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Title: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 07, 2016, 06:56:16 PM
We know that Harry Gregson-Williams who composed two tracks for
Prometheus is going to compose full soundtrack for Alien: Covenant.

Here are two tracks that Williams composed for Prometheus:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfBGhVWDbP4

I very much liked those two and some others Marc Streitenfeld composed,
but I want to hear more music like this:


https://youtu.be/yFPaDZc5aAk

https://youtu.be/n2O8bMlEijg

https://youtu.be/mU04EScW4rM

https://youtu.be/-iVYu5lyX5M

https://youtu.be/RlBeVrXaA-c

https://youtu.be/CJ0K4GcfPsk

https://youtu.be/wZsc8wTsxFo

https://youtu.be/d3_d1ijMYE0

https://youtu.be/vxZAsIQjBo8

What do you think what kind of music is best for Alien: Covenant? :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 07, 2016, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 07, 2016, 06:56:16 PM
I very much liked those two and some others Marc Streitenfeld composed,
but I want to hear more music like this:

Holst The Planets - Neptune, the Mystic

Fun fact: Ridley used parts of Isao Tomita's synth interpretation of Holst's, The Planets as a temp track for Alien. Ridley was also very keen on hiring Tomita to compose the entire score for Alien. Unfortunately the studio didn't want to hire someone who hadn't composed any soundtracks for films before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF_xdAkqZoA&index=7&list=PL068B4CED709798DE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF_xdAkqZoA&index=7&list=PL068B4CED709798DE)


This track (from 1:50 onwards) was played during filming for Sigourney Weaver as she was strapping herself in while preparing to blow the alien out of the airlock and during the shuttle launch sequence as a way for her to focus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsZqXdPZb8s&index=1&list=PL068B4CED709798DE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsZqXdPZb8s&index=1&list=PL068B4CED709798DE)

The computers talking to each other also influenced the opening scene of Alien when the bridge starts coming alive.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 07, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
@The Eighth Passenger

Very interesting...
Nice info! :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 13, 2016, 02:05:32 PM
Engineers use flute of god Pan (only god who died), and that flute was also used by Pythagoras (Musica universalis/music of the sphere; read his philosopy of numbers!), so we have here great symbolic imoptance ;)

This one is mystical and could be interesting to hear some background flute melodies in Engineers theme in Covenant...
I also presume and I am very sure that we are going to see someone new (ultimate creator), so I m still collecting some classical and contemporary (Electronic) music that could be very well integrated in Covenant soundtrack. I hope that Harry Gregson-Williams knows how to bring together creepy and mystical non-orchestral (organic and mechanoid hybrid sounds) tones with classical orchestral music... I liked disonant and polymorphic sounds and use of strings, bass, Glockenspiel and ominous brass and flute sections in original... so it would be nice to emphasis use of that music in Covenant because it has great philosophical and mystical note to it. I myself would introduce one or two note of organ sound because of atmospheric background that organ (organic sound of breath and universe) very well produce and then combine it with some deep (basso) choir singing one or two deep notes + all above mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtt4zytL0uE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtt4zytL0uE)

So I am speaking about combining flute or any classical music instrument and melodies from above with something like Stockhausen's artifical and mechaniud sounds:

PLAY THIS TWO TRACKS TOGETHER BUT PLAY SECOND FROM 00:06 because it starts from there, and you will hear
what I was speaking about. :)

https://youtu.be/NJfI_wwLbQs (https://youtu.be/NJfI_wwLbQs)


I will post more music melodies that I want to hear in Covenant...


P.S.
We need this music ;D
https://youtu.be/JmTKsexYWzM (https://youtu.be/JmTKsexYWzM)
https://youtu.be/tkHh4JOnjZs (https://youtu.be/tkHh4JOnjZs)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Stolen on Mar 13, 2016, 04:20:35 PM
Very good topic. I have not finished listen, but there are already some very good things. May be too predictable or conventional. It takes something more contemporary and with a cinematic approach in my opinion. Something between Alien and Prometheus, while trying something new.

I had already said, but I loved the soundtrack of Prometheus. Streitenfeld did a very good job, combining organic and mechanical sound. "Weyland" is a great theme, intimidating, strange and even disturbing. Mention to "Invitation", "Planet", "Earth" and "Space Jockey" ...

But the best is the two themes made by Harry Gregson-Williams. It was in perfect harmony with the images of the film. Wonderful, deep, human, mysterious, powerful ...
HGW is perfect choice for this.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 13, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
Yes, Harry is completely trained in classic way of orchestral music as he himself said...

So his main influences for two tracks in Prometheus, especially for Life, were composers like Sibelius and his second, fourth, sixth symphony and some other works, Holst Planets, some Wagnerian elements...

