Poll
Question:
Which movie do you prefer?
Option 1: Requiem
votes: 131
Option 2: Resurrection
votes: 194
Option 3: They are both poor
votes: 74
Option 4: Love them both
votes: 5
It's clear both AvPR and A:R are pretty hated by many members, what I want to know is which is liked better. ???
Aliens Vs Predator Requiem is much better than Alien Resurection in my opinion
Requiem.
Alien:Resurrection.
I like it slightly more with each viewing, unlike AvP:R which when I tried to watch it yesterday didn't even hold my attention.
Rez. I may not like everything in it, but it's at least it's competently made and internally consistent.
avp-r,its more intresting then a:r
Resurrection... Nothing beats havin Ron Perlman around... ;)
AvPR
Resurrection.
Requiem is an amateurish joke and an insult to filmmaking.
Resurrection.
I know A:R is the better film in pretty much all aspects, but I just can't stand it, I can't. So AvP-R for me.
avp-r.
A:R is a good movie by itself, but not as an alien movie. AVPR was missing something that A:R had for me though
Quote from: Aran on Apr 27, 2008, 03:46:11 PM
Resurrection... Nothing beats havin Ron Perlman around... ;)
f**k yea.
I hate A:R
I am not a fan of sci-fi comedy, so this is a no brainer.
AVP-R
Both are great.
i fort that avp-r was better only because i like the predators more then aliens :D
Quote from: avpmad! on Apr 27, 2008, 06:02:36 PM
i fort that avp-r was better only because i like the predators more then aliens :D
:|
I hate to say it but as a film Ressurection is better. It might be the worst alien film but its still better than both AVP films. Ron Perlman saves that film from being completely shit, he gives it more entertainment.
AVP R had some cool ideas but let down because it was in the hands of two first time directors and it shows. Good luck to them in the future though. If they had made atleast 3 or 4 films before it might have really kicked ass.
Quote from: Scree on Apr 27, 2008, 05:59:14 PM
Both are great.
if ppl asks you to choose dont give both answers.
AVPR can beat A:R butt just like that ;D :)
in your oppinion
:D Requiem of course, AR has Joner and...yeah only Joner is good.
AVPR because it had better action and pretty nice effects. I was nice seeing some old school action back.
I thought A:R suck because i hate how they train the aliens and trying to make them into pets. Aliens where born to kill not be zoo animals or pets. I also hated the New Born and the movie was too borning.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 27, 2008, 09:47:13 PM
Aliens where born to kill not be zoo animals or pets.
Unless they're being held by a predator. then they're helpless.
A:R is way better, avp-r doesnt even come close.
AVP-R
More entertaining and interesting. It has two of my favorite characters in a R rated setting. perfect score and harcore bloody good time hoo-rah ;D
AR is a better made film, but it's not as much fun as watching AVP-R. If I had to choose to which film I'd rather see over and over again it would be AVP-R hands down.
Quote from: frenchpred on Apr 27, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
:D Requiem of course, AR has Joner and...yeah only Joner is good.
Oh, and AVPR has...erm...a...oh wait...that guy who...f**k, I got nothing.
I don't understand how anyone can prefer AvPR over Resurrection, but...okay....
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 27, 2008, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: frenchpred on Apr 27, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
:D Requiem of course, AR has Joner and...yeah only Joner is good.
Oh, and AVPR has...erm...a...oh wait...that guy who...f**k, I got nothing.
:D"Etre dans le vent c'est avoir un destin de feuilles mortes"-Victor Hugo.
AVP R has a Predalien who's better than the pitiful Newborn, it has Cameron-esque aliens warriors and a great Predator...As for the humans who can beats the stupidity of a Synthetic who faints to be drunk with Boxing gloves ? Or a guy in wheelchair when the regular technology permits space travel and synthtics since a longggg time :D Yeah i prefer the colonel Stevens and Dallas for sure.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 27, 2008, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: frenchpred on Apr 27, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
:D Requiem of course, AR has Joner and...yeah only Joner is good.
Oh, and AVPR has...erm...a...oh wait...that guy who...f**k, I got nothing.
AVPR has Ty Olsson. He was in Transformers, X-men 2, Lake Placid and Stargate. He is a good actor and he was one the good actors in the movie.
I don't even know who that is.
A:R has Ron Perlman. And Sigourney Weaver. And Winoda Ryder. And Michael Wincott.
I like Resurrection better because you finally got to see what the scientists would do with the alien once they got their hands on them...
being a fan of the comics, i had been waiting for a movie to do that... plus Paul wincott's character is the best and i wished he hadn't died so early, i would have loved seeing him make it to the end and carry on the series with him as the main protagonist...
also, fans of Firefly/Serenity should see similarities between the crew of the Betty and the crew of Serenity(both born of Joss Whedon)...
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 28, 2008, 01:04:32 AM
I don't even know who that is.
A:R has Ron Perlman. And Sigourney Weaver. And Winoda Ryder. And Michael Wincott.
True but actors don't make the movie good.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 28, 2008, 01:27:58 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 28, 2008, 01:04:32 AM
I don't even know who that is.
A:R has Ron Perlman. And Sigourney Weaver. And Winoda Ryder. And Michael Wincott.
True but actors don't make the movie good.
But they make it superior to AvP:R.
Well IMO i enjoy AVPR more then Alien Resurrection. I just hate the story in A:R because the story was so silly seeing Ripley having Alien DNA in here. The CGI was pretty poor as well (The opening scene look fake). Starship Tropers and Godzilla had better CGI then Alien Resurrection.
I also hated The Newborn for being Ugly and did not act like a Alien. Cloning Aliens and traing them as Zoo animals is one the worst ideas ever.
ALIEN RESURRECTION by a mile.
AVPR is boring after the first 5 minutes. I really don't care about pizza boy or any of the other dumb characters in it.
A:R has better actors, Direction, character development, plot, and creature effects...
so yeah its better in every way in my opinion.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 28, 2008, 01:04:32 AM
I don't even know who that is.
The guy that palyed Dale's father, aka "The guy with one shitty line of dialog."
Oh, of course! How could I forget that guy...
I feel stupid.
[Shakes head] Poor Yellow. :'(
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 28, 2008, 12:56:45 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 27, 2008, 11:36:02 PM
Quote from: frenchpred on Apr 27, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
:D Requiem of course, AR has Joner and...yeah only Joner is good.
Oh, and AVPR has...erm...a...oh wait...that guy who...f**k, I got nothing.
AVPR has Ty Olsson. He was in Transformers, X-men 2, Lake Placid and Stargate. He is a good actor and he was one the good actors in the movie.
Ty Olson played the guy who gets brained in the plant... not the best example... but I don't judge films by the names.
Call never got drunk. She faked being so, in order to get access to other places.
Resurrection has a stronger story seed behind it and a MUCH better visual sense, both in direction and lighting. It also has more coherent action sequences and better acting overall despite some really lame line deliveries ("f**k?"). The overdubbing of Gediman's speech in the nest is lame, and the last showdown is weaker... but those are small complaints compared to the ones I could level at AVP:R, and basically already have.
Quote from: frenchpred on Apr 28, 2008, 12:47:28 AM
it has Cameron-esque aliens warriors
...in the same way Resurrection has Giger-seque warriors because they have a dome. :-\
Quoteand a great Predator
Whose entire survival hinged on his opponents' incompetency.
Resurrection based on characters. Perlman and that guy with the croaky voice = badasses
Alien: Resurrection, by far. Like gameoverman said, this movie stopped being worthwhile once the ship crashed in Colorado. Whereas Alien: Resurrection is an average film marred by a bad third act, AVP: Requiem is a disappointing film made worse by the decisions put to print.
Told ya guys. Perlman is the way to go...
Alien Resurrection
Resurrection has everything better. Ron Perlman all by himself beats the living crap out of those pizza children and avpr is a bory ass movie because I couldn´t see a damn thing.
A:R is everything AvPR isn't basically.
This is no contest, A:R.
Quote from: KidPresentable on Apr 27, 2008, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 27, 2008, 03:46:11 PM
Resurrection... Nothing beats havin Ron Perlman around... ;)
f**k yea.
Agreed :D I thought the Aliens in Resurrection looked a little better than AvPr too
Quote from: avpjunkie on Apr 28, 2008, 01:05:27 AM
also, fans of Firefly/Serenity should see similarities between the crew of the Betty and the crew of Serenity(both born of Joss Whedon)...
The crew of Serenity are funny, the crew of the Betty are mainly just annoying (except Perlman), and every time I liked one of them they effin' died and we ended up with the annoying disabled guy.
That's not saying the characters in AvP-R were any good, just that the ones in A:R aren't as good as the ones in Serenity (you gotta love Jayne's lines).
I have to say that this poll has surprised me. Alien Res is the worst of the franchise and this board currently holds not credibility in my mind.
A:R is certainly the worst movie in the franchise however as a stand-alone movie it still has cinematic merit. AVP-R cannot make such a claim.
Well, I will say this....AR did have better visual quality. Atleast I can see the dam movie.
AVP-R on the other hand is the darkest movie I have ever seen in the history of film. You'll see better visual quality out of a 8mm camera. Pathetic, who ever decided to make AVP-R darker when they had the chance to keep the awesome quality in the IGN clips is dumber than a crack head. Who ever was the first person to say they should make this movie darker than it already was should be tortured to death. I would be seriously pissed if I was the guy who was incharge of all the CGI effects in AVP-R just to find out in the end some f**king asshole was going to make the movie so dark you can't see anything.
Atleast AVP and AR had better visual quality and you can see the mother f**king movie and maybe ummm......enjoy it >:(
-- I would give the visual quality of AVP a 10/10. It was pure eye candy.
-- I'm gonna give AR visual quality a 8/10 and AVP-R 4/10.
Now! On the other hand, if the mother f**kers who edited AVP-R kept the coloring we saw in the IGN clips I would have gave the AVP-R visual quality 9/10. It really is a dam shame, AVP-R is a solid Alien Vs Predator film that has been choked underneath all the darkness.
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 09:03:22 PM
Atleast AVP and AR had better visual quality and you can see the mother f**king movie and maybe ummm......enjoy it >:(
Seeing Alien Res is the primary problem. If I were blind and deaf I wouldn't mind it. The acting is far worse in A:R and the Newborn is the worst creature in the history of film.
Only problem I have with A:R visually is there is so much f**king brown. Brown corridors, brown Aliens, brown hive resin, brown clothes... brown, brown, brown and more brown. I have no idea why so much brown was used.
Quote from: Biz on Apr 29, 2008, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 09:03:22 PM
Atleast AVP and AR had better visual quality and you can see the mother f**king movie and maybe ummm......enjoy it >:(
Seeing Alien Res is the primary problem. If I were blind and deaf I wouldn't mind it. The acting is far worse in A:R and the Newborn is the worst creature in the history of film.
The acting is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse in AVPR. At least in A:R there is no "People are dying, we need guns." *blank stare*
Quote from: Biz on Apr 29, 2008, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 09:03:22 PM
Atleast AVP and AR had better visual quality and you can see the mother f**king movie and maybe ummm......enjoy it >:(
Seeing Alien Res is the primary problem. If I were blind and deaf I wouldn't mind it. The acting is far worse in A:R and the Newborn is the worst creature in the history of film.
How many drugs are you on? Most soap operas are better acted than AvPR, and saying AR has worse acting makes you look like a fool.
The acting in 10,000 BC was worst then AVPR. The acting in 10,000 BC made AVPR look like Goodfellas.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 10:40:32 PM
The acting in 10,000 BC was worst then AVPR. The acting in 10,000 BC made AVPR look like Goodfellas.
are you KIDDING me?? least 10,OOO BC made much more sense thn AVPR... and have to say bella is hawt too
I really dislike the direction thar A:R went in. It was really too cheezy to be an Alien film.
Quote from: Aran on Apr 29, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 10:40:32 PM
The acting in 10,000 BC was worst then AVPR. The acting in 10,000 BC made AVPR look like Goodfellas.
are you KIDDING me?? least 10,OOO BC made much more sense thn AVPR
:-X
Quote from: Biz on Apr 29, 2008, 09:17:49 PM
The acting is far worse in A:R
I'm not one of those who sees much wrong with the recent film's acting. Those in it, so far as I'm concerned, did as well as they could, given the material and direction they had to follow.
But to claim the other film's acting is worse? None of those involved with the production of this one would even try to claim Sigourney Weaver did a bad job on the acting front, to name one example. It was one of her very best performances.
Quote from: Biz on Apr 29, 2008, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: PHANTOM on Apr 29, 2008, 09:03:22 PM
Atleast AVP and AR had better visual quality and you can see the mother f**king movie and maybe ummm......enjoy it >:(
Seeing Alien Res is the primary problem. If I were blind and deaf I wouldn't mind it. The acting is far worse in A:R and the Newborn is the worst creature in the history of film.
I'm pretty much with Xenomorphine regarding the acting; though I do think even gien the material of AvP:R, the acting was pretty flat.
The newborn, while I strongly dislike it and it taints the rest of the movie for me, was supposed to be an abomination. Chet just looked like garbage because of poor design, not because it was supposed to.
I actually think the actors were pretty good. That guy who played the pizza boy and Kelly were ok but it was the dialogue they were given and total lack of characterisation that sucked.
Plus, the characters in A:R were pretty badass for the most part - but a pizza boy, a pretty criminal - no. Kelly, yes, because she was an Iraq vet but Dallas with the predator gun was just cheesy.
Quote from: Aran on Apr 29, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 10:40:32 PM
The acting in 10,000 BC was worst then AVPR. The acting in 10,000 BC made AVPR look like Goodfellas.
are you KIDDING me?? least 10,OOO BC made much more sense thn AVPR... and have to say bella is hawt too
huh? first your talking about the acting then your talking about the movie itself?
Quote from: Aran on Apr 29, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 10:40:32 PM
The acting in 10,000 BC was worst then AVPR. The acting in 10,000 BC made AVPR look like Goodfellas.
are you KIDDING me?? least 10,OOO BC made much more sense thn AVPR... and have to say bella is hawt too
The lines in the movie where bad like "We sleep here, we hunt".
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 30, 2008, 11:30:32 AM
Quote from: Aran on Apr 29, 2008, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 29, 2008, 10:40:32 PM
The acting in 10,000 BC was worst then AVPR. The acting in 10,000 BC made AVPR look like Goodfellas.
are you KIDDING me?? least 10,OOO BC made much more sense thn AVPR... and have to say bella is hawt too
The lines in the movie where bad like "We sleep here, we hunt".
dude,
its 10,OOO BC. you dont expect ppl in those days to speak PERFECTLY.
I know it takes place in the past but Apocalypto and even The Flintstones speak better then 10,000 BC.
In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale had the most worst modren acting ever. It had awesome actors like Jason Statham and the movie was major BS. AVPR is a oscar wining movie compare to In the Name of the King.
QuoteI know it takes place in the past but Apocalypto and even The Flintstones speak better then 10,000 BC.
When i saw apocalypto they didnt talk any english, and Flinstones isnt the most accurate source..
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 01, 2008, 01:13:10 PMWhen i saw apocalypto they didnt talk any english, and Flinstones isnt the most accurate source.
Does it matter what language they speak? They still used it in a way that didn't sound fake. To have half sentences like
"We sleep here, we hunt" (I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if it's actually in there) is just stupid. People had their own languages at that time and it was probably more advanced than that.
HAHAHAHAHA! :D
The question is just so...obvious...Requiem is the one!
They are both wrong but I just can't stand Ressurection and the Newborn.
I wish Resurrection was never made and Joss Whedon would find another career cause he also f**ked up Wolverine during his Astonishing X-Men run.
Quote from: Silver Surfer on May 01, 2008, 01:13:10 PM
QuoteI know it takes place in the past but Apocalypto and even The Flintstones speak better then 10,000 BC.
When i saw apocalypto they didnt talk any english, and Flinstones isnt the most accurate source..
The Finstones part was just sarcasm. Apocalypto didn't speak english but at least they talk right and you can hear them porerly unlike 10,000 BC.
Quote from: Horhey on May 01, 2008, 11:24:33 PM
Joss Whedon [...] also f**ked up Wolverine during his Astonishing X-Men run.
What, because the stories weren't all about Wolverine for a change? Yeah, that was a real shame. ::)
Gimme AvP:R over A:R any day of the week. I didn't understand A:R...what was the point of it??!
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:14:45 AM
Gimme AvP:R over A:R any day of the week. I didn't understand A:R...what was the point of it??!
I agee with you. I hated the aliens in the movie, they where so ulgy looking and too brown. I hate how they roar in the movie.
Where the hell's the option for "I like them both"?
I say AVP: R simply because I fall asleep whenever watching Resurrection. Not a bad movie in it's own respect though, just the dialogue was a little dragged on. Alien and Aliens suffered from the same problem (10-20 minute conversations=snorefest).
