Poll
Question:
Would you see Alien 3 the Assembly Cut in theaters?
Option 1: Yes
Option 2: No
I saw Aliens at my local theater here in town this past weekend and I was wandering if people would be down to see Alien 3 the Assembly Cut version in a theater re-release?
I think it would be very cool to see the Assembly Cut version of Alien 3 in theaters again. What do you guys think?
Alien 3 at the cinema? Anytime mate :)
I would never pay money to see any version of Alien 3 again.
Only if they put some real money into fixing the creature effects and if they finish and polish the whole thing.
Then I would. :)
I agree, it deserves a re-release in cinemas. F*ck the haters.
I don't hate it, I just don't like it enough to desire seeing it in the theater again. A remastered edition with updated visual effects would make it worth my while though.
Yeah. The only Alien film I haven't seen in theaters is Alien 3. And I haven't seen Predator 2 in theaters either for that matter.
In order for me:
Alien: Resurrection - upon release. I was five.
Alien: Director's Cut - upon release
AvP - upon release
Alien(2nd theatrical experience) and Predator double bill screening at an AvP:R event that Colin Strause was at.
AvP:R - upon release
Aliens screening
Predators - upon release
Prometheus - upon release
I'd rather watch "The Last Airbender" again. Speaking of which, f**k you M. Night, you lousy hack...
I would rather seen Alien3 a hundred more times than watch "The Last Airbender" all the way through even once.
I would love to see it in cinema.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2017, 06:04:08 PM
I don't hate it, I just don't like it enough to desire seeing it in the theater again. A remastered edition with updated visual effects would make it worth my while though.
I didn't mean that directly at you bud, sorry for the confusion.
I have seen all the Alien films at the theatre.
Alien 3 Assembly Cut is much more cinematic, particularly the opening with Clemens and the Ox burster scene. The theatrical does not take the time to introduce the world of Fury 161, and Clemens just sort of appears out of nowhere. Also, the dog burst scene they shot to replace the ox burster looks more cheaply done. The slaughterhouse is a much more elaborate set, plus the extended bambi burster.
I'd see this rambling mess in a theatre if someone comped me some tickets.
Quote from: SM on Jan 18, 2017, 11:10:14 PM
I'd see this rambling mess in a theatre if someone comped me some tickets.
Are you ready to concede that the assembly cut is a far superior movie?
Yeah. For sure. It would need some more tidying up but it's cinema worthy. Freshen up some of those composited shots of the alien and a few other FX and it would be deserving of cinema release.
'ALIEN 3' is a sturdy entry into the series. It's not perfect, we all know and acknowledge that that egg is a problem. Nonetheless, of all the 'ALIEN' movies from last Century, this one has arguably aged the best, if anything it has improved with time. Largely due to the repeat attempts at restoring it closer to what it should have been in the first place. One thing for sure, it's a damned sight better than 90% of content that passes as SF in cinema today. If it's ringed by neon blue lights and features a cast that would look at home in 'Beverley Hills 90210' it must be sci-fi! f**k that.
Oh, and retconners r gon hate no matter what. Especially anything that enforces this movie's rightful place in the series.
Go 'ALIEN 3'! Would love to see a cinematic release.
-Windebieste.
I already saw Alien 3 in the cinema when it was released and I loved it. I'd definitely see a remastered version though - it's been one of my long-time yearnings to see Fox fix up the effects.
Ah! You just reminded me, I still have my 'ALIEN 3' movie ticket for the opening night in Melbourne. I should dig it up. I'm sure I've taken a photo of it. It's here somewhere...
[EDiT] Yep. Here it is:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi613.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt211%2Fwindebieste%2FAlien3Pass.jpg&hash=c970a8a272ca9647a98e8e9f466295c16b656f5e)
No, SM. You can't have this. :P
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2017, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 18, 2017, 11:10:14 PM
I'd see this rambling mess in a theatre if someone comped me some tickets.
Are you ready to concede that the assembly cut is a far superior movie?
Depends on what you're comparing it to.
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 01:32:26 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2017, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 18, 2017, 11:10:14 PM
I'd see this rambling mess in a theatre if someone comped me some tickets.
Are you ready to concede that the assembly cut is a far superior movie?
Depends on what you're comparing it to.
The theatrical version.
The Assembly Cut has a bunch of superfluous scenes. I enjoy it because I get to spend more time with Clemens but the theatrical version is tighter and better. I get a lot of deja vu while viewing Alien 3 AC
The AC fills in a lot of character details, gives you an opportunity to gain some exposure to the relationships between the prisoners and understand them better. It removes the super cheesy Queen burst reveal. This is all good content. The ox's dragging the EEV up the beach is a great scene. All the dialogue that has been returned to the BluRay version is terrific. There's so many good things that were omitted from the theatrical cut that should have been in there.
