Latest TvSpot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMPjLy1zCvI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMPjLy1zCvI#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dgdJiw3X5I#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dgdJiw3X5I#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzBM7lPr5A#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzBM7lPr5A#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19BwI6ErsbY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19BwI6ErsbY#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYYSvOWjI2U#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYYSvOWjI2U#ws)
Couple of nice new shots in there.
Very jazze. Very Jazzed.
Does anyone know who that voice narrators name is anyway? I've heard him over the years and i've never been able to put a name to him.
Just saw one of those on English Film4.
Analysis of Engineer/Jockey chair dimensions in:
3..
2..
1..
Janek: Heads UhhhhhhhhhhhhhH!
Oh god. I need to get in touch with my sponsor, quick.
Nice - made some screencaps of the new stuff
Waterfall
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Juggernaut taking off
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Vickers - temple interior details visible
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Engineer - notice what looks like a body behind the chair (what I've said all along :D )
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Prometheus approaching Juggernaut - shockwave from accelaration?
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Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 07:37:37 PM
Prometheus approaching Juggernaut - shockwave from accelaration?
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Yeah, in one of the shots of the bridge it looks like the crew is being throttled against their chairs. Captain Janek goes to ramming speed! 8)
Beautiful shot of the pilot chamber :o
why are the explosions of the juggernaut so different?
i mean relase 3 trailers at the same time and still old stuff and partially new stuff??
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 01, 2012, 07:42:16 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 07:37:37 PM
Prometheus approaching Juggernaut - shockwave from accelaration?
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Yeah, in one of the shots of the bridge it looks like the crew is being throttled against their chairs. Captain Janek goes to ramming speed! 8)
Yes! :)
The explosions changing are probably due to improved effects work as the trailers/tv-spots have been released.
...and before someone asks me 'what body?' or tells me that 'you are just seeing things'... ;)
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I fear that's poor David... :'(
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
I fear that's poor David... :'(
Well, remember Eva, we have Ford and her
Spoiler
...Bodyguard/security/red shirt type guy with the rifle that have an encounter with the big guy as we saw in one of the trailers. It could be him! :D
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 01, 2012, 07:44:36 PM
why are the explosions of the juggernaut so different?
i mean relase 3 trailers at the same time and still old stuff and partially new stuff??
Stuff like that gets mixed up in the shuffle They don't really worry about keeping it specific, people in the audience at a Theatre, or just seeing it in a blink on TV aren't going to notice differing explosions and things between various trailers. :)
Thats no engineer thats Holloway mutated the bald guy is too small to be a jockey look at him.
i noticed it... bam, bitches!!!1
shaw is such a guuurl, just lets herselƒ being impregnated by some $*lmg*$†
That space jockey looks ridiculous, he's far too small for that chair, that must be a mutated human.
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
Quote from: Infected on May 01, 2012, 07:56:10 PM
Thats no engineer thats Holloway mutated the bald guy is too small to be a jockey look at him.
That figure is huge when compared to that human that is laying over there dead/injured/unconscious.
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
Yep! Some of us are just
assholes for mentioning things like that though. :)
"the adventure begins"
i lol'd
0:26 seconds into the third tv spot there is a shot of a jockey or mutated human standing over some kind of geyser or vent.
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
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Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
guuurl, cos the curfaces look not so flat in ALIEN, they have more shapes ,shadows etc.
the platform of prometheus looks like it was made with sketchUp and added texture....
Quotei know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN
They've specifically answered that already, this time they wanted something more mechanical, practical and more realistic also maybe than the first ship.
The Derelict is perfect for its role in
Alien. But the Juggernaut has other roles - we will see it flying, it is a set for the action for much more time, etc. - it is no longer a static scenery with a dead alien in it. And speaking of the Engineer, as I wrote elsewhere, what works with a mummified antic body doesn't really work with beings supposed to interract in some way with humans. There are many ways to understand the apparent differences of size, internally (evolution of the species, differences between individuals, young and old etc., function of the suit...) and externally (necessity to make the Engineer smaller for the necessities of action) - both approaches can be joined by the way. We need to wait for the release to discuss that again, but we can also remember, before, that we only saw the suit in
Alien.
It's strange that so many seem to be in denial about
Prometheus. In
Alien, we saw the Engineer less than one minute ! Now we're going to learn more about this species, maybe it won't please all of us, but you cannot in the same time say "I want to know more" and "This is getting ridiculous". By the way, let's remember that for the general public this matter of size changes nothing...
nice! thanks for posting :)
so much new ~footage and a some old footage extended by a second or 2!!!
the music in the 3rd one is EPIC, i hate that word, but it's fitting
and they keep using the new audio for 'there won't be any home to go back to', and it bothers me so much idek. lol
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i used (and lold) the picture from the new tv spot and from the first featurette....
dafuq....3(?) days in between
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
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Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
i completely agree with you here, while i know in the large scope of things it doesnt matter too much as far as how good a film prometheus will be, but it does annoy me that the original impression of the jockey/alien race has been lost. the Jockey's size and appearance was more convincing and left a more alien feel, i think this is the cost of no Giger in some ways.
inventing the 'suit' idea also took away from its mysteriousness and 'alien' feel. i wont speak for others but when i saw the jockey in ALIEN i had the impression it was purely 'creature' rather than something that 'suits up'. it also seemed to give me an impression that its movement wasnt that speedy and wasn't much of a creature of agility (think of a creature like an elephant)
in prometheus, we have a humanoid alien that wears a suit and is more human size. and moves just like a human (as seen by the running jockeys.)
i am not flaming the film, im just rightfully expressing my views on where the film has taken the jockey.
i am very excited for prometheus and i feel im going to like the film quite a lot - independently from the alien franchise. i love the new story in and of itself.
however, attaching it to the alien series, particularly alien, i dont think it helps alien so far, i feel it has taken away from the original.
as for the lighting, i never noticed this difference until you spotted it, well spotted. i agree it looks more cgi, iv been thinking about it for a good few minutes before writing this as to why it looks so different. as you said, the sets are real, one notable difference is the lighting, in ALIEN they used a very bright light to highlight the chair which ended up giving it much deeper shadows with little ot no detail. in prometheus, the lighting is very balance, all shadows contain detail and the image perhaps looks more flat.
im pretty sure i read that Part of the chair was always going to be 'cgi' so perhaps in most chair shots that contain cgi, alot more cgi was done to the image.
also, i can respect trying new things, and the film potentially having a reason or answer for this, but i also think the more 'mechanical' look took away the alien film more. makes everything feel more 'engineered' and 'hand made' or 'built' sigh, somethings about the original ship and jockey in alien were perfect for the purpose.
Quote from: Ulfer on May 01, 2012, 09:11:46 PM
Quotei know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN
They've specifically answered that already, this time they wanted something more mechanical, practical and more realistic also maybe than the first ship.
The Derelict is perfect for its role in Alien. But the Juggernaut has other roles - we will see it flying, it is a set for the action for much more time, etc. - it is no longer a static scenery with a dead alien in it. And speaking of the Engineer, as I wrote elsewhere, what works with a mummified antic body doesn't really work with beings supposed to interract in some way with humans. There are many ways to understand the apparent differences of size, internally (evolution of the species, differences between individuals, young and old etc., function of the suit...) and externally (necessity to make the Engineer smaller for the necessities of action) - both approaches can be joined by the way. We need to wait for the release to discuss that again, but we can also remember, before, that we only saw the suit in Alien.
It's strange that so many seem to be in denial about Prometheus. In Alien, we saw the Engineer less than one minute ! Now we're going to learn more about this species, maybe it won't please all of us, but you cannot in the same time say "I want to know more" and "This is getting ridiculous". By the way, let's remember that for the general public this matter of size changes nothing...
i didn't mean the design (most people probably wont notice the differences anyway), i mean the sets themselves look cgi. The chair in the pics from ALIEN above look obviously real but the prometheus one looks like cgi to me, same in the trailers and tv spots, the sets don't look as real as the ALIEN sets. I know that French mag said that Weta did the SJ chair rising from the ground, i just wonder if its all cgi in some of those scenes.
Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on May 01, 2012, 09:20:11 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
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Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
i completely agree with you here, while i know in the large scope of things it doesnt matter too much as far as how good a film prometheus will be, but it does annoy me that the original impression of the jockey/alien race has been lost. the Jockey's size and appearance was more convincing and left a more alien feel, i think this is the cost of no Giger in some ways.
inventing the 'suit' idea also took away from its mysteriousness and 'alien' feel. i wont speak for others but when i saw the jockey in ALIEN i had the impression it was purely 'creature' rather than something that 'suits up'. it also seemed to give me an impression that its movement wasnt that speedy and wasn't much of a creature of agility (think of a creature like an elephant)
in prometheus, we have a humanoid alien that wears a suit and is more human size. and moves just like a human (as seen by the running jockeys.)
i am not flaming the film, im just rightfully expressing my views on where the film has taken the jockey.
i am very excited for prometheus and i feel im going to like the film quite a lot - independently from the alien franchise. i love the new story in and of itself.
however, attaching it to the alien series, particularly alien, i dont think it helps alien so far, i feel it has taken away from the original.
as for the lighting, i never noticed this difference until you spotted it, well spotted. i agree it looks more cgi, iv been thinking about it for a good few minutes before writing this as to why it looks so different. as you said, the sets are real, one notable difference is the lighting, in ALIEN they used a very bright light to highlight the chair which ended up giving it much deeper shadows with little ot no detail. in prometheus, the lighting is very balance, all shadows contain detail and the image perhaps looks more flat.
im pretty sure i read that Part of the chair was always going to be 'cgi' so perhaps in most chair shots that contain cgi, alot more cgi was done to the image.
i mentioned the lighing, did yoü mean me or did someone else say it too???
The thing about the suit is, Ridley Scott has been banging on about it being a suit for years and years. He's had that in mind a long time.
I don't mind slight changes for the sake of active functionality. The original derelict set and jockey chair did not need to function. This one does. Happens all the time.
Quote from: DendaReloaded on May 01, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on May 01, 2012, 09:20:11 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
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Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
i completely agree with you here, while i know in the large scope of things it doesnt matter too much as far as how good a film prometheus will be, but it does annoy me that the original impression of the jockey/alien race has been lost. the Jockey's size and appearance was more convincing and left a more alien feel, i think this is the cost of no Giger in some ways.
inventing the 'suit' idea also took away from its mysteriousness and 'alien' feel. i wont speak for others but when i saw the jockey in ALIEN i had the impression it was purely 'creature' rather than something that 'suits up'. it also seemed to give me an impression that its movement wasnt that speedy and wasn't much of a creature of agility (think of a creature like an elephant)
in prometheus, we have a humanoid alien that wears a suit and is more human size. and moves just like a human (as seen by the running jockeys.)
i am not flaming the film, im just rightfully expressing my views on where the film has taken the jockey.
i am very excited for prometheus and i feel im going to like the film quite a lot - independently from the alien franchise. i love the new story in and of itself.
however, attaching it to the alien series, particularly alien, i dont think it helps alien so far, i feel it has taken away from the original.
as for the lighting, i never noticed this difference until you spotted it, well spotted. i agree it looks more cgi, iv been thinking about it for a good few minutes before writing this as to why it looks so different. as you said, the sets are real, one notable difference is the lighting, in ALIEN they used a very bright light to highlight the chair which ended up giving it much deeper shadows with little ot no detail. in prometheus, the lighting is very balance, all shadows contain detail and the image perhaps looks more flat.
im pretty sure i read that Part of the chair was always going to be 'cgi' so perhaps in most chair shots that contain cgi, alot more cgi was done to the image.
i mentioned the lighing, did yoü mean me or did someone else say it too???
you can tell by looking at who i quoted - it was mastas.
also, i think some of those scenes are mostly cgi, considering the 'walking cgi jockey' is in the scene.
Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on May 01, 2012, 09:20:11 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/SZirSdNmPII/AAAAAAAAAEo/C3xW7_iLs50/s1600/006.jpg
Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
i completely agree with you here, while i know in the large scope of things it doesnt matter too much as far as how good a film prometheus will be, but it does annoy me that the original impression of the jockey/alien race has been lost. the Jockey's size and appearance was more convincing and left a more alien feel, i think this is the cost of no Giger in some ways.
inventing the 'suit' idea also took away from its mysteriousness and 'alien' feel. i wont speak for others but when i saw the jockey in ALIEN i had the impression it was purely 'creature' rather than something that 'suits up'. it also seemed to give me an impression that its movement wasnt that speedy and wasn't much of a creature of agility (think of a creature like an elephant)
in prometheus, we have a humanoid alien that wears a suit and is more human size. and moves just like a human (as seen by the running jockeys.)
i am not flaming the film, im just rightfully expressing my views on where the film has taken the jockey.
i am very excited for prometheus and i feel im going to like the film quite a lot - independently from the alien franchise. i love the new story in and of itself.
however, attaching it to the alien series, particularly alien, i dont think it helps alien so far, i feel it has taken away from the original.
as for the lighting, i never noticed this difference until you spotted it, well spotted. i agree it looks more cgi, iv been thinking about it for a good few minutes before writing this as to why it looks so different. as you said, the sets are real, one notable difference is the lighting, in ALIEN they used a very bright light to highlight the chair which ended up giving it much deeper shadows with little ot no detail. in prometheus, the lighting is very balance, all shadows contain detail and the image perhaps looks more flat.
im pretty sure i read that Part of the chair was always going to be 'cgi' so perhaps in most chair shots that contain cgi, alot more cgi was done to the image.
also, i can respect trying new things, and the film potentially having a reason or answer for this, but i also think the more 'mechanical' look took away the alien film more. makes everything feel more 'engineered' and 'hand made' or 'built' sigh, somethings about the original ship and jockey in alien were perfect for the purpose.
WOW i agree with EVERYTHING you just said and you have the same problems i do, especialy towards the space jockey whose scene in ALIEN has been tarnished with this 'its a suit' crap and ridiculous humanoid jockeys.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
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http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8sv9gYsuLwc/SZirSdNmPII/AAAAAAAAAEo/C3xW7_iLs50/s1600/006.jpg
Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
I agree, also the design seems different now that I look at it, the base has completely been redesigned!
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
Alien - they used kids in suits to make the jockey set and the jockey appear larger than it was in the wide shots. But your point is sound - the jockey in Alien was bigger than the engineer/jockey in Prometheus - but we knew that already. That's
not my point.
If people wanna hate this aspect, feel free to do so - I don't care :)
My point is that the engineer in Prometheus approaching the chair is taller than the average human (approx 9ft).
I made this using a behind the scenes pic to visualize it:
(you can use a still of David in the room and make a comparison that arrives at the exact same conclusion)
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The crewmember and the actor playing the engineer are aligned almost at the same position
relatively to the chair, meaning standing to the right of the chair area, the engineer perhaps some 3 ft closer to the foreground. Even when you account for the difference in overall perspective and angle (making the engineer appear a bit taller and accounting for the difference in cryotube lenght), that's a pretty significant height difference. I'll buy that the engineer is some 9ft tall in that shot.
@OpenMav - you are absolutely correct - it could also be Ford or some redshirt. I never stated it as fact that it was David (nor will I). Btw, re-watch that scene and notice again how tall the approaching engineer is ;)
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Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
Do people just choose to ignore the tall actors they hired to play the engineer, specifically for making them - you know, tall looking, including one of them tweeting that it was him in the pic of the engineer sitting in the chair? :D
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Come on give it a rest will you, look at the size of the space jockey in ALIEN, the jockey is too small in Prometheus, even 8 foot actors would be too small!.
Also why do all the space jockey sets look so cgi in Prometheus wwhen compared to ALIEN?, i know they did build the sets but they look bad compared to ALIEN.
i completely agree with you here, while i know in the large scope of things it doesnt matter too much as far as how good a film prometheus will be, but it does annoy me that the original impression of the jockey/alien race has been lost. the Jockey's size and appearance was more convincing and left a more alien feel, i think this is the cost of no Giger in some ways.
inventing the 'suit' idea also took away from its mysteriousness and 'alien' feel. i wont speak for others but when i saw the jockey in ALIEN i had the impression it was purely 'creature' rather than something that 'suits up'. it also seemed to give me an impression that its movement wasnt that speedy and wasn't much of a creature of agility (think of a creature like an elephant)
in prometheus, we have a humanoid alien that wears a suit and is more human size. and moves just like a human (as seen by the running jockeys.)
i am not flaming the film, im just rightfully expressing my views on where the film has taken the jockey.
i am very excited for prometheus and i feel im going to like the film quite a lot - independently from the alien franchise. i love the new story in and of itself.
however, attaching it to the alien series, particularly alien, i dont think it helps alien so far, i feel it has taken away from the original.
as for the lighting, i never noticed this difference until you spotted it, well spotted. i agree it looks more cgi, iv been thinking about it for a good few minutes before writing this as to why it looks so different. as you said, the sets are real, one notable difference is the lighting, in ALIEN they used a very bright light to highlight the chair which ended up giving it much deeper shadows with little ot no detail. in prometheus, the lighting is very balance, all shadows contain detail and the image perhaps looks more flat.
im pretty sure i read that Part of the chair was always going to be 'cgi' so perhaps in most chair shots that contain cgi, alot more cgi was done to the image.
i mentioned the lighing, did yoü mean me or did someone else say it too???
you can tell by looking at who i quoted - it was mastas.
also, i think some of those scenes are mostly cgi, considering the 'walking cgi jockey' is in the scene.
but he didn't say anything about the lighting... doesn't matter <3 <3 <3
One more point : it's the use of "ridiculous" that I find inappropriate. I would understand if you used "disappointing", "frustrating", but I frankly don't see how it could be "ridiculous", not even from a fan point of view... :-\
Nothing will impede us to write fan fictions, to draw alternative Engineers, to remake in our head the film as we would have liked it... ;)
The jockey is too small: dont watch the film then.
Its too human: dont watch the film then
Its a crappy man in a suit: dont watch the film then.
Whatever happened to keeping an open mind. Also be mindful of the fact this film wont be all things to all men. Some of you WILL, be left dissapointed. However a lot of people will love it !! Myself i dont care if its too small or whatever as long as the story is told well is what matters. However some or many of us fans will need to be aware it may not be the story we all hoped for.
I know they used kids for perspective Eva but they weren't supposed to be kids in the film!. Yes the 'blue man' jockey is bigger than the humans but he's still way too small compared to the jockey in ALIEN and he looks ridiculous when he's stood close to the chair, it looks like a child next to an adults chair.
Quote from: Ulfer on May 01, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
One more point : it's the use of "ridiculous" that I find inappropriate. I would understand if you used "disappointing", "frustrating", but I frankly don't see how it could be "ridiculous", not even from a fan point of view... :-\
Because it does look ridiculous when the jockey is next to the chair, the scene where he's sat in the chair also looks ridiculous compared to ALIEN, it looks tiny with its little short arms, its like a child space jockey.
Well said Rusti!
Here's the piece that most people seem to missing in terms of the Jockey's size. If that suit grows out of the chair, then my bet is that it also increases the size of the Jockey.
Judging this film based off out of context millisecond clips of film is ludicrous...and yet, people continue to do so. I've said this over and over and over.
someone should seriously cut together all the footage from trailers, tv spots and featurettes into a mini movie. ;D
ik the sound would be a mess, but still :o
Quoteits like a child space jockey.
But yes, in absolute, it could be a young Engineer...
And no, being an alien "child" or a "baby" is not ridiculous. See the chestburster for instance. ;D
Even though in the other stills posted here, it looks like it has the good size, or a bit smaller than the one from Alien considered when we can see the actors (not the children).
QuoteIf that suit grows out of the chair, then my bet is that it also increases the size of the Jockey.
Indeed, of course.
QuoteJudging this film based off out of context millisecond clips of film is ludicrous...and yet, people continue to do so. I've said this over and over and over.
Yes. And I would add that I understand the great fans and that I reasonably understand their concerns, but they will also have to judge the film disregarding the aspect "I wanted the SJ greater" but seeing if what will be on the screen works or not, to judge the film for itself and not in relation to
Alien. Overall if they want to review it more objectively ;) But of course in what regards the individual wishes, it's different. ;)
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 01, 2012, 09:45:40 PM
The jockey is too small: dont watch the film then.
Its too human: dont watch the film then
Its a crappy man in a suit: dont watch the film then.
Whatever happened to keeping an open mind. Also be mindful of the fact this film wont be all things to all men. Some of you WILL, be left dissapointed. However a lot of people will love it !! Myself i dont care if its too small or whatever as long as the story is told well is what matters. However some or many of us fans will need to be aware it may not be the story we all hoped for.
No ones saying they don't want to watch it though are they. This is a forum and we discuss what we see on here, good and bad, would you rather we all agreed with each other and we all held hands and talked about how great the world is?.
Quote from: Ulfer on May 01, 2012, 09:53:36 PM
Quoteits like a child space jockey.
But yes, in absolute, it could be a young Engineer...
And no, being an alien "child" or a "baby" is not ridiculous. See the chestburster for instance. ;D
Even though in the other stills posted here, it looks like it has the good size, or a bit smaller than the one from Alien considered when we can see the actors (not the children).
QuoteIf that suit grows out of the chair, then my bet is that it also increases the size of the Jockey.
Indeed, of course.
Ulfer please i'm not trying to be argumentative or something but look at the ALIEN pics i posted, the space jockeys ARM is bigger than the humans, the jockey itself would be well over 12 feet tall, does the jockey in Prometheus look anywhere close to 12 feet tall in any of the screens or vids we have seen?
im not sure what is more funny, people who hate on prometheus for their reasons, people who Notice the discrepancies between prometheus and alien or fans of prometheus getting agitated because not everyone accepts the discrepancies as much as they do.
its like different religions, when one religion expresses their belief (e.g. ALIEN fans) it threatens the belief of prometheus fans - belief in the film being a good loose alien prequel - that is, at least continuity speaking.
ones belief making another feel insecure about their own is ... not suggesting a secure one.
@Mateses1
(Sorry i dont use quotes much my mobile isnt good at using those functions!)
Im not against good solid discussion, what bugs me is when people start heavily critisising a few short clips and not seeing through to the bigger movie. I feel people are setting themselves to be dissapointed right from the word go. I just feel perhaps these people are better off saving their cash.
I'm not sure, but in the pics you posted Mastes1, it seems to me (I may be mistaken) that it's again the children that we see on set... When we see the actors, the Jockey appears at its true size, which is a bit larger maybe than the Engineer we see in the pics from Prometheus, but that's hard to say...
Quotenot everyone accepts the discrepancies as much as they do.