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on May 02, 2008, 01:18:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:14:45 AM
Gimme AvP:R over A:R any day of the week. I didn't understand A:R...what was the point of it??!
I agee with you. I hated the aliens in the movie, they where so ulgy looking and too brown. I hate how they roar in the movie.
My complaint isn't with the Aliens, my complaint lies with the whole film...it was campy, stupid, and completely destroyed Ripley's character.
Why are so many people saying that AR is a better film but then go on to vote for AvPR?
Come on, AvPR is on the same level as movies like Critters 4 and Troll 2. AR is a masterpiece of cinema compared to it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:33:58 AM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on May 02, 2008, 01:18:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:14:45 AM
Gimme AvP:R over A:R any day of the week. I didn't understand A:R...what was the point of it??!
I agee with you. I hated the aliens in the movie, they where so ulgy looking and too brown. I hate how they roar in the movie.
My complaint isn't with the Aliens, my complaint lies with the whole film...it was campy, stupid, and completely destroyed Ripley's character.
Getting off topic here...how exactly did it destroy her character?
The cloning gimmick was obviously a way to preserve Sigourney Weaver's character. That and the lackluster ending of Alien 3 with the queen "dying" with Ripley was so badly executed it screamed sequel.
Quote from: darthSnipe on May 02, 2008, 01:36:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:33:58 AM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on May 02, 2008, 01:18:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:14:45 AM
Gimme AvP:R over A:R any day of the week. I didn't understand A:R...what was the point of it??!
I agee with you. I hated the aliens in the movie, they where so ulgy looking and too brown. I hate how they roar in the movie.
My complaint isn't with the Aliens, my complaint lies with the whole film...it was campy, stupid, and completely destroyed Ripley's character.
Getting off topic here...how exactly did it destroy her character?
The cloning gimmick was obviously a way to preserve Sigourney Weaver's character. That and the lackluster ending of Alien 3 with the queen "dying" with Ripley was so badly executed it screamed sequel.
It wasn't b/c of the cloning. It was b/c the film transformed her from a badass soldier woman into a cliched sci-fi sexual female. Rememeber the scene where she, for all intents and purposes, starts rubbing herself against the floor and says "I can hear them..." then falls through the floor? I wanted to scream...
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
Quote from: darthSnipe on May 02, 2008, 01:36:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:33:58 AM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on May 02, 2008, 01:18:19 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:14:45 AM
Gimme AvP:R over A:R any day of the week. I didn't understand A:R...what was the point of it??!
I agee with you. I hated the aliens in the movie, they where so ulgy looking and too brown. I hate how they roar in the movie.
My complaint isn't with the Aliens, my complaint lies with the whole film...it was campy, stupid, and completely destroyed Ripley's character.
Getting off topic here...how exactly did it destroy her character?
The cloning gimmick was obviously a way to preserve Sigourney Weaver's character. That and the lackluster ending of Alien 3 with the queen "dying" with Ripley was so badly executed it screamed sequel.
It wasn't b/c of the cloning. It was b/c the film transformed her from a badass soldier woman into a cliched sci-fi sexual female. Rememeber the scene where she, for all intents and purposes, starts rubbing herself against the floor and says "I can hear them..." then falls through the floor? I wanted to scream...
Agreed. This was probably due to the genetic crossing of the Alien Queen and Ripley though.
Quote from: RumorControl on May 02, 2008, 01:36:09 AM
Come on, AvPR is on the same level as movies like Critters 4 and Troll 2.
Are you serious? Those movies where crap and bad on every level. AVPR was ok but not bad as in worst movie ever level of Troll 2 or Batman & Robin.
I'm having a feeling that you have not seen Battlefield Earth or any movie from Uwe Boll (Like House of Dead and In the name of the King). AVPR is The Shawshank Redemption compre to those movies.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
It wasn't b/c of the cloning. It was b/c the film transformed her from a badass soldier woman into a cliched sci-fi sexual female. Rememeber the scene where she, for all intents and purposes, starts rubbing herself against the floor and says "I can hear them..." then falls through the floor? I wanted to scream...
Ripley was never a badass soldier woman...which is a cliche itself.
Beat me to it.
And I don't know how she qualifies as 'cliched sci-fi sexual female' either.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
It wasn't b/c of the cloning. It was b/c the film transformed her from a badass soldier woman into a cliched sci-fi sexual female. Rememeber the scene where she, for all intents and purposes, starts rubbing herself against the floor and says "I can hear them..." then falls through the floor? I wanted to scream...
She was meant to be acting like the aliens. Note the aliens in the cage on the floor during "We're a fast learner" scene.... look familiar?
All of her quirky behavior is supposed to be the alien in her.
Granted, some of Ripley's mannerisms are weird, but her story arc is the most intriguing aspect of A:R. It may be the weakest of the Alien series, but at least it has subtext, a critically acclaimed director, and a great cast of characters.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 02, 2008, 01:56:51 AM
Granted, some of Ripley's mannerisms are weird, but her story arc is the most intriguing aspect of A:R. It may be the weakest of the Alien series, but at least it has subtext, a critically acclaimed director, and a great cast of characters.
A great cast of characters? I hated Dan Hedaya as General Perez. He really didn't fit with the Alien-style of movies in any way...
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 02, 2008, 01:50:54 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
It wasn't b/c of the cloning. It was b/c the film transformed her from a badass soldier woman into a cliched sci-fi sexual female. Rememeber the scene where she, for all intents and purposes, starts rubbing herself against the floor and says "I can hear them..." then falls through the floor? I wanted to scream...
Ripley was never a badass soldier woman...which is a cliche itself.
How often back when Alien was popular did you see a woman fulfill a role normally given to men? That's my point A:R didn't incorporate that IMO.
Quote from: Eidotemit on May 02, 2008, 01:55:22 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 02, 2008, 01:38:54 AM
It wasn't b/c of the cloning. It was b/c the film transformed her from a badass soldier woman into a cliched sci-fi sexual female. Rememeber the scene where she, for all intents and purposes, starts rubbing herself against the floor and says "I can hear them..." then falls through the floor? I wanted to scream...
She was meant to be acting like the aliens. Note the aliens in the cage on the floor during "We're a fast learner" scene.... look familiar?
All of her quirky behavior is supposed to be the alien in her.
Eh, that sounds rather weak to me. W/e the reason, it was still dumb.
QuoteThat's my point A:R didn't incorporate that IMO.
Nor should it have. It wasn't part of Ripley's original character. It was simply a single situation where she was forced to arm herself to the teeth in order to rescue someone.
Ripley8 is one of the more intriguing aspects to A:R, in my opinion.
I thought Siggy did a good job of playing a woman who remembers being Ripley, but knows that she isn't.
Problem is (as with a lot of Whedon's writing) that a lot of the better moments are drowned in stupid puns and one-liners, which defuse the mood.
A:R will always be, to me, a good film wrapped up loosely within a bad film.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 02, 2008, 05:05:57 AM
Ripley8 is one of the more intriguing aspects to A:R, in my opinion.
I thought Siggy did a good job of playing a woman who remembers being Ripley, but knows that she isn't.
Problem is (as with a lot of Whedon's writing) that a lot of the better moments are drowned in stupid puns and one-liners, which defuse the mood.
A:R will always be, to me, a good film wrapped up loosely within a bad film.
Stupid puns wait..wha? When where? Give me a few examples because if you're complaining about stupid one-liners what about: "Game over man! GAME OVER!"-
Aliens? One-liners and bad pun jokes are the foundation of the Alien franchise.
How is "Game over" a one-liner? It's just something Hudson says which the audience has come to embrace as funny. But it is not a one-liner in and of itself, any more than something like "Yeah, Bishop should go! Good idea, man!" is.
The A:R ones I'm referring to are those kind of winking lines like:
"Must be a chick thing."
or
"I thought you were dead." - "Yeah I get that a lot." (The line itself isn't so bad, but it's a very "Hey, look at me writing da words for a movie!" moment.)
The "chick thing" got a huge roar and cheer in the cinema when I first saw it. Kinda grates now though.
I still love the "Yeah I get that a lot" line even if it is perilously close to breaking the fourth wall.
I also love "do I have to draw you a schematic" and "I mainly just hurt people" lines. Both one-liners I'd reckon - but I still dig on them. :)
^I don't mind either of those as they don't tread on any of the 'deeper' elements of the script. I mainly just had a problem with the ones that did that.
I also liked Johner's, "I can get you off. ...Maybe not the boat..."
Yeah, but that one owes everything to Perlman's delivery. That could been excrutiatingly bad, but the barely muttered second sentence, with Call cutting in makes it work. If it'd been left to hang it'd be shit.
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Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 02, 2008, 05:05:57 AM
Ripley8 is one of the more intriguing aspects to A:R, in my opinion.
I thought Siggy did a good job of playing a woman who remembers being Ripley, but knows that she isn't.
Problem is (as with a lot of Whedon's writing) that a lot of the better moments are drowned in stupid puns and one-liners, which defuse the mood.
A:R will always be, to me, a good film wrapped up loosely within a bad film.
Stupid puns wait..wha? When where? Give me a few examples because if you're complaining about stupid one-liners what about: "Game over man! GAME OVER!"-Aliens? One-liners and bad pun jokes are the foundation of the Alien franchise.
Seen Predator much?
QuoteOne-liners and bad pun jokes are the foundation of the Alien franchise.
Wat.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on May 02, 2008, 05:20:05 PM
QuoteOne-liners and bad pun jokes are the foundation of the Alien franchise.
Wat.
Yeah, don't you remember all those hilarious jokes Ash made? Or was it Lambert? I forget now.
Actually Alien does have some pretty funny dialog when you think about it but yeah, hardly any one liners that I can recall. Only thing that springs to mind is; "Micro-changes in air density my ass" but it's quite subtle.
Avp r is just better :) ;D
I think Alien R is a much better film than AVP-R so I voted for Resurrection.
Quote from: PREDATOR KING on May 02, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Avp r is just better :) ;D
not according to the reviews, and the box office.
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on May 02, 2008, 07:09:12 PM
Actually Alien does have some pretty funny dialog when you think about it but yeah, hardly any one liners that I can recall. Only thing that springs to mind is; "Micro-changes in air density my ass" but it's quite subtle.
I think of Parker's line here: "Can I just finish my coffee? It's the only good thing on this ship."
Nothing special, but it made me chuckle a little.
A character saying something funny is not the same thing as a one-liner. Alien contains no one-liners.
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Avp r is just better :) ;D
not according to the reviews, and the box office.
well I think the badness of AVP made viewers hate the franchise so Avp r dident do as well
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Quote from: marrerom on May 02, 2008, 08:38:27 PM
Quote from: PREDATOR KING on May 02, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Avp r is just better :) ;D
not according to the reviews, and the box office.
well I think the badness of AVP made viewers hate the franchise so Avp r dident do as well
Pre-conceived notions are hard to avoid, I agree.
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Quote from: marrerom on May 02, 2008, 08:38:27 PM
Quote from: PREDATOR KING on May 02, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Avp r is just better :) ;D
not according to the reviews, and the box office.
well I think the badness of AVP made viewers hate the franchise so Avp r dident do as well
avp gave a bad start to a franchise that could have been good, so where else would it go except down hill?
If you made me pick, I'd choose Reqiuem. AR is... kinda dull. It's not much fun, and never really exciting.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 02, 2008, 07:05:14 PM
Quote from: Porkus Maximus on May 02, 2008, 05:20:05 PM
QuoteOne-liners and bad pun jokes are the foundation of the Alien franchise.
Wat.
Yeah, don't you remember all those hilarious jokes Ash made? Or was it Lambert? I forget now.
...[no response]
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Quote from: PREDATOR KING on May 02, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Avp r is just better :) ;D
not according to the reviews, and the box office.
well I think the badness of AVP made viewers hate the franchise so Avp r dident do as well
avp gave a bad start to a franchise that could have been good, so where else would it go except down hill?
People said the same thing about Batman after B:F. Still went up, so there's hope.
Obviously, all the Predator fanboys voted for Requiem... ::)
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Quote from: PREDATOR KING on May 02, 2008, 08:36:08 PM
Avp r is just better :) ;D
not according to the reviews, and the box office.
well I think the badness of AVP made viewers hate the franchise so Avp r dident do as well
avp gave a bad start to a franchise that could have been good, so where else would it go except down hill?
People said the same thing about Batman after B:F. Still went up, so there's hope.
Yea, that's because they hired people with talent and Batman movies are a huge money-maker which means it will get a big budget. Nothing like that will happen with AVP.
Oh wait, I just remembered.... Wal-Mart bought out the company.... I must be a fool CLEARLY A:R is a masterpiece second to none. Only a genius of a film would come up with that.
Talk about $h1tting on a franchise... I seriously thought that Riply was going to start lactating while codling the Newborn.
Sorry folks, but I despise how the Alien franchise ended. We can clone animals right now, but it takes 200 years for an advanced military operation to clone Riply.... My God....
You missed the whole genetic mixing thing, eh?
I doubt it actually took them 200 years, either.
Quote from: SM on May 04, 2008, 10:26:36 AM
You missed the whole genetic mixing thing, eh?
I don't think he did...
AvP r for me. A:R sucks!
QuoteI don't think he did...
His post would indicate otherwise.
ha, i wonder what colin thinks of this poll...his movie is almost on par with A:R and this is website is pred fanboy central.
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Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
ha, i wonder what colin thinks of this poll...his movie is almost on par with A:R and this is website is pred fanboy central.
it is?
Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
ha, i wonder what colin thinks of this poll...his movie is almost on par with A:R and this is website is pred fanboy central.
A:R is way better.
....In my opinion.
Quote from: severen76 on May 06, 2008, 08:39:23 PM
Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
ha, i wonder what colin thinks of this poll...his movie is almost on par with A:R and this is website is pred fanboy central.
A:R is way better.
....In my opinion.
way better
Somebody needs to make that site. www.predfanboycentral.com
The mere existence of it would cause hilarity to ensue.
True, in most of avp website, there is more Predator fanboy than Alien fanboy.
www.predator-lover.com ?
A:R in my opinion wasnt all that bad, it wasnt the best but it still wasnt as bad as AVPR.
Alien Resurrection. I hate AVP-R, it's a bad "movie" for me.
Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
this is website is pred fanboy central.
This should be a poll itself. Alien or Predator. I guarantee it is Alien... more than double.... Or Alien fans just cry louder ;)
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Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
this is website is pred fanboy central.
This should be a poll itself. Alien or Predator. I guarantee it is Alien... more than double.... Or Alien fans just cry louder ;)
It's actually Predator (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=1000.0)
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Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
this is website is pred fanboy central.
This should be a poll itself. Alien or Predator. I guarantee it is Alien... more than double.... Or Alien fans just cry louder ;)
It's actually Predator (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=1000.0)
When comparing the creatures the alien will always lose because people identify more with the predator (the BS are correct with this one). They want to be a predator because he is a powerful creature that has technology and a sense of morality (similar to humans).
But if you made a poll about which movie series is better than I bet that the Alien series would win.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2008, 01:10:55 AM
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Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
this is website is pred fanboy central.
This should be a poll itself. Alien or Predator. I guarantee it is Alien... more than double.... Or Alien fans just cry louder ;)
It's actually Predator (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=1000.0)
When comparing the creatures the alien will always lose because people identify more with the predator (the BS are correct with this one). They want to be a predator because he is a powerful creature that has technology and a sense of morality (similar to humans).
But if you made a poll about which movie series is better than I bet that the Alien series would win.
Here's a little fun fact: The Alien series is a better film series than the Predator series. This, is a fact.
Trust me, I used to be a Predator fanboy, than I finally came to my senses. It's just the truth. There's nothing complex about it. It's the better film series. :)
Look, I don't care how objective you think that is. You just know that's gonna get people pissed and flaming. Totally unnecessary.
Quote from: SiL on May 10, 2008, 06:07:30 AM
Look, I don't care how objective you think that is. You just know that's gonna get people pissed and flaming. Totally unnecessary.
I'm not looking at this from a fanboy perspective. I love watching films and analyzing their aspects when I get the chance. It's a much more quality series. Trust me, there's been worse on this site. I won't point fingers though.
Remember, from a total film-fan point of view.
People shouldn't piss and flame in the first place, anyway. Ya don't like what I said, grab a box of tissues.
QuoteI'm not looking at this from a fanboy perspective.
Exactly, I might be flamed for this, but from an unbiased perspective (non-fan/boy) on both series the Alien one has much more to offer.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 10, 2008, 06:10:16 AM
I'm not looking at this from a fanboy perspective.
I didn't say you were. I'm just saying you
know people are going to take issue with that, and it was totally unnecessary. And just because someone's posted worse flame bait doesn't excuse you.
