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Previews:

• AvPGalaxy (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/index.php?main=site&section=articleeurogamerexpo)

• IGN (http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1038881p1.html)(Thanks to Hemi)
• VideoGamer (http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/aliens_vs_predator/preview-2073.html)
• Spong 1 (http://spong.com/feature/10109990/Interview-Rebellion-Aliens-vs-Predator), Spong 2 (http://spong.com/feature/10109991/Preview-Aliens-vs-Predator)
• CVG (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=226006)
• GameStar (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamestar.de%2Fpreviews%2Faction%2F2310051%2Faliens_vs_predator.html&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate)(Thanks to AMC_Duke)
• Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/aliensvspredatorworkingtitle/news.html?sid=6237959&mode=previews)
• Eurogamer (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/aliens-vs-predator-hands-on)
• TotalVideoGames (http://www.totalvideogames.com/Aliens-vs-Predator/preview-14700.html)
• GamePreview (http://game-preview.tungtram.com/2009/10/playstation-3-aliens-vs-predator.html)
• GamesRadar (http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/aliens-vs-predator/preview/avp-alien-vs-predator-vs-marine-whos-the-best-in-multiplayer/a-20091026161720590059/g-2009052110215111019)
• 1UP (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3176650)
• TeamXbox (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/2453/Aliens-vs-Predator/p1/)
• Play.TM (http://play.tm/preview/27329/aliens-vs-predator-multiplayer-hands-on/)
• GamePro (http://www.gamepro.com/article/previews/212754/aliens-vs-predator-multiplayer-hands-on/)
• GameSpy (http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/aliens-vs-predator-2009/1039791p1.html)
• Electricpig (http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/10/30/aliens-vs-predator-first-play/) Nov 2
• PixelatedGeek (http://pixelatedgeek.com/2009/11/aliens-vs-predator-hands-on-at-eurogamer-expo-london/) Nov 2
• PS3.Kombo (http://ps3.kombo.com/article.php?artid=11211) Nov 3
• Britxbox (http://www2.britxbox.co.uk/viewarticle.php?id=3895) Nov 4
• NowGamer (http://pc-mmo.nowgamer.com/previews/pc-mmo/797/aliens-vs-predator) Nov 4
• Telegraph.co.uk (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/6509657/Aliens-vs-Predator-video-game-preview.html) Nov 5
• PCGZine (http://www.gamerzines.com/downloads/magazines/PCGZine_36.pdf)
• Gamingunion (http://www.gamingunion.net/news/aliens-vs-predator-avp-multiplayer-preview-predator--680.html)

Videos:

AvPGalaxy.net Exclusives:

• AvPGalaxy 1 - Alien Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCd-SDkqISE)
• AvPGalaxy 2 - Predator Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb-3gwbeBnA)
• AvPGalaxy 3 - Marine Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQxF8h9Kgg)
• AvPGalaxy 4 - Marine Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga6U7_aAcx0)
• AvPGalaxy 5 - Marine Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZvZlYr5mpw)

• ClubiiTv Video review *NEW* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF-sDGHMzSo)
• Gamers impressions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-muI3HoibhA)

• 360 Gamer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ac-FdMx00) (Thanks to Private W Hudson)
• Cam footage (1:35 min) Alien gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfS_saJ4Fbo) Oct 27
• Cam footage (37 s) Marine gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeIv8EVrpDM) Oct 27
• Cam footage (1:37 min) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZry50PMJ8) Oct 29
• Cam footage (2:30 min) Alien/Marine gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sboevCyvDDE) Oct 29
• Cam footage (23 s) Marine gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSv9kkXsk48) Oct 29
• Cam footage (3 min) Alien gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw) Oct 29
• Cam footage (2:37 min) Marine gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SNGRQDLg8Q) Oct 30
• Cam footage (9m 37s) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpgBvfZBGEo) Oct 31
• Cam footage (3m 51s) Alien gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4G9e4czNY) Oct 31
• Cam footage (4m 47s) Marine gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZl6tkqP7-c) Oct 31
• Cam footage (6m 45s) Alien gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gZBuu0H8Ro) Oct 31
• Cam footage (3m 11s) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJf-x5ur5xA) Oct 31
• Cam footage (3m 10s) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0brayvNwXEg) Oct 31
• Cam footage (4m 20s) Alien gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNjI_2wLxLU) Oct 31
• Cam footage (1m 03s) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AETLe-ibCE) Nov 2
• Cam footage (18s) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UabRwXST6OI) Nov 2
• Cam footage (23 s) Marine gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO4KL-WymWU) Nov 4

• Cam footage (27 s) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAETwO4mzjg) Nov 5
• Cam footage (35 s) Predator gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqM0dCDuweU) Nov 16

Eurogamer Expo Pics: Gallery (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=-238)

PS3 Controls:


Related articles:

• DLC already in Production (http://www.totalvideogames.com/Aliens-vs-Predator/news/Aliens-vs-Predator-DLC-Already-In-Production-14697.html)
• Nowgamer Q&A (http://www.nowgamer.com/features/438/aliens-vs-predator-qa?o=0#listing)
• 'Healthy rivalry' (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=226052?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS)
• Movie cast "surprises on the way" (http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=14702)
• CVG Interview (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=226009?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS) Includes a promo pic (http://medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_223003.jpg)
• PCGZine interview (http://www.gamerzines.com/downloads/magazines/PCGZine_36.pdf) *NEW*

the German Magazin Gamestar wrote a Multiplayer review its pretty nice

here is a translation with babbel fish

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamestar.de%2Fpreviews%2Faction%2F2310051%2Faliens_vs_predator.html&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

and here in German

http://www.gamestar.de/previews/action/2310051/aliens_vs_predator.html

sounds good

Here are the Keypoints Gameplay wise:

Marine:
- Marines are running mutch slower then Aliens and Predators
- They are Week in Close Combat have no finishing moves
- They use flashlights what make them even more Visable to aliens and Predators
- They are Ranged Combat masters and can kill aliens easly in the distanz but are dead in Close combat :-)

- Pistol and Pulse rifle are standart Weapons more weapons you can find in the maps.

Alien:
- They are Bad Ass fast in Sprint Mode they are so fast that you realy need to Know the Maps good
- Once you are on your enemy you just need very less hits with claw or tail to ripp off your enemys even Preds.
- ALiens Cant take mutch hit points what makes them week to ranged weapons they are close combat Kings.
- They can see through walls and they see clocked Preds

Predator:
-invisibilty breaks after you shoot
- plasma caster is homing and takes 3 secounds to target
- He can use the disc and he can controll the Disc while it flys
- If you run out of energy you need to find a energy regenerator in the Map and restor energy takes up to 5 secs
- jumping is like we saw it in the pred gameplay vid with targeting to jump
- Predator is a heavy Class can Kill instant but has down times with energy refill and Disc Recall


MISC:
- Aliens and Predator are fun to Play but are Hard to master this game is not for some nubs to enjoy.


MAPS:

- Rebellion Confirmet that they will have A Tempel Map from AvP 1 movie and it will change after some minutes like in the Movie ! That sounds awsome !

I say they used google translator for that.. Seriously though it was shit to read at times.. Sounded interesting though

AvP movies

very interesting. I still wonder how the pred health regen is going to work. And i want to see preds melee in action against an alien.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1038885p1.html (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1038885p1.html)

promising..

Only 4 game modes including the coop ? WTF man ?

This isn't avp2, yet. We only got survivor and hunt modes.

Catch an enemy from behind and you'll have a clear window to initiate your leap attack, which can be activated from a fair distance and will instantly kill Predators and marines caught with their pants down.

But you know, aliens are weak and this is a pred fanboy game  ::)

And-----> IGN Multiplayer preview

Indeed, if anything the Alien is overpowered – playing as either the Marine or Predator during a vanilla deathmatch resulted in a kill shower, and on several occasions we were being snacked upon mere seconds after re-spawning. The feel of each species has been nailed impeccably – more so, in fact, than we dared dream after first laying eyes on the game – but the balancing, it seems, is still something that's up in the air.

::) ::) ::)

7 multiplayer modes. nice.

no.

we have:
survivor - marine v waves of aliens

hunt - 1 pred v marines

infestation - 1 alien v marines, when marine dies, becomes alien

deathmatch

and 3 more we don't know about.

read the other articles. there are 4 that have been revealed. three more on the way.

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 05:19:06 PM
read the other articles. there are 4 that have been revealed. three more on the way.

Can't wait :D

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
no.

we have:
survivor - marine v waves of aliens

hunt - 1 pred v marines

infestation - 1 alien v marines, when marine dies, becomes alien

deathmatch

and 3 more we don't know about.

Obviously team deathmatch and perhaps evac should make a come back

I wwas including team dm in the "Deathmatch" part.

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
no.

we have:
survivor - marine v waves of aliens

hunt - 1 pred v marines

infestation - 1 alien v marines, when marine dies, becomes alien

deathmatch

and 3 more we don't know about.

Don't forget Pyramid.

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 26, 2009, 05:44:50 PM

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
no.

we have:
survivor - marine v waves of aliens

hunt - 1 pred v marines

infestation - 1 alien v marines, when marine dies, becomes alien

deathmatch

and 3 more we don't know about.

Don't forget Pyramid.

Pyramid? wtf lol the only good one there sounds like infestation but it would be fun playing 3 players on deathmatch like 1 of each alien,pred,marine exciting :D

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
7 multiplayer modes. nice.

Could you least those 7 modes please hehe :P and damn all that talk about the predator being overpowerd honestly the marines are gonna be the weakest aliens can kill instantly :P

That's really awesome info Dwaine, especially the parts you FAILED to post like where the Alien is made of tissue paper and Pred kills are one hit instantaneous, or three hit melee which is actually faster, and he has way more health.

QuotePredators have on-demand stealth, great manoeuvrability and powerful attacks at both close and long range. Guess which was regularly reaping the highest kill counts?

and let's take another quote out of context shall we?

Quoteespecially the Predator's wildly overpowered stealth

QuotePredators won't start with a full weapons loadout in multiplayer matches. But with their stealth kills, they'll still be unstoppable.

Quote- and from what we've played they stack up pretty evenly already

QuoteIn Predator Hunt - and you need no further indication of how overpowered the Predator is than this - there is only ever one Predator,

oh yeah and

::) ::) ::)

Quote from: Private W Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 05:57:48 PM

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
7 multiplayer modes. nice.

Could you least those 7 modes please hehe :P and damn all that talk about the predator being overpowerd honestly the marines are gonna be the weakest aliens can kill instantly :P

They will probably show the finals modes at the US junket.

Quote from: Private W Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 05:47:01 PM

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 26, 2009, 05:44:50 PM

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
no.

we have:
survivor - marine v waves of aliens

hunt - 1 pred v marines

infestation - 1 alien v marines, when marine dies, becomes alien

deathmatch

and 3 more we don't know about.

Don't forget Pyramid.

Pyramid? wtf lol the only good one there sounds like infestation but it would be fun playing 3 players on deathmatch like 1 of each alien,pred,marine exciting :D

I was JK, but it should be a new mode. Too fun for just a map.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 26, 2009, 05:58:20 PM

Quote from: Private W Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 05:57:48 PM

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 04:56:57 PM
7 multiplayer modes. nice.

Could you least those 7 modes please hehe :P and damn all that talk about the predator being overpowerd honestly the marines are gonna be the weakest aliens can kill instantly :P

They will probably show the finals modes at the US junket.

Looks like this game ain't gonna be noob friendly to new players lol :P can imagine getting raped in deathmatch loving all the upcoming MP modes lots of them can't wait

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 26, 2009, 05:59:26 PM

Quote from: Private W Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 05:47:01 PM

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 26, 2009, 05:44:50 PM

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
no.

we have:
survivor - marine v waves of aliens

hunt - 1 pred v marines

infestation - 1 alien v marines, when marine dies, becomes alien

deathmatch

and 3 more we don't know about.

Don't forget Pyramid.

Pyramid? wtf lol the only good one there sounds like infestation but it would be fun playing 3 players on deathmatch like 1 of each alien,pred,marine exciting :D

I was JK, but it should be a new mode. Too fun for just a map.

Oh right lol haha :D theres gonna be loads of maps let's not forget the upcoming dlc content.

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 26, 2009, 05:59:26 PM

Quote from: Private W Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 05:47:01 PM

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 26, 2009, 05:44:50 PM

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 05:18:17 PM
no.

we have:
survivor - marine v waves of aliens

hunt - 1 pred v marines

infestation - 1 alien v marines, when marine dies, becomes alien

deathmatch

and 3 more we don't know about.

Don't forget Pyramid.

Pyramid? wtf lol the only good one there sounds like infestation but it would be fun playing 3 players on deathmatch like 1 of each alien,pred,marine exciting :D

I was JK, but it should be a new mode. Too fun for just a map.

Probably be timed.

infenstation = survivor; marines turn into liens when dead
hunt = hunt; preds turn to oomans when dead
+ the make up

Not exactly the same but very similar.

Plus not all the reviews look at things the same. Only one of them reported the multiplayer bug.

Taking Dow2's approached with scaled damage versus melee locked characters might be the best approach, otherwise you'll potentially have two discs and grenades versus locks for the insta two point score uppage.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 26, 2009, 05:57:51 PM
That's really awesome info Dwaine, especially the parts you FAILED to post like where the Alien is made of tissue paper and Pred kills are one hit instantaneous (ALIENS MAKE INSTANTANEOUS KILLS TOO), or three hit melee which is actually faster (FALSE), and he has way more health.

QuotePredators have on-demand stealth, great manoeuvrability and powerful attacks at both close and long range. Guess which was regularly reaping the highest kill counts?

and let's take another quote out of context shall we?

Quoteespecially the Predator's wildly overpowered stealth (LOL, ALIENS CAN SEE THE PRED ALWAYS)

QuotePredators won't start with a full weapons loadout in multiplayer matches. But with their stealth kills (AGAIN, PRED-STEALH MEANS NOTHING FOR AN ALIEN), they'll still be unstoppable.

Quote- and from what we've played they stack up pretty evenly already

QuoteIn Predator Hunt - and you need no further indication of how overpowered the Predator is than this - there is only ever one Predator (----->from GAMEPREVIEW: "Lastly, we had a brief look at Predator Hunt where you get to play as a group of predators hunting a sole alien")

oh yeah and

::) ::) ::)

Awwwww how sweet, xhan  "CrYiGn MoDe On" , offcourse the previews totally rape you amazing theory about the preds being the absolute invincible killing machine...whit weak aliens runing arround, whit the alien described as "overpowered" in in the articles...your "omg! but the pred still having more health" its hilarious...but hey!, freak fanboys cant change their minds, so keep with the good work! Kudos for you mate!

The bitching never ends \o/

Oh and... ::)

10 reviews and only one said the aliens are overpowered. Like I said before the interviewers look at things different and I'm sure they have their favorites. Some even confirmed the "uber pred" theory.

Quote from: Brother on Oct 26, 2009, 07:05:20 PM
10 reviews and only one said the aliens are overpowered. Like I said before the interviewers look at things different and I'm sure they have their favorites. Some even confirmed the "uber pred" theory.

The previews talk about the pred being uber against marines, coz they can cloak (even if they must decloak after every attack). Thats all. The cloak thing its useless agains Aliens. The plasma caster needs 3 seconds to lock a target, and aliens speed is impressive.

Quote from: Yutani on Oct 26, 2009, 07:00:57 PM

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 26, 2009, 05:57:51 PM
That's really awesome info Dwaine, especially the parts you FAILED to post like where the Alien is made of tissue paper and Pred kills are one hit instantaneous (ALIENS MAKE INSTANTANEOUS KILLS TOO), or three hit melee which is actually faster (FALSE), and he has way more health.

QuotePredators have on-demand stealth, great manoeuvrability and powerful attacks at both close and long range. Guess which was regularly reaping the highest kill counts?

and let's take another quote out of context shall we?

Quoteespecially the Predator's wildly overpowered stealth (LOL, ALIENS CAN SEE THE PRED ALWAYS)

QuotePredators won't start with a full weapons loadout in multiplayer matches. But with their stealth kills (AGAIN, PRED-STEALH MEANS NOTHING FOR AN ALIEN), they'll still be unstoppable.

Quote- and from what we've played they stack up pretty evenly already

QuoteIn Predator Hunt - and you need no further indication of how overpowered the Predator is than this - there is only ever one Predator (----->from GAMEPREVIEW: "Lastly, we had a brief look at Predator Hunt where you get to play as a group of predators hunting a sole alien")

oh yeah and

::) ::) ::)

Awwwww how sweet, xhan  "CrYiGn MoDe On" , offcourse the previews totally rape you amazing theory about the preds being the absolute invincible killing machine...whit weak aliens runing arround, whit the alien described as "overpowered" in in the articles...your "omg! but the pred still having more health" its hilarious...but hey!, freak fanboys cant change their minds, so keep with the good work! Kudos for you mate!

The bitching never ends \o/

Oh and... ::)

That's nice except you failed to address anything inclement to the quotes, principally because you can't, and my opinion of them is irrelevant, something you'd hit upon if you weren't so busy trolling/whining.

None of the reviewers have ample time and some may not even have the proper mindset or skill to make anything other than a cursory inspection, hence the term "preview". It's as easy to assume that players' long term capabilities and strategies will offer up tangents Rebellion never thought they'd have to contend with, and none of that hinges on a subjective impression based on at best a couple hours of gameplay with an unfamiliar control set and game mechanic implementation.

In either case none fo that covers stuff like:

QuoteI think so, I mean in some sense you'll probably look at the game and ask "Is the Marine, who doesn't have those Predator abilities, going to be weaker as a result?". The short answer is 'no', but it really depends on the skill of the player. There's always that skill factor involved. We can give players the tools, whether they choose to use those tools is entirely up to them. That's not me saying "the developer says it's your fault if you suck", not in the slightest. The Marine has heavy weapons that nobody has seen yet, like the Smart Gun. When you have the Smart Gun, everyone fears you. In the Deathmatch mode, that would be everybody [laughs].

or

Quote
It's getting the balance right between making the game accessible and having enough meat in there to satisfy core gamers. It's not 'dumbing down', but it's not slapping people in the face either. We'd really like you to enjoy this experience and give you a whole campaign that lets you get used to these three species, make a bond with them, choose your favourite and to learn how the system works against an AI that's dumber than a human. That's the concession if you want to see it as such.

or

Quote
The game doesn't really do these screens justice: grainy textures, flat lighting and a chugging frame rate were all noticeable.

or

Quotetaking any damage at all

Which players will decide hands on, which was the point of contention to begin with.

Um, guys, why not go to the Eurogamer event and play the game and thus, like, find out for yourself?

SEVEN MODES OMFG, cant wait :D.

I hope there will be one or 2 predators vs all aliens... Coz there is 1 alien vs predators, what is ok but, it should be opposite.

Is alien regeneration confirmed? It was stated in one of the previews but in another it says that marines and xenos have health packs. (Im guessing some people are confusing the species) I thought the were going with the eat-head-to-regain-health thing.

I'm pretty sure they'll stick to the headbite healing. NO autoheal, please.

I think they've said you auto heal.

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 26, 2009, 08:59:52 PM
I think they've said you auto heal.

No, they said head bites for aliens, wrist health comp for pred, marines medkits.

and another preview said you auto regen.

Dear Lord, I sure hope not. See? This is why I hate consoles.  :D

From IGN's hands on:

"The level of polish might fall short of what you'd expect from a top-tier game – murky textures and jittering character models means this is unlikely to be the measure of a Halo or Modern Warfare"

:'(

They do however mention the actual gameplay and feel of the game more than makes up for this.

I don't give a damn about the graphics. Gameplay is far more important.

Bah! I'm borderline giddy at this point!!! I can't freakin wait for February!

Agreed.

Quote from: Spaghetti on Oct 26, 2009, 08:41:27 PM
Is alien regeneration confirmed? It was stated in one of the previews but in another it says that marines and xenos have health packs. (Im guessing some people are confusing the species) I thought the were going with the eat-head-to-regain-health thing.

The headbite may have overcharge capabilities like last time. Jason already confirmed the chomp = most health thing way back in the CD:A interview. The other previewers may not have noticed the Alien regen, particularly since we see in the SP preview it's a bar as it used to be... which would make three health units for Aliens contradictory.

Quote from: Puks on Oct 26, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
Dear Lord, I sure hope not. See? This is why I hate consoles.  :D

Because that type of gameplay mechanic has SO MUCH to do with whether a game is on PC or on consoles.

::)

Quote from: Evil six on Oct 26, 2009, 09:07:10 PM
From IGN's hands on:

"The level of polish might fall short of what you'd expect from a top-tier game – murky textures and jittering character models means this is unlikely to be the measure of a Halo or Modern Warfare"

:'(

They do however mention the actual gameplay and feel of the game more than makes up for this.

They go on to mention:

Quotebut misgivings are drowned out by the sound of pulse rifle fire, the thrill of leaping from tree to tree when fully cloaked or the joy of slithering down a wall and impaling a Marine with your tail. In fact, those to-kill-for assets have been handled with a level of care that's comparable to the deft touch Rocksteady a few months back. Next year's Arkham Asylum? It's looking ever more likely.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 26, 2009, 07:41:42 PM

Quote from: Yutani on Oct 26, 2009, 07:00:57 PM

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 26, 2009, 05:57:51 PM
That's really awesome info Dwaine, especially the parts you FAILED to post like where the Alien is made of tissue paper and Pred kills are one hit instantaneous (ALIENS MAKE INSTANTANEOUS KILLS TOO), or three hit melee which is actually faster (FALSE), and he has way more health.

QuotePredators have on-demand stealth, great manoeuvrability and powerful attacks at both close and long range. Guess which was regularly reaping the highest kill counts?

and let's take another quote out of context shall we?

Quoteespecially the Predator's wildly overpowered stealth (LOL, ALIENS CAN SEE THE PRED ALWAYS)

QuotePredators won't start with a full weapons loadout in multiplayer matches. But with their stealth kills (AGAIN, PRED-STEALH MEANS NOTHING FOR AN ALIEN), they'll still be unstoppable.

Quote- and from what we've played they stack up pretty evenly already

QuoteIn Predator Hunt - and you need no further indication of how overpowered the Predator is than this - there is only ever one Predator (----->from GAMEPREVIEW: "Lastly, we had a brief look at Predator Hunt where you get to play as a group of predators hunting a sole alien")

oh yeah and

::) ::) ::)

Awwwww how sweet, xhan  "CrYiGn MoDe On" , offcourse the previews totally rape you amazing theory about the preds being the absolute invincible killing machine...whit weak aliens runing arround, whit the alien described as "overpowered" in in the articles...your "omg! but the pred still having more health" its hilarious...but hey!, freak fanboys cant change their minds, so keep with the good work! Kudos for you mate!

The bitching never ends \o/

Oh and... ::)

That's nice except you failed to address anything inclement to the quotes, principally because you can't, and my opinion of them is irrelevant, something you'd hit upon if you weren't so busy trolling/whining.

None of the reviewers have ample time and some may not even have the proper mindset or skill to make anything other than a cursory inspection, hence the term "preview". It's as easy to assume that players' long term capabilities and strategies will offer up tangents Rebellion never thought they'd have to contend with, and none of that hinges on a subjective impression based on at best a couple hours of gameplay with an unfamiliar control set and game mechanic implementation.

In either case none fo that covers stuff like:

QuoteI think so, I mean in some sense you'll probably look at the game and ask "Is the Marine, who doesn't have those Predator abilities, going to be weaker as a result?". The short answer is 'no', but it really depends on the skill of the player. There's always that skill factor involved. We can give players the tools, whether they choose to use those tools is entirely up to them. That's not me saying "the developer says it's your fault if you suck", not in the slightest. The Marine has heavy weapons that nobody has seen yet, like the Smart Gun. When you have the Smart Gun, everyone fears you. In the Deathmatch mode, that would be everybody [laughs].

or

Quote
It's getting the balance right between making the game accessible and having enough meat in there to satisfy core gamers. It's not 'dumbing down', but it's not slapping people in the face either. We'd really like you to enjoy this experience and give you a whole campaign that lets you get used to these three species, make a bond with them, choose your favourite and to learn how the system works against an AI that's dumber than a human. That's the concession if you want to see it as such.

or

Quote
The game doesn't really do these screens justice: grainy textures, flat lighting and a chugging frame rate were all noticeable.

or

Quotetaking any damage at all

Which players will decide hands on, which was the point of contention to begin with.

Do not totally ignore the IGN and Gamspot preview quotes about the alien being overpowered, and making "isnta-kills on preds", and you will be more close to the actual balance of the gameplay. Saying again and again that the pred its gonna be God in that game dont fit well with the last articles about AVP.

The Pred its gonna be strong for sure, (preds use to be strong, remember?) but the cloak its not "the ultimated tool of doom", the pred needs to decloak after every attack, and aliens dont give a dam about being invisible. You would need to collect weapons and there is no energy "auto-recharge"...so you have to spend time looking and using the recharges arround the map.

The pred can kill whit one shoot? Ok, whats wrong with that? The alien can do the same (from a huge distance if you check the previews)...both preds and aliens will rape marines from close-range (and the alien trailer showed us how fast can the xeno hit with the tail and claws).

The previews are based on a couple hours of gameplay? Sure, no doubts about that. But "that" involves all the info about AvP, not only when they said that the alien its gonna be the most fun to play, and a badass...

an Evacuation mode would be great!

I'm psyched for Predator Hunt mode, sounds really good!

Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 26, 2009, 09:44:35 PM
I'm psyched for Predator Hunt mode, sounds really good!

I'm psyched for infestation mode.

Quote from: Redlightning on Oct 26, 2009, 09:49:59 PM

Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 26, 2009, 09:44:35 PM
I'm psyched for Predator Hunt mode, sounds really good!

I'm psyched for infestation mode.

Infestation sounds epic.

...I'm still waiting for the unrevealed modes. :D

Dont get me wrong, but I still hate the fact that this title got ahead of ACM....but this multiplayer...jeezz sounds like allot of fun m8's. Brings me back to the old days of AVP 2. I think im gonna say it... I believe I was WRONG to judge this game so early.

nice  :D

QuoteBecause that type of gameplay mechanic has SO MUCH to do with whether a game is on PC or on consoles.

Autoheal, autoaim, autoshoot, autoplay  :D  Yep, that shit is dfntly console-ish. But srsly, consoles f.ck up PC gaming. Do you wanna start a good old console versus PC flame war?  :D

Quote from: Hemi on Oct 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
Dont get me wrong, but I still hate the fact that this title got ahead of ACM....but this multiplayer...jeezz sounds like allot of fun m8's. Brings me back to the old days of AVP 2. I think im gonna say it... I believe I was WRONG to judge this game so early.

nice  :D

Tim Jones forgives you

I am happy to hear Infestation (Survivor? :P) and Survival (Skirmish? :P) are in the game. Those will be the best playing. I am still hoping for an Evac mode though. That was also VERY fun.

 Now we need something like theater from Halo 3. So we can go back and look at those epic kills.

From the IGN preview: "Weapons are only available as pick-ups (though for the purpose of our demonstration we were given the full load-out from the off), and each has to be charged by recharge points that are sparingly scattered around the map."

What...the...hell?  You have to pick up your weapons on the map?  Why would a hunter leave his weapons scattered about?  And recharge points?  Again, I ask...what the hell?  Makes no sense at all.  The predator is supposed to be self-reliant.  I was really hoping we would avoid gimmicky balance tricks this time around.  Besides that, everything else really does look amazing, so I can't wait.

wonder what the three other modes are, cus they better not put capture the flag in it i can't stand capture the f****** flag.

Quote from: Steve C on Oct 26, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
From the IGN preview: "Weapons are only available as pick-ups (though for the purpose of our demonstration we were given the full load-out from the off), and each has to be charged by recharge points that are sparingly scattered around the map."

What...the...hell?  You have to pick up your weapons on the map?  Why would a hunter leave his weapons scattered about?  And recharge points?  Again, I ask...what the hell?  Makes no sense at all.  The predator is supposed to be self-reliant.  I was really hoping we would avoid gimmicky balance tricks this time around.  Besides that, everything else really does look amazing, so I can't wait.

For balancing purposes and to implement the no-classes system.

Quote from: Brother on Oct 26, 2009, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: Hemi on Oct 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
Dont get me wrong, but I still hate the fact that this title got ahead of ACM....but this multiplayer...jeezz sounds like allot of fun m8's. Brings me back to the old days of AVP 2. I think im gonna say it... I believe I was WRONG to judge this game so early.

nice  :D

Tim Jones forgives you

Well, he had allot to live up to I guess. Gettin' all that beef from us ACM lovers isnt easy. Hell, this looks like its the real deal at the moment...and ACM is a graveyard at the moment. Specially now that GBX is too busy with their dustball-game DLC garbage. I hope they'll include some fury 161 maps in the mp. that would be sweeeeeet.  :)

Quote from: xenomorph110 on Oct 26, 2009, 10:16:15 PM
wonder what the three other modes are, cus they better not put capture the flag in it i can't stand capture the f****** flag.

And they would force you to play it?

no but it would of been a waste of a gamemode.

Quote from: Hemi on Oct 26, 2009, 10:20:59 PM

Quote from: Brother on Oct 26, 2009, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: Hemi on Oct 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
Dont get me wrong, but I still hate the fact that this title got ahead of ACM....but this multiplayer...jeezz sounds like allot of fun m8's. Brings me back to the old days of AVP 2. I think im gonna say it... I believe I was WRONG to judge this game so early.

nice  :D

Tim Jones forgives you

Well, he had allot to live up to I guess. Gettin' all that beef from us ACM lovers isnt easy. Hell, this looks like its the real deal at the moment...and ACM is a graveyard at the moment. Specially now that GBX is too busy with their dustball-game DLC garbage. I hope they'll include some fury 161 maps in the mp. that would be sweeeeeet.  :)

Hemi you don't love A:CM anymore? :P Just a bit longer before AvP is out and A:CM can truly be unleashed upon us all.

I thought CTF would be a good mode on this game marines vs aliens or just multi classes on each sides

 Huh... Three way CTF game. Interesting.

QuoteBeing the only class with regenerative health only compounds the Alien's hidey-stalky prowess.

Quote from: Private W Hudson on Oct 26, 2009, 10:43:52 PM
I thought CTF would be a good mode on this game marines vs aliens or just multi classes on each sides

Marines have colonists to capture, Xenos have... um... eggs to capture, Preds have more powerful weapons to capture.

What's wrong with CTF? It's tried and true just as much as Deathmatch.

Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 26, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
What's wrong with CTF? It's tried and true just as much as Deathmatch.

Huh? Who said there was anything wrong with it?

Quote from: xenomorph110 on Oct 26, 2009, 10:16:15 PM
wonder what the three other modes are, cus they better not put capture the flag in it i can't stand capture the f****** flag.

Quote from: xenomorph110 on Oct 26, 2009, 10:29:10 PM
no but it would of been a waste of a gamemode.

This guy.

Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 26, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
What's wrong with CTF? It's tried and true just as much as Deathmatch.

Out of character.

All the non-Deathmatch game modes in this game have something to do with the theme of AvP, even if, like Infestation, they're lifted from other games.

Capture the Flag wouldn't work for Aliens, for one thing, unless they had to carry around a cumbersome egg in their dorsal tube gap. Even then, it would be far too easy for them, given their speed and maneuverability. Predators, likewise, have too much of an advantage with their Predjump and invisibility.

