So we are getting a Marvel Omnibus collection of Aliens
Aliens Omnibus Vol 1
This guy is legit and has sources at Marvel's collected editions department.
A marvel omnibus is an oversized affair,
Collects: Aliens (1988) #1–6, Aliens (1989) #1–4, Aliens: Earth War (1990) #1–4, Aliens: Genocide (1991) #1–4, Aliens: Hive (1992) #1-4, Aliens: Tribes (1992), Aliens: Newt's Tale (1992) #1-2, Alien 3 (1992) #1-3, Aliens: Space Marines (1992) #1-12 plus material from: Dark Horse Presents (1986) #24, 42-43, 56; Dark Horse Presents Fifth Anniversary Special (1991) #1 and Dark Horse Insider (1989) #14-27.
Releasing April 2021
No idea what Space Marines is but super happy to finally be getting
Aliens: Countdown reprinted.
"Because God knows Alien 3 didn't deliver." ::)
Looking forward to this. Going to be nice having all of this material collected in one premium format hardcover edition. I only have one Marvel Omnibus collection, myself (the complete collection of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's Doctor Strange run) and it is an incredibly well-formatted book.
This is the first time move adaptations are getting adapted alongside the standard Aliens comic titles, isn't it?
Also, pretty sure that Aliens: Space Marines series he's calling a "maxi-series" is actually the Kenner material, since the Aliens: Colonial Marines maxi-series was cut down from 12 issues to 10. The Kenner stuff comes to 12 issues if you don't count the thirteenth AVP one, which will most likely be in an AVP Omnibus collection instead.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2020, 07:57:27 PM
"Because God knows Alien 3 didn't deliver." ::)
Looking forward to this. Going to be nice having all of this material collected in one premium format hardcover edition. I only have one Marvel Omnibus collection, myself (the complete collection of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's Doctor Strange run) and it is an incredibly well-formatted book.
That is a nice collection. Marvel produce an excellent binding.
I reckon we'll get at least one of these omnibus' a year based on how quickly Marvel pumped out Star Wars and Conan stuff when they re acquired the license
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 19, 2020, 07:57:27 PM
This is the first time move adaptations are getting adapted alongside the standard Aliens comic titles, isn't it?
Also, pretty sure that Aliens: Space Marines series he's calling a "maxi-series" is actually the Kenner material, since the Aliens: Colonial Marines maxi-series was cut down from 12 issues to 10. The Kenner stuff comes to 12 issues if you don't count the thirteenth AVP one, which will most likely be in an AVP Omnibus collection instead.
I believe it is the first time they will be collected with the other content.
Oh yeah. I forgot about those, that will be cool if it is the Kenner comics
Are they reprinting Countdown? I didn't see that in the info.
Would be pretty amazing, I heard that Dark Horse was missing the art or something in order to republish it.
I do have both parts of the story, its a good one.
Countdown was originally published in Dark Horse Insider 14-27.
Awesome nice! I had no idea lol, I have it in the Aliens UK MAG issues.
Now I have to find Dark Horse Insider issues lol
I hope the oversized affair means oversized pages!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 19, 2020, 09:05:09 PM
I hope the oversized affair means oversized pages!
It does indeed. Although, not as large as the recent Dark Horse fancy pants releases.
A Marvel Omni is a little over 29cm tall where as a standard trade is just shy of 26cm tall.
The recent 'Library' sized releases from Dark Horse (Things like 'The Original Comics Series' line) are almost 32cm tall.
I just looked up Dark Horse Insider and I am kinda bummed I have to get these now too, well atleast the ones featuring my favorite monsters. Looks like Volume 1 will be as impossible as Aliens UK Mag Volume 1, DHI Volume 2 looks pretty easy to get.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 19, 2020, 09:07:26 PM
I just looked up Dark Horse Insider and I am kinda bummed I have to get these now too, well atleast the ones featuring my favorite monsters. Looks like Volume 1 will be as impossible as Aliens UK Mag Volume 1, DHI Volume 2 looks pretty easy to get.
Took me years to find each of those DHI issues containing Countdown. More rare than UK Vol 1. I suggest setting some alerts on eBay. Depending on the criteria for your collection, the last DHI Vol 1 issue had a new two page AvP advertisement spread.
It is weird to see Countdown finally being reprinted. Even weirder to see it alongside the Kenner comics if true...
Is this all in one volume? It's going to look like a phone book.
I wouldn't mind that. Easier to kill bugs with it
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2020, 07:10:20 AM
Is this all in one volume? It's going to look like a phone book.
It's absolutely going to be one book. Marvel Omnibuses are BIG.
Tribes!
Sold.
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2020, 07:10:20 AM
Is this all in one volume? It's going to look like a phone book.
This will be an average marvel omnibus. Some are unwieldily lol
Yeah, they've won me over already! I've already got a copy of Tribes sat on my shelf, but to reintroduce this to everyone else! First ever reprints of Newt's Tale, Alien 3, and Countdown! f**king Countdown!!!! And Space Marines?!?! What a random ass choice that I absolutely f**king love! Yeah, Marvel, you've got me. Now impress me with your first original run.
You guys can be sure that Predator will follow shortly after.
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 19, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
Collects: Aliens (1988) #1–6, Aliens (1989) #1–4
Is this: "Aliens: Outbreak/Book One" and "Aliens: Nightmare Asylum"?
Quote from: Drukathi on Aug 20, 2020, 09:15:16 AM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 19, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
Collects: Aliens (1988) #1–6, Aliens (1989) #1–4
Is this: "Aliens: Outbreak/Book One" and "Aliens: Nightmare Asylum"?
Yeah thats correct.
One other thing to note is that Marvel always print the covers for the individual issues at the beginning of each issue. So that is another positive
how do you know that the dates indicate black and white for outbreak, hicks and newt instead of wilks and billie.
aliens essentials vol 1 had the correct dates but outbreak was in color
Hopefully it's OG black and white Hix 'n Noot.
Or maybe it's what Hicks has been begging for ages (since 2010 IIRC) - they'll re-color them with a modern aproach to colors in mind
Nelson's art was perfectly good in black and white.
(Continuity error with one of the deaths of one of the soldiers aside)
Just saying. I wouldn't mind it B&W
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 20, 2020, 10:44:56 AM
Or maybe it's what Hicks has been begging for ages (since 2010 IIRC) - they'll re-color them with a modern aproach to colors in mind
That's for AvP! Not Aliens. Black and white is perfect for me!
Quote from: Athan Samaras on Aug 20, 2020, 10:28:24 AM
how do you know that the dates indicate black and white for outbreak, hicks and newt instead of wilks and billie.
aliens essentials vol 1 had the correct dates but outbreak was in color
I'll check the dates in those announcements. Granted, it is assumption on my part. Based on the dates and the titles.
This a really nice collection! Take my money!
I bet since Marvel has the rights to the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses that they're gonna edit all the swearing and probably even water down the gore too since Marvel is basically for kids and for us adults who grew up in the late 80s into the 90s collecting the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses.
Ok. I won't lie in saying I was non too plussed about Marvel getting (the inevitable) ownership rights. Had a lot of allegiance to DH since 1990 but I must admit that is an impressive way to get things going.
I own the first 3 series in various formats already however like others had said Newts Tale, Countdown and co probably means I'll have to get this too.
I wonder what royalties Dark Horse gets for these reprints of their original work. Even if they don't hold the license to the characters, I believe they still have some rights to sales of their original work. And the artists, if anything.
Maybe nothing, I know very little about merchandising.
Quote from: Alien fan on Aug 20, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
I bet since Marvel has the rights to the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses that they're gonna edit all the swearing and probably even water down the gore too since Marvel is basically for kids and for us adults who grew up in the late 80s into the 90s collecting the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses.
Nah. Just check out Marvel's MAX line as an example of Marvel pushing that kind of content well past what you would expect. I don't think Marvel is going to alter any of this content at all. Also, for what its worth, I don't remember all that much explicit swearing in most of the DH stuff.
I'd put money on the OG black and white.
I would guess B&W as well. The art looked stunning in the Fancy Pantz hardcover that Darkhorse released in B&W
Yeah, it would be silly at alter the original black and white artwork.
Quote from: Alien fan on Aug 20, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
I bet since Marvel has the rights to the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses that they're gonna edit all the swearing and probably even water down the gore too since Marvel is basically for kids and for us adults who grew up in the late 80s into the 90s collecting the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses.
I see this a lot online and it only proves to me that nobody is actually reading what they put on shelves. Here's a few examples of what Marvel does to an Avenger every month.
(Cover for Immortal Hulk)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQNcYAjF5LLhWtpMW3yrSlxqHOvtGPO4oPVxw&usqp=CAU)
(https://i.redd.it/brqdsnjsvab41.png)
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/f8/Carl_Creel_%28Earth-616%29_and_Bruce_Banner_%28Earth-616%29_from_Immortal_Hulk_Vol_1_9_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181206191309)
Aside from that and how Xemnu eats, over in the Spider-man books they had Carnage ripping people's spines out and when he wasn't doing it his buddies (one of them a deformed Spider-man clone) was doing it.
(https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Doppelganger-in-Cult-of-Carnage-Comic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370)
Hank Pym (currently Ultron) also now lopks like this)
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/6K1LoefCFZP37nrDjx4KTMwEh2E=/0x0:837x557/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:837x557):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11669011/hank.jpg)
I think I have enough images so to sum up why the gore statement is dumb. But aside from that, Deadpool does this shit on the regular and Captain America was recently replaced with a Nazi doppelganger of himself who'd been CAPTAIN AMERICA for about a year or so. The violence is present and Marvel despite being owned by Disney is ballsy enough to do this and all the images here are from books more or less within the last 5 years or so.
Immortal Hulk is so F***ing fantastic
For someone who's just recently started reading and collecting the books and comics, this is great news! There's so many different variants and I had a hard time choosing which route to go. I did pick up the first two volumes of the omnibus Aliens comics but will wait for these releases.
I wouldn't mind if they got through all of their omnibus releases of existing content before producing new material. Not sure what their norm is, but I expect a deluge of issues, crossovers and variants once they start that train.
Yeah the Marvel Omnibus collections, at least the ones I've seen, always start with the issue cover prior to the start of each issue. Not sure how they handle variants, since the ones I've read are older comics that predate variant editions really being the norm.
Alternate covers are usually collected in a gallery in the rear of the book.
As I got all omnibious books from Dark horse I dont really see any reason to buy this, and witht he essential books 1 and 2 I have the stories in this marvel colection already in bigger size. Colonial marines were in one of these dark horse collections too, so besides countdown story which I dont have much info about, what am I missing?
It's not colonial marines that collected here.
It's the Kenner comics
Wasn't there a mini comic published with an ALIEN portfolio? I may be remembering this wrong but I think so. I know I own it but where in storage I have no idea.
I'm actually pretty excited about Countdown and Alien 3. While I'm all for seeing a new film replacing Alien 3 as a continuation to Aliens, I do like Alien 3 and I certainly liked the comic adaptation. I always felt it was regrettable that the 3 comics comprising Alien 3 were never released as a single volume. I still hope that will happen some day, and it would be preferred than this omnibus. Omnibi are tough to read due to their weight.
Alien 3, isnt that the alien 3 comic adaptation of the movie?
(https://d3au0sjxgpdyfv.cloudfront.net/a-1541913-oci3gqta6mvqyx3k.jpg)
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Aug 20, 2020, 07:38:53 PM
Wasn't there a mini comic published with an ALIEN portfolio? I may be remembering this wrong but I think so. I know I own it but where in storage I have no idea.
Yes, and I believe that was the same short story included in DHP #24, which is a part of this Omnibus. That one has been re releases many times in various collections in addition to the mini comic you mentioned. It's a cool tie-in to the original series, very glad it's being included.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 20, 2020, 08:53:39 PM
Alien 3, isnt that the alien 3 comic adaptation of the movie?
(https://d3au0sjxgpdyfv.cloudfront.net/a-1541913-oci3gqta6mvqyx3k.jpg)
Yep. Not a bad little adaptation, but ultimately too short to amount to much. The
Resurrection one was even shorter, which was unfortunate 'cause I really liked the animated art style that one had.
Alright, well have them in original prints so it seems I have then most things in that collection, no labyrinth or inhuman condition? Guess I will wait and see if they release them in a collection, might get it then.
It looks like they're going in release order, so that stuff will most likely be coming in a later volume, I'd imagine.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 20, 2020, 08:53:39 PM
Alien 3, isnt that the alien 3 comic adaptation of the movie?
(https://d3au0sjxgpdyfv.cloudfront.net/a-1541913-oci3gqta6mvqyx3k.jpg)
Ya. I loved this thing! Not many people do, but I liked the vibe with the black framing and the colours that captured the film.
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 19, 2020, 09:01:13 PM
Countdown was originally published in Dark Horse Insider 14-27.
How many parts were in that?
It was 14 parts but it was very short parts. Enough to fill two issues when they saw their only reprint in the UK mag.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2020, 09:17:21 PM
Quote from: judge death on Aug 20, 2020, 08:53:39 PM
Alien 3, isnt that the alien 3 comic adaptation of the movie?
(https://d3au0sjxgpdyfv.cloudfront.net/a-1541913-oci3gqta6mvqyx3k.jpg)
Yep. Not a bad little adaptation, but ultimately too short to amount to much. The Resurrection one was even shorter, which was unfortunate 'cause I really liked the animated art style that one had.
I recently went out of my way to buy those Alien: Resurrection comics. Ugh. I went in with low expectations and still the comics somehow managed to slide beneath them...
The Resurrection adaptation was better than the Alien 3 one.
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 20, 2020, 10:22:34 PM
It was 14 parts but it was very short parts. Enough to fill two issues when they saw their only reprint in the UK mag.
Really? That's quite substantial then! I thought it was just a few short stories. Really looking forward to this more than anything.
Den Beauvais said he did these in B&W.
Quote from: SM on Aug 20, 2020, 10:27:17 PM
The Resurrection adaptation was better than the Alien 3 one.
You're certainly entitled to that opinion. I don't share it.
They are B&W as far as I am aware.