Alien Res, A: because im an alien based fan. B: It has a stronger story line. and C: cant beat an original series of movies. :P
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 10, 2008, 06:06:05 AM
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Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
this is website is pred fanboy central.
This should be a poll itself. Alien or Predator. I guarantee it is Alien... more than double.... Or Alien fans just cry louder ;)
It's actually Predator (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=1000.0)
When comparing the creatures the alien will always lose because people identify more with the predator (the BS are correct with this one). They want to be a predator because he is a powerful creature that has technology and a sense of morality (similar to humans).
But if you made a poll about which movie series is better than I bet that the Alien series would win.
Here's a little fun fact: The Alien series is a better film series than the Predator series. This, is a fact.
Trust me, I used to be a Predator fanboy, than I finally came to my senses. It's just the truth. There's nothing complex about it. It's the better film series. :)
It's a fact b/c you said so. Ok. Gotcha. ::)
A fan can like whatever series he wants.
However, if one were to look at the two individual series from a filmmaking and artistic perspective, the Alien series is clearly better.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 10, 2008, 06:06:05 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on May 10, 2008, 04:58:42 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 10, 2008, 01:10:55 AM
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Quote from: marrerom on May 05, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
this is website is pred fanboy central.
This should be a poll itself. Alien or Predator. I guarantee it is Alien... more than double.... Or Alien fans just cry louder ;)
It's actually Predator (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=1000.0)
When comparing the creatures the alien will always lose because people identify more with the predator (the BS are correct with this one). They want to be a predator because he is a powerful creature that has technology and a sense of morality (similar to humans).
But if you made a poll about which movie series is better than I bet that the Alien series would win.
Here's a little fun fact: The Alien series is a better film series than the Predator series. This, is a fact.
That call a opinion not a fact ;).
I'd say the Alien series is obviously better. I prefer the predator as a creature, but there's a reason why Alien and Aliens are mentioned as some as the best films of the genre/ever, while Predator 2 is basically never talked about by anyone who isn't on this forum.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 10, 2008, 04:30:45 PM
A fan can like whatever series he wants.
However, if one were to look at the two individual series from a filmmaking and artistic perspective, the Alien series is clearly better.
This is what I'm trying to say, now if some people weren't so dense they could realize that.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 10, 2008, 04:30:45 PM
A fan can like whatever series he wants.
However, if one were to look at the two individual series from a filmmaking and artistic perspective, the Alien series is clearly better.
Nobody can compare the alien and the Predator serie because basically they're not the same kind of movies.Both involve aliens species but that's not enough.
At that point you can just tell your opinion.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 10, 2008, 08:43:28 PM
This is what I'm trying to say, now if some people weren't so dense they could realize that.
I get exactly what you're trying to say. I also get you're an idiot for saying it in a place where Johnny Handsome and French Pred post.
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Quote from: That Yellow Alien on May 10, 2008, 04:30:45 PM
A fan can like whatever series he wants.
However, if one were to look at the two individual series from a filmmaking and artistic perspective, the Alien series is clearly better.
Nobody can compare the alien and the Predator serie because basically they're not the same kind of movies.Both involve aliens species but that's not enough.
At that point you can just tell your opinion.
The film
Alien raised the bar for sci-fi films on the whole.
Aliens was just a great action movie, though I think some people would argue it did something for films in general; not sure what though.
Predator on the other hand, depending on who you ask, was just a fun guy film, and didn't really do anything for sci-fi films.
Everyone just shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.
You sound annoyed ;)
Quote from: SiL on May 10, 2008, 09:57:36 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 10, 2008, 08:43:28 PM
This is what I'm trying to say, now if some people weren't so dense they could realize that.
I get exactly what you're trying to say. I also get you're an idiot for saying it in a place where Johnny Handsome and French Pred post.
Well, they should know better too. Saying some of the stuff they say in a place where
I post.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on May 10, 2008, 11:33:28 PM
Well, they should know better too. Saying some of the stuff they say in a place where
I post.
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Quote from: Aeus on May 10, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
Everyone just shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup.
Well i'm with AvPR. But i also like A:R (i like both i just prefer AvPR)
The only movies i really hate are predators and AvP, strange isn't it?
Why the hell is this even a sticky?
A lot of threads that directly pit the franchises films against each other get the sticky treatment. I'm surprised though that this topic of debate ever game about. I would have expected there to be more discussion regarding the quality of the first AVP to AR as AVP was the first new film in either series since Resurrection.
I definitely prefer A:R. It's my least favorite of the Alien series but it grows on me with each subsequent viewing. It's not a bad science fiction or action movie really, at least i don't think so. It just doesn't fit with the rest of the series. As for Requiem it's my least favorite of all 9 films.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 03, 2011, 06:45:56 PM
Why the hell is this even a sticky?
Indeed. No ones looked at for 2-3 years.
To answer the thread question, even tho AVP:R is so bad that it can hardly qualify as a professional movie and is certainly one of the worst and miscalculated sequels ever, I still like it better than Resurection.
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Requiem. Because of Wolf mainly.
hard to decide, i like the two films, avpr have all i wished to see in a versus of alien and pred, but resurrection have more style, is in the future, have more dedication, better performances, great action and gore scenes, interesting ideas about the alien , and the newborn really scared me when i was a kid, but for wolf and chet i decide AVPR
but realy resurection is better film, i vote avpr just for predilection ::).
Alien: Resurrection is wayyy better then avp-r. It was still an alien movie with fleshier aliens but it fitted the story. also it A:R had a lot of sexual aspects wich i loved. avp-r had fat fleshy aliens without a story. lame characters. so A:R for me for sure.
Resurrection by far. AvPR hardly even qualifies as a professional movie.
Wow, its like this thread had a resurrection.
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But really, at least A:R had interesting characters, little shitting around with canon, and is so far after the original films I hardly give a crap about it.
f**k Resurrection. Everything about it sucked as much as Requiem did. Only difference is Resurrection's abomination is 100 times ulglier than Requiem's.
Resurrection, without a doubt. It certainly isn't perfect, especially by Alien standards, but it at least made sense, is enjoyable to watch, and can be seen.
And the Newborn makes sense. Chet doesn't.
How does Chet not make sense? Alien born from a Predator. Nothing complicated there.
They're both horrible to me. A:R did a silly thing by bringing back Ripley after such a perfect ending to her character (and Weaver still seems to think her character wasn't resolved? She had three arguably perfect endings in the first three films alone, after her death that surely should've been it). AVPR feels so outside the ALIEN spectrum that I usually have trouble realising that it actually exists, nevermind 'related' to series.
you necrophiliac sons of a bitch!
When I watch Requiem, I think "K, this should've been way better." When I watch Resurrection, I think "The fuuuuuuck..."
the a:r extended edition is good in any thing, i dont like the intro with that false cgi bug :-X but the newt reference was too fu(king great ;D was touching :P
i love chet more than newborn, the newborn is hard to believe but im believe in him yet, chet is more believable and i dont bother about her reproduction method, the aliens are strange, and everything can happen 8)
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 12, 2011, 11:36:32 PM
When I watch Requiem, I think "K, this should've been way better." When I watch Resurrection, I think "The fuuuuuuck..."
When I watch Requiem, I thin- well, I never watch Requiem. But when I watch Resurrection, I thi- actually, I never watch Resurrection either.
Every time I watch AR I like it more.
I don't really have a problem with Ressurrection until after the ladder scene (except for Ripley 1-7 scene). Then it just feels off for the remainder of the flick.
It's a little bit like 28 Weeks Later. They put their most climatic scene at the beggining, and nothing even came close later. The same for the underwater/ladder scene in Res. Everything else seemed to go standard fare afterwards, and the queen/newborn shit I still find unwatchable.
Stripe me in as one that also can't take the Ripley torches clones scene seriously. I know fans and some reviewers make it sound like this was some revelatory scene concerning Ripley's character, but I found it completely unalien and comic strip worthy.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Aug 13, 2011, 03:58:30 AMStripe me in as one that also can't take the Ripley torches clones scene seriously. I know fans and some reviewers make it sound like this was some revelatory scene concerning Ripley's character, but I found it completely unalien and comic strip worthy.
i like that scene, very dramatical, the only thing who ruins the scene is the last comment of Johner :-\
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 12, 2011, 08:47:11 PM
How does Chet not make sense?
Eggbarf + too many traits.
I agree her execution sucked but the creature wasn't a bad idea.
I know.
But that's what doesn't make sense about the Predalien.
I wanted to have the Predalien use Eggmorphing before she would become a full grown queen. Also i wanted her to have more Alien like colors and a more Mechanical look. I like Chet as a movie monster. Not as much as an alien.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 13, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 12, 2011, 08:47:11 PM
How does Chet not make sense?
Eggbarf + too many traits.
Yeah, that. If they got rid of egg barfing, and toned down the yellow coloring a bit, it wouldn't have been so bad. Kind of cool actually. I would also like to see the dreds removed, or at least more mechanical looking, but its not as big a deal as the color,I think.
There are better predalien designs, but Chet wasn't completely terrible.
In terms of story, though, the egg barfing completely killed it. The Newborn at least had a reason to be ugly and act un-alien.
Rez is much better than AVPR. They both suck just I think A:R is a bit better.
Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 24, 2011, 04:01:13 AM
Rez is much better than AVPR. They both suck just I think A:R is a bit better.
Kinda like hookers ;D
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Quote from: delsaber8 on Aug 24, 2011, 04:01:13 AM
Rez is much better than AVPR. They both suck just I think A:R is a bit better.
Kinda like hookers ;D
lol :D
Chet existed before the movie, in the EU. I hate the design (sorry Predxeno) but understand the lead in from the first AVP which was also taken from the comics.
A:R was too far of a stretch. Ripley died in A3, we had closure. Ripley cloning is bad enough but pile on Alien DNA? Too much. I did appreciate how the made Call, alphabetically correct and advanced. I can't wrap my head around Newborn ???
As flawed as AVP:R is, we still get some consistancy and a lot of "Predator action" always good.
QuoteI can't wrap my head around Newborn
What's not to wrap your head around. It's all explained in the film by Gediman.
I hate the predalien design in AVPR but then again if they got it right not all fans/people would like it. And the egg barfing part added to the creature didn't real make much sense or make the story any better.
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2011, 10:48:45 PM
QuoteI can't wrap my head around Newborn
What's not to wrap your head around. It's all explained in the film by Gediman.
Personally I just didn't care for the design. It didn't help matters that it was a hideous creature in an already awful film.
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2011, 10:48:45 PM
QuoteI can't wrap my head around Newborn
What's not to wrap your head around. It's all explained in the film by Gediman.
It doesn't belong.
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Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2011, 10:48:45 PM
QuoteI can't wrap my head around Newborn
What's not to wrap your head around. It's all explained in the film by Gediman.
It doesn't belong.
I can see how it works in that situation, but it all comes down to the fact that the whole movie is bad.
Resurrection was by far superior. It was at least halfway decent if you forget that it was supposed to be an Alien film.
That... thing we got a few years ago was terrible no matter how you slice it.
You can't. That's what having Ripley in a film does. It makes the film that much harder to digest.
I was able to, because she didn't act like Ripley at all. When I removed my Alien fandom from the equation, it was just a film that had Sigourney Weaver in it.
requiem was more entertaining
resurrection had no teenagers
tough call...both were disappointing, especially requiem's terrible setting
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2011, 06:34:57 PM
I was able to, because she didn't act like Ripley at all. When I removed my Alien fandom from the equation, it was just a film that had Sigourney Weaver in it.
How does Ripley act? Running from Aliens scared? Coz that's more or less what happened in Res.
For one thing, she doesn't say shit like "Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?"
See, Res had dialogue unlike Requiem but geez, it was sometimes just as painful as Requiem's lack of it.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2011, 06:55:45 PM
For one thing, she doesn't say shit like "Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?"
I guess the whole thing about her being mostly Ripley, but kinda not all Ripley...
Oh, why the f**k do I bother...
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2011, 06:55:45 PM
For one thing, she doesn't say shit like "Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?"
But it wasnt Ripley. Not that I defend or would ever defend Resurrection which I consider one of the dumbest if not the dumbest scifi movie in history, but what Weaver played was one of 8 mutant clones (sounds like something from Marvel comics or cheap scifi flicks not Alien saga) created from dead Ripley's blood, with a cliche personality of an 80s tough guy and stupid X-Men superpowers
It was Deadpool's mother.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 29, 2011, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Aug 28, 2011, 06:55:45 PM
For one thing, she doesn't say shit like "Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?"
But it wasnt Ripley. Not that I defend or would ever defend Resurrection which I consider one of the dumbest if not the dumbest scifi movie in history, but what Weaver played was one of 8 mutant clones (sounds like something from Marvel comics or cheap scifi flicks not Alien saga) created from dead Ripley's blood, with a cliche personality of an 80s tough guy and stupid X-Men superpowers
That's exactly what I'm saying. It wasn't Ripley. Which makes it easier for me to forget that it was an Alien film. It was just some sci-fi movie with Sigouney Weaver in it.
So you're cloning a woman 200 years after her death, and you expect her to --
Uh.
Quote from: SM on Aug 28, 2011, 11:41:35 PM
Oh, why the f**k do I bother...
Words cannot say how much I agree.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 05, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
So you're cloning a woman 200 years after her death, and you expect her to --
Uh.
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I didn't expect her to act the same. In fact, I'm glad she didn't, because it made it easier for me to forget that it was supposed to be an Alien film.
As I said, it wound up being a mediocre sci-fi film with Sigourney Weaver. If I think of it as an Alien film, my piss begins to boil.
You said she didn't act like Ripley and that was a problem for you. Sounds to me like you did expect her to.
I'm not sure what I'm saying anymore.
All I know is A:R as a film = okay.
As an Alien film = shit.
Both are insults to filmography. The only saving grace of A:R was Ron Perlman and Brad Dourif (you know, the guy who actually treated Ripley like a person and not a dog like the other scientists?) and AVP:R was just messed up on so many levels. The saving grace is The Wolf, the Aliens and the Predalien. But the characters? The plot? the setting? the predator homeworld??? Noooo....
Quoteyou know, the guy who actually treated Ripley like a person and not a dog like the other scientists?
She was a meat by product. How should she be treated?
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Sep 20, 2011, 05:55:15 PM
Both are insults to filmography. The only saving grace of A:R was Ron Perlman and Brad Dourif (you know, the guy who actually treated Ripley like a person and not a dog like the other scientists?) and AVP:R was just messed up on so many levels. The saving grace is The Wolf, the Aliens and the Predalien. But the characters? The plot? the setting? the predator homeworld??? Noooo....
I'm in the middle on this one. While I chose Alien: Resurrection only because I see it as superior film, I do find AVPR more entertaining.
Why isn't "They are both poor" winning.
I worry about you guys :-\
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Sep 21, 2011, 09:52:24 PM
Why isn't "They are both poor" winning.
I worry about you guys :-\
They are both poor I think most people have one they hate more.
One is more-than poor.
The other isn't.
I rewatched A:R today after not seeing it since 1997. Better than I remembered. It deserves a bump up a notch over AvP 2004 in my list. Definitely better than AvPR.
Lastly I have a question: when Ripley fell and landed on some slimey alien carpeting before she encountered the queen, what the hell was that slimey stuff? Was that the top of the queen's sack (if you can call it that) and then proceeded to spit her out of the side of the sack?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 22, 2011, 01:20:25 PM
One is more-than poor.
The other isn't.
The only thing I like about AV:R is the design of the
Betty. Nice looking ship that one.
The only thing I like about AVP:R .....
Ok maybe I should of voted for AVP:R :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: delsaber8 on Sep 21, 2011, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Sep 21, 2011, 09:52:24 PM
Why isn't "They are both poor" winning.
I worry about you guys :-\
They are both poor I think most people have one they hate more.
Yeah. It starts with an R and rhymes with resurrection.
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Sep 22, 2011, 01:41:07 PM
The only thing I like about AV:R is the design of the Betty.
Never heard of such a film.
:P
I think he meant A:R and I agree the Betty was pretty amazing.
Resurrection has its good moments that keep it from being direly bad. It's definitely not a movie to be proud to have in the universe, but it's still f***ing poetry compared to AvP:R.
AvP:R should just be wiped from history.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Sep 22, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
I think he meant A:R and I agree the Betty was pretty amazing.
I exaggeratedly joked on the typo. :P
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 22, 2011, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Vecrotus on Sep 22, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
I think he meant A:R and I agree the Betty was pretty amazing.
I exaggeratedly joked on the typo. :P
I know. I just needed an excuse to increase my post count. An opportunity is an opportunity.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Sep 22, 2011, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 22, 2011, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Vecrotus on Sep 22, 2011, 05:49:21 PM
I think he meant A:R and I agree the Betty was pretty amazing.
