Sigourney Weaver Says 'Ship Has Sailed' on Fifth 'Alien' Movie and Reprising Ripley: 'I Really Wanted to Do It With Neill Blomkamp'
QuoteHarrison Ford is returning to the "Indiana Jones" franchise in the upcoming "Dial of Destiny," marking a return to the character he's now played for 42 years. It's been 44 years since Sigourney Weaver first played Ellen Ripley in Ridley Scott's "Alien," but don't expect her to pull a Ford/"Dial of Destiny" and return to the role that made her an action movie icon. In a new interview with Total Film magazine, Weaver said her days as Ripley are over.
"There are all kinds of younger actors taking this kind of role," Weaver said. "And there was an 'Alien' [film] that I really wanted to do with Neill Blomkamp and we didn't get to do that, but, you know, that ship has sailed. I'm very happy doing what I'm doing. I put in my time in space!"
"District 9" filmmaker Blomkamp scripted and prepped for an "Alien" movie that never got off the ground at 20th Century Fox. The sequel would've marked Weaver's fifth time playing Ripley after "Alien" (1979), "Aliens" (1986), "Alien 3" (1992) and "Alien: Resurrection" (1997). Back in 2015 during the film's development, Weaver told Variety that it would "break new ground."
"I can't think of a better director," Weaver said at the time about Blomkamp, who directed her in "Chappie." "He's a real fan. I think he'll be true to the world and take it in unexpected directions. It's got a lot of sinew in it. It will certainly stand up to the others and probably break a lot of new ground as well."
"Alien 5" never made it into production, but that wasn't the end of Weaver getting offers to join a new "Alien" movie. Weaver confirmed to Empire magazine in summer 2020 that franchise producer Walter Hill had sent her a 50-page treatment for "a different take on a fifth Ripley film." Hill served as producer on every "Alien" movie and has a story credit on James Cameron's "Aliens."
Weaver did not reveal what was in Hill's treatment, but she didn't appear too interested in coming back to the franchise then either. "I don't know," she said. "Ridley has gone in a different direction. Maybe Ripley has done her bit. She deserves a rest."
20th Century Studios is currently in production on a new "Alien" movie with "Evil Dead" director Fede Alvarez. Cailee Spaeny ("Mare of Easttown") is leading a cast that also includes David Jonsson ("Industry"), Archie Renaux ("Shadow and Bone"), Isabela Merced ("Rosaline"), Spike Fearn ("The Batman") and Aileen Wu ("Away from Home"). Scott is an executive producer on the film.
While the premise for the yet-to-be-titled new "Alien" movie is under wraps, 20th Century Studios has confirmed the film will follow "a group of young people on a distant world, who find themselves in a confrontation with the most terrifying life form in the universe."
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/sigourney-weaver-retires-ripley-alien-5-wont-happen-1235595673/
I know its not a popular opinion but I would have liked to see Ripley / Sigourney one more time. Too bad the Blomkamp film wasn't made.
I have mixed feelings. It would have been nice to see Ripley back for one last go around. At the same time, Ripley's story has been told, and the ideas that we were told from Blomkamp's story didn't really appeal to me, and the last thing you want is a bad legacy sequel, tainting the Ripley character.
Honestly we dodged a bullet losing the Blompkamp project. He messed with set lore too much that would have pissed people off more than the Scott prequels did. It would have been a big mess.
I'm fine with this. She had an amazing run.
I'm actually fine with this. As much as I wanted to see Michael Biehn back - and just have a new Alien film - I was always a little hesitant about the idea of an alternate sequel. And everything that I've learned about this project - both publicly, and not yet - has me very pleased we didn't get it. It's a dodged bullet imho. I will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
Best alien news I've heard all year
I never wanted blomkamp's film
And I firmly believe the alien franchise needs to move on from Ripley and her family
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI'm actually fine with this. As much as I wanted to see Michael Biehn back - and just have a new Alien film - I was always a little hesitant about the idea of an alternate sequel. And everything that I've learned about this project - both publicly, and not yet - has me very pleased we didn't get it. It's a dodged bullet imho. I will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
Looking forward to seeing this as I know very little about the Blomkamp project.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
Will that include the stuff that's not been publicly revealed yet?
You and Mike are awfully cloak and dagger. :P
Bloody hell, hope so.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 27, 2023, 12:50:20 AMHonestly we dodged a bullet losing the Blompkamp project. He messed with set lore too much that would have pissed people off more than the Scott prequels did. It would have been a big mess.
From the stuff that is "public" it seemed like it would have served as an ending to the whole franchise (showing an ending to WY)....
being produced at the same time as Ridley is making prequels that aim at expanding lore and the world.
And Hollywood is notoriously averse to the idea of giving "endings" to long running franchises.
Maybe that's also part of the reason why it failed to launch.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI'm actually fine with this. As much as I wanted to see Michael Biehn back - and just have a new Alien film - I was always a little hesitant about the idea of an alternate sequel. And everything that I've learned about this project - both publicly, and not yet - has me very pleased we didn't get it. It's a dodged bullet imho. I will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
You certainly know how to pique my curiosity can't wait.
I would've liked to see it made just for the chance to see Sigourney vs Aliens again, but the smarter side of me knows Alien 3 is a strong enough ending and perfect wrap up to the trilogy that it shouldn't be retconned.