I'll tell you what a superfluous scene is. The last 10 minutes of 'ALIENS'. The movie should end at the point that Ripley, Newt and Bishop disembark from the dropship. The whole climactic Queen fight inerrupts the narrative that is being propelled at that point (no one as actually adequately explained how something the size of an elephant can hide amongst the vehicle's landing gear and not set off the warning lights in the cockpit.... really?)
So yeah, the movie shouldn't have the Queen aboard the Sulaco. It's a superflous scene (oh, it's a great one! I'll grant that) but completely unnecessary. You can watch the movie without that scene present and the ending is the same. Except Bishop is torn in half. Well, if Bishop had been human that might have been meaningful but Bishop isn't - so there's no change made by the time the credits role. All 3 characters get away regardless of the Queen's presence or not.
Is the Queen Boss fight at the end of 'ALIENS' a superficial scene? Absolutely! By any reasoning you apply to it, it doesn't change the outcome of the movie if it is present or not. Ripley, Newt and Bishop still get away from LV-426. Which is what the movie is ultimately all about -their survival and escape. By the time they reach the Sulaco, the movie is over. No Queen fight needed. Superficial to the nth degree.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 19, 2017, 02:18:11 AM
I'll tell you what a superfluous scene is. The last 10 minutes of 'ALIENS'. The movie should end at the point that Ripley, Newt and Bishop disembark from the dropship. The whole climactic Queen fight inerrupts the narrative that is being propelled at that point (no one as actually adequately explained how something the size of an elephant can hide amongst the vehicle's landing gear and not set off the warning lights in the cockpit.... really?)
So yeah, the movie shouldn't have the Queen aboard the Sulaco. It's a superflous scene (oh, it's a great one! I'll grant that) but completely unnecessary. You can watch the movie without that scene present and the ending is the same. Except Bishop is torn in half. Well, if Bishop had been human that might have been meaningful but Bishop isn't - so there's no change made by the time the credits role. All 3 characters get away regardless of the Queen's presence or not.
Is the Queen Boss fight at the end of 'ALIENS' a superficial scene? Absolutely! By any reasoning you apply to it, it doesn't change the outcome of the movie if it is present or not. Ripley, Newt and Bishop still get away from LV-426. Which is what the movie is ultimately all about -their survival and escape. By the time they reach the Sulaco, the movie is over. No Queen fight needed. Superficial to the nth degree.
-Windebieste.
You could use the same logic for the alien in the Narcissus though.
I mean aliens was intentially hitting the same plot beats as alien anyway (brilliantly done imo) so I guess it made sense to have a false moment of safety and final encounter/fight at the end.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 01:33:20 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 01:32:26 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2017, 11:33:19 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 18, 2017, 11:10:14 PM
I'd see this rambling mess in a theatre if someone comped me some tickets.
Are you ready to concede that the assembly cut is a far superior movie?
Depends on what you're comparing it to.
The theatrical version.
No.
I definitely would love to see Alien3 (either version) in theatres.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 19, 2017, 01:29:01 AM
Ah! You just reminded me, I still have my 'ALIEN 3' movie ticket for the opening night in Melbourne. I should dig it up. I'm sure I've taken a photo of it. It's here somewhere...
[EDiT] Yep. Here it is:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi613.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt211%2Fwindebieste%2FAlien3Pass.jpg&hash=c970a8a272ca9647a98e8e9f466295c16b656f5e)
No, SM. You can't have this. :P
-Windebieste.
Nice. I love Alien 3 like crazy, but my favorite version would be a fusion of both AC and TC. But if I really had to chose, its theatrical cut for me for many reasons. And its the only movie Ive ever seen where I prefer the theatrical cut over extended or directors cut
There's a better version of the movie between the two cuts.
I'd restore a lot of the character stuff in the AC, but i'd keep the dog burster, and i'd definitely use the queen burster from the TC. The effect falling into the fire just looks way way better. The AC looks like some kind of a high quality animatic for what the final shot was supposed to be.
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Most of the character stuff in the first half is a waste of time. You get extra time with Boggs, Rains, Golic, Frank and Murphy. All of whom are dead by the end of the first half or just after. Would've been better off beefing up Morse, David, Kevin, Gregor, etc so we might give a shit at the end.
TC cut too much; AC didn't cut enough (obviously).
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Edit the egg out of it.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
There's a better version of the movie between the two cuts.
