ALIENS. INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE PARK THEY SEND THEIR TEENAGERS TO ANOTHER PLANET AND MAKE THEM KILL ALIENS. i always thought of the pred to have hero tendencies. especially since the first avp cominc with the coolest predator ever, Broken Tusk
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Post by: FlyOnTheWaLL on Jun 23, 2004, 03:24:50 PM
hell alien, No aliens are not seeable on IR sensors, as seen in their first attack in aliens and subsequent games, Preds supposedly have a vison mode to cope with that(in AVP 1&2) but dunno if it will be persented in the movie. Speaking of the movie, in both pred movies games books ect. they all reference how preds love heat, and hate cold then i ask wtf are preds doing in the artic, makes nay sense shoulda beeen a Ancient Aztec pyramid or somthun  -out-
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Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 23, 2004, 04:46:34 PM
I m sure alot of others will agrre with me on this when i say that the pyramid is in the arctic to mabey add to the challenge of there passage to manhood test, 'fighting and surviving the aliens'.Now alos as some have commented mabey it is in that enviroment to keep the aliens from escaping to a civilized area and to kepp them in the pyramid.But I realy dont think that the preds hate the cold they prob just prefere the heat .
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Post by: Shadow of FUS on Jun 23, 2004, 06:38:22 PM
Well...lots of people are gonna be pissed when the Predator wins   :-\  
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Post by: Barreth on Jun 23, 2004, 11:09:54 PM
I think what Paul Anderson meant when he said people would sympathize with the predators was that we have more in common with predators than we do with aliens. Predators have human characteristics, such as their social structure, their physique, and their sense of morals(their honour code).  People are going to argue that they have no morals... ie: they hunt humans and aliens for sport. But if you look at our society, are we really any different? Someone mentioned that predators are over confident. Yes they are, because they believe themselves to be superior to all other races. Therefore, they consider us a lesser species as with the aliens and therefore in their view it's acceptable to hunt us. It's very similar to us hunting deer,duck,bear... whatever your preference... we feel we are superior and are of greater worth and therefore it's acceptable for us to animals. But human hunters dont kill baby's, and they dont kill females... they generally just kill the males... obviously the weapons rule doesnt apply because animals on our planet dont have weapons... so that rationale cant apply for the preds  But thats literally the difference between aliens and preds. Preds hunt us for sport, because they consider us a lesser species... aliens just dont give a sh*t.. they dont care if ur man, woman or child. You're either food or a host... or both, and thats really all there is to it. Aliens, much like all insects have no honour code, have no morals and no sense of right and wrong... they do what they have to, to survive...   In my opinion, preds are a lot more like us than most people realize, it's just difficult to see, because instead of hunting deer and duck... they hunt us..
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Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 23, 2004, 11:48:09 PM
Wolfman your stupid to think the gridalien was born with grid cuts into its head!
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Post by: Barreth on Jun 23, 2004, 11:58:45 PM
hahahaha
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Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 12:51:54 AM
Barreth you and me finaly have something in common. I agree with that essay you wrote a few posts back. I especialy agree with your outlook on why the predators kill armed people. They fell that we are in control of the situation. We are the superior. We dont go blowing away babys or females if we are on a trophy hunt. the same with the preds. I am sure that the preds have a certain amout of respect for the humans because they are almost a even match. When you look at aliens I also have to agree with Barreth. You are either food or a host. No honour code. No logic. No reason. They have no pity. That is what makes them such a perfict organism.
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Post by: AdamJZ on Jun 24, 2004, 01:06:14 AM
I dont realy care who wins, I grew up only an alien fan, never really knew what the predator was until, I played the very first AVP video game for the SNES, I loved it, so I watched the pred and pred 2,I came to love the predator just as much as the alien, so I really dont care who wins, pred human, alien, makes no diffrence to me.
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Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 01:37:49 AM
Hell Alien, have ever read the AVP books? maybe if you did you could come up with a better agrument. the Preds armour is mabe from alien exoskeleton so therefore acid resistant, all of their weapons are acid resistant and in the first book AVP Prey a single pred takes out about 20 alien with just a spear and blades, the only reason he lost was because the alien overwelmed him about 100 to 1.  fari_21, Preds do rule and these people with their pathetic attemts to say aliens are better just need to wake up and smell the acid, Preds RULE, Aliens suck. if they had any advantage at all it would be the fact that they can wall climb or their overwhelming numbers
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Post by: FlyOnTheWaLL on Jun 24, 2004, 02:41:44 AM
Also for the AVP books, the aliens were out in the open, as said thier element is Darkened halls and other similerly closed areas, so the pred would have more of an advantage out in the open like that, but not so much in another area such as a temple/spaceship, where space is limited and thier wall climbing capability can be utilized.
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Post by: WonderBrick on Jun 24, 2004, 02:47:25 AM
I would like to see how Aliens act when they do not feel the survival instinct to survive.  I would think this is what Ridley Scott wants to cover with the potential Alien 5 or 6, and a journey to the Aliens homeworld/origins.
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Post by: BobCat on Jun 24, 2004, 02:50:16 AM
The only mindless killing machines are humans, aliens need to kill to survive and further their race.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: WonderBrick on Jun 24, 2004, 02:57:57 AM
I do like the Predator's honor and respect, but only if it maintains the semi-subtle nature that was shown in the first two Predator films.  I do not want the predators to get chummy with humans, unless a single exception is made with an aggressive/protective human that meets the respect bar, like Lex will.  Anderson&Co have gone to great efforts to distiguise the Predators, to help us tell them appart, give them personality, and let some "acting" come through.  The same appears to be done to the harder-to-distiguish Aliens.  We have the "Elvis"-lipped/Alien1 Alien, the green-gridded/net-escapist Alien, a Aliens(2nd)-looking Alien, Predalien, and Queen Alien.  I hope they don't f**k up the Predalien.  It should be 100% Alien at heart, with only Predator characteristics, as is the normal Alien lifecycle.  Alien: Ressurection was lab experimentation, so the Newborn was a bit puzzled, and clearly not 100% Alien at heart.  I really like the amount of material/mythology apparently included in AVP.  If they cover the great amount that I feel they will be, I will be hard pressed to find something they missed that I would want to see in a sequel.  I really like the apparent 100% effort being put into this film.