Neither the Alien 3 or Alien: Resurrection adaptations are particularly good, but they're both masterpieces compared to Aliens: Newt's Tale. :D
The only adaptation I've actually liked is Alien: The Illustrated Story. I guess Titan must still have the publishing rights for that, otherwise it would have been fun to see in this collection.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 20, 2020, 10:33:56 PM
Neither the Alien 3 or Alien: Resurrection adaptations are particularly good, but they're both masterpieces compared to Aliens: Newt's Tale. :D
The only adaptation I've actually liked is Alien: The Illustrated Story. I guess Titan must still have the publishing rights for that, otherwise it would have been fun to see in this collection.
Alien: The Illustrated Story is a masterpiece. It goes way beyond what anyone could expect as an adaptation.
Marvel had an excellent relationship with Walt Dimonson and Archie Goodwin... who knows?
Ideally, Marvel should readapt Aliens. They readapted the original Star Wars, so it could happen in recognition of it being a master-work...
So the big question is will they include that extra panel in series 2 (done years later by Denis B showing Spears admiring a Xeno in a stasis pod) or not. I've mentioned this in other posts how the original DH omnibus included it and then the big collected reprint from a year or so ago didn't.
That was a blunder wasn't it?
They did include it in the Essential Comics volume which was cool, but most of the covers were then missing. Oh Dark Horse. Just never could quite fully satisfy the fan...
That will be very telling of Marvel though won't it? That they dug up the Kenner stuff and found the rare lost Den Beauvais work from Countdown speaks volumes. Someone over there really gives a f@&k and that is encouraging..
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 20, 2020, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 20, 2020, 10:22:34 PM
It was 14 parts but it was very short parts. Enough to fill two issues when they saw their only reprint in the UK mag.
Really? That's quite substantial then! I thought it was just a few short stories. Really looking forward to this more than anything.
Den Beauvais said he did these in B&W.
They were included in those two issues, but did not make up the entirety of those issues. They were inserts.
Countdown was made up of individual pages in each issue of Dark Horse Insider. It's very much a short story, about half the size of a normal issue. And beautiful in black and white!
Countdown is great but very short.
Even I'll admit that I'm impressed they are actually going to reprint that story, I had been bugging DH about Countdown for years. I was kinda crushed when it wasn't in the fancy pantz. Even more so than not having the Spears/Alien tube page.
Now if Marvel really wants to blow my socks off, dig up and release Aliens: Matrix :D
What my take-away from all this is, we need more Denis Beauvais.
By Marvel finding Countdown, I am inclined to believe that somebody over there has their finger on the pulse of the Aliens series and its terrific EU history. If they bring in some of the classic greats like Verheiden, Nelson, Beauvais and the new classics like Tristan Jones, Marvel will something amazing.
Now if we could also get some more tight film adaptations, proper re-coloring (re-mastering) of some master-works, and lots of alternate tales like DH was doing towards the end, I am fully on board.
Quote from: Alien fan on Aug 20, 2020, 12:47:41 PM
I bet since Marvel has the rights to the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses that they're gonna edit all the swearing and probably even water down the gore too since Marvel is basically for kids and for us adults who grew up in the late 80s into the 90s collecting the Alien and Predator comics from Dark Horses.
I'm guessing you've never seen the PunisherMAX runs. They don't tone down SHIT. This'll be left alone and will be for mature readers.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 21, 2020, 12:51:23 AM
Countdown is great but very short.
Even I'll admit that I'm impressed they are actually going to reprint that story, I had been bugging DH about Countdown for years. I was kinda crushed when it wasn't in the fancy pantz. Even more so than not having the Spears/Alien tube page.
Now if Marvel really wants to blow my socks off, dig up and release Aliens: Matrix :D
I would wet myself lol
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/aliens-omnibus-volume-1-collects-the-original-alien-comics?linkId=97747591
Marvel officially announced. The actual Omnibus will have brand new cover art by Greg Land.
The Nelson cover is the direct market variant.
A bit harder to get as they normally sell out quick and you cant get direct market variants from the likes of Amazon.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 21, 2020, 07:20:21 AM
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/aliens-omnibus-volume-1-collects-the-original-alien-comics?linkId=97747591
Marvel officially announced. The actual Omnibus will have brand new cover art by Greg Land.
From what I can tell quick-searching his artwork on Google - its pretty standard super-hero stuff AKA "Over-muscled men and hot chicks". Not sure how well it will suit Alien
I'd be happy with something from Beauvais or Plunkett or Dorman or St. Jones instead - someone who already left his mark on EU
Greg Land is not well liked in the comic fandom due to him being accused of tracing. I cant say i like him too much myself, i find his work lifeless and static.
The Nelson DM variant is the one for me here so ill be going for that.
Sounds good and I would be willing to switch out my old Dark Horse omnibuses (the ugly white ones).
They have binding problems as well, hope this has quality bindings.
I'd managed to get away with no binding issues for a while with those, but the last time I cracked one open it started to come undone. :'(
That's always going to happen to glued paperbacks with a large page count.
I have noticed that being in the direct sunlight might be a factor in them breaking apart (also the colors fading).
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 21, 2020, 08:11:20 AM
Greg Land is not well liked in the comic fandom due to him being accused of tracing. I cant say i like him too much myself, i find his work lifeless and static.
The Nelson DM variant is the one for me here so ill be going for that.
I wasn't familiar with his stuff so had a look and at the tracing stuff.
He'll probably use this...
(https://i.redd.it/ov3i0ef306u31.png)
I'm curious about the tracing. I see stacks of art on Facebook that some people rave about that's obviously been traced from a still. Drawing, shading and colouring all require some skill and talent. Using photos or models as reference - yep, completely fair. Alien and Predator comic scripts suggest certain toys for artists to use (and are some times too obvious).
Tracing just seems like cheating.
When an artist traces, although I can appreciate that the is still some skill required in the rendering and what not, the images always seem lifeless.
And good call on that image SM :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 21, 2020, 08:20:46 AM
I'd managed to get away with no binding issues for a while with those, but the last time I cracked one open it started to come undone. :'(
I recently looked through mine to find the
Berserker comic and the crackling was one of the most stress-inducing sounds I've heard in a long time.
Ultimately my issue with Greg Land is his tracing and recycling of said tracings. Land is also known for tracing from porn and once you see it, you can't un-see it. Ultimate Marvel is filled with examples of this.
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(https://i.imgur.com/xTnFkBY.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bshNOtERfVI/hqdefault.jpg)
(https://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/phototrace1.jpg)
I get that he's going to be on the cover but I feel like that's an immense downgrade from any number of talented artists. At least it's not Rob Liefeld but that's a big oof they got Land.
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
He'll probably use this...
(https://i.redd.it/ov3i0ef306u31.png)
:-X
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ov3i0ef306u31.png)
Funnily enough someone actually traced that one for one of L&D comics
Found it
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Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Aug 21, 2020, 12:41:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xTnFkBY.jpg)
:D
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 21, 2020, 01:42:47 PM
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2020, 10:52:00 AM
(https://i.redd.it/ov3i0ef306u31.png)
Funnily enough someone actually traced that one for one of L&D comics
Found it
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/wDGNsYoss_axHUlCexeeYjQA4tRd1flfTFPdmV8X4sQMUYyBQxo8u8oboek_x6yPmN-Nze35t2An=s1600)
(https://d13ezvd6yrslxm.cloudfront.net/wp/wp-content/images/aliencovenant-michaelfassbender-screaming.jpg)
It didn't help that Prometheus run (IMO) had the weakest artwork out of all L&D comics. It looks a bit amateur
I haven't read any of that stuff, though I was kind of curious to since it was the only time any prequel-inspired content ever found its way into the comics. It's a shame that that never happened in non-crossover stuff.
I bet that F&S and L&D are eventually collected in a Marvel AVP omnibus down the line.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 21, 2020, 01:51:01 PM
I haven't read any of that stuff, though I was kind of curious to since it was the only time any prequel-inspired content ever found its way into the comics. Its a shame that that never happened in non-crossover stuff.
I'd put Fire & Stone above Life & Death, personally. While L&D has more cohesive vision and straight-forward narrative F&S has more crazy shit and is s all over the place with its story. F&S has more stuff that I like about prequels while L&D feels like Aliens/Predators/AvP comics with Marines and stuff from Prometheus thrown in.
Oh, and artwork in F&S is so much better
I was pretty happy with Life and Death and Fire and Stone. Some great artwork and stories. The introduction of the Prometheus elements was a good fit for both franchises, too bad Fox got in the way of the narrative. Looks like this Marvel omnibus might be a good grab. I like that they're including books that never got republished by Darkhorse. Good start.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 21, 2020, 08:20:46 AM
I'd managed to get away with no binding issues for a while with those, but the last time I cracked one open it started to come undone. :'(
Isnt it possible to just glue it back?
Havent had such issues but then again I refuse to open books and comics fully, only opening the pages halfway max to not strain the back of the book, so far it seems to have preserved my books and comics well. And sun isnt an issue: i hate sun and its always dark in my home :P
You can re glue the bindings, yes.
To the guests - we've nothing wrong with negative opinions. We just like them expressed in mature manners.
Have I missed something ?
Probably some deleted posts.
So yeah, it definitely seems like Marvel is coming out with a big, quality release for their first reprint collection. The inclusion of things like Countdown and the Kenner comics definitely seems to be an indication that they're committed to doing these right. Sounds like it's going to be pretty damn huge as well, which has never been something they've shied away from with their omnibus collections in the past. If it's anything like some of those it's going to take a power loader to lift it up!
I actually had no idea Newt's Tale was so hard to come by these days. It was the first Alien comic I got along with the original AVP, so that's cool that others who might have been curious about it over the years will be able to read it for themselves (even though it's nothing particularly substantial).
But ew about Greg Land though. I guess that means we'll be getting a cover showing someone having an orgasm as they're confronted by an Alien...
Yeeeeep.
But when I think about it - wouldn't it make Giger proud ?
Anyway, if I ever buy Marvel comics drawn by Greg Land
Spoiler
It will be for jerking-off purposes only
Maybe only if they were kissing too.
You can guarantee that the DM variant for the first Predator omnibus will be the first issue's cover. That will look great.
It would be funny if Land put out a career defining original piece of art for the cover lol. :laugh:
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 21, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
It didn't help that Prometheus run (IMO) had the weakest artwork out of all L&D comics. It looks a bit amateur
The writing on L & D promised a lot more than the art delivered.
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 21, 2020, 07:47:02 AM
The Nelson cover is the direct market variant.
A bit harder to get as they normally sell out quick and you cant get direct market variants from the likes of Amazon.
Does anyone know how to go about purchasing direct market variants in the UK? Not really a fan of Lands art.
Quote from: RhubarbLeaves on Aug 22, 2020, 03:26:20 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 21, 2020, 07:47:02 AM
The Nelson cover is the direct market variant.
A bit harder to get as they normally sell out quick and you cant get direct market variants from the likes of Amazon.
Does anyone know how to go about purchasing direct market variants in the UK? Not really a fan of Lands art.
From a comic store or online from the likes of forbidden Planet
Quote from: SM on Aug 21, 2020, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 21, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
It didn't help that Prometheus run (IMO) had the weakest artwork out of all L&D comics. It looks a bit amateur
The writing on L & D promised a lot more than the art delivered.
I just received both L&D and F&S in hardcover through the mail. So excited!
I mostly enjoyed F&S, some really great art in places. L&D was just okay, pretty bland art for the most part. The predator run for L&D was my favorite of that series.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 22, 2020, 08:38:48 PM
I mostly enjoyed F&S, some really great art in places. L&D was just okay, pretty bland art for the most part. The predator run for L&D was my favorite of that series.
I liked F&S fairly well, and increasingly so with time. I never read F&S, and stayed off the forum topics related to it, but from what I gather, it's pretty bad. So I am going in with lowered expectations. Maybe that will help make the series better...
Am, you mean L&D ?
OK. I wouldn't call L&D bad. I'd call it more "generic" and "tamed" in vomparision to F&S
I wouldn't call it bad by any stretch either. I just remember reading the scripts thinking "this is going to be so epic" and it kinda wasn't.
And I shall try to use the word vomparison (comparing two things in regards to how much they make one want to spew) in a sentence sometime this week.
:D I'm not editing this one out !
Rumour has it that I've invented word "froward" as well
Anyone familiar with how far Marvel spreads out successive omnibi? I'm very interested in see what's in the second volume, which should cover the unfinished Crusade story.
Quote from: Rambo on Aug 23, 2020, 11:28:00 PM
Anyone familiar with how far Marvel spreads out successive omnibi? I'm very interested in see what's in the second volume, which should cover the unfinished Crusade story.
Usually an Omnibus is centered around a certain run or a certain creative team. This is a bit different, being a licensed property, and it looks like they are just lumping things by release order chronologically. I'd guess each one will be roughly the same length, page count wise. Not quite sure exactly how deep into things that would go for Volume 2...
Does anyone here have a copy of The Compleat Aliens? I could have had it for a couple hundred dollars 5 or 6 years ago. I see it going for $1,000-$2500 now. :o
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 24, 2020, 12:38:11 AM
Does anyone here have a copy of The Compleat Aliens? I could have had it for a couple hundred dollars 5 or 6 years ago. I see it going for $1,000-$2500 now. :o
I've seen those listings sit on eBay at those prices for a long time. Feels like 5+ years. I think I've seen the book sell for a few hundred over the last couple years, but those listings are few and far between. I never picked one up.
That would be a nice piece for the collection. I hear tell there is original artwork inside.
Props to Marvel for anthologizing stuff that hasn't been collected yet, like Tribes, Alien 3, Newt's Tale. Cool idea.
It's nice to know that they're starting off on a good note with such a good collection of stories. I'm actually more excited to see what else comes of the new Marvel deal
I agree. I can't understand why for so many years, Dark Horse ignored requests to compile some of these great stories.
Countdown!! Countdown man! We get Countdown! Like real Den Beauvais work!! The legends are true!
Quote from: Chaplain of Slam on Aug 25, 2020, 05:45:24 PM
It's nice to know that they're starting off on a good note with such a good collection of stories. I'm actually more excited to see what else comes of the new Marvel deal
I'm very skeptical of
the big acquisition, but I'm trying to be optimistic that Marvel/Disney will give the Alien & Predator franchises the attention they deserve. There has been a relatively continuous stream of movies, books, and games for a while, but in comparison to other media properties out here it feels like almost nothing at times.