All that's left is the Marines, and when only ones species is going from Point A to Point B you may as well call it "Evac Mode" and give us some peace. 

CTF in AvP is ridiculous.

Yeah I not a big fan of the pred having to jump around to recharge points. Seems like it might cause some camping issues, unless Rebellion has added something to prevent such occurrences.

Can't wait to see some actual video footage of this carnage.

im excited and like what they have done with the game

Quote from: predatormegafan on Oct 26, 2009, 11:17:14 PM
im excited and like what they have done with the game

Yup, seems to have everything i would want in a AVP game well done rebellion :)

Looks better with each passing moment!

Quote from: Puks on Oct 26, 2009, 10:01:30 PM

QuoteBecause that type of gameplay mechanic has SO MUCH to do with whether a game is on PC or on consoles.

Autoheal, autoaim, autoshoot, autoplay  :D  Yep, that shit is dfntly console-ish. But srsly, consoles f.ck up PC gaming. Do you wanna start a good old console versus PC flame war?  :D

To each his own, some people enjoy searching for health packs. Other people find a regenerating health system promotes using cover and not rushing into to a battle then picking up a health pack at the end of a firefight.

Autoaim isn't something that was introduced by consoles so that really makes no sense.

It sounds like you're just hating on consoles for no particular reason.  :-\

The reason is that I'm a hardcore PC-only douche.  :D  Have played the computer for 15 years and I can see that consoles ruin PC games in the last few years. Multiplatform sux.

it seems to me that the predators have a pretty steep learning curve, esp. compared to the aliens

the aliens seem to be the most beginner-friendly and allow for very instinctive gameplay, all you have to master is movement and melee to be pretty damn effective

marines really are coming off as "weekass mcbullet boys", I think the factions will even out more at higher skill levels

Quote from: happypred on Oct 27, 2009, 12:17:31 AM
the aliens seem to be the most beginner-friendly

You mean the Marines right?  They're going to be like a standard shooter compared to the other two species.
The Aliens require a lot more patience and ambushing tactics then the Humans or Preds.

Quote from: Redlightning on Oct 27, 2009, 12:19:48 AM

Quote from: happypred on Oct 27, 2009, 12:17:31 AM
the aliens seem to be the most beginner-friendly

You mean the Marines right?  They're going to be like a standard shooter compared to the other two species.
The Aliens require a lot more patience and ambushing tactics then the Humans or Preds.

I was just about to say that.

Man, these previews got me pumped :D Glad to see they brought Suvivor back, and now even with a Pred version of it  :o

Did any one else notice that the Eurogamer preview seemed alittle negative though?

Qoute: grainy textures, flat lighting, and a chugging framerate were all noticeable

Hunt for the Queen will be a great mode. A clan of predators must kill the queen and aliens must defend her. Predators have 2 lives and aliens have 2 or unlimited lives.

Quote from: Redskins on Oct 27, 2009, 12:27:07 AM
Man, these previews got me pumped :D Glad to see they brought Suvivor back, and now even with a Pred version of it  :o

Did any one else notice that the Eurogamer preview seemed alittle negative though?

Qoute: grainy textures, flat lighting, and a chugging framerate were all noticeable

Yeah I noticed it too, but dont know what they mean by it. Except for what a chugging framerate is

Those modes sound nice.

Quote from: predalien27 on Oct 26, 2009, 11:44:06 PM
Looks better with each passing moment!

I agree wholeheartedly with you!

I just want to watch one match, from each perspective. I think I'd probably squeal  :P

Not to mention I'd watch it over and over, just like I have with the Pred gameplay.

Does anyone know whats going on at the 2:58 mark.  The point where the alien is being lifted into the air from the predator perspective?

another predator is killing it and lifting it up. Probably a trophy kill animation. Predators are visible in thermal vision but not alien vision.

Are they going to add the Aliens headbite in MP by just pressing a button or aiming at the head to gain health?

Quote from: predator25 on Oct 27, 2009, 02:47:10 AM
Are they going to add the Aliens headbite in MP ay just pressing a button or aiming at the head to gain health?

If I'm not mistaken, it's been confirmed that the Alien will have regenerating health.

As for the headbite, I don't think anyone is sure yet.

More likely than not.

1up preview
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3176650

i lied. already up

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 27, 2009, 03:09:04 AM
1up preview
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3176650

i lied. already up

Essshh. Sounds like the special attacks leave you way to open. I hope Rebellion can think of a way to allow players to cancel out the long drawn out animations so that you don't get left open when performing them.

The articles are neat and all, but they all provide very little information as to whether not the gameplay modes are you know... fun. Instead of providing little detail blurbs why not tell us how they played.

The animations could be like invincibility frames; quick little animations that allow for players to perform an action without being injured.

Example: in Resident Evil 4/5, if you pick up an item and an enemy is attacking, you won't feel it.

Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 27, 2009, 03:52:05 AM
The animations could be like invincibility frames; quick little animations that allow for players to perform an action without being injured.

Example: in Resident Evil 4/5, if you pick up an item and an enemy is attacking, you won't feel it.

Which I think is kinda dumb. I hated that about Gears of War 1. I think there should be options for quicker animations. Quick tail stab and it's over.

 Yes. Please no dragging out kill animations/finishers. One to two seconds would be perfect.

Just scale the damage, you still take damage, but not full, otherwise there's no point in even having them.

Spear at 3:18 on that video, also the Disc a few clips behind it. That disc throw looked pretty bad, not nearly as cool as throwing the disc in avp2.

But hey I could cry a little more about how the predators arms are always up as if he's always in a boxing position.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3176650

that's amusing.    I'd like to see Hiss spammers spam their hissing, only to be found and riddled with bullets.   :p

The modes are sounding kickass!  But remember there was also that interview where they said there
will be a special map in AVP that has never been done before in any multiplayer maps in history.   (probably something within the map or how its designed or something.)  

Did you also read his negative feedback, he may have a point about animations being a problem.

Quote from: affinity on Oct 27, 2009, 05:54:30 AM
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3176650

that's amusing.    I'd like to see Hiss spammers spam their hissing, only to be found and riddled with bullets.   :p

The modes are sounding kickass!  But remember there was also that interview where they said there
will be a special map in AVP that has never been done before in any multiplayer maps in history.   (probably something within the map or how its designed or something.)  

Did you ever play AvPG? Also If you're curious the animation for the hiss was shown on the alien leaked gameplay.

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 27, 2009, 06:15:17 AM

Quote from: affinity on Oct 27, 2009, 05:54:30 AM
http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3176650

that's amusing.    I'd like to see Hiss spammers spam their hissing, only to be found and riddled with bullets.   :p

The modes are sounding kickass!  But remember there was also that interview where they said there
will be a special map in AVP that has never been done before in any multiplayer maps in history.   (probably something within the map or how its designed or something.)  

Did you ever play AvPG? Also If you're curious the animation for the hiss was shown on the alien leaked gameplay.

well it's been a long time since I played AVPG.    Like, over 10 years I think.    Don't know if people
still play it online but playing it now isn't an option since I have this touch pad thingy for a mouse, not practical for shooters.

but yeah now I think I remember there was a key for even marines to say stuff, and Predator do their sounds.

Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Oct 26, 2009, 10:43:00 PM

Quote from: Hemi on Oct 26, 2009, 10:20:59 PM

Quote from: Brother on Oct 26, 2009, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: Hemi on Oct 26, 2009, 09:58:30 PM
Dont get me wrong, but I still hate the fact that this title got ahead of ACM....but this multiplayer...jeezz sounds like allot of fun m8's. Brings me back to the old days of AVP 2. I think im gonna say it... I believe I was WRONG to judge this game so early.

nice  :D

Tim Jones forgives you

Well, he had allot to live up to I guess. Gettin' all that beef from us ACM lovers isnt easy. Hell, this looks like its the real deal at the moment...and ACM is a graveyard at the moment. Specially now that GBX is too busy with their dustball-game DLC garbage. I hope they'll include some fury 161 maps in the mp. that would be sweeeeeet.  :)

Hemi you don't love A:CM anymore? :P Just a bit longer before AvP is out and A:CM can truly be unleashed upon us all.

NEVER!!! ACM 4 Life bro!!! Just saying that this game would prob keep us occupied till ACM drops.  :)

good article

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/aliens-vs-predator/preview/avp-alien-vs-predator-vs-marine-whos-the-best-in-multiplayer/a-20091026161720590059/g-2009052110215111019

its 3 pages

1UP

QuoteAnd currently the game lets Predators and Aliens sneak up on their opponents from behind for one-hit Stealth Kills, which then starts a needlessly long animation that actually leaves you completely vulnerable. In my hectic mulitplayer matches, that almost always meant a chain of killing one enemy, only to be killed by another player as soon as I started my attack.

Well yeah, long animations in MP

Teamxbox

QuoteThis latest AvP reminds me more of the 2001 PC title, Aliens versus Predator 2 that was developed by Monolith, but was a sequel to another AvP game...

AvP2

QuoteHe's like Lionel Richie with acid blood

...

QuoteBoth of these modes seem to prove the point that a single marine versus a single Alien or Predator is a fundamentally unfair match.

Balance

QuoteI can't imagine that the team has placeholder graphics in place at this point in development, but I really kind of hope that they do.

The graphics were the one thing we were sure its going to rock.

Quote from: AMC_Duke on Oct 26, 2009, 02:20:58 PM
the German Magazin Gamestar wrote a Multiplayer review its pretty nice

here is a translation with babbel fish

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamestar.de%2Fpreviews%2Faction%2F2310051%2Faliens_vs_predator.html&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

and here in German

http://www.gamestar.de/previews/action/2310051/aliens_vs_predator.html

sounds good

Here are the Keypoints Gameplay wise:

Marine:
- Marines are running mutch slower then Aliens and Predators
- They are Week in Close Combat have no finishing moves
- They use flashlights what make them even more Visable to aliens and Predators
- They are Ranged Combat masters and can kill aliens easly in the distanz but are dead in Close combat :-)

- Pistol and Pulse rifle are standart Weapons more weapons you can find in the maps.

Alien:
- They are Bad Ass fast in Sprint Mode they are so fast that you realy need to Know the Maps good
- Once you are on your enemy you just need very less hits with claw or tail to ripp off your enemys even Preds.
- ALiens Cant take mutch hit points what makes them week to ranged weapons they are close combat Kings.
- They can see through walls and they see clocked Preds

Predator:
-invisibilty breaks after you shoot
- plasma caster is homing and takes 3 secounds to target
- He can use the disc and he can controll the Disc while it flys
- If you run out of energy you need to find a energy regenerator in the Map and restor energy takes up to 5 secs
- jumping is like we saw it in the pred gameplay vid with targeting to jump
- Predator is a heavy Class can Kill instant but has down times with energy refill and Disc Recall


MISC:
- Aliens and Predator are fun to Play but are Hard to master this game is not for some nubs to enjoy.


MAPS:

- Rebellion Confirmet that they will have A Tempel Map from AvP 1 movie and it will change after some minutes like in the Movie ! That sounds awsome !

He can use the disc and he can controll the Disc while it flys---This is a bad idea.
According to the Predator2,The Disc is a smart weapon, it can auto tracking  target without the mask.

the TEMPLE pyramid FROM AVP1 MOVIE?!!??!!?!?!!?

So that's what they meant. 

It will likely be a map that will change every couple of minutes/seconds in sections!
That is gonna be intense!!!!!!!!!

We still need a pure jungle map,  and a map that takes place inside a Sulaco-sized spaceship in outerspace.

Maybe even something like the Nostromo or the Auriga. Multiple floors.  Elevators, Ladders. corridors, vents, and various spots that can break open and send people into outerspace! 

Interesting how everyone played the same build and ended up with completely different prose.

I knoooooow

Oh nooooo ;)

hey what do you do in evac mode from the last games?

I'm not sure how they can balance Aliens vs. Marines better.

Aliens already seem to go down nice and easy to pulse rifle fire. It's up to the Marine to think about Alien hiding locations and to flush the f**kers out. If you're just waltzing around shadowed areas, not watching your back (at the very least to get a motion tracker reading) then you pretty much deserve to get cored by an Alien.

Conversely, Predators appear to be dominating. I don't see what's wrong with giving Predators an amount of health that isn't completely overwhelming. They shouldn't be that much tougher than human beings when it comes to taking bullet damage (or Alien limb thrashings, as the case may be). In addition, the effectiveness of the cloak needs to be a bit nerfed so there's a few more general clues that a Predator is prowling.

Rebellion say that a good old blast with the pulse rifle can bring down Predators without too many issues. I'll take their word on that. The difference between Alien stealth and Predator stealth, however, is that an Alien is forced to present itself at times while a Predator can prance around undetected at leisure with its new, non-energy-consumptive cloak.

One of the species needs to evacuate, get from the spawn point to the evac point.

Its best if the evacuation is humans against aliens, no need for preds  here.

You get 2 respawns, 2 lives. Goes both for humans and aliens.

It can be regular evac - the evac countdown starts with only 1 marine on the evac point;
Or hardcore evac - all the marines have to be on the evac point;

You have to stay on the evac spot for 10 seconds to complete the evacuation.

There are still some evac servers running in AvP2, you can check it out.

Maps to try: Auriga, Industry, Toxic Feud, Stranded, Jungle, Nebel, Castaway and many more.

It is the closest thing you get to cooperative gameplay in AvP2 and its hella fun.

thanks you see I haven't played on the last 2 games because my computer just can't run it.

If you are planning on playing AvP3 then your PC can run the previous games fo' sure. Unless your pc is too good.

If you need help with AvP2 let me know.

I guess I'll have to settle with my Xbox which is absolutely fine but I've heard that AVP3 will have better graphics on PC due to some direct X 11 or something that enhances the graphics now I really hope they do something to console versions cus they should know that some ppl just don't have very powerful PCs at all.But brother thanks for offering to help m8 but for me to play the PC version i'll have to get a new PC.

I'm building a new PC for this...it's going to be pricey.  Especially if I get a card that supports dx11. :-\

your building a pc?

Haha, I'm sticking with my 360 :P I'll never be able to afford a gaming rig fast enough to play this.

me to I'm sticking with my xbox a few of my friends are getting it we could make clan you can join if you want G8RSG1.

Well I'm pretty much set, I've had a PC that could run this 3 years ago.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 27, 2009, 11:29:34 AM
I'm not sure how they can balance Aliens vs. Marines better.

Aliens already seem to go down nice and easy to pulse rifle fire. It's up to the Marine to think about Alien hiding locations and to flush the f**kers out. If you're just waltzing around shadowed areas, not watching your back (at the very least to get a motion tracker reading) then you pretty much deserve to get cored by an Alien.

Conversely, Predators appear to be dominating. I don't see what's wrong with giving Predators an amount of health that isn't completely overwhelming. They shouldn't be that much tougher than human beings when it comes to taking bullet damage (or Alien limb thrashings, as the case may be). In addition, the effectiveness of the cloak needs to be a bit nerfed so there's a few more general clues that a Predator is prowling.

Rebellion say that a good old blast with the pulse rifle can bring down Predators without too many issues. I'll take their word on that. The difference between Alien stealth and Predator stealth, however, is that an Alien is forced to present itself at times while a Predator can prance around undetected at leisure with its new, non-energy-consumptive cloak.

Pred cant hide from aliens. In fact, Aliens and Preds seems to be well balanced, with the humans a little (or much)unpowered. But thats fair. If a play as a a marine, i want to feel the fear...

After all humans need to work in groups . I dont think a human has a chance 1 on 1 against a alien or predator.  I dont care what arsenal he has.

Playing as the marine will always be the scariest because the other 2 species can get the drop on you, without you being able to get the drop on them. At one moment you may be walking through a coridoor and the next you could find yourself suddenly dead....with absolutely no warning. In a sense, it's almost partially like you being injured in Team Fortress 2 in your own base going back to your re-supply and all of a sudden a Spy decloaked behind you and backstabbed you....and you never saw it coming. Infact, playing as a Spy in TF2 using the Cloak & Dagger is probably, at the moment, the closest feeling to playing as the Pred in MP.

In terms of the chance of survivability of a single marine, to be honest, the chances would be incredibly low against even a single Alien or Predator, largely due to the fact, again, that they can always see you and stalk you, plan their attacks, while as the marine, you need to react as quickly as possible to an ambush attack.

Even if you take L4D as an example - if you have a single survivor left trying to make it to the safe house with a single Hunter in pursuit, if the Hunter is a decent enough player, the odds would be stacked in the Hunter's favour.

Quote from: Spoon on Oct 27, 2009, 03:13:34 PM
After all humans need to work in groups . I dont think a human has a chance 1 on 1 against a alien or predator.  I dont care what arsenal he has.

Exactly, ----->The thing is, while this all makes him sound like AvP's Mr. Neverplayed, his limitations actually give him a very important bonus. Whereas Aliens and Predators are more than capable of cleaning up on their own, survival as a Marine very much promotes tight co-operative play. And that's a very good thing.

Yes, playing as the marine is all about playing in a team, if you are alone, against any half decent Alien or Predator player, your chances of survival are incredibly low. Which is why I like the idea of the Infestation and Predator Hunt modes, it plays well to the playing style of the species involved. I'm also glad Rebellion didn't just create modes that involve all 3 species, but also created ones that only make use of 2, ie, Predator vs Marines or Marines vs Aliens, etc.

Quote from: Steve C on Oct 27, 2009, 01:31:05 PM
I'm building a new PC for this...it's going to be pricey.  Especially if I get a card that supports dx11. :-\

A rig around $800-1000 will do. And serve you for the next two years.

I hope they put bots in multiplayer, and not just for Survival mode.

So marines will pick up some items from floor called steam-pack or something ? This sounds like unreal tournament flick, where they pickup those capsules for HP, at least in UT those things are logically explained.

Also marine will be able to jump whenever you want ? Wasnt that used only like 10 years ago when they did not know other way to fix that ? I mean imagine marine in alien movie jumping and shooting. I would turn off my TV. I really hope they will remove BUNNY JUMPING from the game, for marine, that will looks funny...

I mean those are only 2 things a REALLY HATE for now. Since it makes this game brainless and puts it to level of old games like quake 1 and 2.

But I like the rest :) . Dont flame pls xD, comment only if you want. :D

Regarding the marine being underpowered, he's supposed to be that way when he's ALONE. If a guy who's playing as a marine starts whining that he's getting killed way too much when he runs off and solos it, I would slap him. Going solo as a marine is playing to the strengths of the other two species, your playing their game.

In combat, you want to play your game on your own terms when you can. Instead of running into a dark corridor and only facing forward expecting an alien to jump out and stand there while you shoot it to pieces, you could have one player with a shotgun face forward and have one or two others cover the rest of the angles with rifles.

Switch sides in this situation. You are an alien and see a lone marine running down the corridor. You drop off the ceiling behind him, run him through, then go back up into your spot. He's done and dusted. Replay this but instead add two more marines, one with a shotgun checking 12 and the others checking walls, ceilings, vents, and so on and so forth. Your on the ceiling, one of the guys with a rifle looks up, sees you, tags you and your down. Your blood could kill someone on the way down but it's doubtful.

I don't see how people can whine about being underpowered when they have all the means possible to dominate the map. Players are given the means to be good, not the skill. As a marine, you have to evaluate every situation and think like your the enemy. Most marines I assume in this game will just run and gun for a good duration when it's released, but what can you do. They'll die.

But the ones that sit back and say to themselves, "Hey, this predator up in the trees keeps on sniping me. Why don't I stay away from open areas where he can line up good shots?" Those are the guys that will be successful. Now the predator is sitting up there for ages waiting for a marine target. He will probably get impatient and go down for some melee kills. Motion tracker spots him, shotgun him down when he gets close. Now I know predators will probably be hard to take down as marines, but it can be done.

So sum up all of this rambling, keep your wits about you, play your own game on your own terms at every opportunity, know your enemy, know the map, know what tools you have and probably what the enemy has / will use, and keep your aim steady. To all the marine players out there, we can get through this!
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On to other things, I'm really looking forward to Infestation the most besides classic deathmatch. I loved Infection in Halo 3 and I have 100% confidence that this game mode for AVP will be a total blast to play. If Rebellion can nail down the multiplayer maps, you can be sure that I'll be logging some serious hours onto this game. The look and feel of what we've seen so far from Aliens: Colonial Marines would be nice as a map. Also, I would love a map set in space!

Survivor will be great, no worries about that.

Hunt, I'm not really confident about. It's good in theory, but is it like Juggernaut in Halo 3? If it is, then it will be a terrible gametype in my opinion. I'll have to approach this gametype cautiously. I hope I am pleasantly surprised though.

Deathmatch, this is where the game will really shine. This (http://www.1up.com/media/03/7/6/5/lg/852.jpg) screenshot got me so pumped for deathmatch. If a picture speaks a thousand words, this screenshot speaks ten thousand. Put yourself into the boots of the marine we see through and then press the play button. Can you even begin to imagine what could happen in this scene? Epic. The action would be fast, visceral, gory, and thrilling. That sounds like the kind of game I want to play.
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I can't wait until we see actual matches from start to finish of all three species. Throw in some commentary from someone who knows what they're talking about and that would be a tantalizing and taunting treat. The anticipation is killing me right now. February is just so far away.

I'm waiting to see:

1.) The maps
2.) Game physics
3.) Customization
4.) Weapons
5.) Health system usage and feel
6.) General feel of the game
7.) Perspective of the alien
8.) How many times marines are the victims of predators / aliens
9.) Alien and a predator going at it
10.) The other 3 game modes

It's going to be so satisfying shotgunning a predator in the chest at point blank when he still has his cloak enabled. Go marines!
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Long post short: I love AVP. Things should balance out. I can't wait for the final product!

;D

Ilk stick too pred hunt haha.In the trailer in that video i saw that predators are able too see other preds in human vision mode which i like it.It will make pred gameplay easier when all 3 species fight cause i can switch fast too the correct vision mode.Not like in avp2 where till i get too switch too alien vision il most likely be stuned and 25% too survive.I like they removed that overpowered stun off aliens.Also i like how that pred lifted the alien just saying see u little hunter thats how u kill an alien xD.I saw the combi at 3:17 and 3:18 cool.Disc is ok.Cant wait too get the demo and at least more gameplays and a new pred one

The Deathmatch mode will be the most played, as always, and you cant expect marines to rely on numbers right there. Maybe in the other modes like co-op camping and infestation. So if you gonna slap someone - slap someone at Rebellion.

Meh, I'm a little skeptical about the recharge points that the pred needs to find, why not retain the charge emitter from avp2??? Sure, I'm all about the melee combat for preds but it sounds like preds these days are too reliant on ranged weaponry instead of being experts on all forms of combat, the first avp movie made a prime example of that, seeing as the alpha pred/celtic pred/ heavy pred managed to get pinned by a drone and fail miserably in fighting back. I'm also disappointed in the lack of classes available to each race; the heavy pred was awesome from avp2 despite the fact that he was the slowest thing in the game and had the same damage output as a light pred, defense only made a difference against weapons like pulse rifles and shotties as well as claws and pounce, but against sniper rifles most of the time youd get killed in one shot unless you got lucky, and the queens tail was utterly ridiculous for heavy preds...

For multiplayer, I'm guessing for the marines you have about 18 player avatar choices to choose from.

Female / White / Helmet
Female / White / Helmet 2
Female / White / No Helmet
Female / White / No Helmet 2

Male / White / Helmet
Male / White / Helmet 2
Male / White / Helmet 3
Male / White / No Helmet
Male / White / No Helmet 2
Male / White / No Helmet 3
Male / White / No Helmet 4
Male / White / No Helmet 5

Male / Colored / Helmet
Male / Colored / Helmet 2
Male / Colored / No Helmet
Male / Colored / No Helmet 2
Male / Colored / No Helmet 3
Male / Colored / No Helmet 4

Sorry if "colored" was a bit too bold, but some of the marines looked of African descent / hispanic / etc.

Thoughts?

While a few of the articles mention the marines are underpowered we have to remember that they weren't given the entire Marine arsenal during their preview.

Added the first cam footage (1:35 min).

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 27, 2009, 09:43:19 PM
Added the first cam footage (1:35 min).

Sweet!

 Wow... check out the preds mask when he lifts the alien up for a trophy kill at 0:32

Pretty intense looking.

"Edit" Strange I just rewatched the video pausing it frame by frame on the Predator and right as he swings at the alien his Mask comes off, Did the alien knock it off? did it glitch out?

which bit is that?

The first time the alien turned upside down at 0:18, I was like "Woooooah."  ;D

The insta-kill move from behind looks like it could be extremely cheap.

There definitely needs to be a TDM mode that allows 3 teams to go at it (each ream representing a species).

just modes based on two teams is gonna get boring.

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 27, 2009, 09:43:19 PM
Added the first cam footage (1:35 min).

One alien killed a pred an the player-alien in 3 seconds lol

this one you're talking about?



that Pred has a totally new mask.

Quote from: xenomorph110 on Oct 27, 2009, 02:17:43 PM
me to I'm sticking with my xbox a few of my friends are getting it we could make clan you can join if you want G8RSG1.

yeahh me to

Quote from: affinity on Oct 27, 2009, 10:13:34 PM
this one you're talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfS_saJ4Fbo

that Pred has a totally new mask.

woah awful player n00b

The player sucks. He didn't kill anyone.

Quote from: XxecutionerxX on Oct 27, 2009, 10:48:22 PM
The player sucks. He didn't kill anyone.

they were cool enough to show the alien movement, and a new Predator mask in their face.    ;D

I want to see alien headbiting pred or marine footage. Sorry for being desperate.

Woot, predator spear and disc confirmed. And you can actually attack with the spear point facing outward. The trailer they showed looks f**king intense, can't wait for a HQ version.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 27, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
Woot, predator spear and disc confirmed. And you can actually attack with the spear point facing outward. The trailer they showed looks f**king intense, can't wait for a HQ version.

Don't expect it to be released.

Obviously the video they showed isn't something they've officially released so of course we're going to have to wait for more video coverage.

I like the new Pred mask.

Quote from: XxecutionerxX on Oct 27, 2009, 10:48:22 PM
The player sucks. He didn't kill anyone.

There were two predators. He killed the first, and the second trophy killed him.

Then he was killed by other Aliens.

Twice.

Another preview added, this time from GamePro.

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 28, 2009, 12:06:02 AM
Another preview added, this time from GamePro.

hmm.. sounds like the aliens overpowerd if you get behide someone you stealth kill instantly which is lame but them saying the marine is weak just breaks my heart which is true in a way but i doubt the guy playing marines was any good i mean come on his got all that equipment long range and motion tracker how could you die -.-

also may not have had time to get to the equipment. He starts with a pulse rifle and pistol. The predators started with all their weapons.

The predators also have insta kill stealth kills.

Dammit youtubes Down!!! >:( >:( :(

Insofar as Marines and Aliens are concerned, the Marine shouldn't just be waltzing around, but actively checking areas that are good hiding places.

The auto-jumping shown in a Predator preview I saw sounds and looks like a awful idea. I mean aiming to a certain place then jumping takes the skills out of the game..

Love Predator new mask!

Quote from: Redlightning on Oct 27, 2009, 12:19:48 AM
You mean the Marines right?  They're going to be like a standard shooter compared to the other two species.

no, from what i read, the test players said it was really easy to get a lot of quick kills with the alien when everyone in the game was essentially a nub

the marine seemed a lot weaker compared to the other species, so the marine was hard to play in that sense

and all the predator tech was a bit "overwhelming" to handle

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 27, 2009, 09:50:34 PM
Wow... check out the preds mask when he lifts the alien up for a trophy kill at 0:32

Pretty intense looking.

"Edit" Strange I just rewatched the video pausing it frame by frame on the Predator and right as he swings at the alien his Mask comes off, Did the alien knock it off? did it glitch out?

yeah, it glitched out.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 27, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
Woot, predator spear and disc confirmed. And you can actually attack with the spear point facing outward. The trailer they showed looks f**king intense, can't wait for a HQ version.

where did you see combistick confirmation?

If you watch that video they showed in the 360gamer video there is a point near the end where you see a disc being thrown and where you see a downed alien being killed by a spear. The disc looked a bit different, it was thrown to fast to see but it looked like the edges were pointy and sharp.

EDIT: Here's the disc & spear. Guess the edges that I saw were just the wristblades.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy209%2FRainbow_Germ%2FAVP3DISC.jpg&hash=94a6493f9445b0847083082d165ffad898e8e6f2)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi6.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy209%2FRainbow_Germ%2FAVP3spear.jpg&hash=942bdf7aef27ee2e7edafac8f15874033eb6451d)

Hope it's not a shuriken.

looks like you can't film at the expo. Looks like we won't see much recorded footage.

Quote from: Sylizar on Oct 27, 2009, 11:35:25 PM
I like the new Predator mask.

No offense, but that mask looks really ugly, So I won't be using it.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 28, 2009, 01:04:57 AM
If you watch that video they showed in the 360gamer video there is a point near the end where you see a disc being thrown and where you see a downed alien being killed by a spear. The disc looked a bit different, it was thrown to fast to see but it looked like the edges were pointy and sharp.

EDIT: Here's the disc & spear. Guess the edges that I saw were just the wristblades.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3DISC.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3spear.jpg

wow dude thanks.

That disc concept is the pred 2 concept. However i wouldnt be surprised if there is an option for disc or shuriken. I'm thinking that acheivements you pull off in SP and MP go towards unlocking skins and such for MP....just a hunch.

and f**k YES!!! the COMBI STICK!!! my favorite weapon in avp2. Hopefully it'll provide extreme usefulness.

Quote from: shatrack on Oct 28, 2009, 01:19:53 AM

Quote from: Sylizar on Oct 27, 2009, 11:35:25 PM
I like the new Predator mask.

No offense, but that mask looks really ugly, So I won't be using it.

agreed, if i use a mask it would look like the one used by wolf in avp: r. or better yet, the mask that was used for concrete jungle, that entire concrete jungle skin is extremely badass. Celtic mask FTW!!!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fxbox%2Fimage%2Farticle%2F538%2F538968%2Fthe-predators-arsenal-20040813062933468.jpg&hash=5acefa9b3dc5fb93abb5296af3a1744c74546169)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msxbox-world.com%2Fassets%2Fxbox%2Fscreenshots%2F%2FPredator_Concrete_Jungle%2F13.jpg&hash=7efced26ed8128a88131719e1e37fa487a1651b4)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fxbox%2Fimage%2Farticle%2F538%2F538968%2Fthe-predators-arsenal-20040813062935358.jpg&hash=46bbff14734a0e8df5e9cd8a953ac3f76c4a70ee)

IMO the celtic predator mask, is THE  best mask design. Gill's mask in AVP1 is THE worst mask design.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 28, 2009, 01:04:57 AM
If you watch that video they showed in the 360gamer video there is a point near the end where you see a disc being thrown and where you see a downed alien being killed by a spear. The disc looked a bit different, it was thrown to fast to see but it looked like the edges were pointy and sharp.

EDIT: Here's the disc & spear. Guess the edges that I saw were just the wristblades.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3DISC.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3spear.jpg

Wow those predator hands look A LOT better than what we've seen before. less stubby fingers.

I don't know. The more previews I read the more it sounds like there are some pretty iffy issues going on with the game. Framerate issues, art that looks like placeholder, poor balancing.  I hope Rebellion can hammer these issues out by February.