There would be a discrepancy if it were the same ship, the same individual Engineer, the same planet... That's not the case, as we were some to say before it was officially revealed. I remember well, several weeks ago, that I was forced to be convoluted in my argumentation so as not to be taken as offensive towards those who believed hardly that it was "the Jockey", the Derelict, and LV-426. Now the debate has changed, but we can't say much before the release, and it will maybe be a matter of debate after the release, I don't know... But once you consider the various reasons that have been evoked in other topics and the few I've given, the matter of the size of the Engineer seems no longer to be a discrepancy. But on the other levels, there is not really an objective answer, but I find that the notion of practicity in the context of Prometheus (in terms of scenario, shooting, etc.) is interesting to explain why the Jockey is not as massive as some would want it to be (at least in these scenes).
wether its the children or the adults, the engineer/jockey in alien is still significantly bigger, i mean significantly. when i say signifcantly, i mean like comparing the size of a 17inch macbook pro screen, to a 37 inch hdtv screen. the way its being talked about here is like ' a few feet' as if its the difference between a 13 inch laptop and a 17 inch one. i really don't think so. which ever way we cut it, it doesnt work, suited jockey or not. the jockey in the trailers still looks pudgey and small compared to the fully framed jockey in alien.
lets just also be clear on something, when everyone watched ALIEN and saw the jockey, there was absolutely no impression of a humanoid that suits up, there wasnt any impression like that at all, it looked almost like skeletal remains. can anyone come here and say they guessed or suspected a suit even? i mean before we ever heard of prometheus.
now, if we had an xeno included in Prometheus, and it happened to pop off its penile looking head and underneath it turned out to a humanoid inside, would you feel the same way about the original xeno? would it still seem like an alien? of course not.
Giger knew what he was doing, thats why they hired him.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 09:47:49 PM
I know they used kids for perspective Eva but they weren't supposed to be kids in the film!. Yes the 'blue man' jockey is bigger than the humans but he's still way too small compared to the jockey in ALIEN and he looks ridiculous when he's stood close to the chair, it looks like a child next to an adults chair.
There's inconsistency within Alien itself with regards to how big the jockey is supposed to be. Should we judge the size from a pic with the kids approaching or from a pic with the real actors close to the body? Giger himself said around 27ft, which is complete bullocks. 27ft is roughly a 3 floor building... But again - that
wasn't the point I was discussing to start with.
People just have to accept that the jockeys are smaller in Prometheus for whatever reason. Besides, imagine how difficult it would be for Ridley to frame visuals in cinemascope with a human and an engineer in the same shot, if the engineer was 18-27ft tall.
That would look ridiculous. He wouldn't even fit into the Prometheus set.
I think the inability of the Space Jockey to maneuver human corridors is precisely the reason why the size was reduced.
Quote from: Ulfer on May 01, 2012, 10:11:34 PM
I'm not sure, but in the pics you posted Mastes1, it seems to me (I may be mistaken) that it's again the children that we see on set... When we see the actors, the Jockey appears at its true size, which is a bit larger maybe than the Engineer we see in the pics from Prometheus, but that's hard to say...
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I don't get why people are posting about them using kids for perspective, i mean yes they did but they weren't supposed to be kids in the actual film!, they were supposed to be adults. Also the jockey still looks huge when we see Dallas checking it out, the Prometheus jockey just looks like a tall man, the sheer bulk of the ALIEN jockey isn't there.
All valid points as to why the size of the jockey has been changed but that doesn't make it right, that sounds like something Ed Wood would do in one of his 'films'. Its like doing a new Terminator film and they lose the Terminator puppet but find a Robocop suit in the back and just use that instead!, yes an extreme example but you can't just half the size of the jockey to make it easier to film!.
Quotelets just also be clear on something, when everyone watched ALIEN and saw the jockey, there was absolutely no impression of a humanoid that suits up, there wasnt any impression like that at all, it looked almost like skeletal remains.
"Everyone"... Hum... "Almost like"... Yes, it's rather like that.
I think that was impressed most was the alienness of this scene. What I understand most is the criticism that the Engineers have lost that alienness by being so humanoid, etc., even if I don't agree (notably because I think being closer to humans physically speaking can be more terrifying [uncanny valley, remember that the 2nd villain in Alien was an android !] and that the deal with the Engineer is that what they can do is more horrifying that their appearance [like us, for instance]).
I would say that the SJ is humanoid-like in Alien, in fact, except we don't see the whole body. Concerning the skeletal remains, I was not shocked in the slightest when I learned what we saw was mainly a suit. Considering the fact that we saw the SJ in a close way 30 seconds in
Alien, that the team never did examine it properly (given the circumstances), and that it was so "alien", it is not counter-intuitive : we knew nothing about it.
The true question is the alienness of this particular alien, if I dare say, at the end. And to me, what imports is that when the Engineer is in his suit,
he still looks as alien as we saw it in Alien (minus the fact it is not mummified). But I find him also alien without the whole apparatus, as I've already said. The concepts arts for the SJ and the Xeno from Alien were sometimes more "alien" than what resulted, which is humanoid-like and far more superior to these concept arts. Conversely, I found some depictions of the Jockey (in BD or in fan art) that followed the "massive alien with trunk" idea, unconvincing if placed in the context of a movie like
Prometheus...
Quote from: Esoteric_Voyage on May 01, 2012, 10:17:36 PM
wether its the children or the adults, the engineer/jockey in alien is still significantly bigger, i mean significantly. when i say signifcantly, i mean like comparing the size of a 17inch macbook pro screen, to a 37 inch hdtv screen. the way its being talked about here is like ' a few feet' as if its the difference between a 13 inch laptop and a 17 inch one. i really don't think so. which ever way we cut it, it doesnt work, suited jockey or not. the jockey in the trailers still looks pudgey and small compared to the fully framed jockey in alien.
lets just also be clear on something, when everyone watched ALIEN and saw the jockey, there was absolutely no impression of a humanoid that suits up, there wasnt any impression like that at all, it looked almost like skeletal remains. can anyone come here and say they guessed or suspected a suit even? i mean before we ever heard of prometheus.
now, if we had an xeno included in Prometheus, and it happened to pop off its penile looking head and underneath it turned out to a humanoid inside, would you feel the same way about the original xeno? would it still seem like an alien? of course not.
Giger knew what he was doing, thats why they hired him.
Yeah i have said the same myself, the jockey in alien was a mummified skeleton with bones, there was nothing to suggest it was a suit.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
I don't get why people are posting about them using kids for perspective, i mean yes they did but they weren't supposed to be kids in the actual film!, they were supposed to be adults. Also the jockey still looks huge when we see Dallas checking it out, the Prometheus jockey just looks like a tall man, the sheer bulk of the ALIEN jockey isn't there.
The point is (I'm repeating myself now) that it essentially screws up the consistency of the jockeys size within the same scene in the film. We
don't have a problem with that - not at all. It just underlines that Ridley & co never established a definitive size for the jockey, judging by the visuals.
Kids
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Actors
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That's a distinctive size difference when you've seen it +10 times,
but nobody minds. The trick works fine - the jockey is still huge. And that'll be the last I'll say about this... :)
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
I don't get why people are posting about them using kids for perspective, i mean yes they did but they weren't supposed to be kids in the actual film!, they were supposed to be adults. Also the jockey still looks huge when we see Dallas checking it out, the Prometheus jockey just looks like a tall man, the sheer bulk of the ALIEN jockey isn't there.
The point is (I'm repeating myself now) that it essentially screws up the consistency of the jockeys size within the same scene in the film. We don't have a problem with that - not at all. It just underlines that Ridley & co never established a definitive size for the jockey, judging by the visuals.
Kids
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-in-ridley-scotts-alien.jpg
Actors
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111208192216/avp/images/a/a9/Space-jockey-alien-2_1199468838_640w.jpg
That's a distinctive size difference when you've seen it +10 times, but nobody minds. The trick works fine - the jockey is still huge. And that'll be the last I'll say about this... :)
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Okay.....Let's say this then....
THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DISCREPANCIES.
So, what does that mean? Do we know that much about Jockey culture to indeed judge whether or not one is too short? I'd say like most species, they vary in size and shape, even if they're giants of men.
Because there are significant differences...does that ruin the film? What exactly is the damage that is done?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 01, 2012, 10:44:49 PM
Okay.....Let's say this then....
THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DISCREPANCIES.
So, what does that mean? Do we know that much about Jockey culture to indeed judge whether or not one is too short? I'd say like most species, they vary in size and shape, even if they're giants of men.
Because there are significant differences...does that ruin the film? What exactly is the damage that is done?
Well if it doesn't bother you then fine but we are not all alike and thats a good thing, I'm a huge fan and it does bother me, we are not talking about tiny discrepancies here.
But WHY?
WHY does it bother you? Why should it look EXACTLY like the other dead space jockey in a completely separate ship on a completely separate planet?
I try to understand why there would be discrepancies here, but I don't. Different planet, different ship, different individual, maybe different epoch (we don't really know, but as I like the idea that the Derelict in
Alien has landed a very long time ago)...
It is
Prometheus that gives infos about the Engineers, that shows them in action, etc. As for the canonical source about Engineers,
Prometheus will domine, no doubt, and all the more since we didn't know nothing about the SJ in
Alien except what we could see and sometimes deduce ! I'm "sorry" to say it, but the SJ, however perfectly-well-made (artistically) for Alien, was nothing but a secondary thing then. Ridley has decided to delve into that secondary element and to flesh it, which implies choices (I wrote about that in another topic) that can displease some, for the necessities of scenario and action.
But, by the way, even if we don't take that aspect into account, there is still the fact that
QuoteDo we know that much about Jockey culture to indeed judge whether or not one is too short ?
as wrote ThisBethesdaSea is a valid question. It's natural to extrapolate characteristics about the only individual of a species that we know, but it doesn't mean the next being of that species won't have differences, which can be great and various, if it is a human-like species in terms of diversity.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 01, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
I don't get why people are posting about them using kids for perspective, i mean yes they did but they weren't supposed to be kids in the actual film!, they were supposed to be adults. Also the jockey still looks huge when we see Dallas checking it out, the Prometheus jockey just looks like a tall man, the sheer bulk of the ALIEN jockey isn't there.
The point is (I'm repeating myself now) that it essentially screws up the consistency of the jockeys size within the same scene in the film. We don't have a problem with that - not at all. It just underlines that Ridley & co never established a definitive size for the jockey, judging by the visuals.
Kids
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/space-jockey-in-ridley-scotts-alien.jpg
Actors
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111208192216/avp/images/a/a9/Space-jockey-alien-2_1199468838_640w.jpg
That's a distinctive size difference when you've seen it +10 times, but nobody minds. The trick works fine - the jockey is still huge. And that'll be the last I'll say about this... :)
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CASE CLOSED!.
in this photo, this really emphasis the case doesnt it? the head of the jockey (from the elongated view) looks near the size of gigers torso. and the jockey's arm doesnt look far off from being the same length as a human its self.
all the practical reasons for the sake of the film working, to make the jockey smaller, are understandable. i accept the reasons to some extent for changes, not entirely though, many instances in films, cinematography helped hide things or change perception, e.g. brad pitt is shorter than edward norton in real life, by a couple inches at least, but in the film brad pit always appears the same height or taller. i dont think so much of the original jockey's impressions shoudlve been sacrificed. if James cameron could pull off a queen alien that is bigger than the jockey with puppets, if the alien franchise could pull off aliens that didn't talk, (and there is always the alternative to the creatures having their own language.. subtitles..) then i dont believe the sacrifices would have to be this severe.
the very reasons to make prometheus a practical film to make, are the same ones that at least in my mind, destroy to some degree, the original alien feel and impression from the original. a shame.. but not a reason to stop prometheus being a good film. and will glady make it clear again - i look forward to prometheus a lot, and confident i will like it. i already feel i will buy it on home video straight away.. but because its already established as a loose connected prequel to alien, it inevitably isn't an independent title, and has to be compared and considered with the original. when we start doing that, thats where prometheus legs that it stands on, feel Brittle already. and we haven't even seen it yet, so it could be explain and be a bit better, or it could get even worse.
its annoyingly clear that people reach very very desperately out some 'work around' excuses for these differences, i mean if were going to think up some work around ideas (which im definitely not against) lets atleast think of some good ones that are believable. so many things in life are possible, but reaching at what is possible is silly when were trying to establish sense/logic/and reasoning.
the excuse that its a different ship, and different jockey is just pure Reaching in my eyes. take a look at that chair, does that look like something that is built in various sizes? come on..
are we able to reach at the excuse that some humans are apparently 20 foot tall in prometheus when comparing their size to the jockey in prometheus?
while talking about this i'v also began to speculate that maybe even the 'juggernaught' ship its self is not the same size as the one in alien.
I kind of get the idea that Jockey suit is one size fits all. It can stretch to any size. So maybe the everyday Jockey is only a meter taller than the average human. Meaning the thing inside the suit in alien maybe be something else. That's the nice things about suit; you never know what's inside till you unzip it. :)
Any thoughts on what Shaw screams at the end of the 3rd TV spot? Sounds like 'die' to me, but not sure. Either way a pretty intense moment right there.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 01, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
But WHY?
WHY does it bother you? Why should it look EXACTLY like the other dead space jockey in a completely separate ship on a completely separate planet?
Why? Because Ridley Scott has waited 30 years to tell the story about 'who was the guy in the chair from ALIEN' and now suddenly that character has halved in size!
I totally agree with Mastes1. Stevie Wonder could see that the Space Jockey from ALIEN is definitely NOT the suited-up Engineer from Prometheus:
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It must be something we havent seen yet.
This is the only saving grace for ALIEN Space Jockey fans. There must be something very large and unpleasant that Ridley Scott is keeping under wraps for the 'final 8 minutes' that ties Prometheus to ALIEN.
The snippets of information shown so far seem to suggest that the Disney elephant face mask and ribs 'grow' around the chair occupant so quite frankly it could be anything (as long as it has very long arms and a huge head).
I am praying that it has something to do with this:
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It does sound like "die" but who knows, really.
The previous scream we heard was Ripley's dubbed in from the climax of Alien, rather nicely. I expect the audio in the TV spot is the film audio of Rapace. And I think it's clear any number of lines, including many of Idris Elba's and Shaw saying "if we don't stop it..." are using several different takes in the promotional material. Not altered.
QuoteWhy? Because Ridley Scott has waited 30 years to tell the story about 'who was the guy in the chair from ALIEN' and now suddenly that character has halved in size!
But it is
not the same character, apparently... :o ::) ???
In Scott's declaration, he begins to say "who is it ?" but it seems to me that it's in a general sense ; a few sentences latter he already uses "they", which means the Engineers, not the individual we saw in
Alien.
Furthemore, before speaking of discrepancies : we've never seen in
Alien the un-suited Jockey, so....... ::)
By the way, I've long noticed all his precautions towards his fans (not a really direct prequel, no titular Aliens directly involved) were for nothing. I take this as a jurisprudence for directors/creators of works of art : eventually, it complicates the situation to try to warns fans that it won't be what they thought it would be... :-\
Do we have that little faith in Ridley Scott to think "he messed up the scale" ? Do we think he is that absent minded? Don't you think he went back to some of the original plans of the OT Space Jockey for scale? Isn't it possible that Scott knows what he's doing, and that maybe, just maybe ;) in the next minutes of the milliseconds of scenes that we've scene, all will right itself?
My suspicion is pretty simple - an Engineer/jockey of the original size would be perhaps unfeasible to stand and move around on camera in a convincing way, using an assortment of practical effects in addition to CGI.
Therefore, the Engineer is somewhat smaller out of the chair. But in the chair, as the flight suit grows around it, it becomes much, much larger, because the flight carapace is massive and engulfs the pilot.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 01, 2012, 11:21:59 PM
Do we have that little faith in Ridley Scott to think "he messed up the scale" ? Do we think he is that absent minded? Don't you think he went back to some of the original plans of the OT Space Jockey for scale? Isn't it possible that Scott knows what he's doing, and that maybe, just maybe ;) in the next minutes of the milliseconds of scenes that we've scene, all will right itself?
entirely possible, as i said in my earlier post, it could get better, or worse.
The Juggernaut itself appears to have a very biomechanical design to it. That being said, it would make sense that to pilot the ship, they have to connect to it on a biological level. As they connect to it, the ship engulfs the host, to some degree, making up for a difference in size, in and out of the chair.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 01, 2012, 11:26:54 PM
The Juggernaut itself appears to have a very biomechanical design to it. That being said, it would make sense that to pilot the ship, they have to connect to it on a biological level. As they connect to it, the ship engulfs the host, to some degree, making up for a difference in size, in and out of the chair.
based on the trailer, this makes the host fatter in sizes, coincidently, more elephant built, pudgey. it doesnt make the hosts frame,, anywhere the size of the alien jockey.
I'm going to speak again (indulge me ^^) about the ENGINEER/HUMAN ENGINEER thing from Prometheus but first about the Space Jockey from ALIEN VS Engineer from PROMETHEUS.
I won't take into account the shots where Scott used his kids to make the set look bigger, i will just take the shots when adults actors are near it.
And when i compare those shots with those from PROMETHEUS (either the helmet or the hologram running toward David for exemples) i must say that Ridley cheated, they are smaller but still giants.
For me it works because you need to have a size that makes the interaction with humans work.
Bigger and we would end up in kin kong zone... I'm exagerating but you see what i mean
Now the Engineer/Human Engineer.
Like i said many times, i never doubted that there is a real Engineer in Prometheus.
A giant humanoid godlike being.
At first when i saw the new image from the tv spot, i was going to say "yep this a giant Engineer, i was wrong about that scene when i said it was a human sized engineer" but then i remembered an almost identical shot where David is kneeling near the navigation console and voila...
BTW i don't see any body laying around but DAVID's bag is there...
Why would an Engineer carry a bag is a mystery to me ;)
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But i do have doubt about this scene now.
Wich lead me to think about what Connor O'Sullivan, prosthetic supervisor said in french SFX interview.
He said that the movie has 3 acts and the Engineer meet the humans in act 2.
If that Engineer that takes off is a real one, i guess that the human do succeed in stopping him and then after we get the human Engineer thing...
Yes i still firmly believe in the human Engineer, just look at those 2 images does that look like Ian Whyte giant hands or legs? I don't see it.
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:)
For those who desire 18 ft/27 ft tall engineers running around in Prometheus, interacting with the humans, coming aboard the their ship/lifeboat:
Approx. 27 / 18 / 9 / 6 ft respectively
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The brachiosaurus just underlines how huge 18 & 27 ft really is. It seems some people don't quite realize the implications.
The huge jockey worked beautifully when it was a corpse in a vertical position inside the cinemascope aspect ration. Standing upright - not so much.
PS: Does this thread have to become another jockey size thread? I'm out now :)
I hesitate to discuss this as I've been a lurker for awhile, I don't know the etiquette, and I have actually tried to avoid big spoilers (and will step that up come the end of the month). But based on a scrap of data that got picked up by another site, I can say that I suspect at least one of the live Engineers in the film is the real deal, not a human metamorphosis. I also know for a fact one person it can't be.
Man this argument takes me back. I was one of the folks raging about the nerfed SJ but the new material shows that there is a heck of a lot of crazy things going on in this film. I am pretty confident that it will all make sense once the credits role, because I also think that there is something that we haven't seen yet.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 01, 2012, 11:21:59 PM
Do we have that little faith in Ridley Scott to think "he messed up the scale" ? Do we think he is that absent minded? Don't you think he went back to some of the original plans of the OT Space Jockey for scale? Isn't it possible that Scott knows what he's doing, and that maybe, just maybe ;) in the next minutes of the milliseconds of scenes that we've scene, all will right itself?
Dont want to adrees the size thing again but in the SFX interview of Arthur Max and Richard Stammers say that they used high quality picture and miniatures models available in the market to redo the chair.
Not the original plans.
EVA? ;)
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Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 11:33:54 PM
For those who desire 18 ft/27 ft tall engineers running around in Prometheus, interacting with the humans, coming aboard the their ship/lifeboat:
Approx. 27 / 18 / 9 / 6 ft respectively
http://i48.tinypic.com/34j4zkx.jpg
The brachiosaurus just underlines how huge 18 & 27 ft really is. It seems some people don't quite realize the implications.
The huge jockey worked beautifully when it was a corpse in a vertical position inside the cinemascope aspect ration. Standing upright - not so much.
PS: Does this thread have to become another jockey size thread? I'm out now :)
theres two ways to approach the engineer / jockey size discussion.
perspective one - from the story, the alien, the canon.
perspective two - the director/actors/practical reasons/limitations.
perspective two should be irrelevant to us, the last time i checked it was ridley scott directing and making the film. their supposed to deliver us a canon story to alien right? at least something that will make sense and lend answers to the original.
were really , as viewers, supposed to be concerned with perspective one. but if we insist on perspective two, then it really boils down to this - did prometheus necessarily have to sacrifice these large differences? at the amount they did? i doubt it not to this extent. again, consider big 'characters' in films have been achieved, like the queen in Alien (has been framed successfully for shots. there is such things as puppets and models which worked well in alien/aliens. despite cgi achieving better movement in characters, puppets/models at least always look real. in the end, 18ft, as estimate of the original jockey size, i dont think would be necessary to repeat, but i think 9ft engineer was to small when considering the original. but i guess we'll wait and see what the big picture holds for prometheus (the entire film, its story)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:55 PM
EVA? ;)
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What... what...!? I said I was out (as long as it comes down to a jockey size disussion for the 274th time) :D
(I am, however, intrigued by the thing inside the red circle...)
It was
rumored that Davids head is knocked off in a faceoff with the engineer (mirroring Ash in Alien somewhat), but I don't really think much of this rumor at this time... What do YOU think it could be? ;)
I suppose the 'Blue man' we keep seeing may not even be a space jockey, maybe we haven't seen the real jockey yet, we can't say for certain. What i do know is saying production and shooting problems is a good enough reason to half the size (at least) of the jockey is a lame and conveniant reason imo, you can't just make changes like that to make it easier, if it wasn't practical to use a full size jockey then they shouldn't of used the jockey at all then and done a different ALIEN story instead, at least we wouldn't have all the 'oh its a suit' crap that destroys the awe and wonder of the space jockey scene in ALIEN.
It doesn't destroy it for me. A L I E N is still an incredibly powerful film.
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 11:56:30 PMIt was rumored that Davids head is knocked off in a faceoff with the engineer (mirroring Ash in Alien somewhat)
That would be quite an awesome thing. I choose to believe it.
i hope not, i like david, so far he is my favourite character, followed by Shaw and Vickers.
If David is superior in strength to the humans, then he might pose an initial physical threat to the Jockey....should be interesting to see how they go at it.
QuoteIt doesn't destroy it for me
+1. What's more, it seems a bit logical that the SJ had a suit given the situation (no airlock on the ship (?), dangerous cargo - even though the suit didn't prove useful...).
I understand the reaction about the less alienness. But it doesn't ruin the SJ for me, all the countrary. That the SJ may be more humanoid is even better (they look like us, we could become like them, and some in the Company are ready to use the Xenomorphs as they seem to use them). It doesn't reduce the alienness of the ship (even the one more realistic from
Prometheus as we see it in the trailers) and the awe about what these creatures can do, creatures that remain impressing nonetheless, more physically impressing than us (but we humans are able to do horrible things too).
