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Title: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 05:38:04 AM

Screen Daily just shared an exclusive scoop that there’s a new Alien documentary on the way to celebrate the upcoming 40th anniversary of Alien next year. The new documentary, Memory – The Origins Of Alien, is apparently being shopped around at Toronto International Film Festival for worldwide distributors.

"Memory is, full-on, a mythological deep dive into one of the films that influenced me to become a filmmaker, and a long-overdue tribute to its creator and writer Dan O'Bannon," said Philippe. "After the success of 78/52, we have pushed the envelope structurally, sonically, and visually, to deliver our most daring and original film-on-film to date; and I am thrilled to partner with Indie Sales to let it burst out onto the screen in 2019."

According to the article, Memory – The Origins Of Alien will “reveal previously unseen materials from the archives of writer Dan O'Bannon and designer H.R. Giger, including story notes, drawings, designs, behind-the-scenes footage, and O'Bannon's original 29-page Memory script from 1971.

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The documentary is the work of director Alexandre O. Philippe and producer Exhibit A Pictures who previously worked together on the Psycho documentary 78/52: Hitchcock's Shower Scene.

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Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Sep 10, 2018, 05:59:26 AM
Excellent, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 10, 2018, 06:44:28 AM
Forget the debate about the skull and tail. After seeing that picture thank goodness there were no eyes. Eye holes good. Eye balls bad. :)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Sep 10, 2018, 07:03:32 AM
The lidless eye on HR Giger's original Facehugger design I quite liked, but prefer the version we got.

No sunglasses on my Aliens thank you.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 07:26:47 AM
I'm wondering about the extent of the unseen or unknown material.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 10, 2018, 07:57:23 AM
Interesting stuff!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Ingwar on Sep 10, 2018, 08:00:51 AM
QuoteMemory – The Origins Of Alien shot in 4K resolution in Los Angeles, Switzerland, Greece, Italy, London, and Toronto, and is being lined up for an early 2019 release to mark the 40th anniversary of the release of Alien.

Cannot wait to see this. Love movie documentaries.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Sep 10, 2018, 11:27:24 AM
Ill watch this just for the Draft script stuff. Really looking forward to it
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Pvt.Himmel on Sep 10, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
I'm wondering if this will be on it the docs on the 4k Uhd release next year.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 10, 2018, 05:31:11 PM
This excites me immensely.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Sep 10, 2018, 06:35:13 PM
That drawing makes me appreciate the final version of the chestburster. I don't care if it has arms/nubs/whatever, that drawing is ten times scarier and insanely derpy-looking.

Scary and derpy don't go good together.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 10, 2018, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 07:26:47 AM
I'm wondering about the extent of the unseen or unknown material.

I doubt there would be much.

From an interview you conducted with CdL several years ago:

QuoteWith Alien for instance. There's precious few minutes of behind-the-scenes footage from Alien that was shot back in '78 and every time Fox comes to me and asks can we do something new, you know, when it was on the Quadrilogy and later on the Anthology. Can we do something new? I always think, wow, shame I don't have a time machine and I can't go back in time to 1978 and document the hell out of Alien. We've pretty much used all the available footage. I know there's more footage out there we don't have access to but we've pretty much everything we could.

Might be a new drawing or two and that O'Bannon Memory script.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Sep 10, 2018, 09:23:12 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 07:26:47 AM
I'm wondering about the extent of the unseen or unknown material.
Could the unseen footage be outtakes from the Giger's ALIEN documentary?

I hope this new documentary is part of the 4K 40th anniversary release.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Prez on Sep 11, 2018, 12:44:47 AM
It's going to show the mythical box alien footage  ;D

Seriously though I'm looking forward to this. Nice that maybe focus will centre on O'Bannon who sometimes I feel is not given the limelight he deserves in all of this. Not saying O'Bannon isn't recognised rather most conversations about Alien centre around Ridley or Giger.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: D88M on Sep 12, 2018, 01:00:33 AM
lol that chestburster with eyes, anyway this is great to know, 40 years!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: oduodu on Sep 12, 2018, 11:21:30 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 10, 2018, 06:43:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 07:26:47 AM
I'm wondering about the extent of the unseen or unknown material.

I doubt there would be much.

From an interview you conducted with CdL several years ago:

QuoteWith Alien for instance. There's precious few minutes of behind-the-scenes footage from Alien that was shot back in '78 and every time Fox comes to me and asks can we do something new, you know, when it was on the Quadrilogy and later on the Anthology. Can we do something new? I always think, wow, shame I don't have a time machine and I can't go back in time to 1978 and document the hell out of Alien. We've pretty much used all the available footage. I know there's more footage out there we don't have access to but we've pretty much everything we could.

Might be a new drawing or two and that O'Bannon Memory script.

Was that from a podcast or just an interview?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:47:24 AM
A podcast that got written up >> https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/charles-de-lauzirika/ & http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode08.mp3

One of our very early ones.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: oduodu on Sep 12, 2018, 12:21:53 PM
ah thanks
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 14, 2018, 04:21:37 AM

This is such good news. I've been collecting magazine's with or other printed material with any mention about ALIEN for years. 1971 I'm wowed about this!  8)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2018, 04:33:32 AM
I guess this means I have to buy another copy of alien on blu-ray...
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Sep 14, 2018, 05:14:16 AM
4K 40th Anniversary Blu-ray.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 14, 2018, 06:28:37 AM
No less!  ...and a 4K TV to go with it..
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: krikke on Nov 28, 2018, 11:58:36 PM
According to Dark Horizons, this film will be screening at Sundance Film Fest in January, in the Midnight competition.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2018, 09:52:21 AM
Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: krikke on Nov 30, 2018, 03:45:37 AM
http://www.darkhorizons.com/the-2019-sundance-film-festival-line-up/
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2018, 08:28:29 AM
Arigatou gozaimasu.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 09, 2019, 08:38:08 PM
QuoteDirector Alexandre O. Philippe established himself as one of our foremost pop-culture documentarians with 2010's The People vs. George Lucas, 2014's Doc of the Dead, and 2017's 78/52 (the latter of which breaks down the famous shower scene from Psycho). Now Philippe has turned his attention to Ridley Scott's 1979 sci-fi/horror classic Alien with Memory: The Origins of Alien, which will premiere at the upcoming Sundance Film Festival.

"This is actually a very different film [from 78/52]," Philippe tells EW. "People who expect the 78/52 treatment applied to the chestburster [scene] are in for a real surprise. Memory is the origin story of Alien, but it really is a full-on mythological take on the film. It's an exploration of the power of cinema, the power of myths. It's a very unique look at the original Alien film.

"Obviously, Ridley Scott is a huge part of that," the Philippe continues, "but it weighs very heavily on [screenwriter] Dan O'Bannon and H.R. Giger [the artist who designed the look of the titular creature]. We were very fortunate to be able to work with Diane O'Bannon, who is Dan's widow, and who is one of our executive producers. She opened Dan's archive for the very first time, so there's a lot of stuff that fans of the film have probably heard about but have never seen. That includes the original version of the script, that is actually called Memory, that dates back to 1971. Then we worked very closely with the estate of H.R. Giger, and they gave us full access to their archives as well. What they've provided is remarkable."

Interviewees featured in Memory include Alien cast members Tom Skerritt and Veronica Cartwright and set decorator Roger Christian — plus, Philippe says, "a few surprises along the way." Meanwhile, the film's poster boasts an early piece of Alien art from the late Giger.

"The egg that you see in the poster is the very first painting that H.R. Giger did for Dan O'Bannon," says Philippe. "It felt like a really nice and appropriate nod to Dan, and also to Giger and their early collaboration on the film."

https://ew.com/movies/2019/01/09/alien-documentary-memory-poster-sundance/

(https://i2.wp.com/bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/memory-origins-of-alien.png?w=574&ssl=1)

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3540845/poster-art-documentary-memory-origins-alien-features-h-r-giger-painting/
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Jan 09, 2019, 08:46:20 PM
Excellent!!!

So excited, H.R Giger's my idol.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 09, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Looking more and more interesting...

I wonder how it will be distributed? I see it will be shown at the Sundance film festival this month, but will it get a wide cinematic release? Will it be included with the Alien 4k release or sold separately on DVD/BD or digital?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 09, 2019, 08:58:30 PM
THIS I want to see!!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Jan 09, 2019, 09:33:45 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 09, 2019, 08:54:14 PM
Looking more and more interesting...

I wonder how it will be distributed? I see it will be shown at the Sundance film festival this month, but will it get a wide cinematic release?
Will it be included with the Alien 4k release or sold separately on DVD/BD or digital?


Possibly sold separately digitally.
But I can't imagine it being sold separately physically,
probably it will be sold alongside the Alien 4K Blu-Ray.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Jan 09, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
I don't do digital downloads so I'm praying this will be part of the new 4K Blu-ray release.

Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2019, 08:26:00 AM
I'd rather get a physical copy but I hope it sees some sort of worldwide release. Really looking forward to seeing this one!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 10, 2019, 08:36:42 AM
Can't wait for this.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Ja on Jan 10, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
Before Starbeast, there was Planet of the Vampires and It! The Terror from Beyond Space ;)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: SiL on Jan 10, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
And Voyage of the Space Beagle.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 10, 2019, 12:00:46 PM
Cool.  I could own this.

I wish that Giger documentary that came out recently was available for purchase as well with English sub-titles..
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: locusta on Jan 10, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 10, 2019, 12:00:46 PM
Cool.  I could own this.

I wish that Giger documentary that came out recently was available for purchase as well with English sub-titles..

Do You mean the documentary "Dark Star"? Should that not be with Engl subs? Or is there any other docu? Thanks.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 10, 2019, 05:06:33 PM
Gonna see if I can't make it to one of the showings. Sundance is my neck of the woods, been a few times before.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 09, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
I don't do digital downloads so I'm praying this will be part of the new 4K Blu-ray release.