I exaggeratedly joked on the typo. :P
I know. I just needed an excuse to increase my post count. An opportunity is an opportunity.
I know what you mean I'm doing it right now.
Quote from: Some Mothers Do Have Em! on Sep 22, 2011, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 22, 2011, 01:20:25 PM
One is more-than poor.
The other isn't.
The only thing I like about AV:R is the design of the Betty. Nice looking ship that one.
The only thing I like about AVP:R .....
Ok maybe I should of voted for AVP:R :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Actually, I totally f**ked it!! ::) :P
The question is "which do I prefer"....so I should of voted for
Requiem. It has one thing I like in it at least. I can't say the same about AVP:R. Only good thing that has going for it is, it is better than the first AVP Movie. :laugh:
QuoteLastly I have a question: when Ripley fell and landed on some slimey alien carpeting before she encountered the queen, what the hell was that slimey stuff? Was that the top of the queen's sack (if you can call it that) and then proceeded to spit her out of the side of the sack?
Hive and bits of Alien. If, as has been theorised, the hive is a sort of fungus that is instigated by the Alien then left to grow of it's own accord, put it's appearance here down to genetic f**ked uppery. Interestingly this bit of 'hive' doesn't appear to be connected to the hive in waste tank 5. It's bits of old script drafts, where they had to go through the hive to get to the Betty. Then later they were OVER the hive, but not in it. Then what ended up on screen was not a continuous hive, but the shit Ripley gets dragged into - then unhived corridors between it and the waste tank. Continual budget cuts would've been the cause of this, as Weaver and Ryder had to go and plead with Bill Mechanic to keep stuff like the 'viper pit' (as Weaver called it) in the film.
Good stuff, thanks.
Personally I think AVPR is better than A:R, but I think we all knew that.
Adding to what I said 2 posts prior, one huge difference is that I like General Perez a lot more this time. Whereas I detested everything about the character the first time around. I can accept the campiness of A:R now and it's not so bad.
The humour in A:R is okay after a viewing or two.
I'm not a huge fan of either, but I choose A:R just cuz it's easier to watch
AvP:R just makes me sick
A:R should of been instead of what we got, a direct sequel to Alien 3. Maybe not the best idea but perhaps there was another Facehugger in the Sullaco that was more intelligent and waited for the Weyland-Yutani to arrive after the piece of it crashed onto Fury. And follows with Morse. They get on the ship and leave Fury but the Facehugger impregnates someone and the ship crashes on another planet. I can't think of more at this time but I would of prefered that than A:R. Maybe Sigourney Weaver could of had a cameo on a picture or a video log at some point.
Although I don't like the AVPR, I do have a stronger preference for the extended version over the theatrical version. I just wished that they would have released it on Blu-ray here in the UK.
While A:R did had a bad plot at least it had a story unlike AVPR. AVPR feel like it had no plot at all, just a bad video game with no meaning behind it.
AVP:R and A:R in my opinion had no story at all.
I disagree. Both movie had some form of plot going on. And while both were terrible, at least A: R made sense and it was easier to understand what was happening in the film.
I'll try to answer this question whenever/if I ever get around to being able to finish watching AVP:R.
But I think I know what my answer will be..... sadly, that says a lot about Resurrection. Too bad.
I just prefer the Predalien over the newborn as far as hybrids go.
I just prefer Caro and Jeunet in Delicatessen and City of Lost Children and probably over anything in the entire Alien universe :o (okay maybe except prefering City of Lost Children to Alien)
Quote from: StayFrosty on Oct 29, 2011, 07:08:18 PM
I'll try to answer this question whenever/if I ever get around to being able to finish watching AVP:R.
Get drunk, it dulls the pain :laugh:
Quote from: LadyZero on Nov 04, 2011, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: StayFrosty on Oct 29, 2011, 07:08:18 PM
I'll try to answer this question whenever/if I ever get around to being able to finish watching AVP:R.
Get drunk, it dulls the pain :laugh:
that's what i do when I read ignorant posts
If you want to get drunk whilst watching AvPR, try the AvPR drinking game! (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=31582.msg708597#msg708597)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 06, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
If you want to get drunk whilst watching AvPR, try the AvPR drinking game! (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=31582.msg708597#msg708597)
I'm going to get so f**ked up.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Nov 06, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
If you want to get drunk whilst watching AvPR, try the AvPR drinking game! (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=31582.msg708597#msg708597)
I don't know what would kill me first. Watching AVPR or getting so drunk that I pass out and never wake up :-\ Proberally watching AVPR ;D
Res.
Better characters.
Better story.
Better designs.
Better dialogue.
Better lighting.
Better everything.
It's sad to say that Resurrection could be so much better than any movie.
Unfortunately, it is.
Alien resurrection. Alien resurrection is second to last. Aliens vs predator requiem is last.
Off topic
My list from best to worst
Aliens
Alien
Predator
Predators
Alien 3
Predator 2
Aliens vs predator
alien resurrection
Aliens vs predator requiem
Resurrection.
Quote from: Alien Jockey on Dec 25, 2011, 03:48:52 AM
Off topic
My list from best to worst
Aliens
Alien
Predator
Predators
Alien 3
Predator 2
Aliens vs predator
alien resurrection
Aliens vs predator requiem
^More or less. :)
...but I vote they both suck! :D
Quote from: CyberDemon13 on Dec 26, 2011, 12:27:43 AM
...but I vote they both suck! :D
Compared to their predecessors they do suck. That's why their at the bottom of my list. A:r and Avpr are good compared to a lot of other alien movies.
...no, not really. AvP:R is not.
AvP was an average good movie. AvP:R was literally one of the worst acted, worst filmed, and worst written big studio movies of the past decade.
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 28, 2008, 12:36:21 AM
I don't understand how anyone can prefer AvPR over Resurrection, but...okay....
^^This. I'm having a hard time understanding as well. But I guess people prefer blood & gore over actual storyline & dialogue?
i dont even get the hate Ressurection gets, its not even in the same league as AVP:R Alien ressurection is one of my favourite in the entire Alien franchise.
Quote from: AlexVelez on Dec 27, 2011, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: RumorControl on Apr 28, 2008, 12:36:21 AM
I don't understand how anyone can prefer AvPR over Resurrection, but...okay....
^^This. I'm having a hard time understanding as well. But I guess people prefer blood & gore over actual storyline & dialogue?
Requiem was dumb fun. Resurrection was WTF.
Just ditch the "fun" bit and you nailed it.
Not for me, thanks.
The only thing I liked about AvP:R was the idea of Wolf. Sadly, it was executed poorly, soo... the whole movie was just a steaming pile crap. ;D
Reqium was just awful too dark and bad acting and completely messed up stuff like how the aliens work resurrection at least sort of worked and had better acting and was well lit
Quote from: Queen7 on Jan 18, 2012, 11:57:23 PM
Reqium was just awful too dark and bad acting and completely messed up stuff like how the aliens work resurrection at least sort of worked and had better acting and was well lit
punctuation marks, man.
anywhee. why isnt there a thread called AVP:R or Alien 3?
That movie is the
worst.Ressurrection was in my opinion one of the best.
Alien 3 is a great movie ! piece of art ! avp-r is utter sh*t. That movie shouldn't be compared to any of the alien movies.
wut. it is terrible. the pacing was awful, the dialogue was stupid, character badly written.
Alien: rez had a creepy as f**k atmosphere, gross scenes, great characters, great actors, and overall good directing.
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 20, 2012, 06:05:02 PM
wut. it is terrible. the pacing was awful, the dialogue was stupid, character badly written.
Alien: rez had a creepy as f**k atmosphere, gross scenes, great characters, great actors, and overall good directing.
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Comparing Alien 3 to Requiem.... really? Alien 3 is Oscar worthy next to that pile of turd.... in fact a pile of turd is Oscar worthy compared to Requiem
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 02, 2012, 04:00:00 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 20, 2012, 06:05:02 PM
wut. it is terrible. the pacing was awful, the dialogue was stupid, character badly written.
Alien: rez had a creepy as f**k atmosphere, gross scenes, great characters, great actors, and overall good directing.
http://davideldon.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83534a31869e20162fcf8ca8f970d-800wi
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Quote from: Edvin on Feb 10, 2012, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 02, 2012, 04:00:00 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 20, 2012, 06:05:02 PM
wut. it is terrible. the pacing was awful, the dialogue was stupid, character badly written.
Alien: rez had a creepy as f**k atmosphere, gross scenes, great characters, great actors, and overall good directing.
http://davideldon.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83534a31869e20162fcf8ca8f970d-800wi
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/957-come-at-me-bro.jpg
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haha, but seriously tho, what did i say that was so "Sigh"?
Quote from: Edvin on Feb 11, 2012, 02:28:43 PM
haha, but seriously tho, what did i say that was so "Sigh"?
I thought you were talking about Alien3.
Resurrection. Devoid of plot, good writing, good characters, good actors (save Ron Pearlman)
Both films suck though I prefer AvP:R. Hell, I prefer AvP over Resurrection.
yeah i hate A:R so im going with AVP:R
Hell, I don't even remember voting on this. Says I voted for Resurrection. Well, that's wrong. I like A:R, but I like AVP:R more. So, yeah.
I treat A:R as a bonus film in the Alien universe which isn't terrible but isn't as good as the other 3. I found it entertaining enough and it still gets a spin from time to time. AVP:R. I barely managed to sit through in one sitting, it used both franchises (poorly) and turned it into a teen slasher flick. A:R has its shortcomings but AVP:R fails across the board.
While not as bad as the blasphemy that is Requiem, Resurrection is still appalling. The dialogue is awful, the action sequences are terrible, the Aliens look worse, the actors are poor, the weapons look stupid and Ripley has been cloned!!! >:(
Each one has its thing, i like resurrection a loT
Alien Resurrection vs AvP : R.
Like choosing which gas chamber to go into...
Alien Resurrection is almost salvageable. Some editing work could really repair the damage. As the guy who runs "Alien Legend" pointed out in his now gone "My Thoughts" section of A:R, there were many things that could have been changed with a few edits which would have greatly improved the film. The one thing the film needs desperately is to have the pace reworked. More action, more actual horror.
However, beyond all that, it is still a far better crafted film. It has an identity of it's own, as silly and strange as it is.
AvP:R shoot's itself in the foot from the word go. It banks on nostalgia right off the bat, lays it on thick for it's run time... Which is a bad thing, because it's trying to cover up for lacking it's own identity as a movie. It gives us incompetent Predators and feeble, weak, aliens. Neither are particularly threatening. The characters we are given are fed some very awful dialogue.. No thank you. I went into AvP:R very hopeful and excited. I didn't want to hate it. I wanted to enjoy it, but it frankly didn't even try to meet me halfway on that. Sure it has "lots of action" but that doesn't mean it's better for it, or that the action itself is good. Which it isn't. It's often very dark, and very... Silly, over the top.
A:R beats AVPR. The only good thing about AVPR is that there are Predators and Aliens. .Nothing ells. A:R is not bad, but its not in the line of Alien movies.The only thing I know for sure is that AVPR is really stupid and pointless.
A:R is also stupid and pointless in its own way. You thought there was a point to cloning Ripley?
It's no more silly or pointless than the introduction for the third film.
And AvPR has plenty of room to beat that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
A:R is also stupid and pointless in its own way. You thought there was a point to cloning Ripley?
To get an Alien from her is the ENTIRE point.
Quote from: SM on Apr 15, 2012, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
A:R is also stupid and pointless in its own way. You thought there was a point to cloning Ripley?
To get an Alien from her is the ENTIRE point.
Ripley was cloned to make Fox more money!!
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 16, 2012, 07:27:47 AM
Ripley was cloned to make Fox more money!!
Waaait -- isn't that the same reason for which there was an egg on the Sulaco?
the company! the company did it!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 16, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Apr 16, 2012, 07:27:47 AM
Ripley was cloned to make Fox more money!!
Waaait -- isn't that the same reason for which there was an egg on the Sulaco?
Or Ripley was sent back to LV-426?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 15, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
A:R is also stupid and pointless in its own way. You thought there was a point to cloning Ripley?
Although it's a dumb idea, it could have given way to a very interesting rebirth of the character. A lot of people seem to enjoy her strangeness, but frankly i didn't feel there was ENOUGH of Ripley's strangeness. By the time the aliens kidnap her she more or less has become herself again. Which is wrong. She's not Ripley... She's Ripley 8. A different person, with only an echo of her memories from her previous life. It could have been compelling if they focused on her character's differences.
"Ellen Ripley would never have gone along with this."
"I'm not Ellen Ripley."
Something pulled from that idea would have worked.
I say Alien Resurrection, thats a good movie.
AVPR hell no.
Quote"Ellen Ripley would never have gone along with this."
"I'm not Ellen Ripley."
While I get the sentiment anyone who knew what Ellen Ripley would have gone along with has been dead for two centuries.
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2012, 02:52:38 AM
Quote"Ellen Ripley would never have gone along with this."
"I'm not Ellen Ripley."
While I get the sentiment anyone who knew what Ellen Ripley would have gone along with has been dead for two centuries.
Call is really who I was thinking about with that sentiment.
Reading about a small portion of Ripleys exploits from a religious fanatic, isn't going to give an entirely accurate insight to her psyche. Plus Call is the first one to state "You're not [Ripley]." Quite the opposite.
Quote from: SM on Apr 17, 2012, 03:48:55 AM
Reading about a small portion of Ripleys exploits from a religious fanatic, isn't going to give an entirely accurate insight to her psyche. Plus Call is the first one to state "You're not [Ripley]." Quite the opposite.
I always got the impression she knew way more about Ripley than a "portion." That's really what i'm saying, that entire hook of the Call character should have been made better use of throughout the story. A lot of the stuff between Ripley and Call basically goes nowhere throughout the movie, It would have been nice if it had been less messy and focused more on trying to bring some of the old Ripley back to Ripley 8. Instead of Ripley basically just kinda... Being there, only with super powers.
QuoteI always got the impression she knew way more about Ripley than a "portion."
Actually you're right - she probably does. But whether old Company personnel records give her enough insight or not - I don't know. I doubt anyone Ripley knew, actually knew what Ripley wouldn't and wouldn't go along with. She didn't know anyone on the Nostromo in any real depth, and anyone she met after that other than Burke was dead within a couple of days.
QuoteA lot of the stuff between Ripley and Call basically goes nowhere throughout the movie, It would have been nice if it had been less messy and focused more on trying to bring some of the old Ripley back to Ripley 8. Instead of Ripley basically just kinda... Being there, only with super powers.
By the end, there's a strong hint of the real human Ripley - ironically brought to the fore by a machine. Though I agree to an extent that it could've been more focused. Even though the real Ripley is of course, dead.
It's just unfair to compare Alien Resurrection to AVPR, between the two Alien Resurrection was the far better movie.
AVPR had far too many problems.
A:R had it's own set of problems, by far. Sure they can be compared. I for one, prefer AvP:R over Resurrection.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 31, 2012, 11:32:54 PM
A:R had it's own set of problems, by far. Sure they can be compared. I for one, prefer AvP:R over Resurrection.
How can AVP:R be better then Alien Resurrection :laugh:. Really, AVP:R had 99% of problems it was hated far more then Resurrection.
Resurrection was a giant WTF that took itself seriously. AvP:R to me is just dumb fun.
Always prefer a movie that makes you ask questions.
I liked aspects of ARes up until immediately after the chapel sequence.
Didn't like Whedon's/Juenet's humor shots. I don't find perez looking at his own brain particularly funny, just childish. And I probably would've left Ripley's findings of 1-7 in the script, but off the screen. The way it was presented was too circus carnival for my taste. But other than that, it wasn't mindblowing, but it wasn't terrible either. After the chapel sequence, when ripley gets pulled into the nest, there is an insinuation she's bopping the alien, the newborn sequence, Wren shooting ol boy ninety times, the newborn's death. It just got to out there man.
The 1-7 scene is often cited as the films best scene.
Quote from: SM on Jun 01, 2012, 12:09:58 AM
Always prefer a movie that makes you ask questions.
Sometimes I like to shut my brain off. Then again, the only question I asked after watching Resurrection was, "Why?".
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 01, 2012, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: SM on Jun 01, 2012, 12:09:58 AM
Always prefer a movie that makes you ask questions.
Sometimes I like to shut my brain off. Then again, the only question I asked after watching Resurrection was, "Why?".
Yeah, I tried to watch that movie the other day and stopped it after about ten minutes. Visually impressive, but there really is no brains to it.
Quote from: SM on Jun 01, 2012, 02:38:20 AM
The 1-7 scene is often cited as the films best scene.
To me it was kind of sleazy. Which may very well be the point. To make ripley look into a carnival freakshow and grow even more disgusted at the new corporate/military slime. It just always seemed to me like an unnecessary way to drag Ripley through the mud even more.
