I think this site is split pretty evenly between Predator and Alien fans. I'd characterize myself as a Predator fan who respects the Alien universe (there isn't really a predator universe as the solo series (movies, books, comics etc.) mostly takes place in modern times).
The alien fans are making an even bigger fuss about how AvP2 is portraying the aliens than the hysterics AvP1 threw pred fans into. I understand that fans of the alien creature don't want to see them be in the middle of the food chain, humans at the bottom, and Wolfie at the top, but is it because how easily Wolf is dispatching them or simply the fact that multiple aliens are being dispatched by a lone predator? I for one fall into the former category.
And there are those Alien fans who say that AvP1 was actually fair and balanced. Can they not see how the predator image suffered more in AvP1 than the alien image, which i thougt was pretty well preserved? AvP1 was to predators what AvP2 is to aliens in my honest opinion.
For me it has nothing to do with the fact that Wolf kills a bunch of aliens. Its the fact that the aliens just stand there, flailing their limbs around like as if they were doing something, when infact they aren't. Its really just a case of badly shots scenes.
AVP1 was slanted to the Aliens, I will give it that, however, and we did get to see Scar kill plenty more Aliens. You could say that AVP1 was about 40% to 60%. Scar did manage to take down the Queen with help, too, and used his wrist bomb to kill all the others. Chopper was stabbed in the back, and Celtic had a good fight, but ultimately died. Both of those Preds were in a handicap situation, as neither of them had any plasma guns. I give the favor to the Aliens being on top there as all 3 main Preds died, and the hero Pred, Scar, got killed by the Queen, AND was an Alien host. The movie was somewhat Aliens biased.
AVP2 is about 10% to 90% in favor of the Predator. Wolf kills many Aliens in the film, with relative ease, and even the PredAlien, which only injures him. The only reason the Aliens even get the 10%, is that in the Beginning Chet kills a few unarmed Preds. This movie seems to be very Pred Biased. (currently, as I may have a different opinion after seeing the film)
I will take it with grain of salt, however, as Wolf is FAR tougher than any other Pred we have ever seen. If he is the very best the Preds have to offer, and he is supposed to be better than the other 99.9999% of Preds, then sure it would make sense for him to be dishing most of the ass-kicking.
It would be like the mother Queen of all Aliens (if she is 30 meters tall) fighting off a hundred average Preds who are only armed with melee weapons.
Any bias in AvP - real or imagined - is entirely irrelevant to the faults in AvP2.
i dont recall pred fans calling fowl about avp, but alien fans r rioting with avp2
Quote from: happypred on Nov 10, 2007, 01:42:32 AM
but is it because how easily Wolf is dispatching them or simply the fact that multiple aliens are being dispatched by a lone predator?
It's not that it's showing skillful ease. It's that the Aliens aren't trying to resist.
Quote from: megachu17 on Nov 10, 2007, 02:11:46 AM
i dont recall pred fans calling fowl about avp
You should read more forums. :)
do u mean on the avp-r forums? iv only ceen that in responce to alien-fan complains, if its on the avp forums, i wouldnt no...
Many Predator fans squealed just as loudly when two Predators are dispatched in the space of 3 and half minutes by Grid.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 10, 2007, 02:15:22 AM
It's not that it's showing skillful ease. It's that the Aliens aren't trying to resist.
Quote from: The New Blood on Nov 10, 2007, 02:04:12 AM
For me it has nothing to do with the fact that Wolf kills a bunch of aliens. Its the fact that the aliens just stand there, flailing their limbs around like as if they were doing something, when infact they aren't. Its really just a case of badly shots scenes.
Entirely agreed, I don't like how the slaying of aliens has been reduced to an almost frivolous affair. Some forum members want long, brutal, drawn out fights but that doesn't seem very realistic. Wolf should kill them quickly and efficiently but in doing so he should demonstrate either a) phenomenal skill and/or b) heavy use of "unfair" tactics (like how the pred in Predator 1 basically sniped from the trees for the entire movie).
I DO NOT WANT TO SEE A SINGLE PREDATOR HOLDING TWO ALIENS BY THE NECK, IT'S SIMPLY A SILLY NOTION.
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2007, 02:19:24 AM
Many Predator fans squealed just as loudly when two Predators are dispatched in the space of 3 and half minutes by Grid.
I should know, I was practically writing essays on how AvP failed to accurately portray preds.
Quote from: SM on Nov 10, 2007, 02:10:43 AM
Any bias in AvP - real or imagined - is entirely irrelevant to the faults in AvP2.
I do however think it's still an issue worth discussing and I basically agree that yes, AvP leaned toward Aliens whereas AvP2 is practically slobbering at the feet of the predators...or so it seems
okay, i'm both an alien and a predator fan, and all I have to say, is Wolf is pure bad ass---we know that, aliens on the other hand...are pussies hate to say but they are now with Wolf it seems to easy for him to take down an alien, we know he obvisouly had had some experiece ex: the scars on his mask, acid scarred face with missing tusk etc. but it seems like killing a xenomorph to Wolf is as easy as us picking up a penny on the ground, we need a film that will hopefully be in AvP3 a predator who's good at killing but not too good we have to make it more dificult for the preds and the aliens to kill eacother that would be equal to both of them
I really don't think the first AVP is all that biased. You did have Grid take down two preds right away, but the Celtic/Grid battle is how I imagine a pred/alien fight would go down (wish it had been done better, but hey). It was a rough and tumble confrontation that could have gone either way. The predator lost because of hubris...which actually fits.
After that though, Scar pretty much walks over his adversaries once he gets his cannon until jumped later right before the escape up the tunnel. And Scar dies killing the queen...it seemed to go back and forth pretty nicely. The only downside for pred fans is that he had help from a human.
The way I understand it pred fans didn't just want to see predators gunning down aliens but also killing them in melee combat. I guess that would be the ultimate proof of predator dominance, taking on aliens and beating them at their own game. Looks like AVP-R will have plenty of this with Wolf killing aliens in melee, out-smarting them, laying traps and ambushing them etc.
Quote from: Fitzley on Nov 10, 2007, 05:24:11 AM
I really don't think the first AVP is all that biased. You did have Grid take down two preds right away, but the Celtic/Grid battle is how I imagine a pred/alien fight would go down (wish it had been done better, but hey). It was a rough and tumble confrontation that could have gone either way. The predator lost because of hubris...which actually fits.
After that though, Scar pretty much walks over his adversaries once he gets his cannon until jumped later right before the escape up the tunnel. And Scar dies killing the queen...it seemed to go back and forth pretty nicely. The only downside for pred fans is that he had help from a human.
Grid gets to kill Celtic in the most memorable fight in the movie whereas the lamest fight (if you can call that split second a fight) was when Scar slices the alien's face off and holsters his shuriken in a really cheesy way
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on Nov 10, 2007, 05:29:39 AM
The way I understand it pred fans didn't just want to see predators gunning down aliens but also killing them in melee combat.
Is the idea of a predator defeating an alien in mele combat considered to be pro-predator...I don't have to see them dominating them all the time...just being able to pull it off a few times
I always found it funny how "slanted" Anderson is claimed to be. I know the Grid Alien kills were ridiculous, but the Scar Predator firing pot-shots at Aliens more than made up for that in the kill count.
The Predator de-balling was still ridiculous, but it wasn't entirely biased.
As far as I'm concerned, predators are dominant over aliens. I don't consider them equal at all. One bleeds acid and tail whips. The other is armed to the teeth and can one-shot from a distance.
This film so far portrays it in a less biased way imo than AvP. The only reason it looks biased is because there's only one predator and there are quite a few aliens. They can't all give him a hard time.
Hell with AVP3...looks like Fox should greenlight "Aliens fans vs. Predator fans"
Judging by this thread, I don't think the issue is how many aliens can one predator kill or how many predators can one alien kill...the discontent is mainly over how they are portrayed and the way they kill each other
predator fans don't want predators portrayed as fat joggers
alien fans don't want aliens depicted as flailing retards
however question to alien fans: do you accept that it is more realistic to have a single predator hunt and stalk multiple aliens than it is to have one alien stalking a bunch of predators?