One day, the prevailing thought is you'll have no choice but to download (unfortunately).
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 10, 2019, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 10, 2019, 05:06:33 PM
Gonna see if I can't make it to one of the showings. Sundance is my neck of the woods, been a few times before.

Looking forward to AVP Galaxy's review later this month then!  ;D

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 09, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
I don't do digital downloads so I'm praying this will be part of the new 4K Blu-ray release.
One day, the prevailing thought is you'll have no choice but to download (unfortunately).

I don't think this is an official Fox docu like the CdL ones though. Unless of course they made a deal with Indie Sales to include it with the 4K release.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Jan 10, 2019, 07:54:32 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 10, 2019, 05:29:04 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 09, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
I don't do digital downloads so I'm praying this will be part of the new 4K Blu-ray release.

One day, the prevailing thought is you'll have no choice but to download (unfortunately).
Depressing thought. Until that day, it'll be physical media only.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: reecebomb on Jan 10, 2019, 08:04:19 PM
Looking forward to this, making of features so far have been quite comprehensive, i hope we get some new material and perhaps a commentary on the prequels too, on how they differ from the original vision.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Richman678 on Jan 11, 2019, 02:06:23 AM
I cant think of what else they found that wasn't in the special features already included in the Anthology collection.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 11, 2019, 02:08:41 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 10, 2019, 05:36:17 PM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jan 10, 2019, 05:06:33 PM
Gonna see if I can't make it to one of the showings. Sundance is my neck of the woods, been a few times before.

Looking forward to AVP Galaxy's review later this month then!  ;D

You know it.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2019, 04:26:29 AM
Quote from: locusta on Jan 10, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 10, 2019, 12:00:46 PM
Cool.  I could own this.

I wish that Giger documentary that came out recently was available for purchase as well with English sub-titles..

Do You mean the documentary "Dark Star"? Should that not be with Engl subs? Or is there any other docu? Thanks.

Indeed, I do mean Dark Star.  To this date, I don't know how I can watch this in Canada.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 11, 2019, 05:27:29 AM
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012S1XIKM/ref=atv_feed_catalog
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Jan 11, 2019, 05:59:54 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jan 11, 2019, 02:06:23 AM
I cant think of what else they found that wasn't in the special features already included in the Anthology collection.
I don't believe we've seen everything. The amount of footage that was filmed - there must be more stuff unreleased.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: AlienDestroysPredator on Jan 11, 2019, 06:46:26 AM
All i have to say is that this better get released on either DVD or Bluray. If all they do is a 4k release then i'm not gonna bother with it.

In the past 3 years i have finally bought a blu-ray player and got rid of my dvd collection of over 600 movies and repurchased ALL OF THEM on blu-ray. I am not switching to yet another damn format. And digital downloads have never appealed to me. I refuse to support non-physical media.

It would be such a shame too because this is exactly the type of thing i would love to watch and spend money on but only if its the right format.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 11, 2019, 05:59:54 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jan 11, 2019, 02:06:23 AM
I cant think of what else they found that wasn't in the special features already included in the Anthology collection.
I don't believe we've seen everything. The amount of footage that was filmed - there must be more stuff unreleased.

The announcement specifically mentions O'Bannon's archives being accessed for the first time. I don't think this whole Memory thing is something I know of. If it is, I can't remember it.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: SiL on Jan 11, 2019, 08:18:19 AM
Memory was referenced in basically any story about the genesis of the script. O'Bannon mentions it. But it's never been released.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:19:53 AM
I really can't recall it in the slightest. I'm just a bad fan.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Jan 11, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 11, 2019, 05:59:54 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jan 11, 2019, 02:06:23 AM
I cant think of what else they found that wasn't in the special features already included in the Anthology collection.
I don't believe we've seen everything. The amount of footage that was filmed - there must be more stuff unreleased.

The announcement specifically mentions O'Bannon's archives being accessed for the first time. I don't think this whole Memory thing is something I know of. If it is, I can't remember it.
I would like to see more from Giger's archives - specifically, behind-the-scenes footage. Who knows how much film footage there is that didn't make the final edit for Giger's Alien?

I don't recall seeing any behind-the-scenes footage from the deleted cocoon scene in the Giger's Alien documentary, yet footage (of the crouched Brett egg figure with the missing eyeball & dressing the cocoon set) turned up as clips in The Beast Within: The Making of ALIEN Documentary.

The Brett egg and set dressing footage look very much like Giger / Mia filmed outtakes from the Giger's Alien documentary. 
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 11, 2019, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jan 11, 2019, 05:59:54 AM
Quote from: Richman678 on Jan 11, 2019, 02:06:23 AM
I cant think of what else they found that wasn't in the special features already included in the Anthology collection.
I don't believe we've seen everything. The amount of footage that was filmed - there must be more stuff unreleased.

The announcement specifically mentions O'Bannon's archives being accessed for the first time. I don't think this whole Memory thing is something I know of. If it is, I can't remember it.

It's well known. It's just that nobody has ever seen it. It's meant to only be 30 pages long, and takes us down to the alien planet and no further. The most interesting thing about it will be: what changed between Memory and the first draft of Alien? Character names, dialogue, anything?

There's one archive in particular I talked to you about that I'd love to crack open.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 09:46:49 AM
I am just not with it today. Bad fan alert.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 11, 2019, 05:03:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:19:53 AM
I really can't recall it in the slightest. I'm just a bad fan.

(https://imgur.com/rwK1ZOL.jpg)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 11, 2019, 05:04:50 PM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49781234_2603885702997441_4019289511526662144_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=a39d4e0bb448cd0dae7f341cbce144e1&oe=5CCFC6BD)

Non watermarked version of the poster for those who want it.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2019, 05:13:55 PM
I really cant wait for this.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 16, 2019, 12:07:34 AM
Got my tickets, I'll be seeing it.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
It's looking like we'll also have an opportunity to interview Memory's director, Alexandre O. Philippe!  :) You know the drill, any questions, get them across.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 18, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
It's looking like we'll also have an opportunity to interview Memory's director, Alexandre O. Philippe!  :) You know the drill, any questions, get them across.

What was the process of getting the documentary off the ground like? How did you go about approaching the O'Bannon and Giger families and 20th Century Fox?

Did you consult Charles de Lauzirika's The Beast Within: The Making of Alien at all? What differentiates Memory from Lauzirika's doc?

Is there a wider theatrical release planned after Memory makes its festival debut? How about a physical home media release?

Was Ridley Scott consulted with/spoken to at all as part of the production of Memory, or does the doc exclusively focus on O'Bannon and Giger's contributions?

Any other questions I have would probably delve too much into "spoiler" territory; regardless, can't wait for this doc!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 18, 2019, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 18, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
It's looking like we'll also have an opportunity to interview Memory's director, Alexandre O. Philippe!  :) You know the drill, any questions, get them across.

Nice, RidgeTop I assume? Nightmare pretty much covered it above, some good questions there.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 25, 2019, 02:04:47 AM
This premieres tonight.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 25, 2019, 08:23:47 AM
RidgeTop is going 27th so we'll have our own review (and interview) after that.

I'm looking forward to seeing some impressions or reviews tonight, though!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 25, 2019, 05:43:20 PM
Reviews:

https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/memory-the-origins-of-alien-review-1203115299/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/memory-origins-alien-review-1178935

https://www.thewrap.com/memory-the-origins-of-alien-film-review-2019-documentary-ridley-scott/
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 26, 2019, 02:46:22 AM
Looking good.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 26, 2019, 08:25:42 AM
Via RidgeTop

https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/01/25/sundance-review-memory-the-origins-of-alien-is-at-least-wackier-than-your-a
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/01/memory-the-origins-of-alien-review-sundance-1202036731/
https://bloody-disgusting.com/reviews/3543334/sundance-review-memory-origins-alien-takes-us-inside-chestburster-scene/

Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: SiL on Jan 26, 2019, 10:00:26 AM
Dissapointing, but not surprising.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 26, 2019, 10:10:24 AM
Sounds like it makes some unnecessary digressions, ah well, still keen to give it a watch.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: SloptoYouSLOPTOYOU on Jan 26, 2019, 08:49:26 PM
Stoned Chestburster with eyes should be a reaction image.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: LtJesseRipley on Jan 26, 2019, 09:45:00 PM
Keen to watch this!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 27, 2019, 11:51:34 AM
Question for Alexandre O. Philippe -

In regards to Covenant's chestburster, it seems that Scott's intention there was a subversion of the original chestburster; presenting the creature as a thing of beauty not something to be feared or reviled, what are your thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 27, 2019, 12:15:31 PM
Funny that the chestburster is right there on the 1971 cover page, when Ron Shusett said he gave Dan the idea much later.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 27, 2019, 04:04:52 PM
https://dailydead.com/sundance-2019-interview-memory-director-alexandre-o-philippe-on-exploring-the-lasting-influence-of-alien-and-his-upcoming-the-exorcist-documentary/?fbclid=IwAR0tiuJ_GnxAhV8WykEwXiMgjBtBrwsmctE3KJ7oJqPC1ngU5WcXUxX65mc
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Xenomorphine on Jan 27, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 27, 2019, 11:51:34 AM
Question for Alexandre O. Philippe -

In regards to Covenant's chestburster, it seems that Scott's intention there was a subversion of the original chestburster; presenting the creature as a thing of beauty not something to be feared or reviled, what are your thoughts on that?

The reasoning behind it was a lot more superficial than that:

Quote from: Ridley Scott, 'Alien Covenant' Official Collector's Magazine
How do I make it better than that? I felt it had to be more of a creature with arms and legs.