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Post by: WonderBrick on Jun 24, 2004, 03:00:12 AM
distiguise = distiguish doh!
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Post by: WonderBrick on Jun 24, 2004, 03:04:29 AM
What I meant to say, is I would like to see how Aliens react when they do not feel threatened.  Granted, anywhere off their homeworld(if they are from a homeworld), they probaby feel threatened.  Just like the Predators, I am sure there is another side to them, though their inherent nature and lifecycle might make this hard for us to see/comprehend.  I don't know what I want to see, because I don't want to see passive Aliens, but all we have ever seen of them is when they feel threatened.
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Post by: WonderBrick on Jun 24, 2004, 03:10:08 AM
I want to see more from Aliens then just killing machines that are cannon-foddor for the AVP series.  I doubt we see any major changes from the Alien-side of things, so I hope they ramp-up the brutal nature of the Aliens and show a total rampage of Aliens feeling threatened and extreme hostility from their captivity(especially from the Queen).  This also makes me want to see the Aliens win, even if they are scoured from Earth eventually.
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Post by: Terhou on Jun 24, 2004, 03:12:59 AM
Aliens have no mercy.They do not care about how  painfull is the lifecycle for the host bodies.Predators want fair fight with some1 who doesnt have any guns like in Predator 1 movie with Arnie.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 03:20:21 AM
Most people have said that the aliens are an engineered species, designed and bred as a weapon of war... if thats true... then maybe the reason that all we've seen them do is kill and breed is because thats all they can do... they weren't designed to be overly intelligent.... they're were bread to kill... which is pretty much all they do
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Post by: Cetanu on Jun 24, 2004, 03:32:18 AM
Okay, I keep hearing over and over again how if the Yautja didn't have their technology to fall back on that they wouldn't stand a chance against the Aliens. Listen, you put an unarmed Yautja, and I mean, not even wrist blades or even a minute amount of armor. You put a bare male Yautja up against an Alien drone or warrior, the Yautja still has plenty of physical advantages. First of all, its flesh is so tough that it cant be penetrated by small arms fire. If they do manage to get hit, its nothing. Think about it, they've been grenaded, blasted multiple times and sliced open by a disc (even then it was still a little bit alive after Danny Glover gutted him with it). At the end of Alien, Ripley hit the Alien in the chest with a grappling hook and it went flailing and screaming out of the open hatch and into space, that's all it took to hurt it. Also, a tiny super hot torch was able to force the freaking Queen away when Ripley was fighting it with the Power Loader, and the Yautja gets lit on fire on the back of the head, and all he does is turn around supremely pissed off, he doesn't run or back off like an Alien would when faced with fire. Aliens are frail, while the Yautja can take unfathonable amounts of damage. Also, a Yautja can feel comfortable in boiling water for up to five minutes. Their dexterity and reflexes are so sharp that they can dodge bullets if they see them coming. Their knowledge in martial arts, their physical speed and sheer brute strength would be enough to kill an Alien without any additional technical weaponry or armor. Think about it, a Predator gets a good grip around the Alien's neck, and snap, broken neck, that Alien is dead. The Yautja dont need weapons, they aren't dependent on them at all. In fact its written that they do anything to gain as much honor as they can, fighting hand to hand that's the most honorable thing they can do, so they'll do it. A young Yautja may not be able to win a hand to hand fight against and Alien, but throw an Elder or a female Yautja in there, Alien heads will roll! Also, about the acid blood. That's no advantage at all for the Alien, for the Yautja all he has to do is stear clear of the Alien's body when he inflicts damage so he can dodge any blood that spills or sprays out. That simple! I pity those poor Aliens, if they didn't have the numbers available to swarm, this wouldn't be an entertaining match.
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Post by: AdamJZ on Jun 24, 2004, 03:44:25 AM
How do you do hacking in AVP2 multiplayer, you know the cheat in multiplayer that lets you fly?
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Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 03:47:10 AM
  :)  Cetanu, Bravo, Well said, i finally found someone who knows the yautja. nice speech   :)  
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Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 03:58:08 AM
Where did you hear they can sit in boiling water for 5 mins? they're predators... not lobster... and where did you hear they dodge bullets??   I dont remember the pred in P2 dodging the bullets from danny glovers gun too well... sorta remember him gettin shot about 4 or 5 times in a row...
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Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 04:12:34 AM
Nice book up there Cetanu. You realy put some time and effort into your research and planning. Yautja are some tough sons a bitchs and so are aliens. @Barreth the pred in P2 when the pred got hit by the shotgun that is not small arms fire. That shotgun was a 10 or 12 gauge. I dont think they can didge bullets though. They are very strong and could probably take a human or an alien with out weapons. Also I agree with Cetanu that the only things the aliens have are numbers and the ablility to move very fast.
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Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 04:18:04 AM
Barreth, have you ever read the books? they explain every thing you need to know about the preds
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Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 04:18:52 AM
I realize it was a shotgun, however he didnt say they "dodging skills" were limited to small arms fire... he simply said they can dodge bullets if they see them coming... but he also stated that small arms cant penetrate their skin... I dont think thats true either... when the pred punctures himself in the bathrom in p2... his skin looked pretty soft... much like human skin... if they're facts they're facts... but I go by the movies and nothing else... if they are getting their facts from comics.. phhh... nobody considers comics a credible source of proof...  Show me proof and I'll believe you...
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Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 04:19:17 AM
S>O>B you guys speculate on so much sh_t. I don't care if you have been playing the AVP video game or sitting in your momma's basement for 10 years watching the Predator and Aliens movies over and over again and jacking off every once in a while. Some of you need to get a freakin' life. Don't get me wrong I love this sh_t but come on. Some of you think you know how a predator thinks and how it's momma loves him, if they were breast fed, if they hump doggie style, or what not just because you are die hard fans that play the video game 24-7. GO OUT AND GET LAID ONCE IN A WHILE, before you die. Anyway I am sorry but I had to get that off my chest. I love the franchises but shit, even though I have the movies memorized by scene and line (touche) I don't pretend to be the fuc_ing know it all GOD of Predator/Alienville. Give me a break. With that said, I can't wait to see the movie.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 04:25:06 AM
RotaderP for your infomation they do breast feed, and as for the humping doggy style i wish never to know   :)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 04:29:19 AM
RotaderP... you are the coolest guy I've ever met...  you f**king retard, this is a fan site... aka people that are fans come to talk about the movies etc... some people are a little more hardcore than others ya.. they collect comics, figurines.. whatever... but thats their business.. you wanna act tough behind your computer screen then go f**king do it somewhere else you dumb bastard...