RE: Item at the top of the ramp leading upto the Orrery/Chair platform (circled in red above by NGR01)
--> Its Elizabeth Shaw's gold Space Handbag.
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I'm guessing that means that its Shaw lying unconscious behind the Jockey Chair?
QuoteI'm guessing that means that its Shaw lying unconscious behind the Jockey Chair?
It would complicate what we can deduce from the trailers about the story... It seems to me that the Engineer arrives, activate the Chair, then prepare the Juggernaut to take off. I doubt Shaw has the power of bilocation, so she can't be inside the ship and outside at the same moment. David has more chances (not the appropriate word, actually) to lie unconscious there when the ship flies off...
It's going to be interesting to watch this movie, in terms of scenario. I mean for the
analysis of the scenario, which seems quite ambitious and simple at the same time, I'm looking forward to seing how they managed to match all these elements.
^ interesting - that could be it, although that looks like a pic from the set, taken during the takes, but I dunno... :)
It doesn't look like a head to me - it's too large and the shape is off...
The person on the floor seems to have an exposed arm/ripped suit. Shaws suit is intact when she's seen running outside and I presume that takes place after the events inside the Juggernaut...
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:55 PM
EVA? ;)
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What... what...!? I said I was out (as long as it comes down to a jockey size disussion for the 274th time) :D
(I am, however, intrigued by the thing inside the red circle...)
It was rumored that Davids head is knocked off in a faceoff with the engineer (mirroring Ash in Alien somewhat), but I don't really think much of this rumor at this time... What do YOU think it could be? ;)
SIZE DOES MATTER! DOESN'T IT? ;)
Yep i've heard that rumor.
For me the red circle is DAVID's famous bag (or Shaw's ^^!)
So he's here in that scene.
If the rumor is correct then he is the body (but frankly i'm not sure i see that body) and my take is that this scene takes place in the middle of the movie (based on what Connor O'sullivan prosthetic supervisor said that when the human meet the living Engineer).
The 3rd act then would see the birth of the human Engineer.
I know i know you don't agree on the human Engineer ;)
The Human-to-Engineer theory is a sound an idea as anything else....and I like it. The enemy within, the enemy we become.
ThisBethesdaSea,what do you think of this?
Do you think it works? I mean both shots are really really close and David doesnt seem smaller than the supposed Engineer.
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Or the human sized hands that grab Shaw or the human sized legs wearing Engineer suit that we see in the confrontation shown at the end of the first full trailer?
Any theory?
:)
Quote from: Eva on May 01, 2012, 11:56:30 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:55 PM
EVA? ;)
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What... what...!? I said I was out (as long as it comes down to a jockey size disussion for the 274th time) :D
(I am, however, intrigued by the thing inside the red circle...)
It was rumored that Davids head is knocked off in a faceoff with the engineer (mirroring Ash in Alien somewhat), but I don't really think much of this rumor at this time... What do YOU think it could be? ;)
Over at the other Prometheus forum they have a leaked call sheet that describes the scene and what happens.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 12:24:30 AM
SIZE DOES MATTER! DOESN'T IT? ;)
As a female adressing a male, I'm not even going to go there... :D
QuoteYep i've heard that rumor.
For me the red circle is DAVID's famous bag not Shaw's ^^
So he's here in that scene.
If the rumor is correct then he is the body (but frankly i'm not sure i see that body) and my take is that this scene takes place in the middle of the movie (based on what Connor O'sullivan prosthetic supervisor said that when the human meet the living Engineer).
The 3rd act then would see the birth of the human Engineer.
I know i know you don't agree on the human Engineer ;)
Sure, could be Davids bag... and yes, with regards to the notion of a
human engineer (which to me completely defuses the underlying plot with humans facing their gods/makers) - well, let's just look at the last time a somewhat 'similar' humanized hybrid concept was used
Spoiler
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I tease ;)
Goodnight - it's way past my bedtime
Sleep tight :)
BTW something wrong with leaked call sheet.
It says "The Engineer puts on his flight suit and gets into the pilot chair."
But the flight suit "morphs" on him when he sits on the chair, he clearly wearing the undersuit when he watches the chair rises not the full suit...
Mhhhhhhh i really wonder if that call sheet is real...
wouldn't it be funny if they give a completely legit reason in the film as to why the jockeys are different sizes?
because I honestly think they will.
If they don't....Well, who f**king cares? It sure won't ruin my the movie or my life.
I think the call sheet (which I regret seeing) wording on the Engineer is a matter of syntax. I've seen that doc and if it were fake, it's awfully convincing, certainly far more convincing than that terrible hoax script a few months ago written in broken English. So yeah, I think it's real.
How about that: Ridley Scott doesn't care too much about meticulously copying every design element from Alien but rather chose to do what works best for the story.
I cannot understand how anyone can get so worked up about something so trivial. Maybe the Engineers have massive sexual dimorphism and the females are huge. Who cares?
The spots are pretty good,sustains my hype.
*spasms*
Its obviously david's head. you can see the "blank" face and blonde "perfect" hair. What strikes me even more is that there is a pool of blood underneath/inbetween the head and the body.
It is David AND its pool of blood. I believe the Engineer kills David because he can tell that the android has stolen the fire and become biological or bio mechanical or maybe something else...something abominable.
Also its not a clean decapitation at the neck. Its almost as if the Jockey has stomped/torn through David's chest/sternum. On an average man, in order to completely tear across the whole top torso, the Jockey's foot would be 24-27 inches long.
Either im blind or is this a movie mistake ? or a different room ?
Check
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or im fussy lol
and I still can't see a body lying down on the floor next to the chair..., just the engineer
At this point,I just don't care if the proportions are correct. If Ridley knocks this out of the park in terms of story....NONE of this will matter. This is ridiculous tedium.
@x-M-x
The top picture - I think they're just Holographic projectors that pop up for the Star Map
The bottom picture - could just be something belonging to one of the crew
I wish SOMEBODY had put up a spoiler alert about David... although I'm not entirely convinced at the moment
Quote from: x-M-x on May 02, 2012, 11:28:51 AM
Either im blind or is this a movie mistake ? or a different room ?
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or im fussy lol
Yep i did saw that too...
Maybe some continuty error or a late design.
Ridley could have decided to remove those when the chair is up.
I'm not interested by the size of the Engineer as in it have to fit the one from ALIEN, he is a giant thats enough for me.
I'm interested about the potential plot a human sized Engineer could imply.
Alien: The Space Jockey
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Prometheus: The Engineer
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Just because it is (looks) bigger, doesn't mean it's not the same species. Are all humans the same size?
I'm more inclined to think the "body" is Davids suit and boots, the random object his bag and he has donned a space jockey jumpsuit with some strange notion as to using that chair.
The "body" looks blue and like there are boots, but it looks too flat.
Quote from: josh_axey on May 02, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
I'm more inclined to think the "body" is Davids suit and boots, the random object his bag and he has donned a space jockey jumpsuit with some strange notion as to using that chair.
The "body" looks blue and like there are boots, but it looks too flat.
That's an okay theory but we've already seen a wide shot where you can see the engineer stalking from the right towards David who is standing there.
Love the silhouette of the juggernaut in the air from afar - always wanted to see one of them fly!
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 02, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: josh_axey on May 02, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
I'm more inclined to think the "body" is Davids suit and boots, the random object his bag and he has donned a space jockey jumpsuit with some strange notion as to using that chair.
The "body" looks blue and like there are boots, but it looks too flat.
That's an okay theory but we've already seen a wide shot where you can see the engineer stalking from the right towards David who is standing there.
Can you point toward that scene or image?
If you are refering to the moment where he's playing with the Orrery it seems to me that ALL the Engineer present are holograms, no?
:)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 02, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: josh_axey on May 02, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
I'm more inclined to think the "body" is Davids suit and boots, the random object his bag and he has donned a space jockey jumpsuit with some strange notion as to using that chair.
The "body" looks blue and like there are boots, but it looks too flat.
That's an okay theory but we've already seen a wide shot where you can see the engineer stalking from the right towards David who is standing there.
Don't remember from any of the trailers such scene with david and engineer stalking behind him....??? ???
Can you point toward that scene or image?
If you are refering to the moment where he's playing with the Orrery it seems to me that ALL the Engineer present are holograms, no?
:)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 02, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: josh_axey on May 02, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
I'm more inclined to think the "body" is Davids suit and boots, the random object his bag and he has donned a space jockey jumpsuit with some strange notion as to using that chair.
The "body" looks blue and like there are boots, but it looks too flat.
That's an okay theory but we've already seen a wide shot where you can see the engineer stalking from the right towards David who is standing there.
Can you point toward that scene or image?
If you are refering to the moment where he's playing with the Orrery it seems to me that ALL the Engineer present are holograms, no?
:)
I'll see if I can find it, but there's an image with David to the left, and the engineer to the right. They're both standing there.
It's not the hologram scene, it seems to play in that same scene where we see the engineer taking steps towards the control chair in the center of the orrey.
Here's one that shows the wider shot in question:
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Before the console comes up though, there was a shot with David and the engineer in the frame.
For those of you who honestly think this new image is David/Holloway ... Just look at this guy:
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Yeah, pyschonaut, it wasn't the hologram scene.
I may be thinking of a shot someone did that was just showing the scale difference between Jockey and David. Buh.
If you look closely at the second shot, you will see that there is a human bag near the stairs that lead the the pilot chair. No bag around when David is kneeling on the console.
The plateform is also missing those small consoles like things between sarcophagis so this not at all the same scene...
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The angles are almost identical.
David kneeling shot is higher hence making him look a bit smaller.
The Engineer watching shot is a lower angle should make him look a bit bigger.
Both shots are as wide so i think it's a very good comparaison photo.
From the running holograms you can see that David is clearly smaller than a real Engineer.
Here i can clearly see that David is not at all dwarfed by the supposed Engineer ;)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
If you look closely at the second shot, you will see that there is a human bag near the stairs that lead the the pilot chair. No bag around when David is kneeling on the console.
The plateform is also missing those small consoles like things between sarcophagis so this not at all the same scene...
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The angles are almost identical.
David kneeling shot is higher hence making him look a bit smaller.
The Engineer watching shot is a lower angle should make him look a bit bigger.
Both shots are as wide so i think it's a very good comparaison photo.
From the running holograms you can see that David is clearly smaller than a real Engineer.
Here i can clearly see that David is not at all dwarfed by the supposed Engineer ;)
Jockeys/enginners aren't supposed to be superhuge(HULK like), but a slightly bigger and taller than humans, I think something similar like Predators, cca. 2.16 meters.
I won't bring up the SJ from ALIEN because it's clear by now that Scott doesnt use the same size for the Engineers in Prometheus. So lets not bring that one up please.
But in Prometheus they are Avatar Navi like sized not just sligthy bigger than humans.
Have you seen the size of the helmet Shaw brings back to the Prometheus?
Or the size of the full pilot suit in the corridor behind Shaw?
Or the running Holograms in front of David or around him in the Orrery room?
Check those ;)
If the Engineers were not needed to be huge, Scott would have not hired or those abnormaly giants actors like Ian Whyte to play them he would have just used regular actors on heels and padded armors ^^
And on screen he will film Whyte & co to make them look even bigger.
Predators? Really? ;)
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 04:04:24 PM
I won't bring up the SJ from ALIEN because it's clear by now that Scott doesnt use the same size for the Engineers in Prometheus. So lets not bring that one up please.
But in Prometheus they are Avatar Navi like sized not just sligthy bigger than humans.
Have you seen the size of the helmet Shaw brings back to the Prometheus?
Or the size of the full pilot suit in the corridor behind Shaw?
Or the running Holograms in front of David or around him in the Orrery room?
Check those ;)
If the Engineers were not needed to be huge, Scott would have not hired or those abnormaly giants actors like Ian Whyte to play them he would have just used regular actors on heels and padded armors ^^
And on screen he will film Whyte & co to make them look even bigger.
the helmet that shaw bringed back to Prometheus IS bigger, but it is a suit. In suit they can be bigger, but "naked" they can be really only big as predators. And Ian Whyte was playing predator in AVP, so Jockeys ARE the same size as predators, according to the height of the actor portraiting both of them.
You are confusing an actor's height and the height of the character he's playing.
The guy in Mighty joe young gorilla suit was 5 ft so the gorilla was 5ft too?
Hey guys, don't know if anyone else saw this or not (I didn't feel like reading 8 pages of people arguing over the size of the engineer/jockey/what ev) I was at bar last night. On tv they had the NBA on TNT and I kept getting a glimpse of an ad that looked like there was some rock band in the engineer's map room/chair room. Did anyone else see this? Can anyone clarify?
Quote from: psychonaut25 on May 02, 2012, 03:49:06 PM
Quote from: NGR01 on May 02, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
If you look closely at the second shot, you will see that there is a human bag near the stairs that lead the the pilot chair. No bag around when David is kneeling on the console.
The plateform is also missing those small consoles like things between sarcophagis so this not at all the same scene...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg19.imageshack.us%2Fimg19%2F3217%2Fdavidvsengineer.jpg&hash=234781e4890d2effa66e19b8034fe61132f96ce7)
The angles are almost identical.
David kneeling shot is higher hence making him look a bit smaller.
The Engineer watching shot is a lower angle should make him look a bit bigger.
Both shots are as wide so i think it's a very good comparaison photo.
From the running holograms you can see that David is clearly smaller than a real Engineer.
Here i can clearly see that David is not at all dwarfed by the supposed Engineer ;)
Jockeys/enginners aren't supposed to be superhuge(HULK like), but a slightly bigger and taller than humans, I think something similar like Predators, cca. 2.16 meters.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F26.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_kt09gyXHvv1qzexpio1_500.jpg&hash=295c1413685157b575899fafb06e767db99ef721)
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You were saying.
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 02, 2012, 07:05:08 PM
You were saying.
He was referring to this film. They have been verified in
this film to be around 9ft tall.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 02, 2012, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Mastes1 on May 02, 2012, 07:05:08 PM
You were saying.
He was referring to this film. They have been verified in this film to be around 9ft tall.
which already dwarves the Giger' alen (+8 foot)
It's two separate shots.....one is of the Jockey starting up the ship...the other is David turning on the holograms...two different scenes. Case closed.
I know this was brought up earlier, but is this a clearerer image of....
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Spoiler
....david meeting his maker!!!
Empty suit?
If the call sheet is real then yep it's who you know...
Still doesnt explain the human sized Engineer tho...
Quote from: GhettoDefendant on May 02, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
Hey guys, don't know if anyone else saw this or not (I didn't feel like reading 8 pages of people arguing over the size of the engineer/jockey/what ev) I was at bar last night. On tv they had the NBA on TNT and I kept getting a glimpse of an ad that looked like there was some rock band in the engineer's map room/chair room. Did anyone else see this? Can anyone clarify?
Justin Bieber
"Its breaking my arm baby..."
Wow nice new picture of the Engineer next to the seat.
I'm calling BS on that call sheet. FAKE!
I think thats Shaw lying there unconscious, not David.
The gold Space Handbag (light source?) is in exactly the same position on the set as the image of Shaw I posted earlier in this thread. Its clear to me that there are two separate scenes here: one where David activates the Engineer's Orrery and has fun 'playing God', the other is Elizabeth Shaw returning to the Orrery, alone, whereupon she witnesses the Engineer emerging from his sarcophagus! It would be a far more poignant moment for Elizabeth Shaw to come face to face with her 'maker' and 'lifetime idol' only to be cast aside like an unwanted doll.
About all these arguements going on with the size of the Jockey, I wasn't happy about it either, then I woke up to something that was apparent from the very begining. Watch this video real close, paying special attention to what is being said at 00:37, once and for all realise the REAL reason things are different with this movie and GET OVER IT!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTY_o44qcg&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTY_o44qcg&feature=player_embedded#)
Quote from: 180924609 on May 02, 2012, 11:47:09 PM
I'm calling BS on that call sheet. FAKE!
I think thats Shaw lying there unconscious, not David.
The gold Space Handbag (light source?) is in exactly the same position on the set as the image of Shaw I posted earlier in this thread. Its clear to me that there are two separate scenes here: one where David activates the Engineer's Orrery and has fun 'playing God', the other is Elizabeth Shaw returning to the Orrery, alone, whereupon she witnesses the Engineer emerging from his sarcophagus! It would be a far more poignant moment for Elizabeth Shaw to come face to face with her 'maker' and 'lifetime idol' only to be cast aside like an unwanted doll.
Of course this is David, the severed head even looks like him, plus we already know he visits this room more than once.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi16.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb13%2FAndyUK_1962%2FSpoiler-David.jpg&hash=5af967e9da449b238458ee2fed812cb280977d2f)
I noticed a tall guy standing behind LGM...and that's it. Care to clarify or just spell out your epiphany?
Quote from: Ruzena on May 02, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: GhettoDefendant on May 02, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
Hey guys, don't know if anyone else saw this or not (I didn't feel like reading 8 pages of people arguing over the size of the engineer/jockey/what ev) I was at bar last night. On tv they had the NBA on TNT and I kept getting a glimpse of an ad that looked like there was some rock band in the engineer's map room/chair room. Did anyone else see this? Can anyone clarify?
Justin Bieber
"Its breaking my arm baby..."
Oh, gross... What corporate sleaze put that together? Well "I have to see, I have to know"
Quote from: GhettoDefendant on May 03, 2012, 06:39:23 AM
Quote from: Ruzena on May 02, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: GhettoDefendant on May 02, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
Hey guys, don't know if anyone else saw this or not (I didn't feel like reading 8 pages of people arguing over the size of the engineer/jockey/what ev) I was at bar last night. On tv they had the NBA on TNT and I kept getting a glimpse of an ad that looked like there was some rock band in the engineer's map room/chair room. Did anyone else see this? Can anyone clarify?
Justin Bieber
"Its breaking my arm baby..."
Oh, gross... What corporate sleaze put that together? Well "I have to see, I have to know"
i think he is talking about linkin park and their new single. they had a montage from their next video mixed in with nba shots. the videos has a similar set to the jockey room. but it's not from prometheus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp73OIoEIVE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp73OIoEIVE#ws)
Nah, Linkin park are just Justin Bieber's hidden agenda. ;]
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 02, 2012, 11:51:07 PM
About all these arguements going on with the size of the Jockey, I wasn't happy about it either, then I woke up to something that was apparent from the very begining. Watch this video real close, paying special attention to what is being said at 00:37, once and for all realise the REAL reason things are different with this movie and GET OVER IT!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTY_o44qcg&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTY_o44qcg&feature=player_embedded#)
Quote from: 180924609 on May 02, 2012, 11:47:09 PM
I'm calling BS on that call sheet. FAKE!
I think thats Shaw lying there unconscious, not David.
The gold Space Handbag (light source?) is in exactly the same position on the set as the image of Shaw I posted earlier in this thread. Its clear to me that there are two separate scenes here: one where David activates the Engineer's Orrery and has fun 'playing God', the other is Elizabeth Shaw returning to the Orrery, alone, whereupon she witnesses the Engineer emerging from his sarcophagus! It would be a far more poignant moment for Elizabeth Shaw to come face to face with her 'maker' and 'lifetime idol' only to be cast aside like an unwanted doll.
Of course this is David, the severed head even looks like him, plus we already know he visits this room more than once.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi16.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb13%2FAndyUK_1962%2FSpoiler-David.jpg&hash=5af967e9da449b238458ee2fed812cb280977d2f)
Oh sh!t - you're right! I totally see it now.
Hopefully he can be reassembled later - Bishop style.
Quote from: 180924609 on May 03, 2012, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 02, 2012, 11:51:07 PM
About all these arguements going on with the size of the Jockey, I wasn't happy about it either, then I woke up to something that was apparent from the very begining. Watch this video real close, paying special attention to what is being said at 00:37, once and for all realise the REAL reason things are different with this movie and GET OVER IT!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTY_o44qcg&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTY_o44qcg&feature=player_embedded#)
Quote from: 180924609 on May 02, 2012, 11:47:09 PM
I'm calling BS on that call sheet. FAKE!
I think thats Shaw lying there unconscious, not David.
The gold Space Handbag (light source?) is in exactly the same position on the set as the image of Shaw I posted earlier in this thread. Its clear to me that there are two separate scenes here: one where David activates the Engineer's Orrery and has fun 'playing God', the other is Elizabeth Shaw returning to the Orrery, alone, whereupon she witnesses the Engineer emerging from his sarcophagus! It would be a far more poignant moment for Elizabeth Shaw to come face to face with her 'maker' and 'lifetime idol' only to be cast aside like an unwanted doll.
Of course this is David, the severed head even looks like him, plus we already know he visits this room more than once.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi16.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb13%2FAndyUK_1962%2FSpoiler-David.jpg&hash=5af967e9da449b238458ee2fed812cb280977d2f)
Oh sh!t - you're right! I totally see it now.
Hopefully he can be reassembled later - Bishop style.
so this was legit after all:
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you meant ash-style, or? ;)
When Shaw is jumping inside the Juggernaut Hangar she doesnt have a bag.
This is not Shaw's bag. Someone has left it there before she arrives.
I think i do see a suit, i'm not sure tho if it's a body or an empty suit...
I don't see any head either...
We need those tv spots in 1080p to set this once and for all :)
So no reaction to the montage from 2 quasi identical shots where i added David kneeling near the supposed Engineer?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg19.imageshack.us%2Fimg19%2F3217%2Fdavidvsengineer.jpg&hash=234781e4890d2effa66e19b8034fe61132f96ce7)
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 02, 2012, 11:51:07 PM
About all these arguements going on with the size of the Jockey, I wasn't happy about it either, then I woke up to something that was apparent from the very begining. Watch this video real close, paying special attention to what is being said at 00:37, once and for all realise the REAL reason things are different with this movie and GET OVER IT!!!
Scott "how valid is that?"
???????
I posted this on another forum, but nobody seemed to think it was odd. I'll try it out on you people.
1) On April 28th we have a leaked call sheet that specifically gives away the information that David is decapitated.
2) Interestingly enough, FOX has not not had the site pull the call sheet. It's still available at the source
3) Two days later we get a new TV spot with a scene showing the Engineer by the chair, and a decapitated David on the floor.
4) You would not be able to pick this out in real time viewing. Only in a hi res screencap can you see this detail.
I'm wondering if we are being targetted with misinformation to throw us off the scent of what really happens in the movie? Putting fake easter eggs in these scenes that only people who pour over the trailers frame-by-frame would be able to find.
Quote from: Mustangjeff on May 03, 2012, 05:26:22 PM
I posted this on another forum, but nobody seemed to think it was odd. I'll try it out on you people.
1) On April 28th we have a leaked call sheet that specifically gives away the information that David is decapitated.