I'd restore a lot of the character stuff in the AC, but i'd keep the dog burster, and i'd definitely use the queen burster from the TC. The effect falling into the fire just looks way way better. The AC looks like some kind of a high quality animatic for what the final shot was supposed to be.
I definitely agree with all of this. Use the opening and crash from the TC, the dog burster and Ripley's death from the TC, and everything else from the AC.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:09:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Edit the egg out of it.
CG it so it's panning across the dropship landing gear well.
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 04:12:18 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:09:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Edit the egg out of it.
CG it so it's panning across the dropship landing gear well.
How about a facehugger crawling down the landing gear instead?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:14:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 04:12:18 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:09:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Edit the egg out of it.
CG it so it's panning across the dropship landing gear well.
How about a facehugger crawling down the landing gear instead?
I can dig it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:14:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 04:12:18 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:09:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Edit the egg out of it.
CG it so it's panning across the dropship landing gear well.
How about a facehugger crawling down the landing gear instead?
Nah, my way's prolly cheaper, cos you can repurpose existing footage.
Could recolor and reuse some of the shots from the scene in Aliens where everything is sitting quietly while the marines are in hypersleep.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Jan 19, 2017, 04:11:19 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
There's a better version of the movie between the two cuts.
I'd restore a lot of the character stuff in the AC, but i'd keep the dog burster, and i'd definitely use the queen burster from the TC. The effect falling into the fire just looks way way better. The AC looks like some kind of a high quality animatic for what the final shot was supposed to be.
I definitely agree with all of this. Use the opening and crash from the TC, the dog burster and Ripley's death from the TC, and everything else from the AC.
Bingo
I'd actually combine some of the AC/TC stuff regarding the crashing of the EEV. Seeing more of Clemens, and having him find Ripley had some really good cinematography. On the other hand I always preferred the montage showing each person's death in the TC. (The way the screen is shot in the AC doesn't feel nearly as compelling by comparison to the super close up computer images.) Some of the composite shots of the EEV don't look as good in the TC as they do in the AC. So i'd probably fuse those together.
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 04:25:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:14:24 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 04:12:18 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 19, 2017, 04:09:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Edit the egg out of it.
CG it so it's panning across the dropship landing gear well.
How about a facehugger crawling down the landing gear instead?
Nah, my way's prolly cheaper, cos you can repurpose existing footage.
Does it have to be footage from Alien 3?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 04:53:22 AM
Could recolor and reuse some of the shots from the scene in Aliens where everything is sitting quietly while the marines are in hypersleep.
That's sorta what I had in mind, except it would have to be this angle to show the rear landing leg where the queen was.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2F11tq0jt.jpg&hash=fc355cd68487d4efbb2557f2e23c2dfbce127b71)
Just replace the egg scene with this and animate a CG facehugger leaping out of the landing gear well and scurrying away.
While we're at it, we need Biehn to record some additional dialogue about the Onager to insert in Aliens too.
I've had the pleasure of catching the saga in the cinema at one of those marathons but I'd happily go and see Alien 3 again, in any form, at the cinema. But to be honest, I'd be all over some sort of tidy up effort. Reshoot the opening sequence (of late I like the idea of showing a facehugger creeping aboard, showing an out-of-focus Ripley vs. Queen in the background) and tidying up of the special effects.
Yeah I'd definitely go and see the AC from the bluray at the cinema. But i do agree with some edits. Alter the opening to involve a facehugger coming from the dropship instead of a random egg. Use the screens of the dead characters from the TC but I'd interweave that after Clemens runs into the showers carrying Ripley, telling the prisoners to get the EEV as there may be others. Thats when you edit that in. Update some of the Alien effects during Clemens death and the Bait and Chase, remove Murphy's Spike line again as its not needed i feel and i think that about covers it for me
The best way to improve on Alien 3 besides the landing gear idea:
Dont show a facehugger or egg at all and remove all clues that ripley has an alien in her and the fact the dog/OX had been facehugged and let the first reveal of the alien be when it kills those 3 with the lights on the ground scene.
So it just appears out of nowhere?
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 06:43:52 PM
So it just appears out of nowhere?
Pretty much but later when Ripley talks to Bishop she as the audience get to know there was an alien/facehuggers onboard. First clue is when the alien dont kill ripley after it takes care of clemens.
I prefer it being a mystery. Watching alien 3 as it is now we know already there is an alien and when it will show up but the prisoners etc dont which takes out some of the atmosphere of the movie in my opinion.
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 03:59:06 AM
Most of the character stuff in the first half is a waste of time. You get extra time with Boggs, Rains, Golic, Frank and Murphy. All of whom are dead by the end of the first half or just after. Would've been better off beefing up Morse, David, Kevin, Gregor, etc so we might give a shit at the end.
