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What do we think? I'm questioning the legitimacy but hey ho it ruffles the feathers!
If this is true I don't think I like it
I take this with a grain of salt. It's a very obvious, on the nose idea, but who knows, maybe it's true. We'll have to wait and see. If it is true, I'm not overly thrilled or displeased. I just want a good movie.
Maybe this will excite people or fans, but I find it without interest!
Not a good idea(This would mean she would survive perhaps plot spoiler or reboot?)
Oh dear.....
It is upsetting, if this is true, that the series just won't let Ripley go.
I don't much care for this.
For the love of god leave anything ripley alone..just has to be in everything all the books, the games and movies.. Riley was great in the original franchise and a few other parts, and it makes sense for amanda to encounter an alien. But ripleys mother? no.. how in the hell does this ONE FAMILY get terrorized so badly? its getting ridiculous.
BILLIONS of people and the universe is like hmm this family right here. lets ruin their lives only
Interesting
I really hope this ends up being incorrect. It would be such a lame and on-the-nose thing to do. Fox really need to let go of the Ripley character.
I'm not for this idea at all & don't even like it as a thought. We don't need to have the entire Ripley family be involved with the Xenos. Ellen was just fine enough. Then they add in her daughter Amanda, now the possibility of her mom like just give it up already it sounds stupid the more I think about it. I hate to say it but I'm getting less & less hopefully on the outcome of Covenant the more news that keeps popping out. I really don't think we're going to get the movie we're looking for to revitalize the franchise. The heavy religious tone already kills it for me, I hated all that stuff in Prometheus & looks like they're still sticking with it. I'm gonna watch it one way or another because it's Alien related but I don't have high hopes either.
Amanda was stretching it and it worked out really well in the end. Ripley's mother is just so ridiculous. It doesn't even work on the same level that Amanda and Isolation did. Her involvement in Covenant would just serve to make the universe smaller.
Please be wrong. Please be so very wrong.
Horrible idea, if true. So, the Alien is to the Ripley family, what the great white is to the Brody family. This is would take the series into that ridiculous Jaws: The Revenge territory, where the Brodys, once again, are plagued by a great white.
PLEASE BE FALSE!!!!
I agree, Amanda was a bit stretching to me at first but it actually worked out in the end but yea, this idea involving her mother really just seems like the most silly thing they could think of. It just wouldn't make much sense to me. So her mother just decided NOT to tell her daughter a single thing about her Alien encounter? Or would they make it even more stupid by having Ellen Ripley just be a baby in this & her mother ends up dying during the movie & the baby goes off to live at Uncle Owen's? Would be nice if they actually check out the forum to read our reactions to such ideas & take note haha
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2016, 07:55:18 PM
Amanda was stretching it and it worked out really well in the end. Ripley's mother is just so ridiculous. It doesn't even work on the same level that Amanda and Isolation did. Her involvement in Covenant would just serve to make the universe smaller.
Please be wrong. Please be so very wrong.
This just in, Jonesy's mother will now be a part of the Covenant story... ::)
Quote from: lv_226 on Jun 09, 2016, 08:00:15 PM
This just in Corporal, Jonesy's mother will now be a part of the Covenant story.. ::)
LOL! We'll get to see kitten Jonesy being born
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 09, 2016, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: lv_226 on Jun 09, 2016, 08:00:15 PM
This just in Corporal, Jonesy's mother will now be a part of the Covenant story.. ::)
LOL! We'll get to see kitten Jonesy being born
The birth scene is supposed to rival the med-pod scene...
LOL @ kitten...
I've just heard from my own sources! Turns out Jonsey was Daniel's cat!
its liek fox cant decide if they want the aliens ot be super secret squirrel or everyone knows about them
Seems to receiving quite a bit of early backlash but any publicity is good publicity. I'm choosing to continue placing faith in Ridley and the entire crew that this is gonna stand alongside Alien Isolation and that piece's family connection, as the best thing in the franchise for 30 years.
Besides it may not be true!
Quote from: lv_226 on Jun 09, 2016, 08:11:44 PM
The birth scene is supposed to rival the med-pod scene...
I can see it now with all of them sitting in the writer's room.
"So how do we one-up the med-pod from our first outting?"
"Well, we can film a real life cat birthing & tie one of the kitten's up to be Jonesy from the 1st film"
"And Ripley's mom is the one that gives the young kitten to young Ellen"
"Perfect, cut & print."
Aren't you guys meaning Jones's mother or father?
Quote from: oduodu on Jun 09, 2016, 08:25:03 PM
Aren't you guys meaning Jones's mother or father?
That's
exactly what we're meaning. I'm talking about seeing Jones' MOM give birth to Jones.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2016, 08:16:34 PM
I've just heard from my own sources! Turns out Jonsey was Daniel's cat!
My mind is blown...
Is he also, according to my sources, the one who activates the signal on the derelict for the Nostromo to come and pick him up?
I assume this birth happens on the covenant. So Jones pilots the escape pod? And is picked up by the company? Left for dead at thedus before Ripley saves him?
Sounds about right ;)
Cool.
LOL....
Of course this is all sarcasm or at least it is on my end. Seeing a smaller Jones or even his mother would be about as bad an idea as having Ellen's mom appear in the movie.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 09, 2016, 08:59:59 PM
Of course this is all sarcasm or at least it is on my end. Seeing a smaller Jones or even his mother would be about as bad an idea as having Ellen's mom appear in the movie.
Oh, I'm definitely there with you as far as the sarcasm and the whole Ripley's mom thing.
Quote from: lv_226 on Jun 09, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
Oh, I'm definitely there with you as far as the sarcasm and the whole Ripley's mom thing.
I kinda thought so haha Better to at least have fun or in this case make fun rather than just be all disgruntled about the actual news for this post.
That's... That's a terrible idea. Please be wrong.
Quote from: Nazrel on Jun 09, 2016, 07:44:29 PM
For the love of god leave anything ripley alone..just has to be in everything all the books, the games and movies.. Riley was great in the original franchise and a few other parts, and it makes sense for amanda to encounter an alien. But ripleys mother? no.. how in the hell does this ONE FAMILY get terrorized so badly? its getting ridiculous.
BILLIONS of people and the universe is like hmm this family right here. lets ruin their lives only
PERFECT! :laugh:
I am honestly starting to get sick and tired of Ripley.
Ripley fights them multiple times.
Ripley's mother fights them.
Ripley's daughter fights them.
Ripley's Synthetic fights them.
Ripley's clone fights them.
Ripley's bloody descendant fights them.
What next? Her ANCESTOR clubbed Xenos back in the stone age???
Please be wrong... don't turn Alien into one big f**king parody of a franchise.
Wanna survive in this universe? No prob mate, just legally change your surname to Ripley and you are guaranteed survival and ass kickery.
The only way this works is if Mother Rip is actually evil and works for the company.
Though what I find even more amusing is all the people who just want this movie to come & go so Neil's will happen. What do you think that movie would be about? It's yet again another Ripley story. As far as I'm concerned, Neil's movie already happened. It's called Book 1, Book 2 & Earth War in comic form. I'm so ready for a story that has no Ripley connection what so ever. The freature is why I watch these movies, not just solely for Ripley.
Thanks, 'Isolation' and 'Out Of The Shadows'! Your creative laziness has truly paved the way for this awesomeness! Good job!
Yeah, Amanda's characterisation was refreshingly realistic, but let's face it, she didn't need to be part of the Ripley clan for the same basic sequence of events to have worked.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 09, 2016, 09:26:30 PM
Though what I find even more amusing is all the people who just want this movie to come & go so Neil's will happen. What do you think that movie would be about? It's yet again another Ripley story. As far as I'm concerned, Neil's movie already happened. It's called Book 1, Book 2 & Earth War in comic form. I'm so ready for a story that has no Ripley connection what so ever. The freature is why I watch these movies, not just solely for Ripley.
RIPLEY
RIPLEYS
RIPLEY 3
RIPLEY RESURRECTIOM
RIPLEY vs PREDATOR
RIPLEYS vs PREDATOR REQUIEM
RIPLEYTHEUS
RIPLEY COVENANT
This worked in Isolation because every other element of the story came together. In fact, these elements created an atmosphere so good that I totally got on board with the whole Amanda Ripley thing. Considering that most people, outside of the fandom, will not have played Isolation, I can see they (Fox, Ridley, the writers) could see this as a potentially good idea. However, taken in concert, the whole concept of the Ripley clan being cursed by this creature is something that is unnecessary and unimaginative...
Prometheus was new, different, and had not Ripley connection and it was successful. If anything, it was a step in the right direction (issues that others may have with it aside). Covenant seems to still have that element in tow, but the whole Ripley thing rubs me the wrong way.
Wonder if we'll see Ellen Ripley in Covenant if this is true. She would already be 11 years old by the time of Alien: Covenant.
Genetically, this is what Ripley's mom would really look like:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette1.wikia.nocookie.net%2Favp%2Fimages%2Fe%2Fec%2FAmanda_Ripley-McClaren_picture.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20150107202512&hash=6524ecf2b17d15f4bbfd55868ca5c93d113d5738)
Looks like it might be true after all, opened the link to the article but no mention about her Being Ripley´ mother, only Spoiler removed at the request of the studio.
I checked zenopedia and it said that Ripley mum got pregnant on board a ship(it was against company regulations) and her husband lived with her until Ripley was 3.
THAT'S f**kING RETARDED, SO ITS NOT JUST RIPLEY AND HERE DAUGHTER AMANDA WHO'VE HAD A XENOMORPH ENCOUNTER BUT HER MOTHER TOO >:(
So prometheus remains the only movie that doesn't have a tie to Ripley?
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 09, 2016, 07:59:25 PMOr would they make it even more stupid by having Ellen Ripley just be a baby in this & her mother ends up dying during the movie & the baby goes off to live at Uncle Owen's?
Beat me to it. The trilogy will end with David delivering Ellen Ripley to Owen and Beru on Tatooine. You heard it here first!
I see Ridley Scott still hasn't re-learned how to make good movies, huh? Alien: Isolation was a fluke, using Amanda Ripley as the protagonist worked because people could believe that she would introduce herself to the Alien in order to find out what happened to her mother. Ridley Scott should just stop making Alien movies altogether, I think the only people here who would like this twist are the fans of Prometheus.
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Why all the hate? The Alien films have always been about Ripley's story.
So she's Ripley's mother, so what. >:(
God you people are never satisfied, this is Ridley's story he wants to tell. Let him tell it. ::)
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 11:23:07 PM
Why all the hate? The Alien films have always been about Ripley's story.
About ELLEN RIPLEY.
It's probably cause some of us were hoping for something new maybe, not retreading the same Ripley story over & over. It's playing it safe, not taking a chance doing anything all that different.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 09, 2016, 11:37:57 PM
It's probably cause some of us were hoping for something new maybe, not retreading the same Ripley story over & over. It's playing it safe, not taking a chance doing anything all that different.
This is her mother not her... People need to give it a chance. ::)
It's a bit early for us to get too worked up. This could very well just be a rumor, and even if it is true, it doesn't change any of the other promising things we've seen and heard about the movie.
Jesus, no, no, NO!
For God's sake Scott, not everything has to be interconnected. Lazy storytelling at its worst!
Alien is a franchise that suffers from Chronic Ripley Dependancy.
Quote from: Alexx on Jun 09, 2016, 11:39:14 PM
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 09, 2016, 11:37:57 PM
It's probably cause some of us were hoping for something new maybe, not retreading the same Ripley story over & over. It's playing it safe, not taking a chance doing anything all that different.
This is her mother not her... People need to give it a chance. ::)
I know it's her mother & not her, that's what this post is about. Just seems like a stupid shoehorned in idea to me. Just my opinion. You want to like it that's fine, that's you. Doesn't mean I gotta dig the idea & roll with it too.
For the record, I am a big proponent of a retcon of A3 and AR because I believe a better story could be told featuring the characters of Ripley, Hicks, amd Newt. I could also be open to an Alien: Isolation film featuring Amanda Ripley because it just makes sense.
But having Ripley's mother in the series just crosses the line into ridiculous territory. One family can't have so much bad luck. It just can't...
If this is true, this is severely disapointing. Really, really hopeing it's not. Prometheus showed us that there can be stories in the Alien universe without Ripley. I hope Scott doesn't forget that.
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Oh, f**k off.
Ripley is like a superhero now. Making an Alien movie without Ripley would be like making a Batman movie without Batman. Unless you do a spinoff like Prometheus or AVP, people expect a movie with the title ALIEN to feature Ripley in some form.
If this is true, we really don't know Scott's intentions yet..
David is Ripley's father
How f**king small is this universe?! Ridley has way more respect and integrity for the franchise than this. I'm sure it's wrong. I hope it's wrong!
To me, it's a concept more sickening than Alien 3 and - I LOVE ALIEN 3!
BLAH!
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 11:23:07 PM
Why all the hate? The Alien films have always been about Ripley's story.
Ripley, Ellen: The unluckiest space trucker in the known universe. Fine! We saw her tale. She's dead. Blomkamp needs not to change that. Ripley the Galactic Hero, fated to fight the Alien like Vader was fated to fall to the dark side and Star Wars is the saga of the Skywalker clan? No. Just no. The idea applied to Alien is vomitously horrible. Bad enough we have Ripley's daughter. Now her mom, too?! If true, it's completely ridiculous.
OTOH, isn't there a Dark Horse comic where Ripley is fated through her great-grandfather on earth or something and the aliens have some sort of genetic memory of the Ripley clan? It's a
stupid difficult idea to swallow (because how would the alien species magically know the Nostromo would somehow encounter the derelict or have any contact at all), but it does set a precedent of sorts.
I'd probably wait for more concrete info on this. I personally wouldn't like to see it happen though. But I don't think Ridley really takes much consideration of video games or anything else, so it probably wouldn't be as "on the nose" if he were to do it.
Simple maths.
Ripley's mum + Engineer == ZOMFG that's why she is so damn tall and manly.
Ah screw all you uptightwads; I can dig Waterston playing Ripley's mother.
I'm one of those people who really likes the original Paranormal Activity. I'm a sucker for ghost stories and the fact the thing feels like shit happening to two normal, every day people gets under my skin -- particularly watching it in an old, creeky, two story house. That shit's effective.
But then the sequels rolled out, and it's not shit happening to two normal people. It's this long, family-specific stream of witches and lore and all sorts of bullshit. This isn't something that could happen to anyone, it's something that happens to these specific people and anyone unlucky enough to meet them. And it's f**king boring. It takes the edge off of it.
That's where things like Isolation and this rumour -- hopefully just that -- take us. Alien stops being about poor space truckers, it starts being about the curse of the f**king Ripley family. It wasn't just any hapless souls who happened upon the derelict, it was The One. f**k off already.
Really, really getting bored with every sci fi story turning galaxy-spanning events into a series of unfortunate events for one special family.
I only need to know one thing. Where they are.
and by they, I mean the aliens. I don't really care who else is along for the ride. That's how I look at it. Plus Ripley's mom looks freaking hot.
WTF man. I hope this is garbage.
And to think I was just arguing that just having 3 sequels before ALIENS made the series too convenient!
There is no way to make this happen unless they come up with some VERY, VERY good reason this relates to Ripley's inclusion later on.
And that reason has to be good enough for this to be necessary.
How the hell are we supposed to believe Ripley ends up on LV426 2x and encounters these same circumstances, just by chance?
Are they going to insinuate that Ripley knew what the crew of the Nostromo were doing there all along, - to find her mother and didn't tell anyone? Because that's f**king stupid.
The whole thing is f**king stupid.
It's exactly what people hate about prequels. How can they make this same star-wars prequel-type mistake again here?
Up till now, Ive liked EVERYTHING Ive seen and heard surrounding this movie (apart from the word 'ALIEN' in the title).
Ripley's Mother = Faith in film deflated.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 01:57:56 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 11:23:07 PM
Why all the hate? The Alien films have always been about Ripley's story.
Ripley, Ellen: The unluckiest space trucker in the known universe. Fine! We saw her tale. She's dead. Blomkamp needs not to change that. Ripley the Galactic Hero, fated to fight the Alien like Vader was fated to fall to the dark side and Star Wars is the saga of the Skywalker clan? No. Just no. The idea applied to Alien is vomitously horrible. Bad enough we have Ripley's daughter. Now her mom, too?! If true, it's completely ridiculous.
Not the first Alien but the sequels definitely turned it into that. But if Alien 1979 hadn't made the character so iconic she would never have returned.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2016, 02:40:39 AM
I'm one of those people who really likes the original Paranormal Activity. I'm a sucker for ghost stories and the fact the thing feels like shit happening to two normal, every day people gets under my skin -- particularly watching it in an old, creeky, two story house. That shit's effective.
But then the sequels rolled out, and it's not shit happening to two normal people. It's this long, family-specific stream of witches and lore and all sorts of bullshit. This isn't something that could happen to anyone, it's something that happens to these specific people and anyone unlucky enough to meet them. And it's f**king boring. It takes the edge off of it.
That's where things like Isolation and this rumour -- hopefully just that -- take us. Alien stops being about poor space truckers, it starts being about the curse of the f**king Ripley family. It wasn't just any hapless souls who happened upon the derelict, it was The One. f**k off already.
Really, really getting bored with every sci fi story turning galaxy-spanning events into a series of unfortunate events for one special family.
True, the first movie is not about Ripley, she just happens to be the survivor of that movie. Until James Cameron's Aliens rolled around, and turned the Alien series into the Ripley saga. Now we've had 3 movies that revolve around the character.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 03:24:01 AM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 01:57:56 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 11:23:07 PM
Why all the hate? The Alien films have always been about Ripley's story.
Ripley, Ellen: The unluckiest space trucker in the known universe. Fine! We saw her tale. She's dead. Blomkamp needs not to change that. Ripley the Galactic Hero, fated to fight the Alien like Vader was fated to fall to the dark side and Star Wars is the saga of the Skywalker clan? No. Just no. The idea applied to Alien is vomitously horrible. Bad enough we have Ripley's daughter. Now her mom, too?! If true, it's completely ridiculous.
Not the first Alien but the sequels definitely turned it into that. But if Alien 1979 hadn't made the character so iconic she would never have returned.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2016, 02:40:39 AM
I'm one of those people who really likes the original Paranormal Activity. I'm a sucker for ghost stories and the fact the thing feels like shit happening to two normal, every day people gets under my skin -- particularly watching it in an old, creeky, two story house. That shit's effective.
But then the sequels rolled out, and it's not shit happening to two normal people. It's this long, family-specific stream of witches and lore and all sorts of bullshit. This isn't something that could happen to anyone, it's something that happens to these specific people and anyone unlucky enough to meet them. And it's f**king boring. It takes the edge off of it.
That's where things like Isolation and this rumour -- hopefully just that -- take us. Alien stops being about poor space truckers, it starts being about the curse of the f**king Ripley family. It wasn't just any hapless souls who happened upon the derelict, it was The One. f**k off already.
Really, really getting bored with every sci fi story turning galaxy-spanning events into a series of unfortunate events for one special family.
True, the first movie is not about Ripley, she just happens to be the survivor of that movie. Until James Cameron's Aliens rolled around, and turned the Alien series into the Ripley saga. Now we've had 3 movies that revolve around the character.
Yes, finally someone understands. The Alien series is defacto the Ripley series. Anyone who denies her iconic nature is delusional. Every attempt to make an Alien related film has always depended on some sort of imitation of Ripley's archetypal persona. We don't need to see Ripley's Mom, but we do need a retcon of Alien 3.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2016, 07:47:44 PM
I really hope this ends up being incorrect. It would be such a lame and on-the-nose thing to do. Fox really need to let go of the Ripley character.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I like Isolation and they did a pretty damn good job. But I wouldn't want another game with Amanda. Leave the Ripley family alone please... Bring back Noomi, Shaw was a good character!
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 10, 2016, 03:47:39 AM
Yes, finally someone understands. The Alien series is defacto the Ripley series. Anyone who denies her iconic nature is delusional. Every attempt to make an Alien related film has always depended on some sort of imitation of Ripley's archetypal persona. We don't need to see Ripley's Mom, but we do need a retcon of Alien 3.
Everybody understands. Some like it more than others. I think we do not need to see Ripley's mom, nor do we need a retcon of Alien 3. But because someone at Fox wants it this way, we will likely get both. It's interesting that the authors of the limked article had to rescind the rumor as Fox says it's a spoiler.
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 04:12:56 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 10, 2016, 03:47:39 AM
Yes, finally someone understands. The Alien series is defacto the Ripley series. Anyone who denies her iconic nature is delusional. Every attempt to make an Alien related film has always depended on some sort of imitation of Ripley's archetypal persona. We don't need to see Ripley's Mom, but we do need a retcon of Alien 3.
Everybody understands. Some like it more than others. I think we do not need to see Ripley's mom, nor do we need a retcon of Alien 3.
We didn't need 3 sequels and 3 spinoffs to Alien either but we got them. You know if they mess this whole thing up, it will just get rebooted in 20 years anyway.
I'm sure a Ripley origin story would bring in the crowds.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 04:12:56 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 10, 2016, 03:47:39 AM
Yes, finally someone understands. The Alien series is defacto the Ripley series. Anyone who denies her iconic nature is delusional. Every attempt to make an Alien related film has always depended on some sort of imitation of Ripley's archetypal persona. We don't need to see Ripley's Mom, but we do need a retcon of Alien 3.
Everybody understands. Some like it more than others. I think we do not need to see Ripley's mom, nor do we need a retcon of Alien 3.
We didn't need 3 sequels and 3 spinoffs to Alien either but we got them. You know if they mess this whole thing up, it will just get rebooted in 20 years anyway.
I'm sure a Ripley origin story would bring in the crowds.
Hmmm, you know a Ripley origin story could fit in very well into an Alien: Isolation film. We could see the departing moments of Ripley as she takes off for the Nostroma. That's natural, and it propels the story along of Amanda searching for her mother. Ripley's mother could be along to say goodbye to her mother as well. But I think if we have anything too adventurous or alieny happen to Ripley or her mother prior to Alien, then the whole thing will just be ridiculous. To me, Ripley's interesting adventures start when she heads off towards LV-426.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 10, 2016, 04:25:08 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 04:12:56 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 10, 2016, 03:47:39 AM
Yes, finally someone understands. The Alien series is defacto the Ripley series. Anyone who denies her iconic nature is delusional. Every attempt to make an Alien related film has always depended on some sort of imitation of Ripley's archetypal persona. We don't need to see Ripley's Mom, but we do need a retcon of Alien 3.
Everybody understands. Some like it more than others. I think we do not need to see Ripley's mom, nor do we need a retcon of Alien 3.
We didn't need 3 sequels and 3 spinoffs to Alien either but we got them. You know if they mess this whole thing up, it will just get rebooted in 20 years anyway.
I'm sure a Ripley origin story would bring in the crowds.
Hmmm, you know a Ripley origin story could fit in very well into an Alien: Isolation film. We could see the departing moments of Ripley as she takes off for the Nostroma. That's natural, and it propels the story along of Amanda searching for her mother. Ripley's mother could be along to say goodbye to her mother as well. But I think if we have anything too adventurous or alieny happen to Ripley or her mother prior to Alien, then the whole thing will just be ridiculous. To me, Ripley's interesting adventures start when she heads off towards LV-426.
Ripley is 30 years old in Alien, so there's plenty of room for backstory. And you can always use amnesia to explain why Ripley doesn't remember.
You could have teenage/20 something Ripley searching for her mother (Daniels), so she boards the Nostromo to do so. Very much like Alien: Isolation.
If the Han Solo movie makes a lot of money you can bet they will do this. Just cast a hot young star to play 'young Ripley'. Licence to print money.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 04:57:42 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 10, 2016, 04:25:08 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 04:18:17 AM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 04:12:56 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 10, 2016, 03:47:39 AM
Yes, finally someone understands. The Alien series is defacto the Ripley series. Anyone who denies her iconic nature is delusional. Every attempt to make an Alien related film has always depended on some sort of imitation of Ripley's archetypal persona. We don't need to see Ripley's Mom, but we do need a retcon of Alien 3.
Everybody understands. Some like it more than others. I think we do not need to see Ripley's mom, nor do we need a retcon of Alien 3.
We didn't need 3 sequels and 3 spinoffs to Alien either but we got them. You know if they mess this whole thing up, it will just get rebooted in 20 years anyway.
I'm sure a Ripley origin story would bring in the crowds.
Hmmm, you know a Ripley origin story could fit in very well into an Alien: Isolation film. We could see the departing moments of Ripley as she takes off for the Nostroma. That's natural, and it propels the story along of Amanda searching for her mother. Ripley's mother could be along to say goodbye to her mother as well. But I think if we have anything too adventurous or alieny happen to Ripley or her mother prior to Alien, then the whole thing will just be ridiculous. To me, Ripley's interesting adventures start when she heads off towards LV-426.
Ripley is 30 years old in Alien, so there's plenty of room for backstory. And you can always use amnesia to explain why Ripley doesn't remember.
You could have teenage/20 something Ripley searching for her mother (Daniels), so she boards the Nostromo to do so. Very much like Alien: Isolation.
If the Han Solo movie makes a lot of money you can bet they will do this. Just cast a hot young star to play 'young Ripley'. Licence to print money.
There's going to be a Han Solo movie? The problem is that it just wouldn't make any sense for Ripley to have problems prior to Alien. The likeliness of that much stuff happening in one life is astronomical.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 09, 2016, 07:47:44 PM
I really hope this ends up being incorrect. It would be such a lame and on-the-nose thing to do. Fox really need to let go of the Ripley character.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I like Isolation and they did a pretty damn good job. But I wouldn't want another game with Amanda. Leave the Ripley family alone please... Bring back Noomi, Shaw was a good character!
Yes, in times like these I really wish they'd have kept Shaw. Noomi was awesome.
Please be wrong. Stop with Ripley.
QuoteRipley fights them multiple times.
Ripley's mother fights them.
Ripley's daughter fights them.
Ripley's Synthetic fights them.
Ripley's clone fights them.
Ripley's bloody descendant fights them.
And she wants to come back in a new Alien. STOP with Ripley.
I hope Fox will contradict in the day.
Except the last movie with Ripley was almost 20 years ago. A whole generation of movie goers probably don't even know who Ripley is.
Correct me if I wrong, but... as far as I know... wasn't "Daniels" actually a surname? ::) Are people really this silly? ;D
Quote from: Kronnang_Dunn on Jun 10, 2016, 06:01:58 AM
Correct me if I wrong, but... as far as I know... wasn't "Daniels" actually a surname? ::) Are people really this silly? ;D
She may be using her maiden name or not married.
I really hope there is some kind of long term plan to this. If they throw her in there like "Hey...small world!" I just have no words for how stupid that is.
And if they do have a long term plan for how this affects the series, I hope it isn't some revision of the way we will watch Alien.
Christ, people, we had a Ripley origin story. It's called ALIEN.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 09, 2016, 11:01:58 PM
I see Ridley Scott still hasn't re-learned how to make good movies, huh? Alien: Isolation was a fluke, using Amanda Ripley as the protagonist worked because people could believe that she would introduce herself to the Alien in order to find out what happened to her mother.
Exactly why I thought Amanda in Isolation ended up working as well as she did. There's a reason she might find herself facing an Alien and that is simply because she's ending up in the same kind of locale as her mother. It worked.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 11:23:07 PM
Why all the hate? The Alien films have always been about Ripley's story.
That's the problem. Her story ended in Alien 3 but it can't be let go or moved on from.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2016, 02:40:39 AM
Really, really getting bored with every sci fi story turning galaxy-spanning events into a series of unfortunate events for one special family.
Everyone says Fox is looking for their new Star Wars... :-X
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 04:57:42 AM
Ripley is 30 years old in Alien, so there's plenty of room for backstory. And you can always use amnesia to explain why Ripley doesn't remember.
That would be just as bad as if Alien 3 and Resurrection end up being dreams. It just doesn't need to happen. There's a whole galaxy out there. There's more potential. They are creatively hamstringing themselves with this belief that Alien has to equal Ripley. Other things without Ripley aren't bad because there's no Ripley. They're just bad. Having a Ripley name isn't going to magically solve all their problems. Alien 3 and Resurrection, for example.
Quote from: Giger Beast on Jun 10, 2016, 05:23:49 AM
Yes, in times like these I really wish they'd have kept Shaw. Noomi was awesome.
I was never really fond of her. I found her character to be very irritating. I'm still waiting on that new character that really grips me.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Except the last movie with Ripley was almost 20 years ago. A whole generation of movie goers probably don't even know who Ripley is.
Ripley and Weaver are iconic.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2016, 07:01:04 AM
Christ, people, we had a Ripley origin story. It's called ALIEN.
Alien is a great Ripley origin story (even if wasn't intended as one).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 10, 2016, 07:08:30 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Except the last movie with Ripley was almost 20 years ago. A whole generation of movie goers probably don't even know who Ripley is.
Ripley and Weaver are iconic.
Yes, true, but in the same way Bela Lugosi's Dracula or Karloff's Monster are iconic. Doesn't mean that people have seen those movies that made them iconic.
Most sci fi fans will have seen them. Particularly Aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2016, 07:01:04 AM
Christ, people, we had a Ripley origin story. It's called ALIEN.
Seconding this.
I hope this rumor is wrong, because it's just a little too goofy for me.
Spoiler removed at the request of the studio.
So either it's legit or The Playlist is playing a game here.
Really, really stupid idea.
It worked with Isolation as there was a clear character motive which could draw Amanda towards LV426 / the Alien.
With this it would be like the mother and daughter both winning the lottery.
I can't see them making this work in a logical way.
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The connection is pointless, what does that add to Alien or it's plot? Ripley never found out anyway, it never had any impact of her story, so why make a connection here? This is getting f**king silly, if true, which i dearly hope is not the case.
I don't want them to turn Alien into Jaws the revenge with the whole family feud.
Hmm, this doesnt sit well with me. Its a pointless link/exercise. Now it'll be a case of why didnt her mum tell Ripley about everything (If she survives of course). Try something different Ridley.
How many years before Alien is Covenant meant to be set?
Covenant will take place 19 years before Alien. Ripley was born in 2092, the year before Prometheus.
Ah Okay, that works somehow.
Still just think its a pointless link to have
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 10, 2016, 10:31:22 AM
Covenant will take place 19 years before Alien. Ripley was born in 2092, the year before Prometheus.
Somewhere I read Covenant will take place 10 years after Prometheus. That would make Ellen Ripley 11 years old in Covenant.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jun 10, 2016, 10:59:14 AM
Ah Okay, that works somehow.
Still just think its a pointless link to have
Quote from: OWLF on Jun 10, 2016, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 10, 2016, 10:31:22 AM
Covenant will take place 19 years before Alien. Ripley was born in 2092, the year before Prometheus.
Somewhere I read Covenant will take place 10 years after Prometheus. That would make Ellen Ripley 11 years old in Covenant.
Yep. Ripley will be around, as a kid. Just not necessary at all.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 10, 2016, 11:36:32 AM
Yep. Ripley will be around, as a kid. Just not necessary at all.
Does that mean we´ll get to see a teenage Ripley? Also I can´t see her Mom (Daniels, if that ends up to be the case), not telling her daughter about her encounters with Xenos and the Engineers´s Homeworld. Surely Ripley would know about all this in ALIEN.
The Covenant ship departs from Earth Common sense she leaves Ripley behind with Jones who is prob a kitty.That's prob what happens.
Ridley knows what he's doing he created this franchise give it a chance, and take some Adderall. :D
QuoteRidley knows what he's doing he created this franchise...
... and then came Prometheus ::)
Oh damn, that's right, Ripley would already be alive when ACovenant takes place. Damn no engineer Ripley. hmm lol maybe Rips MOM is the space jockey. :laugh:
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Jun 10, 2016, 12:21:51 PM
QuoteRidley knows what he's doing he created this franchise...
... and then came Prometheus ::)
That's just plain mean. :-X
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 01:57:56 AM
OTOH, isn't there a Dark Horse comic where Ripley is fated through her great-grandfather on earth or something and the aliens have some sort of genetic memory of the Ripley clan? It's a stupid difficult idea to swallow (because how would the alien species magically know the Nostromo would somehow encounter the derelict or have any contact at all), but it does set a precedent of sorts.
It was some kind of in-joke-style cameo of the surname, right at the end. Could have
kind of worked, but the story it was a part of was a bit awful/underwhelming.
I'm fairly sure '
Isolation' was what compelled Fox to demand '
Out Of the Shadows' include Ripley (could be wrong on that, but it seems likely, given the retconned nature of her constantly having nightmares about Amanda, compared to us seeing she was mostly having nightmares about herself in '
Aliens'). Then the sequel to that had the Aliens decide to hold some kind of psychotic burning hatred for her very genes and decide some distant descendent MUST BE DESTROYED... Even though, y'know, Burke pointed out Amanda never had any children.
And so, precedent was set.
Either that or Ridley Scott's somehow repeated his weird 'concidence magic', again... He's never watched the first of the AVP films, yet we know there were a lot of coincidences between that and '
Prometheus'. Maybe he's spontaneously come up with the Ripley connection, not realise it's effectively repeating what has recently now become a tired formula.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 10, 2016, 12:41:59 PM
Then the sequel to that had the Aliens decide to hold some kind of psychotic burning hatred for her very genes and decide some distant descendent MUST BE DESTROYED... Even though, y'know, Burke pointed out Amanda never had any children.
It's not said that Decker is a direct descendant, I don't believe. Could be a distantly related nephew or some such.
QuoteEither that or Ridley Scott's somehow repeated his weird 'concidence magic', again... He's never watched the first of the AVP films, yet we know there were a lot of coincidences between that and 'Prometheus'. Maybe he's spontaneously come up with the Ripley connection, not realise it's effectively repeating what has recently now become a tired formula.
I think those coincidences are probably more from that both look at the earlier Alien scripts.
Damn well, i guess the Ripley clan are fated to duke it out with the xeno's forever just like the Belmont's and Dracula of Castlevania. You got Daniel Ripley from Aliens Earth Angel, Amanda and Ellen ofcourse, and Alan Decker from Sea of Sorrows. Wonder who Mr Ripley is and if he's in Covenant?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 10, 2016, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 01:57:56 AM
Either that or Ridley Scott's somehow repeated his weird 'concidence magic', again... He's never watched the first of the AVP films, yet we know there were a lot of coincidences between that and 'Prometheus'. Maybe he's spontaneously come up with the Ripley connection, not realise it's effectively repeating what has recently now become a tired formula.
Sometimes coincidences are just that, coincidences. The idea of alien creatures coming down to Earth and granting men technology has been around since Prometheus stole fire from the Gods, at least.
As for the idea of Ripley or her descendants being in all the stories, I wish she/they weren't, but this hasn't been confirmed for the latest film, has it? Katherine Waterson looks a little young to be Ellen's mom, unless she had her when she was very young. If Ripley was born 1 year before Prometheus (so I've been told; correct me if I'm wrong) then she'd be 11, if the movie takes place ten years after Prometheus, as OWLF said. If Waterson had Ripley anywhere between 16-25, perhaps; she'd be 27-36 in the film. Anything more than that, and I think she looks too young for the part.
This also requires Covenant to take place directly after Prometheus--within the next 10-20 years. Otherwise, Waterson looks too young for what would be an older RIpley's mom.
Some very prophetic comments in an old thread from last year, back when Waterston first landed the role of Daniels:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 18, 2015, 07:31:17 AM
In some of her photos she looks kind of like of Sigourney don't you think...
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Dec 18, 2015, 02:56:49 PM
Don't know if that's the intent but she could pass for Sigourney with a different hairstyle.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53702.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53702.0)
Corporal, your main-page article states:
QuoteRidley Scott spoke about Alien: Covenant having a connection to Ripley back in September 2015, leading many to speculate that the connection could be a character who is a relative of Ripley: "It's more associated with Ripley, it's a completely different angle, it's more of a sequel. I'm coming in from the back end."
That was with reference to Blomkamp's upcoming film. It should say:
Quote from: Ridley Scott"Is Prometheus actually taking us off course from where I'm going, which is actually backing into the first Alien... I've even got connections with Ripley [in Alien: Covenant], but I'm not telling you what."
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2016, 07:01:04 AM
Christ, people, we had a Ripley origin story. It's called ALIEN.
I completely agree!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 10, 2016, 07:08:30 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 09, 2016, 11:01:58 PM
I see Ridley Scott still hasn't re-learned how to make good movies, huh? Alien: Isolation was a fluke, using Amanda Ripley as the protagonist worked because people could believe that she would introduce herself to the Alien in order to find out what happened to her mother.
Exactly why I thought Amanda in Isolation ended up working as well as she did. There's a reason she might find herself facing an Alien and that is simply because she's ending up in the same kind of locale as her mother. It worked.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 09, 2016, 11:23:07 PM
Why all the hate? The Alien films have always been about Ripley's story.
That's the problem. Her story ended in Alien 3 but it can't be let go or moved on from.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 10, 2016, 02:40:39 AM
Really, really getting bored with every sci fi story turning galaxy-spanning events into a series of unfortunate events for one special family.
Everyone says Fox is looking for their new Star Wars... :-X
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 04:57:42 AM
Ripley is 30 years old in Alien, so there's plenty of room for backstory. And you can always use amnesia to explain why Ripley doesn't remember.
That would be just as bad as if Alien 3 and Resurrection end up being dreams. It just doesn't need to happen. There's a whole galaxy out there. There's more potential. They are creatively hamstringing themselves with this belief that Alien has to equal Ripley. Other things without Ripley aren't bad because there's no Ripley. They're just bad. Having a Ripley name isn't going to magically solve all their problems. Alien 3 and Resurrection, for example.
Quote from: Giger Beast on Jun 10, 2016, 05:23:49 AM
Yes, in times like these I really wish they'd have kept Shaw. Noomi was awesome.
I was never really fond of her. I found her character to be very irritating. I'm still waiting on that new character that really grips me.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Except the last movie with Ripley was almost 20 years ago. A whole generation of movie goers probably don't even know who Ripley is.
Ripley and Weaver are iconic.
Hicks, I think YOU definitely think that good Alien films can be made without Ripley because you're a hardcore fan of the Alien universe as am I and many people on here. But for a vast amount of casual fans and the general public, it is defacto Ripley's story. Using the Alin 3 and AR analogy doesn't work. Those were films that A. killed the heroine, and B. tried to resurrect her. No kidding they are not liked by the vast majority of the public. They chose the stupid route. What people really wanted was for Ripley and co. to find the homeworld. A Gigeresque homeworld. There's your recipe for a good film right there.
Now on the subject of Ripley's mom being in the film... Urrr! Stupid, stupid, stupid! Facepalm! facepalm, facepalm!! Dear Lord Jesus, this can't be happening Man, this can't be happening!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 10, 2016, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: XenoHunter99 on Jun 10, 2016, 01:57:56 AM
OTOH, isn't there a Dark Horse comic where Ripley is fated through her great-grandfather on earth or something and the aliens have some sort of genetic memory of the Ripley clan? It's a stupid difficult idea to swallow (because how would the alien species magically know the Nostromo would somehow encounter the derelict or have any contact at all), but it does set a precedent of sorts.
It was some kind of in-joke-style cameo of the surname, right at the end. Could have kind of worked, but the story it was a part of was a bit awful/underwhelming.
Thanks for that! :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 10, 2016, 12:41:59 PM
I'm fairly sure 'Isolation' was what compelled Fox to demand 'Out Of the Shadows' include Ripley (could be wrong on that, but it seems likely, given the retconned nature of her constantly having nightmares about Amanda, compared to us seeing she was mostly having nightmares about herself in 'Aliens'). Then the sequel to that had the Aliens decide to hold some kind of psychotic burning hatred for her very genes and decide some distant descendent MUST BE DESTROYED... Even though, y'know, Burke pointed out Amanda never had any children.
And so, precedent was set.
That makes sense. Burke could have lied. A guy like that, he probably lies every time his mouth moves. ;D
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 10, 2016, 12:41:59 PM
Either that or Ridley Scott's somehow repeated his weird 'concidence magic', again... He's never watched the first of the AVP films, yet we know there were a lot of coincidences between that and 'Prometheus'. Maybe he's spontaneously come up with the Ripley connection, not realise it's effectively repeating what has recently now become a tired formula.
I find it hard to believe that he really never watched AVP or that no one mentioned the similarities.It's possible, but it seems a stretch. More likely, he liked the ideas and used them. And tired as it is, I think we're going to get more Ripley-weaving. Soap opera is eternal, and movie studios love their franchises.
I wonder if the Ridley Scott fans still think he has the right to do whatever he wants with the franchise simply because he was the director of Alien. To me (and perhaps everyone who disliked Prometheus), RS makes movies solely for money now rather than to tell a good story. We need to throw him out of the franchise (and as long as we're at it, we should throw Disney out of Star Wars as well).
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Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 04:18:17 AM
We didn't need 3 sequels and 3 spinoffs to Alien either but we got them. You know if they mess this whole thing up, it will just get rebooted in 20 years anyway.
I'm sure a Ripley origin story would bring in the crowds.
I'm among those who wanted Alien sequels. I love the way the original set up the Alien universe. It could have been glorious. Instead, it's been more 'meh.' I wanted sequels that told compelling stories about humanity's unpleasant interactions with the Terror of the Space Lanes. I wanted the space jockeys to be enigmatic, cool, and utterly alien themselves. I even really liked the way Dark Horse set up AVP from the first time they talked about it in Dark Horse Presents. But that's not really the way it went. And despite the hundreds of millions of dollars that Fox will throw at it, I don't see the situation becoming much better. Each new chapter in the Alien universe exhibits at least the potential for greatness. And somehow, the effort falls short. Only the original movie remains truly great.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 10, 2016, 04:49:13 PM
I wonder if the Ridley Scott fans still think he has the right to do whatever he wants with the franchise simply because he was the director of Alien. To me (and perhaps everyone who disliked Prometheus), RS makes movies solely for money now rather than to tell a good story. We need to throw him out of the franchise (and as long as we're at it, we should throw Disney out of Star Wars as well).
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So true.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 10, 2016, 04:49:13 PM
I wonder if the Ridley Scott fans still think he has the right to do whatever he wants with the franchise simply because he was the director of Alien. To me (and perhaps everyone who disliked Prometheus), RS makes movies solely for money now rather than to tell a good story.
I'm sure he does and you're probably right.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 10, 2016, 04:49:13 PM
We need to throw him out of the franchise (and as long as we're at it, we should throw Disney out of Star Wars as well).
Yes, I agree!
Hmmmm, if the spoiler was removed at the request of the studio then that certainly lends credence to the spoiler, or maybe FOX didn't want a false rumor about the connections with Ripley? Waterston's surname is Daniels in the film, and lil' Ripley will be 11, so Daniels obviously remarried if this is to be true. If Daniels "disappeared" in space, maybe that is what prompts Ripley to become a flight officer in the first place? Maybe she tried looking for her...man I'll laugh if Daniels' first name is Jonesy haha! This would all obviously parallel Isolation's plot but Isolation's success could very well have inspired this, heck it could act as a thematic through-line with the maternal themes of Aliens; daughter lost mother/mother lost daughter, mother gains new daughter (new daughter dies in A3, mother makes ultimate sacrifice/in Blomkamp's film mother and new daughter live on fighting...) Who knows, if true and they make it work, fine, I honestly don't care what they do so much character-wise so long as they're spacetrucker-like, I care mostly about whether Giger's aesthetic will return and whether Scott brings the terror, if I get both of those things Scott can shoehorn whatever he wants quite frankly! But that's just me, this is all yet to be confirmed after all.
As much as I liked some of the elements in Spaihts drafts of Prometheus... I believe him and Ridley Scott are wrong about one thing that they both keep mentioning -
That the story has to be intrinsically tied to OUR story. The human story. Ripley's story.
Yes. It will be good to have a better ending to Ripley's story, but it's not good to tie the Aliens to the human race in any big way. Prometheus moved in that direction. The Aliens themselves are better left a mystery and tie-ing them into the human race was ONE GIANT CHIP in the veneer, and now tie-ing them to Ripley in a bigger way, is the next big chip in the veneer. Eventually it cracks.
So they're really doing the whole... Ripley family legacy thing? Mmmm.. Know what? I... just don't care. Yeah it's annoying but at this point I... just don't really care anymore.
And what was the spoiler the studio requested be taken down? The Ripley's Mom rumor or.. what?
Assuming it's the case that Daniels is on the Covenant for a job as security and left lil' Ripley behind, perhaps Daniels orders her a certain kitten for her birthday, and Ripley never hears from her mother ever again, hence why Ripley is so attached to Jonesy; the last thing she remembers of her mother, and because Ripley has mother issues maybe that's why she projects at M.O.T.H.E.R.; calling her a bitch, yes, it's all coming together. ;D
How about no? Alien Isolation already has Amanda encountering the Alien, having Ripley's mother encounter it too is bordering on some mystical familial destiny shit
This sounds like a studio bullet point. I like the character of Ripley, but it is beyond silly that some think that character is the "secret sauce" of Alien. The artwork/design of Giger being realized on film by Scott is why Alien is still relevant 30+ years later. Nothing has equaled or surpassed that view of a completely believable yet foreign alien culture. There had never been a monster so elegant and beautiful, yet terrifying. Birth-sex-death personified as the ultimate penis-headed killing/raping machine.
I think the art/design of the alien + jockey was the true stand-out, but it also helped that the script, actors, and human tech were outstanding as well. Things like actors being believable for the type of work they performed (rugged/middle-aged, etc), rather than 20-35 year old Gap models that we see in most films elevated the art as a whole. I acknowledge the other exceptional factors of the film, but it is Giger's art that places it in a league above almost all others.
What makes Alien relevant and different to all the other sci-fi films is Giger...not whether Ripley or her fathers, brothers, nephews, cousin's former room mate is on board the Covenant. I do not buy the Art of Ripley books. I would not automatically play a game or read a comic about the adventures of Ripley fighting space pirates or any other generic villains. My biggest wish since seeing Alien was to see more of this tech in motion and for what purposes did it exist. I hope Scott explores some of this with the new film while keeping Giger's biomechanics front and center.
Well, hope Covenant turns out as good as this...
David 8 in prometheus its just one of the numerous "clone" robots weyland have (you can see that on the BR extras).
So perhaps Fassbender its playing another David8 different from the Prometheus one. That will make sense with Shaw dont playing any role in Covenant. Fassbender its just the android of the Covenant.
If Scott explain it well i have no problem with Daniels being Ripleys mother...a 11yo child its waiting for her mother (a who works on space) to come back...but she died. It make sense for her getting involved with the same company working in space like her mother.
Why she was in the nostromo, ...well, give the film a chance, perhaps its a good link after all.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 09, 2016, 11:01:58 PM
I see Ridley Scott still hasn't re-learned how to make good movies, huh? Alien: Isolation was a fluke, using Amanda Ripley as the protagonist worked because people could believe that she would introduce herself to the Alien in order to find out what happened to her mother. Ridley Scott should just stop making Alien movies altogether, I think the only people here who would like this twist are the fans of Prometheus.
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I thought it was because
Isolation was...well, a video game and largely nobody places much stake in whether or not it's strictly canon. You could've put any generic protagonist in Alien: Isolation and it would've worked just as well. There's the bit about her finding the log from the Nostromo, but how does she develop as a character from listening to her mother? Not much at all, except for advancing the plot and providing fan-service.
EDIT: Not sure it advances the plot much either...or the story really. Maybe the background, but it's not like you don't know the plot of
Alien already. I mean, come on. :b
I recall that many Prometheus fans argued that since Ridley Scott was the director of the first film, all his ideas were automatically great ones no matter what. I'm actually rather curious to know whether they still think that in light of this new plot development or whether they changed their minds.
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LoL
If its true that its about Ripley's mother,
i seriously not even gonna watch it, then this will be the last shit i post about that movie franchise.
Can people really be that dumb? so many ways you can go with this beautiful franchise,
and they wanna go the Ripley way......? lets just wait and see, and i suggest a boycot in full retard mode.
& the fall of a franchise with its fans begins.. Next thing you know RS will be hitting up Twitter to post that Alien fans are assholes (like Fiege did about Ghostbuster fans). I don't want to see the franchise go down in the slightest but I see where its going. It's been happening for a while.
Quote from: XenoZipper on Jun 10, 2016, 08:45:26 PM
& the fall of a franchise with its fans begins.. Next thing you know RS will be hitting up Twitter to post that Alien fans are assholes (like Fiege did about Ghostbuster fans). I don't want to see the franchise go down in the slightest but I see where its going. It's been happening for a while.
Has it ever really been that great since the first 2 films? I think I deluded myself for nearly 15 years that all the films were special..and aside from some cool spaceship designs, they're mostly repeats of the same story with a pretty obvious critical slide.
I don't really know why everybody's getting so bent out of shape over it. If Ridley did this just for connection sake, then yeah, it'd be pointless but I think this will be pretty pivotal to the plot for this film and the potential sequels he does. I wonder if we will actually see Ripley as a young girl. Is there anything in the expanded universe about her mother?
You could say the same thing about Isolation. At first I didn't like the idea of using Amanda there but it worked really really and she was central to the plot while still keeping continuity in place.
And bit of a strange one for a studio to request removal of what they reported as just rumour and speculation.
Quote from: Seegson on Jun 10, 2016, 07:00:57 PM
perhaps Fassbender its playing another David8 different from the Prometheus one. That will make sense with Shaw dont playing any role in Covenant. Fassbender its just the android of the Covenant.
Quote from: Official SynopsesBound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.
Quote from: Darkness on Jun 10, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
I don't really know why everybody's getting so bent out of shape over it.
Well at least poor ol' Blomkamp is getting a bit of a break from all the vitriol with Sir Scott taking on the role of the main villain again. :laugh:
Hi chaps...long time lurker, first time poster.
The thought of having a "Ripley" in this film simply reeks of cheese. Theres no foreseeable reason why she needs to be in it other than to use as a very flimsy "hook" on the fishing line for fans...but no...just no.
I've neither got high hopes or low hopes for this film based solely on how Prometheus left a bad taste in my mouth...I've just got...optimism. Though this news (if true) is sending the see-saw of optimism into the negative side for me.
Ps....i know its gonna sound cheesy but man i love this site, simply had to join in with the chit-chat for my fav films!!
Pss....(Whispers quietly...)...Aliens rules!!
Quote from: EEV Repairman on Jun 10, 2016, 09:35:19 PM
Hi chaps...long time lurker, first time poster.
The thought of having a "Ripley" in this film simply reeks of cheese. Theres no foreseeable reason why she needs to be in it other than to use as a very flimsy "hook" on the fishing line for fans...but no...just no.
I've neither got high hopes or low hopes for this film based solely on how Prometheus left a bad taste in my mouth...I've just got...optimism. Though this news (if true) is sending the see-saw of optimism into the negative side for me.
Ps....i know its gonna sound cheesy but man i love this site, simply had to join in with the chit-chat for my fav films!!
Pss....(Whispers quietly...)...Aliens rules!!
Agree with everything you said! :)
Quote from: Darkness on Jun 10, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
I don't really know why everybody's getting so bent out of shape over it.
There is nothing to get bent out of shape about. It's a movie but somehow people demand causality doesn't exist in a fictional universe written by professional writers.
Haha thanks man. I just fail to see how having one of the Ripleys will benefit a story which could do very well without a Ripley. If not better because of the need to....how should I put this...live up to the heroic expectations of movies/characters gone by.
I could be proven wrong when the movie comes out and on that day i'll gladly say "yep I was too presumptuous and i'll go stand in the corner for abit", but i'll also be a happy fan.
But currently...my brain is going noooOooOooOOoooo....no need.
Quote from: EEV Repairman on Jun 10, 2016, 09:35:19 PM
Hi chaps...long time lurker, first time poster.
The thought of having a "Ripley" in this film simply reeks of cheese. Theres no foreseeable reason why she needs to be in it other than to use as a very flimsy "hook" on the fishing line for fans...but no...just no.
I've neither got high hopes or low hopes for this film based solely on how Prometheus left a bad taste in my mouth...I've just got...optimism. Though this news (if true) is sending the see-saw of optimism into the negative side for me.
Ps....i know its gonna sound cheesy but man i love this site, simply had to join in with the chit-chat for my fav films!!
Pss....(Whispers quietly...)...Aliens rules!!
Welcome to the site. :)
Since you're here... could you please fix my broken EEV? :laugh:
Cheers buddy, happy to be here.
Im out on call at the minute...another bloody acid-burn again. I don't know what these marines were drinking out here but man this stuff is going through metal. Oh look...a funny little dead crab thingy...wait, thats not dead!!
"huuurk...."
Thud.
Quote from: Darkness on Jun 10, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
I don't really know why everybody's getting so bent out of shape over it. If Ridley did this just for connection sake, then yeah, it'd be pointless but I think this will be pretty pivotal to the plot for this film and the potential sequels he does. I wonder if we will actually see Ripley as a young girl. Is there anything in the expanded universe about her mother?
You could say the same thing about Isolation. At first I didn't like the idea of using Amanda there but it worked really really and she was central to the plot while still keeping continuity in place.
And bit of a strange one for a studio to request removal of what they reported as just rumour and speculation.
This is essentially like The Terminator franchise all over again; the Connors were great but we most certainly didn't need them to be centered around every movie. Now that franchise has become as stale and lifeless as the apocalypse it eschews.
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In Alien Isolation it worked really well because it felt like a piece of the plot that worked and served to expand the universe and the canon. It wasn't too far fetched because it was entirely acceptable that her daughter would go searching and in that respect, encounter/be included in this nightmarish timeline of events.
In Covenent however, I fail to see how, by adding Her mother, it adds any structural significance to the plot. For a Ripley to be intertwined in this story it just seems too tacked on for the sake of the moniker. It just doesnt make sense at the moment. Saying that, it is early days yet and i guess if they do go down this route then all will become clear...will there be a convincing reason for her inclusion though? That is the biggy.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 10, 2016, 11:09:51 PM
Quote from: Darkness on Jun 10, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
I don't really know why everybody's getting so bent out of shape over it. If Ridley did this just for connection sake, then yeah, it'd be pointless but I think this will be pretty pivotal to the plot for this film and the potential sequels he does. I wonder if we will actually see Ripley as a young girl. Is there anything in the expanded universe about her mother?
You could say the same thing about Isolation. At first I didn't like the idea of using Amanda there but it worked really really and she was central to the plot while still keeping continuity in place.
And bit of a strange one for a studio to request removal of what they reported as just rumour and speculation.
This is essentially like The Terminator franchise all over again; the Connors were great but we most certainly didn't need them to be centered around every movie. Now that franchise has become as stale and lifeless as the apocalypse it eschews.
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I get the terminator premise but Ripley probably won't be in this, no wait, let's face it. Ridley's movie is Alien. Why wouldn't he want to connect these Prequels to Alien via Ripley? Oh... you're afraid that Ripley maybe be the chosen one. It's still not that big of a deal; no where as big of a deal as starting over after Aliens is.
Put another way, sans Prometheus, I'm leaving that as more of a prologue; this prequel trilogy is going to lead straight into Alien. Think about how cool it would be if we had the entire Nostromo crew from Alien on board the Covenant? Now that would be asinine but Ripley's mum? Very likely helpful for marketing purposes and I wouldn't put it past Ridley trying to build some sort of character development in these movies to help solidify his B-Movie in the annals of film lore by given her a deeper back story. Could it back fire, sure but having rips mom in Covenant isn't the big deal every one is making it out to be.
Quote from: Darkness on Jun 10, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
I don't really know why everybody's getting so bent out of shape over it. If Ridley did this just for connection sake, then yeah, it'd be pointless but I think this will be pretty pivotal to the plot for this film and the potential sequels he does. I wonder if we will actually see Ripley as a young girl. Is there anything in the expanded universe about her mother?
You could say the same thing about Isolation. At first I didn't like the idea of using Amanda there but it worked really really and she was central to the plot while still keeping continuity in place.
And bit of a strange one for a studio to request removal of what they reported as just rumour and speculation.
I agree people need to wait and see how this pans out, she could either already have Ripley , and leave her on Earth while she goes on mission with Kitty Jonesy (Hence why Ripley has no knowledge of the alien).
We need to wait to see how this pans out. We have waited over 4 years for a sequel don't rush to judge. 8)
I guess we're all just over-protective of this franchise because we know the damage hollywood has done to beloved franchises of late and for it to happen to this one...that would be tantamount to media treason.
Theres very little room for error when youre dabbling in areas of movie canon, so many IP's have been scarred by lazy, poor or money grabbing tactics in screenwriting. So when something like this pops up it gets folk on edge, and rightly so. Ill bet not once has anyone thought out a little bit of prequel fan fiction in their head and thought...hmmm...ripleys mum should be in this.
I know Prometheus could have been better and i think Ridley knows that, and now he is going to do what he wanted to do ever since the first Alien came out i don't think he will disappoint. 8)
Give him a chance.
Based on Ridley's actions, it seems to me that he doesn't know what he's doing; he contradicts himself continuously and I get the feeling he's being guided by fan demand rather than a desire to tell a good story.
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This time i think will be different.
How optimistic. :-\
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He passed up directing duties to do this new trilogy even Blade Runner 2.
If Ridley fails again i say reboot this prequel nonsense and let Guillermo Del Toro direct. Guillermo's all about Lovecraft and squidy monsters anyway. Imagine what he could do if he dusted off the Alien Engineers script and gave us that!
Honestly if it's executed well and has enough emotional gravitas and justification, then fine, we don't know enough at this point plot-wise to dismiss it with derision, not denying that it's unnecessary, if true, but as it stands it's not the worst thing imaginable.
The ripley bloodline being some destinied force to battle the alien is stupid. Do we really need this? Really?
Everything does not need to tie back into ripley and alien.
Ripley fam vs Xeno fam
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 11, 2016, 01:33:39 AM
If Ridley fails again i say reboot this prequel nonsense and let Guillermo Del Toro direct. Guillermo's all about Lovecraft and squidy monsters anyway. Imagine what he could do if he dusted off the Alien Engineers script and gave us that!
He also responsible for the horrendously superficial '
Pacific Rim', so, uh... No. :)
Quote from: EEV Repairman on Jun 10, 2016, 11:36:17 PM
I guess we're all just over-protective of this franchise because we know the damage hollywood has done to beloved franchises of late and for it to happen to this one...that would be tantamount to media treason.
Theres very little room for error when youre dabbling in areas of movie canon, so many IP's have been scarred by lazy, poor or money grabbing tactics in screenwriting. So when something like this pops up it gets folk on edge, and rightly so. Ill bet not once has anyone thought out a little bit of prequel fan fiction in their head and thought...hmmm...ripleys mum should be in this.
Media treason? Hmm, it can't be any more treasonous than Resurrection. I don't recall anyone being strung up or otherwise imprisoned/executed for
that crime.
I hate the word canon, when it has corporate leanings, which it goes when concerning movie licenses, otherwise known as corporate property. I don't care what Dallas said, I'm not a huge fan of "standard procedure."
All this being said, I don't understand why Ripley's mom has to be in this. It could be anyone aboard the Covenant. Doing it simply to say "Hey, look, it's the mother of the hero to the first movie!" feels--well, someone else compared it to the Belmonts versus Dracula, but part of the appeal of Alien is that you were a nobody in space, just a wheel in the corporate machine. Family or things back home simply weren't part of the equation. It added to the bleakness of the situation.
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Quote from: LordCassusSnow on Jun 11, 2016, 01:33:39 AM
If Ridley fails again i say reboot this prequel nonsense and let Guillermo Del Toro direct. Guillermo's all about Lovecraft and squidy monsters anyway. Imagine what he could do if he dusted off the Alien Engineers script and gave us that!
He also responsible for the horrendously superficial 'Pacific Rim', so, uh... No. :)
That was a kaiju movie. A certain amunt of silliness is par for the course. It was fine 'til the end, really. Happy Hollywood ending. It would have had more weight with more sacrifice. But Pan's Labyrinth says, when he puts his mind to it, he can do some serious weirdness and brutality. I think he could do a pretty good job with an Alien movie. I'd be interested to see it, anyway.
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jun 11, 2016, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: EEV Repairman on Jun 10, 2016, 11:36:17 PM
I guess we're all just over-protective of this franchise because we know the damage hollywood has done to beloved franchises of late and for it to happen to this one...that would be tantamount to media treason.
Theres very little room for error when youre dabbling in areas of movie canon, so many IP's have been scarred by lazy, poor or money grabbing tactics in screenwriting. So when something like this pops up it gets folk on edge, and rightly so. Ill bet not once has anyone thought out a little bit of prequel fan fiction in their head and thought...hmmm...ripleys mum should be in this.
Media treason? Hmm, it can't be any more treasonous than Resurrection. I don't recall anyone being strung up or otherwise imprisoned/executed for that crime.
I hate the word canon, when it has corporate leanings, which it goes when concerning movie licenses, otherwise known as corporate property. I don't care what Dallas said, I'm not a huge fan of "standard procedure."
All this being said, I don't understand why Ripley's mom has to be in this. It could be anyone aboard the Covenant. Doing it simply to say "Hey, look, it's the mother of the hero to the first movie!" feels--well, someone else compared it to the Belmonts versus Dracula, but part of the appeal of Alien is that you were a nobody in space, just a wheel in the corporate machine. Family or things back home simply weren't part of the equation. It added to the bleakness of the situation.
^^this. Its this type of stuff that made Alien's tone so memorable. It was just this monster that could be ancient and, we are unimportant. Drawing too many line between things sinks that ship.
Eh, once the shit hits the fan; the carnage and Giger penis violations particularly, all this will be incidental, especially if the film is actually good overall, but seriously, once the ol' beast rears his head ya'll loose your collective shit.
Can't say I'm happy about this news but I wasn't happy about Isolation linking to Ripley. If they are doing this they must justify the decision they've made and not just drop the name in as a link.
I can totally see this being a request from Fox. Slow facepalm. With furrowed brows, closed eyes and slowly shaking my head.
So what are the odds of this actually being true? I know it was requested to be taken down, but maybe Fox just wants to avoid confusion with a false rumor? I hate this idea as much as anyone, but is there any chance we're literally getting upset over something that's not even true?
It's very possible it could just be over reacting at the moment but the thought of the idea is just horrible & we're mostly hoping it's not true. I remember when the 1st of the new Ninja Turtles came out & Michael Bay said something about them being aliens from space the Turtle community exploded with rage. Of course turned out to not be the case. I'm overly protective of this franchise & just don't want to see it go down this path but if it happens well, what can we do about? Not like any of us will be making the movie we're looking for anytime soon.
Even us guys who want to retcon Alien 3 and 4 to allow for a different telling of an Aliens sequel don't want Ripley's mom included. This idea is just ridiculous.
Another reason why the "prometheus canon" is crap and I will continue to disregard it in my own head-canon. This is just too "universe-shrinking" and coincidental. As it stands, I still only consider Alien, Aliens and (as of now) Alien 3 to be canon to me. No Resurrection, No AVP, No Prometheus, etc.
Still hopeful/excited for Blomkamp's Alien V.....
Quote from: Giger Beast on Jun 11, 2016, 05:30:33 PM
So what are the odds of this actually being true? I know it was requested to be taken down, but maybe Fox just wants to avoid confusion with a false rumor? I hate this idea as much as anyone, but is there any chance we're literally getting upset over something that's not even true?
You've got a point there... it was the website who used the word "spoiler", not Fox.
So, there is still hope that it's not true.
Thanks for reminding me of that abomination....(shudder)...i hated that film from the first line of dialogue, they even got that wrong.
I'm not jumping on the hate bandwagon until I see how it plays out, if it's even true.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 11, 2016, 10:59:28 PM
I'm not jumping on the hate bandwagon until I see how it plays out, if it's even true.
Yeah, might as well. But my alarm bells are ringing.
Could FOX just want to avoid confusion over a false rumor? That's still possible is it not?
The only thing that could potentially be good about this idea, is that it may be an element of a cross-sequel direction for the franchise. To me, at the stage the series is at, they really need to have some long term idea for where this is going. Maybe theyve finally noticed?
There was a reason for Amanda to seek out her mother in Isolation. It made sense. Having Ripley's mother shoehorned in before ALIEN sounds like a disaster as far as plot goes. If they really try to link Ripley to the xenos before the Nostromo incident then its gonna be really bad/corny/far fetched and just damage the original.
Quote from: FreeFacehugz on Jun 12, 2016, 05:25:20 AM
There was a reason for Amanda to seek out her mother in Isolation. It made sense. Having Ripley's mother shoehorned in before ALIEN sounds like a disaster as far as plot goes. If they really try to link Ripley to the xenos before the Nostromo incident then its gonna be really bad/corny/far fetched and just damage the original.
It will only damage the original if Ridley Scott pulls a George Lucas and changes the original cut of Alien to fit in with the prequels. Otherwise, you can always just ignore it and watch the original Alien.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 12, 2016, 05:47:36 AM
It will only damage the original if Ridley Scott pulls a George Lucas and changes the original cut of Alien to fit in with the prequels. Otherwise, you can always just ignore it and watch the original Alien.
I don't see that happening. More likely, the studio will come along some time after Scott is gone and remake the original to move faster and look more contemporary. And it will suck.
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Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 11, 2016, 10:59:28 PM
I'm not jumping on the hate bandwagon until I see how it plays out, if it's even true.
Yeah, might as well. But my alarm bells are ringing.
For good reason!
Quote from: Giger Beast on Jun 11, 2016, 05:30:33 PM
So what are the odds of this actually being true? I know it was requested to be taken down, but maybe Fox just wants to avoid confusion with a false rumor? I hate this idea as much as anyone, but is there any chance we're literally getting upset over something that's not even true?
50/50 chance. It would not surprise me either way. Ridley claimed there would be a Ripley connection. No one knows what that really means. We're lost in the land of fan theory and speculation. The rumor retraction adds intrigue.
I kind of hope it's true. It would be a missed opportunity to not have Ripley in it somehow. Given that it is a prequel to Alien and it is set in the right time frame for that to happen.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Except the last movie with Ripley was almost 20 years ago. A whole generation of movie goers probably don't even know who Ripley is.
Sigourney Weaver still shows up in roles that are referencing the ALIEN series in some way. She's the big bad in "PAUL" with Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, Seth Rogen and they take lines from ALIENS. She is the ship's voice in "WALL-E".
I'm sure there are other examples.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 10, 2016, 07:56:55 PM
I recall that many Prometheus fans argued that since Ridley Scott was the director of the first film, all his ideas were automatically great ones no matter what. I'm actually rather curious to know whether they still think that in light of this new plot development or whether they changed their minds.
The thing is... I think most people can agree that what Prometheus brought to the table was interesting and good but it was the execution of those good interesting ideas that fell short. Prometheus did attempt to expand the universe. The script and plot was damaged. But the ideas it brought to the universe were good. Some may say great.
Also... people talking about Jones showing up... Is that a joke because of how cheesey and corny it is to have a Ripley in the movie to begin with? Cause... Cats are extremely lucky to live past 15. 11 year old Ripley isn't gonna have a kitty Jonesy.
Could quality come out of Ripley's mom being in Covenant? Yes. I can see it going a number of ways in which it could still be good.
1. A Ripley family member makes a cameo appearance.
2. If there is a Ripley in the movie, they die. They sort of have to unless they conveniently get into stasis and don't get out until after the events of ALIENS. Which would be what? Almost 100 years.
I'd rather see a familial connection to another main character if they have to at all. Maybe Dallas' uncle or dad. Hicks' granddad or grandma. If they wanted to have it not be a coincidence. Maybe someone related to Gorman (assuming he's from a military family) or someone related to Burke (assuming his family has always had ties to WY)
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jun 12, 2016, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Except the last movie with Ripley was almost 20 years ago. A whole generation of movie goers probably don't even know who Ripley is.
Sigourney Weaver still shows up in roles that are referencing the ALIEN series in some way. She's the big bad in "PAUL" with Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, Seth Rogen and they take lines from ALIENS. She is the ship's voice in "WALL-E".
I'm sure there are other examples.
Yeah, that's for the older fans, but the younger generation didn't grow up with Ripley.
QuoteQuote from: predxeno on Jun 10, 2016, 07:56:55 PM
I recall that many Prometheus fans argued that since Ridley Scott was the director of the first film, all his ideas were automatically great ones no matter what. I'm actually rather curious to know whether they still think that in light of this new plot development or whether they changed their minds.
The thing is... I think most people can agree that what Prometheus brought to the table was interesting and good but it was the execution of those good interesting ideas that fell short. Prometheus did attempt to expand the universe. The script and plot was damaged. But the ideas it brought to the universe were good. Some may say great.
Also... people talking about Jones showing up... Is that a joke because of how cheesey and corny it is to have a Ripley in the movie to begin with? Cause... Cats are extremely lucky to live past 15. 11 year old Ripley isn't gonna have a kitty Jonesy.
Creme Puff lived to 38.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creme_Puff_(cat) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creme_Puff_(cat))
But it still makes her relevant I think.
Shit. I laughed at that. I laughed even more when I googled Creme Puff... I'm not even that old yet.
This rumor just doesn't even seem like good storytelling.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jun 12, 2016, 08:10:51 AMI can see it going a number of ways in which it could still be good.
1. A Ripley family member makes a cameo appearance.
[...]
I'd rather see a familial connection to another main character if they have to at all. Maybe Dallas' uncle or dad. Hicks' granddad or grandma. If they wanted to have it not be a coincidence. Maybe someone related to Gorman (assuming he's from a military family) or someone related to Burke (assuming his family has always had ties to WY)
I dunno man. Even if it's just a walk-on cameo, it's still winking at the audience, and I hate that.
^this
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 12, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jun 12, 2016, 08:10:51 AMI can see it going a number of ways in which it could still be good.
1. A Ripley family member makes a cameo appearance.
[...]
I'd rather see a familial connection to another main character if they have to at all. Maybe Dallas' uncle or dad. Hicks' granddad or grandma. If they wanted to have it not be a coincidence. Maybe someone related to Gorman (assuming he's from a military family) or someone related to Burke (assuming his family has always had ties to WY)
I dunno man. Even if it's just a walk-on cameo, it's still winking at the audience, and I hate that.
That's a good way to phrase it actually. This is Aliens not Deadpool. We don't need any 4th wall breaking of any sort.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 12, 2016, 11:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 12, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jun 12, 2016, 08:10:51 AMI can see it going a number of ways in which it could still be good.
1. A Ripley family member makes a cameo appearance.
[...]
I'd rather see a familial connection to another main character if they have to at all. Maybe Dallas' uncle or dad. Hicks' granddad or grandma. If they wanted to have it not be a coincidence. Maybe someone related to Gorman (assuming he's from a military family) or someone related to Burke (assuming his family has always had ties to WY)
I dunno man. Even if it's just a walk-on cameo, it's still winking at the audience, and I hate that.
That's a good way to phrase it actually. This is Aliens not Deadpool. We don't need any 4th wall breaking of any sort.
They did specify that she isn't the lead since the film has an ensemble cast.
If the plot really, REALLY, needs her to be Ripley's mother, than i guess i'll have to accept it. If not, then there's no point
This is a terrible, cringey idea. Ahhhhh prequels, the bane of every film series.
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 13, 2016, 02:40:11 PM
This is a terrible, cringey idea. Ahhhhh prequels, the bane of every film series.
Im starting to think that the attn prequels get for doing convenient things like this, are what attracts the studio to the ideas. They like the negative attn. Maybe they figure it's easier to manufacture than positive attn.
Quote from: CainsSon on Jun 13, 2016, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Jun 13, 2016, 02:40:11 PM
This is a terrible, cringey idea. Ahhhhh prequels, the bane of every film series.
Im starting to think that the attn prequels get for doing convenient things like this, are what attracts the studio to the ideas. They like the negative attn. Maybe they figure it's easier to manufacture than positive attn.
I'm not into conspiracies or anything but maybe it was deliberately leaked to drum up early publicity. Considering how many publications picked up on the story and Fox's blatant 'Remove Spoiler' request (as if that wouldn't raise any eyebrows). Maybe it's all part of the master plan.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jun 12, 2016, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Jun 10, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Except the last movie with Ripley was almost 20 years ago. A whole generation of movie goers probably don't even know who Ripley is.
Sigourney Weaver still shows up in roles that are referencing the ALIEN series in some way. She's the big bad in "PAUL" with Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, Seth Rogen and they take lines from ALIENS. She is the ship's voice in "WALL-E".
I'm sure there are other examples.
Quote from: predxeno on Jun 10, 2016, 07:56:55 PM
I recall that many Prometheus fans argued that since Ridley Scott was the director of the first film, all his ideas were automatically great ones no matter what. I'm actually rather curious to know whether they still think that in light of this new plot development or whether they changed their minds.
The thing is... I think most people can agree that what Prometheus brought to the table was interesting and good but it was the execution of those good interesting ideas that fell short. Prometheus did attempt to expand the universe. The script and plot was damaged. But the ideas it brought to the universe were good. Some may say great.
Also... people talking about Jones showing up... Is that a joke because of how cheesey and corny it is to have a Ripley in the movie to begin with? Cause... Cats are extremely lucky to live past 15. 11 year old Ripley isn't gonna have a kitty Jonesy.
Could quality come out of Ripley's mom being in Covenant? Yes. I can see it going a number of ways in which it could still be good.
1. A Ripley family member makes a cameo appearance.
2. If there is a Ripley in the movie, they die. They sort of have to unless they conveniently get into stasis and don't get out until after the events of ALIENS. Which would be what? Almost 100 years.
I'd rather see a familial connection to another main character if they have to at all. Maybe Dallas' uncle or dad. Hicks' granddad or grandma. If they wanted to have it not be a coincidence. Maybe someone related to Gorman (assuming he's from a military family) or someone related to Burke (assuming his family has always had ties to WY)
It would not work how would Ripley be born if they die.
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/alien/news/a826880/alien-covenant-katherine-waterston-ripley-mother-rumour/?utm_content=buffer6cb93&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=maintwitterpost
I've been told this is a no. Might end up being a thing in the later films though...maybe? I hope not.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2017, 12:59:18 PM
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/alien/news/a826880/alien-covenant-katherine-waterston-ripley-mother-rumour/?utm_content=buffer6cb93&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=maintwitterpost
I've been told this is a no. Might end up being a thing in the later films though...maybe? I hope not.
I thought Scott said they considered it and decided against it?
Yeah. He said they'd considered it.
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Jun 12, 2016, 08:10:51 AM
Also... people talking about Jones showing up... Is that a joke because of how cheesey and corny it is to have a Ripley in the movie to begin with? Cause... Cats are extremely lucky to live past 15. 11 year old Ripley isn't gonna have a kitty Jonesy.
in my family we have had 5 cats up untill now where none of them lived shorter than 17 years. the oldest to date has managed to hit 22. The one we have now is lively enough to atleast get close to that or hopefully even top it (in good health we hope offcourse).