2) Interestingly enough, FOX has not not had the site pull the call sheet. It's still available at the source
3) Two days later we get a new TV spot with a scene showing the Engineer by the chair, and a decapitated David on the floor.
4) You would not be able to pick this out in real time viewing. Only in a hi res screencap can you see this detail.
I'm wondering if we are being targetted with misinformation to throw us off the scent of what really happens in the movie? Putting fake easter eggs in these scenes that only people who pour over the trailers frame-by-frame would be able to find.
Interesting theory, and looking at it again I think you may be right. Something did strike me as not quite right about this image, something in the way the scene is lit that's different from many other shots of this room, so could this be just another production still rather than any scene to throw people off guard....very curious!
Quote from: zuzuki on May 03, 2012, 07:56:27 AM
Quote from: GhettoDefendant on May 03, 2012, 06:39:23 AM
Quote from: Ruzena on May 02, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: GhettoDefendant on May 02, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
Hey guys, don't know if anyone else saw this or not (I didn't feel like reading 8 pages of people arguing over the size of the engineer/jockey/what ev) I was at bar last night. On tv they had the NBA on TNT and I kept getting a glimpse of an ad that looked like there was some rock band in the engineer's map room/chair room. Did anyone else see this? Can anyone clarify?
Justin Bieber
"Its breaking my arm baby..."
Oh, gross... What corporate sleaze put that together? Well "I have to see, I have to know"
i think he is talking about linkin park and their new single. they had a montage from their next video mixed in with nba shots. the videos has a similar set to the jockey room. but it's not from prometheus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp73OIoEIVE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp73OIoEIVE#ws)
Yeah I think this is what I saw. There is some resemblance between the two rooms but after watching that video, I was definitely mistaken. I am glad too
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 02, 2012, 11:51:07 PM
Spoiler
Of course this is David, the severed head even looks like him, plus we already know he visits this room more than once.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi16.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb13%2FAndyUK_1962%2FSpoiler-David.jpg&hash=5af967e9da449b238458ee2fed812cb280977d2f)
...
Really wish I could better avoid these f**king frame breakdowns.
PLEASE hide any comments related to story or plot points of the film as SPOILERS. Thanks :)
I can't see how anyone can read anything on that call sheet... which is lucky for me I guess.
New TV Spot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMPjLy1zCvI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMPjLy1zCvI#ws)
Nice! New shoot of orery , new dialog from Vickers.
The view of the jockey suit engulfing someone in the pilot's chair now has the orrery in action in the background, with reflections and highlights off the suit.
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I don't mean to be a party pooper and I'm happy about the new footage but every single time a new trailer or TV spot gets released, I see more CGI additions. This is worrying. Yes, yes, I know the story is more important but why mess with a good thing?
90% of the CGI I've seen so far looks fantastic but they've already changed the derelict, they've added more storm particles to the scene where Shaw(?) gets blown away to the point where some of the beautiful production design is masked by the particles, they've added dodgy looking CGI around the Space Jockey and the colour grading is terrible and another new addition is at the start of the TV spot where you see "Prometheus" added to the side of the ship... rather horribly, I might add. It looks like a floating font.
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 09, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
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That scene still looks laughably bad though.
You cant polish a turd.
Quote from: 180924609 on May 09, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 09, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
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That scene still looks laughably bad though.
You cant polish a turd.
You can polish it if it ain't a turd.
Jesus Christ there's no pleasing you people.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 09, 2012, 11:05:13 AM
Jesus Christ there's no pleasing you people.
There is. The original shots looked just fine (the ship flying by, Shaw blown away by storm, space jockey, derelict landing/crashing). This is what happens when people don't know when to stop adding and working on something.
Unfortunately this isn't our vision, this is Ridley Scott's vision. He wants what he wants. I'd rather him do what his artistic voice tells him then please us,or one or two of the fans who judge an entire work from seconds of footage. Who knows, maybe I'll end up hating the aesthetic...if I do, it will be after seeing the entire canvass, and not just the edges of it.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 09, 2012, 11:21:59 AM
Unfortunately this isn't our vision, this is Ridley Scott's vision. He wants what he wants. I'd rather him do what his artistic voice tells him then please us,or one or two of the fans who judge an entire work from seconds of footage. Who knows, maybe I'll end up hating the aesthetic...if I do, it will be after seeing the entire canvass, and not just the edges of it.
Of course this is his vision. And this is my opinion. With him coming from a history of using practical effects and having things look as real as possible, this film is using an awful lot of CGI. I've got no problems with the story and with all the other elements but when people keep adding, keep adding, keep adding, what do you get? A scene that has been digitally altered and added to so many times that it eventually stops looking real and starts looking like a video game cutscene. Subtlety is the key. A lot of the shots looked amazing before and it just makes no sense to keep f**king around with them. Besides, the reason they release trailers is so that we can make our mind up on how a film looks. Of course we don't know what all the other footage looks like but based on what I've seen already, a lot of shots have been changed.
Quote from: ucdom on May 09, 2012, 11:22:30 AM
F**k me, whinge, whinge, whinge.
It looks great, it's gonna BE great. Grow up!
That's funny. I didn't know having an opinion meant one needs to grow up. And clearly I'm not the one who needs to grow up.
This is the problem with showing work that's still in process. Just because we think it's done, doesn't mean the artist does. I like the shot of the Orrey hologram incorporated with the Jockey. It's beautiful and mysterious.
Quote from: 180924609 on May 09, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 09, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
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That scene still looks laughably bad though.
You cant polish a turd.
Youre totally right !
In fact youve completely convinced me that I definitely wont be seeing Prometheus under any circumstance
I couldnt stop laughing throughout the entire launch trailer since it all looks so 'laughable' and oh yes.........'bad'
When is your next movie coming out ?
Can I buy an advance ticket ?
Its patently clear that youre a genius and a visionary, unlike Ridley Scott who has no idea at all, and does nothing but sit on his ass all day 'polishing turds'
(also can i have your autograph..?....please ?!!..........i'll pay triple the normal fee)
::) ::) ::)
This has been the funniest thread in a long time.
Prometheus looks amazing! Polish that turd Riddles! Polish it all!
Amen JKS1!
Quote from: Vickers on May 09, 2012, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 09, 2012, 11:05:13 AM
Jesus Christ there's no pleasing you people.
There is. The original shots looked just fine (the ship flying by, Shaw blown away by storm, space jockey, derelict landing/crashing). This is what happens when people don't know when to stop adding and working on something.
you need to understand that this movie is filmed in 3d, the cgi is done to compliment the 3d aspect of the film. if it would have been a normal 2d film shot on regular film not with digital camera, the movie would have had a different feel, different depth. it wouldn't have looked this sharp, and the cgi would have looked a little bit different.
it sucks but that's the way things work and why cgi in 3d films look kinda wack when you see a 2d normal presentation
Quote from: zuzuki on May 09, 2012, 01:38:40 PM
Quote from: Vickers on May 09, 2012, 11:11:55 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 09, 2012, 11:05:13 AM
Jesus Christ there's no pleasing you people.
There is. The original shots looked just fine (the ship flying by, Shaw blown away by storm, space jockey, derelict landing/crashing). This is what happens when people don't know when to stop adding and working on something.
you need to understand that this movie is filmed in 3d, the cgi is done to compliment the 3d aspect of the film. if it would have been a normal 2d film shot on regular film not with digital camera, the movie would have had a different feel, different depth. it wouldn't have looked this sharp, and the cgi would have looked a little bit different.
it sucks but that's the way things work and why cgi in 3d films look kinda wack when you see a 2d normal presentation
The CGI should in no way interfere with the 3D aspect (which comes from the cameras and sets themselves, not the CGI).
Look, I'm not trying to get into a flame war here. I'm obviously looking forward to Prometheus and it's still my most anticipated film this year.
I'm simply saying that some of the CGI changes/additions look off to me. That colour grading and added CGI in the jockey shot - dare I say it - looks cheap and the kind of quality I would expect from something like Power Rangers. I know a lot of people had a problem with the original shot before but that had more to do with the size of the jockey than the colour scheme and lack of digital effects. Then you have the name of the ship they added in, in the latest TV spot, that looks like something somebody added in after discovering Adobe After Effects. I'm not going to get into all the shots that were changed because you get the idea.
Also, not everybody has 3D plasma TVs at home. Hypothetically speaking, let's say the CGI was being done for the 3D aspect... if the film can't look good in 2D, how is it going to hold up on DVD and Blu-Ray?
I know I'm not the first person to bring this up and I won't be the last but that's what forums are for right? To discuss these things.
I still think Prometheus is going to be a quality film. At this stage it's only Logan Marshall-Green and the final results regarding the CGI that's worrying me.
After a while Vickers...this discussion is read as tedious nitpicking, only because IT'S GONE ON FOR SO LONG....:)
I'm no expert...I did attend film school if that means anything (which it doesn't) and I just don't see what you're seeing. Obviously this is your opinion and you have the right to have it. To me, your comment reads as a bit insulting to Ridley I suppose, because we know that even his films that misfire have a high quality of care given to their aesthetic. Leveling a term like 'cheap' just doesn't seem respectful....but carry on. You have every right to your opinion of course. Just don't be surprised if it ends up offending or upsetting some people.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 09, 2012, 02:25:43 PM
After a while Vickers...this discussion is read as tedious nitpicking, only because IT'S GONE ON FOR SO LONG....:)
I'm no expert...I did attend film school if that means anything (which it doesn't) and I just don't see what you're seeing. Obviously this is your opinion and you have the right to have it. To me, your comment reads as a bit insulting to Ridley I suppose, because we know that even his films that misfire have a high quality of care given to their aesthetic. Leveling a term like 'cheap' just doesn't seem respectful....but carry on. You have every right to your opinion of course. Just don't be surprised if it ends up offending or upsetting some people.
Don't read too much into it. I was referring to a shot that looks cheap. I didn't say Prometheus looks cheap and I know Ridley Scott is a legend. But he too can make bad judgement, let's not forget that. I'm not in any way disrespecting Ridley Scott. I'm merely talking about what I see. Like I said, most of what I've seen looks fantastic but there are concerns.
And the only reason this discussion has gone on for so long is because we're all offering our views. We're allowed to, aren't we? If somebody misreads what I say, I am going to reply and reword what I'm trying to get at.
Has no one considered the possibility that the shot with the lit jockey suit is simply a different frame from the other one we've seen, before the lights comes up?
ugh i need to stay clear from the forums from now on. i thought people were supposed to put the spoiler tags on obvious spoilers
::) ::)
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 09, 2012, 04:46:44 PM
ugh i need to stay clear from the forums from now on. i thought people were supposed to put the spoiler tags on obvious spoilers
::) ::)
yep...
Glad they're adding to the CGI. It always seemed so unfinished and half-ass looking before. Hopefully they clean it up even more for the final release.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dgdJiw3X5I#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dgdJiw3X5I#ws)
The RED cameras are getting better and better.. I wonder when they introduce 70mm.
This size of the jockeys and/or the explaining of them discussion is ridiculous. I'm so glad I'm nowhere near that hung up on nitpicked details and pre-conceived notions.
We're STILL arguing over whether or not the Engineer is the SJ? Really? Well, to the NOT SPACE JOCKEY folks, PROMETHEUS IS NOT "ALIEN". Engineer is now proportionally smaller, move on. Less than a month now, can't wait!
Quote from: 180924609 on May 09, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
You cant polish a turd.
i do believe mythbusters proved you wrong on that one :P
Well if this movie bugs people so much than you can always go see
Spoiler
MADAGASCAR 3 ::)
maybe that's more your cup of tea. :P
Quote from: Alexx on May 09, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
Well if this movie bugs people so much than you can always go seeSpoiler
MADAGASCAR 3 ::)
People are entitled to their opinions. We're obviously all here because we're all looking forward to the same film.
Some people think Prometheus is going to be absolutely amazing and wouldn't change a single thing even if they could.
Some people think it's going to be potentially epic but they're concerned about a few smaller elements that might not affect the story but can prove to be distracting. That's me. I'm really excited to see it but I would be lying if I said there wasn't something that I'm unsure of at this stage.
Anyway, I can't wait to see how it all turns out. At the end of the day, we ALL want the film to do well and be amazing.
that scream at the end still gives me the boner.... im hoping for a rape scene ??? :o ;D
Quote from: Vickers on May 09, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Alexx on May 09, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
Well if this movie bugs people so much than you can always go seeSpoiler
MADAGASCAR 3 ::)
People are entitled to their opinions. We're obviously all here because we're all looking forward to the same film.
Some people think Prometheus is going to be absolutely amazing and wouldn't change a single thing even if they could.
Some people think it's going to be potentially epic but they're concerned about a few smaller elements that might not affect the story but can prove to be distracting. That's me. I'm really excited to see it but I would be lying if I said there wasn't something that I'm unsure of at this stage.
Anyway, I can't wait to see how it all turns out. At the end of the day, we ALL want the film to do well and be amazing.
I agree...
Quote from: Alexx on May 09, 2012, 08:54:44 PM
Quote from: Vickers on May 09, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Alexx on May 09, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
Well if this movie bugs people so much than you can always go seeSpoiler
MADAGASCAR 3 ::)
People are entitled to their opinions. We're obviously all here because we're all looking forward to the same film.
Some people think Prometheus is going to be absolutely amazing and wouldn't change a single thing even if they could.
Some people think it's going to be potentially epic but they're concerned about a few smaller elements that might not affect the story but can prove to be distracting. That's me. I'm really excited to see it but I would be lying if I said there wasn't something that I'm unsure of at this stage.
Anyway, I can't wait to see how it all turns out. At the end of the day, we ALL want the film to do well and be amazing.
I agree...
when i was reading the book Alien or i was watching the movie...whatever....for me the most exciting part was always the derelict part, sometimes i only watch/read that part still today....and well...now i can see a full movie about exploring a ship like that , dream come true
I wonder how much will a trillion dollars be worth in a hundred years time?
Quote from: 180924609 on May 09, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 09, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_imaxtrailer051.jpg)
That scene still looks laughably bad though.
You cant polish a turd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI#)
...just saying.
And I belive the jockey pictures is simply from two diffrent point in time.
1. When "Starmap" is deactivated 2. When it get activated and color the scene blueish.
Quote from: Vickers on May 09, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
Quote from: Alexx on May 09, 2012, 07:58:15 PM
Well if this movie bugs people so much than you can always go seeSpoiler
MADAGASCAR 3 ::)
People are entitled to their opinions. We're obviously all here because we're all looking forward to the same film.
Some people think Prometheus is going to be absolutely amazing and wouldn't change a single thing even if they could.
Some people think it's going to be potentially epic but they're concerned about a few smaller elements that might not affect the story but can prove to be distracting. That's me. I'm really excited to see it but I would be lying if I said there wasn't something that I'm unsure of at this stage.
Anyway, I can't wait to see how it all turns out. At the end of the day, we ALL want the film to do well and be amazing.
Hell, I agree with all your saying. Some shots I definitely liked pre-special effects, and others look even better. The RT01 driving back to the Prometheus looks cool with the planet, but I liked the brighter and more visually appealing look of before. As important as it is to praise Ridley Scott, we must also state our own opinions, and not just worship a film none of us knows how will play out.
Quote from: Darkoo on May 09, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
New TV Spot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMPjLy1zCvI#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMPjLy1zCvI#ws)
Just seeing rated R makes me very happy
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 09, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_imaxtrailer051.jpg)
I hope the top image is just promotional and not the real deal. I mean, I don't complain much about CGI as I'm a fan of it most of the time, but this new image just looks soooo lame. The original (bottom) image isn't perfect either, but it's still so much better hands down!
First the image was shit....dodgy...now, because it's finished it's too much CGI? Really? Really? Comparatively the CG is almost absent when viewing the star wars prequels and the rest of the summer fair. I'm all for opinions....and frankly I've seen two clips featuring Noomi's acting that give me good pause and some of the writing that doesn't measure up to my hopes....but they are not even important concerns and do more to balance my expectations then anything.
What I continue to read in these other critical comments aren't just concerns, it's people seemingly writing the entire team behind Prometheus off because, in their mind, it doesn't fall in line with THEIR vision of what they want this film to be. That's wholly unfair to me.
Don't mind the enhancements... that is, except for the shot with 'PROMETHEUS' all over the ships hull in huge letters. That looks bad... :-\
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on May 10, 2012, 12:11:15 PM
First the image was shit....dodgy...now, because it's finished it's too much CGI? Really? Really? Comparatively the CG is almost absent when viewing the star wars prequels and the rest of the summer fair. I'm all for opinions....and frankly I've seen two clips featuring Noomi's acting that give me good pause and some of the writing that doesn't measure up to my hopes....but they are not even important concerns and do more to balance my expectations then anything.
What I continue to read in these other critical comments aren't just concerns, it's people seemingly writing the entire team behind Prometheus off because, in their mind, it doesn't fall in line with THEIR vision of what they want this film to be. That's wholly unfair to me.
The original image wasn't perfect but it was still dark, moody and the colour grading still had an Alien feel to it. This new image is way too sharp, the colour grading is all wrong and almost cartoon like. I'd be very suprised if it ends up exactly like that in the movie, obviously they've tried to match the Jockey with the hologram and gone over-board. If you think the CG is fine that's your problem, I'm just talking about one shot anyway, but we're all entitled to our opinions here so back off!!
Quote from: Eva on May 10, 2012, 12:25:07 PM
Don't mind the enhancements... that is, except for the shot with 'PROMETHEUS' all over the ships hull in huge letters. That looks bad... :-\
Eva, your new sig made me almost spit my tea out!!! I can't wait to see what Cvalda has to say. ;)
Quote from: 180924609 on May 09, 2012, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on May 09, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/prometheus/trailers/normal_imaxtrailer051.jpg)
That scene still looks laughably bad though.
You cant polish a turd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0glxkNl7DQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0glxkNl7DQ#ws)
f**k off
Quote from: Vickers on May 10, 2012, 12:54:40 PM
Eva, your new sig made me almost spit my tea out!!! I can't wait to see what Cvalda has to say. ;)
Thanx.. I doubt she'll notice the discrete change though...
Spoiler
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Love your new set btw :)
It looks like the Prometheus TV campaign has finally begun in earnest (at least here in the US).
There were two commercials shown during 'Big Bang Theory' (which has the target audience and is one of the highest rated shows on TV).
I noticed a couple more ads, but I don't remember what shows they were attached to.
Unfortunately, none of them had new footage...but it's interesting to see the ramp-up getting started.
Saw one on ITV in the UK yesterday. 'Book your tickets for June 1st.'
New TV spot with new footage
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/prometheusforum_net_tv_spot_with_new_footage/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/prometheusforum_net_tv_spot_with_new_footage/)
We get a lot of creature shots, so if you guys want to avoid that, I'd say avoid that TV spot above!
But it's a great one, thanks a lot Cory! :)
Some GREAT shots of the Jockey ... but they are showing too damned much, especially of Rapace's birth scene. I'd rather not know about that at all.
Great find Cory. Amazing but very very spoilerish.
Quote from: Cory on May 15, 2012, 09:59:05 AM
New TV spot with new footage
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/prometheusforum_net_tv_spot_with_new_footage/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/prometheusforum_net_tv_spot_with_new_footage/)
Thanks, Cory! ;D I must say that looks pretty great actually. I'd even go so far as to say it's the best TV spot so far. I'm surprised they showed more of the engineers(?) though. I didn't slow it down or go frame by frame but I assume that's what I saw.
Anyway, I have to agree that it's quite spoilerish. I think this may be the clip that forces me to not look at anything else Prometheus related before I get to see the film.
OK, guys from this tv spot it's clear that the twitter girl is spot on. She said that one of the guys bite's the snake and the it starts spraying acid and melts his face. In my opinion there is no doubt what Millburn does next when the snake is in his mouth...
This will definitely bring people to cinemas..
that new footage literally made me squeal with excitement
omg it's awesome! i want it in hd right now!
(and it's still not the tv spot where that screenshot from yesterday is) :laugh:
Spoiler
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yt31hb7jq4sjkx/2012051595000433.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yt31hb7jq4sjkx/2012051595000433.jpg)
Damn, not as big as the one in alien, but bigggg
Download link to the Tv Spot via Keepvid. Same quality. Just Right click and save.
http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metacafe.com%2Fwatch%2F8509167%2Fwww_prometheusforum_net%2F (http://keepvid.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metacafe.com%2Fwatch%2F8509167%2Fwww_prometheusforum_net%2F)
Shaw in the New Zeland Origins feature & this latest spot reminds me far too much of the heroine in that 2009 French film Mutants >:(
It`s first spot I regret watching. But the call it too damn strong :D
Spoiler
the Milburn and Shaw shoots were too much for tv spot
Wow. Just...wow...it looks horrifying.
Quote from: Cory on May 15, 2012, 09:59:05 AM
New TV spot with new footage
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/prometheusforum_net_tv_spot_with_new_footage/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8509167/prometheusforum_net_tv_spot_with_new_footage/)
ok im a bit scared of the unknown, i miss the old well known xeno :D
I wish they'd get rid of the voice of god narration....it doesn't need it.
Nice...
Some shots of the engineer I grapped - beware of spoiler material and sorry for the poor image quality
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2F2q084de.jpg&hash=14ad7e219ee2c38c4f69aa02dc44de9f5f477762)
;)
TV Spot from Thailand FOX (mute the clip)
I think it has 1 new scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXOGDau6RYI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXOGDau6RYI#)
Quote from: Cory on May 15, 2012, 12:32:24 PM
TV Spot from Thailand FOX (mute the clip)
I think it has 1 new scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXOGDau6RYI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXOGDau6RYI#)
At 0:24 therse seems to be a blinding explosion, and what's that at the end 0:29?
And a lot of lolz for the voice over :laugh:
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
Some GREAT shots of the Jockey ... but they are showing too damned much, especially of Rapace's birth scene. I'd rather not know about that at all.
great shots? that thing attacking shaw isn't a jockey it's a human right ?
but the jockey at the door is the one that's in the pilot chamber i think
HD DOWNLOAD LINK ANYONE?
Quote from: zuzuki on May 15, 2012, 11:28:45 AM
Spoiler
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yt31hb7jq4sjkx/2012051595000433.jpg (https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yt31hb7jq4sjkx/2012051595000433.jpg)
Damn, not as big as the one in alien, but bigggg
wow that looks alot like some digital painting somebody posted in the fanart section
Quote from: x-M-x on May 15, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
Some GREAT shots of the Jockey ... but they are showing too damned much, especially of Rapace's birth scene. I'd rather not know about that at all.
great shots? that thing attacking shaw isn't a jockey it's a human right ?
but the jockey at the door is the one that's in the pilot chamber i think
HD DOWNLOAD LINK ANYONE?