TC cut too much; AC didn't cut enough (obviously).
I agree with you about Morse. There's a webpage where I saw a clip of him screaming out when Aaron gets killed. He seemed really affected by his death which led me to believe there was something more to their relationship. But I can understand why it was cut because the whole movie he's just giving Aaron shit, and for him to have such a drastic change of heart wouldn't have felt right.
Quote from: judge death on Jan 19, 2017, 06:52:28 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 19, 2017, 06:43:52 PM
So it just appears out of nowhere?
Pretty much but later when Ripley talks to Bishop she as the audience get to know there was an alien/facehuggers onboard. First clue is when the alien dont kill ripley after it takes care of clemens.
I prefer it being a mystery. Watching alien 3 as it is now we know already there is an alien and when it will show up but the prisoners etc dont which takes out some of the atmosphere of the movie in my opinion.
I think they tried that and it didn't work with the test audiences. Creating some mystery for a bit longer might work, but they needed to make Ripley aware of the Alien earlier.
QuoteI agree with you about Morse. There's a webpage where I saw a clip of him screaming out when Aaron gets killed. He seemed really affected by his death which led me to believe there was something more to their relationship. But I can understand why it was cut because the whole movie he's just giving Aaron shit, and for him to have such a drastic change of heart wouldn't have felt right.
That was the workprint. I wrote a rundown on it years ago. It doesn't come across as a change of heart, but something of a reveal that the constant sniping and bickering was something of a front.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
There's a better version of the movie between the two cuts.
I'd restore a lot of the character stuff in the AC, but i'd keep the dog burster, and i'd definitely use the queen burster from the TC. The effect falling into the fire just looks way way better. The AC looks like some kind of a high quality animatic for what the final shot was supposed to be.
Also i'd somehow want to try and fix the opening. I'm not entirely sure how or what could be done to fix it, though.
Damm, did you read my mind or something?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 19, 2017, 05:55:58 AM
On the other hand I always preferred the montage showing each person's death in the TC. (The way the screen is shot in the AC doesn't feel nearly as compelling by comparison to the super close up computer images.)
Those super-imposed graphics take you out of the movie, though. I like how it's just Andrews, bureaucratically typing on a computer. Very nihilistic, very Alien 3, the way that was done. It makes their deaths seem even more throwaway.
Nah, for me the typing on the computer was completely flat dramatically, as if watching a secretary in an office. Even the music doesnt help. In TC, the text appears to the audience revealing, even as a text, in a very chilling and dramatic way with the help of a cue, the terrible fate of each of the last movie's survivors. That moment when the text appears with a message saying "dead" and that creepy, startling note comes up along with the photo of the body, its a heart dropping moment
But again, to each their own
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 22, 2017, 05:34:02 AM
as if watching a secretary in an office.
That's the point. The bureaucratic, cold, unfeeling nature fits very well into that universe.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 23, 2017, 02:43:04 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 22, 2017, 05:34:02 AM
as if watching a secretary in an office.
That's the point. The bureaucratic, cold, unfeeling nature fits very well into that universe.
I didnt get is as "cold", I got it as completely no other emotion than just a bored secretary, as if someone spliced somebody writing their e-mail. I thought the soundtrack along with the actual reveal that they died was much more stronger and hitting emotionally, than just blankly typing it out without anything. For me, that was cold , and horrifying - seeing their name appear and then the sudden BAM! "dead", and a shot of their bodies. Soundtrack really works wonders in there. Seeing someone typing their homework almost completely ruins the emotional terror and weight of the scene, for me at least
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 22, 2017, 05:34:02 AM
Nah, for me the typing on the computer was completely flat dramatically, as if watching a secretary in an office. Even the music doesnt help. In TC, the text appears to the audience revealing, even as a text, in a very chilling and dramatic way with the help of a cue, the terrible fate of each of the last movie's survivors. That moment when the text appears with a message saying "dead" and that creepy, startling note comes up along with the photo of the body, its a heart dropping moment
But again, to each their own
You feel me.
Plus it also has a strong continuity with Alien when that version of the event is used.
"WHAT ARE MY CHANCES?
DOES NOT COMPUTE."
I would definitely watch the AC in the theaters, cleaned up or not. As for the egg replacement idea, I prefer Local Trouble's idea best. Maybe even just show a few claws peeking in the light. As others have said, a mix of TC and AC would be the prized film version.
Too bad we can't fix the cryotubes too.
That is at least one reason I will always prefer Camereon over Fincher wherein the Alien series is concerned. Right down to the camera lenses, editing style, and shot choices he tried to make his film segway from Scott's into his own.