If nothing else, these new Marvel anthologies will lower the price of some of the Dark Horse Omnibuses, because a few of mine are damaged and need to be replaced. Or, the DH books will skyrocket in price and I'll have to buy the Marvel ones. :laugh:
I gotta say, I find it kinda strange that after years of Dark Horse apparently being unable to collect stuff like Countdown and the film adaptations, the moment Marvel get the license they're in an omnibus lol.
Hopefully the presence of those stories is a sign they're actually going to be collecting everything. As someone who's not really into comics but has always thought about getting the Alien/Predator titles - partly out of curiosity, but mostly for the sake of completing my collection - this would be such a good opportunity I really couldn't pass it up.
You hear that? That's the sound of all my old omnibuses dropping in value.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 27, 2020, 03:59:17 PM
You hear that? That's the sound of all my old omnibuses dropping in value.
Like you would sell them anyway :D
This one sounds like a gotta-have item. So, looking forward to that.
Quote from: Tichinde on Aug 27, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Aug 27, 2020, 03:59:17 PM
You hear that? That's the sound of all my old omnibuses dropping in value.
Like you would sell them anyway :D
Good point! :D
I didn't get the omnibi from DH because I really disliked the small format. Plus I have everything pretty much... but if I had know how rare they would become I might have tried to collect them
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 27, 2020, 08:35:10 PM
I didn't get the omnibi from DH because I really disliked the small format. Plus I have everything pretty much... but if I had know how rare they would become I might have tried to collect them
Yeah, the size was/is a big negative. Some of the already small fonts were disappointingly hard to read due to the reduction.
I never had a problem with them at the time. I just loved that the majority of series were being collected and easy to access (at the time). Since then I've been buying the new re-releases for the larger sizes, but it didn't diminish how much I appreciated those omnibus.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 28, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
I never had a problem with them at the time. I just loved that the majority of series were being collected and easy to access (at the time). Since then I've been buying the new re-releases for the larger sizes, but it didn't diminish how much I appreciated those omnibus.
There is the completest in me that still wants to find volumes 4 & 5 to complete my Alien Omnibus collection.
No Labryrinth?
...and, Hicks, what were your views on 'Tribes'...?
Quote from: Glaive on Aug 30, 2020, 05:47:53 PMNo Labryrinth?
They seem to be going chronologically.
Labyrinth would be later.
Quote from: Glaive on Aug 30, 2020, 05:47:53 PM
...and, Hicks, what were your views on 'Tribes'...?
It's on my re-read list as it's been a while, but I remember really enjoying it.
As much as we're celebrating the collections, looks like the old creators are now being f**ked over under Marvel.
I can't embed this last one but here's one from the writer of Tribes, who also talks about difficulties getting Tribes made and trying to get a sequel done with Titan (sounds like they were really being dicks to him and Dorman about that one).
https://www.facebook.com/stephen.bissette.7/posts/10160447434898289
There were some comments from Mark Verheiden somewhere but can't see them now.
To be fair, if it's not in the contract then why would Marvel pay?
It's a shame that they won't receive royalties but Marvel (Disney) owns the material so it's business.
Imo creators should always get a royalty when their work is sold for profit. If the laws don't support that then they should.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 31, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
Imo creators should always get a royalty when their work is sold for profit. If the laws don't support that then they should.
Yes!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 31, 2020, 12:04:49 PM
Imo creators should always get a royalty when their work is sold for profit. If the laws don't support that then they should.
Would be great in the ideal world.
Does anyone know if the DH starwars creators were screwed by marvel too?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Glaive on Aug 30, 2020, 05:47:53 PM
...and, Hicks, what were your views on 'Tribes'...?
It's on my re-read list as it's been a while, but I remember really enjoying it.
As much as we're celebrating the collections, looks like the old creators are now being f**ked over under Marvel.
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I can't embed this last one but here's one from the writer of Tribes, who also talks about difficulties getting Tribes made and trying to get a sequel done with Titan (sounds like they were really being dicks to him and Dorman about that one).
https://www.facebook.com/stephen.bissette.7/posts/10160447434898289
There were some comments from Mark Verheiden somewhere but can't see them now.
So if Mark Verheiden is also getting disrespected in this Marvel acquisition, is it fair for him to take umbrage with Titan? Titan doesn't seem to be paying Verheiden for his work that was compiled into an omnibus, nor even giving him credit. I know the books were written by Perry, but they were adaptations of Verheiden's work. How does this happen?
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 31, 2020, 01:30:56 PM
Does anyone know if the DH starwars creators were screwed by marvel too?
From what I read from those guys on FB last night, yes.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 31, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
So if Mark Verheiden is also getting disrespected in this Marvel acquisition, is it fair for him to take umbrage with Titan? Titan doesn't seem to be paying Verheiden for his work that was compiled into an omnibus, nor even giving him credit. I know the books were written by Perry, but they were adaptations of Verheiden's work. How does this happen?
I'm not sure they ever did originally.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2020, 10:57:54 AMAs much as we're celebrating the collections, looks like the old creators are now being f**ked over under Marvel.
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I can't embed this last one but here's one from the writer of Tribes, who also talks about difficulties getting Tribes made and trying to get a sequel done with Titan (sounds like they were really being dicks to him and Dorman about that one).
https://www.facebook.com/stephen.bissette.7/posts/10160447434898289
Those don't seem to be showing up now. Can you remember the gist?
Also really interesting to hear about the
Tribes sequel. The book itself promised more volumes in the same style, yet clearly they never happened.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10159253732394869&id=757949868
This was my first question (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=64233.msg2481076#msg2481076) when this was announced. Sad to see. Hopefully the popularity of these artists' works lead Marvel to offer opportunities for new work from some legacy names.
I don't know why Marvel would be under any obligation to pay them though as the agreement was with another company. Credited sure but I don't know why Marvel would pay them royalties as they have no contract with them. It sucks that they can't still make money on the reprints (if they made anything at all) but I just don't see why Marvel is about to kick down everyone's door to hand them a check. The shit's been around for 30+ years so I have a hard time seeing them track down the old teams to do this even out of the kindness of their own heart.
Marvel is good about getting back older talent though. The company does pick up the old creatives to do new work and to me that'd make more sense to negotiate a contract with them then.
But yeah as much as this sucks I just don't see them paying it given they have no reason to honor that agreement since they're not Darkhorse.
https://twitter.com/NearMintCon/status/1300523827487739904?s=19
From what I've read, I think Dark Horse weren't technically obliged to keep paying them royalties after the work was completed, but they did.
I can see both sides.
It sucks that the artists aren't earning for their work, but at the same time Marvel has no legal obligation to pay them, and that's not Marvel's fault. As others have suggested, in some cases it might even be difficult to work out who they should be paying.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 01, 2020, 06:52:05 AM
https://twitter.com/NearMintCon/status/1300523827487739904?s=19
I knew I would not like the Greg Land cover
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2020, 08:14:40 AM
in some cases it might even be difficult to work out who they should be paying.
It's really not as hard as it's made to sound. Everyone's credited accordingly and many are still receiving royalties.
But Dark Horse wasn't paying everyone royalties to begin with, only a select few. Nelson was getting cheques from the latest reprints -- the guy who wrote
Berserker never saw anything after the series was completed.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2020, 11:20:35 AMIt's really not as hard as it's made to sound. Everyone's credited accordingly and many are still receiving royalties.
To be honest I was mostly thinking of cases where artists may have passed away. I don't really know how royalties work in that scenario.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2020, 11:20:35 AMBut Dark Horse wasn't paying everyone royalties to begin with, only a select few. Nelson was getting cheques from the latest reprints -- the guy who wrote Berserker never saw anything after the series was completed.
That certainly sheds some light on things though.
Marvel is off to a great start...
https://twitter.com/Unkle_Lee44/status/1300803239835770880
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1300804136322002954
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1300825536172683265
Can't not see it now it's been pointed out to me. That's f**king disgraceful. Apparently this guy in particular is known for tracing too. If you want Tristan Jone's art on your covers, hire f**king Tristan Jones.
Yeah, this is really bothering me. Especially given the fact that it is so well documented that Land does this consistently, and Marvel just keeps on hiring him...
Yeah thats terrible, fire this Land guy and get Tristan. What a disgrace, stealing from othe comic artists.
Looks like he forgot the inner jaw too.
I said Land is a tracer at the beginning of this thread lol.
Can't believe he has used a recent piece to steal from. Moron and thief.
Hated his knock off cover as soon as I saw it and now even more so.
So one cover is traced, original artist getting nothing, and the other is artwork from a previous release, original artist getting nothing...nice...
Yep. This book is starting to look like a really shitty presentation overall, despite the quality of the content inside.
Really, really not an impressive way to start your relationship with this IP, Marvel. And an even worse way to start your relationship with these creators.
I was looking forward to collecting these too. I bought up all the digital editions for Alien, AvP and Predator from Comixology to help Dark Horse get some cash but still wanted this for the bookshelf...
Even looks like the right arm is traced and just rotated.
F**cking Greg Land.
This cover needs to be binned and replaced. I'll be getting the DM variant either way.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 01, 2020, 06:23:39 PM
Even looks like the right arm is traced and just rotated.
F**cking Greg Land.
This cover needs to be binned and replaced. I'll be getting the DM variant either way.
Is that up for pre-order yet? I'll probably still cave and get these...I like having physical copies...
Quote from: lightsyder on Sep 01, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 01, 2020, 06:23:39 PM
Even looks like the right arm is traced and just rotated.
F**cking Greg Land.
This cover needs to be binned and replaced. I'll be getting the DM variant either way.
Is that up for pre-order yet? I'll probably still cave and get these...I like having physical copies...
I cant find the preorders yet. They don't normally go for preorder until the solicit has gone out. So i would imagine the preorders will be out when the book is solicited with the December solicits marvel put out later this month.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 01, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
Yeah thats terrible, fire this Land guy and get Tristan. What a disgrace, stealing from othe comic artists.
Looks like he forgot the inner jaw too.
HAhahahaha what did I say about marvel?! xD Shouldnt come as a surprise, afterall in their star wars comics a lot of the space designs are stolen from fans and traced/copied and the art is a let down after the first couple of comics:
This is just the start of things and you can guess how the stories will become. RIP Dark horse, this is one of many reasons Im sceptical about marvel doing aliens comics and will probably skip them and ignore them completely.
Note: Found out that their art they reuse for the collections and marvel releases wont give any money to the original artists or royalitys etc, Im so skipping marvel and sticking to getting my dark horse comics.
On the first look, Land's cover while not great looks decent. And at least he knows whom to steal from - it could've been something from Sam Keith
But on the other hand, as Hicks said if they know fans love Jones art they should've hired him to do covers - he's done great ones for Resistance, Or if they want to go cheap way - why not use that image of Alien David Finch did ? It looks much better IMO.
This certainly leaves sorrow taste in my mouth and now I am as worried about future of Aliens comics as I was when initial news about Marvel getting rights came out
Also, I find it amusing how fast people change their minds about that collection Marvel is doing. I wasn't too thrilled about the idea to begin with and I'm certainly isn't now
I havent changed my mind since the news about marvel and disney taking over xD At best somewhat curious if the collection would go against what I suspected but I was proven right.
Stealing fingers, tail, and dorsal tubes, but f**king up the head. Real nice.
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 01, 2020, 08:01:57 PM
it could've been something from Sam Keith
Hey, Keith's art in
Inhuman Condition is great. :D
But this is just really f**ked up; and the fact that this isn't even a secret, and Land has been doing this for years and comic readers have been pointing it out
for years, just boggles my mind...
Oh, I don't mind Keith's artwork that much. Even in Female War. It has it's own charm. From what I've seen it looks to me he's just not the most popular of artists who worked on Alien EU. Tristan Jones is certainly more popular with majority of fans
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 01, 2020, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 01, 2020, 08:01:57 PM
it could've been something from Sam Keith
Hey, Keith's art in Inhuman Condition is great. :D
But this is just really f**ked up; and the fact that this isn't even a secret, and Land has been doing this for years and comic readers have been pointing it out for years, just boggles my mind...
He must be cheap
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 01, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
Looks like he forgot the inner jaw too.
>:(
It isn't supposed to but this makes me especially mad. What's next - he'll forget to draw dreadlocks on Predator ?
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 01, 2020, 08:38:16 PM
Oh, I don't mind Keith's artwork that much. Even in Female War. It has it's own charm. From what I've seen it looks to me he's just not the most popular of artists who worked on Alien EU. Tristan Jones is certainly more popular with majority of fans
Yeah, Jones is by far the best Aliens artist in recent memory, and one of the best overall. I just wish he got to work on stories with a better author (and, more importanly, an author that isn't a piece of shit person). Jones' excellent art deserved better than that. It pains me that Marvel is already screwing Tristan over right off the bat like this because he has so much more that he can bring to this franchise they they are both squandering and stepping all over with this terrible move. Like, his piece in the 40th Anniversary art book was phenomenal – easily one of the best in the book.
I wasn't overly fond of Keith's work in
Earth War (but then, I didn't like the writing there, or in the two preceding installments, much either). I loved his work in
Inhuman Condition, however, and find that to be one of the best Aliens comics through and through.
His Aliens looked cartoony as never before in Inhuman Condition ;D
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1300895475957030912
Oh, that f**k is just f**king with us at this point
What's it? Being outraged fan never felt that good
I'm getting the Nelson cover or I'm not getting it.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
I'm getting the Nelson cover or I'm not getting it.
^This
By doing that, buying that one you end up supporting marvel to do more like this....
Greg Land tracing...there's a shock.
I stopped buying any title he drew for years ago. Awful art that most of the time was guess the porn actress he had traced...
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
I'm getting the Nelson cover or I'm not getting it.
100% agreed.
This is intellectual property theft.
Intellectual priory theft, is theft!
Period.
Land should be ashamed, and marvel held to account.
There should be ZERO tolerance for thieves and we should unite our voices in saying that this is not ok.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 01, 2020, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
I'm getting the Nelson cover or I'm not getting it.
100% agreed.
This is intellectual property theft.
Intellectual priory theft, is theft!
Period.
Land should be ashamed, and marvel held to account.
There should be ZERO tolerance for thieves and we should unite our voices in saying that this is not ok.
MArvel has been doing this for years with star wars and its not one single artist but several and marvel aproves it.
https://twitter.com/ridgetop21/status/1300928997946056704
Wow. I've seen Tristan's IG story and it's pretty conclusive.
