Edit: Links for the scans can be found here:
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I just thought I'd share some interesting points from the preview. If I'm just repeating information you already know then please close this thread.
Melee Attacks
"Melee attacks fall into a rock, paper, scissors style arrangement: your heavy attacks will break a block, a light attack can counter a slower heavy attack, and a well-timed block can stop a light attack in its tracks. Training yourself to recognise the animations, we're promised, will be key to winning fisticuffs, though here the Marine is at a disadvantage, as he can't use heavy attacks. Instead his penchant for ranged attacks redresses the balance".
Marine Finishing Move
"Marines can block Alien lunges and counter with their own one-hit hill - a balls of steel neck-grab followed by a body slam and a few well-placed rounds to the skull."
Multiplayer Modes
Survivor - "Survivor pits marines against waves of aliens"
Infestation - "Sees a squad of marines fighting a small contingent of player-controlled aliens in a match where, once killed, marine players are resurrected as part of the alien team. Once the marines are whittled down to a single plucky soldier, that player's given a huge cache of weapons with which to make his last stand"
Predator Hunt - "Here, just one player is permitted to step into the skin of the master hunter, and must string together as many brutal murders as possible before he's stredded to bits by miniguns. Once that happens, control of the predator is handed over to whoever finally swatted him"
I just thought I'd point out a couple of niggles that PCZ noticed. They mention that the animations look a little rigid. They are also concerned with whether it will balance, but at the moment they say it's difficult to gauge. On a plus note, they say playing each race feels truly powerful!
Quote from: Rimski on Nov 20, 2009, 12:37:16 PM
Marine Finishing Move
"Marines can block Alien lunges and counter with their own one-hit hill - a balls of steel neck-grab followed by a body slam and a few well-placed rounds to the skull."
Wait. What? A marine chokeslams an alien? Umm...
*facepalm
Seriously, chokeslam? What the hell? I want to suplex those mother****ers!
I mean, at least a suplex would have you BEHIND the things mouth. and away from claws.
"Hey yall, See that there black lizardy thing? Yah the one with them pointy teeth. Watch I'ma go 'rassle it."
What did you expected, harsh language? :)
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: Rimski on Nov 20, 2009, 12:37:16 PM
Marine Finishing Move
"Marines can block Alien lunges and counter with their own one-hit hill - a balls of steel neck-grab followed by a body slam and a few well-placed rounds to the skull."
Wait. What? A marine chokeslams an alien? Umm...
*facepalm
Facepalm isn't a strong enough word for this... :(
Asspalm ;D
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: Rimski on Nov 20, 2009, 12:37:16 PM
Marine Finishing Move
"Marines can block Alien lunges and counter with their own one-hit hill - a balls of steel neck-grab followed by a body slam and a few well-placed rounds to the skull."
Wait. What? A marine chokeslams an alien? Umm...
*facepalm
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg42.imageshack.us%2Fimg42%2F4700%2Falbertp.jpg&hash=64182689036861867fa2c83d4cade51bc671832f)
Are they actually serious with the Marine finisher part?
Would make a great motivation picture.
*Marine chokeslams an alien*
Why dont we just wait and see if its really bad thing ? You know guys, we didnt seen the thing yet, and in the end it may be a cool stuff.
Quote from: yaji on Nov 20, 2009, 04:29:54 PM
Why dont we just wait and see if its really bad thing ? You know guys, we didnt seen the thing yet, and in the end it may be a cool stuff.
what he said..
Im not saying anything until i see it for my self.
It may look cool, but it would still be dumb. I hope it'll actually look different than described. Also, blocking a lunge? Shouldn't a lunge count as a heavy hit and be unblockable? Unless they talk about the finisher that would follow after a lunge.
Sure... a marine choke slamming an alien is cool but it's retarded.
I think there SHOULD be a huge penalty for an alien or predator failing to pull off an execution, but it shouldn't be a choke slam. It would work just as well if it were a "Kick you off of me and blow your head off" animation. Same end result, much less retarded.
I havent seen it on the actual mp gameplay...so i will wait.
Guys lets put the criticism on hold till we see some footage that reveals this move :/ maybe it won't be so bad.
A balanced game, is a balanced game.
I'll reserve judgement until I see what it looks like. Though, to be fair, it does sound like the Alien got a raw deal.
So is like when we first heard about the incredibly stupid Predalien reproduction and said it sounded incredibly stupid but were told to wait and see what it looks like and then when we saw it it looked incredibly stupid because it was, in fact, an incredibly stupid idea?
:-X
Quote from: DB on Nov 20, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
So is like when we first heard about the incredibly stupid Predalien reproduction and said it sounded incredibly stupid but were told to wait and see what it looks like and then when we saw it it looked incredibly stupid because it was, in fact, an incredibly stupid idea?
:-X
This
They should change the MP section of the game for "Cry-Online"
Last time when i checked, the predalien was just awesome, did i missed something ?
Quote from: Inferno on Nov 20, 2009, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: DB on Nov 20, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
So is like when we first heard about the incredibly stupid Predalien reproduction and said it sounded incredibly stupid but were told to wait and see what it looks like and then when we saw it it looked incredibly stupid because it was, in fact, an incredibly stupid idea?
:-X
This
Well, yeah, to be honest I have little faith in it turning out well.
BUT, theoretically, an adrenaline-powered Marine frenzy with lunging and grabbing and pushing (not so much a slam per se) could,
could, work
I'm gonna complain to Rebellion and SEGA that a lot of children are whining about their game without any proof to back their assumptions and make them into real facts >:(
Yeah, it's not like the game is getting previewed or anything.
Quote from: Eldritch on Nov 20, 2009, 05:31:54 PM
I'm gonna complain to Rebellion and SEGA that a lot of children are whining about their game without any proof to back their assumptions and make them into real facts >:(
You do that.
Quote from: yaji on Nov 20, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
Last time when i checked, the predalien was just awesome, did i missed something ?
Say what now?
Quote from: yaji on Nov 20, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
Last time when i checked, the predalien was just awesome, did i missed something ?
I think you got yer predalien confused with something else there friendo.