It's the jockey, it looks different for a bit because of the lighting in the scene, but then you see him as he is. it's the scene before the one in the trailers with Shaw sitting in the corner screaming with the jockey head in front of her
Another TV spot - 1 new short scene with Vickers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4iEArj28NA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4iEArj28NA#ws)
a week n a half to go
BOO YAH
@ 27 on the Thai trailer - Janek flamerthrowing the shit out of someone (could be Fifield - or some other infected - pretty cool).
Prometheus TV spot 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFMWQ8RM3WU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFMWQ8RM3WU#ws)
from tumblr.... some screenshots
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bd3CP3M1r86b9lo1_1280.png&hash=738e0d77025812f65830df1c2906f39143c69ab2)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bd3CP3M1r86b9lo2_1280.png&hash=8b3cd2a1b900e48dec1f519fce1a1a46a964ed0e)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bd3CP3M1r86b9lo5_1280.png&hash=db1fe6a9ad9d4d42befabccce710bfefe829fa90)
look at his head :o :o
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bko8DJS1r86b9lo5_1280.png&hash=5ce0fd3051e5c130705890c368b955984b6a5334)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bko8DJS1r86b9lo6_1280.png&hash=7cc37d4395dad29a263f5a18ce73e0da81a8ea87) xeno in the making :laugh:
Seeing the Engineer's aggression towards us Earthlings, where does the role of the Sacrifice Engineer fit in then?
hmmm...
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yt31hb7jq4sjkx/2012051595000433.jpg)
Looks like Shaw holding the axe. The guy from the other shot looks messed up a bit - maybe flamethrowered? Anyways - it doesn't look like he wants to kill her - it just looks like he's pissed.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 12:52:11 PM
from tumblr.... some screenshots
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bd3CP3M1r86b9lo1_1280.png&hash=738e0d77025812f65830df1c2906f39143c69ab2)
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(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bd3CP3M1r86b9lo5_1280.png&hash=db1fe6a9ad9d4d42befabccce710bfefe829fa90)
look at his head :o :o
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bko8DJS1r86b9lo5_1280.png&hash=5ce0fd3051e5c130705890c368b955984b6a5334)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bko8DJS1r86b9lo6_1280.png&hash=7cc37d4395dad29a263f5a18ce73e0da81a8ea87) xeno in the making :laugh:
Beat me to it.
Spoiler
Didn't someone claim that they had seen the movie and mentioned that there were beings with weird Pinocchio-like noses.
Looks like they were right.
lol where do you see a pinnochio-like nose?
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 15, 2012, 12:57:00 PM
Seeing the Engineer's aggression towards us Earthlings, where does the role of the Sacrifice Engineer fit in then?
hmmm...
We still don't know if the engineers and space jockeys are actually the same thing. they could be something completely different.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 12:52:11 PM
from tumblr.... some screenshots
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bd3CP3M1r86b9lo1_1280.png&hash=738e0d77025812f65830df1c2906f39143c69ab2)
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look at his head :o :o
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bko8DJS1r86b9lo5_1280.png&hash=5ce0fd3051e5c130705890c368b955984b6a5334)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m42bko8DJS1r86b9lo6_1280.png&hash=7cc37d4395dad29a263f5a18ce73e0da81a8ea87) xeno in the making :laugh:
Im guessing its just lighting, but in the top shot you can see that the SJ no longer has a collar, he has an unmasked "spawn" look. Also in the second shot he has something over his lower face, very "Darth Malgus" looking. Could just be lighting though.
I tried messing with the color settings in the trailer when the lights go out and you should be able to make out the SJ's whole face but they deliberately blacked it all out.
Quote from: Snowdog on May 15, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: cossack0909 on May 15, 2012, 12:57:00 PM
Seeing the Engineer's aggression towards us Earthlings, where does the role of the Sacrifice Engineer fit in then?
hmmm...
We still don't know if the engineers and space jockeys are actually the same thing. they could be something completely different.
hmmmm, the mystery deepens. Can't wait to find out! June 7 seems a century away.
The Jockey looks burned or deformed in its scenes with Shaw. Sure one of the set reports commented on its head being scarred. Looks creepy!
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
The Jockey looks burned or deformed in its scenes with Shaw. Sure one of the set reports commented on its head being scarred. Looks creepy!
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIZzUh.gif&hash=f4c139b08ddd3f5c79b3154c01c4293dd0a90508)
Definitely looks like he´s burned.Or maybe he´s mutating?
Quote from: REDDEVIL on May 15, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
The Jockey looks burned or deformed in its scenes with Shaw. Sure one of the set reports commented on its head being scarred. Looks creepy!
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIZzUh.gif&hash=f4c139b08ddd3f5c79b3154c01c4293dd0a90508)
Definitely looks like he´s burned.Or maybe he´s mutating?
I'd go with burned/has no suit on so his body deteriorates. I guess the subsequent scene is where Shaw is cornered and screaming.
i almost choked on my water when i saw this gif lmfao
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwDSOP.jpg&hash=68a105f641feae1a92d3fd803f5d4d3380af7b9a)
god i am soeasily entertained /forever a child
Quote from: REDDEVIL on May 15, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
The Jockey looks burned or deformed in its scenes with Shaw. Sure one of the set reports commented on its head being scarred. Looks creepy!
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIZzUh.gif&hash=f4c139b08ddd3f5c79b3154c01c4293dd0a90508)
Definitely looks like he´s burned.Or maybe he´s mutating?
Maybe from the crash... but then again, this scene could not take place in the Prometheus
Why SJ is so small? He is about one head higher than Shaw ???
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 01:33:16 PM
i almost choked on my water when i saw this gif lmfao
Spoiler
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FwDSOP.jpg&hash=68a105f641feae1a92d3fd803f5d4d3380af7b9a)
Psychosexual :D
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 01:08:33 PM
lol where do you see a pinnochio-like nose?
The alien being in the last two pictures you posted has a weird Pinnochio-like nose (the one get flamethrowered.
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I'm sure there was a person that mentioned this a while ago when discussing how they had seen the movie. Anyone else remember?
The alien in question:
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A trillion dollars! and those company pricks were complaining about the 42-47 million dollar ship Ripley blew up! How much is Weyland-Yutani worth in this film? A trillion dollars buys you a lot of Nostromos!
That recent TV Spot posted is very cool, I really like what that snake creature can do :).
Quote from: HappyAlien on May 15, 2012, 02:05:05 PM
A trillion dollars! and those company pricks were complaining about the 42-47 million dollar ship Ripley blew up! How much is Weyland-Yutani worth in this film? A trillion dollars buys you a lot of Nostromos!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the line, "42 million in
adjusted dollars"
I'm pretty certain no one thought to ensure continuity on this one tiny point, but it could certainly be rationalised in terms of an 'adjustment' or re-valuation in the 30 years post-Prometheus.
That definitly looks like a burned-up Engineer grabbing Shaw and makes sense with all the flamethrowers in every trailer. Anyway, you can tell by his distinctive pants with their pattern.
Can somebody please post a YouTube link to the latest TV spot (the spoiler heavy one)? I can't watch the current version on my PS3! :'(
Thanks
Quote from: REDDEVIL on May 15, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 15, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
The Jockey looks burned or deformed in its scenes with Shaw. Sure one of the set reports commented on its head being scarred. Looks creepy!
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Definitely looks like he´s burned.Or maybe he´s mutating?
Damn, i dont know...
For me it looks like the guy holding Shaw isnt the engineer that we see in scenes with pilot chair in the trailer. He looks like mutated guy in the wheelchair/weyland .
Quote from: Eva on May 15, 2012, 12:25:16 PM
Nice...
Some shots of the engineer I grapped - beware of spoiler material and sorry for the poor image quality
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Human-sized engineer my ass... ;)
No way that character in the 3rd image is the same size as the burned one.
Look at the shot of vickers running in the same corridor.
I stand on my ground.
The real Engineer gets messed up when he encounter the humans but someone steal his tech and suit.
;)
I guess I'm the only person who didn't find it really spoilerish...
We see a few more shots of the Engineer, which was to be expected still not enough screen time to get any sort of idea about how they interact, intentions, purpose, where they come from, etc.
We see the snake creature and it's doing what everyone expected it to do... nothing really new here.
I was worried when I decided to watch the spot that I was really going to spoil something, and instead I feel like I just got some new footage and am even more excited to see the movie.
Quote from: HappyAlien on May 15, 2012, 02:05:05 PM
A trillion dollars! and those company pricks were complaining about the 42-47 million dollar ship Ripley blew up! How much is Weyland-Yutani worth in this film? A trillion dollars buys you a lot of Nostromos!
Yes. This is kind of true. Let's not forget about inflation/deflation over time though. That and - the Prometheus was an experiment with no purpose of profit. The whole thing, although could have had some significant monetary impact was pretty much a dead investment to begin with. It is like buying a state-of-the-art spaceship with a state-of-the-art laboratory. In comparison the Nostromo was just a like a truck that can travel through space.
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 15, 2012, 02:27:32 PM
I guess I'm the only person who didn't find it really spoilerish...
We see a few more shots of the Engineer, which was to be expected still not enough screen time to get any sort of idea about how they interact, intentions, purpose, where they come from, etc.
We see the snake creature and it's doing what everyone expected it to do... nothing really new here.
I was worried when I decided to watch the spot that I was really going to spoil something, and instead I feel like I just got some new footage and am even more excited to see the movie.
I'm with you there man. We didn't really find out anything we didn't already know.
Engineers attack humans? .................................. Check
Milburn gets attacked by assflower? ..................... Check
Fifield goes bananas and gets flamethrowered? ...... Check
lol this makes me want to see Prometheus even more. If you're going to give mankind the gift of fire; be prepared to be burned.
Vickers' Prometheus Corridor vs "Engineers" Prometheus corridor
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The Engineer in the corridor do seem a bit taller than Vickers but not as much as the one that grabs Shaw or the suits in the juggernaut corridor...
No way one of that suit could fit in that Prometheus corridors...
If it ends being a real Engineer and not a human stealing Engineer tech then mutating Scott really cheated a lot with the size thing.
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Quote from: HappyAlien on May 15, 2012, 02:05:05 PM
A trillion dollars! and those company pricks were complaining about the 42-47 million dollar ship Ripley blew up! How much is Weyland-Yutani worth in this film? A trillion dollars buys you a lot of Nostromos!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the line, "42 million in adjusted dollars"
I'm pretty certain no one thought to ensure continuity on this one tiny point, but it could certainly be rationalised in terms of an 'adjustment' or re-valuation in the 30 years post-Prometheus.
or maybe Vickers was just exaggerating~ when she said that
Maybe the W-Y execs are a lot more cynical and money-grabbing than the pioneering Peter Weyland.
@NGR01 also take into consideration how short Noomi is compared to Charlize
Could be it.
But yet that guy in the corridor is still smaller than the suits in the Juggernaut corridors and i wont even begin to compare him to the one in ALIEN.
Well not long until we know the truth.
Poor Millburn ^^
Hello all,
Great forum. I'm intrigued by one of the shots from the older TV spots, it's where Noomi Raapace collapses, her back to the camera, covered in blood in front of the wheelchair guy, David, and clearly Fifield. Post C-section perhaps. I cannot upload the picture.
My question is, at what point does Fifield go beserk in the timeline of this movie? As he is still normal/unmutated in this picture?? Why is he conspiring with the others on the floor?
Hope I'm not too off topic with this puzzler...!
Quote from: Lally on May 15, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
Hello all,
Great forum. I'm intrigued by one of the shots from the older TV spots, it's where Noomi Raapace collapses, her back to the camera, covered in blood in front of the wheelchair guy, David, and clearly Fifield. Post C-section perhaps. I cannot upload the picture.
My question is, at what point does Fifield go beserk in the timeline of this movie? As he is still normal/unmutated in this picture?? Why is he conspiring with the others on the floor?
Hope I'm not too off topic with this puzzler...!
It's difficult to determine when Fifield mutates without having seen the film. I'm guessing he survives an attack and appears to be normal after seeking treatment and then the infection hits him later.
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Poor Milburn isn't as lucky though.
Herm. Kinda looks like Weyland mutates into the Engineer, or some other crew member does. :-\
Quote from: Lally on May 15, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
Hello all,
Great forum. I'm intrigued by one of the shots from the older TV spots, it's where Noomi Raapace collapses, her back to the camera, covered in blood in front of the wheelchair guy, David, and clearly Fifield. Post C-section perhaps. I cannot upload the picture.
My question is, at what point does Fifield go beserk in the timeline of this movie? As he is still normal/unmutated in this picture?? Why is he conspiring with the others on the floor?
Hope I'm not too off topic with this puzzler...!
Hi! Welcome. I think the guy you are reffering to isnt fifield, I just wathced the the first teaser and it seemed like a merc or a medic, but not fifield.
BTW, again I have to say that there is serious proof here that what the twitter chick has been saying is true and I have to say apart from knowing it which i dont like, I love the story and cant wait to see the movie.......
i dont get it...so why did these alien beings came to Earth long-long years ago and teach us to build and to think and whatsoever if they dont want to greet us with a bottle of bear at their home???
Why do some of you keep calling it the birth scene? It looks more like "The abortion Scene" since she really wants it out.....
Quote from: szkoki on May 15, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
i dont get it...so why did these alien beings came to Earth long-long years ago and teach us to build and to think and whatsoever if they dont want to greet us with a bottle of bear at their home???
A bottle of bear... that sounds awful...
Do you grind it up to put it in the bottle? Must be a european thing... ;)
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He looks like nemesis from resident evil 3. Stars.
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http://images.wikia.com/villains/images/1/1a/Resident-evil-nemesis2.jpg
I'm pretty sure we haven't seen whatever the birth scene is, I think this is like what some nice poster above me said; An abortion scene.
That said, this didn't seem to spoiler-y to me in fact the new shots of the Jockey were so quick I had to watch it multiple times to catch it. From what I can see, I really love the design! so creepy and ominous.
He's a big boy too. About 10 feet maybe 11 since it looks like he's hunkering down a good bit to get through that doorway.
If I remember correctly, the original Jockey was only supposed to be 13 feet tall when outside the chair.
The new bits with Milburn look...so disgusting and disturbing...like facehugger levels of disturbing for me.
I'm excited as always.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 15, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Herm. Kinda looks like Weyland mutates into the Engineer, or some other crew member does. :-\
It is likely indeed that Weyland or Holloway mutates into a pseudo engineer.
The good news could be that we haven't seen a true engineer, if one appears in the movie at all, yet.
I sure hope that the being attacking Shaw is not a true engineer unless he is merely playing with her.
I would find pathetic that a supposedly superior being can not do anything more impressive than a quite primitive melee attack.
Seriously question though....when do we figure these scenes take place? And does this kinda confirm their might be 2 jockeys or a jockey and a crew member mutating into them?
One of the Jockey's probably dies in the collision. Or at least the prometheus looks too f**ked up after that to have these scenes take place on it. We know it includes vickers quarters [you can see the chandler] so it sounds pre-them flying into the juggernaut. But it doesn't feel like that? Does that make any sense?
Man, Fifield's head is really fkd up. :o
It took me a while to figure out what I was looking at.
Quote from: timiteh on May 15, 2012, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 15, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Herm. Kinda looks like Weyland mutates into the Engineer, or some other crew member does. :-\
It is likely indeed that Weyland or Holloway mutates into a pseudo engineer.
The good news could be that we haven't seen a true engineer, if one appears in the movie at all, yet.
I sure hope that the being attacking Shaw is not a true engineer unless he is merely playing with her.
I would find pathetic that a supposedly superior being can not do anything more impressive than a quite primitive melee attack.
And a lot of us would find it stupid if they used anything psychic. Just because they have superior intellect and tech doesn't mean they should be in the f**king x-men.
Looks almost post crash now that i am looking. How does a chandler survive that?
im starting to be pretty sure about this scenario regarding the trailers
- Holloway gets infected 1st in the temple
- the bring him back somehow to the ship to help him
- he seems fine, no infection at all
- they celebrating that with a sex party with Shaw
- Charlie wakes up in the middle of the night, he doesnt looks so good
- walks to the bathroom, checking his eye...something wrong
- ???
- he is mutating into something and start having an alien party
- Shaw feels sick and runs to the surgery because Charlie planted a seed in heer during that wild night
- she wants to have a quick surgery before their first and last child pops out
any thoughts?
Quote from: fiveways on May 15, 2012, 05:06:07 PM
Quote from: timiteh on May 15, 2012, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 15, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Herm. Kinda looks like Weyland mutates into the Engineer, or some other crew member does. :-\
It is likely indeed that Weyland or Holloway mutates into a pseudo engineer.
The good news could be that we haven't seen a true engineer, if one appears in the movie at all, yet.
I sure hope that the being attacking Shaw is not a true engineer unless he is merely playing with her.
I would find pathetic that a supposedly superior being can not do anything more impressive than a quite primitive melee attack.
And a lot of us would find it stupid if they used anything psychic. Just because they have superior intellect and tech doesn't mean they should be in the f**king x-men.
Why do they need to be x-men or beings with psychic powers similar to those of the X-men or others super heroes ?
This is not just for you, but it is a bit tiring the lack of imagination and of creativity regarding superior beings.
I suggest you to read some articles on this site:
http://www.futuretimeline.net/ (http://www.futuretimeline.net/)
They just need to have technology which looks like magic for humans like some kind of mind controled nanotechnology or some smart uses of magnetic based or sound based weapons.
They could also use tech gravity based or able to alter space time in a very localised way.
Anything but not primitive physical attacks.
Btw, what make you think that it will not be possible to simulate X-men or even superman like powers in the future with technology ?
I have been always disapointed by the fact that none incarnation of superman has a least some of his powers technology based. I mean it is not as if Kryptonians were not way more advanced than human in technology.
Quote from: szkoki on May 15, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
i dont get it...so why did these alien beings came to Earth long-long years ago and teach us to build and to think and whatsoever if they dont want to greet us with a bottle of bear at their home???
I think that the humans are not very friendly when they meet the surviving Engineer.
Like i said before i think that the first encounter with him goes bad, Ford gets killed, Mercs probably shoot at him, he's brought back to the ship where he's analysed, seen as a specimen.
His DNA analysed, maybe used by Weyland to impregnate himself even.
Weyland and his men probably treat him like shit making him very angry toward our race.
Hmm. Burned and big but not too big SJ thing. I'm wondering if that's Holloway. Narratively it would be interesting to have Shaw/Holloway end up going from lovers to antagonists. I see no reason why an infected Holloway wouldn't slow grow in size, accouting for the bigger than a man but smaller than an original SJ. I figure he's get's toasted but not killed in the big fight and manages to escape the ship - Fifield getting totally toasted.
While shots have been shown of Holloway in early stages of something there's a suspicious lack of any other shots bar the SJ images. Fifield meanwhile has been shown a number of times clearly mutating - I think because he's gets killed early on while Holloway continues to mutate further.
Or maybe I'm miles off. The damn sequence of events is hard to pin down overall. Very clever cutting on the trailers so far. Giving some info, allowing for some understanding of a few sequences but actually hiding (so far) the overall structure pretty damn well I'd say.
Quote from: timiteh on May 15, 2012, 05:37:31 PM
Quote from: fiveways on May 15, 2012, 05:06:07 PM
Quote from: timiteh on May 15, 2012, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: Cvalda on May 15, 2012, 04:14:48 PM
Herm. Kinda looks like Weyland mutates into the Engineer, or some other crew member does. :-\
It is likely indeed that Weyland or Holloway mutates into a pseudo engineer.
The good news could be that we haven't seen a true engineer, if one appears in the movie at all, yet.
I sure hope that the being attacking Shaw is not a true engineer unless he is merely playing with her.
I would find pathetic that a supposedly superior being can not do anything more impressive than a quite primitive melee attack.
And a lot of us would find it stupid if they used anything psychic. Just because they have superior intellect and tech doesn't mean they should be in the f**king x-men.
Why do they need to be x-men or beings with psychic powers similar to those of the X-men or others super heroes ?
This is not just for you, but it is a bit tiring the lack of imagination and of creativity regarding superior beings.
I suggest you to read some articles on this site:
http://www.futuretimeline.net/ (http://www.futuretimeline.net/)
They just need to have technology which looks like magic for humans like some kind of mind controled nanotechnology or some smart uses of magnetic based or sound based weapons.
They could also use tech gravity based or able to alter space time in a very localised way.
Anything but not primitive physical attacks.
Btw, what make you think that it will not be possible to simulate X-men or even superman like powers in the future with technology ?
I have been always disapointed by the fact that none incarnation of superman has a least some of his powers technology based. I mean it is not as if Kryptonians were not way more advanced than human in technology.
What makes me think it? Because I think we will all die of cancer or global disaster by then. Just me. If we do manage to it won't be in my lifetime.
Plus, I hate when you give a space creature those sorts of powers and they still are defeated. The creature would just rip her limb from limb with his mind. Why bother playing with creatures that obviously can pose some threat. And the over confident creature thing is so played out. So make it only slightly more powerful, make it so the characters seem like they have a legit chance against it. Also works better for suspense.
I do understand the super power thing, don't get me wrong. This to me isn't the movie to use it in. Just screams "too much" at that point.
What's interesting is how Shaw became impregnated. In one of the trailers we see her and Hollowy embrace, like preluding sex. Looking at them, this is after they return from the temple and after Holloway is infected. So it seems that he knocks her up with his infected sperm, leading to the... y'know.
I don't mind a showdown between Shaw and the engineer coming down to some quite primitive display of power. Consider the implications of the engineer (who might turn out to be Shaws God/maker in a more literal sense than you would guess), attempting to essentially rape her in that scene... :o
Much more horrifying than if he just pulls out his plasma-phased, photon-torpedo shooter...
Aliens with vastly superior weapons/rayguns/blowing up the white house for the 67th time has been done to death and it usually sucks bigtime.
It's kinda hard to imagine how anyone would be in the mood for sex after being exposed to something as nasty as what they encounter in the temple.
Unless they are under some sort of influence. (other than their space hormones)
The video from which
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Milburn gets a mouthful and the Jockey shoves Shaw.
Where is that now?
It seems to have been taken down. Was it an official tv spot?
I'm guessing the burnt SJ is post-Juggernaut crash. EW set reports in the latest issue indicated that they were filming an outdoor scene in which Shaw is being chased by something, ostensibly back into whatever is left of Prometheus. I'd imagine Mr. Engineer being rather irate at his ship being rammed.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 15, 2012, 06:38:57 PM
It seems to have been taken down. Was it an official tv spot?
It was. But there is a link a few pages back that takes you to a page that allows you to download a downloader to download the video. ::)
Or you can go to AICN.com and see their little imbed. ;D Like I just did.
^^ Yeah - the new clip has been removed, but I seem to remember seeing Shaw running wild inside a Juggernaut corridor, looking over her shoulder as if she's being chased by someone.
I'd guess she gets some gear from the lifeboat after the collision, enters the crashed Juggernaut (the pic I uploaded yesterday) and she runs into the surviving engineer, who chases her back to the lifeboat. That leaves Vickers... where would she be in all of this...?