I can't really explain it in words. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Dragging the protagonist through the mud is the whole point of a second act. If only they'd done it a bit more.
Quote from: SM on Jun 01, 2012, 04:21:43 AM
Dragging the protagonist through the mud is the whole point of a second act. If only they'd done it a bit more.
My only complaint with that scene is it feels like it exists in a vacuum.
Where's Ripley's rage past that scene? She never even makes a mention of making the people responsible pay, or anything.
I think it's sad, because there was a lot of potential to carry through from that emotionally through the film.
Bizarrely enough I was just thinking that very thing. Next scene she's making mitt der funnies about "I'm the monsters mother".
Which is a product of editing. They swapped the 1-7 scene and Finding Purvis scene. In the correct order, she's still jacked off when they're about to dive under water, and says nothing else until Call re-appears at the lift door.
But you could look at it another way and say it's just down to her fluctuating personality. "I've been finding a lot of things funny lately. But I don't think they are."
There's more to that rather awkward line of dialogue than the entireity of AvP:Poo.
Isn't Purvis even briefly visible walking past as Ripley stops at the clone room? I remember seeing stills of it on a site years back, but I've never been able to spot it while watching it.
Was there ever a reason given for swapping the scene order?
No idea.
And yeah you can see Purvis walking past the door, blurred in the background.
They must've digitally removed him for the shots after she finishes flaming the room, because he's nowhere to be seen.
Honestly, thinking about it I can't see why they swapped the scenes around at all. They're, in technical terms, basically the same scene. People slowly creep into a room, then something loud happens, then they leave the room. In terms of the way they pace, they're identical, so swapping them around didn't really benefit anything.
Unless they were trying to cut down on the time Purvis was around because of his ticking clock. That sorta makes sense, I guess, since that scene basically puts a time bomb into the movie. (Though honestly you only ever feel it once. You know it's going to burst out when the puppet masters feel like it.)
It's not really a ticking time bomb, because they say they're going to off him if he starts to pop. And they do.
The real bomb is the fact they're heading to Earth.
Dislike them both.
Down with Chet and the Newborn!!!
If I was forced to watch one though... I suppose Rez...
While both movies are bad. I'm gonna have to say AVP-R. For me, Rez is just boring. It's boring and silly.
requiem wolf predator ftw :)
Alien Resurrection is much better than Aliens vs. Predator Requiem
As tough as this decision is I am going to say A:R slightly edges out, but only because I can see what is happening there. With that factor out of the way, then I slightly prefer AVPR, but both are atrocious in my opinion.
Alien Res for me, it just looks much better with a lot of nice sci-fi imagination/designs. Down side was the casting and alien hybrid.
I like Alien Resurrection, even if it is the weakest of the Aliens films. My vote goes there.
Resurrection because I can see what im watching.
AvP:R is atrocious in my opinion.
I chose alien resurrection because its got excellent cinematography (or interesting to say the least), sub-par acting, and intimidating aliens. also the characters were fairly well written and intersting. on a side note, oddly enough the two worst alien/predator movies (AvP:R and A:R) scared me the most. So I guess they aren't all bad :/
AVP:R.
It's more entertaining watching wolf kill helpless alien cannon fodder then half mutated ripley and her/the queen's baby share that intimate moment before it's sucked out ::)
Neither are great but I can appreciate the quircky character moments in Resurrection. There's at least some moments in it that work.
AVPR is just... ugh. Even the title feels off.
The 'Requiem' part refers to the Requiem for your brain after you have finished the film.
Lolz! :laugh:
Rez, by a friggin' landslide- though I'll throw AvP-R a bone every once and a while, just for the sheer mindlessness of it ;)
Your avatar just reminded me why I hate Rez so much. Am I looking at an Alien or a giant pile of vomit shaped like an Alien?
Neither.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 29, 2013, 09:31:10 AM
Your avatar just reminded me why I hate Rez so much. Am I looking at an Alien or a giant pile of vomit shaped like an Alien?
You're looking at a beautiful butterfly.
AR at least had Weaver and Perlman
Quote from: szkoki on May 15, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
AR at least had Weaver and Perlman
Pearlman is a cool character actor but I thought hes in a wrong place being in an Alien movie. Weaver on the other hand..the inclusion of the main actor alone can be hurtful and not beneficial at all, for example check out the parodying and goofy acting Arnold in T3, or Englund as a caricature of the character in the latter Nightmare movies, or McDiarmid as over the top Emperor of the new trilogy. Theres a point where a series should just stop while its still good
Quote from: szkoki on May 15, 2013, 09:03:21 PM
AR at least had Weaver
So? She was an idiot for doing Resurrection. The fact that she agreed to it and Alien 3 proves she doesn't care for the integrity of the series because she didn't realize it was time to quit after Aliens. She helped Fox kill a good thing.
She was so dumb for taking all that money to do something she loved. Such a damn fool!
Obviously she did it for money but I still think she helped kill the series. If she hand't agreed to A3, I think we could've ended the series on a high note. Am I wrong?
I think Aliens/A3 split fans the most, me personally I loved A3 and thought it was a perfect ending, for me Resurrection was where the series fell down, yes A3 had it's flaws and FOX's interference hampered Fincher from his full potential but I still love it regardless
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2013, 09:17:50 AM
Obviously she did it for money but I still think she helped kill the series. If she hand't agreed to A3, I think we could've ended the series on a high note. Am I wrong?
Yes; many of the risible A3 concepts/scripts commissioned were devoid of Ripley. They were considering moving ahead without her regardless; had she not returned, there's no guarantee A3 wouldn't have happened.
Quote from: SiL on May 16, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2013, 09:17:50 AM
Obviously she did it for money but I still think she helped kill the series. If she hand't agreed to A3, I think we could've ended the series on a high note. Am I wrong?
Yes; many of the risible A3 concepts/scripts commissioned were devoid of Ripley. They were considering moving ahead without her regardless; had she not returned, there's no guarantee A3 wouldn't have happened.
And wasn't the David Twohy script pretty much a go but Joe Roth stepped in and said he wouldn't make without Weaver? Even though he said he did like Twohy's script.
The ending of A3 was an appropriate ending of Ripley, IMHO. Bringing her back for A:R was a little ridiculous (to me), the Alien franchise should be focused on the Alien not the Hollywood star :-\
Quote from: SiL on May 16, 2013, 10:51:12 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2013, 09:17:50 AM
Obviously she did it for money but I still think she helped kill the series. If she hand't agreed to A3, I think we could've ended the series on a high note. Am I wrong?
Yes; many of the risible A3 concepts/scripts commissioned were devoid of Ripley. They were considering moving ahead without her regardless; had she not returned, there's no guarantee A3 wouldn't have happened.
I stand corrected then :)
I think it's fair to say with or without Ripley FOX are mostly to blame for "killing" the series
I know but I think that without Ripley, at least in my eyes, Sigourney wouldn't have sold out in the interests of a large paycheck.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 16, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
I know but I think that without Ripley, at least in my eyes, Sigourney wouldn't have sold out in the interests of a large paycheck.
How much did she get paid for A3 and Resurrection?
Weaver doesn't feel she sold out, though. She liked the direction they were taking things, and as much as people bitch about Resurrection I can see how the change of personality would be an attractive proposition for someone who'd been playing the role for almost 20 years by that point.
Paycheques aside, I think Weaver does have a genuine love for the character, like any other actor who has played a role for such a length of time, Bruce Willis (John Mclane) for example, I'm sure his paycheques have risen with each movie. It doesn't necessarily mean they have sold out
Weaver reportedly got $5m for Alien3 and $11m for Resurrection, which I believe were pretty hefty paychecks at the time, especially for a woman.
Calling her a "sellout" is lazy and ignorant.
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2013, 12:25:50 AM
Weaver reportedly got $5m for Alien3 and $11m for Resurrection, which I believe were pretty hefty paychecks at the time, especially for a woman.
Calling her a "sellout" is lazy and ignorant.
I thought it would more on Resurrection. But her pay aside still left a lot for production to work with. Actual production costs on those movies were about $40-50? I mean if anyone can take anything from Alien 3 it's the visual style the film has. And I guess the same can be set of Resurrection's main ship design. I'm not a big fan of that movie but the production design was really something.
Weaver isn't a sellout. I thin personally she came back to stop AvP from happening at the time. The Peter Briggs version that is.
The budget for Resurrection was around $75m.
I figure Noni Ryder would've got a decent payday too.
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2013, 01:40:09 AM
The budget for Resurrection was around $75m.
I figure Noni Ryder would've got a decent payday too.
Does that include actors salaries as well? Or is that just for the pre-prod./production/post-production?
The whole shebang minus promotion costs.
Quote from: SiL on May 16, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
Weaver doesn't feel she sold out, though. She liked the direction they were taking things, and as much as people bitch about Resurrection I can see how the change of personality would be an attractive proposition for someone who'd been playing the role for almost 20 years by that point.
Well that's different. Obviously her opinion of those films is different than mine, but that's how I feel.
And please don't bring lame argument like "AVPR was never serious."
It was serious(Or tried to) because it tried to integrate both franchises even more.
Like showing the last scene how the corps got their hands on Predator's weapon.
It made Alien infestation pathetic. I mean somehow civilians with barricades and guns hold better than national guards?
I can't believe how defensive people are toward this garbage. I mean it is objectively horrible.
It makes me lose faith in humanity further. Yeah I love Predator and all that, but that never made me tolerate this and AVP-evolution.
Weaver is an actress, that is her job. I doubt she takes her rolls in each franchise personally. She probably just shows up for work and gets paid well for what she does regardless of the character.
Personally, I think Ripley should stay dead after A3, but personal opinions aside she showed up for work to do A:R and did her job well.
Quote from: demonbane on May 17, 2013, 02:24:06 PM
It made Alien infestation pathetic.
Absolutely. Too bad they did not consider using just one Alien loose in a town.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on May 17, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
Weaver is an actress, that is her job. I doubt she takes her rolls in each franchise personally. She probably just shows up for work and gets paid well for what she does regardless of the character.
Personally, I think Ripley should stay dead after A3, but personal opinions aside she showed up for work to do A:R and did her job well.
Yeah, this is the case. I guess I'm just surprised because I've seen lesser actors walk away from movies they felt took the character in a direction the actor didn't agree with, e.g. Thomas Jane leaving Punisher: War Zone.
1- Punisher is someone else's characters ultimately.
2- Weaver liked the direction they were going in.
QuoteI mean it is objectively horrible.
It makes me lose faith in humanity further.
Real objective there. :laugh:
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
1- Punisher is someone else's characters ultimately.
How do you mean?
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
2- Weaver liked the direction they were going in.
What makes you say so? Up to Alien 3 I can understand, but Resurrection?
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on May 18, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
2- Weaver liked the direction they were going in.
What makes you say so? Up to Alien 3 I can understand, but Resurrection?
On one of the making of docs on bluray set she say's she liked the script.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on May 18, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
What makes you say so? Up to Alien 3 I can understand, but Resurrection?
The fact she's said she liked it. Repeatedly.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 18, 2013, 01:34:11 AM
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on May 18, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
2- Weaver liked the direction they were going in.
What makes you say so? Up to Alien 3 I can understand, but Resurrection?
On one of the making of docs on bluray set she say's she liked the script.
Shame on me then. I didn't make it that far.
And beyond all that - the very fact she was back in a film series she wanted out of.
Wanted out of...are you referring to her hesitation to want to do Aliens?
Her killing Ripley off in A3.
Are people unaware of of the dozen plus hours of docos for these flicks...?
Aware, yes. Willing to sit through after A:R, no. It was just easier to read about here.
Quote from: SM on May 20, 2013, 01:53:47 AM
Are people unaware of of the dozen plus hours of docos for these flicks...?
Ain't nobody got time for that!
I got a little time.
(Since I watched them all once... or twice; some far more than that)
I couldn't believe there's only 40 votes difference between the two.
Personally, I really like A:R, warts and all.
Alien Resurrection . . . by light-years.
Alien Resurrection for sure.
The good old times when the Alien universe was clean from predators in theathers ^^ hmm
Some indie comic books and books wasnt enough for you? Having a superior specie over the xeno from a horror movie is a really really brilliant idea...
I hate Resurrection for the influence it's had on tge Alien's design over the years but Resurrection is at the very least enjoyable.
Whilist AVP:R is personally the worst film in the entire Alien/Alien V Predator series.
Requiem is better imo.
A:R's existence is not recognised by my brain any more. Although I do like the xeno design in it, that's all.
Quote from: Zenstoren on May 20, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
Requiem is better imo.
A:R's existence is not recognised by my brain any more. Although I do like the xeno design in it, that's all.
How dare you.That is the second "worst" Xenomorph design.
Everything in AVPR apart from Wolf's design was dogshit.
Quote from: Zenstoren on May 20, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
Requiem is better imo.
A:R's existence is not recognised by my brain any more. Although I do like the xeno design in it, that's all.
And then there's
this guy.
Quote from: Zenstoren on May 20, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
Requiem is better imo.
A:R's existence is not recognised by my brain any more. Although I do like the xeno design in it, that's all.
You and I are on the same wavelength. Except for the bit about liking the xeno design.
Aren't the AvPR Xenos just the same suits from A:R with new heads?
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 21, 2014, 04:22:12 AM
Aren't the AvPR Xenos just the same suits from A:R with new heads?
And different color schemes.
The only thing I liked about AvPR was the very short National Guard getting lunched sequence which took me back to the second Aliens movie.
They should've just put the NG in it for the whole thing and ripped off Aliens because that was the best part anyways.
Made me pine for a good movie with Aliens and soldiers.
Especially that bit where the soldier walks up to the car to look in the window and doesn't notice the Alien standing less than a foot away.
Aliens are sneaky bastids.
I liked the LT who was inside his apc and decided to go have a look see outside. Of course this is a very LT thing to do.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on May 21, 2014, 04:22:12 AM
Aren't the AvPR Xenos just the same suits from A:R with new heads?
Speaking of which, look who's back! I haven't seen you post in quite a while. How've you been??
I'm good, thanks Doom. And you're at 40,000 too! (Like SM) Have I been gone that long or are you two just crazy posting machines?
Hm, a little bit of both, no doubt. SM and I are secretly racing to see who can reveal those hidden ranks first ;D
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on May 20, 2014, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: Zenstoren on May 20, 2014, 02:28:31 PM
Requiem is better imo.
A:R's existence is not recognised by my brain any more. Although I do like the xeno design in it, that's all.
How dare you.
That is the second "worst" Xenomorph design.
Everything in AVPR apart from Wolf's design was dogshit.
In A:R they show some awesome traits such as murdering another of their kind to escape, and swimming rather proficiently.
Also, I just like how they look.
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Moves away from the clumsy man in a suit look to more believable. AVPR's Xenos were terrible. They were clumsy and were mere cannon fodder to Wolf.
Still doesn't detract that A:R is my least favourite film, and AVPR is not far off.
I wish the Rez Aliens hadn't been so slimy. I prefer the semi-dried ones seen in Aliens or Alien, lol.
They weren't. Although the Res ones are slimier.
Hence why I said semi-dried. At least compared to the Rez Aliens.
I wish we can revote. A:R is bad, but I have a nostalgic spot for it since I saw it in theaters. I was blinded by my teenage fanboy hype back in 2007.
AvP:R will always have my vote over Rez. Both are abominations, but I can stomach AvP:R only slightly more than Rez.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 02, 2014, 11:23:29 AM
AvP:R will always have my vote over Rez. Both are abominations, but I can stomach AvP:R only slightly more than Rez.
Out of curiousity, what is your basis for that? I mean, what is it in AVP:R that is lesser of two evils in your view?
At least in AvP:R they were trying - many think they they failed - but they were trying to make a genuinely horrific AvP movie with all the alien tropes (female lead, Wey-Yu, corrupt assholes... that sort of thing).
A:R, on the other hand was a black comedy and totally not in keeping with the tone of the other movies. But it LOOKED so damn beautiful - that's such a tragedy. It's an amazing looking shit film. It really was like they spat in my face - I watched it recently to try to be objective - and was still insulting (in a way that neither AvP or AvP:R to me).
Quote from: Russ on Jun 24, 2014, 10:10:14 AM
At least in AvP:R they were trying - many think they they failed - but they were trying to make a genuinely horrific AvP movie with all the alien tropes (female lead, Wey-Yu, corrupt assholes... that sort of thing).
A:R, on the other hand was a black comedy and totally not in keeping with the tone of the other movies. But it LOOKED so damn beautiful - that's such a tragedy. It's an amazing looking shit film. It really was like they spat in my face - I watched it recently to try to be objective - and was still insulting (in a way that neither AvP or AvP:R to me).
Pretty much this, OpenMaw. The Newborn didn't help either.