And yeah, this marine thing sounds incredibly stupid and unrealistic.
Oh boy..
The way it should be: Alien vs. Marine in melee = Marine dead. Always.
The most I'd accept is if the Marine manages to kick the Alien off of him in some adrenaline fueled moment, but that's it.
ya jesus people stop bitching over one small little thing
Quote from: dallevalle on Nov 20, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
ya jesus people stop bitching over one small little thing
IF it is like the review described it's not just a little thing.
They probably realized that marines are underpowered and they want to balance. Motion tracked can make difference between aliens/preds, sniper rifle that can detect preds and now thins.
Quote from: Brother on Nov 20, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: dallevalle on Nov 20, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
ya jesus people stop bitching over one small little thing
IF it is like the review described it's not just a little thing.
They probably realized that marines are underpowered and they want to balance. Motion tracked can make difference between aliens/preds, sniper rifle that can detect preds and now thins.
Yeah, and some preview news (Kotaku) said dedicated servers are out...just wait for some gameplay or Rebellion confirmation. Also they are changing a lot of things, chubby pred fingers, strange wristblades etc...
Quote"Marines can block Alien lunges and counter with their own one-hit hill - a balls of steel neck-grab followed by a body slam and a few well-placed rounds to the skull."
What...the...fvck...
maybe it's more like the marine side steps and in one motion uses the aliens own momentum to throw him to the ground. so that it's not like he just over power the alien. to be fare these marines aren't the marines in aliens. they are trained to fight aliens better. now if he does this to a pred i will be mad. but i don't think this will be as bad as people are imagining.
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 20, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Brother on Nov 20, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: dallevalle on Nov 20, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
ya jesus people stop bitching over one small little thing
IF it is like the review described it's not just a little thing.
They probably realized that marines are underpowered and they want to balance. Motion tracked can make difference between aliens/preds, sniper rifle that can detect preds and now thins.
Yeah, and some preview news (Kotaku) said dedicated servers are out...just wait for some gameplay or Rebellion confirmation. Also they are changing a lot of things, chubby pred fingers, strange wristblades etc...
Kotaku never said they were out. Kotaku said it wasn't looking promising.
Oh you guys, its not like the marine will torn to shreds alien with his bare hands. He will SHOT IT IN THE HEAD.
Quote from: yaji on Nov 20, 2009, 09:42:09 PM
Oh you guys, its not like the marine will torn to shreds alien with his bare hands. He will SHOT IT IN THE HEAD.
AFTER he choke slams it. That's the problem.
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 20, 2009, 09:16:58 PM
Quote from: Brother on Nov 20, 2009, 08:47:19 PM
Quote from: dallevalle on Nov 20, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
ya jesus people stop bitching over one small little thing
IF it is like the review described it's not just a little thing.
They probably realized that marines are underpowered and they want to balance. Motion tracked can make difference between aliens/preds, sniper rifle that can detect preds and now thins.
Yeah, and some preview news (Kotaku) said dedicated servers are out...just wait for some gameplay or Rebellion confirmation. Also they are changing a lot of things, chubby pred fingers, strange wristblades etc...
Kotaku never said they were out. Kotaku said it wasn't looking promising.
http://kotaku.com/5391324/dedicated-servers-not-likely-for-aliens-vs-predator-either
Last part of the article:
Given three opportunities to talk about it, we'll take that as a "no."Classic preview media BS, **if they dont answer my question rigth now, i will dont give a dam about the truth"
I will wait until confirmation, or some gameplay.
i don't think it's that unbelievable that 250 lb marine can choke slam a 300 lb alien while adrenalin is pumping hard.
And of course an Alien with the strength to dent and eventually break steel doors, lets a human do that to it.
Everyone always thinks avoiding a question means the answer is the opposite of what you want to hear.
However, it's pretty hard to interpret any sort of in game action as chokeslamming an alien unless the marine was infact choking slamming an alien. That's some pretty obvious stuff that's not really left to interpretation.
And well, yes... it is pretty unbelievable. Not only are we talking about a marine carrying all of his equipment and picking up an alien with one hand (the gun being in the other hand), We're talking about picking up a creature with one hand that has a tail that can drive straight through or puncture your forehead with a phallic symbol and tear you to pieces.
Would a 200 lb marine be able to pick up a cheetah by the neck with one arm and live to tell the tale? Highly doubtful. And cheetahs don't really compare to aliens.
I suggested a realism mode for multiplayer rules, but noooo, you people prefer Balance. ::)
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
Everyone always thinks avoiding a question means the answer is the opposite of what you want to hear.
However, it's pretty hard to interpret any sort of in game action as chokeslamming an alien unless the marine was infact choking slamming an alien. That's some pretty obvious stuff that's not really left to interpretation.
And well, yes... it is pretty unbelievable. Not only are we talking about a marine carrying all of his equipment and picking up an alien with one hand (the gun being in the other hand), We're talking about picking up a creature with one hand that has a tail that can drive straight through or puncture your forehead with a phallic symbol and tear you to pieces.
Would a 200 lb marine be able to pick up a cheetah by the neck with one arm and live to tell the tale? Highly doubtful. And cheetahs don't really compare to aliens.
no he couldn't but if the alien is completely on the marine with all limbs off the ground then the marine would only have to use gravity. and post earlier
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 20, 2009, 09:36:09 PM
maybe it's more like the marine side steps and in one motion uses the aliens own momentum to throw him to the ground. so that it's not like he just over power the alien. to be fare these marines aren't the marines in aliens. they are trained to fight aliens better. now if he does this to a pred i will be mad. but i don't think this will be as bad as people are imagining.
isn't that unbelievable either.
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 20, 2009, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
Everyone always thinks avoiding a question means the answer is the opposite of what you want to hear.
However, it's pretty hard to interpret any sort of in game action as chokeslamming an alien unless the marine was infact choking slamming an alien. That's some pretty obvious stuff that's not really left to interpretation.
And well, yes... it is pretty unbelievable. Not only are we talking about a marine carrying all of his equipment and picking up an alien with one hand (the gun being in the other hand), We're talking about picking up a creature with one hand that has a tail that can drive straight through or puncture your forehead with a phallic symbol and tear you to pieces.