Quote from: fiveways on May 15, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
What makes me think it? Because I think we will all die of cancer or global disaster by then. Just me. If we do manage to it won't be in my lifetime.
Well, this one of my problem with the timeline of Prometheus.
I doubt that we will achieve interstellar travel before at least several hundred of years. And when we will be there i think we will have way better day to day technology then what is shown in the movie.
Quote from: fiveways on May 15, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Plus, I hate when you give a space creature those sorts of powers and they still are defeated. The creature would just rip her limb from limb with his mind. Why bother playing with creatures that obviously can pose some threat. And the over confident creature thing is so played out. So make it only slightly more powerful, make it so the characters seem like they have a legit chance against it. Also works better for suspense.
I agree but it is not realistic to have Space Jockeys/engineers be just slighty more powerful than human unless there is a good and believable reason for that, like if they brutally devolve.
As i said, i really hope that the creature attacking Shaw is not a true engineer as otherwises i will be very disapointed if there is no logic reason for him to behave this way.
Quote from: fiveways on May 15, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
I do understand the super power thing, don't get me wrong. This to me isn't the movie to use it in. Just screams "too much" at that point.
To the contrary, i think that it is a movie to use advanced technology which mimic magic and super powers but perhaps not in a directly lethal way.
Btw, the biotech of the Space Jockey from what we have seen up to now mimic witchcraft and curse.
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on May 15, 2012, 06:41:46 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 15, 2012, 06:38:57 PM
It seems to have been taken down. Was it an official tv spot?
It was. But there is a link a few pages back that takes you to a page that allows you to download a downloader to download the video. ::)
Or you can go to AICN.com and see their little imbed. ;D Like I just did.
Okay cool. Thanks. :)
Quote from: fiveways on May 15, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Plus, I hate when you give a space creature those sorts of powers and they still are defeated. The creature would just rip her limb from limb with his mind. Why bother playing with creatures that obviously can pose some threat. And the over confident creature thing is so played out. So make it only slightly more powerful, make it so the characters seem like they have a legit chance against it. Also works better for suspense.
I do understand the super power thing, don't get me wrong. This to me isn't the movie to use it in. Just screams "too much" at that point.
Giving the engineers psychic abilities would actually work quite well if you think about it...
Everyone is worried about how the Engineers will communicate, no one wants an english speaking alien, etc. If they were able to project communication directly into the crews brain, then we wouldn't have to worry about communication anymore. The crew would know what they were being told and would be able to carry some dialogue that let the viewer in on the conversation.
Next it would help explain another way that David is so important, psychic powers wouldn't have any effect on a robot. This would make David extremely useful in dealing with the engineers. It might also aggravate them quite bit, not having the same sort of power in dealing with him.
I'm not speculating that this is how things will go, but it would fit pretty well.
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Quote from: szkoki on May 15, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
i dont get it...so why did these alien beings came to Earth long-long years ago and teach us to build and to think and whatsoever if they dont want to greet us with a bottle of bear at their home???
I think that the humans are not very friendly when they meet the surviving Engineer.
Like i said before i think that the first encounter with him goes bad, Ford gets killed, Mercs probably shoot at him, he's brought back to the ship where he's analysed, seen as a specimen.
His DNA analysed, maybe used by Weyland to impregnate himself even.
Weyland and his men probably treat him like shit making him very angry toward our race.
So you tell me that an obviously superior specie cant take a step back and think about who is evil and who is not?
It dont pop in his mind that not everyone wants to benifit from his technology or not everyone want to steal from him?
hmmm then here is my call..."kill everything, do you copy me!?" :laugh:
Quote from: tonyt2000 on May 15, 2012, 06:40:18 PM
I'm guessing the burnt SJ is post-Juggernaut crash. EW set reports in the latest issue indicated that they were filming an outdoor scene in which Shaw is being chased by something, ostensibly back into whatever is left of Prometheus. I'd imagine Mr. Engineer being rather irate at his ship being rammed.
But... the prometheus rammed into the juggernaught. And the scene takes place INSIDE the Prometheus, so it couldnt be AFTER the juggernaught was rammed cause, ofcourse, the collision destroyed the Prometheus.
I think it's Weyland. How come the Engineer is still alive if his race is billions years old? I'm guessing through his bodysuit technology that's keeping him alive or something. Weyland with his God/eternal life delusion stole that thing and put it on, and changed. I doooooonnn't knoowwww!!
All of that looks interesting, but I'm still not convinced that's the Jockey. It looks like a mutated human. We'll just have to wait and see.
Quote from: NGR01 on May 15, 2012, 03:02:17 PM
Vickers' Prometheus Corridor vs "Engineers" Prometheus corridor
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The Engineer in the corridor do seem a bit taller than Vickers but not as much as the one that grabs Shaw or the suits in the juggernaut corridor...
No way one of that suit could fit in that Prometheus corridors...
If it ends being a real Engineer and not a human stealing Engineer tech then mutating Scott really cheated a lot with the size thing.
Theron is considerably taller than Rapace. That and Theron is some distance away from the door, toward the camera which may make her look bigger.
For one reason or another however - it does SEEM like there are in fact two different types of Jockeys.
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Could it not be that there are only three SJs listed because the ones that are listed as infected are not played by people, nor are considered SJs in the casting?
Quote from: Vickers on May 15, 2012, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: Lally on May 15, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
Hello all,
Great forum. I'm intrigued by one of the shots from the older TV spots, it's where Noomi Raapace collapses, her back to the camera, covered in blood in front of the wheelchair guy, David, and clearly Fifield. Post C-section perhaps. I cannot upload the picture.
My question is, at what point does Fifield go beserk in the timeline of this movie? As he is still normal/unmutated in this picture?? Why is he conspiring with the others on the floor?
Hope I'm not too off topic with this puzzler...!
It's difficult to determine when Fifield mutates without having seen the film. I'm guessing he survives an attack and appears to be normal after seeking treatment and then the infection hits him later. Spoiler
Poor Milburn isn't as lucky though.
I guessed it - Milburn dies first.
Quote from: Symn on May 15, 2012, 06:53:57 PM
But... the prometheus rammed into the juggernaught. And the scene takes place INSIDE the Prometheus, so it couldnt be AFTER the juggernaught was rammed cause, ofcourse, the collision destroyed the Prometheus.
I think it's Weyland. How come the Engineer is still alive if his race is billions years old? I'm guessing through his bodysuit technology that's keeping him alive or something. Weyland with his God/eternal life delusion stole that thing and put it on, and changed. I doooooonnn't knoowwww!!
A lifeboat module detaches from the Prometheus seconds prior to the collision. It's apparently a large chunk of the aft section, including Vickers quarters, cryotubes and more...
I believe Ridley & co has confirmed that the team will encounter a (last) surviving engineer... no mutated human.
Quote from: Eva on May 15, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
I don't mind a showdown between Shaw and the engineer coming down to some quite primitive display of power. Consider the implications of the engineer (who might turn out to be Shaws God/maker in a more literal sense than you would guess), attempting to essentially rape her in that scene... :o
Much more horrifying than if he just pulls out his plasma-phased, photon-torpedo shooter...
Such a behavior would make the engineer a bit too human for my taste.
Sure it would be horrifying, but alien trying to rape and have relation sex with a woman is not that original.
Quote from: Eva on May 15, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
Aliens with vastly superior weapons/rayguns/blowing up the white house for the 67th time has been done to death and it usually sucks bigtime.
As i said earlier, i am myself quite irritating by the lack of imagination/creativity of authors regarding advanced beings.
For me a superior being will not use raygun or even seen to death unoriginal weapon.
It could use smart sound based weapon to generate virtual and invisible objects from thin air.
It could use sensor which enable it to perceive the whole E.M spectrum , the whole sound spectrum and to study its environment down to the subatomic level.
It could use tech which would affect the nerve system of humans and turn them litterally in puppets or generate hallucinations by hacking the connections between the sense and the brain.
It could use nanotechnology to alter/mutate humans in real time to whatever it wants, simulate telekinesy/psychokinesy, pyrokinesy, alter the environment in real time,etc..
There a lot of things a superior being could do without falling in the usual cliche of Aliens movies up to now.
And the most horrifying could be that it uses all this kind of tech not to kill humans but just to play with them because it seeks entertainment and when it find it no more funny, it can restore human to their initial state and let them go while having them remember any single thing it did to them. Imagine how terrifying it would be for those who would be the victims of such a being if they do not become insane.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 15, 2012, 06:54:20 PM
All of that looks interesting, but I'm still not convinced that's the Jockey. It looks like a mutated human. We'll just have to wait and see.
I sure hope that this is not the jockey/engineer.
I too think its Holloway. For the emotional impact between Shaw and himself and for the fact they are keeping his mutation a bit of a secret.
To me I'm starting to wonder if the actual Jockey doesn't show up until the very end. Could be a possibility?
I have to say, I've been waiting for an experience like this my entire life (in terms of film going). I went to film school in part because of Ridley Scott. I'm 36 and the only alien film I've ever seen in theaters was ALIEN Resurrection (I was 16 and growing up in the church when ALIEN3 came out and i was not allowed) which of course was a colossal let down.
If Prometheus delivers the goods, it will change yet again the genre of science fiction forever and I along with others will have witnessed it. These are such exciting times.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 15, 2012, 06:54:20 PM
All of that looks interesting, but I'm still not convinced that's the Jockey. It looks like a mutated human. We'll just have to wait and see.
Well whatever you want to perceive the 'Space Jockey' as being is still up in the air until the movie comes out, but this "mutated human" is an Engineer, and it certainly dons a suit irrefutably similar to the creature in Alien's.
honestly, i can't roll my eyes enough at the rape speculations, it's so weird that so many people here are saying it possible. why are you so obsessed with her being raped omg?
and why would that creature even do that?
@Space Sweeper
Maybe the Engineers just work the ship and maybe they are smaller but I'm starting to think we haven't even see the actual Jockey yet. I mean why show that in any of the promotional material? That would be a great surprise for the audience. Of course I'm just theorizing.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 08:56:25 PM
honestly, i can't roll my eyes enough at the rape speculations, it's so weird that so many people here are saying it possible. why are you so obsessed with her being raped omg?
and why would that creature even do that?
When Shaw was seen with something growing up in her belly it was clear that she was insiminated in some way.
Then we saw her all bloody running in the Prometheus corridors, so the insimination had to take place in the human ship and could have been rough.
Then there was this shot of holloway waking up near a woman body.
At that time we did not knew that she was romantically involved with Holloway.
Hence the idea of insimination by rape from a possibly mutated crew member
Then we saw Holloway eye shot and finally that he was involved with Shaw.
Now it's safe to assume that she gets knocked out by mutated Holloway while making love.
But i would have loved to see Shaw getting knocked up by a vicious xeno like creature, urutsukidoji like f**k up shit.
It's not like the ALIEN universe is full of weird sex connotations. Just look at the serpent when his head is not open ^^
Millburn is giving the blowjob of his life ^^
Meh... Nothing special. Just one new shot of the
proper creature (or at least, some sort of early-ish stage) - and even that's fleeting. I've got zero interest in all the
Spoiler
mutated human
stuff we've known about for months.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 15, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
Meh... Nothing special. Just one new shot of the proper creature (or at least, some sort of early-ish stage) - and even that's fleeting. I've got zero interest in all the Spoiler
mutated human
Amen, brother.
Fifield?
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 08:56:25 PM
honestly, i can't roll my eyes enough at the rape speculations, it's so weird that so many people here are saying it possible. why are you so obsessed with her being raped omg?
and why would that creature even do that?
The reason
I use that term, is essentially because Alien is a psycho-sexual nightmare if there ever was one. I believe both Ridley, John Hurt, Dan O'Bannon and others have been pretty straightforward with what's happening to Kane in that film - he's raped, pure and simple.
It
might not be a term that has any validity in Prometheus... but I don't know what else to call those creatures attacking the humans...impregnating Shaw... infection doesn't cover it for me... engineer biomechanoid creatures fusing with humans...? I dunno... While I don't know what that approaching engineer is going to do with a cornered Shaw, I doubt he's going to use harsh language on her...
Well if the engineers serve something else. What is that something else? The super-xenos weve been hearing about?
Funny how the Weyland website has so many sections closed off with 'Classified' headings, yet they pretty much give away the farm in that commercial.
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 15, 2012, 10:17:04 PM
Funny how the Weyland website has so many sections closed off with 'Classified' headings, yet they pretty much give away the farm in that commercial.
Considering that that side of the panel also has Mission Objectives in it, along with other pics from the planet we don't get anywhere else - I am guessing we will see what their discoveries are once the movie is released more or less worldwide. So I think the exact opposite is going on. They are classified because they are objects not yet revealed by the trailers.
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 15, 2012, 07:14:03 PM
I too think its Holloway. For the emotional impact between Shaw and himself and for the fact they are keeping his mutation a bit of a secret.
I totally buy this. During every character interview - they say the one thing that sums their character up. For Shaw it was that she is a survivor, for Janek it was that he makes a choice that reflects his principles, for Vickers it is that she has an agenda, and for Holloway - it was that he wants to stand next to his gods, not under them. He also is said to have a leap before you leap mindset.
Yeah I think Holloway goescon full mutie mode by the end. He wants Shaw to go with him but she knows what he represents. He wants to be equal to the Gods not just meet them or serve them. It could make for an interesting 2 way ego fest between Holloway & Weyland.
That's it, space jockey's are people and anything else we find in space is deadly. There is nothing that's friendly.
Also maybe the space jockey is human sized because a 12ft jockey wouldn't fit in the ship. :P
the snake thing going into holloways mouth,sick!
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 08:56:25 PM
honestly, i can't roll my eyes enough at the rape speculations, it's so weird that so many people here are saying it possible. why are you so obsessed with her being raped omg?
and why would that creature even do that?
Haha, this right here.
Quote from: Vepariga on May 15, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
the snake thing going into holloways mouth,sick!
Its Fifield. Hes the only one with glasses.
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 15, 2012, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: Vepariga on May 15, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
the snake thing going into holloways mouth,sick!
Its Fifield. Hes the only one with glasses.
I thought that was Milburn (the one with the glasses)? I am confused. LOL
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 15, 2012, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: Vepariga on May 15, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
the snake thing going into holloways mouth,sick!
Its Fifield. Hes the only one with glasses.
You've got yourself confused :P
Fifield = Red hair with mohawk.
Millburn = Glasses.
Quote from: Deuterium on May 15, 2012, 11:29:21 PM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 15, 2012, 11:28:02 PM
...
I thought that was Milburn (the one with the glasses)? I am confused. LOL
Don't worry. You're as sane as ever :)
Milburn for me.
Yup its Milburn! Sorry brain went out to lunch there. Snakes on the brain!
My screengrabs of new stuff from this t.v spot:
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I don't think this is a proper scene. There seemed to be a lot of missing space between those shots.
Some other helpful things :)
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I also have this theory that Ripley thinks that fire can destroy anything. That is, that thigh temperatures are a sort of universal weapon against anything. I can't remember what it was exactly that lead me to believe that - other than that he uses flamethrowers here and in Alien. I think it was something that he said once - that the Alien was only killed once the jet thrusters melted it down - otherwise the grapple gun and other projectiles do not have such a strong effect on its physiology.
Milburn with that snake around his head looks like Jabba the Hutts henchman! I always wondered what those Twi'leks did with those tentacles! ;D
Where the hell was this screengrab from? I haven't seen the tv spot for this one!
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Quote from: Qwertify on May 15, 2012, 11:55:26 PM
Spoiler
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^ Yeah - was about to ask the same :o
That's inside Vickers quaters with the chandelier...
(ps: you might wanna put the pic in spoilertags ;))
Quote from: Ballzanya on May 16, 2012, 12:09:27 AM
Where the hell was this screengrab from? I haven't seen the tv spot for this one!
Spoiler
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I think this was a camera photo from a Chinese trailer that they showed at some other movie premier.
This on page 13. I could be wrong about the source - sorry if I am.
Spoiler
Quote from: zuzuki on May 15, 2012, 11:28:45 AM
Spoiler
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Damn, not as big as the one in alien, but bigggg
Looks like that Space Jockey is attacking them for something.
Maybe they stole the ship from it?.
Damn the internet. I feel like I've seen the bulk of the film already (which is ridiculous, but hey). I'll be watching it and waiting the entire time for that next bit that I know is about to happen... and it's my own god-damned fault!
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No, I blame you guys. All of you. ;D
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 12:16:20 AM
Damn the internet. I feel like I've seen the bulk of the film already (which is ridiculous, but hey). I'll be watching it and waiting the entire time for that next bit that I know is about to happen, and it's my own god-damned fault!
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzTBtsxsZrufPd6vntSLeF7OQ0FRdB9RF1e4KQ45v2WUeABOX8
Seeing a spoiler you're not sure you wanted to see is only a regret for like 20 minutes. Then you realize you
still don't know 80% of the plot and scenes.
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;D
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Meh, I got nothin... ;D
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 12:16:20 AM
Damn the internet. I feel like I've seen the bulk of the film already (which is ridiculous, but hey). I'll be watching it and waiting the entire time for that next bit that I know is about to happen... and it's my own god-damned fault!
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzTBtsxsZrufPd6vntSLeF7OQ0FRdB9RF1e4KQ45v2WUeABOX8
No, I blame you guys. All of you. ;D
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Everytime I see a spoiler - I die a little inside.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 12:25:47 AM
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;D
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Why - why did I have to visit the forum?
Couldn't I wait just two more weeks?
I can't believe they showed the snake going into the mouth in the trailers. It's so much better if you've seen at least a little more of the full scene. I thought there was a good reason I couldn't talk about seeing only snippets of that scene in a survey group. I still think the twitter girl has only seen certain scenes, additional snippets and the early test trailers, as well as what we've all seen now/figured out now. Her description of what happens in this scene is somewhat off.
Quote from: Malakak on May 16, 2012, 12:40:43 AM
I can't believe they showed the snake going into the mouth in the trailers. It's so much better if you've seen at least a little more of the full scene. I thought there was a good reason I couldn't talk about seeing only snippets of that scene in a survey group. I still think the twitter girl has only seen certain scenes, additional snippets and the early test trailers, as well as what we've all seen now/figured out now. Her description of what happens in this scene is somewhat off.
What happens in this scene?
Quote from: Malakak on May 16, 2012, 12:40:43 AMI can't believe they showed the snake going into the mouth in the trailers.
Yeah, talk about taking the sting out of it. At least with the twitter spoilers there was always a doubt in mind, but now it's a foregone conclusion. I am still interested to know what they do to their victims once they get inside though. Hopefully something parasitic like laying eggs or birthing more creatures (which fits with the biology that we know), rather than cause some kind of arbitrary mutation.
I love your avatar and signature, Qwertify. ;D
Shit. I'm really spoiling this for myself now :-[
Remember when this is all we had?...
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I said to myself last July that I couldn't wait for the trailer. THREE trailers, countless trailers for trailers, commercials, extensive featurettes, virals upon virals upon virals, magazine covers, soundtracks, two million Lindelof tweets and five thousand high definition screen shots of Sean Harris's haircut later and I CANNOT STOP :'( :'(
Other than a few things here and there what's really been spoiled? I'm still lost in the dark about this movie's story. :-\
Another reason why i think its Holloway and not the Engineer in the screen grabs is if you look at the screen grab 7 down the skin colour is human flesh coloured, taking into account the yellow light bouncing off the skin. I read the Engineers skin is a pale blue. Everything else in that shot is the same monochrome blue.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 12:52:28 AM
Quote from: Malakak on May 16, 2012, 12:40:43 AMI can't believe they showed the snake going into the mouth in the trailers.
Yeah, talk about taking the sting out of it. At least with the twitter spoilers there was always a doubt in mind, but now it's a foregone conclusion. I am still interested to know what they do to their victims once they get inside though. Hopefully something parasitic like laying eggs or birthing more creatures (which fits with the biology that we know), rather than cause some kind of arbitrary mutation.
Not sure if it is a foregone conclusion. I mean - I was always pretty sure they went down your mouth. I mean, considering Scott's mindset about the original facehugger - you would just know that he would want the new creature to infect you either by going down you mouth or by other means, other biological canals. I also believe that a number of people thought that this was likely to be the case as well, especially as that audio clip came out. So if you conclude that infection is likely through the mouth then connect that scene with the one where Milburn gets burned - it is nothing mind blowing if you were able to predict that. For me - everything is still all up in the air.
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 16, 2012, 01:03:25 AM
Other than a few things here and there what's really been spoiled? I'm still lost in the dark about this movie's story. :-\
That's the sense of optimism i'm sorely lacking today. I think I'm just overloaded (soundtrack release, Engineer pictures).
I'm not blessed with a photographic memory, so here's hoping tomorrow morning I can't remember a damn thing ;)
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 16, 2012, 12:56:36 AM
I love your avatar and signature, Qwertify. ;D
Thanks Sweep! ;D ;D ;D
The beauty of this new spoilerific (sorta) tv spot is that with the exception of the hammer hugger face rape image (which is now forever burned into my consciousness) I really don't know what I've seen. You don't get a full on look at the Jockey...it's just a blurb running and picking up Shaw. That's about it.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 12:52:28 AM
Quote from: Malakak on May 16, 2012, 12:40:43 AMI can't believe they showed the snake going into the mouth in the trailers.
Yeah, talk about taking the sting out of it. At least with the twitter spoilers there was always a doubt in mind, but now it's a foregone conclusion. I am still interested to know what they do to their victims once they get inside though. Hopefully something parasitic like laying eggs or birthing more creatures (which fits with the biology that we know), rather than cause some kind of arbitrary mutation.
so is this twittter girl true or what? it seems like the guys at the other forum know far more than they revealed publicly
QuoteBut to get to the heart of your question: The report above doesn't corroborate with what I've been told in private by three different sources who I all trust. And yes, I've withheld many things because of times like this.-viscal
kinda unfair to withold information like that
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 01:07:10 AMNot sure if it is a foregone conclusion. I mean - I was always pretty sure they went down your mouth.
I guess it had crossed my mind. It's more about knowing who it happens to and how that is the problem. I wouldn't be complaining if it was a leak that I read (because then it would be my own darn fault for chasing it up), but this is official stuff. Maybe Fox should start releasing spoiler warnings with their advertising. ;)
Quote from: Ron Swanston on May 16, 2012, 01:26:17 AMso is this twittter girl true or what? it seems like the guys at the other forum know far more than they revealed publicly
Unknown.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 01:27:08 AM
I guess it had crossed my mind. It's more about knowing who it happens to and how that is the problem. I wouldn't be complaining if it was a leak that I read (because then it would be my own darn fault for chasing it up), but this is official stuff. Maybe Fox should start releasing spoiler warnings with their advertising. ;)
Yeah - perhaps they could have withheld that. I keep telling myself - that no matter how much they reveal - there will still be a main course in terms of viewing the actual film. Now I just look at it this way - the more I see in the trailers or TV spots, the less novel material there will be for the actual film viewing. The snake thing may - may have been crossing the line. I think just more mysterious scenes would be better - like people running through a caverns, dim shots and nothing more.