Quote from: Space Disc Jockey on Nov 10, 2007, 06:18:14 AM
Hell with AVP3...looks like Fox should greenlight "Aliens fans vs. Predator fans"
I don't see any mud-slinging yet ::)
Give it time ;)
well hey people look at it this way, what happens when ya mix predator1/2 with aliens. yes what were gettin now, in predator one they showed the pred1/2 characterisation but in aliens all ya see of them isjumping wall to wall gettin shot, so when ya combine pred1/2 and aliens thats what were gettin in avp-r going back to the roots. what alien fans want is a highly skilled hunter have trouble killin prey that its already had experience killing.
Quote from: wolfboy on Nov 10, 2007, 06:15:16 AM
As far as I'm concerned, predators are dominant over aliens. I don't consider them equal at all. One bleeds acid and tail whips. The other is armed to the teeth and can one-shot from a distance.
This film so far portrays it in a less biased way imo than AvP. The only reason it looks biased is because there's only one predator and there are quite a few aliens. They can't all give him a hard time.
Sure. So, a powerful, methodical creature is cannon-bait because the Predator is well-equipped. How brilliant. It's all coming to me now...Aliens just involved the Marines clean-sweeping the creatures, due to their fiyahpowah. Yes, that's how it went down. We're not talking about an organic creature that the Predator would specifically hunt due to the difficulty in such a quarry, we're talking about simple animals.
I wasn't aware the director had a second account. :-X
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 10, 2007, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: wolfboy on Nov 10, 2007, 06:15:16 AM
As far as I'm concerned, predators are dominant over aliens. I don't consider them equal at all. One bleeds acid and tail whips. The other is armed to the teeth and can one-shot from a distance.
This film so far portrays it in a less biased way imo than AvP. The only reason it looks biased is because there's only one predator and there are quite a few aliens. They can't all give him a hard time.
Sure. So, a powerful, methodical creature is cannon-bait because the Predator is well-equipped. How brilliant. It's all coming to me now...Aliens just involved the Marines clean-sweeping the creatures, due to their fiyahpowah. Yes, that's how it went down. We're not talking about an organic creature that the Predator would specifically hunt due to the difficulty in such a quarry, we're talking about simple animals.
I wasn't aware the director had a second account. :-X
I would say that one very experienced Predator whose dedicated his entire life to hunting xenos is more dangerous to a group of aliens than a squad of marines who have never encountered them before...if they were an elite marine squad specially trained for bug extermination that might be a different matter
I never really got the point in goin for the aliens in an extinction situation, its good to be a fan f the alien movies but why would ya go for the aliens its the situation and movie that makes the aliens interesting, but with preds its actually them that interesting wat ever they do you want to no what theyre doing and why there doing it and preds arent there to wipe out the all humans so it easier to go for the preds, and in aliens it was the situation and human characters and aliens that made it entertainin so its all on the situation, but with pred1/2 it was the creature that made it interesting thats why its easier to characterize the preds then aliens, i think thats what the bros are trying to do here on avp-r
Experience in killing Aliens like the Wolf has is one thing. Simply disregarding AVP like how wolfboy does simply because he has this odd belief system is another.
im kinda gettin sick of these AVP movies, because of there is no way to make the alien fans happy, it almost sounds like the alien fans want the preds and aliens not touch each other. or go in he same room as one another.
There's a way to make both sides happy. It's just that differing fandoms involve themselves in the vision of the production crew, and the studio has too much say. Rectify this, and the fanboy b*tching on both sides will stop. It's just that the people behind this seem to blatantly disregard this fact for "awesomeness" at the expense of what the fans really want.
Yeah its dificult to make a aliens vs predator movie even, 1)to make it epic need more then one alien so need a whole hive. 2) if youhave more then one pred it goes out of chracter because they usualy go hunting alone. 3)the only way it would be fai for both sides is if it 'alien vs predator' but then it wuldnt be very epic or exciting.
You know what i think. People should stop complaining. this is Avp galaxy not Alien galaxy or predator galaxy. There shouldnt be alot of Complaining about which gets treated better. I personally dont care who wins. I love them both the same. I do understand the alien fans are worried about the next film but you know what, at least there is going to be another film. Avp almost killed any chance of another alien or pred movie. You guys should be grateful there is going to be another movie with aliens in it. I understand that you would want your favorite to be treated better and thats fine but seriously there will probably be plenty of moments where the aliens are better. Just enjoy what you do get instead of worrying, besides its just a movie. :)
Quote from: Its Game Time on Nov 10, 2007, 08:58:42 AM
You know what i think. People should stop complaining. this is Avp galaxy not Alien galaxy or predator galaxy. There shouldnt be alot of Complaining about which gets treated better. I personally dont care who wins. I love them both the same. I do understand the alien fans are worried about the next film but you know what, at least there is going to be another film. Avp almost killed any chance of another alien or pred movie. You guys should be grateful there is going to be another movie with aliens in it. I understand that you would want your favorite to be treated better and thats fine but seriously there will probably be plenty of moments where the aliens are better. Just enjoy what you do get instead of worrying, besides its just a movie. :)
Yeah ey, i find it funny how were fans of these creature and there movies and for some reason people complain about about having them on screen, im just glad the franchise is still goin.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 10, 2007, 05:31:53 AM
Quote from: Fitzley on Nov 10, 2007, 05:24:11 AM
I really don't think the first AVP is all that biased. You did have Grid take down two preds right away, but the Celtic/Grid battle is how I imagine a pred/alien fight would go down (wish it had been done better, but hey). It was a rough and tumble confrontation that could have gone either way. The predator lost because of hubris...which actually fits.
After that though, Scar pretty much walks over his adversaries once he gets his cannon until jumped later right before the escape up the tunnel. And Scar dies killing the queen...it seemed to go back and forth pretty nicely. The only downside for pred fans is that he had help from a human.
Grid gets to kill Celtic in the most memorable fight in the movie whereas the lamest fight (if you can call that split second a fight) was when Scar slices the alien's face off and holsters his shuriken in a really cheesy way
Dont think paul had the time to do more fights.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 10, 2007, 07:18:48 AM
Quote from: wolfboy on Nov 10, 2007, 06:15:16 AM
As far as I'm concerned, predators are dominant over aliens. I don't consider them equal at all. One bleeds acid and tail whips. The other is armed to the teeth and can one-shot from a distance.
This film so far portrays it in a less biased way imo than AvP. The only reason it looks biased is because there's only one predator and there are quite a few aliens. They can't all give him a hard time.
Sure. So, a powerful, methodical creature is cannon-bait because the Predator is well-equipped. How brilliant. It's all coming to me now...Aliens just involved the Marines clean-sweeping the creatures, due to their fiyahpowah. Yes, that's how it went down. We're not talking about an organic creature that the Predator would specifically hunt due to the difficulty in such a quarry, we're talking about simple animals.
I wasn't aware the director had a second account. :-X
Experience in killing Aliens like the Wolf has is one thing. Simply disregarding AVP like how wolfboy does simply because he has this odd belief system is another.
Marines =/= uber Predator sent specifically to kill aliens
If you want to count AvP, even they got blown away with single plasma caster shots. I'm not saying aliens are not powerful. I'm saying preds have the upper hand...unless they're in space on a ship, then the aliens have the upper hand. Close-combat is just my opinion against yours, but with the addition of attacking from range, preds are more dominant.
I mentioned in another thread, apparently Wolf gets messed up at one point and I would like that to be by standard drone alien(s). Maybe have him barely escape and be lucky to do so (interuption by humans, random explosion etc) which leads to him using the medi-pack.
His experience and the fact he's on a mission would make it acceptable to run away in order to fight another day and the aliens fans can then point to 'he would have been killed if 'x' hadn't happened'. Maybe the aliens could be distracted and when they look back all they see is the glowing blood trail like in P1.