I would use something like this for some ultimate creature or its final step of creation...
https://youtu.be/jgMvE-_8hpk?t=21m16s (https://youtu.be/jgMvE-_8hpk?t=21m16s)


Quote"Gregson-Williams first worked with the latter on his first Ridley Scott film – 2005's Kingdom of Heaven, a Satellite Award-winning score he describes as 'very classical'. A former chorister and music scholar himself, he describes his musical heritage and influences as largely classical in origin, and 'very English'."

ELGAR, HOLST, Vaughan Williams, Britten and Peter Maxwell Davies comes to mind when speaking about his work on Prometheus


About Harry Gregson Williams work on Prometheus and review of his two tracks:
QuoteThe main signature Life theme is surrendered to us in its entirety in Track 4, and it could well be the greatest piece of music that Harry Gregson-Williams has composed, thus far. This is achingly gorgeous – at once euphoric, wondrous and spellbinding. It is an elegy written for both the promise of the stars, and a spiritual fanfare for the miracle of life, itself. If Sir David Attenborough gets put into hyper-sleep and is then defrosted to make a Life on Another Planet series then this cue would be its perfect title theme.

Suffused with the sort of celestial glow that John Williams was able to conjure for Superman's Kryptonian introduction, or the sort of revelatory scope and grandeur that Jerry Goldsmith brought to his first and fifth big screen Star Trek outings, this rapturous slice of divine harmony really gets inside you and makes you thirst for visions, and for answers. Richard Watkins puts the tuba down and picks up the solo French Horn to play a lonely, lilting fanfare for those who long to reach beyond the stars. You can clearly imagine this as some sort of NASA flag-song for a parade of former astronauts saluting the next generation of interstellar explorers. With a female choir (The Metro Voices, Bach Choir and Apollo Voices all perform gloriously on the score) providing a dreamy reverie that is both optimistic and timeless.

I adore this track ... and it is hard to keep from just repeating it over and over. It is almost a sideways evolution of Goldsmith's famous solo trumpet that was originally supposed to cry out over the impenetrable blackness of deep space until the Nostromo slowly appears ... but got mucked-around with by Scott. There is even a trace of Vangelis to the high, bending string tones and the curling French Horn that reminds of his resplendent synthetic layers for Blade Runner, which surely isn't merely coincidental. This theme is returned to on the album in Track 12's We Were Right, but in a far more subdued and pensive mode, the transcendental qualities swapped for a grimmer essence of much darker possibilities.

This critic is not so fond of Streitenfeld work on Prometheus, but writer of this article writes that he succeeded with eeriness and spooky atmospheres created by mixing many sound textures and recording orchestra playing backward and then digitally flipping that whole track in order to achieve some unsettling melody color... Streitenfeld who also was Zimmers pupil (as Williams) is more of a technician than composer of orchestral music (as critic says), and that's why Ridley brought Williams to compose practically the most important track of the movie - LIFE (and best if I may say). That move shows overall Ridleys distrust in Streitenfeld method... but dont forget that Ridley did the same to Goldsmith in Alien and in Legend!

READ FULL ARTICLE HERE:
https://www.avforums.com/review/prometheus-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-soundtrack-review.4822 (https://www.avforums.com/review/prometheus-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-soundtrack-review.4822)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 13, 2016, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Mar 13, 2016, 05:24:08 PM
This critic is not so fond of Streitenfeld work on Prometheus, but writer of this article writes that he succeeded with eeriness and spooky atmospheres created by mixing many sound textures and recording orchestra playing backward and then digitally flipping that whole track in order to achieve some unsettling melody color.

No wonder it sounded so f_cking awful!


Harry Gregson-Williams' soundtrack for the Martian is brilliant though. It's subtle and gives a lot of texture and mood to the film without shoving it in your face. Here's one of the tracks that would sound good in an Alien film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4u8-dS7Etg&index=1&list=PLFyzg2g9ronE9z6WTG-vq3sYXFeJzSz3_ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4u8-dS7Etg&index=1&list=PLFyzg2g9ronE9z6WTG-vq3sYXFeJzSz3_)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 13, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
Life in Prometheus was perfect!

This one from Martian is also good... there is some elements of Vangelis, Holst, Goldsmith,....
all that in a modern (electronic) variant. But I think that it isn dark enough; Covenant need mysterious,
grandiose themes (like Life) and very dark (mechanoid hybrid) themes with combined orchestra and some
odd sound textures and electronic elements.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Mar 14, 2016, 08:00:00 PM
I'm hoping for more action this time to make up for the nonsense/fail of last movie..lets not do a second in a row slow movie...

Lets

Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 14, 2016, 08:26:43 PM
Nice... ;D

Resemblance is clear:
https://youtu.be/jgMvE-_8hpk?t=21m32s (https://youtu.be/jgMvE-_8hpk?t=21m32s)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Mar 14, 2016, 08:38:53 PM
Bad movie, only good thing was the music...i'd like a haunting scene with someone singing something like this..

Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 14, 2016, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Astronoë on Mar 14, 2016, 08:38:53 PM
Bad movie, only good thing was the music...i'd like a haunting scene with someone singing something like this..


Well you know what is good ;D
Soundtrack for that movie was composed by Polish classical composer Wojciech Kilar, and that man was a mastermind of spooky music! He was a really good composer!

Listen to this tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8mgRWn4zU0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8mgRWn4zU0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVeZaWL8vQ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVeZaWL8vQ4)
Real thing begins at 1:06

Well Ligeti's Requiem would be nice homage to 2001 Space Odyssey and could also
serve as some kind of theme for Xeno ultimate creation!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1lcZM0MNek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1lcZM0MNek)

This kind of music could also play well in Covenant type of movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1SZjOS0_PQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1SZjOS0_PQ)

If there are some kind of facilities or temples in Paradise, I would use some similar sound textures to this (beginning):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDV4Dfe5-Y4&list=LLdCfgz0exqG4fVSO-UbFZFQ&index=157 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDV4Dfe5-Y4&list=LLdCfgz0exqG4fVSO-UbFZFQ&index=157)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Mar 14, 2016, 09:27:06 PM
I Like parts of this (n the monks look awesome

Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 14, 2016, 09:40:06 PM
Yes... deep (basso) ominous chanting (few repeating notes)!

Maybe you ll recognise this:
http://www116.zippyshare.com/v/7wD7akUq/file.html (http://www116.zippyshare.com/v/7wD7akUq/file.html)
(*John Williams used this choral patterns for Emperors theme and for new movie)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Mar 15, 2016, 09:59:35 PM
I experimented with some sounds for atmospheres...
http://www96.zippyshare.com/v/DZV7p7PB/file.html
(http://www96.zippyshare.com/v/DZV7p7PB/file.html)


Master Class Harry Gregson-Williams In Paris 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhxX1bUU_Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYhxX1bUU_Q)


My last music experiment inspired by Covenant:

http://www118.zippyshare.com/v/4au0csYt/file.html
(http://www118.zippyshare.com/v/4au0csYt/file.html)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: thexenomorph on Mar 17, 2016, 02:33:16 AM
I love "life", great to know he's doing the complete soundtrack next time!  :D
I love the sense of discovery with Life!
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on May 09, 2016, 03:01:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8z2qedv04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8z2qedv04)

Some interesting sounds and melodies
that could very well find their place in Covenant...
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on May 14, 2016, 12:27:37 PM
This horn sections reminded me on horn solo from Life track by Covenant dear composer Harry Gregson-Williams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gztnm6GS9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gztnm6GS9M)
This is the one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DbWkfxDZSQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DbWkfxDZSQ)
Johny, Johny, greatest score composer ever ;D

This is a bit more sinister (in the beginning):


I like the sense of wonder, awe and mystery that can be felt in the horn resonating sound... especially during horn solo passages.That kind of sound is mysterious, but also very much organic and sinister, like some deep unknown call (breath, cry) from the darkest corners of the universe... like Gods warning saying to someone that there are things you shouldn't ever discover... things which discovery will lead to your own fall...

Horn often represent the trumpet of God or angels and can represent human rebellious and disbalanced nature...!


This man could help Harry to compose Covenant :o:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFiZVIoj5jQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFiZVIoj5jQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnvFLlWSAYU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnvFLlWSAYU)


Brilliant.This composition by American composer Eric Whitacre is inspired
by the Hubble Telescope Deep Field images. Phenomenal work. :o
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: NickisSmart on May 14, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
Some stuff like this:



Didn't Kubrick use excerpts from this in The Shinning?
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on May 14, 2016, 01:45:16 PM
Penderecki is always welcome in Alien universe.
His diabolical sounds are super scary. :D

Quote from: NickisSmart on May 14, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
Didn't Kubrick use excerpts from this in The Shinning?

Yes, he did. He also used:
Ligeti's Atmosphères
parts of Ligeti's Requiem and also his Lux Aeterna
Richard Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
Gayane Ballet Suite (Adagio) – Aram Khachaturian (USED IN CAMERON'S ALIENS TOO!!!)


This is also an interesting ambient music:

https://youtu.be/ppiGTLqfaWc?t=1h11m47s (https://youtu.be/ppiGTLqfaWc?t=1h11m47s)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: NickisSmart on May 14, 2016, 04:03:52 PM
I remember Cameron using Aram's ballet suite in his movie, though I wonder how many people recognized it. It's definitely a cool nod to 2001. Classical music and sci-fi are made for each other, I think. Some of my favorite moments in Alien were the use of classical music, like Mozart or Howard Hanson in juxtaposition with Jerry's wonderful score (and his music from Freud). I hope Convenant has a equally diverse and varied musical palette.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Mr. Clemens on May 14, 2016, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: NickisSmart on May 14, 2016, 04:03:52 PM
I remember Cameron using Aram's ballet suite in his movie, though I wonder how many people recognized it. It's definitely a cool nod to 2001.