Would a 200 lb marine be able to pick up a cheetah by the neck with one arm and live to tell the tale? Highly doubtful. And cheetahs don't really compare to aliens.
no he couldn't but if the alien is completely on the marine with all limbs off the ground then the marine would only have to use gravity. and post earlier
Um... if the alien is completely on top of the marine, gravity is working AGAINST the marine. And there is no way the marine is grabbing the alien by the throat, pushing himself of of his back (with the hand that is still holding the gun) and lifting (with one hand) the alien up off of him and then (with one hand still) slamming the alien down. No way. No how.
Quote from: affinity on Nov 20, 2009, 10:10:33 PM
I suggested a realism mode for multiplayer rules, but noooo, you people prefer Balance. ::)
Realism over balance will make the game even crappier. We do want balance, and we want it done right.
Marine bitchslappin' an alien = failed attempt to balance
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 20, 2009, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
Everyone always thinks avoiding a question means the answer is the opposite of what you want to hear.
However, it's pretty hard to interpret any sort of in game action as chokeslamming an alien unless the marine was infact choking slamming an alien. That's some pretty obvious stuff that's not really left to interpretation.
And well, yes... it is pretty unbelievable. Not only are we talking about a marine carrying all of his equipment and picking up an alien with one hand (the gun being in the other hand), We're talking about picking up a creature with one hand that has a tail that can drive straight through or puncture your forehead with a phallic symbol and tear you to pieces.
Would a 200 lb marine be able to pick up a cheetah by the neck with one arm and live to tell the tale? Highly doubtful. And cheetahs don't really compare to aliens.
no he couldn't but if the alien is completely on the marine with all limbs off the ground then the marine would only have to use gravity. and post earlierQuote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 20, 2009, 09:36:09 PM
Um... if the alien is completely on top of the marine, gravity is working AGAINST the marine. And there is no way the marine is grabbing the alien by the throat, pushing himself of of his back (with the hand that is still holding the gun) and lifting (with one hand) the alien up off of him and then (with one hand still) slamming the alien down. No way. No how.
no if the alien is on the front of him then he would be pulled forward with the aliens back to the ground, and could still be gripping his gun.
Have you ever been in a fight with someone on top of you?
Have you ever wrestled?
Have you ever pretended to wrestle around with a friend/sibling?
My guess is no. Because if you had, you would know THAT DOESN'T WORK. If someone is on top of you, it's not very easy to reverse the situation.
Now, take that tid bid of info into a grappling match between a marine, and a creature who's only means of securing hosts for it's species/killing shit is grappling.
That's like saying you (personally) would be able to stop a MMA fighter from pummeling the shit out of you if he got on top of you.
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
Have you ever been in a fight with someone on top of you?
Have you ever wrestled?
Have you ever pretended to wrestle around with a friend/sibling?
My guess is no. Because if you had, you would know THAT DOESN'T WORK. If someone is on top of you, it's not very easy to reverse the situation.
Now, take that tid bid of info into a grappling match between a marine, and a creature who's only means of securing hosts for it's species/killing shit is grappling.
That's like saying you (personally) would be able to stop a MMA fighter from pummeling the shit out of you if he got on top of you.
ok if the marine was on his back then yes he wouldn't be able to slam an alien but what i get is they are both standing. yes i watch those fights and they go forward the fighter going to his back tries to completely role back to revers it. i have also take 15 years of tie kwon do so i know what i'm talking about.
I didnt see that so...
But If that is true, omg that is fail... Marines can survive falls from 10 meters, can choke an alien, they are terminators and not humans. I want to play with humans. NORMAL HUMANS FFS.
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 20, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:32:01 PM
Have you ever been in a fight with someone on top of you?
Have you ever wrestled?
Have you ever pretended to wrestle around with a friend/sibling?
My guess is no. Because if you had, you would know THAT DOESN'T WORK. If someone is on top of you, it's not very easy to reverse the situation.
Now, take that tid bid of info into a grappling match between a marine, and a creature who's only means of securing hosts for it's species/killing shit is grappling.
That's like saying you (personally) would be able to stop a MMA fighter from pummeling the shit out of you if he got on top of you.
ok if the marine was on his back then yes he wouldn't be able to slam an alien but what i get is they are both standing. yes i watch those fights and they go forward the fighter going to his back tries to completely role back to revers it. i have also take 15 years of tie kwon do so i know what i'm talking about.
cool. so you should understand that flipping someone over against their will isn't a small feet. especially when their kicking the shit out of (or clawing/stabbing/biting/sticking their lil mouth through) you.
This actually doesn't deserve a discussion. Humans can't do shit against aliens without a weapon. End of story.
Quote from: Brother on Nov 20, 2009, 10:54:56 PM
This actually doesn't deserve a discussion. Humans can't do shit against aliens without a weapon. End of story.
that's unrealistic i think kimbo could smack an alien pretty good before dieing.
i think the issue here is everyone is imagining this completely different. when we have to see it to know. the way i imagine it it's possable. i'm not at all saying a human could beat up an alien. i know people that can bench 300+ pounds. i think they could slam an alien to the ground. yeah they would get cut up, but think they could do it. does everybody think aliens are like superman?
aliens don't weigh any more than a sumo wrestler. they can be pushed aside by humans. Heck, Vazquez was able to pin a alien against the wall with her boot.
Mr. Tae Kwon Do,
Bench Press is COMPLETELY different from picking something up. It uses a COMPLETELY different set of muscles. And frankly, those muscles are quite weak comparatively. Lay on your back and use one hand to press a 50 lb object. Now try to do that standing up and with your shoulder muscles. It's hard as f**k comparatively. Why do you think that in films whenever people pick someone up by the neck with one hand they zoom in on the fact that they've lifted the persons feet off the ground? Because it emphasizes the fact that it is hard as balls to do. And it's usually 350 pound bulked up muscle heads lifting skinny defenseless women off the ground.
@affinity
the thing was coming out of a vent and she was PUSHING with her LEG. a MUCH easier action than PULLING UPWARD with your SHOULDER. You can legpress FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more than you can curl (unless you happen to not have legs.) She also didn't hold it there for long. If she didn't shoot it, she probably would have been dead.
Vasquez was supposed to make a "badass" kill in the movie, and she was armed.
IF the marine is able to smack me, and he was unarmed, I would just use the tail and slay him from a distance.
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 11:10:12 PM
Mr. Tae Kwon Do,
Bench Press is COMPLETELY different from picking something up. It uses a COMPLETELY different set of muscles. And frankly, those muscles are quite weak comparatively. Lay on your back and use one hand to press a 50 lb object. Now try to do that standing up and with your shoulder muscles. It's hard as f**k comparatively. Why do you think that in films whenever people pick someone up by the neck with one hand they zoom in on the fact that they've lifted the persons feet off the ground? Because it emphasizes the fact that it is hard as balls to do. And it's usually 350 pound bulked up muscle heads lifting skinny defenseless women off the ground.
@affinity
the thing was coming out of a vent and she was PUSHING with her LEG. a MUCH easier action than PULLING UPWARD with your SHOULDER. You can legpress FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more than you can curl (unless you happen to not have legs.) She also didn't hold it there for long. If she didn't shoot it, she probably would have been dead.
no one said anything about picking up, it said choke slam. that's down. down, up. there is a different.
Quote from: Brother on Nov 20, 2009, 11:12:58 PM
Vasquez was supposed to make a "badass" kill in the movie, and she was armed.
IF the marine is able to smack me, and he was unarmed, I would just use the tail and slay him from a distance.
I dont think you can loose your Pulse Rifle in MP or SP, so its more like the Vasquez finished move. Anyway, it could be the one when the alien its at the top of the marine after a pounce, and the marine kick it...and then fire. The preview could be mistaken. Who knows. Its sounds too strange, to be real.
generally, to slam someone down, you have to get rid of their connection between their legs and the ground. If you are implying that the marine is actually tripping the alien thus getting even CLOSER to the thing... well... then you be outside your mind, yo. but simply "pulling down" and not lifting and then slamming... well... not only would it look retarded, but it just wouldn't work ever. not even on a human.
@ yutani, I hope that is the case. kicking it off and shooting would be much more possible.
Now I can't get the picture of a Marine performing a chokeslam on an Alien out of my head anymore. It's just too hilarious to picture.
Now we need a Piledriver finisher for the Predator.
or Sonya's (from mortal kombat) leg throw
@ 1:05 ish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqFtcltfk8
The pred's WWE kill is silly enough, ty. ;)
lol chokeslams.
well the Predator kills are awesome with the ripping heads and stuff.
I guess they gave Marine a parry ability cause otherwise they are low tier.
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 11:23:38 PM
generally, to slam someone down, you have to get rid of their connection between their legs and the ground. If you are implying that the marine is actually tripping the alien thus getting even CLOSER to the thing... well... then you be outside your mind, yo. but simply "pulling down" and not lifting and then slamming... well... not only would it look retarded, but it just wouldn't work ever. not even on a human.
@ yutani, I hope that is the case. kicking it off and shooting would be much more possible.
dude it's a video game you want real. how about when the alien grabs someones face from the back before impaleling them with the tale. they could drop down out of the grip, or role right using there leverage to get free. if they are pressed against the aliens body where is the room for the tail? or how about that pred stabs some one in the face and the head and spine come out clean, the face has no stab wounds. or how he upper cuts an alien and the front of his face gets cut off clean. i'm sure you don't agree with that because you want to believe aliens are gods compired to humans. let it go. if you don't like it don't buy it. i'm a huge star wars fan. bigger than avp, but i wont play the force unleashed because the light sabers don't cut people they make them fly backwards. if this bothers you so much don't play it. if it doesn't let it go. nothing you say here will change anything. you're just trying to make people that like it dislike it. what? if you don't like it no one can? let it go.
I have already expressed my "WTF" at the pulling heads and spines out, actually.
And I don't have an issue with the fact that the pred is uppercutting the alien in the face and it cuts the face off. It's a little odd... yes... but it does have blades and is mildly possible. The predator ripping a marines head off is also possible (not with the spine... that's just a ridiculous attempt at over gorifying things)
However, I do have an issue with a human being able to choke slam an alien. I don't have an issue with the counter being to kick the alien off and one shot kill it in the face. I do have an issue with a chokeslam... because that's just ridiculous.
we haven't seen those things in action, just the kicking part I think. We'll just have to see how that looks. Most Aliens never attack head on if they can help it anyway.
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 11:53:35 PM
I have already expressed my "WTF" at the pulling heads and spines out, actually.
And I don't have an issue with the fact that the pred is uppercutting the alien in the face and it cuts the face off. It's a little odd... yes... but it does have blades and is mildly possible. The predator ripping a marines head off is also possible (not with the spine... that's just a ridiculous attempt at over gorifying things)
However, I do have an issue with a human being able to choke slam an alien. I don't have an issue with the counter being to kick the alien off and one shot kill it in the face. I do have an issue with a chokeslam... because that's just ridiculous.
i think it's mildly possible. and that argument that he would take a tale to the chest. that means the preds would to. he picks aliens up by the neck. alien tails don't hurt them. my point if you want to over analyse this you have to over analyse everything. i think it's way more realistic than pred taking acid splash to the face and have nothing melt off, or preds jumping 20-30 feet in the air. i think that's just ridiculous.
preds jumping 20-30 feet not ridiculous. Preds picking aliens up by the neck: I (and many others) have stated their WTFery on that as well.
aliens should have a somersault slash move, where they launch across the room like a Blanka ball.
that would be sick.
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 21, 2009, 12:21:06 AM
preds jumping 20-30 feet not ridiculous. Preds picking aliens up by the neck: I (and many others) have stated their WTFery on that as well.
so preds having the strength to jump 20-30 feet in the air= not ridiculous, but preds having the strength to pick an alien up by the neck= ridiculous?
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 21, 2009, 12:38:06 AM
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 21, 2009, 12:21:06 AM
preds jumping 20-30 feet not ridiculous. Preds picking aliens up by the neck: I (and many others) have stated their WTFery on that as well.
so preds having the strength to jump 20-30 feet in the air= not ridiculous, but preds having the strength to pick an alien up by the neck= ridiculous?