Personally I'd like a human to inadvertantly save him and then get pwned by the aliens as payback for letting the big prize get away.
The only thing in defence of the predator, is he is so damn good of a hunter to kill the aliens easier. I cant really say any more apart from watching him in the film killing things. Be nice if he did get hurt by an alien and need some medical treatment but were just have to wait and see. I think alien fans are going over the top a bit by saying the aliens are retareded or what ever because how else would an exsperienced predator kill them.
Quote from: happypred on Nov 10, 2007, 01:42:32 AM
I think this site is split pretty evenly between Predator and Alien fans. I'd characterize myself as a Predator fan who respects the Alien universe (there isn't really a predator universe as the solo series (movies, books, comics etc.) mostly takes place in modern times).
The alien fans are making an even bigger fuss about how AvP2 is portraying the aliens than the hysterics AvP1 threw pred fans into. I understand that fans of the alien creature don't want to see them be in the middle of the food chain, humans at the bottom, and Wolfie at the top, but is it because how easily Wolf is dispatching them or simply the fact that multiple aliens are being dispatched by a lone predator? I for one fall into the former category.
And there are those Alien fans who say that AvP1 was actually fair and balanced. Can they not see how the predator image suffered more in AvP1 than the alien image, which i thougt was pretty well preserved? AvP1 was to predators what AvP2 is to aliens in my honest opinion.
I'd call myself an Alien fan, and I'm fine with the idea of hoards being taken out by one Predator. The thing that pisses me off is just how quickly he's doing it. I mean like in the Red Band trailer, he just wraps the whip around it splitting it in half in an instant. WTF?! We're supposed to see 'fights' in this movie, rolling around on the ground, smashing into things, ripping themselves to pieces. I understand
AvP annoyed Predator fans a lot, but it made sense with the story. If Celtic was a young, over-confident badass, then it makes sence that a smart, swift Alien could take him out. Plus the fight in
AvP was great. Theres times when the Alien has the upperhand then the Predator and back and forth. The only things missing was the gore factor which you'd expect from a brawl.
I can exept that Wolf can take out Aliens since he's an experienced elite, but they should at least be a challange. If there is to be some plasma gun and whip action then the number of Aliens in the movie should have been cut down = longer fights. Lets just say I'm looking forward to the final fight with Chet. Hopefully it'll be a fight which is both epic and balanced, which I'm sure it will.
I am one of those pred fans that hate the fact that they were crap in AVP1.
But even I know that the alien fans are being crapped on far more than us pred fans were in AVP1.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 04:00:51 PM
But even I know that the alien fans are being crapped on far more than us pred fans were in AVP1.
So there werent that many aliens die in Aliens then. If the marines knew what they were getting themselves into they would been more prepared and taken more out where as the predator does.
Quote from: nukem11 on Nov 10, 2007, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 04:00:51 PM
But even I know that the alien fans are being crapped on far more than us pred fans were in AVP1.
So there werent that many aliens die in Aliens then.
You don't even get what I was trying to say ::)
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 04:37:53 PM
Quote from: nukem11 on Nov 10, 2007, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 04:00:51 PM
But even I know that the alien fans are being crapped on far more than us pred fans were in AVP1.
So there werent that many aliens die in Aliens then.
You don't even get what I was trying to say ::)
Yeah about aliens being crapped on more because they die too easy, is that it or something else.
It is everything that is making alien fans bitching
The new reproductive system
the pred-alien
the alien design
the way they make noises before they attack
dying too easily
pred-alien being a queen ::)
Aliens being cannon fodder
normal aliens not being able to even hit Wolf judging from trailers, pics, clips, etc.
Wouldn't this piss you off? The movie is fu**ing with everything that is ALIEN.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 04:49:43 PM
It is everything that is making alien fans bitching
The new reproductive system
the pred-alien
the alien design
the way they make noises before they attack
dying too easily
pred-alien being a queen ::)
Aliens being cannon fodder
normal aliens not being able to even hit Wolf judging from trailers, pics, clips, etc.
Wouldn't this piss you off? The movie is fu**ing with everything that is ALIEN.
Well half of those I would just have to say your being far too picky but the aliens dying to easy I can understand a bit.
i am only fine with one fo those, I am just pointing out the many reasons that i have seen alien fans being angry about
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 04:49:43 PM
It is everything that is making alien fans bitching
The new reproductive system
the pred-alien
the alien design
the way they make noises before they attack
dying too easily
pred-alien being a queen ::)
Aliens being cannon fodder
normal aliens not being able to even hit Wolf judging from trailers, pics, clips, etc.
Wouldn't this piss you off? The movie is fu**ing with everything that is ALIEN.
I'm fine with all of the above, exept dying too easily and being treated like sh*t.
The Wolf is a highly trained elite warrior for shit sakes!!! It's whole life is war and the study of it!!!
The Aliens have no chance, deal with it! Accept it! Eat it! Shut up! Die!
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 10, 2007, 07:14:38 PM
The Wolf is a highly trained elite warrior for shit sakes!!! It's whole life is war and the study of it!!!
The Aliens have no chance, deal with it! Except it! Eat it! Shut up! Die!
Yep just except it. I mean what's the point of calling him an experienced predator if he's useless.
Its not a case that its just one predator but his experience that counts no matter how many predators.
The trouble with this AVP franchise is that the predator pretty much owns the alien its only queen alien and hybrids that can really give him any trouble. With his height and strength not too mention his weapons he will always be the superior alien over the warrior aliens.
People compare the problem to AVP's Predators ture it was more balanced but if every fight is Alien win close that'd get boring...well so is Predator wis every fight but at least the two movies together are balanced
The Predator is just as dangerous h2h even with out his weapon, but! The Alien does have a chance of wining IF it can take the Predators weapon away, but thats a big if!
You take two steps towards a Predator your dead.
The first Alien in the clip is getting choked so bad that it's head comes out, it happened very fast. Theres nothing that the Alien could have done because it gave it's back away, so shut up!!!
The other Alien attacking the bully got nailed in the head by a plasma round, if you can't take the heat don't fight a Predator because he will f**king shoot you! So shut up!!!
The Wolf is an elite and has alot of experience, his reflexes and strength is through the roof. So, the Alien tried to jump on it's back the Wolf reacted fast enough to use the Aliens momentum to tose the Alien off his back. The Alien got slammed to the floor and got shot in the face. The Alien did everything that it could, but since the Wolf has so more f**king experience in battle and is an elite warrior thats what happens! The Alien did fight back and it got his ass kicked by an elite, so shut up!!!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/artwork/davedorman/davedorman04.jpg)
This pic says it all really and this was before the avp films were made. Its just a simple fact that the predators owns unless hes completly surrounded.
Yep.
You guys just don't get it.
Aliens shouldn't be owned but i mean there isen't much choice when there is one Predator also at least the humans will defantly be alien fodder
I cant believe this is what everyones in arms over when our new characters look like horror rejects. Real smooth.
This is what we are worried about at the moment, so far the acting sucks too, but we can deal with that.
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 10, 2007, 08:10:49 PM
I cant believe this is what everyones in arms over when our new characters look like horror rejects. Real smooth.
AVP 3: the Aliens carry Butcher Knifes!!!
Give the acting a chance...a small one but give it one
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 08:12:18 PM
This is what we are worried about at the moment, so far the acting sucks too, but we can deal with that.
U gotta be kidding me. Priorities anyone?
Look i am not saying that we should ignore it, but we haven't seen as much from the actors as we have the Pred and Alien, we have seen how they look like, we have seen how they act, that's all we need to criticize the pred and alien, we haven't seen as much acting from the actors to actually give a damn about it that we will be saying all this crap about them.
Lets be sure to bash them later then. In 45 days I hope the floodgates open on that front.
Quote from: Anomaly on Nov 10, 2007, 08:16:10 PM
Lets be sure to bash them later then.