Won't be supporting Marvel. Won't buy this book.
This is garbage.
We should petition the pricks - make it public. Enough voices in support here to make them hopefully squirm a bit at doing this crap and hiring hacks like Land in the first place.
The thing is, Greg Land has been doing this for YEARS and lots and lots and lots of people have pointed it out (it yields so many Google results) and yet Marvel still hasn't done anything... :-\
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 02, 2020, 01:19:17 AM
The thing is, Greg Land has been doing this for YEARS and lots and lots and lots of people have pointed it out (it yields so many Google results) and yet Marvel still hasn't done anything... :-\
Royalty payments are one thing that can be put down to contractual arrangements but this is blatantly IP theft.
F*ck em. Not gonna give em a cent.
I've liked a lot of classic Marvel stuff from the past but the people in charge now are a whole different kettle of fish. This is so uncool and off-putting. Real talent is getting hurt here.
Unfortunately, nobody in their right mind would take on the Marvel legal team. That's the problem with these mega corporations.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 02, 2020, 01:29:03 AM
I've liked a lot of classic Marvel stuff from the past but the people in charge now are a whole different kettle of fish. This is so uncool and off-putting. Real talent is getting hurt here.
Unfortunately, nobody in their right mind would take on the Marvel legal team. That's the problem with these mega corporations.
Collectively name and shame them in public. Enough voices on here to create a little stir of public awareness hopefully.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 01, 2020, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 01, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
I'm getting the Nelson cover or I'm not getting it.
100% agreed.
This is intellectual property theft.
Intellectual priory theft, is theft!
Period.
Land should be ashamed, and marvel held to account.
There should be ZERO tolerance for thieves and we should unite our voices in saying that this is not ok.
It's not theft.
Utterly immoral - but not theft.
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2020, 03:34:38 AM
It's not theft.
Utterly immoral - but not theft.
That's definitely debatable, in legal terms as well. Artists have sued for less blatant copycat art than this and won, but US copyright law is sometimes messy and inconsistent. This likely falls right on that grey legal boundary, and Tristan would probably have a strong case here. Marvel has settled out of court for these issues before.
Land has a history of even more blatant copying than this:
Quote from: Prez on Sep 02, 2020, 01:34:15 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 02, 2020, 01:29:03 AM
I've liked a lot of classic Marvel stuff from the past but the people in charge now are a whole different kettle of fish. This is so uncool and off-putting. Real talent is getting hurt here.
Unfortunately, nobody in their right mind would take on the Marvel legal team. That's the problem with these mega corporations.
Collectively name and shame them in public. Enough voices on here to create a little stir of public awareness hopefully.
Count me in
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 02, 2020, 04:06:49 AM
That's definitely debatable, in legal terms as well. Artists have sued for less blatant copycat art than this and won, but US copyright law is sometimes messy and inconsistent. This likely falls right on that grey legal boundary, and Tristan would probably have a strong case here. Marvel has settled out of court for these issues before.
Depends on what the Tristan sketches were for. If they fall under the work Marvel now owns from Dark Horse, they basically paid someone to make a cheap copy of something they own the rights to. As SM said, no theft :-\
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 02, 2020, 04:06:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2020, 03:34:38 AM
It's not theft.
Utterly immoral - but not theft.
That's definitely debatable, in legal terms as well. Artists have sued for less blatant copycat art than this and won, but US copyright law is sometimes messy and inconsistent. This likely falls right on that grey legal boundary, and Tristan would probably have a strong case here. Marvel has settled out of court for these issues before.
Land has a history of even more blatant copying than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bshNOtERfVI
Problem is Disney owns Alien and Marvel has the comic license and T has probably already been paid for the work Land ripped off (I think - correct me if I'm wrong). I daresay this kind of repugnant shit is heartbreakingly legal.
I've seen some of the stuff Land has traced/ stolen in the past and it would likely be easier to argue in court, because it's not part of an IP Disney/ Marvel already owned and others own the copyright of the original material.
Here are just a few quick findings on cases where marvel uses7stolen designs from fans and artists of star wars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhAyTcsgiXs
Was more now when I googled more but I think it gives you guys an idea, and Im leaving for work in 10 minutes xD
And yep taking on marvel: good luck their legal team and amount of money they have: they will walk all over you sadly, and seems most readers dont care as they sell a lot of comics anyways with the stolen art.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Sep 02, 2020, 04:06:49 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 02, 2020, 03:34:38 AM
It's not theft.
Utterly immoral - but not theft.
That's definitely debatable, in legal terms as well. Artists have sued for less blatant copycat art than this and won, but US copyright law is sometimes messy and inconsistent. This likely falls right on that grey legal boundary, and Tristan would probably have a strong case here. Marvel has settled out of court for these issues before.
Land has a history of even more blatant copying than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bshNOtERfVI
Thanks for sharing the video, RidgeTop
Has anyone tracked porn references Land uses ? I'm asking ...just ...of...curiousity
I should have known it would take Greg Land all of five minutes to go full Greg Land.
Well, not full Greg Land. The Alien doesn't have an "o" face.
Unfortunately as people have already pointed out, it's not a secret that he does this and people have been calling him out on it for years, yet Marvel still keeps giving him work and so he still keeps on tracing. I'm beginning to think all the porno expressions he uses are actually lifted from sex tapes involving Marvel editorial staff, because him having dirt on them is about the only thing that makes sense to me as far as why they keep giving him work.
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 02, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
Well, not full Greg Land. The Alien doesn't have an "o" face.
Which is weird because the nature of Alien just begs for Rule 34
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 02, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
I'm beginning to think all the porno expressions he uses are actually lifted from sex tapes involving Marvel editorial staff, because him having dirt on them is about the only thing that makes sense to me as to why they keep hiring him.
Well, now when you've written it I'm beginning to think that too
This is kind of funny to me in a way...
Not only is that some of the worst alien art I've ever seen by a "professional," to find out that it's been lifted is just embarrassing
Talked with Tristan on Twitter. Let's get loud about this. I've spread it out across my various communities that would care about this as well. This can be the straw that break the camel's back if we get loud enough.
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 02, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
I'm beginning to think all the porno expressions he uses are actually lifted from sex tapes involving Marvel editorial staff, because him having dirt on them is about the only thing that makes sense to me as to why they keep hiring him.
lol
I honestly don't know what we can do in this case aside from letting enough people know that it gets Land booted off the cover. Enough bad publicity and Marvel will alter the it.
They really should've hired Tristan Jones in the first place though. Or frankly used a significantly less controversial artist. Like Humberto Ramos wouldn't have been a good fit but I doubt he'd have traced.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 02, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
I honestly don't know what we can do in this case aside from letting enough people know that it gets Land booted off the cover. Enough bad publicity and Marvel will alter the it.
They really should've hired Tristan Jones in the first place though. Or frankly used a significantly less controversial artist. Like Humberto Ramos wouldn't have been a good fit but I doubt he'd have traced.
Highly likely that they will alter it if enough word is spread about it.
Time for a petition? ;D
Not really completely related to the matter at hand here, just a little detour Tristan's thread took, but...
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1300971832686735360
KING.
God, I am so sick of seeing this image everywhere. :-X
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Sep 02, 2020, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 02, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
I honestly don't know what we can do in this case aside from letting enough people know that it gets Land booted off the cover. Enough bad publicity and Marvel will alter the it.
They really should've hired Tristan Jones in the first place though. Or frankly used a significantly less controversial artist. Like Humberto Ramos wouldn't have been a good fit but I doubt he'd have traced.
Highly likely that they will alter it if enough word is spread about it.
I just posted a link to the AVPG article through CBR's Alien and Predator thread. Hopefully enough people over on CBR will see this and by enough people I mean Marvel staffers since some of them do frequent the site.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 02, 2020, 02:22:55 PM
Quote from: BlazinBlue88 on Sep 02, 2020, 01:38:34 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 02, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
I honestly don't know what we can do in this case aside from letting enough people know that it gets Land booted off the cover. Enough bad publicity and Marvel will alter the it.
They really should've hired Tristan Jones in the first place though. Or frankly used a significantly less controversial artist. Like Humberto Ramos wouldn't have been a good fit but I doubt he'd have traced.
Highly likely that they will alter it if enough word is spread about it.
I just posted a link to the AVPG article through CBR's Alien and Predator thread. Hopefully enough people over on CBR will see this and by enough people I mean Marvel staffers since some of them do frequent the site.
Also tweeted to CBR, comicbook.com.
LMAO. Nothing to say, except that the Alien's head from the "new" cover is too ugly.
It is immediately evident that Tristan Jones understands and loves the Alien and its form. And this "new" head looks like a kind of parody with deformed proportions. Like ADI works...
Quote from: Drukathi on Sep 02, 2020, 02:45:20 PM
Nothing to say, except that the Alien's head from the "new" cover is too ugly.
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1300895475957030912
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 02, 2020, 01:44:48 PM
Not really completely related to the matter at hand here, just a little detour Tristan's thread took, but...
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1300971832686735360
KING.
God, I am so sick of seeing this image everywhere. :-X
Can we know the source of this image - when it was made and for what purpose? It starts to hurt my eyes when I see this xenomorph, but I don't understand - why? .. :D
It's promo for AvP 2004, isn't it ?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
Time for a petition? ;D
Sure it is
Really? idk, but it is definitely the most exploited depiction of the Alien possible. Some time you can find gif-versions
Spoiler
don't do this!
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=30 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=30)
Yep, it (along with a few other similar images) is a promo still from the first AVP. It must have caught on the way it did because it was likely one of the first officially released, high res stills of an Alien released on the internet but... God, it's the AVP design and just shouldn't be plastered literally everywhere. I'm not even knocking the design overall, in its brown shade it worked really well in Resurrection, but the fact that it is just now considered the default, go-to Alien image? :-X
There were a handful of artists in the 40th Anniversary art book that traced/copied/whatever that still, and every one of them cited Giger as their inspiration, and every time I saw that I just had to roll my eyes.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 02, 2020, 03:13:57 PM
There were a handful of artists in the 40th Anniversary art book that traced/copied/whatever that still, and every one of them cited Giger as their inspiration, and every time I saw that I just had to roll my eyes.
Really? Oof, that's cringey.
i knew jones wanted to work for marvel, but i doubt he had this in mind :laugh:
This a bad start for the alien marvel comics and marvel has a know history of letting stuff like this happening and I can tell worse stuff is coming
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 02, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
I honestly don't know what we can do in this case aside from letting enough people know that it gets Land booted off the cover. Enough bad publicity and Marvel will alter the it.
They really should've hired Tristan Jones in the first place though. Or frankly used a significantly less controversial artist. Like Humberto Ramos wouldn't have been a good fit but I doubt he'd have traced.
Star wars fans who are way more and then also conan artists have been loud and complained about marvel and their artists been stealing designs, havent resulted in much, I doubt Marvel will start to change how they operate because of a few alien nerds dislike what they are doing, but I hope Im wrong but so far this is the marvel practice.
Also if we now manage to get that cover removed: marvel has probably already a ton of comics made by greg/that artist and other artists done and waiting for release so Im sure we will have way more tracing art coming.
Quote from: judge death on Sep 02, 2020, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 02, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
I honestly don't know what we can do in this case aside from letting enough people know that it gets Land booted off the cover. Enough bad publicity and Marvel will alter the it.
They really should've hired Tristan Jones in the first place though. Or frankly used a significantly less controversial artist. Like Humberto Ramos wouldn't have been a good fit but I doubt he'd have traced.
Star wars fans who are way more and then also conan artists have been loud and complained about marvel and their artists been stealing designs, havent resulted in much, I doubt Marvel will start to change how they operate because of a few alien nerds dislike what they are doing, but I hope Im wrong but so far this is the marvel practice.
Also if we now manage to get that cover removed: marvel has probably already a ton of comics made by gred and other artists done and waiting for release so Im sure we will have way more tracing art coming.
So let's give them hell. Let it be the start of something.
Don't do a petition, it won't do anything. Email Marvel comics.
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 02, 2020, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 02, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
Time for a petition? ;D
How to do a petition ?
A petition to move the license back to Dark horse, yes please! :D
This is brave for AVP Galaxy to address this issue and I would say very commendable. It is truly a proud moment for this fan page in standing up for the intellectual property rights of artists. It is truly despicable when big companies allow themselves to use someone else's art which took a lot of time, skill and talent to put together.
Shame on you Greg Land, and evening more so on Marvel.
Yes it is.
Quote from: muthur9000 on Sep 02, 2020, 08:02:29 PM
Don't do a petition, it won't do anything. Email Marvel comics.
How about both ? How to do a petition ? What's Marvel email address ?
It really isn't that simple. A petition isn't going to be any more effective (probably, even less) and mentioning it on Twitter. As for email addresses, there isn't really a "Marvel" email. They're a massive, massive corporation, owned by an even more massive corporation. Getting in contact with people directly responsible for the book would be the way to go, though I'm not quite sure who it was actually overseeing this Omnibus project.
So how do we do some noise then ?
They deserve legal actions plus a boycott. The problem is that not all of their readers are empathetic people, let alone Alien fans :-\
Whats the best way to make some noise? Petitions don't do much these days.
The best way is to have as many media outlets publish this story and then republish those articles in your own social feeds.
https://observer.com/2020/09/tristan-jones-greg-land-plagiarism-marvel-aliens-comic/amp/
Not surprising, that guy always do that. And not surprising because disney will do ANYTHING for a quick buck.
I was going to buy this, but I feel like I shouldn't now ???
Been meaning to eBay the originals anyway
Quote from: Highland on Sep 03, 2020, 01:30:05 AM
I was going to buy this, but I feel like I shouldn't now ???
Been meaning to eBay the originals anyway
IF one buy it then you support the practice marvel uses so a good thing you go for the originals instead, hurts where it does the most to them: their wallet :)
Quote from: judge death on Sep 03, 2020, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: Highland on Sep 03, 2020, 01:30:05 AM
I was going to buy this, but I feel like I shouldn't now ???
Been meaning to eBay the originals anyway
IF one buy it then you support the practice marvel uses so a good thing you go for the originals instead, hurts where it does the most to them: their wallet :)
Exactly. Don't support this one and find the originals. Also help spread word to media outlets. I know I've been trying to do so today.
Is there a way to see Countdown in its entirety short of buying this?