Quote from: newbeing on Oct 28, 2009, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 28, 2009, 01:04:57 AM
If you watch that video they showed in the 360gamer video there is a point near the end where you see a disc being thrown and where you see a downed alien being killed by a spear. The disc looked a bit different, it was thrown to fast to see but it looked like the edges were pointy and sharp.

EDIT: Here's the disc & spear. Guess the edges that I saw were just the wristblades.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3DISC.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3spear.jpg

Wow those predator hands look A LOT better than what we've seen before. less stubby fingers.

I think it might be because of a different skin that he/she is using?

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 28, 2009, 12:54:51 AM

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 27, 2009, 09:50:34 PM
Wow... check out the preds mask when he lifts the alien up for a trophy kill at 0:32

Pretty intense looking.

"Edit" Strange I just rewatched the video pausing it frame by frame on the Predator and right as he swings at the alien his Mask comes off, Did the alien knock it off? did it glitch out?

yeah, it glitched out.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 27, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
Woot, predator spear and disc confirmed. And you can actually attack with the spear point facing outward. The trailer they showed looks f**king intense, can't wait for a HQ version.

where did you see combistick confirmation?

I think it's possible that the acid damage knocked it off.

Edit: Yeah... I think it was knocked off. The pred recoils.

Quote from: shatrack on Oct 28, 2009, 01:48:43 AM

Quote from: newbeing on Oct 28, 2009, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 28, 2009, 01:04:57 AM
If you watch that video they showed in the 360gamer video there is a point near the end where you see a disc being thrown and where you see a downed alien being killed by a spear. The disc looked a bit different, it was thrown to fast to see but it looked like the edges were pointy and sharp.

EDIT: Here's the disc & spear. Guess the edges that I saw were just the wristblades.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3DISC.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3spear.jpg

Wow those predator hands look A LOT better than what we've seen before. less stubby fingers.

I think it might be because of a different skin that he/she is using?

If it is that should be the default.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 27, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
Woot, predator spear and disc confirmed. And you can actually attack with the spear point facing outward. The trailer they showed looks f**king intense, can't wait for a HQ version.

Its the lovely avp spear ^_^ but the disc looks like a mix of shuriken and p2 disc

Gamespy's preview added.

Quote from: newbeing on Oct 28, 2009, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 28, 2009, 01:04:57 AM
If you watch that video they showed in the 360gamer video there is a point near the end where you see a disc being thrown and where you see a downed alien being killed by a spear. The disc looked a bit different, it was thrown to fast to see but it looked like the edges were pointy and sharp.

EDIT: Here's the disc & spear. Guess the edges that I saw were just the wristblades.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3DISC.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Rainbow_Germ/AVP3spear.jpg

Wow those predator hands look A LOT better than what we've seen before. less stubby fingers.

I don't know. The more previews I read the more it sounds like there are some pretty iffy issues going on with the game. Framerate issues, art that looks like placeholder, poor balancing.  I hope Rebellion can hammer these issues out by February.

Im afraid this might be slow-paced due to the balancing. there wasnt much action going on in the video  :-\ :-\

Quote from: randy4321 on Oct 28, 2009, 02:17:05 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 27, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
Woot, predator spear and disc confirmed. And you can actually attack with the spear point facing outward. The trailer they showed looks f**king intense, can't wait for a HQ version.

Its the lovely avp spear ^_^ but the disc looks like a mix of shuriken and p2 disc

Nope. as made clear by the stills, the "teeth" we thought were on the disc are actually the predators wrist blades in the background.

Another very short video added.

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 28, 2009, 02:25:46 AM

Quote from: randy4321 on Oct 28, 2009, 02:17:05 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 27, 2009, 11:11:41 PM
Woot, predator spear and disc confirmed. And you can actually attack with the spear point facing outward. The trailer they showed looks f**king intense, can't wait for a HQ version.

Its the lovely avp spear ^_^ but the disc looks like a mix of shuriken and p2 disc

Nope. as made clear by the stills, the "teeth" we thought were on the disc are actually the predators wrist blades in the background.

noo those are teeth on the disc look u can see em.

not nearly as long as the shuriken's. It is still VERY P2.

Quote from: randy4321 on Oct 28, 2009, 02:23:31 AM

Quote from: newbeing on Oct 28, 2009, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 28, 2009, 01:04:57 AM

Im afraid this might be slow-paced due to the balancing. there wasnt much action going on in the video  :-\ :-\

there was only 3-4 players in that video!    We have yet to see 18 players in action!    

Besides slow paced is good because in the movies, the action was intense but slow paced in how it flows.    This isn't Left 4 Dead lol.    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrqSCn0sBPw

I was really excited to see the marine's death by alien in first person view... Lame. Thanks for the vid anyway.

From GameSpy:

QuoteOr Alien spittle can melt the flesh from your bones. (in the game)

.. Acid spit? Or is he just confused by the blood?

blood i'm sure.

Thats what I'm thinking too. Strange choice of words though.

Probably just trying to be clever with linguistics. At any rate I wish the video didn't have that insane blob in the middle of the screen in the entire time.

I'm starting to get tierd of this cam footage cant we get some bloody HD videos or somthing lol ;P nice 37sec cam video on marine even tho we didnt see nothing xD

Quote from: Eidotemit on Oct 28, 2009, 02:41:13 AM
From GameSpy:

QuoteOr Alien spittle can melt the flesh from your bones. (in the game)

.. Acid spit? Or is he just confused by the blood?

google searched Spittle and this is what I got
Spitting or expectoration is the act of forcibly ejecting saliva or other substances from the mouth
and Spit

you had to look up "spittle"? really?

He was just being playful with his wording. It's been said several times that the aliens don't have any long ranged attacks, they use claws, jaws, and tail. It's acid blood.

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 28, 2009, 01:21:33 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fxbox%2Fimage%2Farticle%2F538%2F538968%2Fthe-predators-arsenal-20040813062933468.jpg&hash=5acefa9b3dc5fb93abb5296af3a1744c74546169)

wish that picture were bigger...I think against an alien the predator should use a spear weapon like the second one from the left, something with a long slashing edge

I wonder if you'll be able to throw your spear? From the short video it certainly looks like you can use it as an effective melee weapon. Can't wait to see the spear executions.

Quote from: happypred on Oct 28, 2009, 02:55:37 AM

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 28, 2009, 01:21:33 AM(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxboxmedia.ign.com%2Fxbox%2Fimage%2Farticle%2F538%2F538968%2Fthe-predators-arsenal-20040813062933468.jpg&hash=5acefa9b3dc5fb93abb5296af3a1744c74546169)

wish that picture were bigger...I think against an alien the predator should use a spear weapon like the second one from the left, something with a long slashing edge

I beat that game on hardcore, that weapon you speak of is known as the Glaive, the combistick is the weapon on the left and right of that (they are combistick upgrades, the final upgrade is the first one on the left, the skull one is second, and the pred on the far right is holding the 1st combi you get). The combi is used for wide sweeping blows, more of a blunt weapon, THAT is the best weapon for aliens, you knock them on their ass without acid blood. No wristblades, Combistick, smartdisc (or EMP/sound mines), is the best combo in that game, for aliens. The Glaive is for slicing and dicing, works on everyone else wonderfully, except for the aliens, you get a acid blood bath. The most powerful weapon is the maul, thats the weapon in the pred's left hand where he's holding the shuriken in his right. The thing's a beast.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 28, 2009, 02:56:51 AM
I wonder if you'll be able to throw your spear? From the short video it certainly looks like you can use it as an effective melee weapon. Can't wait to see the spear executions.

I highly doubt we could throw the spear, if we can, I might just jizz in my pants. However, there has been NO talk of the netgun....what's going on with that?

I guess to them the netgun would be unbalanced.   ;D


Seriously,  if only FPS developers these days had the courage to make a realistic AVP survival game simulator instead of a balanced arcadey game.  :p

> Realistic
> AvP

:D

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 28, 2009, 03:20:43 AMI beat that game on hardcore, that weapon you speak of is known as the Glaive, the combistick is the weapon on the left and right of that (they are combistick upgrades, the final upgrade is the first one on the left, the skull one is second, and the pred on the far right is holding the 1st combi you get). The combi is used for wide sweeping blows, more of a blunt weapon, THAT is the best weapon for aliens, you knock them on their ass without acid blood. No wristblades, Combistick, smartdisc (or EMP/sound mines), is the best combo in that game, for aliens. The Glaive is for slicing and dicing, works on everyone else wonderfully, except for the aliens, you get a acid blood bath. The most powerful weapon is the maul, thats the weapon in the pred's left hand where he's holding the shuriken in his right. The thing's a beast.

I'm sure what you say is true for the game, as a game mechanic I'm sure it's great
but outside the game I don't think whacking aliens with a rod would be very effective, in fact it would be suicidal
in "real life" I think it would be important for the predator to kill or disable the alien as swiftly as possible
severing the neck or head is probably the safest way to go (like what Scar did to the alien trying to sneak up on him)
the predator can try to avoid acid splash by leaping in and out for strikes with the glaive which has decent reach, in addition the predator's armour though only partial is usually acid proof (AvP1 being the exception)

"Unless you're in large, coordinated groups, Marines are pretty much just walking hamburgers to the more elusive and threatening Aliens and Predators."

...yeah.

Quote from: happypred on Oct 28, 2009, 05:02:30 AM

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 28, 2009, 03:20:43 AMI beat that game on hardcore, that weapon you speak of is known as the Glaive, the combistick is the weapon on the left and right of that (they are combistick upgrades, the final upgrade is the first one on the left, the skull one is second, and the pred on the far right is holding the 1st combi you get). The combi is used for wide sweeping blows, more of a blunt weapon, THAT is the best weapon for aliens, you knock them on their ass without acid blood. No wristblades, Combistick, smartdisc (or EMP/sound mines), is the best combo in that game, for aliens. The Glaive is for slicing and dicing, works on everyone else wonderfully, except for the aliens, you get a acid blood bath. The most powerful weapon is the maul, thats the weapon in the pred's left hand where he's holding the shuriken in his right. The thing's a beast.

I'm sure what you say is true for the game, as a game mechanic I'm sure it's great
but outside the game I don't think whacking aliens with a rod would be very effective, in fact it would be suicidal
in "real life" I think it would be important for the predator to kill or disable the alien as swiftly as possible
severing the neck or head is probably the safest way to go (like what Scar did to the alien trying to sneak up on him)
the predator can try to avoid acid splash by leaping in and out for strikes with the glaive which has decent reach, in addition the predator's armour though only partial is usually acid proof (AvP1 being the exception)

agreed. especially about the armor, avp1 can slop on my knob, that pissed me off....

anyway, yeah that's just how the game worked. basically crushed their skulls with combi's blunt attacks. but anyway, can't wait for some more avp footage. i still think a demo would be available around xmas. call it a spidey sense.

Epicness....Epicness indeed!!!!!

Imo most of the preview shows that avp3 can live up to its potential as one of the game thats most faithful to the franchise while offering players an intense gaming experience.

On the otherhand i just don't get it why those guys in the gaming magazine are frontin about getting wtf ripped to shreds when stealth kill. This happaned in any video game and i bet those guys also hail TF2 as one of the most balanced multiplayer experience evah when any spy, heavy, pyro and scout could literally achieve the same thing. Hell even somebody with a flimsy (lets compare it to...avp standards) combat knife can murk someone with one strokes when that n00b is too busy staring down his scope in COD4. So why is it so hard for them to comprehend outerspace monsters with inhuman strength, razor sharp claws and equally sharp objects (wrist blade etc) to do the same thing.  :-\ . It also help foster teamwork within each group with people covering each other, not due to the fact of role playing but necessity. From personal experience, marine gameplay is hell a lot funner when every dude in the team roll together then every individual wanker wondering off getting frag of fragged. Stealth maybe powerful but its also a one trick pony. By the time those marine player learns to straft circle around the aliens, watch each other's back, looping grenades together then getting hold of smartguns that auto track and kill anything that moves, it will be people complaining about the marines being overpowered more so then the other species.

Aliens and predators needed their stealth, powerful melee and speed. If they don't have that then the game should simply be rename USCMC: Targetting simulator. Besides who the hell wanted aliens and preds to throw nappy head crackbaby melee attacks anyway. We want them to hurt thanks.

well said :)

Those are some good points. As it is, the Predators and Aliens are capable of taking out each other in very few hits, and a human/marine can basically die from a single swipe of an Alien or Predator....we even saw just that happening in the Predator and alien movies multiple times.

No idea where you're getting those numbers from.

Aliens seem to have less health than Marines, for instance.

Quote from: out-at-night-mostly on Oct 28, 2009, 10:58:32 AM
Epicness....Epicness indeed!!!!!

Imo most of the preview shows that avp3 can live up to its potential as one of the game thats most faithful to the franchise while offering players an intense gaming experience.

On the otherhand i just don't get it why those guys in the gaming magazine are frontin about getting wtf ripped to shreds when stealth kill. This happaned in any video game and i bet those guys also hail TF2 as one of the most balanced multiplayer experience evah when any spy, heavy, pyro and scout could literally achieve the same thing. Hell even somebody with a flimsy (lets compare it to...avp standards) combat knife can murk someone with one strokes when that n00b is too busy staring down his scope in COD4. So why is it so hard for them to comprehend outerspace monsters with inhuman strength, razor sharp claws and equally sharp objects (wrist blade etc) to do the same thing.  :-\ . It also help foster teamwork within each group with people covering each other, not due to the fact of role playing but necessity. From personal experience, marine gameplay is hell a lot funner when every dude in the team roll together then every individual wanker wondering off getting frag of fragged. Stealth maybe powerful but its also a one trick pony. By the time those marine player learns to straft circle around the aliens, watch each other's back, looping grenades together then getting hold of smartguns that auto track and kill anything that moves, it will be people complaining about the marines being overpowered more so then the other species.

Aliens and predators needed their stealth, powerful melee and speed. If they don't have that then the game should simply be rename USCMC: Targetting simulator. Besides who the hell wanted aliens and preds to throw nappy head crackbaby melee attacks anyway. We want them to hurt thanks.

Holy crap dude, I could hardly understand any of that.

I dont think Marines are soooo f**ked in the retail version, they didnt have all weapons in ths build

Smartgun anyone ? its a tracking weapon that was very powerfull in AvP 1 and 2  and in some interview i read that they will put in sentry guns to

I hope they release a MP Beta to test things out for a smooth release

Quote from: AMC_Duke on Oct 28, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
I dont think Marines are soooo f**ked in the retail version, they didnt have all weapons in ths build

Smartgun anyone ? its a tracking weapon that was very powerfull in AvP 1 and 2  and in some interview i read that they will put in sentry guns to

I hope they release a MP Beta to test things out for a smooth release

One of the interviews made it sound like the Smartgun is a pretty bad ass weapon. Not that it wasn't before of course. :P

   Dont like the radar on the hud should be modelled and attached to your waist so you have to look down to see it.   HUDS are dead!  realism is whats rocking these new gen games.
   Sentry guns!  Oh thats sweet!!!  gonna be good times on that alien hunt game mode.
Best way to test the games gameplay is to do humans vs humans only.  The humans dont have iron sights for their weapons?

Quote from: G8RSG1 on Oct 28, 2009, 02:28:18 PM

Quote from: AMC_Duke on Oct 28, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
I dont think Marines are soooo f**ked in the retail version, they didnt have all weapons in ths build

Smartgun anyone ? its a tracking weapon that was very powerfull in AvP 1 and 2  and in some interview i read that they will put in sentry guns to

I hope they release a MP Beta to test things out for a smooth release

One of the interviews made it sound like the Smartgun is a pretty bad ass weapon. Not that it wasn't before of course. :P

Actually the smartgun sucked big time in the previous games, it was only wasting ammo without killing shit... and only the noobs were using it

Quote from: LARGE on Oct 28, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
Actually the smartgun sucked big time in the previous games, it was only wasting ammo without killing shit... and only the noobs were using it

actually, smartguns were very effective against cloacked preds, since they couldnt run and kill you as fast as an alien that forced them to use their range weapons, decloacking them and bringin the fire of all marines nearby on them.

Quote from: Yutani on Oct 26, 2009, 07:25:49 PM

Quote from: Brother on Oct 26, 2009, 07:05:20 PM
10 reviews and only one said the aliens are overpowered. Like I said before the interviewers look at things different and I'm sure they have their favorites. Some even confirmed the "uber pred" theory.

The previews talk about the pred being uber against marines, coz they can cloak (even if they must decloak after every attack). Thats all. The cloak thing its useless agains Aliens. The plasma caster needs 3 seconds to lock a target, and aliens speed is impressive.

Sounds like rock paper scissors.  8)

Took some screenies but Galaxy isnt letting me post em. Ones of the new mask, the others of the maskless pred. Look alike like P1.  ;D Anywho, here are the links. Enjoy. BTW, HATE the new mask.

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/facelessavp3.png/ (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/facelessavp3.png/)

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/predscreenavp3.png/ (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/predscreenavp3.png/)

Yuck. Looks like the boss monster from Krull.

Hicks just arrived from Eurogamer. Plenty of new videos and our preview are coming up soon :D

That is great news. I look farword to the Videos.

soon being today?

Lol.

Videos will be up tonight (UK tonight), hopefully I'll complete and send the article off at some point tonight too. If not, tomorrow night as back at work tomorrow morning.

Was awesome.  ;D

"Let's get excited, we just can't hide it, I'm about to lose control and I think I like it, I'm so excited and I just can't hide it, I know I know I know I know I know I want you, I want you!"

lol gurl! Let's dance it out, come on.

We shouldn't even think about tomorrow
Sweet memories will last for long, long time
We'll have a good time, baby
Don't you worry
And if we're still playing' around boy
That's just fine
Let's get excited, ooh
We just can't hide it, no, no, no
I'm about to lose control and I think I like it

Quote from: Aeus on Oct 28, 2009, 07:09:50 PM
"Let's get excited, we just can't hide it, I'm about to lose control and I think I like it, I'm so excited and I just can't hide it, I know I know I know I know I know I want you, I want you!"

So it was fun Hicks?

Quote from: Sexy Poot on Oct 28, 2009, 05:31:59 PM
Took some screenies but Galaxy isnt letting me post em. Ones of the new mask, the others of the maskless pred. Look alike like P1.  ;D Anywho, here are the links. Enjoy. BTW, HATE the new mask.

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/facelessavp3.png/ (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/facelessavp3.png/)

http://img405.imageshack.us/i/predscreenavp3.png/ (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/predscreenavp3.png/)

Celtic Mask FTW

Another Alien MP Gameplay  8)

Quote from: yaji on Oct 28, 2009, 09:28:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCd-SDkqISE

Another Alien MP Gameplay  8)

Yep it's the AvPGalaxy footage, Hicks is uploading it already!

wow.... did you see him grab the other Aliens tail...wow
im speech-less

Jesus, you spotted that quickly. Yeah that's me. Just uploading more.



Marine footage 1.

The environment looks very nice in the alien one.

lol, what can i say... im a Nerd when it comes to Aliens and Predator, or gaming.... infact im just a Nerd. ;D

Haha, I love everyone going THE TAIL!!!

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 28, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
http://img405.imageshack.us/i/predscreenavp3.png/ (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/predscreenavp3.png/)

Aside from the standard Predator mask, that was the only other Predator skin that was available at the Expo.

Quote from: GrimyGhost on Oct 28, 2009, 09:35:58 PM
lol, what can i say... im a Nerd when it comes to Aliens and Predator, or gaming.... infact im just a Nerd. ;D

I was referring to yaji.

Not uploading anymore videos for a few minutes. Uploading photos at the moment.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:34:38 PM
Jesus, you spotted that quickly. Yeah that's me. Just uploading more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQxF8h9Kgg

Marine footage 1.

Did i saw the scarface aka grid alien ? Because i thing i saw one!

Mhm It looked like it.

yep thats grid

Indeed. I saw 3 Alien skins. Grid, standard drone and Praetorian (original AvP99 style).

i just wish they would givev us some HD vids, still this is great Hicks...
you deserve a nice big Choc-Chip Cookie. ;)

Quote from: yaji on Oct 28, 2009, 09:28:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCd-SDkqISE

Another Alien MP Gameplay  8)

Two hits with the claws and the pred its dead in less than 2 seconds. Nice.
The alien making a trophy-kill agains other alien haha!

Would be nice if it was not a skin at all! If u survived a net attack from the pred maybe u can look like that ;D (if its in the game)

Corporal Hicks videos aren't working for me :( .   

Other youtube videos are, just not his?

Quote from: Xeno dude on Oct 28, 2009, 09:46:52 PM
Would be nice if it was not a skin at all! If u survived a net attack from the pred maybe u can look like that ;D (if its in the game)

It's a skin.

Quote from: Yutani on Oct 28, 2009, 09:46:24 PM
Two hits with the claws and the pred its dead in less than 2 seconds. Nice.
The alien making a trophy-kill agains other alien haha!

I saw a marine take out a Predator with a headshot, it's in one of my vids I think. They're not overpowered in terms of health. Probably only takes about 30 rounds, 3 shots from another Pred's shoulder cannon.

works fine with me, watched em both 2 times now..

I cant see the marine vid  :-\ The alien one its working btw

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:50:19 PM

Quote from: Xeno dude on Oct 28, 2009, 09:46:52 PM
Would be nice if it was not a skin at all! If u survived a net attack from the pred maybe u can look like that ;D (if its in the game)

It's a skin.

Quote from: Yutani on Oct 28, 2009, 09:46:24 PM
Two hits with the claws and the pred its dead in less than 2 seconds. Nice.
The alien making a trophy-kill agains other alien haha!

I saw a marine take out a Predator with a headshot, it's in one of my vids I think. They're not overpowered in terms of health. Probably only takes about 30 rounds, 3 shots from another Pred's shoulder cannon.

I know its a skin, i just stated that it would be cool if u could get it by a net attack.

Hicks, how was it? was it smooth< (fps) any buggs while playing? does it fill near completion?
Were my eyes telling Lies or was the flashlight casting dynamic shadows?

Was amazing. Really enjoyed it. Just wish it'd have been 360. The PS3 controller felt so wrong to me. No bugs that I saw. The network of the expo did fail 3 times, I think which effected AvP and Mag and there were no issues with the demo itself.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:59:31 PM
Was amazing. Really enjoyed it. Just wish it'd have been 360. The PS3 controller felt so wrong to me. No bugs that I saw. The network of the expo did fail 3 times, I think which effected AvP and Mag and there were no issues with the demo itself.

Good to hear, ill be going for PC myself.

Awesome vids, Hicks. Keep 'em comin'. However, the loading time takes ages.. oh well, 4 gigs of RAM should do the trick. I pray they don't screw up the PC version.

So hicks how many claw attack/ tail attacks does it take to kill a predator as an alien? Also vice versa for a predator with wristblades/combi?

Hicks, was the Marines under powered? Or Did they put up a fight?

Quote from: Corporal Lewis Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:10:30 PM
Hicks, was the Marines under powered? Or Did they put up a fight?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:41:16 PM

Quote from: XxecutionerxX on Oct 27, 2009, 12:41:24 AM
Well I'm more interested on knowing if the Marines can win a match. Reading the previews, I'm having doubts of the marine's capabilities.

They've got cool tech. As long as you can aim, you wont go wrong with the pulse rifle. Headshots put enemies down pretty fast.

Quote from: Chaotic-Strike on Oct 28, 2009, 10:05:27 PM
So hicks how many claw attack/ tail attacks does it take to kill a predator as an alien? Also vice versa for a predator with wristblades/combi?

Quote from: Yutani on Oct 28, 2009, 09:46:24 PM

Quote from: yaji on Oct 28, 2009, 09:28:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCd-SDkqISE

Another Alien MP Gameplay  8)

Two hits with the claws and the pred its dead in less than 2 seconds. Nice.
The alien making a trophy-kill agains other alien haha!

Wow with those instant kills are dangerous and thinking of the camping also it's gonna be very hard to kill aliens and preds when marine the marine is so underpowerd by the looks of it lol ;P must be hard to play on a controller this game is seriously gonna be easy on pc :) nice videos xD

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:13:10 PM

Quote from: Corporal Lewis Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:10:30 PM
Hicks, was the Marines under powered? Or Did they put up a fight?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:41:16 PM

Quote from: XxecutionerxX on Oct 27, 2009, 12:41:24 AM
Well I'm more interested on knowing if the Marines can win a match. Reading the previews, I'm having doubts of the marine's capabilities.

They've got cool tech. As long as you can aim, you wont go wrong with the pulse rifle. Headshots put enemies down pretty fast.

Quote from: Chaotic-Strike on Oct 28, 2009, 10:05:27 PM
So hicks how many claw attack/ tail attacks does it take to kill a predator as an alien? Also vice versa for a predator with wristblades/combi?

Quote from: Yutani on Oct 28, 2009, 09:46:24 PM

Quote from: yaji on Oct 28, 2009, 09:28:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCd-SDkqISE

Another Alien MP Gameplay  8)

Two hits with the claws and the pred its dead in less than 2 seconds. Nice.
The alien making a trophy-kill agains other alien haha!

Ok thanks thought that pred was weak as it looked like he just got out of a fight from another pred.

Did you get to play as all three species Hicks?

Also did the game play well using the controller? Was it easy to switch over from a mouse and keyboard?

I played as Alien (I sucked) and Marine (came 2nd or 3rd). It was a PS3 which have never touched in my life so I didn't know the controller which did hinder me somewhat. I expect if it had been 360 I would have been far more comfortable using it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:59:31 PM
Was amazing. Really enjoyed it. Just wish it'd have been 360. The PS3 controller felt so wrong to me. No bugs that I saw. The network of the expo did fail 3 times, I think which effected AvP and Mag and there were no issues with the demo itself.

How was the gameplay hicks? was it fluid and action packed or slow, dragging and broken? which one do u prefer? and how does the attacking system work for each species and weapons?

Very fluid and very fast paced. I prefer Marine. I'm doing an article which'll hopefully be online some point tomorrow. All the info will be in there.

And another one... Just an epic battle  :o

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=238

All vids and pics online. Enjoy.

Nice battle agains that alien...i loved when the marine see one xeno running from the distance (just one second), and shoot by instinct

There is a rank system ;o I love this game already. LVL UP!

Any news on dedicated servers ?

Quote from: Puks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:01:08 PM
Awesome vids, Hicks. Keep 'em comin'. However, the loading time takes ages.. oh well, 4 gigs of RAM should do the trick. I pray they don't screw up the PC version.

No dedictated server software... Looks like they just did.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/10/dedicated-servers-not-likely-for-aliens-vs-predator-either/

Game over man, game over.

Quote from: Deigs on Oct 28, 2009, 10:45:53 PM

Quote from: Puks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:01:08 PM
Awesome vids, Hicks. Keep 'em comin'. However, the loading time takes ages.. oh well, 4 gigs of RAM should do the trick. I pray they don't screw up the PC version.

No dedictated server software... Looks like they just did.

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/10/dedicated-servers-not-likely-for-aliens-vs-predator-either/

Game over man, game over.

Weve just lost the game.

Thanks for the info and videos Hicks.

Quote from: frostedone on Oct 28, 2009, 10:53:24 PM
Thanks for the info and videos Hicks.

Yeah thanks you did a good job cheers :)

Thanks for posting all this Hicks, really good stuff.

Looks like medkits can be stacked?

Indeed, thank you Hicks.

In the predator gameplay vid, it looked like the predator had wristblades and the disk armed at the same time.  Anyone else see that?  If this is the case, it's about time.  I always liked that feature in Concrete Jungle.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 28, 2009, 11:08:22 PM
Looks like medkits can be stacked?

I think it works just like in FEAR and FEAR2. You can heal yourself when you want.  If you are fast enough.

 Thank you for all the videos Hicks, always love new footage.

I agree it does suck that we most likely won't get the dedicated servers but I don't think it will hurt the game that much..

QuoteGrid Alien Skin

I am pleased.

Really anxious to see other Predator and Marine skins.  I'm hoping for a Predator 2 skin.

Rather likely you're going to see every "classic" skin represented.

QuotePraetorian '99

Skin or model, because the head was a wedge, that's not something you're going to skin on.

So.. If there's a preatorian model for the MP, it's certain there will be AI preatorians in SP, right?

"dances happily around"

Man this keeps getting better and better.  Hopefully we'll get to see some high res pc footage.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:59:31 PM
Was amazing. Really enjoyed it. Just wish it'd have been 360. The PS3 controller felt so wrong to me. No bugs that I saw. The network of the expo did fail 3 times, I think which effected AvP and Mag and there were no issues with the demo itself.

Hey what are some reallly exciting and great things about the game you saw? how about execution kills? looks like they get extremely annoying in mp. and who won the predator vs predator fight at the end of the one video?

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 28, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
Rather likely you're going to see every "classic" skin represented.

QuotePraetorian '99

Skin or model, because the head was a wedge, that's not something you're going to skin on.

I don't know where did the skin thing came from but what you choose are character model variants, obviously some are just skins if the model is the same.

I hope some of those models for the Predator get rid of the duel, sword-length wristblades.  I'll take the classic single set any day.

Thanks a bunch Hicks.

Just seen the vids and they're awesome!

Marine: I noticed theres a interference crackle when the marine drops - does this indicate when the marine is hurt or will it flicker now n again? - Liked the details too like the shadows on the wall as they walked into a room and motion blur..

Fighting against the alien seems intense - your busy minding your own and then from out of nowhere your grabbed and dead like its actually happening.

Cant wait for the demo!

Do the predators' mask come off?

on another note - i just noticed the aliens are not seeing through the walls as they said they would be :S

They do, you just have to stand still for a sec or two.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/games/avp3/eurogamerexpo/normal_eurogamer21.jpg

"team balancing"
"Species balancing"
"friendly fire"

:)

The pics with the controls look fantastic too.

Yeah. Good stuff.

Thanks, Hicks.

Shame that the Alien has to share the same block buttons as the other species, though. There are so many buttons free that they may as well have mapped it to the triangle button or one of the D-pad buttons.

Aww! Why did you end the vid right before the predator v predator execution!? Anyway cool videos, took a look at the controls and they seemed pretty good. Just a question though, how do you zoom your vision with the predator?

My best guess is that he clicked the right control stick inwards.

the control scheme is in the image section of the gallery. Click the right stick to zoom.

I know I saw it, must have missed reading the sticks. That's odd though, because I thought that the zoom was like it was in the previous games where there are like 3 zoom depths. Were there any alternate control schemes?

EDIT: Ah, looks like it's hold to zoom. Ok.

So is the light attack for the alien the claw and the heavy the tail or is it the other way around?
Thanks Hicks for the clips. Thought we might not see more footage.

can team mates stop trophy kills?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:39:37 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=238

All vids and pics online. Enjoy.

All I see are Pics where are the Videos in the link?

http://www.youtube.com/user/cplhicks2310#p/a/u/0/Vb-3gwbeBnA

Well first off thanks Hicks and Ikarop. As always you guys do a wonderful job at providing additional info for the community :).

Well now lets get down to the game. The game looks nice and the gameplay looks very promising despite some critics from the magazines which is ok I guess. However this game will certainly not be a triple A title like its "numerical predecessor" cause for this the game got a bit too much "bad rep" in certain areas already but thats ok cause today the standards are higher for a triple A title that can make it count in comparison to the old times.