We will in due time, if they manage to suck more than the one's in AVP
Well, if the Pred fanboys think Wolf should walk all over the Aliens, who are we to argue? ???
Quote from: SiL on Nov 10, 2007, 08:17:46 PM
Well, if the Pred fanboys think Wolf should walk all over the Aliens, who are we to argue? ???
I say he shouldn't walk over them, he can shoot them all he wants but when the fight if he kills them too easy i'll be diapointed,
The issue with who wins and doesnt is dictated by artists whim. The problem is making a script doesnt always allow complete fairness to both sides. Someones gotta win out. More predators have been winning because the AVP comics has some pull on their imaginations.
Pretty soon though they should make aliens overrun the predators or itll get old.
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 10, 2007, 08:20:56 PM
I say he shouldn't walk over them, he can shoot them all he wants but when the fight if he kills them too easy i'll be diapointed,
I know, I know. But the problem is, not every Pred fan is smart enough to realise that.
True, they just need to realise that the predator no matter how elite is not invincible to all forms of attack. I even realised that.
Like how Fincher killed off some character suddenly, I think It keeps it grounded when the unexpected happens in an instant, so aliens need to win a few movies very soon imo.
If anything we need to the see the aliens as a true threat to the preds other than just a ritual kill that they need to accomplish.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 10, 2007, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: Major Alan Schaefer on Nov 10, 2007, 08:20:56 PM
I say he shouldn't walk over them, he can shoot them all he wants but when the fight if he kills them too easy i'll be diapointed,
I know, I know. But the problem is, not every Pred fan is smart enough to realise that.
Yes that's defantly true, i think we might get some good fights, but i won't be surprised if we have some quicker kills in with them
I love the Bros mentality on the whole thing.
We're not supposed to root for the Alien, so it's perfectly fine to kill them off in spades. Who would care? You're not rooting for them.
...Seriously, though, that's the dumbest f**king thing I've ever heard a filmmaker say.
Ian Whyte mentioned that there will be at least five battles with the laiens against the pred, I hope to the demons of whatever that the small quick fights don't count.
Quote from: nukem11 on Nov 10, 2007, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Nov 10, 2007, 07:14:38 PM
The Wolf is a highly trained elite warrior for shit sakes!!! It's whole life is war and the study of it!!!
The Aliens have no chance, deal with it! Except it! Eat it! Shut up! Die!
Yep just except it. I mean what's the point of calling him an experienced predator if he's useless.
Its not a case that its just one predator but his experience that counts no matter how many predators.
The trouble with this AVP franchise is that the predator pretty much owns the alien its only queen alien and hybrids that can really give him any trouble. With his height and strength not too mention his weapons he will always be the superior alien over the warrior aliens.
If he had his weapons, he would/could be superior over all alien-types... thats the fact... the stronger the weapons the higher the chance to kill and survive the fight... then there is the point with experience... experience make any kind of weapon a bit stronger and his reactions as well.
im a big alien fan, thousand times more than for predator... but i dont understand those alien-fans who hate the idea that an alien could (simpley) killed by a predator...
its just logical... we saw aliens as creatures which want to survive, to reproduce, to save the hive, the queen, to sacrifice, without any fear, conscience and maybe logic in soome cases...
they are very strong, very fast, intelligent( at least the queen^^) they could adapt nearly any kind of environment... they are really the perfect organism that know to "survive"
its possible, that because of the "perfect organism"-thing that lots of fans think they are invincible or even stronger than all kinds of organism in the whole universe...the only thing were they really invincible is their will to live, to survive and to find ways to live... thats why they called perfect organsim... all species target is, to survive... and this specieas has the bigget chance to survive...
thats a fact too. then...
there are those other aliens, Preadtors, which only live for their honor and duty... they were perfectly trained and armed Killer... maybe the best in the universe...
the point is, nothing in universe is invincible... there are guys who had the better weapons the greater experience or the most soldiers, but at least there will the species who has the graeter will to survive...
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 08:31:36 PM
Ian Whyte mentioned that there will be at least five battles with the laiens against the pred, I hope to the demons of whatever that the small quick fights don't count.
I doubt he count something like Scar cutting the Aliens head off in AVP as a fight so there a good cahnce for good fights
What everyone seems to fail to realise, despite constant repetitious repetition, is that it's not that the Aliens die. They have to die. And because there's only one Predator, he has to kill them.
The problem is what the Aliens don't do.
It's all well and good for Wolf to kill a half-dozen Aliens, but when he does it because of the incompetency of his opponent, that's bad.
Pred fans will gladly say "What's the point of having a Predator if he's not going to be able to hold his own", yet when that logic gets applied to the Aliens they tell people to shut the f**k up, accept their bullshit 'truth', and live with it.
Honestly, what the hell is the point of having Aliens in the movie if the Predator is just going to swat them like flies? None. It doesn't make him look badass, it doesn't make the fights exciting. It makes the Predator look like a kid stepping on ants on the sidewalk - Bravo, retard, you've mastered the mechanics of walking! Now go back to your behavioral correction facility so you can learn to play nice with the handicapped kids.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 10, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
I love the Bros mentality on the whole thing.
We're not supposed to root for the Alien, so it's perfectly fine to kill them off in spades. Who would care? You're not rooting for them.
...Seriously, though, that's the dumbest f**king thing I've ever heard a filmmaker say.
well it might be dumb..but mel gibson has said dumber things.. and I'm sure Uwe Bowle has as well. lol.
I do agree if the aliens are as deadly as the alien fans make out then they should hurt wolf, maybe a bite somewhere or badly injured by its tail. And then its just a case of him using his medi-kit. Im a fan of both franchises but when it comes to a fight between these two its pred all the way but Im not making out hes invincible because it would start becoming lame like AVP .
Lol that was funny Sil...and a good point,
I doubt were gonna see him kill them all just by walking in his path, we'll se some good fights i'm sure. hopefully not trying to show all the good parts of the movie before it comes out
Quote from: Ballzanya on Nov 10, 2007, 08:40:03 PM
well it might be dumb..but mel gibson has said dumber things.. and I'm sure Uwe Bowle has as well. lol.
And fortunately, I haven't heard it if they have :P
The hardest thing any director that takes over is to get the right balance because from an alien point of view there might as well have one alien against one pred. But could that work for a whole film. Would a predator have trouble killing one alien????
Quote from: SiL on Nov 10, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
I love the Bros mentality on the whole thing.
We're not supposed to root for the Alien, so it's perfectly fine to kill them off in spades. Who would care? You're not rooting for them.
...Seriously, though, that's the dumbest f**king thing I've ever heard a filmmaker say.
It may be dumb, but it makes sense from an economical standpoint. The general audience don't root for the alien.
Mark, Scott and Jesse, all 18 year olds from Indianapolis don't care for the aliens. They want gore, blood and action.
Hampus 16, Anders 15 and his girlfriend Sara 16 from Göteborg, sweden, doesn't give a shit about aliens not reacting to Wolf's asskicking moves. They want the awesomeness.
Most people don't even know Wolf's called Wolf. In their eyes, aliens are henchmen and he's the anti-hero.
Unlike you. But they pay for the movie and earn Fox their money back, so they decide. Sad but true in the world of box-office Hollywood...
That is why the general audience is retarded.
What's to whine about..its not like we'll see wolf kill 20-25 Aliens single handedly and only have trouble with the predalien. ::)
From just the trailers we know he kills a bunch, and the store-showdown clip as well. If someone isn't too lazy they can go back and count the different ones. (And those are just the ones we know about)
I think killing like 10-12 and then the predalien, and having the military, humans and the nuke they drop kill the rest would be more reasonable. But it seems like he's cleaning house so to speak.
anyway the body count of aliens killed by wolf is currently known to be:
1- store showdown clip- decapitated by the whip
2- store showdown clip- shot by hand-held plasma caster (the one on top of dale)
3- store showdown clip- shoulder cannon blast (the one that damages his other shoulder cannon)
4- store showdown clip- presumed kill of alien, as wolf survives to the end.