I suppose I could go along with garnering more entertainment value out of AVP:R via my ability to hysterically laugh at it's dumbness, Which I can't really do from A:R as it's just so damn weird tonally.
At least Alien Resurrection has some cool scenes. Basketball, clones, chapel, water, etc. AvP:R has nothing. I only saw it once, in theaters.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 24, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
I suppose I could go along with garnering more entertainment value out of AVP:R via my ability to hysterically laugh at it's dumbness, Which I can't really do from A:R as it's just so damn weird tonally.
Yup. Rez takes itself too seriously.
Rez doesn't take itself that seriously at all. It punctuates any "serious" moment with a terrible one-liner. It would've been better if it took itself seriously.
AvPR takes itself seriously, but is too stupid to get away with it.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 25, 2014, 11:53:59 AM
Rez doesn't take itself that seriously at all. It punctuates any "serious" moment with a terrible one-liner. It would've been better if it took itself seriously.
AvPR takes itself seriously, but is too stupid to get away with it.
Pretty much exactly this
AvP:R was a much bigger departure in tone that A:R was. It turned the franchise into a bad 1980's-esque slasher flick.
Hi I think AvP was pretty cool for what it was. I was so excited for avpR but, I thought it like tried too hard. It was a strange movie, it felt like an older and worse film than what it was. Aliens vs. Predator was more of a classic movie lol.
I vote for A:R even tough it Predators weren't in that film...at least it wasn't so dark . :D
How is this an important topic?
What?
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jul 05, 2014, 08:38:58 AM
How is this an important topic?
This topic is important because many people posted on it . Isn't that right ?
Quote from: Randomizer on Jul 05, 2014, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: bloodinthemud on Jul 05, 2014, 08:38:58 AM
How is this an important topic?
This topic is important because many people posted on it . Isn't that right ?
oh is that how it works? I simply figured that "important topics" was just another name for sticky threads.
It is another name for sticky threads too but it's still an important topic because of what I said .
A picture on facebook can get a million likes doesn't make it important.
It's stickied because the Mods reckon it should be stickied. Number of posts doesn't automatically make it sticky-worthy.
Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2014, 10:54:55 PM
It's stickied because the Mods reckon it should be stickied. Number of posts doesn't automatically make it sticky-worthy.
Which brings us back to my original question!
6 years ago it was deemed important.
It'll never be settled until another shitty alien v. predator movie is made.
49% to 34% seems fairly settled.
Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2014, 04:27:05 AM
49% to 34% seems fairly settled.
Wait, why did the percentages go down. :laugh:
I pick Requiem, I really enjoyed that movie, but I'm also one of those fans who like ALL the movies in the Alien and Predator universe.
Quote from: locdasmoke on Aug 05, 2014, 03:12:10 AM
I pick Requiem, I really enjoyed that movie, but I'm also one of those fans who like ALL the movies in the Alien and Predator universe.
Good for you, man. I think that's the point at the end of the day! All these debates are brilliant, but ultimately even if you know the objective argument of what makes a film good or bad - it doesn't matter if you like what you see, so no matter how often I hear hat AvP is a bag of shit, I'll defend on here, but ultimately... what I read on here won't make me wake up and say "I hate that film, I'll never see it again."
I really don't like A:R as part of the franchise at all. It's just all the wrong tone. Even if AvP and AvP:R are much maligned, they were at least trying to keep to the tone of the other movies (action / horror) where as I feel that A:R is really trying to be too clever for its own good. It is what it is, though - a French sci-fi comedy horror.
Quote from: Russ on Aug 05, 2014, 08:23:29 AM
Quote from: locdasmoke on Aug 05, 2014, 03:12:10 AM
I pick Requiem, I really enjoyed that movie, but I'm also one of those fans who like ALL the movies in the Alien and Predator universe.
Good for you, man. I think that's the point at the end of the day! All these debates are brilliant, but ultimately even if you know the objective argument of what makes a film good or bad - it doesn't matter if you like what you see, so no matter how often I hear hat AvP is a bag of shit, I'll defend on here, but ultimately... what I read on here won't make me wake up and say "I hate that film, I'll never see it again."
I really don't like A:R as part of the franchise at all. It's just all the wrong tone. Even if AvP and AvP:R are much maligned, they were at least trying to keep to the tone of the other movies (action / horror) where as I feel that A:R is really trying to be too clever for its own good. It is what it is, though - a French sci-fi comedy horror.
I totally agree!
I personally emjoy A:R, but in all honesty, I feel that A:R was unnecessary after Alien 3. I think the 4th installment should have brought in a new character instead of cloning Ripley. Alien 3 was really (in my opinion) a great ending to a trilogy... AVPR may not have had the best dialogue and the teen drama is something I really could have done without, it is still the movie I prefer because it's just total mayhem throughout the movie, there's no mercy, it's just a blood bath and Wolf is probably my favorite Predator of all time. I also liked how they brought back the Aliens look on the Xenos and I think they were a lot more menacing this time around too..
They're both skidmarks on the proverbial Alien-Predator speedos.
Quote from: Wrecktangle on Aug 18, 2014, 08:25:46 AM
They're both skidmarks on the proverbial Alien-Predator speedos.
Ha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Yeah, they sucked hard. They were only enjoyable as some sort of spoof rip-off style film that sort of tried to do the original properties justice, but failed in almost every way. :laugh:
AVP:R was the better movie in my opinion. It was still poor, but A:R is a movie no one can take seriously.
I can't take either film seriously, but A:R less so.
Quote from: Liberator on Aug 24, 2014, 05:18:20 AM
AVP:R was the better movie in my opinion. It was still poor, but A:R is a movie no one can take seriously.
I can't take AVPR seriously either. Difference is, at least A:R was trying to be weird and sometimes funny. AVPR is hard to take seriously due to it's near-unwatchabilty. (And I mean that in both ways. That it is shitty, and it is also very hard to see anything. :) )
I like a lot of little touches in AvP:R, like the skull under the predalien head hull, like in Giger's original drawings, the fact that predalien was merciless, and that the movie didn't take itself too seriously. It didn't try to rehash the formula set by the original movies, as was done in AvP, Predators and Promethecrap. A crew of misfits gets eliminated one by one... (Full disclosure, I was a total cheerleader for Prometheus until the shit reality and plot holes sunk in.)
I just noticed last night that AvP actually had bishop playing the "handstab". Wow, what fan service...
AR was ok, made me want something more. I didn't miss Newt or the marine, but couldn't get over the unexplainable egg on the escape pod.
So anyway, I like the Requiem as a movie and more than rehashes of other ideas.
AvP:R was nothing but rehash. Overall quality aside, A:R was universes more original.
Ripley Kelly, Newt Molly, and Hicks Dallas (yes, really) ride around in a APC. There's a power cut. There's a brief respite while they gather their weapons. A bunch of soldiers get pwned while barely firing a shot. They fly away in a dropship helicopter barely escaping a self destruct an atmosphere processor exploding space ship crash nuclear bomb explosion. Bishop Hicks Ricky is hurt during the climax. He's not ripped in half, but his girlfriend of no fixed personality is, and he does get impaled.
All set resplendently against a soundtrack of Alien and Predators greatest samples hits. And speaking of which, the same Alien sound effect is lifted straight from Aliens and used again and again and again...
Meanwhile Resurrection rehashed... um... a secret robot, and escaping a big explosion only to be attacked by a false ending.
It probably didn't rehash enough to be honest.
I think we can all agree both films were lousy.
Resurrection rocks, Doom, you know it.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Nov 18, 2014, 01:36:28 PM
Resurrection rocks, Doom, you know it.
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 18, 2014, 12:19:09 PM
I think we can all agree both films were lousy.
Pffft... Resurrection shits all over AvPR in every respect. Mind you an overwhelming majority of films in general shit all over AvPR, so it's no great achievement.
And judging from how dark the thing is, someone did shit all over it.
Meh, I'd happily choose AvP:R over Res any day of the week
Yeah, as toilet paper AvPR's far better.
I can't believe I once thought either AvP film better than A:R. I still dislike the latter film but it at least holds some level of artistic merit and depth.
Jeunet's touch alone makes it at least interesting.
He just wasn't suitable for the franchise. Neither was Whedon.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Nov 18, 2014, 09:51:37 PM
Yeah, as toilet paper AvPR's far better.
*inhales*
Pssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 19, 2014, 09:46:46 AM
He just wasn't suitable for the franchise. Neither was Whedon.
Agreed. But there were memorable and well-done shots and moments from the film that weren't just ripoffs and rehashes of what came before.
Can't disagree with you at all. AvPR was a "best-of" but badly done video compilation that belonged on YouTube.
A;R i like that one more it had more action in it.
AvPR: It has.... It has.... the PredAlien? No because even the quality of the PredXeno can be debated.
AR: It has a great cast, good art style, decent cinematography, and some themes I think Giger would be somewhat proud of.
AR no doubt. Now AvP vs AR. That might be a closer battle. Or AR vs PREDATORS.
So AVPR is on the syfy channel today. I used my aunts vizio smart TV to raise the brightness to max. It...actually worked a little. Could actually see stuff clearly.
I dont think you can blame the studios in this,
if you would read AVP:R as a script it would be good to read.
The execution of the movie is just bad and misses every lack of realness and grittyness the Predator and Alien series had.
I still think the future of both these franchises are in the AVP world.
As others have said,
Resurrection may have been a bad
Alien movie, but it was at least interesting, competently made, contained some nice imagery, and even has a few moments of genuine greatness. Plus Siggy is just superb in it.
AVP:R is a train wreck. It's not just the worst film featuring the Alien, it's one of the worst films I've ever seen, period. To produce a piece of crap like that for such a big-name franchise just beggars belief.
Oh yeah, you could also see what was happening in
Resurrection.
Quote from: Infected on Oct 26, 2015, 12:47:07 PMif you would read AVP:R as a script it would be good to read.
I seriously doubt that. The dialogue and characterisation is just appallingly bad.
The earlier version of the AvPR script that is available is just...it's worse than the finished film. *shudders*
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2015, 09:00:39 AM
The earlier version of the AvPR script that is available is just...it's worse than the finished film. *shudders*
What were the differences of said script and final version?
Same basic story but lots of differences inside it. It's in our downloads section. Give it a read if you're curious.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
Same basic story but lots of differences inside it. It's in our downloads section. Give it a read if you're curious.
I will hold my breath close my eyes open then read slowly. ;)
At least the Aliens fight back in the script.
And win, but small victory.
How? Surely they don't kill Wolf right away.
Quote"[AVP:R] showed what a good job we'd done with the first movie. It's like, OK, you can pick apart my AVP, but take a look at that one and then maybe watch my movie again and you'll have a new appreciation for it."
~ Paul W.S. Anderson, Grantland, 2014.
:laugh:
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 05, 2015, 12:39:28 AM
How? Surely they don't kill Wolf right away.
If I remember rightly they gang swarm him and take him down.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 02:44:02 AM
Quote"[AVP:R] showed what a good job we'd done with the first movie. It's like, OK, you can pick apart my AVP, but take a look at that one and then maybe watch my movie again and you'll have a new appreciation for it."
~ Paul W.S. Anderson, Grantland, 2014.
:laugh:
That's right. It just takes a shittier movie after to come out and vindicate your own earlier one. :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2015, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 05, 2015, 12:39:28 AM
How? Surely they don't kill Wolf right away.
If I remember rightly they gang swarm him and take him down.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 05, 2015, 02:44:02 AM
Quote"[AVP:R] showed what a good job we'd done with the first movie. It's like, OK, you can pick apart my AVP, but take a look at that one and then maybe watch my movie again and you'll have a new appreciation for it."
~ Paul W.S. Anderson, Grantland, 2014.
:laugh:
That's right. It just takes a shittier movie after to come out and vindicate your own earlier one. :P
Die hard 4 and 5.
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How? Surely they don't kill Wolf right away.
End of the film they take him down.
Huh. That might've been cool to see.
A:R by far. AVPR is the worst of the series IMO.
Both poor, but different gradations of poor. At least you get a couple of genuinely great scenes in A:R. At least it had top talent involved, legitimizing the whole affair.
A:R. I don't even consider it part of the main series. It's a spin-off that was supposed to launch it's own franchise but it never happened. The main series is Alien 1-3 which is about Ripley (well really 2 & 3 are Ripley's story, the original is not only about Ripley). Ripley 8 is a new character.
I don't even have to think about that: Alien: Resurrection by a mile.
Requiem is one of the worst movies I've seen.
Requiem was on TV yesterday... After the sewer battle I turned it off. It's really an unwatchable mess, and that is...dare I say it... not even an opinion.
At least in A:R you could see...well...A FCKIN MOVIE BEEING PLAYED.
AVP:R is utter sht, even as a simple slasher flick.
The best thing about 'AvP-R' is the NECA Predalien action figure - and by current NECA standards it's a long way from being their best piece of work. Horrible, horrible movie.
At least 'AvP' works as a juvenile Boys Own Adventure movie, undemanding, simplistic and fun in a dumbed down kind of way.
-Windebieste.
Yeah, AVP:R is so bad, I find it genuinely hard to understand when people say they enjoy it.
I get that movies are hugely subjective, and everyone likes different things, but in this case the film is just so awful I honestly can't understand how anyone could enjoy it as a piece of entertainment.
That is a tough one. Bottom of the barrel choices if you ask me. Um, A:R is by far the superior film. Visually it's a masterpiece compared to AVP:R. The plot while paperthin actually makes sense in A:R as well. I think the characters in A:R are more thought out. But I've got to admit AVP:R is a guilty pleasure for me. I just watch the Alien and Predator fights and fast forward through the bullshit saved by the bell high school drama. AVP:R for me.
I hated the humor in ARes, but all the way up to the Ripley 1-7 scene I think it is actually pretty solid film.
AvPR was bad. I've had the movie for years and have only been able to force myself to watch it through twice.
I can't stand resurrection, at least with AvPR I can get through the movie (though it is still hard without hating yourself afterwards)
A:R
Resurrection.
I did not like the overall direction it took.It had a lot of silly and wacky moments, which felt like they don't belong in an Alien movie.
But all in all it was well crafted and competently directed, it had some characters i liked, the acting was good for the most part, it had some nice memorable scenes and an disctinct look.
AVP Requiem had none of these things.
Option #4: I love them both!
Added, just for you.
Oh man, Alien: Resurrection any day of the week.
Scary that AvPR got so many votes :o
AvPR over Ressurection! Without hesitation!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 03, 2019, 04:27:27 AMScary that AvPR got so many votes :o
I know, right?
Resurrection may not be a very good entry in the
Alien series, but it's a least a competent, well-made and even entertaining movie in its own right.
Requiem's not even good if you try and ignore the franchise it is a part of.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2019, 08:51:57 AM
Resurrection may not be a very good entry in the Alien series, but it's a least a competent, well-made and even entertaining movie in its own right.
I must have seen a different Alien Resurrection.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2019, 08:51:57 AM
Resurrection may not be a very good entry in the Alien series, but it's a least a competent, well-made and even entertaining movie in its own right.
I must have seen a different Alien Resurrection.
You have to be in a certain mood to watch A:R and not feel bad about yourself. You have to feel detached and not feel like taking things seriously.
Resurrection isn't a great movie, but it is conceptually interesting, well-made (Junet puts interesting ideas on screen and Sigourney kills it in her new role, despite the shoddy Joss Whedon script that they are bound to), and it takes the franchise in new directions that are thematically relevant even if the tone isn't quite right. Resurrection can be looked at as part of the Alien Anthology or as part of Junet's filmography and there are some interesting gems in the film to find while viewing through either lens, despite the the film's problems.
AVPR is Suicide Squad level drek. It doesn't even feel like a movie; just a bunch of lousy, half-assed concepts slapped together by guys who had no idea what they were doing and shipped off to the theater. The only "good" thing that I can say about AVPR is that, from what little I remember, the Strause Brothers' second film somehow managed to be even worse.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2019, 08:51:57 AM
Resurrection may not be a very good entry in the Alien series, but it's a least a competent, well-made and even entertaining movie in its own right.
I must have seen a different Alien Resurrection.
You have to be in a certain mood to watch A:R and not feel bad about yourself. You have to feel detached and not feel like taking things seriously.
Even if I watch it as a parody, which it is imo, it's brutal to watch, and I wonder why Sigourney agreed to this. I know they offered her a big paycheck, could that have been her motivation? At least the parody on the otherside "The Predator" is taking the subject matter less seriously with levity and trying to make the audience laugh constantly - which is successful sometimes.
Nah, the Newborn and I agree, we'll take the blu-ray directors edition of AVPR over both of them any day. (The I-can't-see-sh*t dvd or digital stream of AVPR, no way. But the blu director's cut, absolutely.)