The Assembly Cut from the Blu-ray was a little better, but still you can't polish a turd. I was about 13 when Alien3 came out. I'm glad I watched this film for the first time on a shitty VHS cam job, that was being passed around my school. It was like a massive punch in the gut, after being soo excited to watch alien3, after being a massive Alien(s) fan back then. So nope, I will not pay to watch Alien3 with or without the Assembly cut. The only way I would be a tiny bit interested to see A3 on the big screen is if David Fincher made his own director's cut.. but doubt that will ever happen since he wants nothing to do with the film.. However I hope one day he finally gives us his side of the story and at least does a commentary or gets involved in any future documentary about Alien3. Then I may be happy to pay at least for that.
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 26, 2017, 11:16:59 AM
The Assembly Cut from the Blu-ray was a little better, but still you can't polish a turd. I was about 13 when Alien3 came out. I'm glad I watched this film for the first time on a shitty VHS cam job, that was being passed around my school. It was like a massive punch in the gut, after being soo excited to watch alien3, after being a massive Alien(s) fan back then. So nope, I will not pay to watch Alien3 with or without the Assembly cut. The only way I would be a tiny bit interested to see A3 on the big screen is if David Fincher made his own director's cut.. but doubt that will ever happen since he wants nothing to do with the film.. However I hope one day he finally gives us his side of the story and at least does a commentary or gets involved in any future documentary about Alien3. Then I may be happy to pay at least for that.
The funny thing is, i watched it for the first time when i was about 8 or 9 on VHS. (Its the typical parent thing of you can watch someone get diced in graphic detail in a fan, but if they start having sex Im turning it off lmao). I really enjoyed it. As a kid the darkness and bleakness of the story grabbed me. Its probably what got me into Horror in the first place bar a few Stephen King Books
First time I saw it was when I was 10, straight after finishing watching Aliens all the way through for the first time (had tried twice over the years but got too scared). I remember my Dad warning me it was crap. I enjoyed it then and I still enjoy it now. If anything, finding out more about the development of the film and reading the alternate scripts gave me a greater appreciation for the film.
I know it's a mess though. I don't think it's a flawless film or a masterpiece but there's a lot in there that I love. I just appreciate it more knowing I could have had a wooden planet where a chestburster is exorcised out of Ripley.
Oh i just had another idea. Might be a bit much but it may work.
Use both the Ox and Dog, but have the Dog Burster be the one shown. So that way its a thing when they show the Queen Facehugger in the abbatoir but thats where its ended up after Facehugging Spike the Dog and Ripley.
Bit Much?
I can understand why people are Fans of A3. I don't hate it because I think it's a bad film, as in story or acting. I hate it because it really upset me and truly devastated and gutted me when watching it when I was 13. My dad let me watch Alien when I was around 5 and that give me nightmares for weeks. Aliens I watched when I was about 10 and was truly blown away by how cool it was. I literally lived breathed everything Alien(s) in my preteen and teenage years. Then when I heard the were making A3 my puny mind almost exploded with excitement. I was soo hyped for this film then when I finally watched A3, it was such a depressing moment that still sticks with me to this day when I try to watch A3. :'(
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 26, 2017, 12:08:15 PM
Then when I heard the were making A3 my puny mind almost exploded with excitement. I was soo hyped for this film then when I finally watched A3, it was such a depressing moment that still sticks with me to this day when I try to watch A3. :'(
Think of this though. Would you of looked at Alien 3 differently at the time had they released the Assembly Cut in cinemas instead? I think it truly completes Fincher's vision more and makes it go from like a 4 or 5 star movie to like a 7. Like others have said its not a 120% PERFECT cut of what Alien 3 should of been but its still the closest thing we will probably EVER get.
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 26, 2017, 01:03:52 PM
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 26, 2017, 12:08:15 PM
Then when I heard the were making A3 my puny mind almost exploded with excitement. I was soo hyped for this film then when I finally watched A3, it was such a depressing moment that still sticks with me to this day when I try to watch A3. :'(
Think of this though. Would you of looked at Alien 3 differently at the time had they released the Assembly Cut in cinemas instead? I think it truly completes Fincher's vision more and makes it go from like a 4 or 5 star movie to like a 7. Like others have said its not a 120% PERFECT cut of what Alien 3 should of been but its still the closest thing we will probably EVER get.
Probably would of enjoyed it a tiny bit more. But the 13year old kimo would of still been gutted and disappointed with the outcome. It's mainly because when I was a kid, Aliens was the best thing I've ever seen. I loved the characters, the plot and the guns. Also back then, anyone my age automatically thought we were going to get a bigger and better A3 movie then we got, like More guns and action ect ect. But we never got any of that.