5- same deal as number 4
6- red band trailer- presumed kill of alien in sewer
7- same deal as number 6
8- red band trailer- alien killed by whip on rooftop scene.
9- red band trailer- decap of alien in the hive
10- same deal as number 9 (at first i thought it might be the one from the store showdown, but it proved otherwise looking at it again.)
11- red band trailer- presumed kill of alien which falls down elevator shaft with him(unless its actually the predalien in that scene)
12- interview info- an alien is killed via the blue liquid wolf carries in order to elliminate evidence of their existence.
13- comic con gathered info- alien which attempts to protect the predalien.
14- the predalien of course.
(i will edit this to keep it updated. lol.)
The auidence goes to be scared/entertianed and some go hopeing for a good movie...me i mix my wants i want all that and i genreally want to see the creatures.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 08:47:29 PM
That is why the general audience is retarded.
thats an insult to people who actually have lives and dont spend the whole day on this forum :P ::) :-\
I'd say confirmed at about five
Quote from: karhan on Nov 10, 2007, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 08:47:29 PM
That is why the general audience is retarded.
thats an insult to people who actually have lives and dont spend the whole day on this forum :P ::) :-\
what? blasphemy! Having a life, a girlfriend and spending time outdoors in the presence of natural light. What heathen would dare call themself an Alien or predator fan and sink to such a low.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 08:47:29 PM
That is why the general audience is retarded.
You, me, this forum, everyone is retarded.
Why?
We can't all be fans of everything we appreciate. I'm likely going to see the new Star Trek movie next christmas. However, I'm not a fan of Star Trek, so don't care for the strict timeline, the continuity, the mumbo jumbo or who plays captain Kirk. I just want to see spaceships in space, as well as weird aliens and one-liners.
And that makes me guilty of retardation, in much the same way that non-hardcore moviegoers do when they see AvP: R.
Who's really gonna give a shit about a predator having a name. Funny enough the general audience just wonna see a good film and not have to be so picky about things.
I'm in the middle, because I like both creatures equally, but for this movie to work(one predator playin cleaner), he'd have to be more than a match for alien warriors.
I don't really see what the big deal is with what the bros said. Of course you're not supposed to root for the Aliens. Why would you root for something that gets born by punching through your chest and has the potential to eradicate your entire race? That said, even if we're not supposed to root for them, they should still be portrayed as tough and deadly creatures, even when facing Wolf.
How else would the predator kill the aliens with all his weapons I mean what's the point of him having them if they aren't useful in killing the aliens. If he went fist to fist with them it would be a much harder challenge for him hence AVP when they got owned but then hes experienced to tackle them more.
Quote from: OneThousandEyes on Nov 10, 2007, 08:55:29 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 08:47:29 PM
That is why the general audience is retarded.
You, me, this forum, everyone is retarded.
Why?
We can't all be fans of everything we appreciate. I'm likely going to see the new Star Trek movie next christmas. However, I'm not a fan of Star Trek, so don't care for the strict timeline, the continuity, the mumbo jumbo or who plays captain Kirk. I just want to see spaceships in space, as well as weird aliens and one-liners.
thats how i see things asswel i just want to see some nice action and i dont really care about all the little things in AVP-R like; that the blue liquid cant neutrolize alien acid because the alien isnt made entirly made of acid :-\ F*CK IT, you are not going to a movie to nitpck and see if it is scientifficly correct ::) and all that crap, and about the aliens not moving when being attacked you may be suprised when you
see the actual movie :-\
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Found another pic.
Quote from: nukem11 on Nov 10, 2007, 07:56:43 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/artwork/davedorman/davedorman04.jpg
This pic says it all really and this was before the avp films were made. Its just a simple fact that the predators owns unless hes completly surrounded.
For all we know, that pic might show the predator right before he gets dog-piled and destroyed
Quote from: ShadowPred on Nov 10, 2007, 08:16:42 PM
We will in due time, if they manage to suck more than the one's in AVP
I think AvP1 had okay actors...
Quote from: SiL on Nov 10, 2007, 08:22:48 PM
I know, I know. But the problem is, not every Pred fan is smart enough to realise that.
I'd say 50/50...plenty of pred fans know that for the AvP dynamic to work, aliens have to be a dangerous, perhaps the most dangerous, prey
Quote from: SiL on Nov 10, 2007, 08:37:22 PM
What everyone seems to fail to realise, despite constant repetitious repetition, is that it's not that the Aliens die. They have to die. And because there's only one Predator, he has to kill them.
Well, I'm a pred fan and I've said this before: the discontent is mainly over how they are portrayed and the way they kill each other
predator fans don't want predators portrayed as fat joggers
alien fans don't want aliens depicted as flailing retards
Quote from: nukem11 on Nov 10, 2007, 08:46:08 PM
from an alien point of view there might as well have one alien against one pred. But could that work for a whole film. Would a predator have trouble killing one alien????
In all honesty this might make for a good movie but you'd be messing with the established dynamic between the two species. If one predator can't handle a single alien, they've failed as hunters. I know many alien fans think that a balanced relationship would best be embodied in a 1:1 body count ratio. I'd argue that even a 2:1 ratio favoring the predators is watering down the predators. Aliens are about natural weaponry, teeth claw, acid blood, exoskeleton etc. but their greatest advantage is in their numbers and ability to mass reproduce quickly at the expense of their hosts. Predators aren't as numerous but each one of them can take out multiple drones. One pred only being able to take out a single alien is unfair to the pred. 1 pred taking out 20 aliens is obviously unfair to the aliens. 1 pred should be able to take out 3 to 5, and obviously not all at once with his bare hands ::)
Quote from: nukem11 on Nov 10, 2007, 08:46:08 PM
The hardest thing any director that takes over is to get the right balance because from an alien point of view there might as well have one alien against one pred. But could that work for a whole film. Would a predator have trouble killing one alien????
People sure are selective of the media they like to use.
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Pre-AvP. One Alien - Three Predators at the same time. Later on, a Predator chases the Alien only to exit a manhole and get run over by a truck.
Yeah, the Aliens get f**ked a lot of the time. But it hasn't always been the most evident truth.
there was only like say 3 aliens and one predator. no predalien. cause from what ive heard the predaliens gonna be this super badass. in Alien. the alien in that movie was the baddass. for an avp movie theres no need for a predalien. the aliens are smart,strong, and fast. and of course since they would have to be the villian in the movie they would have to die :/ (sucks but face it its true). if they had just like 3 aliens and there runnin around puttin scares on people and killin them and theres only one predator hunting those three but making it difficult to find them and when he does find them he would have a hard time killing them.
what ive seen from avp r so far is that hes just killing aliens from left to right no competition. the alien in alien was stealthy sneaky ass f**k. i think sumthing like that wouldve been better. im an all out predator fan and i bearly like aliens but I still think it shouldnt be just a quik kill monster :/
Quote from: DB on Nov 10, 2007, 11:35:32 PM
People sure are selective of the media they like to use.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/Deathbite/AlienbeatingPredators.jpg
Pre-AvP. One Alien - Three Predators at the same time. Later on, a Predator chases the Alien only to exit a manhole and get run over by a truck.
Yeah, the Aliens get f**ked a lot of the time. But it hasn't always been the most evident truth.
in that comic the predators didn't use shoulder cannons against aliens...and yes that's exactly what happens when inexperienced predators (that's how they were portrayed in the comic) try to take on aliens at their own game
Quote from: happypred on Nov 11, 2007, 03:37:13 AM
Quote from: DB on Nov 10, 2007, 11:35:32 PM
People sure are selective of the media they like to use.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/Deathbite/AlienbeatingPredators.jpg
Pre-AvP. One Alien - Three Predators at the same time. Later on, a Predator chases the Alien only to exit a manhole and get run over by a truck.