The posing and choreography was presenting it as a miracle-of-life thing, from David 8's perspective, but the thought behind changing the design was a relatively shallow one.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Jan 28, 2019, 03:11:12 AM
Saw it today, really enjoyed it. The documentary has its own identity unique from all the behind-the-scenes material we've seen before. Memory was very much an art-house style exploration into the feelings that Alien evokes, the symbolism, the ties to mythology. Some great new interviews with Veronica Cartwright, Tom Skerritt, Diane O'Bannon and Carmen Giger. It also goes into the early concepts for Alien and how the story was developed.

I really liked how Dan O'Bannon was finally in the spotlight here, and Giger alongside him. There is a pretty strange opening featuring the "Three Furies" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erinyes) in a set inspired by the Nostromo. They use this Nostromo-style set a few times in the documentary, showing clips from some behind the scenes material we've already seen to emphasize their points.

It's definitely worth a watch, but I do feel it could have used a bit more run time to more thoroughly explore the material, the movie got lost a bit with the "Alien means this!" bits from a number of film-major types they interviewed. Jodorowsky's Dune documentary (slightly referenced in this) really nailed this concept, and I feel like Memory got most of the way there, but not quite all of the way. Still, I hope it sees a wide-release sometime soon, regardless of a few shortcomings from my own personal expectations, it was a real treat.

I'll be writing a more detailed review this week.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 28, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
Cool.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: locusta on Jan 28, 2019, 09:43:20 AM
Awesome Adam, thanks allot. I do hope it will reach Europe as well, as I truly wanna see it on the big screen.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 28, 2019, 01:09:56 PM
Could this be a second disc on the Alien 4k re-release?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Run on Jan 28, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
At this point it is worth to be mentioned that the "untitled Neil Blomkamp Alien movie project" has officially been vanished from IMDB.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Jan 28, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
Quote from: Run on Jan 28, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
At this point it is worth to be mentioned that the "untitled Neil Blomkamp Alien movie project" has officially been vanished from IMDB.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/36/64/58/366458732d0f63a885e039fda298dc69.gif)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 28, 2019, 09:59:25 PM
Quote'Memory: The Origins of Alien' Director on Ridley Scott's Lack of Involvement in the Documentary

Since the stars and filmmakers of Alien have been well represented in features about the making of the film over the years, Alexandre O. Philippe wanted to tell a lesser known story of the classic film. Memory: The Origins of Alien (read our review) focuses on Dan O'Bannon and H.R. Giger. Some other Alien cast members like Tom Skerritt and Veronica Cartwright appear, but Ridley Scott only shows up in archival footage and Sigourney Weaver only in film clips. That's not to say Philippe didn't reach out to them.

"Well, we tried," he told us. "We tried numerous times and it just didn't work out. It's fine."

"The thing about Memory is that it's essentially a cinematic essay about the extraordinary symbiosis that took place between Dan O'Bannon, H.R. Giger and Ridley Scott that gave us Alien. So two of them are sadly gone and had we had Ridley on board, I think it would have perhaps thrown the whole thing off balance a little bit. So sometimes serendipity works in mysterious ways. The fact that Ridley didn't come on board this particular project, of course, made me sad at a certain point. The more I progressed in the making of this film and then eventually realized that we were not going to be able to get an interview with him, it felt serendipitous. It felt like it's probably the right thing for this particular project."

How about Weaver, you ask?

"We went back to Sigourney after we had gotten the news that we got into Sundance and we were going to premiere at Sundance," Philippe said. "The thing about people like Sigourney Weaver or Ridley Scott is they're very busy people. Any film that you make about a Hollywood film where you have to chase certain celebrities, sometimes they just decline. Sometimes they just don't want to do it and sometimes it just doesn't work out schedule-wise. You have to honor that but on our end, I have a story to tell. If I felt that Sigourney or Ridley were necessary to tell the story, then, of course, I would still be chasing them now and we wouldn't have a film today. Even though the film is very much about them, this is an origin story. This is really very much a film about Dan. It's a film about mythology. It's a film about Giger. It's a film about all the early influences that essentially got into Alien. So the story was told. As much as I would have loved to have them in the film, there's a point where you have to go, 'You know, we have to deliver a film to our sales agent and to Sundance by a certain date and the story's been told, so there's going to be no Sigourney, no Ridley."

Since Philippe found archival interviews with Scott, O'Bannon, Giger and John Hurt, certainly there are DVD bonus features of Weaver available. There were, but they didn't make the final cut.

"Most of the footage that we have and the stills that we have in the film were provided by the O'Bannon estate and the Giger estate. Both of them have been partners. They're executive producers on the project. Everything else is fair use. At one point in the cut, we did have a clip of Sigourney. It didn't pass the fair use test according to our lawyers so we had to remove it. That's the way it goes. You don't question the fair use lawyers. I'm really glad though that Ridley has a presence in the film through archival footage which to me feels very balanced between Ridley and Dan and Giger. They all have that sort of archival presence. It's almost like a transmission from outer space if you will. Sigourney obviously has a major presence in the form of film clips."

The deleted Weaver clip came during the film's discussion of the chest burster scene.

"It was a really nice soundbite," he said. "It just wasn't anything that was essential in the telling of our story and I think that's why our lawyers probably said, 'We're going to remove that."

Memory actually began as an analysis of the chest burster scene, it's worth noting, similar to Philippe's focus on the Psycho shower scene in 78/52. The doc ended up expanding beyond that one scene, but the iconic moment is still very much a centerpiece of Philippe's film.

"The argument of the film is that all of that hinged on the success of that one scene. Had the execution of that scene failed, everything would have fallen apart. There is no successful Alien without a successful, believable chest burster scene and therefore there is no Alien franchise without a successful chest burster scene."

Ben Manckiewicz even reads O'Bannon's description of the chest burster in the script out loud.

"It's beautifully written first of all," Philippe said. "Dan O'Bannon never gets enough credit. He's a beautiful writer. If you look back at his early drafts, it's fascinating to be able to witness his process. There are so many different incarnations of Alien as a story, so many alternate endings. He really dug very, very deep into what this movie could be. I gotta say, that scene jumps out of you. The prose, it's remarkable to me how short it is, and yet when you read it, you can see the scene unfolding in your head pretty much exactly the way that it came out."

Scott and Weaver may not have given new interviews for Memory, but they are aware of the film. And now that it's got Sundance buzz, Scott is going to watch it.

"What makes me very happy is that a couple of executives from Scott Free came to the premiere, loved the film and apparently Ridley requested to see it so we sent him the link just yesterday," Philippe said. "I'm very excited about sharing the film with him and I really hope that he will like it."

https://bloody-disgusting.com/interviews/3543550/sundance-memory-origins-alien-didnt-need-ridley-scott-sigourney-weaver-exclusive/
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 29, 2019, 02:42:16 AM
Interesting that the Giger estate were producers on it, maybe they can be bloody producers on the next movie (or show for that matter) so executives don't have to tip toe around legal red tape.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Jan 29, 2019, 02:43:12 AM
Yeah, agreed.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 29, 2019, 10:57:02 AM
http://filmthreat.libsyn.com/memories-of-alien-with-alexandre-o-philippe?fbclid=IwAR2HhBgG5kQHfVD_mF4Jz3yu3G8RYOZvhFtXDxZAIVBoseHH2TLssM91OaM

Not listened to yet. Currently editing ours.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 29, 2019, 12:06:27 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jan 27, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 27, 2019, 11:51:34 AM
Question for Alexandre O. Philippe -

In regards to Covenant's chestburster, it seems that Scott's intention there was a subversion of the original chestburster; presenting the creature as a thing of beauty not something to be feared or reviled, what are your thoughts on that?

The reasoning behind it was a lot more superficial than that:

Quote from: Ridley Scott, 'Alien Covenant' Official Collector's Magazine
How do I make it better than that? I felt it had to be more of a creature with arms and legs.

The posing and choreography was presenting it as a miracle-of-life thing, from David 8's perspective, but the thought behind changing the design was a relatively shallow one.

Was looking at it more thematically and yeah from David's perspective not so much the design, thus it's probably not so much Scott's intention as it was John Logan's et al. in terms of subversion.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 29, 2019, 07:53:01 PM
Quote"I think the sexual imagery of Alien, you could make a whole other film about that," Philippe told us.

https://twitter.com/BDisgusting/status/1090294516597301248
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Jan 29, 2019, 09:10:22 PM
J u i c y Dongs.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 29, 2019, 11:27:45 PM
You see, David did it.  ;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on Jan 29, 2019, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 28, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
Quote from: Run on Jan 28, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
At this point it is worth to be mentioned that the "untitled Neil Blomkamp Alien movie project" has officially been vanished from IMDB.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/36/64/58/366458732d0f63a885e039fda298dc69.gif

"So long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye"  ;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 30, 2019, 12:25:09 AM
Expectation:

(https://i.imgur.com/uGxXXqu.jpg)

REALITY:

(https://i.imgur.com/MFig2yB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NLwPKME.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2eEVlpQ.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 30, 2019, 12:27:42 AM
I need to stop snooping in this thread.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on Jan 30, 2019, 12:50:02 AM
Someone better cook Turk before he goes rotten.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 30, 2019, 09:29:37 AM
Finished putting together RidgeTop's interview with Alexandre and I quite enjoyed it! He's just gotta transcribe it and then it'll be up.  :)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 30, 2019, 05:08:27 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 28, 2019, 09:59:25 PM
Quote'Memory: The Origins of Alien' Director on Ridley Scott's Lack of Involvement in the Documentary
What makes me very happy is that a couple of executives from Scott Free came to the premiere, loved the film and apparently Ridley requested to see it so we sent him the link just yesterday," Philippe said. "I'm very excited about sharing the film with him and I really hope that he will like it."