Aliens when I was a kid, was my all time favourite film. But when I was in my 20's Alien has become my favourite from the franchise... (But this got me thinking) If Aliens never existed and A3 became Alien2 and you removed the other characters from Aliens in A3. Then Ripley drifting for 57years then suddenly crash landing on Fury would make a great sequel to Alien. But unfortunately Aliens being such an awesome sequel to Alien just set the benchmark way to high for A3.
I have over the years tried to watch A3 and I've tried to give it a chance. I've come to accepted it, in the alien universe as a solid but poor sequel... But I just can't get that sour taste out of my mouth from the disappointment.
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 26, 2017, 01:03:52 PMWould you of looked at Alien 3 differently at the time had they released the Assembly Cut in cinemas instead?
I don't think I would of. I could of if they'd given us William Gibson's version, which they should of despite the geopolitical changes happening at the time.
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 26, 2017, 02:58:21 PMProbably would of enjoyed it a tiny bit more. But the 13year old kimo would of still been gutted and disappointed with the outcome.
Wouldn't you of liked to of seen William Gibson's version instead?
A smorgasbord of of/ have. :laugh:
Whatever you think of the movie, it undeniably has great moody feel , atmosphere and the soundtrack is unbelievable. I recently found a full orchestra performing some tracks on youtube
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 26, 2017, 08:21:46 PMI don't think I would of. I could of if they'd given us William Gibson's version, which they should of despite the geopolitical changes happening at the time.
You guys are doing this to be funny, right? Please tell me you're doing this to be funny. :-[
On topic, though - I saw the film twice in theatres opening day, and whether you like the film or not, that thin-sounding centre channel 20th Century Fox theme (minus the last note) crescendoing into the full surround, balls-to-the-wall-loud Alien3 score is something every moviegoer should experience. :)
^The 20C beginning blending with Goldenthal's score would be worth the praise of admission.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 26, 2017, 10:22:05 PMI recently found a full orchestra performing some tracks on youtube
We need a hyperlink please.
Sometimes live performances of film music are better than the recorded versions. Sometimes they're a bit lacking. I found this a bit of a mix of both. And also breaking all sorts of copyrights no doubt.
Quote from: SM on Jan 27, 2017, 12:15:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX6W-DZDkqg
Sometimes live performances of film music are better than the recorded versions. Sometimes they're a bit lacking. I found this a bit of a mix of both. And also breaking all sorts of copyrights no doubt.
Yep, thats it. They did a lot of different movie music, I think its really good for the most part
Thank you!
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 26, 2017, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 26, 2017, 08:21:46 PMI don't think I would of. I could of if they'd given us William Gibson's version, which they should of despite the geopolitical changes happening at the time.
You guys are doing this to be funny, right? Please tell me you're doing this to be funny. :-[
No, I
really do think the William Gibson script would of made a better movie.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 26, 2017, 11:44:01 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 26, 2017, 08:21:46 PMI don't think I would of. I could of if they'd given us William Gibson's version, which they should of despite the geopolitical changes happening at the time.
You guys are doing this to be funny, right? Please tell me you're doing this to be funny. :-[
No, I really do think the William Gibson script would of made a better movie.
I think his second draft would have been a better movie. I would have hated the first draft.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 08:45:15 AM
I think his second draft would have been a better movie. I would have hated the first draft.
I would have chucked out the half-breed/change aspect entirely. Just had them use alien material scraped off Bishops entrails to incubate eggs (very rapidly to their surprise) and have them get out.
The second draft is much improved, and I think does a far better credit to all the characters.
I'm somewhat warming up to the New Breed idea. I think it's a good idea to show more variations on the Alien, especially if they are going down the road of them being designed creatures.
Completely agree in regards to the characters in the second draft. They're done far better. Much more focus and attention.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 11:14:23 AM
I'm somewhat warming up to the New Breed idea. I think it's a good idea to show more variations on the Alien, especially if they are going down the road of them being designed creatures.
Completely agree in regards to the characters in the second draft. They're done far better. Much more focus and attention.
Also in the second draft he doesnt introduce characters only to kill them off half a page later lol
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 26, 2017, 08:21:46 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 26, 2017, 01:03:52 PMWould you of looked at Alien 3 differently at the time had they released the Assembly Cut in cinemas instead?
I don't think I would of. I could of if they'd given us William Gibson's version, which they should of despite the geopolitical changes happening at the time.
Quote from: Kimo on Jan 26, 2017, 02:58:21 PMProbably would of enjoyed it a tiny bit more. But the 13year old kimo would of still been gutted and disappointed with the outcome.
Wouldn't you of liked to of seen William Gibson's version instead?
I ain't read the whole script, but ive read enough bits online from different sources to get the idea and feel of were Gibson wanted to go with his A3. Personally I think it would of been better then what we got, especially if I was 13 years old watching it for the first time. It's a shame, because Fox pissing about and interfering and doing rewrites of A3 probably cost them more in the long run. That extra cash could of been used on a script just like Gibsons. Ward's idea I thought was way to out there for my taste. It was definitely an interesting and original concept, (some of which did make it into the final version of A3) but I'm glad the never went with Ward's idea. However I think Ward's involvement in the making of A3 documentary was a blast to listen to.
Does anyone know where I can read this second draft at? My interest is peaked.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 08:45:15 AM
I think his second draft would have been a better movie. I would have hated the first draft.
I always mean the second draft when I talk about his script nowadays.
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Jan 27, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
Does anyone know where I can read this second draft at? My interest is peaked.
Behold!http://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/
A Hicks fan should love it.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2017, 07:50:20 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 08:45:15 AM
I think his second draft would have been a better movie. I would have hated the first draft.
I always mean the second draft when I talk about his script nowadays.
Understood. In that case, agreed.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2017, 09:45:30 PM
A Hicks fan should love it.
He definitely gets plenty to do which I admit I did enjoy.
That was quite an interesting read.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
He definitely gets plenty to do which I admit I did enjoy.
I wish Dark Horse would adapt it into a comic book, the same way they did with The Star Wars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars). Would you like that, fella? :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Jan 27, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
Does anyone know where I can read this second draft at? My interest is peaked.
Behold!
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/downloads/
Thank you kind sir.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2017, 12:28:31 AM
I wish Dark Horse would adapt it into a comic book, the same way they did with The Star Wars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars). Would you like that, fella? :)
That would be pretty awesome.
All this talk about editing the two versions of the film makes me want to do a fan edit.
I was just thinking about ways I could tie Alien 3 into the other two films more. I kept imagining the longer cut of the ending where Ripley really has to grapple with her choice for a much longer beat before she finally commits to suicide. I was seeing images and voice over influencing the scene, where Ripley remembers her last words with Hicks "See you Hicks." "Dwayne... it's Dwayne." and lastly her promise to Newt. "I cross my heart." "And hope to die?" "And Hope to die."
I was also imagining a much more direct connection for the opening between Aliens and Alien 3. Using bits of Aliens to open Alien 3 where Ripley and Newt are in Hypersleep, and you hear their exchange to each other before they finally got in the tubes. Inter-cutting with shots of the dropship bay, them asleep in the tubes, the shot of the hugger inching towards the tubes.
I might actually make a separate thread in the fan section and try to put some of this together...
I wonder how hard it would be to crop and replace certain scenes from the opening sequence to at least imply that Ripley and the others were transferred into the different cryotubes at some point during the evacuation process.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj274%2Ftv1rj070%2FEEV%2520337%2Feev-work.jpg&hash=ed6650acb22f502f23a44f83b874c63133d7457f)
Maybe with a digital diagram done in a similar style to the rest intercut with that shot where Ripley's eyes and body flutter(the light in that scene indicates a lot of motion.)
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2017, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
He definitely gets plenty to do which I admit I did enjoy.
I wish Dark Horse would adapt it into a comic book, the same way they did with The Star Wars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars). Would you like that, fella? :)
I'd be all over that like a bad rash. In fact, despite my rather negative opinions on the rest of the scripts (aside from Twohy's), I'd be all over that for all of them.
I've seen the Aliens SE in the cinema (well, the Albert Hall) and both that and the Alien DC are always on at the Prince Charles Cinema in London, but I've never seen the extended cut of Alien 3 on show theatrically anywhere. Would love to watch it. But was it ever even made into a theatrical print?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 28, 2017, 12:28:31 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
He definitely gets plenty to do which I admit I did enjoy.
I wish Dark Horse would adapt it into a comic book, the same way they did with The Star Wars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars). Would you like that, fella? :)
I'd be all over that like a bad rash. In fact, despite my rather negative opinions on the rest of the scripts (aside from Twohy's), I'd be all over that for all of them.
Dark Horse could make a nice little series out of adapting
all the unused scripts for Alien 3.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2017, 04:11:59 AMNo, I really do think the William Gibson script would of made a better movie.
I think Gibson's first draft is pretty terrible. It's chock full of the worst over-the-top
Aliens excess.
His second was a good script.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 07:31:58 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 27, 2017, 04:11:59 AMNo, I really do think the William Gibson script would of made a better movie.