Probably wanted to write "Marine" instead of "Pred". :)
either way no one said anything about picking the alien up. they said choke slam. gravity takes care of that.
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 21, 2009, 12:47:45 AM
either way no one said anything about picking the alien up. they said choke slam. gravity takes care of that.
In Soviet Space, Alien chokeslams you! :P
Quote from: Ghost Rider LSOV on Nov 21, 2009, 12:59:12 AM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 21, 2009, 12:47:45 AM
either way no one said anything about picking the alien up. they said choke slam. gravity takes care of that.
In Soviet Space, Alien chokeslams you! :P
that just made my day :D
The thing about being an Alien is that it's supposed to be better than all the others at CQB because it's the only character in the game without ranged weapons. Once an Alien is in your face, you're dead, especially if you're a Marine. The trick is to kill the Alien before it's anywhere near you.
So basically the Alien has no advantages whatsoever, because now even its melee attacks can be blocked. I guess Rebellion felt that the only character in the game without weapons and armor was too overpowered. Damn retards. ::)
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 20, 2009, 09:59:58 PM
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 20, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
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ya jesus people stop bitching over one small little thing
IF it is like the review described it's not just a little thing.
They probably realized that marines are underpowered and they want to balance. Motion tracked can make difference between aliens/preds, sniper rifle that can detect preds and now thins.
Yeah, and some preview news (Kotaku) said dedicated servers are out...just wait for some gameplay or Rebellion confirmation. Also they are changing a lot of things, chubby pred fingers, strange wristblades etc...
Kotaku never said they were out. Kotaku said it wasn't looking promising.
http://kotaku.com/5391324/dedicated-servers-not-likely-for-aliens-vs-predator-either
Last part of the article:
Given three opportunities to talk about it, we'll take that as a "no."
Classic preview media BS, **if they dont answer my question rigth now, i will dont give a dam about the truth"
I will wait until confirmation, or some gameplay.
Classic apologism.
They were asked more than three times, and by more than one journalist.
In Germany there is a youtube recorded statement of "using Steam for matchmaking and anti-cheat". Fullstop.
Subsequently we are told that a dedicated server lookup server is "exorbitantly expensive", which is at best either ignorant-poorly researched, or at worst an outright lie.
Mr Kingsley comes along and states that this was in the implementation gameplan all along, which should have obviated ALL of the above from ever happening.
The MOST evasive that would have been is "We are planning to, but we're not sure how or what exactly is going to implemented, so don't quote me yet; but yes, we plan to, we'll let you know."
What's bizarre is if you look at the Marine "explosion death", you have all the elements you need for an animation to kick the Alien down and shoot him... you know the kind of counter that actually makes any kind of sense. They're carrying a weapon, aside from the snipey gun; why the hell wouldn't you use the butt of it to get them the hell off of you?
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 21, 2009, 12:47:45 AM
either way no one said anything about picking the alien up. they said choke slam. gravity takes care of that.
So... you grab someone by the neck and gravity just... slams them down for you?
they should just make Marine weapons stronger
and Alien attacks unblockable and 1 hit kill
QuoteMarine Finishing Move
"Marines can block Alien lunges and counter with their own one-hit hill - a balls of steel neck-grab followed by a body slam and a few well-placed rounds to the skull."
Whoa whoa whoa... back the f**k up. NO.
Let me make this absolute clear. There is no way you can justify a human body slamming an Alien. NONE.
The Marines are made of Rebellonium.
I'm telling ya, developers need to make more simulator/realistic like authentic multiplayer in their games.
But if people want balance instead, then OF COURSE things that don't make sense will happen and things like aliens will be weaker and marines tougher than they should be.
Quote from: kvon17 on Nov 21, 2009, 01:18:27 AM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 21, 2009, 12:47:45 AM
either way no one said anything about picking the alien up. they said choke slam. gravity takes care of that.
So... you grab someone by the neck and gravity just... slams them down for you?
no gravity takes them to the ground the strength of your arm makes it a slam. it's a lot easier to push something down then pick up. that's what your taught in marshal arts. how to use very little strength to cause maximum damage. i can't believe that no one can see this happening. it's a grab of the neck and slam to the ground. man you're acting like their making it so human could grab an alien by the tail and swing it in circols like bowser in mario 64. this isn't that big a deal. the entire plot to all aliens predator and avp is unrealistic. but this has you worked up. i didn't think an argument like this was realistic but you proved me wrong. so can't you in some way say that this could maybe just have a small chance of happening? or do you really believe in the deepest part of your heart that the neck slam is 100% imposable.?
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 21, 2009, 01:34:47 AM
The Marines are made of Rebellonium.
*Hick accent.*
Real American tough!
especially the
QuoteRebellonium
part.
what the hell rebellion seriously dudes
you are not coming to my birthday party anymore
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 21, 2009, 01:34:47 AM
The Marines are made of Rebellonium.
lolo good one xD
I think there should be a way for the Aliens to kill you while this happens, just to make it a risky move, but I can definetly see it happen. Aliens are pretty damn skinny, and one caught off balance probably wouldn't be hard to knock over.
Except that their inhuman strength, reflexes and agility render them fairly solid.
They're heavier than most human beings, too, I'd wager.
Quote from: affinity on Nov 21, 2009, 01:20:29 AM
they should just make Marine weapons stronger
and Alien attacks unblockable and 1 hit kill
gtfo...
Would be nice if you pulled off a "Eat This" moment instead..
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do you really believe in the deepest part of your heart that the neck slam is 100% imposable.?
Yes. For a human to do on an alien. Yes...
WAIT! I KNOW! Unless...
Spoiler
The Alien is already dead.
You lot forget that ripley in alien 3 pulled the tail of the runner and vasquez pushed a alien agaisnt a wall you could say those are wrestling moves i don't see the problem and arnold fighted the predator LOL maybe theses marines are more buff this time around dunno what the problem it is with it maybe it will be good xD
reaching much.
Spike alowed his shit to be yanked and get whacked with a pipe.
Vasquez had to use her entire body to pin one part of an Alien at an agnle completely to her advantage and literaly oblique ot the Alien's line of attack.
It's f**king stupid, fullstop, and no amount of excusology is going to make it not stupid.
Having a Marine deflect, move and shoot is more realistic, doesn't change the mechanic, still allows the same sequence to occur in the allotted geometry.
Aliens comes in, eats weapon butt and foot, while getting up eats bullets, the end.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 21, 2009, 05:47:21 AM
reaching much.
Spike alowed his shit to be yanked and get whacked with a pipe.
Vasquez had to use her entire body to pin one part of an Alien at an agnle completely to her advantage and literaly oblique ot the Alien's line of attack.
It's f**king stupid, fullstop, and no amount of excusology is going to make it not stupid.
Having a Marine deflect, move and shoot is more realistic, doesn't change the mechanic, still allows the same sequence to occur in the allotted geometry.
Aliens comes in, eats weapon butt and foot, while getting up eats bullets, the end.
you win it's stupid, you are right about everything. good for you. your so smart. too bad you don't like it. i do. i mean i'll like this game a little more than you. i feel bad for you and your inability to think outside your movie box :(
Not for nothing but was ANYTHING said or questioned about the aftermath. What about the acid wich im sure will affect your character to almost near death
I can't wait to see this body slam move. Cause there are just SO many ways it can be done that wont just look bad. But be freaking hilarious. I mean yeah I could accept a Marine kicking an Alien over an shooting him as a block move. That makes some sense as Aliens probably don't weigh all that much since they are so fast an can climb on roofs. But trying to do hand to hand grapple moves on a creature that can tear you to pieces in seconds? Doesn't sound all that effective. Makes me wonder what kind of finisher they will have for Predator. Grab him by the dreads an sling him in a circle into the wall?
No. I for one refuse to be reasonable. If there is a machine, I shall rage against it.
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 21, 2009, 06:15:07 AM
Aliens comes in, eats weapon butt and foot, while getting up eats bullets, the end.
you win it's stupid, you are right about everything. good for you. your so smart. too bad you don't like it. i do. i mean i'll like this game a little more than you. i feel bad for you and your inability to think outside your movie box :(
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Or maybe Xhan is just pointing out that giving the Marine a counter to the Alien's only method of delivering damage is, quite apart from being non-canonical, poor balance?
Not to mention that nothing about an equivalent against Predators was mentioned. So now not only are Alien inferior to Preds in melee against them, they're inferior to Preds against Marines, too.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 21, 2009, 08:11:04 AM
Quote from: clinton_haeckl on Nov 21, 2009, 06:15:07 AM
Aliens comes in, eats weapon butt and foot, while getting up eats bullets, the end.
you win it's stupid, you are right about everything. good for you. your so smart. too bad you don't like it. i do. i mean i'll like this game a little more than you. i feel bad for you and your inability to think outside your movie box :(
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Or maybe Xhan is just pointing out that giving the Marine a counter to the Alien's only method of delivering damage is, quite apart from being non-canonical, poor balance?
Not to mention that nothing about an equivalent against Predators was mentioned. So now not only are Alien inferior to Preds in melee against them, they're inferior to Preds against Marines, too.
[/quote]eveyone has a counter so no one is inferior. if you look at the topic post again it says that marines are inferior at melee to both aliens and preds.
But the point is that this counter diminishes that advantage against Marines and places the Predators even further above Aliens in terms of melee combat - not only against Aliens, but against Marines as well.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 21, 2009, 08:34:46 AM
But the point is that this counter diminishes that advantage against Marines and places the Predators even further above Aliens in terms of melee combat - not only against Aliens, but against Marines as well.
i'm a little comfused. could you explain that in a little more detail.
Alright.
Marines can counter Alien finisher moves from the front.
We haven't heard any word that Marines can also counter Predator finisher moves from the front.
This means that Predators are better at killing Marines in melee combat than Aliens are, as well as generally winning melee combats against Aliens.
This is a bit of an issue from a balance perspective.
I think you are getting pretty damn worked up about something that is very unlikely (predators being un-counterable). To overlook something like that is nearly inconceivable.
Dutch did counter the Pred by punching him in the face.
Nothing more than a failed attempt to balance, in favor of the marines. I can't believe that someone actually thinks that it is a good idea and that it works. WWE is lame as it is. Borrowing stuff from it to put in a AvP game? R-tarded.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.studentsoftheworld.info%2Fsites%2Fsport%2Fimg%2F274_Choke%2520Slam.jpg&hash=974af518d3b262282dc216126ec901712e72c1d1)
I don't think they will do the chokeslam like that :/ but let's wait till we see this footage
Its funny, everytime I think the aliens can't sink any further something like this always happens. I also think its funny how we haven't seen the predator get this kind of treatment, the only ones we keep seeing get their asses handed to them are the aliens. Come on, lets see a predator get a stone cold stunner. Come on, Rebellion lets see this "balance" at work. ::)
The Aliens have consistently owned face in multiplayer matches, hell their speed alone is insane. Couple that with their extremely simple learning curve and it's very likely multiplayer matches will be utterly dominated by Aliens for several months before other players catch up.
Basically what I'm trying to say is... saying yay or nay to proposed design decisions is fine, but criticizing people for something that hasn't even been demonstrated yet is premature. Wait for the (ohgodIhopethere'sademo) release before you bitch about it.
Bitching after the game is released - a smart move
I already have my hand ready for the massive facepalm, if the counter should look anything like it has been described. I just really hope the chokeslam was a pure choice of words.
Quote from: Brother on Nov 21, 2009, 11:30:39 AM
Bitching after the game is released - a smart move
Yeah... if only there were some way to fix problems with the game, some way to... patch them over with a... a fix of some kind.
If only!
Ah well, back to burning the devs at the stake for a theoretical gameplay mechanic. Carry on!
Quote from: CasualGamer on Nov 21, 2009, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: Brother on Nov 21, 2009, 11:30:39 AM
Bitching after the game is released - a smart move
Yeah... if only there were some way to fix problems with the game, some way to... patch them over with a... a fix of some kind.
If only!
lol wut?
Let's make it broken so we can patch it later.
Well, honestly as an alien player this sounds very, v e r y lame ... and again now we have two fronts to fight on with lame balancing methods.
This links in perfectly with the Predator lame way of balancing as it is another (just this time for aliens) uncanon like move to make it harder for them!
Sorry I can NOT accept this as an alien player in on-line matches ... I mean they put in those one hit kill moves á la execution/trophy etc. kills and then they put in a counter for the human to counter those ... and I guess the Predator ones will also be counterable ... .
I always thought that a marine should have his revenge in form of heavy weapons like the Minigun or the sniper rifle or the gl et cetera but not by counter attacking this "new feature".
Well I really start to ask myself why even putting in those one-hit kill moves beforehand!?
*shakeshead*
Quote from: Brother on Nov 21, 2009, 11:40:33 AM
lol wut?
Let's make it broken so we can patch it later.
If you honestly believe Jigsaw85's comment is anything other than completely unproductive you are beyond my help. Honestly this line of discussion grows tiresome. If you want people to spit vitriol at theoretical gameplay elements perhaps the gamefaqs forums are a better fit for you.
You here? You ok?
I never replied to jigsaw's comment. For the 16th time I think this is a failed attempt to balance marines and aliens, and most of the people agreed. You are the one that made the discussion tiresome.
Like ikarop stated before, it is possible that someone "important" people are reading these threads, I mean it is the biggest AvP fan based site, and it is possible that with "bitching" we can achieve something.
Quote from: CasualGamer on Nov 21, 2009, 12:57:40 PM
If you want people to spit vitriol at theoretical gameplay elements perhaps the gamefaqs forums are a better fit for you.
Troll or what
Quote from: Brother on Nov 21, 2009, 01:09:06 PM
it is possible that with "bitching" we can achieve something
Dear Rebellion,
Please either remove this Marine counter or make it applicable to both the Alien and Predator. You have a chance to display the Alien as it should be in this game and it would be very disappointing if you furthered its fodderisation.
Regards,
The
ALIEN fanbase.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 21, 2009, 01:13:42 PM
Quote from: Brother on Nov 21, 2009, 01:09:06 PM
it is possible that with "bitching" we can achieve something
Dear Rebellion,
Please either remove this Marine counter or make it applicable to both the Alien and Predator. You have a chance to display the Alien as it should be in this game and it would be very disappointing if you furthered its fodderisation.
Regards,
The ALIEN fanbase.
Cliché response but signed. :)
Jigsaw85's comment is what I've been talking about the entire time, perhaps you somehow missed that. Reading is, how did you say, fundamental?
In any case, my contention with jigsaw85's wording was that there was no indication that the predator melee was going to be un-counterable (and in fact, all logic would point to this not being the case), and yet his post was whining about the lack of gameplay balance from something he made up in his head.
Well i just can speak of what i guess
The Single Player is done i think
its still 2 month to go so this means Rebellion has 2 Month more with Balancing maybe even release a MP Demo in January to get some public feedback
and balancing classes isnt that easy and i promise that balacing will be still after release
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 21, 2009, 11:14:45 AM
Its funny, everytime I think the aliens can't sink any further something like this always happens. I also think its funny how we haven't seen the predator get this kind of treatment, the only ones we keep seeing get their asses handed to them are the aliens. Come on, lets see a predator get a stone cold stunner. Come on, Rebellion lets see this "balance" at work. ::)
You obviously have missed the Predator SP gameplay, where a NPC marine conunter several times the pred "sprint finishing move" hitting him with the back part of the pulse rifle. You can see the exactly same counter move against a pred in the MP gameplay vids...the pred owned by the marine counter move.
But here we are, bitching again and again about some "preview" we havent seen, quoted by a forum member. Awesome.
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 21, 2009, 03:12:52 PM
You obviously have missed the Predator SP gameplay, where a NPC marine conunter several times the pred "sprint finishing move" hitting him with the back part of the pulse rifle. You can see the exactly same counter move against a pred in the MP gameplay vids...the pred owned by the marine counter move.
But here we are, bitching again and again about some "preview" we havent seen, quoted by a forum member. Awesome.
There's a difference between interrupting a kill sequence with a quick hit with the butt of a gun and actually grapping an Alien by it's neck and chokeslamming it, like described.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 21, 2009, 03:17:02 PM
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 21, 2009, 03:12:52 PM
You obviously have missed the Predator SP gameplay, where a NPC marine conunter several times the pred "sprint finishing move" hitting him with the back part of the pulse rifle. You can see the exactly same counter move against a pred in the MP gameplay vids...the pred owned by the marine counter move.
But here we are, bitching again and again about some "preview" we havent seen, quoted by a forum member. Awesome.
There's a difference between interrupting a kill sequence with a quick hit with the butt of a gun and actually grapping an Alien by it's neck and chokeslamming it, like described.
The same difference between confirmated stuff and gameplay, and some rumour quoted of a preview we havent seen?
Doesn't need to be confirmed to hate the idea of it.
Quote from: Sifer2 on Nov 21, 2009, 06:50:07 AM
I can't wait to see this body slam move. Cause there are just SO many ways it can be done that wont just look bad. But be freaking hilarious.
Wait til you see the running Liger Bomb for the Pred counter.
I'm gonna try it at the top of the pyramid map and see how far the Alien falls while yelling "BIG SHOW" into the mic at the top of my lungs the whole time.
Quote from: Xhan on Nov 21, 2009, 03:52:50 PM
Quote from: Sifer2 on Nov 21, 2009, 06:50:07 AM
I can't wait to see this body slam move. Cause there are just SO many ways it can be done that wont just look bad. But be freaking hilarious.
Wait til you see the running Liger Bomb for the Pred counter.
I'm gonna try it at the top of the pyramid map and see how far the Alien falls while yelling "BIG SHOW" into the mic at the top of my lungs the whole time.
I see some people already have ideas for AvP: WWE Mod. ;D
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 21, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
The same difference between confirmated stuff and gameplay, and some rumour quoted of a preview we havent seen?