We might not be able to do anything about the Alien collection ultimately but we can at least try to get Marvel not to use Land on any Predator or AVP cover.
If anything we might be able to provide a list to Marvel of artists we know aren't shit people for subsequent collections.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 03, 2020, 02:46:57 AM
Is there a way to see Countdown in its entirety short of buying this?
Whole thing is on various free websites.
Does Land has email ? Maybe if we bombard him with letters expressing (in civil way) our dissapointment with him and his artwork he'll start making noise himself ? Like "Weep, weep, Marvel & Disney, protect me from toxic fans ! "
https://www.facebook.com/greglandartist
He has a page to post all those links on...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 03, 2020, 08:34:38 AM
https://www.facebook.com/greglandartist
He has a page to post all those links on...
Already started. Let's hit him with what we got
One of the best ways to send this message to Marvel is don't buy it as judge death suggested. Its like voting. Your purchase is your vote. I also think posting on Lands page is an excellent idea. This way fans who may not know this become aware of this.
Media roundup, not including the Observer article above:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/separated-at-birth-tristan-jones-greg-land-aliens/
https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/greg-land-plagiarism-aliens-marvel/
https://toynewsi.com/139-37156
https://www.google.com/amp/s/poptimesuk.com/marvel-artist-greg-land-accused-of-plagiarism-in-new-aliens-comic/167942/amp/
https://news.knowledia.com/IL/en/articles/marvel-illustrator-greg-land-once-again-accused-of-plagiarism-f05f916ad103ea7ffb79747f79f2b83630f42528
Project Acheron is planning a video too.
:) There may be a Washington Post article coming too. I passed on everything to them. So hopefully they'll pick it up too.
A reporter got hold of me wanting to know more bout how was going to tell my child bout Chadwick Boseman's death. Which honestly not okay with being asked that. Too personal.
Quote from: David's Creation on Sep 03, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
Media roundup, not including the Observer article above:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/separated-at-birth-tristan-jones-greg-land-aliens/
https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/greg-land-plagiarism-aliens-marvel/
https://toynewsi.com/139-37156
https://www.google.com/amp/s/poptimesuk.com/marvel-artist-greg-land-accused-of-plagiarism-in-new-aliens-comic/167942/amp/
https://news.knowledia.com/IL/en/articles/marvel-illustrator-greg-land-once-again-accused-of-plagiarism-f05f916ad103ea7ffb79747f79f2b83630f42528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh_D8j4Gvgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwdnEFBYVa0
Project Acheron is planning a video too.
I really hope this goes somewhere.
Wow!
I love you Marvel but we all sometimes need tough love. I hope this is an opportunity for corporate growth for Marvel and they take ownership for their mistake.
Now that this is getting more ground. I feel like it could be the start of something. And hope that Marvel does admit their mistake and corrects it.
If have the chance, keep spreading the word.
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Sep 03, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
One of the best ways to send this message to Marvel is don't buy it as judge death suggested. Its like voting. Your purchase is your vote. I also think posting on Lands page is an excellent idea. This way fans who may not know this become aware of this.
Oh don't worry, I wasn't gonna buy it anyway :D
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 02, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
This is brave for AVP Galaxy to address this issue and I would say very commendable.
I agree. I hope Galaxy continues to signal boost this issue here and across social media. This is a story that deserves to stay in the limelight until a resolution is reached.
Something I'm seeing on Twitter is concern for the personnel being anthologized in this book not receiving any kind of payment. Am I wrong in that the writers and artists should never expect that to begin with because the properties aren't owned by them anyway?
I'm kind of a noob with comics, as I've only read the A/P books and tend to order them online in TPB format. What does direct market mean? Obviously, if I was able to get this book, I would want the Mark Nelson cover. Does direct market mean I can only get that book in person at a few comic book stores?
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 03, 2020, 02:29:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 02, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
This is brave for AVP Galaxy to address this issue and I would say very commendable.
I agree. I hope Galaxy continues to signal boost this issue here and across social media. This is a story that deserves to stay in the limelight until a resolution is reached.
Something I'm seeing on Twitter is concern for the personnel being anthologized in this book not receiving any kind of payment. Am I wrong in that the writers and artists should never expect that to begin with because the properties aren't owned by them anyway?
I'm kind of a noob with comics, as I've only read the A/P books and tend to order them online in TPB format. What does direct market mean? Obviously, if I was able to get this book, I would want the Mark Nelson cover. Does direct market mean I can only get that book in person at a few comic book stores?
Depending on contracts they might get something, they might not. It's all a bit inconsistent. Marvel though has no reason to pay any of the former creatives which is unfortunate but as I've seen one of them post, just really how could they have known the books would be getting reprints let alone decades later or even being owned by a different company. So some making these contracts probably just didn't count on anything like this even being a factor.
Direct market is your comic shop, book stores, or even Amazon. Basically just retailers who get the "new" product. Second hand retailers would be like Ebay or a garage sale, in some cases a used book store.
Quote from: David's Creation on Sep 03, 2020, 03:24:50 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 03, 2020, 02:46:57 AM
Is there a way to see Countdown in its entirety short of buying this?
Whole thing is on various free websites.
Well, it was free originally. I don't know what DH was thinking back then, to make this work so disposable...
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Sep 03, 2020, 03:58:31 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Sep 03, 2020, 02:29:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 02, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
This is brave for AVP Galaxy to address this issue and I would say very commendable.
I agree. I hope Galaxy continues to signal boost this issue here and across social media. This is a story that deserves to stay in the limelight until a resolution is reached.
Something I'm seeing on Twitter is concern for the personnel being anthologized in this book not receiving any kind of payment. Am I wrong in that the writers and artists should never expect that to begin with because the properties aren't owned by them anyway?
I'm kind of a noob with comics, as I've only read the A/P books and tend to order them online in TPB format. What does direct market mean? Obviously, if I was able to get this book, I would want the Mark Nelson cover. Does direct market mean I can only get that book in person at a few comic book stores?
Depending on contracts they might get something, they might not. It's all a bit inconsistent. Marvel though has no reason to pay any of the former creatives which is unfortunate but as I've seen one of them post, just really how could they have known the books would be getting reprints let alone decades later or even being owned by a different company. So some making these contracts probably just didn't count on anything like this even being a factor.
Direct market is your comic shop, book stores, or even Amazon. Basically just retailers who get the "new" product. Second hand retailers would be like Ebay or a garage sale, in some cases a used book store.
Amazon is not the direct market. Direct market is as you said, comic shops and online retailers who are primarily dealing with comics. I have been buying from amazon as my primary source of Comic collections for 17 years and they have never stocked DM variants.
Next piece found by @RamonVillalobos. Checked in Photoshop again myself, perfect fit with this Eaglemoss Warrior
https://twitter.com/e_vb_/status/1301636132858458112
https://twitter.com/SizzyBubbles/status/1301653018950082560
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1301721527075840001
https://www.cbr.com/aliens-tristan-jones-accuse-greg-land-plagiarizing-art-marvel-omnibus/amp/
Well, Marvel can't really ignore this now. Can they?
Finally hits Cbr. Was wondering how long it was going to take. Only took roughly 3 days to hit.
This helps make it loud for MARVEL.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 04, 2020, 04:08:26 AM
https://www.cbr.com/aliens-tristan-jones-accuse-greg-land-plagiarizing-art-marvel-omnibus/amp/
Well, Marvel can't really ignore this now. Can they?
Hi. I told you couple of weeks ago ...." They will kill it ".... They did
What a shame .....
Quote from: PVC on Sep 04, 2020, 08:43:33 AMHi. I told you couple of weeks ago ...." They will kill it ".... They did
What a shame .....
They haven't killed it though.
Bullshit with the cover aside, this is still a pretty impressive collection featuring several stories Dark Horse were repeatedly asked to reprint but never did.
Yeah. I think that we need to give Marvel a chance to address this before we condemn them.
Everything so far, apart from the shit with this cover, I am happy with.
Certainly Marvel deserves a chance to address this issue and take responsibility.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 04, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
Certainly Marvel deserves a chance to address this issue and take responsibility.
They havent for years with star wars, their avengers stuff, conan etc where they have done the same, and nothing said about the artist gets royalitys etc.
Have not much hope for marvel suddenly changing from what they´ve done for 5+ years xD
Quote from: judge death on Sep 04, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 04, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
Certainly Marvel deserves a chance to address this issue and take responsibility.
They havent for years with star wars, their avengers stuff, conan etc where they have done the same, and nothing said about the artist gets royalitys etc.
Have not much hope for marvel suddenly changing from what they´ve done for 5+ years xD
Yup. They've been ignoring it for years, unfortunately. Though I'm not sure how often he's swiped directly from other artists before rather than just magazine covers and porno stars, so maybe that might help actually move the needle a little in this case.
But given the fact that they've so consistently turned a blind eye to his swiping despite how many times he's been called out about it, I'm not holding my breath that they're going to do anything about it this time either.
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 04, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: judge death on Sep 04, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 04, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
Certainly Marvel deserves a chance to address this issue and take responsibility.
They havent for years with star wars, their avengers stuff, conan etc where they have done the same, and nothing said about the artist gets royalitys etc.
Have not much hope for marvel suddenly changing from what they´ve done for 5+ years xD
Yup. They've been ignoring it for years, unfortunately. Though I'm not sure how often he's swiped directly from other artists before rather than just magazine covers and porno stars, so maybe that might help actually move the needle a little in this case.
But given the fact that they've so consistently turned a blind eye to his swiping despite how many times he's been called out about it, I'm not holding my breath that they're going to do anything about it this time either.
Its not just him, if you check star wars and conan theres more artists stealing designs, maybe not tracing but taking others designs. So its not just one artists doing this....
Quote from: judge death on Sep 04, 2020, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 04, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: judge death on Sep 04, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 04, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
Certainly Marvel deserves a chance to address this issue and take responsibility.
They havent for years with star wars, their avengers stuff, conan etc where they have done the same, and nothing said about the artist gets royalitys etc.
Have not much hope for marvel suddenly changing from what they´ve done for 5+ years xD
Yup. They've been ignoring it for years, unfortunately. Though I'm not sure how often he's swiped directly from other artists before rather than just magazine covers and porno stars, so maybe that might help actually move the needle a little in this case.
But given the fact that they've so consistently turned a blind eye to his swiping despite how many times he's been called out about it, I'm not holding my breath that they're going to do anything about it this time either.
Its not just him, if you check star wars and conan theres more artists stealing designs, maybe not tracing but taking others designs. So its not just one artists doing this....
Well, that takes us into some muddy waters. Assume that one artist designed the costume armor for Iron Man. The design then belongs to Marvel. Then someone else is asked to draw the design that someone else came up with. Is that stealing? Hardly. If companies wouldn't be able to own designs, there would be no manufacturing possibility because every manufacturer would get sued. This is a very tricky and nuanced subject.
Taking someone else's art where it's clear that this is what happened is another story.
The later part that you wrote is what I meant: for example star wars a lot of the new ship designs and even lightsaber hilts designs etc which were designed and created by fans has been often stolen by marvel and disney and been published as their own design.... but I guess some here thinks that is fully alright behaviour from marvel.
I'm curious about all the legal grounds. It's clearly plagiarism in an abstract sense, but if neither Tristan Jones nor Greg Land own the images, is it theft in a legal sense? Probably not. There are plenty of morally reprehensible things in society which are permissible by law, including theft in various degrees. People being mad isn't going to change something. I'm assuming this actually isn't a big deal by many standards, considering Land's wiki page includes information regarding plagiarism accusations from years ago. That being said, I would still rather have the direct market cover and I do think this is a bad look.
https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/09/04/marvel-comics-and-greg-land-accused-of-tracing-dark-horse-aliens-artist-tristan-jones-work-for-aliens-omnibus-cover/amp/
https://nationeditions.com/marvel-reportedly-accused-of-copying-alien-cover/amp/
That last article has all the facts screwed up and half backwards. Was it written by a 4 year old?
QuoteWell, well, well, as all the people who are in love with the Marvel Cinematic Universe must be well aware of who Tristan Jones is. For those who do not know, Tristan is a comic illustrator of an upcoming series called Aliens and as of right now, he has been accused of copying the work of Aliens Omnibus and its first volume. This cover was created by Greg Land and he accused Jones of copying his artwork for the cover of a new edition.
It reads as a joke
The other obvious effect this could have on any of Marvel's future Alien/Predator comics is that if they ever finally did wise up and offer Tristan Jones a job at this point he might feel very well inclined to just tell them to take a hike.
And given how with all the exposure this has gotten so far it would be a tad hard for them to claim ignorance of the whole thing, I can't say I'd blame him.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 05, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
That last article has all the facts screwed up and half backwards. Was it written by a 4 year old?
QuoteWell, well, well, as all the people who are in love with the Marvel Cinematic Universe must be well aware of who Tristan Jones is. For those who do not know, Tristan is a comic illustrator of an upcoming series called Aliens and as of right now, he has been accused of copying the work of Aliens Omnibus and its first volume. This cover was created by Greg Land and he accused Jones of copying his artwork for the cover of a new edition.
Wow! That's insane! That's what happens with fake news though. The first news outlet sometimes gets it right but the subsequent ones just do lazy copying with their own spin to the point that they can literally get the original news story 100% backwards! Incredible!
There's a reason there are a lot of sites out there that nobody has ever heard of.
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 05, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
The other obvious effect this could have on any of Marvel's future Alien/Predator comics is that if they ever finally did wise up and offer Tristan Jones a job at this point he might feel very well inclined to just tell them to take a hike.
And given how with all the exposure this has gotten so far it would be a tad hard for them to claim ignorance of the whole thing, I can't say I'd blame him.
Giving Tristan a job at Marvel would be the best thing that could come out of this. The media attention he is getting now is very helpful for his cause. This should not make things awkward at Marvel. It would be a step forward for Marvel. Marvel has taken up the causes of the black community, the gay community and women's equality, so perhaps the next step is to respect the intellectual property rights of the artist community. It would stand to reason.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 05, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
The other obvious effect this could have on any of Marvel's future Alien/Predator comics is that if they ever finally did wise up and offer Tristan Jones a job at this point he might feel very well inclined to just tell them to take a hike.
And given how with all the exposure this has gotten so far it would be a tad hard for them to claim ignorance of the whole thing, I can't say I'd blame him.
Giving Tristan a job at Marvel would be the best thing that could come out of this. The media attention he is getting now is very helpful for his cause. This should not make things awkward at Marvel. It would be a step forward for Marvel. Marvel has taken up the causes of the black community, the gay community and women's equality, so perhaps the next step is to respect the intellectual property rights of the artist community. It would stand to reason.
My point is, if they don't lift a finger to do anything about his work being blatantly stolen why would he
want to work for them?
All I could see was whil3
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 05, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
The other obvious effect this could have on any of Marvel's future Alien/Predator comics is that if they ever finally did wise up and offer Tristan Jones a job at this point he might feel very well inclined to just tell them to take a hike.
And given how with all the exposure this has gotten so far it would be a tad hard for them to claim ignorance of the whole thing, I can't say I'd blame him.
Giving Tristan a job at Marvel would be the best thing that could come out of this. The media attention he is getting now is very helpful for his cause. This should not make things awkward at Marvel. It would be a step forward for Marvel. Marvel has taken up the causes of the black community, the gay community and women's equality, so perhaps the next step is to respect the intellectual property rights of the artist community. It would stand to reason.
Or it backfires and T ends up getting seen as 'difficult'.
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 05, 2020, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 05, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
The other obvious effect this could have on any of Marvel's future Alien/Predator comics is that if they ever finally did wise up and offer Tristan Jones a job at this point he might feel very well inclined to just tell them to take a hike.
And given how with all the exposure this has gotten so far it would be a tad hard for them to claim ignorance of the whole thing, I can't say I'd blame him.
Giving Tristan a job at Marvel would be the best thing that could come out of this. The media attention he is getting now is very helpful for his cause. This should not make things awkward at Marvel. It would be a step forward for Marvel. Marvel has taken up the causes of the black community, the gay community and women's equality, so perhaps the next step is to respect the intellectual property rights of the artist community. It would stand to reason.
My point is, if they don't lift a finger to do anything about his work being blatantly stolen why would he want to work for them?
Man's gotta eat.
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2020, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 05, 2020, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Sep 05, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
The other obvious effect this could have on any of Marvel's future Alien/Predator comics is that if they ever finally did wise up and offer Tristan Jones a job at this point he might feel very well inclined to just tell them to take a hike.
And given how with all the exposure this has gotten so far it would be a tad hard for them to claim ignorance of the whole thing, I can't say I'd blame him.
Giving Tristan a job at Marvel would be the best thing that could come out of this. The media attention he is getting now is very helpful for his cause. This should not make things awkward at Marvel. It would be a step forward for Marvel. Marvel has taken up the causes of the black community, the gay community and women's equality, so perhaps the next step is to respect the intellectual property rights of the artist community. It would stand to reason.
Or it backfires and T ends up getting seen as 'difficult'.
This. There is no "intellectual property" issue here, he was drawing something FOX (Disney) owns.
What Land did was a shitty thing but he copied drawings owned by Marvel, quite possibly with Marvel's permission.
Quote from: SM on Sep 05, 2020, 10:45:18 PM
Or it backfires and T ends up getting seen as 'difficult'.
Yeah, this is something I've been battling with. It's not my intention at all to be seen as this. I don't actually WANT anything from Marvel except for this to just NOT happen to anyone else.
Would I come back to work on Alien? Yes. Would I do Predator? Yes. But the day Dark Horse lost that, I moved on emotionally. I'll always have those stories in my back pocket. But at this point it's all incredibly disheartening, demeaning and flat out insulting. And that's all on Greg. The guys at Marvel have fires to put out constantly, and maybe you could argue that one dude that hired Greg to do this in collections is vaguely responsible in a round about way, but this is on Greg as far as I'm concerned.
Hope you are otherwise well considering we'll be locked down a bit longer, yet. :)
Ah, this barely affects me. It sucks because it affects everyone else I know and it's making life difficult for the shop, but we'll get there. We have to really. How's it going on your end?
Hopefully Marvel hires the real deal and stops throwing work to that kleptomaniac.
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2020, 06:57:47 AM
Hope you are otherwise well considering we'll be locked down a bit longer, yet. :)
Hope you're all OK down there :( Just waiting for the idiots to sink QLD soon.
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Sep 06, 2020, 11:58:56 PM
Ah, this barely affects me. It sucks because it affects everyone else I know and it's making life difficult for the shop, but we'll get there. We have to really. How's it going on your end?
Same old, same old. The First Lady and I are fortunate that we have jobs that allow us to work from home, and I do not miss the commute at all, so it can go for a bit longer as far as I'm concerned. However as you said, it's all the people who aren't as lucky as us who are being more affected and the wider knock on problems from that.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 07, 2020, 01:06:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2020, 06:57:47 AM
Hope you are otherwise well considering we'll be locked down a bit longer, yet. :)
Hope you're all OK down there :( Just waiting for the idiots to sink QLD soon.
I dunno, you guys have open a lot longer than us and it seems like it's not getting out of control. Be interesting to see what happens with the border restrictions with the election coming up.
I keep waiting for Alien Theory to post a video denouncing Greg Land's plagiarism, but I don't see one yet. :-\
Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2020, 01:29:04 AM
I dunno, you guys have open a lot longer than us and it seems like it's not getting out of control.
We have way lower population density. It seems to be creeping down from Brisbane at the moment -- just waiting for it to hit the GC properly and I'm done.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2020, 01:47:04 AM
I keep waiting for Alien Theory to post a video denouncing Greg Land's plagiarism, but I don't see one yet. :-\
Maybe he does possess some self awareness.
Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2020, 01:29:04 AM
Quote from: tyrannosaurusjones on Sep 06, 2020, 11:58:56 PM
Ah, this barely affects me. It sucks because it affects everyone else I know and it's making life difficult for the shop, but we'll get there. We have to really. How's it going on your end?
Same old, same old. The First Lady and I are fortunate that we have jobs that allow us to work from home, and I do not miss the commute at all, so it can go for a bit longer as far as I'm concerned. However as you said, it's all the people who aren't as lucky as us who are being more affected and the wider knock on problems from that.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 07, 2020, 01:06:50 AM
Quote from: SM on Sep 06, 2020, 06:57:47 AM
Hope you are otherwise well considering we'll be locked down a bit longer, yet. :)
Hope you're all OK down there :( Just waiting for the idiots to sink QLD soon.
I dunno, you guys have open a lot longer than us and it seems like it's not getting out of control. Be interesting to see what happens with the border restrictions with the election coming up.
Man us peeps in South Australia have got it pretty easy compared to other states (fairly relaxed across the board). Keeping tabs on my mates & relatives in Melbourne (some are doing ok, others not so good).
Stay safe my fellow Aussies.
I hope he is compensated and leveraged it for work on Marvel Alien stuff.
Disrespecting Tristan Jones, is disrespecting Aliens fans. We love this guy! Great artist!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 09, 2020, 02:48:08 AM
Disrespecting Tristan Jones, is disrespecting Aliens fans. We love this guy! Great artist!
This 1000%
Guy should have his own Alien series going.
Wow, haven't been here for months. Who's this Land dude, wtf? Marvel hired this jerk off? From his wikipedia page:
Plagiarism accusations
Land has been accused of going beyond the accepted bounds of photographic reference, lifting images from sources that include hardcore pornography, and copying them into his pages outright with minimal Photoshop alterations to make the work appear to be an original drawing, a reputation he developed from his work on Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate Power. Land has agreed that he does employ photo reference to a large extent, and that he uses pornography as a source, but denies that the extent to which he does so is questionable. The A.V. Club included him in their 2009 list of "21 artists who changed mainstream comics (for better or worse)" for this reason.[1]
Commenting on Land's work on Uncanny X-Men #510, Brian Cronin of CBR.com remarked that the issue "possibly has the most harmful art to a story that I've seen in a comic," saying that Land's limited supply of poses and use of the same models for multiple characters "results in terrible art and particularly terrible storytelling."[2] He was also mocked for his limited use of facial expressions on the Thing.[3]
Land has also been accused of directly swiping art from other comics artists, and is considered "notorious" for tracing his art from other sources[4] to the point where some fans make a hobby of finding the original sources Land traced for his art.[5]
Land's art for Marvel's Aliens Omnibus was pointed out by artist Tristan Jones as containing direct copies of various pieces of Jones' own Aliens artwork.[4][6] Similarities were also found between elements of Land's cover and an Alien portrait by Andy Brase, a catalog photo of a sculpted Alien egg toy by NECA, and a screenshot from the Sega video game Aliens: Colonial Marines.[7][
Quote from: judge death on Sep 01, 2020, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 01, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
Yeah thats terrible, fire this Land guy and get Tristan. What a disgrace, stealing from othe comic artists.
Looks like he forgot the inner jaw too.
HAhahahaha what did I say about marvel?! xD Shouldnt come as a surprise, afterall in their star wars comics a lot of the space designs are stolen from fans and traced/copied and the art is a let down after the first couple of comics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgGr5p53tH4
This is just the start of things and you can guess how the stories will become. RIP Dark horse, this is one of many reasons Im sceptical about marvel doing aliens comics and will probably skip them and ignore them completely.
Note: Found out that their art they reuse for the collections and marvel releases wont give any money to the original artists or royalitys etc, Im so skipping marvel and sticking to getting my dark horse comics.
Wow, what a fkin embarassment. These morons basically kill off anything they buy...
Here's to the Marvel/Disney Stars Wars and Alien franchises:
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 01, 2020, 08:55:33 PM
Oh, that f**k is just f**king with us at this point
What's it? Being outraged fan never felt that good
Yea no sh!t lol
Quote from: Bug hunt wilson on Sep 02, 2020, 06:02:37 PM
This a bad start for the alien marvel comics and marvel has a know history of letting stuff like this happening and I can tell worse stuff is coming
Ya think? After seeing this dumbasz dumbo shiet, i don't think I'll be going to the theaters to see Marvel or Disney movies even. To come out with the first issue in this fashion...Dumbo must be running things there.
Quote from: judge death on Sep 04, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Sep 04, 2020, 12:53:18 PM
Certainly Marvel deserves a chance to address this issue and take responsibility.
They havent for years with star wars, their avengers stuff, conan etc where they have done the same, and nothing said about the artist gets royalitys etc.
Have not much hope for marvel suddenly changing from what they´ve done for 5+ years xD
I know ay, I'm sitting here reading for the first time what they've been doing to Star Wars for 5 years, and than I'm reading the sheep saying let's give them a chance. Lmfao. HHHHoooo wer funked now Binshop.
Btw, that was one ugly mfkin Alien on that cover.
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 09, 2020, 05:26:15 AM
Wow, what a fkin embarassment. These morons basically kill off anything they buy...
Here's to the Marvel/Disney Stars Wars and Alien franchises:
Um... No.
It's a bad cover artist for an otherwise great collection.
The franchise will live.
Indeed as nostromo says, and marvel isnt new to this type of stealing but I have put prof and examples some pages back and some of the twitter announchments some days ago also deeps down into the rabbit hole of what marvel is doing.
But then again its to be expected as the white slavers: disney has once again got under the spotlight of treating their workers badly and even using concentration camp prisoners in the making of mulan movie....and reports from the lion king and how the production of star wars movies shows what we can expect from disney and marvel.
Cant say im feeling safe for what they will do with the alien franschise and so far theres only signs for the worse and reports of reboot of the alien franchise with new ripley and making aliens v2 movies....
And wouldnt call that collection great as its already released in dark horse collections besides countdown which is to me unknown comic that is easy to find on the web for those who want it that badly but it wont be an excuse for marvel in how they treat previous artists and what they are doing, for me.
I find it ironic in one sense. Walt Disney early on in his career created a comic character called Oswald the Rabbit (before Mickey Mouse). It became very popular at the time. Made someone lots of money. He didn't own it even though he created it. After that experience he made sure he "owned" his creations. I would think he would side with Tristen Jones on this if he was still here. This is from memory so if I mixed up something apologies I didnt Google it. My memory is not as good as a computer's. :laugh:
Oh now that's just low.
*Slow Claps* Well Done Greg Land *Slow Claps*
what a dick
Also im actually looking forward to reading the full version of Countdown.
Once they sort the omnibus cover of course
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 13, 2020, 10:42:32 AM
Oh now that's just low.
*Slow Claps* Well Done Greg Land *Slow Claps*
what a dick
Also im actually looking forward to reading the full version of Countdown.
Once they sort the omnibus cover of course
I'm willing to bet they won't. From what I've heard Land was caught before by Marvel fans and I'd guess that Marvel comic fanbase is much larger and NOISER than Alien's
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Sep 11, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
I find it ironic in one sense. Walt Disney early on in his career created a comic character called Oswald the Rabbit (before Mickey Mouse). It became very popular at the time. Made someone lots of money. He didn't own it even though he created it. After that experience he made sure he "owned" his creations. I would think he would side with Tristen Jones on this if he was still here. This is from memory so if I mixed up something apologies I didnt Google it. My memory is not as good as a computer's. :laugh:
Ironic indeed. I don't think the old man imagined what his company would become
While I can't say for certain, apparently Land was in some trouble about this before but was protected by Joe Quesada. So prior leadership being what it was led to him sticking around.
Can be pre ordered on Amazon now.
Expensive at the moment though and also the cover is wrong. So be careful as I guarantee that will change soon and you may end up with that awful Land cover. Like i have said before, Amazon don't get the DM variants.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1302928155/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have to say, this will not be comfortable reading. I've read several Marvel Omniby and while there is a sense of majesty in holding such a big book, there is really no ergonomically fun way to read these.
...and if there are no changes to the cover, this discomfort will be overshadowed by the weight of conscience on the chest... ;)
Hopefully this will be what most fans will do xD
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/7d6993df-3d77-4fbb-878f-4afdb136d515/de55c9r-a49f644e-2ab9-4baf-8921-3bdb083cc6aa.jpg/v1/fill/w_896,h_892,q_70,strp/yes_please_meme_by_warrior1944_de55c9r-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0xMjc1IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvN2Q2OTkzZGYtM2Q3Ny00ZmJiLTg3OGYtNGFmZGIxMzZkNTE1XC9kZTU1YzlyLWE0OWY2NDRlLTJhYjktNGJhZi04OTIxLTNiZGIwODNjYzZhYS5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTI4MCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.V0r-mCBzkEpuZUIKAOb_EZQ_Hn2jMfYKzsHcaKFL5-E)
But as I see many will buy the marvel collection I doubt it, but the alien franschise was its best at dark horse and as they say: they kept the franschise alive on their own and not treating it like Marvel do or the past artists and how they behave as a corporation.
Well up to this point the franchise has only been Dark Horse, so it might be a little early to compare a month of Marvel to 30 years of DH. I'll always be biased for DH, but their handling of the series was not always great and there were a lot of cheap pursuits of money and poor production for long stretches.
After Berserker from 1995 to 1999 they couldn't even muster up a four-part series, just mediocre 2 and 3-parters and nine one-shots. After Destroying Angels they had four years of low-quality crossovers 1999-2003 (Green Lantern, Superman II, Judge Dredd II, Batman II). Followed up by 6 years of no content whatsoever 2003-2009. I love where DH was going the past few years with unproduced screenplays and tie-ins to the originals, and I trusted them more than Marvel, but it's too early to judge and it's certainly not impossible to do better than DH (even after this cover fiasco).
I wouldn't call Alchemy, Survival, Havoc, or Stalker even remotely "mediocre".
Four issues doesn't automatically make it a good story.
That said, Tristan getting ripped off aside, the over the top anti-Marvel sentiment is a bit dumb at this point.
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2020, 05:29:49 PM
Can be pre ordered on Amazon now.
Hallucinating much? Lol. A lot of new schills in here. Dude, until they change the cover, apologize, and also hire Tristan and fire the scumbag who made that crap, here's my answer to the wackjobs at Marvel and Disney: just replace things with wackos.
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2020, 05:29:49 PM
Can be pre ordered on Amazon now.
Hallucinating much? Lol. A lot of new schills in here. Dude, until they change the cover, apologize, and also hire Tristan and fire the scumbag who made that crap, here's my answer to the wackjobs at Marvel and Disney: just replace things with wackos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DvYVTEyJ6c
Who are the "schills"?
Is that the same as "shills"?
I think so.
So, what if you just don't buy the one with Lands cover...?
It probably makes zero difference. Land still got paid. You'd need a lot of people not to buy it at all if you wanted to make a point.
Yes, the support for Tristan's defense in this matter seems to have waned. That's how it usually goes, and it is incumbent upon the party that has sustained damages to act in their own legal defense. Taking on Marvel seems unlikely in that approach.
What will likely happen though, is Mr. Land will do it again, and there will be a similar response. This will create a significant body of evidence that proves his actions were numerous through their precedents. At that time, legal action should be easier, and perhaps done in concert as a class action in partnership with other victims.
The best thing that can come out of this is raising Tristan's profile in a positive way. Apparentlly Greg Land admired his work so much he had to plagiarize it, so maybe Marvel should throw money at the guy who can actually draw these things on his own. And give him his own book. And turn it into an MCU movie.
Quote from: Gentleman Death on Sep 16, 2020, 10:27:25 PM
So, what if you just don't buy the one with Lands cover...?
For me its more reasons than only this cover issue with marvel:
1: Marvel stealing designs from fans, examples, ships, charachters, lore ideas etc from fans for years especielly in the star wars franschise but also happened in their other ips.
2: Not giving artist money by royalties, as artist do have the same rights as music creators but its rare here.
3: their whole disrespect for previous comic makers as if all they did was bad and their own comics will be amazing(when doing the same ideas).
4: How marvel have become political aware and woke with their old franschises which turned me and others away as they redid iron man and others, now they focus on new charachters named snowflake, boomer etc and changing what we older fans loved, yes im an old marvel fan from the 80s.(ok that maybe dont count as old)
5: Plagiarism, and in the alien related tristians design being used and traced and copied and marvel allows such behaviour and done so for a long time and its not just one artist.
Ok if one only look at it from alien related then marvel havent done much wrong but I look at marvel from what they were and how they behave overall, a official excuse/apology from marvel on this and improvment on what happened with tristian would improve things on my end but as you wrote: nothing will happen from this and Im 80% sure we will see marvel do something similair in the coming year or 2 years, maybe some fans alien design they like and use and then claim as their own or similair is my guess now.
Quote4: How marvel have become political aware and woke
That's ... not new.
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
That is a man named Captain America punching actual Hitler in the face during World War II.
Quote from: Nostromo on Sep 16, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2020, 05:29:49 PM
Can be pre ordered on Amazon now.
Hallucinating much? Lol. A lot of new schills in here. Dude, until they change the cover, apologize, and also hire Tristan and fire the scumbag who made that crap, here's my answer to the wackjobs at Marvel and Disney: just replace things with wackos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DvYVTEyJ6c
No need to attack your fellow fans dude. It's not cool.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 17, 2020, 01:54:24 AM
The best thing that can come out of this is raising Tristan's profile in a positive way. Apparentlly Greg Land admired his work so much he had to plagiarize it, so maybe Marvel should throw money at the guy who can actually draw these things on his own. And give him his own book. And turn it into an MCU movie.
(https://i.gifer.com/Bdva.gif)
Quote from: SiL on Sep 17, 2020, 05:29:10 AM
Quote4: How marvel have become political aware and woke
That's ... not new.
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/a0/5991fa03329b7/clean.jpg)
That is a man named Captain America punching actual Hitler in the face during World War II.
Can't believe people still unironically whip out that "woke" crap.
Quote from: judge death on Sep 17, 2020, 05:08:10 AM2: Not giving artist money by royalties, as artist do have the same rights as music creators but its rare here.
I don't really see how this one can be considered Marvel's fault.
If they were legally required to pay royalties, they would. If they're not doing it, it implies artists
don't have the same rights as music creators, in which case it's the law that's the issue and not Marvel. And as someone (I forget who, sorry) pointed out earlier in this thread, Dark Horse apparently didn't pay all their contributors royalties further down the line, and I don't see anyone criticising them for doing exactly the same thing.
Oh? Didnt know that or missed it if it was mentioned earlier, well then I can remove that point from them. Last I checked on dark horse was that they paid the artists when using their art later on but its...15 years? I checked that so it seems things have changed. Well now I will dark horse minus points and mention it when fit. Thanks HuDaFuk :) hmm what happened with the law of copyright and artist where as a creator of something you have the right to be paid for using ones art/music etc? Know some smaller comic studios doing it, so guess its a contract detail? :/
"Work for hire". Basically the comic companies paid the artists to perform some work under the understanding the artist doesn't own the work, the company does.
That was the primary reason behind the formation of Image Comics.
Creator owned stuff at Dark Horse would probably have royalties, but I can't imagined license stuff would. There would be a one off payment.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 17, 2020, 08:34:56 AM
Quote from: judge death on Sep 17, 2020, 05:08:10 AM2: Not giving artist money by royalties, as artist do have the same rights as music creators but its rare here.
I don't really see how this one can be considered Marvel's fault.
If they were legally required to pay royalties, they would. If they're not doing it, it implies artists don't have the same rights as music creators, in which case it's the law that's the issue and not Marvel. And as someone (I forget who, sorry) pointed out earlier in this thread, Dark Horse apparently didn't pay all their contributors royalties further down the line, and I don't see anyone criticising them for doing exactly the same thing.
Musicians ARE artists.
It really comes down to your agreement prior to starting the work.
It's all about what's above the dotted line your signing.
Absolutely.
Unless, you didn't sign anything, and someone just took it, as per the current situation whereby Marvel appropriated Tristan Jones' work.
If Tristan already did that as a job for Dark Horse or Neca and was paid (I don't recall if that's the case), then Marvel own it.
That would be true. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that this was not paid work. Only Tristan Jones could confirm that.
It's not. It's a drawing I did for my cousin. It's up on his wall right now, along with the one the tail came from.
At the end of the day, I don't care about whether I get to work on Aliens again -- I'd love to, but this isn't about that -- nor is it about seeking kind of legal restitution -- it's just the principal matter of it. I want to know how I can not have this happen again to anyone else. Honestly, it's the most infuriating and degrading thing.
Thanks for clarifying.
Has there been any follow up in terms of you getting more work (obviously not for Marvel) from the press coverage?
Nah, nothing. I wasn't exactly expecting that to be the case, I just wanted to make sure people knew I was angry and that it wasn't cricket.
There's something I had sort of bubbling at IDW which is big if it happens and definitely another bucket-lister if it happens, but that was sorta kinda in the works before all this.
I did actually reach out to someone at Marvel though, I got shitty seeing the Stormbreaker showcase and was like "you promote these incredible talents on this hand, yet allow this on the other? No thank you", so we'll see what happens there.
Fingers crossed.
Ditto...
I love your work :)
Going for $125 on Amazon, 1032 pages! And I noticed that the cover art is the OG Mark Nelson so hopefully they completely pulled Land's cover.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 10, 2020, 02:31:42 AM
Going for $125 on Amazon, 1032 pages! And I noticed that the cover art is the OG Mark Nelson so hopefully they completely pulled Land's cover.
That cover will change to the Land cover. Unless Marvel do pull the cover, which I very much doubt.
Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 10, 2020, 07:01:25 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 10, 2020, 02:31:42 AM
Going for $125 on Amazon, 1032 pages! And I noticed that the cover art is the OG Mark Nelson so hopefully they completely pulled Land's cover.
That cover will change to the Land cover. Unless Marvel do pull the cover, which I very much doubt.
I was fully assuming that it was going to be Land's cover as the Nelson one was only supposed to be a limited variant. Obviously only time will tell but Marvel may have pulled the cover. There's no way Marvel was pleased with all the bad press caused by Land's f**kery.
I guess the question is, did Marvel even notice?
Even if they did I don't see them giving a shit.
I think companies as large as Marvel are certainly aware of their image in the press and if the press is bad enough to affect sales then you can bet they're going to do something about it. Considering the Land cover is already paid for and they more than likely haven't printed any copies this far, the easiest solution to mitigate the bad press, that had folks ready to boycott over, is to pull the cover and replace it with the OG Nelson cover. Also considering the Land cover was done and was supposed to be the primary variant for large outlets like Amazon, why then is the Nelson cover being shown on Amazon unless they pulled Land's? We'll see if anything changes but my money's on them using only Nelson's cover.
When your average punter thinks Marvel they think Iron Man, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, Guardians etc.
They don't think Alien. Alien is long way down Marvel's priority list. And unless you're an Alien fan or comic geek, it's not even on your priority list.
There's not enough negative press for them to worry about it. If there's a backlash against the Land cover in terms of sales - then they might take notice.
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 01:00:18 AM
When you're average punter thinks Marvel they think Iron Man, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, Guardians etc.
They don't think Alien. Alien is long way down Marvel's priority list. And unless you're an Alien fan or comic geek, it's not even on your priority list.
There's not enough negative press for them to worry about it. If there's a backlash against the Land cover in terms of sales - then they might take notice.
Exactly and I think that's what's happening. Marvel doesn't want to alienate the target audience (pun intended) because that's bad business. I was fully expecting to see Land's cover on Amazon and was shocked when it was Nelson's hence my speculation. Now we just have to see if it changes down the line.
We can hope.
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 11, 2020, 02:45:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 01:00:18 AM
When you're average punter thinks Marvel they think Iron Man, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, Guardians etc.
They don't think Alien. Alien is long way down Marvel's priority list. And unless you're an Alien fan or comic geek, it's not even on your priority list.
There's not enough negative press for them to worry about it. If there's a backlash against the Land cover in terms of sales - then they might take notice.
Exactly and I think that's what's happening. Marvel doesn't want to alienate the target audience (pun intended) because that's bad business. I was fully expecting to see Land's cover on Amazon and was shocked when it was Nelson's hence my speculation. Now we just have to see if it changes down the line.
Often times, when I have preordered a marvel omnibus, it has had the incorrect cover.
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 01:00:18 AM
When your average punter thinks Marvel they think Iron Man, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, Guardians etc.
They don't think Alien. Alien is long way down Marvel's priority list. And unless you're an Alien fan or comic geek, it's not even on your priority list.
There's not enough negative press for them to worry about it. If there's a backlash against the Land cover in terms of sales - then they might take notice.
Well, that's on us as fans partly, and on creators who don't follow through on their cases with legal action. I am a creative professional also and let me tell you it is no walk in the park to protect your intellectual property. But I am stubborn and I am now in the 6th year of defending my rights to my intellectual property. My legal team is now going to the European Union Supreme Court to protect my work and my brand from being stolen. That's what it takes. I invite Tristan to do the same.
That sort of action will translate into more press articles about the subject and will raise awareness. In turn, it's the fans' job to help stand up for their creative heroes by posting and sharing the articles. That's how social action works.
On a side note, the Alien series has had several references in the MCU already. It's clearly a hot topic for someone up above. In the first Avengers film, we saw Harry Dean Stanton (Kane) ask the Hulk if he was an Alien, and in Avengers Infinity War, we saw Spider-Man talking about the movie Aliens. Those are BIG mentions.
Quote from: Russ840 on Oct 11, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
Quote from: Xiggz456 on Oct 11, 2020, 02:45:48 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 01:00:18 AM
When you're average punter thinks Marvel they think Iron Man, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, Guardians etc.
They don't think Alien. Alien is long way down Marvel's priority list. And unless you're an Alien fan or comic geek, it's not even on your priority list.
There's not enough negative press for them to worry about it. If there's a backlash against the Land cover in terms of sales - then they might take notice.
Exactly and I think that's what's happening. Marvel doesn't want to alienate the target audience (pun intended) because that's bad business. I was fully expecting to see Land's cover on Amazon and was shocked when it was Nelson's hence my speculation. Now we just have to see if it changes down the line.
Often times, when I have preordered a marvel omnibus, it has had the incorrect cover.
Aww shit well hopefully that's not the case here.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 11, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 01:00:18 AM
When your average punter thinks Marvel they think Iron Man, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, Guardians etc.
They don't think Alien. Alien is long way down Marvel's priority list. And unless you're an Alien fan or comic geek, it's not even on your priority list.
There's not enough negative press for them to worry about it. If there's a backlash against the Land cover in terms of sales - then they might take notice.
Well, that's on us as fans partly, and on creators who don't follow through on their cases with legal action. I am a creative professional also and let me tell you it is no walk in the park to protect your intellectual property. But I am stubborn and I am now in the 6th year of defending my rights to my intellectual property. My legal team is now going to the European Union Supreme Court to protect my work and my brand from being stolen. That's what it takes. I invite Tristan to do the same.