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Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 04:32:14 AM
NICE!!
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Post by: AdamJZ on Jun 24, 2004, 04:40:13 AM
man, I breathe AVP and I dont mind admitting it, AVP to me is as good, if not better then sex.
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Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 04:48:57 AM
Amen AdamJZ
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 04:49:42 AM
Winston:  Would you consider the books a 100% credible source?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 04:51:42 AM
YES!! i do
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 04:54:34 AM
Well then... we shall see my friend... we shall see...
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 04:58:44 AM
but remember we cant even begin consider the movies a "cedible" source because most Directors and producers dont even care about the ways of the preds other then what they have seen in the other movies. although Paul does seem pretty reliable.   so yes.... we shall see
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 05:19:22 AM
Then there was scilence.............................. (chirping crikets)
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 24, 2004, 05:24:20 AM
Hey winston, ow the hekk do you know that preds breast feed? I dont see nipples on the preds do u?Cetanu hows a pred going to snap an aliens neck they have an exoskeleton not and internal skeleton, you need to have a spine for your neck to be snapped also not sure who said the preds armor is made out of alien hyde, there armor looks pretty metallic like to me.Also you cant go by comics as legite facts, so if thats true your saying that the pred vs justice league is worth saying that there is a superpred green lantern pred flash pred etc.I do agree with you Barreth in that the preds skin is deff not as inpernitrable as these few guys make it out to be, that bathroom scene proves this to a tee, if a pred can stick a syringe like thing through its skin will a considerable amount of ease Im 100% sure a bullet will do the same with greater of ease, there armour may bounce small arms fire off with ease but it dosnt fare to well with heavy arms fire.And if you say that about the pred the same can be said for the aliens, remember when vasquez and buddy there get trapped in the air ducts in aliens .One alin breaks up through the duct and when they shoot at it with there hand guns the bullets bounce right off  its head.They do however get ripped apart from drake and vasquzes smart guns.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 05:39:52 AM
I know these thing because i am a freak, i read the AVP books (not comic books) and they explain everything. Even the fact that their armor is mabe from alien exoskeleton. thats so that the blood wont eat it away. and so what if they have an exoskeleton you can still snap thier head off
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 05:43:11 AM
This is fun   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 05:58:27 AM
Guess the preds rubbed a little silver polish on their exoskelatal armor they stole from the aliens...cause it looks pretty metalic to me...  I'm sure what you are saying is true about the books Winston... just not sure if Paul Anderson read em too hehe
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 24, 2004, 05:59:07 AM
The Netherlands 2-0 Letivia!! And Germany 1-1 Tjech!!! Yher Netherlands must go to the quarter finals!   ;D   Holland, Holland!!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 24, 2004, 06:02:04 AM
Comics are not reliable, Aliens vs Angels, C'mon!!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 06:13:55 AM
I'm not talking about the Comics such as Pred VS Judge Dred im talking about the 200page BOOKS!! ther are about 14 of them, they all explain alot
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 06:18:04 AM
The books are way more reliable then the movies
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 06:24:05 AM
i am sitting here at work and i am really feaking boared. lets argue some more   ???  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: roger that on Jun 24, 2004, 06:34:33 AM
RotaderP, you have sum wise words there.  lets not make this too science. it is much fascinating when we let something unexplained. it keeps the tension.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 24, 2004, 06:35:00 AM
Oh, books cool, This is strange, some of you once said 'Comics and games are b*llshit it's all got nothing to with the franchise, but why is the predalien a serious mather you al want it in the movie, but predaliens are from the games and the comic's So i dont get it.   ;)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 06:37:05 AM
Well personally...  I like the way the preds are protrayed in movies rather than books... taking a bath in boiling water and dodging bullets just doesnt strike me as too reaistic... he's not Neo... and this isnt the matrix...   Just think it's better if he has more earthly qualities... rather than godlike qualities...
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Cetanu on Jun 24, 2004, 07:00:03 AM
LOL..Barreth, you crack me up. Anyhow, about the boiling water. It just proves of how heat resistant a Yautja is. I mean, c'mon, their homeworld Praedra (Pray - Dra) has an annual average temp of well over 150 degrees so, they've built up quite a resistance to any form of extreme heat. Also, dont worry, I didn't go to Praedra and take instrument measurements lol, but, this is all very credible info from books and websites. Also, about the syringe. Take into consideration the Yautja's supreme technology. Perhaps they had to develop a really advanced sharpness to the syringe to just allow it to penetrate. Take into account of how strong a Yautja is. He was pushing on that syringe when it penetrated. If it was a human trying to stab him with it, it may not have gone through since he would be considerably physically weaker. But you're right in the fact of how the flesh gave way when it went through, made it look rather soft.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 07:10:33 AM
Glad I can be entertaining Cetanu  I just like to play the devils advocate... I neither agree nor disagree with any of the statements you've made. just makes it more interesting to look at both points of view  Anyways, I'm outta here for the day... later boys
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 24, 2004, 07:13:21 AM
150 degrees?! Really? No way, It must be maximum 60 degrees man! no life-from could survive that! 150 degrees? Than they should die in the temple of the colds. It's like -20 or something in the temple. taht boiled water, hmmm i shower at with te heat button full open and a quarter spin of the cold, that's hot too, but Yautja are reptiles and reptiles are cold-blooded that means the adept of they'r enviormental temp. So maybe they could resist boiled water.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 24, 2004, 07:19:56 AM
Its just funny to me how you guys give these facts like the pred is and actual real creature,    ???   and Cetanu , just because some jabroni put in his book the the pred homeworld is called praedra and that the temp is 150 degrees is not fact those are his OWN ideas incorperated into the story HE made up.You guys crack me up, you guys take in all this info from numerous different writer then regurgitate it back up like you reading from the pred boble or pred insiclapedia for cripes sake, pretty lame if you ask me
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 07:22:15 AM
Barreth looks like I struck a nerve. You're right it is a fan site but ya gotta admit, I had a good point. Some people take it too far. I have never laughed so hard than when I read what you wrote. Ok I'm retarded. Oh and you say I am hiding behind a computer, then what the f**k are you using to access this site smart guy. I'm just keeping it real, besides it's all in fun. I hope I never run into you. You probably are ripped out from all the jerking off and reading comic books, and the video game playing is probably made you completely insane. YUP!    :D     :D     ;D     ;D  For real though you guys are awesome.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 07:25:36 AM