Best thing to do is just don't watch actual clips. I haven't watched the one that's been released and I won't watch anymore that will be. And if there's a Redband trailer towards the end, definitley avoid that!!!!
There is a humorous parallel to the Prometheus myth in all of this. ;D
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 02:00:58 AM
There is a humorous parallel to the Prometheus myth in all of this. ;D
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Just kidding everyone - there is no Alien DNA.
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Man this going to be the best sci fi film up to date
eww what the frak is that snake thing? poor guy
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By clicking every spoiler button and analyzing every frame of every single trailer and TV spot we are like the humans in this film. There are some things you really shouldn't know. ;D
Is there an HD version of this available for download yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGs3F1sFhrc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGs3F1sFhrc#ws)
best that I can find for now. Goes up to 720p.
^ awesome thank you
I like Idris Elba's 'Ddddddddsssaaahhhh' scream that they meddled with :laugh:
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 16, 2012, 02:57:42 AM
I like Idris Elba's 'Ddddddddsssaaahhhh' scream that they meddled with :laugh:
I think in some Russian translation - they did a clean translation of "Let's Go!"
If not - my theory is that he is saying "Shaw" as a part of some message to her. I assume she is the one who convinces him to fly into the alien ship rather than going home as Vickers wants.
Anyways - very cool. I am really liking Elba's acting and his character.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 03:04:57 AM
Anyways - very cool. I am really liking Elba's acting and his character.
Thank god I'm not the only one. He's got a really nice swagger to him, like he just wakes up in the morning, gets a cup of coffee, goes to the bridge and gets right to work; just another day.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 16, 2012, 02:57:42 AMI like Idris Elba's 'Ddddddddsssaaahhhh' scream that they meddled with :laugh:
I remember another trailer where he yells 'heads up!' there. Much cooler.
I wonder if him saying "shaw!" or "heaadssuuuuuuup" is when shaw is wandering outside in the storm and gets blown back by the wind ala the very fist pic we saw of the movie last summer?
Well we now know one thing.
Spoiler
Its clear Fi- sorry Milburn says 'its in my suit' and not 'its in my throat!' How can you talk with a Xenodongolike that in yer gullet!!
And also regarding the 'it's in my suit scene'...
Spoiler
I bet somebody is going to rule 34 the shit out of that in some demented corner of deviant art
I mean, look at the milburn gif, the jobs pretty much already done!
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 16, 2012, 03:13:28 AM
Well we now know one thing.
Spoiler
Its clear Fi- sorry Milburn says 'its in my suit' and not 'its in my throat!' How can you talk with a Xenodongolike that in yer gullet!!
Also - anybody over 80 who saw this trailer isn't going to buy a ticket.
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on May 16, 2012, 03:18:19 AM
And also regarding the 'it's in my suit scene'...
Spoiler
I bet somebody is going to rule 34 the shit out of that in some demented corner of deviant art
Yeah, well rule 34 is rule 34. Actually I had considered that Ridley might try to get the snake to find an alternate route. I only suspected this because I know that originally Ridley wanted homophobic men to vomit in their seats with the facehugger thing - just as sort of a bar to reach in terms of how freaky or nasty something can be. Well - nothing more scary for a homophobe than an alien ass-flower snake slithering about in your suit wanting to tear through your underpants. I guess the mouth thing is much more subtle, even if it is on screen rather than the thought of the latter.
[btw thank goodness for urbandictionary.com, I had no idea what rule 34 was before this.]
Quote from: Space Sweeper on May 16, 2012, 03:08:35 AM
Thank god I'm not the only one. He's got a really nice swagger to him, like he just wakes up in the morning, gets a cup of coffee, goes to the bridge and gets right to work; just another day.
Yeah - swag is the word. He is the kind of guy that just goes about his business and makes sure everything is done right - and won't lose his head when shit hits the fan. The guy you want on this kind of trip - a leader and a man of action. I know that Skerritt was just the pilot of a truckship, but he still doesn't have anything on Elba's character. He's just got more charisma, more swag, more suave, and he sure won't let something get the best of him in an air shaft.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 03:21:16 AM
Quote from: RustiSwordz on May 16, 2012, 03:13:28 AM
Well we now know one thing.
Spoiler
Its clear Fi- sorry Milburn says 'its in my suit' and not 'its in my throat!' How can you talk with a Xenodongolike that in yer gullet!!
Also - anybody over 80 who saw this trailer isn't going to buy a ticket.
LOL lucky for us Riddles is only 74 then!! ;) ;D
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 03:21:16 AM
He is the kind of guy that just goes about his business and makes sure everything is done right - and won't lose his head when shit hits the fan. The guy you want on this kind of trip - a leader and a man of action. I know that Skerritt was just the pilot of a truckship, but he still doesn't have anything on Elba's character. He's just got more charisma, more swag, more suave, and he sure won't let something get the best of him in an air shaft.
I always loved Dallas, but like all the crew of the
Nostromo he seemed pretty beaten down by life; at least, that's how I take it as I watch it now, especially when he just shrugs off Ripley's argument before they leave LV-426. "Do what they tell you to do." This opinion is particularly colored by having read his and the other crew bios which were on the BluRay, supposedly from Ridley's original notes - where Dallas had been a decorated war veteran who was dishonorably discharged after a wartime disaster, and then eventually ended up at Weyland-Yutani.
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 16, 2012, 03:48:17 AM
supposedly from Ridley's original notes - where Dallas had been a decorated war veteran who was dishonorably discharged after a wartime disaster, and then eventually ended up at Weyland-Yutani.
yeah Dallas was a great character too - no doubt. I did read that when asked about the question whether Janek wasn't just another Dallas Elba or Scott said "No" with the main difference being that Janek has a military background.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 03:21:16 AMWell - nothing more scary for a homophobe than an alien ass-flower snake slithering about in your suit wanting to tear through your underpants.
Spoiler
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Scary for pretty much anyone with an asshole I would say, homophobe or no.
Actually for me the real terror is the idea of being trapped in your suit. You can't get out of it otherwise you decompress or die from the environment, and you can't get at the thing attacking you. Having it in your helmet and not being able to grab at it is just horrifying.
This movie is going to be so f**king gross
I can't wait
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 04:00:53 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on May 16, 2012, 03:48:17 AM
supposedly from Ridley's original notes - where Dallas had been a decorated war veteran who was dishonorably discharged after a wartime disaster, and then eventually ended up at Weyland-Yutani.
yeah Dallas was a great character too - no doubt. I did read that when asked about the question whether Janek wasn't just another Dallas Elba or Scott said "No" with the main difference being that Janek has a military background.
Well, it's been ages since those bios were written, I imagine they're long-forgotten, and they may not have been Scott's after all, or he just may not bother to recall, as it's really just fannish minutiae that has no bearing on the films. But certainly Janek seems a bit more chipper about his job (the Christmas tree, etc) than Dallas did his.
Mind, he's captaining a top of the line, high-profile exploratory mission, so it's likely Janek's life and career have turned out much better for him than Dallas's did - from dishonorable discharge to working on a beat-up tug that may pre-date
Prometheus. You can easily fanwank it to say it's two ex-military men, one stout-hearted, one beaten and disillusioned.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 04:09:34 AM
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 03:21:16 AMWell - nothing more scary for a homophobe than an alien ass-flower snake slithering about in your suit wanting to tear through your underpants.
Spoiler
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LOL I can just imagine that being Jacky's reaction in the theater.
And yeah - that must be God awful - to have something so close to you and be helpless about it. I got that feeling from the acid face melt. You got acid all over your face but you can't even try to get it off because of the glass.
I won't deny that Dallas had such a background - and since it was in Alien or linked to it, it may as well as be considered as part of Ridley Canon. I also get that Dallas has gone through a hypersleep cycle too many and is just downbeat about another mining haul. I will say I was too strong in my treatment of Dallas vs. Janek. They are both great characters.
It still begs the question nevertheless, even with Dallas's military background. Is he down trodden about his job or does he really just not have the leadership and the damn to give about the whole situation to begin with? For me - impossible to tell. I won't argue that - I think it is just too vague. i.e. He says do what the company tells you to do can stem either from the fact that he is worn down and disillusioned as you say, or that he simply lacks the ability to take initiative.
Oh, I'm not saying those dossiers are definitely canon. I take them as such because they seem legit, but it's really anyone's call, not that they have much bearing on anything unless you want them to.
I think Dallas just seems worn down. He doesn't seem like a weak man, per se; he's just been on the job too long and, as he tells Ripley, wants to get the hell out of there, and not just off the planet. He also appeared to have a longstanding professional relationship with Kane - or maybe I'm misremembering some point from the novelization years ago, that may be bullshit - and broke quarantine and was lax on the rules to let him back in. Janek, we can't really say what kind of character he is beyond a few inferences from the actor and what we've seen - focused on the job, prestigious assignment, and lighthearted enough to install a Christmas tree onboard.
holy sh!t.
The creature fighting with Shaw is the mutated holloway & some of the crew are infected by these new bio form snakehuggers & jelly squid style f**kers i have a strong feeling that also one of the crew members becomes the space jockey. Thats my theory.
Not holloway,Think the jockey is just burned on his face and arms.
Looks ok.
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Not looking so good.
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SPACE JOCKEY DANCE PARTY GO
UNTZUNTZUNTZ
Quote from: modprecar on May 16, 2012, 06:23:44 AM
The creature fighting with Shaw is the mutated holloway & some of the crew are infected by these new bio form snakehuggers & jelly squid style f**kers i have a strong feeling that also one of the crew members becomes the space jockey. Thats my theory.
That really sounds like the best theory to me. Holloway is too important to simply die. Plus - they never show what happens to him other than that he is infected. I doubt he simply becomes mutated and gets flamethrowered.
Plus - he is the one who has been described as someone who wants to stand next to his gods, and has a leap before you look philosophy. He could have self infected, or became infected. That and I am guessing he eventually stole one of the jockey suits. That and he could also have been burned at some point.
Quote from: Effectz on May 16, 2012, 06:26:55 AM
Not holloway,Think the jockey is just burned on his face and arms.
Looks ok.
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Not looking so good.
http://i.imgur.com/IZzUh.gif
Holloway could have mutated into a Jockey while being infected / wearing their suit. The second part could be him after the Juggernaut crash. That or a flamethrower.
Quote from: Effectz on May 16, 2012, 06:26:55 AM
Not holloway,Think the jockey is just burned on his face and arms.
Looks ok.
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Not looking so good.
http://i.imgur.com/IZzUh.gif
Those scenes are placed one after another. In upper gif jockey is ok, and he tires to get through the door. In lower one he is deformed and you can see flame burning in background doors? Coincidence? Don`t think so. He was probably burned while trying to get through, that`s why he`s so pissed.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 04:09:34 AM
Actually for me the real terror is the idea of being trapped in your suit. You can't get out of it otherwise you decompress or die from the environment, and you can't get at the thing attacking you. Having it in your helmet and not being able to grab at it is just horrifying.
Was pretty much done, way back in films like '
Evolution', albeit for comedy value. :)
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 16, 2012, 08:18:17 AMWas pretty much done, way back in films like 'Evolution', albeit for comedy value. :)
Oh man you just took me back... Gonna dust off the old DVD now. Pisser. ;)
What's wrong with doing it here, though? It's still a terrifying concept, that kind of violation you can't escape.
Quote from: modprecar on May 16, 2012, 06:23:44 AM
The creature fighting with Shaw is the mutated holloway & some of the crew are infected by these new bio form snakehuggers & jelly squid style f**kers i have a strong feeling that also one of the crew members becomes the space jockey. Thats my theory.
Yeah I would also agree Holloway is more important now. Some other things I would add is I think Holloway is transforming into this biomechaniod, that it's not actually a suite we're seeing but all part of whatever he's becoming. In my opinion, the suite is what we saw in the corridors of the Jockey's waystation, the same thing that protects the Jockey in the chair. Meanwhile the Hammerpede does it's thing going from person to person, causing the crew to literally turn on each, which creates a distraction enough for Weyland to get what he thinks can save him. I also think it's these Hammerpede's which the Jockey's created that also caused them to leave and that there are lots of them. But it's the mysterious infection Holloway picked up that Weyland is really after, something that was really in that black ooze but he thinks it's related to the pilots suite, and just when he's about to find out how wrong he is Holloway shows up. ... just a thought anyway.
This last TV spot is..., highly spoilerish...
Quote from: uoh11odV on May 15, 2012, 01:39:41 PM
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 15, 2012, 01:08:33 PM
lol where do you see a pinnochio-like nose?
The alien being in the last two pictures you posted has a weird Pinnochio-like nose (the one get flamethrowered.
Spoiler
I'm sure there was a person that mentioned this a while ago when discussing how they had seen the movie. Anyone else remember?
The alien in question:
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So, the 'pinochio' nose may well evolve into a retractable tongue :o
This is the screenshot that's realy got me excited, fingers crossed they don't totaly torch all the mutated humans and one of them fully evolves !
It must mean old grampy Weyland is really...Geppetto..? ???
I'm not sure how to put this or if this is even right, but after thinking about it for a while, I think the pieces are starting to fit. In the TED talk, Weyland (Guy Pearce) talks about Prometheus the Titan giving us the gift of fire and his resulting punishment, which is him having his belly ripped open over and over. Doesn't it sound like maybe Holloway (Logan Marshall Green) might be the mutated character, and that he is being punished for giving us a "gift," which may be giving the Weyland Corporation bio-technology, whether on purpose or inadvertently? I can't say for sure what his punishment is, but I suspect that it is mutating into that state and perhaps existing as a host for the "hammerpede" or some other creature, only to have his belly ripped open later. Perhaps Shaw (Noomi Rapace) is the culpable one, since you can very clearly see that something is on her stomach in many of the videos that we've seen. Both she and Holloway seem to be the ones that discovered this "star map" after all. One this is clear, and that's that both of them seem to be "punished" in one form or another (Shaw being raped [seemingly] and impregnated, while Logan Marshall Green is clearly infected). Maybe that's what these engineers' fates is; being host to the other aliens that they find on Zeta 2 Reticuli, only to be ripped open later. Ridley also mentions an evolutionary aspect, as well as various life forms (biomechanical and otherwise), which very well could be the jockey. I'm not so sure that what we see is a "suit" either, since it somewhat resembles the aliens which we know all too well by now. I'm interested to hear any points supporting my ideas as well as any counterpoints you might have. What are your thoughts?
I think it's funny that everyone is trying to piece the story together...
It seems all the footage we have seen has been cut into a jumbled order so you can really set up a specific timeline. We have gotten little pieces of information and the rest is huge speculation. Ridley has made comments that this isn't a prequelm that there aren't xenos, etc. He may be telling the truth or he may be telling lies, and why wouldn't he... the whole point is for the story to be a surprise.
I won't speculate at this point beyond discussing specific scenes and what they might mean, and even that especially on the forum takes off in weird truly "out there" directions.
Milburn snake scene: NOM NOM NOM... ;D
Had to be said didn't it! ;)
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 16, 2012, 01:31:48 PMI think it's funny that everyone is trying to piece the story together...
It's been tampered with by Damon Lindelof...
there ain't no story. ;)
Quote from: ryanjayhawk on May 16, 2012, 01:31:48 PM
I think it's funny that everyone is trying to piece the story together...
It seems all the footage we have seen has been cut into a jumbled order so you can really set up a specific timeline. We have gotten little pieces of information and the rest is huge speculation. Ridley has made comments that this isn't a prequelm that there aren't xenos, etc. He may be telling the truth or he may be telling lies, and why wouldn't he... the whole point is for the story to be a surprise.
I won't speculate at this point beyond discussing specific scenes and what they might mean, and even that especially on the forum takes off in weird truly "out there" directions.
FOX Trailer Crew: "
Let's cut up all the sequences and not give enough info so that no one could possibly figure out the story line."
AVPGalaxy Forums: "
Challenge Accepted."
Was it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
Was it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
They're ... "uncivilisied." I'll let you know June 1st :P
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
Was it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
How would you feel to wake up with strangers in your house, stealing your stuff?
I'd be pretty ******* pissed personally!
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 16, 2012, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
Was it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
How would you feel to wake up with strangers in your house, stealing your stuff?
I'd be pretty ******* pissed personally!
lol
i can understand that... but i think he/they are pissed because those humans made the first move of (an attack) i would see them as a threat if they blew up my ship.
so i'll kill them all.
Quote from: x-M-x on May 16, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
so i'll kill them all.
Honestly, we have no idea who attacks who first.
Spoiler
There's the shot with Ford and extra-man behind her standing in terror as Engineer approachs.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 16, 2012, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
Was it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
How would you feel to wake up with strangers in your house, stealing your stuff?
I'd be pretty ******* pissed personally!
Well assuming that he has done nothing significant to prevent those strangers to his house in the first place...
I don't see why he would be pissed to see strangers, who have supposedly be invited, in his house.
Now if those strangers attack him while having been kindly welcomed...
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
Was it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
Spoiler
I guess he had a plan for the humans... like shaw getting pregnant and stuff... maybe that was under his control before and isn't anymore towards the end of the movie... hence he has to "help" to enforce the course of things...
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 04:09:34 AM
Actually for me the real terror is the idea of being trapped in your suit. You can't get out of it otherwise you decompress or die from the environment, and you can't get at the thing attacking you. Having it in your helmet and not being able to grab at it is just horrifying.
You could always bite it. Oops, maybe not.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 16, 2012, 02:49:59 PM
FOX Trailer Crew: "Let's cut up all the sequences and not give enough info so that no one could possibly figure out the story line."
AVPGalaxy Forums: "Challenge Accepted."
LOL. ;D
There may be a good reason for the size difference of the original jockey compared to this new one. I doubt Ridley would overlook such a huge detail, especially when the jockeys seat is obviously too big for this smaller Engineer. Maybe the Engineer grows in size... maybe the Jockey and the Engineer are two different characters with different roles... maybe the Engineer is a mutated human, much different than the Jockey??
My point is:
There are too many maybe's... JUST CHILL OUT and wait for the film! Theres no sense in building this up when the movie is only weeks away from being release. I swear, I feel that some of you go out of your way to ruin these movies for yourselves.
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PMWas it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
Who's been eating MY porridge! ;D
:laugh:
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 11:40:38 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PMWas it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
Who's been eating MY porridge! ;D
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God damn-it Holloway!!!
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 17, 2012, 12:48:15 AM
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 16, 2012, 11:40:38 PM
Quote from: mastermoon on May 16, 2012, 03:41:36 PMWas it confirmed why the Space Jockey is attacking the characters?.
Who's been eating MY porridge! ;D
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God damn-it Holloway!!!
Ha! Nice one. ;D
Why don't you chill out. If you don't like it, then you're in the wrong forum because this is what the site's all about. Why would you be in a site full of potential spoilers put here to give us hints if you don't like that? For some of us, that's a bit part of the fun. I grew up with these franchises and have quite a bit of paraphernalia from the Alien and Predator movies. Just let us have our fun without getting your panties in a bunch. Lest there be a hammerpede in your britches.
Quote from: Anunnaki on May 16, 2012, 11:17:21 PM
There may be a good reason for the size difference of the original jockey compared to this new one. I doubt Ridley would overlook such a huge detail, especially when the jockeys seat is obviously too big for this smaller Engineer. Maybe the Engineer grows in size... maybe the Jockey and the Engineer are two different characters with different roles... maybe the Engineer is a mutated human, much different than the Jockey??
My point is:
There are too many maybe's... JUST CHILL OUT and wait for the film! Theres no sense in building this up when the movie is only weeks away from being release. I swear, I feel that some of you go out of your way to ruin these movies for yourselves.
About Milburn and his erm ... forced oral introduction to what it means to be 'Okay' on this planet ...
Spoiler
The Hammerpede it's called. I always assumed it was hammer (because if it's crest shape) and pede as in Centipede or Millipede.
But that gif has me thinking it's pede as in: (As Urban Dictionary explains it)
1. pede
French slang for homosexual. Comes from the word Pederaste (a man who has sexual relations with a boy), and is considered derogatory
Or
7. pede
A pedophile, or someone who poses as a child online to hunt down and rape little children.
Quote from: Effectz on May 16, 2012, 06:26:55 AM
Not holloway,Think the jockey is just burned on his face and arms.
Looks ok.
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Not looking so good.
http://i.imgur.com/IZzUh.gif
Is that a boom mike on the first giff?
Quote from: bobcunk on May 17, 2012, 02:53:03 AMIs that a boom mike on the first giff?
Unless he is talking to himself or humming a merry tune of rape and murder, then it probably isn't a boom mic. ;)
I haven't clicked the link so I'm not sure if it this is new. Thanks to Denis for the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs#ws)
Oh lord ::) :P
Nope, nothing new. Maybe a clearer shot of the cobra-hugger jumping out of the corpse.
Quote from: ikarop on May 17, 2012, 07:08:35 PM
I haven't clicked the link so I'm not sure if it this is new. Thanks to Denis for the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs#ws)
It is worth checking out though - not that anything here is ground breaking. Some cleaner shots, and some old shots are extended for half a sec or so.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 17, 2012, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: ikarop on May 17, 2012, 07:08:35 PM
I haven't clicked the link so I'm not sure if it this is new. Thanks to Denis for the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKh5AzGhKs#ws)
It is worth checking out though - not that anything here is ground breaking. Some cleaner shots, and some old shots are extended for half a sec or so.
yeah. also it seems that light beer played an important part in the Engineers culture. maybe that's the link to ALIEN? the derelict crashed because the pilot was drunk?
...ok im going to stop now ;)
Someone make a gif of the thing shooting out the guys mouth?? Geez man how cool is this shit??!!
Bri :o
Just saw a new tv spot however the only new thing is that shaw explains to the crew during the briefing that they called the large beings engineers and the reason is because they engineered mankind.
Quote from: whiterabbit on May 18, 2012, 06:34:23 AMJust saw a new tv spot however the only new thing is that shaw explains to the crew during the briefing that they called the large beings engineers and the reason is because they engineered mankind.
She
thinks that they engineered mankind. She is known to be wrong from time to time. ;)
The jockey seems to have a severe case of OCD in this animated gif. lol
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FN6nWe.gif&hash=9d3a2ecdfc757e3a96fb8c8d17914ebdfc9cb687)
New mouth creature screencaps:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic1.jpg&hash=1f01c37defbc18178f444f718e00317f30f0d020)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic7.jpg&hash=abb1c19a26f0fa074e3b11bdf0f10556cf9260c4)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic3.jpg&hash=51f30dbbc575fb196371a7bb9ae6bae95cddaf3c)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic2.jpg&hash=c3c91339fbe1b0c7cf09e7f9cbc8817ef46e1029)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic4.jpg&hash=c47f7ac91e1c1dd21a3577e914391308b57cb932)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic5.jpg&hash=f02de5e458dcdae20f78ac7365defc6a561514d0)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic6.jpg&hash=d41b98e94076cb82f28ff31e5156ae387176dbd6)
Good Lord what the hell is that.