That wasn't Cameron throwing it in there, that was Horner straight-up writing it into his own score.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: NickisSmart on May 14, 2016, 05:34:56 PM
Well, classical composers usually do that as a sign of respect, or at least they used to. Capitalism put such a negative spin on plagiarism.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on May 17, 2016, 06:16:16 PM
https://youtu.be/AwI2xizqRAA?t=5m57s (https://youtu.be/AwI2xizqRAA?t=5m57s)

https://youtu.be/1XISFEiAy2w?t=5m41s (https://youtu.be/1XISFEiAy2w?t=5m41s)

I belive that this kind of music could also be very cool in Covenant.
Einojuhani Rautavaara, Finnish composerr have a strange idea about angels, here what he said:
QuoteFrom this alien reality, creatures rise up which could be called angels. They may bear some resemblance to the visions of William Blake, and are certainly related to Rainer Maria Rilke's awe-inspiring figures of holy dread...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppiGTLqfaWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppiGTLqfaWc)

Some interesting sounds ;D

Valentin Silvestrov also uses some very creepy and mysterious melodies:
https://youtu.be/EoGUwKJeLDA?t=10m15s (https://youtu.be/EoGUwKJeLDA?t=10m15s)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: NickisSmart on May 17, 2016, 07:36:38 PM
I love Blake. What an imagination. The man died with a smile on his face. :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on May 18, 2016, 02:59:59 PM
More interesting music:

https://youtu.be/REqFSOu0Frg?t=30m48s (https://youtu.be/REqFSOu0Frg?t=30m48s)

Imagine this music with a scene of some strange Engineer temple with an orrery showing all planets designated for delivery of black goo...and  David (now different!) is standing in the center of that orray laughing in ecstasy.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: NickisSmart on May 19, 2016, 12:31:06 AM
Sort of like Kefka in FF6.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on May 22, 2016, 09:55:04 PM
What's this music?

Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: WY Corporate on May 22, 2016, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 07, 2016, 08:51:03 PM
Fun fact: Ridley used parts of Isao Tomita's synth interpretation of Holst's, The Planets as a temp track for Alien. Ridley was also very keen on hiring Tomita to compose the entire score for Alien. Unfortunately the studio didn't want to hire someone who hadn't composed any soundtracks for films before.

And this was just a stupid argumentation, because Tomita actually did several film scores before! Even for a sci-fi film (The Prophecies of Nostradamus; 1974), but maybe they just weren't very aware of that (japanese films were often overlooked and somehow mishandled in most parts of the western world back then) - man I really like Tomita's film music works (especially from that Nostradamus-flick and Zatoichi and the One-armed Swordsman; 1971) and it would just be awesome to hear his outstanding music in the original Alien film!  8)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on May 23, 2016, 09:46:37 PM
Yeah, I assume Fox wanted someone who had composed for "Hollywood" films before.

Sadly, Isao Tomita passed away about two weeks ago.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Jun 15, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzJeNU_I_-8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzJeNU_I_-8)

Someone recognize this tune from the beginning of this track?
Is it only my imagination or its the same tune from Prometheus?
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 15, 2016, 03:11:03 PM
Similar but I don't think it's the same.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: fiveways on Jun 16, 2016, 03:20:58 AM
Funny I was coming in here to post Stockhausen.  I'd love the soundtrack to be purely old school Elektronische Musik or a drone sort of thing.  Almost zero melody.  Point almost descending into Merzbow style electronics.  No human voices, no traditional instruments, no true rhythmic portions.  something really removed and inhuman sounding.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Jun 16, 2016, 12:48:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsuN-lvhcs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsuN-lvhcs8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6sd2Uiapk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx6sd2Uiapk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA9QbSIsfJ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA9QbSIsfJ4)

And more from Oöphoi!


Maybe something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvF36gzLF8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvF36gzLF8)


And more of this mysterious dark ambient music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx3cdEPMpzM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx3cdEPMpzM)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i62rxJDonaw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i62rxJDonaw)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGNG7oEEYPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGNG7oEEYPk)


This one have an appropriate name :):

Album: The Incarnation Of The Solar Architects
Inade - Altar To The Unknown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwbO5F3Bf9w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwbO5F3Bf9w)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1PFare_gAc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1PFare_gAc)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxmYrHLdAsM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxmYrHLdAsM)

And the best one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipjoO15_jXg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipjoO15_jXg)

LISTEN TO 19:55!!!!! ;D
Or even 22:00, Imagine a scene with David (blonde one) walking through Engineer temple or facility and there are thousands of modified Xeno life forms in glass tanks... And then a goo ampules with endless wall murals.

Thats for today ;D
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: NickisSmart on Jun 16, 2016, 04:55:21 PM
Tangerine Dream's Zeit. Nice. Love those guys.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Jul 20, 2016, 07:28:24 PM
https://youtu.be/eX6W-DZDkqg (https://youtu.be/eX6W-DZDkqg)

Still waiting for Covenant. :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Jul 21, 2016, 07:26:41 AM
Dark ambient like Inade would be perfect.  A few years ago, Lustmord put out an album with vocal (mostly chanting), that is incredibly haunting and weird.  I would love to see something like that in Covenant.  All of the tracks can be listened to here:

http://lustmord.bandcamp.com/album/the-word-as-power

Another great band is Sephiroth, who have some very chilling songs:



Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Jul 21, 2016, 12:18:45 PM
Good choices. ;D
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Stolen on Sep 16, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
Two months ago on Facebook

QuoteHarry Gregson Williams : They are nearly done shooting....music to come over the next 4 months!

I'm sure the film will be finished in January!
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Sep 16, 2016, 07:15:49 PM
So, why realising it in August? ??? :o
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Stolen on Sep 16, 2016, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Sep 16, 2016, 07:15:49 PM
So, why realising it in August? ??? :o

Box office strategy

Ridley (and his team) works very fast , he could very well release the film in March.
For example the shooting of The Martian is finished early March , the movie was released in early Octobre. Less than 7 months of post production.

I also know that Scott will shoot a new film before the release of Covenant.




Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Sep 16, 2016, 07:32:38 PM
Maybe they will realise it earlier... :-[ :-*
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 16, 2016, 09:50:44 PM
Quote from: Stolen on Sep 16, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
Two months ago on Facebook

QuoteHarry Gregson Williams : They are nearly done shooting....music to come over the next 4 months!

I'm sure the film will be finished in January!

Too early. Covenant will have a lot of visual effects shots, much more so than The Martian. From March onward would be more realistic.

And while principle photography is over there will most likely be additional pick-ups and/or reshoots.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Sep 18, 2016, 01:26:28 PM
Would you like to hear another piece of classical music in Covenant, and
if you do, write down your choices?


Remember Chopin from Prometheus
it was so fitting for Davids scene!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21AYfo_2Cf4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21AYfo_2Cf4)


I would like to hear Mahler third symphony finale during end credits ;D

https://youtu.be/JyJYeB4oJT0 (https://youtu.be/JyJYeB4oJT0)

Dont know why... maybe because there is sense of awe, dread
but also beauty in his music. It sounds like human fall from Gods grace but there is a
subtle sound/melody of redemption too!
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: fiveways on Sep 20, 2016, 06:59:08 PM
I typically prefer my Scifi/Horror way more synthetic sounding than traditional Western Classical sounding.  A weird, oppressive variation on that theme could be really interesting.  Like a Glenn Branca-ish take on it would be interesting.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: PRJ_since1990 on Sep 23, 2016, 02:16:55 AM
The soundtrack is very important in any film's overall success. In fact, sometimes it stands out as better than the movie! The two Prometheus tracks you posted, "Life" and "We Were Right" are the best tracks on the whole album.

What I would want in the soundtrack are two things: Return to the roots via scary space opera (I really enjoy Goldsmith's original score, especially the main theme) and make the OST stand by itself. The only criticism of James Horner's score of Aliens is it tends to feel like the movie is driving the score rather than the other way around.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: fiveways on Sep 24, 2016, 02:55:24 AM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on Sep 23, 2016, 02:16:55 AM

What I would want in the soundtrack are two things: Return to the roots via scary space opera (I really enjoy Goldsmith's original score, especially the main theme) and make the OST stand by itself. The only criticism of James Horner's score of Aliens is it tends to feel like the movie is driving the score rather than the other way around.

That is why I like it, Horner knew enough to take a back seat to the imagery on screen (or was told to do that by Cameron).  Aliens isn't a film, to me, that needs a over the top score to help it.

I love when action films use more minimalist music cues.  The music almost feels oppressive in a bad way in modern action movies.  With so much going on visually and auditory (between sound effects and music) at the same time that it becomes a blur. 

I think it is situational and the music has to be used to answer questions like "does this need something to add excitement or suspense?"  If it needs a strong soundtrack like that, than sure go for it.  Just make the score match the movie.  If it stands on its own great, if not and it works great. 
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Sep 29, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
Sounds of  ancient instrument used in Alien to be heard in Covenant:

Didjeridu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ENJDAYN5jU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ENJDAYN5jU)

Shankh or giant conch shell (India)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpzqHWdkDpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpzqHWdkDpY)

Waterphone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSJstDFDfg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSJstDFDfg)

Stefan Behrish, orchestrator for Covenant
did this orchestration for Knick soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFxSoav3Mc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFxSoav3Mc)

Stephen Barton, probably assistent composer or additional composer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGVBh3pGbs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGVBh3pGbs)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Oct 02, 2016, 01:18:46 PM
https://youtu.be/MVZWoE3_l4I?t=9m31s (https://youtu.be/MVZWoE3_l4I?t=9m31s)


Landing sequence, setting great forest and a lake... ;D
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 02, 2016, 09:44:19 PM
I would like to see some dark avant garde classic music mixed with super experimental jazz; noisy and intricate, dirty and rusty, dissonant and non-melodic, but atmospheric and highly ambient. All of that combined with more traditional sci-fi score classic music. My favorite franchise score is hands down Elliot Goldenthal's magnum opus A3 - it kind of had all of those elements, but I wouldn't mind if the right composer tried to push it even further.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Oct 02, 2016, 10:19:09 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Oct 02, 2016, 09:44:19 PM
I would like to see some dark avant garde classic music mixed with super experimental jazz; noisy and intricate, dirty and rusty, dissonant and in melodic, but atmospheric and highly ambient. All of that combined with more traditional sci-fi score classic music. My favorite franchise score is hands down Elliot Goldenthal's magnum opus A3 - it kind of had all of those elements, but I wouldn't mind if the right composer tried to push it even further.

Yes, I very much like Goldenthal's work on Alien3 soundtrack. Idea of using
sinister Agnus Dei in Alien movie is ingenious ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1o7db95gwY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1o7db95gwY)


What a musical bomb that piece of music is!!! Pure genius.


Mainly classical orchestral music with some electronic/ambient element could
work in sci fi horror movies like Alien.

Classical can be scary! :D ;)
https://youtu.be/AwI2xizqRAA (https://youtu.be/AwI2xizqRAA)

Listen to this composition please... Jerry copied this so much!!!!!

QuoteAngels and Visitations (1978) was the first in Rautavaara's Angel Series (the latest being the Angel of Light, or Seventh Symphony, that I reviewed last June). Rilke was a prime mover this time, though the composer's childhood vision of a "mighty presence" is equally significant. Musically, the work enters on cymbal sea-spray backed by quietly curling string figurations. Contrasts abound, from the cold purity of the string writing (8'00'', or thereabouts – echoes of Sibelius's Sixth), to disruptive interjections (roughly 40 seconds on) and rhythmic computations reminiscent of Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring (11'27''). One can easily imagine Angels and Visitations as the soundtrack to a troubled dream sequence

Composed right in time for Alien! ;D Jerry, Jerry!
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Nov 05, 2016, 06:27:58 PM


Fassbender said that sets in the movie look new, but
also eroded, ancient... Then the music should be the reflection
of that visuals too

A bit of ancient music. Creepy indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9BjGSpPPks&t=422s

ENTRY OF GODS INTO HELL :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: BonesawT101 on Nov 05, 2016, 06:53:21 PM
Quote from: Enoch on Sep 29, 2016, 04:04:03 PM
Sounds of  ancient instrument used in Alien to be heard in Covenant:

Didjeridu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ENJDAYN5jU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ENJDAYN5jU)

Shankh or giant conch shell (India)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpzqHWdkDpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpzqHWdkDpY)

Waterphone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSJstDFDfg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foSJstDFDfg)

Stefan Behrish, orchestrator for Covenant
did this orchestration for Knick soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFxSoav3Mc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqFxSoav3Mc)

Stephen Barton, probably assistent composer or additional composer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGVBh3pGbs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGVBh3pGbs)
Enoch how do you know these 'sounds' will be in covenant? It's just that by saying -"Sounds of  ancient instrument used in Alien to be heard in Covenant" you are implying that you know something the rest of us don't know about the soundtrack in the new film. Which I doubt, as the film hasn't even been scored yet.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Nov 05, 2016, 06:56:05 PM
Just heard way back when Harry was still on board that they plan to
use some instruments already used in Alien soundtrack... so this
is just my assumption :) Now, everything is changed

Let me remind you, Shankh , didgeridoo, serpent, Waterphone, all
of these instruments were used in Alien! :)

Here you can read how Jerry used all these instruments:

QuoteThe score for Alien has some very unusual instrumentation and effects, most of which were
designed to evoke either the alien planet, or the alien "Xenomorph" itself:

-Conch shell: Usually low blowing sound, like a contrabass flute, evoking alien winds and used for outdoor scenes on the alien planet.
-Didgeridoo: Used for when the alien Xenomorph appears.
-Serpent: A wood horn with a brass mouthpiece, used for when the alien Xenomorph appears.

Alien "rattle": First appears about 5 seconds into Hanging On (track 9), I think this is from didgeridoo, but with effects.  Sounds like someone blowing their nose sometimes.  Also used for when the alien Xenomorph appears.

Echoplex (delay): Echo effect used on strummed violins and basses for scenes inside the derelict alien ship.

Pitch-shifting:
Electronic effect used on strummed muted harp and violin for the egg chamber scene, but mostly not heard in the film (probably just too weird).

Aleatoric violins: basically "randomly" playing the highest notes possible on the violin, creating a kind of hissing noise, often bouncing the bow on the string as well.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: whiterabbit on Nov 05, 2016, 09:11:22 PM
Rock and Pop all the way like some kind of 90's anime.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Jan 19, 2017, 09:14:25 PM
https://aphoticapathy.bandcamp.com/album/the-engineers (https://aphoticapathy.bandcamp.com/album/the-engineers)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Robopadna on Jan 19, 2017, 09:40:15 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 05, 2016, 09:11:22 PM
Rock and Pop all the way like some kind of 90's anime.

Basically the 1986 animated transformers soundtrack.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: lv_226 on Jan 21, 2017, 01:56:24 AM
I'm listening to Jed Kurzel's Assassin's Creed OST and it has me very excited for Covenant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7u3Kn7QLg8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7u3Kn7QLg8)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Jan 21, 2017, 02:23:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsceqeUSS2c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsceqeUSS2c)


;) :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Feb 12, 2017, 07:30:37 PM
Great exploration of Jerry's work on Alien soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAzIV27sr40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAzIV27sr40)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: windebieste on Feb 14, 2017, 03:13:02 AM
"'Nature Boy' travelled to the wrong f**king planet."

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Astronoë on Feb 19, 2017, 10:59:57 PM
Since Prometheus/Covenant/Mountains of Madness discussion came up in other thread n I happened upon this

This utub channel is by the composer btw

---

At the Mountains of Madness HP Lovecraft Orchestra and Choir Horror Music.

Graham Plowman - Composer
May 17, 2016



Full album of 15 Lovecraftian tracks: The Horror of H.P. Lovecraft, is available here:
http://gplowman.bandcamp.com/

This is a new extended version of At the Mountains of Madness, which features on the updated album 'The Horror of H.P. Lovecraft'. The original piece was one of the very first I wrote and was short. To bring it up to date with my current style and writing length (for Lovecraftian tracks), I extended it.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Feb 25, 2017, 01:50:30 PM
If they decide to follow Alien tradition and use classical piece
for ending scene, I myself would like to hear something like this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMG-QHu5QFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMG-QHu5QFs)

Finale 36:30 -


Covenant slowly drifting into void, scenes of planets left behind, dark and gloomy;
Spoiler
David/Walter is calmly touching xenomorph embryos which  he just put into cryo chamber. One last smile... fade to black
[close]
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
Ive heard that the music is minimal and industrial. A lot of metal on metal sounds.

That description comes from someone whos seen a bunch of footage and has a good knowledge of avant garde music.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Feb 25, 2017, 03:15:26 PM
Thats ok... I like industrial, ambient, electronic...

But despite that, they can always use some conventional classical/orchestral music for the ending...

Robert Ames   ...   conductor / solo viola / viola improvisation
Galya Bisengalieva   ...   solo violin / violin improvisation
Hugh Brunt   ...   orchestrator
London Contemporary Orchestra   ...   score performed by
Tommy Laurence   ...   additional orchestrator
Tony Lewis   ...   music editor
Steve Mair   ...   musician: double bass
Cliff Masterson   ...   conductor
Arabella Winter   ...   assistant music editor
Mark Jan Wlodarkiewicz   ...   music editor (uncredited)

Stings, a lot of strings and bass flutes, taking those information into account we can conclude that it is indeed going
to be dark, "metallic"/industrial in a sense but also very much natural, orchestral... BIOMECHANICAL music. :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Evanus on Feb 25, 2017, 03:56:57 PM
I hope the soundtrack will have some distinctive melodies/themes, but I'm afraid not.

His soundtrack for Macbeth is nice, though it's also a bit of a drag. I hope Covenant sounds different.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Feb 25, 2017, 03:59:48 PM
Thats why I mentioned some classical influences... because of
them Jerry Goldsmith was a master of movie soundtracks...

You can not be a GREAT musician (no matter the genre) without the
knowledge of classical music and its essence.

Melodies, rhythms... etc. Todays composers try to depict whats visible on the screen (thus the melodies and themes are two dimensional and too anemic), once they used to look beyond, they depicted something deeper, something hidden within. As if they tried to connect single soul with the vast spaces of the cosmos in order to allow us (the viewers) to grasp some greater knowledge beyond the screen and visible images.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Evanus on Feb 25, 2017, 04:07:39 PM
I absolutely agree.

I wonder if he'll use themes from Alien or Prometheus. Probably not, I think it's going to be 100% original music.
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Enoch on Feb 25, 2017, 04:13:53 PM
I hoped to hear that mysterious and wondrous horn (from Life theme) again...
I would be very happy if he tried to convey some of the original Alien melodies, tunes and ideas...


For example, Allan Pettersson (1911-1980), greatest Swedish composer, shortly after the composition of above mentioned symphony no.7,  wrote this to Leif Aare, his friend and biographer (published in Nutida Musik), with his direct style : "The mankind today is a little boy starving on this earth, right now, and the music nowadays, it is the moaning of this child in this fair for vultures. This is what has been done by the adult man, the fatty and twisted man".

This is obvious example how true artist always tries to depict the deepest emotions and things which affects us all. They do not focus on one individual phenomenon but on the whole system... not only on one particular image but rather on the series of images and their deepest meaning.

https://youtu.be/KMG-QHu5QFs?t=36m29s (https://youtu.be/KMG-QHu5QFs?t=36m29s)

Like that simple ending with strings, peaceful but bearing some uncertainty and gloominess.

Thats why Howard Hanson's second symphony "The Romantic" worked in the ending of Alien.
It is triumphant, calm, peaceful you can feel the element of relief in the geginning... but as it progresses it all grows slower
towards the end and turning into discomfort and anxiety... the fear for the future. Thats why its called romantic... containing both
specters of the feelings. Jerry's track intended for the end is also great but it only focuses on the aspect
of mysterious, on the uncertainty and pain, there is NOT that triumphant part, a melody of Ripley psychological relief.

Hanson symphony no. 2 - used in movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS1kg7hYTcs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS1kg7hYTcs)


Jerry Goldsmith alternate ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-fTc4LZgto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-fTc4LZgto)
Low strings, and that horns but primarily mysterious  trumpets, it almost
feels like Jerry is trying to ask the question is it really over, this was only one monster,
imagine 100 of them... In his music you can almost feel the fear of unknown, of vast universe
lying in front of Ripley.

His version is strongly influenced by another American composer and his famous piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaOz48cq2g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaOz48cq2g)


Only the use of pure ambiance and metallic sounds and tunes is not enough for Alien movie.
With such "sounds" and soundscapes (that is not real soundtrack and musical composition) you can only depict one aspect of the atmosphere and maybe action but not psychological aspects of the characters which is in my opinion the most important thing to depict with soundtrack. Hope you all agree.




You can use music like (non-orchestral) this to convey and explore some emotions,
but I always feel like there is some small but equally important element missing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGjUF0aM_8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGjUF0aM_8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoDmB3v28k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoDmB3v28k)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AywGwte_OHY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AywGwte_OHY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxsC-7bsFU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxsC-7bsFU)

Or perhaps this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiCF4obRfzQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiCF4obRfzQ)
But its just sounds...
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Evanus on Mar 06, 2017, 10:46:42 PM
Any news on the soundtrack? It's one of the few things we know almost nothing about.  :)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 09, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
Could this be the song they used in recent trailer??

Eye spied over at IMDB.COM.....

QuoteVairo - Raindance
Written by Vairo
Performed by Vairo
Courtesy of TEXTURA under license from Major Music Enterprises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A309fz7y65o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A309fz7y65o)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/soundtrack?ref_=tt_trv_snd (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/soundtrack?ref_=tt_trv_snd)
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Ingwar on Mar 09, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Mar 09, 2017, 11:42:59 AM
Could this be the song they used in recent trailer??

Eye spied over at IMDB.COM.....

QuoteVairo - Raindance
Written by Vairo
Performed by Vairo
Courtesy of TEXTURA under license from Major Music Enterprises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A309fz7y65o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A309fz7y65o)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/soundtrack?ref_=tt_trv_snd (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316204/soundtrack?ref_=tt_trv_snd)

It's utterly horrible :) What the hell is it?
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: szkoki on May 20, 2017, 09:06:20 PM
my favs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh_o19X5D2g
Title: Re: Music of Alien Covenant
Post by: Salt The Fries on May 21, 2017, 09:22:04 AM
I think this film might have delivered the very best score for an Alien film yet, that would have to placed second, only after Alien, just because how freaking influential it was. My favourites are The Medbay of course, Face Hugger, then Command Override (an emotional zenith of the film), but also Dead Civilization. Jed Kurzel did such an outstanding job. I can't praise him enough. Gregson-Williams, far more well-known composer wouldn't be able to match it. He'd be too conventional, too reliant on traditional elements.