Bringer of Death you rule!!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: roger that on Jun 24, 2004, 07:28:29 AM
screw the comics, screw the books.  they all are messed up when AVP (and possible P3) movie comes. same thing happened to terminator and aliens.   150 degrees and predator homeplanet.. oh man. whos the president of predator-land then? do they have zoo's there?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 07:30:25 AM
I have been watching from the side lines watching all of you bicker and it is quite amusing. How you know that preds can withstand boiling water is beyond me but I di think the predators have though skin. If not explain why during the DVD chapter the Subway Assasin does the predator keep coming at Bill Paxton. I dont take the books as serious as Cetanu or Winston but they where interesting and was a different outlook but the movies is what I go by. You guys that sit there and read them over and over and then sleep and then they read them again and again my hats are off to you. You are true fans. Strange but true fans and rock on.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 24, 2004, 07:30:38 AM
..., ..., This is bulshit. I was very disapointed of ya guys. Really, I understand that preds are strong and all but some serios s***** have been said here.  1-Winston, your a amature, its your right to think that books are good sources, but dont say s*** like the armor is made of alien exo, or that they can dodge bullet, or that they could kill an alien bear hands. Comon we all understand that your a pred fan, but if you think that your bringing something good here, its ******. Tell me , How does a pred could dodge a bullet?? you saw in the movies that the preds are really not that fast at all. Anyway, Im not taking anything you say for facts or proof. So continue to say things that dumb if ya want. Bring proofs and facts and then we are goin to be in buissness.  RotaterP, Its our choice to collect or love things or not, you dont have a damn word to say on it. we maybe need to gat a life but you need to shut up. You dont seem to respect alot o things but you will respect fans . If ya got a thing to say on this, keep it.  Variable, I taught you were better man, you posted so much thing that was good. Why writting ***** now??. Aliens are only stronger cuz of numbers?? Its cool that your a pred fan but man, really disapointed of ya. Anyway you were just writting your opinion.   Nah its obvious that there is more preds than aliens on here but if ya want to convince me that preds are better, youll need better stuff than this. Anyway, I can see that some of ya are basing on facts and not on supposition. This reassures me. Anyway, bring good points and ILL listen to ya ppl but stop the pred is invincable thing.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 07:39:56 AM
Well Hell Alien, We are all so sorry to disappoint you but since (as  Barreth would put it) we are all kick as fans we can say and think whatever the f**k we want. And if someone wants to get mad at me for making fun or just joking then f**k em and f**k you. I think we all need to calm down and remember that we are all fans. I think we are so tired of waiting for this movie to get here, it's a good thing we are all not in a room together, this shit would get bloody. I didn't mean to affend anyone but lighten the f**k up and have a since of humor you DAMN DIRTY APES!   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 07:48:08 AM
Hell Alien I am sorry if I offended you with the only thing that aliens have is numbers. That is my opinion. I was dissapointed with the aliens in AR because they could have done so much more. For example when it was climbing up that ladder slow and steady to get those guys when it could have easly scaled it. Sure they move fast, have killing claws, and have no emotion, but when they have to take live victems they are weak and need numbers. That is there weakness as said in AVP2. Sure they could easly have dominated in any of there movies but there weaknesses and lack of reason, logic and proportion. I agree with you that preds arnt invincable. Aliens could very well dominate but with what I have seen I am not sure who will dominate. Once again, sorry that I offended you.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 07:52:56 AM
Hey RotaderP dont go Hudson and loose it on us. If I was in a room with you I dont think it would get bloody. Keep it cool man. Relax man,
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 24, 2004, 07:55:29 AM
If ya want to joke, then say it and dont make comments like " I dont pretend to be a freakin know it all god." Cuz in my book, thats an insult and it was not looking like you were jokin at all. So yes f**k you too and if ya want to joke, then just say it. the    ;D   you put out at the end of ya post is a sing of not serious thing that I dont take as an insult.  And I know that we are all fans you dumb. Otherwise we would not take this that serious. And I dont say that I know it all or that Im the biggest fan and all. Anyway this is indeed a forum so we are free to say anything we want.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 07:56:49 AM
Allllrighty then!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 07:58:57 AM
Oooops     ;D   Sorry I forgot.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 24, 2004, 08:06:52 AM
Hey Variable, the fact it that I was not only disapointed that you said the aliens would win cuz of numbers. But you also said that a pred could take out an alien without weapons. You should be a real pred man , cuz ou really have the OVERCONFIDENT side of tha pred. All of ya who said that the pred would win are really sounding like the alien is a weak lil monster that anyone could take out. That is what pisses me off.you dont even seem to respect the thing. I can say that preds sucks too ya know. but to bring the point why they suck is another thing. None of ya ppl wrote anything that could suport your theory tha preds are" invincable" . And that aliens are poor loosers. Bring tha point that will make me flinch then I will respect ya opinion
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 08:08:57 AM
How old are you, Hell Alien? 12?    ;D   I remembered this time.    PREDATORS RULE!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 24, 2004, 08:09:12 AM
your a looser rotaderp. Anyway Im done with ya
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 08:13:09 AM
But I gave you the    ;D   signal. Are you mad at me? By the way how can you prove your points about the Aliens when you can't even spell? I was wrong. 10.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 24, 2004, 08:24:29 AM
I'm out, have a good one, EVERYBODY!   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: FlyOnTheWaLL on Jun 24, 2004, 10:02:53 AM
Look, preds aren't invincible, the creators of them just wanted to make up a ultimate hunter specis added with technology(e.g. cloaking) this a role to which they are suited the ultimate hunters And aliens were created to be the perfect organism by the writer's, whose basic instincts were all geared toward survival of the hive. So basicly its The perfect hunter Vs. the Perfect organism    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Cetanu on Jun 24, 2004, 10:06:11 AM
I wont specify anyone here cause that's just plain rude, but who can possibly have the nerve to say Predators aren't fast. They are not just brute strength, they have the reflexes and the speed to compliment that as well. Heck if they didn't, how could they still be alive? How could they logically stand a chance against an Alien if it wasn't fast? You want an example of speed, remember from the time that your heard 'Billy' scream in Predator to when the Yautja attacks Arnold and the survivors, is just a few seconds, and by that time they had quite a bit of distance on that log sprawled over the river. The Yautja had to cover a lot of that ground really 'fast' dont you think. Also, just after you see 'Dylan's' arm get blasted off, dont you remember the cloaked Yautja sprinting at him. Tell me that wasn't cheetah speed at least. The Yautja are speed demons you guys, if you need additional proof of it, let me know and I'll give you more.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 11:06:59 AM