I read somewhere that Memory takes a few jabs at Prometheus and Covenant. RidgeTop can you confirm? Riddles would probably not be amused.  :laugh:

Quote from: Huggs on Jan 29, 2019, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jan 28, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
Quote from: Run on Jan 28, 2019, 04:27:06 PM
At this point it is worth to be mentioned that the "untitled Neil Blomkamp Alien movie project" has officially been vanished from IMDB.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/36/64/58/366458732d0f63a885e039fda298dc69.gif

"So long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye"  ;D

You lot are reading too much into this. Alien: Covenant II has also "officially been vanished from IMDB". As well as a shyte-tonne of other projects that were either shelved, stalled or in development hell. If Fox/Disney still want's to make a Blomkamp Alien film or a sequel to Covenant then they'll make it irrespective of whether there is a page for it on IMDb or not. It wasn't Fox who created those pages in the first place anyway.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Jan 30, 2019, 05:09:30 PM
I'm not reading into anything, I'm well aware it means exactly, f**k and all.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 30, 2019, 11:13:57 PM
Imdb once had Morse listed as a character for Covenant if I recall correctly. That place needs to be erased.  :D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Jan 31, 2019, 04:02:26 AM
Yeah, correct.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on Jan 31, 2019, 04:38:49 AM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 30, 2019, 11:13:57 PM
Imdb once had Morse listed as a character for Covenant if I recall correctly.

I found him.

He was married to some dude named Branson and saved everyone.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Jan 31, 2019, 05:14:58 AM
Morse spin-off WHEN.  :o
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2019, 05:13:57 PM
Quote from: Necronomicon II on Jan 30, 2019, 11:13:57 PM
Imdb once had Morse listed as a character for Covenant if I recall correctly. That place needs to be erased.  :D

We had Hudafuk on the cast list for a little while as well, back when Covenant was still known as Prometheus II. He was going to play Janek's white twin brother, Jenak.  :laugh:

On Wikipedia some wag (wasn't me honest!) had Corporal Hicks (to be played by Aaron Percival) on Covenant's cast while it was still in early development.  ;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2019, 05:21:30 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/RBckDYmxW5eko/giphy.gif)

Why did no-one tell me? Woulda screencapped that.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2019, 05:27:40 PM
I did tell you! Wait, I'll see if I can find the post.  :D



Ok, here you go:

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55530.msg2149642#msg2149642 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55530.msg2149642#msg2149642)

Wikipedia keeps a history of it's pages, if you go back to that date you might be able to take an actual screencap.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2019, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 11, 2019, 05:03:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:19:53 AM
I really can't recall it in the slightest. I'm just a bad fan.

(https://imgur.com/rwK1ZOL.jpg)

This thread is my f**king undoing.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 31, 2019, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2019, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 11, 2019, 05:03:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:19:53 AM
I really can't recall it in the slightest. I'm just a bad fan.

(https://imgur.com/rwK1ZOL.jpg)

This thread is my f**king undoing.

I should've served some cocoa during the interview. That always helps.

Also, you're not a bad fan. I'm a bad fan, and Xenomrph has proof.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2019, 05:45:24 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2019, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jan 11, 2019, 05:03:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2019, 08:19:53 AM
I really can't recall it in the slightest. I'm just a bad fan.

(https://imgur.com/rwK1ZOL.jpg)

This thread is my f**king undoing.

He, he, he...  :laugh:

Anyway, found the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alien:_Covenant&oldid=747861791 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alien:_Covenant&oldid=747861791)

Look under cast...  ;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 31, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
Lol. I'd like to know who did do that.  :P
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Jan 31, 2019, 09:09:49 PM
It almost certainly was Local. He's been nothing but Trouble since the day he joined.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Necronomicon II on Feb 01, 2019, 12:57:32 AM
All these shenanigans.  :D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on Feb 01, 2019, 01:12:35 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 31, 2019, 05:39:55 PM
Also, you're not a bad fan. I'm a bad fan, and Xenomrph has proof.

That's just, like, his opinion, man.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 01, 2019, 01:19:13 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 01, 2019, 01:12:35 AM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Jan 31, 2019, 05:39:55 PM
Also, you're not a bad fan. I'm a bad fan, and Xenomrph has proof.

That's just, like, his opinion, man.

I said I wouldn't pay $83 for Mark Rolston's signature. That makes me a bad fan. That wasn't his opinion.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2019, 03:09:04 AM
I wonder who gives Mark Rolston worse nightmares: the alien or Clancy Brown?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 01, 2019, 03:13:13 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2019, 03:09:04 AM
I wonder who gives Mark Rolston worse nightmares: the alien or Clancy Brown?

He was out like a light when the acid hit him. Clancy Brown let him live at the expense of making sure he never walked again.

Imma say Clancy Brown.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on Feb 01, 2019, 03:16:54 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2019, 03:09:04 AM
I wonder who gives Mark Rolston worse nightmares: the alien or Clancy Brown?

Neither. Just small crawlspaces and Sylvester Stallone.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 01, 2019, 03:22:55 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 01, 2019, 03:16:54 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2019, 03:09:04 AM
I wonder who gives Mark Rolston worse nightmares: the alien or Clancy Brown?

Neither. Just small crawlspaces and Sylvester Stallone.

"Get thith in your eyeth, it'll blind you."
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Feb 01, 2019, 07:21:12 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2019, 03:09:04 AM
I wonder who gives Mark Rolston worse nightmares: the alien or Clancy Brown?

The Goblin.



;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 01, 2019, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 01, 2019, 07:21:12 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 01, 2019, 03:09:04 AM
I wonder who gives Mark Rolston worse nightmares: the alien or Clancy Brown?

The Goblin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSpv3FyRdgw

;D

He wasn't playing the character in this movie. Doesn't count.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 09:00:05 AM
Interview is up :)

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/alexandre-phillipe/
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Feb 05, 2019, 12:08:10 AM
An amazing interview. I did not know the chestburster scene originally happened much later in the story! Very interesting. And that picture of Dan is too awesome. He truly was an amazing writer and a genius. Can't wait to watch this documentary. Between this and "The Making of ALIEN" and Alien: Blackout and I'm sure much more, 2019 is an awesome year for Alien. ;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on Feb 05, 2019, 01:54:58 AM
Excellent interview.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 05, 2019, 02:09:22 AM
I'm looking forward to the interview, though would it be better to watch the documentary first?  Anyone?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Never say no to Panda! on Feb 05, 2019, 07:27:17 AM
Well, i heard the interview yesterday, now i want to see the documentary...so this way around worked for me :D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 07, 2019, 03:37:22 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 05, 2019, 02:09:22 AM
I'm looking forward to the interview, though would it be better to watch the documentary first?  Anyone?

The interview doesn't give too much away, but if you want to go in entirely fresh then by all means hold off on listening.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 08, 2019, 03:44:52 AM
Thank you.  If it looks as though the film will not be available in North America then I'll give the interview a listen.  Looking forward to it regardless.
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Post by: Necronomicon II on Feb 08, 2019, 03:51:56 AM
Seems like he wasn't really taking digs at the prequels, seems to find Scott exploring the themes deeper as the way to go these days.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Feb 09, 2019, 10:14:15 PM
My review is up here.  (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/?page_id=43894&preview=true)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Fatboy40 on Feb 13, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
So, how earth does someone who doesn't attend art-house film festivals etc. get to see this documentary?
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 13, 2019, 01:04:05 PM
That remains to be seen. According to our interview with Alexandre, he's talking to distributors at the minute.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 13, 2019, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Feb 13, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
So, how earth does someone who doesn't attend art-house film festivals etc. get to see this documentary?

I am having the same frustration going back to the Giger documentary which I still haven't seen.  This is such an opportunity for Netflix.  Jodorowsky's Dune was huge!
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 14, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
I hope it isn't Netflix, only because they don't do physical releases of their films and I would love to have a copy for my shelf.
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Post by: BishopShouldGo on Feb 18, 2019, 07:20:49 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 13, 2019, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Feb 13, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
So, how earth does someone who doesn't attend art-house film festivals etc. get to see this documentary?

I am having the same frustration going back to the Giger documentary which I still haven't seen.  This is such an opportunity for Netflix.  Jodorowsky's Dune was huge!

That doc is amazing. Giger was a genius.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 08:40:35 AM
Which Doc was that? Dark Star?
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Post by: BishopShouldGo on Feb 18, 2019, 07:47:49 PM
Yes. Sadly it's not on Netflix anymore. At least in the US.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 18, 2019, 09:47:39 PM
You guys had it on netflix in the States?  I'm in Canada.  No such thing.  What a diss..
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2019, 10:46:34 PM
I've finally just ordered myself a copy of the DVD. That said, I don't know if my Blu-ray player will player Region 1 DVDs. Probably ought to have checked that first.
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Post by: BishopShouldGo on Feb 20, 2019, 12:14:03 AM
It's worth a shot. Plus it's a cool thing to have anyway.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 20, 2019, 01:28:08 AM
U mean Dark Star?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Feb 20, 2019, 02:25:22 AM
Yes. I love streaming. But I also love having physical copies of things. I'd love for there to someday be a Haunting of Hill House boxset for example, loaded with special features.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 26, 2019, 06:56:40 PM
QuoteScreen Media and Legion M have acquired North American rights to Alexandre O. Philippe's documentary feature Memory: The Origins of Alien, an exploration of the classic sci-fi film Alien. The companies release the film in theaters this summer, timed to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Alien's theatrical release.

The deal marks the first since the partnership between Legion M and CSS Entertainment, which owns film distributor Screen Media, was announced last December.

https://deadline.com/2019/04/memory-the-origins-of-alien-screen-media-legion-m-north-american-rights-1202602454/
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 29, 2019, 08:47:02 AM
I'm so glad we're getting a home release! I also wont complain about seeing it in the cinema in the UK if that comes to be!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Hyperdyne120-a2 on Apr 29, 2019, 03:06:51 PM
This is GREAT news! This has been probably the most curious item recently, and I wasn't able to see it. Thankfully kept myself in the dark about it in case it got a home release. Phew!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: FenGiddel on Apr 29, 2019, 03:27:01 PM
I was corresponding with wmmvrrvrrmm the other day about the "memory trap" elements of Cifford Simak's "Junkyard" story, of which Dan O'Bannon some interest and may have crept into the story. Here's the Archive.org link (https://archive.org/details/galaxymagazine-1953-05), in case anyone's interested in reading it.




click
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Post by: LtJesseRipley on Apr 30, 2019, 05:16:37 AM
Can't wait for this!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Fatboy40 on Apr 30, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
So almost all of the world, excluding Canada and the USA (North America), still won't be able to see it?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: cloverfan98 on Apr 30, 2019, 07:25:02 PM
This looks awesome any idea when its being released on home video?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Voodoo Magic on Apr 30, 2019, 07:59:57 PM
I would imagine it's just going to screen in major cities. New York. Philadelphia. Chicago. Los Angeles. Etc.