Yeah, the Aliens get f**ked a lot of the time. But it hasn't always been the most evident truth.
in that comic the predators didn't use shoulder cannons against aliens...and yes that's exactly what happens when inexperienced predators (that's how they were portrayed in the comic) try to take on aliens at their own game
Aliens can dodge plasma rounds. ;D
tell that 2 the avp directors, iv only seen 1 alien dodge a plasma caster round, and that was super-alien, Grid.
Quote from: megachu17 on Nov 11, 2007, 03:44:56 AM
tell that 2 the avp directors, iv only seen 1 alien dodge a plasma caster round, and that was super-alien, Grid.
Well most of the plasma caster shots have been close range so i dont no how they
could dodge them, and is it just me or the plasma travels much more faster in avp-r then avp so thats another reason.
The Predators in Eternal weren't said to be inexperienced at all. We never learn anything about them outside of what we explicitly see; they could've killed Aliens before for all the comic shows us.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 08:12:18 PM
The Predators in Eternal weren't said to be inexperienced at all. We never learn anything about them outside of what we explicitly see; they could've killed Aliens before for all the comic shows us.
well if every inexperanced predator died....we wouldn't have a wolf lol
The Predators won in that comic.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 08:21:35 PM
The Predators won in that comic.
I know...that was the point i was saying they all can't die lol
Quote from: Its Game Time on Nov 10, 2007, 08:58:42 AMYou know what i think. People should stop complaining. this is Avp galaxy not Alien galaxy or predator galaxy. There shouldnt be alot of Complaining about which gets treated better.
You want to know why the Friday/Jason, Nighmare/Freddy and Halloween/Michael Myers franchises are ridiculed? Because they took up that same thought process as you. "They're just movie icons, so who cares if we make them ridiculous? It's just a movie!"
I'm not happy to see all of the extreme fanboyism on both sides, but I'm happy to see there are still people who care. It shows that there will be protest to the stupid ideas Fox has in store, whether they be fights on Earth or PredAliens with shoulder cannons.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 11, 2007, 08:37:52 PM
Quote from: Its Game Time on Nov 10, 2007, 08:58:42 AMYou know what i think. People should stop complaining. this is Avp galaxy not Alien galaxy or predator galaxy. There shouldnt be alot of Complaining about which gets treated better.
You want to know why the Friday/Jason, Nighmare/Freddy and Halloween/Michael Myers franchises are ridiculed? Because they took up that same thought process as you. "They're just movie icons, so who cares if we make them ridiculous? It's just a movie!"
Those movies went down the wrong path because the studios stopped caring about story, pacing, and character and instead just cranked out horrible movies with low budgets because they knew the installed fanbase would eat them up, whether doing so while complaining or not. Yeah, it's stupid that there are 18 million Friday the 13th movies out there, but they surely wouldn't have been made had there not been an audience with little to no concept of quality.
The same thing is happening with Alien. People hated Alien Resurrection. They pissed, moaned, and cried. Then Fox made AVP with a terrible plotline, abysmal cast, one of the worst directors working in the industry, and a PG-13 rating. What did people do?
THEY WENT TO SEE IT!
I have a big problem with all the fans that complain and weep about their beloved movie characters and then go to the theater and pat Fox on the back with $10 for serving them a nice slice of Alien and Predator-themed shitcake. These people can complain all they want but corporations care about one thing and one thing only: money.
The second you give Fox any money in exchange for a bad product your opinion is not relevant. You have already spoken with your wallet and as an installed fan of Alien or Predator you have thereby given them permission to follow up with yet another blasphemous sequel.
As soon as I knew the details surrounding AVP's crew and production I knew I was not going to see the film. I wanted to like it, and I tried, but I could not escape the idea that it was simply going to tarnish the reputation of Alien and turn it down the path of campier and campier pulp.
Nothing in the Alien/Predator universe could have saved that movie and the fact that most of the debates currently on the web are pertaining to topics like "I don't like the predalien's jaws" or "which mask was the coolest?" tells me that a lot of the fanbase does not have its priorities straight. Don't get furious with Colin and Greg because the new predator's chin is not exactly to your liking. Instead, why not get furious with Fox for having sent the franchises down such a terrible path to begin with? There is nothing an entertainment corporation loves more than fans who busy themselves with trivial details that have little to do with the actual quality of the product. To get upset that the aliens in AVP did not strictly adhere to things previously established in the series is like complaining that there is a fly in your bowl of vomit.
I care a lot about these characters and these films. I care enough to know that I would feel guilty if I were to ever pay to see AVP. The more shitty movies you guys pay to go see the more you can expect to see down the road with lower budgets, worse actors, and less production. If you guys let them, Fox will squeeze every last drop of life out of these franchises and there will be no one to blame but the people who went to the theater and ate it all up anyway. I love these characters, but I love them enough where I don't need to see them on the big screen again at the expense of their credibility. I respect them enough to know that 99% of their coolness had to do with the fact that they were great creature designs in the middle of great, quality films.
Every ticket sale is another fan saying "more please!" and Fox is happy as hell to oblige. My money is on AVP3 going straight to DVD.
Quote from: nukem11 on Nov 10, 2007, 07:56:43 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/artwork/davedorman/davedorman04.jpg
This pic says it all really and this was before the avp films were made. Its just a simple fact that the predators owns unless hes completly surrounded.
That picture is amazing and captures how the action should look in an AVP film in my opinion. I love the Alien partially submerged in the water, that'd be a nice image to see in a film.
some people call them self fans
they need to rethink
ok i may not be able to tell you who played each chac or name chac names etc
but AvP was so alien based
AvP-R wolf isnt the bad-asses of all predators...his ship was the closest to it
reason they dont nuke the town...cant give themselves away to humans...they still use us as prey
AvP-R cant be said its Predator based because we have only seen so many clips of it
so what wolf has two aliens in his hands
shots alot of them and so on
aliens throw him about
chet kills him with his tail
if wolf was jumped at the start of the film...that would end it ffs...
aliens over run world
boring
wish up alien so called fans....wolf kills a threw easy aliens...has a fight with chet...gets owned...
simple has
Yeah its just like us with guns facig a swarm of giant ants or something, were gonna do some damage to their numbers before we die so thats the formula with preds, preds have skill and technology aliens have speed and numbers, cant have it the other way round cause that would be just weird and stupid
No one's saying that it should be reversed in roles. What Alien fans are trying to say to Predator fans (of which the skulls are so thick I'm sort of hoping these two franchises go their seperate ways after this) is that there are better ways to show a Predator hunting Aliens than to just have them stand around and get killed. We know that the Wolf has a scar on his face from acid blood splatter, but given the ineptitude of the creatures as displayed from what we've heard and seen from this film one would think that such a thing would've never happened on the basis that they're too easy to pick off to ever come close enough for that to be an issue.
While predators should win when you look at it on paper, they are prone to arrogance. Much like the first two predator films, where the predators reveal themselves to their prey, and get wasted. When a predator gets cocky, the aliens will strike, and kill him. When they think they're safe, they die. Aliens are sneaky bastards, and cloaking doesn't work on them.
However, Wolf is an elite xeno hunter, presumably having much experience of fighting aliens in the past. So, it's fair that he knows what he is doing, and can make quick work of them by traps he knows will work, and tactics he knows will work. he knows that he can't just sit around, and he must always be alert.
At least, that's how it should be portrayed.
The real problem is that Wolf looks like a normal pred, and instead of showing he is better than normal predators, they've made the aliens look weak and retarded. I mean, he holds thier necks and all they do is flail about like Grid when he gets thrown onto the floor in AvP.
I don't think who wins every single fight matters, I just care how the two monsters are portrayed in battle. It needs to look like a there is a struggle, and that they are almost equal. It needs to make sense. Making the aliens look silly does not make Wolf look tough. It makes him look like an orderly at a mental asylum, sending patients back to their rooms.