Hell Alien, I do respect the alien. There is no other organism is as perfict as it. Real or not. They are as Ash said a perfict organim.They reproduse with out having sex which takes away that whole big image. Lets face it if we all didnt think about sex we wwould be alot more focused and to the point. They kill a host then the body is eaten, then they grow, real fast. Yes I am a big predator fan and I have a great amount of confidence in them.  As specialy the elders. Sorry that you are disapointed in me but thats what I think. Lets just leave it at that. You seem like a good guy and I dont want to get in a whole thing with you. You have your thoughts and I have mine. Lets drop it.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 24, 2004, 11:21:30 AM
I dont say that its not fast, but they are not that fast. first, when Billy got killed on the log, the pred got there fast, too fast. It was like that in movies at that time. Sometimes, you could see that kind of stuff in movies like star wars and others where you say how the hell did he got there that fast. Look at horror movies, it was alot in these movies like Friday the 13 or chainsaw massacre. Where you see the bad guy coming out of nowhere when the hero ran like 3 times faster than him. one other thing, you dont even hear a branch or a leaf moving in that sequence wich is almost impossible to do. I dare you to walk and jump on threes without making any noise. Hard to do ( for humans    ;)  ) but even cats that are not that heavy at all makes some noise. So a I think 600 pound pred thats not making any noise. Bit contreversial there. Anyway its my opinion. you can say me wrong.   then for dillon, you can clearly see that the pred is far from goin at the speed of a cheetah. Wich is almost impossible for a 2 legged creature. You can see the background behind the pred not defiling that fast at all. was just like if we ran, the pred in that sequence is not goin more than 20-25 kph max. And you dont real;ly see the pred goin that fast in P2 as well. Anyway if ya got more example of it, I would love to hear them. Cuz for now I still think that the alien is faster.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 11:31:32 AM
I am going to have to take Hell Alien's side on this one. Aliens are definetly faster. This is shown in Alien 3 the most. When that thing got going it flew. It outran so many people. Only a few people got away, like David, who eventualy bought it anyway.    >:D   They are faster.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 24, 2004, 11:33:32 AM
Variable, I dont want to start anything either. But I hate when things like this happen, that ppl are getting too much in tha character they love. I love tha pred, he is the coolest of the movie industry, Hes been copyied alot and that is what makes him so great to my eyes. But when I say that aliens have bigger chances, Im not getting the pred down to a point where anything could kill it . Im trying to give supporting arguments to what Im saying. Cuz tha pred is a damn good warrior that will not be easy kill, but so will be tha alien as well. The movie will finally show that. I just want ppl to stop saying aliens are shits when they dont even know why they say it. Just cuz they love the pred better.  Anyway if ya guys want, we stop all of this right now. I never taught that it was goin to get like this. At the point of insults and bullshitting. I apologize to you guys for that, really I didnt want that to go there. But I taught that ppl were goin to give some good arguments here. That I would learn more stuff, but like I said I defenetly dont reffer to books comics and games what alot of ya guys do. Thats why its not workin. Anyway sorry for this and if ya all want, we end this. Or if ya want to continue its fine with me
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Fari_21 on Jun 24, 2004, 12:47:16 PM
PREDAtor.....WIN....alien...go home draggin ur dead bodies...   ;D     >:D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Pvt Hudson on Jun 24, 2004, 12:50:35 PM
Preds moving as fast as cheetahs? thats a lil ridiculous dont you think!
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: avpmaster132004 on Jun 24, 2004, 01:07:52 PM
hec no the preds are weak aliens will win
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Yen? on Jun 24, 2004, 01:31:40 PM
I have a question.  If Bishop Weyland has billions, then why does he have a shitty office?  Look at the pic of him, Lex, and Max in his office.  I mean c'mon, even I have a nicer office than that.  Maybe he means a billion yen.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Galmorzu on Jun 24, 2004, 01:55:08 PM
It might be his temporary office on the boat.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: TheOutcast on Jun 24, 2004, 02:30:16 PM
Ladies and Gentleman, I certainly don't mind speculating, but when answering the question which is stronger? or who would win in a fight? It is impossible to answer. Each film (either predator or alien) has had a different director or has changed the attributes/feats/abilities of the two species to a degree in order for it to look the way he wants it. The Same goes for the books and any other canon. Also there is immersuarable or impossible to calculate/guess factors involved when discussing this (i.e. skin, strength, environment, individual etc). It is an impossiblity for there to be right answer especially considering these two characters are fictional. To a select few : just because people disagree with you does not mean you have to insult or put down people. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. There is no right or wrong answer and when people start swearing and insulting each other the argument/debate disolves and it becomes personal. I am not going to be specific but can please a few people grow up and be mature and turn out an interesting discussion/debate.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Shadow on Jun 24, 2004, 07:03:22 PM
I was watching from the sidelines all the bickering happening in this comments forum and could'nt help being amused. So what if some fans believe a predator can dodge bullets or even kill an alien with it's bare hands (with no weapons). It does not matter. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Anyway my opinion is (an opinion and not fact) that a predator cannot dodge bullets nor has the ability to kill an alien with it's bare hands. What would the point be of young predators testing their mettle against aliens then be, as will be depicted in the movie.  By the way, I prefer Predators but cheapening an alien's ability does not bode well, especially for alien fans. The alien after all should be correctly portrayed as the perfect monster / killing machine.  Yo Bringer of Death, you seem sensible.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 24, 2004, 08:55:14 PM
hahaah, Fan vs. Fans!    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 24, 2004, 08:59:09 PM
Can we talk about the movies plz ? Yautja and Xenomorph both cool. I like the Xeno's as much as the Yautja's.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: shadow on Jun 24, 2004, 09:17:08 PM
One question. Will there be three or five predators in AVP?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: OSWOC on Jun 24, 2004, 10:18:10 PM
I hope there are 5 predators in Avp or more
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 10:40:05 PM
hahaha wow, it got pretty heated in here after I left.. but outcast is right. Regardless of what anybody says or thinks, you have to remember these characters are fictional and that their abilities are going to vary from movie to movie based on the directors ideas and how the plot is supposed to flow... as far as books and comics are concerned. All it really is, is a bunch of guys, or 1 guy... sitting in his basement trying to come up with new and interesting ideas to keep the story of aliens and predator fresh... so certain things are going to change  a healthy rivalry is fine... but dont get personal or angry... everyone has their preference and will defend it accordingly... but remember it is just fiction... and it's all supposed to be for fun...  and rotaderp or rotaderd or whatever the hell ur name is... ur just an idiot...
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 24, 2004, 10:52:40 PM
And to answer your question Shadow and OSWOC.. in an interview with Paul Anderson, (which you can d/l and watch off the main web site) he stated there would be 5 teenage predators... but many people are predicting only 3
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Shadow on Jun 24, 2004, 11:28:38 PM
I read the Paul Anderson interview awhile back and he said five. In the trailor where it seems that the predators arrive only three are present. Maybe the other two are hiding somewhere. I hope there are five.    :-\  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 24, 2004, 11:29:17 PM
I think there will be more than five predators. Look, there is the five teenage predators, and the one elder predator.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 24, 2004, 11:45:16 PM
@Hell Alien many posts back. now i m not trying to rob you of your opinion. but first of all how old are you because you cant even begin to call me an amutuer. as for the Pred armor it say in the first AVP BOOK Prey when the predators are on thier ship preparing to land on seeded planet. As well as the fact that they can kill aliens with their bare hands. the clan leader in the frist book tell his story about it. as for the boling water theory i dont know but i do know that they can lean up aginst a bolier that is over 300 degrees F. for quite a long time. (found in the book Predator-Cold War. I wasnt the one who said they could dodge bullets because they cant, i dissagree with that. but i know they are fast but nothing near cheeta speed. yes, the aliens are most likley faster but the Preds have the skill and experience.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Shadow on Jun 25, 2004, 12:04:12 AM
I hope you are right Variable otherwise if there are only three, it would mean that one Predator is killed by the aliens (assuming one is killed when it is swarmed by the aliens). Another dies after being impregnated and the Predalien appears leaving only one remaining predator (unless the Predalien appears at the end of the movie). I certainly hope five is what will appear as one or two predators should realistically be taken by the aliens (either killed or impregnated). I wonder if the humans manages to kill a predator.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 12:07:03 AM
the humans will most likley kill a few preds. Damn humans they always win. i hate humans   >:D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 25, 2004, 12:11:28 AM
Sadly a predator does die by a human. A while ago I dont know if you remember but you saw a short clip of Bishop setting a Predator on fire with a flame thrower. Whether this kills it or not I dont know. It was in one of the behind the sceens clips if you want to check it out.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 25, 2004, 12:15:49 AM
If he dies... it wont be from the flame... the flame hardly phased him at all... looks like it pissed him off more than anything
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: winston on Jun 25, 2004, 12:18:03 AM
true
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: RotaderP on Jun 25, 2004, 12:18:25 AM
Hey Barreth,  Don't get mad at me because you jerk off to a predator movie and you really don't know shit because you are just another 10 year old that can't get off his computer for 5 seconds, I am just a fan like you but you can't take the opposite opinion. So f**k you buddy.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 12:24:38 AM
Hey, RotaderP, this is just a question so dont take it personally. How old are you?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 25, 2004, 12:29:13 AM
RatorderP just get off of my Comp screen would ya? Or must i call the bug-exterminator.   >:D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 12:31:21 AM
Bring in the Preds   ;)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 25, 2004, 12:31:37 AM
The fact that you came on this forum just to flame shows just how much of a dumbass you really are... another 10 yr old? buddy you talk and flame like you're 12... you have no idea how old anybody is... you come in here trash talking like ur some f**king hot shot... "get laid once in a while".. you stupid punk... the closest thing you'll ever get to being laid is have your dog lick peanut butter off your nuts...  "getting buff by jerking off and reading comic books" good one you f**king tool...did you write that one yourself? I think thats the 3rd or 4th time you've tried to make fun of me by saying I jerk off... it was a good try... but it failed... so... thanx for comin out  and what would you know about the pred an alien universe anyways, all you've done since you've got on this forum is cut everyone else down... You sit there and make fun of everyone, but admitt to watching the pred and alien movies hundreds of times and memorizing every line... wtf? Instead of making fun of everyone else and trying to feel cool, how about you contribute something useful  People come here to talk about the alien and pred universe... if you wanna join em then go for it... obviously thats what this place is for.. but dont come on here and cut everyone else down to try and make yourself look better than everyone else 1.) it's pathetic 2.) it's immature and 3.) you just look like a f**king idiot  you wanna flame and try and start a b*tch fight with me... then go for it... but you'll be wasting your time.. this is the last time I'm gonna say anything to you
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 25, 2004, 12:36:39 AM
Barreth, you rule.   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 12:38:41 AM
This is fun   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Shadow on Jun 25, 2004, 12:41:19 AM
I think the best thing for everyone is to ignore RotaderP. I just noticed now that RotaderP is Predator backward. That says something about the owner of the name. hehe.    :D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Darkness on Jun 25, 2004, 12:42:40 AM
Don\'t you just hate troublemakers? RotaderP - You\'re now banned.  End of this argument.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 25, 2004, 12:46:01 AM
And thats.... how we do that... lady's and gentleman good work Darkness... sorry for the flaming and swearing...   Alien Emporer: Thanx buddy  Winston: hehe, glad you were entertained
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 12:49:34 AM
Darkness!, Darkness!   8)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 01:19:51 AM
Yawn! is have 6 hours of work left lets keep talking
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Barreth on Jun 25, 2004, 01:29:03 AM
Ya... I hafta work till 5 too
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 25, 2004, 01:37:47 AM
Nice one Darkness. I was getting tired of listening to him anyway. Good call.    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 02:23:38 AM
Can he still read what we are saying? how does thiss banning thing work?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Majin Jekku on Jun 25, 2004, 03:18:35 AM
Okay, okay.  So, I guess I wasn't specific enough when I said the aliens were mindless killing machines.  When I said that, I meant that they kill upon instinct.  They are trying to survive.  They are intellingent in some ways... If they can't get through a blast door or something... They will surely try to find another way around and they know how to cut the power... But, I think they just learned that after being at that colony for such a long period of time.  These creatures can learn to be obedient... to a certain extent... Like, in Alien Ressurection.  So, we know they are pretty smart but they would kill a pregnant woman without thinking twice.  The alien queen is far by the smartest though.  She can figure out how to use things real fast and is far by the toughest b*tch.  She told those other aliens to back off when she realized that Ripley was a major threat to her "babies" inside the eggs.  So, she's the smartest one... But, her objective is to survive and keep the hive populated.  You see what I mean?  And, about the Predalien being born in the lab?  Ha!  It's definitely born through the chest of a impregnated predator.  Predators are not the "good guys."  However, since they are of high intelligence...  They can be reasoned with and might team up with the humans or something in a tight situation.  I dunno...  They will most likely win.  >_>;  But, who knows?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SENTINEL on Jun 25, 2004, 04:04:00 AM
DARKNESS YOUR TO FUNNY   ;D   dint you just hate trouble makers BAMM! your banned lololol,it reminds me of me and you when i sent you those great emails lololol.    ;)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Winston on Jun 25, 2004, 05:43:26 AM
is everybody afraid to post in fear that Darkness might get pissed? if not id say we basically taked the shit out of this topic    :)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 25, 2004, 05:43:33 AM
Ok,I quit with that predalien crap. It's just Comic and Games sh*t, got nothing to do with teh movie's
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 25, 2004, 06:02:40 AM
I think    :-\  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Cookies on Jun 25, 2004, 06:30:09 AM
Of course they were smart in reserrection, they had some human dna in them.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 25, 2004, 06:39:20 AM
Yes, only intelligence! not how they look like.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: A-J on Jun 25, 2004, 06:44:30 AM
actually i'd prefer everything the way it originally was, aliens SHOULD not be smart, they're supposed to be like a wild brood, killing anything that comes in their way.. alien resurection was just too weird showing the aliens as smart creatures.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 25, 2004, 06:50:09 AM
A-J u'r right just the standard alien.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 25, 2004, 07:01:41 AM
Yea, in AR they were scary smart. Like when it used its mouth to turn on the steam. Or when they pulled Wincott through the floor and used his dead body to lure everyone to it. They were beter in Alien, Aliens, and in Alien 3 when they wernt a bunch of genues's and I am not afraid to post Winston.    :D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 25, 2004, 10:03:02 AM
Good, darkness you rule. was about time tho   ;)    Well lets get back to buisness, First winston, I will stop writting comments on A vs P. It is just not working, I should say that we all do the same. Lets argue on tha movie. Anyway bud, I better love talking with ya than shitting ya. your a cool guy bit its defenetly not working for the avp.  For the first thing, P A said there was 5 preds. I dunno why someone said it was 3?. Cuz we see 3 in the trailers? Well think to this,1- there is more than 1 celtic and more than 1 fish face or normal pred. May be they are all from diferent clans that wears different masks, so 2 of a clan, 2 of another. A single representant of the 3rd clan and finally the elder. could be a possibility. taught to that?? Or 2- there is 3 pred and Pa said that to take us on a false route. But I doubt it, It would be kind of boring if there is 3 preds dont ya think?   And for the alien intelligence, true in Rez they were very intelligent, but not too intelligent. And we dont know if the "normals aliens " would have done the same thing. For the push of te button to the trap etc. Since we only saw it in Rez, we cant say that they were more intelligent cuz of the humans dna. If so, then be it, but the aliens would have reacted a simillar way.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 26, 2004, 02:27:42 AM
I thought the only alien that was spliced with human dna was the queen so she could grow that uterus type thing and give birth to the newborn like a human or mamal for that matter and also thats why the new born looked more human then alien because of ripleys dna and thats why it feels ripley is its mother not the queen.The queen didnt have the right human pheramones that ripley did so the new born killed her.And as for the alien that pushed the button on that guy, it new how to do it because its been tortured with it for who knows how long until it would stop and back off when the scientist would just have to put his hand over the button as to say if you dont do as i say your gonna get it
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 26, 2004, 04:13:19 AM
Bringer of Death is exactly right. The movie AR isn't that complicated.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 26, 2004, 06:43:33 AM
thanks there Alien Emperor, I dont really think that the aliens in resurection were that much more intelligent then any of the other ones we've seen before.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Jason on Jun 26, 2004, 08:33:14 AM
Just thought i'd add my comments on what i've read. We were saying the pred has a code of honour. true. but then the subway was brought up. Did anyone notice that everyone in pred 1&2 that got killed had guns. Hey even the grandma had a big one. That why the pred didn't kill the south american chick in pred one. she wasn't armed. And dutch realized it too, that's why he kicked the gun out of her hands. Now too the aliens, they're a constantly evolving species spread out across the universe that rarely come into contact. they rely mostly on instinct. yes, they are smart and i won't argue that, but when the queen backed away from the torch it was instinct. Plus those things get pretty frickin hot.   :D   anyhoo just my thought i could be wrong but hey whatever right    ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Fari_21 on Jun 27, 2004, 03:47:46 AM
Ok ok imma put it simple for those so Called ALIEN HARDCORE fanz....THEY SUCK,,, u wanna wait fo da dvd better dat way u don't pay to see ur so call hardcore aliens get fried, chopp up like chap suyi...  they hatin on me in other boards for speakin the truth but i aint gonna be a fa...g about it and  give their names here since i'm not to tell people off when they aint around......anywayz,,,,,,,,PREDS RULE LIKE IT OR NOT IS THE TRUTH..... PEACe....   8)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 27, 2004, 03:50:57 AM
Fari_21, HAHA, HAHAHAHA in your face   ;D  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: wagf on Jun 27, 2004, 04:29:16 AM
go aliens motha f**kas
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Bringer of Death on Jun 27, 2004, 07:28:55 AM
Fari freak show, how do you figure the preds win, they get there asses kicked if you ask me seeing as how if there are 5 in this movie only 1 lives? thats sounds like there get beat to me, Im a huge pred fan but dont count out the aliens strength speed and agility as we see when the 1 pred in the prailer gets f ed up by the aliens.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 27, 2004, 10:03:10 AM
and wha makes u think that the hive of aliens are still alive?????????????????? i read befor an interview thats was posted here alil while and back i remember the guy who who had visited the set said that it was last scenes shot and he said there were only 3 survivers an alien witch he didnt witch one it was  a pred and lex ......So no i ask u how U figure that the predz are the loosing bunch?? none of  us really know who will win,  but there alil something to think about......
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 27, 2004, 10:57:15 AM
Both will get their ass kicked. Its A   V   P. Preds are goin to get trashed, then aliens are goin to get trashed. But still, how many preds, how many aliens, does the queen have time for some trashing before the end,  Put these all together and youll get a lil idea. I think that there will be 5 preds + elder= 6 preds in total. I think that there will be around 9 aliens in the start but goin up in the movie to maybe 20 cuz of the crew. = 1 predalien. And that the queen will screw like 2 preds, then at the end, its lex the pred vs the queen and maybe 10-15 aliens. Ten the elder come to take the surviving pred home, discover that lex is there, that the queen and the aliens are out. So he decide to fight the queen to let time to the 2 survivor to get out. Then BIG BADABOOM. the pyramid get or sealed or destroyed. The end.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 27, 2004, 11:00:06 AM
yea i heard that theres ganna be around 15 to 20 aliens or so
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 27, 2004, 11:06:38 AM
Yeah, 9 from the sacrificial chamber + the crew  = around 20 aliens. Or the aliens all come from the crewand the sacrificial chamber mummys were used like 100 years ago. Or more
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 27, 2004, 11:15:52 AM
some said  on another site that theres ganna be like  100 aliens i said wah a f**king dummy i was like man there cannot be 5 predz and a hole army of aliens other then the pyramid scene , i mean if u read deep in to the reviewz and interviews ull c that theres alimit of  alien just like predator..
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 27, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
100 !!!!!!!!!!! forget it, cant be. No chance in hell. Otherwise the preds wont have time to pass any test, as soon as an alien will saw them, its really gonna be war, and the preds are really gonna need their lil gizmos to save their butts. But they wont survive 1 min against 100, that guy is not knowing what he is talknig about. i consider this as bulshit. Did he said where he got the info on that????????
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 27, 2004, 12:33:20 PM
well he said  www.ign.com but thats bullshit i just check and there isnt anything of that nature on none of the stuff they got of avp
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 27, 2004, 12:40:28 PM
Knew it, its crap. PA would not do such a thing. To dumb. Or not every aliens is released at the same time, just at the end when the queen is freed.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 27, 2004, 12:42:17 PM
yeeaa maybe when shes freed like in the concept art u see the pred telling lex to leave or run w/e and then u see her in front running towards them with alot of aliens behind her
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 27, 2004, 12:55:33 PM
Exactly, we cant say anything till we see the damn thing cuz alot o things can happen in this that we are not waiting for,
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 27, 2004, 12:57:18 PM
C"MON PPL GET SOME IDEAS IN.......
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 27, 2004, 01:03:21 PM
like what, everything have been said
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Variable on Jun 28, 2004, 06:27:37 AM
I agree that there will only be about 15 to 20 aliens. Any more would just be absured. Does anyone know how many people are with the team? Including scientists and gunman.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Alien Emperor on Jun 28, 2004, 06:44:28 AM
Like, 6,7 people?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 28, 2004, 08:45:13 AM
No more than that, looking at the trailas out so far, look like there is goin to be about 10-12 ppl. But I will check again, the thing is that with trailas, we see ppl that haves bigger roles but not really the ones that die quick and things. So Ill check this out again and Ill try to post something more accurate. But since we didnt saw the thing, Nothing is to be taken accurate here.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 28, 2004, 09:28:44 AM
i just checked the trailer and i counted 19 if them maybe i missed a ferw but i counted 10....   ;D     more beats and more spines to come off lol
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 28, 2004, 09:34:43 AM
Well here we go. it will be around that pretty much. 20 aliens, 6 preds, around 15-19 ppl goin down. Still to know if tha preds are gonna use that Plasma against the aliens. we see that one shoot of it but on who?
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Jason on Jun 28, 2004, 09:56:35 AM
I read somewhere about the hive coming out of hibernation, but i'll read up on this. 5 preds could easily take 20 aliens. I think we've had this argument before though.ah well, i'll follow up on this post.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Neurook on Jun 28, 2004, 10:37:22 AM
About the Aliens being cannon-fodder and generally unintelligent pieces of meat. That may be, when commanded by a queen in a established hive ( Aliens ) the drones take on a swarming attack pattern.  Strength in numbers, full frontal attacks, surrounding.  When not in contact with a thriving hive the Alien seem to start using more independent thought. ( Alien, Alien 3 )  Stealth, Hit and Run tactics.  The Alien is obviously a deadly foe either way and while the swarming style of attack pattern involves more losses it probably gets the results all that quicker. I hope they try evening the odds between both species. I dont want to see the predators overrunning the aliens and I dont want to see the aliens slauthering the predators.  I do want to see them scientists bleed though    8)  
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: Hell Alien on Jun 28, 2004, 11:39:04 AM
Amen, thats what I want too. your right.  But Jason, 5 preds vs 20 aliens= preds looses. it depends on the distance of the alien tho but to kill 20 aliens the pred wont have any choice to hit with their plasma. and if the aliens are too close, it will be the end. But PA will not make the aliens all of them go on the preds. Thats is for sure. it will be more stealth and atk style. otherwise it would be a short movie.
Title: Re: AvP Article in Sci-Fi Magazine
Post by: SaNdMaNxX on Jun 29, 2004, 08:32:34 AM
hey hell i told u once man thats the only way aliens could actually kill a pred with out getting hurt or no hurt much lol       ;D