Is it the CobraHugger?
It doesn't quite look like it. Then again it goes by fast as hell!
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 18, 2012, 07:42:26 AM
Good Lord what the hell is that.
Is it the CobraHugger?
It doesn't quite look like it. Then again it goes by fast as hell!
From the beer commercial. It's whatever the cobra thing lays in milburn's throat. I take it, it's the "hammerpede" as named in the soundtrack title. You can kind of see little centipede type legs in the last two pictures of it exiting his mouth.
Quote from: Ballzanya on May 18, 2012, 07:49:42 AM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 18, 2012, 07:42:26 AM
Good Lord what the hell is that.
Is it the CobraHugger?
It doesn't quite look like it. Then again it goes by fast as hell!
From the beer commercial. It's whatever the cobra thing lays in milburn's throat. I take it, it's the "hammerpede" as named in the soundtrack title. You can kind of see little centipede type legs in the last two pictures of it exiting his mouth.
I recognized where it came from, but man... if that's the hammerpede than ewwww. Gross.
Kinda reminds me of the chestburster from Giger's Alien Life Cycle Mural:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1136.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn484%2FThunderOdin25%2Fgiger.jpg&hash=74abd87527fadfbfb10b522916137a6f10c9beab)
Notice the mandibles on the top, the smooth look to it that isn't anything like the Chestburster in Alien.
It's possible that it looks different in this shot(Speculation imminent) on his mural because it might be bursting from a Space Jockey.
Now if you look at the freeze frame, it almost looks like it has 4 mandibles like on the mural.
Ergo, the Hammerpede(if that is what that is) may have been inspired by the weird looking Giger Mural chestburster that has 4 insect like mandibles.
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 18, 2012, 08:01:20 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on May 18, 2012, 07:49:42 AM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 18, 2012, 07:42:26 AM
Good Lord what the hell is that.
Is it the CobraHugger?
It doesn't quite look like it. Then again it goes by fast as hell!
From the beer commercial. It's whatever the cobra thing lays in milburn's throat. I take it, it's the "hammerpede" as named in the soundtrack title. You can kind of see little centipede type legs in the last two pictures of it exiting his mouth.
I recognized where it came from, but man... if that's the hammerpede than ewwww. Gross.
Kinda reminds me of the chestburster from Giger's Alien Life Cycle Mural:
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n484/ThunderOdin25/giger.jpg
Notice the mandibles on the top, the smooth look to it that isn't anything like the Chestburster in Alien.
It's possible that it looks different in this shot(Speculation imminent) on his mural because it might be bursting from a Space Jockey.
Now if you look at the freeze frame, it almost looks like it has 4 mandibles like on the mural.
Ergo, the Hammerpede(if that is what that is) may have been inspired by the weird looking Giger Mural chestburster that has 4 insect like mandibles.
four mandibles??? sounds like
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcollider.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FPredators-movie-image-210.jpg&hash=2b9022145cdabe15dd5cda26a13859f800903cb3)
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 18, 2012, 08:01:20 AMNotice the mandibles on the top, the smooth look to it that isn't anything like the Chestburster in Alien.
Giger didn't directly design the chestburster that ended up on screen, and probably a good thing too... enter
The Turkey Burster!...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shadowlocked.com%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fpics%2Falien_giger%2Fhr_giger_chestburster.jpg&hash=90c2e4e9a888087e94d7c5ff7e64cb359c6f72e7)
:o :laugh:
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 18, 2012, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 18, 2012, 08:01:20 AMNotice the mandibles on the top, the smooth look to it that isn't anything like the Chestburster in Alien.
Giger didn't directly design the chestburster that ended up on screen, and probably a good thing too... enter The Turkey Burster!...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shadowlocked.com%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fpics%2Falien_giger%2Fhr_giger_chestburster.jpg&hash=90c2e4e9a888087e94d7c5ff7e64cb359c6f72e7)
:o :laugh:
Yeah - I've read about this - but never have actually seen it. Ppl were right - it would have been ridiculous.
Giger didn't like it either. He built his own prototype buster:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg425%2Fmrmagoo6%2Fpicture0102.jpg&hash=34f982c784176023e58e16733347f0cad95fa57f)
Quote from: Valaquen on May 18, 2012, 12:02:37 PM
Giger didn't like it either. He built his own prototype buster:
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g425/mrmagoo6/picture0102.jpg
Oh shit, are they...
molars!? How many puppies did he murder to make this abomination!? ;D
I think it's superior to the screen version. Much more brutal.
The head is pretty much the adult Alien's tongue. They went for a more penis like version, like the adult creature. He apparently made a translucent facehugger but as far as I know it's never been seen. Fox stopped him from working on it because there was a big worry that they wouldn't have the adult Alien finished in time.
It can't be ignored.. the top of that model still looks like a roast chicken.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 18, 2012, 12:21:16 PM
The head is pretty much the adult Alien's tongue. They went for a more penis like version, like the adult creature. He apparently made a translucent facehugger but as far as I know it's never been seen. Fox stopped him from working on it because there was a big worry that they wouldn't have the adult Alien finished in time.
...plus while Gigar was working on this and the hugger, neither of which was going down well, no one bothered to tell him another guy (Roger Dicken) had been brought in to finish the designs. Like the gent that he is he took it on the chin when he found out, and completing the Xeno was more important I guess he realised, but you can tell from his interview on the Quadrilogy he was rather pissed over the whole episode.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 18, 2012, 12:02:37 PM
Giger didn't like it either. He built his own prototype buster:
O'Bannon liked it very much though
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 18, 2012, 09:50:08 AM
Quote from: RoyaleDuke on May 18, 2012, 08:01:20 AMNotice the mandibles on the top, the smooth look to it that isn't anything like the Chestburster in Alien.
Giger didn't directly design the chestburster that ended up on screen, and probably a good thing too... enter The Turkey Burster!...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shadowlocked.com%2Fimages%2Fstories%2Fpics%2Falien_giger%2Fhr_giger_chestburster.jpg&hash=90c2e4e9a888087e94d7c5ff7e64cb359c6f72e7)
:o :laugh:
Wow, that's really for real?
My god good thing they didn't go with that LOL.
Quote from: RoaryUK on May 18, 2012, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on May 18, 2012, 12:21:16 PM
The head is pretty much the adult Alien's tongue. They went for a more penis like version, like the adult creature. He apparently made a translucent facehugger but as far as I know it's never been seen. Fox stopped him from working on it because there was a big worry that they wouldn't have the adult Alien finished in time.
...plus while Gigar was working on this and the hugger, neither of which was going down well, no one bothered to tell him another guy (Roger Dicken) had been brought in to finish the designs. Like the gent that he is he took it on the chin when he found out, and completing the Xeno was more important I guess he realised, but you can tell from his interview on the Quadrilogy he was rather pissed over the whole episode.
Wow, I never knew any of this. Thank you for the insight, absolutely fascinating.
Quote from: Ballzanya on May 18, 2012, 06:59:52 AM
The jockey seems to have a severe case of OCD in this animated gif. lol
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FN6nWe.gif&hash=9d3a2ecdfc757e3a96fb8c8d17914ebdfc9cb687)
New mouth creature screencaps:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic1.jpg&hash=1f01c37defbc18178f444f718e00317f30f0d020)
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic7.jpg
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic3.jpg
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http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic4.jpg
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic5.jpg
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic6.jpg
A new facehugger?
An old facehugger?
EWW
WHAT THE FRAK IS COMING OUT OF HER BODY ?
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-kPUdcrs0rt4%2FT2X_bndNOcI%2FAAAAAAAAAUU%2Fa_YujKxSczk%2Fs1600%2Falien_tendrils.jpg&hash=cc68d7263e6041073501280a50f3dcab69f02164)
"A woman's worst nightmare".
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 19, 2012, 06:02:59 AM
"A woman's worst nightmare".
A facehugger baby? :D
Joking, I have no clue what a woman's worst nightmare is.
Or whatever the hell they are pulling out of her, not to mention Mr.Tubesnakehugger thing that shoots out of that dudes mouth. WHAT IS IT DEAR GOD.
One thing I hope we get to see more of is the inside of the Jockey ships, such fascinating ships I have a strange desire to see what else is inside it, and the design of other rooms and such.
Quote from: r888 on May 19, 2012, 05:33:53 AM
Quote from: Ballzanya on May 18, 2012, 06:59:52 AM
The jockey seems to have a severe case of OCD in this animated gif. lol
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FN6nWe.gif&hash=9d3a2ecdfc757e3a96fb8c8d17914ebdfc9cb687)
New mouth creature screencaps:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constantthreat.net%2Fothershit%2Fnewpic1.jpg&hash=1f01c37defbc18178f444f718e00317f30f0d020)
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic7.jpg
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic3.jpg
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http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic4.jpg
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic5.jpg
http://www.constantthreat.net/othershit/newpic6.jpg
A new facehugger?
it's the cobrahugger, covered in blood
Shaw is engeneer's mother? ???
New trailer with I believe one new scene? It is the Prometheus taking off from LV-223.
That and the music is a bit different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIJeQNyZ6VE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIJeQNyZ6VE#ws)
Nope. It's the 3 minute trailer that premiered on UK TV last month.
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 04:13:59 AM
Nope. It's the 3 minute trailer that premiered on UK TV last month.
Yes it is. SOrry :-[
It's okay, I forgive you. Even with that set of yours. :P
Is this one new?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQoYwDF8faE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQoYwDF8faE#ws)
Looks like there might be half a second of new stuff there.
That's fan made ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on May 20, 2012, 06:01:48 AM
That's fan made ;)
Postd wrong link - I updated. Still - it is not worth it.
There is a new YV spot out there on Adult Swim showing HUGE spoilers. I think Chris Patchi posted it.
Reveals more of the mission briefing clip, and another creature.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 20, 2012, 06:04:46 AM
Postd wrong link - I updated. Still - it is not worth it.
PRO-MEE-TAYZ! :laugh:
Yup, some new stuff in there.
music from TV Spot 9 ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDfLUNnQJJ0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDfLUNnQJJ0#ws)
i wish i was familiar with audio editing software to mix it to sound like in the trailer
I just want to make sure i'm not going crazy... All those dudes in the picture for that video look like Hitler. Save for the skeleton king up front.
That's just plain bizarre.
...golfclap...
They've started running tv-spots here now - no additional footage, but Shaw did say a line I can't remember hearing before - and just while I wrote this, I forgot what the line was... :'( :P >:(
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 20, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
I just want to make sure i'm not going crazy... All those dudes in the picture for that video look like Hitler. Save for the skeleton king up front.
That's just plain bizarre.
The guy in the front looks like Taskmaster.
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 20, 2012, 02:21:13 PM
music from TV Spot 9 ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDfLUNnQJJ0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDfLUNnQJJ0#ws)
i wish i was familiar with audio editing software to mix it to sound like in the trailer
Wow. Sorry but to me that is about as ill fitting of music as you can get for this movie.
Quote from: Eva on May 20, 2012, 08:49:46 PM
They've started running tv-spots here now - no additional footage, but Shaw did say a line I can't remember hearing before - and just while I wrote this, I forgot what the line was... :'( :P >:(
"We call them engineers....they engineered us"?
Quote from: Ooze on First on May 19, 2012, 06:02:59 AM
"A woman's worst nightmare".
kitchen,cooking,mopping,shopping food,cleaning
^ You clearly mixed up a womans worst nightmare with a mans ;)
Quote from: KidneyScott on May 21, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
"We call them engineers....they engineered us"?
Nah, it wasn't that line. She said it when she was in medlab after collapsing (presumably) just after she delivers the 'we were so wrong' line. Same camera angle.. Nevermind... it's just a tiny detail... :)
Quote from: Eva on May 21, 2012, 09:08:36 PM
^ You clearly mixed up a womans worst nightmare with a mans ;)
you ALWAYS find me, dont you? ::) :P
Quote from: Eva on May 21, 2012, 09:08:36 PM
^ You clearly mixed up a womans worst nightmare with a mans ;)
Quote from: KidneyScott on May 21, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
"We call them engineers....they engineered us"?
Nah, it wasn't that line. She said it when she was in medlab after collapsing (presumably) just after she delivers the 'we were so wrong' line. Same camera angle.. Nevermind... it's just a tiny detail... :)
'they're not what we thought they were' ?
or something like that...
Quote from: VickersAsh on May 21, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 21, 2012, 09:08:36 PM
^ You clearly mixed up a womans worst nightmare with a mans ;)
Quote from: KidneyScott on May 21, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
"We call them engineers....they engineered us"?
Nah, it wasn't that line. She said it when she was in medlab after collapsing (presumably) just after she delivers the 'we were so wrong' line. Same camera angle.. Nevermind... it's just a tiny detail... :)
'they're not what we thought they were' ?
or something like that...
again if that is the case, why all the signs and why dint they killed us thousends of years ago when they were on Earth??
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 09:22:44 PM
you ALWAYS find me, dont you? ::) :P
You say that like it's such a bad thing.
Quote from: OpenMaw on May 21, 2012, 09:30:58 PM
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 09:22:44 PM
you ALWAYS find me, dont you? ::) :P
You say that like it's such a bad thing.
'cause im scared of girls
Quote from: szkoki on May 21, 2012, 09:40:38 PM
'cause im scared of girls
Me too.
Me too. :)
Roller coasters, man. Roller coasters. :)
A new HD trailer. Nothing new in it though.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6dsIrPq-g#ws%5B/url)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP89o7HEwdA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP89o7HEwdA#ws)
Qwertify, that's another fan trailer. You've gotta check these things. :P
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi7.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy256%2FBlackura67%2Fvlcsnap-2012-05-22-07h01m30s196.png&hash=4e735ef1b865fa64006021689ce3e780b2cef10c)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi7.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy256%2FBlackura67%2Fvlcsnap-2012-05-22-07h03m02s108.png&hash=9ea0510f092d4396fa6b8963666a1ec3414a3c6b)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi7.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy256%2FBlackura67%2Fvlcsnap-2012-05-22-07h01m39s57.png&hash=a51d1a7053bc86852d362ce2bb0e410a956fd9de)
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi7.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy256%2FBlackura67%2Fvlcsnap-2012-05-22-07h02m02s205.png&hash=9cfbd39228c6a42378caeebb156bc912adc6630e)
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Quote from: VickersAsh on May 21, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
Quote from: Eva on May 21, 2012, 09:08:36 PM
^ You clearly mixed up a womans worst nightmare with a mans ;)
Quote from: KidneyScott on May 21, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
"We call them engineers....they engineered us"?
Nah, it wasn't that line. She said it when she was in medlab after collapsing (presumably) just after she delivers the 'we were so wrong' line. Same camera angle.. Nevermind... it's just a tiny detail... :)
'they're not what we thought they were' ?
or something like that...
That
could be but I'll be damned if I can remember... :-\
Quote from: Qwertify on May 22, 2012, 05:19:56 AM
A new HD trailer. Nothing new in it though.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6dsIrPq-g#ws%5B/url)
out of nowhere ...i want some chinese food...dont ask why
It aired with Modern Family just a minute ago...no link yet....some new dialogue....good stuff.
found this new featurette over at www.prometheusforum.net (http://www.prometheusforum.net)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2fo7EXMiA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2fo7EXMiA#ws)
couple of new, extended shots
Quote from: cragdoo on May 24, 2012, 11:16:14 AM
found this new featurette over at www.prometheusforum.net (http://www.prometheusforum.net)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2fo7EXMiA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2fo7EXMiA#ws)
couple of new, extended shots
Thanks, that was great! Pity about the quality although I'm sure we will get it in HD soon enough.
That escape pod clip looks great but I can't imagine that to be a very comfortable landing. :o Then again, it is cushioned inside.
Quote from: Vickers on May 24, 2012, 11:26:57 AM
Quote from: cragdoo on May 24, 2012, 11:16:14 AM
found this new featurette over at www.prometheusforum.net (http://www.prometheusforum.net)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2fo7EXMiA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu2fo7EXMiA#ws)
couple of new, extended shots
Thanks, that was great! Pity about the quality although I'm sure we will get it in HD soon enough.
That escape pod clip looks great but I can't imagine that to be a very comfortable landing. :o Then again, it is cushioned inside.
It's supposed to contain 1080p , but I just checked it and it's definitely not.
Quote from: Qwertify on May 22, 2012, 05:34:24 AM
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Same valley?
;D
Portuguese TV Spot. No new shots but some minor alternative dialogue, I believe.
http://vimeo.com/42780520 (http://vimeo.com/42780520)
Quote from: Darkness on May 24, 2012, 05:21:05 PMPortuguese TV Spot. No new shots but some minor alternative dialogue, I believe.http://vimeo.com/42780520 (http://vimeo.com/42780520)
Ooh that's a good one.
Twitter seems to indicate that there was an absurd commercial for Prometheus that featured Stephan A. Smith of ESPN during tonights NBA game. I'm sure it'll make its way online, but even if it does, it's probably entirely pointless.
New TV Spot is out:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr6tmr_www-avpgalaxy-net_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr6tmr_www-avpgalaxy-net_shortfilms)
Contains new dialogue, specifically calling them Engineers.
they say "one woman (shaw) blahblah"
and everyone wants to stop her... hey we didn't know this... or at least me
Quote from: Darkness on May 29, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
New TV Spot is out:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr6tmr_www-avpgalaxy-net_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr6tmr_www-avpgalaxy-net_shortfilms)
Contains new dialogue, specifically calling them Engineers.
Sweet
Can anyone repost the tv spot that had this scene right here?:
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Quote from: Darkness on May 29, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
New TV Spot is out:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr6tmr_www-avpgalaxy-net_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr6tmr_www-avpgalaxy-net_shortfilms)
Contains new dialogue, specifically calling them Engineers.
Bahaha! Oh god, that's one of the worst TV spots ever produced. The voice edits are HILARIOUS.
The titles made me laugh out loud as well.
Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 01:53:16 AM
Can anyone repost the tv spot that had this scene right here?:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4fuc4z8Kj1rv71rao1_250.gif
It was the Coors beer spot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl328uaJbKo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl328uaJbKo#ws)
Don't see it in this one.
Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 02:35:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl328uaJbKo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl328uaJbKo#ws)
Don't see it in this one.
Whoa! they changed it few days ago.
Maybe it was a little too much for a beer commercial.
Quote from: LarsVader on May 30, 2012, 09:24:33 AM
Quote from: JaaayDee on May 30, 2012, 02:35:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl328uaJbKo#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl328uaJbKo#ws)
Don't see it in this one.
Whoa! they changed it few days ago.
Maybe it was a little too much for a beer commercial.
Don't know about you but it's a bad idea to mix mouth horror with something you drink, amiright? 8)
Just saw a awesome new TV spot on HistoryHD. It is a quick spot with the sound of someone playing "twinkle twinkle little star" while showing a few clips and one new clip of the engineer coming out of the sarcophagus. It was really creepy and gave me chills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KIgNinx_G_U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KIgNinx_G_U#)
Badass!!!!
It must have taken a lot of time!
Wow that may be the coolest thing I have ever seen.
Quote from: Alienhunter15 on Jun 05, 2012, 12:45:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KIgNinx_G_U# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KIgNinx_G_U#)
WOW! I think it will be difficult for the actual film to beat this paper trailer. That was epic.
I think it's awesome that Prometheus is and has been inspiring this kind of creativity.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 05, 2012, 02:38:49 PM
I think it's awesome that Prometheus is and has been inspiring this kind of creativity.
+1!
That blew my mind.
WOW.
That was F***ING brilliant - someone has a great future in animation!
I love the characters - I nearly blew my coffee across the room at Janek's cutout, and when Shaw and Holloway turn to one another after "an invitation". And Vickers' eyes are really close together. Oh god, bloody hilarious.
Not spots, but talk show appearances, which i did post in the Talk Show Promotion thread, but figured i'd mention them here as well...
Tonight, Tuesday, June 5th:
Noomi Rapace is guest #2 on Late Show w/ David Letterman (CBS - 11:35 PM)
Michael Fassbender is guest #1 on Late Night w/ Jimmy Fallon (NBC - 12:35 AM)
Charlize Theron is guest #1 on Conan (TBS - 11 PM & 1 AM)
Don't know how relevant these are at this point (I'm avoiding massive spoilers like the plague), but I uploaded some new tv spots that have been airing this week. Some of them have new scenes, including footage of the engineer waking up. The Deadliest Catch/Prometheus promo is a bit odd (I guess crabs do look a lot like facehuggers though). I also included a cardboard cut-out type ad that aired on Adult Swim this week (it's different than the other cut-out clip already mentioned here).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9byyqXKYQB0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9byyqXKYQB0#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jH9J0rxjt0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jH9J0rxjt0#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNdRvxzDn0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNdRvxzDn0#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZDzSoKw4Vg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZDzSoKw4Vg#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfDgd-Bv7qQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfDgd-Bv7qQ#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nda-oB8ags# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nda-oB8ags#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDPG8uPeGCA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDPG8uPeGCA#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQpa5Jv_FGg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQpa5Jv_FGg#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF15mUuZeuQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF15mUuZeuQ#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0tsG3OKpY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0tsG3OKpY#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GmtY6sYPGU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GmtY6sYPGU#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbN3IHYeLt4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbN3IHYeLt4#)
I hope at least some of those are new to those who (like me) haven't seen the movie yet. :) Also, The Soup did a funny parody of the David 8 video yesterday (can't get it to embed, sorry):
http://www.thesouptv.com/latest/new-prometheus-trailer-joel-mchale-is-just-like-michael-fassbender-in-every-way/321611 (http://www.thesouptv.com/latest/new-prometheus-trailer-joel-mchale-is-just-like-michael-fassbender-in-every-way/321611)
BEWARE OF SPOILERS
New 45 sec. HD Tv Spot avalaible at iTunes Movie Trailers.
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/ (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/prometheus/)
in wich tv spot Janek says ho ho ho?
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Jun 05, 2012, 02:38:49 PMI think it's awesome that Prometheus is and has been inspiring this kind of creativity.
Yep, the trailers are still awesome.
Quote from: szkoki on Jun 28, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
in wich tv spot Janek says ho ho ho?
You'll have to find the trailer in the thread about deleted/extended scenes by NGR01 I believe...it also has a high quality shot of your avatar too...
lets not forget the original alien trailer, which sounds like it has the similar 'scream' sound effects as the prometheus trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws)
Quote from: whatisthematrix on Jun 30, 2012, 02:56:53 PM
lets not forget the original alien trailer, which sounds like it has the similar 'scream' sound effects as the prometheus trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8#ws)
:o
No one forgot that!