I think Gibson's first draft is pretty terrible. It's chock full of the worst over-the-top Aliens excess.
His second was a good script.
I'm honestly convinced he was being sarcastic with that first draft.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 18, 2017, 06:04:08 PM
A remastered edition with updated visual effects would make it worth my while though.
:D You got to get over the idea that anyone would EVER go back and redo the special effects for this film. Accept the Assembly Cut for what it is Local. The 2003 version is the closest thing we will ever get to, "updated special effects".
Well, they did re-record the voiceovers with the original actors for the bluray edition post 2003.
i would just end the movie differently. i actually like the 'epic' somewhat 'satisfactional' music that pairs with ripley dying in the flames of the furnace,
but i would include a post-title scene that is simply a repeat of what you see in the opening; ripley breathing and panicking in her cryotube.
it was all a dream.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 07:30:22 PM
Dark Horse could make a nice little series out of adapting all the unused scripts for Alien 3.
I'd say get tweeting them but I never see them respond to anything. :laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 29, 2017, 07:29:55 PM
I've seen the Aliens SE in the cinema (well, the Albert Hall) and both that and the Alien DC are always on at the Prince Charles Cinema in London, but I've never seen the extended cut of Alien 3 on show theatrically anywhere. Would love to watch it. But was it ever even made into a theatrical print?
It doesn't really matter these days with the digital projectors.
i'm gonna sound stupid but , what exactly is the assembly cut?
i've seen the theatrical version and the special edition, but i haven't heard of an assembly cut before.
what's the difference?
The assembly cut is on the Alien Quadrilogy. It's Alien 3's equivalent to the Aliens special edition... Though in Alien 3's case(At least on the original DVD quad release) it has unfinished sound and some additional sketchy effects. It restores entire subplots that were cut form the movie. IE the prisoner's seal Spike in the trap after the explosion, and then Golic is untied and goes and releases Spike from the Waste Containment, only to get shanked by the alien for his trouble. There's other bits and pieces all over. The entire beginning is completely different with Ripley washing ashore. The burster comes out of an Ox instead of a dog... etc etc.
ah, so it's like the Director's Cut? i dunno, i watched Alein3 'DC' assuming it's Director's cut and indeed ripley washes ashore and there was an ox instead of a dog.
Quote from: Chronicle on Jan 29, 2017, 11:13:57 PM:D You got to get over the idea that anyone would EVER go back and redo the special effects for this film. Accept the Assembly Cut for what it is Local. The 2003 version is the closest thing we will ever get to, "updated special effects".
They did actually use some CGI to finish off an unfinished effect shot especially for the AC. Specifically, the shot of the infant Alien running away from the ox. The creature legitimately is CGI in that shot, and it was done in 2003.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 30, 2017, 12:14:21 AMit was all a dream.
Eugh.
I thought the dumb dream idea had died.
Quote from: cliffhanger on Jan 30, 2017, 10:45:34 AMah, so it's like the Director's Cut?
It's the same thing; the extended version is officially called the Assembly Cut, not Director's Cut, because the director had nothing to do with putting it together (short of his original notes being used as a guide).
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 30, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
(short of his original notes being used as a guide).
I'm shocked the poor bastard ever had time for notes.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2017, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 07:30:22 PM
Dark Horse could make a nice little series out of adapting all the unused scripts for Alien 3.
I'd say get tweeting them but I never see them respond to anything. :laugh:
Don't you have some influence? Maybe SM could make some calls.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2017, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 07:30:22 PM
Dark Horse could make a nice little series out of adapting all the unused scripts for Alien 3.
It doesn't really matter these days with the digital projectors.
Exactly! I think it could easily be accomplished. All they have to do essentially is run the blu-ray version of Alien 3 Assembly Cut through a digital projector and WHA-LAH! You got Alien 3 the Assembly Cut in theaters my friend!
"wha-lah"?
srsly?
How else do you spell voila?
Mon dieu!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 30, 2017, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2017, 09:23:38 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 29, 2017, 07:30:22 PM
Dark Horse could make a nice little series out of adapting all the unused scripts for Alien 3.
I'd say get tweeting them but I never see them respond to anything. :laugh:
Don't you have some influence? Maybe SM could make some calls.
I've not had regular contact with Dark Horse for about 7 years now, unfortunately. I occasionally harrass Randy Stradley on Facebook about recolouring AvP with Wes Dzioba doing it but never had a single response. :laugh:
Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2017, 02:08:55 AM
How else do you spell voila?
Quote from: SM on Jan 31, 2017, 02:00:43 AM
"wha-lah"?
srsly?
:laugh: :laugh: sorry for the misspelling. Now I know :)