For most in the U.S. that still may be too far off.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 01, 2019, 08:52:14 AM
Quote from: Fatboy40 on Apr 30, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
So almost all of the world, excluding Canada and the USA (North America), still won't be able to see it?

We know they've also got a UK distributor. Not sure about others, though.


Quote from: cloverfan98 on Apr 30, 2019, 07:25:02 PM
This looks awesome any idea when its being released on home video?

Unknown but Legion M did confirm it was getting a home release.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Mr. Clemens on May 01, 2019, 09:08:11 PM
Toronto peeps, it turns out this film has screened twice at Hot Docs recently and has one more showing this Saturday afternoon:

https://boxoffice.hotdocs.ca/websales/pages/info.aspx?evtinfo=90014~6052eab3-8904-4c72-8914-433e6b8b62f1& (https://boxoffice.hotdocs.ca/websales/pages/info.aspx?evtinfo=90014~6052eab3-8904-4c72-8914-433e6b8b62f1&)

See you there!  ;D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The Old One on May 03, 2019, 09:59:42 PM
Home release, physical or digital I wonder.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on May 04, 2019, 04:20:23 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 30, 2019, 07:59:57 PM
I would imagine it's just going to screen in major cities. New York. Philadelphia. Chicago. Los Angeles. Etc.

For most in the U.S. that still may be too far off.

Way too far off for me  :laugh:
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Mr. Clemens on May 04, 2019, 10:21:10 PM
Just got back from seeing this in Toronto. Very enjoyable, clearly made with a lot of love for the material. Not a lot of new information to be gleaned, but it was fun to hear a festival crowd react to all the funny stories that we're all familiar with.

That said, I'm sure there were at least a few behind-the-scenes photos (and a clip of the alien getting 'steamed' in the Narcissus) that I'd never seen before.

Honestly, the highlight for me was simply catching up with (many of) the major players again - particularly, getting to hear from Terry Rawlings one last time.  :)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on May 05, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 04, 2019, 10:21:10 PM
Just got back from seeing this in Toronto. Very enjoyable, clearly made with a lot of love for the material. Not a lot of new information to be gleaned, but it was fun to hear a festival crowd react to all the funny stories that we're all familiar with.

That said, I'm sure there were at least a few behind-the-scenes photos (and a clip of the alien getting 'steamed' in the Narcissus) that I'd never seen before.

Honestly, the highlight for me was simply catching up with (many of) the major players again - particularly, getting to hear from Terry Rawlings one last time.  :)
Something new or the same outtake footage from the Enhancement Pod on the Anthology set?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Mr. Clemens on May 05, 2019, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on May 05, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 04, 2019, 10:21:10 PM
That said, I'm sure there were at least a few behind-the-scenes photos (and a clip of the alien getting 'steamed' in the Narcissus) that I'd never seen before.
Something new or the same outtake footage from the Enhancement Pod on the Anthology set?

I'll dig that out tonight and let you know! I only watched those pods once when the Anthology came out, so I may have forgotten it...


Quote from: Elmazalman on May 05, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on May 04, 2019, 10:21:10 PM
Just got back from seeing this in Toronto. Very enjoyable, clearly made with a lot of love for the material. Not a lot of new information to be gleaned, but it was fun to hear a festival crowd react to all the funny stories that we're all familiar with.

That said, I'm sure there were at least a few behind-the-scenes photos (and a clip of the alien getting 'steamed' in the Narcissus) that I'd never seen before.

Honestly, the highlight for me was simply catching up with (many of) the major players again - particularly, getting to hear from Terry Rawlings one last time.  :)
Something new or the same outtake footage from the Enhancement Pod on the Anthology set?

[EDIT] Just had a look and, sho nuff, it's the last shot of the 'Finding Bolaji Badejo' pod.  :P
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 22, 2019, 10:43:41 AM
Another interview: https://marshattacks.com/2019/03/22/alexandre-o-philippe-interview/
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on May 22, 2019, 12:45:44 PM
We're overflowing with Podcasts. lol
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 22, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
Plenty of content to enjoy!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on May 22, 2019, 12:49:06 PM
Can only complain about my lack of time to listen to 'em all!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 21, 2019, 12:45:16 PM
http://www.liveforfilm.com/2019/06/21/eiff-2019-review-memory-the-origins-of-alien/


Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Jun 21, 2019, 11:52:31 PM

Well...that was creepy.   :o I wasn't expecting that.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Jun 22, 2019, 12:32:52 AM
Thanks for sharing! Really can't wait to get my hands on this doc.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jun 23, 2019, 11:37:26 AM
Alrighty.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 25, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Couple more reviews (via Alien Exploration)

https://www.awardscircuit.com/2019/03/08/film-review-in-memory-the-origins-of-alien-philippe-crafts-a-film-essay-to-honor-the-classic/
https://www.theskinny.co.uk/film/new-releases/memory-the-origins-of-alien
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Post by: The Old One on Jun 25, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
Thank you Alien Exploration then.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 25, 2019, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 21, 2019, 12:45:16 PM
http://www.liveforfilm.com/2019/06/21/eiff-2019-review-memory-the-origins-of-alien/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmMfNcYAHxs

I don't get it
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 25, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifimoviezone.com%2Falienwitches.jpg&hash=b7af0a42fe5f6f0ec76f1e112e6ad673a79352cf)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on Jun 25, 2019, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jun 25, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
http://scifimoviezone.com/alienwitches.jpg

I felt I'd sound like an idiot for asking that question.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only who doesn't know just what the hell is going on there.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 25, 2019, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 25, 2019, 10:14:46 PM
I'm glad to know I'm not the only who doesn't know just what the hell is going on there.

I'll keep an open mind when viewing the whole package. That said, if I were making a documentary on Alien, likely the very last visuals I would include is three old ladies that look like witches with sharp teeth wrapped in mummy cloth.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Jun 26, 2019, 01:40:40 AM

Venturing a guess it's something to do with O'Bannon's Lovecraftian influence  ???
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 26, 2019, 02:10:34 AM
Left field!  ....  Incoming!!
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: kwisatz on Jun 26, 2019, 04:56:42 AM
If this doc is really digging deep those three ladys might have a connection with the Alien concerning the sexual nature of its horror.

Come to think of it there are a lot of feminine aspects the Alien is sharing with the more archetypical horrors that lead straight into the witch myth (its lean body with the elongated extremities; the emaciated jawline and appearance in general; the covert eyes [by the run-down hair in the witchs case] etc)

Not to mention the whole male rape victim aspect both "monster types" emphatically evoke.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 26, 2019, 09:11:04 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 25, 2019, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jun 25, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
http://scifimoviezone.com/alienwitches.jpg

I felt I'd sound like an idiot for asking that question.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only who doesn't know just what the hell is going on there.

RidgeTop will explain as best he can remember when he wakes up.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: RidgeTop on Jun 26, 2019, 10:35:35 PM
Honestly I need to watch it again as I saw it back in January, but essentially it's argued that Alien shares thematic philosophical elements with the Greek Furies of mythology, though I can't remember the specifics of the comparison. Yeah it's weird, the documentary is weirder than Alien fans will be used to but that's what made it unique for me. It's a part of the film, the whole documentary is not hinged upon it, as lots is just about the history of Dan O'Bannon's involvement.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 27, 2019, 03:09:24 AM
Quote from: RidgeTop on Jun 26, 2019, 10:35:35 PM
Honestly I need to watch it again as I saw it back in January, but essentially it's argued that Alien shares thematic philosophical elements with the Greek Furies of mythology, though I can't remember the specifics of the comparison. Yeah it's weird, the documentary is weirder than Alien fans will be used to but that's what made it unique for me. It's a part of the film, the whole documentary is not hinged upon it, as lots is just about the history of Dan O'Bannon's involvement.

Fair enough, I'll keep an open mind when I see the witches appear.

However, if the witches in an Alien documentary feels like gonads on a ewe, well then.......

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/53969122.jpg)
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Post by: RidgeTop on Jun 27, 2019, 08:39:38 AM
^ Thankfully it's bit more nuanced than that.
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Post by: The Old One on Jun 27, 2019, 11:34:28 AM
I'd hope so.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 27, 2019, 01:53:55 PM
On a more positive note, I'm really lovin' the new Blu ray cover for the documentary.....

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscifimoviezone.com%2Fmemorybluray.png&hash=23ba4c2ea0a962cad1c93a0d011ca7fb5cd64a8a)



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Post by: Huggs on Jun 27, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
So Obannon went to the cave and consulted the eye?
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Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 27, 2019, 02:35:01 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Jun 27, 2019, 01:56:58 PM
So Obannon went to the cave and consulted the eye?

Sounds about right. And I'm guessing Deino, Enyo, and Pemphredo use Alien 79's illuminated blue mist to keep the eye preserved.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Jun 27, 2019, 04:21:23 PM

And to think evil flying monkees were just the beginning...
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 27, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Jun 27, 2019, 04:21:23 PM

And to think evil flying monkees were just the beginning...