Quote from: Brother on Oct 26, 2009, 10:20:01 PM

Quote from: Steve C on Oct 26, 2009, 10:11:23 PM
From the IGN preview: "Weapons are only available as pick-ups (though for the purpose of our demonstration we were given the full load-out from the off), and each has to be charged by recharge points that are sparingly scattered around the map."

What...the...hell?  You have to pick up your weapons on the map?  Why would a hunter leave his weapons scattered about?  And recharge points?  Again, I ask...what the hell?  Makes no sense at all.  The predator is supposed to be self-reliant.  I was really hoping we would avoid gimmicky balance tricks this time around.  Besides that, everything else really does look amazing, so I can't wait.

For balancing purposes and to implement the no-classes system.

I am sorry Steve C but its Rebellion again and well they strike back you know ;) ... . They do not see the Predator as self-reliant as he should be cause they have misinterpreted him and made him uncompetitive. The Predator is now nothing more then a standard FPS shooter/brawler that walks around and can bend light around him as long as he does not attack anything.

The true and tried Predator feeling that some of us certainly associate with him like being the invisible hunter that can use certain weapons under cloak, while at the same time being completely self-reliant is already taken away as soon as the game got into the publics hearsay and we knew that Rebellion was in its second debut on the AvP series.

In multiplayer you will fight with the Predator as a "human-like character" with just added health and a cloak system that does not work like a true cloak system (or to be more precise that does not work like a Predator like cloak system from canon! -> so much to canon & realism) at all and your occasional wristblades that somewhat substitute the lack of rapid firing weapons from the marine just with the difference that you need to be up close to use them.

Regarding the balance purposes and the no-class system its all fine and dandy there, Brother the problem is just that it will not work that much on the long run and the magazines give me a point there actually.

This game as much as many like it will never be a triple A title when its released and that not because its made by Rebellion but because the same procedure we have here has happened in AvP 1 and well as much as people like how the game plays it will probably not satisfy the masses and I already said that exactly this will happen and all that just because they dislike certain approaches with certain species that have shown that it can work and that even quite good.

Quote from: dread7154 on Oct 27, 2009, 08:05:51 PM
Meh, I'm a little skeptical about the recharge points that the pred needs to find, why not retain the charge emitter from avp2??? Sure, I'm all about the melee combat for preds but it sounds like preds these days are too reliant on ranged weaponry instead of being experts on all forms of combat, the first avp movie made a prime example of that, seeing as the alpha pred/celtic pred/ heavy pred managed to get pinned by a drone and fail miserably in fighting back. I'm also disappointed in the lack of classes available to each race; the heavy pred was awesome from avp2 despite the fact that he was the slowest thing in the game and had the same damage output as a light pred, defense only made a difference against weapons like pulse rifles and shotties as well as claws and pounce, but against sniper rifles most of the time youd get killed in one shot unless you got lucky, and the queens tail was utterly ridiculous for heavy preds...

Yup ... what can I say, you already said everything.



I ask myself where in this game lies the challenge cause it certainly can not be to master three species without having the possibility to play other subgroups á la runners that also are different and not just mere skins, though we do not need a class system, yep but still I want to feel a runner and or the difference to a standard Alien drone and NOT one Alien that always plays the same!

So the challenge for top gamers will not lie in mastering the three species cause you will do this quickly with the right setup and a decent PC.

So where is then the challenge, ... in the maps perhaps? Well maybe cause they look quite nice but for this we need a thorough MP match online and even that is not enough cause the maps and the knowledge with them will come inevitably over time cause NO one can say after one day of gaming that this map X favours this species Y cause quite frankly it depends ultimately on his/her skill and thorough game experience to allow yourself a good and profound opinion regarding maps.

In the end we can not from this point on judge whether the challenge will only be the maps for competitive gaming but even if they are the only big challenge it leaves out quite a lot as expectations from a game from 2010! Finally if we only consider the mp maps we need to wait and see after some months of release how challenging the MP maps will be and even if they are a challenge they will also get learned quite fast by good players and so we come back again to the following:

Where lies then the challenge in this game? Well the maps are out of talk and as we have only 3 different (value based) species to play MP, which definitly will not be that hard to learn, we are left with a thing that is called MP modes!

The MP modes sound very nice but since when is DM a competitive gaming MP mode?!

As far as my experience tells me TDM is in most cases (around the globe) the competitive game mode for online play in first-person shooters and that has a reason. Those things like infestation etc. sound really good and are nice additions (thats what they should be considered as) as were survivor/evac for AvP 2 but I guess for people who want to win rather tend to follow the mp game mode that allows the easiest way of comparing SKILL/MP level knowledge/etc. with each other and that is ultimately the good'ol TDM, although I personally like DM but DM is for fun purposes and or for showing that you are the no 1 on the field but not for competitive gaming, where it shows not ONLY who is the no 1 on the scoring board but also which team finally wins the ultimate battle and that is were a lot of skill and teamwork is needed!

Well the MP modes will only be challenging if we have this but apart from that we have not really much to be thrilled about/challenged from even on a long term basis (excluding possible DLC but who cares for DLC especially if its one-sided á la GTA 4 console only "campaigns").

Sorry for this as it will be quite harsh now but I think I need to express my feelings and thoughts in a more dramatic effect:

Why the f**k did Rebellion not learn from their old mistakes by making this game less n00b oriented (even if some poeple think that its vice versa) by making weapons like a SC or smartie the weapons to go for - at least that seems to be the case as much as its been discussed?!

Furthermore why in the name of the lord did they not learn to make certain species feel the way they should feel instead of making them play completely different, then how they are supposed to?! This actually goes hand in hand with the imbalances/unfairnes for those species online cause the species is forced to fight certain styles and yes I look here foremost on the Predator as this will make him uncompetitive ... especially with this cheap single one-hit kills which are totally n00b based ... its like saying, no sorry mate you do not need to aim for head anymore just press mouse button 1 and you do a trophy/execution kill and or aim into the general direction of an Alien with your PR (cause it will be the weapon you will use most of the time) and it will quickly punish it for stalking you. If all this does not work buddy use the AUTO-tracking Smartgun cause with this you can run around aimlessly (brainlessly) and just hit the mouse button 1 and you will be set cause the frags will come in AUTOmatically.

As Predator do not use anything with SKILL in mind cause you will be hindered anyway by your (if its even in the game) minimal amount of ammunition for your Speargun and do not try to use your cloak or get used to it or even to rely on it cause ... well its useless in a big TDM or if we look at DM in a "big fragmatch". Sorry the Predator gameplay this time around involves making the Predator very unpredator-like from canon cause we thought thats how the Predator should be played ;), despite seeing the success of a developer studio like Monolith which we never have heard off and do not care about.

Finally please use the sc as Predator as much as you want cause its considered to be skill to use a AUTO-track weapon and that even more so cause we want you to use the new recharge option quite regulary, in order to be more of a target for the other, which involves you in a match of 12 to 15 people to run around and search for recharge points cause we simply think that a sifter would be "easy going" and would have no real disadvantages whatsoever.

On a last note, as Alien simply go out and learn the map/wall walking and kill and you are set.

I am done and sorry for it but I think this was needed even if the developers never listen to me or anyone else for that matter.

Edit: So much for competitive gaming in AvP (3) from Rebellion but I was right once more (oh man how I hate it!) that this game is more focused on the casuals, while at the same time not even probably achieving this, if we look at the magazines, which will thwart Rebellions plans ... once more.

Dude, I'm going to be mad if I have to search for my spear. And the fact that Predators, just like I knew, would have to go find awkward recharge points around the map. The alien gets their arsenal right off the bat, while the marine and preds have to look for their extra weapons. Bleh.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 29, 2009, 12:58:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/cplhicks2310#p/a/u/0/Vb-3gwbeBnA

Thank you very much Weasel.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 10:39:37 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=238

All vids and pics online. Enjoy.

All I see are Pics where are the Videos in the link?

All the videos are on the 1st page (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=26513.0) of this post besides the video thread. Everything related to the event is on the 1st page of this post.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 28, 2009, 09:42:14 PM
Indeed. I saw 3 Alien skins. Grid, standard drone and Praetorian (original AvP99 style).

did you take a pick or capture hte praetorian model? i was looking for it.

Wall O text... I disagree with almost everything you said..

Out of what we "Could" have got, vs what we "Have" got, I am extremely pleased, AvP is shaping up to be a top contender, and one great game, regardless of what some opinions have stated.

The predator feeling/playing like a human?...  when did the human get any Heavy attacks, when can the human character traverse high ground and leap from tree to tree, or gut/win a melee battle with an alien?
I don't think its going to happen, because those are predator qualities.

The comparison is... funny... but if it floats your boat..

As far as there being no challenge, I would suggest you play the game before making that assumption.

I can't wait till this game's released, ready to get some 20+ kill streaks...  >:(

"Edit" I would love to see the preatorian.

I'm a huge Predator fan, and will of course master his game play first, but I have to admit, I'm REALLY excited to play as the Alien this time around. 

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 29, 2009, 01:09:46 AM
Dude, I'm going to be mad if I have to search for my spear. And the fact that Predators, just like I knew, would have to go find awkward recharge points around the map. The alien gets their arsenal right off the bat, while the marine and preds have to look for their extra weapons. Bleh.

And the Aliens wouldn't be at a disadvantage if Marines and Preds started with a full arsenal?

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AM
I am sorry Steve C but its Rebellion again and well they strike back you know ;) ... . They do not see the Predator as self-reliant as he should be cause they have misinterpreted him and made him uncompetitive. The Predator is now nothing more then a standard FPS shooter/brawler that walks around and can bend light around him as long as he does not attack anything.

Look, I understand how you could have thought this before gameplay was released, but as far back as the E3 demo, we've known what you're saying to be false.

The Predator is encouraged to get into melee, sure. But it's encouraged to go for stealth kills, not to "brawl". As for fighting against Aliens, you can only shoot or brawl since you can't sneak up on them.

The SP demo showed us that the best way to complete objectives was to pick off targets one-by-one until you had a clear path. If all proceeds according to plan, then you never even get seen. You can do that. Rebellion encourage you to emulate the first Predator.

Plenty of games journalists have complimented the Hunt multiplayer mode on how well it, as well, emulates what you want the Predator gameplay to be. All signs point to them getting the feel of the monster right.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AMThe true and tried Predator feeling that some of us certainly associate with him like being the invisible hunter that can use certain weapons under cloak, while at the same time being completely self-reliant is already taken away as soon as the game got into the publics hearsay and we knew that Rebellion was in its second debut on the AvP series.

Predators are self-reliant. You just have to use energy wisely, which isn't even that hard considering that cloaking doesn't take up any.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AMIn multiplayer you will fight with the Predator as a "human-like character" with just added health and a cloak system that does not work like a true cloak system (or to be more precise that does not work like a Predator like cloak system from canon! -> so much to canon & realism) at all and your occasional wristblades that somewhat substitute the lack of rapid firing weapons from the marine just with the difference that you need to be up close to use them.

Cloaking in this game forces you to consider your attacks rather than just go in all-weapons-blazing. Not only does it force more tactical consideration from the player, it means you'll get less Predator players just running around without a clue as to what they want to do - it's more likely they'll want to take positions on the map that allow them to choose the best frags.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AMI ask myself where in this game lies the challenge cause it certainly can not be to master three species without having the possibility to play other subgroups á la runners that also are different and not just mere skins, though we do not need a class system, yep but still I want to feel a runner and or the difference to a standard Alien drone and NOT one Alien that always plays the same!

As an Alien fan, I can honestly say that I don't care about extra Alien classes. I'd rather see better balance (and therefore more depth of gameplay) amongst fewer classes.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AMWhy the f**k did Rebellion not learn from their old mistakes by making this game less n00b oriented (even if some poeple think that its vice versa) by making weapons like a SC or smartie the weapons to go for - at least that seems to be the case as much as its been discussed?!

AvPGE was hardly noob-oriented - it was unforgiving. The SP experience at the very least was challenging and gave you few clues as to the correct course of action, and MP gave you little time to think or react. AvP2 was far more noob-friendly, from the way Predator tracking was handled, the smartgun mechanics, the Alien pounce and more.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AMFurthermore why in the name of the lord did they not learn to make certain species feel the way they should feel instead of making them play completely different, then how they are supposed to?!

You have to be trolling. They've nailed it. Remember that leaked Alien demo play? The map designs and AI build completely encouraged the player to take things slow and stealthy. Likewise, in the Predator SP demo, similar setups were used to encourage play more befitting of the Predator. I can easily see this translating over to MP well, considering that Predators can access places Marines can't.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AMThis actually goes hand in hand with the imbalances/unfairnes for those species online cause the species is forced to fight certain styles and yes I look here foremost on the Predator as this will make him uncompetitive ... especially with this cheap single one-hit kills which are totally n00b based ... its like saying, no sorry mate you do not need to aim for head anymore just press mouse button 1 and you do a trophy/execution kill and or aim into the general direction of an Alien with your PR (cause it will be the weapon you will use most of the time) and it will quickly punish it for stalking you. If all this does not work buddy use the AUTO-tracking Smartgun cause with this you can run around aimlessly and just hit the mouse button 1 and you will be set cause the frags will come in AUTOmatically.

All this was true of AvP1 and AvP2 as well. If anything, single-hit kills encourage fast, decisive combats and stealth tactics. Quite appropriate, given that all three species in this game are notable for their capacity for both hunting and combat.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:00:47 AMAs Predator do not use anything with SKILL in mind cause you will be hindered anyway by your (if its even in the game) minimal amount of ammunition for your Speargun and do not try to use your cloak or get used to it or even to rely on it cause ... well its useless in a big TDM or if we look at DM in a "big fragmatch". Sorry the Predator gameplay this time around involves making the Predator very unpredator-like from canon cause we thought thats how the Predator should be played ;), despite seeing the success of a developer studio like Monolith which we never have heard off and do not care about.

On the contrary, the plasma caster's lock-on time encourages players to use with without lock-on in certain situations. Plasma mines encourage you to think from the perspective of other players. Both of those are more than you can say for anything in the previous games.

It sounds to me as if you just want to be able to fall back on all the elements of AvP2 that were imbalanced in favour of the Predator. The sifter that allowed location camping with energy weapons, the cloak that prevented Marine and Corp players from even recognising your presence beyond a few blips and the masses of health.

This game encourages players to be Predators. You actually have to stay on your toes, think about the best positions, choose targets wisely and map out an attack plan that will prevent you from being targeted effectively. So what if the cloaking is interrupted by weapons fire? It costs no energy, thereby encouraging players to use it as much as they like without repercussions.

Want to add two things....


1. The human HUD is shit, IMO. Compared to the pred and alien HUD, the marine got shafted, too bland, too much unecessary on it, i don't like the ammo count on the bottom right looks, or the tracker. I really do hope its a place holder, however looking at how the pred and alien HUD's are finished, i doubt it. I really like the pred hud feature when he is cloaked, the way avp2 was done, making the screen look distorted, was more annoying.

2. The fact that predators will get raped while they hit "recharge" points sucks as well, preds and  marines will just spam mines in that area, predator will always get ambushed, players will most likely not even use the recharge points, I wish there would've been a system, where you could get energy but some limit will be inititated, Idk.....you can only do it a certain amount of times, or I rather energy be a pick up, like the energy sifter is a pick up, use it once, throw it away, and make it a rare spawning item. Rather have seen that then gay recharge points.  

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 01:37:37 AM
Wall O text... I disagree with almost everything you said..

Out of what we "Could" have got, vs what we "Have" got, I am extremely pleased, AvP is shaping up to be a top contender, and one great game, regardless of what some opinions have stated.

The predator feeling/playing like a human?...  when did the human get any Heavy attacks, when can the human character traverse high ground and leap from tree to tree, or gut/win a melee battle with an alien?
I don't think its going to happen, because those are predator qualities.

The comparison is... funny... but if it floats your boat..

As far as there being no challenge, I would suggest you play the game before making that assumption.

I can't wait till this game's released, ready to get some 20+ kill streaks...  >:(

"Edit" I would love to see the preatorian.

You have every right to do so Drone23 :).

The question is for whom the game is shaping up to be a top contender? I'd say for casuals but maybe you disagree with me  :-\.

What does top contender even mean cause if you mean a top game and possible contender for certain awards that will push the games popularity even more I think I need to disagree but we two can wait and see whether the game will really be a top contender or whether the game will be shaping up the way I said it could from now on (and I do not mean this in a smarta** way you know :) ).

Since when should a Predator with wristblades win a melee battle with an Alien? Is he really that powerful to fight a melee specialist that is a (like one clan I have played with in the old times) NBK with his wrists ONLY?

By the way I meant the Predator feeling more like a human with cloak in a more broad sense but if we go into detail, you of course are right but then I would reformulate everything but as I see that most people do not like my long posts I will not :P ;).

Well the problem is that we need to see whether the game will be challenging or rather imbalancing, sort of an uphill battle with certain species.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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The Predator is encouraged to get into melee, sure. But it's encouraged to go for stealth kills, not to "brawl". As for fighting against Aliens, you can only shoot or brawl since you can't sneak up on them.

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Plenty of games journalists have complimented the Hunt multiplayer mode on how well it, as well, emulates what you want the Predator gameplay to be. All signs point to them getting the feel of the monster right.

The problem is and will be how you will sneak up on a marine without cloaking cause by competitive gaming standards a good player will always look around himself or like I always said in AvP 2s MP you will do the 360 MT sweeper of death ;D ;). You can not sneak up on a marine from behind with a Predator cause the Tracker will see you even if you are cloaked which does not work anyway but you and I know this Mada**alex.

Well the difference for the MP modes is that I do not want to need to play a specific MP mode and be restricted to ONLY be there able to use the Predator or any particular species for that matter the way its meant to be used! Furthermore the species should be more in-line with what it was in mind namely an invisible, self-reliant killer that hunts for the ultimate thrill of gaining trophies and successfully mastering his equipment for being considered an "advanced member" of the clan ;). Finally those signs are not the way the pred should be played and that even more so if they only point to this feeling, cause you should have this feeling and not simply point to (having something is a bit different then just pointing to it ;) ) out as I want to be able to do so independently of the game mode to play the race the way it should be played within the boundaries of the specific MP mode (like having restricte lives and or weapons etc.).

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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Predators are self-reliant. You just have to use energy wisely, which isn't even that hard considering that cloaking doesn't take up any.

If they are, then why do I need to go to recharge points ;)?

I think the mechanic of cloaking taking away energy on a small basis over time is ok and certainly a better way then the current solution we have.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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Cloaking in this game forces you to consider your attacks rather than just go in all-weapons-blazing. Not only does it force more tactical consideration from the player, it means you'll get less Predator players just running around without a clue as to what they want to do - it's more likely they'll want to take positions on the map that allow them to choose the best frags.

Why should the greatest weapon of the Predator force him to consider his attacks?

Since when can a Predator go in all-weapons-blazing? You know we had this talk already Mada**alex ;).

Well, if the players, you talk about, do not know what to do isn't it their problem then rather taking away this possibility of doing what you want to do for the rest of us players if they know what to do with their particular species in the particular situation. Furthermore isn't this canon Predator we know off cause the movies show this quite obviously cause he does not ask himself ... hmm... I need first to kill Peter before he freezes me so that the rest can capture me (I know this sounds kind of imbalancing but its the easiest way of showing you how a Predator should be instead played competitivly and balanced correspondingly with this always in mind and we know that one game achieved this quite good actually!)

In the end, do you think that so called "best frags" exist in a competitive cause I would not say so ;).

Just a small quote here I have taken for myself as being very important!

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... If you see your enemy first, you have the upper hand. Either kill him, or withdraw.

There is no "best frags" in a competitive game cause there you need to hit the enemy and win in as much battles as you can have either alone or with your teammates.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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As an Alien fan, I can honestly say that I don't care about extra Alien classes. I'd rather see better balance (and therefore more depth of gameplay) amongst fewer classes.

O.K. thats your opinion but I honestly want to be able to play with different kinds of aliens and not some that look "cool" but are otherwise the exact same alien. You know this also takes away the atmosphere especially considering the Giger Alien skin if its in cause there you want to have certain characteristics that made you a bit more lethal in certain situations and you as an Alien fan would agree, wouldn't you ;)?!

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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AvPGE was hardly noob-oriented - it was unforgiving. The SP experience at the very least was challenging and gave you few clues as to the correct course of action, and MP gave you little time to think or react. AvP2 was far more noob-friendly, from the way Predator tracking was handled, the smartgun mechanics, the Alien pounce and more.

Regarding SP, yup I would not disagree that much, however it was still possible to do it but it needed a bit of time. However regarding MP we had not that much difference to AvP 2 with exception of having maybe a bit more "features" and "tools" at your disposal like the disc (which was unfair yep) but who uses track weapons when "high-level weapons" from top pred players were way more efficient though needed quite a lot of skill and let you play in TDM like a real Predator by stalking your prey UNDER cloak and putting a spear through their head on range or using the wristblades in melee if you wanted and WHEN you wanted etc. . Fortunately Smartguns did not kill that fast cause they did not aim automatically for head though still they always hit you as soon as autotracking was activated and yes the alien pounce and or tail attack where kind of imba for stunning you but thats how the game was "managable" to those times in the MP section.

Anyway I never said that I dislike the current alien tail attack as I really like it way more cause its canon when it impales a pred or a rine but I never said anything against an alien then just to say that you need to learn wall-walk and navigate the map and then you already can kill as much as you want while for example a predator is a completely different and way uncanon character that has been treated with bad and lame methods of balancing.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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You have to be trolling. They've nailed it. Remember that leaked Alien demo play? The map designs and AI build completely encouraged the player to take things slow and stealthy. Likewise, in the Predator SP demo, similar setups were used to encourage play more befitting of the Predator. I can easily see this translating over to MP well, considering that Predators can access places Marines can't.

Well for SP you may even be right but I never talked about the SP but rather about the MP with competitive gaming in mind and simply saying that this will easily be translated over to MP will be kind of simple ... cause I am nearly 90% sure that this will not be the case, let alone that the Predator does not play the way he should be played and or should be balanced!

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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All this was true of AvP1 and AvP2 as well. If anything, single-hit kills encourage fast, decisive combats and stealth tactics. Quite appropriate, given that all three species in this game are notable for their capacity for both hunting and combat.

Yep fast they will be but whether stealth will be in a FPS action game that much, especially with a Predator whose cloaking has been nerfed, I doubt but regarding the Alien you are right cause the Alien can use the entire map and all the dark spots a Predator can not cause jumping from one high ground to another will not always provide the necessary dark hideouts needable for stealth kills.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
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On the contrary, the plasma caster's lock-on time encourages players to use with without lock-on in certain situations. Plasma mines encourage you to think from the perspective of other players. Both of those are more than you can say for anything in the previous games.

It sounds to me as if you just want to be able to fall back on all the elements of AvP2 that were imbalanced in favour of the Predator. The sifter that allowed location camping with energy weapons, the cloak that prevented Marine and Corp players from even recognising your presence beyond a few blips and the masses of health.

This game encourages players to be Predators. You actually have to stay on your toes, think about the best positions, choose targets wisely and map out an attack plan that will prevent you from being targeted effectively. So what if the cloaking is interrupted by weapons fire? It costs no energy, thereby encouraging players to use it as much as they like without repercussions.

If I would ever use a lock-on weapon, why should I especially as Predator if canon is concerned NOT use my track laser for lock-on!?

Plasma mines are just a different version of pred hot bombs and trust me I never needed to think from the perspective of other players when I lobbed them right into a bunch of rines or aliens or both battling it out cause a simple click on my secondary mouse button gave me already 2 to x amount of frags on a competitive level of play. The same will very much happen in a 12 to xx amount of players game with the plasma mines in mind cause there you also will not set up traps like you should but will rather use those weapons offensivly ;).

You know that I am right there Mada**alex cause for playing to win this is simply the case or should I say for having a lot of fun in game you will automatically play to win cause thats what my experience told me when I started to play new games for fun online. You get automatically better and sooner or later find yourself in servers with clan players that all play to win on a very high-level and then you will rethink what you just have said regarding those weapons trust me ;).

Well trust me the sifter did not allow energy weapon camping cause the sniper and or Minigun and or PR nades and or pounce quickly put a stop to an energy recharging predator that was trying to get the energy back for the next round of sc shots ;).

The cloak was rather useless if you had map knowledge cause every good play saw you miles ahead even in cloak and as most top players always walked around and rarely - if ever - you had always the chance to kill a predator quite easily even under his cloak!

The cloaks energy cost was a better solution to what we have now and that not only speaks for the balance of the game and challenge for my marine to win against a cloaked predator but for way more as we have talked to death ;).

Just my 3 cents and time to go to bed hehe ;).

The controls look very fluid. That was one of the things I really wanted to see, the controls.

 Sure anyone should be able to pick this game up and start blasting away at other casual gamers, but when they get into a room with experienced players, or simply vets of the series they will quickly learn there is skill to this game, planning, stalking, patience.

Sure anyone could spam the plasma caster, or blast away with the smart gun, but to a experienced player it would do nothing, they will slip away cause the player to follow and get them nice and close were all that auto lock doesn't work so well.

People say the other species will be camping the recharge point's? I say good, easier for me to find them, creep up slit their throats, then recharge.

IMO the Predator is the Melee specialist, using techniques and strategy to overpower his enemies, were the Alien is simply put an animal in CQB..

Picture it this way, the predator is a BJJ Black belt, but he's also got a sword.
 Were as the Alien is more or less a Jaguar, extremely ferocious, using it's claws and teeth to literally tear it's victim apart.
So to me the Alien and Predator are almost 50/50 in a Melee fight, sure technique and skill goes along way but when you have something similar to a large cat pounced on top of you, well.. the tables can turn.

Didn't mean to come off as a jerk in my previous post, I apologize, we all have our opinions  ;)

TOMAR. MEGA POST.

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 29, 2009, 03:10:14 AM
TOMAR. MEGA POST.

always, lol.

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Quote from: Weasel on Oct 29, 2009, 01:09:46 AM
Dude, I'm going to be mad if I have to search for my spear. And the fact that Predators, just like I knew, would have to go find awkward recharge points around the map. The alien gets their arsenal right off the bat, while the marine and preds have to look for their extra weapons. Bleh.

And the Aliens wouldn't be at a disadvantage if Marines and Preds started with a full arsenal?

Aliens are already fully equipped. Rebellions idea of balance is to take away two of the classes weapons and have you search for them? Not only that, but the disc recall takes energy. Energy that you have to find fuse boxes for that are in limited areas. I wouldn't mind finding the disc, but it sounds like having to search and memorize where pick ups are is really annoying. I'd take the old class system if it meant that I wouldn't have to search for a spear or something.

I AGREE! The Alien should have to go find his tail before he can use it, dammit!

 :D

But seriously, it does give the Alien players a bit too much of an advantage. Marine and Predator players will go searching for their best weapons and Aliens can abuse that by camping smartgun/disc spawn zones.

As for Tomar's post, gettin' to it.

I think it gives the predator a ridiculous advantage to start with one hit kill ranged weapons of doom.

I do however think that maybe the marines should start with more of their gear for balances sake, but then again, I can't say anything about balance because I haven't played it.

I already planned on using the Smart Gun all the time. Im going to freaking murder all the ugly preds and xenos, hell, you're all bugs to us MARINES! I dont give a rats ass if the pred or xeno is more powerful, they say if you are a bad ass gamer than you will succeed. I will succeed. The MARINES will succeed,KILL EM ALL!

Feeling a little angry?

whats messed up is that we can't choose our loadout, we have to find the other weapons in the map Quake style.

Since the Plasma Caster and the Disc is Homing  i see no problem in using the Smartgun but it is lame..

I loved in AvP 1 that you can disable weapons we allways played without any homing weapons

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:55:11 AM
(Your huge post here)

This is a video game and as such is obviously not going to adhere to everything that is considered canon in the films.

*yawn* will read that later, when I'm not sleepy.
But yeah, we all expected better impressions in general.
Pred fans turning to the dark side yesssss. :D

LoL, I dont like that unreal tournament picking item style... game wont be anything special. Its here just for fans... blah. Its ok but not a masterpiece. Tho we will see when game comes out. But I think it wont be long played game.

Loving the new AvPGalaxy exclusive gameplay videos.

Actually, the one thing that gets me -

Why are the Alien and Predator players sticking to conventional pathing so much? I understand in a situation where it's Preds vs. Aliens, since the Predators don't want to become victim to the Alien's superior agility while on uneven ground. Having a wider space where an Alien can't just approach from a corner is advantageous.

But when against humans, it makes little sense to use the same paths they do. A lot of those places don't have roofing or anything, while still having pillars and walls littered around. They're perfect vantage points from which to discern what a human is doing and to get behind them.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 01:55:49 PM
Actually, the one thing that gets me -

Why are the Alien and Predator players sticking to conventional pathing so much? I understand in a situation where it's Preds vs. Aliens, since the Predators don't want to become victim to the Alien's superior agility while on uneven ground. Having a wider space where an Alien can't just approach from a corner is advantageous.

But when against humans, it makes little sense to use the same paths they do. A lot of those places don't have roofing or anything, while still having pillars and walls littered around. They're perfect vantage points from which to discern what a human is doing and to get behind them.

They're gamers, not AvP-nuts.

Homing plasma caster is such a stupid idea and hated it on the original avp games.  
Just make it more powerful.  
Damn arcade style fps games ruin everything!   thats the only reason for homing because everyone is running around like monkeys none stop.

  Laser sight looks funny as hell how you can see the beam across the whole map.   Wow it looks so lame.

I like the laser sight actually.

Wow Grid alien is actually in the game.  Thats pretty cool.
I agree human hud is crap.  So plain.  HUDs are annoying and look better with a clean screen.
Hell I play hardcore COD Mostly because it takes all that useless junk off my screen and it actually makes me enjoy the game alot more.

The other AvP games had an option to toggle the HUD on and off.  This one probably will too.

Reading features on 1st page. 
Weapons can be found on map.... what is this 1995?  They couldn't make it customizable so you pick what you want when you play? I would have taken a COD rip off and make it so you can level up in the game for each class.  Get better weapons for each class and for alien just give other types of aliens to choose from.  Maybe PredAlien at high level.
Same for Predator.
Oh and pred de cloaks when he shoots.. wtf is that?  Rebillion doesn't know how to balance the game for shit.  You don't butcher stuff like that just to balance the game.  Theres no creativity in this game at all and no customizing which will kill multiplayer on the console in 3 months.
 
Seems like the original game with finishing moves. Game needs alot of work.

Man, would've liked to see that Pred get butchered by his buddy. :P

+points for the guy getting killed a second after spawning near an enemy. :D

Looks neat.

*Sigh...* there really is no pleasing some of you.  Im still glad we are getting this game at all.  I think most of the complaints here are not relevant as the game is still being worked on.  Whats wrong with weapon pickups?  I thought they worked pretty well in the new Riddick's multiplayer.  Also, The Predator always decloaked in the past games while using energy weapons.  Its Rebellion's game, they are part of the reason the AVP franchise is as strong as it is, I would put just a bit more faith in them, at least until the game is finished.  

depending on how high powered the laser is, you can see them across long distances. The light reflects off of the dust particles in the air. It makes sense. Especially if there is a slight fog, or more water in the air (like in a jungle). I'm gonna guess the pred's laser is pretty high powered since he is using it for the purposes of aiming his weapons.

I'm so happy you can remain cloaked indefinately.

On the other hand, I do hate how the Predator decloaks after every attack. He never decloaked after shooting his Plasmacaster in Predator did he?

He didn't in any of the films.

You are correct, I was just using Predator as the prime example because he's cloaked for almost the entire movie. :)

QuoteHoming plasma caster is such a stupid idea and hated it on the original avp games.  

AvPG did not have homing plasma shots.

QuoteThe other AvP games had an option to toggle the HUD on and off.

No they didn't.

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
Sure anyone should be able to pick this game up and start blasting away at other casual gamers, but when they get into a room with experienced players, or simply vets of the series they will quickly learn there is skill to this game, planning, stalking, patience.

Yes but the problem is that good players will want to make kills as fast and efficient as possible. Like I said its not a Sam Fisher Splinter Cell in here, its still a FPS ACTION horror sci-fi game and nothing less or more. By the way this is not meant negativly as it can be quite a nice feeling when you know that you can "speed up" the game for everyone else when you start to play with all your SKILL at bear and its even more satisifying in doing the occassional "freak-out" stealth kill from behind with an alien but this will be rare by good player standards ;).

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
Sure anyone could spam the plasma caster, or blast away with the smart gun, but to a experienced player it would do nothing, they will slip away cause the player to follow and get them nice and close were all that auto lock doesn't work so well.

Yup, we both got a point here :).

However certain one-hit kill weapons will certainly be very boring but something like a Sadar or the Alien tail (charged up) or the Disc should kill your opponent in one hit cause they are meant to do this due to their physical characteristics. The SC is another contender for this if its charged up and or for realisms sake even if its not but that would be quite unfair on-line as I would count this weapon in to those one-hit killers ;).

The other thing is the execution/trophy kills which take away quite a bit of skill but as they make you vulnerable while you do them it evens out I guess and they are after all a nice addition and thats how I see them.

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
People say the other species will be camping the recharge point's? I say good, easier for me to find them, creep up slit their throats, then recharge.

The Problem is that you can not creep up to an alien that always sees you and a marine that does the 360 turn will most definitly be a good player and the more the MP map plays for the humans/aliens advantage like having the energy recharge point in a corner, where the Predator just can come from one or two places will make the run for it as a Predator quite cost-ineffective, you know ;).

I thought that Rebellion has learned from this and their previous first title they did and saw that Monoliths sifter worked wonders and allowed every player whether good or not to learn the Predator to be played the way he is meant to be played but still have this individual creativity to use him as a "lone hunter" of type that kills only with his spear if he wants to or uses his netgun only etc. . You always had your free mind and corresponding style to play certain weapons, as they never decloaked you like the hunters spear and or the wrists and or the speargun ;). This was perfect when you were a top player cause you still played and felt like a real pred just with the difference that you used a SKILLFUL weapon at range, namely the Speargun while under cloak instead of the canonical pred that uses the Plasmacaster instead and you could quite easily keep up with every good top player whether marine, corporate or alien. The most important of all was that you still played competitivly and at the same time felt how the Predator really is (meant to be played)!

All this thanks to a small device called the sifter and the ability to use "certain things" under cloak.

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
IMO the Predator is the Melee specialist, using techniques and strategy to overpower his enemies, were the Alien is simply put an animal in CQB..

Picture it this way, the predator is a BJJ Black belt, but he's also got a sword.
Were as the Alien is more or less a Jaguar, extremely ferocious, using it's claws and teeth to literally tear it's victim apart.
So to me the Alien and Predator are almost 50/50 in a Melee fight, sure technique and skill goes along way but when you have something similar to a large cat pounced on top of you, well.. the tables can turn.

Yep, this sounds good and understandable. However its kind of bad that the Predator is being stereotyped to be rather a human-like alien instead of being the canonical Predator which we know from the movies that allows us to play the way in MP like we want to and still being competitive at the same time ;).

Furthermore in my eyes when I play Alien I want to have a higher chance in melee fight (something like 75/25 if the Predator uses wrists and if he uses the hunters spear something like 60/40 would be ok I think!) cause after all I AM a weapon that eats (nearly litteraly) humans and Predators up close while at range I am in most cases being eaten if I do not watch out and use top dodging and closing in skills to put up a fight you know. For me this is bad but thats maybe just my opinion.

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
Didn't mean to come off as a jerk in my previous post, I apologize, we all have our opinions  ;)

Its ok I did not even feel that you behaved like one ;). You know I am a nice person and not that easily to set up :).

Quote from: Purebreedalien on Oct 29, 2009, 03:04:14 PM
I like the laser sight actually.

Such a thing is o.k. for SP but for MP it makes it even easier to see a Predator cause it litteraly gives you the exact position from him or should I say his head and can even be abused as your "marine-like own laser tracker" as it also tracks way back to the Predator helmet and gives you an incentive to "spray some bullets" over there cause if you are good and actually can aim hehe :P you will make headshots and we know what will then happen with the Predator!

Thats the problem, and I know this even though I have not played cause you know I think and analyse the situations and this will certainly be the death for every predator in a few months after release or at least a useful tactic ;).

Thats why I would agree with Spoons post here.

Quote from: Spoon on Oct 29, 2009, 02:48:26 PM
Homing plasma caster is such a stupid idea and hated it on the original avp games.  

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Laser sight looks funny as hell how you can see the beam across the whole map.   Wow it looks so lame.

Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 29, 2009, 08:51:48 AM

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:55:11 AM
(Your huge post here)

This is a video game and as such is obviously not going to adhere to everything that is considered canon in the films.

Yep, you are right, its only a game but how does it come that the alien and marine have less of an uncanonical feel to the game from first sight then the Predator. I would say that this is so because the Predator is simply misinterpreted by Rebellion and they still 'til now after a decade of time since they created the first game have not learned that other methods like the sifter etc. work better then this lame methods they have taken for using in the name of the balance and hence outright imbalancing the Predator and taking away the feel of him while at the same time making him very uncanon (one bad thing after the other as you see cause restricting a pred player is not called fair but rather unfair even if you argue with saying that you now need tactics for this to circumvent it, as unfairness WILL be unfairness regardless of how you turn it ;) ), while the other two species like I already said, have been kept mostly the same way they are, or we know them from the previous games!

I assume that the Predator will also in this "horror flick" be played mostly the same like he was in AvP 1 and that means that he will not be played that much over the MP by serious gamers that play to win and want to be good players ... . Not a good decision from the devs if you'd ask me.

In the end I hope that Monolith will bring this games series back (like they did the first time after AvP 1 cause we all know that this part will not end up in being one of the triple A titles we all have waited for in some time, although I am very happy that we get even an additional part of the series) with AvP 4 then and reinitiate the old methods with more features/even newer gfxs/etc. if AvP 4 will ever of course come out ;). If this would ever happen then we can definitly see a tendency of who of those two developers knows how to make this game a triple A title that everyone on the world, including serious gamers pays respect to and that at the same time can't wait to play it ;). This is not meant offensivly against Rebellion, as I really care for their game and want them to succeed and not make another game that will just "pass by" in time ... .

Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 29, 2009, 03:26:12 PM
*Sigh...* there really is no pleasing some of you.  Im still glad we are getting this game at all.  I think most of the complaints here are not relevant as the game is still being worked on.  Whats wrong with weapon pickups?  I thought they worked pretty well in the new Riddick's multiplayer.  Also, The Predator always decloaked in the past games while using energy weapons.  Its Rebellion's game, they are part of the reason the AVP franchise is as strong as it is, I would put just a bit more faith in them, at least until the game is finished.  

Well I am pleased so far, its just that you will not be able to play ALL races competitivly on-line and that is a BIG (if not THE biggest) letdown for me and I guess many serious gamers out there.

Well even if the game has not arrived at gold status, I highly doubt that they will change anything dramatic by just 4 months til release or should I say 3 months cause the game will undoubtly get after christmas the gold stamp ;).

Well weapon pick-ups are o.k. as long as you have an option like in AvP 2s MP to change it to have already a load-out (like when playing with class weapons sets even though you have no class weapon sets in AvP 3 cause there are no classes, you should still be able to select for yourself which weapon you want to take with you into the mp level).

Yep the Predator always decloaked in MP when using energy weapons, right but he NEVER decloaked when using melee or ammunition based weapons like the netgun, hot/sticky bombs (that are meant to be used as traps but are rather used as flying bombs instead by top players and the same will happen with the plasma mines ;) ) or the speargun!
Furthermore he was independent from any outside source in case of his energy level as he had the sifter and hence if you were badly hit by an alien or human you had the chance to withdraw if you had good dodging skills and could with the combo of the sifter and medicomp recharge completely but were very vulnerable while doing so and easy prey for even the most n00bie player ;). Furthermore this added in MP to the atmosphere of being the canonical powerful, self-reliant predator we have seen in the movies as in Predator and Predator 2 the Predator also did not need to look up in the jungle for some magical energy sources to recharge his power for example  ::).

Well Rebellion is part of the franchise, most definitly! This is even more true cause they made now the second game in this series already, while Monolith just did one, ... however Monoliths game was the one that made this entire franchise a triple A title game that is respected among all fps players around the globe as it was the reason, why this franchise got so much attention to its times and its bad that Rebellion does not learn and rather ends up by destroying their own franchise or at least making it only halfhearted/halfbaked ready for the market, though I have my faith in them but the problem is that with every video I see from them the more I get the feeling that I am right that this game is a better gfx'ed AvP 1 and thats bad you know cause they should have learned by now from '99 to 2010 what has worked and what not, wouldn't you agree ;)?!

"Do NOT change what is NOT broken!" yup ... .

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 04:18:52 PM

AvPG did not have homing plasma shots.

Yup, one of the very good things I liked from AvP 1, which added a lot of the feel the Predator had in the movies, if there would be not the everlasting energy problems, apart from some other things ... . In AvP 2 it was a quite a let down to have this magical homing in plasma bursts, which were quite uncanon and that especially in SP but at least there you had the chance to cloak while using different weapons and the energy management was considerably better ... .

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 04:18:52 PM

QuoteThe other AvP games had an option to toggle the HUD on and off.

No they didn't.

Sorry, Puks but AvP 2 definitly had the option to turn your HUD off. I have done it myself ;).

Tomar, srsly, get a life..

Game looks promising across all boards but it looks like they are (which is good in a way) making this game for the fans of the originals.  I as one played the originals to death especially the first avp game on computer and downloaded each specie demo the first day they came out and got the game it self first day it came out. 
Problem is that its over 10 years later and things change.  They need to make the game more realistic and follow more of how the characters are in the movies and not make such huge changes just for balance issues.
  Placed items on the map is the dumbest thing ever and should stick to quake games only as it being a arcade shooter. 
I for one don't want this game to be an arcade shooter but to me more realistic and more suspenseful AS IT SHOULD BE.

  Im bored of running around and basing the gameplay souly on reaction time.  What happened to planned attacks and strategy?    Red Orchestra is the best FPS game i played and I cant wait to see their new title come out.

if it isn't balanced, either:

the game won't be played
Everyone will be the same species.Then it's not aliens vs predator anymore.

Yup.

But there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Also true.

I mostly like the "look for your weapons" because it forces the preds to be careful for little while instead of being a cowboy. If marines are camping your weapons, you'll have to find a way to take them out.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 04:36:35 PM

Well Rebellion is part of the franchise, most definitly! This is even more true cause they made now the second game in this series already, while Monolith just did one, ... however Monoliths game was the one that made this entire franchise a triple A title game that is respected among all fps players around the globe as it was the reason, why this franchise got so much attention to its times and its bad that Rebellion does not learn and rather ends up by destroying their own franchise or at least making it only halfhearted/halfbaked ready for the market, though I have my faith in them but the problem is that with every video I see from them the more I get the feeling that I am right that this game is a better gfx'ed AvP 1 and thats bad you know cause they should have learned by now from '99 to 2010 what has worked and what not, wouldn't you agree ;)?!

This is Rebellions fourth AVP game, not their second.  

-AVP (Atari Jaguar)
-AVP (PC)
-AVP: Requiem (PSP)
-AVP (2010)

Their AVP for PC was very successful which is one of the reasons that AVP 2 sold so well.

And no, I would not agree with you.  I think we still dont know how the game is going to turn out.  It looks like they have changed alot for the better, most initial publications have been positive and the game is not yet finished.  I honestly dont care if this game is not the AAA super platinum gone gold extreme game that you expect, if its good and fun with atmosphere and style, then Im happy.  You keep bringing up Monolith, but look at their last two games (which were great by the way) Condemned 2 and F.E.A.R. 2.  those games are not very popular, and its hard to find people to play against online, however they are very well made and fun, and when I do find those matches, its a blast.  Could this game turn out to be shit? yeah, same as any game, but it looks like its going to be great (to me anyway).

It's sad to see that the predator decloaks after using a melee attack. Rebellion what haseth thou doneth? :(

Something new i found:

Quote from: yaji on Oct 29, 2009, 05:31:13 PM
Something new i found:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZry50PMJ8

Lol I was like wth I just posted this, on the wrong topic :P.... anyway, added to the 1st page.

Ooo Look at hicks the top of the leaderboard.

Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 29, 2009, 05:20:22 PM

This is Rebellions fourth AVP game, not their second.  

-AVP (Atari Jaguar)
-AVP (PC)
-AVP: Requiem (PSP)
-AVP (2010)

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I know that its their fourth game its just that I did not count in the console only versions as I am solely a PC player, you know and I counted from the PC version series onwards ;).

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 29, 2009, 05:36:44 PM
Ooo Look at hicks the top of the leaderboard.

Yup, well done Hicks, thumbs up (is right in the top of this post for you :) ).

i am so pumped for this game.i will definatly be preordering this. before these vids it was my #3 most anticipated games behing splinter cell and halo reach. now number 1. i can not wait. even the pre-game/post game makes me so gitty.   :P

"Team Balancing -- Off"
"Species Balancing -- Off"
"Friendly Fire -- Off"
"Change Species Ratios -- ?"
"Marines -- 2"
"Aliens -- 2"
"Predators -- 1"

Nice!

Hicks,

in one video you did, a predator was going to stealth kill another predator. However it ended before the execution. Were there different kill animations for pred vs pred? Also does the Pred have a kill animation like that of the alien where u grab the tail?

I'm curious on how the stealth kills will be played out....can you interrupt a stealth kill? If so...

1. Is the one being stealth killed, released?
2. Is the one being stealth killed, die?

Do you take damage while the stealth kill continues to go on?

Can you stealth kill someone that just stealth killed another? effectively creating a steatlh kill train.... and you can't do nething about it because they will stealth kill from behind u.

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 04:18:52 PM
No they didn't.

Not in the menu, but I was always able to switch off my hud by pressing the += key next to backspace.
What are team balancing and species balancing?

Damn its been a long time i've logged on this forum...

This game is really looking great.
I've played avp1 and avp2 soooo much and loved them as a Predator fan, so im really happy rebellion is making this avp3 game.

CANT WAIT !!!!

Quote from: Steve C on Oct 29, 2009, 07:15:46 PM

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 04:18:52 PM
No they didn't.

Not in the menu, but I was always able to switch off my hud by pressing the += key next to backspace.
What are team balancing and species balancing?

Team balancing- ensures that each team has the same number of players
Species balancing- each species has the same number of players

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 04:36:35 PM

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
Sure anyone should be able to pick this game up and start blasting away at other casual gamers, but when they get into a room with experienced players, or simply vets of the series they will quickly learn there is skill to this game, planning, stalking, patience.

Yes but the problem is that good players will want to make kills as fast and efficient as possible. Like I said its not a Sam Fisher Splinter Cell in here, its still a FPS ACTION horror sci-fi game and nothing less or more. By the way this is not meant negativly as it can be quite a nice feeling when you know that you can "speed up" the game for everyone else when you start to play with all your SKILL at bear and its even more satisifying in doing the occassional "freak-out" stealth kill from behind with an alien but this will be rare by good player standards ;).

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
Sure anyone could spam the plasma caster, or blast away with the smart gun, but to a experienced player it would do nothing, they will slip away cause the player to follow and get them nice and close were all that auto lock doesn't work so well.

Yup, we both got a point here :).

However certain one-hit kill weapons will certainly be very boring but something like a Sadar or the Alien tail (charged up) or the Disc should kill your opponent in one hit cause they are meant to do this due to their physical characteristics. The SC is another contender for this if its charged up and or for realisms sake even if its not but that would be quite unfair on-line as I would count this weapon in to those one-hit killers ;).

The other thing is the execution/trophy kills which take away quite a bit of skill but as they make you vulnerable while you do them it evens out I guess and they are after all a nice addition and thats how I see them.

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
People say the other species will be camping the recharge point's? I say good, easier for me to find them, creep up slit their throats, then recharge.

The Problem is that you can not creep up to an alien that always sees you and a marine that does the 360 turn will most definitly be a good player and the more the MP map plays for the humans/aliens advantage like having the energy recharge point in a corner, where the Predator just can come from one or two places will make the run for it as a Predator quite cost-ineffective, you know ;).

I thought that Rebellion has learned from this and their previous first title they did and saw that Monoliths sifter worked wonders and allowed every player whether good or not to learn the Predator to be played the way he is meant to be played but still have this individual creativity to use him as a "lone hunter" of type that kills only with his spear if he wants to or uses his netgun only etc. . You always had your free mind and corresponding style to play certain weapons, as they never decloaked you like the hunters spear and or the wrists and or the speargun ;). This was perfect when you were a top player cause you still played and felt like a real pred just with the difference that you used a SKILLFUL weapon at range, namely the Speargun while under cloak instead of the canonical pred that uses the Plasmacaster instead and you could quite easily keep up with every good top player whether marine, corporate or alien. The most important of all was that you still played competitivly and at the same time felt how the Predator really is (meant to be played)!

All this thanks to a small device called the sifter and the ability to use "certain things" under cloak.

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
IMO the Predator is the Melee specialist, using techniques and strategy to overpower his enemies, were the Alien is simply put an animal in CQB..

Picture it this way, the predator is a BJJ Black belt, but he's also got a sword.
Were as the Alien is more or less a Jaguar, extremely ferocious, using it's claws and teeth to literally tear it's victim apart.
So to me the Alien and Predator are almost 50/50 in a Melee fight, sure technique and skill goes along way but when you have something similar to a large cat pounced on top of you, well.. the tables can turn.

Yep, this sounds good and understandable. However its kind of bad that the Predator is being stereotyped to be rather a human-like alien instead of being the canonical Predator which we know from the movies that allows us to play the way in MP like we want to and still being competitive at the same time ;).

Furthermore in my eyes when I play Alien I want to have a higher chance in melee fight (something like 75/25 if the Predator uses wrists and if he uses the hunters spear something like 60/40 would be ok I think!) cause after all I AM a weapon that eats (nearly litteraly) humans and Predators up close while at range I am in most cases being eaten if I do not watch out and use top dodging and closing in skills to put up a fight you know. For me this is bad but thats maybe just my opinion.

Quote from: Drone23 on Oct 29, 2009, 02:11:36 AM
Didn't mean to come off as a jerk in my previous post, I apologize, we all have our opinions  ;)

Its ok I did not even feel that you behaved like one ;). You know I am a nice person and not that easily to set up :).

Quote from: Purebreedalien on Oct 29, 2009, 03:04:14 PM
I like the laser sight actually.

Such a thing is o.k. for SP but for MP it makes it even easier to see a Predator cause it litteraly gives you the exact position from him or should I say his head and can even be abused as your "marine-like own laser tracker" as it also tracks way back to the Predator helmet and gives you an incentive to "spray some bullets" over there cause if you are good and actually can aim hehe :P you will make headshots and we know what will then happen with the Predator!

Thats the problem, and I know this even though I have not played cause you know I think and analyse the situations and this will certainly be the death for every predator in a few months after release or at least a useful tactic ;).

Thats why I would agree with Spoons post here.

Quote from: Spoon on Oct 29, 2009, 02:48:26 PM
Homing plasma caster is such a stupid idea and hated it on the original avp games.  

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Laser sight looks funny as hell how you can see the beam across the whole map.   Wow it looks so lame.

Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 29, 2009, 08:51:48 AM

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 29, 2009, 01:55:11 AM
(Your huge post here)

This is a video game and as such is obviously not going to adhere to everything that is considered canon in the films.

Yep, you are right, its only a game but how does it come that the alien and marine have less of an uncanonical feel to the game from first sight then the Predator. I would say that this is so because the Predator is simply misinterpreted by Rebellion and they still 'til now after a decade of time since they created the first game have not learned that other methods like the sifter etc. work better then this lame methods they have taken for using in the name of the balance and hence outright imbalancing the Predator and taking away the feel of him while at the same time making him very uncanon (one bad thing after the other as you see cause restricting a pred player is not called fair but rather unfair even if you argue with saying that you now need tactics for this to circumvent it, as unfairness WILL be unfairness regardless of how you turn it ;) ), while the other two species like I already said, have been kept mostly the same way they are, or we know them from the previous games!

I assume that the Predator will also in this "horror flick" be played mostly the same like he was in AvP 1 and that means that he will not be played that much over the MP by serious gamers that play to win and want to be good players ... . Not a good decision from the devs if you'd ask me.

In the end I hope that Monolith will bring this games series back (like they did the first time after AvP 1 cause we all know that this part will not end up in being one of the triple A titles we all have waited for in some time, although I am very happy that we get even an additional part of the series) with AvP 4 then and reinitiate the old methods with more features/even newer gfxs/etc. if AvP 4 will ever of course come out ;). If this would ever happen then we can definitly see a tendency of who of those two developers knows how to make this game a triple A title that everyone on the world, including serious gamers pays respect to and that at the same time can't wait to play it ;). This is not meant offensivly against Rebellion, as I really care for their game and want them to succeed and not make another game that will just "pass by" in time ... .

Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 29, 2009, 03:26:12 PM
*Sigh...* there really is no pleasing some of you.  Im still glad we are getting this game at all.  I think most of the complaints here are not relevant as the game is still being worked on.  Whats wrong with weapon pickups?  I thought they worked pretty well in the new Riddick's multiplayer.  Also, The Predator always decloaked in the past games while using energy weapons.  Its Rebellion's game, they are part of the reason the AVP franchise is as strong as it is, I would put just a bit more faith in them, at least until the game is finished.  

Well I am pleased so far, its just that you will not be able to play ALL races competitivly on-line and that is a BIG (if not THE biggest) letdown for me and I guess many serious gamers out there.

Well even if the game has not arrived at gold status, I highly doubt that they will change anything dramatic by just 4 months til release or should I say 3 months cause the game will undoubtly get after christmas the gold stamp ;).

Well weapon pick-ups are o.k. as long as you have an option like in AvP 2s MP to change it to have already a load-out (like when playing with class weapons sets even though you have no class weapon sets in AvP 3 cause there are no classes, you should still be able to select for yourself which weapon you want to take with you into the mp level).

Yep the Predator always decloaked in MP when using energy weapons, right but he NEVER decloaked when using melee or ammunition based weapons like the netgun, hot/sticky bombs (that are meant to be used as traps but are rather used as flying bombs instead by top players and the same will happen with the plasma mines ;) ) or the speargun!
Furthermore he was independent from any outside source in case of his energy level as he had the sifter and hence if you were badly hit by an alien or human you had the chance to withdraw if you had good dodging skills and could with the combo of the sifter and medicomp recharge completely but were very vulnerable while doing so and easy prey for even the most n00bie player ;). Furthermore this added in MP to the atmosphere of being the canonical powerful, self-reliant predator we have seen in the movies as in Predator and Predator 2 the Predator also did not need to look up in the jungle for some magical energy sources to recharge his power for example  ::).

Well Rebellion is part of the franchise, most definitly! This is even more true cause they made now the second game in this series already, while Monolith just did one, ... however Monoliths game was the one that made this entire franchise a triple A title game that is respected among all fps players around the globe as it was the reason, why this franchise got so much attention to its times and its bad that Rebellion does not learn and rather ends up by destroying their own franchise or at least making it only halfhearted/halfbaked ready for the market, though I have my faith in them but the problem is that with every video I see from them the more I get the feeling that I am right that this game is a better gfx'ed AvP 1 and thats bad you know cause they should have learned by now from '99 to 2010 what has worked and what not, wouldn't you agree ;)?!

"Do NOT change what is NOT broken!" yup ... .

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 04:18:52 PM

AvPG did not have homing plasma shots.

Yup, one of the very good things I liked from AvP 1, which added a lot of the feel the Predator had in the movies, if there would be not the everlasting energy problems, apart from some other things ... . In AvP 2 it was a quite a let down to have this magical homing in plasma bursts, which were quite uncanon and that especially in SP but at least there you had the chance to cloak while using different weapons and the energy management was considerably better ... .

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 04:18:52 PM

QuoteThe other AvP games had an option to toggle the HUD on and off.

No they didn't.

Sorry, Puks but AvP 2 definitly had the option to turn your HUD off. I have done it myself ;).

Yeah you do...and besides this huge rant is pointless =/ and if u dont like the looks of the game then theres rlly no need to complain.

QuoteAvP 2 definitly had the option to turn your HUD off.

Ok... but what is the point of not seeing your health/energy/armor/ammo?

I haven't even read those huge textbombs... Makes my poor head hurt.

That latest pred cam footage rocked, way to take out those aliens!

Too much stuff on the pred's screen that isn't of too much relevance.

I like the marine hud, only because when you get hit it is like you are watching the helmet cam footage.  The pred hud is fine.  I can't really mention anything on the alien hud, because it is only one bar. 
I do like the pred's vision modes, because it doen't sistort your ability to see where you are going.
although this is sortof against canon, I think this is how it is supposed to be, but they didn't have that type of equipment to simulate this in 1980 something.

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 07:59:23 PM
Ok... but what is the point of not seeing your health/energy/armor/ammo?

It was simply an option directed towards those individuals bitching about the HUD.

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 29, 2009, 05:36:44 PM
Ooo Look at hicks the top of the leaderboard.

Wasn't me. Generic names used for the demo. Others were Bishop and Gorman.

Currently writing up my article.

Quote from: Steve C on Oct 29, 2009, 10:03:07 PM

Quote from: Puks on Oct 29, 2009, 07:59:23 PM
Ok... but what is the point of not seeing your health/energy/armor/ammo?

It was simply an option directed towards those individuals bitching about the HUD.

But why bitch about something that you NEED in order to play? It makes no sense to me at all..  :-\

In the meantime, another video. It's alien/marine gameplay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sboevCyvDDE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfS_saJ4Fbo&feature=player_embedded

0:31

WTF?  Is that the tinman version of a Predator? because i'm not feelin it.
Bloody hell man.I don't know what i'm seeing and it aint too impressed.
Can't they just keep it strictly Predators and aliens. I mean save the Alienborgs stuff for fan mods.

Quote from: diablo949494 on Oct 29, 2009, 10:17:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfS_saJ4Fbo&feature=player_embedded

0:31

WTF?  Is that the tinman version of a Predator? because i'm not feelin it.
Bloody hell man.I don't know what i'm seeing and it aint too impressed.
Can't they just keep it strictly Predators and aliens. I mean save the Alienborgs stuff for fan mods.

It's just one of the new predator masks you will be able to choose in multiplayer.

I should've complained about this much earlier but I really hate the predator HUD.

.. the f*ck?! Where are the good old predator symbols?! Why the hell does it look like the HUD from FEAR2?! Is this supposed to be an "improvement"? DAMN!!!

Personally, I think it gives a feeling of looking at a HUD underneath an actual mask or visor, like Metroid Prime.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 29, 2009, 10:42:11 PM
Personally, I think it gives a feeling of looking at a HUD underneath an actual mask or visor, like Metroid Prime.

Which is great. The only thing I might complain about is that new little triangle they added.

ME WANTZ DA PREDATOR SYMBOLZ!!!!111!!

It just ain't the same without them.  :'(

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stealthbadger.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F11%2Fbawwww.jpg&hash=d878cddae9b59584ff4c0287ad224c334f47574f)

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 29, 2009, 10:44:22 PM
Which is great. The only thing I might complain about is that new little triangle they added.

Hell, I don't even care about that.

This is the first AvP game where I'm almost as psyched to play the Predator as the Alien.

You don't /need/ a HUD to play the game at all.

At least we are getting some different skins for the Xeno other than the default Warrior one.

Quote from: Okata on Oct 29, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
You don't /need/ a HUD to play the game at all.

Sure, why would I have the need to know my health/armor/ammo. Look, I know you don't in Dead Space, for example, but I like having an HUD. Especially in an FPS.

You need HUD. You don't need stuff.
Jump mechanic is in the way. Zooming is in the way. Jaw cam is in the way.

I like how the Pulse Rifle looks and fires. great sound too.  waaaaaay better than AvP1 and 2.

Quote from: Brother on Oct 29, 2009, 11:04:42 PM
You need HUD. You don't need stuff.
Jump mechanic is in the way. Zooming is in the way. Jaw cam is in the way.

Jump mechanic is toggled.

Zooming is... exactly as it was beforehand.

Headbite appears to be an execution kill, so it's going to take the take it takes, unfortunately.

Jaw cam was in the previous games and nobody cared.

To be fair, it was a lot less intrusive then.

It didn't make you blind in AvP2 and it was a lot faster.

And the jump can be toggled but its alway going to be in the way for the people that are going to use it. They should make the red "rings" disappear as soon as you start making the jump but no, they are in your face when you land, and its very possible that someone will be expecting you there.

More of this stuff

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F2%2F24%2FPredator_letters.gif&hash=7ec18ad29b55511541fb5f9e8c86e5d2fec53419)

Why none of these? Why are they replaced by a stupid fugly bar on the bottom? WHY?!

Haha, damn that was awesome. Totally something you'd see happen, the panicked backpedal followed by a swift execution.

Something of the past? I have no problem with the HUDS, they're absolutely fine.

He was shooting just to the left of the alien as he came in for the kill, hah.

Quote from: yaji on Oct 29, 2009, 11:33:33 PM
More of this stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSv9kkXsk48

:D

<3

yeah Ripley plugged more bullets in her first alien than that Marine.

Quote from: affinity on Oct 30, 2009, 12:14:08 AM
yeah Ripley plugged more bullets in her first alien than that Marine.

yeah, same with kelly.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:56:21 PM
Something of the past? I have no problem with the HUDS, they're absolutely fine.

Coming from someone who already PLAYED the game and his not complaining.

They provide the information you need to know. Nothing more, nothing less. They're appropriate for the most part different from older versions.

I'll bitch and moan all I want cause that predator HUD just isn't right.

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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thecoopyears.co.uk%2Fmod%2Favp2.jpg&hash=3e1cf6114d3c49a18fb93d1b469a8f553331c570)
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See what i mean?

Well put. Would be even better if the pred screen was in zoom.

Quote from: XxecutionerxX on Oct 30, 2009, 12:27:07 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 29, 2009, 11:56:21 PM
Something of the past? I have no problem with the HUDS, they're absolutely fine.

Coming from someone who already PLAYED the game and his not complaining.

Well even if Hicks played the game it does not mean that his opinion about the game will be same for everyone out there ;).

I understand Puks, however I think there are more stressing things out there that needs attention but I would not mind having the good'ol Predator symbols back.

The old system actually provided more detailed informations regarding your health and energy because it was more "differentiated" and more "structured" as every small symbol bar represent a glimpse of your health and you were able to measure your overall health better this way and the same accounts for the energy while they now have made them to some big blocks that you can not measure exactly how much health and or energy you have. It also seems that you have less energy to start with or lets say it at least looks so but thats something that Hicks could certainly tell us in more detail ;).

Quote from: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:34:53 AM
I'll bitch and moan all I want cause that predator HUD just isn't right.

I think the new one is better presented. The Predator HUDs weren't very intuitive as they were unclear and used that f**ktarded Predator counting system instead of adding those health and energy blips in a clearly readable manner.

Two bars are strides ahead of that.

Quote from: Brother on Oct 29, 2009, 11:04:42 PM
You need HUD. You don't need stuff.
Jump mechanic is in the way. Zooming is in the way. Jaw cam is in the way.

But you want it to have your babies because it's COOL. Rebellion said so.

and also Awesome.

QuoteThe old system actually provided more detailed informations regarding your health and energy because it was more "differentiated" and more "detailed" as every small symbol bar represent a glimpse of your health and you were able to measure your overall health better this way and the same accounts for the energy while they now have made them to some big blocks that you can not measure exactly how much health and or energy you have.

That's my greatest concern. Five health units? Ridiculous. Not to mention the predator symbols are iconic, they should be in the friggin' HUD!

Quote from: Puks on Oct 30, 2009, 12:47:49 AM

QuoteThe old system actually provided more detailed informations regarding your health and energy because it was more "differentiated" and more "detailed" as every small symbol bar represent a glimpse of your health and you were able to measure your overall health better this way and the same accounts for the energy while they now have made them to some big blocks that you can not measure exactly how much health and or energy you have.

That's my greatest concern. Five health units? Ridiculous. Not to mention the predator symbols are iconic, they should be in the friggin' HUD!

If you want the symbols, paint them on your screen. Perhaps they'll be on the weapons, like the Plasma Caster.

And 5 health units? I think they are going to do it like this:
*Predator gets bitchslapped*
Loses a little health, but it's not shown on the health.
*Predator gets slapped twice, and shot*
The health would go down to 4 bars.
-----

That seems logical.

Except it looks like Predators are nowhere near that resilient.

Two or three Alien swipes to take it down. Not even heavy attacks, just claws.

A few bursts of pulse fire to the body.

I was just using it as an example.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 30, 2009, 12:47:19 AM

Quote from: Brother on Oct 29, 2009, 11:04:42 PM
You need HUD. You don't need stuff.
Jump mechanic is in the way. Zooming is in the way. Jaw cam is in the way.

But you want it to have your babies because it's COOL. Rebellion said so.

and also Awesome.

No thats ignorant. People lie and spread rumors about the game, like that is not good. 8)

Quote from: Galliruler on Oct 30, 2009, 12:54:05 AM
I was just using it as an example.

Fair enough.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 12:52:30 AM
Except it looks like Predators are nowhere near that resilient.

Two or three Alien swipes to take it down. Not even heavy attacks, just claws.

A few bursts of pulse fire to the body.

I do not know whether you intentionally found out that you have just discovered why the devs used this mechanic or just were lucky and said this due to logically answer the question of the previous post ... .

Very well done Mada**alex cause yep thats exactly the reason!

However this reason is bad and shows how much the predator has changed ... .

Quote from: Brother on Oct 30, 2009, 12:55:03 AM

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 30, 2009, 12:47:19 AM

Quote from: Brother on Oct 29, 2009, 11:04:42 PM
You need HUD. You don't need stuff.
Jump mechanic is in the way. Zooming is in the way. Jaw cam is in the way.

But you want it to have your babies because it's COOL. Rebellion said so.

and also Awesome.

.

No thats ignorant. People lie and spread rumors about the game, like that is not good. 8)

Apparently people can't figure out how much life they have if it's numerically represented. Which is why life bars are much more precise.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 30, 2009, 12:59:51 AM

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 12:52:30 AM
Except it looks like Predators are nowhere near that resilient.

Two or three Alien swipes to take it down. Not even heavy attacks, just claws.

A few bursts of pulse fire to the body.

I do not know whether you intentionally found out that you have just discovered why the devs used this mechanic or just were lucky and said this due to logically answer the question of the previous post ... .

Very well done Mada**alex cause yep thats exactly the reason!

However this reason is bad and shows how much the predator has changed ... .

Pulse rifles fire armor piercing explosive ammo. No matter how big your penis is it's going to get blown off as both movies showed. Predator skin is not adamantium and having internal organs explode is lethal.

People are acting like the HUD will ruin the game. The predator HUD feels like your wearing the mask. I doubt aliens see through their mouths but I'm ok with that.

I actually prefer this hud to the original anyway.

Blasphemy! Heresy!

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 30, 2009, 12:59:51 AM
I do not know whether you intentionally found out that you have just discovered why the devs used this mechanic or just were lucky and said this due to logically answer the question of the previous post ... .

Very well done Mada**alex cause yep thats exactly the reason!

However this reason is bad and shows how much the predator has changed ... .

Personally, I'm fine with the Predator being relatively vulnerable. Like Xhan said, pulse rifles are above and beyond most infantry-issue weapons we have today, so it's not unreasonable that they'd shred Predators to bits.

It looks like, out of all the species, Predators still have the most health anyway.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 30, 2009, 01:02:38 AM

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 30, 2009, 12:59:51 AM

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 12:52:30 AM
Except it looks like Predators are nowhere near that resilient.

Two or three Alien swipes to take it down. Not even heavy attacks, just claws.

A few bursts of pulse fire to the body.

I do not know whether you intentionally found out that you have just discovered why the devs used this mechanic or just were lucky and said this due to logically answer the question of the previous post ... .

Very well done Mada**alex cause yep thats exactly the reason!

However this reason is bad and shows how much the predator has changed ... .

Pulse rifles fire armor piercing explosive ammo. No matter how big your penis is it's going to get blown off as both movies showed. Predator skin is not adamantium and having internal organs explode is lethal.

Yep, true if we consider human physiology but how do you know that a Predator has somewhat that is the same for him ;)?!

If we consider the movies ONLY I have in all cases just seen that green thick blood runs out of his body with some form of jelly which seems to be some form of organs but whether they are we do not know cause this could be something completely different as we do not know anything regarding alien-like species and their physiology.

The same accounts also for the alien and everything else is just fiction/fan-lore ;).

We all know that the Predator has survived several shotgun rounds into his torso, and I guess that his skin was not that thick to reflect them as they hit them and clearly wounded him as blood run out of him. Shotgun pellets/slugs would with high-probability destroy internal organs from a human at that range as well and either heavily cripple him to outright kill him so ... .

Edit: No sorry Mada**alex several hit him as you could even see if you recall those scenes from Predator 2 right into his torso or stomach if I need to be more precise and have you ever seen a shotgun pellet what it would do to a human body if dozens of shrapnels hit your open stomach ;)? You need to look some documanteries that show ballistical science in action where Human bodies are recreated with some form of chemicals that take shape into a human like skin and look what shotgun pellets would do with a human body and its corresponding organs. It would annihilate the organs when dozens of shrapnels hit them up close as they did with the Predator and this is quite a similar effect to several pulse rifle rounds ;). The difference here is just that the Predator woke up after taking those shots without even seemed to be effected by those shots ... such a treatment no known "living organism" would survive let alone one direct hit of a 12 gauge pump action shotgun right into the stomach/chest ;).

Those shells hit him in the mask. At that sort of range, I'm not surprised, either.

Pulse rifle rounds are a different matter entirely.

Quoteorgans from a human at that range as well and either heavily cripple him to outright kill him so ... .

And? Immaterial. All three are torn to ass by a Pulse rifle. As it should be.

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 30, 2009, 01:12:15 AM
Edit: No sorry Mada**alex several hit him as you could even see if you recall those scenes from Predator 2 right into his torso or stomach if I need to be more precise and have you ever seen a shotgun pellet what it would do to a human body if dozens of shrapnels hit your open stomach ;)? You need to look some documanteries that show ballistical science in action where Human bodies are recreated with some form chemicals that take shape into a human like skin and look what shotgun pellets would do with a human body and its corresponding organs. It would annihilate the organs when dozens of shrapnels hit them up close as they did with the Predator and this is quite a similar effect to several pulse rifle rounds ;).

They don't explode, I'm sure.

Either way, there are numerous reports of people surviving that kind of gunshot from range. Bleeding, but alive. There's even reports of people getting shot and not feeling it, which is a little more than you can say from the Predator of the first movie.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 01:22:54 AM

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 30, 2009, 01:12:15 AM
Edit: No sorry Mada**alex several hit him as you could even see if you recall those scenes from Predator 2 right into his torso or stomach if I need to be more precise and have you ever seen a shotgun pellet what it would do to a human body if dozens of shrapnels hit your open stomach ;)? You need to look some documanteries that show ballistical science in action where Human bodies are recreated with some form chemicals that take shape into a human like skin and look what shotgun pellets would do with a human body and its corresponding organs. It would annihilate the organs when dozens of shrapnels hit them up close as they did with the Predator and this is quite a similar effect to several pulse rifle rounds ;).

They don't explode, I'm sure.

Either way, there are numerous reports of people surviving that kind of gunshot from range. Bleeding, but alive. There's even reports of people getting shot and not feeling it, which is a little more than you can say from the Predator of the first movie.

Well they do not explode, yep true but I highly doubt that ANY human EVER survived several 12g shotgun pellets straight to his stomach/chest from lets say 3 - 4 meters ;). He would with a probability of 101% die and I mean to his bare chest/stomach and not some fancy kevlar west or bulletproof protection that he wears.

I assume that he would be already after the second or third hit right away dead and I mean really dead ... not in coma or something ;).

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 30, 2009, 01:16:00 AM

Quoteorgans from a human at that range as well and either heavily cripple him to outright kill him so ... .

And? Immaterial. All three are torn to ass by a Pulse rifle. As it should be.

?

Sorry could you perhaps clarify what you mean :)?

people have survived that, Tomar.

People have survived gun shots to the head. People have survived their brain being impaled by a street sign. It happens.

The resultant internal detonation by a PR round is going to seriously debilitating, and the Predator has the same physical properties as a human... which means increased toughness aside, the Pred's physiological set up is EXACTLY what the weapon is designed to break. It may take more rounds, but the resultant damage isn't going to be mitigated to any greater degree.

Speaking of Predator physiology:

They bleed, which means (apart from the fact that we can kill it) that they have an organ for pumping that blood. An equivalent to our heart.

Blood carries nutrients and energy around the body. That means that Predators have some kind of digestive system so that nutrients can enter the blood stream. It also means that they have some sort of respiratory system so that the blood can oxidise (with methane, we're led to believe).

They feel pain, which means they have a nervous system. They make executive decisions, which means they have a brain with a frontal lobe like ours. They hear and see, which means they have temporal lobes and occipital lobes.

In so many ways, Predators are just like earth creatures. And just as mortal.

Quote from: kvon17 on Oct 30, 2009, 01:32:08 AM
people have survived that, Tomar.

People have survived gun shots to the head. People have survived their brain being impaled by a street sign. It happens.

Yes, I know those guys like Phineas Cage if you have heard of him that had a metal rod (if I remember well) straight through his brain and survived to tell the tale. However in medical terms this was very lucky as would have been things like gun shots to the torso as they simply failed to hit a vital part of the body and in the case of Phineas the brain ;).

However if several (5 - 6 shots) from a pump gun hit you and the guy who shots it is not braindead and aims for vital parts of your body ... you would DIE outright there is no saying and coming with some fancy things like that humans have survived this and that, buddy medicine is also a kind of natural science and if your heart is being torn apart you are outright dead or if your head gets destroyed by pellets you are DEAD! There is no denying in this mate. You need to have a LOT of luck that vital parts of your body and or brain do not get damaged like things that are important for breathing/heart control etc. to survive those things but against a good shooter this chance is nearly nonexistant and thats what I mean, after all Harrigan played a seasoned police officer or detective as far as I remember.

Those guys know how to shoot and where to hit in order to KILL and not leave you just wounded or heavily crippled ;).

Edit: Quite a nice explanation there Mada**alex and I like it as you take a bit of our known science and try to combine it with how an alien like species metabolism and anatomy could work and I even agree with you, however what I mean is simply that the Predator is an alien like species that could despite your nice explanation still be completely different, although being pure fiction anyway. What I mean with this is that he could have multiple small heart like organs accross vital areas of his body that pump what we call blood through a somewhat "cardiovascular system" even if it is not the same or it could even completely be different you know ... we do not know this even though he can breath oxygen as we can ... who knows maybe he has lungs but maybe not and even if he has lungs they could easily be completely different to ours which is highly probable considering that this species seems to exist WAY longer (I even once said that I thought that this alien species seems to be several generations ahead of us cause no organism can survive what they can survive if you remember it ;) ) then the entire humanity does. They could have existed since the dinosaurs area of the cretaceous age or even further ago like the jurassic age ... you know having hundreds of millions of years could make them completely different to us even if they share things that we thing could be in common to us cause their evolution is certainly (and thats something every serious bio-scientist and or scientist in evolution would agree with) being completely different to ours as their environment they were born in etc. is totally different to ours ;). You know as a scientist you look at the elemental area and every small difference in the evolutional process of millions of years can result in massive differences in the current physiology of a species, especially if it exists that long!

Edit2: Of course he will die sooner or later the problem is just that the Predator is very resilient to quite some forms of attack you know and thats what has been shown in the movies ;). He can survive things no "living organism" could and come out either just wounded or angry hehe :P ;). If you put enough PR rounds into him he will of course also inevitably die like everything else we know of, as long as you not aim bad and hit only his armour cause then you can fire as much rounds as you want cause it will not hurt him then rather his armour which could be damaged.
However lets come back to our original topic which was the Predator symbols, shall we ;)?! What I meant earlier with it that you found out why the devs put in such a hp/energy HUD element is that they want to conceal that the Predator has lost quite a bit of his original health we have been used to in the former games and how can you can make this the most easiest way without drawing to much attention? ... yes right by putting "less informations" regarding your energy/hp elements and not trying to make them as detailed as they were in the predecessor games but still looking big and "blocky". This is not good due to obvious reasons ;).

The basic point is that if you fill his body with armour-piercing, explosive ammo, there won't be anything functioning, since a failure in the cardiovascular system or respiratory system causes a failure in the other.

Also remember the reason so many Xenos were taken down so easily is because of their head which is a big ass target. If a Predator or human were shot in the head five times by a PR like a Xeno I do not think there would be much of a head to shoot after the first few shots. Most of the shots hit the Xeno's torso - head and it at least five shots from the PR. IF that was done to a human and the a rounds did not penetrate STRAIGHT through the human there would not a open casket funeral. Another reason to explain why a Predator could take more PR rounds than a Xeno is because the rounds are powerful enough to penetrate straight through the entire Predator. Why I think the rounds are strong to penetrate through an entire body is because of the scene in ALIEN 3 where a WY Mercenary unloads on "85". I mean 85 took about 10 shots and he was only a bloody mess and not torn to pieces as the Xenos were in ALIENS and I think thats because the rounds busted straight through him.

Also on a side note: We NEVER saw anyon kill a Xeno with a pistol from ALIENS. She shot it from point blank range, it got pissed off and spazzed out, then went tumbling down the vents but dead, NO.

Good point.

Bullets that are armour-piercing tend to go straight through soft targets in real life and cause less damage than tumbling rounds.

But you'll bleed a lot more.

Blood loss ain't much compared to torn organs.

Well yeah, but either way, without immediate medical attention, you're gonna die.

Why would marines use explosive rounds against aliens? In the second movie, they didn't really buy Ripley's story about the 7 foot alien with the acid and everything but after a few encounters wouldn't they want to use rounds that minimize acid splatter?

Hey, has anyone seen this one yet  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw its some alien gameplay with some pretty decent action and it lasts about 3 minutes.

and at 0:32 that is the weirdest looking predator mask I've ever seen

Quote from: sjs41390 on Oct 30, 2009, 03:45:53 AM
Hey, has anyone seen this one yet  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw its some alien gameplay with some pretty decent action and it lasts about 3 minutes.

That guy was awesome.

Gotta love the sweet music at the start.  :D

Quote from: sjs41390 on Oct 30, 2009, 03:45:53 AM
Hey, has anyone seen this one yet  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw its some alien gameplay with some pretty decent action and it lasts about 3 minutes.

After watching this video, I feel that it's WAY too easy to execute a stealth kill, there's no defense to that either....

You get a pounce from behind that's instant death, and i know I'm gonna hear "thats how it would supposed to be" I'm not talking about that, im talking about gameplay. At least have them execute the stealth kill when they are in arms reach, not from a distance....it's gonna be cheap.

Well, it is how it's supposed to be. Anyone who has their back to an Alien is asking for a good coring.

Marines are not built for solo play in multiplayer.

Kind of annoying how Predators take more damage for head shots. Unless thier mask is off, I dont think they should take that much damage. It's meant to be pretty tough. Maybe thier 'headshot' area should be thier exposed belly and chest. Would make gameplay as a Marine more diverse.

As for people complaining about stealth kills...It's just gonna be like the chainsaw from GOW. It'll end up being that only nublets use it and the skilled players will make mince meat of them when they try. It's nothing to worry about.

Quote from: Aeus on Oct 30, 2009, 04:06:56 AM
As for people complaining about stealth kills...It's just gonna be like the chainsaw from GOW. It'll end up being that only nublets use it and the skilled players will make mince meat of them when they try. It's nothing to worry about.

Though I agree with you I do not think that will happen with AvP3 since in GoW2 it was ONLY the Chainsaw and here it will be a SHIT LOAD of different kills.

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 30, 2009, 04:04:46 AM

Quote from: sjs41390 on Oct 30, 2009, 03:45:53 AM
Hey, has anyone seen this one yet  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw its some alien gameplay with some pretty decent action and it lasts about 3 minutes.

After watching this video, I feel that it's WAY too easy to execute a stealth kill, there's no defense to that either....

You get a pounce from behind that's instant death, and i know I'm gonna hear "thats how it would supposed to be" I'm not talking about that, im talking about gameplay. At least have them execute the stealth kill when they are in arms reach, not from a distance....it's gonna be cheap.

I agree with you, it seems like the alien was jumping from halfway across the map or something.  They'll have to work on that otherwise I can see myself becoming very frustrated when I play as any other species in MP.

 And here we all thought the Pred was going to wipe the floor with the Alien. ROLE REVERSAL.

I'm liking it, but only because I'm an Alien fanboy.

The Xeno should have been the bad ass all along. Don't worry ya'all all is good all is good the ultimate killer is now THE ultimate killer. Anyways not sure if anyone noticed this BUT it looks like the Pulse Rifle can overheat or they just added smoking and overheating textures and animations for no reason.

Quote from: Redlightning on Oct 30, 2009, 04:51:04 AM
And here we all thought the Pred was going to wipe the floor with the Alien. ROLE REVERSAL.

I'm liking it, but only because I'm an Alien fanboy.

Until the Marine bounces your hoppy ass of his rifle and splatters you all over the walls.

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 30, 2009, 04:58:26 AM

Quote from: Redlightning on Oct 30, 2009, 04:51:04 AM
And here we all thought the Pred was going to wipe the floor with the Alien. ROLE REVERSAL.

I'm liking it, but only because I'm an Alien fanboy.

Until the Marine bounces your hoppy ass of his rifle and splatters you all over the walls.

Then my blood kills him.

Yeah.

Quote from: Redlightning on Oct 30, 2009, 05:00:19 AM

Quote from: Xhan on Oct 30, 2009, 04:58:26 AM

Quote from: Redlightning on Oct 30, 2009, 04:51:04 AM
And here we all thought the Pred was going to wipe the floor with the Alien. ROLE REVERSAL.

I'm liking it, but only because I'm an Alien fanboy.

Until the Marine bounces your hoppy ass of his rifle and splatters you all over the walls.

Then my blood kills him.

Yeah.

THey showed that a WHOLE lot in the videos but I think its because most of the players playing the Marines got freaked out when the saw the ultimate killer whooping the ultimate hunter's ass then coming towards them. If the Marine players had some better aiming they probably would have done better. Plus it looked like none of them bothered getting health or checking the motion tracker.

Being stunned after bounce = distance = no comeback kill.

Quotegetting health or checking the motion tracker.

Indeed, most Marines seem to be playing UT3, rebellion edition, which is probably a sure fire way to get your ass handed to you.

"I'm a chargin my sprint! I'm achargin it again! Oh noes why is I dead"

Only if those players were not nubs and fans. They would play respectably.

man this year is so freaking boring.   

3 more months before AVP is released.

Quote from: affinity on Oct 30, 2009, 07:09:44 AM
man this year is so freaking boring.   

3 more months before AVP is released.

Still we will have Borderlands to support Gearbox (and ourselves) and CoD6: MW2, Bioshock 2, Assassins Creed 2... I'll have time short.

blah, none of those games interest me.  Borderlands might be nice but I think I'll get bored so fast, unless I find 3 others that are obsessed with the game online and are fun.  But even then, Borderlands looks like Fallout 3,  so few enemies, little to do besides explore and shoot.  Loot won't hold my interest.

Hmmm maybe I should get Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 since the online co-op looks really good.  but I dunno.  this is a really lackluster 4th quarter.   if only Ubisoft released a new Rainbow Six.

and I dont have a 360 anymore so I can't play Left 4 Dead or Left 4 Dead 2.

I'm suprised out of all the footage thats been out I've still yet to see head bobbing, it looks exactly like counter strike where you just kinda glide across the floor. I'm sure they'll add it but its suprising that they havent already considering they've already spent alot of time with trophy kill animations.

It's actually hard to think of a first person shooter that doesnt have headbob, infact the only three that come to mine are the first AvP, counter strike, and fallout3.

Even the slightest smallest headbob would be neat to have, AvP2 had a very nice low level headbob that didnt distract your aim, but it was still noticeable.

either way is fine but yeah it is a good effect to have.

but at the rate aliens move, I think people would get naucious.

Quote from: sjs41390 on Oct 30, 2009, 03:45:53 AM
Hey, has anyone seen this one yet  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw its some alien gameplay with some pretty decent action and it lasts about 3 minutes.

Now that's PLAYA!!  8)

Xenomorph Pwnage 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sboevCyvDDE

Some more footage lasts about 2.30

sorry if it's been posted.

Yep it was, but thanks for the link.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/index.php?main=site&section=articleeurogamerexpo

My article is up guys.

Nice.

Smells like typical console port.
Like, when you die, you have to spectate the match with fixed camera angles (i.e. no free-look mode).
Rebellion is abandoning PC gamers too, just like IW.

Coverage of the event very well explored by the forum, congratulations ... for the game the more I see video and photo ... more I believe it will be one of the best games made by avp ... just ask one thing Sega .. . do not delay this game for the love of God! There's one thing they did in the game that I thought important, used the submissions and other positive attributes of the series avp movie, now I'm eager to see the Queen and predalien and high definition in my house ... and the game of course ...

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 29, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
Hicks,

in one video you did, a predator was going to stealth kill another predator. However it ended before the execution. Were there different kill animations for pred vs pred? Also does the Pred have a kill animation like that of the alien where u grab the tail?

I'm curious on how the stealth kills will be played out....can you interrupt a stealth kill? If so...

1. Is the one being stealth killed, released?
2. Is the one being stealth killed, die?

Do you take damage while the stealth kill continues to go on?

Can you stealth kill someone that just stealth killed another? effectively creating a steatlh kill train.... and you can't do nething about it because they will stealth kill from behind u.

Repost because I really like this answered, the stealth kills look too easy to execute and you have no defense.

I think there is a possibility for Queen in MP, judging by how they couldn't respond.

Never really liked that queen molt thing.

Quote from: Sylizar on Oct 30, 2009, 10:05:27 PM
I think there is a possibility for Queen in MP, judging by how they couldn't respond.

I thought they said there would be no Queen in MP. Either way I doubt there will be. There are no classes, and adding in a Queen for the Xenos just would not make much sense. If there is a VIP mode then maybe the Xeno VIP would be a Queen. In Survival there might be a Queen.

QuoteThere will also be a model for the Alien you play in the single player mode which wasn't included in the demo but it would seem that it isn't your average looking Alien.

Groan.

Dude, the more I learn about multiplayer the more upset I get. f**king bullshit that the predators start with just wristblades. Way to f**king alienate your fanbase by making the predator start with 1 weapon that isn't even a weapon at all. I don't care how balanced it is, limiting the predator to pick ups, and recharge points that can be destroyed? This is f**king pissing me off.

is the model going to change the gameplay?? like praetorian? I wonder if pred-alien will be its own usable character, I sure hope so.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
Dude, the more I learn about multiplayer the more upset I get. f**king bullshit that the predators start with just wristblades. Way to f**king alienate your fanbase by making the predator start with 1 weapon that isn't even a weapon at all. I don't care how balanced it is, limiting the predator to pick ups, and recharge points that can be destroyed? This is f**king pissing me off.

The Alien fans didn't feel so good earlier in development. Feel our pain.   :'(

They still have several months to go, which I figure they'll have everything, or mostly everything sorted out by then.

Last time I checked the game was perfect.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
Dude, the more I learn about multiplayer the more upset I get. f**king bullshit that the predators start with just wristblades. Way to f**king alienate your fanbase by making the predator start with 1 weapon that isn't even a weapon at all. I don't care how balanced it is, limiting the predator to pick ups, and recharge points that can be destroyed? This is f**king pissing me off.

Chill out. For one thing, Predators are now more flexible than they've ever been:

- Prejump
- Energy-free cloak
- Ability to keep melee weapons deployed and use them simultaneously to other weapons

Even AvP2, with class weapons turned off, only started the Predator with wristblades and the plasma caster.

I'm interested to hear of the balance mechanics. We've seen Aliens tearing it up now, so there's evidence they're not underpowered, but the question now is: why? All the game design elements revealed to us are telling of the Predator's superiority.  

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:40:19 PM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
Dude, the more I learn about multiplayer the more upset I get. f**king bullshit that the predators start with just wristblades. Way to f**king alienate your fanbase by making the predator start with 1 weapon that isn't even a weapon at all. I don't care how balanced it is, limiting the predator to pick ups, and recharge points that can be destroyed? This is f**king pissing me off.

Chill out. For one thing, Predators are now more flexible than they've ever been:

- Prejump
- Energy-free cloak
- Ability to keep melee weapons deployed and use them simultaneously to other weapons

Even AvP2, with class weapons turned off, only started the Predator with wristblades and the plasma caster.

I'm interested to hear of the balance mechanics. We've seen Aliens tearing it up now, so there's evidence they're not underpowered, but the question now is: why? All the game design elements revealed to us are telling of the Predator's superiority.  

Oh god, a jump ability and the cloak that's so awesome.  I don't care if the wristblades were the most powerful weapon in the game, starting with 1 weapon is utter bullshit. Even the marine gets a pistol. Predator is limited to some large melee brute that has to scrounge for weapons and then when he runs out of energy is f**ked because the recharge boxes can be destroyed. Woo. Unlike alien class which starts with every ability and weapon and the ability to crawl on walls. It's like they limited the marine and predator just for shits and giggles. Making them a joke to play.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:44:38 PM
Oh god, a jump ability and the cloak that's so awesome.

They are, when you factor in that in AvP1, the cloak was limited by being absolutely useless in multiplayer and in AvP2 it took up energy and was still interrupted by many weapons. This time around, it takes up no energy, can be reapplied very quickly and is almost flawless. Probably the best it's ever been.

As for the jump, what's not to like? Its tactical applications are excellent, since most Marines won't even think of looking toward good perch locations.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:44:38 PMI don't care if the wristblades were the most powerful weapon in the game, starting with 1 weapon is utter bullshit. Even the marine gets a pistol. Predator is limited to some large melee brute that has to scrounge for weapons and then when he runs out of energy is f**ked because the recharge boxes can be destroyed. Woo.

You aren't f**ked without energy because you have the most health and best melee attack. Not to mention that I doubt Hicks' findings are final, and it sounds like he may have been generalising based on what we've already heard and how the gameplay mechanics were set up.

And if they aren't, I'm personally looking forward to the rush towards the plasma caster locations and the hectic battles that'll ensue...

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:44:38 PMUnlike alien class which starts with every ability and weapon and the ability to crawl on walls. It's like they limited the marine and predator just for shits and giggles. Making them a joke to play.

The Alien has its own disadvantages:

- No ranged capacity whatsoever
- Low health

Those compound.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
Dude, the more I learn about multiplayer the more upset I get. f**king bullshit that the predators start with just wristblades. Way to f**king alienate your fanbase by making the predator start with 1 weapon that isn't even a weapon at all. I don't care how balanced it is, limiting the predator to pick ups, and recharge points that can be destroyed? This is f**king pissing me off.

Yep, give this man a medal.

However a way to go for the Predator and so much for Rebellion being pro-Predator!

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:44:38 PM

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:40:19 PM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:31:24 PM
Dude, the more I learn about multiplayer the more upset I get. f**king bullshit that the predators start with just wristblades. Way to f**king alienate your fanbase by making the predator start with 1 weapon that isn't even a weapon at all. I don't care how balanced it is, limiting the predator to pick ups, and recharge points that can be destroyed? This is f**king pissing me off.

Chill out. For one thing, Predators are now more flexible than they've ever been:

- Prejump
- Energy-free cloak
- Ability to keep melee weapons deployed and use them simultaneously to other weapons

Even AvP2, with class weapons turned off, only started the Predator with wristblades and the plasma caster.

I'm interested to hear of the balance mechanics. We've seen Aliens tearing it up now, so there's evidence they're not underpowered, but the question now is: why? All the game design elements revealed to us are telling of the Predator's superiority.  

Oh god, a jump ability and the cloak that's so awesome.  I don't care if the wristblades were the most powerful weapon in the game, starting with 1 weapon is utter bullshit. Even the marine gets a pistol. Predator is limited to some large melee brute that has to scrounge for weapons and then when he runs out of energy is f**ked because the recharge boxes can be destroyed. Woo. Unlike alien class which starts with every ability and weapon and the ability to crawl on walls. It's like they limited the marine and predator just for shits and giggles. Making them a joke to play.

Yes, I feel your pain and even if I was in AvP 2s MP a very good player (to my times I could beat several good players alone ;) ) and decent in AvP 1 its completely unfair to rechange the Predator once more like he was in AvP 1 but just with the difference that he now got even weaker by having no self-reliance anymore with his energy and even being unable to use his cloak anymore cause its not a Predator cloak anymore.

NOTHING that the devs would include or have already included can make those two big disadvantages up (they are vital for a balanced and competitive predator online) with exception of über weapons that kill dozens of enemies with a single shot but I highly doubt that the Predator will have such a thing cause he is not the one who has the high-destruction marine weapons.

Well we all know how Rebellion thinks about the Predator and we have seen that they have misinterpreted the Predator by quite a notch there.

I am sorry for you Weasel as well as for all the other players that want to play the Predator competitivly ... so we have to wait for Monolith to bring this game back to a competitive standard for the Predator and to regain the true Predator hunter feeling ;).

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:44:38 PM
Oh god, a jump ability and the cloak that's so awesome.

They are, when you factor in that in AvP1, the cloak was limited by being absolutely useless in multiplayer and in AvP2 it took up energy and was still interrupted by many weapons. This time around, it takes up no energy, can be reapplied very quickly and is almost flawless. Probably the best it's ever been.

As for the jump, what's not to like? Its tactical applications are excellent, since most Marines won't even think of looking toward good perch locations.

With this answer I see that you have not played AvP 2s MP much especially not considering the Predator Mada**alex. The cloak in AvP 2 in MP was very balanced and I'd dare to say nearly perfect as it was a good blend from the movies canon as well as the games balance! I say this now as a top of the line player! Why you may ask? Very simple, it allowed certain weapons including all melee weapons to be used under cloak and you never decloaked when you were hit unlike what we have seen in AvP (3). Furthermore the Speargun, the weapon of choice for top predator players around the world including me, was THE weapon for hunting at range cause it allowed you to snipe the head and instakill with a LOT of skill involved while at the same time using it as a close quarter weapon if you used tri-shot against aliens but this weapon needed skill cause unlike in AvP 1 the spears of the Speargun in AvP 2s MP had a travel time and you needed to aim a bit in front of your targets to even hit them and you can hopefully imagine how hard this gets if you want to hit a single marine at a range of +40 meters into the head while dodging alien attacks at the same time and trying to bring yourself in perfect position ;).

Very nicely made by Monolith I need to say and one big reason I liked to play the Predator online which made him in comparison to AvP 1 very competitive and at the same time way more canon!

The cloak in AvP 2s MP is way more canon and even better then the one in AvP (3) will ever be cause there even in a miss you will decloak which will render your a** very vulnerable for any high-powered weapons of the marine let alone that you lack any ranged weapons after every death in MP!

The only good thing the cloak has is that it does not consume energy but I would gladly take this "feature" away for the previous fair play that I remember and which the Predator made competitive on-line in a fast TDM with top players around!

The cloak in AvP (3) (sorry for this now) is utter c**p and the devs should be punished for this actually. However as I care for their game I tell them like for month already (if they ever read this forums) that this should be changed but it seems they do not care what top players say that know how a game should be balanced, especially if they have played the previous titles and showed their mastery!

Anyway I already said that the devs do not care for competitive play so it does not wonder me that no one of them even dares to say word against my posts which shows how wrong I actually am!

Regarding the jump mechanism we still do not know how this will work out in a big match where you will always find enemies in your wake ... so it could be useful but also your ultimate doom but this I will judge in time when I have seen a bit more, however I already now form myself an opinion regarding the new pred "crouch-leap".

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:44:38 PMI don't care if the wristblades were the most powerful weapon in the game, starting with 1 weapon is utter bullshit. Even the marine gets a pistol. Predator is limited to some large melee brute that has to scrounge for weapons and then when he runs out of energy is f**ked because the recharge boxes can be destroyed. Woo.

You aren't f**ked without energy because you have the most health and best melee attack. Not to mention that I doubt Hicks' findings are final, and it sounds like he may have been generalising based on what we've already heard and how the gameplay mechanics were set up.

And if they aren't, I'm personally looking forward to the rush towards the plasma caster locations and the hectic battles that'll ensue...

And what does this mean if the Predator has the most health and best melee attack?! Do you find this o.k. to give the Predator the most powerful melee attack while the alien is actually the one who should have this?! Well I would disagree here!

A rush towards plasma weapons ... ? ? ? Oh no the game gets worse the more I hear something like this ... sorry its not against you Mada**alex but this sounds like saying that every future top player needs to use a weapon that is not only unreliable (consumes massive amounts of energy and is useless against moving/dodging players cause the shots will inevitably miss against good players), limited (you need to find it and if the energy is away your weapon will be useless so back to the wrists ... ) and simply n00b due to its tracking characteristic and I do not care whether Xhan now says that this is just an attitude either from me personally or simply in general cause this weapon is simply not worth it to kill fast multiple enemies while at the same time being able to withstand as much punishment as possible due to being dodgeable and still "free in movement".

Well if such things ever happen Rebellion really has managed to destroy what Monolith has built up namely a comeptitive predator in MP in the AvP series. They have basically put him back to pre-AvP 2 state.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 30, 2009, 11:44:38 PMUnlike alien class which starts with every ability and weapon and the ability to crawl on walls. It's like they limited the marine and predator just for shits and giggles. Making them a joke to play.

The Alien has its own disadvantages:

- No ranged capacity whatsoever
- Low health

Those compound.

Low hp can be interpreted in a broad sense as well as the best health like you said for the predator and we will never find this out if we have no modding tools for AvP (3) where we "see" how much hp those two differ in MP like it was in AvP 2 ;). This so called low health could just be a 20 hp difference which is not much in a shooter where most weapons will kill you maybe with one to two hits apart from the trophy/execution kills.

Furthermore the Alien now has even the ability to see behind walls, which is quite o.k. for me but also a HUGE advantage it never had in the previous games and I can not imagine how this will work out in the final game cause for this we will need months to find out how this will play out and whether it will be imbalancing ... currently I tend to think that its inbetween imabalanced and balanced play. However just the future will show us this as we did not had such a completely new feature in any of the previous AvP titles.

The only real disadvantage the alien has is that it lacks ranged combat but all the other advantages easily make up for this. This accounts especially if we see that its the only species ingame that has ALL its weapons ALWAYS available due to being a natural weapon and now guys tell me is Rebellion still pro-Predator!?

As if the devs themselves would ever answer my question up there ... .

I hate the design of the alien with the fish tail and the trunk dorsal tubes and fingers, but they look pretty damn cool. But hiding will suck obviously because aliens can see behind walls. And Praetorians = Awesome. Grid alien? Not sure, but I guess if an alien got netted it would make sense.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM


They are, when you factor in that in AvP1, the cloak was limited by being absolutely useless in multiplayer and in AvP2 it took up energy and was still interrupted by many weapons. This time around, it takes up no energy, can be reapplied very quickly and is almost flawless. Probably the best it's ever been.

As for the jump, what's not to like? Its tactical applications are excellent, since most Marines won't even think of looking toward good perch locations.

Cool, entirely useless against the alien though, and only works halfway because of the motion tracker. These are cool abilities, but that's not what I'm pissed about. You make it seem like just because predators have a jump ability, cloak and strong melee that it should be compensation for having NO STARTING RANGED WEAPONS for a f**king PREDATOR. Then having to pick up said weapons. Not only that, but when the weapons are depleted they are f**king useless because the energy boxes are either getting camped or already destroyed. Making the pick ups incredibly limited.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
You aren't f**ked without energy because you have the most health and best melee attack. Not to mention that I doubt Hicks' findings are final, and it sounds like he may have been generalising based on what we've already heard and how the gameplay mechanics were set up.

And if they aren't, I'm personally looking forward to the rush towards the plasma caster locations and the hectic battles that'll ensue...

Haha, your the only one then.  Having to rush to a weapon that will get camped, or already be taken by another team mate? Oh fun, now not only do I start with 1 weapon, I have to wait on a timed respawn of the weapon to even pick it up. And where are you getting this "best melee attack" deal? Everyone knows that a skilled alien that utilizes good speed and attacks will kill a predator in a melee battle. Otherwise aliens would be entirely useless.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
The Alien has its own disadvantages:

- No ranged capacity whatsoever
- Low health

Those compound.

-Fastest
-Wall see hack
-Wall climb
-Leap
-Starting with full arsenal

vs

-Most Health
-1 weapon
-Limited energy
-Jump ability

It's a f**king spit in the face to predator fans that actually like predators for what they are, skilled hunters with future tech. Having pick ups in the game isn't just only an extremely dated formula, but means that the gameplay revolves around the spots that generate the weapons. Aliens get to start with everything, while Marines and Preds have to look for their weapons and constantly be worrying about ammo supply and energy. While the aliens can simply focus on playing the game.

I've played games with pick ups vs games where you start with the weapons. It then rewards players that know and constantly hover around the respawn areas and make it harder for new players to know whats up so you get retarded team mates that run around with cloak on slashing at everything that moves. I mean, seriously, starting with wristblades and having to find and pick up weapons is the best they could come up with? The "Balance" is limiting predators and marines while letting the aliens have everything? How is this fair? I know you don't give a shit because all you will play is the alien through most of the game, but I think we should get more of well rounded character to play in multi and not just some Juggernaut with wristblades.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 12:06:46 AM
Cool, entirely useless against the alien though, and only works halfway because of the motion tracker. These are cool abilities, but that's not what I'm pissed about. You make it seem like just because predators have a jump ability, cloak and strong melee that it should be compensation for having NO STARTING RANGED WEAPONS for a f**king PREDATOR. Then having to pick up said weapons. Not only that, but when the weapons are depleted they are f**king useless because the energy boxes are either getting camped or already destroyed. Making the pick ups incredibly limited.

Energy boxes repair themselves, I believe, and if the area is being camped, it honestly just makes it easier for you to know the enemy's position.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 12:06:46 AMHaha, your the only one then.  Having to rush to a weapon that will get camped, or already be taken by another team mate? Oh fun, now not only do I start with 1 weapon, I have to wait on a timed respawn of the weapon to even pick it up. And where are you getting this "best melee attack" deal? Everyone knows that a skilled alien that utilizes good speed and attacks will kill a predator in a melee battle. Otherwise aliens would be entirely useless.

Rebellion's own word. From the videos we've seen, too, Predators kill Aliens in two light melee attacks.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 12:06:46 AM
-Fastest
-Wall see hack
-Wall climb
-Leap
-Starting with full arsenal

vs

-Most Health
-1 weapon
-Limited energy
-Jump ability

And despite this, Predators were topping the games we've seen so far. Also note that most Predator players from the videos we've seen rarely touched any weapon that wasn't the wristblades, despite beginning with all of them.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 12:06:46 AMIt's a f**king spit in the face to predator fans that actually like predators for what they are, skilled hunters with future tech. Having pick ups in the game isn't just only an extremely dated formula, but means that the gameplay revolves around the spots that generate the weapons. Aliens get to start with everything, while Marines and Preds have to look for their weapons and constantly be worrying about ammo supply and energy. While the aliens can simply focus on playing the game.

The Marine pulse rifle is likely to be the most flexible weapon in the game and the Marine begins with over 300 rounds of ammo for it.

Besides, you still have future tech - the cloak and mask.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 12:06:46 AMI've played games with pick ups vs games where you start with the weapons. It then rewards players that know and constantly hover around the respawn areas and make it harder for new players to know whats up so you get retarded team mates that run around with cloak on slashing at everything that moves. I mean, seriously, starting with wristblades and having to find and pick up weapons is the best they could come up with? The "Balance" is limiting predators and marines while letting the aliens have everything? How is this fair?

Nothing wrong with Marine pulse rifle. Using anything else is just personal preference, unless it's the smartgun, apparently.

We'll have to see about the spawn zones, but I highly doubt there will only be one caster spawn area on a map. As long as you approach the zones knowing that they'll probably be camped (like any tactically significant area in any game), you can preempt attacks.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 12:06:46 AMI know you don't give a shit because all you will play is the alien through most of the game, but I think we should get more of well rounded character to play in multi and not just some Juggernaut with wristblades.

Actually, I'm looking forward to playing the Predator almost as much as the Alien, which says a lot given I'm not a big fan of the Predator. If anything, in the previous games he resembled playing a human too much and this is the first time that actually using the movies as an example of how to play the Predator will be viable.

If it were down to my decision, I'd have the Predator spawn with his plasma caster, but not having it at spawn isn't the end of the world.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 12:06:46 AM

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM


They are, when you factor in that in AvP1, the cloak was limited by being absolutely useless in multiplayer and in AvP2 it took up energy and was still interrupted by many weapons. This time around, it takes up no energy, can be reapplied very quickly and is almost flawless. Probably the best it's ever been.

As for the jump, what's not to like? Its tactical applications are excellent, since most Marines won't even think of looking toward good perch locations.

Cool, entirely useless against the alien though, and only works halfway because of the motion tracker. These are cool abilities, but that's not what I'm pissed about. You make it seem like just because predators have a jump ability, cloak and strong melee that it should be compensation for having NO STARTING RANGED WEAPONS for a f**king PREDATOR. Then having to pick up said weapons. Not only that, but when the weapons are depleted they are f**king useless because the energy boxes are either getting camped or already destroyed. Making the pick ups incredibly limited.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
You aren't f**ked without energy because you have the most health and best melee attack. Not to mention that I doubt Hicks' findings are final, and it sounds like he may have been generalising based on what we've already heard and how the gameplay mechanics were set up.

And if they aren't, I'm personally looking forward to the rush towards the plasma caster locations and the hectic battles that'll ensue...

Haha, your the only one then.  Having to rush to a weapon that will get camped, or already be taken by another team mate? Oh fun, now not only do I start with 1 weapon, I have to wait on a timed respawn of the weapon to even pick it up. And where are you getting this "best melee attack" deal? Everyone knows that a skilled alien that utilizes good speed and attacks will kill a predator in a melee battle. Otherwise aliens would be entirely useless.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 30, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
The Alien has its own disadvantages:

- No ranged capacity whatsoever
- Low health

Those compound.

-Fastest
-Wall see hack
-Wall climb
-Leap
-Starting with full arsenal

vs

-Most Health
-1 weapon
-Limited energy
-Jump ability

It's a f**king spit in the face to predator fans that actually like predators for what they are, skilled hunters with future tech. Having pick ups in the game isn't just only an extremely dated formula, but means that the gameplay revolves around the spots that generate the weapons. Aliens get to start with everything, while Marines and Preds have to look for their weapons and constantly be worrying about ammo supply and energy. While the aliens can simply focus on playing the game.

I've played games with pick ups vs games where you start with the weapons. It then rewards players that know and constantly hover around the respawn areas and make it harder for new players to know whats up so you get retarded team mates that run around with cloak on slashing at everything that moves. I mean, seriously, starting with wristblades and having to find and pick up weapons is the best they could come up with? The "Balance" is limiting predators and marines while letting the aliens have everything? How is this fair? I know you don't give a shit because all you will play is the alien through most of the game, but I think we should get more of well rounded character to play in multi and not just some Juggernaut with wristblades.

Guys give this man a medal, he knows what he talks about.

Well put there :).

By the way I am a top player that plays ALL species to almost near perfection and it will mean something when I say that the Predator is doomed thanks to having Rebellion once more at the helm ... .

The above is not meant as bragging but rather putting out facts that unfortunately show the truth and what Rebellion aims for ... .

Edit: The ideas and changes in particular to the Predator are some of the most stupid ones I have seen in my entire career in MP gaming in this series ... its actually a shame from a dev team from which I expected to have learned from their mistakes and do it this time around better but instead ... however I still do not want that their game s**ks but it will cause they do not tend to realize any of their mistakes they have done or show any signs of trying to repair what they have done to this noble Hunter ... .

Edit2: No slow energy recharge there Eidotemit but rather the sifter back and scrap the rest that is ingame, simply put. Finally take also away the idea of getting "a bit" energy after a trophy kill, this is one of the lamest things I have seen ever and rather destroys realism instead of adding to it and this is not only meant from a Predator perspective!

I think it is stupid that the predator doesn't start off with the caster, that seems like it should be standard. Also, the energy should slowly replenish.

I don't mind pick-ups for other things though, that seems perfectly reasonable. Hell, have a bigger more powerful caster pickup in the map with the initial one being smaller and weaker.

Have the energy stations, and make it so they can be temporarily disabled, but don't make them crucial. A slow energy replenish (slow enough to deter spamming and make sure you energy attacks are reserved), with energy stations that give an instant recharge.

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I hope and wish there will be an option for weapon pickups or already having them for certain games or private matches, I mean player matches need some fun iin them too =P besides not starting out with the caster is like not having a BR in halo 3 for team slayer =\ but whatever..

Energy does slowly replenish.

It does annoy me that the pred doesn't start off with at least the shoulder cannon, peevs almost as much as the Alien not having the best melee.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 01:03:30 AM
Energy does slowly replenish.

You bet you ass it does!

...that was a test! Congratulations, you win!

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thank you?

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 12:33:59 AM


Energy boxes repair themselves, I believe, and if the area is being camped, it honestly just makes it easier for you to know the enemy's position.

Knowing the enemy position, when your out of energy? Doesn't really help your situation.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
Rebellion's own word. From the videos we've seen, too, Predators kill Aliens in two light melee attacks.

And we've seen aliens decimating predators and humans just as easily.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
And despite this, Predators were topping the games we've seen so far. Also note that most Predator players from the videos we've seen rarely touched any weapon that wasn't the wristblades, despite beginning with all of them.

They are topping because marines are underpowered and because people don't know how to play aliens. At any rate, we've seen one predator multiplayer video and that it is. He spent his time playing marine, as it shows that he has 3 marine videos and two short predator and alien videos. It's not a question of power, it's a question of not having the predator limited to simply one weapon. That the predator doesn't become a super tough melee class but actually can hunt from a range and use weapons that aren't connected to his wrists.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
The Marine pulse rifle is likely to be the most flexible weapon in the game and the Marine begins with over 300 rounds of ammo for it.

Besides, you still have future tech - the cloak and mask.

More standard of a weapon that wristblades are at least, and it's not like the cloak does as much helping as you think it does. Useless against aliens, and humans will know where you are if they are watching their motion tracker. Not only that, but it disables every time you use a weapon.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
Nothing wrong with Marine pulse rifle. Using anything else is just personal preference, unless it's the smartgun, apparently.

We'll have to see about the spawn zones, but I highly doubt there will only be one caster spawn area on a map. As long as you approach the zones knowing that they'll probably be camped (like any tactically significant area in any game), you can preempt attacks.

Weapons personal preference? Is using the alien tail as a mix up when fighting a "personal preference?" You need these weapons to last longer in these battles. The predator not starting with the plasma caster is a mockery of the predator. It's not some preference the have the iconic weapon. It's like if the marine didn't start with the pulse rifle or the alien couldn't use its tail.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
Actually, I'm looking forward to playing the Predator almost as much as the Alien, which says a lot given I'm not a big fan of the Predator. If anything, in the previous games he resembled playing a human too much and this is the first time that actually using the movies as an example of how to play the Predator will be viable.

If it were down to my decision, I'd have the Predator spawn with his plasma caster, but not having it at spawn isn't the end of the world.

True that the jump mechanic adds a new level of predator depth, I doubt you'll get that same feeling from the MP as you'd get from the SP. The SP you get access you all the weapons, especially the plasma caster. I expect the SP to be incredible for all species, because it's not lacking in any aspect. It's not taking away your weapons for "balance" purposes. Not having the plasma caster just shows what Rebellion is trying to make of the series. A weak marine, and turning the predator into a mindless melee juggernaut.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 02:06:29 AM
Knowing the enemy position, when your out of energy? Doesn't really help your situation.

Yes it does, because cloaking doesn't require energy so you can still sneak up on Marines and your melee is better than Alien melee so you can defeat them, too, if you don't let them sneak up on you. 

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 02:06:29 AMAnd we've seen aliens decimating predators and humans just as easily.

Mostly from behind. As for front-on battles, Predators have mostly dominated those.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 02:06:29 AMThey are topping because marines are underpowered and because people don't know how to play aliens. At any rate, we've seen one predator multiplayer video and that it is. He spent his time playing marine, as it shows that he has 3 marine videos and two short predator and alien videos.

Actually, those are just Hicks' videos. There's a fair few others that have leaked depicting multiplayer battles from the perspectives of all the species.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 02:06:29 AMIt's not a question of power, it's a question of not having the predator limited to simply one weapon. That the predator doesn't become a super tough melee class but actually can hunt from a range and use weapons that aren't connected to his wrists.

The Predator isn't super-tough anymore, though. It's become both more agile and more mortal, relying on clever positioning and time management to make kills.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 02:06:29 AMMore standard of a weapon that wristblades are at least, and it's not like the cloak does as much helping as you think it does. Useless against aliens, and humans will know where you are if they are watching their motion tracker. Not only that, but it disables every time you use a weapon.

Humans won't know if you're a hiding Alien or invisible Pred, though, and therefore can't react appropriately to your presence. Decloaking after an attack is meant to be punishment if you mess up.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 02:06:29 AMWeapons personal preference? Is using the alien tail as a mix up when fighting a "personal preference?" You need these weapons to last longer in these battles. The predator not starting with the plasma caster is a mockery of the predator. It's not some preference the have the iconic weapon. It's like if the marine didn't start with the pulse rifle or the alien couldn't use its tail.

I was talking about Marine weapons rather than anything general. What I meant to say was that, apart from the smartgun, it doesn't look like any Marine weapon is really any better than the pulse rifle, so they aren't disadvantaged at all.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 02:06:29 AMTrue that the jump mechanic adds a new level of predator depth, I doubt you'll get that same feeling from the MP as you'd get from the SP. The SP you get access you all the weapons, especially the plasma caster. I expect the SP to be incredible for all species, because it's not lacking in any aspect. It's not taking away your weapons for "balance" purposes. Not having the plasma caster just shows what Rebellion is trying to make of the series. A weak marine, and turning the predator into a mindless melee juggernaut.

It isn't mindless, because you can't afford to be mindless. With your new vulnerability to attacks, you have to be sure of what you're doing. No going in blades flailing.

Just because you start with one weapon doesn't mean there's only one approach to the situation. The Predator is massively flexible, so if you take advantage of that, you'll see options open up to you even without extra weapons. Especially against Marines.

Guys what we see from the Expo are videos that depict a somewhat "linear model" cause you will never have the dynamics of thousand players online with various different backgrounds duking it out in various MP modes and or various ways of combat!

This even more so is correct cause currently no one over there can consider himself already to be a top end gamer so any talk about saying a Predator wins currently in head on fights with aliens in most cases, is kind of redundant cause this will only show when the game starts up to show its broad arsenal of MP options for the wide masses out there in big servers with up to 18 players! The longer the server game time is per level the more it will show for whom of the three species the game leans more too and the longer the game is out the faster we will get better at it and the faster there will "pop-up" good players that really can determine what is correct and what not!

However with the current course of action that Rebellion is doing I as well as every non-braindead dude can assure you that this game is not heading a good way in MP. Actually it is heading a quite similar way in MP that it originated from namely AvP 1 cause quite frankly the devs have made a better gfx'ed AvP 1 with the latest installment. At this point we ALL need to be dead honest and say how much loved this MP was in the first installment of the series namely AvP 1s MP and how it worked for the Predator and fared in general in comparison to the MP of AvP 2. Well, we all know the answer to this, don't we?!

Obviously AvP 2 earned the lions share there due to being way more predator friendly while at the same time trying to keep the balance in mix with canon as good and fair as possible with ALL three species - and all this including corps, which we could consider as an additional difficult task for the overall balancing (with some exceptions like stunning which I personally also disliked but the devs @ Monolith at least made the game enjoyable from ALL sides while the latest installment will definitly not go this way!).

There is no denying in that and currently I see the game as rather half-made instead of already polished and ready to be released in the MP part (either in form of a MP demo or the retail game) cause if this game would be released by Rebellion they would just have made the Predator a second time useless and certainly not used that much and thats exactly what would happen! Not a good and certainly not wise course of action if we consider that there will be quite a few Predator fans out there that want their race to be used as much like it is depicted in the movies as possible if the balance allows, though of course the Predator should NOT be exactly like in the movies cause then he would always win but he should be very carefully balanced and those guys from the balancing team should think about nearly every consequence when they add and or delete something, especially regarding the Predator cause he is somewhat the most complex character to be used via MP.

However they have rather scrapped this careful course of action and used the nerf bat simply to tone him down with the argumentation of making him more tactical to use which some of you seem to believe but the problem is that no one actually seems to notice that the Predator is going nowhere this way cause NO serious player will use him ANYMORE in MP cause its simply imbalanced instead of challenging and way more frustruated then fun to play him!

This what I wrote in the previous sentence will especially show itself the more top players rise!

Anyway its Rebellions sales not mine that will quite certainly be diminished when the game hits the shelves but how many times did I say this ... .

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 31, 2009, 03:10:40 AM
At this point we ALL need to be dead honest and say how much loved this MP was in the first installment of the series namely AvP 1s MP and how it worked for the Predator and fared in general in comparison to the MP of AvP 2. Well, we all know the answer to this, don't we?!

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 31, 2009, 03:10:40 AMthough of course the Predator should NOT be exactly like in the movies cause then he would always win

Nothing personal, because you're a good dude and I enjoy debating with you, but you're ridiculously biased concerning this.

Nothing in the Predator or Alien vs Predator movies suggest that a Predator should outright defeat either the Aliens or Marines outright.

In AvP2, Predators absolutely dominated. That was not balance.

Quote from: PrimalDragon on Oct 31, 2009, 12:54:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SNGRQDLg8Q

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Woah nice find thats great quality best marine footage so far

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 03:23:33 AM

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 31, 2009, 03:10:40 AM
At this point we ALL need to be dead honest and say how much loved this MP was in the first installment of the series namely AvP 1s MP and how it worked for the Predator and fared in general in comparison to the MP of AvP 2. Well, we all know the answer to this, don't we?!

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 31, 2009, 03:10:40 AMthough of course the Predator should NOT be exactly like in the movies cause then he would always win

Nothing personal, because you're a good dude and I enjoy debating with you, but you're ridiculously biased concerning this.

Nothing in the Predator or Alien vs Predator movies suggest that a Predator should outright defeat either the Aliens or Marines outright.

In AvP2, Predators absolutely dominated. That was not balance.

No, I am not biased but I just tell you from my personal experience regarding the predecessor games to what we have seen in the latest installment.

But if you think that a Predator absolutely dominated in AvP 2, then you have not met good human players that now how to use the sniper, pulse or Minigun in skillful excellence ;) - or any good Predalien/Runner player for that matter ;). As you see I count for marine at least three quite skillful weapons up which all are used in MP, one more one less but it seems for me that in the latest installment the Pulse will be the one to go but there I could of course be very wrong ... just the future will tell us how it will work out, unfortunately til then the game will already be doomed ... cause Rebellion never listens to us!

When I go into servers like Insanity or Ravens Nest I rarely see Predator players in the top of the scoring board (mostly humans or aliens - go yourself to those server and you will see and experience yourself what I mean) and even if they are cause a very good player plays them then it is still very hard and a difficult task for him to keep the Predator still up in the scoring board cause the others can frag as fast as the one top Predator can do ;).

You know its not only to get up there but also to keep yourself in the top position for the entire length of the servers current MP map and this can sometimes mean especially as Predator an extraordinary amount of top skill being used non-stop while marines can have it easier, although even need to use quite a lot of skill to keep up but they have more direct damage weapons which make the job a little easier and the alien, ... well just stun him and dodge his attacks while your pounce and or claws do the rest and he is gone ;).

This comes from someone who knows this and have experienced it hundreds of times in various servers either from myself or from other players, with multiple good clan players around ;).

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 02:37:43 AM
Knowing the enemy position, when your out of energy? Doesn't really help your situation.

Yes it does, because cloaking doesn't require energy so you can still sneak up on Marines and your melee is better than Alien melee so you can defeat them, too, if you don't let them sneak up on you.  



Not going to help if you are nearly dead and are out of energy and can't heal yourself.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 02:37:43 AM

Mostly from behind. As for front-on battles, Predators have mostly dominated those.

Haha, you've obviously not been watching the videos. We see a predator get owned head on with a few well aimed strikes of an alien.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 02:37:43 AM

Actually, those are just Hicks' videos. There's a fair few others that have leaked depicting multiplayer battles from the perspectives of all the species.

I'd like to see those, because all I've seen of pred multiplayer is what Hicks has shown and told us from his first hand experience.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 02:37:43 AM

The Predator isn't super-tough anymore, though. It's become both more agile and more mortal, relying on clever positioning and time management to make kills.

How? All I see is people tromping around using melee and that's how the predator is portrayed now. A big brute with lots of health and a good melee. There is no skill and tact to starting with only a melee weapon.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 02:37:43 AM

Humans won't know if you're a hiding Alien or invisible Pred, though, and therefore can't react appropriately to your presence. Decloaking after an attack is meant to be punishment if you mess up.

Like I said, imbalance. And again an imbalance on the predator side. Canonically predators shouldn't decloak after attacking, and whats more its not a "punishment" for "messing up" usually it takes more than one shot/hit to kill something. Cloaking is rebellions idiotic idea of "balance" and they've even commented on this.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 02:37:43 AM

I was talking about Marine weapons rather than anything general. What I meant to say was that, apart from the smartgun, it doesn't look like any Marine weapon is really any better than the pulse rifle, so they aren't disadvantaged at all.

Uh, I'm sure every Marine would rather be holding a flame thrower rather than a smartgun. They're disadvantaged already with the lack of execution kills, lower life than predator, no agility (cannot jump to escape like predator or crawl like alien) and don't have as advanced vision mode. Look at that most recent marine video. He gets f**king slaughtered.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 02:37:43 AM

It isn't mindless, because you can't afford to be mindless. With your new vulnerability to attacks, you have to be sure of what you're doing. No going in blades flailing.

Just because you start with one weapon doesn't mean there's only one approach to the situation. The Predator is massively flexible, so if you take advantage of that, you'll see options open up to you even without extra weapons. Especially against Marines.

Obviously smart players will use the jump to their advantage, but this game isn't going to be filled with veterans. We're all starting out as noobs, and average players are going to play the game like it's made. A predator, with only melee, and then having to search for weapons. Sure you can be a mindless newbie. Predators got health, and "the most powerful melee" (something you've yet to shown anyone the source on, but swear it to be the utmost truth). Limiting the predator to another simple melee alien akin to the xenomorph.

Can you use less smileys Tomar. Having them in EVERY paragraph is unnecessary. Sorry it just gets irritating. Anyways as to what I have seen in the videos I think we should wait until we see some more experienced people playing. I do not think most of the gamers playing could get used to the balance and enemies of the game quick enough.

Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:34 AM
Can you use less smileys Tomar. Having them in EVERY paragraph is unnecessary. Sorry it just gets irritating. Anyways as to what I have seen in the videos I think we should wait until we see some more experienced people playing. I do not think most of the gamers playing could get used to the balance and enemies of the game quick enough.

Sorry Chris.

Yep I agree with you here but if we wait to long (as if it is not already too late) the less of a chance will be there for any vital change cause the changes need to be done NOW or should I say since 2 months as we first saw the Predator in the E3 walkthrough.

Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:34 AM
Can you use less smileys Tomar. Having them in EVERY paragraph is unnecessary. Sorry it just gets irritating. Anyways as to what I have seen in the videos I think we should wait until we see some more experienced people playing. I do not think most of the gamers playing could get used to the balance and enemies of the game quick enough.

Agreed.

I think you can't get a good preview of the game by sitting down for 1--15 minutes and playing despite having little to no grasp. As Xhan said it seems like a lot of the marine players were running around like they were in Unreal Tournament 3 when they should have been finding areas where they could bottle neck and easily track their enemies without getting ganked from behind.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AM
Not going to help if you are nearly dead and are out of energy and can't heal yourself.

Gotta die sometime.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMHaha, you've obviously not been watching the videos. We see a predator get owned head on with a few well aimed strikes of an alien.

I'd like to see those, because all I've seen of pred multiplayer is what Hicks has shown and told us from his first hand experience.

Predator Vid. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZry50PMJ8)
Marine Vid. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sboevCyvDDE)
Marine Vid 2. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSv9kkXsk48)
Alien Vid. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw)
Marine Vid 3. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SNGRQDLg8Q)

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMHow? All I see is people tromping around using melee and that's how the predator is portrayed now. A big brute with lots of health and a good melee. There is no skill and tact to starting with only a melee weapon.

You don't see the Alien players using the wallcrawl to much advantage, either, and you don't see Marine players using the motion tracker much. It's not Rebellion's fault that most of the people who played weren't taking into account the possibilities of each species.

Either way, tromping around using melee is a step up from taking a static position and becoming a plasma turret as was often the case in AvP2.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMLike I said, imbalance. And again an imbalance on the predator side. Canonically predators shouldn't decloak after attacking, and whats more its not a "punishment" for "messing up" usually it takes more than one shot/hit to kill something. Cloaking is rebellions idiotic idea of "balance" and they've even commented on this.

You can kill Marines in one hit.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMUh, I'm sure every Marine would rather be holding a flame thrower rather than a smartgun. They're disadvantaged already with the lack of execution kills, lower life than predator, no agility (cannot jump to escape like predator or crawl like alien) and don't have as advanced vision mode. Look at that most recent marine video. He gets f**king slaughtered.

Yes, because the game is designed to reward Marines for squad tactics and teamwork. Too many Aliens or Predators together get in each-other's way, but multiple Marines can compound their firepower much more easily with much less hassle.

For the record, Rebellion have said that the smartgun is the best Marine weapon in the game, bar none.

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMObviously smart players will use the jump to their advantage, but this game isn't going to be filled with veterans. We're all starting out as noobs, and average players are going to play the game like it's made. A predator, with only melee, and then having to search for weapons. Sure you can be a mindless newbie. Predators got health, and "the most powerful melee" (something you've yet to shown anyone the source on, but swear it to be the utmost truth). Limiting the predator to another simple melee alien akin to the xenomorph.

The Xenomorph is about agility and decisiveness more than melee, it seems. The Predator actually takes a different approach to fighting each species.  

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 04:08:25 AM
The Xenomorph is about agility and decisiveness more than melee, it seems. The Predator actually takes a different approach to fighting each species.  

phrase it however you want, but the alien is ALL about melee

Melee is how it delivers damage.

Agility and decisiveness is how it maintains effectiveness.

Teamwork will not save the marines in the TDM/DM modes.

And also, we see a lot of insta kills. Looks a lot like the AvP2 sniper, just at closer range.
Alien pounce seems to be less powerful, distance wise. I'm sure all the alien players enjoyed this alien ability.

And I thought that the pounce was cool.

I like the new pounce. Being context-sensitive prevents it from being used as a mode of transport.

Why shouldn't it be used as a mode of transport?
Being "long range" makes up for the lack of ranged alien attacks etc...

... which should be a disadvantage that the Alien retains.

From the videos we see, not only is the Alien blindingly fast, but it hides very well. There's nothing underpowered about it losing the pounce, especially given its ability to get one-hit kills.

Everyone is faster now, with the sprint, not like the aliens tho. And preds have one hit kills too.

The alien pounce is/was a very important ability, but they have dome so much sh*t with the game so its what ever from now on. Won't really matter if we don't get dedicated servers.

The Alien pounce was important because of how slow they were and because they couldn't hide effectively.

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 29, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
Hicks,

in one video you did, a predator was going to stealth kill another predator. However it ended before the execution. Were there different kill animations for pred vs pred? Also does the Pred have a kill animation like that of the alien where u grab the tail?

To be honest, I can't really remember all the individual ones. That was the only Alien being grabbed by a tail I saw.

QuoteI'm curious on how the stealth kills will be played out....can you interrupt a stealth kill? If so...

I don't think so. Stealth kills you have to be behind the enemy for, so if you're constantly moving it'll be harder for them to perform. Trophy kills are when you're health is weakened to a significant amount.

QuoteDo you take damage while the stealth kill continues to go on?

Sorry, I don't know. I'll try and find out.

QuoteCan you stealth kill someone that just stealth killed another? effectively creating a steatlh kill train.... and you can't do nething about it because they will stealth kill from behind u.

I reckon you can.

While Hicks is here, I suppose:

Any word on the headbite and how it works? I imagine it's the equivalent of a trophy kill, if it was in the demo at all.

I can see why it wouldn't be in, though. Since the Alien regenerates all the time, it's not necessary.

Didn't see it used unfortunately.  :-\

Ah well. Thanks anyway.

I was there for over 3 hours but as you can imagine what I only saw was a fraction of the game.

Wouldn't have it any other way.

If an unfinished version of the game can satisfy a fan for three hours straight, I imagine the finished game is going to be quite pleasing.

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5B4VU0YoBw) video yet, it's some reasonable quality alien footage.

Something I noticed is that you don't always have to get into close proximity to perform a stealth kill- there are several instances in that video where the alien instantly leaps 15 feet & kills someone from behind.

it was posted already.

Just a heads up, if you're about to ask if a video has been posted, it might be a good idea to check "The Official Video Thread" in the stickies or the first page of this thread.

Some more videos courtesy of AvP.net:

Predator Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpgBvfZBGEo) (9m 37s)
Alien Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4G9e4czNY) (3m 51s)
Marine Footage 2 Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZl6tkqP7-c) (4m 47s)

Can someone upload these videos to the Media Gallery?
Youtube doesn't work for me (my internet company blocked it because everytime I got on Youtube, the internet in my area would slow down)...

Quote from: Galliruler on Oct 31, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
Can someone upload these videos to the Media Gallery?
Youtube doesn't work for me (my internet company blocked it because everytime I got on Youtube, the internet in my area would slow down)...

Oh, that's indeed worrying. Do they allow you to download them using something this? http://keepvid.com/

Quote from: Darkness on Oct 31, 2009, 02:32:36 PM
Some more videos courtesy of AvP.net:

Predator Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpgBvfZBGEo) (9m 37s)
Alien Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4G9e4czNY) (3m 51s)
Marine Footage 2 Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZl6tkqP7-c) (4m 47s)

:o The Predator looks like he's got normal P1gloved hands and not those chubby AVP ones.
And the whristblades look also as the one from P1. 8), probably an MP model I think,

Quote from: ikarop on Oct 31, 2009, 02:51:22 PM

Quote from: Galliruler on Oct 31, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
Can someone upload these videos to the Media Gallery?
Youtube doesn't work for me (my internet company blocked it because everytime I got on Youtube, the internet in my area would slow down)...

Oh, that's indeed worrying. Do they allow you to download them using something this? http://keepvid.com/

Oooo, apparently, it's not blocked.
Thanks!  ;D

Celtic predator skin in Marine gameplay at 1:28 8).

Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Oct 31, 2009, 02:51:56 PM

Quote from: Darkness on Oct 31, 2009, 02:32:36 PM
Some more videos courtesy of AvP.net:

Predator Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpgBvfZBGEo) (9m 37s)
Alien Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4G9e4czNY) (3m 51s)
Marine Footage 2 Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZl6tkqP7-c) (4m 47s)

Celtic predator skin in Marine gameplay at 1:28.

In that Marine gameplay?

Quote from: Galliruler on Oct 31, 2009, 03:10:27 PM

Quote from: ~Ezio~ on Oct 31, 2009, 02:51:56 PM

Quote from: Darkness on Oct 31, 2009, 02:32:36 PM
Some more videos courtesy of AvP.net:

Predator Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpgBvfZBGEo) (9m 37s)
Alien Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4G9e4czNY) (3m 51s)
Marine Footage 2 Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZl6tkqP7-c) (4m 47s)

Celtic predator skin in Marine gameplay at 1:28.

In that Marine gameplay?

Yup

Not to mention you can see the Praetorian at the begining.

predalien/praetorian/other new alien skin at 0:35 in marine vid


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damn aeus beat me to it

Yeah, that's the Praetorian.  :)

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj241%2FRabbit2100%2Fpratoriean.jpg&hash=4305e080e5f35a89a159a9532175f4d393022b8a)
screen taken from 4:02

in my opinion, i think it looks great, and the way it moves is perfect, not so sluggish and bulky like in AvP2 :)


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celtics mask
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Love the crest.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 04:08:25 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMHow? All I see is people tromping around using melee and that's how the predator is portrayed now. A big brute with lots of health and a good melee. There is no skill and tact to starting with only a melee weapon.

You don't see the Alien players using the wallcrawl to much advantage, either, and you don't see Marine players using the motion tracker much. It's not Rebellion's fault that most of the people who played weren't taking into account the possibilities of each species.

Either way, tromping around using melee is a step up from taking a static position and becoming a plasma turret as was often the case in AvP2.

Well this is what I meant with "linear model" of course no one will use this or that currently in the game cause its their first time to play the game and all players just want to "experience the new game" ... . If the game is out then all (I hope) will try to play with more thought put in ... you know its like giving a small child their birthday present in form of a small car. The first thing they will do is immediately play around and crash it against a wall for example or any other thing that has not much sense or is not put a lot of thought in but later on when the child gets used to it the child will try to put more thought into it as it realizes that its a car and you can make your own stories about what this car should experience, its called constructivism.

Regarding the AvP 2 being a plasma turret, which is according to you a step back in comparison to a now melee ONLY start that does not give you a lot of tactic whatsoever and certainly can get quickly boring, is totally wrong cause when you tried to be a "plasma turret" in AvP 2 you have drawn your energy very quickly and when you were out it was over although you could recharge it in a few secs but if you did it in an open field like it suggest you were simply dead. Furthermore against any competent player you would not even have the chance to fire one of your plasma shots cause the tracker was seen miles away even in the darkest levels like bunker and or reservoir (especially in dark levels due to obvious reasons) and when you were seen you already had a sniper bullet ripping your head or your leg into pieces ;). The Plasmacaster did not one-hit kill in comparison to the marine sniper which always did it independently where you hit and just the heavy pred and Preatorian managed to survive one shot of it as long as it was not a headshot! Finally no good player with a brain used a Plasmacaster online cause he first off would just decloak himself and secondly would make himself a big target for anyone, while having a weapon which shots can be dodged quite easily - if you knew how to - and that was a major drawback ... just nubs or unserious players used those weapons in clan servers!

Why do I even tell this when I have done this over and over again I ask myself in here and people still do not listen ... . Man this can sometimes be annoying. However simply put, being a plasma turret is your certain death before you even fire ONE shot, cause you will be punished in AvP 2 for being a n00b player! Sounds harsh yes but good players expect from you to grow up and learn and not play your entire life with a n00b weapon ;).

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 04:08:25 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMLike I said, imbalance. And again an imbalance on the predator side. Canonically predators shouldn't decloak after attacking, and whats more its not a "punishment" for "messing up" usually it takes more than one shot/hit to kill something. Cloaking is rebellions idiotic idea of "balance" and they've even commented on this.

You can kill Marines in one hit.

Yep, those one hit kills will also be kind of stupid especially in close combat. In AvP 2, already quite a lot of newbies always were set up as soon as some good players used the sniper, cause they knew they had no chance from that time on if they not managed to get considerably better in no time, which never really happened. Now we have melee one hit kills and if this will not frustruate people I do not know what will!

Furthermore this games approach is more newbie then that of AvP 2 cause in AvP 2 you at least had a chance to fight an instense battle against an alien with your wrists but now it will result in who hits who first!

This is what you want to protect with your arguements Mada**alex? ? ?

Have you never felt the tension of a battle where you as an alien fought against a top predator and he hit you hard as well as you him and the battle seemed like an eternity in AvP 2s MP until one did a final error that was his undoing?!

Those are the moments a lot of good players liked but now it will be mostly one-hit kills especially with those new trophy/execution kills which are a nice addition like I said but also a more newbier approach so that even weak players have a chance to land a frag in a match, which is like I said o.k. but you probably and hopefully realize what I mean with this here.

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 04:08:25 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMUh, I'm sure every Marine would rather be holding a flame thrower rather than a smartgun. They're disadvantaged already with the lack of execution kills, lower life than predator, no agility (cannot jump to escape like predator or crawl like alien) and don't have as advanced vision mode. Look at that most recent marine video. He gets f**king slaughtered.

Yes, because the game is designed to reward Marines for squad tactics and teamwork. Too many Aliens or Predators together get in each-other's way, but multiple Marines can compound their firepower much more easily with much less hassle.

For the record, Rebellion have said that the smartgun is the best Marine weapon in the game, bar none.

So, only the marine should be bunched up and good but predators or aliens should not ... they should NOT have teamwork in a MP mode like TDM which will certainly (if its in) be the most competitive one ... they should NOT have the chance to use tactics like attacking from several vectors or having dedicated melee and ranged players for evening the battle by helping each other depending on the attack that is needed ... ?

If you support this what Rebellion does with its MP then you definitly support the wrong thing buddy ... .

Yep and having the smartgun as the best marine weapon is another slap to the face for any good player!

Now I am forced to use a weapon that autotracks and will leave a lot of frustruated players that will get to feel it on the opposite site ... oh yeah am I not good with using a weapon that aims for me the entire time and hits everone and everything and kills it for me by just pressing the mouse button 1?!

I feel so pro when I do this especially cause I frustruate my enemies at the same time ... yeah what a powerful feeling and d**m I'm good. Sorry for this but do you guys notice this course of action they try to create and then tell me which game is more competitive for every race the old AvP 2 from 2001 which is now nearly a decade old or the latest installment from Rebellion which took the helm again since '99 which is now from 2010?!

Then sometimes people even said that we do not want a quake-like AvP again ... god d**m you guys never played AvP 2 the way it should be played ... *shakeshead*.

Whats with the Minigun and or the pulse which both can do headshots ... shouldn't they be equal if not better for it cause they reward you with playing more skillful ... the same accounts by the way for the predator, too however we will be even more restricted with his abilties/weapons, thanks to having NO ranged weapon from the start (a big disadvantage) and even less of a chance to get his energy back (another big disadvantage) and having a cloak that is useless cause it first off decloaks him as soon as something hits him and decloaks you after every attack whether the attack hits or not does not matter (a final big disadvantage) and these three big disadvantages work universally, ... means in the entire MP as well as SP aspect of the game and this means that in MP he will be uncompetitive while in SP it will destroy the entire hunters feel you had with him when you hunted like using certain weapons under cloak and being able to constantly recharge in a matter of secs your energy.

By the way this feeling will also be missed by a LOT of players in MP of course ... it wonders me that NO one realizes this and everyone just gets along with it but what can we as customers do against this drastic changes from Rebellion ... cause quite frankly currently no one wants to do anything cause they all just look at the small glimpse of videos we have here and view the entire game through the rose-coloured glasses instead of looking behind that nice gfx cause obviously everyone "seems" to talk about gameplay but in reality does not care about it even in the slightest!

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 04:08:25 AM

Quote from: Weasel on Oct 31, 2009, 03:41:44 AMObviously smart players will use the jump to their advantage, but this game isn't going to be filled with veterans. We're all starting out as noobs, and average players are going to play the game like it's made. A predator, with only melee, and then having to search for weapons. Sure you can be a mindless newbie. Predators got health, and "the most powerful melee" (something you've yet to shown anyone the source on, but swear it to be the utmost truth). Limiting the predator to another simple melee alien akin to the xenomorph.

The Xenomorph is about agility and decisiveness more than melee, it seems. The Predator actually takes a different approach to fighting each species.  

Why should the Predator take a different approach when he should be played the way the player wants him to be played ... you know what I mean with this Mada**alex so I will not go into detail as I have talked it to death and I am annoyed of always repeating myself when people are too ignorant to see the other side of the medal, which by the way showed that the game can be very successful with this approach ... even more so than what Rebellion heads for ... .

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 09:03:50 AM
... which should be a disadvantage that the Alien retains.

From the videos we see, not only is the Alien blindingly fast, but it hides very well. There's nothing underpowered about it losing the pounce, especially given its ability to get one-hit kills.

Hiding for an alien was always possible in AvP 2s MP and that especially in levels like bunker or reservoir or even those very bright ones like stronghold or hangar but it was situational and depended a LOT on the level and thats how it should be cause the alien should not naturally blend in everywhere it likes like the Predators cloak allowed him in the MP levels.

I have already countered your arguement and that quite fast as you realize Mada**alex. As a good player you play differently then any other in AvP 2 and there are noticeable differences between an average, a good, a pro and an elite player that knows everything and has modded even the game (like me hehe ;D ;) ).

Quote from: MadassAlex on Oct 31, 2009, 10:50:05 AM
Wouldn't have it any other way.

If an unfinished version of the game can satisfy a fan for three hours straight, I imagine the finished game is going to be quite pleasing.

This is no reason there Mada**Alex ... sorry AvP 2s MP demo (not the retail game) has caught me for about 12 hours a day in ALWAYS the same level namely a lesser fate with always the same weapons for all three species and I played this amount nearly daily as I had enough time due to having holidays ;).

I think this is really no reason you brought up there and I highly doubt that the new game especially as it is very restricting and already nerfed the predators competitivness to oblivion, will be that much more amusing let alone that it will keep you for long there and everyone who knows that the devs said that they want to make DLCs realizes by now that this is a pathetic display of knowing that the game will not catch that much attention from the people world-wide due to the "natural problems" they have built in and refuse to change!

God d**m it I thought I have already learned myself (since years) that I can not change anything when I talk in a forum regarding those matters cause devs including Rebellion NEVER listen to you ... man I get dumber the more I waste my time cause NO dev will say anything against the facts I post cause they knew that I am right especially regarding talks about another dev team that has made it correctly in comparison to them!

HOLY SH*T.

That Preatorian looks badass.
And Hicks, if you would be so kind; do you think you can write a review of the map you played on?

I'm really happy they changed the predator hands in the game, I hope also for single player cause the ones that were in the old vids and screens sucked.

There's not much I can really say. Never really written map reviews.

I enjoyed 'em both but found Jungle slightly hard due it being very open and very easily accessible for the Aliens. Temple was huge and I sometimes got lost but that's due to unfamiliarity with the game.

Oh, there was two?
I thought it was just a Temple-like map.
How big were they? Was there alot of room for Predators and did it feel right for the marines to be there? Did it look like they fit in the enviroment?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 03:31:21 PM
There's not much I can really say. Never really written map reviews.

I enjoyed 'em both but found Jungle slightly hard due it being very open and very easily accessible for the Aliens. Temple was huge and I sometimes got lost but that's due to unfamiliarity with the game.

Is the Temple map both the Temple exterior and the Temple interior?

domed alien in predator gameplay at 2:41! ;D
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj241%2FRabbit2100%2Fdome.jpg&hash=a92fa67515fb1920505d217916223fb1387c74ec)
it could also possibly be a grid alien, it appears to have some kinnd of texture on the dome.

Nobody uses Pred's vision for aliens?! Rly?

Did you see that predator player - he had a disk and he didn't want to use it.....DAMN!!!

And men, it must be really hard to play with aliens on consoles....that last video gave me headaches.

Quote from: Byohzrd on Oct 31, 2009, 03:21:17 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj241%2FRabbit2100%2Fpratoriean.jpg&hash=4305e080e5f35a89a159a9532175f4d393022b8a)
screen taken from 4:02

in my opinion, i think it looks great, and the way it moves is perfect, not so sluggish and bulky like in AvP2 :)


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I like how the marine fared against the predator with the useful melee, and the praetorian looked extremely powerful

Alien vision wasn't in the demo.

No, different locations.

QuoteThe demo only featured 2 maps: Jungle and Temple. Jungle was a medium sized map set in Predator ruins in the jungle. Dark and very open, Jungle was clearly a Predator map with its many high points (focus jumping is really handy), it really allowed the Predator player to move about, gaining high ground. It was also very Alien friendly; however it was not so easy for the marine to play in.

Temple is a jack of all trades kinda map. Set in a gigantic Predator pyramid/temple, the level offered plenty of tight corridors for the marines, dark areas and plenty of walls for the Aliens to maneuver around in and high points for the Predator.  It even came complete with a huge stone Alien statue – throwback to Rebellion's 99 AvP's Alien missions maybe?

Quote from: Dzuksi on Oct 31, 2009, 03:37:25 PM
Nobody uses Pred's vision for aliens?! Rly?

Did you see that predator player - he had a disk and he didn't want to use it.....DAMN!!!

And men, it must be really hard to play with aliens on consoles....that last video gave me headaches.

The demo only had Focus Vision and Thermal/Heat Vision.
The disk probably won't be as cheap as it was in AvP2.
It looks like the Xenos will be the ones owning EVERYTHING when good players are playing them. This is actually how it should be. Xeno are the perfect organism and the most dangerous species in the universe.
On the Praetorian. I am quite impressed with its design but I am a bit worried as to how it fits in with the balancing. Is it just a skin or a Xeno player after getting enough kills... Who knows.

The disk is actually controllable, doesn't home like in AVP2.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 03:45:32 PM
The disk is actually controllable, doesn't home like in AVP2.

When you say that, what exactly do u mean? and how?

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 03:45:32 PM
The disk is actually controllable, doesn't home like in AVP2.

a la Concrete jungle style?

As in you control the flight path of the disk. I can't remember how CJs played.

I wonder if the Preatorian and Predalien can wallwalk...

The disc thing is an anti-noob weapon. Lol.
It might be had to control, or may be like Batman Asylum's remote controlled bat-a-rangs.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
As in you control the flight path of the disk. I can't remember how CJs played.

Woow, that's good weapon for experienced players!

In CJ you lock on multiple targets then throw disk and it kills them in that order .

Quote from: Galliruler on Oct 31, 2009, 03:48:41 PM
I wonder if the Preatorian and Predalien can wallwalk...

I believe they can, they are just skins after all

They might not be skins after all. If they are then thats good. BUT if they aren't I just hope they are balanced. Especially for game modes where the Xenos are teaming up.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
As in you control the flight path of the disk. I can't remember how CJs played.

Does that mean it does a dark sector type of controlling? When I Saw the disc thrown in the video it just went about its business. and also I really enjoyed seeing the alien in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4G9e4czNY stealth kill the predator. Looked just as satisfying as it happened in Alien vs predator.

Quote from: randy4321 on Oct 31, 2009, 03:58:38 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
As in you control the flight path of the disk. I can't remember how CJs played.

Does that mean it does a dark sector type of controlling? When I Saw the disc thrown in the video it just went about its business. and also I really enjoyed seeing the alien in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or4G9e4czNY stealth kill the predator. Looked just as satisfying as it happened in Alien vs predator.

I would imagine controlling the disc would be like that weapon in Dead Space that fires a disc. Also that stealth kill was awesome.

Hey Hicks, which species you had the most fun so far?

Quote from: Tomar on Oct 31, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
Hey Hicks, which species you had the most fun so far?

I think he said Marine.

Was defo marines!  :)

Aah I see, and which one was the one you had not that much fun with?

Aliens which was due to the slightly changed wall walk mechanic disorientating me at times and my unfamiliarity with the controller.

There were a good bit of glitches shown in these video's especially for the stealth kills and death ani,I really hope they fix those.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 04:09:51 PM
Was defo marines!  :)

Is Multiplayer a sound based game, like Halo? If you play Halo with music, you miss audible things, like sniper shots. Do you think you could blast music and still be a good player?

Can you point some out?

Quote from: randy4321 on Oct 31, 2009, 04:13:34 PM
There were a good bit of glitches shown in these video's especially for the stealth kills and death ani,I really hope they fix those.

Quote from: Galliruler on Oct 31, 2009, 04:14:04 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 04:09:51 PM
Was defo marines!  :)

Is Multiplayer a sound based game, like Halo? If you play Halo with music, you miss audible things, like sniper shots. Do you think you could blast music and still be a good player?

We were playing with a large crowd and it was very nosy but managed to play fine.

Goood news, Hicks.

*Imagines blasting "Devil without A Cause" by Kid Rock and raping a marine as a Alien*

EDIT:
Hicks, can you decribe and rate all the trophy kills you saw?

Afraid not. There were many and I can't really remember them all. I'll try.

There is a possible giger alien skin in the marine video at 2:40 due to to the camera its hard to see but if you look closely you can see a white smooth head im not sure completly though.

Quote from: Chaotic-Strike on Oct 31, 2009, 04:44:16 PM
There is a possible giger alien skin in the marine video at 2:40 due to to the camera its hard to see but if you look closely you can see a white smooth head im not sure completly though.

Screen capture, please?

Cant on my laptop just go to 2:40 on the marine gameplay video that celtic was in.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 10:29:34 AM

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 29, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
Hicks,

in one video you did, a predator was going to stealth kill another predator. However it ended before the execution. Were there different kill animations for pred vs pred? Also does the Pred have a kill animation like that of the alien where u grab the tail?

To be honest, I can't really remember all the individual ones. That was the only Alien being grabbed by a tail I saw.

QuoteI'm curious on how the stealth kills will be played out....can you interrupt a stealth kill? If so...

I don't think so. Stealth kills you have to be behind the enemy for, so if you're constantly moving it'll be harder for them to perform. Trophy kills are when you're health is weakened to a significant amount.

QuoteDo you take damage while the stealth kill continues to go on?

Sorry, I don't know. I'll try and find out.

QuoteCan you stealth kill someone that just stealth killed another? effectively creating a steatlh kill train.... and you can't do nething about it because they will stealth kill from behind u.

I reckon you can.

hey thanks for answering my questions hicks, your awesome :D

I personally don't think people could harm you while performing a stealth kill, when 18 ppl are playing, the stealth kills would be rendered useless cause a marine would just drop a pulse nade in, lol.

Quote from: Chaotic-Strike on Oct 31, 2009, 04:58:16 PM
Cant on my laptop just go to 2:40 on the marine gameplay video that celtic was in.

I see what you mean. But to me it looks more like the PredAlien.

Impressions,

I like the fact that they changed the pred hp to small bars for better tracking, if they could make that into a couple of tiny clusters of pred symbols, that would be absolute.

The fact that leaping stealth kills still occur kind of worries me still. I think if they want to keep the leaping stealth kill the speed of both pred and alien should be decreased by 10% (If I remember correctly, the pred still does leaping stealth kills).

HELL TO THE f**kING YEAH for the celtic pred mask. That's the first thing I will unlock in MP, It is the ultimate, IMO.

The praetorian was the image that we saw in that magazine forever ago, that we THOUGHT was the predalien. That is a beautifully done model, I don't think I would use him because since he's bigger and has the same properties as the drone, He will be at a disadvantage, even though he looks awesome. Besides that, I have no other complaints for the fact that aliens can destroy the pred energy source. I mean really....keep tying our hands behind our backs with the pred. Sucks enough that while we charge we will definently get owned. I still think energy should be a pickup. Doesn't even have to be a high energy pickup. like a quarter of the tank or something. High energy pickups could be one of the hard to get pickups. Like it's right in the center of the map where you could get raped by everyone when you go grab it, but oh well.

Besides those points, I'm loving this.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 05:03:07 PM

Quote from: Chaotic-Strike on Oct 31, 2009, 04:58:16 PM
Cant on my laptop just go to 2:40 on the marine gameplay video that celtic was in.

I see what you mean. But to me it looks more like the PredAlien.

That was the first thing that jumped into my mind when I saw it. On second view I see how it could be a predalien. More than likely its in multiplayer anyway since they made the model/skin for single player.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
Can you point some out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpgBvfZBGEo&feature=channel
Predator pops through the floor at 2:03.
Around 2:12 the predator player is sliding around like he is on ice (his legs are not moving).
5:21 the Alien's second jaw is outside of its head (does that alien also have a number on its head?)

There is also the fairly global bug of people getting respawned way too close to other players and getting torn into a second or two before they spawn.

Don't mean to pick on the game. Just a few things I saw and I'm sure other people have noticed.

Overall I think the game looks great. The stealth kills look cool and the aliens moving animations are extremely fluid looking.

Quote from: newbeing on Oct 31, 2009, 05:21:11 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
Can you point some out?

Predator pops through the floor at 2:03.
Around 2:12 the predator player is sliding around like he is on ice (his legs are not moving).
5:21 the Alien's second jaw is outside of its head (does that alien also have a number on its head?)

There is also the fairly global bug of people getting respawned way too close to other players and getting torn into a second or two before they spawn.

Don't mean to pick on the game. Just a few things I saw and I'm sure other people have noticed.

Overall I think the game looks great. The stealth kills look cool and the aliens moving animations are extremely fluid looking.

Thats the hole point of the game be'ing a work in progress, theres bound to be bugs...

damnit i watched it again and I was just kidding, the pred HP bar needs to be fixed, the energy bar is looking good though. (energy bar on left)

Quote from: GrimyGhost on Oct 31, 2009, 05:36:18 PM

Quote from: newbeing on Oct 31, 2009, 05:21:11 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
Can you point some out?

Predator pops through the floor at 2:03.
Around 2:12 the predator player is sliding around like he is on ice (his legs are not moving).
5:21 the Alien's second jaw is outside of its head (does that alien also have a number on its head?)

There is also the fairly global bug of people getting respawned way too close to other players and getting torn into a second or two before they spawn.

Don't mean to pick on the game. Just a few things I saw and I'm sure other people have noticed.

Overall I think the game looks great. The stealth kills look cool and the aliens moving animations are extremely fluid looking.

Thats the hole point of the game be'ing a work in progress, theres bound to be bugs...

True, but someone did ask about glitches. I'm sure they'll be addressed in 4 months.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=40&pos=42

Can someone PLEASE explain what's going on here?  :-\

3 way Stealth kill nice, looks to me like a pred, marine, and alien, all in a stealth kill..

On the Marine Gameplay video 4:47 at 2:26 we see a Alien creep up and pounce on a marine, the marine watching then blast the alien off of him, I do believe he stopped the trophy kill.

Also at 2:41 we see, possibly a smooth head alien, maybe giger or runner.

Quote from: newbeing on Oct 31, 2009, 05:21:11 PM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 31, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
Can you point some out?

Predator pops through the floor at 2:03.
Around 2:12 the predator player is sliding around like he is on ice (his legs are not moving).
5:21 the Alien's second jaw is outside of its head (does that alien also have a number on its head?)

There is also the fairly global bug of people getting respawned way too close to other players and getting torn into a second or two before they spawn.

Don't mean to pick on the game. Just a few things I saw and I'm sure other people have noticed.

Overall I think the game looks great. The stealth kills look cool and the aliens moving animations are extremely fluid looking.

At 2:02 another predator respawns.

Well I just saw the a stealth kill train in the pred gameplay video, lol. alien kills pred, pred kills alien, alien kills pred.

I don't remember reading about a predtech vision mode, sooo....what vision mode does a pred use to find a cloaked pred? focus? alien?

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 31, 2009, 06:38:29 PM
Well I just saw the a stealth kill train in the pred gameplay video, lol. alien kills pred, pred kills alien, alien kills pred.

I don't remember reading about a predtech vision mode, sooo....what vision mode does a pred use to find a cloaked pred? focus? alien?

Infa-red I think.

Quote from: Galliruler on Oct 31, 2009, 06:42:03 PM

Quote from: Inferno on Oct 31, 2009, 06:38:29 PM
Well I just saw the a stealth kill train in the pred gameplay video, lol. alien kills pred, pred kills alien, alien kills pred.

I don't remember reading about a predtech vision mode, sooo....what vision mode does a pred use to find a cloaked pred? focus? alien?

Infa-red I think.

I thought so as well, But the pred in the pred demo that lasts 9 minutes, kinda proved me wrong, unless the pred dissapeared out of thin air...

and which video did you see a pred throwing the smart disc?

idk if this was already asked but, are the stealth kills at random or can u sort of "pick" which one you do?

example: for the alien, is there a certain position or button u have to press to do either the throat tear or the tail stab execution?