That sort of action will translate into more press articles about the subject and will raise awareness. In turn, it's the fans' job to help stand up for their creative heroes by posting and sharing the articles. That's how social action works.
On a side note, the Alien series has had several references in the MCU already. It's clearly a hot topic for someone up above. In the first Avengers film, we saw Harry Dean Stanton (Kane) ask the Hulk if he was an Alien, and in Avengers Infinity War, we saw Spider-Man talking about the movie Aliens. Those are BIG mentions.
Harry Dean Stanton was Brett and Hulk is in no way similar to a Xenomorph. So that's one throwaway reference in Infinity War that hardly qualifies as a "BIG mention".
That aside - who exactly has the kind of money to legally take on Disney??? Or needs the extra stress? In the middle of a pandemic lockdown no less? Seriously?
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 08:04:17 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 11, 2020, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 11, 2020, 01:00:18 AM
When your average punter thinks Marvel they think Iron Man, Spider-man, Avengers, Thor, Hulk, Guardians etc.
They don't think Alien. Alien is long way down Marvel's priority list. And unless you're an Alien fan or comic geek, it's not even on your priority list.
There's not enough negative press for them to worry about it. If there's a backlash against the Land cover in terms of sales - then they might take notice.
Well, that's on us as fans partly, and on creators who don't follow through on their cases with legal action. I am a creative professional also and let me tell you it is no walk in the park to protect your intellectual property. But I am stubborn and I am now in the 6th year of defending my rights to my intellectual property. My legal team is now going to the European Union Supreme Court to protect my work and my brand from being stolen. That's what it takes. I invite Tristan to do the same.
That sort of action will translate into more press articles about the subject and will raise awareness. In turn, it's the fans' job to help stand up for their creative heroes by posting and sharing the articles. That's how social action works.
On a side note, the Alien series has had several references in the MCU already. It's clearly a hot topic for someone up above. In the first Avengers film, we saw Harry Dean Stanton (Kane) ask the Hulk if he was an Alien, and in Avengers Infinity War, we saw Spider-Man talking about the movie Aliens. Those are BIG mentions.
Harry Dean Stanton was Brett and Hulk is in no way similar to a Xenomorph. So that's one throwaway reference in Infinity War that hardly qualifies as a "BIG mention".
That aside - who exactly has the kind of money to legally take on Disney??? Or needs the extra stress? In the middle of a pandemic lockdown no less? Seriously?
Oh facepalm!! I can't believe I mixed up Brett with Kane!
:laugh:
Not having the courage to take on a big player like Disney in courts means that the artist should shut up and accept the theft of their work. I'm not talking about anyone in particular because this has happened several times with Land already. Yes, it's a pain in the ass to protect your IP but it's not as bad as you think. A legal battle like that could be cost-effectively drawn out for years and the bad PR alone would be very hurtful to Disney.
The simple truth is that if someone is not willing to go to court to protect their IP, they should not complain when someone steals it. That's what the courts are for.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KCp9nD7jI04 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KCp9nD7jI04)
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2020, 02:07:21 AM
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Am I wrong though?
Women shouldn't dress provocatively either.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 12, 2020, 06:11:27 AM
Am I wrong though?
Yes.
Especially in cases where the issue is more ethical than legal in nature.
T did manage to chat to some folks at Marvel in the end.
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1315286511961600001
Yeah, I caught that this morning. Glad they've at least spoken about it.
Good.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Oct 12, 2020, 06:11:27 AM
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2020, 02:07:21 AM
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Am I wrong though?
No your 100% right. It's just that some people in life don't mind bending over for 2 dollars. Lol.
Hopefully this new comic comes out without pukeface's cover on it, I'd think of buying it.
Amazing though how many people will bend over and not say anything, real shills in life I tells ya, life's full of weak ass Burke's.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2020, 11:25:42 AM
T did manage to chat to some folks at Marvel in the end.
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1315286511961600001
Missed this a few days ago but I'm glad he was able to make contact and have a conversation. It is probably too late for anything to affect this book, but I really, really hope that this has some impact on Marvel's practices (and, specifically, Greg Land's practices, and others like him) moving forward...
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 12, 2020, 11:25:42 AM
T did manage to chat to some folks at Marvel in the end.
https://twitter.com/WallMeatJones/status/1315286511961600001
This is the best course of action. When someone wrongs you, it is the gentlemanly thing to do, to allow them to make amends as long as their transgression is not egregious. Failing that, legal action is the next appropriate action, but I think it is fair to say that most of us here hope there will be an amicable resolution in this matter and we will see new Tristan Jones material in the Aliens comics at Marvel.
I don't think there is even a legal case here so a lot of this talk of taking on Disney legally is a bit silly anyway.
What they did was immoral but doesn't appear to be illegal.
T should've demanded satisfaction with pistols at dawn.
It'd be the "gentlemanly" thing to do when getting boned by a megacorporation.
:laugh:
I hope the trading card-format comic Alien³: Alone from 1992 is also included.
I seriously doubt the trading card comics will ever be collected.
Which is a shame, because the one Den Beauvais did was really cool.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 18, 2020, 04:02:52 PM
I seriously doubt the trading card comics will ever be collected.
I would have said the same about the Kenner comics, so I guess you never do know for sure.
I hope Tristan gets a deal to do more original Aliens comics.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 18, 2020, 05:06:58 PMI would have said the same about the Kenner comics, so I guess you never do know for sure.
Fair!
But if they were going to do it, surely the
Alien 3 tie-in would've been in this.
Does anyone own a Marvel omnibus? I'm curious to know how well they hold up to multiple readings.
I have the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko Doctor Strange Omnibus. From what I understand most of them are thicker than the one I have (this was a shorter run being collected) but it is a gorgeous, sturdy, well put together book. The Marvel Omnibus collections are the real deal.
And as a ponus, my Strange one has a great original piece of Alex Ross art on the cover, rather than a plagiarized rendition of its titular character cobbled together from other work.
Quote from: Katanu on Oct 24, 2020, 04:09:16 AM
Does anyone own a Marvel omnibus? I'm curious to know how well they hold up to multiple readings.
I have loads of them and they vary but all the modern ones have fantastic bindings.
Nice! Good to know, thanks guys.
So chatted to my local comic book store today and they informed me the price for this would be around the $AUD200 mark. Out of curiosity does that sound about right for Marvel Omnibus'??? Not that I don't trust my local rather me thinking do I wanna spunk that much money on something that I already own about 90% of already in various formats.
Noted that it's available for pre-order here https://www.bookdepository.com/Aliens-Omnibus-Vol-1-Mark-Verheiden/9781302928155 for $150 (RRP is about $170).
That sounds right for in-store in Aus. It's quite a big book, and I remember the smaller Dark Horse ones were about $60 a pop. Unfortunately that's why I usually buy on the Book Depository rather than brick and mortar.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 13, 2020, 08:14:26 AM
That sounds right for in-store in Aus. It's quite a big book, and I remember the smaller Dark Horse ones were about $60 a pop. Unfortunately that's why I usually buy on the Book Depository rather than brick and mortar.
I hear you mate - I try to buy from my local when I can (especially given the current climate) but yes sometimes buying online does save heaps.
I've taken a better look at the specs on this one and yes it's bloody huge. They did mention the two cover options - if I do get it I'll say the non Greg Land one ;-)
Amazon has a preview and I noticed the art for Book 1/Outbreak is colored and the characters are still named Newt and Hicks.
From what I understood, with all previous releases, you had the choice between black & white with New & Hicks or fully colored with Billie & Wilks. Is this the first time the story has been published in color with the original names?
I believe the most recent Dark Horse reissue had coloured original characters.
The paperback Essentials had colours with original character names.
First look at the actual collection
Can someone point me in the direction of a reliable place to purchase the Mark Nelson cover? Amazons only offering the other...
Is there any word of these DH comics being released digitally? I have most of them physically so I want to get them digitally as well.
Forbidden planet
Quote from: Russ840 on May 17, 2021, 06:44:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cetdzHD8uFA
First look at the actual collection
I love to hear that the original characters have been restored. 👏
Dark Horse already did that five years ago.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 19, 2021, 12:24:52 PM
Forbidden planet
I live in the States so I'd have to pass on that. Although I did find some at Targets online shop for ore order. Comes out to around $122.
They're out in the UK. My local messaged to say it was in.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2021, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 17, 2021, 06:44:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cetdzHD8uFA
First look at the actual collection
I love to hear that the original characters have been restored. 👏
Yeah. Glad they kept it that way. But I really do not like the recolour for book one. Shame they didn't keep it fully original.
Dark horse collection 1 should be easy to track down which is exactly that and then you also have earlier releases.
So I know I've said time and again I'm not really a comics guy... but the comic books were basically the last big hole in my collection, so the other day I caved and ordered this (as well as putting in a pre-order for the second volume).
Forgetting the Greg Land tracing clusterf**k for a moment, I feel like Marvel have otherwise done a bloody good job of this. Collecting the obscure bits and pieces that Dark Horse always forgot about is what sold me. Stuff like the oft-requested Countdown, and the Kenner comics - even if they are totally daft and childish, how great is it that Marvel actually went to the effort of including them for the sake of completeness? Even the Alien 3 trading card comic is in there.
Here's hoping Marvel's subsequent volumes will be equally comprehensive. (Judging by the fact they're apparently including the incomplete Crusade in volume 2, they will be.)
Hopefully you will finally see the value in them then.
Can say I have on saturday all dark horse alien comics in my collection^^ Ok not single issues but collections and volumes etc but I can read all stories^^
Question: Does Nightmare Asylum include the extra panels that were added for the trade paperback?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 27, 2021, 07:38:07 AMEven the Alien 3 trading card comic is in there.
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Question: Does Nightmare Asylum include the extra panels that were added for the trade paperback?
Is the 9-panel Alien 3 comic in there? I missed that, and would be very impressed. They've done very well so far on completeness. A complete cover gallery would have been nice though, even small thumbnails could have been completed on a couple additional pages.
And I am also curious as to the added panel for the Vol. 2 TPB.
Quote from: Rambo on Jun 01, 2021, 06:46:52 PMIs the 9-panel Alien 3 comic in there? I missed that, and would be very impressed. They've done very well so far on completeness. A complete cover gallery would have been nice though, even small thumbnails could have been completed on a couple additional pages.
My copy's not arrived yet, but from what I've seen elsewhere the card comic is in there, and there's also a covers gallery, although I've no idea how complete the latter is.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 01, 2021, 04:01:49 PM
Question: Does Nightmare Asylum include the extra panels that were added for the trade paperback?
^ This.
Quote from: Prez on Jun 02, 2021, 12:54:08 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 01, 2021, 04:01:49 PM
Question: Does Nightmare Asylum include the extra panels that were added for the trade paperback?
^ This.
Doesn't look like. There's no full page of Spears with his hand on a tank.
And it looks like a chunk of the series collected for the first release have now dropped on Comixology. Not checked to see exactly which yet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2021, 05:51:08 AMDoesn't look like. There's no full page of Spears with his hand on a tank.
The added panel is in there, but not as part of the comic - it's included with the bonus material at the back. My copy just arrived :)
Says it was originally added to balance out the two-page spreads in the collected editions. Interesting, I always wondered why they stuck the extra page in there.
Didn't think to check the bonus material. At least it's in there.
The bonus section's pretty tasty. Loads of bonus art and it's even got a bunch of the forewords written for previous collections.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 02, 2021, 02:14:50 PM
The bonus section's pretty tasty. Loads of bonus art and it's even got a bunch of the forewords written for previous collections.
That's great to hear - appreciate the early insights.
If the card comic is included, is it given a formal title? I've always known it as "Alone" but I know that's a fan title.
Nope, it's just listed as "Alien 3 Trading Card Comic" in the contents.
Interestingly all the comics have their original release titles, so the first two series are just "Aliens", Harvest is "Hive" etc.
My only criticism thus far - the Tribes artwork is very dark. It's one of the few comics I owned previously and compared to the original all of Dorman's pieces have been (I assume unintentionally) darkened, and as a result a lot of details are obscured.
Some of the Aliens magazine covers included in the back are a lot darker than they actually were too.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 02, 2021, 12:45:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 02, 2021, 05:51:08 AMDoesn't look like. There's no full page of Spears with his hand on a tank.
The added panel is in there, but not as part of the comic - it's included with the bonus material at the back. My copy just arrived :)
Says it was originally added to balance out the two-page spreads in the collected editions. Interesting, I always wondered why they stuck the extra page in there.
Usually printed books run in multiples of 4 pages ... it's why some books have extra blank pages ... a pain in the arse for designers like me (not so bad if you've got lotsa bonus material).
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 19, 2021, 12:43:01 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on May 17, 2021, 06:44:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cetdzHD8uFA
First look at the actual collection
I love to hear that the original characters have been restored. 👏
Oh that looks good. Wonder if the binding will hold for long, which is very often a problem for such incredibly thick books
Anyone read through the action figure comics yet? My book is still in the mail and I'm pretty curious about these. Along with the Alien 3 adaptation.
Not in this, but I've read them online before.
They're completely daft, cheesy and childish, but admittedly kinda fun because of it. Just don't expect anything more than a Saturday morning cartoon in comic form.
The Alien 3 adaptation's mostly interesting for the deleted scenes it contains, some of which didn't even get into the extended cut, like Dillon's original death.
Love the covers of that adaptation.
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https://twitter.com/comichron/status/1402671532091002884?s=19
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 09, 2021, 11:54:56 AM
Love the covers of that adaptation.
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Absolutely. I love the other two as well, despite the weird turquoise sidebars on the third issue.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2021, 05:03:13 PM
https://twitter.com/comichron/status/1402671532091002884?s=19
As excited as I am about the upcoming show, the numbers Marvel has been doing may have helped green light a new film! They're making a killing off of Alien and illustrating the true appeal of the brand as well.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Jun 09, 2021, 11:54:56 AM
Love the covers of that adaptation.
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They are great. I managed to pick up all 4 single issues many moons ago on the cheap.
Would love to see that fourth issue, given that there were only three ;)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 11, 2021, 08:14:16 AM
Would love to see that fourth issue, given that there were only three ;)
I'm pulling the old age card on this one ;D ;D ;D ;D
... I mean I just took them out to prove my point ... see there are 4.
HAHAHAHA ;D