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Nov 12, 2007, 08:47:45 PM
No one's saying that it should be reversed in roles. What Alien fans are trying to say to Predator fans (of which the skulls are so thick I'm sort of hoping these two franchises go their seperate ways after this) is that there are better ways to show a Predator hunting Aliens than to just have them stand around and get killed. We know that the Wolf has a scar on his face from acid blood splatter, but given the ineptitude of the creatures as displayed from what we've heard and seen from this film one would think that such a thing would've never happened on the basis that they're too easy to pick off to ever come close enough for that to be an issue.
Yeah what i think if aliens are attacking him one by one then yeah should be able to take a few out, but one of the things though is that he looked to stiff like when the aliens jumped on him its they were jumping into a brick wall. but i agree they shouldnt stand around waiting for there fellow aliens to get killed then attack.
I just watched the "Store Showdown," clip again, and its really embarrassing how badly the Xenos come off. The design is just terrible; the jaw's a joke, the tendons on the face look like wet noodles, the neck's obese, the body looks like a mass of fleshy rubber. Even worse, their behavior is ridiculous: the leap onto Wolf, the hand-clap on Dale's shoulder, (and what the hell was it doing afterward?), the random hissing and spitting...it's just god-awful. I'm a fan of both the alien and the predator, and IMO, neither of them were as damaged by AVP as much as the Xenos look like they'll be in AVP-R...
Nah in avp he preds werent portrayed as there supposed to either.
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 11, 2007, 03:43:39 AM
Aliens can dodge plasma rounds. ;D
;D nah
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Quote from: SiL on Nov 11, 2007, 08:12:18 PM
The Predators in Eternal weren't said to be inexperienced at all. We never learn anything about them outside of what we explicitly see; they could've killed Aliens before for all the comic shows us.
I guess that's debatable but the pointing pred seems to be saying "follow teh alien u nub"
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Quote from: Robotpo on Nov 13, 2007, 03:15:00 AM
the hand-clap on Dale's shoulder
yes...I noticed that too, absolutely awful
Of course Alien fan complaining isn't unwarranted, this movie is about as biased as you can get. The plot, setting, characters, and battles all work in favor of the Predator. Even the Alien design sucks.
There's hardly any reason for fans of the Alien series to even watch this film.
What comic is that first page from with the Predators wasting Aliens? I honestly haven't seen it before.
Has Colin ever mentioned anything on this debate?
Quote from: Dusk on Nov 16, 2007, 09:15:15 PM
What comic is that first page from with the Predators wasting Aliens? I honestly haven't seen it before.
AVP War.
we all know aliens can kill !! they are lethal we all know this!!! BUT BUT In Aliens a team of marines mainly 10 of them killed soo many Aliens.. I am true pred fan but i do respect aliens and enjoy all the films. All i am saying is 5-7 of the main character marines killed off at least 30+ Aliens if not more it seemed like alot... Hudson's last stand he killed like 4 of them in a couple seconds just firing his gun before he was killed. I dont see why its weird in the preview we see Wolf kill a handful of aliens. Wolf could eliminate the entire squad of marines from aliens with relative ease in the right environment so i dont see why alien fans think its not possible.
Quote from: PredClanLeadrr85 on Nov 16, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
we all know aliens can kill !! they are lethal we all know this!!! BUT BUT In Aliens a team of marines mainly 10 of them killed soo many Aliens.. I am true pred fan but i do respect aliens and enjoy all the films. All i am saying is 5-7 of the main character marines killed off at least 30+ Aliens if not more it seemed like alot... Hudson's last stand he killed like 4 of them in a couple seconds just firing his gun before he was killed. I dont see why its weird in the preview we see Wolf kill a handful of aliens. Wolf could eliminate the entire squad of marines from aliens with relative ease in the right environment so i dont see why alien fans think its not possible.
Buddy weve tried telling them that but they still moan.
Quote from: PredClanLeadrr85 on Nov 16, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
we all know aliens can kill !! they are lethal we all know this!!! BUT BUT In Aliens a team of marines mainly 10 of them killed soo many Aliens.. I am true pred fan but i do respect aliens and enjoy all the films. All i am saying is 5-7 of the main character marines killed off at least 30+ Aliens if not more it seemed like alot... Hudson's last stand he killed like 4 of them in a couple seconds just firing his gun before he was killed. I dont see why its weird in the preview we see Wolf kill a handful of aliens. Wolf could eliminate the entire squad of marines from aliens with relative ease in the right environment so i dont see why alien fans think its not possible.
(1) The Marines killed a lot fewer than you might think. It's a superficial view. You have to take into consideration confirmed deaths we actually see (plus, the high number seen on the motion tracker closing in around Ripley and Hicks, later on in the story). Even the one Vasquez shot was still at least moving after. It might have merely been stunned and little more.
(2) Elite Predators? Great! But if they're going up against opponents who go into paralysis, they're not going to look very elite. What's frustrating so many is not that the Predator is killing so much, it's that the supposed opposition isn't putting up much of a fight, even in circumstances when it has every opportunity to do.
(3) Predators could kill Colonial Marines, sure. But the opposite could also be said to be true.
Predator fans have a mental block when it comes to certain things. Arguing with them with logic and canonical points is useless, I've learned that much.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 16, 2007, 11:44:02 PM
(1) The Marines killed a lot fewer than you might think. It's a superficial view. You have to take into consideration confirmed deaths we actually see (plus, the high number seen on the motion tracker closing in around Ripley and Hicks, later on in the story). Even the one Vasquez shot was still at least moving after. It might have merely been stunned and little more.
So true...I love how everyone assumes they are kills...if memory serves me right the only confirmed kills in
Aliens are by way of Smartgun, Sentry Guns, and shotgun in mouth (which are maybe a total of 10-15 kills, 20-25 if you want to give the Sentry Gun kills that many), you clearly see the aliens blown to pieces by those weapons...the Pulse Rifle and sidearm hits are questionable, if you watch closely all the bullets fired at a distance from these two weapons spark on impact, call me crazy but when a bullet sparks on contact with any object, it can only imply two things; A. it bounced off, or B. fragmentation of the round (in which case the kinetic energy of the round itself is lessened)...never does the movie show penetration by these rounds, except for two point-blank range hits; ergo, the Vasquez getting wounded scene and Hicks' acid spray in the elevator, and as Xenomorphine pointed out, the alien that Vasquez shot in the head was still alive, just wounded and completely out of the fight...
Quote from: Gates on Nov 17, 2007, 12:15:14 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 16, 2007, 11:44:02 PM
(1) The Marines killed a lot fewer than you might think. It's a superficial view. You have to take into consideration confirmed deaths we actually see (plus, the high number seen on the motion tracker closing in around Ripley and Hicks, later on in the story). Even the one Vasquez shot was still at least moving after. It might have merely been stunned and little more.
So true...I love how everyone assumes they are kills...if memory serves me right the only confirmed kills in Aliens are by way of Smartgun, Sentry Guns, and shotgun in mouth (which are maybe a total of 10-15 kills, 20-25 if you want to give the Sentry Gun kills that many), you clearly see the aliens blown to pieces by those weapons...the Pulse Rifle and sidearm hits are questionable, if you watch closely all the bullets fired at a distance from these two weapons spark on impact, call me crazy but when a bullet sparks on contact with any object, it can only imply two things; A. it bounced off, or B. fragmentation of the round (in which case the kinetic energy of the round itself is lessened)...never does the movie show penetration by these rounds, except for two point-blank range hits; ergo, the Vasquez getting wounded scene and Hicks' acid spray in the elevator, and as Xenomorphine pointed out, the alien that Vasquez shot in the head was still alive, just wounded and completely out of the fight...
So true, my friend. So true.
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 16, 2007, 11:57:23 PM
Predator fans have a mental block when it comes to certain things. Arguing with them with logic and canonical points is useless, I've learned that much.