If there is any doubt that the preview exists then I'm more than happy to create scans of it and upload it. Failing that, I'm sure at least one other person on this forum has the latest issue of PC Zone to back me up.
With that said, I must agree to some extent that the whole 'choke slam' thing really isn't that big a deal for me. Perhaps there was a little bit of exaggeration in there so we can't say for certain, at least, not until we see it for ourselves.
My intention wasn't to stir the hive when I posted this preview, I just thought it was a little interesting. Personally I was more interested by the rock, paper and scissors style melee system - but hey, that's just me.
Edit: Links for the scans can be found here:
http://i47.tinypic.com/zxmywk.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/zxmywk.jpg) - Page 1
http://i45.tinypic.com/x1g1.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/x1g1.jpg) - Page 2
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 21, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
Alright.
Marines can counter Alien finisher moves from the front.
We haven't heard any word that Marines can also counter Predator finisher moves from the front.
This means that Predators are better at killing Marines in melee combat than Aliens are, as well as generally winning melee combats against Aliens.
This is a bit of an issue from a balance perspective.
oh i see. you're right, but we don't know if the can counter preds from the front. and now that i think of it. it would be stupid to be able to counter preds from front. as much as i do like the idea of the choke slam. i would get rid of it to keep the balance proper. or make damn sure that the marine to pred front counter makes sense.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Nov 21, 2009, 10:00:13 AM
Alright.
Marines can counter Alien finisher moves from the front.
We haven't heard any word that Marines can also counter Predator finisher moves from the front.
This means that Predators are better at killing Marines in melee combat than Aliens are, as well as generally winning melee combats against Aliens.
This is a bit of an issue from a balance perspective.
We have seen AI marines counter predator lunge attacks (E3 demo). I'm sure they can counter pred execution attempts.
To make both species feel evenly mistreated, the Marine could counter the Predator by kicking him in the balls and shoot him in the face when he leans over. That might make the Alien fans feel better.
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 21, 2009, 11:10:28 PM
To make both species feel evenly mistreated, the Marine could counter the Predator by kicking him in the balls and shoot him in the face when he leans over. That might make the Alien fans feel better.
It would make me feel better. ;D
But do Predators actually have balls?
Quote from: Ghost Rider LSOV on Nov 21, 2009, 11:13:48 PM
It would make me feel better. ;D
But do Predators actually have balls?
Wouldn't matter. It would make as little sense as a Marine being able to body slam an Alien.
Sure they do. You gotta have balls to hunt xenomorphs.. ;)
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 21, 2009, 11:10:28 PM
To make both species feel evenly mistreated, the Marine could counter the Predator by kicking him in the balls and shoot him in the face when he leans over. That might make the Alien fans feel better.
i like it. or maybe something that doesn't like like it's on perpose, like kicking him in the balls and falling backwards shooting wildly. like he just got lucky.
Quote from: Rimski on Nov 21, 2009, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 21, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
The same difference between confirmated stuff and gameplay, and some rumour quoted of a preview we havent seen?
If there is any doubt that the preview exists then I'm more than happy to create scans of it and upload it. Failing that, I'm sure at least one other person on this forum has the latest issue of PC Zone to back me up.
With that said, I must agree to some extent that the whole 'choke slam' thing really isn't that big a deal for me. Perhaps there was a little bit of exaggeration in there so we can't say for certain, at least, not until we see it for ourselves.
My intention wasn't to stir the hive when I posted this preview, I just thought it was a little interesting. Personally I was more interested by the rock, paper and scissors style melee system - but hey, that's just me.
Edit: Links for the scans can be found here:
http://i47.tinypic.com/zxmywk.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/zxmywk.jpg) - Page 1
http://i45.tinypic.com/x1g1.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/x1g1.jpg) - Page 2
Sorry, my mistake. I just wanted to point out the madness of being bitching about a quoted article.
Anyway, i have read the entire article you have posted, and as i said before, its sounds REALLY strange. That guy its talking about the MP show. And we have seen tons of MP gameplay from that show...how curious we havent seen that "marine super-uber finishing move". As i said, that guy is mistaken (or a little bit pasionated) and he is talking about the classic pulse rifle back hit...
Thx for the scans.
PS: The flamethrower effect looks awesome :o
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 21, 2009, 11:19:15 PM
Quote from: Rimski on Nov 21, 2009, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: Yutani on Nov 21, 2009, 03:25:49 PM
The same difference between confirmated stuff and gameplay, and some rumour quoted of a preview we havent seen?
If there is any doubt that the preview exists then I'm more than happy to create scans of it and upload it. Failing that, I'm sure at least one other person on this forum has the latest issue of PC Zone to back me up.
With that said, I must agree to some extent that the whole 'choke slam' thing really isn't that big a deal for me. Perhaps there was a little bit of exaggeration in there so we can't say for certain, at least, not until we see it for ourselves.
My intention wasn't to stir the hive when I posted this preview, I just thought it was a little interesting. Personally I was more interested by the rock, paper and scissors style melee system - but hey, that's just me.
Edit: Links for the scans can be found here:
http://i47.tinypic.com/zxmywk.jpg (http://i47.tinypic.com/zxmywk.jpg) - Page 1
http://i45.tinypic.com/x1g1.jpg (http://i45.tinypic.com/x1g1.jpg) - Page 2
Sorry, my mistake. I just wanted to point out the madness of being bitching about a quoted article.
Anyway, i have read the entire article you have posted, and as i said before, its sounds REALLY strange. That guy its talking about the MP show. And we have seen tons of MP gameplay from that show...how curious we havent seen that "marine super-uber finishing move". As i said, that guy is mistaken (or a little bit pasionated) and he is talking about the classic pulse rifle back hit...
Thx for the scans.
Guess it's the passion talking then. I wonder what he was smoking to see a chokeslam though.
Thanks for the scans.
QuoteI just thought I'd point out a couple of niggles that PCZ noticed. They mention that the animations look a little rigid.
I guess they refer to melee attack animations. I know the melee attacks are one of the areas that's still getting the most work so that shouldn't be a problem.
The state transitions need a little smoother blending as well.