:laugh:

I don't doubt it's a well crafted video by the praise it's getting, but it feels like a philosophical fan theory got bankrolled. Attempting to attach some ancient human lore to the world of Alien feels like it taking the "alien-ness" out of Alien. I prefer my Alien to remain pure alien rather than an anthropomorphic connect the dots to us via ancient Greek mythology. "Nahh, man, Alien is really not alien at all, it's just the Gray Sisters regurgitated."

I see in Phillipe's filmography, he's working on a sequel to Memory......
MEMORY Part 2: Parker Meets Medusa  ;)



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Post by: Huggs on Jun 27, 2019, 07:18:29 PM
I honestly don't know if I could sit through it. There's been so much behind the scenes information that I feel like the only thing left we don't know is what kind of napkins Giger used at home.

The poor things been analyzed down to a cellular level at this point.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 29, 2019, 09:56:57 PM
Maybe it's like a deconstruction of Dan O'Bannon's original Alien (http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/2009/06/c-pyramid.html) (via Alien Exploratios):

QuoteExpanding on this in the original conception of the Alien race, the inhabitants of the planetoid are seen as tough and primitive, and with an extremely complicated sexual cycle. Reproduction was very difficult for them and had therefore become central to their religion. And this pyramid was a temple to reproduction, the exterior was approximately twenty metres tall and was possibly the creation of an ancient, primitive and cruel culture. Inside the building is a room accessed through a vertical tunnel in the roof since the normal entrance has long since collapsed. The spore pods can be found around the alter in the centre of the room. The inhabitants of this world had three entirely different stages in it's life-cycle which are featured as very stylised hieroglyphs on the wall of the birthing temple. It features an oval design with markings as a spore casing, a star shape as a face-hugger, and the star shapes are shown in conjugation with other life forms perceived as freakish hybrids or Gargoyles, these hybrids were often part anthropoid and part octopus in another rewrite part insect and worm like things are then seen emerging from the hybrids, the image of the spore and face-hugger is followed by a creature with six legs and tentacles as the creature in its young form and then the larger form and the pattern repeats itself.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 01:08:07 AM
Well, Phillipe must be doing something right, he is also praised for his other documentaries. I read some reviews on it, I found one review that touches on the Greek Furies as an allegory to Alien......

"And it expands on a theme that's often been talked about: that "Alien" was a subterranean feminist horror film — not just because Sigourney Weaver's Ripley turns into one of the most potent heroines in cinema, but because the movie, drawing on the Greek mythology of the Furies, conjures a symbolic nightmare fantasy of a man getting raped (by the face-hugger) and then, in the chest-bursting scene, giving birth."

Digging further since I don't know much about Greek Mythology, apparently the Furies were three goddesses of vengeance who punished men for crimes against the natural order.

So there's the connection....I guess....kinda....sorta.....if you squint your eyes. Apparently that's why we see three witches rising through Alien 79's illuminated blue mist.

I guess the next thing I need to dig for is WTF is a subterranean feminist horror film.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 30, 2019, 01:24:48 AM
Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 01:08:07 AM
Well, Phillipe must be doing something right, he is also praised for his other documentaries. I read some reviews on it, I found one review that touches on the Greek Furies as an allegory to Alien......

"And it expands on a theme that's often been talked about: that "Alien" was a subterranean feminist horror film — not just because Sigourney Weaver's Ripley turns into one of the most potent heroines in cinema, but because the movie, drawing on the Greek mythology of the Furies, conjures a symbolic nightmare fantasy of a man getting raped (by the face-hugger) and then, in the chest-bursting scene, giving birth."

Digging further since I don't know much about Greek Mythology, apparently the Furies were three goddesses of vengeance who punished men for crimes against the natural order.

So there's the connection....I guess....kinda....sorta.....if you squint your eyes. Apparently that's why we see three witches rising through Alien 79's illuminated blue mist.

(https://i.imgur.com/WVFuRFO.jpg)

Jonesy was the only one who wasn't attacked by the Alien, though  :laugh:   

Quote from: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 01:08:07 AM
I guess the next thing I need to dig for is WTF is a subterranean feminist horror film.

https://youtu.be/fX746b8pDVg   
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 01:38:42 AM
Oh I understand the feminist horror part, but what does your video example Audition, have to do with subterranean?

Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 30, 2019, 01:45:52 AM
Maybe no so much. I guess by subterranean he means B-movies or films that aren't on the mainstream radar. Although, since we are talking about Alien, I doubt it.

Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 02:01:20 AM
Yea, Alien doesn't really fall in the B-movie category even back then.

Well....at the very least, The Descent is a subterranean feminist horror film....literally.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 30, 2019, 02:38:02 AM
I know it's a symbolic interpretation of the original Alien, but we already know the truth :laugh:: The Alien is a misanthropic killing-machine designed to erase the entire mankind by a misanthropist robot, with repressed sexuality.

Edit: Also, it's funny to note that what they did with this documentary is the same thing that some fans have done in the prequels section of this site. I mean the interpretation and search of symbols.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Jun 30, 2019, 04:39:06 AM

I will leave the symbolic interpretation to those more knowledgeable than I. What I am hoping for is to see sketches,doodles,notes on early ideas and concepts. Something from his own hand we haven't seen.  :)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 07:53:00 PM
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Jun 30, 2019, 04:39:06 AM

I will leave the symbolic interpretation to those more knowledgeable than I. What I am hoping for is to see sketches,doodles,notes on early ideas and concepts. Something from his own hand we haven't seen.  :)

Probably the less muddled and best approach to take.

I did a search on 'subterranean feminist horror film,' but Mr. Google reports, "sorry, I got nothing."
The first listing it shows is......

13 Best Feminist Horror Movies - Top New Horror Films for Women
Jul 18, 2018 - 13 Feminist Horror Movies That Will Make You Appreciate the Genre in a .... adventure goes terribly wrong when they get trapped underground.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 30, 2019, 08:49:30 PM
I think subterranean was meant as "by stealth", you don't suspect it to be a feminist horror but then later the themes fall into place.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 09:04:06 PM
A bit of a stretch, but sounds plausible. Though when I think "stealth," subterranean would be far from the first word that pops in my mind.

I pondered if subterranean feminist horror meant a female character(s) confronting horrors in the dark crevices of a given cinematic environment/locale.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Jun 30, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
It's not the best use of language, but I think you're being way too literal too.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jun 30, 2019, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 30, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
It's not the best use of language,

Maybe. But "stealth" is still plausible it was the author's intent.

Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 30, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
but I think you're being way too literal too.

Certainly a possibility.


Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jul 01, 2019, 02:33:06 PM
Maybe subterranean just means underground?  As in, not main stream?
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 01, 2019, 03:14:11 PM
For UKians.

https://www.facebook.com/events/2198200837067221/?notif_t=plan_user_invited&notif_id=1561993826974399

Thanks to HuDa for the link. We're thinking of going but not sure when yet.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Biomechanoid on Jul 01, 2019, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 01, 2019, 02:33:06 PM
Maybe subterranean just means underground?  As in, not main stream?

Alien was pretty mainstream back in 79. Even more so now.



From that Facebook page......."From writer Dan O'Bannon's original script Star Beast, to H. R. Giger's startling designs, the influences of Egyptian and Greek mythology"

I thought O'Bannon's influences was the old sci-fi/horror films, but Dan does reference Greek drama several times in his book albeit mainly for historical purposes.  I suppose this is where Phillipe sees Greek mythology as one of Dan's driving influences.

However, never once does Dan mention Greek mythology in his book. As for connecting from the influence of Greek drama (or in this case, mythology) for historical purposes to modern script writing, this could be said for countless screenwriters.




Okay, I think I got it sorted it out. It's a matter of applying the 'Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon' game . . . sorta.

Influenced by numerous old sci-fi/horror films, O'Bannon created the Alien universe, which Giler and Walter Hill, who is largely influenced by Westerns, gave Dan's script a "complete makeover" (contested by O'Bannon). In turn, Ridley Scott was tasked with bringing it to the box office.

In creating the chestburster, Ridley was influenced by Francis Bacon. And in turn, Francis was influenced by Greek mythology for his Crucifixion triptych paintings. So Ridley tasked Giger to create the chestburster with the influence of Francis Bacon, which in turn is influenced by the Greek Furies, though Giger's strongest influences were surrealists Dado and Dali.

So if you go back far enough, eventually you will bump into Greek drama or mythology . . . . though you could pretty much apply that to any modern story. Phillipe decided to hoist the Furies from the back row of influences to a front row showcase of his documentary......and that's why we see wicked witches of the mess rising from the Alien 79's illuminated blue mist.

And there you have it.....The Seven Degrees of Francis Bacon game.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 02, 2019, 08:03:54 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 01, 2019, 03:14:11 PM
For UKians.

https://www.facebook.com/events/2198200837067221/?notif_t=plan_user_invited&notif_id=1561993826974399

Thanks to HuDa for the link. We're thinking of going but not sure when yet.

And tickets booked.  ;D We're doing the 4pm showing on the 31st if folk want to meet up.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 02, 2019, 08:42:59 PM
Enjoy!  ;D
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Post by: Whos_Nick on Jul 08, 2019, 06:39:25 PM
Legion M will be hosting a couple of Alien themed events at SDCC, just got the press release.

Thurs., July 18 (7:15 p.m.-8:15 p.m.) "Fans Celebrating 40 Years of Alien" Panel, Room 6BCF, San Diego Comic-Con

A deep dive into the origins of "Alien" and its fandom with documentary director Alexandre O. Philippe ("The People vs. George Lucas," "Doc of the Dead," "78/52: Hitchcock's Shower Scene"), Diane O'Bannon (Dan O'Bannon Estate), Will Linn (Joseph Campbell Foundation), David Baxter (Legion M) and special guests as they discuss Philippe's upcoming feature documentary "Memory: The Origins of Alien" and the sustaining power of Ridley Scott's horror/Sci-Fi masterpiece with fandom. Trailer debut from the "Memory: The Origins of Alien" documentary will be shown.