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 03, 2019, 03:14:04 PM
I know they offered her a big paycheck, could that have been her motivation?
Yes.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2019, 08:51:57 AM
Resurrection may not be a very good entry in the Alien series, but it's a least a competent, well-made and even entertaining movie in its own right.
I must have seen a different Alien Resurrection.
You have to be in a certain mood to watch A:R and not feel bad about yourself. You have to feel detached and not feel like taking things seriously.
Even if I watch it as a parody, which it is imo, it's brutal to watch, and I wonder why Sigourney agreed to this. I know they offered her a big paycheck, could that have been her motivation? At least the parody on the otherside "The Predator" is taking the subject matter less seriously with levity and trying to make the audience laugh constantly - which is successful sometimes.
Nah, the Newborn and I agree, we'll take the blu-ray directors edition of AVPR over both of them any day. (The I-can't-see-sh*t dvd or digital stream of AVPR, no way. But the blu director's cut, absolutely.)
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They're both nasty. I'm a little numb to the Newborn death, but only without sound. The stuff in AvP:R is unbearable. I'd rather watch Bill Paxton getting his spine ripped out in P2 for an hour while tied to a chair and my eyes forced open.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2019, 08:51:57 AM
Resurrection may not be a very good entry in the Alien series, but it's a least a competent, well-made and even entertaining movie in its own right.
I must have seen a different Alien Resurrection.
You have to be in a certain mood to watch A:R and not feel bad about yourself. You have to feel detached and not feel like taking things seriously.
Even if I watch it as a parody, which it is imo, it's brutal to watch, and I wonder why Sigourney agreed to this. I know they offered her a big paycheck, could that have been her motivation? At least the parody on the otherside "The Predator" is taking the subject matter less seriously with levity and trying to make the audience laugh constantly - which is successful sometimes.
Nah, the Newborn and I agree, we'll take the blu-ray directors edition of AVPR over both of them any day. (The I-can't-see-sh*t dvd or digital stream of AVPR, no way. But the blu director's cut, absolutely.)
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They're both nasty. I'm a little numb to the Newborn death, but only without sound. The stuff in AvP:R is unbearable. I'd rather watch Bill Paxton getting his spine ripped out in P2 for an hour while tied to a chair and my eyes forced open.
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I don't think A:R is a good Alien film, but I do think its an alright scifi film on its own. Its also competently made. AvPR could almost be confused as an asylum film.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 03, 2019, 08:51:57 AM
Resurrection may not be a very good entry in the Alien series, but it's a least a competent, well-made and even entertaining movie in its own right.
I must have seen a different Alien Resurrection.
You have to be in a certain mood to watch A:R and not feel bad about yourself. You have to feel detached and not feel like taking things seriously.
Even if I watch it as a parody, which it is imo, it's brutal to watch, and I wonder why Sigourney agreed to this. I know they offered her a big paycheck, could that have been her motivation? At least the parody on the otherside "The Predator" is taking the subject matter less seriously with levity and trying to make the audience laugh constantly - which is successful sometimes.
Nah, the Newborn and I agree, we'll take the blu-ray directors edition of AVPR over both of them any day. (The I-can't-see-sh*t dvd or digital stream of AVPR, no way. But the blu director's cut, absolutely.)
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They're both nasty. I'm a little numb to the Newborn death, but only without sound. The stuff in AvP:R is unbearable. I'd rather watch Bill Paxton getting his spine ripped out in P2 for an hour while tied to a chair and my eyes forced open.
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Fight. Recess thread. Now.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 03, 2019, 02:53:27 PMI must have seen a different Alien Resurrection.
No, I stand by that assessment.
Is it a crap sequel to
Alien/
Aliens? Absolutely.
Is it a well-made, admittedly kooky sci-fi black comedy that's perfectly entertaining on those terms? Yes.
426Buddy gets it.
I agree, I think it works as a parody but even if you take it seriously, it is better film than AVP-R and The Predator, though I have only watched the latter twice, I still think the forth entry in the Alien series is far more coherent and better editted than the forth entry of the Predator series.
Quoteand I wonder why Sigourney agreed to this. I know they offered her a big paycheck, could that have been her motivation?
Because it was a new take on a familiar character.
Quote from: SM on Feb 03, 2019, 09:21:10 PM
Quoteand I wonder why Sigourney agreed to this. I know they offered her a big paycheck, could that have been her motivation?
Because it was a new take on a familiar character.
My question you quoted was more rhetorical.
Let's be frank though, if Weaver did do it for the gargantuan $11 Million payday, she likely wouldn't be hitting the press junket saying 'I came back for the money" after she said prior that three Alien films were enough. She likely would have said exactly what you are paraphrasing. Plus, I remember reading back in the day that Alien Resurrection allowed her to do the small films she really wanted to do.
The simple answer (aside from the payday) was that she liked what Whedon did with the character.
It certainly doesn't feel like a performance turned in purely for a paycheck. Weaver is fantastic in the fourth film.
Indeed.
I still love the concept of the Ripley 8 character. I wish they'd have played more into the Alien connection like Crispin did the novelization but I sure am intrigued by her.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 09:19:51 AM
I still love the concept of the Ripley 8 character. I wish they'd have played more into the Alien connection like Crispin did the novelization but I sure am intrigued by her.
Same here. Friedman did well with the concept in Aliens Original Sin as well.
Unfortunately the Ripley in that had largely regressed back to the one we meet at the start of Resurrection rather than the one at the end.
How so?
She acted a lot more like the "I don't give a shit" Ripley from early in Resurrection, rather than the one who'd chosen to join the human race by the end.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2019, 08:25:47 AM
It certainly doesn't feel like a performance turned in purely for a paycheck. Weaver is fantastic in the fourth film.
Of course not brother. When you accept a projecr after you have sworn to leave the franchise because it can secure you financially for, say, the rest of your life, logic doesn't dictate you phone it in. This is Sigourney Weaver. Acting is her craft and she has a level of class. And once she commits she'll give her 100%. An embrassing performance is just going to embarass her.
Or she actually wanted to give a good performance because she liked the role.
Crazy concept.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2019, 11:19:00 AMWhen you accept a projecr after you have sworn to leave the franchise because it can secure you financially for, say, the rest of your life, logic doesn't dictate you phone it in.
You must not have seen
A Good Day to Die Hard.
Or Weaver returned to playing a role, to a character that she said pubically said she wanted no more part in playing, a character that has to now be cloned back to life to play, so she could recieve the highest pay an actress have ever received at the time, $11 Million, equal to the entire budget of the first Alien.
I know, crazy concept.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 04, 2019, 11:25:58 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2019, 11:19:00 AMWhen you accept a projecr after you have sworn to leave the franchise because it can secure you financially for, say, the rest of your life, logic doesn't dictate you phone it in.
You must not have seen A Good Day to Die Hard.
Come on. Bruce is a differet animal. Have you seen the way he talks to interviewers? We can agree Sigourney has a lot more class than Bruce.
Why are you so desperate for Weaver to have secretly hated the role ???
She's a complete mercenary - but she's a sincere mercenary...
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 11:38:25 AM
Why are you so desperate for Weaver to have secretly hated the role ???
Why are you defensive? I'm not desperate. I love Sigourney and when she commits she commits 100%. She is a wonderful actress. But that doesn't stop me from applying logic to what we know.
"logic"...
:laugh:
Nobody's getting defensive, it just feels a lot more like projection than logic. :D
She should've just done it for the love. Who does she think she is? Wanting to get paid to doing work??!
Yeah, Weaver is just amazing as her role as Ripley 8. Even if a large paycheck played a part in her returning (of course it did), I'm not sure what the issue is here?
There just seems to be some very conceited people on this forum. :-X
How does that relate to the discussion?
I suppose it doesn't but oh man do I love Alien Resurrection and Weaver's performance.
What's the problem then?
Is it that her main motivation was purely money? And she would still do it regardless of liking the story or not?
There isn't. I just hate to see certain members treating other members in a very patronizing manner when it's really not needed.
But sorry, I didn't mean to derail the discussion.
Sigourney Weaver seemed quite passionate about the character of Ripley 8 and actually pushed to have the character be more 'Alien'.
I'll call it out. SiL can be very patronizing ro me sometimes. Just look at his "Crazy concept" comment above. But I just learned to dish it right back to him. ;D
There's nothing wrong with a bit of banter. But the door swings both ways. If you're an ass, people are going to treat you as such.
If you have an issue with things being said, feel free to report it. The function is there for a reason. If we think that we need to interject, we will. If you have any issue with what the staff say, then PM the staff to discuss it.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 11:46:23 AM
Nobody's getting defensive, it just feels a lot more like projection than logic. :D
Got to disagree with you there, considering Sigourney Weaver was on record saying she was done with the Alien franchise, and two, she has been on record saying the money she received from Resurrection allowed her to do the smaller films she really wanted to do.
I'm just using normal reasoning.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 12:50:11 PM
There's nothing wrong with a bit of banter. But the door swings both ways. If you're an ass, people are going to treat you as such.
I hope you're not suggesting I'm being an ass here Hicks in the above situation.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2019, 12:51:14 PM
I'm just using normal reasoning.
You're ignoring lots of factors and trying to boil it down to "she said one thing one year and another thing another year", though. She was presented a very different take on a familiar character, which can be a very attractive proposition for a lot of actors and can renew their interest in having another shot at it. There's also the fact that people are fully capable of just changing their mind.
It's not illogical or poor reasoning to say she might have actually just been interested in the role she was presented with.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2019, 12:51:14 PM
I'm just using normal reasoning.
You're ignoring lots of factors and trying to boil it down to "she said one thing one year and another thing another year", though. She was presented a very different take on a familiar character, which can be a very attractive proposition for a lot of actors and can renew their interest in having another shot at it. There's also the fact that people are fully capable of just changing their mind.
It's not illogical or poor reasoning to say she might have actually just been interested in the role she was presented with.
I don't believe I'm ignoring anything. I'm just not taking what is known out of the equation, and immediately dismissing it simply because I want to believe in Sigourney loving the script and that was the main reason why she came back to a franchise she said she was done with.
No problem. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
But you're ignoring the other factors simply because you want to believe Sigourney didn't like the script :D
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 01:22:47 PM
But you're ignoring the other factors simply because you want to believe Sigourney didn't like the script :D
Read my comment again. When I say "main reason" it's an indication there were more than one reason to return, with any pros and cons list someone may use to make a big decision. Main doesn't suggest it's a sole reason, just that it is the most influential.
I went back and re-read your posts and you didn't "main reason" though (at least not in the last three pages). You said it was her motivation to come back at all and she decided not to half-ass it once she was there.
Weaver herself said the scene where she meets her clones was a big reason why she decided to take the role.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 04, 2019, 12:46:37 PM
I'll call it out. SiL can be very patronizing ro me sometimes. Just look at his "Crazy concept" comment above.
That was sarcasm by the way, not patronising.
EDIT
Oh for God's sake you said it in the post right above. My bad :D
What is even the point of this argument?
Sarcasm can definitely be used when patronizing.
Patronising is appearing helpful while actually being condescending, which was quite clearly not the case.
What's even the point of this argument? ???
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 01:59:14 PM
Weaver herself said the scene where she meets her clones was a big reason why she decided to take the role.
SiL, lets be honest. She was never going to come out and say I did this primarily to be more financially secure if that was a factor. All I know is Weaver said she was done with Alien and she said the money allowed her to make smaller films she really wanted to do.
So here's her record 11 Million offer on one side, the cloning scene and the rest of the Resurrection script on the other. Was it 50/50? 75/25? 30/70? Come to your own conclusion based with what you know. I'll come to mine. And we'll just agree to disagree. Cheers.
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Feb 04, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
Sarcasm can definitely be used when patronizing.
Indeed. It can go hand in hand.
Let's move on. Actors act for money as well as love of the craft. It's a pointless argument that will get nowhere.
And enough complaining about each other. Like I said, there's a report post function for a reason. Don't abuse it out of spite, though.
Alien Resurrection:
-Good, odd -in a good way- direction that gives the movie a lot of personality and energy despite the disconnection between director/scriptwriter and the script not being very good. Movie looks great.
-Great casting delivering good performances.
-Very entertainning with a black comedy tone with nice gore and some good moments.
-Good production design.
-Great special effects, both practical and computer generated.
-Great music.
AVPR:
-None of the above.
Rewatched Alien: Resurrection yesterday. Man, every scene with Sigourney and Winona is just awesome. Love their dynamic.
AR puts me in the mood to watch some egg-barfing instead.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 05, 2019, 08:04:04 PM
AR puts me in the mood to watch some egg-barfing instead.
:D
AR.
I like em both.
Absolute madlad.
AVPR is pure slasher movie cheesefest that would've been better COULD YOU SEE WHAT THE f**k WAS GOING ON.
Res is a better movie based on characterization alone. I can sit and think about Res even after not watching it for years and several scenes immediately pop in my head. This retention is indicative of something worthwhile in the movie.
I don't care for either of them. Res mainly because it just doesn't feel like an Alien movie.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Jul 14, 2019, 06:03:14 PM
Res mainly because it just doesn't feel like an Alien movie.
It's the trilogy after-party
More like the after-party hangover.
Hangovers don't look that slick.
To me, Resurrection is bizzare, doubtly needed but still pretty artistic movie. AVPR is just ... bad.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 15, 2019, 07:33:29 PM
To me, Resurrection is bizzare, doubtly needed but still pretty artistic movie. AVPR is just ... bad.
I would have preferred if it didn't take itself so seriously. It would have played better. To me, it's that very pretentiousness that makes it worse.
Really? I always felt AR was more humorous and less serious than any Alien film before it.
I could see a case being made for Prometheus taking itself too seriously and being pretentious but not AR.
In comparison to other Alien films sure, but that film still takes itself waaay too seriously in my book. AvPR, doesn't take itself seriously at all. It's just a straight popcorn film, which AR needed to be. But AR went for more resulting in so much cringe it's hard for this fan to watch.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jul 15, 2019, 10:40:39 PM
Really? I always felt AR was more humorous and less serious than any Alien film before it.
I could see a case being made for Prometheus taking itself too seriously and being pretentious but not AR.
Indeed. Resurrection has often been criticised because of the humour.
Yeah, that's a very unexpected criticism of the film and one I can't see many people agreeing with. Personally, I think the Resurrection story gains a lot from losing most of its humor, generally visually or through acting. It's the reason I really like the novelization.
Resurrection is nearly a comedy.
If you desire a more serious and atmospheric version,
I encourage you to experience the video game or novelisation.
Video game is great indeed.
Apart from the controls, yeah it is.
It's as if it's a bizarre precursor to Isolation also,
the HUD, the resource management, the wall-mounted save stations, the invincible Alien chasing you near the ending levels and friendly & enemy A.I survivors.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 16, 2019, 07:41:49 AM
Yeah, that's a very unexpected criticism of the film and one I can't see many people agreeing with. Personally, I think the Resurrection story gains a lot from losing most of its humor, generally visually or through acting. It's the reason I really like the novelization.
I think my point is being missed. Criticsm of AR taking itself too seriously isn't measured by comedic lines. AR actually has more humor than AvPR
yet AR still takes itself more seriously than AvPR in tone and weight.
I would argue among the general public, the majority shares my criticsm regarding AR and is why it is lampooned by the majority. Take the most ridiculed scenes for instance, which is not the humor but the scenes featuring the Newborn and all its implications around it. I don't think a consensus would be reached indicating those cringey scenes would play wonderfully if the director had removed the humor that was peppered throughout the script before it. That's where I'm coming from. :)
The film doesn't seem to take anything it does terribly seriously. There's always some Whedon quip or jab to highlight the ludicrousness of any given situation, amplified by Jeunet's off-kilter style.
I don't think you'd get a consensus that the problem with the Newborn scene is taking itself too seriously.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 16, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
The film doesn't seem to take anything it does terribly seriously. [There's always some Whedon quip or jab to highlight the ludicrousness of any given situation, amplified by Jeunet's off-kilter style.
I don't think you'd get a consensus that the problem with the Newborn scene is taking itself too seriously.
No, lol, not using those words, no.
I think the Newborn consensus would be "it's stupid." You follow up asking if the Newborn is stupid because of the humor earlier and they would reply "No, it's just stupid." You follow that up asking if the childlike looks and tenderness between Ripley and the Newborn was a big part of the "stupid" and we'd hear "Oh yeah! For sure!"
So if you have to keep the eyeroll enducing Newborn in the movie, you make it work by cutting all the serious weighty mother & child cringe out of it. Make the Newborn a deadly, smart hybrid threat monstrosity that will rip everyone to shreads. That's it. No loving painful meaningful gazes. None of that. For this ridiculous premise to work, you make it less weighty, less seriously and it will play better in my opinion.
I think they should have also capitalized more on Alien Sensing Super Soldier Ripley's abilities too. If you're going there, really go there, but I digress. :)
I really think most of it's self-aware melodrama rather than taking itself at all seriously.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2019, 08:29:48 PM
I really think most of it's self-aware melodrama rather than taking itself at all seriously.
I'm not certain I follow. Isn't being melodramatic someone who treats a situation much more serious than it really is? So you think the actors are taking it way too serious in AR while the director is winking at the audience saying isn't this funny how serious they are? I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I'm just trying to understand your point of view.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 16, 2019, 08:47:46 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2019, 08:29:48 PM
I really think most of it's self-aware melodrama rather than taking itself at all seriously.
I'm not certain I follow. Isn't being melodramatic someone who treats a situation much more serious than it really is? So you think the actors are taking it way too serious in AR while the director is winking at the audience saying isn't this funny how serious they are? I'm not trying to give you a hard time, I'm just trying to understand your point of view.
I think the "twelve" scene is a good example. They keep repeating the same word, around the group, seemingly deadly serious... to the point of overt self-parody. Everyone knew how ridiculous it was, and played it straight (ish, with extra ham) anyway.
So in a way you see it as Spaceballs. Hmm, maybe that's too much. Ice Pirates perhaps!
Yeah, to me it all feels unintended. I wish I could feel that way. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 16, 2019, 09:16:24 PM
So in a way you see it as Spaceballs. Hmm, maybe that's too much. Ice Pirates perhaps!
Yeah, to me it all feels unintended. I wish I could feel that way. :)
I'm not sure Whedon was in on the joke despite writing most of them, but the finished result comes off as affectionate parody more frequently than it wants to be taken at face value, for me.
I don't think choosing a director known for his surrealist comedy and romance films was a coincidence.
Resurrection is like the old Hellboy movies.
Violence wrapped in humor and garnished with Ron Perlman.
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So in a way you see it as Spaceballs. Hmm, maybe that's too much. Ice Pirates perhaps!
Yeah, to me it all feels unintended. I wish I could feel that way. :)
I'm not sure Whedon was in on the joke despite writing most of them, but the finished result comes off as affectionate parody more frequently than it wants to be taken at face value, for me.
I don't think choosing a director known for his surrealist comedy and romance films was a coincidence.
Not sure Delicatessen was a romance.
There was a romance in it at least.
I could have used some better grammar. And am possibly misremembering the release dates of a few of his films. However the point stands that he wasn't an accidental choice for that script.
I think he got it on the strength of City of Lost Children.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 16, 2019, 09:24:30 PM
I'm not sure Whedon was in on the joke despite writing most of them, but the finished result comes off as affectionate parody more frequently than it wants to be taken at face value, for me.
I think parody is the best way to describe Resurrection. It's an Alien parody. It certainly has some redeeming qualities and scenes, but over all, it's just a mockery of an Alien film.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 17, 2019, 05:57:09 AM
I think he got it on the strength of City of Lost Children.
Which, to be fair, was a fantastic film.
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 16, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
Apart from the controls, yeah it is.
It's as if it's a bizarre precursor to Isolation also,
the HUD, the resource management, the wall-mounted save stations, the invincible Alien chasing you near the ending levels and friendly & enemy A.I survivors.
Never thought of that!
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I think parody is the best way to describe Resurrection. It's an Alien parody. It certainly has some redeeming qualities and scenes, but over all, it's just a mockery of an Alien film.
I wouldn't agree with parody and mockery is a value judgment.
They tried to make something akin to Aliens, with many creatures, guns, and a few wisecracks. The script wasn't up to par, which wasn't helped by budget cuts, and they hired a director who was known for quirk and not action (despite him studying action movies to give the studio what he thought they wanted).
It was a brave attempt to revive the franchise at the outset, which - just like Alien 3 - they had second thoughts about and didn't give it the respect it deserved. It's not parody.
It is parody, and the concept got the respect it deserved.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 09:21:36 AM
It is parody, and the concept got the respect it deserved.
How can you be so definitive about it? Was it labelled by cast, crew and studio as a parody via press interviews and promotional material surrounding the film's release? Or did this develop later, organically through fandom as time passed to make it more palatable? Because it strikes me as all unintended.
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I think parody is the best way to describe Resurrection. It's an Alien parody. It certainly has some redeeming qualities and scenes, but over all, it's just a mockery of an Alien film.
I wouldn't agree with parody and mockery is a value judgment.
They tried to make something akin to Aliens, with many creatures, guns, and a few wisecracks. The script wasn't up to par, which wasn't helped by budget cuts, and they hired a director who was known for quirk and not action (despite him studying action movies to give the studio what he thought they wanted).
It was a brave attempt to revive the franchise at the outset, which - just like Alien 3 - they had second thoughts about and didn't give it the respect it deserved. It's not parody.
I believe SM is more likely on point here.
Good intentions don't count for much, it ended up a parody despite trying to be something else.
I've seen it regularly considered a comedy even amongst people who enjoy it.
Call 1-800freemoney for your copy of Alien Resurrection.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Jul 17, 2019, 12:52:00 PM
Good intentions don't count for much, it ended up a parody despite trying to be something else.
I've seen it regularly considered a comedy even amongst people who enjoy it.
Call 1-800freemoney for your copy of Alien Resurrection.
Ending up a parody I won't debate you on. :) I just wish I could see it through that prism and enjoy it that way.
Of course I still own AR. Oh fandom, thou art a heartless bastard! ;)
The Blu-Ray is gorgeous. Darius Khondji's cinematography is some of the most beautiful in the franchise when it's not late-90s effects shots.
I'll definitely concede to that. Most of the cinematography in AR is quite delicious.
It is, I thought the Blu-ray was rather lackluster though if I'm honest.
The blu-ray is ok. Nothing special, a bit soft looking. Could use a remaster.
4K with Darius Khondji's oversight please!
Alien vs predator requiem takes the win!!!
i have way more issues with resurrection and i find it easier to watch requiem!
Avpr simply because I find a few of the scenes to be a bit more creepy and disturbing.
I'll prefer Resurrection but maternity ward sequence including notoriously know egg-barfing scene is pretty scary and f**ked up, I'll give Requiem that.
I used to hate Resurrection so much. Still do for multitude of reasons that I post once in a while because this list is as big as an article, but I mostly hated it for ruining what I thought was a perfect trilogy and continuing it despite such a great closure in such a cheap way, and dragging the mythology from a trilogy made by masters into a silly late 90s star trekkie action flick filled with all that was wrong with late 90s. AVP:R is a spinoff and a separate story so it would not have been part of the Ripley saga, therefore this wouldn't directly ruin it because the saga would have still been a trilogy, so my vote goes for AVP:R
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 16, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
I used to hate Resurrection so much. Still do for multitude of reasons that I post once in a while because this list is as big as an article, but I mostly hated it for ruining what I thought was a perfect trilogy and continuing it despite such a great closure in such a cheap way, and dragging the mythology from a trilogy made by masters into a silly late 90s star trekkie action flick filled with all that was wrong with late 90s. AVP:R is a spinoff and a separate story so it would not have been part of the Ripley saga, therefore this wouldn't directly ruin it because the saga would have still been a trilogy, so my vote goes for AVP:R
Agree 100% mate, Alien 3 was/is the perfect ending.
At least A:R happens 200 years later and it is not really THE Ripley we are watching.
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Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 16, 2020, 05:30:21 AM
I used to hate Resurrection so much. Still do for multitude of reasons that I post once in a while because this list is as big as an article, but I mostly hated it for ruining what I thought was a perfect trilogy and continuing it despite such a great closure in such a cheap way, and dragging the mythology from a trilogy made by masters into a silly late 90s star trekkie action flick filled with all that was wrong with late 90s. AVP:R is a spinoff and a separate story so it would not have been part of the Ripley saga, therefore this wouldn't directly ruin it because the saga would have still been a trilogy, so my vote goes for AVP:R
Agree 100% mate, Alien 3 was/is the perfect ending.
At least A:R happens 200 years later and it is not really THE Ripley we are watching.
No Ripley, No Weyland Yutani, no real aliens either, since theyre genetic mutants made from an unpure source. So its easier to distance it from the series. Its not Ripley story anymore, which has ended in A3
They are both SHIT.
I only saw AvP-R at the cinema once and again online just to give it "another chance". Never bothered since 2008. That's what you get when you hire fanboy FX guys to direct.
Resurrection I saw at cinema and as I'm a completist had it on a single DVD and again when it was with the DVD Quadrilogy and then BR Anthology. I watched them just cos I owned it and all the extras just so I could say I'd done so. I never voluntarily watch it. That's what you get when you hire a pretentious art-fag who hardly speaks English to direct.
If I had to chose one to watch though it would be Resurrection. At least I can f**king see what's going on. Hang on, maybe it's less painful if I DON'T see what's going on....
Quote from: nicky on May 28, 2020, 01:12:32 AM
They are both SHIT.
I only saw AvP-R at the cinema once and again online just to give it "another chance". Never bothered since 2008. That's what you get when you hire fanboy FX guys to direct.
Resurrection I saw at cinema and as I'm a completist had it on a single DVD and again when it was with the DVD Quadrilogy and then BR Anthology. I watched them just cos I owned it and all the extras just so I could say I'd done so. I never voluntarily watch it. That's what you get when you hire a pretentious art-fag who hardly speaks English to direct.
If I had to chose one to watch though it would be Resurrection. At least I can f**king see what's going on. Hang on, maybe it's less painful if I DON'T see what's going on....
There's no call for the homophobia.
Or obnoxiously large font.
Does Jeunet ride a Harley?
An artistic one, apparently.
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Does Jeunet ride a Harley?
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Quote from: nicky on May 28, 2020, 01:12:32 AM
They are both SHIT.
I only saw AvP-R at the cinema once and again online just to give it "another chance". Never bothered since 2008. That's what you get when you hire fanboy FX guys to direct.
Resurrection I saw at cinema and as I'm a completist had it on a single DVD and again when it was with the DVD Quadrilogy and then BR Anthology. I watched them just cos I owned it and all the extras just so I could say I'd done so. I never voluntarily watch it. That's what you get when you hire a pretentious art-fag who hardly speaks English to direct.
If I had to chose one to watch though it would be Resurrection. At least I can f**king see what's going on. Hang on, maybe it's less painful if I DON'T see what's going on....
There's no call for the homophobia.
Or obnoxiously large font.
Maybe, it's just my poor knowledge of English but I honestly don't see case of homophobia in that post
"Fag", amongst other things, is a pejorative for gay people.
Oh
Now I know that. Thanks
Although confusingly it can also mean cigarette in the UK.
"Can I bum a fag?" for instance can be completely innocuous over here.
Interesting. Cultural differences, right ?
Language differences.
Quote from: nicky on May 28, 2020, 01:12:32 AM
Resurrection I saw at cinema and as I'm a completist had it on a single DVD and again when it was with the DVD Quadrilogy and then BR Anthology. I watched them just cos I owned it and all the extras just so I could say I'd done so. I never voluntarily watch it. That's what you get when you hire a pretentious art-fag who hardly speaks English to direct.
First and only warning, nicky. None of that ever again please.
Understood and sorry to anyone out there. Surprised it wasn't auto-censored like the F-bomb I used.
Hicks don't auto censor. He keeps his snippers handy, for close encounters.
Hicks doesn't but the forum does.
Quote from: SiL on May 30, 2020, 04:27:13 AM
Hicks doesn't but the forum does.
Turned that off on my first week here and never looked back, I like my vulgarity in uncensored 4k HD
There is such option ? LOL
Quote from: nicky on May 29, 2020, 11:32:15 PM
Understood and sorry to anyone out there. Surprised it wasn't auto-censored like the F-bomb I used.
Regardless of filters, it's not something that's acceptable for people to throw around.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 03, 2020, 06:41:26 AM
There is such option ? LOL
Spoiler
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Thanks
Ha, thanks, I never knew about that either.
The only movie I've seen that is worse than Requiem is Starship Troopers 2... But the Control Bug design and concept of bugs turning humans into decaying zombies automatically makes it better than what Requiem tried to pull!
Sacrilege! I enjoy all the Trooper films, even the bad ones. :P And none are on the unwatchable level of Requiem!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2020, 07:36:58 AM
Sacrilege! I enjoy all the Trooper films, even the bad ones. :P And none are on the unwatchable level of Requiem!
Do I have get my re-education stick out again? :laugh:
Troopers 2 gave us the control bugs and that badass hero track that I will forever love! :laugh:
I remember finding Starship Troopers 2 in the shops. I was naïve back then, and couldn't understand why I'd never heard of it.
Then I watched it, and complete understood why I'd never heard of it.
I especially laughed/cried at the "guns" that were just plastic blocks with flashbulbs in the end.
It's called "innovation" and doing "the most with what you've got". :laugh: Yeah, objectively it's terrible. But I can't help but love all the Troopers films.
The ideas throughout are actually pretty good. It's the execution I can't abide :P
As much as I hate both of them I would still pick A:R any given day
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Wish I could fellas 😀 it's now 667 haha
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2020, 07:36:58 AM
Sacrilege! I enjoy all the Trooper films, even the bad ones. :P And none are on the unwatchable level of Requiem!
With a fraction of the budget, I couldn't believe how much I was enjoying Starship Troopers 3: Marauder. I was like yeah!! They recaptured the spirit of the first film!
Then, unfortunately, it was the last 20 minutes or so that suddenly drove me to drink. :-\
I just watch Roughnecks or play the vidya when I need my SST fix.
Ya know if you change the brightness on AVPR and can actually see the thing Wolf ALMOST redeems some of the movie's worse scenes, like he's great, closest thing to an elder I think we will ever see on screen. Of course there is some really stupid stuff like the pregnant woman and predalien makeout scene, but overall I enjoy AVPR when I can see it.
Alien Ressurection makes me question why the Alien series ever continued after 3
I don't get the adoration for Wolf.
He looked great (especially compared to the previous film's Predators) but he was only "cool" because the script made every Alien he faced into a moron that completely forgot how to fight as soon as he grabbed them to strike a silly pose.
He also totally f**ked up his job of containing the Alien outbreak because he was too busy skinning cops in the woods for no reason. Come on, dude, are you there to cover this mess up or leave skinned cadavers hanging around for everyone to see?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 22, 2020, 08:51:11 PM
I don't get the adoration for Wolf.
He looked great (especially compared to the previous film's Predators) but he was only "cool" because the script made every Alien he faced into a moron that completely forgot how to fight as soon as he grabbed them to strike a silly pose.
He also totally f**ked up his job of containing the Alien outbreak because he was too busy skinning cops in the woods for no reason. Come on, dude, are you there to cover this mess up or leave skinned cadavers hanging around for everyone to see?
Oh the writing is bad lol, nothing makes sense and the xenos are idiots, but the implication of wolf is kinda what I think we all like about him. He sits on a throne overlooking a yautja settlement, he owns like 10 different biomasks all filled with blooded markings. His own helmet has more runes carved into it than the pyramids of AVP, he's got a weapons rack of which he chooses his favorites of like 20. And perhaps most importantly something that only recently occurred to me, of all the people on yautja prime they could have called... they call wolf. Like the hype behind this guy, even his face tells a tale. I think that's why we all like him, he's very much hyped as the end all be all of predators
I think wolf sometimes gets a free pass because he looked and acted (physically if not logicially) more like the Predators of the original two films. The original AVP was just too drastic with its changes and the bulkier look never really worked.
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Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 22, 2020, 10:03:29 PM
I think wolf sometimes gets a free pass because he looked and acted (physically if not logicially) more like the Predators of the original two films. The original AVP was just too drastic with its changes and the bulkier look never really worked.
Always cracked that up to Celtic being an alpha male and a Youngblood which is why he was more brutish. There are parts of AVP I absolutely love which I'm sure aliens fans hate, but the subtle implication that 3 predators could actually hold off that entire pyramid of xenos with the line "IF the hunters lost" and the fact that the pyramids still exist indicates the hunters didn't always lose that fight... 😳. The flashback sequences with the preds should have been what the whole movie was like imo, BA predators vs armies of aliens, similar to broken tusk in Prey or any other book yautja. Even the youngbloods from Prey leapt in and took out about 4 xenos before going down lol
The overt explanation is that 3 Predators couldn't hold off an entire pyramid - so they nuked it.
Under normal circumstances they had 7 Aliens to deal with at a Bouvet style temple.
And big guns.
Yeah. Not a huge challenge - unless they're supposed to be fighting hand-to-hand and the guns are a back up and they're Twitch streaming back to the mother ship so they don't cheat.
Makes you wonder why they bother using the same situation when there has already been a massive infestation before. Seven would be enough and to avoid an infestation, they should have disabled the mechanism to stop more eggs being brought up in the temple. Also the pyramid should be devoid of humans during the hunt.