I cannot express how happy I am to hear that the nail is finally in the coffin on this idea. Every last thing about the Blomkamp project looked and sounded absolutely abysmal, from the cast (sorry but we don't need to go the 'Halloween Ends' route), the concept art that featured zero of the franchise's aesthetics (has the guy ever seen an Alien movie!?), it appeared to be nothing more than a 'greatest hits' of Aliens in the style of Resurrection targeting the 'big-badda-boom' crowd and demonstrated nothing of the tone expected of these films in the glimpses we were presented with. It would have been to the original Alien trilogy the equivalent of Milla Jovovich's final Resident Evil movie to the Resident Evil PS1 games. We didn't just dodge a bullet, we dodged an orbital nuke with this one. I'm not even going to pretend to be apologetic to those who hoped to see it - it's evident that sometimes the audience needs saving from itself... 😅
What I would say, is that the concept art would make for an acceptable Marvel Comic 'what-if' run similar to Gibson's Alien 3, but beyond that... let it die 😅
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI'm actually fine with this. As much as I wanted to see Michael Biehn back - and just have a new Alien film - I was always a little hesitant about the idea of an alternate sequel. And everything that I've learned about this project - both publicly, and not yet - has me very pleased we didn't get it. It's a dodged bullet imho. I will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
My popcorn is popping.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
Color me VERY intrigued...
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 27, 2023, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
Will that include the stuff that's not been publicly revealed yet?
If the sources are cool with it. I need to go over the information I've got and get everything squared away. I've got a couple other pieces in the works already, so I'll start working on this in earnest once that's all sorted. I have been meaning to do this for ages (would you be surprised to know there's been an opening couple of paragraphs and a title in the drafts for years?)
This should be a great read! Looking forward to it.
Definitely believe a bullet dodged but would still love to read the story either in treatment or screenplay form (think Scott said there was no script though?) or as someone in this thread suggested a "What if" comic scenario.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI'm actually fine with this. As much as I wanted to see Michael Biehn back - and just have a new Alien film - I was always a little hesitant about the idea of an alternate sequel. And everything that I've learned about this project - both publicly, and not yet - has me very pleased we didn't get it. It's a dodged bullet imho. I will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
Looking forward to the additional info! 😊
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI'm actually fine with this. As much as I wanted to see Michael Biehn back - and just have a new Alien film - I was always a little hesitant about the idea of an alternate sequel. And everything that I've learned about this project - both publicly, and not yet - has me very pleased we didn't get it. It's a dodged bullet imho. I will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
I wonder if what some know will be ever released to the public. Like you, I wasn't happy with what I had learned about the project and where it was going. Maybe one day some of us can spill the beans. 🤐
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 27, 2023, 10:07:46 AMQuote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 27, 2023, 12:50:20 AMHonestly we dodged a bullet losing the Blompkamp project. He messed with set lore too much that would have pissed people off more than the Scott prequels did. It would have been a big mess.
From the stuff that is "public" it seemed like it would have served as an ending to the whole franchise (showing an ending to WY)....
being produced at the same time as Ridley is making prequels that aim at expanding lore and the world.
And Hollywood is notoriously averse to the idea of giving "endings" to long running franchises.
Maybe that's also part of the reason why it failed to launch.
The public stuff said that yes, but the stuff that some of us have learned would have negated a lot of what fans love. So I don't think it would have been an "ending" most would be satisfied with. It sounded whacky, campy, and after a while didn't feel like was even in the same franchise with what was established.
More and more I become curious about whatever this oddity would have been. Glad it didn't happen, but very very curious about, well, all of it.
Random question - do any of you that are in the know have any idea what this project was like in Blomkamp's original pitch, pre-Ripley and Hicks, before he pitched it to Sigourney on the set of Chappie? Was it essentially the same core concept but with original characters, or a different beast altogether?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 11:21:49 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Apr 27, 2023, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 27, 2023, 09:18:19 AMI will start to put together an editorial on this in the next 3/4 months.
Will that include the stuff that's not been publicly revealed yet?
If the sources are cool with it. I need to go over the information I've got and get everything squared away. I've got a couple other pieces in the works already, so I'll start working on this in earnest once that's all sorted. I have been meaning to do this for ages (would you be surprised to know there's been an opening couple of paragraphs and a title in the drafts for years?)
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Can someone at least confirm it was a full, completed shooting script like Jim Cameron said or was it more just a detailed treatment that Ridley Scott alluded to?
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 27, 2023, 12:42:31 PMIt sounded whacky, campy, and after a while didn't feel like was even in the same franchise with what was established.
I'm usually pretty open to what new writers bring to the table but I don't like "whacky" and I don't like "campy." Blomkamp's movies always seem to skirt that edge - which is fine, that's his style- but for Alien? No.
When a long running franchise resorts to whacky and campy to make itself stand out, that's usually its death knell.
TC
Shame, sounded better than anything we've gotten since 1992. Hope that Fede Alvarez movie turns out good.
RIPley :-
Good honestly.
When I asked both of my friends that just saw Alien and Aliens last night for the first time what they thought...
Despite both massively enjoying each picture, and I personally have never thought higher of Aliens than on the big screen, each said without prompt from me (I for once made a conscious effort to shut up) that they found Newt's behaviour unbelievable later on in Aliens, Lou commented it got overly saccharine and sweet, this being a guy who usually embodies the "uwu softboi" type stereotype, and Charlie could not stand how the camera often framed Ripley and Hicks together.
The audience for this alternate sequel, just in my experience, does not exist beyond a vocal group on the internet.
If they want to tell this story they should just make it as a Graphic Novel. Like a lot of others here I'm glad it never saw the light of day as a movie, and feel we probably dodged a bullet.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 27, 2023, 12:50:20 AMHonestly we dodged a bullet losing the Blompkamp project. He messed with set lore too much that would have pissed people off more than the Scott prequels did. It would have been a big mess.
Nothing about the story ever leaked into the public domain. The most we ever got was mostly the fandom making lots of random speculation about personal interpretation of some of the concept art. There isn't anything there to claim it would have "messed with set lore too much."
Voiding the third film, sure. But since '
Alien 3' already messed up continuity, itself...
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 27, 2023, 10:38:59 AMEvery last thing about the Blomkamp project looked and sounded absolutely abysmal, from the cast (sorry but we don't need to go the 'Halloween Ends' route)
You want someone other than the original actors to show up as Ripley and Hicks? :) Aside from them, we have no idea who the casting would have involved.
Even that wasn't the original idea. It was going to be Ripley-less. Weaver's the one to blame or praise for that, before it changed. He would have been mad to refuse her assistance, though. It probably only got as far as it did, thanks to her.
Quotethe concept art that featured zero of the franchise's aesthetics (has the guy ever seen an Alien movie!?)
Would heavily disagree with that. The derelict concept art was very in keeping with the feel of the first two films. The mutational stuff felt like it had the vibe of the fourth film's cloning experiments, while there's one shot, of an Alien in the shadows of an air duct, which felt like it would have been right at home with Dallas' fate.
We also know Blomkamp outright stated that the presentation style would have emulated the '
Alien Isolation' game's, which everyone praised. If you're trying to get an idea of the aesthetics, just look the game up.
QuoteWhat I would say, is that the concept art would make for an acceptable Marvel Comic 'what-if' run similar to Gibson's Alien 3, but beyond that... let it die 😅
Concept art, by itself, is meaningless. I've said for ages that I'd be interested in the script being converted into a comic, however. Or, even better, audio dram. Then we could have actually got Weaver and Biehn (presumably also Henriksen, but who could really say) reprising their roles for it.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 27, 2023, 01:02:40 PMRandom question - do any of you that are in the know have any idea what this project was like in Blomkamp's original pitch, pre-Ripley and Hicks, before he pitched it to Sigourney on the set of Chappie? Was it essentially the same core concept but with original characters, or a different beast altogether?
Doubtful anyone's got that information who hasn't signed an NDA. We're still waiting for the script of '
Resurrection', where the lead was still a cloned Newt, so, wouldn't hold my breath!
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Apr 27, 2023, 01:06:49 PMCan someone at least confirm it was a full, completed shooting script like Jim Cameron said or was it more just a detailed treatment that Ridley Scott alluded to?
Weaver and Cameron both referred to a script, specifically. Scott is on recored mentioning he had read at least a first draft script (and, to the best of my knowledge, treatments don't tend to go through multiple labelled drafts). Cameron, especially, is whose word/interpretation I'd trust regarding that, being as he's an actual successful scriptwriter, himself.
FWIW, Blomkamp mentioned more than one writer was involved, not solely himself. A lot of outlets have falsely reported otherwise.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2023, 04:42:15 PMNothing about the story ever leaked into the public domain. The most we ever got was mostly the fandom making lots of random speculation about personal interpretation of some of the concept art. There isn't anything there to claim it would have "messed with set lore too much."
I'm talking about things that haven't been given to the public yet. Things I wish I could elaborate on to paint a clearer picture.
But James Cameron said it was Gangbusters!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Apr 27, 2023, 04:42:15 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 27, 2023, 10:38:59 AMEvery last thing about the Blomkamp project looked and sounded absolutely abysmal, from the cast (sorry but we don't need to go the 'Halloween Ends' route)
You want someone other than the original actors to show up as Ripley and Hicks? :) Aside from them, we have no idea who the casting would have involved.
Nope, I don't want to see Ripley and Hicks at all. You just end up with a product that aims to ride on 'memberberries and turns out looking ridiculous, like having a ship completely crewed by pensioners in Star Trek as if that happens in any real life scenario... only these guys are going up against the perfect organism. No thanks. Age with dignity and pass the torch, nobody is buying 80-odd year old Ripley fighting a queen in an Alien suit (but 'member when she did that with a power loader, 'MEMBER??) 😂
QuoteWould heavily disagree with that. The derelict concept art was very in keeping with the feel of the first two films. The mutational stuff felt like it had the vibe of the fourth film's cloning experiments, while there's one shot, of an Alien in the shadows of an air duct, which felt like it would have been right at home with Dallas' fate.
It absolutely wasn't in line with the second movie, unless it self-repaired the heavy damage it sustained on LV-426 during Ripley's 57 year hypersleep 😅
QuoteWe also know Blomkamp outright stated that the presentation style would have emulated the 'Alien Isolation' game's, which everyone praised. If you're trying to get an idea of the aesthetics, just look the game up.
You and I definitely played a different 'Alien Isolation' - the one I played was completely loyal to the aesthetic of the first movie, perfectly maintaining the cassette-futurism look. There was nothing, not even remotely in line with that in the concept art presented. What was shown was massive open spaces, crisp clean sterile environments, soldiers that looked like your generic post-2000's sci-fi movie cliches with zero design elements carried from any Alien movie.
I will say I was down for some new creature designs (parasites etc). But everything else just came across as a poor fanfiction-like concept, like someone had played this story at 9-year old with his Kenner Aliens and grew up and thought it'd make a good movie. Concept art shouldn't be disregarded, as it's intended to paint a picture of what will translate to screen.
In contrast, it took just one set photo from Fede Alvarez's movie to get me excited yesterday, despite knowing very little. One looks like an Alien movie, the other did not.
Tim lebbon must also have details as I recall he said he had to alter elements of his Rage War books to fit with new lore Alien 5 was supposed to introduce.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Apr 27, 2023, 09:12:44 PMTim lebbon must also have details as I recall he said he had to alter elements of his Rage War books to fit with new lore Alien 5 was supposed to introduce.
That's the first time I've heard of this
Quote from: bobby brown on Apr 27, 2023, 05:25:37 PMBut James Cameron said it was Gangbusters!
I love the man but after certain last two movies in a certain franchise he had a certain hand in certainly creating (which is certain) I can't certainly call him certainly trustworthy
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 27, 2023, 09:26:53 PMQuote from: TheBATMAN on Apr 27, 2023, 09:12:44 PMTim lebbon must also have details as I recall he said he had to alter elements of his Rage War books to fit with new lore Alien 5 was supposed to introduce.
That's the first time I've heard of this
Same here.
I remember in an avpgalaxy interview he was told he couldn't touch the engineers, so he came up with the dog alien things instead... but that dates back to his first novel Alien Out of the Shadows which pre-dates blomkamp's original Alien5 concept art post...
Do it as an animated feature.
Blompkamp has been doing full cg shorts as of late for Off the Grid. Use the Love Death Robots style.... full performance capture.
As an animation it'll be more easily understood as a piece that is "outside" the main continuity.
Quote from: Engineer on Apr 27, 2023, 11:01:42 PMQuote from: Kradan on Apr 27, 2023, 09:26:53 PMQuote from: TheBATMAN on Apr 27, 2023, 09:12:44 PMTim lebbon must also have details as I recall he said he had to alter elements of his Rage War books to fit with new lore Alien 5 was supposed to introduce.
That's the first time I've heard of this
Same here.
I remember in an avpgalaxy interview he was told he couldn't touch the engineers, so he came up with the dog alien things instead... but that dates back to his first novel Alien Out of the Shadows which pre-dates blomkamp's original Alien5 concept art post...
I also don't recall hearing anything about Lebbon, but I also haven't read the Rage War novels so maybe if something was said by him it just slipped by me?
What I
do remember, along these lines, is Blomkamp saying that he had just one detail in his treatment/script that Ridley had asked him to change because it conflicted with what Ridley was doing in the prequels. And I know that for a time, the prequels cast a long shadow over what could/couldn't be done in the EU material.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 28, 2023, 01:01:27 AMQuote from: Engineer on Apr 27, 2023, 11:01:42 PMQuote from: Kradan on Apr 27, 2023, 09:26:53 PMQuote from: TheBATMAN on Apr 27, 2023, 09:12:44 PMTim lebbon must also have details as I recall he said he had to alter elements of his Rage War books to fit with new lore Alien 5 was supposed to introduce.
That's the first time I've heard of this
Same here.
I remember in an avpgalaxy interview he was told he couldn't touch the engineers, so he came up with the dog alien things instead... but that dates back to his first novel Alien Out of the Shadows which pre-dates blomkamp's original Alien5 concept art post...
I also don't recall hearing anything about Lebbon, but I also haven't read the Rage War novels so maybe if something was said by him it just slipped by me?
What I do remember, along these lines, is Blomkamp saying that he had just one detail in his treatment/script that Ridley had asked him to change because it conflicted with what Ridley was doing in the prequels. And I know that for a time, the prequels cast a long shadow over what could/couldn't be done in the EU material.
Yea Tristan jones had to make some changes in "defiance extra vehicular" at ridley Scott's request (directly from Scott too). And I remember big changes in fire and stone Happened as well.
They've been perfecting technology to de-age actors, so they'll likely be able to do more in the near future, like just using an actor's likeness and voice to create computerized characters (with actors or estates paid licenses, of course). And beyond bluescreen and virtual sets, they'll likely be able to computer everything else, as well.
Given that, the problems won't be opportunities missed but the ff:
What new stories can they tell? At some point they'll end up like Walking Dead, Star Wars, Star Trek, Mad Max, and even Indiana Jones and more, i.e., with the same set of storylines but other characters, and generally melodrama (likely targetting the PG sweet spot) with action scenes but the same set of skins from the franchise.
Viewers will be saturated with same ole and will grow increasingly bored as producers try to milk franchises for what they've got. Probably hardcore fans and new viewers won't mind, but there won't be enough of them given so many new offerings per franchise plus franchises competing with each other.
With what I know I'll just say bullet well and truly dodged.
Yup
Lebbon's quote was from his interview with AVPG for Predator Incursion.
AvPGalaxy – You made a comment about having to rework some aspects of the book in light of Neill Blomkamp's Alien sequel. What exactly changed as a result of his announcement?
Tim Lebbon – I can't really say, as I was given a run-down of the proposed Alien 5 storyline and how it might affect my trilogy. If I revealed anything, they'd have to kill me.
Huh
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 28, 2023, 12:47:15 AMDo it as an animated feature.
Blompkamp has been doing full cg shorts as of late for Off the Grid. Use the Love Death Robots style.... full performance capture.
As an animation it'll be more easily understood as a piece that is "outside" the main continuity.
Something like this?
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Apr 28, 2023, 07:08:51 AMLebbon's quote was from his interview with AVPG for Predator Incursion.
AvPGalaxy – You made a comment about having to rework some aspects of the book in light of Neill Blomkamp's Alien sequel. What exactly changed as a result of his announcement?
Tim Lebbon – I can't really say, as I was given a run-down of the proposed Alien 5 storyline and how it might affect my trilogy. If I revealed anything, they'd have to kill me.
I must have missed this interview... thanks for sharing
Chances are the Blomkamp film could've good, it could've bad but we never got that film, people had the sorry it hitches the timeline but that's already happened with Alien vs Predator and Prometheus contradicting each other. It looks impossible will see Alien 5 following Alien Resurrection, not 100% unlikely but very slim. Would be been nice to see Ripley one last but it doesn't look that way anytime soon.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Apr 28, 2023, 02:45:07 PMChances are the Blomkamp film could've good, it could've bad but we never got that film, people had the sorry it hitches the timeline but that's already happened with Alien vs Predator and Prometheus contradicting each other. It looks impossible will see Alien 5 following Alien Resurrection, not 100% unlikely but very slim. Would be been nice to see Ripley one last but it doesn't look that way anytime soon.
Alien vs predator is a spinn off movie, has nothing to do with the alien lore. ;)
Well by how fast AI is developing and we seen in star wars: Making alien 5 with Ripley and Hicks wont be hard, just deep fake them like how disney did with leia, luke, tarkin and thrawn etc.
Quote from: TC on Apr 28, 2023, 12:38:23 PMQuote from: skhellter on Apr 28, 2023, 12:47:15 AMDo it as an animated feature.
Blompkamp has been doing full cg shorts as of late for Off the Grid. Use the Love Death Robots style.... full performance capture.
As an animation it'll be more easily understood as a piece that is "outside" the main continuity.
Something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUARMF9cf04
no. like the cg episodes in https://youtu.be/wUFwunMKa4E
I really would like to see a alien 5 even if it doesn't star sigourney weaver.
As much as I love sigourney weaver I'm not sure I'd want to see her reprise her role. Alien and Aliens are classics nothing will change that. Let someone one else carry the torch. But please for godsakes let it not be a Ripley clone. I don't want to see a girl in a tank top with a Flame thrower. It would just remind me that I could be watching a better movie with a better cast. Let the main protagonist be something completely different. I'd love to see the next alien film pull a Prey and flip the gender roles as the main character. It would work to its benefit.
That would be one way of looking at it however Alien Vs Predator feature Weyland Industries the precursor to the company and Charles Bishop Weyland the man who was the model for Bishop linking Alien Vs Predator to the Alien films, some may dismiss the event of this films as what if.
Dunno if events of later Alien films will be explored or if Disney/Fox will just stick to standalone entries.
https://roguereviewer.wordpress.com/2020/10/12/defining-canon-in-an-alien-world/
A dagger to the heart. Hard to,forgive Ridley for denying this opportunity :'(
Good I don't need to see a grandma ripley. I will remember her as the young sexy warrior of the first 2 films
Quote from: skhellter on Apr 28, 2023, 10:02:24 PMQuote from: TC on Apr 28, 2023, 12:38:23 PMQuote from: skhellter on Apr 28, 2023, 12:47:15 AMDo it as an animated feature.
Blompkamp has been doing full cg shorts as of late for Off the Grid. Use the Love Death Robots style.... full performance capture.
As an animation it'll be more easily understood as a piece that is "outside" the main continuity.
Something like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUARMF9cf04
no. like the cg episodes in https://youtu.be/wUFwunMKa4E
Yeah, that's some quality stuff.
And I agree with you about animation helping to guide the audience's understanding of the alt-universe nature of a story. Resident Evil has been doing this for years to separate the films from the Japanese anime, and the anime from the games.
TC
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@Mike's Monsters @Corporal Hicks Divluge what you know so I can stop seeing shit like this:
I can't say anything unfortunately, unless the individuals who I was speaking to that were involved with the project comes out and shares it themselves.
Fox probably is going to be very tight lipped on the project, and don't want any info coming out for a while. One personal example I've mentioned before is that I photographed the maquette ADI made of the big chap that Blomkamp gifted to Joe Rogan after his appearance on JR's podcast. Joe shared photos of it, but I cannot publicly share my photographs. We've all seen the thing, but I can't share. It's all silly.
But I do admit, it is very entertaining listening to these theories that people pull out of their asses. Just sucks that it gets them so many views with all the false information and some take it all as fact.
Even the reasoning why the film was canned hasn't been fully spoken about with all the details, only elaborated on. There's a lot there that people don't know or won't even want to accept if the info comes out (One being the messy script, many just don't want to admit that could be a possibility because they want Ripley, Hicks and Newt back). So many politics involved.
I know just asked in jest, I would never ask anyone personally to jeopardize their connections and reputation.
It would be just so awful if someone just posted it anonymously somewhere with a Virtual Private Network. That way no one can be held accountable. The rapscallions!
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 30, 2023, 07:42:06 PMI know just asked in jest, I would never ask anyone personally to jeopardize their connections and reputation.
It would be just so awful if someone just posted it anonymously somewhere with a Virtual Private Network. That way no one can be held accountable. The rapscallions!
Trust me, it drives me crazy not being able to say anything about what I've seen or know. It's a whole different vibe being on the other side.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 30, 2023, 07:30:20 PMI can't say anything unfortunately, unless the individuals who I was speaking to that were involved with the project comes out and shares it themselves.
Fox probably is going to be very tight lipped on the project, and don't want any info coming out for a while. One personal example I've mentioned before is that I photographed the maquette ADI made of the big chap that Blomkamp gifted to Joe Rogan after his appearance on JR's podcast. Joe shared photos of it, but I cannot publicly share my photographs. We've all seen the thing, but I can't share. It's all silly.
But I do admit, it is very entertaining listening to these theories that people pull out of their asses. Just sucks that it gets them so many views with all the false information and some take it all as fact.
Even the reasoning why the film was canned hasn't been fully spoken about with all the details, only elaborated on. There's a lot there that people don't know or won't even want to accept if the info comes out (One being the messy script, many just don't want to admit that could be a possibility because they want Ripley, Hicks and Newt back). So many politics involved.
Perhaps you and Hicks should in the more distant future try and get Blomkamp to sit down for a lenghty interview about this. Film it all and create a "Jodorowsky's Dune" type documentary. You guys could even make a lot of money from it.
"I didn't watch Aliens. But I have a friend who say me it was fantastic."
Outside of AVPGalaxy there seem to be more people upset cos that Neill Blomkamp's project was never made. Of course here it is rather the opposite 😅
I've heard some things about blomkamp's film too. I've heard it from two independent sources about 6 months apart, and the info they both gave me matches one another. I won't say a word about what I've heard; I've promised not to as well, and I'm not going to jeopardize anyone's trust in me. But I can say that while I was never onboard with blomkamp's film in the first place, based on what I have heard, we really really really dodged a bullet!! I'm dying for someone to spill the beans so everyone will see how bad an idea it was so they'll all get over it lol
@Kradan She was hot in aliens man, that sweaty look with curly hair. I loved it as a kid, still do 🤭
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 27, 2023, 05:27:11 PMYou and I definitely played a different 'Alien Isolation' - the one I played was completely loyal to the aesthetic of the first movie, perfectly maintaining the cassette-futurism look. There was nothing, not even remotely in line with that in the concept art presented. What was shown was massive open spaces, crisp clean sterile environments, soldiers that looked like your generic post-2000's sci-fi movie cliches with zero design elements carried from any Alien movie.
little clarification on the timeline here:
Alien 5 was in development back in 2015 - most of the concept art that was leaked was made around that period.... before Alien Isolation dropped in 2016
Playing Alien Isolation gave Blomkamp the idea that maybe.. he ought to rethink his aesthetics.
And he probably would've done that.
Quote from: Mike's Monsters on Apr 30, 2023, 07:48:14 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Apr 30, 2023, 07:42:06 PMI know just asked in jest, I would never ask anyone personally to jeopardize their connections and reputation.
It would be just so awful if someone just posted it anonymously somewhere with a Virtual Private Network. That way no one can be held accountable. The rapscallions!
Trust me, it drives me crazy not being able to say anything about what I've seen or know. It's a whole different vibe being on the other side.
It's the cross we chose to bear, well the cross chose me actually and the connections came rolling in. 😂
Quote from: skhellter on May 01, 2023, 12:53:27 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Apr 27, 2023, 05:27:11 PMYou and I definitely played a different 'Alien Isolation' - the one I played was completely loyal to the aesthetic of the first movie, perfectly maintaining the cassette-futurism look. There was nothing, not even remotely in line with that in the concept art presented. What was shown was massive open spaces, crisp clean sterile environments, soldiers that looked like your generic post-2000's sci-fi movie cliches with zero design elements carried from any Alien movie.
little clarification on the timeline here:
Alien 5 was in development back in 2015 - most of the concept art that was leaked was made around that period.... before Alien Isolation dropped in 2016
Playing Alien Isolation gave Blomkamp the idea that maybe.. he ought to rethink his aesthetics.
And he probably would've done that.
Alien Isolation dropped in 2014.
October 6th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien:_Isolation
.....
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When one note is off..
it eventually destroys the whole symphony.
:o
I know, difficult to believe it is that long ago.
i'm also sure that David Twohy directed the 3rd film..
ok time to get some repairs.
malfunctioning.
Quote from: skhellter on May 01, 2023, 01:41:54 PMi'm also sure that David Twohy directed the 3rd film..
(https://media.tenor.com/2u3z7Pj29kUAAAAC/the-chronicles-of-riddick-riddick.gif)
Quote from: skhellter on May 01, 2023, 01:41:54 PMi'm also sure that David Twohy directed the 3rd film..
The most impressive thing about that film is almost zero studio interference
Quote from: Kradan on May 01, 2023, 02:07:41 PMQuote from: skhellter on May 01, 2023, 01:41:54 PMi'm also sure that David Twohy directed the 3rd film..
The most impressive thing about that film is almost zero studio interference
exactly like how i remember it. a great time in alien history. no notes.
Probably the best script of the first three, shame about the kinda flat acting, cinematography, score and art direction though.
early vin diesel role, tho..
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 01, 2023, 04:56:02 PMProbably the best script of the first three, shame about the kinda flat acting, cinematography, score and art direction though.
Disagree. Danny Elfman score kicked serious ass
wrong.
Graeme Revell score..
https://youtu.be/CTM_5suY9wg?t=42
Even though the "ship has sailed", I would not rule out her return in some kind of "Alien: Isolation type" cameo or voiceover role in another Alien project.
Considering they got the rest of the cast, apart from Ian Holm, I am perfectly happy with Alien Isolation being the last time she plays Ripley.
For voiceovers, they can also hire the one who did Ripley's (and others') voice in Out of the Shadows. You can hear a sample here:
https://www.audible.com/pd/Alien-Out-of-the-Shadows-Podcast/B08GC2361R
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Alien:_Out_of_the_Shadows_(audio_drama)
Eventually, with that plus AI, licensing, and computer-generated images, video, and audio, I think no ship will have to sail.
I mean yeah it will have, as an example you do not seriously consider Grand Moff Tarkin in Rogue One a Peter Cushing performance do you?
For the actor maybe but like he said and I said earlier: We have seen disney using AI to have characters from the past in the new star wars movies.
Leia in rouge one, grand tarkin, thrawn is rumored to be AI in the new upcoming tv series, Darth vaders voice is now pure AI made, Luke in the mandalorian is a AI character etc.
I wouldnt be surprised if Disney in the future will use AI even further in making star wars movies and might do with alien franchise, so a sequel to Aliens with Newt, Hicks, and Ripley could easily be done with AI, voices even easier to recreate with AI.
No thank you.
That's abominable to me.
Dont see star wars fans complaining in the mandalorian rather fan gasming over seeing young luke skywalker on the screen, although its AI done, not mark hamill:
https://twitter.com/Kable_10/status/1488804177463726082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1488804177463726082%7Ctwgr%5Ef46a3a47a9e55a6e159b4eb921f6b335bb9ccb05%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.esquire.com%2Fentertainment%2Ftv%2Fa38971109%2Fcgi-luke-skywalker-mandalorian-book-of-boba-fett%2F
No matter if one like it or not, AI will be used to recreate humans to act in movies as younger selfs, or bringing back characters who the original actor dont live anymore. See disney and warner bros doing it and we are just in the start of the AI era.
I don't give a shit.
no thanks.
Luke looks like a soulless husk in Mando.
awful.
Sorry then for expressing my guess and fear for what we will see in the future with ever improving CGI and AI combo to bring characters to life on the screen and the whole industry is heading, but getting rude pm´s and comments for it....OK.
I hate Disney
Tarkin, Leia and Luke aren't AI.
Quote from: SiL on May 04, 2023, 03:23:06 AMTarkin, Leia and Luke aren't AI.
I've heard Luke's voice was synthesized using an AI system. I think that's what they're talking about... but I haven't looked into it myself to see if it's true...
Edit: I should specify, Luke's voice in The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett.
Luke and Vader were both voiced by Respeecher.
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/james-earl-jones-signed-darth-vader-voice-rights-to-disney-for-ai-use/
One may not like it but recreating actors' likenesses with CGI and their voices with AI is clearly where things are heading towards
Quote from: Kradan on May 04, 2023, 05:10:07 AMOne may not like it but recreating actors' likenesses with CGI and their voices with AI is clearly where things are heading towards
Maybe one day we'll get a proper sequel to Aliens with AI-voiced deepfakes of young Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn and Carrie Henn.
In 10-15 years "We're using actual actors!" will become new "We're using practical effects!"
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 04, 2023, 05:13:16 AMMaybe one day we'll get a proper sequel to Aliens with AI-voiced deepfakes of young Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn and Carrie Henn.
Bishop or bust
"Art without the artist and other horrors from the machine."
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 04, 2023, 05:13:16 AMQuote from: Kradan on May 04, 2023, 05:10:07 AMOne may not like it but recreating actors' likenesses with CGI and their voices with AI is clearly where things are heading towards
Maybe one day we'll get a proper sequel to Aliens with AI-voiced deepfakes of young Sigourney Weaver, Michael Biehn and Carrie Henn.
There was a proper sequel to Aliens, everyone died, Ripley sacrificed herself to take out the Queen. The story ended.
Agree. And it's a great sequel
But it upset people! >:(
So did the film before it...
This is really regrettable. But never say never.
Neill and Walter Hill can with Ripley in anime ( high level video game Alien dark descent trailer ) , Ripley present in audiobook also 😉
a animated movie level similar to here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT82BZJSY7w&t=2s
there is still hope without her playing in physically ,
Neill and Walter can still do their alien with Ripley (not to mention that she is present in the Alien audiobook stories) with a high level animation like this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT82BZJSY7w&t=2s
there are now 3 (count them). 3 whole people clamoring for a CGI alien 5 movie. (present poster included).
This army shall rise.
One day there might be a half dozen, even.
On a serious note: What interests me about this project isn't really the fanbait of "oh everyone's Back!"
We've already had that.
There are several adaptations of Gibson's script where the characters are all alive.
The real interest is that visual of Ripley with the suicide bomber vest. That's some First Reformed type shit.
Extremist Ripley who is old and so angry at the Company that she's willing to go that far to take them on? That's a compelling take to me.
All the mutant stuff is fun in a pulpy way too, but this is the main draw to me.
I like your idea of taking on the company. She has lost so many to their quest for it.
Quote from: skhellter on May 07, 2023, 12:07:51 PMthere are now 3 (count them). 3 whole people clamoring for a CGI alien 5 movie. (present poster included).
This army shall rise.
One day there might be a half dozen, even.
On a serious note: What interests me about this project isn't really the fanbait of "oh everyone's Back!"
We've already had that.
There are several adaptations of Gibson's script where the characters are all alive.
The real interest is that visual of Ripley with the suicide bomber vest. That's some First Reformed type shit.
Extremist Ripley who is old and so angry at the Company that she's willing to go that far to take them on? That's a compelling take to me.
All the mutant stuff is fun in a pulpy way too, but this is the main draw to me.
CGI? No. Animation? Maybe!
Quote from: skhellter on May 07, 2023, 12:07:51 PMthere are now 3 (count them). 3 whole people clamoring for a CGI alien 5 movie. (present poster included).
This army shall rise.
One day there might be a half dozen, even.
On a serious note: What interests me about this project isn't really the fanbait of "oh everyone's Back!"
We've already had that.
There are several adaptations of Gibson's script where the characters are all alive.
The real interest is that visual of Ripley with the suicide bomber vest. That's some First Reformed type shit.
Extremist Ripley who is old and so angry at the Company that she's willing to go that far to take them on? That's a compelling take to me.
All the mutant stuff is fun in a pulpy way too, but this is the main draw to me.
They should de-age and AI voice Michael Biehn, Sigourney Weaver, Lance Hendriksen and Carrie Henn. Then they can all wear suicide bomber vests and blow up the company.
That's the REAL Alien 3.
Ripley going full terrorist against WY makes less sense as a sequel to Aliens than, say, if the company survived into Resurrection.
Like, the whole thing with Burke was that he was acting alone and the company did actually kind of need to toe the line of some interplanetary laws. They weren't all powerful. And since the marine loss was a military one, not corporate, and Burke's activities would probably be in the Sulaco logs, I don't see what more she actually needed to do to make their life hell.
What's the general consensus around here regarding the novelisation of William Gibson's Alien 3? I know Hicks gave it a good review, just wondering what the rest of the community thinks?
just to underline, explore where i'm coming from here:
- newt was more interesting as a corpse.
- fincher's movie is wonderful
- engineers were a bad idea
- david is really neat and covenant is pretty fun.
- Ripley as a character is at her best when she's pushed to her limit.
- Weaver already did one attempt at a comeback, no harm in doing one more.
Franchises, in hollywood, never really end.
God knows Alien 3 was an attempt at that.. It didn't really stick as such. The sequels keep on coming.
But wouldn't it be neat, if there was an actual attempt at an "alternate ending" that would probably get to "stick" due to it being in an alternate timeline...
..without all that engineer nonsense?
Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2023, 10:39:03 AMWhat's the general consensus around here regarding the novelisation of William Gibson's Alien 3? I know Hicks gave it a good review, just wondering what the rest of the community thinks?
Very messy but fun. Kinda turns Hicks into a Carpenter style protagonist "very angry man with few words to say and lots to do".
Quote from: SiL on May 08, 2023, 10:17:50 AMRipley going full terrorist against WY makes less sense as a sequel to Aliens than, say, if the company survived into Resurrection.
Like, the whole thing with Burke was that he was acting alone and the company did actually kind of need to toe the line of some interplanetary laws. They weren't all powerful. And since the marine loss was a military one, not corporate, and Burke's activities would probably be in the Sulaco logs, I don't see what more she actually needed to do to make their life hell.
And frankly, one suicide bomber's not how you overthrow an oppressive regime, nor's exposing their crimes.
Most likely even if you did and somehow it affected their public relations that much it made their name shunned, another would rise up and take their place, as we see in Alien Resurrection.
Most of the most powerful institutions and the large companies that exist today are deeply corrupt, the real only way you stop them from existing's by destroying the infrastructure that allows them to exist in the first place, that's extremely difficult to portray with any authenticity and not a ton of naivety in film.
Quote from: skhellter on May 08, 2023, 10:44:04 AMjust to underline, explore where i'm coming from here:
- newt was more interesting as a corpse.
- fincher's movie is wonderful
- engineers were a bad idea
- david is really neat and covenant is pretty fun.
- Ripley as a character is at her best when she's pushed to her limit.
- Weaver already did one attempt at a comeback, no harm in doing one more.
Franchises, in hollywood, never really end.
God knows Alien 3 was an attempt at that.. It didn't really stick as such. The sequels keep on coming.
But wouldn't it be neat, if there was an actual attempt at an "alternate ending" that would probably get to "stick" due to it being in an alternate timeline...
..without all that engineer nonsense?
Quote from: T Dog on May 08, 2023, 10:39:03 AMWhat's the general consensus around here regarding the novelisation of William Gibson's Alien 3? I know Hicks gave it a good review, just wondering what the rest of the community thinks?
Very messy but fun. Kinda turns Hicks into a Carpenter style protagonist "very angry man with few words to say and lots to do".
Seeing engineers get doused in black cleansing lotion was pretty cool. Apparently the lotion does whatever the writer wants though, such as manifesting cupcakes with sprinkles and conjuring toasters. Fiendishly inventive. 🧁
Quote from: skhellter on May 08, 2023, 10:44:04 AMFranchises, in hollywood, never really end.
God knows Alien 3 was an attempt at that.. It didn't really stick as such. The sequels keep on coming.
But wouldn't it be neat, if there was an actual attempt at an "alternate ending" that would probably get to "stick" due to it being in an alternate timeline...
..without all that engineer nonsense?
This felt appropriate to post
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on May 08, 2023, 01:47:14 PMAnd frankly, one suicide bomber's not how you overthrow an oppressive regime, nor's exposing their crimes.
yes.
People in despair making profoundly naive choices is a wonderful fuel for drama. Always has been.
I guess, I just want to expect something a bit more truthful from Alien.
CGI's inevitable, together with virtual sets. After that will come using AI to make the CGI and audio using samples of actors' likeness, voice, and mannerism.
Is Gibson's novel similar to the screenplay? I heard the audio drama version and it was OK. All the while, I was imagining something like Blade Runner in space, e.g., all protagonists surviving and finding themselves in a large space city populated by various groups, with eggs secretly collected from the craft by covert groups working with company officials, etc.
Maybe they can do something like that in mini-series form. That could also give a lot of room for more characters and some world-building.
Hello, I found this story breakdown for Blomkamp's Alien 5 film.
I'm curious if anyone knows if it's fairly on target or fan fiction based off of the concept art. Breakdown below:
The company got the derelict or a similar and transported to a huge colony for research. In our atmosphere it started to decay with the biogrowth possibly infecting the colony structure. Ripley hears about it from a thoroughly estranged and PTSD riddled Hicks and they put their differences aside.
Some eggs are found onboard and an infestation starts with traditional aliens and a queen.
Ripley informs an adult Newt and joins Hicks and a few mercenaries to get aboard the colony and fight a now dwindling set of mercenaries hired by Wetland Yutani.
Ripley finds the mole that informed her/Hicks encased and dead. We meet the combat android or lead scientist that is an android. He's pretty intense and singular in his vision to keep and develop the alien as a weapon.
A second outbreak of mutated experiments or different cargo on the derelict starts.
Lots of fights. Hicks is infected and quarantines himself and gets ready to destroy the station or communications or similar. Ripley finds the biosuite that the android gloats about and realises that she too must pilot the derelict away to destroy it.
If Newt was there she servives with both her parental figures gone or she is seen hearing about it knowing earth is safe but without her adoptive family.
I don't know the real details but I too have heard this outline and was told it's a fake.
Yeah, that all sounds like a pretty safe sequence of events that anyone online could string together using the concept art pieces that we have seen, but I'd imagine that some of those concept pieces must have evolved/developed beyond what we've seen to date and the finished script (or treatment or whatever it was) probably isn't so literally going through the motions of what we have access to (not to mention, there's likely a ton of concept art that exists that we haven't seen, but this synopsis only alludes strictly to what we have).
the way Earth is depicted in concept art for this looks pretty similar to how Earth was depicted in Gareth Edwards The Creator.
and btw that movie is pretty incredible. Go watch it.
Quote from: Elgin's Bad Luck on Nov 29, 2023, 02:55:08 AMHello, I found this story breakdown for Blomkamp's Alien 5 film.
nah, this feels completely off. (where does the stuff about the derelict come from?)
what we can gather from concept art, stuff that Blomkamp has said about elements in the story:
- Hicks and Ripley plot a break in into a secret WY research facility, hacking a WY synthetic to help them get in.
- The facility is a space station above Earth - the Montero.
- To get into the space station they use a space lift located in a high seas facility. (you can see the cables for the elevator connecting both facilities in concept art)
- The Montero houses a derelict engineer ship (from LV426?).
- The Aliens are being mutated and researched there. The mutated Eggs at the facility now don't produce "facehuggers" they produce a snake-like creature that penetrates humans and produces tons of miniature facehuggers. The main aliens that result from these have multiple arms like the Queen.
- Ripley's "invasion" results in the aliens breaking out, killing most of the staff, cocooning lots of people. The aliens establish a hive at the station.
- Ripley and Hicks have to fight the WY mercenaries protecting the facility and escape from the alien hive.
- Ripley has to get into a prototype biomech powersuit built from alien queen remains to fight the main alien queen in the facility.
- inevitably Ripley and Hicks' actions result in the space station and the main WY facility on earth catching fire.
lots of missing elements of course but the many pieces out there let you get a good overview of the main story and flow.
So it was confirmed to be the same derelict from LV-426 then?
where else could it be from?
the Hadley's hope explosion was probably a long way off from the derelict.
Yes it most likely is the same, I just wondered if it had been officially confirmed to be the case.
Nothing stops the Company from finding another and the stuff it is covered in may indicate it originated from another source.
it's also relatively intact - compared to how it was in aliens special edition
added a (?) to the tentative outline.