Fri., July 19 (10:00 p.m.- 12:00 a.m.) "Memory: The Origins of Alien" Fan Premiere and Q&A, Theater Box

Come see the critically-acclaimed documentary "Memory: The Origins of Alien" followed by a special Q&A with the film's director Alexandre O. Philippe ("The People vs. George Lucas," "Doc of the Dead"). The feature-length film, which premiered to rave reviews in the Midnight Section at the 2019 Sundance Film Festival, unearths the largely untold origin story behind Ridley Scott's cinematic masterpiece, and reveals a treasure trove of never-before-seen materials from the archives of "Alien" creators Dan O'Bannon and H.R. Giger, including original story notes, rejected designs and storyboards, exclusive behind-the-scenes footage, and O'Bannon's original 29 page script from 1971, titled Memory. The documentary also takes fans on an exploration of the mythical underpinnings of "Alien" and dedicates focus on the film's iconic "Chestburster" scene. "Memory: The Origins of Alien" screening and Q&A hosted by Legion M and Screen Media is a must-see SDCC event for "Alien" fans celebrating the epic horror/Sci-Fi film's 40th anniversary. Ticket info coming soon at www.legionm.com/sdcc2019!
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 08, 2019, 10:55:18 PM
I hope somebody films the Q&A, if allowed.
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Post by: Darwinsgirl on Jul 08, 2019, 11:43:07 PM

         
                     
My thought exactly...
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 08, 2019, 11:47:02 PM
We'll see I guess!
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 09, 2019, 08:49:09 AM
For the Aussies >

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Post by: The Old One on Jul 09, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Around the world then? Good.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2019, 09:02:39 AM
An actual link: https://scoop.com.au/perth-wa/guides/arts-events/leederville/events/listing/memory-the-origins-of-alien/
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 10, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
I hope the "treasure trove of content" is also available for individual viewing on the home release.
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Post by: [cancerblack] on Jul 10, 2019, 07:43:25 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Jul 09, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Around the world then? Good.



It screened here a couple weeks ago, the publicly funded radio station did a decently long interview with Alexandre too.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 10, 2019, 11:28:24 PM
You see the film?
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Post by: Valaquen on Jul 11, 2019, 12:52:36 PM
I was encouraged to talk to Alexandre's people to see a preview of this months ago but noped out. I hope it's good. I just wanna know the names of the characters in Memory.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2019, 01:00:22 PM
HuDa and I are going to see it at London. I know it's a journey and a half for you, but the offers there if you want to join us.
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Post by: Valaquen on Jul 11, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2019, 01:00:22 PM
HuDa and I are going to see it at London. I know it's a journey and a half for you, but the offers there if you want to join us.

It's always a money thing. Not sure I could get to London cheaply within the next week  :'(
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2019, 01:49:02 PM
Sorry, we're going August 31st.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Valaquen on Jul 11, 2019, 05:27:06 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2019, 01:49:02 PM
Sorry, we're going August 31st.

.... could be possible.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2019, 06:28:07 PM
https://princecharlescinema.com/PrinceCharlesCinema.dll/WhatsOn?f=12740622

Tickets are here mate.
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Post by: The Old One on Jul 15, 2019, 06:41:16 PM
Inform us of the quality of the viewing experience.
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Post by: The1PerfectOrganism on Jul 16, 2019, 11:29:16 AM
Yes please do.
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Post by: Valaquen on Aug 12, 2019, 06:44:00 PM
I saw this over the weekend. Will write up some thoughts when I have time (I was kinda whelmed, overall).
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: windebieste on Aug 12, 2019, 11:48:25 PM
I haven't had the chance to see 'Memory' yet as there has been no screening of it I know of in Australia; but I will be very interested in reading your opinion of it. 

-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Document...
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2019, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 12, 2019, 06:44:00 PM
I saw this over the weekend. Will write up some thoughts when I have time (I was kinda whelmed, overall).

Which kind of whelmed, Val? Which?!
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Post by: The Old One on Aug 13, 2019, 02:04:22 PM
Whelmed in of itself is a word, meaning:
engulf, submerge, or bury.
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Post by: Valaquen on Aug 13, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2019, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 12, 2019, 06:44:00 PM
I saw this over the weekend. Will write up some thoughts when I have time (I was kinda whelmed, overall).

Which kind of whelmed, Val? Which?!

Neither under nor over  :laugh:
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 13, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
Twas ok.  :laugh: Got it.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 27, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 27, 2019, 02:48:43 PM
Cool, glad the public is finally going to get to see this On Demand. Still holding out hope for a Blu-ray as well.
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Post by: iain on Aug 28, 2019, 03:52:03 PM
Can't wait to sit down and watch this!
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Post by: Huggs on Aug 29, 2019, 12:17:09 AM
So will this be available in the U.S.?
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 29, 2019, 03:39:39 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 29, 2019, 12:17:09 AM
So will this be available in the U.S.?

Or Canada?  We love your Queen, don't forget us.
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Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 29, 2019, 05:38:48 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Aug 29, 2019, 12:17:09 AM
So will this be available in the U.S.?

Yep! Screening details are here: https://screenmediafilms.net/productions/details/2891/Memory-The-Origins-of-Alien
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Aug 29, 2019, 09:18:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 27, 2019, 02:48:43 PMStill holding out hope for a Blu-ray as well.

It's coming out on DVD. No sign of Blu-ray.
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Post by: The Old One on Aug 29, 2019, 10:44:44 PM
Indeed, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 30, 2019, 07:18:20 AM
Just got my shipping notice for the DVD. I'll chuckle if it's here tomorrow before I go see it at the cinema.
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Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Aug 30, 2019, 09:26:28 PM
https://youtu.be/Ve-dkztGutk

(https://i.imgur.com/bFGO7CK.jpg)
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2019, 07:46:31 AM
Please remember we don't allow or advocate piracy here.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2019, 09:21:30 AM
QuoteThe later production history is interesting, but has been extensively detailed elsewhere. It's Philippe's deeper psychological excavation that really bears fruit, even if his bibliography gets a bit too indiscriminate (the influence of HP Lovecraft seems more relevant to Alien's icky soulmate The Thing). He joins the dots from Bacon to the Greek Furies, who often hounded children who committed crimes against their creators, their parents; the implication being that the xenomorph is a scourge for over-reaching humanity. Scott, of course, has picked up such Promethean themes in his recent sequels, but it was only the primal power he helped uncork in the first instance that has powered him through these mangled new incarnations.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/aug/30/memory-the-origins-of-alien-review-francis-bacon-greek-myth-dan-o-bannon-sci-fi-classic-film

I enjoyed the doco. It was certainly a different take on Alien and refreshing because of it. I like that O'Bannon got much more focus for his involvement.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 02, 2019, 09:31:51 AM
Neat as well that a lot of it is dedicated to outsiders analysing the various subtexts, which isn't something that's really been featured as heavily ion the existing documentaries. From memory I think Alien Evolution did a bit of that, but certainly not to the same extent.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Baron Von Marlon on Sep 05, 2019, 03:39:22 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 02, 2019, 09:21:30 AM
QuoteThe later production history is interesting, but has been extensively detailed elsewhere. It's Philippe's deeper psychological excavation that really bears fruit, even if his bibliography gets a bit too indiscriminate (the influence of HP Lovecraft seems more relevant to Alien's icky soulmate The Thing). He joins the dots from Bacon to the Greek Furies, who often hounded children who committed crimes against their creators, their parents; the implication being that the xenomorph is a scourge for over-reaching humanity. Scott, of course, has picked up such Promethean themes in his recent sequels, but it was only the primal power he helped uncork in the first instance that has powered him through these mangled new incarnations.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/aug/30/memory-the-origins-of-alien-review-francis-bacon-greek-myth-dan-o-bannon-sci-fi-classic-film

I enjoyed the doco. It was certainly a different take on Alien and refreshing because of it. I like that O'Bannon got much more focus for his involvement.

Watched it today and I second the above.
Didn't know O' Bannon and Carpenter had a falling-out so early. A real pity, I think they could've created movie magic together.
Also re-interested in O' Bannon's version of Necronomicon. I read about it a while ago and forgot about it. But his wife brought it up again so now I'm hoping again for a release someday.
And all the other stuff he has written, waiting for the right people to be picked up.
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Post by: Valaquen on Sep 05, 2019, 12:42:23 PM
I really haven't had time to write a review, but I got a screener of this a month ago or so. It was interesting, the best parts for me was seeing the excerpts from Memory itself. Otherwise there wasn't much new. The focus on O'Bannon was absolutely welcome. The score for this was great actually (watched it with headphones). But in trying to do something new it goes off on unwelcome tangents. I had flashbacks to sitting in my literary criticism classes at uni. I paused it two or three times to tidy my house  :-[
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: FenGiddel on Sep 06, 2019, 02:45:38 AM
I do believe that is one of the most original (and heartfelt) ALIEN-related film reviews I have ever set my eyes upon...  ;D
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 06, 2019, 11:54:28 AM
Yeah, while I still far prefer Beast Within overall, I really liked that this had a much more personal feel to it.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: SiL on Sep 06, 2019, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Sep 05, 2019, 12:42:23 PM
I had flashbacks to sitting in my literary criticism classes at uni. I paused it two or three times to tidy my house  :-[
The crescent shape of the derelict means it represents death!