I hear ya. It's disturbingly true. I learned the HARD way. :-\
im a pred fan more than alien but seriously i feel bad for the aliens they totally make them seem like
"bugs" rather then the menacing sob's they were in the old movies. seriously who wouldn't wanna see a new alien movie. even if not done right its their movie so they'd be kickin arse. i think it would make so much money it would be ridiculous
Quote from: Janke on Nov 17, 2007, 05:54:00 AM
im a pred fan more than alien but seriously i feel bad for the aliens they totally make them seem like
"bugs" rather then the menacing sob's they were in the old movies. seriously who wouldn't wanna see a new alien movie. even if not done right its their movie so they'd be kickin arse. i think it would make so much money it would be ridiculous
It might not make as much as the avp movies, thats why there making them....for the greens
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Nov 17, 2007, 06:00:23 AM
Quote from: Janke on Nov 17, 2007, 05:54:00 AM
im a pred fan more than alien but seriously i feel bad for the aliens they totally make them seem like
"bugs" rather then the menacing sob's they were in the old movies. seriously who wouldn't wanna see a new alien movie. even if not done right its their movie so they'd be kickin arse. i think it would make so much money it would be ridiculous
It might not make as much as the avp movies, thats why there making them....for the greens
but dont u think making both predator and alien seperate movies would make bundles of money i just think it would be awsome to have them both in their own
Quote from: Janke on Nov 17, 2007, 06:02:26 AM
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Nov 17, 2007, 06:00:23 AM
Quote from: Janke on Nov 17, 2007, 05:54:00 AM
im a pred fan more than alien but seriously i feel bad for the aliens they totally make them seem like
"bugs" rather then the menacing sob's they were in the old movies. seriously who wouldn't wanna see a new alien movie. even if not done right its their movie so they'd be kickin arse. i think it would make so much money it would be ridiculous
It might not make as much as the avp movies, thats why there making them....for the greens
but dont u think making both predator and alien seperate movies would make bundles of money i just think it would be awsome to have them both in their own
well if they thought that, they would be makin a pred 3.....and keepin the aliens series goin, but it wont makealot of money if guys like paul anderson direct it......but AVP crossover are makin more money then the single franchise movies.
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Nov 17, 2007, 06:08:01 AM
Quote from: Janke on Nov 17, 2007, 06:02:26 AM
Quote from: PredatorBruth on Nov 17, 2007, 06:00:23 AM
Quote from: Janke on Nov 17, 2007, 05:54:00 AM
im a pred fan more than alien but seriously i feel bad for the aliens they totally make them seem like
"bugs" rather then the menacing sob's they were in the old movies. seriously who wouldn't wanna see a new alien movie. even if not done right its their movie so they'd be kickin arse. i think it would make so much money it would be ridiculous
It might not make as much as the avp movies, thats why there making them....for the greens
but dont u think making both predator and alien seperate movies would make bundles of money i just think it would be awsome to have them both in their own
well if they thought that, they would be makin a pred 3.....and keepin the aliens series goin, but it wont makealot of money if guys like paul anderson direct it......but AVP crossover are makin more money then the single franchise movies.
man one day hopefully well see them on their own again when they finally hit a brick wall. so whos up for tom welling as supes lol hahaha
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 16, 2007, 11:44:02 PM
Quote from: PredClanLeadrr85 on Nov 16, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
we all know aliens can kill !! they are lethal we all know this!!! BUT BUT In Aliens a team of marines mainly 10 of them killed soo many Aliens.. I am true pred fan but i do respect aliens and enjoy all the films. All i am saying is 5-7 of the main character marines killed off at least 30+ Aliens if not more it seemed like alot... Hudson's last stand he killed like 4 of them in a couple seconds just firing his gun before he was killed. I dont see why its weird in the preview we see Wolf kill a handful of aliens. Wolf could eliminate the entire squad of marines from aliens with relative ease in the right environment so i dont see why alien fans think its not possible.
(1) The Marines killed a lot fewer than you might think. It's a superficial view. You have to take into consideration confirmed deaths we actually see (plus, the high number seen on the motion tracker closing in around Ripley and Hicks, later on in the story). Even the one Vasquez shot was still at least moving after. It might have merely been stunned and little more.
(2) Elite Predators? Great! But if they're going up against opponents who go into paralysis, they're not going to look very elite. What's frustrating so many is not that the Predator is killing so much, it's that the supposed opposition isn't putting up much of a fight, even in circumstances when it has every opportunity to do.
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-------I really don't think the opposite could be true. I don't know anyone on here who wants to try to debate and say the marines from Aliens could have a chance agaisnt wolf. They were frantic, shooting wildly at air when trying to kill Aliens. They were shooting almost all around them in every which direction. The Aliens are stealthy ,but they dont cloak either like a Predator. I think if marines were to fight a Predator it would go down kinda like in PREDATOR 2 when the team was massacred inside that freezer shed. Or in AVP when they were walking down the corridor and Predator was next to the statue. A skilled Predator would have killed every one of them in minutes. Marines have strong weaponry ,but it won't do them much when they can't see what there fighting. Plus if they acted anything like they did in Aliens they wouldn't have the dicipline or focus to even cause the Predator harm... he would just watch them as the yelled, shooting the walls , until he decided to shoot his spear gun, shoulder cannons, disc, or maybe just set a trap. hmm we never seen what a disc could do when thrown at a group of people... considering he's only those it a individual objects....
They were panicked and frantic because they had limited supplies and were up against a larger number of foes who could use the environment better than them.
Give them adequate supplies and a half-way competent leader, and a Predator is screwed. Motion tracker tells them where it is, weapons' fire does the rest.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2007, 12:14:05 AM
They were panicked and frantic because they had limited supplies and were up against a larger number of foes who could use the environment better than them.
Give them adequate supplies and a half-way competent leader, and a Predator is screwed. Motion tracker tells them where it is, weapons' fire does the rest.
You can't shoot what you can't see. The Aliens showed this. And a Predator is literally invisible.
But the cloak isn't perfect. If the tracker shows you the right way to look, and you're looking for a distortion, then you'll see the Predator.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 18, 2007, 12:19:24 AM
But the cloak isn't perfect. If the tracker shows you the right way to look, and you're looking for a distortion, then you'll see the Predator.
If the marines use the tracker like in Aliens tiptoeing and looking down at it every two seconds the will be dead before they even know there reading it right. Usually the environment in both Alien and Predator movies have given the preferred environment to the pred/alien. In Predator jungle easy to blend in and in Aliens a dark environment where they could be stealthy. Billy stared into the trees for a while when he saw a distortion and so did Harrigan on top of the building in P2. They stared long enough until they believed they were actually seeing things. I can say thats a pretty good cloak. Im sure predator will just stand there waving his arms saying "here i am". In P2 the team knew the Predator was in the same room... the command module said he's right there!!!, above u to the left!! they basically had a motion tracker relaying info to the team and they saw nothing coming. So as for your motion trackerss.. they kinda already moved useless in P2...
Except when you've got a group of people, one guy can look at the tracker, and everyone else can look where he tells them to.
Which can work both for and against them. "He's to your left! No, your other left! Her right your left!"
Quote from: Bio Mech Hunter on Nov 17, 2007, 04:33:48 AM
Quote from: superunknown on Nov 16, 2007, 11:57:23 PM
Predator fans have a mental block when it comes to certain things. Arguing with them with logic and canonical points is useless, I've learned that much.
I hear ya. It's disturbingly true. I learned the HARD way. :-\
So true, so very disturbingly and unfortunately true.
:-[
Quote from: Noir-Gojira on Nov 18, 2007, 12:37:25 AM
Which can work both for and against them. "He's to your left! No, your other left! Her right your left!"
God bless the clock system of direction.
Oh!! Watch your six!! What six, am or pm?
hahaha
Just a question: Has anyone here seen the films or read the historical books Zulu Dawn and Zulu?
I love Zulu (the flick with Stanley Baker and Michael Caine).
Quote from: SM on Nov 19, 2007, 11:07:56 PM
I love Zulu (the flick with Stanley Baker and Michael Caine).
Zulu (1964) and Zulu Dawn (1979) were 2 films - that were roughly historically accurate - about 2 consecutive battles between the Brits and the Zulus. Brits has the technology, Zulus had the numbers and both battles had completely different results