... not the fact it's a dead spaceship on a dead planet with a cargo of deadly organisms, no. It's the crescent shape.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Drukathi on Sep 06, 2019, 03:33:03 PM
Well, IMDB took this film with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Sep 06, 2019, 08:26:40 PM

FYI   The current issue of Rue Morgue #190 has a 3 page article / review of Memory.

https://www.rue-morgue.com/?s=Memory


















Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Sep 11, 2019, 11:27:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gAkmyOa.jpg)

Quote from: io9After premiering at Sundance earlier this year, the doc was picked up by Screen Media and the fan-owned entertainment company Legion M. Those fans helped decided on the film's theatrical poster, which io9 is excited to exclusively debut below.

https://twitter.com/io9/status/1171831295720247296
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Post by: The Old One on Sep 13, 2019, 11:12:06 AM
Nice poster.
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Post by: T Dog on Sep 15, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
Really enjoyed this for the most part. Felt like such a loving tribute to O Bannon/Giger.
Thought it lost it's way a but 2/3 of the way through and went off on a bit of a tangent but overall I'd highly recommend it for Alien fans.
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Post by: The Old One on Sep 15, 2019, 09:15:57 PM
Yes, but that's to be expected.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 25, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
Legion M is running a meet-up in regards to Memory. You get swanky PINs and posters. US only.

https://legionm.com/memory-meetups?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=copypaste&utm_source=urlshortener#join-a-meetup/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=copypaste&utm_source=urlshortener


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Post by: The Old One on Sep 26, 2019, 06:30:31 PM
US only, pity the UK rarely gets anything lol.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 27, 2019, 07:26:13 AM
Eh, the UK's had a fair few awesome exclusives over the years.

We got Aliens Live at the Royal Albert Hall, which I'd much rather than this :P
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 27, 2019, 07:56:18 AM
We did get the early showings of Origins too. I'm happy to have had both to be fair.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:32:15 AM
My copy of this just arrived. About to give it a watch.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Nov 20, 2019, 02:40:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:32:15 AM
My copy of this just arrived. About to give it a watch.
Please report back once viewed. I haven't decided on whether or not to get this. I'm always on the lookout for archive footage from ALIEN. I've heard this borrows behind-the-scenes footage (heavily) from the 3hr 2003 ALIEN documentary.
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Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Nov 20, 2019, 02:40:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:32:15 AM
My copy of this just arrived. About to give it a watch.
Please report back once viewed. I haven't decided on whether or not to get this. I'm always on the lookout for archive footage from ALIEN. I've heard this borrows behind-the-scenes footage (heavily) from the 3hr 2003 ALIEN documentary.

Watched maybe harlf of it last night before I crashed (maybe watching after a fifteen hour day wasn't the best :D ).

There is definitely a lot of archive footage. The most interesting comments so far have come from O'Bannon's wife, but overall so far Charles de Lauzirika's doc is much more comprehensive overall.

Going to watch the rest of this in a bit.
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Post by: Elmazalman on Nov 20, 2019, 07:34:17 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:06:48 PM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Nov 20, 2019, 02:40:32 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:32:15 AM
My copy of this just arrived. About to give it a watch.
Please report back once viewed. I haven't decided on whether or not to get this. I'm always on the lookout for archive footage from ALIEN. I've heard this borrows behind-the-scenes footage (heavily) from the 3hr 2003 ALIEN documentary.

Watched maybe harlf of it last night before I crashed (maybe watching after a fifteen hour day wasn't the best :D ).

There is definitely a lot of archive footage. The most interesting comments so far have come from O'Bannon's wife, but overall so far Charles de Lauzirika's doc is much more comprehensive overall.

Going to watch the rest of this in a bit.
Thanks! I'd keep an eye out for any still images used throughout the documentary. There's a few I haven't seen before from the O'Bannon and Giger collections.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:06:48 PMThe most interesting comments so far have come from O'Bannon's wife, but overall so far Charles de Lauzirika's doc is much more comprehensive overall.

Lauzirika's documentary is a far better examination of the actual making of the movie (as are many of the Alien docs that preceded it).

Memory instead focuses more on analysing its subtext, along with giving some personal insight into O'Bannon and his inspirations when writing it, which made it refreshing.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: SiL on Nov 21, 2019, 09:12:27 PM
A lot of the subtext analysis is really wanky though.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2019, 09:25:33 PM
Some of it was. Some of it made me realise things I'd never thought of before.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: SiL on Nov 21, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
Did you realise that the derelict ship, which is dead and rotting, with its dead crew, and its deadly cargo of deadly alien organisms, symbolised death ... because it's crescent shaped?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Nov 21, 2019, 11:18:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
Did you realise that the derelict ship, which is dead and rotting, with its dead crew, and its deadly cargo of deadly alien organisms, symbolised death ... because it's crescent shaped?
:laugh: I think I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Huggs on Nov 21, 2019, 11:27:45 PM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
Did you realise that the derelict ship, which is dead and rotting, with its dead crew, and its deadly cargo of deadly alien organisms, symbolised death ... because it's crescent shaped?

Things...will never be the same.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2019, 03:30:27 AM
Overall I found the analytical lens of the doc to be very... flimsy. Didn't find much at all of the "Fury" stuff interesting or relevant, and it always caught me off guard when they tried to circle back to it every ten minutes or so. There's room for an analytical Alien doc (and they had an interesting enough thesis for one near the end when they briefly remarked on Ridley's obsession with life/creation) but overall I didn't find any of those elements in this doc to be successfully executed. Ben Mankiewicz was the only talking head on the analytical side of things who I thought had some interesting remarks.

What I did enjoy immensely, however, were the segments focusing on Diane O'Bannon. She had a lot of interesting remarks, and honestly I could have watched a whole hour and a half of just her talking. It was quite nice seeing Cartwright and Skerrit reflecting on the film, as well.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2019, 06:54:56 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 22, 2019, 03:30:27 AM
What I did enjoy immensely, however, were the segments focusing on Diane O'Bannon. She had a lot of interesting remarks, and honestly I could have watched a whole hour and a half of just her talking.

Oh yeah! It was the focus on Diane and Dan and Giger that made Memory for me. I loved hearing more about the specific stories that influenced Dan while working on Alien.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Nov 22, 2019, 09:44:02 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
Did you realise that the derelict ship, which is dead and rotting, with its dead crew, and its deadly cargo of deadly alien organisms, symbolised death ... because it's crescent shaped?

Like I said, some of it was shitty. Some of it I found quite interesting.
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Post by: The Old One on Nov 22, 2019, 10:32:27 AM
I think I'll pick it up soon to see what I think.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: StrangeShape on Nov 23, 2019, 02:57:32 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 21, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2019, 02:06:48 PMThe most interesting comments so far have come from O'Bannon's wife, but overall so far Charles de Lauzirika's doc is much more comprehensive overall.

Lauzirika's documentary is a far better examination of the actual making of the movie (as are many of the Alien docs that preceded it).

Agreed.

When I first heard the announcement about the doc I was surprised because I didnt know what else is there to say other than Lauzirikas exceptional docs. I didnt think anything van top or match it. I was right
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
It's not trying to do that, though.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: StrangeShape on Nov 24, 2019, 03:12:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
It's not trying to do that, though.

True. But still, after Anthology's docs, I dont think anyone can say the story of creating the movies is still incomplete
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Nov 24, 2019, 07:10:59 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 24, 2019, 03:12:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
It's not trying to do that, though.

True. But still, after Anthology's docs, I dont think anyone can say the story of creating the movies is still incomplete
Especially with the extra bits & bobs that were included in the ENHANCEMENT PODS for the four films.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2019, 10:38:20 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Nov 24, 2019, 03:12:02 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
It's not trying to do that, though.

True. But still, after Anthology's docs, I dont think anyone can say the story of creating the movies is still incomplete

That's the thing, there's always other bits of pieces that aren't out there. Just might not be enough for a full length documentary. I think Memory is at its strongest in the first 40 minutes or so, when it looking at Dan and Giger, when it's interviewing Diane or Carmen. The rest of it feels very loosely connected. It's more interesting as an Origin piece, looking at those people coming together to make Alien.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Document...
Post by: The Old One on Nov 24, 2019, 09:02:58 PM
I'm going to buy it soon, but considering the commentary of people here, I'm not hopeful.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 25, 2019, 10:42:58 AM
We recorded a podcast review last night. So probably be up next week.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien – New Alien Document...
Post by: The Old One on Nov 25, 2019, 11:59:26 AM
Excellent, I definitely want your thoughts on the documentary.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 08, 2022, 03:59:03 PM
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Elmazalman on Feb 10, 2022, 10:27:26 AM
No big deal. Nothing revelatory here.

Some nice production stills I've never seen before (two from the filming of Brett's death), but that's about it.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 10, 2022, 04:08:50 PM
Man, there's some crazy shit in those early O'Bannon drafts...

MUTHUR calling Ripley a "little cocksucker" and Parker and Dallas banging each other. :D
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Kradan on Feb 10, 2022, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 10, 2022, 04:08:50 PM
MUTHUR calling Ripley a "little cocksucker" and Parker and Dallas banging each other. :D

Mother : The ship will automatically destruct in T minus five minutes.

Ripley : You... BITCH!

Mother: You little cocksucker !

Ripley:  :o :-X
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Darwinsgirl on Feb 10, 2022, 04:37:11 PM

Maybe Muthur confused her with G.I. Jane...
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 10, 2022, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 10, 2022, 04:08:50 PMMUTHUR calling Ripley a "little cocksucker" and Parker and Dallas banging each other. :D

Tbf the characters were written to be either sex.
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 10, 2022, 06:25:47 PM
Refer to page 35 of JW Rinzler's, The Making of Alien.

Although to be fair, the Parker/Dallas love scene was later written in by Walter Hill not O'Bannon.  New character names and genders were already locked down by then.

Would probably have been quite a controversial scene to put in a movie back in '79.

Also, quite funnily, Ripley was banging Ash.




Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: Kradan on Feb 10, 2022, 07:07:12 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 10, 2022, 06:25:47 PM
Also, quite funnily, Ripley was banging Ash.

Ripley : That's a pretty big risk for a Science Officer. It's, uh, not exactly out of the manual, is it?

Ash : I do take my responsibilities as seriously as you, you know. You do your job and let me do mine, yes?
Title: Re: Memory – The Origins Of Alien - New Alien Documentary On The Way
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 11, 2022, 09:13:03 AM
:laugh: